Welcome to the wiki tree challenge. Hi, I'm Mindy Silva. Welcome to the wiki tree challenge reveal. Today I have Cindy Valdez from the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research. Welcome, Cindy. And do you want to tell us who else is with us here today? Thank you, thank you. I have Michael Vega. He's another one of our board members for our group. We also have Irene Foster. Irene is also a board member and she submitted her name and she was one of the ones selected and I'll let the rest introduce themselves. We have Jay who was the captain for the week and you know crucial to the success so and then Willie go ahead and tell us who you are. Okay, I'm William Gonzalez representing my father, Desiderio Jesse Gonzalez, who I introduced to the wiki tree challenge and it was so nice to be accepted and participate in the wiki tree challenge. Yeah, it was great to hear that you guys had such a wonderful response and so many people that submitted names. I know we eliminated you to seven so and you know we can only do so much in a week but and we had a lot of fun with it but it's always nice to hear that you had a really positive response from your organization. Yeah, I did and this is all fairly new to me so it took me some time to navigate my way through the site and and I'm still still trying to figure out things but I didn't learn a lot as I was going through it and it was real helpful to have you and everyone else that participated and helped me along the way too and I really appreciated that. Oh no problem and then I'm going to talk a little bit about wiki tree first for those viewers that don't know who we are. Our mission is to grow one accurate share tree that connects us all and is accessible to everyone free forever. It's all about collaboration. There's one profile per person. If you and I share an ancestor we work on that profile together. It's not that you have your tree and I have my tree it's all one big global tree and did I mention it's all free. Now we just passed 34 million profile milestone with almost 11 million of those having DNA connections attached to them so that's been really exciting and what really makes wiki tree work is its community. A cornerstone of the community is our honor code so anyone can view profiles on wiki tree but to edit them you know anything more than a close family member you have to sign the honor code. This emphasizes sourcing, giving credit, courtesy, understanding, accessibility, accuracy and respecting privacy and privacy is another one of those aspects of wiki tree that make it special. So even though we're growing a one world tree and are you know the majority of our site and profiles are free to view we all collaborate together. Only close family members can work on those modern family profiles so as you go back in time of course the privacy controls open up. Collaboration on those deep ancestors is between distant cousins who are serious about genealogical research, careful about their sources and willing to see their research validated or invalidated. So if you aren't a member yet come and join it just takes a minute to register as a guest and you can delete a guest account at any time. Now once again we worked with the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research this week and it was just so much fun. They gave us seven names we had seven days to find everyone we could within seven degrees of them and seven degrees means seven steps in any direction. On wiki tree we call that a person cc7 so our starting people were four grumbles who gained 1,253 new relatives bringing her cc7 to 1,260. Jim Mateo Moran Mulan gained 262 new relatives bringing his cc7 to 266. Loretto Coronado gained 386 new relatives bringing his cc7 to 389. Sebastian Constantino to ours gained 209 new relatives bringing his cc7 to 987. Ramon Lopez gained 163 new relatives bringing his cc7 to 166 and that was saying something because I know our researchers had some difficulties working on that line so adding 163 was great. We had Francisco Felix Rodriguez who gained 485 new relatives bringing his cc7 to 496 and then we had Desiderio Jesse Gonzalez who gained 205 new relatives bringing his cc7 to 402 and here we have a couple of our top people during the challenge week. Now Guillaume Alvesini was our most valuable participant or MVP but he was also our top bounty hunter this week. Other bounty hunters were Nanette Pazuti, Homer Thiel, Heather Jenkinson, Aaron Breen, Celia Marsh, Nina Hall and Ellen Smith. What a great week and then of course we had Jay. Jay do you want to tell us a little bit about our participants? Sure we had I think last check it was at least 50 participants. A lot of these are the same dedicated genealogists that come to work on. I'm pretty new at this maybe a year and a half and I think I started the first couple of months at FamilySearch because that's where I was finding the records I wanted from Northern Mexico and right away it's amazing how helpful these genealogists are. I was looking for a place other than FamilySearch.org where I need like a world tree where real genealogists are and it's just going to be the same tree and not different for each person in found wiki tree I think it was a little over a year ago and just about any of these people you see on this list are just willing to help you and eager not just willing eager and this one we had 50 I admit it might be a little less than we than we have but people are a little bit of afraid of the Mexican records I can understand that but it they really they jump in and try and people bring different strengths to the profiles some people really like to work on biography some people like to search the I think Guillaume is really good at looking for newspaper articles and things like that right is that Guillaume because that I think Homer is the one that takes that but you're right Guillaume did a lot this week and some really wonderful family histories this week that were just a gold mine and so we these are the 50 people as you can see if most of us not all of us are on discord online mostly because of the immediacy of the the feedback but you can also ask the same questions on their g2g our wiki tree is g2g which is a board we can pose and people are checking those all the time and rarely do questions go at least not someone doesn't try to answer that I think you know Jay really hit it on the head when he said that that one of the outstanding things about this community is just how amazingly helpful and friendly people are and very very collaborative yeah these these are all volunteers you know so they're just volunteering their time and they're doing record translations they're looking up newspaper articles are doing things like that and you know it's it's really it's a lot of fun to watch it's very impressive so we took a look at all of our starting ancestors and we didn't find blood relations but we did find connections and that's one of the fun things on wiki tree it is being able to see how we're all connected you know by blood or marriage so cora grumbles is 16 degrees from desiderio gonzalez loretto coronado is 22 degrees from cora and 25 degrees from roman Lopez francisco rodriguez is connected to the global tree but he was the only one that had no close connection to the others so you know that just means um he needs more people added around his location because the more people we add the more likely we are to decrease those connections and make people close closer and only timateo was not connected to the global tree this week but definitely not for the lack of trying no that's actually still happened yeah people are still working on that i know i'm still working on that we really want to get a meeting what it means by me connected to the family tree is they're kind of like sort of like this solo glob out there of connections and we're just trying to get them to where there's an existing tree and they have one connection and then suddenly they're connected to everybody it's really amazing when you make that connection on it just it's kind of fun it's exciting when you see that and then suddenly you can get the salt i don't know who writes all these apps but with there are wiki trees that are very good code writers and make it also easy i just want to mention the extensions on there because that's what really one of the things that brought me i come from research uh it's like i've been doing research most of my life i'm an attorney and i really liked how easy i mean the first thing was the citations and that's what i just was struggle over and here it's a click of a button a very accurate citation very accurate bios just reading all of your sources just amazing wiki tree is just doing it to help the wiki tree goal yeah and we do have a lot of fun using this connection finder during the week and you can look at any profile and say well what is their relationship to me and it will show you this path like you see in the middle so this is my connection to loretto corn auto and it shows you the path used to reach me with three connections being by marriage and i do have to admit i usually connect the captain here and show it but jay just wasn't connected to any of them and um and i tried our our mvp which was geome but he wasn't either so since i seem to be related to almost everybody i wound up using my own connection um mendy yes and your connections there uh my son is on homestead but i'm an rc and we're from bahab but my son is a viking type person and we traced him all the way back to scotland oh wow so we're related to you in an off way well that's awesome yeah because i saw that almshead name and i do you know uh let's see frederick almsted have you heard of him in your family he's the one that um was the architect for central park new york oh okay so yeah i see there's quite a i see there's quite a few of him in that connection in between yeah but i don't i don't recognize any of the names and there was a captain james that was with the washington at valley forge and stuff like that but that's where my connection comes from but it's the same name but it's eventually it's spelled differently yeah even on the lines that i have it started out with an uh with an l in it and then it went without the l and then it went back to the l so it had several spellings yeah but even with an a yeah it goes back i think into the 900s with an a yeah okay i just thought that was interesting yeah it really is once again you know we're all connected somehow by blood or marriage it's just matter of whether we get enough profiles added around us that we can find that connection so it really is a lot of fun um here we have governor hosé antonio remoldo pacheco jr now he's seven degrees from sebastian constantino to arse on february 27th 1875 governor pacheco became the state california's 12th governor it's first california born governor and it's first governor of mexican ancestry so you know that was definitely a notable person in california's history and while we're talking to go ahead i was gonna say that was a good find yeah while we're talking about sebastian he's six degrees from california governor pio de jesus pico um be his nephew jose arse now pico served as the last mexican governor of the state of alta california prior to the mexican american war and i think sebastian wound up really being um related to a number of these politicians it was interesting so here we have another one but even larger we continue on and we look at you as presidents and sebastian who served in baha california mexico of course is 14 degrees from the 32nd president of the united states franklin delano ruseville and 15 degrees from um hire mules's grant and then finally someone from other than sebastian we have cora grumbles who is 10 degrees from william harry henry harrison who was the ninth president of the united states now he was an american military officer and politician and the first president to die in office and you know once again it's just so fun and wiki tree does um you know like well he said there's so much to learn when you first get in there but it does make it easy to find these connections and you know you can go out to these categories and say okay i want to see how i'm related to all the u.s presidents you go to that category and click on my connections and it'll tell you what if you're related to any of them and if not related it'll show you what your connections are and we have thousands of categories so really easy to find something that's interesting so now we'll take a look at something other than just the interesting finds and connections and we'll start with cora grumbles and we were told by that cora and two siblings were adopted by delores's narrow so this is stuff we were provided by at the start of the week and you know this really took a lot of research and we talked a lot about this throughout the week and it turned out that delores uh who adopted her had a very complex family so the three children that she adopted were partially her own now cora was born out of wedlock she may or may not have been the child of jefferson grumbles or his brother but she was a child belonging to delores mary who's counted as one of the adopted children was actually delores's younger half sister sharing a mother with her and then william was a child of delores's but his father was william norman and he was born out of wedlock also you know and times were different back then so it may have just been easier for her to say oh these are my adopted children without going into specifics you know and disclosing family secrets and it was just you know a nicer simpler thing to say oh these children were all adopted but none of them actually were two were hers and one was a sibling so uh definitely you know something to look into more now we did find a birth record and the birth record that matches cora's birth date has maria emma which of course anybody looking into hispanic um ancestry maria is a very very common uh proper first name along with whatever the child is called but um you know it could also be that because delores took this these had these three children listed as her adopted children she couldn't have two daughters that were mary and so instead of having a mary a mary and you know uh william um they called maria emma they called her cora and that was most likely after jefferson's sister which seemed to be a family name in that family which is what makes us think that um you know that was the reason she was given the grumbles name uh that that may be the father so of course dna testing is going to be needed to prove the validity of that and check that out but those really were you know the two men him and it or his brother were the ones that seemed to fit the most as the father and once again that name cora was a family name for them and so that may be where that came from now on to other interesting connections our researchers they found a lot for the relatives of cora and it was really hard to pick who to showcase they find all these things out throughout the week and then we have to narrow it down to who we want to show so i decided to start with monopasio baca and in 1881 he was a witness for the prosecution in the trial of billy the kid for the 1878 shooting of sheriff william brady a recently discovered photo alleged to be a billy the kid was said to have belonged to monopasio and has been passed down through the that family and uh belonged to his son and here's where you can see the connection so you know we can once again take anybody and say how is this person connected to that person here is a monopasio's connection to poor grumbles and that's by uh four degrees via her half brother george norman another one our researchers found was jose guadalupe golegos who married to joseph agatiras just four months shy of his 16th birthday in 1843 now areas censuses indicated that they had six children he was a native new mexican military leader a county sheriff a rancher and a politician so he was pretty important in his community and really well involved he was only 23 years old when he was elected and served as sheriff for san miguel county new mexico um the sheriff's office was located in los vegas new mexico a town known to harbor the most disreputable game of gamb uh gang of gamblers desperados and outlaws and so you know it was a pretty wild area and he was later elected and served in four of the six assemblies of the territorial legislature between 1855 and 1861 he was also one of the founding members of the historical society of new mexico and you know he founded several other companies mining companies a wool manufacturing company now he was only 39 years old when he was reported as drown following a mysterious mysterious carriage accident on may team of 1867 so that picture if you can see it is the newspaper article um and the image was actually provided of his carriage crash jose is six degrees from cora grumbles via her husband acasio golego's and then a quick mention to many luela dolton she's three degrees from cora being her sister-in-law sister and many died just three months before her 100th birthday so she almost made it but we love fighting those you know that are that make it up to that century mark and especially the ones are amazing that you don't have the big families and still live to be in their 90s or 100s it's just it's incredible so next we'll go into timateo's section and he was our toughest starting profile we were told that he was born in mexico and migrated to texas in 1920 our researchers were able to add 262 family members within seven degrees but they never got him connected to the global tree and they were tasked with you know finding his death record but they didn't have any more luck than the descendant did so they did not find that death record and i'm not sure you know there there's always something that happens to some of these groups of records but we're not sure what uh why that was not locatable our team did find five of the great grandparents of timateo with the earliest being born about 1784 most likely in san luis patosi mexico so you know you definitely the descendants will want to go in and look through these branches that have been added to wiki tree because um there were just a lot of people added now we didn't find a lot in the records of his families from what i can tell you know they were all from one village or another within san luis patosi but we didn't have newspapers so you know sometimes we have newspapers or census records that will tell us more about the families and this time we didn't we did have little maria here who was his granddaughter who died from smallpox at just nine months old and you know those are sad with the child's deaths especially when these things are all vaccinated against now loretto was another that we didn't have enough time to find him parents and you know within one week if it is a brick wall we don't necessarily find it but we do have a possible link to the parents in the way of a baptismal certificate for a child loretto coronado and his wife um cornelia does not have a last name in the record and all although the name of the church on the record says it's real prendas the ancestry says it's from the la senora so that should be the correct church and it also not a super super common name so um you know it could be somebody in the family the record that they found possibly a father and uncle so that's a breadcrumb and we did try and leave these breadcrumbs on the profiles too so you know you'll see research notes where people said oh i looked here and didn't find anything or i looked and here's a clue to the family maybe this needs to be taken further and so hopefully you know somebody can take those those breadcrumbs up and follow them further and maybe find some more information now this is not a relative of loretto it's an incident that happened with him um in march of 1886 he was ascending the grade near his home and you know this is terrible and we just we found several of these which was really odd his horse drawn carriage went off the side of a cliff and on the way down rolled over a number times before hitting the bottom but he survived it um he had an unspecified amount of internal injuries and bruise shoulders and face and he was inconsiderable pain but you know unlike the previous person um he survived this accident so that was just really crazy incredible he was very lucky now we have a sebastian who of course we saw was connected to a lot of people he was born in 1736 in villadas in sineloa uh mexico which was priorly new spain it said he went to alta california in 1769 and on to monterey in 1770 we were told by a descendant that he was with father uh junipera seara in the late 18th century establishing missions we know that his parents were francisco pereda yars and rosa blana lopez parish records were not available online to look further for his family unfortunately now anasio buena ventura arse was born in 1790 in presidio de laredo vaha california and baptized on the 14th of july um his parents were anasio maria de arse and maria monica aguilar the day after his birth his mother died and he was raised in laredo you know and this was just really sad his father remarried maria de juz from arrow and um but he'd only been married to maria monica for 11 months before her her death and so you know here he was tasked with trying to figure out a way to raise this this baby on his own and you know naturally of course remarried to have somebody that would help but we did find the um the baptism of the child and the death of the mother and this was a grandson of sebastian now we have remone raman lopez who was a difficult person to research um because there was more than one person with his name so you know we were talking about this before we started a course and it's hard when you have a very common name and a lot of people in the same area have the that name and you're trying to sort through it so we actually had a small team of wiki triers that worked on this throughout the entire week um he's been tentatively identified as remone lopez son of remone lopez and inas mendez of uh ultar sonora mexico now reyman is believed to be the father of at least two of the children of mikaela calzada although they probably didn't marry we didn't find any indication that they had married uh remone lopez died of a brain hemorrhage in 1953 in his home the death certificate recorded that he was 64 years old unmarried and a carpenter and this was interesting the church register had a column to record which sacrament you know the deceased have received in their lives and his was sin auxilios which means that to the knowledge of the priest he had never received any sacraments whatsoever so no baptism um no communion no confession no marriage nothing in those branches we found simpherosa ruiz she was born in spain for children francisco and jose were born in spain and isabel amelia and isabel were born in cuba and then william in new mexico with a family finally settling in arizona so this was just definitely a very well traveled uh relative of his and she's five degrees from remone as a reminder that genealogy often lets the skeletons out of the closet we have bero salazar murietta now bero's first husband was Guillermo william mata their divorce was most likely due to the fact that he had a son with someone else as the same time as her son so they were both called william mata they were both born in 1940 now her son died in 1940 you know which that tragedy may have added to that too that's such a difficult um unbelievably difficult thing for a mother and william was a singer in an orchestra later in an orchestra leader he went on to marry again he had a couple more children with rosanna reiza he also married eluiz guenzalas which also ended in divorce and then married amparo charino which he had children with also and died in 1988 and so you know i would just say um this man was a lot like my father and he had a big heart is what i call that he had lots of love to share with these women out there so no no judgment whatsoever and vera is three degrees from remone lopez through her second husband manuel pelzada murietta for the sixth starting person we had francisco felix rodriguez who was born in douglas arizona and died in riverside california his parents and stibling's names were provided to us an additional generation was added to their earliest ancestor lon rodriguez and there are clues to take these ancestors further um you know once again we're working within the week's time span and when we do out the generations we try and make sure that we have it well sourced and that is a you know a valid proven connection and so it you know they can only we can only get so far in the week but we do try and we do leave clues hoping that'll help you get those ancestors even further back now it was a little bit complicated by the fact that there were two jose marie rodriguez's in san velo ventura at the same time so detail notes have been left and links to the sources so that you can sort out you know the two men and um see which records belong to which now in his branches we had roman lozano demingas who served as a private first class in united states army during world war two he was captured during the battle of the bulge and he was a prisoner a war for four months during his enlistment he received two purple hearts a good conduct medal a victory medal the european african middle eastern theater ribbon and three bronze battle stars and then the american theater ribbon and here you can see the connection roman is six degrees from francisco felix rodriguez and then finally we had desiderio jesse gonzalez who was born in gallup new mexico the son of benjamin gonzalez and margarita gonzalez this line had already been extended to his grandparents by a descendant according to their family lord desiderio and joy telling them he was mescalero apache some of his ancestors were actually expanded by quite a lot so some of the earliest were francisco antonio jarviso being born in 1779 in new mexico which is saying something and um gene mercia which is on the griego line we actually have been born in 1520 in spain so you know there was a um some really distant ancestry coming from different locations now the university of mexico has a listing of early new mexico ancestors which are natives and really for the descendants here it would be definitely worth your time looking through these to try and find his ancestors in it and i know you know we looked through some it's a lot it's a really detailed set of list and we look through some of it and it looks like you know you're going to find a number of lines that are actually in the indigenous uh native lines and so for a desiderio i would say there's a strong likelihood that he is native mescalero apache on several lines now for him i chose an ancestor that seemed kind of indicative of many families and in that area at that time a deal uh sanchez was born in 1874 his family moved to arizona when he was about 15 years old he married and started a family there supporting them with his own farm he lived there to his death for a total of 73 years now um he and his wife reyes had four sons and eight daughters so they did have a large family they took in a troubled teen as a foster child and he was eventually survived though this was interesting by 33 grandchildren and 42 great grandchildren and i yeah i'll tell you what as a grandmother of 12 i can't imagine i'd be like okay put name tags on all the grandbabies because i'm not there's no way i remember all them names and you definitely have to have a calendar uh for the birth dates but you know definitely left a legacy of love and family behind and then for the relationship here we have um they're actually first cousins and so that shows the connection and who their common ancestor is through maria manuela topia and then whether we support wars or not our veterans gave their all to support and protect our countries and because of this we like to acknowledge at least a few of them from the us civil war we have a hosé guadalupe legos who was a native new mexican military leader a country sheriff rancher and politician in 1854 he served as brigadier general in the volunteer mounted militia of new mexico and that was formed to protect the communities against the native american attacks prior to the battle of gloria to pass he was a union field and a staff colonel in the civil war and he is six degrees from core grumbles we have f from kelly caldwell who according to his obituary entered the army in um 1861 he served in the first nebraska cavalry fought through the war rebellion and the western indian troubles he was discharged in 1866 with the rank of first sergeant he has five degrees from cora and cora was connected to a lot of people she really was um lorenzo sanchez served as corporal company e of the new mexico infantry he was at fort apache when he was injured loading away again breaking his left clavicle lorenzo's five generations from desiderio being his great grandnephew we have jose helario chavez who served as a private in company e second regiment new mexico volunteers then transferred to company d first regiment new mexico cavalry he was soon hospitalized and then deserted now he's the first soldier i've seen who was sentenced to confinement for deserting he was then returned to his unit after less than a year of confinement and assigned as part of the army escort that forced the navajo from their homelands to the reservation and you know so usually um usually there were were other things that they did to punish people that had deserted and you know and people desert for many reasons and i have to say like i know in my husband's family at one time um you know grandma got sick and they all deserted from their various units and went home and visited grandma and then they went back you know so it's not like they were saying oh i don't want to be military anymore i mean there's just you know 101 reasons why somebody would leave sometimes they just wandered off and got lost and so they weren't counted in the rosters anymore and then our research started in both the united states and mexico but here you can see all the other countries we wound up in and you know it should be fun for descendants to see where their own ancestors were this is always so much fun for me and amazing because you know we know that people migrated and people traveled and family members wound up in different locations um but every time we do this challenge we find people in just all corners of the world and so every one of those dots is somebody that's within you know the seven degrees of our seven starting people and they really were just spread all over and then on wiki tree we're all cousins by blood or marriage so there's 29 million six hundred and ninety two thousand eight hundred and sixty two cousins on wiki tree alive or not that's a lot of connections and if you have any questions about the presentation or wiki tree you can find us on facebook twitter or wiki tree dot com um don't forget to like the video subscribe to our channel and then while the image credits play i'd like to take a minute to thank all of the incredible wiki treeers uh you know like jay said there were more than 50 people working on these lines and it's just so much fun to see the collaboration that is always going on at wiki tree but you know really highlighted when we get together for a challenge like this and jay uh you did such a great week as a captain and you know of course we appreciate the organization for working with us and giving us this chance to um you know highlight both of our groups and how they can work together did you guys have any questions uh i have a question um this was a very interesting um time to sit here and look at through all the different um participants and i just wanted to know if you will be doing this again or uh we'll um just the one and only time that that you will for looking at these particular ancestors you mean or or any other ones that oh we do this uh we do this every other week so we have a different organization the one that follows yours uh is actually the genealogical society of south africa and then after that is kentucky genealogical society so sometimes they're bigger organizations you know we did the uh no we did any hgs so national historic genealogical association earlier in the year um we've done northern ireland sometimes they're smaller and more specific like kentucky but yeah we do this every other week and so um you know and and it's all volunteers coming together and doing this research so really amazing and you're always welcome willing to join us okay thank you appreciate it that was this was very interesting yeah i wasn't aware of wiki tree i you created awareness i mean this is pretty cool i don't know if a lot of our members know about the service this is this is like uh like a crowded source of helping people because a lot of us reach uh brick walls and we give up you know we're like ah it's i we've done so this is really interesting how it's a collaborative uh project to get people to to work together to to go over those brick walls that we we tend to hit yeah you know and we not only have projects that are very specific on location so we have a mexican project you know we have an england project um we have notables we have all these different projects but we also have our forum and that genealogist to genealogist forum so i can get stuck and say you know i can't find the second marriage of my great great grandfather so and so and give the link to his profile and put it out in the forum and you know four or five people will jump in and go oh wait but is this the record or you could try this record set you know i have this resource and so it really is a great way to try and get past those brick walls and i tell you what they have broke down um people on wiki tree some really difficult ones for me and several of them were doing that just going out to the g2g and saying i need help you know and we kind of got together and talked and they gave me ideas of things to look at and hashed it out um really really powerful stuff i noticed that you have said thank you oh i went to your website to the wiki tree and you have like celebrities so like tina turner and you can actually see a lot of the stuff there which is very interesting so but but thank you again sorry about that well you're i just wanted to say thank you thank you for for selecting us and for letting us participate and i i agree with michael um this has brought awareness uh to specifically to our organization because we don't we don't use wiki tree we um use family search or ancestry those are the big popular ones um but now now we have awareness now we're going to uh suggest this platform to our members and um i definitely can see some of us participating in these challenges to help other people so i just want to say thank you and um yes just like willy said if if there's any other way we can participate again maybe next year during another week we can select other people we have a lot of members that were and we had a lot of interest um around this a lot of members giving us names um of brick walls or or they've just gotten started so i just want to say thank you thank you jay it was a great job thank you mindy this was this was amazing thank you yeah you're very welcome cindy our pleasure and you know once again that's what we want to do is i mean this is our uh partially our amount of community outreach so we can go out and highlight other societies and you know at the same time still bring awareness of what we can do on wiki tree to help others and you know and it is all free there is a lot when you first start looking at wiki tree it looks like a lot but you know there's just so many people you can ask questions of or get help from um you know it doesn't take any time at all to get used to the format being a little bit different yeah it could be a little overwhelming at the very beginning i mean but there's always something to learn it's amazing like uh i'm sort of stuck with what i was doing little by little and if you do that and stick with what the the tree that you're working on and expand as your interests come up like i didn't have my dna there at first and it's amazing the dna tools there so you can actually click between people that are supposed to be related to the same ancestors and you can see those matches of the dna snippets and it's it really is like michael said it's crowdsourcing for genealogy it's a really collaborative effort people who really like genealogy i'm glad because i do a lot of help i think i think when you do the dna that uh that really helps like my my husband said he was related to lucky bowwin and i laughed at him well he's been gone now and i did the dna on my son and he's related he's related to but some bowwin people about 20 people the first people that came up i says what so that's when i started tracing back his family so yeah it's fun yeah and it's amazing the tools we have nowadays that you know that we didn't have 20 years ago um and just to improve so much every year it seems like something gets better and more records are available and so you know really a lot of fun i mean i know genealogy is a passion of mine but i love to see more people get interested and especially our younger children um you know younger generations rather take up the baton and and start gathering interest in that and and researching so it's really good to see well i want to thank you all again for joining me here today