Today, to Think Tech Hawaii's Hawaii Together, I'm Kelea Akina, your host and trustee at large in the Office of Hawaiian Affairs. However, I'm here in my private capacity today and don't represent the views of the Office of Hawaiian Affairs nor any of the administration there. Welcome today and we've just finished the 2020 elections. Boy, was that an election cycle. And I'm pleased to say that I was reelected and thank all of you who voted for me. In addition to that, we have today a trustee, a brand new one who was elected to office, Luana Alapa. And we're going to be delighted to hear what she has to say and get to know her. Luana, welcome to the program. My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Well, always. And this is a wonderful holiday season. I see you've got your Christmas tree up already. That was a whole night to take that. We have a lot of things to celebrate. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Right at the outset, what motivated you to move from private life into a public life? You were involved in business before. You were managing your own family. And then all of a sudden you decided to get into the fishbowl and go political. What was it that drove you into that? I think more than anything, it was about going to the second half of my life.  My last one, my son is in college and I'm pretty much an empty nester. And moving back to Moloka'i and my dad's property, it's five acres in Ho'olehua. It was an opportunity for me, first of all, to help make my dad's blueprints for the development of his property to become a reality. And while I was there, I've decided that if there's something we'd like to do for our Hawaiian people, it would be something that could give back. My father was always about one of the most important things he taught us, me and my sisters, was that one of the greatest things you could do in your lifetime is to be of service to others. And I thought this would be a wonderful way in which I could implement that and take my father's words seriously and do something that I could give back to the people of Hawaii. And I decided to go for the office of Hawaiian affairs, Moloka'i trustee. And with a lot of support and a lot of prayers every night I pray about it because this is totally out of my comfort zone. But I knew that if my purpose was strictly about serving others, then I was on the right path to doing this properly. So here I am, God, seven months later, it's been an amazing journey. I'll tell you that much, it's just something I would never dream of ever. But I'm so glad that I'm able to do this for all of us, for all of Hawaii.  So very blessed, definitely.  And you've reached out throughout the state. Why political, however? Why go into running for office and become a public office holder specifically? Well, I don't think it was about entering the political arena for states, not like I was growing up and I want to be in the political arena as part of my goals in life. No, it never was like that. It just happens that being involved in an arena of this nature is tied to the political side. And if it's being a service to the Hawaiian people in my community, so be it. I have to enter this arena to be able to do such a thing as becoming a trustee. And being able to uphold the state of giving back and helping others to get to where they need to be all over Hawaiian people are so deserving of a roof over their heads, having the proper education, jobs, training and so forth. There's so much that we need to do. And it doesn't seem like we're kind of moving back as we're trying to move forward. And this is another way in which I felt that I could give a lot more of my time, my education, the things that I have learned over the past years, that I could help our Hawaiian community as well. So that was part of my reason in deciding to run for office. In order to gain the privilege of serving in the office of Hawaiian Affairs, you had to mount a campaign and you had to run against a long term political incumbent. It must have had many challenges. You did not have a political base per se. You didn't have a financial base politically.  What was that like? Oh, my goodness. Where do I begin? Well, one thing for me per se. I'm always about doing something that is different. Being different, meaning I wasn't going to follow the typical standard where it has the certain colors you have to have and you have to do a certain way and so forth. I wanted to stand out in a way in which people remember. Remember me as a candidate. And it's not just the person who I want to laugh about, but the things that I'm doing during this process. And it was always going to be about the people first. So one of the things that I did was, which everyone loved, by the way, and I got to tell you a story about this. It was the pink campaign. And if you saw the pink, everybody knew it. That was Luana. And so the pink campaign was by chance. It ordered my signs, which were of the greens and blues. And when they came back, it was all bright neon pink. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is a general election. If we need to get these signs up. And so I felt like, well, wait a minute, rather than throw them all away, why don't we turn it into something that would be viable that I could utilize this in my campaign. And I knew that the month of October was pink. And that means a pink awareness for breast cancer. And over the many years, I've been involved in helping with breast cancer awareness in the fun runs that they would have, the pink tie ball. And so we're all volunteer for that. So I thought, well, this would be a wonderful way in which we could still raise awareness through the pink campaign. And that's what we have. You saw the pictures there is about the signs. We had breast cancer awareness. And then, of course, the pink for Luana Lapa. And it just worked perfectly.  And I thought, wow, I was just tickling pink to have them come on board. Now, those who joined me, a lot of them didn't know who they were. They just wanted to be a part of my pink campaign. And so I said, perfect, just come on down. And we'll give you a pink lay or pink sign. And there you have it. And then it grew into what you're seeing in the pictures. And there's a lot more people that wanted to be involved. And so I was able to get them down there, just hand over a sign. So very blessed that I had such a wonderful turnout of supporters, especially for the women, our breast cancer survivors.  So I'm so happy that they could be a part of that. So the pink campaign was perfect. And then the next thing that we did again to separate is to it was about the flyers. And I didn't want to utilize the flyers as just a who's who and so forth. It was about having just everyone in general being a part of this. I didn't want the celebrities and so forth. It was real people, people that wanted to be a part of my campaign and just volunteer their time by giving me their pictures. I had people from all various backgrounds that sent me their photos and asked me, Luana, can you be part of your campaign? And I thought, oh my gosh, of course you can be a part of my campaign. So I had them send their head shots. And then you see, as you can see on the screen, I mean, there were hundreds of them, a lot of them that came through. And I was so blessed to have been part of my flyer campaign. So it was about everybody in general. I wanted everyone to be a part of it. And as you can see there, I was so blessed that they became a part of my flyer campaign. So that was another thing that separated me from the incumbent. And I knew I had to stand out in that manner because I'm the new kid on the block. And you've got an incumbent's been there over 24 years. So I knew we had to work really hard. And I had an excellent marketing company that did a wonderful job on my campaign and ConnectWorksGroup.com. They were just amazing. So I take my hats off to Orna Craig or Saki did a great, great job. So I'm very blessed to have such awesome people in my corner to help push this campaign forward to make that thing stand out amongst any. You know, Luana, it's hard enough to get the larger population across the state of Hawaii to vote in the office of Hawaiian Affairs election, let alone for the trustee of the island of Molokai. When most people in our state don't live on Molokai and don't immediately recognize that they have a right and a responsibility to vote in the election of the Molokai trustee. How did you face that challenge? How did you get people to see that voting for the Molokai trustee is something that should be put on their map? Well, for me, it was about, you know, it's about education. So when you educate the public about OHA because a lot of them didn't know about it. They didn't know they could vote. They thought they had to be from Molokai to vote. They thought they had to, well, this is a Hawaiian thing so they didn't wanna be a part of it and so forth. So we had to ensure that we had to find a way to reach out to them. And that is through education. So through the flyers, through emails, through promotions and so forth, in print work, we did television commercials and so forth, we had to be able to do that especially for people who understand that this is not just a Hawaiian thing. It's a statewide election office so everybody's involved. Everybody can be a part of this. So we had to make sure that that was going to happen in part of our campaign and being able to do this. So as you can see, the reach was phenomenal. Our marketing company did the numbers. They ran the algorithms and it just showed a huge, huge separation between myself and the incumbent. And so they were on track to promote the most incredible campaign for first time or ever. That was part of my purpose in having to do the campaign.  But how did you communicate to people who said, Nesset, perhaps, why should I vote in the OHA race? Because I'm not Hawaiian. What was your response to them? Well, it was not necessarily because you're not Hawaiian but it is a duty that everyone has the opportunity to vote in the OHA elections and not to ignore it because their vote helps us. It helps us, helps the new elected trustees to get into office and we need everybody because this is a statewide election and everyone should be able to do that and not use the I'm not Hawaiian excuse because their vote matters to all of us and without their vote, I know it probably wouldn't be here. So we want to ensure that it does matter that they should consider being a part of this election and not ignore it. So we had to think of ways in which we could, a lot of it was meetings, we had a lot of Zoom meetings and so forth that was fine but still comes down to their own preference. If they wanted to be involved or not, you can't force anybody to do that. So we wanted to be sure that at least we got our point across and it's up to them to be a participant in voting for OHA or not. That's the best we could do. Well, we're going to take a quick break and when we come back, I'm going to ask Luana some questions about her goals, what she sees as the greatest needs of the Hawaiian people, how she hopes to tackle those. Don't go away. We'll be right back after this message. I'm Kelea Akina on Hawaii Together on the Think Tech Hawaii Broadcast Network. We'll see you in a minute. Thank you to Hawaii Together on the Think Tech Hawaii Broadcast Network. My guest today is new trustee at the Office of Hawaiian Affairs for the island of Molokai, Luana Alapa. Luana, we were talking a bit about your remarkable campaign that got you into office but now that you're in office, your job begins. And it's important to be able to do something that makes a difference in the conditions of the native Hawaiians. What do you think is the greatest need for these native Hawaiians today? For me, part of my campaign platform was about affordable housing. We still have a huge long waiting list of Hawaiians on the HHL Homestead list. And I know as a beneficiary because I really have and very fortunate to have my own to be able to live on Hawaiian Homestead land and so forth. I know the value of that. It is a shame to see our people not able to have a roof over their heads and to begin to enjoy the quality of life that they so desperately need, especially in their own ancestral land. So affordable housing to me is at the top of my list. And I've got to explore the ways in which we need to work with other entities, other companies, other partnerships that we could utilize so that our people have an opportunity. And I'm talking about moving this forward immediate, not in like 10 years from now. We're talking in the next couple, maybe four or five years or less that we can make this happen. So I've been very blessed to have people coming to me after the election and talking to me about affordable housing. And I think we'll talk about that in once we have our first board meeting. But the affordable housing to me is vital for Hawaiian people because it begins to help them set up the quality of life, like I've said, for everyone. We're all deserving of living in beautiful Hawaiian islands and to live the quality of life we're also deserving of. The second thing for me, of course, is about self-sustenance in agriculture and I live on ag land in Ho'olehua. And the pandemic was a perfect example of how much we rely on outside sources to survive. And it shouldn't be like that. You know what I mean? The Hawaiians of all, they didn't survive with anyone else. They survived within themselves and within their own lands that they were able to hunt and fish and so forth. It's not like we can do that. Not everyone has the opportunity to hunt and fish. I know in Molokai we do a lot of that, but not everyone can do it. So we have to find other ways to sustain our lives. We have a lot of land that needs to be developed. But guess what? It takes money. And I can't even develop my father's Ho'olehua agriculture a lot because it takes money to do that. So you gotta go through grants and other forms in order for us to get our agricultural a lot up and running and the things that we have planned there. So if we become an example of that, all of our Hawaiian people who are fortunate to live on agricultural land can do the same thing too. But it does take a little bit of knowledge and know-how and to also educate our Hawaiian people. So they too, those that are fortunate enough to have an agricultural land, they too can begin to develop their own self-sustenance not just for themselves and their family but for all of their community as well. So two things. Obviously Luana, across the Hawaiian islands, Hawaiians are in need of housing as well as economic development. But on your island in particular, Molokai, with the economic situation there and its impact upon social demographics, what are some unique problems to Molokai residents that you might address as a know-how trustee? Well, it's not unique because it's been around for so long. Jobs, there's a lack of jobs opportunity there. There really isn't anything. Tourism is pretty much out the door because of COVID and so forth. But even before COVID hit, it was still at the bottom. So they really didn't have much of me. Almost 90% of the island is on state assistance. So how are we going to turn that around? It's gonna be very difficult. Even if you were to introduce some form of tourism, it has to be more of a control type so that let's say for example, we're bringing groups to come into Molokai and they spend the day there and we'll take them throughout to experience and to see what we do as Hawaiians as we live, just visit the old fishing ponds, to go and hike up into Halawa Valley and so forth.  So there's that, but you still need support from islanders. They are so in dire need and wanting to work and to live on Molokai instead of moving away and never coming back. And those that do come back like me for example, but I came back for a reason is because they want to live the rest of their lives in the beautiful Molokai, but then you also need to live to survive. You need to, your monies, you need to survive in a way that you can feed yourself and so forth and not rely on outside sources. So we have a work cut out and on Molokai it truly is about jobs. They needed badly there. When you ran for office, one of the planks you ran on was greater transparency and accountability at the office of the line of affairs. What is your thought as to some of the things that the Oha trustee board needs to deal with as you come on board in your first term? Well, I think first of all, you know, you have a new energy myself. I guess I am the new kid on the block and we also have the big island, right? Keola Lindsey, he's gonna be coming on board. So when you're dealing with the new energy that means the personalities, you have nine different personalities on the board and everybody has their own mindset of what they see, what they like, you know, different personality types and so forth. So all about, first of all, is about getting to know each other. And that's how it should be because to me it's like a team and it's working together for the common goal of working towards the betterment of Hawaiian people. And every day that we meet, we have to make sure that we have come to the terms by the end of this meeting that we've come closer to the goal of reaching that, whether it's gonna be on the topic of affordable housing, jobs, education, whatever it may be. But we have to have that in mind so that at the end of our meeting, we can feel good, we can go home and sleep good at night. Knowing we've come this much closer to our goals as a whole. When people see that you have a board of trustees that are close knit, they've worked out their differences because it's not about the I, it's about the we and it's about everybody and us serving them. They have to keep that in mind. For me, that's my mantra. It's about service to others constantly. Nothing else should supersede that. So when people talk about all the audit and we need to see the numbers and so forth, sure. Of course, there shouldn't be any reason why we would hold that back because this is what a state funded public agency, correct? So now we wanna make sure that everyone knows that we're all on the same page and this is what's going on and so forth. So they feel confident and comfortable knowing that we as trustees have their best interests at hands and not our personal interests. Some issues are not too difficult to deal with and I think we're all very glad that recently the office of Hawaiian Affairs trustees set aside a large amount of money to help Hawaiians with the COVID virus. And that's an easy win I think for the Hawaiian people and an easy decision for the office of Hawaiian Affairs to make. But there are also other issues that are controversial and they're very difficult to deal with. For example, what to do about the 30 meter telescope on Mauna Kea? What are your thoughts as to how to approach an issue like that? That hit me from the very start when I first been exposed to these types of situations in regards to issues of Hawaiian matters and so forth. And the TMT was number one and being a newcomer and so forth, especially in this arena, because this is not something I do every day, but I had to quickly learn and be educated. And I spoke with many folks, especially some of the women. I've been so blessed to have powerful women in the Hawaiian community supporting me and backing me and educating me on TMT issues and so forth. It's not necessarily the TMT issue itself, the building and it's really about what to place prior to that. And if you understand DLNR and the University of Hawaii and they were the caretakers of Mauna Kea, so a lot of things got messed up in between, if you will. And people were tired of seeing the things that we support from the education up there, our cultural aspect. We all have to have respect for that because we were here first, right? This is our land, this is our place, but we need to also have the people show respect for that and I think that's what was lacking and what gave us less confidence in those that were handling the Mauna Kea issue. So the other part is outside of that is being able to bring two groups together. Perhaps OHA should have played a bigger part in it and not just allow DLNR and UH to just do their thing. We should have been there from the beginning to ensure that everything was being followed accordingly to protocol and so forth, but obviously it hasn't happened and now you've had this huge foray of people from all over the world contributing their thoughts and energies to it, negative or positive and now you have divisiveness and it should never have been like that in the first place if everything was done accordingly from the very beginning but unfortunately it hasn't happened like that. I may, I personally do not have the power to change anything, it does take people like the board for example to give their input but at the same time you also have to keep in mind about the people first period and when we do that, I think we're gonna have a little, things will just ease up a bit and we'll be able to come back to the bargaining table and talk more intelligently of what's gonna be best for Mauna Kea. Luana, we've come to the end of our program and I have about a minute left. I'd like to ask you to tell us what the Luana factor will be. What does Luana Alafa bring to the table with her eight other colleagues on the trustee board? Well, let's put it this way, as an Aries, that's me, I can give you all the things about myself. You're gonna see a lot of the positivity which is so important today especially. We've gone through a very tough seven, eight months with the COVID and a lot of unhappiness has been out there especially when people are losing jobs and so forth, the personal situations at home but for me, it is all about focusing on the positives. So when I come into the room, it's always gonna be greeted with a wonderful aloha, how are you, good morning. You wanna always start things up on a positive note so you get a lot of that. Energy is important to me because energy is what gives us the opportunity to move forward in a positive way. I know there'll be some negatives and so forth we can get through that, but we always have to look at everything from a positive light and if it's going to serve our people first and foremost, that to me is gonna be an important matter as a aloha trustee. Well, you certainly have a great deal of positivity and energy and it's full of aloha. I wanna thank you Luana for joining us today and I wanna congratulate you on becoming a trustee I'm excited, I'll see you on the board, huh? Look forward to it. You have a great Thanksgiving and holiday season and yeah, look forward to it. Thank you to everyone there at Think Tech Hawaii. Aloha. And to all of you viewing this holiday season, we wish the best to you and your ohana. Stay safe during the COVID crisis, make wise decisions and remember that the aloha spirit covers all things. Until next time, I'm Keli Akinah on Think Tech Hawaii, aloha.


2 root 7 is the zero of a polynomial p of x. Find the value of 3 times p of 2 root 7 plus of 9. We are given that 2 root 7 is the zero of the polynomial p of x. Now the question is what do we mean by this? So this statement tells us that if we would substitute 2 root 7 instead of x, wherever we can see x in this given polynomial, if we would have substituted 2 root 7 instead of x, then the value of this polynomial would be equal to zero. So basically zeros are those particular values of x which would give us zero as the value of this polynomial. So this means p of 2 root 7 is nothing but equal to zero. So for this given expression p of 2 root 7, p of 2 root 7 would be equal to zero because 2 root 7 is the zero of this given polynomial. So this means 3 times zero plus of 9, 3 times zero is zero plus of 9. So this is equal to 9. So the value of this given expression is equal to 9.


good morning everybody welcome back to another stream hope you guys doing great without further ado let's get started yesterday was our moon was a moon mission of a day uh pretty much uh i mean it pretty much went just from zero to a hundred real quick uh i mean you can see through here uh if you look at what we looked at yesterday in terms of uh analysis that we had available we sort of said that yeah there's potential to get give you a nice little double top here and go down from there uh but it ended up just sort of leveling out and just ended up playing into the short side of things after being really heavy short decided to squeeze every single more sort of short out of it uh now we find ourselves pretty much in the same predicament but slight variance here just because uh yesterday was sort of facilitated by es if we could uh just over there as you can see and we're already sliding down of the back end of probably some large data sets ppi there you go uh just sliding down uh i mean then we got a sort of in 15 minutes another sort of speaker coming in here so it was just sort of news uh and i think bitcoin just was reprised here for the sake of being reprised uh because it's just trying to adjust that i think some numbers uh you can see that yes not necessarily having the greatest of times uh off the back end of uh the current numbers that we are getting uh but it's just trading to their uh sort of pulling up after the fact uh you could expect to do something like that if this candle ends up settling out here uh let's that might drag bitcoin up a bit further uh something that you want to sort of keep in mind how far we could drag this uh and how far will it decide to go until it says ah cool enough enough uh let's flip back into sort of book map view i mean looking at the collection of shorts that was sort of depositing already it's sort of telling that uh okay sure we're going heavy shorts numbers are bad es is already down into pretty much traded here but it's already sort of looking like he wants to go up so he might drag this up with it and sort of squeeze out the shorts and that's something that you want to maybe look to see good morning bgc strong bgc too strong that's the only worry worrying thing is it's just they just start to go up i mean if you look at it on like a longer term view is who's the longest one of you just coming back up i mean he just came back retested this and just blew uh just clear sort of conviction to try trading to sort of these higher grounds but end of the day i don't think that's too strong of an argument i mean just look at that man it's just coming back up same top like you're just training back at these areas here i mean best case we get is a stretch all the way up to here but i mean we've already taken out all those stops uh before i mean that we haven't so we just coming up traded back at that same volume so we could easily just come back up if we retest maybe something like that but definitely not considering anything prior and it's kind of like weird predicament you don't really get these shapes anywhere else you can see how weird these shapes look he's like oh yeah there's like something that maybe you call a pat i don't know like retails just not really getting any patterns just coming back and sort of hitting out into these and it's just weird really normally retail gets their patterns but generally oh yeah you can see something like that he'll play out this entirety just plays out half let's shorts get trapped and pulls up and there's nothing we already knew that like this was a massive area of shorts here and this ended up being really short so and it's just one of the things where it it actually worked out in the favorite flavor of uh retail traders where oh yeah there was a lot of shorts here this you can have at least traded this flag here it's like oh yeah uh yeah i just traded that way like are people shorting down into a 10 o'clock game 12 o'clock game there you go just consolidated and instead of trading up people just shorted this for some reason uh you can see that these patterns really work when there's uh no expectations for them to work and it's just essentially like i've always been saying just do the opposite of what most people are doing most people were shorting this area here okay yeah you're looking to basically do the opposite because everyone was shorting here so you're trying to be in the long scenario and you're like okay uh since everyone was shorting there's a flag here it's it's probably gonna play out i mean we've pretty much cleared it twice i mean here and here in terms of the stop hunt range i mean as for today i mean we're sort of pretty much looking in similar sort of territories here where you're looking at you're looking at sort of this shorter area here coming in again off the back end of what es is already doing back there it went down super aggressive bitcoin's not really really following suit as you can see here it's just bitcoins didn't really get the same effect i mean from here to here was how we moved bitcoin but from here to here we're just not moving down so it's just it's just the fact that again we talked about this before it's just bitcoins just repricing higher the sake of being higher so it's just they want to move it into a new range i think they're done with the lower ranges for now uh so that's definitely something you might want to consider that if they sort of keep it up here and they start changing these ranges they're trying to move up slowly because i mean if you look at sort of a tumor price in initial price rather i mean you can see increases increase which is annoying uh i mean goods price jumping is it's this weird news going to jump we already know that the prices were going to be higher uh i mean everything is just going up higher uh with a lot of you get to come and we've got a speaker coming in uh just a couple of minutes then after that 12 o'clock bank of england 130 bed bullard then add the closed session so i mean we've got today is pretty much jam packed so i wouldn't explain anything there so just mark out these times i mean 10 o'clock like always 12 130 and obviously just close because it's the new year close but uh we've got we've got four sort of time markers that maybe uh will cause prices to behave weird so that's something that you want to consider uh we'll see if if the if at 845 this switches gear and goes back up if it doesn't on that close we're sort of looking for that to continue that back down and if this doesn't drag bitcoin down under i don't think anything will just because the how hold it's sort of strength that which is holding it holding at here i mean it should be down like it should have already gone down like yesterday but he hasn't so it just moves into a scary territory where why is it not going down and why is it pumping it shouldn't be doing this it's unnatural but where the things have happened yeah i mean looking at yesterday you can see where we stopped at and yes see if there's anything you can stop at today i mean again others other than stopping at where we've where we've traded that now here uh there's not really any good stopping distance until sort of this level here so it's it looks like it's a make or break uh deciding factor if we sort of hold this in the next 15 or not well next five rather so on this kind of close we'll see if we hold it and we sort of rise up after the fact if we don't again probably looking to sort of spell lights out for bitcoin uh theorem back at this sort of monthly resistance up top we've talked about this before which is a very strong sort of level of resistance we've got traders trading this so probably going to be looking to be uh mostly breakout longs uh ultimately it it might just end up going the way that it always does back down so just probably look out for that if it sort of flips a monthly level i mean he flips this like this and holds this then goes up that was that'll be a reason to go up higher anything else you're probably looking to be weak again bitcoin's holding which sort of ears we'll see if that again leads us to go up higher without sort of four time markers again we've got we also have 10 o'clock uh i mean 10 o'clock's always always considered uh something that we do let's go 10 o'clock coming up that's something that you want to pay attention to us 10 o'clock you've got to pay attention to sort of that what was it 12 it was 12 30 or 12 another two that's 130 12 130 i think we sort of get rid of bank of england just look at 130 the most part we look at 130 turns the year's time then that four so i mean we've got we've got some time so we shift midday to sort of 130 and just call it call it that so i mean the only reason you'd want to do that and look at these times is if this starts going down that 10 o'clock we probably swing it the opposite way then that one o'clock we probably swing the opposite way if they come out and say something outlandish because again it's all about setting people up to do the wrong things in life that's what trading is is trying to set the critical mass you try and trade the wrong direction and once they're ready to trade the wrong direction going the correct direction and that was evident yesterday you can see everyone went short here so they decided let's go up you convince the critical mass to do something then you do the inverse and you can see that like they are collecting shorts and it's just being split actually so it's just so fighting 10 o'clock is it yesterday said get paid yeah get paid and again you can see the split and the difference of what was happening here you can see that areas where we have these sort of higher level of shorts that we are rejecting off of and areas where we have these longs again it should be reversed but we're not really sort of supporting ourselves except for on this this sort of area here you can see when we started shifting back into longs they're sort of coming back and saying oh yeah we'll hold these longs for now in terms of breaking you want it to break above this area here sort of be bullish I guess it just happens to be the daily imbalance makes sense it just means these shorts are underwater once these shorts are underwater they'll be dry to sort of hit these at these levels here at the first stop I mean if we're sort of looking again if we're sort of trading below below this area here that's an area you want to say okay it's sort of knell in the coffin we're gonna go down and we're gonna have to keep going below each sort of long area here and before we can sort of consider that to trade down terms of split wise there's more shorts than there is longs just from eyeballing it here you can see there's yeah if we add that together yeah it's about the same actually in this sort of concentrate area more shorts in this sort of wide out view of course there's more longs in this sort of market but it's just understanding if those longs are really sort of well and truly uh traders or just the market just pushing the market itself up yeah I mean it's first move if we're expecting down uh it should come out oh come on now actually let's see if if if in one minute whoever speaking decides to say something stupid hopefully it does and market price gets discounted you can see these sharp sort of long areas here it's just such a so much to retrace back but I don't think it does it truly well and truly the fact that it's keeping itself up here it's interesting there we go should hopefully see some effect now if not it will sort of drag it out until 10 o'clock which is nightmarish sort of wait for it yeah nothing out of the ordinary nothing too interesting just continuing itself down just selecting shorts yeah rejecting here I mean it just found its resistance so I mean you're probably safe to be in a short until sort of 10 o'clock at the most part uh until then we we haven't sort of really well and truly uh found a direction that we're willing to go yes finally down further that spells danger which is good for us uh you can see it's continuing to go down which is very very much you see that here very aggressive just finding finding its way further and further down just starting to spell starting to smell like trouble for it so if this continues to go down there's only one option for bitcoin to go down the fact that bitcoin hasn't been going down off the back end of this again just shows that it's happy in the newer price range here it's just waiting for ES to settle out before it can sort of catch up and I think it wants to sort of trade into the higher ranges because I think there's more invested interest in making it a bigger number that market till next week yeah hopefully not I mean yeah we do need to settle out a bit uh we do need to sort of like yeah I mean I think all coins might move better uh because bitcoin hasn't been moving a lot recently the fact that we've reprised again like ES went from here to here and just basically did nothing bitcoin just went from here to here and just said yeah we're happy here now in the same sort of distance that ES did everything it went from what 21k to 24k it's just stupid yeah 21 300 to uh 2400 you can see that it's just a very sort of very sort of large movement out of it relative to this low moving well almost non-moving sort of star here ES went to sleep I think he deserves a good sleep I mean we're already sort of ahead of the curve here so it only makes sense let me sort of sleep a little I mean we'll have a look at some more coins we'll see if they're in any position to sort of be in I mean yeah I mean everything's just coming back down just as long as it sort of holds this area here your item doesn't it doesn't look too bad again well that's what it feels like in six holds that you're sort of good uh Avax again you just need to go down a bit further I go all the way to 18 but broke broke that level here you can see and just flew to the next sort of resistance level just up top uh don't really have too much supporting it here to that 18 mark so it's just if it sort of holds this area a bit further down I mean it's moving up again just finding is everything basically all the all coins are just in the same area where they are into a level of resistance and they've got support down below but it's just a bit further down then we'd like it to be the most most part so that's something that you want to consider but we do have sort of 23 even as a support here but that looks like a really big range sort of spread so it's just probably waiting for a nice little double bottom if anything uh sort of being that one bitcoin again same thing where it's just at these high level of resistance and it's not really looking to you know am I on this one not spot one there you go it's at these high level of resistance and you got that bottom level resistance support here uh I mean it's just too high to sort of warrant any sort of entry but at the same time it's just been moving like a madman so we might only expect it to continue to move like a madman today but let's see one swipe to yeah it's I think it would have been too aggressive so I think it expected to sort of level out as least like it should sort of quiet outstay I mean the fact that it hasn't been going down off this disproportionate sort of move down uh it just shows that they're just they're not getting the right amount of orders here they're not getting the right amount of longs entering into the market to warrant that or they are getting that level of short as you can see here on this push down like uh yeah accumulating that and they've already sort of got rid of a lot of longs uh relative to this area here so it's it's nice to see that that'll probably sort of warrant uh price to potentially go up higher uh once we hit that 10 uh the fact that it's just accumulating short and not really getting any sort of anybody here on a breakout long just shows that okay this just was reprised and no one really got into uh enter into here or no one was really entering into here for too long uh it just shows that it's just very weak market uh moves where yeah like that and anyone who says they got that it's like oh yeah I got the pump uh it's just like uh not many people did uh and not many people were probably profitable in that swing high so that's something that you want to look at and just say okay cool like that everyone went short initially and then traded in but even the inverse shows that again looking very weak I mean looking how ETH is just trading back at this area here it just for like once in its life I think if it breaks it it'll be happy but I don't think it tries to break ash it should do I mean if it needs bitcoins help to break this and I don't think it breaks it by itself uh less and and yeah unless there's a miracle because realistically if there's no miracle it wants this trade back here before if we're continuing up high or we could have just done something like this if rejects it and continues lower and everything just depends on what sort of market sentiment is coming out of uh today I mean the fact that we're opening low just will say that okay 930 comes along la dee da dee da everyone sort of slams it down once then then it sort of trades inverse of what everyone opens up because that's why you wait for that 10 o'clock is because 930 will probably sort of slam it like super aggressively you can see that open here you can see that and 10 o'clock comes it just trades back down and just mellows out then it obviously consolidates into this long long hole here but it's just same story 9 o'clock everyone's sort of stricken to be long then everyone gets taken out of that market then it continues back into this area here it's just some most times you're gonna be like that's like okay cool everyone went sort of long it just held out a bit just told them to go go maybe take some sun rays somewhere else and held out a bit longer trying to just sell these guys off show them a double top and continue to need a buyer that's the name of the game is just ideally trying to trick people into trading the inverse so you can see that we're opening short here we're selling off everything's just selling off we'll see what 930 opens into 10 o'clock comes in we probably can if we're not going to get a double bottom by then uh then you just look for a double bottom but trade it inverse to that 130 then maybe a 130 we get something else if 130 doesn't present a new opportunity you're probably looking to just stay in the same same trade that you were in that prior but it's eight times out of 10 should should present a new opportunity if there's big news coming out but again other than running you guys around in circles and just saying the same things i think i'm pretty much done for what my bit gonna ask is and i don't think much much will change uh unless there's new ways sort of trades but i doubt it because we went over all the scenarios that i wanted to go possibly go over not many not too many scenarios just about two today not expecting too much out today uh i mean anything else uh you guys uh want they can try to just ask actually where's the kind of gold hopefully that's still going down yes it is still going down which is good for us we want it to go down uh we just i don't know we just want it to go down we're just hating on it don't really want to see too many analysis other than like yeah continue to go down continue to be sheepish uh go crew dwells in an interesting place uh it's a place where you go retail people trying to trade this again a lot they just see this i guess and they're just like oh yeah cool that's something that we can get behind and see that breakout by here that instantly get got stopped at this area here so you can see those breakouts that eventually led to this trading lower so maybe continue this uh downtrend lower but it's found some support if it doesn't hold this area here you're looking for it to probably slide a lot lower uh off of that but generally uh it's decent in terms of structure structural sort of play it's already found itself back down into this area sort of supported it's just a matter of fact if this candle comes back around for each round and hits these out the fpm uh not really i mean you finally hit that level that we're looking at but uh other than that it's just i mean look the the there was that miss level came back all the way down hit that monthly twice back up here i mean we want to look at lower time frame there you go sliding down hopefully it slides down a bit further i doubt it does one of the things that are looking strong looks like a big w i mean you got that hit up and see here where you just hit it's into these shorts i mean it's already ran these up here i mean longs where it's just run these longs out here hopefully collecting short here i mean the worst case you see it perched itself here uh then from there maybe something out of it uh it's like what five five four even can just depend on bitcoins behavior the fact that they're slowly winding down it's it's nice it means the collecting shorts rather than slight just uh using uh these longs up top so we'll see worst case i mean 22 i mean 24 to 50 we'll see what comes out uh actually yeah we'll see what comes out there see if it holds this area if it does and you're probably looking for it to slide a lot lower but it's coming to the stage where it should uh give you at least a double bottom i need to hear we'll see what ends up ultimately happening maybe this goes a bit deep exceeded uh then goes up like that but it's just all dependent on on that but mostly you're looking for that but sometimes you get that this doesn't hold consolidates a bit then there you go again that's that's pretty much it all like all like that oh there you go large pop it sounds as well you guys should be able to watch this by yourself you guys know what to expect hopefully uh enjoy the rest of your day guys enjoy the actually we've got still got tomorrow man i thought it was friday today god damn it uh enjoy the rest of your day guys trade safe and i hopefully will catch you guys tomorrow peace


Hello and welcome to UseClicks International Roundup. Today we are going to be talking about the US administration's decision to sanction the International Criminal Court and its officials following the ICC's decision to conduct an investigation into US war crimes in Afghanistan. Now the US decision was taken on Thursday. It has been widely condemned by the international community and to talk more about this we have with us Prabir Prakash. Prabir, thank you so much for joining us. So we do know that this issue has been going on for a while. In fact, we are looking at war crimes that took place from 2003 and it's a fairly long period. And the ICC did look into the issue last year. They initially said that they would not, they did not give a go ahead for a prosecution. This year in March they did and so the US has been building up this campaign against the ICC for quite some time. But this is also part of a larger issue considering that US never joined this court and has always questioned its legitimacy. Well as far as joining the court is concerned neither is Russia, China or India. So the US is not alone in that and of course Israel. But you know the bigger issue is that this threats against international organizations actually has been there for quite some time. If you remember John Bolton actually attracted in the ICC International Criminal Court precisely on this ground about three years back. And this threat was that they will sanction the individuals involved in the investigations and therefore not only they but even the families could suffer. So this is one track that they have been using that we're not going to only fight the institution concern but we're also going to make in some sense examples of the key officials.  Now and not only you but your family and Bolton if you remember had actually on the OPCW the organization looks after chemical weapons, the chemical weapons treaty and that I think it was Joseph Bustani who was the head of that who was a Brazilian. He not only was threatened but Bolton went so far further than that when in fact far enough to say your children studied the United States. So it was an implicit threat against his sons. Now this is the kind of politics that the United States has been playing sometimes openly but certainly behind the veil so to say. And this has now become far more clear on the issue of the sanctions against the ICC. Ben Souda the chief prosecutor of international criminal court and also her associates who are investigating this case but it is also not only the United States and Afghanistan case it's also the Israel's case. Israel has been also under investigations. I think it was announced in December last year and this has been building up and the US threats against the international criminal court predate. In fact it's opening investigations against Americans on the issue of Afghanistan essentially atrocities and they said they will investigate both Taliban, the Afghan government and the United States all three of them. So you can see clearly what the US is sending is a message that all international organizations have to accept US exceptionalism which of course was there by default and therefore if you don't accept that as a default state then of course we're going to come and use all the instruments that we can against you and it's not only the organizations but it is also the individuals. You can see also the Huawei case which of course is a very different case but you can see the target was not just Huawei but also the daughter of the largest shareholder in Huawei and when she was traveling on business and she was the chief financial officer of the CFO and she was arrested in Canada for violating the domestic laws of the United States. So the effective message that is being now passed and we had the earlier also the Noriega case. The US law runs all over the world but international law does not run in United States. This is the broad position that the US has. It is not sanctified shall we say but the sanctions are imposing on the people involved and of course international criminal court was really trying to rectify one glaring issue that has always plagued it that it went after African states leaders but it never went beyond that. It really except the Serbian case it really did not go beyond that and therefore this had been held that it was essentially a pawn in the hands of powerful western powers and that is what it was trying to get out of that no it can look at the issues of atrocities international human rights violations in places like Palestine and Afghanistan and of course that it does bring up the basic issue that is there in the world. Does the US writ run all over the world or is it that it is bound by international law and international treaties and the US position is that it doesn't and that's what comes out more brutally shall we say with the Bolton and the Trump than it does with more soft spoken persons earlier whether it be Barack Obama or it be Clinton. So when the Republicans of a certain stripe come into the administration it becomes more open. George Bush of course was as you know the architect of various wars but leaving that out he also had Bolton and it was under his presidency that Bolton had threatened the OPCW head Joseph Bustani. So you know those are the kinds of things which you normally associate with international thuggery. You don't associate with civil shall we say administration which claimed to be the global leaders but what we are seeing is really that and that is coming out in the absolutely shall we say without any veil in very naked form. Right and sort of take the aspect the international aspect a bit further. So we already talked about earlier how the US has continuously been withdrawing from treaties ready to disarmament and arms control. We also have a situation where an international body like the UN is increasingly or has been left almost toothless in the sense that although it has been passing resolutions against the blockade on Cuba for years they have basically had no effect. So how do and we also talked about this earlier but how do we see the idea of global governance itself at a time like this which also gains extra importance during the time of a pandemic. The WHO again is an organization which is either too respected but again the US has completely withdrawn from it and is leading a campaign against. Well I think you can see that there are three major fronts on which US at the moment is launching attacks on international organizations. I'm not talking about the treaties which you mentioned earlier. The three organizations right now on its radar crosshairs is essentially international court criminal court is not the international court of justice which the US is a party to international criminal court it wasn't ever a party to it's basically the IC international criminal court the World Trade Organization because it dares to also listen to complaints against the United States. So the US says as far as I am concerned I'm ruled by all my own laws you have to be ruled by my laws and international treaties is what it wants every other country to follow. So that was the World Trade Organization we have seen the trade organization virtually rendered toothless because the tribunal which is finally the body which allows the treaty to be implemented by passing judgments whether some what A has done is right or B has done is right that part of it has been completely rendered toothless because US has not accepted any new nominations in the tribunal so there is I think only one member left at the tribunal level and they need at least three to meet and pass judgment. So at the moment WTOs dispute the resolving mechanism has been rendered completely toothless. The third of course is in the pandemic we have seen the WHO because in spite of every warning that had been given the US decided it didn't have to listen to it it decided that knew much better it tried its own test kits not the WHO test kits and it failed miserably to stop the epidemic from entering the United States and having entered its huge spread that is taking place the US still is the largest number it is still the largest number of infected it's followed by Brazil and at the moment looks like the fourth highest is India Russia is the third highest but in terms of daily infections India is also the third highest so you have the United States, Brazil and India showing the largest number of infections per day and also the largest number of deaths per day at the moment so given all of this WHO would have been a central organization around which people could have coordinated their policies because you cannot fight a pandemic as an individual country you have to fight it globally now that means fight it globally with knowledge sharing knowledge of the not only knowledge but also equipment medicines vaccines that's how you fight the epidemic because you can't stamp the epidemic out at the global level then of course the epidemic continues in one part of the globe with the other and of course in respect to other countries again so given that this is the case where it is not the countries that are involved in terms of against each other it's not a zero some game I lose you lose it's not that if I lose you win so the pandemic the us and them is the virus versus us so in that condition a global collective action coordination is something that WHO was obviously the right platform to do it under and of course the United States decided that they needed a scapegoat so China was scapegoat number one and the scapegoat scapegoat number two was WHO mainly because China is able to control its epidemic therefore swamp the US in a very bad light so therefore it also needed further scapegoats what it calls accessories and therefore the WHO has become the shall we say the sacrificial goat in battle Trump's battle to win his second term absolutely right thank you so much for being talking to us that's all we have time for today keep watching news click


There's good news for motorists who travel along Highway 371 from Niswata, Jenkins. All four lanes are now open. Sarah Winkelman was at the ribbon-cutting ceremony today and has more. It's a celebration. That seemed like a long time coming. It went so fast.  But for us it was fast. It was two years and two months since we first drove up here and started scouting around in the woods and trying to figure out what was going to happen. The Highway 371 project was the first of its kind in the area as it took the form of a design build. Usually we have a plan and we know right away what we're doing and how we're going to get there. In this case we knew where we wanted to end up but not necessarily the details and how we were going to get there. The 50 million dollar project has been in the works for nearly two decades. I was actually the original project manager in 2001 for the development of the environmental statement. So it's been a long time I've been involved with the project so it was nice to see a project with that size finally being completed. It's a massive project that has impacted several local communities and the Paul Bunyan Trail. When we came up and started knocking down the entire North Woods it seemed like you know we were not everybody's friend at all and so we knew we had to slowly back over 2 years we would prove that that we are a good company and we can do this right. The project was originally planned to be completed by the end of October but even with some additional challenges all four lanes are now open and so we had to figure out how to not to let the water go into the ground in all of the sand ground and the design kind of stopped for about 2 months as we had to figure this out because it's a new challenge that no one had met before. A town that once was divided by the highway can now reunite. It really does allow us an opportunity to join the two sides of town together and make a wonderful town center and park so we're very much looking forward to that. Now the only thing left to do is to drive and enjoy. Reporting in Pequot Lakes, Sarah Winckelman, Lakeland News. The crew still has some cleanup to finish but it won't affect traffic. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


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Hello everyone. Good morning. Good afternoon. Welcome to the 7 September Hyperlegio TOC meeting. Quick note before we get started. So the TOC charity Tracy will take some time today to join. So I'll kickstart the meeting and we will let Tracy join in and then I'll hand over to her once she joins in. So before we get started with the meeting, I see all the participants on the call. We are all familiar with the antitrust policy. So we are all people joining in from different companies. We are all expected to behave well in the community. I hope we are all familiar with the other relevant classes within the antitrust policy itself. I'll move on. All are welcome in the community. So if you have something to say, please raise your hand and we will let you speak up. And moving on to the agenda items, the announcements for today. There will be Dev Weekly newsletter that gets sent to a large number of developer community who's come to Hyperlegio website and they subscribe to Hyperlegio's newsletter. And this is really a good forum for sharing information across on what's happening within the Hyperlegio community because this reaches to a very large number of community members. So if you are a project maintainer or if you are planning to organize an event or if you have something related to project that you want to talk about or anything in general, even if you have a blog article or a feature that you want to discuss about. All that is needed is go to this link and add a comment saying that this is the information that I want everyone to know about. And that's it. That's how it would be. I'll cover this next item. Sure. This is basically a website update. The governing board approved this policy on April 2, 2019. And this is just a complete iteration of the approved licenses. And when you can and cannot use licenses, specific licenses. This has recently become in another context. Let's come up in another context that this wasn't very well documented. There's another project that wants to use a license and Tracy point this out that this was an oversight on our part. So that's all this is saying this is not a change. It's just been added to the website. So to you or unless anyone has a question. Um, we're good. So, so I think we discussed about this briefly in one of our previous to call as well. Um, so eventually we will get this and party was a discussions. So, um, one of the thing that we could look into is about allowed licenses that I was talking about, we can put up a policy through the to see. Okay. Yep. Thanks for bringing that up. So was there a question there? Oh, no, I was about to cover the context for why this was being discussed. Okay, moving on to the agenda, the continuing the agenda items. We have two quarterly reports that are up for review. Sella was raised about a week ago and. Sorry, so long was raised about a week ago and shallow is raised. It's in rough state. I don't see any comments as such for the so long report. And I don't see any reviews happening on the seller report. And if you have any questions that needs to be discussed from the report, please bring them up. Okay. And related to the quarterly report itself. I don't see anybody raising a concern on that. So, some message from Nico that hyper ledger fire flies report is due. And that will be. The project team is requesting for extension to sign their report for this quarter. Any comments from anybody. Or any thoughts. This is with respect to firefly quarterly report. And Nico's question. If he can delay a week. We would need to vote on that. Right. I'm so I know previously very recently, even hyper ledger sort of was asking for extension. We, I mean, we could generally ask the TLC member and we can assume that TLC is okay with it. Unless somebody raises any questions and concerns. Again, one more call. Like, if you have any concerns or comments for the hyper ledger firefly, please raise it now. Otherwise, we will assume we can proceed with assumption that we are okay to extend, give them an extension by one week. If you want anybody to verbalize their agreement I do. And then a week is really not much to say so. That's reassuring. So. Okay, so we will assume. I mean, we, so based on this discussion, we, we will now proceed assuming that firefly team has been granted on mobile to send a report in. So, moving on, I know hyper ledger transact report was due. And I did reach out to the project team and asked them for the extension. If they want to the project itself to stay to remain in the dormant state. The other option is the transact project go into end of life and as per our governance documents that still allows them to a period of about six months to remain for maintenance. I haven't heard back on that particular comment itself. However, the project team has replied to the previous question that they would like to remain in dormant for six more months. Any concerns or comments on that topic. I think it's fine to live in dormant for now. Excellent. Doesn't really hurt anything. Peter. If they don't already have. The some sort of dormancy notification on the read me then I would recommend that they put it on. That's that's the only thing I'm just I would just be very that. If it's dormant and they're applying. We're asking to be dormant. Again, as in continually. Then I would be very that people. See the project page and then assume that it's not dormant. If there's not a very clear, very bold letter notification on the top of the read me that says so. Thanks Peter. So I can confirm that the transact repository has a reading. And that is a warning text, which says the transact project is in dormant state. References that you will see. Issue from there. In addition to that, it also says that any new development within terms like now happens within the sort of library. Yeah, that works for me. No other comment or concern. Thanks Peter. Any other concerns. If not, thank you everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome to the discussion items for today. We have discussed as the update on our security process. The policy document that we wanted to put up as part of our governance. So just before the start of this meeting, I was also trying to discuss if we should. How we should proceed with this particular topic. What I had was that we have been discussing about the security process policy and. The recent discussions that have happened on the TLC meeting, all suggest that everybody have agreed to the policy statement itself and the process that we should adopt. However, what is pending is. How that policy should be presented out to maintainers and in our governance documents. So. I understand. Stephen is occupied, but he has agreed to put forward a PR for it. And he has also tried it out on how the document would look like within the airy suppository. I was thinking that if we should vote on the policy. Or should we still wait for the, the, the exact text to be put down before we pick it up for voting. Any thoughts or comments from the TLC member? Yes, Peter. I know it's probably a little paranoid, but as for me, I would recommend that we only vote on it once everyone has put in their changes that they want. So that the document is finalized so that there is a 0% chance of it happening that a specific sentence sort of word gets added in the last. That someone really disagrees with and then they just don't agree with it because of that. I know the risk of this is very low, but I would prefer it to be zero because it just keeps life simpler. Thanks Peter. I would also agree. I think we've already kind of verbally agreed on it. So I think we might as well just wait for the final PR, and we can just vote in the PR itself, or by approving it. Thank you. I see thumbs up from Peter. So I would assume we'll wait for the PR. So then we'll switch over to the next agenda item, which is a task for discussion. So this would be the first meeting within the Security Artifact Signing Task Force. The goal for this is to discuss about what should be the process that we follow across all Hyperledger projects and how do we protect the releases that we produce or of the releases that we generate through the Hyperledger Foundation and other repositories. So the topic is wider and I'm, I'm starting the task force like as a few comments that I can get started with are a few pointers that I can share through my screen share, and we can then possibly take it from there. If everyone is okay with that. Let me open my terminal. I just want to have, so I had the option to go through the six doors, which is offered through OpenSSF. So it's a collection of tools and utilities that OpenSSF has that we can adopt within Hyperledger ecosystem. I'm just trying to pull up my notes that way we can start. I can share that and start discussing the topic. Just give me a moment. So I hope you can all see my screen. So I'll briefly cover these aspects. I know I'm not and few of the TOSA members on the call are familiar with and have much more information than maybe what I do. But I'll try to give more information on what we are going to discuss as part of the Task Force. So the problem statement that we are trying to address is to to sign the releases, the artifacts that we produce from within Hyperledger Foundation repositories. It is required so that if I'm a consumer of the project or a specific artifact that is produced through the Hyperledger Foundation, then I have a means for me to verify that what I am consuming is the valid artifact that was produced through this process, right? Otherwise, there is risk that because the code is open source that somebody can clone and add some vulnerable code or any malicious activity can be performed and a binary can be produced that has potential of raising risks. So that's like a very 30,000 feet view of the kind of problem statement that we would try to address through this process. So digging further, specifically talking about six store in particular that if we plan to adopt as part of the project available from within OpenSSF, the project itself or like the ecosystem comes with a set of tools than just one single tool, right? So the main objective for us is to have a mechanism or a process where we can sign the artifact and establish a process for people to verify that the signed artifact is indeed what was produced. Now, how do we prove these things? And it is possible for us to have our own infrastructure set up and then do it as part of any releases that a particular organization would do, a software vendor would do, but is that needed for an open source project or like would there be any other options for us to follow? That's where this exploration goes on, right? So the OpenSSF six store has these components, one of that component is called full show. I hope I'm pronouncing it right. So this is a CA infrastructure that is available or probably you can equal, it's an equivalent to a CA infrastructure. The objective of this particular component is to let users of this project go there, authenticate themselves, tell who they are and let the full show generate a temporary certificate that is valid for a shorter period of time. And the key associated with that particular certificate can then be used to perform the signing operation. Now, what's the advantage of this? It's advantages are in terms of the short-lived certificate that we just discussed, right? And also the infrastructure itself provides a mechanism where we do not have to share or store the private key anywhere publicly. So typically if we were to do signing operation without such an infrastructure, we would go and place our secrets somewhere within, let's say, Github Secrets, store it there, pull it during the Github Action phase, and perform the signing operation and that leaves us with challenges of how do we manage the key, who owns it and the whole problem statement associated with that threat. So that's the advantage that full show brings in. Now, the other component that OpenSSF has within 6.0 is a component called cosine. Now, the cosine is, you can consider that to be a client. They do have a CLI and they do have SDKs that we can utilize depending on our need and where we want to utilize it. So the cosine has options for us to perform the required verification or the signing operations, right? And it does provide us commands to do so on a binary block or it could be on a container image itself that we produce. The commands are different, but the concept would remain similar. So that's the gist of what the cosine component is. The other component that the 6.0 has is record. Now, what is this and why is it important? It's immutable and transparent, up and only ledger and not necessarily a blockchain. I know we are all familiar with the blockchain technology. So this is a public ledger or publicly available information and what it records is, every time we perform a signing operation, the produced signed information gets recorded on the record and it allows for somebody who wants to verify to go and fetch the relevant information for their verification purposes. So there are some questions that I could not get answered to I'll bring those up in the later section and we can discuss if others have more information about that. The other component that we will be utilizing is or rather an optional component that is available. And that will help people who adopt hyper ledger binaries or container images in their development or production environment is this policy controller, right? So it's a controller that's available through the 6.0 and this allows for somebody who is downloading container images which are produced within hyper ledger foundation to go and verify if these images were produced as expected, right? From the expected through the by following the expected process from within the open source means that we have done. Now, it's always important that we not just sign but also establish a mechanism for verification as well. Signing short, we can ask developers and the maintainers to adopt a process. However, it is not effective unless the people who are using those artifacts have a means for verifying that or at least they are aware of what they should be doing in order to verify these signatures. So that's where this comes in handy. And some of our projects within hyper ledger foundation, we can recommend those projects, especially which deals with the deployment related things and the projects which do have a chance to see if they can adopt this component into their projects. That's the, I would still treat that as an optional component, but it is important that we document that component. So that's the gist of what is available through the 6.0. In terms of advantages, I guess we discussed that we are not going to store any sensitive information and there's no potential risk of leaking it. And we can shorten the duration of those generated artifact, the key, the validity of the certificate we can shorten that on demand. And in terms of authentication. No, no, in terms of adopting this within hyper ledger build processes or it or maybe get actions that we have. What all thanks to we have, it is possible for us to utilize the GitHub based authentication. And the full show provides that why DC connection which can utilize github's authentication. It does have other authentication means as well. And the. So, so I see a risk in terms of how we handle that identity. With the authentication, I was trying to automate when I was doing the hands on and understanding the 6.0. I see a risk there or when I say risk, it is with respect to should the project teams be allowed to manage this or should it be through the community architects within the hyper ledger foundation right. So, that's one risk that I saw. Now, continuing the other things that that may be of importance for us to discuss here is with respect to verification right. And I know I said record is a public record, which captures all the information that we can later audit. Now, just this thinking through what information would somebody need in order for them to verify the, the, the information which is present on record or like verify their artifact against the information presenting records. So, this has this led me this particular question led me to two parts. One was with respect to container image itself. The other part was with respect to like blob artifacts that we produce. With respect to container image itself. I found that during my experiment that the the signed manifest that we produce, it also captures information relevant for verification along with the container image right and it is possible for us to establish a means for verifying that. However, when it comes to like any other artifacts or blob that we produce. If we perform signature using cosine. I did not find effective means for us to store that information. Right, we need to look for storing that information and this information includes the long log index that that we need for verification and the signature text that we need for verification, the ephemeral certificate, the information that was used during the sign operation. So open SSF six store does define a way to capture all of this or bundle all of this into common structure that we can store somewhere, but I did not find effective means I may be again wrong like if others are familiar please to share that information. I did not find a mechanism to store this information for blob artifacts. And the other thing that I observed was the attestation that we do the common structure that I was talking about that captures all of this can be at maximum have a size of 100 kb. So the summary of all the exploration that I was able to perform prior to this meeting. I can show these commands through a terminal but before that I'll probably pause and open up for comments. And or any thoughts or questions. Hey, I'm sorry, I need to read. Sorry, I'm sharing the screen so it's difficult for me to see what's happening. I assume Peter you raised your hand first. Hello. Yeah, I can hear you and I think just no one else has spoken up yet. Okay. Hey Peter. Peter you're on mute if you're talking to the floor with yours. Maybe connection issues Peter we can't hear you. Yeah. Jim, since your hands up, let's let your sort out is audio. Yeah, it's pretty noisy in your audio is pretty choppy. So Peter will come back. We'll go with Jim and we'll come back to you in a while. Sorry about that. Yeah. Thanks Aaron. I'm not familiar with this suite of of tools here. I guess my first question is that short lived certificate for code signing. Is it a prevalent practice for for using short lived certificates, I would imagine during verification this will be a problem if your codes, you know, the signature on your on your signed package is against a expired certificate. So the short lived certificate concept. That's the uniqueness that we gain when we follow the six store project. Now the information me. I mean the verification purposes right so we would need that short lived certificate and we would need to know that that was the corresponding certificate that the signing key was associated with at the verification time. And I understand like it gets expired because it's a short lived. So the public record that we have in through the record. That's the proof that we have to verify that this was a short lived certificate that existed back when it was produced and it was signed. So there is one publicly hosted instance of record there is also a possibility for somebody to host this outside of that public instance. So these are available both for deployment and and running instance of record. So just to validate my understanding, if a customer needs to validate a signed binary or a Docker image. They first need to look at the certificate to verify the signature, and then they have to query the ledger to make sure it's properly registered there. This is the two step thing right and they have to, they have to build a custom code in their pipeline. I assume most of them just look at the signature against the certificate on the binary itself but now they have to to make specific enhancements in their pipeline to make queries to this ledger. So, I mean that's right. These tools that I spoke about like the cosine tool does have the capabilities for verification built into it. So if I am the controller that I spoke about policy controller that is available that also has an option for verification in built within it. So the in terms of adoption that would be utilizing these tools that we need to look into into our pipelines. Okay, I'm trying to pull up the, sorry, go on. Yeah, I guess the last question, hopefully a quick one is a six door a sort of a standard or popular toolkit. How is it adopted currently. I'm not aware of the adoption aspect. But it is getting popular as I speak defense is hard. You're the right person. Yeah, I was going to say, Jim it's popular and becoming more popular like the CNCF uses six door for instance, several other large Linux foundation projects use six door. The perfect signing is rapidly becoming a security requirement and six store seems to be the choice for open source projects. Thanks, heart that helps. Sorry, I couldn't find my button. This is six door is becoming more widely adopted within LF. I mean that's the plan record for LF. So it's not a mandate, but more and more LF projects are depending on it. Anyway, Marcus, I see your hands up. Yeah, thank you. So one question I mean, as you say, right that I mean hyperlateral is using six door, but are those Linux foundation projects then using this public instance of six door or in particular we call as a back end and I believe this instance is provided by Google at the moment. And I mean, I find the six door project pretty sexy. I must admit, despite the fact that yet it applies ledger technology which is not distributed in terms of trust. So, yeah, right. I just wanted to say that it is hosted publicly and it is through the sponsorship of different companies may not be of a single company. Right. Do you want to add to that? No, that's fine. It's if you go, if you go to six door dev. There's a lot more information there. And would it make sense that the Linux foundation also runs a week or service them. I'm just guessing here. I can't answer that off the top of my head. I will have to dig into it to find out what stores. The LF is pushing towards so I can't answer your question. Okay. Maybe hot or I know I have more insights. I don't know. Well, I would say it makes sense, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will happen. Okay, so Marcus, maybe we'll take that as an open question that we can check back and come back in the later calls. Thanks for that. Peter, I see you next. Can you hear me now? Better. So I'm looking into this. I thought you get Peter. Because I wanted to self host or not. Oh, no. Can you hear me now? Is it better? Hello. We could, but you broke when you were talking about something that you wanted to say. Yes. Since I was researching it last night, and I found that there's five people on their list who have root signing keys. It's like a committee of key holders. And I don't know any of them personally. So I want to just ask anyone actually knows any of these people. Here's the link. I'll put it on the discord. Because if we can trust, if we, if anyone here knows any of those people personally, then I wouldn't mind trusting them. Otherwise, maybe it makes sense to self host our own. That was my initial take based on the last night's research. Can you still hear me? We could. And we understood your question. Thanks for that. We will wait for your link. I remember there was a link in the sixth store. I put it on discord. Perfect. Thank you. And I tried to share the screen, but it won't let me. Oh, sure. Go on. Peter, where did you put this in discord? The number. 2020 meeting. TLC. We still don't see that Peter maybe it's the connectivity issue. Yeah, and if you can, you can try to share your screen. Can you see the screen? We do. Okay. So these are the folders for public instance from what I could gather. And ideally, for instance that we use, I prefer to know at least one of the people on the list personally. Because otherwise, for all I know these people could be completely fictional.  They are not fictional. People. Awesome. Okay, that's good enough for me. So then based on that, I think we could use the public instance that's available. So one thing I wanted to add is, I mean, Oh, there has been discussions because six stores part of open SSF and there's been discussions about whether open SSF should take over the running of the instance that has been maintaining. I think Marcus is right. It's funded by Google today. I don't know if it will happen or not. There's, there's, there's no active discussion on that point that I know off, but it has been brought up before. The other thing I wanted to say is, you know, the way to think of six store this is kind of their one liner is the motivation for six store in the first place was in a way that's similar to let's encrypt, which is similar to anybody to, to, to, to have keys so that they could use HTTPS and make HTTPS prevalent. They said we wanted to make a system that allowed signing artifacts in a similar way, cheaply, I mean freely reading and simply. So that's kind of where they come from. I assume that's what you also wanted to call out. Hi Dave. Hi, so I just didn't understand who was actually doing the signing which identity is it is it the identity of hyper ledger or a specific project or a specific maintainer on a project. Do we know that yet. I can show, I can share my screen again. Good. Well the answer is anybody can do it right so you can you can I mean the release manager could do it.  You can sign them. And, and the metadata associated with the container image on the registry, they can be the envelope information so that they can find the pointer to the record in the, in the record instance to verify the certificate and signature. So, Arnaud, whoever signs up on the website to create an account can get issued a certificate. Yeah, anybody can do there's no KYC. Open ID. No, there isn't, but with open ID connect I mean you they rely on the way the email address really right. Okay, and so with a registered name be like my own name or would it be hyper ledger. I captured the gist right so this is something that we should discuss within to see on how we should adopt if we plan to adopt this. I'm sharing a screen to to visualize how that would look like for instance right. So as I'm not said as long as anybody have a means to authenticate themselves with the full show through IDC. They can sign any artifact that they produce. And we all we need to do is probably just import this cosine into our pipeline and add the sign command instead of you know I'm showing the verify here but that would be like sign command and then use this identity and I authenticate with this full show. I've signed it right so now the record has a log entry for somebody who wants to verify. They would need to supply the identity which they trust. And the signature that they're planning to verify with the OIDC. It ensures that they want to verify this identity against. So, if we were to adopt in order to answer that question of who owns that identity and then should it be maintainer of a project or the hyper ledger foundation. We could discuss that if we need to put policy around it. It is possible for us to have for instance right like hyper ledger wide identity that we use for all the artifacts. And let the staff maintain it. I don't know I'm just calling out random things here but if that's an if that's a responsibility that the staff can pick it up and they maintain the identity and they can provide that means for different teams in their pipelines to perform the signing and then through hyper ledger we can say if hey if you want to verify any artifact that is produced outside of our repositories. Here is a means for you to verify. Sorry. Put that answer your question. So, the gist is like we need to come up with a policy if we want to. We can use the hyper ledger bot account that exists to do these signatures. Or some similar sort of account that would basically be a hyper ledger. GitHub organization wide. Key that we we store and then the GitHub actions could use that. Yes. Hyper ledger bot already owns a bunch of the publication stuff. So, the answer is, I mean, could it be done. Yes, do I think it should be done. Probably. I don't think there's any more since that account is already publishing a bunch of our artifacts. I don't think there's any additional risk from having those artifacts signed by that account, but everyone on the call is free to disagree. Thanks, right. Thanks. Peter. I agree that it would be. Wait, can you hear me. Okay, sorry. I agree that it would be much more convenient. If it was a staff maintained key and identity and the but did it all. But at the same time, I will say that maybe that's a good first step, but we could also after that step by step work on the solution where individual maintainers can or has to have to also sign so that if there is a malicious binary out there for whatever reason, probably a key compromise, then we can tell whose identity was stolen and compromised and used to do a malicious sign. But that's just that's that's the least convenient way of doing it. And so I agree that just to take one step at a time we could probably just get going with the common staff maintained keys and ideas. So I have not looked into this at all. But I imagine it would be fairly trivial to have much like we have per repo secrets. I imagine it would be fairly easy to have per repo or per project keys. So if one of them was compromised, it wouldn't compromise the entire stack. I don't know the answer to that. So I'm just going to imagine that that's true. And I promise you all look into it. I'm going to go with hard first. Yeah, that should definitely be possible and we would want to do per project keys anyway right. I think so per project or perhaps even per repo. Yeah, even per sub project I mean we we could let the pro my my thought on this was that we let the projects decide how exactly they want to structure their own. And obviously like areas is going to work a little differently than fabric. Thanks heart. Yeah, Tracy. But we do need some sort of consistency for people who are using hyperledger packages to be able to verify them. Correct. I had come in Sunday but I'll go with markers. I'm wondering, I mean, why can't we just I mean, do this as the hyperledger foundation to host by ourselves. I mean, we could, for instance, have a repository where we basically publish the public public signing keys for each individual project and then mean just sign our artifacts and basically tell the people hey, in order to validate this artifact go to this official hyperledger repository on GitHub and use the information to validate the artifact you don't just download it. So, in broad strokes, I agree. One difficulty there. One difficulty there is. I would say ownership. I mean, GitHub, people in GitHub that have the owner role is a fluid set of people. Because all LF it staff can self assign themselves can assign themselves ownership of any repo. We could have another. We can talk through that. But the list of people who have the ability to do stuff to repos owned by hyperledger is unknown. And all we can do if something happens is look at the audit log and see who did it. So I, you know, that's the only downside that I can think of Marcus. I'm not sure if this is a better idea. I mean, a better approach in contrast to six though but I'm just trying to put this on a table and discuss if this is, let's say, a good homegrown alternative. And the point you raised that maybe, I mean, hyperledger stuff would be able to manipulate the data or the GitHub history of that repository. Well, I mean, if there's a way to audit this, that's fine. I mean, the same thing you do then this week or anywhere, right. Well, I'm talking on the org level, not the repo level. So let me share my screen here quickly. So right now, here is the audit log. So this is something that less, I think you would have to delete the org to clean or edit the audit log. So this is the organization audit log. When it comes to who can do what to a repo. That's the, you know, that's the part that I was on about. If we look at So this is the current list of people that are org owners. So, you know, it's, this is a fluid list. You know, when it comes to the audit log, this is less fluid. This is something that GitHub controls. But I guess the same issue we would have if hyper ledger would run their own six store instance right someone some hyper ledger stuff will get access to this instance and control it through somewhere. I don't know, I guess. So I guess that the question there is, do we, the hyper ledger maintainer project maintainers trust the immutability of the public six store that's being run, you know, by the other team. Do we trust that more or less than the immutability of our own six store. Right. Thanks, Marcus. So I wanted to say a couple of things. First, I mean, following up to Marcus, you know, point about where we could just sign publish public keys. Yes, we could. I mean, this is the way we used to do that 20 years ago. I remember what we are publishing releases of some apache software was working on. And it was just like, yeah, you put the top file on the on your on your server with the signature attached to it and that's it. I mean, one of the motivations of store was that is the observation that this is often done poorly. It forces people to deal with public keys and certificates that they typically don't do very well long term. And one of the advantages of six store is that with this mechanism of the transparency log, a record, you know, you only need short live certificates that is produced by social on demand. And so you don't have to keep the certificate around for a long time, and it reduces the exposure and the problems with people losing keys and whatnot.  But yes, you could do it differently. There's no doubt.  I haven't done that in over a year now, but my experience has been that, you know, it's well designed in terms of making it super easy to use so that the basic operations of publishing, signing things is very easy. So that's the advantage. It, they really looked at the pain points of the traditional way of publishing, you know, signed artifacts and say how high can we modernize this to make it super easy and mobile. Thank you. But I guess we could also think about a hybrid model right I mean we could still use cosine for other stuff. But I mean, but instead of using their lecture technology, I mean we just use something which we already own. Like a GitHub repository. Yeah, we could. I have to say I'm a bit surprised by the general worry there that I'm sensing about we cannot trust this system. Maybe we're I mean today we're not doing any of this. And, and all of all of a sudden we're saying oh wait, we're going to rely on something that's maintained by some other party we don't really know. I don't know if we can do that. It might be extreme. I don't know. No, I agree. I mean, I think we should definitely do this instead of doing nothing. That's that's true. I mean, if down the line we feel like okay, this is not a trustable system we need to adopt our own instance, you know, so big but I think for now we shouldn't burden ourselves with that honestly. No. Mark was the same. I have comments but I see it's already 10 one. It's so we are. We are at the summit of this meeting. Unless if anybody has any other questions, we will continue these discussions in our upcoming task force meetings. Great. Thank you, everyone.


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