Welcome to the 1878 FM podcast! It is episode 29! It is the Holy Trinity today because the ever present Mr Vitty is otherwise engaged this week. He's held in there for 28 episodes. He couldn't make it today, which is fair enough. He's probably cycling while taking pictures and during whatever whatever Yn ddweud yr yddi'r bus is oed, mae gennych'r bus yn ddod. Rwy'n credu am y ffaint. Rydyn ni'n gobeithio, rydyn ni'n gobeithio'n gwneud am y sefydliadau a mae gennych rôl o'r cyllidau ac mae'n galw i'r cyfeirio cerddau o'r cyflosio. Rydyn ni'n gobeithio bod yna'r cyflosio'n gweithio, rydyn ni'n gobeithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Rydyn ni'n gweithio'n gweithio ac mae'n gweithio'n gwneud o'r cyflosio, Rwy'n digwydd ydy'r David yn ddech chi,oli'n i'r Tony, gynnyddio'n ddweud i'n ddweud i yno, ac yn ddim yn ddechrau i'r Hwnty, gwrs gwneud ynddi? Rwy'n credu'n gwneud eich hwyl ar y hollol i'r gymhwyno. Rwy'n credu'n gwneud? Rwy'n credu'n gwneud eich hwyl, rwy'n credu'r hwnnw, rwy'n credu'r hwyl ar y hollol i'r cyffredin. Dyna, rydyn ni'n ffawr, ond rwy'n credu'n gwneud ar hyn i diolchol yma. Felly, mae'n amlwg yn dweud o'r mewn social media o'r byd, mae Dave yn yn y bair yng nghymru. Mae'n gweithio i'r ddweud o'r pob ddweud o'r byd. Felly mae'r 50 pound cerddau. Felly, Dave, mae'n gweithio, mae'n ddweud o'r byd neu'n ddweud o'r bobl i'w ddweud. Felly mae'r rhaid i'r rai o'r Cyngor, ond mae'n olygu gyd, y cyngor mae'n gweithio'n ddeunydd. Felly mae'n gweithio'n ddweud o'r cyngor.wyr ddim yn ffordd. Ymweld llawer o'r adrwyng â'i ddw i hyn. Mae'r neu ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae'r ddweud o gyau rwyf. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae'n ddweud o'r adrwyng o'r ddweud. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r adrwyng o'i ddweud. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r edrych. gyda'r bwysig dros y ddwyf yn fetydd. Yn amgylchedd o'r dwy wahanol, ydych gyrraedd mawr wedi gweldio'r ddofod. Roedd y cyffredin Davies. Mae'r meitrix, a David iddyn nhw, ychydig i. Rallwedd eich cymaint, Ciano Ryw. Ychydig. Ddiwedd Dma mor ddweud dwi'n adrodd i'n arddir y rwyf. Mae'r adrodd o'r adrodd i'ch erioedd o'n ar attackedu. A dyna'r hyn oetín boblion ar ddisig... Mae byddai'n gwybod i'r defnyddol. Fy modd byddai'r 90 o'r ymwneud i'r Olympiais yn 2012. 2012 yn y llythdoedd yn eich bwysig yn fwy o'r llynig. Fydden nhw'n 2012, fydd yn ychydig yn ymddangos. Felly, dwi'n ei wneud, fyddai'n gwybod i'w ddangos o'r bobl. Fy fyddech chi'n gweithio'r hyn o'r rhan o'r llys? Cwrs, rydyn nhw'n nhw'n rhan o'r ddiddorol. Felly, dwi'n rhan o'i bod yn fan i'r bobl. Rwy'n credu Garry Davies, ond byddai'r bwysig yn gynllun. Rwy'n credu gynnig. Rwy'n credu gynnig. Rwy'n credu gynnig. Rwy'n credu gynnig. Rwy'n credu gynnig. Rwy'n credu gynnig. Rwy'n credu gynnig. Andy, ar y dyfodol yng nghymru, yn ymgyrch ar gyfer y ddiadol. Rwy'n cael ei bwysig. Rydych chi'n amser i'n rwyf yn cael ei ddweud. Rwy'n cael ei ddweud. Rwy'n credu'r ddweud. But out saying it's bad, Andy could walk down the street without a problem now. I mean, everybody's Andy and nobody's Andy. That's the unique selling point of Andy Bush. That's Andy Bush.  They were huge. These guys were huge, weren't they? I did a Radio One Roadshow at Torrabbi Meadows in Torquix. I remember going to that and Beats International played with Dobby. It's a death. Norman Cook was in them, wasn't he? Rydw i chi'n gwybod, a'n gwybod erfyrdd. Olwch defnyddio hwn i ddefnyddio, i ddлиfio y gweithio ar yrcan, ei was inni, mae'y gweithio'r Gymraeg a'r unrhyw gweithio blwys. Byddai'n trofyn o'r cyfatt. Mae'r ymarfer yn cael y legendaeth. Felly, dyna dyn nhw'n rhoi syniad. Mae'n rodio'r llei'r llwythbwyniad. A dyna ni'n dweud y rharwch hwn yn gyffinol, mae'n gyffinol o rhan i hyffinol i gyd....... Mae nolw. pan oeddwn i gael radio, oedd yn cael eu gwahanol â'r cyfnoddol, ac mae'n cael ei fan i ddechrau am 6 oed ar gweithio i'r cyfnoddol yn Dylunio Aquinasig a Bristol. Mae'r ffrind ychydig, ond mae'r ffrind i gael, mae'r ffrind i gael i gael gynnwys ymddangos i'r dda i ddechrau i gyda'r ddigon ac yn gilydd i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i ddechrau i'r ddweud i ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud. Rwy'n gynhaib yn go i, maen nhw'n meddwl i'n cael ei wneud i chi i wneud eich dyfynol ar y dyfynol a'i'r gweithio ar y cyfaint. Rwy'n gweithio'n gweithio a'r gwell sy'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Rwy'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio am ein bod yn gyffordd yng Nghymru, ac yw'n gweithio'n rhodi syrbwyllionedd. Eryd wedi'u gweld llawer o blaesio lle yn cyd-dwylliant Yu Wylschyr o'r Plygu Hyrbyn? Mae ynghylch yn fawr i'r gweld llawer o myfyrdd café'r cyllid yn teimlo i borders. Mae'r rhaid i'r gweld e'r gweld ei wneud o beth hyn. Mae'rvein a'r ddweud o amgylchedd ar gyflwg o'n cymrydd." Mae'n gweld e'r gweld i'n gymhredu. Mae'r ddweud o beth hyn yn iawn. Mae yna'r gweld? Mae yw yw gwasanaeth yn gyfan, mae yw yw ychydig. byw яa un mwyaf o anodd, byddwyd eu cyfnod o gydag gweithio ar y taw. Rydyn ni'n hyn, nid oedd yn rhywbeth. Rydyn ni'n hynny, rydyn ni wedi ddaw yn y ddechrau? Yn nhw, nid oedd ychydig yn y centre sydd y ganddi? Ie, mae'n gwyb iddordeb o'r ganddi. Rwy'n ei meddwl i'r peth o'n ei awr i'r ffordd. Rwy'n rwy'n cael y ffordd symud allan o'r dynne nesaf. Chris Warthyrman a Llywodd yn llyfrfyr, ond clasically on channel five. Fy'n rhaid i fi'n ond, Andy, to be honest. Ie, you still have a show in the 90s going into, yeah, into the, in the 80s, going on the 90s around the time of Hitman and Hare as well. And he had a show and I used to always think it was like a, well, I didn't always think, didn't think about this when I was a kid, but I thought it was like a syndicator thing that would be on loads of different radio stations, but it wasn't. He did it from town and it showed all these kids outside wanting to get his autographs and stuff again, simpler times. And then that tower, that tower had been empty for ages and he just decided he bought it cheap and just moved the radio station in there and I've done loads in there myself. I used to do, I used to do a show up there myself.  Yeah, I know. I've heard some mad stuff about it. I didn't, I'm sure it's completely safe, but when it was quite windy up there, you do feel it move slightly. It was a little bit like, oh my God. When you stopped talking, you feel it, don't you Bas? We've done loads of shows up there, me and Bas as well and you feel it, but what I would say is though, I remember once, I don't know why we did it, but we decided to run down the emergency staircase right to the bottom, from the top to the bottom and when we got to the bottom, we found that the doors were locked, so we had to run all the way back to the top again. My producer had that situation. He tried to let me in because I arrived after him and he got, he couldn't get out. There was no one there. That's the weird thing is you think there'd be loads of people there and there isn't. There's literally just, we had to go and get a security guard for the other side of the shopping centre to let us in. I think you're missing the key part about having to run from the top to the bottom though and then back up again. I mean, I literally mean run. There's no lifts involved. I had to run from the top to the bottom back to the top again. It was like 90, what was it? 90? It was a crazy amount of stairs. Like an endurance Tesla, but you guys have just given me a great idea and again, we'll need to run this by Dave, but what about toffee TV roadshow?  Yeah. You got locked up for that now though, wouldn't you? Yeah, it's a different game. It's a different era. Although with Dave, I remember doing, and I'm sure he'd tell the story much better because he was there, but he did a bit of a tour once with Radio One and he drove round classic cars. I think he was out of driving kit from night ride there, or he might have been in the 18 van. It does sound pure viti. Dave, then minister say, that's classic viti and that is something that should really be held for next week. Oh yeah, I'm just laying the ground with Dave.  He cycles around a lot. He seems to have his feet up on seats, enjoying beers in country pubs at the end of cycles. I feel like he might have won the lottery. Do you think Dave might be like a secret lotto winner? Didn't go for the big check and champagne thing in the local paper and kept it quiet. He does live a very luxurious lifestyle, doesn't he? He's paddled board and pasties, man. I know, paddled board and pasties. Paddled board pasties, goes for the run, gets out on his bike, takes pictures. He's living a proper, like, he's just out in the country. Do you know what he reminds me of? Do you know what he's saying? Countryfile. Again, no, I'm not sure. I'm not sure this reference will hit with you, but it might with Dandy. He reminds me like he lives in the village from Hothfos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen Hothfos. He's got that kind of like, there's a sinister edge to it. The village. But like, there's something, like, and I'm not saying sinister is in, like, criminality. I mean, there's something else just below the same. And that might be a lot if he went, but it feels like that the village life is just to keep it all under wraps. Do you mean like League of Gentlemen, kind of mock-tuder and bleeding those butcher? I'd expect Dave to turn up when I'd admit some of matters in one of those villages, because I think he'd fit right in there, or I'm watching a Beyond Paradise at the moment, which is a spin-off in Death in Paradise. I've been watching that. And it's nice because the scene is great. I love Death in Paradise and that's the fella from it. But Dave could quite easily be there, couldn't he? Just in that village is part of, he just seems that kind of... Part of me feels though that the Dave Vitty, no wonder we talk about Paul McCartney buying in 66. I'm not saying Dave Vitty died. I'm just saying the Dave Vitty from the Radio One Days doesn't necessarily tie up with the Dave Vitty now. Dave Vitty presents, or is a producer of, an EFL podcast and one where women sit round talking about life, that's fine. And cars. And that doesn't necessarily tie up with the rock and roll lifestyle of meeting rappers in New York and going on road shows. And I feel like that's someone, he got very much like Michael Knight in Night Rider. Michael Knight. Michael Knight off the fella who tried to buy him at the end of the night. That's completely different. Juggle and football. But I feel like he lives a different life because he is, in fact, a different person. But everyone's been putting witness protection as Dave Vitty, because who'd go after Dave Vitty? Who'd go after Dave Vitty? No one. Well, me think one person. I think one. I think one. I think if you... Let's move on. I think if you...  And it was like, I'm on the precipice here. I can have another go and fall off or I'm going to spin it right round. As Dave, in other words, as Dave Vitty found God. The thing is right. I think if you work in a breakfast show environment, it's so pressurised.  And it's so... You're all so tired. It's really hard. I think I feel like being in a breakfast show environment like Dave was in. It's a bit like... Because I did it for 10 years myself in Bristol. It's a bit like being in a band. It's like, when it's great, it's brilliant. But then there's a lot of hanging out with each other when you're tired and you don't want to talk and all that kind of stuff. It's really... That sounds like it, yeah? That's right, Will. Yeah. It's up here. It sounds like... Yeah, but you guys, you know what it's like. It's sometimes when you have to be on point and perform at the drop of a hat and sometimes you don't want to do that. It's the last thing you want to do. And it takes a little bit to pull yourself up like that and be happy and everything sometimes. It does take a bit of your soul. It's like a deal with the devil sometimes, isn't it?  I mean, I think that the next thing that Dave could do if we were to talk about the Midsumon murders angle, what about Dave Vitty investigates? And it's Dave cycling around on his bike in that area that he lives in. I don't know what area he lives in, in the countryside. And maybe he comes across crimes or he gets embroiled in crimes and helps to solve them with him. So, he's almost going to be like a modern dig, like Miss Marple, because she rode the bike, didn't she, in the area? What did Dave have to say? Well, he drove, though, didn't he? But he could be a more, you know, thinking about the earth type of person, you know, trying to save the environment so he uses his bike, thus giving himself better health and also almost like him. But like a Mr Pinkwissily type would be equaliser or Miss Marple. What if he has to solve a crime? But he's got a sports watch on. And if his heart rate either goes below something, like speed, you can't solve it. It has to be like, you know, yeah. I can't think of what the name would be for him, shall I? What about this? Again, just spitball in some ideas for Dave Vitty investigates. Dave gets involved, he's got like ESP powers, right? He goes and visits the crime scene, does some investigations. Then he goes into a bit of a trance, puts his sports watch on, and just runs. And then when he gets home, almost passes out. But when in the next day, when he checks his computer and looks at his run map, it draws the face of the person who perpetrated the crime. I mean, I like it, it's a work in progress. I like it. So he'd almost wouldn't. ESP is actually a sensory perception for people. But so he wouldn't know where he was running almost. Would he be taken over by this ESP? You may know the Native American that used to take over Derek Acoura, who's probably now not really got any work now. Oh, yeah, what was his name? Sam, wasn't he? Sam, yeah. I don't know, maybe Sam from Derek Acoura, Sam is the person that's channeling through Dave and is drawing the picture for him. Who knows, do you know me?  It's got Channel 5 written all over it. It has, absolutely. That's my name. That's my name. 1am till 2am. Exactly, absolutely quality. Or Channel 4, after naked attraction.  That's chicken. If you haven't had enough of Bush, wait there and Bush after the break. Exactly, yeah, you could listen. It works for me. Let's just quickly, briefly, very briefly, quickly, very briefly. There's no football. I want Andy's opinion on the latest instalment of Everton Football Club. Andy, obviously, since you were last with us, Everton have managed four weekends unbeaten, which is incredible. It's incredible. I'm including this weekend, of course. And just when you were like us, maybe thought, well, first a nice weekend, this weekend, no worry. I don't have to worry about anything. I don't have, without Everton, ruining it. We got the news on Friday that they have been referred to an independent commission to basically get a decision on whether Everton broke the profit and sustainability rules. Just watch it very, very briefly and we'll go back to non-Everton stuff. What was your initial thought and how are you looking at it now? Well, I'm at the stage which I imagine a lot of Evertonians are at work. I get affected by stuff. I don't have the highs and lows of last season because I feel so beleagu'd by it all. It's kind of like, you couldn't make it up, to be honest with you. It just goes from bad to worse for this football club. Just when you think you can't be hurt anymore, then something like this comes along. I don't know which one of you guys tweeted it, but you made a very good point that there's teams in this league that can scandalously escape, as you mentioned that on Twitter, and then what we might have spent a few quid in maybe the wrong department of trying to sign some players whilst we're desperate to survive and that's getting more light-shown on it than what those guys did. Or you've got Manchester City, which are currently being investigated for all sorts, or the weird stuff contract-wise that's going on with Chelsea with their eight-year contract. Weird loophole that Chelsea have come up with, but still Everton are the team they want to focus in on. The problem I've got is that sometimes I don't want it to take the focus off the fact that the club is still horrendously run, so I don't want it to look like it's out of our control, we're a victim in all of this. We're as much to blame in all of this, it's just another facet of our incompetence, but at the same time, you can't help feeling that we've got some kind of hex on us or something. You can't make it up, I think that's how I feel. I don't know too much about it. If it comes through and we have found guilty, is that this season penalty, is it a transfer ban or what do you think the outcome would be? I personally think it'll be a fine and a threat almost like a suspended sentence. That's my initial feeling on it, is that it'll be that. I don't think there's seen things of points deductions, bounced around, I've seen things of this happening and that happening. I think they're in the extreme. You get a nine-point penalty if you're going through administration and whatever and you've done is nowhere near that. Therefore, I think anything like that would be crazy harsh. Is it one particular sign that they're looking at? These rumours yesterday, people were saying it was one sign and other people have said it's one year. The big issue I had with the landing you're absolutely right about not taking the spotlight off ever and this does not absolve Everton from the way they've rammed themselves. It's shocking. Even though I've just been moaning the rules, the rules are there and only we've broke them. No-one else has come in and spent the money without us. We've done it ourselves. The rules could be changed and should be, I believe, but the rules are there and we're in them at the moment. My issue with it is that if the Premier League were holding our hand as we did things which they were, we couldn't sign anybody without them saying so. How come the year they were doing that is the year they've kind of said we've broke the rules. Now we don't know do we? There hasn't come out what the issue is and I think, I don't know whether you've seen anything when John was on with me yesterday John our business expert but what he was saying yesterday was he made a good point. The Premier League said you need to recoup let's say it's £90m £100m by the end of the financial year. Otherwise you've broken these rules and Evan said we'll do it. And he sold Richard Charleston but that was only £60m of it then there's still a £40m surplus there that Evan had agreed to. So I don't know whether it's something like that. Is that an explanation as to why the Richard Charleston money's never been reinvested then? Could that be the answer to why we were wondering where it's gone? In anarteta type sense if you know what I mean. It had to go in the box didn't it? Ultimately we've seen there might be something similar with Chelsea this season because ultimately I think what would have helped is you do need there does need to be a simplification of these rules. It is like number one. It really is, it's like well if you do this and you do that you can put it down over five years but they put it down over one year. There just has to be a simplification of the rules so that we all understand because it is still a sort of working class ball where you're only supposed to care what happens on a satyr or Sunday afternoon or a Monday night or a Friday night or whatever. And then suddenly we as the punters are supposed to understand it because otherwise it leads us to all these issues in a modern world and it's just getting more and more easy by John.  What about this though Paddy? You get an estate agent on board to sell your house and then they make a mistake they know the rules of how you buy and sell houses and where you've got to put the money and the forms you need to fill in. So if they then mess that up then that's just like another element of professional competition so I'd love to know who that is at Everton Football Club this. Not put the right form through or taking the money out the wrong bit or what I mean what is it? You might have done like more than one bank account where you have like bank account where you have money and one bank account and then you put it in another for the bills maybe. I haven't done that maybe someone's put it in the wrong bank account and that's where it is. A nicer. It's got a mature. You've got to go into the branch. You've got to go into the branch. Richard Masters has just told MPs that he cannot possibly comment on whether the Premier League is investigating Newcastle sadly ownership. How can he not possibly comment because if there's an ongoing investigation he couldn't possibly tell them. That means that he is. That sounds like that. I don't know. You get privilege on you there but they will be investigated because they've done something that was allegedly illegal as well. It's John's made a good point though it should be online for everyone to see. We should have a. We don't have to know the ins and outs but we should have a basic. It's a huge part of the game now people are talking about it all the time but without really understanding and when you hear people saying things like well we bought this many players and we sold that many players I mean that's not how it works. But how as the normal person suppose you understand all this we're told on Friday we're basically being punished everyone sort of goes mad. Everybody starts going oh we're going to lose points we're going to be relegated. There'll be no further comment from the football club or the Premier League. So that leads to all kinds of mad speculation of what's going to happen and leaves the average fan scratching the head about what's going on. A game for all. How can it be a game for all when you don't even know number one what you've done wrong and number two what the punishment might be. Have you seen the way they sign I'm not saying it was a bit of a fly on the wall documentary but Sunderland till I die was just a really interesting insight I think what goes on on Transfer Deadline Day is just madness in terms of using faxes and all this kind of stuff which no one else uses so you look at that process and think that is probably open to people screwing up filling in the wrong forms or using their isa when they should have used that the house account. David The Hale would be a relatively good player by now wouldn't he if the fax machine had been working. No it is ridiculous it is like when you see them all running around like lunatics when it's like a billion billion pound sport and yeah it is all these just really weird things really stupid rules like it needs to be simplified so that the average man can understand and even if that doesn't have to be like the finances that should just be like the punishments and why you got punished and come out and like even on Friday nights it was like well they haven't been charged because no one's used the word charged but you have been charged the premium you've charged and now it's going to go to an independent court case you can't even use the right terminology so you've made it complicated you've almost created your own little grey area so that maybe ever now in the wrong or maybe in the not we'll find out you wouldn't have this in the real world then I don't understand with the sport which is the most popular sport in the world why you would make it so complicated for people to follow because we're all entangled now aren't we we live by it day and night then you get stupid articles in national newspapers basically lying to us oh this could happen and that could happen and all it does is create worry there's no need for it no I agree, I totally agree and I think one thing that came through in lockdown was how the things that are important to people have quite a significant effect on mental health and some of the other people might dismiss it as just being ah it's just football or it's just your monthly meet up down the pub weekly meet up down the pub with your mates or little things like that that people cling onto when times are a bit shit like they are at the moment mean a hell of a lot more so having this kind of sinking feeling about Everton does affect people it's annoying because Dyche has kind of steadied the ship a little bit and it's kind of been started to look a little bit brighter but then just when this is what it's about the hope that kills you at Everton Football Club just when you think it's oh maybe we're going to be okay that's when they bring this thing out a left field and hit you with a this kind of enigma of a lawsuit that we no one understands and throw into the mix the fact that for some reason over the past couple of years our club is the worst at communicating with its fans in the entire league and it's just powder keg that's just going to go off at some point isn't it? What's really mad is the best communication we've got from anyone around Everton Football Club comes from a fella who was the best communications officer we've had in my in recent living memory and he doesn't work for Everton anymore he works at Sky Sports but he goes on does communicating from what he knows from bits and pieces of yours that's a sad indictment for Everton Football Club really that the fella they moved on because the previous CEO didn't like something that he said over ever once is a it shows how kind of shambolic Everton have been over the last 10 years and it's really sad it's really grim and you know we're just going to have to wait and see what happens with this and obviously everything else we don't know whether it'll be done quickly or I can't see it really I think they can drag this out and I was told yesterday by someone that the intention Everton feel like they've done what was asked of them and therefore they'll be rebuffing everything that's thrown at them so we'll see what happens If it is a points deduction then it will have to be settled this season though because you can't have a points deduction because ultimately like Manchester City will have loads hanging over them and this could take potentially years and then I suppose for them it's a little bit it'd be easier to take points off them because they're at the top but then trophies would have to be taken off them and things like that and that's why I can I think we'll get an embargo basically I think we'll get a transfer embargo I think that would be the simplest thing it'll be punishing us We've been doing that ourselves anyway we don't need anyone else to put an embargo Yeah but that's it isn't it before it comes in it might come in on like August the first or something and then so you've got like three or four weeks to buy us because they'd be hampering you your survival wouldn't they and even though people might rightly show other people looking it might go that's the whole point of it they're still putting your like the way it's done it is a little bit bizarre but it'll run for a bit so let's see what happens with that Andy let's move on to you um you and your salmon's making on the radio and the reason I bring this up is it was in the card the other day and your show was on and she was like oh Andy is that what you do yes that's our mate Andy so we was doing some toasties with ham and borson cheese it's like really I've no idea how that kind of idea came about if only you know if only we could go back to episode one of this um but but you were telling me that's my toastie you to that's my toastie you to ham and borson and you had to go with but listen to listen to a what they're doing tonight at time recording and we're gonna then go into what you know what the flavour is and where people can listen to this concoction so go on Andy so it started off toasty Tuesday as we call it on the show started off because my father-in-law who is from Annick in Northumberland was telling me that back in the day he started he used to work down the mines in the early days and they used to have they go to the pub afterwards and have mince beef toasted sandwiches so just like mince fried mince in a toasted sandwich and I was thinking that I mean that can't be right that can't work and we tried it on the show and it was an absolute hit it was fantastic tasted really really good so and then it got us thinking we had so much comeback on the show from absolute radio listeners we thought well maybe we do this regularly so we do a thing now called toasty Tuesday where people will suggest a toasted sandwich combination and we'll do it and we thought we had Hugh Jackman on the show about three or four weeks ago he suggested a toasty clang and we toasted that the week after and that was a hit and then we did the sorry Andy we clanged as you were saying what was Hugh Jackman's suggestion it was cheese and mango chutney and mango chutney and it was pretty good sounds like a fella who's been rich for a while yeah yeah living the dream bitty lifestyle David will have one of their more skips feet up in a pub just chillin out in the afternoon and then so the ones we're doing at the moment we did borsan and ham the other week which went down pretty well and then we're going to try borsan and chocolate this evening on the show did I reckon chocolate and cheese and stuff goes alright though I think yeah maybe if you live in the south but I don't know soft I mean it's a soft cheese the soft cheese pregnant women for me so I'm just saying you know you've got to be inclusive these days and you're being you know all the cheese is probably will be a bit mad you don't then if you toast them no I'm just saying it feels very anti pregnant women because all cheese would be soft then when you put no the difference was eating cheese being soft and spreadable cheese you know it's made soft so therefore you know it's got issues within it we just want to specifically do a run of weeks where we do brutal toasties that pregnant women can't have so we're going to have shellfish toasties next week after yes I mean I'm fully on board with that because I just feel like I just feel like yeah you're pregnant and what and what there's loads of people being pregnant why should you get my seat on the bus piss off I don't like the they've got those signs on the tube in London it's like give up your seat to someone who is who's got a disability or is pregnant or is old and I don't like making that judgement call when someone's coming towards you like how are you if you get that wrong that's really some women older women who I've given a seat to it's actually quite mortified by that if you think that they're old enough to be able to get up for them do you know what I mean I thought you were pregnant well there's that as well imagine that that is yeah that's it in the modern age I'm just going to say listen you stand there love you've got comfortable shoes on you know get on with it and you'll probably be getting off at dinner next stop because you know the shop's there or something and they say chivalry's dead it's not is it no not dead way I'll tell you what though speaking about absolute radio and radio stuff we hosted the brilliant teenage cancer trust gigs at the Royal Albert Hall the week just gone the night the richie and I did was Cossabian and when we were backstage our producer Nick texted us he was he was in our little box bit he said I swear I've just seen Everton manager Sean Dyche at the bar and I was like he can't be a Cossabian gig Dyche isn't into Cossabian I don't know what kind of music I imagine you listen to probably kind of like we're quite aggressive heavy metal but I didn't think he'd be like a Cossabian fan anyway so we went on stage did our stuff didn't think about it again and then on yesterday's show I got an email from a listener a fellow Evertonian called Michelle who was sitting three seats down from Dyche who was there in the crowd and apparently he's friends with Serge the lead singer it's classic Dyche I was gonna say he I think he has referenced he goes and he's watched them everywhere goes everywhere to watch them apparently fair play to him can I just yeah fair play to him but can I just bring something up he loves Cossabian and he loves house music you're gonna say he's in old school Raven you can tell that but I was just gonna say what's the point in having an absolute radio DJ on a podcast with you if you're not getting access to tickets for big gigs that he's hosting I can cut you guys in so you let me know does never ever like lads doing this gig do you fancy coming down a bit of moral support get together it's a lot less glamorous than it may seem but I will definitely next time in the future are we full of all pregnant women stand up do you want a ticket do you want a ticket I feel bad for Dyche because I don't know what music I had him down as being into but it sounds like he's into fairly cool stuff so good on him he loves his gigs and all that he likes live music his voice is like that he's always screaming at gigs and he always having a conversation while they're playing it's all a dry ice that's what it is it's affected them all the raves in the middle of fields on your toasties just go back to your toasties for a minute what has been the one and that has surprised you the most the one you've enjoyed the one where you looked and thought I'm not convinced that yogurt and mashed potato on a toastie will work and you've had it and it's perfect what has been the one or you just perpetually got an open mind and you're just like you know what that sounds like it'll be nice the one against a bit of another clan going on here but we had Chiara Settle who from the greatest showman gave us a suggestion and she gave us a Hawaiian recipe which is spam and scrambled egg do you love spam in Hawaii I don't why they love spam in Hawaii I don't where that's come from maybe that's what because it was a big place on the wall maybe they just got loads of tins of spam and they just continued to keep digging up no point in wasting it the mainland is ages away we've just watched white lotus we've seen the hardships they go through looks like a lot of hardship in the hotel they just keep on finding tins of spam natural thing in Hawaii you'd find we dig for call they dig for spam that could be it we scrambled the eggs in the correct way which is in the microwave if anyone wastes time doing it in a frying pan the microwave is the correct way and then chuck that on top of the toasted sandwich with some spam and it was absolutely gorgeous I've not gone on and bought spam since but it has opened my mind to maybe spam in the future spam meeting the camp you're not going to actually eat it no one should still be eating I like corned beef this is where I have to draw the line anything that you could only get during the war is not acceptable to eat now I'm sorry it's not we are almost in war time I'm a very open guy I've had a lot of things but I draw the line the man who is your of isn't's biggest fan is not allowing you to have meeting the camp we've talked about the apocalypse before I think Ned because of his food preferences would be dead in three weeks I'll be happy with that it's the end of the world mate I'm not having people sitting there eating foods that you could only get with a ration card I've got standards the French wouldn't have this the French wouldn't have this but they also will go and strike if you put petrol at one pence they will eat the horse what about a free bentos did you just like a free bentos a free bentos till I realised basically it is just a can full of nothing nice though you know what it is I think they add loads of chemicals here to convince you that the stuff in there is real like fruit the fruit is lovely the fruit is lovely are you questioning the existence of fruit I think the farmers add lots to the fruit to make it tasty because it has to compete with the Haribo March so why not why not at source this is the Ike moment I'm going to be on this podcast in the 80s the kids have got pink shell soup they were like they went to the source they went to the farmers and they said listen start putting a few is this stuff probably popping candy they probably got the little bags of popping remember that when you were a kid you're not going to go in and get it now marvellous creations you'd look weird you'd have a bite of marvellous creations it's got some of the popping thing you'd look like you were laying a trap you'd look like you were laying a trap you'd look like you were laying a trap down the street like Hansel and Gretel with popping candy so they got the seeds they got the popping candy they put it in together they added probably a chemical called M14 wide Z threw that all in you got these new apples that when you taste them and that's what we needed to compete with that because Haribo was starting to be bought back like holiday songs brought back from holidays and we was getting so cold Faberitos when they bring them back from Spain there you go remember in the 80s when you used to bring older sweets back because you couldn't get them here people started bringing sweets back the fruit market couldn't compete it was going to bankrupt the NHS because of all the kids and that's where it all started and that's my story and I'm very much sticking to it I can spirit it to you I've got a few questions here let's move on to these that's an original conspiracy I've never had popping candies being mixed in with seeds to create new fruits never put that in a tin put that in a tin Neil 1878 one of our premier members says favourite chocolate bars and if you were casting films what type of genre would you be would it be in favourite chocolate bars right away it's got to be the Yorkie okay not for girls games gone on that one games gone you probably couldn't even say not for men you couldn't say anything five guys changing their name five people that's nonsense that is definitely a headline that they put in certain newspapers to cause but anyway Andy go on you've got Yorkie what's your favourite chocolate bar do you know what just top of me yet I'm just going to throw that out facing the coming to me yet there's whisper I mean that's a shout whisper is nice and go Mars bar old school do you still have them in your pack lunch do I still have them in your pack lunch with your popping candy no me mum never gave me that do you want a gold bar do you guys want a gold bar I do yeah working down a gold man he's a kid and probably like before like 20 isn't that was caramach bars remember them I had one a while ago and I thought it's changed the way it is I remember when I was a kid I was very much like me milky way and I remember when he did the double milky way do you remember the outfit for that the red car and the blue car had a race oh yes oh yes don't get avathe like that we don't really get avathe because no one's got attention no one's got an attention to watch them anymore avathe literally I don't like that I don't like that what's the point of that it makes your mouth feel weird it's very healthy I don't like it but it is healthier than the other version just very quickly just why we were staying on to avathe for just one second have you ever been to America? oh it was a long time ago but yeah I've been a few times I did a year abroad studying at university over there so some men will tell about that I remember quite last year and obviously once we went with bars and we'd sit in the hotel room now and again and just like I've tell you on late at night and the amount of avathe in America where you're watching it it's like hi I'm Troy McClure I'm a healthcare assistant and there's this new and then at the end of it tell you all the ways that tablet could kill you it was terrifying the side effects are you would grow a new head and then it would fall off and then you would die it was ridiculous the first minute of it was telling you how amazing the tablet is now it's going to save your life and now your leg would grow back and then for the last 30 seconds telling you everywhere you could die from it but they know about medication don't they talk about medication the way we would talk about beer brands you know what I mean they're taking these Xanax they're personal positions Michael Jackson had that Doctor Conrad Murray or whatever even he was called sir killed him in the end he probably came with an avathe that said I'll make you back and make you feel good very much like Steph and Dennis did back in the 80s but I might also kill you that might have been his avathe we just don't know I can't confirm that it would have been a good avathe it would have been if Steph and Dennis would have been Steph and Dennis every time every time when he said something like that I'm on call I will be going back into neighbors because he did I've seen him in the empire once in a play Steph and Dennis was he good? he was a player in a panto that's a topic by the way you've literally ruined it I was literally just going to go that's a great segment we're coming to the end of this podcast we're not we didn't want to go on to a new thing we could have a bit where you go who's the weirdest person you know all I said was I saw Mr T in Rocky's Panto was he not club of a lang was he not club of a lang he was was he not club of a lang Professor Poopy Pants he says he's having an affair with Notts County because the local and the cheap and the wind they strike a Macaulay Lang staff it looks like he'd be Dave's mate I scored 39 goals in 39 games do you think a lower league strike it in a top Premier League you could put a lower league strike it in a top Premier League and he would still score a decent amount no he'd be shite he would be shite no he'd be shite okay that's your Andy what do you think who was the guy I really liked him he'd never really pan out for us we got him from Leeds Beckford I liked him I thought he could do some great stuff for us he scored one really great goal against Chelsea he'd walk through most of Chelsea he got 10 goals that season we killed for that now how has he changed though I think we talked about this before on the podcast the way we used to judge strikers in the past has completely changed now given the dearth of goals up front for us now you'd bite your hand off for 10 someone's scoring 10 wouldn't you we'd give him a 17 year contract if he could score 10 Mark says a bit of a joke question I don't think this is a joke question what would be your ideal top 3 essential foods in the new stadium you threw that one Arras I got up with 3 foods just quickly do it without thinking 3 that you'd definitely like to see really nice burgers nice burgers though do you know what I'd really like like bit of pulled pork bit of pulled pork I was wondering about Arras bit of pulled pork good quality burger pulled pork big slices Andy what would you like in the new stadium you can have just 3 that you'd like to go in tell you what they're good what I would like is pasties I absolutely love pasties bit of scouse get some local cuisine going in there pot of scouse with a spoon from clusty bread of course I absolutely love scouse it's fantastic and then one other thing you don't have to go with ped on the burger you can't beat a good burger what's a good shidi burger they should call it after an Everton player two shidi burgers please mate two shidis and a yakubi please mate ok and a yak burger a yak burger Andy says why do I need an air fryer just for you this just for you just sell them an air fryer in 30 seconds but I need one or she your life will be changed and there's no way I can measure that in words ok your life will be changed that's pretty profound I thought like Chaucer then Paul Bettney Chaucer I have no other reference I've never read I've never read any of his ways and he was pretty cool he was pretty cool Billy G says who on Everton staff keeps pushing the bus with robust at us it's getting pretty irritating is it Denise Prentis or is it a farad thing have you noticed this Andy a lot of Everton's fighting back at things is robust we're going to have a robust defence of this independent commission we're going to be robust in the new year as we fight relegation who's coming up with that word has someone just read the thesaurus and gone ooh I like that word I think there's been a circular can we get this word out as much as we can we're going to really go big on robust it is the era of that thing though I watched recently the thing on Sky which was like a dramatisation of Covid and the three word symbols wash your hands over it whenever it was it's a big thing isn't it get words into people's head keep repeating you know what you're saying and clearly it evidence the side but again no I imagine that Everton have brought in an outside company and they've been charged millions of pounds to come up with the word robust maybe the new stadium should be called the robust I don't know what it is if Everton people start coming out and walking out and doing that stance they stand like the marvel heroes like the atreaser millions and all of them that will be me done with them I think it's it, I don't know I've been robust I watched the have you watched Succession Andy yeah we watched the first one of the new series last night I only watched half of it because me missus fell asleep god but I loved some of the way to using that and I loved the differences there was a recap of the last season and the guy he used the main guy Brian Cox in it he's just amazing to the things he come out with it but I loved the way he said and I didn't realise he called his kids effin pedestrians and the use of the way pedestrians was just incredible in that moment and no it's just a normal way that you're using every day but it was the way he said it I could see that coming into the lexicon going yeah fucking pedestrian you are lad he should be brought into the lexicon as an insult I love it last couple Martin Kittney what three flavours of crisp would you put in a bowl to mix with to have a cold pint go on Andy you've got a chiosk got a pint at the new stadium a bowl what three flavours are you throwing in tomato ketchup flavour crisps which are the best Worcester sauce flavour crisps chicken flavour crisps boom boom boom oh my god you'll keep your bowl to yourself the Worcester I'm all David the chicken of mafia the tomato on the water are you throwing it with this can of Spam I'm going to go with sour cream chaff but I'd prefer them to be pringles pretzels I love a pretzel we're on the plane when you get them little ones I love food that other people don't like clearly give them to me then long as I'm a tin bit of barbecue I think barbecue is just safe better bit of barbecue no flavour in a barbecue do I'm going to be controversial I'm going to go with prawn cocktail prawn cocktail with barbecue that's a mad thing my palate is a delicacy of everything it's a plethora of anything Carla we will ask Dave about the 57 photo next weekend he's not here we can ask him not so paper like he says it bushes on the pot he is can you ask him how he manages to keep his shit together doing indy disco on a Saturday afternoon whenever on the plane dead easy to be recorded hey hey not having that on this that's a sacrilege you can't say that you want to start doing and I would recommend this to any other blues who have problems with their emotions during match days I don't switch my phone off don't have anything to do with it I remember reading money ball I'm an athletics manager I need to cycle around the block when the Oakland at A you didn't want the stress of it so it works and since I've been switching my phone off we've been doing alright so I'm going to long make it continue it's the way forwards find out afterwards I've done that though for different things maybe not ever I did it a couple of times as a kid but I've done that where I think more when Liverpool were going to win the league and I just couldn't handle the stress level in the league and you go for a war or a go up the park the problem is every time you hear someone scream or a child you don't know which way it might not be anything to do with it but you just think what's happened there's probably a brutal assault within the park isn't that horrible when Liverpool won the Champions League normally we'd always end up going to Wales for that because it was always halftime and when they got to the final they did ruin it for me because they couldn't watch it because we used to love watching the Champions League final and anyway when they won it against Spades it was the week later so we'd been and all they had to come home and I was like I'm not watching it and it was a lovely summer's night and I was getting a mate in the cupboard and I heard a scream immediately and I was like it's like 802 minutes you've got a penalty it's like every time last year I went to Whitby and when I got there I bumped into some reds but it is though it's that thing of it's not because it's because you don't want to be around that you don't want to be like you don't want to be prisoner in your own house and have to deal with the people who clearly have never watched the match in their lives screaming and shouting like my next door neighbour does you just want to go if you're going to win it enjoy your weekend take it, there's your bendy bully and you've got it and by Monday no one ok last couple because Andy's got to go I'm going to have to run for this train fella if you could see any musician live who has passed away Andy you would it be I never saw I would love to see Prince live and I never saw Prince live so I think it would be fantastic I'm going to go with Elvis oh yeah just watch the film just to see if he was really proper there you go tremendous Andy massive thanks thanks to everyone who got the questions in we will be back next week and hopefully well he will return from his lavish lifestyle to be part of the part once more thanks for listening and watching take it easy see you later bye


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Hello, welcome to the Donahue group. Glad you could join us for a half an hour of interesting conversation of mostly local flavor. We're a little bit smaller today. I'm gonna introduce Ken Risto, social studies teacher and Bon Vivant, we're just all around South High School. Cal Potter, former state senator, just a maven of political life. I'm Mary Lynn Donahue with the firm of Hop Newman Humkey, just a simple city lawyer. Our dear friend Tom Pineski is not with us during this taping, and we're not exactly sure why. Now, just because the Republicans lost, and- That may be the reason. That may, I think not. I think actually- It's dangerous morning. He may just not have been able to find a completely black outfit to show up in, and so he decided to skip, but in any event, we're sad that Tom's not here, but Tom, too bad buddy. What? There are elections every four years. There are elections every four years. And listen, the one lesson that I've learned, there's nothing like a victory night on election night. You know, that feeling of euphoria when you have won, I think is pretty hard to duplicate, but there's always a fall.  Right, right. The economy of kind of sympathy for the poor president. Exactly, exactly. Well, I thought we would start out by talking about local results. I was, as usual, at the administration building reporting votes for the League of Women Voters to the Wisconsin Election Service. I left at about quarter to 12 in town of Wilson, town of Sheboygan. We're still not in. And Obama, who had been ahead the entire night, much to my enormous surprise here in Sheboygan County, was ahead by 81 votes. And I thought, eh, with the town of Wilson and Sheboygan coming in, in fact, it would end up that he would lose. And he did, but boy, not by much. And it was a great turnout. McCain, 30,796. Obama, 30,392. So just, just about 400 votes. Who'd have thunk it? We're still one of only 13 counties in the state that was red instead of blue, but... And interesting, there were a bunch, too. Washington, Ozaki, Sheboygan, Waukesha, compared to... Those are well-to-do communities. Yeah, and that's probably part of it. You'd expect that from Waukesha. I mean, clearly. I mean, Washington, Ozaki counties, they'll never go blue, I don't think. But, I mean, Sheboygan County is, I mean, certainly we're prosperous enough here, but it's hardly the richest state in the county by any, by... But you saw the traditional split. Democrats did well in the city and took a bath in the rural area. And when you add the two together, it was a close loss for Obama. Interestingly enough, Obama lost every village and town except for Glenn Bula. Glenn Bula, yes. You live out in the country. What's going on in Glenn Bula? Well, I think Glenn Bula is not the hotbed of a certain philosophy. I think when you think of Republican hotbeds, you think particularly of Oostburg, and when you think of Cedar Grove and the towns of Lima and towns of Holland, that area of the county, I don't think Democrats do well ever. And when you start getting out of that area, you start getting into a good mix of people Germans probably go back far enough, you'll find German socialists who settled there. And I think the political thought is not so rigid. I think that's part of it. Plus, it's not a real affluent community. I mean, it's not a caller. I mean, caller's got a lot of professionals. So I don't think Glenn Bula fits the social economic niche that a caller is in. So I think that's probably part of it. I just thought it was swell. That there would be at least a villager, a town that didn't go red. What was your experience in voting? I voted, we had state testing over at the high school and I didn't have to proctor on Tuesday. So I came into my polling area at about 8.30 in the morning and I was in and out in 10 minutes and everything was running like clockwork. There were, it appeared, I mean, poll watchers for both parties there. I didn't have the heart to tell them they were in violation of state law. They were supposed to keep a 10 foot distance away from the workers, but there was no place for them to stand and the way they had laid things out. But they were just observing and watching and I think things were going really well. I just breezed in. I breezed in at 7.30. I was the 205th voter, which was pretty amazing for my little ward. And from what I understand, that experience was relatively universal. There were little bunches right before work and after work, but by and large it was much more smooth than it was in 2004. I think the new rules for the election observers are very good. The government accountability board put in place a whole raft of rules. I know in 2004 when my son tried to vote and he was just 18 and he had registered and voted in the primary, but for some reason there was some glitch. I went in to help him and there were these people just kind of swarming around us and there were loud voices and I was getting a little feisty in my own way, like back off and that sort of thing. Well, I think this is much more peaceable. The observers need to be six or 10 feet, whatever it is, away from the voters and the everybody. They're not allowed to talk to anybody, but the chief, whoever the chief poll person is. So there's no interaction, because I was yelling at this, not me, I don't yell. My voice was slightly raised. You educated me personally. Thank you. Were you admonishing him? I was admonishing him for his surly behavior, but in any event, so I do think that that went better. But if you look at the photo that was in the Sheboygan Press, it is my understanding that the city clerk's office was inundated with voters for weeks, for weeks. And Kevin Kennedy has said that that's something that needs to be addressed because it's really absentee voting is what we have. We don't have advanced voting as what 29 other states do. So we really need to address that problem if that's gonna be more the norm of how people vote, this application stuff and then filling it out. And it's just a lengthy process that needs to be looked at, I think. I think there was a recommendation today, right? Well, Kevin Kennedy said he was going to meet with municipal clerks, but he had some suggestions and I don't know if he's advanced those or not. I think there was some discussion that they would allow for early voting and do away with absentee ballots is the discussion that they were talking about, which would make some sense because they were, when I was there, they were opening, I think when you vote, if I understand the process of the city, they take those ballots and move them to the precincts because they were calling out, there were some people that were busy and they were calling those out and counting those while I was there. Because I recognized a couple of my neighbor's names who had voted early. My wife had voted early and she walked up and said it was in and out. You still do need to have absentee voters or voting for the people who can't make it into the polls and old people and my mom got her absentee ballot for every election and they made that easier and the old days you had to actually, I think have your signature notarized if I'm not mistaken and that, of course, would be very difficult for housebound people and so forth. So I think that those new ideas are good ones. You can ask for a ballot after 65 years old to be mailed to you, was that my understanding? Or if you're disabled or are you disabled? And my son, Michael, is in Milwaukee and he had his ballot mailed to him because he's registered in Sheboygan County but wouldn't be in town for the election and military folks and so forth. So I think there still is a place for absentee balloting it's just now it's become early voting and there's gotta be a slightly better way. One of the problems if you'll recall from the live ham bomb guard recount is that when they were manually feeding every single ballot through the machines again to verify counts, absentee ballots because of where they're folded it can interfere with the connecting arrow and so that makes it more difficult as well. And so I think there are certainly better ways of doing it. We will get into this if we have time in our state section but Attorney General Van Hollen after losing his voter registration lawsuit is now going to appeal and is going to file with court of appeals but they'll probably certify it up to the Supreme Court right away. So that'll be interesting to see if and how that's taken care of. In any event we had some other winners it was certainly generally a time for incumbents Terry Van Akron won handily. Well many of us yeah I mean it was 16,000 to 8,000 pretty much you just didn't see much of a Piper, Alex Piper the opponent did not see much of a race. I didn't think. Well I heard he didn't qualify for public financing which was something that Jose did and so that means you didn't get a grant of what's $8,000 which puts you out in the media at least. So if you're relying on whatever comes in the coffee can as you're campaigning you're not gonna be able to do too much of visible media stuff. Right, well I didn't know I saw it. It's just not surprising because all you need is I think 10% of your spending limit which is a heck of a lot. Usually Republicans have an easy time of it because I just get a few fat cats to rate a $100 check and pretty soon. Now Cal. Well it is. I had to go out and beg barrel $20 from this person and $10 from that person. I didn't have a lot of people writing $100 checks but no that's from experience. I mean what was the. We don't have Tom here. No and I wasn't in the legislature. It wasn't uncommon for candidates on the other ticket to have a number of checks written in the zip code of River Hills and so on and by people who could write those checks for $100 or more. And you add those up and pretty soon you get the qualifying threshold to give that candidate $8,000 for at least buy some media time. Right. So by not doing it it means somebody dropped the ball on a very elementary thing of a couple just a little bit of effort. You could have got a number of $100 checks signed by people who had died in the world Republicans and that person then would have gotten the grant. Yeah and I think, I don't think the Republicans were gonna put any money into this race and so there you go. Steve Castell won handily against his opponent, Bob Cox. Yeah his opponent unfortunately had bypass surgery I believe in the middle of the campaign which took him out of commission so. Well then his vote total is not too bad. It was $14,000 to $7,000 essentially so. Yeah I don't think he campaigned early at all. I knew he was at the fair and after that his health problems got him and that's the last I saw of him really. And Glenn Grossman was challenged by an independent. Senator Grossman absolutely schvets Mr. Winter. It was almost 10,000 votes to about 2,000 votes and so I think. It's not surprising I mean he really beat Mary Panzer very handily. Oh he did. He did. That was somewhat of a surprise because she was an incumbent and I thought a reasonable lady and she really got beat by Glenn Grossman so that shows the devotion to the conservative side in that Senate district. He's astonishingly conservative as well. Yes he is very much so. When I was still in the school board I went to legislative breakfast and then also with our representation of the county go to legislative breakfast from time to time. And I was really astonished sometimes by just some of his proposals. They were really, to me, seemed substantially to the right of live ham or castell. So that was interesting. And but he's a character. He's an interesting guy. He's a lawyer. He's one of four lawyers in the Senate. And so and I don't want any smart talk from anybody about that. I, Kittleson, Petri beat Kittleson pretty handily. I don't think anybody really expected anything different there. No, Kittleson didn't have any money really compared to the big account that Petri had plus the years of incumbency that Petri had plus his reputation. I think he's viewed as a, not a more of a moderate Republican. I think so. So how much his voting record really matches that, but that's his image at least. One of the, one of the interesting pieces of, and it's just gotten to be a tradition and I don't think it was always a tradition. I was out of town for a couple of days after the election. I came back and you can't really, I'm not even gonna show it on screen because I don't think the camera could pick it up, even though we have wonderful cameramen who are just so terrific and able to do all sorts of interesting things. But it was the sign waivers at 14th and Erie. And you know, when I ran for judge, we had a whole contingent of people there the entire day. Maeve Quinn is very good at organizing people up for the Eighth Street Rotary. And they have McCain and Obama people sharing the same corner and so forth. And I thought it was great fun. It's just, people who really are too shy to knock on doors, they don't wanna make telephone calls, give them a sign and they'll stand out on corners and stand there. Take the yelling in the gestures. Exactly. Or the horn honking. I was, I don't know, I stood on a corner for three, four hours and people were great. It was just wonderful. And, you know, if they're impolite, at least you just don't see it. So it's not too bad. Does it really make it? I mean, do you think anybody's actually persuaded by that? I think what it does is it tends to pump people up.  And I do think it does. It may remind people to vote. And of course, on a presidential election, that's not a big deal. But, you know, in April elections and so forth, it reminds people that, oh, that's right, it's a voting day. And it makes people feel excited about their candidates and, you know, who knows? You know, I don't know how well it worked, but the Obama Observer in my polling area, I don't think was at all concerned about nefarious activity at the polls. I think what she was doing was, it seemed like she was crossing names off of lists. And I know the National Obama Plan, I don't know if they did it in Sheboygan, was to, in real time, at a certain point in the day, at noon, I guess at three o'clock, and again at six o'clock, they were going to see who had not, from their lists of likely candidate and voters from the canvassing in the neighborhoods, they were gonna compare that list to who hadn't voted yet and make telephone calls and see if they can actually help people get there and remind people to get through who hadn't voted yet. And I've never seen that happen before. That was pretty interesting business. It's called the Houdini system. And yeah, and that's why the poll worker said, you need to say your name and address loudly. So they can hear and check off. So they could check off. I was listening to National Public Radio discussion of how different Obama's campaign had been, just in terms of doing those intense kind of grassroots things, that your two four have been relatively unknown so that you would actually, and I know when I've been doing canvassing, they want a lot of information from people. And so it's not just going up to the door and saying, gee, I wish you'd vote for Obama or I wish you'd vote for McCain. It's like, what are your issues? Anon, anon, anon, all gets entered into a database. And so that is just one of the ways because the bottom line is you have to get people out to vote. And unless you're in Oregon where you vote by mail and who knows how that system works, but. So I don't know how well it worked really. I heard not very. Well, if you gotta be 10 feet away, you have to have better hearing than I have, I guess to hear somebody's name and then check it off. Well, again, my polling area, they weren't. They were sitting literally right at the end of the table, both of them. Because of the way the room was set up, I'm not quite sure where they could have stood. That would have been in compliance with the law. Incidentally, speaking of compliance with the law. Oh! The lawyer, the lawyer that you are. Oh, this is exciting. Polling signs, yard signs, distance from a polling area. 200 feet. Is it 200 or 300? 200 feet. Doesn't make any difference of its private or public property. It's gotta be 200 feet. Well, you shouldn't have signs on public property for goodness sake. Right. I know that happened in a school board race once. Distant Galaxy many, many years ago where we had a particular candidate's signs in school yards and thankfully that didn't last too long. Yeah, they should be a public property ever. No, okay. But it is, it can be very tricky when you are the candidate to drive around and make sure that there are no signs within X number of feet. I usually, when I ran, I usually took them up, down whether if they were in a block or so of it. So nobody started saying, where does it 200 feet begin or 300 feet? Doesn't begin from, like at Wilson School. Is it across, is it the sidewalk of Wilson School or is it the front door? So I just took them down. There were campaign signs right on the entryway of the parking lot of my precinct. Well, that probably was not a good thing. Yeah. And I think what happened was, I think folks from that particular party just in the evening just put them up in the hopes that nobody would notice. And my view is, if you're going into a polling place and you're gonna make your decision based on a yard sign that is within 100 feet of the poll. That's really an undecided voter. That's really an undecided voter. And so I think, in my view, it's probably not a big deal. But in any event, it was an historic election and we'll talk, as I said, more in our next exciting segment about state results and so forth. But it definitely is a sea change. Just wanted to talk about a couple of other things. Coming up at long last, and I think we're all delighted about it, November 15th at 9.30 a.m., the opening of the ribbon cutting for the new police station, which really looks like a police station if you've driven by it. There's nothing pretentious. Charming about the building. I mean, it's all business, which is as it should be. And came in $500,000 under budget. And so I think that's actually a pretty exciting time for. It looks very functional. It does, doesn't it? And so there was a long article in the newspaper about being able to move into bigger offices and they really did deserve a better space. So I think that's pretty exciting. It'll be interesting to see how City Hall gets remodeled. My own view is the mayor's office should be on the first floor. You shouldn't have to truck up two flights of stairs to get to the mayor's office. And so it's hard to know. Except for security, I don't know if I'd want to be on the first floor. That's what I was thinking. We had that problem in the Capitol. It was always nice for people to say, well, I'd like to be on the first floor. He says, you don't want to be on the first floor. A lot of people who walk into the first floor looking very lost. And you end up with people that are there that might not normally come into your office in these public buildings. And of course, it won't be a police department there to protect the mayor. Well, I think they'll have to consider. Unfortunately, given the times we live in, they're going to have to really think about that in the remodeling process about the accessibility, of course, that you want of a City Hall, but also those kinds of issues. Well, there's nothing that irritates me more. The clerk of court's office and the DA's office are now both behind glass in the courthouse. And particularly with the clerk of court's office, and I don't mean to underestimate the issues that people right at the front have to deal with in terms of people who come in who are irate or whatever. But when you have to yell to get through those plexiglass windows and so forth, those are things that I just think are, I think they're horrible. So, and right now the mayor's office, I think is probably off the screen enough. So you're probably right there. So we'll see how that happens. And then I do think we're getting close to the end, but just talking about the layoffs that are now starting to affect the community. And the colors laying off 80, they had previously laid off 50 in the hospitality, the 80 as I understand is in the brass division. So I think my senses, hard times are coming. Sure, I don't think we've really seen the ripple effect of the downturn in the auto industry and other industries. When people lose their jobs in those industries and dealerships and others don't do well, it just keeps on feeding on itself.  Right. And I think Lyra is going to be laying off whenever the auto industry is in trouble. Lyra is in trouble, so I think that's going to be tough. This is a little off point, but do you conceive of the big automakers like literally shutting down, going out of business? I mean. I don't know. No, I don't either. I know that there's discussion of course with the new administration coming in and already some discussion, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid met with UAW and General Motors and Ford. I know General Motors was in the room, I'm not sure about Ford. And they're looking for another what, $35 billion, another $30 billion to get them through the next year. So, because I think that if they get out at the end of that year, they're going to be okay. But you're right. You know, we were talking off camera before the show started that we're starting to see this deindustrialization of Sheboygan really have an effect on the kids that come into our school buildings. It used to be not that terribly long ago that maybe 20% of our students would qualify for free or reduced hot lunch. That's sort of the standard we use to designate kids of poverty. And I think we're close in the district of 40% now are getting real close to that number when I looked at the third Friday counts. And there are more and more people working at night and working two jobs. And it's really having a strain on families and it really affects kids. And then on top of that, because I work in high school trying to find, talking to students who are looking for summer work, it's going to be very, very difficult this year for kids to find summer work or part-time work. And even the kids coming back from college or even the alumni come back and talk and check in a little bit with me and they are having the same experiences too. So it's going to be a tough summer all the way around for employment. I think you'll recall that when Reagan was elected, certainly the country was in the midst of a pretty nasty recession. And there was a short recovery and then it re-recessed. And I think I remember Reagan saying stay the course. So I think that Obama in many ways, because we haven't, as far as I can tell, in my limited understanding, we haven't even begun to bottom out in terms of the ripple effect of the job losses and just the difficulties that we're going to see. And so I think my own view is that it's interesting. It's just where does the money keep coming from and how big can the deficit get? How much can countries in the Middle East and China own in America? Apparently quite a lot, at least as things are going now. But I think it'll be interesting. Coler, I mean, the Coler company, considering that it has, I think, 35,000 employees worldwide, has been very loyal to Shabuigan and loyal to a workforce, a good workforce, but one that's been obviously unionized for many years and is well-paid and has decent benefits and long and hard fought over. But I just don't see any light at the end of this particular grim, grisly tunnel. And just the election of Obama, I don't think that solves those problems. Absolutely. Well, you look at the state, we'll maybe talk maybe the next segment of our show about the state budget, but I don't know how, given the state finances, they're going to be able to meet their commitments to local education, this next budget. Exactly. And if that happens, you're going to see local school districts like Shabuigan, whose student enrollment has really pretty much leveled out now, give or take, 10,000, give or take a couple of dozen here and there, they're going to have some really difficult times. And so there's going to be some real tough choices facing our local school board, I suspect. We're already talking about cuts. Some places where the referendum didn't pass and they were a low spending district to start out with. Yeah. And boy, Mark Ryan in particular worked that very hard and Clark Reinkie, the superintendent, and that really is a heartbreaker for those folks. Well, we must bid adieu, but hope that we will see you again.


So, if someone says, why do I have a drinking problem and why am I here, so there are few points that we need to look at is if there is any sort of an emotional or behavioral changes. Emotional changes has in either a person is little sad or a little anxious and the person is not able to overcome sad or anxiety without alcohol and at the same time if the person is showing behavioral changes, as in if the person is little kind of aggressive or the person is not able to be calm, being restless, agitated is another way to identify that and the third thing is when the person is not able to be functional. So let's call emotional behavioral changes and functionality to be the key points in understanding that the person is now knowing that the person has an alcohol problems.