Hey guys, it's Chad here. Sorry my clock. It's usually a tick down, but it wasn't ticking down. So I started without me knowing Today, let's talk about clients and are they driving you a little bit crazy We all know that they can and I just want to go over a couple points that I use in my head kind of to deal with that And I would love to hear what you guys think and what you guys are doing when you're dealing with clients Let's say high-needs clients or clients that have bigger expectations than possibly you thought you were getting into So number one the first thing I do is I make sure I list out exactly the whole scope of the job I make sure that everything I'm doing is written down because that way you have something to go to so if it's Beyond the scope of what you're being asked to do you can go to that and you can see What exactly you agreed to do so make sure you write everything down I know there's a lot of times you just show up to a job and you just say okay I'm just gonna show up and I'm going to do this this this and this and I'll just charge them for that Well, then you at the end of the job you hand on the bill and they're just freaking out So one way to get rid of a high-needs client is to realize that sometimes we create the high-needs clients If there is a change to anything I highly suggest writing out a change order if you don't know what that is Google it. I'm sure all of us have dealt with them before change order is just saying this is beyond the scope And this is gonna cost this much more to do so this is what I need to to do Can you sign off on this and then they'll sign off on that so there's that Another thing to do is to realize that For you this might just be a job and I'm talking specifically to us doing home rentals and that sort of thing for these people This is like the house and this is a place of safety and you're coming in and you're making a mess and you are Changing things and they're feeling displaced. So you need to change your mindset a bit and realize that Perhaps they're in this kind of high agitated state because can you imagine having to live in that yourself? It's not always easy So they might be a little bit on edge so we have to extend a little bit of grace to these clients of ours So those are two things that I do is I make sure that I realize that these people are in a mindset where they're just feeling A little bit out of sorts and so I have to remember that when I'm dealing with them So if they get a little agitated, there's a reason for that and you have to maintain your calm and realize where they're coming From just like in any relationship and to make sure you have everything written out a complete scope walk through it I always start my jobs out with a walkthrough of the client It kind of a check off of what needs to be done and that way Then I type it up write it up and send it off to them for them to approve then if there's a change This is my third tip does change make sure you capture that in a change order So that's how I deal with high-needs clients now I kind of jokingly call them high-needs clients But I also have to realize that generally the reason why they are high-needs clients is because we put them in that state So our job partly is to do the technical side of things to wire stuff up Or plumb stuff in or whatever, but it's also a people job as well, right? So we have to remember that that we have to kind of keep them feeling safe with us and There's gonna be times where honestly there's gonna be that one client that just you won't be able to work with and that's when you Sometimes have to consider firing your client and moving on the amount of money that you're gonna make from that job It's probably not gonna be worth the agitation. I can honestly I think I've had one client like that in my whole career and that was a long time ago But every other client has been good, but sometimes there is that client that's gonna come along and Just drive your nuts and there's just nothing you can do and they're just in such a state And you're gonna put you into a crazy state too So there will come times kind of go with you got on that one and that's it guys What I would suggest is if you look on my Facebook page again, I'm just gonna call attention to this I've got a PDF for online resources for electricians if you haven't downloaded that yet, please download it I put it available on my Facebook page yesterday and it went through the roof and I'm getting lots of great feedback on it So I'm gonna be amending that thing pretty soon But there's still tons of great content in there and if you're into the code or any kind of problems with theory I know there's a lot of electrical apprentices out there and students check that thing out It's pretty awesome. So all you have to do is go to my Facebook page and click on the learn more button You'll see there's a big banner with a douchey looking guy at the beard smoking a pipe says don't be like this guy Download this PDF download that PDF. All right guys. I will see you later on and Expect to see for those of you who are part of the email list I will be sending out that email the newsletter on Friday and we're gonna be covering ever note last week We covered notes on your phone So there's the notes app on the iPhone and different notes apps that you can use on the Android and how I use them All right If you want part of that pin list go to that PDF and that automatically gets you synced up to the main list as Well. All right. Have a great day guys work safe and I will talk to you tomorrow


Welcome everyone. We will start the meeting in a couple of minutes. We'll wait for another couple of people to join. So, good evening and welcome to this community meeting for the Hopper Avenue corridor fire recovery improvements between coffee lane and highway 101. I'm Chris Valanese capital projects engineering assistant engineer with the city of Santa Rosa, and I want to thank you for joining us tonight. Live interpretation of this meeting can be heard on the Spanish channel. You can join the Spanish channel by clicking on the interpretation icon that resembles a globe in the zoom toolbar on your screen. Before we begin the presentation, our translator Roberto will translate what I've just said, and then our host Steve Brown with the city of Santa Rosa will explain how the meeting will work. Good evening and welcome to this community meeting for the improvement project of the fire recovery of the Hopper Avenue corridor fire between coffee lane and highway 101. My name is Chris Valanese engineer assistant engineer of capital projects of the city of Santa Rosa, and I want to thank you for joining us tonight. Live interpretation of this meeting can be heard on the Spanish channel. You can join the Spanish channel by clicking on the interpretation icon that resembles a globe in the zoom toolbar on your screen. You can join the Spanish channel by clicking on the interpretation icon that resembles a globe in the zoom toolbar on your screen. Live interpretation of the city of Santa Rosa can be heard on the Spanish channel. You can join the Spanish channel by clicking on the interpretation icon that resembles a globe in the zoom toolbar on your screen. to listen to all these procedures in Spanish. Thank you very much. Thank you, Roberto. Give just a moment to move Roberto into the Spanish room. Okay, as community members join the meeting, you will be participating as an attendee. Your microphone and camera will be muted. Only today's panelists will be viewed during the meeting. Please know the city of Santa Rosa is committed to creating a safe and inclusive environment free from disruption. We will not tolerate any hateful speech or actions and will monitor that everyone is participating respectfully or they will be removed. If necessary, we will also immediately end the meeting. This meeting is being recorded and will be placed on the project website and visionhopper.com following the meeting. At the end of the presentation, Chris will open up the meeting for public questions and comment. Thank you, Steve. Once again, I want to thank all of you for joining us tonight. Your participation and input are important to us as we discuss improved features and functionality along the Hopper Avenue corridor. We will start tonight's meeting with an overview of the agenda and topics we plan to cover in the presentation. The project description, the timeframe, the presentation, public comment, and the next steps. For tonight's discussion, we'll focus on the roadway corridor along Hopper Avenue from Coffee Lane to Highway 101 and your vision for its future use. We want to hear from you, your ideas for improvements, your vision for the future of Hopper Avenue. Some options you may want to consider may include the types of bike lanes, lane reductions, beautification options, landscaping, and potential pedestrian enhancements. Our intent tonight is to gain input from you on how you envision Hopper Avenue. In addition to feedback provided tonight, an online survey will be available following this meeting to capture additional community input. A link to the survey will be placed on the project website in visionhopper.com. Community input received tonight and through the online survey will be compiled and reviewed to draft into initial concept designs that we will review and discuss during the second community meeting in February. The location and date have not yet been determined for the second community meeting. However, we will send another postcard mailer and update the project website once the meeting details are confirmed. Now, I would like to introduce Brian Fletcher with Calendar Associates. Brian and his team will be listening intently to your comments as they will be developing and refining your vision for this vital community roadway. Brian will present various options for your consideration when envisioning the new Hopper Avenue corridor. Following his presentation, we will open up the meeting for comments and questions so we can hear your ideas for improvements and any concerns you may have for this project. As we move through the presentation, if there's a slide you would like to comment on or ask a question, please try to note the page number so we can return to that slide for reference. Brian, you now have the floor. Fantastic, thank you, Chris. I really appreciate that. Good evening, everyone. Hello, my name is Brian Fletcher and I'm a principal with Calendar Associates Landscape Architecture or KALA for short. A bit on myself. My parents have called Santa Rosa home now for over 25 years. So I'm really excited to be a part of this project and looking forward to the process with all of you. So with that, can we bring up the PowerPoint presentation? Fantastic. Next slide, please. The purpose of tonight's meeting is to provide an introduction to the project and to provide ample opportunities for you to provide feedback that will help guide the designs moving forward. For the meeting tonight, I'll provide an orientation to the site and our initial observations. I'll provide an overview of the timeline and opportunities for input. And I'll share images of potential improvements to hopefully generate comments that we can then utilize to generate responsive design options to present back to you at our next meeting. Next slide, please. So to begin, we have a few icebreaker live polling questions that we'd like you to answer. This will give us a little insight on who was on the call and how you use Hopper Avenue. Shelly, would you bring up the questions? Here are the questions and you can use your mouse to scroll through them and to answer, use your mouse to click on the response. So we'd like to know how you currently use Hopper Avenue as a business owner, as a resident, as a worker at a nearby business, a visitor or something else. The second question, we'd like to know where are you reside? Where in Santa Rosa do you currently live? Or if you're outside of Santa Rosa city limits, obviously we'll be the last one to click. And then finally, we want to understand how you currently use Hopper Avenue. How often you use Hopper Avenue? Do you use it multiple times a week, only a few times per month or not very often? So we'll give just a moment for you to answer those questions and then we'll bring up the live poll results. And Shelly, when you think there's been enough time and enough results, you can go ahead and bring up the live poll results. Thank you, we'll give everybody about 30 more seconds. This is great, this is great feedback. As you can see, the majority of people on the call tonight are residents using Hopper as a resident. You can see the distribution of attendees by zip code, vast majority at 95403. And then finally, it's good to see that we have attendees that are using the roadway multiple times per week, which will help provide feedback on issues and opportunities that you see on site. So this is great to hear, great to see. So with that, we'll close the live poll and move forward. The next slide please. So I just want to give a bit more on the project background and goals. Funding for the project comes from the PGME settlement and it is intended to repair the damage to Hopper Avenue, caused not only by the fire, but also the reconstruction efforts. It also allows for the community input to be an integral part of the design process. Project goals include working with the community and stakeholders to develop a collective vision, a vision that accommodates multiple modes of travel, including pedestrians, bicyclists and vehicles, while at the same time, providing traffic calming measures to slow cars down without impacting emergency evacuation routes. We are also open to hearing your thoughts on other project goals that we may not have indicated. Next slide please. There are also other projects currently happening in the area that our project will coordinate with. These include gas main improvements, additional roadwork and roadway landscaping repair that is already underway. Next slide please. The project limits, as Chris had mentioned, we are focusing on our from coffee lane on the left side of the page to Highway 101. There are generally three distinct segments with unique characteristics, including a residential zone, a commercial zone and a transitional segment in between. Next slide please. Now I'm going to walk you through some of our initial perceptions about the project and site. These graphics help us document existing conditions. This first section is the residential zone with renovated sound walls. It is characterized by a single lane of traffic in either direction with a consistent center turn lane. There are sidewalks on both sides along with consistent buffered bike lanes. Remaining street trees are sparse and many have been damaged by the fire. There is also a small public park and neighborhood sign at coffee lane. Next slide please. So here is a couple pictures of that specific section. In the image on the left, you can see the configuration of the travel lanes, buffered bike lanes and center turn lane. The image on the right shows the damaged sidewalks and planter strips where trees used to be. Next slide please. This is the middle section where the roadway transitions from the residential zone to commercial zone. This is also the segment where the Piner Creek Trail is. Although trail visibility is limited and there is no immediate crosswalk to help with connectivity. There are also changes in sidewalk configuration and street tree patterns within this zone. Next slide please. Here's a couple pictures of that specific section. The image on the left is at Piner Creek Trail and shows a very similar roadway configuration to that of the previous zone. However, you can see that the sidewalk configuration is different and remains inconsistent through this zone as shown on the right image. Both images do show a greater number of trees but not necessarily at the back of curb. Next slide please. This is the final section characterized by the commercial land uses and modified roadway configuration. You can see there are now two lanes of traffic in both directions and the buffered bike lane has been dropped on the south side of the street. There are consistent sidewalks and more street trees within this segment. Next slide please. Lastly, here's a couple pictures of the commercial section. The image on the left is the new roadway configuration again with two lanes of traffic in either direction. And you can see the lack of the buffered bike lane on this side of the street. You can also see the sidewalks and greater number of street trees. The image on the right shows a wonderful mural on the backside of the storage facility. Next slide please. So this slide illustrates the project timeline and process that we will be going through. As you can see, we are in the upper left-hand corner of this slide that we are here and we're at the very, very beginning of the process. We will use the feedback we received tonight and the surveys that follow to develop preliminary design alternatives which we will present at the next community open house in February. We will use input received at that meeting to develop a preferred alternative. If we did not achieve general consensus on the alternatives, we will present the preferred alternative at a final community open house in May. At that point, we hope to have built consensus and can conclude phase one of the process. In the summer, we hope to begin phase two which will include a more detailed design and construction of the project which is estimated to be complete in the fall of 2025. Next slide please. For the next few slides, we wanna show images of potential improvements that could happen along the corridor. First, beginning with pedestrian circulation improvements, these include wider sidewalks, accessible curb ramps, and increased visibility of the crosswalks. Next slide please. For bicycle infrastructure, there are options to continue or enhance the existing buffered bike lanes. Protected bike lanes include a physical barrier between cars and bikes which could be a planter strip as shown, a vertical curb or other element. Next slide please. The last category of enhancements is street beautification. Medium islands can provide pedestrian safety as in the first image as well as opportunities for landscaping as shown in the third image. The second image shows street trees which also can help with traffic comment and pedestrian comfort. Finally, gateway signs and decorative pavements also can enhance neighborhood identity if that is something that the community desires. Next slide please. The next few slides show before and after project images to give you an idea of how these improvements could be applied to an actual project. This is a project in Campbell that had an extremely wide residential roadway with only a single lane of traffic in either direction. This neighborhood really struggled with speeding traffic and pedestrian safety. Next slide. This slide shows the after image where we were able to reduce the amount of roadway asphalt. We reduced the traveling widths to standard dimensions, retained parking, while also adding bike lanes, street trees and large planting strips. These planting strips also work to treat 100% of the stormwater leaving the roadway. Next slide please. The second project we wanted to show you was a commercial district in Burlingham. Existing conditions included two lanes of traffic in either direction with a center turn lane. The roadway also lacked bike lanes, street trees, pedestrian lighting and bus stops were existing but subpar. Next slide please. This image shows proposed improvements, including reducing the travel lanes from two lanes in either direction to one lane because of the low traffic volumes on the street. Retaining the center turn lane but providing pedestrian refuge islands and landscape medians where possible. Buffered bike lanes were added along with enhanced bus stops. Finally, a consistent planter strip provides a buffer to the wider sidewalks and creates space for consistent street trees and additional lighting. This image is also helpful for you to better understand the types of graphics that we are going to be presenting as we develop the preliminary concepts to help you understand the proposals and better react to them. Next slide please. So now that we have shown you some potential improvements, we wanted to do one more final quick poll. Shelley, if you could bring that up. Based upon what you heard, which aspect of the Hopper Avenue corridor would you like to see improved the most? Couple minutes to answer and Shelley, whenever you think is appropriate, you can bring up the results. Thank you. We still have a couple people working on the survey. Give me a couple more seconds. Thank you. We'll end the poll. This is great. So from top beautification to second pedestrian sidewalks and then it looks like we're about evenly split between vehicular and bicycle lanes. So I really appreciate the input and can't wait to see the feedback tonight from you as well as our survey. So with that, that concludes my presentation. I'll now turn the meeting back over to Chris. Thank you, Brian. At this time, we would like to hear from you, our community. So we'll now move to the question and answer portion of the meeting. However, before we begin, I will ask Steve to review how you can participate by asking live questions and comments. All right, thank you, Chris. Once Chris calls for public questions or comments, we will announce for anyone wishing to ask a question or comment to raise their hand and zoom.  We will then call on the public one by one who have their zoom hand raised. Your microphone will be unmuted, so you may ask your question. Once you've raised your hand and asked your question or shared your input, your hand will be lowered and your microphone muted. So our panelists may respond to your question. Steve, are we ready for the first meeting attendee to ask their question or provide a comment? Yes, we are. Thank you, Chris. Again, if you need to have your question translated, please let us know once you've been called on. And then please allow us a moment to confirm the translator is ready. Please remember to speak slowly so our translation team can relay your question. Again, anyone wishing to ask a question or make a comment may do so at this time by raising your hand, using the zoom raise hand feature. If you're calling in, please dial star nine to raise your hand. The first person in the queue is Jeff Okrepke. Jeff, your microphone has been unmuted. You may state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make a comment. Yeah, thank you. My name is Jeff Okrepke. My questions or my comments real quick, obviously beautification is very important to everybody, but as relates to traffic calming, I've heard before, and I don't know if this is a question for a planner or a traffic engineer or a landscape architect, but I've heard that with medians and street trees, there's an unconscious ability that slows down traffic with those sorts of things. Is that a possibility? Because I know a lot of people are concerned about Hopper Avenue basically being a straightaway and people flying through there. I'm just wondering if by doing things like protected bike laying, street trees, medians, if traffic will naturally calm itself. Thank you, Jeff. So my understanding of your question is that you're asking if some of these elements will calm traffic just by their installation. And I'm wondering if Rob might have a good, if Rob Sprinkle might have a good response to that question. Absolutely. Thanks, Chris. Hi, Jeff. Yes, absolutely. That is a technique that we use throughout the city to help reduce speeds, narrowing the traffic lanes, stricking them somewhat, having shade canopies that help make kind of a tunnel effect with trees and medians. Those all do help subconsciously. People drive slower through those more constricted areas than when it's a wide open street like Hopper is today. Thank you very much. I can maybe add just a little bit if we could go to slide number 18. This was the exact reason why we wanted to show this project down in Campbell, because existing conditions had a very wide open, large area of asphalt that was contributing to the speeding problem in that there was a straight shot with no obstructions. So what you want to do is reduce the perceived width of the asphalt, obviously narrowing the lanes only to standard practices, adding bike lanes and buffered, even if it's just striping, can help reduce the perceived width of the travel lane and slow traffic. And then you can see we've added the street trees within the parking lane. And that you want to have your street trees as close to the travel lane as possible to get the most impact of not only the visible vertical trunk that helps reduce the perception of the wide roadway, but also the tree canopy that helps as well. Thank you very much. With that information, I think my official comment would be using the beautification measures as you described to help calm the traffic, while also using the decorative pavement and the high visibility crosswalks and stuff like that to just make it more appealing and safe at the same time would be my highest priority. Thank you, Jeff. Do we have another raised hand? We do. The next person in our queue is Alexa Forrester. Alexa, your microphone has been unmuted. You may state your name for the record if you so choose, then ask your question or make a comment. Hi, thanks so much. My name is Alexa Forrester. And first off, I'll start by congratulating Jeff Okreppke in his recent win to the city council. And I also want to echo part of what he said, which was about trying to make many of these features work together. So having beautification efforts be part of traffic calming. I teach at the junior college and we recently painted a mural on a street right in front of where my building and cars have gone much slower through there just based on my own perceptions since we painted that mural. And so, especially at intersections in particular, I really liked that one picture you had of the pavement. I was also wondering if some of the pavement that was used for that could include, like I know there are cooling paints and stuff so that on really hot days, it helps keep the temperature down. I don't know if that could be a very big effect, but especially for any bicyclists or pedestrians using the infrastructure on really hot days, having it be sort of a little, in addition to street trees. A couple other things I said I wanted to mention, I primarily travel either as a pedestrian, a bus user or a cyclist. And so all of those infrastructure improvements are very attractive to me. I did want to point out that if you make the sidewalks wider with really nice ADA ramps, which I do believe you should do, but you don't include safe feeling bike lanes, you will have the bicyclists that came out of the buffered lane into the portion where there is no bike lane, you will have them just up on the sidewalk. And I think that's a non-ideal solution for both the pedestrians and the cyclists. It increases the risk. So I would urge protected, ideally, or at least buffered bike lanes along the whole stretch if it's compatible with traffic flow patterns. Thank you. Thank you, Alexa. So I think paint used for cooling the asphalt can definitely be something we look into as we know different colors do radiate heat differently. So that's definitely something if we move towards that direction of the decorative pavement and bicycles on the sidewalk are something we definitely don't want. So we do intend to create either a similar bike lane to what we have now or something improved. Do we have another raise hand? We do. The next person in the queue is Kelly. Kelly, your microphone has been unmuted. You can state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make a comment. Yeah, we have a couple of people here. So we have a couple of questions. The first question is, what is the amount of money that is going to be spent on this project? The second question is the property just past the storage area that has not been widened. Is that a planned widening of that area? It's just, it's just a little bit of a question. It's just east of the hopper lane. I think it should be a medium strip down the middle of hopper there. But don't use bark, please. And the way hopper is now is you have the old parking area that you can't park on. So that's just a wasted area. Then you got the bike lane and then the street. So if we widen the sidewalk, we're going to take that part out of the road. Is that correct? And do you have any other questions? Yeah, I'm also on this one. Some of those projects you have are pretty ambitious. Is there enough money that we have available to do that? Extensive landscape. We're done with our questions. Thank you. Thank you, Kelly. So this project where we are still scoping. What we are going to be implementing. So it's kind of hard to say. What amount of money is going to be spent on the project at this point in time. But. The project was allocated approximately $6 million from the PG and E settlement. So. Once we conduct our community engagement meetings and we fine tune our project scope, we will have a better understanding of how much we're, how much it's going to cost. That also kind of correlates with the, with the last question having to do with the landscaping. So. Moving down the question list. I, I don't think that there was any intent on widening hopper. At this point in time. There was the intent was to maintain the existing road with a, there was the question about. Eliminating the parking to widen the sidewalk. Based on, based on the existing sidewalk with and the. Landscaped areas within the sidewalk. There appears to be some space to where we wouldn't need to push it out any further. But this is still. In the works. Okay. Very good. Our next person in the queue. Is Mike, Mike, your microphone has been unmuted. You can state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask for question. Or make a comment. Thank you. This is my. My name is Mike. I live in the coffee park area like many of us do. And I was curious as to why we're stopping at coffee. And not going all the way to barn. And I realized that the context and the, and the road changes to purely residential. But there's significant damage to the roadway from the fire. As well as some. There was some. Some things that would help delineate the area well, but there's a lot of damage to the roadway. Like the marker of the location like that. Washington. Things sign you had, for example, certainly over at bars that could be something like that as well. It's just sort of looking at the whole area and not just dropping dead at coffee is what I was thinking. And on, on traffic. I saw used. In essence, a rumble strip, but it was very pretty because it uses some small cobblestones. You know, you know, I'm trying to walk on rocks or something, but if, if somebody drives over it with any speed at all, it's not pleasant, but it's not unsafe at least. And just, just an idea. I wanted to toss out there on that. That's all. Thank you, Mike. The, the rumble strip. Is a. Is a good suggestion. And from emails I've received from other residents in the area. That's definitely something that can be considered. In terms. Chris, this is Rob real quick. I just want to jump in on that. Sorry to interrupt, but. So our experience with rumble strips in the past. And specifically from resident comp. Comments is that they're extremely noisy. So every time we've put them in throughout the city. We've actually had to take them out within a few days of the installation. So we've had to take them out within a few days of the city. So although they are a. They can be a deterrent for people to help slow them down. It's also.  So we've. We've held back on installing those as traffic calming. Measures. And then I did want to also circle back to something that Kelly mentioned. I believe that the city of. Of roadway, I believe it was between Banyan and arrow a. Where they're discussing whether that segment would be widened. And that that's right near printer through trail, I believe. And that is up for discussion. So it could be a potential that that is widened or to be a potential that that remains a constriction. And, and, and is used as a point to. You know, the city of Banyan and arrow. So that's definitely up for discussion. And we'd love to hear the public's comments on that. Thanks. And if I could just add to design elements, I think. You know, we're going to take all your input tonight, but we're going to work with. Take our experience of projects and what's worked and what hasn't been done. And then we're going to talk about the city of Banyan. And we're going to focus on projects on elements that work.  So, you know, Rumble strips may not be the solution, but, but I've got a few ideas that I would love to talk to the city about other things that could also. Possibly help and also want to. Learn from city staff on, on what other elements have worked within the city to achieve a similar. And how we can help them. Not be indicated, but without the accompanying noise. Okay. The next person. And the Q is Terry. Teri. Terry, your microphone has been unmuted. And you may state your name for the record. If you so choose and then ask your question or make a comment. Hi, so we worked with security public storage that the storage inside of the business section on Hopper, that we think that it would be kind of slowing down the traffic as it would make it harder for trucks to enter businesses in that area. Thank you, Terry. If I could just answer, make a response to that one. I think that's, you know, one thing that, one reason why we kind of broke this up into different segments is that each segment has a unique characteristic, unique land uses, and specific challenges associated with it. So we're also going to be evaluating the design solutions within each one of those. And there's not going to be a one-size-fits-all solution from, you know, one side of the project limits to the other side of the project limit. So, you know, you're absolutely right. Maybe a median is appropriate in one area. Maybe it's not in the other areas. So we certainly will be looking at turning movements and all things associated with traffic flow. Okay, great. The next person in our queue is Lisa Maast. Lisa, your microphone has been unmuted. You may state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make a comment. Lisa Maast, and I'm a resident of Coffee Park. And just for clarification, you might have announced this initially, but I'm just wondering what the breakdown was from the responses you had. I'm wondering how many people participating in this call are residents. If I remember the right, I did not see a single person that was outside of city limits. They were all within the zip codes identified. Oh, and I'm sorry. I think more specifically, I guess it wasn't broken down to who might be residents of the Coffee Park area itself. Okay. So, and correct me if I'm wrong, staff, but this will, this will, the video of this will be posted to the website, which will also include those poll responses after this. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Lisa. Thank you. The poll indicated by zip code where the attendees were from. So that will narrow that for a little bit for you. Okay. The next person in our queue is Debra Bratberg. Debra, your mic has been unmuted. You can state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make a comment. Hi. Yes. My name is Debbie Bratberg and I'm a resident of Coffee Park and I have two, one comment and one question. My first is a comment about the traffic calming. Just to make note that that area not only is just traffic in general can be a concern specifically street racing has has been occurring on that particular stretch. And I just happened to look at something that popped in while I was waiting. The city just posted where street racing, they're talking about not necessarily on Hopper, but one that just occurred speeds of 100 miles per hour. When this happens, it's usually in the early hours. This one was at 1245. I don't know if there's any way to help with, you know, not choosing to do street racing down Hopper. And then my question is regarding the beautification. So I live on a house that is near the park. I look into the park and so sad to me that we had a beautiful sod lawn and it has significantly deteriorated because the land, the drip and irrigation system was either improperly installed or not watered sufficiently. So my question is in regards to the beautification, will that come with irrigation and maintenance as part of the budget? I'm done. Thank you. Thank you, Debbie. So from the, from your question, will irrigation be included with any perspective landscaping? Brian, would you like to see your head? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Chris. Yes. Water maintenance are incredibly large topics in every single project that we work on these days. So right now, I'm just looking to get input on what features people want. So not sure yet whether there's going to be a landscape median or anything. I'm just open to feedback. If there are landscape areas, it is important that we include irrigation as part of that and make that irrigation as low maintenance and as water to use as little water as possible for that. So it's carefully selecting the plant materials and then carefully designing the irrigation system. So although I can't respond to what's going on with the coffee park itself, I certainly can respond to any future, any landscaping that we propose as part of this must have some form of irrigation. Okay. Next person in our queue is Dave S. Dave, your mic has been unmuted. You may state your name for the record if you choose and then ask your question or make your comment. My question for Steve or for Rob would be, what's the 85th percentile speeds up and down Hopper? Probably two different sections, the commercial area and then the residential area. My comments would be, I would not put a median island down the street at all. The city can't maintain the existing islands they already have. So they become just big weed patches and I think they look absolutely terrible. I don't think this project is going to be able to afford a separated set of bike lanes. I think the ADA ramps are a given as part of the project due to the amount of asphalt work that's going to have to be done on the street to get it up to some kind of reasonable driving surface. I'm really hoping that we don't or the city does not put in a mid block crosswalk at the Colgan Creek Trail or the Coffee Creek crossing there. I don't think the creek trail actually goes anywhere to the north. I think it dies and goes underground before it actually gets to another street. In the south I don't actually know where that would come out either. So I don't see a lot of people using that and I think that's it. Thanks Dave. Rob, would you be willing to answer Dave's questions about the roads? Absolutely. Thanks Chris. So the 85th percentile on hopper from it's the segments from coffee to Cleveland is what we surveyed. We did that in 2020 and it came to 37.3 which allowed us to lower speed limit which was previously 40 miles an hour to the current posted 35 miles an hour on that setting. Did you want me to address any other comments Chris or Brian we're gonna take those. I'm sorry I think those were just comments. I don't know if there were I didn't notice any other questions in there so we're writing feverishly the comments and going to be including it as we move forward in the designs. Okay the next person in the queue is Annie Barber. Annie your microphone's been unmuted you may state your name for the record if you choose and then ask your question or make a comment. Yes my name's Annie Barber. I'm a resident of Coffee Park and I would so I'd like to address the creek area first. I totally agree that by opening that up and making that a wider area that that would just make it more of a speedway down hopper. My number one priority really is it would be wonderful to make it look like you're entering Disneyland. I think the reality is that we want a low maintenance area that's safe for our children and our residents to walk in so the sidewalks need to be improved upon. We have disabled people who I see going up and down Hopper Avenue on those sidewalks and it's scary with the zigzagging. If we could bring it back to to a good sidewalk disability ramps with a clear concise bike lane and some trees I think that would be amazing. Thank you. Thank you Annie. Great feedback. Okay the next people in our our queue are Doug and Becky Sality. Doug and Becky your microphone has been unmuted and you can state your name for the record if you so choose then ask your question or make a comment. Sorry Doug and Becky it appears that you're still muted if you'd like to unmute and ask your question. Okay sorry I'm Doug Sality and being our backyard is on Hopper I would like to see and because of the noise and the speed in which people are traveling I'd like to see a stop sign and a crosswalk possibly put in a sky view or a crest you'd probably sky view would be the better spot just to allow people depending on the time of day it's very difficult to get out of the housing track and it's a safety kind of a thing. Anyway that's all I really have to say. Thank you for the feedback. Okay the next person in our queue is Steve Raman. Steve your mic has been unmuted you can state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question make a comment. Great this is Steve Raman I'm a resident of Coffee Park I'll just run through a lot of things that people said I agree with I'll just run through my list sorry if it sounds long so first one I'll say just something small on slide 11 you have a you show a bus stop in Santa Rosa not all bus stops are equal we used to have a bus stop on the corner of coffee and airway or hopper and airway at a bench garbage can now now the bus stops have been moved there's no bench ideally that that bus stop you show there that's on the corner of airway and hopper my office is right here that's ideally would be great to have a bus stop down there because people are now walking all the way to that bus stop so that was that was my one comment there straightening all the sidewalks and not having them go back and forth like they are now would be a big plus there's some existing landscaping one of the hill homeowners has put on their side or on their property on the wall seeing that this project wouldn't happen for three years I mean they're investing money and time in that landscaping I'm hoping that there's some communication with them to let them know that maybe that landscape is not going to be there or something's going to happen there also the as far as the bridge at hopper that might be a good way to choke down the traffic but I feel like it would be nice if that sidewalk continued on the north side at the coffee creek sidewalks there's not our crosswalks there's not a crosswalk between airway and coffee lane that's a long way to go for safety there needs to be some sort of crosswalk that's you know there's a lot of elderly people that walk down that street and they try to cross that street it gets crazy um and then as far as the maintenance during our recovery we met with the city quite a bit and there was always a talk of the ongoing maintenance and what that this development would look like and I'm hoping that this team is working with centers of parks to make sure that whatever we all talk about are not big dreams but actually can be maintained whether it's tree wells and just trees or some sort of maintenance and that's all I got right now thank you Steve Chris if you don't mind I'd like to just ask a clarification question um Steve I'm not sure I perfectly understood your first comment about the bus stop shown on slide 11 it's currently shown existing at airway drive correct there used to be a bus stop on the corner of airway I'm sorry hopper and coffee lane on the south side of coffee lane um and now it's been moved down to on coffee lane in front of the residences that live on coffee lane and it's just a sign it used to have a bench and people would use it regularly now because that bus stop's been moved and it's inadequate to sit there especially like today in the rain or yesterday in the rain people don't use that bus stop so now they're forced to walk all the way up to the bus stop you have in that picture on the corner of airway and hopper and it would be good to get that bus stop back and actually have a bench back okay so there's two points there looking to move it back onto hopper and looking to ensure the bus stop has similar enhancements shelter bench sign similar to what was at airway did I hear that correctly absolutely oh thank you Steve thanks okay the next person in our queue is Todd Anderson Todd your mic has been unmuted um if you'd like to state your name for the record and then ask your question or make your comment um yeah go ahead uh thank you yeah my name is Todd Anderson I manage the best western hopper there I just had a couple comments one um it's extremely difficult to make a left turn out of any of the businesses on either side of the street um especially during peak traffic um the other comments I had was I don't understand why there's the turn lane between canyon and crest view as you can't make any turn it's a solid bench um I think we put a some sort of a median or something in there I think that would be a good idea and then the other thing is I think the left turn lane from hopper onto coffee needs to be extended um I mean everyone just goes in the center median anyways but I mean if it was the legitimate left turn lane I think that would be a good idea and that's all I have thank you thank you Todd okay the next person in our queue is Chris Shear Chris your microphone has been unmuted you state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make your comment yes my name is Chris Shear I live in Coffey Park um first three things first I would like to echo what Steve said earlier um to see decent bus stops and sheltered bus stops complete with trash cans so that whatever we do it looks nice and it promotes using public transportation to and from this area um second recently there was some tree and bush removal done on hopper avenue in the first zone that you described didn't seem to make a lot of sense what was decided to be removed and what was decided to be left some of the crepe myrtles that look like they had potential were removed and others that look like they're struggling a little although they did survive the fire remain with orange webbing around them if it's going to take till 2025 to do this work just kind of wondering why you removed some of the things that were growing there they could have stayed there for a year now we just have dirt and we just got the weeds under control because you remove them all um but they're going to come back with all this rain so I hope there's a plan there for the next three years and then third um because you said all the way to 101 I'm going to include these areas when we talk about safety these uncontrolled left turns on and off hopper um the starbucks and company businesses I was amazed when those went in and they allow left turns out of those driveways as people are coming off the freeway it's just a question of time until somebody gets creamed there and now we've added dutch brothers on the north part of hopper and so you have two like businesses with very acute service cycles in the day and the cars are like coming at each other on hoppers so that's probably outside the scope of I think it was brian who's with the landscaping firm and design firm but these traffic issues if you're looking at traffic into our area and stuff we also need to look at that part um there with that freeway on and off ramp because it gets really hairy there that's the end of my comment thank you chris um referring to the uh tree and brush removal um some some remains some was removed um we currently have a landscape project going on right now that is um working to rehabilitate some of the fire damage landscaping um some in coffee park I think some in fountain grove um um I brian are you um are you aware of um of that project at all yes I better be aware of it because we also are working on that project um so I can answer a little bit about that when when we evaluated those trees when we had our arborist block uh the entire properties that we were looking at this was probably about two years ago um and made the decisions on which had damaged which were um needing to be removed now two years have kind of passed I think we've had some sucker growth um that certainly was not there two years ago um so we'll have to evaluate the remaining trees as part of this project and and see what what should additionally be removed or continue to remain um a lot of times a tree may look good this has been my experience of working with arborist the tree may look good but there is some structural damage that has been occur that has occurred that although it's not an immediate uh safety issue can become a safety issue in the future so I don't remember each tree and the specifics on each one but that could be a possibility finally the one thing I'll I'll just say is that crepe myrtles although though beautiful um when we're looking at trees that will provide a canopy for the roadway and look for traffic calming I would be looking for trees that have a much larger canopy than a than a crepe myrtle uh we typically would use the crepe myrtles more for accent opportunities gateways and and such so Chris I I hope that I hope that answered your question a bit and I think that was great thanks Brian okay the next person in the queue is tracy kex committee tracy your microphone has been unmuted and you may state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make a comment good evening my name is tracy kex committee take that one off sorry we have two things going on here we have feedback you have to turn it off there thank you um um sorry about that I one of the things that is going on about the slowing down the traffic um I think I'm going to get some eyes that will roll but has anybody thought about around about that people down and there is some beautification that's a that's assigned with that also I agree with the comment about there's being no crosswalks from airway all the way to coffee dangerous so something that sky view probably and I'm sorry I do live in coffee park as well I live on sky view um but it is sky view and crest view are hard to get in and out of and there has been a lot of racks so crosswalks stop sign roundabout kind of thinking something like that um it would also probably deter well I don't know a sideshow I don't know maybe they would just go round and round I don't know um that's about all I have to say about that just crosswalks and a stop sign or roundabout or or or light uh street lights and that's it thank you Tracy Rob do you have any feedback I think roundabout is a possibility to put on the table I don't think that's something that we would not look at um if that's something that the neighborhood would like us to evaluate thanks Rob okay the next next person in the queue is good good your microphone has been unmuted you state your name for the record if you so choose then ask your question or make a comment oh thank you um the bicycle lanes have been currently connected into coffers um while they were a good idea I still see people riding the bicycles on the sidewalk so I like the idea of having a more protected bicycle lane where the bicycles would then use the bike lane versus the sidewalk and then um and there's all of the images that have been taken are taken during the daytime I'm curious about if any images have been taken at night and the inclusion of nighttime safety along this corridor thank you um I'll just name you as good um good um well I appreciate that comment yes all the images right now are are during the daytime I will I will absolutely um get out there at night so I can certainly appreciate that before we prepare the concepts okay Chris at this point I see no more hands raised in the queue oh pardon a couple of them shut up um so the next person in our queue is Tom Krabowski Tom your microphone has been unmuted you can state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make your comment yes I'm Tom Krabowski and my wife and I live on Starview Court in Coffee Park and I had previously emailed Chris about some issues that I had and one of them is the which is a kind of a general thing for all Santa Rosa is the automobiles that make so much noise because our catalytic converter are removed uh we've lived here for 30 40 years and it's been the just the last few years that we've heard this and you hear it all over it's horrible and I don't know what can be done about it but it is extremely irritating it's not limited to our area of course uh the other thing that I had brought up is Starview Court west of that is is Coffee Lane and we have speed speeders going up and down that thing all 24 hours traveling you know 40 30 40 50 miles an hour at the worst and I was suggesting speed bumps if they could be put in on Coffee Lane and the only other comment I'll make is uh which has been talked about where the road at at airway drive and where it narrows down in front of the storage unit yeah in front of the storage unit what happens is cars coming up on the right side of you try to yeah go in west try to pass you and that's kind of a race but in Fountain Grove I know that where you get off to go by Centennial Way they've had some striped lines painted there that makes it appear like the road it narrows and and people yeah don't go in that lane so I'm just thinking something like that could be done and that's pretty much all I have thanks Tom Rob do you uh you have any comment regarding speed bumps I do thanks Chris unfortunately we do not install speed bumps on streets arterial streets and especially arterial streets that have bus routes bus routes and speed bumps don't typically go well together with the buses trying to navigate those so unfortunately on Coffee Lane that's and on Hopper those would not be traffic on the edges that we would install okay the the next person in the queue is Kelly Kelly your microphone has been unmuted you state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make a comment uh Kelly your your microphone is unmuted you could make your comment if you wish okay Kelly will uh raise your hand again if you wish to make a comment we'll go ahead and move on to the the next person in the queue the next person in the queue is Kurt Nichols Kurt your microphone has been unmuted you state your name for the record if you so choose and then ask your question or make your comment having difficulty unmuting sorry yeah this is Kurt Nichols another coffee park resident um I just want to say I'm really excited about this project um ever since um all the uh you know the the folks that put a lot of effort I don't I don't know everybody I know that that involved in that but it was to get the walls done redone along Hopper um that was awesome and then my next thought was well now what you know we've got this big expansive asphalt and hopefully um that can be improved so it's really exciting to see this this project moving forward so I'd like to second some of the other comments that have been made and and add my vision to the mix and that would be to have a to really transform Hopper Avenue into a tree lined boulevard um you know not just tree trees you know on the sides perhaps in the median as has been discussed there's different situations I think uh one comment that was made that there's a section where there's center left turn lane that there's no opportunities to turn left so that there might be some some opportunity for trees there but uh just leave it to the designers to uh kind of see what might be done to uh run with that tree lined boulevard idea and I think that would go toward uh some of the other comments I know Rob made earlier about traffic and others about traffic calming and and how uh getting kind of a canopy over that street would would help with that I think it would also help with a number of other things and would just be a fabulous new entry to our our revitalize uh renewed neighborhood so excited about the project and thanks again for the opportunity to comment thank you Kurt okay Kelly Moore is uh back in the cube so Kelly your microphone has been unmuted you can state your name for the record if you so choose uh and then ask your question or make a comment hi there can you hear me this time I can perfect sorry about that this is Kelly Moore I'm a resident of Coffee Park and I apologize I missed the first half of the presentation so this may have already been covered but I wanted to appreciate the fact that everyone is interested in lowering speeds on Hopper Avenue but I also wanted to make sure we're aware of that being a major evacuation route in the event we have another fire with the center medians or possibly putting in roundabouts and things like that you know if we had to use that avenue as a major evacuation we need to have you know a lot of vehicles access it at one time so I just wanted to reiterate that hopefully they're keeping that in mind my next comment would be I do like the idea of a crosswalk somewhere between coffee and airway and maybe they can install one of those flashing lights with a button that can be pressed for people to alert the cars that someone's in the crosswalk I think that that is a good idea especially at night on that road and then the other comment was just for nighttime lighting along the sidewalks I think having that be a well-lit area would look really nice and that was it for me thank you so much thank you Kelly the evacuation route comment was was really great we we have been talking about this okay Chris we there are no more hands raised this point okay so with no further questions I would like to express my appreciation and I think the members of the public the panelists interpreter and hosts for participating tonight we appreciate you taking the time to listen to us and provide your input on the hopper avenue fire corridor fire recovery improvements project as I mentioned earlier in addition to your participation tonight we would also like you to visit the project website listed on the screen and take our online survey we appreciate we appreciate your participation at tonight's meeting and we hope you can join us again in February when we will review and discuss improvement concept designs based on your feedback we will send another postcard mailer with the meeting date and location once it's confirmed updates will be posted on the project website and vision hopper.com on the website you can also subscribe to receive email updates on this project thank you again for participating tonight and good night um just a moment Chris I'm so sorry I'm I had a hard time accessing that screen and it's uh it's at the end of here so let me get a moment to go to the correct screen where we have those QR codes and that access information there we go and we'll leave that up for a moment or two so that everybody can get those access can we just confirm how long those surveys will be active this is Nate um counter associates um yeah they're they're going to be active until the 28th I believe so after Thanksgiving thank you Nate well raised hands perhaps people have questions about the survey itself Kelly more I see your hand is raised did you have a comment that you wanted to make trying to lower my hand no comment thank you Tom Kobowski I see your hand is raised do you have a question about the surveys or the website yeah how do you how do you get it to uh open to be able to do the survey I mean I'm looking at the screen how do I how do I open it to uh comment on the survey so there's there's two ways you can do it most phones their video their camera if you put your camera up to the QR code it'll recognize it as a QR code and bring up the link the other way to access it is directly through the website if you go to Envision Hopper okay if you go to visionhopper.com there'll be links to the surveys okay that that's good that's all I need thanks yeah thank you Tom all right thank you everybody we're going to go ahead and end our meeting now have a great night


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we say hey what do you guys think so i'd like i'd rather i want to just jump to the end and say staff what do you think we should do and then we'll give input so jonnie what do you think we should do they're vaguely members of council so i know this item was of a concern to several council members who asked that i bring this forward so that you could all have a discussion about where you'd like to head with us one thing i would note in your council communication is that staff particularly code enforcement staff who are doing the permitting and the inspections and the enforcement have really had a limited number of code violations called into us we've only had i think eight it was we're listed in here and as don mentioned earlier the calls for service from the police we don't really know specifically how if we could try to figure that out i don't know that we have enough information to do that whether they're directly related to the homeowner the home you know something happening in the neighborhood when i look at that list there's a lot of things that seem fairly subjective like they aren't specifically tied to a short-term rental or a home so i think that we could continue to use the rules that we currently have in place do the additional additional enforcement that we're contracting with to try to do and um you know continue to enforce where we've told people you can't have a short-term rental if you don't live in the city and if you don't have um you don't meet the requirements as currently laid out i think that some of the issues um particularly on the arapaho avenue home um was a short-term rental for a year and we got i don't think we got any complaints with the previous owner who was also had a short-term rental the new owner purchased that and that's really when those complaints started so i think as with many things in our community we get a few homeowners or bad actors who cause a lot of neighborhood issues so perhaps there's an avenue for us to go back to the city attorney's office and talk about how we might do some better nuisance enforcement or how we could change the code so that um i or or someone uh could um take the permit away basically based on a number of commit um permits you know um typically we have to have cause for that so it's not as simple as um someone calling me and telling me that's happened i think we'd actually need to substantiate that but we could certainly look at that as an avenue as well right now i don't think staff has any specific recommendations because again we haven't seen that many code complaints and we have only had a few folks who haven't been able to do what they want and and that's the nature of the permit and the rules we've issued councilmember christensen then we'll go with councilmember peck um okay so i think that what you're saying is as councilman water said we need to put some teeth in it so um when you have have a we also need more than one code enforcement guy you must be so tired um so when you hand out information to them hand out information that gives them the law and that gives a list of fines if they do not comply and you know if we can if we can um find somebody for not dismounting up to three hundred dollars we can certainly find people for not complying with uh having a license having it be their primary residence if we need to make a list of fines associated with violations then that's what we need to do and the code enforcement officer needs to give them those list of fines and tell them they need to comply don't be nice to them don't say you know you really need to have a license still them you need to have a license you're way too nice johnny um anyway so i would suggest that we have some fines and that we have some code some way that we can also if we have 80 um uh strs listed how about if we give that list to the police and anytime the police get a complaint uh that is on that list they inform you so that way we can keep track of it because as you're right there's no way of knowing whether what the police uh uh i mean there's no connection between the police and in your department so um our planning department so how about if we give the police list and if we develop some uh as councilman water said teeth in this so that people will not take you know so that they will understand that they do have a community obligation to be licensed to be inspected to meet certain criteria for a safe community and also to preserve our neighborhoods so mayor baglia if i may yep you may um so i'm having a chat going with my code enforcement staff who are also on the on the call tonight but you know currently we can do admin fees or fines like we do for other code cases and we do interact with PD daily actually in code enforcement they are one of our best allies um because we do not um have the same enforcement capabilities and they certainly are our partners so perhaps we will what we should do is go back and speak to the city attorney's office and the prosecutor's office about the admin fine section in the code and how maybe we could start using that obviously we're still going to need proof and so we would still need a ticket or a police call with a citation or at least the documentation that it happened to kind of make a record if you will to issue some of those fines that's certainly i won't lie that's certainly some work on everybody's part but perhaps we can have some conversations about how we might be able to do that and we could come back and let you know what we think is feasible with regard to them councilmember i think peck how do let's go peck martin waters okay thank you i am actually going to make some motions because i want to see parts of this ordinance changed um it says uh in the ordinance that um rental of a second or invest investment dwelling unit as a short-term rental is limited to one per long month resident so i would like to move make a motion i move that a rented a rental of a second or investment dwelling unit may not be used as a short-term rental it can only be used as a long-term rental to one limited to one per long month resident so just to be clear is the motion to get rid of short-term rentals all together in long no no the short-term rental is your primary residence you can rent it when you are not living there according to the ordinance but you have to live there six months out of the year do we allow short-term rentals other than that harold yes we do it says right in the ordinance rental yes yeah okay so what you would do is take away a second right non-residential location they can have but it's a long they can have investment properties long-term rental but i want to remove it the second or investment dwelling as a short-term rental i want to remove that all right so talk about sorry say that again dr waters i said i'll second that motion okay customer all right so do we have anybody for or against the motion currently all right customer christensen yes i think this would eliminate many of the the issues that councilman waters was talking about and a lot of the the secondary kind of problems that we have if and and it would still allow if for instance councilman martin's elderly couple you know if you're buying it for your parents buy it for your parents and sign it over to them and this wouldn't be a problem but then they could still rent it out to they could still rent out things they just have to you know live there but anyway so i'm i second it i guess i'm pretty sure i'm in the the lone lone voice on the other side on this one i just think that so as i've heard some of the conversation and i i think that the an llc whether it's corporation or an llc or or a partnership or whatever it is it's just a legal format for one or more people to essentially just put a property into a a something that will protect it in the event that you're faced you face financial calamity so all my properties are owned by llc's but i'm the sole owner of the llc and so by that's number one or two i don't have a problem with people if they if they own a home there are plenty of people that that aren't rich that might have chosen this to to this might be their way of retiring if they were a school teacher or if they're a firefighter or not all just because you own property does not mean that you're rich or you're a developer or you're these i mean we're making decisions tonight i think without without having data you know what we we've heard um people we've heard one group of of one neighborhoods coming in and then they obviously do not like the owner of their short-term rental um uh we've heard that again and again and again but i've had bra i've had neighbors that say the f-bomb all the time i've had neighbors that throw their cigarette butts in my yard i currently have great neighbors i don't have time to pick up dog poop or watch my dogs they bark too much and the dogs eat all the trees i mean my neighbors could say oh my gosh we don't want politicians living next door because single men who who have children and dogs just shouldn't be living in long i mean the the point is i just think that if people own property uh in general we have laws that basically say you cannot disturb the peace and if they break the law call the cops but i think that by micromanaging property owners i think that's that's just bad public policy so i'll be voting against this but councilman martin well first of all mayor bagley i'm going to tell all my friends in prospect that you don't pick up your dog poop um and they're going to get you um because as a homeowner everyone should pick up their damn dog poop i mean if they're in my backyard i pick up my dog poop outside i'm talking about in my backyard i only i pick it up once a week and yeah okay well that's still pretty nasty but okay um uh i i actually agree that llc isn't a magic word um and that if a person lives in longmont and owns a house in longmont it doesn't matter whether they put it in an ale they have it owned by an llc or own that directly but they should have to live in longmont and let the staff take care of that um you know it's the fact is that the owner of record has to live in long order point of order yes we're not talking about the motion at all talk about this motion you're talking about um llc's now and i thought we already decided that we're not going to change the motion currently on the table the motion the mayor did bring the llc thing back yes the the motion currently on the table is to make it so that um you cannot rent investment property as far as short-term rentals go meaning you give your you have to own it you have to be an owner or occupier then we'll allow short-term rentals other than that nobody else would be allowed to have a short-term rental you have to the ordinance contradicts itself and that we've already said that your short-term rental has to be owner occupied for six months if you own another investment property it it can be an investment property but i i wanted the motion is to not make it a short-term rental right and i am against that it can fine can we vote on back then because it's right well right now i i get that but councilmember martin is sharing her opinion on this and we'll we'll go ahead and hear what she has to say and we'll vote after everybody's had a chance to talk trust me i want to vote right now but we're not going to council member martin so we really have three cases we have somebody who who leaves town and rents the whole house either short term or long term while they're gone we have the case where somebody lives in the house and has a spare room or a spare suite or an auxiliary dwelling unit and they can rent that as short term or long term and then we have the whole extra house that's just an investment property um and that i think is what councilmember peck wants to eliminate if you say whole house investment properties that you never live in can't be short term rentals so that's um that's what she's saying can we confirm that nod your head councilmember peck yeah okay all right um because i think there's some confusion about what the cases have been okay uh now as it happens um i think you should be able to have a short term rental if you have one property and you live here and manage it i think what we need is enforcement i think that you know and it's a separate motion so i should talk about it later but um but i just i don't think that the ownership arrangements are the problem i think that it is the management by the owner that is the problem all right if nobody cares let's go ahead and vote on this okay i like councilmember peck's suggestion all right let's go ahead and vote all in favor of the motion which basically says that we will not allow short term rentals uh for for secondary investment property um say aye all right aye opposed say nay nay nay all right the motion carries five to two with uh mayor bagley and councilmember martin uh dissenting all right great that might solve a lot of our problems tell you the truth all right dr waters so um joanie what you made reference to um having to show cause to to rescind or or to cancel like i don't know what the right terminology is uh a license or a permit is it a license or a permit it is technically a license a business license yeah it's so what what would be the give me some an example or some examples of um what what for you would be cause and what is it in the in the ordinance it's lacking it would allow in short order uh uh dain or the planning department to withdraw or cancel a license because someone is not uh uh somebody a property is not owner occupied or they're not following the rules what what do we what what do you need this not of the ordinance when it gets to that point so when i look at the current ordinance and if you look at you know the the section three which is really the conditions of approval and it's it kind of lists out that you're complying and to some extent you know everyone is um by affidavit basically saying yes i comply with these and i agree i only live here six months out of the year we're we're relying on people to be truthful frankly about what their endeavors are um but when i look at the conditions of approval the conditions of approval allow some control of nuisance occupancy limits which are related to the building code parking restrictions and we can make those the list on there i think that perhaps what we're missing is the permit duration is one year so when it comes up for renewal we could certainly say take a look in and say hey we're not going to renew your permit for next year because we've received x number of complaints but i don't think to be honest that the ordinance as currently written gives a good legal standing to make that finding for me to either revoke a permit in particular i think requires the proof i talked about earlier um and some way to basically find someone and revoke that and i think that we need to sit down with uh deputy city attorney tate and talk a little bit about that in the next week but i think we're just missing some specific requirements that would give specific permission to revoke so in in the spirit of what the mayor was suggesting in terms of what you would bring back to us i would request that you bring back that specific uh criteria for uh that would establish that whatever cause you need to make to to cancel or withdraw a license let me just ask one more question then i'll mute if i if i'm going to go to the recycle facility the dump you know grass clippings which i don't do anymore i compost the big branches or something like that i have to show uh my utility bill i mean how difficult it is if somebody's if there is a complaint to say we need evidence it's on the homeowners part provide the evidence that they were living in the home for six months why would we have to chase that or or sleuth around that question it's on it's on them to affirmatively demonstrate that they're complying with the ordinance don't don't we have means whether it's a utility bill or some other basis for establishing that councilmember waters um we can certainly ask for for paperwork and people can provide that but it's very easy for them to just change their address under the utility account to say they live there but to not actually be there the fact is we can't account for where they are 180 days out of the year that's where we're running into trouble because people will absolutely lie and they will change their paperwork to get around these laws well if we had a lie detector test in your office that's i think obviously i'm not being uh facetious but uh then so it's not that what is it because it seems to me that we ought not to be chasing that somebody wants a license it's on them to convince us that they're that they're legit it seems to me well councilmember waters i agree and i think that we probably won't have jim be able to fund us a lie detector machine albeit that might be interesting um i think that certainly the other thing that the shannon dain and i can do is is checking with some of our other counterparts around the front range and and in the mountain communities who have more extensive short-term rental experience than we do and maybe see what some of their regulations look like and how they are doing some self-certifications from owners and how they can then take that and if they need to elevate that to revocation or to um a fine so mayor bagley we don't need to turn that into a motion or do we don't think so i think we're also i think we're also here is really tightening up the restrictions in terms of um well we have limits in terms of people and parking and those types of issues but making that a little more robust so johnny can use that in terms of so we can actually deal with the situation versus it being obscure i'm actually going to make a motion and i move that we direct staff to come up with a list of suggestions to fix the ordinance that would resolve a lot of the concerns that we're hearing from our constituents i think that's what we should do and have staff come back and then we can we can have a discussion if it's needed but they're the experts they deal with this stuff they hear it all the time and i think uh if something needs to be fixed we should ask those guys to come back and tell us what needs to be fixed i will second that mayor but i want to say that i think that the six months occupancy is a complete red herring um and that instead we should be looking we should be directing as part of your general direction to make the list we should be looking at the list of police policies if there is a complete list which you're in the process of putting together of what is a short-term rental then the police could have a checklist of if there is a nuisance call then they find out what's going on and they tag that issue or citation or whatever it is with the information that this goes into the short-term rental history of the property because then we have what we need to give this ordinance chief councilor christensen um how about using the term primary residents that means that is where you vote your way you're registered to vote that it means that is where you pay your property taxes those things are findable by our staff that's that make it that's exactly and that's what marsh is talking about too instead of sick make it a little make it a legal term make it something that's legally findable by us and um i think that's what uh councilman water well what all of us are looking for is something that enabled something you can find without relying upon their good nature i lived in san francisco and believe me the rent ordinance was a joke because there were a million ways around it and that's that's what always happens so if we use the term yeah i when you talk to tereza ask her what would enable us to find to put teeth in it and also that is findable by our staff without uh honoris um efforts thank you that is that is exactly why i made the motion herald you feel comfortable we're about ready to vote you feel comfortable bringing back something to us all right all in favor say i hi hi opposed say nay all right the motion carries unanimously thanks guys councilmember peck since we are given since joni's gonna uh get bring back a list i would like you to look at time limits on short-term limits short-term rentals for example uh minimum of a 30 day rental so that we don't end up with hotels in in residence you have to rent it for a minimum of 30 days councilmember christensen um a short-term rental is a maximum of 30 days is that what you mean you can't it's not a short-term rental if you're renting for more than 30 days yeah i guess my okay my my my only conclusion here is that my only concluding comment i don't care if i'm the mayor mayor protemer city councilmember without four of this voting um it's not policy so the motion was to have staff bring back um their suggestions on how to make this ordinance better so all right now let's move on to 11 d land development code updates section 15 point 05.020 into 030 concerning the protection of streams creeks wetlands and riparian areas i'm mayor bagley uh don britchett again plenty manager we do not have any uh special presentation or power point um as the council has heard uh previously we've been working on a number of items for council related to the sES to the wildlife management plan update and the land development code that started changes that we made back in 2018 as a result of the wildlife management plan update and then in going through the sections of code staff has proposed changes to the ordinance we've included a red line version of our proposed code changes uh that was a that was attachment one a clean version which had all of the red line strike through everything removed so that you could read it to see what it would look like if it was adopted as it's proposed by staff and then the third attachment was the appendix a from the wildlife management plan just so that you could see some of the changes that we made compared to what was in that document that you had recommended uh be approved by or that you approved for for the wildlife management plan so in our council communication on page 232 is where it starts we had seven questions and recommendations that we were hoping to get uh direction from council on and i don't know the best way if you want to go through those one at a time i'm happy to offer a brief explanation of what they were meant to do or if you just want to see if someone would want to make a motion related to each one and if there's questions i can answer those at that time but i think due to the the time of night that we're at i don't think you really want me to spend a lot of time trying to explain everything is there any so what do you i guess the real question i'm going to call on you dr waters in just a second i guess the real question is what does staff need to do to move forward with this particular land development code update because i thought i i i just i get the impression that in general council is happy with it because not as we heard from sherry maloy it's it's not perfect but it's pretty good right so what what do you what do you want from us one i would like a motion for us to go ahead and create an ordinance to bring it back to you for first reading so and then so moved second okay good all right i would have seconded it for you but i appreciate i appreciate that okay what else do you need uh did you want to vote on that well we could but dr waters has something to say and then we'll go from there and then councillor christensen and councillor peck they all and councillor i think we all have some they all i see lots of hands we'll start dr waters well my question was going to be given the staff recommendation there are three options in the staff number two was direct the staff to prepare an ordinance which is what you moved in was seconded my i was then going to ask don do we need to answer these questions individually or would the motion include the acceptance of staff recommendations because there's an affirmative recommendation in each of those seven areas uh to attach or to include in the motion if that you know that's the case i think we will have accomplished almost everything that staff wanted to accomplish with this item is that if you if you would if you would make it a friendly amendment to the motion to take staff's recommendations for those seven items we would proceed in that manner with the ordinances as we've explained them in the council com yes you're correct would you accept that amendment oh absolutely then i move that amendment all right uh council member so based on the motion on the table to direct staff to bring back an ordinance with the amendment that it being compliance with staff suggestions is there anybody in opposition to that all right let's go ahead and vote on it and then uh this council okay hold on one second council member redargo faring actually i'm sorry sorry i'm going to call on suzie only because she rarely talks and then we'll go to the others council member redargo faring okay um so i wanted to add an amendment to this as well um to make a motion to direct staff to um require all current and future development proposals in listening to that once it goes through the first and second reading that'll be done by the end of august i feel you know in the meantime you know we still need to protect these areas so if we're passing this tonight i would like to starting as of tomorrow have all future current and future proposals be under this new um ldc requirement do you have a second the only the only problem is that in order for a lot to be created by this council we need a first reading and then a second reading both the regular session and then after that second reading the law becomes effect 10 days later so i'm not opposed to your idea i just don't see how there's a i mean we i don't see how it's going to be possible to retroactively do it but council member martin so the sooner we pass it the better is the moral yeah council member martin i i would like to point out the aversion that is substantially similar to this is already in effect so it's not like our riparian borderlands are entirely unprotected at at at this point the this is as is adding in some of the wildlife management plan that wasn't ready um but it's it's gonna be okay if we follow the normal process that's all i wanted to say council member back thank you mayor backley um and i'm trying to go through this uh plan really fast and it was number three did you was the council recommendation to include the fort collins criteria if not that's that's what i would want so i'm not sure i want to uh i can't find it really fast on the it's a few questions and my question to you is was your uh was what staff wanted us to accept was including the fort collins criteria there's a revised version of the fort collins criteria and that was the staff recommendation yes i just wanted clarification thank you did i did i vote for it all right there's motion on the table let's go ahead and vote all in favor say aye aye opposed say nay all right the motion carries unanimously mr britchett thank you very much well done my friend yes council member back so um this is for either Eugene or harold or don or um what is the timeline i know we're in a horrible budget year but do we have a timeline for hiring the environmental planner and volunteer coordinator or is that going to be put on hold until we get to a better is that one of the things that we're sidelined those positions are frozen right now um and as we're moving through the financials we're evaluating it i think to talk about just um so everyone understands the decision making process we've talked about needing staff to support operational staff via rangers we've talked about the need for code enforcement officers and all of these things have to be weighed against each other that's one piece the other piece is we don't want to fill positions and then realize six months down the road we've got a different problem right okay thank you for that answer you're welcome thank you council have a great night all right great let's go ahead and take a three minute break as we open it up for final call uh public invited to be heard all right do we have anybody by any chance on the final call no mayor no one has called in all right let's go ahead and move on to mayor and council comments anybody uh council member fairing just want to remind everyone to wear a mask i just received word tonight that a dear friend has been tested positive for covid um and yeah it's it's it's very unnerving um and you know i had been in contact with them so i'm kind of now i'm going to do a little self isolation here um to make sure that i symptoms don't show up on on my family and myself um but yeah just you know be careful be safe be kind to one another i know with the um occurring rallies and protesting something that was i got an email that was really upsetting um and just how people are interacting with them with each other i think i've seen a lot of um you know just some postings about um some of the rallies occurring that they're carrying assault rifles you know really you know what is the intent so really look at you know impacts that we create when we are interacting with each other and just you know be kind and be forgiving and be patient um that's all i have to say all right i guess i just the only thing i'd like to say is uh our our community on monday lost uh lost an asset somebody who i considered a good friend um ellen ginsborg um i'm not going to blame his death on anything um other than obviously a feeling of despair and hopelessness and um he uh it's rare i think that uh men and women in uh in in business um you can point to somebody and say they always kept their word or they were just they were just on the up and up in all the years i'd work with allen is a city council member than his mayor um i was also his neighbor commercially i was on the third floor he was on the first floor um he kept his word um you might not have liked his projects or the or the industry he was in um but he was he was honorable and he was smart he was a good family man and he uh gave a lot to this community and will be sorely missed so my my heart goes out to his his widow and his children and um uh city city council and the city of longmont um just want to extend our our condolences and uh and our appreciation to the man who was in his allen ginsborg so um anything else all right herald do you have anything no comments mayor council all right eugene no comments mayor all right then with that we have a motion to adjourn councilmer christensen second all right all in favor say aye all right i oppose say nay all right it passes six to six to nothing with councilmember peck absent looks like she fell asleep all right we'll see you guys next time we're done bye