y, the more objective the critique was. Nope. The purpose is so that people follow along when they're watching, whether or not they've seen the film, whether or not they remember the film. And I really like it when people do that. I like to know we're moving to this scene and then this scene happens and then we're here now because when I watch a movie, I can't remember every scene in chronological order and every event that takes place. Well, him and Eric have basically said that you don't exist, Draggs, because they're like, I'm watching this video. I've seen the movie more than what are you doing? It's like, I saw it too. But I want to be reminded of everything that happened so that I don't forget about something. And by the way, I'm not saying that every single portion of my plot summary was absolutely intrinsic to the video. There's probably some things I could have cut and the video would have survived. I'm simply suggesting the reasoning for why it's there. I'm very aware of why you might find it clunky and unnecessary, but you are not everyone. That's basically the lesson you should learn here. I mean, watch if you want a perfect example of why his notion of objective critique is so flawed in the first place as he largely skips over what he has elsewhere acknowledged as clear and fundamental holes in the filmmaking. So his point here is that I've accepted publicly that Infinity War has flaws and it's not in the Infinity War video, a video in which I say I am not going to talk about the flaws. It's worse than that, dude. It's worse than that. I say it explicitly after the section he was referring to as being without point. Well, at least it's like when cinema wins, he talks about film.  Like he's explicitly states, these are great things about this movie. I'm just going to focus on the great things about it. The first, that comment in chat. Jack, come on now. Look, Jack, come on. Yeah, this is a co-wibby about music. So he's about to play a clip that proves that I think Infinity War is flawed and that's proof that I never mentioned it in the video and he thinks that proves something. But look how smug he gets about this. You get the impression that Mola was denoting some things as important and... Oh, wait. We're going past it. So apparently Jack's wife is getting salty on Twitter too. Jack's wife? You married that? Brilliant. All right. Infinity War is, admittedly, a kind of unfair example. Yeah, don't send Jack Saint any hate whatsoever, people. Leave him alone. All it's going to do is give him ammo to say that we're the worst channel ever. We're racist bigots and we bully smaller channels. Leave him alone.  He's inventing even more and more. He changes the past and invents context that doesn't exist just to go after people. Leave him alone. Do you think that Shinobi is his son? He was trapped in a basement with his toys. This all makes sense now. What's his wife's foot handle? Do not harass Jack Saint. Yeah, just like, he's really not worth your time. What about Jack's wife, son? This is a music meme. Cuckoldry memes offend me. Mola really does phone this one in. It's just running through the film scene by scene and saying the bits he liked. I guess maybe he thought the more of his video was taken up by summary, the more objective the critique was. Wouldn't that be true, though? I mean, if it was just a plot summary, wouldn't that make it more objective, though? Yes, but I don't know what his take is on that. He just declares it. He uses little quote fingers, but that's like, no. But unironically, yeah, it kind of would be pretty much. This happens, and then this person does this. He declares it as a bad thing, moves on, and it's like, isn't that the thing you accused me of doing? That was bad, okay. If you want a perfect example of why his notion of objective critique is so flawed in the first place, as he largely skips over what he has elsewhere acknowledged as clear and fundamental holes in the filmmaking. Something like that would almost give the impression that Mola was denoting some things as important and some as not important, based on his own biases. Literally described my video as biased. Yeah, like if only you'd mentioned something about this in the video. If only, unfortunately, this is what I mean. This is why this stream, when I was preparing these citations, I was just like, this is going to be easy.  He's literally using words that I have in my videos. Like, what do you want me to do, Jack? In the discussion I had with him in the comment, the way he justified conflating this is like, I say clearly the intention is different. You can tell it's made very obvious. And he says, but the content in them is the same. And that is super fun. His justification for conflating the praises, the rages, and the critiques is that the content is apparently the same. When he's literally criticizing this one specific video for being biased while ignoring other videos. He's not saying that about videos. So on that note, let me read the description of Mahler's unbridled praise video. Is the description of the video that's open instantly? I have no idea what this thing says right now. So I figured since I make a lot of content that is negative about film, I had an idea to try and create a sister series to my unbridled rages. The idea is to try and praise the film for the things I thought were great while leaving the flaws out of the analysis. Basically the complete inverse of what you often see on the channel. I'll pick us back up with other films if you guys enjoy it. I really tried to nail the editing in the script though I wanted to get it out quick to cover the topic. Marvel really did pull something amazing off here. A flawed series, but an unprecedented one nonetheless. Let me know how you feel about the video. Wait, so what you're saying is you're just a rip off of cinema wins? That's quite amusing isn't it? Because the rage and praises are technically cinema sins and cinema wins in what they try to do? Question mark? I mean it's not as if those channels came up with those concepts of ignoring one thing to talk about another thing. But yeah I think it's a fair comparison. I just think that I'm more consistent than cinema sins and cinema wins from what I've seen. But that's, you know, not too declarative. I've only made one praise after all. They both have incredibly different approaches to you is what I would say. Since I've seen most of your content, most of their content as well. Actually I've never seen a cinema sins video. I don't know. I mean watch if you want a perfect example of why his notion of objective critique is so flawed in the first place, as he largely skips over what he has elsewhere acknowledged as clear and fundamental holes in the filmmaking. Something like that would almost give the impression that Moeller was denoting some things as important and some as not important based on- The description is in the video and technically in the title because of what praise means but I'm sure jack I mean it's right fucking there. You didn't even have to watch the video. The description is available from the first second that the video plays on his own. This is and so his critique is unstructured in two different ways. His critique. See he thinks it's a critique. It's not how I describe it at all but okay. Well let's see if that panther clears things up. There are several highly advanced- He's about to pronounce Wakanda. That's true we're nearly there but let's see these these all in a row. Well let's see if that panther clears things up. There are several highly advanced pieces of technology and architecture everywhere but actually they have thatch style huts embedded into the structures. What is with the location and everyone's outfits and the weird war paint stuff?  By taking the flower power back and burying yourself in large amounts of sand you are able to speak to your father through dreamland I guess. How exactly did Tony and his father not find out about the properties of vibranium?  Can't even go with the red lines on the bodies? Come on guys. This film doesn't even explain why he's called the black panther. So first glaring point. The concept of cherry picking. Let's assume that all those points are awful for the sake of the argument. It's not really fair considering a representation of the whole video and he does account for that in a moment. He says something like he agrees with me that the opening isn't very well written and I'm like I'm just sitting here like really Jack like what about the villain making no sense at all in terms of his origin and his plan being based on luck and T'Challa not doing much of anything in the movie making lots of confusing decisions. There's a lot of fundamental criticisms I have right in and amongst ones like less significant ones however I don't actually think that the criticisms I raised are actually insignificant and some of them he's going to assume are objective plot holes like that selection you'll just anything that I bring up he will label as a plot hole and it's like it's embarrassing for me as as someone who gets accused of being so amateur. It's like you realize there's more to flaws in film than plot holes. Yeah like whether or not we learn his name is Black Panther or not that just doesn't mean it's a plot hole. It's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how every single superhero is tied like they have a real name and then they get given their superhero name and you're like okay I'm curious as to how that would occur because everyone gets a natural name and then each of the movies will give us context for it while Black Panther it's just the way it is and you're like okay again not a plot hole it's just like okay then do you want to say like what's the problem all the way asking the question it's like I was curious about it and I don't know why they didn't count for it. Why can't I ask what's wrong with just asking I'm just I'm asking and then he's like I also do kind of like the way you say it does kind of sound like you consider it to be a flaw. Do I that's a good question do I consider that's what I get but the thing is like as I've been over in the video that he's also seen the car in the background Lord the Rings that is a flaw okay but it's like its relevance is so low but I still mentioned it in that video you get it like it is a thing and you could be like the car is a flaw because if you really want it to be explained you'd be like cars don't exist in Lord the Rings universe therefore it can't be there like that would be the the argument I suppose the continuity issue I guess so he'd categorize that the consistency with the world yeah I'm not even sure of how I would categorize that but um just the slip-up that they catch the black not even really an editing it's just that um they didn't notice it until the movie was already finished it's like it's a it's an in universe mistake and an out of universe mistake and in fairness I the only reason I know noticed it is because someone else pointed it out to me because it's such a blink and you miss it thing yeah it's the same for me yeah and I guess the point I'm making is I throw those in the video too but if you collect any and all nitpicks I've ever made and then say that this is all I do like Quinten did and like Jack's doing yeah you can definitely make that argument it's just the context will kill the argument which is the crux of this stream basically um but hey you know let's see his take on it dabbed and slit to shit but absolutely no blood can't even go with the red lines on the bodies come on guys this film doesn't even explain why he's called the black panther you know cinemasins yeah this is just cinemasins what do you mean Jay why would you say that I've never heard of them this is someone just running through a movie points by points occasionally calling out things they consider bad plot holes occasionally it's the whole video yeah it's the whole video this the construction of the video is supposed to be the I provide I'm talking about all the flaws and I give you enough plot summary to be able to understand the context of the floor and he's just described it as bad plot holes this is what I mean about how jack seems to think that anything and everything I talk about equals black a bad plot hole it's like it could be anything there's loads inconsistencies and conveniences are like extremely different to start but they could both be categorized as plot holes by jack I suppose editing errors are not plot holes um the film is complicated I feel so condescending explaining this it's like this just so many ways of film like a child you know it's not just plot holes that's the I guess what I'm trying to say about really commenting on how it fits within the narrative or making a so you said I don't comment with how it fits within the narrative Jay you didn't like my black path of video that much but do you remember me mentioning how any of the criticisms are relevant because of how it fits in with the MCU I'll be real I've blacked most of that out of my memory at this point okay um the the one I use is that um the weaponry and armor and their abilities and the metal and all that stuff by the end of black pants they're telling us that they're introducing it into the world and so I'm like what prevents them now from if they're gonna share this kind of shit like isn't it gonna spread and and the arguments of um I would have the same argument for Tony's nano uh machine technology and the same uh for a couple of different things it's just like this is undeniably incredible technology and the world is facing a threat start mass producing those black panther suits if you know what I mean nope only for black panther so that is a highlight of an issue when the world is at stake isolationism isn't really going to be a reason for why you won't let people have weaponry if you know what I mean um and they're not even isolationist at the end of the movie so what I'm suggesting is what I'm suggesting is that it'll be an issue for um uh the the the world and he's just said like I never explain how it'll be relevant to anything else I'm like I'm pretty sure I do that in the black panther video yeah this is all just cinemasons this is someone just running through a movie point by point occasionally calling out things they consider bad plot holes without really commenting on how it fits within the narrative or making an argument for why these things actually matter to them so the argument I make for why it matters like I just need to pick one and he's wrong so like um why it matters that they kept a secret for Killmonger instead of just taking the child back with them to Wakanda or instead of um letting the people in Wakanda know that this was a thing that even happened they don't tell us why they don't there's no reason for it they keep referring to it as the secret they had to keep and I actually think considering I think it was Wolfer told me there's supposed to be some kind of three hour cup for Black Panther it might be I think it was I think it was much longer than three hours I think it's in there probably because you just need a couple lines to actually connect the dots for why they would be motivated to keep it a secret but they never actually have a moment in the film to do it and I think it was just missed but it creates massive problems for understanding um the motivations of the king and the Wakanda itself I'm sure you'd all love to watch Black Panther but for three hours right yes sounds like something you would all enjoy definitely yeah both of those claims can be counted with context just just recurring theme folks why these things actually matter to the text matter to them or should matter to you just as infinity war was a point by point summary occasionally pointing out good plot things across his video Moeller makes constant references to things like it being counterintuitive the only one person in Wakanda gets access to yeah that case yeah Wakanda Wakanda I've been building up to this for ages and oh is it everything you ever hoped and dreamed it would be it was more than that oh it's the past my expectations like a mini infinity war in your heart the only one person in Wakanda gets access to a special plant that makes you superhuman usually the king or how even though Wakanda is technologically advanced they fall back to fairly archaic things like rustic looking market trial by combat having strict traditions don't mention that people using spears I do believe he comes to that yeah he's presenting my arguments here so we've got nothing to respond to yeah he's gonna count them in a moment but he's snarkily presenting them as if they're just wrong inherently but he is gonna provide a counter argument logically advanced society is fucking spears sincerely why does anyone use anything if so that's a weird question to ask why does anyone use anything I think what he wants to present here is that I could ask questions like why would winter soldier use a machine gun instead of a gun that could be better in that scenario you know and depending on the context these questions are actually relevant and he's about to provide an example from infinity war as if to show that I don't have any criticisms of infinity war which we've already been over as a mistake on his part that he thinks it should have been in my video when it was never intended to be in the video but he assumes that I don't share this criticism so cure it out guardians why on earth would they make Mjolnir a small hammer and not a mini gun because it's based on mythology you dunce I mean well that's not a plot reason though it is an adaption right so we can still argue that they've adapted it with it if you want to tear the Asgardian culture down I think you could do it in terms of assessing how a lot of it's inconsistent into the Odin and Thor clearly very very powerful and hella or hell I never remember who it is in the fucking movie compared to all the other Asgardians who seem to be kind of shit other than Heimdall who seems like decent and then a lot of the citizens are just terrible to the point where they're literally like defenseless and you're like okay so how does the power dynamic work here because like you know how Thor can take getting stabbed and beaten and thrown and exploded and stuff like those citizens look like they could die from you know just a bullet wound while Thor can't be shot by bullets question mark normal human ones right or am I I can't remember if that happens in the movie um either way don't make me have to defend Thor it's confusing survive being punched by the Hulk and like those massive deterrent ships can't survive that he has a super weapon on legs essentially and so like I don't really know exactly what the power levels of Asgardians are or how that works and then there's like their armor which almost seems useless against hella in the movie and maybe that's because she's hella but this is like wouldn't wouldn't the wolves make like amazing armor it's like no let's just assume they don't do that and you're like okay then then there's the weaponry which you know the why why not I don't know there's a couple of things like how does any of this really function why wouldn't the greatest weapon of all time the stormbreaker thing not be the weapon that Odin has or maybe Thor already is I don't I don't get how any of it really works and um Jack's assuming I don't have any of these criticisms for Asgard like I do for Wakanda but I've not made a video on Thor criticizing Thor specifically but oh man could you yeah um there's a lot more to Thor that I have a problem with outside of the world building just like Black Panther their own special Mjolnir Gunter help protect Asgard with plot hole not a plot hole jack you don't know what a plot hole is you need to watch um videos on plot holes protect well no he the videos he's probably watching Patrick Williams Williams yeah then I guess he doesn't know shit about plot holes then Asgard with plot hole how come the U.S. military has had the research notes on cap super serum for so many decades yet most soldiers are just regular dudes and not thousands of captors so this is a trap because it's obviously blatantly explained in the movie that Erskine is the only one that can make the formula and then the winter soldier ones are made in winter well we we're shown that the winter soldier ones are made and that it makes them uncontrollable so Captain America's formula is lost to time and died with Erskine but he's going to argue that it's explained Captain America just like it is in Black Panther but it's not it's explained the Black Panther comics I know that from the amount of people who told me it but it's not explained in the movie research notes on cap super serum for so many decades yet most soldiers are just regular dudes and not thousands of Captain Americans oh wait they actually address that in the fiction kind of like how they address why only one person gets the Black Panther's ability in the fiction of no they don't they don't importantly why which is my argument in the video that he's just not going to bring up here or counter is that um your goal is to protect the king and the king is the the Black Panther blah blah blah he gets the power in the suit because he's he's top of the pyramid okay so why does he have bodyguards it's like to protect him obviously you know like from what why don't well that's another good question but why don't why do the bodyguards not have this stuff too to make them literally the best at their job that they could possibly be you know like because they just don't okay why don't the bodyguards have the Black Panther suit since that technology alone would make you pretty much immune to damage it's bulletproof and again you'd be like they just don't you know like okay um someone made the argument that their fabric is made of vibranium and I was like they their whole heads are fucking available to a bullet like that would be the important part that maybe they want to cover so Black Panther suits for all and then we find out that the literal necklaces that can form around you and Shuri could obviously mass produce them with the amount of vibranium she has mined frequently each day so just like this is really awkward for you to show me and then I argue that um the entire population of Wakanda could be given these flower things and it'll improve their biology as in they will be faster more agile heal better be more immune be stronger like you could give this to your whole population and you'd be like a super race but instead you're like no just for Black Panther and the reasoning that he's gonna present I believe is that it's like a cultural thing like they only let the one guy have it but this is not in the movie they just they just presented that they have flower power and then they just they give it and you're like okay do they ever explain how they even mine vibranium I mean we don't need an explanation for like that surely we don't need to well I guess the logic would be how do you mine steel it's a caveman it's like well you have to do the thing in Terraria right you use a lower material to mine a stronger one then use that mined material to mine a stronger one and then mine is stronger pickaxe that's what I'm saying but it's like but it's one of those things where pickaxe you can it's about how deep you want to go with it if the whole thing about Wakanda is that they're super amazing because they have vibranium like well but if how did how did they turn just vibranium chunks in the earth into some kind of usable material that gives them yeah because it's implied that the vibranium propelled them past the stone age yeah and I want to know how how does we like we found this chunky thing in the ground and it's really really you can't break it we can't I don't even know how we got it out of the ground honestly but it's just like we've got it so how does that make them super super smart and super combat effective because if we had if we had adamantium as in just the strongest metal that isn't our strongest metal currently it doesn't push us into like they just argue that vibranium can just do everything it's like the best technology thing but brianium can be used as fuel you can like burn it and get energy pretty much say it can just be used as everything can be used as little golf balls that you can put in wounds and then they won't die and you could be like that's internal logic so it's okay and I'd be like it is internal logic but it's also the most convenient fucking material that's ever been a fucking storyline it is a macabre my god I just realized seeing this infinity war scene and thinking the little balls like what if t'challa just pulled out like a bag from his pocket and he started like shoving balls all across his face I made the argument that if the dad still had the flower power which they would have to remove from him instead of just letting him keep then he would have survived this and do you remember Jay's counter was the you don't know that could make him survive and black panther survived it my counter also this is the one I'd stand by more I'm not really sure like how I I've again blocked a lot of that out I haven't really gone back to it very much but my counter that I was more pleased with was essentially you imply heavily that they like have to get him to give up the power and my assumption would be that based on I'm sure he volunteers we know the same as a character yeah that he would volunteer yeah no I'm sure he would too I'm saying it's dumb though yeah it doesn't and the I mean in plus what about all the kings who came before he's he's literally the their representative like isn't it important to keep him in a good state when you're isolationist and you're trying to protect yourself from the world he knows exactly how to talk about Wakanda keep him alive he's very useful I don't know man like a lot of it doesn't make any sense but we'll respond mode we've hit the five hour mark by the way we have that's too long we have to be quicker how much longer do you plan on going let's have a look could you do an hour yeah could you do more than an hour I don't know if I could do more than an hour I don't know we'll try and speed it up but I really would like to get through the whole thing because they there's a small addressing of rags at the end oh hopefully like I said when we get to we're nearly to Eric I think and Eric's one is mostly smooth so we'll just let's go oh wait they actually address that in the fiction kind of like how they address why only one person gets the Black Panther's ability in the fiction of Black Panther you might not like the explanation but beyond telling us this is a thing that exists you haven't given an argument for why it really matters here for everything you simply call out in Black Panther and then from your intonation we assume as floor so he's doing this throughout his whole video by the way he like through his intonation after throwing clips on screen we're supposed to assume that they're bad intrinsically there was a couple of them some of them get commentary but in the same way that I do that in my videos some of the things I just I just snarkily say and then some of the things I actually explain but I usually do that with the things that are much more significant that's usually how I roll in the rage videos but again the rage videos are for more for entertainment so he's guilty the thing he's accusing me of and the thing he's accusing me of is actually by design they're the two defendants yeah I think I think it's pretty evident the tone's different but I guess some people didn't pick up on that even though it was written out in the description not girlfriend kills a guy with a shoe I could look back to your infinity war video and find see there's no context for why that's a bad criticism yeah I mean it seems he's just declared that it's bad by showing it so there you go Jackie guilty of it too similar if not almost the exact same quote unquote oh so sorry we should probably say I don't feel I should I feel it's condescending to explain why someone killing someone with a shoe is embarrassing and I wouldn't put it in my movie unless it was a parody like fucking austin powers kills a guy with a shoe I could look back to your infinity war video she should have just punched the guy why the hell would you hit him with a fucking yeah don't don't do anything to me while I'm getting my shoe off even the world's end had a better fight scene than that and that was a comedy and find similar if not almost the exact same quote unquote problems why are there literally two people from Dr. Stranger's sect protecting the time stone weren't all of the Dr. Stranger's sect people wiped out by Caecilius outside of Morbo whatever his name is Morden hadn't seen Black Panther I couldn't say but um if that's a if I check Dr. Stranger and that comes out true that's a fair criticism well didn't they um didn't he reverse time at the end to prevent that from happening and that he was sucked in with the robot or something to complete it though so I don't know if he managed to save anybody from the last area if you know what I mean the thing is that this doesn't counter any of your points it's like you didn't mention the criticisms of infinity war that exist when you weren't yeah this just comes back to how explicit I was about not mentioning the flaws it's literally spelled out for you but I guess that wasn't enough to spell it out for you single most important thing to these people look at how much bringing in his Eric Tacks and editing here too what do you mean these people are we seriously ignoring that they could portal in like he defended this to me when I called him out and in the comments by saying oh yeah but the content in the critiques isn't is pretty much the same as what's in the rages and the brazes no well then why don't you use the critiques as an example since that was you know what you're fucking talking about I agree like a dozen more of these guys and likely stomp the two people Thanos sends down to grab it just the two way so even though Thanos has been roving around the galaxy for decades picking up recruits he only had like five people on hand for infinity war and for a second and they were his trusted soldiers he did hire a couple more people and they betrayed him so yeah they had like a like an army of those like six live monsters the Chitauri army bit of a weird comment jack but okay have a good they have an army in infinity war Thanos already knows he's planning on using the stones to snap away half of all life why does he rove around for so long halving populations right up to the start of the film isn't he at that point just cutting all life by hang on a second um but we don't know when he discovered the infinity gauntlet thing was a possibility has it has it been do you know he's cutting populations in half after he discovers it because he does that to Thor and his people that is true and um it would for me it's not a contradiction I don't know if you'd agree with that it's more of a I'd love to see what he'd have to say about that I imagine he just doesn't like it's just it's tiny numbers in a grand scheme or something like that it's not a contradiction but I would say it makes less I would I would say it would make sense for him to not be doing it at that point it would be interesting if it was in the movie that when he's attacking them to get the stone and he kills half of them he's essentially saying like it's beyond me I'm killing you sure but it's beyond me because it's that this is the rule it has to be half of you and you'd be like well you're gonna half them anyway so isn't this just this is sort of reveal that he kind of enjoys it anyway but that's not in the movie give a better yeah I mean you could say that he's doing it manually because he doesn't he's not certain he can get all the infinities yeah it would be cool to have a line of dialogue I don't I don't disagree but that could get a bit of extra explanation free quote I made a video on infinity war and people commented saying that you know previously they thought it was okay but I have to see in this they were like wow you know it's actually blah blah blah I was trying to be as objective as possible in explaining how the characters move from x to y to z and why that film is of quality and the robots analysis of infinity war for example would probably be that it's like a six or five out of 10 I think this film is okay so he thinks that's a contradiction how? by presenting these clips he thinks that it's a contradiction but like it's the crux of my argument that I'm presenting only the positives and that if you were to be objective about infinity war it would probably reach some form of a par because of the amount of inconsistency but that shows that you know that there are flaws with it this is the thing it's again the film that you literally spell out that there are flaws but you're not going to talk about them because that's not the point of the video he's seemingly blissfully unaware of these several attempts at telling him it's a biased assessment it's amazing how like you literally in that in that in that debate with just right said that it was subjectively you love the movie but objectively not objectively it's not as great as you know you feel it is and he still manages to miss that tended for traditional reviewers and they will be throwing out logic as much as possible since traditional reviewers are the only people who appreciate a lack of logic so this is in regards to tlj and it's just a little snarky comment that I think that it's dumb that Patrick Williams only appreciates the traditional reviewers but they also all happen to love lost Jedi and so my my conclusion is the traditional reviewers just love a complete lack of logic and so Jack is applying this criticism to me saying well you like you you consider infinity war lack of logic and you love it and it's like no jack tlj is basically without logic it's like a one out of 10 fucking objective scale if you want me to really go there while infinity war it's got logic throughout all of the most important elements being the characters their journeys what they did how they grew what they learned the themes those things are consistent it's the world building and the the story itself there's this issues as holes while with the last Jedi there's holes in every fucking respect so false equivalency is the conclusion they uh-oh I think so I don't personally care about these things because I accept for instance that the first fight in New York would feel completely different if both sides had hundreds of unnamed fighters causing chaos all around the city and with the context of the film's escalation of tension potentially throw things off see that's my argument for why I like the early on the fights in infinity war are only between a few people I don't know what he means by sea this doesn't contradict anything I've said yeah it's like that's fine you can like it for whatever reasons you weren't that's different because yeah it makes the massive Wakanda fight feel more as if it's been led up to it's Wakanada of the actual name rather than Wakanda just another exhausting massive clash Mauler jabbing a Black Panther because it's too dark to see him well in the opening fight scene is ultimately meaningless because he doesn't mark it as saying you couldn't see so um we could jump to another video that's an editing mistake how could you we could jump to the other the video I was going to do it to show context but trust me just go to 230 my Black Panther video if you want to see me say it I say that um I'm describing the events in this part of the plot to set up my criticisms of it and I say at least that's what I think happens because despite being the center of my cinema with a full screen I couldn't see a fucking thing now that's a statement that is inherently subjective because I just told you I couldn't see a fucking thing it's it's the fact that I can't see and now he's trying to address it in a way that I'm saying the film is too dark like like as if I'm wrong for saying it's too dark when all I've said is I couldn't fucking see so like it's a bit of extrapolation on his part and how he counters this argument is hilarious a Black Panther because it's too dark to see him well in the opening fight scene is ultimately meaningless because he doesn't argue why this is a problem for the film in Alien the xenomorph is in darkness most of the film yet you'd probably so um does anyone want to crack it this this counter well well you see when it's too dark to tell what's happening that's an editing mistake that's a lighting mistake if you can't tell what's happening how are you supposed to be enjoying the scene but this dark in Alien you could do that intentionally but Alien didn't have that lighting exactly you could do it intentionally for a reason like in a horror film and even then I don't think Alien had bad lighting you tell what's happening I was gonna say if you want to convey that something is is like difficult to see then yeah show it in a way that's you can't tell what's happening but yeah difficult to see for the characters that are experiencing it in the film in the audience those are two different things yet to compare an action scene with a horror scene is incredibly ridiculous because an action scene you inherently need to understand the progression of events while a horror scene it could very well and this is the thing I use this example in the tfa video which he admits he's seen at one point so it's interesting to me that he's trying to provide the same counter that I did to the point in the force awakens flickering lights thing and I talk about how flickering lights in alien makes it harder for the viewer to discern exactly what the creature is we can see it but we're still like what what is that what the hell is that and that's by design because they want you to remain as unaware of exactly what it is for as long as they can it's a fucking horror it's trying to create suspense while in Black Panther you need to argue from a position of action if I can't fucking understand who is even hurting or what's happening I'm just sitting there waiting for the scene to conclude and they go yeah he won by the way I'll be like thanks I was so on the edge of my seat and so yeah the if I made the criticism it would be that it's badly as we'll put it lit or edited but all I said was I couldn't see it so he's taking a subjective argument and arguing it against it objectively who have you heard say that about us regularly yeah well fuck you for not being able to see I mean that was a trick question because it's like everyone accuses that of us it's just funny when they do it to us it happens all the time it happens all the time people are constantly guilty of the things that they say that we do all this yeah let's let's hear him explain why it's fine to have a dark action scene because horror do it argue why this is a problem for the film in Alien the xenomorph is in darkness most of the film yet you'd probably half if you heard me blithely criticize the film because I couldn't see it most of the time because you understand it matches with the film's desire to create tension and a sense of the unknown black panther with the fact that it switches much of the perspective to the guards who are scared of him also appears to be riding on this idea it also again plays into the notion of escalating tension as we're building the audience's excitement at later seeing him show off his full capabilities in a daylight setting you can counter this by saying we already saw him you can tell there's an audio change here and an editing change because he hasn't got visuals of him doing it he realized that his own argument has a flaw being that he said that they show him in darkness first because it's a great build-up to seeing him fight in light and it's like we already saw him fight in light in civil war so but uh this is his counter for that assumed argument full capabilities in a daylight setting you can counter this by saying we already saw him fight in civil war I can counter by asking to what extent filmmakers are beholden to the assumption audiences saw the previous work in a series and look it's a whole conversation about how we each interpret and judge art so he's on the team of you can only interpret it as a sequel if you interpret it as a sequel wow okay all right it's like my favorite a new hope is I mean you could think that the empire strikes back you could interpret that as a sequel to a new hope it could be maybe if you feel that way not set in stone though there's no Jesus Christ these people that's like a that's like something that's like a meme answer that people would make up but they believe it unironically you know someone just someone just posted something in the chat that like reflects exactly how I feel and they said my brain is sore that's exactly how my head feels I like feel like I want to smash my face into a wall I want to sleep for like six years and interestingly Lone Wolf in the chat says Predator did this they hide the threat while showing the action clearly yeah we can follow the events just fine even though we barely see the predator I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say that it is possible to have a sequel where you still build to revealing a thing that the audience has seen before my example would be like Rogue One they clearly build up to you seeing Darth Vader because they know that's something you want oh I wouldn't I don't think his point would be inaccurate it's just that it doesn't defend the idea of poor lighting and it doesn't contradict what I said in the video there's so many layers to why this is a piss-poor counter yeah see him in the dark at the start I got nothing it's the same I know you've got nothing Jack I know that's your whole video see him in the dark at the start I got nothing it's the same kind of vague contextless criticism as pointing out Wakanda is an advanced society with old-fashioned design elements which are true not only of many First World Nations today that's a nice counter my friend but you don't see half a building of steel and half a building of thatched housing it's not a thing it's a really bad attempt at trying to combine two potentially conflicting ideas within a culture I'm not saying it's impossible I'm saying the way they did it was hilarious okay but almost all sci-fi settings don't disagree based on the progress of technology and medicine and protection in general would allow the strongest person to rule rather than the smartest or generally speaking the best you okay? I'm guessing Feyo is finished he's turning gay oh wow oh my goodness wow that is that is that is hideous ah it's gonna be your profile picture now yeah I'm already on it oh my god one day someone's gonna find this like someone who has no idea about like any of this context is gonna find this image and ask me about it oh lord my eyes Feyo and you're the best I love you oh Jesus how do I delete somebody else's pose oh I'm curious though how he defends the trial by combat thing I'm interested to see that let's check it out why not I remember it being one of the weaker parts of the video well gj yeah did or did you I did yeah okay maybe what condons don't look at intelligence the same way we do wow that's so fucking racist how's that for subverting your expectation oh that's subverted by expectations it's the same way we do because IQ is a pretty contentious topic even in societies it's established in and being smart doesn't objectively make you a better leader wait maybe being smart doesn't make you an objectively better leader what a strange statement well couldn't you just flip that and say being strong doesn't objectively make you a better leader which then highlights the issue which is we're raising is that it's a system that does not account for what is best and he's like yeah well that's the way they do it it's like that's my problem obviously when you're gonna choose the dictator of your pacifist society you want to use trial by combat you find out who is the strongest warrior who's gonna be the dictator of your pacifist society especially the the the fact that he's bringing up oh being smart doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a better leader implies that the alternative to trial by combat is like trial by a trivia quiz try trial by leader we use democracy like yeah like this is the only metric that they use who's getting more votes doesn't mean you're smarter I mean look at history haha wow that's racist smart doesn't objectively make you a better leader maybe Wakanda separate from its technological development is an extremely patriotic nation that heavily discourages anything to suggest a change from the established traditions of the state if i'm criticizing them for that Jesus yeah something in the text to also that clip has no relevance to what you're talking about that is literally T'Challa saying you fucked up when you kept the secret of Killmonger Jack watch the movie I remember it better than you and I haven't seen it in wow I can't even remember I'd rather not see no we watched it in preparation for talking Jay that first time oh sure yeah that's probably I want to say two months ago Jay when did we meet can't even remember seeing it about three months ago there you go I watched it three months ago and it was a nightmare I still remember how excited you said because we watched it together and I remember how excited you were when you were like where is my favorite building you know when it was panning over the city the thatched steel building looks like it's rain tonight so I'm too bad for the Janssen's on the west wing Janssen's how do you mean the shook weekends the shook weekends on the is anything to suggest a change from the established traditions of the state if only there was something in the text to establish I like the I'm just gonna imagine to Charles talking to him see look I don't know yeah I actually don't know what he's trying to say here well yeah he's he's saying that I'm I'm misunderstanding that it's a part of their culture when he's misunderstanding that I'm criticizing their culture yeah did he think that you were being like yeah this is a great thing for society to do well I think the problem is that he thinks that I think the excuse they're doing it therefore they're doing it is something I missed I'm like yeah no Jack I know they're doing it that's that's the premise of my argument yeah yeah we think it's dumb elements Moolah has dinged past as objective flaws and you like that he refers to them as me dinging past them do you know I hate to use this term I hate it I'm so sorry to use this term but he's actually dog whistling to people who think that I'm like cinema sins cinema sins I'm not like cinema sins that term is basically like um he's saying something without saying it to get the audience that would agree with him to go not like they nod they go and through interpretation dog whistling simply used for political stuff I am trying to just use it in its actual definition I'm not trying to make a political statement when I say dog whistling there this is actually so this is literally the most political thing that's ever happened and if you don't know that you're wrong he looks like the um somebody in chat said he looks like Steve the pirate uh from dodgeball oh yeah I still it's a combination of things he's a very unique man he can have that if that is considered a compliment to just ways it contributes to the film storytelling how it immediately establishes Wakanda's strict traditionalism as a contrast to its technological progress my point here is pretty shallow part of my video so good job yeah we think that's bad I'm at least actually making one as opposed to rolling through an entire film even the parts where sorry but every time you've accused me of that you've been wrong so I'm just not going to take your word for it anymore you don't actually have anything to comment on stopping for a few seconds occasionally to I roll at something so that the viewers can just intuit it's a bad thing what's this video I was about to say listen listen to what he just said again but in the context that he's referring to himself about my work and listen to what he says an entire film even the parts where I don't actually have anything to comment on stopping for a few seconds occasionally to I roll at something so that the viewers can just intuit it's a bad thing he fuck what he does with my videos that is that say him to a tee so I just the self-awareness explosion in farms rhinos why in the goddamn hell is he farming rhinos Jesus Christ the balancing on that ding um also yeah uh do we need to say anything about farming rhinos or is that covered technically already I think we should go into it the birth of a mean it's yeah I just like it's delivered to be entertaining I could have just said it is strange that they farm rhinos next point but instead I was like nah I'm gonna make my character the delivery in the unbridled rage get flustered at the idea that they're doing that and then these people are like this guy's actually getting really fucking angry just because there's a rhino on screen I'm just like all right you're the okay I can't have to explain this to you in a shocking twist we get the exact same criticism brought up again regarding why Wakanda only wants there to be one Black Panther and it's just Ben how are you showing clips of Iron Man and Captain America while making this criticism and not seeing a contradiction why don't the Tibetan monks teach everyone the mystic arts they're very very selective about that it's in the movie it takes a while for Doctor Strange to get a chance at learning it you just bring back up at this point the part where he acts all on his high horse about saying oh oh yeah this was explained in the text of the film yes so Jack you might want to re-watch Doctor Strange they're protective as fuck about all of their information because they think it's considered power that people shouldn't hold or at least people who aren't the film he was talking about there was Black Panther I would say Doctor Strange has a better explanation of why only a few people have the gift than Black Panther does yeah and they try to explain it for starters and Doctor Strange is irrespective of the person's origins in any way shape or form while Black Panther the best you can say is they don't like people outside of Black Panther doing to them and you're like okay but Doctor Strange is just we'll move on to the next one why doesn't Spider-Man tell Oscorp or whatever about the spider things why doesn't Spider-Man tell Oscorp about the radioactive spider things this is a legitimate question he's asking guys is there anything you'd like to say wow um wait who runs Oscorp again the bad guys okay maybe he's trying to say that at the beginning when Peter Parker didn't wait which which universe is this in I guess we're gonna have to use the MCU one so we don't have any of the answers oh yeah with the MCU I'm not as familiar with how do you what what is he gonna do I was bitten by a spider in a building everyone should go do that because what it did for me is amazing a radioactive spider aren't they specifically studying their effects on humans so surely they will find that out yeah we it's we're not given the origin in the MCU so we're gonna have to assume from the fact that they haven't given us that origin what we're getting is a result of what was possible so multiple people in chat are asking if Oscorp exists in the MCU that's a good question actually I don't even know I don't know if it's been mentioned yet I imagine I don't think it's been mentioned I will imagine I imagine they'll bring it up eventually yeah oh that's actually it's actually a question that auto fills on google and what's the result let me how Oscorp could possibly work in the MCU who bought Avengers Tower in Spider-Man Homecoming oh yeah I've heard it implied before that Oscorp are gonna like take the Avengers Tower that's a theory yeah there's a lot of there there's a lot of videos here talking about how to introduce Norman Osborn and Oscorp into the MCU and yeah so to conclude here I don't think that we have an issue right now in the narrative but even if they were that doesn't mean that I don't agree with Jack on this he just assumes that I wouldn't yeah and and the thing is we I don't think that Oscorp exists in the MCU anyway to tell currently I'd have to control that Oscorp in all MCU scripts I guess it's just one of those instances we have no information on it so asking the question is kind of pointless because it could literally be anything yeah we don't have so there can be more Spider-Man to protect the earth maybe there's a fear there that if they don't consolidate this strength and use it sparingly the Wakandan's risk a lot more so his argument is going to counter why the Wakandans don't expand outside of Wakanda when my main argument was the people of Wakanda and then specifically the bodyguards of Wakanda that was my biggest argument he's ignoring both of those and he's instead addressing why Wakanda wouldn't give it to the world not necessarily even the bigger part of my argument and I I haven't even rewashed my video or powerful people with bad intentions and no easy mechanism to stop them you know how Iron Man has to specifically pick Peter out to give any kind of super suit and even then it's with heavy heavy restrictions and only allowed to be used in a very specific context maybe it could be a similar kind of or whatever Dean he gives up because there's no actual citation you've got loads of references for Iron Man and why he won't give away his suits that's in the stories Wakanda doesn't really have shittle for explaining why they don't give their bodyguards highest tech and flower power he stops there and I'm wondering yeah go on oh he's stomping oh well he thinks the point's obvious and he's accused me of not extrapolating what I mean by my points that's a bad thing so it's like Jack you're doing it too buddy I mean at this point as well I've seen this one so much I imagine you guys will agree that it is say oh this thing isn't a problem because it could also be a problem in these other movies what oh it was the what about this thing yeah which is annoying I just want to see it for the last Jedi a lot oh yeah yeah well this other movie yeah well we're not talking about another movie yeah and it's like whether or not it's bad and the other movie is not relevant right now yeah my god we're not even a quarter of the way through the film yet now does Mola stumble upon some we're about to get the first Jack compliment that's like seems partially legitimate like I said Eric is much nicer to me than Jack is but check this out hooray now does Mola stumble upon some points I found strong in this 45 minute rant absolutely I also found the writing in that first scene between the dad and the uncle contrived this is followed up by a lengthy diatribe about how Shuri being a protocol genius inventors because well did you notice that the other protocol genius inventors are guys Jay was the one who actually highlighted this to me because I missed it on my first watch through what do you think he's saying when he says this Shuri being a protocol genius inventor type is apparently a problem for her and not the other protocol genius inventors because because she's a woman I know I think it's because she's black oh really oh I think poor Jack I was going is so sucked into the insanity of his politics he just automatically assumes my issues with Shuri because she's black really I was gonna get you see I don't I don't even know I assumed it was identity yeah I assumed it was an identity politics related piece of garbage but like literally if she was 40 I would not have cared at all same here's the thing here's the thing if you when he says when he makes his argument saying why is it a problem for Shuri to be a a progeny and an an inventor but not these people he adds just the words not these people like you never say that you never didn't you never say that you never specify it's a problem for this person not for these people I mean it works both ways because he showed two white males this is black female yeah so it could be either black or female either way jack and this is clear in the video I just I'm sorry you've let your politics get way too far into the into the assessment um I think it's bad because she's so young and there's no senior members even though Wakanda has had a piece for like ever since the the stote age right like there's been a consistent the clan has always to charlotte's clan has always been king I can't remember if that's in the movie or not but I'm implying that there's been no problems for the science division and the medical division and yet this 16 year old girl who is apparently the smartest person in Wakanda is the lead person for that area to the point where she's helping the king on his missions it's a little bit ridiculous yeah I mean look at what spider-man did he made a terrible suit in a thing that shoots webs and that's he fails all the time spider-man homecoming is full of fails if if uh the lead scientist in Wakanda was like old but a white dude you would probably have questions like that would be a problem why the fuck is the leading scientist in this isolationist nation in Africa fucking white that wouldn't make sense that would be an issue you know when we watched Infinity War last I even pointed out there's like this one shot where there's some random white Wakandan and I was like what is he doing here it was so weird well they opened up their board as well if it makes complete sense it could why would he be dressed like them and armed like them it could be just that the opposite of tanning no it you can it could be a genetic like defect that he I'm genetic defect I don't even yeah yeah yeah he could be albino if his parents are both black he could have like albinism he was clearly just a white guy though no no he he was he was like here's a white guy no he just spent a lot of time indoors he was a starcraft pro that makes complete sense to me yeah because what else are you going to do in a super pacifist society where nothing happens then make what are those memes that's that's what I would do yeah exactly he's Michael Jackson by the way a terrible accident involving a commercial like if Jack is not aware of this what he just did was walk down a corridor point to a room and say this room does not exist and carries on walking and so I'm like oh that that's an existing room it's like he's he's highlighting the issue while saying it's not an issue that he's gonna discuss and it's like you would have just cut that out if that's what your goal was but you clearly kept it in because you wanted it said arguably another dog whistle too but uh I don't know you know you get to the point where it's just like you expect anything better not really nope not really happening here in Moorla's own words just another bloody stupid detail as we've reached the 30 minute mark Moorla is still just summarizing the film making occasional digs as we've already established he doesn't understand what's happening when I summarize so I'm not really gonna take that with a grain of it'll take that with a giant silo of salt I think is what I meant whatever he says regarding um summaries I can't you can't trust him he's shown himself to be an unreliable source of information things that maybe half the time aren't easily shrugged off and it begins to feel a whole whole lot like this is just a guy digging things with no real thrust beyond the fact that there it is again thrust again that downward thrust that made him feel bad without this elaboration it's hard to really get by these we didn't feel bad the only feeling here is coming from you and your we go by facts I know that's a little bit of a difficult thing for you to grasp since you don't live in the real world you live in a little fantasy land where you think we're racist but don't let him twist that into uh see wolf admits he doesn't have any subjectivity involved in his videos and so when you find an example you've proven him wrong it's like no no and I clearly do but not here but not in infinity war no real delineation yes they do what's the criticism of you literally played the clip of when mollars had veyom he just said of infinity war is only like a six from the robot of the film miss it he said though there's no real delineation of what's a criticism of the film versus the characters I see that again here but not in infinity war no real delineation between what's a criticism of the film or the characters what is it hard for you to understand a character criticism or do you need me to explain when I'm making a character criticism so when I say Finn isn't consistent in tfa do you need me to say this is a character criticism ah surely you can yeah tell the difference by listening to the words that's what I was assuming yeah like if it's about the there was a comeback by the way just in case you needed me to explain that to you it's like I have to kneel down like I'm talking to a child try to get on their level so I don't feel like I'm too imposing and say if I'm talking if my criticism is about the character sweetie it's a character criticism as bum lux just highlighted the characters are part of the film that's a meaningless distinction that's true if you criticize a character and someone asks you did the film had any issues you could say yeah this character da da da da yeah Mola thinks of as objective flaws versus just things he personally didn't like it's a challenge wait what was he criticizing there he didn't explain shocking that's a good point checker acts that the film may please don't don't procreate jack is that made him feel bad I mean he without this elaboration it's hard to really get why these contrivances matter here but not his wife's boyfriend will no real do you master an infinity war there's nothing wrong with no one's ever said they don't shut up stop it hey man he can go bad faith we do it okay that was a long simile from that's an argument I actually didn't catch that oh do you want to go back listen let me tell you as someone who has been dissected on e-fap learn from it right you won't you don't have to agree with literally everything they say but listen to the things they say as an open mind Jay you have to you can't just tell people that you don't agree with us and things yeah jay can you start with these opinion things you broke character jay you're the worst boss ever you're not my real dad I don't even believe that you are jj banks anymore that fucking picture though it's amazing my god the film may choices that mayo is too good at what he does bad without this I hope that Bayowin is a he because I'm gonna feel really bad if I like have been calling him a he's not he's one letter away from aowyn so just switch with every passing sentence between and a couple letters away from fate it isn't so and a couple letters away from talented why don't I have eyebrows on my nose in this picture huh I have two distinct eyebrows like above my nose and I don't get it I think it's supposed to be a break for with the glasses connect and it may not the glasses connect with eyebrows you borrowed some of Quinton's monobrow I apologize in advance Bayowin if I've accidentally been misgendering you you see this is this goes to show we don't give a shit what your gender is you could be talented either way chaseface said apparently jack's done with watching this because he wants to go watch yu-yu haku show you must have felt really embarrassed by how lazy his video did out to be a little bit yeah I would be embarrassed if I made this I would be pretty embarrassed I'd be pretty ashamed myself why these contrivances matter here but not in infinity wall the infinity wall video is not presenting errors jack how many times no real delineation it is literally spelled out literally spelled out like so when people are like cleaning me in a mistake like this is why we get confused because we're just like surely that's bad faith because I make it explicit in the clip he's referring to in that section so how could he have missed that and what you could say is that if he actually mentioned it in this video he goes he says he's not going to talk about errors but that's hypocritical because and then makes an argument for why I should that would be different but he's not even referenced it it's bad criticism he's like just say things have people who want to hate you piece it in on their own maybe in between what's the criticism of the film or the characters what mauler thinks of as objective flaws versus just things he personally didn't like Mr. Chalages agrees to it like the way they frame this scene is that he has the opportunity to deny this shit and yet he gambles himself a powerless soupless techless Wakandan warrior against a professionally trained CIA kill count record breaking psychopath with a vengeance obsession directed at your bloodline what a dumbass move you're about to hand your whole land and people to this monster because he has the correct I think this guy makes a good point I like this guy the fact is Mauler doesn't seem to understand tradition as being a very over theme please just like edit the black bars off I know it's it's a peppy no get rid of them I have a choice why would you take that ugly get them away are you saying black isn't beautiful Jay the African American bars Jay come on Jay you're twisting my words this is these bars are never going to this is completely unfair why would you insinuate that I'm a racist when that's clearly not my intention anyone who does that is clearly just that's your opinion it's pretty easy to understand Disney's superhero film or it's just irrelevant to him because he doesn't frame his criticisms around notions of theme what the film may be trying to communicate how an objective aspect of the film such as the fact that T'Challa lets Kilmonger fire even if it might mean him gaining the throne does not an objective flaw make it does I'm highlighting that the mother says in the scene don't as in don't accept the challenge as in you actually have the ability to do said thing and T'Challa is like no I'm going to do it and so I'm sitting there like T'Challa if you win great if you lose your entire society and the world is going to get destroyed why risk that when you can choose no you rem and this guy's response is you don't understand that it's a part of the theme is the theme being fucking stupid it's like a meme it's like it's not a criticism if it's related to the theme it's my argument about the theme clashing with the narrative they address this later and they just do not understand the argument simply because you personally wouldn't make that choice it's not about if I would make it it's about to T'Challa not making it humans are not logical can't expect characters to behave logically or else a film just couldn't exist you know what you guys are right there would be no conflict if everyone behaved logically just as with the infinity war video Mola exposes how his video's bloated length is a consequence only of the fact that he constantly repeats himself discusses things that have so you showed one example of me mentioning the spear more than once and that means I constantly repeat myself well and Jack you did it nothing to do with his analysis of the work thoughtlessly calls out as criticisms parts of said work which are perfectly in line with the narrative and logic of that world just explain how that one isn't and how every fucking thing you said at this video it's like not applicable to that statement but okay old or straight up makes up plot holes and so he's referring to me not getting Black Panther's name and I don't ever call that a plot hole I simply ask I simply state that we never find out why he's called Black Panther yeah this is like a break from tradition essentially but he's like you think that's a plot hole he's like nooo nooo that didn't affect the plot at all actually aww chaseface on twitter someone added him and said anyone defending this Mola person is embarrassing themselves for the whole world to see you guys are amazing we are amazing who's saying that I don't know that it's because I can only see it in discord it's from Perry Rinaldo Singletary Jr so take that as you will I agree we are awesome we are so we are so we're pretty excellent thank you I accept the compliment happily and you're correct we are pretty fucking we are the tits I agree with that statement too yeah I like these statements I'm not defending Mola I'm just here to prove it my own channel at the end and not because it's offering him the chance of a deeper analysis once again we get as what is deep jack shallow reading in which a man on the internet angrily explains it's like not shallow oh okay I get it these things in a film that may or not be bad may or may not come with an argument as to why they're bad but certainly if you listen to the tone of his voice we know how he feels it's all of that can be applied to this video and it's so much worse because at least I'm attacking a movie and that I'm using references that are provable from the movie while you've you've taken another person's work out of context to prove something about them that's not true this is why Wolf was doing the whole subhuman thing probably it's not cool to do this to another person it's it's actually mean it is indicative of one's character and their principle it's not just a mean it's like I don't respect you as a person if you do that I can't fuck what the fuck you dumbass movie it's just oh here's a long boring summary of what happens in movie and I pick out things in this that make it bad it's really important they ride rhinos in Wakanda movie loses points for that I don't think I ever said movie loses points for that I just point out I don't do a conclusion other than ranting that I think the movie is fucking terrible I'm pretty sure but fuck we don't need to get into the rhino criticism I mean I would say when you criticize something that is something that you considered the movie well he's implying the cinema sins thing again arbitrary numbers adding up to something and for me I'm more just pointing out all the things that I think are wrong or bad or inconsistent or whatever hang on I'm sorry I'm sorry did you just say that I'm not cinema sins I'm just pointing out all the things I think are wrong when the video series is literally called everything wrong with well I don't I don't do I said they don't count Moeller Moeller I don't do numbers that's not okay I don't do numbers long man bad no so someone said subhuman doesn't seem accurate because no animal or mentally handicapped person would do something like this that literally implies that it's Elm like mentally handicapped people are subhuman couldn't it be argued medically that they'd be subhuman as in they they are I don't want to go down this route I think midgets are subhuman because they're lower and I think they're subhuman because they live in the ground they live in the ground live in their hobbit holes well do we can we like make an exception for Peter Dinklage he was very he was very big in infinity that's true that is very true he's big if you like lay down right in Moeller don't go there dude you'll lose your channel for sure yeah it's literally about how you define sub or below less than the standard you know healthy but subhuman is typically used as an insult to be like you're below the respect of a human so I understand I take it back someone pointed out rags you're a doggo listen obviously I choose to be down here actually so I can be more aware of my surroundings secondly I was joking about the dwarves I have many many good friends who are dwarves and they're wonderful wonderful people my best friend is a dwarf yeah shout out to all my all my dwarf friends I love dwarves I love dwarves because I used to take a train that had a dwarf on it sometimes so now wait a minute Mahler hey dwarves take up less space on the train there's that's good to have dwarves around I say I say more dwarves look I know dwarves dwarves are my favorite no one loves dwarves more than me I'm gonna say hide away has pointed this out so far the video is mostly about mollus rant videos why when people having problems with mollus critique series the actual long videos yeah because the rage ones and the praise ones are both lower than an hour yeah he doesn't go after what you what the example should be if he's trying to make his point as coherently as possible he's going after Eric is targeting the critique series that's the interesting part we're coming back to Eric in a second and he has more relevant things to say someone said rags name the dwarf as well name the dwarf name the dwarf oh listen uh no I feel like I I don't want to do that to him he's a nice guy he likes to lay low so I I don't want to you know I don't want to really put him out there like that that's that's a low that's a low blow rags a low joke I hate to be so short with this kind of I just feel like it needs to be said important they ride rhinos in Wakanda movie loses points for that in this movie doesn't matter if the villain's motivations are entirely inconsistent there are no can you justify that yeah justify that claim go for it yeah please justify that claim I'm curious good thing bad I really like people who are definitive how can he criticize you for saying thing bad at this point oh man that's tough that's tough also so this is going to be a quote where I I'm talking to wolf about how I like it when there's references for things and you fully explain yourself to me that's gold and obviously the contradiction would be you don't do that in your rage and praise videos and I'd be like you're right I don't yeah that's why they're rage and praise videos that they have their own names things bad thing yep I really like people who are definitive and they have strong evidence that shits gold it's like yes you put in the work instead of just going well if you look at this over here from this angle in this way and then look at this part in the film as well then it's pretty good right it's like we can insult Mahler's content all we like you can try you can try I don't really see that much value and just dunking on someone like there has to be at least a bit of insight so with that in mind I'd like to bring your attention to a certain time stamp it's 52 minutes and 20 seconds into part three of Mahler's I'd like to remind you guys I'm already feeling better with Eric on screen and I know that sounds ridiculous it's just because his take is just so much less retarded than Jack's Eric's baby photo on his when does it say buyer's mark his buyer's mark buyer's mark mark market buyer's mark I I got nothing buyer someone said he was sloths back everyone's referencing you will try of Mahler's critique of the last Jedi I mentioned this part because that's when he's done explaining the entire film and excruciating detail but you might be wondering how does he continue talking for an hour after that and he when he's done explaining the movie well as it turns out like that's the good part like the first four hours was just a massive lumbering preamble this portion starting at 52 sorry we're gonna we're gonna let that one we've addressed him talking about that I'm gonna let that one pass Eric is he trying to compliment me here and I appreciate it two minutes and 20 seconds into part three of Mahler's the last Jedi critique is truly a master work it's I think he's being facetious there but I actually do think that he thinks that it's actually good stuff in that part so we can take that folks thumbs up yay it's such a condensed sequence of spicy takes that it makes the first bit seem like it's just you seem confused as to what to do with your hands a little bit yeah um so like he doesn't see the value in having the bits of the beginning when I'm gonna do the summary anyway and I understand how you reach that point but as me and I think Jay we're talking about at the beginning of the stream or near it the purpose of the stuff before the summary is is evidence and there's explanations in there too yeah it's definitely not just a summary there's calling it just a summary would be I would say incredibly bad faith because I mean even if you disagree with the points you're making during that time there are clearly points being made like he's weeding out all the casuals now that I've told you that you can just no I think your videos are very approachable weeding out the casuals okay the useless garbage and get to the stuff that matters and I recommend you do because it provides a lot of insight into how Mahler views his craft but also we don't have all day so I'll give you the short version if there's one thing that can be taken away from this it's that Mahler sees airtight storytelling as the the the absolute most important thing to strive for when you're when you're making a movie if say you ever had to make a choice between logical consistency or bolstering some other aspect of the of the work see I just needed to be more specific with that claim I'd be like when are those two things opposed to each other instead of working together I would be I just need you know but like I'll let him go for that one I would say that you're not saying you're not saying don't do this do that you're saying do both yes 100% you ever had to make a choice between logical consistency or bolstering some other aspect of the of the work you always always always choose logical consistency for an example of this if you let sure would you go it's the last Jedi by saying that it has a strong theme of failure and progression that would be a motif go back to Bill George you can win pay rise a theme can be defined as a motif it gets in that it gets into semantics though and I don't know if we want to go there like I'll just get down off my high horse well the problem is people will tell you you don't know what a theme means and then you check the definition and then they go that's not what a theme means and you're like oh my god help my brain what do you mean by theme argumentative misfire because in his words the themes go against the logical consistency like some logical consistency had to be sacrificed in order to include it I wouldn't put it that way logical consistency was sacrificed for the theme I would say that the way in which they execute this story they didn't realize that they were sending conflicting messages the theme is made very clear by Yoda so we know what it is we have the statement failure the best teacher is or whatever it is and then you like look at the events in the film and you have characters that are not failing and we're being told that they are and then they learn lessons that put them in worse positions and so it's just confusing it's apparently applicable that Rey failed to convert Kylo to the light side and it's like what do you mean she just went there she for some reason thought that that he was a good guy and then it turns out he was a neutral guy which is better than bad but then her refusing to hang out with him makes him evil again it's so like what are you trying to say film what do I say to this well most if not all plot lines and character developments we just went over for the last four hours don't make sense they weren't supported by the previous films nor were they well executed they simply happened the best example being Poe's he didn't fail throughout the movie when you actually consider his actions Finn only failed because the writer decided that a bb unit saw his team things like this forced me to come to the conclusion that yes why did he just throw me in there forced forced diversity get it oh okay oh yeah most video was getting yours with shit Eric I don't know why I don't know why you want to remind people love that but all right you're that yes Ryan Johnson wanted this theme and he shoehorned events to make it happen but this makes the writing even worse he put a theme over the characters over the plot to force the characters around the theme to make you think about it on your own personal I guess I did kind of say that I just need to qualify what I what I say there in case anybody's not getting it it's it's just that um the idea of theme comes above everything else and makes the movie perfect even if nothing makes sense in relation to the theme when themes are especially the nature but a lot of themes can be so broad and poorly defined and they can pretty much be kind of just summoned into existence by the way you want to interpret things like anything could be the theme or anything might not be because it's just so ethereal in a way I don't particularly hold themes myself to be like up there in terms of a movie's importance because of that I just think it's a really low sort of bar I like talking about themes once once all the things that are great about the movie have sort of been made clear and then the theme is like the icing on the cake in terms of look a whole this connects when you really step back look at the lesson that the film is trying to tell us through all of these events while other people would be like as long as there's a good theme the movie was good it's icing not cake it's a thing you can have a good theme and like a logically coherent plot those two things are actually exclusive instead of fights the theme to appear more intellectual although he seems to think that a theme is just noticing that a thing happens a lot which is an odd way of looking at it like there's a part in the video where he just completely shoots down the entire idea of interpreting themes by picking a word from a so it's the my point is to shoot down the entire idea it's that the theme is so arbitrary in The Last Jedi in terms of how you apply it you can apply anything to it and that's not the case for every movie it's not the case for every story but The Last Jedi people are desperate to apply themes to it in order to defend it and I try to prove that and I would say if that's not what he thinks themes are tell us what themes are yeah it'd be nice to know what he considers to be themes if he's yeah see you got to keep them ethereal and floaty and out there but I mean if like if I was doing a video response to somebody now and they said you are this or you are not that this is not that and I would be like okay well you're gonna have to tell me what you mean then or just at least explain where I've misstepped maybe I'm on point but I've missed a certain detail of interpreting themes by by picking a word from a hat for for his example it was resurrection and then pointing out all the times that something someone or something resurrects during the film like uh-huh this is equally arbitrary therefore themes are bullshit nearly there see you so close equally arbitrary therefore is bullshit in this movie but themes in general I love themes and they can be measured mechanically and emotionally for what it does for you personally um that you get then example would just be like some guy who's like heavy into how capitalism is destroying the world or whatever there's a movie where where a guy is wearing two boots and he's and they're very worn and he goes uh so that's tying into the theme because it's worn workman shoes is to try and imply that the working man is kind of beaten down by the one percent having benefited off it while he can't even afford new shoes and then you find out that that character is actually not working and that those shoes are ones that he just casually put on they belong to his dad or something and you're like this doesn't really really apply what you just said is more interpretation more subjective it's got no mechanical reference and that's how I look at themes and I consider it both important you tell me that you've drawn something out of a text that I don't even think is there mechanically it doesn't matter if it's a subjective argument if you're talking about what it means to you because I'm not I can't take that away from you and I wouldn't want to that is my take Kylo allows the dark side in him to falter and resurrect part of the light Poe resurrects the part of him that wants to maintain the cause rather than trying to be a hero Leia is resurrected by the force I don't know the whole failure thing wasn't just people pointing out that characters fail like I thought a pretty big part of it was that Kylo Ren doesn't learn from his mistakes like the mistakes that he made in the Force Awakens and I think you have to try really hard to staple that into the theme because Kylo is so confusing when you try and look at him consistently in terms of his choices he's not on a he's not on a path he's zigzagging all around who knows what he'll be film again our our thing you're not allowed to vote for Kylo in our thing because he's gonna be the most inconsistent pretty much as a guarantee so we have to boot him out just continues to fail while everyone else just moves on I don't know it's worth talking about though so um I talk about it in the video a lot and he's and he said it's worth talking about though I agree with you Eric and I feel like I did so yeah I'm already sure how you came to that conclusion but okay anyways the same argument is used to to discredit people who say that the visual splendor of the last Jedi is a selling point the term style over substance is used next up would be the phrase style over substance this is of course in reference to the idea that you put your eye candy before your writing films like speed racer enter the void transformers 300 and avatar are also used as examples in this sort of genre if you can call it that some of those examples are far worse than others but you get the point the last Jedi has a strong pattern of style over substance let's go through a few so you know what I'm talking about phasma disappears and then reappears in smoke making no sense but it looks imposing the hyperspace jump makes no sense in universe but it looks incredible the destruction of the bridge on the radis makes no sense but it looks impactful the barma ships make no sense but they reference world war two bombers which looks for reference people this is in my summary so you if you would disagree with any of my takes on these all of my evidence and breakdown is in the plot summary part for all of these yep that is the purpose of it yeah each of those things is talked about individually yeah striking phasma falling into a sudden pit of fiery death makes no sense but it looks intense and furthermore I don't understand how you can watch that and come to the conclusion that you're saying the visuals don't matter like you spoiled it jay but no you're right so yeah point being writing is sacrificed in favor of creating engaging visuals or I don't know well-composed impactful imagery I guess as a winner you could have good writing and striking imagery don't sacrifice either of those things to add to the other yeah you can you can just strive for both that uh and along with all this uh he claims that stuff like visual splendor doesn't even matter it doesn't matter compared to the when talking about writing all right and I think he's about to show a clip of this just listen to what I say because it's just gonna age and it takes money to generate imagine what the end result of this film would have been without the money behind it to fund the actors the set pieces and the CGI these things don't matter in the grand scheme not even the assets poached from star wars as a franchise they do not matter to the writing the effects will age the shots will age every choice will age writing and storytelling is timeless I agree he says doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter compared to the writing so yeah the if I don't disagree that there's room to interpret that I'm saying that our visuals don't matter I think that's just a poor take when I've said that and that the more likely take would be that I'm saying that these things don't matter to writing quality which is intrinsic in the writing is writing and those things are visuals but visuals do matter in films I would never have said that visuals do not matter I think that's a pretty stupid thing to say this is honestly just a bewildering way of looking at film like I know there's a lot of online media critics who really value logical consistency perhaps a little too much but too much I haven't seen anyone else say that it is like straight up the only thing that can ever make a film good and everything else is just because I haven't said it either you still not heard that he would say it it's a distraction you know you can just read a book right like how can visuals be neutral in a visual medium are they neutral are they are they neutral or do they not matter what about books with pictures in them Eric also I was just about to say the medium when you read them I am I kind I mostly agree with his counter argument to the straw man he created down straw man you go you were a bad argument and it's an especially strange critique to level at star wars of all things which is as far as I can tell is a series that is mostly known for its imagery that's why I like them no no no imagery and visuals aren't necessarily the same thing at all I would say it's more known for its characters um known everywhere complicated question but I would say that star wars is fucking amazing because of great characters and an incredible use of special effects for its time it's it's iconic just for like everything in it isn't it pretty much kind of very few parts of the mute the soundtrack of star wars is incredibly iconic the world building is like now it is amazing world building the characters visually and other considered you know incredibly iconic characters I know I phrase that really well you know I I I agree with you but um first and foremost of what I think makes the that makes it strong would be the characters but I mean what is it best known for it's a complicated question Darth Vader you could immediately recognize him just a silhouette and like a single line of his dialogue he is iconic for basically everything or just his breathing you don't need to have him talking he's iconic like with the things he says the sounds he makes and the way he looks essentially trifecta someone say what about comics so every medium has different standards it's every craft right comic book writing would be different compared to script writing even though I think they would share a lot of similar things considering even then I mean I've read some really great comics with really great writing yeah berserk I mean I know it's a whatever manga like it's still a comic his counter is like that's so it's great his counter is like I'm looking at movies as if they just books or something and I'm just like no there would be different standards but he's this is the thing I can see how he got here and it sucks that he got here because I think that he was like a seconds away from understanding what I was actually saying in a visual medium and it's an especially strange critique to level at Star Wars of all things which as far as I can tell is a series that is mostly known for its imagery that's why I like yeah I can't say it's mostly known for its imagery I would be like it's mostly known for Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker probably at the peak I'd say the most iconic thing from Star Wars as far as I'm as far as like you know my understanding would be I am your father that is I don't know what do you guys think of that alone true oh yeah that's like one of the most recognizable musical compositions ever so yeah yeah it complicated but I mean we'll let him go for that them like I saw them without any nostalgia goggles and I thought they were great like I I had a really good time with with the imagery I thought it looks and felt really nice it had an ambience to it and it also had huge ass emotional set pieces and and I loved it all and that's also why I didn't really like the Force Awakens because it felt a little Jedi themes what the cool the last Jedi does have striking imagery and huge emotional set pieces you can't say it doesn't have those yeah we've I think I've spoken to someone else about this I was like to say it has an emotional set piece I'd be like sure if that is your standard then I can understand why you would feel that way about the film yeah whether or not it's a strong emotional set piece or a weak one that's another conversation I mean they I guess they tried the things again that you have to for some people the fact that there are writing errors won't react from the emotion they feel when they're watching the scene I don't personally empathize with that but clearly there are people maybe there are people clearly there are people okay clearly there are people I don't like the Force Awakens did they cut out there is that yeah we know what you said though it's not a rule I agree some people will clap at anything comparison it felt very standard it didn't it didn't have the ambience and in turn that's why I liked the last Jedi because there are some shots in that movie that are gonna be remembered alongside like genuine question does this feel a little bit more like he's actually trying to share how he feels as opposed to manipulate something yes and I'm like for a moment that's why I'm like more pulled into this because I'm like you're not trying to fuck with me thank you you're just actually just talking for a bit and it's not to say that Eric hasn't fucked up previously because he absolutely has it's just that this is so refreshing in this video this portion it's just like oh thank christ does um what is um what does jack think about the last Jedi does he like it probably dude probably because yeah the fact that you said probably I'm thinking is there a way that Eric could have come out and said that he thought it was terrible and awful I don't know out into the the double sunset in a new hope like there's just so much emotional content in some of the events that happen in that movie some of the images that are shown on screen and that might explain why I didn't mind so much that the bombers were designed in practically but here's the skinny Mahler has heard all of this in a critique of the last Jedi part three Mahler implies that that argument and arguments like it are an attempt to shield the film from criticism like he makes up a hypothetical episode nine where like just would you say the way he made it there was attempting to shield the film from criticism no he was making subjective arguments yeah he he said he acknowledged that this could be considered a flaw and then goes on to say but I liked it because I don't prioritize things like that personally I don't know if he knows that's fine with me yeah but we we have encountered people and we constantly do who make nonsensical arguments in order to defend the film like there are people who will say that same thing and then go see the film isn't fucking bad and you're like well no you just ditched that on the end like you can still objectively qualify loads of things in the movie that are flawed you can't just say but I don't care about those and then say the movie is good because of that a hypothetical episode nine where like everything is like completely off the wall like all all the threads are dropped it's hilarious honestly all right it's time once and for all to destroy this argument what if the ninth episode of the series opens with Luke saying lol I'm sleepy I guess and he jumps wearing only a nappy into space he chops every last death star star destroyer etc in half and kicks the supremacy he then stands on the sun and says Kylo you must return to the Jedi because they are actually okay and really cool and so Kylo does would that be something you consider bad because if you did if you said to me that this is terrible writing do you know what I'd say back to you you don't search for logic in a star wars movie a movie full of laser weapons noisy explosions in space and little muppets running around you need to remember that this is a movie first with visual it's practically an argument from principle it's like pretty much yeah wait it's trying to find people's limits yeah what's the line for you yeah once there's that line that's established well now they have to qualify the line and they can't it's not based on principle it's based on feeling exactly that's the point full metaphor and not a documentary about real things happening in space and really this just speaks to Mahler's utter narrow mind are you gonna answer the question you're not even gonna answer the question are you Eric he called me narrow minded that counts rags you're not even gonna answer the question are you Eric and really this just speaks to Mahler's utter narrow mindedness when it comes to her like the only way a film can be good or bad is based on how airtight the script is and if you apply that there are other ways to judge a film then he says you just don't have standards at all that's a good straw man like come on Eric wow oof why didn't he just answer the question Eric if it was my video I would have answered Mahler's question so like your everyone has a standard that they use called this is a subjective one where you go this movie is something I like and I based that on how much I liked it that's all that is a standard so for me to say you don't have any standards if you tell me I just I don't know I just kind of like the movie and I based that on how much I enjoyed it I'd be like yeah that's fine but if you say I don't know I think the movie is very well crafted in terms of a film because I liked it I'd be like that's a non sequester someone said Georgie's trying to kill himself to escape this living hell yeah it's okay to think that a movie is well crafted because you like it but argument you can assume that because you like something it was probably well made like that's a reasonable assumption you can assume it but if you state it it's different against it but you couldn't yeah you shouldn't state state that definitively based on that evidence but if you can't show it I think it was probably like I'm all or if I were to say always addressing us if I was to mention like a movie in passing and say just oh uh I think it was probably quite good objective because I well I really liked it so I assume that means it's good and then I wasn't trying to make any real points about it I would say that would be fine I will agree with Arco that Georgie has the best arguments in this video consistently the best arguments Wolf and rags too oh I jumped ahead a little bit oh and rags ways to judge a film wait friend wait friend says you just don't have standards at all hi mauler and probably wolf and rags too if you're watching he didn't say hi to jay then I have a couple of film recommendations that I'd like to give you because oh god oh boy well I'd like to have a discussion about these things I do not want to do it exclusively in reference to the last Jedi I hope you understand yeah you can't win that one mate he said he's not exclusively implying that he would be willing to so first on the docket is a film called funny games any of you guys seen this no no never what do you think I've seen it and uh I thought it was all right but if you want me to see it again to have like a coherent thing to say about it I guess I could watch it again but um I've got nothing to say about it definitively right now I just what I remember is that it's like neighbors when two people are moving in I think chin out to like capture them and put the like arrest them into their house and then weird things happen but I that's my memory cut completely I'd have to watch the film again sure to to get the American version like usually remakes are worse but this is a director remaking his own work and actually improving on it in a lot of ways second is a film called sorry to bother you came out um I have not seen that I've never heard of it never heard of it last year now and the last film I'd like you to check out is called under the skin have you guys seen that I've never heard of it nope I've seen it and I really like it um but I can guess why he's chosen it it could be argued as an art house film or an artsy film that's all you need but I I got a couple artsy films for Eric well I was gonna say that does artsy mean cannot be quantified objectively in which I would disagree vehemently I have some I have objective arguments for why under the skin is good those last few film recommendations sir yeah no these are just recommendations we don't know why he's doing this but my assumption is that he's gonna enjoy trying to listen to me break these films down objectively perhaps I'm not sure but under the skin is more than possible and I quite like that movie it's a it's creepy and strange but it made sense yes I am in fact giving you homework but um if you want to you can you can give us some film recommendations too if you like we've already been doing homework for the past seven hours I would like to give you loads of film recommendations Teeth Black Panther Catwoman 2004 The Emoji Movie Teeth is genuinely the best movie ever made Bodemic and Bodemic too watch them out of order because it makes more sense that way what are some more amazing movies for them to watch I actually got three unironic examples um Pans Labyrinth The Grey and The Road three of my favorite movies ever I liked The Grey and I liked The Road I was gonna say I like all three of them but uh I mean legitimately if you want some movie recommendations for me the problem is like I I need to know the criteria am I just recommending a film I like or am I recommending a film that's supposed to assist in some form of an argument Thor the Dark World yeah Thor the Dark World I don't know think are underrated that we haven't seen that would help your points underrated that I think they may not have seen that would help my points The Last Jedi is all I need to prove my points The Post and St. Spirits of the Way in the chat is objectively correct um because the points it's a theoretical statement right so if my points work with The Last Jedi the idea is that they work within how movies function all that all the standards so there is no movie at can't apply to and you might be like well I just don't see how that could apply to and then names a movie and I'd be like so you need me to watch that movie and then have a conversation with you of how it would be broken down I guess and it's like I don't know that it's a do you know what I mean like it's like why would it be fair for me to do that for someone's just on the the assumption that they just want to understand how the system works when I'm trying to imply that you should be able to grasp it from just how broken down The Last Jedi so I don't know that it would ever be something you would grasp you know I mean it's kind of like a is not a useless endeavor for me um I'm happy to talk about movies with responsibilities something like that I'm happy to discuss movies with with Eric but um the criteria there that I need to pick one that'll prove my points whatever I'm like every movie works so I I'll just pick I'll watch yours I suppose but this is this is assuming they even want to talk to us which is a questionable thing considering I don't understand just I was going to say considering how this video is gone like how dreadful this is and how we felt about it so I don't know what's going to happen oh Jay I need to ask you something no no yes they should watch do you not do you not agree with me that they should watch they should watch what well no the problem is that they think it would be good because they have terrible opinions on everything Jay I need to ask you something how in the hell have you seen Spirited Away but you haven't seen literally anything else because it's one of my friends favorite childhood films and she recommended it to me Adam if you've seen Spirited Away but you haven't seen stand by me the Shawshank Redemption degree he needs to see um gladiator the last samurai do you know what I think the podcast is missing is more lists of films I haven't seen I think that um yeah should I should I pull up the the rest of the movies I have so that I can ask you more Eric okay the point is Eric you should watch God's Not Dead that's the one that it that is the one that's the one the only movie you need honestly it'll do stuff for your magic spirit all right um if I come on to EFAP I'm gonna turn this out oh oh oh sorry let's let's make sure we get the full quote here okay if I come on to EFAP and it turns out you haven't seen any of these uh I'm just gonna step right the fuck all right then you have to watch the gray the road in pairs and arrival I'm also gonna step out of rags is there I'm also gonna step out of rags is there that's what he said oh well as you're aware that they've now agreed so you could be here if you're silent and we're not taking that either yeah it's fucking retarded um tree rags like a human being please and you could be like you don't do that for us like why would we learn to live as I get yeah we we absolutely have after this video why would we have any inclination to yeah so the the standards will be uh you me and wolf will be the primary people talking and rags will cut it when he feels he wishes to but it's not like if you want it to be that it's you're addressing me and wolf specifically then rags can be here and rags can cut in if he feels like he has something relevant to say like that that would be our would you guys be okay with that I mean I'll be here and speak when I have something to say but that's I know this is ridiculous but rags will speak when he wants to speak if that's if that's unacceptable I don't know what to tell you yeah um then you need to grow up is what you need to why would you treat rags as a human being when he literally self that's true and the reason I self-identify is that it's because um I am one deep down on every level including physical please don't humanize rags don't humanize me how fucking dare you how dare you I will make the barking meme noises I swear to God I will because I still kind of liked his section so much more than rags because it's just that's not what we said and we still did that because it's he's got another section coming uh just clarification speaking of that that section it's coming up on an hour and a half since we said an hour ago we're gonna keep going or I'm gonna I want to nail this in one stream but I don't expect you guys to to stay obviously that would be applicable to Jay as well because I got up and I hopped on the stream so I need to eat and such I honestly have a headache after all of this it's all good what I will do is put out some feelers to see who can act as replacements I think we'll have at least another hour to go on this bring in Fring Daddy G if I um oh I'll go ahead and I'll just mute myself because when I'm done I can hop back in I just I can't I need to eat I gotta get something in me yeah maybe I'll do that too I really just need to eat and like stand up walk around because I I pretty much woke up and it's a nice toasty three degrees outside I can maybe stick my bald head in the snow and maybe that'll it looks like it will be das bo shit and smud boy potentially which are the two that came on together before oh chaseface is offering as well so that's three potential fill-ins um well I will I'll hop I'll leave the call I'll still be in the room though so you could always message me here okay okay and do you want to do this I'll just mute myself I was gonna say the thing is if we have a potential two or three people join it's gonna stack up the visual gotcha okay are you saying that visuals are more important than um the actual content yeah the content of our character yeah that's not a I don't consider you people are you a structuralist is that what you are my god Mauler and it is Martin Luther King junior day how dare you no it's not not for me it's gone now well it is in America the only country so it's only let me see what the time is I I can't believe it is fucking 8 52 p.m that's incorrect factually it's 9 52 for me oh boy it's 2 52 shut up counted uh B.J. what's your plans um well I literally had to um and this may sound confusing set an alarm to get up early for this dream despite the fact in my time zone it started at 8 p.m I can understand that uh but what what is your longevity expected to be I can essentially go as long as I need to since all right I literally don't need to sleep for a good 10 hours which means it'll be me J I I can't I don't want it to be five people so it's chase mud or death bullshit how do I choose pull names out of a hat chat chat if you want uh put the name change fight mud boy wait chase is one uh smud boy is two and death bullshit is three chat can vote and we'll go by what J thinks is there the the most by what J thinks is there the most I don't see a lot of gerunds that's that's just a lot of numbers man that is hard to figure out isn't it type j for jared I saw a lot of twos you can make a I'm just doing control after see what there is the best you know I can only do a straw poll yeah it'll take just a second to set one out that's the most threes I feel so inhumane doing this but I mean I can't think of any fair way to choose all right we've got a negative shot of spoken J for jared J for jared J so much of J okay wait J's already here Georgie all right um my offer is they can come on e-fat but only if you're there if jordie Georgie can be their third one uh fine okay so this is gonna work right yeah okay the poll is going well vote on the poll wolf god why do I have to vote put straw poll in description not chat that's a clever idea person who said that yeah because it's scrolling too fast for me to go there it is now in description once you scroll up once you scroll up it doesn't scroll anymore yeah you'll be fine once you do that and it'll only be for a moment so everybody vote on who you want in you can it's multiple choice I'm gonna vote for all three and then look at the results okay uh J before I leave um swiss army man no blades of glory no hand cock yes i robot yes napoleon dynamite no have you not I've already will smith films you haven't seen wanted to stop there are a lot of us with funds what about night crawler oh damn I mean I haven't I definitely haven't seen after earth that's that's okay that's okay that's racist uh galaxy quest yes the way way back no school of rock actually I love Jane have you seen um have you seen tombstone no no okay I like it too kingsman the secret service I have seen both of them fat boys no robin hood men and tights no the perfect storm no Cinderella man no being imagine no all right have you no jaws no the ring no shindler's list no the future wait what really that wasn't like required I mean I watched that bike in high school apparently no I had to watch the dead boat society I went to high school in Germany okay uh the fugitive uh no hook no cast away no you've already asked me that guys the vote all right so smud boy is absolutely in the lead but the other two are like neck and neck like literally one vote between them oh boy it's close they're both at 30% okay what you're gonna have to do is you're gonna have to say like all right in 20 seconds voting's done and then you just pause it and I'll just take a screenshot and then I'll let you know all right all right that's fair enough so we're close I'm gonna post it one more time we are closing the voting in 2019 the results on the screen 18 17 all right jay red dawn 15 19 14 the Truman Show 13 12 no oh my name's black that's really happen with us absolutely I've seen all 9 9 8 8 8 I think 7 7 6 7 5 5 4 oh no 3 10s labyrinth 2 2 1 no that's way off all right we have all right we have here are the results shut your pie hole all right so number one is smud boy with 184 votes number two no I don't have anything to beat oh I'm looking at it right now no it's a das bo shit is number two and he only won he has 150 he has 146 votes and he only won by four votes yeah and those two keep telling so um the consolation prize would be I'll totally bring a chase face on to an e-fap at some point in the future because I feel bad that he came so close but I just don't want to be too stacked up he's just sitting in bed right now like oh look at these crying I don't really want to come on tonight all right let me ask one more I'm so glad that the front person didn't get a really old jay when will the last one before I go all right my friend is asking me if you have seen no country for old men I have that's what I saw in school wait did you bring oh never mind I was about to say it's like you brought everybody after all hell yeah well see this is the thing once ragged a tonaled loke go we'll have four yeah we'll have four and it's just that if we bring in chase as well we'll have five and I don't know does everyone think that could work haven't that been something for his expectations to bring a bit we did five once and it was because doomcock was only available for a small amount of time but things got confused and scheduling and we had five people for like an hour I think right so I think we should bring on no bullshit no no it's my audio okay by the way I know we had a problem earlier oh it's a lot of people as a joke no I can't think of anyone else that is the link that you may require oh thank you well I shall be leaving very well said so thank you so much and I wanted to say thanks to rags but he's gone already so I'll just have to be in and later but uh thanks for hanging out for you know six hours and 41 minutes yeah so jay is going to beat that record the second you leave hey I was done that eight hour stream with that's true that's true also before the stream started I was I was here before you so oh yeah there's all these different tiebreaker things hey hey I'm the better friend he calls me for movies like three times a week well I don't have to come back to that I just said well exactly all right see ya noodles bye um Jay you're the overseer could we survive five people or not oh sure I don't I don't see why not jay that's not an overseer thing to say you have to be definitive um yeno god damn it yes like my guilt is getting to be I I kind of want Chase to be out just because the fact that he came so close that it's just I'm going to bring him in I'm going to say like that was a nail biter dude I'm gonna say bring his ass in we can't we can survive it but if it goes wrong then we can't okay during so so just just to be clear I'm all for this unless it goes badly unless it goes bad that makes sense I mean we had this number during the major leafing we did but it was a little bit chaotic like there was a bit of like everyone wants to speak on something it's tough with five I can talk to the boys hey you are very quiet my god how long I'm probably not gonna say a ton because I'm not intimately acquainted with Muller's original video but I will be here for psycho analysis can you boost the microphone all of his videos yeah you're very soft is this better that's slightly better find a way to fix it you're way too quiet because you're on 200 percent for me weird if I do it anymore I'll kind of be peaking is that okay go back down like just just slowly turn it while talking and then I'll tell you how to start I'm talking and I'm going a little bit down I'm going down incrementally and right there that should be good okay cool I'll just change it if I need to and then yeah so yeah that's fine that's the link we are 39 minutes into this debauchery what do you think of it people who have just arrived here so uh I guess go from left to right that's closure what do you think well um I'm actually surprised you still doing it because I was watching it like I came in late so I had to just kind of watch it as it was going and I was pretty sure by the time I was done that it was going to be over but we're still here it's pretty awesome but anyway on the subject of the actual videos yeah this is frustrating this is very frustrating and I love to be a part of this all right smell you next up oh geez I wanted to be in this from the start I actually messaged you as soon as I woke up I was like I gotta get into this because I saw you guys just streaming I was gonna be Thursday I was like what are you doing I actually missed that PM for a while and you saw it as of looking for extra guests because I never look at PMs once I've started streaming it's my it's my era but you've been watching it since it started have you oh well I took a break for for dinner and whatnot but geez it was I was like it was driving because I was rewatching it last night we were talking about it yesterday too I was like I'm gonna do a video about this and I kept listening to it's like no this is really specific to you and Rags I'm like oh I do this I'm gonna be like kind of defending you you don't need me to defend you you're totally fine doing it yourself and it would just be a waste really so that's why I wanted to go I've just been I've just been bickering with what was the name Jack on Twitter because the way he goes about his very smug points is just kind of embarrassing he was really digging in his feet and I was just trying to ask him okay why don't you want Rags to be there he's like because it wouldn't be even I said okay well are you saying that they wouldn't be respectful of you and that they would just like be a bunch of hype men as he put it and start like ragging on you upon intended and uh he just he just kept kind of repeating himself and I was just like well I don't really think it's a good look to just keep taking like these cheap immature potshots on Twitter like how does that make you look good just makes you look really fucking unreasonable plus the people who aren't watching they're probably missing a lot of context and wondering what the hell he's talking about well yeah this this stream is going to be for as a as a definitive take and you might be like oh they all it goes taking a 15 minute video into however long the sense of being I'll just be like well yeah people keep people keep falling back on the lazy oh his response video is going to be five hours like that's as easy as he would say that's not an argument yeah and it's like so um yeah that's also a problem because it's going to be like 12 if I think anyone who talks to him directly like anyone who uses objective observations and talks about objectivity versus subjectivity we're going to give him every reasonable doubt whatever he wants to say and we're going to evaluate his facts and that's it or anyone would do that rags would do that I would do that anyone here would yeah exactly I'm not interested in attacking him or anything like that I just think if you make a lazy video that misrepresent somebody I think it's fair to dispute that so if he's watching and he remembers me as the annoying cunt from Twitter Jack I don't hate you I just think you're really fucking annoying and uh I wanted to I really do want him to come on and talk to you guys because I genuinely think it would be a very enlightening exchange but he seems a hell bent on refusing you know after doing anything he can to avoid that for some reason which I suspect is because he thinks maybe he'll be humiliated on a live stream well this entire video this entire video one of the most aggravating things to watch like we saw another two hour video that someone made which the arguments were so bad and in the whole title of this video is that it's long and not deep like that's the exact example of something that's long and just not even worthwhile to watch so this kind of video is is like part truth and part misconstruing and out of context you just it's very aggravating that Mahler whomever made this long video to explain things in detail and to not derive any sort of meaning out of that is like are you are you listening to those words and then when they literally cut video clips out of context you're like okay now I know you're not listening to those words you're just saying this for the sake of arguments and that's not how you should form an argument that's not how you should talk to someone it's like if I was Mahler I'd be kind of like Jesus this is got to be addressed and well that's why I got the references ahead of time and it seems to have really dispelled it like showing the clips as they were originally and then showing what they came away with is telling as fuck and also you know you get to the point where it's really hard to say like so this was just an accident right they made a mistake it's like hmm I don't know if we generous to say it but I mean not out of the realm of possibility they had an editor if they had a third opinion or I don't know someone else who was like hey who actually liked your stuff and said and there were some guys in the comments who said hey this isn't a good this is probably the best attempt and I'm like yeah I guess it is but it's still pretty bad so um I mean it's a pity that Wolf and Rags on you to answer this question but it's just like is this better or worse than TRO's video and I probably be like I think it's worse um there's more misrepresentations in this than there is in the TRO one because TRO is banking on the space in Rags's responses to interpret so it's like he's actually going from the text and then using it while Quinton makes a couple of blatantly bad takes on something but then when they're being an outright lie while here like it feels to me that Jack has done his very best to find any way of cherry picking and straw manning like it's like he's classically trained in that if he had actual facts that you pointed that were false and he would attack you on that that'd be great that's that'd be a great example because you're not perfect there are flaws for sure but I didn't see any of those and you even admitted to the some of them it's like well why didn't you just attack those that would be totally fine and instead we have just so much just missile not to derail us but Jack was accusing people who were you know basically calling him a coward for just sort of tucking his tail between his legs and doing everything he could to not to join you in any sort of discussion he he said those people who are he's like is this one of the straw man I heard so much about and I was just like oh you're so smug you're so smug how is that anywhere straw man I don't get that well I don't know what can we assume about his take on what a straw man even is I don't know where he clearly doesn't understand a lot about him well even with the other gentlemen they weren't defining their terms again and they keep talking about how important themes are and you're like what is a theme please tell us so we can understand you and they never got to that it's as if it's universally assumed this nebulous term is just everyone knows the first definition is true what is it no defining terms this this is like two angles to it like to ignore the terms that I've defined and then to also not even give your own defined terms it's like they do both of those things regularly so it makes it really hard to understand what they're even trying to say yeah and I was I was in the comment section of the original video still typing I think you actually have to comment in one of the the comment chains to at least three other people and they're trying to tell me about formal logic and informal logic and they're trying to define logic it's like listen he uses logic do you understand the various flavors of logic because I don't I just know the one flavor and it's the one that A follows B and V follows C and therefore A is equal to C or you know basic stuff I was like well I teach logic it's like I don't care he's not trying to teach someone logic he's trying to explain what happens in a movie and why there's a problem that's all he's doing and it was just like this bizarre back and forth and then someone was talking about the climate change I'm like okay this is going into politics now it's bizarre these people who are trying to attack us or attack you specifically about objectivity when it's just yeah it's a tool we use it's very effective and we use it and we have facts and we look at the facts and we is million favor of clarity just so that we get to the point but when you argue a thing and I'm like is that just how you feel or is that natural thing anything like that is an actual thing okay cool I can actually check it yep exactly and they don't seem to enjoy that more than the visual experience like yep that's certainly part of the experience of watching a movie or reading a book there's there are visuals there are descriptions it's not the be all it's certainly a part but there's also dialogue there's there's narration there's all sorts of other things make sure the video is actually working for everybody is that can you see Eric right now yes we can yep beautiful weirdly the chat for me like it's working for stream because it's embedded but the chat for me is broken I can't actually see it's not working right now I'm waiting for it to update and my live dashboard on the other matter the monitor is just gone like it's a white screen on the browser neither of these things are reassuring but the fact that the stream is still functioning and everyone can hear you guys and the video still works I guess I can carry on and just hope that it fixes itself while we continue yeah chat's working and everything but don't worry about super chats folks they will still be I can still access them even if the live dashboard fucks up and we'll just do every one of them at the end and obviously anybody who wants to stay is welcome to stay for any of that and as for descriptions for channels that are people that are here I'll sort that all out at the very least in post but if I can I'll update the description I think when I updated with the straw pull it like killed the live dashboard I don't know why so yes that was that was just the additional section from Eric's accent oh sorry I must have skipped ahead to yeah okay if I come on to EFAP and it turns out you haven't seen any of these I'm just gonna step right the fuck back out sorry I'm also gonna step out of rags is there oh shit all of the most recent review of 2018's predator reboot is incidentally marked with all the same issues we've seen in the last Jedi review the Black Panther review and every other extended critique a tedious summary wavering between superficial digs at things you don't like because it makes you sigh and say what the fuck and literally just saying things that happen with no real reason to remark on it and I'm not fucking kidding here guys she ends up shooting herself with the tranquilizer in her own fucking foot god really a strong female character m