Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season 2 episode 25 and right on cue. Mr. Paul Gale Network appears. All right. How's it going, buddy? Welcome. What have you been playing lately? Let's just go around the board right now. It's just a good segue. Paul Gale Networks here. What have you been playing lately? The Legend of Zelda, Tears of the Kingdom and purposely memorable to beat the game. So clocking in and just under 175 hours I beat Tears of the Kingdom, nowhere near 100%ing it. You know, actually small spoiler. After you beat the game, you do get what percentage you are and I'm like 53%. So there's plenty more to do. I've got like 150 Koroks, 31 hearts. You know, pretty good amount of the game. Still gonna play more of it, but you know, even after I beat it, I've been still enjoying that. So that game and Street Fighter 6 because I'm a, you know, big Street Fighter fan. So those have been my main two the last week, couple weeks even. Yeah. Good stuff. There we go. There we go. I guess we'll just go right next to you. Mr. Daren. How's it going? Good. Good. Yeah. I also beat Tears of the Kingdom over the weekend. I said I was going to do all the shrines first. I had a lot of side quests to do, but I really didn't want to get spoiled on my curiosity to how the game ended. Just got to me. So I decided to screw it. I'm just going to complete the main quest now and do the rest afterwards. So I did. It was awesome. And I've also been playing quite a bit of Diablo 4 still, leveling up my Necromancer there. So nice, man. Nice. Nick with no K. How's going? It's going good. I'm still getting over. I was sick over the weekend, so I didn't have a ton of time to play video games, but I am still playing Tears of the Kingdom. I'm trying to get my depth map finished, which is I'm almost there. I'd say I'm like 75% of the way there. So I've been doing that, upgrading my batteries, that kind of stuff. So just still enjoying Zelda. Nice. All right. Some donation. Welcome back. It has been a while, but you came to the right show. It sure has. And I'm pumped for it. Like I messaged you, man. I got off work today. I was like, it's Direct Day. Let's go. So let's do the podcast too. And I'm excited to be here. For me, it's like we're all Nintendo gamers here or something. I'm also playing Tears of the Kingdom. And that's about all that I've been playing since it came out. But I'm in a different boat. I'm stopping myself from beating the game, even though I am worried about spoilers. I'm right at where I can, but I haven't done it yet. And I'm hunting down. I'm trying to do all the shrines at the bare minimum before I beat it. But who knows, I may I may cave on that also and just go ahead and get it done with, but enjoy every minute of that. And then I will actually be picking up the physical version of Sonic Origins Plus. And in honor of the upcoming Sonic Superstars game that I'm sure we'll talk about briefly, I'll probably play through some of those classics again, too, because I was waiting the entire time that game was released for a physical version.  Welcome. Yeah, right? I know you played something. Yeah. I was playing Tears of the Kingdom again. Poor guy. Yeah, restarting. Your prime gave me a pass. So yeah, that's a rough one. How many hours did you lose? 25 to 30. So it wasn't too far in. But for you, it took you like a month to get there. Problem. I did my first temple though. So yeah. There you go. Which one did you do? Lightning, wind, whatever it is. OK, well, those are two different. Yeah, those are two different. No one it is. The Rideau vid. OK, Rideau. OK. You know what? Nobody cares. I'm not a gamer. Everybody knows this. Apparently not. Yeah, right? Never play games in real life. Not a real gamer. That's funny. I have been doing, well, paying attention to Madden at the moment. I have no idea where we are. Oh, we're at the fourth round. Cool. So it's in the middle of a draft of the money league. So I'm like, I kind of care a little bit. I had a little bit of Madden. Just a little bit, just a little bit of Madden. Honestly, because I've been I've been sick and dealing with some other stuff. But on top of that, Tears of the Kingdom, finally, you know, making some progress towards Lorelai Village. We're going to go pirate hunting where we're going to have some fun. We're going to have a lot of fun. I got to see Yulia already do it. So I already know what happens and I don't really care because it looked exciting. I'm doing it myself. It was really fun. I didn't do it the way you were supposed to do it. And I didn't figure that out till afterwards. So that happened. Eric, are you playing differently the second time around? Yes and no. I mean, I focus more on getting to the temple first. But because that's where I was. I was almost to the temple. Literally, I was in the middle of this guy going up to it when I had to believe it. So I kind of. Yeah, so I kind of focused on more still hitting shrines here and there. So but cool. You did get the paraglider. Correct. You read that part. OK, I mean, it's people are showing it's possible to beat it without it. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't look hard. It just doesn't look fun. It just makes travel a whole hell of a crappier. Yeah, it's kind of crazy that a game based so heavily around the sky will let you skip the paraglider. Like the fact that's even an option is hilarious.  That's what's crazy, you know, cool. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, also strangely enough, I'm playing a little bit of a World of Warcraft classic in old buddy. So I mean, I'm having a little fun with that. I was a hardware writer back in those days, you know, back when I didn't have kids and honestly, I didn't even think about being an adult. I just played video games and work. So, yeah, it was it was pretty good, pretty good times over here. But obviously, you know, I have my week of not feeling great and all this stuff come out of it. And Nintendo is like, here's a direct and not only here's a direct like we had these rumors floating around and then almost all of them are true. Which never happens. Yeah, we have to talk about how basically that entire direct like all the big headlines were leaked ahead of time. I mean, by one person. Yeah, like, OK, I'm paying attention to you from now on, man. I got it. Cool. Great. I don't even know. I don't even know how to react to that. Like it's whatever. You know, there were a few things that didn't get out there, like the Peach game. Right. That one still was like, whoa, whoa. And I had some people in my chat being like, oh, that was the 2D Mario game you was talking about. I'm like, I don't think no. That happened to me too. People were saying that same thing. I'm almost positive that that's not. And then it popped up on the Internet. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, there it is. There it is. Um. I must be gone. It's too busy playing Madden. No, no, no, it's my pick. I'm on the clock. I'm on the clock. I'm on the clock. That being said, we had a Nintendo Direct. And what I want to first start with is what were your guys's initial reactions because some people hated it. Some people loved it. So how we feel it's get a temperature.  Come on. Now, I have something for so many people. But then again, like, what is the modern Nintendo fan? You could only love it for Zelda. You could just be the Animal Crossing or Splatoon fan. But I think if you're a seasoned Nintendo gamer, you like a little bit of everything.  Maybe you don't always get everything, but you usually get a couple of things you enjoy. I loved it. I thought it was a fantastic presentation. Very satisfied with this. I was big on it, too, and I was all positive. But I did say if you're not a Mario fan, you probably were left wanting something more from the event. You know, they might be Pikmin, but I feel like Pikmin and Mario, that audience probably crosses over a lot. It basically was missing like anything related to the maybe more hardcore Zelda and Metroid fans out there, which that's a large chunk of Nintendo's base as well. Not Metroid so much, but Zelda clearly now is. When I saw Tears of the Kingdom pop up, I was like, OK, if they're doing DLC plus all this stuff, like we're going over the top. I still thought it was great through and through. So I'm personally so pumped for the Mario titles like that. I mean, we'll get into the details, but those are looking awesome. And they had to to your point, they had a ton there for everybody. But I can I could see some of the criticisms where if you were just, you know, Zelda and Metroid is what you care about. Even JRPG is not not, you know, focused on as much at this particular event. But this felt like a direct we needed to have to satisfy those other fans that haven't been looked at for so long.  We literally just got Zelda. And by the way, they dropped the amiibo. So like we still got something, Zelda. It's only been a little over a month. OK, if there's going to be DLC that it's still now to the September. And what if there isn't DLC? OK, cool. That means we get the next Zelda game, maybe even a little quicker. So it might actually be potentially a good thing. But forget all of that noise. Metroid fans, I don't want to hear it. Did we not get Metroid Dread? Did we not already get Metroid Prime remaster shadow drop this year? I understand they announced Metroid Prime 4 in 2017. I get it. We haven't had a new Mario game since 2017. You've had already a new Metroid game. I don't want to hear it. There might be a small percentage of Mario game coming.  They are very loud. Yeah. Yeah. Myself included, I'm ready for GX to at least give us GX ported. We're doing all these other GameCube classics. So, you know, come on. Yeah, like look, guys, it's. I understand that all of us individually look at things, you know, in a selfish light, I get it. If the director wasn't for you. Oh, man. But like a Zelda and Metroid people have been eating good. We've been eating good. What are we complaining about? You go ask a Mario fan how they've been doing the last six years. Oh, here we are. We just gave you a new Super Mario Bros. You. Oh, yeah, cool. We did Bowser's Fury with with. OK, they're just giving us old games. It was pretty sweet. It was sweet. But think about it. Imagine that you were just given a demo for like the last six years. That that's been your Mario Mario. We're not we're not talking about like a franchise that only comes once a generation like Mario. OK, look, guys, I can't forget those couple. You can't forget those couple mediocre sports games, too. For those are the spin offs, right? Like Mario has a billion spin offs always has. But like in the main line, I mean, yeah, we haven't had a new 2D science, really Mario games since, you know, New Super Mario Bros. You Mario fans come. What are you talking about? That's a movie. Come on, games. Let's not forget it's a gaming franchise. I know that's a billion. I do my two might be with two billion dollar movie franchise at some point in the future at this rate. I mean, geez, I do that. Like if people love this one, I get more.  But it's just Metroid in Zelda fans. It feels weird to throw Metroid in there, but it's actually been true the last few years. We've all been eating good. Anyone waiting for mainline Mario games haven't been eating good. So it's about time. It's about time. And it's not just that. Like there were there was a lot of good games in this in this thing. Like, look, if you've been waiting for some of the top tier obvious third party ports that should have already been here. Hey, we got a couple of them come. We got the Metal Gear Solid collection coming like that's sick. That's stuff like not really Nintendo business. And now it's Nintendo business. And I love it. The Backman series, like the good one, like we get three. Let's go. It just makes sense. Like people forget, oh, we got the Wii U. Look, we didn't work out. It didn't work out. I was a Wii U owner and a Wii U lover. But yeah, any any Wii U games that are on Switch. That's a good move, because obviously that console didn't sell well. I will say as far as the direct and it being a mixed bag as someone who is not really a fan of the Pikmin franchise. Now that one and two are coming to Switch, I'm ready to the hot back in and try to get, especially with the new Pikmin coming out. So, you know, the something you mean are on Switch. Well, on Switch. Yeah, currently on Switch. Digital, you got to wait till September if you want physical. They did the whole shadow drop. Thanks to the reminder, because I actually pulled the Metro Prime. They pulled the Metro Prime remaster. Only $40 to write. I thought I saw 50, but I could be wrong about that. 50 together, 50 together, right? Oh, OK, that's a good deal. That is a good deal. Because it is awesome. Yeah, and they're like it's HD. So like this is that's. I mean, guys, they were charging that per Zelda game on Wii U. So I'm just doing that out there. It's a pretty good deal for Pikmin. And Pikmin 4 looked incredible. Like I don't know if anyone here plays Pikmin, but I do. And I'm going to start playing Pikmin. I'll tell you that. Yeah, the underworld, the underworld. As soon as I saw that in the direct, I was like, oh, hey, that's the thing from Zelda, you know, you can go underground and it's very different underground and it's dark underground. And I was like, hmm, hmm, I wonder where they got that. Except it doesn't look like they just mirrored the world in reverse. That's true. So like it looks completely different. Dude, I'll take it, man. I'll take it. It look like everyone looks at direct selfishly. And I understand. But man, I've always been someone that looks at it as, look, I'm not going to get everything I want every direct. But was there an overall good batch of games? And I mean, yeah, I feel like it. I don't know. I will say this and we'll probably get into this conversation later. I do think this direct was a representative of a wind down direct. But we'll talk about that a little bit later because we should first talk about everything in the direct and all this stuff. Can confirm Pikmin one to bundle is $50. Yeah, that's a hell of a deal.  Or if you only play Pikmin 3 Deluxe, because that's the best selling game. They sold me on getting into it because I played three very briefly and I'm ready to literally just have the whole series on the switch just to pick up and play and get into. And I'll try to do as much of it as I can before four comes out. But that depends on how everything else goes time wise. But still, they did a good job presenting Pikmin and then saying, like, hey, by the way, if you really want to get into this series, you have the access to play everything across the whole history of the franchise. I think that's awesome. I think it's going to be their Kirby and the Forgotten Land moment where it's the best selling game in the franchise. Not saying a whole lot since it's only three million tops. But this should be like a good four or five million seller, hopefully. But it looks really solid, really well polished, good visuals, customization options, multiplayer out of the box, not in a Deluxe port. So strong. Yeah, I mean, when we were 18 minutes into the direct, we see it in my live reaction. I had to remind people we're not even halfway done and I'm already happy. Like that was a great start.  You know, throwing just dance in there, a game you have heard of, but probably don't care because it just comes every year. If you like just dance, you're buying just dance. So you think you already know by now you don't need to direct for it. But, you know, they got to keep the partners happy. But what I didn't expect was the bird dance game. Now, that one, that one, the pigeon, that's right. Pigeon rhythm game. Pigeon, yeah. Pigeon that idea and got away with it. It looks funky. It looks funky. We've seen it before. We've seen it before, but it's the fact that we're seeing it again. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Like again. Honestly, it kind of looks funky and fun. And like, if you were some friends, it would be hilarious. But I don't I don't I don't know, you know, it's funky. Fall guys vibe. You know, it's funky, fun and wasn't in the direct. Everybody's wanting to switch. The game goes on like next week. What is going on? I listen, I watched the little gameplay thing. Yeah, yeah, Japanese one. Yeah, I think it could actually be fun if you play it the way it's intended to be played with a lot of people outside of that. I can't even believe it didn't even make it in the sizzle reel. Like, it's just they it hasn't had any advertising. It hasn't had any advertising in the U.S. All the only thing was one one little video they dropped in Japan. This is the this is the game that they're just not marketing. I think they was that trailer not in the U.S. Also, I thought it was. I think it was posted by the U.S. account. But it was an event in Tokyo. To me, it's it seemed like because I thought that dropped for Nintendo of America yesterday, too. But to me, it seemed like they got out of the way before the direct.  So let's drop this thing like literally less than 24 hours beforehand. So we can bury it with 50 trailers. Yeah. Yeah. Nintendo of America. Yeah. Nintendo of America put it up. We can bury it with games that are actually just burying it. They developed it and they're like, where can we fit this in the release schedule? So just five hours later, let's bury it. Yeah. It does tend to have more views than some of the stuff from the direct so far, but was out a bit longer. Well, we'll see. I think people just were like, what is this? Why? Why? You know what? It's getting views on the why have we not seen this until now? How like I've never known Nintendo to have a first party developed game have a direct happen a week before it comes out and just not put it in the direct. It really speaks to all those reports about how poorly it tested and how little confidence it had in it. In fact, it's the first party published game. It's being sold at 30 bucks. And then the marketing lead up we've seen there, like there's maybe no truer statement and that is just them developing or getting back any development costs that they can for it. It's that's that's also part of the well, here's what I don't get. Right. Like marketing wise. Okay. They haven't really spent like hardly any marketing budget here. So I get it. Like we don't want to put marketing into it because we don't think it's going to sell well, so we don't want to, you know, spend more money on something that isn't going to sell well and just increase the budget deficit. But a direct is not a budget deficit to throw together a trailer. Like it's just not it's just it's just not you could have took even a clip from that video and threw it in there for 30 seconds. Like it's just I don't whatever. Did you buy a chance? Did you buy a chance to watch the Japanese Nintendo Direct or one game in particular? No, I didn't catch it out. So there's a title you got to check it out. It's on YouTube. It's called a Mamida Bakuru. I'll type it in the chat. It looks like it could definitely have fit in the Nintendo Direct, but probably wasn't because it wasn't dubbed and maybe it being a little Japanese centric without an English voice over. That's my guess that it didn't fit. But otherwise the game looks like it could totally be in there with action platforming. If you like Super Mario Odyssey or Go Amon, Missical Ninja back in the day, you would like this. So check that out when you have it when you have a chance because it's a really good one that most people watching the U.S. Direct have no idea of its existence. It might be a fun video, Nate. Well, there you go. You're trying to give me content ideas over there. Give you a content. I would do a reaction to this game and see, dang, that's pretty good. You got the title and thumbnail right there, The Missing Nintendo Game. Missing Game from the Nintendo Direct. Missing Game from the Nintendo Direct. Thank you. It's just a really cool trailer. I was impressed. I think somebody mentioned in the chat, too, where they said the same thing. Yeah, Sam West says, Go Amon spiritual successor. That's how I saw it. When I watched that trailer earlier today, I think it reminded me of Go Amon.  Well, you know, we all have opinions. You know what? What did happen? We got the Scarlet and Violet DLC stuff in here. And I know a lot of YouTubers' reactions because my mom was like, Hey, this is cool. Can you just promise the update that you said would happen for performance? But you've clearly just swept that comment under the rug. But what's interesting because we got two Pokemon things in here, right? The Scarlet and Violet DLC.  What's interesting, if only you guys knew this, there has not been anything Pokemon beyond NSO stuff in a Direct since Pokemon Presents began in 2020. So this is the first time. So, like, there was a lot of Pokemon fans who were like, Oh, yeah, there'll be nothing in the Direct because, you know, they've replaced it with Presents. And all of a sudden, no, we announced a new game and we gave you the Scarlet and Violet DLC details that a lot of the fans wanted, which I will say was anyone. They didn't want to feel like that trailer was just a little weird. The Pokemon? Just how it was presented, not what was in it. It kind of felt like I was watching a movie trailer. But that music and it was weird. It didn't it didn't do anything for me in terms of hype level for the DLC, which I thought was interesting. I didn't really think about how it was positioned or put together. But I do remember just like, I mean, it's in my direct live stream. Like I was just kind of like, that doesn't really make me any more excited for this DLC one way or another. I don't know. Yeah. Well, you know, I would have. Hey, included is the performance. Yeah, there we go. Now I'm excited. Oh, I got that. But then but then it's like, oh, yeah, but you have to pay for it. Now, you bet that better just be an update that comes with the deal. So you don't have to pay for it. It was cool to see, though, that did break to your point. That did break that idea that since Pokemon presents was here because I was shocked that it opened up with Pokemon to begin with just because of that exact reason there. You start to set those expectations of the Pokemon is not going to be part of a direct anymore. And now you never you're not going to know what to expect because it might show up in any given direct. Well, and my fear when they initially showed it to us, I was like, Oh, if they have to put this in. Oh, this direct is in trouble. That's what I thought, too. Is it weird because there hasn't been anything Pokemon and like, are they just trying to fill time? They're just putting DLC. It's going to be.  It's just going to be a DLC direct. Thankfully, that wasn't the case. We did get some DLC stuff, some good stuff. I like how they just kind of snuck the Mario Kart 8 DLC update in there. It just really felt like, oh, this isn't going to be. Why are we no more? Yeah, just slip it in quick here. By the way, it's really cool.  Oh, here's a brand new track we're showing the whole time that just looks like the craziest new track they've made in ages. I hate that there's still no date. There's still no date for that deal. See, you can't say summer today. We're in summer. What's going on? It was weird to say summer 2023 when we obviously already knew that. That tells me it's got to be like August. It might be July. If it's so. Dude, it's going to be a shadow drop one day. They're just going to tweet it out available now. That's yeah. And why? I don't know. I guess because they want to win the internet for a day again. They even teased it with the whole coming soon comment for the father's day thing, which made me think it was going to be in June. But then it shows about the June direct and there's no date. So it's like, what the heck? You know, I swear, if it's August, that's not coming soon, Nintendo. That's coming later. It could be to them. Golden, I was coming soon for like four months. So isn't August the only month they currently have free? Like they didn't announce any games this direct for August. I think that is September. Come to think of it. September was September. We have Gloomhaven, which is a third party. Let's see. I don't think they have anything first party till October. You know, what's September going to be? That's July. In the direct, they're going to say coming out today, Metroid Prime, two and three HD port bone. There you go. That's the way to do it. That's September's game. Then everything is over in November. Oh, you know why they haven't announced a game for September? Because they're going to announce a switch to in July. And then they're going to put it out in September and they got a launch game going with it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. People are still sticking by the 2023 thing with the switch to. I will note, as other people have already noted on mine, technically, Nintendo doesn't have what you would consider a typical triple A game ready to go for this holiday, even though Mario is going to sell gangbusters and people know it. But there's not a traditional big triple A game from Nintendo. Maybe because it's being saved for a certain something. However, we'll get into this topic later because I think Nintendo set a clear roadmap of expectations of what of a transition period coming up here. But that being said, was there anything in here that surprised you guys? I could just call you off guard. Like I just did not expect that. Luigi mentioned Dark Moon. Yeah, that's my same thing. The way that they announced that with the Peach game at the same time is like 2024 far off. And then I also just didn't see a 3DS game like Dark Moon being there. They're playing 3DS games now. That's the second 3DS game. Second first party 3DS game. Metopia made it. And I whenever Metopia came out, I think I made a video titled something like Nintendo needs to do this with 3DS games because they look so good when they're just uprest. There's no reason like give us Samus Returns.  They could just take those games and literally upreasm and they'll run fantastic on the switch and look great. Tomodachi life. Ask it again. I'll ask every direct until it happens. Tomodachi life. I need it. I would buy Animal Crossing to leave five times if it was on switch. Yeah, that's a that's a great point. They should. I mean, why would they not do that? That seems like easy money. I would sell my digital copy of New Horizons to buy new leaf. So I did it all. Good luck with that one.  Switch. That's attached to it. Sell your whole account, man. You know, one game that I kept wondering why I kept showing up with Nintendo was Faye Farm. I didn't realize that was a console exclusive. Like it's on PC, but I didn't realize they're the only system getting it. So I was like, look, no one. Not everyone's in the farming simulators. They're clearly really, really popular with certain segments of the world. And that's awesome. But I was like, man, why are we seeing more Faye Farm? It's every single direct. It's everything. Oh, oh, it's console. How did that happen? I just must have been missing the whole time on that one. I thought it was already out when I saw it. Like I thought I read somewhere. Is it coming out this month or sometime soon? September 8th. Oh, OK. So we still got a while. I don't know where I thought. Hey, there's your September console exclusive. It's not a first party game, though. Well, but Nintendo, why the paper? It's a good deal. It was in September, right? With the I saw that in chat. I mean, yeah. Pikmin one, two. Yeah, I think that was in September. Yeah, I was a physical addition. Correct. Yeah, you're talking about what would it be? What we did not expect. Yeah, I was about to lose it after Metal Gear Solid being Konami when I saw that Dracula. Like I was like, you're doing a Castlevania next. Yeah, I know. That's funny, Paul. I freaked out the same way. I was I was like, Castlevania. I couldn't believe it. No, when I saw when I saw Dracula pop up, I'm just like, it's not going to be this is this is just a well timed. Good to be true. Now the franchise makes its, you know, teeth-staking return. Because Metal Gear, that was a nice get. And Batman was a nice get. Like I'm especially looking forward to seeing how does, you know, Arkham Knight play and run on Nintendo Switch because, you know, that was an Xbox One PS4 game. Right. A little bit more graphically demanding, well, a lot more. But from that little footage we saw, it looked quite competent. Yeah, I mean, assuming that was switch footage, it looked great. Yeah, you know, yeah. And the best part about that collection is it didn't say cloud afterwards. So. Right.  You kind of do. And for a second, for a second, even with Metal Gear, I was like, OK, I know like this shouldn't be a problem, but also, but also I've seen crazier things. Oh, that's great. The Princess Peach game really caught me off guard. And I was a huge fan of Super Princess Peach on the DS. I played and beat that game when it came out. And it was just like the right amount of quirky and different than a Mario game where I really enjoyed it. So I hope that they take sort of the same path with this and make it just different enough to be super fun and different. You know, we didn't see much, but hopefully, hopefully it's a really good game because I've been kind of wanting a sequel to the to the DS title for a long time. And it seems like it just kind of got forgotten about. So hopefully they they bring some of that stuff back. Nice.  The Batman one thing was nice to see. I played those games. Yeah, those games are great with a couple of friends. And they are freaking great games. So, yeah, I was kind of surprised to see that come over. The timing almost seems combative to PlayStation Spider-Man 2. It's like, if you're in, if you're a superhero six for the holidays, yeah, which has got you. Also, speaking of Spider-Man, Nintendo is dropping the new 2D Mario game the same day as Spider-Man 2 October 20. Yeah, I thought that was hilarious. I saw that and I was like, wait a second. What else comes out that there's something? Then I looked at play say, I'm like, and then I'm going to laugh.  So it's going to be like, I wouldn't be surprised if it even opens bigger than tears of the kingdom because 2D Mario would just for those of you who've never paid attention to sales of 2D Mario, they are explosive. So. Oh, boy. Super Mario RPG also drops the same day as Persona 5 Tactica, which is rough for me because I want them both. So that'll be a busy day. Yeah. You know, if here's one that that got me, maybe it's just because I don't know how many people played this particular one. But the Star Ocean. The story are. Oh, yeah. I didn't play that. But oh, my God, the the presentation style of that HD 2D, but in 3D. Yeah. But they are like, oh, it's HD 2D. No, it's HD 2D. Three ways. Well, what's the difference? Oh, well, that OK. That is. Yes, I love to see that style of game. That's such a unique creative thing to do. That's me on picking it up. And I'm like, I said, I've never played the original. So the original was great. I oh, man, I can't I can't wait. That that that became a day one by the moment they showed it. And it looked like it did. I was like, no way. Like this. So that's the evolution of HD 2D. I was wondering if they eventually people are going to get bored of HD 2D. So it's all kind of looking samey. And then, well, there you go. There's the next evolution of it. Now everyone's going to start doing this. But a lot of people were like, oh, if they could just do Chrono Trigger like this, I'm like, that's cool. I told you guys it wasn't going to be in this drag. No, no, I'm going to start listening into a certain guy with a Z in his name. Chrono Cross should have looked like this. Yes. That would have fair to better, because like the 2D SNES games, they have a certain way that looks good in that HD 2D. But the PlayStation N64 era, well, N64 didn't really have too many RPGs. But so like the PlayStation RPGs, when you want to update them, doesn't really translate the best into pixel because they weren't. It was low poly. So this is the way to do it. Like I could see, you know, bust out if you're not going to fully remake Xeno gear, Xeno saga to them in this style. I was I was slick. I'll also say this. So they threw this sort of in a sizzle, but they have the Sparks of Hope DLC dropping today, which looked just phenomenal, which is great. A nice shadow drop. We knew what was coming. They never really gave us a date boom, shadow drop in the direct. And, you know, they didn't really probably feel like they needed to have a date and hype it up more because obviously they think the sales have been disappointing. And apparently they went against what Nintendo told them. Nintendo told them they should have saved it before they released it. They said, hey, you should save this. Do a one per platform. It'll it'll perform better that way because Nintendo felt like it was that kind of IP. Now, Mario does more than one per platform. It could do well, too. But it Nintendo themselves just told them this this style of game just feels like you do this once a gen. So it does, by the way, sound like we will get another one that they're not going to abandon it because I think they're going to try with a new one on the next platform and see if they can bounce back, which is encouraging, by the way, because I thought they might actually just be done with it. But no, I guess not.  It's a music world. It's a music world, which is some of the best parts of the original Mario Plus Rabbids or some of the music stuff. I'm so pumped. We get an entire planet all about music stuff. It's going to be great. I haven't started yet. But I will tonight. Stay tuned on the next podcast for some thoughts. I've had Sparks of Hope since Christmas, and I haven't started it yet. I really need to start it because I want to play it, but I haven't started it yet. It's good, especially like even if you're like, OK, a little repetitive here. Then you get to then you get to the final part with cursa. And it's just it's an incredible experience. Now you'll see on top and the color just kind of fell flat for me. Like the second one came out. It wasn't even on my radar. Not my kind of game, but I'm glad that there's some DLC dropping for the fans of that franchise because it looks cool. I wish I liked it, but just not my game. And look, you know, Eric's pointing to himself right now. Overall, I prefer the first one over the second one, but the second one is still so good, like it's such a quality game. And I appreciate that they took some risk with it. And Ubisoft doesn't always deliver the goods. But so far, two games in a row in this, you know, new franchise, they created, they've delivered the goods. So I can't I can't wait for whatever they try next on the next platform. But it's good because I have no idea where they go from here. They're just going to pull some I'm sorry. They are Rosalina. Like I don't look like I don't really know where you go from here. But it's going to be I know what it's going to be. I don't even want I don't even want to bring it up because I already know what direction they're going to go. I'm going to leave this alone. It's it's too obvious. It's too obvious. They have to do it. Spill it. No, no, no, it's just obvious. Like it's just no, no, I'm going to put that one inside. All right. So, man, there's so many directions. We can go talking about the directly. Do you guys have anything in particular that you want to specifically touch on? I would at some point I would like to briefly touch on Sonic Superstars because I'm really freaking hyped for that game. Well, I'm just excited. OK, so like if you I know we're going to talk more about Mario later in the 2D revitalization of that, but you got to keep in mind if you grew up in the SNES Sega Genesis era like a lot of us did, you know, that was like my first home console that I owned. I played the NES at family members' houses and things when I was a real young kid. And so that one for me holds a special place in my heart and can sit and one of my best friends growing up has Sega Genesis. He lived right across straight from me, so I'm always over there. So I owned an SNES. And so anyway, if you were in that era to see a 2D Mario and a 2D Sonic in this format and this full on push that they're getting to be brought back with original level design and four player co-op, which is actually really fun. And I still need to see how that's going to like really work with Sonic, because when you guys are all running so fast at the same time, like, I don't know how the screen is going to keep you all in with each other. But anyway, we'll have to figure that out. But that trailer was pretty good. It showed us more of the game than we had seen at Summer Game Fest. When it dropped, the Switch version looks really solid. You can definitely tell there's a little bit of a graphical downgrade. But considering that that's like a 4D, modern 2D platforming Sonic game, and I think did I read it's the original there's like literally the person who produced Sonic the Hedgehog three and Knuckles is back for this one if I'm not mistaken on that. So it's not the Sonic Mania team. It's a different it's the original team and they're bringing back the original music composers and everything. So Sega is giving 2D Sonic a push alongside of this kind of 3D direction. We're seeing him go with Frontiers, which is one of the more promising entries in 3D Sonic. So as as a hardcore lifelong Sonic fan, I'm just excited to see him back and on both fronts, the 2D style play and the 3D. I don't know, what did you guys think about Sonic Superstars? Is anybody am I the only one hype for that? Screws up. Oh, dare you prove the enemy I'm saying it does what Nintendo. No, there we go. There we go. I I saw it. It looks good, but I've been burned by 2D Sonic twice. So I don't know if I want to get Superstars and try it twice. Which one's burned? Which ones burned you? I played the ones that were on NSO. I don't remember which console they were on an NSO and I didn't really care for it. And then I got Sonic Mania and I didn't really care for Sonic Mania. Oh, I played interesting. What are the other Sonic media is widely considered incredible. What I played two other Sonic games. I also played colors when that came out on Switch. Didn't really care for it. I don't like that. Frontiers, maybe maybe you have a 3D Sonic guy. I got two hours into frontiers and got rid of it. Oh, boy. Here's not a Sonic. Look, there's nothing about Sonic that can do it for you. I think that's that was the conclusion I came to. Is I really love I really love the movies there. I just can't believe there's no way you could have fun with Sonic. I'm not a big Sonic guy. I'm not but Frontiers is cool. Mania was cool. I played the original Sonic the Hedgehog port on my phone. And I even had fun with that. Maybe maybe infinite runner. You need Sonic Run on your mobile device. You know what? I did play that when I was younger and I enjoyed that game. There you go. You need the mobile infinite run. That's what ruined Sonic for you. That was your fun game. There you go. It really Sonic Origins is a true test of if you enjoy 2D Sonic or not. If you picked up that collection, you have four of the best games in the series period at your disposal. Modern widescreen 16 by 9 support. Soundtracks a banger through and through on each and every one of those games. I mean, there's so if that if that doesn't do it for you and you actually give it a little bit of a chance going through like the classic original Sonic games, then it's just it's for sure not for you. I didn't like Sonic. He's just saying, no, I'm done. If it is Sonic Run, I ain't playing. I'm a Sonic fan because I liked adventures. Terrence, I'm an epiphany over there. Coming out as a Sonic fan. I think I am. No, I was a Sonic fan. Now I'm thinking back to all the Sonic games I've played. I'm like, actually, I enjoyed a lot of the air like, wait a minute. When did I get that Sonic tattoo? I will say the one game, the one game that I want to run with. And I know we briefly talked about it, but Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon. I lost it because it came completely out of left field. No one had leaked it. No one had said anything about it. Honestly, one of my top 10 3DS games. I love that game so much. And now that I can play it on switch in like full HD. It's going to be great. I really hope they bring back the the Scare Scraper and do it online like they did on the 3DS. That would be really fun. No, they better. They better, they better not cut that. And do you think it's interesting that they did Dark Moon but they are just like leaving Luigi's Mansion one alone? Well, we'll get there. Yeah, I think I think one's going to get there. I think one's going to get there. I think it's going to be sort of like what's happening with Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. But hey, look, we already technically redid it. Let's wait for the next system. And then it's 4K. Yeah, could be. Speaking of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, there were like people who actually thought we were going to get Zelda ports in this direction. Actually, there are people who thought we were going to get Zelda ports. When I saw when I saw player essence, put it in his thumbnail for speculation. I'm just like, dude, there's always a possibility to be fair. There's always tomorrow. Yeah, there's always tomorrow. I do. I do Twitter drops, baby. Yeah, I direct search tomorrow. When Tears of the Kingdom came out, it was announced that it was coming out for 2023 and then we didn't get Wind Waker, Twilight Princess in 2022. I said 2024 is the earliest we see those games now. And I still believe that that's a thing. But when you look at Nintendo's holiday lineup, there is like a little bit of a train of thought of like, maybe they want something Zelda out on the switch. Like, easy to work this year. I think a slip of September announcement and just be like, here you go. Or they can slip in Tears of the Kingdom. Because what's their big holiday game at the moment? Technically, it's usually whatever releases in November. Well, it's Super Mario RPG then, which is incredible. But also, I went back and looked at the sales of the first one.  Um, no, I'm a little like, oh, could they sneak something in that September to direct the pair with it? I almost feel like the 2D Mario and Mario RPG should have been flipped. Yeah, that. Oh, yeah. Almost would have made more sense. Yeah, like 2D Mario, it might not sell switches, but it's going to do numbers. And it's a great Christmas game, too. Yeah, it'll be on a lot of Christmas lists over. Can we talk about Mario RPG? I was wondering yet, can we dive into that yet? Which one? Super Mario Bros. 2D Mario. You don't want to wait, do you? No, I don't want to wait. Why is Mario an elephant? OK, thank you. No, let's go there. You started. Let's go. So when I when I watched the trailer, I wasn't sold. I didn't like it. I was like, what is this art style? I'm not buying it. And then I rewatched it a second time and I thought to myself, you know, I've been a huge fan of the new Super Mario Bros. style of games. I played all of them, loved all of them. And I think this is a nice departure. It's not just the same art style sort of. Oh, it's just like new levels in the same style. No, it's it's something different. I feel like after a new Super Mario Bros. you where everyone was kind of like, OK, we get it. Like we can do something different now and they have. And I didn't buy it first, but the second time I watched it and I was like, I can get into this. And I really watched it and dove into, you know, what they showed us and what they showed us of of the different levels and the new power up and whatnot and and I'm digging it. It's different. It's new. The art style has grown on me. I watched the trailer a couple of times now and I'm actually excited. And I haven't really been excited for a 2D Mario game after Super Mario Bros. you because I thought, OK, they're just going to beat this horse to death. They're just going to keep putting the same game out over and over and over. But they're not doing that, which I really, really appreciate. And I'm excited because it seems like a game where you just invite family over, invite a friend over. Hey, let's let's cruise through Super Mario Bros. wonder, you know what I mean? It's something different and it seems like it's kind of the Mario title to cap off the life of the Nintendo Switch, which I like. And I'm sure we'll get into that. I'm sure we'll get into that. We're going to save that for the final final conversation. I'll save that. So one thing about the 2D Mario, because, you know, I kind of believed that well before there was rumors about it, that a 2D Mario could happen this year, because I just felt like if a 3D Mario is in the works, they're going to save it. It just we talked about it on this podcast, too. We predicted that there would be a 2D Mario.  Do a deluxe version later for the other system and call it a day. But so I did worry a little bit that that because this is this is Nintendo's fault because the way they handle the new Super Mario Bros series of games just kind of felt like we're just putting one out because it's going to sell. We're not putting a ton of creativity into it.  And this isn't that this looked like something that had a lot of love. A lot of care, a lot of ideas put into it. They might have spent, you know, some actual pretty solid development time on this one. It wasn't just on a 10 year passion in this. Yeah. And get that giveaways beyond all the new power ups and the crazy things happening in the world that we haven't seen. Voice acting before. Yeah, they added voice acting and it sounds good.  I'm like, wait a second, coming off the Mario movie. You threw bar. Let's go. Is voice acting just going to be a thing? And now that it's in this, what about 3D Mario? That's getting my mind going that you're bringing voice acting in for the Mario series now because of the Mario movie. I'll take that. We get that. I did not expect that. We get that 4K 3D Mario game on Switch 2 with voice acting. Oh, like I mean, how do you think you have Chris Pratt do the voice of Mario again? It's fine. He's a little far. Hey, here's Mario's going to talk more if he's going to talk more. We don't know that he actually talks in this game, but if he if he's going to start talking more, you know, it grew on me. I've seen the movie enough. It's it's grown on me now. Yeah, I didn't mind it. Whether or not Nintendo would ever want to put that kind of budget behind the voice of Mario and he might just say Wahoo every now and then. I feel like Chris Pratt's Mario voice grew on me. When I heard Charles Martin, they in the movie voicing other characters, I was like, OK, they they had him in there. That's cool. And then I was like, I accepted Chris Pratt after that. Well, that and the I don't know. I was well, let's say that for another topic for a different podcast, because I do want to talk about movie stuff more because it sounds like we're going to have a universe of Nintendo stuff coming out, so it's going to be a fun topic in the future podcast. Chris Melandry, whatever his name is, he didn't say there would be more. He just debunked the Zelda one. He did quote unquote debunked it. Well, he said illumination is not working on. Yeah, yeah, you ever said universal is not working on a Zelda movie. So he's like the rumors false because it said illumination. But wait, or because we can't announce it yet because we have investors, we have to. Yeah, or maybe the ink hasn't dried. Yeah, the ink hasn't dried. We can't talk about some of the ink hasn't dried on and Nintendo themselves hasn't put out there.  So whatever. Well, what I found interesting though about this 2D Mario and what this was stood out to me that man, they really put a lot of effort into this is Mario is extremely animated. And all like more than any other 2D Mario I've ever seen is so expressive, the hat is doing different movements based on what you're doing on screen for literally no reason. There's no benefit to it. It just looks right. Can we talk about how he holds his arms behind him when he runs now? Like super like literally almost Sonic style, but also like throwback to like Super Mario Bros. kind of. But this looks like they just said like make the most creative out there. Like let your creative juices flow. Mario game that you can and that team sat down in a room and decided to just deliver on every single expectation. Well, just when people really did feel stale to your point about the new Super Mario Bros. games, it's so genius for them to ditch that title and separate this off into its own thing because so many people that I saw complaining about, I don't want another 2D Mario. They just do the same thing over and over. There's no unique level design anymore. It's boring, blah, blah. And every Mario makers have been out two of them. And so like now you have that too. Like yeah, this is showing things we can't do in Mario Maker, which is awesome. Right. Well, that's that's what I it was a breath of fresh air. And I didn't see anybody complaining about this 2D Mario like in videos where I was talking about the possibility of a 2D Mario and everybody just I don't want a 2D Mario. We're done with that. The 2D formula is done with they should move on from it. Just going to use Mario Maker and just make 13 levels in the world. It's legit. And now and now I see everybody hyped for this game. And I'm like, that's Nintendo at their finest. They I mean, they they're making the pipes dance. They're making clouds rain down little minis. Got the black ones. This black and white dark thing going on. Yeah, I'll think Mario. What is happening at the rails that you grab? It's just rail grinding. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And vertical and like he and he's running like you're going from top to bottom and super fast platforming. Like they they're throwing everything out there. This is like colorful. And like I said before, just it looks like there's a lot of passion that's been poured into this. So, you know, all the way to the music, too. All the way to the music is going to just be there. It was like watching the whole direct. Nothing really caught me music wise, the whole director. It's like, oh, the games are cool to get this came out. I don't know if it's the way they inserted this audio clip into it, but it was just oral. I almost couldn't even watch the trailer because that music was that good. Like I haven't been that wild by Mario music.  Yeah, that's what's fun. I love the spot when the sheep or whatever he's on or running and it looks like you're about to hit the goalpost. And then they're just like, no, you're not done with this. I love that. You know, it's just a little curveball is like that. And then if you notice, too, whenever they're going through like the overworld very briefly, it looks like it's like shifting perspectives around you as you go. Like it's not to make it different, just different. Everything about it feels different. Daisy, too. Yeah, playing Daisy. That's true. Street. I think if people saw that this could be like Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze that and they would have the ambition of like, oh, Nintendo could change it up like they did with Super Mario World to Yoshi's Island and how that looked totally different than Super Mario World or Mario 3, then it would have been more hyped for a 2D Mario like. But the new series was fine. It ran its course, though, maybe a little too long. But this is what was needed. And this shows Nintendo's art team and their potential. They know how to make good games. You throw in a new graphic style and you have a bigger budget with more animations like this is going to be a top quality game. And kind of to piggyback of what Nate and Nick were saying earlier, almost feels like this and Mario RPG should have been switched unless if gosh, could something else big be their November, December title because Mario RPG doesn't feel like that. Yeah, this is when they announced November 17th. I was like, what? Mario is enough to be the Black Friday game. But I'm excited for my RPG. But you have me too. But didn't you release in October? Yeah, do you know how packed 2017 was? 2017 was. Yeah, that was like the first year of the last one. Let's not worry about when games came out in 2017. It was it was system seller after system seller all all year long. This year does something that Nintendo has only done four times in the last 37 years, and that's have a Mario, Zelda and Metroid in one calendar year. It's only happened four times three times before 86. And that was Japan only 2002 and 2017. And in 2017, in case you had to have two consoles because three days for Sam's turns. Yeah, kind of a rare, very little mini fact for what it's worth. So that's some pretty good output. If this Nintendo Direct came out a couple of years ago, I think people would have said, wow, that's a good second half of the year. And this is like the system's going in seven years and it's that solid of a direct. I mean, just looking at the lineup overall for this year, considering what we've already gotten and now what's coming. Like, it's it's a it's a good year.  Again, which is sad to say that most of the consoles they kind of have that last year was like painful to wait from N64 to Gamecube in the last year. Kind of a slog to wait from Gamecube to we and so forth. And this we don't even know if it's the last year to switch. It's all just been like they just know maybe maybe you get a paper Mario color splash. OK, but not anymore. They said that's not going to happen anymore. He said he said he doesn't want to fall off the cliff. He never explained the strategy. Yes, I said he didn't want to. He never said they were falling off. They're paragliding off, which is what they're doing. Yeah, well, this seems like a last topic. I don't want to jump. OK, I got one more thing to say about Mario Wonder is I really wanted a new 2D Mario game because 2D Mario is the reason I'm a Nintendo fan today. New Super Mario Bros. Wii is what got me into Nintendo. That that's my game. I love that game so much. The the the U was OK. Deluxe was just a port. And to see this game be so different, but in a good way, like like we've already mentioned, like it the art styles different, the gameplay is different. It just brings me back to that same. Wonder. Oh, man, pun intended, I guess. And just joy that I got out of New Super Mario Bros. Wii playing that for the first time. And I feel like that's what I'm going to get out of this game. And that's exactly what I wanted. It also feels like it is a lot more animated and they change up the art style. And it feels like to me, they've found a perfect mix between how Mario looks in the movie and how he looked previously in the game. So if you came from the movie, now you have this game where he kind of looks like he does in the movie. Or if you've been a fan for a long time, he still looks exactly how he looks. I also think it's great that Peach is still playable because she was, I guess, playable in the movie in a sense of like she was with Mario on his adventure. So I think that's a good trend that they're continuing. Even hilarious if Luigi wasn't playable. I would cry if I wasn't playing as Luigi. Sorry, dude. When I was a kid, I would, when I was playing the original on NES, I would select two player and then purposefully just kill off Mario. The only question I had, you know, OK, Toad's playable, but that's not like the normal Toad color one that's usually playable if there's only one. I was like, wait a second. Now it could just be a color contrast thing because they wanted to look different from Mario or something. But too much red on the screen. I don't know. That one felt a little weird. Oh, it's Toad. I mean, is it the the Toad? I don't know if it's the Toad. I do hope we get online multiplayer. I know Mario Maker 2 had online multiplayer. So they've done it online multiplayer. Yeah, that would be really good. It really should. It's 2023. How do you not have online multiplayer? Look, if there's every if there's the three. There you go. If you want to do want to take a shot at Sonic, that's that's the shot. Fair enough. I do think, though, you can't just write home. We're talking about Nintendo here. You can't say it's going to have online play. I mean, this is the company that wants you to use a smartphone app for voice chat. So that's true. Remember, nothing. I mean, it's a game that has advertised 100 people playing together with smartphones. They have they got the technology. What makes you the way everybody's one to switch is designed. It makes me feel like this. Why don't you just make a mobile app then? Like, why do we? Yeah, make a mobile game. Like, like, it doesn't really feel like a game that needs switch. It looks like something. It looks like the switch for that game. It looks like the switch is literally just the means to get something on a big TV. Yeah, you know, as opposed to like there's so many other way, easy ways to do that. Like, you don't need a $300 system to project something and that's why it's 30 bucks. Is everybody's one to switch? Could that be what they were referring to in that one patent where they were like, here's the switch and here's like the joy cons and the controller. And then here's the smartphone connected to it. You know what I'm talking about? I remember that patent coming out and I feel like this is part of that. Maybe not like the the. Grame games that use the joy cons. But I mean, it's it's kind of weak sauce. So I'm like, oh, we're swinging a sword. Well, people are using their phones to throw stars. I can swing my phone and do the same thing. It has gyro like all our phones do. I don't. OK, cool. Yeah, it's a switch game. So you're using the switch controller. I got it. Anyways, the game's not in the direct, but it sort of feels like it was because it happened like 12 hours before the director. We finally saw it. Let's see. Does anyone else have anything to say about the 2D Mario? Yeah, to me, it was Nintendo was like, you think you know 2D Mario? Hold my beer. Let me change this up and like completely flip on your head what you think a 2D Mario is.  You have Mario stretching, although that looked a little suspect. The jokes are already out there. The means, baby. Let's do it. It was just so different from a 2D, the like, quote, unquote, normal 2D Mario is, but yet still felt right at home for a 2D Mario type of thing.  It was crazy. What I what I felt like for me when I was a kid that that side swimming Mario was or just for me Mario at the time, because Mario Brothers go into Mario to such a drastically different type of Mario game. Then you get to more Super Mario Brothers 3, such a drastically different Mario game, right? And then, you know, you're going from that into, I don't know, let's say Mario 64 again, another drastically like it just felt like it all felt like Mario, but they were so fundamentally different from each other. They didn't really replace the old games and they didn't really make you it was just amazing. But then Nintendo sort of beat the dead horse with new Super Mario Brothers. Like, whatever your first new Super Mario Brothers game is, I guarantee you loved it. The problem is they kept making it over. Yeah, that was my thing. Playing the new Super Mario Bros to to the Wii U one is I was like, oh, yeah, this is the same level progression and items.  And it's like, OK, but this is this is what it needed. This is like literally exactly what the franchise needed. And it's so cool to see the shift in in the pulse of the fans, because, like I said, people were legit not on board with it. Yeah, there was like this trailer, there was crappy one out. Yep. This trailer. Also, who would have predicted the title wonder? Like I would have never in a million years I still don't even like get it. I'm not even sure it's a good title. I mean, I think they thought it was cool whenever you I saw it certain things in the like wonder because it's mysterious. But then you'll like hit the the end goalpost and it says wonderful. You know, it's they're going to do like play on words with it and stuff. I don't know. And also, if there's elephant Mario, I mean, is there other animal Mario power ups? Is there other elephant? Like, is there elephant Luigi, elephant Pete, right? Oh, yeah.  Yeah, it should be right, because it's a four player game. And that was just a standard power up from the looks of things. So I would assume that we have elephant every character. I'd also like to mention he's an elephant, like not like the penguin suit or the two. No, yeah. No, he's actually he's actually an elephant. Well, he has to inspire me when we throw the cap and took over T-Rex. Come on now. So we didn't throw a cap. We just got a power. It's just a thing you get in the game. So no one he didn't think it was weird. Hey, I'm an elephant and I'm going to smile. Mario, you literally just changed into a different being. I did voice acting like, oh, look at that goomba. He looks so peaceful. Oh, never mind. Oh, man. Yeah. And with the voice acting, I wonder if there's just going to be a lot of comedic moments. That would be nice to see. It will be nice to see.  Like, what if they even have like just a random line here and there? Like, you got angry face coming out. Yeah. And all of a sudden Mario like powers into something and all of a sudden you see him get scared.  That would be so funny. Like the mark like super paper Mario and like the Mario RPG series, they're known for having good writing and funny, witty things. This isn't going to be a big story game, but kind of like you said, incorporating little lines here and there could be a really cool way to spice it up. Also, one last thing on this, I really hope that it's surprisingly longer than we're expecting because I do feel like with a game like Super Mario Maker 2 being out for so long and the amount of level variety and things that can be created. I actually hope that it's like way longer than eight worlds or that there's just crazy stuff to do to make like that. You really have a deep gameplay experience to get to the end of it. But it's kind of unique throughout. Like I do hope that this is actually a lengthy game and not just like you can, you know, grind through it in less than five hours if you really sat down and tried, you know. But I feel like they could do like 10 of worlds instead of eight. Like that would be acceptable. Something like that. Maybe a lot of branching paths, a lot of like, you know, levels that are hard to find everything. I mean, you could argue that pretty much every 2D Mario has already done that. But I do think it should be content heavy, you know, not just something you can beat five hours or less. They could do 10 like standard worlds and then have the because I know Mario 3D World had they had their standard world and then they had like the bonus bonus word, which also if you get to the very end has one of the hardest levels in like all of Mario. Yeah, that's great. You beat that you 100% the game and that's it. But you have to beat that level to 100% the game. I want something. I love that content, too. That was awesome. Like just the content of that game kept me engaged for a long time, more than a lot of Mario games have. And if they pull something like that off with Wonder, that would that'd be the icing on the cake. Oh, yeah, some kind of secret world, like almost with a throwback to like Super Super Mario World, where, you know, it's the hardest levels and you have to do like the special Star World first, but then you get all those crazy named like tubular levels and whatever like they thought was cool in the 90s. And it was like just a stretch of these crazy, difficult levels. And I would love to have something at the end of this wonder game like that as well. Yeah, yeah. So let's see here. Is there is there anything else that any of the rest of you guys wanted to particular talk about? I know that some wrote when Sonic Darren couldn't wait. So we went Mario. I want to throw one game that wasn't in the direct that everyone thought was going to be in the direct. Persona 3 Reload was not at the direct at all, despite the fact that Atlas uploaded a trailer that had Nintendo Switch in the description. And there have been like four retailers that have a Switch version, but Nintendo won't announce it. So someone's wrong, either Nintendo's wrong for not putting in the direct or Atlas is lying and it's not coming to switch and we still don't know. Or Microsoft could have paid for some kind of visibility. I guess that's true. But they announced the PlayStation version. Yeah, the PlayStation version is in the trailers. Yeah, I wonder. I think it's too exclusive. Ah, look, we we're persona, but it could be one of those things that it's just coming to switch later than the other versions. And we've seen that with a lot of third party games. It very well could need additional development time, like graphically, because it was it's quite a bit more impressive than then Africa. Yeah, it's also a lot more intensive than persona five. So and I mean, persona five runs great on Switch, but they did advertise in the Xbox trailer. It's I think it's either 4K 30 or 4K 60. And as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, man, that's going to be rough. Two 40 30 40 30, let's do it. Yeah, Atlas is the one confusing because they've also they've had a couple of things. One thing popped up on their website as well. Like it either Atlas is just really bad at hiding that the games coming to switch but at a later date and they just keep messing up with how they're putting out pages and putting on information or someone just making a big group. So it's not actually coming to switch.  But who knows? I mean, they did drop the trailers explanation. It is the same company that dropped the trailers by mistake early before the Microsoft showcase. So it's very possible that they're just they're just finger in the keyboards over there, you know, just accidentally hitting all the wrong buttons and somebody typing out the descriptions like, oh, Nintendo Switch. And then I'll wait a minute. It's not coming to switch. Bill, didn't you remember to take that out? And then, oh, no, I didn't know. It's already live already all over the internet. Yeah. Oh, at least I didn't leak the trailer. So get off my back. Yeah, very well. It could be their their internal conversations right now. Apparently, all the achievements for percent of five tactic are leaked today, too. So Atlas just now is that we just can't keep anything. Yeah, it's just it's just like Ubisoft. You know, there there's some reason everything leaks out of their their neck of the woods, too, all the time. There's like no secrets with that company when it comes to what games are coming. Maybe in retro studios, needs to hire Atlas to help us out. Permission to find for like that. Come on. That'd be great. I don't know. We'll get we'll get some piece of information at that point. There's a part of me that and this is this is my last thing about the direct. There's a part of me that really hopes that the Super Mario RPG does well. So Nintendo remakes one of the Mario and Luigi games. Yes. Thousands of inside story is like one of my favorite Mario games ever. I need to see that game to death. So is there anything else you guys specifically want to touch on before we get to the pressing last topic? No, I'm actually I'm I briefly mentioned it. Not that it was a big deal, but Prince of Persia and Mortal Kombat one were not here yet. We know they're on the way. So would have been nice to see the ladder of the two, particularly how it's running or kind of both for that matter. But yeah, they're on the way. Well, Prince of Persia is twenty twenty four in January. So I could be that's so so so that yeah. January 18th, twenty twenty four. So they that one, I kind of figured they might wait for September. And that's fine. Mortal Kombat one was a bit more of a. Hmm. It comes out in three months. They go on to the other version, like when MK 11 came out, that was one where they weren't showing it until like the very end. And they'd actually looked and made everyone be like, oh, man, the Switch version must be that bad. They're just hiding it.  So I mean, this is probably going to be really damn good again, because the same studio bringing it to Switch is the one who did Mortal Kombat 11. So it's like, well, yeah, it's probably going to be really damn good. I but again, why can't we advertise the Switch version? I don't I don't really I don't understand. It's not like people on PlayStation five are going to confuse the Switch version trailer for their version. No, they're very sticky about they know. Anything that's not theirs. Oh, here we go. That's like at the petition. No. So I will. Sorry, I will. I would like to say one quick thing that was surprising to me with the Pikmin one and two shadow drop. I kind of feel like it's Nintendos may be setting a little bit of a precedent right now with GameCube games and how they're willing to shadow drop them the day of give us a physical release later. And that might be the exact same style that we see them do. Metroid Prime two and three around the corner as well, even though Prime three is a Wii game. But they're I wonder if they're treating that like we're going to get a lot of that stuff re-released individually ahead of time when it ties to something that they're working on in the current series. And and that's just what they're going to do before we can even ever think about GameCube being added into NSO. You know, maybe that's way further off in the next gen than we realize. You heard a year first. Some road just teased. Metroid Prime two and three shadow drop in September. I mean, if they're if they're HD, like what Pikmin one and two are, they're just the HD versions of the GameCube game. So if the rumors are true about Prime one remastered only getting the big boy remaster, quote unquote, it could very well be that that's how they come over. So we'll see. Cool. So Samuel did a five dollar super chat that helps us transition to that topic. Speaking my language with the holiday lineup looking relatively light. Interesting wording. Do you think this direct may hint towards the switch to coming sooner than expected? So perfect timing for this is that we were going to transition to the last topic, which is sort of what does this mean for the roadmap for Nintendo and things and things like because one of the feelings I got coming out of it. Maybe it's just because I talk about Nintendo every single day. But looking at this director and looking at the holiday and go, yeah, 2D Mario is a big deal. It's legitimately a big deal. That game is going to sell gangbusters, but they didn't position it as the holiday system mover. They positioned it as the month before, which is fine. They've done that again. Did it with Odyssey, did it with Luigi's Mansion, but they also had like other games coming out that could move the system in the following month. And this time they don't at least yet. Again, we have we have probably another direct before holiday. So who knows? They might they might shock us with something that they're just keeping in the barrel. But there's multiple perspectives to sort of look at it. And the way I felt at the end of this direct was, damn, that was a good direct. Also, the things that make it good are the same things that make me feel like it's winding down. There wasn't that tears of the kingdom. There wasn't that Metroid Prime 4 even. There wasn't that big like Ben highly anticipated or would be a super anticipated game for a long time.  But not ones that you would think, you know, not ones that drive the hype. The 2D Mario is great. It's not Mario Odyssey hype. It's just not the same, not the same levels. So it kind of felt like because after tears of the kingdom came out, it's like, what is that next big hype driving game? What's it going to be? And well, these games are good and way better than we ever get at the end of generations from Nintendo. It still kind of feels like this is that wind down period. This is that we're not abandoning Switch period.  But we're not going to give you that. I need to go by a switch to play this game because they're saving it for that next thing. It's right around the corner. So the first indication from Nintendo at a direct that I've actually felt like that at the end of the direct. What are you guys thinking? Can I can I defend team 2023? Because I feel like I'm going to be here. Still a shot at it. So look, we get through September and there has been an announcement. I hope you finally moved. Oh, no, if we get to September and there's nothing, I'll be like, OK, I wave the white flag. OK, right now I got through this direct. And yeah, there is nothing that tells me like, oh, well, this is this is our big game. Like this is, you know, we got something cooking. I thought, oh, maybe there's one game here that we're like, oh, that's a switch game. OK, that feels like a little too big to be a switch game. But by the time we get to that game at holiday, it'll be. Oh, it's for switch to I got to the end of the direct. I was like, nothing really. And then I kept thinking today. Out of all of these games announced. Do any of these games feel like Nintendo needs to go to Gamescom to show these games? Like I look at these games and yes, they're great. But none of them to me really say, yeah, we're going to Gamescom to promote this game like this is our bit. We're going to promote Super Mario RPG. Everybody wants to switch. They need a big audience. Hundred players. But I look at it and even in the direct, they talked about the Nintendo Live and how you can essentially, if you go to PAX West, you can also come to Nintendo Live. Why are they promoting that so much? It seems like the kind of thing that would never normally be in a direct unless it was just there to fill a few minutes so they could hit 40 minutes and call it a day. And I just look at it and I'm like, I feel like. There's a reason that August and September are empty. And then it starts to ramp up in October. I think I'm still sitting on. They announced something next month or at Gamescom Gamescom in August. It drops in either September or October. And there's one big game that is cross-gen but runs a lot better on the new switch. And they put it out this holiday so it can kind of bring up switch sales over the holiday. And then next year, when we get to the February direct thing, you start saying, Hey, here's all of our big games for this new platform. And now that it's been out for a little while and that kind of helps us with supply, so not everyone's trying to buy it for all of these multiple games. Now we can start to push all these games out the door because we've been building them up and we'll have a really good 2024 after having a really good 2023. But that's just me. Look, it's that's the PlayStation move. The difference is we'd already know, right? We would already know at this point. Like this would be the latest PlayStation would announce the new system. But I mean, that is the PlayStation move. Strong, really strong lineup heading in. Nice big cross-gen game at launch. I mean, that's their keys to success. I keep saying that the big thing is Nintendo's under a management that's never launched a new platform and has openly stated how he's worried, not worried about the transition, but like that he's been thinking about it for a while, like this has been on his mind. How do we do this? How do we maintain the audience? And he's even made it sound like in a lot of the investors meetings that, you know, it's like not an option for Nintendo to not find a way to bring audiences forward. Like something Nintendo has done very bad at and he probably wants to try a new strategy. I would assume because you can't just keep doing the same thing. It doesn't work. So that would be a new strategy and it potentially could really really, really work. And you can even point to switch owners and go, wait, like, oh, the new platform came, guys, we already announced 2024 switch games already got the new peach game coming. We're not done with you guys. We got games coming. We're not abandoning you. Don't worry about it. So I think that that's a very interesting strategy to look at. Obviously, that's like the one play to be like Team 2023. They're still leaving that August July slate to announce things open there, maybe. So you can slip that announcement out there. And I mean, look, I want to keep the hope of him alive. I'm a dreamer. It's it's shooting in such a narrow window. If we get to July and there's nothing, I'll be like, OK, it's definitely next year. Then I'm really holding out for July and maybe a little in August for games come. But other than that, watch, watch, they do announce something in July because remember, you know, Jeff Grubb did say you're rumblings of something. You don't even know what it is. But something from Nintendo happening in July. And it's like, what if that's something is they just announced a Smash Bros tournament for Gamescom? And that's why they're there. It's a switch light OLED. Well, I would like to say I would love to be Team 2023. But I do think that some of that Nintendo Live slash Gamescom promotion is actually Nintendo just kind of doing what they said they were with their R&D budget and trying to expand out into like various different ways of. I mean, all the new revenue that they're they're making, they're reinvesting into the company in different ways. I feel like now that they're in this, you know, Super Nintendo World theme park plus movie plus more live events connect with the fans face to face. I don't necessarily think they're there to show you anything new because they've kind of gone out of their way to say multiple times, especially Nintendo Live. Like it's the Nintendo Switch games you know and love, but with the community locally, you know, it's on their web page. I don't I don't think that that correlates to a switch being in 2023, but I would love to be wrong about that. And I would love for it just to happen in July. Like that's how ready I am for new hardware. But I still think early 2024 is probably when we're going to be talking about it. And I do think, Nate, on the topic of this, it feels like this release schedule is signaling the end for the switch. Because if the switch really had a whole another year plus two years even as the flagship product, we would have had a three Mario major game would have been announced three Mario Metroid Prime for something would be loaded and ready to go for holiday season and not saying 2D Mario isn't big and Mario RPG isn't big. Well, Mario RPG, it'll be interesting to see how that sells because I don't know that that will really drive units. That's really something for the fan. Yeah, that's that that that's a nostalgia play with an audience that already exists. Absolutely. And to be fair, we still have the September Direct and there is a weird gap from first party releases. But it has done a September. Oh, we got to know something September for the holiday. Like they've done they've technically done that. Well, there's a new pandemic year that they saved first. And with how many units Scarlett and Violet sold, they may kind of be looking at the DLC expansions as a partial, you know, like just this is a big deal because we got we get one in fall. And then they keep saying winter 2023, which I'm assuming might mean that's early 2024. That's kind of what I think, too. But it's just why would you put the year? Because winter begins like pretty much at Christmas. Yeah, December. Right. So I guess you're probably right. They're probably saying because it starts in 2023, but they're actually saying it's like the NBA. Oh, you're the you're the you're the the 2022 champions, but you won it in the following summer. Right. Yeah. So I don't know. I do think that you could if you really wanted to look at this direct as a negative Nancy for a Nintendo fan, you could stare at it and you could say, oh, they're they're I mean, there's a couple new games, but they're re-releasing a bunch of stuff.  They're we're going to keep dropping games, but it's going to be the ports and remaster out because got to save the big guns for the next thing. And now we're living that out right now.  I mean, the next console has to be backwards compatible with as much pressure as soon as I saw they were putting Pikmin one and two and you can play all four on switch. I'm like, it has to be backwards compatible so that can move on to the next one. They did the same thing with Xenoblade. You can play all three Xenoblade games on switch like that to me just says, OK, now just keep moving this library forward and everyone will be having Chronicles X, though. Now that doesn't count. I missed that game. It's not in the main currently. There's some controversy inside monolith with that that one for some reason. Apparently, monolith doesn't like it. Yeah, there's some higher up. I like it. It's not. It's weird. It's like it already exists. Just like then you don't remaster higher Tantalus or something. Ported in HD and slap it out. You don't even have to do that much, but it's already 16 by nine. Come on. That doesn't meet monoliths quality standards. Actually, it's already in HD. Just screw it. Just straight port it and charge 30 bucks. What are we talking about? Like, I don't know.  They're going, we're still going to have a pretty strong holiday. It's not going to be like prior holidays, which has already been warned by Shintaro for a couple when he said we would love to repeat the sales of last year of switch this year, but we started to have we're not even confident we're hitting our current projections. Like we're just and it's like, oh, if you're not confident as the president, you're going to hit the current projections. That means you kind of know not only are you winding down. Now you look at the lineup and you go, yeah, 2D Mario is great, but it's never really been a big system seller since N64. So yeah, it's going to move units. The soft like we were already like, yeah, the software demand, the switch audience is very active and still buying and playing games. It's just not growing at the rate it once was. And I think that he saw the writing on the wall and he's like, we're still going to really strong. We're going to keep the community active. We got to attend the live movies. Yeah, everyone's still going to care about Nintendo as we head into that next platform, which I think they're setting up for 2024 and the way this felt was like Peach going to get that in the first half next year. I just, I just know they might not have an exact date locked down. They'd like, that's going to be a first half game. We're going to see more of it at the September director. If we don't, it'll be February directing. They'll give us literally huge trailer launch date. And I think that February direct, I mean, it's potential to September directs the last time that it's only going to talk about switch. But I kind of feel like they're setting up a holiday 2024. And it's really the first half of 2024 that I'm looking towards what's Nintendo doing right now. They've announced a couple of things, you know, Luigi's Mansion and the new Peach game. And I'm starting to wonder if the Peach game might be the only new one and we're going to get a ton more ports and remasters announced in September for 2024. I just, I mean, I think they should release it in the first half of 2024 if they're going to do it this way. Because I don't, yeah, if you want to end with the Peach game, end with the Peach game being the last exclusive on switch. But I don't know. I just felt so calm at the end of this, like, dude, it's now 2024. It's happening.  I would love for it to be 2023 because the way the lineup lines up right now. That's PlayStation. This is their move. Strong games right to the next system. Look, Peach is great. It's not 2D Mario, you know, that's not something that's looking like it's going to sell a lot at the moment, but we don't know. Caveat is we don't know because we didn't really see it. But I just, again, there's no big bang or set up that's everyone's going to be anticipating for months and months and months and months and months heading into 2024 right now. Nothing, nothing. So I think this solidified its team 2024. I'm hoping they do a smart thing and maybe do it first half. I wouldn't mind it launching as an example before the end of the current fiscal year would be sweet, a March launch. And yet Peach, maybe Peach is ready. Fine, Peach can release for switch after you. You're not going to leave 125 million people behind. I mean, maybe Nintendo usually does. I'd like to throw this out there just real quick because I did a little digging. Yeah. Andres restart pointed it out in his video, but. Good luck on your move today, buddy. If you're watching the two the two directs this year. Our title, Nintendo Direct date dash Nintendo switch. Those are the only two that have Nintendo switch after this is the only time they've been specific that it's Nintendo switch. I checked all the ones last year and they don't have Nintendo switch. I don't know why they're doing it now, but maybe maybe you're right. And even if it's team 2023 or 2024, it seems like it's one of those things where they're setting the precedent now to specify. So in the future, when there is something different, even if it's not called Nintendo, you know what's going to happen now. You know, you pointed that out because I wasn't paying attention when the September Direct comes and it doesn't have the dash. Nintendo switch, everyone's going to be freaking out. It's going to be bad. Well, the presses, they've gone back to not having it at all. As apparently the Peaches song is just getting played out through Superchats right now. Yeah, I think so. It's just a metal. That's awesome. And it's in my head. It worked, Justin, because I'm singing it now. Yeah, it's impossible to not be in the head now. I would like to spend just a quick second on that Nintendo switch name in the Direct, because I actually saw a part of Andres's video earlier where he pointed that out and I thought that was interesting, too. And I don't know that it necessarily means anything for this year, but I agree that that is kind of setting a tone that in the future, when people are looking through these Directs, you want to say clearly what system this Direct was focused on. And so it's likely that, yeah, there is going to be a different name or a switch to or whatever. But I could I could definitely see that kind of somewhat indicating I mean, we're we are in the ramp down period. If you look at home consoles, this is the longest generation for any Nintendo home console for being the flagship device. And I just don't think they go that much longer. Like by 2024, we will know something in terms of new hardware. Like the rumor mill is going to start up before we get to the end of the year. Someone's going to say something somewhere because there's going to be manufacturing dev kits. Yeah. So it's going to be interesting. I mean, I'm kind of excited. They're like, hey, man, we're probably less than 18 months away from a new. I don't know if I can wait all the way till next. I don't know. I don't want to wait until next holiday. This fiscal year would be great. I would love it this fiscal year. That does mean March. I can I can wait. I can wait till March. I'm good. There's enough good content and nothing so I can wait. Financially, I'd love to wait until March. Hey, tax return time. Let's go. And that might not be the problem. I'm trying to get a pre-order in, which would be probably the biggest. Listen, I'm worried about finding a pre-order for those Zelda Amiibo. I got to I got to start turning all my notifications back on. I turned them off because I thought I was done, but no, apparently not. Dude. So we even touch on the Zelda Amiibo. It looks so good. Look, the game of one looks exactly like I thought it would. But the Zelda one is cool. Yeah. What they were coming because of the the data in the game. We knew they were coming just a matter of when. Given the fact that we got these. And what they really look like. Well, the game of one look at the official art. Cool. Yeah. But the Zelda one is pretty dope.  These two come in postgame. Gives me hope that maybe we'll get Sage Amiibos to do another four pack like they did with the champions. I know people will buy those two. But you could also argue they released that champion. The champions a bit later. And then the story DLC was about the champions. That's true. Maybe they're also releasing later. Also holiday. Also, there's probably another direct before them. Just holiday. I guarantee you are the kingdom DLC disappointers out there. We have time. Never mind. OK, it's too soon. We have time. The big holiday game could be DLC for tears of the kingdom paired up with the Amiibo and November, December drop. I just I just put that together together. A hundred dollars. I'm ready to jump.  And those came out at the end of November. What do they make it through July? And I'm like, oh, holiday Zelda Amiibo end of November. Tears of the Kingdom DLC. OK, that makes a lot of sense. All right. I'm out to breath of the wild. It was important for them to give a timeline because it was so new, a new console. They needed to hit everything out from the get go. Tears of the Kingdom was based off of something that was established. That's why I didn't need a crazy marketing campaign. It was like, let it speak for itself and will trickle things up and keep building up more and more people snowballing. And with the game sales, we don't need to tell you everything right now. Just enjoy this game is going to last y'all for a couple of months. Just when it starts to fade down, then you can mention the DLC is coming and then later on release it. So yeah, no rush for the DLC. I'm like, what do you know? It's all new, but do you remember that interview? Do you remember the interview with our new one when he's like, hey, so I was paying attention to the Internet with Tears of the Kingdom? Do we need to put out a game play video?  We what's the different thing about it? You know, like we got to do this game play video. Like it was kind of funny being like, wow, this is the first time that I think I knew was ever said, hey, I'm paying attention to the Internet. And we actually have to we got to market the game. We got to do something. But I just thought it would be a little fun nugget. It's nothing I would ever really like make a video about. But it's just kind of like, hey, like that's kind of interesting to know the Zelda team is listening to the Internet. It's also scary. I'm very very good. Listen to the right parts of the Internet, not after some of the war machines people have made in Tears of the Kingdom. Please don't listen to the Internet. We need more of this. Yes. Oh, see, yeah. I was I say the next thing I want to make fighter jets, but then it's already happened. So we'll just. Yeah. Did you see people have figured out how to recreate that one boss using I saw a clip. The they've recreated the wind temple boss out of like zonai devices. It was really cool. I didn't see that one. I'm not surprised, but I didn't see that one. That's pretty cool, man. Yeah. And all that one. Hey, I can imagine it now. I can see it. Well, I'm proud of you, Eric. Proud. I'm a semi-gamer. I learned how to hit the power button yesterday. Yeah. Don't worry. You can spin the wheel again tonight. If you don't know what actually hit it. So does anyone else have some thoughts on like if they or are just like crazy and it really doesn't give off that vibe. I don't know, like a transitionary vibe. They've just never done it before. Old video game magazines, old E3s, they announced it and like you played you play the the next new console a year and a half or so before it even came out. They're timing this so differently, so uniquely that it's just we can't really anticipate it. And that's why we were coming up with crazy ideas where it's like, well, would Nintendo ever do that? Well, this could be the time where, yeah, July, there's a reason for the games, comms and stuff like that, where they're doing a hardware release this November. Well, what about the investor thing? Well, maybe they're divvying things up where Nintendo Switch sales apart about 15 million, not about our successor sales. And what if it's an interim? Like, wouldn't it be crazy at this point if it was Nintendo Switch Plus and Nintendo Switch Two was actually still like three or four years out? I think a lot of people would be OK with that, but probably not the most popular. Most people want that full on successor. But I'm thinking it's like a next year release only April, just to line it up fair with Nintendo's own fiscal report. But November makes sense, too. You know, as much as we want, because we're we're the tech guys. We love this stuff. We breathe sleep Nintendo. If you knew that between now and next November, this is hypothetical, right? We were getting a new F zero, a new Star Fox, a new Donkey Kong, a new Kid Icarus and Metroid Prime 4 all between now and next November. Like brand new, not reports of remasters. Brand new. Would you want a Nintendo Switch Two right away? No, because there's still room left of IP that you love. So why even get the new console? If if all these yes, well, and then there's there's there's that. But 4K DLS. Yes, let's say it. How about looking great on the 85 inch TV? That'd be there. So there is a release, but do a PlayStation. It's on both. I hope they do that. But for a lot of they've never done it. But I want it on. Well, you know, Nintendo usually has moved on to the next hardware when their existing hardware or software has started to fail. They have melt the hell of it. Or when they run out of ideas or computing power to realize that software vision and they need new tech to, you know, realize it. They haven't run out of ideas yet, seemingly on this platform. But it's got to be winding down. Going on seven years. It's not going to last 40, right? We're closer to the end of the beginning at this point. Well, they said seven to ten. Those that's the timetable. They, Nintendo technically gave at our investors meeting with seven to ten years, March 20, 2027. That's not into the switch to everyone's wrong. It's going to last three more years, four years. Look, I love Switch. And if they keep giving me bangers, like tears of the kingdom, another Mario, three Mario, like, look, they keep giving bangers. I'm going to be happy. It just was excitement. When we reach the point that gives it all, we only get like one smash per generation. Smash was 2018. And now we're almost to 2028. I have a problem now because it's now been like 30 years. It feels like since the new Mario Kart, like it just something just doesn't feel right. And then you move the Mario Kart DLC. This was talked about when the DLC was announced. Oh, it conveniently ends at the end of end of this year. Does that mean there's a transition?  It just, I don't know. It just feels like they're moving to, at least I hope they are. I hope this isn't Nintendo. If this was, you know, if Iwata was still alive and I wish he was, this to me would just be like, OK, we're getting the full 10 years. They're milking this. They're going to keep, but something just feels different. And maybe it's Hopium again, making me feel like it feels different because this could literally just be Nintendo. We're milking it, we're milking it, we're milking it and we're winding down, but we're milking it and it won't be next year because we already have a game announced for next year. So it's going to be next year. It's going to be 2025, but you'll see by the fact that we have nothing coming out from June of next year when we announced the new system until the holiday of the following, which is again, Nintendo's traditional way of doing it. But then Switch came out in a nontraditional way. So I hope that opens some eyes to Nintendo, that we don't we don't need a year and a half. We can just announce and six months later, it's here. That would be great. Also, in terms of in terms of games, like we're thinking from like a first party Nintendo perspective for them not to necessarily need new hardware right now to run but run what they have in their vision. But at the same time, if you start to look at the third party landscape and developers that would like to put their game on such a popular platform, especially the successor to the popularity that the Switch has, it's going to need a successor because it's going to be cloud ports across the board or it's going to be we can't make this game run correctly. And we're like Hogwarts legacy. We got to push it till six months down the road after it was supposed to be out because we have to figure out how to get the thing to run. Also, that wasn't at the direct. That wasn't at the direct. And now I'm scared that that's another delay. It's going to get delayed or and it might not be a good example because the sales weren't great, but Marvel Midnight Suns totally canceled. You know, there's there's a lot of these games that I feel like developers start to tackle and because of the Tegrex one and how aged it is now it Nintendo is going to find themselves in a position where they only have first party support or the PS3 Xbox 360 generation ports. And you can only live off of those for so long. If you're a one console gamer, which I enjoy having the PS5 and Series X, but I get what it's like to only have one, you want to have at least some of those those PS5 Series X games coming over in some form or fashion, even if they don't look as good. But we're going to hit a drop off point where you're seeing the new Xbox and Sony showcase games. Not just it's not going to be technically possible to port into the switch. You know, so I really hope Nintendo, even though they still have some forward momentum, doesn't wait for it to totally die and wait too long. And then a lot of the people who want those third party games are going to go buy a second console and maybe not buy the new Nintendo one when it finally drops. I don't know. That's just I think I think, though, that we're in an environment now with the current leadership, like Shintara Furukawa is going to do this very calculated and numbers based. And I mean, I think even him saying like that they're worried about hitting 15 million units probably doesn't like to tell investors stuff like that. And he probably doesn't want to keep that up for too much longer. Like, I feel like they will want to capitalize and then just discount the switch and get the rest of their current inventory flying off the shelves. I still I think we're within a year, for sure, is kind of my personal prediction on it. They have a financial meeting this week. That's right. I almost forgot about that with the direct. I was like, I was like tomorrow night. Yeah, in the next day we're going to have a bunch of updates on sales and some other stuff. But what's interesting is, you know, if out of that we hear, hey, we're already under projections.  And that's after this direct, which online has mostly pretty positive reactions to it. But that's just online that doesn't always translate to like, hey, these are people who already own a switch. They got to look at how they're going to keep selling the switch. And I when I when he said those words heading into this year, that he wasn't even confident they'd hit the 15 mil, which I've never heard Nintendo say they're not confident they're going to hit a number. It was sort of him like already seeing seeing the landscape and just knowing this we're not going to hit it. And if we do hit it, it'll be a surprise to us. But we we think switches winding down and we're making decisions already based off of that. And I don't think that decision would change even if they did hit 15 million. And I don't think the decision because this is already been made. So here's hoping that. I mean, this is the way I look at it. If it's not out this holiday and it's not out in March, I hope by the end of this fiscal year, we've heard about it at least officially. Yeah, that's fair. Like at least like you can't you can't come out of this and be like, OK, we we sold 13 million. We undershot 15. Our projections for switch sales coming up this next fiscal year is now down to eight, maybe seven. And we still haven't announced the system like. I kind of feel like by the end of this fiscal year, they have to at least have hinted or just straight up announced it. They got a hint or announced before that number hit single digits like in terms of how many million you're planning. That might be one. They base when they now, even if it's not out till holiday next year, like, would they announce it before the end of the fiscal year? Yeah, if they know they're going into a financial briefing that maybe they just barely crossed 10 million in sales in the last year. Like they might be like, oh, yeah, we got to we can't be handing out projections of sales under 10. The weird thing is if the if the system were coming out in March, I feel like they'd have to announce it this year, but they won't announce it this year because then they'll tank their holiday. January. Literally January event, maybe it's a quick turnaround. They could do it like we knew about Nintendo Switch in October. Technically, yeah, right. And then they showed it in full in January, came out in March. Maybe this time it's like we don't want to butcher our holiday sales. So we're going to show it in January and bust it out in April. Maybe that's the key. Maybe the fact that Mario RPG is in November is because Nintendo is going to announce it in November. They're like, look, let's get all our sales on Mario the month before. We're going to announce it. We're going to discount switch for Black Friday. We're actually going to drop the price for once because new systems drop in March. Oh, and if they confirm backwards compatibility, the games will still. And they might even do a switch like T's because they might be like, let's repeat what switch it. Let's just give them that tease. We'll give them a three minute trailer. It's going to tease games we haven't even announced. They're going to show what the system's about. It's going to be crazy. By the way, guys, event in January for the full blowout. All they got to do is show a Wind Waker and or Twilight Princess running on that new switch. People will be over the moon. Exclusive on Nintendo Switch, too. Sorry, because on a YouTube video, would it really look that much different than the Wii U versions? It's debatable. They would have to put in additional work a lot. It'd have to be additional work or they'd have to show something new that you just look at it and go switch can't do that. I had a thought the other day. Oh, what if they wow you with that and be like, yes, which can't do that? And then I'll go, but you said in 2017, this was a switch. What if I think my trip was to come to switch? What if they made Twilight Princess look like that? Wii U tech demo they did. Oh, my God. They do that. That's why they're taking so long is because they're remaking it or not. But like uprising to that because that's just cool. Wii U tech demo was do you imagine what it could be today? Like that was a tech demo for the Wii U could technically do. I feel like at this point, they'd use that for a completely new game. They wouldn't just use it for Twilight Princess. But we finally get we finally get the new IP dropped from Monolith. So they've been working out forever. That would be amazing. And it turns out that it's just this. I mean, if look, if anyone's going to push a system and just drop something epic looking. I mean, hey, Monolith was there. You're one of the switch with Xenoblade 2. Yeah, they definitely don't have another three of the door and other teams have been working on this forever. They probably at some point decided, look, we're going to be a next generation game. Anyways, I think that's going to do it for the podcast this week. But unless you guys anything else you want to add, I had one question for the panel. Yeah, one game we didn't talk about in the first thing was Detective Detective Pikachu 2. Do you guys think with that announcement of the game? Does that give any sort of hope for the the movie? I think Blu-ray sales are going to go up. I mean, the latest info on the movie wasn't it that wasn't it that they're that they're trying to get it back up again? I think so. I think we're still in limbo, though. I thought they got a director. I thought that was the last update was that they got a director. Yeah, I'm probably more interested in the movie than the game, to be honest, if the if a sequel comes out again. I mean, that trailer didn't do anything for me for the detective. It looked a little weird, like I'm not a huge Pokemon guy, but it looked like the graphics were a little rough. Like, especially compared to something like Super Mario RPG or Super Mario Wonder, like, I don't know. Well, it looked like it was built in the Scarlet and Violet engine, which, you know, think what you will about that. It's a fun game, but the games don't look good. And so, I mean, yeah, I will wish Bandai Namco was so good because of how they've had a poke and tournament and you keep them on snap. Like, that's a great point. Give them a title like Detective Pikachu and like, I mean, a really cool Pokemon game. I like the voice acting. I think it's going to end up being a quality game. It just there's just something that just feels like it's a little last gen. I don't know why. I mean, I don't visually not. It just doesn't look like a modern game.  Also, they did that. They do have a director and they have a writer. And it was officially confirmed earlier this year that Detective Pikachu is happening. It is happening for sure. Tentative of a 2024 release. But to me, that's a quick turnaround. I would probably more expect a 2025. It depends on when they start filming. If they start filming by the end of the year, yeah, maybe. It could be a late year. Yeah, maybe. And it is live action, but then you got time for the CG. So who really knows? But yes, Detective Pikachu 2 movie. The reason it was in the movie was technically they announced there would be a sequel back in 2019. But the reason everyone was like, oh, well, maybe there won't be was because the lead actor from the movie said in 2021 that he hasn't heard anything at all. And it's like, oh, well, would you be in the next one? And then there was all the things where there was a script at one point, then it got scrapped. But now the only thing I can think right now is they're technically is a writer strike. So even though it has a writer, is that writer part of that strike? Don't know. Probably. If I had to guess. And that will lead to a delay as well. So, you know, it's one of those things that it might not come for a little bit, but it definitely sounds like yet we're doing it. And now, hey, look, there's another game coming out. They just saw the success of the Mario movie, which who knows?  And the first one was already well received and performed. Well, so they already know that people are going to be excited for a second one. And who and I don't have the data on what their Blu-ray sales and streaming watches were. They could have they could get an even bigger audience on the second one, potentially, if that performed really well in those markets. So and that that's why I think the next Mario movie potentially could be a two billion movie, which is crazy to think because of the streaming market and when it hits there, like if it's doing crazy number of streaming wise, like, yeah, that could lead to a two billion. If it hits two billion, that's putting it up there in, like, the top 10. Yeah. Highest pressing movies of all time. It's already top 20. It's 18, yeah, I was going to say. That's incredible. Yeah. It's technically number two on the animated side if you don't count the Lion King, which most people don't. So I'll take top two. Yeah, there's so much debate around the Lion King because Disney will tell you it's live action. But then everybody knows there's no live action. Right. It's like, yeah, you might have recorded an actual animal on the set, but that's not actually the animal that's in that we're seeing on screen. It's CG. It's animated. Like VR cameras were used in a real live space, but imposed were animated. Yes, you can call like Avatar is not technically an animated film because they actually have live people, not just the CG. Like there's actual people on a camera in the movie, but that's not the case in Lion King. It's literally like not even the world they're in. It's just it. So that's the problem. That's why it's like, do we count it? Because Disney don't count it, but it technically is. It's just a lot of people also don't want to count it because they think it's a bastardized form of the original. It is. I don't even know how to perform that well. To be completely honest, 1.6 billion.  I know how I performed that well because Lion King's huge guys. Because Seth Rogen was in it and Mario. There's the key. Well, I mean, the thing about how big Lion King was. Yeah, it was massive in the 90s. But even since it kept alive Broadway and like it's a massive IP for them. So yeah, I mean, even a really crappy version like that's going to do well because people wanted it. It also had a lot of big names attached to it. So. Well, they went all in for trying to get attention. It didn't turn out very well. But I mean, at least that's my opinion. I don't know if that's the case. Look, it did well. So then maybe, maybe I'm wrong. But a lot of these real life adaptions haven't done that well in my opinion. Anyone see a little mermaid by the way? I'm just curious. I thought I thought that was great. I want to go see it. I have a friend who saw it who said it was OK. Yeah, it's one of the better ones. And I want to go. I want to go see it to form my own opinion. Yeah, I think it's one of the better ones. I saw it. I don't want to say better ones. It's like, oh, well, the bar is so low. Did you like the Aladdin though? Because I thought Aladdin was good too. I liked one thing I liked about the Aladdin one is they didn't try to recreate the original. And that's one thing I really liked about it. It kind of went in its own direction with the same base storyline underneath it all. And I actually found it to be enjoyable. I think that's what there's another one coming too. I think they announced that already. So I really enjoyed Aladdin.  It had the same story beats, but they did their own thing. And yes, that to me, the problem with a lot of them is they're trying to recreate the magic of that and doing it the same way and just thinking, oh, because we have live actors or we have this. Like, that's not things that work in the cartoon don't work in this way. But I will say that Little Ruby, so far to me it was one of the better ones, but Aladdin's my favorite of all the ones that have been done. Absolutely. My favorite is Beauty and the Beast. And you know what? I'll out myself right now. I think the live action Beauty and the Beast is better than the animated one. Objectively. I think it's more watchable today than the original. The original is comparative to movies today is it's very slow, very, very, very slow. And while there's magical moments in it that people will always remember because they were amazing. I do kind of agree with you that I think the current live action one was at least more watchable I think with a modern audience than the old one. You put the old one on, the people that are going to go crazy for it are nostalgia nuts. But if you show a new audience, I think they'll prefer the new one. Just wait for the new one. Well, that's my opinion. I don't know, I'm not a new audience because I grew up with Beauty and the Beast. Eric's going to be shaking his head. No, no, no, he hates it. He hates the new one. I don't think there's a single one you like. I've never once had you tell me, have you seen this? It's good when it comes to one of the remakes. Can't wait for the live action Mario movie remake? 2030. Surprising, Incredibles hasn't happened yet with all the superhero movies out there. Oh, I can see that. And Cars. No, here we go. You have to be creepy. I'm sorry. Cars need to stay cartoon-free. That's nightmare fuel. Look, I know we can transform. Live action. I actually would be interested in the Choo Choo Trials live action. Let's go. That'll be a horror film. I'd watch every one of those. That'd be one of those one star B tier indie films. And I'm just gonna love it because some of those are just great. I'm actually kind of looking forward to the Five Nights at Freddy's movie in October as someone who doesn't like the games at all. I'm actually. That's one that helps. If you don't like the games at all, then maybe that, you know, I still haven't seen the last of us yet. Oh, yeah, I need to watch that. I've heard good things, but it's like haven't quite seen it yet. I know I'm gonna dive in before the next season comes, but any guys catching the last season of Witcher 3 with Henry? I haven't even watched the first one. Yeah, I got to start that series. I haven't checked it out at all yet. I've heard good things though. They're supposedly already going season four, but Henry's out. So. Yeah, it's Chris Hemsworth or Liam Hemsworth. Liam Hemsworth. Yeah. They can't afford Chris Hemsworth. I mean, maybe they can. But I don't know. You make what? Four Avengers movies and the fourth or movies? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they had them in. Well, it wasn't either. Isn't he the guy in Extraction? Like the new Extraction 2 that just came out? Isn't that, isn't that Chris? Oh yeah, that's true. So I'm saying, and maybe he's come down a few notches from those days. No, he's not. Dustbusters also. Yeah. His price might not be as high as it once was when he was still an active Avenger. And he's still technically been active in that last movie, but I just don't know we're going to see him that much. I've actively avoided the flesh. I thought it was great, but I'm in a minority where most people I've talked to said like, it was either yeah, pretty good or no, I didn't like it. And I'm like, my wife and I have such a good time. Look, I saw it solely because they brought that Batman, that particular Batman back. So I watched it, he made the movie. He's in the trailers. It's not a spoiler. He made the movie. There's a lot of people who written saw the movie for that exact reason. Yeah. They were counting on that. He made the movie for me.  How he runs. I know they actually made a joke about it in the movie. They made a joke about how he runs because it looks so bad. You can't be the Flash and run like, it's so bad. It's so bad. They knew it. They like, they made for like, we already knew he ran like this because of a prior movie. But it's like, it's bad. And some of the CG is just bad.  Did you like the other stuff, not to spoil it for others? Yeah. I know. I don't want to go into like too deep into it. It's pretty cool stuff, right? The bonus is. Yeah, there was a pretty cool stuff. So, but, but I'm still, I still don't like this version of Flash and maybe it's just because I really like the TV series so much better. Ezra Miller is also, Ezra Miller is a hard person to separate art from artists. It's hard to like at the moment, or he's probably always gonna be hard to like, I think at this point. And it sucks because they said they're not gonna replace him if they do more stuff with the Flash, which I think is the wrong move. Yeah. I think, I think fine.  I thought that's what the Flash was. People would be happy with that. I think because even though they don't like the direction that the CW Flash series is going in to end everything and haven't liked it for a few seasons, almost everyone liked it at the beginning. And if you reset with new writing, I think people would dig him on the big screen. But I don't know, DC's going through a lot. And for some reason, Flash is the one thing. Like the reboot and other things. Hey, forget you, Superman. We got to reboot you too. We got to reboot this. We got to reboot that. But we're keeping Flash. Don't worry about it. If Marvel can replace people and... Marvel's got their own people to replace now. Anyways, some donation, you want to tell people where they can get you? What you got coming up? Yep, absolutely. So some donation on YouTube. That's where I'm posting content. If you want to connect with me any other way, Twitter is the only other social media I'm somewhat active on. On YouTube, six videos, sometimes occasionally seven. News, focus, videos, topical discussion, news, rumors, leaks, all that good stuff. We talk about it all. Everything pretty much based around Nintendo Switch, although there is the occasional other company that is covered in there, but primarily Nintendo Switch's focus stuff. And yeah, we're going to be talking about a lot of these direct games on individual videos coming up too. So definitely tune in for that. And I'll be back in the future, I'm sure. So I appreciate everybody coming out tonight. I feel like there's going to be some bro playing a game talking about something. You like me playing a 2D Mario talking about 2D Mario or something like that? Yeah, yeah. I just kind of get a feeling that's coming. It's a good go-to. Oh, those are some of my favorite ones. Paul Gale, that work. Where can they find you? And you got anything going on? Anyone on me? On Twitter, I'm pretty regular. Sometimes drop in some random facts like today's, you know, Mario, Zelda, Metroid fact. Some sale figures thrown out there that haven't been mentioned.  And we haven't met, so I can make the list. Well, we'll meet one day in person and you could be on the page. There we go, there we go. Life goals. Life goals. Swimming in your Mario pool. That's a life goal. Right? You know, one of these summers, we're both July birthday guys, so, right? You know what I'm saying? You see, one of these days, they'll confirm Nintendo at Summer Game Pass, then I'll go to it in person myself and then. I don't know, you'll swim in there. I'm on YouTube also. The only big YouTube project is, I think I mentioned it last time, is my Super Saiyan transformation video part two. You know, I'm still working on the sequel, but I'm working out now for that sequel video that I'm doing. Yeah, don't mess with Paul Gale. I still have to change. Don't mess with him. Yeah, he's getting in shape when he's already in shape. It's gonna be great. I can't wait. I'm not in shape for the what he wants to be in shape for, but he's, yeah, yeah. I don't know if they're ever out of shape. You're in off-season shape. Off-season shape, yeah. Anybody who thinks, like, I should just tell this randomly, not to take up too much time, but anyone thinks like, oh, these actors and the people that look amazing look like that all year round? No way. Unless if you get paid constantly to look like that, it's very difficult to do. Yeah, maybe the rock. He's like the one guy. I'm like, I don't really know that his physique changes. He just keeps it. Constantly. Otherwise, you look awesome for three months and then the rest of the night is like, you're normal good, but not impeccable. That's a very small time. That's for acting. That's for a role. Or for Super Saiyan. Just for a YouTube video, that's awesome. Yeah, nice. But yeah, that's what I'm at. I'll get all that work done. Cool. Thank you. So Nick with no K, you know, I like, I guess this is your thing. You talk, you talk about it because I actually started watching the other thing. But you know what, this is your time to shine. You tell them what's up. So I'll take like, not a super long time. Yeah. So for those who have watched before, I used to be a rep for the Joystick Drift podcast and I am not anymore. Not because of any bad blood or anything. Like I literally was talking to them a few hours ago. We're all still friends. It just came down to, I didn't have the time to work a full-time job and run two podcasts. And that was the one that had to go for me. They're still doing stuff on their own. And you know what, more power to them. I really want them to continue it because we all worked really hard to get over that monetization goal. And I wish them nothing but the best. So right now, if you want to, you know, follow me and my projects, I'm doing the nerdiest podcast that has been my go-to project for the last four years. We're actually about to hit episode 100 in a couple of weeks. Nice, that's cool. So that's my podcast. We talk movies and TV shows, but we did just do an episode on Tears of the Kingdom because it was kind of a big deal. So we sneak the occasional gaming episode in there every now and then. So that's where I'm at. You can also follow me on Twitter at nerdiestnick. And I just, I tweet stuff, honestly. I just use Twitter for fun as it was probably not intended for it, but that's how I use it. That's a bad idea. Sorry, I just love that comment. So Darren, look, I don't even know where to tell you to find it anymore besides Twitter. And you don't even really tweet that much. So I don't even, who are you? I don't tweet that much. People only know you because of here. That's just, that's just to be honest. You're like another Eric on Twitter. And I took it out. Was that all the informal days that haven't mattered in too long? Random, random stuff, either video games or football or random drunk thoughts. I wouldn't bother following me on Twitter. It's a nightmare. Just listen to my rambling on this podcast. That's it. There's some interesting things on that Twitter. At RealDern, for those that want to sink into the madness. And then there's Eric. Who stupidly closed out of his web browser. Not realizing that his web browser is how the podcast. Yeah, no, I realized that the second I hit the closed button, I'm like, I was like, I don't think the hardware glitched out.  I figure after being into how many episodes this is episode 25, but this particular way that we've done it has been happening since episode 25. Or episode one of this one that was technically, well, whatever, we won't get into how season two started. It was weird. But you figure after how many weeks of being on this that had, you know, understand basic concepts of, I don't know, PCs and how the internet works, but apparently I don't. Not today. Well, the way your days go out here. I know, right? Yeah. All right. Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in. This was episode 25. We'll be back again next week. Episode 26. We got, I can tease it. I already announced it. I guess we have Zach from SwitchForce coming on next week and potentially HMK. We'll see HMK is always like a, I'll be there and then maybe. And I don't know. And then he'll dip out in half hour anyway. So that's the HMK way. But you know, he will be back someday, maybe next week. He might be the other one. We'll have to wait and see on that. But I want to thank everyone for being here. Thank you so much for sticking by.  Have a good, have a good night everyone. Bye everyone. Later. Bye. The awkwardness until it ends.