So this is now being recorded. This is Google's season of docs office hours the 14th of September. Thanks for joining us. And you should right now see a mostly dark screen that now has a copy of the doc on it. And you're all welcome to edit in the document at the same time that I'm editing. I just put it on the screen so we can see it. Got it. All right. So items I had put on the agenda pull request status knowledge sharing sessions cluster access are there other things that need to go on the agenda. I sent a mail about my participation. I didn't get the response from anyone. So I wanted to discuss it here. Excellent. Let's do that. Sorry for being tardy meeting ran over. That's great. Hope you're feeling better. Yes. Yes. Excellent. So, let's see. So we've got, we added Oleg's availability as a topic knowledge sharing sessions. We've got the Dakota session schedule with Markey cluster access. I've got a topic to report any other topics we should add to the agenda. So probably implementation status next steps of just to have a regular lesson couple of what's going on and what needs to be done. So, and so we should probably put, yeah, this implementation status is a good place to put a review of the outline content. Good. Anything else. Oh, we did have one on the pull request. It was doc structure or not doc structure. It was project structure PR. Shall we all slash. Stay with what we have because I think that was one of the comments you provided in the pull request Oleg. So pull requests. Shall we take that one first then let's get started. So, Zina, you want to take the lead there. Let's see, we can talk to pull requests here. Yeah, this one. Okay. Hi, everyone. So, um, I think two, two meetings ago or so, I and Markey and Mark rather had a discussion about GSOD project page. So, um, I raised the concern that the current directory where the GSOD project page is is not really easy to navigate to unlike that of she saw. So on Jenkins dot IO, if you go to Jenkins dot IO, so under sub project. So, yeah, so under sub project, we have Google some of code, but um, GSOD, I think is somewhere on the documentation. So I think. Right. So it's two or three levels deep. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So that was why we had the suggestion of creating GSOD also under sub project, just as Jesus and copy and move the context rather. So, um, the idea was to redirect. So I have corrected the pull request. Why I didn't remove the content from the previous directory was because I know. GSOD project page on Google season of dog sites is carrying the link to the previous directory. So if I remove it completely, it means Jenkins Project League will be broken on GSOD sites. So that was why I didn't remove it totally for the previous directory, but I'm all like mentioning some things on the pull request. So I'm guessing probably we might not go out on with that anymore. I don't know. There are multiple comments and requesting changes mostly because there is a complete content application. Instead of that, there should be redirects and they change history should be preserved. This is why I request a change. If we do this modification, the same time I question the feasibility of modification on its own. It's even if it removes one level for navigation. I do not see clear benefits of moving and at the same time, yeah, this, the current structure is what we agreed is other GSOD means in May, when we were preparing to application, etc. And moving content now is, well, it's a bit complicated. It's possible, but for me, I just don't understand what is the need to move it. So like if we were to, is there a way we could make this page that's visible on my screen now directly accessible from either the community menu or the sub projects menu, so that instead of doing three levels, you know, three clicks of navigation to find it. We could get there from a single, a single pick from the top level menus. Yes, you can. So what we were discussing for a while is actually the working destruction so replacing sub projects, CX, etc. by, let's say, working groups, where we would have everything aggregated and where we would have only active projects or six or working groups. After that, it would be addressed by design. So right now, the structure of navigation bars, at least for me, is temporary. Assuming that I ever find the time to rework that I would rework that. And that's why when we discussed getting additional sub projects recently, I voted against that. And yeah, for this purpose. Yeah, I don't point to adding a sub project to there. But yeah, at the same time, I'm not sure what they just fight, but we could do that. So, so just thinking towards a simple if a sub project were added to this list, Google season of docs right below Google summer of code or right above it. That would fit your that would address your concerns. It would address my concerns that I want this page reachable from without having to navigate three, three pages to get to it. Yep, you can add to this menu bar. Okay, this menu bar is auto generated if I recall correctly, but similarly to overview link. You can add additional link to the bottom of the list. All right. Zina would that would that be acceptable to you if we just took the idea of let's put one entry in this sub projects drop down menu that links to this exact page and not change the location of the page at all. I'm sorry I didn't I didn't get that. My apologies my internet is, is imperfect at best Oleg would you like to describe it so that we don't have to put up with my poor internet. Okay, so what Park suggests that instead of moving pages. We just did a link directly to your project in the sub projects list. Okay. Okay. Okay, that's fine. I mean, that would also match the routes being done for summer code, which makes sense to me. Well, there is some difference because Google summer code has been created a while ago and it's basically continuous project. At the same time, yeah, one of the concerns about working groups continuous projects was that half of these projects are not really active. So for example, evergreen is not active for a jinx remote and it might be a project, but there is no really community events around it ever. And yeah, the idea was to actually start merging the things. But it hasn't happened yet. So for now it's the plan to do eventually. So, yeah, if you just want to put it there we can do that. It's just not the final state. And I think that final state of this navigation but just change. Sure. So, Zina, forgive my poor internet was that a better explanation for you did was that comfortable. Yes, yes it was. And are you okay with that as the idea then is one entry added to some projects here that go navigates to this page. Should it navigate. I see. Okay. Because that way it's a link to the current project, not to the general concept of. Okay, so that would mean here would be called document or Jenkins on Kubernetes. Oh, yes. Okay, let me see if I can capture that. Alright, so something like that. Is that workable for using up and like does that meet the meet the idea you've got as a short term, so that we don't do things big that we later long term after undo anyway. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Should we go on to the blog post then. Let's take a look at it. Okay, so this is the draft right Zina. Yes, it is. Okay, so we're going to do feedback. Good. Okay. Then next stop is a pull request to the Jenkins site. I also, or is there. Next step. Or is there something else. Have you created a profile for yourself on the Jenkins.io site. Yes, I have. Yes. I think I did that when I was creating the project page. It exists. Okay, any, any other discussion needed on the blog post. So Zina, you've got the next step to do the poor, basically process the review comments since Google Docs are the easy way to do that. And then you can convert it to ASCII Doc and the pull request. All right, Oleg availability and participation. Let's see. And I should be able to bring up the email. Well, I can quickly summarize one while you're looking for that. So, yeah, the team selected meetings at 5pm UTC. And yeah, these meetings are not really possible for me on a regular basis. So that's why I think up what would be the best way to be involved. Well, just to seek alternate time to some housing couple is a net. Or just doing anything consider honestly, or maybe just stepping down to avoid confusion on these connects. And I wanted to get feedback from the team. What would be your preference and expectation on that. Yeah, for me, I myself available. So right. I was saying, for me, I can make myself available for whatever time works best for Zina and Oleg. Yeah, so the thing that current time definitely works best for everyone except me. For me, basically the time which would work is either morning, my time zone. Or sometime in the evening. But in the evening, if you want to have a marky mark recently on the call, it starts colliding with our work meetings. And basically it almost guarantees that it will be a continuous mess with people being unable to join. So, in principle, the current time should be much better than anything we would choose. But yeah, that's the problem. So I don't ask to move the current meetings. Yeah, I want to find a way to participate. If we can find a way or maybe just to step down so that I'm not an obstacle. I will still remain a stakeholder putting up here and there. But at least you won't need to wait me for formal processes. Yeah, so I would like to understand a little bit the difference you see between item one and item two. So it's the difference. I think we could get your inputs in either case couldn't we. But in one, you stay as an official mentor and would join the meetings once every two weeks or so. So the problem that being an official mentor and joining one meetings of four doesn't seem to be workable for me. Because it will naturally lead to misconnects. So for me, it's finding another way to communicate asynchronously somehow. Plus meetings. And still, I think there is a high risk of misconnects. Right. For example, I may say one thing, you're the meeting discuss other things. I don't read meeting notes or we miss something. And then it may lead to confusion. For me, I would rather have a preference of the entire team participating in meetings on a regular basis. So that's great. Which which for me lobbies that the second option you offered is probably the least likely to introduce miscommunication, while still retaining your expertise as an org admin. My concern is if we don't have your expertise as an org man admin, we will make mistakes that we could have avoided with your skills there. There are not that much to be done for J sort. So we need to handle different payments issues. And after a bit just ensure that the relations are submitted in time. So that being conducted mean would be a massive burden for anyone. I can step back into the org admin role. If that works for everybody. And that would certainly work for me that would be just great. Anyway, we'll still remain somewhere around the project. So for admin, the most challenging part is actually ensuring payments to come somehow through Linux foundation. And yeah, basically there are two answers. Firstly, we're talking about something like $500. So we can say that we will spend more time than it actually works to get this payment through. Or we just try to get this money in principle because we can invest them in a few of the community events. But yeah, this is the only challenging part. And so, so that organization payment that you're describing is to the Linux foundation because we are because the Jenkins project is a sponsoring organization. That's not the payment that's made to Xenov as the writer. So, yeah, payments to Xenov are being done by Google. Our effort as an organization is not required there. So, got it. Okay, so this is just the work steepness. Yeah, so this is this is the limit. This is Google offering a stipend to the Jenkins project for being willing to be a mentoring organization for Google summer season of docs. Got it. Thank you. I have knowledge of doing this from Kubernetes community so again, if you need me, I can step in. And also just from being an org admin for a summer code for Jenkins. This means that I have now gone through all three scenarios as preferred. I initially started thinking that the first one was preferred listening to Oleg's description. The second one became more and now I'm thinking, oh, like, I think having saying hey, you don't have to be involved at all, but you are welcome to. Maybe the healthiest thing for us to do here. I will be involved still mark, you know, my current situation at work. So, yeah, it's hard to commit on anything. But yeah, I think that for administration, basically, I have no preference. If you want to handle that, of course, it's a relief for me because I still have to handle. But yeah, again, it's not a huge deal on the song. So I don't feel strongly about that and if anyone wants to take the local mineral, I'm fine. Okay, I go ahead, Marty, sorry. I'm sorry I interrupted you mark I just said I'll definitely step up to do it. Okay. So then I suggest we press it with option three. I will be still available synchronously if needed. I will be happy to provide any expertise. So we have a technical advisor term. So you're welcome to apply it there as well. But yeah, just the expectation, I won't be able to be joining meetings unless it's strictly required. Okay, so like, act as technical advisor, and marquee becomes an org admin and continue as a mentor. Oh, like, can you just send me the invite the Google invite to the console for the org admin. Well, it's a bit more challenging. There is no, no console for Jesus. But yeah, I'll do the transfer. Okay, thank you very much. Great. Excellent. But anything else on that topic. Not for me. Okay, onward to the knowledge sharing sessions topic then. So we identified a need for at least two knowledge sharing sessions, one for Kata Kota and one for helm. So we got a Kota session. I said a Google or a doodle.com poll, and we got agreement that 5pm UTC this Thursday was a workable time for marquee and for a Zenab. So it's scheduled is that still workable for you marquee. Is it still workable for using up. It is still for me. I do either of you object if we record it. I do not object. Great. Thank you. Okay. I am intentionally not making it a community invitation thing, because I assume the people who own Kata Kota might say hey we'd like to be presenting it if, if it's going to be published and invite hundreds of people to it, etc. So, but recording it for reference seems like a reasonable thing and if we decide we want to share it we can afterwards. The next story is not as happy. Torsten Walter is on vacation right now he's out of the office. He will return the 28th of September. My attempt to find a time that would work the 28th of September failed. I was wondering if you, I don't have to attend this helm session. I was wondering if you would be willing to take the responsibility to create the doodle poll in you on your schedule to find a time that fits with Torsten schedule. Okay, I'll do that. Great. Excellent. Okay, then that covers knowledge sharing. Are there other knowledge sharing sessions that we need that we have not put on the list. Okay, for the helm knowledge sharing if, if we can't agree to find a time for it for Zenop, Zenop, let me know, and I will gladly do some session with you that we can record. Thank you. Great. Thanks. Okay. Anything else on knowledge sharing. Okay, cluster access next topic. I haven't yet found a donor to contribute cluster access to it. Tim Jacob asked a question about, could we just host it in the Jenkins Infra as a separate cluster. And I need to discuss that further I don't understand the security implications of that. So that's my action item discuss in infra team meeting tomorrow. I'm still not clear for what exactly do we need the cluster. Because, yeah, last time I participated two weeks ago, we discussed that we make you piece of basically enough to get started. And, yeah, just scroll through the discussion notes I didn't notice that it changed. I thought, for instance, that that topics like these were likely to require a an account on one of those one or more of those clusters. So that was just the assumption it's not blocking Zenop's work. As far as we can tell she hasn't hasn't expressed any concern that she has to have it immediately. I've just been doing the exploration to try to be sure we've got it eventually. I think initially the initial work can be done locally so she could use mini cube or K3S or a kind cluster. And then if there is additional cluster access needed for GCP and AWS, I can donate for that. I would not like to host this in the Jenkins Infra, just because cost and security, I think it would be easier to not have to worry about that. A good point. Okay, thanks. I think that answers it then. I think we've got the solution for this. That's great. Thank you. I'm updating the Google Summer of Docs doc page. Mark's action. I'm not sure what I missed on that one. It's me. So when we had the first meeting for the project, we just cast the next steps. And yeah, I was just looking at the J-Sort page. And J-Sort page still refers to Jenkins as a project participating in J-Sort with a list of project ideas, etc. And I believe we agreed that we need to market this data to archive it as we do for J-Sort so that we have a clean page. Got it. Okay. And also just doing some housekeeping to highlight the status, etc. Okay, yeah. So that was one. And when Zina and I had discussed in the recent meeting, I thought, okay, see if she could take that on. But it may be better for me to take it so that she can focus on the Kubernetes project specifically. I like that. Yeah. So, let me see. Meeting notes. Mark, that you would be working on that, but I might be wrong. And that's, I think that's a very reasonable approach. Great. Anything else on the Google Scenes of Docs page? Okay. Next step and implementation status and next steps. So I think this is a place, Zenab, for us to start from yours and share with us where you're at, etc. Zenab, did we lose you? Oh, sorry. I didn't know I was muted. Sorry. So, I said, I want to create the Jenkins on Kubernetes volume on Jenkins.io. So if you can please navigate to Jenkins.io. I have a couple of questions. Okay. So this, is this the page that you were meeting? Yes. So on that documentation. I'm not sure I'm hearing you, Zina. Could you say that again? Yeah, I said on that documentation at the top documentation, on that documentation section at the top. Documentation section. Oh, beside plugins, communities or projects. Yeah. Okay. So I assume this is where we're going to be adding Jenkins on Kubernetes, right? So I wanted to be sure what the new structure where exactly Jenkins on Kubernetes is going to be. Like what range meant. So one thing to mention that this structure on the menu bar doesn't fully represent the actual structure of documentation. So Mark, if you go to any page linked here. Yeah. So the actual structure is available on the left. So basically user handbook. And if you go up, you can also find the sections. So the structure is actually here. Yeah. Yeah, we had some discussions about how to update this structure as a part of the documentation revamp. But right now it basically has two main sections. One is user, user focus sections. And the other part is administrator focus sections. But you may see that they are basically ordered in less than expected way. So for example, installing Jenkins is an administrator section, then using Jenkins by plan lotion and managing Jenkins again administrator section. So what we were discussing at one of the first meetings that have two parts. Jenkins and Kubernetes for users and for administrators. I'm not sure whether he's still a plant for the team. But yeah, one of the ways would be to actually just have two sections. Oh, just this Jenkins and Kubernetes as a single entry. Yes. So for me that so the, the, the using Jenkins talks about details inside Jenkins installing feels like an unexpected location to find details about Kubernetes and yet possibly viable. I was assuming at the same level of system administration there would be a heading here on the left. I would say Kubernetes and that it would have all the Kubernetes related things in it, but like I think I see your point that may not be the best structure for, for the consumer for a reader. Well, my suggestion would be to actually start from something because should we decide to organize the content later we can do that. For example, now if the decision is to just have a separate single section for Kubernetes, we can do that. The worst case will redirects after that. When we do, when we recognize the content. Okay. But yeah, for now, if you do not prefer to have a single entry, let's do that. If you want to somehow merge Kubernetes content into existing sections again is doable. And this is one way of thinking about marquee you've probably got the most experience in terms of install. If Kubernetes were not if helm related information for instance we're not in the installing Jenkins section, but rather we're in a dead in the Kubernetes section. Would that be confusing to you or helpful. I'm not sure which is better for someone who is Kubernetes experienced. I think in this section of installing Jenkins, it should break out into multiple other sections. For example, there would be a helm in install section there would be. You may use Terraform to do something you may use just, you know, native. So you're, you're suggesting it would be clear to have the information in the installing section, rather than in a separate dedicated section for Kubernetes okay. That's just that's mine. I, I definitely want Z not to drive what she thinks and then we can go that route but if I were to do this I would say installing Jenkins would have subsections installing with helm installing with, you know, GCP or installing AKS or something like that. Okay. Oh, like, does that, does that still fit within within the ideas you were working from. Yes, it does. So for me the main objective is to have content. If we have it, we can still move it. If later we change our mind. So for now, I'm basically finding this any approach. Okay. So then Z knob I think it's back to you if there were a section here. I think you were proposing add a section, add a row to this menu that is Kubernetes, and it would jump to a place here. Yes. That was what I was thinking. Well, I think I, I understand what my kid was talking about about adding a section on helm to installing Jenkins. So I think what I'm going to do is they'll probably be a section they'll still be a section dedicated for Jenkins on Kubernetes is but for topics that we have that properly fit into existing sections, we'll see how we can match them. Then for those that will fit, they'll be under the Kubernetes section. Okay. So let me capture that. I like that. So Kubernetes section. Link from the document the documentation. Yes, the documentation. Insert, okay to insert content existing sections like install. Okay. Did I capture that accurately. Yes. So there will be in that means there will be a new Kubernetes section at the same level as system administration and installing will be visible in the contents list and in the menu drop down. Good. Okay. Additional topics that you want to discuss there. See now. About sorry. There's something I want to mention about the knowledge sharing session sorry to take us back. I'm since my key suggested that he's willing to take me on the session of on helm. If Austin is not available, I don't know if it's possible for us to schedule that before the 28th since helm is one of the topics that I'll be covering in the beginning of documentation. So I'm not sure if it would be if you don't cause delays if we wait until 28th to have a session and help. The question is okay with market. That is totally fine with me. I can give you a session and we can figure out a time that works best for you. We can do it this week. Next week, whichever works. This week is fine. So, okay, I will up ping you. What are you available. What is your availability on Friday. Okay, yeah, definitely ping me if you want just in the docs channel. Yes, I will. Excellent. Thank you. We've talked about rough top level top level structure. Are there any things you wanted to discuss, you know, with regard to more detailed structures we talked last time. No, not yet. Hello, I think the, I'm fine for now. I'll just go through what we have the current con proposed content and see how it can fit into either existing structure or the new Kubernetes structure. Do we want to do a review of your, your ideas and comments in our next session. Yes, Thursday, next session. I believe that's Thursday. Yes. Okay, great. Any other topics we need to discuss in this meeting. Sorry, nothing from me. All right. Great. Thanks, everybody. I think that concludes our session. I will post a copy of the recording. It'll usually takes about an hour for that to happen. Thanks very much. Thank you all have a good day evening. Thank you.


Yes, and that was Peh Wah, and we have the guest in the building, and he goes by the name Bonta. We'll be getting to know more about him and the client so nga yamefanya, and more that he has and much more. Khaibu sana kwa nyesho? San sana. Oko aji. Oko aji. Pia, minu kwa salama. Okay. Yeah, so kindly introduce yourself to our audience. Wa kio me tokawa pii. Yes, ati kabla 20 desana wacha nichu kwa position. Kabla 20 desana wacha pesa kwa mbo giko. Wan man a misiezi kujana mbo giko. Neza chana pii na neza zungu shaki uno. Yeah, my name is Sofisha Bonta. Yeah, from 032, but size ni kwa Nairobi. Yes. Yeah. So Khaibu kwa nyesho? San ti.  Neza imba slow song, neza jam na gengeto, and like everything everywhere. Okay. So is that something you may grow up na yo, and how was your background in music growing up? Sijakwa na background in music. Actually, I'm familiar with the only one. Yeah. I started doing it when I was 12 years old. Then I became part of the other two guys. Yeah. And if you follow and you become part of the other two guys, you can do this. Yeah. Because at first, I tried to do music. Mm-hmm. I was like, okay. Yeah, funny. It was easy. It was easy. It was like, oh, it's easy. Yeah, generation was like this. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, okay, I want to do music. Then I was like, oh, it's easy. So other guys were like, okay, I'll give back to one. Yeah. He used to do it when I was a kid, but I tried. Yeah, it's easy. I tried to do it, but I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea what I was doing. Okay. I was just trying to make sense, then I was like, okay, I'll do it. Yeah. Other guys were like, okay. Mm-hmm. What was your background? I don't know, but it was not music, yes. But not music. But for me, from Kmdogo in new, yes, from Kitambosa na in new. So I think I can follow it. Mm-hmm. But professionally, I think I have like 11 months now. 11 months? Yes. Only? Yes. Wow. That is impressive. Mm-hmm. Impressive. Anyway, um, kukingi ya kwa industrial music, you don't find so many artists when you are called as versatile. Mm-hmm. No nam tu maybe an a stick to one direction. Okay. Is that something in ya, inakuja tu naturally, ama mi kitu na fanya intentionally. Kut try and to touch on everything. Before, before, before nijoka music, nili kwa radio presenter. Yes. So nili pon interact na wasa, mi afa usu to play goma zote. So I usu to know nili gani, goma gani kali, goma gani poa. Mm-hmm. So karenti na fanya goma, goma yawa 20, woteva kenya asu aneza pena. Yes. Onagi na liya paywa ni klabanga. Okay, yes. Tia nga liya others zingine ni love songs. Yes. Yes, kuna sanajrebu kuda evasivo, kuda evasivo, baka palenta ingili ya. Ono ya siga ingia vizuri, so am trying to. Mm-hmm. How has it been for you? Miko tu sawa. Mm-hmm. Tia zi complain. Aguna challenges. Tia zi complain. Tia zi complain. Yeah. Okay. Inspirationi ya koni na nini when it comes to music. Wato watu anafanya poa? Yeah. Wato watu anafanya poa? Msi tu anafanya poa ni inspirationi ya. Mm-hmm. Like who? Hasasai zi. Nani kwa ko. Utsime kenya. Wato watu zi dakufanya poa? Kenya, kenya the only person anafanya poa ni maybe Bahati. Mm-hmm. Yes. Then, uh... Yes, butwa Bahati, oji na utilewa anafanya vitu. Aduwa sewa zi. Msi tuwa kwa tu anafanya kitu vitu sawa. Wana shika. Sio, wana doko artist, but you know there. Yeah. Yes. Wana galiya hiniwa anafanya. Tia tukwa anafanya nga ma hitzo. Hata nyasha kwa poa, but nyasha waduwa na tuwa nga ma maybe after every six months, kitu kwa ma yo. Yeah. But kwa nga dowa sewa zi mime mention, ma na tuwa nga ma every month. Consistently, yeah. Yeah, consistent. Nga gili. Atakama uni... Kusema, in your opinion, kusema mitu ako ako poa kwa sawa like like unimtumana anesa kwa inspire. Nimtu anafanya projects on a regular basis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay, so you don't intentionally ako kufanya projects on a regular basis. Yeah, ilazimil, yeah. Okay, all right. So um in the 11 months kwa kwa kwa industry. Okay. If you're given a chance to work with anyone, who would it be? Hmm. So is it not the work? Awa uni umesema, amawingini. And then if there is, anyone when you now work nae in ya iko current currently in production tell us a bit about that. Yes, kuna, nikuna so far say zi kuma pewa pewa those guys who we manawa pewa those are my cousins when ya ilikua wazahia wali nitu wazahia piwa natakufanya mziki then umzia kasemwacha wufa ala rewe.  So I had to nikama ambia kuji eni. Kujimtu fanya nga wama to prove, let's prove to wazahia zi like we can do it. Nona. So kwa fanya pewa ika kwa sawa say wazahia waka fresh nona nana wazahia support nana nga get. After kuna kuna wazia kwa say nima wak nao nima wak na kina X-ray and so many other guys kuna projects na kam like my next project nipiga na X-ray ya it's a big one. Yes. All right, sawa, sawa. Mwa can people find your music kiyo nina kuja and the other songs nil nil kumetwa? The other songs unruza zi patao on YouTube at official bonter that's my YouTube channel. Instagram people followed it's official bonter then on boom play nikona EP nikona EP nito I am bonter so like it's it's about kwa wazia what who am I my music kwa introduce mi zikiangu na jono zasikiangu ma yam tu nikali uni na nina get so I'm trying to introduce things I am bonter it's me it's bonter nana wak na fanya so kuna you EP kwa boom play nito I am bonter ikona all the songs nani nimi release na the last song kwa you EP nikona fanya video currently so we need to talk anytime soon okay any shout outs before we wind up? yes we need to shout out kwa say aswa nani watch water mabistawangu na karat na those guys when in a family na piga shout out so keep doing what you are doing I love you my sisters and yes and premise eno premise na watch and and gliam okay yes all right so thank you so much for coming through thank you appreciate your time so up next is Katerina okay


Hi everyone and welcome to the Stock Swoosh Play of the Day for June 29th, 2016 presented by thestockswoosh.com and this is Paul Lang. This is the daily chart of ESPR and these charts are provided by eSignal, beautiful charts to look at. This daily chart was focused on this day for ESPR because of a certain strategy that we focus on involving stocks at GAP. My little tip of the day for the play of the day today is that it is very important to come to focus on a specific strategy, something that you can actually follow, track, adjust as you need to. Most traders come to the market just simply trying to pick things by their eyesight, flying by the seat of their pants and why they have occasional success. We know that 90-95% of these traders lose, so it's important to be different and to follow a specific rigid strategy that can be traded and tracked properly. That's what we do at the Stock Swoosh and this particular play on ESPR, the GAP down right to here triggered a rating system that gave it the points that allowed it to be played as a short that morning. There are various entries that can occur. I'm going to take you to a one-minute chart now and you'll see that GAP down landed right here on the one-minute chart and this particular play was entered as it rallied up and then rolled over right in that area up in there. The entry is found underneath 1075, right at 1074 with a protective stop placed over 1110. That 36-cent risk means that on a 1,500 share allotment that the risk amount was $540 and that hitting a target of 975 gave a profit of $1,485. Overall this play as you can see took only six or seven minutes and was done well before 945 in the morning. All the plays we focus on look at being done very early with quick moves and generally speaking we're done trading every day at 10 o'clock. If you like this strategy and you'd like to learn more about how to do plays like this, this is taken from the Golden Gap course. The Golden Gap course is going to be taught July 16th and 17th and it's unique because it's one very specific firm strategy that uses a 26-point checklist to have you done by 10 o'clock in the morning and usually ignores the market, gives you time to enjoy life with solid trading results. For those of you interested you can contact Melissa at thestockswitch.com to find out about signing up for the next course. Until next time, good trading everybody.


live. It's a 12 o'clock block. I'm Jay Fidel. This is ThinkDec. This is the military in Hawaii actually here on Thursday. And we're going to talk about American veterans of Hawaii. We're going to meet some of them. We're going to meet the organization with Monica Fallo, Donovan Lazarus, and Ronald Lam. Wow, they're all on the screen. Great to have you guys here. Monica, say hi to the people. Aloha from Ella Beach. And this is Monica. Follow your public affairs officer. And I want to thank you for tuning in and listening to what we're going to share with you today. Why don't you introduce Donovan and Ronald, will you? Most definitely. You have Commander Donovan Lazarus, who's our commander here for American vets in Hawaii. And then we have Ron Lam, who's our first vice commander. Go ahead. Thank you. Okay. So first, Monica, let's talk about what it is. American veterans in Hawaii. What kind of organization is it? Where is it? And what does it do? Most definitely. For our American veterans organization, we are here in Oahu. And we are currently at a new location here in Ella Beach. We're literally right on Erica's point outside the gates of Copping the Beach home as your landmark. And we're very excited. We will be having our grand opening and our fundraiser on November 11th. So anywhere from 9 to 11, our mission is to be able to advocate and really represent all our veterans, active, retired family members in every aspect of what they have did for our United States. And we are here to represent an airy arena. And we have all our retired and military that donate their time, such as Commander Lazarus and First Vice Commander Ron Lam, who put an over 75 year service time into this organization. We are a chartered congressional organization out of Washington, D.C. And we are the Hawaii location. We're very pleased to announce of our opening. And we want to formulate this to bring this into a great family atmosphere, being coming out of COVID. And that's what we're here for. We want to just be the landmark of Hawaii and say that we're here to serve all our military veterans afar. And what's your position with American veterans of Hawaii? Yes, my position is I am the public affairs officer. So I'm in charge of making certain that everyone in the world knows who American veterans is and what our purpose is and our mission statement is. And we serve with excellence. Thank you. Okay. So let's take a look at your slide so we can get a handle on the event coming up and what you've got in your materials to describe what American veterans does. Yes, Jay. Thank you to the to the slide. You see our live. We will be doing an Instagram live being that our platform now is a lot of online. And I think that's going to be the new wave of technology now. I believe this is our forefront into the new century. So our next presentation will be tomorrow. It's a live Instagram will be sending links out to everyone and you're welcome to join in. We can do question answers. I'll be sponsored by Leanne over with the Colville Banker. So we'll talk about that on the flyer. And I believe our presentation is tomorrow at one. Good. You've been busy, huh? Yes, sir. We don't sleep. We work 24 seven, 365 days. We're here for our soldiers and our heroes to serve us on the front line. So we're here on the home front, on the soil in the United States of America to say I'm available to take your call 24 seven. That's how much we appreciate our family members that serve the armed forces. Thank you. So we have a couple of other slides. Then why don't we describe those? What is this one? Yes, that there is your mission statement. Well, that one's just a brief overview right there of what our organization will be about. And I can let Mr. Donovan talk about that one right there. Commander, can you enlighten us about the brief history? He has a lots of experience and is very well notable member of the armed forces. Commander. Oh, thank you so much, Monica. Aloha, everyone. Aloha, Jay. Thank you so much for providing this opportunity for us. As Monica mentioned, the history or the overview of the AmBets organization is that we're a congressionally chartered organization. AmBets were founded by World War II veterans. From 1943, veterans returning from World War II on the college campuses across the United States, 12 different campuses. They got together and wanted to start their own organization. They didn't want to join American Legions, DAV, and VFW. They just wanted their own. And so eventually they got together in 1944 and nine out of the 12 groups and established the American veterans of World War II. In 1947, President Truman signed public law, making it a congressionally chartered organization. Since then, the name has changed to American veterans for to Korea and Vietnam. In 1984, it was changed one last time to be American veterans or AmBets for short. Each time, of course, they had to receive authorization from the Congress. With it being American veterans or AmBets, it's the most inclusive veteran service organization in the United States. It's the fourth largest, but it's the largest, most inclusive veteran service organization that includes or it's open to reservists in National Guard, even if they haven't deployed to the combat zone. All branches service, whether you're on active duty or not, you can join American veterans or AmBets. And that's really it in a nutshell. Do I have to have had a career or can I just be a reservist that did my reserve time on active duty and then got out? Exactly. Do I qualify? Oh, absolutely. Even if you have served one day in the military, reserved on whether your first day from basic and AIT, first day at your reservist duty station, whether Army Reserve, Army National Guard, Marine Reserve, or what have you, yes, you are eligible to join. So can I belong to more than one of these organizations at a time? Like can I belong to AmBets and also VFW and also the American Legion? Oh, yes, of course. We encourage all our members to join them all. Myself, I'm a life member of American Legion, VFW, Veterans of Foreign War, DAV, Disabled American Veterans, and so and of course AmBets. So I'm a life member of all four. You can join as many as you're eligible to join and we encourage that. It's very important. So what does it mean to be the commander, Donovan? Are you the senior veteran member of the organization? Is that what it is? Yes, but you know, I'm really, I have a long history with AmBets here in Hawaii, maybe a little bit lenty, but I'll share it. Please stop me when you think I'm going a little bit too far. In 2006, I was assigned with the Joint POW MIA Accounting Command JPEC. It's now called DPAA, Defense POW Accounting Agency. Well, in 2006, we were sent to the AmBets National Convention in Las Vegas there to provide updates on our recovery operations. That is where AmBets National Commander asked me to join, to start a charter here in Hawaii because the one that was here prior, the charter members couldn't continue.  And so JPEC, my fellow team sergeants and team leaders started a charter here for AmBets back in 2006 and we have carried on ever since. I was the department commander or then post commander and we, you know, have been doing all we can for a junior ROTC, which maybe later we could talk a little bit about our programs. And ROTC, that's there at the University of Hawaii, besides the Arizona Memorial. That's what really got our attention as active duty guys, you know, doing the MIA mission. And yes, it's very important to take time to ensure that our World War II veterans aren't forgotten because we're losing so many of them. AmBets is the one that built the Arizona Memorial Shrine Wall. We have a memorandum agreement with the National Park Service from the first wall and we've rebuilt it three times last time in 2014. But in 2006, Superintendent Linz, he wanted to raise funds or to ask AmBets to resurface the wall because the names needed to be, you know, repaired and so it's more readable, you know, more legible, right? And, you know, we raised about $7,000 between us and folks at the National Headquarters to resurface the wall. And it, you know, took time to raise the funds. We didn't have a lot of, as we were always deploying, you know, we didn't have a lot of time and what have you. So that became more focused or sort of like or rallying cry, you know, to get everyone to join the organization. And of course, our ROTC, that was the other big thing that got our attention to join. So how many members do you have in the organization here? So initially, when we started, we did have, you know, like 700, 800 members. Now we just have over 500 members. But we will be able to grow a lot faster. A lot of our members were active duty guys when we started and they PCSed off the island. So you have people who have recently been in the service in AMVETS, I take it, people who've been to Afghanistan and the like, come back and gotten out and then they join AMVETS. Is that what happens? Oh, absolutely. But we do have members that are serving currently. You know, when the Congressional Charter for AMVETS is a 501C19, it's a military membership organization, not really just for veterans, a military organization, a military membership organization for World War II veterans initially, right, of then current and past members. Since then, you know, like I mentioned, the bylaw has been changed and approved by the Congress to change the name to allow more folks to serve or become members of AMVETS. So AMVETS consists of active duty service members as well. That's great. So, Ron, you're the first, what is it, first vice commander, that means you serve with Donovan, you assist Donovan, you're the number two guy in the Hawaii organization. What do you do in that role and why? My role basically right now is to fill in where Donovan can't. He's the only person I know that works 25-8. But in short, you know, maybe I can do this, Jay. I'd like to give some insight because a lot of people like myself, seven years ago, I was not a part of any veterans organization. And I had no interest in being connected to the military anymore. I served and that was it. I was a civilian. But when I met Donovan, I thought, well, maybe I can help out a little bit. And so I just went with him. There's just a handful of us, went to some job fairs, and I thought, well, okay, I've been involved here in business for decades here in Hawaii. I did business at Bishop Street, okay, downtown. I was an executive for several financial institutions. So that's my background. Your name sounds very familiar to me, Ron. So I thought, I'll help with the job fairs and maybe help some of these troops that are transitioning from military to civilian and helping with job interviews or connections. And so that's how I began. And that's all my vision was at that time. Come to realize later that Donovan had a great vision, which is being realized now. But I wanted to say this, not to bring attention to myself, but so that others out there that can hear me can relate to what I'm saying. I served in the military and I joined, so I wouldn't be drafted. And that was back in the late 60s. And Vietnam was raging. So I ROTC, commissioned from college. I saw that that was the safest way for me to go into the military. So I was fortunate to be assigned for three years in Germany. I was a signal officer. And quite a problem in the army, in the army. Yes. So when I got out, I was tired of the army and military, and I wanted to be a civilian. Well, some of my family, friends and classmates went to Vietnam. And most of them that survived are suffering or one thing or another. And two of my classmates were killed in action in Vietnam. So you can see the feelings that we had. The war was just not a popular thing. And it was a very negative thing. And so that was the time. So when I joined Donovan, I thought, well, maybe I can help out a little bit. And then one thing led to another. And then Donovan had me volunteer here with the VA to represent ambits. I thought, Jesus, I've never done this before. But we're not looking for experience. We're just looking for people that are willing just to be available. So that's what I tried to do with Donovan. I said, Donovan, I don't have any background and skills maybe that you would need. But I'm here to do whatever you need me to do if I can. So Donovan, it must have been more complex than that. You liked Ron for other things too, right? He presented to you and he was bringing certain value to the organization. Both of you guys, Army guys, both significant careers in the Army. Why did you want to hire, so to speak? Hire may not be the right word. Why did you want to bring Ron Lam in? Yes, sir. You know, we're all volunteer organization. So we wanted folks that really want to give back. They will really care and want to give from the heart. And Ron was always dependable. He was always there to help us with our career fears and what have you. He's just a very dependable person and then very mature and have a lot of experience in business and so on and so forth. You know, Ron is from a family that has so many uncles really served in World War II. And, you know, M Betz was born out of World War II. World War II started here in Hawaii. M Betz is the only congressional, congressional chartered World War II organization, you know. And so it means a lot and Ron and his family have contributed so much. His uncle, he has five uncles that served in World War II. I'm not mistaken.  He's really all of what we are about because we had, especially during that time, 2006, right? And I'm going to try and wrap this up, right? So in 2006, bear with me, the unemployment rate was so high, you know, for veterans. And with Ron, that was, we had his full support. He was always there to help to set up for these career fears at the Blaisdell and elsewhere. And he knew the business community was pretty valuable to you. Yes, he knew the business and connect us well. So he was an asset for sure. So Monica, you know, I'm getting a picture here of an organization who wants to, you know, get veterans involved, get them into the organization, want to give them a soft landing from the service, wants to give them, if you will, a social and nostalgic experience on whatever service they had. And the organization can provide them more than just a social experience and a nostalgic reverie. It can actually get them jobs and it can connect them with the business community, as I'm sure Ron does. So my question is, you know, how much activity do you have in that regard? How successful are you?  Yes. There you go. Okay, perfect. Veterans day. This is very important. November 11th, as I recall it. How successful are you in doing that and connecting veterans who may not have an easy connection, connecting veterans to the community for jobs, for, you know, for all kinds of, you know, community connection. What is that like and how is it working in a world where everybody who's come out of the service now was a volunteer, you know, Ron Lam's career is sort of like mine. I went into the Coast Guard. I didn't want to get drafted. It was around the same time, Ron, we must be related, I think.  Now we have a time where there was no draft. Now we have a time when, you know, you go in as a volunteer, it's a different environment. And when we come out, the question is, what is the civilian community going to be respectful and helpful and take you in, so to speak. So can you talk about that, Monica? Yes, most definitely. Well, with myself, I'm bringing to the table 30 years of experience. I started at the age of 14 in Japan, and I took my first job in the Navy resale operations. And from there on, while I was in school, I had a passion to serve my community. I'm a very patriotic child. I have to thank my father, Mr. Iofalo, who was the voice of the Navy in San Diego, California, who no longer is with us, is resting at Miramar National Cemetery. So because of the 30 years of experience, I myself really wanted to join the Air Force and become a fighter pilot. I didn't have the opportunity. So what I did become is after being a military spouse, and it was all affiliated with military everywhere I turned was military. My brother was in the Air Force, so 20 years, who's now retired in Idaho. My dad was in the Navy. My uncle, his brother, was in the Marine Corps, was a sergeant major, went twice, I believe four tours to Vietnam. And then we also served in the Army in the Green Marais and the National Guard. I currently have a son that's stationed in the Air Force, my son-in-law in San Antonio, Texas. So we breathe and we wake up. We sleep military. So because of that passion that I can say I was born with, I want to make this a service to my community. And what we can bring to the table is because I'll call myself the millennial of the Vietnam babies. So I believe that with my experience and relationship with different age groups, I really strongly believe that we can bring everybody from 2020 in this really exciting year, and we can bring them and retrain, reset, regroup, and just rebuild. And I believe if we bring that one-on-one with families in the military and civilian community, we will make an impact and give hope to society one more time. We will develop jobs, we'll bring them in, and we will even exercise every talent skill that all our members here with American veterans have to contribute to this society that we live in today. So that's my overview. Hey, I'd like to pose a question to all three of you or get into a discussion about this. You know, I think it was Ron that said he's very patriotic. We all are, all four of us for sure. And right now we live in a country where maybe that's not, you know, unanimous. Some people do not respect, you know, people who have been in the military. Some people haven't been within miles of the military. Nobody in their family has served. They don't have a clue what it's like. They do not do national service their whole lives. And in a way, you know, that's very corrosive. Myself, I regretted the end of the draft because I thought the draft connected people to the military, connected people to the country, and that you had to do some national service. This is good for you and good for the country.  And the country is us. It's all together. And we can never forget that. And I just wonder what that sort, what that whole concept plays for you in terms of, you know, the way the country works, the way the country feels about the military and the veterans, and the way the veterans and the military feel about the country in these difficult times. Donovan, what are your thoughts about that? Well, you know, I, it's a very, very good question, right? And I appreciate it taking the time because that's something that we must always take the time to talk about in our community, especially with our young folks, because one of our most important, I guess, challenge is how can we help young children or students, right? That's maybe moving on from high school to college to want to serve, not just in the military, but also in the community. So if we can help them to find their purpose, that is huge. And so I believe through our children, our future leaders, especially with our junior ROTC program here in Hawaii, we do so well. We have 26 high school in the junior ROTC program. And for many years, including Ron, who would present medals to the awardees and usually two per school. And at the University of Hawaii as well, they have two detachment, they just stood up another detachment and maybe detachment a month ago. Here in Hawaii, I think we really do well. Here on the Ewa Kapolei side, we have a lot of patriots here. I do believe that we need to get back to teaching civics in school, for sure. And, you know, we have different programs to promote Americanism, right? And whether it's a poster contest, in order to draw, maybe paint a picture of the flag, and then we have our essay contest to write about what it means to, you know, the individuals that's writing that particular essay. And we will provide grants, we've done that, and we'll continue to do that. But I do believe with COVID, it's been challenging.  And since we've had many recognitions of service members, great press, which is, you know, it's comforting for service members returning home from the battlefield. And they need a welcome. Yeah, so the welcoming home is huge, means a lot. And the parades are very important, like on Veterans Day, when we are able to and Christmas parades to have service members and veterans out there in the parades. And young kids, they see that and is like, yeah, so we're taking care of our veterans, we're taking care of our service members. I think I can join. Yeah, it gives them a connection to the country. That's what patriotism is about. So Ron, Ron Lam, what are your thoughts about this? This is a very important issue. It goes way beyond just the veterans in Hawaii. It goes to the heart of the country. We have forgotten so much about the way things should work. And the veterans are the fellows who gave us the gift of a working democracy. How do you feel about their role now and the way the country is going with respect to the military? Okay, I feel that. But first of all, my view of everything is I'm basically a Christian. I don't say very much about it and I don't talk about that. But when I'm in a company of people like we have here, with Monica and others that have jumped on board with us, I hear them refer to God a lot. And it warms my heart because that's what I feel, that this nation was founded on that premise and we can't move away from it too far or that's what causes trouble. But we don't push religion on people. We push the values that make society work. And with the military, it is a big advantage because the military teaches us skills, discipline, the very things that Jay that you said, it would be great, man, if it was required for everyone in this nation to have to serve one year in the military, I think it would help people grow up and appreciate what we have. But beyond that, I wanted to say that my motivation for doing what I'm doing and why I've stuck with Don Donovan is because I love the people. I pay attention to who, you know, when I first met Monica, I thought she's God's sin. You know, I wasn't praying for it, but maybe it was an inner prayer I had and here she is with all her resources. And you know, this is only one of many examples. And that's why I believe that the work that we're doing is bringing people together that have the values and the discipline that will make this country successful and great. So it's more than just your daily experience here. Because my 25 by 8 Donovan, you know, we only have a minute left, Monica, and I wanted to give you some time to close. So Monica, you know, what have we learned in this discussion? What should we take away from this discussion about the, you know, the American veterans and vets in Hawaii? It's very important that you guys do your work. It's very important that you exist and you act as a home base, if you will, for veterans. But tell us what you'd like to leave with us today. Yes, most definitely. First and foremost, Jay and Fidel, we here at American Veterans Hawaii would like to thank you very much for your services, for the armed forces. Thank you. And giving us this opportunity, I have two words. It's forgotten to freedom. And that's what I want to say. Forgotten is our veterans back to freedom. So we are here to make a global impact and let everyone know in the United States, international global markets, we stand on the map, we're very tiny on the little island, but we will develop a personal one-on-one touch with conditional estimates. And that's what I wanted to say. Thank you very much, Jay. Forgotten and freedom. Thank you so much, Monica. Thank you, Donovan. Thank you, Ron. Thank you. Really appreciate you coming around and exposing us to this, something we may not have known about. We know a little more now. We wish you well in every regard. Aloha. Aloha.


and I felt like it was screening air. And some of you have been through this many times and some of you have never been through it. So what we do is we'll introduce ourselves and then we're just going to open it up. This is your day to tell us what you're thinking about, what you're concerned about, what you would like us to be addressing. Issues that we have. Sometimes there are more contentious issues do we have that affect municipalities and sometimes not. And for those of us who were at the lunch I think both Mara has talked about what municipalities do and are capable of and Mayor Werner talked about what a couple of very specific issues around these but we have a chair here that's Alice's new school. Don't take her school. No, no, take her school. And I will apologize. One of our committee members, Brian, the center call from Ronald, is right now at another committee presenting a bill. So he will be out there soon as he's done. So I'm just going to invite you and I chair Senate government operations. I represent the county. I'm Sarah Copeland-Hanses. I chair House government operations and I represent Fairleigh West, Fairleigh and Brad. I'm going to be playing on vice chair since I've got government operations. I represent Washington County. My name is Bruce Bray. I also serve on government operations and I serve on the House government operations. I represent Washington County. I'm a friend and I serve on the House government operations. I'm Bob Grishenbrad. I'm a federal officer. I'm Nishio Alson. I'm Al Colston. I represent New Scheme and I serve in the House government operations. I'm Nelson Broad Allergaum. I'm Thomas Wilford in Bennington County. I serve on the House government operations. I'm John Belouster. I work at Elton and I work on House government operations. Hi, I'm Andrew Rookie and I'm a state representative from Plotty representing the Women's Fourth District. Plotty was the most administrative women's senator of work. We're both constituents of each other. My name is John Hannon. I'm the vice chair of government operations in the House and I represent Hal Fax, William Hammond, and New County. Well, obviously, they seem to be the best of the last. My name is Rob Clare, I'm a retired townman. I sit on the House government operations. So, Sarah, I would just kind of facilitate this and this is your show. So, if you wouldn't point, you would have something to say. However, if you would identify who you are and where you're from and maybe what your role is.  So, let's take it away. Yes. Oh, and I apologize for the part that under matter came in. Alison Carson from Lutzer County, said to go off. Thank you, Senator. I'm Peter Rowell, I'm the town manager and final bro. I'm here today with two of our select board members, and we're here to thank the Senate Government Operations Committee for the work that you did last year bringing S-106 forward into this chamber and the passage of S-106 in last year's first part of the biennium. And we'd like to ask those of you who are on House Got Lobster, please hold hearings on S-106. It's the proposed pilot project for having just a handful of municipalities be allowed under very clearly specified limitations and under the supervision of the state to exercise some additional self-governance authority. For reasons that we'd like to make much more fully clear during hearings, we think this is really important and to do it in a way that is such a controlled experiment to see whether or not it will work well for the longer haul and serve of our communities and the wider state entrusts. We think it's important that the experiment be given an opportunity. There's experiences in other states that have shown that becoming more partners, I thought it was interesting to be a representative where we can say you're each other's constituents with you and the Senator. That's actually part of the underlying intention of this proposed S-106 which is the understanding that your constituents are our constituents and we serve the same people. We serve a subset of those but we serve them day in and day out week in and week out throughout the year addressing a variety of local needs and we think that those local needs need more the local officials need a little more room to have some creativity and be effective in addressing our local as opposed to state-wide. So there are others who will have something to say about that today and we'd really like the opportunity, please, to sit down with you and go through more substantively what's in the proposed legislation and why it's important and why we think it serves not just individual community entrusts but broader state entrusts as well. And one separate thing is on the same theme of local authority we appreciate that House GovOps has stood up for 2% local option tax on the marijuana legislation and we hope or cannabis legislation and we hope that as that continues on to final passage that you'll stand behind that position we understand that not all your colleagues feel the same way. We think that it's very important the bulk of the revenue will come to the state coffers. I think it's really important that that 2% local option be available to municipalities. Thank you. So I would love to just take a minute to update folks on what's happening with the cannabis bill because it has made its way through the Ways and Means Committee that has worked on the tax for the cannabis legislation. It's now waiting in House appropriations and then we'll come to the floor we expect as early as next week. So Ways and Means Committee did very deliberately leave in the proposal that there would be 2% local option for revenue to the municipalities just in recognition that there may be impacts to municipalities with a new industry that is coming out of the shadows shall we say and into legal existence and so House Ways and Means Committee did not agree that a 2% option on sales which would be just 2% of whatever the price is that folks are paying for cannabis was the right way to go. They have instead shifted to a model where the local cannabis commissions and as you have local liquor commissions you can have a local cannabis commission as well and that that local commission could assess a fee on the licensee for any kind of cannabis license and so we actually think when you compare the two possible ways of getting revenue to municipalities that the fee on all of the licensees that exist in your community might actually be a a better gauge of the impact could be you could have two growers or you could have 20 growers you could have one retail and no growers or you could have you know any different combination of cannabis licensees and that having a cut of those fees back to the municipality would be a better way to make sure that the impact to municipalities is recognized. We don't expect it's going to be a lot of revenue on the sale side and so that's why we think that maybe this this format of doing it through through a fee would be would be preferable. John is there anything that I missed on that or anything you'd like to clarify? Just want to clarify is that the local option tax will only be collected at the retail site so towns who've got a grower manufacturer or wholesale or you can get any option tax as a grower has kind of been drafted with this thing anyone who has a licensee or it's a cultivator manufacturer or wholesale or retail or retail or we'll get some of that licensing fee so this isn't shares around the revenue a little more than the local option tax would. I just want to follow up to see if there's any kind of idea of numbers around that because for instance the fees we charge for alcohol sales and things like that are very minimal economically small so I'm just wondering are we talking hefty fees and it's to be shared with the state like similar to the way our town courts collect the same fee that people who want to sell alcohol have to pay yearly we're talking $50 to $100 something like that. I think the only way to gauge that because the cannabis control board at the state level won't come into existence until after this bill passes and then they will determine what they think the licensing fee should be for the different tiers small, medium and large as well as for the different kinds of licenses that John listed but you could make an assumption that those fees might be in line with what other states created tax and regular models might be although I don't know that other states have done the tiered licensing that we're looking at but perhaps the largest license type might be roughly equivalent to what say Massachusetts or Oregon or California do it's really hard to say John any other insights that you have from sitting in with the Ways and Means Committee on that? No because that part when we were discussing the bill that was the amendment that they voted out just yesterday so I don't know much more in service and I will say that from the Senate's perspective it's the whole thing will be up for the Ways and Means Committee I can guarantee that and I don't know that I know that I went to was that a store in Browbro last weekend and it's called a Hemp and Cure and they have turned the kit that works there has no vested interest in what they might generate in terms of sales because he's an employee's on mark and he said that on a single day and every weekend day he probably turns down $4,000 in sales if they could sell so a 2% local options tax on that would be significantly more than anything you could put on an additional fee in addition to what the state is putting on as a fee so anyway that isn't there's a difference of opinion there that is yes I just want to point out I don't want to take up the whole time here but I just want to point out that all these other states that people point to Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts they all have local coverable sales tax add-ons to their information well I don't know about the fees so that's another question but I do know they have healthy local taxes being applied to Canada sales thank you Jeanette we have a very nice example with liver sales because yes we have liver licenses but then we also have rooms and meals tax and much more revenue is raised from the room and meals tax and liver licenses are pivoted Christine Mott, Mayor of Wenuski I think additional to that why wouldn't we want amongst the way that these two local governing bodies occur we are already running a liquor control board shouldn't cannabis be treated in a similar fashion and I think there's also some alignment between this issue and the local government that we know on the ground what is good for our communities we would like to see some of this funding like from local auctions tax so that we can implement program for prevention with the youth we've seen that as an evidence-based model of prevention the more connected that you feel to their community the less likely they are to engage in substance abuse the more agency that we have to find out what are the ways to make our youth feel connected I think there's better prevention there than reading on a state level to do that for us my name is Jesse Baker I'm the city manager of Wenuski I'm here obviously with my Mayor my city council are Hal Colston you're also my state rep I'm going to forego the comment on the marijuana marketplace I think the Mayor spoke very appropriately for our community but I would like to go back to what my colleague from Brownboro brought up about S106 and encourage the House to take up that legislation and really consider this being the biennium where we do something innovative and progressive about local control Vermont's always been a statewide culture of innovation, local control and gumption this would allow us the opportunity to have a true experiment in a time delineated fashion to look at what giving your share of local elected officials slightly more power to dictate how local communities are governed would lead to innovation in the state and lead to unique communities meeting their needs in different ways I really encourage the House to take up that bill hold hearings as my colleague Peter said and welcome the opportunity to come back and talk to you about that more in depth and I also want to thank the Senate for initially moving it forward in the first year it was a huge step in the right direction and really I think for those of us who just love the municipal level and many people in the room have heard me talk about what a dork I am for local government but a real acknowledgement of what we are trying to do on the local level to be creative so thank you for that and please take it up with the committee's blessings I would actually like to turn it back to Mayor Locke she has a really interesting example from her experience and governance at the local level of how this kind of self-governance innovation could have improved our community in the last year with the blessing of the chair before we do that can I just give an example of a when we were doing the S106 about four years ago the town of Woodstock they had some parking meter money and they wanted to use their parking meter money for something else other than more parking meters and they weren't allowed to do that because we told them they had to use parking meter money for parking meters so if you did we actually did something which allowed them to use the money for it but that was an example of something so so facilities mined that we had to weigh in on that to allow a local government to do what they felt was best so I think I just needed it because I think that was one of the most insane samples I've seen probably a dessert so some more example when I ran for mayor actually last winter I was in the middle of a two year term on the city council and by our charter I actually had to step down in order to run for mayor I was running against another city councilor whose term was actually ending so he was able to fulfill his term and then run for the position of mayor it creates some disconnect when I ended up winning I had been then not serving for six weeks maybe more 12 so there's a disconnect in service there there's also a bit of an imbalance when you know you have two parties running one is still sitting at the table visibly and in the decision making process you know there were executive sessions that were important negotiations happening that then I had to be caught up to speed on when I came back into my seat as the mayor and this is another example of something that is a small administrative issue that would benefit our community to have more continuity in local leadership and to have to elevate that through the process all the way here for you folks to make that decision doesn't seem like a good use of time and inhibits the ability of us to you know respond to an issue like that that's a boy from the town was fairly and I also want to speak to that to that film because we experienced it with a population of 670 people there's not a lot of folks out here who can take on particularly that treasurer's role and the role has become so complex now you can't just pick somebody out of the air and say we'll learn it we needed a chart to change when our treasurer and town clerk retired to split the jobs better keeping those jobs separate anyways but the delay that happened in terms of trying to get through that but beyond that of getting that approval and truly having this landlord be the assistant treasurer working with NEMRIC a contractor coming in but the need for someone in town to understand our books and our budget all that stuff had to be doing that stuff on the ground they came in they built that sort of thing but that delay was just about broken just in terms of that sort of workflow it needs to move on more quickly wasn't anything strange we needed to have qualified treasurer serving our town thank you I would add one more small thought I would rather have you folks spending your time on bigger issues that we can't address in our community anything else a bit of a change first of all I'm Jeff Weinberg from Rutland Public Works Commissioner and I totally support and have for decades all the sentiments that you've just heard from that my peers hear on another issue House 782 and there's a senate corollary it's yeah it's the longest house you go yes there are a lot of moving parts in there and I think the mayor of Burlington did an excellent job at lunch today in terms of advocating for the active 50 exemption for designated downtowns which I wholeheartedly endorse as well I'd like to talk about a different feature in the bill and that is the exemption for municipal wastewater and water connection permits from state permitting I also formally served as commissioner of the department of modern conservation and that's where that permitting takes place so I've kind of had an opportunity to see this activity this program from both sides and honestly if the community has wastewater utility and they choose not to regulate and permit new connections then absolutely the state should do that if the community is not interested in doing that I don't know how many that would be but certainly the state somebody needs to do that there's no question about that but in my experience in the vast majority of cases it's just duplicative that the local utility and the municipality regulates and permits all new or expanded connections to their water and wastewater system and the state also regulates and permits those connections and I am at a loss to see in those circumstances where there already is that program that permitting that regulation at the local level what public benefit at all is derived from the state duplicating that this is precisely why I've developed one I believe it has to support the upwork is not what any of us are interested in absolutely and this is not the stat of the jurisdiction of these committees it is but maybe we can chat afterwards and we, I'm Vice-Chair I would who would love to have your testimony if you'd submit it I would be happy to do that your support of those sections would be great okay excellent thank you the municipal the committee that deals with municipal issues we could actually make a recommendation absolutely to the economic development and the water that's a great idea the more support would be in those sections for that I would just to complete the thought I would just say that A&R regulates our system and they regulate our discharges that go to the waters of the state they regulate our water system and obviously any contaminants monitoring testing and all of that we are subject to those permits it is our responsibility to make sure that we comply with all of those regulations in those permits we believe strongly that it is unnecessary for A&R to also regulate connections to those systems that they regulate that should be our responsibility that's essentially my point but I would be happy to provide that to the committee's jurisdiction Murphy the town manager for the town of Norwich generally supportive of the 106 issues that you've spoken about and again trying to identify a particular model that we can work with in I think the whole intent is really to cooperate and to collaborate with the legislature to figure things out exactly what we set by the U.S. to free up so to speak the time for you folks to be able to get to the bigger things and have us work out with our details whatever those things are just in that aspect of things but I don't know secondly I don't know if it's the appropriate jurisdiction we're a community that's impetition to have an honor warrant this year which it is the fair and impartial policing policy related language that actually matches when you speak what I have is that I'm sworn officer of the community and I have sworn police officers and as you've all heard there are issues with regard to whether there's breakage of federal law in terms of officers sworn to hold the Constitution not break the law and all that sort of stuff I'm going to use the term but I know you can't trump federal law but is there something that we need to have in Vermont that would grant immunity to our police officers who were in those particular situations again I don't know if this is jurisdictionally your particular committees but I've raised the question with Vermont League of Cities and Towns in terms of hey if something does happen does our insurance carrier cover an action by a police officer that may be considered to break federal law I think it could be probably one of those issues that goes could be in either here or in judiciary and I don't know do you have law enforcement in your committee we are our committee has jurisdiction over law enforcement and I also sit on judiciary so it could be either one and we're actually dealing with both do you have law enforcement committee? we do but this feels like it's something that sort of bridges the two committees and I'm not sure something's going to get I know we're real close to crossover it's the 20 year all that sort of stuff but I am concerned about you know a police officer their job is rooted in integrity and it's hard if something comes out and I know that Vermont at this point is protective of individuals across the state especially as the case precedent is starting to come out but I do think that it may be important to at least examine the side of things with regard to insurance coverage and at least immunity of those officers we have a we call the general law enforcement we've had hanging around for a number of years we keep resurrecting and adding things to it and taking things away but this might be something that we can talk to Karen about maybe putting it in on 24 yep thank you sorry I'll just add then everyone's been talking about S106 Luke's hearing mayor for the city of area you talk about other bills in other areas that's not your jurisdiction currently but S106 would actually affect a lot of those bills that you come forward because they're in that committee rather than something that we could have addressed ourselves last year for example we put forward a charter change approved by our constituents in order to beef up our housing order review evictions are a big thing it's a hot topic not one that we see much in the legislature but one that we were hoping that our local housing order review could have handled the voters did put it forward it went to a committee at the house and they said it was too broad too overreaching so they carved back the power of what we were looking to do so as it was passed that board still didn't really have the authority to do what they wanted to this town meeting day we actually have a charter change provision up there to just eliminate it all together if that body can't function the way that we needed to then what's the point of having so I just want you to realize too that we are trying to take something on that sometimes we're then shackled so take that into consideration it's not just what this body or this group does but it also affects the other committees and some of the decisions that they're doing is there anybody in here who actually opposes S106? no? you know and the way it's structured is I don't know how many different towns are here right now today in this room but there's probably more than 10 and the way the building structures I think it is it's a pile of 10 communities isn't it? I think it's 10 up to 10 right? so even if every community in the state agree with it it might not be applicable to them in the first round because it's but I just was curious if anybody actually opposes it I think what's important is that it's the opportunity to put some examples out there of how this could work well and how it could benefit other communities in the future Bill Frazier was a senior manager I wasn't going to speak but he posed that question I think the idea of 10 pilot, 10 town pilot put forth recognizing that you folks are reluctant to provide the authority to the communities I don't think that the municipalities of Rome would put a limit on we would all like to take the energy from that so if you see fit too wide that's good I was funny but I I think there's some meaning for the form here so I'm sure we would be for it but we are willing to try it on a pilot basis so that just that you all perceive might exist we're willing to put a box around it and see how it looks but I don't think on our side of the table we think that's necessary some of us see it less riskier than others I mean we must risk it giving you the authority to do it yeah we know that Allison has said we're often reluctant to give up power and that is through we have this conversation about the I wish I put a little plug in here for everybody to read Vermont papers if you haven't read it and about how governments in the 21st century could actually work and be better if you haven't read it it's a great read by Frank Brian and John Mulhollery and it isn't very often that I probably agree with John Mulhollery but in this case they are right on any other issues that you want to bring up that are bills that we're dealing with or not dealing with are issues that we shouldn't we don't have any elections this year I don't believe oh yes we do we have a non-citizens that's a that's a charter change that's not a general dilemma for a general do you have an election bill for campaign yes you sent it yes we did thank you yes we did but I don't think we're changing this year any elections routines or we try not to do that all the time to drive the tax will be crazy certainly not a election but are issues there concerning you or I mean we're just always curious on regional law enforcement ideas or regional public safety issues or or what we do with our emergency services which we John wants to pose a question so I mean the Department of Public Safety I think held a very large conference about dispatch and the new vision for dispatch which is basically if you preserve this model you know it would be great to hear your reaction from any of you about that proposal we just had the commissioner and yesterday talk about his modernization plan for the Department of Public Safety one of which is dispatch so it would be great to get input from you I know my time is already challenging to me there are concerns so my name is Jessie Baker I'm the city manager of the city of Louisiana I'm also on the board of directors for the Chinden County Public Safety Authority which is a new union municipal district that was stood up by our regional population centers to combine dispatch services to regionalize our dispatch services the board and my colleague from Wilson is also on that board with me as well that board is hard work looking into how we do this in our Chinden County communities the real challenge we are finding is with any innovation like this to stand up a new model that we believe will be a much improved service delivery model over time for our residents get public safety intervention to those who need it more quickly and will also be more cost effective it takes new dollars to become to become more cost effective so in the interest of standing up a new center we need to change radio systems we need to modernize technology we need a new server with a regional dispatch solution like this you can't just flip one switch off and flip another switch on you need some period of time where you're running parallel systems I think the challenge that we face in Vermont is our communities are paying for that service or not paying for it very very differently so in Winnowski the property taxpayers are paying for local dispatch as well as a PSAP through state property taxes or state taxes in other communities in Chinden County they are solely paying for that service through their state taxes not on the local level so you're seeing a need to increase the local level some kind of parity needs to be found across our community so I think a fee for service is a great solution and again if you really want to encourage innovation and encourage municipalities to get to their four regional approach I know historically there were some public safety equipment grants that were given out and that funding has unfolded over time looking at some small capital grant dollars to encourage that initial capital investment which is the one-time hurdle that is sometimes hard for communities to get to that future innovation would be very welcome thank you that's a great idea that's one of the things we're producing because I do think if you're switching the model there aren't going to be costs and I think we're headed then we need to think about how to incentivize that thank you two years or I don't know how many years ago our community we're concerned about law enforcement and the same kind of issues around law enforcement that some cities are, some places are paying to get local taxes and then some people are just relying on them state police to cover them and so we did a tour and one, I'm not going to do it all but one of the things that came out of that very clearly from every law enforcement person that we saw in most municipalities that if all law enforcement could be in the same retirement system in the state which is the way they do it in New Hampshire that you wouldn't have the problem where you have the town of Bells Falls trains send somebody to the academy and gets them all trained up and everything and then their retirement system isn't as good as the state police that they they jump to the state police is there have any of you talked about that at all and how it would impact your local community if every law enforcement certified law enforcement officer was in the same state retirement system I county johnson we contracted while sheriff's department and that's exactly the problem with the state because the sheriff's deputies are not allowed to be in the state retirement system we fork over the money and train them to send them down to the training give them a little bit of OJT on the row of the training and then they jump to the municipality or state police it's a cost that we're continually paying for is the training not to follow these other officers the other thing I would just say as far as the PSAP one law county has had its own work coming on 40-50 years now we're the first one in the state it is a page you go we all contribute to it it's a cradle to grave type of event PSAP they don't just tone out the fire fire with the police and then they disappear they're with them all the time until the end of the event and it's a problem that worked really well for us and it's something beyond the normal PSAP but we wouldn't treat it but yes as far as paying for the officers that go to other communities or the state police because of the retirement we're dealing with that exact problem right now we do have a bill specifically around sheriffs but yes I think we're under help yeah Jesse Baker again I promise this would be my last comment so when you see we are not experiencing that problem we certainly are sharing officers with our other county communities but they are all currently in the same retirement system but for Burlington everyone is in Beamer's which is the Vermont Municipal Employees Retirement System so we have not experienced that problem I would like on that topic though of retention of excellent officers and actually recruitment of officers the challenge we are seeing in Winooski and this may be specific to us is a real systematic challenge with the academy right now the police academy is an overnight residential academy that is I would argue is historic and militaristic in its training and when you see we have a real policy priority led by our city council to diversify our workforce and ensure that our officers reflect our community in Winooski that is very hard if you really want to lower that barrier to entry to more diverse candidates in public safety it's hard to do through a residential academy these are folks who may be caring for young children caring for multiple generations being the sole interpreter in their family for them to step out of their families for 12 or 14 weeks is a huge barrier to entry if there was a non residential academy that allowed them to get the training that is critical to them being able to carry out the mission but allowed them to go home at nights and on the weekends and take care of their families I think we would start to see the landscape of policing in Vermont look very different we've been having this fight for many years and we have been we have proposed looking at alternative models and we will keep pushing to look at alternative models and just for your information it is now 16 residential weeks there is a proposal from the academy to make it 20 so but we it is something that we constantly bring up and and hopefully we will have some aspect of that and we will work on that thank you I just want to make a comment and follow up with just shared I see this as an equity issue and I think if we look at it through that lens we will get some traction and make some changes so that we can increase our participation in public safety we are going to be talking about this right now making it into a health issue as well community health we are going to be talking about the discussed sort of the needs what we should be doing around the public safety the other thing we are looking at just that we are doing some work on is the our EMS systems are in I don't know if in your community they are in bad shape or not but we are losing first responders and our EMS systems are overtaxed and so we have a bill that we will actually be reviewing tomorrow I believe that we will try to address some of those issues and speaking of the academy one of the problems that we have with the EMS is that we have a fire academy and a police academy we have nothing for EMS people and in fact if you want to be an EMT if you take that program in Vermont cost $24,000 if you are lucky enough to live in Radlerow and you can take it and rebuild it to $7,000 but so we are looking at how we can be thought of as a system because that is how it is all over so Lucas Herring not directly with the police service but there are different positions that if you have nowhere else to go it is put on the police officer so we had grants through department corrections at one point those grants dried up so that was something that was then born on our municipality this year there was actually a bill for mental health specialists so we are looking to partner with Montpelier we have money in our budget hoping that that can come together but it is really that the officers are going from that 18 to 20 weeks some of it is to specify training that they need to have to deal with all of these issues and if there can be other positions that can deal with those that are not law enforcement one is that precepts them again of who is coming to help me but the other one is the right services being provided by the right professional to do that in the community and there are regional trainings that could happen around specialized just anecdotally I can support more along the lines of a rescue situation where you are dealing with it I am an individual that was suffering a heart attack I had a 911 system work perfectly in Vermont but they just batched somebody they didn't have enough staff this is up in Grand Isle so they didn't show up so they dispatched Platsburg New York they started across the ferry finally Grand Isle showed up so they canceled Platsburg the guys on Grand Isle didn't have the proper staff that they needed which is the person that put a port in nobody is an EMT they are all volunteers they read this batch to Platsburg and then and then what they decided to do was throw me into the South Arrow rescue my wife basically said should I go on the ambulance or not and they said that's okay we are just going down to the Grand Isle Fire Department because we have to wait for someone from North Arrow's department to come down and put the port in they drove me down in the ambulance one and a quarter miles away from my house to the fire station he sat in the parking lot waited for the individual to get off of his boat from fishing on Lake Champlain to come down to meet so they could put a port in for an IV then they started into Burlington and finally got to Burlington for a plectrum what normally takes me in a regular car driving normally you can get from my house to Burlington in 30 minutes took an hour and 20 minutes I'm still here today which is good but there was the point I'm getting at is that Colchester and Milton have EMTs full time on call all the time as part of their service there should have been a normal reaction to do an intermediary call to say we're going to throw the guy in the wagon we're going to drive down to Sam Barr State Park or whatever need us there so they can switch me up or throw the EMT in there but that to me is a classic example of well intentioned folks that don't have something didn't click at that point you know when it was a Sunday they didn't have all the stuff and that sort of stuff so for me it was just the perfect world the summary of the whole story is that the South Hero one couldn't make it fast enough up as well because Willie the donkey was loosed from the barn from share of bounds and he had to go after Willie to go back to the barn where they could get the ambulance up to my house Willie just passed away this past weekend but so the joke in the hospital was that an ass was more important than me that day that day hey I'm sorry for that but just to I would support that kind of stuff my estimate to go beyond that I think there's a level of regionalization of services instead of having three volunteer rescue services in the islands you have one rescue service and then you fill up your time cheap areas and all that and some of those posts would be used to do with the situation and the support for that through additional training would be helpful thanks for sharing that I'm glad you're here too I'm just curious in our area you would be never left it is there not that service there if there was it was not I mean there is connectivity between the hospital in the center hospital I'm the old guy so I still want to call Fletcher Allen, Mary Fletcher and all that but whatever that hospital is they're not having a better affiliation so they may have been able to do something but I think what it was was just a comedy of errors and just not doing a simple thing saying we need to get this guy in and let's start toward the hospital and call one of the other folks that had the EMTs in them and do that intervention I should know it's having been working on the CMS but isn't there a useful aid that goes into the clinics in at that moment one of the things so it's a real amazing story and the heart attack that I had was the widowmaker version so I'm really really praising them here and the ER staff was amazed that there wasn't something else that occurred and I'm not the individual who wants to go out and sue and all that sort of stuff because I have 30% scarring and I left ventricle and all that to this day but really what I want to do at some point is to basically walk into their rescue during one of their trains and say hey, this is what happened this should not happen again well I think we made some it wouldn't solve that problem but there are the an economy member example of the emergency there is a board of emergency medical people and the board did not have what we considered the appropriate representation from the different regions they were expected to represent huge regions we all changed that two years ago was it two years ago to change the makeup of the board so now there is more local input into that board so that hopefully should help with that coordination I don't know that it will but we heard a lot from the ambulance people in the first responders I know they need one so there is no fault they are also your fire departments and your police departments don't pay gas and diesel tax but all of your ambulance services they all do they all pay for gas and diesel tax is that because they are 501c3s or something no 501c3s pay gas tax but we are looking at it and senator matt says looking at it in his bill to see how we can do that because they are private ambulance companies too and they get the same I don't know they are also private ambulance companies that apparently are now setting up to just do hospital and hospital transports because they can make money on that but not deal with people like you like hospital and so we are trying to figure out how to have some regulation over them maybe require them to have a certificate and need the way hospitals do I don't know the clerk of the year is going to buy lunch and possibly pick it up anything else from fear community members or people well if things are courting it let us know and watch the schedule and testify when you can send information get a hold of carol and winn and I will say that carol and winn were really harder than we have up here and sometimes we disagree but mainly we try to relisten and they are very good representatives for you thank you