We've talked a little bit about Statistics and how we can use them one of one of the important things to always keep in mind is that Statistics don't always measure what you think They're measuring Good example is unemployment, right? I mean what could be easier than Calculating how much unemployment there is so you say you know the unemployment rate is 4% that means 4% of the people are unemployed, right? It's a little more complicated than that First off when we talk about unemployment it the number applies only to people who we call Workers that is people who are in the labor force people who are in the labor force or people either who have jobs or Don't have jobs, but would like them, right? So people who are retired. They're not in the labor force people who are full-time students They're not in the labor force people who are chronically ill. They're not in the labor force We the labor force are is a subset of the population So when we say for example unemployment rate is 4% we mean 4% of the labor force does not have jobs Now that seems pretty straightforward Except it isn't Consider this case suppose you had 5 million people in your labor force and of these 5 million people 4.7 million of them had jobs and the other 300,000 did not have jobs Your unemployment rate is the number of unemployed people the 300,000 divided by the labor force of 5 million So 300,000 divided by 5 million is 6% it's a 6% unemployment rate now one of the problems with Defining the labor force as people who have jobs or people who don't have jobs But would like jobs is it's unclear what it means someone who doesn't have a job, but would like a job I mean if we could Call all of the people who didn't have jobs and ask them would you like a job if there were one available? That's okay, but we can't do that, right? We have to we have to attempt to estimate the number of people who Don't have jobs, but would like to have them So one of the things that we do is we ask questions like Have you actively looked for a job in the past few weeks, right? That is, you know You've responded to an ad or you've gone down to the local unemployment office, whatever it is And Anybody who says yes to that? We say all right. Well, you're a person who doesn't have a job But would like one so you're part of the unemployed that you're our 300,000 number, right? But now things start to get sticky What happens if you've got somebody who would really like a job? But he's just this person's just kept looking and looking and looking and not found any job at all And he's come to the conclusion that it's not worth his time to look for a job So he stopped looking So this sort of person is someone who's unemployed who does not have a job But isn't looking for one either but would take one if one came along, right? So he's rationally stopped looking because it's not worth his effort He's no longer counted on our unemployment roles as unemployed. He is what we call non-employed So interestingly, we've got now three categories of people the employed the unemployed the non-employed And the non-employed are people who don't have jobs, but we have determined You know using some metrics that we use That these people don't want jobs either We understand we might be wrong about that but given you know that we can't call up everybody and ask them their particulars As to why they don't have jobs. We've got to draw a line in the sand somewhere So we say look if you've been out of work a certain period of time or you haven't look for a job In a certain period of time, we're going to put you off the roles count you as non-employed Now Here's where the statistics get very messy Let's suppose of our 5 million people 4.7 million of them have jobs 300,000 of them don't 100,000 of these 300,000 have been unemployed for long enough that we move them off the roles We now consider them non-employed When we move 100,000 of these unemployed people off the roles or reclassify them as non-employed two things happen First the number of unemployed people has declined. It was 300,000. It's now 200,000 Second our labor force has declined. It was 5 million The employed and the unemployed people now it's 4.9 million because these these 100,000 become unemployed or sorry They've become non-employed. We no longer count them as part of the labor force So when I go to calculate my unemployment numbers I have 200,000 people who are unemployed out of a labor force of 4.9 million That's an unemployment rate of 4.1 percent So there's something fascinating Simply by these 100,000 people being unemployed for so long that we no longer count them My official unemployment rate has dropped from 6 to 4.1 percent Even though I have the same number of jobs I had before I had 4.7 million people working before I have 4.7 million people working now So this is one of the problems that we have to keep in mind as we think about statistics in this case Specifically the unemployment rate is be very careful that you understand how these things are measured Now that's a hypothetical case But it becomes real when you start to look at unemployment numbers in the u.s It starting at the great recession So around about 2009 2010 of course we have the great recession lots of people are out of work and The media would go and interview people on the street Round about 2010 when the economy started turning around and they would say things like well the economy's turning around our unemployment rate numbers are down You know people are getting back to work. How do you feel? And invariably the the man on the street that the that the media would interview would say something like no I don't think the economy is getting better And this persisted it persisted so much it became kind of a thing in the media of why is there this disconnect that Quarter after quarter the economists are saying unemployment rate is falling And yet quarter after quarter when we interview people in the street, they say that they don't believe the economy has improved Why the disconnect? Part of the disconnect is that in the great recession We had a tremendously long period of unemployment historically Historically it's the larger the median the median unemployed person was unemployed for a longer period than had ever been the case before Unemployed people were unemployed for so long that census bureau stopped counting a rear of labor statistics stopped counting them as unemployed And so we were seeing the unemployment rate drop in part because more people were getting jobs But also largely in part because some people were unemployed for so long They stopped looking and we stopped counting them and that was the disconnect in fact the people in the street were right Their their gut reaction was the economy wasn't improving and largely speaking their exceptions But largely speaking it was about the same as it was before the drop in the unemployment numbers was due to this statistical abnormality if you want to call it that of this oddness of how we calculate unemployment And if you look at the numbers in here, you have them the the blue line The blue line on this graph is the unemployment rate Which you can see rising 2008 Starts first quarter 2008 you can see it go up with this start a great recession and kind of you know tail off A bit and then the employment rate, which you see on the red It starts up high and then drops down low and the interesting thing here is you can see the unemployment rate starting around 2000 fourth quarter 2009 through 2010 The unemployment rate falling But the employment rate not rising And that's that it's this phenomenon that you would only Come to understand if you if you're looking not simply at the raw statistics of what's the unemployment numbers But rather also understanding how they're defined So some other things to be careful about We're talking about unemployment be careful how you quote unemployment statistics Because you can find contradictory numbers coming from the same from the same entity bureau of labor statistics, for example measures Unemployment numbers or how many jobs there how many people have jobs and they do it two ways They will Survey employers and ask, you know, have you taken on new employees? Have you laid anybody off? How many workers do you have in those numbers all put together? Give us a picture of how many jobs there are Bureau of labor statistics will also ask Workers, you know surveying workers how many do you have a job? Are you employed full-time these sorts of things and compile those statistics? And so on the one hand we have employment numbers coming from employers And then we also have employment numbers coming from workers And the two don't necessarily agree. In fact, they almost always disagree, right? There's some noise in the thing So one of the things we have to be careful of is, you know, when you hear Politicians, for example, touting the latest job reports and saying, well, according to The statistics we've created 100,000 jobs In the last month and this is good news. My policies are working Be careful that you understand what's going on because of The oddness in how we measure employment because of Differences in in not just how we define unemployment, but in how we're measuring it Are we asking employers? Are we asking employees? And because of random noise that I can't ask all The employees I can't ask all of the all of the employers. I have to take samples Because of these three things oddness of how we define the thing How we measure the thing and and randomness in the measurement itself There's lots of noise in the data There's enough noise that 100,000 jobs added in a month Is not very distinguishable from just the background fluctuations In other words for the politician to come out and say look, um, clearly my policies work We've added 100,000 jobs statistically speaking that 100,000 is not um is not distinguishable from background randomness It's like My saying I can command the laws of physics I say that when I flip a coin it will come up heads and I flip the coin it comes up heads and I say see my policies work What's going on is by random chance it happened, right?  It's not large enough number to really be saying much about It's randomness when the economy is is kind of affected and people choose to go to law school Maybe or when the economy is getting healthier and more people are entering the workforce How does that affect non-employment and unemployment figures? Yeah, it does affect them So when you have a bunch of people who have graduated college and then now hit the Job market you'll see on you know that would that would contribute upward pressure to the unemployment rate Because all of a sudden here were people we weren't counting before they were full-time students And now they've entered into the market looking for jobs. They now get classified They move get moved from the non-employed to the unemployed category All right, so you that would give you upward pressure on employment Then once I get jobs it comes back down again A similar phenomenon is happening now actually with baby boomers hitting retirement As baby boomers hit retirement They're exiting the labor force And now we have They're not we have a decline not only in the number of employed because they were employed people who are now Ceasing to be employed, but they're moving from employed to non-employed So we talk about unemployment another measure to be careful about that's quoted frequently is inflation We hear when we hear inflation numbers We often mistakenly assume that these numbers are attributable to all prices everywhere Keep in mind that inflation is an average Number so when we say something like in the actual number is in 2014 the the inflation rate in the u.s Was just under one percent Now what does that mean what it means is on average the prices of things that consumers buy rose by one percent on average To give you some specific examples in that same year when inflation was one percent the price of gasoline fell four percent The price of computers fell 10 percent The price of housing rose five percent So We have to keep in mind the the definition of inflation It's some it is the average change in the price level across all goods Just because we see a low inflation rate, it doesn't mean for example that you know We should expect the cost of tuition to be rising at one percent because inflation is one percent The individual prices will rise at different different rates. They'll just average out to what we call inflation So measures that that People commonly hear statistical measures people commonly hear unemployment inflation another one is gdp. So gdp we We People generally are correct in in saying well, this is a measure of the economic activity that's going on There are some details in the number, but basically that's right In as gdp rises generally speaking that means that we're better off Because increased gdp means we have increased incomes Of course technically speaking you need to adjust for inflation right because gdp could go up simply because prices rise So if I um if I buy this coffee cup for $2 this year that's $2 that goes toward gdp If I buy this same coffee cup not for two dollars, but for five dollars That's five dollars that goes toward gdp The gdp is higher now. It looks like the gdp is is it looks like we're better off because the gdp is higher In fact, we're not any better off. It's the same coffee cup. It was before all that happened is I had to pay a higher price for it So one of the things we have to be careful of is when we think about gdp over time Make sure that you're that you're looking at gdp that's adjusted for inflation That's a that's a better measure of our well-being as a whole But even gdp adjusted for inflation only tells us how well off we're doing In the aggregate it doesn't tell us much about how we're doing on an individual basis Um, you know good case in point is china's gdp is A little bit higher than united states gdp, but their population is much higher So on a per person basis The gdp is actually much lower in china than in the u.s so To look at gdp as people will quote it as this is a measure of how well how well off we are Keep in the back of your mind We need to make sure we're looking at gdp adjusted for inflation and on a per capita basis And there are problems there still but generally that's not a bad proxy for how well people are How well off people are on average One of the bigger problems with gdp is a measure of how well off we are Is that gdp simply adds up the value of all the goods and services that are sold It ignores what those goods and services are for example If I sell you An apple pie for ten dollars that ten dollars gets Calculated into the gdp and so we see the gdp is you'll however large it is in this measure of gdp Is an attempt to represent the apple pie and all the other things that you bought Okay, fine Suppose now I sell you not an apple pie for ten dollars, but a mud pie for ten dollars When I calculate gdp, it's the same ten dollars that goes in here So whether I sell you a mud pie for ten dollars or an apple pie for ten dollars It doesn't alter the statistics the gdp is the same It's ten dollars more of gdp The problem of course is nobody wants a mud pie So you are worse off even though the gdp is the same I sell you apple pie gdp is here. I sell you mud pie gdp is here But if I sell you mud pie you're worse off and all of a sudden you see the gdp doesn't necessarily always Reflect how well off we are it it moves in concert with how well off we are but there are some exceptions to this right the exceptions One source of the exceptions is government intervention in the economy Go back to the mud pie. Why would you buy a mud pie from me for ten dollars? Generally, there's no reason right? Nobody wants a mud pie But if I have a government that taxes you And has decided for whatever reason that it would be good if you had mud pies The government taxes you uses that money and buys the mud pie and puts it on the table and say here's a mud pie Notice what's happened with the government intervention The government through taxation and spending can effectively force you to buy things you would not voluntarily buy on your own And so we can have a gdp of a certain level And say well, we must be well off because we have this nice big gdp What we're missing is what Comprises this gdp. Is it generally goods that people have chosen to buy for themselves? Or is it goods that the government has chosen to buy for you? This becomes important When we start to talk about the importance of for example stimulus spending So people will say things like well, look it's good that the government spends money because when it spends money It um, you know creates jobs and this creates income for other people and lots of nice things happen None of that is wrong But there's an important point that's missing and that is what is the government spending the money on Simply because it's spending money Doesn't mean you're better off. It does mean the gdp will be higher But it doesn't mean necessarily that you're happier if I right now take five dollars from each of you and buy a pizza You'll all be happy if I take five dollars from each of you and you know Buy more paper and throw it on the table not necessarily so but the gdp is the same in both cases So given these deficiencies of gdp calculation, so are there any substitutes that are debatable or? Yeah, are there substitutes there are there's a there's a measure called gross output Which is an interesting thing it measures it measures more things than gdp does it suffers from It's free of some of the problems of gdp But it suffers from others from some of the same problems as gdp and it has some other problems that gdp doesn't have There is no There is no perfect way to do this We're talking about measuring people's well-being The reason there's no perfect way to do it is because each individual is different and things that you like aren't necessarily Things that he would like and so if I add up things that you like and say this is a measure of well-being I haven't captured him But if I add up things that he likes and say this is a measure of our well-being. I haven't captured you So there is no right way to do this. They're just competing Semi bad ways to do it, right? So the important thing here is that when we look at statistics like inflation unemployment gdp gdp growth That we understand that what we're looking at is Is not really the thing we want to see It's a proxy for the thing we want to see and it has some good points It has some bad points. It's just necessary to be aware of what those are So is there a way for us to measure things You know goods and services that aren't necessarily counted, you know as they normally would be in gdp So, you know things like black market stuff aren't necessarily, you know, traded You know, at least in any way that we could properly measure. So is there any way that we can, you know, track that? You know and measure what sort of goods and services are actually being traded outside of the regular market, I guess Yeah, that that's a good question. So there are two points here. The first is gdp Our attempt to measure all the goods and services that are produced Is not a complete measure because it ignores anything for which there isn't a paper trail, right? That includes some Goods that are, you know, bought and sold under the table Right, so you hire the neighbor kid to mow your lawn. You pay him a couple of bucks. That's a service It's being provided. It's not including gdp.  There's no paper trail. There's no way to measure this thing Also, there there are products for which there's no paper trail that have nothing to do with being under the table or being illegal If you um, you have a rowboat and you like to go out rowing on the river On a saturday and you go out on a saturday and you row along and you do your thing. You're having a good time This is leisure You are producing something you're producing leisure For yourself and you're consuming this this has value And yet it's not included in gdp again because there's no paper trail, right? So Anything anything that that can't be tracked through through, you know, taxes or filings or this kind of thing We we don't measure economists attempt to get their heads around these things. You can imagine the problem You know estimating the value of people's leisure is is hard enough Given that A it's a hard thing to measure but b people are at least willing to answer the question when you say, you know, what do you How do you spend your leisure time? Measuring the drug trade you can imagine is is hard not only because it's there things are difficult to measure But people aren't interested in answering your question when you say how many, you know What's the value of the illegal drugs that you sold last quarter? Right So there economists attempt various ways to get at these and there are fuzzy numbers as to how the what how large those numbers might be What our takeaway here is to understand that the gdp measure that we look at that measures the magnitude of our economy Is smaller than the actual economy because of these things we've left out how much smaller we don't know But it is smaller than the actual economy How does this influence our measurement of command economies where probably most of the stuff that's Creating value for people or at least much of the stuff is happening in black markets And then a lot of the stuff that's officially counted is produced by A metagonism of central planning that's going to create lots of stuff. That's not producing value for people Should we just take any gdp measures from command economies with many grains of salt? Generally, yes you What you could what becomes a little bit easier with command economies is um, you're absolutely right We can't necessarily trust the numbers we're looking at because they aren't Measuring things in the way that we measure them in a free market So a dollar spent in a command economy isn't necessarily the same kind of thing as a dollar spent in a free market However Some things we can do is look at growth rates and to say okay Here's a command economy and they're measuring gdp and they tell me their gdp is you know 2 trillion dollars and i'm not quite sure what that means I think it doesn't come close to meaning what we say what in a free market where we say 2 trillion dollars however From last year to this year their number went from 2 trillion to 2.1 trillion That's a x percent growth Whatever that growth is they're measuring it the same way before last year and they're measuring it the same way this year Last year they got a 2 trillion number now they got a 2.1 trillion So I can conclude that there was some growth here, right? So whatever nastiness there is in the measure I know that the measure rose That rising of the measure would indicate that there's something Perhaps real going on here assuming that you can believe the numbers at all one more question Going back to kind of remaining compliant Is there any measure for like The the gdp that's created from having to go to h&r block to file my taxes or So that creates that creates gdp But then the people who buy turbo tax and spend six hours doing it themselves Don't necessarily generate that same value Yeah, that's an excellent question Because on the one hand the people who use turbo tax Suppose I can use turbo tax now cost me 70 bucks to buy it. Okay, so that 70 bucks contributes to gdp If I had gone to a tax accountant, it would have cost me let's say 150 The turbo tax is only 70, but I have to add my own labor And let's suppose when I add my own labor, I'm now up to a total of 150 70 bucks for turbo tax plus the other 80 bucks of my labor that gives me 150 same as if I went to the tax accountant If I go to the tax accountant the full 150 counts toward gdp Over here, we don't count the value of your labor because there's no paper trail So all we count is the the 70 bucks for the turbo tax So that's one that's one issue doing the taxes myself will cause the gdp to appear to be less The other thing that's going on is the doing the taxes at all Magnifies gdp erroneously right because what I'm doing is I'm sitting down and I'm spending this time or I'm paying an accountant to spend the time Going through all of these rules To figure out, you know, how much money I owe and then cut a check to the irs It's a tremendous amount of effort to do that That effort isn't producing anything Well, it's keeping me out of jail because I'm paying the irs, right But it's not producing Anything in any real sense think of it another way if the government Had a much more simplified tax code That resulted in me owing the same amount of money I do now But I could do it by filling out two lines on a card I could fill out those two lines in the card paid the government the same amount of money I'm paying them now and all of that time that I was spending doing all this nonsense is now freed up to do other things I could be more productive. I can you know go and rowing on the river with my canoe or whatever it is What the government has done by causing me to spend a tremendous amount of time doing my taxes or By causing me to pay someone else to spend a tremendous amount of time doing my taxes What the government has done is to force me to buy a mud pie Here's this thing that you would not like it doesn't help you any but i'm going to make you buy it We make jokes People make jokes about Government make work projects where you hire people to dig holes and other people to fill them back in again And you look at the dollars that change hands the way we paid these people to dig the holes We paid these other people to fill them back in that's lots of gdp But if you look at what's produced nothing was produced here Nothing it's the stuff that's produced that we care about The gdp measure is an attempt to get our heads around the stuff that was produced That's no different than the tax code With the tax code we create this very complex thing It's like saying okay dig this hole And then we have to hand it over to very smart people to figure out how we can comply with it That's like fill the hole back in At the end we really haven't produced anything


I've had it. I've had it. They want to go to war. They want to make little jokes about my dog In her condition Okay All right, cool What's good with y'all it's your boy Ross back at it again with another video and I can't believe I'm doing this vlog right now But it has to be addressed This guy right here, he's gone too far man. He's gone way too far The jokes must stop now. It's just it gotta stop for those who don't know what's going on Me and him we have a podcast on the in the clutch page And we have a group chat with a couple of our friends on that page Well in the in the group chat and we basically come up with topics for the podcast later on that week We record on Saturdays that way it can be uploaded for the next week. Whatever reason this week he wanted to Bring the topic of my dog now for those who don't know my dog. Let me show you right here. Yo, Blondie. What's good? Come here Come here. Come here Blondie. Come here. Come here. Oh, that's a good girl. My dog is pretty old I want to say she's about 12 years old going on 13 she's old and she has a cough and basically with that cough anytime like she gets excited or Like whenever I come home or what night or even if somebody else just comes like into the house Like somebody knew doesn't matter.  It's been like that for about a year now It's not an all the time things when she's chilling like right now. You can't really end the video She's not really coughing or anything. She's just chilling But like if if I was to start jumping around and really playing with her and stuff She start coughing all over the place. So basically the running joke is oh She's gonna be the topic of discussion because I've agreed to bring her on the podcast I've brought her over there. It's when we were recording before Just on like regular reaction videos, but I said I was gonna bring her on one of the podcast this week and Of course my boy Duh me he has to make jokes. I Don't really find them that funny, but of course it's about my dog and my relation to my dog So of course he has to make jokes and then everyone else in the group chat They just think it's the most hilarious thing. You got that one person texting in all caps. Oh my god I'm in tears skull emoji skull emoji skull emoji, and I'm just like wow Yeah, man, you're really dying over here. You got someone else saying oh Man put me in a coffee cuz I'm dead man. My funeral service will be this Saturday, and I'm like huh So great, and then you got that one person that don't even really be talking much in the group chat But he'll come out the woodworks seem like oh man your dog needs some some buggy cough syrup and all this other stuff Even he even he makes his little jokes, and it's like I it's cool They have their own little time to enjoy in the laughter at the expense of my dog I don't know if y'all can hear her now. She's coughing right now like she's chilling, but it just happens There's nothing she can do about it. You know I'm saying it's not a all the time thing But that's pretty much what I'm dealing with right now We can't even get topics out because these motherfuckers It's so it's so it's so funny all right now I'm talking to you dumb you my light-skinned brother my light-skinned friend You are a family man with three children beautiful wife beautiful kids got the white picket fins all that family man I Expect better, but once again.  That's probably the best time They're gonna be assholes. So since this is what we doing right now, and this is what's happening right now the Is this really what you want to do?  That's cool.   I'm gonna do it you want to keep the jokes going you want to just have a Fun old time in the in the chat in the group chat and everyone else is gonna lap along One by one all will fall. I will get you all back. I don't know how I don't know when I don't know where One by one when the opportunity arises. I will make sure there's a camera in my hand I will make sure I get you All of you you embark on this Let's talk about blondie journey You must deal with the consequences and it starts with you dub I have to make an example out of you. I don't know when and where best believe May want to be on your peas and queues because when you slip up and you will cuz everyone does I will be there This is your last and only warning So you can make a video a response to this saying hey, I'm a layoff If you don't make a video response saying that and you're saying a if you want, let's go to war Let's go to war dub. Let's do it. This is my only warning. I will give to you and anyone else that sides with dub Hey, man, I Don't know what to say if some stray shots straight bullet shots hit you as you was in you was in the way And I tried to tell you to move out the way So everyone that thinks it's funny That's something to come to Dub your enemy number one But other than that got some more videos coming for you guys later on this week. I will be checking out AEW NXT We got a record later on for the intercutch page But I'll try to make some time to check that out either tonight or tomorrow and I will be checking out Friday night Smackdown the usual content will be back on the channel But I just have to get this off my chest, but I appreciate y'all kicking it with me and dub I Got you, bro. I Got you fam Me and blondie. We ain't having it no more. Ain't that right blondie? We're not having it no more She chillin right now, but she already let me know Chill out my nigga, and you don't want to chill out. That's cool We'll take matters into my own hands See you later, dog


Live from New Orleans, it's theCUBE, covering VeeamON 2017, brought to you by Veeam. We're back, welcome to theCUBE and VeeamON 2017. My name is Dave Vellante with Stu Miniman. Vladimir Val Taft is here. He's the principal infrastructure architect at Granite Construction. Val, good to see you. Thanks for coming on theCUBE. Pleasure. So tell us about Granite Construction. What do you guys do? Well, Granite is one of the largest public construction companies in U.S. It's a publicly traded company. It's actually one of the S&P 500 with the annual revenues of two and a half billion dollars. And if you see on the East Coast, if you see Tappin's Bridge, that's one of the flagship projects of Granite Construction, as an example. Oster roads, tunnels, airports, heavy construction. So was that the old Tappin's Z, the new one that's been going up? Venue. Oh yeah, yeah, it looks great. Yeah, I flew over last week on my way to Orlando. I said, ah, that's the new Tappin's Z. Looking forward to making it easier to get down to New York City, New Jersey area. So yeah, it's one of the flagship projects where we're proud of. And in your role as a principal architect, tell us about that and your background there. Well, construction industry is not known for over-investing in IT. You know, if you look at Gartner's reports, construction industry typically is around one plus percent of the revenue. And that's where Granite is. So when the new team took over IT, there was an org change, we inherited a lot of technical debt. And that was plus exploring lease on the data center, which was actually going to be closed down by a major vendor and we had to move it very quickly. Okay, so you come to a show like Veeamon to learn from your peers, figure out best practices. I mean, that's what you hear from people, but what's the event been like for you? What's the conversation been like? And where are you focused? We chose Veeamon as a partner, a technology partner for a number of, I believe, good reasons. So one of the motivations for me to come here was to establish better contacts with the Veeam organization. Also, I realized that the technical depth here is, I would say, superior to many other events I had attended. So I was really searching for that depth, as well as the right contacts, because we are right outside of the Silicon Valley. So we're actually doing forward-looking things. I can give you some examples. Please, yeah. We were site number 141 for the SDN implementation using Cisco ACI, as an example.  Was there last week at ServiceNow Knowledge? That's right. Actually, I did go to Rwanda. And well, we also have HP as our preferred vendor. So all of them are present in this forum. And some of the announcements, I really had a good fortune to hear firsthand actually make our life easier now. So anytime I hear of ServiceNow customer, I know they've been through some kind of transformation. And when you talked about technical debt, and I'm inferring that you've modernized some of your infrastructure, that's a big part of what you have to do as IT architect. Can you talk about that? Is that, first of all, is that correct? And what did you have to do to achieve that? Well, as a team, we had to, as I mentioned, repay a lot of technical debt in a short period of time, and move our data center. But our main data center is just one data center. Granite is operational from coast to coast. We have more than 40 regional and branch sites. They have their own computer installations, computer rooms or mini data centers. We have 120, depending on the time of the year and the volume of business of construction sites, which are also IT sites. So even the scale of that operation is a challenge. Well, with so many locations, can you speak to the impact that Veeam has with what you're doing both operationally and just in general? Again, in this reasonably short period of time, Veeam helped us, again, as a tool, to enable VM-level backups because we had to virtualize very quickly and then move over the wire from the old data center with the expiring lease. Lease expiration was really surprised for the new team to the new data center at AT&T in Redwood City, California. Veeam was there as a backup tool to secure the baseline for the main data center. The main data center is VMware. So Veeam apparently has a great name in the VMware community. But then the field is pure Microsoft. And with Hyper-V, Veeam was there right on time with support for pure Microsoft environment. So that's what enabled our field securing the basis for the field, which we didn't have any backup standards. We couldn't get full control of our data. The ownership, the governance was not there. The backups were disjointed. So at this point, when we nailed what I just started referring to as Veeam on the ground, we have that baseline. And here on the show floor, I made the contacts with the Veeam partner who actually can look at the Veeam backups, analyze them, and it's a low-cost entry for us to really better understand the dark data we inherited. Some of that might be backups of the old backups of the old backups. Some of it may have PII. So again, it's one extra benefit of attending the show was establishing contacts with the partners who actually complement the Veeam solution. Frankly, getting this information in the field is more of a challenge, especially if or when we deal with very good resellers or partners Veeam has. But there is always a delay getting this information first-hand expedites things. All right, Val, we're out of time. So thank you very much for coming to theCUBE. I appreciate it. Good to meet you. All right, keep it right there, everybody. We'll be back with our next guest. This is Dave Vellante, Stu Miniman, live from Veeamon 2017. We'll be right back.


But Midget Girls are finally back on the ice this week at home versus North Wright County. Jack's down one of the first. Hawks get behind the defense though for a breakaway, but Nettie Kimball says not all with the save. That keeps the deficit a goal and more from Kimball later in the period. Shot from the point off a turnover, but she's all over that one for another save. Just too much pressure though from North Wright County throughout the game. Sydney Lemke right out front for the goal. Hawks put up four in the first. They would go on to win this one eight to nothing. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland news, please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


How y'all doing today? Good, thank you. My name is Kel Bales, and we are currently at Ilbar Coffee House in Bistral, located in downtown Kimberley, Wisconsin, within the Burr Street Center. I grew up here in Appleton, Wisconsin, and wanded up after I graduated from high school, went to Griffin College for a couple of years, and decided I wasn't quite working out, so I joined the Air Force for four years. Over 23 years, two months, 12 days, about 16 hours later, I retired from the Air Force, and moved back here to Appleton in September of 2018. I think most military members that I've talked to really have kind of an underlying entrepreneurial kind of motivation. It was important because it was a need. I was having veterans come into my office, talk to me about their ideas, wanting to start a business. We did not have a specific program for them to serve them. Being from a family that has had people serve and being proud of their service my entire life. I had grandfathers that served in World War II. I had uncles, many that served during Vietnam, and my son served for six years. Even though we are from different services, a different age group, different demographic, different backgrounds, we all had that commonality of being a U.S. military veteran. I can't speak highly enough of the program, truly a lifesaver that really kind of helped me find my way in some of those kind of hopeless moments of, okay, now what do I do, how do I do this? Putting some structure back in my life that I desperately needed. To know that we can provide a foundation for them to get launched, open up their awareness to all of the resources that are available to them right here in their own backyard around the state and around the nation, and then be here for ongoing support if they need us is really an honor and I feel blessed to have the opportunity to serve these folks and to be able to watch them take off and grow.


It was a close race in the long night in New Hampshire. But Democrat Jean Sheen came to hold her seat in the U.S. Senate. Everybody here is really excited, although it took some time to get here. I was a part of the campaign in 2008. I had worked with her for a while after that. I live in Ireland now and I came back for five days just to be part of this because I care about her that much. Thank you New Hampshire! Jean Sheen is absolutely the best senator, not only to represent New Hampshire but to the entire United States Senate.  Tonight the people of New Hampshire chose to put New Hampshire first.  She knows the state better than anyone. She's been working here. She knows us. She knows all of our names. She knows what issues we care about and she fights for them. She's a party for supporters at her headquarters in Manchester, New Hampshire. How did you feel when they announced that she won? Ecstatic! Ecstatic! Thrilled. I'm proud to say I'm from New Hampshire. It's the middle class. I feel like it was going to be good if the Republicans took over. So I feel like it's such a great win. I promise you I will work with anyone in the Senate. Democrat, Republican, things done to help New Hampshire's working families and our small businesses. Reporting for the BUNU Service, I'm Rebecca Sutton.


Hi everyone, Joe for jazby's casebreaks.com. We did it. We knocked out jazby's basketball hit packs I think we did the we had a baseball and a football one over the weekend looks like we did those I think those are pretty great Hopefully I run out a good time of those. There's the checklist right there all randomly packed away In there. We're gonna see who gets what Now a couple different dice rolls here first dice roll is we took out a spot actually and we're gonna give them away Give that spot away to someone who bought a full spot. So a one and six chance So that'll be our first dice roll second dice roll will be will be randomizing you a pack number But for the first one here There it is one two three four five six name on top after Four and a one five times. We'll get an extra spot a little buy one get one. Good luck one two three four and A one fifth and final time after five congrats to Zach after five times an Extra spot go on your way. We'll put a little rooftop there. So you know that that was your winning spot Now it's not over yet. Well, let's randomize you a pack number. Let's see what we get there Second dice roll. Let's randomize it three and a five eight times your names first one two three four five six Seven and eighth and final time after eight. We got Nicole down to Jake three and a five eight times for the pack numbers one two three four five six seven and eight After eight we've got pack one down to pack 16 All right, Nicole with pack one Nancy with three Steven with 11 John with seven Zach with 13 Anthony with 12 Jake with 10 Jeff with eight Abraham with nine James with five Abraham with 15 Chris with two Anthony with four Abraham with six Zach the pack that you won 14 and Jake Smith with pack 16 Now let's use the same dice roll three and a five eight times that we did for the names and the pack numbers And we're gonna see if we're gonna do this alphabetically or numerically after eight one two three four five six seven and eight We're gonna go numerically So Nicole you're gonna go first because you have pack one. Let's sort that by number there we are and Actually is anyone gonna trade probably not right?  If you're watching this replay you can fast-forward 15 to 30 seconds. I'm gonna print out the labels for these jasps basketball hit Packs Put that in title Monday the 27th. Let's print that out Yeah, no one's gonna trade these pack numbers TWC trade window officially closed all right Nicole pack one Good luck pack one is gonna have a kawaii Leonard lasting legacies Three color patch and autograph five out of ten Clippers edition this is from 2020 2021 NT basketball Nice start Chris pack two With a spot that you won in the filler and it is Rookie Zion Williamson 25 out of 99 from Panini one and one basketball Nice rookie there. This is It's just one to hold on to it. Obviously Zion's injury history is a little disappointing, but You know at one point People are saying the same thing about Joanne B and he's strong together some nice seasons now So hopefully that's what we're hoping for with Zion.  I missed your question Do I wish the Raiders have got to Lamar or still one with Jimmy G in a possible top pick? I think I'll have to be honest with myself James and say that the Raiders Were not a Lamar Jackson away You know from making to the playoffs and they're certainly not in position to be giving up picks either They need those picks. Otherwise Lamar's me running for his life For a number of years That's Scotty Barnes Anthony. Nice rookie eruption autograph That's my eruption right two out of five nice All aboard the Big Head Express Nice one Anthony. All right James. You're up next. Yeah, I mean I like the I like the idea of Lamar Jackson and Devonte Adams, but Raiders have so many other needs There's Jalen Green another obsidian one Jersey and autograph for James 23 out of 27 not bad at all. It's a sharp-looking card right there 23 out of 27 There you go, James with a spot that you won in the filler Abraham pack six. Oh It's a kaboom kaboom There's James Harden Sixers edition for Abraham. Nice from crown Royale Love these kabooms. Yeah. I mean any of these like rookie cards James. Yeah, it's a good idea. Hold on to him Keep seeing their development. All right, John With pack seven Look at this kid hitting home run. Who is this kid? Just says dodge your soul home run. They don't even have the name TV broadcast doesn't even have the name. They're not even ready for it Kevin Durant signature series from Donna's optic Basketball nice one John nice KD And now on to Jeffrey with pack eight another auto and it is significant signatures Shay Gilgis Alexander Nice from 1819 Donner's basketball Anything do you think the Clippers? Do the Clippers wish they would have redone that trade would they do that trade again? Maybe if they don't do that trade they never And Kawhi doesn't happen. I don't know. All right, there you go, Jeff All right on to the second half here pack nine for Abraham last spot mojo Oh, this is the logo man Abraham with the last spot mojo logo man Rui Hatchimura Two out of five Nice rookie logo man And out of fives and under get the train whistle All aboard the big hit express Yeah, who knows maybe so James If SGA never gets traded does Kawhi end up coming to the Lakers There is Patrick Williams rookie auto from flawless seven out of ten Bulls embarrassing my Lakers last night. I know it's not happy about that Dampening the Lakers playoff chances, especially if Nancy's pelicans are up 71 to 44 now. That doesn't help either All right, Jake. There you go, man. Nice flawless auto Patrick Williams Seem flat pack 11 graded card Feels like a like a slab here. Yeah, it is We have an SGC slab 10 10 Alan Iverson Nice from 21 22 recon basketball called to excellence auto Nine out of 35 We're talking about practice Nice one, Stephen With a spotty one and a filler too. All right, anthony pack 12 From 2000 2001 upper deck That's magic johnson His autograph right there nice That's awesome Magic johnson, uh, I think part of the group that's bidding for the Washington commanders Oh, that's luke williams Zach more pack 13 Kabooms are not one of ones. They're they're just uh, they're just short prints. They're not numbered one of one I think in that particular product goes one per case though All right, Zach We've got some radiant autograph. That's anthony edwards From spectra basketball three out of 25. That's from 21 22 spectra basketball Also experienced basketball It sounds like if you're just if you just saw if you just saw that kaboom Might be lagging behind a little bit make sure you're watching the live portion of the stream All right, Zach, this is with your extra spot that you won I will buy one get one Your extra spot is going to yield Is going to yield a stef curry autograph Seven out of 20 on card auto from absolute basketball He's pretty good nice level one auto Stef All right two more to go abraham and then jake abraham pack 15 Good luck To jersey and auto it is tyries haliburton rookie Jersey and autograph 93 out of 99 Sacramento kings Headed back to the playoffs and I think all of her kings fan. Oliver was saying 16 years or something like that that haliburton trade helping them get there All right, there you go aram. Thank you. All right last but definitely not least Jake with pack 16. Good luck. It's gonna be John Stockton From nt basketball treasured signatures two out of five There you go jake jake All aboard the big hit express And there you go ladies and gentlemen, thanks for watching. Thanks for breaking with us Keep an eye out for more hit packs on jasby's case breaks.com And you'll often see some hit packs a little more often on instagram live at jasby's breaks on instagram check both spots These are a lot of fun curated by us Just for you i'm joe. I'll see you next time for the next hit pack break. Bye. Bye


Okay. Here we go. We're going to get ready for the next talk, which was a bit of a miscommunication. There was talk about a DHS talk, and we forgot to say that was the DEF CON hackers of society, not the Department of Homeland Security. So the intention was the ‑‑ it was ‑‑ I'll take responsibility is my bad, but the announcement was sucked for the session. It was originally intended the secretary of DHS, who I've worked with in the past, who is a good guy, he's not evil. He wanted to come and talk about conversation, and I fireside chat and I had all my questions ready to grill them and poke fun and just have a good conversation about where things are going and where DHS is or isn't the appropriate place to help. Everything was great on Monday at the beginning of the week, and by the end of the week nothing is happening. That's how quickly things change. We spent weeks planning for it. There are multiple people that spent weeks planning for the secretary to be here, from security coordination to the agenda of every time he steps his foot and moves. Everything has to be coordinated in the Secret Service. If you get a secretary attending, you also get other people. So we had all the senior leadership from Cyber, Jen Easterly, Eric Goldstein, and it was really going to be a pretty impressive engagement at the beginning of the week. Did he get stuck at the border? Oh, spicy. We started, baby. So instead, we're going to do our version of the DHS, right? This is our... Are you going to ask us all the exact same questions? I'm going to... I should pretend to be the secretary. Yeah. I could pretend to be the... But then I have to be between two servers, between two goons. I am the secretary of DHS. Okay. So instead of trying to rearrange our schedule and move something forward or backwards, we're going to fill the time with our illustrious panel here. And since we didn't have a DEF CON 101, and we don't do DEF CON 101, this will be our DEF CON 102. And so now's your chance to leave. That's not what you were expecting. But that guy, he's like, boom, out of here. That guy knows what he wants and it's not us. As a concession prize, the secretary still wants to do the fireside chat. So we will do that. He's committed to doing that. And we'll end up having it at some point in the future, whether it's in person or at the next year. It'll happen. It just didn't happen this year. So sorry. Alrighty. I want to pass it over to this wild bunch of red-shirted rascals. Yeah. And now I'll kick this off with an old goon story for you. Man, this is really loud. I'm ringing. Okay. So DEF CON 6, my very first time at DEF CON. I'm gooning. And DT walks into the knock where we're all operating. He's like, hey, we have to fill an hour because the speaker just dropped out. Go fill an hour. So now we're just doing it. Nothing changes. Nothing changes after 20 something thousand years. So yeah. That's my start. So how do we do this one-on-one? I've never attended. Do you guys want to hear about one? Who knows about the fountains getting soaked or suds or whatever at the Alexis park? What about the concrete and the toilets? No, I'm going to tell them. I'm going to tell them. Rifter's gotten so spicy in his older age. I am. I don't know. This is when you get this old. You know, my old people, you just stop caring. All right. So it was a tradition at the Alexis park. It became a tradition to soak the fountains to create a ridiculous amount of suds and just have a good time. After several years of this, the staff obviously caught on. On Thursday, we're arriving for the show because it didn't start until Friday at that time. And all of the staff is around the fountain, right?  And we're like, yeah, that's pretty smart. That's a good idea. And then immediately ran down the street to the mini mart that was on the corner there, which by the way said that we drank more than any other group. That was the AP itself. The rest of the year. Yeah. Bought all of the dawn liquid detergent, ran back, filled up the ice bucket plastic bags, just gave them a little twist, right? And then it's the twist. I like how you're like the twist. That's the key. The twist is key because on impact, you know, it just comes, it comes apart nicely. But you don't want to knot it up. You want maximum dispersal of the gel there, the soap. And then so they had disappeared. The hotel staff disappeared. We're hucking bags of dawn liquid detergent into the fountains. And it was, it was our best year. It was massive. And there are pictures out there. If I would have known that we were doing this, I would have got the pictures. But there was foam everywhere.  And we walk by again and we're like, oh, they got it. Huh? They got you.  We're like. Now you know those are rookie numbers. You need to pump that up. I'm waiting to see it hit the Bellagio. I'd like to add to that that a couple years back when we came into this property, one of the, the Sock Boons mentioned that you know, you guys, you should, that fountain down there, it's going to get bubbled. And I'm like, no, it won't. It won't. It won't. Attendees don't do that anymore. And it's true. The attendees don't do it. Yeah, the other thing we used to do for funsies is we didn't do this. But so for years we were at the AP and they would be like, you need a giant liability thing. And we're like, why? And they're like, well, we have to replace the bathroom every year. And we're like, why? And they're like, well, somebody pours concrete in it. And we're like, really? So we actually literally bought three Vegas bathrooms over the years. Also, here's an even spicier story for you that probably no one, of course we're not allowed to have bean bags. Well, we also poured the concrete in the toilet. So that was a personal mistake. What Nikita's over here saying is this is why they're not allowed to have bean bags. I remember we had bean bags a couple years ago. So people were trying to steal the bean bags. And so they were like, how do I get rid of all of the foam inside the bean bags? Well, someone tried to flush it. Styrofoam. They tried to flush it in the bathroom. And guess where it overflowed? The head of season is up. The fountain. So I'm going to tell a horrific DEF CON story, but it's actually two. I'm going to do two first. So one, at the Alexis Park a couple years ago, you know, we were young, we were much less responsible than we are now. And someone drank a huge amount of alcohol and fell down the stairs and cracked their skull.  Well, it's a great, no, it's a great story. So she cracks her skull open and we're like, oh my God. So we have EMTs on site. We amble her out of there. They do a CAT scan and they find a tumor. And that's how they early caught her cancer. So DEF CON does save lives. It also fights crime. There was a hotel we were at for a number of years and we had been attending this hotel for a number of years and the accountants, they said to us, we don't want you back. Every year we come, you come here, we lose $10,000. We're in the black or we're in the whatever, the red. I don't do accounting, so I don't care. And we're like, that seems impossible. We drink more alcohol in a weekend than you sell in a year. Plus we fill every hotel room and we eat all your food. And they're like, yeah, but we lose money. And we're like, that seems odd. And there was a slight management change there. And the next year, they were like, we don't know what happened. You guys made us a ton of money this year. More than we ever made. And we're like, and someone from our staff just pointed out, your CFO has been embezzling all the money. And they're like, no, that's not possible. Did they legit investigate that? Wait for it. And then the statute of limitations on that case, you could prosecute them.  Have you noticed he drives a Maserati? And then he pushed that girl down the stairs? No. So for five years, a CFO at one of the hotels that we used to go to was embezzling massive amounts of money. It's actually in prison, right? Yeah, I think I was like, it was, well, man. I have one. Hey, I need audience participation on this. Yeah, I was going to say, what do you want to know about DEF CON? So how many years? I got this. Do you? All right, audience, who's heard of Shot the Noob? Wow, one guy. Has anyone heard of like shots on stage with new speakers? All right, there's a little bit more. So like, that's what we do, right? Anyone like to stand up and sort of describe how that works? What goes on? No? Okay, no. So what you normally hear, you may see it in tracks this weekend. So we have a little tradition here at DEF CON. New speakers get to do a shot on stage. It's totally voluntary. We ask them up front if they want to do it. And it's not a full shot, less than a full shot. But it's a long standing tradition or so we would love you to believe. So DEF CON 19, we had Whit Diffie speaking at DEF CON. And it was going to be Whit Diffie and Moxie Marlin Spike on a panel with DT. And we had to go pick up Whit Diffie at the airport. So three goons got in a car, pick up Whit Diffie at the airport, came back. Because he's a legend? Because he's a legend, but he'd never, at DEF CON 19, he had never spoken at DEF CON before. So in the car, I told him, well, we have a little bit of a tradition. You're not allowed to speak until you do a shot on stage. And Whit is all about that, by the way. Like, Whit literally is like, sounds great. Didn't think anything of it, right? We get back to the green room. Diffie meets DT. He meets Moxie Marlin Spike. We get him on the stage. And the DT goes into a long introduction about how we have the old crypto and new crypto meeting each other for the first time. And then he asks Moxie Marlin Spike a question. And Moxie answers the question. Then he asks another question and directs it to Whit Diffie. So we're solidly, and you can watch this on YouTube, we're solidly 8, 10 minutes into the talk and Whit hasn't said a word yet. So he gets to the first question and Whit says, well, I'm told I'm not allowed to speak unless I have a shot. At which point X bolts through the room because we've forgotten the shot. And gets the Scotch, brings it up, you can see it on video, puts it on the stage, Whit does the shot, and we go on. The Rest is History. Right. So that then expands over the period of years to become sort of a long-standing tradition where we allow new speakers to do a shot on stage. It got a little out of hands with us interrupting talks for a while. So we slowed that down and now we do it beforehand. Really? You can interrupt my talk anytime. We may do that. Yeah. That's going to happen. Okay. So I would like to know if anyone in the audience has DEF CON questions, I would like to have a Q and A here. We have a contest goon, we have speaker goons, we have a sock goon, we have long-time senior staff, old goons. So if you would like to know something about DEF CON or ask us a question, no matter what it is, let's have an AMA. Let's do this. What do you want to know? Does anyone have any questions? Oh, that's hard. Any question? If you have a question, stand up and speak really loudly. Okay. They want to be a goon. She's shooting her shot. How to be a goon? Yeah. So the way that people have become goons that I have experienced is they basically have been drafted. Either they've been around goons and something needed to happen and we just grabbed another body and that human just suddenly became a goon. There are teams that are looking for additional people. Usually, so for at least speaker operations, we do what's called probes. So it's one year where you come volunteer for like an hour or two, you're still a normal human, but you get to learn the ropes, you get to see if our team is right for you, get to learn what's up. We are happy to take probes.  We do that based on seniority and who's attending. I'm sure that other teams have some something, but I think it's very unique to the team. So what I can probably say the best is... Don't forget there's also a seven hour coding test and you have to do back flips and oh wait, no, we're not Google. We're real people. So there is like a variety of teams that are all very unique. So if there is a particular like area that you particularly like to hang out in, contests, vendors, if you want to do A&E, the arts and entertainment people, there's info booth, there's security or sock goons. Yeah, by all means. I would say also, and this is true for like career stuff as well, it's kind of one of those things where it's like if you want a job, you just start doing it. I think everybody, anybody done that before like at work where you're like, you know what, I'm like, I'm trying to get that promotion or I'm trying to get into that department. I'm just going to start doing that. Like go ahead and get that promotion. So I would say that it is that you're interested in joining and just be like, hey, how can I help? That's how that's how it worked for me. Like initially I was in the vendor area as a vendor and I just started helping the vendor goons out and they were like, hey, you should totally come goon with us. So if you just start doing it and then be like, I don't know where my red badge went. Has anybody seen my T-shirt? And then maybe they'll just put one on and say that one thing that I found is really helps people is to say, I can do this. Instead of saying, how can I help you? People have a very hard time directing others, especially new people that come into the mix. It's like, I have a hard time telling you what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what you can do. And so they tend to take it upon themselves on their shoulders more and just go with the flow. But if you say, hey, I can help you with this or I can help carry that or would you like me to stand here and while you do whatever? Offering what you can do in the conversation, especially if it's something you enjoy doing and that is very key, that will help you get in to becoming a goon much faster than saying, what do you want me to do? And I've seen that happen in so many cases. You just have to put yourself out there and do it. Or Nikita could just, you could deputize the whole crowd or something. I've done that. Wave your arm over them. Nikita will get you guys your shirts. My question is, what is it you're interested in? We've been up here talking. You tell us what you're interested in. Let's take that offline. Let's go to the next question. We're going to beat this dead horse. Go. Another question. We have a lot of pallets we need to move. So if you can run a pallet jack, yeah. Welcome to teamsters. I don't remember who did it, but one of the goons just tweeted out where they said, me thinking about being a goon, it was like, I'm going to get this insider track and this insider information. The reality is, this is my role of gaffer's tape. There are many like it, but this one is mine. That's what it really means. I was in the contest area taping down cables this morning. Dude, I've been doing this for 20 years, and they're still like, you can be around Monday to like health move 56 pallets. And I'm like, cheaper than the gym. All right. What's next? What do you got? Give us something. Who else has got a question? Yeah, what do you got, man? Welcome to DEF CON. Welcome. How to get the most out of DEF CON? You're doing it because you just participated. Yeah, the best thing is to just go do something. Like go into the village and sit down. Find something that you've never done before. So it's like, okay, this is weird and different. You know, I'm not going to get access to this equipment or these people or whatever just sitting at home. So let me just walk and literally, I know it's hard. By nature, I am an introvert as well. I have to like die. Yes. I go into a cave for like weeks after DEF CON and I just rock and forth. But one thing about DEF CON that I learned very early on was that just like walking up to people and saying like, hi, I'm so-and-so, what are you guys talking about? What are you guys working on? If you see somebody with like a cool thing, a badge or different thing, hey, what is that? How does that work? You just engage. People love, as you can see, talking about themselves. But yeah, just going up and saying, what is that thing? Can you show me how that works? And most people get pretty excited about whatever the project is that they're working on and we'll be happy to share it with them. One of the things that I want to add, one of the ways that I, like my first year at DEF CON, I went solo. I didn't know anyone here. And I ended up joining the Scavenger Hunt and they basically assigned me a team, which is a great way to meet people. Scavenger Hunt is great and still running this year. But what I look for when I'm trying to meet people is I look for people that are excited.  And even if you feel like you've never done any crypto stuff or something like that, don't worry about your experience. Get in, like people are almost universally happy to meet with other people who are interested in getting excited. And if you can just Google things, you can very well help with any of the challenges. A lot of them can be solved just with creative googling and finding the right thing. The badges, every single year for a while now, these have been an individual contest and they've got a bunch of things to explore. And one of the things that surprised me yesterday is there is a multi-player game. And what I didn't realize is it was multi-player at first. And what I really didn't realize is that it changed to a bunch of different people.  And they were playing a 16-player game of Simon Says with the badges. So just look for things that don't look right. People that are excited. Just go talk to them. Most people are friendly. I know it could be hard to put yourself out there, but it is one of the best ways to get things out of DEF CON. I would say join a contest. Scavenger Hunt. It's super fun. There's stuff on the list. Go check it out. Even if you just grab a couple other people and maybe try to do some of it. Even if you're not going out to win, you're going to miss it. It's still a really good time. Or if you want something that's a super low barrier to entry, the tin foil hat contest, go over there. Those are DEF CON veterans who have been around a really long time and they just wanted to do something simple and fun and they're really funny and nice to chat with. They're good people to meet as well.  You're going to miss more than you.  You see what I'm saying? Pace yourself, 3, 2, 1. Go see what you want to go see. There are ways to get the videos later. Just explore everything. It's a marathon and not a race. Stay hydrated. Get out of your comfort zone and take rest. Everyone wants to, it's super easy to sit in tracks and obviously I love to see people sit in tracks but pick the talks that you want to see but go over to contest, go over to villages, hang out at the bar, talk to people, go to chill out, talk to people. Jump in the pool. Those will be the experiences that you remember on your plane ride back. Your networking opportunities of what you're sitting in right now, far outweighs what you're going to learn in any track. I want everyone to turn to their left side. Do we have any sock questions? I convinced my friend to come up on stage here and I feel like some of us are talking more. Do we have any sock questions? Can I ask them? No. Do you guys still carry truncheons? We got one right here. Welcome. Best friends. Do you want to talk about working in a CEO, man? Okay, we should wrap, dude. Isn't that Cisco Kool-Aid delicious? Love it. And incredibly boring.  Do you want to learn how to be more of a criminal? Curiosity. That was it. It's all curiosity. If you take something apart, when you look at the definition of the word hacker from what it comes from, it has nothing to do with computers. When I do a presentation for work, I have everybody in the crowd and I've got a lot of corporate guy who's running around. And I ask them, have you ever changed a recipe on something that you don't like black beans or you hate sour cream so you didn't put it in? You use cream cheese? Welcome to the hacker community because you just hack something and it's that simple. So you get curious about it and you go into it. Yeah, I mean, I agree. I would say, you know, also just, I mean, for me, conferences and like being at places like this, as you're walking around talking to people, you'll start to pick up whatever like the new thing is, right? Like the new technology or the thing that all the hackers are starting to get excited about. And when you hear those things over and over again, then it's like, oh, this is going to be big or this is going to be interesting. And 20 years ago, that was like Wi-Fi, right? Like people were like, oh man, oh, this is crazy. Look, they're going to hook their networks up and just blast all the packets out into the parking lot. But initially it was like a couple of people in hallways and stuff being like, oh, yeah, they're doing this with the radios and blah, blah, blah. And everybody chuckles when I say Wi-Fi because obviously it's such a basic part of our lives now. But that was something that hackers were talking about in the hallways and in the single digit DEFCON days, right? Or RFID, NFC, like things where people were like, oh, yeah, like you just tap your freaking card on stuff and that stuff was being talked about in the halls of DEFCON long before it was being used by everybody, everyone has it in their pocket, right? So pay attention for things like that. When you hear other people getting excited about a certain type of tech or saying like, check out this thing and then you start to hear it repeated throughout the conference or you hear a speaker mention it from the stage and then somebody in the vendor area has some little hacked together kit or whatever, like grab that thing and then latch on and it could potentially be like a huge game changing, like career thing. So let me add one other thing about talks and tracks. A lot of times you're going to be listening to a very technical talk and especially if you're new you may not get everything but what you're getting is context, right? You'll pick up a little bit and each time you hear another talk about that you get a little bit more. So don't get frustrated keep laying in, keep learning and as you start to pick up pieces you'll start to get a greater depth of knowledge and understand a little bit more of each of it so stick with it. It may take five or six times. Think like a criminal.  So one of the things that's different now is that you know, the man. Anyway, but yeah I think one of the things to look at is how you can exploit stuff for your gain because that is often how you can see how criminality works and most people don't think about it that way. They think about how it's supposed to work. How is it not supposed to work? But it works for me. My benefit. Yes. What I want. My desires. Yes. I think a big thing there too is that there's a, we have a serious issue with imposter syndrome like in our community where people think that the thing that they discovered that if they discovered it it must not be that hard to figure out.  If it's interesting to you or you find a new way of doing something don't second guess yourself to say oh well if I did that you know how often you hear people say well if I can do it so could you.  Don't doubt yourself. Clearly I'm the biggest moron in this room so if I could figure it out you can. Put the thing that you found out there. Tweet it out. Whatever the thing is that you discovered put it out into the world because it might be the thing that one sparks either excitement and entertainment in somebody or it could be the thing that potentially keeps them from like you know at least in an information security standpoint like keeps them from ending up on the news right? You're like oh I found this IOC and you're like well if I found it somebody else must have found that as well just put it out there. As someone who processes all the talks we look for stepping stone talks. We look for talks where it's like yeah this is cool we enjoy this but I feel like somebody else can take what this person has done and keep moving forward with it and that's what we kind of refer to as like a stepping stone. This will help someone else get farther in their goal and yeah so even if you think oh this is small this is impractical only a small subsection of people would be interested in this thing share it anyways because if you do it for the grand we had a question this year on the forum that said why DEF CON? Why are you submitting this talk to DEF CON? And what inspired you to give this talk? I cannot tell you how many people said because this guy gave this talk last year and I took that research and I expanded it and I went further with it and this is what I got check this shit out and we love that so don't ever hold yourself back no matter how small something is it's a conversation we're a community that's true of other conferences as well don't sell the people's stuff to the DEF CON talk if there is a lot of other security conferences that happen and if you see a talk that is particularly interesting to you and you think you can add to it try you don't even have to give a talk if you don't want to just play around with what people put out there on the talks one of the things that's personally frustrating with me is there's a lot of talks universally across all kinds of security things that they will just dump a python script and their PDF of their slides and that script that code is never maintained it's never updated it's never made usable so there's a lot of tools and stuff that if you just spend some time bringing some tools to port them from python 2 to python 3 or something and give a talk about your adventures going through other security professionals code that would be fun and interesting for me I can't, I'm not on the CFP board I can't promise any things but that sounds like it would be a fun talk to me more questions you guys need to row shambles fight that guy standing up asserted your dominance I respect it oh my god are you just going to say while I'm talking or what's going on here actually I'm doing the speaker goon in the room whose job it is to carry the stuff around brings it quickly so they created a bingo card and he's trying to get to bingo quicker than his buddy who's also here for the first time by coming and doing a shot on stage so you guys have context is there alcohol present is there a bar we will find it who else had a question I would just ring out for a little while something might show up see it's already on its way you can ask your question this is happening oh look at this this is the participation we're looking for or he's got a gun oh wow and it's good we're prepped oh wow this is the kind of preparation we look for have you thought about becoming a goon sir see that's how that happened see that's how the soul works out wow this guy are you doing the shot with him I don't drink so it's not me he needs to be on stage I don't drink I stopped drinking 20 years ago here you go you can do a shot with us I'm going to hit the hard stuff do you want to be my stand in alright come do it wear my badge for a bit he's going to run off with the badge someone take a picture of him wearing my badge and be like look at grifter doing shots on stage okay if you drink it too soon you'll die we got to time it don't drink it yet I asked on the forums they don't target me keep on they said bring booze here you go I'm speeding the adults on shift I'm not working I tell you what if somebody wants to do it in my stead hey I don't drink I haven't drank in a long time except chocolate milk you've been here the longest we're good we're good I can't drink I'm on shift I'm so responsible there you do somebody's going to be designated gotta keep you safe to DEF CON welcome to DEF CON good job grifter you killed that last time goon alright next question right here that's you he's asked what's happening can I take this one? I was just repeating it for the audience he's been around since DEF CON 7 he was a very much a prevalent thing in the early DEF CON years he's asking what happened to spot the fed so everyone's a fed now I mean yeah so my first DEF CON I literally was on stage and I was like that guy's a fed and he was yeah it's just become a lot easier I mean they're everywhere and so it just became kind of not as common very specific definition so for those of you who may or may not be federal contractors or employees in the audience a fed here is badge, gun, power to arrest right duty to report if you are a federal contractor even if you work for a three-letter agency you're a government government officer you're not a fed here a gun, power to arrest the other sort of side of spot the fed is in probably like the last 10 years at the very least spot the fed is one of the events that we've held when we lost a speaker so if a talk was not running so like for example this hour we would spontaneously go grab like priests and a few other sock goons put them on stage and be just like doing spot the fed go this particular talk this group of people was arranged about five to ten minutes before the actual talk as you can probably tell well planned there are still shirts I just asked Nikita, are there shirts so they're still out there so if you genuinely think that somebody and it shouldn't just be like oh this is my buddy from work this is somebody who is like trying to to put it in perspective it's like shooting fish in a barrel here I want you to bring me a marlin I don't want just any fed who's a fed in here anybody willing to admit it no then there's at least then we know at least some of you really are and you're full of shit so now we know find them alright you had a question there first step are you a speaker the question is now that we're doing a hybrid model because of covid what will the model look like going forward I think that's probably a Nikita question wait you want me to answer no no I hope my intention one of my goals to be is that I can streamline things so that we can get these talks out to everyone who can't make it I can't tell you how many times I've had an accepted speaker be denied entry into the United States to give their talk that's never gonna happen at DEF CON ever again like I'm mad about it you guys with a speaker can't get here we're gonna stream their talk as far as having the talks available I'm gonna make sure that happens too we have the capability now that we can take what happens live on stage and push it out to the internet live so if you're home and you can't make it you can see that I want to expand things for discord but we also have to understand that's two conferences at once and while it was something we've adapted to now I cannot promise it's gonna be as active as it was last year or this year but we will always still have that component open and there's no doubt in my mind that we're gonna still have that discord open all year round because the community needs a place to go they need a place to talk and share ideas and interact with each other that is unique to just DEF CON and one other thing that I've noticed that started to improve is other villages and contests they are building their own discords blue team village has one I can't even think of all of them they have their own they have their own now so if you're really into a certain thing go check it out on discord and see how you can do that all year round build that community we're a tribe of tribes so I don't see it ending but it's not gonna be like 100% so the other thing is 2020 sucked but it also forced everybody to grow in new and exciting ways we would never have figured out how to push all this stuff online as much as we have so that's actually helped us grow in a lot of ways and that's kind of cool so we're gonna take the good stuff but I would I like getting together with 30,000 people of my closest friends every year so hopefully we can get to that stage soon one more question right here he's in the center yeah well before you ask your question real quick can I get a show of hands who is here for the first time at DEF CON hell yeah welcome to DEF CON you're the bravest what's your question man oh oh where was that question when we were fucking being dumb and shit in the first 10 minutes are there stories or legends of DEF CON past that the mass media missed who is the reporter so here's kind of a funny story the press sometimes can be overly aggressive in their coverage and try to build a story to their own liking but DEF CON has a lot of friends out there and so many years ago we had a very aggressive reporter decide to come to DEF CON and basically try to do some gotcha journalism the hilarity of this was that DEF CON got them first before they even stepped on property we had track of the story when they were on property we didn't we had a surveillance team on them and we knew exactly what they were doing through the entire experience it did not turn out the way the reporter would have liked being don't be mean it's not cool so we do have a dedicated press team there are goons that are dedicated for interacting there is the press that show up they are supposed to get a special press badge they follow certain rules and code of conduct but there are there have been cases in the past like what X mentioned remember the French dudes yeah we don't have time we gotta wrap this up I have a story for you we are also very selective we do not let in local press because all they do is get on the local TV channels and say a whole bunch of hackers and try to fud we don't tolerate that so we don't advertise to local press we don't let them in and the press department in case anybody wants to contact them is very selective and they are very strict on the rules so if you ever see any of them taking crowd shots or anything like that you need to tell a goon because that is 100% not allowed and they won't try to get away with it if you are not careful yeah see me afterward I got a great story about some French guys yeah but this is not the French guys the French guys are even better thank you for coming and listening she's never been the same after that by the way and thank you to Nikita for all the work she puts into DEF CON and now running two conferences at once love you Nikita