Hey everyone, how are you all doing? Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, whatever it is, wherever you are. It's Saturday morning for me here, so looking forward to the weekend. Although to be honest, my weekend's as much the same as my week's. So I don't know why I said that, but there you go. It's good because the kids are off school. So they've only just started going back actually. But we'll see how long that lasts for. It's been kind of like on and off here with the usual reasons why kids aren't going to school for the past two years. So we'll see how long it goes. But anyway, it's nice to have them at home again. So hey, everyone. Hey, Tony, I can't stick your message up, actually, because it came in before the stream officially started. So I don't have it in my e-mail list. But hi, Tony, great to see you here. Oh, there we go. There he is. Two oh three. All right. OK, it's always nice to know people's time zones. Two oh three PM. Great stuff. Hey, Jeff, great to see you as well. And and Mr. Michael Powell as well. Great to see you here. I'm doing the same thing as I often do. I'm now looking down at my monitor window instead of the teleprompter that I've got for exactly this purpose to be able to look down the screen. So there we go. Hey, Mr. DJ, right on beat. The famous composer of the e-cam theme. And that's what it is now, isn't it? It's the e-cam theme. I heard it again on Doc's live stream this morning. It's great that is. And Miss Eileen Smith. Hey, great to see you too. It's always nice to see you. Oh, and James Bush as well. Hello, nice to see you. Hope you are having a great year. I haven't spoken to you this year. And Dale, great to see you too. And hello, Albert. Great to see you too. Oh, you had a chat with Speedify, did you? Oh, great. Well, they're they're great speedifier. And it was a real pleasure to be on their show earlier. So, yeah, really earlier this week. That is, yeah, really good. I actually missed live. They did a sort of walkthrough of their whole sort of studio space because they've just moved into new new offices. And so they were just building out their studio. So I know it was a bit of a work in progress. And I think that the show that I was on earlier this week was kind of their first one from the studio space. So they had some acoustic insulation and stuff like that. But they hadn't quite put it up at that point. So they're sort of building it all out. But it was great to see. I did go and watch the replay. And it was great to see what they're doing there. But yeah, love the guys at Speedify. And, hey, Carly, great to see you. I hope you're enjoying your travels. Where is it you've gone, by the way? I never actually asked you that. I know you were on the road somewhere, but I'm not quite sure where. Hey, Dina, great to see you too. As always, let's have a little look. Curious about my wish list. I'll be getting on to that. Yes, my, oh, hey. Great to see you, Chris, as well. I know it's quite late there, isn't it? So thanks for stopping in. But yeah, I'll come on to my EECAM wish list. It's actually quite long, but I'm gonna keep it brief for the purposes of this. I'll go through all of these sort of features that ran into the beta. By the way, if you, I should, I'll come on to this a bit later as well. But if you've downloaded the beta earlier this week, then there was an update that came out sort of two days later as well with a couple of little fixes to a couple of little niggles with the first beta. So definitely check that one out. And yeah, Tony was. He was here first, waiting. Very nice to see too. Righty-ho. Let me get on with, and I'll start with my regular sort of channel update that I usually do, which is my progress towards my 365 videos in a year. Oh, one more just slipped in. Hello, Curwin. Am I saying that right? Great to see you. Nice to be with you too to stop by. So yeah, my 365 videos in a year. And I still haven't made up the lost ground. In fact, I've fallen a little bit further behind. I'll get back on top of it. I've just had quite a hectic start to the year and had to devote some time to some other things, but there's nothing like a goal to actually motivate you to achieve it. So where are we? We're on day 246 and only 187 videos. I've got some catching up to do, but never mind, I'll get there.  So great to see all you other lovely people that have subscribed to my channel. And in the last two weeks, it's sort of gone up by about 10% actually. So that's quite nice to see. So I just hit the thousand mark. Actually, it was the day before New Year's Day. Or was it the day before New Year's Eve? I can't remember. But it was about two weeks ago anyway. So it's nice to see that that is still creeping up. And there is the watch hours, 7,000. I don't know at what point I need to stop actually mentioning these stats. It was always, in terms of the watch hours and views and stuff like that, it was always as I was doing the originally 100 videos in 100 days, which I did. So it was kind of charting the progress of the channel and how these sort of things change over time. But the watch hours are probably getting a little bit meaningless now. So I might just sort of drop those off going forward because yeah, it was always sort of that. The road to 4,000 watch hours, which was the road to monetization was the one that I was sort of really charting. So now that we've gone past that, I don't know if it's necessary to keep it on there. So I'll see. I'll maybe drop it off. But one other one that I'll be sharing as well. Oh, hello, Rich. Just got to say hello. You've just slipped in. Great to see you, Rich. Yeah, one other thing that I'll be talking about going forward though is the sort of monetization aspect of it because it is one of those things that people say, you know, you're not going to be able to necessarily make a living the day you hit the 1000 subscriber level and join the YouTube partner program. But it's all relative, really, isn't it? How much is not much and how much is a lot? It's totally relative. So I'm going to be not saying things like that, but rather just telling you the cold hard facts and sort of showing you what I've found with my channel. So let's get on and do that, shall we? What I'll do is I'll come over to my stats. I am a bit of a stats geek for those of you new in the chat and on the stream. I do love digging into stats and things like that. So this is basically the channel since it started. So yeah, it was pretty consistent for the first four months from May last year. But then towards the end of last year, it was a bit erratic. So there's lots of sort of up and down and these little spikes, let me just see if, let me embiggen that a little bit. It's perhaps a little bit small, is it? Oops, a daisy. Have to be in the right app to embiggen it to use Dr. Wood. Yeah, so these little spikes for views are basically sort of when videos come out. So all the time in the, at the beginning here, I was generally posting on average a video a day and it was pretty much a video a day, sometimes two, sometimes none, but generally it was pretty consistent. But these sort of wild sort of spikes here are all basically because I've been a little bit less consistent in terms of these daily videos. And so some of these are, you know, like this was the one that I posted about the Ecam beta earlier this week. I hadn't posted anything since the week before. So that's what that spike was. So yeah, I've just got to get back to my consistency, which is one of my goals for this quarter really is by the end of the quarter to have quartered with all of my videos until I've got back to consistent posting. So that is the views. Watch time, I've just sort of mentioned, again, spike. In fact, I suppose actually that day I had my sort of highest watch time ever, which would have been for that, the beta release. You can see that's the sort of highest spike. Not that that means a huge amount, it's just interesting. And then the sort of subscriber count is, again, it tends to be when I post videos, there's usually something that maybe just grabs people's attention.  It's just getting in the way exactly when I'm trying to show something. It just sort of pops up. There we go. So generally there's sort of, what's that? That's two and 10. So between two and 10, there was one day where there was none subscribed on that particular day, but there you go. That's what I'm getting from that. But let's have a little look at the revenue because this is the sort of part going forward that I wanna share more with you so that we can have a little dig in and see exactly what to expect really when you just get monetized initially. It's something that a lot of people are waiting for. And so it's interesting just to note what is happening there. So this is basically, there was nothing all the way up to here. This is the day that I actually got accepted onto the YouTube Partner Program, which was effectively, it was actually the 31st of December at 9 p.m. So just in the nick of time, just before the new year. And so then every day since then, it's basically charting revenue. The spike there was actually because the lovely Mr. Paul Duncan himself, moderator extraordinaire and also lovely Mr. Rob Vols, both gave super chats and super chat and super sticker on my first official live stream having been monetized. So that's what that spike is there because this gives you all revenue from ad revenue but also from super chats and things like that as well. So here you can see a couple of spikes as well. That's when I got higher views because of the two videos that I've released since then. But then if I come into revenue, I did go over this last week but it's worth just touching on again because I do wanna sort of share this with you and show you the sort of level of analysis that we can do. I probably won't do this every week but just maybe on a monthly basis go back and review the month and see the effect. One thing that I'm leaving for a month is before I actually change anything in terms of the ads at the moment I've pretty much got all ads switched on essentially but I will go and just sort of trim out some of those after a month when I've figured out what's going where and how they're performing and yeah, we can have a little look at that. So what it tells you here is so I'm in the YouTube studio and in the revenue section. And just quickly I'll just pop this question up just to derail this slightly, I do like tangents. ProMouse is working with screen share so it doesn't work if you are sharing a specific app because it's classing ProMouse as an app. So therefore if I was to have shared my Chrome window for example then it wouldn't show ProMouse but what all I've done is I've just shared my whole screen Chris and then I've cropped into just the Chrome window and then it does show up because it's obviously showing everything. So if I was to move something else like the finder or something over then that would appear there as well. So that's all I'm doing to do that. Just to answer that before it gets missed. So anyway, back to the stats though. Yeah, what it's gonna tell us here is obviously this is revenue by month. Obviously only, so that was literally, it must be working on US time by the way rather than my time. Because I did my live stream at New Year's Day but this is classing that as New Year's Eve. So let's have a little look down here. And so here it's telling me so far ad revenue is $34 and then transactional revenue which is things like the super stickers and super chats that's $17 and the YouTube premium revenue. So that's people who are watching on premium. You're basically not losing out because they're not seeing ads. You're getting a percentage of the, or at least you're getting credits for those people that are watching on premium. So if you are not a YouTube premium user, I highly recommend it if you watch YouTube quite a lot. I can't believe I didn't do it sooner. There was my poor kids watching YouTube on TV sometimes and then there'd be like ads coming up and all this sort of stuff right in the middle of there. Yeah, very important cartoons. And some of the ads, you know, they just, they don't necessarily know how to skip them and things like that. So I can't believe I didn't do it sooner but now I've got, now I've changed over to premium and then it just means that they're watching whatever they wanna watch completely ad free as well.  There you go. And incidentally, I shall come on to that because here you can see the ad types and there's basically five different ad types or there's actually four, not sure what unknown is but there's four different types of ads. Skippable ads, definitely my preferred if I'm gonna have ads in anything is giving people the option to, ah, thank you very much, Carly. I've still not got my, that's very kind of you. I've still not got my, why is that not coming up? Hang on a minute, there we go. Thank you very much, Carly, for that, much appreciated. I've still gotta get my little widget, my little super chat widget to come up but I've still not programmed that so I'll have to get onto that but much appreciated and that is going on the coffee. In fact, that can probably go to two coffees but fortunately I've got two here. I've got my two Ecamm mugs. So there we go. Thank you very much, that's much appreciated. So yeah, the ad types, where was I? I got distracted by that lovely gesture. The ad types, we've got skippable video ads and then the next one is non-skippable ads, 8%. I still haven't got down to actually looking at exactly where they're putting these because you can place all of these ads in the videos. I've just not had time to actually dig into that and make sure that they are going into the right place and that they're not too over-facing. I would love to know from anybody's point of view if they've been watching mine and they have been seen ads. Are they too intrusive? Are you getting too many of them? What do you think? Because I'm definitely open to suggestions. I'll probably be definitely switching off non-skippable ads just because I'm not a fan. Bumper ads, I'll probably be switching those off as well. Those are the little sort of text ads that come up like over the top of the content somewhere at the bottom. And you can see that the percentage contribution to ad revenue, there's 85% is basically from skippable ads. 8.7 is from non-skippable ads. Bumper ads, 3.2%. And then display ads, which are the larger ones that appear, I've still got to figure out exactly where they're going as well, but those are the larger ads that go over the top. And that is 2.1%. I'm guessing I'm just going to be switching off all of these three, leaving that one, and then just being a little bit more sort of conscious of exactly where they're going and how many of them there are as well. Because yeah, yeah. Whilst it's nice to get to generate revenue obviously from the content, it's a way to monetize the content. I don't want to annoy people. So there's that as well. And then as we come down here, then we've also got the super chat and super stickers. So that sort of lists that down there as well. When you come into the videos, like on an individual video, it will tell you exactly how much per video and all that sort of stuff. You get that in the analytics of the video, but here you can also see top earning videos. So this is, whoopsie daisy, this is the, yeah, you didn't see that. I should have just glossed over that because I just did something, but you didn't see it fortunately. So then we've got this one. This was from, that was actually from a live stream. So this is higher because that includes those super chats and that's the sticker that came on my first live stream. This one would be from just purely ad revenue. That's always been my top performing video actually. Why profiles are better than folders for Stream Deck. I do lots of videos on Stream Deck and on Ecamm Live, predominantly Ecamm Live it seems. That wasn't intentional when I started, it's just what I love. So I tend to make more videos about it. The Stream Deck videos are always my top performing videos though and that one is, yeah, consistently, just keeps getting higher and higher reviews. So the other one that's a bit of an anomaly really is Moom. So I did a video about Moom and how I use it for organizing all of my windows on my screen. And that is like third or something in terms of my overall watch time on videos, which surprised me a little bit because it's a bit of a niche app really. But here you can see, so that is the top one. And then this one was basically from new Ecamm Live beta features. So that was released just this week and there's the revenue from ads on that one, $2.73. So I'm only sharing this with you so that if you are on the path to monetization and I'm not sure what to expect when it comes in and what people mean when they say, don't expect YouTube to back up the money truck. This is hopefully just giving you a little bit of an idea of what I'm getting with my views and stuff like that. So I will keep just sharing this for everyone who wants to know. So let's have a little look show where we're up to with the comments perhaps because there's been quite a few streaming in and I've not really been keeping up. So let me have a little look. Ah, so one second. I'll just answer this one from Albert first of all. 59, 55, 95. Where was that figure? That was the total, wasn't it? No, that was a total in, let me switch off the scene now. I'm showing it to you, but I've switched off. Here we go. So that is basically just the total so far. That includes the super chats and also the ad revenue. This is an interesting one here. So it's basically telling you this is my estimated CPM or revenue per M, which is million, it's not million, it's a meal, which is a thousand bit confusing. It's revenue per thousand views. So that's basically what I'm getting per thousand views, 79 cents. So for every thousand views, I'm on average getting 79 cents from ad revenue. So that is excluding the super chats and stuff. Now this is what advertisers are actually paying for that. So YouTube is effectively taking $23.93 and out of that I'm getting 79. So let's just have a quick look because I know some people think it's inevitable that YouTube is gonna take the larger portion of that, which obviously that they are. I should be able to do this in my head, but just struggling to talk and calculate at the same time, 3.3%. So that's basically from the ad revenue, the creator in this case, me, from this is getting 3.3%. I don't know if that's a standard or if that is just how that's worked out. But certainly at the moment, if that's what advertisers are paying, that's what I'm getting, then I'm getting 3.3% of the ad revenue, which is fine by me. And with the super chats, now what was it? I calculated this last week because basically there was, in fact, I can just have a look in here. So this one here, 17.16, that was basically from a $20 super chat and a $3 something sticker. So $23 and then that 17 is what I got out of that. So they're taking like 20, 30%, something like that. So yeah, that's in terms of what they're getting out of that about 30%, isn't it? My mind's struggling to calculate and speak, but that's what it is. So that's just gonna be interesting to look at as well to see what the sort of split is going forward as well. Let me have a little look. I've got quite a lot of things to catch up on here. I don't know what's cooking, but it's always gonna be good. I love Deena's cooking live streams. They're always entertaining. Let's have a little look. One second, catching up. Everyone's saying hello, hello, hello to each other. Always nice to see as well. Eileen, have you had a chance to play around with 3.1? There is lots, I'm gonna be coming onto that in a moment as well. I'm sort of caught up because that's, there we go. The screen sharing. Let's have a little look. One second. Hey there, Chris. I'm just going through all of these. Lots of people saying hello to each other, which is always London. Yeah, so I don't know how they calculate it, by the way. So Carly saying, wondered how revenue was shared for premium users. Yeah, I don't know how YouTube calculate it, whether they give the same sort of, effect, you know, balance out that same cost per thousand as the ad revenue or not. But yeah, always always interesting. I can't believe I slept on premium for so long. Why did I not do it? And I don't even know why I didn't do it because I did keep getting the things popping up and just dismissing it. You know, do you want to try premiums later? So I don't know why I didn't do that, but it was about three months ago, was it? Something like that, I switched it on. Yeah, I've got a wish list, though, that was around before then. So it's kind of like an existing wish list to a certain point. Let's have a little look. I might have guessed that you would have had premiums in state one, because you're the ultimate early adopter. You're trying everything. That's what I love about you. You're always trying absolutely everything and then sharing the findings with everyone else. It's wonderful. Hey, Jim, great to see you as well. No problem. Mind you being late. That's all right. I'm just pleased that you popped in to say hello. It's always nice. Let's have a little look. And now that's interesting, because I was just asking, I don't know if you were in just before when I was talking about ads and stuff like that, saw the live notice and then spent a few minutes in ads before getting to your live. Oh, well, that's bloody frustrating, that is, isn't it? I don't want to have people watching ads just to get into to watch. I'll have to correct that. Maybe I, yeah, I'll have a little look at that. I'll fix that for next week, don't worry. Let's have a little look. DJ right on beat doing requests. Oops, Daisy. Just get rid of this one. There we go. Just go with that. Comments. Got a couple of them in today. Naughty people. And let's have a little look. I should just do that, shouldn't I? Well, yes. Thank you very much, Eileen. Let me just sort that out right now. I can just do it from in here, can't I? There we go. This is very easy to do. Click. Click. Just make, I'll make everybody moderators. Hey, Michael, another Michael. We've got the two Michaels, the UK Michael and the US Michael. Well, now you've started something. The Dr. Evil. You know, I have got an image just for that. Let me find this. You have started something now, Michael. Let me just get this up. Can you tell I'm getting sidetracked already? Here you go. There you go. That is the real Dr. Evil there. Hey, Keely, great to see you here. Oh, why are you here? Let me just do this. There we go. I've wrenched you. I might live to regret it. There we go. I'm just doing channel admin here. I hope you don't mind while I'm just getting on with this while you're here. There we go. Hopefully that should keep the riff rough out. I've got the power team on the case now. Righty-ho.  Oh, no problem, Rich. So what was I going to talk about? Where was I up to? I was up to talking about, I should mention, since I've been talking about progress and channel updates and stuff like that, it's kind of related. I've still not released my Zoom course. Long story short, lots going on at work, haven't had time. It's my updated goal is to get it out by the end of next week, though. So there you go. That would be useful, wouldn't it, Keely? What a great idea. Why didn't I do that? Why didn't I use this as a learning experience? Let me just sort that right out because I think a lot of people think it's really difficult. So let us do that right now. I am going to, in fact, I could just bring this down here, share my screen. That one. There you go, right. So here I've got the YouTube chat. I'm gonna show you how you can make somebody a moderator in your chat. And basically, if, in fact, Keely, have you not, does that not work? Let me try that again. So here we go. I'm gonna come over to Keely and then you've got three little dots. This is really small, isn't it? Tell you what, let me, yeah. Let me do this again. I'll do this a bit better. I'm not that. I will duplicate the scene. And then what I'll do now is I will just crop in to this window and I'll make it bigger like that. Crop in this way and make it bigger that way. There you go. So now we can see the chat. There we go, where is it there? Now you can see the chat and I can bring this aside in a little bit. There we go, get to the edge. Hopefully, everyone can see that. Keely's superpower is asking useful questions to streamers. That is so true. It really is. So you come over here, you've got the three little dots next to the name and then here you can either go to their channel, pin the message, report them, remove them.  I don't. Put the user in a timeout, hide the user on this channel or add them as a moderator. So it's funny actually, because you're not showing up in the list as having a wrench, but you are a moderator already. So that is interesting why that's not come up and then Collie as well. So basically that is how easy it is.  You do also see them in your channel as well. So let's have a little go back to that one. So if you come into your channel, then it is in, I wanna say settings. I'm guessing settings. And is it here? Is it permissions? Community. There you go, moderators. So they just listed in there. So you can also go in there if you wanna go and delete people and you can search for people as well. So that's basically how you sort of add people in and take them out. So that was in the settings bottom here and then in community. And yeah, you can add people that way as well. But if you are on a live stream and you've got people in your chat, then it's easy just to add them in that way as well. So let's have a little look. So, where are we up to? Right, so yeah, let's have a little talk, shall we, about the Ecam Live beta version 3.10. As I mentioned, if you did upgrade earlier this week and you haven't checked again, then do check again because there is a new beta update out as well that has fixed a couple of issues. So I'll come on to those as we get to them. I'm not gonna do the full demo. I did the full demo earlier this week. So yeah, I won't go through and do a full demo of everything. I do like the overlays that like now everything can fly in. So I suppose I could just do a quick demo of this, can I, in fact, if I just go to this scene and I could just do it on the fly now, I'll have that one fly in from the left and then I'll fly this one in from the right like that. And then if I go back to this scene and then back to this one, then there you go. You can now add these transitions and stuff like that. I like what they're doing, you know, adding in these extra little features to just add some different interest. I'm gonna start just going through and adding in little features that I'd like. I'd like to have the ability to actually sort of transition from one to another. So let's say I was gonna transition to another scene, having it sort of merge from one scene to another could be quite interesting. So if it would recognize on one scene what camera source you'd got, so this window that I'm in at the moment, it would recognize that that's obviously a camera, my main camera and a screen share. And then if I was to say switch to a different one, something like this, then if things would sort of almost animate from one to another, that could be an interesting feature. That's a bit like on Keynote, you've got the magic move feature and what that does is basically if you're on Keynote and you duplicate a slide and then move things around, then when you do the scene transition from one slide to the next, it just automatically animates those. That could be a nice little thing to add in. And yeah, it's easy to say these things. So don't get me wrong. I'm not just thinking, oh, it's just easy. It's just like they're doing Keynote, but it's just a little wish list here that we're going through. So there was one thing though with the, what else was it? Oh, it's the alignment as well. So the little alignment tool that you've got now in, with different overlays where they will sort of align up and show those little alignment lines. That was one thing that there was a little bug in the first beta release where it worked in the, when you had got the elements shown in a specific scene, but when you were showing them in all scenes, then it didn't quite work. In fact, it didn't just work at all. So that was one of the fixes that the alignment tools now work in when it's shown in all scenes or in the specific scene as well. Eileen's just asking, am I using restream to multi-stream on Facebook? I am actually, yeah, I've sort of, I started streaming to Twitch when I first started the channel because it was kind of like, I found out about restream and realized you could stream to all these different places. So I just started doing it because you could. I haven't bothered streaming to Twitch because I wasn't, I didn't have an audience there. It was just kind of like a total, you can do this, let me do it. So I kind of stopped doing that. When they opened up streaming to Twitter as well, I was doing that for the past few weeks, but again, not really any engagement there. And I don't think I want to use that as a place to host videos. So I've not bothered doing that this week as well. I am streaming to Facebook though, because I do seem to have some level of engagement on Facebook. And just interested to see what happens with sort of building a sort of video content on there as well on the page. So yes, currently restream to Facebook and YouTube to answer that question. So did they add anything from my wish list into the updates this week? They are always actually listening to everybody. So there's a few things that I've asked for, like the, I'm not saying that they just listened to me and did it. There's lots of other people asking as well, but like in the last update, the one about green screen, screen sharing. So I've been able to add the green screen effect to screen sharing was one that came in the last update, 3.9. That was something that I'd definitely requested as well as other people had requested it. And speaking of wish list, one thing that I'd love is for them to be also able to add that to video so that basically you could bring any video in that I'd got a green screen background or a green background and then have it doing the keying on that. So that's something that's still on my wish list that hasn't actually come up yet. And by the way, if anybody does want to just pop on and talk about any of the features, I'll just stick this up now while I'm thinking about it. You're welcome to come and join, takeonetech.io slash join. If you've got any comments or anything like that about the e-cam live in general or anything else for that matter. So yeah, having the ability to add green screen, the green screen keying to a video would be really useful because people do download or create videos with the green screen on the background and then have to take it into a second application to remove the green screen to bring it in with the transparency. So I don't know how technically difficult that would be to sort of apply, but yeah, being able to just drop a video in and then key out the green would be useful for lots of applications. So that would be something that was quite useful. All the changes that they're making to camera overlays or the overlays, all the movements and stuff like that is something that I've been wanting. I want them to add the same sort of borders and things like that that we've got currently for the cameras and the screen sharing. Having that with images would be also really useful. So when you're dropping images on you can get exactly the same sort of border effects and things like that. That would be really useful. That would be a great name for it, scene morphing for that thing that I mentioned earlier about having the scenes being able to move from one to another and the elements just sort of automatically move around. Again, not sure how technically difficult these things are, but I'm just giving my little wish list. Oh, did I miss a great tip there? Great tip about turning off ads for the live then turning ads on for the replays. That is, yeah, that's definitely what I need to do because yeah, I don't want people seeing through ads to get, did I miss Keely saying that somewhere? I can't see it now. Anyway, I'll credit Keely with it anyway. But yeah, that's what I need to do, Jim. Just switch off the ads until the live's finished. So where are we up to? Obsidazy, who have we got joining? Ah, speak of the devil. Well, speak of the angel, I should say. That's not very nice. Now think about it, speak of the devil, is it? One second. Let me just assign to guest. But there we go. Hey, Keely. How are you doing? Hello, how are you? I'm very good, thank you. Fantastic. Good, good. You invited, so I accepted. That's how this works. That is how this works, yeah. And it's great to see you. Next time what you have to say is, would anybody like to join except Keely? And then I'll get the message very clearly. But otherwise I'm like, well, I'm right here, I might as well. I wouldn't want anyone else, Keely. You know that. Oh, you're so sweet. How are you finding the new beta? Have you been using it? I have been. And I've noticed a couple little glitches that I need to replicate before I, I don't like going in the beta group. I'm talking like, you know, I don't like going in the beta group and saying things unless I'm very sure that what I've experienced is actually a bug or a bit of a disturbance. So I need to go back and test. But I was having problems with videos that I had set to auto advance to the next scene. Suddenly those were broken, which I wasn't using anything fancy about the auto folders. They were just my regular, cause I do that a lot that I have a sequence of clips that I want to go through and they weren't advancing. So I just want to make sure that that actually is consistently happening. That was a known bug, but they have actually fixed that. So if you, again, they fixed it. Yeah, cause it was, it was, yeah, it would only work when they put them in folders. So they did it. Oh, that's okay. I did download that update, so. Yeah, so that, well, that's good. I'm so good that I don't even have to report the bug. It just gets fixed. Experience it, boom. Hey, Aileen. Hello, beautiful people. How are you doing? Come on, Aileen. Good, good. Yeah, that's my jam. I know. Oh, no. How, how are you finding me yet? I don't get to sit next to you very often, Aileen. This is, this is kind of nice. Yeah. I'm looking the wrong way. Hi. Hi. Yeah, you looked the wrong way, too. Sorry. Hi, Kelly. Hey, Alex. Here we go. Sorry, I want to interrupt you again, Alex.  I was just going to say to Aileen, how are you finding it? Have you been using the beta? I posted a little test because this whole echo cancellation thing. And I'm still a little confused. And OK, so here's the thing. We always had echo cancellation, right? And that is to prevent echo coming from, well, you know, echo coming from your Mac. Correct, yep. Now this new one is supposed to prevent it from coming from external speakers. OK. Correct, yes, yep. I heard people like saying, no, that's going to affect the quality of your audio. I feel like I'm laggy right now. Is it just me or? If you're watching the feed, there may be a bit of a delay. But don't worry, you're coming out fine for us. But I'm OK. All right. So I said, let me just test it and see if there's any diminish. Because I'm using this like the same mic that you guys. Look, I don't know, what do you have, Alex? It's the MV7. MV7. OK, we all got the same mic. OK. So I said, well, let me see if I'll test it on the fly. So the good thing about it was I was able to do the test and a couple of people, two people gave me feedback and said it sounded the same. The bad thing was turning on and off the echo crash e-cam. Oh. Yeah, so there's that. And so right now, Eileen, do you have the same echo cancellation feature turned on? Let me look. Let me look. Well, they're always had the regular echo cancellation as always on. But let me see about the other one. Yeah, both of them are on. But I'm not using external speakers. So I really don't need to have it on right now. But that's another thing that I noticed. And I'm definitely not going to turn it on and off right now. I sent in my diagnostics and, you know, Ken and Glenn are brilliant. I absolutely love them to pieces. But then Glenn says, are you able to repeat it? And I'm thinking, well, how many streams do I have to do? Because he got the diagnostics lost. Like, how many times do you want me to do it? It crashes just e-cam. So you want me to do that? I dare you to do it right now.  You can do it. You can do it right now. Just turn it on and turn it off. I already know it crashes. Mine. I'm here for this. This is how we test. And I'm with friends. So I feel like this is something I could try. OK, this is another audio. Yeah, I already know it's crashing. Now, what happened was I turned it on. Like I said, I already had the one on. Then I turned the other one on. Fine.  Because this is weird. I don't really need it anyway. And that's when it crashed. So it didn't crash when I turned it on. It crashed when I turned it back off. And so then, also, they were linked. They became linked. I couldn't turn them off separately. But they weren't linked. When I opened e-cam, they were separate. Right, right. But it was so I was just like, OK, they've still got some work to do with that. Because you know people are always going to want to turn that on on the fly. Yeah, yeah. Because it's not easy to start having fun. Yeah, you know what I mean? You would hope that people have their setup ready to go before they start. And they've tested it, and they're confident that their audio is working the way they want. So they shouldn't be changing things once they've gone live. I'm the kind of person who would need to try to do this on the fly. I was thinking more, Kelly, of guests when you're inviting guests on. Oh, yes. All of a sudden, you hear that. Then the first thing you think is, oh, let me turn it on off whatever case may be. So you're going to always want to be able to do that on the fly is the bottom line. OK, so you know that time at Bandcamp where you challenged me to do it live? I just did it. I turned it on, all of it, and I turned.  No problem. Good, good. And I didn't hear any change in your sound, either. No, no. But I'm also, I'm headed, I've got things and things, so. Yeah, but there is no sound coming out of my Mac or coming out of external speakers at all. Right. Is it on now? Is it? No. No. For me it is. Right.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder what's going on. We're hearing an echo. Because that wasn't there originally, but then now it's done. No. Well, no, it was there before I started fiddling with my audio settings. Was it? I'm not saying that it's anybody's fault. See, I wasn't hearing that before, though. That's for me. Oh, I was, I was. Interesting. So, and you still hear it? Yeah. But I have it on. Yeah, I'm not hearing an echo from you, Eileen. I'm hearing an echo from Keely. So whenever Keely speaks, I'm hearing the echo from that, which would imply that it was coming out of perhaps, perhaps it's coming out of yours. Are you using speakers then, Eileen? No. That's weird, isn't it? I don't know. But you're not using headphones right now. So how are you listening? I never use headphones. Never. Right. So you're hearing us out of your built-in Mac speakers? Yes. And I have the echo cancellation on. Or is it any different now? Because I test, test, test. I just turn my speakers way, way down like I can barely hear you. Testing, testing. One, two, three. That seems better because like when Keely just spoke then, I didn't hear the echo from Keely. So that would imply that it's doing something. All right, so. There we go. The joys of echo cancellation. Yeah. And like I said, my main concern is the worry or the concern that someone, a few people have voiced it. That your audio would be diminished when you turn that on. Well, technically it will because it's doing some processing. So, I mean, there will always be something where it's, it's always better to use it without any audio processing. It's the same with Zoom as well where they'll often, you know, they do a lot to try and cancel echo background noise and it's just, it's all extra software processing that's going on. But it's not like audio files will get really picky about it. But, you know, I don't think it's, it's a major thing. It's like you still sound, you still sound fine to me. So. Thank you. But you know what? And now that I'm thinking about it, because Keely and I are in here as guests, we're actually coming through the browser. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're not actually, I mean, even though we're using e-cam as our virtual cams, right? Yeah. So the browser has, yeah. There's another layer layer layer. Yeah. What's happening now is all down to basically the browser and the microphone that's selected in that, as opposed to the e-cam setting. So. Yeah. But your output from, if your output from your browser could be what we're. Yeah. That would be what it is. We would just be hearing that. Yeah. Yeah. And not echo. It's slap back. Correct. Correct. I know, but. Cause I've done. I swear, probably just went. Cause you heard somebody say echo. And then change it inside of e-cam to say slap back cancellation. Yeah. So. Ain't nobody going to understand that. Folks won't understand. Nobody got time for that. Yeah. Hey, Caleb. Great to see you. And asking a question. Can you change the voice delay while live? I've never tried that actually, but. I don't know. It's cause basically while you're recording, that's the other setting in e-cam where you can add the, the mic delay. I'm guessing. I don't know. I mean. So perhaps you can, perhaps you can change it on the fly. Yeah. Yeah. You can. We are really testing everything on the fly here with the settings. Yeah. But I mean, that's, I mean, you say that people might not do this, you know, with it, with e-cam, the bug in that, but that's the, the point about the beta really, isn't it? It's for finding all these little things out. And there's, I mean, it's like the one about the alignment thing where it worked when they tried it in all in the individual scene, but when you try it in all scenes, it wasn't working. So that's the, that's the point of the beta program. To iron all these things out. Mm hmm. And then you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to do all these things out. Mm hmm. Absolutely. Go in, loopback. I don't use loopback except for, I do use it for zoom. So that's basically when you want to have two way, two way channels basically from e-cam, interviewees going into zoom and from zoom, people going back out to the interviewees, but if you're not doing something like that, then it's not necessary for, for just general use really. Yeah. And I, I have loopback installed and I have a number of virtual mics, but I'm not using a virtual mic right now. Yeah. The mic that I'm using into Chrome is just my Shure MV7. It's not. I have an e-cam mic set up that brings in sound effects and certain apps that I want e-cam to be able to access. And then I have a zoom mic. I have a, I have a WhatsApp mic I have, and I call my mics according to the application in which I'm going to use it, not the other way around. I'm not doing it the Kirk Nugget way. I'm doing it my way. That makes sense to me. So your mileage may vary. I don't want to confuse anybody. Just saying. Rich was ahead of us, by the way. Eileen and Keely aren't streaming now, so it's just virtual cam. So, Right. Yeah. Yeah. We're using our virtual camera as the camera that Chrome pulls into this experience that we are providing. Yeah, that's true. Jim's got it right. Slapback. If they called it slapback, just imagine the number of support calls. What's slapback? Yeah. So, hence them using echo and slapback. Slapback is the way that I respond to people's comments when I'm not happy with them. Carly is saying, can you demo how to switch from beta to the regular version? It's as simple as you've got two separate apps, two separate icons in your doc or in your applications folder, and so you just close one and open the other. The only thing to bear in mind with the current one is there's some features in there that would effectively get broken if you went back to the original one. Because basically if you open up the beta and you've got multiple different profiles in there, in fact now it would just, all of that would be exactly the same in the regular one. But if you're using some of these things like the timer folders, for example, where it will sort of cycle through different scenes, that wouldn't work in the original, or the original, the non-beta version. And then also the things like the movies that will play in the background through multiple scenes, then those features wouldn't. So it's just if you go and set up stuff in the beta and then go back to the regular version, those sort of things might actually get broken so that when you came back to the beta, they may not actually work. So what I'd recommend is having a profile that is like for your testing of the beta things and make sure you change out of that to the regular version before you go back to the regular version, if that makes sense. Yeah, I never go back. Neither do I actually, no. Once I went beta, I never went back. Q colon, Q colon. Does anybody else have the experience that as they're using Ecamm, maybe just beta, that their output device changes automatically to Ecamm Live Audio at random times, perhaps when you activate Ecamm or maybe something else. And when that happens for me, I know that it's happened because suddenly my audio gets a little, there's almost like a static in it. And then I immediately go back to my sound source and I go, oh yeah, all of a sudden I'm not, sure is no longer my output, Ecamm Live Audio is my output. And I ain't changing it to that because I don't even know what Ecamm Live Audio is. Yeah. Q colon. What's the app that you can root your different outputs and inputs and stuff like that? Not to look back, you mentioned it the other day. Sound source. Sound source, right? That's what I'm looking at right now. So I downloaded Sound Source and I uninstalled it, but I've still got some of the, some sound control output because I found that it was switching my stuff around and I just couldn't get my head around why it was doing it in some instances. I don't know if it's related to that. I don't know if there's a setting, because I've uninstalled it now, but I don't know if there's a setting where you can have it default to a certain output when you open a certain app, but it could be worth having a look in there to see if that is having anything to do with it. The redirection feature. So Sound Source, everybody at home is an app by, what is it? Amoeba? Rogue Amoeba. Rogue Amoeba, yeah. Yeah. I can tell Alex already pulling it up and he's going to put it in the comments for us. And I thought it would be, they had it on mega sale on Walk Friday, so I decided it's been around for a long time. Maybe I'll pick it up so that you could easily route audio automatically, your inputs and your outputs differently, depending on what app you're using. And that is one of its main features. So it's called redirect audio too, and you can change it on the fly. So I'm going to right now quit Sound Source, and I'm going to see if I can trigger the Ecamm Live app audio stuff and test that out for a while, because it is weird and annoying. And I think it can cause some problems in Discord, especially because Discord is quite sensitive to changing in your audio input output. You end up, yeah. Callie knows all about this. She's been fighting this all week. I get that, is every time I've changed my output and come back into Discord, it's like, hey, you've just detected that you've, it's almost as annoying as Microsoft Clippy from back in the day. Yeah, click on the blue. I'll take that back. Nothing is annoying as Clippy. Accurate. But yeah, click on the don't ask me this again. It's at the bottom of that dialogue. My life is so much more peaceful now that I've clicked on that. I thought it was important for it to switch for me automatically. It ain't important at all, because it keeps wanting to use my monitors, which actually don't have speakers in them. So, no, they don't have an audio output. Why do you want to use them? So there you go. Well, all thanks. It's that simple. Yes. That's about the beta and switching between them. Yeah, I've not used the regular version for, I don't know how long now, but... Yeah, me neither. What about you, Aline? Well, as far, I was actually reading out G Albert's comment. And I know he's asked about this before, so that kind of threw me off. And remember, I turned my volume down really low. What about me? What? Are you an exclusive beta user, an experimenter, or are you a main? Yeah, remember I said, once I went beta, I never went back? You never went back? Oh, you did say that. They never went back. So, we're talking three years maybe, since I've been on the beta. Okay, so are you going to answer Albert's question? Because I have an answer to this too. Yeah, so I do run it on two Macs, actually. And you can sort of share between them. And it's, if you go into Ecamm Live, and then go into the Output menu, then there is an NDI Output option. And you can just select the sort of stream size that you want in there. So it's for 57, 20, or 1080. And if you've done that on any one of those Macs, then if you're on the other Mac, it will just show up as a camera feed. So you can just add that in as another camera. And it's basically showing exactly what's on the first Mac. So it is actually a great way to do stuff where you want to demo something on one, and you want to actually do all of the processing and heavy lifting off that one, but then just send the feed from that Ecamm over to the other Mac. And it just works as long as I'm on the same network. It works pretty flawlessly, that does. Yeah. The use case that I use that for, Alec, is I have a, I'm too cheap to buy another dock at the moment. So instead I use a whole nother computer so that I can plug in my iPad, use it as a basically a telestrator using a green screen. Yeah. And then I bring that entire feed over top into, into Ecamm. Yeah. And into the Ecamm from which I'm streaming. So, yes, I've done that. It feels super complicated and I'm a minimalist and I don't like all that extra fuss though. Yeah. But if you've got the stuff, it's, you know, if you've got it already then. Yeah. I prefer the setup where I start up NDI, HX Capture on my iPad, leave it wireless and then use that to bring my iPad as a camera over top of the Ecamm that I have just in my MacBook Pro. So that's, that's just keeping it simple, but I'm not sure if I love it. Yes, Caleb, CalDigit element for the win. That is definitely one. I was just saying that I, I already have a, I already have one dock. I just need one more USB-C port. Just one. Fascinating. Just one. Yeah. And I'm waiting for one. So it will come. It will come. I ordered, there was a Indiegogo Kickstarter project, one of those things for a dock that actually sits just underneath your MacBook, your 14-inch or 16-inch MacBook Pro. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. They look pretty good. Yeah. So I, I'm pretty sure dock also ordered one of those dock, ordered the dock and I ordered the dock. And it's shipping very, very soon. So I'm looking forward to that. And that should open up many, many ports for me. So I'm excited. Cool stuff. By the way, Richard just said that he also had audio switching from Rocaster to Ecamm audio during this stream, not sure if related to the beta or not. Have you just had this issue, by the way, since the beta or is it being a while that you've had this thing of it switching to Ecamm audio? I really should document things more often. I think, I think it's been happening to me. It feels like two weeks now. So it's not just this 3.10 beta. It's more than that. So, so I bet it's sound source. Right. Yeah, I got, I didn't keep it for very long. I found it was doing things to me that I, you know, I didn't like it, but the way it was switching things, or I should, I should take that back. I didn't take the time to actually learn how to use it enough to have it work for me. That's probably more, more accurate. There you go. My fishing boat river. Is that our friend? Is that our friend Dana? I think it is. Why has that not come off in my Ecamm list of questions? That's pretty funny. Oh yeah. You know what, Alec, you didn't respond to me on Facebook. And so I'm wondering if you saw my Facebook. I haven't got any Facebook comments in here. That's interesting. Let me have a little look. Oh gee, is Restream not being perfect today? What a surprise. That is a surprise, isn't it? Look at my surprise face. Yeah, I've always said that Restream was, you know, especially with Facebook comments. Right, right. It has always dropped those comments. So yeah. And to be fair, we could probably blame Facebook for that because Facebook is awful, which is why I don't use Restream and I don't use Facebook for my live streams. Everything goes into YouTube or it goes into my Discord. That's it. Well, typically I would use StreamYard and just the virtual cam of Ecamm and StreamYard is flawless. I tell you, it's flawless. Yeah. Okay.   Hashtag blame Zuckerberg. Yeah. Yeah. Totally fair. So real quick, here's what had happened. When I first started using, what happened? I signed up for Restream and it was always super buggy. And in fact, for years, every time somebody would put a comment in the Ecamm group, I would just say Restream is buggy. Restream is buggy. But in all fairness to them, they refunded my money right away. They were so super nice and super kind. So I never like did a video like bashing how buggy they were. So this year, well, not this year, but Black Friday that just passed, they sent this email and it almost seemed like it was just for me. They were like, we're much more stable now. I was like, okay. And it was on sale. And I was like, you know, really, yeah. So when I knew I wasn't going to buy any gear, but I said, I will buy some software this year. So I went on and I, I did it. Right. Guess what, y'all? I had money sitting in there from affiliate sales that was sitting in there for two years. So it really didn't cost me anything. That's good. Nice. That's good. So, um, Halbert's question is EL, EL MC and E cam product, third party. It's third party. So I, uh, it's a, um, it's an app, right? It's, it's, it's an app for your iPhone that allows you to control E cam. It's, it's a, basically an M MDI MIDI controller, but through an iOS interface. And if you think restream is buggy. No. Yeah. I used it for a hot minute. And then that was it. So, uh, stream deck is just for the, for the time that it takes you to diagnose or troubleshoot problems with something as essential as I want to press a button and I want this thing to work to me. I, I limped along with, uh, stream deck on my iPad or my iPhone for long enough. And then I was like, this was dumb. Why did I wait so long to get the hardware? Yeah. There you go. You know, I haven't seen a lot of these bots. Anyway. Yeah. It's been, it's been really bad just before Christmas. They got really, really bad. Oh, you did it. Okay. Yeah. It's funny about these messages not coming in. So I've seen, I saw Rob slip in, by the way, but say hello with any, he's correcting my pronunciation beta. No. He's correcting my pronunciation. Cause. All right. Okay. I'm very, I'm very moldable when I hear people speaking a certain way. I just start, I'm like Madonna when she moved to London started faking an accent. Yeah. That's me. Yeah. Now this is funny. So this is a, this comments come in, but it hasn't got the avatar, but the first comment, uh, didn't come in at all. So, uh, yeah, definitely some issues with the mainstream. Um, oh, fly fishing bow river. I have it in my YouTube comments. So Dana was here. Yeah. I can see it in there, but it's just not come up. And it didn't bring in the avatar of mine. Oh, hey, brother Phil as well. Hello Phil. Well friends, I have got to run, but Alec, I so appreciate you inviting me and letting me in the room. Oh, you're welcome at any time. You know that. And now I'm super moderator. Yay. You're coming for Paul Duncan. You're coming for Paul Duncan. Yeah. He's probably at the, um, event. Yeah. Cause he's a moderator there. Yeah. So hopefully that all access pass that I have, it won't take long for the, the recordings to be up because. Mm hmm. Most of the time I wasn't able to attend. I did catch a couple of different sessions though. One was really good today. But all right. So anyway, friends, I will see you in class. Thanks so much for having me. Have a great day. Nice to see you. I lead. Yeah. Stay beautiful. I'll try. I was about to say, what can we possibly do it any other way? What do you mean? Brother Phil's just asking what event. So it's the, uh, it's, uh, Laurier, uh, as event, which is, what's it called? Expand your reach. Elevate your reach. Elevate. Elevate. Oh, expand. No, you're right. I know it's. EYR. Um, There's a reason we refer to it by its acronym. Yeah. Uh, I know he comes a sponsor of it. So, uh, they're, they're there. And there's lots of other speakers. I've done that though, to be honest. I've just not had the time. Too many other things to be, uh, to be doing. Yeah. Yeah. Me either. But there you go. Um, Albert. Yes. I'm saying don't waste your time.  So. I look forward to you telling us in about six months that you wasted your time because you didn't do what I recommended. So see you in the future, sir. You can't, you can't beat the stream deck for just, uh, simplicity and like the hardware version of it. Do you know what? I've still, I got a loop deck. When was it before Christmas sometime? I have still not set it up. And I know that you tried it. And you were not a fan and sent it back. And you were not a fan. And you were not a fan. And you were not a fan. And you were not a fan. And you were not a fan. And you were not a fan and sent it back. My feeling is that there's just some friction there because it's just the interface is not as simple and straightforward.  I've been busy as well, but normally I would get a gadget and I'd be like, right, that's it. I'm making time. Yeah. But there's something about it that I haven't just gelled with and I've hardly looked into it. I do. The one thing I have done is I use the Photoshop profile to embiggen my little tools and things like that. But that's about it. It's like, why have I not just gone all in on it? I don't know. Absolutely. Yeah. The thing that I really struggled with was the, in comparison to the Elgato interface where you're just pulling the function onto the actual button, Luke Dex UI does not follow that in any way that I could discern. And maybe I didn't try hard enough, but I read lots of Effing manuals and watched a lot of video and I consider myself a decent learner and a decent researcher and could not figure that thing out. So I gave it the good two week try and then sent it back. And the product that I really am interested in, but absolutely do not have the budget for at this point on my priority list is the monogram consoles. Yeah. Because you and I have gone back and forth about that a little bit like, Oh, they're on sale this week. They're on sale that week. But it's not quite ready to make the plunge because they are quite, quite expensive. Yes. Yeah. They do look pretty. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't actually checked out. What's the interface like on those properly? You know, the actual software side of it. Yeah. They don't make that super obvious on their website. So I don't know if you want to pull that up. Feel free to take me off the screen or put me smaller, but have a look at that because it's got some of the similar ideas of the loop deck where it has actual tactile discs that you can, that you can sort of touch spin and you can, and dials that you can turn in the same fashion as the loop deck. But man, the white stuff looks so pretty and those sliders. Yo, those sliders. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. That to me would seem like a really great accompaniment to a stream deck. Because stream decks got all the buttons and this one's basically got all of the dials, the knobs, the sliders, all that sort of stuff. That's a really good point. Yeah. So, because that's the thing with the, I do much prefer, that one reservation I had about the loop deck was the touch screen was going to be hard to find the buttons, all that sort of stuff. I was wrong about that because, you know, it's not just one single screen. So, but they're still not anything like an actual clunky button on the loop deck. So, but I do like the dials as well. So, this in conjunction with a stream deck could well be the perfect. Yeah. The slider and the dial set, those two, just those two would be really cool. And as you can sort of see, like that, the website's really pretty and set up is that you can, you can order just individual pieces that work with your workflow.  Hey, are you into photography? You want this particular monogram package. So, it looks really good. I'll keep an eye on my Buy Me a Coffee account and if it somehow just like fills up one day, I'll use it to buy a monogram console. That's what I'll do. I'm just throwing that out in the universe. That's how you're supposed to do it, right? Say, hey, this could, this is a possibility in my life. You could put that out there as a goal, couldn't you? I definitely could. I actually just stick it up there. You definitely could. There you go. You do that. You should absolutely do that. Well, I actually put a goal as a ZVE 10 on mine and then they stopped producing it. I've, I think I've found a way to get one though. So, it may become a goal. Oh, okay. Then I thought. And how's that? How are you going to get your... Well, there is still stock. I was thinking that there was none because I couldn't find any in Thailand and then I looked on Amazon. They weren't on there, but apparently B&H you've got them and is it Best Buy? It's still got some stock or something like that. Okay. So, yeah. I wonder if Moose Land has any. Let me take a look. But I know my first hardware upgrade this year, whenever I get to that point is going to be a camera because I know that my camera is not fantastic. It's served me very well. And when I usually live stream, I'm live streaming in the middle of the day. So, I have lots of natural light that I take advantage of. It's not like this. So, right now it's coming up to 4 p.m. It's past 4 p.m. in my area. So, the sun is setting and I'm starting to have to turn on all my extra lights. Right. But when I stream to my audience who's all in Europe, I'm hitting them in the evening, but it's midday for me and I can get away with it. And then if I film a recorded video, I schedule my recording so that I'm doing it in the middle of the day. Right. Well, you always look great though. Thank you. Yeah. But that's me. That's not the Brio. Yeah, yeah, true. I'm just kidding. Yeah. So, I know that's coming up for me. I'm just taking my time and making sure that my budgetary priority is in the right order for that to happen. Sure, sure. Yeah. And Alba mentioned there's a $25 discount for the first order. There is on the monogram site. There's also, they do like quite large discounts sometimes as well. So, there was the Black Friday one where it was 25% off or something like that, I think. Something quite large. So, they do run off as it's definitely worth. Yeah, they had 15% off last week, I think. Right, right. I'm on their newsletter list because I'm just, who knows, one day it might pop up. But $25 off in Freedom Dollars off probably $600 to $700. I was just about to say I didn't mention the price, did I? Let me just go back and show what the price was. The price is, Alba, $25 off is kind of like almost an insult. Yeah. Actually, this one has got a, so there is a discount now, 499 down to 399. So, this is the Traveler Console, which is these three components. So, this one that's up at the top is basically kind of like, you have to have that one. And then every one of these is an add-on, but they make sort of little packages. So, Studio Console is 599, reduced to 499. And this one is, what's that? $1,099 reduced to 799. So, that is actually quite a, there is a discount on it already at the moment. Yes. Yeah, that's a lot more than $25 off. I don't know if you get the $25 off as well with your first order or not. A bit cheeky, really. But yeah, so, I mean, just looking at that, something like that, basically $800 with the discount, it's still quite pricey, isn't it, for some dials? Yeah.  So, it does depend, you know, it's certainly a justifiable expense for some. Yes. It's not for me at the moment. Yeah. That's the thing. When I get to the point with my video editing that the barrier to speed is the ability of my hands to execute commands rather than my brain to understand what it is that I'm looking to do, that's when I'm going to need some kind of, you know, controller like that. Right now, I'm still looking at projects saying, how do I make that look better again? What should I be? Color, how do I do? Again, it's all up here. It's all up here. Yeah. You need to develop your own skills with a tool first before you get more tools to help you with that tool. It's kind of the jam there. Oh, see you later, Rich. Unless I've missed you already. Yes, indeed. He's being sassy. He's being very sassy.  I know, but yeah. I know. Michael's saying about the Roland VR1 HD streaming mixer and switch it all in one. I've heard about that. Doc was talking about that the other day, actually, but I've not said it yet. Seradici Rimes with Peachy did a video comparing. Seradici Rimes with Peachy did. I just have to say it every time because it's so cute. Yeah, she did the ATEM. It was so funny because the video was titled and I hate it when people make videos like this and they title them. Live streaming, are you doing it wrong four different ways? And I'm like, oh, so she's going to talk about live streaming techniques. This is going to be very interesting for me as a live streamer. No, what she was saying is you're using the wrong tools. You should be putting your stuff through an ATEM mini. I was like, hmm, not a player. That's not what you were talking about before. So it was just released maybe two or three days ago. It'll be easy to find. And she compared the mini, the pro, and then she showed off the Roland. And by the time she got to this one, that's when I turned off her attention rate. Boom, bang! When I started my channel, I did actually look at the ATEMs. So before I discovered ECAM, I was going down the ATEM route. Although with hindsight, I'm not sure why. I was only still using one camera. So the whole point of it is that it's a camera switcher. But it was just a nice little bit of tech. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. When you're just starting out, you don't know what you need. And people start talking about the tools and you think, oh, do I need that? Do I need that? And you're sort of chasing down all these rabbit holes. You have to start producing the content first before you know what you need. The ATEM thing is just funny. In the ECAM group as well, when people say, oh, I've got multiple cameras. How do I connect them with ECAM? And there's always somebody who says, use an ATEM, which just basically just bypasses all of the functionality of ECAM. Yeah. There is that. There is that. It's nice to see you. Canadian security is a lot of made easy. Oh, thank you very much. As a fellow Canadian. I didn't even realize I changed it actually. Oh, yes. I do have a slightly different one, don't I? Maybe he hasn't seen you since you moved into your studio. It does. Oh, that background. I thought you would. Of course. Yeah, my actual real, my actual real-life background that I can go and touch. Thank you very much. I was looking at my scenes background. There you go. Yes. Rich. Still lots of work to do on the background. I say lots of work, still some work to do. I've still got to get my shelves and put them up when I've got time to go out and actually look for them. Yeah, I hear you. So what are you going to do? Are you going to put shelves right behind your head? Is that the plan? Yeah, that was the plan. I kind of had second thoughts about it because sometimes on Zoom calls and for business side of stuff, it's sometimes good to just have a completely plain background so people aren't distracted by looking in the background. And I did kind of mention that on one of my other live streams and everyone's like, oh, definitely shelves, definitely shelves. So yeah, I'm not so sure. Yeah, it's interesting. It's a matter of taste. And I think it depends because you do a lot of teaching, a lot of running of courses and things like that as do I. And there's a difference between when you're streaming just a regular conversational type content and your teaching and a workshop because for me when I'm teaching a structured class, there does need to be quite a bit of attention on the visuals. It's like, look at this clip that I'm showing you. Look at these words I'm showing you. Look at this page from the rule books. So I want a more plain background when I'm doing that. So I actually, this is my office, the second bedroom area. So I teach from in here, but I always live stream from out in my pretty great room I have art and practical lighting and all that kind of stuff. So I make that deliberate choice because it just sort of feels right when I look at things on screen. One thing I did think about doing, because I do have a need sometimes to use green screen as well. And so I've got like a little one that I can just put up, but I did think about getting that. And I know Rich uses, you know the, what do they call it? I'm completely losing my memory here. Where you have the big rollers of sort of using photography that sort of come down with it. So I thought of having a green one and then also a gray one. So I could still add the lighting, but it would basically come down sort of about a meter in front of everything at the back. So I could still have a completely plain one. Cause actually for zoom, I much prefer to have a totally plain, but with a light sort of that is just sort of, you know, standing me out from the background. Yeah. Yeah. Add some texture behind you. Yeah. So, so that's, that's what I might end up doing. And I like that idea for you. I really like that journey. I want to see that happen, to be honest. Yeah. I think that where I've got my acoustic panels, I've got kind of like a gap between them that I could have it literally almost like the full width of the room just come down. Yes. Why did I choose purple light versus another light? Well, it's a little bit of a homage to doc, but also it's the same that I was using it in my virtual background before, which was also to him. But that was blue and purple on either side as well. So I just kind of replicated it. Although I can do other colors.  So Canadian security is all made easy. CS. Yeah. CS L M E. I want to know how the roadcaster. I just quickly, it's, I can't remember it, but what is your name? Canadian security is all made easy because I do know it, but it's escaping me today for some reason. So I forgot as well. I'm going to guess David. Okay. But anyway, I want to, I want to know how the roadcaster pro changes the game for you because. Yeah. I'll just, I'll wait until I hear that answer back because I'm, I'm curious. I'm curious about what a solo streamer gets out of that instrument. I'll, I'll just chip in there with the, the roadcaster pro is also something that's been on my sort of wishlist since the start in terms of like, when I was thinking about all the things that I would get for the studio, but I've never been able to justify it to myself because of the solo streamer aspect. I've got one mic going into it and there's, you know, apart from, you know, perhaps like fading stuff in and out, although I don't have, you know, I can understand if you were doing a podcast where you were, you know, you wanted to sort of fade your music in and out and stuff like that. There is that element, but I don't do that. So I've never really seen the need for it for me personally. And obviously sound effects and stuff like that you can just, I can do on the stream deck. So not that I've got a really sound effect heavy show either. So. Yeah. And, uh, uh, David as I'll call sure that's not his name. I had a roadcaster pro for maybe six months, maybe eight months. And again, Alec and I have the same mic. We have, uh, mv sevens, sure mv sevens. And I, as I mentioned before, I'm a minimalist. I like to have as few tools as I need to do a great job on my stream and in my video creation. So when I started realizing that I had this big piece of hardware, very effective and very good that I was plugging one microphone into nobody was ever going to come over to my house and join me on my stream. And I was playing sound effects with it. And then I got a stream deck XL and I thought, wait, I can, I can trigger. As you mentioned, Alec, all my sound effects on my stream deck. I went on a Facebook live in LGL and I tested my mv seven with or without the roadcaster pro. So I had an XLR cable and then I had the USB cable going into the computer or the doc. And I would just switch back and forth from those two inputs on the fly. And everybody said that I sounded better without the roadcaster pro. Interesting. And then I, for me, I was like, okay, selling this thing next day. I packaged it up and I did, I did sell it. And I have not looked back. There has not been a single moment where I thought, ooh, there's some functionality I really wish I still had. Yeah. Kevin's saying as a podcast creator, the ability to have multiple inputs, I totally get all that. It's obviously if you do it for that and you can obviously record on it as well. I understand. So you can actually record your thing on there and add, does that add timestamps or things like that? Or it gives an output so that you can add in things like that on the roadcaster or I would just totally talk in nonsense now. It could be, you can, you can record directly onto it because the SD slot for sure, which is a nice and probably very important feature to control multiple input in one device to get the multiple components. It was actually less money. So I think he means for like, you know, to, to, as a podcast creator, if you've got multiple different inputs and then recording device and all those sorts of things, perhaps, but I get it. I get it for people who aren't just like me solo, like solo live streamers, not really doing anything with music as well, but solo video creators. Yeah. It's still on my list though. I haven't, I haven't actually got to the extent of like going, don't need it. It's still. I would not judge you for buying one and trying it out for sure. Yeah. But just got to say hello to Aubrey popping in. Absolutely. Good to see you. Hey girl. Hey, sorry, but we got really distracted off the, the beta. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Oh yeah. We have gone way off the beta, aren't we? And just quickly, Jeff is saying, have I made the background lighter? I don't know if I have made it. I don't think I've changed the color tone. I did put the, the lights around the acoustic panel. So that may have just given it more light. But yeah. I think so.  Yes. Behind your, yourself. Yes. Which is a touch I love. That sale might still be going on, by the way, the, the power. Yeah, they're on sale. Yeah. 25% off. The link is in Doc's discord. So if you don't know what we're talking about with Doc's discord, let me know. I can send an invite. To the community. I'm just thinking now, because I was used to, I was used to mention Doc. I mean, I've got an overlay for it for, uh, uh, people got a button on my stream deck for it. Oh, hang on a minute. I've moved my overlays around. I've got the actual full thing, but I don't want to send people to find me a coffee now. Where's the best place to send them? Or is he not set up the, uh, use screen yet? Um, I don't know. He hasn't, I'll bug him tonight. He's been busy in the sponsor room at the U. Y. R. I think that's been a big, a big chunk or commitment. Uh-huh. Um, but yeah, the discord is great after my slightly, uh, reluctant nature initially. Uh, it's just a matter of getting over there really, isn't it? It is. It is. You just kind of have to throw yourself in and then you realize actually this is very intuitive. It's got many of the same, uh, UI features that you see in Facebook or Instagram or, you know, all of these places that we've been fully socialized and conditioned to. You combine that with zoom and then you've, you've basically got what discord in terms of your skills of knowing how to use it. So just thinking and comparing it to the LGL, the let's get live Facebook group, um, hasn't there been just so much more interactivity between people already than there ever was there? Cause that's just like a stream of consciousness as opposed to discreet conversations. Yeah. And, and that is one of the criticisms that you can level against the discord servers that can get overwhelming because it does tend to be just a bulletin board, but there are ways that you can sort of train people to either use threads or use the appropriate channels for those conversations. And the one thing that you've gotten discord that you don't get anywhere else is search ability. And we're going to have to really start training people that, Hey, you have a question about this thing. Why don't you pop in the search terms, E cam beta in the search bar in discord and you will see every instance that it was. Now, if you want to see every time that Alec talked about E cam beta, boom, add that into the search bar and you're going to be able to find everything you need to know. So that is something you don't get in Facebook. The searching groups is just horrible, horrible. Yeah. So there you go. Still getting into discord. Well, it's like, Holy sure. Just take it a little, little while. Yeah, go ahead. Cory's just like, I need to get in the back. Of course, gotta go to work. So Mr. Sir. Mr. Sir is getting ready.  What a surprise. Just a casual interruption.  Jim says, Tascam mixed cast for that's the one that's looks as if it's almost got the same port arrangement as the road caster. Is that the one? Yeah, it looks like it is a road caster pro with just a slightly different coat of paint on it. So it could come from the very same factor even and maybe the exclusive fabrication license. Has expired at that factory and now Tascam is swooping in and saying here, we will give you money to produce this and put our name on it now. So yeah, let us know, let us know how it goes. Jim discord training sounds like a good topic for class. Would be quite a good thing to go over a little bit of an orientation video. I've been officially banned from making any tutorial style videos on discord.  They are going to come from me. So I already have a channel name. I have, I'm starting to put together the plan, but I'm trying not to do any of that until tomorrow because I have theme days to keep me productive. Today is supposed to be scheduling and marketing. How's that working out for me on a Friday? Not very well, but tomorrow was learning day and Sunday is planning day. So Sunday I can work on my new discord YouTube channel idea. But yes, I've been trying to say disciplined on things like video editing and such. It's not been a good week for that. So, but you're absolutely right. A lot of it, Jim is just getting in there and pressing buttons and breaking things. I, I, that is how all of my learning basically happened. And the only times I started asking questions. So in my own discord server that I've had for, I guess, eight months now, nine months, I have a developer. I have two developers who are young Dutch kids who were the reasons that I got into this world in the first place. So if, if I can't find a button to push and break stuff with, that's when I go to them. Oh, I do a Google search first. And then I go to them and say, there's this thing I want to try doing. What do you think? And they're like, Oh, okay, we'll work on it. And then I realized it's actually something more complicated. But honestly, Jim, just start, start pressing some buttons. Just go ahead. You're good at breaking things. Fantastic. An LGL request, perhaps. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, just a really brief thing of like where to find things in that. I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty intuitive. I say that, but you know, people are new to the world. I mean, it's just like a little, more than a overview of discord, like a little orientation video of, or, you know, in class or whatever, just a quick thing of this is where stuff is. This is what these things are for. So like there's the creator channels, for example, which is, you know, for cooking creators, sports creators, things like that. But it's just getting the message across that that is for discussion, discussing the creation of content on those topics, as well as what we're all cooking. Exactly. What are you eating today? This is an Instagram, friends, not Instagram. So yeah, a little orientation about that. It made me a good idea. And that's great feedback. And we'll put that in front of Doc for sure. And you put that in front of Doc and then we'll get that done. We are moving over to discord, Jim. It is happening. It is happening. It's better over there. The future's brighter over there. It is. The grass. So green. So green. Well, we have gone quite far off topic really. Have you got any specific things that you would like to see in e-cam, by the way? Any features or feature requests or things like that? Because I work so heavily with video inside of my streams, anything that allows me to more easily control that video is going to be something I want. So one of the things I struggle with when I am showing video on my live streams, I like to have discrete controls that allow me to go back and forth.  And then you're on your e-cam window and you're trying to find the control. Yeah. And if you have multiple video over lays or different screen share overlays and controls pop up and you're, oh wait, which one is this? Which one is this? Oh, can I find it? And you just feel quite clumsy and not very confident. So I would like to have controls that I can access perhaps for program into a stream deck that allow me to pause, scroll back two seconds, scroll back five seconds, you know, that sort of thing, which is probably very niche. There's not probably a lot of people who are using e-cam the way that I do, but I don't know, maybe I'll just send a really nice bottle of whiskey to the two guys and see what happens. You never know. Well, I mean, you say it's not, it's not that niche is it really wanting just to be able to control things a little bit easier. And I'm sure if you're doing it, there's probably is other people who are doing something similar. And it's sometimes those things of they're not necessarily difficult to implement. Some things might sound complex, but aren't. And other things might sound easy and aren't, but they're, you know, it's the, I do love the responsiveness of them.  Yeah. Ridiculous. And somebody was asking just in the beta group the other day about the file names. So all the file names come in as a just whatever it is, e-cam live recording and then the date, the ability to actually give those custom names in the preferences. But then have that as well. The thing that I added to that was have it on a profile by profile basis so that if you have different names per profile, then that would help things a lot as well. Oh, I love that idea. I am here for that journey. Oh man. Because yes, always we're going back and we're finding our file and putting it into our production folder and blah, blah, blah, blah, just those extra steps. I know we could probably program Hazel to do a lot of that for us. Yeah, I mean I have one that some shortcuts that I used to do that, but at the same time they still all come out of e-cam with that same naming convention. So if I've done some recordings on this channel, but then I've done some for my other work stuff, they're all just in a list and so yeah, having something to differentiate them would be definitely be useful. Yeah. The other thing I'd like is with text overlays. Text overlays are brilliant. I know you can do loads of stuff with them. Anna and Fulgians on building blocks and in ENN in the group do amazing things with them. It is true you can do all that stuff with them, but I still find them a little bit fiddly. The sort of behavior of text overlays. Yes, it's the background isn't it? It's the background. It's the background. And trying to size it. Let's be honest. It's the background. It's the background. It's the borders and it's the rounded corners because in all of the other overlays you can specify I want the border thickness is this. I want the corner radius as this. And you could get the same on a camera overlay and on a screen share overlay, but with text overlays you can't see what the size of it is and also as you scale the text, those things seem to scale. So you can't know when you're setting it up that the border is going to be exactly the same as the camera overlay or anything like that. And I wonder if those two things related because if you can't numerically specify an absolute value for the border of a text overlay and you expand and it changes, maybe it's because it's relational and that's the whole thing. Interesting. But you would, I mean if you think about, I'm not just going to say they do it this way in another app, but if you think about that, if you've set the border radius and the border thickness and then you expand the size of the shape, those things stay the same. So you always do keep the same radius. So that's the, that's, that's another little thing that I'd like to see that would make it easier for me to work with text overlays. And number of pixels. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. That's, that's a really good suggestion, but all the file name stuff. I like that a lot. I like that a lot. And why, why does the SRT file go externally? Why is it saved externally instead of inside the same folder that the main audio and all your ISOs are all saved? Have you noticed that? You've not. You must have noticed that. Save that again. Where's it stored? Okay.  But the SRT file gets saved in the parent directory. Ah, do you know what? I'd never noticed that because I don't save out separate audio tracks because I'm just basically not editing or anything like that. But yeah, that is weird. Drives me nuts. Drives me nuts. Because I end up taking the folder and I put it into whatever working folder it's going to be going into the project folder. And then a month later I've got a pile of SRT files and because of the naming convention, yes, I can track them all down. But I've already changed the folder names. So I'm like, okay, that day what stream did I do? And I'm trying to track down do I not? Oh my gosh, it just drives me crazy. That's one of my little bug bears that maybe I'm the only person in the universe that has this as a little thing, but I would like that to go into the folder. That would make total sense. Yeah, it would. There has to be a rationale for it. There has to be a reason and maybe it's because it gets produced afterwards. I guess I don't know. I don't know the reason why either. Okay. Yeah, I'm just I'm waiting for somebody in the comments to go, yeah, Keely and I don't see it yet. So I'm pouting. I'm going to sit here and pout until somebody agrees with me. Have you asked that in the beta group at all? No, I haven't. It's a really it's a really good one that is to be honest. Perfectly logical to me. You never know.  I've always wondered that myself. Okay, I'm going to type it and say and Alec made me say this. Yeah, cool. Another thing that I'd like speaking of back to overlays is with image overlays being able to add the border to those corner radius potentially. I don't know if that would be more tricky or not, but at least adding a border would be useful. Yes, kind of like the one. And option drag. So you can trim it in there instead of having to trim elsewhere. Yep. You can do that with images. You can do option drag to crop them. By the way, I did not know that I did it just. Can you show us how that works? I can. I did it with them. This one. So this one is the image that I dragged in and I can just crop the edges. Right. Hmm. So you can do that, but yeah, what you can't do is then say I want a border on this now. Right. Yeah, that would make it look a lot prettier. Especially when you can put so many borders around everything else. Now you just have this one element that you can't. So it's standing out now. It's looking a little raw. I'm going to take that into an external program just to make it look right with everything else. Yeah. I agree. A very good point from Kevin just saying that if we did a discord we, like I've got rights to do this, doing the little discord walkthrough for the LGL group, having it rather than doing it in office hours, having it is like a little video in the actual discord thing itself would be useful for people who aren't attending the office hours. Right. Well, we could do a regular voice channel and regular hours, couple days a week, newcomers come in here at these times. Yeah, I'll run that by dock and see if he'd like maybe me to do that because that would be I would appreciate that experience in showing people how discord works. I'll set that up. That's a really good suggestion. Love that. Discord info please says Jeff Hawkins. Yeah. Bye Michael. Great to see you. Great to see you as always. And great guests, of course. I'm a great guest. Or am I great guest? And Eileen as well. But I've decided I'm going to refer to myself in the plural now as great guests. Oh, I've just seen Jeff's. He just said wrong button on loop deck and went live for two hours. Oops. Oh dear. Well, even Doc did that. He was talking today in the Ecamm live demo that he pressed the wrong button and he was editing an Ecamm marketing video for quite some time for a whole bunch of viewers and he didn't know because he had Final Cut Pro and he didn't know what was happening behind it. That's hilarious. That is funny. He said that Devin was there and who else did he say anyway? He named a bunch of people that were just watching him work silently, hopefully silently. Hopefully nothing weird was happening. Albert saying do we want Doc Rock's link to Discord that he posted on January the 8th when he hosted? I don't know. I would ask Doc's permission on that. Just in case because this is a different environment Albert than Yeah. Good point. Transparent border radius for images definitely, I'm all about that. And Orbs is, I think she's referring to the Discord training as well. Orbs will be there. She's just referring to me. She's just wherever I'm going to be. I'll be there. That's right. That was life of 15 minutes. Oh, it was only 15 minutes. He made it sound like it was 2 hours which is just hilarious. Well, 15 minutes when it's completely unscheduled and you don't know anyone's watching is I mean you can embarrass yourself in a minute, can't you? You can.  Devastating. Oh my god, is there another spammer? They were all out today. I'm very popular. Dean has got it. Are we still having a meeting tomorrow with the LGL group? Yeah. It's the day. Yes, exactly. The time might be a little shifted Albert but we have to let Doc send out the notices on that everywhere. That's a great comment. That's why I love Bob so much. Not mad. Kevin apparently was trying to let Doc know but you figured it out. Yeah, Kevin he did mention your name and that was very funny. Very funny. So what have you got planned for the week? Or next week I should say because we're at the end of this week, aren't we? Oh goodness. I am repurposing content from the Wednesday stream. You know I had a whole bunch of goals for the week and I knew exactly what I was going to be doing with every day and then in my world, big bombshell dropped. This is kind of the equivalent of a whole new version of a software being dropped on all of you. I had a new book get dropped out of the blue secret release not even published on the International Federation's website so it was kind of an opportunity not to break-break the story but to get out and get my message and my interpretation out there in the community and kind of try to set the tone. So now that I had the live stream it was very successful. I was really happy with how it went. I need to pull out some salient pieces and I need to spray them all over my social media everywhere. So that's my big priority for the coming few days for sure and working on my new Discord YouTube channel. Lots of people waiting for it. I know, I know. I love this. It's sort of building up and building up and I don't know how long I can hold you back Alec but I'm going to keep trying. You have a Zoom class, sir. I've got I've got enough on my plate already. Exactly, exactly. So that's going to be your big plan, right? For the week? Yeah, definitely. Definitely got to get that out by the end of the week. Yeah. How many hours do you figure that you have that you've put into this because I think it would be interesting for people designing their own courses or thinking about doing that for their communities to understand how much work you put in and what phases. Yeah, yeah. That's a hard one to quantify. Certainly not much in the last week or two. But I did start before Christmas sort of when was it? End of November or something like that. My plan was to in the run up to it just sort of share weekly what I'd done on it in that week but then it all kind of got lost with the stuff that happened over Christmas and that and so I kind of lost the way with that a little bit but I was thinking of doing a kind of I suppose a bit of a workshop around how to actually create the course and so I shared with on my live streams previously about the sort of setup steps that were required so just things like setting up the domain, setting up the email automation stuff like that all the funnels and things like that. So I'll definitely put that into some more usable form where it sort of lists almost like a checklist of these sort of steps to go through. Exactly. I'm pretty much left with just like I still just got some of the videos to make but I've got all of the you know the actual platforms all set up all the areas for things to go in it's just a case of I've just got a few videos that I've just got to record and I purposely left all of that to the end because that's the bit that now I'm more comfortable with actually doing that just actually standing you know creating the content the bit that I knew that would be a potential bottleneck was not a bottleneck but there was room for error or room for setbacks would be with things like you know technical issues getting all the automation setup getting the funnel setup and all that sort of stuff. Those were the things where I could see like I might run into little hiccups and things like that so I left all of the recording as the last step of it and then I've just not had the time to do the recording. That's a really good perspective because what you've done is you've eaten the frog you've done the hardest thing first and probably the stuff that gets a lot of people down is the oh I don't know how to set up a funnel this is going to be hard and then you delay delay procrastinate you do other things so yes yeah that's that's a really really effective way to go about doing things and I should do that more often. Yeah do the hard thing first Yeah unfortunately for me video editing is my hard thing but you can't do that before everything else because you have to produce the video first. You have to script it. The problem with that idea yeah. I know I know so I'm clotting that but maybe I just need to hire somebody there you go Albert you just subscribe to my page and you want to learn more about Discord is that the place to go to Cabitz so what I'm doing Albert is I will be setting up a whole separate presence for all of that for content creators in terms of using Discord within LGL I will be giving help within LGL once I just clear it with doc and make sure that it's cool so so don't you worry about that we will schedule some regular voice channels so that I can give that kind of distance at the right time I think that makes sense and voice channels also have video just to be clear about that Yes exactly I would like to call them AV channels or just I don't know what would you call them live channels live channels yeah live channels would work it is quite a misnomer that really isn't it oh hugely and that's probably because back in 2015 sure sure yeah yeah and then they went oh look we can add video later on gamers let's go and then they had fun with that and never thought to change the name because they're gamers I don't know like 99 problems naming our channels is not one of them so I think I've missed him now but good night Jeff I guess I've missed you already but I do appreciate him staying up it's nearly midnight in the UK yeah exactly Kevin Cox is backing me up on the plausible theory that it was the voice first pretty sure I'll find a history of discord video and I'll look at it someday just not this day Satan not this day I've got other things to do yeah Jim that's my secret just don't edit that's how I get around the editing issue oh my goodness that was interesting too Al because we were talking to Rich about this because he I think he's gone he signed off but your approach of doing a one take video which you know maybe isn't quite one take I'm not busting on your secrets but it's not an easy skill and I was I was interested in finding out more from you at some point about how how much practice training and what kind of skill stacking you need to do in order to be at the point where you can do what you've done on your channel here on Take One Tech in all of these one take videos because you make it look so easy but it's not I know it's not because I couldn't do that so have you ever put some thought into how much time and what kind of skills you practiced in order to be able to teach someone how to use a certain feature on a piece of software in one take like that it is a tricky question that is originally actually I was going to call the channel one take tech because the videos are all done in one take or pretty much all done in one take the thing is it's not always the first take because it's actually the start of it is the part which I often just totally fluff so the bit at the beginning where I say this videos for you if X, Y and Z that little thing is the bit that to me sounds totally unnatural as a way of speaking because I always think when I'm doing my videos that I'm speaking to somebody and so I'm explaining to you know whoever it is could be my dad could be my kids could be a friend you know this is how to do X, Y and Z I would never you know approach them and say this videos for you if you know and so that bit I always just roll straight into it without really giving it a huge amount of thought because I don't give a lot of it a huge amount of thought in the first place in terms of structuring it all out so I often just roll into it and just completely fluff like the initial sort of the hook that you've got to give like before the intro so I've got a little button on my stream that which basically just resets everything so the little bit of intro music I've got it stops that it presses the go live button twice the record button twice on e-cam because the first one ends the recording and the second one dismisses the little pop-up that you get on e-cam so that button basically resets the scene to just try it again so I'll often it's sometimes the first one it's usually more likely the second one but occasionally like the third or the fourth is when I just actually it comes out coherently so it's one take but maybe it's actually on like the third or fourth that I've actually got the intro once I actually get into it I don't you know I don't normally get like halfway through and think that's a load of rubbish I'll go and do it again but because that's where I'm just actually talking about the thing so to say I don't really do any planning about it I don't go through and write a script or anything like that I don't make bullet points normally if I'm doing something like the e-cam software update I'll definitely have bullet points for that because I want to make sure I get all the features but if I'm talking about a bit of software I don't but I regularly realise after the fact that there's something I missed out that I probably should have said or something extra that I would have put in and if I was editing it I would go back and think right I've got to recreate this exact point so that I can go and re-record this little snippet to put it back in and that's why the one take thing is so liberating because sometimes you do miss things out just like when you're telling your friend how to do something you miss something out in telling them that and then you go back after the fact and say oh by the way there's this other thing I mean the video that I did about Speedify when I first did a video about that I released a video the next day with just a big thing that said I forgot to tell you about dot dot dot because there was some like major part of it that I completely left out and so I thought well I'll just make another video about it then instead and that's I think that's a nice tip for content creators out there who are thinking I need to be perfect and get everything right in this one video I was having this conversation with Dina I'm not sure she's still around but she was showing how to she did a great video it's either out now or it's going to come up soon showing how to create a pisco sour cocktail and then after she finished it showed to me and I was like oh my god that's gorgeous it's beautiful like this is great get that out there and she said oh but I learned something about how you want to shake the egg without ice first and then you put the ice in after the egg is already fully emulsified or whatever the term is and I said dude don't touch that video don't touch that video do another one that adds this new technique now you've got a series here I'm learning how to perfect a pisco sour here's my next step oh and here's a tip about the lime and here's a tip about this thing I was like that's dope because if somebody watches the first video the algorithm is going to encourage them they're going to be more likely to see the next video and then the next video in the same series and now you have that chain of somebody who's going to binge your content on that subject because they're like oh wait that was a great pisco sour I can make it better tell me more Dina and they'll be watching the whole thing so I think that's something that we can keep in mind is that the mistakes don't create a flaw in your profession they create an opportunity to get them going another one I did exactly the same thing as that was with the foot pedals that I'd got set up and I used carabiner elements to assign the keystrokes of the foot pedals to a different keystroke and then I went into keyboard maestro to assign those to shortcuts and then somebody just commented and said well you don't actually need carabiner elements because you can just do it keyboard maestro can actually have the input that you've got and you can do it all within there and that was something I just didn't know so then I made a video about that one as well perfect I hope that I don't come across in the videos it's like oh I know everything the whole point is that I don't and I'm just on a journey and trying to share whatever it is that I've learnt along the way yeah absolutely I just think we all put each other on a pedestal when we see each other's products that we put out and don't realize how many how many instances or how many parts of those creations we are self-critical of and that we would want to be better and that means that when those creators are doing their own thing they think oh I'm not as good as Alec I'm not as good as Keely I don't stream like her I don't do my things in one take and that kind of ties back to the conversation with Rich because he was he was being really hard on himself that he wasn't able to do a six minute video in one take the very first time he tried to do it and Kevin made the comment he said I think the big key is the research and the knowledge is there and that part comes naturally it does but Alec you have a big set of skills about you've been teaching for a long time you've been doing zoom instruction for a long time this is not your first time at this rodeo so you've built up these skills already with lots of repetitions and now you're blending it into this world yeah and some like public speaking on stages as well and so that comes in with there's always some stuff that can go wrong there and that's the same you'll see me like fluff my lines or lines like I've got them written down but you know what I mean the thing that I'm talking about if I'm talking about a bit of software it doesn't work properly or I'm regularly opening up the wrong window and things like that so yeah just one second yeah no problem I'll carry this so while Alec is probably doing something with oh dear I can hear it yeah I think that's an important point that it's about practicing those skills in all kind of environments and recognize the art of all those skills that's not just if somebody has just been live streaming for three days I just did my little boy come to the door and he was crying outside but my wife's there with him so okay we didn't hear him at all no I wasn't worried about that I was more worried if he was alright oh I'm glad so he's okay he's okay just making the point that you've done a lot of practicing of those skills in other environments and it comes over here so and just like Doc talks about how not only has he live streamed six days a week for how many years now he had years of DJing he had years of being on podcasts and all of these other settings where he was speaking presenting his information being entertaining feeling comfortable all those things I have a long history of teaching umpiring courses I have done quite a bit of public speaking prior to this time I spoke at legal technology conferences and did all that kind of stuff my legal training got me out and into a courtroom where I had to present an argument to a judge and try not to get thrown out so all of these skills stack into what we're producing now and we should be gentle on ourselves if we don't have that background and look at it as here's my opportunity to build those skills now and that's okay what you said earlier about being self critical as well is like if people do make mistakes like in the flow of it it's kind of understanding that people don't really mind in any case it does come across as more personal I remember when I was looking at doing the YouTube channel then you know there are all these people who will tell you about the best ways to like go down the editing route I hate the idea of these like jump cuts they're called where you're basically overlapping stuff so there's no gaps between any words whatsoever hold people's attention it's just all the time I personally find those sorts of videos so tiring to watch like as a viewer I'm sure they do it's a bit similar to sales funnels like there is a way that you can do it that is a method that you're going to get the maximum return on investment for your ad dollar or whatever and I think it's a bit like that with videos there's ways that you can make videos that are going to keep people watching them all the time but I just find them tiring to watch so that's why I'm kind of like the antithesis of that type of video but people do I think are very sort of forgiving of little minor slip ups and mistakes that people make whereas as the person doing it it's very easy to just get sort of suddenly caught up and distracted by what you you know by the little mistake like oh no I said this and I should have said that and it's like it can actually really be if you let it it can I understand for people be something that is like you know distract you for the rest of the video but just understanding that you know if you're with a group of friends and you're talking to them and you say the wrong word and correct yourself and carry on you don't spend the rest of the conversation saying oh my god I just said the wrong thing what's going to happen exactly would you say that's one of the most challenging challenges that you've ever had is the ability to just brush by your mistakes to make it and just to keep moving on is that something that you definitely yeah yeah so yeah just imagine that you're speaking with a friend and you're just having a conversation with somebody and uh easier said than done I know but it's it's definitely that yeah yeah I liken that to umpiring because we are in the midst of a game we're on the pitch and because we're human and one of the biggest things that I need to help umpires with getting over is parking just putting aside that mistake that they've made and I have a variety of tricks that I use techniques to help an umpire get over that but really mistakes can compound on themselves if you dwell on it and so in a live streamer or we take one kind of video production dwelling on it by revisiting it and talking about it is exactly compounding the mistake and so I really vibe with that and I really appreciate that as being a challenge for sure because you you feel like you want to be honest about it and just say hey guys I recognize I just made a mistake let's talk about it no people don't care they actually don't want to hear about your humility they want to hear the information that you're there to talk to them about so very cool yeah this is jeff has said self criticism can be a a barrier to youtube content creation even if you have a lot of teaching and speaking experience it can is a different thing you know being in front of a camera as opposed to sometimes being in front of you know a live audience be it they are on zoom or you're on a stage or wherever it is or in a classroom or whatever you've got that sort of interaction with them whereas there is something a little bit weird looking into the camera that were you know the certainly the first time I did my like my first video on youtube was also my first live stream and that was a bit weird just sort of me streaming to nobody because I didn't have any subscribers at that point that is that does is a little bit of a stranger feeling so I get it is a different it is a different sort of environment to to yeah in person teaching and things like that absolutely yeah dina your style obviously that that shows that that shines through that you literally have people pulling up a seat to your counter and we're all talking in your kitchen and that's why the vibe is so great broken link podcast you were on docs ecam live q&a earlier today and you asked the same question so my question back to you is what did you not get answered there that we can help you with because doc gave you an answer that was pretty thorough but if there's something that was missed please let us know and just come back in the comments on that yeah it is just an apple dongle it's just a cable yeah just plug it in you can do it maybe it could have been slightly clearer I don't think so but there we go it is just this cable thunderbolt to hdmi would do it now I'm not finding it actually that's what it is thunderbolt to hdmi cable will just plug straight in and you can just plug a monitor in directly yeah or it could be disway ported depends on what the monitor outputs are but very likely has an hdmi you've been doing great though with cracking your 100th stream just not too long ago great growing not a girl lots of great info here doing personalized videos on loom for clients help me move to youtube much easier yeah doing demonstrations on things like that it's yeah that's definitely that's fascinating that's a nice little way to practice your skill in a slightly different setting that's really really cool I mean a lot of what I've done is similar to that as well I would always be making little videos showing people how to do stuff on their computers and stuff like that so that's come back to the software demos that I do on my channel is very similar to that as well okay tried the cable but I never see the output on the other screen I'm sorry for being no problem at all um so if you've got the cable plugged into your thunderbolt but never see the output on the other screen I'd like to know what is on the other screen if anything is it black or is there something yeah do I use talking specifically about ecam is that the point you're trying to run ecam on the other screen just thinking ahead if that is the case then what you want to do with the ecam is if you go to the output menu then there is video monitor and you can select to send that to the second monitor so for example I've got my ecam live running on my main computer or my main screen but then I've also got a teleprompter that's got a little monitor here so that I can look into the screen but can still see everything so I have my ecam feed going out to that so I don't know if you are talking about your ecam going out to that monitor as a second as a you know so you can see the program output if that is what you're talking about then yeah just in ecam go to output video monitor and then select the the monitor will just be there in the list yep exactly there might be some display settings and system preferences that you need to look at if you're on a Mac I assume you're pardon me the broken link podcast is on a Mac because they were asking ecam questions so there you go that's it okay great thanks let's hope we've got it what's your name by the way so that I don't keep calling you broken link podcast it's always nice to know people's names and I'm saying goes for you win the house you love win the house you love we never got Canadian security law made easy's name and I'm disappointed I do know him but I can't remember his name offhand it's David it's gonna be David and entrenched in my memory now because I've just created that you've actually ingrained that in my mind as well these are the days I know nice to meet you cool stuff well I think it is almost time for me to actually sign oh Kyle great to see you as well Kyle I'll remember these he says having just explained how I forgot somebody else's I'll definitely try and get that embedded into my mind for next time though exactly oh so do I have the second monitor set up as an extended display it might be set up as a duplicate that is another option yeah if if one if I don't know if that solved your problem if it was the e-cam output that you were trying to trying to do but yeah Jeff's made a good point that it could be the you can have in Mac you can have outputs either as a mirror of the original display or as a second display so it could be that as well but it sounded like we might have actually got to the nub of it we'll see and all of that that Alec was just talking about is under system preferences displays and you can then sort out whether you're mirrored or you're not and what the backgrounds are and it's that's a nice little that applet is a great way to sort of figure out where physically your monitors are and how to drag content from each monitor back and forth I feel like I spent a lot of time there higher edgy tech is named Greg great to meet you sorry Greg I know that I'm getting mixed up with the Jeffs that are in the in the chat there you go too big a pardon Greg I knew that so there we go having screwed up everyone's names and asking for the names of people I don't know and we'll probably mess those up next week as well and Valerie P just pops in right at the end great to you Valerie yeah and Valerie is this is something that you need to do is you need to you need to be in this chair right here okay next time Alec goes live you're going to come on and the two of you are going to talk about music and e-cam streaming and and something something something you don't worry it'll come to you when it happens because you need to get in this chair do you understand me that's what I'm saying I'm bullying you into this it works with some people and there you go don't worry Valerie Siri gets my name wrong for me as well so and mine and we're getting everyone's name wrong today so don't worry about it welcome to the club perfect cool stuff well it is about time for me to get off but thank you very much for coming on and saying well I was going to say coming on and saying hello but coming on and having a great conversation so thanks a lot yeah thank you very much for having me it's always nice to be able to chat with you and I always learned so much so I know everybody in the community loves everything that you're contributing so yeah thank you being you Alec well thank you everyone else for coming here as well it's been great chatting with everybody and yeah big fun Greg too many G's in the group today with Greg and Greg and Jeff cool stuff alright I will catch you a little bit later Keely no doubt in the discord fantastic you've got good to see you all in the comments whoops Daisy I was a bit trigger happy there on my stream deck look at that I'm back bye everyone okie dokie thank you everybody for stopping by and having a chat do you know what I didn't really think I've got much to talk about today but then it's always the same isn't it those days of the time when it turns into a longer marathon session so great to see everyone thank you all for coming new people and familiar faces as well and I look forward to seeing you all on YouTube somewhere soon and I'll see obviously quite a few of you at Doc's office hours tomorrow in fact so have a great day everyone and for those watching on the replay I'll leave a link to some other great videos coming up so don't you go anywhere and I'll speak to you all again very soon