al health services we've looked at what that cost estimate would be that's 125 k 82 for a full time 41 for a part time while washington county mental health services now we we had discussion and we thought that we might get more bang for the buck regarding for a professional um uh mental health worker somebody who is trained and educated and uh and and counseling but what we should have done was bring in more people uh to the table before so so i want for this slide i would primarily my my my goal takeaway point i'm going to turn over to dan would just be to allow us more time to talk to other people in the space in this area to come up with an idea solution or recommendation of what this type of funding would go for if the council decided to give it and uh so i'll just give it to dan thank you chief teet um would it be okay to turn the lights on no thank you first of all um i want to thank the leaders in this room for for uh taking the proactive step of forming the montpelier police review committee which uh will uh which i am very confident is going to help move the city closer and closer to a progressive person-centered approach to uh public safety secondly this is my first uh city council meeting in a long time and kudos to you in the zoom world for all the time the effort you folks put in uh next ballot should should look about a an increase in your compensation and finally chief pete's been an absolute delight to work with during during the time on the police review committee he's really been a breath of fresh air so we are very fortunate to have chief pete as the leader of our public safety here in the city um i am dan toll i'm a montelier resident and the president of a mental health and law enforcement management advisory firm and of course a member of the montpelier police review committee uh i've come here to help clarify the intent of this particular recommendation which is all about mental health funding for crisis response um before i get into uh my issues i would like to address my background and credentials in mental health this mask doesn't want to seem to stay up what it's okay all right please don't yell at me first of all i'm a mental health advocate and with my team promote uh our our goal is to promote transformative social change in mental health and in the disability arena i am a psychiatric survivor um i have a major mood condition that i've dealt with for many decades as chief pete mentioned i work for the national alliance of mental illness also for the mental health agency pathways for mont as a support line operator and and i volunteer as well um on a number of different committees at the statewide level the a hf the a hs mont mental health integration council which is co-chaired by uh dr levine in addition i sit on several several committees at the department of mental health including the adult state program standing committee the substance abuse mental health services agency which is the federal arm of a hs for substance abuse mental health and um i'm on the block grant planning council and uh basically uh for all of those volunteer and work commitments i try to be the voice of people who have mental health conditions and uh i don't like the word disabled i'd rather say otherly abled um and with that i'd like to address this particular slide um the intent the intent of this particular recommendation was to add a third leg to the crisis response stool which comprised of law enforcement social work and peer support um the the goal was to was to add one full-time peer support worker and add a half of a social worker to the existing social work we have right now who splits her time between half her time with barry and half her time with us so we end up with one social worker one peer support worker all working together with chief uh pete's wonderful team of law enforcement professionals here in the city um this particular set of recommendations as chief pete indicate it's it's a work in progress and and uh we're we're having a dialogue around the fact that um really we need uh we're our recommendation is that we take or i should say my recommendation i need to own this that we take a step back as chief said and um for washington county mental health the police department and the peer support leadership um leadership in in the state in particular locally it's another way for those of you who are familiar um and look at the optimal way to to allocate this 1.5 uh fte personnel between social work and peer peer support crisis worker uh peer support crisis workers um and i would add just as a as an aside as we discussed in the committee um when it comes to the funding issue there is funding available um from both uh federally from samsa as well as from dmh for peer support crisis workers um and uh and other uh progressive uh law enforcement social working initiatives and uh i would uh i would say that that is an opportunity that we can we can try to take advantage of in terms of funding to uh off to avoid drawing more down from the the city's budget thank you continue on it again uh just again for that record i am a huge also a huge proponent of peer peer advocacy is is a lot of people will refer to as a secret sauce and a response model and i think what this does is highlights that there is a there's a desperate need to figure out what these response models might look like and how to reach uh and how to find the resources to fund them all and we're not realistically expecting that the council should look and try to take it upon itself to do that we're committed to finding other ways and resources to make this happen to the best of our ability and not burden the city with doing it there's funding and opportunity out there we're going to find that so with the street outreach capacity um anyone uh we believe that uh we can any training that we would need regarding street outreach would we can find that in-house we can reach out with again our community partners and get that training in-house so so folks would know what they're um what they're seeing when they're looking at uh certain issues and incidences and calls for service um for the record that the of the prc did recommend i believe an additional funding of 1.5 persons regarding street outreach uh good sam previously had one full-time e i believe funding and since then uh that the council did agree i think to fund another half so i think that equates to one full time or one one fte so uh this is what they're looking at two people working 24 hours each 40 hours for outreach and additional resources so at this point uh to to looking at what the prc's recommendations are you've already done one you would only need to do a point five at this point and that we the numbers come up to about forty seven five and again this is something that we're we're budget neutral and this is not a mpd decision this is uh on the council just information for you all's uh knowledge and making decisions so human trafficking regarding the the training for human trafficking um again we're going to talk about those other ordinances for a later date this is just uh talking about the relevance about upcoming budget discussions so we've long utilized a trauma-informed approach regarding our interactions with our community members as well as our investigations and we're going to continue to prioritize that and looking to protect victims and prevent re-victimization and that go to a to look at the cause and those who are actually doing human trafficking and devote our resources there um human trafficking is taking place in vermont it is significant it is here in montpelier um i will tell you that while historical data shows that we've had a minimal number of investigations and i had to do some thinking about that and knowing now the the level of the prevalence that's going on out there i honestly think that the reason we're not having more human trafficking investigations is because our department doesn't know what to look for in certain cases so um we've reached out to uh to some folks and we're looking at trying to find like so to give you an example um some of the information that we got was that approximately 61 percent of trafficking cases in connecticut have at one point in time trafficked here in vermont uh so so there is a prevalence there so we've reached out and we've looked and found uh somebody who can't come in and give us this training with our current training budget the only thing we have to do is pay for is their lodging and them coming here and that's only going to roughly be twenty or two thousand dollars and they're also going to come in here and talk to us about the dark web and how some of this stuff is done online not it's gone out of the days of craigslist there are more covert ways of how these things are happening and there are there are a multitude of ways of human trafficking some people if you say human trafficking they're thinking of what happened in ruttland there are several people who are handcuffed in a locked room and they're going to move all the way to something human trafficking can be something as is uh is i would say a daily occurrence of somebody who may unfortunately be using their own kid or family members and trafficking them out for these types of gains so this is something again we would anticipate having a one one-time cost within our current training budget and then bringing these trainings here to Montpelier and then continue to train ourselves and work ourselves to be better at finding and seeing these types of things data transparency so uh we strongly agree with this when data data data um but there are some limitations to this and this comes in form of time and it also in in absence of time it's going to come in from and with technology and with money um so administrative staffing so because of the potential costs that are involved um there may be like an rfp process and and and looking at four systems and programs that might help us better to put information out there so like say for example if we could find a system that would say here's the data as we put it in when we're working on the street in our calls for service and that the public can go online they can file reports online they can look at crime mapping to see what we we're called for in what area get their information there and even do their own data mining from the system so if they want to pull stats and see what the arrest records were how many traffic stops that we've had they can do that there are systems out there that can in case management systems records management systems and computer a dispatcher cad systems there are products out there that can do that so if there's a way that we could potentially fold this into the televates study that that talks about communications and there is a potential here but that's a very complicated dialogue with so many moving partners parts and partners that are involved so i'm asking for a little bit more time to conduct due diligence before i can bring these types of particular options i just don't want to come to you and say oh you want data give me three people that's not fair that's not realistic that's stupid so so we want to find out what our due diligence efforts are what this might look like and how it would impact any request that we have for project funding so like at a first glance just to give you an idea initial cost could be somewhere like a one-time purchase for these systems of like 40 or 400 000 but the good news is you can we can pull these payments out at very low interest rates to just say in four years we're just going to pay it off in the years after we only have like five grand to pay to maintain this system so body-worn cameras i'm going to turn it over here to alex here pretty soon but just of course we also recommend body-worn cameras we agree with that assessment we would recommend i would recommend a company called visual labs visual labs is a as a smartphone based system there's no proprietary costs involved so you don't have to go like if you go to axon or watch guard or other agencies you might have to have to buy the camera the camera is only good for x-mart time then you got to buy it again you got to get docking stations for uploads you got to do all kinds of different things with visual labs i can get these phones for 99 cents and then i can get the app installed on here and i can do everything that a body-worn camera does but i also have the flexibility of where technology is moving like say for example they're getting out there technology is moving away from having in-car computers to just a docking station for your phone you slide your phone and then you type and you work off that so there are so and there's so many other apps that we have or so many other programs that we're working with they're trying to upgrade to that would also work with um with smart smartphones so pros are with uh with visual labs is that the costs are extraordinarily lower than competitors requires minimal hardware and purchasing of recur recurring proprietary purchases there's already a statewide body-worn camera policy that exists so it's not something that we would have to develop and then and then go through the entire due diligence process it's already there and we we would have to follow that based on certification and based on like the state law so um again uh these types of phones will allow us for backup so if we're in an area where our radios don't work we can pop on a push to talk app and work from there um and again it's more adaptable to emergency technology the cons are that it would require a perpetuity additional funding in the budget which would be around 35 000 each year half of it would go towards the service cost of having the the data plan for the phones and the other half would be for the subscription service so alex are you still there sir he's there but he's muted oh sorry about that my name is Alexander and I work for visual labs and if if somebody would help me I know that city council chambers have the slides up I have them on my other monitor here but then I can sort of follow along and she can move those forward so yeah they're perfect and I will go so general body-worn camera goals I'm sorry it's on the other screen I'm not trying to disrespect anyone but I can actually put it and I think Chief you already mentioned some of these things one of the keys and it really it it clearly helps everyone not only the law enforcement personnel the citizens transparency and accountability but the body cameras tell the truth got the video and audio of what happened in a situation it improves that trust and cooperation between law enforcement and the citizens it's the evidence minimizing false complaints allegations and I think one of the keys here that the people don't necessarily focus on this production of liability um it it is almost equivalent to an insurance policy where yes as Chief would say it might cost you know roughly $35,000 a year that could easily in one instant save a million dollars of liability and I'll give you one example federal heights Colorado it's in the Metro Denver area they had a different vendor for body cameras they switched to ours and because of some of the location analytics they were able to prove that their officer did not violate their pursuit policy because they're in Metro Denver in urban area they have a no pursuit policy over 50 miles an hour unless it's like threatening and an officer got into a stolen vehicle pursued speeds very quickly at 50 and the officer pulled off and ceased the pursuit and then tragically that stolen vehicle about a mile ahead it struck and killed a pedestrian and the pedestrian's family's lawyer came in to sue the city claiming that the officer had caused the death of that individual and the chief said absolutely not we can prove it with our analytics showed the speeds that were taken by that officer and on speeds of 50 they could see him turning back into the station through all the geographic mapping that we have this just inherently the system memories on smartphones so we're getting GPS out of that I'm happy to learn more details in a doubt or that but again more than just recording a conversation but a lot deeper than that and then obviously the officer safety training you know that goes part of that so if you slip one more slide out now perfect equipment consolidation as chiefly mentioned we're using a smartphone and we we like to say BWC does not mean body-worn camera but instead means body-worn computer because we're taking a very powerful electronic device and we're placing everything you see on the left side of the screen body camera and docking station and a digital camera and an audio recorder personnel locator all that can be combined into a single device a smartphone and what you see here these geofences that I was sort of mentioning all the location analytics to go with that and the live streaming capability which would potentially save not only just an officer's but citizen lives where if someone with the right permission can turn on a body-worn camera remotely and get a live video and audio feed in theory chief Pete sitting here in the council chambers or sitting there in the council chambers if he heard one of his officers was involved in it in a shooting he could turn on that camera and watch it remotely from where he was assuming that he would have those permissions so using a smart device and software I should probably step back just momentarily and say visual ads we're a software company not a hardware company all our body camera company competitors are hardware companies they all make proprietary hardware we have developed an application an app that goes on the smartphone in conjunction with the backend evidence management website and so we're purely software based and therefore you know make things much more customizable for agencies we've been doing this for coming up on eight years now in january we've got hundreds of agencies all around the country so this is this is a very well proven system anyway next slide camera positioning options this is often a question we get well we've got our citizens there you know videoing us holding the smartphone in their hand that's not going to work for us as police officers and of course not the camera is mounted just like any other system any other body camera system either in the chest potentially even as well as the belt because with a wide end of lens on many smartphones and then the officer controls when that camera can start and stop just like any other system and then policies would dictate when they should turn it on when they should turn it off you know when that is allowed or just allow things like that next next slide the redaction which is built into our system we have that integrated into the system where if you have to release videos to the public both the audio can be redacted or distorted and faces can be blurred out as you see here there was unfortunately a very tragic incident took place just outside of Atlanta where one of our customers may issue a piece of the body-worn camera footage and blocked out some of the innocent people in that footage and they use that footage to track down a very violent suspect but anyway that's all included and built into our system next one is the real-time officer safety feature and that's where we get this positional awareness again with a GPS that's coming from smartphones which is both from the satellites and cellular triangulation that the chief or someone on you know at the command staff in dispatch could see exactly where all the officers are at any point in time and so they would know how to send help or where to send help exactly if there were any kind of critical situations the remote activation capability I already mentioned one of our customers is the state of Georgia their department of natural resources and during the protests in Atlanta a summer ago they they pulled most of their game ones off the parks and the lakes sent them to downtown Atlanta on their ATVs and they were patrolling kept things very well under control in downtown Atlanta during the protests but they were live streaming from several dozen of our smart phone body camera systems to a major master control center with the governor and the FBI and other law enforcement agencies so it can help control situations by knowing what's going on is that real-time situational awareness remote activation and again with this live stream availability so knowing where people are and what's happening on the ground leveraging the connectivity of the smart phone simultaneous playback this is just something you know we'd like to see it's just interesting to show the evolution of technology it's not necessarily just one picture from one camera because you often have multiple officers on the scene and unless you show four different viewpoints from four different officers those videos can actually be all played simultaneously and if you look at the next slide there it actually shows those videos so we've got four officers ABC and me at the scene and you can actually see this is a still from each of the four officers body cameras because no matter what system you have you know one individual camera might not capture the totality of you know the situation that was you know being presented in itself and that's really I've got the you know next slide it's great for questions and answers anyone there I will say that the chief being his officers tested the system it was about a year ago now went through very extensive testing with our system you know we had to sample phones out there and then they put it through its faces and you know we're very happy that he ultimately compared our solutions to others and concluded that he was recommending the ultimate purchase of the visual ads to the smart from the body camera solution so that's all I have but again happy to answer any questions that anyone has. All right Alex thank you very much sir I'm sorry are there any questions related to the body one camera system? No I would just like to say I really appreciate getting these slides ahead because I've been very dubious about body cameras and and slides really showed me how much these improved my issues with them so thank you. The technology has improved you know far far beyond a typical kind of GoPro type camera and we're leveraging that technology we're based in Silicon Valley you know kind of the heart of the software technology and got a lot of very smart software engineers that you know they live for innovation and technology and we just keep advancing the system more and more you know as the technology improves and allows for furthering software and to to provide a better system for law enforcement agencies. Thanks Alex I really appreciate your time. Thanks Alex and then I apologize I just I know time it's late so we only have two slides here the closing the slides are this just and again I apologize for the size of it but this just talks about this just breaks it down visually what the financial impact that we're anticipating would be related in relation to the PRC recommendations and again I do want to emphasize that this one right here the 15 k one-time training costs probably eliminate that everything else I think we can find ways to squeeze that within within the budget but I'm also going to look for grand opportunities to try to fund a lot of these things. And sir do we know if there are any other police departments in Vermont that are using the visual labs system? No sir for the most part it I believe and and Nord you may be able to help me out on this one but it looks like watch guard and axon. Yeah I have a case that I'm working on or that I started out working on with the Capitol Police and they had they have the axon system. Yes they just purchased it. Yes sir. Chief do you mind like just maybe talking about the public records aspect of this a bit like remember Chief Faco saying like the storage component of it would be the most costly and not just like storing it sort of the staff time associated with like responding to massive requests so like how long would you have to hold on to the data you know what sort of stuff could you expect in that regard. So looking at the so so so technology has changed since then and so looking at that and I apologize this was something that was on my list to talk to you about that currently would the 35 would include it would more than cover so the statewide policy regarding how long we have to hold certain types of footage for that would be rolled into that entire 35. I think we'd be very very good with that rather than having to buy servers or do anything else like that cloud-based technology all of the sort with the with the automatic or with the built-in redaction features would save on administrative time though it would be logical to expect we're going to see additional public records request. I do have some numbers if the council was interested I could send that out at a later time but what I would say is I don't want to necessarily put the cart before the horse and say the sky is going to fall we're going to need three people to deal with it if we do are fortunate enough to get body worn cameras I think that a wait-and-see approach at this point in time would be more prudent than rather than saying if we're going to get body worn cameras we need to get additional staff to help us with public records request I think we would need to look at the data behind that and see where that's that's beneficial but but and again in the past the redaction part of it would take an extraordinary amount of time this technology it's it's lengthy but it's not nowhere near as time-consuming no vhs tapes anymore for this stuff I still got some at home sir thank you sir and madam mayor and then the last slide I have is just these were are the other ops are the other topics for discussion related to the PRC report that can be talked about at a time of the council's decision of cheers great all right well thank you any other questions about not just the body worn cameras but about any of this from council and then we'll go to public comment yeah go ahead learn thanks just one clarifying question are there steps that you see chief like I understand just on the transparency point of you know if we want to significantly ramp up public access to data that there is the possibility of a different database and you know an expensive path are there assuming that could take a while are there like interim things you're thinking about to improve or is I mean hopefully it's not like an either or and we just wait and you know it looked like a potentially long trajectory for a big data upgrade so just curious if you're thinking about that so some of the interim options would be purchasing some software systems or some platforms that can do some of these things individually so it would be like a purchase of five grand here six here or three here to do that and then there would also be an administrative lift that would accompany those types of purchases so it so yeah yes ma'am there I am looking at those options but I'm trying to work some more due diligence related to it but the interim process would be purchasing other types of systems and then additional staffing Donna go ahead yeah yeah I was gonna see if there's any council questions but I'm happy to go to write to public comment now if that's she's a committee member yeah yeah um let's let's do that well let's go to that now so um we'll go to Alyssa and then I I know you've got a comment there so yeah go ahead Alyssa there there we go thank you for un-meeting me hi Alyssa Sharon chair of the police review committee before maybe former chair I don't know if we're currently active or not but we still feel somewhat active um thank you so much chief P and MPD for your openness to so many of the police review committee ideas and so appreciate how you were utilizing community partners for some of the training ideas and the train the trainer models you're putting forward to as well as the virtual training options I think that's a really efficient way of doing it in a cost-effective way of doing it and thank you Dan for being in the room today and for clarifying the mental health recognition I think that was really a helpful perspective to bring I I mostly had a process question for you Mayor Watson and the committee which is just the council which is how we should engage in this um specifically I you know I think the police review committee might be interested in weighing in on some of the questions posed by chief P like for example questions about the community engagement protocol for after-use of course incidents he put forward a question to the council like how should we engage with you on this I think we might have some suggestions based on our um you know extensive conversation that's true also on you know the demilitarization 1033 program of the process literally the process of how this might be accessed in the engagement between MPD and the council so I'm wondering is this the right time to do it now or will you be taking this up again in the future and um I'm just and also I just want to flag that in the future um it would be great if um committee members were were invited or flagged that that something was on the agenda we found out about 45 minutes I found out about 45 minutes before the meeting tonight so scramble to invite people but as you can imagine we're not really prepared to thoroughly engage at this point we would love to in the future yeah that's a great question um thank you for that um so a couple thoughts one uh is I think getting into the details of the answers to those questions is probably not what we're going to be doing tonight I think we're mostly just taking the temperature of the council to see if like generally speaking is this are the should we be moving forward with those conversations um in detail and I'm sort of guessing that you know for some of the items that have budget implications like we're going to take those up sort of individually for things about the use of force um uh protocols like that will be someone perhaps perhaps the the chief perhaps um someone else will be coming back to us with some with a protocol that we would then potentially approve um and so those conversations um I think we're probably not the right fit for a council is my guess at least not right now anyway um but then that does leave the question of like when and how does that continue and I'm curious for your for thought suggestions or input or what you all are willing to do like in part you know your mission to create produce this report it's sort of done right but um but there may maybe some useful follow-up um as we get into those details so I feel like I've only partially answered your question um about this I think what I'm taking away from one thing you said is that there will be other opportunities to engage yeah I know whether or not we are an active committee committee members really care about these topics and we've done a lot of work together you know with GP and MPD and might have some helpful for stigma students along the way and so um you know we support as the chief said like the recommended what he put forward we generally support there might just be as we get more into the leads um suggestions around process if you were going to get controlled equipment you know that from the 1033 program that kind of thing and we could do that in writing or we could do that actively or we could do that you know outside of I think there's a lot of options but one takeaway is we're not doing it right now that's fair and I that's exciting okay and I also okay I I guess I would also be be interested in the opinions of the committee like if you if you want like if you think people want to continue to meet to collectively have that conversation you know I certainly don't want to um disenfranchise that group from continuing if you want if you want to keep um you know collectively weighing in but um in part I want to leave that to you and to to the group um otherwise you know uh individual participation makes sense to me um there was another part of your question though which was about um uh how people are notified and I think that is that is worth noting absolutely and I was just going to follow up on that Alyssa um we'll commit that committee members are notified anytime any of this is on the agenda and well in advance um we had actually I don't know why that didn't happen this time it should have so we'll make sure that that's taken care of and I think in terms of your question in general I don't want to answer for the chief but you know maybe we should just have a conversation the three of us or two of us about does it make sense to have one more meeting with a debrief or something like that um now that we're having these conversations but I don't want to commit anybody's time without us sort of thinking it through so that sounds great why don't I pull the committee members you know as we get into the details to see if folks want to meet and if not then maybe we figure out individuals to connect with uncertainties choose like Dan you're going to want to be engaged based on the mental health issue moving forward as an individual or as a committee member either way you know that's clear so if we can't meet as a body I'm sure we can we can figure out who might be point on which which issue so I'll pull folks and then move back with chief p and cc um you can remember thanks so much great thank you um yes Richard did you have something you also we wanted to add are we done with this are we done with this agenda item not uh quite a little the council's still got a just one last comment at the end okay yeah okay I get the 10 o'clock hours only going to take about three minutes of the 10 o'clock hour my name's Richard cheer district two loomis street and it's it's real difficult I'd like to talk about the what you're calling militarization um but I'd like to frame it differently and unfortunately we're not going to talk about the civilian police review board which I consider to be wild overreach and I just read the 1033 one as a solution looking for a problem simply because we haven't had we haven't used that program since chief Hoyt and we used it for one rifle you know and it's been city policy amongst Brian amongst Tony not to use that program for years except for perhaps for clerical items and I don't even think for that we've really reached into it but we do use that program when you talk about procurement it's different than use when we call in the state police they are sometimes using equipment that's procured from that program and my fear is that when we talk about 1033 it's a wedge to interject on the state police and on how they see their professionalism and I come back to the shooting that happened the police shooting over at the high school we had a piece of equipment that was coming into that scene that would have allowed the negotiator to get closer and closer and would have possibly resolve that without the tragedy that was a piece of military equipment and my fear is that in addressing 1033 that way we're in a sense saying that Montpelier police can do it all themselves and or that we're going to call in an emergency and say okay what kind of equipment are you bringing where did you get that equipment it's a much more nuanced situation than it's presented in that particular recommendation so that caught my eye as well as the others and I'll be back when we do discuss other elements of this report that I felt fairly strongly I would like to address the police review commission and say it was great report I mean it was very thorough and I felt like it was really well thought I might disagree but boy you guys really provided your thought documented quite well and I congratulate you for doing that and I thank you for doing that it took three minutes thank you okay anybody else either in person or online I understand these are preliminary but the ones that are budgetary are coming up sooner than later as a technology literate person I have concerns about the smartphone just the smartphone application versus a purpose built camera the I've watched the other officers other departments use the purpose built cameras the controls for activating them and deactivating them are very blind I mean could be done without looking I'm concerned that the attention of an officer going to his phone to figure out how to turn it on and start recording it's not something that officers typically going to be willing to give up in a in a hostel or a potentially dangerous situation so I just raise a red flag cheapest is not necessarily best in in this situation so I will speak more about it later but I think I'd like to see a comparison broken out separately of the hardware the licensing and then the storage because we do also have options we've got hardened data centers both at velco and at VTEL that could potentially be certified for forensic grade data storage within the state rather than the exorbitant rates that some of these vendors are charging for cloud storage I have a lot more to say about it but not tonight thank you okay anybody else either in person or digitally okay and Dan you wanted to add something yes I just wanted to finish by acknowledging individually the members of the committee council councilperson McCulloch councilperson hurl Jen Dugan avid germain but in particular two of the workhorses Mike Sherman who I think is on the line now who are all the work he did early on in the process and then to Justin Dreschler who was the heaviest lifter I think he's I would call him an Olympic Olympic lifter for all the work he did at the end to pull the report together and lastly and not leastly the absolute wonderful leadership of of Alyssa Sherman it was a delight to work with with her and the whole team and I'm glad we're able to put pull together the report and recommendations that we did thank you so thoughts questions from council I guess the the question that we really need to answer is are we ready to take some next steps in each of these particular items are there any red flags are there what are your thoughts on moving forward well a general statement I mean I really support us moving forward with the staff recommendations as presented in our agenda makes sense that we definitely can explore more details of age but I would recommend that we follow those recommendations kind of there's nothing more to say just a thumbs up I'm sure like Donna said we'll be fleshing it out but I think generally we're going in the right direction here yeah yeah anything else folks want to say yeah go ahead Jay well I just think it might be worthwhile um to do a bit of an inventory of the recommendations and understand where the decisions need to be made I feel like some of them can just be can happen through the budgeting process and you know and as as we work through that but then there's others that might require more feedback from the committee like Alyssa mentioned etc so agreed that we're certainly moving in the right direction but having kind of a knowing where we could just sort of give a Connor's thumbs up and be good and other things where we need to to dig a little bit deeper and if there's a specific decision that the council might need to make about something that's beyond just approving a certain budget line item I think would would be really helpful in terms of moving forward yeah that makes sense to me and I I agree I think gosh with the incredible diligence of the police review committee as well as you know the the work that you and the department have done chief to to you know see how these things can align I think where we are moving in the right direction and it's this is very encouraging I think there's some great steps forward that we can take here and continue to be a leader in the state on all of these these issues so yeah looking forward to getting into details and making it happen so yes I just want to thank the department already on the community engagement piece I I think we've seen some huge steps forward it's great to see coffee with a cop up then regularly you know I think Corporal Phil Brick's doing a great job in some of his new duties you know just having like his presence at the homelessness task force last meeting it says a lot I think it says that MPD is there to listen to the front people on the ground and like you know I don't think that goes unnoticed I apologize but I do want to want to take if I could just take a quick second we got a an email from the the deputy assistant director for the U.S. Marshals earlier this week specifically noting what Diane has been doing and his his work with the one person who had to she helped him get his hearing aid and that was posted on Facebook he sent an email saying that that's community that's 21st century policing and that our department should continue to move forward doing that so I'm extraordinarily proud of her and of the unit so thank you all very much for that yeah that was a great story people haven't seen that so all right Lauren I'm just glad to hear obviously have already voted on all of these and I'm glad to see that we're moving forward and appreciate Chief you and the the staff team kind of fleshing out a lot of the ideas and how it's going to work and that's great to see like totally agree I think like moving forward with all of it and there should be more community conversation of you know body cameras and all of that so whether some of that might be you know sessions I know you've been doing a lot of community engagement sessions on different topics and stuff so maybe some could be done that way and some at council meetings so just like thinking through how to you know educate and engage and get feedback from folks as we move forward but glad to see we are moving forward with all these and then I guess just process wise so there's the kind of sets that is agreed upon and then some of the other recommendations just like hoping that there's a plan to just take those up and have those discussions as well but I think this process of starting with the ones that everyone agrees on and making sure that the budget reflects those pieces makes a lot of sense but just making sure we're not leaving behind the other pieces all together all right so I'm wondering if we need a motion on moving forward I'm not sure that we do you don't think so okay I think I think we're pretty clear that we're all kind of in alignment which is great awesome all right well thank you so much again all right well I think we're ready to move on to our otherwise last agenda item it's who be fair it's after 10 do you want to take it up do you want to take what's that we could how do you how would you feel about that it actually might be good if Lauren and I are the remaining members after Dan has left it might be good to talk about appointing a third member of this interest and maybe we could even maybe huddle a little bit before the next meeting then okay that's fine um anybody's interested is anybody interested in great yeah so is that what it's called the lobby income yep I believe we could call it legislative advocacy that's a better that does seem better less sleazy than lobbies going once going I'm a maybe okay okay he's a power player at the state so so you all may get invited to the meetings there we go there we go so we'll take that up next time then okay great all right on to our council reports Donna well I I do want to go back a little bit to the police review I appreciate some memo I guess it's actually pretty long we got from staff that was a lot of time and to me that's what it laid out what I I could perceive what we needed to do next so I really appreciate that it was very helpful and I appreciate that you all listen and had Doug Hoyt here and Paco when I was gone to talk about public safety authority great you haven't demolished us when I was good and it's great to be back to Vermont there's a lot of strange behavior about mask elsewhere in the world it's a it's very strange to be in a place that won't wear mask it's a really very appreciative that we have a a politeness of trying to protect ourselves and one another as well as ourselves so anyway thank you all for being here just encourage folks I got my booster shot a couple days ago I'm still feeling like death as a result of it but but if you go up to the mall there it's so easy it's quicker than getting like a cheeseburger and they're really efficient they're like each one of them doing like 40 jabs a day so really like if you want to get it it's it's so quick and easy just pop up to the mall there just a PSA on that well I got mine two days ago and I feel fine so don't like don't let Connor scare you off it's I'm feeling I feel my arm I'm totally fine that's it for me all right Jennifer I'm solid okay all right I'll stick with the vaccine the theme and say thumbs up and congratulations to the school district for for getting hundreds of kids vaccinated this week it's I heard tonight that it wasn't a fun experience for everybody but what I heard was that it was kind of a party atmosphere in the schools and I think it's great I think kids are really recognizing the things they're doing like getting their their weekly COVID tests and getting their vaccinations are doing their part to work for the health and safety of the community yes I would echo gratitude one of my children was one of the less happy about his vaccinated um but the only thing I wanted to to just note tonight so I feel like ever since COVID struck I've been like the federal government's going to come through with money and just noting the passage of the infrastructure bill and hopefully the Build Back Better Reconciliation Package in a couple weeks but knowing now in hand the infrastructure and just talk to Bill about this but it might be good once they've had a little time to digest to get our someone from our federal delegation staff in to talk with us about the opportunities and how this is going to impact cities because you know I know for example just in my professional world like there's money going to state revolving fund for city water projects and stuff so just us all understanding especially as we go into budget season and bonding discussions and stuff of if that is going to change anyway we might think about prioritization or timeline for anything because there's going to be some new opportunities which is exciting so that's it for me thanks great so I have two things one is first thank you all for doing the budget survey all all seven of us have completed it so that's great so I can get you information about that and second thing is November 18th Thursday next it's not tomorrow it's a week from tomorrow as the Challenger Memorial rededication ceremony and it's happening at four o'clock at the high school and yeah I mean I think it'll be a good opportunity to remember and just celebrate the lives of the astronauts who died but anyway I just want to make sure that was on folks' radar that's it for me probably worth mentioning that last night we had the board of sole authority meeting to discuss the reapportionment proposal from the reapportionment committee advising the legislature and of course the proposal is to divide our current two member house district into two districts and by a thin majority the board voted to advise against that that's out there and if anybody's listening wanted to know but I just personally like to thank so many of you all were there and it was it was it was great I mean it was it was just great to have so much participation from council especially you know considering all our elected officials and we're talking about how we choose our elected officials so it's uh it was very appropriate thank you keeping on the vaccine theme I got mine on Friday and felt fine the whole time and to Donna's point I've been traveling a lot to a nearby state where I won't call out but there's a drastic difference in mask wearing just between here and there extraordinarily noticeable so just you don't have to go abroad to see differences speaking of vaccines we will need to have a policy we already have a policy that I've adopted administratively for staff but for OSHA and it may be delayed now because of some court case but we will have to adopt a policy with regard to employee safety and that you know it could be everything from mandatory vaccines to mask wearing all these other things so we're putting something together it should be on your agenda probably one of the next couple meetings just so that you're thinking about that and we are in fact trying to understand the the bill and all that's in it we I think vlct will be also providing us with a lot of resources on that I'm a little concerned about I mean it's great that it's happening so yay timing may be weird as we you know we're really getting gearing up to do our budget and make these kind of decisions and you know we have to make decisions on bond votes by January and you know will rules even be written and things by by then so but be that as it may also I'm guessing there will be more years to take advantage of it so we're on it and I you know I think our plan right now is just to go forward with our budget and if there's stuff that we have in our budget that can be eligible for this great and we'll just have backfill projects to fill the budget up because we've got as you've seen we have a long long list and probably not money to do them all this year so okay that's all I have okay great um I think that is it so without any reminder that tomorrow is the Veterans Day holiday so City Hall will be closed all right so thank you uh and so without objection we will like this meeting adjourned 10 23 thanks everybody


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Yeah, you just need to like treat him like they're your mom dad brother or cousin, you know For those of you watching that just tuning in this guy does not have red X or Nothing he has no dialer. He looked him up by hand like on Google or something and he's dialing them by hand. So It's real today is real like we're going back in time here All right, let's get another one Hey miss riggan Hey, this is Chris narrow. I work with the Robinson realty group down at Keller Williams bozeman. How you doing? I'm doing excellent. Just enjoying this kind of cool down. We've been having from this hot weather How about you? I didn't want to take up too much your time today a house just listed over on Boilin Road And I was calling today. I didn't know if there's anything in the world I could do for you Well, I was gonna ask to there's an agent in the area You would work with if you were to be doing something. Oh, wow, that's great. Yeah, congratulations Well, you know in the future you might want to you know buy or sell and do something with real estate I'd love the opportunity to work with you. It'd be okay if we stayed in touch Great. What's your best email? Great sounds good. I got that corrected here and I'll be in touch If you ever need anything just reach out.  Do you have something under contract or anything sold? You know, I'm working on a listing actually right now. I probably have an appointment this uh, this coming month or sorry this coming week Beginning of this month. I'm hoping for And I have a few buyers in the pipeline that I'm getting You know down to the business of getting signed and getting things going so yeah, I'm very close very very close Yeah, okay, so, um Julian here he mentioned something that I've been saying the whole time Like even the lady that gave you their email address.  Like I feel like You're pretty smooth, but not completely smooth. You know I'm saying yeah, yeah It's a couple little like tone little tonality. There's a little bit of a You know not completely Where it needs to be kind of thing, you know I'm saying Yeah Experience now like Julian said, you know great call only thing it would have done is Samantha relationship a little more when she started talking about You know, this was her first home could have said, you know, how long you've been living there where'd you move? Oh, yeah, all that kind of stuff, you know all that kind of like personable You know gift-a-gab type stuff, you know, that's what people Who are really good on the phone who are really good at just talking who really good sells people that kind Of stuff just kind of comes to them and they just it I think it's because sells people are just really interested in other people Right, right people are saying things to them. They're really listening and Then they're turning around and they're curious about, you know, oh really where'd you move for? They really want to know where she moved from Yeah, whereas I feel like you are doing a really good job But you're more just trying to get through the script, which is fine, you know That too, you know, I'm saying like I do that, too I'm not the most personable. I'm not like the gift-a-gab type person either. So I Kind of feel your pain there, but I'm just kind of like pointing out anything negative I can tell you so that you know, hopefully that can make you better Yeah, appreciate you coming on and doing this I know a lot of people enjoyed it and got a lot out of it any last thoughts Not much man. I'm just I'm glad we figured out our technical difficulties and got to do this and Just a few calls we got one email, but that's a big win for me, man I really appreciate all the coaching and the content you put out and everything. So thank you man. I appreciate it I think what we should do is like put it down in your books for like two months from now Or maybe even three months from now put it down on your books to hit me up to do this again by then I'll have the YouTube thing figured out and We can do like a real session without all these technical difficulties and by then you'll actually have a dialer You'll have some better data You know through red ax and stuff and all that so I think we'll be in better shape there for everybody watching a couple things If you hadn't signed up for zero to diamond.com free coaching go there subscribe to my YouTube find me on Instagram I'm answering all the DMs. That's the best place you can find me for questions and I've got a couple things I'm gonna be in Birmingham in October still working on that. I'm locked in for DC in November Dallas Dallas in September September 19th through the 21st.  I want to see you other than that man You know, I kind of went through a drought putting like we're putting things under contract like past couple weeks That really got much this week. I landed to So it's kind of coming back, but I've really been putting a lot of work in Past couple weeks where it's kind of had I kind of had a drought. I've been really pushing So now I have so much going on like August is gonna be crazy as far as like stuff going under contract And so September should be a huge August is gonna be a pretty huge closing month. September is gonna be really big So anyway, just gotta keep putting that working. I'm saying you're doing all the right things That's for sure. So just keep doing what you're doing. Reach out. Let me know what I can help what I can do to help you and Yeah, talk to you soon, brother