Okay, then I will call the April 16th, 2018 select board meeting to order and invite you to rise and join me in the pledge, please. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. I'd like to welcome everyone to tonight's select board meeting and just remind those who perhaps hadn't signed in yet to make sure you do before you leave. We need that for the minutes. And if you could turn your cell phones either off or at least to silent, we would greatly appreciate that as well so it doesn't disturb the meeting. So our next thing is agenda additions and changes, Greg or Evan? One change under the first class liquor licenses, item 6A, T-Rex Productions is actually a first time application not a renewal, so we can move them to a separate item for first class liquor license approvals and then there are two sets of minutes from Irene, March 24th and April 2nd, 2018 for comments to the minutes. And you had mentioned that we are looking to put VNA, a discussion with visiting nurses up a little. Yeah, if we could put the VNA, just swap C and D. Is that okay with the board? Okay. All right, so we have swapping business items 6C and D. We have the minutes printed out from Irene and we have the update of the T-Rex being a first time, first class liquor application. So I have a motion to approve the amended agenda. Thank you. Thank you, Irene. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you. Any further discussion about amending the agenda? Okay. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, motion passes 5-0. Thank you very much. Okay, now we're on to item 4, which is public to be heard. This is a time for the public to speak to the select board on any items that are not on the agenda tonight. Is there anyone here wishing to speak during public to be heard? Martha, if you could state your name for the record, please. I'm Martha Heath and I chair the Essex Westford School District Board. Should I dive in? Sure. Yeah. Let us know what's on your mind. All right. I'm here this evening because on Tuesday voters within the village of Essex Junction received a ballot containing the name of Liz Subin for a school board seat. And that was an error. I think the board understands why the error was made, how school votes are warned and how municipal votes are earned in the village in the town are different. Mostly I would like to read into the record the reasons why we believe this won't happen again. Okay. Last year we worked with our area legislators to try to get the statute changed so that the school board in Unified Union School Districts could warn the elections of its members. A lot passed, but after the session was over, an error was discovered in the drafting of legislation. So we were advised by legal counsel both in-house and outside legal counsel that the municipalities would have to mourn the election of our school directors this year. We are working with our delegation again, specifically Dylan Giambattista, who is a member of the House Education Committee. The right legislation properly drafted is in S-257. It's section 8 of S-257. That bill has passed the Senate. It is in the House for consideration. And we have every reason to believe it will be signed into law. I think to be clear, the articles of association, the articles of agreement that established the school district are very clear that there needs to be proportional representation between the town outside the village, the town inside the village, and Westford for the positions of school directors. So if for some reason that legislation shouldn't pass, then we will certainly work very carefully with the town office. We're sorry we didn't ask to see the ballots this time and had it up, but given that there were no contests for the school director positions, we don't feel there was harm this year. And I think Liz Subin, who is here, understands that she is representing, if you will, that town outside the village in her position. Okay. Thank you, Martha, for coming in to explain that. And I hope things do pass in the legislature and can correct the error. So sure. Thank you. Congratulations, Liz. I'm winning. And it was uncontested, right? It was just you. There was nobody running against you. I received a lot of votes, so I don't think there's anything to say. Yes. Congratulations. So thank you again, Martha. I appreciate that. Anyone else wishing to speak during public to be heard? Okay. I just have something I wanted to share that on April 4th, I was contacted by Local 22 News for an interview regarding Vermont Systems Incorporated. They recently got a multi-million dollar grant from the military to do some work on recreation software for many bases. So it was a big deal. Anyway, I gave them a quick interview. I don't know if anybody saw it. It was a five-second one. Okay. Anybody else? I've been going to a couple of local community events and as a select board member, I can't take that hat off. So I went to the dedication of the Habitat for Humanity Houses on Park Street recently. Since then, I've also gone to a listening session hosted by the VLCT. And most recently, yesterday, I went to a seminar on providing sanctuary. So I've been out and about. Thank you for sharing that. Appreciate it, right? Okay. If there's nobody else to be heard, then we're going to move on to item five, which is a public hearing on the proposed changes in the FYE 2019 water and sewer rates. Aaron and Dennis, thank you. So I will, you know, open the public hearing for that. Do you want to just give an update or an overview? We'll see if anyone has questions. You have a long meeting, so it's probably better if I don't. Yeah. But just, there was a question at the last meeting that you had when we presented the budget about the minimum water use to be. Right. And what rate to charge. Provide a memo to the board members on that. The intent would be for the board hopefully to provide us some guidance with very much light to after the public hearing today. Probably have to wait for the May meeting to actually set the rate. But if we knew that, we could change the documents between now and then or leave them as they are between now and then. That's up to the board. Okay. Any questions from the board on that? Remember the discussion about the minimum usage rate and it's been flat for how many years? Four or five? Four or five. Four, I think. I would just like to ask whether it would be the board's pleasure to discuss the minimum rate and because it has been flat for four or five years and the average user rate for non-minimum users is going up by $11. I just want to know what the board thinks about the possibility of increasing the minimum charge $5 or $10 as outlined in the memo from Dennis and Aaron. Yeah. What's your thought on that? Anybody? Any? Can I ask a clarifying question? Is it the minimum, is it an annual minimum or a biannual minimum? Is it an annual minimum? So it's the entire year? Yes. I mean it's billed twice a year but it's an annual minimum. Make sure the question was whether. Whether $5 means $5 or whether it means $10. We applied the annual rate but it is measured against each six months usage right now so that somebody could fall into a different category between one billing per day and another but it applies to the annual. Would it make sense to consider attaching the water rate increase or whatever it is for the year to the minimum usage rate as a percent increase?  I think from a predictability standpoint that would be appreciated by ratepayers. Which one? Have it tied to that? Have it tied so that they know that it's not going to go up $10 but it might go up a buck or two annually as opposed to a sudden jump after a long period of having been done. Anybody else thoughts on that? Does that sound reasonable? Mike. So it's been flat for the last five years but we're proposing an increase now. So I mean were there market conditions that caused that or was there anything out of the ordinary that caused that jump? No, I think what happened was in going back four or five years I think the minimums kind of changed almost every year before that as we got up to a point. And then I think the board at that time looked at that minimum charge relative to what people were paying overall and that they felt that at that point in time we start to look at where our rates were and it's in our report. They were increasing pretty steadily upward almost every year for a lot of valid reasons. They seem to have leveled off and we hope they stay at this or hope is to keep them at this general level going to the future. I just think that you reach a point where you want to have some balance between what the ratepayers are paying and what is being paid at the minimum level. And my view is it's something that the way we present it and the way the board should approach it is to look at it each year we come in for a rate increase. Where should it be? I'm not sure it should be tagged to a particular number but that's up to you. I don't have an oar in that water. It's just that I think that it is something that needs to be considered because in some cases it's small businesses which we're trying to encourage. In some cases it's people who are living a fixed income which have a limit in terms of their ability to pay. So I think that has to, and I think that's one of the reasons why it was kept low for a number of years was trying to accommodate that level. But at some point in time, and that's why I tried to present the percentages and where they kind of fell against time. At some point in time the minimums tend to get out of whack compared to what the normal or regular rate payer is paying because they do get fire protection and other protection along the way. And it may be the village has a different system of billing that's based upon a different way to set rates and we've talked about this in the past. And again this may be something that as we talk about moving closer together we may want to look at how we do set rates and what's appropriate. One of the issues we've talked about in the past and I don't want to go into too deep is the idea of a fixed portion of the fee. And that has some merit because a lot of our costs are fixed. It helps to stabilize rates because as water use goes up and down it's not, our revenue isn't floating all over. And in some kind of a stabilized rate structure you might be able to base that back to what is the minimum that should be paid for things like fire protection I think. We've really done that kind of an analysis and it's probably worth doing in a broader context and I'm not sure that we're prepared to do it this year. But I guess the reason why we presented with some ranges is both Aaron and I felt it probably was a good year to make a change without actually trying to indicate what that change may be.  I think that if the average user which is a 200 gallon per day user, if their increase is on the order of $11 that the increase for the minimum shouldn't be on the same dollar magnitude value. And that it should probably be on the order of half of that so I would be in favor of the $5 increase. For the year. For the year. Okay. Is that reasonable? And I would prefer a set dollar amount increase also. I don't know if it's any easier on your end but when people say to you, hey, I'm going to Florida for the next eight months, what's my minimum? Just for you to be able to quote them in number. I just think that's neater and tidier than ratcheting it up a partial percent and then you have dollars and cents to deal with in the future. I really like round numbers. So that would be something that would happen if you reconfigured the billing later. Like that's not something that happens now, right? If it's the board's pleasure to raise it to $5, then we would readjust our public relations information we put out for your next meeting, which does not have to be a public hearing. In fact, there really isn't a public hearing that's required on the water ordinance rates at all. But the board is elected to do that so the public was informed and it's a good idea. So it would be very simple to go back and just adjust that recommendation that the board would make that what that new minimum charge would be and put that out on the web page and put it out for information for people. So again, it's out there and then come up the next meeting and hopefully the board would vote on it and set the rates in place. So we're talking about going from 165 to 170 then, right? Everybody good with that? Yes. All right. Any other questions on this? If not, I'll open it up to the public. If there's any questions on the water and sewer rate budget, none, then entertain a motion to close the public hearing. Who did that? Second. Okay. Do I have a second? All right. Any further discussion about closing the public hearing on the water and sewer rate? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Motion passes 5-0. Thank you very much. All right. And we'll take action hopefully at the next meeting. Maybe we'll get the sun out then and no snow. Yeah, maybe. We can hope. Okay. Thank you gentlemen. Okay. Now we're moving on to business items number six. And what we have first are first class liquor licenses. Two are renewals. We have Verdas and Vespa and we have one new one, which is T-Rex. Verdas we had here just a few weeks ago. So we told them that they didn't need to come back. And this T-Rex, a rep from T-Rex here. I see Peter. Hello, Peter. And somebody from Vespa. Excellent. Okay. So what we'll do is I'll put it up to questions from the board or comments about the applications before us from the board. Any issues, concerns? Andy. Yeah, a couple of questions. It's on the Verdas on the agenda. It says with outside consumption permit, but there was no outside consumption permit included in the package. Okay. Their outside consumption permit had been approved recently as part of the 2017, their 2017 application, but they hadn't submitted payment yet. So our clerk checked with the Department of Liquor Control that permit will still be applicable in this case. And they'll look at the payment and to process it for 2018. So when we approve tonight, do we need to reference that, I would say, consumption permit also? Since you're approving that permit again, I would, yeah. Okay. In the T-Rex application in the description of the premises, it includes, it says, in words, and possible outdoor areas, but there's no outside consumption. I just want to make sure that it's recognized that without an outside consumption permit, those words in the description don't allow you to do that. So. That's accurate. Yeah. That's accurate. Future. Okay. Great. Okay. Any other concerns or questions on this? Police said that they were fine. Okay. So I would entertain, I guess we have to do a couple of motions. Annie. I move that the select board approve liquor, first class liquor license renewals for birdies to LLC doing business as birdies with outside consumption permit. And VESPA Foods Incorporating doing business as VESPA's pizza, pasta, and deli with outside consumption permit. Thank you. And so those are the two renewals. We have a motion. Do we have a second on that? Second. Thank you. Irene, any further discussion on approving the first class liquor license renewals for birdies and VESPA's? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Motion passes 5-0. If you could just wait gentlemen until we're done. We have to do the usual admonition, but I like to do it just once. So entertain a motion for the new application. Andy. I move that the select board approve a new first class liquor license for T-Rex Productions doing business as, oh sorry, T-Rex Productions LLC doing business as double E. Okay. Thank you, Andy. Do I have a second on that? Second. Thank you. Any further discussion on approving the first class liquor license application for T-Rex? Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Motion passes 5-0 and the usual admonition from the select board is that we take the issuance of liquor licenses very seriously as should the area establishments who serve liquor. And we expect you not to serve minors nor anyone who is obviously inebriated. And we do really appreciate you doing business in Essex very much and we want you, we hope you have a wonderful and successful year. So thank you. And Peter, since yours is a new one, what we like to offer, if you'd like, is to come up here and maybe explain, tell us about your business, you know, when it's going to open, maybe the hours or anything you'd like. It's up to you. It's channel 17 is. Okay. Please come on up. Here's the board. Appreciate it. How are you? Very well. Good. Good friends. What's your name? Peter Edelman. So I'm here. I guess I'll give you a little more of a bigger picture. Let us know about it. We're on the news today. We're going to be on all channels today and the papers and all that. And basically what I'm doing is looking to energize the outlet center. And bring community, music, art, dining to the entire center. So there'll be a lot of changes.  I'm sure there's plenty more of that. Okay. One of the first steps in doing that was to look at the movie theater, which has a bar and which has a lounge and has a restaurant. And we had activated that years ago and hadn't done a very good job of operating it. And rather than have a product on the market that I wasn't proud of and that it didn't like the way it was running, it didn't have the style that I really was hoping for, decided to close it and wait until that time that we could find, I could find a good operator both for the food and for the bar. And so long story short, that has led to a change in everything that I'm doing out there. But part of that is taking the theater, taking the TRX movie theater, which is our large one. It's the largest in the state. We have 400 seats in there. And it does a great job for blockbuster movies. And people love it for that. And it'll continue doing that, but it also provided an opportunity to, what I felt was an opportunity to program it for music and live performances. So I've been fortunate enough to tie up with some very interesting characters who know a lot of interesting characters and bring them all to Essex. And I think it's going to really be a start to energize this. So I'll take a moment to really give a plug for what we're doing. And we'll have our first concert on May 16th in the TRX. And we've now also put in software to allow us to do online ticketing and seating very much as if you went to the Flynn Theater. So we'll have a section that will be a seated section for music and theater, and a section where you can be seated and or dance. And that's something new in all of the market. You can't do it at the Flynn, you can't do it at higher ground. You can do one or the other, you can't do both. So we'll be able to do both. I've been, I brought in Kevin Stateser who is actually on this liquor. He took the seminar, I've taken it, I have to take it again. Mine's expired. Every two years, I forgot that, but I have to do it too. He got 100 on his and he's been at the higher ground for 20 years and operating and he's had zero recurrences of not paying attention. And so, you know, we're proud of that. And Kevin is just known in the music industry as, he's an icon. Every musician in Vermont would lay down for him because he's just, he's great. So Kevin and I and Eric Kovall and coincidentally, Eric's dad had a shop in the center when I had it 25 years ago. We tied up to form T-Rex Productions. And as part of that, we're taking the restaurant lounge in the front and we'll be activating that as also a restaurant and a bar and bringing in local musicians for small acoustic sets or larger sets. Maybe taking the small theater to do some acoustic music in there and or a common night or other things so that we have, we really have something new and special for the market. Very excited about it. For the food operation, we want to, I want to bring in somebody that also had a cachet and had their own vibe and most everybody I talked in, we're thinking what's easy in the theater, what's easy to also ultimately take outside and inside and wouldn't make a mess with the seats and the floors. And tacos is one of the things that really came up roundly and looking at who does the best taco in Vermont, there's opinions for everybody. I felt it was a mad taco out of Waitesfield and Montpelier. They're fantastic. They're great operators. They know what they're doing and so they're going to be doing, they're very happy to announce they're going to be doing our food in there. And that will be part of a bigger picture which I'll talk to you about in the future as well in the near future. So as the first part of energizing the center, that's what this is about. Very exciting. I'm very excited. It's very cool. We wish you the best of luck and thanks for sharing that with us. Anything else to go about it? Good luck. Yeah, good luck on that Peter. Okay. And those who are in for the liquor license, you're welcome to stay for the meeting or you're welcome to take your leisure. So thank you. Okay. We're going to move on to our next. Oh, yes. I wanted to discuss policy about first-class liquor licenses. We had, yeah, why don't you go ahead? So we had a brief discussion about a particular liquor license case that's going to come before you about two weeks. They had a hearing before the state. And we were looking for some language as to first-class liquor licenses and why, if it's required by law to have first-class liquor licenses actually attend this meeting, the hearing. And there is actually no law that states that. So in the future, if you would like to have a conversation as to maybe, if you want to continue that practice or maybe in the, you know, obviously new liquor license applications you would want to have that. But if they have no violations, not have them come out if they don't want to and then look at that process. So before we did that, we just wanted to see if you were open to that discussion. Okay. Great. So we'll add that to a future agenda. Thank you. I appreciate that. And now we're going to move on to item 6B, which are, we have interviews for the Conservation and Trails Committee. And I know Paula is here. And do we have Hillary? Hello, Hillary. So there's only one opening on the Conservation and Trails Committee. And we have two people tonight. So as is our practice, what we'll do is we'll invite the first person up on the list, which would be Paula. And Hillary, if you wouldn't mind just waiting in the foyer until Paula is down and then we'll bring you in so that you don't have an advantage by listening to the ones before you. So thank you for your cooperation on that. So yes, come on up Paula. First, thank you for stepping forward to be willing to interview for this position. And so we welcome you. What we'd like to do is just give us a little bit of your background, if you would, about who is Paula DeMichael. And what your, what's your reason is for wanting to be appointed to the Conservation and Trails Committee. You want to start with my work or I'll be back to graduate school. Well, whatever you think is relevant that we should know. Okay, I did a lot of work in nonprofit development and fundraising in Baltimore and Ohio. I moved to Vermont in 2006. I said that in the other meeting. And I started going to meetings in 2013, connected with Heart and Soul of Essex. And I started getting invited to do things, invited to go to the Planning Commission meetings, invited into TGIA. And now what this happened, because I went up to talk to Darren about affordable housing, and at the end of that conversation, he invited me to do this. So, but I had gone to conservation meetings previously. And last year I went to a couple and I was in cleanup day. And Sunday will be my third cleanup day. And earlier than that, back when I was in the village, I met Warren Spinner and Nick Meyer, and I got into being one of the first people on the Tree Advisory Committee in the village. That was a year and a half term, and then I moved to the town, and then that stopped. This is, I grew up in a rural county in northeast Ohio on Lake Erie. I had farmers in my family. And the land and how the land is taken care of and all of that type of thing was always a concern with me. And I also, when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s, had to watch Lake Erie die. And I had a relative in the family by marriage who was one of the fishermen on the lake, and they all had to close down their businesses. So this was something that was always very much in my mind as I went on. And I lived in other places where there were other kinds of pollution, but the water pollution is serious. I went back to Ohio in 2000. I found that there was a group called the Ashtabula River Partnership that was, had been working for years to get the river dredged. And there were all kinds of pollutants in the river, including radium nucleides, I think they're called. And I got involved in that as a citizen volunteer. So this has evolved over the years. And I don't remember whether I got invited to the cleanup day the first time or what happened, but somehow I got to the cleanup day. And so this will be my third one. I'll open it up to questions from the board for Paul on. Anybody? Is that a meeting or? Are you going to say something? Me? Yeah. No. Oh. No. I'm fine. Go ahead. Just a question, question. Are you a user of the trails? I'm sorry? Are you a user of the trails in Indian Brook? Only in Indian Brook. Not that I don't want to do the others, but it's not something I can easily get to. Any other questions? When does the committee meet? Second Tuesday of each month, and I think they just changed their time to 6.30 as opposed to 7. So slightly earlier. And they meet here? They meet here. Okay. And that works for you? That won't work, yeah. Okay. There's no other questions. Since there are two, for the one position, we'll, at the end, near the end of the meeting, we'll go into executive session and have a discussion. Then we'll come out and make a decision. And then somebody from the manager's office will contact you tomorrow on the result. So thank you once again, Paula, for being willing to step forward and be on this committee. Thank you. And Greg's getting the other. Okay. Thank you, Greg. Hello, Hillary. Welcome. First, again, thank you for being willing to want to volunteer on the Conservation Trails Committee. So thank you for that. If you could give us a little bit of background about who Hillary is and what your interest is on being appointed to the Conservation Trails Committee, we'd love to hear about that. So I grew up in South Hero, and then I moved to Essex in 2013. I actually went to Essex High School and then moved away and came back. So I just want to get more involved in the community generally. I was actually on the ad hoc committee governance with Elaine and Mike. So that fizzled out or that was put on pause when there was a lot of other moving parts in the town. I'm going to say fizzled out is not exactly the word that I was hoping to hear. So that didn't pan out properly. So I have a young family. I've got two young daughters, and the Trails and Conservation Committee is kind of, first of all, it's kind of more in my wheelhouse, more of an interest. We as a young family use the trails all the time. We live in Pinewood Manor, so there's a trail that connects from the back of that neighborhood up to the Lang Farm neighborhood, and we've walked up there and gone to dinner at the Tavern or gotten a creamy at Sweet Clover. So I just think it's an awesome resource for Essex residents to be able to walk places and not strap their kids into their car seats, which is my least favorite thing to do. So I just think it's a really important part for a community like Essex that has such rural areas with an urban development center. And as you're looking to grow that urban development center in just any way that you can connect neighborhoods and encourage people to come to that town center is just a benefit to everyone. So professionally, I'm a geotechnical engineer, which is a subset of civil engineering. So we do soil testing and foundation design, like slope stability analysis. So I guess just professionally, it would be interesting for me to learn more about development in the town and conservation of green spaces and just how all of that kind of comes together. Obviously development is important for me professionally, but as an engineer, it's also vital to maintain that balance of conservation and development. Great, okay. Thank you for that. I'll open up the questions from the board for Hillary. Does anybody have any? Anyone? Okay, so I understand that these are one Tuesday a month. Is it the first Tuesday, you said? Second Tuesday of the month, 6.30 p.m. in this room. Does that timing works okay for you? Yeah, it's fine. And then it will be a full compliment then on that committee, I believe, when we get the next seat filled. Okay, if there's no other questions, then I'll just tell you what the next steps are that at the end of tonight's meeting, we're going to go into executive session because there's two candidates for the one opening, and we'll have a discussion. The board will have a discussion, then we'll come out of executive session, make a decision, and once somebody from the manager's office will contact you tomorrow. So, thank you so much. I really appreciate you stepping forward like that. Good to see you. Have a good night. Okay, we're going to move on to business item, the discussion with visiting nurse association of Chittenden and Grand Isle counties because we swap C and D, so I'll invite Judy Peterson up to the table. So welcome and thank you for coming in. I know that we had asked you to come in. Yes. You're on the human service list for donations from that 1% that the good people of Essex had requested that we give out every year to causes such as B&A, and B&A is certainly one of our largest recipients, so that's why we really wanted to have you come in so we have a chance to talk to you and hear about what you're doing. Great, good. And the two documents that I was passing around, one is just the care report for Essex to show you the care that B&A provided in Essex. And you probably got this in the mail, but I just wanted to make sure everybody had a copy of it. And then the other is to use as a show and tell for explaining about the affiliation that the B&A did in January. But so, I don't know if you'd like me to start explaining, talking about that, or if you would... Well, just a high level would be good. And the services you provide, and I know we have the numbers, you maybe can... Sure, sure. So the B&A is a not-for-profit organization. We have a board of directors. Jim Reardon is a member from Essex. He's on our board. And we do provide the full menu of skilled care, home care services. And we bill Medicare and Medicaid and all the commercial insurances, Blue Cross, SIGNA, and all of that. But there are always people who either don't have insurance or they have a very high deductible that they can't meet. Or it's Medicaid reimbursement. And Medicaid does not pay the full boat of what it actually costs to provide the care. So that's why we always end up with a deficit for the care that we've provided.  We go to all towns that we serve. And so the remaining balance for Essex is that 114,538. So we're asking this year for the contribution of 53572, about half of that. And that's our goal for each town that we request money out. 50% coverage. So that's just kind of a high-level overview. And just to say also, we do care from prenatal through end of life. So it could be a mother who's pregnant, who's having a difficult pregnancy, a complicated medical pregnancy. It can be somebody, a child born with problems that the VNA is in to help prepare that child for surgery or work with the parents on growth and development. It could also be anyone of us if we'd had a car accident, a hip replacement, a stroke, a heart attack, diabetes, and having some kind of an infected wound. So it's really all of those things. And we provide rehabilitation services like physical therapy and occupational therapy, as well as nursing. And then, of course, we do end-of-life care, our hospice, where we support people in their home at the end-of-life. But we also have the VNA respite house in Colchester that is a 21-bed inpatient facility for people at the end-of-life who aren't able to be at home. So those are our services. So, again, you're looking at covering... asking us to cover 50% of the value of what you're providing. Do other communities also pay the 50%? I know that's what you want them to do, but are they stepping out? That is our goal, and it really varies. Some towns are not able to get there. Other towns actually pay more than 50%. So we have 50% as our goal that we ask each town. And looking at the sheet you gave us, it looks like it's 619 people in Essex during the fiscal year of July 2016 to June of 2017, which amounts to over 10,000 hours of service provided. Yes, that's correct. And so you can see also that the cost of the services was actually over $2 million. We were able to build the majority of that to Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurances. But the unpaid balance is at 114. So that's about $5 an hour cost then? That's pretty impressive for nursing care. Okay, thank you, Judy. Open up questions from the board. Anybody? Andy? So, Max mentioned that 1% of our budget goes to human service organizations. There's some history there where we used to sign a contract that resulted in quarterly payments to the V&A, and I think it has something to do with evening out your cash flow or something back many, many, many years ago. And we've still kept that quarterly habit for some reason. And so when we get to June where we're making our decisions, we've already given you your money. So we can't really make a decision around it. It was essentially paid in the past. And so my question is whether there would be any severe impact to the V&A if we treated you like all other... You know, it's funny because I'm sure it was set up a long time ago by people who aren't here today. And when I brought this up to my billing office and said, why are we billing Essex quarterly, they said, geez, we'd rather do have a once a year, you know, disbursement. Any other questions for Jay?  So you gave us a sheet with the... I think describes the affiliation with UVM. Can you talk more about that? Yes, I'd love to. No, we still... The V&A still has its own balance sheet. And so when you look at this, what the UVM Health Network really is, it's the building of what we call an integrated healthcare system. So it's really asking the providers to work more closely together so that we can do a better job on patient care. So the network is comprised of six hospitals, three of them here in Vermont, three in New York, and then also that green box is the physician group. So those are physicians who are employed by those hospitals. And so then just in January, the V&A came on as community health so that now it is not just hospitals who are working together to try to find better ways to do healthcare, but the V&A is now at the table with a voice. So that's... Honestly, I've been doing home care for almost my entire career, for 40 years I have been, and this is what I have always wanted, that we were actually able to be at the table on par with the hospital systems, because I've always believed... I had started my nursing career in the Peace Corps. I graduated from University of Vermont, joined the Peace Corps, and I very quickly saw that healthcare really begins in the home. It's at the kitchen table that I was in Central America. Anyway, it was always been my desire to be able to have community health services valued at the same level that hospital acute care services are. And now with healthcare reform that's really been happening these last four or five years, there's this realization that you don't keep people well by having them in the hospital. They're in the hospital, they have an acute event, they go home, and then they'll end up back in the hospital if we don't really provide the community-based services. So the affiliation is a recognition on behalf of the network leaders that they really need to do more outside the hospital care, really support community providers to be able to do that care. So we still have our own balance sheet just as all the hospitals do. We do our own billing, we pay our own staff, it's totally separate corporation, but we have this affiliation with the network. So that means that we're all working together. There are certain ways that the network is helping the V&A now. For instance, one of our programs we do telemonitoring in the home where they look like little iPads and they measure a person's blood pressure, oxygen levels, weight, and heart rate. So for somebody who has a cardiac condition like congestive heart failure, having that information that they can take every single day at home themselves and they're like, we have 80 of these telemonitors, it all comes into one central station at the V&A so one nurse can manage all those patients. Really catch things early when there's a problem and avoids hospitalization. There's a lot of real research that shows this. So it's a fabulous system. For the V&A to afford to upgrade that system to be able to do video and just you know how it is with technology every so many years you really do have to upgrade it. We're not able to do that on our own. We have to try to borrow money. So in that instance the network sees that value. We show them the data so they're actually going to purchase a new system for us. So that's just great. So that's the way that financially that the network will help us. Every once in a while there may be something that we're able to have as like a one time usually it'll be a capital expense. We hope in about four years they'll also help us turn over our electronic medical record system so that we'll be on the same medical record system as the physicians in the hospital. So then it'll be one medical record that we share and there'll just be so many less chance of any medication errors or confusion of orders or anything because we're all documenting in the same record. But that would be a really great expense but the network will help us with that. But they're not providing, operating. No, that's not right. That's exactly the thank you, the good wording. That's what I should have said. So our day-to-day operations remain our own. And we still do fundraising. We have an event coming up May 5th to raise money for hospice. The 5K run. Those remote systems are remarkable. My mother-in-law when she was alive had one of those at the house and they were... It makes a difference. It makes a huge difference. It made a huge difference. And she was like a five-year-old. Yeah. And now the new ones... Yeah, I know you always talk about... I'm a widow, my husband's deceased and he had one also. And he used to call her the lady in the box. But so also the new ones that we get will be video-enabled. So for people who are truly homebound and they're not able to get out to see the physician will now facilitate a physician visit to that person from the home and to be able to show them like a wound or some other skin condition and it'll all be video. There was a question in there. Can you speak briefly to the category on the social work and social service piece? It looked like a fair volume of work there. Can you describe that for me a little bit or for us a little bit? Yeah. And the role of the social workers really is to help people access the many services that are available to them in the community. And often a social worker will help somebody who's newly admitted to the V&A apply for Medicaid services or perhaps for Medicare disability get food stamps or meals on wheels. We'll also provide counseling for them if that's needed, if there are issues such as anxiety and depression. So it really is unfortunately in today's economy and so much that's going on in the world where we do see a larger role for social workers. So is it safe to say then that there's a fair volume of that where that service is provided for someone who's just released from the hospital and goes home and then there's also people with ongoing care and that type of thing. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? Andy? Yeah, sorry. We have a business located they have an office here in town, Bayata that provides similar services that you do. They're a for-profit company. I guess the question I have is we're contributing on the order of 50,000, slightly over $50,000 of taxpayer money to subsidize your business. I guess the question is where's the trade-off? Or how do I justify it to taxpayers that I should be subsidizing your business when they could potentially get similar service elsewhere? Sure. And that's true. If a person has a good insurance or they have Medicare, they can go to Bayata and they can receive skilled nursing services just like they could from the VNA. But because the VNA is a not-for-profit, we don't look at your insurance first. So the VNA does 40% of all of our revenue is Medicaid. So we are really providing the services to the people who are the lower income. And as I said, Medicaid, a nursing visit costs at the VNA $170,000 for a home health visit from a nurse. And that sounds like a lot, but it's really, we're talking about a few hours plus the overhead and all that. We're paying the nurse to drive there, to be in the home for an hour, to drive back, to do paperwork. We're paying the mileage, benefits, all of those things. So the Medicaid only pays us $110 for a visit. So for every Medicaid visit we do, we lose about $60. So sometimes for-profit companies choose not to take Medicaid patients. Bayata does take Medicaid patients. VNA just takes many more. And they're, you know, because, you know, Bayata is a good company. I don't want to say anything negative about Bayata, but I will say that the VNA does a larger proportion of care that is not reimbursed. And that's the only reason we're coming to you is because we have that care that's not reimbursed. Yeah, thanks. So with the population in Vermont and probably a lot of areas is aging, the workload on VNA probably will increase as well. Do you have plans for how do you grow to accommodate that? We really are. We are really, one of the things we're doing is just looking more closely at data, making sure that we have data that shows the value of our services. Just this morning I did a presentation for a group at the Medical Center about one of our programs that we're doing that really shows that we have decreased hospitalizations and decreased emergency room utilization by this population of people. So because I'm now able to provide that data, we'll be able to get some funding from One Care Vermont, which is the Accountable Care Organization. So we'll get some funding from them for that program. What we believe is going to happen is within several years Vermont's going to be paid with a capitated or a global budget. So One Care Vermont, for example, will receive and this year the all payer waiver is in effect in Vermont. So there's a global amount of money that's being received for Medicare services. So everything the VNA does counts against that. We're still billing Medicare the way we do now and we're not at financial risk, but the hospitals are. So when that money, you know, more than that, the hospitals lose that money. If we spend less, there's some incentive that you share the excess with the government, with the federal government. But so because healthcare is changing the way it's going to be paid in the future, this is our opportunity to really make sure we've got good data. We're showing our value. We're really doing very high quality services and really making sure we're fine tuning what we're doing. We're very, very aware of that and doing that. So I believe that in the future, because the healthcare system needs to do if you've heard of the triple aim, the triple aim is they have to do better outcomes for people, better patient satisfaction and do it at a lower cost. Well, you don't do that by admitting people to the hospital. So there's going to be more and more of an emphasis in community care. So we're looking forward home health agencies, but also mental health organizations, councils on aging, I think we'll be positioned to receive more funding in the future to support the services we're doing because we are going to be doing more also. Right. Good. Thank you. Any other questions? Judy, I want to thank you for taking time any day to come and have a conversation with us. We appreciate you answering our questions and thank you so much for because you had these questions inviting me to come. I mean, so much better than just assuming answers. Yeah, that's why it was so important to really appreciate that. Thank you very much. Have a good night. Okay, we're going to move on to the next item of business, which on the agenda is 6C and that's the facilitation plan for firearms ordinance discussion. Oh, Jennifer. So Greg, you want to try that? Sure. So Jen and I sat down after our last meeting and looked at some facilitation options to bring back to you and try to come up with a plan to actually start this engagement process with the public about how to look at the firearms ordinance and based on the police chief's recommendations. Came up with two options and I can try to answer questions about them. There's some timelines in here, but just the quick overview is basically option A is the faster approach. That would be Jennifer working with a few members of staff as kind of a small advisory team to go through and come up with a more specific plan in terms of a community outreach forums, guiding the survey, figuring out focus groups or smaller input options that might be available working through there and engaging the public in all those ways and getting a report back to the select board in time to make any changes before this hunting season, if there are any changes to be made. Those would be recommendations per se. The recommendation would simply be a summary of the findings based on all the engagement options and bring it back to you to see if the board is ready to make a decision or if there's something that's clear that comes out of the engagement pieces where it makes it easy for you to make a decision. Option B is the slower option. That would be similar to above the recommendation to just a staff advisory team that would be reaching out, finding some members of some residents in town representing a diverse group of people hopefully to come together and be part of that advisory team and guide that process. Still doing the same types of outreach, still doing the same types of engagement and those types of things, but having a broader group of people doing it. The idea there would be able to make a recommendation to the select board in feedback from the public. The issue there is that it would be a slower process. We'd have to kick it out a few weeks even just to do the interview process, the application process to see who's interested in joining on that committee. Being able to work through and actually make recommendations would take a longer time, try to sift through that stuff and see what is viable and make a recommendation to the select board and not something that, generally, I feel can be done so those are the two options. Staff recommendation is to go with option A, it's the faster option it's a little bit more responsive in case there are anything that does come out and is clear and can be done this year trying to leave some time to make any changes if any are necessary or that's what the public puts back based on some of those engagement options, but also having time to publicize any of those changes before rifle season takes effect in November. So those are the two options, like I said there's some more details in the memo about timelines, I'm happy to answer what I can, Jen's here to chime in if need be, and that's it. So again, A would, the timeline would allow us to if appropriate to make changes in time for this upcoming season and B would be slower, but they both deal with the chief's report, right? Yes. So we're going to go back to the town, broke it up into different zones and various recommendations or options that could be for each zone. Select Board was thinking about making the decisions ourselves and we said no, let's get more input so what's the Board's who wants to kick off this between option A and B discussion? Anybody? I see Andy's hanging up, so let's start with you again. As I said before, I don't think I'm not in support of having yet another committee formed. I think we did that the last go around and I think it's time to collect inputs and have the Select Board make a decision and I'd like to have it happen sooner rather than later so I'm in favor of option A myself. Anybody else? Mike? I also, I've been in favor of option A for reasons slightly different than Andy. I think we've I think that this Board has escaped by having two incidents of bullets in houses and I'm just not willing to wait for a third so the sooner we can get this resolved the better as far as I'm concerned doing it within and doing it before there's nothing she's and I think would be of the right view. Thank you, Mike. Irene or Elaine? I just have a quick question. Greg, can you just very clearly state the difference between the public input process that would happen in option A and the public input options for process for option B and what the results would what would happen with those comments? The options would be pretty similar Jen jump in if you feel differently but the options for the actual engagement would be very similar where the idea is to do kind of a community kickoff event at some point, have an online survey and then do some smaller groups, focus groups, forums as necessary if we get to the point we think that should happen option A or option B, that's the same the difference is that in option A it would be staff and Jennifer putting together those options with option B it would be Jennifer, staff and some residents who are interested and want to form an advisory committee or want to be part of that advisory committee the end result, the difference between the two option A is that the staff advisory group would summarize the feedback from the community forums, from the survey to the outreach and provide that report to the select board under option B the advisory group with the residents on it would be sifting through some of those some of that feedback seeing if there's recommendations that that group can make to the select board option A means that this board and the staff and Jennifer will make the decisions well Jennifer will help guide us make the decisions if I can interject the board would make the decision would guide the process facilitate the process staff would be part of that and we'd be presenting you with a summary report but the decision would be the boards in the second option you have an advisory committee that's interpreting options and recommending a decision one takes longer than the other so the role of the public and the first option is to provide input the role of the public in the second option could be a little more nuanced also interpreting maybe developing okay so I have a question this ordinance that we're looking at is just covering the area of town outside the village is that true? there's no discharge zone in the firearms ordinance there's already no discharge within the village so this would be looking at the ordinance it applies to basically the town outside the village because that's where there's areas we can still discharge so is there a chance we can combine those ordinances because we are the select board that has jurisdiction over everything and consider melding that ordinance that exists the regulation I guess it's called in the village with whatever we're doing so that the select board is actually deciding a townwide issue because we're a townwide board I don't have the ordinance in front of me so I'm not exactly sure how it's written but I'm pretty sure that all the ordinance are almost the same between the town and the village because it's the police who are usually enforcing it so again without having the ordinance in front of me I can't say exactly what the village is but I think the town ordinance is no shooting in the village no discharge in the village I have to get back to you to confirm so what about option A versus B Irene or Elaine I'm in favor of option A I think it's more important that we move to take action sooner rather than later in the event that something else happens or at least consider taking action we don't know what consider taking action but with the goal of taking action sooner rather than later Irene so it sounds like A is the option but what I'd like to hear from anyone in the audience I think we have some people who are interested in this topic so I'd like everyone who wants to speak to be able to speak at least just once and keep it brief if you would and before you talk just state your name for the record please and I'll recognize the gentleman with his hand up I actually had sent you guys a letter that I think was in our packet yes and so I'd just like to expand on that in there I referenced the March 20th 2017 select board meeting where we discussed it was discussed how we were going to go forward with this actually before I wrote you the letter and again last night I reviewed the whole video from that meeting and I'd just like to give a few brief things from that so basically first the former chief Brad LaRose he says you got to get public engagement public forums and hearings we need to be flexible and you can always take this to the bank no one of us is as smart as all of us he followed on to say that the data that he had collected that these are not so much recommendations but here's some options right after the chief said that I stood right there and I posed the following to the select board I said could part of the forums be how the public wants to go about this do it in sections or at all or if we want to settle it once and for all I would like to see part of those meaning the forums be to decide what we want to do the response back to me quote from the select board was yeah it will be the public say in how they would like to go forward that would absolutely be part of the process one of the first questions perhaps the option A in this select board packet tonight is not consistent with what was stated at that select board meeting on March 20th 2017 because of the last line in there it requires the select board to make ordinance changes based on the police the police chief's potential recommendations the chief himself even stated in that meeting that his ideas as I said were not so much recommendations but options and he emphasized the public engagement to craft the recommendations and I just want to urge the select board to be consistent with what was portrayed to the whole public in that meeting about the intended process of the public engagement and that recommended option A does not do that if you look at option B although it's a slower time frame it says that the process may allow for a more nuanced recommendation to emerge from the police chief's report I don't feel that the public should be locked into what the what stated back then that's not what the select board told us that night and that's not what the whole public that it was in attendance left here you know believe me okay thank you Ben thanks for your comments is anybody else sir if you could state your name too please I live on a lost nation road this was this subject is near and dear in my heart because I'm a hunter and I'm a target sure and I have to agree I disagree with chief the roses potential what he wanted us to look at as far as the maps where he thought the zone should go I totally disagree with that I don't think we've done our homework I really think this needs to be looked at closer it's a serious subject a lot of us I don't like option A I like B I'd like us to take our time and look at this seriously and have some input from people that have land in this area I live I only have 10 acres but I'm bordered by a hundred acres right in my own backyard and across the road there's probably 500 acres which is part of the chief's recommendation that becomes a no shooting zone at 500 acres of woodland that you're saying shut it down so along with that I would certainly volunteer to be on the board with option B to do some serious you gotta look at this a little closer you are homework you need to get out there see the land that you're talking about becoming a no shooting zone don't just sit here you need to see it then make a decision thank you thank you for your input the difference between option A and B you get the public input it's just that the select board would take that input and decide what to do with it as opposed to giving that to a handful of another board to do that for us so the public engagement piece is vital to us and we said that in the meeting on the whatever date that was and we mean that today as well we haven't made any decisions about what changes we would do we're going to wait to hear back from you all in this process and maybe it comes up and says there's no change I don't know no decisions have been made in advance so this is something we were going to do on our own without any additional public input but we said no we want to make sure we get help from the public to do that and I think option A allows us to get that input from the public to evaluate the different options that the police chief put out there they weren't recommendations he just said here are the different zones here are things you could do you know choose something and we're saying we'd like the public to help us decide what to choose if any changes need to be done Andy? I was thinking based on the comments that were just made that perhaps we should change the last word of option A from recommendation we're considering the chief's options or proposed options rather than potential recommendations because I think the interpretation is that we're going to it's limiting us to only those changes or maybe we also put in other potential options or others that may come up during discussion I think there's a valid point that there may be other ways that aren't already documented in Brad LaRosa's memo that we could consider but I think we had that discussion with Jennifer and we were saying that that's a different process then if we say here are the options or make one up that's a different process is that right then looking at the some of those options there are clear answers and some of those options they're inadequate to fully represent the interests that are represented there doesn't preempt you from saying here's a very clear trend that's coming out of this input process and here's where the work still needs to be done and there needs to be a little bit more thought and nuanced kinds of agreements because I think what I'm interpreting is that options can be somewhat limited and that they're already framed out and sort of defined the reason I suggest separating them and not trying to do them on the same process is that if you want a quick decision I would to give a process with integrity want to be very clear what I'm inviting the public to do or not do at any given time so if I want input people need to make an informed decision about what they're going up for and it will change what they say and when they choose to say it so I don't want you to shift gears mid process but from the very beginning make it very clear the limitations of the input that you want or not knowing that that might leave some work undone that needs a longer process and more input and more voices it could be instead of defining what that other option would be it could be none of the above say and then that would say there's more work to do in the future right the only thing I want to make clear is that if you're asking for some input I'm not necessarily going to be asking people to negotiate what those other options look like in this short term because there's not enough time to really vet them and I don't think it's I wouldn't want anyone in a position of signing up for a process and having it change midway not really know what they were agreeing to or showing up for so just to be really clear that if you're looking for some input options that have been defined you can have a process that with integrity makes room for those voices even if those voices are saying this is super limiting that's an outcome of its own that might be useful to the longer term option provides for those nuanced pieces because it's input that goes to an advisory group that then goes back and forth between different groups if there are other options that need to be defined bedded, tested discussed if you do that at a later time should we see that there's a need for that and you can also frame out what that conversation is about absolutely so if there's some easy decisions to make you can make them in the short term and then the longer more creative work that you're talking about where you actually take the time for a group to walk different tracks and figure that piece out doesn't mean it can happen it's just those two processes to combine them together I think is problematic for everyone who gets snarled up in it and I think it was a valid point too that before any final decisions are made on any of these zones that we probably do need to arrange a field trip to really touch and feel and see it that's a good recommendation okay sir my name is Jeff Kirschner I live at 247 Brigham Hill Road when I read option A my understanding of option A is that you guys are going to pick one of those options in the chief's report that's how I read it I don't know if that's true but there was very little wiggle room if you will in that it's a subject very near and dear to my heart as well I've lived in Essex for over 40 years I've hunted been outdoors since I was 10 years old I passed 100 safety I hunted with my family all that time I now have a young son who passed his 100 safety at 10 years old and I'm trying to experience those experiences as well and one of the things that we've always wanted to have and our family is a place that we could do that ourselves a lot of my life I spent in Essex Junction I recently moved to the town and I bought one of the bigger residential parcels of land in town it's not the biggest but it's one of the biggest I have 43 acres it wasn't in the shooting zone when I bought it two years ago it was a win-win it's private, it's undeveloped it's surrounded by undeveloped wooded land and fields with large large contiguous parcels it's perfect it's perfect for us to get out and enjoy that wildlife experience and just the land we listened to Miss Jones who was buying for a spot on the Trails Committee earlier telling everybody how she loves to get out in the wilderness and walk around so we do too, that's what hunters do we love to get out, walk around and enjoy that sport we love to target practice the chief zones to me some of them don't necessarily take into account the size of the parcel and what's around it is it contiguous to a bunch of houses or is it contiguous to hundreds of acres of open land I'm not saying he didn't look at that it doesn't appear to be so based on that I would definitely encourage you to go on a field trip and I will volunteer to have you all out and we'll go for a walk together and show you, I have walked the land I've walked off of my property and you can walk for hours and not see anything it's wonderful zoning, a lot of my land is zoned conservation I can't do anything with it really, except walk on it and recreate on it that's why I bought it because nothing else can happen so we can continue that experience that I experienced when I was younger that I'm passing on to my son and the rest of my family finally, I just want to say that I know firearms is a tough subject especially right now but safe firearms can happen safe shooting can happen need to be responsible safety is always always number one priority with us when we pick up one of those firearms that has to be the first thing that goes through your mind and it's taught at the Hunter Safety Course Hunter Safety Course doesn't necessarily mean hunting and only hunting, it doesn't teach us to be hunters it's a lot of the course and I would say the majority of the course teaches us about guns and safety of guns and those consequences of every time you pick that firearm up it's supposed to be just embedded in you and it is, I bet for everyone in this room that has done that so I just want to stress let's be careful let's think about this responsibly because safe firearms and shooting can happen thank you anybody else sir? David Scopin, I've been a shooter also for probably the last 25 years all of my shooting has been safe because all of my shooting has been at a range the range was set up for ultimate safety in use of firearms I love to shoot, I love to target shoot I am not a hunter but the thought of going out anywhere during hunting season in a state that has a reputation for on occasion having a stray bullet take down a civilian scares the daylights out of me I hope everyone shoots safely they do exist they're not that far and they're available for all of us to use and that's what I would hope that we would concentrate on is there anyone else here tonight who hasn't spoken yet okay thank you all for coming in okay any any change in position I'm gonna confess that I don't remember exactly what Brad LaRose's recommendations were so I'm a little uncomfortable without having those recommendations fresh on my mind to constrain myself to only those recommendations if that's the path that option one takes your option a takes well it could be that none of those options are good and if that's the case then it says we have more homework to do and we could have another process but we may get some clear guidance from the public for other areas you know maybe Indian Brook or maybe Saxon Hill or something that we could take consider taking action on and others that for whatever reason are gonna need more time so I don't think this is gonna be you know a one time I mean it takes some time you pulling up the the report I guess while that's coming up you mentioned shooting ranges we don't have jurisdiction over shooting ranges we can't tell you you can't shoot on a shooting range this is strictly a hunting question so we're just trying to pull up what the chiefs report that had the different zones and recommendations thank you Greg so it breaks down possible priorities in the Indian Brook area Saxon Hill forest area future future build out future permitting general recommendations this is the 2009 report and the recommendations from that and then as some examples from Williston and Colchester as well here are the zones that the chief references in the report point out is there a map that points out there was a map that had indications of areas that were mapped for additional development in the future and is there one that overlaps that with conservation zone or are there either does either map offer that that might have been from an earlier version of the report yeah it could have been a different report that's Williston Colchester chiefs report yellow is the no discharge area right now in Essex the dotted line is the no discharge and this is the density in 2015 as of 2015 this is future the official zoning map which kind of maps up with future land use map is so much so the green area is our conservation zone that's there's 10 acre zoning is agricultural residential that's 3 acre zoning so the brown overlaps with this future development in significant portion largely yes the brown and a little bit of the green what it magically does right where your figure is at least for the north I'm only going to talk about the north there but the north boundary of that blue area is a lot of it is open there's a magic line because it's not Essex anymore but when we talk about continuous parcels that happens on three sides of us here to the east and to the west and to the north what may look like a little parcel on a blue may be surrounded by hundreds of acres in another town that does allow that a lot of people have permission to go on that so continuous parcels are a big deal I think should be looked at so Andy so I mean you kind of flashed through the recommendations pretty quickly and I'm sorry I didn't I didn't absorb them all but he talks about maybe you know shotgun only no rifle things like like that I forget what the sorry the type of the type of weapon is certainly a discussion that we can have there were only two parcels that he was specific parcels that he was recommending and then the rest of it was just not just I shouldn't use the word just would be potentially based on future development or so he's recommending Indian Brook Park and then Saxon Hill Forest deer crossing development those are the two areas that he's recommending and then what's the blue part on that represent those are the recommended priorities blue is the future build out and future permitting okay so there's no specific recommendation in that build out and future permitting it's just a matter of we need to look at what's going on there I just wanted to see if there's anything that's restricting us on how we deal with that blue park general recommendations here which talks about some of the potential options refers back to 2009 the 2009 report based on your earlier statement is it safe to say that if we come back with accepting none of the chief's recommendations that we'll write back to square zero again if the input comes back and it's not yeah and it's clear that the recommendations are not anything that the public wants to consider then yeah we're going to need to consider doing something but remember there's different zones and some may be more clear than than others and from those that are clear we can consider taking action those that are not clear we should talk about what needs to be done to make them more clear my only concern with that is that can you sit again yes Max just gave the option of implementing some of the changes and then coming back to review and discuss in more detail some of the others my comment is that I am concerned that we get bumped to the bottom of the list and it'll be another five or six year period before we pick it up to talk about it again well that would be coming up on the board to either do that act on it or not so I think we know that it's been kicked down the road for a while and we're you know we talked about wanting to do a because it can impact this coming season if we decide to make any changes but I think anything that's not clear we don't want to just make a decision we'd want to be able to figure out what to do to get a better handle on what might need to be done and I don't see us waiting another five or six years but that's up to the board to decide what the priority is those recommendations are nine years old right? no the report is from the task force is nine years old but Brad put something together last year yeah so okay so what's the board's pleasure then to entertain a motion if there's no further discussion well it depends on what the I know we already had the input from the public we had the discussion about going for option A at least that's what sound like the majority was but I'm asking based on hearing what we heard is there any change to that and if there is fine but so I'm asking just what the board's pleasure is regarding option A or B because it would be nice to be able to sure I'll move at the select word choose option A for the community discussion about the firearms ordinance okay so option A do I have a second option A any further discussion on choosing option A Andy? the recommendations and the discussion that we've had about them I think there's enough wiggle room to look at other options if we need to I know the preference would be not to extend this any longer than possible so I am back in the option A box myself Mike you had a comment if it is the majority's rule to move to A and I know I said I favored A at the beginning um I just wanted on the record that I'm going to be obnoxious if we don't get far enough um okay we're going to hold you to that don't worry you won't have to okay any further discussion for the board on? I believe this is at least two years old Greg is there a time I think this report was February of 2017 and the one before that was I think September of September of 16 okay Mike there's no more room for public we have a motion on table and that's our policy okay there's no further discussion from the board we have a call for a vote all those in favor of option A signifier saying aye opposed motion passes unanimously with option A so we've got some work cut out for us Jen and thank you all for coming in okay we're going to move on to business item 6E that's a proposal for Green Lantern solar for net metering project and we have David we do I've got a few friends with me I think you probably recognize these fellas just for the record if you can state your names once again I know you're all from the Will Vave from Green Lantern developer of this project Victor Vave and David it's open hello David thank you for coming gentlemen so if you could walk us to a high level there we've read what's in the packet you would requested that the committee take a look and I was tasked with the job so I did and as you've probably already learned from my email I was very impressed with what I found and when I brought it to when I brought it to the town and Greg and Lauren looked through things along with at least two or three others we came to the conclusion that this was something that would benefit the town a great deal I've talked to the trustees last week and they went ahead and approved the project because they would be also another off-taker so unless you have questions I would simply say that I think we're in good speed to go ahead with the project all right so let's Greg did you have anything to add to it David just said what we're bringing to you tonight is as David said the energy committee has vetted this staff has vetted this we're comfortable with it we think it's a good thing to pursue but looking for the board to sign off on that if you do we can go through we'll get the contract cleared up make sure it has a legal review and have everything else tied up to bring back to you for final approval if you're so we're looking tonight to see if you're supportive of the concept and the idea if so we would bring it back for the final approval if I could just interject I can give you guys a quick update of where we're at since we've last met with you which I think is important yeah if you could take us for what's changed since then that would be good yeah now what I printed out here is just a real quick kind of like power point presentation but basically project as proposed when it was originally presented to you has been approved as presented the certificate of public good was issued just a while back about a month and a half ago so we're moving towards the actual construction right now as David said we did meet with the village trustees made the same presentation offered them the same net metering discount as we're offering to you whereby when the project is completed the town and village would both be off-takers and potentially based on the Westford school system they would be the third off-taker and we're working through that right now so rounded out all of the net meter credits that are going to be produced by the facility will be kept down so the town village and the school and then as a recap of what the town stands to benefit from by entering into this arrangement is roughly an equivalent savings of seventeen thousand seven hundred dollars a year on your electrical spend to green mountain power and that's on a year-by-year basis over an initial term of twenty years and in that initial term the savings is roughly calculated at three hundred forty thousand dollars over how many years? Twenty years yep the other benefits from this project are going to be adding to the local tax base split between the municipality and the state and the education taxes that will be paid by the projects of twenty thousand dollars a year for project this size we're also Vermont company employing Vermonters live right down the road from you and Jericho have our office here in Essex so we're excited as locals to be bringing this locally to you as well and we're going to be good clean quiet neighbors producing reliable renewable electricity our personal front will and I am owning the land so we're going to be here gentlemen at the village presentation you also mentioned the state's goal of getting to renewable by a certain date and how this impacts that as well under the new net metering rules the renewable energy there's three things that are produced from the facility it's electricity that goes back into the grid net meter credits which we produce which we're going to place with the village town and school and then renewable energy credits which get retired back to Green Mountain power and those renewable energy credits go towards the tier one tier two renewable energy portfolio for the utility which goes towards our renewable energy standards making this project renewable energy project and counting towards our twenty forty goal question yeah the the document that we were given has different numbers than the table that you handed out order to a difference of two oh I'm not isn't it's like eighty five hundred a month is the savings and you've got seventeen seven here just yep I might have printed the wrong sheet I apologize for that which one's wrong the printed one that you handed out tonight or the because I don't see a date on either chart great is it that is the chart handed out tonight is that the town and the village combined yes that is yep I apologize for that so the actual four hundred twenty thousand to the town the balance goes to the village so if you give me just a second to do quick math and I can send a new that is the correct sheet up there so I did a cumulative sheet apologize for that that sheet has the four hundred thousand which is eighty seven hundred a year and roughly a hundred and sixty twenty years apologize for the another thing that is part of the offer which I stated the first time we made this presentation the select board is we will be covering the legal expense for the review of the contract so there's no out of pocket cost other than your staff's time to review this and we've made the same for the village and the school I do know the village trustees may contact you if you do decide to go with us to streamline that if there's any way to share legal review expenses and we're in favor of that and we'll be covering those costs the village is currently reviewing the village is currently reviewing applicants for village attorney may just look maybe to do town review and then as long as it has a legal review for a municipality such we may make a recommendation just to go with one so what's the risk to the town I'm moving forward on this it says here there is no risk you never get a free lunch opportunity costs and the time that you've taken with us to review these contracts and then going back to paying just your bill to green mountain power because if the thing doesn't work you pay your normal bill because you never pay more than it what we've done is we've actually gone to actuals it used to be a few years ago when we'd enter into these contracts we would do an average over the year and then bill a predictable bill on a monthly basis from our amount of working with public institutions came the conversation of well we don't want to carry you through your non-production months like during the winter where we may not use the power on our bills so we move to an actual billing you only pay for what you use and then our promise to you is the amount of credits that we reserve for that based on the in-depth energy study that the energy committee has done and then I worked with Dave and company to make sure that that was in line with what is available for the town to save on okay any other questions for yes and elsewhere in our agenda there's a discussion about the battery partnership with Green Mountain Power yep that's a separate project and you'll see us again on that okay just a observation correct me if I'm wrong especially members of the energy committee but Essex is already home to one of the largest solar arrays in the state and adding this into it will really make Essex a leader in renewable energy Lickham Farm that's right yeah that's not a bad thing to be known for not at all that project was really exciting too because you had a big press event behind that when they interconnected that and really became familiar that was one of the first big ones really cool okay so in your package you have a long list of potential off takers and you're still negotiating with other oh no that's all people that we're doing business with that's a partial list of off takers that are currently working with us not on this project no just in general yep okay what do you need from us tonight anything yeah we need just I think a motion to proceed with getting the contract right so second so back before the select board before final approval do we we're looking for a motion to proceed with the contract negotiations to come back to the select board for approval yeah good okay any I remain the motion and who's second any further discussion on approving them to go forward with the negotiating the contract and have it come back to us hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed motion passes 5-0 looks like a move forward so what's the time frame for that I guess it depends on how long the lawyers take um we can work as fast as you can work and then I was told that there are sometimes joint meetings between the trustees and the select board so if it lines up that that happens at the same time maybe we can all meet at that meeting if not we'll work around your schedule do it about every other month we get together okay as soon as you get me a energy committee yeah we have we have the latest digital version of the contract we do yes yep and David thank you for the work you do on the energy committee thank you gentlemen have a good night okay we're going to move along on business item 6F that's the adoption of the 2018 local emergency operations plan great so every year the town is asked to approve a local emergency operations plan the time is now to do that it's a pre-requisite it's a pre-requisite for applying to certain types of grants it's also necessary if there is God forbid a disaster emergency and need to request funding which has happened before but if we need to request reimbursement from the state or FEMA it helps tremendously to have this in place in terms of recouping some of that money so there's a plan before you it's been vetted by the police chief and it's recommended that the select board adopt the 2018 local emergency operations plan and authorize the chair to sign that plan so moved we can do that and we can still have discussion do I have a second on that a second any further discussion on this anybody this isn't earth shattering by any stretch but how did the educational center get picked to house is it 500 plus pets or is that 500 people and pets are allowed I believe it's a ladder I'm revocative 500 plus and pets are allowed I don't think it's 500 pets I didn't think so either but I'm wondering how the school got picked the house pets and the other two didn't they're just nice I don't know I'll have to no carpeting in the high school probably I don't know but I could tell you that there has been a very large movement to make sure that people do bring their pets one of the reasons they don't leave their homes is because they do not want to leave the house pets behind and it ends up creating more burden on the responders and it also has people wanting to go back into their homes faster before it is actually safe for them to go back in don't misunderstand I'm just wondering how the school got picked over the exposition which would seem to my memory have quite a few kind of rough buildings without carpeting that's true I don't know if they volunteered because they're the one really public entity as opposed to the church and the exposition but that's just speculation on my part which I shouldn't do any other comments or questions before we vote on the SOPS plan okay, hearing none then all those in favor of adopting the 2018 local emergency operations plan and authorizing the chair to sign it, signify by saying aye aye, opposed there's some passes by O excellent, okay we're going to move on to business item 6G and that's adoption of rules and regulations for orderly conduct of business it seems like we see this one a lot so Greg there are two main changes I think one was going from having to vote unanimously to continue from midnight we move that to 11 and in order to amend the agenda we had a 75% requirement and we're saying let's just make it a majority right, those are two any concerns about that we all agreed to it last time I think I would love a motion I would move the select forward adopt the rules and regulations for orderly conduct of business thank you Irene, do I have a second on that somebody else was tracking okay, Andy, very good any further discussion about adopting the rules and regulations for orderly conduct of business okay, hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye aye, opposed alright, that one's done too at 5-0 and we're going to move on to next item which is 6-8 that's kids to park day proclamation I don't see a name on that but I assume it's Greg that would be me, kids to park day it's another one that you've seen before around this time of year and this year national kids to park day is on Saturday, May 19th the parks department put this together put the memo together and presented you with the memo I apologize, the memo in the packet had a couple of typos it listed Sue is still being on the board and Andy we forgot a D in your name, sorry in the signature form Andy Watts Andy Watts will do Andy Watts will do wait, I missed that one I can go white out the corrected version there is a corrected version in your to be signed sheets otherwise it's just a nice event put on by the national park trust and looking for the support to proclaim pro-claim as such in Essex on May 19th okay we usually read it into the record I can't remember if we read it before after we approve it so how about that the new clerk of the select board one of the duties if you don't mind if you would read the proclamation of kids to park day certainly proclamation kids to park day Saturday, May 19th 2018 whereas May 19th 2018 is the sixth kids to park day organized and launched by the national park trust and whereas kids to parks day empowers kids and encourages families to get outdoors and visit America's parks and whereas it is important to introduce a new generation to our nation's parks because of the decline in park attendance over the last decades and whereas we should encourage children to lead a more active lifestyle to combat the issues of childhood obesity diabetes, maledice hypertension and hypercholesterolemia and whereas kids to parks day is open to all children and adults across the country to encourage a large and diverse group of participants and whereas kids to parks day will broaden children's appreciation for nature and the outdoors now therefore be it resolved that the select board of the town of Essex hereby proclaim to participate in kids to parks day we urge residents of the town of Essex to make time May 19th 2018 to take the children in their lives to a national park thank you clerk appreciate it okay so um what's the board's pleasure on this one I'll move that we sign the proclamation of kids to parks day okay thank you do I have a second any further discussion about signing the kids to park day proclamation hearing none all those in favor signify we say aye all right that one's done 5 oh great we're going to move on to business item 6 aye we have a couple of packets of minutes to do one is March 24th 2018 do I have a motion for that one okay second thank you all right so let's thank you for putting them out regarding this particular set of minutes yes I have a big favorite of the staff so this was a really important meeting and in reading through the minutes I felt like perhaps they could be a little bit more vetted for accuracy based on the conversations we had and the recording of channel 17 so I would like to request I know this is unusual and I don't need to burden the staff with a lot of extra work but I would request if staff could review the video and make sure that these minutes are more accurately reflective of the conversation in general so they seem different than the others somehow not different but some context is not as accurate as it could be for a meeting of such importance I feel like it should be a little bit more comprehensive is there any particular areas you'd like us to focus on or the whole thing well Irene has already put together a great deal of edits and so in terms of presenting the information I think it would be a good idea of someone with more familiarity with the topic, reviewed the tape and confirmed that what was represented in the minutes is truly what happened okay is anyone else everyone else okay with that and then I would ask that once that's done then this board sees it and approves them and we've commented before that the minutes aren't supposed to be a transcript but I guess I didn't I'm not sure where there are errors so because the topics are very they're based a lot on the notes that were you know the easel pad notes that Jennifer put up and everything I just want to make sure that there are many comments about people's feelings about the situation with the village and the town and some accuracies about history of what I don't, I promise I will not make this a habit but I really would prefer if someone with knowledge of our process and our work to date on consolidation would watch the video and confirm that these minutes reflect accurately what was said in the transcript, definitely not so everybody okay with that I would just request that you use my edits as a starting point because I spent a really long time going through these and re-watching this meeting to make sure that my edits would be as comprehensive as possible so I don't want that to mean vain I'd really like you seriously consider incorporating it in whatever else the staff does the advisement, right so if the rest of the staff is okay with that then we can kick that one down the road as long as we get a little extra time we will when he comes back next week I have we'll put some together I'm not asking for it to come back in any particular time honestly I just, it's an important meeting and I want to make sure that the minutes are accurate understood we had a motion on the table did we? so how do we how do we do that? well you asked the first to amend the motion as a friendly and then the second second set and that's when you have a I'll amend my motion to who made the first to approve the minutes? I did so I'll amend my motion to ask the board's approval of having the minutes reviewed and edited before we approve them at another meeting do you agree with that? any further discussion on setting the minutes from March 24th 2018 back for additions based on the tape and Irene's notes hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye motion passes 5-0 we're going to look for a motion to approve the April 2nd 2018 minutes with select board corrections do we have a motion? do I have a second on that? Mike, let's start on page 1 Irene you'll notice that I provided some of these also to folks just because there's extensive changes but there are a few extensive changes and they're more concentrated so hopefully we can get through this on line 35 I'd like to delete the end of the sentence so that it now reads Ms. Renner stated the invitation was in the door of one of Mr. Lee's neighbors and then she noted on the next line anyone else on page 1, page 2? Mary? Mr. McCohen when he visited gave us such great history is the procedure for one member to go through edits or do we do one page at a time? we do one page at a time that's a different one I would just like to request and CM I wrote this up I'll give it to you after at the end of line 46 I would like to add the following sentence sentences Ms. Renner questioned the validity of Ms. Sopcich's election to the select board Ms. Sopcich responded that she won the election by a margin of 18 votes which was confirmed by official recount I disagree with that I did not question the validity I just questioned plurality versus majority that's all I pointed out I didn't question validity of anything I was pointing out clarity I guess we disagree on the intent that's what I'd like to change it's on the tape I didn't say I questioned the validity of this I said the one was by plurality rather than majority that's the statement I made I think I could change my edit to question the legitimacy because I do remember that word being used I'll change that on this page, Sam anything else on one? I didn't question the legitimacy we're told that we're not allowed to rewrite history page two as I was saying Mr. McCone mentioned a great tidbit tied to history and Essex so I'd like to add the following paragraph as a new one at 92 Mr. McCone mentioned that blodge ovens which is in the process of moving to Essex was founded by a Gardner spring blodge it back in 1858 he designed and sold folding ovens to the Union Army anything else on two? okay then we're going to page three page four page Irene, do you have something to add? page five and? line 203 is said with regard to page eight of the water sewer budget Mr. Lutz wondered which line is that? line 203 can I ask the question about whether the minimum water charge okay anything else on five? okay we'll go to page six Irene? line 261 and 262 it's super majority I'd like to insert on line 270 the following paragraph where you see the asterisk this runner up an example from December members of the related background information with staff were not to be part of the conversation nor was the chair supportive of an executive session Ms. Sobjak suggested that the full board be approached with such a request okay anything else on six? line 276 I was the first person to suggest to 11 o'clock and finally on 290 Ms. Renner asked about the letter from the church on the consent agenda anything else on six? okay do we have a seven? page seven page eight none of those in favor I don't know what we're voting on point of order I don't know what we're voting on for the change the change that Elaine suggested right and change it to the legitimacy that's right okay all those in favor of the April 2nd 2018 minutes with select board corrections aye okay motion passes for one okay we're on the consent agenda do we have a motion to approve consent agenda please with select board member comments yes do I have a second on that okay so comments on consent anyone Andy the human services funding applications thank you for including them it's always good to have them especially when you get the whole packet because it's a big thing there are a number of organizations that were on the list last year that didn't have applications in the packet I contacted at least one of them Fuchoff and they said that they did send their application in January should I ask them to send it again or is it can I ask them to send it again I'll double check to make sure it didn't slip through or fall through anything I believe we sent it out to everybody who has submitted in the past I think in the past too when we've gotten we've had organizations that have applied in the past but we haven't but their applications are missing we reach out to them specifically to say hey did you did we lose yours or did you forget because I know occasionally an organization will say yeah we blew it we missed the deadline we'll come back to you next year and I think that's what prevent child abuse did if we didn't give them money last year did we actually ask them if they wanted money this year that's the other question I would I would raise I'm not sure about prevent child abuse but we can track it down I'm almost positive that we reached out to everybody who didn't receive them we expected to but I'll check up on prevent child abuse any other comments so apologies and thanks for the barrage of questions that I sent Max and Evan and Greg about the human services procedure because I'm new to this and so I wasn't sure because these items were in a consent agenda I panicked that I was supposed to read all this stuff in a weekend sorry about that I just have a request and Greg thank you for the answers you sent me I just have a couple questions about when we do discuss it would it be possible to receive an aggregation of all of the applications like the name of the organization the dollar amount that they're requesting so that we have it in one place and then would you mind police providing maybe I don't know if it would be in that same chart or not in that same chart however it works best for you but maybe for three years of history so we could see whether an organization this is what we typically get is it a recommendation from the manager exactly that on it was this from last year? this is from last year so it's got some of my own markups on it so you can't have that kind of can we have this? thank you my apologies I didn't know assuming Evan follows a similar procedure that would be hugely helpful that he's not aware of yeah right thank you for asking the question because I meant to bring that up too to make sure you understood the process I'd also maybe I don't know if it's we should do it during the deliberations over these particular applications but it would be helpful for me to understand the criteria that the board uses to make the approvals or disapprovals and whether there are policies in place and what kind of what kind of procedures and standards we follow to award these amounts we don't have a rubric per se but one of the requirements is that all of them have a 501C3 to be considered and the manager makes the recommendations and then we review them and see if we agree or disagree we did have a discussion about maybe going and having a citizens panel do it kind of circle back to say it's our responsibility we're going to do it but typically it's the manager that makes the recommendation and we say yay or nay sometimes we move things around a little bit if there's somebody has a good reason to any couple years ago I took the Ecos scorecard from the CCRPC there's also every three years I believe it's every three years whether a my assessment of prioritization of the needs based on those reports and I've shared it to the to the report and I actually pulled out last year's copy this afternoon and my intent is to update it with all the request numbers in it and all that and again it's my interpretation of the results for the past couple years I've shared it with the select board as a potential way to prioritize but you're free to use your own methodology as well. Well I think that's really excellent and I would want to add to that the heart and soul community values both boards I believe adopted those six community values and agreed to set policy based on those and so we might want to bring those back out and make sure that we're following those can I ask two more questions about this? Is it time to do it? How do organizations know that January is the time when it's time to apply? Greg answer that one or I can answer it or I can answer it well it is I think it's in the October time frame everybody who has gotten money in the past gets a letter saying hey now here's it's time here's the package this is what we expect to see all the packets have in it we ask people to provide an audit if they have it available which is why our packet was a thousand pages long that's why it's a thousand pages right now and so and those are although we have always allowed exceptions especially for ones that are lost or missed or the other thing I guess to say is it's a because you don't know this you didn't know this before that you typically need to contact organizations late summer early fall let them know it's coming if you want to add somebody to the list I was going to answer that we could of course the select board could make an exception and allow somebody to come in this late in the process depending on what the organization is we could have that discussion but typically it's you know January beginning of January is the the deadline but it's not necessarily it's not it's a little flexible it's somewhat flexible and the other thing to say is that it's it's one of the reasons I'm on the select board is that process is not very well known and so it's an organization that serves individuals and Essex may not know that there's funds available from the time of Essex unless somebody tells them that and do we tell them is there an announcement to say that it's grant period is open we have in the past published a put something out saying asking for what is it, what's the right question I forget detail that I have a memory of us doing something to publicize this to be totally honest this is pretty the people who used to handle this have moved on so it's current staff who's dealing with this is also learning how to do it and how to improve it and we can certainly put something in the answer to reporter we got no responses from it okay so that says to me the typical way for organizations to get added are for select board members or members of staff or organizations like them I think that is amazing that we do this I would just caution that offering grant funds by invitation excuse me I'm sorry I didn't raise my hand are you waiting for me to finish yeah I would think that any non-profit organization that happens to know that approximately $140,000 in grant money is available on the basis and doesn't apply for it they're falling down but we're not sharing that enough I would say that we're not sharing that enough like for example I was surprised not to see a couple different local charities like ant dots it's not on the list so again I'm new and I'm not trying to be critical of the process but those are the questions fresh eyes is good obviously room for improvement always whatever we do we can't call them grants because that implies that we have to do some follow-up as to how they actually use it I see so we don't require any reporting so we don't require any reporting so they're donations so it's a human service funding our budget I asked that question before ant dots has reached out the touch base after the deadline I will have to check and see if they actually are submitting anything if they did we'll bring it to you if not they are aware of it for the future but I'll check on that and on my voluminous list of things to learn and do is to find out about this process and work with staff on how to try to improve upon the communication aspect as you all know one of the comments from the 24th meeting was someone more dedicated with the communication strategy I am working on that as well with a position that will be coming due in October and working on how we get out to the public and where we need a pep and where we need a little more of this and it's an interesting thing that the town does give out money but we also want to see where it's going, how it's going what it's impact is and you can hear tonight with the V&A you know people change and the organizations change over the years and how they get funded sometimes changes and you're like well you're part of this organization well you're affiliated with them but maybe not funded by them and when you hear what they actually do you say wow that's well done and okay our money is going the people's taxes is going for that benefit but we do need to figure out how our message is getting out there and Andy will remember because you came to some of the meetings of a task force that we had that included select board members probably five years ago now looking at some of the very questions you're raising it would be timely to revisit some of them but we did go through a long list of I might follow up the hardened soul some of that stuff is I think what we also need to do there's a little far afield of this but we need to go back and do a better job of communicating what the town and the village has accomplished since that meeting about six years ago because I went back through it this weekend and congratulations you have done a lot of things maybe not completed but worked on a lot of issues in that report and it may be time to maybe look at doing a refresher on hardened soul and keeping that engagement going along with this effort to get out to the community of the monies that are available Andy December 2nd, 2016 we had a public engagement workshop just a public we actually hired a consultant to run this thing we got a somewhat thick packet and it ended there as far as I know so there's some input that might be helpful there to revisit this okay I'll give you one any other comments on consent okay then hearing none all those in favor of the consent agenda signify with saying aye okay my response is 5-0 we do need an executive session I move that the select board enter into executive session to discuss the proposed public official appointments pursuant to DSA section 313 A3 to include the unified manager and deputy town manager second on that motion any further discussion and go into executive session to discuss the proposed public official appointment hearing none all those in favor signify with saying aye okay most passes 5-0 we're going to do executive session I think we'll go to the small room upstairs we need to break down very good I break dance