Libra Brothers Company makers of swan the soap with the exclusive super-creamed blend presents Our friend swan with my friend Irma Starring Mary Wilson is Irma and Kathy Lewis is Jane Friendship friendship Just a perfect friendship when other friendships have been forgot There's will still be hot When I came to New York, I lived alone in a boarding house It wasn't bad, but before long I was talking to myself right then and there I decided to find a roommate That's how I happen to be living with Irma Peterson now. I have someone to talk to you know the conversation made more sense When I was talking to myself For instance a few minutes ago, I said Irma, you know, I don't think those wall brackets give us enough light Why don't we buy a bridge lamp and Irma said a bridge lamp, but Jane, what if we want to play gin rummy? Things I never answer I just pretend I'm back in the boarding house living alone Or to steady my nerves. I pick up a newspaper and read Jane yes, Irma. What are you doing with the newspaper? Yes, honey. It's just an article on psychology as applied to marriage Well, it must be wonderful psychology. No marriage What's it say? It's just a series of questions designed to see if a girl and the man of her choice are suited for each other Well, isn't that unusual? No, why should it be? Well when Alan I sit in the sofa He never asked me any questions and we get along fine Well, honey, you know, there's more to it than that this article approaches the problem of compatibility with scientific Introspection. Oh, that's nice. What did I say Irma? Something about an inspection, but I didn't get it Well, let's just forget the whole thing Oh Jane, please please read me some of the questions because I've been very worried about how Alan I will get along after We're married. Oh Irma, are you still thinking seriously of marrying that unemployed moocher? What can I do Jane? I love him. Ever since I've known him I've been in a trance. Oh come now You have known him that long. I Mean well honey, you know if you're really worried about how the two of you will get along Won't you try this test on yourself? Oh, I want to Jane. Please read it to me. All right, sweetie Let me see Does the man you intend to marry keep appointments? Is he punctual punctual why Alan's in line for his unemployment check even before the office is open? Mark down one one. Yeah now is he the type of man you would ever be ashamed to be seen with no because we never go any place No, no honey if you want to take this test now, you've got to be honest with yourself now What do your friends think of Al? What do I care? I can get new friends Well, you better give yourself a zero on that one. She's just like school. I'm getting zeros again And what's the next question Jane? Do the two of you like to participate in sports? Well, I like swimming and tennis Yeah, and what about Al? Jane is tilting pinball machines in sport They catch you yes, and you may have to sprint up a few alleys Irma so far you see you and I'll have very little in common psychologically speaking Well, there must be something that attracted us to each other. I know what attracted Al to you. What you've got a job Look now Irma just prove it to yourself now answer the questions. They have here honey. Do you like dancing? Yes, does your boyfriend? No, do you like to go to the theater? Yes does your boyfriend only when he has a pass? Well according to this psychological test the two of you just don't click maybe you're right Jane Lately I've been having my doubts too. Yeah, what are you gonna do about it? Well Al will be here any minute and I'm going to give him one more chance either he will change or this is the end Well, that's up to you honey Come in Hello Jane. Hi chicken Hello Al, honey Well, I've got to run along kids. Hey hold it Jane you mean you don't even want to hear about my new deal Can't wait You will love this It's a racing form printed on a large cookie. So after a day at the track you still got something to eat Sounds good, huh? I can only say if you find you have anything in common with this man Get rid of it It's an oldie day. She ain't ever got a woman to any of them Al I would like to go to the theater tonight. Will you please take me chicken? Why this sudden request Al? It's very important for us. You see you and I are psychological cases What are you talking about chicken Al? Please take me to the theater. Well chicken Why can't we just sit here on the sofa and discuss world politics? Sist, you take me to the theater.  We have nothing in common. We might as well face it. You and I need a scientific inspection What? We're not combustible Don't you mean compatible? What's the difference what I mean? We're just not meant for each other Chicken you mean that? Yes Al Let us just consider this experience and interlude a motel on the highway of life Chicken you're nuts. That's beside the point This is the end and I think we should break completely Well chicken, I don't know what to say But if you think you'll find more happiness with another Here's your ring back Thanks Al And here's a pawn ticket for the one you promised me Maybe you'll change your mind someday Well, goodbye armor You're a swell kid I won't ever forget you just passed Al in the hall and you Oh honey, you're crying. Don't feel sad sweetie Can't help it Jane. I always feel sad when I'm crying Now listen Irma the worst is over now. You must try to forget it. Believe me. It's for the best I know you're right Jane, but I never had a man walk out on me before That's silly. He didn't walk out on you. You walked out on him. How can you say that? I'm still here Oh now look honey don't carry on so you know you're really in an enviable position You have the whole world before you you're footloose and fancy-free footloose and fancy-free sure Now come on. You dry those tears. Let's have a smile. Come on. Come on. Now.  It's only me professor Kropatki Hello, Jane and Irma my two little jigsaw puzzles One complete and one a few pieces are missing Professor excuse me a little joke. I picked up in a toy store What's new Irma? What's this professor? I'm footloose and fancy and it's free.  I knew it would someday Don't feel too badly Irma. Oh, I remember when I broke up with that nagging wife of mine She went out and found somebody else Did the new fellow make her happy? No, he made me happy.  No Where else can a man go hunting and swimming without getting out of bed? I'm afraid I'll miss out now look Irma before I go I want you to remember an old saying a stitch in time will save nine Well, how does that apply to me? It don't this is a slogan for taylors But there's a very old saying I like It takes a heap of living to make a home. Well, well, I think I'll go up to my home and clean out that heap so I can live in it I made a mistake. I'll never find another man like Al No, you made a decision Irma.  Guess you're right Jaina I'm just going to look around for someone else Who can that be? Maybe it's Al coming back. Come in Hello, dairy. Oh amber lip scot. What a surprise. Uh, you remember my roommate Jane?  Irma my feet are killing me If you don't mind, I think I'll leave. What's the matter, dairy? Ain't you never seen feet before? Yeah, but not in such quantities I'll see you later, honey Gee Ain't it wonderful the way we hate each other? But that's not important. You know why I rushed over dairy Look Oh amber an engagement ring 14 carat gold. Oh amber. What a beautiful setting. Yeah next year. I get the stone I wish you all the happiness in the world. So what this town is crummy with guys Look Irma, if you want a fella do like I did right to the Lonely Hearts Club Lonely Hearts Club Sure, they got stuff lying all over the place Quickly confidential they give you a number and if you're lucky like me they don't ask for a picture Oh, you mean I could get a number if I wrote to them. That's right, dairy. Nobody uses a name look say Say you're number 12 Then the fella might be number 34 and all male goes right to a box So he don't even know where you live and vice-a-vice. Gee. Do you think I ought to try? Dearie, don't waste no time inflation is coming. You don't know what you'll get Just do like I say, huh? All right amber. I'll do anything to meet some new fellow Oh, you can't miss dearie and wouldn't it be wonderful if my husband and I ran into Al someday and I could say Al congratulate me. I'm mrs. 94 Say ladies would you like to have a luxurious mink coat? 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So start writing your letters tonight Irma has enrolled in the Lonely Hearts Club I don't know why she did it, but I suppose it was good enough for amber lipscott. It's good enough for Irma So already she has a number 75 Irma's kind of worried about her number She's afraid if she signs her letter 75. She won't get a man under 80 So I explained that the number has no personal significance and right now Irma's writing her first letter to the club It'll be forwarded to some unknown man Dear to whom it may concern I am a lonely girl. My heart is broken I have blonde hair and blue eyes and nice legs and would like to meet a man in the same condition No, no, sweetie. No What's wrong?  All right Jane good Um Dear sir, I am 22 years old Blonde considered attractive and I'm quite lonely I should like very much to make the acquaintance of a gentleman who is also lonely now sign it With best wishes and all my love 75 PS this has nothing to do with my age. No No, sweetie. Just just sign it. Sincerely number 75. All right Jane. Uh, do you think I should spray a little perfume on it? You know the bottle I'll gave me Irma. I have smelled that perfume Will not only keep men away, but also mosquitoes No, honey, you you just mail as it is. All right Jane Hello girls. Oh, hello, Mrs. O'Reilly this letter just came for you Irma I didn't mean to peek, but it says Lonely Hearts Club on the envelope. Oh, it's here, but Irma. I don't understand What about you and I'll uh, they broke up.  Go on read the letter from the Lonely Hearts Club. I'm just dying of curiosity. Go on. All right My dear miss 75 in answer to your letter I too am lonely. What can we do about it? Signed 33322. Oh Jane, that's a wonderful number. What do you mean wonderful? We'll have a big family I don't follow you sweetie. Well in poker three threes and a pair of twos is a full house I know Irma, but don't go jump into conclusions. You don't even know this man.  Why do you all look so happy? Irma has a new boyfriend Wonderful Irma. What's his name? Irma Convict Listen to me go back to Al at least he wasn't caught yet No, no professor. Irma's been corresponding through the Lonely Hearts Club and everyone has a number Oh Congratulations Irma and take the advice of an old man Find out what the man is like right away before you get involved Oh, I'm going to but first of all I'm going to find out one thing if he has a job You know what? I just went through with my ex Your ex Yes, I want to even forget his name Of course, my ex was very sweet to me And my ex made me happy And I love my ex I dreamed of that day I work Irma you're slipping now remember. Oh, yes.  Come on. Let's answer the letter. All right Come on, Mrs. O'Reilly. They want to be alone. Let's you and I run around the block. Oh, that's silly Who's going to run around the block? You are you'll ask me for the rent and when I give you my answer I guarantee you'll chase me around the block So let's start now. Goodbye and good luck Irma All right, honey. Let's get started with your letter Finish a letter and I'm proofreading it for it. It says Dear 3 3 3 2 2 Do you mind if I call you dear 3 2?  I hope not because I'm considered the right height for 5 feet 4 I wouldn't want anyone shorter than 5 feet 4 and a half because I want someone I can look up to What else is new? Have you got a job? I have and hoping to hear the same from you. I remain affectionately 75 Yes, sir, what can the Lonely Hearts Club do for you? Well, my name is Al. My number is 3 3 3 2 2 I'm corresponding with a girl number 75 any mail for me. I look in the box Oh, yes, here's a letter for you 3 3 3 2 2 By the way, how are you getting along with your correspondence? Well, frankly the dame seems a little cracked But I'm so anxious to get over this lump in my heart You know the girl I love jilted me that I'll I'll try anything. Oh, here you are. Good luck Now for the past three days, I've been hearing nothing but 3 3 3 2 2 and 75 until it's just coming out of my ears You know if those two ever get together, I think they'll have to be married by a bookkeeper But of course since the letter that Irma's expecting today should contain valuable information about her new phantom boyfriend I was just as excited as she was when she said Jane Jane the letter it came Oh, isn't that wonderful? Come on, honey. Read it. No, you read it to me. I'm too excited. All right. I will Dear 75 Thank you for your letter. I was hoping the girl I was corresponding with was a vassar graduate But it seems quite impossible since I noticed you spelled considered with a k However, none of us is perfect He spells perfect p-e-r-f-e-k Oh go on Jane. All right You asked me have I got a job Well 75 as number to number Let me inform you that I have worked hard and steadily all my life as head of a big steel corporation And now I'm prepared to retire. How are you fixed financially? I am perfectly healthy tall and so handsome. It's disgusting Yours devotedly 3 3 3 2 2 What do you think Jane? I don't know sweetie. This is either a genius or a crackpot But anyone should be an improvement over Al. I beg your pardon your ex. Shall I answer him? You know, I think it's about time you met him. All right, Jane. I'll write him to come up here No, no, honey not for two reasons. First if you don't like him, you know after you've met him We don't want him hanging around here and secondly we want to make a good impression on him Well, how do I go about that? Yeah Well, richard and I are having dinner at the palpio club tomorrow night. He can be our guest But how will he recognize me? Well, uh, right that you'll wear a green hat But what if someone else is wearing a green hat? He's liable to marry the wrong girl Yeah Well, tell him that you'll leave your number with the head waiter and I'll read will bring it to our table All right, Jane. I'll sit down and write him a letter right away Yeah, honey and listen in your letter try to make yourself attractive show an interest in what he's doing Well, if he's in the steel business, what can I say? I don't know Say Well say that you realize that Steel is the backbone of this country and that you're fascinated by blast furnaces and trust he finds you interesting I got it. Now. What are you going to write? It must be interesting to steal blast furnaces I trust you will like me because I have one of the nicest backbones in the country Hold it honey. Just just hold it. Just invite him to dinner at the Papio Club At the Papio Club Richard myself and number 75 We're waiting for 3 3 3 2 2 I must say 75 looks adorable She's wearing a green hat. She's taking no chances On it is a 75 She took a label from a can of Heinz beans and said 57 and reversed the numbers And since this dinner is costing Richard a pretty penny I too am very curious to see what Irma's landed Honey Irma smile. Come on. Look happy I'm sorry. Jane. I was just thinking But Al Now Irma, what did you promise? Ha ha ha ha ha It's better Irma you say this mr. 3 3 3 2 2 is in the steel business. Yes. Well, then I must know him Oh, I'm sure you do. Well, it's going to be wonderful to have dinner with an old friend Oh, sure You know every time we've been out together. I'd look across the table and who would I see? Al Chicken you're wearing a green hat and you're wearing a carnation 75 Al you're not 3 3 3 2 2 Well, I sure am What a roundabout way to get a free meal I'm glad to see you Me too chicken now just a minute out you have your nerve working steady A steel magnet. I don't even know what I wrote. I didn't even know it was Irma All I know is I was going crazy for misioner. Lots of guys turn to drink I turn to the lonely hearts club Oh, well, it's all my fault in that psychological test. Ah, what's the difference chicken? Just wanted you to know I love you and I always will And now jane if you want me to go I'll go Sit down Al Sit down in order No, thanks. I'm not hungry.  Oh just fine my great big three three three two two And if that isn't nauseating enough Irma is now making with more numbers 14 No, I don't like that 32 yes 32 and 33 Irma. I know Al is three three three two two and you're 75 What are those other numbers? Oh, I'm just picking out names for the children Oh with language like that, what can I say but 23 skidoo to my friend Irma My friend Irma presented by swan another fine product of lever brothers company was produced and directed by Psi Howard tonight script was written by Psi Howard and park levee frank bingman speaking You bet there's a reason why spry is the cake making wonder Spry has an amazing cake improver secret Try the sure spry one bowl way and be certain of lighter finer richer cakes every time No other type of shortening has spry's cake improver secret for new cake making success rely on spry Pure all vegetable spry with cake improver Rely on spry sb r y Week one hour earlier and listen to the lux radio theater immediately followed by my friend Irma This is cbs the columbia broadcasting system


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Okay. Welcome everybody. My name is Hippie Hacker and I'm a Hippie because I'd focus on community stuff at a neighborhood and a nation level and I'm a hacker because I do it with technology. I've been doing open source stuff for about 30 some odd years and these are my two boys in the Volkswagen bus I had later in life. Earlier it was Wally the Westphalia and she had Tiki torches on the front and a hula hoop on the back and I went all around the different communities and they helped me keep my bus on the road. But today I'm here to talk about us cultivating a culture of cooperation and cooperation requires us being on the same page while we learn to co-author and create together. So that's going to be kind of the focus of today's talk. Everything I do today will be in a web browser because I'm being a little bit direct when I say we're all going to be on the same web page. So I have created a place for the interfacing IO for sharing and it's sharing.io. Oh, it's down. What am I going to do? This is horrible for trying to present to an audience. So let's try this. I know a back door because being a hacker and all that. So I have this thing called EMAC. So I actually learned a list programming from a guy called Richard and this was back in the day like 2000. I was in the Linux Loon as he was a cruise. It was kind of fun. We got to see Richard and then a friend ESR was talking about open source software and you can imagine how fascinating and fun that was if you know that conversation. In addition to EMACs, I used to log into our computers at the university and the university computers. They ran Solaris but it had a user space full of utilities like Screen and we could share our terminals with each other and they have a new thing called terminal mux or terminal muxer. So I have brought up a terminal muxer thing that allows us to kind of poke around to demonstrate how we can be on the same page together. Now, I would invite you if you are interested to co-author with me today to put into your web browser team mux.sharing.io. If you're on a phone, you can please rotate it to the, you know, sideways. But what I'm going to do is we're going to demonstrate by going through these different headings in our demo and it will drive the team-up session on the right so we can learn to share the way in which we work together with others. So we have this first one. It installs some software from a place called coders. Is that big enough for everybody? Make it a bit bigger? We can change the size as needed. But you can also see over here that it ran coder and then some link to calling it space because I'm less about focusing on one group of people and focus on everybody on the planet. So I have this mantra or prayer that never leaves my head. And everything I do, I do it for everybody, not for one organization, one nation or one even neighborhood. So we're going to now do space login or coder login, which will ask us to log in via the CLI. So I'm actually, these are all web pages by the way. So the left one is e-max and the right one is a terminal mixer. If I click on this one, it takes me into space.sharing.io. So if you want to try this on your computer at home, this is how we create shared space. And it does this via pods and it does this via anything you can terraform basically. So I'm going to go ahead and log in to GitHub. It will ask you a question the first time you do it and it will say, do you mind sharing your email and your public information? It just allows us to limit access at some point to specific CNCF projects. Because what we're trying to do is make it easy for CNCF projects to onboard and demonstrate their value and to help people get to a point of co-authoring together. So I'm going to copy this link after I've logged in and I'm going to, oops, I forgot to log in. So we'll finish log in. I'll paste my token and it says, welcome, HH. You're authenticated. That's lovely. I feel authenticated.  So it's nice to be seen and validated. So now we'll go through and see what kind of templates we have via the CLI. We have two templates available to us for creating shared spaces right now. But I'm hoping that we'll be able to gather many more templates because the ways of developing are kind of like, if you have the, back in my day, the VI versus Emacs. Now you've got like the code, VS code and all these other places. But onboarding someone new into the way in which your particular group of humans develops is, it's kind of hard. But wouldn't it be nice if we could just click to create and give them the default preferences for this particular project? A lot of projects will have files that say, here is the way in which the code must be submitted for PRs. But we often don't recommend an initial way to quickly get started to contribute. And I think it would be great if we could find a way to start gathering templates of ways to make space for everyone to be involved in open source. So the next step I'm going to do is create a new pod. It's called II pod, because an iPod is just for one person, but an II pod is for all the eyes in this room. And I would suggest that when you do create space, don't do it by yourself. When I first went to New Zealand, there was a big mural on the wall at the airport and it said, if you want to go fast, go by yourself. But if you want to go far, do it together. And in the open source community, we often say that we're not going to spend time with you until you demonstrate this much value. They have to go through and learn and dig deep. But there's another sense of community and connection early on. And wouldn't it be lovely if you want to learn to just click here to contribute? And it spends up an environment to hopefully increase the number of Ed CD contributors. There's not a lot of them and we need them. Or trying to tackle some of these documentation issues where you bring up the working documentation all inside the browser and it says, here's a list of good issues. But they don't have to have any software to get started. It's all browser based and it's all to be customized. So in this particular instance, I've made a custom image for my container called II pod, Kube Day TLD. And so I'm going to say, yes, that sounds great. I'm going to check out a Git repository at sharing.io slash sharing.io. And sharing.io is where I have placed the code for the website that is now down. We're going to, no problem, we're going to bring this up today together. And then, because I've come from a world where we have Emacs and these other tools, there's just different types of ways of telling stories. You can have a text file, you can have a store book or you can have, but there's a type of literature called, what was the name? I call it executable literature, but there's also some other names for it. Literate programming is probably the most accepted version of that. And it's where you write the story of how the code is supposed to run and include snippets of code. And when you tangle it all together, the code is written. And so some of this is about how do we tie together the humans who would like to use the code to something meaningful. So I'm going to share an org file that is our demo. And if you notice, the name of that file is the file on the left that is demo.org because this is kind of a reentrant thing to kind of show you how to do this yourself. So this talk is both some demo and an invitation for you to do this too. So when you get to the point that you have done this, reach out to me on Twitter or the CNCF or the Kubernetes Slack or any of those places. I'm hippie hacker, HH. I'm super easy to find. So I'm going to create a new workspace. I don't like to call it work. I just like to call it spaces because maybe we do things in communities that aren't work. So I'm going to confirm to create the Kube Day Televive II pod. And it's on its way up now. Inside of this will be our deployment. And if we go over to, what was the website? Again, it's sharing.io. So on sharing.io, and I think I forgot my clicky-clicky. If anybody wants to bring up on their own computer or phone the sharing.io slides, I have a trick that I can show you. I can pull up my phone. We've got this thing. So I can, the laptops these days, they don't have any USB ports that are, pardon me, I forgot to plug this in earlier. So I used to be called instant infrastructure. And so this is the, trying to create instant infrastructure for innovation. I'm hippie. And I have the, in the org file we'll see later, there's actually a slide that has some chat GPT code. And when you execute it actually finds the red ball and brings that up. And this is a presentation I gave it. This is less about this particular set of slides. But I will tell you a fun story about hippies free software from, this would have been 1994, five. I was at university and I wanted to be able to make some money with free software open source. And I downloaded the CD ROMs and I put them on the ISOs and I put them on a backpack. And I went to, it was called the first Saturday in Dallas. And it's basically where the community of, of ham radio operators kind of turned into a group of, of people that got computers and sold them. So a lot of hackers and a lot of, so you're rocking around with this backpack. And I'm saying free software, five bucks. And it's kind of fun because 30 years ago I was able to provide this value as a student. And the blueprints were available for all of us to change. It wouldn't, it's just source code sitting somewhere. It's not as meaningful as they're getting into, into people's hands. And I was paid to learn something like 300 bucks one Saturday by walking around with free software. So I'm going to back out of that piece because this, this was less about getting that website up and more to show you all the command line interface for what we've been doing. That we created that pod and brought it up. I'm going to list a number of spaces. I've actually brought up quite a few spaces today. And I've done some stuff with David and Aviro. And they're at Okteto, Okteto and Web Riot. And so we created PRs together and co-authored our commits, which was kind of fun. We really, really enjoyed that. In addition to having all of these spaces that we created together, we can configure our SSH to just use the plain SSH command to connect to these. Whether they're in some Kubernetes pod, this pod could be inside of like kind. Or it could be on a Windows box. Or it could be on a Mac. It could be anything that we can deploy. The SSH config, I don't make this a little bit bigger so we can see it over here. This is an SSH config file that has a bunch of entries for the different spaces that we created. And if you're, what it allows is things like this. So I can SSH into this brand new, I'm going to move this back over so we can see it better. This allows us to SSH directly into any infrastructure that we're able to provision. And now we're inside of this new space. And if you'll notice, we have sharing.io checked out. And it's got that index HTML. And it's also got that demo.org, which will be interesting in a minute. Because down here, I've got some headings that include generating the links necessary to connect directly to these provisioned spaces. And so I might as well make it easy for everybody to click on those spaces. So you can see that when I render that, it shows up as sharing.io demo.html. And this has the slides here. So if I go to that myself under sharing.io slash demo.html, we just created instructions, not only that you were able to see me walk through step by step here on stage, but I also created, exported it as HTML. I also was able to export it as slides. The front page you saw as the slides were part of that storytelling. This was part of that literate programming I was speaking about. Make this page bigger. So if you want to do this on your system, you can install Coder. Again, I like to call it space because it's not about just the coders. And you can create an instance or log into ours and list the template and create them. Now you're saying, well, this is all great hippie. But I still don't see anything that really interests me yet. But wait, there's more. All right, these Emacs and web and Coder all around the Kube day teal that I just brought up that's behind the website. You could go look at Coder if you want to use code. I hope I wrote that up. So this is VS code running on the web inside of that website. And we, I'm not, I don't know how to use this real well, but it it does things. I'm glad for that. And if we go go back, those are still just websites you're not from, but I want to show you some of you probably haven't seen before. And that's where we've actually brought up a new type of pod template. And this template didn't bring up a pod in existing Kubernetes cluster. It brought up on the fly real hardware. And I chose the data center based on the latency between this building and what was available. So I didn't have any in telecom. So I chose, I think Paris was the closest one. So this first one is another instance of that Emacs interface. And we can see that that's running here. I'm going to tear that one off for a moment. And this is actually, so one of the things that IEI does is we help the the CNCF to have programs like the Kubernetes conformance program. And that allows places like Google and Apple and Amazon and lots of other companies on the landscape to submit certification for Kubernetes. So we actually sell Kubernetes. But writing those tests can sometimes sometimes be hard. And getting the environment up can sometimes be hard. So we have, again, with our Emacs environment is this one way, but they said, I don't use Emacs. That's fine. Let's look at the sharing IEI demo again. We might replace the front page with this so that here's the instructions, right, for now. Down here, way at the bottom, we've got the VNC. So inside the VNC, it's actually a full desktop environment, with VS code and everything else. And within this environment, for example, here's landscape. And this is just running as a browser in a browser. But you could run any software here. Can someone go to cloud? What was it? Sharing.io slash demo.html. You can do it on your phone. It'd be kind of be fun if you did, actually. And then when you get to it on your phone, how somebody did, thank you very much. Could you rotate your phone a little bit? Because it's better, like, you know, it's landscape, right? Awesome. So I can actually go through here and I'm scrolling. So we're on the same page, whoever that is. And I will see page down. How do you do that? Let's choose one. So I'm going to just scroll down a little bit. Can you click on EdCD? Somebody click on EdCD. So we're able to be on the same page together and navigate. And so, but it's a little bit hard on the screen. So if anybody's got a computer, maybe we can back out a little bit there and tell me what you think the latency feels like. Because we do a lot of things where it's nice to type and look how license. But imagine if your machine is in a data center that has a 10, like there's four 10 gig links directly into the machine, it's got a much better connection than you do. And if you spin up a space for multiple people to connect to and pair, then you have this space that is an entire Kubernetes cluster. Because these deployments are actually full Kubernetes on hardware with own TLS ingress and everything. So right now I've just shown you nothing about the web interface of actually using this. Just the artifacts therein which was stuff you can get to via a Kubernetes ingress. But how do you actually use it? You could use that CLI or probably most people are just going to go to space.sharing.io and look at the templates. There's where you get the I iPod. I'll make one right now. And I'll create a workspace and I'll call it Monday. And you'll note that again like with the CLI there's a web UI and it says which container do you want to run? What code do you want to check out? And what storytelling file do you want to use? Just click on create workspace. It will come up pretty quick. I'm also going to go and create a metal one. Now this one has a lot more questions. And I'm going to call this Monday...Cube Day hardware. Right? And you can choose a data center where this is sitting. And you can also choose a machine size. And this can get up to really big including doing ARM boxes. Do you know how many projects have ARM stuff that they can't test because they don't have access to ARM? Well, this will allow our projects to be able to use ARM hardware donated by Equinix. This is all donated by Equinix. Including an OS of choice and an image and a project. I'd like to see more people contributing to EdCD please. It's like the XKCD article where there's this one person kind of holding up. It's like four of them, but it's still...it's not enough. So I'm going to create this workspace. And you'll notice between these two creations, this one's already up. And it's got this list of things that we provision. In this case, I don't know if you can see what the text says there, but it's a Kubernetes pod. And within that Kubernetes pod, it shows you the logs of everything starting up, which it came up pretty quick. And this is where we have that team up session over here. And I'll start up that Emacs as well. And again, they're just public websites. You can share these with your friend to say, please come and collaborate with me. And that allows us to do co-authored commit. So I'm going to bring these two up side by side. This is for the Monday that we just deployed moments ago. And there's actually a list of other windows, including Emacs down here. This is our demo that we had earlier. So you can actually go through this. I'm going to change the colors. You can change the theme. Notice it affects the web for the Emacs web for here. Now that this is up and running, I'm actually going to, this may sound weird, but I'm going to start another team up session. Because team up says this fun thing where you can actually select what window you're looking at. And so for our demo, if I'm over here and I go through this, it will actually run in that other web page. So again, you can do this demo super easily to help onboard people to your project and get through to being a co-authored commit. I want to save enough time for some questions, but I want to go ahead and show you all the workspaces we currently have on what they look like once they're done. So that I iPod metal that we brought up earlier, it's got two, I'm going to hide those startup logs for a moment so you can kind of see what all this is there. The I iPod is an equinex metal device. I'm going to make this kind of full screen. We're kind of going to explore this for a moment. This is an equinex metal device and there's keys to click on here to get your command to log in directly. And there's also the Novian C link and the expert Kube config. So you can download a Kube config to direct hardware that's not at a cloud provider. It's running directly with all TLS ingress because down here at the bottom you can see that we have an ACME wildcard certificate for STAR and the domain. So you get a dedicated domain for your environment or your shared space. And then all of these links to these different components. So I'm going to show you with these up what those what those are. And I think those are the same ones we made earlier on the demo. So this page here is again running inside of that that inside of that the box itself versus inside of the pod. So you have these two places to to work from including Docker like sometimes it's harder to get Docker and Kubernetes and cryo and then this is literally anything you come up with. And it's all inside of a GitHub repo inside of I'm trying to create a cloud native co-op for space templates. How do we create templates? And the two that we've looked at today are I iPod and Emacs sorry not Emacs pod it was I iPod metal. So I iPod itself is a pod that gets deployed the Kubernetes cluster that runs Coder. And the this one is a box that is a you can see we make this large enough. This is Equinix metal some fairly decent box sizes here. So I would invite you to explore with me like try this out and join that there's a channel on the CNCF slack because we're trying to go from single player mode to co-op mode. And here over here in the co-op mode channel is kind of where we aggregate around that. And our space templates for creating spaces where we are working together on that. So is there anybody has any questions is anybody want to try that out? Crickets. Say that again. Not all the ones exactly. It's a pretty deep back. I wasn't sure which audience I would have today. But it's definitely one of those things more of an interactive experience to actually go through and try this. Again it's free for the moment. And it's something like I work with the CNCF. So this is a product thing we're focusing on trying to provide to the projects. But the templates and the ability to demonstrate whatever your business is. To bring up an instance of your software that's custom for the person you're trying to sell to. Or the company you're trying to show here is a working website that is customized to show you with the value that we want to give you in exchange for money. Which is not too much different from.  Here's a super easy way to let us know you're interested and experience how to use it and experience how to contribute. To our projects here within the CNCF. Because we've got 200 projects for terribly long. And how do we make sure that all of our projects have. The space. To make it easy for people to contribute. So we've got five minutes left. If there are no questions I can let you all go home early. Cool. That's me.


Any adjustments to the agenda? I guess the only question I would pose is with some of the way the Act 127 is being pretty fluid. Would it be appropriate for us to discuss some updates before we go over the budget? Do you want to do that? I think it has, it's in this whole pre-trial stage. Even whatever is how. Okay, all right. Okay, so if we don't have any adjustments, just need a motion to approve. So move. Okay, it's moved. Second? Any further discussion on it? Okay, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Rodney, good. Yep, hang on. Aye. Okay. All right, we have a board comment. Is there anything that the board would like to bring up that's maybe not budget related? Okay, here and done. Close that. And we're on to the informational meeting with the budget. Just quick controls there. Sure, if you want. Just intro's of people that's here. Yeah, so we have, we have all, I didn't see Peggy jump on yet. We have all the board members in attendance, except for Peggy, so Andrew, Chris, Ed, Rodney, Nancy, and on the administration end of things, we have Jamie and Tara, Jeff here, and I don't know. Onda's not here. Onda's not here, nope, okay. So the presentation that we have, we're gonna go over, it's on the fiscal year 2024, 2025 budget. So what does the 2425 budget support? It supports the current staffing that we have in our buildings, an increase of 1.0 to provide middle and high school tech education, a 0.4 FT increase to the reading and math interventionist, and this will allow the ability to assign a 1.0 math interventionist to the middle school. We've added a 1.0 FTE social worker to provide wraparound support services for students and families. We've also added a 1.0 FTE student support coordinator for the elementary campus, and a 1.0 FTE administrative assistant to the guidance department. We have a one time purchase of classroom instructional materials, and then the annual contract for student transportation services provided by Tri Valley Transit, which allows students to access after school programming and provide additional opportunities for transportation for tuitioning students coming into Wright River Unified District. And one of the costs allocated to these changes in the budget, the new positions are $434,914. One time spending of $51,400. And then the overall budget increase on the line items for health insurance, salaries, increase in supplies, cost for utilities, all of those other lines in the budget was $927,264 for an overall increase of $1,413,578. So those of you that are following along in your books, if you have your annual meeting books with you, this is a summary of the tax sheet. So the budget overview and change from fiscal year 24 to fiscal year 25. Again, that increase is $1,413,578 or 10.9%. We have a reduction in local revenue of $9,151 or 0.7%. Act 68 education spending equals an increase of $1,422,729. And just a reminder of what that is, that's what we actually collect from the Education Fund. So new this year, what you're gonna get into in the following slides is our long-term weighted average. This used to be known as our equalized pupil. So for RUD and the new increase in 2024 versus where we are in 2025 gave us an increase in our long-term weighted average of 64.74. So we take the Act 68 education spending. We divide that by the long-term weighted average and that gives us our per pupil spending of $11,950.42, which is an increase of $629.74 over the current fiscal year. So just a little bit of a review for folks and you've been reading it in your papers quite a bit in regards to my pill year and changes that occurred back in 2022 to how we fund education and that Act was Act 127. And it was an Act committed to improving equity across Vermont schools by adjusting the school funding formula. And in White River Unified District, the new weights as compared to the old weights did provide for greater tax capacity. And we're gonna get into showing you how that played out because your equalized tax rate actually is gonna go down. What's contributing to your overall increase in taxes is a decrease in the common level of assessment. And so we're gonna walk you through all that here later in the presentation. But in general, the new weights accounted for things that they didn't in the past. One is that it provided greater weight now for middle school students as compared to previously acknowledging that students in middle and high school tend to cost more for us to educate. Two, it now provided additional weights for students who would have qualified for free and reduced lunch. And in White River Unified District, we are well over 60% in free and reduced lunch percentages now, K through 12. And so that increased our pupil count. Students that are served, that English is in their second language now count for about two and a half students as compared to prior. And there's also some weights that occurred in regards to population density across the state that school districts in rural communities also gained some additional tax capacity acknowledging that there are some things that challenges in more rural area communities in regards to the cost of education. And so in general, White River Unified District gained some pretty good tax capacity due to Act 127. The next slide talks about some other provisions that were provided via Act 127. That's what you've really been reading about. And so to limit the tax rate increases for districts losing tax capacity as a result of Act 127, they provided a five year provision in Act 127 that would result in if a district spent less than 10% in spending per pupil difference between FY24 and FY25, that their equalized tax rate would be capped at 5%. What the legislature realized fairly quickly in this new term is that due to that provision, what it was resulting in is that the ed fund was gonna have a shortfall because if a district is spending well over their 5% equalized tax rate cap, that money has to come from somewhere. And a reminder that it's a statewide ed fund. So if a district's only paying 5% of an equalized tax rate cap, but they may actually be spending on the upwards of 8%, that 3% difference is made up across the rest of the remaining districts that haven't hit the cap. And the way it's made up is an adjustment of the yield which we'll get into here in a minute. That is the real lever that the state has to generate more revenue into the ed fund. The more the yield drops, the more everyone else's tax rate that wasn't already at the 5% cap goes up, okay? And at White River Unified District, we're actually three cents under your equalized tax rate. So there was a lot of room there that they could have still dropped the yield and it would have contributed to increased taxes for you based on nothing being done here locally in your district. There is now a bill that's been introduced. It's called H850 and that bill is being reworked to remove the cap and to provide some other transitional incentives around tax decreases for districts that lost capacity. And it waits to be seen, but we anticipate that some version of H850 will pass and be signed into law here in the next couple of weeks. Get out of the Appropriations Committee. Yes, yeah, I went to the House floor yesterday. So I'm gonna hand it, as far as Act 127 too for those that are on, know that it's complicated. Please feel free to reach out to one of your board members and or central office and we're more than happy to walk folks through it. But in general, the thing to know is that under Act 127, there were definitely, we gain pupils. It's a good thing for White River Unified District. Your equalized tax rates actually down and we'll walk you through that here in a moment. So the slide that's on the screen now are actually the impact of Act 127 for White River Unified District. So the fiscal year long-term weighted average for 24 was that 1038 that I showed you on a couple of slides ago in comparison to what your equalized pupil was, which was 566.94. So that's that tax capacity that Jamie's referring to. And then your fiscal year 25 long-term weighted average again is that 1095.42 that we showed on the prior slide. So this is just a quick remembrance on how we actually get to your tax rate. So in the previous slides, I showed you what our expenditure budget was, subtracted out our local revenue and that gave us our Act 68 education spending. We divide that by the equalized pupil now the long-term weighted average and that gives us our per pupil spending. So once we get that per pupil spending, we then divide the per pupil spending by the yield and that gives us the district-wide equalized tax rate. Once we get the district-wide equalized tax rate that's then divided by the common level appraisal for each individual town and that gives you the projected tax rates that's going to be on your property tax bill. So what is the yield? The yield is the factor that's used to convert your per pupil spending in your equalized tax rate. It's adjusted depending on how much the state needs to collect via property taxes to fund the Ed fund as Jamie just mentioned. The projected yield we get initially is provided by the tax department and we get it on or around December 1st each fiscal year for the following fiscal year. In January, we were notified after some recalculations of the Ed fund that the yield projection was actually going to be lower than what was provided in the December 1st letter which is that 9,171 is the yield that's also used in your budget presentations throughout your annual mailer. In February, we since received an additional projected possible scenario of the yield. So last week actually we were provided one that had a slightly higher yield brought it up to $9,679 which will show what that means in the following slides. The final actual yield is set by the legislature as they get closer to the close of the session. So we don't normally know the final yield until May, sometimes early June. So this slide here shows the implications of the fluctuating yield. So again, different scenarios we have three different yields currently on the table with a fourth one potentially more still out there. So again, you take your per pupil spending divided by your yield and that gives us our equalized tax rate. So the current projected per pupil spending in your budget mailer is that 11,952 and that current yield at that time was 9,171 gives you an equalized tax rate of 1.3031 and then we show you what your fiscal year 24 equalized tax rate is. So we're going down that slide. The December 1st yield was 9,452 and that gave us an equalized tax rate of 1.2643 which is actually a reduction of 7.47 cents. The January revised yield was 9,171 again that's what's in your mailer gave us an equalized tax rate of 1.3031 a reduction of 3.08 cents and then using that potential yield that we received last week of that 9,679 would give Rudd a projected equalized tax rate of 1.2347 which is actually a reduction of 9.92 cents and then whatever the final yield may be. Just to chime in real quick you can see with how different those scenarios are but it was a challenge doing the budget season this year because we try and do what we can we keep taxes down we're not trying to keep them as level as possible while also providing the resources that school needs and it's difficult when you have these changing scenarios and so it's really when the challenging season can be it was very uncertain as to what kind of the results of what we were doing was going to be. So based on the February, the last February projection if the revision to Act 127 goes through what are we thinking that that change may be from the February projection? So they were counting on that change going through so that is if that goes through. And just to clarify for folks why would that go why does that change? They're expecting but districts to amend their budgets in decreased spending due to the cap being removed. And so if there's less spending and the fact that all local districts would actually be paying taxes up to the rate that they spend not capped there's not as much of a budget shortfall for the ed fund to have to make up. My sense is that it's gonna be somewhere between that nine, four, five, two number in the nine, six, seven, nine number. I'll go on the record of that and we'll see where it plays out by the name. I wouldn't bet on that. But my sense is it might be between there. Factor again. So once we get that equalized tax rate for the district we then go to the individual towns and we take that equalized tax rate and we divide it by the town's common level of appraisal and that gives us the projected tax rate on your property tax bill. So as you can see in both of our towns we've had substantial decreases in the common level of appraisal dating back to the fiscal year of 21. For this current fiscal year you are at 88.40% in Bethel and 85.44% in Royalton. The common level appraisal for fiscal year 25 dropped to 79.77 in Bethel and 79.44 in Royalton. So the two tax rates that are shown there are using both of the yields that we just looked at at the next slide. So potentially on the Bethel your tax rate could be between 1.6335 or 1.5478 and then in Royalton 1.6403 or 1.5442 and we go into further detail in some of the following slides. So this is just a different view of the decline in the common level of appraisal going back to the 1819 fiscal year. So this slide here is going over the summary and implications of the changes for both the January yield, that $9,171 that's in your budget mailers versus that $9,679 projected yield for February. So again, the change in the per pupil spending that we reviewed a couple slides back was $629.74. The equalized tax rate, depending on which yield we move forward with is a reduction of 3.08 cents for the January yield and 9.92 cents for the February yield, which gives you a final tax rate in Bethel, change of 12.46 cents using the January yield or 3.89 cents using the February yield. And in Royalton, the change in the final tax rate and using the January yield is 7.91 cents or a reduction of 0.07 cents for the February yield. So then down below, we've provided a potential dollar amount to each of those cents based on $100,000, $250,000 and a $500,000 home. Again, the yellow are the Bethel in Royalton using the January yield and the green is the Bethel in Royalton using the February yields. Yeah, so we've just tried to break down for folks like locally what's actually in the school district board's control versus what's provided and or dictated due to the statewide ed fund. And so you can see really the general budget for us in our local revenues. That's really what's in our control, okay? The other big factors though that contribute to the tax rate are the calculations made via the long-term weighted average daily membership that occurred via Act 127. The property dollar yield is a huge one and a reminder that that is not set by the legislature until May typically, okay? And then finally that common level of appraisal. So I hope as we've gone through this, one of the things I wanna really leave folks is is that Act 127, the yield, our local education spending in all those scenarios we've provided though is actually a decrease on the tax rate. What any increase that you're seeing in your taxes this year at this district are all contributed due to the significant drop in the common level of appraisal that we saw. And a reminder that the common level appraisal is really about what our home values are valued at, assessed at currently versus what the state is saying that they would actually be valued at on the market. And it's the adjustment that the state makes in order to make certain everyone's paying what they see as their fair share of taxes into the ed fund. It's also on a three year average. So the challenges we have is, so right now the averages are being used over at 21, 22, 23. Most of the movement in the real estate market happened majorly in 22 and 23. 21 was actually a stable year. So the challenge we have not just this year but we're gonna have it again next year is that we're gonna lose our one stable year next year. So 21's going away, so we have 22 and 23 which are unstable and then what brings the market this year. So there's likely gonna be more adjustment downward unfortunately, not to be the bearer of the bad news but just being realist of the common level appraisal. And the only way that's gonna get back to zero is well, Bethel's already in the process of doing reassessment. So probably many of you have been contacted already by the person that come out this year and reassess your property. So kind of resets the local market. And then Royalton isn't currently in the process of that. Now because typically you have triggers so if it goes over 110% or if it dips below 85% it's usually a trigger to reappraise. But it happens so fast in a year and a half process and these reappraisal processes take years. They're not, it's not a next year we'll do it. So like for instance for Bethel we started the reappraisal process two years ago moving forward, lining somebody up to come and do it. They have a long list of lots of people. So, and we're just starting ours this year which will go this year and next year. So Bethel will still be in the reappraisal process into next year so we won't be able to use any reset. So you're gonna be waiting until 2025 to be able to get that. Now Royalton has changed so drastically and they hadn't started the process that they're probably gonna be starting the process which means you're a couple of years out on that. And then the, I don't know what the act was but the mob failure had set foot stricter parameters for reappraisal triggering that will happen every six to seven years now rather than be a benchmark. So those are some of the things that's coming down. But like Jamie said, if you take what we can control the budget, the budget really was gonna be a seven cent savings. We actually talked at the board about taking five of those cents and put them away for a rainy day or you're using them towards infrastructure and still giving a savings of two. And then the common level appraisal just kind of blew up. So now we're left scrambling. Now, regardless of what happens here, I mean if we get stuck with the higher amount, we still have to put it in perspective that our district is in a way better position than most of the other districts. I mean, in Bethelow, if it did go up 12 cents, there's districts that are talking 20 and 30 and I even heard a 40 cent district. So there was lots of movement on that. So the rest of the slides are going over the other articles on our annual warning just to kind of give a heads up what they each mean. Article one is to elect a moderator. Article two is to elect the school district clerk. Article three is to elect the school district treasurer. Article four is to hear and act upon the school district officer's reports which will be a presentation much more detailed than this one. Article five is to set your school district officer's salary. And then article six is to set your school district treasurer's salary. And then article seven is our tax anticipation note article which allows the district to borrow money in anticipation of revenue coming in from taxes and from the three payments that we get each year from the Ed fund. Article eight is our actual budget article. So that's the articles currently reading shall the voters of the school district approve the school board to expend 14,382,093 dollars which is the amount the school board has determined to be necessary for the ensuing fiscal year. It is estimated that this proposed budget if approved will result in education spending of 11,950 dollars and 42 cents per equalized pupil. Article nine is our article to the voters asking them to allow us to transfer the 900,000 dollars projected from our fiscal year 23 surplus of 997,660 dollars to the White River Unified District Capital Improvement and Maintenance of Facilities Fund and that's what we've done with our surplus for the last couple of years to get that set aside for our future capital improvements which are highlighted in another couple slides. So this gives us a current projection of the capital projects reserve fund. So at the close of fiscal year 23 that balance was 1,441,810 dollars. Board approved us to utilize 181,262 dollars and 50 cents for the EEI projects that had happened this last year at both campuses. In the fiscal year 25 budget, if that budget is approved there is a $40,000 transfer built into that budget and then if article nine is approved that gives us that extra 900,000. So the proposed fund balance at the beginning of fiscal year 25 would be 2,200,547 dollars and 50 cents. And then this slide here is some of the work that is in the pipeline for White River Unified District. Chris, do you wanna go over that side? Do you want me to? I can go over that. I think the other thing that might be pertinent to talk about is kind of how have we come up with this balance left over and because I think the common information that I'm getting from people is, well they're saying back in their budgets and they got now 800,000, $900,000 that they could have taken out of the budget and made the tax rate less. So the biggest things that the movers of the reason why a majority of that money is available to us is, well two things. We've had a lot of COVID money that's been injected into the state and there's opportunities to use that COVID money. Some people decided to add amenities, build on things that they have that would be sustainable, like hiring on, going different ways where you're gonna have it in your budget for many years. We have taken more of an approach of, let's do one-time things, not things that we're gonna have to pay on over and over and over and we've been using that money to, we have been using that money to fund places that we typically would fund, but we've been using that money and instead of us funding that mechanism we've been taking that money and saving it. So now, for anybody that's followed the school board in the last half a dozen years is we didn't have any money years ago. So we were always in negative draw going back to the voters and saying, I'm sorry, but we're gonna need another $400,000 this year and Lisa's here so she knows all about that. We've had to do that and it was really rough back then. Now we have very responsible budgets and we've acted on those budgets responsibly and we have not taken this one-time care of money from the feds and went and just went on a spending spree with this thing that's gonna pay for, we'll be paying for years. So we've decided to reasonably, let's save this money and let's put money into our schools that we all know needs work. So we have started that as you saw some of the work that we did do this year and again, we're being careful with their money. We're not just going to say, we got $2 million, let's see what we can buy. We're seeing how can we leverage that money? A lot of the infrastructure work we did this year, there was grants, there was education money linked to that. A lot of it is like net zero. So anything that we put into something where you can get back over a short period of time. So we just did, what was the total amount of the projects? 1.6 and change. 1.6 of which we contributed 181,000. So those are good match dollars. And we have a list of, as anybody that's been in the schools, there's quite the list, but we're working on it. We can't write the ship in one day, but we can build on. One thing, somebody had talked to me like, oh, you guys are gonna have $2 million in the bank. And I said, well, put it in this perspective. Woodstock right now is thinking about putting a $99 million new school. So $2 million versus $99 million is not really a lot of money. I mean, if you think about everything that you need to do. So some of the things that we are looking on that we will looking for is we're gonna be putting forward a bond vote in November. So we're pretty excited that we're looking at upgrading. Well, we have established as a board that we need the three A's to make our schools successful. We have a lot of traction in our schools right now. The numbers are up, kids are wanna come, tuition is up, and we wanna keep it there and grow it. So what we've been doing is working on the three A's. Now everybody kind of assumes that academics is like a given, right? So we've been working on kind of the eye candy. So Jeff has been working night and day on sports. We're swag, you know, wildcats everywhere right now. People are excited, they wanna be a part of that. And the next piece that we're working on right now is the performing arts piece of it. And in order to actually have performing arts is we need a center to do the work. Kind of if you build, they will come. So we're looking at putting a performing arts center on to the wing of the high school. We've also identified that there are some entrance ways at both campuses that are both not secure and not energy efficient. So they should have dual entry, not single entries. The high school only has really one entry, which is front. So we're looking at putting a dual entry in the back, which would be convenient for the kids. And over at the middle school here, we have the main entrance, which is only a single. I mean, you can literally see the air flow through the doors if you're there tonight. And do a little bit of stuff around the elementary school. And then we have also identified to do some ventilation in the library. I don't think, are we still doing the cafeteria one? Or are we just kind of, I think we're just gonna push the library one at this point. And then we have other things that we want to continue to build upon. And that's why we're saving money for later dates. And like you said, we're trying to leverage that money. Now, some cool things we have already for the bond vote is we're not gonna be going to the voters asking for the total amount of the bond. We have gotten some substantial amount of people that have donated money, and we'll have some match money. So we're looking at not just asking the taxpayers for everything, that we have some really significant donors that wanna see this happen. And we plan on leveraging some of this money towards that project. And then save some of this money for our future. All the windows need to replace at some point. We gotta do boiler replacement over in South Railton. And then there's just all the other things that we wanna do. There's parking lot paving and different things like that. So I think short term cited, taking the $900,000 and buying down the tax rate works for people. But if you really want to continue to invest in the school, we have to be a long-term thinker. We have to save this money. This money, we're not gonna be seeing many more budgets going forward where we say, hey, we got another $900,000. That money is drying up. And that's some of the reasons why schools are in trouble right now across the state of Vermont with that 127. Some of it is the revenue sharing piece of it. But some of it is that they grew their budgets.  Now they gotta make the big boy decision and should we start cutting it now? So then Article 12 is actually your Australian ballot article. So that is your election of members for the School Board of Directors. There are four two seats. I don't know why I got four there. I gotta fix that. There are two seats open. There's a Royalton one director for three years, which Peggy Ainsworth is on the ballot for. And then Bethel director, which there wasn't any petitions submitted. So for that, you're gonna vote by Australian ballot and that's gonna be on Tuesday, March 5th, beginning at eight and ending at seven. And that's handled at both campuses, depending on which town you reside in. And that will be at the Bethel small gym and then the Royalton gym. And then you can also request absentee ballots from your individual town clerks. Royalton small gym. Sorry, Royalton small gym. I always twist it. Our gym is small. I always twist those two around. Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah, and just a reminder folks, that the vote on all the other articles other than that Australian ballot article is the night before here in Bethel. We are providing dinner prior to the vote at five and child care will be provided to that evening at six for the annual meeting on that Monday night. Any questions at the board level in regards to the budget? We can probably handle any type of public questions under the public comment period. So if everybody's good with the agenda item number four we'll get five, which is public comment. So we'll open it up to public comment. I can't really see how many people are on, but typically depending on how many people want to participate, we'll try to keep it in the three to five minutes per person. If there's not as many people, we can expand a little bit. Someone raised their hand. Was that in the book? I do not believe it's been added into the online platform, but the presentation itself is not. Kathleen, yeah, that particular slide, I'm not certain whether that was in your mail or not, but it is on our website and it'll be in our presentations as we move forward. Yes, it is, it's page 22 of your mail. That is not color. It's not color, it's not color. If you want the color version, it's right on the website at WRVSU and it's under Act 127, it's a tab. Anybody else?  And for some reason, if you're like me and can't find the hand button, then you can unmute yourself and just say your name if you unmute. Tammy? Hi, can I hear me okay? You're getting echoed, but yes. Is that any better? Thanks, though. Okay, the $900,000 you mentioned, where is that on this slide? On what slide? On the slides that we're talking about, that was number, well, it was talked about as article number nine, which I don't know what page it is. Which also, there was a slide that says Capital Projects Reserve Fund, so 19 and 20. So the Capital Projects Reserve Fund kind of shows the money to date that has been in or out, as well as the 900,000 that under article nine that we're looking at adding to the Capital Reserve Fund. So like I was trying to discuss, the idea behind that is we're looking at, we have definitely a bunch of infrastructure projects that we are currently looking to do and there was a short sheet that said Future Facility Work. I don't know what page that was towards the end. So those are projects that we're looking to do and what we would do is we'd put this money aside in our Capital Fund project and then when we have the opportunity to best leverage those funds towards, we're looking for grants, we're looking for matching money that might come from the Department of Education or outside funds or in the case of the Performing Arts Lab, we have people that are looking at donating funds towards that project. So however we can best leverage funds for projects. So I guess instead of going out and paying 100% for a project for us to do, so I'm just gonna make it up. Let's say we could replace all the windows in the Bethel campus for a million dollars. Instead of us going out there and just spending a million dollars on the windows out of our Capital Reserve Fund for Bethel, we have our feelers out there to see are there grants out there for window replacement? Every once in a while, Jamie in the Educational Department has money, as there are things that potentially can be used for some projects. Rather than spend 100% of our local money, we look to leverage that. So can we find somebody that is gonna pay 50% of that? So then we only have to pay 50% of it? Nope. And Tammy, we are rolling out Capital Deferred Maintenance and Preventive Maintenance Plans here in the next month that will capture all that. But easily that one slide, like for an example, we've been quoted that just replacing the windows in Royalton is a million dollars. But we will be rolling out prior to town meeting, there'll be drafted plans around our deferred maintenance needs and dollar figures associated with those. So the good news is, when we ask you to vote on that 900,000, you'll have those plans that the board will be able to share as well. And one good example, Tammy, that we have used this year, we talked about leveraging funds, I guess would be the word, is the 1.6 million dollars with the work that we did at the Bethel campus and the Royalton campus, we ended up contributing 181,000 towards that. So rather than us paying the full 1.6 million, we've paid 181,000 towards that 1.6 million. And the remainder of that money came through grants, matching money, some education money, performance control. Yeah, so just to chime in real quick. Sorry, Tammy. So just to clarify a little bit, the $900,000 is surplus from last year's budget. So the voters had approved, I don't remember the exact number, but you know, somewhere around a net $12 million. So like $13 million is spending with $1 million of revenue somewhere around there. And in the end, we had more revenue than we were expecting and lower expenses than we were expecting. So we had $900,000 leftover. By law, we either have to put that money aside and save it for later, or use it to lower the tax rate this year. We are suggesting that rather than using it to lower the tax rate this year, we put it aside because we know we have these large capital expenses coming up. And when we say the Capital Improvement Fund, that's just a renamed Building Reserve Fund. It always used to be called the Building Reserve Fund. When we combined the Bethel and the Royalton Building Reserve Funds, we made it a Capital Improvement Fund because it's a little more flexible with what we can use it for.  So deferred maintenance and capital maintenance. Do those show up on that slide of summary things? Well, so these are projects that we know that we have, but we haven't gone out and gotten bids on them or anything yet. We're in the process of doing that. So- Let me rephrase, driving the slides, can you go back to that summary slide sheet? I think it's the next slide, yeah. Slide 21. This future facilities work, is this the deferred maintenance and the capital maintenance that was mentioned? It's part of it. There's more to it than that, but it's part of it. And those are some of the priorities in the next upcoming years. Yeah, this is kind of the most pressing things that we're expecting to do in the immediate future. There's gonna also be other things that come up going forward. Okay. Somebody else had their hand raised. Well, I think that was Andrew. Is there anybody else that has a public comment? Okay, here and none. We'll move on from public comment. Is there anything else to be taken up with the board this evening? Not until our regular meeting. Not until the early of the meeting. All right. Do we need to adjourn that meeting? Yeah, we'll adjourn this one. And then start the meeting. Okay, so we'll just need a motion to adjourn the informational meeting for the budget to join the regular school board meeting. Second. Okay, move by Peggy and second by Nancy. They were fighting for it. All right. All in favor? Okay, aye. Round the aye. Okay. All right, thank you all. Thank you.