pened it all was at night time until they were done and it was day so if it was over the course I didn't assume it was a single night yeah it's not a big deal I was just wondering if anyone had an issue with it I'm fine with it because sure Quill's amazing I'm fine to buy that yeah so yeah I guess as a reference to what we were talking about earlier just walking through the town with the bounty that everybody's currently chasing and apparently Will apparently betray each other for it's just a bit of a risk there unless there is that stronger rule that once you're in the location where the guild is no guns out it would only be harder for people to get away with it that close to guild HQ yep yeah but still I would really be on my toes either it's just to me it's a bit risky because of that is an extremely valuable bounty and he doesn't even have the cover on which I find I'm just like careful man well hang on they would only know it's a bounty if they are actively using the fobs to track yeah but everybody yeah you could assume most of the bounty hunters are trying to find them they all are off-planet off-planet looking for them well that's a thing if fobs have the range limitation no they're there because it walks in the bar and they're all there well they all look at him and they know that that's the bounty that I run yeah Carl explicitly says I gave him to all and he looks at everybody and says it out loud so everybody can hear all of them yeah and then at the end when he captures it back we reactivate and everybody starts going on yeah good point sorry I've got it directly someone in the chat keeps saying that rags and I hate this show and are trying to make everybody hated and then we came into what is a hater and that that's our goal can you just know do you not remember us defending the show we literally said at the beginning that we really like the first few episodes when we watched them and we were on this show's side so just I thought I made a mistake no ascribing motivations don't do it we don't hate it and look for reasons we see the reasons and that's why we hate it at least give us the benefit of the doubt that we're not trying to pull the wool over your eyes we went back to watch episodes one and two because we thought they were the good ones and we wanted to affirm that but it just didn't happen we rewatched all of this stuff they're still the better ones I would call episode one and two good I wouldn't but they're the best I think I'd call episode one good just like yeah it's hittering in actual fact I would consider them really good when I look at it broadly with especially production values and stuff like that yeah we gotta keep going keep going for being very very covid the troopers don't seem to mind walking outside of the hidey hole I don't know what to think of that walk out and yeah they just walk right out into the street with their armor they don't have anybody to check who's not wearing armor seems like a really dumb thing to do if that's risky on ours unless there was something that I worried about and then it's passed but you'd still think if someone would be wearing stormtrooper armor it's not explained but at the same time it doesn't need to be because it's so small they're trying to hide but they do something that actively contradict not a big point where is it established that they are trying to hide apart from staying inside why wouldn't they be trying to hide aren't they I don't know I hate the galaxy they're at odds with the guild well it's still an assumption I mean if this is a cluted planet they could then and so they were inside for some reason which isn't defined and then they're outside for another and so again it's like because you could explain a reason that they are hiding for whatever reason but that's the same as me trying to make up a defense for something that isn't explained in world so it goes both ways I guess I think it makes sense in a more obvious contextual way that they would be trying to hide because this is different to trying to look at expanded universe because this is like the main saga stuff the idea that this is the the empires ended they were underground they're on some different planet I guess you think that they would be a little bit more it's not too big a deal it's not like a big deal but I would be like I would be certainly hiding I would be want to keep keeping a low profile mm-hmm notice they don't even tell for instance they don't even tell Carl Weathers that they are imperial for him to tell people they discover it face to face when they go to the their imperial HQ someone asked it's not an imperial contract it's listed as like a private client thing I thought Carl knew they were imperials and he just didn't tell Manda he did yeah Carl knew he didn't tell people who were given the contracts that they had to go there personally he wasn't just telling people but again it's a little thing I think it's unusual not a big deal we can move on uh yeah he says that uh the reason he'd given out the um the bounty to so many people was because he had to ensure its delivery I just find that interesting it's like it's a bit risky because you're sending so many people who are unaware of each other after it yeah I would agree with that one I would think you would actually getting this target by hiring the one best bounty hunter at a higher chance and then by hiring additional people you're just sending people to get in his way a big group meeting where you're like hey guys so you're all going for this bounty just you know keep an eye out for each other okay don't kill each other right I gotta just check this really quickly someone said I really hope they show the scene where the thermals are clearly only his scope at a thermal no that is wrong season one episode five in the dark I can give you a time yeah he did bring this up before I have the fucking screen caps in our chat of it you're wrong if you think that only the scope has thermals we need the nail in the coffin 20 I have I won't believe you rags until I see it with my own eyes 21 minutes he sees the zoo back the zoo bat he doesn't even have his rifle with him in this scene and he's not using the scope either um so stop it stop it he says the Mandalorians are rarer than best car itself which is interesting to sort of consider alongside the position of the Mandalorians in this place just a casual thought in relation to how how secretive they need to be um and for me it added to the idea that Mandalorians would be very protective of their own numbers one of them in this and the third episode here even comments on how we used to be numerous now we're hiding not that many of us you know so it would give the idea that they would really want to protect their numbers because there's not many of them uh okay oh yeah these are the things we've brought before about uh the Mandalorians themselves um it's weird that when he gets into a fight with the Mandalorian he keeps like stabbing at the armor like slashing his armor he takes his knife and slashes across the chest plate unusual maybe they weren't trying to kill each other maybe they were just trying to spook each other like for instance hema when you spar you're sparring protective gear and landing a hit is a victory and so they don't want to kill each other but showing that I can actually still tag you and it's a one-up yeah I can believe it yeah that makes sense because there's not many of them they probably don't actually want to kill each other he clearly slashes with a knife and I'm going to be on a shed it fucking bugs the shit out of me how in video games and movies daggers are used to slash it bugs me but yeah this is just I yeah that makes a lot of sense to me that's fair enough um um let me see what I have episode three oh he doesn't lock his ship when he comes back again um what in episode three is when is it yeah because Carl Weathers gets onto it he's on he's on board does Carl know how to pick a lock I don't know but you'd still think that you would assume that it would be secured and locked and it would and that he just was able to hack in or break the door lock maybe but he specifically tells Quill to like initiate lockdown mode and the general defense apart from just yeah but like always do that always yeah always well hang on hang on no because you would only do that if everyone's a hostile and therefore anyone approaching it was going to get shot what if a kid approached it you wouldn't want that well they would just lock down you couldn't get in well it possibly could have been we don't know and that yeah you want to lock it down so no one did you have it did you have a droid that can hack in because droids can always open the ship he can unlock it yeah I'm talking about Carl when he well I'm talking about an episode we might be talking about two different things in episode seven he specifically tells Quill to get into the ship and like lock it up like super tight defensive mode right like that should be the default thing well no because that I thought that the super defensive mode implied that it's going to shoot anyone over approaches with what he has guns on the ship well yeah but they only point forwards well uh yeah do they have how is it going to shoot someone how's the ship going to shoot itself or like people well I mean it's funny right like I was kind of when I when I when I heard full defensive mode I was kind of thinking this isn't shown so I have no validity in saying this is what would have happened right is that a gun turret would have popped up that rotated because spaceships seem to always have hidden guns everywhere we see on the millennium falcon where a gun just pops down from the other thing and then points to people and fires at and stuff like that are we going to keep Carl Weathers off the ship later this episode but he doesn't do it but that would have prevented him from thinking under the ship if he had yeah I know I know right but um Mandalorian he uh and we're like how aware was he that that was going to happen when he landed the ship that should be the default when he landed the stuff is no no no because if you have automatic fire on thing and these there are families and kids in this um settlement what I don't know where this fire is coming from well that's the thing I like I like again I don't have any justification for it but I guess we'll have to fight it but I would almost expect there is a hidden turret a hidden automatic turret that pops out of the ship to fire on people is a really assumption that's based on nothing it you're absolutely right except that we have seen it in Star Wars before on the Millennium Falcon and someone said you need to be in the ship for full lockdown if that is the case then fair enough and just just on my point we have seen it before though the Millennium Falcon does it and a gun pops out and treats people and so yeah but I yeah but that's the Millennium Falcon we know it has turrets I know it's a stretch but yeah so alright here's my question what would full lockdown do just having it locked I don't know wait so you can see that he should have it locked then yeah so my real point here is the point I'm trying to make is he should have it locked always like when you leave your ship you lock it so people can't just walk in well that's I thought that would be the default and full lockdown would be something that obviously has some measure of additional defense something else like maybe it only responds to that seemed to me that I was just implied by what full lockdown meant and we've never seen it and so because we're not shown what full lockdown is in what it's capable of doing to repel people trying to get on board it or we can assume that it must be something better than just having the ship locked sure I can assume yeah like there's a difference but I'm not ready to jump to the difference is a hidden turret that pops up and shoots well I kind of assume that just because that's what we've seen in Star Wars previously but if not it obviously has to be something point is the point is here lock your doors well my point my point my counterpoint is always really getting that I assume that it was locked not people just walk on board like Carl just walks that's one instance and he could have hacked on because droids can open yeah but that's still going to stuff that there's no scene to support I know I know but it's also implied and shown many times that you can it's implied that he hacks to get in as far as I know he just walks up to it and opens it yeah Mando's not like Mando's not surprised it was like left open I agree but I just can't remember it being left open or not let me go to episode one here and see if he has to do something to unlock look at this one just said please moderate what do we do shut up both of you like no they've got something to talk about they can talk about it yeah I just think it's locked locked your ship use a padlock if you gotta we move in or we not alright I think it's a tad risky of him to advertise his best car armor as he does in the cantina I understand that it's obviously a deterrent to try and shoot at him because his best car armor but at the same time it's like wearing a golden suit or something of a very valuable set piece and I'm just like careful but but would he ever not wear it and I mean yeah he's kind of you could probably cover some of it with some cloak or poncho I don't know I think part of the thing about whole Mandalorian is presenting that I'm a Mandalorian it's almost a part of their religion that they I mean I'm willing to accept that I just if I was a friend of his I'd be like dude be careful maybe I don't know I would have been good to have a light or something like that and then he's just like no this is my honor or something like that and shut up I'm wearing it and it's like oh okay then it's funny I have something like that I have something like that in my book where the main character he has a sword that belongs to his well when he was you know like an emperor an evil emperor and it's imperious it's this famous indestructible sword that everyone recognizes and is told like it's actually a conversation in the book saying you're not gonna just walk around with that are you everyone's gonna recognize it and so and there goes and this isn't this is just me thinking right at what point does a culture's culture become so counterproductive and potentially self-destructive that you ditch it or cultural ties are very like I know that yeah but I'm curious to the point of that culture's extinction if we're looking at history I'd say yeah but still I mean at what point are you like yeah maybe this part you know because like Django Fett he could take off his helmet without a problem so there's probably and I'm not discounting any reason why and stuff you know Django wasn't a Mandalorian he was just right oh I had no idea yeah he was not he stole it fair enough all right fair enough then and like I said I'm mostly okay with it it's just just something to think about is like be capable it was just it was just amusing of mine right because later on I agree I think it would be it would add more consistency to what this is implied by having people trying to jump him just to seal the armor because he is wearing gold essentially like more better yeah it's I think it's really interesting because you have the whole don't take your helmet off thing and you can't do this and can't do that and you have to do this and only one person up at a time and they're clearly struggling and a lot of people there's a lot of unrest clearly I'm just like I'm wondering at what point would it take for Mandalorians to be like yeah maybe we could adjust this maybe we could change this and everyone's like oh Islam is like okay I guess no examples to a culture changing to fit anything yeah it's okay I know what happens I know some I know cultures are obviously very deeply ingrained I acknowledge that just amusing just the thought in chat you got in the in the old EU Django and Boba were both Mandalorians in the EU and then soon after you got a Django wasn't even a Mando in the EU I guess chat disagreed somebody's right alright my resources when I did my video on Mandalorian I looked up the Mandalorian I wanted to find out what it was made out of stuff and I listed several times on Wikipedia and at Django and Boba were not Mandalorians yeah that's fine with me well here if they aren't Mandalorians that's fair enough if they are something did change which I'm ready to accept both I'm just bringing it up as a thought it could have been retcons it could have been that they were Mandalorians Mandalor? I don't know about that I like that he got reminded of baby Yoda by going to pull the lever yes I like that the little knob on the I do like that this episode was almost made by the kind of heroic arc of him saying no I'm going to save this little guy's life and that was great and it was portrayed the moment of decision was executed really well for me and I really like this episode as well even if it was for a small well it's not a small reason it's the whole theme of the episode and you're like yeah cool go save him of all the things you could I will say I think your thing is probably going to be more relevant I'm moving on I was going to say in that aspect and I think this is having them it feels rushed as I said in the beginning I'm fine with the idea of him like becoming like a father figure or a savior to baby Yoda I do feel with only eight episodes and some of them having nothing to do with the plot or advancing it in any way they kind of rushed that a bit I really wish we got more development on that I really wish we got more justification for why did he choose baby Yoda when it turns out that his actions there got the Mandalorians killed and caused all these problems and hang on are you sure because I thought I was thoroughly justified when you find out that he was essentially the same as baby Yoda he was and he has a soft spot to the family I understand why he did but I think they should have taken they should have taken more time building it up show us what it was like before it would be worth it would make it more interesting to have all this time where he's really hardened and really cold like he was in the first half like he was in episode one when I really liked him and then build up to it and then over time the mystery unravels and it becomes more apparent why he made that decision because we hadn't seen any of the flashbacks it would have been and it was the end of season one everybody would have been like wow holy shit this is not something they would have expected you know what I mean they all didn't die survivors says some may have escaped hang on there was no guarantee that they would have died he had no indication that this action was going to cause the death he had to know you have to move now and his assumption was that they were going to move and be fine and then they just did it so this is shifting a problem from one person to another yeah well it should because if the main character is so crucial to the story you should figure out what is legitimately cold or not this would put him at odds with the guild which would really hurt the reputation of the Mandalorians which would specifically give the empire and the more reason to hunt Mandalorians which I think is interesting because while they used to it's clear that in his name Werner Herzog I forget the name he clearly had some level of connection he wanted to see the Mandalorians succeed in a way but that's gone now essentially because of his betrayal it causes a lot of problems by doing this it does I was half expecting that the other Mandalorians were going to exile him or hunt him down but that's the thing from his perspective that could have been a legitimate outcome and it just goes that it was even a greater risk and even more noble of him to risk so much to save this little guy's life because he's risking his own exile from his religion and people and then luckily for him and I don't think this is a stretch that it was convenient that the Mandalorians showed no we're loyal to our own we're going to protect you and then as a result we need to move and so it wasn't him like saying screw you to his own race because with the intention that now you're going to die I think it was perfectly justified one of the reasons why they should have spent more time is because he has to weigh the people who saved his life who took him in, who trained him, who raised him his family essentially over a creature that he just met I give why he did but I think they really needed to push just like why he weighed one better than the other well for me it was perfectly fine I found the indecision conveyed subtly but powerfully with just his body language and the call back to you know the little knob thing and then it was fully justified when we find out that he was basically the same and so I feel like it's just not potent enough I feel like all you needed to do was take longer with it and give them more and it would have been more potent I feel you couldn't criticise it as an objective fault this would be a subjective thing and for me it was fine yeah I don't think it's objective but I definitely think they could have done it better though I do think the alternative was better yeah I would have been happy to have maybe one or two of many scenes of just him and baby Yoda hanging out yeah exactly maybe like you should just prolong the amount of time I'm not saying it wouldn't improve it but I think the fact that baby Yoda legitimately saved his life was enough to be justified in what he did oh yeah I'm just saying a little more flash is all I'm after that's all and like I get like the stuff Chad's saying like I get that he sees the Foundling thing and Yoda's like I get it I really get it I don't have a problem with and as I see like Mando's protect the round is like sure but to the point like at what point do you say no this is going to ruin everything for everybody personally I'm not a fan of how they protected him despite him like majorly breaking rules like what he did hang on guys he didn't break Mandalorian rules in actual fact it seemed like he was obeying the Mandalorian creed because it's already established that Mandalorians protect younglings so surely that causes them problems a lot in the bounty hunting business it probably does then but how often would Boundlings come up for babies so I wouldn't say well I mean children right Foundlings are children so how often the Boundlings come up for children like probably in North the Star Wars context and I think you could even expand this to the expanded universe I think this is the first one ever portrayed in Star Wars maybe there is a rule that the aunties are not done on children I don't know because this is 50 years old so it's like it's a way to get around the rule that this isn't a child it's 50 years old but in actual fact it is because there is a species yeah my thing is that when does like will you go like is the life of Mando worth all of the stress and the trouble and the danger that comes along to everybody else to protect him it's actually to protect baby Yoda and honestly it makes me like the Mandalorian creator even more that they would risk the lives of their entire clan to save one child that's like that's awesome you guys are boss yeah they're really boss yeah my yeah if we were to reach a core issue it's just they were really crazy to have not have left as soon as possible and I don't believe they would have lost to an army of stormtroopers like even a hundred stormtroopers I feel like they would have annihilated them yeah yeah I agree completely the true criticism that it happens after this is that they don't leave and then they get wiped out and they're so tough it's like what what how did that happen um what I'm gonna say next up is uh Mando is just doing a little detective work spying and um he manages to catch extract the necessary material and be done with it hurry I can't guarantee your safety basically he catches a line that's explicit about Yoda is gonna be killed soon like of all the things he could have heard which would be including and not limited to toilet sounds or people just breathing or just nothing do you remember uh Mola do you remember that episode of community where they're telling halloween stories and then Abed says you know like he turns on the radio I was thinking of that exactly he turns on the radio and they're listening to music for a while it's like well they're not gonna turn it on exactly where the important update is and then Abed and I skip the update it's like according to the update we just heard but not just just heard yeah I love community and you're absolutely right I love that and you're right like if I was say writing this I would have had to have had he was there standing for a while you don't need it it's an easy fix he's already interested in saving baby Yoda because they're gonna do something to him that's not good like he doesn't need this motive he doesn't need to hear them say we're going to kill baby Yoda it's just like no just go get him we all know you want to get him there's a lot of things I could have done to fix what is very clearly at super contrivance well I wouldn't say it's obviously contrivance I would class something as super contrivance if it was crucial to the plot to progress forward and this isn't this is just a thing I guess it confirms something he already did so yeah that's I mean just the going by odds it is like super lucky yeah it's just unlikely that's all what else we got let's see what do we got I mean there was the classic storm troopers missing and like even for me the storm trooper was so close that they still missed and then of course it hits the armor as well but then he does act tough and take him out other ones in like cool tough ways and so there's times in this fight I thought the fights were really tizmy there are times where storm troopers clearly should have shot him but they didn't and also he opens a door and instantly gets shot luckily right in the shoulder it's clearly so we don't feel bad when he kills all of them you dummy I don't think we would have really cared either way what have we felt sorry for storm troopers I didn't need any extra motivation to be like ah not too bad storm troopers die but I do think that and I don't count this against the show because I can't count against the show because it wasn't something that wasn't in there I thought could be better moving on but I would have been really really curious and I kind of wished and I was hoping and I think it would have been better if they spent time and gave us something about storm troopers that makes me go why are they still storm troopers right like the empire has collapsed the empire is very very weak they are that these guys clearly are not well supplied their armor isn't maintained and yet still here they are why are they here why do they still wear the armor why didn't they chuck the armor away and go live a normal life how come they're still going through this is it because they need money is it because they have an ideological reason for it I think it could have been interesting to explore the mind of what happens to storm troopers after the collapse of the empire and what they choose to do I agree actually I find it interesting that storm troopers are still so loyal after the fall you know brainwashing or something yeah yeah exactly so he's like annihilating everybody in this place and I found it really weird that he walks into a room as empty a door opens and he sees two troopers approaching him and he chooses not to shoot them and like this goes on for a little bit and then people turn up behind him and he's like okay guys you know I give up and then he's gonna use his new gadget that he got earlier but it just it just struck me as odd as like why wouldn't he just shoot them why didn't he just shoot them as soon as that door opens there's a lot of those in this episode we see it in later episodes and we highlight it where if you would have just shot the person here it would have been done this happens a lot in later episodes where they just don't shoot he's got the drop on him too and I just don't get it it's a little 10 second but we know why it's there they just wanted to like not excuse it but it's to show the whistling birds look he used a cool thing yeah I was referring to an early part but yeah in those two he's like yeah yeah when enemies pop up on your screen shoot them what else we got so up to now I'm not seeing massive like episode breaking floors there are floors but they're small and they don't ruin the enjoyment for it overall I find I mean I wouldn't call what we've highlighted small but the thing is the things that we've got to highlight to come are so enormous that I wouldn't really care to call these I wouldn't care if you called these small or not okay I again I gotta address the chat so is it rags complaining that the troopers are slower to shoot than Mando is silly that is not what I said that is not what you said the early times when storm troopers have him right in front of them and Mando's not even facing them and they just don't take the shot I am not complaining that troopers are slower than Mando you extrapolating what I said to that is that's a problem on you I do not expect storm troopers to be able to one on one beat Mando this is ridiculous this is the stuff we need to avoid carry on though I guess it's kind of like it's interesting I feel a level of empathy for Carl Weathers being like I got you this job you completed it you got loads of money I did too now you're like fucking it all up for everybody and then he like has you know from Carl Weathers point of view it's like wow and your team of Mandalorians kill like all of my bounty guild I mean think about it from the perspective that Mando completed the bounty got paid and made his fucking armor and then he's like lol nah I'm gonna go again wait wait wait wait wait wait wait this isn't a criticism against the plot of the episode it's a criticism against Mando I agree he's fully justified in being ticked off but it doesn't mean that Mando doesn't mean that he doesn't mind it that actually can be turned into a criticism by the time you hit episode 8 where Mando is like Carl Weathers did you kill the Mandalorians he's like really pissed at him and it's like mother fucker maybe he did what if he did you killed all of his men after you betrayed him like I just really frustrated me you got paid you accepted the payment and then you betrayed him so yeah what if he did it's such a weird like moral grandstand it's like you did that to me it honestly reminds me of Batwoman that part there is a distinction in that the the bounty hunters are not on the same moral level as the Mandalorians because they're willing to you know, kidnap children off to be executed by whoever's paying them and so I mean even the fact that Mandalorian betrays the bounty hunter guilds isn't a bad thing is a bounty hunter couple for the bad things that they do on behalf of their clients well they should be if you're willing to do evil for just getting paid well you're not doing it you're just doing what they want you're facilitating it okay, yeah sure I mean I'm not sure that I disagree it's just an interesting little bounty hunters aren't morally good people unless they have like a stance that they won't do you know like kidnap babies to be executed there's one bounty hunting is a neutral profession that can go either way based on I would agree then perhaps it's based on but anyone who is then willing to try a baby Yoda bounty and carry it through is by definition evil because yes I would say that that is definitely a moral flaw one thing I will say though I guess if we're talking about it even though you could say that Mando is not like directly in the most personal way responsible for the deaths of the Mandalorians I would expect him to have like it on his conscience in some way I agree I think that like that should be a good point of conflict that he might blame himself somewhat he didn't know it would happen and you know the Mandalorians should have left a lot before but I agree I get it would be interesting for as we go on whenever he looks at baby Yoda he sees the faces of all the Mandalorians who died because of stuff that he did and the results of things I wonder what they like the thing is it can easily be justified that the Mandalorians could have a creed that you do not mourn those that die in fulfilling the creed and so it could be something there are a lot of ways to spin it I feel like they won't though that's the problem I feel like they're not going to do this someone said what they didn't shoot him the stormtroopers didn't shoot him on spot when they surrounded him because he saw baby Yoda in his arms I'm not referring to that I'm referring to something that happened where a stormtrooper comes right behind him and just doesn't German man at this point doesn't even really give a shit at this point if he gets killed remember German man doesn't care about baby Yoda being alive anymore yeah true but do the stormtroopers know that like they're probably not privy to all the progressive things and all they knew is that this is a valuable thing that this bounty hunter was told to get and now he's trying to steal it and even if they knew that much I don't know and he does sell like he tells them what I'm holding is valuable that might have been enough yeah at that point I definitely believe why they wouldn't shoot him the ones in the back maybe not so much but still I totally get it it's not a problem I don't have any problem with that scene I'm referring to earlier on before he gets before he gets baby Yoda I just checked the script so after he says I order you to extract the necessary material and be done with it he follows up with saying he has explicitly ordered us to bring it back alive is that Morph Gideon they're referring to the guy who fires at them with a tie fighter when they're holding baby Yoda because man episode 8 oh look they've got baby Yoda that I need and I'm just gonna pew pew shoot him with this oh but also the bounty hunter who was trying to kill Mando in episode 5 would have blown up the ship not to mention the IG unit as well apparently he was supposed to kill baby Yoda but Morph Gideon wants it alive oh no it's falling apart again I lost track of the conversation sorry I gotta use the loo anyway so I'll be right back oh well so the when a Herzog says extract what you need to be done with it he it says he wants the specimen alive or something like that referring to the higher up the guy in the tie fighter we assume Gideon yeah he seems to answer to Gideon which is interesting because the IG unit was told to kill it definitively and obviously the bounty hunter in episode 5 would obviously if it destroyed Mando's ship baby Yoda's gonna be floating around maybe it could do the layer thing yeah and even when a Herzog said that you could do it dead or alive so I'm just confused that means we're on to episode 4 now right? I think so it's very interesting what Morph wants at the end because he still wants Yoda but then they've extracted what they needed to have they or what like maybe they have extracted what they needed but it's useful to have more so having the original source oh the only other thing was it's surprising how many of them have the jet pack and yet all of them aren't allowed to leave that place more than one at a time and he doesn't have a jet pack and he's the one who's bounty hunting you know what I mean I get that apparently you have to earn it I guess does she mention that I don't really know yeah there's nothing like it is strange for me there's only one out at a time because kind of be useful to have more you guys are tough are they staying there to protect it but that didn't seem to work out for him did it so I don't know it's unexplained alright and yeah I'm happy to move on to episode 4 here we go here's the good stuff here we go we should wait for Rax for this one oh yeah he will want to be here I'm sure I think you know this has been an adventure just putting it out there already 5 hours I don't oh gosh I'm not sure I'm going to be able to stay for the whole episodes but who else are you going to have to try and defend this I suppose we will have to be very calm and just state our criticisms and then people may make of them what they will as opposed to saying they are definitive flaws drinker he he didn't mind it he said it was flawed but overall he enjoyed it enough so I don't know maybe you'll still be too late if you can get him on board well yeah the other problem is that we do actually need to round it off eventually to make sure we can get I know and I'm not going to be able to come back for a while to finish it off that is alright we will have you back the moment we can so well we can still talk about some things like I mean the fight of the end where he jumps behind the ship and suddenly the ship that can block all blaster bolts and it's just made out of trashy well I assume it must be made out of juris steel juris steel is the common type of steel everything is made out of because my goodness that stuff is in full protection for a good while and as to how much cover he has I think he has a decent amount it was good that he was jumping into cover so that's alright and then when he disintegrates a few of them that certainly would scare off and not like as like and I wonder how exceptional his pulse rifle is because people are surprised by it yet they're also familiar with it because the girl lady in episode four she's like give me the pulse rifle so she's familiar with that kind of thing yet we've never seen anything like that in styles before have we because that's a full one disintegration gun yeah I assume they they drew that out of beta saying to Boba no disintegrations does he I missed that yeah he's because he said he wants the the bounties alive so I just assume that that's where they were like hey that means bounty hunters or Mandalorians have disintegration capabilities cool you know now that I think of it while rags away I should go to the toilet as well or do you have to wait until it comes back so no no you go for it go for it so you're pretty good I'll be back in a sec we're on the cusp of episode four finally yeah I know it's exciting because this is when it just deteriorates completely you know poopy in his pantyhole I guess for the reference for how it was when we were watching the show by episode four I was still on the show side even though episode three was I got very frustrated before I felt insulted I was like this is ridiculous yeah four was um yeah and I wasn't the only one I think most people seem to agree that four was really bad like four I've seen people saying four and five are the weakest ones and then six is really good the bill bear one which will be interesting if we can talk about it I don't really like six either no I don't either I mean four and five are the low point I would say yeah um then I guess it picks back up a bit in episode seven but then it kind of falls back down again I don't even want to watch the shows the way that Bullard rags do other bays they like anything um I guess you knew to the channel yeah we do so we like stuff that makes sense a lot of the time I like plenty of stuff that doesn't make sense uh the way we try and figure this stuff out is that sometimes whether I like a thing or not I have to acknowledge that there is a flaw within it and vice versa I might hate something a lot but I have to recognize that it's particularly well made and that's what these discussions are for to try and explore whether or not something was well made or not um yeah for example I'm pretty sure all four of us here think that Lord of the Rings is incredible and uh the writing is staggeringly strong um yep but there's a lot of stuff well I mean a good example of that it's good but I don't this isn't for me because I love this movie but the common example of this is good but I don't like it is Blade Runner yeah Blade Runner Citizen Kane whether or not you find it boring people said about 2001 people said about uh yeah people said about a lot of really good movies but they are good whether or not you like them right and then conversely Venom I like Venom but it's bad it's really bad are we still on episode three we're about to go to episode four we're on episode four we're waiting for you but uh Shanda decided to go to the toilet as well so and then we were explaining to chat that uh no we don't in fact hate everything yeah oh yeah it's just that this problem this like these were the best episodes and they have a bunch of little problems and all of these little problems adds up some of these I wouldn't call little problems like for instance him not using thermal vision directly results into him almost getting killed and he has to be saved by baby Yoda like that's not a little thing like those are the things that stack up and stack up and it only gets worse from here would you say it ruins the episode though that the episode is still enjoyable that kind of stuff it certainly adds to the pile for me that's the kind of stuff that ruins it for me like or adds to ruining it for me I can't unsee it like it's not stuff that I can't see um but like subjective I just can't not see that stuff I get that I mean the thing is I definitely see why people like this which is why people who do like it like I don't have a hatred for Mandalorian as a show I just think it's bad I don't like I have a hatred for the last Jedi you know I find it interesting yeah is that I think there are things that I have criticized and say Rise of Skyrock and Jedi and some of them were on like you could say are as small as some of the things I'm defending in this one and the differences I think is that there was enough good in Mandalorian to help me just and I admit like the the thermal thing that's a legitimate problem and I don't think there is a real valid like defense for it except for making up something that he didn't have it beforehand which is valid because there's nothing saying it and so that that's completely valid but I can ignore or I am willing to ignore it I think that's the difference I acknowledge it but I'm willing to ignore it because there's enough good for me to enjoy when there's no good for me to enjoy or barely anything I'm not going to ignore anything because it doesn't deserve it it's like no yeah yeah there's there's plenty of bad stuff that we see um that we like um but like subjective stuff is that's the thing about subjectivity that's why we treat it differently from objectivity like it's not consistent you know it's it's a weird kind of thing I just can't not see stuff like I do yeah my contention is that there is a decent amount of objectively good things in the Mandalorian to make it good overall generally not in every episode don't get me wrong but I especially with the episodes we've covered so far to me I think those are mostly good episodes there's problems but I don't know I would say a lot of your defenses were a lot of inferences um lots of extrapolations yeah I agree some were more base like there were some that were actually based on what is implied in the story and some were completely more kind of leaps actually admit that but the ones that are based on things you can actually point towards have more validity do you want to get to episode 4 now yeah episode 4 so where to begin I suppose at the beginning let's do this so I guess should just establish the raiders at the beginning they seem to be interested in stealing food and then leaving they destroy a droid for some reason but other than that they don't destroy much the implication being that they're doing that sort of raiding like pillaging where they're like we will attack this farming you know outset place every once in a while take their food and it'll just be a common source for us the goal right yeah it seems to be what it is it's definitely a recurring thing okay there's some stuff there's some contradiction later on based on that it's just good to keep it in mind it may not come up again I'm just making sure of my own sort of framing of this whole thing food production is never fully explained in the Star Wars universe it does seem that they rely on farming, moisture farming whatever that really means and old school yeah and so they don't have like replicators or advanced industrial scale farming but it's interesting about that and it's nearby they are aware of a settlement that is essentially like a small town it's like a step up from theirs that I assume that they do trade with on occasion because these people do have access to droids and garages and basic stuff like that so first things first I guess then because we've talked about fobs and stuff so I don't want to repeat any of that the way Mando happens to fly to this place is a way that he's spotted by the village people and they assume just from him arriving that he'll be somebody that they can sort of get to help them even though when they talk to him they say that his armor is what gave him away as being someone that can help him I found that very strange it is odd I mean it would have made sense that they could infer that's a gunship that has big guns on it so that might be someone who could help us out could be someone who could help us but you know it's something to go off oh yeah that's right like he's really weird with Baby Yoda in this episode first of all he's like stay on the ship on your own okay he'll all buy and then Baby Yoda's clearly gonna keep up with him and it's like okay he just lets him walk along with him and they do the movie magic thing where Baby Yoda just keeps managing to not only keep ahead of keep up with Mandalorian but somehow get ahead of him when he walks at like incredibly low speeds and then they'll show like Mando's clearly get away further ahead of him and you might be like why are you bringing this up and it's like well because Baby Yoda's clearly like vulnerable and Mando doesn't seem to give a shit at this point where Baby Yoda could have been eaten by that cat monster it's just like Mando shows a very very inconsistent care for this thing in the most basic and common sense kind of ways that go past oh you're not a parent you wouldn't understand this goes into just common sense I actually agree with this I'm just doing the whole devil's advocate thing if there's any defense alright could it be that Mandalorians have a very basically tough love mentality if you're not going to be tough enough to fight off a cat you're not going to be tough enough to live by the way so they have a very much you have to handle things even when you're little starting out from the outset could that be the answer I don't think that they would have to really specify that because he doesn't seem to do anything in the show that would have him especially at this point think that this child needs to defend itself and be tough and be strong I agree and he's not raising it as a as a foundling yet it could be an instinctual thing it could be an instinctual thing even though it's not a foundling this is just how he feels kids are raised and you've got to handle yourself a bit even at that age then why would he keep putting him back on the ship then why would he keep putting him back in this thing whenever he gets out well I mean he knows that it looks like he can get off the ship whenever he wants but from this episode he does think the ship would hold him in but his following so fine come along with me anyway he could have just locked him in like the somewhere but he just says come with him I know that would be interesting to find out why he like we're not giving anything as to why it just seems to me that he's incompetent that seems to me I think that's an uncharitable way of looking at it well I mean why because think about it Baby Yoda's point Baby Yoda's following him is like we're laying low you want to come sure come along in episode 5 he just leaves him at like he leaves him at the spaceport hang on there are points when it is like you should have been looking after him more there are some of the same things he knows and this instance right here I don't think it's incompetent it's just like you want to come along sure yeah but then afterwards he tells some woman like look after him and it's like you don't know about you don't know who she is also I want to I don't know that it's wise to devil's advocate every single thing that exists like I mean pick the bowels I suppose because if I said like 2 plus 2 is 4 then you go well what if numbers aren't real I should be like okay come on guys when you say something that's indefensible I agree with you and I've done that multiple times already I'm just saying I do want to challenge things when I think there is a valid enough defense that's worth putting towards it I know sometimes I haven't where I've gone too far the tough love defense seems shaky at best and it's not mentioned at all yeah I agree um it is weird to see how new planet he was walking through the forest he doesn't carry baby Yoda with him he's like just walk and it's weird to leave him so open when he's checking this planet to see if it's suitable to be here so for all he knows anyone could be here right now that's dangerous in fact he ends up getting into a fist fight very soon okay and I agree with you there that I think it's it's fine to have Yoda come along but the fact that he is not protecting or cautious of him very much at all and I'd say yeah you're right the tough love thing doesn't really explain especially with Yoda's value kind of thing and he doesn't know that there might be others on the planet it's one thing for him to check the town out and then bring him in later but just right off the bat display him so openly and irresponsibly very like oh I thought this thing was you like you gave up a lot for this kid like you should take care of him um uh Navarro Dune we know that she's in hiding and later on she has to cover up her uh her arm on Navarro to avoid people detecting that she's used X Rebel or whatever I'm just like why wouldn't she always have that covered if she's in hiding she covers it up what they have to do with I don't know cause she said that she's on the run she's got life sentences to deal with if the Republic ever found her yeah she said she's done things that would put her in a life sentence we learn this I think at the end of this episode no we learn this uh is at the end of no it's it's when he comes back for her the second time yeah that's when we learn about it but this is still knowledge that the characters have it seems weird to shoot because it's you know it's very advertised that's I guess that's what I'm going with mm-hmm it's funny that the waitress offers to give Mando broth and alcohol I assume it's like a flag into something and I just like does he have a bendy straw or like how does he and ironically maybe there's a small thing that will like you can pull down from underneath the visor that he could just I mean I would if I was a Mandalorian I legitimately you what like it's silly sure I would want a straw that I could just stick up my helmet you know I think they just wouldn't show us that cause it would just it would be hard to take it just offer him a drink when he clearly said but it's odd but also he gives her he gives her money and she doesn't tell him anything and detrusted and look after baby Yoda's like damn dude that's insane careful there and she literally doesn't like yeah just walks off and and you think that if he did that like he would be really cross with her he'd go back in and say give me my money back or something but he's not he just like oh well I guess I just wasted my money for nothing with this person and they put the baby in jeopardy and oh well I guess yeah and I know that Fringy can attest to this because he literally did it while watching the episode if I remember correctly but when Mando's chasing her footprints he takes a really long time to assume the first thing would have happened which is she's above you he's like hmm where could she have gone like it's like she disappeared into thin air it's like dude just look up like also he doesn't use his wall of vision to also yeah when I'm not sure if you just said it I think I might have zoned out but like when they point guns in each other's heads it's like you you know you can just shoot her and she can't kill you right you've got this big Beskar steel helmet just blow her brains out she can't kill you well there's a lot of issues with this fight this is the thing we might just machine gun this episode because there's so much wrong with it so to clarify first she punches a wooden panel when he dodges a punch and she's like I've got the screenshot right now yet she punches his helmet four times in this fight and she's fine yeah Beskar steel that thing to the point where he gets like punted straight into the ground and it's just not gonna bother because a lot of people were like she's wearing special gold let's like nah hitting wood hurts her but hidden stuff is stronger than doer of steel doesn't okay it's funny all they needed to do was not show her getting hurt by hitting the wood because I can get how punching a wall that solid would hurt but like come on you're still punching like I know that armor will you have a little give on someone's face it looks like they're just panels yeah it's like someone said that Mando didn't want to kill her why not she's a bouncy hunt to try to get baby yodo I just think it's funny that she's aiming her gun at his fucking Beskar steel yeah it's like they both pull it's like it's one of those things where they both pull guns they're pointing at each other for some reason Mando isn't like oh she can't hurt me because she's aiming at my Beskar and he just kills her right there and they have that pause so that then they could go then they could hear baby yoda next to him something that rags pointed out when we were watching this so there's several points where he's grappling her which would be a fantastic time to activate the flamethrower instead he chooses to activate it when he has like no way of aiming it at her and telegraphs it usually so she can just stop it immediately yeah like this whole fight is relatively frustrating and I know a lot of people really enjoyed it I just I don't get so many things that happen in it it's just like someone's saying weren't you in someone say Fringy weren't you in rags literally a sniper lady should have shot Mando in the head to kill him but her doing it wouldn't she has a blaster that we know just bounces right off of him yeah whereas she had I'm pretty sure you advocated or his head would possibly kill him because of the amount of damage it does to the chest plate yes and also she's a lot closer now so it's a much more powerful rifle yeah like we kept saying it was aimed for the neck because there's no armor there at all yeah you did you did clarify neck as well so you can't get us on this one give it up you're not gonna get us on this one this is not a good one at least you're paying attention sort of um so it's I guess I shouldn't do it very even just gonna do it for fun what if he's attracted to her and wants to flirt oh yeah she's definitely hot what if she's not even real what if you snuck rags you don't know his type okay I guess I don't I imagine he would be attracted to the strong type okay I'll take I'll walk that a little bit back she's not ugly she's fine she looks fine I think she's beautiful rags you're a racist the rebel scum um so something I appreciated just to point out even if it's a small thing I like that they decided to cast a you know a woman who's got a bit of muscle on her to reflect the characters but yes that helps that yeah like a bad day beating everybody every strong man up it's like it's believable from a yeah it's believable from a strength perspective but I still think especially in this fight I think Mando should have whooped her ass I would like to he's got the how strong like it's implied that she's physically stronger than Mandalorian I don't know why I would assume because they arm wrestle later and she doesn't beat him she one punches him to the ground yeah but they arm wrestle and she can't beat him maybe he could punch her to the ground you don't know maybe um I was just gonna say though so when the Rhino is about to charge Mando baby Yoda saves him when he's having the arm wrestle with her baby Yoda quote unquote saves him when they're having this fight and she even pulls a gun on him baby Yoda just doesn't seem to fucking care oh I'm not saying the actress is a cut I'm saying the character like just like with Rose Tico right the actress is actually really good looking but what they do with her in Star Wars is like how did you do this how did you manage this what black magic wizardry is this how do they get that bad yeah the reason I brought this up is because I actually quite like that baby Yoda was always going to assume any harm coming to Mandalorian is a bad thing but then in this scene baby it was just like this is fine just like okay because baby Yoda chokes her while they're arm wrestling I know yeah that was anything like man odd it's inconsistent yet it was a funny scene as well I chuckle that and just slip and it was amusing it's it's a it's a fun scene in that sense I like baby Yoda better a lot I like baby Yoda I really do yeah I guess just moving moving quickly the planet isn't big enough for the both of them apparently the strange they have completely different reasons to be hiding I haven't listed here let's see she says that one of them has to move on Mando doesn't even ask why he just says he can't stay here anymore even though he explicitly stated that they would be safe here in lay low he just completely acquiesces to her demand instantly just like that she says the planet is taken he doesn't haggle there's no pushback he just totally cucks out also it's a planet I think it's framing in a more critical way but I ultimately agree with you it's like yeah it's not explained why or it doesn't make sense that he now needs to some chick is like there's not enough room on this planet for the both of us it's like what are you talking about then we're jumping into the he doesn't get startled by the two guys who seem to care which we covered that we'll just move on it's very strange this scene the way it sort of runs and this happens again in episode 5 that we'll go over just Mando being convinced of something that he's clearly against of like so in this one he's like no I'm not gonna help you and then he's like wait you guys came from a village so you have lodging right and then they're like yeah and then I'm just like well wait but you already have lodging on the ship and you were planning on leaving to find a better place why would that convince you to go with them I guess yeah why is living in a shack a deal breaker or I guess the opposite of a deal maker I suppose very strange especially because at least on the ship he's like well if we need to leave we could just leave any time we're right here on the spaceship we could relocate whenever we want pack this up really securely him doing random repairs to his ship is very lucky because if he had just left they wouldn't have been able to get him in time because he was in the daytime and he said they have to leave and then it's night time and he's just doing stuff and things and it's like oh man because obviously they established it takes a day to get to Mando's ship from where they are so obviously they couldn't have them turn up a daytime for that to be true so they had to delay Mando just fiddle with the ship it was like okay it's not that big of a deal it's just obviously allowing things to happen and I just don't believe that you would have gone with these people under the promise of some way to sleep you could sleep in your ship you don't really care about it there was one other thing doesn't justify it more a little bit but not fully there was in the middle of nowhere specifically but the ship can go to the middle of nowhere whenever it chooses it that's true but if lodging implies food and resources to live off for an extended period of time he was there for several weeks and so even if he can take his ship to the middle of nowhere he would need some type of food resource or whatever to help him keep going I know but if you're wanting to lie low you would want to fly around as little as possible doesn't he have access to that bar or whatever it is restaurant is right next to him anyway but that's not in the middle of nowhere that's where people will obviously go to when they come to this planet regularly but the village is close enough and people are aware of it and I thought he said that the planet like he has to leave the planet yeah I know I'm not saying it fixes it I'm just saying there are some things that make it a little bit less bad how do you find Cara so quickly had a tab on there or something he used a fob let's not open that counter where and I don't think he did it normally I'm being an idiot yeah he just found it because plot just catch up with minutes luckily we've covered some of these things ahead of time let's see he will pull okay we're not there yet I think we said the next thing I have is he is not at all startled when he is approached at night in the woods out of shit by two men who do not announce themselves yeah he'll pull a gun on arms safely yeah that's his concern levels and reactions are extremely inconsistent and illogical let's see one thing I notice is he says the payment isn't enough before he knows how much the payment is a little strange let's see we did the lodging thing he goes to her to tell Mando to help Mando goes to Cara finds her to tell her to help him so alright I guess he thinks that he does that I mean it's lucky that she's willing to work with him she seems very against him she said he had to move on to a new planet but she's like oh yeah I'll do this job with you I'll go to the village with you she's got the hots for him okay alright alright that explains everything done so now they have entered the village at this point in my notes he's introduced to his quarters he spins and nearly pulls his gun on a child in a village that just goes with the inconsistent alertness from earlier he lets baby Yoda go out and play without a supervision and he acquiesces when the village woman just says they'll be fine about the tough love thing he's very against the idea of baby Yoda being out of the same room as him until the woman says it'll be fine and he's like oh okay it's a very strange moment because I think it would have actually been better to just not have him freak out at all considering the other stuff we've seen but at this point it's just like wait so you do want to have baby Yoda right next to you at all times and it's like well no no really because she just says no it'll be fine and he's like oh okay like I don't his attitude towards baby Yoda is very confusing well in this case why doesn't he just say sure but he has to play in front or where I can see him out of all the locations he's been in this is probably one of the safest ones if I just jump in I'm saying it's fine that he just likes baby Yoda golf like I said I would have found it much more smooth if he had just said play in my line of sight that's all I've been like yeah okay yeah minor but there's a lot of what I would call death by a thousand cuts for episode four for sure and then and then comes the taking the mask off in front of like three meters away from several people and if he is seen by any of them he cannot put that mask on all right all right so no response the window is looking is he even looking through a window what if the window the top cell cut off at his neck and so his head was still blocked behind like the top cell of the window oh I think I know what you mean but no like I can now here's a picture of the window yeah I can one picture also what if somebody just walked in as has just happened moments ago that he freaked out about there's not a door there's no door here foiled again and I'd heard a lot of people didn't like this like this isn't not well known from what I understand yeah I'm very weird that he would take his helmet off easily being seen cause he makes such a big deal about it in the episode and even later after this big deal about it but I'm like man we know you're not consistent about this one-way mirror yeah this is uh this don't work man frustrating to say the least then well I was just gonna say to kick on we got um for some reason the villagers didn't tell them about the thing that was shooting at them and you might be like well they wanted them to come and it's like yeah but that's like the whole thing they need them for so it's just weird they highlight to the villagers it's like you didn't tell us about the enormous monster beast ATS to you cause they were like what even is that they were like the thing you didn't tell us about I just thought it was weird it was like cause that's the whole reason they're there right um they have this line right so the idea is uh when understanding this difficulty the first thing you might think of is like relocate the village right and then they're like no we can't because it took generations to seed this ground um I'm not an expert in farming or fishing but I don't know that's how that works they seem to just have pits for like alien shrimp it's alien fish in order to have alien fishing you need to seed ground for generations yep I'm glad you understand you know what the line is for it's designed to say no they have to win this ground because this ground has to be won you're like okay fine if you say so we would rather all get blowed up and killed than our children destroyed than have to move like okay I guess one is more important than the other unfortunately Mando says there is nothing on this planet that can damage the legs on the ATST that is I guess the ship can't blatantly not true yeah uh blatantly like what about two logs tied to trees that would swing in on either side for some reason I suspect that works I don't know why yeah well you must yeah but to rig a trap like that you must be big and strong and ugh be small and furry I ought to furry have to that's just disingenuous freeing the amount of time it took to train the village to be able to defend them while they try and shoot the ATST is the time they could have just gotten his ship I don't know why they didn't I mean I'm just going to go in further and say the idea that they try and train these is insane like they were that's why they did it like a practice is okay but why the sticks they literally have shot I still think giving them just guns randomly is stupid I think they're going to be more likely to kill themselves especially with how hazardly he hands them out but they literally have Kara training them with pointed sticks one of them even is holding the pointed stick with a pointy and facing backwards like you're sending these people to their deaths uh yeah it's all very very bizarre the plan is to bottleneck the enemies into coming from one direction Kara and Mando will take out the ATST while the rest of them need to keep the raiders away from those two and they're going to do that with guns and sticks and it's staggering to behold they make barriers and stuff well the barriers are to bottleneck them but also they won't actually like have you seen pictures of the barriers actually because they don't actually do that yeah they have nothing like they're so pathetic and widely spaced apart and they cover so little of the village that knows like the idea that they think this will work is laughable it is this plan this whole train the villagers make the barrier those barriers are pathetic they're basically fences with large holes in between they don't account for the they account for the idea they're going to have to try and trick the ATST into falling over and killing itself but they don't account for what's going to happen up till that point like what about all the times the ATST is going to shoot at us up to that point they don't account for that and lucky for them they don't really need to because it doesn't shoot at them it shoots at the houses in the background I think two or three times it just doesn't yeah and there's no guarantee it would even walk as close as it did it could have just hung back at the tree while there's no reason for it to come close in fact when Kara is shooting at it it decides to try and get closer to her to shoot her which is precisely the opposite of what it needs to do we're skipping way ahead we've been doing that all stream we jumped forward and back I was about to say that in the first and the opening the ATST doesn't even go to the village it doesn't even appear when it assaults the village okay there was shots from it are you saying it from the tree line huh you're saying there was shots from it from the tree line in the opening yeah it's shot from the tree line it didn't even come into view yeah and they weren't even like oh the big thing yeah it doesn't even come out like last time it didn't I have been made aware of a defense Chad I was going to ask you what you think about this the ATST shot the houses in the hopes to kill innocent hiding people in order to demoralize the attacking defending team uh no I wouldn't say that's a good defense because if there are people well actually it depends I guess it depends how I guess how much of a threat it considers all the people anything and honestly by not shooting at the people who can shoot back you might feel safe in your ATST but all your other buddies are getting shot and so by not shooting at the people shooting back at you you're just giving more time personally I feel like you should prioritize your targets I think it'll demoralize someone more to kill their allies in war than killing their families and you know what demoralizes somebody if you kill them for real then they're properly demoralized because they can't demoralize anyone they can't experience moralizing but yeah this the I this is I don't think we would get any resistance from especially you Shad on this plan because it's just so this is probably one of the it's tactically inept like this is insane there's a lot of dumbiness this comes back to the idea that this is Mando's plan and hers like these are both veterans of either wars or trained in tactics and all this stuff they forget also like just to reply to someone in chat they're saying complaining about the distance of the ATST that's this is a valid one okay it actually is like when you have a tank you don't want to put the tank in any level of vulnerability you want it to hold back and to blast the target to hell from a safe position where was this guy when we were talking about episode 3 of game of thrones those trapezees are you really complaining about the trapezees come on yeah this is what this is being consistent right because the placement of the ATST you're like oh you're just nick picking about where it stands it's like no no this is integral to the survival of our protagonists in the village like this is a huge deal it is it is I think a good distinction between something that's lesser to something that's like either a super contrivance thing is if the entire plot is hinging on this thing happening and that's very much it is the whole the ATST is destroyed by being used in such a dumb way and moving forward when it could have hung back and just play no more to hell and I mean the fact that when Mando and is Akara doing or whatever when they're sneaking in that they don't go for the ATST first thing to either boil it up or to steal it or any number of things is like yeah there are problems a lot of problems in this episode so I will say there are some things I was able to enjoy I mean I enjoyed the production value still I enjoyed baby Yoda and out of like even though the ATST was used in a very poor way I did find a silver lining that I was able to enjoy I enjoyed the fact that they showed it being so menacing and threatening because usually they were just throwaway pieces of junk and I just found it refreshing that oh good at least they're showing it as a true threat and danger and it's not just some comical oh no logs awful I mean like well I don't know because they act like it is but then one shot disables it well no it's hard to get that shot off though she has to get rid of it no that doesn't make any sense though what do you mean like this is a rifle that has a scope it can kill things at long distance this thing is standing still with too bright Legend of Zelda weak points right on the front of it and he just doesn't shoot it from where he is yeah good point good point he could have ever aimed for that earlier and I think that any defense to say the angle was better getting close up is undermined by the fact that being so close and you fire through one of those eyes you're just gonna hit the canopy top of it yeah and also you could it's not covered because we could see the red lights from the inside like with those openings the thing that Mando did to throw the bomb through the isolate to blow up the people on the inside he could have just been hanging up on one of the trees and as soon as what yes there was nobody on the inside oh what it was auto well there's still discussion on this yeah that's the thing so either or that's the thing we have plenty of references for ATSTs with people in them there are no people in this ATST it's just red lights on the inside I always assumed there was you just didn't see him looking through those isolate no that's no no there's no one there we don't see anyone there but the natural assumption is that someone would be because these things are we can see in there and those are where people sit in ATSTs people are arguing to this day whether or not it's an AI ATST or driven by like a really short person at my point I don't think it matters because those eyes are openings that you can throw bombs through to take out the entire cockpit and if the Mandalorian was just on the tree waiting for it to granted you wouldn't know where it would walk underneath but if you could climb up on top and throw a bomb through the window why not attach them to his leg honestly yeah well honestly this is solving a problem that shouldn't exist because and this isn't even going into how does one shot up into the top of it disable the whole thing it doesn't make any sense but also this is why is the why didn't they because we haven't even gotten into the whole what was their plan in the radar encampment why didn't they just find the ATST and put a sticky bomb on it and blow it up hey that's what I said before yeah like this is all because all the grunts like those they're nothing because we don't have to worry about them the thing is the ATST so why they start blowing stuff up and causing a commotion in the camp instead of alright we need to find where the ATST is let's just follow the tracks because I have like literal thermal imaging that can find tracks that could off that wow that could come in handy so I could track down this ATST and blow it up but they don't if anything the ATST surprises them and then decides not to blow them away and then they run for it and it misses all of its shots and oh yeah misses them like seven times frustrating and everyone's like red lights better for people at night is like I I understand but there's nobody inside we can see inside and there's nobody in I don't know about the nobody inside thing if there was a very short man inside it maybe but like it's just weird the whole things portrayed as if it is an AI I don't really understand um yeah there was like and they could have made it work like if um the ATST was used to patrol their camp all the time so you couldn't sneak into it to blow it up when it's not active that it's always used in defense so they have to deal with it and yeah but they executed this was very poor and someone brings up a good point why the red lights if it's controlled by an AI that's the thing that's why it doesn't make sense because again like we can look it's to make it look menacing yeah that's right but we can see inside of it where people sit in an ATST and there's nobody there hang on could you do that in um last return of the Jedi I don't remember seeing people through the window only when they looked up like I thought you would naturally looking through a view screen or something when you're piloting those things and we're only the backup you open up those hatches so you can look through manually that's what the hatches are for for people to look through manually for the two people sitting inside to look yeah but therefore that would mean it's not necessary to look through them to pilot it there's nowhere else for them to be that's where they sit that's where you sit you can see but you don't need to have the better picture of it if you're sitting your head wouldn't be in line with the window but you stand up and then you'll throw it well no no that's that's what the windows are for to for people sitting down to look in and see this isn't yeah you can look at through the return of the Jedi and then you could also look at all of the models and all of the supplementary materials of where it is and there this is how it works which is why it's so confusing that there's no one there and I will say it would have been better if there were people there so that when Kara Jade or whatever shoots into there to hit the guy he like slumps over or maybe he could have disintegrated him but maybe he slumps over if he gets hit and it hits a control and the control steers it over and it trips the thing or something like that well yeah I've looked up the cockpits and sitting down it's perfectly in line with those window openings and so the only way you wouldn't see someone is if they're actually sitting in between those window openings yeah which would be a little bit weird well there are screens in between that would give you your field of view and that's probably what you're supposed to look through normally and the hatches are supposed to be almost like backups yeah I mean like we have that in real life on tanks and stuff there are oompa loompas inside the ATS okay well I mean that would that would have made for an interesting episode oh my god this planet is loompa land oh my god the lore expands but we've jumped ahead of it just again all through lots of things there's a quote where they say cut down trees and build barricades that are strong enough that they can't be broken or he says they can't break it an ATST shot to any one of those three collected logs it's just gonna obliterate it yeah can I just say this isn't a side but ATSTs and ATATs I've always thought were retarded in Star Wars because they have hovering things and having things on legs is just stupid yeah I will say I'm wondering I will agree that they seem stupid I'm wondering if there is some limitation of hovering that we're not aware of that would make it a certain way I just don't know but it does seem like that is indeed kind of dumb because we have the imperial or the the droid federation tanks those hover but they also have the ones that have those weird wheels that spin at an angle so I'm like man that's weird it does seem that hovering would just be the best in almost every scenario exactly yeah I've never liked them Mando unloaded all of his gear but he decided not to bring his ship he took the time to get all of his gear out in the case of needing to arm the village I guess but instead of just being like I'll just bring my ship he'll be faster to get there you guys can come with me and I'll have all my stuff and my ship will be in the field of view so I'll know that nobody's stealing it or fucking with it it's just a weird thing to me someone saying weight is a problem hover tech can be jammed well I guess and dare I say it in the rise of skywalker they confirm that speeders can be jammed yeah maybe that's they can fly now maybe there's a reason I'm not sure but to get a height advantage that's actually a good point yeah so that's strange because they have spaceships where entire starships can fly through shields into the interior atmosphere of landing bays anyway this is getting off the topic it felt weird that he was risking his life baby Yoda's life all of his gear in his ship just everything from what I remember again this is season 3 Mandalorian man what an altruistic thing for you to do buddy you're gonna help him be free of this horrible menace when you've got really big issues for yourself to be taken care of but okay that's his character I think at least we're supposed to believe that I do think the show is trying to say that he has got a heart of goldenly goldenly gold he would help an old lady cross the road I think he's a nice man yeah so the size of the ATST I'm not convinced that the puddle would have been able to down it it's like enormous the thing is only so deep that Kara is like waist deep in water and I'm trying to get a shot of how big this ATST is yeah it's really really dumb that they think that's such a tiny distance for an all-terrain walker will get knocked over by that like that's insane for them to think that it will do that so what you'd expect to happen with the drop being I want to say like a third of its lower leg at most is that it would bend its other leg to compensate right and it would be okay yeah because that's how legs work I mean maybe I'm wrong maybe they're really poorly mechanized I don't know should we use the knee walk tactics like a heap of rolling logs that it can't balance on or something because this thing is big and also like one of the reasons that people trip a lot when all of a sudden they take a step they don't expect is because their biology gets surprised which doesn't apply to an ATST I guess so we can move to the original like the initial assaulting the area plan so you have two guys by a fire that seem to be like scoutish and Kara and Mando knock them both out at the same time cool with me then they spot seven dudes around a fire and so their plan from what we can tell is that they're going to walk into the nearby tent plant a bomb and then either just wait for them to walk in they seemingly wait for them to walk in fist fight them and once all of them have been alerted to all of this they're going to hope to just jump out of the tent while it blows up and kills all those guys that seems to be their plan now I'm trying to I'm really getting my noggin joggin as best as I can to try and come up what the hell they are thinking and doing yeah this is a huge tally mark for how retarded those two characters are for this whole plan I cannot believe this is what they went with I have several suggestions for better plans first of all being shoot the seven dudes around the fire you both can do that well before they'll be able to defend themselves but if you're really concerned about not being able to do it throw a bomb at them as soon as it goes off start shooting anybody who didn't manage to get blown up by it just put a low counter on it or whatever but their plan is ridiculous the whole like the obvious thing that they should be doing is we have to disable the ATST before it gets up and starts walking around and blowing things up so that needs to be our priority first and foremost and what do you know I have trackers that will find footprints and I can see in the dark and I have thermal vision and I have all of these gadgets and knickknacks and doodads that will allow me to do this and they just don't and all of this with the assumption that he doesn't just blow it up with his starship he could have just flown over and shot him all to death I mean the ATST could have fired back so the logic of like do you really risk his ship it's like he's risking his life so yeah might as well also that ship takes a beating from that other starship in the episode after this also there's no way that ATST can aim straight up yeah well it's not shown but I'm less concerned with that the idea that it's got a gotten Kara to bait it out and then they hide the ship a little bit further back he launches it and the ATST is there's lots of ways to do this a lot of this is indefensible very bad and a lot of stupid decisions overall now as to how much I feel it should reflect on the character is this a dumb or smart character it's going to be determined about how consistent things are in every other episode and also honestly season 2 as well I guess because for instance especially with TV shows I always expect there to be one or two episodes it's going to be pretty lousy because that's just the run of the mill I've never seen one whole series where there hasn't been horrible episodes with terrible writing and so then I'm general because of that I'm generally reluctant to take on board the actions of characters making episodes that are just bad because someone bad wrote them as to a reflection on the character as a whole and I guess my comparison would be like there obviously must be bad episodes in Buffy speckled around them there's a lot of them ones where the characters make really dumb decisions but I would assume that because everything else is so solid and especially if actions of characters are contradicting how these characters usually perform because overall with all the other previous episodes and I admit I haven't looked at the later ones but there's really one indefensible stupid thing has done and everything else was mostly defendable well this isn't one stupid thing but it's a bad episode this is a long series of terrible decisions well hang on because I would need to take every single decision I want to discern if I feel it's really indefensible and we have found one that I'm more than willing to admit that that was bad and that's you know they give villager sharpen sticks to defend against an ATST but this is very much the result of a stupid writer and so does this mean the character is stupid because of the stupid writer well it would depend on the larger body of evidence I'm giving you a saying evidence indicates the character shouldn't be this dumb well the previous episodes say this I would say I'm not convinced I'm certainly not convinced that his norm is to do intelligent things well I'm yet to give my call on that the moment I feel he is not wholly incompetent which is I'm willing to admit that he is not perfect and he certainly fails to make mistakes and makes wrong decisions but has to be completely incompetent in this episode there's a lot of problems but again for me I can't really say that this is the problem of the character but more so this is just someone they got the wrong person to write this episode because it's bad but if it's consistent in the next episodes then I would probably agree with you and chat yes I know what his point is so when we say stuff like Han Solo is a deadbeat dad that's fucking disrespectful but the only reason we're annoyed is because that's what they're saying it is people can say the sequels aren't canon it's like the reason it annoys us so much is that it is canon this is canon to Mandalorian all of his decisions in this episode are canon he's an idiot in this episode Ryan Johnson was just a bad director that's not really as for Buffy for example the characters are usually pretty solid it would always be contextual and I'd have to go through the episodes if we were to point something out about it specifically but it's usually the plot in the world that suffer in the bad episodes and in this one I haven't watched the whole thing yet but I'm very confident there's at least going to be one blatantly brain dead thing that the characters have done probably multiple times but with series especially I have to take it as a whole and not judge it by it's weakest point if that makes sense I would probably concede that there were being an idiot in that instance I wouldn't want to be like no it's a bad episode we don't count it what if it's so brain dead stupid that honestly it contradicts how the character is established in the context of the rest of the series I would say it's the flaw we have to consider it in the totality of the character I suppose I can't ignore it as being bad when the whole thing is that's consistent but for me I would say it was a bad episode and I got the wrong person to write it I mean it's certainly a bad episode but these are still things the characters do in the universe and their actions they are taken into account within the world that they're in can you recap this argument because I obviously missed a decent amount because I was dropping in and out you were all tis me there to the connection so the idea is that the episode itself is so awful that we shouldn't really count it as an example of Mando's character as opposed to just counting it as no I don't agree with that I could see an example my justification for it I guess I could see an example being when the writing is so outrageously bad and inconsistent with well like if you had an episode where Homer Simpson just got a hatchet and started chopping people up it would just be like ok so we're not going to treat this as real in my head canon you know something this is episode four it's so early on that at this point yeah you're right like I said it needs to be taken in context with everything else but if I was just to look at these four episodes this one would be the outlier for me I would want to clarify as well it's not like he made a bad tax decision or he made a poor decision in terms of cooking something this is like his bread and butter yeah this is like what he does this should be his thing yeah so it's interesting you're saying he shouldn't have made it by these decisions by the context of would you also say by previous episodes it's portrayed him to have more intelligence than what is showing in this episode this doesn't seem like it's a huge betrayal of his character based on previous episodes though see I don't know if I take the things that he did he's done in the past that he's done in the past and now he's in this situation why would those stupid decisions not carry over well one of the things is that I only agree that one is legitimately stupid I don't see a possibility of evidence to indicate is incompetent up to this point I think decent most overall in the previous episodes the big issue is that this is canonical like this happened I made the point because somebody made the point like does that mean we ignore Lucas you can't really you can choose to but it's canon so like this is why it's really important when you add stories that's the issue is anytime that's why we're all pissed at the sequel trilogy is that it's canon yeah exactly it's canon it ruins it and in this instance every episode you watch afterwards you're like man remember that really bad plan you came up with on the forest planet remember that really stupid plan you came up with that was really stupid like you can't really ignore it because it happened even though we I don't know I think it's always going to be a bad writing I think it's a balance as well because if you consider Mandalorian to be incompetent and then in season 2 he's really really competent it comes out better writing everything to me that's obviously a reflection of bad writing and inconsistent writing and stuff and what should be the norm in considering this character did you just get better or and so it's a more complex kind of I guess argument way of trying to determine the way especially you have different writers on a series because it annoys me when characters are inconsistent and stuff and stuff and so yeah yeah this is really really bad to the point where I like the defences for this have been like legit it isn't just that the Mandalorian is stupid is that a lot of this is all stupid overall I agree with that and so this isn't them actively saying we're going to make the Mandalorian make some mistakes in this episode it's just someone wrote this that was bad at writing okay and for someone in chat we never said that he is a tactical genius or should be this is not like a layman can come up with a better idea than him like it's this is insanely dumb like you don't have to be a tactical genius plan I got the thing taking our argument to get to the absurd version yeah like don't you think he should be probably better than average don't you think he should be at least better than average well I guess my point is that I feel like they have shown him better than average until this episode that's why this is the outlier for me at the moment I would say it's an outlier to me in that it's like incredibly stupid compared to his other decisions in scale but for instance like in the mudhorn he didn't use his thermal vision here he doesn't use his thermal vision it's the same mistake just in different circumstances he just keeps forgetting that he has things that he used for some reason he forgets his thermal stuff he never makes decisions about what he should pull from his armory to use for the best in the right circumstances I would have liked to have seen him use a couple of different weapons and stuff but he uses his grappling hook cleverly and consistently except when he tries to hang there are two points of sorry what except when he tries to hang a scene it all comes to that one also it well yeah keep going nice little nice comment here we want him to be better than average but we want him to be human and not a Mary Sue that is definitely our position 100% yeah we want him to be if you don't think that there is a huge grand canyons worth of space between being better than average and being a Mary Sue I don't know what to tell you also we've always been okay with characters having a specific trait that they're actually very good at that would be kind of crushing to see actually yeah it's one that's good at everything that becomes a problem yeah generally it's no problem if they're really good at one hyper specific thing and look Mandalorian is tough he can take on multiple opponents he's generally good with his grappling hook and stuff and with the first three episodes again needs to be contextualized with everything else but yeah I think he's perfectly fine at the moment except this episode the thing is the clue for me is that everything is dumb and so I think I mentioned it before but it's just the ATSC just doesn't shoot at them for ages and then chooses to shoot their houses it's just bizarre like I was just like this whole thing is over if it just nails Mando I'm not saying it should it's just that it doesn't shoot at anyone so many people could be killed here and it's just like doot doot doot it's like looking around like I don't know how do I kill and she's like stand to stand your ground because obviously the light goes over some people and so you'd think like oh no they've definitely spotted us now and she's like no no no stay there even if it's gonna shoot at you you need to stay there but it just doesn't and she calls people with sticks to just stay there die don't know what's going on because the ATSC could have fired so many more shots and it just sort of doesn't yeah and I know there's someone in chat it's dumbplanned they won after all it's like the reason they won it's bad writing it's something stupid to fix something stupid I shoot myself through my mouth it goes through my head doesn't kill me and shoots the guy who's trying to kill me behind me and I'm like hey it's almost like I was playing against someone in a video game and they lagged and disconnected for a moment so I killed them while they were AFK I mean see I won it must have been better great right I mean I won after all but it's all consistently stupid as well and so it's not it's like yeah they win in Game of Thrones if we remember it doesn't mean their plan was smart I mean it's all consistently stupid yeah yeah is that the outlier well that's just why the example wasn't a perfect comparison because technically they're all glitching and so just one being good and then taking advantage of a dumbplanned area Para takes the rifle drops into the water she shoots at it she doesn't reload and takes a second shot and also out of anyone who should be risking you know running forward it will be Mandalorian because it's got the armor another weird choice yeah I also I'm curious why she thinks getting closer to it would like you have a long range rifle man by the setup they needed it to walk in the pond and so by jumping forward and getting underneath their field of view to see her and fire at her it needed to step forward no it would step backward it would step backward in that scenario no no no like she was sitting lower than the ground above her in the pond and so from the angle of the AT-ST it needed to step forward to look over the ledge I guess in that case I'm a smarter pilot because knowing that the blasts from the AT-ST essentially like grenade drops whenever it hits anything I would just back up aim in her position if she's hiding behind a foot of soil she's still gonna feel this next shot yeah you're right it's terrible cover for the fire power at bay but that I'm just pointing out that was the logic they were trying to pull off yeah and the AT-ST does shoot at her and basically hits within like a foot of her and the soil blocks it and so when it's convenient to the plot soil can block you know cannon and if you if the actual goal was well no because she had to get close to it in order to get under the flaps to shoot inside it there's a shot that I'm showing right now that's just like nah you could have done that from where Mando was yeah I mean again if you can see red that's looking inside of yeah just shoot it man just shoot especially because it's standing still for a long period of time yeah I thought she was only shooting at it to goad it to get it to walk forward to take her out so she again feel the fire see her over the ledge not that she was actually gonna incapacitate it with a blast through the window yeah man they really needed that roof is where the CPU was and she ruined the roof of the inside of it and it took it out someone says in chat wet dirt is very good at absorbing extra energy I wouldn't say grenade explosive equivalent yeah AT-ST is not gonna and besides it's not like it can only fire once like that thing is gonna fire again also I'm gonna be I'll be a little it's strange that so Mandalorian he shoots that rifle at the exposed backside of a sandcrawler and it does nothing but the same shot to the roof of a AT-ST disables the whole thing it makes it drunk it's the weird thing it goes whoa it's like what's happening well if there was a pilot in there and there was an explosion they could have been stunned can cast or whatever there wasn't a pilot in there though wow there's a question honestly people are still talking about it it could be a pilot in there but you're right it's a strange and even if there was a pilot and it hits the top you're like oh okay well no no if there was a pilot in there those rounds seemed fairly concussive and explosive and that could really disorient someone if they're inside I know it doesn't do anything to the back of a sandcrawler yeah because it doesn't penetrate any armor she literally shot inside and the explosion went off inside the cockpit so if there was anyone in there that would really ring their head around I reckon so that one I can and especially because I'm willing to believe it could bounce off the wall and actually hit the dude who's in there assuming there was one which I don't really there's just there's I don't know why they did it the way they did it like it really gives me the impression it's an AI which is just odd I am if I had to gamble I would say it's an AI as well but that seems really strange because the the ATST is like painted up and it's it's a little bit of disrepair like it's kind of dirty which makes sense that they can't maintain it as you know up to super standard but you have an AI piloting in it and not just guys sitting up there it seems odd but also I would like to make you aware of this this this little bit shattered in relation to the fobs and Mando being maybe not but maybe stupid let's just assume it does work in the way of proximity or whatever but once you're on the planet it's not really the point I just want to get to um he says Takara after they've killed this ATST and made some done some stuff he says words travel where's gonna travel fast you might want to cycle the charts and move on implying that it may not be safe for her here anymore now that words gonna get out about this happening and yet he's happy for baby Yoda to stay here very silly man yeah at this point yeah in this episode yes yeah but what about this we'll see that later episodes I think at least I feel I was able to defend most of his action in the previous one bar 2 there were two legitimate ones that I don't think has any excuse but you know how in episode 5 he's gonna do a lot of really stupid things too though add 6 we'll go the assumption was that episode 1 2 and 3 still had a lot of things in there and I think most of it is excusable except like I said 2 so I guess we need to go through it with my analness to see um yeah I also think it's doubly weird that because after the fight weeks have passed no one's still come yet including the empire hasn't come well the single bounty under does come because that's weeks later also if you go to I feel like all of these people look in and all of these resources and especially the empire don't buy that they haven't been here yet honestly though I mean they wouldn't be able to tell the empire baby yos there just that one of the one of the gangs got blown up and maybe the empire takes over in Navarra the Navarra towns they would have access to if you guys are able to pull my stream up I really this one shot that they show I really think there's no one in there like you get a nice big clear view like it's not a particular screenshot just look at the way the the head part of it moves around it's like this I don't think there's anybody in there I don't know what we're looking at that I've got Disney plus up I can quickly oh so the time stamp is around 2855 I've got on repeat right now which luckily for me does not get me in copyright trouble right and yeah I just I don't know looking at it's like how could there be a guy in there and we still can't see them with that shot yeah I mean we know we know what the interior of an ATS where are they they're ducking down it's piloted by by E-Wax they got sick of people shit and they took those ATS T's and they went to their own planet ATS T mercenaries try themselves out from the ones that they they kept from return to the Jedi um play creation said they forgot to add pilots to the CGI that's possible but I doubt it that's like legit like would be like that actually might be the reason they could easily we just watch it you know a couple of years later and suddenly there's on the extended editions when they come out and the blue rays and everything there's all of a sudden pilots there and I can actually believe that um the last thing I have on my list unless you want to continue to develop well I was just going to say because I think I know what you're going to say and my one I think is right before it pretty crazy that both Mando and Baby Yoda were like a split second away from dying there uh with the sniper like a lucky Karatid did Karatid yeah did Karatid up like just to bait him saving from you know someone jumping offscreen it's yeah I hate that crap very close if you pulled that and they show him pulling the trigger almost like woof yeah man woof Karatid cut it closer next time alright and I assume what you were going to say Rags was just like how did Karatid know she just okay I guess she just did I was talking about how the widow wanted him to stay and tells him to pack up his gear and do the normal life and he like almost lets you take off his helmet and he yeah he legit considers it and almost does I remember when I was first watching this episode and I was like please don't take the helm off please please please oh thank god it's way too close I was like damn he almost was like yeah sure yeah abandoning his entire life just to stay in this swamp yeah that's cool he's very consistent with his uh accelerated years of his character development yeah like that's like that's something if it happened at the end of season 2 season 3 I'd be like maybe maybe after all when he's done he's ready to just this would be the end of the show honestly if we were at this point like he's done four episodes in like man a couple days of past or something like chill and then the only other thing I've got before the end for this episode for me was going to be the it's just lucky that nobody fucked with his ship while he'd been gone for weeks question mark I guess they were no Jawas yeah lucky no Jawas on this point alright yeah lockdown mode guys has a turret that most definitely pops up and shoots at people when they get close that's a thing that's it that's it someone made the get out of my swamp joke because as soon as I said swamp I'm like oh yeah like Shrek yeah what are you doing do you have um anything else no that was my last note for this episode what a travesty dumpster fire and I guess I'll show this so let's go from one dumpster fire to the next oh wait I was going to say that photo I've just put up as well so that's um why we assumed you'd see the pilots like how would you not have seen one or two of the pilots yeah definitely I would have especially because what's doubly weird too is that this is an ai allegedly but it is using a flashlight to look for cara I don't know man episode four is a fucking disaster if it is an ai usually star wars never has ai piloted things the very most they'll have a droid piloting but not an actual computer I assume that if a droid can do it you can program it to move itself I mean it's just it's the same thing it's like a tool assisted speed run unless there is like an in cannon you know thing that says no computer ai piloting stuff I don't know yeah I rule might exist but I think it'd be more reason to have yeah absolutely an ai can do things it would be more convenient it's just an extension of we know autopilot exists it's just an extension of that yeah it's just such a consistent thing in star wars that droids are the ones piloting stuff except for in solo when they uploaded the robot but she doesn't she can't pilot it even when they upload it I think I agree with you like star wars has always had it where it's like droids will do it not the computer itself yeah but if this was a really universe I would absolutely in reality in star wars not so much like even in the first episode when you got droids you know driving the cars some of the tanks in the droid army it looks like AI piloted yeah it's either way it's an odd way to introduce this or to have this be in the show here of all places but yeah moving on to episode 5 then episode 5 yes so 5 from what I've gathered is the public people's most hated episode I remember a lot of people saying this one felt like a cartoon in terms of like how yeah I don't care about that argument yeah no I don't care about it either because cartoons can be amazing but unless they're referring to because a lot of people use cartoon to mean sorry he directed episode 1 too I was going to say like to give leeway though some people can use cartoony to mean a lot of things not necessarily is the quality of a cartoon yeah I mean cartoon is a style cartoon is a style not a line of logic but we know what you generally mean when you say that so it's so good in the hood we open up with space battle space battle weird obvious thing first of all it's just like why doesn't he hyperdrive is it damaged or does he well all we got you know if I was to argue this myself I would be like maybe doesn't have enough fuel maybe hyperdrive's not working maybe it's just like they don't really account for it but alright I mean it would have been so easy to solve with a simple one line it's like well damn I yeah I'm sorry it's one of those things just open the episode with the engine damaged no but they need a battle they can still do that with the engine yeah they can do that with the show the engine obviously before his engine is shot I was curious why he wouldn't have hyperdrive to get out of the way of the sky but yeah that one's very defensible with a lot of reasons unfortunately then nothing is given I needed a throwaway line there's a lot of reasons why hyperdrive might not work and it would have been cool to have accounted for it but moving on first out is the guy who's chasing him he says hand over baby Yoda but then for how you gonna do man be careful dude you're shooting a chip with your laser blaster it would have been really funny for him to blow it up and he goes out in a space suit and looks for baby Yoda baby Yoda Mary Poppins itself to his ship also why I guess bringing it in cold or bringing it in warm is like a thing bounty hunters say not because he says that's my line is it that guy yeah it doesn't seem like it's like a unique line I thought it was really cool that that was his line but it's like I guess a lot of bounty hunters say that okay yeah it's not a it doesn't seem like a very I bet a lot of people would have thought of that and use it in any event he this episode also confirms that the ship in one blast he can destroy spaceships so it would have obviously destroyed the ATST with plenty of damage the powerful cannon which will be relevant in the next episode in terms of the firepower on his ship you might even say it's quite a dangerous ship wouldn't you Rex maybe an attack ship might you refer to it as an attack ship I might I would say that that ship if that thing was flying at me with those big fuck off cannons in the front of it in a place where this particular tractor beam thing was activated not a tractor beam tracer track or whatever oh yeah we'll get to that oh shit this thing's going around anyway I have so Mando ship is damaged he's close by the Tatooine I'm fine with him being around Tatooine but at the same time I just kind of wish it wasn't Tatooine that's all it just seems like we know Tatooine and the kind of people who are on Tatooine and more sizely where he goes having Baby Yoda with that tracker fob that he knows is active like man what a place to go we are assuming that everything on Tatooine is the same as when return of the Jedi was around I mean a job of the hut was killed and there's a lot of huts though how many yeah this is a couple years after return of the Jedi right it's like two years after return of the Jedi there was seven I remember someone saying there was seven still not yeah still not still not very long Moss Isley is not going to no longer become a hive of scum and villainy like it just doesn't it's just dangerous like yeah like he just he goes there and I understand it's probably out of necessity but man you gotta go in there thinking what really what baffles me is that he seems to forget that baby Yoda's a thing like he walks off his ship tells her to repair it without droids and then goes and finds a job and it's like dude there's a baby on board I know there is a motherly like character right there who ends up being out of take care thank goodness really well and he and he could have asked for you we should have made a lot more sense they already established that she's willing to do it and capable of doing it and they just needed to do that earlier than later but they don't okay and call back to the first episode I still think is an issue he won't let pit droids fix his ship he will make deals at once immediately with assassin droids yeah I agree that's an inconsistency I wouldn't say it makes him incompetent but I'd say this is definitely an inconsistency I'd say the choice with baby Yoda makes him incompetent droids out of necessity the whole not mentioning baby Yoda and letting it walk around willy nilly was extremely incompetent on his part especially in Mos Eisley dude in Mos Eisley yeah like um anywhere really Mos Eisley just makes it doubly so he just leaves the ship door open doesn't tell the mechanic about it and so it's obvious like at least with children he is very incombinant with but honestly even as a bounty hunter and this is such a valuable you know target and everything the fact that he's not treating baby Yoda with more concern and protection is very odd I'll add that to my list definitely an issue with Mendo I like the reference to the droids from the prequels there I said it yeah they're fine I mean that's where you'd expect a pit droid to be a nice little detail that they're on Tatooine as well you're gonna throw some some pluses in yeah you gotta be like yes yes um look the next thing that I have is again he doesn't mind talking about the droids I kind of think it's ridiculous that he has this droid racism because it gets to like you can't have a droid that's designed to repair my ship repair my ship because I don't trust droids question mark what does he think they're gonna do it's like how far does this go Mendo when someone makes him a piece of toast is he like nah I don't trust toasters it depends how deep the bias goes I totally get it with IG units they're literal assassin units or whatever he's like a mechanic droid that's the only point is to fix things and he's like nah don't trust it and all I'm saying is right this can be a part of his character I'm okay with it if I was in the room with him it'd be like you are rational as fuck that's all I have to say about that but fine he has extreme droidism sometimes so like again the next thing that happens he goes up and chats with a droid at the bar he doesn't go to the person he hates droids a lot he doesn't go to the person goes straight to the droid at the bar try to get info he's like alright I thought he hated droids a whole lot didn't trust him the lady pulled a gun on baby Yoda by the way what if she had just shot and killed oh my god Mando would have been like oh damn it just ruins everything but you shouldn't have left him alone yeah yeah someone said droids can be hacked or in like in episode 5 when they sabotage the ship it's like well why does he trust her if you're gonna talk about how someone could be like as quill points out in the last episode a droid is like not good or bad it's just according to whoever programmed it in the first place and if they heard droids then surely he trusts her enough to fuck with the ship so surely he should trust the droids and if we're using the droids can be hacked thing what about the IG unit we literally know it can be reprogrammed the show tells us that can happen people can just decide to sabotage your ship I think they could have done a better job explaining to us his position on droids it seems strange to really figure out exactly definitely could have been done with more consistency I actually really like it the idea that you have a diversion to droids in general because it kind of reminds me of Ripley and Aliens she like hates the androids but then draws on a nice little arc with the bishop could have done that with Mando they kind of try it in this they tried to pull that off because he ends up liking the droids not wanting them to die alright so I say the droid says the guild doesn't operate here anymore and he's immediately summoned over by Toro I believe his name is who is trying to do a job to get in the guild it's kind of funny to think about this is a job that the guild is okay with what do you mean? the guild doesn't operate here I guess he means that there's no HQ here maybe that's what it means but the guild clear it's okay if a known job because it's okay if there's a known job here and someone's here wanting to use that job to get in the guild but the guild doesn't operate here I think you're just reading too much into it there's no guild HQ there but if you have a target there you can go to the planet to grab it yeah that's not funny that makes sense to me I just find it funny that there's a guy who's got the perfect setup for Mando to join him sitting two meters away from him when he asks publicly how do you do it? I don't think that one's a fair quiz to me because assumedly he might have gone to many planets and found nothing and then I guess it is convenient that it's the one he broke down on that he finds work well I'm not even going to go that far I would just say all I need is for you could be like as anybody got work here and then that's how he finds it as opposed to the one guy to overhear their conversation is like oh I do good obviously it's to facilitate the story moving moving moving I'm just like oh okay he stands out like a sore thumb in his Mandalorian armor all he needed to do was not even have the conversation have someone walk up to him and say hey yeah Mandalorian I think that would actually be better that'll do it so moving on to Toro when he has Mando come over he's Mando declines the job to bring in the super deadly galaxy known assassin which is a wise thing that Mando does to decline that it's a very very dangerous job but when Toro says he's new and has no experience he agrees to do the job yeah this would be another moment of Mando being ridiculously stupid like if you say it's a suicide mission and he's like if he feels sorry for the guy and wants to show him the ropes a bit and stuff and you know alright I'll help you out because you knew wow where'd that come from didn't you just say that he said no but then it's because he says yeah he's not looking for that wait so let's clarify right so the stakes of this proposition are Mando a pretty experienced dude is talking to Guy neutral at this point who's claiming that he's got a bounty to capture Mando is very strict in saying that I will not pursue this with you because she's incredibly dangerous the guy says hey I'm completely inexperienced yeah I'm completely inexperienced so that changes Mando's mind and if someone wanted to argue to me it's the fact that instead of getting half the pay you could get all of the pay Mando's point isn't about the pay it's about the danger yes it's the fact that he specifically says I don't need that kind of heat because this is when he remembers that baby Yoda is a thing and he doesn't want that kind of attention that this high profile target brings so I think what they were trying to pull off is that they're trying to show his compassion that he feels sorry for the young guy is probably going to get killed if he tries to run his own and when he finds out his news like alright I don't want to see you get killed I'll help you because ultimately under his helmet Mando is a really good guy yeah but if he thinks that it's going to kill him what good is it to help you just both die why wouldn't he be like no don't do it he doesn't think it's a suicide mission he thinks he'd be able to take it on but he first I'm willing but then I think he said that he wouldn't even do it did he? well he declines of course he wouldn't do it yeah Mando said no he leaves he walks away he's gone he says no I'm not looking for that kind of heat it's super dangerous oh you don't have any experience let's do it oh let's do it yeah yeah I'm just reading the subtitles he is fairly explicit that she's an elite one who's used to taking out she made her name by killing yeah he's looking for work but he's not looking for that kind of work okay yeah alright well then they just they just made the mistake of making it too tough because he clearly is looking for work yeah what's weird though is that the fee that it takes to get his ship repaired is apparently the money that someone carries around in their wallet I mean we can bring that up later if you want cause that's the end we will bring that up later but it's have the money for the repair and so forth nope nope he takes it from Toro which and Toro didn't get it from any bounty that's just what he has on him yeah he just pulled it just Toro's wallet that was enough so yeah moving on so he's got the the thob and Mando's like give me it and then he breaks it in his head how the hell does that work how that doesn't make sense you can't memorize the thob it's a homing device you can't memorize the thob he didn't break the thob he broke the thob he broke the thob I'm pretty sure he didn't even have a thob yeah he did have a thob but he broke the thob I will double check just to make sure but I am I can promise he broke the thob take a little look see oh yeah he says give me the tracking thob and he holds out his hand yeah and then he breaks it but this makes no sense you can't memorize the thob you can't memorize the thob it's a tracker also I have no idea why he broke it I guess because he assumed that Mando could kill him I guess he could memorize the location it was pointing because I guess he didn't want Mando to take the thob and run yeah and go with the bounty on his own I guess even though it's been valuable to the operation which I kind of understand but how the hell do you memorize a thob that doesn't make sense yeah if she moves you're fucked like this is insanely dumb he ruins the whole thing still goes along with the plan even after he breaks the thob in front of him he still goes with the plan he still goes with it and then again this episode is pretty damn bad so immediately after right his knowledge that this guy is desperate to get into the guild he's aware of the guild he got a job from the guild and he allows him to see baby Yoda while also being a Mandalorian I can't help but assume which is confirmed later actually but there's a story going around right now that reaches the port that he ends up in the next episode and it reached the assassin lady thereafter that there is a Mandalorian that did not well that took back his bounty that's a baby and he's on the run like why would you let anyone see baby Yoda why are you not saying hey lady keep him in the ship don't let anyone see him and of all the people you would have to see him why a guy who's directly evolved the guild and again like this is just mando being an idiot hey guys unfortunately I'm gonna have to call it quits that is absolutely alright over 60 hours oh my god it's fucking 10, 20 oh my goodness it's been heaps of fun and you know it was a good kind of relaxing thing to do before I head off to surgery tomorrow so lots of fun guys appreciate it sorry I can't say for the whole thing though well do you want to talk about what's coming for your channel even though technically speaking you're taking a month off sort of yes a lot everyone kind of already knows where I'm from so there's not much to say we post an update didn't we appreciate you guys appreciate the chat well yeah thank you for coming on and giving us quite the conversation to have I wish mando I know the thing is why I gotta go now with all the episodes I easily go for another 6 hours and I should really spend some time with the family yeah absolutely man thanks for hanging out for as long as you did and good luck with the surgery it'll be fine be the best patient you could be we look forward to your speedy recovery no sudden movements alright yeah so the surgery itself is the easiest part the damn recovery is gonna be miserable so anyhow I hope you're a good listener alright guys I'll catch you later see you later bye bye should we just try and machine gun these out yeah we can machine gun these out um yeah we got all these bullet points we can go through them I'll try to pay attention for chat to get some potential counters to a lot of these so we can go through so there is a delay on the stuff we say and when chat scrolls up so give it some time but if you think you have legit counters to some of the stuff we say or just funny jokes then buy all me and send them through yeah we're in EFAP after hours at this point we're into 5am britain time midnight almost for a lot of Americans if you're here with us tonight that means you're in the spooky after hours for EFAP you're a real fan this is real loving hours so we are at him seeing he lets baby Yoda be seen by Toro apparently he doesn't seem to care if people see him yeah it's very weird next up I only got a small thing which is the Tuscan Raiders magically appearing they like know where to be seen they only magically appear well I'll say they only magically appear to him who's inexperienced Mandalorian knows they're there but like I'm not sure where the hell they came from I guess they were just beyond the ridge um maybe the show does point out that they only surprise the green guy they do not surprise Mando he probably sees him walking up and is like gonna talk with him so I think it shows the skill gap between the two they're like behind him I'm willing to let that one go anyway um I have the do-back with the writer it's a fucking obvious ass trap it's just man just walk up to it I guess flip him right on over yeah and Mando relying on rookie man to defend him he's like okay instead of saying hey you go do it I know he has the armor but it just surprises me he's not he seems very trusting he's more trusting in humans and droids but I guess that's a part of his his character you think a guy in his position would just be really resistant to trust people very hesitant to place that kind of trust in strangers he just met but I guess he's just a really trusting guy you know those bounty hunters just just be trusting too wild and trusting guys that was racist whatever you just did you didn't get the reference I guess someone said why do you think his thermals would detect the mud horn when there's the predator movie so a mud horn is really big and it's inside of a cave that's fairly close to you and when it come to the predator Schwarzenegger specifically and the people who do that they are sapient and intelligent beings who are specifically trying to hide from the predator so I understand what you are saying I don't think that they all apply but I do understand what you're saying Rags has to love Mandalorian now take Shad's spot I'll fucking do it I'm sure he gets hit by by the second shot it seems to hit him in his bum and make loads of sparks I don't know what this means for Mandalorian it means he's got that fucking ass like fire he has a best car butt plug I managed to hit that yeah so they established that there is a sniper lady she hits him in his armor twice and they decide they'll wait till nightfall the weird part of this is that they want to wait till nightfall so they can flashbang her on the way to getting to her which would work in daylight I don't really know why they need to wait for nighttime because it's almost like an electrical because she's looking through a scope like a thermal scope essentially so they could have done that during the day I'm not going to count it again