hear from everybody and I'd like to have them to be heard Whether you agree with them or not without disruption or intimidation or distraction with your comments in the audience It shows respect to your fellow citizens And I think that's the responsibility of all of us as we engage in this process So as we left it was group presentations I'll go ahead and invite up the next group presentation that we had a request for and that's Stacey falls and lee brokaw from the santa cruz chapter of the aclu of northern california And you'll have up to four minutes and I ask those in the audience to let them speak without disruption or Or interference, so please go forward. You'll have four minutes. Um, thanks for having us here We're here representing the aclu of northern california and we find that in general Camping bands even with these proposed changes attack Amount to a cruel and unnecessary attack on some of the least powerful Most vulnerable residents of the city We urge you in the strongest possible terms to reject this camping band even with these proposed changes It is undisputed that there are not enough beds in the city for all the homeless people in the city Which makes martin versus boise applicable regardless of whether there is a bed at that moment for that particular person These changes would open the door to abuse For example, it's possible that multiple people having various different encounters with different officers on different beats Might be cited On the basis that they could have taken one of those four to eight available shelter spots and what ends up happening is it's sort of a Shelter bed version of musical chairs or we are concerned About whether police will know at any given moment in time if there are shelter beds available Can a person be cited even if it is impossible or impractical for the person being cited to get to that shelter space without police Transport If this provision remains the ordinance should require the notice of an open shelter bed to be in writing Including the date time and specific shelter space that the officer believed was available so the information can be verified later We also have concerns about the prohibition against daytime use of tents and other things that might constitute an encampment Um prohibiting homeless individuals from setting up a camp from 7 a.m. To 10 p.m Just guarantees that homeless people will have to live out of a shopping cart or whatever else they can find for their possessions It is cruel to force people to assemble and disassemble their tents Pack and unpack all their belongings particularly in the pouring rain When it's guaranteed that everything will end up absolutely sopping wet More over martin referred to the impropriety Impropriety of ordinances prohibiting sleeping sitting or lying in public not just sleeping And was tied to the availability of shelter um A person has a constitutional right to be in public At any time any other reading would require unhoused persons to be in a perpetual state of standing for 15 hours per day Furthermore we were we are concerned about what enforcement of this ordinance looks like that is how does How does a police officer know if someone is homeless and hanging out in the park with a tent with the intention of staying all night All night, or maybe it's just somebody like jeff bezos having an outing in the park with the tent How do we avoid people being profiled based on the way they look? It is very clear that there is a crisis in the avail availability of affordable housing Camping bands do not solve this problem They in fact make the problems worse because people end up with criminal records That makes it even harder to find a job or to find housing or even to apply for public benefits And these types of approaches are also really expensive Solutions to homelessness will require extensive investment in affordable housing job opportunities accessibility and a range of public services But as long as the city police and some of our businesses believe that the evidence of homelessness can be hidden Or swept away by policing and criminalization There will never be enough money For us to adequately adequately address the real issues The last speaker is surge uh cagno on behalf of his group and membership that he's speaking on behalf of this evening stepping up Santa Cruz We'll go ahead and let uh Search go ahead and please you have up to four minutes Okay, this time. I'm gonna talk louder because I never talk loud enough Um Bonnie hill who I don't know if it's confirmed. It was her Um, she Yeah, she was a super sweet woman. She stayed at winter shelter a few times Um It i'm really sad like if you knew her she was a little cutie Um, I hope you come december 19th to the homeless memorial. It'll be a harvey west at 10 a.m and we'll uh every year we have a memorial for all the homeless who have died in our community Um, I'm glad that we talked about health in all policies earlier. I think that's important and I'm glad that That is some of the Santa Cruz thinking as opposed to the bigger political Thinking that doesn't make these kind of thoughts. Um, I I wish that In this thing too, we can find some way to do it And I I really understand the frustration of the police and understand of city manager and city attorney of their job They're not social servants. They're not doing social services None of you guys like work are right now running a shelter or doing social services either It's not your job to get somebody into some sort of program or get somebody into housing that kind of thing Um, we all serve in different ways and we do different things Um, but to design these programs that are about it is about criminalizing a behavior because we're frustrated with the behavior And when I hear the police chief say that they have no tools in their tool belt I I understand that because they're they're policemen. They're not the When I try to connect with somebody who doesn't want to be in any service and the the Resistance is they're dealing with police and enforcement far more than they're dealing with social workers and outreach If we were doing that kind of thing and when trying to meet people so it um Another thing that chief mills mentioned was some people do not want helper assistance. How do we gain compliance? So on the catch we did a Um, a quick survey 75 people. Why do you not why will you not accept winter shelter this winter? Reasons and these are also things that it wouldn't work in the middle of the night with a policeman trying to get them into shelter been kicked out Sexual offender registry They have lice bedbugs scabies or they're afraid of getting them from the shelter and they don't want to go anxiety and ptsd because They're they're pretty close together. There's like eight inches between people a lot of the time Uh snoring. Oh, it's crazy loud there. Can't leave at night that drives some people nuts poor training by staff and feeling Disrespected can't keep all of their belongings stuff stolen Having a pet that's not a service dog can't go Um non ada accessible bathrooms and showers and don't want to feel the judgment for the people who are in wheelchairs And do smell like poo They don't want to be around people who are going to judge them when they can't change their circumstance They don't go to the shelter because of that Um and other people head injury stroke heart attack the different things that make you choose different ways There is a lot of stuff that goes into it when a policeman is talking to somebody about Hey, we have a shelter bed for you go or i'm gonna site you or arrest you um There's a lot that goes into that conversation and I I hope that I think that a lot of this stuff has to be worked out a little bit more something smoother an outreach team or something else That can be working with people that can be building Relationships and stuff like that because that too in the morning conversation is not going to go well Because they don't have the the tools to do it. They're not set up that way They're not funded with social workers to go with them at night um I'm glad that there was talk of the letter from the disabilities right california aclu of northern california national law center on homeless It's poverty. I hope you do read that because it says a whole bunch of things that were problematic with that Um, I'm not a lawyer. I can't say which one's right Your time is up surge And there were a few recommendations from the catch too. Thank you. Okay Public comment Please come forward and you'll have up to two minutes Mayor Watkins attorney kandadi Martin Bernal chief mills and others You are systematically and persistently violating the civil and human rights of your constituents Who you are elected to serve? Just because they don't live in a gleaming mansion on the west side Doesn't mean that they don't the homeless don't deserve to be treated with any less dignity Or be any less represented in how their government operates than millionaires or billionaires Through ill advised efforts to sweep homelessness out of public view The leaders of san the city of santa cruz have violated the majority of the articles of the united nation's universal declaration of human rights In one form or another Here are some examples Article one all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights Article five No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment Article 13 Everyone has the right of freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state Article 17 everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property article 25 Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family including food Clothing housing and medical care and necessary social services And the right to security in the event of unemployment sickness disability widowhood old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control So what do I need to do ask the u.n. Human human rights to send a humanitarian mission here to respond to the dire situation that our homeless population is facing Now that it's cold and raining with winter coming soon and the city's response is woefully inadequate And a couple of more comments of restricting sleeping at night Which is only at night Does not serve people who work at night And how many city staff have been assaulted by homed people Next speaker This has been an amazing evening so far and What I want to talk about is quite a bit different and in some ways i'm addressing it to Everyone who's sitting up here, but it's not mostly what we've heard um I was away last night. I arrived about 12 30 this afternoon very tired It had started to rain the heat was off where I lived it was quite cold in my house So I turned on the the tv wanted to see what was happening here And the first thing that struck me was how bundled up all of you were scarves sweaters heavy coats and Tonight and Every time you meet you were acting on the fate of a whole lot of people in santa cruz who are unhoused I wanted to think about that there you are with your warm things, you know me too and um You are part of a group of people to which I belong And we are called the housed privileged It's kind of like white privilege only it's growing up with the knowledge that you probably always will have a Roof over your head if you want it you might want to go camping You might want to hitchhike across the country, but You're privileged and I am privileged And I think this is so important to remember on a night like this Every time you meet every time these rules come up for you um The other thing I wanted to speak about was how trespassing gets in the way of everything else that has been talked about But many other people have addressed that and maybe I'll put it in writing to you because I think it's an important issue That really hasn't been made central How every all the public property in this town is now a park and off limits Members of council, my name is uh john hall and um, I'm a professor of sociology at ucsc I want to take a step back from a lot of the discussion that's been really eloquent and A lot of people have said far better than I what social scientists have said I also want to point to what chief mills said. You're not going to solve the homeless problem with this ordinance Uh, I would go further than that. You're going to increase the homeless problem with this ordinance and I'm just going to I'm just going to read from the oxford university press journal social problems from a recent Abstract of an article on criminalization of poverty perpetuates homelessness Uh, this research examines how anti homeless laws produce various forms of police interactions That fall short of arrest yet have wide-ranging impacts on the urban poor their analysis shows that uh, the mechanisms through which consistent punitive interactions including move along orders Citations and destruction of property Systematically limit homeless people's access to services housing and jobs while damaging their health safety and well-being Their findings also suggest that anti homeless laws and enforcement fail to reduce urban disorder But create instead a spatial churn in which homeless people circulate between neighborhoods and police jurisdictions Rather than leaving public space They argue that these laws and their enforcement Which affected the majority of the study the participants that they study constitute a larger process of perversive criminal pervasive criminalization consistent punitive interactions with state officials that rarely result in arrest But that do material and psychological harm in short, you're not solving the homeless problem You need to do that Uh, Darius Mosnian again, uh, first I want to say I think the camping ban as rewritten Is very fair very compliant from what uh, our city attorney tells us um But I have to look around I look at the activists. I mean I look at the majority of the homeless folks in this town I look at their advocates their advocates activists They all have one thing in common They're white people This is a white people problem Complete with white privilege. It's like the most perverse sense of perverse. We'll go ahead and pause the time We're gonna go ahead and let you speak miss cool. If you please could keep your comments to yourself We've had an opportunity to hear from you Whether we agree or disagree we're gonna let listen to other people And I'm gonna go ahead and give you a warning at some multiple times I've had to stop the meeting to allow this process to ensue Everybody has an opportunity to speak as long as they adhere to the rules of decorum We're gonna go ahead and allow them to speak even if we disagree with their comments. Please I'm gonna go ahead I'm gonna go ahead and ask those and the members of the community to not speak up This is this person's opportunity to speak at this time. Go ahead I mean look to our latino neighbors They come here with the obstacles some of them with an obstacle of being undocumented They're not looking for a voucher to the Hyatt They're not looking to camp on the water street bridge for three months They're not looking to For a homeless garden project. They have their garden project. It happens to be called driscoll strawberries at 6 a.m. Five days a week Okay, I I will go ahead and ask you to leave I will go ahead and ask you to leave all I say is all right I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to pause your comments Mr. Kandadi my understanding is that this is something I need to allow to have heard at this time. Is that correct? I didn't hear anything in the comments that would provide the council with the ability to Cut off the speaker. No, okay, so we'll go ahead and allow you to finish your comments go right ahead All I'm saying is instead of stomping Clapping cutting locks breaking going breaking fences engage with the latino community Figure it out understand how they tell how they get through living here in the most expensive housing market in the country And any extension expansion of this camping ban is simply an expansion of white privilege. Thank you Next speaker you'll have up to two minutes You'll have next speaker you'll have up to two minutes Mr. Norris if people are leaving, please don't Intimidate with your comments after they are able to speak go right ahead My name is Elise Kasby. I have been studying the homeless issue First hand since 2009 I was residing in berkeley and I started coming over to santa cruz The first thing I want to say is that I strongly urge all the city council members to reject Firmly reject the proposed changes to this ordinance My most basic plea to you is a plea to please have mercy I want you to know something else. My brother was developmentally disabled at birth My mother had multiple sclerosis. I became homeless because of domestic violence of my father I'm not prepared to go into it more now I'm also not prepared to detail what I experienced at the shelters in santa cruz But it was Really awful. That's all I can tell you right now about my personal situation I also began a career in the mental health field, which was pretty much Changed with the advent of ronald reagan's dissembling of our public mental health system So the reason i'm asking you for mercy tonight is because I know from firsthand experience that most of the homeless people that are out there Are vietnam vets Who are suffering from PTSD Our homeless people many with very severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia many have severe physical disabilities We need to stop using the police force as a point of contact with the homeless people This absolutely has to stop it's so frightening in the context of where we are with such laws as the national defense authorization act Removal of many of our civil rights under this rubric of terrorism I'm terrified right now of going to jail, but I have to say that I am sincerely Contemplating civil disobedience in the face of this These ordinances Mayor council brent adams not speaking for the warming center right now Where are the other agencies who get the multi millions of dollars for homelessness? They're not in this room And there's a reason for that federal government says all this all the millions and billions that go to horrible homelessness Have to follow a whole housing first paradigm and all most of them That's why we see that the homeless services center changing to housing matters wherever money pulls up That's where programs exist where the where all the money is in her homelessness in this country They're not in this room So the people are freaking out because there's really little else that can can happen I see a division on this this board. You are all the people of the community. This is the government It's a factory. Mr. Condati said he's in contact with many other cities. This is so it's it's not about people They're they own things they own the city. We just live in it. But what's true Between the protest tendency take back Santa Cruz counting Syringes and wanting more police and our us activists wanting to to end camping bands and things There's a space in the middle for us people to actually benefit and and homelessness authentically not handing homelessness through yada yada yada But actually and drew brought a lot of things in earlier in his time here I wish that the more moderate council people would have championed it, which is transitional campments safe sleeping zones Parking programs all very robust warming centers. Finally the mythological Navigation center which really picks people who have access to money and puts them on the pathway to housing Pathway to housing is actually a golden bridge to nowhere. We're a huge lie. It's a huge farce We're all stuck in it. It's a train running out of control and all we can do is just scream and we're upset but Through scalability we can actually demand that we provide enough shelter beds for every single person who comes through the door I ask and forgive my pretzel logic. I don't know what I'm asking here But I think it from the bottom rung you have to Help support something like warming center And other programs like that Good evening council members. My name is steep snar my way to the To the city hall this evening. I had to go over the bridge in san lorenzo park the the pedestrian bridge There were several people trying to get a tiny bit of shelter from the rain under the bridge It was extremely windy. It was dark. It was cold It was well before the hour at which it would be allowed to be sleeping This Conversation which is the perennial santa Cruz conversation It's it strikes me a little bit like in washington And we have a congress full of millionaires making decisions about working people And you'll see periodically in certain states are You know groups full of men who are making decisions about abortion. So we have You know a year after a year people who have the Ability to have shelter every night and warmth making decisions in which the people who are without are They're the quality of life of the town It considers those people kind of just an impact on Our quality of life, which is the people who have wealth and and in stable housing So I understand there are legitimate concerns and conflicts that happen when Hundreds or thousands of people are forced to use public space as their private space. I've had plenty of personal Encounters that reflect what chief mills or one of the other presenters showed which was that People who are on shelter commit crimes at a higher rate. I've had threats and problems, but The to me the threshold of human rights is Everybody deserves to have basic dignity shelter Clothing and if we can't provide that first It's it's immoral and unacceptable to criminalize What for us we take for granted what other people trying to get by Brian O'Neill attorney and citizen I would like to make three points First the ordinance language is irrelevant to respect and with respect to constitutionality In fact the city of Boise tried this exact tactic by adding language to its camping ban That law enforcement officers shall not enforce when there is not available shelter space And the court found that the language was not controlling the existing ordinance is not unconstitutional due to wording But lack of shelter space This ordinance runs the risk of signaling that enforceable Enforceability is valid when enforceability of the camping ban has been and will continue to be Whether there is adequate shelter space The ordinance does not set a protocol for determining if and when there is adequate shelter space Creating additional administrative burdens to investigate on a daily and case by case basis in real time When we just heard that that's not possible Second the Boise court did not prevent municipalities from implementing Valid time and place restrictions But constitutional jurisprudence suggests that such restrictions must quote Leave open ample alternative channels to exercise one's rights While this ordinance merely continues the same citywide ban as before I would respectfully suggest that the council direct your staff to do the difficult work of crafting a more nuanced and constitutionally valid time and place ordinance that identifies the specific areas where involuntary sleeping will and will not be allowed Finally, I respectfully request that the council does not If they do adopt the ordinance add language Specifically stating that violations are a civil infraction that do not establish probable cause to search and seize Individuals merely for the act of sleeping Adding such language is necessary to specifically protect individuals fourth amendment rights In particular because of past statements from the city attorney and the chief of police with respect to the main beach camping ban Thank you Good evening council members. My name is Barbara river woman I'm a preschool teacher. I was a preschool teacher for 15 years And i'm appealing to you now as a teacher And to ask you to remember the classrooms that you were in what worked and what didn't work I especially appeal to you mayor wadkins as an educator a teacher and someone who cares about children Rules upon rules upon rules upon rules Every good teacher knows that doesn't work the one thing that I learned over 15 years as a teacher Is that relationships work? We have to build relationships with children. We have to learn to understand them Respect them listen to them talk to them I want to thank chris and drew and sandy For their presence at the ross camp when we were down there. They were there. They were talking to people They were relating to them. They heard their stories I did not see the other four of you down there. Maybe you were there I would like All of you as council members especially the four of you to apologize to them that you can't do better Maybe we can't do better. It's a systemic problem. It's a national problem. It's a horrible problem We're all grieved by but nobody's happy Why can't you apologize to the people in this room who are going to go out into the streets some night Tonight in the rain the cold. I hated to come here tonight It's cold and raining freezing I had the I had the pleasure to meet lucero The other day and have a long talk with her. It was wonderful for me to have that Talk with her to learn about her life to learn about her life in mexico about the hardship She went through coming from extreme property about how she became an early childhood teacher trainer family daycare trainer This makes a big difference to me. Let's build relationships not make more rules You have an important question to ask yourselves and that's how you plan on treating the most vulnerable members of our community You have a choice tonight. You can choose if you want to to listen to the homeless women and men who speak here Listen really listen to their concerns and you can choose to work with them to accommodate their most essential and basic needs That would be the approach of a rational and compassionate human being Which I can only assume many of you claim yourselves to be The other option that you can choose is to listen to the familiar and the privileged voices of the By even allowing this ordinance to continue existing your intentions become entirely transparent The plan is to torture and displace the people experiencing homelessness through endless citations sleep deprivation and thievery You plan to systematically criminalize the self-organization And survival of the victimized homeless people in santa cruz with the end goal of kicking them out of their own city It's reasonable to ask ourselves who the real criminals are here Are the criminals the homeless union who are trying to live in solidarity and build a tolerable existence for themselves? Or are the criminals the members of this community working to crush the efforts of the homeless union for their own benefit? Are the criminals the poor or is it the city manager as he oversees the closure of an autonomous shelter for the homeless And intends to maintain an anti-camping measure that is so extreme It will not even allow people to sleep in their cars or RVs I'd like to remind you that our enemy is poverty our enemy is not the poor i'm nancy cruzo and What's on my mind tonight is the immediate need For a place to be I was at the storage program tonight working before Coming over here it's part of warming center program And I had to turn out a man and woman and it was the rain was pouring and and the wind was blowing fiercely And they were thanking me for staying late to help them get stuff for the night and I did want to Cry because they're walking into the night And it's going to be like the several days this week I think there may be one day of respite when the sun will shine and it doesn't rain but um on Thanksgiving warming center will open because of a lot of we're going to have a heavy rain tomorrow and We will continue to open probably during the rainy period but Taking the the gap that's obviously created by the lack of shelter space and I'm not Advocating shelter as the solution. I've heard and I've you know, I've heard so many I wouldn't want to be there. Okay But there's people who won't be going anywhere And simply we simply have to have a place. We simply have to So I am speaking for the warming center. I would like some support. I think we will be filling that gap And and and I know that it's going to take a while for you to get together to have more spaces But we will start day after tomorrow on Thanksgiving. We are primarily volunteer run And we really do need support from the city If I have any another minute, I want to say Oh Leave your comments with us you're you're welcome to leave the comments. Okay. Thanks. Please come forward Two minutes. I'm going to learn how to use this. I'll watch it.  Uh, I think tonight proved that we don't have the Apathy we have empathy And I invite everybody to come and stand in line at venison's I don't know way back when at the vet center To see the community come together to care about the people we're talking about We don't care for the vet center annual Thanksgiving dinner But I want to speak to you in 130 seconds Some of you remember Emily Riley This coming I hope to put out a Email you do some research of what was women rise for peace because that was a big project. Remember How about women rise for the homeless and invite the faith base to hold up at the peace church with peace and social justice Everybody in our city has been up there for some special event If you remember it was a world cafe I don't know some of these people. I'd like to meet them. I'd like to have relationships There's somebody with a badge We as it was world cafe I think the only one that knows a little bit about what i'm doing is drew So the next mayor, please you're up at uc. I'm over at cabrillo Please look at youth power.org and bring it to this council to talk about it What would it look like if we had a youth mayor a youth city council and leaked up for uc and cabrillo And put them on like a next generation commission give them the task like drew does with the interns To do the research And do a report don't put it up in the library Bring it to you to see what they would do to solve both the problem of homeless But proactive prevention because you're going to have a job next year with the county too Thank you mayor. Thank you mayor Who knows I have a couple cell phone numbers And please come and see Stand in line and talk to those people thursday, but enjoy the turkey and we can be a town that Represents all of you. So it's past my bedtime, but i'm saying Thank you, and i did pretty good Who will this ordinance's help i can't see it at all I see People over here talking about a 20 dollar fee Which there are other fees on top of that, but be silent about that.  Minas which turned into Another charge he didn't show up for court and this and that that you're creating criminals What good did that possibly do how can this person ever come up? He's getting a criminal record for something you did your work I see the chief and I see his officers out there in the world They're professional patient um Couple other things, but y'all got me talking fast. I see leaders in this room breath I see four right there. This guy right here is very smart. Did you hear what he said? We got a lawyer over there. Let him Create these ordinances He'll do a better job than what we got sitting over here This guy over here. I don't know what he'd do in his office What what do you do? How smart are you? Can you be? I'm serious with the work that I've heard this How smart are you that question you? I'm not talking about you. You kind of alright the guy sitting next to you I see that guy right there drew I see governor and that's why I'd be giving me a thing But it's Glover The work is pathetic you foe need to go and I don't care where I got something but I I'm too I'm too round up Get the point of the message and it's all true. It's all real. I ain't creating nothing It's all real. It's your work pride duck. Yeah, it gets you a breather Okay, my name is Jennifer Landford Brown and I the whole point of me coming to the city councils have been lost in my harm reduction So I was a senior mortgage loan officer for almost 20 years I have a master's degree and had to dumb down my resume. I have a master's degree in criminal law I actually wrote the rules when um 1220 programs started Chris mon teeth turned them in they became certified that whole whole harmless agreement that we used I was assistant manager at the camp. I was down there pulling everybody out I was at sleepouts. I've worked at every shelter It doesn't work guys I was homeless seven months disabled veteran husband in a wheelchair I had $1,400 in tickets. How did I pay those I've got you can look me up google me And um, you'll find I have a degree from William and Mary I It doesn't work guys And what the only thing I worked at the armory. We had to turn people away. I worked at salvation army I left there happy. I loved working with the people But the way that we That it said the shelter systems are set up the police can't do that um, I was married to an assistant chief of police in newport news virginia previously and um I Realize the hardships of the police officers. They cannot do this do not put this on them at all they can't They can't I live on felker street by the way And I lived at 155. I live at 125 now. I just moved up the street Totally give all your money to Brent or something like that because he's got more going on With no money salvation army is worldly Hello, uh west y from selenus co-president of the selenus monterey county homeless union um, just calling in opposition to this uh ordinance in selenus There's seems like selenus and santa cruz have similar attitudes when it comes to homelessness You know, your folks are making millions of dollars in grant money from state and federal agencies to say you're gonna help the homeless Well, if if that's the case then why is law enforcement the only Uh department to come out and and service people you're supposed to have continuum of care We we just had a big blowout in well at the leadership council our continuum of care in monterey san menino counties Where our california homeless union made made a representation about sweeps how many sweeps happen in selenus And this is the same kind of attitude. It's all about no you can't be here. No, you can't be here Well, where can you go if you can't offer a person where to go? Then you shouldn't be just driving people out you need to give people a yes Just like the other lady said she's a teacher. I'm a teacher too. You can't just tell kids No, don't run because the only thing they hear is run So you have to say walk Okay, you're not trying to provide any kind of solutions You're just trying to provide a block to push people out which creates a state created danger And your folks are setting yourselves up for liability. In fact on friday last week 35 city county state and federal representative agencies Politicles all met to say selenus The sweeps is not the best course of action for this crisis And what you're doing right now is the same kind of thing if you pass this It's it's everything about hating people and nothing about helping people So which way are you really thinking about going because your attitude on this vote right now If you got over four people say yes on this you people are haters Good evening. My name is titan cabrica Wow So it's a much bigger problem than just santa cruz I would urge us to use the declaration of human rights as difficult as it might sound as a basis For crafting what we do with local homelessness I would encourage us to cooperate fully with efforts at the state and national level Um And I this may be just a preview of something that will come to the council later About a california green new deal, which is being crafted by romero institute right in this town Which will provide there I can't go into it But solving the housing and homeless problem Is a part of solving climate change and is a part of full employment And is a part of realizing human rights for all of us So let's work together as best we can locally But it's a bigger problem as You know, I served on I was the first organizer for amnesty international in this country And I also served on the sheriff's advisory team and appreciate Mr. Mills for being involved with arm assist last year and I do understand what he's saying about It's not their job to do this and everybody has spoken about how What we're trying to do to help will make things worse So we need a total reorientation of the consciousness build it on human rights And let's create a california green new deal because we can pass that here Thank you Good evening. I'm scott ram When the city When you all voted to suspend the camping ordinance The police continued to tip get ticket campers. They just used other laws which basically is not within the spirit of the Decision on Boise The spirit of that law is if somebody is Outside they're homeless. They're sleeping And there's no place for them to go the spirit of that law is you don't give them a ticket for something else You Let them sleep you leave them alone You know I mean I imagine there's some circumstances where you want to have somebody Move out of the way or whatever if they're completely blocking the sidewalk, but basically The spirit of that law That decision was to Let people be if there's no place for them to be And This rewrite of the law Is no better. It's just trying to You know do the soft shoe around what This decision was And the decision is that people that don't have anywhere to go and you have no place for them to go should be left alone Now you'd not found another way to ticket them You know as the chief said You know you give somebody a bunch of tickets then it goes to collections What good does it do to send a homeless person?  Thank you. That's that's insane. Okay. Thank you your time is up Okay We're gonna go ahead and close public comment at this time and return back to the council for action and deliberation I want to remind those in the audience that I asked you to respect your fellow fellow citizens when they spoke about things that you didn't agree with I also asked you that you continue to respect this process Even if there's things that come up here that you don't agree with I've had to stop our council proceedings this evening multiple times to restore The meetings that we can continue with the business and I don't want to have to ask people to leave But I will do so if it's continuing to be a problem I do want to recognize the fact that no matter when this item or when this topic comes before the council That it is clearly and obviously an incredibly complex social challenge that Insights a lot of emotion and rightfully and We as a council here before us agendize this for this evening to have a discussion around how What I believe our staff here is presenting how to balance these complex social challenges So that's what brings us back to This process and then now leads to us to have to make an informed policy decision So at this time, I'll go ahead and acknowledge vice mayor Cummings and then council member Glover for potential action or comments So I want to start by thanking all the people who came out tonight to Want to thank all the people who came out tonight to speak up and Provide their comments on this issue. It's as the mayor just said, it's a very difficult topic That we're constantly trying to adjust to address I'd also like to thank the city manager's office Because you know just acknowledging the fact that we have more year-round spaces I think that's something that's very important for our community to understand that we are making strides I'd also like to thank the city attorney's office and the Police chief and the police officers for you know taking more of a compassionate approach to trying to address this issue in our community And then I also want to thank the county supervisors For helping us with the funding that we've been able to use over the past year that has helped us pay for the ross camp The facilities and the cleanup and additionally to 12 20 river street Our community is trying to do the best it can with the resources that we have To address this very complex complex issue And we definitely need our surrounding municipalities to also help us as we're trying to provide shelter Because in many of the Unincorporated areas and in some of the cities that surround Santa Cruz We don't find them offering the same amounts of shelter and we need everyone to help out in this effort With regards to this item. I have a motion prepared, but Really just want to encourage us to not only the folks in this community To not only come and address us here in Santa Cruz at our city council meetings But also to address the county supervisors and cities that are in our surrounding areas Who don't offer as many shelters so that we can do a joint Regional effort at trying to address our homelessness issue. And so i'm gonna make a couple Motions that we may be able to need to separate but the first is to direct staff to work with the county on increasing winter and year-round shelter capacity On-call beds and temporary relocation of the of the river street camp during construction And I'd just like to emphasize that we really try to Put pressure on trying to find more shelter in the unincorporated areas and then the second part is To send the city's amended camping ordinance And the county camping ordinance to the catch for expeditious review and recommendations for a countywide response There's a lot of pieces of this ordinance that i'm very much in favor of but as we've received some new information tonight We first received this ordinance late on friday and we've been receiving a lot of comments from members of the catch members of the community Who really want us to take a little bit of a step back to Reviewing it in more detail allow the community with more opportunity to respond And part of the reason why we put the catch together in the first place Was so that a group of community members could make recommendations on very big items such as the one that's before us today And so I think that that would be the most appropriate way of dealing with this issue tonight and And that's it second We have a motion by vice mayor Cummings seconded by council member crone council member clever and then council member brown Yeah, so Just a show of hands up here on the dais How many have any of you ever slept outside in santa cruz without a tent or just a sleeping bag on the ground? You have what was that experience like? It's fine I was camping you were camping see so so but There's a difference between sleeping outside and unsheltered and camping And I think that's what we really need to stress here in this conversation because we keep using the term camping When in reality what we're talking about is trying to sleep I I ask uh because there was a petition that circular circulating around online Which i'm sure some of you saw encouraging us as elected officials to sleep outdoors and Experience what it's like And this last friday I took up that challenge, which I appreciate the police chief reading my blog that I wrote And I slept outside unsheltered with a sleeping bag and it was probably one of the most exhausting and difficult Experiences I have had in a very long time It was not only difficult in finding winter gear that was affordable in santa cruz And this was before it was starting to rain But also in carrying all of the equipment around with me, which was just the bare minimum of a light backpack and And a sleeping bag, but while I was wearing all of the winter gear. So while I'm walking I'm sweating profusely. I'm trying to get from one place to another then when you get tired and you sit down Uh, you the wind hits you and then you get cold again And that doesn't even talk about the things that I saw while I was out walking around I mean, I don't know if y'all go out at night and walk around and look at what's going on But we have elders community elders that are 60 plus sleeping on hard cement Like areas of the of the ground We have like people leaning up against buildings mumbling to themselves because they don't have somewhere to go I saw a 62 year old woman sitting or you know Some mid 60 year old woman sitting in a bus stop surrounded by all of her Belongings like rocking back and forth and talking to herself because she didn't have a place to go People bent over on the cleaning dirt out of the sidewalks going through trash cans Like these are people that need a place to stay And what we're contemplating right now is not is making it more difficult for them to exist And like not only that experience of witnessing just like the sheer human suffering that was going on It's raining now and when I was sleeping on the ground it was dry So when I woke up in the morning all of my stuff would have been wet There would have been nowhere for me to go, especially if it's like middle of the night Then I had to try to find a bathroom which when I woke up in the morning Which in itself was crazy to have to pack up my stuff I saw an old man that person Jerry that you talked about I walked past Jerry the morning And he's pushing himself in a wheelchair by his heels Down the street and one of the wheels is lopsided So he has to readjust himself every 20 feet from where he's going that guy's like Like these are the people that are on the street right now And we're talking about creating additional ordinance language that would further criminalize them So that we have tools in our toolbox. I think that that's problematic on a lot of levels It's nice to hear the vice mayor wanting to refer it to the catch But we have to keep in mind and you know as being one of the people that suggested and made the motion to create the catch It's a little problematic in some of the responses. They've come back with there There's a lot of great stuff that's come out from You know some different suggestions But like for example access to bathrooms all they want to do is add two more porta potties downtown. I mean that's substantially Less than what we need to be doing So I would encourage us to be more intentional with this analysis of the ordinance and instead of just sending it to catch Making sure that there's incorporation from advocates service providers The Santa Cruz homeless unit specifically since they are engaged and working with the population that are on the streets And Santa Cruz I'm sorry to interrupt you for just a second I'm going to go ahead and ask that you either stand in the back with your sign Or you take a seat as you're obstructing the view of those behind you with your sign You're welcome to stand in the way back if you like with your sand sign and or you could take a seat If you if you like Is this really we're stopping can I can I continue? Yeah, you may continue So An incorporation of multiple entities not just from the catch to be able to get their analysis of what's going on with this ordinance as well as Making a including the motion for staff to prepare a list of possible locations for safe sleeping zones Because I don't think it's relevant for us to be having a conversation about ordinances that are only applicable if People are in specific areas if we don't have specific areas lined out Also is coming forward with the draft so p's what's the catch wants to look at anyway And I don't think it's uh feasible for us to even pass this ordinance or to enact it If we don't have those so p's in in uh In place so why are we putting the cart before the horse before we even understand how we're going to enforce it Or the situation that surrounds it Why are we going to prioritize the ordinance first as opposed to the so p's And then also I think it would be great to instruct staff to look into how we can intentionally incorporate more social workers into our Strategy of engagement to build relationships as we brought it by a community member Instead of focusing on the police which sound like they are overwhelmed already with what's going on So I I appreciate the motion or the intent in it But can you be a little bit stronger in um some of your intention to make sure that we have a robust analysis of the ordinance associated with the so p's And looking at safe parking space or safe sleeping spaces. So when we come back, it's not going to be a Okay, let's pass the ordinance. Oh, wait a minute. We have to do the so p's Okay, let's do the oh, let's wait a minute. Let's figure out the the safe sleeping zones Why are we not doing these and coinciding them together? I've asked the maker of the motion Well, I have councillor brown and then If she councillor brown had an In initiated that she wanted to speak to the items I'm acknowledging councillor brown And then I'll go ahead and acknowledge the vice mayor if he wants to respond to your questions Okay, um, I have a couple of questions for the motion maker as well You know, I just want to say that I Have a really hard time Trying to address this issue as a member of the city council when I was A member of an activist in the community. It was really clear to me what we needed to do And being on the side of the dais it Continues to really disturb me that we have not been able to come up with solutions Um, and I I do not believe that further ways of criminalizing Unhoused for their lack of housing And the behaviors associated with that is is not it's not going to serve us well I I also understand that there are Concerns about and that until we have A whole network of wraparound services and the ability to the resources to fund that Not just at the city. I mean that's that is a regional. It's a county issue. It's a regional issue. It's a state issue It's a national issue and we The society are failing Uh, miserably now I could go on and on about my feelings about that, but it's not going to get us anywhere I um, I guess I I want to say that I support the idea of sending this The proposal to the catch I I think that they are planning to address us on the sops and some other matters I think that um, this is something that And I appreciate that a lot of work has gone into this At staff and the city attorney's office and the police chief and the city manager's office a lot of Thinking about this has you know, it's gone into this thinking. Um, so it's not like People are sitting around and and saying You know, well, there's you know, not thinking about what else we can do. It's a real serious challenge to figure that out I think that we need to take responsibility and try and figure that out at the same time and that the kind of uh, camping the criminalizing and um, you know, strengthening of a camping ordinance Um before we do that is not going to serve us as a community um So, uh, but I do so I do support the motion and I would just ask the um maker of the motion if uh, you might consider two Editions and one is just to be specific about um When sending the amended camping ordinance, uh To the catch for expeditious review um I think that um councilmember glever was trying to get at um You know, it's kind of a more serious a serious review. Um, I'm not sure exactly what kind of language But if there's something that could kind of strengthen the intention to um, have that um, you know comprehensive serious and expeditious review um, and to include in that the consideration of the um association of faith communities requests to increase parking availability um on their request and um So so I think that that's not listed here And if we send it then I would like to have that be considered as well to come back to us And then I also want to suggest that um We've heard a lot uh tonight and I recognize this that you know, we have immediate needs and it is raining. It is cold um People don't have anywhere to go and the warming center is one of the You know one of the only I mean the only program that actually provides a place for people to go immediately urgently When there's nowhere to go Mr. McHenry, I'm going to go ahead and ask you that's I'm going to go ahead and ask you to leave at this point If you I've I've I've mentioned it multiple times at this point to not be able to it's not your it's not your time to speak So we're going to go ahead and ask you to leave at this point for interrupting council proceedings again. Thank you Thank you Yeah, so Go ahead Okay So the so the um I just I'm gonna I'll just finish up on the warming center and then I'll just reiterate so that they're clear Councilor Brown um, so um, so just finishing up on the uh Statement that I was trying to make about the the warming center. Um, you know, I think that Um, given the work that the warming center does given the comments that um, Brian Adams made tonight and in conversations. I've had with him prior to this meeting um, this idea of kind of being able to scale Up a model that's working It's really important that for us to consider and to keep in our minds So I I'd like to include direction to staff to bring back consideration of Funding for the warming center When uh, you report back to us about, uh, alternative An expanded shelter space, which it sounds like is going to happen soon So those are my, um requests And I guess I'll just make one more comment so I can just try to wrap up and I don't want to you know Keep us here coming back around to my comments that I keep thinking of but so I do want to say, uh We've also heard I mean, it's not just the people here who are here tonight. We have heard, uh, you know, we had 300 pages of correspondence emails to city the city council About this included in our post packet production and I didn't I stopped counting but most of them asked us to take more time to Consider the the language and what you know what we are going to pass and it was it was not just Um the folks here tonight There are many more people who are making that request and it was a predominant message So I think it's reasonable to do that. Um, so I'll stop there and Just at so I the first piece was in the second sentence there Send the city's amended camping ordinance and the county camping ordinance to the catch for thorough Deliberate an expeditious review and provide recommendations on City and county wide response Okay That's the first and then request adding consideration of the afc request to increase available parking spaces subject to review by the PD and Yes, so and I so if you're not ready to accept those then I'll just make those as a separate motion afterwards I just want to explain that the afc request and part of why this is going to the catch So there's a number of issues that that have come up with regards to this ordinance One of which is the number of vehicles that a religious institution can have on their lot, which is that there's also The length of time that for example, someone can live in the RV in their own private back in someone's private backyard There are issues around whether or not tents can be up during the daytime These are things that I've been hearing during the daytime when it's raining so the idea behind having it go for review and Getting these recommendations is to deal with all of these issues and allow for the catch to give us recommendations on all these issues So I mean if the afc needs to be explicit, that's fine but My sense is that it's already included as one of the conditions for review since that's something that people have reached out to us with concerns with Could I just so so I I agree with you that there are many other issues that ought to be considered, but I just want to make sure that there is Space for that and there's an understanding that That doesn't get lost in translation Great Vice-member Cummings, did you have anything you wanted to add in? Oh, I was just going to say that you know my understanding is that as these standard operating procedures were being reviewed by the catch So and that we're going to get recommendations back from them So that's kind of where I was thinking I was at with you know How we're going to approach those standard operating procedures with regards to the safe sleeping areas I'm more than happy with in the first Motion that when we have staff Work with the county on increasing winter and year-round shelter capacity that they also include safe sleeping areas Councilmember matthews um Well on this motion particularly I suggested adding the safe sleeping areas to the first motion what I meant by that was specifically the afc managed safe sleeping program the others are more Undefined at this point. I do have a question Maybe it's andy for you It's my understanding the safe sleeping program in church has been on the books for what 15 years or so with three Up to three is that correct? Safe parking safe parking that's what I meant safe parking My understanding is they've had a couple different programs One of which is people stay actually in the facilities. The other one is safe parking and that's fairly new Is my understanding My point being I believe and maybe martin you can tell me that's on the books Yes, the that provision has been in the existing ordinance for many years a long time. Yes Not much used. I guess I don't I don't know much about this, but um Also not a problem from what I understand. I think right generally right right I think the key has been what the afc program is that it's a managed program And so I think that that really is the is the is the principal thing that makes it successful And also there's variations of course as far as what each of the facilities can accommodate In terms of parking space in terms of facilities that are available. So there's various factors that affect that so I understand that I'd Just given on that particular program And there there is now apparently a program for A framework for administering that program I could entertain Expanding that up to five With the churches and the afc's agreement And see how it goes. I really would like to know more about the The framework personally That's something that's on the books, you know, we could initiate that I'm as was suggested not willing to have it go even more if the police chief agrees to Because I think we could with the Oh, sorry With a program that has been reflected a bit in recent years I think there's a capacity to grow it slightly And see how it goes. So I think that's something we could do now without having to Wait a whole lot. So that that was my one comment there Should I speak on the rest of the motion at this point? Could I just interject that the the section of the municipal code that currently allows for Vehicle parking on church parking lots was most recently amended in 2002 Which kind of coincides with my vague recollection of when that was put in place. Yeah But there it is So just other comments The focus of the conversation tonight was about The revised camping ordinance, but I think it's it's And that is the most challenging part of this probably This whole field but I think it's unfair to say that the city is not trying to make any solutions Is not doing anything etc as I think most of the people Here know we we have Invested in a variety of shelters. I see Thumbs pointing down, but the city has made a good effort have it has invested money We have partners in numerous programs. I'm just thinking downtown streets team the homeless garden program Any number of shelters? We we allocate funding for health care dental care Medical care that serve a large number of homeless individuals. So to say we're doing nothing I think is Unfair Not that there aren't more challenges. So I just want to say that publicly I also acknowledge that people I would say not on both sides of the issue But all over the place on this issue a lot of people wanted more time My own and I don't know what's intended by the cash Working on this with the holidays coming up and two readings and all that. I don't know what timeline we're looking at Um, my own preference. I think would be to do a first reading understanding That's got a heck of a lot of work to do but gives us something to go on and then Send that to the cash for comments. So, um, I do feel the need in the community to Try and take a serious effort at giving an alternative To no camping ordinance And start getting something in gear. So that's just that's just where I fall down on the On where we send it and I think would be helpful to get an idea of If it were to go to cash, what's what is the timeline look on that? Because I think putting it off into February is just going to satisfy nobody Yeah, I think I'll echo Somewhat have heard I I am supportive of Expanding the The afc to To up to five vehicles It seems uh, it's it's a good way. It seems like to accommodate people Try to meet them Somewhat where they are and provide them a safe place to be at night um I also You know, I'm reflecting on sort of this just The magnitude of of the issue that I think we've been you know talking about tonight and We You know, we I think many of you have acknowledged this is I I I ultimately the state of california needs to help us figure this out And I think we do have a very compassionate community here And I do think that people are tired on all sides and So, um, I think we need to continue to do the work we're doing I'm encouraged very encouraged. I want to thank the county For their involvement and speaking with us a lot last week working really every day To try to identify Potential additional shelter And I look forward to hearing more from our staff on that but I will compliment the county I think several of us made phone calls the day after the meeting On whenever that was the 12th and many of us were in conversation daily To try to get more shelter available. So I think there is a shortage of shelter. I think we all know that I think also what we're looking at in this community is We really don't have a we have a systems breakdown on this problem and Uh, I think it's important that we keep that in mind that the success that people See in other communities in other states Uh, it really relies on a very systematic systemic systematic approach to how we do this We have huge obstacles here. We don't have housing to move people into yet Um, and we have limited space to build that housing. We have limited resources to build that housing So our system Has some major gaps in it One thing I think even though the ordinance looks to be Preventative maybe in some Preventative in many ways to to many people in the audience um I think the the strength behind this ordinance is Around the contact the concept of of contact with people We need to be looking at diversion. We need to be looking at prevention. We need to have that people contact Unfortunately the bulk of that work is going to probably fall on our police officers I'm encouraged at this point I'm encouraged that Our officers are trained there's We're trying to get connections with social services We're trying to train officers in some of the systems-based approaches to what we we Should be doing to hopefully get people Um in the kind of uh situation that would potentially help them In a more meaningful way than having them be on the streets So I think it's important that we uh do take action tonight. Um, I'm I am supportive of of having the cash weigh in on some on some aspects of this But um, I'm trying to I'm trying to Acknowledge what the rest of the community is also asking the city council to do and that is to um provide some relief from from um various Various folks who are unfortunately right now living living out on our streets and uh So there is no good answer tonight And uh, but I do I do think we should we should move forward and I would be supportive of trying to move this forward tonight In a first reading I have a few comments and then I'll go back to councilmember Glover. Did you want to say something? Um, martin? Yeah, I was just wanted to reflect. I just got a text from megan, uh, who staffs the cash and she was just Letting me know that The cash has two meetings this year And they've they've sort of booked and scheduled them already with with a variety of agenda items including a community outreach. So It might be hard for them to obviously take this on this this calendar year. I just wanted to note that I think that makes sense because I do know that they've been working and meeting regularly and I also want to Show appreciation to the staff for presenting this in advance of this meeting to the cash as well I share all the comments that have been made in terms of increasing the parking As well as really advocating with our county partners for more support and How we can work together to alleviate a lot of these really larger challenges that we're experiencing I also feel that it would be a lot of responsibility and it would definitely and i'm not surprised. I think delay this process So I appreciate the suggestion by councilmember matthews to be kind of inaction to You know make this it is a hard decision but to be in an action and to have a first reading and welcome feedback But to continue to move And and to be able to have some of these tools in place And I really also want to acknowledge councilmember mires' response in that It's an opportunity for us to have contact to help people on an individual pathway out of hopefully homelessness and was encouraged by the potential of having two specific Officers that are going to be sort of i'm assuming part of this homeless unit, which has a different i'm assuming Kind of lens as i've read about other jurisdictions who have these types of units. That's really about Blending how you balance these complex issues, but also ultimately try to support people And I of course welcome any input if there's additional ads in regards to those specific officers duties um And so that being said I think what what the impetus of this was was also having a tool in place to potentially Mitigate any large encampments that have proven to be very difficult and um have Not Obviously been what we want to have in our community because we want to do better And um also the public health considerations and challenges associated with that So um, that's sort of my kind of just a summary of comments Um, and then we'll welcome more deliberation councilmember guver Thank you So there are just a couple of things statements, you know, uh, I always think back to charlottesville Uh, whenever I hear the term on all sides It really bothers me. Um, I've heard it with renters protections Now we're hearing it with people experiencing homelessness And it's important. Yes, there are different perspectives and different people coming from different angles and their interests But one side is talking about survival And the other side is talking about what some might consider nuisances And so it's not to diminish public safety issues or feelings of safety or other kinds of issues But if we're just going to move forward so that we're quote in action Moving towards the criminalization of people that are vulnerable just so that we can say we're moving forward Is dangerous in a lot of different ways not just problematic. It's dangerous Also, the statement there's no good options for tonight. So, um, I disagree heavily with that statement It matters how diligently we want to move on this topic For example, imagine all of the hours that were spent in creating this ordinance Just imagine how many how many staff hours went into that? And staff hours aren't cheap. So what if we had taken that money and repurposed it into something that was focused on Engagement or participation as opposed to criminalization and penalties Also, the idea of contact so nothing against the police department That you you're a great guy chief mills. Um, but I had a 62 year old woman come to my community meeting Last wednesday to tell me about her experiences of being constantly pushed around by the police Getting citations left and right and being forced to go into shelters where they're You know people that are violent and all this other kind of stuff. So I don't think increasing Contact with police officers if they don't have the tools that they need or the access to the shelter is going to be beneficial to anyone As I believe mr. Willis said we're creating criminals by adding misdemeanors and other kinds of ticketing things Also, we haven't talked much about city-owned facilities We've only talked about the possibility of having the county step in and save the day, which I know we've said a lot of thanks to them But after closing the vfw without giving us advance notice and then now after we plead with them to potentially reopen the vfw Which will then bring it back to a net zero gain in units Uh, I am a little bit less hesitant to be like yay county And at the same time we have a giant building directly across the street that is only used a few times in this winter season To be a possible housed location. We have the auditorium at the loud nelson community center I went there for my community meeting and I mentioned and there was a community member who lives in that neighborhood That said that she would be absolutely okay with having people use the auditorium as a winter shelter Because right now their entire neighborhood is a winter shelter because they don't have anywhere to go or be inside So there's the I mean people in depot park and hate this But there's the freight building at depot park, which could totally be used. There's the uh harvey west clubhouse Which could be used especially if we're looking for spaces for senior citizens or senior women or families with children We have the resources available to us We just don't seem to have the will in which to act on those services that we have And so when I so when I hear these arguments of we don't have the capacity, uh, we're over burdened We don't have the space we got to work on the county All of those are just really weak excuses for we don't want to do what we need to do to make sure that people Are not sleeping out in the rain for the rest of winter It might mean that we need to sacrifice some of our access to events It might mean that we need to put pressure on the kaiser on the kaiser arena We don't have site control over the kaiser arena, but what if we have we opened up communication with them to see if we can use it I mean So, you know, it's really disappointing that, uh We want to move so quickly through this especially the term of expeditiously You want to move you want the catch to review these things expeditiously Don't you think we should be doing them cautiously and step by step to make sure that there's a million perspectives that are taken into consideration or you know, the catch is over burdened, right? So you would that that that motion is pretty much bunk if the catch can't do it in the next two meetings So why not shift back to my original suggestion and instruct staff? Maybe megan who's uh, seemingly the one that's coordinating sheltery stuff to have a conversation or the attorney's office To have a conversation with the advocates the aclu the santa Cruz homies union people from the inhouse population It's not the catch That's right But it is a population of people that are ready to give us input on how we can make the Ordinance work in a way that they feel is just and or participate in the process So they have their voice feel heard And this is a constant cycle we have I brought these issues forward in february For us to be able to establish safe parking zones safe sleeping zones and some form of transitional encampment And when we say that this ordinance is to stop the popping up of large Large encampments because they've quote proven difficult We have not done anything to adequately or intentionally work with the people that are trying to establish these camps to provide them with the services and support they need To be successful. So when you say we don't Have we we want to stop the large encampments from popping up? You mean you want to stop large encampments from popping up and actually working with them to make us make a solution Instead of just criminalizing them and pushing them from one place to another. It's getting kind of ridiculous You got I mean just like someone said it's either you're going to do it Or you're not going to do it And if you're not going to do it because you get to go home and sleep in your warm bed tonight with your family and your food And your heater and all sort of other kind of stuff People are still going to be out there and we've already lost two people this year that we know of based on lack of shelter. So Take it. How do you take it? Okay Well, this is the time for council. I mean actions. So, you know, if there is an interest in modifying the motion or You know a supplemental motion to try to get the council to move in a different direction to council member clever's comments This would be the time So right now we have a motion on the floor. Can I just was the friendly amendment accepted Really what I'm most interested in is ensuring that the parking Availability for the afc program is included and specifically addressed. However, that's addressed um and also Including consideration of funding for the warming center when we get her back about shelter replacement I have also if I could a clarifying question I have also a clarifying question. Um in regards to the information and sort of what to Potentially put on to the cash and knowing that that won't likely to come back to them for a good period of time And and frankly is a lot of responsibility on it on a volunteer group. That's working a lot on a lot of major issues Um, given that information. Is that still the direction of the motion maker? Going it will postpone it for several months I wouldn't I wouldn't It would be good to get some sense of what How long this would be postponed for because um I think part of it is that you know when we were making decisions earlier last year around Places where we were going to put safe parking or transitional encampments. There were a lot of people who came out And there was a lack of community engagement in that entire process, which is what led to the catchment form and so that So that was the reason why this recommendation Was coming forward because my understanding too is this came as in response to when the When the new camp was forming There was a need and because we saw some of the camps forming there was a need to Put on this emergency ordinance, but now that that camp's not there. It doesn't seem like it's as much of an emergency to deal with at this point in time, which is why My understanding was that you know We're getting all this input from people from the community who want us to Take a step back. They haven't had a chance to look at it. We can give it to a community group We've tasked with looking at these Um, I would even you know be happy if we could have a subset a subset of members from the catch work with A subcommittee from the city council over the next Month to two months and bring back recommendations or month to month and a half Um, I think that it would just give us time and more opportunity to kind of go through Because I know that if we were to sit here tonight Into wordsmith everything every change that people would want to see it would be another two hours That we would probably be here and that's why in my opinion it would be good to send it on Or to not postpone it, but well to postpone it and work on it a little bit further Did you I wanted to see it just um, I was I was just gonna Make a comment that just given the discussion that's been had since the motion was made and and it Sort of free flowing discussion about a friendly amendment I I think it would be worthwhile to have the motion Restated so that we can all agree what is on the floor I was also going to suggest that the council consider Putting a date certain for the return of the ordinance to provide they catch You know reasonable amount of time to review and comment, but But not just continue it indefinite indefinitely. I really do think That this is a tool that Is lacking right now and and Is something that the council's really should take give serious consideration to and hopefully take action on Okay, do you want to go ahead and restate the motion and then we'll go ahead and Oh, you have it up here. Okay Can I add the I agree that I think it'd be helpful to define what expeditious means and I think with respect to the the cash I know they they already have a update that they've Prepared for you for the 10th, but I think certainly if this is a priority I know they've got items scheduled they they could they could possibly make make that a parter as well So I think having a clear timeline of when you want it back will help us then Develop the the work and the agenda with with the with the cash Recognizing that they've already done some work and they've already prepared a thing some updates for you on the 10th But then moving forward they could certainly prioritize this if that was what the council wanted I had a council member crone and then council member Myers My question was addressed. Thank you Council member Myers I guess I am Uh, so So if we So december 10th is our last meetings.  So That feels like a long way to to wait To some extent. We also have holidays in between so Are you mentioned the idea of some kind of council subcommittee That might be a more expeditious way Ex expeditious way to um, I can't speak anymore um to try to move forward to bring Our revised version of the ordinance back potentially to council on december 10th I do agree that I think this is an important A tool that we need I'll speak a little bit to um My comments before I too have spoken to people Um and You know, uh, a lot of the a lot of the situations that people are in are pretty dire and Sometimes people don't want to be in the tent with the person that has the tent set up So I try to keep that in mind and um, I want to make sure that We acknowledge that there's a lot of different factors that go into the circumstances that people find themselves in um And uh, especially with the most vulnerable people in our community including women and youth So, um Again, this is a tool that provides Our police to To really acknowledge and and and Make contact to see sort of try to figure out what someone's circumstances as they're trying to to um Figure out a place for the evening or even a place for the day I do like the amendments that have been made so that um, it's clear if someone needs To be resting on a bench and sort of regrouping during the day We've tried to accommodate some of those in some of that language, but um, I guess I would make a substitute motion to create a Council subcommittee of to um Work with the city attorney city manager and chief of police to Come back with an alternative a revised language For the december 10th meeting I'll go ahead and second that motion So now we'll go ahead and um, uh, mr. Kandari will have an opportunity to Take a vote on the potential substitute motion And then if not having enough support for the substitute motion then we'll go ahead and return back to the original motion Is that correct? That's right. The vote is whether to accept the substitute motion. Okay, um With this we can have discussion is before that vote. Okay, councilor matthew. The question is whether or not to accept it And then vote on it Okay, yeah, okay. Let's go ahead if it's accepted then you can vote on the motion. Okay. Okay. Does any okay? We'll go ahead and take the uh vote on whether or not to accept the substitute motion But I have another question also is your suggestion for a committee of council members staff And cash representatives or just simply council and staff I think in the in the Just in looking at the timeline I know we'll be sending the sops. I believe The second reading really wouldn't be happening in until until january, correct Because we if we brought language back december 10th, we actually don't reconvene until I think it's january 14th or something like that It sounds like the cash has a couple meetings planned We could send the sops to them. So my idea was was to to keep it to council council members and In my opinion there are a whole lot of other people out there who want to comment on this other than cash So I I think the idea that We're just going to do it internally in the city and maybe send it to cash and we're done Misses a huge amount of the comment that we've gotten So Perhaps there's a Refined version of this but we would still I think have to consider it a first reading Because my gosh for the december 10th meeting when do we get the staff report in for that? Next friday wednesday. Yeah. Yeah, I mean a week from a week from today. Yeah, it's just tomorrow. Yeah Pretty fast work. So yeah, maybe we're just good against the time Yeah If it is uh I I expressed my opinion was just to get something on the table to work on it's out there people now know what the starting point is but I think If we take more time on it, then uh, definitely it should go out for more conversation to the broader community Do you want to withdraw? criminalizing homeless people Okay, at least all withdrawal We're gonna go ahead and ask you we've had an opportunity here from you I'm gonna go ahead and ask that you take a seat. If not, I'm gonna go ahead and ask that you please leave at this time I hate going to jail. I'm gonna sit down.  Well, then if there's another outburst I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to go then go ahead I just wanted to clarify with respect to the sops Those because they're adopted by resolution. There's some time there Also because after the second reading is a 30 day period because into into effect There's more time there to have that Reviewed and considered by counsel. So Originally, our thought was that if you had the first reading today Second reading on the 10th the sops wouldn't come back to you till january, which will still be with before The ordinance went into effect so that there's some time there for review In january, so just so you know with respect to that portion of it All right, so we have the um motion withdrawn. Is that correct? Did you want to add something mr. Kandani? No, okay Okay, so the substitute motion has been withdrawn council member clever motion to call the question Okay, there's a motion to call the question. There's a second by council member crone All those in favor. What is the question? The motion that was before I said this But can I see it on the yeah, so I was gonna ask for it, too I don't even know if you accepted No, that that hadn't that hadn't been amended and I was going to ask because of the fact that um multiple council members have asked have Have stated that they're interested in increasing the number from three to five Would that should we have that as a second as a separate? Let's just go ahead. We have a motion to call the question So we need to take a vote on that motion all those in favor. Please say aye. I opposed. No So that passes with vice mayor Cummings council member crone and council Did you vote no Oh, I'm sorry. I feel like there's something that we need to work out. We don't even know not even clear on what the question is Right, exactly. But there was a motion to call the question. So all those So no, okay, so that passed with council that fails with council member Um Crone and glove are voting in in support and the remainder of the council voting against okay So we'll go back to the to the discussion on the proposed motion and clarification In reference to the most recent question, I would be completely in favor Of directing that we uh asked to have a revision to our existing um safe parking Amended to be increased up to five Five up to five Sites for safe parking On church parking lots through a managed safe parking program That's on the book. So are you having that added as you know, I think that's something we that doesn't have to go through All sorts of other stuff that can be just a clean Is that I know is that you know what? We're going to go ahead and ask that you keep please keep your voices down So I could hear my colleagues up here as we're trying to digit Okay, we'll go ahead and ask that we'll go ahead and ask that you also keep your voices done So that we can and we'll try to speak into the microphone more clearly so that we can hear each other My understanding is that the motion what you're asking is to add as a friendly amendment to the motion Not even a friendly amendment a separate a new motion. Yes Okay When we get to it oh when we get to it, okay, so we'll go ahead and reserve that for after We are able to finalize what we have before us now Okay, so the motion before us at this time is To really show indication that we do intend to pass Some sort of ordinance in this in this way, but we want to have it go through The potential cash First is that and community and community first And are you at this time not suggesting that we pass a first reading of it this evening? No, okay Okay And I can comment on that as well because my understanding is if we pass a first reading tonight Then we're going to go get public comment, and then it's going to come back and we're going to have to do it again It'll just keep coming back and forth until we Get the proper amount of input so I think that it would just We would just be having this come up a gen after agenda similar to last year, and I think that If we can get You know sufficient feedback then we can Bring it back at a time when we have a clear Direction where we're going It would be helpful if you got pretty cool direction on that your timeline I think that would be really helpful to have a deadline. Okay, so councilor mayer's and councilor brown I have a question regarding Sort of how we Vice mayor how we might collect that community So are we thinking about having a Kind of a hearing or community meetings or how do we how do we collect? I mean, I know we've we've gotten a lot of obviously a lot of written correspondence But I'm just curious if and how that fits in the into the timeline in terms of I Don't do you have thoughts on that? I mean one thought that I had and potentially we could have a You know thinking about The catch and the the reason why I was bringing it to the catch is because that's a body that can vote on recommendations And it's also a group that can hear comments from Members of the community when they're taking that information into account when they're voting And so that was why I wanted to send it to that body because they actually have the power to vote on recommendations so That was the the reason for bringing it there and because it's 11 people who represent different sectors of our community They can bring those voices in and those recommendations and when they're making when they're you know voting on this I know the catch is is I think it may be worth having another meeting Outside the cash to for community input for sure only because the cash, you know Is it it is a advisory body, but I think also if we could Somehow facilitate a couple of other other community meetings. I think that might be useful as well What I was going to suggest is certainly with the specter the cash they could schedule a meeting They've already got some scheduled in december with respect to the other groups I think setting up individual meetings with them would be the most expeditious way So it could reach out and schedule meetings with you know council members and whatever the Organization might be And then get their input I had council member brown and then council member clever and then I'll come back Yeah, I would just add Because the comment I was going to make was kind of in response to that question That you asked council member mires. I think that the catch is I mean we established that committee to take a deeper Look dive into these issues and bring us recommendations And so I think that is an appropriate place to Have community input happen if the staff feels that you know some individual meetings could happen Expeditiously without a whole lot of extra effort. I'm not opposed to that But I do think that we appointed this committee for a reason and they ought and that's why I would like to have them weigh in You know and use that as a space for additional community input people The public is welcome at those meetings council members can go to those meetings and listen to what the public has to say And what catch members have to say so I'd just like to kind of concentrate that effort in the space that we've already created McLean then council member matthews. Thanks. I was also reminded that in my last meeting last wednesday That there were representatives from the catch there that Let us know that they're having specific community engagement meetings Of the two catch meetings. The second is community engagement on safe sleeping and camping programs They specifically allocate about an hour and a half for community input to come in and talk to the catch directly And I believe they also have a safe sleeping and managed campground subcommittee that could look at it also was brought up as a suggestion that We could direct staff or staff Catch to prioritize this issue and then push one of their existing items off So it's a tighter timeline and if the city manager is looking for a time, you know specific time We could just say the first meeting in january that'll give us What four four now six weeks somewhere in there five six weeks for us to be able to Talk with cash then look at it review it ideally get community input from maybe the aclu who has come out Saying that we should not even enforce this until we have the shelter in place And stuff like that so um, I would just say then like I said before I think we should just Move with this and if the city manager needs it to say bring it back to the second or the first meeting in january, but I think we should move forward and uh, take this vote As a remathing Well, I continue to think that sending it to cash alone is not enough. I mean think of all the meetings that Have been held out there recently on this topic. I know drew and I went to a meeting in the harvey west area hosted by Housing matters Packed with people we've we've had meetings in the beach area meetings downtown. I think a number of the service providers Could give us some good perspective on this so It is a big deal a lot of people have have a useful perspective on it I I would hope we'd have enough time to get that and it's tough during the holiday season Okay So are you suggesting a different path or are you supporting the path suggest? Um, let me see what the top of that motion says there I'm trying to read all of it now Can we scroll a tiny bit funny? I can't read the top of it. Oh Is it is it up? Oh, I I don't see it there. Okay I I have a couple of suggestions which I mentioned Um, just in conversation here on that language if it were acceptable to say Increasing winter and year-round shelter capacity on call beds. I would say manage safe parking areas That would be is that an acceptable change there? And relocation of the river street camp prior to construction to Manage sleep safe sleeping areas After on call beds, it would say manage safe parking areas No, instead of safe sleeping areas instead of safe sleeping areas. Yeah, I think that's why they're two different things Parking that's like the afc Yeah, but that takes away the safe sleeping areas Which was in there intentionally so that they would come back with safe sleeping areas to offer as alternative places where people could go In case they were in violation of the ordinance because we need to provide them with a place to go Okay, well we can see if vice mayor Cummings who's the motion maker one that was not an original one I had suggested safe sleeping, but what I meant was managed some parking Is that is that accepted in terms of the correction safe parking? Yes. Okay in removal of safe sleeping That's right The one thing I would say with the safe sleeping is that we went through that all last all last winter And within the city at least there were no Areas that we were able to determine would be adequate safe sleeping areas. That was the decision. We got down to the decision between depot park and Think it was the wetlands and neither of those the marsh. Yeah, and neither of those were acceptable And there was only two remaining Areas within the city that were under consideration for safe sleeping and neither of those were selected by the city council So I don't think we should pursue that again at this time Okay, so you're accepting the friendly amendment. Um, are you as a seconder of the motion council member crown accepting that as well then modified language I thought um councilmember Glover just mentioned like five different places that that we're not The marsh or depot park But we had far as safe like so lat if I may sure Um, so last winter when this when the safe sleeping Areas were brought to the city council. The staff was Directed to go throughout the city and find City-owned parcels where we could have safe sleeping areas And of all the parcels that they identified We end up narrowing it down as a group to two And there was a decision made to put at depot park that decision came back And we decided we weren't going to put it there. We decided we weren't going to put it at jessie street march Is that neither of them were good ideas But what about an indoor place is what um councilmember Glover was just talking about? Is that different than a slave state? So if you want me on the top Yeah, well if you want to withdraw the motion the seconding of the motion that that's possible But the maker of the motion Modified the language to encompass safe parking as opposed to slave sleeping And if you're not supportive of that as the seconder of the motion now would be the time to withdraw that You're second. I'm asking him a question that is Can I reply but that is implied On increasing winter and year-round shelter capacity. Yeah, that's Winter shelter is indoor shelter second. Okay. Go ahead And then I think if if You're agreeable to take out the word temporary And just say in relocation of the river street camp prior to construction And the reason I say that is we were told earlier in the day that there may be other Locations that we are able to identify that can give equivalent or even more space And we wouldn't necessarily have to go back to the north river street So I think saying just temporary relocation implies a conclusion that we didn't reach Okay, so instead of during construction. It would say prior to relocation Not temporary, but just just a relocation. Yeah That's right And yeah, and then take out temporary take out temporary before relocation you remove temporary Above there we have third line last word I have another question and it says to send the city's amended camping ordinance and the county camping ordinance yes the idea the idea being that they will be able to provide us with recommendations on hours and also see how that fit within the county's ordinance because the county also has one and we should try to be consistent and I do appreciate that that's sending it to the cash and the community And I think then according to what the city managers told us what we need is some idea of a timeline on this thing I'm I'll go to councilor brown, but I just want to say I think hearing from our city attorney and city manager and chief of police this evening that we want to get out of a position of not being able to Be able to adequately respond and to have some sort of guiding document so they're not constantly in a position of trying to Sort of get into the cycle of putting out fires, right? So I appreciate kind of the context in that regard councilor brown Yeah, well, I just want to make a comment about the move to eliminate temporary relocation of the river street camp I understand, you know, I recognize the Potential that that site would not either not be available or not necessary Although I think we're going to need extra availability kind of indefinitely here So I just wonder because because I don't want to foreclose the possibility of Using that site again. It didn't sound like there was From our water director earlier today. It didn't sound like there was definite immediate need to use that space after the work has been done And so I guess I just I don't want to foreclose that possibility Okay Okay, so we could even add language prior to the construction and for potential reopening after completion of Or something like that My mind if I could just saying simply relocation prior to construction Says nothing about what will happen to that When the construction's done it will could be Remains one of the possibilities To the point sorry is that adequately cover it or could be potentially that language for the interest of moving this item Yeah, I mean I'm interested in moving it, but I really do feel that I would like to as a council Make clear if there are the votes for it that That space will be Continue to be in consideration After the work is completed I think there's there was there's consensus from the council on that and And that could be noted potentially in the minutes. Okay All right councilmember glennon. Yeah, I was going to say I would imagine The need to see it in writing just based off of I mean, I would like to see it in writing based off of my experience with this Body in general because we'll do it it'll switch and all of a sudden I'd be like, oh, let's not put it there Let's put it over here, but not here's going to work. So I'd love to have it in there So it's guaranteed that it'll go back there after the transition Councilmember Councilmember brown stuff So does the maker of the motion want to accept the revised language to add that Specificity that after construction is complete that that site could be reopened I could just say in parentheses with possible reuse was possible. There you go with possible reuse Is that So you put possible reuse reuse in parentheses after Okay Okay I mean I would just by smear coming I would just add language the priority for the prioritization Of review and recommendations for county wide response that way The language is there saying that you know if we can make this a priority for the catch Then maybe this item could then go To the next two meetings in place of some of the other items that they're going to be considering And So so priority for expeditious review does mean that it could It will take priority over some of the other content of the additional meetings. Okay. Thank you for the clarification And and ideally a return date as soon as possible to the council for action to Right to take action on the ordinance councilor matthew. So would you want to say Give direction for cash to prioritize This issue that means bump your other Projects if that's what we want priority says for priority expeditious review No, it doesn't does it cash and the community for priority. Oh, you're up there. Okay. I was down on another one Yeah, I think it covers okay and that okay priority I would put and between priority and expeditious review It seems okay And then the remaining elements of the friendly amendment have already been kind of spoken to And the warming center suggestion could get wrapped into the Original motion around how we're expanding conversation around potential additional shelter space Sorry So it seems that we're able to have incorporated all of the different elements within the remaining of the motion. Yeah Okay, so councilor matthew. Sorry Uh, so are all those friendly amendments now part of the motion or are they considered to be Uh, I think they're inherent in the inherent so you're dropping them. So I I was just they've been incorporated into the motion Because the first one is the exact same The first bullet is basically what you just did you council member brown warming center funding is not In the first in the main. No, that's right. That's an amendment Oh, the funding we delete it. That's I'm fine with it being in the the main motion. However, it gets Captured for the record, but that I don't want to lose that Would you direct staff to work with The county on that as part of the broader conversation around expanded shelter Or was that specific to this idea? Because that was the original element of the Um motion which to to work with the county on increasing winter in your round shelter capacity On call beds and temporary locations. So it was sort of a component of that Sure, but the but the issue that I'm talking about here is that I I want the city whether or not the county decides to make a Contribution or there's a conversation to be had there and which I'd welcome I want the city to consider uh contribution Uh to fund the warming centers Uh program this winter Okay to prevent hypothermia Okay, mr. Condati So I guess I just have a question is Is the maker of the motion accepting the proposed amendment as a friendly amendment? Yes Okay, and then we'll have a second Motion around the the increasing of parking or is that now incorporated? I don't I think it's incorporated. Okay Okay, I was going to say that first that first bullet. I think is what we were It's redundant. So the first bullet Should be deleted And then and the second one too and the second one as well. That's right Okay, so we can delete the first two bullets under the friendly. No, we don't Does any further Conversation around this Unless I'm as it's feeling accurate. Does everybody okay all those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously There's okay councilor brown. I just wanted to ask a question about the Just a follow-up question earlier. I asked about inclusion of the material from your oral report It in the minutes and So I think that one other question that I want to ask is if it was possible for you to provide Within the the overall county because you broke down the city's Mat I'm not going to call it bad mat spaces But the county was an overall can can we get a breakdown of the county as well? Yeah, it's in there And no, I can get that to you. You can have a chart that the county provided me That would be great. I can just make that available to in the record. Thank you Even if it could be So that concludes the first item on our Evening session and we're now moving on to the second item. Did you have additional comments before we conclude the first item? We didn't vote on the safe parking. No, I think that was in with the other thing. Yeah, I think we're bringing Yeah, okay That right so we were just talking about scheduling again the first meeting in january is the 14th Then it's the 28th when and so an agenda report has to get to people on the 7th Yeah, so the most what are we shooting for as soon as possible? Well, I think we've been told that they want more time to target Am I right Did you get what you needed in terms of the timeline and is it being as soon as possible? Um, we said it as a priority Or do you want a specific date? I think it's helpful to have a specific date because again as soon as possible can mean anything. So Clearly december is not doable So if it's first reading by the first meeting in january January maybe january would be better our first meeting meeting might be tough. What about january? I think january Second meeting second meeting january No later than no later than no later than the second meeting and we can we can we will do an update, you know If if for some reason there's this is an issue. So Okay No later than that so we can bring it back sooner, but no later than that. Okay. No later than the last meeting in january Is there a consensus from the council on that? Okay, it doesn't seem that we need a motion There's consensus that we'd like to have that no later than the last meeting in january and brought to us if we Are required to take action prior to time the council member lover. Are we on the next topic yet? Let me Yeah, I believe so. Okay, great. Um, I'd like to make a motion to continue the conversation of or the next item to the december 10th meeting To make sure that there's transparency with the public and not be making decisions about mayorship at 11 15 p.m Okay, and My understanding is Is that that's possible or this isn't for the city attorney Our charter says that the nomination the election happened the second meeting of november Nominations down the nomination an election. Yes, but But could we make a motion to continue it if there's interest to do that when there's more opportunity for the public to be engaged? I don't see Any real legal consequence should the council decide to defer taking action until the december 10th meeting However, the charter does very clearly say that the election shall be at the second meeting in november Okay Is there interest amongst the council to have this conversation or Will we have a motion? I guess to defer action. Is there a second of the motion? You're second to the motion Okay, councilor cohen seconds the motion We'll need to make a decision at a certain point We could do it now or we could do it On the 10th. Um, no, but we have to vote on whether to postpone it. That's right I don't need any further discussion around postponing it. Or do we I'm against it Okay Do we can we have a discussion on to postpone it now? Yes, you may. Yeah, it's not necessary. Okay Do you have the public comment on this before? Yep Never mind. I would draw this is taking way too long. I would draw my motion Let's just move forward. We do not have to have public comment in order to continue an item Okay, which is okay. So the motion has been withdrawn Okay, so now is an opportunity for the nominations for the new mayor and vice mayor for 2020 Uh, councilmember brown Uh, are we taking those separately? Do we we vote on the meet separately? I'll nominate Justin Cummings to be mayor or 2020 There's a motion by councilmember brown seconded by councilmember crone to nominate Justin Cummings to be mayor for 2020 At councilmember matthews. I support Justin for mayor, but I don't think you need a second for nominations He does he have A second for nominations It was a it was an emotion Oh, it was a nomination wasn't it? It doesn't matter. Oh well, okay Okay, okay And then um, do we want to take let's take the nomination for vice mayor? And then we'll go ahead and open it up to the community if they want to address this on this item There's a motion to nominate somebody for vice mayor councilmember Glover nominate sanny brown for vice mayor um Councilmember brown. I appreciate the nomination. I'm gonna have to Respectfully decline the nomination. Um, I I think That um, I'd prefer that we just kind of carry on with the Path that we that the tradition that we've Got going but I do appreciate It's member matthews. Yeah With that, I'd like to nominate donna mires as vice mayor She was the second highest vote-getter in her election. I think it Sustains a long established tradition if not a rule and she's certainly been A diligent council member in her first year Okay, I'll go ahead and second the nomination All right, we'll go ahead and open it up to public comment since I am committed to doing that We'll have up to two minutes to speak mr. Norris. You're welcome to come forward Members of the community councilmember um I want to reiterate what I've said before about A vice mayor Cummings and his record. I'm concerned about the The failure and the betrayal the progressive majority around Destroying the tenant rent control provisions back in january after initially voting for them Abandoning the ross camp Presumably also abandoning the phoenix camp he didn't show up to address that either Has not supported any of the recommendations tonight Made by councilmember glover A credulous adherence to assistant city manager susie o'hara In which he told a whole panel of progressive supporters that He wanted to make sure that her her claims and the staff were Verified and we have seen that there has not been existing inadequate shelter throughout the summer and now Sadly and more seriously enough throughout the winter The clear view court sell out to corporate developer greed I'm afraid jesson was on that side too Um, I I'm told today I was told at recess that he hasn't received the many emails I've sent him requesting a regular meeting with him as a both a radio activist and also a member of huff Um, I take him at his word again And because he's told me he's going to email me is is that still correct? This is obviously for us to hear. I got a faint nod. I understand But I want to make I want to I want to give him the benefit of the doubt Um, and as I said before Desiree can taro Is dead because this council Moved hundreds of people out of the ross camp without adequate shelter And justin comings provided the key vote for that And we'll know that I'll be providing similar key votes Thank you speaker Members of the council, I am adamantly opposed to donna mayers taking the seat of vice mayor I think the fact that she pounded on the dais and virtually accused publicly Drew Glover of making racist comments, which it was during a discussion about bias and about prejudice and For that as well as perhaps even more The recall which has been cited by davis epos who was the consultant on the stakeholder assessment Who called out the city council in the most diplomatic way liking it to trumpian politics and that specifically He could not say cindia matthews martin walkins and dynamires Are the trumpian elements here? We are face and this is not too harsh justin We are facing right now a progressive march in that is historically documented Into i'm sorry to use this word, but i'm going to use the word fascist because i don't mean it as an insult here when i say fascist i mean people who are extremely authoritarian People who are taking away our civil rights, which happened basically 20 years ago with the patriot act under george bush and worse In the nda a in the 2012 new year's eve obama did that so any activist who's accused of being a terrorist by a bureaucrat Can actually be disappeared without habeas corpus without a right to make a phone call What i'm trying to say is the fascism of today is being run by Exactly what we're seeing in this city 30 years of failing To protect our most vulnerable people and now they're being criminalized And people are so behind the times There is an amazing crazy making kind of attitude going on here donna miers is part of that fascist element She is part of the recall you she has refused to denounce it And it has been used in the worst way against our fairly elected officials Please do something anything not to honor miers as vice mayor next speaker This is about the election speaking to the nominations. You're welcome to come forward. You have up to two minutes nomination for a title of mayor et cetera Should be a person who is a leader of leadership You for you people are not leaders. I see one leader. You're sitting right there Now why is it that he's bypassed to be the mayor or vice mayor? I don't know. I don't like it how when he's speaking I'll say the mayor cuts in Stops him from talking breaking his momentum to do whatever it is that she do I don't know why it's like that either But This person who you talking about be the next mayor I've never once seen him at no Community Santa Cruz events seen him in the bar a few times, but I ain't never seen him at one loud nelson how we do things here not once This person over here you talking about being the vice mayor?  We talk about people dying of death out there in the street.  Whatever it is. It's in her head Let's say business savvy business sense. She's talking about let's move forward with it The man right here saying well, what about the sop? I don't know what that is But he's saying you put in the horse before the car. She's like for it. Let's do it anyway What kind of business sense is that? You all are trying to ruin in the city. That's why I asked why I called for a leader Glover right there He will do things. He knows that he's business. He presents stuff and you all just ignore his presentations How is that possible? Why ain't he listen to? You fold people you need to go For real This man is a leader. He shows his leadership Let him try to present a mark people be marching with him. You present a mark. Nobody's showing up You are not no leader You don't need us. You don't have leadership skills or qualities We see it. We know what we want. We hungry.  Your time is up next speaker I have a personal question for uh, mrs. Watkins. Do you think it's appropriate for a board of men to make decisions on abortion? Okay, the question is stands because it relates to what we're talking about You guys have been told by a university professor And a lot of good people that what you're doing and the decisions you're making are going to affect lives I'm talking about him and her specifically both of you were shown by university professors The legal ramifications of what you're about to do and it seemed as if neither of you heard anything Not a word out of their mouths. You're going to be liable. You're on the Um, we need to help people and it seems like you guys are more interested in the lines on your words Then on the real issue If you guys want to be mayor you want to be vice mayor do like this man did Go out and stay in a shelter Then you have a right to make a decision about it or sleep on the street We really need compassion and I know you guys are trying to do your best. I can't imagine the bureaucratic red tape I can't imagine it, but please Do not back down from the righteous thing to do Okay, no more Okay, and you three and you four. I don't know I'm praying for you You'll be our last speaker Um, I I wasn't expecting to speak on this issue because I presumed that sandy brown would just be the only Um obvious choice for vice mayor People were passing out pamphlets like little sheets of paper saying sandy brown for vice mayor Donna Myers claims that lesbians can't be racist, which is um, well, I mean we all know that's not true, right? So It's just really disappointing that you would hand over the vice mayorhood to a conservative So, yeah, there we go Very very all right. So my understanding is we don't take um, do we take action in and in voting on those? Okay, we'll go ahead and take the vote then at this time all those in favor of jesson comings as mayor for 2020 Please say I am first Did you have a question councilor point of order is there a is there a discussion first Around us before the votes taken There can be discussion Did you have a discussion, right? If there's if there's interest in the council to discuss the item or council member you're welcome to discuss it at this Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. So, um I have reservations Based off of the track record that was listed here with regards to vice mayor Cummings becoming the mayor, but You know, I'm not gonna fight it that much. Um, I know you have a good heart and you're trying to do the right thing even though Yeah, you've been doing some stuff man that I really I just don't agree with politically And it's really disappointing especially because we ran together and you Basically have betrayed everything and at every at almost almost if not every step you have you have betrayed No, I'm gonna go ahead and pause you. That's it. There that is not appropriate mr. Um Norris and miss cool you've interrupted and made comments the entire evening We're now approaching 11 30 and you're still making comments I You totally spoke No, no There's no more public comment not a no more public comment. We'll go ahead and conclude this Yeah, why don't I just like then then please don't interrupt by making comments if I hear one more I'm gonna ask you to leave. I'll ask you to leave. Okay. Go ahead And I saw aspects of this when she was out of the room and you Taking this authoritative stance when people were trying to talk It was it's really scary to see the path that you're going down And if you continue along this path as mayor the city will suffer even more than it already has over this last year um the So i'm just gonna leave it there. So i'm gonna. I'll support you as mayor, but seriously brother like I it has hurt me Deeply to have you just make the decisions that you've made and the impacts you've had on the poor and The people that were relying on you when they voted for you to get elected. So i'm hoping that you can turn that around and then with regards to The vice mayor ship I don't think it's really appropriate to have someone who Physically intimidated another council member on the dais in front of a camera to be Elected as vice mayor. I'm very disturbing to think about the the path that we're going to go down here And these are all reasons why I will be voting against the vice mayor nomination, but I'm also really I mean, I don't understand the logic. I mean you got your reasons. I get it sandy, but This is a pivotal moment in us being able to redirect and structure things and you know The vice mayor ship Is an important role because you were in there with agenda building and all this other kind of stuff and you know with with the situation that I just was expressed with the you know incoming mayor not having a balance in there and having a You know Neoliberal conservative perspective in my opinion now whether anyone identifies that way or not Uh, the voting practice that we've seen is detrimental. So again it's uh I I'm I'm saddened by the decisions and the choices that are in front of us But at the same time we're just going to have to move ahead with it Unless there's any further comment, um, we'll go ahead and maybe take the vote at this time all those in favor of the nomination for mayor Um, please say I I any opposed. Okay. That passes unanimously all those in favor for the nomination of councilmember meyers for vice mayor Please say I I uh opposed. Oh That passes with councilmember crone Meyers brown Matthews vice mayor comings and myself voting in support with councilmember glove are voting against Any further discussion? Okay seeing them. We'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting at this time We'll always find everybody