Ever have waffle crisp Amazing serials I was always jealous waffle crisp man. That's like you were probably much much thinner because of it Sent my dad to the States on it to get the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cereal we had to have this cereal Driving a truck with like boxes of empty boxes in the back But the on but if you pull them up then there would be all this breakfast cereal hidden away below sir Are you smuggling breakfast cereals into the oh no? These days I have my American friends bring me Gatorade because there's so many more flavors and it's so much cheaper in the States It's the same Gatorade and they just add Kool-Aid powder. Yeah Or powder or something like that No, did I tell you I got some green tea ice cream at the Japanese supermarket? Nearby the other day and they put golden grams in the bottom What wait Was it made in Japan or was it like what was what made in Japan? No, the ice cream like was it like something that was imported from I don't know a lot of that stuff is imported All I know is I went I told Eileen give me the green tea ice cream So she went over to a little stand. There's a food court area She went over to the stand and got green tea ice cream and I was eating it and there were golden grams in the bottom I'm like, this is the best surprise ever You know golden grams is good for the first few bites and then after a while it's way too sweet It was great with green tea ice cream though.  That's a good That's a good thing because you can just buy golden grams and add that to stuff Right, I could just go get some green tea. I found this great Hawaiian shave place over in the Not the Americana. What's even on the gallery of mall really good like really really good They actually have the the actual have these shaved ice machines. So it's not that so you're getting it real not you're not getting like And they're using a block ice. It's not like that BS. No comb blower. They call shaved ice Well, why do we end up talking about breakfast cereal so often Roger? I Think Really, yeah, yeah land is grasping fridays that we more often talk about it I don't think this I don't think we ever talked about breakfast cereals It's also probably one of the more innocuous topics that we won't accidentally strain to something too Well any topic can become sort of weird the sugar corn pops lobby All right, all right has undue influence Well, it's as you may have noticed if you're watching the video. It's a it's a hat friday again And thanks to len for reminding us. We almost forgot that it was it was going to be a hat friday I love me some hats So what you've got uh run c le Yeah, that's right The uh the cleveland take on room dmc. What was yours again, jen? Uh o w h a like ontario willman's hockey provincial 2017 Yeah, we got murdered, but we still got a hat. It's a good unique hat because none of us are going to have that one That's so much Roger's got the nsa hat on again. Yes And do you guys recognize what I have on? tc so creative cloud cold I don't know what that is cybercrime Oh cybercrime with alex well in cybercrime tv show hat. Who's the other guy alex well in What was jen jen for london wasn't it? You know somewhere I have I know I have a uh podcast pickle hat somewhere podcast good old podcast pickle I think my son has it a screen savers hat somewhere still all right shall we begin? Yes, I need control Well, if you must yeah, I suppose we must I have way too many tabs Okay Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for friday june 23rd 2017. I'm ton merit jen cutter is joining us again Welcome back jen good to have you always a pleasure. Thank you for joining us. You've got your your studio setup finally Yes, more or less it is it is almost there. The lighting's not set up, but I'm so close. It makes me really happy Yeah, it looks really good. Actually the lighting looks good for not even being set up set up right yet Well, it's just it's too hot to turn on the lights today. I hear you man. It's too sticky You know who else is hot? Len Peralta is here to illustrate the show Thank you so much. It actually is physically hot and yes, that's what I meant. Yes, and I am I am I am hot too So you're also very warm Very hot temperature So Len's gonna illustrate we're gonna talk tech. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Google senior vice president of cloud diane green posted friday that google will no longer scan gmail users emails In order to serve ads Google will continue to serve ads in gmail, but it'll be based on your search history your youtube history And things like that This is the head of cloud telling the head of ad sales, which is all the money at google what to do Jen, that's pretty crazy It is I should be happier about this news But my email is mostly my dad sending me things I don't care about whereas like my searches and my youtube are things I do care about so it's somehow A little creepier It's maybe creepy, but maybe that's better because then the ads will actually more likely be things you care about Versus things your dad cares about Yeah, well, there'll be a lot less golf in my sidebar now Yeah, because uh now that only applies to like the personal free one, right? The uh the one is still going to be the same as as it was before the g-suite one, uh, will will not Will not be scanned either, but it wasn't scanned before I think so there's no change on that. Yeah, there's no change But diane green wanted to say look we don't want people starting getting creeped out and not wanting to buy g-suite because of that so Charmin the makers of toilet paper and Anthony anderson the star of the tv show blackish have been conducting a two-day pilot program in minhattan For a toilet hailing service called charmin van go Uh, if you got in on this you'd go to charmin van go dot com and you could hail clean restrooms delivered in a van to your location See you sent me the link. I see the picture. I still can't believe it's real I I know it's only a two-day thing and obviously this is just a big pr stunt It's a marketing stunt, but I think they're on to something especially in touristy areas like time square I I can see people paying for this Oh, definitely and I can see cops just following it around giving you a ticket every time it stops on a bike lane Yeah, no, you then yeah, that would be the next thing is the the the toilet hailing services would be causing backups so to speak So, yeah, that that would all have to be worked out, but I don't know. I think charmin for for all of the marketing Involved in the inspiration for the idea may have hit on something. Well, you know, they're gonna have toilet paper Yeah, well, that's true. Uh, here's some other top stories venture beats ebb and blast aka ev leaks says his sources say samsung Is telling its partners that the 6.3 inch samsung galaxy note 8 will be out for 999 euros Announced in the latter half of september Supposedly it's also going to come with six gigabytes of ram not the normal four That you get in the galaxy s it'll have dual cameras on the back and most importantly Just a 3,300 milliamp hour battery That price scares me 999 euros. Yeah, it probably ends up being around 700 or 800 dollars either canadian or us I'm gonna guess But but they're they're sticking with the note brand. They're sticking with the big screen And i'm very interested how they approach this announcement I guess my problem is I can't justify this like my old phone is slowly dying and i'm debating going back to t9 Because just like i'd rather have a new computer than a fancy phone that is almost as good as my current computer Well, and that that is a good question. I mean one of the Things people were thinking was why have the note when the galaxy s is almost the same size Is pretty much according to the ev leaks stuff about the same specs I mean, you don't have the s pen come with it, you know, you're not going to have six gigabytes of ram But how much difference is there really and how much room at the top end of the smartphone market is there to sell these? I'm curious what the ceiling is for consumers Like these phones seem to sell well. There's all kinds of high-end phones There's new people getting into the phone business trying to capture the market Uh, it's kind of really interesting to see what you can do with your phone and when it eventually starts just becoming a laptop Yeah, now from wald in our chat room rightly points out that uh 999 euros is more like 1200 dollars us But I was taking something from what uh, what we heard From ev leaks at the end of the article. He says that 999 euros Should translate to a little over 900 dollars given that the 799 euro s8 Sold for 725 dollars. So it's not about exchange rate. It's about looking and saying, okay They price things a little more expensively in europe than they do in the u.s Yeah, it's that mental thing like if you keep it under a grand you're like, oh, it's affordable as opposed to 1200 Now you're in a different realm of thinking. Yeah, so uh end of september look for them to use a lot of cold metaphors and stability Assurances There'll be nothing approaching a fire in the air. They're not going to be fireworks. There's not going to be flame throwers Parklers, that's all out Google added a note to its policy page that says it will now remove quote Confidential personal medical records of private people from search results Google tries to limit what it interferes with it basically takes the approach of if it's publicly available We assume it's publicly available for a reason and we index it. They do make exceptions For financial information. So if they see credit card numbers, they won't index that The copyright violations obviously is well covered of people saying hey, you got to take this out of your search index And revenge porn recently just as recently as 2015 they made an exception for that Medical records of course should not be indexable publicly unless a medical institution accidentally publishes them that happened 43 000 records made public in december by an indian pathology lab by mistake So google making it the policy that if a mistake like that happens they will take those records out of the index That is slightly comforting Yeah, I mean, I think that's good. Yeah, it's not google's fault that those things showed up online at least this I think one of the reasons this is attractive to me is it is a great example of Why you can't just have an algorithm Maybe machine learning will get smart enough at some point to be able to say oh wait medical records that probably shouldn't be out there Uh and identify that but right now the algorithm is based on hey if it's public It's supposed to be public and it can't really adapt to something that was mistakenly made public Yeah, I didn't know about the credit card things either. That's really fascinating. Yeah No, that's it's something they they had to put in years ago for the same reason credit card numbers accidentally being posted online or maybe in some cases not accidentally but some some Uh malicious actor publishing them on like a pay spin or something Yeah, I'm more familiar with people on twitter taking pictures of the credit card and yeah Yeah, you don't want that indexed. Don't do that also also. Don't do that. Please don't do that samsung launched the exanose it 200 processor optimized for internet of things devices the it 200 applies samsung's 28 nanometer high k metal gate process It's got varying cores So for example the cortex r4 core can do the heavyweight stuff like run the operating system While the independent cortex mo plus can do things like just operate the status lights turn the leds on and off that kind of thing There's also security subsystem that can handle passwords and data backup and prevent copying the t200 i i stands for internet of things by the way supports wi-fi Open connectivities iotivity standard and is certified by microsoft azure iot So samsung like intel like qualcom hoping to capture a big part of what is expected to be a large internet of things market What i hope is that they spend as much if not more time on the security side of things that isn't just anti-copying Because we need less things that are easily hackable over the internet No, seriously like the the fact that there is a security subsystem in an internet of things chip is praise worthy and that's how sad The security has been on the internet of things side. So yeah, I hope you're right I hope this handling of passwords and data backup is is is robust. I look forward to people auditing that This next one. I think is important because It is an attempt to solve a problem before it becomes a bigger problem. Uh, we have seen google and microsoft be asked to hand over information on people that is stored outside of the united states By united states government. So microsoft won their case. It is being appealed to the supreme court We'll see if the supreme court picks it up, but microsoft if the current decision is let stand successfully fought to say hey If data is stored on our irish server, you have to get ireland to issue an award You can't issue a warrant in the us for data that's not in the us alphabet The folks that own google is working to get lawmakers worldwide to update laws On how governments may or may not access that data that's stored on servers outside their country This is not just us related google general counsel count walker announced the proposed framework in a speech to the heritage foundation in Washington dc the framework they're proposing would say If countries all commit to certain baseline privacy human rights and due process principles Then we have all of those countries agree to honor direct requests from each other So in other words, you say look you have to have this level of vetting You can't just make random requests and you have to have a proper Probable cause and all of that sort of thing and due process But if you agree to that then we will honor your request for data on servers in our country and likewise You will honor requests for data on servers in your country right now The rules are that a country has to request a warrant to be issued by the country where the server is Which is why the united states was suing microsoft They didn't want to have to go through the lengthy process of getting an irish court to issue the warrant So it's interesting google is saying look we understand If you're processing an actual crime You don't want to go through that lengthy process of going into another country I'm beginning from scratch to get your request But we should have a process that ensures that if you're requesting data from a server Outside your own country that you have followed all the appropriate rules and that that country would do so in return I wonder which is faster going through all these appeals to get to the supreme court Or getting this huge international agreement together Well, yeah, I mean if you need a request now it'd probably be faster to just go to the country and start the process to get a warrant issued there But in the end, I think the idea of having an international framework that says let's just all agree to do this right So that law enforcement doesn't have to waste time But we also protect the rights of citizens from spurious requests. I think that's the way it should be done Yeah, on its surface. I can't see a reason why this would be a bad thing But I'm sure lawyers who are much better at the sort of thing will have reasons. Yeah, and you know Obviously folks can and silverblades say in this government can just lie and say they followed the rules You need so that's why you need a framework that says hey if we catch you doing that and we have assurances in place Let's make this happen. There are plenty of examples of other International frameworks for just this sort of thing. They're just they just don't relate to online. They don't relate to data A lot of the laws relating to online are just too far behind. So this kind of catch up is necessary Uh, finally the shortage of nes classics and nintendo switches has prompted nintendo senior director of corporate communications charlie schibetta To tell ours technica and I quote It's definitely not intentional In terms of shorting the market. We're making it as fast as we can We want to get as many units out as we can to support all the software that's coming out right now He's like, look, we need to have these things on the shelves for mario when it comes out at the holiday season Sabata says nintendo simply underestimated the demand Uh nintendo has sold 2.7 million switches in the first month and they're on track for 10 million by the end of their fiscal year Which was their goal, but I think they're going to pass that goal. So Jen, do you believe them? I still remember as a kid my mom having to Drive all over southern ontario to get me and my brother copies of pokemon blue and red Because the demand was just somehow unanticipated That it's still happening today 20 years later. Okay, it's more than 20. I don't remember how long ago that was It's kind of amazing because it goes to everything that they make whether it's the first part of controllers Whether it's the systems whether it was the wi-fi dongle that was really rare rare for a while And then amiibo amiibo was rare Not in japan, but especially in north america. It was very hard to get your hands on here for even like the 3ds and new 3ds It has been eight months since i've seen one in a store that shelf is just empty I can get any kind of switch accessory But no switches no 3ds They seem to make one thing at a time And then everything else just shuts down in the meanwhile Yeah, I think this to me says more about nintendo's poor inventory management and forecasting Then it says about some kind of conspiracy to not let you buy one of their things because in the end If they don't ever have them available. They don't make money. So that's not a very good plan Yes, you can't sell games for systems that people can't get Exactly and they make the money out of it You know zelda manages to sell more copies and they sell systems. So people are pre-buying the games But I do wonder if there is a part shortage that they don't want to talk about That's that is very Much more likely to be something real than then then some sort of diabolical plan to keep them off shelves Is that there is a there is a part shortage that's that's hurting their Their supply and then there's part shortages in a lot of different industries out there Apple often is the cause because they go and they lock up orders ahead of time And they could keep plants at capacity to where they can't make parts for other people So we've talked about that before that could definitely be affecting nintendo and wouldn't be something they'd want to talk about publicly And nintendo does tend to be conservative In they don't like having big stockpiles of things around whether they are having flashbacks to like the Atari et days They just they don't keep these warehouses around they make sure they sell through really quickly. Yeah I I think there might be a A part of nintendo that understands that hey if we have temporary shortages, that ain't such a bad thing It builds up some hype and so they'll err on that side Sometimes in estimating their supply, but I don't think it's the main driver I don't I don't think it makes sense for them to not want to have enough of these devices on the shelves Yeah, and nintendo knows they have that luxury that their fans vote ways the people that want to switch We'll keep going to the stores. We'll keep checking amazon. We'll keep going ebay And like I really should just do the midnight launch next time stand in line and you know pay for my hockey for the next several years By selling on ebay You know, I I've I've never done that. I've never bought a thing just to sell it on ebay because it just I want some kid to have their toy. I don't want to be taking that away from them But I also know that my mom probably went to some some place like that to procure the things that we wanted for christmas as a Kid you're a better person than I am I was about to say that the math doesn't work out like my time in line is worth more than usually what I can sell it for But there's also that of like, you know, why do I want to be bilking some some poor person out of their money? Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes You can subscribe to our podcast daily tech headlines.com get it as a flash briefing on the amazon echo Or if you haven't downloaded it yet, you want to try it out anchor dot fm to get the anchor app You can just search anchor in the store. 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So let's get into youtube And google's daydream vr division launching a new format for virtual reality called vr 180 It's called 180 because it only shows you half of the 360 degree video Uh, they're basically saying look most people don't turn around And if they do turn around in vr, they look directly behind them. They don't really look around They're mostly looking in front of them. So you can save a lot of data And you could make things a whole lot easier if you just do 180 so vr 180 can be viewed just flat on a screen So it's easily adaptable to to a non 3d view You can do it in 3d on youtube or use your mouths to kind of pan around Or you can watch it in cardboard or daydream obviously google products or the playstation vr is supporting it as well They say they are trying to make it easy for creators to shoot vr Because if it's 360 you got to hide your cameraman somehow if it's 180 you just stand behind the camera like you do right now It'll eventually be editable in adobe premiere pro And like I said saves you data both in storage and in streaming They've got some cameras coming out from ye lenovo and lg this winter Uh youtube also announced a bunch of other things at vidcon youtube tv launching in 10 more us markets If you've been waiting it for it to come to yours you might want to check that out Also 1.5 billion logged in viewers per month on youtube spending more than an hour a day watching video on mobile But what do you think of vr 180 this idea of if we just cut half the sphere out it just makes a lot of things easier It does make a lot of things easier and and that it's so much easier for people without the headset to watch You're going to Possibly increase the attach rate if they're like oh, this is cool. I do want to see this in more dimensions, I guess So I like how they said oh, it'll be easier to shoot But not for a while because we don't have any of that stuff ready yet Yeah, we don't have the cameras for you yet It doesn't have to do the stitching either when you have a 360 degree video You have you have several different perspectives that have to be stitched together to make 360 It's a lot easier to just capture in 180 some cameras will actually capture 180 degrees or at least close to it at a time I I want to mock this because it's like really you're just cutting it in half But it makes so much it's one of those situations where I The more I think about it the more I think it's a very obvious good solution To a first step We may want 360 degree video we may figure out a use for that down the road But if what's keeping people from experimenting more with this Is that they can't figure out the difficulty of 360 make it easy because if suddenly I don't have to worry about the camera man Right. I'm just I'm the perspective There's a lot of logistics that becomes so much easier I will miss playing spot the camera man because that's my favorite thing But I am that person who will look for the boom mic and shots So I don't count on that but lowering this barrier to entry Uh, it lets a lot more people get involved. There are so many creative people who have ideas But not the budget to go straight to 360 So this this makes it a lot more approachable Yeah, I'd like to see it in gaming too, but I don't think that's going to happen I think they're pretty committed to the 360 because let's face it. You do turn around in video games You do turn around in video games and in video games other that you get the you would get the savings of the of the File size, but you don't have a camera man that you have to hide So it doesn't make that easier and you don't need new cameras in video games, right? So You're just capturing what's there. I I can't find much to complate about this except like you say the fact that the editing and the cameras aren't necessarily out yet Because I was like, oh, I'll do this. Oh, I have to go to youtube center. Well, oh, yeah Uh in the meantime though like once these come out a couple hundred dollars for this camera and and suddenly You you're I don't know it made me think about doing this in a way that I'd never before before I was like, why do I need to do 360 degree video? I mean it would be a novelty It really wouldn't add anything but suddenly when I'm just talking about okay. Well, what's in front of me? I mean, I I could I could see putting a 180 degree camera on me there And then I would I would only have to worry about to my right and my left. What do I do? What do I what do I I what do I make use of there and it just again? It just makes things Simpler it's that way that sometimes when you simplify things it makes them more useful I would love love love to see this in sports Like to show someone on the ice like just my 180 like going down what people look for that could be an amazing training tool It can there's a lot of things and I'm getting closer and closer to springing for a PlayStation VR So that it's supported in this is another reason But I'm also really lucky that like the Star Trek bridge crew isn't the next generation because I probably would have run out and bought it Made you drop that money right away that that yeah, I was like, oh, it's not tng. Well, I can wait So you're saying you'd like this mounted on like a four words Yeah, or goalie too. Yeah. Yeah, it's like the go pro like is the NHL and go pro did a promotion And there are some beautiful videos that came out of that So to have more of the wider field of view would be fascinating Yeah, I mean if you could put that live streaming on a goalie's head, suddenly I'm interested in watching sports in vr Because I'm getting like if I have both goalies and I could switch back and forth I'm getting the entire field of play pretty much Yeah, because the NHL added a ref cam this year, which has been great because then you see whether they Saw it or totally blew the call Right make the refs all wear 180 degree video the 180 degree video cameras will see more than the referees Because uh because this year they also added the blue line cameras. I guess the year before and uh They need to do reviews faster, but otherwise I like the idea I want to put it on the coaches now. I want to put it on everybody Well at that point you're getting the full perspective of the yeah Yeah, you're basically seeing what every eye in the in the place. See that's still so much bandwidth So much. Yeah, it's it is it's going to take a while for bandwidth Even at the reduced amount even at half the bandwidth. It's still a lot of bandwidth, but um You know what? I have to say this is probably one of the the the best ideas to push vr. Well and vr, but also more Surround video. We can't call it 360 degree video even it's uh, it's just it's it's half half 360 video I think about it as progression like it was a kind of a painful switch from sd to hd And now you know, there's the hd to 4k, but nobody's really interested in past 4k except for the edge cases My dad who loves movies does not care about a 4k thing because not enough things are in 4k So it's it's a slow progression and now it's happening in vr as well Well, and one of the issues with this kind of video is is the resolution just can't be as good Because of the bandwidth requirements But if you cut again the bandwidth requirement in half if you cut the data requirement in half You can have a higher resolution video. You can make that trade-off All right folks, uh, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them helps us figure out what to talk about our shaman story came from the subreddit at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com hat tip to uh strike it rich one I think is the one who had that get out there and vote dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Message of the day from Josiah says hey tom and jen I just listened to your conversation with justin Comparing and contrasting Travis Kalanick and Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, you both made some interesting points But I feel an important one is probably due to my bias as an educator I think the relative age difference between the two men is significant Mark Zuckerberg is eight years younger than Kalanick right now And was still in his formative years when he founded facebook and became a de facto celebrity A lot of his controversy happened before he was 21 Or while still literally growing up as a ceo of an international company Kalanick on the other hand was already in his 30s as he started to build uber Zuckerberg acting like a kid while he was still Effectively a kid is easier to understand and perhaps forgive than to see a grown man act immaturally If I can offer an analogy Zuckerberg was like a peter parker who messed around with prize fighting before he grew up And realized the responsibilities that came with his power Kalanick is more like Tony Stark who shows charisma and genius But ultimately comes to self-destructive tendencies. I hoping and beat back his demons and have a powerful second act Thanks for making my daily 60 mile commute. It is interesting and informative Thank you. Josiah. I think that is an incredibly good point that I had not thought about I didn't realize Zuckerberg was that much younger than Kalanick Definitely an age gap there And it makes a lot of sense that You would have a board Much more willing and likely to jump in and say, okay mark We'll let you be ceo But you need to take some advice from your elders when he's that young Versus a 30 year old ceo who's they're like, well, that would be disrespectful. He's a grown man He can make his own decisions Well, as a woman, I'm kind of biased on this from Yeah, I'm sure I don't have a lot of sympathy. In fact, none These mistakes are all of his own making Yeah, so you're you How do you feel about I don't know that you use a lot of these services to begin with No, I I've been anti-uber from the start and I have not and will not use it I was going to say do you use lift though? Do you use other services? No, I'm Surprisingly well served by my own car and now I'm in an area with much better transit Which is great. So I can leave the car at home a lot more Gotcha So because my question was going to be and you you basically answered it But my question was going to be will you trust uber now that they've cleared house? And sounds like you're like now But I'm also fortunate to not be in an area Where I would need some service like that because I've not served by any of the existing modes of transportation Uh, well personally, I have to say my biggest problem with uber As a user was that they didn't allow tipping in the app And now that they're adding that in once that shows up in the app for me and the fact that they've cleaned house I may start to judge more on performance But I've been using lift pretty consistently and I don't have a reason to not use them. They've they've been pretty great So what you see in the app may not necessarily be what the driver sees Yeah, and I've talked to drivers about that and they're like we can't tell We we're not sure like we get a tip check Um, but we're suspicious that it's accurate So, uh, if you can tip with cash And I've done that before with a driver that I was really happy with like I'm gonna make sure you get all of this But it but sometimes you just don't have cash and it's nice to have the option in the app All right, let us check in with len peralta to find out what he has been drawing based on our discussions today on the show Len, uh, yeah, you know, I was so happy to hear that striking rich had Had sent this in uh, because then it's you know, there's it's there's a fan base for this, you know Uh, I read the article about shaman making the uh, uh, the van go Portable, uh, mobile toilets, but I think there's a big missed marketing opportunity here Why couldn't they have just called it poober? Uh, so you so you think if if someone were to take shaman's idea and run with it that this is the obvious name for it Absolutely. I think that it's a missed marketing opportunity. I think uh, they're on to something but why not Why not, you know, why not just call it what it is now in your illustration? It appears that a person is both take advantage of the service and driving at the same time It's one of those things that I think this is my own personal, uh, uh, contribution to the idea I think not only can you have the drive the drive it can show up then you can drive and also Go to the bathroom as well. I think it's uh, you know, yeah your your person is driving from on top of Yeah, exactly it's letting people know What exactly is happening in this in this vehicle so that there's no questions and uh, you know, you just know what it is AJC suggests that he will be using the competitive service shift I like that. I like that. That's also a very good name I just realized that the uh, the van is also a has a flush handle And there's also toilet paper right there. All right, so a certain segment of the audience is going to absolutely adore this Everyone should go take a look at it at lennperaltestore.com. Yes on the front page of the of the store right now And if I may I have to say I lenn is doing a commission push again If you need something drawn You should go commission lenn as soon as I saw that he was doing this I immediately went and asked him to draw my dogs again He did an amazing drawing years ago of jango and soyer as private detectives And so I had him update that with my my with soyer who's still around in my new dog ray and it's been great Yeah, it was nice to to revisit them and and kind of updated I thought it was it was really cool life and i'm really happy the way it turned out So is uh, so yeah, definitely if you go to lennperaltestore.com It's lenn's ongoing commission sale and i'm just doing commissions all the time I'm sort of just going through the summer and uh, they just make great gifts or just a personal thing for yourself. So yeah, absolutely Ah, jen cutter. Uh, what do you got going on to tell folks about? Uh, well, I would say keep watching my twitter I've been on a bit of a break recently. So I want to take this time for personal plea Uh, my dad had been in the hospital for a while because of heart issues So if anyone has been putting off their physical or putting off getting themselves checked out if you have the means Please please please do it if not for you then for your family and friends That is a very good, uh plea that I will second Uh, I put off going to the doctor for a few years and was scared to go into the doctor And when I did I found out that I needed to wear shorts more often and take some metamucil But it could have been worse and two things happened one is I I set myself up for preventative medicine like you're saying jen So that if there is a problem, I will catch it and the other thing is I felt better after like knowing like, okay This is all the that it is. I don't have to worry about whether it'll go away. So yeah 100 second that If uh, folks want to catch uh, what you're doing, where should they go to follow you? At gen cutter is definitely the best place I will link everything there and I did just update Briefly my personal website where some non gaming blog posts will be the actual gaming stuff. We'll be showing up elsewhere Hopefully now that I'm back home again in the next couple weeks. 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Yeah, no i i get behind that and i'm not kidding like I I kept worrying like i wonder if this little pain is this or that And and going and just setting that all aside We'll just you won't realize how much it was worrying you and and and and like you say it will help you and your family and friends so 100% dark redeemer seconding it in the chat room as well Shnago says I have to share a vitamin d story with ace detect mega doses of d and living in shorts for two months Raised d from one to 17. Wow. Wow Living in shorts. I can't live in shorts, but i'm trying to wear more Well, you guys are used with sun, right? Yeah, there's that too. Well, vitamin d is huge. I i'm low on that I take supplements But since I moved down here, I've stopped but I probably should To be able to go outside Again, I will supplement vitamin d. You do you go out in your lawn Also b12 turns out that I was low on b12 and supplementing that made a huge difference That is a big thing for Um women I had no idea Well, I the only reason I know it's because my wife has That issue as well. I guess according to her doctor. It's a It's a thing for women as they get older Just like men need to take a bunch of other stuff that I don't take And honestly, that's the kind of stuff you can be following a really good recommended diet But without having your doctor Look you over and do tests and interpret them You're you're not getting as accurate of a representation of what you do and don't need Yeah, I had to start supplementing once I became lactose intolerant because I didn't I thought I was supplementing enough other stuff, uh with my diet changes But I wasn't I wasn't close in some of them Yeah, well me eating a half gallon worth of ice cream every week isn't suitable Is it a good replacement for drinking milk? Ice cream I'm really happy. I'm not anemic anymore. Yay. Oh good. Yeah, I'm now in the low end of normal But I'm all funny is my wife went in and she had low iron, which is also pretty typical for females and uh And then I went in and my doctor's like you have almost too much iron You it's not one not not a problem, but you're like way high I'm like, yeah, because we're just starting cooking all this iron rich food for my way I need to Oh, no, no, no, no. Good. I was just saying I I didn't really realize What bad shape I was until my gout hit and I was like, ah, it really sucks. And then the doctor tells me, oh You know, I was eating spinach. I love spinach. I was eating turkey, which is good And then I was eating mushrooms turns out all three of the worst things for gout But um No, definitely it's it's very interesting because there's a lot of things you can Nip in the bud before they become issues And that's really the the number one reason they just get regularly checked up.   I didn't drink because I was so used to getting blood It's not just eat, but pay attention to doctor instructions And the ones that weren't given yes, yes But yeah, like sick. Whoa.  They're like slapping I guess the nurse is like, oh, did I do something wrong? I I broke this one. Yeah, we're covered for this, right? We're covered for it I'm gonna go with go you can go ahead and read some more of the titles, but I think I'm going with jen is okay with vr 180 tom agrees Yeah, the other ones are shaman's new dump truck, which is funny but kind of gross This is note. This is note the android you're looking. Oh, this is note the android you're looking for What you care about versus what your dad cares about Hoover take note of the next galaxy swipe for swipe We love lend the switch sources are not intentional. I voted for that one Intentional or we love lend Yeah, we's we we's on wheels On the van go Can you imagine if you break too hard? It's gotta think about it what happens when you break one hopes that they have a very stable and well tested system a special shock system On the interior bed and storage storage system as well. Yeah Sure, it's like an RV. The RV has this down you can so, you know They usually tell you not to use it when it's moving. No, not when it's moving. Yeah Wait, you're saying if you break while you're using it while it's moving don't use it while it's moving blame apple virtual the vr google does a 180 on vr google half asses vr What's rich? It's 180 half half surround. We're gonna have to add a warning to lens illustration that says please Car shown for in motion for comic effect do not replicate. Yeah, please please do not do that Well, the thing what's interesting is the 180 is very interesting because really you see a lot of stuff in your peripheral vision That you normally don't think about but you notice motion, right? And so that's what snaps your head Around so that'd be cool. Let me down with that Save money on the other half um Cooper really they just need to it's You know, here's one objection that I didn't think of when we were doing the show What about if you see that and it's because you said that if I see something and I turn I I'm not going to see half the field of view If there's something in the corner, you'd have to hope that the director would Try to keep the edges like the tv safe kind of barrier You don't you don't want you don't want people to turn too far So you try to keep the action a little more centered so it turns so it turns back to being just the six by nine hd square She did this box I I'm telling you the second they make a next-generation bridge crew. I am buying it. I don't even care if it's Oh, is that the um star trek? Yeah, that's what where you see all the hands go like this because there's just no good way to have Hands in the area Where you it's a it's a free application.  So everyone takes a role Like I was that one No, I think it's the same one that was turned into the vr. Isn't it? Is it it's this one behind the crew? Well, like everyone was part of the crew like there was like five people five actual people in the room with me I try to remember starship, but it was really interesting because like, you know the captain gives orders and you post a follow and It's it's it's a pretty it's a pretty cool setup I'm trying to remember the name of it I did it like six years ago In the alley it wouldn't surprise me if it's the same team that made these no, I think I'm pretty sure it is that they got a license They're like, wait, we can make money It's it's pretty fun. I mean, um, I don't I'm not big. See this thing.  I have to buy children's helmets like well intermediate not full Just because like the adult ones. They're so big. They just keep like falling forward on me At least you can find them in the store. Everything I need is a special order shoes Oh, I'm sorry. We don't have triple E 11 halves. You're gonna have to buy them online There's why I only buy one set of shoes You're not tall Like you're like you're not massively tall.  You're not like most guys in a lot of ways I'm not like most people Then my eyes Hey roger check out that link in irc artemus That's it I remember that. Oh that game was great. Do nots Have you played it? I have not but I am definitely looking at it now I need copy link Um You just need to set up on a bunch of machines and then get a bunch of people together To play but it's really cool. Like, you know, you have one guy show the orders and each person takes A station of a crew member on the ship like science officer weapons helmsmen It's a good way to larp star trek really, which it's exactly what the vr Is is doing except it's doing it for vr instead of having to be all in the same place With less janky arm waving Well, this one I like I like the Artemis bridge spaceship bridge. I'm really because um, it's kind of like a board game In a way because you're interacting With everyone else In that way. I guess I don't know What do I know? What do I know tom? Yeah, I can't find any uh anything except people saying that star trek bridge crew is like Artemis um I can't find any any clear connection between the two It certainly is the same kind of thing though But uh, I was at one point. I was thinking of maybe Pitching a revamp of that called. Uh, are we there yet where you simulate? A family travel to a national park in a car and one person takes the place of the father slash driver The mother slash navigator and the two kids in the back Now if you come from a family with more than two kids, you can make it a minivan It's devastation like Sounds like desert bus with more yelling But really that's pretty much what every revocation road trip with your family is Are we there yet? Can we eat there? Stop there.  Yeah I found what they called it But it was just like so i'm just going to sit in the back of my car Is that what it's called? No, I don't I'm just guessing Okay Well folks now that we have exhausted your patience with our talk of And invented the puber rv We know it's money if you depend royalties. Yep Please hang out with us again next time On hat friday. Yeah on on hat friday. And by the way, I uh, I keep meaning to to read this email from pat Pat suggested Questions to be asked during the pre and post show that maybe could be submitted by patrons and and and put a lot of them Out there. So pat. I definitely got your email and I've been meaning to read it And we'll try to get to them eventually. That's actually a good idea. Yeah, I like it It gives us it gives us a direction to talk Like an off topic and about things people actually want to know about. Yeah. Yeah Not that talking about Puber rv Or breakfast cereals as we talked about in the pre show, you know, it could be dating advice. Tom. It could be total No, it could be legal advice. We'll give we'll give out we'll talk about it I'm not gonna give dating advice to people


the first time in 2023, which is very new and fresh, we welcome you to this or show, which is Human Humane Architecture on Think Tech Hawaii. And today's episode is going to be called the Danish Boston Boost with guest Matt Noblett, who is the leader of the firm, Danish architect in Boston. And we have the Soto Brown in his Bishop Museum in Honolulu, Hawaii. And we have me, Martin de Spang, back in Munich, Germany. So quite spread out legs. And in this episode, we will further talk about how some tempered architecture and it's doing well in the short summer can give us inspiration for our endless summers back in Honolulu. So happy new year to everyone again. And with this view here, this gets us back to what connects us because that's where we all met in person the first time at the end of the last year. So the Soto, tell us what this picture here, well, we see what it is, it is Honolulu, we see the skyline, and we see an explosion there. But tell us the circumstances in fact. This is the celebration of the new year, 2023, coming to us in Honolulu. And this is a view of Waikiki on the right and an explosion, as you said, of fireworks in the sky on the left. And I took this picture looking from my family home on the slopes of Diamond Head looking towards Waikiki. And as I think it might be, this is the first time in 40 years or thereabouts that I've watched this new year's celebration from the Spanish point, because I haven't lived in my family house for many years, because I live in my own house nearby Papahulu. And the point is, my mother, who was 102 years old, is unfortunately, or realistically nearing the end of her life, I will be moving into this house. It is an Asapoff designed house, Vladimir Asapoff, famous local architect. So I will be immersing myself fairly soon in the care and feeding of a house from 1948, which is going to occupy a lot of my time, but I think will be enjoyable. So that's how I'm starting 2023. And thank you for asking. All right. Thanks for sharing again. Sorry about your mom, but I appreciate your point of view of hanging set. She had a very good and long life. Absolutely. Since 1920, and that's a lot of stuff to have seen and experienced. So she was looking down here at a newborn and didn't even see the Royal Hawaiian down there, because that was 10 years later, right? Well, no, yeah, she was she was in 1920, there was no Royal Hawaiian hotel. There was only the Moana hotel. And this is the view that I grew up looking at from when when I was born, just in my lifetime, Aloha Tower at 10 stories was the tallest building in the entire Hawaiian Islands. So I've seen Honolulu go from no high rise buildings to hundreds and hundreds of high rise buildings. Indeed. And I put in that little caption at the bottom there. And then it was all over the news that our German minister of defense was criticized for having wished everyone a new year by standing in Berlin at the time of fireworks where their cell phone supposedly so the technical quality wasn't anywhere, well, any anywhere close to what we get here from you, Eric, and from think tech.  But Matt, you and I talked and said maybe the the reaction to that was was was a little overboard. Because myself, I can say how can you look at explosions and not think about the explosions that are going on at in the Ukraine for not leisure purpose, but causing pain and death. So I give her that. And again, the way she said it and the whole, you know, setting maybe wasn't the most wasn't the best. But that being said, let's get to the next slide, which is a compilation of many things here. But at the bottom right, we have this is the star advertiser, the online version of it that I scroll through. And we have, of course, the daily coverage of the disaster that is going on in the Ukraine. But unlike almost now nearing a year ago, where it was the main thing, right, we unfortunately almost got used to it. And some way less, you know, tragic in the scope. I mean, still bad enough is the news above it. And maybe I leave this up to you when you heard about that, because it kind of speaks about how desperate we Germans tried to have the tropics here in Germany, which is impossible climatically, because tropical fish can never live in frigid cold water, right? But we still try hard. So I leave it up to you guys to explain what that is and what incident happened there. Well, there was a huge cylindrical aquarium in the lobby of a hotel in Berlin, largest tallest aquarium in the entire world. And as you said, it was filled with tropical fish, because the Germans love to look at things and dream about the tropics. And it unfortunately burst. And fortunately, however, it occurred at 550 a.m., just before 6 a.m. So two people were injured, but nobody was killed or badly hurt. And that was because nobody was up at 6 o'clock in the morning in this building. So now, except for the fish and they have, of course, died. And the amount of water was so extreme that it broke through the front of the facade of the building into the street. So yes, it is a sign of desperation to try to create the tropics in the temperate zone. But I do have to say, I have read that this is the warmest winter on record, possibly in Europe to the point where there isn't in the Alps, there's a real lack of snow. So you may be having tropical fish in the water sooner than you think. You're getting an A for your weekly German lesson to soldier, because right above that, what you just intuitively translated, record temperature on Sylvester, which is New Year's Eve, 20 degrees Celsius in Munich. And do a little material science here. The material of that aquarium was actually not glass, but plexiglass. But from the background of your office, the the root of your guys office met, you want to talk about where plexiglass has been used in which project. And for that matter, please get us the top right image of what we see there, Matt. Well, I mean, plexiglass is used not not infrequently in building construction, because obviously it's transparent qualities, but the fact that it weighs far less than glass. So it's a lot easier to support. And probably one of the biggest uses of it, at least up until that time was the Munich Olympic Stadium and in Southern Germany that was built for the 1972 Olympic Games, which has a giant cable net structure that's clad with with plexiglass plexiglass panels that have weathered quite well over the years. They had to be replaced once so far, but are really a kind of a key material component to one of the more successful projects of, I think really the 20th century in terms of modern contemporary architecture. Yeah, and we've talked about this quite a bit before the Soto as well, right, about the project. And if you're probably not fast enough as I was last minute, thanks to you, Matt, because when we talked last time, you said what, you haven't seen that amazing exhibit. So I we rushed there and saw it in the last couple of days. And us, as you see up there, our Günther, Günther Desfang, looking at your Günther Benus, and you have a Frey model, one of Frey-Auto's models in front of it. And then talking about, you know, authenticity and appropriateness of materiality in the built environment, on the left part of this image here, you see semi-MI before we left, stopped by you, the Soto, you prepare about as far as timely. We went to Hanama Bay.  And then I have its creator, Francis Oda, once at Eddo Komomo talk story, talk about the visitor center. And we see this in the picture at the bottom, in the bottom in the middle there. And he explained it as to be sort of camouflaged and hidden and almost seeming like natural. But the irony is that, as sad as it is that the natural coral bleaches, this stuff here, which is all fake and man-made, is also bleaching. And you see kind of cracks in there and some fiberglass coming through. And that's kind of almost that running for me. If you consider what Hanama Bay has been the scene for a movie, that is very representative for your youth to Soto and statehood. And maybe you want to talk about that and also about the show quotes of the architecture that is portrayed in that movie. Well, the movie that we're talking about is Blue Hawaii from 1961, which stars Elvis Presley. And you can see in the lower left corner, there's Elvis and his so-called girlfriend, whose name is supposedly Miley Duvall. And they hang out at Hanama Bay in the course of this film. And entirely fictitious, Elvis lives there for a time in a coconut shack, which is constructed by him and his Beach Boy friends. Well, in reality in 1961, it was no such thing like that there at all. But they did film a number of scenes there. And the other thing about Blue Hawaii, which is kind of wonderful for us, is you do get to see some of the architecture of the time in color on the big screen. You definitely, for example, frequently see in Shots of Foto Lulu, the Alamoana building, which was brand new at that time. And it had no other buildings around it. So it really stood out. And it has La Ronde on the top, the rotating restaurant. And it is a building we like because it was so innovative for its time. And you also get to see the Cocoa Palms Resort Hotel on Kauai. That was also a new and modern thing at the time that this film was made as well. Yeah, we see these two projects show quoted in the center there of this slide here. So these are the projects. And these projects are, they're not, they're, of course, you would say, you know, interpretive. They don't have anything to do with indigenous means and methods and practices. But the, on the very left, this is the marketplace, international marketplace, which architecture by Pete Wimberley, and also the one at the very right of these three is the Cocoa Palms, which you said this is also by Pete Wimberley. So these are buildings that try to basically be an interpretation of the vernacular and do it sort of here and now in modern times and some a little bit more romantic about the pre-contact architecture, but the Alamoana building in a very, very modern way that we once said, you know, could have been by the office of Banish in the approach they did it. So let's go to the next slide because we have to fly then and basically miss all this one here luckily. But tell us a little bit about the craziness of whether that was going on in your area around the Christmas times, Matt. Well, we had in the span of about 36 hours, we had a swing of about 51 degrees in temperature. The days leading up to Christmas and over the Christmas holiday was around 11 degrees Fahrenheit here. And then it warmed up on Monday and Tuesday to I think it was in the mid to high fifties at that point. So but we were really just experiencing kind of the tail end of a storm that really was catastrophic in a lot of parts of the country, Buffalo, Western New York and other areas in the Midwest, tremendous amounts of snow and obviously that beat havoc with air travel as well. As we see here in some ways, there's one picture of the very bottom right that you both and I do got a kick out of it because that thing that you also just experienced in your youth when you live there out there in that area in the cold and you promise yourself you never want to go back to there.  What is that? What is this about? The photograph we just saw is snow, real snow from the top of Mauna Kea.  Like they were having a white Christmas. Well, that's as much snow as I prefer to deal with if I have to deal with snow at all. But as it happened, we also happened to have had a significant storm here for us that dropped a lot of snow on the top of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa. And I read that at one point, the snow plow on Mauna Kea plowing the road to the summit encountered drifts as deep as 10 feet. So that's a goodly amount of snow here in the tropics. So sometimes the winter comes to the tropics like tropics come to the winter land of Germany. But in that case, it's artificial, not real. Okay, there you go. And from the second skin of your folks there, we can see that the ambient temperature that actually makes the snow melt pretty fast, right, is still the endless summer one. While again, in these temperate climates that you are building mats, buildings have to do it all. They got to keep you warm in this brutal wintertime and they got to keep you cool in the summertime. And once again, you choke what at the top ride, your very sort of inaugural project there, the gensheim building that we covered in the last couple of shows, is doing that fairly sufficiently in all seasons in a biochromatic way in a post-fossil way. This was the first lead platinum building, right in America. Yeah, first lead commercial lead platinum or building of its size in North America. And yeah, I mean, I think that part of the art of that kind of design lies in realizing that not necessarily, you know, in the winter, you don't have to replicate summer conditions. And in the summer, you don't necessarily have to replicate winter conditions. That's just what everybody's gotten accustomed to, right, that interior temperature should be stabilized to a degree that no place on earth ever experiences. And so part of I think our approach is to get people, is to sort of reintroduce people to the idea that even interior climates can vary quite broadly. And you don't need to expend enormous amounts of energy to create kind of fake environments, right, that people don't really need. Absolutely. And we see maybe probably coincidentally on this compilation of images here, we see a lot of transportation going on, obviously, challenged in on icy roads where, you know, trucks get off the road and cars and then, you know, talking trucks, trucking the snow down from Onakea, your folks did, or you see that guy down there on skis at Times Square, which this is. So talking transportation, as we talked in the last show, Honolulu, as we said, doesn't have any of these conditions. So bicycling is actually might be the preferred means of transportation, which should be fostered more. And that gets us to the next slide. And we talked there, I just put it in words that Ben is his name, which I was missing out and blanking on last time, who's the guy at Makali Bicycle at the repair shop, who goes back way with Jay as together having been bicycle pioneers. And this is that what you recommended to us, Matt, and there's some snapshots here from that show in Germany that this colleague of ours here does on that tandem where you sit next to each other. And we, again, we said, you know, this is the longest German lesson for you to solo because it's all in German. But anyways, it's worth watching, as we said. And at the bottom right is us in our second PI mobile that you kindly host also the solo things for that. And Matt, you said, you guys should actually be on that tandem and do your shows, right? And how great would it be you bicycle to Kakaako and then the camera could go up just to the, you know, build environment you should talk about? I think it would be fantastic. Assuming you survive, assuming you survive. Yeah, yeah, there is that. There's there's some danger involved in this thing. It's not just fun. So yeah, we will pass this continue to pass this on to Jay and probably back to Ben. He can build such a vehicle here replicating. Okay, that being said, in the six minutes left, let's still go back to the to Harvard and your building. He designed there for the engineering school and go to the next slide and just quickly refresh our memories about the context where it is in, you know, this is this is a home game for you guys because Harvard in your town. So quickly explain us here the positioning of the project. Yeah, so this was this was a piece of land or a collection of lands that Harvard has acquired over many years since the 90s. In the lower left hand side part of the slide here, you can see the old Harvard stadium that kind of U shaped building and all the buildings to the to the northeast of that that's the Harvard Business School. But most of the other parts of what's inside this dotted red line had been acquired with the intention of expanding the campus on the south side of the Charles River, which is the big blue stripe going through the slide. And so in in 2006, we were invited to and ultimately won an international design competition for what was to be the first set of constructions on this piece of land, one of the pieces the primary pieces of land that that had been acquired as part of this overall effort to expand Harvard's campus. Yeah. And if you go back to the previous shows, you explain more in depth and in detail how you approach the side. But let's jump to the next slide right away, which seems to be maybe getting ahead of the game, but I don't think so. It's actually pretty much the order you had them in already for your presentation at our School of Architecture, which we always remind the the emerging generation to take an inside out designed approach versus like a mobile zarts and postmodern as the latest and outside imminent approach where you create a form and then you sort of smash function and people in there. As you always, you know, say rightly so, of course, then, you know, the building, you know, will take on an appearance and aesthetics and in best case, the pleasant one, but it's not designed that way around to make something pretty from the outside and then you kind of again shove shove it out and push something in. So that's why we want to jump right into the building here and experience it in its heart and core. So explain us more. Well, yeah, so I mean, I think this is what you're seeing in this slide is two two images of really the same space. But it's really it's it's really an important space for the building because what it does is kind of carves out a zone in the middle of the building where through this large glass wall that has daylight enhancing light shelves on the outside, we can really bring daylight deep into the building. So this atrium space, which kind of organizes all the program around it, allows daylight to be more broadly distributed throughout the building to make sure that the deeper spaces, particularly research spaces, which tend to be very deep floor plate spaces where people are working all the time and really should have access to daylight, if not to the views outdoors, need what this space brings in. So the space functions as a kind of a community center for the whole building. People, you know, know where they are because they can find this space and they can see across it and they know what's happening on other floors in the building and they can jump on these stairs or these bridges to get to those places. But at the same time, it's also serving a very performance kind of function in terms of ensuring that people have equitable access to sort of natural phenomenon. Absolutely. And, you know, with the background of the first two slides, explaining our different climates and climate changes and things, again, imagine this in there's probably going to be more cold to come before, you know, summer again. So there's a lot of snow piling up outside and a lot of subzero temperatures, but it's going to feel pleasant in the building without the expense of fossil fuel. The building is mainly biochromatically powered and for us probably more interesting to see the right when it becomes summer, which we have all the time. The building is going to stay cool the same way, again, without creating artificially chilled spaces by burning fossil fuel.  I mean, you just you just feel it, right? You see the people, they're comfortable in the address, you know, one of the things that's always one of the things that I always find interesting is when I'm showing people this building in the different spaces, how many of them who are not architects or designers, even necessarily just say, it just feels good in here, like I it's a place I want to be. I see professors who are not necessarily part of the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences working in the atrium, making the trip over from Cambridge and one of them I was, I know him and I spoke with him briefly and he said, he's like, you know, I just come over here because I just like being here. It's a nice space and it's comfortable and it's well-lit and I can't find anything like it elsewhere in Cambridge. You know, the other thing that this comes to mind when I look at this and again, I'm a layperson, I'm not an architect or designer, but this is a very modern up-to-date building, but it does incorporate to me what seems like a very old concept of a courtyard because buildings for many, for millennia, have been built with courtyards in different societies and different cultures throughout the world in which you open up a central part of the building and in doing so to the open air, obviously, you have light and you have air circulation and you're closer to nature. Now, obviously, in a traditional courtyard building, you don't have the protection of walls or a ceiling over it, you just open, but I think this does seem to be not unlike that concept. It's really not unlike that at all. And I think the only thing you could say is it's been adapted for a cold weather climate, which is to say it's using glass and roof to make that a year-round experience, the kind of winter garden concept. Okay, that had to be the final note because we're at the end of another exciting 28 minutes, so we will dive more deeply into how this building does it and all its whistles and bells and little secrets that you will share with us that we're looking forward to. So, see you next week for that and until then, you guys all stay Tropically Exotic, Exotically Tropical wherever you are. I will.