orts of experiences And they're really not really ever in any way And I wonder if he gets caught up in that mantra Which is why he's using uncharted 2 as a He's trying to use it as an example for something that had already been around for years and years It's just there's an interesting Conversation to be had but Yeah, you know, it is kind of funny how I mean, I like some of the playstation exclusives like god of war uncharted um But a lot of them are so overhyped for being such lousy mediocre games or in some cases awful ones Like until the one Oh god, that's just one of like 50 examples. How about the order? Oh the order 60. Yeah Yeah, remember when everyone was like that game's gonna be the greatest playstation exclusive It's like this is what happens every time Playstation gamers like seem to think that They have like these amazing cutting edge games and it's like no It's almost a blood board. The only thing I'd say about that is just the frame rate. Uh, you mean like poor man's dark souls. Sure Poor man. What do you mean? You haven't played dark souls or blood board, have you? What do you mean? Have I played you can look at my steam profile. I was playing dark I don't regularly look at your steam. I have feel like you have steam I do I'm looking at it right now. Let's let me see how much I On dark souls one 52 hours dark souls three 82 hours. I try to play the good dark souls I have I just said I had 52 hours on the first one. What about the second one the good one? Oh, right I got three minutes three minutes. Well, that's That's not quite enough to appreciate its glory. So Oh, sure. But yeah, the the frame rate for blood born is like I can't play it. It hurts my eyes But even then it's just even if the frame rate was good I'd be careful This is dark souls blood born fans are very very thirsty.  I agree with everything you just said that's my coverage of that Keep the gameplay moving as technology moves forward gameplay and interface iteration become more developed interface iteration And what does he mean by conventional? The boundaries of conventional gaming all the walls kept tumbling down Does it mean because vr you don't have to use a controller anymore? What does he mean by that? Conventional gaming should just be the response to everything downward thrust. What does he mean by that? How do you think uh downward thrust would react to the game and her? What do you mean? What do you like what could even say about that like? Yeah, do you think he'd like enjoy it or think it was like one video he'd be like This game is the greatest game ever. He would have to check what everyone said first about the game And then the next video when people call him out.   It's it's good now Iteration become more developed and the boundaries for conventional gaming can break down Better save states shield us from having to look at I think I think he means checkpoints, right? by what When he said better save states Is that what he means? I would like to think so because I would say checkpoints Hey, he he's trying to sound cool. I don't know because save states and checkpoints you'd agree, right?  It's like but save states and checkpoints They're not it's like it's like me going like this game doesn't have graphics and you go Do you mean models and I go yeah a save state to me implies that you are currently in a position in the game where you are allowed to save Yeah, it's like an active thing like the save points and like that space Is this like not in I feel like an alien right now save state like Maybe it's because I play too much emulators save state means like You have a state of the game in which has been saved that you can load up Yeah, so you'd like hit f5 in a lot of games to save loads.  I'll go back a bit You don't want to cut tonal data context in the boundaries for conventional gaming can break down Better save states shield us from having to lament over painfully long sections of traditional role playing They save us from having to lament As the way he says it they save us from having to lament lament Do you think that was like his first take like that was the first time he'd ever seen that word and he was like sounding Like lament lament He says it's a robot. He's like, how do you pronounce lament? Are they like this is the correct turn in I cannot experience the emotion of lamentation Let me let me get super pedantic for a second. She actually better say tomatoes shield us from having to lament over painfully Lament he's like it's like an ice cream flavor is how he's saying it.      I guess they wouldn't be able to say that these days Yeah, they got to apologize for a poo for like 20 years ago. So That's have they still is he still in the show now, or did they get rid of him? I don't know. I haven't watched the show since it started getting bad like five years ago Show talented successful minorities.   Let's go back to the mighty faggot In the boundaries for conventional gaming can break down Better save states shield us from having to lament over painfully long sections of traditional role playing games Improved interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from inter improved interfaces Can help with like lower loading screens. I don't know if that's true, is it? I don't know what the interface has to do with the loading screen Why do you make so complicated when you just say like better loading better optimization is pretty much what he's talking about as a whole isn't it if I was going to try and make his point because this point will actually pop up my fallout review Is that there is no option to directly Use an item from the environment You have to pick it up and then go into your inventory Which is the interface and then use it from there instead of just directly using it from where you found it to pick it up How bloated complicated and sane does a user interface have to be to actually affect loading times?  Sorry. I don't even know what he's trying to say anymore I need to written out again, but I don't want to do that again No, it's this smaller resist. Just accept it return it. I'm gonna give it another shot I'm genuine. I'm really trying to listen this time over painfully long sections of traditional role-playing games Improved interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from improved interfaces allows The interface doesn't affect anything unless the interface is like the worst thing ever made Yeah, the interface can save time based off of its design, but not in loading screens It's a loading time access environment performing actions You can't bring up the interface in a loading screen You can't do anything on a loading screen except for like certain games like assassin's creed where you can run around and shit What are you talking about? That's what that's kind of what watching a tonal loke video is It's it's it's an assassin's creed loading screen where you can run and run and run and run forever But you never get anywhere I just like the idea that like uh guys We're gonna release assassin's creed as soon as you guys can get the loading screens down So if you want to just take some of the uh bits out of the interface That should help out And then you could take some of the bits out of the interface put them into the loading screen So they'll go faster and then like what about if we just you know unload all the areas you've passed and lock doors behind them? They go no, no, no, it's the interface. That's typically what takes the most struggle Someone said I demand improved interface What you could help are smaller so the load screen is faster Like I don't I don't understand anymore like I'm trying to understand what he's saying But it's just it's like what what the what the fuck? just Wait, so someone said it doesn't matter whether it's bloated or not It's about how many times it updates so if the health bar is updating on every tick you'll use far more memory and so far That's what I mean by bloated So like every single kind of resource detection is on screen And constantly being updated that might affect loading screens, but I didn't even know that it would because that would be It would affect performance in game, right? Because it's reacting to the actual things that are in the game already rather than loading them all up Yeah, I I I also got what bothers me right now.  It's like it's like he makes a blanket. It's not even optimum It's it's not even optimalization in the in a gameplay sense, which is what the interface is tied to He specifically said loading screen. Yeah. Oh my god. Oh, it's so dumb. It's dumber than I imagined it Correct.  You're just like what is this? Rabbit hole that we're running down better safe. Thanks. Explain what he means. What did he mean? Over painfully long sections of traditional role-playing games Improved interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from interface to gameplay Oh wait, also transition from interface to gameplay. What does he mean by that like menus also wouldn't if you're playing on a pc The the loading doesn't matter if you have a good rig, right? Well an ssd can yeah, they could reduce loading times. Yeah That's I think he's talking console specific. I don't know. I don't know There's a place to be made that interfaces have improved the gameplay experience, but he doesn't give any examples Yes Yeah, and and he's playing this honor that could be on the pc or or are on the console, right? Yeah, so I don't What are you trying to say?  Oh really? So that's cool Interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from interface to gameplay And creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals Creativity has allowed the passage of time Already i'm like, whoa, where are you going with that statement? Creativity has allowed the passage. Yeah, I had to hear it again Tonewood Locke And transitions from interface to gameplay and creativity has allowed the passage of time To bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals.  Creativity has allowed the passage of time Someone's coming quick hide in the a bunch of nazis like we have found the temple of tonad loke We have found the temple. Ah, there is the monument in the obelisk quick. Grab it and bring it to the truck This is just shown face.  I've got the first half of it Yeah, creativity has allowed the passage of time interface to gameplay And creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals We no longer have to wait on our games for the most part or agonize over faulty stone age gameplay So tone we gotta think about your sentence Okay, all right to bring you an interesting iteration. This is allowed for shorter waiting periods No, who did that loading screens and transitions? Oh, you want to listen to it again? Do you? Yeah, okay go from interface to gameplay And creativity has allowed the passage of time To bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals We no longer have to wait on our game. I think yeah, that should be enough. Okay. I got it. Okay creativity has Creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our gaming fundamentals So that is what the ancient inscription of al-habam says Like it's a bad translation of an old text You can't do it in the together, but Creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals What I think he's trying to say Is that as time has gone on we've managed to improve what was fundamentally awesome about games before something like that But the way that he has said this So creativity itself as a concept has allowed the passage of time So the passage of time has committed to this action that comes after this because of creativity The passage of time has brought new and interesting iterations on gaming fundamentals because of creative. I think he's just backwards Okay, here's here's so many. Don't have to pass the time theme delete it. It doesn't need to exist. That's true But you could have said the passage of time has allowed creativity to do new and interesting iterations on familiar gaming fundamentals to be improved Would be my first draft off the top of my damn head That sentence and then I would say what is the point I'm actually trying to say here and then I would rephrase that Because that's awful like I mean maybe he talks about what those fundamentals are in a second things got better over time It's like the simplest. Yeah, I think yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you have to say like this It's it's like the recorded challenge trying to sound smart If you guys if you trade passage of time and creativity So it says the passage of time has allowed creativity to bring new and interesting I like doesn't that make more sense than what he's got I still I think the passage of time is totally. No, I agree.  You know, it makes sense for time to allow creativity to do something because creativity can't do shit without time We're getting philosophical Thank you total You know what I just realized a five minute downward thrust video has almost as much content as a five minute Jared You know, that's true Every sentence Jared said he's just like uh something new to break down Do you think tonal does Jared's son is allowed to Passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals We no longer have to wait on our games for the most part or agonize over faulty stone age We don't have to wait on our games. Both of those things are not true. Okay. One people totally have to wait for releases I'm waiting for the next god of war. I will continue to loading screens, but those That still exists. Well, this is what they went now. We're talking about optimization, which still exists How is full out 76 is loading times?  Those are alive and well like Alive and well look at ds2 Look at full out 76. We're doing fine People have been waiting five years for a new alien isolation sequel and well, we're getting one Yeah on phones. It's great. You have phones. Don't you? Yeah, don't you have phones? Also, he doesn't really tell us what the gaming fundamentals are. He just goes on to another point He just says gaming fundamentals Next died next sentence.  It's not even technology most of the time. It's just someone's misuse of technology even back then You'd have because this is the thing. Um They were like castlevania on the nest, right? There was a jump arc as a new jump and you're tied to a specific arc You can't move mid-air but they were games that were out at that point that allowed you to do that So you can argue it's not the limitations of technology. It's the fact that those developers didn't code that in It's a misuse of technology Like the holocaust That's a relevant comparison. Yeah, the holocaust was a tragedy No, it wasn't people died Didn't boogie say that was a point hundreds died Hundreds died by the second Also, I have to point out if a game has fun has good fundamentals Even if it's old or new people will still play it Well, I think he's implying that technology has made it so that we don't face these same problems We got from a lot of these old games. Is that what he's trying to say? Yeah Yeah, but you'll still play those old games regardless if the fundamentals are good, right? Yeah, but he doesn't even tell us what the fundamentals are so we're guessing again He gave us that list remember he said Lopsided story objectives. Don't you know what that means rags? You stupid I could speculate non-scaling enemies and zones even though they don't scale in dark souls and that's a very popular new game And this yeah, that's its own that's I mean enemy scaling right doing that right and wrong that concept right and wrong Is its own long video. I can't believe that's like a constant struggle I can't believe dark souls 3 is almost three years old now. Yeah, I know right Where does the time go and that's why they called it dark souls 3 because it's almost three years old Oh, they were thinking ahead. Are you right? They didn't have a point.  I am I am tonal too Harder than ever to go back and said uh, the holocaust Uh, the holocaust hundreds of loading streams died for reveal low baggings I'm enjoying the game. That is the reason why it's harder for us to go back harder than ever To go back and pop in our old favorite games Like not even what are you? What? I mean, maybe if you don't have a console anymore tonald. What are you doing? I so many old games. I still play Wow, what do you mean?  Is all the point this video was hey, some old games have clunky mechanics Okay, see you next time Like thanks, dude It would have been quicker and made more sense because I would now more than ever if anything as I play more and more games I appreciate and play older games. That's the interesting part So he's probably implying that as we naturally move forward in time Technology gets better and thus reveals older games to be even more clunky as we go But the funny thing is so many bad games come out now that we often pine for the good times We're like, oh, I remember when this selection of get isn't it was like 19 I can't remember what year it was, but there's like a year that several classics all came out at once or some shit And the people often go like, oh man, that was a good year for games and then they look today and they're like Could be worse, I think he's just flat out wrong here I want him to qualify some of the things he said Wait, donald first is wrong A hot take from rags himself. Well, that's the thing. It's almost like Is he wrong or does he actually mean what I think he means? He might be right, but he just means something completely different than what I'm gathering from his word selection To for dower thrust to explain his video It would make a way longer video than the original video that the original video would just be pointless It's like it would be irrelevant But this is what I think of when people like you should be concise I'm like, do you mean I should be really vague and make quick statements like Also, awakens isn't very good because it's not very well structured and the characters aren't very consistent Thank you next time. So here's the thing if downward thrust actually made long form videos, we might not Cut out what you do that. Yeah, well cuts out. I think Did you say that we wouldn't be able to finish it if he made long form videos? No, no, if he made long form videos, we might not have to cover it. Oh, yeah, no true The year was 1920 what when good games came out 1920 that makes sense 1920 Especially those that harbor internally more of these issues that harbor internally more issues Do you realize he's talking about video games that he said harbor internally? Why don't you just say harbor issues? Harbor internally more issues as opposed to a game harboring something externally Someone said we might know wolf 2019 We might know We might know it's that was when I cut out remakes and remasters exist. No Table remakes and remasters exist for money mainly and I mean, there's a shit ton of reasons why you might remake or remaster Goddamn it tonal those that harbor internally more of these issues It's the reason HD remakes and remasters exist If not for corporate wanting to grab more money out of your piggy bank But because of the realization that games need updates to remain relevant and I'll I mean remastering updates graphics Yeah, it usually I mean, I could still play resident evil 4 on the game cube it just I don't know tone. What happened you man? I used to come to you for all my gaming news I used to trust you tonal I don't remember if I can trust you or not because I don't know what you're saying Like an old senile man an old senile man now who's being redundant I remember when I thought I was the only one that didn't like And then I met you mauler after you insulted me and you Oh wait, did you wait? I thought we found him separately, didn't we? Yeah, I think you brought him up.   I mean I'd be upset. I'd be upset if he Well, I'd be upset when he delete if he deleted his video because this is a treasure trove Everyone to make sure that his videos last forever Cop save all of his videos and then individually email them to tone low Dude, what about what about if you Because because if what if you paid him you were like, oh tonal I want to give you $500 to review my script for a video He's like, okay, and you basically just repurpose one of his old video scripts But you cover it up a little bit so it doesn't look quite like it and see if he's like, yeah, this doesn't make sense This doesn't make sense Funny how you should mention that tonal This penmanship is yours For total If not corporate wanting to grab more money at your big At least he did actually acknowledge the remasters and remakes will be money Motivated a lot of the time, you know, he did have a lot of remasters and remakes will change game mechanics Well, that's a discussion on what makes a remaster versus what makes a remake Um, because like reinterpretation Yeah, they're all It's complicated We I think I had that discussion with alex before it's like it's like a never-ending conversation because a remaster people typically look at it as Graphics only but then they'll have like ui changes Maybe they altered a mechanic a little bit and it's like is it still a remaster now? Is it can't ever be made? Some some ui elements are just graphics, but they affect the amount of information you have as a player So they can't affect what you do in the game So Someone said I just got here. Did you guys spend three hours on a six minute video? Correct? You are correct, sir No, no, he's not he's not correct because it's not six minutes. It's five minutes. We I think we started After 29 minutes, we did. Yeah, we did spend 30 minutes on names, but the other two and a half hours We did spend we still got 23 seconds left. Can we beat this video in 15 minutes? That's the question If we beat this video in 15 minutes in that statement is not true remasters exist If not for corporate wanting to grab more money out of your piggy bank But because of the realization that games need updates to remain relevant The way he says piggy bank is weird games need updates to remain relevant. That's not even necessarily true No, no, not really Updated so the games don't have bugs, right? It's more more like that I mean if it's like already patched to completion and I don't think it needs more updates Like super smash brothers mealy is like a game that Does that need an update? No most people prefer to play it over the new smash brothers. I don't know about the new one, but Like I think a better would be I think a better term or a better thing would have been dlc, right? Not not updates Maybe that's what he would argue is encompassed in updates. Maybe he's like, yeah dlc counts Yeah, of course tonal, of course Yes, tonal this thing that makes more sense is totally what you bet Game can't rely on charm and fondness alone. It has to stand on its own. Yes, it totally can It absolutely can fake gamer detected Fake games need updates a game cannot rely on fun alone The leader game. I wish I would yeah, I wish I was intellectual enough to just understand To remain relevant an old game can't rely on charm and fondness alone It has to stand on its own two feet at the time you hit the start button And most old games do restrict us from enjoying them due to some of these reasons They restrict us from enjoying them. What does that mean? Um, what?  I didn't want her to feel old What? No, no, no, no Not tonal's mother Who are you talking about? Who are you talking about then? Um, I was talking about Were you just about to say everybody?  Well, I'm sorry. You should stop being a gamer then That's how we end the video at many games do Many old games feel old It's like I'm sorry, baby. It's an undeniable truth You can't you can't deny him that fail. You are wrong. You can't be serious. You are wrong Is gaming about to crash? Time explains everything or does it did you guys get into anything really old Much later than it came out What I give you an example. I was told I got into your mom way later than you came out. That's Yes, oh boy. Oh, that is I give that a tip. It gives that a thumbs up Yeah, boy so like I was told to play Banjo-Kazooie for ages and then I played it for the first time about six years ago I want to say so that's Yeah, let's just say 2013 because I can't remember the actual time when the game When did the game release was in 97? What game? Banjo-Kazooie, something like that Released 1998 so that's you know 15 years late and then so it's like I guess he said Some games feel but what I'm trying to get out here is just like um, it didn't feel old quote unquote But then I realized like well, this is all subjective. So what is even his point? What is it to feel old exactly? Our old people relevant discuss Well, I think your mom is relevant so She is yeah, I visit her fairly often and we talk and we maintain a healthy relationship You discuss things with the elderly Uh, she's not that old Well define elderly define Define your mom Okay, so that was the first downward thrust video when the intention was a potential like four videos today. Um We I don't know it's gonna be a 24 hour stream it. I'm guessing we should do At least one more. Do you want to do you want to go with the the one wolf the the fabled one? Do you want to I mean, I'm up for it. Are you? Yeah, sure.  Yeah, we're doing that Yeah, why can't you just make your own why you gotta take it from somebody else?  What's what's wolf gets back? We'll we'll give it a proper intro because this video's got some history Yeah, okay. I'll be back in just a second. All right, bilge so, um, as I've been said um Uh Let me scroll up find it That's entirely on you downward thrust. I can still enjoy older titles just fine I agree many older channels are or any many older games are great And as I said before they have a novelty To their age that I think is very appealing like quake Is a very appealing game because you understand the context of when it was made And you can enjoy that and savor it. It's like a trip through time With your telescope I've often more underestimate so much they can spew for hours at a time I mean, this is the thing you never know. I don't want to drag these guys into the pits of hell, you know I'd like to that for them to be voluntary on that. We are gonna bust this joint Uh, you know, it's nice to have a break silence I was just gonna say like there's a lot of people out there who kind of want downward thrust to be I don't know for lack of a better word exposed and like, you know, let's let everyone know How bad downward thrust is and how he's taking advantage of This is the thing. I'm like watch one of his videos That's it. You don't need to do anything. Yeah, like actually listen. Don't don't hear him Listen, this is actually unprecedented. Look at the amount of notes I have for one five minute video like this is I usually get this amount from like seven videos We got We got streamlining People get older as time goes by We can get this when we look into a telescope back into time. Is that what he actually said? That can't be the structure was it? Yes Like looking through a telescope back in time as a species of video game A great example of this is Uncharted 2 for example He clearly didn't redraft like well, I'm assuming he didn't I don't know Do I don't know that one guy redrafted seven times and it took him 12 years or whatever and it was awful It was 11 months is what he said something It was like basically a year and seven It was the boyhood of video essays And I'm like, oh Like you could have done better She's just gone with your first draft and just roll the die Why is he called down with thrust that is a good question Because he makes my sanity take a downward thrust Beautiful So nice to have peace, you know No down with thrust quiet I'm gonna get some chips. I'm gonna read some super chats um Super happy to finally be catching this live You guys are great and I listen to efab all the time. Give the great work. You guys are fantastic Good work. Uh, thank you demonic fork Love you guys also if you ever choose to do another Jared video for fun I would recommend his desk law vid the holy law should be seen by all I mean I I wouldn't disagree with that. I really shouldn't so close to dinner, but I just gotta help myself That's your opinion anime recommendation of the week mob psycho 100 made by the guy behind one punch man Oh and Gundam. I am blooded orphans again Oh, I liked I liked the first season more than the second one That's why'd you have to shoot on his parade? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry for being subjective my bad.  We get a lot of recommendations. I'm just sort of We start like a A collection of them. My friend Ronief have fan fiction to commemorate this glorious podcast What is this? What is what? I mean, I'll I'll post it so that you guys could look at that while I read the other ones, but what what what what is That's this interest, but anyway guys, thanks for last no problem. What do you guys think of the film essay channel renegade cut? I think someone else asked about that. I'm not 100% sure who it is. I'd have to yeah, that that name doesn't ring a bell Thank you guys so much. Yeah, I think If you have fanfic. Oh, I agree Um Thank you guys so much for featuring my videos have five dollars looking forward to the colonial marines livestream that is coming soon and uh Yeah, man, you make some hilarious videos e-man gameplay. So thank you Quick someone grab rags and chip him. He keeps running away from home not making videos. I've used this as one common It's gonna be big Time is subjective bilbo raggins. They're common. Hi. Hello Hi, this column wheels rag and prince fuzzy butt. Oh, yeah, that's the Eric taxon reference. Nice. I and maiden songs have better wheel buildings. Oh, I'm not the fuzzy, but all right. Well, fine We'll remember that way. I mean, I don't know if Eric would refer to you as that you might do. I don't know I my rear end is like It's like the smoothest suede Good to know.  Yeah, I can't have to move discord for a second. Well, you know Just in the downtime I have to say I find it insulting frankly that there are 1,865 people watching right now, but only 546 likes guys Give this a thumbs up for the best podcast Ever in history of youtube. Yeah, the more you thumb like even weekend warriors doing a thumbs up perpetually That's true. Yeah What's my next my next video I'm gonna try to get it done this weekend Oh, uh, I've seen this guy in the chat. I I know I um commented something you must not have seen it Uh p0801 underscore for some reason Oh my god, um Thank you for getting me to read the dark tower. I'm currently reading dunes rings up next. Oh, there's a good ones Any more book recommendations? Yes Uh wings of war series by brice o'connor. I don't know the name of the series. I don't know if there is one Uh, I only read the first book But the bear in the nightingale by kathryn ardent The silence by d. Nolan clark the first law by joe abacrombie and the expanse by just james s a quarry Those are the ones. Um, I would also recommend interstellar marines No No, but in all seriousness, um, one of my favorite authors, um, he's a doctor actually He wrote a book a while back called One fish two fish red fish blue fish And I really I like the linguistic stylings. They're narrative tripling I like to prose generally narrative tripling the structure of the themes in general I believe was written by dr. Seuss was his name, but I would highly recommend that novel It's very descriptive. It builds a lot of world building is done into it and it's very educational This is an adornation tyler presson asks your thoughts on blizzard shooting themselves in the foot with diablo immortal being a mobile game Don't you have phones? Let them burn. They're dumb.  Oh, yeah, both of them are absolutely welcome Isn't that right wolf? That's the aiden Oh, yeah, I don't know who aiden is but oh, yeah, you know the other one.  I mean if he was interested There may be a few things to possibly iron, but yes, I would probably be okay with it I'm okay with pretty much anybody coming on even quintan Even I like I said at the beginning if quinn said that he'd only come on as a fun time thing And he refuses to acknowledge anything in terms of drama I would just have fun with it and I'd be like sure man Whatever you say and the last question is wolf. What author do you find to be overrated? Ooh, uh, that one's God, what's it taking rolling?  C.S. Lewis Yeah, yeah him him No, C.S. Lewis one of the most overrated authors ever. I mean, I mean, I don't really like any of his books Granted, I've only read the narnia books. I don't know if he's written anymore But he gets way more credit than he deserves honestly the best one is uh, Tolkien Because when you really look into the narnia books, they don't make much sense But I think god is an overrated author The other thing is that thing is a trainwreck. That is true, but I was soft draft. Well, I was talking about Authors that actually exist. Um, oh, that's right. That's what Ben said and think people always ask me when I'm gonna be back on EFAP at mola Is that you saying you want to come back on that? Is that what that is? We've already reached our Philippine. No, you're no damn it. No, we've already reached our pacific islander limit for the day Yeah, apa and he came on he already had he's had one and a half episodes. He came on to guest to talk about the um The the abridge thing sort of online and then all the comments were like apa ben is wrong about the abridge thing Oh, no He's gonna have to address those controversial claims when he next uh comes on I suppose um Yeah The the lone toke Donated and said is pot is probably what downward thrust did before making this video. I don't I I must be missing the joke came all over you see the toke I don't understand the toke. Oh the lone toke is what he would have done. I get it now I've seen the s tartis fan movie. Maybe good free fap someday. What's that drawing of a puff from a cigarette Typically one containing What's what's what's what's a stardust? What is a stardust? Oh the space marines Oh, is it? Yeah, stardust the about five days ago part three came out Wait, I will link you part one and then you can watch part two and three. They're like a minute and a half each Wait, I've event said wait. How am I wrong? I don't know what you're referring to Ah Nobody here said that he was wrong, right? We all said he was Some people in the chat said you were wrong.  Oh wait, that's I'm breeding that out of order I was actually okay with reading it One k is a lesser race than a five k because it's a lot shorter the second japanese 10 000 year empire.  We're not gonna say anything. It's just that This is a very good video. Okay, very very good And it's it's it's tom would look downward Nine minutes dear god 9 11. It's even worse nine. Oh my god And we're gonna so as we just we went over he just explained whether or not old games are relevant and now he's got modern video games They aren't better or worse. They're different But are they relevant? Oh Also, that's not me asking to be on e-fap. My view is asking every constrictor. I was just kidding You're welcome to cut back on we'll figure it out Um, but it's that's strange that he would make when was this video relating to the other one? Oh, I think this is newer, right? This is like This is almost 2016. This one is the other one kind of shits on old video games. This is 2018, man This is two years later. He's moved on. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's made better arguments Yeah, uh better analogies too.  So let's uh games is the one said tony and wiso Are not games of today. In fact gaming as a young kid 15 years ago was a lot different than it is gaming as a kid today He just gave me just talking about game. No Let's listen to that again kid 15 years ago was a lot different than it is gaming as a kid today This is the intellectual gaming movement guys. Yeah, this is the leader's video white letters on a black background That's how you know, it's important Oh, Jesus I'm gonna down a bit. Oh, I forgot when he started putting in all these unnecessary intro fests quest, dude Oh How does the fester's quest? I remember playing a lot of fester's quest as a kid fester's quest was a horrifyingly hard game to beat horrifyingly Hard game to beat well it is adams family. It's pretty spooky It's like I think there was a suitable pose to have there, but he took like way too long on it I love the way he constructs videos.    I I rewound it. Well, I guess he might have who knows Bad controls a scary low frame rate insane difficulty frustrating map layouts and a where the hell do I go design? Checked all the boxes. It's easily one of the most blood boiling games ever to be released yet I still find it very charming for my chump kid friend who never held an NES controller Arming it was quite literally though. Don't walk in the hole uncle festus Hey, sorry, what was the relevance of this clip? What do you say? In games ever to be released yet? I still find it very charming for my chump kid friends who never held an NES controller It was quite literally though impossible This is quite literally impossible quite literally impossible. Was that festus quest? Literally impossible. I don't know. It doesn't even look like the same. It looks like a different game impossible And I'm sorry. How is like I'm not trying to like brag you but that doesn't look maybe if you let him finish Mother he'll explain why he didn't finish. What does this clip to do with anything?  Is that what the game is? Blast So festus quest is quite literally impossible Then he shows a different game and something that's not even doesn't look impossible as well as the game's called You're a very strange man, total What do you think? How do you think he came to choose this clip? Do you think he was like I need gameplay footage of something looks really hard in quest Quest is fest best quest And he was like I can't find anything.  What what game should I choose and you just like how did he how did he get? How did he get to blaster master exactly? Well, I'm how you'll let us know. I'm sure he will let us know exactly why he chose that Never mind fester's quest was developed by sun soft who had developed a few titles for the Most notably blaster master see See it's kind of it's another game That's which was an extremely difficult game just in its own right Fester's quest had a very short development in 1990 and a rushed and all be all deadline as sun soft was forced Isn't it this is totally an epic event isn't it be all end all rather than all Be all end all be all do you guys say end all be all or be all end all end all be all Hey, like four times it doesn't even sound like it's a real phrase. Yeah, that happens a lot with Stop saying it. Stop sounding real You see tone look so many times. It's like wow. This doesn't sound like a name probably isn't That's why we're called totaled. It makes more sense Fester's quest had a very short development in 1990 and a rushed end all be all deadline As sun soft was forced to put out the game by the end of the year Probably to capitalize on the very busy bee winter Bee winter the busy bee winter Does that mean winter but with bees You know, there are some people who think that bees shouldn't even be able to fly I think we should set a policy that is there a bee and snowflake emoji I want to see winter bees if we got that Gotta be that sounds like all be all deadline as sun soft was forced to put out the game by the end of the year Probably to capitalize on the very busy bee winter Christmas season Oh, these are just the fucking concept of like you put something out at the end of the year So we can get bought up for Christmas There are bees Winter bees everyone That always happens in the viewing markets come years end You've seen the story actually hold up. Hold up. Hold up end all be all That doesn't make sense. How he's using it Do you want to go back to when he uses it? It's end all be all is like Right, it's the best. It's the the perfect thing Like this is the end all be all You know basketball player.  I was about to say like what what do you think that he's trying to say without I a rushed end all be all dead The rushed most desired maybe Maybe the ultimate deadline the deadline. Yeah, I would you have wouldn't Deadline's a binary though. Like they're even there or not like how do they how do you have a more? You know more deadly more deadly deadline. I guess the closer it is to you. I don't I don't know Yeah Okay, all right, what I've atone old It's forced to put out the game by the end of the year Probably to capitalize on the very busy bee winter christmas season and the shopping Happens in the video game markets come years and who says that you've seen this Markets come years end.   He's good.  What's made is sorry so but unlike many modern games, you know, this is we've already this is way better than the previous video It's much more coherent. Um It was just not a high bar. I guess he really did come some way after those two years So well, I mean, this is the thing the one we just covered is probably the most incoherent video I've ever seen from him. I'm not even kidding Fester's quest didn't care about if you thought the game was fair or easy enough Or tried to hold your hand through its most difficult hours There was no tutorial or That's that's because it's an old game That's how they rolled before right saying old games are clunky. Is that what he's saying? Yeah, is he saying that old games are a lot of old games are just really poorly designed Yeah, like fastest quest I'd like questers fast Quest as fast as my favorite of all of the quests. It's an artie man. Like Atari et the best game ever made Difficulty ramping or content blockading for the sake of making it easy for you. No concessions were made What am I looking at? Why did the vampire demon steal the bride from the caveman? No, no, this is ghostly goblins. Yeah, I think what's happening I'm assuming ghost goblins is going to be relevant This is a good thing he put his armor back on Many many games during this time followed the same mentality of them Just doing whatever they wanted and not really giving you too much in the way of instruction A few that cut the minds just on a nintendo What was the point of playing that clip? That's that's all the nest games, right? They don't have tutorials in the game. Not that I remember typically, but I mean they have the manuals Yeah, this is the time where the manuals were the things you read in the nintendo Mahler, apparently you skipped many super chats between giving you Oh, no, I haven't um The way it works is I'll read some that I had sometimes because they come in through um What's it called? I guess stream labs donations versus super chats So it may sound like they're ahead of time But I just read them off as a section and then I'll go back to super chats All right, then the next one is James Moore um at 8 40 p.m. Which was How long ago was 8 40 p.m. Link fucking? Yes, so don't worry. I I've got them ready.  Oh, I'll check in a sec zappin my bail when Itals I'm putting this in Such a weird statement that everything's a weird statement Why do you like nappa ma doesn't zap in ma? Is it like cool? weird Oh, it's uh, it's like another version.  I've got oh, there's a couple things on twitter I mean I collect all these now. It's gonna be like an awkward silence So Just keep it up on another tab and we'll come back to them. Okay, mom Fast forward to the wait. Yeah, I just want to see that. Did he actually deliberately hurt himself? Ninja turtles. Yeah, he does Yeah, it looks Yeah, generally you don't Yeah, it is annoying. I guess it would really annoy me if there was electricity. I just ran right into it and it hurt me Gosh, it's a kind of very sensitive and we're to get to you know it The the worst thing is he could have edited it to the part where he just got electrocuted, right? Why why did you have why did he edit? bunch of turtles with lightning bolts in the chat And the turtles look so happy too They're ready for it It's exciting zapping my turtle They're getting shell shocked Oh What As one does No, just as an editing thing just just cut to the part where you get shocked You didn't have to show us the part where you you fake. Yeah, you gotta just cut right to this Yeah, it's just so dumb. It looks like he's brain dead the turtle and just flows into it.  That's a pretty cool. I can't even imagine what that would sound like um Sometimes I guess I think I think downward did it. Okay the way that he did it. What do you guys reckon? Um, oh, yeah, I'm setting up. So there's just three images that are probably worth growing up.  It's impossible We should we blame for this Our fans. I blame downward too hard Yeah, I guess so this one's like a different quote By the way, baowen. I'm finding a way to use this uh, this downward thrust image Use up the fact Aquaman somehow Oh, I can't see it.  I love it Games of the past are not games of today founder of the oh wait is the same one wait. Yeah, it's the same one But it's a different quote. Well, it's the last one. Oh, right I Creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals total Like this I love sketch Oh, there's no sketch Oh, it's a different person. I don't even know what's happening here. We got Is that jaren? Jesus jaren Uh, is that What is that? Is that rags running away from skull on wheels? I guess still running away. What's on my face?  Oh, yeah, I got it strapped to my face Uh, we got a rhino Growing up milk. It looks like it's throwing it up. Maybe that's how you actually milk a rhino Oh, and then objectivity is pointing right at it and then there's kylo ben On the hill Our lord sweet lord jaren All right, and I love back back to the wondrous the book of genesis is about how he created the world. Yeah, that's true. That's true That's for today though and designing a game like this and emitting key features to help players out would threaten any new Game with a quick trip to the graveyard Well I guess you die. Do you say omitting? No, the game doesn't survive. It goes to the graveyard people wouldn't buy it It goes to the graveyard. It dies. What though? What was he referring to? Um, that's for today though and designing a game like turtles and emitting key features He said designing a game like this and omitting. I'm assuming he said omitting omitting key details Is he talking about like tutorials? like I'm sure you'll let us know what these details are Someone in the chat said, uh, did did efap invent live fan art? I doubt it We call me the first people to do that Live me bery. Well, we do have like some of the fastest Uh artists in our audience though. That is true Come on. How long do you that is crazy that that downward thrust drawing like that's too detailed Well, it's like he like knew we were gonna ask him that like two days in advance Founder of the intellectual gaming community New game with a quick trip to the graveyard Obvious exceptions do apply but these games do represent the tiniest minority today Why is that a just a picture instead of gameplay? Don't know it was easier for him to get the picture than download the youtube video But um To download the youtube video So he's saying like doxels isn't exactly Handholdy with the game and so that's an exception to what he's talking about I'm just like, man There's a shit ton of other games that do not like engage in handholding or specific details in Explaining how to do a thing But he's just like no there's an exception The other game I played a lot while growing up You have to account for that you can't just say like oh, it's an exception It's like what do you mean? Why why isn't an exception if your rule is that if you don't have these details that explain everything to the player Then they'll suffer. It's like why doesn't doxel suffer then explain I don't know Weird amount of advertising. That's what gets it through that presents the tiniest minority today The other game I played a lot while growing up was Final Fantasy This is so unnecessary This this shit like because it started his older videos like there was a point where you decided I do you think it's just filler I don't I think it's he just saw it somewhere and he just Did it Like what are you? Why what is the because I mean someone in charge of said best themes like why wouldn't you just start playing the theme of this game behind what you're talking about If it's to do without wouldn't that be cooler than just going that'd be a little too difficult for him That's fair enough. You know what would be you know What's the thing is if you're going to talk about all these subjects just have one game up That's related to what you're talking about and just have it be the whole video Have it be the whole playthrough. I mean, I'm cool with putting up examples that are applicable But ones that aren't applicable.  Of course it does. How else will you know what final fantasy is? First it was the original on the nintendo and then I moved on to final fantasy 6 on the sns Or I guess it would be three for the american you're an american arguably Well arguably he said arguably It's quite arguably It makes me think of a pirate saying arguably Arguably we see the shore and the heart Yes, arguably it could be My name is Tony Luke. I'll be the founder of the intellectual gaming society Our To diversify your investment portfolio Why he was wrong about gta 5 Was the captain did the captain die or was he murdered? Captain wasn't just killed he was murdered Murdered video games aren't better It's got a third sticking out of his chest Or he was murdered I've lost me way lately. I'm going to change and then I'll change it all Oh, the uh, the artist just said pirate told locum on it Yeah, I was gonna say you can take the existing one throw a parrot a hat No, I want to I want to see if he like makes something like brand new We're gonna be sailing high seas. Hopefully there won't be awful pacing from area to area and the enemies scale properly Make sure you include his very feminine eyes. You can't you can't exclude that I feel as if our mission has lopsided story objectives It makes sense if you think about it. Okay, arguably the pacing is not the standard Oh Someone said intellectual pirate First it was the original on the nintendo and then I moved on to final fantasy 6 on the sns Or I guess it would be 3 for the american crowd It's quite arguably the best final fantasy game to ever be released to many people I would find it hard to disagree with this statement But I would have to give that title as well favorite games pretty much ever The original final fantasy had a permanent character decision at the start of the game Defined character occupations in a class. You don't just choose not to be a pirate anymore Can you choose the pirate occupation in this game? That's that seems if they don't it's more of a lifestyle really It's not very diverse if you can't be a pirate. I'm just putting that out there Decision at the start of the game defined character occupations in a class update system later on in the game It was a massive explorative game in the style of japan's most influential j rpgs And would quickly become one of the most recognizable games ever to be released And most but I still felt the need to let you know with the title sequence I love it This video right now. So the reason he's talking about all this is probably because he's going to imply that this game is Not even that bad now Maybe yeah, because the whole modern video games aren't better. And I'm just like this is like a direct Counter video to the one we just watched Everything is held back in old games. Yeah, he kind of he kind of shat on old games in the last video I was I was wrong about old games being not relevant Yeah, the real question is did old games die or were they made it or were they murdered?  I'm trying to listen to the intellectual gaming community found a total joke One of the most recognizable games ever to be released and most people would say a pretty challenge Oh, I like that section where he got into the sailing ship. Yes Go see creatures here. We're getting close to the whole pirate section of the game One of the most recognizable games ever to be released and most people would say a Game that required a lot of you as well Final fantasy six which came later on was a sprawling phenomenon Arguably final fantasy three you can be interpreted as a six The thing is The third it is that is accurate. It's it's another place. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, it's just still funny It is funny though I would I would have said that if it was my video and I said final fantasy six and the screen said final fantasy three I would have been like oh or to admit to the west it was called a final fantasy I'm assuming you could just show the gameplay instead of the title I was going to say right. Yeah, yeah If this was final fantasy six in wherever else it was released Wouldn't there be a menu that displays final fantasy six and not three for him to use You know what I mean? Well, he yeah, exactly You could have somebody else you could have just you could well here if I google final fantasy six and go to images final Fantasy yeah, there it is six and then I click on images right there So you could have just used that But maybe the reason that he wanted to use this title is because it goes final fantasy three Somebody did a win to be Let's just send it to you guys I got Beemilk oh it's adorable. Yeah, it's cute. Oh my god. I love it Oh, that's cute. He's got beemilk and he's got a little star It's literally the most wholesome picture anyone's drawn for us so far. That is amazing. He's so happy I really like that. I like him. He's my favorite. He's he's happy. Oh now back to tonal blow He's got a scarf on now. Let's go back to Was a sprawling phenomenal rpg probably one of the best of all time It had a really cryptic and confusing story a really deep job Why would you say that a really a really a really deep job symbol or system and then airships Uncomplicated story like why is that considered a good thing? I think wait also I think he misspoke when he said job system in ff In ff6 you could get their characters to have classes, right? But everyone can learn magic I I don't know what he means by it's a complicated job system Because you just grind to get to to get to the next You level up the magic side. Oh, maybe that's what he was meaning. I don't know Well, I got confused when he said job system because you don't really change classes in ff6 You have a certain class, but you could learn certain spells depending on what you equip Yeah, people in chat are saying similar things. There wasn't a job system per se each character was a job Yeah, yeah So women am I right? It had a really cryptic and confusing story He described the story as cryptic and confusing in a positive way. It's not it's not a cryptic story also You know who the bad guy is And story be very cryptic and confusing Or it's like the Bermuda triangle He's using all of this as a jumping off point, by the way He's gonna get into the meat of the arguments best of all time It had a really cryptic and confusing story a really deep job system airships Huge amount of side quests and pretty non-direct gameplay flow What does airships have to do with a deep jobs and system exactly? Non-direct gameplay flow. The airships are job creators. I'm almost Exhausted of saying mechanics and navigators and Make airships great again Carpenters and pipe workers and I'm almost exhausted from saying what does that mean? But he said non-direct gameplay flow can anyone What does that mean non-direct gameplay flow is non-direct gameplay flow? Okay, wait, okay There's a part in ff6 where it's pretty much you could go wherever you need to wherever you want to go You come to that part in the game. There's like a direct Half where you could do that, but that's not the whole game. I don't know what yeah another thing What does he mean by that? Also, I'm getting sick of him saying airships but not displaying airships on the video It's such a simple thing to do, right? If you use reader response theory this tree airship speaking of pirates Arguably My name's be captain tunneled sparrow Just like final fantasy 7 that would follow captain tunneled may be the worst pirate i've ever heard of But you have heard of me, but you have heard of me arguably Undirect gameplay flow.  Are you sure? I mean On a crack Yeah, this is not a great place to show non-direct gameplay flow if that's what yeah, exactly You should have shown that part in the game But non-direct gameplay flow if you're saying you just mean open world Yeah, I think well, there's a part in the game. That's not enough words You got a smarter than that Our non-direct gameplay flows are smarter than open world Or i'm getting sick of this guy are Also, yeah guys send memes on Twitter don't send them on to my discord because I can't I can't check discord stuff while we're live because of the Show the faces instead Speaking like a pirate makes me want to pop in my blu-ray of pirates in the carabin the curse I know I haven't seen it in forever Let's do it. I'm okay with that We'll do it. We'll do it pretty non-direct gameplay flow Just like final fantasy 7 that would follow you kind of had to talk to people figure it all out and most of the time You lose your way you'd pick up the trail eventually and get back on the right track all the while just enjoying everything the game had You could so easily spin that as a negative. I'm so confused by his assessment here losing your way is a positive Yeah, he's only because while you're looking you're enjoying it. It's like, oh, maybe that's what he meant. Yeah All right then Offer in fact, you could complete so many side activities that it seemed like so much of the entire game Was completely up to you to find These styles of old games are much different today And I find it very difficult to kind of go back to where you used to be as a gamer a long time ago Wait, it's not the jrpg mark As a skeptical pirate Literally making the reverse argument to the previous video now. He's always like bad. I remember when games used to be good I remember when games used to be good But Moller Moller but but Moller You gotta remember Moller Creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring you into this in iterations to our favorite game fundamentals Like getting lost. Yeah getting lost. That's my favorite mechanic It's not just the style of game or the fact that the jrpg market has kind of diminished as time The jrpg market has definitely Is too stupid. I'm waiting for the because he said it's not just that stuff stuff now. I'm waiting for the big point What's the big point time has gone on? It's just a general feel of how games were made back then and it's a general feel of how games were made back then Back when we didn't have the technology we have now our indoor plumbing Back before septic tanks were a thing made back then And I just hired a wizard to make mapu disappear My god cold bags We're bringing it back community That's circumnavigating the jokes It's come full circle Of how games were made back then and what was required of you as a player to actively participate with the game What was required of you to actively participate? Oh Isn't that like every game though What was required of a player to actively participate?   Would it be passive participation if you were watching a movie? Or is it active depending on what your brain is doing like paying a passive participation would be playing quantum break I don't I haven't played that game. So I don't understand. Well, it's like it's like literally 80 percent a movie and A really bad one at that and 20 percent really bad gameplay Well, I was actually like legit asking though. Is that actually how you guys would Do the difference between passive and active participation?  So it's like He's he's also doing the thing where he doesn't show us what he means by that thing. He said Oh, yeah, I mean It doesn't be much to ask of him isn't it come on. I just I just have a finish for our bits To actively participate with the game Role-playing games today nearly forbid that you get lost and make sure to clutter up your screen with markers and quest icons Your inventory with books see and this is where the motivation comes in so he would have he's aware of the complaints that were under this time where Those people making videos about how a lot of modern open-world games had a shit ton of um You know directions and stuff like do you remember that screenshot that went around where it was like an assassin's creed screenshot I don't remember which game it was but it's like they look at the mini map and there's like a fucking 100 dots and arrows and shit for everything and it was like this is modern gaming and then I think um Even eager raptor did one When he was doing one of his sequelitis videos, I think it was actually he was picking on uh, Call of Duty black ops well enough he was saying something like um, there's like seven different indicators for how you understand what you're supposed to do Like they just don't trust players anymore. So this is this is an actual discussion It's an interesting one But tonal always grabs the point and just slaps it onto a fucking video where he's got barely any like supporting evidence tonal just uses reader response theory What he says here is he doesn't he mentioned how extremely cluttered ui can be in a video game and in modern video games especially but if we go back and we look at um Let me take it. Do you remember where we were though? Yeah, 443. Okay um Let's see if I can find it first it was the Look at that original one and then are you suggesting that this is how much of the screen is ui I mean sidebars Is this a fair comparison like because the thing is like this is all just displaying information because this is the game right As in yeah, but if we're if we're talking about modern games aren't better or worse If it is if it's bad for one, but it doesn't even get a mention for the other when it was worse That's something that you should probably talk about Is there a difference though between you know, because like I said, I think he's gunning for the whole A game will keep telling us where to go and give us limited options in terms of going places He did say cluttered ui and I think he brings up this click here Because of how much of the screen space is cluttered up in ui I agree if that is what he's saying. I thought he was gunning for the whole Like you have like a quest marker in front of you like a little arrow Then you have like an objective in the top right and then the bottom left is an objective Then a character in the game is telling you where to go like and all of those things do the exact same thing I thought that's kind of what he was getting at but if it's literally just cluttered ui Then yeah, there's There's a lot of games that do that uh Quest icons inventory with books and charts your quest screen with a detailed account of Do a then b then c It's not a bad thing. In fact, some of these systems are actually really good for yes He was talking about here. So you got like notification notification notification Old breath zoom and then the top left is all those objectives which He's not wrong. He's just that he's gonna take other people's points and just poorly Execute explaining them like I said for games But they just changed the way the games are played as opposed to how they were played a long time ago So again, so you've got all those things on the minimap telling you exactly where everything is So it's what people say is that is less about exploration and more about checking off a list of things Yeah, it's not really exploring if you know what's there And you're actively going oh someone someone said you can turn them off Depending on if you can or can't in the games. I think that is a fair counter You can you can you know change what yeah, cuz because some games allow you to turn off the ui complete or the Hard at least completely off Yeah, and there's a discussion to be had between what like in a turn-based game you know where You don't really need as much of the screen to be like arguably when you're playing a first person shooter It's a lot more active then Then you have to Be able to see a lot of the screen because enemies will pop up and move around and you have to be aware of your Surroundings which aren't which aren't really problems in like the turn-based game It's worth saying that as games change and evolve and depending on the genre the ui should change to Or the evolution of graphics has left the need for uis to be a certain size kind of you know in the The fact we've already highlighted that it's like oh you might be able to turn it off in some games And then you'd be like what about the fact that some players want this some players need this And then it's like how bad is this ultimately and what to what degree is it acceptable or not? And he's literally just going to go All of fantasy was an open player game And then the newer ones Are less so and there are lots of games that are not games like there's a lot of games that have very minimal UIs in terms of how much like screen space they take I think it's dead space You know death space is like one of the best uis. Yeah death space is an awesome ui Yeah That there's a lot of games where have Stuff that's conveyed to the player without just you know icons on the screen Um, I wonder if he'll get into those I wonder as well The games are played as opposed to how they were played a long time ago So comparing them. I love how he says how they played a long time ago And he shows a clip in accessory black flag Well, and plus he shows two seconds of the actual ui that he's talking about and then he swaps swaps over to a cinematic That doesn't have any ui elements at all so that we can't judge like no Let the gameplay keep going so that we can look at the point you're trying to make but Why is he showing that when he's talking about old? He says old and he's talking about something that's absolutely a new ui as opposed to how they were played a long time ago As they were played a long time ago and it's like why are you showing this when you said that that's weird Go so comparing them apples to apples doesn't really make sense. It's like comparing them apples to bananas I suppose what it's not like they're not comparable Even apples have been on as a comparable to some degree I would call it something something more along the lines of like toast and butter spread on toast You know, this is a relevant super chat Uh, the original Assassin's Creed 2007 could have the entire HUD turned off and the characters would give you compass directions and specific building Market, mosque, god tower, etc to use instead See him for me If someone's thanks call signing Cyrus for the ten dollars. Well, I Sorry, I was just you neglected him. I was going straight for his point It's if someone used that as a counter to me saying there's too much shit on the HUD I I would have to agree with them. I'd be like, okay, cool If you can turn it off cool Yeah, is what else can I say like no Oh, yes, uh good point fair point and I don't think that's going to come up in this video considering how short it is But yes Apples to apples doesn't really make sense. It's like comparing them apples to bananas They're just a different experience for different time periods in our lives And that's because the entire industry has changed so much Back in the day simplicity was really hard to strive for because the hardware wouldn't allow it Simplice he was hard to strive for because the technology wouldn't allow it I would argue that technology wait The older the older you go the simpler it becomes arguably right arguably right Okay, he might qualify that but that is okay. Okay. I let everyone's reaction is just what I do okay. Yes. Yes older technology was so good That we couldn't make simple games. We had to make them as complicated as possible It was so simple. It couldn't be simple. I don't know what he means by that Really hard to strive for because the hardware wouldn't allow it. It wouldn't allow you to put in systems to make games Oh, Theo said, okay, he means our modern standard for simplicity Oh That you suggesting that he is saying how we look at what simplicity is today was not possible back then because of the technology Has enough change to our entire outlook on there's so many questions for a statement like that Let's just really relative. I mean in one one game that someone might think is simple Another might think isn't as simple as another game. That's all relative really is he if I think wait I think every downward first video should be a subgenre of eFap like every pause headache.  I could never figure it out Yeah, exactly. Exactly No, Pong Oh, right. Oh, I thought you said pawn, but even then um once again, I misunderstand you But it brings up a good point chess is how old How old is chess and the technology and the rules of chess? It's a simple game But it can be be immensely deep and it's a lot of strategy that goes into it I mean chess is probably what I would define as the one of if not the most complex timeless games Like oh, it's super fucking old and checkers is so far beyond it The people who are basing at chess scare me I hate that word sixth century It was invented in the sixth century really Sixth century.  That was an old game in the 1500s The good old days the most commonly held belief is that chess originated in india where it was called chaturanga Which appears to have been invented in the sixth century ad It came from the indians, but although it is commonly believed It is thought that persians created a more modern version of the game after the indians But the white people took credit for it.  I've collected them now.  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Oh We have to get you caught up on your reptiles, man. True.  You see if you were a leafy fan back in the day You'd know all about the reptiles. Wouldn't it be a fan of mr. Rhapsody calls his fans reptiles, right? Yeah, I guess Uh, okay. Yeah. Yeah Back in the day simplicity was really hard to try for because the hardware wouldn't allow it It wouldn't allow you to put in systems to make games easier for gamers So we relished in the challenge because Did he confuse difficulty with simplicity? I mean a simple game can still be difficult Is that what he was trying to say? It's like That whole sequence dude, let me listen to it again. Sorry. I lost like it's skipped and I lost the ability pause I'm just gonna okay. Let's do this again. It says for different super serious in our lives And that's because the entire industry has changed so much Back in the day simplicity was really hard to strive for because the hardware wouldn't allow it It wouldn't allow you to put in systems to make games easier for gamers So it was like no, that's not how it works. You don't put in the simplicity Things are simple by default and you make things more and more complex Putting systems to make it easier for gamers.   I accidentally made an MMO I gotta take stuff out until it's just pong again. So like if I'm giving him the most benefit of the doubt Let's just picture the thing that he showed so you got like all those quest markers for example They couldn't put quest markers in old games. Is that a statement that you agree with or is that I don't think that's true I don't think it was I just don't think it was something that they thought of I don't think they I think they didn't want it I don't think he's saying something.  Where do you begin? I don't know what he's referring to and I don't think he's right I don't know what he's referring to and if I did I don't think it would be a valid point that is That's where I'm at. Like it's it's a complicated position to be in Wouldn't allow you to put in systems to make games easier for gamers So we relished in the challenge because that was what we were used to in the obtuseness And what was required of us to get the job done is gamers. I think he tripped over himself What he did that weird he was like obtuseness for a second.  It's silly It it not quick or alert in perception Feeling or intellect not sensitive or insurmounts. That describes downward thrust perfectly Yeah blunt in form not sharp Rounded at the extremity And this is so like obvious reverse argument here So he's like You know by the fact that we didn't have the systems to be able to make all of the things that make it easier We're just accepting that that's true for now If that was true He's he's like so we relished in the challenge It's like you could easily have someone say like yeah It was much worse because you didn't have simple Systems in place to actually telegraph where you're supposed to go or what you're supposed to do You know old games just had no direction you could easily make that argument I mean, I'm not I'm not making it But he's he's implying that it's like a good thing What I'm trying to say with his CMC D Sadly, yes, he does have a large fan base. It's 300,000 I don't know that all of those people are fans. Yeah, but his view to sub ratio is It's like it's like around the mundane matte view to sub ratio. Yes It's like it's much better than that But it's still bad. Well, yeah, well, yeah, true.  It's all over the place three days ago 30,000 views One week ago 220,000 views two weeks ago 150,000 two days ago 74,000 It's all over the place. His last video is apparently not very well received We've blue said loft mass often stroke scrolling through DT's videos and he has a video titled battlefront twos Battlefront twos final insult. Oh, yeah, maybe it's the last. Yeah, I remember that one Oh, that's beautiful Downward thrust. Okay. This is this is funny in his in the comments of his recent video I was wrong about battlefield five They're cutting that says Is a comment that says Downward thrust is the type of guy to buy bottled water that release it back into the ocean You would buy a box of matches and throw them into the forest you're home Saved you Uh He'd be like those people that put turtles in the ocean when they're supposed to be fresh water They die Oh my god, oh god, is this the one no, uh, not yeah, but rags is comment about how he looks a bit, uh, down. I got I got a Oh boy, what have I spawned with that? This is gonna say this could actually kick off into something if we're not careful I don't even really know what they're trying to get across They hide the down syndrome Mike Mike said that would thrust the catapult is to try and drown a fish When I said I was gonna get down tonight, that's not what I meant Um, all right, you went downs tonight to get down And what was required of us to get the job done is the next step at evolutionary very difficult games.  Geez make games easier for gamers So we relished in the challenge because that was what we were used to in the obtuse-ness And what was required of us to get the job done is gamers and very difficult games Gamer wow that statement what an awful sentence Oh tonal that sentence was the linguistic equivalent of a Just like a wet paper sack Full of mulch You should have picked it up and it's just falls apart. I don't know. It's just it's I mean it is a thing but wow I mean that sentence must have been really hard to I wonder what take that was I don't know rags. Actually it would be one wouldn't it? He just does one take.  So it was obviously his first take but Calling it mulch will be an insult to mulch. That's true. At least mulch is useful Yes, exactly it helps Kid during this time force us into battleharden warriors games. We'll get back to you if you Warriors I'm sure like the dude said basement wearing his wolf shirt eating a cheeseburger playing dota is going to be a battleharden warrior Remember when quitting cold as warriors rags by it against like subjectivity or something I don't know. We will fight a holy war is what he said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah warriors come out and play We do come out and play though.  No Oh, hold on. What time is it for you? Uh five twenty six Okay, hold on. I gotta play this time. We'll see. Games only gave back to you as we end up playing games as a kid during this time force us into battleharden warriors Games only gave back average. No, wait, hold on. Just jump forward again. That's complex, but they just Watch together. What's wrong? Playing games as a kid during this time force us into battleharden warriors Holds in the obtuse-ness and what is required of us to get the job I'll just leave it very difficult games That fixes it Oh god, I gotta scroll apostle the memes Games of the past Games of the past not games of the future Okay, okay. Let's see if it works now. Uh, it's loading for me It's just your opinion Games of the past and not games of the future. Come on tone I'm not gonna sit in but if they're games of future past They're never truly gone. What's happening for you guys right now? Uh, it's just pause. Yeah for me. It's yeah, it's at five twenty eight Did you try refreshing the page instead of just have you tried turning it off and on again? Well, yeah, I turned it off and on again, which is even more thorough than a refresh Okay, I'm gonna play it and we'll see if that works Anything no It's not playing for me But it's only playing for me. Okay. Maybe we just need to Together page wait. It's playing for me also. All right. I'll make a new one. Okay. It was at five twenty six Games is a very professional podcast.   So that means my connections Okay playing game Wait, there's only two people in the watch together for me as well by the way Yeah, it's only me and you I'm as a kid Wait, well, no, no, no, we made a new watch together. Okay Yeah, go in the link on the thing I will go to the place else. I thought you said that my stream was offline. I was like, oh, no Oh, no Suicide Grunts of America says that picture of downward thrust is amazingly accurate. It's actually terrifying Wait, which one the one that I use Okay, let us continue this and what was required of us to get the job done is gamers Very difficult games Playing games as a kid during this time forced us into battle-harden warriors Games only gave back to you if you manned up and you beat them today That's probably not the case Games today give a lot of free way. I guess we missed that sentence Yeah, battle-harden warriors keep going probably not the case Games today give a lot of freebies, don't they? And there's a lot less thinking that goes into playing any given game on average Perhaps it is not that they are today less complex, but they just make it easier for gamers They are today less complex. That's such a weird way of delivering that life Less complex or no wait here. Let me let me go back Less thinking that goes into playing any given game on average Perhaps it is not that they are today less complex, but they just make it easier for gamers to experience them What okay To translate I think he's saying discuss take take game a from the 1990s and game b from the 20 whatever they are both just as complex objectively. That's just something that a wizard tells us However, the way in which they deliver information on how to beat them both Is different because of sensibilities that exist at the time or technology that allows you to translate these things to people And so the game in 2020 is actually easier to beat than the 1991 Even though they're exactly the same just because of stuff like where it's like, hey go over here Hey use this to do that Now someone says someone in the chat says let us continue Valboa Baggins that is an interesting point But I don't know that that is what he's actually saying and besides there's a lot of reasons why there's something like that could happen as in There's there's a whole bunch of reasons why games may or may not have been harder to beat or more complex before versus, you know, like it's What is complex in a game exactly? What does that mean? Is it the amount of mechanics or how they mix with one another? Is it the depth That you could reach with them the height to the skill ceiling difficulty and complexity two different things too, right because I think he confused them. Yeah, it's possible.  That's my assessment But they just make it easier for gamers to experience them call it dumbing it down Call it concessions or just calling it designing games easier. Call it. Whatever you want.  What is it though? What are you? What are you referring to that thing in your head that you're thinking of? That's exactly what that's it. Call it what you want. Yeah So yeah for all the audience members out there who think that there's some issue with new games that isn't in old games He's just told you yeah that thing you're thinking of that thing right there that nebulous thing That is the problem. I agree with you. That's it. Like and subscribe. This video is right. So you're on point The general trend over the last 20 years has been such and there is a reason for it The gaming environment has changed today. Everything seems to be wrapped up in what a strange Seem to show for this. Yeah Okay. Yeah, it is like the game industry is giving birth to the new games of the future Notice how it dwells and screams it's symbolic It's symbolic, you know that ceo is a great way to read Gaming industry what a strange. Yeah, because at ceo like it was the the rebirth of assassins creed It was the second game. Yes. It was the rebirth It reborned it the series It reburned it Has changed today. Everything seems to be wrapped up in money and it makes the experiences just different You can listen having a baby costs money. That's why when he said money You know like back in the day back in the 90s They used to make games just because it was a creative process, but now it's like about money You know, there's no money.  It's nah It's just it is now and you know what that did Do you guys want to know what it did when they became more obsessed with money? It made it change what it did things changed Oh, wait, what was things specifically didn't stay the same They did not I can confirm this More things change the legends or no, I don't know what to call it. So I'm just gonna call it Snail happening. Where did we go? There's our pregnancy scene good. Whoa, there we go. A lot of what you have to work. Yeah We need to see it. It's important for context and it makes the experiences just different. Very good tone. You can pay for a lot of Look at that.  I love it Just also look at my massive tatas. He has this Screen this this thing for saying things would different like what what is what is it? Yeah, this is a bit different. I guess you're right You can pay for a lot of what you used to have to work for No longer Can you beat the story mode with ryu and street fighter 2 and be rewarded with his alternate costume or a new color way for a Yes, so this is another thing he's read about but he doesn't this is a completely non-secret Irrelevant point. You know the idea that you have a pause Sorry, I don't think Did street fighter 2 have a story mode? It's just arcade right though. If there are cons is there a story mode in the consoles that I don't know of Okay, yeah, so, you know like easter eggs and cheat codes and stuff And skins a lot of people have made the the the point that those things used to be unmarkables by doing those things in games But nowadays they micro transactions and other stuff That's true. That's fine. Yeah, and he's just thrown it in here because it's an actual like interesting trend People have noticed and talked about and he's just it's just haphazardly thrown And it makes him sound like he's actually got some kind of credibility here like he knows what he's talking about But what are his references you used to be able to go through the campaign One guy and unlock another guy. So like there's gonna be a game Where that's still a thing you can do these days You're gonna have to that's a whole video on its own honestly Sage you got to pay five dollars for it or spend 50 hours of your time earning enough fight money Fight money, what is he like what game is he talking about? I also think it's more of like The freemium model what he's talking about. Well, sure He could be referring to so many things. That's the problem that we don't know of.  Somebody wonderlust has been lost. I would say but perhaps it was unavoidable That's one big black guy That's my Playing that was a relevant. Yeah Games back in the day meant playing a strange place to put your dagger vagina dagger Oh, I didn't mean to go Playing games back in the day meant playing a much smaller pool of games made by a limited amount of developers today the hyper Always limited. There's no way he played all the games that came out when he was a kid That's just not a thing that happened the amount of of course by a limited amount of developers There's not an infinite amount of development. It's always unlimited This is what it reminds me of uh, who's the person who said It was it was cinema sins wasn't it who said something like, um It's it was infinite or it was close to infinite. This is like how do you get close to infinite? I'm so weak I suppose this you could say it's a metaphoric statement It's just being some immeasurable amount Distribution and game development has spread out of control like wildfire Seeing more in different games being developed to a single player in those battlegrounds Selling this like it's a bad thing Just so weird. This is just the reverse of the previous video the nature of game distribution and game development Has spread out of control like wildfire Seeing more in different games being developed every single day spreads out our interests among more games and more game avenues And this is a bad thing why I mean, he's gonna he's gonna seal this off with a quote. So it is they will no, but it's not bad So yeah, just just make sure everyone's following. He's saying the more developers and more types of games getting released so much It's just we're all just sort of you know We're playing loads of games and we're getting spread a bit across all of them, you know I think that's where he's going He spreads out our interests among more games and more game avenues for each and every game developed today More players become disseminated across those new products It's like when bilbo baggins This isn't us he put this here This is him This is the origin of the bilbo meme everyone Good old first you see when you I feel thin sort of stretched like butters He put a bilbo meme A bilbo quote To support is a joke like he legit is citing him like he's a philosopher And then wait wait also how how is many people playing many games necessarily bad? I know this is the thing.  Have you played more games this year than a particular year of one of your childhoods years? It's like this like oh no, there's so many games this year. I have to play them all Oh, no, uh where I was going with that was like I played more games when I was younger than I do now Even though there's more games available now than there was when I was younger.  It's like no Someone said I understood that reference bill bow back Like when bill bow back and says spreading not enough butter over too much bread Nobody has enough money for all of them and ultimately that means today game sales are you didn't have enough money for all the games When you were a kid either That's always the case for every time there's been a game like I what what does he what is he trying to do here? It's just But there's more gamers in that massive pool to buy the games Yeah, so that's true. That's why there's so many successful genres today Yeah You could argue that the reason there's so many more games because the industry got bigger because more people got invested and interested They're interested in it I don't get it Oh god, it's just I agree. I believe if we look at the evolution of video games ecologically like this ecologically By that what does he mean by ecologically the video game? What okay, so I'm gonna read you out of the definition of ecologically In a way that concerns the relation of living organisms to one another and their physical surroundings Ecology is the branch of biology that deals with the relations of organisms to one another and to their physical What in the hell is he talking about The games they live let's let's listen to it again. What is he referring to and ultimately that means today? Game sales are hard to swing especially when so many games out there are free I believe if we look at the evolution of video games ecologically like the evolution of video games ecologically I just I don't know what how much how much good faith you have to provide him to be able to interpret that economically That would make a lot more sense It don't you don't even have to like I don't have to change that when I put it into my parody video I don't have to change it at all It's in its natural environment Covered in cheetos on the bottom of the floor Gaming in the 90s was a much more simple time The community making them was smaller allowing them to share a bigger piece of the pie Less hand-holding was needed Slowdown With the games being better or worse They could have a bigger piece of the pie and then you start talking about hand-holding. It's like whoa Bigger piece of the pie. Do you mean they could make more money because they had a bigger portion of the market percentage of the market But then but there's more money in the gaming industry now than there was then you know like A big hit now will make you more money than it would then I would imagine because of the amount of people who could purchase the game Depending on how much they get the game costs. See this is a It's a complex subject Less hand-holding was needed more risk could be taken for more creative projects as they weren't afraid Of you running off to another game or another device. I don't is that is that how bad destiny 2 looks? Or is that destiny ones probably destiny one? I don't know wolf answer that Uh, I don't know. I think venus is in both games speed it up. Put it forward a little I didn't play destiny we take in for more creative projects I don't know as they weren't afraid of you running off to another game or another device because there wasn't that many out there I'm sorry. Well, they took more risk because they weren't worried about people jumping to other devices Are you kidding me? Like the console wars were a thing from the moment That there was console wars if you know what I mean like they of course would what could be considered about other device That ties into a market share thing It'd be like do you release your game on all of the consoles one of the consoles?  Yeah chat would probably know this better than me I can't remember but the Let's put it this way they had warring fan bases then too Yes the snats versus genesis that was like an actual thing stony versus sega versus nintendo but not really Consoles were a thing for the well-known consoles baler thrust Atari draincast soldier boy's console line Yeah, no they would be concerned that you jump priorities, uh, I love you just Like if I told you I was gonna make a video about the idea of taking risks when designing video games I don't know how I could make it in less than like an hour I feel like there's so many things to cover about why a developer would take a risk And how publishers control you and how the history of a series requires that you stay within certain things Like there's so much to it and you just casually it's like they wouldn't take risks back then They would take more of them because you know, they would care if you jump to another device Modern video games aren't better or worse. They're different like how does what he's talking about relate to that I don't have an answer for that. Yes If you lose tonal So when you think of it like this and you add it up some of the allure I think has been lost through the years Oh, this is definitely doesn't a one Oh wait to be yeah Over a little bit device.  Yeah So when you think of it like this and you add it up some of the allure I think has been lost through the years not to say it's worth when you think about it like this Some of the allure has been lost think about what like what? Like what fight did you make? You made nothing It's just different because much of the fun in games has had to be scaled back How would it be if you said the fun had to be scaled back, but it's not better or worse How is it different? How is it wouldn't that just be worse to scale back fun? Even though it's not even quantifiable like Tonal'd I believed in you Fun in games has had to be that's replaced by the assurances garnered by gaming's most conventional safety nets Steering genres to a place of common ground teaching players by giving and not requiring And evolving what we used to know to make it more suitable for gaming's more streamlined palettes today That's not to say that today is bad Accessibility can be great and many games out there have been taken to a place Isn't that just strictly good? What's the what's the downside of accessibility? Also, if normies get in Anyway, what is if it's different and it's not necessarily bad, what was the point of making this video? To prove that point it's it's to prove that it's okay guys. It's just Like it's not even It's like a headache to watch these videos because it's just you know How long have we been going we're nearly at five hours five hours? Oh, I'm gonna have to call it really soon. I think I think it's safe to call it at the end of this video I think that'll be it. Yeah, this will be the term of thrust e-fap. We need to make it to five hours.   I will replace you with You've already halfway there. Don't you do that? Also, don't leave jay alone just because he hasn't seen like a thousand good movies. That's fine Yeah, yeah, speaking of which chat you want to know how many movies jay has managed to not see, you know good old sin sins I'm sure we're gonna list like his one or two go go ahead. No, no, no So everyone sin sins, you know the rhino milk guy jay He has not seen saving private ryan terminator gremlins braveheart the lion king gladiator The last samurai kingdom heaven the green mile the shashank redemption rain man goodwill hunting black hawk down taking treasure planet The fox in the hound atlantis tarzan robin hood the disney one not the other ones I am legend and the lord of the rings trilogy That fox in the house. He has not seen anything in his life.  This is cyber bullying Yeah, I'm just saying you know, how do you not see the lion king? How do you not see the lord of the rigs? How do you not see saving private ryan? I mean, these are like the movies that everyone on earth has seen I have to wonder is he like Does he like literally live in the middle east or something? PSA you guys should actually see those movies if you haven't seen any of the ones he just listed go If you yeah Yeah, let let let me let me reread the list so that you can make sure that you aren't as sinful as j is So again the movies that j has seen and that everyone on the planet should see is in a slower in a slower pace Saving private ryan terminator gremlins Braveheart the lion king gladiator the last samurai kingdom of heaven the director's cut by the way The other one that is bad the green mile the shawshank redemption Rainman goodwill hunting black hawk down taken treasure planet the fox in the hound Atlantis tarzan disney's robin hood. I am legend and the lord of the rings trilogy That's 23 movies And that's 23 of the biggest movies ever made and he hasn't seen any of them He said terminator two is more important. I've seen that. Yeah, you have seen that. That's your high I mean, sure, but still terminator one is really good though. Yes I actually think terminator one seeing it before two kinder makes two even better Like a lot better. Yeah Terminator two is amazing and it is better than terminator one Terminator one's a classic man looking at arnie is the bad guy when you go into terminator two makes it really satisfying knowing sarah's character You know change and the reasons why like it Just go see all those movies. Okay, let's go Also, yeah, we've started a conversation now as to whether or not terminator one or two is better. Nice one wolf Is everyone off Well terminator two is objectively better. You can think otherwise. She'll just I love both of them But yeah terminator two for me. I have a lot more to say for why it's oh, yeah I've been I binge watched all of them and then mauler had me watch genesis and I wanted to die watching genesis But terminator one like I was surprised by how good I found it Terminator two is still way better But terminator one like is way better than I remember being so Jane harahan said only one out of three people in america have seen the original star wars And it's the most viewed domestic film of all time people don't watch things Remind me. What does sin sins do on his channel? Is it uh review movies? I mean in fairness Not technically he reviews film reviewers True so but he would be a film critic still because he does defend me. I think so I think so I think But the funny thing is is we asked him like you've seen the dark night, right? And he was like, of course I've seen the dark night. It's like you can't say that you can't say You you can't say Of course, I've seen the dark night when you haven't seen 23 of the greatest films ever made I would just you just cut the sentence down to when you haven't seen lord of the rigs because they're too I would consider them in the same genre of these are films that you should have seen if you haven't Um, don't don't let people find out It's gonna be weird I mean, hey, you've got a lot of fun in in line for you though You know if you actually do watch the movie you got 23 amazing films to look into What do you think of black oak down? I love black oak down. I thought it was awesome black. Hawk down is awesome It's not historically accurate. It's awesome. I love how legolas dies right at the beginning All right. Yeah legolas obi one who else is in it? There's a bunch of like huge Also, uh, we have a video So let's get this knocked out to say that today is bad Accessibility can be great and many games out there have been taken to a place We couldn't even have imagined but some games in some genres He had a screenshot for witcher instead You're a strange man. I would love to know his this is a bad example of a good game his editing process Wait, did you say it was a bad example of a good game? No, no, this is the yeah, I mean this is you don't put mass effect and drama that As an example of something good. Yeah, it's what I was trying to say. Is that what he's about to say? But some games and some yeah, accessibility He was chewed up and spit out at the other end. Well, he said some games have fallen away chewed up and spit out and then he's got Andromeda, I'm assuming he's referring to it negatively. You know, I should amend that I should amend that I was I am legend is probably not in the list of the greatest movies ever made Um, I we were just here's how it started Um, moller told me one day jay hasn't seen saving private ryan And I was like everyone's seen saving private ryan And then we started going through a list and that was the whole list that we asked before We were so sad that we just couldn't ask him anymore before we were like Depressed and I am legend was just part of that list of the movies that he hasn't watched Yeah, I am legend is not one of the greatest films ever made by any stretch. It's just part of that I mean, yeah, I think it's I think it's decent. I don't think it's great.  I have no idea what he's referring to and even says that Meaning it's possible to make the most money as possible Wait, wait, I think And it's a bad game. That's what yeah, I think that's what he's saying And spit out the other end just to make sure they are as convenient as possible to make the most money as possible Okay, wait as time goes on Mass Effect Endowment, I didn't make so much money. That's why they cancelled it. They tried though. They tried Yeah, they tried Like is it still a cash grab if it doesn't grab cash? Well depends what their intentions were Games continue and will continue to change through both demand man. That's such a great clip So, okay, so he's comparing demon souls to dark souls and how it's changed But he showed a bit of gameplay from demon souls and then a cutscene from dark souls Like this could be any game for anybody who's on a way I mean that could have been any game for anybody who's on a way If you're gonna go through the trouble of going and getting these clips Don't have a guy run forward 10 feet see an enemy and then turn around and run away He's like you have the clip. Just cut out a section where he's like hitting something or dodging an attack or Something come on. It's just it's the exact same amount of effort to survive Games of the past are not games of today Playing them today isn't the same Thanks for repeating the soul in me. He thought it was that good that he repeated it twice. Oh, no, that's Games of today playing them today isn't the same as playing them years ago Even if you were the same age It's not just the game Wait the same age is How would you explain I'm gonna share travel bullshit Exploding mind Gif, wait, wait Yeah, it's like it's the tim and eric meme or the minus flow. I think I know you're talking about.   Jared doesn't age Like Wait, what is this? Is this it? No, it's not better mine Pail in hurry up. We're almost done. I can guarantee you So the reason what he was trying to say there was if you were the same age as someone who had played those games back then That's probably what he wanted to say But instead he implies that we can type travel and I just thank you tonald go even if you were the same age It's not just the games that have changed It's the attitudes that go along with them and what they're willing to do today games are more advanced And they've gone down new road not necessarily it depends on what games More advanced, what does that mean? You know like, uh, what's a simple yet popular game? cod for interest Pay low on just cuphead count Where's that considered complex? I don't think it's complex. No Just do checkers or tetris or mario doom Wolfenstein 3d. They said a rival is great. I'm angry now Uh, well, jay.  I remember when I walked out.  I remember when I walked out of that movie I remember when I walked out of that movie with my friend I like that movie so much because the language is in circles and time is circular And I was like, oh god, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life And I watched it again because I was like, is my missing something and I watched it again And I was like, no, no, it's like it's like even dumber than I think the main character is retarded the military I swear to god, I think the people who made that movie have something against the military because The it's the dumbest people on the planet I mean, they listen to like alex jones and they're like, you know, it's a great idea Let's go against our commanding officers and try and kill the aliens for no reason because alex jones said to And then there's that stupid plot twist that makes no sense because it relies on so many different factors Like in a totally alternate timeline It's I I'm serious if I if I come back When I come back to youtube, I'm making a video destroying that movie. Same with annihilation. Same with Aquaman Yes, the three a's the triple a the ancient effect of terrible films that everyone likes and they're wrong Um, so you're wrong if you want to have how about bird box could With us is the bees. That's the triple bees um B box So if we could do that sometime j could watch the film you could watch the film Then we have like a little debate on you. We can like watch the film.   Um, I think if he sees one good movie, it'll make him hate black panther. He seemed to me too If he sees two good movies, he'll hate black panther Yes, that offer will just sit on the table down j uh, you can come on and wrestle with uh With with the happy wolf as he's as he's known the common happy wolf too today games are more advanced And they've gone down new roads. It doesn't make them better or worse. It just makes them different But old games were complicated because their technology wouldn't allow them to be simple Wait rags or what you're saying is the video doesn't make sense, right or worse dude tonald was Spittin philosophy and you guys weren't picking it up because you stupid Yeah, it's over it is over It's over man. No, uh, no square space. I Square space was like Jay jay said I've seen good movies. I've seen tlj. I thought he immediately said like that was a joke By the way, I'm pretty sure it's clear, but it can always be it's like.  Rags rags with the jay defense What are you rags? Hiding your down syndrome behind the glasses No missy tonight. Hey, why don't you step into the chroma zone? From the zombies crack Look at twitter. I am looking at twitter. I've got a selection here, but I don't think any of the not what you're looking for wolf Let's uh, just keep monitoring. I I shall oh you know it's arrived Done done. All right. I'm done. We'll do it. We'll do it lost We'll do it. Okay the way that we do it No, do it now I I'm doing it now, but I'm doing it. Okay the way that I'm doing it No, you're not. Okay. So this is this is number one People get old as time passes. Toby McQuire rip off that sounds like a You just got straight up Then what I think genuinely could sub up his channel to a t this will be oddly How do you do fellow gamers? Basically Uh, that's a good one When I said I wanted to get down tonight, I was this was not what I meant But that twist my pay another look How many memes to get through So many memes video games of the past transform me into a battle hard What movie is that taken from? Uh, I don't know. I've never seen that that's Maybe a game Troy the eagle doesn't see trope or vikings. Maybe I'm trying to like go just based off of like the armor, but I can't think of the shields back there like roman style shields And we go this I don't know You're the worst I've ever heard of but arguably you've heard of me Oh, it's perfect bail in here. That's great. That's great All right, well, I mean I'm gonna read out all the super chests and of course we will be able to reach the end then Um, this is gonna take a while That doesn't mean it won't be amazing. So, um, hey wolf as much as even As much as you used to be into halo, how do you feel about halo 3 od st? It's a personal favorite of mine though. It was overpriced for what it offered at the time and some plot issues I like it It was a question for me Yeah, sir Yeah, I know, but he's gonna get value out of this damn super chat whether he likes it or not Well, my value is better than your value I do not think that is correct.  That's a bad way to say it. It was just like the bl end all no No, it it was the prologue to what would happen to them because they falsely advertised that game They said it would have new multiplayer. It's even on the says new multiplayer It's just a couple new multiplayer maps for halo 3 Which is really stupid. It's really overpriced the firefight mode That's not multiplayer yet is Well, it is multi there is a co-op mode, but I mean like multiplayer. Yeah. Well firefight is on the box too Yeah, it's multiplayer. Yeah, but it also on on the box aside from firefight. It says new multiplayer It was talking about a new multiplayer system like, you know the competitive halo and they totally lied about that Now the actual story I liked the world. I liked the characters. I liked the Um, it's just it really overpriced and falsely advertised Well, well Uh, there are objective morals the definition of good is that which supports individual freedom slash rights and supports society at the same time It must be consistent and based in truth. Yeah, but you can draw it back to the whole, um Who defines those as objective morals? Sort of thing, um, but again complicated subject not necessarily disagreeing But it was just a weird thing to sort of try and access on efab because of the The pirates I would like to I would like to read, um I know sam harris believes in objective morality and I recently have been reading a sam harris book, uh I think it's called waking up. It's about spirituality without religion. It's pretty interesting I'd like to see what he has to say about objective morality. I believe like a lot of the basis is something like, uh Isn't I don't know if it's a really it's like a fundamental idea of pain or Conflicting preventing someone else from doing anything they wish to do as long as it's within They they aren't affecting anyone else. Isn't that like a one of the fundamental things From sam harris specifically. Oh no, I'm just saying like in general a lot of people try and go with Oh Yeah, I mean my my whole thought is if it's harming someone else mentally physically or emotionally Then it's morally bad And morally repugnant in my eyes. Um, I would like to see, uh, the argument for objective morality from a Bad to break up to somebody No, no, I mean it depends. Well, if you have the intention to do harm to them, that's one thing. Um Yeah, I don't think I mean I have to really look into this really Yeah, I don't really think too much about Uh, objective morals in that way, but it it's an interesting topic It's just like I I guess part of it's like a lot of the objective morality thing comes from like A religious standpoint, which I don't agree with But I would like to see I do I am interested in the arguments, uh from a standpoint I just haven't really looked into it to me and break said I'll gladly come on to explain objective ethics And then someone else said objective ethics unearthed unearthed an rind and marie Rothbard a rind. I'm not sure but I mean, I think that society is um What society says, you know, we're not too concerned with on e-fap. I mean, well, it seems I just don't think that A lot can be achieved by us talking about it versus Pursuing people who actually talk about objective morality Professionally, you know, it just seems a weird thing for e-fap to go over But I mean if people wanted us to we could like explore if For an episode we have to cover somebody who just does everything wrong as soon as A downwind thrust makes a objective morality video. We'll jump in Hey, Mola, did you see the just right put out a video criticizing fantastic beast too funny? How quickly he abandoned his new standard set by tlj His thumbnail for uh What's the movie by steven spielberg with all the references ready player one? Um, yeah, he's got this bad Yeah, it's like How do you even define it if it's just you felt it was bad? What's the point like it's yeah, I don't know. He considering he thinks everything is subjective I don't think you could nail him down until he says the word objective Like everything he says up to that point is subjective. That's how his mind works the same with joseph Uh, just right like he's releasing more and more videos talking about bad writing and in things and then it's like But I thought it was all subjective and he'd be like, yeah, it's my subjective opinion on what's bad. It's like, uh Okay, um God how it it just works Are any of you into bird box? It's being heavily compared to a quiet place. I would love to hear your thoughts on the film So who has seen it? I have I have to I'm assuming wolfen rags haven't I have not I have no interest in watching it, but I watch the red letter media on it Yeah, I I consider it like a serious middle of the line movie There's loads of bad and then things that I think are pretty good too It was okay. It was yeah, it was okay the way that they did it. Um But it's getting a tad over and underrated Like at first loads of critics were saying it's amazing and now loads of people on youtube are saying it's like the worst thing on Netflix and I'm like both sides of those arguments are just retarded Um, it's it's better than a quiet place. I would absolutely argue but then again I feel like the packaging for a quiet place makes people a lot more Um, is a menable suitable in that sense there like they're much more Okay with a quiet place because of how it seems like it all makes sense It's easier to figure out how much it makes sense compared to a bid box because bid box actually has a strange structure It has two timelines at the same time while yeah a quiet place is very linear I don't know me and me and wolf Feelers though more could be done to share that a quiet place is extremely flawed And perhaps something will be done about that in the future Yeah, perhaps someone get on making an efap slash jojo meme video I've agreed to disagree on the pants thing. Oh, someone was suggesting you guys agree to disagree I don't this is why I don't wear pants I agree with that statement Um in dying light the main character's having an acid trip thinking she's a zombie while she's trying to give them a Shot to stall the virus in him Is that relevant to oh that's because of the clip where the syringe appears magically I think So if that's an acid trip, I suppose that makes more sense I never got very far into dying late. I thought it was kind of boring Can we just get get into the pants since you wait what can we just get into the pants since you've gotten us worked up Not getting into pants Not doing it It's like pedantry olympics lose the pads guys not a big fan of scissor response theory to be honest Um wicked old school adventure game with lots of sarcasm and themes your dulcet tones would make for an ideal narrator Mola, how can I make this happen in my opinion? I have tried to basically do a full no on voice acting just because I want to Spend any time that could be spent on voice acting just doing video editing, but I mean I don't know like I said, I'll probably Because I've already said no to other people asking. I'll just I'll just have to stick to the principle and be like I'm sorry But casting call there's a website called casting call Use that you'll find what you're looking for. I guarantee it. There's loads of talented people on there. Um Trying to get work. So I prefer casting couch. No, not that one Um, but thank you I asked for advice last month, but you guys misunderstood me. Let me clarify. I got my waifu when I was 16 She's 14, but is fictional and doesn't age. I am now 25 It is creepy to keep my waifu or okay because she's grandfathered in Why do you have a waifu at the age of 25? Wait, wait, wait. The point here is that the point here is that we have we are presented with monetary reasons to misunderstand your question Huh, uh Because if we don't understand it, then next eFap, he'll give us more money to ask us again I'm actually so Repeat the question. I'm confused about this. I got my waifu when I was 16 and she was 14 But is fictional and doesn't age and so that now he's aged to 25 Is it creepy to keep the waifu or is it okay because she's grandfathered in? Okay, so hold on he's 25 father in fictional waifu is 14. That's weird. Why don't you just age your fictional waifu up?  Yeah, that's another question. Just just get a girlfriend. That's yeah, man. Get a get a lady friend. Honestly, that's They do explore the world you can't find them That's that's wrong here like seriously though like find somebody that's messed up.  There's something there's something wrong with this man The waifu is implied Are you guys gonna watch don't get annihilated by Andy or something? Oh, I don't care. Yeah, I don't even know who Tonga is Well, it said Tonga before when I was don good Oh Yeah, I mean it's Tonka so like oh did they have like a debate recently or something No, they're gonna fight in real life. They're gonna box somewhere really okay. Yeah, I think that's the lore Who's Tonka? I don't know this person Tonka so it's internet blood sports That whole thing Yeah, well, yeah, I don't know anything about it. Yeah, but yeah But if there's a highlights real of the boxing match I would probably just throw it on for the for the levels more I'm trying to get an analysis course started in college. Would you be willing to come as a professor or at least a guest speaker? Sure, that's her if you fapping. I can teach you Mm-hmm. I Didn't play Morrowind till 2015. I loved it. Yep. That's that'll be another one I suppose tonalds didn't say that that's impossible. It's just It was implied For love of God down with rush to make an actual point, please I recently played half-life 2 and fear. I was amazed how well thought out detailed They are made with passion p.s. Killian experience anyone.  Oh And Dragon Ball Super Brawley in select theaters this week and that's another recommendation I don't even feel like I should watch Dragon Ball before being able to watch whatever Dragon Ball Brawley is Down with broccoli down with thrust oofed Super Mario maker's physics for SMB 1 SMB 3 and SMW is not authentic at all instead Using NSMW physics.  Yeah, I've heard bad things about some silent Hill remasters that are bad. I Heard that the Assassin's Creed 2 remaster was pretty awful Dragon Quest. Oh the Dark Souls one remaster. Yeah, that wasn't like that wasn't terrible, but it was bad But like what it should have been Ratchet and Clank PS4. Is that a remake? I guess you could consider it that. Yeah, it's kind of like a remake of the first one Yeah, no, that's true, too. Like the original was better than that one. Ocarina of Time of 3ds. That might be fair. I haven't played it Yeah, but the the precedent exists as well as trying to get out So did you ever get around to checking out Carmen Ryder? Wars which has the two main actors in a live-action bleach film. It's the basis for have we met before line in if so thoughts No I think that's oh, yeah, wait wait. Oh, that's for you. Sorry Yeah, yeah, uh, I haven't watched Forze it like the whole season, but I've seen some clips on youtube so Wait, you've seen like three seasons to me Yeah, it's like It's it's a It's a mask writer show. Uh, it's it's for my review on bleach Yeah, it's it's a reference to that and one of the the lead characters Uh are Are in that same show so I I I said I would watch it, but I haven't gotten around to it and I have looked at some clips, so Um, I have high hopes for the future of bungee and destiny. Forsaken is a really good expansion and They expressed how much they really want destiny to succeed. What do you think of that wolf? I disagree. I I mean people said the same thing about the taking The taking king expansion Really didn't do as much as people like make it out to be It's still the same shitty grind still has the same shitty story has the same shitty Blackluster gameplay. I mean sure the gunplay is like solid, but it's really really shallow There's just nothing to it. I mean I want bungee to get back to being good, but Like I said, I can't trust bungee after Take our destiny one and then destiny two and honestly, like I said 2007 was like the last time they cared about making a good game No, that's just take I I have no investment in bungee. So I'm just like apparently samsung's in trouble because um People can't delete the facebook app on their devices Good thing. I don't have facebook. I like yeah a lot of people. I have it Family discussion stuff. I don't like facebook. I wish I wouldn't have to I hate facebook Um Maxpain 2 is one of the best gameplay story and graphics, but anyway guys it was released in 2003. What the truck also happy 2018 2 Yes, this is the sequel to 2018 Um Thank you. Uh, what will this downward dipshit faces critics? I think I don't know the he like leaves comments in his videos every once in a while. That's just That's that's the length that he goes to Uh, check out gary sheep 1717 the latest parody of order 66 He's one of the ones that I've got in the selection for a future meme. So we'll have to try and get around to them Pacing shouldn't be something that is standardized. It should be relevant to the interest of the game and the scenario Yeah, I know that's I don't understand how you standardize pacing. I don't know how that works Press f for elevator music. Uh, also non-scaling areas and enemies isn't a problem of pacing. It's a completely different design issue. Agreed exactly Uh, it's lucky that downward thrust and those like him don't have to have their essays graded because my high school English teacher Would throw them back in their faces let alone my college professor. Well, apparently that's what we're here for We're like marking these videos Uh, streamlined gameplay is the bane of modern gaming. It's always manifest as cut content and features And it just depends on what streamlining means specifically, I guess Four minutes video in two hours. That's one minute for every two seconds. Oh I think that makes sense.  Oh my god. Oh my god. What's wrong with you terrible thing to say I mean, look, okay. We don't like downward thrust either, but that's a little far. I mean, I kind of like him at this point. He's funny Don't do that.  By the way, that's the same guy who had the waifu.  What's there's something wrong with this person get help Nothing like evap beer and eu4 session was eu I think it's your open universe alice eternal and dying I kept getting an error. You're not eating I kept getting an error message not sent edit and try again when trying to ask how to pronounce Lan fer pull gwin gil go gurg gurg gurg gurg I think it is in the welsh name.   That's a question that will never be answered because nobody knows the answer So tonald first says that games get sequels because they're irrelevant, but then said in uncharted 2 was relevant That's that makes sense if you think about it though because um If you use tonald response theory Man, how do you think tonald would react to this stream?  I don't think he like he already tweeted he already tweeted.  Yeah I don't think about it at all You know what tonald we would love to have you on and we would totally cover anything You know, I don't think he would have much of a reaction like you know that that that face You know the first sketch that the first drawing that was sent to us of tonald I think that's just his expression for every single thing he does Stares a little bit at it Love the fancy layout. How is everyone doing today? How is everybody? How are you all? I'm great. I'm doing really well Thank you psyched Vigor and pep I'm doing well as well and then and funnily enough the new layout is literally just three Purple lines and I put the e-fap thing at the top because I thought it looked better and people could actually Know what e-fap stands for consistently now. So Yeah, but thank you um The same game on console and pc or last gen game on new gen can have different load times thanks to the system hardware Despite the same interfaces. That's true.  Well, I uh Appreciate it bobson Smallers thin. Yeah, I I need to put on a bit. It's in fairness. I'm I'm I'm too thin. I'm like a twig. I'm like j Creativity is allowed the passage of time some considered to be a natural Every time you unlock a sentence say jackpot. Oh, do you mean like because of how long it took us to get to new sentences? Every time we get to a new sentence take a drink Down with thrust isn't smart enough to talk about final fantasy tactics. Get this off my screen Oh boy, I finally caught a live episode of Raleigh's Gully yells at a cloud can't wait to see your analysis of their decision to put star wars in the mcu and have rey defeat Thanos in avengers that game At that point, I would just be like disney is a parody of itself But um, thank you. Uh, down with thrust more like gay got him. They had super chat this stream Yikes Relevancy and enjoyment are two separate things. Why does tonal not understand that much? I I I don't know. We never know what he's even saying Hashtag ban rags. I just love the hardest to have in a long time. Have a tip. Ah, I just skipped over them ah We did we did oh god. Yes. I said Written by God. Oh, there we go Uh, have a tip for the mom joke Bravo sir Wait, what's the mom? What is what did one of us make a your mom joke? Oh that rags. That was rags Yeah rags me that your mom joked in hot fire I just spent the last few hours finishing a grueling essay and it's thanks to all of your deep sexy voices that I could push through Thanks.  I mean, yeah How do you even quantify what happened in his videos? I don't think you can Wolf cost Jared's list movie written by moeller What Oh Wolf as in holocaust, but with wolf wolf cost Oh wolf cost Then jared's list movie written by moeller Did you miss anything listen cj you missed like five hours of autism? This is the end of the stream Congratulations to cynical reviews for verification and for hitting 100,000 subscribers sir All right lost your virginity yet We both know it was because of your appearance on e-fab everywhere. That was the entire reason for it We did it. We helped Um, but yes, we didn't read it Good stuff mist of doggo and congratulations on your new podcast. I believe they're doing an episode again That's the point. What's what's the um It's a second channel. I'll throw it in fuck, uh What's it called the great british podcast? I believe how was that name not taken by the way? You think somebody would have had that already up. There we go. I think Cynical streams there you go. So cynical reviews the guy who was on for the episode where we covered uh Sam Raimi spider-man films with I think rags wolf wasn't here for that. I don't think um Yeah, we watched him for that. Yeah He's running a stream with cynic snacks the pizza who was on the episode we covered shinobi if you guys The pizza that was I just want to say Shoutouts to cynical. I really enjoyed his sara