And we're back. We're back. Look at that. Boy, I sure do. I sure don't like that app when I first noticed. That was really good.  Oh, that is amazing. I was like, wow, how many times has it been? And then it just keeps going and going. And I'm like, wow, it really is just like the writer's like emergency escape hatch button for a plot. And so they're just like, oh, we need something to happen. Someone gets captured and they hit that button a lot. They hit that button a lot. Das remembered them all. I think he had the help of a witch or something. I don't know, because he's a pretty big Batwoman fan. So yeah, he is. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of Batwoman plot lines more so than the writers. Absolutely. Certainly. Also, we're joined by the meme repository. Hello. Hi, how are you? I'm here. Hi, hi, hi, hi. Hello. And I'm. Hello. All right, there you go. Hi. Hey. Yeah, we're here now. Yeah. We have the potential for a lot of different potential things to cover. I'm just thinking, you know, with who we have, it's just obvious that we could probably talk about basically anything. But I would like to shake it up, which is truly what we would be doing by doing this and talk about it about Marvel. Shake it up. Oh, we're full. Oh, we got some of that. Oh, I think you're right. Hey. What was that when you said something I couldn't hear? We haven't done that yet, I think, all day. Annually true.  We've talked a lot about Lewis. It's true. Lewis. Lewis, Lewis. So in what way are we going to talk about Marvel? We're going to talk about it all. It's been a while, actually. A content creator that is a favorite of the show and he is talking about good ol' Quantum Mania now. Oh, I love Quantum Mania. Yeah, you guys might be familiar. It's one of my favorite movies. So this is the wonder. Oh, wait a minute. Is everyone in the watch together? No. Yes. I will provide the link. There you are. Wonderful. There we go. This is... Is someone saying Film Roberto? No. Film Romanto. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. No. Yeah, we're going to check in on what he believes to be the case for good ol' Quantum Mania versus Ant-Man. This is a video called... Ant-Man Quantum Mania. How to build a cinematic cash grab anatomy of a failure. Oh, my. It's a very video essayist. How to build a cinematic cash grab anatomy of a failure. Yeah, this is going to be giving us insights into how Quantum Mania was such a fuck-up. Well, but why are we watching this, though? I mean, surely we'll... I mean, we'll just be us going, yep, yep, that. I think it's about time we covered a video we agreed with. They've all been pretty bad today, okay? Yeah, they have all been pretty bad. And this is Filminto, so we don't have to set the bar high or anything. I'm sure you'll clear it unless he says something mean about Lewis. Or he won't. I doubt Lewis will even come up in this video. I hope so. All Ant-Man all the time. Yeah, let's delve in. We begin with 2015. 2015. The music's pretty loud, do we want to... I'm surprised he got away with the music. Like, if he's played it for the... In Trunk of Time or not? Look at him. Oh, my God. I guess he's covered now because he's got the... The kazoo. Well, wait, yeah. How familiar are you with Ant-Man 3? I haven't watched. I've seen the previous two. You saw Mahler's video on it, right? I've listened to about an hour of it so far. Wow. All right, well, you know... I used to think you were a true fan, but that's okay. You know, when you release a 40-minute video, I watch it straight away. It's a long video. Holy s***. Didn't expect to see your protege again after... What happened to you? And the Tommy of a Failure... He's got a Filmento book. That goes over all of the film perfection. He wrote a book? One told the Filmento video... Half-Man and the Wasp Quantumania is the 31st MCU movie in which everyone's favorite ant-oriented Marvel superhero gets sucked down to the mysterious quantum realm to do things we all love to see. Things like wandering around aimlessly and stumbling into quirky half-characters without real substance and being... Hey, no, that is great! That is cool. We love that. That is great. This podcast stands for Veb. If that is a Veb, we're big fans of Veb. If that is a Veb. Yeah. We are Veb. He's Veb and he's interesting and he's a zany, wacky fella. That's right. This is the Veb Club. We've got jackets. We are pro-veb here. We are pro-hull. Being hedon by Living Broccoli. What's your story then? And as a whole, Quantumania is another not-so-good new MCU entry... Oh, it's awful. Not so good. Another not-so-good. That's not a very generous... Look what he did to him. He gave him the rocks and made a splat. And take off the visor. Take off the visor, Kang. It's galsplumpy. The list. Probably one of the worst so far. There are things to laugh at, sure. But even those, mostly for the wrong reasons. It's based on Marvel's own Black Adam and Shazam 2. I know it's not. Black Adam is better than this. Absolutely. True. Black Adam is... Shazam is better than this. Not by much, but... Shazam's absolutely better than this. Shazam 2. Shazam 2. I mean, Shazam 2 sucks, right? It's a better than this. It's better than this. Shazam 2. What was the best part of Shazam 2? If you had to be like... I can't remember. There was something in there. At some point, maybe. At the very beginning, when they turn everyone to stone, that's kind of spooky. Maybe. It seemed not making any sense, though. It didn't. That's part of what makes it so spooky, is how little sense it makes. What is the scene in that film that has no flaws? When Wonder Woman appears and saves Shazam. That was a great scene. I legitimately don't know what scene I'm talking about. Oh, Wonder Woman. This video came out for the flash, right? Because it feels like the flash might be a good example to point to in DC of like, Yeah, this is... This is about as bad as it gets. There's not much rank going on here. Force failure being that it's a shameless cash grab. And before I unleash the rage of the MCU fanbase... No, I wouldn't call it a shameless... Shameless... Crack. A shameless cash grab. I wouldn't call it that. I wouldn't call it that. I don't think I would. At the very least, it being a shameless cash grab isn't why it's bad. That is... You can have shameless cash grabs that are good. Who's that? You okay? Oh my... Oh my gosh. Did you knock over some anime? What happened? Eel deer? Just a cup. Thank goodness. It sounded very loud and dramatic. Yeah, it's made of steel. Steel cups. I feel like every MCU movie really wants to make money and they're all pretty... Absolutely. Which is why highlighting this one as a cash grab just feels like... Any more so than any of the other ones that they made over the last couple years? They were grabbing cash with Endgame, okay? Well, let me ask this. The cashiest grab-iest... What is the cash-y grab-iest movie in the MCU? Like a legacy sequel from like 40 years ago where they bring back the old cast. Well, multi-burst it was... Love and Thunder probably, right? Tycho was just like mine.  Yeah, he definitely didn't. Meanwhile, I think one could argue that Peyton Reed and Jeff Levinas had some level of that they'd made art here. Yeah, probably. Obviously, Tycho I think wouldn't have told you that.  It's crazy. The Adam Sandler approach, I guess. It's too much. Let me explain. The reason Ant-Man Quantumania is a cash grab is because it's not an Ant-Man movie so much as it is another Marvel movie that happens to feature Ant-Man. That isn't actually... That is not what makes it a cash grab. That doesn't make any sense. There are a lot of films that are in the MCU that feature Ant-Man that aren't about him that aren't... Yeah, he's in Civil War. Well, the really awkward... The thing is, you can't remove Ant-Man or any of the Ant-Man world from this film and still have it be recognizable at all. They are like a hugely important part of the film. There's five Ant-Man characters and Janet is tied at the hip to Kang. Usually it feels like when we make a statement like this it's that you could remove them specifically and it wouldn't change much, but you remove them, you change the movie completely. Could one argue you could switch out Janet for anyone and switch out Ant-Man for anyone? Sure, but I guess you'd have to make big tweaks though, right? Because they want to make a big deal out of the shrinking tech as a big plot element. But I guess you'd have to figure out... It's in the quantum realm. I think that's the big thing that's difficult to overcome. Which is definitely tied to Ant-Man. And maybe the Ant-Man sort of realm. I guess the only thing I imagine that you'd be appealing to is that Kang is beyond Ant-Man in terms of his relevance to the MCU going forward. But that doesn't seem like... It would almost be like with Thor, right? Thor and Loki being set up for Avengers. I guess you'd make a better argument there obviously because Loki is a Thor villain. But I would say this is not the source of this film's problems. Also, can you call this movie a cash grab if it didn't even do a cash grab? A cash grab is how it's made and what they're wanting. It doesn't have to succeed. They need a cash grab. Something's failed because they are cash grabs. Okay, I suppose. Yeah guys, you don't have to be so mean. It wasn't made because the filmmaker thought there's more to be done with this character and more to explore with this world. No, it was made because Marvel is a machine in need of another movie and... It's true. They used to fault them for... They used to be able to do that and tell the stories. What I'm saying is that them wanting to keep pushing them to forward isn't the reason it's bad necessarily. Yeah, I'm not going to blame it for wanting to keep making movies to make money. Complicated. His argument there isn't so much that it's meant to make money. It's that it's meant to make money without pushing the character forward. There's nothing else to say, right? There's no story that needs to be told. That's his argument. The thing is you can find more stories to tell about Scott. You could have more. Or Cassie. That meant a lot of bad choices in this film. I would absolutely agree, absolutely. But that is his argument, is that there was nothing else left to say about him. Is that what he was going to say? I think so, yeah. I think that's what he was saying. It wasn't made because the filmmaker thought there's more to be done with this character and more to explore with this world. No, it was made because... He said that's what... It wasn't made because they thought that. The filmmaker. He's describing that their motivation would not have been let's tell more Scott stories. Let's make another Ant-Man movie. Let's make another movie and Ant-Man will be in it. It speaks to a problem that I feel exists with especially Disney, which is that the project exists before the idea for a story. It's like we are in Ant-Man film. Let's find the people to make the film regardless of whether we have any ideas. Yeah. We're going to change our mind on what we want to be like eight times. Making it so. Yep. Marvel is a machine in need of another movie and Ant-Man is one of the established characters they have left and the Quantum Realm is another mandatory CGI world they can put in it. That's mandatory CGI world. With Marvel, I don't know how it works with every project but like they knew they wanted to do something in the Quantum Realm. They wanted to do a complete tonal shift from the other two. So they wanted more like a sci-fi Quantum Realm adventure and then they wanted potentially to use Kane the Conqueror as the villain. And because of that, no matter. None of that has anything to do with it being a cashcrab or terrible. I don't think he's going to have much to prove it's a cashcrab beyond the fact that it's just a Marvel movie that's making a lot of money.  Like we don't know. We're just doing stuff. Meanwhile, the one you would find the most evidence is probably Thor Love and Thunder. What?   Why it ended up as bad as it did. But if this movie was good, you know, and it took place in the Quantum Realm and it was a sci-fi adventure and it had Kane in it, but it was all good. Would he be calling it a gameless cashcrab? I don't think so. There might be a validity to calling it a cashcrab still in that environment. Maybe. Who knows? You were like, we want money. We'll give it to autists that can make it good so it makes more money. We'll get something good, I guess. Yeah, because Disney is like the creatives or the executives up there, they can say do a thing, but the actual creative people can really do something with it. They can care about it, especially because their name is attached to it into perpetuity.  The thing is that his argument here makes no goddamn sense, because it's just the ideation phase. It's saying, hey, we want you to make a movie about Ant-Man and have it in the quantum realm with this enemy, and that's his argument for why it's a cashcrab, is that they gave them a basis for a story and said, go make a story. That's not enough for it to be a cashcrab. Certainly not as a standout to all the Marvel. No. It's not the commissioning phase, isn't it? I feel like there is definitely room for things to go wrong with we are going to have these projects happen, and especially if Marvel says you need to set them in these locations, because if you have it be you need to make an Ant-Man film. It needs to be set in the quantum realm where Janet was, and you need Kang. That already presents a challenge for you, which is why didn't Janet say anything as a problem that you now, it's like, oh, well, she did say something years before, like in the timeline. It's just like you don't have total freedom, which doesn't necessarily mean that you're screwed, but you can be locked into certain problems, especially if you don't have access to other characters that you might necessarily need for your story just based on its premise alone. I disagree with that. It shouldn't exist. Like what? There's probably, if you look through film history, there's probably plenty of really good movies that shouldn't quote-unquote shouldn't have existed, but the people who were put in charge of the creative process worked hard and they came out with good movies and they were good actors. Andor was baffling for a long time as a project that existed. Yeah, that shouldn't exist. Andor really? And then look at how it turned out. It turned out great. I'm looking at the Nickelodeon slime. That's true. It is pretty overwhelming. It is an overwhelming thing. I think this is the Rotten, right? The Rotten symbol for Rotten. Yes. A lot of people felt that Terminator and Alien, those stories are told and done and they're great and they don't need sequels. And then, is the famous story not that James Cameron put the word alien on a white board and then drew a dollar sign after the and making aliens? Oh my God. I didn't know that. Imagine he said in that moment like we are going to be doing a cash grab lads. It'd be like, okay, but you could still make something great, like one of the greatest movies of all time, maybe? I don't know. You can totally do it. Someone said like, but there's one and done. Alien is a told story. It's like, okay, but I could do another one. It doesn't matter how good it is, because it shouldn't exist. Yeah, that's such a weird thing. I have a problem with that. I like the Lego movie. I think that's an enjoyable film and arguably it's the cash grabbiest of cash grabs. Before it came out, there was certainly the feeling of, wow, really? But they turned it into something really cool. Yeah. So like, I don't even think that, I think his core premise here is immediately flawed. Yeah, I mean, I basically, because it always comes down to whether it is actually good or bad, how well written it is. It was a great story. You wouldn't be saying this, even holding everything else true. If they somehow pulled it together and made it work, you'd be saying it was, it'd be good and you'd feel it was good and this wouldn't matter to you. I think he put the part before the horse because it's like, why is this movie, why don't I like this movie? Because it's a cash grab.   This is a cash grab. That's why it's bad. Not that it's bad. And it's a cash grab.  So, yeah.  I have no one with a life, certainly. He's using, there's like this three-prong element of after the movie's out and after the fact, it one, wasn't good as a movie. It was terrible. Two, it didn't make money. And three, not many people will ever defend it.  It's squarely in that kind of territory. Yes. Aspect poisons, everything here. Ant-Man the character isn't Ant-Man anymore. Ant-Man the movie isn't an movie anymore. And the whole thing basically exists just to serve the new villain in a superficial manner. Does it really serve him? Not really from what I saw in your video, Mola. Not really.  He's a clown. He's a clown character. Win. Do you think the writers think that this served King? Yes. But they also think it served Ant-Man. Remember, the writer thought that this was Janet Van Dyne's Unforgiven. Ugh. Oh, Jesus Christ. He said that. He did. They also compared this for him to Lord of the Rings and Stones. They said it more than once, by the way. Yes. But I guess there's a spaceship looking thing in it, I guess. They compared Mordok's death to Baramir, but they said the main difference is that no one likes Mordok and that he doesn't deserve anything. They didn't realize that Mordok was unwittingly the best character in the film. He goes, he has an arc. He has an arc that is somewhat coherent.  And what heals the deal is like, I'm bad. Maybe you shouldn't be bad. And then he goes, you're right. What a great arc. Look, I said the best interpretation I have of that is that he was already, he was just looking to tune. He didn't want to be a bad guy.  To be fair, he's got a big face. He does have a big face. Yeah, because in the commentary they said we should have had a joke where they tried to close his eyes, but they were really heavy, so it was hard. It's like, dude, he just saved the multiverse. Who cares? He's got a big head. He saved more people than Tony Stark. He did. He saved infinitely more people than Tony Stark. By the way, you can tell by their attitude, they ain't going to tell Earth about that. No, his sacrifice would be in vain. Well, no, not in vain. He saved it, it's just that nobody would know. Which kind of makes him even more of a hero. Yeah, the fact that he's an unsung hero. He is an unsung hero. And so today, what I thought would be useful to do is to look at Quantumania through this cast grab lens and try to understand why it's Ant-Man in name only. Why exactly it's hero and content and point of existence are ruined. Okay. As you're showing the villain, flick away Ant-Man and the Wasp, because they've gone super small and they're using their powers. Also, we have the same thought with me that we're so familiar with the visuals in this film that that felt like he was breaching the time. That felt too long. I was watching that. Believe me, I have to like a full, however long of me having to do this to avoid copyright. It's like a trigger.  If the clip is like four seconds long, I'm already feeling like, oh, Jesus. Like, no, that's a vlog. Not only to learn why it failed, but also to know what to look out for with your own movie. Why did he put Ant-Man on the... It's too long. Let's pause. Also, yeah, I guess we're going to learn how to avoid the failure that is Ant-Man. We're going to avoid cash grabbing in our own movie. This was made by a DC double agent working at Marvel. No, this was written by Marvel, Lily. That's funny as fuck, yeah, because you know that if Jeff Loveness and Peyton Reed heard that, they'd be like, I... No. No, I mean, that's silly. It's in keeping with Phase 4's shitty quality. Yeah. Fits right in. It was a DC. Like the DC sabotage operation. It's so funny if it was true, though. There was a double agent. He got all of his sabotaging plans in, but they just happened to be things that Loveness and Reed agreed with. He was like... I thought we were really good ideas. Let's make it so that Scott doesn't want to help people anymore. They're like, that's great. He's like, yeah? Okay. Great.  Yeah, the DC guy goes back to, you know, DC HQ and he's just like, I sabotaged him. Wait, they're making nobody?  It makes sense. I think you guys need to give this theory a bit more credit because let's consider DC makes shitty movies, right? So they think, alright, well, somehow we can only make terrible movies. So if we plant one of our creatives within the competition, they'll make shitty movies too. We can't bring ourselves up, but we can drag them down. That guy is like, you want me to sabotage them? He's like, no, work really hard to create great things. That will sabotage them. You're so good at our usual standard and it will work. No, no, be bad ironically. Yeah, yeah, dude, go do that. If you try to deliberately sabotage them, you might make something good by accident. So don't do that. Be yourself. You're not may not be too far from the truth because the couple low ranking people I know at Warner's have told me that there is an ex DC Warner's person now pulling the strings. Really? He's got sources. That's a lie. Trust me, bro. We're at that level right now. My contacts at Warner Brothers assure me the saboteurs at higher levels of operation. I can't reveal their name. These sources are low level insiders though. Why would they have some guy? Why would Warner Brothers what a contact? That just means they used to work at DC that doesn't mean like they're active. They're pulling the strings, buddy. They have a permanent allegiance of blood oath to Warner Brothers. I will serve you. I will serve you beyond the confluence. It's like a stovia. That's Marvel, a person you have heard of. Even though it may mean trouble, it's incredibly exclusive of who that is. Oh my god. That's exciting. I don't want to get too much trouble because in order for that expose to make sense, my cash grab argument has to make sense first. No it doesn't. You could have just told us who it is now. You don't have to wait until the end of the video.   I'll reveal it. Yeah, but little does he know. We were going to watch this whole thing anyway. He was feeding jokes on him. Yeah, we showed him. So here's why Quantamania is a cash grab and how to not make your project the same. Alright. Here we go. I love that he always frames his videos as writing advice because he has some of the wildest ones. Well, the book that he's written I'm pretty sure is structured similarly to the... It's all the lessons he's come to learn across all the movies. Each chapter will be like this film, this lesson, this film, this lesson, and the chapters like Tomorrow War. And the Vietnam War. That's not something to believe. Dude, that was crazy. I mentioned the Vietnamese. The man's got some opinions, you know? That's exciting. And you didn't even need Nebula to upload those ones. They weren't censored. He got away with it. Gimmick Man. Wow, that's not clever at all. Firstly, the reason Ant-Man the character isn't Ant-Man anymore is because he has lost his defining personal specificity to the point of becoming Ant-Man. His defining personal specificity. His defining personal specificity. His defining personal specificity. That's a that's a Bob-ism right there. It is a Bob-ism. It's something because the answer is so straightforward if this were a decent script. It would just be like, Scott isn't Scott. How do we know this? Well, his arc in this film is learning that he needs to help people. That's absurd. That's not Scott at all. Or you could just say he lost his defining characteristics. Yeah, that would be it. No, he lost his defining specificity.  That's why he's not Ant-Man. Well, he can shrink and grow. Well, we're about to find out.  Yeah, he's just trying to sound smart. Yeah. Oh, boy. To introduce what I mean, look at the beginning where you may notice that the things that made Scott Lang, Scott Lang don't exist anymore. That's basically just a guy living his life with the ant-man. Do you want to put like the copyright? It is a worry.  But people like acknowledging that he's a hero, but that makes sense though. Well, sorry, I didn't catch exactly what he was saying. I'm sure rolling back. To introduce what I mean, look at the beginning where you may notice that the things that made Scott Lang, Scott Lang don't exist anymore. He's basically just a guy living his life with the added fact that he's ant-man. He can do that. That's okay. He's allowed to do that. He leads a life that is normal. He did that in the other movies too. He doesn't exist anymore because he's got a real personality. The opening of that had nothing to do with ant-man tech or superhero stuff specifically. He was just hanging out with his daughter. Yeah, if I was ant-man or whatever. Yeah, I'd be hanging out with my family and then you'd have the stuff of whenever I go out in public, people notice me, they maybe pay for my food, they call me, they say, hey, it's ant-man. Oh my gosh, they ask for a selfie or whatever. What doesn't happen to real celebrities? All of this stems from him being ant-man and having saved the universe. All of what's happening here is about him being ant-man. He's not doing ant-man stuff right now, but it's all having to do with him being ant-man. How does it feel to defend this movie? This film was awful, but you can still be wrong in the way that you say that it's bad. Oh, we know how that works. With people loving him for saving the world with the Avengers. How dare they? And basically every scene being about him being a hero in the MCU. Why are you trying to... What's the problem? In the MCU? No, in universe though. Maybe that is what he means. I'm just waiting for him to tell me what's the problem. Captain America. How did the hawk turn me in? Dude, the music. He doesn't have the music. Yeah, why is the music so loud that it drowns out the words of what you're trying to... What is the point? Captain America. Which can be funny and kind of the point here, but it also leaves Scott himself in the end of the point. That's not... Okay, this is so weird, because that book is written by and as Scott Lang talking about his values in this moment, which by the way is one of the few moments in the film that's okay. Coming up with my daughter and I will save the world when needed. That's Scott Lang. It's part of the point. It is the point of the... I'm confused. What exactly is it that separates him as a person from the noise of all the other MCU heroes?  His daughter is a good version of this would play really hard into the angle of his connection with his family. The Langel. The Langel. And that of all the MCU people he's most positioned to lead somewhat of a normal life, or he's one of them anyway. He's got a big family. He's very like, almost a chill and personable, charming. He's trying to inspire people with his book. This is all very...  And then there's also that the film that's happening here.  Did you hear as well that it's apparently lore now that he was asked by Hawkeye and Hulk to make this book? Oh, is it? Yeah, apparently they asked him to do an account of it.  They keep making everything worse, but that's fine. Whatever. Oh, people ask him why apparently it's something to do with like, so we have an accounting of the events in a public sense and they figured Scott was the best one for it. I don't know. You know how this works. They hire people, they did sort of where they've got to like bind everything that's made by all these disparate teams with no understanding or respect for each other. And so he's like, why did Scott write the book and who told him to it? It's like, oh, frick. I guess. That's someone we bring out whenever we need someone to do whatever. Bodies are funny, plus many other things. Okay, what are we doing? Scott's funny, but so is Tony. But they're not funny in the same way. They're not funny in the same way. Look at the characteristics he's got for Tony.  He hasn't been an arms dealer. Billionaire isn't a personality trait either. No, well, yeah, exactly. He's a little bit more complicated than that. Why isn't like, why isn't actually like selfless in here? He's a pretty, like when it comes to the big moments, he's very selfless. Well, there's a lot more to Scott than funny. He's definitely got more going on than funny. He's a family man, like big time. He's one of the most selfless characters as well. He's, yeah. He's incredibly humble. You could, I think you could all use the most selfless character in the MCU. He's so humble. Like a lot of other characters. That he's an ordinary guy pulled into a crazy situation. Well, others are that way. Stallone isn't ordinary. In what way are you? Orphan isn't a character trait. Orphan is a characteristic. He's in love with a green alien. Yeah, everyone is. I don't think he's ordinary also. He's not ordinary. He's very extraordinary. His father was a god. Aren't you half celestial too? Yeah, I mean, this is what I mean. Do you understand what he's trying to do here is to be like, see, everyone else has these traits. So this is, you know, boring to say that Scott has these. Even though he has them, even if we agree that they shared the same traits, having these differing traits from different characters in this universe and having traits from different characters in this unique configuration is unique in and of itself. I love the idea that you're like, this man is funny. This man's an orphan. This man's like, wait, I'm sorry. What? Oh, my God.  Also, if you're going to say who is the most down-to-earth character in all of the MCU out of the heroes, probably would be Scott again. Probably Scott. Probably is. That's funny. I don't know. He's not as funny as he's more an orphan than he is funny. Orphan is funny. The orphan part really does get in the way of the funny. Yeah, if we pull down our character chart on the graph here, you can see the blue line representing funny is far lower than the green line, which is his orphanness, which is way higher. So just team leader, I guess so. Yeah, he's got leadership qualities to him. Which makes him just like Captain America. Why didn't he have genius for Tony? Like, he's an incredible engineer. Scott as a person has nothing to distinguish himself from all these other people. What are you talking about? That's really lame of you. Scott is unique. Sorry, he is. There's a bigger difference between Scott and Tony than there is between Tony and Stephen Strange, for example. Yes, they're a lot more alike. I would say Star Lord Tony and Stephen all have the ego problem. Like, as in that's a flaw for the character. Yeah, Scott's not at all. He stands out. He really does. Even though his films don't, and I mean, a lot of it's probably just Paul Rudd, Charisma, that character. He included Tony Starks, like, arms dealer, pass, but he didn't include, you know, Scott's thieving power. Exactly. And I will give him a little bit of allowance for this, but most people don't even know that Scott's like an advanced engineer.  He's an electrical engineer, isn't he? What I'm saying, most people don't even know he has those abilities.  We should probably watch Ant-Man 1 too, right? It seems like he may have, he had some clips in there. That's true, yeah. With the exception of being Ant-Man. And to bring context to this, even though Scott was never the standout MCU character, he initially had this specific But he lost them. He's lost the characteristics I see. Why say? Okay. Him. He was an ex-con master thief. Okay, there you go. So this is where it's gonna get complicated, right? Because do you have to bring that in in the future iterations of the character? Especially if he's far along and he's doing different things in his life. So not necessarily. Does he have to be stealing things? If he started out as a thief, does he need to be using those abilities in every one of his outings? Well, it feels like you could take advantage of the opportunity, but you could also be, it's a way to show that he's moved on from that life. That's not him anymore, you know? But the skills are transferable, I suppose, in terms of, you know, I would want to take advantage of it, for sure. But the thing is, the most important aspects to take from him are obviously gonna be his relationship with his family and how he feels about, you know, his selfless acts.  Like the idea that it's like, we needed to see him do more thieving.  It's like, I need you to steal something for me. It's like, no you don't. That's not at all what you need to have done. He's just shrinking it. That's all he's doing. No, that's what I'm saying. It's yours and you're getting him to get it for you. It's all theft. It's your property. You baby even has a chance to steal it. The main act is shrinking it and then Kang should have picked it up as soon as he shrunk it, to be honest with you. Yeah, exactly. He should have been, open up his portal, be right there and grab it. Who struggled to make things right with his daughter? The struggling dad aspect was carried through. It shouldn't have been a different kind of struggling fatherhood.  There's a little tangled up right now. This is not... Yeah. To steal something to fix things. To steal something to fix things. I feel like that's under master thief. I don't know why you're adding that in. It's also not a characteristic. He had to steal stuff to make things better. Again, wouldn't that be master thief? It should be. Wouldn't that just go into that category? This is a problem. It depends on how we're categorizing all of this. When we say he's humble, he's selfless, he's fun, he's charming. I feel like these things describe his characteristics as a person.  Yeah, that doesn't... What kind of master thief is he? Is he a gentleman thief? Or is he like a brooch? But no, we don't really get... Is he doing that for noble reasons? Is he a Robin Hood thief? Or is he a selfish thief?  Why would we... Why would we want to push felon life? He's definitely not a klept... Because remember, he stole to try and get money back to people who didn't get it. What he's trying to say here, is he trying to position him as if he's some sort of a kleptomaniac? I don't think so.  It's not the biggest... But this is the thing I was trying to say about the evolution of the character. Why would we have him risking felonies? That's not something that has to be a part of... He just saved the universe. Why would... What happens to him now doesn't necessarily entail felonies. I don't know why we have to have that. Yeah, if he doesn't need to steal anymore to survive, like he did. Yeah, and if you said, well in the first one they have to steal stuff from like the Avengers. And in the second one they have to steal stuff from... Deliath? And so you're just like, okay, but you don't have to make the film about that. No, you don't have to. You can always... The traits that you start with don't have to be the traits that you end with. You can always feel free to evolve and tackle new challenges with a character reveal new dimensions. Well, unless someone just mentions, well, he doesn't even want to do those things, so... No, that's the struggling dad part of it.  It's the felon life part as part of Master Thief and struggling dad because he does it because he's trying to make enough money to be able to see his daughter. So, yeah. Otherwise, the third one. Oh, what? I think it's Rags. He's gone. Rags, yeah. You bamboozled me. See your Rags in a second. No, it's not going to work. It's not going to work. We can worry about it. You're trying to bamboozle me. Hello? Yeah, it's Rags. See? Look at that. Rags disconnect. Go on. Off you go. Oh, it's gone for M. Wait, what? Me, Fringy, and Cap right now? And me, maybe? Hold on. Yeah, it's me, Cap, and Fringy. You're the only ones left, apparently. Oh, wow, okay. We're in Singapore, right? Oh, girl, everyone's back. I was scared. Thank you, Singapore. All right. Anyway. I was trying to trick me when you said Warrior. No, no. Oh, no. Bring it, come back. That's what separated him from the pack. Wait, wait, wait. Wait a second. Is Scott lying at Kleptomaniac? No. No. Because I was trying to get people's money back to them. It was... He's not like a thief as a trade. That's not like his lifetime trade. I never imagined him to be a Kleptomaniac. And I know that I don't really like Kleptomaniacs. Because I like... So Mento hasn't said he's a Kleptomaniac either? No. All right, I was wondering... Because someone had mentioned that. But I forget who it was, I suppose. Because I don't... I don't like Kleptomaniacs. Because I like puns, right? One of the other things is puns. And it's really tough to tell Kleptomaniacs puns because they take things literally. Oh my God. So we can carry on. Okay. Yeah, but that doesn't mean he has to do that in the third movie. It also doesn't make it as defining characteristic. No, and it's not... It isn't. It is a consequence of other things. It's so funny because the film awkwardly does force him into that. The film awkwardly says that he is a thief. That's why he got brought down. You've got to bring that up. Your video is an honest otherwise. It's two-fold weekend. On one hand, he's saying that that needed to be in this film and it's not, which is not true. It doesn't have to be in this film. But secondly, it is in this film very explicitly. It's in the end, right? It's like the second act. You've got to go and steal something from me. Oh, geez.   Oh, my God. I told you that. Why did you say that name? Why do the funds like call from inconsequential? Because his point... That was jail calling. Yeah, about his daughter, by the way. About his daughter, yeah, which is like family matter. You can't ignore that. You can't be like... This film doesn't have him running from or getting involved with the police. His daughter is short. It's like, well, that sounds like conflict, doesn't it? Why can't we do that? The daughter of a hero like him getting involved in police stuff. If this film was written well, like that is a... You can use it, yeah. That could have been the central family conflict around which the film is kind of based and from which thematics spew forth. Ew. But, yes. He's all over the place right now. This is what I feel like happens when you know it's bad. You can't figure out why. He's not a thief steering anything or a dad needing to fix things with his family or in any way. He absolutely is a dad who needs to fix things with his family according to the film. The problem is that the drama contrived him out of character, and it's like the film doesn't even recognize when it's all front loaded and then never dealt with. It was quite terrible. All of them thought very low of him at the beginning of the film and we never got to resolve it. We just made jokes about it. He's pretty much just Paul Rudd being Paul Rudd with the added fact that he has this gimmick of being Ant-Man. And the main issue... Stop saying gimmick. Stop saying gimmick.  Hulk. Hulk's gimmick is he's big and green and strong. It's like, okay, that's not really a gimmick. Or if it is, then I guess you can't say it derogatorily because it's just something everything has. Yeah. This lack of defining personal specificity creates is wrong. You keep saying that. You don't know what it means. I don't even know what he means. That it leaves Scott without purpose and thus the story He doesn't have purpose?  He has purpose. At least, you know, if you want to read the film's intentions, he definitely has a purpose. It's just, again, it doesn't really make any sense and it contradicts earlier films. But they say he doesn't have a purpose. It's wrong. Yeah, it's wrong. He has a purpose in this film. It's to reconnect with his daughter. That's like the point. Missing all of the actual flaws. He's just saying things. It's like a stick in a river carried wherever Marvel wants the river to go. He happens to be shrunk down to the quantum realm by someone else. He happens to be a... He happens to be shrunk down specifically because he is Ant-Man. Yeah, that's why it happened. They want his expertise. The quantum tech angle is there and it will be because of the family that he is a part of.  He's about to use the quantum jelly, son, but he fends it off. How is that not examples of his agency? Is it just because he's like, well, he was attacked by it for no reason at all? Okay. He's like a stick in a river carried wherever Marvel wants the river to go. He happens to be shrunk... Well, no, that's not a good example because the river is only...   Also, I mean, is he really complaining that the inciting incident is something that happens to him that instead of like something... Yeah, he didn't choose to jump down to the quantum realm so the film sucks. And that's not something I'm sure there's another film where he said that this was good that the inciting incident... I wouldn't be surprised. It gives the hero a sense of vulnerability, which is... Why do I sound like Ramon Salazar? You would have said it in a different way. You can flip it. Anyway, if you don't have rules, right? He needs to say whatever you want. Creatures down there and then he happens to be captured by locals and then captured by the villains henchmen and taken to the villain. Nothing about the story is driven by or even... So you're not going to mention the time where he does have agency then? Is that how you make that argument? It's cringe but when he's like, I'm not going to let that man do anything to my Cassie, I'm going to get him.  Are we just not going to talk about that?   So we're not talking about that part.  We need to keep this under 20 minutes. This is just a... I just feel sad because the editing here is very good. It's just in the service of a very bad script. I like some of his editing here. Yeah, the editing's great. The content is... The point is poorly made, poorly executed. Oh and someone just pointed out God damn it, that's true. Why don't I say that? Scott jumps in after Cassie. Oh yeah. I was wondering... Yeah, that's right. He's not sucked in. So yeah, you're just so wrong. Yeah. He only did that because the opportunity was presented by someone else. Yeah, he didn't make the portal open himself. He was reacting to the things around him. Yeah, of course.  Here I go. He's not a stick in a river anymore. We went over this before he even brought it up. You can't just have anybody. The whole point is that it's Ant-Man. This is unbelievable. How many times am I going to defend this movie when I just released a video about how it's one of the worst movies ever? Yeah, this is it.  You can't just have Captain America here.  What's he going to do? The whole point is you need to shrink tech. The criticism is that can can just take the shrink tech off him. He doesn't need Ant-Man. But he does need Ant-Man's tech.  He sued to someone else and the story would still function mostly the same. No, it wouldn't. It's not gross music. It is. It's Super Smash Bros. Ultimate music. I haven't played that game much, but I was like, I recognize the other variants from the other games. Basically every Smash Bros. game has a really great main theme. They just have good music in general. Wow. Amazing. But even their own. Their own music is great. Brawl had so many cool variations on that main theme. Yeah, it's really good. We can help each other with it. Ant-Man? That's kind of funny. Yeah, it is. That's my first street name. It's great. What's happened here, he's recognized the film is bad, much like everybody has, but somehow he's screwed up finding the actual problems. That's kind of funny. Main hero doesn't matter. The movie isn't made because of them, but instead, just to be made. And to be fair, the writers seem very aware of this. Since when Scott meets the villain, Kang, he's instructed to steal something for him. I thought you said that's not a thing in this movie. Wait. You don't want to bring that up. Oh no. You lied to me. And I was like, yes, he lied to me. Are you happy about this? Oh, okay. What's he going to say? Right, so essentially, the villain wants Scott to dive into his ship's blown-up engine to shrink it back down so he can use it, which is not stealing. Stealing is taking... This is a really minor point, though. Well, let's see where he's going, but I mean, he's right.  Because now what you're highlighting is that it was just badly written. It's not that they didn't involve the aspect you're looking for. But remember, the whole point of this is that he's trying to prove to us that this is a cash grab. So this point in some way is supposed to relate to this movie being a cash grab when this is just a bad line. This is the problem. He told us Scott Lang, he's a thiever, he's going to be doing some thievens. And you're like, okay. But they don't do that in this movie.  Cash grab, not paying attention to character. Now he's like, okay, yes, they did, yes, that's there, but it's not really what I would classify as thieving.  Your issue is just that they badly wrote a section in where he had to steal something. Yeah, just that they didn't they didn't write it well. Like if some spooky weird set of demons had the the call and Kang couldn't do anything to them for some reason, he's like, you got to get in there quietly and steal it. That was the section they just rewrote it to be that or whatever. Would you think the film is good? Or would it be about how well they executed that particular scene? Yeah, one without permission. It's breaking into someone's house or walking into a store to No, that's not stealing. Stealing it. No, that's that's trespassing. Well, describing trespassing or breaking and entering. You're not not stealing. I'm fine with him trying to acknowledge that in and among the active stealing from somebody you'll be able to break locks or something. That's obviously because this scene is him stealing from Hank where diving down into a CGI space to help someone with a problem is not that which again makes it painfully obvious that Master Thief Scott as a person has no value in the story and also the reason why use the skills of a the skills of a Master Thief might be very very handy in order to retrieve something that is yours. He needs it's tech. It is. It does belong. Yeah, I was. Yeah, but it's nothing about Scott's character that he needs. It doesn't need to need Scott's character. Yeah, but the way at least the way the film is written. Scott is the guy for the job.  It doesn't like, okay. No, it's like, okay, Scott and his companions have the technology to do the thing. Somehow, that's not the specific character trait that Filmento is saying earlier, right? It's so good. This video is so weird. It's so bad.  If it doesn't have that it's not an Ant-Man movie. It's a little high ship, but moments in which his particular proclivity for it is what helps push the plot along, like Scott particularly.  But you just assume that because it's like, well, that's the defining trait. So if he's not stealing shit, then it's not an Ant-Man movie. I would think that the defining trait is something that he does do in this film and is needed to do that thing. If anything, you can maybe make the argument that King is lying to him about needing a Master Thief just to get him involved. I mean, you could maybe make that argument, but he's not in this. He's just saying, oh, I need a Master Thief, but actually they're not stealing anything.  We all have to go through this every goddamn week. It seems to me that Filmento is trying to say that Kang should have needed him for something characteristically non-related to his tech, because who cares about that? That's like superfluous. Often again. But I appreciate the fact that he managed to point out that this isn't actually thieving, but I still think it's odds with his point that this film to be good and not a cash grab needs to have a moment that involves every, when it clearly the director and writer thought that they had that. So it's obviously about the execution, not about the presence. He isn't in any way built on him, aside from the fact that he has this gimmick of being Ant-Man. Yeah, so that's another reason why he's very wrong. Is it so tiring? He's actually like he's talented at being Ant-Man. You can still argue that that's a use for the reason why he has the tech, or the reason why Kang wants him to do it. Which is something you could have put in the movie by the way.   So it was the point. And it could have been a neat part of this thing if they're trying to have a classy little ant person then they could have like made it a thing in this movie where he actually has to teach your things throughout it and learn about the whole process of getting big and small and momentum and this and that and the other thing or something. But they do that for like four seconds. So that's checked off the checklist.  And so the point is that the only way to avoid being a cash grab on the character side is if there's defining value left in the main character to explore. Whereas with Scott Lang left in the character to explore. But you can have static characters.  Well, please tell the rest of us. His point is that the character of Ant-Man right?  I'm trying to figure out how I can say it in a way that it's not as stupid. I believe it. Go for it. Just play it back for me one second because I had it. I'm going to say it to you. And so the point is that the only way to avoid being a cash grab on the character side is if there's defining value left in the main character to explore. He is saying that by having Ant-Man by being Ant-Man and do Ant-Man type things that is not a defining character or a defining part of the character because he's not playing non-Ant-Man guy. I forget his character's name. Scott. So he's not playing Scott. He's playing Ant-Man. That's his argument here. What? This is what he's saying in this sentence is that because he's being Ant-Man and not Scott there's not enough characterization because he's being Ant-Man.  Okay, I get it. Is that what he's saying? Also, are you okay? No! I get the impression you got to where you are because of the whole like he's not using Scott characteristics, he's just using Ant-Man tech and that's why he's done him wrong. Which is incorrect as an assumption because Scott and Ant-Man's tech have been intertwined. There's nothing wrong with Scott being required because of the tech that he acquires which is by the way why he's dragged into Civil War which is totally viable. But what I got from this part is that he's saying is he about to say that there isn't anything left for Scott's character? I just want to let it play a little longer. Of being Ant-Man. And so the point is that the only way to avoid being a cash grab on the character side is if there's defining value left in the main character to explore with Scott Lang that well here is already dry. Whatever purpose Scott once had has already been served at the beginning. Wow! Yeah, there it is. He's never been a motivational speaker. We thought this was a position he had earlier but I don't think he'd quite said it, but now he has. Scott's dry. There's nothing else to do for him. How do you rest your creativity? Do you have to be to think that just because he's progressed as a character there's nothing left to explore? It's funny because this comes up in my video and I said it's like a tough thing to do but you can still always you might think he's peaked because he's saved the universe but that doesn't mean there's nowhere else to you just got to keep it within character. What can we do for him next? Yeah, he has no characterization left though. He's only Ant-Man. I mean he's got a lot of years left to live in his life. Nothing left to learn though Rex. Nothing left to learn though Rex. But there's always room to grow. So this is the thing right? Aging into a mentor role there's so many things you could do.   Yeah he's done he did his thing that's it.  No What no really? Rags being mean ol' mist of fish and chips right now I'm being a big ol' meanie big ol' meanie face I am just You know it's not often you get to say that you're flabbergasted but I'm flabbergasted This is something a lot of people end up saying I think it's fucking retarded like I said when they were making the sequels and they were like we're gonna make it about a bunch of new characters like cause the stories for Hanan Luke and Leia are obviously done and then they fucking ruin their stories in those sequels like thanks He did say that earlier too that introducing Kang and having a movie that introduces Kang is inherently bad because it's not about Ant-Man and it's like but he's introducing a new character what's the problem you can have new characters I think that a lot of people would probably tell you if Tony survived the snap where he killed Thanos and everything that would have been a bad move because there's nowhere else to take him his story's complete you know that's probably what a lot of people would find intuitive and it's like well there's obviously other things we can do with him there's obviously gonna be more challenges to provide any character He can react to the thing that he just went through Exactly, this is what I mean you could have it so it costs him like half of his body and he can't even move it imagine doing that to Tony and then he like starts to replace parts of it with you know tech like Iron Man stuff it's an there's obviously potentially more stories to tell but I think a lot of people intuitively will be like well no that story's done that character is done it's like okay I might even roll that out in certain circumstances especially if they've got a very very like thematically strong death like to undo it just to carry on the story would be lame but Scott, he's ready to go he's got to think of something instead of just going I give up it's funny isn't it? Filmento Filmento at the boardroom would have said I give up there's nothing we do for him and then fucking the chuckle fucks that made Quantamania said how about we make it so that he doesn't want to save people anymore yeah that's fun don't like that okay both of your ideas are crap so let's try something else yeah we could brainstorm for more than six seconds before we commit to the idea from our multiple hundred million dollar movie yeah it feels like you could just easily draw from real life where you go through a big massive life changing event it's almost like the quote-unquote peak of your life at that point and then life kind of I know this is kind of a miraculous and shocking and just really hard to think about but life goes on after these events and things happen and people continue to reflect on their experiences and settle into new positions and then they do it again and then they do it again but in new and different ways as new situations come up again and again and like fiction can work like that like of those poor television writers you know having to do that all the time like I wonder how Filmento would react to like a television character in a long running show that has had to go through multiple character arcs throughout their journey like does he think that that's does he apply the same logic that he's using for Scott there like I'm so lost here with his logic here the point where by the end nothing about him has even significantly changed it's funny you say that because the movie itself believes that there's been a significant change it's explicit Scott says wow thanks to Cassie now I know that people need help even when I don't think they do I don't feel the problem myself whatever the fuck he said that's right the film does believe he's learned a lesson a lesson that he never had to learn it's not even a lesson he learned in the first film it's a lesson he's always it's something he's always believed it's like a basal kind of human position really you know for the most part a lot of people recognize that there's trouble or ruin even when it's not happening to you is in this movie only because he's Ant-Man and because Ant-Man is a property Marvel can use to make a movie which they did that's the case for all of them he says it like that was so final isn't it like he just did he knows he's got us now he did it he gave us the excellent point that he made if you look at Scott's daughter for example her core being here is all about being sort of anti-establishment and standing up with a little guy it's kinda hard to see through all that tear gas into the park full of peaceful protesters I don't believe you and maybe they deserved it I have not enough information to operate you should not be able to walk out of here after destroying police equipment you're a terrible person I hate you yeah if there's gonna be a lot of resentment for her from across the whole movie not just this scene okay that's true but it's all start it can't then be about her using the Ant-Man suit to stop a new super-powered serial killer or something what? what? what? what the fuck this is the VPN ad yeah when did this happen what was the Cassie thing I don't even what year is it I don't know he was saying that she if she's gonna be the next Ant-Man her own personality and it's driven based off of that and not off of the quote gimmick of being Ant-Man 2 oh I mean the film would make the argument that it is based on her characteristics they're wrong they've invented new characteristics for her in this film that aren't congruent with who she was before but it's absolutely driven by her perspective like I can only tell you what he's saying man I know that this is the case then it's worth bringing it up as a counter like her perspective on no we need to help people we need to just because it's not happening to you doesn't mean it's not happening that's not built on the gimmick of being an Ant-Man with the Ant-Man powers that's her opinion that's her perspective that's not the thing to criticise with Cassie she is very inconsistent where to make a movie with her it can't then be about her using the Ant-Man suit to stop no you don't need her for that I'm so confused for that but you can use her for that just because you don't need to be that character doesn't mean you can't use them he's somehow separating the character from like being Ant-Man from being Scott and being Ant-Girl from being Cassie like for some reason these are very separate things to him Build on who she is and again It make should evolve along with it. 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Oh check it out Okay, I am man quantum The reason this isn't even a proper Just wanna because I was curious So that that VPN was started by the guy who was in charge of the Bitcoin exchange that got hacked Well Her Ant-Man movie is because most of his content doesn't require it to be an Ant-Man movie and could instead be done with countless other properties That is Earlier I don't know why it's called Iron Man Quantum an era as a point as well But also that doesn't this this isn't necessarily a problem that could have been someone else With you know sufficient workarounds This is if the metric is could the problems have been solved by another hero then yeah, of course We could have switched out you can do that with all the movies captain Marvel gonna replace basically everybody in all their movies Exactly, so therefore every movie that isn't captain Marvel has redundant It just seems like a really weird metrics like I man could have done this like okay I mean, I guess he could have but he didn't he didn't know it's Ant-Man dead cuz it's about Ant-Man For context the thing that made the first movie special was the fact that what happened could happen only because it's Ant-Man where the hero can shrink downs So the thing about that is You know when the yellow jacket fight like and then the destruction of the buildings like it may have been Easier with an Iron Man suit Yeah It might have been I think a better point to make is that the first Ant-Man and this is true The first Ant-Man film way is much better at leveraging Ant-Man's Central powers. It's way better in terms of dealing with scale and shrinking and the way he's framed This is like solving the overall problem and it's like yeah, which is do that with a lot of Well, it just seems like it makes it really unfair for the characters that aren't super duper powerful Yeah, like any problem that Daredevil had could have been solved with Iron Man flying in and you know punching Kingpin in the face and like knocking him out instantly exactly Scott was writing and developing a relationship with an ant He was running from everyday items in massive form like water in a tub He was fighting inside a briefcase and even on a child's Problem now is making better use of yeah gimmick for sure. Yes, which it does it absolutely does And there's an argument to be made that having it set in the real world is easier because These are household objects that everybody has some familiarity with so seeing like a train set But small we're seeing a like an ants even right like an ant, but it looks really big That's easy to grasp compared to quantum flims Yeah, but obviously he framed it as like Iron Man could have done this which is weird Especially because they all didn't they all have to shrink to go into the quantum time travel shit and then yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, they do that's right In an Ant-Man movie probably mostly thanks to Edgar Wright who was a big Ant-Man fan and understood how to make it special Oh Yeah, a lot of people believe the best parts of Ant-Man are probably him, which I believe Yeah Whereas in quantum India all that is gone. There are no ant relationships or interactions with everyday items in a new way Or anything like it mostly. There's just generic superhero. This is true, but doesn't make it a cash grab Yeah Interact with ants he He said oh yo, he doesn't interact with ants. Does he need to do that? Is it that a defining part of the the specificity of Well, the ants saved the day they call me in a stance. It's only doesn't drag with them. Just not in a way that's Satisfying I guess it's interesting. It's just they just win. Yeah. Well. Yeah, cuz he had Anthony his friend Right, but he said he doesn't interact with ants in this one and that is part of his argument If we were to say what what do we need to have Ant-Man doing in his movies like growing and shrinking It's like of course like what else you know we will do you want him talking to ants like I mean, you know It's one of the main Quote-unquote powers sure I probably include it. Yeah That could be part of the whole I think the fun of it is is like with like honey I shrunk the kids and stuff like that is what if we shrunk down people or ant men or whatever And they have to interact with normal objects, but the scale is so crazy that it makes them seem Bizarre right one of the cool things about Ant-Man was like the him in a bathtub running away from water as the faucet gets turned on That's just like interesting and fun because for us. It doesn't mean anything because you know, we're big But if you shrink someone down it turns into a whole new scenario and that's fun There's a relatability to it and at the same time. It's not relatable to you get a bit of both And that's part of the fun of it fighting on top of a little train as it goes around You know even they even did this in fucking night at the museum the little Roman guy and the cowboy Yeah, the train and stuff even they even did it in those movies and it was fun So yeah more of that because everything is so alien that like none of it is relatable in a sense And they don't do anything clever with this That's not even necessary when they are because of you could say due to a lack of imagination There are a lot of basically substitutes for common household objects in Quantumania There's like regular sized buildings regular sized objects, but they just didn't take advantage of those Yeah in the Krylov fight if hope it shrunk and ran across one of the tables Yeah, you could have alien drinks that would look really interesting as they're blown up now Exactly They didn't do that Yeah, and the main culprit behind that is the idea to set this movie in the quantum Oh, that would have been really fun like a bar themed sequence where he's like on an alien bar top And there's all kinds of different colored fluid splashing everywhere in different sized glasses that he's you know running around and that are flying through places Maybe he's like he runs inside of a patron's clothes and out the other end or you know something like that You know that they could have done something really cool But instead they just sit around and Because blast blast blast blast blast blast blast Okay, we did nothing with our powers. There's why for the record It's not as simple as simply saying they set it in the quantum realm and that's the problem It's like you can still work with the quantum realm. In fact arguably you have all of the potential to work with They're not very creative. Unfortunately. No well, which may be the single worst idea in the air What if he what if he fell into a you have like a glass and it's got a bunch of ice in it And he falls in and as the bartender is pouring liquid into the glass He has to like escape it before the thing fills all the way up and he gets swirled around in it like a like a sonic Sonic And get out of the glass and it maybe has to shimmy up the straw or something And of course it's the bombastic music and the loud sound effects and pure panic And then it pans away to normal size and it's totally normal Yeah, like it cuts to Bill Murray just sleeping through the straw. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.  That's fun. So far most likely made by the XD. Oh my god Yeah, that's right. He has a promise Yes, my good on his word. Yeah Look at the story and a plot in a broad sense, okay Let's do Scott's daughter has built this device sending a signal to the quantum realm and then someone uses it to shrink Scott And his family down there which could happen with anyone as the hero. I mean I Mean in a very technical sense, maybe Well, the thing is is that because the engine has been blown up by Janet They do need shrink tax specifically which means they need these people Yeah, and I mean this is Quantum realm technology which these guys have already been fiddling with as of end of them and the wasp Like I don't know this feels like, you know if Tony stock would do in this He would have been sucked into and it's like I think we made a point about how any Scientist fucking with this might have been fucked sucked in by Modoc because he doesn't seem to be very picky about it. He was just going with signals However, it does, you know, stand a reason that these guys would be doing it since they were doing it the last we saw them This does connect directly to the technology that they were invested in What's weird about this is like, you know, this problem could have happened to any of the heroes like, okay Why is that? Yeah, you know It makes more sense that it would happen to Scott because of the reason we can't outline can can be dropped into anyone's story Why like that doesn't make it bad It could be that Iron Man is checking up on Scott's family while Scott is on holiday I mean, it could be but it's not. Yeah, why why do you say this? You must bind Scott to the story.  It's like that.  He wouldn't be captured. He'd kill them Well, he wouldn't I so it changed It changed things a lot. He would use as many many things Modoc's gonna do against I had bad And he'd be coerced by the villain and ultimately fight his army with the locals at the end Mostly this movie could be called Iron Man. Yeah, it would be if you replaced everything with Iron Man Yes, if you replaced one of the characters, it would be different. I agree. He's on a point Which defeats a purpose or it actually being Ant-Man yeah, it would it would defeat the purpose of it If you decided to replace Ant-Man in the last quantity sharp and Iron Man is an Ant-Man isn't boy, that would be strange Yeah, I guess it's a good thing. They didn't do that Also like very poor choice of visual back there showing giant man a very Ant-Man specific capability Well, I'm trying to make the point that it could be anyone Understand the quantum realm choice. Hey, Ant-Man's thing is that it gets small So let's make a movie where he goes to the small world. I get it. I mean, that's not horrible as an idea I don't know why we're saying it is when it's being teased multiple times. Yeah, the films But the but Janet came from in the end of the previous movie. Why would this not? It's not not a crazy progression of ideas. They just didn't do very much with it Actual effect is the opposite now that Ant-Man is in the small world It just takes away from the fact that he can become small like when everything and everyone is small It kind of by default means it's funny because Yeah, it's funny because when he says when everything is small and then shows up like normal-sized everything This is all this is all relative. So right now Yeah, and we just went over how like if he was to shrink and run across laser faces body It would look kind of crazy and interesting It's all relative like when every look at all these crazy characters if he was to shrink and run across that like sphere Hedgehog thing like that would be crazy too. It would look weird How does Ant-Man deal with this bizarre world that is beyond what he's used to in terms of size and how things Yeah, even though it is absolutely Location yeah We think and yeah Well, you have a good point there for me because as we'll as a lot of people probably know when you again as you said when you get smaller Things get weirder and so when you're getting smaller relative to the already quantum-sized things You're gonna be dealing with things on their smaller level that you're that's not gonna look the same as if you shrunk On the macro level and so that's gonna be a whole new range of challenges to deal with they don't do it in this film But there's potential is there again if they were more creative They should have messed around with physics and had that be something that was challenging The going small here messes with physics in a way that's really unpredictable Ability storm Holy shit, that was so bad Name one thing about that's not scientific They didn't tell them like the fact that MoDoc didn't even tell them about it and as soon as he gets it He's like yeah, I figure I should probably you know explain what the fuck is happening Like north of no no other use That's oh man. That's again like how how do you write that you just see someone like there were clones of you spawning for me I was like just ignore them.   Why is this on the history channel? Yes, some of those shows are probably on Animal Planet a lot of the shows Like oh me and four other rednecks went into the the swamp to look for Megagater, is he going we're gonna find Megagater this week and this is on this is on the history channel and I'm like That looks like it's from the 60s that doesn't mean that this is the history channel I don't they have a really amazing CG render of this creature Well, you she's in about the other day told me that he was out in a swamp Gators late and then he heard this weird noise and it sounded like And they don't know no critters make that kind of noise it must be the chupa-cabri Absolutely, it's a thing Yeah, Gator hunting is absolutely thing. You have like bag limits and everything for it Yes, yeah, I was just thinking I want that now in my life I need rags to be the narrator for And even though Scott can still adjust his size compared to his new surroundings Oh boo, he said not much can be done with it.  There's no way to take the character Scott Lang There's no interesting way to use his technology in the quantum realm.  That's very similar to you know I have cities with crazy flying stuff around in the site like it's it's within the bounds of something that humans can really imagine Obviously, there's like there's rocks. There's trees. There's animals running around like there's definitely a Recognizable bar. It's a straight-up bar. It's not some kind of insane Construct that all of us are like, what is this? I can't understand it at all It's funny, right? They show he's showing like Antony and Ant-Man on newspaper someone home It's like you can have an alien reading an alien newspaper. There's nothing wrong with that play. Yeah, I Just like God imagination Yeah, or just just commit to it being a flimpy world That's kind of like ours, but just different and weird, but like don't try and do this weird half-and-half carpet Well, it was the worst of both worlds the quantum room isn't that alien or at the very least the alien parts of the Well, it's because all of the important people in the quantum realm of humans or Very similar to humans like you know, it's that's why that stands out so much He is a wacky looking alien guy. That's very different from anything that exists on earth Yeah, but he's like talks and he's kind of funny and he has a fun voice It's a fun little contrast right that he is very incomprehensible visually, but yet he's this he's just this cute little fellow You know just talking about his yeah, he's got some of the lies and they look around I've got my little hands and I really like that He's one of all of the characters have been introduced in like phase four and five He is really high up on my list Which just goes to show the strength of the writing in these faces that web Was the one who said it he had an arc and a character payoff. He got holes The man got holes in his He has a more congruent story than the vast majority of the characters. He didn't get assassinated He became a hole. He hasn't been assassinated yet Becommer of holes be used in a new way by playing with their proportions The proportions are all over the place. Anyway, which is why Combat whoopie-doo How they use it in combat is what the interesting part can be I Agree that having it only be in combat and not much so for traversal is a missed opportunity Yeah, sure, but like combat is still that's like saying whoop-de-doo It's like no not whoop-de-doo like I mean in Ant-Man like they're shot You're showing the scene without throwing like Thomas the tank engine stuff at each other. That's that's quite had Cassie was captured Scott wasn't because they got separated on the battlefield and Scott's to try and break into the you know prison He's doing some shrinky dinklers. He's looking around all kinds of crazy things And then you know Kang defeats him and then we carry on with the film But like we could have had all that kind of stuff in there. They just didn't do it Yeah And we it would have played into his heist knowledge is like I gotta break Cassie out of the prison and he Shrinks into the little panel in the wall and has to fidget with wires and brother. They're like really big and he's tiny Alien wires or something He goes small Something they could have done something Yes, it's definitely worse. I agree. Yes, it's worse. Yeah Definitely, there's nothing lost along the way. Yeah, if we'd never gotten the thing on the left The thing on the right would still be bad like it. Yes. Yes, it would be bad It's bad without comparison. It's bad on its own. You could have had a boss fight.  That's the problem Yeah, honey how the visual effects is so much worse. What happened? I've seen so many cutscenes better than the VFX in this film. It's ridiculous. It's so rushed They were rushed.  Oh my gosh, this reminds me of the bad part of the movie. Yeah Yes, you should have lasted a bit longer than one second and being used I agree just one ants ex Machina you say that like it's not the most important thing that happens in the movie though Like it is well use it for more than this. It's like this is the this is the thing it is the most consequential thing because Like it if they win the battle, they would have lost if not the ants It's like you said in the video the answer the only thing that mattered in that final battle Yeah, it's the point where she if she hadn't called them in and if that man have waited they could just let the ants do everything Lost so many soldiers Nope, that's right. They wouldn't be invaporized in order to let Cassie escape Apparently they passed through some sort of time dilation they live thousands of years in a single Is that the banjo-kazooie like sound effect that I heard it now a game might be it's familiar to me definitely Oh Trapped in a bottle.  Yes, I think it might be oh my god It's sands from undertale stealing scene where Scott dives into the villains blown up engine to shrink it down now Yes, there are some nonsensical derogatory aspects here as well Wait, oh, yeah Probably not the right word, but derogatory Yeah, I don't know. It's not that cool for sure, though That's consistent with his The scene itself is derogatory, you know, it's like wait, what?  So why do you say derogatory? I don't know because That sounds like a negative word. Yeah, he's that implies negative emotions or something Blown-up engine to shrink it down. Now. Yes, there are some nonsensical derogatory aspects here as well Well, yeah, I mean nonsensical would have covered that why just why did you choose the word derogatory? No, you gotta throw in another word. You gotta have two or three words to describe it one's not good enough Nonsensical derogatory That's been made massive and what's with the arbitrary cloning stuff fair enough But that aside this scene is still if not the best then at least the most deserving It might be the most deserving scene. What does he say? This might be the worst scene in the film I think he means most deserving of like being called in the Ant-Man movie. What the probability storm Is it because of the part with the ants where he controls them all to make the work together. Yeah That can happen only in an Ant-Man movie Only happen in an Ant-Man movie. Well, no because this is not to do with that man himself We were outside of the bounds of logic. You could give and remember one and it would make any man failed It didn't work wasp flying was the what succeeded He could have gone up accounts because the wasp is part of Ant-Man's franchise. Ah, yeah It's okay. This is this scene is this bit. What do you reckon it? What would be the worst scene than this in this film? This is probably the worst.  I just don't buy this idea that like well all this like the whole movie Needs to only work if it's Ant-Man or else. It's not an Ant-Man movie.  Yeah, no nobody buys into that He doesn't well. He's definitely contradicted this in another video for sure What are the rules on making an ensemble movie? Well, yeah, and you know it forget I asked I think um if he was to make the argument of the part where he Controls all of them with the ant-tech is why it's an ant-man only scene.  Wow Yeah, I know it's genius isn't it I know it's brilliant. Yeah Now maybe I'm hyping this up a bit too much. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. You are hyping it up That is an understatement But the point is that this any hyping of this scene is too much is a scene you want to look for in your movie Is that of bill? Oh God, it's a scene in my movie. I failed My I forgot he's trying to convince people that this is how you should make a fit His original point was this is a cash grab so I think he's forgotten that as well, but it's somehow I remembered it Building whatever a generic scenes that any movie could do use the specialty of your movie to do things that no one other than you can do Use the specialty of your movie. Yeah, it's no it's like the quality of being special I don't think that that's not specialty What he wants to say is as simple as make sure an ant-man movies are uniqueness ant-man is the needed for his ant-man stuff Didn't you already say the problem was that it's Scott not being needed for Scott stuff?   They shrink and grow their cars and houses Why wouldn't the Iron Man of the world have a shrink as well?  No in every way It's terrible. I want to make I want to make a movie making an ant-man movie make him go big Make him go small and make them fight with salt shakers do it He goes inside of a toaster they have a toaster battle do it quick And then what if it was the ant-man equivalent of the Force Awakens where it's just spamming the anti-migrant use you know Like they find some like in the Director wants to do like a character drama and they're like this probably won't make any money But like they have a really good idea or something like that So they do some sort of very grounded story mostly people talking in rooms There's no shrinking involved at all a lot of people might not be into that But like you could do that with these characters you could They can go tiny but not too tiny. We got a safe some room for the sequel I'm just blown away by the fact that it's like a cash grab right up until you have something to do with ant-man and the Ant-Man movies like that's the boss a cash grab That would that would mean that the The emoji movie is not a cash grab by his definition That's true Is not a cash grab because it has lines in it if it was definitively believable a massive hole in his argument with two seconds Never have imagined this from a Phil Mento thesis. It's unbelievable If it was definitively proven that T2 and aliens are both cash grabs.  Yeah, that's the thing. It's so weird to focus all of this around this movies What he wants to say But he has to like he has to have something profound to say it has to be go it has to go further than that It's like can't just be bad. No, that's something I talked about at the end of my quantum video It's like it's just bad man. It's bad writing. It's so mundane and lame.  Now you sound fine it's a must-be discord issue because you sound just fine Yes, so that's about today has not been the day for technically sound production All about Kang oh, so this is gonna be about how the movies bad because it focuses too hard on Kang and setting him up Go ahead. Tell me about how this movie makes Kang look good Thirdly the reason quantumania is a cash grab is because it shamelessly uses ant-man's value to generate value for something Isn't why does it make it a cash grab what why does he make it a cash grab and what's wrong with having a good villain? Well, I mean what's wrong with building a villain inside one of the movies. Yeah, you could totally do that Thanos is built up in other movies Partially before he comes up in infinity war. I mean like he's built up in Thor before he shows up in Avengers So weird and then just to be instead of being like a sign of the movie being shitty is that you know Time is taken away from the hero in order to build up a villain for another film That's an argument of some kind but to then say and that's evidence of it being a cash grab. I pray smaller Oh, yeah, I mean if they managed to pull that off ant-man like I already mentioned Scott Lang has no purpose or agency And you were wrong about both of those but that's okay.  You keep ignoring that part. Why are you doing that? You got to acknowledge the big agency there.  Well, your name is Fringy Is that make me angry when I say your name? His name is nervous for me. Yeah, you're I can call him fill me. What's wrong with that? I'm just so you Mulder now. It's a bit angry I didn't mean to upset you Fringy. I'm sorry We can all be pulled together We can all be pulled together now. I'm just imagining a bunch of bald people like joining hands and song Someone else and then used by the villain. He's a plastic bag in the wind. Stop saying He was a stick in the water. No, he's a bag in the wind He's not in the driver seat He gets driven along to react to except when he doesn't Even this is not a good argument for what a cash grab is because if that's true Then then fury road where Mad Max has absolutely no agency for the first half of it is a terrible Well, can we just say Big Lebowski's apparently the biggest cash grab in history then it's almost with passive characters. They are they Cash grabs necessarily because the character isn't driving immediately immediately Man oh no Weird stuff. Hey, I'm bad. You just drank me. Look at him without Without any real sense of where he is or what's going on. Is that another requirement for cash grab? We're talking about the film of the video Yes Can be both because you understand like this video is a complete mess because he's like conclusion Quantity bad. Why cash grab. All right, so every single thing I spot that's of interest means it's a cash grab Michelle Pfeiffer is in this film Cash grab be about something or someone else.   I'm like, oh planet well and remember Rags This is after she's confirmed definitively that there's a world above or around her own, but she doesn't care No, it doesn't matter So you love the idea that if aliens landed we poke Like with sharp sticks of them and said are you spies and then we find out they're not and then we lose interest in them That just be crazy. Wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be crazy Well quickly it becomes clear that Ant-Man is playing second fiddle to the new big bad of the MCU You you have a lot of explaining to do You have a lot of arguments to make good luck sir We learn about Kang's backstory of being exiled and trapped like we do with many villains in films. Yep Thanks motivations of dimensional domination Yeah, I would like to know what his motivations are. Yes, you're like that's pretty straightforward, too Thanks actions of pushing the plot by pushing other and pretty much What like like the villains of the other Ant-Man films Well, like everything Obadiah does in Iron Man pushes Iron Man Yeah, I mean, isn't that a good thing when the villain is like actually having an impact on the plot in the main character I'm sure you would make a video talking about how that's a good thing. Yeah film perfection How to make an effective villain and he's gonna talk about how the agency of the hero is affected by the villains interests and push and pull on the plot Not here though. Everything here revolves around Kang This is a post-credits scene, but is it bad if all of the events of a film revolve around a villain's interests It's a cash grab because of that Everything revolve around the Horned King's interest in the Black Cauldron, huh? Also, yes, if you won't be the more relevant example, that's probably fair It's not a question of whether or not it's bad film because it you know revolves around this question whether or not it's a cash grab Yep, exactly. That's the problem Freeze absolutely right because it yeah, of course, it's a bad film and you know, but is it bad because or is it a cash grab? very specific Not shown in any way that it is and his argument here in this part his part three is that it's a cash grab because It revolves around the bad guy, which is Stupid it's a famous common elements of cash grabs is that they revolve around the villain infinity war Way more revolves around Thanos like Thanos is arguably the control and everything. Yeah, everyone's reacting to her screen time He gets a huge amount of development in that film Like the pivotal scenes are all around him. They talk about him constantly Thanos is coming.  It's the Empire after the rebels Vader after Luke. That's what's happening in the whole film It's reacting and escaping from the good the bad guys. So does that make it a catch?  Yeah, but the problem is that it's done by someone else's movie, which just ends up ruining The main character of the film it's always going to be developed in relation to the hero in someone else's story The low key example would come up.  No, he's not you keep saying he's not He is active in this film you I find this annoying because he as you pointed out He's used the visual the big visual of look I'm the biggest ant man ever and I'm gonna beat you up and then he starts beating everyone up That's the thing he does force to do that Obviously the film got a obviously chopped up a lot in the editing But I mean the ending was definitely meant to be the ant man was going to sacrifice himself to trap Kang in the quantum room That's a good agency pushing Cassie through the portal and fighting him This thing both super someone else like why do you call it ant man quantum mania and put him in the center if he's not the center if Kang is not the center Time It begins and ends with him and the of the normal when he learns his lesson.  Yeah, I'm kind of yeah He wants a Kang centric film.  Probably like 97 plus percent now if not more yeah baller or Fringy did you say Loki? Yeah, I mean they said that Fringy bringing that one up is kind of perfect because it's super early on and Loki went on to be the Villain in Avengers in Avengers which they knew they knew that that was gonna be the case They were developing him and Loki to be the villain in Avengers. So it's the same The only argument you make as well Loki is more directly connected to Four but I mean still it's building him up for a subsequent appearance So by his logic then those movies are bad am I understanding what he's saying correct? Well, no not that they're bad, but it's a cash grab Yeah, but by his logic Nothing makes sense by his logic.  Magneto Just basically the majority of villains most films are about the protagonist not the villain I mean some of them focus a lot on the villain silence of the lambs focuses on on Hannibal Lecter so much Right and Clarisse is basically not in it, but she's clearly the hero of the film So by this argument silence of the lambs is just another cash grab. Yeah And on the other hand a Kang is ruined because the movie doesn't go all the way and actually put him in the center either Attention, but the film doesn't go all the way and making him the center of attention How does this clarify how to write? He also has a book on writing Yes, I'm saying it's all channel based on a right advice about writing and specifically We'll break down this so you know how to do it better By the way, let me see the night not trying to be too much of a dick to him because everybody has their way of approaching everything But I have a feeling that he decided early on. I'm not just gonna review films I got to make it sound more important than that. It's got to be like no This is a grand lesson to take away from this film be the failure or success because every film fits into failure or success every time Which is really awkward like they don't it's not a binary It's not like success or failure, you know, you can succeed and fail in a variety of different ways And it depends on what the objectives were of the creators, too We see this happen a lot a lot of people that we cover on e-fap, you know youtubers and stuff They are channels about giving writing advice and teaching us how to write and tell stories and they're all just they suck So bad and they give this this bizarre just Strange This is not helpful Anti-helpful, you know, he just gave advice that goes against the majority of storytelling Yeah, but he and that's it goes unrecognized like he doesn't realize that that's what he's done Like again, you as much as we talk about how it doesn't give you everything the standard You know three-act structure heroes journey character should grow like this is that's way more useful to you as like basic standard generally useful writing advice compared to these crazy like Rules that are being like invented in real time. I Don't see how this could help you I feel like this is only gonna make things like if you if you actually took every single piece of writing advice You you'd end up with so much contradictory conflicting like advice Couldn't follow his rules because they would be contradictory into confusing you just he is I would say that he's Indistinguishable from like AI generated writing tips, but I think he'd be worse No, I kept thinking it too.   Yeah, and you start Stories and just write a couple stories Scribing things learn how to this is like you're learning how to write not even like tell stories, but how do you write? How do you convey information? Text yeah, exactly It'd be like grammar like formatting basic things like that like before we start Before we start writing our own little Lord of the Rings here little token, aren't you?  So he's getting maybe I don't know like maybe Specialty doesn't mean that having the quality of being special like how could you how could like what? How could you say that? What's wrong with you? Yeah Also, I just find it funny. We're going back to this video being a cash grab He does have a villain in this in this Video that's both the focus but also not the focus at the same time That's the main main hookah laughter this video now because Totally else and on the other hand Loan It's not just writing books. It's writing books about selling them about Writing and selling them for money. He charges money for his What was the tonaldism for like some more big or something more bigger? Oh Help me out. What was it more something? Like is it huge bigger or was like something like that? It was something yeah chat help me help me out quiz chat huge more. It's huge more a huge more amount.  He's not really Guys this is an alien. He's at the center But he's not at the center enough because we only get a few moments here and there also, you know It genuinely came across as Ant-Man movie he needs to be in the center instead Kang is but if you really want Kang in the center You should have done it this way like what? What have them have them shown up sooner? Why from Apple in? If you know that the Lord of the Rings like the trilogy it would have worked without the intro It would have been if you took out the intro right which you should never do because it's great but it would have worked without it and then you could have had the Sauron reveal like later or Like even an Andor right you don't really get the reveal of the Empire being a thing until Like not even in the first three episodes really they're just sort of spoken about you know You don't have to have a quick reveal of your villain. They could Wait, oh, do we get the scene with the the Bureau there is that an episode four? I yeah, I don't think the Empire really gets involved in the story until I might be right about that Yeah, yeah, it's the security force Yeah, really low level Referred to By the way on the Batwoman episode top comment. I seriously thought this series was dead It's like dad going out to buy milk and actually coming back. It's incredible Happens but I sorted it out. Anyway, that needs to be on our that needs to be on our list of movies to watch is Jumanji Long time.  Is that good or bad? What I don't know And then why is it good or bad if it's a little bad? Yes, exactly. Tell me if it's good or bad. Tell me why it's good or bad It's important that you tell me why something is good or why something is bad if you're giving advice I don't want to just we make it simple. We just go that doesn't make sense. There you go Yeah, I don't know why I'm doing something not just trying to copy something without understanding what I'm trying to copy because We've seen that recently and that doesn't work out. It's a cash grab all the way down In a bad guy, but we don't really get to see why apparently he wants to destroy timelines to stop something He doesn't say why god damn it.    No, he got the title of the movie wrong in the title of his video Do you know why I think it was cuz yeah, he probably felt it was too long and it makes the thing It may very well be you might be right now Yeah, yeah, he has to put his anatomy of a failure in there Yeah, cuz he what I have to do ant man and the Why wouldn't you just call it a cinematic cash grab and out of your failure is like what you need the how to build a I mean, I mean to be fair, you know, the wasp is like she's barely a part of this film It could be out of sight of what he actually was just thinking yeah, I'm on quantum ania. What do you mean? I'm out of the wasp constantly just he didn't even have to have the Ant-Man That's definitely you need that for yeah algorithm Ant-Man 3 cash grab failure Anatomy of a quantum Yeah Never grows beyond the shallow ominous references surrounding him. He never grows beyond the shallow ominous references Where he does explain his motives?  This is his motive rent. Isn't it?    They're so happy to just make the murderous psychopaths and that's it We don't care No, I mean I kind of agree.   Yeah, but he doesn't care about it. Yeah You don't care about it. It doesn't exist. Yeah, but it's a cash grab also.   They should say how did you not bring up? How do you watch this film and not think that's weird when he said Cassie taught me that I could care about people or whatever. I do not red flag to you Too shallow to carry the load either to the point of becoming yet another Remember guys, it's a cash grab if you focus on the villain even if you don't focus on the villain It's a cash grab at bcgi To end the universe which may make him But at this point not much more and to explain this further I'll give you a successful example on both sides.  Oh Okay, I even though the joker in the dark night steals the show the movie Don't you think that batman is basically trailing the joker throughout the dark night and he's reacting to everything the joke is doing This is a cash was that a cash grab thing? I don't know He's always batman's movie batman.  Okay No, he didn't he's fine This batman doesn't kill.  You're right. He's doing things which prompts a situation leading to the joker's rights With word out we hire the clown batman and his actions are always at the center It's always anchored in what he thinks. I don't know that that's true I don't all this means where we watch joker doing things. Well, batman's always reacting to joker I don't know that this counts I feel like this has the same qualifications.  That's true That's a perspective that's around. That's not a perspective. The only person who takes out about ant man is you If anything ant man in the war's quantum area is modox movie. Okay, he's the one that dragged them in there He's the one that got all the things in place for kangen and then attack And he saved the multiverse true Whereas in infinity war, even though it's an avengers movie Thanos is the central character the movie I wonder if you came up with that or if you just took it from what everyone else said Hence with him it shows scenes from his perspective in addition to him speaking about his perspective. It goes I mean, so it's a cash grab There are scenes where kangen is the prv I was about to say you get about the same amount of thanos as you do kangen. It's just better written in infinity war Yeah, exactly because i mean infinity war has to balance a lot more characters No, and also I have a question guys. So everything so far what he's saying is this is a cash grab When did he say then that this being a cash grab is bad? I think it's just banked into the premise. Yeah, it's like leaning onto gimmick as a word It's got the negative kind of take cash grabs are bad gimmicks.  So they're bad, right? He doesn't realize how broad and sweeping his rules are he doesn't know He doesn't know he doesn't know. Yes. That's That's the regular would say he does he know and he doesn't I'm just at the point where bad yet. I bet he would wait. I want to find out about this We've only got like a minute left for this saboteur. Oh god, you're right, brothers Hey, but okay It feels as though at this point you just take a movie you think is about like fails the box office, right? So what's like the newest thing that's failed? Let's just go with indiana jones.  What's wrong with indiana jones? Like clearly what's wrong with it is They shouldn't be I'm just like well not don't pick like an actual thing like pick a made-up thing Like The fact that this one the fact that space is mentioned at all space should never be mentioned in indiana jones content Yeah, just And then and then he's like if you check out the first indiana jones There's no space mentions same for the second and third one They mentioned space a bit in the fourth one and that's considered bad. So clearly my formula is correct I've nailed it correlation equals causation. Yeah, it's just if we want to follow this video though Right the problem with the indiana jones would be the fact that he doesn't spend enough time As dr. Jones and instead is this weird indiana who is not the same thing Meanwhile remember that's the first 10 minutes of this Well, yeah, because this is split into three parts. It's like the the scott's characterization is not relevant ant man's Not relevant to this compared to like an iron man, and then the kang is the center of the movie But he's also not And then all of it's a cash grab. It's it's a fucking wild video All in on the choices and sacrifices he has to make to get what is after Gonna be careful on the music thing May not agree with Thanos, but they are brought into his head to view the world from the angle He views it from I mean You can you can make this argument for kang. I just don't think it's it the problem is bad writing It's not what you're talking about And in this manner you have to decide which way to go and go all the way If you want this to be an ant man movie then keep ant man at the center by making him cause things to happen and by He really shouldn't have brought up the dark knight because Saying the dark knight was the hero movie so fascinating with how much joker is in that movie and how influential joker is And how iconic it's like a lot of things devoted to him And you know what going back to mauler's point earlier Ant man was the one who jumped into the quantum portal to save everyone So Yeah, this sentence doesn't make sense already Wait, he's trying to construct like we need to make it so he has a reason to go to quantum realms Like oh you mean like he does Like like the movie. Yeah, so it's so this is so weird Making it be about him instead of reducing him into a spectating role in his own movie Or if you want to see What about you said that what did he say the best scene was the quantum probability fleam A quantum probability matrix hole whatever and that's all him It is Him in the wash Yeah, he says It's it really it really is just like we only have a really bad ai generated We have many hours. Okay No, I'm saying we only have a minute for him to to talk about the mole Well, obviously he only needs a few seconds because he's gonna say their name and he's gonna show the imdb page and it's gonna be amazing So what by his logic By his logic scott should be the one who jumps into the portal goes directly to kang saying I have I have knowledge of your problem.  I can describe the problem right? I know what your issue is You are you are saying the word logic when you say his logic without including quotes around it It is his quote logic And that's the important part you have to understand that his idea of logic in this video Is not what we would describe as the uh definitional idea It's so weird. It's so like did he did he write this and go what a great video? This is he never read it. He never read it till he put it on here.  I'm a little gassed out on Filmento now Yeah, it's almost Let's find out about the water brothers guy What I'm making is a cash grab existing. Yeah, you said that a lot.  Come on. We're getting there Oh, yeah Can keep filling Telling yeah, we got oh promised to expose that dc double agent pulling the strings at marvel, right Then again simply by using that topic. I got you watching this far. So Did he actually Mark brown does We had two of these in this out of this. Were you kidding me? trick twice Mark brown did it because he's in the opposite Why would you do this to us? Wait, wait, is he gonna DLC the identity of the person? He's DLCing it. Yeah He's just like I'll tell you in a different video or sometimes we didn't get to know the secret of mario's jump We didn't get to find out when plot armor is good actually and we didn't get to find out the water brothers double agent I swear to god We all just to knock me down. Yeah, we Keep getting away with this Your nonsense guidelines What did you do? Sorry, sorry rags. Where did you come from?  Not that he'd say lol.   Don't just merge the good name of Nickelodeon slime I'll have you know that there are times where if I would Nickelodeon slimed I would not find it fun That's that circumstance not the slime itself. You can't blame the slime if someone misuses it I'm saying he slimed you which makes the sliming bad The slime in general you can do whatever. Yeah, but Nickelodeon slime is different Nickelodeon slime you No, and it was in a time that you did not want to be slimed rags. And that's why it's bad Oh, no, this changes everything Watching this bar.  Why would I give you money after this?  He was born a century ago. He'd suck at it Now since we were on the wonderful topic of marvel I feel it's easy to get into the topic of the death of sincerity in blockbusters Wow, I'm gonna I'm gonna pee Oh, you look interesting. Um, I'm gonna be back. Is this dune part two? What is this? I'm also going to pee and feed my I'm gonna agree. Well, you I think the death of sincerity is a good is It's uh, I'm I'm leaving now. Oh That's what that means The death of sincerity is the equivalent of i'm leaving now at blockbusters I'm going to bed. Oh, that's what that means. I see. Oh, okay. Uh, well, thanks for jumping on dude. Yeah, we appreciate Yeah, it was something which video is your favorite It was bamboozled. Yeah, you got both bamboozlings Yeah, I know It was something thanks for having me guys. I appreciate it. Absolutely. Thanks for joining us Joey. Congratulations on five years What's the gift for the five-year anniversary? Did you wood? I think Wood we all get wood I'm already there. Amen. Perfect Congrats and enjoy the rest of the stream. Thank you Boy, so that last video man, right like it's not like Not only did he move the goalposts so many times It's like there wasn't a goalpost And i'm not entirely sure there's a field. I think he knew as well. He knew what he was doing. He knew what he was up to That ended all the same Doing that at the end just like how can you make? How can you make a video about cash graphs and then do that?  He can tell when something is written without integrity. You see Yeah, of course. Sure. Anyway, buy his thing Yeah, buy his book and his sponsor Uh, tune in next time and maybe he'll give you your the industry secrets Where is it? I'm gonna go get some booze. I need booze from in hell. I'm gonna just check.  Is that the fourth time we've covered him now? Remember the first time? Yeah, everyone's mad at us. That was for underwater. Yeah, well, it happens a lot the first time Oh, that was the first time was underwater. I think it was underwater. Yeah, because it was all That video I said it was an alien ripoff And then his whole video he kept advising it how to be more like alien It's just classic Phil Manto the Bit interesting channel I just don't get it. The guy's got like 800,000 subs Well the thing he just covers every single new movie that comes out and decides if it's a success or failure And then makes up from what he gathers after one watch of why it was a success or failure And then just shoves it in tries to comb it all up into one solid Bit of advice like a lesson about filmmaking I wish there was a way to get Like if you can have an AI take all of his videos and scripts and just like condense it down into a paragraph Like what would it say? You know, why would you do that? I don't know it. I I don't know why I would Like oh, there's a two star rating in amazon about his book. Oh, no that high. Oh that high What's into written form what is already on youtube nothing new lots of typos less entertaining Oh, no, we're interesting if you did reproduction script doctoring rather than post viewing critiques. Okay But there are a lot of I don't know how you have typos in the modern eight You know, there's just no there's no excuse as a writer to have typos in your book in 2023 there's there's you don't have an excuse. Maybe they're the kind that can like slip through correction things Um, but I don't know Yes, I wonder if I can maybe like maybe grammatical mistakes sure based on your style like when I type I I could I'll I'll use like maybe sentence fragments because the way that I type is supposed it's supposed to reflect How one might speak, you know, that's pretty normal, but if you're like writing a book and you have typos It's like what what's your excuse? Did you not want if you're gonna put out quickly red line under your words A book that advises on writing you're gonna want to get someone to check that before you publish, you know Hey, make sure it's not a book on editing all right. Let's be clear It's a book on how good you are writing. You better make sure you're right. Okay in it, you know Yeah, there it is. How much how much is it 10 bucks? Skindle 10 bucks kindle Does it come in a hot bath? Oh We hope Yeah, it's just a virtual release Let us look at the death of sincerity. Shall we? All righty the death of sincerity Well, that happened the death of sincerity in block but of an ancient But that's fine. That's fine. Can I can I nitpick? Absolutely. That's the forsaken chick. She's not in a blockbuster though So that that's just my nitpick I guess a triple a game is kind of like blockbustery The game is sincere though. I agree with that.  Oh, no That's okay. I I was it's okay That's fine. I'm sure they've grown as a person since then it's fine. They've been on a knock So recently I was scrolling through twitter and I came across this one tweet posting this clip from mission impossible rogue nation All right, let's do it. It's not your decision to make Oh, wait, free. He's not here. Never mind. We gotta wait. He's right. He's back. Well, meme is not here. Meme isn't here um What's that? Oh, it means that he's here. He's just muted. It's fine. I've just received special revelation from God that meme wants us to continue. I see that's incredible. Oh my gosh. That's incredible I am a field agent. I know the risks carry on more than that. I am your friend We're gonna we're gonna do this the classic way of just playing three or four seconds and then pausing for Wait, it's not what is it doing? Well, are we as it started? Yeah, is it not for anyone? Oh, maybe I have I have to refresh. Yeah, let me refresh mine. Okay, I'll pull us back as well Refreshing refreshing Being So recently I was scrolling through twitter and I is it working? Yeah, I got it. Nice Came across this one. That is an interesting sweater from an impossible rogue nation It's not your decision to make Ethan Yeah, I am gonna have to be very careful. You see I'm gonna go And then then we can play more of it. This is from rogue Yeah, this is the scene that we said we liked. Yeah Field agent, I know the risks. It's the only time benji gets to do something as a character He didn't get to have more than this More than that. I am your friend no matter what I tell the polygraph every week now. You called me Yeah, because you needed my help To watch Simon peg act. It's like you don't get to do this anymore He doesn't get many opportunities to act. It's a shame He's kind of like goofy guy, but he's really good. Yeah And you still man, so I am staying Yeah, it's a perfectly serviceable dialogue scene not exactly shakes beer, but It gets the job done.  This is a good scene. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so me too Moller you wanted me to watch then did you want me to watch this and then say don't look at the comments Just watch this scene and yeah, because I wanted to know If you in isolation thought there's something wrong with it because I didn't think there was I was like, no, it's in they okay to me Yeah, I like it Dialogue followed by three crying emojis now I don't know this random twitter person and I have absolutely no intention of starting a beef with them But this just struck me as a really weird what and yet here we are I was thinking it Start a beef with him. I'm just gonna make a video about it. He wants to talk about the subject. Okay. It's unfortunate That's the vehicle. How can we use these multiple copies of all these books? Look at the books. There's like so many copies There's the three red ones on the shelf and then there's like the one two three four five He has so many multiple copies of books Is he like a seller or if they're really good books You want to make sure you have more than one just in case it gets damaged If you reread a book you have to do it with a different copyright or it's like some sort of a copyright It's like superstition and you'll activate a ghost or whatever if you Is he a bookseller or are these right look he has two drums rags two Maybe ridiculous. Yeah like me But if they're the same in the same series and how come they're like split up right like the two paradigm books Maybe they're different volumes, but it's not written on the side for some reason. I'm not sure Yeah, it it's just multiple copies of the same book. That's strange. Oh, he has a book on dictators Maybe he's maybe he's learning to become a dictator himself You've got the hands Oh, that's true. He's got the hands not really the Not really the the the the look could work. He could I think I think that you if you're a good enough dictator You can set the look Like really man, maybe maybe yeah a lot of trailblazes out there kind of guy Yeah, you know, that's right our good old friend, you know the hand the mustache thing he he rocked No one is wearing that ever One might say he ruined that Yeah, he kind of did the propaganda didn't help it was quite a it was very noteworthy thing about him That was easy to make Pretty criticism to make I gathered that the idea is supposed to be that the dialogue is somehow corny or cheesy Which yeah, that's something you can say about pretty much all the mission impossible move So that's weird not not what no, I don't think I would have called it corny It's just it's just a man trying to say I care about you to another man I don't know why we have to pull out corny or cheesy care about you And I'm going to put myself in a position of danger And I know the risks and I'm going to do it because I'm your friend And I mean fallout has a lot of not corny things in it. That's for almost think that's a little even Roganation has serious stuff in it. Yeah, okay Maybe the charitable thing is someone could say that it's corny, but it's not necessarily corny Maybe that's what he's trying to say I don't know I guess that's the idea that he's fighting against here Well, he's trying to figure out why they would call it disney ass dialogue, right? Which because it's not yeah It's actually very sincere the way yeah, right. It's sincere. It's the sincerity that he's bringing up here in the title Like I would say that that's a very sincere um log from from peg I think maybe you There could be A person who looks at sincerity and says that it is somehow corny or cheesy, but those people suck So like I don't I don't know. Yeah Movies mostly in a good way But what's so particularly cheesy about this scene? The only explanation I can offer is that this twitter user believes that Benji's sincere declaration of friendship to ethan is like something you'd find in a disney channel show is it? I don't watch enough disney channel to say a show like Yeah, a show like what I I've brushed I brushed against the disney channel a bit growing up because I'm the oldest of four so it just happens, but I don't I don't I don't expect to see this kind of a kind of dialogue bits on wizards of waverly place Perhaps he's being gracious to the original tweeter so far. I actually don't Well, I mean, I think he's probably right that the original tweeter thinks this but I'd be curious to know what the original We're just thinking about I don't know It's a bit weird, you know And that got me thinking about how hollywood has basically spent the last decade training its audiences to reject sincerity in blockbusters as exactly that As something corny or silly to be treated with snark. I think I'd almost say like I'd add cynical to that Um, oh, yeah the way that the love is, you know Conditioned by the audience who are too grown up for such childish things as Being concerned for the well-being of one's friend. I guess if you're going to have a scene like this You'd better immediately follow it up with bendy saying God, I sound like something out of a disney channel show, don't I?  I'm right with him. Yeah. No, this is all fine so far Yes, so far. And that's basically what I want to talk about today about a style of dialogue in modern blockbusters That online communities have recently started to sum up with a single phrase Well, that just happened So what is well that just happened humor exactly? Well put simply it refers Oh, let me see. Let me see if I can guess what he's gonna say Well, that just happened humor is the inability to juggle tones and a refusal or a maybe not refusal But a trying to avoid or undercut your own sincerity for the purpose of comedy or Casualness something like that. I think I think what he was saying based off of the beginning there Because I think you're almost there right is that we have as audiences been trained to to view it as somehow Unwanted uncomfortable that you can't say, you know to your friend. Hey, man. I love you. I care about you I think he's saying that we've been trained for that Which is that but with comedy instead of yeah, that's the that's the avoid Yeah, the avoidance of sincerity you like to to open yourself up to someone else or to Express your emotions sincerely or to have moments where people can It's kind of honest and sincere is something to be able to run away from criticism because yourself aware Where you're like, well, yeah, yeah, but I'm not really the films in on it, too The film's like, yeah, I know guys. I know I know Yeah, like a film. Yeah. Yeah a film is trying to be a film too much and not trying to be a story It's just I'm not very brave as a storyteller. It's almost like you don't have as much faith in people accepting Um the earnestness of your story. So you use it as a shield. It's like, yeah, but that maybe that's cringe You know, oh, yeah, yeah, that's kind of funny. That's kind of a trope, you know The kind of person who doesn't hold to any position Everything is always couched and well, I think or maybe or I don't know or I guess So like they will not hold firm to anything or say anything with any level of I guess confidence they always they're everything has a back door built into it. They're too wishy-washy First with style of humor where something weird or shocking happens in a movie and the character responds to it by Riley remarking Well, that just happened Why couldn't you make that a little quieter man down the balancing? Most people agree that the earliest example of this phrase being used was in the 2000 film state in Maine Just gotta be careful for the little copyright, you never know. God, I hope I hope he doesn't get shot So that happened now ironically even though this is the go-to example that people tend to use when discussing how modern blockbusters Are overusing this style of humor that exact phrase is it? I've never heard this movie referenced before ever mean either Always or is he referring to the line? Well, that just happened It might be interesting that the first instance isn't actually exactly what the line is Yeah, well, yeah, I mean Like luke. I am your father when it's no. Hi. I'm your father Yeah, at least one of those like it's in an intuitive representation of a problem that isn't even like there is no Line for that in the mcu. It's it's kind of funny because it feels like there is though Well, yeah, like it's you know, I don't even think forespoken doesn't have that line exactly, right? But it's uh, it's a vibe amp man. I'm a Quonsomania This has been a long day. What was it? A lot has happened today is essentially that line It's it's that you know kind of line. Well, you have that you have uh, when he battles the big Jelly son. He says, huh, that was weird Yeah, exactly And then of course the um, I didn't know you could do that Mm-hmm Paze is actually not as common in movies as you might expect based on that fact In fact, the line doesn't actually appear in any marvel cinematic universe films He does throw up in Denis Villeneuve's arrival Man the first half of this movie was cool So if this joke isn't actually used in that many major movies and the only recent example I could find was from a And that one is definitely way more of a that's not like a wink and nudge at the audience That's just like the character expressing to himself disbelief at a thing that's occurring Yeah, like that was actually really weird. That's that's pretty earnest. Yeah So it's kind of interesting even though that's pretty close to it I'd say that one doesn't fall into the category. It's doing the opposite. Yeah, it feels distinct. Yeah Dean science fiction drama from one of the most respected authors working today Why has it become such a punching bag on twitter in the last couple years? Well, even if that specific joke doesn't pop up in that many movies It's still perfectly exemplifies the style of humor that modern blockbusters are becoming increasingly reliant on Yeah, I think that's why the phrase has become the wait. Hold on. We got avengers here. What's what's uh Oh, no, tread carefully dude. What are we about to say? Well, even if that specific joke doesn't pop up in that many movies It's still perfectly exemplifies the style of humor that modern blockbusters are becoming increasingly reliant on Every character is a deadpan snark machine who constantly feels the need to assure the audience that they know What you just saw was weird and goofy. So you don't have to feel silly for enjoying it It's basically a way of assuring the audience that you're watching a cool superhero movie that that isn't a I'm assuming that he brought up the avengers there just to highlight the avengers kind of mcu in general Well, right now it just seems to be in the Tony stock Does the rye common tree that can be met at some times, which is true and it's funny. Oh, it's best Well, it's the thing is is that there is a place for meta comedy Uh, I mean if it's good, right? Like if it's if it's funny consistently and reliably a lot of this relies on if it's good But that's comedy. Yeah exactly. I'm gonna mean Well, because a lot of people point to it, right the avengers Kind of set the trend because it was successful and people found it funny. They blame just Sweden for it That well that yeah that it's it's it's that style of humor And really like what you would say is marvel humor is like a warped misunderstanding of the kind of humor and balancing of tone that existed in avengers Yeah, I'm afraid to poke fun at how silly it is because it's for grown-ups There are actually a few different subcategories of jokes that all fall under the well that just happened banner Examples include superhero's name slash costume is silly. No one.  We don't want to hear god.   Dude, it ruined that game I think that if they didn't post that our teaser people wouldn't have been as tuned into this as a problem Because I'm pretty sure this line shows up in my first trailer for that game So for a year it was around but nobody knew but then you put in that little uh Little teaser on twitter and it just ruined that whole game It derailed the whole thing. It's incredible marketing Since your emotional moment gets punctured by a snarky quick I'm sorry. What are we watching because this is new because I hate it or the oh man, I haven't seen the Eternals. I'm sure it's great. I haven't seen it either. I have not either the mcu build classic Character repeats another character's name, but incorporates the word what into it the illuminati Yeah, I knew this is it. Oh, no The Illuma Wadi, but yeah, these are all these are all good examples of Mutations of the well that just happened meme. I basically agree with all of these Yeah, this one. Yeah, especially feels like so the illuminati is a comic thing. That sounds a little bit dumb, doesn't it? And then we get more to deliver it Call me viewer, you know We get more to deliver it and then he's like the illuminati very serious very well acted because that actor was awesome And then it's like man, this is a little this is a little too serious This is getting a little cringe.  What now And then the whole audience laughed because it was such a good joke And anybody laughing I don't think anybody lost in the theater illuminati is a very difficult word to say All right, wait, what did you say Illuma Wadi? There I go Oh, I'm all right. What are we gonna do with you?    Oh Please please don't agree. Please don't agree. Please don't agree style complicated Maybe but like are we gonna acknowledge the fact that joss reedons way better at writing it than these people The now disgraced writer director who helped to popularize this style with his television work on Buffy and Firefly in the late Nineties that sounds like something out of science fiction.  It's technically true Well, we all we have to go on is the allegations, right?  I think the the c