Well, hello and welcome to e-fab mini super chat catch up episode two five three What was that? That's that's where we tackled the question of Ratatouille and Oh, right. Yeah, that's right. Oh, Ratatouille being good rat. Yes. Yeah, I don't think anybody questioned that Yeah, we got some messages we're gonna check out so You know no point in delay and we're just gonna jump right in more let tell us everything you know about Dragon Ball Z Please I'm afraid. I don't really know much at all about Dragon Ball Z Wow, I'm just nine two No, I don't think I will Know anything about Dragon Ball Z really Goku turns into a Super Saiyan and then he punches Frieza Yeah beats him up pick a little really really gives him.  We did it. That's most of it Yeah, Trunks has the sword The little platoon is it true you haven't watched past episode three of Arcane because to put it shortly You thought it was very good slash heavily enjoyed it, right? I Have no idea. I can't remember. Do we talk to him about that? I don't know, but he must answer for his crimes Yeah, I mean, you know as long as he gets around to it, you know when maybe when there's less going on Maybe when season two comes out and then everyone says hey, you gotta watch season one first you fool Hey, you interrupted me watching e-fap 43 so I'd appreciate if you put this on hold and any future faps until I'm caught up Gosh you guys selfish. Sorry about that Hope you've made it I mean it happens. It's okay It's all it's all power life really and if anything, you know, you can just get to him when you can You know, it's all gonna work out. Yes, you do You guys cinematic venom re-reviewed Lord the Rings and he likes it now. It's the redemption arc. I didn't think was possible Interesting. I hope it's not a Chris duckman blade runner thing and he actually does like it I was gonna say for the record. It's fine to not like Lord the Rings. It is. Yeah, it's okay Freak, but it's okay. Yes. It is very strange, but it's you're entitled fine. Yeah Um, hi rags. Hello Can you read the Scott Steiner copypasta in your skeletal voice? I never knew how badly I needed to hear your great skeletal voice again The Scott Steiner copypasta. That's what they said. Yeah, I'm not sure. I know which one that is Scott Steiner copypasta Scott Steiner math copypasta Why is this not safe? Oh, it's a price got 90 words My god Okay What's this the Scott Steiner math copy? Seven years ago. I've never even heard of this You know they say all men are created equal But you look at me and you look at Samoa Joe and you can see that statement is not true See normally if you go one-on-one. Oh, sorry the mature content thing pop. Yes. I'm over 18 Why would you do that now? Why would you do it now? Oh? They know I was doing the voice if you'd see me normally if you go one-on-one with another wrestler You got a 50-50 chance of winning But I'm a genetic freak and I'm not normal so you got a 25% at best at beat me and then you add Kurt Angle to the mix You the chances of winning drastic go down See the three-way at sacrifice you got a 33 and one-third chance of winning But I I got a 66 to a third chance of winning because Kurt Angle knows he can't beat me And he's not even gonna try so Samoa Joe You take your 33 one-third chance minus my 25% chance and you got an eight one-third chance Of winning at sacrifice, but then you take my 75% chance of winning if we was to go one-on-one and then add 66 to third percent I got a 141 two-third chance of winning at sacrifice Senior Joe the numbers don't lie and they spell disaster for you at sacrifice Wow Yeah, so I've never I've never heard of that before in my life This is from our slash copypasta from seven years ago. Oh well. Yeah, so who knows I don't not me I don't know not me. Oh Well, I think they got what they paid for so there you go.  Oh Sorry, what was the question? Sorry. I was drinking something there hot D or God of War Ragnarok Which is the better soundtrack? I find that funny. I was drinking something Working yes, pretty much. Yeah, it's basically almost desk Hit the problem is I don't remember as much of the house of the dragon soundtrack Because sometimes that just happens sometimes you just don't remember some as much as the others I will tentatively say Ragnarok, but I need to hear the house of the dragon one kind of again to be certain mm-hmm, but the Ragnarok one is stuck with me a bit longer, but I will say that Yeah, I just don't remember a lot of the house of the dragon soundtrack Maybe if I hear it again, it'll come it'll come back to me, but who knows? Yeah What did y'all think of dr. Sleep? Doom Both haven't I thought it was fine. Obviously. It's a Flanagan film So I made sure to see it it is a sequel to both the Kubrick film But an adaptation of the book from Stephen King So it's complicated in terms of something that Trying to string together two different continuity stories at once or something It's one of the most bizarre things to happen in history because it's actually um an answer to a hypothetical that I had in my head Which it comes down to all that adaptation stuff if you have three books Let's say Fellowship two towers and turn to the king and they're all beloved someone makes an adaptation of fellowship and It is not faithful But it's really good and Then you are making the sequel So to stick to either the unfaithful adaptation or the book means that you breach continuity in one way or the other That's fun, isn't it?  I Mean sure he would have said that either that or I am sticking so, you know, it's interpretations and all that stuff But anyway, I thought it was fine. I didn't have much of a thought about it I have several friends who did not like it But finally enough I was on a real BBC episode in which the guest said he loved doctor sleep as you know What it is where it sits and stuff, right? I'm not one to ask your shining's not exactly all the books even the side of it They're just not things. I'm not familiar with so I can't judge it on that way But I mean efficiently creepy and interesting in certain places I Love rata to and I also love rats. So thank you for covering this. There you go. Oh, you bet. Yeah, rats are great We love an excuse to use, you know a film that we're all about rats Yeah as a vehicle of something else like if someone's got a video that's like I have really bad modern opinions Also, I'm covering Incredibles. You're like, oh sweet. We're watching Credibles and then we'll do this nice Did you guys see Chris Reagan indirectly accused that Star Wars girl of being opposed to interracial marriage at his newest video? What is she opposed to it? No, I would put 99 percent bet on her not being against interracial marriage Yeah, that seems like that's just one of those things. It isn't true at all.  We live in so they ended that with Um jam starting with the man in the mirror. I'm asking him to change his ways God said Fortune one of the funniest quotes ever It might be it might actually be one of the funniest words ever The man we watched him. He he learned about condensation on stream. He did he did he learned about the Physical process of condensation Brags what he lived he said so water just appears out of nowhere It would be like getting explained of gravity that'd be like so stuff just goes down, okay And you're like, well, I mean you could say Really how it works. It's not that it goes down. It goes in really Mass attracts mass. What's what I'm saying is like he hasn't understood it at all He's just stood the surface level and accepted I guess it's true. It just it's dumb It kind of treats it like you were to sci-fi that's like I've got a little gun here that shoots have a happiness in the form of Fucking rays of sunshine or something usually okay fine You still considering having solar sands on to talk about art big fan of both of y'all. Yes. Good idea It's good. We did it Um Linguini didn't ask her first consent movies are two out of ten exactly He's a rapist jam a man who grew up surrounded by water and water is a liquid I grew up surrounded by water over Baggins. Yeah Oh Boa Baggins, I think if I've chat recommended red line 2009 and I watched it and it was really good Fantastic animation. Thanks. Also high rags Hello, I've never heard of red line. Maybe some maybe just not remembering it when someone brought it up, but I can't remember I'm not sure what that is Is that like some one of the manamays or probably one of they a man of morms I feel like I may have heard of it, but I've got nothing in the old memory banks Do you think the puppy in apocalypse now was permanently traumatized by being grabbed so violently poor little buddy? No, I guess for films made that long ago animal safety wasn't as prioritized It was did they like it probably meant but now I guess the flip side is more animals got work exactly I guess you got to take the good with the bad When it comes to nowadays all the animals are getting their jobs are getting replaced by CGI animals We asking That is true. Yeah, and you should be asking whether or not the people got traumatized when making apocalypse now And the answer is probably yes for several Howdy mr. Eggs Hello to you. Have you perhaps any new games to recommend to us? Perhaps also more more gobb is the remaster of DS fine or should I sniff out the OG as far as I'm aware the remaster is pretty strong So like with the right mods the original is a lot It's a whole complicated thing you'd probably want to go to the subreddits to figure out what people have figured out at This point because I haven't played them since The remaster came out so I'm not even sure exactly what place it sits in but yeah, I as far as I'm aware the remaster solid That's for game recommendations You know what we're getting to that point my I had a friend who had a birthday a couple days ago And so like there was like 13 of us I think at one point the 13 of us got on the master chief collection and we played halo Wow, and we were doing all sorts of custom games and crazy shit So if you guys haven't played halo, you should do that You should go through the campaigns of the first guess four technically well five one one two three one two three reach an ODST Yeah, which you should do three yes. Yes Go through those and play them Because they're really wonderful They're really great campaigns and the multiplayer is super fun, and we just had a blast. We had a really good time That's a really easy recommendation because you're gonna pay what like 20 30 bucks I don't think it's ever sold at full price anymore, and you get yeah, like five amazing games And then also you get a halo for Yeah, yeah, if you want to do something with it's there for you know, it comes with so yeah, you know That's neat Something to listen to while you work Simpsons writers reunion on Conan's channel. It sounds like it'd be fun Oh, that could be neat. Hey, that does sound interesting. Honestly. Yeah, I haven't seen much Simpsons But what I have seen is well, thanks Did you know that a good old Conan O'Brien was he was one of the he was in the writers room for the early? I think it's up to season three Maybe season four. He was in the writers room. I did not know that Yeah, it explains a lot doesn't it it is definitive fun fact Yes, it's only fun. That's right. That's an exclusively fun fact bonus recommendation Emily Blunt and Brian Cox They say 1v1. Maybe they mean one-on-one as in like talking to each other one-on-one discussion about the value of acting Sounds like it could be interesting I wouldn't mind hearing from Brian Cox on that note because he's oh, yeah But then I call you a little bit once good as well. I like her a lot Yep Sonic's design slash concept aren't at fault in the slightest. Why has Sonic struggled? It's because Sonic team is bad at making video games in general Sega doesn't help I mean, I guess I'm inclined to agree that there's nothing like wrong with the Sonic formula I mean the formula is presented in the early games on Genesis is pretty great Then again, I would say that I don't know I feel like Mario was always come across as like the more inherently Approachable kind of a of the of the two games like what what Sonic is offering is kind of like Mario if it was like the Archetypal platformer where a Sonic doesn't feel like it's archetypal It's kind of like it's right next to it but not quite because it's going for a slightly different experience of Definitely much more of a leaning towards getting through the level really fast the whole Multi-tiered kind of structure to each level how you've got like a top a top path the middle path and a low path Which is not usually the case of Mario. It's usually pretty straightforward Basically the point I'm saying is I think that like Sonic has a higher skill floor than Mario But yes, I'm inclined to agree as well that there is nothing wrong with Sonic as a game It's uh, it's just odd that they've not been able to be consistently good since like the first three fucking games Since then it's been way more of a crapshoot What is everyone on the cast's max bench lol I listened to you guys all the time at the gym Well, let me see I've got I've got a chair in another spare, but I don't have any benches I think there's one outside around the side of the building, but I never use it I know there's I there's a lot of benches that like the parks and stuff that I Go and walk kind of doing my walks and stuff, but around but here. I don't need a bench It's if I went to lounge. I just lay on the bed And I've got my computer desk, and I have like another like older chair, but it's smaller It's just sort of over there in the corner, but I don't I don't my max benches. I guess zero tech I guess it's an odd question, but I guess it's fair I'm afraid I don't have it recorded so I can't tell you as in like I didn't remember last time I did it and I don't remember what it was so a thing of Interest say on that one Yeah, like I don't know We don't know Found a neat animal discovered last year Lamarack dromia Lamarck A type of oh, I was about to say is that a type of llama, but I guess not Lamarck Dramia, maybe Beagle is a fairy crab discovered in the made-up land of Australia Interesting what will they think of next? I don't know I kind of getting desperate making up new animals And they want to just play with the ones they had Like Disney who knew force powers. Oh, I'll fix everything original Whoa a picture of them Interesting looking Wow Oh, look at him.  Look at him. He's a fuzzy lad.  I assume that's a shell Well, there you go She's discovered last year. That's cool when I hear the name Anton I think Anton Shigur from no country for old man. No country for old rat country to he no cooking for old man No cooking A Puss in boots sounds painful not gonna lie Those it could be depending on interpretation I'm just thinking about wouldn't it be interesting a Pixar got to make a film that was like an adult like strictly for adults Animated film there was like no country for old men, but that would never happen That would be interesting. You do wonder like what would you make? Jam-drawn man Tony's dutch Bonus quote jam Groot Howdy masses I was the brood member who superchired the new Nostalgic critic clip I was surprised and deeply honored to have contributed to e-fap content and on the anniversary no less Thank y'all for everything you do high rags Hello. Yes, that was the baffling clip where he said we have to put up with Lion King 2019's in order to have the Mandalorian Logic doesn't even make sense and the fact that you're saying it in favor of an actual bad story It's so weird as a quote Yesterday was Mihai cheeks at Mihai's 89th birthday. How did y'all celebrate you did celebrate right? You wouldn't forget his birthday, would you I had a cake and it was all middle Yeah, it was great. No crust all the candles in the middle as well My new favorite movie when cheers may come All right instead of what dreams may come yeah, I guess I can't think of CGI artist names. They must be bad. Oh, no, you remember that That triggered the hell out of me What a bad argument you don't remember the name that that's why because they don't make good things Value of their creations. God.  It wasn't remembered for it Yeah, who invented the wheel He's just like well, I mean I know a name but I'll go K He was like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. They don't remember my name You know, it's more important that civilization moves forward and everything then it's like yeah But people who don't remember your name that means that you didn't do something good You'd be like excuse me. I don't see Hmm There was a first guy who created the wheel that guy exists Just like there was a first guy who decided to drink cow's milk You know the guy who made the wheel do you think when they made it? He was like, hey, should I write my date down to make sure everyone knows who did this? They're like, no, we'll remember. Oh, we all know you. Yeah, we know is everyone know you Would the wheel have been the wheel must have been created before writing Yeah, I'm a certain like yeah, I'm I'd say almost certainly Do we have any guess as at all? Certainly before like a formalized writing like marks on a wall obviously, you know, oh, yeah, of course But like not yeah, not not like written language before they were yeah, but but I guess we don't I guess we don't know then Like when it was made I wonder how much of a Mind-blowing thing it was or if it was just the Perfection of stuff. They'd gradually been building up to like just getting better and better than realizing all the rounded shape That's probably the best one there you go.  Um, it was it was like a car crash in these two guys who one guy was eating peanut butter One guy was eating chocolate when they crash They flew into each other and the police officer got there and it's like he got peanut butter on my chocolate He got Is An old commercial well, so the joke is that that crash happens the cop eats it realizes It's so good then whips out his gun and kills I don't know why but I'm thinking of that in terms of like a Magical sort of happenstance of just stumbling on the wheel That I don't know like this guy had a square wheel and a triangle wheel and then whatever they crashed And it turned into a sphere and then one of the cavemen found out and killed them and stole their idea But it probably didn't play out that way probably but it's a fun thought New Bethesda game sounds like it's time to play New Vegas again instead correct Um rags his parents are bark attacks meaning they are dog. You didn't need to explain it Yeah, no, I I got it. I liked it. And then you Think they wrote it out that they were like, oh shit, they might not get it which to be fair We've not gotten things before so I understand Happen, you know say you should make sonic brand chili Uh, cuz he really likes chili dog. Yeah, that's probably an idea something to put on the chili dog I'm sure a sonic would probably like chili a lot He just prefers chili dogs or maybe when he goes out and gets chili dogs. It's just more It just makes more sense to order chili dogs not to be like I would like some chili Maybe he likes them. No, it makes sense that he likes the mobile version of a food, right?  He likes fast. Oh my god rags architects Yeah, that's it's it's it's a long those lines rags. Do you get it? I had a I got some fast food the other day I went to a Popeyes because I watched a video on Popeyes What am I? We don't have that here. Oh, right, right, right. It's like a fast food chain here That does Louisiana style sort of food so like fried chicken and biscuits and stuff like that And I watched a video on it and what their process is for getting new menu items and stuff like that and how they expand So I was like, you know what every Friday I pass a Popeyes twice there and back and I haven't been in many many years I'll give it a try So I went to Popeyes and I had a chicken sandwich and it came with fries and a coke and it was 950 almost 10 bucks So it was a little pricey, you know as fast food actually is turn just to alleviate everyone's Disillusion should you possess it fast food isn't actually cheap. It just tastes cheap usually But I had this fried chicken sandwich and it was really good I was quite pleased with this chicken sandwich. So yeah, good job Popeyes. You make a good fried chicken sandwich No, I Never liked how Udina became a straight-up traitor in Mass Effect 3 at first it seemed like Mass Effect 3 was trying to make a sympathetic to him. I Can't remember on I can he was the he was a he was in the first Mass Effect. He was opposed to Anderson it was him and Anderson basically You'd remember him if you saw him don't worry. Yeah, maybe.  So I tell everyone I don't it may be a supply to you I don't know like guys, please you need to go max either Paragon or renegade probably One or the other because if you don't you get punished for it a lot Basically, yes, it's it is my complaint of of course sort of Mass Effect in general as much as I love the trilogy And I really do and I love those games There's so much to love about them. I don't like the Paragon renegade system It does sort of lock you into either going full one or full the other There's no advantage or anything to gain from going sort of this sort of that So you basically you choose beforehand. Do I want to do a good? Do I do I want to do I want to do a Paragon or renegade playthrough?   Yeah, no one remembers the human characters. No one remembers Caden. No one remembers Jacob No one remembers Ashley.  That's right rex Morden morden. Yep.  I don't understand all three of us to all three. We're not gonna answer that I'd marry the both of them and I would start a polygamous cult with ourselves and we would be that we would be the time keepers We'd be the time lizard people and marry you both and then make a podcast Good fellas or casino, which do you prefer? Haven't seen either actually I'm sorry Those are two that I haven't seen there's plenty. I like about both of them So I'd have to give them a rewatch and then come down to a definitive answer Hey, but there goes an excuse to lawyer to watch them again cuz yeah, you fellas you guys should watch animation versus videos They are amazing examples of how much you can do for character without using faces or voices. I rex Hello Yeah, I was um, I forget what got me to To actually do it but on a whim perhaps I watched it's like eight years old now I rewatched the blizzard animation of the last bastion of Bastion from overwatch and I was like man.  It's so good and it's bastion. He doesn't have expressions He's just or he's a robot and he's got a light and that that's just it, you know He's a little bit. He's less expressive than Wally In terms of what he can physically do to express himself and that still is like a really really wonderful story That's emotional. Oh, yeah, it's like I said, it's it's definitely the best one as far as I'm concerned. I don't even close That was a back of the day. I was a filthy bastion main Oh, wow, where are you?  They were still figuring them out now.  Oh, okay. Well, I Sent some trauma here. No, it really wasn't. I mean I did I want to like Overwatch But I feel like it doesn't try hard enough.  Yeah How interesting it just sort of Off it goes Here's an interesting quote. I don't think you guys have ever heard of it. I think therefore jam I Think therefore jam I think Fortune and he didn't even seem to notice it was a strange Avery's 1964 God I do think maybe the second funniest thing he ever did was getting on the ground and doing the worm When he talked to Ethan you mean when he won the debate is already talking. Yeah, that was when he Do that was too funny the sheer physicality of him winning that debate expressed in dance Well, he said in a Q&A that you like Dragon Force is ZP theater Or Mark Hudson better as a singer not for the band. There's no question there considering my knowledge of Dragon Force is more so cut off around Like 2012 ish it was Valley of the Damned sonic firestorm In human rampage ultra beat down and then I think power within is where I stopped listening. Maybe maximum overdrive I can't remember but that would mean the I was mostly listening to ZP's work not Mark's so that would be who I'd pick but Hey, maybe I'd have a different answer if I was to pit them together or something against each other outside of the songs I'm not as familiar with Dragon Force as you probably are so Um, I'd love to see y'all talk about armored core six like you have other games the story is interesting and your choice Is what few you have drastically changed the outcome of each playthrough also high racks? Hello, you may have noticed The games we choose are usually ones that all of us were interested before we even met anyway as franchises Yeah, um Some well, except the retina evil floor that was one that I basically that was prompted by the remake existing Well, I was gonna say uh ragnarok is just that was like You know, I just like had so much to talk about. I was so impressed by the story. I was like you guys got to see this Uh, well, I say that uh, you know, I wanted for me to play it because I figured he would uh At least be somewhat interested anyway.  I was just aware of a decent amount of it, but I hadn't played them He did 2018 and then you did ragnarok and we were real fun. Yes. That was a big old adventure Um, hello. Hello. Hello and for added effect. Hello Ah, oh my god I'll use this chat recommend some movies loving vincent That's been recommended before actually Road to eldorado Yeah, I love the road to eldorado prince of egypt and treasure planet. Yep. Yep. Love both This next one, uh, the thing that's fair. Yeah, all right. Which one which one 2011? Obviously. Yeah, we're gonna assume. Yeah That's the one people love so yeah easy a which I've heard of I've seen and uh I haven't seen nine as well. Yeah, I wouldn't mind taking a look at it. Yeah I have finally caught up all e-faps minis movies, etc. So everything on moola Thank you for giving me nearly two years worth of content to listen to while I work. Love y'all also hyrax Hello. Well, don't worry plenty more pouring out every day Cowering Media analysis content done done done We voted the little platoon as best guest and he hasn't watched walley. Can we revoke our votes? Also hyrax Hello You know tempting It's tempting. We'll put it on pause until he sees it and then he can have it back Remember when mass fact two did its own heart of darkness for jacob's loyalty mission? Jacob's loyalty mission. Yeah, I was finding his father crash landed on the planet and it was like, I don't know That's all I just all we remember is the general premise. He has like a harem of women or something beneath. Yeah All the human characters are not great. No one remembers the human characters Hey massives, have you seen or heard of the crank movies? If not, I recommend reading the synopsis of the first. They're both hilariously entertaining I would highly recommend them for a good laugh and a crazy movie perfect efab movie material Also play little nightmares hyrax Hello I've seen both of them. They are wacky and fun You guys seen both of the cronks No, I have not seen crank or crank two high voltage You guys know both know what it's about, I assume I know what about those are like Like transporter or something crank has to give his heart rate up Yeah, is that it? Okay. All right um, I think it's like he's He's gonna die But he can delay it if he charges up that hot more and more and more and more and more and he's just trying to find The person who did it to him so we can kill him before He dies. That's like the which is a pretty cool premise, I think um Imagine a talented team at capcom or devolver or inti create slash etc Working on good game mechanics for sonic game if sonic team was made up of talented game designers It wouldn't be so dubious Damn, this business got issues with sonic team I help support moodle's video game addiction and he can't even read my super chats correctly Also, is it already been a year time flies? Yeah, he's gym in those, you know Try not to mention it because it's so embarrassing, but He tries and yes time be traveling. This one says shrug. I'm the slayer Uh, if that's a a buffy quote, which probably is I'm not entirely She should I just I just don't know why you were prompted to say it unless it was something from I'm just gonna give a thumbs up Pringy play freedom planet one and two. You will like them Uh, I'm not heard of that series Just want to say hi to shady when's the next daria or tt video or shady do rags Great, I know I don't know either Look at the name. No, look at the name of bob saggett's sister Is it a is it a goofball name or something? Okay, all right Okay, that's pretty good Jesus very love. He's a nice lady. Maybe we should like Like anyone listen to this who wants to know they have to search it up themselves. Do you think that's correct? Yes You say bob saggett's sister, you'll get it and then you'll you'll do a little giggle then life will be better Because when you type bob space s and already like Google's like, I know what you're doing Never think about the Tourette's guy Bob saggett Bob saggett You guys remember Tourette's guy Tourette's guy from It's just Tourette's guy. It was it was a youtube thing. Hmm I'm either if you know about Tourette's guy. Oh man. This is this is old school youtube.  I mean Isn't that some of the most cringy shit, man It's like I think that's one of the best ways to introduce nostalgia critic to eddie This is what you're in for Melvin brother, do you think we should watch that on on uh, you have some time? I don't know It's probably not copyrighted, right?  He thought it was so funny There is there is a kind of insistence on some of his jokes that do in a way actually kind of make them funny Because he insists on how funny they are Yeah Well, yeah, because he'd be maybe he'd be really happy to know how much laughter has come from it And that's only that's you know, he'd be like there you go. That's all I need Um, because do you guys know about the link car running meme?   He never grew. He's stuck in that like 2007 YouTube, you know And that's why that's why we love him Don't go it's a walking phoenix based his Joker off Melvin Oh speaking of walking phoenix, we got to see a napoleon when it comes out. Yeah Um Do we do I want to see it, but do we got to see it? That's kind of the question Yes, well, I mean, I don't know. Are you asking how how uh, how how hype are we? I I don't like to see it because it's napoleon and it's walking phoenix and it seems like it's God and it's Ridley Scott. So there's like And he's just you know, he's banger after banger. So Yeah, I don't mean like he's abusive. I just mean that he You know makes really good films never made a bad film in his life That's true. And typically the longer they are the better they are These comments are so good. I used to think my life was a tragedy that I realized it's a cringe compilation That's pretty funny if I ever get to work at DC. I'm gonna make Melvin cannon Melvin the front In a way, he's kind of like a Star Wars prequels where he's terrible But you kind of are endeared to it in a way You know, it's post-anticobody master works so no one could tell me otherwise Shockingly accurate. It's actually scary. It was like The the stream after the eFap episode I did walking about like explaining melvin the brother joker. I explained it again on uh Star Wars theories stream Two chances to explain such incredible lore is you know, no one can really claim to be so lucky Um the story of aron of lincoln is interesting right I hope boris johnson's barba wasn't in charge of his son's circumcision Oh This boris johnson has an infamously bad hair too. What about if it's post-anticobody hair? I didn't think about that. Did you and I guess it's good Remember when biteon rode past a pro-abortion rally and said keep going. He was actually talking to the bike He was talking to the bike I feel like there's a joke. I'm basically he speaks to the bicycle Because he's old and he speaks to bicycles if that if that's it. Okay fair enough. I get it. Yeah, sure Uh, did you hear about cinematic venom's new review of lord the rings where he makes fun of his younger self covered on eFap 93? I have heard You need to check it out Mr. Nice guy jackie's best film is set in australia react to it with meme Play the max pain trilogy massive and play the loose for games for halloween My goodness sonia, that's a lot of things. Yeah Maybe I think platoon is right ego does recognize that he was initially apprehensive to gustos idea of anyone can cook He still gave them a chance Yeah, I think that that That aspect of him is pretty interesting considering how he is that's pre arc.  What what bird makes that noise? Um, yeah, I mean, I'm not familiar enough with birds really, but I just I just don't you know In all representations of bird and media or birds in media. I I don't I mean I don't know. I feel like if every if every episode I ended with Then you'd probably have more of a point. Well now they got it Well, yeah, I use that against you Yeah, but only only that one. That's that's all they got maybe that was their master plan They were just trying to get that out of you. Uh, maybe yeah knows Um, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that remi was focusing on dishes that the old lady he lived nearby would have favored Well, there's the theory that uh, he got the recipe from the book that was in her house and that she is actually Anton ego's mum And that's where he grew up This is a fan theory that everyone very much loves and wishes to be true. I find the um The idea that he made a peasants dish kind of more meaningful You know in general Um, gotta go more. We'll catch up later.   He's not ratatouille. It's ratatouille's monster. Yeah. Yeah I like that. That's a good joke Black ops versus black ops two story debate go Um, I don't know either of you guys even passionate about I don't know anything about it and I have no passion I was quite fond of the first one. Uh, I don't remember the second one Uh, I like both of them. Um, I like Black ops two for me is like the last call of duty game that I think is like worthwhile Basically, like that I considered to be wholly worthwhile compared to like modern warfare 2019 where there's like a big asterisk on any recommendation I can believe that we're if you said modern warfare three would be like, yeah, which one Oh, yeah, well, yeah The 20th anniversary modern warfare three. I think the worst reviewed call of duty game. Um, I think so, yeah Which yeah isn't surprising basement, but but basically the takeaway is that um Black ops is like really cool black ops two is a bit more ambitious and then in ways a little bit more messy, but it also Both I think both of them have like the strongest campaigns And then if you add world at war in the mix like try out made good campaigns back in the day um Black ops two was like Interesting in terms of like some of the the concepts that's trying to explore and realm menendez is a One of the few call of duty characters that I think you could actually honestly describe as interesting um More interesting than ghost Ghost is cool.  I think those are really cool campaigns I think that they're fun I like the twists and turns and I like the uh, I like all of the I like I like mason screaming all the time.  That's that's that's funny, right? And also, I mean it was kind of like a cool idea right of the the whole like The post credit reveal is that maybe mason assassinated jfk As like a thing that they had been like teasing throughout the uh throughout the game that was like kind of interesting Um, yeah, I I could probably deliver a more comprehensive like cohesive Uh statements about those games, but yes, I I like them both I think I'm a little bit I'm more partial to black ops one, but I think that two is pretty good as well In terms of their campaigns and story Uh, and I like the black ops two actually I find it hilarious that black ops two had more meaningful choices than mass effect three in terms of its ending Like black ops black ops two had like four or five endings.  It was like there were it was maybe was it the first time that had ever really happened?  This is what it all led to I was uh, I think I was perplexed I was baffled because I I when I beat the game I'd been playing it for like 10 straight hours because I was really Yeah, I was having a good time and then I go to the end and I was I was kind of like I was kind of I just didn't know what to make of it. I was like, I don't I don't understand like why When they had explained everything that happened like it was the state of the universe with the relays and You know all the planets and everything getting separated and cut off from one another I was like, wow, you took everything that was cool about this universe and you just like You literally just like undid it Well, it's just they completely they wrote an ending where no matter what you do. Everything is awful Yeah, everything Everybody is now stranded in the star system that they're in And earth in particular is a destroyed planet with a massive fleet of comprised of all of the different aliens of the entire galaxy Stranded there the crew of the normity is stranded somewhere because they decided to flee from the battle like And it's just like Yeah, like and then of course the fact that like the premise of the game itself in terms of like Like the explanation for why the reapers was doing anything at all was just like dude This is this is contradictory.  That was the uh That was the dlc and Something I I don't think I ever actually played it Uh, I never played it either because I was just like, uh, whatever like a yeah I think that was kind of my attitude. I was just like no, I'm done.  I'm not doing any of your choices Um, which I guess it's nice that that's an option there, but it still had the three choices and then it had It had like a post credit kind of like montage to be like no no no everything's fine. They're rebuilding the relays It's all good. You know the the the galaxy is like moving on to try and give you some closure But it's still still not good enough. It's it's still pretty bad ending Pretty awful. Yep But a lot of good stuff along the way thankfully And it was fun game to actually play and there was some good stuff in there Um My symmetry overall it's it's a good game. You know and a lot of great payoffs, but boy More than more than staff But yes the ending highlight You know My favorite one-eyed character is the lego shumagorath we got from multiverse of madness the only good thing to come from that movie I mean that could be pretty cool I have folks have you ever come across a piece of media where you think the writing is good But you disagree with its messages Ratatouille sort of sort of yeah just mainly one aspect of it. That's all yeah I I very much agree with some things honestly Some of it kind of funny because I feel like the movie that's why I keep suggesting ratatouille two would probably tackle this I feel like it really naturally leads there Because the film is almost got it, you know Like the the creative aspects and stuff and then being like I am a pitiful reviewer though So it can't come from that even though that's how the message is delivered. So it's like come on guys one more step nearly there almost got it People will be perfect for that Is that that might be the more interesting question Do you consider like a floor of a film if they deliberately have an incomplete sort of idea because they want to explore it in like the next thing Um probably not But maybe it depends on what we get if it's contradictory Without that sort of context or explanation then I think it probably would be you know like um Uh, it's crazy to sound but just like you know there's someone who's done something pretty horrific But done good things otherwise and everyone's celebrating them and we're like what the fuck How did everyone let that go like slide by and then in the sequel Like characters start to actually poke at it and then it actually comes through It's like I I think in that context It still wouldn't redeem the first one if it was just out of character for everyone to be ignoring it um You know like uh What happened in the prison in black widow, right like if in like a future black widow film she hadn't died They were like, you know the prison thing like there's some villain that's like you buried us in snow Well, I guess the interesting thing is that it was not planned, but obviously age of ultron Its problems are incorporated and it's a civil war and it wasn't beneficial war, but it wasn't it wasn't planned It wasn't deliberately intentionally Written badly when all like open-ended The math I would do I believe that is a boon to civil war that it overall heals the mcu But it doesn't actually change anything about age of ultron Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty much the way to to put it. Yeah What is the cruz opinion on 2004 was collateral? I haven't seen it. I Think I haven't seen it and I know that it's quite well liked so that's one for us all to see at some point Oftentimes it's good to get the perspective of a brand new guy to the job over how you do things They could have insights that you've never even thought of due to not being influenced by nature of the job and how it works True. Yeah, absolutely Uh, let's not pretend the critic is good after finding out it was made by the rat the worst thing you can have He's not reliable at all if you want to be real Sorry, what? No, like there's none of commas and it was no commas when hero full star I mean if you're talking remember you gotta remember that like it's it is a cartoon world where like there are sentient Moving around walking talking rats that can like wash their hands and stuff I don't know is the point that they're making like that even even if you found out it was a rat That would actually change your perspective on the meal completely that it wouldn't I'm not sure. Well, I'll post you it because I'm reading it over and I'm trying to figure out exactly what you're saying Okay, let's not pretend the critic is good after finding out it was made by a rat the worst thing you can have He's not reliable at all if you want to be real Oh, what the critic isn't good because he wrote a good review of the place even though it was made by a rat I guess so Um What do you mean? He'd be judging the meal for what it was. Is the criticism that he's he should be Well, like that's just a breach of ethics no matter what that a rat is cooking the food I mean The problem is I don't know what happens when you encounter a rat that's sentient Basically sentient who can like Essentially do like who washes his hands when he cooks, you know Well, and I believe he has the reassurance of the other chefs that he's clean. He's not Disease riddance. I mean pretty much. Yeah, like he yeah And and I mean it depends on how much how realistic the world itself actually because I mean that you can have a conversation about that of like Are there other sentient animals that live in this world? Um, but I mean it's it's got a limited scope by design Partially so that you don't ask those types of questions Um But I guess you if I was to say as a defense that you know Anton decided that he wouldn't Fuck over the entire place by highlighting that instead just saying that the chef is doing great work But this person I guess is saying that's that that makes him a shitty critic because he should be exposing something like that John I don't even know if you should it's complicated because he got his assurances then I don't think I got exposed anyway.  He um, do you remember? Oh, yeah, well So they does he talk to the chefs at all though? Uh, well, no, they show him around but he doesn't say anything and then he just the occasional question is apparently all but he Oh, the occasional question. That's right. Yeah I think the implication is meant to be that he was like so stunned that any occasional question was not that confrontational It was like a cloud. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I didn't I didn't mean like you actually swear anything I just I would imagine cleanliness would have been one of the clarifying thing You know, like I mean he ate it. He probably you know, I mean like there's a lot going into it But I can understand wanting to clarify on that I guess Yeah Uh, you see this ramy. This is what happens to us critters when we run into humans. They make us crispy Oh, no It won't die Um, just watch the faculty and it's better than 90 percent of recent movies Despite of being a cheesy 90s horror flick setups are paid off for shadowing is logical and characters act consistently to the way They are portrayed The faculty is good Was that our um Our favorite of the body swapping. No, no, but like like sorry body snatchers, uh, yeah It was my favorite. Yeah, if we're discounting the thing, uh, because it's not quite Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no way. It's obviously, yeah The faculty is much more in line with body snatchers type stuff than the thing is. Yes Uh, hey guys criticism is definitely an art form. How many times do you actors receive criticism from the director? It's the same skill set as a film Yep Bump bump bump. That's interesting to think about isn't it? I think that a lot of people want to be like a critic and a director Like there isn't any crossover in your delusion if you think one leads to the other But at the same time we all acknowledge that there is crossover You have to accept that there is, yeah A shilling for the critical meter. Don't go over Fair enough. Oh, no, no, no Five nights of freddy's now requires you to read 20 god-awful YA novels in order to keep up with the game's already incoherent story I thought you might find that amusing Yeah, well, I'm I don't know anything about the lore Yeah, I don't know shit about five nights of freddy. Only knows. Yeah, it's complicated. There's stuff going on all over the place. They have Maybe it'll be a horde of animatronic robots taking over the world eventually In that universe and then we'll make a film about it when they get to like the 10th one or something Um under criticism of dunkey is exactly why his content sucks now and why he's become very disingenuous petty and just a jackass to his viewers I wouldn't know. Um, I only know about bits and bobs of some of these worst stuff I just I got put off watching him significantly many years ago. So You dumbo should over criticize ddlc or just criticize it the amount you usually do either way you'll have to play it first to do that. So I think you've been asking us to play it for like three years. It was it was just after hardcore henry I think I started getting asked Once we watched it. I mean Remember that right? That was a fun movie Hardcore henry was neat. It was all right. Yeah, it was all right. It's a fun movie Uh, John Locke's first of his two treaties of civil government was a written critique of Robert Filmer's patriarca Patriarch in the style of efab Uh, okay, cool I guess that makes him a critic And a writer An artist Have you guys seen the japanese mcdonald's commercial wholesome, but also a nice anime Yeah, yeah, I've seen the art. It's really lovely. Yeah And yes, yeah, uh, all you critics criticizing poor sniper wolf Yeah Hi rags Hello Good, I get a horror recommendation from each of you excluding the thing alien predator and the descent Uh underwater I'll go with it follows Uh So Hahaha Instead of horror not comedy. Yeah, but all right Uh, mola, do you see the newest soaker it was amazing anakin was there He had the eyes and a lightsaber it did the red and then he vaded and rex was there mola. These are things I recognize Wow Well, I hope you're okay I don't get overblown by all those things and uh, hopefully we'll get some more of it in season two you know another whole episode of Go into the past. It's super interesting. I'm cool if there was a season two We shall see We're the new death album yet absolutely phenomenal Uh, no death album. No sounds scary though There you go. That's a horror movie Yeah There are no bricks. I don't know any horror albums. So I couldn't make any recommendations about those There are no bricks and stools. Everything is made of adobe or CGI Adobe here CGI and the two genders Thoughts on mario wonder so far I'm mixed because of the annoying spaghettio plants and other things that look too much of a departure also high rags Hello I think it's great. Um, I am I'm a big fan. Uh, it feels like Instead of what the new super mario brothers games were which felt like a very safe Um, a very safe sort of interpretation of mario in a safe version of like a 2d mario again super mario brothers wonder feels like a meaningful, uh evolution and uh, like a meaningful evolution of 2d mario with a lot of Variety and a lot of experimentation that's super welcome. It's just brimming with new stuff Um, and on top of a really polished core experience. So I'm a big fan. I think it's great There you go. Uh criticism isn't art idea is probably partly because criticism is inherently a response Not something that can exist on its own alone in a vacuum. Is that true? Can we not be I don't know a lot of stories critical of human nature Human nature has to exist. Yeah The whole idea with um a lot of I think it's and I think it is inherently responsive, but I don't think that makes it any less I I don't I just feel like most stories Are the individuals response to something like isn't part of what we advocate that like better art is created by better experiences from a person as in if they live a full life or they live a You know a life like the art doesn't come from nowhere doesn't exist in a vacuum It's why people like believe there is just a An obvious difference between art made by humans and AI is that the humans have lived Lives and so you can you can feel the soul in there for lack of better terms um Obviously I can trick but the a lot of it feels and this goes for like the the stuff like special effects from modern Disney stuff that so much of it is so quickly done so automated and Artwork that is made with like a passion But put in places it was never meant to be and so it like almost comes across as just slapped in and then it starts To feel like it's soulless. I guess what I'm getting at is of course. Yes most of what people seem to do with the best of art is You know like the thing it's like what is it about? It's like if someone said paranoia and be like what does that mean? It's like well it's kind of like highlighting one of the Flaws of human nature or rather one of the defenses we have maybe or point being A response to the concept and it's like ah, yeah, well, is it truly art now?  Please hi rags. Hello Um, I mean that'll be a film where if you was watching for the first time I wouldn't want him to talk over it I just feel like just enjoy it Walley is brilliant inconsistency arises due to the speed at which the axiom can travel at an anti gravity The necessary technological level implies earth's crisis could have been solved Uh, does it? I would probably need further explanation, but maybe there's something I could buy as an argument Maybe if I if I'd have to look into it and really think about it But I mean like maybe but I don't know Well, because isn't when we catch up with them they are able to go back to earth at that point, right? Oh, well, I think he's saying that they'd be able to fix the problem with technology They wouldn't even need to wait for uh, they wouldn't need to wait for earth to recover To that point that they would have sufficient technology to just fix the problem But I don't know about that. I don't know if I would just assume that that's the case Yeah, it could be complicated. Um, I have a feeling this creator of this video thinks jackson pollock is amazing He might do um, and I'm totally fine when people find jackson pollock stuff like super interesting. It's not really the point. It's Interesting like sure like I get it. I don't blame anyone for Finding it interesting. There are elements of being I don't know there are elements of it that you know do make you think Uh, mostly for me it comes in the meta of like wow people pay that much for this or Now that kind of thing because I'm really not a pollock fan at all But I mean there's something to talk about Yeah Uh, hey masses, I've been considering watching the simpsons because I sort of missed out on it What season should I stop watching at also? What order should I watch buffy an angel? Thanks and hi rags Hello Uh, I think you've gone for a while Yeah, me and freaking answers before is simpsons is kind of it This is one of the only shows that supplies to drop off when you want to drop off Pretty much once you once you start feel like it's not worth your time But you might find that when you start to feel it's not worth your time. You're like at season 15 16 Yeah, I was gonna say post season nine is where you will naturally drop off Somewhere after that somewhere after that.   Hang on. I'll just read out. I did this on stream once when someone wanted to know what it was It's the url is josswedon.blogspot.com forward slash 2012 forward slash o4 forward slash buffy dash angel dash Buffy dash and dash angel dash episode dash viewing dash order dot html That will take you directly to the viewing order No directly to it. Yeah.  Glad I stopped by always nice to see a new piece of art by bayouin Yeah, bayouin's uh bayouin is definitely he's got a style. He's very talented makes the beautiful He knows what he likes. What can I say? He knows what he likes And with that the last message, so thank you all for joining us. Appreciate the messages the kind donations We shall see you next time whatever it may be. Yeah. Bye. Bye. We'll see everyone later. Thanks again. Bye. Bye


Hi guys! This is Linda from Brain Education TV. If this is your first time, welcome! Please consider subscribing to our channel, like this video, and click the bell for notifications of each new episode. Today in this video, I'm introducing to you this book right here, Water Up Fire Down by Il-Chi Li. Il-Chi Li is the founder of Brain Education and he just released this new book right here, Water Up Fire Down, an energy principle for creating calmness, clarity, and a lifetime of health. So I'm introducing this book because this book contains a very important energy principle, health principle, to be able to manage stress, common ailments in today's society, to be able to manage your mental health, and then be in a place where you can help other people too. Have you ever experienced some kind of sickness and the doctors can't tell you exactly what's wrong with you? In other words, have you ever gone to the doctor and got a check-up for something? 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Because not only do I and you operate on Water Up Fire Down, this earth and our society also operates on the same principle as well. So how can we create that physically healthy, emotionally healthy, mentally healthy energy balance in our body? And how can we create that in our family, in our society, in the earth as well? So if any of what I just said resonates with you, go ahead and pick up a copy of this book. It's available on Amazon on ChangeYourEnergy.com. There are many different outlets for you to purchase this book. So grab a copy and learn about the one energy principle that will bring you into balance, into feeling peace, and into feeling healthy in your own body, especially if there's nothing physically wrong with you and the doctors have no idea why you are experiencing the symptoms that you are. I suggest, read about this, understand Water Up Fire Down, and then maybe you'll have some inspirations of, ah, put two and two together. This is why I'm experiencing blank. 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Good morning. My name is Tim Cole at the University of Illinois. I am at Banks Librarian and Professor in the University Library and I'm an affiliate professor in our iSchools Center for research and information research and science and scholarship and I better make sure I'm muted too. Okay. At the W3C, I'm past co-chair of the Web Meditation Working Group, co-editor of a technical note issued by that working group, and currently the co-editor of a perspective new recommendation being developed by the recently charted publishing working group. This is an update on the release of W3C Web Meditation Standards and an early look at the ongoing Web Publications Working Group work currently underway at the W3C. In regard to the latter, before we get into the main presentation, let me acknowledge that I've liberally ripped off the slides created by two of the co-chairs of the working group, as well as Dave Kramer, Ishet, and Yvonne Herman of the W3C. So I'll be focusing on developments in the last 12 to 16 months, but regular C&I attendees will be well aware that a log round work for the Web Meditation Specs was laid through most of the last decade by a lot of people. A major effort provided by many individuals. So to provide a little context for those of you who are not familiar with the recent developments in Web Meditation, this is my single history slide. Several projects led to the chartering of the Web Meditation Working Group started with the Mellon Foundation-funded Open Meditation Collaboration project that began in 2009 with Jane Hunter, Herbert von Asampel, Neil Freistat, Dan Cohen, Rob Sanderson, and myself as the PIs. In 2010, the Attation Ontology Initiative based at Harvard and Manchester got underway, Palo Tricorice and Tim Clark and others. In 2011, Dan Whaley founded Hypothesis, which works extensively with Annotation Now. By 2012, the Open Knowledge Foundation had released JavaScript-based annotation tools. And by 2013, we were seeing work from coming out of Europe and on other areas in Europe, which led to the notorious image annotation libraries and the pundit annotation tool. 2013 also saw the first I-Anti-conference and the creation of the W3C Open Annotation Community Group and separately the creation within W3C of the Digital Publishing Interest Group to begin exploring Web publishing issues. So we built up a lot of momentum by 2014. The W3C had a need about this to say critical mass with regard to web annotation had been reached and charted the web annotation working group. The working group was able to leverage all the activity and the interest, led to the release in February of this year of the recommendations and specs, three recommendations and two notes from the working group and also led to the development and furtherance of the publishing interest activities and so the charting in June of the publishing working group. Very quickly I'll show you the specs and then talk a little bit about them. So let me enumerate the web annotation specs published in February. First, the web annotation data model, which gives developers both annotation clients and servers a language of frank web to exchange web annotations. The web annotation vocabulary, which is the formal ontology underpins the data model, the data model is RDF and linked open data compliant. A web annotation protocol, a framework at this point a little loose for connecting annotation clients, web annotation servers. I'll say one or two words about this. The working group also issued a note describing particularly the submodel for specifying segments of resources, known as specific resources in the model. When you're talking about segments of a resource that you want to use as a target or a body of an annotation. And finally, a summary note describing possible approaches for embedding web annotations in HTML. This presentation, which will be up on the CNI website soon. I've included for those of you who like reading W3C specs and God help you by the way. I include the URLs you can use to find these specs, have at it. For others who want just a sense of what these documents are about, let me give you the 10 minute tour and you can ask me more questions at lunch or later. I'm also going to talk a little about the implementations we're seeing emerge. So core, there's a very simple idea. And those of you who've seen Herbert or Rob talk about this work over the years, we'll have seen this diagram. Let me highlight three kind of critical facets in this very simple model. First, every annotation is itself an object on the web, which can be in turn, annotated, shared, and start separately from the content being annotated. And that's important. Second, the body, the contents, the comment, if you will, if it's a simple comment of the annotation is not necessarily part of the annotation object itself, but is addressable to its own little box there. It's an addressable object in its own right. That can be referenced and in some cases, if you're for example, tagging, it may be a tag in an anthology somewhere else entirely. Third, annotations have a structure. And so they can't really be captured as a simple URI. Instead, the data model specifies serializing annotations in JSON-LD, the link data version of JSON-LD of JavaScript object notation. A brief anecdote about this last point. The web annotation working group charter was presented to the W3C advisory committee in April 2014. The AC is composed of a rep from every W3C member. Doug Shepers and I presented the charter at the AC meeting in Boston that year. During the Q&A, someone from the audience got up and volunteered that they knew of the perfect scheme for defining annotation targets and annotations. It's similar to how fragment identifiers work. You just put double hash marks instead of a single hash mark, and you do this and that, this and that, and everyone will be happy and will just be done like this with no working group. But we needed it. At that point, someone from the back of the room piped in with, and we do that, we'll break the web. Someone turned out to be Tim Burris Lee. The annotation reviewer went favorably, the AC decided to charter the working group, and we went forward from there. But now you know why. We don't try to make URIs out of annotations. We actually use JSON. Okay, all very nice in the abstract, but completely what kind of things can you do with the live annotation data model? I'm not going to spend a lot of time here, but I want to show you a little bit of what annotations look like in this data model. Simple use cases are relatively straightforward, and in fact, almost human readable. To be clear, annotations are created soon by software. But some simple annotations are easily comprehended at a glance. For example, there's the idea of a bodiless annotation showing the upper left corner of this slide. We were surprised when we began the open annotation collaboration, that even among scholars, this is a very common and important use case, just empty bookmarking, just like flashing a highlighter or circling something in text. Okay, so here you have a four line annotation, as simple as you get the first and third key, context and type, and fixed values, and they're the same in all annotations. The ID key gives identity to the annotation. The last key then is the important one. That's the target. Here's a simple URL of the web page being being annotated. For slightly more complicated annotations like sticky note kind of things, there are two options. The lower right shows what's called a body value annotation. It's a shorthand that may be used when the comment is plain text and extremely simple. You don't need to talk about the language of text. You don't want to reference the comment later on separately. Lower left is a longhand version of the same annotation. This pattern has advantages if you want to annotate with markdown or HTML, like you include bold or italics in your comment text, identify the language of your content, or be able to reference this annotation, this body separately. And of course, critically, the model allows them on both the annotation itself and on the bodies that you create for annotations, the ability to provide provenance, who created, when they created that kind of thing. More complex annotations than require more complex JSON, the way it should work. One more powerful feature of the annotation model is the concept of sake resource descriptions, essentially look here for finding identifying resource segments in the annotation target of body. I won't take time to detail this works. But if you have questions, see me or lunch or drop me a note. This just illustrates that the model does anticipate different ways you might want to target text, or graphics, or whatever. You can talk about byte streams, you can talk about text streams, you can talk about code selectors, and so on. And even find advice advice in the model on how to extend this with a particular community. Similarly, the model provides a means to deal with multiple bodies and targets, which comes up in more complex scenarios, or as illustrated in this example, to tag the motivation for creating the annotation, and or tag the role of each body in a multi body annotation. This part of the model, the, the motivation purpose is almost certainly underspecified. There's a paper that Alan or Nate or Jacob Jett, Dave Dover and I did at the 2016 Balancide proceedings about this. But the reality is that there are only a few tools actually sophisticated enough to allow experimentation with how motivation and purpose might be used. So for the working group, we felt like more experience was needed before we get more sophisticated in this fairly simplistic model. Go a lot more depth about the model, but I didn't have time today, so I want to change and mention the protocol briefly. At a high level, this document is about how annotation clients and servers interact. So the protocol spec talks about what a client application, an annotation tool, can do with an annotation what's created, how it might send it to the server. And now that tool could also go to that server and discover if there are other annotations involving a resource of interest. The protocol is based on the W3C linked data platform recommendation. It was written to follow the five basic principles laid out here. Stay consistent with the architecture of the web. Follow rest best practices. Expect annotation clients to talk to servers using HTTP broke all the web and vice versa. Take maximum advantages of existing specifications. And while keeping it simple as a priority for us, we realized these first four principles really take precedence for the most part. To remain to this comments yesterday about annotations and security of annotations and privacy, the protocol does not define how to do that. Instead, the protocol like most current W3C recommendations including the linked data platform specification relies on the built-in mechanisms of HTTP to manage permissions to annotate and so on. Basically, if somebody tries to do something using your annotation tool and sending an annotation to the server, the server has a right to say, you have an authentic agent, I'm not going to let you do that. And use HTTP to authenticate. So I want to turn to the testing that we did as part of this process before we published the recommendations as final recommendations. And a little bit about implementations that were seen emerge that are using those specs. At the W3C, testing is not about proving the technical viability or correctness, I mean sorry, it is about proving the technical viability of a recommendation. It's not about proving the correctness of the recommendation in a more higher level sense. It's basically about ensuring that required features that you talk about in the recommendation can and have been implemented. So we don't put a recommendation out there that says you're required to do something and it turns out it's very hard or impossible to do. So this is a screenshot, just a fragment of our test report. The link is there if you want to go see more. Ten developers submitted JSON created by their implementations and we tested all the files submitted to see exactly what features they had successfully incorrectly implemented among our required feature set. We wrote over 160 tests, each comprised of one or more JSON schema checks, over 300 JSON schema fragments. We then made sure that we had at least two implementations while required specs or we stripped that requirement out. And there were only a couple that came up that nobody had chosen to implement. The first column basically shows the feature. So I wanted to make sure that you could do an embedded textual body and have the required properties that we specified. And there were three schemas that you had to pass in order to do that. Then the right hand column are the abbreviations for the implementations. For that particular required property, four implementations had that particular kind of body, text body. For using external resources, the targets and bodies, eight of the ten had done that and so on. I say you're welcome to go look at the actual spec. It's got these nice, at the bottom it's got these nice little green and red and yellow boxes. Very festive to look at this time of year. The other thing we've been pleased to see is the number and diversity of implementations. These are specialized tools that I'm going to talk about, the web annotation spec, at least at parts of it. We've had discussions as well with browser manufacturers but the stage annotation implementations require embedded JavaScript libraries or plugins in order to use. Still seeing quite a bit of use. And we may see some progress on that or we may do some polyfills for showing how they can be used more natively in browsers. This screenshot is from Hypothesis under their general heading on their website of publishing. It illustrates some of the work that they're doing with publishers to do annotations and add annotation features to publishing the publishing. In particular these are some of the partners that have joined with them in doing work on annotations in their their applications and as of last week you can actually add Engenta to this list. Hypothesis for those who don't know, it's found by Dan Whaley, is a non-profit and does everything open source. So the they have a nice GitHub repository. You can actually contribute under certain terms to their code base if you want to and you can borrow from it and use it in your own own tools and applications. Another application is an Italian project started several years ago called Pundit. It got started in part with the help from Europeana. It's very similar to Hypothesis and actually one thing they've done that's very interesting is the interoperability experiments. Tag it or annotate it in both Hypothesis and Pundit and use the other client to see what it looks like and that that seems to work very well, very good proof of concept to show the interoperability which after all is one of the main purposes of these specs. They have a GitHub repository which primarily in AngularJS and developer site so again open source software may be of interest. Here's a relatively new initiative within Europeana, an API for annotating any object in Europeana. It's at the very early alpha stage right now but watch this space over the next six, twelve months. They do expect to get to mature beta in 2018 so we'll see that work and that's very interesting to see an API that allows you to create the annotations about inter-operable objects and store them with them with the with Europeana and again both a different repository and nice Google discussion forum for your API. This is something you may be familiar with in the other context, the international agent interoperability framework initiative. Rob Sanderson, one of the chief instigators and architects of IIIF was also co-editor of the web annotation specs as well as co-chair of the web annotation working group. The reason is because in IIIF in the presentation API as it describes annotations are used basically to associate images with the canvas which is the underlying model of IIIF called shared canvas originally when it was first worked on. So this is a very interesting use of annotation, a little bit novel and as no one over here is already at work and by the way Rob is just finishing his paternal paternity leave. He should actually be here co-presenting this with me but he had some familiar obligations. He says hi but it's given lots of time for him to go and work on the next spec of the presentation API that will be out next year and it will bring it fully into line with the latest the final recommendations that came out of the W3C web annotation work. Finally just a real brief plug for one of my own projects with an acknowledgement to the generous support of the generous support of the scholarly communications program at the Andrew Mellon Foundation. We've been transforming our now-venerable cold-pressed archive into IIIF as a step toward making better use of linked open data. This is an archive built from digitizing Professor Philip Kolb's notes that he and his students took over 25 or 30 years in the last century. Basically 20,000 or so note cards literally note cards. They've been digitized put into TI initially now into RDF and they mention a lot of people more than 7,000 names associated with Marcel Proust. His writings, his letters, his life in times. In fact Kolb was the editor of like more than 20 volumes of the correspondence of Marcel Proust. We've gone in and made it into RDF and now we're starting to mine this information and leave for linkages to VIF to Wikipedia and so on and finding that and we're going to find which families the various names are associated with. Many of the prominent families of the time like the Rothschilds. This is just a way of visualizing some of that. Every note I hear is a family as a member that is mentioned on the same card with one of the Rothschilds were mentioned up 43 of his cards. Obviously the next thing you want to do is begin to annotate this graph. Again different than annotating pages of text or even images. This is kind of fun. This just shows a couple of screenshots from a very crude interface we've been working on for this screenshot in the upper right where I'm about to add a comment to the Rothschilds node and then the lower left as we get links as annotations we can build those into the right context key so you can link out to like Wikipedia entries that have been added by annotation and finally in terms of implementations before I turn to the publishing work at W3C let me just mention that Apache Input Annotator Incubator has been established to see if we can get web annotation libraries into the Apache software software universe. This will allow us to do more work on annotation services in particular and potentially make it relatively simple to configure servers to capture for example annotations people want to make about content or some part of the content on your website. The incubator project does not proceed as fast as we had hoped but is proceeding to get a lot of input from hypothesis folks from Benjamin Young at Wiley from other people and I'm hoping this ends up being yet another avenue to see the influence of these recommendations on interoperable annotations. So I'm going to spend just a few minutes that I have left turning my attention to the web publishing activities within W3C which have been around for a while but have gotten a big boost this year due to a couple reasons okay in particular the web annotation work group showed some interest and survivability for annotation which is important to publishing and then in January of this year the International Digital Publication Forum people created EPUB merged with W3C and EPUB 4 will now come out of W3C or changes to EPUB 3.1 will come out of W3C. So with that initiative that momentum W3C in June charted a new working group the publishing working group. In slightly less words than this this official goal on their charter basically the goal of the publishing working group is bringing traditional publishing more into the web world and the open web platform and bring the open web platform a little closer to traditional publishing. We'll see how that works out. So what's the problem that space that they're really trying to be tackled here? Why can't we just put web publications up to HTML pages and we're done? A lot of people in the W3C community think that's the right answer just put up there add some JavaScript and you've got a perfectly fine platform for publishing traditional journals books everything else. It's not entirely clear it's true it doesn't deal with the fact that there are other things besides browsers that use the web like read platforms and basically the web is very resource-centric where resources are conceived in a single simple objects basically a file like an HTML source they're ancillary files like style sheets and and JavaScript that basically help to help you present that render that file but they're not containing the content for the most part. Content generally is in the resource that you get whether it's drawn from a database or an HTML resource. Web publications are a little bit different in the sense that structure is more complex structure is more important but if you have an intellectual object say a book with chapters or an article with sections and proofs and a better video each of those separate files now you have to worry about whole part relationships first next last reading order conditional sequencing for certain kinds of of modern books offline reading of books the open web platform sophisticated as it is is not fully adapted to treat such objects well currently EPUB basically wants to treat all internal resources next HTML file and zip everything else and call it a day that also is limited so what we're trying to hear is finally to talk about resources that contain other resources that are publication in nature in a sensible fashion that can be rendered by the various systems. The working group has been charged to create at least four deliverables we have a fifth deliverable in process as well and it's an outgrowth of the web annotation work but the four required deliverables are listed here. EPUB 4 will come out before this working group is finished. Another important deliverable is the area, DPUB area of deliverable which makes it's time to make EPUBs and everything else much more accessible okay version one of that is now being voted on based on work done with the interest group area is the interest or the group within W3C that does excessively work very optimistic very pleased by what's happening there version two will come out over the next two years in trying to achieve its deliverables the web publishing work group is looking at several items okay number of technical issues some of which are listed here for locating identifying segments within a web publication we're going to borrow heavily from web annotation notice the mention of archiving I was talking to Nick earlier we need more help we need more librarians in general in the publishing working group we definitely need archives and things like or experts on things like archiving if you know any please problem to talk to me at the very least we'd like to get their input on which they can provide even without being part of W3C because the work's done transparently transparently deal there are a lot of publishers involved in this with the joining of IDPF a lot joined W3C and while they all agreed this matter was wonderful they do not want to lose the idea that the web is also still and it always will be they hope a web of documents like publications so the members of the working group think about things in a document oriented fashion this is interesting to see how this meshes in our meetings and our calls with people who don't think about document-centric web anymore at the same time there's no false sense that everything is or should be an e-pub the web publishing group is not just creating e-pub for they're creating more general specification for web publications more generally and for package web publications web publications that are created and often little on offline but they can be expanded and brought to the web because they were created in the right way we're also looking at prior work the open web platform service workers web application manifest html nav tags link references we're looking at what e-pub did with manifest in spine kind of go fragment identifiers we're looking at personalization what browsers are doing as well as accessibility personalization efforts looking at annotations offline again and arrays of objects and so on so that's kind of where the web publishing just getting started in january we released our first public working drafts of at least two hopefully three specs please take a look at those those are transparent open anybody can look at those anybody can go to github and comment on them so look for the publishing working group find our github site add to our issues so we do better job with the specs and think about things like what do libraries have to have to make e-pubs work well and then think about joining community groups the nice thing about w3c community groups is you don't have to have to actually have to be a member of w3c a joining community group a new community group that just got started people work in museums or have segments of libraries that do museum-like work is the art and culture community group rob sanerson and a colleague just opened this um a month ago at t-pack w3c t-pack and so it's got 40 members already they're just getting organized if these are interesting to you you might want to join a community group it's a gateway drug i joined the community group for open adaptation and a year later i managed to get my institution to join w3c which for nonprofits is not terribly expensive and then i was able to participate in the working groups and it was a good thing to be honest for those of you at educational institutions the challenging part of getting to join w3c is less the budget cost than it is getting your office of technology management to sign off on the uh no patents kind of policy basically you don't put stuff in w3c that you're going to try to patent and you have to convince them that what we're doing for w3c is not patentable anyway so and i did not leave much time but there's a couple minutes of people have questions