like a common criminal, and I didn't mean it. You know I didn't. Oh, stop whining, Gerald. Take your medicine like a man. What? All right, Harvey. I'll stop. You're responsible for the whole thing. You know you are. And since they can only hang me once, even for two murders. BAM! Midnight, the witching hour when the night is darkest, our fears the strongest, and our strength and its lowest damn midnight when the graves keep open and death strikes. How? You learn the answer in just a minute, then. Death's Goblet. It was Masters of the Macabre. Our story by Sigmund Miller is Death's Goblet. Joel began at one of Arthur Cunningham's parties. He always gave a party when he came back from one of his trips abroad. I went there with Gerald, my partner, and his wife, Susan. Beautiful Susan. Did I care for her? People used to say so. But she was too self-centered a woman for me. Now I like to look at her just as I like to look at anything that's lovely. That was all. As for Gerald, well, he was rich, which was the only reason he was my partner. But suppose I start at the beginning. At the moment we got to the party, and Arthur came over. Well, hello, Harvey. Glad you came. Wonderful to see you back, Arthur. You know Gerald and his lovely wife, Susan. Of course. Hello, lovely wife, Gerald. Nice to see you again, Arthur. Good trip, aren't you? Marvelous. You're just in time for a drink. Let's get away from this mob. Come into the study. I just opened my last bottle of Chateau Albert. Here we are. Oh, well, someone get the glasses out of the cabinet, will you? The bad part is making very nervous, you know. I'm much proud of you. Here you are. Hi. What an odd goblet this one is. Oh, put that one back, Susan. Why, what's wrong, Arthur? Use any of the others, but not that one. Oh, I'll be careful of it, if that's what you're worried about. It's not that. I just don't want you to drink from it. What's all the mystery about, Arthur? Well, you'd all think I was mad if I told you. Take a look at it. It's a very strange-looking glass. Yes, it looks Venetian, possibly from Murano. It is. This red spot here on the side. Yes, it's supposed to be a drop of blood. That's very odd. How do you know that? Well, Gerald, this goblet has a legend, a terrible legend.  Oh, that's wonderful. And you believe it? Well, yes, Gerald. You see, I've had proof. Oh, heavens. I, well, I once drank from this goblet. What? You're joking. You mean that you... Yes, Susan, it was justifiable homicide. But after I drank from it, I did kill someone. He was a thief, and he attacked me. But still, I killed him. Well, you never told us about that. It was not anything that I care to remember, particularly. Oh, how terrible for you, Arthur. Where did you get the goblet? From a murderer.  They were auctioning off his estate. Extraordinary. May I look at the glass, Arthur? Yes, if you like. Everyone stared at the goblet in silence as I held it to the light. It had a delicate brown tint, reminding me of old blood, except that it sparkled and glittered. The spot of red did look like a drop of blood about to roll down the side. It seemed ridiculous that this inanimate object could make men commit murder, and yet there was something about it that fascinated me, and suddenly I wanted to drink out of it. You seem very interested in my goblet, Harvey. Yes, will you pour some wine in it for me? What? No, Harvey. This happens to be one superstition, I believe. Everyone who has ever put his lips to this goblet has killed. I don't know why it's so, but it is. It's silly, of course, but why can't fate? No nonsense, Gerald Nonsense. I'm going to drink out of it. You'll have to pour the wine yourself, Harvey. All right, I will. Well, here's health and long life. No, Harvey, I won't let you. Well, Susan, you shouldn't have done that. You've spilled some of Arthur's best burgundy and ruined a good tablecloth. It doesn't matter. I'm glad you did it, Susan. I won't let you or anyone else drink from that glass. It's strange to get so distressed about a ridiculous legend.  You know, I'd like to get rid of it. I was thinking of destroying it. Well, why don't you just fling it against the fireplace? No, I can't. I've tried several times, but somehow I couldn't. Um, Arthur. Yes? How about giving it to me? I'd rather not. Oh, come on. You want to get rid of it, and I have a fine glass collection. I'd like to add to it. I'll keep it locked up. You'll be sorry, but if you want it that badly, Harvey, it's yours. Arthur, please don't give it to him. Susan, what's the matter with you? You watch over Harvey as if well as if. As if what? Gerald? Oh, the whole business is absurd. Of course it is. Yes, and if I should drink out of it and commit a murder, that would be the most absurd thing of all. Ha, ha, ha. I kept the goblet on the mantelpiece in my library where the lamp light made it glitter. I discovered that the red drop was not paint. It was ingrained in the glass. Oh, very cleverly. One night, both Susan and Gerald were at my home. As we chatted, I got up, went to the mantelpiece, and idly toyed with the goblet. That goblet? It's the one Arthur gave. Yes, yes, you remember, he gave it to me. Why don't you smash it, Harvey, get rid of it. Oh, it gives us all the creeps. Well, Gerald, you aren't really afraid of a piece of glass, are you? You don't believe Arthur's story at all, do you, Harvey? On the contrary, Susan, I do believe it, but not the way you think. What do you mean? Well, I mean to say, murder is not in the goblet. It's in me, and you, even in Gerald.  Oh, yes, you don't need a magic goblet to commit a murder. All you have to do is let yourself go.  Why, Gerald, if you had cause, you could murder me or even your lovely wife. Oh, I couldn't kill a fly. Oh, but you could if the fly gave you enough trouble. Now, supposing, just as an example, supposing that you discovered that Susan was really in love with me and only married you for your money, wouldn't that make you want to murder a Gerald? Harvey, you're crazy. That's not very funny, Harvey. Even you, Susan. What? Even though you have a lovely face and exquisite hands, even you could commit murder. Well, there must have been times when you hated Gerald only for a moment, of course, but in that moment. Eh, in that moment, if you were not so civilized. Stop it, Harvey. Why, you could even put your lovely hands around my throat. Oh, stop it, Harvey. You're not that important to her, and then just why are we on this gruesome subject? That's Harvey's idea of humor. Susan looked at me a touch of red at the point where the cheekbones make the skin taut. She seemed angry, but she wasn't really. Oh, yes, she loved me. I could see it in her face.  May I look at the goblet, Harvey? No, I'm afraid not, Susan. You might accidentally drop it. You might be a good idea. Well, I have an even better one, Gerald, and that's to go home before we get really serious about this murder business. I sat there staring at the goblet after they left. It fascinated me, glittering in the lamp light. And as I looked at it, it almost seemed as if the red spot of blood was moving, rolling down its side. Why shouldn't I drink from it? Why? And before I knew it, I'd taken it down and put it on the table. I got a bottle of burgundy, opened it, and I poured slowly, filling the goblet just up to the red spot. And then I drank from it. It seemed to me that the wine had a different taste, although I drank this wine often and knew it's taste well. It was delicious. I had another. It was heady. And it made me a little dizzy, although I felt fine and free. Yes, light and dizzy. But after a while, when the dizziness wouldn't go away, I decided to go for a drive, even though it was close to midnight. I drove fast. The speed and power of the car gave me a feeling of great exhilaration. I took the turns at full speed, enjoying the danger of the sharp curves. Then I came to a long-level stretch of road. I pressed down hard on the gas.  And then I suddenly saw him, but it was too late. I struck him with my right fender. He never made a sound. The car swerved a little from the impact. My heart and my throat, I stopped. Then I backed up, backed up to where the body was lying, sprawled grotesquely on the edge of the road. One look was enough. He was dead. But no one had seen the accident. I stepped on the gas and drove off. Death's goblet and the man who drank from it, the corpse lying limp by the side of a lonely road. And the car speeding away as the clock strikes 12th floor. Murder! Harvey challenged the curse of the goblet and found it true. He had just killed a man after drinking from it. Let's listen to him as he continues the story of Death's Goblet. I knew now that the story of the goblet wasn't a myth, and I also knew what I was going to do about it. The next night, I got Gerald to come to my house to do some work. I can't make head or tail out of your cost estimates, Harvey. Well, now, really, Gerald is very simple. Just concentrate. Why can't you take care of it like a good fellow? I'm awfully tired. Well, all right, let's stop for a couple of minutes. Have a drink. What are you doing, Harvey, the goblet? Why, you don't really believe that story of ours, do you? You're much too intelligent for that. Well, you only pretended in front of Susan, didn't you? Well, I... Yes, I had to pretend you know women. Well, of course. And even if you did believe it, I have a feeling that basically you're pretty reckless, aren't you? It used to be pretty wild when I was a young fella. On the motorcycle once. Yes, yes, I know, yes. Well, let's drink up. Find me a victim, will you, Gerald? Well, you know, according to the legend, I've got to murder someone. Maybe even you. Harvey the murderer. Yes. Mmm, very nice wine. Well, here's to your lovely wife. And how about switching glasses? Well, you might as well get a kick out of it, too. Well, okay, here goes. I watched the fool's swagger as he drank down the wine. In an hour, when he was alone, he'd be shivering with fright at what he'd done. Well, I did it. You certainly did. By the way, Gerald... I checked Arthur's story about this goblet. And it seems that he's right. Everyone who ever put his lips to this goblet has committed a murder. You mean, well, of course, it's all coincidence, but then again, who knows? All the next week, I kept reminding Gerald about his drinking from the goblet. I wasn't really trying to get him to kill, but it was amusing to see him get upset and uneasy. And I noticed he was getting a little bolder, particularly with Susan, and had developed a temper. And one night, just as I was about to retire... Harvey? Yes, Susan, how are you? I'm at 11 o'clock now. Do you know where he might be? Why, he's having dinner with his sister. His sister? Yes, a tall, dark girl. She was in the office today. Someone else? Yes, yes. It was Les Gordon who was meeting his sister. Yes, Gerald had some business to take care of over in Milford. Things were beginning to happen. It was becoming very interesting. Now we'd see. I must know, who is this girl? Take it easy, Susan.  Never mind that. What about Gerald? I don't know anything about Gerald's private life. And besides, you're not the one to talk. What on earth do you mean? You know perfectly well what I mean. I'm not here for Gerald. Actually, you're in love with me. Harvey. Well, you are. Aren't you? Maybe. Sometimes I think I am. But you're too cold-blooded. I'd never be sure I could trust you. As a matter of fact, you'd like to get rid of Gerald. Why do you say that? Well, I'm just putting your thoughts into words. You never really loved him, did you?  Oh, Harvey, if you only knew. Do you know that the last time Gerald was here, he drank out of that goblet of Arthur's? It's possible that he wants to get rid of you too.  Well, I'm just telling you what I think you ought to know. Oh, we'll see. I left word at home that Gerald was to meet me here. And if he does come, well, we'll see. We sat and waited, not talking much. Susan's face was pale and agitated. It was most exciting. Susan, with all her charm and embellishments, was really a fierce animal underneath. I could almost hear her rage seething. Are you expecting anyone? Just Gerald. Well, let him in. Hello, Harvey. Susan, what's up? Why did you leave word to meet you here? It's almost midnight. Where have you been all the evening? At Milford. With whom? What's going on, anyway? What are you so excited about, Susan? What were you doing in Milford? Why, I went there on business. Oh, really? You've been behaving very strangely lately, Gerald. If you don't love me, why don't you say so like a man? What? This is all your fault, Harvey.  I had nothing to do with this. I told her that you went to Milford. All he did was to make me see clearly something I felt for a long while. And I think this is the time to do something about it. So how are you out of your mind? Put that gun down. You remember it, don't you? You gave it to me. Said it might be useful in an emergency. Harvey, take that gun away from her. She's liable to shoot. She won't shoot. She's only trying to frighten you. Am I? Let's see. Oh, my shoulder. Give me that gun. No. Give me that gun. Harvey, she's dead. Yes, Gerald.  But it was an accident. She shot at me. And I was only trying to get the gun away from her. You know that's what happened.  What?  You planned all this so that you could get rid of me. So that you could have Susan. You could have the firm for yourself. You'll have to do better than that to beat the gallows, Gerald. The gallows? Please, Harvey, we've been friends for a long time. You can't let me down. You wouldn't have pressed the trigger if you hadn't had murder in your heart, Gerald. You shot her because you wanted to. That's what I saw. I believe in telling the truth. Harvey, I'll turn over the business to you. I'll do anything. Anything. If you'll just... I don't accept bribes, Gerald. All right. But I'll fool you. I'll call the police myself. Well, there's the phone. I'll prove my case in court. They won't convict me. Operator. Operator. Give me the police. Hello? Police department? This is Gerald Hamilton. I just accidentally shot my wife and my friend's home. Yes, she's dead. The address is 411 Grove Street. That's right. I killed her accidentally. Yes. I'll be waiting here. Cigarette, Gerald?  Well, I'm not going to die. All I have to do is tell the truth about everything, including you. Oh, but you forget, Gerald, there must be fingerprints. Your fingerprints on that gun. That won't look very accidental, will it? I... But... But Harvey... You did it, Gerald. I saw you.  Please, Harvey. Don't let them do that to me. Please. Oh, stop whining, Gerald. What? All right, Harvey. I'll stop.  You know you are. Since they can only hang me once. He raised the gun, but I'd been expecting it. I grabbed his hand, pushed it against his chest. My finger pressed on his hand on the trigger. And suddenly, he went limp. You won't get away. My alibi was perfect. All I had to do was wait for the police that he himself had called. The minutes ticked slowly away. And then Arthur... Well, I found you in. See, you look as if you'd been in a fight. Arthur, you'd better not come in. Why? What's the matter? No, you'd better not come in. Oh, but why? Well, Gerald and Susan, they had a quarrel and he killed her. What? And then he shot himself. What are you talking about, Harvey? Well, all right, come in. Look for yourself. Good lord.  But why? It doesn't sound like him or like either of them. Well, I don't know why. A fit of insanity? Or maybe it was the goblet, your goblet. He drank out of it, you know. The goblet? Why, that's ridiculous. As he spoke, he picked up the gun. It made me furious. All those fine fingerprints of Gerald's were now erased. Put that gun down, Arthur. There are fingerprints on it. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize. I tried to get hold of myself.  But I had to keep calm. What, uh, what were you saying about the goblet? Why, it has no curse or magic. I just made that story up.  Of course I bought the goblet in an antique shop. As a matter of fact, I have a whole set of them. The pulses hammered away in my head. A vast, uncontrollable anger seized me. Was it because of those precious fingerprints that he'd wiped out or because I had believed in the goblet myself? I don't know. I only know that I had to fight to keep from grabbing him by the throat.  In fact... A red hot wave came over me. I don't remember exactly what happened. Let me go!  The body is lying there too now. Next to Susan's. But the police will be here any minute, so I have to hurry. First, the goblet. There. That's done. That... No. Some of the broken fragments still glitter in the lamp light. I've got to crush them. Grind them to powder under my heel. There are always other pieces that I can't find. They're, they're hiding from me. They're afraid of me. But I'll find every piece. I'll find them! I'll find them! Lying huddled on the floor, the madmen crushing the fragments of the broken goblet to powder, as the police car drives up and the clock strikes 12 for... Murder! The face of a friend and the clocks strike 12 for... Rick Dressler. With music by Charles Paul, tonight was directed by Anton...


Hello and welcome to MIP TV. Back again for book number 29. This man is a literally a literary devourer of literature. Mr Bob Cook, how are you doing Bob? I'm doing very well and this is the 29th book and I'm really looking forward to gearing up to 30. So I've picked a book by one of my mentors in my life. I have two or three mentors but this person really is close to my heart and I wouldn't be the psychotherapist I am today without meeting him. And I think I can guess who this is but do you want to tell us Bob? Yeah, this is Richard Erskine who you know well and I talk about it a lot well and so you guessed accurately. Yes, Richard Erskine he kind of developed relational transactional analysis, a big voice in the relational TA world isn't he? Yeah and you know not to be confused with two aspects. Richard Erskine created his own organisation called Integrative Psychotherapy. Now interestingly enough when he created it I said to him why don't you call it Integrative Relational Psychotherapy? Because it's very very you know you really believe in working with relationship. However I don't know what other influence is but he decided to call the organisation Integrative Psychotherapy in sort of 2002. And it was 2008 when Helena Hargid and Keith Tudor took the road or the terrain and named their school Relational Transaction Analysis which is very very different from Erskine's view of how he used the relationship. But having said all that lot he really was one of the few people that used the relationship in an integrated way. So it's a moot point but I know Helena Hargid and Co would say they were the authors and they possessed the intellectual property of the term Relational Transaction Analysis. So but this book is called Integrative Psychotherapy in Action one of his first books talking about clinical nuances 1988. And it's edited by him and his sub editor Janet Morrison who came along I met her while she was in one of the five day marathons that he ran. Lovely woman and she's a sub editor in this book. It's 1988 a fantastic book a fantastic read. What is it that kind of sparks your passion for this because you said that quite deliberately Bob? Yeah I did. Besides this assigned copy which is always nice to have. If you say to me what do I like about Richard Erskine besides his heart and his teachings. I would say he is a modern day genius of describing theory into practice. In other words this book is really about the workings of teachings of a five day marathon. It's a book of cases. It's a book of vision. It's a book of describing transaction by transaction by transaction what he did why he did it what he did the timing of it and what it all meant theoretically. You cannot get that you cannot buy that you cannot buy somebody who is a genius theoretically and a genius at explaining clinical practice into theory. You cannot buy that. It's a real crossover isn't it? One thing is as I'm hearing you saying talking about the theory but how it's applied and the method of its application that's a whole different ballgame isn't it? And he does it both. I would say to you quite truthfully that I haven't been more privileged in my life to sit in on his psychotherapy marathons. Of course doing therapy myself but to sit in it and listen to him talking about the work from not only from a theoretical perspective but from a relational perspective. And I've been very privileged and I can guess some of the people in this book because I was in a couple of the marathons where I think these case studies came from. One of the if you ask me what I like in terms of the overview of that book I've just told you but I really like one of the chapters talking about the parent-eager state. The parent-eager state in transaction analysis is the parental interjects. So it's your mother, your father, your teachers, your mentors, the significant other people and how you work with those people. Now if it's a healthy system of course their mentors, their positive guides, they're part of a healthy framework. But if their destructive parental interjects for you or their critical parental interjects for you, then the child in transaction analysis terms is often over defined, infantilized when we get a situation with a top heavy process. So in TA you have this technique of talking and working with the new vertical parent-eager figure which has been so destructive and helping through the parental technique the healing of the parent or at least as Eric Burn said turning down the noise of the intense negative parent in the psychological system in the service of cure. Very powerful phrase that Bob. Turn the volume down and trying to get the person to be in the hearing now as opposed to stuck in the past and hearing the voices of the past. Absolutely. And you know when people come to psychotherapy you're not only working with the unconscious or the child-eager state in transaction analysis terms but you're working with the parent-eager state. They come together. The parent and the child-eager states come together and there's many, many, many articles written about how you work with the unconscious or child-eager state in the service of healing even in many ways hearing now spiritual, physical worlds. There isn't that much written on the parent, the critical parent, the abusive interject, the person or the figures or the significant others which are so inhibiting and defining on the agency of the client. Not so much. How do you heal that? So he talks very well. He talks about the operations of how to work with that part of the personality in the service of cure. A fascinating read. It sounds like it. It sounds like it, Bob. How often do we come across that in our practices? Not much. I remember talking to Richard about the parent-eager state work which I'm a great fan of and I present at conferences and he said to me, well, go to an eithergenical church or go to some of the gospel churches and you'll see or you might see exorcisms. Yes. What is an exorcist work? What an exorcism work? I'll tell you what it is. It's the banishing of the parent. Yes. Yes. Which has been so negative on the human work of the person. So you're working with turning down the intensity, transforming the critical part of the organism, which has been so detrimental to health. Yeah. I never thought to be like that. I was just kind of taken away there for a second. But yeah, this idea of the exorcism being a way of ridding a person from those voices of the past, those critical voices and all that connects them. Yeah. Wow. What a great example. Yeah. And he talked about is, you know, watching these exorcists, if you like. Now, if you watch a parent interview done properly or parent therapy done properly from a transactional perspective, your definition just there is exactly what it is. The next bit is what replaces that space? Yes. Hopefully, hopefully, the child takes the space and the compassionate, compassionate narrative takes the place of the banishing of the parental negative interject. Yeah. The therapist almost fills the gap into some extent as well. For a while. For a while until the client then can be self generating or self efficacy, I guess, isn't it? Really good way of putting it. So in this book, you've got a case study which looks at the techniques, the operation of a parent interview. And you've also got a case study that looks at how to reach the child, the unconscious work with the child and the unconscious and the healing and the service of the relational pure. And how he does that, the timing, the work of the therapist in the relationship with the child, this inner child work, which is so important to our profession. Yes. Yeah. I mean, certainly in TA. And also I would say in other phenomenological therapies, you know, Gisdal and person centered, there is something about for a time, the therapist filling that gap in once that volume has been turned down until the client themselves can actualise or self-efficates. If that is even a word agency agency. Thank you agency, Bob. Yeah, to find their own agency in the world. Yeah. And to be to be in another place, I guess. Yeah. And you know, that takes that takes time. Oh, yeah. Do that in 17 sessions. No, you won't do that in six sessions. You won't even do that in 60 sessions. No, this is long term psychotherapy. And I and this book is really full of which learnings, which region X, the amazing book for learning. Well, I mean, you sold it to me, Bob. And I think I'm going to rush out and buy a copy of that. I'm going to go on to my favourite book seller and have a look. And if you want to have a look at the book, you go into the comments bar below just below the video. We're going to put in a link. Click that link. And it'll take you to a bookseller and you can inspect it. As always, Bob doesn't do this for profit. This is just Bob sharing his love of literature. Not being sponsored sponsored video in any way. And we'll pop a we'll pop a picture at the end as well. But that sounds to me like a not to be missed. But Bob, so as always, Bob, fantastic. Yes, sounds like it's fantastic. But Bob, so thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.


Aloha and bienvenidos to Hispanic Hawaii. I'm Richard Concepcion hosting with Ana Jiménez Madmellan. Today's program is about reduce, reuse and recycle. Every community has its own problem when it comes to the environment. We know that the number one solution is recycle. Today's guest is Jay Becker. She is team Miss Pacific Ocean and we have Gianna May. She is junior Miss Pacific Ocean. They are here to tell us everything that you need to know about the reduce, reuse, recycle program. So we want to say today, thank you to the program. Welcome. Thank you for having us. All right. So let's start real quick but telling me a little bit about yourself. So we'll start with you Jay. So I'm a part of the Miss Earth organization in Pageant. So I serve as the Miss Teen Pacific Ocean, which is a regional title. So it's a bit bigger than just a state title. And my number one platform right now is having to do with reduce, reusing and recycling and helping out the environment through crayon awareness. All right. Gianna May. I'm Miss Pacific Ocean and I'm in the same organization as Jay does. And I have the same platform as Jay. We're in the same organization and just want to stop and help the crayon awareness. How did you come up with the idea? With joining the pageant? Yeah. Did you want to go first or? Okay. So I decided to do the Miss Earth pageant because it's like no other. It has to do with a lot of girl empowerment and taking up a cause that a girl can really connect with. And that was my main thing with this pageant. Well I always wanted to do pageants because I always see my friends wearing crowns and sashes and I thought oh maybe it'd be cool to try something new. But when I actually figured out what pageants are I realized there's so much more than just in God. So I just wanted to do more and help the community. So it's a lot of responsibility. So you always going to be busy right from now on. No stop. So tell me about you being the captain of the soccer team. Tell me a little bit about that. Well I play for Nemesis Soccer Academy and I'm in 2009 player pool. I am one of the three captains along with my friends Ava and Avery. Thank goodness I can never do it without them. It takes hard work and dedication but it's really all worth it. That is true. So you guys are very passionate about making a difference with the community and the crayon issue. So what's up with this issue and tell us how it got started. You want to go first. Yeah. Yeah. So do you guys ever wonder what happens with crayons after your kids use them at an IHOP or Denny's or something to be honest. Doesn't cross our mind off the bat. So that's the main issue. No one ever takes into consideration what happens with these crayons. People just throw them away and this actually creates a big sludge in our landfills that takes 90 years to degrade in our environment. So with the crayon collection program this organization in particular recycles crayons and brings them into low income school areas and the other program that I work with is the crayon initiative and they recycle these crayons and make them into new ones and they bring them into children's hospitals so kids can color. So that's the whole purpose of reduce, reuse and recycle. Exactly. Wow. I'm glad you told me that I was thrown by some way. So I'm learning today. I won't do that anymore. So Gianna May, so tell us more about how someone could get involved with this crayon initiative like if where they could start. Well first of all they could come to us and maybe they could help us with all of the stuff we're trying to do. Sounds great. So what about me if I go to a restaurant that sometimes you know I haven't seen a seven years old girl when we go to a restaurant they're always giving this crayon and we use it but we just leave it there and we just take off go home. I don't know what to do with that. So with the crayon initiative in particular we have these cute little boxes that we place in schools and in restaurants so when the children are done playing and coloring with their crayons and stuff they can put them in these boxes and we ship them off to the organization. So that come into the organization or all that come into a place here in Hawaii and then from there they do distribution locally. It goes to the organization in California which is the crayon initiative program. So if there is any way that it's going to be right here locally so it doesn't go all the way to California stay within Hawaii and then you got to do the distribution right here in Hawaii. And that's what we're working towards in the future. We just started with this program and it's so amazing but hopefully with enough help we can do more locally like programs here. Sounds great. So Jade you've got involved with this and efforts to save mother nature. Tell us more and what what is the efforts to save mother nature. How are the impacts? So far I have talked to my ROTC company at Radford High School about what they can do to promote more change with the environment. A lot of people are completely oblivious to something as small as crayons because it may seem silly at first until you really recognize what's going on. So this crayon is made out of wax? Parfong wax. So it doesn't... It's really really hard to degrade in our environment and it takes 90 years. 90 years. Exactly. Wow that's unbelievable. A century nearly. Exactly. Well we're quite proud of you because this is a sustainability issue and one of the factors of that is quality of environment and bringing healthy communities which is public health. That's one of my areas. What I found fascinating is the three pillars in sustainability, economics, environment and social which is people, planet and profits and that you guys are affecting in the fact that you're doing reduce reuse, recycle. So I thought that was fascinating how it fits the three pillars of sustainability. So you're very proud of yourself. How do you feel about contributing to healthy communities, Tiana? May? Well I really want to have healthy communities. It can really affect mother nature and animals that live in it. So I just want to keep it healthy. Right. Tiana May, I want to know a little bit about what school you go to and why do you classmate thinking about you taking over this very huge task in reducing recycle and reducing the crayons. I go to Manana Elementary School in Pearl City and my friends think it's funny just because I'm playing with crayons but they really don't know is that we're actually helping the community. My teacher thinks it's a really big difference and she's really proud of me and the other people that are helping. Wow that's great. The other thing is now we're getting art back into the school with the crayons. How do you feel about that Jade? Well growing up art was a really big program for me especially since I was raised here at Hickam Elementary. So art really helped me connect and really allowed me to channel my emotions that were going on at the time as like sixth grader. So it feels really nice to just give back to community and have kids be educated about topics that directly affect them with crayons. And how do you feel about having more art in school? I would love to have art because I don't really like math. However because there's more art available through your CRAN initiative, having art does increase math scores, science, all the subject so doing art will make you like math more. Well I love spray painting so hopefully we can do some kind of recycle with spray paint. I wouldn't know more about Miss Earth Paging. So tell me more about that and the difference between Miss Earth and some other Paging organization. So with Miss Earth organization in particular our main motto is beauties with a cause. So you don't see many pageants that are really just advocating for something and have these just empowered women just fighting for these causes that are near and dear to their hearts. So I'm excited for Nationals because I get to speak on this platform of CRAN initiative. How do you feel about Nationals coming up? I'm super excited and super nervous. So tell me where the Nationals is going to be. It's going to be in Las Vegas. Oh wow. Mine is July 1st I believe and I believe yours is in Washington. Yes. Wow all the way to Washington. Take me. Yes. Pack you in the suitcase. So now your initiative is taking you more to the mainland. How do you feel about that and contributing to the platforms in the mainland? Well I really like doing that because I want everybody to know why CRAN is our country and how we can speak for the people that are helping. I want to talk I want to talk about what in the community how we're going to get people right here in Hawaii. I know the main headquarter for these organizations in California but how we're going to get businesses here in Hawaii to support the cause of the CRAN recycle and reuse. Simply by educating the community more I believe the target audience for the mass amount of change that we can promote is through schools. So if we set up boxes and drives at schools and restaurants I believe we can create the most change here in Hawaii. Well I'm going to tell you I used to work when I was like going to high school I used to work for the Crayola company. Really? I did. As a student right and the company never said anything about this product recycle is going to stay in the landfill for so many years. Now that you talk about that I kind of think way back when I used to work for them. This company who created Crayola are there try to remodify or reuse the Crayola or they're trying to create the product that is about that credible? I'm actually not sure and I don't think it's safe for me to talk about that especially if I don't know in particular. Yeah. However I have seen articles where Crayola has came out and encouraged their consumers to go to these organizations and recycle. Okay. Sounds good. And so as far as reduce, reuse, recycle, how do you feel about this issue with the crayons? Like give us more information. I really just want to help our community. I don't want it to be a bad place. Like if it can affect people and homes I just don't want to affect. That's good because what goes in the drain goes in the landfill right and the ocean which you guys aren't miss Pacific Ocean. So we want to keep our ocean clean. That's great. And we're going to show these great and wonderful video and then we're going to take a break. And after the break we're going to come back and continue talking about reduce, reuse, recycle or crayons. My daughter was two years old and we kept going to restaurants and I'd noticed the crayons would come in for her and she'd use them for just a couple minutes and then they'd get thrown away. And it just seemed crazy to me that good crayons like that are going in the bin. So I decided to do some research and learn that restaurants throw away 150 million crayons per year. Meanwhile, little known fact, crayons don't decompose. And then I also learned that teachers are spending their own personal earnings about $900 per year to fill their classrooms with school supplies. So I started the crayon collection. The crayon collection is the sustainable model where we ask restaurants to collect the crayons that kids leave behind when they die now. Then we pair that restaurant with a school within five miles of their location and that school comes once per month and picks up over a thousand like new crayons. Then we provide that same school with a full art education program that revolves around these crayons. The reason for that is that art education has been eliminated in many schools, even though it's been proven that kids with access to the arts perform better in all subjects including math, English, history. And we want to raise awareness for these teachers not needing to spend their money anymore. We don't think this is fair. Kids and families can get involved anywhere in America.  All this can be found at crayoncollection.org. Please consider making a donation to crayon collection. There's no reason why a child shouldn't have a crayon and there's no reason why a child shouldn't have an art education program. Aloha, I'm Wendy Lo and I'm coming to you every other Tuesday at two o'clock live from Think Tech, Hawaii. And on our show, we talk about taking your health back. And what does that mean? It means mind, body and soul. Anything you can do that makes your body healthier and happier is what we're going to be talking about, whether it's spiritual health, mental health, fascia health, beautiful smile health, whatever it means, let's take healthy back. Aloha. Aloha, I'm Yukari Kunisue, the host of Konnichiwa, Hawaii, Japanese talk show on Think Tech, Hawaii. Konnichiwa, Hawaii is all Japanese broadcast show and streamed live on Think Tech at 2pm every other Monday. Thank you so much for watching our show. We look forward to seeing you then. I'm Yukari Kunisue. Mahalo. Welcome back to Hispanic Hawaii. We're here talking about reuse, reduce and recycle crayons with Jay and Deanna May. Welcome back. Thank you. All right. We show the video and they talk about how some of these crayons stand in the landfill for a long time. And I saw some boxes that they take to different places. Are you using those boxes to collect those crayons here in Hawaii? Definitely. So I just set up my first box at my school. So the ultimate goal is to set up boxes at Denny's IHOP and these big hotels where people are using the most crayons. And on the screen, you can see the box that we use to collect these crayons. And after we collect them, we also pouch them and we ship them over so they can be reused in low income areas all throughout Hawaii. That's the biggest goal. So, Deanna May, how is it with students that you know of and how would you like other students to use these crayons? Well, I wouldn't want them to throw away because they really don't care about crayons. They just want to do art, but it's really important about how you use the crayons and what you do with them afterwards. And how do you see getting your fellow classmates or other schools more involved? I would want to do a speech or tell the principal to teach you a speech and tell him how crayons aren't a good thing for them. Wow. And the speech coming from you will be very effective because you'll be talking to your peers. That is great. Well, it's funny how I would like to get involved with your class and we brought here some crayolas. We want to give this to you because we want to participate and support you. So we are going to be part of your team if you accept that he's finding a way to help you to go back into the community and promote you to the school and to the business community. Thank you so much. You are cool. I used to color a lot. So I'm working for the company now I understand how the whole thing works. I still color as a teen, too. You find the coloring books in the stores. It's interesting and that some of them are so intricate. It's you know, different levels of especially at Target. I see them all the time in the dollar section. So now when you use this coloring on regular paper, can that paper be recycled or now that paper is not recycled because we use the crayola to draw in the paper. I believe the main issue is with degrading the crayon itself because it's so high in parfum wax in general. So if you color on paper, I'm pretty sure you can still recycle it. OK. So as far as what inspired you? So I didn't ask you, Jade, what how do you feel like getting your students, fellow students involved, other schools? Well, I did my first actual like speech, like Gianna said, with my ROTC cadets since I'm a Delta Company commander at Rapid High School. So it was kind of interesting to see my peers' reactions towards me talking about just crayons. They kind of looked at me sideways like I was crazy, but I knew it was for a great cause. And once they once I registered in their head that this is an actual issue and I talked about how it can't be degraded in the environment, they took it much more serious. Oh, good. And so as far as your suggestion, opinion or ideas, what about other businesses that could get involved or help on the back end as far as maybe they're not using the crayons and how they could help with your initiative of reduce, reuse, recycle? They can always help. I would say that the more that they look into big companies like the crayon initiative and the crayon collection progress, you can really just promote that change in the community if you just step in and educate yourself. I just want to know where you get time to be. The company commander at the ROTC help with collection of crayons, be the least specific ocean. What other program do you do? A new track and field. So right after this, I probably have practice. You have practice. Wow. And that's why she's so fit. That's beautiful. So Gianna, may I like to ask you the same thing? What's your ideas or suggestions for businesses to help out on the back end of this initiative with the crayons? They could always help, like Jade said, and maybe she just try and get them involved, even though they don't use the crayons. Maybe they could just do something little to help. And what would be something little that they could do? Well, maybe give us more crayons so that we can recycle. Oh, OK. There you go. Give us more crayons. And how about maybe some money, too? Or when they give us the crayons, it goes back to the low income areas that can't afford things like this. So what is the possibility that you can maybe go to Walmart, KMR, Target, all these places that sell the crayon? The possibility is certainly high, I believe. You we just need the manpower to go into these big organizations because the island is so big. Exactly. So it might take some legislation. So have you, Jade, yourself, since you've been in a couple of pageants, have you gone to the Capitol on any legislative issues yet? Not yet for this particular issue. Oh. But it's coming. Oh. So let's all together raise the voice and support this and go send email to Governor Iggy so he can maybe get involved with his program. This is great. Exactly. I mean, it's just amazing how when I saw the video myself, I was like, oh, I just assumed that the store recycled the crayons. I didn't know that they threw away each and every one. So I think it's great that you started getting and involved this initiative locally. But yeah, like Richard said, we like to see how we can do more here versus sending so many crayons back to the U.S. for the recycling. And there are a lot of people that are entrepreneurs here. So maybe that might be an area that you guys might look into. Some entrepreneurs here might be involved in a new business. Let us know. We had to help. We almost run out of time. So if you have any recommendation, any final thought that you want to tell the audience, please tell us now. Look out for the boxes. And if you see a box, put your crayons in them because it goes to a really, really great cause. Just help the community try not to throw a lot of crayons away and just recycle them. So before we leave, I want to ask you two, how can we change and modify somebody's mentality? You said, no, I really don't care. I just want to throw things away. Honestly, before entering this pageant, I had the same mentality. It's all about me and I don't really care about what goes on. But after they, after I educated myself about this topic, I really found out how it directly affected me and how I just needed to come out of my own little bubble and really do something that impacts the environment.  Somebody always going to be like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to support your class. And we have to find a way to try to convince that person that it's not only good for the environment, but we give it back to the community.  Well, maybe we could tell them a lot of causes that it could do or the damage it could do to their neighborhood or community. Wow, that's wonderful. Thank you. Thank you for your thoughts. I think you guys are both advancing this initiative as we speak right now. All right, we want to say thank you to Paul for you to come by and help us to understand this program about reduce, reuse and recycle. This is critical and it's important to me because I'm a father and a daughter at home and we always buy the crayons and we didn't know what to do. We just throw it away now that you help us to understand the issues and the concerns that we're going to support you all the way. And we want to wish you good luck and you are coming to competition. You're going to go to Las Vegas in Washington, D.C. So be prepared because I think it's called out there. Good luck girls. All right. Once again, thank you for coming and you can come by again anytime you wanted to give us on a date or how you do it within this program. Thank you. All right, we want to say thank you so much for watching Hispanii Hawaii and don't forget you can get involved in this cause, hoping to recycle, reuse the crayons and we can get the community involved but everything started within oneself. So we want to say thank you so much for watching Hispanii Hawaii and don't forget you can rewatch this program at any time. I think take Hawaii.com and many other program. Gracias y hasta luego.