If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump with your hosts Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this episode of Mind Pump For the first 48 minutes Adam Justin and I do our normal introductory conversation. We talked about well I don't know if it was normal this time. No a little political. It was good We talked about that easy talk right that song by Kanye Yay versus the people we got into it with that one. We talked about the history of Minimum wage how minorities Tend to they think that they're gonna always get their vote with the Democrat Party and what that's starting to look like So that gets a little controversial. We talked about Kim Jong-un and the disrupting nature of Trump We're talking about Pizza Hut Pytops. 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It always hum sweet home It always feels good when we get back in our own studio as much as I love to travel as much as I love doing all things that we get out And do I do like to be back here with the boys Just something about our studio. It's like home man. It's the cave. This is home home field. This is home I can't podcast without my pants on anywhere else. No, it's inappropriate. That's the beauty. That's right It's just whatever so don't deal with it. It's more natural as well as we do So I'm really excited to bring this up today because you know Maybe about I don't know it's gonna be controversial, of course It was like maybe six months ago or whatever like that where we first got into the the rap debate about Rap is so shitty now and I told I told you guys that we sound like a bunch of And I agree I agreed with you that there is some shitty rap just like there was shitty rap back in you know 2000 sure, but there still are some you know poetic rappers or lyrically talented rappers out there and There's been some stuff that I've been posting on my stories and so that are the ones that I really enjoy and listen to and Recently probably one of the most controversial rap isn't that interesting? We all just collectively decided to start pay attention to rap again, and now it's turning into like oh, wow Look what's going on, you know what the political climate and how this is all getting you know Intertangled well, I've I never really stopped that was yeah, that was part of the frustration when we got yeah When we got into these arguments because I was like no, I'm listening. I'm not listening I was crazy. I was when I was a kid, but there still is some really talented rappers and Like I said, I've been talking about them But what recently has happened is Kanye and Kanye is by far the probably most controversial rapper That's out there right now. He's loved by so many and he's hated by probably just as many too and For him to come out and I don't know if you would call this aligning with Trump, but he did a song that was obviously supporting him is the one you showed us Yeah, this is what it just got dropped like just like three days versus the people. Yeah, you versus the people right or yay versus the people con yay What do you guys think? What do you think dude knows what he's doing? There's a there's an interesting cultural shift That's happening, and I think This is Part of it. This is this this particular song. It's gonna be a major part of it Well, he has a lot of influence. He does, but it's it's it's there's there's there was already this rumble that started happening Relatively recently during the campaign during the presidential campaign You're seeing a lot more minorities because what's happened for a long time and I wish people knew I wish history was taught Accurately in many respects is it's not it's not very accurate or they just don't talk about it but for a long time for a long time now the The the Democrat Party and I'm not I don't necessarily I don't align with either side. Okay. I'm just this is just factual the Democrat Party has for a long time taken for granted that they have this kind of guaranteed Minority support like guaranteed. They're gonna get the the black vote guaranteed. They're gonna get the woman vote guaranteed They're gonna get the Hispanic you know the minority vote actually Hispanics are flocking now to the Conservatives five and and more so before as well than than other minorities But they were definitely more Democrat but you're starting to see them now come over or move over to more of the conservative type of vote and There's a cultural shift that's starting to happen I think what's happening is and I I 100% give credit to technology because Old media was so controlled by by by those in power so controlled That if that they just wouldn't put minorities on TV who said or put messages that were counter to what they are Yeah, and and not only that but now for decades you've had Democrat run cities and states and we had a you know a minority president for eight years and People are like yo man like nothing's fucking changing Chicago got more violent and more dangerous during the eight years that Obama was president When you look at cities that are run by and I'm not this isn't I'm not saying pro-Republican by the way I'm just saying that the other facts. It's a fact. They're taking for granted that they're guaranteed to get that vote You know I'm saying and they play that card You know very very strongly and but if you look at history And this is what's happening now with technologies that you get a lot of minority voices Voices coming out saying hey, you know just because you're a Democrat don't doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for you no matter what Like I want to see some like see what's happening and also people are starting to learn That's what I feel like the underlining message of this song. Yeah, it's more about like challenge You know just cuz I'm just cuz we're black doesn't mean we have to be Democrat That's right I mean I think that that was one of the most powerful statements he makes in the song Let me tell you something so if you look at the history of the parties Don't we have to go back that far you look at the history of the parties the Democrat Party was the party of slavery It was the party for Segregation they filibustered the civil rights act They were the party of the KKK. This is fact. This is not disputable. It's 100% fact. They don't believe me Go look it up yourself Up until not that long ago. Okay? They were the they were the racist party the Republicans were the party of Lincoln they were the party of ending slavery they were the party that supported the Civil Rights Act the ended segregation and it wasn't necessarily because and here's what happens. I think people Confused or or they think oh does it mean that these white people like minorities or that these white people don't like minorities That's part of it. But the other part of it is if you look at the history of the Republican Party Republican is the Republic They that's what it that's where the term comes from and what they valued was the constitutional Republic that America was founded on which was based on Individual liberties so to them it was like I don't you can be whatever minority you want the smallest minority of all is the individual so we need to protect individual liberties and that was kind of the what was behind it and So if you look at history, that's what you see I'll give you a great example if we talk about a law like Minimum wage or policies like minimum wage laws Minimum way the the party today that supports raising minimum wage a history of minimum wage is crazy. It's crazy the history of Or the party that tends to support raising a minimum wage is the Democrats, right now if you look at historically Minimum wage laws, how did they start? Well in this country at least During when we were laying out railroads wasn't it wasn't it didn't they put it to keep blacks from getting jobs, right? Wasn't that the main reason?   They were based on limiting and eliminating and preventing minorities from progressing Because again, and when you're in a free market system You want it to be expensive for someone to be racist you want it to be expensive for someone to be Sexist and if someone is you know racist and sexist something that you can bargain with is how much they pay you and then of course as You continue working you build more skills and whatever Things start to tend they tend to start to change But anyway, that was a minimum wage is a racist law it started that way everybody knew it That's back when people understood economics and now today they're like no We're gonna help minorities by raising minimum wage when in reality if you look at a purse if you look at percentages, right a larger percentage of minorities tend to be You know more of them tend to be poor more of them tend to have less education and you tend to be disenfranchised Nobody would argue that right that statistics again So you're gonna make it you're gonna make them unemployable if you're if you're somebody that has low skills You don't have a lot of education. Maybe you have a prison record.  You don't have any experience I'm not gonna pay you 15 bucks an hour. I'd pay you 10, but unfortunately I can't do that So you basically you've basically increased the unemployment among the disenfranchised which today, you know You could say minorities or whatever, but really it's just low skilled I mean doesn't matter if you're white whatever and this is true anytime minimum wage goes up Unemployment among the disenfranchised goes up because now you're making it harder for them to enter the market because it's expensive Versus eliminate that now I'm entering the market. I have low skills and all this other stuff You know, hey look, I'll work for you know eight bucks an hour. I'll work for seven bucks an hour Let me prove myself. Let me gain some skills. You've taken that away from them So anyway, my point with all this is that the Democrat Party and I believe was under Lyndon B. Johnson and There's I'm not even gonna quote some of these quotes that he said and I think it's Lyndon B. Johnson Maybe we can look up look it up I'm not even gonna say what he said because terrible a lot of lot of racist term terminology But this is there's real quotes that were overheard by staff and it's it's semi widely accepted that these are actual quotes He came up with a plan to get the minority vote and and and so they started really, you know Advertising to them very heavily We're gonna get this vote and so what's happened over time is they've gotten lots of things promised to them Lots of things are gonna change lots of things are gonna happen and instead you've got you know It's worse like if you live in a in a poor neighborhood, for example, you know, we talk about gun control Let's look at let's look at some of the most dangerous cities in America some of them are conservative but a lot of them are run by by by liberal Politicians and they've got very very very very strict gun control But there's fucking good killings and gunshot, you know killings like crazy, right? So what you've essentially done is you've got the single mom or this guy or whatever trying to go to work He's fucking like man I walk through some of these streets and I'm afraid to get mugged or robbed but I can't have a gun legally So I'm gonna have to carry one illegally, but if I use this illegal gun to defend myself I'm going to jail too so you create this situation where and they're starting to say this They're starting to say this kind of stuff like hey, you know look at you know the drug policy Look at all these things that you know you said we're gonna help us in fact But what they've done is that put more people in jail made it impossible for me to defend myself Harder to get job harder to get education. Look at education The most people like to say like we need public programs and public education because it creates more equality There's nothing more unequal than public education.   You're not helping anybody. It's getting worse. So maybe we'll start to Listen to the other side and other people so it's gonna be interesting to see ambitious now no matter what I think that There's plenty of manipulation on both sides Mm-hmm, and this just happens to be Kanye talking about this one topic and But and what I like and what I appreciate about rap and about songs like this, you know Love or hate him the song is whatever. It's not like a great song doesn't have a great hook to it or anything crazy like that But the message behind it I think is powerful.  They're just buying into but have you really thought about it?  Have you if you looked into, you know, like Besides like getting what you're getting from media Have you actually dove in and saw all the plays that are happening and like who's really making moves in your community that are making a difference? It's like are you just accepting? What's the common thought everybody has shares together the oldest It's the oldest game in the book politics politicians have been with forever I just watched a documentary on Hugo Chavez who turned Venezuela from a you know semi-wealthy You know emerging South American nation to a place now where people are eating Rats and dogs and cats and starving in the streets and he did that he did this on a higher level But this is what politicians have been doing forever.  Oh, you know what?  They're gonna it's in their benefit not in yours Well, this is also too that makes me skeptical of all this as much as I enjoy it and the conversation We're having about it. So that is any time politicians and celebrities Align any message.    Yeah, I definitely wouldn't bet against you on that But I mean if you're am I if you're if you openly support Trump and your minority You run the major risk of being called a sell-out or actually if you support anybody. It's not a Democrat It's been like this for a long time, but you're seeing more and more of it happen because I think people are Questioning things and I'm not saying the answer is to vote Republican I think the answer is to vote like open be open-minded Don't don't let don't don't just think you got a vote for someone just cuz they belong to a political party Cuz I'm gonna you know, here's a here's a little little wake-up call Many times they act the same when they're in office So somebody could say one thing the other guy says the other thing they got they get an office They do the same shit. So you got to look at what they're doing not just you know, the party that they belong to or the color of their skin, you know I feel like Sometimes people like you know like Obama. I'll tell you what man Obama campaigned against so many different things that he then Supported when he was in office, but people kind of gave him a Pass cuz he was so eloquent and so I remember I remember watching him as a senator railing against you know Indefinite detention of American citizens without rule of law and that which you can you can read in the National Defense Authorization Act. He also railed against the Patriot Act. He hammered Bush on those two things. Well, guess who signed those things like several times while he's in office and kept promoting him Obama He was the same guy.  It's interesting. There's a there's an interesting culture shift that's starting to happen and trump is He's the worst nightmare for That the for the democrats worst nightmare ever because he does everything.  And then he gets more support or the media or whoever goes after him like they go after all politicians But with things that would normally destroy politicians and for whatever reason He's like bulletproof on that kind of stuff. Yes the old mud slingy isn't really working anymore. No, and then like and then of course you've got like You know, he'll say something like I mean look at what happened with north korea Like that is a miracle people don't really talk about that for a minute I don't know that people realize what significance that is in the world right now if it sticks If it sticks, I mean, this is the first time north korean president has come across You know the the fricking divide between south korean north korea and shook hands And ended the by the way that the korean war has been ended It hadn't it wasn't ended before it was just it was just a truce like like, okay We're not going to do anything, but we're still at war type of deal and they've agreed to a few things We'll see if he follows through with it, but This is the first time In decades and you know what you know, it's if I'm a democrat.    How are we going to beat this guy? Oh my god, you know So now are you speculating that a lot of the stuff that was going back and forth with china and everything that with tariffs and things like that Has is a part of all this.    So And it's weird man. I I haven't seen a republican get this much Buzz around like minority support a lot of people say minorities don't like trump I'm seeing more support for him than i'm than i can remember for republican You know, maybe all the way back to reagan, you know reagan had a decent amount You know, especially when he when he ran the first time. Oh, i'm sure that's downplayed a lot in the news I don't know man. This is this is weird, but they have a guy like can we call him running for eight already? I don't I don't I do not see I don't see how they're gonna touch him I don't who they're gonna put against them bernie sanders. No bernie sanders get killed. Yeah Another celebrity maybe Yeah, maybe maybe you said she didn't want anything to do with it. I think she backed out Yeah, but I I you know I the thing about The thing that I don't like about politics is that they've created this false Uh illusion of choice and saying you only have two options to choose from and they actually create laws to make it To to to keep it that way whereas if you're another party, they make it very difficult for you to even get on the ballot It's funny that we even have parties and all that stuff exists It should just be like a man or a woman is running. Yep. They're running.  Oh, it's cool to be pro that and oh wait It's not anymore. So now this it's oh, here's a good one. Like what can you trust what you really? Here's a good one for people Obama in 2008 when he ran for this first term as president openly campaigned against Gay marriage literally said I believe marriage between a man and woman. So did Hillary and then of course afterwards they changed their tune after The polls were showing consistent majority support Of for gay marriage. I'm sure so they don't run on principle.  They're like look and see You know, what's going on who the people are and kind of look between the lines because otherwise They got a stranglehold on us and this this is what's happening.  It's just interesting. It's interesting that this what's happening. It feels like this kind of cultural shift Where shit's starting to get I I love it. I think that I think I love it too. That's that's why I like I mean Man, this is where Again, it's me defending my argument from six months ago without that like man. You cannot say like this isn't Powerful music whether you like it or not whether you can understand it or not like whatever I mean, it's it's powerful shit to talk about I won't argue with that You know it used to be um during the counterculture times of the 60s and 70s that Like rock was the voice, you know of uh, it was like the controversial voice Where you'd have you know Artists would come out and talk about Things that were that it was punk rock before it was going against you in the monarchy Yeah, and and now in rap does this really well I I can't like other than rapping pop music never does this right they try but it's bullshit But rap artists have been doing this since the Since the 80s and 90s where they're coming out and talking about what's happening in their neighborhoods What's happening and you know god they've been controversial for a while now Well, I mean that's part of what we all had a lot of love for tupac and biggie and so I thought I know that's what we We talked when we they had they nwa.  They've been under attack a lot, which is very interesting to me It's like the that's like the last stranglehold. They're trying to like, you know Corral and you can't you know, you can't like comedians I don't know what it is, but it's just like you can't stop these thoughts, you know like it has to be expressed and um, I that's why I love comedy because you can you can present something that's really thought provoking but like It's it's deliverable. It's it's in a way that that's receivable for most people So I gotta I gotta transition as out of this this really heavy political talk right now because I just remembered something that I had seen while we were out in austin Well, and it was a dm so I apologize for whoever sent it over to me But I get a lot of people that are sneakerheads because I post my my sneakers and they're like they share stuff And it's cool like different shoes And this dude sends me over or messages me like man, you gotta get them pizza hut shoes And I go I go pizza hut shoes.   I forgot there is uh 50 I know I shouldn't know better right here because there's it's however many teams are in march madness I think there's 52. Oh, it's somewhere around there. Don't quote me on that But it's like 52 or 60 or somewhere between 52 and 60 Shoes were made. That's it. That's all that are in existence But these pizza hut shoes they look like old school kind of like Nike high tops, but they're not Nike.  Thank you, Doug. So 68 of them that were that were made So you can order pizza from your sneakers by a push of a button So because because they're they're linked to an app the app is then connected to Delivery pizza hut in the app You have the option to make your your custom favorite shoes or what like that I mean, there's only 68 of them.  Oh, I'm curious to see what they're what they're How would you even buy them if there's so few? I mean, no, there's a there's always a market. It's called auction Yeah, pie tops pie tops. Yeah, isn't that great? That is great. It's hilarious. I love how marketing is getting so creative now So do I try to create that viral right right right? I think that's I think it's clever, man I think I think it's really clever What is it?   Yeah, so you like the way it works exactly the way it works Is you preset in the app like your your favorite pizza, you know, and then all you got to do is hit that button Bro, think of imagine this you're at a party. I'm feeling a pizza.   Yeah, and nobody cares about that anymore. So you do you know what happened, right? So this is the kind of this is a cool topic to talk to taylor because taylor's into this even more than I am like he's the super sneaker head out of all of us, but Jordan's is what really did all this like if there was there's actually a shoe market now and you can there's apps There's beckets. There's things you can go and look up and see The the value of a shoe. So all the shoes that I wear and then I have A majority of them. Okay. What is that? Wow? Oh bidding on them right now. There's this like a what is this like a stock? Wow, this is like a becket or whatever. I guess. Yeah. Yeah see $900 was the sale of the last pair So and this exists for like all shoes now There's there is especially shoes that are popular that people wear They've released these limited editions and people go out buy them by all of them And then they instantly the next day are worth Hundreds of dollars typically more than they were when they released And and you can wear them and still turn around and sell them for Damn near what you pay for them sometimes more I've got sneakers that I paid X amount of dollars for and they're two three times worth what what they were when I first bought them And and I can sell them at least get my money back or maybe a little more worn So that's why I'm such a why I'm so much into it and why I collect them is because it's like One I get to have them and I love them and I get to wear them all time And then if I really ever needed the money for some reason that I need to sell them Like I could definitely sell my collection and make quite a bit of money off Wow, what are the what things today do you think will be valuable? Like you know what I mean with like on a on a secondary market in the future? Well, you know, it's funny is and you've mentioned this before and I agree with you that a lot of this stuff You know will be different, you know because With 3d printing you're going to be able to make a lot of things, but It might make it more valuable. It could because here's the thing Here's this here's the argument to that is that We already have this we already have knockoffs of everything and there is a market for that There's people that wear fake ass louis Vuitton purses and shoes and things like that huge market in china Yeah, and exactly there's and they look just like at the average person who's just walking by would never know But then there but there are still people that want the real thing And that will pay that extra money even if it looks spot on to the the fake stuff So maybe when 3d printing comes out you may be able to 3d print something that looks like something that's custom May but it won't be the actual custom. Yeah, I don't I don't think so because it's like I agree with you because like You could easily get a painting that looks identical to A Picasso or a Picasso you could print that on a inner on a piece of paper and put it in your house But it wouldn't be worth it's not going to be worth nearly as much because it's not the real thing Yes, yeah, so I wonder what we like what other things like I wonder if old tech Yeah, will be worth a lot of in fact. No, I will yeah like blacksmithing and you know, like old trades like You know if you're a craftsman and you you have a certain skill of like wood carving or you know I just see a lot of unique opportunities there because it's physically made by a person Well, I think that but google dug this real quick doogle doogle it Yeah Doogle for shugal Gug doogle it uh off-white Dood off-white sneakers I think when I said old tech what I mean is like if you bought if you have an old nintendo the original Yeah, you know that shit's worth way more than you bought it out. Yeah So like what if you had like an old cell phone or old headphones or whatever? I bet you that should have been more designed or sneakers that down but yeah right there So this is what you see now a lot of this is just one example There's a there's a there's a ton of these Uh these guys that take Shoes like a style that already already exist. Oh, and then they just do their own art on it or whatever Yeah, then they then they put their own twist and design into it And then it turns in because of them being a famous artist already So it's like if Picasso was alive today Picasso would have sneakers. Yeah in my opinion You know I'm saying like there's like and there's there's guys that do this that that there there's artists or these designers that are Brilliant and talented and have the new da Vinci pumps Now and so what I love to see what we're seeing right now too in the market space is a lot of Collaborating, you know, there's a lot of that you see these in commercials now You never saw this in commercials sprite and Doritos doing a commercial together, you know, it's like that's you know Those are different, you know, and but they're not competing and so there's who started that I think I have an idea Taco Bell and their Doritos Yeah tacos was that was an interesting combo and blew up. Yeah, it went crazy. It went crazy That's an interest. I wonder who was the first like the first big ones. I feel like it was them. Maybe I mean as far as like major brands like doing one big thing together I mean, there's probably more examples than that that we're not thinking about top of our head But that is a good example of that and you're seeing more of that So I you know to wrap up what we're talking about I do believe in the future Even when 3d printing a stuff comes out and there still will be people that will seek out these artists that You know still collaborate with shoes and make them You know what it could potentially make it more expensive like you're saying and maybe I think it will be because it'll be more rare Yeah, it'll be more rare that you get that and more much more common that people can just print it off themselves So just increase the value of it.  Did you know so I have a friend that's a police officer and he said one of the We were this back when I did jiu-jitsu And he's like, yeah one of the best things you could do to ensure that your car doesn't get stolen is buy a stick shift he's like Thieves like thieves or whatever they don't Yeah, because they're the young thieves are stupid They purposely they've never even seen it. They're like, ah, no, they won't they won't steal a car He said yeah, it's rare super rare that someone steals a stick shift because so many of these kids don't know how to drive them It's hilarious. It makes a lot of sense. I've never heard that before. Isn't that funny? Yeah, but it makes total sense Actually, most kids don't know how to drive stick shift. If you talk to most kids. It's like an old Relic of a skill of my girl. My girl can't drive a stick Me either come on. Yeah, that's uh, isn't that crazy? Is your wife drive stick? Yes Yes, she was into like hot rod and stuff though.   I forgot about red. Oh, it was red. Yeah red like teetop Oh, when you guys were at 24, right? Uh-huh. Oh for why don't know why that became my car I had that for a minute and was driving 17 like a bad out of hell. What kind of what year was it? Um, it was a newer model. It was a newer one It was one of the ones that where it was like it was the best looking one before it, you know, they re-branded The whole thing to make it look like the old Oh, yeah. Yeah, so it was like the very last ss was a fat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those are the fully. Yeah Those are like 340 horsepower.  No, I got it on it Well, and those cars are lighter too.  I like that's that's really cool. Um, so How'd you guys feel after all that drinking that we did? Not bad. Not bad, right surprisingly. Okay, dude.   No, I told Katrina champion No, I told Katrina this that I mean ever and I've mentioned this on a show like I don't drink very much because It just doesn't sit well with me, dude. I don't I don't feel good at all And this week we we went out two nights and got after it. We never drink either No, never we don't and not like that not like six plus drinks. Yeah, we went hard and so funny sows like I remember we were sitting at the that's my role the animals that swanky bar that we were at And we're all sitting at the tail and sows passing out pills to everybody And I remember like we're all non-slot taking it. We're doing it I'm thinking like how weird is that for people probably like probably looks like what? Yeah, what are those pills people used to do like in the 70s? I think we're doing ecstasy or something. You know say like all sudden everybody's trying and then drinking Yeah, we're drinking the night started and sal comes out of his pocket hands over these dark quailudes. Yeah We're doing quailudes or something. No, that's that's my role, dude I always bring all the stuff I think we may need to keep us like healthy and feeling good and charcoal man activated charcoal absorbs toxins Reduces and this is an anecdote. I don't think there's any studies on this But I haven't met anybody who's done this who says it doesn't work no game changer for me Dude doesn't upset your stomach doesn't get upset and then you wake up the next day Especially when you do the I wish you'd get organized to make the charcoal We should reach out to them until well I mean we were using the turmeric afterwards because I figure you're gonna have some inflammation because A lot of times what happens what you get the hangover because we were still tired the next day because we went to bed Oh, yeah, no, I was tired still for sure, but that had nothing I didn't feel shitty my stomach didn't feel sick You didn't get the headache Yes, because we we got rid of the toxins and because we the anti-inflammatory effects So you wake up the next day and you're tired if you go to bed late But you don't feel sick because normally hangovers just Ruins all day and it takes you sometimes a day or two to recover just because it's just you know You put yourself out from all the inflammation and just like all the lack of sleep. So what a great town to go out in though Austin is such a that's why we went out.    What's up? Yeah, yeah, cool. Thanks. And he's like man. No homo man. I just want to say you look good tonight You had to throw that out there. Yeah, right, right. I was like, okay, that was different You know what I'm saying? But it was cool because it just made me realize like man A lot of these people out here They're cool are very very cool and chill all the bars on rainy and sixth for you to be able to go from Walking the streets back.  Like that was at roosevelt's. I think it was called That was a great lounge. I'm not I'm not super keen on the pact I know I'm I noticed this about myself a while ago and it's super true I'm uh I'm an introvert extrovert or extrovert introvert when you wouldn't call it like I can be very extroverted But I also don't like super crowded situations with that are really loud because then I feel like It's tough to have a good conversation things tend to be very surface, which I hate.  I just feel I just feel like I don't know.  Yeah, I I go somewhere between like kind of dive bar But like that other place that went where it was like there's lots of games. That was fun. There's outside There's an upper deck like yeah, like I I totally dig that kind of a vibe And there was a lot of bars like that there I was so happy because but at the end though, we went to that really really packed place And I was I was like, all right. Yeah, Connor's idea. How about the How about that vapor shot that we took? Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, I said there was like only six No, no three he said three.  It's like a bomb rip, but it's alcohol alcohol. Yeah, and it and it burns a little bit I'm pretty sure it's not good for your lungs, but You get I get a weird but I didn't feel a burn at all. Did you a little you could tell you're inhaling something That's probably not I'm gonna have the nice taste the aftertaste of whiskey And but yeah, it was just like it was an interesting feeling And then you get like a kind of a buzz off of it a little head high a little bit of a head Yeah, yeah It reminds me of if you're not a smoker and you tried smoking or something like that Or it feels kind of like that if you're not used to what I liked about the scene there And I don't know if this is common in a lot of places because I don't typically go to a lot of bars So maybe you guys can can you know Because we go all the time.  So more than I do.  We played street double dragon, dude Yeah, we played double dragon. We played street fighter.   So it's this big I actually didn't get a chance to hit that I wanted you to because I was beating everybody Now Sal was killing it. He was doing this whole technique that I he finally told me what he was up to But that's funny. So there's I got to out of it.  He's like, hey, let's talk business like right I want to hear what's talk numbers, right?  And so we just started and then Yeah, some chick just like Oh god, how annoying is that? There was a couple girls that that did that to to us with like, hey, can you take our picture? And I'm like, okay, so take a picture. Oh, yeah We're just here because we're modeling and the public they're probably listening by the way because I Subscribed them to mine pump. I'm not gonna leave I'm gonna get two subscribers as That's how we roll, right? Try to get it so we'd ask for a number like, yeah, let me get you They were sweet girls, you know, they were young but subscribed to our show But they're like, yeah, we're models. We're just here. Oh, but we're smart too We went to college and we did the blood and I'm this and I'm that sound themselves.  Uh, we're we're talking. I literally was like, oh, that's cool. That's very interesting I wanted some of that silver fox. I'm like, hey, let me see your phone real quick Boom in the house you're subscribed to mine pump. Thank you. But anyway, uh, there was it's a it's like this punching bag thing This game and you punch it and it measures The strength of your punch.  It is really, you know, it's crazy is that they have a thing like that And there's no fighting around it. Of course not because you're punching that so you get to prove it, right? So we set this thing up I put my credit card in there and it you know thing comes out and I'm like Justin come do this with me So we so I hit it and I don't remember what I got like 8 880 or something.   He's like, how did you do that?  He's like you motherfucker I wonder if there would have been an advantage for me because I'm tall and I'd be coming down Oh, if you knew that technique and you have uh leverage like all those games you can figure out a little bit There's always a little trick because I was looking at it. I'm like, oh, this is swinging on this pivot point right here Leave it to Sal to break down the physics. I know I feel like he said that but he got like, you know, some insight from like some carny somewhere Like here's how you do it, you know, some guy jumped in with you guys I don't know if yeah, so there was this one dude who's claimed a fame in life is that he's good at this game And he's like hitting and he's like He's that guys that they're every night. Yeah waiting He's like high-fiving me all hard like oh getting all aggressive. I'm like That's when I left I'm like you can have fun with this guy. I gave him the Bruce Lee comment. I'm like that's nice But bag doesn't punch back But it was a good time This clause brought to you by Organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge Try Organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20 off at checkout Our first question is from n8 morris Can you share some of your best tips to increase your need throughout the day? You know what's cool? We actually and this will come out probably I don't know maybe Uh within a week or so of of this show An interview that we did with ben greenfield where we kind of touched we did a lot of things We talked a lot about this with him and I think we all Collectively agreed, you know Now and where we're at in our lives and all the clients that we train that this could arguably be one of the most important things And tips and that I've ever given clients as far as Overall health wellness longevity and maintaining, you know a healthy body weight quality of life Yeah, period right is just and I think the message to me and why I I think I beat it into the ground so much is that I I feel like it's becoming more important every day, you know every day.  Yeah, you know everything can be brought to us now by an app And the steps and the movement the neat Is is collectively just you literally have to schedule it now. Yeah, and you have to make it It's own ritual and so what I did like and you bring a ben greenfield up as an example What we talked about he basically just created some rules for himself when in certain situations He has certain movements that he does To make love that. Yeah to make sure he gets like a good amount of activity and exercise in And I was thinking about that I'm like, wow I actually I do a very similar thing like and you know, and I know you too Adam had talked about like after eating dinner like you go for a walk or For me when I watch tv a lot of times we'll get into the 90 90 position I'll get into certain types of mobility movements Instead of just sitting on the couch and like laying down the whole time like why and You know, there's just certain things like I just feel more when I when I sit down like my day is is done Like I want to stay up. But even if I'm just lightly moving I'm more prone to being productive cleaning the house like Getting other types of exercising in it's like a momentum builder. Yep. Now neat stands for non exercise activity thermogenesis So for people who are like, what is this? It's basically all the Movement that you do that's not scheduled workout. So it's just your day your your your daily activity Now here's the interesting thing about this by the way because neat tends to be done throughout the entire day Right, it's not scheduled one hour two hour type workout. It's the stuff you do out You know all day long. What's interesting about this is they've actually done studies where they've compared Cardio for example, and they'll say, okay, this group of people does an hour of cardio once a day But this guy this group over here does 30 minutes twice a day And they'll break it up and what they find is the more even though it's a total time is the same the frequent You know, uh, you know activity Tends to burn more body fat and and give you better health. Now. I noticed this with uh trigger sessions that we put in maps anabolic now You can kind of classify it as neat. It's similar. It's it's kind of a workout as well But it's short eight minute, you know, little pump sessions that you do throughout the day It's closer in my opinion. It's closer to neat than it's to like a heavy resistance. Yeah, because it's not intense You know, it's throughout the day But you know some of the things I noticed when I would do that was my body would get leaner faster Of course the muscle building last up But here's the thing that is undersold that needs to be sold more often When you move throughout the day the thing that I noticed more than anything was the change in my mood in my energy Yes, it's like, uh, it's like a the best.  I'm a silly like that or For every hour, I'm gonna get up and do a 10 minute walk around the building, right? So you figure you're you're working for Let's say for seven hours you're working or eight hours, right? You do 10 minutes, you know each time That's 70 or 80 minutes But it's spread out throughout the entire day and what you'll also find is after that 10 minute walk or that 10 minutes of You know, five push-ups and 10 squats, which might it won't even take 10 minutes You'll find that your your ability to think clearly your wakefulness your mood everything Feels so much better and I'll I'll I'll say this for general health You know frequent small bouts of activity are are probably better than less frequent You know more intense bouts of activity and you see this with All the studies that they've done on people who live a long time Many of them don't have scheduled workouts, but they have their daily activity is is quite high How crazy was it when we were talking about Ben and his wife? That's what I was gonna say Dude, but I had no idea. I mean if when you see Ben's wife, she is in phenomenal shape She's got shoulders to her. She's got she could see her bicep vein I mean she and she looks really good and he says she works out maybe once a week It's because she's outside doing you know chopping wood. They live on like a farm, right? So she's Hey carrying bales of hay and she's doing yard work like crazy.  And so I was like man I guess just like anything else you okay. Well, that's too challenging. It's too much I need to simplify this And I don't remember the trainer or the person that I met that gave me this idea way back when but I started to implement it With all my clients and I'd give them like this little this this little sticker pat And you know, I normally give like pick like two or three colors on there So like a blue one and there'd be these little circles, you know the size of like a nickel And I would have them put it in certain places in their house like one on the refrigerator One on the tv What like in just random places that I knew where they'd be sedentary or consuming or doing things like that And then I would give them little things to do and not a lot It would be like when you go to the refrigerator and you see that blue dot You owe me 20 body weight squats. That's it.  I knew that were really simple things to accomplish I did not want to Said and Ben and Ben give some ones that are I mean he's like 30 burpees in this now I know my clients wouldn't do 30 burpees in their kitchen every morning 20 squats inside the airplane Right, so I started off really easy with some things like that And that's where this all started and then you know, I started to play around with that myself See, I always love training and lifting So I didn't really feel like I had to start doing this until I got older And we got into a job where we sit and talk on a microphone all time Now this is really important And and people know too that I talk about the Fitbit a lot and how and this is how I really use this tool is I know that what looks like a active or a not active day for me So I easily should be able to hit about 10,000 steps just by being pretty active But a lot of times it could be as low as two or three thousand steps Just because shit, you know, I got sucked into the computer We had to record three episodes in a row and I was in a car and so I just haven't fucking moved And so this is why I love to where the Fitbit is for this reason right here It's just to give me that feedback at the end of the day I'll look at it at six o'clock at night and it's like, oh my god. I've only taken two thousand steps If that's the case it is mandatory for me to go on a one-hour walk Now a lot of times Katrina comes and does it with me And so it's a great time that we can talk and and her and I bond while I also knock out some neat But for sure It's a it's a rule that I've put on myself that if I got so busy throughout the day I didn't make my workout. I didn't do this and my steps are that low I need to most certainly go out and take a walk and do something like that Think about it this way if there was like a little A gauge that you had attached to your body that showed you positive and negative and positive being You know burning body fat building muscle becoming more fit becoming more healthy And then the negative was the opposite of all those things right and so throughout the day you could watch this gauge You have it's it's There's a ceiling to how far you can move it in the positive like you know a hard workout will move it It's about as high as it's going to go in terms of building muscle and burning body fat But in terms of the negative the the ceiling is I mean the limit is way way way way way lower And what I mean by that is if you lay around in bed all day long You will lose this just for one day you lose a significant amount of strength of health of fitness Of wellness more so than if you were super active all day long and how much positive So remember that you can you can swing your body in the negative Very easy and very quickly and if you don't believe me like I've used this example before put your arm in a cast for a week That's it just one week put your arm in a cast take that cast off and look and see what your arm looks like You will lose way more muscle than you could have built in months, you know and percentage wise so that negative happens Uh, it can happen very very quickly And so when you think of it that way think of it also this way rather than doing one or two hour hard Workout and then the rest of the day being totally sedentary Where you're going to swing that gauge to the positive a little bit But now because you're so sedentary all day long it goes down the negative and it just keeps going down lower and lower and lower Move throughout the day and that's why these frequent bouts of activity Seem to be far more effective than if you took all that time and just did it all at once So again, it's if you walk for 10 minutes every hour for eight hours That's 80 minutes of walking you'll probably get more of a general health benefit And maybe even a fat loss benefit than you did if you just did 80 minute walk all at once because you're countering that with Sitting for another nine hours versus the 10 minutes every hour You're moving that gauge up in the positive throughout the day And I've noticed this with working out and we can we can extrapolate this and move it towards You know, we talk about resistance training building muscle and we talk about Trigger sessions it just seems to be the case now in terms of how to increase your need Here's another really easy one. Just make We've heard this so many times right park your car further in the parking lot Take the stairs instead of the elevator like silly things like this Throughout the day Do make a difference and it's not just the calorie burn because I know when people think oh well How many calories could that possibly burn? Well, I mean we could play that game too. No, it's stimulus for your muscles For your whole body, you know So when you get to work park far away when you, you know Go to the grocery when you're going to a department store Take the stairs like do these little things throughout the day and those things make a big difference huge difference When you do them every single day they add up. I mean something right now. I'm doing and I know again the Trigger sessions is not considered need to be considered somewhat exercising But I I lean towards more being like neat because it is so easy Right now you've got the sharks and the warriors and playoffs So that's like just an incredible time for me to be watching tv or sitting on my ass So and we don't talk about this a lot.  I would be interested in the advice you would give a male who is 18% body fat And whose goal is to build a muscular physique. Well, I think it's that yeah cat It what doesn't mean you're going to be catabolic It doesn't mean that at all if you're in a surplus you're anabolic So anabolic doesn't always necessarily mean you're building muscle right it could mean you're putting fat on your body too So, I mean if you're let's say you're if you're at 18% body fat, which isn't super low But not super high either And you are trying let's say you're in a power lifter or you're a strength athlete and there's no weight class Will bulking benefit you probably you're going to get stronger You're going to put on more muscle you put on more body fat too But most people And this is more of a problem for men than women like most guys when they they want to put on muscle And size I don't think they realize how much bigger they look when they're leaner So they just they stay in this like bulk season forever where their body fat starts to creep above 20% They're like no no no i'm bulking right now And it's like you you would actually you would do better if you got a little leaner first And then try to put on size because you would look a lot bigger You know that's always been my approach.  I want to look at your magazine If that's what your goal is and you're considering bulking and you're 18% body fat Yeah, no, I don't think that's a smart strategy at all. I think it's a bad strategy completely But if you were powerlifting or a lineman or I don't know right a lot there's a lot of Sports and things that you could be where it's advantageous to be kind of thick And it's better that you're probably thick and maybe a little bit More body fat than to be super super lean So it really depends on the person's goal And I think we wanted to address that the whole 18% body fat and being silly trying to bulk like that If your main goal is looks and since that's a majority of people that are talking about body fat percentage I don't ever have power lifters talk to me about body body fat percentage. I've never had a power lifter Oh, I'm like at 16 the metrics of what they're putting up Yeah, they have to I mean they have to make a weight class And so that's their concern But they could give two shits if they're up or down two or three percent body fat If they're if their strength is going up and so that person sure if you want to bulk But most people that use terms like body fat percentage and bulking Are bodybuilder or aspiring competitors or people that are interested in aesthetics Yeah, that are interested in looking a certain way Here's something else you want to also consider if you're you do lose some of that Muscle building effect when you stay in a surplus consistently for a long time So one of the most anabolic things that you can ever do where you notice like a huge return Is if you go in a deficit for a little while and then you go back on your bulk, right?  I've I've never taken a a pro hormone or designer steroid that can compare You know after after when I got my body fat down to I got down like five percent or something like that Then I went and started eating more food and lifting weights It was like magic time here I go and i'm lifting weights and it's like Muscle is just coming on like crazy You know one piece of advice I always give people whose main goal is to gain muscle Is to be in a surplus for A week or two and make sure you throw in a few days of deficit Throw in some deficit days or maybe even a fast and then go back to eating In a surplus, you know and watch what happens to your body, but you know the old mentality used to be Gain as much weight as possible and then Carve down the body and get lean so they would be this this period of like, you know Eating a shit ton and then we're going to diet now for 12 weeks to reveal the body Underneath and you have to like take into account how much progress did you actually make with that approach? I mean you gained a lot of mass, but then when you shred back down And you compare the lean muscle of what you were previous to that how significant is that? Oh, what you see is you see people Put on all this they put on 20 30 pounds and it's almost an even split of fat and muscle.  They end up losing, you know 19 of those 20 pounds and kept one one pound of muscle It's like you did all of that just to gain one pound of muscle that was like so extreme so much work So much work so extreme so much food so much stress on the body right all all that one That's why I wanted to still it down to that because it's like, you know If you do like a more reasonable approach with this like you say like we're We're trying not to do these excessive bulks because we're just trying to gradually increase You may actually exceed that one extra pound of lean muscle All this stuff is what I really got into when I was competing like I loved Really hacking this and really like tracking volume and strategically Barely progressing myself from show over show over show And watching myself literally change my physique and see it grow if I just I okay I want to put more shoulders on me. Okay. I want more quads. Oh and then It's being able to know that what I want to do and then what I've been doing and then to build upon that I mean you can very much so Very mathematically figure this out and I think that people Had get caught up in what they see a lot of these Bodybuilders that post on instagram. It's bulking season or it's shredding season and they don't do what they do No, don't it's not they're not like you.  So we do body fat test calipers and I remember I get my body I don't remember what my body fat percentage was but I remember I knew what it was before I started the bulk And then I test it afterwards and then I did the math And I think I gained like 17 pounds on the scale And I was it was very disheartening to see that of that 17 of that 17 pounds something like 12 pounds of body fat So I gained all this weight For five pounds of lean body mass and here's the worst part when I cut down and got lean again I lost everything. I lost the body fat and the end most of the muscle that I gained It was this long period of time and I was like And you know, here's another thing you want to consider if you put on if you gain on your body Anybody just five to eight pounds of lean body mass. It's significant people can tell you can really tell I've I recently have put on I've probably gained about eight pounds on the scale And I'd say probably six pounds of it's lean body mass So two pounds of body fat about six pounds of muscle People are approaching me at paleo effects like dude. What are you doing man? It's not that big of a difference But lean body mass shows up that way with shape and with the way you look and you don't need to gain Shit tons of weight on the scale to make that big of a an impact and you know If you take your shirt off and you look in the mirror and you're like, well I'm bigger, but I don't look more muscular You know, you got to ask yourself a question like what are you doing the fear that guys have that or at least that I had was You know when I was trying to quote unquote bulk Is that be you know like let's say for me and I've talked about this before that I needed like five six thousand calories So I got you know day one six thousand calories day two Fifty five hundred day three six thousand day four five thousand then day five.    I'm like shoving all these tacos or whatever I put in my mouth So I don't lose this weight the next day But it doesn't work that way You know I'm saying like oh that that scale fluctuation that you see that up and down Most of that is water weight or the actual food that you have inside your body. It is not Body fat or muscle that you're seeing swing that hard. I do want to say something here Now we're talking about mostly about guys because I rarely ever see a woman who Stays into bulking for too long. Yeah, it's usually guys So I'll say this to the women girls cut too. Yeah a lot of you will benefit from eating a surplus Many of you will benefit greatly from being in a surplus because you're always so worried about my favorite things to do with female clients Dude, yeah, because a female client that comes to me and she goes I want to lose 20 pounds and then I go, okay cool. Track your food.  I want to lose weight, right? You want me to eat more food? I'm like, yeah, we're gonna eat more food I it's and it and then all of a sudden they build a little bit of muscle and things start to shape out And all and this happens because I know it fucks with a lot of their heads And I and I always will tell them like I'd like you to do this for a little bit longer But if it's really struggle for you mentally because you're you're seeing the scale go up right now Even though I'm telling you that you're looking good and you're doing fine And our metabolism is starting to ramp up and I like the direction we're going But if you're having a really hard time mentally with it, I can show you what you've done already And then I'll drop them a couple hundred calories for a few days in a row And all of a sudden they see this the scale come down and say see that like that's you're fine We're okay. We could do we have that control anytime we want now. And so I love to teach that with my friends Next question is from rogue and seven. I work seven days on seven days off 15 hour shifts, including a bus ride This doesn't leave enough time on work days to do full maps black Foundational workouts I've got about 30 minutes and if I go longer it cuts into my sleep Which is six and a half hours on a good day, but usually five hours sounds like a prison. Yeah, don't don't I wouldn't I wouldn't replace sleep for exercise. So so don't do that. Uh, so this is a very Non-common situation. This is a special situation. So in this case I'm going to make some recommendations that are specific to you I like this I like this question because even though this is really rare that somebody has Was it a swing shift? What was it? No, no, no, I think a swing is like a between a night Oh, uh, what should we call it right swing is the between the regular nine to five and the Night shift, right? That's what a swing shift is the seven on seven off Those I why I wanted to answer this because even though that's an extreme I know a lot of firefighters and I know a lot of caught like they some run three on three off Do things like that a lot of firefighters And so I think the message even though it could be it's going to be a little bit different The overall message that we would say to all those people is probably similar to the same Which Sal hit it right away? Never would I trade working out for sleep? I mean that that is not going to benefit.  I would say the week the the week that you work I would just be active maybe do a 15 minute light, you know work out on those days And then on the seven days off. That's when you hit it hard and then you get more sleep So make sure you get more sleep you eat really good And then I would go after it in the gym and I would go after it hard enough Where it would take me the following seven days to kind of recover and do mobility and stuff like that And so basically what it's going to look like for you is a week of Harder longer workouts with more sleep and a week of You know less sleep because you're working so much with short 15 20 minute You know low intensity type workouts, and I think the body will probably respond Okay, doing it. Oh, I actually think for sure. Honestly, I mean, okay If you're following like a maps protocol, which is typically a three to four day a week type of a routine I mean, I think he could actually work work out six days a week on the days that when he's day He has his days off and get close to the same benefits as if he was here's the thing time is made up Time doesn't exist people. It doesn't it doesn't work that way. So if you looked at it like a overarching thing of this, okay Instead of looking at it seven seven and seven look at it over the next 30 days Your total workouts and so anyone who's what has watched my insta story You've just seen me go day one day two day three. I'm on like day 16 or something like that Like it's not following a two day a week a three day a week a four day a week type of a regimen I'm just counting up all the times I get a chance to work out this month And when I look at this coming up next month I'll go back and I'll look at the total volume that I made that I did in that month And I'll slightly build upon it this month going forward and that might look like one week I might just be on it and get five days in a five days I might work out and then we might go travel to austin and I might only work out one day Which is what happened But it won't stop me from building upon the volume that I created from the previous month Which is the same way that I would coach and treat someone like this is I wouldn't look at it as a week to week Thing I would look at it as more like a monthly snapshot And look at your total amount of workouts that you accomplished in that month And I would slowly build upon that and I would I would take advantage of the days that I have off of work To actually get that to increase that volume the thing to consider is context matters So what happens? I think a lot of times in situations like this is people will say You know, isn't it less ideal to work out that way? Wouldn't it be more ideal if I could do sure three? But but in this situation it wouldn't be right right, you know, I mean context matters in this situation you're working 15 hour days seven days a week you're getting maybe Six and a half five to six and a half hours of sleep a day on those days, which is not much Most people need at least seven or closer to eight so In the context of this it wouldn't be more beneficial to try and follow the normal protocol It'd be more beneficial for you to follow a an abbreviated one or something That's a little more, you know specific to you like the one we just explained So context matters quite a bit You know, it's funny because people will they'll hear what's ideal And they'll think oh, I have to do this right right deal To maximize virus in yeah instead of like rearranging and restructuring what you know You can actually accomplish based off of like, you know the determining schedule and the way that everything's arranged and You know and you you can still treat like the the days in between if you do like a lighter or moderate workout You can still hit those same movements Just you know to keep that signal alive and you know just look at it a little bit differently And you know because your your body is already super stressed and and you know and you're in a position now where This is like sort of the recovery act almost active recovery And then we go right back into the to the meat of the workouts, you know the following week Yeah, who was I think was paul that told us we had an interview with paul while we were at paleo with a lot of Great you talked all about stress But he you know he said you know if you're a trainer you when you a coach What you really are is you you understand how to apply and you know manipulate stress Because that's what that's what exercise is i'm applying a stress on your body your body response reacts adapts You know build muscle burn body fat whatever But you have to you have to also understand that there's a lot of other stresses that you're playing with And so your your job as a trainer Is to know when to apply the right amount of stress and to look at the context Of the individual in this particular situation when you're working for seven days 15 hours a day and you're not getting much sleep There's already a lot of stress being thrown on your body So knowing that I'm only going to be I only have enough room for a little bit of stress a little bit of 15 minute 20 minute mobility sessions But then the seven days where you're off Where you can sleep nine hours if you want you can cook your meals You can relax a little bit more you can devote more time to working out you can recover faster Well, now I know I've got more stress I can play with and so rather than you know in your situation It's going to look like although the stress levels are high each time One week a lot most of your stress is coming from work and lack of sleep and the next week It's coming from your workouts and that's pretty much it just manage it and play with it based on your context And that'll be the best scenario or situation that you can do for yourself Otherwise, you know, of course a better scenario would be to be more be more consistent on a weekly basis But if you try to apply that philosophy to yourself with your current schedule You will crash and burn. Yeah promise. And I think it's important too that if you we're not giving you like A reason to just like oh cool You guys said I don't need to do anything on those seven days because I'm not getting whatever like Learn to look at each one of these days like you you know if it's a lot of movement at work You know if you've been sedentary and that's how I would decide if I'm going to do some trigger sessions Or do any more activity is based off of what that looks like I do this all the time where I'm playing like today.  I'm tired We got up. I didn't get very much sleep last night. We've already got like 12 15 thousand steps in And even though I was planned and scared to work out. I might not work out I'm gonna go. You know what? I'll work out tomorrow. I wrote tomorrow I've already applied a stress to my body today. I already lacked a little bit of sleep I already moved more than normal Even though my workout was planned if I was going to take off a day This is not a bad day to take off And now I'll just move that workout that I was planning on doing that day over to the next day when I know that I'm definitely not going to get up that early I'm going to have adequate sweet sleep and I'm probably not going to move very much So, you know, that's and the irony of it is you get better results Right. You actually build more muscle and burn more body fat and get a bit stronger Next question is from ororq q As mine pump continues to grow and become bigger more successful and more stressful Will the studio adopt the university of utah's solution? And install a cry closet Cry closet who's first Did you hear about that?  Yeah, pull it up.  I think a student did it almost like it was I don't think they intended it for to turn turn out the way it really turned out It's like a joke that's just like took off It was a student project they did and I don't know if they were testing a hypothesis or whatever But it it really started to gain some traction and now it's become this thing where They have kept it on the campus and I think they're already talking about certain places are starting to follow suit Is that I will see when Doug? Yeah, yeah Let's let's see what so the idea is that they built this stand alone call it right there There's the picture of it right there And I think you're allowed it's meant to provide like soundproof at least Look at this the space is meant to provide a place for students studying for finals to take a short 10 minute break So they have a special closet in the middle of a library. It looks like that they call the cry closet You know Really? What are we doing, man? I don't know. What are we doing? We're gonna listen.  We're fucked.  There's safe spaces. There's safe spaces and safe zones and schools and What are we preparing these kids for?  Could you imagine you go work for a company?  What is what does the rules say Doug? I can't read him from here. It says rules of the the cry closet There's rules don't talk about I think you only get 10 minutes in there A safe place for stressed out students otherwise known as the cry closet The space is meant to provide a place for students Studying for finals to take a 10 short 10 minute break Rules of the closet knock before entering. I know what I'd do in that closet if I was in there Me and my girlfriend the closet shaking we need to go in there you need to go in here and cry for a second I need to cry real hard What is it? What is it? Only one person in the closet.  Yeah turn lights and timer off before leaving. There's a timer Sounds like time out. Yeah, it does sound like time out. Yeah use. Uh, what is that? What does that word say? Hashtag cry closet you of you if posting on social media Oh, so they encourage you to share a share that you're doing that. Wow Why why would you? No, no, no, whatever. Let's get the let's look at the hashtag right now. This has got to be a joke No, no, no, let's look at the hashtag Doug.  There's difficult situations.  Does that make sense? So like you're not going to be in a situation where or a school's going to provide you with a closet to cry in or A safe space or whatever.  So I'm looking at all so there's a lot of not a lot There's the handful about 50 or so people already starting to use this and this is a You know person posting on their their their post or an instagram Hashtag cry closet university, whatever is a bold new form of self-care I'm going to form an an NGO and place these cry boxes where people can use them Nothing is harder than being a rich american in college This will complement the yoga and beauty. I plan to bring there bring there my non-profit helping hands international It's gotta be a joke.  I kind of hope so there's a there's a whole blog on it at this kid wrote Uh, the picture that Doug just showed of him and I don't know dude. I don't think it's a joke Dude, I think it's a joke, but I think it's a joke. It's a reflection on parenting.  Here's a good example of partially I blame The ability for anybody to have a voice nowadays.  This this is very real He just here's a tweet from a news reporter who actually interviewed him On channel five for his cry closet. He can't believe the response that he's getting It's ridiculous. Yeah. So did you guys hear about this? There was a girl that went to prom And she took prom pictures and posted a picture of herself wearing You know like like asian themed dress. Okay, very nice looking type of dress.   Yeah, cool.  I know you know saying Oh, it's silly. That's all Mexican food is really mexican. Yeah, it's it's it's Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. I feel like everybody's getting their feelings hurt all the time It's just that that's exactly what it is and that's what this is this is encouraging It's not that I have I have a problem with people like spending time like getting their feelings hurt and crying about it Like that's that's a normal like human emotion. It's just that we're encouraging like there's this like like physical space where we need to just Like like become I don't know like it like we're not dealing with it in a way where Like it's productive. Like it's it's just it seems like it's it's it's more regressive than progressive Well, why do we need to cry in a closet? Just toughen up a little bit toughen up. Why do we need to cry in a closet? I mean, why not cry?  Yeah, exactly I mean, I think thank you think of how much how much healthier that probably is to To be able to teach yourself to be able to cry in public when you have you're hiding from other people seeing you Right. Why right then that's what I think is a problem is we're still we're feeding into this You know isolated culture of You know that we only can connect and talk to each other via Hashtag you know go cry in our closet and hashtag it and talk about it there Because it's too weird to actually cry in public and talk to your friends about oh, you're so right like You know, I could talk about it on social media, but I can't talk to physical people.  Well, here's what I think regressive I don't look when we were younger and now even now, but by the way, we're actually having one installed next week Doug cries a lot. Yeah, uh, Adam slaw. Uh, uh, Taylor would be the first one to use it 100% Taylor Mr. Sensitive here's what I'm gonna say I know when I was younger and and we're like this now as men, but when I was younger with my buddies Something that men do this in particular we test each other Yes, and we fuck with each other and we play pranks on each other and we makes you stronger and I'll and you know what we're doing We're trying to see if you can handle some people call that bullying That's what it's all nowadays. They do. It's just crazy to me. That's what it's called nowadays But you know, that's my friends and I do that like forever ever since I was a little kid And what it you know it you just learn how to navigate through it and deal with it and And you you understand the intent behind what people say And that's where we're like we're completely just disregarding people's intent anymore And we're we're we're taking everything at face value of just like word said Dude, I have a cousin whose nickname is bones because he's skinny, right? That's what we that to this day We call him bones. That's his nickname You know how many kids today if they you know came to hang out with their friends and they're like Hey, what's up bones?  It can be hard. You got to learn how to toughen up a little bit, man You don't always have a cry closet to go to do you think this is something that was uh that we've evolved nature To have inside of us to like to test to see like yes going all the way back to like Okay, here's four of us in this room right now and you know We're gonna have some of us are gonna have to hunt and kill and I want to know that's the theory Isn't that the theory that's the theory that especially among men we test each other To see how we'll handle stressful situation and when we see that you can think about it this way When you meet a new when you meet a new guy, let's say you're with your group of friends and a new guy comes into the group And people start poking at him. The way he handles it will determine whether or not everybody except him That's it If he can handle a joke and he can give it back to you and everybody laughs and nobody gets offended We do that. I see a whole thing. You know what I'm saying? But if he's that guy can't help it Yeah, if he's that guy that comes in and you make a joke and he gets all offended and huffy and like Yeah, like everybody's like see you later and it's because you're testing. He's for sure going to get eaten. Yeah, exactly Yeah, exactly the saber-tooth tiger's gonna have a lunch.  They're not they're not they're they're demonstrating that they can't handle Those stressful stressful situations. This is all this is all parenting's fault. I mean parents do everything for their kids now They don't let them get hurt. They don't let them keep score because god forbid they lose Everybody get everybody did a great job negative always always pop Everybody did a great job. Listen.  I'm not gonna be like, yeah, listen.   Yeah, maybe maybe go to the closet and cry a little bit Then come back talk to dad.  That's okay, too. That you did a shitty job Just you got it. You got face reality.  Oh your team lost your team lost You know why you lost because you've done better. The other team was better more practice. Yeah, just just deal with that That's reality. This is real now. What are you gonna do with that? So you're I'm seeing like how I'm reading his instagram There's like all these students that are supporting him and jumping on board like what a brilliant idea anybody who Who's gone through school right now and finals knows that how hard and crazy and challenging it is And I and so what I think of like this is like, okay, and I'm okay I never I didn't finish college. So this is really tough for me to speak on maybe Justin can chime in more because he finished But I can't I can't imagine that You know finals is the toughest thing that you're going to face in real life In fact, I can't even think of finals being In the top five or ten things being that you're going to face in the real world Yeah, I mean would you say that Justin or absolutely? I mean it's and not to say that finals isn't hard No, it was hard. It was grueling, right and you know on top of that like me just I don't know. I had like a job on top of that and I also played football and I just had like a lot I had a lot going on. There's plenty of opportunity for mental breakdown, you know But I just looking back at it. There's all this extra time.  Like I gotta explain to my parents that I did I did poorly on this final, right?  Yeah, this is It's an exhibition It's like an art install installation that they put up, but it is for use But it's a reflection of kind of the the temperature At the universities where people get it can't handle alternate opinions. They can't handle. Well, it's great proving ground I mean everybody has to go through a process of like, um I don't know like adversity. Yeah, it's an adversity for me Like I look at my journey like even just leaving out of my comfort zone and going to chicago itself has been insanely hard like that was like It it's almost like a man's journey if it's a woman's journey like whatever it is Like it's all about becoming who you are like you have to understand what it takes To make it on your own and be an individual and you know, when we coddle this whole process You never really get to understand that you never get to find who you really are going to be Yeah, yeah And with that if you go to the app store you can download the mind pump media app and you can search for any topic Including the cry closet including the cry closet and it'll pull up all the episodes that we talk about that particular topic Infrared in there for them. 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