Our next speaker of this afternoon is Travis Holland with MHA Energy. We've worked there for a number of years. We've worked together on a number of different things over the years and it's here to share some of his insights in working in the pipeline industry there. I'm going to be changing. So now, go to Travis. All right. We got some Dickinson State students. Maybe not. Maybe not. Okay, there's a few. So my mom, when I was a kid, that's where my dad met my mom was at Dickinson State. And he thought I was pretty cool because the first words I said to him was like, Forrest, I'll fight you. So, but I've kind of kept that mentality, but my mom, she's sort of a legend in the tribal sector. Dickinson State has their, I don't know what they call it, Ring of Honor or something, you know, like their Hall of Fame. When the insurrectionists were at Nancy Pelosi's desk, and I'm kind of an anarchist. I like chaos sometimes. I make fun of Trump. I make fun of Biden. I voted for Morgan Freeman. So the guys like this at Pelosi's desk, and I'm laughing. And then somebody pointed out the folder next to his feet had my mom's name on it. Alice Spotted Bear. Because one of the few things Congress did do unanimously was pass a Native American childcare bill in her name. So I thought that was pretty cool because they can't be unified in anything, but they did do that with her. And with that said, she said I should always start a meeting with a joke.  So I made up a moderate one today. This is me. So I discovered this year that Mother Nature is going through menopause because she's been having hot flashes every month. So I wrote in December on my motorcycle. I wrote in January on my motorcycle. I wrote yesterday on my motorcycle. You know, yesterday, 55 out. I'm cruising today, 18 below zero. So I guess what we're going on to is this. My other joke is if you don't think he looks good, move to the back of the room. I look better at a distance. But I worked at Dakota Gasification for about 30 years. And I had a wealth of experience, not by choice, just getting moved around. And in 2014, when the buck and boom came into play, the state, the tribe, we were being overwhelmed with pipeline releases. In a large part due to this product right here, this is made out of fiberglass. And industry, once they built something, you know, they built it cheaper because they're trying to save money. They try to salvage it and they make excuses and well, we'll do this, we'll do that. It's never going to happen anywhere else. And it kept happening. So I also did another presentation, the same presentation basically, but I changed the terminology. I called it, what are the odds a million to none? So when the tribe allowed me to come in and regulate this, they sort of recruited or recruited me for this. We took 1.3 million gallons filled down to zero. And we've maintained that. So I've had conversations with the head of PHMSA, Alan Mayberry. At that time, they weren't regulating gathering lines. They said it can't be done. I said, I've done it. And I said, if I can do it, you can do it. But the problem was then and we get back into politics. With our tribe, we don't have Republicans. We don't have Democrats. We've got seven people looking after the interest of 17,000 people. So when I come up with an answer for better quality to our thinking is we don't want to remediate. We want to prevent. So when I come up with these standards, they support me. And it's really blown my mind, you know, as to how well we've succeeded in this. The problem I have right now. Most of you are way too young to remember this, but they used to be commercial with the Maytag repairman. He just had nothing to do. And once we got to that point from spills, spills, spills, spills, the tranquility. Now it gets a little difficult. So I got to come and speak to justify my job. But yeah, so we had a lot of interesting things happen. Like I said, first few years were insane. We can go to the next one. Now I can't even see that. So we'll go to this next question here as well. I'm not anti pipeline. I'm responsible pipeline. So when I was in the other job. You know, I wanted it built responsibly, but I wanted it built.  I simply demand that they be built responsibly. Because when the dapple issue is going on, I was jokingly so with tribal people.  I jokingly called myself the dapple apple because that was the one native that was supporting dapple. And it was because not because of human rights violations. I'll never agree to that. But the fact that I knew it was going to save lives. And in a five year span after it was put in play, the stats show it within Fort Berthold and the neighboring Bakken counties. It's saved 20 lives a year, 100 lives saved. Nobody talks about it, but you need responsible infrastructure. And a lot of you, if you're in that area, you'll see it. You know, those trucks are no longer overwhelming. You know, it's moderation and we can live with that, but we couldn't live with it before everybody I knew cried. You know, we all lost somebody we loved. I had friends who lost their kids in car accidents. It was just insane. We were crying all the time. And the change it's made by having proper infrastructure is night and day. But again, the key is responsible prudent pipelines. So you also have to be prepared for incidents afterwards. And that was one of the things that was amazing when you'd see those emergency responders before. Through the trial and error of having to deal with incidents, they became exceptional. So we had some of the best emergency responders in the nation. I was a very good emergency responder. That's what I used to do. And mostly is because I kept calm during emergencies. I'd see other people. I was an EMT for 23 years. Industrial firefighter 25 has met instructor. But when I saw those guys work as a cohesive unit, it was amazing. I'm glad I don't have to see it anymore. But when I witnessed it, you know, that Wafford City area, Mandarine, Newtown, those guys were amazing as to how smooth they were. But that leads this to preparation, even though you don't know what's going to happen. When you do training, a lot of times people do it and they're doing it with the perspective that everything's going according to plans. When something goes wrong, chaos takes over and you have to be a little more. That's why I didn't prepare for the speech. I had no clue. So I was like, well, I'll get up there. I've worked 40 years in this. I should be able to talk for 40 minutes, you know, just just one minute a year. That's all I need. And I'm still only 49, just so you guys know that. So you want to establish responsible regulations to prevent occurrences under article three of our tribal constitution. We have the right to set our own safety standards, especially when they're not being met at other levels. And that's how we did this. And like I said, the support of the council, you know, backing me and what I wanted and I wanted pipelines again, I just wanted to build well. And they always tell you, no, oh, we can't do that. We can't do that until you tell them no. And it's like, yeah, we can do that. So let's go ahead and go to the next one. This is what I was telling you about. So when we didn't have pipelines, when we didn't have dapple, this happened far, far too often. So you had, I think, two cars, four people severely injured in this. It might have been fatalities. There was at least two helicopters coming in there. But the way those guys work together, those emergency responders was just absolutely amazing. And 25 years of dealing with that stuff, I never saw a better execution. And I was really proud of those guys and I'm glad I don't have to see that stuff anymore. Okay, we can go to the next one. So I'll get you back into my starting point. One of the things we insisted on, in addition to having the right pipe material, is having leak detection. And I think one of the landowners talked about it, you know, most people didn't know, even though they're in positions of authority, they didn't know the industry, they didn't know the ins and outs and the technicalities. Even my engineer, he's a 30 year senior engineer. He never worked with this stuff. He knew of it, but he didn't understand it completely when it came to detection. So the very first meeting I sat down on in this position, and it was a group that had a huge spill, and you had higher ups from EPA, the BIA, other agencies. And I asked a very simple question. I said, why didn't you have leak detection? And they said, you can't have leak detection with liquids, only gases because they're compressible. And I said, you know, that's not true. I said, that technology was available 30 years ago when I started. I guarantee you, you have access to that today. And then they go, yeah, that's true. And all these head haunches started looking at each other like they're lying to us. And then they went on to the next one, and they tried to say pressure differential system was a leak detection system. I said, no, it's not. It's for measuring dirty socks, greens and filters. You could have used it as such if you'd engaged upstream and downstream and realize it was tripping off a zero back pressure. And they once again admitted, you know, I was telling the truth. And at that point in time, I always tell my kids, don't worry about what you want to be when you grow up. I never knew what I wanted to be until I was 50. And at that point in time, I knew exactly what I wanted to be because it was so easy because other people didn't understand it. And they really couldn't be asked me like they were getting away with with other people. So when I get to this thing, another situation was they would try to mislead and they said they had a WinCoo system for SCADA. And SCADA is basically telling you instantaneously when something goes wrong and if you have an issue. And I said a WinCoo system is not a SCADA system. It's a recording system, a 24 hour recording system. So after 24 hours, you know, you're missing a million gallons. That's too late. You know, you have to be instantaneous on responses, keep the releases to a bare minimum. And one of the issues we also had was power. You know, and that's why they would say they didn't have that. So we came up with the requirement for windmill with solar powered, you know, backup. So they would have power to run their SCADA systems no matter how remote. And this is another one with chaos. So it is 25 below zero. That's a produce water sign. And that's open water right in the produce water sign. So that's an absolute, there's no doubt whatsoever that is a produce waterspill. But we go through the routine and, you know, we sampled it, sent it off. The group was really good. They reported it themselves, even though their system didn't show any problems. They shut their system in. We had an old school field, you know, inspector and yeah, that's salt water. That's salt water. So we sent the sample in. It comes back is that was basically salinity from an agricultural field, aka cow urine. So I don't recommend testing, you know, salt water like that. And it ended up being a natural spring. But because the right away is disturbed soil, that's always going to be the weakest length. So when it, you know, permeated underneath the frozen ground, that was the easiest spot and it popped up right there. But I mean, nobody, not one of us thought anything other than an absolute produce waterspill, but you just never know. So you need to verify the next one. So here's another one. We have a pipeline on this bridge and everybody said nothing can happen with a pipeline on the bridge. Nothing can do any damage. And I always said any above ground structure, you there's a risk associated with it. I said it could be a tornado. So this is after fishing tournament. I think I was leading it on big fish, maybe at the time I can't remember. But also the tornado comes in. You know, is this a tailwinds, but one person craft themselves, I guarantee you because they were crossing the bridge with their, you know, one ton truck. Had a camper and then a boat on the back side. The camper actually got blown halfway off the bridge, but the boat and the pickup anchored it. So the whole thing didn't go off.  But that's actually happened twice now. The second time a friend mind was on the bridge and his pickup was lifting and it was snapping off the light poles on the bridge. And that group again most of these pipeline groups have been really good to work with not all, but most of them have been very good to work with. And I told them about it and they inspected their support structures to make sure the integrity and everything was good on that. And it turned out to be okay but what we did. And where we've stood on this is HDD boring. So we don't want anything crossing over the lake. We don't want anything trenched into the lake. HDD boring came about in 2008. And there's never been a case of an HDD bore failure into a water source. When they build it, sometimes they can frack out and they can miss it. But you're talking bent night, same material clay base they use in drinking water systems. Aesthetically, it's not good, but it's not doing harmful damage to the environment. So what we've been pushing for, and this is where I've successfully opposed pipelines in the past, you've got obsolete pipelines upstream of us. We have inherent water rights with our reservation from when they flooded it. So we have water rights downstream within our boundaries and upstream. And I've pushed and the tribes supported me on this, that everything needs to be bored under the lake. We do not want trenching anymore. So there's pipelines coming up for renewal. The life expectancy was 50 years. And those most of them are renewed already in 2000 and more, you know, around that timeline they came up. They're coming up again now. So they're already 25 years past their life expectancy and they're asking for another 25 years. So you're talking something at the end of it, it's going to be 50 years past this life expectancy. And we're saying, no, the technology is there now, build it correctly. That's the way the dapple is, the dapple's HDD board. You'd have to frack that hundred foot of soil to create a pathway for a two-league. So what it would do if there ever was a bizarre incident, it would follow the bore path out. And the way our terrain is where it enters is higher. So if there was a leak, it'd actually flow away from the lake. It would flow into soil. So it's a safest means and it's one of the things I love about my job because I don't work for the federal government. I don't work for the state. I've got a great relationship with the Corps of Engineers because they know I'm unbiased. I just want to build well and then I'm approving of it, but I'm going to oppose anything that I don't feel is safe. So when we get out and there's pipeline groups that want to build and I've dealt with five of them. There's a group called Michaels that's done the boring and they've done exceptionally well and they're a very good company to deal with. And I can tell these groups that I want your pipeline to be bigger so you have more space down the road if you need it. You have lower operating pressure, you're not redlining it. And I want it bored underneath and I want you to use Michaels because we have an inherent trust with Michaels. We've seen the quality of their work over and over and over again and it is A plus.  I'm basically, you know, just somebody giving my perspective on what I feel would be the prudent way to develop and almost every time they've gone with it. And so I've been really pleased that I not only get to protect our reservation, but I get to protect everything upstream because we're all in this together. I mean it doesn't do me any good if there's a release up on the Wilson side, that's still my lake, that's our lake. And so industry for the most part has been very, very good about that. The problem right now and I'll get one and once I get one I'll get the others is to get those obsolete old pipelines when they come up for renewal to be built correctly. You know, not the whole thing. So when you have a petronium spill that crude oil has got a lot of minerals in it and once you get your hydrocarbons down below 100 ppm, these farmers and ranchers want this because it's enriched soil. You can see that the crude spills because the vegetation is a plush nice green versus produce water spills where you're killing that soil for generations. But you've got to keep it on the land if that goes in the water, it's the opposite perspective, you know, so we insist on that crossing being bored. And then we're not going to impose it, you know, we like said we welcome the safe transport North Dakota needs it we need it, but it's got to be done prudently on the next one. Here goes training again. This is one of the water training exercises. It was very realistic because we had a dead fish float to the surface when we did this so it made it nice.  So you're not being overwhelmed when a real incident occurs. And it's always good that these groups are getting better and better than that when I go out there and we have these drills. They learn about our water undertake. So because of situations like this, we've modified their plans and said, if this happens in the summertime, we'll send a spotter out, look for an oil sheen on the water. If we see that occurrence, then we shut off our water intake. And so we don't, you know, contaminate our water systems. So a lot of good comes out with trainings and you can't be complacent. You need to keep up on the trainings and add a little difficulty. You can't make your trainings too easy because an incident is never easy. Let's go ahead and go to the next one. So this is a different scenario. We had erosion issues. So this is in the Badlands. And it was a pinch point and it was a watershed area. So normally, you know, it looked okay, but it was burying the weight of a transmission line from probably me to him. And when it was saturated, there was nothing underneath the pipeline. So it was operating as a bridge supporting six feet of soil. And we told them, you know, you have to fix this. But the group went, listen to me. And I told Vimsa, I said, you have to make them fix this. And Vimsa is like, well, we can't do it unless they report it as a problem themselves. So it's the case of the Fox Garden, the hen house, you know, unless the Fox says he has a problem eating too much chickens, he's not going to say nothing. But when I partnered with the core, we went together on this and they got on it and they've been great since then. So what used to be clay washed out a really difficult area, they've actually gone in multiple times. They put down meshing and different material and, you know, expiation made it worth a very safe area now. And that's what you got to do. Sometimes you can't give up because other groups aren't doing it. So if you see an issue, you just got to keep pushing, you know, don't settle for no. We can go to the next one. That is, oh, this is where I get into my rambling. Kill that teleprompter. So another one of the issues we're having right now is like I said, we changed out the fiberglass pipe, you know, that was predominantly produced water. We came up with a coated steel pipe requirement. This flex steel, this stuff is really, really durable and it's helped us get to zero. And the other equivalent of it is a shock or has a flex pipe, which is like a cable woven inside or braided. It's like a braided cable inside of this. You've got poly, you've got steel, and then you got the outer protection layer. No problems with this, no spills. Essentially nothing with this other than it was a faulty install. And that's hardly the problem with the bocking is that when they put it in the group installing it didn't meter it correctly.  They just just kept cranking on it and they stretched it out and ruined the pipe. That was just one small thing. It wasn't a big incident. What we're dealing with now, and this is kind of going to our NDSU team. We have an issue with poly pipe. They use this in natural gas collection. And one of the group has had, I can't even count, it's too many releases. And that's been another problem of mine is, you know, I'm not an engineer. Most of these groups have teams of engineers, but I'm the one who figures out their problem for them. In this case, when we went to inspect it, I told them, I said, what's happening? Because they couldn't understand why they weren't having a problem in 2019, but going into 2020 and 21, they were having all these releases. And it was determined that it was arcing through the pipe is building up standing static electricity and arcing. And I said, the reason being is in 2019, it was a tremendous hydraulic hydrology year. We were having saturation everywhere, which was causing pipeline issues because the soil was so saturated, it would slide. And 2020 was like the driest year in 125 years. And so I explained to them what's going on is with no water saturation around the pipe, it's arcing through. Essentially, when there was enough water in the ground, it was, you know, it was grounding it and preventing it. And so, you know, that's one of the groups we're dealing with now. And they always say the same thing, oh, it only happens here, but you talk to the next group, they're having the problem. The next group, they're having the problem. But a lot of times it's not reportable because they look at natural gas as not being a medium reportable, reportable quantity. But we have zero emissions, our standards are 100% stays in the pipe, so we don't accept it. And that's one of the things we're trying to change, essentially get everything to go to seal. We don't have problems with the trunk lines, all these groups that have these polys and fiberglass, their main line is made of steel. And we're just not having issues with that. I'm not supposed to talk about this, but I'm going to anyways, I don't care, you know, because they don't want to get into this. On the DAPL, and I said this with Governor Bergam, I sat on his pipeline improvement panel before, and I said what we need is honest dialogue. And this is when it first started. DAPL had two barrels spilled, basically a gasket on a above ground structure that was made for recovery. It was clay lined, it was built for if something happened. There was only two barrels. National news, that same weekend in Newtown, two trucks collided, you know, golfed and fire. Had that been later in the year, you know, during the drought, it could have easily done a lot of damage to the people there. It could have burned out a lot of homes.  Nobody says a word, but just a hype train. They go crazy over it. But when you look at with pipelines, normally it's the first they call it a pipeline bull in the first five years is where you have incidents. DAPL, the total volume was less than one tenth of a semi truck, which we saw flip over all the time. But they never talk about that.  You know, they've run the safest pipeline in the nation, taking 5,000 trucks a day off the road, moving product from point A to point B. Our tribe focuses on the financials. I don't get into that. But the actual cost of that without that pipeline, you're talking $19 of barrels shot. So all your gasoline prices, the trolling industry doesn't need an excuse to jack up the gas price. But I guarantee you, if that pipeline goes down, you're going to be paying a lot of money at the pump. So there's got to be a happy medium. We've got to keep these guys in line where they're doing what they're supposed to do to the standards that we need them to. But there is a need for them. You can't overburden any portion of infrastructure. You can't overburden the roads. You can't overburden the rail system. You know, you need a happy medium. And that can be attained as long as it's done prudently. And that's what we push for.


Thanks everyone for for being here today So I'm Alex van der Sand. I am here to talk about mist But I do a little bit more than that on the foundation. I I'm the I'm an designer for the field for the foundation and I do some other stuff like the website and I'm not sure if you ever look at the website I suppose so but we do have some Outrageous claims on there like building stoppable apps have a robot run your organization or How the internet was supposed to work? those those are sort of outlandish claims and a Few people got a little bit mad this year that they were there And if you're one of those people, I'm sorry. I'm kind of responsible because I wrote them I put them there and I'm here to explain What do we mean by that and why do we still stand for every word? So what does that mean how the internet was supposed to work right in order to understand this? Let's see what the problem is Right the way that the internet works right now is that if you're building a service You first you put up a server and you serve a client and if you have five clients Then your server will serve those five clients What happens if you have five five hundred or five hundred thousand clients? then that becomes a problem and There are normally two things that can happen. The first one is that your server will just burn down and crash and If you take with it a part of the internet history Your users will be abandoned and if you were doing any sort of public good Then that will be just lost So the second option that most people take is the funding route right get some VC money put a bunch of Super servers out there and they will reach your five hundred thousand users, but now VCs are not donors. So when they give you a million dollars They expect a billion dollars back somehow and since we don't have any Like easy currency on the block on the on the internet right now the easiest most accessible currency are eyeballs and Also, by the way, we have all that private information already on our servers So let's just sell everything to advertisers and that's how we get where you are today, right? because all your users are just products that you're selling to your shareholders on your advertisers and It gets even weirder when you start Seeing the division of labor because those big pink guys they are there to serve your content They keep your private data. They connect the users They solve any sort of conflicts and the other guys here. They just show you your stuff Which is crazy because the computer you have on your pocket right now It's probably a thousand or a million times more powerful than the most powerful server when the web was created And I'm talking just about one device you have in your pocket. Just imagine all the devices that you have That are connected to you and it becomes even worse when you start thinking about The ecosystem because every one of those guys are separate islands. They are silos And if you're if you build your reputation on Airbnb Then that reputation is locked to bear BNB You cannot take it elsewhere unless Airbnb wants it and if Facebook and YouTube doesn't want to to work together They want if it doesn't make sense for them to work together. They want so that's that's how that's the problem We see on the internet right now and the way They didn't really try to solve it is to distribute Distribute all the tasks right so files are served by anyone in swarm and your apps are all and All the apps that reach can be need consensus or just Run on everyone of the know of the full nodes and that's how we got it You know where we are today and we launched this at DevCon zero with just like We've just come so it's just very developer developer oriented. It's like the DOS era So before before the US came along whenever you wanted to build a new software You had also to build a new computer and the DOS came along and then now as a developer You can build software for all computers the same thing with the two tools where now as a developer You can build blockchain apps just for all you don't you don't need to build your own blockchain for that But there's no graphic interface It requires the phone download and then and DevCon one last year We were talking and we launched the tier wallet and I think it's a great tool It's an advanced tool for specialists and I like to think it of more like physical correct cell also Taking the personal computer example back then if you were an accountant if you wanted to do Spreadsheets you would take Excel or a physical and you didn't need to be a developer anymore But you still needed to be someone who wanted to use specialized software Because what the wallet does is that it builds dynamic interfaces for the contracts that you want to interact with But still requires a full blockchain and requires you to have either in order to use it And that's how we get to miss here at DevCon shoe It's meant for the enthusiast users and by that I want you to think Netscape Navigator or Firefox in the sense that When they came they weren't for everyone But they really were they really helped broaden the horizons of the types of users that were using the web back Then and the idea is that we bring the full power of web interfaces Into smart contracts or you could say vice versa And it has a light client So it doesn't you want to require full blockchain download and we are doing some creative ways of funding So let's look at how it looks right So right here in the corner We have the I launch a light client right here We have missed being launched and this is a this recording unedited and what you can see there is I'm It's connecting for the for the first time so it choose the main network You can you can download your pre-sale wallet and then you create your password So MIST will take you to the steps necessary to create your account and once you create your account It will generate an identity icon to you and you can start also funding it You can fund it with Bitcoin or or any sort of other cryptocurrency And we are working with Coinbase at some point you'll be able to find it We have a credit card and all you need to do is deposit and all Meanwhile why we're doing this. It's already downloading. It's Downloading already more than half of the whole chain and if you still if you it's still not enough We can like offer you a little bit of reading material So you can try to understand more about each year on on the meantime So for example, we can let's learn about how to build a democracy on the blockchain That's I love this phrase over there. It is on the blockchain. No one knows you are fridge But we don't have time to read this We I'm not going to talk about dolls right now or democracy on the blockchain So you close it and it's there. It's launched. It has already synced So in less than one minute and 30 second and of course it will depend on some other factors We were able to sync from scratch in a clean machine and you can start using Ethereum right now and That's the main net and I want now to switch to the test net to show you some other very cool stuff Right. So this is the tiering wallet I think most of you have used it at some point It's really meant to help you use smart contracts So I created a smart contract that there is called donut coins Which is just just a token that you send around and I want to send five donut coins to a friend now Here's something cool, right because right now Ethereum has the to address the from address and a few information like bytecode and that doesn't really communicate anything to the User what we are doing right now is that we are able to decode whatever that bytecode means and show the user exactly What's what the transaction he's about to do is supposed to do at least so it's a transfer function It's going to transfer to that green guy on the bottom and it's going to transfer Five five what five donuts coin those are the parameters And of course if you want to check the contract You can always click on the top to check the actual source code of the contract But you're not doing that right now So all we need to do is you just check if the parameters are right Type or password on your gun and I think that's a great way of already of Interfacing with smart contracts, but here's a nice trick all this wallet we've built it's built in pure HTML and CSS and Anyone should be able to create another wallet with a such a rich interface as this and that's what we want Missed to do so in the left here We have a browser button where you can just browse to any app You want and it will and we have so so many apps already and more are being built And you could just type type any address on the top But here you cannot really see it, but in the top I'm not pasting an address. I'm pasting a hash So what does the hash means a hash is not a location where you find an application a hash really? Describes a specific version of an application It's a bunch of files a specific version of a bunch of images a bunch of HTML a bunch of JavaScript And when you paste a hash there what it does it's connecting you to swarm and that's also Recording of a live prototype and you can see BZZ up there And what is it's doing is that it's just downloaded this whole interface from swarm meaning that it's now running on your local machine And now since it's running on a local machine It doesn't necessarily know about you and then the first thing you have to do is kind of Authenticate yourself, but instead of the app's requiring To have every app you go you have to create a username and a password and that's dependent on the Central server that can be hacked Instead mist provides you with a few accounts that you can just choose. So I want to identify Myself to this voting app with that second account over there And once you authorize it your app can kind of change the interface To reflect that now it knows that you or this given account and now I created this little depth It's just a voting a stake voting thing you can just you put a parameter there like you say something Let's say game of thrones is better than Star Wars And anyone can vote to agree or disagree and their vote to be counted in stake voting And here's here's the magic right I created all this whole interface and the whole purpose of it Was just to get to this point where I create you a transaction and once you create that Transaction now the user is back in control because the user can see all the parameters He can see that he's about to do a vote application He's doing a vote on that on that account on the top and he's using a first parameter is a hash of whatever He said the first is just a yes or no meaning he agree or disagrees and in order to And in order to vote all he needs to do is type his password. So he's back in control So think about this, right? I just run this whole app and it runs completely without servers Because all the files you need to run them are we're downloaded via swarm from peer-to-peer network And not are like locally on your machine. Oh Your private information your login your account information is kept by you by your computer that is safe And finally all the information that you need to be public to become on to be synchronized is kept on the blockchain And you can see that well, it seems that everyone agrees with me and And I think that's that's the kind of architecture That we want to move moving forwards all depths to think about an architecture Where all the private information is kept and managed by the user himself and there is no central server than anyone that goes To that particular depth we'll always find this exact version of the application And what are their next steps that we want? So the next steps here is first of all hashes are terrible way Terrible user interfaces because they are long. They're not human friendly and they're not Updatable so you can just replace them for the ENS system that Nick was talking yesterday also we have Solidity now has authenticated contracts which allow some nice things with swarm and right now the way We are doing this decoding thing is that we just download a bunch of signatures with miss when you download miss And if you it's not enough you can ping a central server But with authenticated contracts what you can do is that we can once you interact with a contract We can download both the source code and the ABI directly from swarm and show you exactly what it's about to do Another very cool things that we are working on is easier in solvers. We already have a DMG We already already have windows installers on the latest releases We are we are starting to do signing signing with PGPs And we want to do a full app signing so we can eventually be on app stores too And there's another interesting thing is that right now? I think most people underestimate how much how users come into the ecosystem affects how users think Because everyone who has to come into the ecosystem has to have bought eater in an exchange at some point so a lot of users are Get in with this trading idea and back in the beginning We could allow mining where anyone could just use their computers to get eater that long past gone But what swarm allows us to do is that by just sharing your internet connection You could get a little bit of eater if you have a file that just suddenly becomes popular because everyone is using that application You will be paid a tiny amount of eaters Which is not a big amount but enough so you can start playing around with smart contracts without having to buy in an exchange Another thing we are excited to be working on is swappable backends Gaff is a great node But I mean there are some other people doing some very nice work and parity basically saved our assets In the beginning of this week, so we are trying to work with every we have the other developers to see What do we need to make swappable backends where the user can just select another node? And it would download it live and you just a single file would have all the configuration necessaries to work to for the for miss to work with any any backend that you want now Another things we have on the roadmap right and we have tons of things that you want to talk about we don't have time for them but So first of all it here in our C67 is a very cool It's a very cool thing. I want to work with it is the idea to create a Single link that you can it will definitely make creating smart contracts a lot easier because instead of having to Download a JavaScript library and creating a transaction out of JavaScript You could create a new transaction by just clicking on it so you would click on it it would the the link would come with your eyes saying the the Whose address is it's going to what are the parameters and then and then just by having static files with Fixed link anyone could create a file a link that you would open mist with the right way to do a transaction Invitation files we saw on the beginning that the first thing you do on the wallet is download your pre-sale wallet Of course fewer and fewer people still have pre-sale wallets But what if you could use that same mechanism to create some sort of invitation system? Where I can create a new a tiny little little wallet with a small amount of it here and give to a friend that Will for from his point of view it just looks like an invitation file that allows him to be a part of Ethereum he drags it and then it already has it already has some some parameters some functions and things that allow him to To connect your back to your friends We want to work with the media stick in paper wallets and we are moving the account management from the node to the client It has two big advantages one of them. It makes the node Swappable backends easier because now you your node only needs to to be able to think of the blockchain It doesn't need to actually do the account management and the user doesn't need to to have new accounts for every node They want it's easier for them to switch and also allows us to do more extensible things Like at some point allowing you to do anything you want to do with account with an account You could do with a contract Let's say you could do with a multi-sig or you could do with a scheduler contract or anything like that And there's another thing and and the reason I chose that picture is it's it's something I want to leave you guys with it I Come from Brazil and in Brazil. There's literally nothing that's five more than 500 years old and mostly not nothing That's more than 200 years old But here is different in China and in Europe We you still can find roads that are thousands of years old those are roads that were built by Empires that have long been gone and that after those empires other kingdoms have come and gone and the roads are still there and the roads are Still usable and they are not usable because they were magical or they are built very well in the beginning They are still usable today because those people that came after the original purpose of the road was gone Those people could just do their own road maintenance now railroads are not like that You can find railroads that are 30 years old that because a single company has gone bankrupt Or because the government just lost interest on that it just lies there abandoned and nobody else can do it Can you can keep using it? So let's try to build the internet like we build roads not railroads What think of Twitter think of we shed think of all those apps that we use every day that make a big difference they can all simply go away tomorrow if There's they are blocked by a government or if their board makes a bad decision that go takes the app in a different Direction than the community is let's try to build apps that allow That allow That just like roads we will allow anyone who is the community that wants to take That allows the app to keep be alive and keep Running long after the original purpose and the original creators of them are gone Apps that other communities and takeover can control and can take forward apps that are truly unstoppable and are truly There for a long time and their phone for the long term And I would really like to thank my whole team for all the good work that they've been doing and a lot of other people Are not directly part of my team, but are also a very important step into having missed where it is today Thank you


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I want people to understand what, you know, the purpose of cannabis really is and I want people to understand that I got into the cannabis industry to really educate people about the benefits regarding cannabis as medication and regarding the benefits of cannabis ailments or like, you know, the benefits that cannabis has with different ailments and that's why it's called the cannabis coloring book. Very cool. I love it. Yeah, it's just not, not just coloring, it's more, it's a lot more than that It's a lot more than that, yeah, it's not the stoner coloring book, not the 420 cool coloring book, it's not, you know what I mean, none of those titles, it's the official, the cannabis coloring book and it's because it's all of my original drawings of cannabis. You have full plan drawings, you don't have just a leaf, you have full plan drawings in my book. I don't know, I, yeah, one thing we were hoping for too and if it's at all possible to see if we can get, see, like you coloring, showing us how to color your coloring book. I would love that. I'm gonna start with a dark purple or like a dark purple, okay? Okay. I'll start with this right here and I'm just gonna start with the outline back, like an outline, like a heart outline and then I do a more softer approach as I color it a little bit more in but I try to do a heart outline on one side of the leaf so that way I give it, you know what I mean, like that type of boldness in other words, okay? So you could do that to a few of the leaves that you got going on there, just add a color outline up to you how you want to do it again, you're the artist, different people color different types of ways and that's why I even have a graphic artist that does all the coloring in for me because he knows shading and he's really good at that approach as well too. So you can go ahead and start with whatever you feel comfortable doing. All right. I'm doing flower power and it's intense.  And this is the thing I tell people, like you're the artist when it comes to cannabis because I think cannabis is a new color. Yeah. I think cannabis almost looks like the rainbow, really. I mean like so fluorescent and just beautiful in different shades with, you know, different lights.  That's, I, yeah, I definitely agree. I like the idea of the rainbow and plus like your jewelry, I like how it's all different colors. It's just greens and everything. It's a whole, it's many different colors. So I'm going to do the purple outline and then I'm going to take a pink and I'm going to start coloring a little bit of pink into it, into one side of the leaf. I just want to do one side for now, you know, where I put the purple in. So I'm going to start putting the purple and pink in there. So, I just switched it over to doing like a green down the like very middle, like to mix my colors and just do different variations and doing like a green right down the middle as well too. I very much look forward to doing so many more volumes and so much more in the aspect of my art or putting my art on more things like I said, the DAB tools. I really want to do that as well too. DAB tools. People love DAB tools or people always use DAB tools so DAB tools it is. Right. Yeah. I always like to do that. Make a machine. You should do that. Put it right next to the gumball machine. Gumball machines. There's gumball machines that's defensives. Oh, that's true. I didn't even think about that. I'm going to go ahead and put one too and that's it. You know, you need it for cotton. Are you kidding me? I don't believe that for sure. Yeah. I don't know where I want to go with next. I'm like, I'm not going to be that person that chooses one color. I'm like, I should have chosen another color. Okay. Let me see. Let me see. Yeah. I think I am going to do that blue. So I'm going to do like this aquamarine blue. Yep. It's an aquamarine blue. Definitely. It looks like a rainbow. Again, mine looks like a rainbow too. I love it. Let me see what you got going on. Nice. Okay. I like that. See, like everybody has a different vision when it comes to how they see the plant going or the colors that they would envision into the plant. I've seen people do some very creative renderings or renditions of my artwork. And it's great to see that, like where people's imaginations go. Right. Just seeing what people could do now, like on TikTok.  I would never thought about that. I wanted to try this one that was like dotting.   And it comes out looking like a whole interesting piece of art. And I also wanted to try the acrylic stuff.  How they make the ash trays and, you know, different types of trays. I never even tried that before. And I just see people, you know, mixing different medias or doing things with different medias and it makes you, you know, curious and you want to be creative with it. Right. So many different types of ideas that flow through artists that, you know, everybody could be an artist. You could be your own type of artist.  So go ahead and get creative.  It makes you feel so good about yourself when you're creative as well, too. You'll be here for a bit.  I'm so proud of myself. I'm so proud. For real. Oh, no. Watch me when you're done. You'll be done when I'm done. That's so pretty. No, it's awesome. And I can't. I don't think I'll be able to finish it while we're on air. But like, I know. I know. It's a lot. I'm telling you. Right. But you're going to be, you're going to be very, you know, intrigued of, you know, how something just like, it's them.   I don't give up on your dreams coloring that coloring book. You might grow up to be a color that is studio one day, kids. That's a good job. That is amazing. Just follow your dreams.  Being an artist, it's relieving. It's freeing. There's so many great artists in this world. And it starts by having the support of the people all around you, really, you know. Right. I had a community that really supported me when I first started. And it really helps when you have friends that could dream just like you could. You know, so surround yourself with like-minded individuals, really. So, where is your next stop after Longmont? After this, got to go up to Native Roots. And that's around 6 to 8 p.m. That's going to be tonight at their location. You just choose the color and just go with it. Right. Go ahead and do what you want, whatever your heart feels. Going to Native Roots. Are you doing art anywhere else? As far as Colorado goes, no. I'm just going ahead and putting kind of a pause on a lot of things this year with my art. Just going ahead and rolling out whatever I do have in inventory. Because I plan on doing a whole re-brand completely. Next year I really want to come back with Cush Doll Fashion, which is my clothing line. And that, I want to buy a TTQ printer. So, I plan to really work on that before I hit up any shows on the road. And I do the end of the cannabis coloring book tour. Because I want to do an actual city to city medical states with different sponsors throughout the United States as well too. That way I'll be able to visit all the major cannabis legal states. Are you trying to blend on there now? I am doing, I don't know, it's just so funny what I tend to do. I just go with whatever, like I'm inspired by it. But yeah, I mean, you just go ahead and, you know, there's two different colors. I like to do like an outline. I like to do a layer, so I'll do like purple or blue on the outside. And then I'll do a green on the inside. Some pink as well too. And I just go ahead and hit with the gold as well too, over it. And I guess that's a little bit of blending. I don't have a blending tool though, like a stamping blending tool, which would make it blend so much better, you know. Yeah, we can do that now. Alright everybody, this is what we've been working on. You can see what we have here. Hopefully, yeah, there's so many cameras to choose from. I don't know which one to show you that. This one, this one, this one. Yeah, everybody. Everybody, look at this one. Camera A, camera B, camera C. All of them, this one. The camera, this camera back here.  Yeah. I was color blending. You and my niece sometimes tells me, look Auntie, I'm color blending. And my brother was like, you're showing her how to color in the kind of coloring part. I'm like, I'm showing her how to color. Okay. So the fundamental thing about coloring is that, you know, it frees your mind.  And I really, you know, suggest it. It's all about plants and my coloring books. That's all you'll find. You'll find nothing but plants. And I like what you did there. I like the neon stuff. You was going into some neon, raising kind of, I like it. It's different. Okay. More into psychedelics. Yeah. And you know what? I actually did psychedelics. And I did color one of one of my favorite ones. One of my friends was like, wow, that looks amazing. I'm like, I don't know what it is. But right now my mind feels like it's like a machine. And it just, it colored some of the best, the best coloring that I've ever done. So there it is. Yeah. Well, I would like to thank Native Roots again. Thank you. For putting on this event. And thank everyone, everyone here at La Mopode Media. Thank you. And also people from Tinker Mill too for coming in today. And just everyone for watching and stopping the people to stop by today. If you want to learn more about Marie Ray, where can they find out more about the Cannabis Coloring Book? For sure. You can find out more about the Cannabis Coloring Book.  And on my Etsy shop, you'll find 550 items to choose from. You have stickers. You have jewelry, necklaces, earrings. You have pins, posters, magnets, the Cannabis Coloring Book Volume 1 and Volume 2. Some digital artwork as well too. Some original artwork as well too. And I want to thank you La Mopode Media. And thank Native Roots as well too. Thank you so much for sponsoring this and for bringing me out. And for allowing people to see my work and enjoy what I do. Thank you again. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you so much. And if you want to learn more about La Mopode Media, you can go to LaMopodeMedia.org. Or we're open Monday through Friday 9am to 5pm. Stop by. Use our studios. Use our equipment. And someone is here will be happy to give you a tour. Thank you so much. Awesome. Take care. Thank you. Bye.


Today, our guest is Dr. Anjula Singh-Bayes, and Dr. Bayes is the Director of the Fourth Dimension Consultancy, Interim Chair of the Human Rights Organization, Amnesty International, and a standing representative on social justice with the American Psychological Association. Dr. Bayes' specialist training is in trauma and her focus is on human rights and mental health with a feminist lens. And her degrees up to the level of PhD are all in psychology. And she maintains full membership of a range of relevant psychological professional associations. Now, I connected with Anjula through the Young Global Leader Network, where I was sharing some of my work on climate anxiety and she expressed interest in that and therefore we'll be corresponded from then on. So Anjula, thank you for joining us today. Well, thanks for having me, Jim. It's great to be here. Yeah, I've been really interested looking into your diverse career and it is very diverse, although with a number of ongoing threads. So I thought before I ask anything more substantive about specifics, could you just say something about, what are those core threads for you? What's the motivation for the work you do and have you come to do it? So always a solid question. And somebody had recently somewhat similarly asked that question because they were talking about human rights, psychology, media entertainment. And I was answering that question with the idea that they might be diverse but the values and principles and how I'm going about the decision making what undergrids is a consistent thread. And I think there's two parts. There's a conscious decision to do what you do but then in maybe spiritual or energetic terms, I also think it's a calling. And I think actually, I mean, if I were to sum it up sort of accurately, it's in some ways destiny. So I'll give an example, a lot of us, I'm speaking to you from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and recently Malaysia was right up there with India in terms of COVID numbers and it was really, really bad. And there was a lockdown and we've been in lockdown more or less for two years. So I had a lot of time to archive my past. And I realized, I completely forgot that I had a newspaper column when I was 12 years old and my jaw dropped because I was looking at these headings of what I was writing at the 12 year old and I was talking about anti-racism. I was talking about procrastination. I was talking about the effects of divorce. And even when I was 12, I was talking about the effects of climate change. And so whether it was things like high school can be a lot about popularity, for example, knowing what power or privilege I might have even as a high schooler and going to a rival high school and speaking about anti-bullying, it was something that I'm drawn to. I'm Indian and of course, even though the caste system is illegal, that does not mean sort of qualitatively that it's not an effect. And so I come from a caste that is royalty and nobility. And as a little child, I could not understand why a domestic help could not sit in my bed. Or if I walked across the path of a Brahmin, which is a priestly caste, they would get up and take a shower. I could not understand it. And as we know, and now I know of course as a psychologist, a lot of parents employ an authoritative parenting style. So if your child is curious and asks questions, it's no, it's what I said. That's the way it's always been done. And that never sat well with me. So basically everything I've done in my psychology practice or human rights is calling truth to power. Calling truth to power. And yeah, and questioning then, questioning some of the norms that are hierarchical and perhaps seeing more dignity in one person than another because of the cultural stories we have. I'm just, I'm what you've mentioned about the wisdom from your childhood has reminded me that I was very into stories of the wisdom of indigenous peoples as a kid. And I had lots of posters of their quotes and so on. And I was about a couple of years ago when I had this sense of almost like a huge apology that I had not lived from that wisdom for so long because I was so caught up with doing what's expected of me and becoming successful. And all of that was kind of nice, but impractical. And now there's for me, there's much more of a reconnection with, with wisdoms that are not celebrated, that are somehow marginalized. Interesting to hear you honor the wisdom from your childhood. Are you finding that, has it always been there or is it flourishing more for you now? That's a good question, you know? So recently when I took up the interim chair position of amnesty, you know, that's quite a mantle in terms of the work that needs to be done. And it's always interesting.   But it was very interesting, like my high school teacher, elementary school teachers, they're not surprised at all. They were clearly seeing something. And I think in childhood, you know, actually to go back to the sort of indigenous wisdom and sort of spirituality, there's an understanding and there's been research and, you know, books about it that at least, maybe from an Eastern perspective, if you believe in reincarnation, that children actually, you know, around up to the age of one and one and a half two, they remember their past lives. And then, you know, what you're speaking to, you know, you were saying that I got caught up in that that's conditioning, right, of society, culture, religion, whatever. And then that veil between this and maybe higher realms or different realms, it vanishes. So they can remember up to a point and then we get very sort of conditioned and we forget. But I do believe it's everyone's journey at some point or another that you will reawaken. It takes some people longer than others, but, you know, we're all on this continuum. So I would, to answer your question, I would say I'm astutely aware now of what my mission is in life, in this lifetime. Are you able and willing to put that mission into words for us, or is it a more of a knowing? That's, it's much more of a knowing, but I'll try. It's just simply a, you know, tweet, I tweet worthy. I rather tweet character than I can say that I'm just simply here to soar through serving. That's it. You know, my husband and I really believe in the giving pledge, you know, that sort of non-attachment, whatever we have. And we've strangely, I think that's probably why we come together, you know, we're not so busy looking at each other, but rather looking forward and what we need to do. Every single minute matters to me and not in a workaholic, you know, chaotic badge of honor. I'm so busy now. I think it's important to know how to be a human being as opposed to a human doing. But for example, I'm just very conscious and it probably is, you know, stems from my Buddhist practice that life is the most precious thing. Don't take any minute for granted. For example, if, you know, my husband goes to work, I will give him a big hug at the elevator. I treat every moment like it can be the last. And not because to me macabre or anything, it's just that life is very transient. So, you know, I think one of the greatest ways they say in Buddhism to understand life is to understand death. So I constantly question that in a stoic manner. So what simply to answer your question is is to soar through serving. Thank you. And I'm loving the metaphor you've just given us of a successful marriage, that sort of alignment of purpose, rather than just looking at each other and am I all right with you? How are we together in where we're going and what we're creating synergistically? Yeah, definitely great. So I would like to hear more about, you've mentioned Buddhism and spirituality. You've also mentioned reincarnation. I'd love to get to that. But first, yeah, you're interim chair of Amnesty International. And so what I'm interested in is, how important are universal human rights today at a time of clearly increasing destabilization, anxiety, not just with the environment, but increasingly so and certainly so to increase because of the environment. Because some people sometimes say, oh, this is kind of a modern Western framework, human rights. Or they say, we need to get a bit practical and pragmatic now and save what we can and prioritize. And some of these ideas are just a bit naive today. What does universal human rights mean for you and why are they so important? So that's a really deep question. Well, first let me start with an acknowledge that yes, you're quite correct in the perception, like culturally, it's not exactly universally accepted, whether it's definitions or what human rights means, feminism, so for example, when I was doing my doctoral dissertation, and even then, I helped create my university's sort of first human rights course. And obviously human rights typically is populated by lawyers. I mean, I can speak for Amnesty, right? It's founded by a lawyer. And I wanna challenge that notion that human rights is best understood by law and political science. I think it's very important to... So for example, when I was doing my doctoral research in Sri Lanka, I was like, why are you doing this? Human rights is such a Western thing. I think saying that is right up there with the reticence of people in the global South and the expectation that they have to carry their weight in sort of the climate crisis and reducing our emissions because we didn't cause these problems. So there is that sort of power imbalance that I think affects how different countries are thinking about human rights and feminism, but to say straight up that it exists in one part of the world and not another, that's quite inaccurate. Every culture has examples and its own definition of feminism. And in fact, in Amnesty, we are getting ready in the next year to collectively define what our feminist leadership will be. And it's very interesting hearing Latin American countries and what they focus on in feminism versus let's say in Asia. But Amnesty, of course, we have offices around the world that's spread out, but that is that sort of democratic consensus decision-making. Now to answer your question, and I'll be very candid, apathy distrust is at an all-time high. I especially see that, for example, in young people in my therapy practice.  And parents think it's a phase. They think they're just being unruly and they're being a teenager. But really, a lot of my clients are saying, why should I? There's no world left. Look at what you've left for me. And I think the litmus test is, you know, when you think of the United Nations, I have respect for it. A lot of times people would say, United nothing. But I think the litmus test is, would the world be better off without it? And my answer is, no, it wouldn't. I think we're moving the needle at a very, very slow pace. But to answer again, your question, is it, you know, the declaration of universal human rights, is it necessary? It is. The field of human rights and psychology, that's in its infancy. In 2009, the American Psychological Association, it created a vision statement that, you know, included a section about the organization serving as an effective champion of the application of psychology to promote human rights and health and well-being and dignity. And so if you think about it, psychology and human rights, of course, have had really separate and distinct histories. Usually there's not been a clear connection between the two, but that's really changing in the past decade. And, you know, milestone documents for claiming individual human rights can be traced back to the 13th century, right? With the Magna Carta, the modern understanding of the term also originated in World War II. And then, you know, when the UN adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, there's, you know, 30 articles, right, that are describing the rights of human beings. And even though that framework is a general framework of human rights, the distinction and the other concepts such as civil rights, public interest and social justice, it has been working in the past, but it's coming to the forefront. And even though what constitutes human rights, it's a complicated, it's a contested topic, but I will say as a psychologist, even with the ambiguity, our ethical obligation is to do no harm for all psychologists. And that's gonna encompass, you know, the protection of a patient, research subject. And in my opinion, all psychologists should keep in mind rather, the dignity, the humanity and the connectedness of all people doing our work. So. And there's a couple of things you said there that really caught my ear. One was about how you're really interested in, despite the importance of human rights being seen in a legalistic way and it being becoming international soft law and national law and all the good things from that. Actually, you wanna bring in more attention to the heart, perhaps, and the soul that connected to human rights and spirituality. So I was just wondering, to what extent is Galtama Siddhartha, a human rights activist, but we'll probably come back to that because the other thing you said was, yeah, young people turning up in your practice saying, why should I dot, dot, dot? I guess so any sense of doing anything because of what world have you left me? So also speaking to the adult generations in terms of our, what we've done and what we're leaving them. And it's something which, yeah, I was really surprised by. So when my deep adaptation paper came out three years ago, the people who really got in touch the most were people who were practicing psychotherapists because this is what they were already experiencing in their work and they were needing to meet their clients where they're at rather than just pathologizing these anxieties. And so, yeah, it's been, so for me, it's been a journey over the last three years of, you know, I knew very little about psychology and psychotherapy and I've been studying it over the last three years. But so I'm wondering how do you, how do you, when you're presented with someone saying that, how do you, a young person saying, why should I study? Why should I plan for the future? Why should I save? Why should I have any ambition? Why should I, why should I, why should I, how do you, and connecting it to environment, for example, how do you respond? Yeah, so the first thing I wanna say is one way that I employ a feminist lens in my practice is that if you think about clinical psychology, that is if antecedence is in the global North, right? And, you know, a sort of Freudian, Viennese based approach and a one size does not fiddle. And so actually my degree, my PhD is not in clinical psychology and that's actually quite an important distinction. It's an international psychology, which just, you know, very briefly in a nutshell acknowledges the intelligence and wisdom of each nation state. And you need to bring in that cultural perspective in order to be the most effective and to have efficacious results, you know, in and out of therapy. Traditionally, excuse me, clinical psychology has situated the locus of control in an individual. And how can that be? We're not, you know, we're not brought up in a vacuum. You know, there's so many variables at play, the classic nurture, nature, environments on and so forth, right? You can sort of psychologically speaking be a loaded gun, but if you're in the right environment, that gun won't go off.   I'm talking about nation states and, you know, refugee and migration issues in the world at large. There is a lot to be said about the Hume concept, Humean, you know, collective consciousness. So you could be from a, you know, like a relatively healthy functional family and not a cartridge going off, but the environment around you will put cartridges in. And so part of my feminist lens is I don't think pasta point, you can be clinical neutrality. Like, what's just going on in this room? Well, what is happening on a micro-meso level? So for example, if I have an African client that is understandably very traumatized about the disproportionate effects on them of, you know, climate crisis, COVID, the brutal murders of Brianna and Mr. George Floyd, I think it's preposterous to say, well, let's just reframe that, right? Cognitive behavioral therapy, that how can you tell somebody to reframe their thoughts when they have a knee on their neck? There's institutional and systemic issues. So the first thing I do with young people is acknowledge that what they're saying is very valid. And that in itself is powerful because usually the adults in their life are oblivious, really oblivious, to be perfectly frank. I mean, I can, as a therapist, I did not start out as a child advocate, but I have so many parents dropping off their young people and let's say for purposes of young, maybe 20 and under, and going, Dr. Bass fixed them. And I find that a very interesting word in itself, fix. I mean, questionable choice of words. I think it's more about an evolution we're not necessarily broken, but you know, really, Jim, after one session, it's usually like the kid is fine and actually quite smart. You need to bring in the parents. And this goes to the sort of intergenerational dynamic that we need to have and a dynamic and sort of dialogue. And as psychologists, we're in the unique position of being invited into a person's vulnerability, right? Each time we meet them. So it's within this space that our role is often guiding people through ways to, through how to manage their painful feelings in order to bring their lives back into equilibrium. So, you know, typically treatment for overwhelming, effective experiences, that's gonna involve a combination of physiological, behavior, cognitive approaches.  Because people are anxious about what their future holds. You're grieving losses, not in your family. It's not about an uncle that died. It's losses within our biosphere. You're becoming homesick. So... Yeah. That's really important to, yeah, to look at it, it's a more of a systems perspective when it's fascinating you say it's through the feminist lens that you're looking at the relationships around someone in terms of the family, but also in terms of society. Because, yeah, I read something maybe a month ago where I think there's an Australian politician and I've seen a British politician say the same thing where they're blaming environmental activists for scaring the kids. And I'm saying we're having a mental health crisis with kids because of the climate activists. And therefore we need to do something to try and shut them up. And... Hold on, I know how many young people that just absolutely finding their parents oblivious to it and not wanting to take it seriously, not just meeting the children where they're at with their anxiety and with their reality. So, yes, it's... Can I just say something to that? I would literally, I wanna say what Greta said. Blah, blah, blah, you know? I mean, I'm from India and the Asian usually parenting, like I said, is very authoritative. But I truly mean this. I think the millennials are right, they're like, you do you, I do me, but they really know what they're doing to a large part. Really hashtag their woe. And I think, for example, when people think of having mentors, they're always like someone who's arrived and older and I literally ask younger people to be mentors because I wanna learn. They're very tuned in. I think in ways that previous generations haven't been. They're sort of non-conformist. And to be fair, not to completely dismiss what the leaders are saying, there's a lot to be said about how you message something psychologically. So last year I had proposed for the like American Psychological Symposium theme across different, you know, there's obviously many types of psychology, right? Forensic, educational, but everybody got behind the climate theme I proposed. And messaging is very important not to induce a panic so that people, you know, the flight, freeze, bite, fawn responses, you have to message in such a way that, you know, to a point where you're like, okay, I'm deeply concerned, but that you don't create inaction where people just give up. There's tons of psychological research on that. I mean, and I'll tell you a lot of COVID, I mean, a lot of, you know, heads of state did not understand that. Like the heads of state that actually have psychologists on their teams as sort of, what is the word? You know, giving them guidance, if you will, they messaged much better. So you did not see people running in deep terror to, you know, buy stocks of toilet paper and group panic. Yes, yes. I still have, I'm sure there's going to be a PhD in psychology on why toilet paper, but I don't act like that. Freud would love that, you know, because he was fascinated by the genitals. I see, okay, right. So that will pass then that PhD. So I want to go back to, oh, by the way, just to say to our guests who've joined us on the call today, please do share any questions you have for Dr. Anjula Singhbhai's in the chat box and then we'll come to you later. So yeah, please do that now. And also indicate in your question whether you're okay to ask it yourself and what you would need you to have your video on. I want to just explore just because I love it. I've been studying Buddhism for the past year. Every two months now I go on a meditation retreat for four days where I'm completely offline. I go to a Buddhist temple. And so yeah, I'm really interested in the connection between spirituality in general or particular strands of it, particular wisdom traditions and this notion of the universality of rights, of freedoms. You know, what's the connection between rights and compassion? You know, a lot of people say, oh, it's more important to be focused on responsibilities rather than rights. But I'm wondering, what's the connection for you, for example, from your own either spiritual philosophy or your actual practices and your motivation to uphold universal rights? Yeah, so firstly, I would say it's a very deep connect because from my paternal grandparents in that lineage, we are a direct descendants of Siddhartha Govimo. So he was a Rajput royal before he discovered and became the founder of Buddhism. And it's very interesting because he sees, okay, I'll say Einstein was right when he said that if there's any religion that's gonna understand science is Buddhism. It's actually a deeply practical sort of lived philosophy. And so when Siddhartha Govimo, before he became the Buddha, his father obviously wanted him to take the throne, right?  And the pressure is deep. I see that also a lot that the complications in my psychology practice. So there was a lot of pressure for him to do that. And, you know, a wise sort of sage who could see the future, if you will, told Siddhartha Govimo's father that he will rule but he will not rule over people. He will rule over himself. You know, when you get into psychology and you're studying it, the biggest question they ask you is why do you wanna be a psychologist? Even with my human rights colleagues, it's much easier to save the world if you will than to work on yourself and save yourself. A lot of people who are doing this work like doctors, human rights activists, they're great with other people but they're in a lot of denial with themselves. Now to answer the sort of question that you're asking like what does this have to do with one another? Well, there's this understanding of dependent origination, right? This deep interconnectedness. So let's bring up Starbucks for example and let's meditate on that mindfully.  It's just unbelievable. You know, maybe it's a farmer in Ethiopia, right? Planting the beans or whatever. Someone's harvesting it.  Someone's flying it. Then it's clearing customs. Then it's, you know, getting released out of Kuala Lumpur. Then it goes to the barista. Your every single thought, feeling and behavior has an effect.  You did this to me. I'll do this to you. That's not actually how it works. We can't see certain things, right? It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We can't see the law of gravity per se. It doesn't matter what religion you practice or if you don't even. If you throw a book off the third floor, it's going to fall down. And so this cause and effect, that's universal.  It's a delayed effect. That's why we keep doing things that are so detrimental because we don't see the immediate effect, right? What we're seeing right now in the world is because of what we did in the 70s. And so the Siddhartha Gautama left his palace, no matter how much his father tried, you know. Here, here's this pleasure palace. Here are women.  So he couldn't give that as a bribe, but whatever. And he left the palace and he saw sickness for the first time. He saw illness. He saw old age. He saw death. None of that is inescapable to anybody. I think it was Julius Caesar, right?  I'm gonna go into the dirt like everybody else. What do you take with you? Nothing. So these concepts of non-attachment, I mean, basically to sum it up, I honestly cannot be happy if you're not happy. So that's how I bring Buddhism into everything I do because I can live in my ivory tower. I can study in academic ivory towers, but there's that real world. And if that's not sorted, it will eventually catch up with you. Which is why I want to try as much as I can to serve. Yeah, thank you. I am one of the insights was this idea of, well, not just the idea, but the experience to a degree. It's fleeting with me of this, almost like the deepest unity of being. And therefore all of us may seem so different, but we're not. And that also I may not like something someone did. It might be extremely bad, but it's the invitation to see, but if I was born into their situation, then I would live their life and have the same behaviors and so on. So it's an invitation to a level of forgiveness. And non-judgment, despite having this sense of compassion and having strong values, but again, none of this sort of judgment. And therefore, for me, that seems to be connected to this idea that, well, therefore everyone has dignity and sovereignty and rights and shouldn't just be labeled as not deserving because they're different to me or they haven't behaved as I wish them to. And to that point that you were saying you were describing it, it seems quite experiential. And of course the best things in life are very hard to put in words, but I would just say that's just a moment of true knowing that nobody can take away from you. And a lot of times when clients in therapy are like, for example, whether it's ecological anxiety or otherwise, this is not divested of actually going out in the world and taking action, but first center yourself. And that involves going into silence where these insights come that no one can take away from you. So his holiness, the Dalai Lama, I hosted him many years ago in a brilliant conversation about emotional vigilance in daily life. And he actually said that if young people had access to meditation and yoga before the year, like up until the year of age eight, there would be no war. And I fully agree. Yeah, and thinking about that, I've been looking at, as you know, I shared my paper with you, the one that's out in the psychotherapy journal from New Zealand just recently. And so for that, I looked at terror management theory and theories of experiential avoidance. And so basically there's quite a lot of analysis to say that as we feel more vulnerable, we feel more threatened, we become more anxious, there's the possibility or even likelihood if we don't help each other for something else to happen, for us to become more xenophobic, more chauvinistic, more defensive. And so, and of course, therefore if everyone in the world is doing that, then we're gonna create a whole new set of problems. There's gonna be a fracturing of civil society and multilateralism and so on and so forth. So yeah, in that, I think one of the modalities to try and not react in that way is to become aware of those emotions and to notice them and be able to allow them rather than to try and compulsively escape them by, oh, I know who to blame, oh, I know who to follow, or all those very impulsive ways of dealing with that inner stress. So I was wondering if do you see therefore with what you've just said as well, well, what's your thoughts on that, but also do you see that, yeah, we urgently need, and there's kind of a bit of a contradiction there for a lot of people who are on the spiritual path, we urgently need sort of a huge movement of promoting these mindfulness practices to help us avoid unnecessary conflict as people get more anxious because of the state of the world. Absolutely, unequivocally, yes we do, but I have several things I like to say to that. So the first is because of the time and place that we live in right now, we have access in a way because of the internet and social media to the whole world. And so things become magnified in a way that haven't. And I'm not at all speaking about denial, obviously the issues of fake news and misinformation, but what I'm trying to say is that there's a mechanism, whether it's a logarithms or whatever, AI or TRPs, for what's going to sort of clickbait with these sort of sensationalist headlines. So for example, I am speaking in Malaysia and we very famously and tragically I had a Malaysian Airlines plane that went down and no one can find it. It is actually aviation's greatest mystery. And I can't tell you how many people came into practice. I can literally chart an uptick that were anxious to fly. And my homework for them was to actually go to Kuala Lumpur International Airport and to sit for three hours and watch how many flights take off and land successfully. What are you focusing on? You know, thousands of flights take off is actually safer than driving, but we don't focus on that. So there's a lot to be said about, you know, how you are thinking, of course, reframing, focusing. But here's what I wanna say, no matter how hard you try to escape yourself and all of your internal thoughts, feelings, experiences, you are stuck with you. So I think it's in your best interest to cultivate a willingness and ability to connect with yourself. You know, even with the parts that seem frightening or painful. And here's the thing that most people don't actually get. When you try to run away or you try to deny unpleasant thoughts or feelings, you're actually creating an internal battlefield. So you're essentially declaring an internal war upon the self and there's no winners in that.  And this is what I tell clients, they're, you know, if someone dies, for example, and you're grieving that that is ecologically appropriate, so we get that. As it famously goes, there's a difference between pain and suffering. Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. So it's only when we react to lies, kind of inevitable pain by contracting the mind and body, that's when we're creating our own suffering. We were actually creating suffering in a way that doesn't need to exist. And acceptance that you're speaking about is a complete opposite of avoid. Yeah, so thanks for pointing that out, that it's important to notice if we're adding a sting that's not necessary, like a sense of urgency in what you were saying earlier as well about avoiding panic, but at the same time, then not ignoring the emotion and the cause of the emotion and staying present to it. And yeah, and so thank you for bringing that, well, adding to what I was saying there. We're gonna go to questions now. We have a question from Andrew Morton, who works at the United Nations and is very interested in how we can start to talk about readying for greater societal disruption because of climate change, the kind of conversation that no one really wants to have. Andrew, over to you, your question for Dr. Singh Bayes. Yes, hello, Bayes, and thanks for giving me the space. This is about your amnesty and climate anxious, particularly because I know that amnesty has great, it's gotta speak, psychological, beta ground experience. They're really seasoned about dealing with and meeting with and coping with people with massive trauma. So personally, I see some parallels between the victims of human rights abuses and traumas and the climate anxious in that I feel both victims have limited agency in actually fixing the fundamentals, getting justice, fixing the climate, intergenerational conversation. So their agency is limited to their own small practical actions, what they think and what they say. So in this context, given amnesty's background, is there anything that from lessons learned about that could probably use or translate across to the growing field of how to brief and comfort the climate anxious? Thanks. So Andrew, thank you. So just to say what I'm getting from you there is that many people do say that having pathways towards agency at any scale is one way of doing something about the anxiety rather than just being better at observing it. So yeah, it's a good question. Thank you. And anything from amnesty's in, or I know, Andrew, you obviously have been involved in social action more generally outside of amnesty. So anything from any of that. Thank you, Andrew, for that question. I mean, firstly, amnesty is also of course always learning from our partners and our partners and other civil society organizations. But what I would say is that the ethos probably in the boardroom and just generally throughout the organization and even my own work as a psychologist is that there's communities that are in grindingly desperate circumstances, what you're talking about. Communities that aren't even thought about, like those without running water or electricity or they're left out of the climate conversation. And that means, and I'm saying this from my perspective, but also what we're seeing in amnesty, that means not just including them, but deliberately prioritizing them and ensuring their voices are heard on all levels. So I think we need what Marine biologist Ayanna Johnson calls a sort of feminist climate renaissance. So I think without this, a just and very livable future becomes impossible. Because when you look at the research, I mean, I just did a research paper earlier this year on countries that are led by women and in their sort of COVID-19 impact, research shows that women's leadership and equal participation results in better outcomes for climate policy, reducing emissions, protecting land. And I think some of the main characteristics that are shared by women leaders, like let's say Christina Fogueres, first and foremost, and this is really important, they prioritize making change over being in charge. So I would say we really collectively, whether it's at the boardroom on the ground, I mean, I'm surprised sometimes, I'm not just speaking about amnesty, just generally in the NGO, human rights sector, humanitarian, how much infighting there is. We need to get away, it's like we're here to serve. I mean, let's really get back to the basics. So we need to get over ego, competition, control, all of that is very patriarchal, supremacist, hierarchal stuff that gets in the way. And it burns a lot of energy and it keeps us from collaborating. And so like I said earlier, amnesty is looking at defining feminist leadership and that'll be our playbook. Yeah, so you heard it here first. It's coming soon. However, our next question is also from another white bloke like me. So I invite other people on the call who are not like me, Andrew and Stuart who's coming next to also pose your questions. Stuart, Stuart is a volunteer for the Deep Adaptation Forum. Stuart, over to you, what's your question? Hi, thanks, my question. It's a difficult one. So I come from a certain place, certain viewpoint with regards kind of the collapse awareness, the inevitability of it and the time scales of such. And I've processed a lot of that I found the gen and I've done the last two years has been very transformational. So much so that I've picked up a book on buddies and last week myself. So I start something, join that conversation. And I see it's a very beneficial thing to do. It's been life changing for me in a positive way. And I kind of feel that as a civilization, we would do better for more people to go on that journey. What I struggle with is sharing my viewpoints in a way that might push people to do that, given the anxiety and stress that it can bring in certain people. So it's that responsibility that I'm struggling with at the moment and how much of my own viewpoint I should share. So you're worried about the emotional impact on other people of saying that you perceive the future as extremely challenging and sharing how upsetting it's been to you and how difficult your journey has been. Is that also just to check also how you look after yourself in that experience of talking to other people too? Yes, yes, it is, yeah. Yeah. Okay. This sucks in clipboard, thank you. Big question. And a really live one for the Deep Adaptation Forum people at the moment about outreach and how to outreach. Stuart, I think that's a brilliant question that it's going to be on the prefrontal cortex or front of everyone's mind at some point or another, right? And again, I don't think there is a one size fits all but here's a couple of things I would say about that. You know, it's the very people. So for example, in therapy, when I have a parent who goes, am I being a good parent?  Truly bad parents, never also, right? They're always right and there's no issue. So the fact that you are asking, wow, how do I get across my message and you're sensitive to your own needs and other, I think that A bodes very well. What I would say is that no day in the office and office can be very abstract and temporal or whatever in the sense is the same, especially in this line of work, what we're all grappling with, right? Deep adaptation, the climate crisis, all of that. Please pace yourself. It's, look, on the one, okay, there's layers to this. On the one hand, it is absolutely urgent. We need to sprint like we've never had before. This is not a marathon, we need to get emissions down.  So I need you to think of it as sprinting some days and some days passing the baton to others who will pick up that baton and you need to like then for, if it's a timeout or take a break because that should form part of your egging. Rest, recuperation and tuning out for just a little bit actually helps you serve the larger cause. There's something else I wanted to say and now it's up. Again, because of what we have at our fingertips, the internet, social media, it becomes very overwhelming.  Everybody has their contributions that are equally valid, they're just gonna look different. And so I wouldn't get into this, and we do this insidiously, this compare and despair phenomenon. Not everybody's gonna be giving a plenary at WEF or the UN, nor should they. I think a mother, like a stay at home father and mother has as much importance if not more than a head of state addressing the UN and what they're inculcating in their child. So truly, I mean this when I say it, every moment is a teachable moment. Every person right in front of you, whether it's the post, the person giving you the post or somebody to use Starbucks again, all of you now know I love coffee, standing in line, it's a teachable moment. Your sphere of influence is always there. And so in a way have of course the urgency, which I think all of us do in this virtual room, but pace yourself. Because one thing I've seen in human rights activists they oscillate on this pendulum of like this hero complex savior. And then I'm indispensable, you're important, but there's a lot of people doing what we need to do.  I hope that someone wants to use your question. Thank you. And before we conclude, I just want to go back to your comment on feminist leadership. Because many people looking at the climate crisis say we need to have a few new policies, we need to have some better technologies, we need to just to make more of an effort, maybe bring in some better carbon pricing and taxes and so on. And so a lot of people engage with this without asking deeper questions about how on earth did humanity come to this point of undermining the very living conditions of our civilization. So I was wondering if you're looking at feminist leadership. Yeah, does that mean you, and you did mention culture of patriarchy and supremacy and competition and all sorts. Do you think there's a teachable moment around that? So like we're in these multiple predicaments and crises. And maybe there's an essential problem and it relates in some way to gender. Any comments on that before we close? Well, I mean, when you think about feminist leadership, I mean, feminist climate leaders, they tend to have a deep commitment to justice and quality. And when you're talking like boardroom experience, for example, research has shown this, it's not your technical knowledge, it's your people knowledge. That's gonna really ultimately determine whether you're successful or not. So having emotional intelligence is necessary too.  And we're not gonna solve it like I said from our prefrontal cortex alone. We need to come at this as whole human beings. That means the grief, the uncertainty, the rage, the anxiety, but also the love. And not to make an over-generalized statement, but that on average probably comes easier to women or men that have done the work and that consider themselves feminist. But the environmental crisis it's continuing to drain livelihoods. When you're talking about the biodiversity loss, pollution, everything that's driving our ecosystem, degradation, all the threatening economic opportunities and the transmission of the zoonotic diseases like COVID-19. All these are more likely to emerge from communities that are exposed. And we know that there are differentiated impacts, right? A climate crisis on women and men and that is related to ingrained gender inequalities and discrimination. So I very much think that a gender lens is essential to understand the differences in environmental impact and among the different components of society. Having said that, life is not, we don't want that cognitive distortion of black and white. It is nuanced, it is great. And to bring it back to a Buddhist parable gem, the two sages were walking in the forest and they saw a deer with an arrow stuck in it. And they got into this conversation of where did the arrow come from? Of what wood was it made? What was the speed? From what direction? And the Buddha came walking and just plucked the arrow out of the deer. Because we just need to alleviate suffering. So I, you know, like I said, patriarchy, all of that are the reasons we are in the situation we're on, but now we just need to take this arrow out. And that means maybe to some extent, less finger pointing and let's just come together. It is amazing how much when threatened or uncomfortable, we just focus on greater measurement. I really need to know more about this. And me being an intellectual academic, I think I suffer from that. It's like, why am I continuing to research rather than just living a certain, a different way? I know what I need to do, I just don't do it. Okay, thank you very much for your time today. And thank you also everyone for joining. And I look forward to seeing you again. This concludes our Q and A's for the, for this year, for 2021. We'll be back in the new year with a new series of Q and A's for deep adaptation. Thanks, Stuart, for your tech support as well. Thank you for having me and thank you everyone who's attended. It's such a pleasure. Take care of yourself. And if you're watching this on YouTube, look it below and there'll be lots of links to some of the things we've talked about and so you can follow up. Thank you. Bye-bye.