feet up a cliff smooth as glass she didn't fall she wasn't thrown because there was no sound of a splash and she didn't come back from the balcony because her mother and sisters were in front of the only door yet within 15 seconds 15 seconds mind you she just banished you believe that sure I believe it son but it's a fact did you know the girls family oh very well we've got a real English speaking colony here oh by the way in about a half a minute now I'm going to show you your new home can we sit here on a ship oh sure you can man it's on the edge of the cliff Dr. Davis's house is on one side of it and my shacks on the other uh that's why I want to ask you a question of course ask anything you like well I'm an old stager man we're not exactly up to the high tone society around here but do you do you trust me yes I think so well then promise me something unless you're with somebody you do trust keep away from that balcony do you honestly think there's danger I don't know son if I did they wouldn't have to talk to me sound like a dog barking I thought I heard it before what is a big police dog and led by a very handsome woman if you ask me oh lord here she is again oh the countess she lives in our colony she looks like an American you take your eyes off for Tom Courtney she isn't American married a count part cheesy or something like that just call her Nelly my dear Mr. Granger hello Nelly it's true everybody told me so but I couldn't believe it until I saw her she does look exactly like poor Josephine Adams just as small just as dainty as clean as is everybody trying to give me the jitters Nelly I want you to meet some friends of mine oh you don't need to introduce me I know who they are you're the nice young couple who've taken that bit off I'm Nelly McCabe oh yes this is my dog Tiberius named after the wicked Roman emperor you know who used to live at Capri I must confess I'm terribly fascinated by wicked things aren't you Mr. Courtney Lucy stop digging me in my ribs I haven't done anything no and you're not going to Tiberius seems to have taken quite a fancy to you Mrs. Courtney I've never known him to go to a stranger before I only wish I could borrow him he might be at charm against no I don't know we'll be at the harbour in a few minutes then you must let me drive you up to the villa you won't be able to get any servants I'm afraid because they won't stay there but you can camp out look there's the villa we're passing it now we're on the cliff where I'm pointing wait a minute I don't know if there's something to say that's not the villa for Gacy it sure is son that's a palace like all the other houses there and I rented it furnished for about twenty five dollars a month can't you guess why you got it so cheap son if you take my advice you'll turn around and go back to Nathan's by the next steamer Harry Granger don't be an idiot let's have some excitement let's have some excitement Tom is beautiful too infinitely beautiful as you asked me there's the balcony it's all right by daylight son marble and tapestries and whatnot but at night when you gotta put out the lights you start thinking what happened the moon over country makes a definitely daylight you can see to read on that balcony if anyone went out there frosted glass doors open out on it from a big room on the ground floor two determinedly calm persons and a dog sit looking at each other Lucy stop it stop what stop looking over at that balcony I'm sorry darling why are we sitting here anyway there's an outer room that's much more comfortable it's like having a toothache a very little toothache I may be dense Daniel but I don't follow you you put your tongue against the tooth to see if it'll hurt you know it will hurt but you go on doing it just the same that's not maybe all right oh Tom did you ever think we'd have a lovely house like this and the house is all right yes then they have to go and spoil everything our honeymoon this blasted Tommy rock about your jittery now as I was this afternoon even Tiberius is jittery yes I guess I am easy boy easy easy well there's whiskey on the table in a minute not just now there's nothing wrong with that balcony suppose you walked out there this minute I've had a horrible longing to try it just because I know I shouldn't nothing could attack you all you have to do would be yeah or better bring Mr. Granger out on his balcony like a shot and the neighbor on the other side of this who is on the other side by the way a specialist in brain diseases dr. David the evening is easy Tiberius Tom I'm afraid it's all right darling you hold Tiberius as collar while I open the door evening Mr. Courtney good evening Mrs. Courtney I'm no ghost I'm mainly your neighbor Dr. Rutherford Davis oh yes of course I trust you will harden this intrusion no one answered my knock so I I ventured to come in it's no intrusion Dr. Davis Mr. Courtney I wish I could say you work at Capri but I have a very different message well if you value Mrs. Courtney's life you'll go back to Naples immediately sir not you too I do not say that as a ghost hunter sir I say it as a medical man may I sit down oh of course please do thank you we seem to be forgetting our manners Dr. Davis will you will you have a drink oh thank you perhaps a small whiskey I'll get it darling you sit down and talk to Dr. Davis you're not going back into that room alone I'm only going to get the drinks Tom I promise to be good and Tiberius can come with me can't you Tiberius oh I see your father Tiberius my count is too easy yes she was kind enough to offer him excuse me I'll be back in a minute come on Tiberius hi I hope this is all right doctor no sir it is not all right your wife is in very great danger but why because of that balcony and no because she looks exactly like the late Josephine Adams I don't get it and Mr. Courtney did you ever hear of paranoia it's some kind of mental disease isn't it the paranoic begins by imagining that he or she is being persecuted by someone first she shares things a voice in his brain whispers you'll be killed you will be killed you will be killed he hears it in the thick of a clock in the rattle of a train in the footsteps on the street there are holes in the walls the riches anyway is always watching invisible speaking tubes bringing messages there are paintings in his joints and nightmares of attempts to poison him his brain bursts and he kills he kills he kills excuse me for speaking so strongly but how does this affect us and Mr. Courtney will you uh will you examine this sheet of paper what is it the fragment of a type written dowry I found it on the cliffs months ago don't ask me who wrote it but I know there's a criminality on this island you imagine the poor inoffensive Josephine Adams was his enemy so he killed her killed her oh I don't know and what happened to the girl's body I'm not a detective sir the body was carried out to sea perhaps or washed along the cliffs into the blue grotto to be lost but don't you understand the danger to your wife you're not suggesting that if somebody's cracked brain your wife is Josephine Adams create it all over again too you see but it couldn't be done it was done my friend sounded like a dog how mrs. Courtney is rather a long time in getting that whiskey she would do another balcony she promised not to go out on the balcony people do very perverse things my friend when they know they shouldn't lose it that seems to be tight barriers out on the balcony I I can't see anything else from here she's gone she's gone she's gone a howling dog at a sea turn clear silver under the moon in after the tumult and the shouting there are other pictures don't you hear the noise of that motor launch with a half demented young man at the wheel three other familiar figures are gathered around it don't you recognize the brunette prettiness of Nellie the case of the fight 10 gallon hat of harry granger and the neat pointy beard of doctor but what on earth is he going to do out here in this motorboat I'd like to know that myself listen please all of you now take it easy so we're with you what time is it time yes what time is it about two in the morning going on for three twelve hours then the tide ought to be just where it was this afternoon where's the time got to do the whole lot somebody set a trap and make lucy fall off that balcony I know it oh that's absurd if Lucy's been carried out to see there's nothing we can do about it but if she's been carried along with the current and into the blue grotto of one moment sir you're not proposing to run this big launch under that arch after dark yes doctor that's just exactly it go on do it I'll back you up let's have some excitement to be exciting enough I'll show you mr. Coatee have you got some wild hope of recovering your wife's body I've even got a wild hope she may be alive Lucy's a very strong swim directing like a nurse and get set everybody I'm going to swing around we're in the killer hour better hold tight I've got to block my own head when we go through everybody else walk down my stroke test against this don't you understand mr. Coatee get ready here we go oh blue grotto it's a blackish pitch my dear nanny I kept trying to tell all of you the blue grotto effect is caused by the sun's rays there never is one except when the sun is out uh just how does our friend propose to find anything in the earth listen something got pulled to the side of the boat I I felt it move not the dead girl I trust there's a hand here a wet hand Lucy she's not alive mr. Ranger help me lift her up over the side easy easy now don't hit the boat Lucy Lucy are you all right are you all right Lucy can you hear me all right just exhausted I thought in here I couldn't swim out against the current I don't try to talk I've got to talk going to fame who's with you only our friends who's with you it's the matter with you I was just wondering the same thing to be shut up in the dark at three o'clock in the morning with a criminal lunatic now Lucy got home so tight let don't you I'll get the boat started and have you out of here in a second only Dr. Davis oh I got to tell you I know how back that girl Josephine Adam is anybody here for some brandy or a flashlight I have a flashlight my friend will you allow me as a medical man to reach out my mrs. Courtney you better keep back which is the second not this she's a cover give me the flashlight please I walked into the other room nobody with me all alone except my period yes Lucy somebody call my name from the balcony I thought I saw this is could you recognize the boys and you better start up this boat and try to pay any attention to Lucy nobody can hurt you now I went out in the balcony the bright moonlight bright as day but there was nobody there nobody on the balcony no I looked out over the sea and then something came at me something flew out of the air and came at me just one moment before mrs. Courtney goes on is anybody in this boat carrying a revolver not that I know of excuse my mentioning it but I felt something metal like a revolver brush past my hand we took only the flashlight excuse me it was not a flashlight mr. Courtney's got the flashlight would you please let Lucy go on and finish Lucy you're on the balcony and something came at you yes like a snake sideways off the air it went over my head fast and run my neck it was a rope with a running loose in it a rope it was thrown from another balcony I'm small and light like Josephine Adams but pull me sideways and over the rail I fell I think I begin to understand you couldn't see what happened to Josephine Adams frosted glass door balcony so they couldn't see I think it easy now you're perfectly safe but you should perfectly safe the murderer let her fall in the rope but the rope was jerk tight long before she struck the water that broke her neck then the murderer lowered her softly so there wasn't any splash and the current took her away rope no that's it what happened to me only the rope must have sent to the murderers fingers through whose fingers what did I tell you somebody in this boat has got a revolver who's on the board somebody went to the switch on my plate my friend and ran it on the water all I doubted they should like look at it turning over and over the water in the blue grotto is red now what's all like you see I swear you're safe enough now did it shoot himself yes did who shoot himself who had a balcony exactly like ours on the house next door who began life as a cow puncher and would have known how to use a lasso yes a new Josephine Adams well and got it into his maniacs head that mrs. Courtney was Josephine Adams all over again harry granger look there's his 10 gallon hat floating away and so ends the bride vanishes a story of mysterious doing tonight columbia brings you as a guest star peter lorry one of the screen's past masters of the art of suspense suspense is compounded of mystery and intrigue and dangerous adventure in this series of stories calculated to intrigue you to stir your nerves to offer you a precarious situation and then withhold the solution until the last possible moment tonight for instance mr. lorry plays for us a doctor a husband with something dark and terrible on his mind was it murder and if so can this at last be the really perfect crime we trust that while you are wondering we shall keep you in or suspense tonight cbs presents till death do us part by john bixon car starring peter lorry late one night in december of 1941 a man and his wife sat beside the fire in their country cottage this man look at him a professor of mathematics stout middle-aged guileless as a child in the remote corner of england where he lives with his pretty english wife they say of him jolly beef and fellow you know for a farmer isn't he always a smile for everybody and so polite that's why it's such a shame about his wife and that young americans there hasn't been anything between them yet i'm almost sure but if the american stays here much longer hey man this professor craft his cottage in the country is rather isolated three miles from the nearest house no electricity or central heating or telephone and on december nights like this a great wind comes rushing off the suffix down rattles at the window growls in the chimney and makes unsteady the oil lamp on the table professor Owen craft sits before the fire in a snug bookline room and across from him sewing sits his young wife Cynthia the domestic scene a very domestic scene oh my pet this is wonderful isn't it oh so nice and cozy how i enjoy our little home it's a pleasure to be indoors on a night like this isn't it my darling have a good day just about as usual no adventures huh not exactly i walked into the village walked oh i really blame myself for burying you out here how to get your car but that's not necessary thanks come now come did something happen to upset my little pet today no no no you know darling i look at you and i marvel you marvel at what at a wife who can actually blush yes with a skin so fair in a conscience so transparent that she can actually blush i wasn't blushing about about what but anything you might be thinking it's your horrible habit of putting everybody else in the wrong oh but the neighbors don't think that about proper craft neighbors don't have to live with you i do and you mustn't scratch either not when we are so snubby so cozy in a kettle on a fire is nearly boiling and the rum is ready and the lemon juice and the sugar for her medicine oh and must i drink that stuff i don't like rum but you have a cold darling i haven't got a cold really i haven't now darling twice today i heard your cough uh you are going to take your medicine Cynthia and take it here and now and not offend your clumsy old husband by refusing why do you keep on treating me like a girl of 16 i love to treat you like that Cynthia because uh because i cannot fathom your thoughts you'll lock up your thoughts and that is a dangerous english habit you see thoughts accumulate and won't be stifled and sooner or later when you leave excuse me but i can't get it boiling over so it is oh and please lift it down from there of course of i apologize i apologize my darling there for a second you know you almost frightened me i frightened you i suppose it's foolish well here we are my dear here we are now see i put two tumblers on the coffee table and now a spoon in each so that the heat doesn't crack them i see a master give me so much rum i thought i had a small one but we have to cure that cold of your Cynthia now comes the lemon juice yes and now comes hot water to the top here we are now and two lamps of sugar for each of us there you are darling now let's drink up i didn't hear anything i did it it came from that cupboard over there it sounded like you're recording oh that's nonsense darling that's nonsense there it is again well that's only the wind or or perhaps a rat that's got into the cupboard oh and i'm terrified of rats go and kill it would you mind oh you really sick very heavy labors my sweet for one of my ways well well if you insist all right i'll take a good heavy focus from the fireplace and of course it means a little twist through the cover oh and never mind you haven't changed your mind have you it'd probably run out across the floor come back wouldn't run very far i'm sure well again if you insist i can't think what's the matter with me tonight no no there's sure nothing upsetting the village today huh excuse me not how about uh the young american that uh fledgling doctor what's his name you mean dr craig that's it dr craig dr craig didn't someone say he was leaving today for london and and i'm back to the state i believe so that's what lady randall told me and you didn't see goodbye to him sit me not wow that wasn't kind of you darling that wasn't friendly but you matter don't you like my nice hot one drink no but you've given me no peace till i do drink that's right darling that's right now take it down like a good girl i'm keeping you company see oh how pretty she looks with her yellow hair in the firelight in her red mouth and the light little hands very pretty oh uh there's just one other thing since you i i gave you a letter to post this afternoon did you post it yes registered yes and uh did you notice when the letter was addressed everybody notices the address on an envelope it was to say mr hadaby at market ship it that's right but i don't know who he is if that's what you mean oh mr hadaby is uh the coroner of this district the coroner that's right that's right but is there any reason why you should be writing letters to the coroner well there will be tomorrow morning we have to be just drinking poison i know why do you drop your gas on me i don't believe you no this was interesting to you you were a train nurse and weren't you uh you see the poison was ackonite among you no yes home grown in our own little garden you know one sixteenth of a grain has been a fatal dose this is terrible yeah no car not even a neighbor exactly my angel take your hands off me let me get up you know my pet in about five minutes you see the the first symptoms will come on symptoms yes our throat will grow dry our eyes have returned in no and presently we'll lose the use of our limbs well there are convulsions before the end i believe that he won't see them let me help if if you try to hit it to me angel you'll upset that lamp and well if you upset the lamp this cottage would go up like tinder we don't want to burn to death do we and why are you doing this why are you doing it why do you think all proper craft is blind my pet huh if i can't have you think there nobody else is going to have you you mean jim craig so this jim craig that was nothing my concept a cynic would say my dear that your foot slipped do you think i don't know what happened the other night at the schoolhouse yes the market shepherd schoolhouse at lady randall slow concert in aid of the war relief nothing happened i swear it didn't snow oh then it was coincidence i suppose that you and that dr craig didn't arrive until the concert was nearly over yes it was we didn't go there together no we met in the little hall outside the auditorium it was just as you were finishing your number on the accord i break your pardon it seems so dodger i almost bumped into you who's met mrs craig yes he didn't dr craig we we seem to be late very late i'm afraid i i was detained on a case i didn't see like coming here at all but that's the moment before i open that door for you won't it look a little funny our arriving here together funny why should it be no reason at all only send me a listen to you you know dr craig it's the first time you ever called me by my first name i did want to have a word with you somehow of course you've heard the news what news i'm already over the past couple of days we're too far out to get much new reason my husband isn't interested he isn't interested he isn't interested in anything but himself i probably didn't talk that day about my husband i'm sorry would you push the door open maybe lady Randolph is saying something i'm sure we've all enjoyed our friend professor claus musical numbers on the accordion and the victors conjuring trick it only remains only to tell you that the collection for this little entertainment will amount to this we get to the thompson what is it to the thompson's going across the platform rather hurry the flag is not in the sunshine just receives some late news by the nine o'clock bulletin i think i can guess for you following yesterday's declaration against japan the congress of the united states today declared war against germany and italy no policies i think i can say that these things go too deep for applause we entered a war lightly and we have learned but before the victor ends this meeting i shall ask the officer to play us the strong numbered 83 in the book a song we know is dear to the hearts of all americans jim this doesn't affect you naturally of course you won't be leaving england probably in a very short time i'll be needing doctors but does it form a declaration of war make any difference what does it mean to you what does it mean i can't explain it since it's all in that song if they're going to meet me i'll go back but can't you do just as much good here in england i don't know that depends on what the army says and doesn't anything depend on what i see we haven't got much time since the other that probably i'll commit yes and we won't admit it will we admit what admit how we feel about each other i haven't said nor i i was only talking about what we were thinking no we won't admit it you say you can't explain about the war i can't explain about this don't try it's better this way oh and being very good to me he's such a childlike person yes everybody likes him oh he has this temper not easy to live with sometimes in spite of what they think like can't do anything to hurt him because he'd never do anything to hurt me never never never in the world a very fair estimate of my character few that's exactly what i said about you so you are in love with that fellow i admit it now yes tell me darling do you feel anything yet feel anything i mean uh blindness muscular contraction of the throat yes all right so too i won't die i won't and how do you propose to stop yourself your only chance would be to reach the village infirmary and i'll see to it that you don't get there but what if the poison takes you before it takes me then you can't stop me but it won't darling you seem terribly sure of that you see the amount i gave you as you perhaps noticed was more than i gave myself i'm going to follow you my little pet into the dark where there are no dr jim craigs but not too quickly i shall still have most of my faculty sent you when your convulsions already begin oh i wonder if you will why do you say that your legs don't seem any too steady uh but i know this must be the heat of uh the fire perhaps so it's very hot in this room since you seen your darling listen to me yes i went there there is a copy of of Taylor's medical jurisprudence on the there over on the shelf there please please get it for me i'm afraid you'll have to get it for yourself my dear that is if you can i'll get it uh mind the lamp urban we don't want the house fire just as you said yourself i'll mind the lamp uh listen to me you know some people's systems aren't tolerant to poison the the experience in minutes would ought to take hours does it hurt urban does it hurt but you'll find out soon enough my pet because because you'll never make three months to the village never you think not i know it then and just remember in a dark and cold where there is neither marriage nor giving in in marriage i'll be waiting for my little pig i love you i'm afraid of you but i don't want you to die because of me you are too erwin i'm not going to join you i've never prayed much erwin but i'm praying now whatever comes over my wits and makes my senses weak give me strength enough to get to the village strength enough to get to the village an empty room now except for the motionless figure of the fire the great wind enters through an open front door makes the lamp shape dangerously on the tables the whole house creaks otherwise it is very quiet suddenly the corpse sits up as a craft looks pleased doesn't he very pleased very alert as he moves over to a certain cupboard door well and now i think the real fun can begin patience patience patience my friend while i open the cupboard door well there we are i hope you haven't been too uncomfortable doctor james craig i'm all right thanks so you managed to get the gag out of your mouth huh i managed it yes just now i'm too late well you are still securely tied up i'm glad to say you know you gave me several very very unpleasant moments young man when you when you got your foot on it accordion did i well think you thought you were a rat and wanted me to kill you you know she shows very defense sometimes i could hear both of you talking thanks very much of course you could of course excuse me please i i forgot that just so i could see you too for a crack in the door well you were intended to see it but now come on first of all i'll drag you out yes now let me take you now we can sit down and have a nice cozy little chat how much i can i did you give sent here how much oh about uh two brains too too great well then she can't follow no she can't possibly live until morning but she can live long enough to testify that she saw me die and how much poison did you take yourself i none none at all no none at all but you mix those things out of the same materials that's all you do well but there was many poisoning around young men you see two lumps of sugar steaming acrylite were dropped into sinker's gas i marked them and i didn't make a mistake can you see the beginnings of poppercrafts plan why you you see uh sent here left the door open my friends and there is a very strong wind blowing tonight well just observe i'd lift the table covers flutter the magazines make the lamp tremble i shouldn't be surprised you know if uh if one of those lamps blew over a fine crash in a sheet of flame and when they come here tomorrow morning after sinker's testimony in my letter to the coroner they'll expect to find at least uh at least a few charred bones among the ruins and of course they must find some remains whose remains yours yes you've got me piled up for the well haven't you and now you see now comes the best you were last seen going through a railway station to london and then to america nobody nobody will inquire after you except simpher that's right except sinker who will be dead that i weighed you and brought you here while sinker was in a village will not be known to our good coroner and i shall disappear what do you think of it young man i think it's rather good huh you're going to let me burn to death yes and i shall enjoy the necessity by the way too bad you missed my performance at lady randall's concert it was very nice but uh and i think you were otherwise occupied you could call it that occupied i think you're making love to my wife you hurt my vanity young man and you're going to suffer for it i'd never make love to your wife no no but i don't suppose you could possibly believe that are you already begging for mercy now come on now come on are you begging for mercy no i think not dr craig i don't like the way you're taking this i really don't don't you know you want to be afraid all decent men should be afraid and no man is heroic when he sees death coming but you are as white as a plate can't take your eyes off me and seem to be expecting something maybe i am expecting something you know well i think i can persuade you to tell me what's on your mind my friends if i use the poker out of the fire you see see i'm a mathematician i leave nothing to chance do you hear that professor crafts a car has stopped out in front well they won't come in here but of course they will it's probably the home guard look you fool you've left the front door standing wide open in a blackout don't be childish do you think you've set me with that something's upset you take a look at yourself in a mirror nothing nothing can upset my plans now everything is already my clothes and my money are in a stable this place this pretty little college will be a furnace all i have to do is all i have to do is pick up that lamp you see like this and nothing is wrong with me you're not acting this time are you you're not pretending now you you swine what have you done to me i have done that you you have done something to me i i can feel it yeah there is sweat all over me but my throat's choking but it's only black not my wife's voice it was Cynthia's voice what is wrong with finding there was nothing wrong with it all right it can be it isn't possible but it is you see your plans didn't include the fact that Cynthia doesn't like wrong remember you point a very large drink for her and a small one for yourself and you fill both glasses with hot water but remember when she got that you believe her come over to this cupboard she changed the glasses you're the one who followed the poison two grains of akina no help me please nothing on earth can save you help me please in the name of please please please help me nothing on earth can save you no you won't then and then i'll show you i'll take you with me everybody with me where you go oh i'll get that lamp i'll take you with me i look at you you can't even see you're blind you're staggering straight into that cupboard i'll take you i'll take you with me you doing here come in Cynthia come in and take a look at the man who died twice so and till death to us part starring Peter Laurie tonight's story i'll suspect columbia presents these tales of mystery and intrigue and dangerous adventure for your relaxation and enjoyment next Tuesday there'll be another in this series same hour 9 30 eastern wartime mr lorry was starred as professor craft he was supported by alice frost as Cynthia david gathers is dr craig and mercedes mccaimbridge is lady randolph william spear the producer john beats the director but not firm in the composer conductor and john dixon carly author are collaborated on suspense this is the columbia broadcasting system tonight columbia brings you his guest star hollywood's genial character stewart urwin the story is by the author of the thin man and the malty's falcon dashel hammett one of america's acknowledged masters of the art of suspense suspense is compounded of mystery and intrigue and dangerous adventure in this series our stories calculated to intrigue you to stir your nerves to offer you a precarious situation and then withhold the solution until the last possible moment tonight for instance stewart urwin plays for us a pleasant easygoing assistant chief of police in a small town who to everyone's surprise was instrumental in solving a murder we trust that with this tale we shall keep you in suspense for suspense tonight cbs presents stewart urwin in two sharp knives by dashel hammett shortly after two a.m a poker game had just broken up at ben candeliz the doctor coroner of dearwood city scott anderson dearwood's chief of police and walley shane his assistant was standing where are we heading for scott smoke cross street walley railroad station she aren't you afraid of the excitement chief don't you think that watching the two eleven come in as they have to be too much for your blood pressure well it is walley you can always carry on you've been a pretty good imitation of an assistant to me for some time now yeah yeah if anything happens to me you'd be the chief don't worry you'll be any harder for you to fool the public as chief hi hammer howdy scott hello walley can't leave you boys to be around in it no i don't know we sort of figured we'd put the town to bed tonight how's the two eleven on time right on the nose you ought to be blowing for the bend in just about three seconds now yep what'd i tell you it's her now expecting anyone on her scott no i'm not expecting anyone or and i just thought we'd come over and watch a commandment so you know you never can tell who might get off though dick turpin and henley morgan jesse james dick jack the ripper or six officers of mortem murder incorporated or even your end just in this year right walley well there she been pardon me i gotta be rolling the wagon out to the baggage car i can't complain i can't complain cat well maybe you can tell me but i sure can if you hold us up with that phrase there i got much more nope this is the last piece now see you tomorrow man what do you see what i see i mean do i see the man who just got off that plane the answers yes well he's a ringer for the guy we got a picture of that is the guy well then what do we do now we take him walley my car is at the corner of the alley but scott tell him up the street okay scott there he goes now we're toward the taxi stand come on let's follow him hello farman oh all right i don't know that's a farman aren't you yes i am can it help you yes i'm scott anderson chief please what chief of what's happened to her happened to who oh oh no you don't let me go you think you can pull that sort of stuff we'll see you very much you think no oh no no no no wait a minute wait a minute hold it honey well farman all right i am sorry for a moment there i thought you weren't really a policeman thanks nice to know i look almost human yes it it was silly of me i'm sorry well let's get going now before anything else happens okay for him and getting the car i'll drive scott here you go how are you taking me to police headquarters right what for philadelphia i uh i don't think i understand you understand that you want it in philadelphia for murder don't you murder why that's ridiculous let's who told you that well it's a sin she didn't make it up but wait there there must be no we will get down to headquarters and i'll show you what i mean here's the circular on lester firman it was sent out by the trans america detective agency in philadelphia take a look at it oh yeah 1500 reward for the arrest and conviction of lester firman alias loyd fields alias j.d carpenter for the for the murder of paul frank dunlap in philadelphia on december 8th 1942 yeah it's a lie it's a farman aren't you oh yes but that's your picture on the circular isn't it oh yes yes but i got out you see you and while he got farman huh no i don't judge you're lucky stiffs now you too split a grand and a half reward i've never seen nothing like it you know but ain't vacations in new york at the city's expense it's reward though judge someday if you don't remember you're the jailer around here not the da you're going to be wearing your teeth on the outside of your lips and i'll be the guys who arrange in that way savvy just cause you're caught a guy who's hot in philadelphia it's a lie it's a frame up you can't prove anything there's nothing to prove i never killed anybody i won't be free i won't be farman take it easy you're wasting your breath on us save it for the philadelphia police we're just holding you for them but it's not the police it's the trans-american detective turn you over to the philadelphia police mr anderson i well then then there's nothing i can do now nothing any of us can do it all morning you have to set you now then we won't bother any more till they come for you bother why are you through his bag i'll see what he's got in his pockets okay scott well he's got on i'm on some business cards few letters a hundred and hundred and sixty dollars a book of checks in the philadelphia bank and a few odds and ends watch with the bag welly not much a couple of changes of clothes and toilet articles and oh here's a 38 loaded pretty little thing isn't it okay put those things what i got in the vault all right george you can take for him and i'll unlock him up this is the most ridiculous come on darling come on we ain't had nobody in our little who's girl for three days run hey uh they'll have it all to yourself just like a sweet of the rich come on in you go i tell you you you're making a mistake i demand to be allowed to get in touch with my lawyer hey how about you boys cutting me in on a little of that blood money huh no sure george sure i'll forget all about that two and a half you've been on me for three months make for him as comfortable as you can george they could carry him he's valuable huh and i was some bomb that didn't mean a nickel to you george any day now i'm gonna forget that your uncle is county chairman and throw you back in a gutter just to see how high he'll bounce i'm out of that oh scott i i didn't mean that that's all george i'm on the rest i'm going home now if anything's urgent i can reach there but get this i don't want to be disturbed unless it is urgent well what what time is it it's five after six in the morning and you'd better come on down scott that fellow ferrman's hung himself what women hung himself yep i'd be right in molly phone doc camsley and tell him i'll pick him up i'm a way down no doctor and i won't hurt to have him look that you'd better phone the chronic court at dogginsville too and file a routine report already did this da i would have before you hang up while he see hot under the collar what's he planning about oh he's just mad running up quite a phone bill on his tube in calling philadelphia every couple of minutes since he got here what kept you so long i couldn't get the car started well let's go in and see the old buzzard no ted listen scott what is all this oh what there's some funny business going on here what's funny about it man hangs himself just another case of sure it was suicide but i just telephoned trans america dug a guy out of bed there and he said they'd never send out circulars on ferrman didn't know about any murder he was wanted for all they could tell me about him was he used to be a client of theirs i don't know what to say ted i don't either oh a fine chief of police you are what on earth kept you so long cost or game as quick as it could i think she's so crabby to nothing i guess it's just a district attorney you know now come come gentlemen nobody'd know you two are staunch admirers of each other okay warley tell me what do you make of it well there's plenty wrong scott first that trans america team they never sent out circulars about ferrman and now get this i talked to the philly police just before you came in there wasn't even any paul frank dunlap murdered it wasn't no what did you get out of ferrman before you let him hang himself and he was innocent didn't you grill him didn't you find out what he was doing in town walley didn't you what floor he admitted he was ferrman the description fitted him the photograph was him the trans america detective agency is supposed to be on the level ain't it philadelphia wanted ferrman we didn't put sky sure ted if i don't know he was going to hang himself yeah but then if your aunt wore pants you'd be your uncle he said ferrman had been that client of trans america they tell you what the job they did for him was his wife left him a couple of years ago and he had them hunting for her for five or six months but they never found her they're sending a man up here tonight to look things over yeah yes well i'm going out and grab a quick bite but i might as well tell you scott there's going to be trouble over this i know that ted usually is when somebody dies in the jail so what's become of that 5800 fish now scott what happened there last night george nothing ferrman hung himself did you find him uh-huh walley took a look in here to see how things was before he went off duty and he found him he was asleep i suppose well i was catching a nap i guess but everybody does that sometimes scott even walley sometimes when he comes in off his beat between rounds yeah but i always wake up when the phone rings or anything oh sure well suppose i had been awake can't hear a guy hanging himself can you and i can't really say how long ferrman had been dead he'd done it about five o'clock he said he guessed oh you want to look at the remain scott they're over at fritz has undertaken paula not now hey and speaking of ferrman why are you going to tell the guys from trans america when they show up here tonight come in come in they they told me i find you here you're a chief anderson aren't you nice that's right i'm karl riesing assistant manager of the trans america detective agency in philadelphia this is mr wheelock who was less deferment's personal attorney very nice mr riesing how do you do mr wheelock how do you do i know you gentlemen are already in possession of most of the details concerning mr felon from the time he arrived in dearwood until the time of his death but perhaps you don't know that the police of most towns in our corner of the state have also received copies of this same reward circular take a look at it oh i must say this circular is an excellent forgery you're sure it's a forgery mr riesing oh yes there's no doubt about it but it's an excellent forgery tell me mr wheelock was mr felon a native philadelphia no my yes he was a well known respectable and prosperous citizen of philadelphia married i believe in 1934 he married a 22 year old girl named ethyl bryan daughter of a philadelphia family and if i'm said a child isn't that right mr wheelock yes born in 1936 but the child lived only a few months mr felon's wife disappeared after the child's death and what year was it that she disappeared mr riesing should remember that his agency worked on the matter oh i remember it well mrs ferman disappeared in 1937 we never heard anything of her again although ferman spent a lot of money trying to locate her what you look like mr riesing just a moment i have a picture of her right here in my briefcase here it is quite pretty isn't she if you care for that time let me see what you mean mr wheelock i think she's attracted with that judging by this photo i'd say that she was a small featured pretty brown with a weak mouth and large so much staring eyes that's an accurate enough description all right if you don't mind i'd like to have a copy made of that photograph mr riesing oh you can keep that one if you like it's one that we had made up the trans america her description's on the back thanks did ferman have a divorce her no sir he was a lot in love with her and he seemed to think that the child's dying made her a little screwy so that she didn't know what she was doing that's right isn't it mr wheelock that is my belief mr riesing he said ferman had money mr wheelock but how much did he have and who gets it i should say his estate will amount to perhaps a half a million dollars left in its entirety to his wife it's quite a handy song for anyone i have i'd say mr wheelock everything shows that somebody framed for him into the day would jail that frame up drove him to suicide but there has to be something else a lot else well then what are you going to do i'm going across the street to the undertaking parlor never look at farman i'll see you later oh doc thanks god i figured you'd come over here to the undertaker pretty soon send your mind out let's get out of this crowd i want to tell you something i just got rid of two guys in my office let's go back there suits me two of those bruises showed scott what bruises ferman we're up under the hair there were there were two bruises why don't you tell me i'm telling you now scott we weren't here when i made my examination this is the first time i've seen you since then why don't you spill this stuff about ferman's bruises when you were testifying at the inquest then i'm a friend of yours do i want to put you in a spot where people can say you drove this chapter suicide by third degree and too rough ah you're nuts how bad this woman's it well scott uh that didn't kill him that's what you mean there's nothing to matter with his skull just a couple of bruises nobody had noticed and unless they parted the hair i thought you ought to know though yeah thanks ben yes who is it this is threads the undertaker listen scott there's a couple of ladies over here that wanted to take a look at ferman is it all right who are they i don't know i'm strangers what do they want to see him for i don't know why do you want to see him well i ferman's wife yes oh oh oh certain i'll be right over so long ben i've got to go back to the undertaker so long scott hey scott what do you want wally i want to talk to you a minute over here where we won't be seen okay what is it a couple of dames came into fritz's undertaking place just as i was leaving one of them's hot char randall a babe with a record as long as your arm she's one of that mob you had me working on a new york last summer she know you sure but not by my right name she thinks i'm a detroit room runner i mean did you recognize you just now i don't think she saw me anyway she didn't give me a tumble you don't know the other one no she's a blonde kind of pretty okay wally stick around a while but stay out of sight maybe i'll be bringing these dolls back with me whatever you say chief all day last scott i wondered for you when you were coming uh this is mrs ferman and this is mrs crawler how do you do hi chief they just saw the body mrs crawler i thought your name was randall what do you care chief i'm not hurting your cowl any don't call me chief you silly slickies i'm the town witler thank you for letting me see him it's all right mrs ferman but i have to ask you and your friends some questions so if you'll just come across the street the headquarters we'll get on with the routine i ask any questions i want to tell you something mrs ferman your husband didn't commit suicide he was murdered murdered ah chief we got alibis we were in new york and we can prove it and you're likely to get a chance to what brought you down here anyway murdered well ho's got a better right to come down here she was still his wife wasn't she she's got a right to look out for her own interests hasn't she uh it reminds me of something excuse me second uh i've got to make a phone call in the next room this is scott yes is walley around how to keep out of sight tell walley i want him to go to new york tonight send mason home to get some sleep he'd have to take over walley's night trick no mr randerson mr randerson do you think i had had anything to do with lester's with his death i don't know mrs ferman i know he was killed i also know i'd have you something like half a million wow dollars dollars all right chief let's stop clown the kid here didn't have a thing to do with whatever you think happened no no we read about lester ferman committing suicide and yesterday morning's paper and about there being something funny about it and i persuaded her she ought to come down to deal with him i wouldn't have done anything to hurt lester i left him because i wanted to leave him i wouldn't have done anything to hurt him for for money or anything else had i wanted money from him i would only have had to ask him for it that's a truth chief for years i've been telling apple she was a chump not to tap him but she never would i wouldn't have hurt him why'd you leave him i don't know how to say it the way we live wasn't the way i wanted to live i wanted oh i don't know what anyway after the baby died i i couldn't stand it anymore excuse me hello oh yeah i'm a you gave one of the message yes yes i wanted to go to new york tonight okay where is he oh he is home huh okay thanks thanks this is a foreman at this circular got your husband in a jail have you ever seen that picture before no well that's i can't be it's a snapshot i had have it's an enlargement of it who else has one nobody that i know of i don't think anyone else could have one you've still got yours yes don't remember whether i've seen it recently it's with some old papers and things i must have it promise us for a minute stuff like that that's got to be checked up near of us can dodge it there's two ways we can play it yes this pardon i can hold you here on suspicion until i've had time to investigate things or i can send one of our men with you to check up in new york yes i'm willing to do that if you'll speed things up by helping them all you can you'll be a promise you won't try any tricks i promise i'm as anxious all right all right how'd you come down we drove down we got a great big car that's my car see that big green job across the street yeah and my man can ride back with you but no funny business oh i don't worry chief come on they're going to see what he's saying the man is going to drive to new york with you yeah scott molly ladies first careful now you're not now you're not only just reaching without gun molly already got you covered i guess you win scott yeah i guess i do come along back to headquarters with me like good little boy molly you're under arrest for murder the minute i saw those two dames going into fritz's then when i was dug in on a site i ran into you and i was afraid you take me over there with you so i had to tell you one of them knew me figured you'd want to keep me undercover for a little while anyhow long enough for me to get out of town why didn't you get out molly well i dropped in home to pick up a couple of things before i scram and that phone call of hammels catches me and when i fall for it you see scott i figured you're not on to me yet and they're gonna send me back to new york to see what dope i can get out of the dames well you're pulling me brother and i thought you'd fall for that then you didn't just stumble into all this accidentally did you know i didn't want it i figured permanent had to be murdered by a copper no reward circuit was well enough to make a good job of forging one incidentally we printed that permanent circular for you molly now i'm not dragging anyone in with me there's only a poor mug that needed dough okay why you see i knew only a copper would be sure enough of the routine to know how things would be handled only one of my coppers would be able to walk in a firm and sell bang him across the head and string him up on the those bruises showed you know they did i guess i should have wrapped two towels around that blackjack well jeez scott i seem to have slipped up on a lot of things so that narrows you down to my coppers and um well you told me you knew the randler one there it was and i figured you were working with him i thought you liked this wally same thing that gets most saps into jams again for easy dough and i was in new york see scott working that dutton job for you palling around with big shot racketeers passing for one of them and yes well i got to figuring that my work takes more brains than theirs and they're taking in big money and i'm working for coffee and cakes that kind of stuff gets you scott anyway it got me then i ran into this ethyl firman and she goes for me like a house afar i liked her too see so that's dandy but one night she tells me about how much dough her husband's got and how he feels about her and i get to thinking thinking why i think she's nuts enough about me to marry me so i get to thinking suppose he died and left her his role i see so i run down to philly a couple of afternoons and look firman up and everything looks fine i took my time working out the details meanwhile right into her through a fella in detroit gone finish one well i decided to do it i sent those circulars out to a lot of places not wanting to point too much to this one and then when i was ready i phoned firman telling him to come to dearwood hotel that night and sometime before the next night he'd hear from his wife ethyl i knew he'd fall for any trap that was baited with her only i guess i'm not as sharp as i thought i was scott maybe oh well maybe uh that doesn't always help old man camsley ben's father used to have a saying to a sharp knife comes a tough steak well sorry you did it why i always liked you i know you did scott i was counting on that so ends natural hammots two sharp knives starings to a heroine tonight's story of suspense columbia presents these tales of mystery and intrigue and dangerous adventure for your relaxation and enjoyment next week suspense will not be heard because of a special holiday broadcast columbia's review of the events of the year 12 crowded months which has been scheduled on 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All right, we're here at Sand Mountain Research and Extension Center, I'm Kent Stanford Extension Specialist, I'm housed here at the station. We've had an interesting project going on this summer here, more of a demonstration project than a research project. We had a 22 acre field that we put into some summer annual grasses, a couple of different varieties of millet, and then a savane grass hybrid as well. We've made high moisture baled out of it, you can see it here in the background, we have it wrapped and staged here so it is convenient for our winter feeding season. Now, one of the issues or considerations when putting up baled or halages is that you need to address wildlife exclusion, is this stuff in sows and the smell gets to be a little stronger. You'll have wildlife that are attracted to that, and we want to be sure that nothing gets in here, opens up any of the plastic and allow oxygen to get into our pack, so it's important that we try to address wildlife exclusion. We've been working out here this morning getting our fence installed. We anticipate being able to feed this 90 or 100 days from now, so that's a critical time that we want to make sure that we've got our halage put up in the right place and that no wildlife do get in there. So, we've brought in Norm Haley, he's our regional extension agent for wildlife and natural resources. Norm's provided kind of a layout and design on our exclusion fence. We'll bring Norm in here next to show you what we've done on our fence this morning. Alright, like Kent said, my name is Norm Haley. I'm the forestry wildlife natural resources agent here in Northeast Alabama. You never kind enough bring me in on this project to look at maybe trying to exclude some of the wildlife issues they have without any other type of measures installed. So, the primary considerations we have here are going to be a raccoon and also a coyote.  We had some poly tape, some poly tape fencing, some round wire fencing, and some of the more standard cables that you have here. Now, the way we've got to keep out raccoons and coyotes can be a little bit different. Of course, a raccoon is a smaller built animal. You've got to make sure they don't come underneath that hot water fence and also don't step over or accrue it. That's why on this outside perimeter, you've got a wire set up at that 4 to 6 inch length and another one at 4 to 6 inches above that. That's going to keep the majority of our raccoons just looking under this without getting hope or also stepping through the wire like they like to. If you get that up about that 6 or that 10 to 12 inch size, they're not going to step over very easy either. As far as the coyotes are concerned, it's ideal that you're really looking to keep coyotes out that are very persistent. You want to fence about 5 to 6 foot high. Using the materials that we have, we don't have insulated posts that we decide to do is come in about 2 foot outside of the perimeter and keep our fence at 2 and a half and then at 3 foot high. What we're looking to do here is one, increase the distance that coyote has to jump while also getting away with a little bit less height. Now, the way we're going to teach these animals the way to avoid these paints and just the kind of issue that they may have, they approach it. One tried and true trick is just take a little bit of aluminum foil and apply a dab of peanut butter to the inside of that foil. It doesn't take much, but it has a pretty strong smell. And then simply wrap that peanut butter and foil right back around that fence. They'll come up there, they'll try to lick it, get a good coat, realize the threat of a fence and hopefully not come back again. The key with setting up an electric fence, whether it's to protect hay lids like we have here, whether it's a small garden or maybe a food clock, is put your fences up early and keep them hot and teach your animals with the peanut butter and foil trick here. Secondly, if we're lucky, we're going to set up some trail cameras here throughout the fence and maybe try to get some reactions to some animals as they come up here and approach it and show y'all how effective the fence can be. Alright, we finished our fence up from earlier that we showed you. We've got our end finished up here as well. I wanted to show you the gate setup that we've got. Again, we may not be going in and out here for another two or three months or longer, so we want to exclude these wildlife that can create issues for us, but we still got to have access on this end. So a very simple gate setup. Since we do need access and this will have to go open and close from time to time, we were not able to do our staggered offset as we did on the other side. So in order to deal with that, we've gone a little higher. You can see that we've got a top strand of poly tape up here. That will help with the coyotes and the coyote attempting to jump over the fence. As we work our way down, our strands get closer and a shorter distance spacing on those strands. Real simple setup here. We've just used a piece of PVC pipe, drilled a hole through it and ran our poly tape through there with a little string to close it, just a traditional wire gap type setup. I'll show you the ease to get in and out. This keeps the strands separated. We've got one of the poly posts there in the middle and we'll walk around for you. So even though this looks like it's fairly complicated at the time and it might get a little twisted when we bring it back, since we're using the PVC pipe instead of individual handles, our fence should work like it's supposed to. It allows us access when it comes time to feed and keeps unwanted critters out.


Elation was an early pioneer in solving some of the most challenging problems in so-called big data. Founded early last decade, the company's metadata management and data catalog have always been considered leading examples of modern tooling by customers and analysts alike. Governance is one area that customers identified as a requirement to extend their use of Elation's platform. And it became an opportunity for the company to expand its scope and total available market. Elation is doing just that today, announcing new data governance capabilities and partner integrations that align with the market's direction of supporting federated governance. In other words, a centralized view of policy to accommodate distributed data in this world of an ever-expanding data cloud, which we talk about all the time in theCUBE. And with me to discuss these trends in this announcement is Satyan Sangani, who's the CEO and co-founder of Elation. Satyan, welcome back to theCUBE. Good to see you. Thank you, Dave, it's great to be back. Okay, so you heard my open. Please tell us about the patterns that you were seeing in the market and what you were hearing from customers that led you in this direction. And then we'll get into the announcement. Yeah, so I think there are really two patterns, right? I mean, when we started building this notion of a data catalog, as you said a decade ago, there was this idea that, you know, metadata management broadly classified as something that belonged in IT, lived in IT and, you know, was essentially managed by IT, right? I always liken it to kind of an inventory management system, you know, within a warehouse relative to Amazon.com, which is obviously broadly published to the business. And so, you know, with the idea of bringing all of this data directly to the business and allowing people arbitrarily depending on their role to use the data, you know, you saw one trend which was just this massive, you know, shift in how much data was available at any given time. I think the other thing that happened was that at the same time data governance, you know, went through a real transitionary phase where there was a lot of demand often spurred by regulations, whether that's GDP, RCCPA or, you know, more recently than that, you know, certainly the Basel Accord. And if you think about all of those regulations, people had to get something into place. Now, what we ended up finding out was when we were selling into an account, people would say, well, guess what? I've got this data governance thing going on, but nobody's really using it. I built this business glossary. It's been three years. Nothing's been really very effective. And, you know, we were never able to get the value and we need to get value because there's so many more people now accessing and using and leveraging the data. And so with that, you know, we started really considering whether or not we needed to build a formal capability in the market and that's what we're announcing today that we're doing.  And if you think back, we were there as you were in the early big data days and all the talk was about volume, variety and velocity. And those are sort of IT concepts. How do you deal with all these technical challenges? And then the fourth V, which you just mentioned was value. And that's where the line of business really comes in. So let's get into the news. What are you announcing today? So we're announcing a new application on top of Elation's catalog platform, which is an Elation's data governance application. That application will be released with our 2021.3 release on September 14th. And what's exciting about that is that we're gonna now allow customers to discreetly and elegantly and quickly consume a new application to get data governance regimes off the ground and initiatives off the ground much more quickly than they've ever been able to do. This app is really all about time to value. It's about allowing customers to be able to consume what they need when they need it in order to be able to get successful governance and issues going. And so that's what we're trying to deliver. So maybe you could talk a little bit about how you think about data governance and specifically your data governance approach and maybe what's different about Elation's solution. Yeah, I think there's a couple of things that are different. I think the first thing that's most critically different is that we move beyond this notion of sort of policy declaration into the world of policy application and policy enforcement, right? I think a lot of data governance regimes basically stand up and say, look, it's all about people and then process and then technology. And what we need to do is declare who all the governors are and who all the stewards are and then we're gonna get all of our policies in the same place and then the business will follow them. And the reality is people don't change their workflows to go off and arbitrarily follow some data governance policy that they don't know exists or they don't wanna actually have to follow. And so really what you gotta do is make sure that the policy and the knowledge exists as and where the data exists. And that's why it's so critical to build governance into the catalog. And so what we're doing here is we're basically saying, look, you could declare policies with a new policy center inside of Elation. Those policies will get automatically created in some cases by integrating with technologies like Snowflake. But beyond that, what we're also doing is we're saying, look, we're gonna move into the world of taking those policies and applying them to the data on an automated basis using ML and AI. And basically saying that now it doesn't have to be some massive boil the ocean three year regime to get very little value and a very limited business glossary. Rather, all of your data sets, all of your terms can be put into a single place on an automated basis that's constantly being used by people and constantly being updated by the new systems that are coming online. And that's what's exciting about it. So just want to follow up on that. So if I'm hearing you correctly, it's the humans are in the loop, but it's not the only source of policy, right? The machines are assisting and in some cases managing and to end that policy. Is that right? You've got it. I think the biggest challenge with data governance today is that it basically relies, it's a little bit like the Golden Gate Bridge. You start painting it and by the time you're done painting it, you got to go back and start painting it again because it relies upon people and there's just too much change in the weather and there's too much traffic and there's just too much going on in the world of data. And frankly, in today's world, it's actually, that's not even an apt analogy because often what happens is midway through you've got to restart painting from the very beginning because everything's changed. And so there's so much change in the IT landscape that the traditional way of doing data governance just doesn't work. Got it. So in reading through the press release the three things kind of stood out. I wonder if we could unpack them. It was multi-cloud governance and security.  So I wonder if we could dig into these and help us understand how they fit together. So thinking about multi-cloud governance, how do you think about that? Why is that so challenging and how are you solving that problem? Yeah, well, every cloud technology provider has its own set of capabilities and platforms and often those slight differences are causing differences in how those technologies are adopted. And so some teams optimize for certain capabilities and certain infrastructure over others. And that's true even within businesses. And of course, IT teams are also trying to diversify their IT portfolios and that's another reason to go multi-cloud. So being able to have a governance capability that spans certainly all of the great cloud megascalers but also these new huge emerging platforms like Snowflake of course and others, those are really critical capabilities that are important for our customers to be able to get a handle on top of. And so this idea of being cloud agnostic and being able to sort of have a single control plane for all of your policies, for all of your data sets, that's a critical must have in a governance regime today. So that's point number one. Okay, and then the machine learning piece, the AI, you're obviously injecting that into the application but maybe tell us what that means both, maybe technically in from a business standpoint. Yeah, so there's this idea of a data policy, right? Can be sometimes by operational teams but basically it's a set of rules around how one should and should not be able to use data, right? And so those are great rules. It could be that people who are in one country shouldn't be able to access the data of another country. Very simple rule, right? But how do you actually enforce that? Like you can declare it, but if there is a endpoint on a server that allows you to access the data, the policy is effectively moved. And so what you've got to go do is make sure that at the point of leverage or at the point of usage, people know what the policy happens to be and that's where AI will come in. You can say let's document all the data sets that happen to be domiciled in Korea or in China and therefore make sure that those are arbitrarily segregated so that when people want to use those data sets, they know that the policy exists and they know that it's been applied to that particular data set. That's somewhere where AI and ML can be super valuable rather than a human being trying to document thousands of databases or tens of thousands of data sets which is really kind of a system I see an exercise. And so that application of automation is really critical in being able to do governance at the scale that most enterprises have to do it. You got it, humans just can't do that at scale. Now, what do you mean by people-centric approach? Can you explain that? Yeah, often what I find with governance is that there's this notion of kind of, there's this heavy notion of how one should deal with the data, right? So often what I find is that there are certain folks who think, oh, well, we're going to clear the rules and people are just going to follow them. And if you've ever been, well, a parent or in some cases seen government operate, you realize that that actually isn't how things work, that you actually, and involve them in how things are run. And if you do that, right, you're going to get a lot more success in how you apply rules and procedures because people will understand them and people know why they exist. And so what we do within this governance regime is we basically say, look, we want to make sure that the people who are using the data, leveraging the data are also the people who are stewarding the data. There shouldn't be a separate role of data steward that is arbitrarily defined off just because you've been assigned to a job that you never wanted to do. Rather, it should be a part of your day job and it should be something that you do because you really want to do it and it's a part of your workflow. And so this idea of being people-centric is all about how do you engage the analyst, the product managers, the sales operation managers to document those sales data sets and those product data sets so that in fact, those people can be the ones who are answering the questions, not somebody off to the side who knows nothing about the data. Yeah, I think you've talked in previous CUBE interviews about context and that's really fits to this discussion. So these capabilities are part of an application, which is what? It's a module onto your existing platform and it's sort of, it's a single platform, right? I mean, we're not bespoke products. Maybe you could talk about that. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, it's funny because we've evolved and built a relation with a lot of capability. I mean, interestingly, we're launching this data governance application, but I would say 60% of our almost 300 customers would say they do a form or a significant part of data governance leveraging relation. So it's not like that we're new to this market. We've been selling in this market for years. What's different though is that, we've talked a lot about the catalog as a platform over the last year. And we think that that's a really important concept because what is a platform? It's a capability that has multiple applications built on top of it, definitionally. And it's also a capability where third party developers can leverage APIs and SDKs to build applications. And thirdly, it has all of the requisite capabilities and content so that those application developers, whether it's first party from Elation or third party can really build those applications efficiently, elegantly and economically well. And the catalog is a natural platform because it contains all of the knowledge of the datasets and it has all of the people who might be leveraging data in some fundamental way. And so this idea of building this data governance module allows a very specialized audience of people in governance to be able to leverage the full capabilities of the platform to be able to do their work faster, easier, much more simply and easily than they ever could have. And that's why we're so excited about this launch because we think it's one example of many applications whether it's ourselves building it or third parties that could be done so much more elegantly than it previously could have been because we have so much knowledge of the data and so much knowledge of how the company operates. It irrespective of the underlying cloud platform is what I heard before. Irrespective of the underlying cloud platform because the data, as you know, lives everywhere. It's going to live in AWS. It's going to live in Snowflake. It's going to live on premise inside of an Oracle database that's not going to be changed. It's going to live in Teradata. It's going to live all over the place. And as a consequence of that, we've got to be able to connect to everything and we've got to be able to know everything. Okay, so that leads me to another big part of the announcement, which is the partnership and integration with Snowflake. Talk about how that came about. I mean, why Snowflake? How should customers think about the future of data management in the context of this relationship? Obviously Snowflake talks about the data cloud. I want to understand that better and where you fit. Yeah, so, you know, interestingly, this partnership, like most great partnerships was born in the field. We at the late part of last year had observed with Snowflake that we were in scores of their biggest accounts. And, you know, we found that when you found a really, really large Snowflake engagement, often you were going to be complimenting that with a reasonable engagement with Alation. And so seeing that pattern, as we were going out and raising our funding round at the beginning of this year, we basically found that, you know, Snowflake, obviously with their Snowflake Ventures Investment Arm realized how strategic having a great answer in the governance market happened to be. Now there are other use cases that we do with Snowflake. We can certainly get into those. But what we realized was that if you had a huge scale Snowflake engagement, governance was a rate limiter to customers' ability to grow faster and therefore also Snowflake's ability to grow faster within that account. And so we worked with them to not only develop a partnership, but much more critically a roadmap that was really robust. And so we're now starting to deliver on that roadmap and are super excited to share a lot of those capabilities in this release. And so that means that we're automatically ingesting policies and controls from Snowflake into Elation, giving full transparency into both setting and also modifying and understanding those policies for anybody. And so that gives you another control plane through which to be able to manage all of the data inside of your enterprise, irrespective of how many instances of Snowflake you have and irrespective of how many controls you have available to you. And again, on which cloud runs on. So I want to follow up with that, really just to understand it because Snowflake's promise of the data cloud is it essentially abstracts the underlying complexity of the cloud. And I'm trying to understand, okay, how much of this is vision? How much is real? And it's fine to have a North Star, but sometimes you get lost in the marketing. But in the other part of the promise, and of course big value proposition of data sharing. I mean, I think they've nailed that use case, but the challenge when you start sharing data is federated governance. And so, and as well, I think you mentioned Oracle, Teradata, that stuff's not all in the cloud. A lot of that stuff's on-prem and you guys can deal with that as well. So help us sort of those circles if you can. Where do you fit into that equation? I think, so look, Snowflake is a magical technology in the sense that if you look at the data, I mean, it reveals a very, very clear story of the ability to adopt Snowflake very quickly. So any data team with an organization can get up and running with a Snowflake instance with extraordinary speed and capability. Now that means that you could have, scores, hundreds of instances of Snowflake within a single institution. And to the extent that you want to be able to govern that data to your point, you've got to have a single control plane through which you can manage all of those various instances whether they're combined or merged or completely federated and distinct from each other. Now, the other problem that comes up beyond governance is also discoverability. If you have all these instances, how do you know what the right hand is doing? If the left hand is working independently of it, you need some way to be able to coordinate that effort. And so that idea of discoverability and governance is really the value proposition that Elation brings to the table. And the idea there is that people then can get up and running much more quickly because, hey, what if I wanna spin up a Snowflake instance but there's somebody else two teams over that's already solved the problem or has the data that I need? Well, then maybe I don't even need to do that anymore or maybe I can build on top of that work to be able to get to an even better outcome even faster. And so that's the sort of kind of one plus one equals three equation that we're trying to build with them. So that makes sense. And that leads me to one of my favorite topics with the mesh and this is burgeoning movement around the concept of a data mesh. In other words, the notion that increasingly organizations are going to push to decentralize their data architectures and at the same time support a centralized policy. What do you think about this trend? How do you see Elation fitting in? Yeah, maybe on a different cube conversation we can talk a little bit about my sort of stylized history of data but I've got this basic theory that like, everybody started out with sort of this idea of a single source of truth, right? That was a great term back in the 90s where people were like, look, we just need to build a single source of truth and we can take all of our data and physically land it up in a single place. And when we do that, it's gonna all be clean available and perfect and we'll get back to the Garden of Eden, right? And I think that idea has always been sort of this elusive thing that nobody's ever been able to really accomplish, right? Because in any data environment, what you're gonna find is that if people use data, they create more data, right? And so in that world, that notion of centralization is always gonna be fighting this idea of data sprawl. And so the concept of data mesh I think is, there's lots of, there's formal technical definitions but I'll stick with maybe a very informal one which is the one that you offered which is just sort of this decentralized mode of architecture. You can't have decentralization if nobody knows how to access those different data points because otherwise you'll just have copies and sprawl and rework. And so you need a catalog and you need centralized policies so that people know what's available to them and people have some way of being able to get conformed to data. Like, if you've got data spread out all over the place, how do you know which is the right master? You know, how do you know what's the right customer record? How do you know what's your right chart of account? You've got to have services that exist in order to be able to find that stuff and to be able to leverage them consistently. And so, you know, to me, the data mesh is really a continuation of this idea which the catalog really enabled which is if you can build a single source of reference, not a single source of truth, but a single place where people can find and discover the data, then you can go over a single plane and you can build consistent architectural rules so that different services can exist in a decentralized way without having to sort of bear all the cost of centralization. And I think that's a super exciting trend as it gives power back to people who want to use the data more quickly and efficiently. And I think as we were talking about before, it's not about just the IT technical aspects. Hey, it works. It's about putting power in the hands of the lines of business. And a big part of the data mesh conversation is around building data products and putting context or putting data in the hands of the people who have the context. And so it seems to me that, you know, elation, okay, so you could have a catalog that is, you know, the line of business catalog, but then there's an Uber catalog that sort of rolls up so you've got full visibility. It seems that you fit perfectly into that data mesh and whether it's a data hub, a data warehouse, data lake, I mean, you don't care. I mean, that's just another node that you can help manage. That's exactly right.    And when people have different problems and different sets of experiences, they're going to want to use the best tool in order to be able to solve their problem. And so the nice thing about having a mesh architecture is you can use whatever tool you want. You just have to expose your data in a consistent way. And if you have a catalog, you could be able to have different teams using different infrastructure, different tools, different, you know, fundamental, you know, methods of building the software. But as long as they're exposing it in a consistent way, it doesn't matter. You don't necessarily need to care how it's built. You just need to know that you've got good data available to you. And that's exactly what a catalog does. Well, at least your catalog, I think there are, look at data mesh, there should be tools agnostic. And I think there are certain tools that are. I think you guys are, you know, started with that principle. Not every data catalog is going to enable that. But I think that is the trend, Satya. And I think you guys have, you guys have always fit into that. It's just, I think you were ahead of the time. Hey, we'll give you the last word. Give us the closing thoughts and bring us home. Well, look, I mean, I think that, I mean, that's exactly right. Like no, not all catalogs are created equal and certainly not all governance is created equal. And I think most people say these words and think that they're simple to get into. And then it's a death by a thousand cuts. So it was literally on the phone with a chief data officer yesterday of a major distributor. And they basically said, look, like we've got sprawl everywhere. We've got data everywhere. We've got it in every type of system. And so having that sophistication turned into something that's actually easy to use is a super hard problem. And it's the one that we're focused on every single day that we wake up and every single night when we go to sleep. And so, you know, that's kind of what we do. And we're here to make governance easy, to make data discovery easy. Those are the things that we hold our hats on and we're super excited to put this release out because we think it's going to make customers so much more capable of building on top of the problems that they've already solved. And that's what we're here to do. Good stuff, Satya. And thanks so much. Congratulations on the announcement and great to see you again. You too, Dave. Great talking. All right. And thanks for watching this cube conversation. This is Dave Vellante. We'll see you next time.


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