to worship him in spirit and in truth welcome to hope today I am your host Angela Madden along with Jay Gilbert and today I am excited for what we've got on the docket I am you know the first let me say this is the first time that you and I have been on air together yes it is so I'm glad to be representing with you me too and we are so glad that you have tuned in because you've tuned in for such a time as this is not an accident it's not a coincidence and I believe you're here because God has a message for you and we've got a phenomenal guest his name is Justin Davis and I tell you what he's got a great book called being real is greater than being right and we're going to get in on this book because you know what there's a lot of people out there that they don't understand the power of being transparent and that's what he talks about in the book transparency leads to transformation you know that's the whole thing with Adam and Eve in the garden they sinned instead of just opening up the fig leaves and allowing God to do some surgery they decided to get religious cut some fig leaves off and cover themselves up that's what you don't want to do but it's so important that we are transparent because that will really lead to God transforming our hearts I agree and I love that you brought that up Pastor Jay because I think one of the things I see in scripture over and over is with King David I'm always fascinated by God's comment on him of being a man after his own heart well what was it about King David King David was the first man since Adam and Eve who lived completely transparent before the Lord he was the one who said listen I'll be naked in the streets because I'll give my worship completely undignified before the Father there's nothing I'll conceal we read the Psalms Pastor Jay and we get his story of how he's broken and torn and distressed and seeing the wicked prospering and not understanding but unlike Adam and Eve he doesn't hide he in fact becomes vulnerable and shares that pain and that issue those questions with the Father it's critical vulnerability and transparency with God is critical to our development as believers and what happens in us Angela when we are transparent what transpires when we open ourselves up before the Lord everything I mean you finally get to be real with the Father so in your realness in your vulnerability you're no longer hiding the posture of your heart and you're coming out from behind the bushes like Adam and Eve and you're saying Father here I am he sees it in you anyways he already knows that it's there so once you communicate it is re-establishing relationship with the Father it says we can't be separated from the love of God right sin only separates well what is sin sin is the separation it is us going away hiding concealing staying from the presence of the Father and when we decide hey I'm not going to hide anymore I'm bringing that it changes my relationship with the Father and it allows me to show up as he's called me to in this earth preach girl preach hallelujah well if you're tired of trying to be someone you're not pretending that your life is perfect that you have it all together well we've got good gospel news for you no one is perfect and we all have flaws and struggles our next guest believes that being real is greater than being perfect that's the title of Justin Davis's new book and he joins us now to share how being real with ourselves with others and with God is the key to spiritual transformation Justin welcome to hope today hey thank you guys so much for having me I'm excited to be with you this today hey we're excited to have you and listen real quickly I want everyone to know not only do you have a book tell us real quickly about your podcast too because I got a chance to get in on that I don't listen to every podcast but what you and your wife are doing is extraordinary well thanks so much my wife and I have a ministry called refine us.org and it's really just an overflow of our story of our story of brokenness and and redemption but last year in 2022 we launched a new podcast called let's get real with Justin and Trisha Davis and basically our heart in the podcast is really to have honest conversations about life love and leadership and and so many of us we struggle with all of these issues and don't feel like we have anybody that can relate to us or maybe we're all alone or there's a sense of isolation or shame that we're carrying and so the hope of the podcast and and kind of dovetailing into the hope of the book is that people realize one you're not alone you're not crazy and God sees you and he longs for you to experience a transparent relationship with him hey man well you're not think that's so important that we are transparent that we are open people love that type of transparency and you're your wife you guys do not hold any punches you guys jump right into it and I love it and I think people love the fact that you're being real with them so let's get real right now why did you do the book why did how did the book come about yeah so really the book is is kind of a 10-year journey for me personally my wife and I wrote a book 10 years ago called beyond ordinary when a good marriage just isn't good enough and we that book is really an overflow of our own marriage story we were married we've been married for 28 years now but 10 years into our marriage our marriage imploded because we I was a pastor and we realized that we were really good ministry partners and we had become really toxic marriage partners and our marriage imploded due to infidelity I had an affair with my wife's best friend three years into a church plant and 10 years into marriage and we were separated for two and a half months we didn't talk for the first 10 days of our separation and God really began to break my heart in that season for my marriage but I didn't know if I was going to get a second chance and so I started going to counseling by myself initially and then 10 days into our separation my wife called me on my cell phone I tell people all the time if the prodigal son's dad would have had a cell phone this would have been a call he would have made and she said I hear you've been going to counseling and she said I'm willing to go with you and so we began to go to counseling we began to restore our marriage and and got out of ministry never thought God was ever going to use me again and I started working in the corporate world and did that for the next four years and then in 2009 I was we were given the opportunity to share our testimony for the very first time we had never shared it publicly and what God did is we share as we shared our story of you know brokenness and reconciliation it was super raw and we basically just cried the whole time but God really opened some doors for us to begin to share that story and what people began to ask is how how are you so authentic how are you so real how are you so transparent and so we began to travel and do marriage conferences and that's really the bulk of our ministry today as we go to different churches and you know 18 to 20 times a year and do marriage conferences but even at those conferences and church services people who were single or not married or maybe married again would say how did you experience the transformation how did you become different I've been trying so hard and so over the last 10 years Jay you know I've really had this burden to help people unlock this desire that we have for transformation and the frustration or the defeat that we have because we're trying so hard to please God we're trying so hard to be a better Christian and yet that transformation isn't coming and so the book really is hopefully kind of a map I take you on a on a guide a guided tour of how you can move from trying to be perfect or pretending to be perfect to actually experiencing authenticity so that you can have transformation we know the subtitle book is How Transparency Leads to Transformation and if you think about it as well being real instead of being perfect church people always want to put up a good facade that we that were perfect that we got it all together how important is it to be transparent to be vulnerable in order and let me ask this question two parts why is it important but how does it lead to transformation as well well I think that may ask a phenomenal question I think you know all of us our greatest desires that we would be known and our greatest fears that we won't be loved and so it's not that we're fake or that we pretend to be perfect or you know we're inauthentic because we want to be liars or we want to be inauthentic I think for many of us we want to be loved and accepted so desperately that we think if that person ever knew that about me they wouldn't love me and so on the altar of being accepted we compromise truth and you know the word intimacy means to be fully known and that God created you to be fully known by him right and that's you know you were talking earlier in the in the opening about Adam and Eve right that they were naked and they felt no shame well that described their physical appearance but it also described their emotional and their spiritual state before God God knew them fully and they felt fully comfortable right and so every time that you and I compromise truth in a relationship or truth in our relationship with God we have this desire to cover up we have this desire to hide not because we want to you know be inauthentic but because we're afraid either someone we love or God won't accept us and so really the the purpose of authenticity isn't just to share you know on Facebook all the sins that you've ever committed it's actually to free yourself up to be who God has created you to be through honesty and transparency and knowing that God only heals the parts of our heart that we're willing to give to him right he's not going to force himself into our salvation and he doesn't force himself into our transformation transformation is a daily decision to surrender to him. Let me ask you this question kind of a follow-up with that yeah I'm sure we've all heard the statement TMI what's too much Justin I mean when are we too vulnerable you know some people you meet them the first time they tell you everything about their life and I'm like I don't even know your name and you're telling me everything about your life what's the difference between being vulnerable and given too much information yeah I think we've all been in small groups with people like that right like they're like okay I don't know if there's small groups for me or not that's way too much oversharing there you know I think we're called I feel like to be authentic with everyone and transparent with a few right and so I think transparency or vulnerability happens best in the context of trust right you have to have a trusted relationship in order to be vulnerable otherwise you know a lot of people think that they're being authentic because they share all of their marriage problems on a Facebook post that's that's usually for attention or it's usually as a cry for help it's not necessarily because they want to change right or you know that overshare at small group true authenticity and true vulnerability happens when you are sharing your heart or a struggle or an insecurity with someone that you trust that can then speak life into you to help you either overcome that sin or get past that insecurity and so there's a there's a mutual respect in the context of true vulnerability I love that separation that you make there between authenticity and transparency my question for you would be you know you find yourself your your your marriage is on the fritz you don't know what's going to happen but you chose in that moment to turn to counseling to repeat what is it that you feel like was within you that made you choose that because I know many others who have gone the opposite direction from that what was it in that moment that said hey I've got to get this together you know Angela I was I was just having this conversation with someone you know looking back on the implosion of my marriage God gave me so many chances to be more vulnerable and more authentic before the implosion like there were people that he brought into my life their relationships that I had and I had this fear because I was a pastor if I admitted this struggle or if I admitted marriage problems then I was going to lose my job I was going to lose my vocation I was going to lose my calling and so that fear paralyzed me and I wish it did not take you know my separation and infidelity to bring me to rock bottom but in that course of that one of the things that I discovered is you know rock bottom is still solid surface to stand and you know it was through that process that I had to come to terms with sexual abuse that I had experienced as a kid that I'd never told anyone about so there was this broken part of me that broke when I was six years old that I'd been trying to fix on my own or trying to put the pieces back on my own and I never sought help for it I struggled with pornography for the first 10 years of our marriage and denied it and deflected it and preached against it and counseled people through it lied to my wife about it and it wasn't until I was able to admit those things and find freedom from those things that I was able to then change from those things you know one of the things my counselor said years ago is unconfessed sin always leads to repeated behavior and so it's this idea that as we confess our sins to God what is he he is faithful and just and will cleanse us of all unrighteousness right and so that power from the Holy Spirit comes as we admit something that God already knows about us right but it doesn't allow the power of that sin to reside in our heart and to begin to take root in our lives and our relationships. You know Justin in this book you know you have three different distinct sections of how we get rebuilt and I want to ask you you've talked about the infidelity you talked about the brokenness how would this book by being transparent rebuild somebody from a life of shame into a life of identity and wholeness? Yeah that's a great question I mean you don't have to the book isn't about infidelity I mentioned it a few times at the beginning of the book just to give context but really the the heart of the book is for the person who is going to church and singing the songs and you know praying the prayers and they're serving in the kids ministry because that's extra credit in heaven and they're just not getting the transformation that they thought they would get from a relationship with Christ their marriage is still hard they still struggle with the same sins and so what happens is either we feel defeated or we start pretending and so the the book really guides you on a path of identifying do you really want authenticity like there is a price to pay for it right like authenticity is difficult you know Jesus said the truth will set you free what he conveniently left out is sometimes it makes you miserable first so there is a price to pay with authenticity but then I kind of walk the reader through this process of moving from perfect to real and part of that is realizing that your brokenness isn't weakness that God shows up most powerfully in our brokenness right admitting brokenness makes room for the power of God and then I talk about being brutally honest with God and that those who were closest to Jesus had the most honest conversations with him and they recognize his deity and they you know they saw him as the Messiah and they they knew that he was the savior of the world but they were still vulnerable they were still honest and then that allows us then to step into our identity well you know we have a few minutes left and for those of you that are watching you want to get your hands on this book he actually has a story about being brutally honest when Taylor Swift actually comes to his church I'm not going to tell you about it because I want him to take some time right now and if you would Justin would you take a moment I believe there's some people right now that are watching that are suffering in silence maybe there's people battling with shame there's people battling with mistakes there's people battling with trying to be perfect give up a facade of what a perfect church person is like would you just minister to them and then pray for those that are trying to be perfect that they can become real and be transformed absolutely you know I think one of the one of the lies that shame tells us is that you're the only one and you'll never be any different right whatever you struggle with whatever you've done it is going to define you and can I just say that God knows you fully and he loves you anyway and that is grace right and there's a difference between conviction of sin which is the Holy Spirit saying hey the the path that you're on right now it's not God's best for you you need to go a different way that's conviction shame says your sin is who you are what you did is who you are and that is not from God and so I pray that you would take this this time today that you have watched this and heard us talk about this as God just seeing you and saying hey I got you and I love you and I have a plan for your life and I think that this is a divine appointment that God has brought you into this conversation today just to remind you your past does not define you right what Christ did on the cross is for you and that can give you freedom and life and joy as you are vulnerable with him so let me pray for each of you that are that are watching today and I hope that this has brought some encouragement to your heart and God we just thank you so much that Jesus was the most authentic human that ever lived he shows complete dependence on you and honesty with you he cries because his friends are sad he allows his true self to be known by us and God that you don't call us to pretend to be better than we really are you love us as we are and you long for us to become more like Christ and so for the person watching today that feels isolated or alone or are desperate just to experience some transformation God would you show up for them and allow them to know that that you see them you love them and you have chosen them it's in Jesus and we pray amen. Ladies and gentlemen Justin Davis being real is greater than being perfect a story of how transparency leads to transformation thank you Justin so much for your ministry for your wife as well and your podcast and all that you're doing thank you for joining us today on hope hope today. Thank you guys so much for having me. Well ladies and gentlemen if you've enjoyed that we've got a scripture and some time of ministry just for you we're gonna pour into your life so don't go anywhere we'll be right back. 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talking about it reads therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor for we are all members of one body pastor Jay I love this scripture and I think that even prior to this Paul's talking about unity in the body right being of the one spirit of one mind and I love how this scripture says to put off falsehood to show up because we are one body you know I think a lot of times within the bride and and different cultures and different relationships you have you can see kind of dissension and division simply because you're not being authentically you and they're not being authentically them so then you're trying to walk this awkward balance and delicacy where nothing real is actually transpiring and it's all very superficial I mean this scripture speaks to that it really does as a matter of fact one thing that he mentioned in the interview that I think is so important I know there's somebody watching right now that you need a place as you're watching you have a tear running down your cheek hoping that I wish I had somebody I could be real with and then there's some of you out there that you got TMI anointing you giving too much information all the time to everybody you talk about your marriage to every person you can't do that you know I think about this whole thing going on with Will and Jada Smith and how she's just putting all of his business he's masculating this man you know you're supposed to cover your spouse you're supposed to protect them you're supposed to do your best to cover them people don't want to be open with someone that they can't trust and I'm gonna share a quick story about vulnerability I'll never forget my pastor back in the early 2000s I was going through some really difficult times in ministry my church had split I was all by myself I didn't know what to do and I remember sitting in Applebee's in Olean New York south of Buffalo and it was the first pastor I'd ever had in my life and I sat down with him and I said listen I want to open my life up to you but I'm scared that if you know who I really am you'll leave me and I'll never forget Angela he's sitting there in the middle of Applebee's and he looks across at the table I mean he says listen you have one problem wherever you go you're stuck with me and everybody needs somebody that will say no matter what you do no matter not besides Jesus we need members of the body that will say you know what no matter what you do no matter where you go you're stuck with me I may not like what you're doing and I believe there's even people watching you may have you may be a parent you need your kids need to know that you love them no matter what you may not like everything that they do but you're going to love them no matter what we all need that place and I'll tell you what that pastor is still in my life today he knows everything about me you can't tell everybody everything but he knows every little intricate detail about my life and it was the most freeing thing to know that I have somebody not only knows everything about me but loved me in spite of myself yeah you know and I think you bring up a good point you have to have that person beside you you have to and maybe you know people look around they might say oh there's no one around me that I can trust like that pastor jay you are so blessed then show up and be that person for someone else yeah you'll find just like scripture tells us what you so you'll reap so if you don't see it around you make the decision that you're going to be that for someone who in your circle right now needs a confidant who in your circle needs someone that they can be real and vulnerable with tell them that they can you can be trusted they can come to you and be that person that you had jay you know I think too when you were sharing about the TMI anointing you know I love this I love that I think that's hilarious but there's a scripture that says Jesus trusted men but he didn't place his trust in them and I think that's the difference of being vulnerable and authentic and sharing too much is that you must first come to a resolution that I can trust men but my weight and my hope and my expectation is not in men it's in Jesus so if I pour out all that I've got if I pour out all the love in my life and in my heart and they don't reciprocate that's all right because it's not on them to do it's in Jesus and as you show up in that way pastor jay I feel like when your position like that with the Lord it makes authenticity and communication and transparency effortless it's just who you are because you're you're not waiting for their opinion to solidify who you are that's right that's right you know another pastor that Jesus mentioned as well he said that he did not commit himself to every man because he knew their hearts and I believe there's somebody watching as well that you've had people in your world that have betrayed your trust and you're saying pastor jay that's great I did that and they put my business all out on front street listen this is the reality find the heart of the person before you commit everything in your life trust them with something small give them something little hey this is something that if it did get out it ain't going to devastate me and see if they change their perspective of you see that's the thing Angela I need to know that if I share my heart with you that your assessed value of me is not going to shift because everybody can't do that and sometimes you share some people next and they don't want to be around you they don't want they don't want to be near you they disown you as a friend I shared that with my pastor my intricate details and intimate details with my pastor and he never changed his heart for me listen don't allow the devil to keep you into suffering in silence because you don't step out and take another chance take small steps let them earn your trust see if they pursue you and then if they do you can open up your whole heart to them and then you'll have a friend that is forever and I'm so thankful I've got a man of God that's looking over my life it's such good wisdom to take those little steps to give them a little bit like I think about the Israelites he brought them out little by little you know and if we can do that then we can really begin to place these people in our life and and see okay who can I trust the deep deep things with and and who are I can trust but they might just not be at that deep level yet you know we encourage you here we want you to experience the fullness of God we want you to experience life and life abundant just like he promised but these principles that pastor Jay was discussing even in our interview these principles that we're sharing with you are critical to experiencing that life abundant today will you take those small steps to be that person you want in your life will you take that small step to open yourself up to someone who is trustworthy and maybe today will you take that one step towards Jesus will you give your life to him will you surrender all that you have and all that you are so that he can be all that you need that's a good word and if you're battling any of those areas maybe you want to be a person that you can open yourself up to and say I'm going to welcome people in and be a person of healing or maybe a person that needs to open up if you're battling with any one of those and need prayer our phone lines are always open 24 7365 888 665 443 maybe you need to receive Jesus you want to open up your heart listen it's time to be real when you are transparent it truly will lead to transformation and listen we can be a blessing to one another even as others are a blessing to us we need one another and if we can be real and we can be authentic we can change lives forever for the honor and glory of God go get them today this is your moment


Hello, everyone. I want to start by congratulating everyone who took part in the challenge. You've all done amazing work as part of this initiative. I also want to specifically thank a few people who are here with us today. We've got David Walmsley from the Gold Globe of Mail, my colleague, our finance minister, Bill Mornow. And finally, thank you to Kilian Burts and Jim Leach for inviting me to join you at the Infrastructure Summit. The people in this room know that infrastructure projects are about more than just adding a new subway line, fixing an old bridge or buying houses or buses. For the people of Toronto, the Portland's Flood Protection Project means flood protection and a revitalized city space for generations to come. For parents living in Calgary, the green line means less time in traffic and more time at home. For the families of Gatineau, the extension of the bus will improve the quality of the air by reducing the number of cars on the roads. Infrastructure is about growing our communities. It's about making our towns and cities better places to live, not just today, but for generations to come. But in order to do all that nowadays, public and private sector investors have to modernize our approach to infrastructure planning. Our world is constantly evolving and the rapid pace of change is disrupting existing models. Some of our big cities have had their populations double and their boundaries expand. As a result, the demand for things like affordable housing and efficient transit remains high. Meanwhile, major advances in technology have completely changed the way governments and businesses respond to these changes effectively and efficiently. To meet demand, we have to constantly innovate and consider the bigger picture. This is exactly what you have done here at the top of infrastructure. Your presence and testimony of your commitment to transform the way we approach infrastructure and above all, to talk about it. And it's a very important discussion that we must have not only among members of the same circle, but also across the different sectors, with citizens, civil society and the stakeholders. We must involve as many people as possible in the discussion because we need diverse perspectives to better respond to the demand of citizens and achieve better results. To modernize infrastructure planning, our government adopted a challenge approach similar to the one featured here today. As part of the Smart Cities Challenge, the government of Canada invited communities across the country to develop an ambitious plan to improve the lives of their residents. Local businesses, innovators and entrepreneurs were asked to work across sectors to imagine creative solutions to the problems we're facing. The most promising designs will then receive funding to bring those ideas to life. Part of our infrastructure plan was to help move new projects forward more quickly and grow our communities now, not 10 years from now. And that's why we created the Canada Infrastructure Bank. The bank is a way for us to leverage private capital and help our dollars go further. At this point, I would like to salute Pierre Lavallé, President and Director of the Bank, Janice Fukukusa, President of the Bank and Jim Leach, Special Counsel at the Bank. We can applaud them. They've been working very, very hard. Thanks to their diverse skills and their knowledge of the field of investment and the sector, we are confident that they will make this new project a great success. And while we're off to an exciting start, we know that we need to keep up the momentum. The possibilities are endless when it comes to propelling ourselves towards the future, especially when you consider the latest technologies. Yesterday, I met with the Prime Minister of Estonia, who shared his country's experience with digital governance. They have harnessed the latest technology to promote transparency, empower citizens and improve government services. And this is just one example of the transformative power of technology. It can be applied to virtually anything, including infrastructure planning. But while we continue to innovate and to create, we can't lose sight of the very real impact these changes have on Canadians. Businesses and governments cannot neglect the responsibility they have towards the people who work for them or those who elect them. The Government of Canada made significant investments in skills training so Canadians can take on the jobs of tomorrow. This is a challenge faced by countries around the world. That's why we decided to make it a central focus of the upcoming G7 summit, which will take place next week in Charlevoix. The leaders will be called to innovate, to prove creativity, and to learn from each other. I would also like to add that the theme of equality of sex and the comparative analysis between sexes is integrated in the whole theme of activities and results of our presidency. Whether it be economic, employment or environment, the solutions formulated not only by G7 members, but by all the leaders of all sectors, must promote participation and women's autonomy. The infrastructure sector is not exception. The efforts are inscribed in our commitment to modernize the ways to do and promote our country to the future. I look around this room. I see people who share our government's ambition to make our towns and cities even better places to call home. Canada needs people like you who are ready and willing to innovate and seize new opportunities. So keep up the great work. Know that this government shares your enthusiasm for the future. Once again, thank you very much for inviting me here today to be part of this celebration cap-infra-can-infra-challenge. Merci beaucoup, mes amis. Thank you so much.


Hello, everyone. Welcome to a brand new episode of how to run on Zwift today. We're talking about the brand new calibration tool, the three-point calibration tool. Previously, you've just been able to calibrate your Zwift device on one point of calibration. So say you wanted to run at 10 kilometers an hour and you've got a milestone foot pod, you would calibrate your milestone foot pod at 10 kilometers an hour and that was it. If you went any faster, the milestone foot pod wouldn't generally be able to keep up. And if you went any slower than 10 kilometers an hour, often it was too fast. So we now have three points of calibration. So let's go and calibrate the new Zwift run pod, not the milestone pod, but the Zwift run pod. Let's calibrate that and see how we get on in the new calibration tool. So we'll click on menu here and then we'll go to the pairing screen and you can see on the pairing screen I do have the Zwift run pod already connected via the new direct connection, the new Bluetooth direct connection to Zwift on a PC. If you're running Zwift on an iOS device, then you've never worried about this, but people running Zwift on PCs, we're so happy to now have this direct Bluetooth connection. Anyway, back to the calibration tool. So we'll click on the little spanner and it says set your running speed at 10.1 kilometers an hour. You can see there are five points here, one, two, three, four, five. The last three are the actual calibration. So let's get going. Let's quickly calibrate this tool and see how we get on. So we click next and it says run at 10.1 kilometers an hour. So away we go. Let's set the my run treadmill to 10.1. Right, 10.1 is set and you can see it's 40 seconds now, not one minute. So the previous calibration tool, you just run for one minute, whereas now it's only 40 seconds. So 10 seconds to go. Remember, do not stop your treadmill after this because you will immediately be asked to move to the next calibration point, which is 8.6. So I've set the treadmill to 8.6 and we do another 40 seconds at this slower pace. So here we go again.  So another 40 seconds, calibrating at 11.6. OK, coming to the end. And there we are, success. So we'll stop the treadmill. We'll go and see how well the Zwift run pod now manages with the three point calibration tool all done. So let's click OK. And here we are on the London course. So OK, let's start. So all we're going to do now is speed up slowly and see how the Zwift run pod copes having been calibrated. Let's start with a gentle walk at six kilometers an hour. So the Zwift run pod is measuring slow, 4.7 kilometers an hour. That is actually quite slow, isn't it? It's gradually creeping up a little bit and now we've had a stop. Right, we probably need to speed up. Let's go to 8.6, which was our slowest calibration point. 8.4, 8.5. Let's go to 10.1, which was the medium calibration point right in the middle. I have found sometimes it does take a while to get up there. So let's leave it a minute or two, nine, 10. There we are. It's slowly getting there. 10.1, 10.2 going a bit fast now. All right, we'll probably be, we'll probably be happy with that. We'll live with that. Let's go up to 11.6, 10.7. That is not bad at all. So at the calibration points, it looks like we're not doing too badly. Let's drop back down again to 8.6 and see how that copes now. So this was our slowest calibration point. There we are. 8.5, 8.4, a little slow. Not, oh, there we are. OK, not bad. Right, let's go to nine, slightly faster getting there. So it does take a bit of time sometimes, doesn't it? So again, if you're doing interval training and say it's only a 200 meter interval, you're going to finish the interval before you've actually got to the right speed up to 10 again. Remember, we need to give it a bit of time. 9.7, 9.8, 9.9, let's hit 10. Come on, there we go. Now it might go to 10.4. That's all right. Look at that. 10. Good. OK, 11. Chewates a bit, but you would expect that from a foot pod. Right, now let's go up to 12, which is beyond the fastest calibration point. 12 is good. That's not bad at all. Let's try 13. So the My Run treadmill is set to 13 kilometres an hour. Let's see what this pod can do. It's not going to get up there, is it?  It's not going to get up there. Let's try 14. Right, we're at 14 kilometres an hour now. Give it a little bit longer, but it's not getting there. 13.7, 15. So this is 15 kilometres an hour now, but the Zwift Run pod is only measuring 14.2 or 3. Not even that. Let's go down to 8. My Run treadmill is at 8 kilometres an hour. And there we are back on track, just about 8 kilometres an hour. There we are. And let's drop down to 6 now. Walking pace. So we're walking at 6 kilometres an hour, and Zwift is saying 5.1. OK, still slow again. Way slow. It's been up to 6.5, 6.5 kilometres an hour. Right, it's not going anywhere, is it? OK, right. Had enough of that. Basically, you've got a decent idea of the situation. So what we're finding is it's a bit different to the milestone because with the milestone, if you go slower than the calibrated pace, then the milestone seems to be too fast, whereas the Zwift Run pod is different. It is too slow at both ends of the scale.  And if you go faster than the fastest calibrated speed, it's too slow. But within the calibrated speed points, so we've got three points of calibration, remember, within those points, it does very well indeed. So 8.6 all the way up to 11.6. You've calibrated between those points. That's fine, and you will get a pretty decent result out of your Zwift Run pod between those two points. Anything beyond those points, and it's not going to function as well as you would like. Zwift have said they would like to increase the number of calibration points to eight. Again, that would probably improve things immensely. But for now, three calibration points is better than one calibration point, and it means your Zwift Run pod will function better than the milestone foot pod and better than when it's uncalibrated. That's it, that's a review of the new three-point calibration tool on Zwift. Hope to see you again for another episode of How to Run on Zwift. Very soon, take care, bye-bye.


Go, extracting the signal from the noise, it's theCUBE. Covering VMworld 2015. Brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem sponsors. Now your hosts, John Furrier and Dave Vellante. Okay, welcome back everyone. We are here live in San Francisco at Moscone North, the main lobby before the keynotes. This is SiliconANGLE Media's theCUBE where Wikibon and SiliconANGLE team up together to put on theCUBE where our flagship program. We go out to the events and extract the civil noise. There's 60 year here at VMworld. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE. I'm John McCos, Dave Vellante, founder of Wikibon.com. Our next guest is D Raj Pandey, CEO of Newtonix. A CUBE alum has been here many times, growing startup. We interviewed D Raj when you were just a small startup kind of making its way through the ecosystem. Now you guys are blowing it out, great revenue. Congratulations. I'm sure IPO's on the horizon soon. Great to see you. Thank you, all is a pleasure. One of the things I love chatting with you about is the disruption. You guys have always been unconventional even when you started the company. And we talked about that on theCUBE. And I want to get your perspective now that you guys are doing very well in the marketplace with your product and your offering. Big name accounts, obviously funding has been phenomenal. Growth is there. What's the dynamic right now in the market? I'll see hybrid cloud is what people are talking about. Still elusive in terms of the definition. What is the transformational disruptor right now? What's happening from a customer standpoint? What are they looking at right now? What is the pattern? What is the real trend that you're seeing that's disrupting the market? You know, the biggest one that drives us and the reason why it drives us is because that's what's happening in the market is around products that just work. And when I say products that just work, it's about ease of use. It's bringing the consumer experience into the enterprise. And it's happening in a big way. In fact, the new metaphor for the enterprise is Uber and Amazon and Apple and so on. I think that is basically going to be the biggest bastion to be captured. And the big companies are actually sucking wind there because you need new design points. You need to be fresh. You need to be having an empty canvas where you start to design things. The innovative dilemma that actually comes to the big companies is what do you do with all that you have? And how do you leave that and really start on an empty canvas? We're seeing a lot of conversation around this innovation strategy. Certainly the big vendors, EMC, VMware, they're all talking about an HP, IBM, Uber, Netflix, kind of teasing out the cloud native perspective. Cloud, obviously the disruptor, DevOps, cloud native.  One, and two, what is the innovation strategy that customers are taking? What are you seeing on that specific thing, this innovation strategy around cloud native and DevOps? I think the biggest strategy that customers have, at least in the last three, four years that we've observed is that they're starting small and they're willing to take risks as opposed to buying big machines. I think that's one big change, which means they're doing more projects and they're letting the people go and experiment more frequently than having to really do a waterfall-based project as opposed to agile methodologies, which, you know, go and experiment if you have to. And for that, everything must change, all the way from infrastructure to middleware to the way people build apps to collaboration, crowdsourcing, offshoring outsourcing, I mean, everything, including the idea of social collaboration with Slack and Yammer. I think that's what we see in the marketplace out there. Cloud native is a means to an end. I don't think it's an end in itself. In fact, I disagree with those who believe that the value will move from infrastructure software into the cloud native app itself, because now you're basically saying that 95% of the developers, who actually are Ruby developers and Python developers and, you know, .NET C-sharp developers, they should understand, you know, issues of consistency, availability, network partitioning. There's a lot of profound topics in distributed systems that a lot of these people don't appreciate. So it must be pushed down into a common layer. You know, to bring the elegant separation of concern that's required between software developers, those who understand a lot of these issues around reliability, availability, performance, distribution of data, replication, things like that, and those who understand business logic, you know, who are good at writing tons of business logic and mixing and matching services. So I don't know if cloud native really means infrastructure software goes away. If anything, it's more of infrastructure software to really go and solve for some of these issues around business continuity, data protection, for MongoDB, for Cassandra, for Apache Storm, and things like that, you know. So, I mean, I think we believe it's a big opportunity. CNA is a big opportunity. You're saying underlying infrastructure still matters. It just becomes simpler to those who use it. Consume, actually, yeah, to consume, yeah. And it's programmatic. Absolutely, it's API-driven. No, we've had you, D. Raj, we've had you on now for several years. When you're just getting started, you obviously focused on the VMware partner, plugging into the ecosystem. That's evolving. Last year we saw Evil Rail announced, and we said, what do you think? And you said, well, confirmation of what we're doing. So, that's great. Seem very calm. At .next, your conference in June, down in Florida. Great conference. Congratulations, huge. You know, we were there. Thank you. And covered it. It was very exciting. So, it's amazing to see how things have evolved. Give us the update on your strategy and talk a little bit about the reception to Acropolis, which is essentially this heterogeneous management platform more beyond hyper-converged infrastructure. Yeah. So, let's start with the second question first. You know, four years ago, people said you can't consume storage like this. Because, you know, storage is a separate box. It will always stay the separate box. This is a science project. You guys, just because Hadoop could do it, and just because Amazon and Facebook and Google do it, doesn't mean the enterprise will. Think four years fast forward, you now realize HCI is actually a term that VMware and every large company is actually talking about. Acropolis is now the next step in that same direction. We said we have very successfully made storage invisible. And now it's time to make virtualization invisible. So, we're not really trying to come up with a new hypervisor that competes with ESX or Hyper-V. We're saying how would we embrace it, subsume it, made it transparent, made it somewhat to the point where application folks can manage all of infrastructure. Like if you go to a Splunk guy, or if you go to an Epic guy, they don't know what VMware means. Right, I mean, people talk about all these NFV transformations that are going to happen in the telcos and so on. A lot of these App guys, they don't understand infrastructure. So, you've got to make the hypervisor really, really simple. You know, similar to what people said about lunch with storage, you know, back in the day and how we got rid of lunch, I think we have to get rid of a lot of abstractions that are very prevalent in the virtualization world. I mean, Amazon doesn't talk about hypervisor that much. You know, it's basically AMIs and you don't pay for it separately.  Hypervisor is basically a means to an end as opposed to an end in itself. So, Acropolis, the focus is to really, you know, take it away from underlying infrastructure and take it back to the app itself so that the app owners can really deal with something that's invisible. And two things matter there. Obviously, the hypervisor is an important technology but it should just work out of the box. You shouldn't have to pay for it separately. And lastly, I think we need to work on the V motion of the next decade, you know. This is basically the metaphor that I use that what VMware did 10 years ago, 15 years ago, was to really move applications or operating systems across hardware, two different motherboards. But they didn't have to deal with storage in the backend because it was still in the same private data center. Now, if you do this at a higher level, if you up level the notion of the motion across VMware, to Hyper-V, to Amazon, to Azure, back into Acropolis and so on, you need the drag and drop as the new design point. And that's what we're working on in this thing.  Pat Gelsinger recently said we've committed ourselves to a heterogeneous management strategy which allows us to be managing in multi-cloud environments both on and off-premises, including AWS and Microsoft Azure. At the top of the segment, we talked about the fragmentation that's occurring. So fundamentally, you've recognized that. That's a part of your strategy. Do you feel like VMware is delivering on that or can deliver on that? Look, it's all software and companies do go and reinvent as well. So, the proof will be in the pudding in the next three years. What's important to realize is, again, can VMware really abandon vCenter? And can they abandon the scaled-up SQL-based application that they've actually built as of 15 years ago, where the design point was actually Microsoft admins. 15 years ago, they were saying, how do we make it such that VMware ESX is seamless for the Microsoft guy or gal? And they copied pretty much every design point of Microsoft, SCVMM, and back then it was called Microsoft Management Console MMC. So what you see in vCenter today is basically a design point of the 15 years ago. The left pane, the right click, the tree structures, the accordions, the drill down, the middle pane, the bottom pane, and so on. And the application is SQL-based, so it's not a distributed app. It's not really based on NoSQL. It runs on a single large Oracle or single large SQL server with basically a Singleton middleware and so on. So I think all that has to be sort of disrupted. And I can go back to this empty canvas. The question is VMware has 600,000 customers, and they have to maintain those customers, and keep them happy. And at the same time, they have to think about this new decade. So being able to balance the two is where the real execution of goodness will actually go. So if I can interpret what you just said, you said maybe they can do it, but the economics are going to be difficult and the innovation, speed of innovation is going to be difficult. And my next question was, where do you come in? And that's where you come in, I'm presuming. Yeah. I mean, as you said, we're also becoming a large company, and we will probably suffer from the same kind of things over time. We can't keep saying we are small and small and small. When we go to the large guys, they are like, how big are you? Because they all expect to work with companies that are largest, so we're trying to always become a large company. Now if you look at Prism, which has been our design point from day one, we were the only company, and I'm going to reiterate this, we're the only company that said we'll never put our user experience inside the vSphere UI, only company. Everybody was bending our backwards, they will actually put it in vCenter at the tab, and the moment you are a tab inside vSphere GUI, you're basically adjunct to what the true nature of consumer-based design really is, you know. And we've never lost a deal. I think we always use the APIs, so we have back-end integration of vCenter database through APIs and services. So why is that? Because this speaks to the consumption. Making things invisible, first of all, it's a good strategy, right? Making storage invisible, making virtualization invisible, always a good strategy from a competitive standpoint, because it takes away complexity. That's the logic, I see that. But why the consumption? You took a risk there, it paid off. Talk about that consumption of how the enterprises are consuming infrastructure, and why did you guys hit that nerve there? I think the most important thing to us was that the consumer, the end user, is king. They're the ones who actually drive consumption. And if you were to really think about the end user, they're going through a big transformation in their personal lives. I mean, you know, John is wearing an Apple iWatch, and a lot of practitioners in the data center infrastructure space, they wear an iWatch, they have an iPhone, an Android phone, they have an iPad. I mean, they use Uber, they use Amazon for pay for one click and so on. That same experience had to come into the enterprise, you know. And that has been our biggest bet and our biggest push from day one, which required an empty canvas. We could not have gone inside this environment of vSphere UI and said, can we recreate that? So I got to ask you about the innovation strategy of VMware, Visa V, the marketplace. And I want you to bring in the entrepreneurial perspective because VMware's out there, the boat that's kind of out there and the winds are shifting and we don't know which way the sales are going to be put up for them. So we're going to watch that. Moreover, the startups are pretty much out there. Big ones are funded. You've been an entrepreneur out there when you started your company. What's going on in the startup ecosystem? What are you seeing? And what does it take these days to be successful in the enterprise as an entrepreneur? I think the biggest thing that Microsoft did when Satya came on board is to get rid of the strategy tax. He said, there is no platform. There's no such thing as a platform. And that is the biggest, I would say, weakness of large companies when success gets into your head. And you now say, we are a platform company and all we do is about our own stack. It's one stack and one stack for all. What Microsoft did was disruptive and very innovative. They said, we'll go and deliver apps for iOS first and then Windows, you know, a phone if you have to. I think that's probably the biggest thing that customers are actually demanding for. Don't come here and treat me like I'm locked in because there's a lot of disruption going on. The internet in the last 10 years, social media, I mean, basically, there's so much more awareness about new products that people are willing to give the new things a try. And you know, the logistics of shipping and getting things up and running and drag and drop of applications from the old stack to the new stack, all that's happening. So customers are saying, I want to innovate because I'm also going to be disrupted. I mean, if you think of JPMC as a bank, they could be disrupted by payment companies because more than half of what they do is actually payments. In the old days, it used to be, okay, enterprises wouldn't buy from startups. Now they are buying from startups, as you're saying. Why is that? Is it more because it's a little more lightweight? Is it less risk? Or is it more risky or not to buy from startups? Or is it because people need banking and not banks and there's a realization of that? All of them actually, but it's all of them. But the most important one is there's more awareness. The world is shrunk. I mean, about 35% of our business is international. And this was unthinkable in the day and age, like 10 years ago when there was hardly any Twitter or social media or internet being used around the world. People said that the biggest bastion for large companies is awareness and marketing and brand and so on. You can build brands faster now than you could do. Okay, so what's your advice to startups out there that want to get into business or have cash from, say, venture caps or angel investment? What's your advice now in today's market vis-a-vis when you started Newtonics? When you weren't getting a lot of love at the time because you were looking like you didn't fit the pattern. But now I see you guys proving them wrong, which is great, which is why we love your story. But today, what's the challenges, what's the opportunities for startups? I think the biggest opportunity is, and I'll go back to two of my favorite terms, distributed systems, build software that actually runs on multiple machines, provide the facade of a single system, reduce friction. I think the one, the word that I really like is, figure out how your product will reduce friction. Now, it sounds very cliched, but the ones that do the best job of reducing friction, not just in terms of using the product, but in the channel. Download, you know, how easy it is to download it, how easy it is to transact with it, how easy it is to buy it, all those things are sometimes considered to be, you know, things that people will take care of later on. You do it right then. And founders have to be product managers, and I can't emphasize that enough that you can delegate product management to folks out there. So be a product CEO. Product CEO, I think you know that, because then you're paranoid, you're constantly thinking about the winds of change that are ahead of you. And I mean, look at Nutanix, every two to three years we've disrupted ourselves. Like when we signed the Dell agreement, we said we'll disrupt ourselves. When we came out to the new hyperbiter, we said we'll disrupt ourselves. So I think that paranoia is more healthy and more natural. So the new coin term we'll have on theCUBE here is be an agile venture. Be iterative, iterate always. It's a DevOps mindset. Okay, I got to ask you a question I'm asking everybody this week. What is hybrid cloud? Does it exist? Is it an outcome? Is it a product, is it a category? I mean, it's obviously public, private, we see that. On-premise has been around for IT and computing started. But now private cloud and public cloud. What is hybrid? Does it exist? Is it elusive? What's your take on this? Well, I mean, if you take a step back and look at automobiles, I'm sure you rent cars all the time. You take Uber all the time. You own a car as well, right? I'm lucky, yeah. And sometimes you lease one if you have to kind of just recycle them every two years or something, right? So there's a whole continuum of consumption. Starts with a one hour Uber to probably a one day Hertz to probably a two year lease to finally owning cars as well. And it all depends on your footprint. If you have a large family, you would not lease an SUV because it's too expensive. Rather buy one and keep it for a few years and so on. Same thing is true for housing.  As your footprint grows, you need school districts and soccer playgrounds and so on. You'd actually move to Suburbia with a bigger house and you own one, right? And before that, you're going to Hawaii for three days, you will actually go to a hotel. But if you go to Hawaii for six months, you will lease an apartment. So there's a whole continuum of housing as well. Starts with a one hour. So yes or no? Yeah, so computing is going to go through its own continuum as well. And I think today people are actually looking at, wow, you can rent computing. Amazon is showing the way. But for things that actually are predictable and stable and somewhat plateaued, people are not rented. So if I hear you correctly, you're saying essentially there's a continuum of different definitions of what cloud is and computing. So hybrid cloud would be a mindset or a philosophy. It's like distributed computing. You don't buy that. You deploy it. Exactly. Now the biggest thing there is how quickly can you move things around? And that's where app mobility comes in. If you think of what DevOps is talking about containers these days, containers is solving 10% of the problem because the software that goes with an app is probably 10% of the state of the app. There's data, which is storage. There is networking, there's security. There's a ton of things that need to move around. Once we get true app mobility is when hybrid will be real. Until then, it's actually a pipe dream. Okay, so pretend you're not the CEO of Nutanis. Put your industry expertise hat on. If you were the CEO of VMware, what would you be doing right now? I think I'd be figuring out who my top 10 innovators are who are not following, whether it's Amazon or HCI or whatever else, who are leading in terms of thought leadership and are willing to actually start on an empty canvas. It's gonna go back to what's the design point of computing of the next 10 years and the design point of computing of the next 10 years probably has some to do with the last 10 years but it should really be an empty canvas and I think knowing those top 10 innovators not mouthpieces. I think one thing that's very important for large companies realize is that mouthpieces don't build anything. Evangelism, PR, that kind of thing. Talk about substantive development. Exactly. Product leadership, technology leadership. And finding the CTO who engineers, respect and so on. I think those are the kind of things and I've heard about for new development so hopefully it's all in good direction but knowing that there is somebody that engineers will look up to is probably the biggest. I mean it's great news you see Steve Herrod giving a keynote this year last year. He didn't because he moved to the dark side as a VC so you're seeing some light there. Hopefully we'll see more this week. So I've got to ask you a final question. What's your take of VMworld this year? Obviously we're just kicking off here inside the cube in Moscone North. What do you expect to see? What is this show about this year? From your perspective as the CEO of Nutanus and as an entrepreneur, what's going on around the VMworld ecosystem this week? What's the main theme? What do you expect to see? You know I was expecting more DevOps and containers and you know things like that but I still see a lot of storage, a lot of storage. Just like last year, two years ago, three years ago. I mean storage is a killer app. I mean I go back to the last three years of VMware actually coining the term SDDC and that has been hijacked by HCI. The biggest reason is because storage actually is the killer app for a lot of these things. So although I was expecting more in terms of containers and cloud, I'm seeing a lot of storage out there. Okay so are we, final, final question. I guess I go with my final, final question. Are we in a bubble? And if so, is it a big bubble? Is the enterprise softening the blow? It was obviously the consumer side, 50 billion dollars for Uber. I mean I'm a big fan of Uber, throwing up a lot of cash, Airbnb. Obviously on the consumer side we're seeing some, might see some dead unicorns as it's been kicked around in the market. No, we're seeing a unicorn bubble. Is it a bubble? What is the state of today's market? Obviously the private equity markets are hot right now, not a lot of trading. Public markets seem to be good valuations. What's your take on this whole bubble? Yeah so if you look at 99, 2000 and give it a score of let's say a thousand, let's say give it a score of 1,000. At the size of the bubble, today we are at 50 or 75 or something like that. You know I think there is a bubble but it's much smaller than what it was back in 2000 so on the relative scale. Now what is different? I think the internet is pervasive, mobile is pervasive, the cloud is pervasive so definitely people are being able to innovate much faster than back in 15 years ago in the year 2000 itself. But if you look at the enterprise, I don't see a huge bubble. I mean anybody who's a unicorn today is probably getting multiples of six to 10x of next year which is not very different than what the public market actually values company that. In the consumer space there is a bigger bubble but I think it's still not as big as what it was 15 years ago. And it's path to profitability. Yeah absolutely. And I think a lot of companies are acquisitive. I mean you could see Facebook doing 20 billion dollars worth of acquisitions. I think you'll see many more coming from Google and Apple and others as well. All right D.Roch, thanks for spending some time on theCUBE. This is Silicon Angles theCUBE. We go out to the events, extract the Silicon Noise, our show here. We got our new director set here in Moscone North, live in San Francisco. I'm John Furrier with Dave Vellante. It's theCUBE. We'll be right back with more after this short break. Thank you. Pleasure. Cool. Nice job. Thank you. Kicking off the show. Big audience. Nice. That's gonna be the house CEO. I love it.