Welcome to Toffy TV, this is the final word, evidence 2 at Wafford Nill. Before we begin, we are proudly backed by the Athletic. The Athletic is full of Welsh-class writers and have their own focused writers through Paddy Boyland and Greg O'Keefe, some great articles on it. The good thing about the Athletic, no pop-up ads, things like that, but also it's actually real articles, it's not just clickbait stuff of bits and pieces and sensationalism thrown in, there's some really good in-depth articles. And other clubs, if you're interested in that, and as part of our sponsorship, you can get a free 30-day trial with the Athletic and then 50% off your subscription for the year. The link is in the description below, so check it out there. I'm joined by Andy to discuss an incredible Everton display last night. It was a cup tie and we won it and that's the most important thing. And first and foremost, the win is the most important thing. No matter what, I know I talk a lot about bigger pitch, but the biggest picture is that we're through to the next round with the cup. That's the most important thing. We need to win the league cup, we've never won it, swindered of won it, that says everything now, but we need to win it. I think we have more to throw with it. I think we've got the longest run of not getting a promotion, I don't know what that's about, or a trophy in the 2000s. So it's time for us to win something. I think the league cup presents the best opportunity because a lot of teams don't take it seriously. It's the semi-final, so I'm glad we're in the quarter-finals. There's a couple of teams you could draw that could ease our path into the semi. No, we've got the hardest one, but you never know. You've got to beat teams to win it, I guess, so we've always said that. No, I had the hardest one. Everyone called Chester with an injury crisis for them, and we have to play. And then a bit and level of semi out. And then a bit and an ox for the summer in the semi, but on a bit, now I've less to beat them. But that's what you need. You need a good run.  For different reasons, yeah. You know, coming into the last night's game, it was a big game, Fred, and obviously the manager made a few changes. I'm very, very surprised to see Gary Mina play. That's one. That was one of my big worries as well. Why would you risk it when you could play Michael Keane and the whole game to go? But maybe, yeah, I don't know whether he's looking at Sunday. Yeah, well, he said Gary Mina was fine. I mean, and since he said he's not in any pain after the game. It was a risk that you didn't need, but we haven't got all that sense at half. So you couldn't go with a Gibson and a Hallgate. That's too risky in a couple of games. But I mean, I thought Mina was exceptional for the half an hour. James Coleman come back in the right back. You can understand that in terms of if he's keeping Sydney for Sunday and giving Coleman games. Midfield, obviously, Delph Gomez and a Wobie. Richard Charles, someone out to the left-hand side. Which was better, I think that's it. Well, listen, he's a modern day forward. He can play right the way across, which he has done in the last three games. He's played right the way across the field. It's nice seeing back there, though, because that's where he started forever, and if you remember. I like him through the middle. Say him, I think you get him through the middle, he causes problems. It's goals, isn't it? And then obviously Moise Keane coming on the right bit down the front. I think I'm not against playing Moise Keane on the right. But it's how and why. It's how and why do we play him? This is what the problem I have, and I know people have obviously had back and forth with people on Twitter today about it. I've got no problem in people playing wide if it's in the right system. So if you play 4-2-3-1, they're essentially deeper, aren't they? But you're attacking the field winger then.  This is what I said before the game. If it's 4-3-3, and he's playing close with Richard and Tom McCarver doing great, because you know, get him in the pockets of space, get him running to the box fine. But when he plays as a winger, he's on the touchline. That's not the type of player he is, and it's never going to work. For me, Mark, was setting me to fail really in that sense, and I don't think the manager obviously intended to do that, but that was just, that's my opinion. And taking him off after 45 minutes, I don't think that did anything for his confidence either. I understand why he took him off. I totally got another problem in the idea of taking him off. I just don't think, why not start WarCot or change the system? I suppose it's just to give keen minutes. I think the biggest thing that didn't help him playing out there was having James Coleman best to him. Because I think to get the best out of a 4-3-3, something which Liverpool do really well in Man City, is when they play their three strikers, they're too full backs going the outside. So, naturally, they took him. So, it's Salah and Sen Salah Xanderan. Salah comes inside, so he's closer to Firmino, and that creates the space. City do it, obviously with Staling or Bernardo Silva, they're full backs, whether it's Karl Walker or... He's been around you for many years.  I think Everton's issue, certainly in the first half last night, was Dom was isolated again. With Charleston and Moise Keane were really wide. If you look at the average positions, Moise Keane's actually on the right winger, but Charleston's more deeper, more on the left back, and then you've got Dom again who's always deep as we know, because he's got isolated the way he does. I don't know, it just doesn't work when you... Because the three of them in the four, three, three works, because they have three wing wide forwards, inside forwards, and a striker, that works fine for me. But when you play them as orthodox wingers, this is my issue with Charleston. When he's cutting in, it's fine, because he's cutting in on his favourite foot so he can shoot. When he's playing right sides and right wing, it doesn't really work. He's not a crossler of the ball, he's not really great, he's decent at passing, but he's not consistently good passing to the box. And it falls down, and that's why we've all been implored in silver to play four, three, three, and get them closest to the box. And then we wouldn't have had a problem if Moise Keane had failed in that, it would have been fine. But because he didn't give them the best chance, that's why I have my issue with Marco on that front. I don't really want to labour it, because I know he did win. That substitution sort of changed the game, because if you look at them walk-off, come on, walk-off played much narrower. Maybe that's experience of that position, maybe just knows the position better, because it's a natural position. And a bit of confidence, because he's playing, he's starting to play well, so that confidence is there, Moise Keane, you could say. You'd always know what a telling factor with players with confidence, someone like Moise Keane, you'd try to do too much as well. The touch isn't good, you're trying to impress people, stepping over it and running.  Charlotte was trying to do it on the other side, because he was playing in front of the snake lovers waving the things and they were booing him. He was trying to do too much on the ball, instead of just being nice and direct like he normally is when he's playing well. He was trying to go past places, he was taking the ball off him and you could see him getting frustrated. It's like just playing normal game, and that's maturity isn't it? We've got a young side, haven't we, in the up front, because Tom's obviously only 22, Charlotte's 22. I'm Moise Keane's only 19, but I don't know. If you're going to use them players, use them to the rest of the ability, get them comfortable. Don't just stick them, wedge them in and expect.  So you left us with one sub for 45 minutes now, I know it worked out in the end, so hindsight's wonderful now. But to me, you don't need to fix a mistake like that, you should set up correctly, and set up in a manner where you're going to get the best out of the players. Now Mark will probably turn around and say to me, well, that's my system, that's how I want to play, but that's fine, that's up to him isn't it, at the end of the day, that's just my opinion. But at the end of the day, the walk-out has changed the game really, because we're much better in the second half. What did you make of the midfield, particularly in the first half? I don't know, it's still awkward isn't it? Andy Gomez, I said this last night on Twitter, and we've discussed it off camera as well. Andy Gomez is one of those people, it's a mentality, it's not a type of ability thing, because he's got all the ability in the world, he could be a classmate fielder, and you watch him, he's got every touch, strength, size, speed, skill, know-how, creativity, intelligence. It's just mental, mental, he plays with it himself. And when Andy Gomez is trying to be safe, and not really into the game, he's just not a good player. Not saying he's bad, he's just average. You don't get what? And we need him, because without him controlling the game and breaking the press, Delph has gone back to us, and Villa Delph as well. So that myth, without Tom Davis driving that tempo forward, with no-one in the team to do that, they're still pedestrian, and last night in the first half, we were fairly back to that slow. I won't be the sign of takers forward, but there was no back-up. I mean, what worked really well against West Ham, was that we had him and Davis carrying us forward, and Gomez was able to sit and be the meta note, where last night, Iman Delph, I won't say getting in each other's way, but they were both doing the job that one person should have been doing. I don't think, that's what I think in pre-season, when we talk about sand, Iman Gomez wanted to do too much of the similar things, get on the ball, control the game. Delph only had a bit more legs when he was younger, they'd like to drive up the field, but he doesn't necessarily now, I think Manchester City, they changed his role. Andrew Gomez, again, Valencia Andrew Gomez, was the man to drive them forward, he was the best in the field, he was the best in the field in the league. He's just not that player at the moment, and until we get that back, or unless we have Tom Davis, we're going to struggle in that midfield area. Do you think the manager shall be saying to him, play higher up the pitch? I think he probably, if he doesn't, that's a bit silly, but if he does, and he's not doing it, you shouldn't play them as a combination. The problem is, without Gabamon, it's Snarl and it's the other choice, you can't play them because then you get back to that axis of the three. I mean, in the first half, you know, thinking back, we didn't really create much. We had a Dominic Alvertleuron header, which he got wrong, but it was a good run by him. He'd done another one, a ball forward, it was a brilliant run by him. He wouldn't be at it, but he couldn't shake his body enough to get a shot right in the end. It seems to me he wouldn't be at it, he's better on the ball than the most centre back. He's played right back, but at right back he's not as good as he is on the ball centre back. I don't know why that is, but anyway. But in terms of on the ball, but I like the fact that he drives the ball, which basically then occupies a man, which then gives you space to other players, which is what we don't do enough, because he didn't mean to want to sit on the ball. He said he didn't want to sit on the high line, but yeah. I thought Mason, I think he's played reasonably well the last two games. It's a big test for him Sunday because remember the last time he played against Spears, he had an absolute nightmare in terms of positioning, but he's put himself forward as now the option to play next to either Mina or Keen. Because of his pace, because of his, you know, they're on the ball ability. Let's talk about Mina, because for me he's been added at his best play this season, the most insistent. Like I say, I was surprised to see his name on the team because of the injury, but I thought for the 30-odd minutes that he played, I thought he was magnificent. There was one where Holguig got spun by Gray, come across and took it. One where Coleman was just left the dead, and he came across and won the ball and came out with it. And you can see that he's now starting to get that confidence in that back line. He looks like a natural leader, which I always thought he would be.  He's just a man mountain. So to me, every game he's just getting better and better and better. He's coming in the lead, and you know what, if he actually could speak English properly, if he can get that up to level, he will be one I'd be looking at to be as our captain. Yeah, he could be, and he's got that personality as well. He seems to be infectious, you see him on Instagram with Richard Charles, he seems to be called friends, he seems to infect each other. He's always laughing and joking, but I think on the pitch he's quite serious. He's a winner. The thing about Mina, when we signed him, I was a bit cautious, because he hadn't really played a lot of games of what you would call top level leads. And he went to Barcelona, and he had one OK game, and he really struggled in the line-bar game, but he lost 5-4. And last season we saw some of that, where he gets out wide, he can't read it. But I think the more he plays at this level, even though he is 24, he's still got a lot of room to develop into. Because he hasn't played at that league, so once he gets more comfortable, he goes, actually these players aren't much better, these strikers aren't much better than what I've come up with. So he's going to lay in there. I think he's going to be a top defender, and he's just getting that bright partner next to him. Any flaws he's got, Mina or whatever, just to zoom in, I think, that was my thought last season. I know people thought Keane was great last season, but the real partnership would have been the Zoomer and Meener. But we'll see if we ever see that. But someone like it, someone with that pace, someone with that mobility next to him, like me, some hallkeeper, a bit more instinctive, a bit more positionally aware, then we'll be rocking this into the next season. I think for now, like I said before, Michael Keane, the advocate of him last year, he's been great last season. This season he's been poor. For me now, if all three of them are fit, all of our centrebacks, like we've got 12, obviously Gipson's not going to be considered. It seems. This is the problem when a match is under pressure as well. I've got me floating before tomorrow, but they're never going to play young players. You see all of each young boy, he's played in the Premier League before. He's battle-tested in that sense. They just won't risk players. That's why he's probably going to find it difficult at this moment in time to break in, because the manager can't trust it. He's got a bit of trust in things with his players. Mason Hallgate, Amina probably going forward. Hallgate's quick, isn't he? He's not lightning, but he's quick. He's mobile. A good lateral quickness to get across the football. Exactly. You've got him and Amina. You've got this proper physical stopper and you've got some more. Amina's quite good on the ball, but she's good on the ball. I think Hallgate's very good on the ball, so I think with those two, and then having Sidder being there with his pace, because she's quite as slow and down a little bit, you can tell. I think you then be caught, and Luca Dean's no slow, so all of a sudden you're eradicating issues of being caught out and not being able to recover. With Hallgate as well, when Siddie, we've mentioned before, he likes to press really high, doesn't he? With having made some Hallgate, he can defend in space much better than Amina, and he can cover that side, so it sort of fits better with a Siddie. Even with Corm, because you saw it in certain games this season, Corm and Keane have been picked out by Siddie if you try to exploit that, so I think with that more mobility, and with Mason Hallgate being able to defend in space, it's going to make Everton a bit more hard to sort of try and find that floor as easy. It won't be as easy to just try and pinpoint that in the defence. He finished with 60% of the possession. He didn't have many chance. He was careful. He should have gone low with he went high and he could have saved it. Moise Keane had a shop block when he made a good little run. Not that it really happened. He had a challenge, but I think had an opportunity and he screwed it wide. Not that it really happened. We got to half-time and the manager made a change. Walk off for Keane. I was a bit disappointed, I won't lie, to see Moise Keane go off for half-time. I had a problem centre four, but... He didn't play well. I've got no issues with that. It's just that I didn't think... I just think that confidence is going to drain from the play. You can see he's not playing. He's got confidence at the moment. The swagger he played with last season is clearly not... No, it's not there at all at the moment. That's a goal. He's a centre four. He wants to score goals. But Theo Walecock come on and he's had a bit of a reshade. It's the last few weeks I think he knows that the interview he did the other week and he said he'd had a heart to heart with the manager and about where he stood and was told he had to fight for his place. I don't know whether it'll change, but I think they were planning for life without Theo Walecock on my next summer. He's got to prove himself again, because he came in under Al Dice, he did quite well and maybe because the style of play suited him. I don't really understand why, because that's not what he played at Arsenal or whatever. And then he had that really mixed-pale last season. I'd still come to see if he put a few more chances away than we were on. He's much better with the work rate, he's getting in good positions and he's creating a couple of goals. It's a direct running as well. It was a few times just at the start of the second half. He made great runs and Coleman just didn't look at it. He hasn't got the ability. And three times he was in and you could see Walecock. It was on the opposite side. I think with having played the last couple of games with Siddi B, who does knock it off to him and then carry on running, I think Theo Walecock had a little bit of frustration, but he did kind of get that. And then Coleman did start looking up and giving him and as the game went on, but we huffed and puffed, we hit the bar with a woby, which was unlucky. We then had the free kick, which Luca Dain deflected on to the bar and you start thinking, it's going to be one of these nights. Well, it came for Perkins, let's be honest. I think that's what he came for. He's played players you haven't been playing obviously trying to get them going. I don't think I've ever seen the shaft for the last six months. I did, there was no rhythm. They had one good shot from the anti-grey, which Pickford shaved and he'd done that Saturday, we'd still been no-nil. Got his hands behind it. But Everton were prompting and probing and looking more dangerous, more dangerous and then we have a woby does really well in the box, clipped it across, good defender and actually took it off Calvert-Lewins' head and they come to Walecock and he put it back in and there's Mason arriving to bullet. First goal for Everton. Once that went in, they looked like they were like, there's no way we're coming back. But again, we needed just that extra goal just to make sure. We were not brilliant at putting chances away. Some of our football at times was really good till the final third and we get into the dangerous areas and it's either the pass selection is ridiculous or we take too long and the opportunity goes. There's no, like, sharpness about our play and I don't know whether that's a lack of confidence because things aren't working. Do we work on a matter show on the training ground? Is it like some managers where they go and they've got the players and they've got enough to do it and we work on them. We talked about this with Portugies. Plant defence, plant my fear. Tactical periodisation. The top of the pitch is off the cuff. I think maybe we need a few drills about how to cut teams open because we get in. What are the players there to score? I think if you played him in his natural position where that centre forward was one of the three up front, he'd scored 20 goals. He's a natural finisher and if you provide him with the chance and he won't be in the team, he's trying to probe and he's trying to get us in behind all the time. I think we've scored a lot of goals. But until then, with this 4-2-3-1 I don't know what I could go on about this again, but it's an issue because it's a time to go 4-1-3-2 and just have a slight variation on what he's doing. It's the one. I think with anything, with the 4-3-3, his whole idea was to have a good barman as the sixth. It's fine, but... I know you've got to be flexible, but I think right or wrongly that's his confidence in that system. With the double pivers, I think he feels he can get away with the two sisters. But he shouldn't both be sitting, but whatever. That's it. We said it last week. It's not always about formation. The roles within the team. Who plays within that formation. You've got mobile in the field that's running or lads that want to get up the pit. I think Tom Davis, whether people like him or don't like him, he tries to break forward, he tries to get us up the pit. Forward, pass, forward, pass. And that can unsettle teams. We went back a little bit last night to too much shot. It was better than the second half, so whatever he said at that time, he did kick on a little bit. We got the goal, we took Tom off, brought Yang Towson on. That left mid. Well, to be honest, he moved. There was a lot of movement. Night of Charleston and Welcott switched wings for a bit. I wonder why Theo never played. That's one thing I wonder why Theo never played on the left. He wanted to shoot all the time. That was... But he moved around a bit and saw some men on the left and was back in the middle. I think he was just, I don't know, I think he was just doing what he wanted. I just think he's not quick enough. You know what, I don't think he's a bad player at all and I think in the right team, I think Roy Hodgson would absolutely love my palace. Barely love it. Barely love anyone. But I think he's scored goals with someone like Chris Wood for Barely. Oh yeah, just playing off everywhere. Just playing off him because... He's a better finisher than him as well. I think he's scored goals. But in a fluid, fast team, which is what we've been built as, which we're not at times, but we are sometimes. He's just not the player. I think that's why we tried to sell him to be honest with you. Sometimes it's just about fit. Some players don't fit in certain teams and he's unfortunately one of them. But he was a half decent person. I think he's in a two. I think he has to play in a two for me. Obviously he's a one, I think he'd be fine there. If you're trying to break quickly, he's not the right player. But I think technically wise, he's a good player. I think he'll score goals. But he didn't really get into the game. But he put himself about. He does say that. He's not one who comes on and stands still. He runs around. And anyway, they brought Gerard Delfair and he was clapped on. Some people will like it, some won't. Some people, all by me, are clapping them. Because Gerard, quite clearly, you could tell last night he was thinking, I know what top I'd rather be wearing. Well, Gerard, he's one of those. He's another player when he comes on. You can just tell whether he's on or off. He's a fair bit of a player. He'll be missing for a couple of months. But he had one little run near the end and he has the shot, actually. There's a block. I don't know whether it's Michael Keane or it's whole guy blocks it past Towson Place. And Retiala's in 93th minute. It's all Retiala's. He's deep and he's based past Towson Place. It's not a great ball, but it's a ball in the right area for him to run. He has a lot to do because the centre gets back by the time it gets to the ball because it's a bit wider. Just a little shimmy. Natural striker's goal, that's where he is. That for me is what Retiala should be doing all the time. Put himself 1v1, get half a yard and he's got a good shot on him. He's strong. That's why I haven't built a team. That's how he signed all his plays in the summer to get a lot of 1v1s dribbling. I don't know if anyone read that passage at someone released in Pepsburg where he said I want dribblers in all positions because 1v1... He can't see everything else he said, didn't he, but he can't see stuff. But it was a really good goal that reminded me of the way we were playing towards the end of last season. We don't do it consistently. And we don't do it at any level, it's that way. But he took his goal brilliantly and obviously put us into the next round. I think he was delighted with the goal obviously at the weekend, he'd had that one chalked off. We didn't go to the snake celebration, but he did. Everyone was delighted. And we went through and that's the most important thing, the performance wasn't great. Obviously everyone's got different opinions about what's going on at the moment. But the fact we're in the next round is all important whether he's the manager or not, wherever it may be. You get through everything else we've played for me, the league, it's got to be the priority. We're in a position we shouldn't be in. And that leads to a rest on very quickly. 3.87 now. It feels further away than that. We've only got Brighton this week with three points. We get B-bye Brighton now, we've got Spayers, then it'll be we go to Southampton. And they're going to be fighting for the lives. And if we don't put some results together, we're going into December. You know what happens, if we're in the bottom three at Christmas, it means the second half of the season is going to be a slog. There'll be a different thing going on, but listen, we're on the cup game, we've got through. And that's the question, there's the teams that are left in it, obviously less the cold, just the City Oxford. They're two good teams, they've got some good little love. I don't care, either of them are home, and I'm dancing. They've got some good... I don't care, listen, less the cold, just the Rockford are home. Yeah, be nice. And then obviously tonight, there's games, there's Liverpool Arsenal, Villa Walsh, Chelsea United. There's the question, in your opinion, can ever win the Caravoco? It all depends on the draw. I think... Sometimes you can win cups and you're not playing well. The teams have done it before, we can cut relegates when they won the FA Cup, for example. So it's a completely different competition. Sometimes, you know, like, Rafferbyddy says one of the champions when they were dying that season. It can happen, I hope so. It's the cup that we have and one I've always said. I know people call it the Mickey Mouse Cup because we've said it to them for years, but it's important to win trophies. You want to get that face on the way, so we can build from there, but we need to be in the final. Cemise is the minimum, I think. I think when you look at it now, obviously the draw is vital. The draw is absolutely vital. You don't want Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal. Have you ever met again another favourable draw, Colchester, Oxford or Home, something like that, in the quarter-final? I was a watt, but I stopped the phone. Now when I've attacked Cuddwson, you're feeling probably really decent at your own performance, but it's the way you draw. Generally, we normally end up with Chelsea in this competition. We play them every year, don't we? Hopefully, that won't be the case. The draw, I think, is on Zoe Ball's radio show on Thursday morning. Yeah, a caravan. 4 o'clock in the morning in Thailand. Now it's on Zoe Ball's radio show show. I know what that's all about, but we're in the quarter-final and that's a big thing for Evan in this competition, believe it or not. I think it's Middlesbrough in 2016 under Martinis. It would have been December 2015 when we played them in the quarters and we got to the semi-final a year's show, other than that. We're normally out. Doing or writing that, obviously, league form is the big thing for Marco Silva. It's something that he has to do. It's a big game at the weekend against Spares. Ultimately, he's going to be judged on his league form. The caravan cup's great, but ultimately, it's about the league form. It's where the money is. He's got to somehow get some consistency into this side. That's the way of consistency. He can keep going. We're in lose, we're in lose. We're not going to make any kind of progress, are we? That's how Gary Mina is fit for Sunday. We'll have more or less part from Bernard, which is a bit of a bloc to be fair. Go bam anoddod, and that, it looks like we'll probably, fingers crossed, we'll have a full squad to choose from at the weekend against Spares. He'll come to Godderson, not confident. They're awful away from home, but got a good record of us. It's up to us to get out and get ahead in again. The clean sheet last night will help it'll help Pickford, it'll help the defence a little bit. The biggest thing I suppose whether you think Wofford are good or not was we didn't really look like we were likely to concede last night. When you have games like that, that can build confidence, but I mean, I don't think anybody's getting carried away. The performance wasn't great. Wofford weren't great, but you've got to win the games. Well, as you say, it's cup competition. Next round's all important. It's now settled for a horrific game Sunday, and we win, honestly. That's where I'm at at the moment. I just think we need to start to feel light at the end of the time. That's the bigger pity, but for me the moment we just need to win. With the pressure coming off, hopefully the performances will improve, but let us know what you think in the comments section below. Are you just relieved that we're through, or are you like Andy, you're a bit worried that there's still no style of play. Whether there's a plan or not, there's no pattern of play. Is that a worry for you, or do you just think I don't care? Let us know in the comments. Can everyone win it? Is that just the ridiculous question? It is all dependent on draw. Touch everything. Well, it would mainly. But big thanks to Andy for joining me subscribe if you haven't. Give the video a thumbs up. Join us on Payton if you want more videos. And don't forget, if you want to get interested in the other games, click on the link below. We'll see you next time. If you want to get interested in the athletic and what's going on there, click on the link below. Paddy Boiland, there you go. 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Okay, welcome to the documentation special interest group office hours. This is the 5th of October 2020. And let's look at the agenda. Here we go. So presentation proposal for October 15, I believe it was, is that right, or was it 16, maybe 14. Here's one topic, the Hacktoberfest progress report, probably for me, Jenkins docker tutorial fixes. This is one of that where I wanted to just ask you some questions to clarify what you learned from that and have you share with us, oh, hey, I had to make these changes this way and this way in order to make the tutorial work. So you've, if I understand the tutorial, haven't the fix, I haven't read it in detail yet, but it replaces the blue ocean image with the official image. Right. And there are several places where this needs to be done. I'm just taking just tutorial section, which reference to that section inside the installation. And I was not confident that that was even feasible. And so I am so delighted to hear that to hear that you've made progress enough to submit a report with us. Thank you. Okay. Good. Any other topics we should put on our agenda today? I guess we should probably put one in. Let's put it in Hacktoberfest triage progress review progress. And Jonathan, do you want anything on wiki, wiki migration progress? No, not this different. I just sent some PRs to earn my research too. Right now we have all issues with registers on github. So now we need to work on it. Great. Excellent. Okay. So maybe, maybe not, I'm sure in the next weeks, I will just work on page migrations. Great. Okay. Super. All right. Then let's take a look at the presentation proposal. Let me, let me bring up the notes on, I'll bring up a page that we can look at together on it. Here it is. So this is my proposed talk, the talk proposal, Hacktoberfest Jenkins docs and more proposed for Wednesday, October 14th at 2pm, UTC, I don't have the zoom set up yet. So I'll, I haven't had any objections. So I think I'm going to go ahead and create this today and send out the invitation, etc. So the proposal is, I'll do an introduction, welcome everyone to Hacktoberfest Oleg will do a talk about how you can contribute to Jenkins, including the featured projects. And then we wanted to do a, and Jonathan, what I was assuming here was this is three to five minutes, no more. Just with you describing, Hey, look, here is here are the metrics we've been using. So maybe you show the graph of the, of the wiki migration progress. Here is the table we're using. And here's why we're doing having two people review every issue we create to be sure that Hacktoberfest good first issues are really good first issues. That was sort of what I was assuming. So three to five minutes. Is that okay for you? Would you? Yes. Yes. Very good time to just explain how we prepare our search for that. Right. Right. For me, I think, I think people may, may not understand that as a first time contributor, we've done quite a bit of work to try to make things, make them successful as a first time contributor. Yeah. I get it. Okay. And then Vlad, we were going to have you do building, sorry, Jonathan, did you have more? No, no, I just say thank you. Okay. So Vlad, we're going to have you demonstrate how to build and build that experience the Jenkins IO site locally. Are you okay doing that? Oh, yes. How are you doing this? I just wanted to ask Mark, is it a key if I will use a visual, visual code ID or? That's, that's, that's probably the best choice. That seems to be one of the most popular IDEs. And so if you can use that one, that's great. I tend to use Emacs and other rather obscure tools. So if you use something people actually use, that's really wonderful. I was just trying to clarify, do we need to address just new users who are not familiar with ID who may use just terminal or command, command window or we are like targeting also some users who are familiar what ID means and so. So I think you can assume familiarity with an IDE and actually you can assume familiarity with visual studio code. Now, if there's something where you've discovered an interesting or powerful technique you use with visual studio code by all means highlight that to them because if they see you do something interesting and then you explain, oh, the reason this worked this way is because I did this in visual studio code that will tend to keep them even more interested. Yeah. Thank you, Mark. Yeah. For me, I was a card hard to build in my first setup because I'm on a window so I need to upgrade my system to WSL2. So just after that, I can handle it to use the make command properly to. Oh, so you were able to actually do make run inside a WSL window on Windows? Yeah, exactly. Before that, I put a dual boot in my machine to work on Ubuntu. So it's not so simple way to start work with Jank site. Yeah. That's my experience. I guess the most important advantage they've liked presentation will be. Right. So Vlad, I assume you'll be demonstrating from a Linux computer or from a Mac? I will be demonstrating from a Mac computer, but I have a kind of Windows computer which I used to test some like previous installations and to co-author with you, Mark, this blog. And I installed visual code there and I guess it is also natural for Windows as well. Okay. And how much time do you think you need there? If we gave you 15 or 20 minutes, is that enough or do you need 25 or 30? Well, just I guess 20 minutes would be enough and do you want to reserve some time for answering questions or you don't think? We will put, I assume we'll put 10 minutes or more at the end for question and answer. Yeah. And so I'm assuming that Oleg will probably on featured projects, he'll likely talk for 10 or 15 minutes because there are lots of things for him to describe there. He may choose less that I don't know, but I'll leave it up to his judgment. He is such a good speaker that he can keep audiences interested for a long time. In case if Oleg is going to take only 10, 15 minutes, so I will definitely don't want to use more than 15 minutes. Oh, no, no, no, no, that's because yours is a demonstration. Oleg will not do a demonstration, right? Oleg will just talk. So you usually demonstrations are inevitably longer. And I think you should be perfectly, perfectly willing. If you go less than 20 minutes, that's okay. But but we'll take the 20, we'll give you 20 minutes for sure. Thank you. And I assume I'll spend maybe 10 minutes on just migrating a plug in. There are fewer and fewer to migrate. Still many to do, but not as many as there used to be. OK, and each video we will be required to separate each video for each presentation. Oh, no, we're not going to go on the session. Right, we will do. We will just do a recording of the entire session and you'll be presenting live and you can share your screen. Or if you want to, if you have slides that you'd like me to share, I'm confident Oleg will use slides. And if you have slides you'd like to share, we can have you share them or you can send us the Google slides and we'll embed them into a single slide deck for the whole. I ask because after the meeting, we can use the videos as tutorial next next. Yes. So, for example, the Vlad video, it's important to good first issues. And your presentation too, for example, the next work we work on, it's about plug in migration. Exactly, yes. And user review as tutorial. Yes. So, we will upload the videos, the recordings after the session is done and we had good success using last year's recordings in a similar way. So, they work very well to do exactly what you said, Jonathan. All right. Okay, so, Annie, oh, that's Jonathan. I did not, I was not sure that I got your biography. Okay. What would you like it to say? No, it's perfect. I like it. Okay, great.  Nice one. All right. Great. And Vlad, are you okay with the biography I put in there for you? Yeah. Yeah. So. I think I just stole yours from the author, the blog author bio on jankins.io, but great. All right. So, so that feels like we've got a reasonable understanding of what we'll do there. So then I need to put the action item from Mark to publish and promote the Jenkins online. Yes, just let me ask, do you need any help with promoting like on social media, kind of on Twitter or yes, yeah, so what we'll do is I'd love to have people retweet the announcement from Jenkins CI. I will do a LinkedIn announcement and if you can like and share that also do one to the Jenkins user mailing list. I think that's been our pattern off to double check that one, but I believe we've sent those in the past to the Jenkins user list. Any other locations where you, oh, we should, we could consider Reddit. That's a new, a new channel that only just recently arrived and get her. There is a CD conference do want to mention this presentation there or it's too much. I don't know how we would get it onto their list, but we, we've been promoting them. So can CDCon announce it somehow? A good question. I don't know. Let me ask. I think I like that. I think that's a very good question. Okay. Any other things on the presentation topic, like next topic, October fest progress report. So I haven't done the numbers yet. So you're going to see, we're going to see them live here. If we look at Jenkins CI and let's look for, let's just look at the Jenkins.io auto that's Jenkins.io. So let's look at this one and merged pull requests with the label Hacktoberfest in the last, let's see, we'll just sort by newest. Okay. So if we just scan down, we've had one, two, three, four looks like just three or four that have merged. So that's not as many as I was hoping. And do we have any in the queue? So Mark, to event, we need to put the tag Hacktoberfest to which issue we actually do not. We, we don't have to because the, the Hacktoberfest team detects that our project has that our repository has this Hacktoberfest topic. Oh, just the one tag on that poster. Okay. Right. So they'll detect them just fine. So the contributors get credit for their contribution just by the presence of this one tag. I just, for me, it's a convenience if we also label with Hacktoberfest because then we can do queries ourselves, but that's not, that is not a requirement at all. It's just a convenience for us. So if we look at the closed, closed issues, for instance, all these redirects are Hacktoberfest contributions, but of course they're pull requests to a different repository. So congratulations, the redirect pull request that you created. The redirect process started just, well, you see it here, five days ago, 20 hours ago, etc. It's great progress from those redirect pull requests. I would talk to some friends, maybe they want to participate too. Great. Yeah. That would be wonderful. But there's the embarrassing thing here that this blue line on the left shows where I, where my triage, my review process stopped where I ran out of time. So I've still got a bunch of things that I need to review for Hacktoberfest. And I apologize, Jonathan, I haven't done them yet. So there are many, many more that I need to review and I believe no problem. If you need some help, just ask. I can help you too. Well, thank you. Thanks very much. Yeah. So it looks, it looks very positive. Excellent progress on redirects for wiki.jankens.io and several additional pull requests, including terminology corrections. Oh, there is some terminology. Yeah. So then I was really pleased with that. So if we look at the, at the close pull requests, fixed terminology in pipeline tutorials was one I did. Nice. And then there was one that, where is her pull request? A SVA one. Yes. A V one, no SVA one. No, I'm not finding it. But there was, there was another author that submitted. And this was an action item I had from last week was to create these terminology pull requests like this one and this one and this one. And one of them has already been taken and resolved all the way to done. I think that's all that I had for Hacktoberfest progress. Any other questions or any other things you'd like to discuss on that topic? So Vlad has submitted the Jenkins docker tutorial fixes. Now this one, I am, I am simply amazed that we got there because for me, this was a very, very, very hard one to imagine successfully working on. So it is used Jenkins official Docker Jenkins Docker image for tutorials. And the challenge here is that we need to test it locally before it merge before it merge, but this looks so promising. Tell us about what you learned, Vlad. What were the things that you had to change in order to make this work? Well, as, as you know, the goal kind of one standing goal is to stop using outdated blue ocean image and start using official Jenkins Jenkins Docker image. I'm talking about Docker image right now. The problem with Docker image, well, several problems. First, there is no blue ocean plugin inside it, and blue ocean is kind of, it's not one plugin, but several plugins and very interesting. And one of the latest projects of Jenkins and Colby's and a lot of people, I guess, are using this and another problem, which is actually more interesting that in case we're going to use, for instance, declarative pipelines or any pipelines, one of the powerful things about pipelines that we can use ephemeral agents with Docker, for instance, and, well, using this image will allow us, of course, to modify this pipeline, but execution will fail because we'll not be able to access Docker CLI, we'll not be able to use Docker CLI inside that Jenkins. And there are a lot of discussions going back to, I guess, several years ago, how to properly solve these issues, and people are talking about Docker and Docker and somebody is saying, and I, somewhere, I guess, on GitHub have summarized all these issues while preparing to Google season of docs for this year, and people are saying, well, Docker in Docker, there is proper way of doing this, and it is not really, it is not deemed, which is acronym for Docker in Docker, which is used by Docker themselves in case people would like to develop, contribute to Docker open source, but eventually there is some sequence of commands which we can install inside Docker file and create another image from our official Docker image, which will allow us to access Docker CLI, and I tested this on my Mac and on Windows, and it was, of course, not very extensive testing, but just sanity test, and it worked, and I also tested it, well, with simple declarative pipelines, I tested it with some tutorials, very simple Java Maven tutorial, and I extended it a little bit and included some Python scripts inside, and I tested it with my even multi-branch repository, it worked, and so that is why after doing this presentation on last, I guess it was last week, one of the meetups organized by CD Foundation, well, I thought, well, I can just submit this pull request, which I did actually over this weekend, and, well, I got some comments from Oleg, which I tried to understand how to approach to this. There is, of course, different ways how we can expand and in which direction we can go after that, because I specified only for tutorials, because our installation, as probably you recorded in your discussions with Zed, I guess, you mentioned that, well, this installation, Jenkins installation page in our documentation is very large, and it needs to be somehow modified, maybe brought into different chapters, like divided into different chapters, but I noticed in one of these discussions recorded on YouTube, you mentioned, well, there are some other people working on this, and probably you meant Jonathan and myself. Or me, or Meg, yes, exactly, you're precisely right, I thought, we don't have to, as you now do that, because the rest of us can do those kind of structure things. And so for this reason, I decided, well, leave this specific installation, there are different files responsible for just installation, but just target just tutorials for now, and like wait for decision consensus, which will be made how we're going to restructure our installation page, is it going to be like several sections or somehow, but today, I guess, all we've made this comment about this, it is a little bit low, I guess, he made this comment about create simple quick start guide, he mentioned in his comment. And I'm trying to understand what exactly is meant by that, and where this quick start guide should go, is it going to go in documentation, or is it going to go inside Docker plugin, which is on Jenkins CI. So when Oleg says, customize the image, he's talking about this step that you have very first here of create a Docker file. And that's the step. And I think I understand why you did it. By creating the Docker file, this will let you install. Oh, you didn't install plugins? Not yet. Well, it happens later, I assume. Right, but for this specific addressing pipelines, this can be done kind of manually, and this I can describe, because after starting, for instance, Jenkins, we can either manually install, for instance, Glowsh and plugin, or using plugin.txt or whatever approach we'll choose. But with automatic plugin installation, well, this is, I guess, we're discussing beyond this, but with automatic plugin installation, it looks that we need to know the set of plugins which is installed in the base Docker image, which we're using. So if we're using, for instance, this LTS 241.1, we need to know the set of plugins which is installed, and we can add Glowsh, for instance, to it. And this is what I'm doing on, there is GitHub repository called CICD, which I authored where I'm describing this entire process, which actually I did on presentation. And so, but it is, I sharing it with the community, but probably they are not aware, and I can, of course, point and see if you're okay with this approach, we can just somehow embed this inside our quick start or process, like how to proceed. Well, this looks, this looks marvelously encouraging. This looks wonderful. I'll do a detailed review and actually go through the tutorial following the directions. Before we merge it. So that that's great. And yeah, let me know, Mark, if you need any help with the references, because I collected, while preparing to Google Season of Dogs, a lot of different references for the search articles about Docker and Docker and what it's really is dangerous, not dangerous and so on and like, yeah. That's, that's great in case if you need any help. Right. And no doubt there will be people saying, well, you're running, because that's what this is doing, right, is installing Docker so that we can call Docker from inside the Docker image. Right. This is targeted, I guess, for Debian flavor of Linux, because our official image, as I understand, is based on Debian. Correct. That's right. Yeah. And, and the platform special interest group is discussing how we, how we shift off of Debian, in this case, Debian 10, 9 and get on to Debian 10. So that's, this is, this is great. Excellent. Thank you. I'll, I'll do some experiments and certainly give you feedback. Thank you. Thank you. And just, just some, something that I, one of the approach which we can, I can try to simplify things, but one of the approach we can take Docker file from Docker plugin itself, and there are a lot of Docker files listed over there, which uses the base image, not our released version of Jenkins, Docker Jenkins, but something like OpenJDK or whatever is based. And, but it will be much longer Docker file and much more complicated than they, not sure that we need to do this in our documentation since we can reuse the code which was created by previous contributors to Jenkins. Right. Well, and, and this is the technique I'm using. So I like the, the, the short rely on the Jenkins project to deliver me the, the base image for Jenkins. And then I'm going to add additional things that I need to, to get the job, to do the next thing that I need. Good. Very good. And of course there are some things which I still don't understand and maybe need some help clarifying with the versioning, for instance, but yeah, this is something which Oh, versioning. And that's an interesting one because, oh, that's fun. We now have the ability in, in generating other pages to actually embed this number where this number is the current Jenkins release. So that we might be able to make, I'll have to do some investigating to see, we might be able to make this page automatically populated with a current Jenkins LTS version number. It's interesting because when I looked at Docker plugin, they're saying that current Docker image version is 235.1. And so this is something, and it is under Jenkins slide, slash Docker. That's surprising. So you're saying that if I look at Jenkins slash Jenkins, it shows. No, no, no. Well, you can, exactly. Oh, oh, oh, you're looking at the, okay, you're looking at the source code for the Docker repository. Right. And, and this, this, this has a very distinctive build process that causes that, that distinctive build process causes the version number that's embedded in the file to never increment. So this one says, for instance, it's Jenkins 2.176.2, but it's used because this is a parameter, it's used to generate every Jenkins version just by changing the parameter. And there is, there is releases, I guess, somewhere on this. Correct, right. Yeah, there are. Yeah. So this, thank you for addressing. Yeah, release is 2235. Yeah. So if we look here, we should see tags. Here is 2.249.1 LTS CentOS 7, 2.249.1 LTS JDK 11, etc. Good. Okay. So we are current. That's, and that's an interesting one. I'll, we should not do a code review live here. That's not the purpose of our meeting today. I'll, I'll review it. I'll give some feedback because there are some, there, I think there are things we may be able to change here to make this more relevant to users and less likely to have to change. Good. Excellent. Any other things you'd like to highlight to us of things you learned or Well, just it is general best practice about Docker file. And I guess you and Alec highlighted several times in your presentations and video recordings that when we're using, for instance, base image, it's better to specify not just long term support release, but specific version. So we know from where this, like we're called, we're deriving all features from which version. That is why it's good. Yeah. So, and that's, that's the rationale for this number rather than just saying, yes, that makes sense. Right. We're saying, make it explicit. You need to say you want exactly this version and it won't change on you then. Okay. So just it is compliant with the best practices that is why. Very good. Um, well, and in documentation itself, I, um, uh, well, oh, I see. This is the only, it is not nice. Right, right. This is just showing us the diffs. Right. Under windows, uh, I'm using like different, for instance, uh, no, no, um, if you go. Oh, wrong one. So let's go here. Docker, Docker for tutorials on windows. So here, uh, yeah. On windows, uh, all right, uh, it is, uh, I'm using this, uh, different Docker command with different, uh, uh, continuation for lines that is, uh, using as before terminal. And on my machine, I'm using something called github terminal, which allows to use or github window. I guess it is called, uh, uh, which allows to use, uh, notation, the same syntax as on Linux machines. So we don't need to use this, um, uh, little, uh, symbols instead of, uh, forward, forward slashers continuation on the next. I see. Okay. But, but it involves, uh, like explaining how you need to install github terminal and it involves extra software. That is why I just thought, well, maybe in documentation to use extra, uh, uh, paragraph, but not discuss what needs to be done to install extra software. Now it's very good to access the term separately. That's, that is exceptional. Well done. Anything else you'd like to share with us of things that you learned through the experiment, things that we should be, we, we should be aware? Uh, well, it is not covered in this, but, uh, as, as I mentioned, in case you want to add plugins in automatic way, we need to learn this exact set of plugins in the previous version of Jenkins that you're trying to, uh, um, derive from. And so there is specific script, I guess, which allows us to get the current plugin, uh, list of plugins, um, from the current version, if you do simple rest request to the, there is, although in, in this particular case, I think that there is a relatively simple shortcut that we'll be able to use where we, let's see if I can find the documentation. It will tell us about installing the plugins. Yes, here it is. So there's a new plugin installation manager command line interface that's been bundled as a preview and we can call it like this. And by calling it like that, um, it will install all the dependencies for us. And the benefit of that is if we say this run minus, minus plugins and we say blue ocean, it will install the entire blue ocean suite, all 25 plugins by us calling for one plugin. Oh, it's interesting. And likewise GitHub branch source here, when it's called, will install the git plugin, the git client plugin, and several others, because they're all dependencies of it. So if we, if we, and there's one plugin for the declarative pipeline and maybe even one for the whole, for all of pipeline plugins, so we may be able to put in a one liner into your existing script that says give me blue ocean and give me pipeline and it will look and act very simple. So it will, okay, so it knows how to get the existing list of plugins and just extend it by what we are already, I see, great. Right, and it knows how to determine the dependencies of one plugin on another and download all dependencies. So by us saying I want just blue ocean, it will say oh we'll download the blue ocean plugin and then read its list of dependencies and then go request all those dependencies and do it, does that recursively. Thank you very much Mark for pointing this out because last week presentation I was like doing extra step by doing the rest request to existing host. Oh that's great, excellent, thank you. Anything else you'd like to share with us on the Jenkins Docker tutorial, Vlad? No, just wanted to see that I was planning to expand it to installation to keep in sync tutorials and the installation or I can wait for your comments Mark, let me know what you want. Yeah, so I would say don't delay don't delay your work waiting for my review. I've got a number of views I have to make, I don't want to make you stop but I will certainly provide a review as soon as I reasonably can and let you know. Sure, thank you. So we had already talked about reviews I think. Any other topics we need to we need to cover today? I guess. Sorry I didn't catch that Jonathan what did you say? No, no I know. Okay. I guess it was Vlad. Okay Vlad. Just I wanted to of course remind that you provided recently these five issues regarding updating terminology and you labeled those as new camera like good new camera contributions, something like this. So should we reserve it for newcomers or in case if there is like spare time should we solve those issues by I think if you're if you are welcome to work on a good first issue absolutely. So if you feel like working on it you should do it. Those are those are excellent choices of things that we want to get done and we would love to be able to tell people that we're making more progress on terminology updates. So absolutely. Yes if you're if you've got a few minutes I think they're relatively simple particularly for the two of you where you already have lots of experience working with the Jenkins.io site. You'll you'll find them very quickly and yes change this not change this yes change this and then you submit the pull request. It's important to do this more because you can earn a t-shirt or a plant A3. New trees on the world. Exactly that's great. I was thinking about using one of those issues or maybe Jonathan issues to show during this presentation how to build the site and how to do pull request. And you are welcome to do that although I have to warn you they may all be gone by the time we get to that that meeting. So we can we can we can there there are other places that need terminology updates so we can certainly create one for you to do in the demo. Thank you. Any other topics? That should conclude our meeting then. I will post a link to the recording. Thanks very very much everyone. Thank you. Bye everyone.


in the name of the law we bring you another of the thrilling stories in this exciting series taken from actual police case file our story begins by enforcement grim wall of steel and stone it is September I'd sooner die trying to make this break than rotten here for 12 years I do you think I feel stir on a 25 year wrap all right Wyoming I got this job out in the courtyard so we make a break now listen here's what we have to do look out here comes a screw you're the rat hi Joe Pal I read gonna sing for us at Warden Tucker Shindig tonight can't have a prison party without you I sure you know me Joe I always help out the boys I'm gonna sing Mother McCree and California here I come yeah that's good California here I come maybe in 25 years you'll make California in red with five off for good behavior California here I come that's rich on a a I'll show them including what in Tucker he don't think I'm on the level and I'm gonna prove it right Sullivan yeah Wyoming yes right here's what we do Wyoming only about 50 feet from those stables and when we break you set fire to that straw get it sure here's the big Roman candle matches Dara smuggled them into me last visit today some girl Dara yeah when I get out I'll get the dough to bring Dara's back to California now listen Wyoming but that smoke to cover us up and the fire given them plenty to worry about we break for the wall right sure Sullivan when we get to the wall I'll throw the ladder against it you hook the rope we're hiding there onto the ladder and toss the rope over the wall understand yes right all right remember if we get separated right Dara's mother we are she'll pass the news on to me right I'll get you I'll keep working I'll give the office any minute now the fallen who makes the break with Ryan was wounded in capture these escape convicts will want money and guns immediately as they hold up to their specialty all thanks to a warrant for the next regard and report any information to warden Robert Tucker at Portman remember Ryan is redheaded wooden ducker I'm glad you were able to come to Ottawa in this case and I go farther than from Portsmouth to Ottawa to capture red Ryan in specter dungeon well warden the entire criminal investigation department here is at your disposal and I personally am going to devote all my time to the capture of red Ryan thank you inspector I need all the help I can get from you and from the American police to you can depend on the American authorities sit down warden thanks tell me all about them and inspector he's the most dangerous and the most misleading criminal in Canada misleading yes Ryan has the most attractive personality you ever met he can sing like an angel he makes people like you worst of all he makes them trust him then he betrays that trust but he didn't fool me how long was he in Portsmouth penitentiary he's been there three times always gets out for good behavior came to Portsmouth first on a three-year stretch for burglary and attempting to kill an officer or the sentence reduced yes for good behavior always a model convict three months after he was out he was back the 12-year term for robbery this was in 1915 you don't mean to say it was let out again that's just what I mean to say for good behavior this term was reduced he went overseas Canadian army some say he deserted and joined the foreign legion what happened then well in 1921 he was sent to St. Vincent de Paul prison then transferred to Portsmouth where I came in contact with him he was an ideal prisoner even hard boiled guards swore by him and trusted him as he friends outside powerful friends outside the best people they always hope for his reform and he always fools them but he didn't fool me much his good conduct however did get him out in the yard from where it was possible to make the break which he did and I'll get Ryan of after chase him all over Canada how about women friends as he many well as one girl he likes Doris she lives in Toronto as she visited Ryan and wrote in every week we're having her house shadowed have you the file of all his prison letters and the record of all his visitors yes inspector I brought them with me here they are well this fellow McMullen was captured we don't have to worry about Simpson and Brian much no they're petty criminals but Ryan and Sullivan now think they'll stick together unquestionably look enough alike to bid brothers both are tall and slender Ryan's hair is flaming red you know Sullivan's blonde they've been friends since their school days looks bad a holiday with guns deadly and when we find them you may be sure they'll be posing his brothers pardon inspector what is it sergeant inspector mr. Leroy oak manager of the bank of Nova Scotia Toronto just phone what's the matter of that in a bank Robbie two men held up a redhead and blonde sergeant what why yes what but how did how much cash was taken over $3,000 spent all right doesn't flash all dominion the city police to be on the lookout for red Ryan and Arthur Sullivan yes inspector it's Ryan and Sullivan all right inspector unquestionably we'll have to read we double our efforts now I'll get in touch with the American police right away we'll need them Ryan and Sullivan have money and guns now that means they're more dangerous than ever oh is that you read darling oh I've waited years for this you got my letter on what oh yes red mama gave it to me but you're driving without any light oh red you'll get killed someday not in an automobile accident sweetheart why are you trembling so you don't know what it means how long can I hold you like that we've got five minutes this redhead of mine will draw cops like when will I be again when I get said I'll wire for you here's $300 I'll send you plenty more oh but red you said you were going straight and you didn't you robbed the bank of Nova Scotia right here in Toronto this afternoon I had to have money but I swear on my mother's memory this is the last job I'll ever pull I'll go straight get a job buy a little home for you in California we'll go away together away together from jails and police men and bank robberies and shame promise swear I swear on my love for you I'll never rob another bank does that satisfy you oh yes red oh you're wonderful you can get any job people like you you don't have to steal you can work I know you mean to be good but there are two men inside of you one good one hard yes and both crazy about you how are you when and where will you be ready I'll always be ready and remember your promise a red-headed guy is like an elephant he never forget there you are Mr. Green $4,506 quite a payroll you have these days yep keeps me awesome but I'm satisfied if I can meet the payroll and overhead and have a few dollars left for me and the kids well Mr. Green you'd make the bank feel better if you had a bodyguard whenever you carry a payroll we've had some bad holups in Detroit lately I forgot to tell you I've got a bodyguard young fellas been working for me for a week or so a week who is he oh don't worry I know an honest face when I see one his name is Wheeler there he is by the door oh Wheeler ready Mr. Green yes I just wanted to tell her to get a good look at my new bodyguard how are you Mr. Wheeler call him red how are you red fine thanks a well so long come on red right with you Mr. Green and over that payroll you get him very quick help he's helping me you heard him handed over but what are you over that money let go of that money oh please help let him have it Solomon help please he won't eat it anyway he's going to be pushing up daisies are settling here in Buffalo yes my brother here and I are going into the automobile business so the first place we come to is a bank yeah we'd like to open an account good luck I'd be glad to have you gentlemen what's the name please Miller Edward and Charles Miller which is great you look like twins except that you have red hair and your brother blonde hair stick them up well guns of what you'll fall around blow your brain keep them covered I'll attend to the others outside okay four thousand five hundred dollars and the payroll hold up in Detroit and six thousand from the bank in Buffalo and this is the man who convinces everyone he's going straight any reports from your undercover man inspector that kid wouldn't have a special operator covering the mail that Doris gets. Doris should be hearing from Ryan soon he's in the money ten thousand five hundred dollars to submit. Message for you inspector thanks sergeant operator three finally saw a certain letter here's a copy Doris sweetheart we got a car the fastest on the road can pass anybody going west riders Minneapolis general delivery we're under the names of Ed and Charlie Miller brothers we should be there the week of December 18th we'll pull a good job there and make for this angle I'll send for you to be married then no more hold-ups ever again I promise to go straight Minneapolis December 18th that gives it just four days to get there and set the trap general delivery a maybe we can hand them a surprise Christmas present. Yes Chief Brunthill we'll have to rely entirely on you and your Minneapolis police I sure wasn't covered won't you an inspector Duncan being on it yes undercover but not in the open but Ryan knows both the inspector here and me one glimpse of us in Minneapolis and it could be all off that's right well we can't take it how many men can you spare to get Ryan is out of it. The best man I've got Bill me and he's absolutely fearless can he shoot well he's a dead shot I plan to have him in the post office near the general delivery window anybody asks for mail for Ed or Charlie Miller me and I'll be right there I wish we could be right there too. Chief since Tucker and I can't appear outside how about putting us inside the post office too we've chased this man thousands of miles and we intend to get him dead or alive all right we'll all be inside fine good now everything's arranged with the post office authorities either man comes to the window for mail for Miller brothers but clerk at the window will step on a buzzer like this one that'll tip us off what about outside well outside the post office I'll have detectives and policemen this may be a bloody business since it's Christmas time and the post office will be crowded with women and children and Ryan wouldn't hesitate to shoot his way out of them we can't afford to give him a chance here you are next but a joint joint joint about Butterfield sorry nothing for Butterfield next have you any mail for Mrs. Great Larkin and here you are Mr. Larkin next oh well let us and daddy that's cool anything yet oh I've been hanging around this general delivery windows along I can't think solid they see my gran will show up I don't know let her still here waiting for Charlie Miller well it's pretty near closing time I'll be inside with a walk all right you listen for the buzzer there you are next any mail for Charlie or Ed Miller what what name Ed or Charlie Miller my brothers I'll see I was sure I saw that he here for Charlie Miller I changed my brand of my hands look like yours hey what is it from that window that's all my arms help me to sing an extra solo in a choir oh gee you got me all wrong working I'm true I may have to spend the rest of my days here but I'm a changed man I will see I watched you now for six years Ryan ever since we brought you back from Minneapolis that Christmas poor son of them well maybe he was lucky I got life crime doesn't pay after all I guess my news is I'm leaving Portsmouth prison G warden I'm sorry to see you go we'll meet again Ryan somewhere I'm going to be warden that Prince Albert penitentiary need a good tenor in your choir over there one when I leave here Ryan you may sing your way out of prison but if I had my way you'd never get a parole oh hello warden gentlemen I came to see if I could help you these holdups and murders and bank robberies that have been going on been a regular epidemic of them lately six in four weeks tough cases too sure looks like a well organized gang working I don't know I had a mob like that myself once have you heard anything Ryan no inspector the bad boys know I've been going straight for over a year making $500 a month now on my two jobs don't need to hold up banks on that salary right but these bank jobs look bad I came in to see if I can help and I'm glad you're here wasn't to hear my idea so am I what is it if I say the word I can find out things if any bank jobs are going to be pulled and when I can tip you off and you can get them in you know one bank teller thought he recognized your old friend Wyoming McMullen would you squeal and another pal out on parole that don't sound like red Ryan I admit but I figure I owe a debt to decent people and maybe this way I can pay it off Ryan you're starting right now what the white horse got beat again like you said I guess I'm cashing in my chips this time how did you the morning you killed that gas station attendant and then came to the inspector's office to help us guess I never fooled you much did I wouldn't you only fooled yourself Ryan license plates you are making good money why couldn't you stay honest why did you have to pull all those bank jobs lately and this liquor store hold up something inside here what happened to to Wyoming McMullen was cornered in a bus and he killed himself trying to shoot a policeman over his shoulder shot himself right to the neck I'd like to show for it people and mr. Hyde Ryan he's up for his last


Calories and calories out does not take into consideration the macronutrient differences in a lot of diets and especially on the zero-carb carnivore diet we see many anecdotes of people consuming way more calories than they used to yet they're still losing weight and improving their body composition and hey we also see the opposite we see people consuming very little calories and not losing any weight at all. Now in regards to a study done you know they fed three groups of people a thousand calories of each of the macronutrients like one group was carbs one group was fat one group was only protein the fat group lost the most weight the protein group lost half the weight of the fat group and the carbohydrate group actually gained weight so there's definitely differences in regards to macronutrients and I don't want that to be the focus of this video so we're just gonna kind of brush that to the side and I'm gonna talk about my experience with wayloss with my sister and you know she is mentally disabled which is important in the context that she can't do resistance training she has no willpower and she cheated on her diet at day program and because my relatives are jerk-offs to be honest but you know she's the worst example of someone that needs to lose weight because she's sedentary she has an incredibly low lean body mass her frame size is super small she's 411 and she's supposed to be literally 90 pounds with a little muscle she's insulin resistant she's heavily was heavily obese at 411 160 pounds and I guess those are all the factors right so we started at 411 oh and the hormonal thing you know she took birth control she probably had way too high estrogen levels that's probably another thing to consider so those five factors you know it can't really get worse than that unless she has some sort of disease like diabetes now we did get her down to 135 pounds doing lazy keto but then it just stalled for months we were fine the diet a bit restricted the calories started walking for exercise we got her down to 125 120 you know we couldn't get her below that point until we removed all plant foods and did zero carb with her and did probably about an hour and a half of cardio two hours of cardio a day and this was just walking no resistance training so we did eventually get her down to 103 pounds I mean she still literally has 10 pounds of body fat this girl's literally 411 103 pounds with like and she's still like 25% body fat believe it or not just unbelievable how little lean body mass this girl has literally she could probably literally weight 85 pounds if she wanted to unfortunately so it was you know very difficult struggle getting this girl to adhere to a you know 300 to 400 calorie diet for several months to just lose a pound a week and you know she went out and she did one day at her program and had a thousand calories that one day that would pretty much ruin the whole week and that was probably what was happening every week that's probably why we had such a hard time getting her to lose weight but the reason I bring up this story is because you know we see a lot of people on zero carb carnivore lose weight and improve their body composition in general and this is why some people don't you know those underlying factors other reasons are why some people see success on this diet in regards to weight loss and body composition and some people don't and that's what irritates me is the like eat as much as you want your body needs nutrients no muscle meat especially grained beef doesn't have nutrients liver organs fish that has nutrients that's what your body needs when it has excess fat it's one thing if your skin and bones and your starving that's when you might actually need to caloric nutrients but there's a big difference you know people saying you need to eat four pounds of pork a day for nutrients are brain dead cult like idiots I'm not getting further into that in this video but if you have someone who's 400 pounds they could literally just eat 200 calories worth of liver sand and row and cod liver oil every day for months at a time and as long as they have electrolytes they'll get to their ideal body weight they have enough protein in those organ meats their body is living off of the fat in their body you know they have the vitamins from those nutrient-dense foods and they maybe just need a little bit of electrolytes here and there but that is a very strong willpower thing that you need to have incredible discipline to do a calorically restricted diet to that extreme and fasting too fasting is great for resetting powder ability resetting hunger craving stomach size just losing weight in general it's great for overall health it's something I always do but again not everyone wants to do that so those two things the fasting the incredibly prolonged periods of time on reduced caloric deficients those are the extreme and self-discipline ways for people that have that iron will that have no underlying health problems that want to end understand nutrition more as a whole generically for people on the carnivore diet that want to lose weight we have to take a couple steps here and there and most people don't remove foods like dairy and cheese unfortunately at the start and that actually might solve a lot of problems and the problem inherently isn't with eggs or dairy it's that you're not just consuming six hundred colors with the bags you probably wouldn't have eaten those eggs if you just had me you're not just consuming a hundred colors with the cheese those hundred colors with the cheese is causing you to eat a thousand you know it's like if I had a dry steak with age balsamic on it I'll probably have another thousand calories with the steak it's not the food in itself that's the problem the food itself is creating an artificial powder ability that's causing you to consume excess amounts of food so removing eggs and dairy is one way to lose weight on the carnivore diet if you're literally only eating meat and water I don't think there's too many people that are having problems with that maybe they're just consuming too much protein maybe they need to change their fat ratios for me the ideal meal it starts with organ meats and high vitamin fish a couple bites to get those cravings out of the way then you move on to eating the fat and once your fat satiation is done then you move on to eating the protein the reason you do that is because your body has different hunger signals for each of those foods it says okay Frank you got enough copper from the liver and then it says okay Frank you have enough fat in your stomach that's all the bile we have to digest for today and when you eat the protein it's like okay Frank that's it for your stomach volume your body is able to digest a certain amount of each macro nutrient and vitamin and mineral to a certain degree and it craves certain amounts that's something that people really need to keep in mind and consider and increasing the overall nutrient density of the diet you know through muscle meat and fat isn't really the important thing here it's you know things that make much more of a difference are removing the dairy and the cheese resetting powder ability through fasting electrolytes probably tie in a lot one thing I should definitely mention is a lot of people think they're hungry when they're thirsty and this is overlooked by an incredible amount of people I think most people should be hydrating throughout most of the day and then maybe having meals at least after you're definitely adequately hydrated with high amounts of mineral water but I think I've touched on pretty much every topic in regards to weight loss on the zero-carb carnivore diet the idea of this video was just to throw those ideas out there you know just say you could do this you could do that blah blah blah and get you guys to just do the research on your own and this is the purpose of all my videos I can't go into depth on a lot of these topics the videos would be too long I would never get all my content out there there's just there's literally probably 10 things in this video I could have each talked for 10 minutes on but that's just you know my I'm just here to bring the information to you guys get you guys thinking and get you seek a warriors out of my comments I was a little salty yesterday but thank you guys for watching if you guys would like to support me you know hey check out the story my patreon just share the channel definitely some things to be looking forward to over the next few weeks so I guess to summarize this you know Frank what would you actually deal with a client that came to you for weight loss well first week it depends on you know the discipline like obviously that extremely caloric restricted diet and fasting is an extreme thing and usually only clients that come to me that do that we're already doing it on their own I don't really advocate that what I advocate is you know we can increase your density of the diet we can restrict calories if necessary we can do omad we can do one meal a day you know there's various things I can do to critique someone's diet you have to explore all these options and see which one you think works for you for someone like me I could fast for a week or I could go on a raw diet only for two weeks or I could get candida from eating too much honey and milk and not be able to eat for two weeks there's multiple ways to lose weight some of them healthier than others and nutrient and mineral deficiencies and vitamin deficiencies need to be spoken about more if you haven't been consuming organ meats and you don't have adequate fats I will buy in the stores and your food isn't high on minerals because of soil demineralization there's so many factors that go into hunger thirst and satiation that you guys might not be thinking about it could be as silly as a vitamin D3 deficiency that's why you might be eating so much who knows there's so many things to look into so as with me I encourage you guys to take everything with a grain of salt and to always try to explore and broaden your dietary knowledge


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These innocent victims of the sharp-cutting edge of the enemy's military action have learned they can turn to us for help, support, and security. And to the American serviceman, it is equally clear that the battles won with the sharp edge of our own blade are only a beginning. Ultimate victory in Vietnam will be won through the people. In the civic action that complements the military action through our determined and skillful use of the full blade. The concept of the full blade became a reality during the rice harvest along the Cambien River. A small number of village farmers had asked for help. They knew that in a few nights the Viet Cong would come to take what they needed in the form of a rice tax. So the men of the 1st Battalion, 9th Marines, moved inland on an operation called Golden Fleece, a classic example of civic action. On the surface, it might have appeared that this was just another grinding methodical patrol. But in the coming days, the men of the 9th Regiment would not only save a rice crop, they would challenge more than a decade of communist control. With America's first broad employment of the civic action concept in the Far East, Song Cambien, a rich, fertile and very carefully cultivated battle. There is a proverb here that says every inch of earth is an inch of gold. It's nearly impossible to comprehend what years of Viet Cong terror and exploitation can do to a Vietnamese village. One certain side effect is suspicion. Any man who stands in a village street with a rifle over his arm is a man to be feared. But fortunately for the farming people of Song Cambien, there were others who weren't afraid. They told what they knew about the Viet Cong hiding places, talked about the enemy's leaders. The cutting edge would come first. Using village guides, marine patrols would push the Viet Cong out of the valley complex. Then villagers in the area would be brought to a collection point, provided protection in their rice fields during the harvest. This would strengthen the people's desire to help themselves. A basic ingredient in the formula of security, ambition and self-respect. That is the hallmark of the full blade of civic action. As the first combat patrol swept southward through the tributaries of Song Cambien, a theory long held as gospel by the communist capital at Hanoi began to come apart at the scenes. The Americans might fight in the Vietnamese countryside. But any real attempts at a genuine revolution in health, welfare and self-sufficiency would be directed strictly toward the struggling central government in Saigon. This was the American way of doing things in the Far East. It was this postulate that the man of the 9th Regiment and their village guides began to pull apart during the first moments of contact with a Viet Cong stronghold. This is the benign face of terror in South Vietnam. To the farmers and peasants, he is a warrior of the seven headed dragons. He operates best in a small group close to where he was born and raised. In these natural surroundings, he has identified with and helped to destroy all local governments of the immediate countryside.  He can hardly be expected to know the meaning of the words self-help, self-respect and self-realization. Twenty-seven of his kind and their stolen weapons of war were captured by Marines during the first day of military operations near Saigon Bien. But even then, there were areas of doubt. One of the Viet Cong's special talents is the ability to blend into a crowd of innocent men. With their initial military objective secured, the Marines prepared to implement the full blade. If it could liberate the hearts and minds of the people of Saigon Bien from old Viet Cong influences, if it could work in this small corner of villages, this second face of war might one day spread over all of South Vietnam. Now it was first things first, using our immense resources of men, machines and medical know-how to care for those who were in urgent need of immediate help. An assistance, the enemy had neither the capacity nor the desire to extend. For the men ashore, there was still much more to do. Their deeds in the coming days would demonstrate to the Vietnamese in fact that the democracy we take for granted is more than idle political theory. For a people whose very existence depends on the crops they cultivate, the most effective sort of civic action had to be in the fields and rice paddies where the Golden Police was ready for harvesting. This wasn't the time to challenge their ancient methods to marvel at the crude machinery that has served their hands for hundreds of years. The story of the harvesters and reapers, tools of our 20th century, would come later. The important job was to bring in the crop to safety, away from the still very real threat of Viet Cong attack and direct gangland style collection of rice tax, a tax that in the past has amounted to as much as 75% of the crop. To bring in the Golden Police of the native harvest, the same amphibious tractors that had carried the American servicemen into military action were used now to implement this phase of the civic action. The people too had to be brought in from the fields to the collection point. Here they were given a safe haven. While the diplomats in Dungarees brought to a conclusion a people-to-people program that began 10,000 miles away in the homes, churches and businesses of the United States. They carried out a program which did more than words to dispel the distrust born of years of unfriendly propaganda. There still were some doubting Thomas' but in Vietnam as everywhere else there is still one sure roof to the heart of a man. For the little ones, of course, there is no understanding of such words as people-to-people and political ideologies, but the babies unfold to warmth and kindness and food and with the responsiveness of all children. Their bigger brothers soon decide the people-to-people concept should work both ways. Nearby the rice was being stored away with American servicemen and Vietnamese people young and old working side by side. In the sort of cooperative effort that is doing the most to put forward our mission in Vietnam to the Vietnamese every bit of the crop is vital. The straw of the rice stalks is transformed into the mats on which they sit. The ropes that tie their bundles, the sandals on their feet, even the roofs over their heads, and every single drain of rice is cherished. Soldiers of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam and American officers worked side by side in Operation Golden Fleece. With the grain stored and the needs of the flesh attended to it was time for another phase of our civic action. The story translated into pictures of the kind of help our technological advances can provide during future harvests along the Cambian River. The same amtrak that carried out the fighting men and brought in the grain became a crude but effective motion picture theater. To the men who handed out the pamphlets that amplified the story told by the film it was clear that the villagers were interested and our positive action was wiping away the generations old the near of distrust and doubt. But whatever the method, whenever the harvest, the rice crop represents life itself to these people of Vietnam. Certainly, no Jason ever found a more truly Golden Fleece. Operation Golden Fleece was a classic example of combined military and civic action. Its fulfilled aim was to supplement the capabilities, needs, and aspirations of a people. So that one day when we are gone, they will be able to carry on alone.