Hi everyone, this is Chih-chou. Welcome to my channel and welcome to another video where we're gonna play the 10 by 10 math puzzle game, the pattern recognition game that we came up with in 2015, I believe, where we were putting up a grid, 10 by 10 grid where we're gonna learn the multiplication table and then since we had the grid up, we ended up playing a 10 by 10 puzzle pattern recognition game that I learned from a student back in early 2000s, might've been like 18 years ago or so. 18, 16 years ago that I learned this game, right? And what we've done with this game is we played it once, went through the instructions of how to play this game and I put out a blog post and you can, I'll provide the links in the description of this video if you wanna know how to play this game, right? And then later on what we ended up doing is we did a live stream in 2018 where we set up the grid and we had basically three days of live streaming and for this video what we're doing actually right now is live streaming this game as well. This camera that you see right now is the HD camera right below it is a live streaming camera and I got a mic set up here for live streaming, computer set up here for live streaming and what we're doing is we're playing this game as a community on Twitch and this is our first day of three that we're gonna do and there's a few different strategies involved in playing this game, right? And we're gonna do one of the strategies right now and the strategy is basically working from the outside and going all the way in, right? And the rules of this game are pretty simple. Just to let you know but I'll provide the links in the description of this video to the article and the playlist that we have for this game as well as the video that gives you the instructions goes through it and we've done the instructions a few times now but I'll give you a quick version of the instructions which is basically this. We got a 10 by 10 grid, 100 squares on the board, right? And what we wanna do is fill up the squares from number one to number 100 sequentially one at a time, right? Now we start with the number one and what we're gonna do is for this game we're gonna work our way from the outside end, right? But for now, for the instructions let me show you all the different movement types. Let's assume we're gonna put number one here, right? Now there's two main movement types. Vertically and horizontally, the next number has to be three squares away from the previous number so it could go here, it could go here it could go here or it could go here, right? And the next number is two, right? So we could put two here, here, here or here. Diagonally, you have to be two squares away from the previous number. So number two could go here, one two could go here, could go here or it could go one two here, right? So we could put the number two here, here, here, here, right? We could only place one number in a square, right? So let's assume we take this guy down. We put the number two here. That's our option, right? The next number is number three and the same rules apply, same movement types apply. Vertically or horizontally, we have to be three squares away, right? So we can't go up because that's off the grid. You can't go off the grid.  So number three, let's assume we do this. We put it here, right? And so on and so forth. Number four could go here, number four could go here, number four could go here and those are our only choices because the rest of them take us off grid and this one's already occupied, okay? And the name of the game is to get to 100. The best score we've had so far on live streams, we had it last year in 2018. We got to 99. This is our second game we're playing on this live stream and the previous game, warm-up game, we only got to 94, okay? And the way we're doing this with the live stream, we've broken our grid down into letters, alphabet and numbers. So if we wanna place something down in a certain square, we just call out with the chat anyway with the live stream, we just go the letter and then the number. So if you're gonna put the number one, starting number one at A10, right? You just punch in A10 in the chat and we put one there. If you want number two to go to diagonally here after we put number one here, let's assume we put one here, right? If the next movement is diagonal to number two and if you want number two gone here, you would say C8 and we put the number here, C8, oops, not C8, we'd go number two, right? Number two and so on and so forth. That's the movement style that we're doing, okay? Aside from that, we're gonna go to chat. We're gonna see where we're gonna play the game and hopefully, hopefully we get to 100. We complete the puzzle. It'll be a first for us to win it live and I'm just gonna get caught up with the chat a little bit to make sure there's no movement types. Wait, are these comments gonna appear? No, these comments are not appearing. Someone's asking in the live chat, these comments are not appearing in the recorded video that we're doing right now. They are gonna appear on the live stream that we're gonna load on, bit shoot, but we're only gonna be uploading the recorded version with the lapel mic onto YouTube, okay? So there's only gonna be one game loaded onto YouTube but bit shoot is gonna have all the games live stream and the chat is gonna appear on those months, okay? And we're gonna obviously upload this recording on bit shoot as well, okay? Okay, good, okay, sweet. A10, someone's saying we start with A10. Tony, we start with A10 and go around. What do you people say? I say yes, Spotify says yes. So what we're gonna do right now is do this. We've decided before we started recording that the strategy we're gonna use, we're gonna go around and go in. We're gonna be doing a live stream tomorrow and the next day. And another recording hopefully we're gonna end up doing is doing quadrants at a time, breaking this down into four quadrants and doing it that way. But for now, we're gonna start at A10 and go around. So this is gonna be number one, okay? Definitely. Now, there's no preference of going clockwise or counterclockwise. So let's go this way, counterclockwise right now. So one, two, three, here's number two. And I'm gonna put the stickies on there and then I'm gonna put the numbers down. Until we get to a branch where we got choices that we're gonna do other than the, I guess, most important code that we have in solving this right now, which is go around, go around. That supersedes any other movement, right? One, two, three, four. And it's really nice nailing the corners right off the bat. Four, five, six, seven. So that's number 12. We can't go here. So our choices are here, here, or here. Okay, you guys let us know where we're gonna go, okay? For number 13, where it's going to be. I'm gonna put the numbers in. Two, three, four, five. Where should we go for number 12? 13, 13, or 13. And usually at the beginning, the choices are, there's a lot of choices and you can get a nice flow going, right? This way, that way, that way, go around again. That's you. I don't know if I have time. D eight, then A eight. D eight, D eight. So we're here. Oh no, wait, nevermind. F eight to H 10, F eight. Let's see, F eight to H 10, I like that. So we're gonna go 13 there and then 14. And then since our purpose right now is to go around no matter what first, I think what we can do, 13, 14, go here. 15, 16, 17, right? Or go here. 13, 14, 15, 16. Should we keep clockwise instead of rotating clockwise, counterclockwise, clockwise, counterclockwise, or just keep on going clockwise? I think keep on going clockwise. What do you guys say? J eight. Oh, someone's saying go the other way. Now it's like almost that. J eight, round, then around. Okay, that's what we do. 13, 14, 15, 16. 17, and then we can come all the way to here, right? 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, almost made a mistake. 22, and since we're going around, why not? 23, so I'm gonna put these numbers in before we go any further. That way I don't lose track of where we are, right? So we got 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22. We can go around still. Yeah, let's go around. That's our rule right now, right? 23, 24, four, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33. Nice. We'll take care of this rule. So let's do this. Hopefully everyone agrees. 25, let's do it. 26, 27, 28, 30, 31, 32, 33. Let's put the numbers in. 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 31, 32, 33. Good start, yeah, very good start. And three, a Monday morning, that's when there's people watching from the UK and stuff. So the time zones we've set up to play the games live is like middle of the night for some people. 33. Then we got 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41. Nice, we do, we do, right? Go all the way around. Let's do it. 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42. So we're at 33 before. 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45. Now what have we got the choices? Whoa, I stopped concentrating because I was looking up when the stream this is going really well. Yeah, we've done pretty well so far. Can anyone smell it guys? Ah yes, how are you doing? We got 45. Now we got three choices after 45. We can go here, we can go here or we can go here. Now our main purpose right now is to take care of the outsides. We wanna keep on working the outsides, right? So what are our choices? If we come here, we can't hit the outside road. We gotta go here, hit here, and then we can work the outside there and then from there it kicks us out. Here and then we can work these guys, right? 46, here we can go outside right away. So 46, 47, 48, 49, 50. That might be better, just going back right away. G8, I6. So G8, I6, we go that way. We go that way. Yeah, that's doable, that's good. Let's do that. E7, C9, Tony says E7, E7, C9. Whoa, we're going in two different directions. We got competition, we need a second on this. We got two different choices. One of them is taking us that way and the other one's gonna take us here and then that way. Which one should we do, gang? I'm gonna have a sip of tea while we decide. And looking at it from here on the computer screen, I see it flat right now, which is sort of good. Looking at it sideways. I've mentioned this before, before the live streams, but I'll mention it since we're recording this. Looking at it sideways sort of distorts things for me a little bit. Looking at it this way, flat, the way you guys are seeing it is nice. E7 would feel more. E7 would feel more, let's do it. Let's do it. E7, okay, so E7, so we're gonna go 46. 46. And then we're gonna go back, right? That's the movement. I guess I agree with Tony. And he says, okay, let's do it. So I think here is next, C9, let's do it. And then our program kicks in again, right? So this is 47 and our program kicks in again where we're gonna do the outside first. So 48, 49, 50, 51, right? And then we've got choices. 52, 53, 54, hmm, is that where we wanna go? Well, let's do this for now and then we'll decide where to go from there. So 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, okay? 51, so where to now? We could go 52 here, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58. Maybe that's the way to go. I think that'll be nice, maybe. Where were we? 52, 52, 53, 54. Let's do that. Let's kick out and come back down again. I think that's the way we're gonna do because that brings us, the other choices here, here, here. Same deal.  How do we get to this row? Let's do it this way. 52, 53, I hope people agree. 54, 55, 57, 59, 61, 62, 63, 64. Then we can go there. So let's do it up to this point. That would get to the bottom, it would. So let's see, F3, H5, H2, F3, F3, H5. I would get to the bottom, maybe we'd go that way from 51. That would get to the bottom. That would get to the bottom. I like getting to the bottom. The other way we get to the bottom later, which way should we go? You know what, we've laid this out. Let's keep going this way. 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58. And then we can go work the bottom now. 59, 60, 61, 62, 63. Should we do that? Let's keep going, okay? So 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67. Should we go around? Should we go around? Let's go around. The program is kicking in. So 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 59, 65, 64, 65, 64, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67. We need to leave as many spaces in the middle as possible so that we don't get stuck later on. Yeah, I agree, spot of tea. So we're doing okay so far, I think. Just looking at the way I'm looking at a plane view. We need to find a way to get to I8 so we can go around. I8, I8, oh yeah, if we get to I8, go all the way around again, right? Boom, boom, boom, boom. So how do we get to I8? If we do this, we can get to I8 this way. We could go here, here, here, here, here, here. That takes care of I8 and then we can pop out. And then we can go boom, boom, boom. And then try to nail these guys. Remember the last game we played, this one, one of these roles gave us problems. From I8, yeah, okay, let's go for it. So we're gonna go here. We're gonna go here. We're gonna go here. So 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, and our only out from there is here, 73, 74. Okay, let me fill these out before I get lost in the stickies. 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74. Okay, what do we got now? 74, 75, 76, let's do it. I was thinking how far would we get in a game where we only go diagonal unless we can't move and then go as little horizontal and vertical moves as possible to keep going diagonal. That would be fun to do.  I'm into it. Either one of the live streams today, if we have time, I don't know if we have time. Either one of the, I don't know if we have time to fill in on the game today, but we can definitely try it tomorrow or next day. Okay, Tony? I begain for it. Or the other way around, yeah. Only go diagonally to compensate to make sure you can go horizontally and diagonal or vertically again, right? 68, where were we? 74, 75, 76, and then go around. 77, 78, let's go, 75, 76, 77, 78. Now what do we got? We only got one choice for this. 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84. We take care of that rule. Should we do? I think that'd be fun to do. 79, 80, 81, 82. Get stuck if we do that. Check this out. If we do that, we're gonna get stuck, I think. 83, 84, but then we won't have any way to go. That's not gonna work. Oh no, we could go there, what am I? Didn't see it diagonally. Looking at it this way, yeah, for sure we could. Why not? Slot it, he says, let's do it. 79, 80, 81, oh no, this one doesn't. That's right, 82, 83, 84, if we do this, we're stuck. All right, let me look at it on the map. We can't do that. We're gonna get stuck on that one, so we gotta backtrack this. 84, 83, 82, 81. So maybe we need to go from 81, we go to here, 82, gonna give us problems. This is giving us problems, right? I think maybe we should keep trying to go around the outside rather than sticky in one area. I think so too, I think that was a bad move. So I think we're gonna take it back to this one. 78, or only out from 78 is this. So here's 79, and then we go out. Does that sound good? Cause if we stick in one area, we fill up the one, too many spaces is true, Tony says true, so let's do it. So there's 80, you can go 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, and again we got stuck here. So this has gotta be our 100. That means this we gotta keep open. We gotta get into this, and into this we can get in from there or from there. So that gives us more choices. Where should we go from 80 gang? From 80, we go up, we come down, we go there, we come down, we go up, stuck from there, around the outside, anti-clockwise again. So we go this way, yeah, so 81, where's our 82? Oh, look at this, we got an 82 there. I forgot to take this guy down. Right, so 79, 80, 81, okay, let's do it. 82, 83, 85, 86, 87, D7, D7, yeah, from 81 to 82, D3. Where can we go with 83, we could go here, 83, 84. We're in a jam, definitely in a jam. I think we're in a jam. We might have spent too much time in one area. Anybody see a way out? If we go 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, eight or 88, and then we're stuck. 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, oh, that might be better. Let's take these guys down. 83, 84, hey, how do we get there? Oh man, this looks confusing. E5, G3, 83, where's 83, 83, 84, E5. And then G3, G3. So here's 85, 85, 86, 87 or 87, that's not gonna happen. 86, 87, 88, that's not gonna help us out. I see another direction we could go, Tony. We could go, where were we? 85, 86, so this would be 86, 87, 88, 90, sorry, 89, and then 90, and then that's it. That's the best we could do. I spelt it wrong too. Tony's got me. Do the numbers matter? Yeah, the numbers matter. We're doing it sequentially, right? You have to, from number 90, you gotta go to 91. You're sequentially starting with number one, and you wanna get to 100, right? So that leaves us in a jam. Let's check it out. If we take it back, we should be able to do better than 90, 87, so if we take it back, 87, 86. So from 85, what could we do? Yeah, I feel like we can do a lot better as well. But for some reason, I'm not seeing another movement. I don't know if you guys are seeing it or not. Way better than that. So if we do from here, 84, we'll go to 85, 86, 87, 88, we can get to 90 again, but it's 88, 89, now we're stuck there, but we could go here, 89, and then 90, and then we're stuck. F7, no, that only gets us to 88. Let's see, these two go together, nothing comes into that one. What comes into that one? 87 could come into that one. 87, so let's take it back to 87, and then go 88, 89, but that's it for that. So we take this back, so 87, what else we got? We got that, that, but that ends there, that, that, that, and that ends there. From there, we can't go anywhere. Those are our only choices for 87, so if we take it back to 86, what do we got? 86, we got that, it's 87, 88, 89, 87, 86, 87, 88, so we could do that. Where's Malik when you need him? Yeah, where's Malik when you need him? There was one person that was training with us last year, when he did the phenomenal, he broke it down, he showed us the four quadrant method and stuff, which was really good. So let's try this out. If we go 87, 88, 89, no, that wasn't it, 87, eight, let's do this, 87, 88, 89, 90, 87, 88, 89, 90, we get the 91, we got one more higher. Let's see, I'm just gonna put this in, I'm gonna read some comments. Maybe some people have a way out for us, let's see. So can the next number in the sequence only be placed diagonally or vertically? Yeah, only diagonally or vertically, vertically or horizontally, horizontally or vertically is three squares away, diagonally is two squares away. Let's see, H5, F3, H5, so let's find H5, H5, H5, H5, 87. So we're 87, H5 to F3, F3, F3, yeah. And then to D5, D5, yep, and then to DA, G8, yep, and then we can take G8, so that gets us to 91, yeah, that gets, thanks, I think I get it now, cool, oh God, you like Isaac, there's a, let me do a little post, send your link here. That's a block spot post I put on where I go through the rules, I wrote out the rules and I showed examples, and then a few years later I made the first video that we made where we went through this whole thing looking at the instructions, so that'll, and there's apps that people have written, both you can play on your PC or if it's still functional on an app that you can download, 91 gang, that's it, that's the best we could do, I think so. In the previous one, we got the 94, so we got the 91 right now, and based on the scoring system that we had set up last year when we did the live streams, that's not a very good score, we got the 99 on one of the streams I believe last year, which was really good, this one, this, this, these two are connected, these two are connected, these three are connected, that and that are connected with that, so there's a triple there, and a triple there, but we couldn't get to them, right? The triple would have kicked us off to 94, but we didn't have a way in, and there's animated ones as well that people have played. No, okay gang, so that's one of the games we're recording today. We'll do at least one more recording, either tomorrow or next day, or we might do two recordings of the game. We gotta do better than 91, we can definitely do better than 91, much better than 91, okay? For those watching this on the recording HD camera, thanks for being here, hope you enjoyed the live stream recording, for those live streaming, I'm sticking around, I'm gonna chat a little bit and see what else is up, okay? That's it for now, I'll see you guys in the next video.


The Dart framework suggests that there are several factors that need to be considered when deciding whether or not to implement new innovations into practice. These include demand, risk, cost, and evolving evidence. By taking these factors into account, organizations can make better decisions regarding which innovations to pursue and how quickly they should move forward with them. Additionally, by forming meaningful partnerships with stakeholders, designing innovations for D&I, and creating a learning health system, organizations can accelerate the translation of innovations into practice. This article was authored by Alex T. Ramsey, Inola K. Proctor, David A. Chambers, and others.


Welcome to this week's preview show, Coming from Vitality Stadium. BBC Radio Salon's Chris Temple is alongside me as we look ahead to another weekend in the Premier League. Here's what's coming up today. We'll go back to last weekend and discuss that three-nil defeat to Liverpool. We'll also talk about Gavin Kilkeny and his new contract that he signed this week. And finally, we'll look ahead to tomorrow's game at Stamford Bridge. Well, let's rewind the clock six days and go back to that three-nil defeat against Liverpool here at Vitality Stadium. Chris, it wasn't the scoreline that the fans would have wanted, but the first half an hour largely encouraging. I think a degree of perspective is definitely needed. Three-nil lost to Liverpool at home. If you take every other circumstance out of it, the previous run, the significant injury during the game, most teams would say that that's probably about the expected result for a team like Bournemouth at home to a team like Liverpool in the form they're in. So yes, okay, there are some exenuating circumstances, as you say. Nathan Ackay's departure after half an hour obviously had an impact on the game, not just because immediately Liverpool scored while Bournemouth was still, I guess, mentally and sort of, you know, organisationally getting themselves back together. But it had been okay up to that point. Liverpool started well. Bournemouth came back into it after about 15 minutes, started to play a bit of stuff of their own. And of course, the longer that you can keep it nil nil and the longer you can sort of string a few decent moves together, you're growing confidence, you just need a break somewhere. And unfortunately, the break came in the wrong direction in terms of Nathan Ackay limping off, which is, you know, a huge blow for the short to medium term. But in terms of that game last week, of course, once Nathan Ackay goes off and then the second one, you know, it's an absolute killer. And then from then on, it was a difficult game, hard mentally for the players to come back into it. Half of the supporters to really find too much to sort of cling on to in terms of creating an atmosphere. Any of the end, Liverpool were, you know, absolutely coasted the second half. It was, I'm not really sure they did the second gear in the second half. So, but yeah, on the face of it, that is a school line that lots of teams will fall foul of this year. And I think there's a lot of, you know, a lot of reaction because of the way the recent run has been going, you know, and it's the fifth one in a row, and everyone's sort of, you know, the doom and gloom gets a little bit lower. But I think as an isolated game, regardless of everything else, I'm not sure that that's, that's, you know, hugely beyond what could easily have been expected. And as you say, when you focus on the isolated game itself, there's no denying Liverpool are a fantastic team. There's, there's, you know, plenty of proof why they're top of the table. Salah was on form for Mino did well and they looked a classy outfit, didn't they? Yeah. And you know, you have to be, as we've said many times before, you have to be absolutely your best and hope everything goes right and hope they have an off day. And Liverpool aren't having many off days, I'm afraid at the moment. Even switching personnel around resting one or two, bringing one or two back. We didn't even see Marnay get off the bench, as we mentioned last week. He probably wouldn't, you know, and they suffered an injury problem themselves.  But when you've got the resources Liverpool have got, it doesn't seem to make too much difference. So, you know, brilliant team, best team, you know, in Europe possibly at the moment. So losing three and there is, is no disgrace. That won't be, as we've said before, that won't be the games that the season is decided on. But of course, you know, it just particularly that, I mean, the biggest sort of issue that came out of it was the Nathan Ake injury. And obviously Callum Wilson towards the end as well, but, but Ake, a lot more significant. And mentioned Ake there, he has gone for a scan that doesn't seem perhaps as bad as we all first feared when we saw him hobbling around, not able to walk. He left the ground on crutches and the scan has come back and it's not going to be too long term, is it? I mean, four to six weeks probably, which is a lot of games though. At this time of year, that is a lot of games. It's the, you know, a terrible time of year to have an injury like that for someone as key as Nathan Ake is. Let's remember he's played every Premier League games he signed here permanently. I think he's only not started one. He came on as a sub in that. You know, for the amount of physical work he gets through, the athleticism he has, you know, to be of stayed fit and to be, you know, Premier League week in week out, playing internationals as well. I know he doesn't play all the time for Holland, but training with internationals, you know, it's a huge credit to him as a player.  So when we, excuse me, when we talk about the solidity of that partnership they formed this season, now you're without both of them. So, yeah, for Nathan Ake, huge blow, but he's a positive character. You know, seeing him knocking around, he's still got a smile on his face. Of course, there's one or two newslines this week about Chelsea and the future, which Bournemouth fans wouldn't want to read probably, but in terms of the injury situation, just the latest and probably the most, you know, significant of all the injury problems they've had. And with Nathan Ake and Steve Cook out, it's a great opportunity for the likes of Chris Meppam, Jack Simpson to come in and, you know, stake a claim for their place in the team when the other two come back fit. Yeah, it's a tall order against a team like Liverpool anyway, but when you look at the back four that play in the second half last week, you know, in terms of minutes this season, Diego Rico, by far and away, the most experienced. Simon Francis only played what four or five games. Chris Meppam, I think, has played six. Jack Simpson's hardly played at all in the Premier League.  It's not the easiest job in the United States. Exactly. Just pop on and do that when he wouldn't be expecting to come on at all because centre backs are not an area that Bournemouth have had problems. So, yeah, it's a big learning curve for Meppam and Simpson. I'll be interested to see what Eddie does at Chelsea, whether he goes again with Meppam and Simpson as a partnership or whether he moves Simon Francis into centre half and brings Jack Stacey in, who's obviously had more minutes this season, you know, played away at Tottenham and has had some big game experience as well. I just wonder in this situation whether that might be sort of, you know, possibly the sort of percentage call is maybe to play for answers. And Chris Meppam, it's worth pointing out by the way, he's right footed, but at Brentford, he played mostly on the left hand side of the centre back or back three. So, moving Chris Meppam to the left of the two centre backs wouldn't be an issue. Some people prefer left footer and Jack Simpson is a left footer. So, that will be an interesting selection choice tomorrow. Absolutely. And just moving on to a bit more positive news this week. Gavin Kilkeny, he signed a new contract and from what we've seen of him, he looks at like he could be a very good player. Yeah, what a rise he's had, you know, it started the season, the other 21 scored in pre-season and suddenly, you know, due to circumstances, he's found himself in the senior squad and has absolutely taken his chance to ink himself in that squad and be a realistic option for Eddie Howell. You know, probably not this season in the Premier League, but he's played in the League Cup games against Forest Green and against Burton and, you know, he did pretty well, you know, pre-season impressed. So, and obviously he's got himself Ireland under 21 international recognition as well. So, he's one who, you know, you look at the likes of Jack Simpson, you look at Mark Travers and a couple of others who've come through the system in the last couple of years to make it into the Premier League squad.   So, yeah, Central Midfield with a couple of the Central Midfielders, you know, with the greatest respect to the likes of Andrew Sermon and not so much Dan Gosling, but, you know, in terms of ageing, the ageing process, I guess, someone like Gavin Kilkeny coming up to provide a home grown option. Yeah, really good and great news for him to get a fully deserved long term contract. And this week we've seen, you know that likes of Gavin Kilkeny out on the training ground with the first team. We've seen Jake and Anthony, Jordan, Zamora, Zeno, Ibsen, Rossi Tome, many under 21s out there training with the first team. Of course, we've got a lot of injuries, but what a great experience for them. That's only going to enhance their development. Has to, of course it has to, and you know, Eddie, again, is very clever with that hill. It doesn't want too many numbers on the training ground. He doesn't want to just throw out chances to train with the first team like Confetti. You have to be, you know, have to be up to the stand. You have to earn it. Alex Jobre, of course, as well. Christian Sadie, a couple of the names to throw in as well. And I've read a couple of things this week saying, why not give Christian Sadie a chance at the first team? He's 17 years of age. It's an absolutely massive leap to the first team. So everyone, I think everyone needs to calm down a bit about Christian Sadie. He was on the bench once at Tottenham, of course, out of circumstances because of the late, late withdrawal. So yeah, Adam Smith's illness. Yeah, exactly. So very last minute. Exactly. So he found himself on the bench by more by luck than judgment, I think. Not to say he's not a great talent. He's got a great goal here in the under 18s in middle week, of course, in the youth cup game. You know, exciting talent, absolutely. But he's not the one to throw in into the Premier League at the moment. You know, Alex Dobre probably having been out on loan is probably closer. You know, whether he needs to be on the bench this weekend. Callan Wilson is a wait and see, I think, in terms of his situation for the weekend. So yeah, but great as you to go back to your original point. Great for them. Great experience. But again, it will be carefully managed by Eddie and this situation with injuries is to say, okay, well, there are one or two little areas in the squad at the moment that we're a bit light in. So here's your chance. Absolutely. Here's your chance indeed. Now then next up for Eddie Howe's first team squad is the trip to Chelsea and the manager has been speaking in his pre-match press conference. Yeah, we're in a difficult moment of the the injury list. There's no denying that. Yeah, it was relatively good news on Nathan Scannett with these injuries. You do have to be careful. You never quite know with a hamstring whether it's fully healed or not. So we'll look at six week. Well, it depends because at one stage it looked like Adam might have to have an operation on his ankle. An operation would have meant maybe 10 to 12 weeks. Hopefully he's got away without having the operation, which halves the time. So yeah, Callum, again, I don't think it's a serious injury. So he had a felt tightness in his hamstring. Got a chance. Yeah, Josh has come through the various things that we need him to come through. Has had a great deal of time on the training pitch. But what he has done, he's done well. We still believe in the players that we have. They have to step up now and show their qualities individually. Each of them will believe they're good enough to play regularly in the Premier League. No denying their confidence levels in themselves. I've handled these situations before and I can do it again. So it's about being consistent with the players. It's about not ripping up everything that you believe in. It's about not listening to the noise around you. Getting the best out of every single player that we have here. That's probably my biggest task. And we'll be fine. Well, that was Eddie Howell speaking in this morning's press conference.  It is. I'm going to find a couple of stats for you to try and to provide some positivity. I mean, Chelsea have lost three of the last four Premier League games. You know, the Everton lost last weekend was a pretty poor one for them. Obviously lost at home to West Ham as well. Now, that's not a result that many people will have seen coming. Obviously David Martin, who played in goal for West Ham at the game of his life that day. And that's the sort of thing you need to happen. You need something like that where you nick a goal and your goalkeeper saves everything. You know, we've Aaron Ramsdell is quite capable of saving everything. So that, you know, that's the sort of result that can be thrown in that both times born with a one at Chelsea, they've had absolutely no chance of a pre match on paper. The four nil here last season was just just ridiculous, wasn't it? I mean, even now you look back at it and go to that. Did that actually happen? And you look at the team Chelsea had on paper on that night and it was an unbelievable team. I don't think anyone's all that one coming today. And that was again, it feels like an eternity ago, but it was January. And that was the last time the two teams met. So the only negative of that is that only Ryan Fraser and possibly Joshua King from that 11 are likely to start this weekend. You know, you think of the team that played that night with Borich and Klein and Stanislaus and Brooks and King were leading the attack and Gosling and Sermon were in midfield and Adam Smith, obviously, as well and Cook and Acay. So I've almost ruled the whole team off the aren't available there. But you know, Chelsea are in transition this season, they've started to find the feet a little bit. Obviously they've had their transfer window issues that they were banned from signing any players, although it's quite handy when you've got a 50 million pound player that you'd already signed, who was out on loan at Borussia Dortmund, who effectively is a new player in Christian Pulisic to come in. Obviously Kovacic, his loan was made permanent as well. So they had a couple of new years players, if you like. But you know, Frank Lumpard has given the chance to young guys. Great to see Tammy Abraham. He's been obviously getting goals in the championship for the last couple of seasons. So great to see him take his chance. And a couple of the England boys, the English players are well known to Aaron Ramstow. Excuse me. His good friends with Mason Mount. Aaron Ramstow was telling me actually today that his parents are good friends with Mason Mount's parents, but it makes him even more determined to make sure Mason Mount doesn't score tomorrow. Rhys James, of course, has been playing right back for Chelsea as well. And in midweek in the Champions League against Leal, they decided to go a little bit more sort of experienced and resolute because of the situation of needing to get through. So they bought in Giorginio, they bought in Emerson as well. So one or two and Rudy goes back from injury as well. So, yeah, they Frank Lumpard's all of a sudden got a few more options. You think of, you know, Edin Azard has always been the scourge of Bournemouth, I've got to say. So to take on a Chelsea team without Hazard in it. Certainly, I think Simon Francis will be one of those who's had a bit of a time facing Azard in recent recent season. So we'll be pretty pleased about that. If you mentioned that game against Lillan in the week, will they have had, you know, concentration on that game and less time to prepare for this game on the weekend as well? Will that be on their mind at all? Well, I mean, like anything, if you've played on a Wednesday in your opposition haven't, then of course, a lot of those players will be, you know, will have that game a little bit in their legs. And it was a tight game in the end, because obviously Lill scored and just made an interesting finale in that game as well. Chelsea's, you know, they haven't steamed. I mean, they've seen more on a couple of teams this season, particularly in the league cup. They hammered Grimsby, didn't they? But a lot of their results have been by the odd goal born with three of the last three away games. By the way, I've been decided by just one goal. So it has been tight. Of course, that we've mentioned, mentioned the Frank Lampard, Harry Wilson connection as well, because Harry Wilson was in the Derby team managed by Frank Lampard last season that got to the playoffs and lost in the finals. So Harry Wilson will know about Frank Lampard and his methods as well.  It's great for Eddie Howes, a big fan of, you know, giving young British players a chance and Frank Lampard's had to do that because of circumstances really. So, you know, there's certainly comparisons between the two in terms of the managers who are the two youngest in the Premier League, by the way, Frank Lampard's, I think, seven months younger than Eddie. So there was at last somebody younger than Eddie Howe. But yeah, Chelsea, their fans, you know, start the season. Frank Lampard's such a hero there. He gets a bit of a, I guess, a bit of a stay of execution when it's not a stay of execution, but it gets a bit more leeway when results didn't start spectacularly. But there they are sort of, you know, sandwiched between City and United at the moment through the Champions League. You know, things are going probably about as well as they could be expected to there. And, you know, as you say, he's giving these youngsters a chance, perhaps not through choice initially, but they're doing well. They've got Tammy Abraham scoring goals exactly, as you say, and, you know, they're an exciting team, aren't they? Yeah, I mean, you've got to remember, Chelsea, a few seasons ago, finished 10th. You know, in the year that Bournemouth won there in the league, they finished 10th. So, you know, Chelsea fans have had a bit of a up and down rollercoaster of the last few seasons since they won it last. Obviously, Sarri came in and, you know, didn't fare that well and has gone. And Frank Lampard now, you know, I think is a clever appointment by Chelsea as well, given the circumstances they were going to be facing that they couldn't sign any players. They were going to have to use some of the, you know, and you think of someone like Nathan Acke, if he was still in the Chelsea ranks, he would be in the first team there by now. You know, so they have so many British players. Many, many players out on loan. And now it's a chance for some of those, like Tammy Abraham, who served his apprentice away from Chelsea, has come back in, even Pulisic, you know, he learned his trade away at Dortmund, back under last season, and has come in now and absolutely hit the ground running. So, it's been great to see some of that, you know, Tamori as well, who's got himself in the England setup as well, by virtue of coming in and getting some games. So, it's great for England, you know, the England age groups are absolutely littered with Chelsea players. So, yeah, brilliant for English football. And I think Chelsea fans, you know, are patient at the moment with this sort of evolution of their club. And in terms of our team and our team news, Joshua King could be in contention, which would be a massive beast of everyone. Yeah, I think he's pretty close, which would be great. Colin Wilson is touching go maybe unavailable, so, you know, one for one there really. Obviously, Harry Wilson wasn't eligible last week, so he'll come back in, Ake out. So, as we mentioned earlier, what they do with the defensive shape, where the Jack Stacey comes in. Dan Gosling, I would just have a feeling last week Dan Gosling might get thrown in last week, just for that, bit of drive in midfield and experience. I've got a feeling again he might get thrown in tomorrow, but it didn't happen last week, so it probably won't happen tomorrow. But I think a few people are calling for someone like him who is all-action, all-energy around the pitch. And just finally, what's that school for diction? I'm going to haul out a 1-1, just because the games have been tight, you know, there's been a couple of good days at Chelsea. Maybe it could be the day to end the run. Maybe it could be. Well, if you are going up to Chelsea, then have a very safe journey. If not, make sure you listen to Chris on BBC Radio Scotland for all the updates. Bye for now.


Hello everyone, welcome to the special CUBE conversation here to talk about the big announcements, big news, big concepts and big trends happening. Cisco Live in Barcelona. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. We're here with Fabio Gori, Senior Director Cloud Solution Marketing at Cisco. Fabio, great to see you. Thanks for spending time with me to unpack all the exciting news in Barcelona. Great stuff. Thank you. Thank you for having me, John. So one of the things that's happening with Cisco we've covered, certainly we've been reporting, it's been reporting on other outlets as well, and you guys have been transforming and continuing to innovate. Cisco has transformed itself into the next level building on your successes. We've been covering that and that's been all about the clouds, it's been all about networking, going software-driven, software-powered, network operations, dev ops, the whole thing is now infiltrating into the new model. But it's clear now, and there's no debate that on-premise data centers, on-premise environments of IT service providers, the entire computing industry is connecting with the cloud. That's been kind of validated and we've been staring at that for a couple years and now everyone's starting to take action. This is a key theme here in Barcelona for you guys and we heard, you see you talk about it last year at Cisco Live in North America, that transition to cloud validated across the board. We saw Andy Jassy, the CEO of AWS actually announced an on-premise device. Hybrid cloud has been validated, so the public cloud and on-premise and now visibility into what Kubernetes has enabled with multi-cloud. This is the new normal. Describe that impact in the marketplace. What does it mean for customers? What do they do? What does this mean when now enterprises are seeing on-premise and cloud coming together? Absolutely. Well, you know, if you think about it, you got to start from the application. So if you take a step back, right, we've been talking about digitization for so long but what does that ultimately mean, right? People need to build more and more applications to digitize their business processes, their customer experience and so on and so forth. Ultimately, what we're seeing is that these applications are becoming exceptionally distributed, right, because they go where it makes sense. Whatever the data is, whatever the user is, you may have low latency needs, you may have actually just, you know, the right needs to go all the way to the cloud. In reality, you have a mix of these kind of needs but workloads are distributed and people want to harness this multi-cloud world and that's what we're seeing. I love these shifts, it's kind of like that. People have been living on two sides of the street, you know, old way and new way. It's clear that the migration to this new model cloud is the new way and that's been validated again. So you've got the old way and new way. Describe in your mind the old way and the new way from Cisco because if you look at the history of Cisco, the dominance and the success it had and recently had an opportunity to interview John Chambers at his house and he talked about that dynamic of how Cisco is so dominant, the culture and going to the next level. The data center, you guys have great success, networking, edge, this is new, your core business but that's still relevant with the cloud in the new way. So talk about what's changed, old way, new way for Cisco. I'll give you a try. So fundamentally, if you remember where we're coming from, we are coming from an era where we've been seeing infrastructure kind of dictating application requirements through the other way around as well but you had an application you will buy specific hardware, networking and everything else including firewalls for a specific infrastructure, right? So that era actually is not going away, is there because it's built an immense amount of legacy that you cannot all of a sudden throw away. However, the new world is a world where you see applications fundamentally going pretty much across multiple type of domains, not just the data center domain anymore but here comes the cloud. We have a lot of applications that are going to the edge. If you have a branch office, right? You may want to take your application over there because it's simpler, it's sometimes it's more economic, you don't need to move all the data and still you can have those applications collaborating with your data center, with your cloud. So what you're now seeing is a completely different world where applications want the infrastructure to be programmable and easy accessible and still extremely secure. That's interesting. The old way was you dictate applications you can only do as much as the network and the infrastructure will let you to do. And then now as infrastructure becomes more abundant, data tsunamis happen, certainly a lot of data is coming in. So that's why the storage industry never is dying, it's always growing. Storage industry has always grown, servers has always need for compute but as there's more abundance in that, it almost is a limitless opportunity for applications. So it's not a kill the old and bring in the new, it's more of a foundational, old is now foundational. It is literally next level things. So Kubernetes, service meshes, these programmable policy based abstractions are showing the way and that's a network construct. Policy is a network construct. So the first time we're seeing is the coming together of the app market with infrastructure. Absolutely. And if you think about it, even a step before the apps, people have, when they build application they have a business intent, right? Let's make an example. You take a healthcare application, right? You want in an hospital, you want the doctors to be able to access the full extent of the data of a customer record, for instance. You may not want the nurses doing the same thing or for instance, you don't want the nurses and the doctors to get access to the financial system of that hospital. So this is actually a business intent that given application will have to respect. Well, the infrastructure can and has to cope with this kind of requirements by delivering the appropriate kind of segmentation, right? So that you'll be able to ensure that what the application wants to do the infrastructure delivers. What has changed in the on-premise and cloud world in your mind? Because to have that kind of coordination and you guys have announced here some great announcements around seamless end to end as a theme we're seeing. You're seeing hyper convergence anywhere. You're seeing application-centric infrastructure concepts everywhere. But when you actually go into the hood and look at how complex it is, it's almost magical in the sense that it's going on. I know it's hard work and people who know networking know it's hard. What are the innovations? What's enabling that? What is the key driver that's making you guys connect an on-premise data, complex data center environment that has now edges, private networks, hybrid, private cloud, IoT edge, enterprise edge, campuses, the old stuff, now with cloud. What are the key linchpins? What's the technique? I'm going to take on one of the words that you use, complexity. People are looking for the opposite of complexity. People are looking for simplicity. Easy to say, more difficult to do. But what sits between complexity and turning it into a more simple kind of architecture is automation. So what you have to have is fundamentally an infrastructure that becomes automated, programmable that takes the business intent or the application intent as an input and actually with a closed loop system, fundamentally monitors and gives you the assurance, okay? The implementation and the assurance that actually what you want to do gets delivered by the infrastructure. And this has to be literally an holistic and cross-domain kind of architecture. What do I mean with cross-domain? You're going out of the data center. You're going out to the edge. You're now going to the cloud. This should be seen as a cohesive, almost fluid environment where you can actually push your policy, your security models, right? And transforming this highly fragmented architecture into a set of domains or a multi-domain architecture that you can control, that you can automate as if it was all yours, so to speak. Even though in the cloud, for instance, you're going into a domain that you don't control and went. So big concept here being discussed in Barcelona is multi-domain, using that. Explain that a little bit and then take that to where cloud integration comes in because the other thread that we're seeing here is multi-cloud. So multi-domain, multi-cloud, the same, are they different? What's the nuanced points there? Yeah, again, the critical point is, let's think applications. Applications want to go and it's convenient to go into multiple domains, right? Depending on what you want to do. You want to access cloud innovation from wherever it comes from. So that's why we have a multi-cloud world. The data center is still there. It's critically important. You have a lot of applications, databases that are still there. And now we're seeing the big new shiny object, which is more and more, so-called RoboRemo office branch office applications where, for instance, IDC believes that 30% of applications are going to be deployed into this kind of environments. So your problem is now connecting all of this together, right? And because the applications are going anywhere, our data center strategy is that the data center needs to follow the applications and support them wherever they go. So it's a data center anywhere kind of strategy. The data center has to flex and provide that be ready for anything, basically, from applications, what you're getting at. And all the plumbing and all the intelligence underneath it have to be reactive to what the application wants. Absolutely. The application doesn't have to get into the provisioning or any kind of policy because that's the infrastructure as code, DevOps point. Is that kind of good? Absolutely. The application has an intent, right? There's also application policy, et cetera, but it needs to be translated into infrastructure policy. We've been talking about it a minute ago when we were doing the healthcare kind of example, right? Well, we've been super excited and we're collaborating with you guys on Kubernetes. We have a special section on SiliconANGLE called the Kubernetes Special Report. That's evolving into multi-cloud special reports for the folks watching siliconangle.com. Check out the multi-cloud special report that should be up by now. It was the Kubernetes, but a ton of interest was seeing startups coming out of the Kubernetes. You're seeing cloud-native world, CNCF and Linux Foundation promoting tons of great ecosystem development. Pulling together those developers want more infrastructure. And so that, and they don't want to deal with it, right? So this is where the cloud strategy has been paying off for you guys. You guys have done deals with Google, Azure, AWS, SAP, Red Hat, among others. You guys are well poised for this. Talk about cloud center.  Cloud center suite, a new capabilities. Talk about the impact of cloud and cloud center. So let me take a step back if you want and tell you a little bit more about what we're announcing here, right? Because it's a pretty big announcement. I mentioned data center anywhere. What does it mean, right? Well, of course, our data center portfolio is centered around two big components. The first one is networking, right? Particular application-centric infrastructure, ACI, based on the Nexus 9K kind of architecture. And the second one is our computing portfolio. Particularly, you know, the hyper-converge infrastructure Cisco HyperFlex. That's of course, you know, an extremely efficient way of condensing, you know, what you need to make it very flexible in your application implementation. Well, we have two major news here, right? In these two areas. And the third is absolutely what you were asking for, which is cloud center. So with ACI, and it's interesting because they're going into two, if you want, different directions when it comes to this multi-cloud domain. ACI was already virtualized in the previous releases. Let me explain what ACI is real quick. Oh, sorry. Application-centric infrastructure is fundamentally Cisco intent-based networking for the data center, okay? It gives you programmability of the infrastructure. It gives you segmentation. It gives you security and a high degree of automation. It's the key under the hood kind of capabilities. Just make sure you forget that. Okay, continue. So ACI. In the previous, if you want developments, releases of ACI, what we've been doing was to aggressively virtualize ACI, right? So that you will have constructs like virtual posts and virtual leaves to, for instance, scale your data center implementation to the edge. Now, where we're going with this new announcement is exactly on the other side, which is we're extending ACI to the cloud, to Azure and AWS. So that the construct that you have typically on-prem under your control, such as tenants, EPGs and things of this nature, will be translated into the equivalent construct in AWS. Whether it's VPCs or security groups and the likes, the two things end up fundamentally corresponding. So now we have one construct that extends from the edge to the data center, to the cloud. That's a pretty big deal. And what does that mean to the customer? Just give an example. It means a high degree of automation, security and control on the resources, right? So that you can impose one policy of propagates all across the board. One way of monitoring the data center flows and discovering, for instance, if you have any kind of security threat, monitoring application performance thanks to the integration with the app. So this fully checks the hybrid cloud box. So if I say, hey, if you want a hybrid deployment, this checks the box saying, I can operate in say Amazon or whatever cloud and on-premises in the data center with ACI, both places without changing any code. Is it seamless? What's the catch? Well, ACI is going to come with a specific software. This is all software, that's the beauty of it, right? It's in line with the transformation of the company that you were referring to. It's all software and it goes into AWS and it uses, of course, all the APIs to connect to the AWS resources that you're acquiring from AWS, right? So that's one big bucket of news. The second bucket of news is HyperFlex, that's actually heading to the edge because what we're seeing is more and more applications that have components of the application itself or even entire applications that are going into remote office, branch offices, and the reason are many, right? It could be cost-reason, it could be data gravity reason, it could be just low latency reason, right? We all know that, you know, to go back and forth from the cloud is not always convenient, as well as if you lose the connectivity, your branch is dead, right? So you have to have business continuity in all of this and so it doesn't mean that you don't want the cloud, you want a collaboration across this, again, fluid sort of infrastructure. So HyperFlex come with a very efficient kind of form factor over there now. It's HyperFlex Edge and its control ability of this is that because you have many remote offices and branch offices is controlled from the cloud that Cisco inter-side, which is, of course, our console and cloud system to manage all these handpoints, not just HyperFlex, but also UCS. So when you think of this, now you understand what do we mean with the center anywhere because we're taking both our networking and our computing platforms anywhere the application needs them, right? And the third component, which actually is where your question started from is application lifecycle management in this kind of infrastructure becomes even more of a problem, right? It is extremely complicated now to have applications in multiple clouds and then in your data center and in the Edge in all these different kind of places. So what we've done with Cloud Center, which is our flagship cloud management and orchestration system is two big things. First, we have expanded the functionalities by adding new modules, especially the cost optimizer that helps operations team. This is Cloud Center Suite now. You're exactly right. Thank you for that. It's the Cloud Center Suite and I'll explain you in a moment why we move the branding slightly from Cloud Center to Cloud Center Suite because we highly modularize the software and make it and made it really much more easy to consume. I'll go there in a moment. But going back to what is new, first of all, it's cost optimizer, right? That's brand new and it helps operations team to resize the workload to pick up the best instances in the cloud that you're using to actually minimize your investment or reach your goal of performance and cost, right? That's one big thing. The second one is that we are adding a very smart so-called action orchestrator which is a workflow manager that helps you automating the connection of your cloud management system to all the other systems, right? Some of these plugins and integrations come out of box, particularly with a higher level tiers of licensing such as with ServiceNow, for instance, or we give you already built-in integration with Cisco InterSide or UCS Director which is the infrastructure manager for Cisco infrastructure. But you can use the kind of platform and module to build your own integrations with the other systems. That's very important because the cloud management system doesn't exist in isolation, right? It needs to integrate with all the other IT management solution that you have on-prem. And that's one big thing. The second big thing, as you said before when you said about the suite, is the fact that because we have written all of this new software in Kubernetes, right? This is highly scalable, highly portable. So now we can give you different tiers of licenses. You can start very small, as small as around $50,000, right? For subscription service. And you can actually buy this subscription on-prem or that's big news. You can buy any software as a service. So Cloud Center is now a SaaS offering. Yes. Available when? It's going to be, so all the subscription news, the new software is going to be available literally next month, in a few days for now, right? In February. And the SaaS version is going to be available in North America in March. So right away. For Europe, of course, due to the GDPR implementation, our customers will have to wait until the summer, but it's quite- So pretty immediate in GDPR, a little bit of extra work done. Okay, so bottom line me on the Cloud Center suite. What is the purpose? Is it to be the high level management suite? How is it connecting into other systems? So if I'm all these different management tools out there when Cisco and others is it connecting into, am I connecting up? Can you just explain quickly, the purpose of it and how it works? So really the goal of Cloud Center is to do three things. The first one is it wants to simplify Cloud Management and how it does it, right? One of the key patterns that we acquire together with Clicker, right? Clicker Cloud Center, when we brought them in more than two years ago, was the really unique way that they have to model applications, right? The way that people are managing Cloud Management and orchestration is still extremely manual. I mean, many customers are still kind of doing scripting. We have cases of customers that are scripting like 1200 lines of codes just to upload a piece of software onto the Cloud. We think the approach should be different, right? The approach should be, you should be able to model that application, your application, model it once. And then thanks to Cloud APIs, we have 16 different APIs in the Cloud integrations with AWS, Azure, Google, you name it, right? IBM and the likes, we realize of course some prems for private Cloud. Once you model your application, you can use any of these other Clouds as a target for implementation, okay? That allows you to have a very, very effective Cloud Management solution because you don't risk to make mistakes. You leave the tool. So you said it's written in Kubernetes? Absolutely, we script all of this now, we program all this in Kubernetes. So you may tell us, hey, you're walking the talk. Yeah, exactly. We're absolutely doing that. And that's how actually we can do it on-prem in a Kubernetes infrastructure. By the way, if you need one, we have the Cisco Cloud Center platform, Hyperflex underneath to do it. Or you can buy from the Cloud because we're uploading all of that to the Cloud. You guys have done a good job at Kubernetes, just as a side note, you guys done the work just doing the Cloud integrations. I think what's interesting about Kubernetes is unlike other trends I've seen in some of these open source projects, some hype comes up and then it kind of drops off or it gets hyped up and it's too hard to roll out or use. It costs too much. And so people actually using Kubernetes for not just standing it up, they're actually pulling it for a purpose. So congratulations on that. I think it's a real accomplishment. Thank you for that. No, we're a big believer into this. So simplifying really multi-Cloud management is one big thing. Reducing time to value is another big thing because with the integrations and the ability, you know, to integrate with the other tools, you can put it in production very, very quickly. And then it's incredibly easy to consume. You can start small and grow up. So I did a little checklist here.  And then I'm going to ask you a question around what all this means to your customer base because obviously the world's changing. We've done a lot of kind of, you know, surveys and interactions with a lot of network guys to kind of feel out how the market's going. But I want to get your reaction. So interesting thing, you guys have a, this builder model, very similar to Amazon, you know, toolkits for cloud builders. You guys are really investing heavily in it. So security, you got StealthWatch, Tetration Analytics, you got AppDynamics, and Tetration as well. Data Center, HyperFlex, UCS Nexus, Check, CloudApps, WebEx, I don't know what else is in there. There's also CloudApps, CloudNativeApps which you're connecting into.  So you guys are building quite the portfolio on here. So given that you guys have that security to networking kind of end to end with the application-centric infrastructure kind of expanding and intent-based networking combined with cloud, seems to be kind of the end-to-end is the theme. It really is. It's again, end-to-end and across multiple domains because that's the thing that doesn't come across with end-to-end is the fact that you need to cross different domains that are exceptionally different from each other. And so having consistent policies and a single security model, having one mean of networking and security in all of this in a containerized world which is where we're progressively going, that's everything. And it's not me saying it but if you look at the CNCF surveys they'll tell you the securing and working containers is one of the toughest things. So I got to ask you the tough question. Totally makes sense. You got my buy-in on it. I totally believe in the vision. Making it work, making it smart and making it scale are the three kind of things I'm looking at. Give us your take on how you guys are looking at those three kind of checkpoints. You got to get this up and running so one, make it work end-to-end, multiple domains. Make it intelligent, that's data, smarter automation kicks in and now see scaling it up with all the checkbox security and everything else. So take us through the strategy and what you guys are thinking there and the impact with that in mind to the person on the other side, your customer, the buyer and customer Cisco to manage it, that's a big sea change. And the benefits are pretty lucrative on the other side if you can pull this off. Yeah, yeah. Take us through that. I can touch upon three big aspects. First of all, we've been talking about architectures but architectures doesn't mean that you shouldn't have best-of-breed products, right? It starts from there. Those are the atomic components of any strategy, right? You got to have best-of-breed products. Now these products need to integrate into an architecture that solves through business problems such as the intent-based architecture that we've been talking about. The third aspect is actually how you help customers to be successful. And I would love to call out our partner strategy, right? Which for, I would say for as long as 30 years has been Cisco's critical differentiator. And I think this is an enormous asset, especially when you look at the number one problem in IT out there, which is no Kubernetes and it's no cloud, it's actually lack of talent. People don't have the skillset and the talent. So relying on an ecosystem that helps you expanding what you need because you don't have it inside. It's fundamentally important. That puts a lot of pressure on you guys. Absolutely, but this is a critical asset and we're doing a lot of investments also on the customer experience side of the house with our leader, Mario Martinez. That's taking actually this customer experience sort of approach to the next level. More and more, it's about this architecture is also being cloud attached. So you heard me talking about inter-site. It doesn't come by chance, right? The more you can rely on this kind of architecture, the more you can harvest analytics. You can do cross correlation across multiple networks and domains and figure out what is going wrong. That's something that providers of pinpoint products just cannot even dream of delivery. As final question for you, first of all, thanks for spending the time and chatting and Cuba's going to be rolling out a lot of content and we're going to be following what's going on on year end too. Really like Cisco's vibe. You guys have been transparent and collaborating. Appreciate the working with you guys. Final question, if someone's watching this, I'm a Cisco customer. We've been talking about the network guy. We've talked about surveying some enterprises where the networks, they've done the heavy lifting that's been part of the computing industry. Networking compute, they've been running the show and really have moved the needle. Campus networking, the list goes on and on, but now that foundation set will go into a whole other level. It's almost like a sea change on the personality side of the persona of the people who've built it out and now have to build the next generation. Am I relevant? Am I going to be the mainframe guy? Am I going to be leading the charge or am I going to be left behind? There's a lot of cognitive dissonance around decisions. Should I go here, should I go there, architecture? So there's a lot of psychology and also decision making that's going to be determined by your core audience. That person out there is your target audience. They're thinking about these things because they want to do well and they don't want to be left behind. What do you say to that audience about Cisco now? The opportunity for them personally, their ability to grow their skill gaps or have an impact to being a key change agent for this next generation. What do you say to that person out there about Cisco and the opportunity for them? It's a very big question. I will split the question into parts. First of all, what is your advice to IT professionals? How can they not just survive but thrive and be the heroes of this transition? And it's pretty simple actually. You have to understand what your business wants. We've been talking about how do you close this gap between infrastructure and application but in other terms it's covering the gap between what you do and what the business wants. You've got to understand that. So that's number one. Second part of the question is, okay, considering this, is Cisco the right partner for me? And the answer, of course, from a Cisco standpoint, is absolutely yes because our entire company strategy is wrapped around this concept of intent-based architecture where our goal is to map the business intent into the infrastructure underneath and that's exactly your core business, Mr. IT professional, right? So I see this as a marriage in heaven in terms of where I see really the talent need for IT going and IT professionals and where the company is going. If we're right and I think we are, this is going to be a great ride and not a threatening one. I think everything's lining up and getting clear visibility into what the role of cloud is, the scale piece, the economics are just undeniable and that the role of technologists now are super important. There's no jobs really going away, they're shifting. This is the reality. This is kind of what the exciting opportunity. It is, but again, it's about bringing IT very close to the business. In the end, I believe it's just going to be continuity between what we call today line of business and IT. It's just a company that wants to win in the marketplace, wants to get faster, efficient, usual kind of terminology, but this gap is going to go away. Fabio, thank you for taking the time to share this conversation. I'm John Furrier, this is theCUBE Conversation here at Barcelona Live, this is Cisco Live Europe. Back to theCUBE coverage, go to thecube.net to check out all the live coverage and CUBE interviews in Barcelona. I'm here with Fabio Gore, Senior Director Cloud Solutions Marketing at Cisco. I'm John Furrier with theCUBE. Thanks for watching.


So let's talk about these models that have the cat eye as they say. Always remember, when the lateral canvas is higher than the medial, it's more appealing to the eye. It gives a more sexier look. If they're down lower, it just doesn't look nice. So we're used to seeing them a little bit higher. The more angulated they are, they look exotic. So there's two ways about growing things. There's a canthoplasty and a canthopexy. Canthoplasty is a bigger surgery where they cut a little bit of the eyelid and lift it up. Canthopexy just puts a little suture on the lateral tendon and hooks it up on the orbital rim. So be careful. You can do it. It's nice.