It is now time for Question Period. The leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier. Premier Section 11.8 of the Liberal Party's Constitution says you, the leader, must communicate your decision. Order, please. No interjections. I need to hear the question because I'm listening carefully. Constitution says that you as leader have to communicate your decision as soon as possible if you've made the decision to appoint a candidate. You claim you made your decision in November and you claim you told Mr. Olivier of your decision in December. Yet you didn't tell the Writing Association until January 7. Premier, why did you breach your own Constitution and wait for over a month to tell the Writing Association of your decision? Well, Mr. Speaker, again, let me be very clear and I've made this statement about my decision many, many times. It was well known, Mr. Speaker, that Glen Tebow was going to be our candidate in Sudbury. And, Mr. Speaker, the Writing Association president and nominations commissioner on the day of the by-election. I also want to hear the answers and I don't want any more interjections from the member from Timmins James Bay. That's when the paperwork was completed, but it was well known that Glen Tebow was going to be our candidate. Thank you. Back to the Premier. During question period, you have repeatedly said I had made that decision at the end of November. Once I had met with Glen Tebow, that decision was made. Yet Andrew Olivier told the OPP the conversation he had with you on December 11 was the same as the one he had had earlier that day with Jerry Law Heed Jr. In that conversation, he was being offered a job or a bribe to step aside as the candidate and to nominate Glen Tebow instead. Premier, if you made the decision in November, why didn't you tell Andrew Olivier on December 11 that there would be no nomination? Mr. Speaker, let me say once again that once I had had a meeting with Glen Tebow because I hadn't met him. After all, he'd been part of another party. He was making a decision about his future. At the end of November, I made a decision that he would be the best candidate for us in Sudbury. That was the decision that I had made. The paperwork was completed in January. It was well known long that Glen would be the candidate for us in Sudbury. Thank you, final supplementary. Premier, the taped conversations between Pat Sobera and Jerry Law Heed Jr. with Andrew Olivier stand in stark contrast to your statement, Premier, that Andrew Olivier was told before December 11 that he would not be the Liberal candidate. Premier, you have repeatedly asked for evidence to back up your version of events. Your letter of January 7 tears even more holes in your implausible story.  Tell Ontarians once and for all, did you authorize Pat Sobera or Jerry Law Heed Jr. to have those conversations with Mr Olivier? Mr Speaker, once again I take this matter very seriously and the member opposite knows that there's an investigation going on and that that investigation is happening outside of this process and I have to say that I actually agree with the PC House leader who on February 27 said this Mr Speaker he said that and I quote stop interfering in an ongoing investigation and let it run its course Mr Speaker. The fact is that there's an investigation going on. I am going to let that investigation run its course Mr Speaker but it's going to run its course outside of this legislature independently of the House Mr Speaker. Premier, Mr Speaker, Premier Associate Chief Justice Douglas Cunningham of Ontario Superior Court wrote, appointments to government offices are not to be traded for political favour. They are appointments that must be made in a fair transparent manner. Premier you tried to sneak an appointment or job offer to Andrew Olivier past the people of Ontario. It was not fair, it was not open, it was not transparent. Premier, again, did you direct Jerry Lahi Jr. and or Pat Sabara to offer Mr Olivier an appointment to step aside? Good question. Let me just again say I challenge the premise of the question and the statements that the interim leader of the opposition has made and I would remind him Mr Speaker that there is an investigation going on. I would also remind him of what the chief electoral officer said Mr Speaker that he said that he determined that the allegations against me and the member for Sudbury were baseless Mr Speaker. He went on to say and I quote, I am neither deciding to prosecute a matter nor determining anyone's guilt or innocence. Those decisions are respectively for prosecutors and judges unquote. He did not say that those are decisions for the interim leader of the opposition Mr Speaker. Those are decisions for the people who are involved in the investigation and I want to let that unfold as it must. Back to the Premier. Justice Tunningham has also said that the criminal code bribery provisions are aimed at preventing influence peddling in order to protect the public's confidence in the integrity and appearance of integrity of the government. Premier according to a recent poll the public's confidence in your integrity is pretty low. Two-thirds of Ontarians want your deputy chief of staff to resign. Premier, we restore some semblance of integrity to your office and step aside if charges are laid against either Pat Sabara or Jerry Lawey Jr. Mr Speaker, I made a statement two Fridays ago Mr Speaker. I said that I said that there were clear actions that needed to be taken if there were a charge laid against anyone and that Pat Sabara would step aside if that were the case Mr Speaker. That's in the public realm. I made it very clear but I also said Mr Speaker that there is an investigation going on. We need to let that investigation unfold and that investigation will unfold outside of this house Mr Speaker. Premier Your very own Jerry Lawey Jr. once said solution by fat cats in Toronto may not be the right solution for Sudbury but you made the decision Premier to appoint a candidate from behind your desk here at Queens Park and you were prepared to offer Mr Olivier a government appointment or job so he wouldn't stand in the way of your decision.  Premier I have said clearly that I will cooperate with the authorities that that investigation is taking place outside this house and we need to let it unfold there Mr Speaker and I will continue to work closely with the authorities as is the right thing to do Mr Speaker. Thank you. Your question. My question is for the Premier. On what date did the Premier provide the Liberal Parties nomination commissioner and Sudbury Riding Association President the written notice that she was appointing Glen Tebow as the Liberal candidate in Sudbury. Thank you very much Mr Speaker as the member opposite I think knows full well I have made many statements about my decision to have Glen Tebow as the candidate in Sudbury. I made that decision Mr Speaker after I met him at the end of November I think the member opposite also knows that I formally wrote to the Liberal Parties Association President and nominations commissioner on the day that the by-election was called. Mr Speaker that's when the paperwork was completed the decision was made much before that and it was well known that Glen was going to be our candidate. Well Speaker January 7th that's the date almost a month after Pat Cerbera and Jerry Loughey were taped offering Andrew Olivier anything he wanted to step aside almost a month after those phone calls were made on behalf of the premier almost a month after the premier's own conversation with Mr Olivier there is now written evidence in addition to taped evidence that the premier's story does not add up Speaker. Now I asked the premier will she have one more conversation with her sole Speaker this time about the need to come clean with the people of Ontario. Mr Speaker you know when I say it was well known that Glen Tebow was going to be our candidate it really wasn't that long ago there were newspaper reports it was quite it was quite in the public realm that Glen Tebow was going to be our candidate Mr Speaker so I would just say to the member she could check the record and she can it's true the paperwork was completed on the day that the election was called Mr Speaker but it was common knowledge long before that Glen Tebow was going to be our candidate. Thank you final supplementary. The premier insisted that she decided to appoint Glen Tebow long before the Liberal operatives were dangling jobs in front of Andrew Olivier but the premier's letter to the Liberal party makes it clear that she only appointed Glen Tebow after those attempts had failed this is a question that the premier has been asked 44 times but she has not given a straightforward answer yet. Who gave Pat Cerbera and Jerry Lawheed their orders to get Mr Olivier out of the way so that Glen Tebow could have an uncontested nomination. Thank you Mr Speaker again I will say that the investigation that's going on is going on outside of this legislature and it's very important that it be independent and that we let that unfold and in fact the NDP member for Timmons James Bay said last week and I quote you do have a larger responsibility to make sure you're careful in your use of words so that you don't interfere in any way I'm quote that's the member for Timmons James Bay Mr Speaker I think if the leader of the third party would just turn to her right and talk to the member for Timmons James Bay she would understand that it's important that all of us let the investigation take place outside. I made a decision at the end of November that Glen Tebow would be the best candidate for us in Sudbury Mr Speaker to confirm to make sure he heard me the member from Renfrew Nipissing Pembroke come door. New question the leader of the third party Thank you Speaker my next question is also for the Premier there is evidence that Andrew Olivier was offered any job he wanted in order to get out of the Premier's way there is evidence that Pat Sorbera were acting on orders from the Premier and there is evidence in black and white that the Premier made the decision to elect her candidate after attempts to get Andrew Olivier out of the way failed of course the Premier still claims that all this evidence is wrong does the Premier have any evidence to support her version of the story Speaker Thank you the Premier Well again Mr Speaker I challenge much of the premise of the leader of the third party's question Mr Speaker I made a decision at the end of November having met our candidate having met Glen Tebow that he would be the best candidate for the Liberals in Sudbury Mr Speaker the people of Sudbury made a decision the people of Sudbury voted for Glen Tebow and we have a new member on this side of the house Mr Speaker because he was the best candidate for Sudbury the people in Sudbury made that decision Mr Speaker I know that's painful for the third party I understand the degree to which that's painful Mr Speaker but the fact is the people of Sudbury made a decision there's an investigation going on and that investigation is going on outside of this house Mr Speaker Speaker any Ontarian with a computer or a smart phone can hear the tapes of Pat Sorbera and Jerry Lawheed offering jobs to Andrew Olivier on behalf of this Premier the OPP warrant is available publicly Speaker Elections Ontario reported it's finding that there is evidence that there is evidence that senior Liberals broke the elections act and that report is publicly available Speaker and now Ontarians can read about a letter showing that the Premier did deploy her candidate until after she found out that she could not get Andrew Olivier out of the way but in that growing mountain of evidence there isn't a single shred that backs up the Premier's version of event Speaker is there anything at all anything Speaker that the Premier can show us that backs up her version of this rivalry scandal from Sudbury thank you very much Mr Speaker well as I said it was well known long before the paperwork was completed that Glen Tebow was going to be our candidate Mr Speaker it was a matter of public record and as I have said the investigation that's ongoing is happening outside of this house we need to let it unfold in an independent way outside of the legislature Mr Speaker thank you Premier seems to be more comfortable answering police questions and answering questions here in the legislature it's getting quite ridiculous people actually deserve so much better than this they deserve to know that I did not get quiet for you to interject member from Tim and James Bay please finish your question they deserve to know that their politicians play by the rule Speaker and they deserve to know that the Premier of Ontario is going to answer questions and tell the truth without first receiving a subpoena or a warrant or being interrogated by the OPP what evidence does the Premier have back up her story Speaker Mr Speaker I agree with the leader of the third party that the people of Ontario deserve to know that their politicians are going to answer questions Mr Speaker and I will do that I will answer questions here and Mr Speaker I will work with the authority I have said over and over again Mr Speaker first that I made a public statement I made it clear Mr Speaker when I had made the decision and what that decision was that Glen Tebow would be our candidate Mr Speaker I have also said that I will work with the authorities absolutely in every way that they ask of me that they require Mr Speaker but I will do that outside of this house because that's where the investigation is taking place that's where the authorities are not here they are outside of the house Mr Speaker Speaker my question is to the Premier Premier are you familiar with this following quote I can't fire them simply on the basis of charges they have to have their day they have to have a chance to prove their innocence I have got to see more than this Premier does this quote sound familiar do you know what this quote is in reference to Premier Mr Speaker hold up I am sure that the member opposite is going to tell me chapter and verse exactly where that quote comes from in the meantime I will say to him that I've been quite clear that I will cooperate with the authorities I've been quite clear that there's an investigation going on outside the house and I made a statement Mr Speaker about my position on all of that two Fridays ago and I continue to I continue to reinforce that in response to questions from the opposition Mr Speaker Premier I'm surprised you don't know who said that even I was surprised it wasn't you and it wasn't even your predecessor although I'm sure he had said similar things many times it was disgrace president Richard Nixon discussing how he justified his actions in the David Frost interviews Order please Order please Last time Order please The the member is tiptoeing very closely to a rope he doesn't want to hang himself with and I don't need any other interjections Please continue Back to the Premier That's agriculture It sounds Watergate It sounds very very much the same phrase that we've been hearing from you Premier you do know how that story unfolded isn't your intention to disgrace this legislature the same way that President Nixon disgraced his career and the White House when he served Thank you Thank you very much Speaker I asked the member opposite whether he recognizes the following two quotes I really don't have a comment to make on this because it's before the course that you recognize who said that it was just yesterday that the PC member from Whitby Oshawa actually made that quote and we agree with her that when it comes to matter of anything criminal we should let the independent authorities do the investigation let me ask you another quote whether you recognize that following quote stop interfering in an ongoing investigation and let it run its course who said that that's the opposition House member from Leeds Cradle said that quote as well Speaker Speaker we know that we have a system in place in this province where if there are investigations that are ongoing there are by legislation an independent process that is undertaken by prosecutors and by police we should respect that process let that independent investigation takes place as opposed to commenting it in the House Thank you Thank you very much Mr. Speaker my question is to the Premier needs to tell him Terrence why she's insisting that she decided to point her Sudbury candidate in November in December the Premier's top insiders were dangling jobs in front of Andrew Olivier to get him to stop seeking the Liberal nomination at that point Andrew Olivier said there was no discussion about no decision about appointing the President of the Liberal Writing Association said he hadn't heard anything about the decision to appoint he said the Premier didn't want to appoint and Pat Sabara made it clear that there was no decision to appoint now here's a letter from the Premier showing that she was here's a letter from the Premier showing that there was no decision about appointing until January 2015 why is the Premier insisting one thing when every single piece of evidence points to something else Community Safety Protection Services Thank you very much Speaker and again I think the Premier has answered the same question on several occasions but let me just provide the member opposite once again a primer on how our system works when it comes to issues like this when it comes to for example any potential violation of elections Ontario X Speaker as we know the Chief Election Officer has the authority to do an investigation when he does an investigation if there is an apparent he refers that matter then to the Attorney General for the public prosecutors to determine whether or not there should be any further action taken the public prosecutor then does his or her own investigation into the matter to decide based on evidence whether there should be any charges or not and if there are charges then it's up to our judges in the course to determine whether the person is guilty or not. Speaker that is entire process is arm's length independent we should respect the process Thank you supplementary Well my question is back to the Premier and Premier this province this legislature doesn't need any primer from Liberals about how to follow her break laws because clearly you guys don't have a very good track record So I say again Andrew Olivier Bill Nermey, Pat Sabera Jerry Lawheed the Premier's own letter says that they all say that no decision has been made about appointing the Premier's choice and candidate in December in fact evidence shows that the decision didn't come until January why has the Premier been insisting she made a decision in November Minister I think in the same way we don't need any primers from the NDP when it comes to bringing progressive policies in this province that makes a difference in people's life because that's the party which voted against increases for our hard working personal support workers this is the party opposite the third party speaker that voted against raising the wages for childcare workers speaker this is the party across that voted against to increase the minimum wage and indexing it to cost of living that is the party speaker that voted against increasing to the childcare benefit we don't need lectures from the third party which has forgotten this progressive roof this is the party and this is the leader that is helping with which is bringing progressive policies to improve the lives of Ontarians every single day speaker and we will continue to do that and make sure that there is time and income security for hard working Ontarians as well the member will withdraw the member from Scarborough Legion Court Ontario's first responders healthcare professionals including nurses transit workers and correctional officers have made it very clear Ontario needs to do more to address traumatic mental stress in the workplace recently I met with frontline nurses and physicians in my writing of Scarborough Agent Court they share with me many challenges like complexive care and diversity of industries that frontline health professional face every day in their practice this past year across Canada first responders and others have been urging the government to take action to address this growing concerns traumatic mental stress in the workplace we have all heard about tragic incidents including firefighters and police officer have taken their own lives because they have not been able to get the help they need we all agree we need to act to prevent this trend from continuing through you to the minister what is the province doing to ensure employers are providing support to the employees who are suffering from traumatic mental stress thank you to the member speaker for that very important and very timely question I think any of us in this house that have a friend a colleague or family member that is dealing with traumatic mental stress post-traumatic stress disorder understands the devastating effect this can have on people speaker and speaker I would agree we need to do everything we can as a legislature as a province to ensure that workers get the support they need when they are forced to deal with work related traumatic mental stress there's a growing amount of evidence speaker that highlights a benefit of preventive initiatives when it comes to dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder our government takes this work related TMS very very seriously we engage the round table of experts on traumatic mental stress we've already begun acting on their proposed actions tomorrow speaker we're holding a summit on work related traumatic mental stress right here in Toronto to build upon the work of that round table actually speaker that's going to attract some of the best and brightest on this on this topic to Toronto I'd urge all members to try and attend for a portion thank you Mr. Speaker thank you to the minister it appears that our government is positioning ourselves in the right side of this issue and ensure Ontario's workplace have the tools they need to address TMS I recently read that mental illness costs on Canadian economies $52 billion annually in lost productivity and it is the number one cost of disability claims in Canada among those most disproportionately affected are health problems are new Canadians and recent immigrants they face many cultural and linguistic barriers both in the workplace and in trying to find proper treatment Mr. Speaker my writing of Scarborough Asian Court that number of specialised agencies that serve the diverse community like the Hong folk nurse practitioner clinics so the discussion takes place tomorrow in the summits of work related traumatic mental stress will empower participants to better serve my constituents and all Interians Mr. Speaker through you to the minister you mentioned earlier about hosting the summits tomorrow can you please elaborate what will they look like and who will be participating Mr. Speaker thank you again for the question from the member the government is bringing together workers employers advocates educators change leaders and experts from a wide range of sectors at this summit tomorrow here in Toronto more than 150 invited representatives will share the innovative approaches they have promote cultural change they'll learn from other industry leaders on how they can enhance mental health and the safety of their own employees now Speaker one of the highlights of the summit will be the keynote address by that great humanitarian Lieutenant General the Honourable Romeo de Lerre he spoke his first-hand experience with traumatic mental stress and if anybody's been an outspoken advocate Speaker it's him the main goal of tomorrow's summit is to guard a conversation on traumatic mental stress that conversation's already begun instead it's about elevating that conversation to a higher level I look forward to being part of it I hope I see some of the members that I'm hearing from at that summit tomorrow please remember from the Honourable Speaker I have a question for the Premier about the Sudbury by-election Ontario's Chief Collector officer was very clear that he believed there was an apparent contravention of the bribery statute contained within the election act your Deputy Chief of Staff at Subara is accused of bribery your back room liberal officer Jerry Lahi is also involved in the alleged bribery it's illegal to grant government jobs or other positions as a favour Premier why have you not removed Jerry Lahi and Pat Subara let me just remind the member opposite I'm sure he just neglected to read this part of what the Chief Electoral Officer said and he said I am neither deciding to prosecute a matter nor determining anyone's guilt or innocence those decisions are respectively for prosecutors I take this matter very seriously I take this matter very seriously there is while you were heckling I indicated that I wanted you to come to order carry on I take this matter very seriously and as the Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services has said there is a process that process is being undertaken at this moment but it's a process that takes place outside of this House Mr. Speaker that's where the investigation is taking place and that is exactly where it should take place back to the Premier in our society in the province of Ontario we all believe in the rule of law justice is blind no one is beyond it our rule of law is based on a set of strict principles to which we as a society all agree our rule of law is not arbitrary our rule of law is not subject to financial influence you your friends your hard operatives believe you are above the law the fact is if you break the law you pay the price we now have four OPP investigations into this alleged criminal activity and this reflects badly on everyone Premier for the good of all concerned and if charges are laying will you step aside Mr. Community Safety Protection Services Thank you very much and I really appreciate the member opposite talked about the rule of law because I wish his other members would recognize in our system of democracy what the rule of law means rule of law in our system creates a clear distinction between the exactive branch of the government and that of the judicial branch of the government by the same logic that the member opposite it is prohibited that the exactive branch gets involved in the judicial branch of the system that is the fundamental tenet of our rule of law we have a separate judicial process in place right now there are investigations that is ongoing and it is only the right and the legal thing to do is to respect those investigations and not to comment in this House Speaker so I urge all the members opposite let's get back to the issues that are important to Ontarian Speaker let's talk about issues that Ontarian is talking about like building good public infrastructure Speaker Thank you Mr. Speaker my question is for the Premier made offers to Mr. Andrew Olivier the Premier is on record as saying that's okay because she had already decided to appoint her chosen candidate she was just helping Mr. Olivier but the evidence shows something completely different the evidence showed that the Liberals were desperate to get Mr. Olivier to withdraw from the nomination so that they could have an incontested nomination meeting and the letter to the President of the Sudbury Writing Association shows that there was never any decision until long after the attempts to get Andrew Olivier out of the nomination meeting had failed will the Premier tell Ontarian the date when she decided to appoint her chosen candidate thank you very much Mr. Speaker well I know that there are members in the third party who understand that we have that I have the authority and the ability as the as the Liberal leader to appoint candidates Mr. Speaker and I made a decision after I had met Glen Tebow I've been pressed the Deputy House Leader is warned finish I made a decision that Glen Tebow was the best person to be our candidate in Sudbury Mr. Speaker and I made that decision after I had met him at the end of November and there is an investigation going on it's going on outside of this House Mr. Speaker thank you supplementary Speaker the statement from the Premier has kind of her twisted in a knot whether she's trying to explain that really honestly and for real she had decided to appoint a candidate in November but she didn't tell anyone she didn't tell her campaign director she didn't tell our local king maker in Sudbury she didn't tell her candidate she didn't tell our former candidate for writing association president or the Liberal party whose constitution makes it clear that she had to do so is the Premier going to admit the date when she decided to bypass the nomination meeting and go for an appointment because right now it looks like it's January well Mr. Speaker let me say again and the member opposite actually lives quite close to where all this is taking place and I think that the member opposite could if she looks back at the newspapers Mr. Speaker and she would know that it was pretty common knowledge that Glen Tebow was going to be our candidate so to suggest that that wasn't the case Mr. Speaker I think is just not accurate so I had made a decision Mr. Speaker that Glen would be this candidate for us in Sudbury there is an investigation going on it's going on outside of this house and I will I'll continue to cooperate with authorities Mr. Speaker Thank you Mr. Speaker Thank you Mr. Speaker My question is to the Minister of Economic Development and Primary and Infrastructure I've had the privilege of advocating on behalf of my community at the federal level and now I have the privilege to do the same at the provincial level this is a responsibility I take very seriously Mr. Speaker from knocking on doors in the past by-election my constituents clearly identified the Melly Drive extension as an important infrastructure project for our community I am now proud to say that I am part of a government that included this project not only in the past budget but as part of its submission to the federal Building Canada Fund so Mr. Speaker would the Minister of Economic Development Employment and Infrastructure please update this house about the important Sudbury infrastructure project Thank you Mr. Speaker Mr. Speaker it is so good almost refreshing to see a member from the Sudbury area asking questions that really matter to Sudbury it's with great pleasure Mr. Speaker that I can say and confirm that this government is fully committed to our share of the Melly Drive project we know that the project is very important to the people of Sudbury because it will reduce congestion along two of the city's main arterial roads in our 2014 budget our government committed up to $26.7 million for the first phase of the expansion of Melly Drive we highlighted this project again in our recent budget Mr. Speaker the NDP had an opportunity to vote for this project in the first budget they rejected it they had a second opportunity they rejected it again we're looking forward to hearing from the federal governments with an approval that Melly Drive can go through Thank you Mr. Speaker Thank you Mr. Speaker and I'd also like to thank the minister for driving this important project forward and I too remain optimistic that the federal government comes to the table and commits to this project however Mr. Speaker seeing first hand when I was a member of parliament the federal conservatives are not making adequate investments in infrastructure not just in Ontario but across the country they are short changing Ontarians and all Canadians Mr. Speaker fortunately this government and this premier prioritizes infrastructure Mr. Speaker our premier is calling for a new Canadian infrastructure partnership a collaboration that has the explicit target of investing 5% of GDP in infrastructure renewal so Mr. Speaker would the minister please inform the House about this drastic comparison between federal and provincial infrastructure spenders Thank you Mr. Speaker and the members absolutely right the federal government is not adequately investing in infrastructure since 2003 this government has invested nearly $100 billion in infrastructure and we are investing $130 billion in infrastructure over the next 10 years that will create 110,000 jobs across this province comparing our record to the federal government over the next 10 years our government plans to invest nearly 5 times more per capita in infrastructure than the federal government Mr. Speaker you'd be hard pressed to find a national government anywhere in the world doing so little compared to the provincial governments across this province our premier is absolutely right the federal government must commit more to a national infrastructure partnership projects like Mealy Drive The Ring of Fire Public Transit need the federal government to commit more so that we can continue to compete in this fiercely competitive department I just got hit here Remember from Renfrew and Nipissing Pembroke I'm glad to see your enthusiasm My question is for the premier Premier since the very beginnings of this Sudbury by elections Let's reboot Remember from Renfrew and Nipissing Pembroke Thank you Mr. Speaker Premier since the very beginnings of this Sudbury by election scandal many sad excuses for liberals behaving in unethical ways from the response in my writing and in fact from all across this great province I can tell you that Ontarians are saying that by your unwillingness to admit wrongdoing and dismiss those who are accused of criminal offences you are diminishing the high office you hold Later today our leader will address the house regarding his opposition to emotion will you finally accept responsibility for defending liberals under criminal investigation and acknowledge that if you will not have them step aside you are in fact breaching the public trust Deputy Premier Well Speaker I can assure the members opposite and anyone watching that we take this issue very very seriously we've heard the premier time and time again talk about how any investigation should be conducted by qualified people outside of this legislature in fact Speaker when asked about charges laid against a PC just as charges laid against a PC staff member just this week the PC member from Whitby Oshawa said I really don't have a comment to make on this because it's before the courts Speaker the PC House leader agrees with the members from Whitby Oshawa she said that to stop he said stop interfering in an ongoing investigation let it run its course so Speaker we actually take the wisdom from the members opposite he's discussing this in the House Thank you Speaker that was a sad and disappointing response from the Deputy Premier back to you during your leadership speech you said and I quote this is the time right now to show what we've learned from our mistakes that they will not happen again end quote by standing in the way of our opposition motion you will show that this is the same tired arrogant unethical liberal government that you inherited from Dalton McGinty you have put your own ego and the needs of your party before the needs of the people of Ontario Premier I ask you again will you acknowledge the breach of ethics and stop stonewalling our efforts to get to the bottom of the scandal and put Pat Sabara and Jerry Laheed in the penalty box at least until this investigation is complete Deputy Premier what I find to be very disappointing is that both opposition parties have for the last number of weeks asked the same question over and over and over again they have used their questions to do this month breaking instead of focusing on issues that matter now we have people from the credit unions here today speaker they've got important questions I think they'd like to be asking they'd like you to be asking us about questions that they're here to discuss speaker we've had various people here the children's treatment centers I bet they have questions that they'd like to be asking us you've asked the questions over and over again I think you're letting your constituents down by not asking the questions they want to hear answers thank you speaker my question this morning is for the Premier good morning Premier Speaker according to the evidence the Premier decided to appoint her handpicked candidate the same day that the writ was dropped if the Premier is claiming she decided to appoint her handpicked candidate in November why did she wait until the 11th hour to actually make that appointment so let's understand this question the member good morning the member is asking about why the leader of the Ontario Liberal Party didn't get the paperwork in when he thinks she ought to have done that now I think that's a pretty big stretch Speaker my colleague says a ridiculous question I wouldn't say it's a ridiculous question but it's not a question that pertains to government policy government business it's not a question I'll bet that the people in Windsor are wanting their members to ask Speaker it's not when I think what the Premier should have done why didn't the Premier follow the Liberal Constitution and inform the Liberal Party as soon as she made a decision to appoint a candidate it's in the constitution for God's sake Deputy Premier Speaker it's very clear that the nomination process in the NDP party or the New Democrat Party is not the same as it is in the Ontario Liberal Party in the Ontario Liberal Party because members of the party have voted constitutional rules that give the leader of the ability to appoint candidates the NDP just ran through the candidate they want they put someone in charge of the process and then that person Adam Gianbroni ends up running for that nomination I don't like your way of doing nominations but I'm not going to be stand up and ask you about your party constitution in this place Thank you. Good question Thank you Mr. Speaker My question is to the Minister of Finance Mr. Speaker I understand that today is Credit Union Advocacy Day We have members of Credit Union from across the province Park today and meeting with MPPs I had the wonderful opportunity to meet with members of Credit Union from my writing of New Market Aurora Meridian and telling me about the wonderful things they're doing in our writing they're telling us about the wonderful things they're doing in all of our writings Mr. Speaker it's unfortunate that the opposition are not asking questions about the good work the credit unions do and the important role they play Mr. Speaker through you to the Minister of Finance what is our government doing to support this critical industry Good question Thank you Mr. Speaker and thank you to the member for a great question the member from New Market Aurora has rightly cited how important the Credit Union in case popular are to the province of Ontario to their communities and to our economy we appreciate the outstanding work for all of us concerned and on behalf of all of my Liberal Caucus members and colleagues we recognize that in order for Credit Union to continue to do its good work we have to review its act and I'm very proud that our Parliamentary Assistant, Louder Albanese the MPP from York Southwest is doing a tremendous job of consulting with the communities right across Ontario in terms of what we should do to continue providing that investment those incentives for businesses to invest for consumers to build and create more jobs that wouldn't be possible without the outstanding partnership with our credit unions Thank you Mr. Speaker I would like to thank the Minister of Finance for that informative answer this review will assist Credit Union workers to continue to do their important work in building up Ontario's economy I know in my writing we value the work of Credit Unions I see the important contributions they make to my community day in and day out but Mr. Speaker can the Minister of Finance please provide some more information on this important review that he's requested of MPP Laura Albanese to lead Thank you Mr. Speaker Thank you again to the member Mr. Speaker there are over 118 Credit Unions in Ontario serving 1.6 million members employing over 6,000 people and holding over 40 billion dollars in assets they deserve to ensure that the government and partnership with them will do what's necessary for them to continue to succeed looking at deposit insurance coverage limits revisiting subsidiary ownership reviewing and adopting basal three capital requirements and inputs that they know is important enabling innovation so that we can all do better and ensuring that they are able to see the potential of our companies like the MUSH sector we hear you loud and clear they're not asking you those questions we will and will fight for you as well Mr. Speaker a reminder to all members that you're addressing your questions and answers to the chair and now that I have quite I'll say it again for those that didn't hear in this place you direct your questions and answers to the chair New question, a member from Snow Mountain Dundas and South Plain Gears. Thank you, Speaker. To the Premier, you did not inform the Sudbury Riding Association of your intentions to appoint a candidate for weeks, during which time your operatives, Pat Sabara and Jerry Lahi, allegedly tried to bribe your former candidate for an appointment, so that your liberal... Stop, stop. The Minister of Energy come to order, and everyone else. Please put your question. It's the time your liberal operatives, Pat Sabara and Jerry Lahi, allegedly tried to bribe your former candidate with a public appointment, so that your liberal nomination would go to your chosen candidate, Uncontested. You've reached your own party's constitution, and your operatives allegedly broke the law according to the chief electoral officer. However, you stated that after your review, you will likely be no charges. So when did you offer yourself the appointment as prosecutor, judge and jury? And when did you ask yourself what to give up in exchange for this? Question, thank you. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. And again, I challenged the premise of some of the statements that the member opposite has made. I've been very clear that I will cooperate with the authorities. I take it very seriously. I made a statement that laid out my position, Mr. Speaker. And I have said very clearly that this is an investigation that needs to take place outside of the House. I've also said very clearly that when I met, when I first met Glenn, I made a decision that he would be the best candidate for us in Sudbury, Mr. Speaker. And I think that was a very good decision, born out by the fact that the people of Sudbury chose him as their representative here at Queen's Park, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, back to the Premier. Your office is subject to four OPP investigations. At this pace, investigators will need their own reserve parking spot at Queen's Park. Your own candidates still trust you to come clean and have released recorded tapes for the truth to come out. Andrew Olivier could not have been offered an appointment without your blessing, because you would have to sign off on it. It shouldn't take the police questioning and leak tapes to get to the truth to the Premier of Ontario. Did you decide to offer Andrew Olivier a public appointment in the time between your decision to appoint Glenn Tebow as a candidate and your letter to the Riding Association? You know, when I say that the investigation is taking place outside of this house, what I mean is that there will be questions asked and answered by authorities, by people who are qualified to ask those questions, Mr. Speaker, and then come to conclusion. I understand the politics of what's going on here. I understand why it's important to the Conservatives to ask these questions over and over, because they don't want to talk about what's going on in their leadership race. I understand that. I understand why the MPs said, Mr. Speaker, and that they lost them. But I distract from the reality that we have a lot of work to do on this side of the House, Mr. Speaker. We have work in terms of investments. We have work in terms of getting a budget ready that will be in the best interest of the people of the province. I'll answer the questions that the authorities are asking, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. New question. Member from Tomiskemee Park. Thank you, Speaker. My questions to the Premier. Seeing as the Premier is unable to produce any evidence to back up her timeline of events, my constituents are wondering if she can provide any evidence on who gave Pat Cerbera and Jerry Laheed their orders to offer Andrew Olivier a job. Premier. I go back to my previous answer, Mr. Speaker, that I will answer and I will cooperate with the authorities in the investigation that's taking place outside of this House. And I understand the politics of what the NDP is doing right here, Mr. Speaker. They don't want to talk about their own process. They don't want to talk about the painful reality that we put in place a progressive plan that drew an NDP member from the federal party into our party, Mr. Speaker, that put in place a plan for Sudbury and all parts of the province, Mr. Speaker, that are in the best interest of the economy and in the best interest of people in their day-to-day lives. They don't want to talk about that, Mr. Speaker, so they're taking on the role of judge and jury, Mr. Speaker, in terms of work that is being done outside of this House. The investigation is happening outside of this House. I will cooperate with authorities, Mr. Speaker. In the meantime, in the meantime, Mr. Speaker, I hope that the members of the opposite understand that that's the appropriate thing to do. Once again to the Premier, I guess, openness and transparency has turned into deflect, deflect, deflect. Every piece of evidence points toward bribery, but the Premier says, no, we're only trying to help out our friends. The Premier has been asked to provide evidence for her version of the story for more than two weeks. Let's try this once again. Is there any evidence for the Premier's version of events? Premier. Can you just say something? I guess, Mr. Speaker, the tactic of the NDP is to distract, distract, distract from the real issues that needs to be dealt with in this province. They're trying to distract, distract, distract from their visible record in electionary. They just can't catch a break. They can't win an election, Speaker, and they're bitter about that. Their party members are asking about that. So what they're doing, they're talking about every other issue possible to deflect from their own dismal electoral politics because they have foregone, Speaker, they've foregone their progressive values because, Speaker, we here in the Liberal Party and the government are working on things that are important to Ontarians like investing in our personal support workers, like investing in our childcare workers, like making sure that full-day kindergarten now, Speaker, is available to all four and five-year-olds across the province. And now, Speaker, we're working on the most important issue that is to ensure that there's retirement income security for hardworking Ontarians who do not have a workplace pension and investing in critical public infrastructure across the province so that our families can get to work. Thank you. Do you have a question? Remember from Halton. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Children and Youth Services. Minister, staff and volunteers at children's treatment centres work hard to support children and youth with physical communication and developmental needs. Children's treatment centres give young people the skills to be independent and live a happy and healthy life. In my writing of Halton, Aaron Oak Kids is doing wonderful work. Aaron Oak Kids is Ontario's largest children's treatment centre with approximately 600 staff in 10 locations. They provide a comprehensive range of support services to more than 14,500 Ontario children and their families. In Halton, they have taken over 500 children off their wait list for core rehab services. That's 500 children who have received support in areas like autism services, occupational therapy or medical assistance. Through you, Mr. Speaker, can the Minister explain how you are working to help children's treatment centres do their work? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to thank the member for raising this very important question. I was really hoping to get more questions today about children with special needs because the Ontario Association of Children's Rehab Services is here. Jennifer Churchill and the folks from that organisation who do fantastic work and I was hoping for more from the opposition. But having said that, I'm happy to get this question and I'm happy of course to acknowledge the new investments to reduce wait lists for core rehab services and assessments that brings my ministry's funding to $101.4 million for the year 2014-15. When I was parliamentary assistant two years ago, I travelled to province listening to families, listening to service providers, listening to researchers and they helped us shape and form the special needs strategy for us. It's a very important work, Speaker. And I'm just so happy the associations here and we'll be meeting with them later today. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My next question again through you is for the Minister of Children and Youth Services. Minister, I'm pleased to hear about how much our government is doing to improve funding for children's treatment centres such as Erin Oak Kids. This means a great deal to constituents in my writing, many of whom have expressed their appreciation of our government's commitment to improving the lives of children throughout the province. This support is invaluable to the children and their families who are working to meet the challenges of everyday life. Minister, can you tell me what is being achieved through our increased funding for children's treatment centres? Thank you, Minister. Thank you, Speaker. And thanks again to the member for the question. So late last year, my ministry invested in an additional $5 million per year, every year, Speaker, to help children's treatment centres reduce weight lists and core rehab services and time to get to that. I also invested $1.2 million this year to help the treatment centres further reduce time on the weight lists and time to get assessed. This has expanded access to physio, occupational therapy and speech language therapy. It's enabled children's treatment centres to serve an additional 2,000 children and youth across the province. Increased funding of almost $7 million over the next two years to increase school speech and language will help over 10,000 children across the province reduce weight time for speech and language. Thank you. We look forward to continued investments. Thank you. We see the place. New question, the member from Leeds, Grenville. Thank you very much, Speaker. My question is for the Premier. But before, I hope you can give me some leeway Premier today. Speaker, today is my fifth anniversary of being elected as an MPP. As well, five years ago, the Minister of Energy was elected as well. And I want to congratulate him on the award that his ministry received today. They got a Canadian Taxpayer Federation Teddy Award for Government Waste for the smart meter program. Congratulations and happy anniversary. Premier, listen, we've got an Opposition Day motion today, Speaker. Premier, I think you can pre-empt it. I think we've asked these questions in the house. You've got a tremendous opportunity to do the right thing, to show some integrity in your office by asking Pat Sopara and Jerry Lawheed to step aside. Are you going to do it, Premier? Please do it before today's Opposition Day motion. Opposition Day motion. Thank you, Premier. Minister of Energy. Mr. Speaker, I'm very pleased that the member referred to smart meters. And I'm very pleased to speak about that issue, Mr. Speaker. We have one of the best electricity systems in the world, Mr. Speaker. And we were cutting edge when we installed 4.8 million smart meters in our system, Mr. Speaker. And enables us to do tremendous work. Mr. Speaker, first of all, smart meters eliminated about 2,000 jobs by not having to have people walk door-to-door to read meters, Mr. Speaker. We have a new generation. A generation of those people over there don't understand. They make jokes about smart meters, Mr. Speaker. Answer. Mr. Speaker, it's saving people money. Mr. Speaker, the... Well, I would challenge each member of the Conservative Party over there. Which one of you is not using... Thank you. Mr. Speaker, back to the Premier. Again, another answer that's not very smart in this legislature. Premier, you could really take this... Harder? This series. You and I have had a lot of questions over the last few days. We've got an unprecedented report from the Chief Electoral Officer. You've forced our hand today with our opposition-day motion. But Premier, you still have time. You still have an opportunity to do the right thing and show some integrity in your office. Remember, you're the one whose silent speech said in this House that you were going to do things differently. You were going to do things differently than your predecessor. But all we're seeing and hearing in question period day after day after day is the same old tired liberal rhetoric. Premier, do the right thing. Show the leadership that you said you would in this House. Ask those two individuals to step aside and try to renew some semblance of respect back in your office. Thank you. You seated, please. You seated, please. Minister of Energy. Mr. Speaker, referring to his reference to smart meters, Mr. Speaker, they alert utilities when lines go down, saving tremendous money for all the utilities across the province, Mr. Speaker. They redirect electricity to restore power averages, Mr. Speaker. They improve building accuracy, Mr. Speaker, and they enhance the efficiency of the system in many other ways, Mr. Speaker. The Hydro Toronto, Mr. Speaker, have confirmed that it has reduced consumption by 3%. There have been other studies that showed tremendous savings to consumers, Mr. Speaker. We're very, very proud of the technology. We're cutting edge, leading electricity systems across the world. We're copying what we're doing here in Ontario, Mr. Speaker. Deputy Premier, on a point of work. Speaker, I am delighted to welcome Harry Houston here today. Londoner from Libro Financial and a great citizen of London. Thank you. There being no deferred votes, this House stands for recess until 3 p.m. this afternoon.


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I'm interested in Parkinson's disease which is a movement disorder that affects about 10,000 people in New Zealand. There are some good treatments for Parkinson's disease however many people are living with some side effects from those treatments and so we are looking at a novel new way of potentially treating the disease. What we do is put new genes into the brain so that we can stimulate the brain using light and the advantage that this technique has is that we can stimulate just certain types of brain cells and so we can make it very very specific and what we hope for in the future is that the patients will end up with less side effects as a result of that. So the current side effects can be things like depression and there can be things like a gambling addiction and things like that. So it can be quite extreme and not a lot of patients have such extreme side effects. It can be just suppressing behaviours a little bit as well so something called impulsivity. So what we literally did was took activity from a control brain and replayed that back into a Parkinsonian brain and we found that we could restore movements much more than using the pattern that's traditionally used which is 130 stimuli per second which is such a lot of stimuli and that's not how the brain works. So the fundamental idea was if we replayed real activity back into the brain could we restore function and the answer was yes.  We need to use different probes and we need to be able to have the light source so the generation of light actually being able to be carried by the person.


Okay, welcome back everybody, this is theCUBE's SiliconANGLE's flagship program. We go out to the events. Extract a scene from the noise. This is day three of exclusive Oracle Open World coverage. SiliconANGLE theCUBE, this is our flagship program. And I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE. I'm joined with my co-host, Dave Vellante. Back for day three, big story this week is obviously Oracle Open World, all the announcements. Larry Allison's keynote was amazing yesterday because he didn't show up, he was at his boat. Oracle had the seven wins in a row to tie up the America's Cup. Big story, big scandal, a lot of people were kind of blown away. LA Times had a very scathing, critical analysis. I personally said, that's a grateful Larry. I honestly think, you know what? Once in a lifetime opportunity, this kind of comeback in sports, obviously it's sailing, people may not know how mainstream it is. Still a niche sailing, Dave, but you know, this rivals the Red Sox comeback against the Yankees when they were down, down and out in the ALCS and they ended up going on the table on the Yankees and then won their first World Series and since what, you know, many, many years. So obviously great comeback. Dave, day three, what are you expecting for day three? Well, we've heard a lot this week of course about engineered systems and hardware and software running together and in-memory databases and 12C and the like, human capital management. We're hearing a lot today about the customer experience. You know, it's something that Oracle has been criticized on a lot. We've seen a lot of demonstrations today, some of the keynotes, big injection of social with some of the acquisitions Oracle has made. So, you know, I think Oracle realizes, it's a typical classic case of Oracle. They do a good job of at least understanding where the warts are and then spending some money on R&D and eventually catching up to the state of the art. So I expect to hear a lot of that today and of course today we're going to be unpacking a lot of what we've heard all week but we're also going to do a deep dive segment right now. Elizabeth Headstrom-Henland is here. She's an analyst at TBR. She specializes in enterprise software. Elizabeth, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks, Dave. Very happy to be here. First time on theCUBE. First time on theCUBE, hopefully not the last. So you just rolled in. You're going to catch the tail end of the conference and you're going to be at the financial analyst conference. You guys got a unique model, you and your firm in particular, really at the intersection of technology and finance. Talk about that a little bit. Absolutely, so technology business research is an analyst firm based up in Hampton, New Hampshire and we really look at the intersection of business and technology, as Dave noted. It's about understanding how vendors are making money in technology and using that analysis to then start projecting where vendors are going for next steps. So it's a busy time of year for me in particular. We're wrapping up our second quarter 2013 coverage of Workday, which publishes this week and ramping up our third quarter coverage of Oracle, which publishes October 9th and our third quarter coverage of Red Hat, which publishes in October 15th, I think. Yep, had to divide and conquer this week but I have to compliment Oracle on their simulcasting because it let me kind of divide and conquer until I actually got here physically. So we're going to unpack a lot of this. We should have a little time, we only have like 15, 20 minutes, but we could go probably an hour on just those topics alone. No question. Let's start with why we're here, Oracle, Oracle Open World. What's your take on Oracle? I mean, here's the company, let's say roughly 40 billion in revenue, $160 billion market cap, throwing off cash flow like unbelievable $14 billion in pre-cash flow in the last 12 months. Yet at the same time, there's a drag. There's a drag on the hardware business, there's a drag from the Sun acquisition. But the flip side of that is they had 45% operating margins last quarter. So it's an amazing story, but there's still some big questions. What's your take on Oracle? So Oracle is a company where I can't ever underestimate the power of command and control from the executive team. And by that, I include Larry Ellison, the CEO, co-presidents Mark Hurd and Safra Katz and executive vice president Tom Currian. And their ability to really evaluate where the company is and change the direction. And I have to borrow one of Larry's quotes from Last Open World that it takes time to turn a battleship. And I think that's really where Oracle is right now. They understand that they've got a portfolio full of point products, they're all good, but they can't really get to the point of telling a business value story. And that's where they're at right now. You noticed back in April at their industry analyst summit, they started telling a story about simplifying IT. And when you look at launches like the customer experience suite, as well as the rising slow penetration of the engineered systems business, it's really comes down to how Oracle can take this deep broad portfolio integrated on the R&D side. And candidly, I think they're probably among the stronger in that R&D side in terms of performance and execution. But then get it packaged and sold to the customer. And that's really where they've been struggling. Though this quarter they started to show some returns to growth in the 7% growth in the core business. So Cloud is still helping that, but right now they've got the right pieces in the right place at the right time and now it comes down to sales. So talk about the following. So we know that Oracle in 2005 made a huge acquisition with PeopleSoft, changed the game on the software business and then did it again with Sun. Is Oracle in your view better off post-Sun acquisition? Not yet. I have to call a little bit of the recent language into question from Oracle executives. They call it the most profitable acquisition they ever made. The numbers don't bear that out yet, but I think what they've gained from it is the ability to package some of their higher value applications and databases, because in the end Oracle is a software company still on some of these systems to get them out to market in a plug and play appeal to the line of business buyer as well as the IT buyer point of view. Elizabeth, on the Oracle engineered systems, a great segue into my question, which is obviously Oracle engineered systems is their big phrase. Obviously they don't really break up databases anymore. They talk about business software. Okay, great. Talk about what you think the advantages are for this Oracle engineered system. We've always talked about the iPhone model, the Apple model, be vertically integrated and leverage the software. So comment on that, what's your take on that? How does that look into the business? Is it driving it? Herd still talks about subscriptions and licenses and how will that change the business model? And then two, talk about the ecosystem. We had EMC on and just four years ago EMC was looking at essentially pre-exadata storage. Now they're thriving. Joe Ducci called the best friend up there on the keynote yesterday. So talk about the Oracle engineered systems and how you see that translating into the business model, licenses, et cetera. And then also the impact of the ecosystem as this scale out open source still influences the RedStack model. When we look, I'll use some of our research as an example. When we look at technology business research as BI benchmark we do model revenue and performance for some select engineered systems vendors in that segment. And the way we define that is how much of a company's revenue, software revenue is being delivered on top of a box. And right now for me that's where I see the strength of Oracle's engineered systems business is for those customers that want an appliance driven sell a business applications and databases, Oracle will give it to you.  It really comes down to how do you effectively maximize distribution in my opinion and that's where the best value for the engineered systems case is. To your other question about ecosystem and channels, I think Oracle knows how to build a program, template resources and really take them out to market. The Oracle Partner Network at this point is in excess of 25,000 partners and they understand that it doesn't have to be an exclusive relationship. So I think right now Oracle's ecosystem and channels program really still is table stakes. You've got to be in it and you've got to be in it with attractive incentives and they're doing the right things with cloud and engineered systems incentives. Though I'm still curious that we have yet to hear some really high profile conversations from the replacement for Judson Althoff who was the head of the Oracle Partner Network left in March to go to Microsoft and since then that team has been very, very quiet which I find surprising. So the other question I have, you also cover the competitors, we're talking Workday, Oracle, SAP, Red Hat and a variety of others. Let's talk about SAP and Workday. OrcDy, obviously having a success at an event here last week, obviously they're doing well. Little chip on the shoulder from the X people soft guys kind of making a name for themselves back again. Thorne in the side for Oracle or yes, no. How's it impacting Oracle's business? And SAP's movement to the cloud has been kind of bumpy. And how has that changed Oracle's behavior, if any? So I'll take Workday first. I think Workday is a Thorne in everybody's side right now but it's worth noting that Workday's install base is still only about 500 customers. So what Workday's doing right in my opinion is an integrated platform approach to keeping its install base protected and defended. You update everybody three times a year, you migrate everybody all at once every time and that makes it a lot harder for Oracle or SAP to throw in competitive HCM offerings. For SAP's movement to the cloud, I think when you run a separate business like they did with the SuccessFactors business, that makes it a little more difficult to really tell an integrated story. You're integrating business by design which was their legacy product with a lot of offerings that came in via the SuccessFactors acquisition and I think it took them time to get their narrative together. When you look at how they've integrated on and off-premise development under Vishal Sika in the last six months, I think that's where you really see the opportunity for SAP in the balance of this year. It's not just a cloud story anymore, it's how do you tell an on-to-off-premise migration story which honestly I think Oracle for all of the discussion of them being late to the cloud relatively, they got out in front in my opinion with the idea of a seamless customer experience. It doesn't matter where the customer is accessing its data on or off-premise, the customer shouldn't see any disruption and so I think that message and that package is where everybody's going to be chasing them for a little while. So follow up on the Workday piece. Workday might claim that with regard to SuccessFactors, that's really talent management, the core HR piece is in SAP classic and they got to bolt those two together. Good luck, we're going to mop that up and they would say about Oracle, Oracle's not real cloud, we're real cloud. Oracle's taking ERP and stuffing it into the cloud. Fair criticisms, valid, somewhere in between. I think it's definitely somewhere in between. At this point we're still really in a case of cloud washing from the traditional enterprise software vendors and when you look at the breadth of the companies that we cover at TBR, I'll borrow my teammate, Jillian Miranda, for a moment who leads our pure play cloud coverage and I'll say that right now it's all about are you satisfying your customers and she and I both agree on this. It doesn't matter where the apps came from in the first place, as long as they work when it comes down to deployment and it doesn't disrupt a broader business application play. So we met actually, we met at Legal Seafoods, we were heading out to VMworld, that was as well. Legal Seafoods will plug, my brother's big executive deals, but anyway, juxtapose the VMware, EMC, horizontal ecosystem approach to the Oracle red stack from a customer perspective. Where are the landmines, what's the allure, what's your advice to customers, which way should they go and what are the benefits and drawbacks of each? I think when you look at the approach like this it really comes down to, is your environment heterogeneous and when you look at the vendors that are talking to you, whether it's a vertical play or a horizontal play, what's the real world exposure of their applications to working across other environments because if a vendor can't prove to you that your Oracle database is going to work with their application, then I wouldn't blame you as a customer for wanting to stick with Oracle because at least you know that performance is guaranteed. I think, Dave, when it comes down to it, customers are dealing with heterogeneous environments and that's where vendors are going to be looking in the next six months around business apps, around industry apps, is how do we plug and play with everyone? I mean, look at Oracle playing with Microsoft. I don't think anybody ever saw that coming, let alone Oracle playing with Salesforce. Pigs are flying. Okay, let's talk about VMware a little bit more and OpenStack. So what's your outlook on VMware and the OpenStack momentum, VMware's embracing OpenStack, a lot of people are concerned that they're trying to poison the waters. What's your take on VMware as a company first, adding value beyond the hypervisor, into management, more focused now, Pat Gelsinger at the helm, and what about the OpenStack factor? So I think when you look at VMware, you can't at this point separate VMware from EMC, which full disclosure, before technology business research, I worked at EMC and- So you know the inside baseball. Well, I've been surprised in the last 12 months to watch the public engagement between EMC and VMware as allies increasing, in terms of how they engage with one another, where Joe Tucci will stand up there at an EMC stage and say that VMware is leading our software-defined data center strategy. When you look back at 2006, 2007, I don't think anyone ever saw the walls falling between these two companies quite that much. So when I look at the value that VMware is bringing to OpenStack, VMware's got to play with OpenStack. That's just what it comes down to. I think with the acquisition of Nasirah, with Martin Casado, you've got a team in place that understands how to engage with the open source community, and it's going to give VMware a chance to talk to customers that are longtime Red Hat loyalists, longtime Citrix loyalists that are really already well ahead of the curve in terms of playing with open source. Do I think that VMware is going to spoil the waters? No, because it's not in their best interest to do that. So I think you're going to see VMware changing its game a little bit to really demonstrate to the open source community who can freely go elsewhere that they want to play ball. So I got to ask you about, since you brought up VMware, we talked a little bit about OpenStack. The cloud has been amazing innovation, and as we've always discussed in theCUBE four years ago, Amazon really set the standard. Integrated stacks, now you're talking about Joe, you're talking about we have a stack too. So under the hood and the cloud is changing the game, is commoditizing the business on the infrastructure side as well as innovating like crazy and disrupting it. So obviously Amazon has their event coming up, re-invent. What has the big guys learned from Amazon, both on the business model side of their offerings, and where are they weak? I mean, and, you know, we're starting to see DevOps starting to creep into here in Oracle OpenWiz. Hasn't come out of the woodwork yet, but you know, Dave and I were commenting yesterday, we're seeing signals of the DevOps agility kind of conversation happening, and you're seeing the social CRM, you're seeing some of these stuff. So, you know, those apps will be funded by a DevOps type infrastructure. So how do you look at the Amazon and how do you talk to the other, the guys trying to set their product portfolios? So looking at the vendors that I'm talking about in my ongoing coverage, Oracle, SAP, Red Hat, I think there's a lot of migration to greater internal agility to compete with Amazon. When you look at what Amazon has brought to the market in terms of commoditizing infrastructure, I think that's where a lot of, candidly, the enterprise software cloud washing has come in. When you look at Oracle's hosted infrastructure as a service where they will deploy engineered systems in a customer's environment, and then manage it for them and bill it, it's how can these enterprise software vendors change how they're doing business to at least tell a competitive pricing model story if they don't have the product portfolio yet to compete? Do I think Oracle is going to be ever head-to-head with Amazon? Probably not, but it's not necessarily in their best interest to do that. If they can demonstrate to a customer evaluating Amazon that the value for performance and integration that Oracle brings, always tying back to the core database, exceeds the price advantages they're going to get from Amazon. And I'll borrow my colleague, Jillian, again, when she looks at Amazon, the more outages happen in these broader cloud-hosted environments, the more the traditional enterprise software vendors have an opportunity to really defend the install base that they have. Elizabeth, we're up against the clock, but so I really want to thank you for coming on. Patrick Rogers is coming up next, John. Patrick Rogers, Vice President at NetApp, has been on theCUBE before. I'm sure we're going to be talking about FlexPod, the relationship with Oracle, see how that's changed over the next couple years, with Elizabeth. Great job, didn't get into so many other areas that we possibly could, but we'll have you back. I'm looking forward to it. Okay, this is theCUBE, this is SiliconANGLES, day three coverage of Oracle Open World. This is John Furrier with Dave Vellante. We'll be right back for the next guest. Day three of exclusive coverage, we'll be right back.


I was challenged to the hottest booster box battle of all time. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Oh! Oh! Time to jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump! What's up, guys? We're back with another epic video. Today, we're battling Em Haas. He sent us a King's Court booster box. If we pull a collector rare, we don't have to eat this chip. But if we do, we have to eat the packy, or the don't, I should say, one chip challenge, Carolina Reaper's Scorpion Pepper Chip. Extremely hot tortilla chip. Apparently, this is like awful. So let's hope that we pull that collector and we don't have to do this, because that sounds like a nightmare. He will also be doing this as well, so his link will be in the description if you guys want to see. At least one of us probably eat that, probably both of us, to be honest. So we're sending out prayers. Let's pull something good. And by the way, tomorrow, we will be opening two Shadow Infinity hobby boxes. If you did not see that on my TikTok or my Instagram, I posted about that. But yeah, it's gonna be a crazy video. So make sure you check that video out tomorrow. Today, we're gonna be burning with a chip. Hopefully not, but maybe. This looks like a European box. Yeah, this is a Euro box based on, you see how these flaps work? You can just like rip them off. It's actually really cool. See, look at this. Oh, that didn't work so well.  Get those out of the way. Those things are always kind of annoying. All right, let's do this, guys. Can we pull something to avoid eating this chip? Because I'm gonna be miserable the rest of the day if we have to eat this thing. We've got to rescue Rabbit. I'm excited. Jack's night, we got unexpected die. Lot of cool stuff we can pull in here. The God cards, hopefully we get the secret pharaohs. No, they weren't in Europe. So I guess we can only get the Ultra. Not really sure, dowsing. I think there was a couple in Europe, but okay, that could have been a collector. I remember that one, but that was not it. It always looks like one when it comes up. We can also get a lot of other cool stuff, like lightning storm. Was the Rota in here? Was that a different set? I can't remember. Eternal Bond, we got the Wicked Eraser. The Leo Arms, windup arsenal. Great for your spy. And Wright Rose Cloister. We're two packs closer to having to eat that chip. I'm just gonna have that one chip in the top right so we can just remember how awful this is gonna be if we actually have to pull it or eat it, I should say. If we don't pull it. Baxia, Cloud Castle, Pendulum Transfer, Reinforcement of the Army, number 39, and Joker's Knight, that is just an Ultra. That is not a collector rare, unfortunately. But don't you worry, guys. We have plenty of time. Oops, that's okay. We dropped the pack, but that is fine. We got this. We're gonna pull something amazing. I believe Stardust, Zangalong. We got the Eternal Bond, Rescue Rabbit, the Utopic Future, Baxia, Ultimate Shield, and World Legacy, Guard Dragon. Not a good start, not a good start. One Ultra Rare. Joker's Knight is actually not a bad card. Oh, by the way, I forgot to say. The giveaway in this video, all you have to do is like this video, be subscribed, and let me know if you think we're gonna have to eat the chip or not. You get every card in the opening. So yeah, if we get a collector rare, it's yours.  Jax Knight and Chow Fang, Phantom of the Yang Zing. Very nice. I forgot to say that because I was so nervous about the chip. You know, yeah. The chip is definitely getting, it's creeping up, and it's getting into me. It's getting in my head is what I'm trying to say. Oh my gosh, reinforcing the army, Infinity Cards and Crystal Girl. Wow, it really is getting in my head, guys. I can't even speak. I'm just saying stuff that makes sense in the wrong way. Let's just say that Queen's Knight, we got the Zolga, the warrior returning a live rival of the warlords. That's a nice Ultra Rare, or collector rare, the different thing. Number 49, I literally can't, I can't talk because the chip is like, it's like talking to me.  And that is what is happening. I'm really scared. Imhaus, I blame you. This happens. I hope I'm saying your name right, by the way. Rescue Rabbit, we got the Golden Eyes Idol.  All right, okay, so far we're not getting too lucky. Should have another couple Ultras at least if we don't get the collector rare. Number 39, Pendulum Transfer Rivalry of the Warlords. Great for your respite, Jack's Knight. Golden Eyes Idol, Rose Princess, okay. There's even a disclaimer on the back. It's like, if you're sensitive to spicy food or you have a medical condition, don't eat this. So, I was like, oh, great. Awesome, great for your respite. Arcane Knight, Extra Joker and the Guard Dragon. I only have a little bit of water up here, so we are going to be in trouble. I'm still holding out, hope we don't have to eat this thing. We can just look at it and be like, ha, not eating you. We got a Baxia. Queen's Knight, we have done one hot challenge before. You can go check out the hot ones we did. That was actually really fun. The Ultimate Shield, Clack Castle. We got really hot towards the end though. Arcane, a Triumph Joker. Wait, oh, I thought that was a collector rare. All these Euro cards look like collector rares. Okay, it's just a regular Ultra. No, okay, there it is again on the cover of the pack. Come on, guys. Dowsing Fusion, Pot of Awesome. Nice, Golden Eyes Idol. We got the Jack's Knight, Queen's Knight, Turtle Bond, Magnet Induction, so we're not looking too good right now. We're almost halfway through the box. We have no collector rare. They're one in three boxes, so we have about a 33% chance to actually pull one. Supposedly we've got a Wicked Eraser Magenta, Stick Dragon, not Magnetic Dragon, that's different. 39, right, Rose Cluster, okay. I thought we were opening Yukio, not Pokemon. We need some Pokemon to give us some luck. All right, we got the Pendulum, we got the Idol, the Dreadroot, Majestic Dragon, Zolga, Crystal Girl. Every time I'm checking, please be a collector rare, and it's not. So sometimes you can't tell. You pull those collector rares, and they just look like regular hollows, and they're not. Dowsing Future, Ties of the Brethren, Arcane Extra Joker, Eagle Claw, Queen's Knight, Wicked Dreadroot, Base Guard Fusion. This one is not looking so good right now. It is not looking good at all. Oh my gosh. Come on, Wicked Avatar, Cloud Castle. Constellar told me M7, we got the Utopia, we got Pot of Awesome, we got the Golden Eyes Idol. Tindangled D-Holes, we got the D-Holes. Nice, very nice. Send me your luck in the comments. We need to pull a collector rare at big time today. Eternal Bond, like more than usual. Pendulum Xyz, Wicked Eraser, Majestic Dragon, World Legacy Guard Dragon, and by the way, at this point, like less than a week till we're opening ghosts from the past two. Yeah, I'm getting really excited. This is gonna be really fun. We got the Windup Arsenal, the Warrior Returning Alive, number C39, the Wicked Avatar, the ZW Tornado Bringer, the Converging Wishes, and the Burning Souls at an Ultra. Why is this an Ultra? This looks like a card from the Wing Dragon of Ross at the Legendary Duelist. What is that, a mortal, a mortal something? What is it? Legendary Duelist with the Wing Dragon Rock Coaster. Whatever that one was. Yeah, that's what that looks like it's from. All right, guys. All right, Eagle Claw. We got a Leo Arms. We have gone through this pretty quick. I'm just hoping that we can end this one quickly. You guys saw that three minute video. We know we will do that. The Returning Alive and the Cloyster at it again. It's evolved from the, what is that guy called? The Little One, the Little Cloyster. He's called the Sheldr. There we go, Tornado Bringer. King's Knight. We got the Majestic of Dragoon. We got the Utopic Future. Potential of Mag-C's. We got the Eagle Denies Idol. And Hyper Galaxy. Okay, just a Super Rare. Just a Super Rare. We got a few packs left. A few chances to not die. I believe that we can not die in this one. We got a Zolga of the Prophet. We got the Rivalry of the Warlords. The Star of Zangalong. The Arcana Extra Joker. Jax Knight. Infinite Cards. And Court of Cards. Just a Super. Three more packs. Three more chances at, Not Redemption. Saving. Saving. I don't know. What's the word for that? Deliverance. I don't know. Dowsing Future. We got the Ties of the Brethren. Utopic Future. And Crystal Girl again. I think we pulled like five Crystal Girls in this box, which is kind of weird. Two packs to go. Two packs left. Come on. Infinite Cards. I think that can be, can that be a Collector Rare? I'm not sure. Pot of Awesome. Star of Zangalong. Little, little, little warms. The Utopia Ray. Magnet Induction. It's down to the final pack. Our final chance to survive this, or we're gonna potentially die. This could be on my last video, guys. We might not get that Saturday video up if we don't make it through this. Here we go. Final pack, guys. Come on. We've got the Cloud Castle. We can do this. Consulor told me M7. We gotta take this slow, because this is our last few moments living on this earth. Pendulum Xyz. Oh, whoa. We got some crimping there. Okay, that feels really cool actually. Crimping, really weird. Queen's Night. Just one card, too. Pot of Duality. King's Night. Come on. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. It's just a super, no! All right, guys. You know what this means. One chip challenge. Let's read the back.  Or pregnant. I'm not pregnant, so we're all good there. Or have any medical conditions. Keep out of reach of children after touching the chip, wash your hands with soap and do not touch your eyes or other sensitive areas. Gotta be careful there. No sensitive areas will be touched after this. Seek medical assistance should you experience difficulty breathing, fainting, or extended nausea. Okay, there's no nutrition facts. If you guys are interested in that, this is gonna be quite interesting. All right, let's get it open because it has a seal. That's how crazy this thing is. It's sealed like a pack of cards. All right, I'm scared, guys.  I'm a little scared. Does it have like... Oh my gosh, it's in a package. They literally put it in a package. How do you open this thing? Let's use scissors. I'm scared to get it on my mat, to be honest. I'm gonna be really careful here. Okay, so the chip's down there. Okay, and apparently it has stuff on it so you can't like inhale.  That sounded weird. I'm just gonna move the hand scam over here. No, then you guys will think I'm cheating and not eating it. Here we go. Oh, I'm terrified of this. Oh my gosh, what is this? What is this thing? No! Okay, we're eating the chip part. It's things broken. We're just eating this. Okay, we gotta eat the whole thing, don't we? Okay, here we go. We're gonna start off with the small part. Okay, don't breathe in on the chip.  Oh no! This is awful. Oh, touchy thing. It's so dry. Oh, it's so bad. Oh! It's so dry. When you swallow it, it's the worst. This is horrible. There's a little extra piece left in there. I'm gonna cry. I can't speak. It's so much worse than hot ones. Every breath is torture. Oh, okay, we gotta do the picture on names. So it's easy to dress a cartoon for a show to make it as you say they might dance with me, Gecko. That's me, Mr. Jr., bonding in on a Thai show, JT Show, David FJ, and Josh Evans. Thank you guys for watching. I'll see you guys next time. I'm done. This is awful. I literally am dying. A few moments later. Oh my gosh. This is a million times worse than the hot ones. Gonna wash hands. A million times worse. Oh my gosh.  Wait, what? I didn't touch my eye. Why is it burning? Oh my gosh. My eye is on fire right now. I breathed in like with it in my mouth. I thought it was fine then. Went right to my throat. It was horrible. Oh my gosh. I'm like, this is horrible. I thought I'd be crying because all the ones wasn't that bad. This is horrible.