Please get that net Oh It's all right. All right, dude. I mean this might be my baby. We're like I'm talking big dude like please How much don't throw them in the net all right you got a giant Allen Allen Oh There he is net big Big well boys welcome to another video thing you guys so much for the support if you guys have not subscribed already Be sure to hit that subscribe button hit the notification bell because we're the latest fishing channel on YouTube and that is a verifiable fact And today we're gonna be trying to catch some fish. Um, if you guys have been enjoying the I cannot talk what is going on if you guys have been enjoying the content recently be sure to hit that like button as well We are here at Douglas Lake yet again. I got Allen Bob that just backed me in low Joe is actually coming He's gonna be a little late So but we're gonna be trying to do some fishing today because we're wondering about the conditions is blue bird skies About zero wind and the Sun is blaring out right now and it is about 40 degrees So I don't know what to expect guys. I really don't I'm hoping the fish I'm hoping the big ones are in a bite today. I'm hoping we're gonna get on a good bite I just don't know what to expect with how the conditions are we had a cold front Hit yesterday So it's probably gonna be tough, but you know, we're gonna give it a try We're gonna give it our best, you know, we're gonna film a straight raw video today guys We're making a video of this no matter what I'm gonna be talking about what I'm doing We're gonna try to catch some fish and you know, if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen But if it happens it happens. That's how we're rolling today Hey Bob, what's up, man? Why just talk to an old boy that came and put his boat up zero Didn't catch fish didn't catch nothing Straight zeroed so that's not gonna be us to the Alibaba That's not gonna be us man. We're gonna catch fish. We're about to go hit our first spot I just picked out a little creek that we're gonna go in try some up shallow to start off with We're gonna try some check here some shallow fish and if we have to we're gonna come out a little bit deeper We're gonna hit some secondary points find some rock and clay banks Maybe some little transition banks from rock to clay and that's kind of what we're gonna start off with And we're gonna go work back all the way into the creeks where it's super super shallow as in dirt shallow And I'll see if there's some big ones back there, but let's go ahead and give it a try He's throwing a jerkbait too Don't really have any wind, but I don't know how these fish I gotta look at the graph See how these fish are staging up man. See if they in that 10 foot 10 foot range Well guys, we just stopped at her first little spot really not far I mean we just right by the ramp. I was gonna go back in this little creek And I saw this little main lake bluff wall right here a ton of rock Right here good little point and it's a little divot right here. So it's small. It's not like I wouldn't call it a pocket I guess we call it like a small pocket off the main lake There's a good chance a big in it's sitting off that point. So Ready to smunch a jerkbait It makes too much sense. I'm gonna give this try I gotta see how these fish are staging up on the graph. We both start off with jerkbaits That's kind of what was working the other day for us, but then again conditions are totally flopped Straight bluebird skies zero wind. We got a little wind, but I Don't know I guess we'll see Yeah, it looks like these fish are on the bottom today. I can already tell you that look at the little baby ball of bait Got a lot of fish on the bottom. Oh Oh, no, no, we got two at the top right there about the troll motor Long skip with the seven six Whoo You see that That was the only little slot to eating the back of it Let's lift up eight pounder Oh boys, we got a sunken houseboat right here and I sunk sunken but half the boat's in the water And I saw this Before we were driving to our next spot And I was like man, we have to casted this because we catch fish on this.  I don't know. I saw this I was like Not that I even think there's a fish on it. Just Maybe it'd be cool for the vid, man Let's go I'm gonna go back in one of these creeks We'll hit this thing later.  I thought I leaned into him, bro, and I was like big Big well, we got the monkey offer back now, baby. I hooked him in the top of the head. I thought he was huge I was just pulling him. I felt his head. I was like oof Heck that is the monkey offer back now. It's time to catch him came back here in this shallow pocket It's got some deep water by it and chucking the trap as yo-yo in it and I snagged him in top of the head I don't know if he swatted at it.  I was like, oh man.  That's like a four pounder four and a half pounder All right boys That's what we came here for today. You know, I hooked that second one. I think we're figuring something out now on this trap I had that first one a second ago. What like what five minutes ago? And uh, you know On the trap that's on the trap man. That's that's what we're coming here for look at this tummy on the That's a big one right there boys What a beautiful fish solid like four pounder Oh man, we're gonna keep on continuing doing this. I think we're figuring something out now. So Oh, we should be good. Let's go out and bob. Let's go Making sense now You can tell they're eating finicky, you know, he barely had it when he came up. I barely saw you had it I was like, please do not spit it Dude that was crazy, man That scared me There's a good one. So yeah, I saw that I was like, what the heck is going on with that? I got him hold. Oh no I didn't even look dude. I just like was looking over Is you actually have one?  I just whacked I had my eyes over here I was like looking and I was like just ripping it and I was like, oh god. I didn't even look I don't know Little halftime break guys. We're about to get pickup lojo right now. It's been tough We got to one of them being a really quality fish, but nothing's kind of falling together to really make sense The water is a lot warmer back in these little creeks and little pockets Kind of looking for those laydowns that are in the water on those little transition banks from rock to clay and the sand On those little transitions that are coming back here in these little pockets and some of these little feeder creeks And we haven't had any more bites, you know, we had those two in that one and I was talking to him That that was more towards the lake main lake We're way back in a creek right now and that one specific little pocket was towards the mouth Of you know, the main lake and I'm thinking that's what made the big difference because it wasn't just like we call one Fish in there is there's two in there and I know there's a lot more Um, so that's kind of what we're going to go look for now. We're just experimenting back here Really trying to kill time before lojo gets out here because I have somewhere I really want to go to I kind of want to make a long run because sometimes on days like today A certain part of the lake will fish a lot better than another so maybe it's just this part I talked to another guy that fish yesterday and he said everything's just random Just kind of like what happened to us and he said all the fish he's catching are like one pounders Well, I mean, that's that's pretty quality when we caught on know There's more in here and all the people we see out here aren't catching anything It's just it's a tough day man It's the worst conditions after a cold front bluebird skies zero to no wind and it's just you know, it's tough I swear to this jay I get casted Get casted accurately Damn one just came up to the trolling board. Hey, let me look. Yeah, you're here. You got him. Oh, is he big?  Dude, that's a good fish.  That's a fat. That's a six pounder. That's that's pushing that's pushing up there That's a six pounder Holy cow Alan just caught a toad, bro solid six Lojo Look at the gut on that sucker, man. That's a big fish, man. That's a toad, man Show Lojo that thing Good job, bro. I'm proud of you.  So what was it on Alan the trap? Oh, yeah, one knocker Red man, bro. That's that's what the other two the same fish came on today I don't know if this tree are just like a long bang On the bank, bro He was right there I just felt that weight and then Bro, that is good job, man. I'm proud. Thank you. Gosh. Thank you for show him his belly one more time Okay, bro, we got two to ludes. All right, lojo.  Yeah, yeah, big dude big I don't think I got him. Yeah, I got something dude. What is it? You got a foul hook. Is that why? Yeah, look at it Failed him What's happening today, boys? There's like swiping at it. That's crazy. I mean it's We need to get the red trap on kids. That's obvious and I have a little fatties, man, but I don't know the two small ones we caught today. The big ones ate it, but the small ones just swatting at it Yep, look at him. We got him right away. He's tying it on. Yeah, that's what's happening, but small guy on the trap What's happening now? They're at least survived. I don't know if you just swatted at it. I don't really know but red trap again All right, lojo. It's your turn I wonder if they're swatting at it. None of them have evaded good today.  Dude, it bumped me so hard. I hit my gopher with my rod It's like they're not eating it. Heck, I want you to catch one I know.  Please get that net Oh, it's all right. All right, dude. I mean this might be my peebeat. Oh my god. We're like, I'm talking big, dude like Please How much don't throw them in the net. All right, just be sure to be careful I swear I had the biggest fish in my life Dude when I went like this I felt his tail go like this but I thought it was a bass his head.   Yeah, dude. I just like Felt him. It felt like he hit it man. I just went to the side and I felt his tail go I thought it was his head, but I thought I saw you turn and your arm shaking. I was like, oh, dude I was like this is crazy. Yeah, dude. That scared me man.  I didn't know what to my forearms on fire right now I should have known better that that wasn't a bass dude because if it was he was 10 plus.  I'm letting them Just right there trying to catch a big and I uh, man, it's been so slow I don't get it and then when you run into a fish, he's big So it's just nothing makes sense really another back in these cuts It's just really finicky and we're fishing really fast, you know covering a lot of water That's really what we're trying to do because I mean, we don't have too much time So we're just Beating around doing that whole deal. I'm trapped still winning the whole event the whole deal I got four fish on it. I mean a big goldfish A big big carp, but the other Joe is hoping he's about to catch a big one That's what I'm hoping. He is just getting screwed left and right. We're all getting screwed left and right, but I'm about to pick up my rod and finish off strong right here back in this cut I cannot cast right now. I can't see That tree in the back. I got him I don't know what I got. Yeah, I do got a fish. I do got a fish man. Look at that little guy Stroking it as the best one ate it all day and yeah, he actually thumps it Hello Joe All right, you're gonna catch one back there fish number five. Well, we have a limit today I'm bait. I think he squeaks squeaks in. All right guys coming to the end of the day We got five four in here four in here. I can't talk right now. We got two little twinkies, man Keepers, but they're twinkies. I'm just going to get a little quick little release on them We're jumping on the bottom that there's back and these are the ones you guys want to see How the Allen Bob Allen balls got a big and dude Whoa, Yatsy before you reach in there Check out the shoulders of that that thing right there because that's a nice fish But uh, but that's a that's a big one right there. That's a tank Oh, won't y'all both both grab them. All right boys Oh, yeah, that's frickin On that guy It's always like this man, so they can see yeah, but yeah, put them belly to belly Look at that. I mean the fish that we caught today guys were big. It was just a Like I'm not gonna say horrible man. Yeah. I mean look at this fish. These are good fish, but these two fish weigh over 10 pounds right here It's just You couldn't get that bite. I mean we've had like six bass today. I think there's just two giants man back That's a big it's a big and boys. Let's get them back in the water You can go ahead first Alan Bob. That's stomach on that thing Oh, yeah All right guys They're ready There we go. That's a pretty fish Guys, I hope you guys enjoyed this video if you did be sure to hit that like button If you guys are new to the channel be sure to hit the subscribe button as well There's a notification bell right next to that be sure to press that just got back to Atlanta On my been child and you know official lojo official to alan bob and that was on duglas lake Just got back from the classic. It was awesome meeting a ton of supporters there Very thankful for each and every one of you guys and everybody who came out to me shook my hand and reduced herself Thank you guys so much for support. It truly means the world I want you guys to comment below what type of videos you want to see next if you're enjoying the boat videos Let me know because we're on spring break right now And I'm trying to fish in the boat as much as possible because I have a lot more time to travel And get out on the water and I've been having a blast. We've been catching some big ins We didn't catch many fish in this video, but the ones that we did were absolutely quality Fish and we had a blast. 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Well, hello and welcome to this final session of the World Economic Forum here in Delhi. It's been a really, really, I don't say this every time, a really good last two days with people getting more practical and more nitty-gritty and not just ideas up in the air. And you can see the amount of enthusiasm because of the absolutely full hold is a standing room only. Thank you all very much for joining us. In this final session, we want to talk about what steps are needed by India for India to take off. What specific steps are needed? One thing we have all sat together and promised what we will not do. We will not make any statements which are motherhood and apple pie. Like we're not going to say we need better infrastructure, we need better schools, we need better medicine, we need better people, we need better everything. That's like our Indian cricket commentators.  We want to know how do you bat well, how do you bowl well, and how do you catch or catch? So we're going to ask some tough questions and I can see some people here who are going to ask, make some tough questions and answers too. And we couldn't have better minds amongst us. We have Vijay, a most amazing personality who's been a rebel all his life. He's a dropout from classroom, he dropped out from his classroom to the computer room. Sorry, first row to last row to computer room. And has been an entrepreneur and a disruptor all your life. God bless you. And of course with Paytm now disrupting India and the entire financial world. We have Amitabh Kant, who is, I would consider most unlike any government officer that you normally meet, thank God. And most respected I'd say. And he's really responsible for pushing India's digital transformation. And he's really doing a fine job, but we'll find out exactly how. We have Geeta, who amongst all of us is the most brilliant mind. Was that saying, not saying much? I remember when we used to do the world this week now, people used to say, that is the best program on Durdarshan. Hello, was that saying, is that a compliment? Anyway, those who were of that era before your time will remember what that means. So the professor at Harvard, and she's not just a theoretician, she's practical down to earth. In fact, she's even advising the Kerala government as we speak. And of course we have Johann Orik, am I pronouncing that right? It's pretty close. Roughly, yeah. So we have an academic, we have a government servant, we have a startup entrepreneur, and we have a man who combines all three. You couldn't get a better panel, right? Let's have a round of applause for this wonderful panel. Now, you know, it's tough to get anchors to shut up, but I'm going to just give you the format of the show today. We're not going to have questions only at the end, because we're dividing this into five topics. And at the end of each topic, about 10 minutes, please ask your questions, I'll ask you, on that topic. And at the end, we'll have free for all for any question. But don't ask a different issue when we're discussing, like our first topic is protectionism. Should India protect its startups from foreign competition? We'll go into that in a bit of depth. And you've got questions on that. Please raise your hand and we'll ask. You can fire it to anybody in the panel.  Is this a antagonistic relationship, or can they both help each other? The third topic we'll be discussing is, has the government got any role to play in this new digital transformation world? Or should they just stay out of it? Is that the best thing they can do? Or if they're going to stay in, what should they do? The fourth topic is about China, where we know they have $280 billion Ali Baba, they have $100 billion companies. Are they our friend in this whole process? We're growing?  China and similarly other parts of the world. And finally, and really to take off, any country needs just one thing. You need an ability to laugh at yourself. Do we Indians have an ability to laugh at ourselves? And we're going to ask each one of you to try and prove one area, or tell us one area where we really need to laugh at ourselves. And there's actually quite a few areas where we can laugh at ourselves. So if you've got any in the audience where you can think of why Indians, journalists can't laugh at themselves. Journalists are above all this. We can't laugh. We are very self-important. Okay, so let's dive into the first topic. And that is about protectionism. As I mentioned, China has $280 billion Ali Baba, $50, $70, $80 billion, $100 billion companies. And when any foreigner, forget China, Amazon or anybody who all these come into India, they bring in a huge amount of money. They bring in funds. They're not necessarily bringing in technology. They're not bringing innovation. They're not bringing new ideas. But one thing they do bring in is money.  Kita, protectionism or not? So I guess I would disagree a little with you about the fact that they only are bringing in money and not bringing in technology. Some of this is kind of embedded in the people that come and work here, in who they hire and how they get trained. So there is transfer of soft skills if not the hard skills. I'm in general in favor of, and I suspect most people would be in favor of having a competitive environment, as long as we have a level playing field. So as long as we agree that the access of Indian firms to finance, I don't think we lack for great innovators in India. If that is the case, I don't see a reason to have a very strong policy anti big companies coming in. At the same time, I actually do like very much the idea of tying up foreign direct investment with some kind of technology transfer, too. The Chinese model relied a lot on that. So does the Chinese model actually almost prevent foreign competition from coming in? That's how Alibaba grew. I mean, they just don't have foreigners coming in a little bit lately, but even those that came so late they couldn't make a dent. You're selling out there. You're talking about the more recent industries, but China has been doing this for the last 25, 30 years. And so initially, they were bringing in foreign companies that came in and were also transferring technology. And so that certainly, there is a space for that to happen. But again, my punchline would be to create a level playing field to make sure that... Because anything that's done to prevent competition is a problem. That's a point because protectionism in the old days used to lead to monopolies and inefficiency in India, and we hate protectionism. But here, when you've got protectionism, you've got so many startups, they're not going to be monopolies. They're going to be, in fact, over-competition. So do you feel level playing field doesn't quite exist because foreigners coming in have already become $150 billion companies, and they've got so much money, our startups cannot compete? Prenu, you need to look beyond just e-commerce. The digital world actually transcends the boundaries of e-commerce. Actually, the kind of innovative things Indian startups are doing and amazing things in the field of health. You look at concio-medical, you look at Pratt or you look at some of these new startups like Mitra Biotech. I mean, they've relocated from Stanford to India. So the amazing amount of work, they're bringing in a different energy vitality into Indian growth and development. Now, many of these startups require FDIs. It's impossible to grow without a lot of investments coming into them. I mean, look at even a company like Paytm. I mean, Paytm has attracted investments because you had a very dynamic entrepreneur like Vijay here. And the Chinese model was a very close model, but India's opened up in 1991, and since then it's just opened up, opened up, opened up, and we've now believed against protectionism of any kind. So we need to allow Indian entrepreneurship to grow. We need Indian young entrepreneurs. We need young entrepreneurs. To my mind, we need young entrepreneurs to take on the Amazons of the world. And we need them to take on Amazons of the world by sheer ability on technology and by the ability to understand the Indian market scenario much better. Vijay, now Geetha, I want key factor, level playing field. But when a foreigner comes in, he's got everything else level, technology, skill sets, manager, we have great entrepreneurs, but then he's got 10 billion dollars to lose, which our startups don't have. Now, you're in both sides of this, so you would really understand which is better to have a bit of protection like China or not. First of all, level playing field is a good word, but reality is that everybody is built with a construct which is not so straightforward to be identified that you have a level playing field. People have structures and the aging of the business and opportunity of access to the capital, which is totally different because you're structured in a way that you can access something else versus an Indian company can access and so on. I truly believe that opportunity for Indian entrepreneurs is to build a global company out of India and not give India as a market to a global company. It is not just our duty or an obligation, but it is our right to build India as a market even if it is an open market that exists today there. Because I do not believe that entrepreneurs do not have enough energies and capabilities to fight this managerial, if you will, the talent there. And I'm not treating that it is an entrepreneur versus manager gap, but I'm trying to say an entrepreneur can tweak around the business model with a lot more freedom then a manager would be able to do it if the market conditions change and that person has to have a buy-in at a headquarter back. So playing on the advantages of who you are and playing on the disadvantage of what your target is is the business about it. And fundamentally here, if money is your answer to the problem, you've not found the answer to the problem yet. It is not about tens of billions of dollars. I don't think... But isn't that a little easier to say than done? I do not think... Everybody's got same entrepreneurship, same technology, but somebody's got ten billion. It is absolutely not. Masa's son was not a family that would have inherited a soft bank and built what it is today. In the label-playing field in that country and there are examples in this room, it would have not been possible in a way that, oh, no, I have the same excess and same not or not. It is the energy and the passion that brings over and take over the chasm. Let's talk about the car makers, if you will. Japan created Toyota, Nissan and Honda and talk about when they were landing in Japan, they were making this car. They were building cars for Japan in a market which was local. They were not building guest guzzlers like Americans were building or they were not making cars like the Germans were building. They were building cars which were made for Japan. And when they had built and owned it, they went to the world market and today we know what who sells more in U.S. than who sells more. U.S. company or a German company? Actually bounce that off you, Johan. In our television sector, especially in the news sector, we didn't allow foreigners to have a majority and they invested in many other companies, Indian companies and Indian companies have grown and they've far outstripped BBC, CNN. I mean, BBC and CNN used to be, or BBC used to be 70% of the market, now they're less than 7%. But Indian entrepreneurship and journalism has grown, some may say grown too fast and too far, but anyway, we'll come to that another point, but it has created a huge industry. Is that needed in not just e-commerce, digital transformation where foreigners have to invest with Indians or can they come in independently? I first of all completely agree with what the previous people have said. But they all said different things. No, but the basic thing was the same, that for innovation and for growth and particularly for startups, it's not capital that's the short resource, it's brilliant people and brilliant business models to make profit with that. That is what we have a shortage of. I love the saying, anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger and I really believe in that. And you know what some of the most entrepreneurial areas are in the world, it's often the most difficult areas in the world where there's no support from any government or even a government that opposes you. You would be amazed how many startups there are in Paris, arguably a government that makes life for companies very difficult. Africa the same, some of the most brilliant entrepreneurs come from Africa. Look what happens in Kenya in the telecom sector. And so it's not capital that's the shortage, it's really bright entrepreneurial people. Capital helps bright entrepreneurial people. It happens at some point. There's more than enough capital around to the world, particularly with the current interest rate environment. There's no shortage of capital, there's a shortage of bright people and good business models. And second of all, I would argue... We've got too many bright people, we don't have capital. It's not easy to raise 10 billion to get a startup in the last three years against a major American company that's in here. It's still an issue. But before you were born, I used to follow China very closely and I covered the first McDonald's that came to China. It was opened on the crossroads. On one side was the first McDonald's, on the other side was a huge poster of Deng Xiaoping with his arm like the blessing McDonald's. That was a great symbol. It was a great piece to camera for a flunky journalist. But they did protect their industries for a long while. They got 80 billion dollars a year on foreign investment and everybody said every 20 billion dollars in foreign investment, not in the stock market, investment is almost 1% on your growth rate. At that time, we were getting 3 billion. So they had 80 billion. So they seem to have done everything right. Can we learn from them? Well, they did many things right. I wouldn't say they did everything right. There are sectors that we're not discussing today that they didn't do great things about. And also the most recent last five years in trying to prevent their growth rates from coming down too much, they've been fueling it with credit. And that's a model we simply should not be adopting, having a credit field expansion. Everybody's talking about that being a bit of a bubble. I think the fact that we've learned looking around the world is that whenever we've seen growth that's basically been fueled by credit, the fact that there will be a crash has been almost with certainty. So we don't want that in India. While we're talking about capital, I just want to make that very clear. This is not about suddenly opening up the tabs and making 10 billion dollars available to all startups in India. So what China did, some of the things right, which is in terms of how their own special style of ease of doing business, which is getting things done when people came in and they had to start companies and they needed land and they needed permits, those things were available. So they also focused a lot on education, they focused a lot on increasing human capital. Those are the kinds of things that are lessons for India to take. It's not specific. This is not science that's come out of China. I think that's the way best practices have been everywhere in the world. And so it's quite clear what India needs to do. When I was in the finance ministry many years ago, when you were also a bachha, we had a lot of protectionism and we were opening up. That was the time of opening up. And every industrialist used to come I was just a joint secretary and these top industrialists to walk into my room as though I was king. Spend a bit of time in government, you feel like you're God. They really treat you like that and they all say one thing, I'm totally in favour of opening up the economy. But in my industry there are specific conditions. This one you should not open. So it's great to hear you saying, open up. But are we kind of a reflex against a failed policy of the past which doesn't quite apply here because that created crony capitalism and monopolies. Now in digital transformation all the examples you gave, no question of crony capitalism. These guys are entrepreneurs and they're competing against each other. So is it a different world? Pranay, you just can't copy the Chinese model to an Indian soil. And last two years we've opened up just about everything. So let me say socialism with the Chinese context, whatever, China with the Indian context. So India has to have its own growth model. And India last two years, if you look at it, we've opened up defence, we've opened up railways, we've opened up construction, e-commerce, we've opened up insurance, pension funds, we've grown. We've opened up everything. Our FDA has grown by 53% at a point of time and globally it's declined by 16%. We are the number one FDA recipient country in the world. We've beaten China at it. You can't suddenly backtrack. You'll be sending a very, very wrong message. Now you want to say that I want to protect my startups?  And since when have you become a great advocate of protectionism? Me? Look, I am an anchor. I have no views. I agree with her. I agree with him and I agree with you. Anchors don't have views for God's sake. So my belief is... I agree. I don't like that. And I... Maybe you want to protect the newspapers. Anchors. Okay, how many of you here believe the startups in this new digital world need protectionism for five years? How many believe they do need protectionism? Zero percent.  What do you say when we're not in the room? 100% believe there should be freedom of all types, even if it's not a level playing field. Even if it's not a level playing field. Okay, this is hardcore. Hardcore. Any startup here? In the audience. Okay. Are you worried? Do we have a mic? You can ask a question. I want to be very clear. I am not for protectionism, but I have to counter you to make the best come out of you. And I don't... As I said, anchor, no views, no ideas, no IQ. Pranoy, I... Pranoy, we are actually completely in the same belief as Vijay that out of India we can build well-beating stuff. You've got to find your niche. You've got to skate smartly. Got a question for them? Anybody? Yeah, here's the question. I just have one question. Of course, I mean... Amitabh, you, Pranoy, your background. Indigenous manufacturing capabilities became what it is today because you had licensed Raj in the past. So you could protect your industry to become capable before they could address the global markets. True or not? I don't know. You're saying that whatever you do, how do you make sure that you can insulate some of these people to excel in what they do in some shape or form so they can actually compete in the world and not just the e-commerce? You know, you've got to create the right ecosystem. I mean, what is it that has enabled 1,500 multinational corporations to relocate their global innovation centers to Bangalore and Hyderabad? I mean, they're innovating for the rest of the world based in India. You know, and Indians are innovating for themselves but for the rest of the world. But we don't have a $280 billion company. Pranoy, that will happen. I mean, you just started liberalizing. Your liberalization started in 1991. China started two decades before. So your process of wealth creation has just happened. I mean, people like Vijay have just started creating wealth now.  I mean, so just... What do you mean? He already is. He already is. Okay, let's move on to our next topic because we've been shouted at that we're going over time. And that is about the competition or is it complementary between digital world and the bricks and mortar world? Say retail, for example. Small retailer and the e-commerce retailer. Is it... We know that in some senses the digital world gives a small retailer an all-India market. I remember a startup give me an example. His aunt used to sell saris. She used to go from shop to shop and beg them, don't put it so low, let people see it and they'd be treated like dirt by the shopkeeper. And she could hardly sell. Now she sells 17 crores a year of saris on the various platforms. So the digital world has provided the small entrepreneur an all-India market. So is it Vijay competition? Because retailers and they're a powerful lot in India as a lobby are very worried. So how do you tell a retailer, don't worry, it's not competitive, it's complementary. I think... I don't think that retailers in India are worried about technology-led companies because technology-led companies give them also that equal market. What they're worried about is exactly what you a while back were talking that international companies come and throw money and that becomes a little sort of irrational playing field. And in the offline retailer space it looks like that offline, online, online does that irrational exuberance of money in a way which is what brings a conflict or tension. It is not about the technology can support them or not. I'm a fundamental believer and foundational believer that technology is an inevitable journey for anyone who does not have a technology play yet even if it is part of efficiency or growth whichever way you choose to do it. You will not live without it. You have to live with it and not live with it but maximize your outcome with it. You're saying it's inevitable. Inevitable? It is just that irrational spending by the online that gets challenged, I think. But Gita, isn't the government worried about this that the retailers will start protesting on the streets and therefore we have to protect them? I mean we are a democracy and anarchy democracy and we love that aspect of us but is that a political worry? Again, to be clear this is not a debate about big versus small because this could be two small people but providing the same service differently. Maybe the digital person or the digital company has lower costs or something. Yeah, but I'm just saying that previously when you had these discussions about these conflicts it was about the big guy versus the small guy. Now it's about if you look at Uber and Ola it's about the previous taxi driver versus the new person who's a small entrepreneur or a self-employed who decides to drive around the car. So question is who do you pick? Are you going to pick the small taxi driver? Are you going to pick the small household person? Is it a question of picking one or can you say both will flourish? I don't think governments can choose that and I don't think that they can have any special knowledge or special advantage in figuring out that okay, the way technology is going we should be supporting this particular group of people and not these other group of people. But the problem is they can influence it. For example, they say you can't have foreign investment if you're going to stock the products. No, you can't have a surge pricing you can't have number of cars. Today morning we got to know from the IPP secretary that a city in this country has a limit on number of cars that sort of protects in a way who is running it versus number of cabs which otherwise could have been created. I thought we were talking about what they should do not what they're doing in terms of what's the right thing to do. They can, so should they not? Should they do this kind of protection and just forget the fact that they're going to lose a lot of votes with the small guys? I have no politically interest in this matter. But I think what is true and this is not something to be ignored which is the fact that it's no longer the case that one can say I'm going to let a big constituency of people just suffer in the transition to a better world. So there is certainly a need for some stepping in but it cannot be something that's irrevocable. Like what we did in the past in India which was protect certain sectors for small scale industry. Those were very, very hard to change because it just doesn't change very quickly. But you can think of short run things somehow on their own laps over time. That might be okay. So intervene but for us a transition. Is it a bit like again going back a bit when computers came in, everybody said don't let them in, our clocks are going to lose out but they will come in. So are we, when we are kind of doing these limits on the new technologies, is that just you know something against the wind which is a tornado and it's going to take over anyway. Uber and Ola or that model will take over and you're just delaying it. What's the size of our e-commerce? It's about 25 billion. Take it from me by 2025 this is going to be 300 billion. And this is going to happen because we're the only country with a billion mobile but we'll be a billion smartphone. But let me come to that. Does that terrify the small retailer? No. The only way you can the small retailer must embrace technology. The small retailer he wants to do brick and mortar please do it but embrace technology you can do both brick and mortar and e-commerce but there's no way you can stop e-commerce.  Are you showing a government officer because you're saying open up embrace technology something's wrong here new generation I must say. Do you see a conflict? You can be honest. I'm paid to be honest actually and I really think you're in the protectionist camp I'm sitting with amazement I'm following this conversation autocratic and no opinion either that's clear I really think what has been said is what I firmly believe if you look at a player like let's go to a different country not to India which is maybe a bit less sensitive let's go to Amazon Amazon is one of the biggest creators through it's platforms through it's e-commerce platform retailers, small monopop shops to sell anything over their platform not just a couple of dozen or so hundreds and thousands and it can be totally complimentary the example of Uber was given it's about embracing it's about embracing technology and it's not only about e-commerce it's about everything different channels certainly retailers need to use all of that so let me ask everybody here hands up for those who feel that the new technology and the bricks and mortar are in direct competition I think I'm in the I would just as a health warning we're not in a typically Indian audience this is not a random sample here you ask it, what is it how many believe that they are complimentary and they will the small scale sector will benefit from the digital transformation it's consistent I would say 90% say yes still 10% who don't know because zero put their hands up for competition any questions on this particular issue here there's a question just take a mic I'm Kamal Hingarani from SpiceChit come from aviation and tourism so the aspect of online travel agents 7-8 years back the likes of ClearTrip make my trip and all came in and there was a huge hue and cry by the brick and mortar saying that they are taking away our business but the reality is like Amitabh just mentioned that the small brick and mortar also had to embrace technology to a certain point and they still survived because they provide that personalized service which probably an online an OTA may not be able to so maybe a similar complimentary thing would be possible so my question is to Vijay who talked of technology having taken over so if we take the example of OLA where we are saying that OLA and OBA will probably completely overshadow the individual Kali Peeli do you think the same thing will happen to travel agents, the brick and mortar Kali Peeli means taxi my learning has been that technology adds to the consumption it's not a zero sum in a way because it is easily available and I can I will consume more if the rest of the economy is growing in a way technology increases consumption of an economy because convenience and availability changes we sometime later will become impulse buyers of things which we might have not even thought that we would buy because it is easily accessible in a way and that stands for that even if you were to have online massive number of people to sell digital travel plans ultimately overall travel will grow and people will find their own niche and spaced out opportunities by the way we had a bigger question a while back when Mr. Mithal and other team were sitting here that technology eventually the question was a really important which just leads to this technology artificial intelligence robotics and so on is getting so efficient that higher strata jobs jobs where doctor was operating and a robot arm was operating and trading floors where bankers or security traders were trading versus a robot bought was trading and these are fabulously, fantabulously ahead of human thought processes so effectively while the efficiency will come and at jobs people will get to do a few more things the bigger challenge of this technology will be or maybe and that is a question that was being debated I think where we should go is are these technologies challenging a job itself while efficiency is coming? Would you say it challenges jobs in the short run but in the long run like computers it creates jobs? I don't think anybody can answer that question right now there is a lot of uncertainty about I mean every time there has been the so called industrial revolution that's always been the billion dollar question about we basically substituting labor with machines and the question has come up now too and like Vijay said it's on a grander scale because previously it used to be the very high skilled jobs would not be replaced but that's come up too except for the plaques in Calcutta when the computers came in a real worry for them but do you think it's a short term problem and any way technology is going to take over and it will create more jobs? So the problem I believe is that this industrial manufacturing revolution, smart manufacturing revolution is is inevitable it's the digital technology is going to converge with the process of manufacturing and what the consumer decides will get translated to the floor shop and manufacturing will become extremely fashionable and it's not going to be dirty dark and dangerous anymore it will be very fashionable and sexy in future and therefore you know you have to be ready for that it may lead to some loss of jobs initially of a particular kind but it will create jobs of a different kind it will create high value jobs and what your skilling should really do is to train your people to get jobs which will give you higher unit value okay that brings us to our third segment which is in this whole transition this is for you has government got any role to play or is the best thing you can do is just stay out? No the government must act as a very active facilitator it must act as a very active catalyst and as a very active driver of change so they must behave like they've never done before? Absolutely it must keep itself hands off but it should encourage the private sector to embrace smart technology from all over Can they do that? I can tell you something we said okay Dur Darshan is there politicians must not must give it independence you know what they did one night they phoned up the DG and said I'm having a party please show that clip of a dance with Madhuri Dixitinit for my party that's the level of interference they had to show it on Dur Darshan the whole country had to watch something because he has a party going on can our politicians keep their hands off? You know Pranoha I think the days of the days of Madhuri Dixitinit Sarovar oh no no no well you belong to a different generation you know there's a generation gap you know okay so you say put on Deepika Padukone but you politicians of every generation are the same they interfere they love it I think it's important to understand that the government has to spearhead change and it's doing that in many many ways and it's important to understand that this new revolution of manufacturing is going to spread in a very big way I mean look at what's happening in universal payment interface that is going to happen you're going to make every single debit card credit card, ATMs, posh machines all of them will become redundant in India India is the possibility of becoming the first cashless, paperless, presence less society in India simply use biometric and your mobile telephony every individual will become a walking ATM by 2025 it's possible for India to do this you just need to create the right ecosystem and it's doing it right now let me ask a question how many of you believe the government can keep their hands off and not interfere or in fact unbiasedly encourage how many feel they will stay away how many feel they won't stay away that's about 40% so 50-50 once again need a mic while it is agreed that government should keep off and Amitabh is probably an example that a change is happening but I don't think the same similar change is happening and the political which is a very important part of the government Vijay, one thing is if we are a whole lot of Amitabh things would be different but there's politics and the politicians can't keep their hands off very well put actually I think we should remember that people like Amitabh and his department are must requirement there are kind of situations that we wouldn't know where to go and there is a direction and there is a champion of that cause in a larger environment typically whenever there have been a question in a government or policy making the choices have been given versus incumbent versus noobs have been thrown out so it is the shoulders of giants like this department which is championing them I want to tell you this just before you say that it is a slight compliment to politicians that they allow Amitabh to function yes that is true I think this department you know I want to put this I want to put this record right because you function in spite of this I want to tell you this that Aadhar was started in the previous government story no no and I want to say this that this government you know pushed it to its limit every single government scheme they have brought in efficiency using Aadhar 36,000 crores have been saved and that is happening right from the top because the PM himself is a techie you know so it has been driven right from the top to say that every time government interferes you are sadly mistaken here the drive for inclusion I am not saying I am just asking questions yeah in Kerala are you going to ask the government to keep their hands off I have nothing to say about that can governments keep their hands off of politicians I should make a distinction between technocrats and politicians it is difficult because politicians work on election cycles and they care about getting the votes and that is usually involved at some point that they have to make decisions that are not the best economic decisions but they have to do it so I don't think that they can keep their hands off fully in Germany they don't keep their hands off at all do they why do you ask me about Germany well because we just want an international stellar example because I am not German in case you you were talking about Germany earlier well I am a consultant and I tend to look at facts and draw conclusions from that that is why I am not an anchor and if you look at the companies around the world that scored the highest on the competitive scores and just the WEF brought out the latest score by the way India made a huge jump the ones that are consistently at the top 10 for the last 20, 30, 40 years usually have highly capable, consistent leadership in place consistent and highly capable and I think a government that focus on the key enablers like education, like infrastructure like you name it and third of all allow the free economy to develop and allow diversity and entrepreneurialism to take its place and also those that fail allows them to fail and it is very, very important failure is a key in success that doesn't happen in our public sector but we will come to our public sector next panel you got a question? just step forward a bit so we can just to make one specific point on the government involvement especially when the market has evolved and private sector has jumped in government should not interfere and I would go to the extent of traditionally what have been government areas education, health, water there are enough private enterprises now delivering solutions to these problems the framework where they allow these private enterprises to compete we have seen the reverse in recent past there was a comment actually any questions? just let's have questions actually take a mic please the local government which administrates the local offices or local facilities of a plant or in a perfect world should facilitate all that that's a huge hurdle in India at a policy level FDI, small retailer multi-brand retailer all that is fine that's a rule but what you are thinking of government is not just Amitabh Kanth or central government but what he has started which actually I think the World Bank has taken on as well is ranking each state so you are dead right reality is state wise why don't you explain you know I we did on 100 points we ranked the states last year we said we will name and shame the states and put it in public domain and there was huge amount of competition this year we have done it on 344 points and every single state is competing I mean this kind of competition among states I have never seen before and the amount of dismantling of rules, regulation, procedures acts that has taken place in India I have never seen this happening before many states are determined to make themselves the easiest and the simplest place it will take time 68 years of legacy don't expect it to radically change overnight mindsets are changing it will require a lot of more drive but I am quite sure in 3-4 years time you will be there I feel like I should counterbalance Amitabh so Gangu I agree with the point that was made that it does come down to what happens on the ground and even now when I go to one of the state banks to get some work done it feels exactly like it was 25 years ago the ground realities it will take time I don't think 3-4 years will be enough but it will take time but it is still torture the only problem is that Gita's understanding of India's ground realities based from Harvard oh come on that's an unfair one I'm afraid all of us have exactly that experience you go to a bank you probably haven't been to a bank in 30 years okay let's move on to the next one in this whole development whether it's 5 years, 20 years, 30 years China is he a friend or is it an antagonistic a competitor and we better watch out man China is there what do you say there are 2 ways to look at it I don't eat 40% Chinese for lunch I have 40% ownership by a Chinese firm in my company first of all when it comes to India's sovereignty and choices we make for the borders there is no doubt about it there is a one way to look at it and there is no alternate way to look at it which is that we will only be friends with those who are friends with our borders that's it so that is like the point when I talk about business safe borders create safe businesses and when it comes to the business it is nice to have money but at a condition and a document that is written by us with our terms and conditions so you've got to be like Trump a good negotiator like Trump is a bad example or claims to be Geeta, China we should worry about it it doesn't matter what you think if you can't live with them you can't live without them either that is a very safe answer that is it is what it is China is you can put up hurdles and delay things he's great he's opening everything up what should he what we certainly need to make sure is that we have good market access in China that's his point about the other way around our terms and conditions make sure that if that's the case that's a big plus for the Indian economy to be able to have market access you have to work with China in the world markets don't embrace or reject you have to work together do both and it could be a big plus to make good market access are Europeans scared of China? not in the least states don't have friends first of all they have interests second of all imitation is never a good strategy I've learned that over the years India is not China and the other way around you're completely different it takes different things for India to win and so don't look at that and finally if I may add I've been coming to India for many many years and it's a time you guys stop being obsessed about China stop talking about it I wouldn't be I mean it's not that interesting for India I think India is less obsessed about China than the Americans are about China that is probably true as well I would agree with that but still it always surprises me Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai you know in trade investment and also travel and tourism you know there's no friend of four and for long we have a huge fiscal deficit you know in about 76 billion of trade there's huge fiscal deficit which India has and actually we've been just importing made in China but the strategy should be that invested by China and made in India and we should get Chinese companies to make in India rather than importing their goods so we should stop importing their goods no we should import but we should get the Chinese companies to do manufacturing here they've already created large capacities to do manufacturing in India but the second key thing is Chinese will be the biggest travellers across the world and you need a law you want travel and tourism will be the biggest job creator you want jobs to be created in India get Chinese tourists to come into India Johan speaks Mandarin already so people are learning Mandarin because they are you need Chinese speaking guides how many believe that in this short term future ahead for India we should embrace China and how many feel they are going to be a major competitor and we better watch out so how many people feel we better watch out about China that's about 20% how many feel embrace China that's about 20% so 60% remain undecided or refuse to reveal their preference or need third element what should we learn should we learn from China is there anything where we can learn from China right how did they make their industry efficient socialism under Chinese conditions so China under Indian conditions if under socialism any questions one question somebody who has an answer my question is to Gita do you think India is on the right path for achieving growth with equity and what's going well what could be done differently this is the general question motherhood in pie motherhood in pie question that's a bit now I think this is it's a very good question and obviously among the things that need to be done is you have to make sure that people have the right amount of skills right skills in you know being ready for the jobs that are going to come up we need more job creation in India the skill is still a big skill deficit that's the key factor I think that's a very important factor it should come not only from the government but should also come from enterprise right right any other general we are coming to the last segment where we are going to find out from the panel and from each one of you why we need to laugh at ourselves and I think I know somebody will tell us many reasons why we should laugh at ourselves so be ready we are coming to you any general questions which are not motherhood and apple pie I think I am the only person retailer in the room I am a grocer I am a shopkeeper so I think I must be I just need to comment on something that we have already discussed and first of all we are not certainly terrified about the technology coming and I like to believe that it's only a temporary disruption technology is a great leveler and already we are embracing a lot of this technology at B2B level are you embracing it? you have a e-commerce we do have an e-commerce at B2B level we need to make a lot of transfer and then of course at e-commerce level I just wanted to say that we are not terrified certainly we are willing and we are ready to take on technology and other things and the all level playing field can be very terrifying for a lot of people like us now because then we are again talking about all protectionism my point is that technology can be a leveler and tomorrow bespoke manufacturing but isn't retail currently benefiting a lot of protectionism right now as we speak I think it should go multi-brand retail should come in I am already here as a multi-brand retailer don't say it publicly we as a local company we have went internationally and gave competition to people technology is like driverless cars deliveries, drones, bespoke manufacturing it could always be advantageous to traditional retailer which are through bricks and mortar and I think it is still going to be there very much one more question then we will go on to why we should laugh at ourselves there is this question about protectionism and you think India can progress without its farmers and you think farmers can survive without protection this is a question to you and this is a question to the government and farmers survive without protection it has huge protection for their farmers how can we survive that do we need it as well you are right there is a lot of protection in the west for farming it is a difficult it is a difficult question when you get from a global perspective is that a good thing then that is definitely not a good thing to have protectionism anywhere but one could argue from an individual country's perspective that might be a good thing as long as they have it you know I think the more important question is again let's care about the outcome we want to have higher productivity in farming in India we want that whoever is in the farming sector gets paid earns a good livelihood and there are many ways to solve that which at this point do not involve going for protectionism you just have to fix the problems with making sure that litigation making sure what is used you need to make sure the produce that these farmers make reach the market there is no monopoly along the way that is taking away those are more important areas to focus on those are I would say get those things right before we start talking about protectionism I have a question to ma'am I have a billy she got me ma'am ok thank you professor that is good are you asked for that sir I have a question for you that I have a belief that those who have always choose the rules to decide how will be played and western world and developed world more or less have more or less large number of vertical of industries where they are like open up the world because we want to come there and when they do not have in farming they say let's protect it isn't it like that I would agree with you to some extent that it is certainly the case that you know there are two rules when they go to the rest of the world there is the rule that you have to open up and when it comes to their own sectors they have it and that is something that the emerging markets should fight back on I think that they should have a bigger representation in terms of decision making of the IMF, the World Bank and all of these organizations looking around the corner hoping your son would be able to answer this question I want you to tell us why we need to laugh at ourselves and what is funny about us first this debate not only till the west especially the US, Japan and France UK is ok, Germany is not that bad she would know better not only till they are protecting protecting for production protecting for export protecting for imports we should protect our agriculture and I'll come to what she said well beyond they stop theirs and I don't know when they will stop theirs this is just one sided nonsense they don't listen to us when we negotiate last 30 years whether it was GATT or WTO he should know it better than me it's very easy to say liberalized liberalized it's alright for industry politically it's impossible 60% of the population she said more productivity yes 3% of their population produces tremendous amount of food we have over 50 if not 60% doing that to come to 3% in your lifetime we won't come to 30% and that would mean 400 million being replaced in relation to the 10 million needing jobs now no matter factory will provide that forget the service industry it's just not on we don't want to kill our farmers we don't want to kill India no wait till it sucks they do exactly what suits them I've been involved in WTO negotiation not maybe as much as him in various committees I won the expert committee of WTO when Super Chai was the WTO director general one of the 13 people okay now you've got so serious there's an ID time to switch a little bit on China Chinese question on economic matters let's get the best out of them but till now they've been negotiating harder than us so maybe it's on equal terms or whatever now you're sounding like Trump bad negotiation that's our problem SOB but I trust relatively speaking Hillary which people in America don't and if she wins it will be because she could not get votes not because he got votes but that's another story particularly in every other respect apart from economy if I was the government I would not show my hand but I don't trust them I don't like them I'm very sorry to say this across the border they keep humiliating me not only 62 when we was okay got it now you have to laugh at yourself aren't you laughing at what I said haven't people laughed at Bombay club one man per club no but more seriously I think there are those who laugh two things a country has to laugh very serious we are God loving God fearing we believe in fate so many people have said if this doesn't happen if it's not inclusive growth there will be blood rivers of blood flowing low rivers of blood flowing 70 years though billionaires have increased what have also improved but the inequalities have risen like mad those weaknesses of globalization clear cut weaknesses everybody accepts Brexit accepts Trump accepts Bernie Sanders accepted so we laugh because all the poverty here if we have to laugh there's one thing there's actual fate it is certainly true that you may not agree with this but if you go to South America or most of Africa the crime rates are way higher than India your houses are protected in India I know there's a lot of crime but it's nowhere near as what happened in Columbia Pranay we got the Nobel Peace Prize the Colombian president wonderful news and for finding that great agreement which after that you had a referendum and lost one thing in India say if we've never had a referendum okay let's say the other reason we laugh you have to be ready to counter his extremely serious countenance today one last point you're not in the room you're very you joke a lot laughing point laughing point I don't speak I don't ask you ask me I never ask a question and never make a comment that's a good one that's a good one when the glass is half full of what? water but that's alright Murat will say vodka but that's alright he's a friend of Eddogan but partly to please depending on the subject please the powers that be very fashionable everything is good good good you have to laugh you see the glass half full the few like me oh that's good the glass is half full of course so what? where were we? in 69 where are we now I see the glass half full so I don't laugh the first machine is correct the politicians don't like me because of that that is a very only idiotic industrialist they start liking you very very worried it's a compliment it's a compliment I think so the laughable matter for us is our aspirations are moon landing and global superpowers and our appreciation is Jogar that's a great thing about India true true we applaud Jogar like nothing and we still want to be the superpowers Jogar is a uniquely brilliant Indian phenomenon what should we laugh for ourselves I've worked in both north block and south block and between the two of them we just about managed to block everything so we should change the names the east kund block the west kund block the north block and south block you have to tell a joke about Indians no no I'm a guest here guests have to behave no no we are embracing you say whatever you want Indians are not sensitive not not in the least not in the least it's sort of like German humor isn't it no no I don't have a joke for you I have to disappoint you I can only share with you that this is an absolutely wonderful country and I meet many Indians that indeed the glasses have full a couple of years ago I come three times a year ready for a long time and I still love it very much isn't it amazing and I've learned to love it every time even more and despite the fact that I have to crawl through the streets of Bombay sometimes in the late afternoon with all the people honking and etc. I still love it very much because what's so great about this place is the sense of being alive I know no other place in the world where there's so much joie de vivre the French call it I would know exactly how to translate love for life and that is true not being seditious how about you don't be seditious now I'm actually I want to say something that is not a laughing matter which is we've been talking about growth and we're talking about India two decades from now I just want to say that India has to be a better place for women for the if you want if you want women to be a big part of the growth story for India it has to be safe to go to work anywhere it has to be it's just very it's very important that it's not just the people living in urban India but even women living in rural parts they have a really better opportunity and safer lives and I'm not just saying this because you're here and I've said this before Indian women are far superior to Indian men that's why 70% of NDTV is women far superior they just need the opportunity and forget 9-10% growth rate we'll hit 15% I really don't know exactly good question thank you all very much for blocking everything and unblocking now we'll call it North and South Unblock thank you for watching bye for now just one second Phillip the managing director will come and thank everybody but it's been a wonderful two days God bless you all first thank you for an excellent and very dynamic and very lively moderation you're a real great anchorman coming later second I would like to thank all of you for two days hard working fighting in and for India and I know that you cannot applause yourself so please a big hand to our busiest coaches Dieter Johann BJ and Arneel and John who cannot be here thank you very much and applause to World Economic Forum God bless you so this is at the same time our appeal to you that you will be our ambassador for the next 12 months and make sure that everything what was discussed committed to degree 2 will be turned into reality by all of us and finally I would like to thank all the helping hands here all our forums, teams, our partners conferation of Indian industries under the leadership of our regional director Viraj Mehta for South Asia Viraj come here to thank you outstanding well done thank you


The album is called Flute Chapters and that is the award-winning Amy Gillan. Amy originally from Lettercanny. She graduated from the Royal College of Music in London with first-class honours, also has a first-class honours from Trinity College. She's performed as a soloist with the RTE National Symphony Orchestra, has recorded solo with the orchestra as well and has performed at the prestigious Wigmore Hall in London and was awarded the Irish Heritage Bursary for performance there and has subbed. In other words, you know, sort of played now and again with the RTE Concert Orchestra and the Ulster Orchestra. And if all that wasn't enough, she has played in amongst other places, Windsor Castle for the then Prince Charles. And over the pandemic has actually worked as a music teacher at an international school in Abu Dhabi. So it's a long list and to add to that list now is an album. The album is called Flute Chapters. We've been just listening to the opening track there, Eirathan. Delighted to say that. Amy now joins us in the studio. Amy, thanks for coming in. Thanks very much for having me in. John, I'm delighted to be here. You're up in Lettercanny for a couple of days. I am indeed, yes. Visiting family. Visiting family. Yes, doing a bit of work from home and getting CD orders out as well. Okay, yeah, it's important. So this is a new departure for you now having a CD on the market because up to this it's been studying music and recycles and performances and but now it's physical product. Yeah, it's lovely to have finally. So it's it's a huge achievement, a huge milestone and a really special occasion. So a very special week when we launched it this week at the Grand Lodge of the Freemasons in Dublin. And the Irish Freemasons have been so good because I won the Irish Freemasons Young Musician of the Year in 2018. So they yeah, we held the launch at the in the Donnemore Suite there of the CD this week. And it was a really special occasion. Brilliant. And it's a long list. I was just going through the orchestras and collectors that you've played with and the places that you've played in. And it's a long list. So you're over and back between Dublin and London quite a bit. Is that correct? Yes, I am indeed. I work over in London and I do a bit of teaching there and I play different concerts. I'm also coming back to Ireland again towards the end of May because I'm playing at the West Wicklow Festival in Rustborough House on the 20th of May. And then in Blackwater Valley Opera Festival on the 1st of June. But that concert's actually sold out. So tickets are still available for West Wicklow. So I'll be over and back between London and Dublin and then getting back up to beautiful Donnie Gull as well, of course.  It is indeed. And the one I play on is extremely special. To me, it's my dream flute. And what are we talking? A lot, a lot of money. You had like, yeah, you were granted in order to get it. Is that correct? I did, yes. And I won the top part of the head joint at Sir James Gawes Flute Festival in Switzerland in 2017, when I was also awarded the rising star by Sir James. So Sir James has played on tracks like Lord of the Rings, etc. And then I built up to buying the professional body. So that's the rest of the flute, the middle part down. And it was thanks to a number of different organisations like the Freemasons from winning the Orades Jago Award as well, as well as many others, to purchase the rest of the body of the flute. But also I'm a Nagahara, who's the maker of the flute. He's a US Japanese maker and he made me a Nagahara young artist. So I'm an ambassador for the brand and his shop is in Boston in the US. So I travelled over there in November 2021 to get the flute finally all fitted together. And that was an amazing experience because the flutes handcrafted all by him and he programmes his machinery to make sure that the tone holds and everything to do with the flute are all exactly how he wants them and how he thinks is best for the best sound. Is every flute unique? For him, yes, because they're all handcrafted. So they're all absolutely unique flutes. And it's a huge, huge honour to play on a flute like that. It's 14 karat gold with silver keys. Yes. Oh, you need to keep that on the lock. Very much so. You haven't left a line at the front there. No, I haven't. And how does it work? Is it the more experienced and the more accomplished you become, the bigger the flute? Well, is that one way to tell just how good somebody is? No, we all start off on the same size of flute. Now, when you're younger, you can start off on a curved head joint flute. Like I studied through the Donegal School of Music. So that's where I have come through Donegal Music Education Partnership and actually Martin McGinley from the Donegal Music Education Partnership came down to my launch on Tuesday as well. So, no, you start off on the same size, but the little curved head joint would be for, you know, smaller little kids to start out with. But then obviously you have the different flutes like you have Piccolo, but that's for, you know, it's very small. It can be used in bands, orchestras, that kind of thing and goes to bigger flutes that could be used in flute choirs that are probably nearly as tall as me. But that just, yes, mainly used for big flute groups. So the one that you use is sort of the equivalent of a grand piano. Very much. So, yeah, a grand piano of the highest quality. So like the equivalent of like a Steinway, let's see. And when you finally got your hands on it, it made a big difference. Oh, huge difference because it was my first ever professional flute I'd been playing on student models up until then. And, you know, it was so important to have such, you know, a caliber of flute, especially for recording the album as well because, you know, it's what you need to have.  I can imagine. So, well, you pulled it all off for sure, playing with the National Symphony Orchestra and the RT Concert Orchestra and performing for, you know, various well-known people, including Prince Charles and in some very prestigious settings. And how does it work? Like, you know, it says you've been like a soloist with the National Orchestra and also then you have subbed with the Concert Orchestra. It just sort of put you on standby and then say, listen, your man can't make it, you know, your free Friday is how does it work? Yeah, that's generally how freelance and would work. You might be on a list and they would call you if they needed a flute player or something like that. But the most recent experience I had was when I got to perform a soloist with them last February. So, well, February 2022 now, it's a year ago, over a year ago, but I recorded with them actually for RT Lyric FM as the main soloist. So, that was incredible. And I've also played as soloist with the National Symphony Orchestra in the Concert Hall in Dublin as well. So, did that bit of recording wet your appetite and did you figure, well, you know, maybe I could do an album of my own? Yeah, well, it definitely did because it's so important to have recordings these days and, you know, to, you know, to have a physical, you know, CD to give to people as well is so important. Or to point them towards streaming and say that, you know... Exactly. Yeah, and, yeah, to point them towards all the different platforms as well. So, I wanted to, you know, just showcase the versatility of the flute while playing homage to, or, you know, homage to composers that have a special association with the flute as well. It was really important. Is that how you picked the pieces? Yeah, that's how I picked the pieces, mainly. So, a lot of the composers, like, for example, Philippe Gobert, who is a French composer, he also studied with Paul Taffanel, who's another very famous French flutist. And then Gobert taught another famous flute player, Marcel Moïse, who then taught Sir James Galloway, who taught me. So, there's special associations with... All right, yes, yeah. All right, so, normally, when we see people like you, Amy, it's in very hushed surroundings and you come on and sort of, you know, very well dressed always and then there's a ripple of polite applause before the music starts. Yes.  So, that would be pretty daunting. I think I'm used to it now at this stage, you know, there's something so nice about going out and seeing so many people and familiar faces, maybe people you haven't met before, but they're there to just enjoy the music and listen to you.  To get into the performance yourself. Yeah, get into the performance, yeah, and feel it and, you know, have the work done and everything beforehand, so you can go and enjoy it and everything like that too, it's very important. But yeah, it's an amazing experience. So what, now you do a bit of teaching as well, is that correct? Yes, yeah, so I teach flutes and I also teach piano as well. So do a little bit of each and as you mentioned earlier, I did teach over in Abu Dhabi for a year, working as a music teacher over there. So education is a huge part of my mission because, you know, I come in from, you know, through the Donegal School of Music and through the education I've had. I know how important it is to have, you know, great education from a young age and that's what I want to do is to, you know, inspire young kids that are coming through, not only flottis or flutus, but, you know, every every young musician to, you know, if you have a dream that you can, you can make it come true. And I suppose in a way it's giving back? It's giving back, which is hugely important because I've had incredible support and I want to, you know, create that for people coming through for young kids. Is it a flutus or flottis? You can say both. I do go by flutus. That would be more known in America, but I prefer it because, you know, flute, flutus, it makes a little bit more sense to me, but you can be known as either. OK. So performance is coming up in Rosborough House and that's next month and at Blackwater Valley Opera Festival then in June. Yes. June 1st. And no talk of any performances locally for anything just yet? Well, we've been in some discussions at the moment, so we're definitely not ruling anything out at the moment. I'd love to get more of a concert set up at home and master classes to do with the young flute players around Donnie Gull as well and go through the album with them and processes playing, tone technique, everything to do with the flute. Intensive flute, flute week or flute days or something. Watch this best. Right. In the meantime, you've got a great website. People can check that out. Yes, they can. And they can check your album. I just want to hear more of your music. It's called Flute Chapters. It's out now and you're also streaming on all platforms worldwide. Amy Gillan, it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for having me, Don.


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Governor Mark Dayton and Republican legislative leaders have abandoned mediation in their months-long legal battle. Top legislative Republicans and the Democratic governor met for closed-door sessions starting on Thursday. The Supreme Court ordered mediation stems from the case surrounding Dayton's decision to zero out operating budgets for the House and Senate. Dayton wanted to slim down tax breaks and remove other measures from budget bills he signed this spring, but Republicans sued calling his action unconstitutional. But the two sides couldn't bridge their differences and ended mediation Friday afternoon after Republicans say Dayton walked out, Dayton accused GOP leaders of drawing him, the state, and the Minnesota Supreme Court into a charade in which they concealed information about the legislature budget to try to score political points. Senate Majority Leader Paul Gazelka hopes the Supreme Court will look at the case again and permanently restore its budget. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland news, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.