Hi my name is Michael Collins and I have the privilege of being the director general of this wonderful institute, the Institute of International and European Affairs here in North Great Georgia Street. And we're delighted to see so many people here this evening and welcome in particular to our distinguished guests, particularly of course Eleanor Sharpton and Justice Lee McKekney and of course President Philip Nolan from Maneuth, from whom you'll be hearing very very shortly. We are delighted and we're thrilled to cooperate with Maneuth University and hosting this event, this indeed important event, to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Maneuth Law School. It may not be the oldest university, the oldest law school in the world but 10 years is good too, 20 years will be better, 50 years will be really really good and 100 years will be spectacular but in any event. So congratulations to everybody associated with the law school in Maneuth in reaching and marking this important milestone. I wish you all the very best as the school strives and I'm sure reaches levels of continuing success in the years ahead. The IA is particularly honored to host our keynote speaker, Advocate General Eleanor Sharpton and to welcome her particularly to the Institute here this evening. Her reputation precedes her. Indeed I was reading a little bit about her background and apart from being in awe it made some very very entertaining reading as well. Eleanor I know that your career path has been at times both challenging and demanding and indeed demanding more than a fair share of persistence and determination. This makes your success in reaching the position of Advocate General all the more commendable and indeed impressive and we salute your success and are delighted that you can share this time with us here in the heart of Dublin here at the Institute this evening. Eleanor I know that your friends call you Leo. You're among friends tonight so we're going to call you Leo as well if we may but whether we call you Leo or Eleanor you're welcome here is profound and it's sincerely held. I now want to hand over to the President of Maynooth, Philip Nolan whom I've had the privilege of meeting before but Leo, Philip you're very very welcome. Thank you. Michael thank you so much and it's a real pleasure to be here at the final event to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the the School of Law at Manitou University beautifully coinciding with the 10th anniversary of the enactment or the coming into effect of the Lisbon Treaty. It's in polite to disagree with your host but I'm going to do it anyway. 10 years is great and in fact 20 years or 50 years isn't necessarily better and my point is I had the privilege of appointing Professor Michael Daherty as head of the Department of Law some seven years ago six six years ago. Michael was the third permanent member of staff in the department. It's now a department of 30 so it's grown enormously in that very short space of time to deliver really top quality education to a whole new generation of students of law and the trick I think for the school which is it's had the great privilege of assembling itself over a short period of time so it's very fresh with very talented scholars in it and very innovative approaches to teaching. The trick will be to be around for 50 or 100 years without becoming stale maintaining that spirit of innovation maintaining that sense of drive and scholarship so I want to pay tribute first of all to Michael Daherty's leadership which made that possible but I really want to pay tribute to the entire staff of the department. I've never seen a group of people put their shoulders to the wheel so enthusiastically and to such great effect and equally we have very many friends and supporters. Many people in this room have been friends and supporters of the department so I just want to express my gratitude to those three categories of people the leadership, the staff and the very many supporters and I do want to conclude by welcoming and thanking him for his support Mr. Justice Liam McKekney who's chairing the event at Justice of the Supreme Court and to also say how delighted I am to have with us a jurist of such distinction in Eleanor Sharpton the advocate general of the Court of Justice of the European Union. I never attended all events without enjoying it and without learning something so I'm very much looking forward to this evening and want to conclude by thanking each and every one of you for your support. Thank you very much indeed. Good evening ladies and gentlemen. May I firstly and thank everybody who's been involved in inviting me to chair this conference this evening and in particular being here to share the same platform as Eleanor Sharpton. You probably know as much as what you need to know about Eleanor and it is all there in print which can be downloaded at any given time but there are a couple of snippets maybe that might have slipped your research tool. I should say that from time to time when you're introducing somebody it may become slightly desirable to embellish one's career or to say something with poetic license in relation to it. It certainly does not apply under any circumstances to Eleanor and you might know that her mother was in Cove, County Cork and that if her grandmother had been on time for to take up or take it into Titanic neither she or her grandmother would be here now and indeed the lateness of the with regard to marine matters attaches to Eleanor herself because she was laid for and missed a herald of free enterprise in Zebra some time ago which of course went down with the loss of all lives. In any event she was born in London her family moved to South Polo when she was six and on to Geneva and then Vienna. In Vienna she exhibited for signs of being a serious talent in classical music and to this day she played the viola amongst many other instruments in an amateur choir in Luxembourg. She studied in King's College, Cambridge 73 to 77 economics language and the law called her the middle bar and practiced as a barrister for two different periods 80 to 87 and 1990 to 2005 taking a silk in the intervening period and she was the legal secretary in the chambers of the advocate general Sir Gordon Slin who later became a judge of the court and she saw him in fact in two different capacities. She spent one year when he was advocate general and or maybe two years advocate general and one year when he was when he was a judge so it is fitting in fact that she herself should have followed in his footsteps and become appointed advocate general in 2006. Apart from a very short period of time she's the longest serving advocate general in the court. In addition she has a glittering academic career and she has lectured in many places and she has several degrees she has several honorships and fellowships of various colleges and from the time she became advocate general in January 2006 she has I believe and I've counted all of these individually delivered 337 opinions in the past 13 years are thereabouts and now that we have passed the 31st of January the 31st of October and she's still advocate general let's hope that there's another couple of hundred opinions in her and as you can see from the presentation tonight she's going to speak a little bit about the past the present and the future and of really where we are in terms of the situation presently and can I make it clear at the outset that what she's going to say and by way of a presentation is on the record and but some when that is finished they will be about 30 minutes of their abouts for question and answer and the chat and rules apply and there are several good reasons for that and they will become clear when we start exploring different areas and where frankness will enlighten you much greater than the fact if one had to be overly careful about what one says so ladies and gentlemen can I please introduce you to Anna gentlemen thank you one and all for the there's very kind introductory phrases it's always embarrassing standing up to speak after such a glowing account which you think yes they're all waiting for me to demonstrate that I can fly backwards through the air and you may you may be disappointed in that regard now I started my intellectual life in fact as a classicist with with Latin Greek and so when I was preparing this talk I thought right I will imitate one of the clearest and subtlest of the ancient narrators Juan Julius Caesar and I will divide my narrative like gall in just three parts to quote it properly Galeas is Omnis de Visa in Partis Très so I'm going to begin with the past with you know the story so far I then move on to suggest a possible way of looking at and taking stock of some of the present and then of course with considerable trepidation I grasp my crystal ball firmly in both hands and I suggest what what may be some of the challenges facing us in the future and how perhaps we need to set about addressing them if the European project which I'm proud and happy to have served all my professional life is to evolve and to prosper so let's begin by looking back looking back to try to understand the past it's almost embarrassing to have to recall this but you know actually the European project started in a very specific place and with a very specific reason for existing it began in the shadow of the Second World War and it began with devastation with destruction the latest in a series of ever worsening conflicts on the continent of Europe the antithesis of the civilized Europe that we like to think that we belong to not for nothing I suggest does the Schumann Declaration in 1950 open with the words world peace cannot be safeguarded without the making of creative efforts proportionate to the dangers which threaten it not for nothing does the preamble of the cold and steel treaty the precursor to the EEC treaty and the your atom treaty not for nothing does that preamble state that the signatories are and I quote resolve to substitute for age old rivalries the merging of their essential interests to create by establishing an economic community the basis for a broader and deeper community among people's long divided by bloody conflicts and to lay the foundations for institutions which will give direction to a destiny hence forward shared it's very passionate language and perhaps it does no harm to remember that right at the start of this story because since the foundation of the coal and steel community and then the EEC which became the EC and there's now the EU of course statement of the obvious we haven't had a conflict between member states we have seen on our borders one might think a little bit too close for comfort we have seen a bear 30 years ago a new conflagration in the former Yugoslavia over there in the Balkans remember where World War One began and of course more recently we have been dealing I suggest rather imperfectly with millions of displaced persons fleeing another nearby conflict in Syria what we refer to these days as the refugee crisis so please the first and most fundamental gift that the EU has given us and it's a gift that we tend totally to forget these days is an insurance policy against war in Europe and I make no apologies for saying I think it's particularly important to remember that here in Ireland because we know very well here that the Good Friday Agreement which brought a merciful end to the bloodshed in the north that agreement was built on the fact that the UK and the Republic of Ireland were both member states of the European Union that's how it was possible to make that agreement and yet during a certain referendum in 2016 during the run-up to the referendum and during the months afterwards well I suppose the kindest and politest thing to say would be that there was a kind of Westminster blind spot about the importance of the Good Friday Agreement and doing something in the ensuing negotiations to ensure that we didn't go back to that past of the troubles so over moving on from there over most of the decades of its existence the EU has focused on economics frictionless trade in goods and services which of course involves both the common customers frontier and common regulatory standards across the trading block combined with mutual recognition and this is precisely what we have been so carefully and painstakingly been building through the EU project for decades because it's this combination that allows the total absence of frontier checks between member states and that allows companies to construct elaborate cross-border supply chains, obvious example being the automotive industry and that leads to a wide range of consumer choice coupled with high levels of consumer protection so you know in short the EU has been extremely successful in delivering economic prosperity now there's always a there's always a problem there's always a but but you see unfortunately when you take down the frontiers and you have frontier less free movement of honest citizens that also means potentially enhanced free movement rights for criminals and for security threats and so the EU therefore had to start to accompany that frontier free frictionless trading zone with the flanking measures of creation and development of the area of freedom security and justice AFSJ for short and it's had to put those in place those measures that begin to address the problems that arise precisely if you do successfully dismantle frontiers and frontier controls it's great for free movement of workers it's also fantastic for money laundering drug stealing people trafficking organized crime in general cross-border terrorism and so on and so on and so when you start creating the flanking measures that you need to put in place at a EU level to address those problems now those measures many of them necessarily intrude and I put quotes around the word intrude they necessarily intrude on policy areas that are sensitive because they lie close to traditional concepts of state sovereignty areas like immigration like criminal law like security and very possible for the for that reason there is a certain inbuilt reluctance by member states to cede more power to the EU that was a very quick Michelin style and Pouditoire tour of the past let's move from there to trying to take stock of the present and I would suggest to you that we stand at a kind of crossroads here we have put together within a single customs territory an enormously successful economic single market we have significant mobility of citizens to live and work to study and to retire in member states other than the one in which they happen to have been born and we have these basic flanking measures that deal with much wider issues immigration criminal law security but the collective action in those areas has been perhaps a little bit slow and a little bit cautious and there is a very big hole where this is my european unity european identity and i'm proud of my european identity should be and that's because many of the benefits of the EU have been banked but banked totally invisibly so the average citizen is in fact unaware that he is deriving benefits from EU law and from everything that's been put in place there and i'm going i think the chairman will permit me the time to do the very very brief diversion i'm going to tell you a very short true story in february before the referendum in 2016 that february during what we call the blank week at the court when we don't sit i had removed myself to go skiing in kitsville and i got onto a little gondola there and sitting opposite me is a nice young man wearing the red jacket of the kitsville ski school the ruta toifel so having grown up in in vienna i say very politely to him kru scott to which the answer is um i don't speak german well being naturally curious i explored this a little bit it turned out that he was a very nice young man from from essix he began his skiing career by watching ski sunday on the telly and he thought this was great fantastic so he got on the package holiday thoroughly enjoyed it had a natural talent for skiing and the kitsville ski school had seen a good opportunity because there's an international ski school they've got lots and lots of clients who would appreciate being taught in english and so they had sponsored him and supported him and helped him through his training and qualification and so on so there he was as a ski teacher with the kitsville ski school which is how he spent half his year and the problems about being a lawyer of course is a thing called professional deformation so you take this information in and you think aha free movement of workers six months so i ask him well you know sounds great in fact i'm a bit i'm a bit envious but what do you do the other half of the year oh we said there's no problem because you see back in the uk i trained as a chef and i mean it's really easy i mean all you need is your bundle of knives you take with you and i'm gonna course everyone speaks english so there's no problem and well you know i go off and i fill in down the cost of braver the cost of del sol asks is the eu lawyer to herself so that will be free movement of workers in the winter and freedom to supply services during the summer months so having established that his entire economic existence was built upon the exercise of rights granted under a law and it was quite a long ski lift we had time for this i i said tell me what about this referendum that's coming up in the uk oh yes he said i think we should leave and i'm you know i've just heard a turkey vote for christmas no but really you know i've heard the turkey explain to me that christmas is a wonderful family festival when there is celebration and lots of good food and drink and the turkey has just told me that christmas is a good idea i did spend the remaining two minutes trying to give a sort of eu law 101 course so that he did actually understand what voting leave might entail for him personally and he looked a bit puzzled and a little bit concerned by the time we parted ways but so i mean you know this is the point that the benefits of the project to a very great extent have have been banked and banked invisibly and there is also a basic paradox behind the bigger issues about how much power is at the center and how much power is still with the member states because i mean obviously we want to be kept safe and secure and we want big problems that overflow national borders whether that is immigration or climate change or whatever but the big problems that won't stay inside the national box we want those problems to be managed effectively so maybe europe will need to play a greater role but at the same time the member states do jealously guard their traditional remits and there is also what for want of the better acronym what is called the nimby reflex not in my backyard that particularly applies when there are lots of asylum seekers who have to be looked after because i want to make that illustration indeed precisely from just one area which has given rise to a lot of recent issues and difficult case law which is precisely how to handle the refugee crisis now to do a very summary sketch for this the doubling regulation in its latest incarnation doubling three regulation has a very fine system for what i would call the theoretical balanced allocation of applicants for asylum between all the member states and if asylum seekers were to arrive and be dropped by helicopter equally in each corner of the 28 member states the system would work perfectly we then had a problem because actually that's not the geography of europe and as you know as well as i do in fact there is immense pressure on the southern member states with those non-floating half sinking inflatable boats making their way or not making their way across the Mediterranean but there is also the land route route up the west Balkans coming across the land bridge from turkey and then up along through into Croatia and then and to the rest of the EU and that migration explosion gave rise to some grand case grand chamber cases in in my court particularly case c for 1916 as against Slovenia and case c 646 16 Jafari and then the migration across the mediterranean well leaving aside the issue about when time starts running from those appeared in the menger stave case in case c 670 16 there is the big background issue of whether really and truly it is an irregular crossing of a border if people are rescued in a search and rescue operation and landed on the shores of a coastal member state that borders the mediterranean but it was all of this problem was happening and then there is a reaction of solidarity finally belated that you may say and measures are put in place in order to try to help Italy and Greece two decisions that are taken in september of 2016 decision 2015 1523 and 2015 1601 and they made arrangements for relocating compulsory relocation of applicants for international protection and the numbers are big the first decision is about 40 000 applicants and a week later the number has jumped and you add to that 120 000 applicants for international protection you know there's a big problem and there is a need for solidarity and the next thing happens is an application from Slovakia and Hungary supported by Poland they've been proceedings before the court and try to get the later of the two decisions are nulled these are joint cases 643 15 and 647 15 Slovakia and Hungary against the council and they throw at the argument about everything that you could conceivably imagine it's not very often that a judgment of the court begins with the table of contents but that case does because otherwise you cannot find your way around the text of the judgment and the grand chamber dismissed that application and what then happens well actually member states do not really do very much to put the decisions into force some are better than others some some take you know a few thousands here and there three member states of the four the group that's often called the Visigrad four three states Poland and Hungary and the Czech Republic decided that they didn't need to comply with the decision even though its validity had been upheld by the court and so they did not communicate to the commission numbers that they were prepared to take from memory I think one of the three agreed that it was going to take 50 refugees not even refugees 50 applicants and eventually the commission did bring infringement proceedings against those three member states this is cases 715 17 718 17 and 719 17 and obviously if you don't communicate the number of people you're going to take by necessarily and logical extension you don't then take the people and help to process the applications and the essential argument that was being made was because the member state retains responsibility for national security within its territory you can unilaterally decide not to apply an agreed and valid collective measure of solidarity now I discovered before we started the proceedings this evening that some of you have been kind enough to read an opinion that came out on the 31st of October the date was not accidental in which I waxed very passionate about the fact that I think this is absolutely not on and I even use some rather colorful language about the importance of solidarity as the lifeblood of the of the project but obviously we'll see what the court does with it it's now in delivery but but the essential point here is here is a problem that manifestly needs to be solved at EU level you cannot solve it individually at member state level and the story so far unfortunately very clearly indicates and illustrates the weaknesses and limitations of collective action if everyone just looks after their own bailiwick and a checklist and it certainly wouldn't be an exhaustive checklist right but a checklist of what would need to be sorted out in respect of that single problem would surely include such matters as reform to the Dublin 3 regulation what do you do about search and rescue in the Mediterranean to save boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Met what about a collective agreement to share out responsibility for processing those who are rescued and for geographical reasons they're going to be landed in member states that border the Mediterranean rather than in member states that border the Baltic think about the map and developing programs to give more significant levels of aid to the states from which they would be migrants are coming put bluntly you know if the if the prosperous EU does not want to be a magnet for the less fortunate well it needs to help create conditions where there is more incentive for them to stay where they are and it would obviously help if we weren't in a situation where there are major wars happening geographically rather close to where we are and against the background of all of that there is what from an EU 27 perspective there is what is the distraction that is Brexit now I am a Luxembourg as much as I am a Brit and I am here ladies and gentlemen I please I'm very very firmly wearing my Luxembourg hat let's just not be have any confusion on that wearing my Luxembourg hat yes you heard me right Brexit is a distraction seen from an EU 27 perspective the three years since that referendum in 2016 in the UK have been spent discovering that those governing the UK have difficulty in specifying the details of the desired new alternative bilateral relationship a relationship that will simultaneously respect all the red lines that have been pasted painted on the floor and B will lead all the yield all the desired economic and security benefits while see simultaneously leaving the UK entirely free to strike multiple trade deals with other global powers that will naturally be more advantageous to the UK negotiating on its own than the deals that the EU as a global trading power has already signed or is currently negotiating Brexit is a distraction it is a distraction because it has devoured time money resources and effort that Luxembourg had firmly in place that's badly need to be spent on dealing with other matters both nationally within the UK but but within the EU 27 for three million EU 27 citizens who are living and working in the UK for about a million UK citizens who are living and working in the EU 27 these last three years have been a period of personal and economic uncertainty and if I look at the micro level at the little team of people who work with me most of whom are not UK nationals we have seen stress unhappiness and brexit related illness or take their top but brexit has had one positive side effect it has made the rest of us realize just how interconnected our economies now are and how much hitherto invisible benefit does in fact come from that interconnectedness within the EU and it's really interesting if you go to the euro barometer which takes the temperature takes the pulse of how people are feeling about the European project in the different member states it's really interesting to see that nations that were previously a bit euro skeptic for example the the Netherlands for example Denmark in those nations enthusiasm for the EU is now at an all-time high so it's nice to know that there's some benefit that's come out of the brexit process so far I'm going to turn to the third part of this presentation facing the challenges of the future and I begin with an uncomfortable truth the world doesn't owe us a nice comfortable living just because we Europeans we are neither in the colonial imperial world of the 19th century nor in its 20th century aftermath we are firmly launched into the 21st century and in economic terms we live in a world of big players both the existing powers and the emerging powers little checklist might say USA Russia China Japan India Brazil Argentina Korea Canada and you can add your favorite names to that list so to keep our European economy in contention we need a Europe wide strategy for research for innovation and investment we need common rules and standards and incentives and measures to ensure that enterprises encourage has to be but that workers are also protected and we have to have enough people working productively and we have to be good enough at what we collectively do to finance the social care the health care the unemployment benefit the pensions and so on that we consider are essential to respect and look after all members of our society and you know if as is now the case the majority of EU member states share a common currency the euro well there are inevitable implications in terms of monetary and fiscal policy that will need further reflection and elaboration and I'm not going to slide into the economics lecture at this point so there are also as well as all of that all the things we haven't been getting on with because of brexit right there are also some obvious challenges that can only be addressed through EU wide action start the list climate change environmental damage putting together a comprehensive and intelligent policy on migration in the widest sense financing infrastructure and economic support for disadvantaged reasons that would just be the start of the list and make it much much longer stepping even further back if we like living comfortably in a liberal tolerant multicultural democracy we cannot just sit back and assume that that is the natural state of affairs because there is plenty of evidence out there to show that actually it isn't we will have to counter the resurgent populism that has taken root in disaffection and alienation and that is rampant in environments when too many are unskilled probably unemployed have no obvious future and are firmly convinced that they meaning those ones in power do not care a damn about us the victims victim mentality is very dangerous it is only a short step away from let's turn on those others and get our revenge and we owe it to our citizens but also to the third country nationals living peaceably within our borders we owe it to them to keep them safe from harm be that harm individual lawlessness organized crime or terrorist action and that takes you across to the rule of law doesn't it we have to use the collective power of the european union to uphold the rule of law and to curb politicians who rise to power by exploiting and feeding that populism with sound bites and who then try to dismantle any institutional structures that may get in their way there's some judgments of the caught out recently in relation to poland but there's been some interesting things happening in other places as well that show that the rule of law may not be as solidly anchored as we perhaps like it to be and we must repeat must safeguard that rule of law because we saw in germany in 1930s what happens when a populist leader rises to power and then dismantles the legal checks and constitutional guarantees that ensure the balance of power between branches of government and that protect the rights of all including unpopular minorities now i have no idea whether the right model for europe put quotes around that is a single speed model a two speed model or a multi-speed model whether it's the eu plus the ea or whether it's integrated in some other way before our collective attention was distracted by brexit there were some important and thoughtful dialogues some exploration of these issues that were starting to take place and it seems to me that we the eu 27 laksenberger had must not respond to brexit by adopting a europe is our bunker mentality we're going to have to have the courage and the self-confidence to resume those discussions and to think creatively and imaginatively about our shared future i am passionately convinced that we need to find a way of welding europe together of building on the work the genre and robert schumann and comet adana did in the immediate aftermath of the second world war in the past there was an obvious model i mean this nation state often forged its national identity through military prowess through conquest through nationalism and through fostering a sense of superiority over its neighbors and we cannot foster our european identity in that way it is nevertheless crucial that citizens should buy into and own the european project it is vital that it should belong to them rather than be perceived as the abstract and remote creation of a brussel's based elite and i think the communication which is really is not the same thing as indoctrination but communication plays an essential role here because politicians throughout the eu have for decades tended to present everything popular as their own national triumph and everything less popular as an unwelcome interference by brussels and how you present events tends automatically to color how they are received and the wider conclusions that we draw from them let me offer you two illustrations just to make this point imagine imagine that a strong earth tremor causes significant damage in a region of a member state what do you put in the press coverage does that press coverage focus exclusively on photos of distraught villagers and collapsed buildings and statements by national politicians or does it also highlight the fact that neighboring member states send rescue teams to help dig survivors out of the rubble and that the EU has allocated x million euros out of common funds to help with rebuilding work what do you show in the press coverage second illustration at a big sporting event let's take the olympic games at the olympics does the medals table just as now list each member state individually or do you also show a collective european union table in case you wonder i did the calculation if you take the 2016 summer olympics the runaway winners of the olympics were the EU 28 106 gold 110 silver 110 bronze 326 medals in all way ahead way ahead of the actual winners who were the usa who had 121 medals in all and by the way if you recalculate for the EU 27 and you take out the UK which did exceptionally well in Rio the EU is still comfortably ahead of the field you've come up with 255 medals now i'm sure you've never you've never done that calculation and you've never heard those figures because we never present them we just look at the individual member states let's draw this together what i have offered you today is a sketch obviously painted with very broad rustics it is a personal at times it is a passion of you of where we've come from where we are and where we need to get to and i'm not saying that my my vision if if you could dignify it with that word is necessarily the right one or the only one but i would close with the plea the european project really matters it is not unfortunately some of my other nationality fellow countrymen who are presently vying for domestic power do not understand this it is not about a bookkeeping calculation of what precisely do i pay in and what precisely do i get out i said something fairly passionate about this in the visigrad cases i suppose another way of putting it would be to say that the european project is about something bigger and rather more important and worthwhile than putting a message on the side of a bus saying we pay 350 million a week to brussels let's fund our nhs instead the european project is about peace security and prosperity for ourselves and for those who come after us in this beautiful and richly diverse continent in which we're privileged to live it is about how to transform that ideal that goal into practical daily reality and to do that europe needs our engagement europe needs us to pour our individual gifts and insights into the collective endeavour it needs us as european citizens to give meaning to that phrase that has come into our legal vernacular citizenship of the union and to make our contribution to the european demos to be committed not as greek city-state hoplites with shield and sword but to be committed as engaged and creative thinkers and doers for the common good that i suggest to you that is the challenge of the european project in the 21st century and that is the challenge that we must rise to thank you very much


Hi, my name is Andrea with Food and Mentory Adventures in Food.  On our channel, you'll find simple and tasty recipes using everyday ingredients. Hey guys, so for dinner today, I am trying out a new recipe for baked chicken ricotta meatballs with a spinach Alfredo sauce. So I'm kind of taking a shortcut because I already have chicken meatballs and I wanted to use them up. These are from Aldi and I got these a while back ago. I bought two packages and so this is what's in there. Very simple ingredients, chicken, peppers, onion, sea salt, onion, I'm sorry, roasted onion, sea salt, etc. So like I said, I'm going to use these frozen meatballs in place of the ones that they want you to prepare. But I am going to be making that creamy Alfredo sauce that goes along with the meatballs. I'll make sure, of course, to link the recipe in the description box. But let's get started. Okay, so in my skillet, I added some butter and garlic and I just let that saute. Now I'm adding in some heavy whipping cream and a little bit of salt and pepper. And I'm just going to bring this to a low simmer. Okay, so I let my cream mixture simmer for just a bit. And now I am adding in that freshly grated Parmesan cheese. I am using pre-shredded in this one. But I'm just going to let this melt out and then I'm going to add in that spinach. Okay, now it's time to add my chicken meatballs and this is what they look like. And I did let mine defrost since I wasn't using fresh chicken meatballs. And just pouring them in, going to give them a good stir, get them all incorporated. And then once I have that done, I'm going to add in this chopped bacon. Okay, so here is the dish and the dish itself is really good. Not a whole lot of sauce. So if you like things really saucy, I might consider doubling that sauce, serving it with some garlic bread. I was planning on serving it with the salad as well, but my lettuce already went bad. Now let's talk about those meatballs. Howard and I tasted them and these meatballs are pretty spicy. They have a kick. So on the front of the package, it has a red bell pepper. And then if you remember before, when I showed you the ingredients, it has roasted red pepper as that second ingredient. This is not an ordinary red pepper. I don't know if this is cayenne. I mean, I don't know what kind of pepper this is, but it's definitely very spicy. It's not kid-friendly. Howard and I don't mind the spice so we can handle it, but definitely Harrison would not be able to eat these small kiddos probably would not be able to eat these chicken meatballs. But anyway, this is what we are having for dinner tonight and we will see y'all next time. So try to have a new recipe today. I am making cheesecake style floppy joes. So in my skillet, I have browned some lean ground beef. I have green bell pepper.  I just added in some beef broth. Now I'm adding in some Worcestershire sauce and some garlic powder. Just going to give it a good stir. And now I'm adding in some cornstarch. That's going to thicken that up a little bit. And of course, that is my toddler in the background, Harrison. Okay, so that cornstarch has dissolved and I added a little bit more salt. I tasted the meat and it needed a little bit more. So now what I'm doing is just laying some provolone right on top. The recipe says that you can use American cheese or provolone. Let me turn that burner off. I forgot. And I am just going to let this provolone melt and then I'm going to stir it up a little bit and I'm going to serve it on some buttered hamburger buns. Okay, so here is dinner all plated up and it was really easy to throw together. It does have a good flavor. I am serving mine on toasted and buttered hamburger buns with some sun chips on the side. And we are eating these French onion sun chips. And if I didn't mention it, I will make sure to put the recipe in the description box. But this is what we're having for dinner tonight and we will see y'all next time. So for dinner tonight, we are having grilled chicken and normally Howard does all of our grilling, but I decided to grill today and I actually used our charcoal grill this time. So for the marinade, I used this St. Jamaica marinade. I only had a little bit in the fridge and wanted to go ahead and use it up. We prefer Walker's wood, but I just wanted to try something different. This is good, but not as good as Walker's wood. And then I also that is Harrison screaming in the background. I also wanted to use this jerk seasoning. I've had it for a long time and just needed to use it. And then serving it with corn on the cob. I threw that on the grill as well. And then I had this in my pantry and needed to use it up. So I just doctored it up by adding a little bit of red onion and some broccoli to it. So this is what we are having for dinner tonight and we will see y'all next time. Today I am making creamy crock pot Italian chicken. Now this isn't a new recipe, but it is one that I haven't made in a long time. So in the bottom of my crock pot, I have about a pound and a half of boneless, skinless chicken breast. To that, I just added some dry Italian salad dressing mix. And now I'm going to add in a can of cream of chicken soup. The original recipe calls for cream cheese, just like regular cream cheese, but I always use garlic and herb. That's just my preference. And I did let my cream cheese sit out overnight. I'm just going to add it in there. And now I'm just going to cover the crock pot and let this cook on low for about five hours. Okay so here is dinner. I let it cook for about six hours and then I shredded it in the crock pot. I know it doesn't look like much, but it really is very good, really quick and easy to make. Bring mine over some jasmine rice and some green beans that I seasoned with season salt and then some bacon. So this is what we are having for dinner tonight and we will see y'all next time. So for dinner tonight, we are having chili cheese dogs. A few weeks ago, Howard grilled a huge family pack of hot dogs and I tried out a hot dog chili for the first time. I'll link that video in the description box so you'll have the recipes, but it made so much I decided to freeze half of it. So that's what we're having tonight. I have a really bad habit of freezing food and then not eating it. So this year I decided when I freeze something, I'm going to try to eat it within a month. So that's what we're having, serving it with a side of these green onion potato chips by guys. So this is what we are having for dinner tonight and we will see y'all next time.


If we respect fear, frustration, disappointment as information, I basically think we can solve any human performance problem, any human psychological problem. From CMC markets, this is the artful trident. And there are lots of opportunities. 100 points swing on the down. We're all going to hit those losing strings. We're all going to have four or five losing trades in our room. It's inevitable. We just have to acknowledge that it's just part of being human. Hello and welcome to the Artful Trader. I'm Michael McCarthy, Chief Market Strategist at CMC Markets Asia Pacific. In our third season, we talk to the experts in their own fields to uncover what gives them the confidence to succeed. We uncover confidence, unlocking the secrets behind resilience, preparation and growth and how it can make you a better trader. Denise Shull leverages her training in psychological science to solve the challenges of mental mistakes, confidence crisis and slups in Olympic athletes, Wall Street traders and corporate titans. Denise began her trading career in 1994 at the Chicago Board of Options Exchange. She traded there before moving to New York City to run trading desks on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. In 2003, she founded the Risk Decision Consultancy, the Re-Think Group, and in 2012, she released her book, Market Mind Games, a radical psychology of investing, trading and risk. It's been described as the best of its genre and the Rosetta Stone of trading psychology. In 2015, Denise consulted on Showtime's drama Billions and her clients now include portfolio managers, traders, professional Olympic athletes and business innovators. Denise Shull, welcome to the Artful Trader. Thank you so much for having me. Can we start with why did you make the move from Wall Street and the finance world to psychology and performance trading? Well, the funny thing is I had just, or I was just finishing a master's degree in neuropsychoanalysis which was a lot of psychology when my friends who were floor traders went upstairs and convinced me to come with them while I was writing my silly master's thesis as they put it. So it was really a switch from psychoanalysis and neuroscience to trading that meant that fun but expensive master's degree seemed irrelevant and I didn't think I'd ever go back to that. But then someone wanted me, wanted to publish that master's thesis in 2003 and they were psychoanalysts and they didn't understand neuroscience and I said, it's got to be updated, you'll look really silly. And so when I went to update it for them, a group of neuroscientists had shown you had to have emotion to make a decision and I was like, well darn, all those trading psychology keeps saying take the emotion out of it, have no emotion. But if you could literally do that, you wouldn't be able to make a trade. And I was sort of like, this is a problem. And I started talking about it and people got interested in it and then that just took on a life of its own and so that degree came back into play. And then it seemed like it was all sort of meant to be actually. So you've developed your own approach based on your studies in neuroscience and also psychoanalysis. What is the shill method? It's basically looking at the human mind from the perspective that emotions, feelings and senses also. I put those on a spectrum. If you look at human perception judgment, decision-making behavior through that lens, basically everything's fairly easy to understand. So the shill method is about how do we help people do that for themselves because it's so different than what people have taught and taught. We're taught that our thinking and analytical and cognitive abilities are our greatest abilities and while they may be in terms of our ability to create in terms of day-to-day perception judgment, decision-making behavior it all happens through how we feel. People find that shocking. It makes it easy to explain why people do what they do in ways that say behavioral finance does not and then it's about how do we interact with any given human being who might be resistant or defended against how they feel like it might be scary for them to know how they feel. How do we go about helping them really become more centered in themselves? A key question you often ask your clients is what are you feeling and why? And you say this is a simple question but it's not easy to answer. What do you mean by that? You know, it seems like a simple question, right? What are you feeling and why are you feeling it? But it's definitely one of those things that people don't really know what they're feeling oftentimes. You know, lifetimes of trying not to feel or trying to use their intellect to overcome their feelings and usually, even if they can get a semblance of what, then the why tends to be a little bit superficial. People will use the first answer. The coaching is about drawing out the what and then helping the client connect the dots for the why and when they're able to do that, first of all, they are usually able to solve long-standing problems and at least understand what needs to happen to solve, like long-standing, mysterious performance problems. But when you're able to do it for yourself in real-time, you're also able to make the whole data set that your unconscious is working with to make it as in you make it all conscious and then you have better odds of choosing between the senses, feelings, and emotions that are germane to the decision you're making and separating that from the senses, feelings, and emotions that may be about something else. Even the previous trade or yesterday's P&L or your teenager who got in trouble at school or whatever. What you're saying certainly goes against everything I was taught as a young trader. I think I might be a decade or two older than you, Denise, but nonetheless, we were certainly told to stomp on our emotions, but rather you say that you're saying that people should feel their emotions in as much detail as they can. How do they do that? How could I do that? Generically speaking, your psyche wants for you to know these things. So on some level, your subconscious is relieved to be able to communicate with you directly to when you're interested in this key piece of feelings and emotions. I mean, everyone develops defense mechanisms against how we feel because that's how we were raised, right? Like to not feel those things, and so you have to engage in somewhat distortions in order to not feel things. So it's a matter of figuring out what those are for any one person, but I generally think this. If anyone decides that they want to know what they feel and why they feel it and they choose to have the courage to find that out, they will know more than they knew before. And then if they work at it where they're trying to listen to the information their body is giving them because that's where the feelings are, it's like the path of least resistance for your psyche and so it's moderately easy to make, for most people to make big leaps and bounds in doing it and they start to find out that they're just much more centered and less agitated and feel truer to themselves. Are all emotions useful to performance generally and trading in particular? Well, you've got to categorize them as the ones that are information and the ones that are irrelevant. Or Jennifer Lerner of Harvard would say the ones that are incidental, those are the irrelevant ones, or the ones that are integral. Or for traders I use intuitive, which is unconscious pattern recognition and reflective of expertise or impulsive. So that's the trick. It's not only know what you're feeling and why you're feeling it, but then to categorize it and to know which feelings are about your market decisions and which are about something else and be able to direct that energy, if you will, into the proper bucket. So let's say you have a losing streak and you feel lousy about it and you're frustrated. And if you're able to identify what that is and why, and obviously no one likes losing money, but you can put that into words for exactly what it is, that disconnects it from the next trade, which is, you know, whatever your P&L was yesterday or last week or last month is irrelevant, right? And we always say that to ourselves. But if you try to address that problem just with your intellect, just saying that it doesn't matter, it's not as effective as if you work through the emotional paths and make the link between the feelings and the last trade really clear that ends up clearing your mind so that you can focus on the relevant feelings for the next trade. What's the relationship between emotions and behavior? It sounds like you're saying they can be separated. The neuroscience is, you know, quite definitive that you have to have emotion to choose the behavior and in practicality what that means is you have to feel confident in something to make a choice and do it. But for, you know, centuries of history, we have misunderstood the energy of emotion that often urges us to do something. We've misunderstood that and said, okay, you have to act on that energy. Well, you don't. Like, you can feel that energy and research and analyze what's going on for you and what does it mean and why. And then assign that energy to its proper category and then choose which of those energies, emotions, are relevant to your trade and which ones you want to act on. The better you get at parsing all of this, the easier it is to recognize that unconscious pattern recognition that we call intuition that really is expertise and segment it or unravel it from impulse or bias that is not relevant to the trading decision. So I understand that this is your business and I'm not asking you to give away business secrets, but how do we separate intuition from impulse? Well, so intuition is calm. Like, you just have this sense that you see something or you know something and impulse is agitated. Impulse has got energy and like it makes you want to do. Intuition doesn't make you want to do anything.  If something's really urging you to act, particularly in trading, then it's really suspicious. So it's a difference between a quiet voice and a storm.  And in those cases, like, it matters.  But for people to work with it generally speaking, if they think of in terms of calm versus agitated. Is confidence important to trading success in your experience? Totally. Confidence, I mean, confidence by the way, that's that reason we can't make a decision without emotion because you have to have some confidence to make the decision. Like the research that was done on people who have brain damage in such a way that basically they don't feel confident. They can't decide what day to go to the doctor. They can't decide what shirt to wear because they have no physical sense of what's right. So the question is, how does one work with their own confidence or lack thereof in an organized systematic way? That's the strategy you want to take, that confidence or its variations of confidence is like a thing. It's an actual thing that you can work with.  Denise, you work with traders, but you also work with elite athletes. Sounds like this might be one area that both groups have in common. Yeah, I mean, the athletes will say that what they need the most is confidence. There's a lot of sports psychology that works just fine until the pressure is really on. And then it doesn't work so fine and the athletes struggle with their confidence at those moments. I hear that from every athlete. And can sports psychology be useful to traders? I mean, confidence in general and, you know, wanting to be an expert in your craft, certainly, and the idea of training and practicing, yes. But there's a couple of things that are really different. So in any sports contest, like, you know who's winning, you know why they're winning, and you know not only when it ends, but when it's going to end. You never know that in markets. It's like a completely different mental problem. The fact that the markets go on forever. I mean, think about like, if a football game went on forever, if there was no end, and like, and anyone could score again and again and again. Like that's a completely different problem. The other thing is, so in sports, like, I mean, you take football, whether it's American football or, you know, Australian football or European football, like generally if the ball goes backwards into the opponent's territory, it's a bad thing.  I mean, I have these hedge funds that hold positions for years, and so, you know, they're always saying, does this mean we're wrong or does this mean we should be adding more here? So you never know when the game's going to end. And you never have that clarity in the market that you do in sports. But worst of all, in sports, you can make something happen. And the idea that you can make something happen in trading is probably a sure way to lose money. With full respect for client confidentiality, would you be able to give us an example of how a trader can turn around using your techniques? So, okay, losing sticks are actually relatively easy. So what everyone wants to do is like say, okay, put it behind me, start fresh. You know, that was yesterday or that was last week or last month. A secret to losing streaks is to go back to the trade that got it started and understand what happened there and how, you know, maybe you made a mistake or you did, you know, what I call the bet, I know better trade. Skip everything in the middle. Go back to the beginning. Figure out, like, what caused that, what you were feeling and why.  Like, just deal with the feelings from that first trade. Process them and get to the point where, like, you can forgive yourself for that. Because actually, the psyche is trying to use those unpleasant emotions to teach you something and you're trying to override them. And so you think you've overridden them and you've forgotten about it, but you basically, they keep creeping back in trade after trade after trade. And so the losing streak keeps going because you start to lose confidence in yourself and you start to doubt yourself. And basically all of those unpleasant feelings from the trade that got it started just keep influencing you. And so if you go back and you just, you know, look those demons in the eye, if you will, you can get over that and move on.  And by the time he started working with me, it had been like eight years maybe. And he was like at a bank in the hedge fund, bank in the hedge fund. And he struggled a lot. And by the time he got to me, and then he told me the story, like no other coach had taken him back to his feelings about his wife getting kidnapped. She was rescued and safe, by the way. And when he went back to how he felt responsible, I mean, he wasn't really, but you know, how he felt bad that he couldn't protect her, et cetera. And like we worked through that, his like multi-year losing streak started to resolve itself. So can traders be broken by the market? Have you seen some that were beyond repair? I mean, the true answer is no, but I think that's like if someone, let's just say someone looks broken, you know, I'm gonna know that they have a set of feelings and emotions that probably got started by some mistake they made however long ago. And if we unravel all that or untangle the spaghetti bowl, they can get back to the part of themselves that knows what they're doing. Basically, if we respect fear, frustration, disappointment and levels of intensity and fear, frustration, disappointment as information, and we go back to that understanding what are we feeling and why. I mean, I basically think we consult any human performance problem, any human psychological problem. I truly do believe that. Denise, what haven't I asked you? Is there anything else you'd like to add? What people can do in working with their own confidence is make themselves like some sort of tracking mechanism. Like it can just be a scale, one to seven, of how confident they are or not and just put tick marks on it. So as a mechanism to start to track your own feelings and then in doing that start to know how it feels when you're seeing the market really clearly. I'll often give talks and I'll talk about the optimal level of confidence but you don't have to be at the optimal level of confidence to make a good market decision. You know, you can be a little bit below it and learn to tolerate the anxiety of that. So that'd be my second thing. Making yourself a scale for your own confidence but just learning to put your exact feelings into words just for yourself, no one has to know. But gaining that skill of it's called emotion differentiation or motion granularity of being able to say, you know, I'm anxious or I'm worried about this and make sure the word connects to the feeling in the stomach because when you get it right, oftentimes that feeling contracts so it becomes less disruptive but it only works if you get the description right. If it's panic, you have to admit that you're panic. Well, that sounds like a good note to leave it on Denise. Thank you very much for your time today. I'm very grateful to you for doing this and giving you your full schedule. Thank you for having me. That was Denise Schull of New York City joining us from Hong Kong. I'm Michael McCarthy and you've been listening to the Artful Trader Confidence Uncovered. Listen to the Artful Trader on your favourite podcast app or at theartfultraderpodcast.com Join us next time.


it's the time of the season for loving the seasons are going fast sir it is a Saturday afternoon August the 17th 2013 and another week has flown by as usual let me you know what never mind never mind never mind greetings everyone and welcome once again yes it is that time welcome to progressive discussions I am your host for progressive discussions James P Madonna of mega likes 21 the hardest-hitting internet talk radio station on the planet excuse me my my shoulder pop popped out nice oh that feels nice right oh man if you ever if you ever have pain in your shoulders this is a great way to stretch it either one anyway where was I okay welcome to progressive discussions we are coming to you from the newsletter-sensored research center in northeast New Jersey and I will now officially pipe aboard my co-host and mentor and the very founder of newsletter-sensored which is the backbone of our organization I will pipe him aboard our progressive liberal Starship my authentic Boson's whistle oh by the way this is an authentic deer antler that is very formidable if one gets hit with it it's illegal it's illegal baton there's no law that says you can't carry a deer antler or Shalely which happens to be at home there's no law that you can't carry an AK-47 really yeah in some states you mean really in some states anywhere really didn't you see the guy at the Obama rally you can carry with the AK-47 but you're allowed I thought you need a permit to carry the carry the permit yeah but you can carry oh you how in public you can carry an assault weapon mm-hmm so the permit has to do with any firearms mm-hmm well maybe not a bazooka but about a rocket or a rocket rocket launcher you know yeah the the one your missile the one that you could shoot from your shoulder like it looks like a bazooka you can't you can't get a permit to carry that because you picture a road rage taking place on somebody sticking that out the window you know what having it in their car like James Bond let me tell you some when the feather when temper rises and the feathers fly people will use those weapons if they are available yeah that's what that's what the gun smoke James Arnes knew the hot that's why you wanted to check your gun at the salon the hotheads with the firearms poker and booze and guns do not mix why James Arnes played Wyatt Earp no guns smoke guns smoke but Wyatt Earp did that too on his kitty getting hurt but didn't Wyatt Earp do that a dive city dive city or whatever tombstone or whatever the hell dive city was dodge city in Kansas I'd say Kansas sounds good I'm not sure anyway dead dead dead dead dead wood was in north or South Dakota South Dakota South Dakota Deadwood South Dakota I was in North Dakota South Dakota sounds more like that's Indian country well was in South Dakota I think is mountainous and North Dakota's flat I always thought Mount Rushmore was in North Dakota South Dakota now what about the Sioux Indians they're in both perhaps no the Sioux Indians are on Wall Street so as it was suit no I meant I meant like like a ring the bells damn it chief sitting bull chief sitting bull man for the progressive liberal starship the one and only the Reverend Dr. William J. Isaac wormhole ahead wormhole ahead well that's how that's the shortcut to get to the other side of the galaxy of the quadrant yet or to space travel period as those are all shortcuts but anyway welcome aboard how you feeling this week not so good about the end of a month shooting up here that's for sure yeah we're singing at times of the seasons because summer is coming to a close and the sea the seasons fly by fast unfortunately just like the months and the years and what did Ed Norton say on the honeymooners time and tide wait for no man hey by the way I just read something in I believe it was a time magazine yeah some or parade or something somebody asked a question yeah about like some shows that did not do well when they were first put on to primetime TV really but in syndication they took off like hell and the two shows that they mentioned honey we're Star Trek and so they were there were much greater as reruns than they were when they were battling on the main prime time TV they had a time I know um when the honeymooners was a weekly show I love Lucy was was was top top was kicking the crap out of the honeymooners in the ratings and I always found Lucille ball to be very annoying poor poor Desi Arnaz but anyway yeah so honey mooners were canceled because of I love Lucy I believe but then the honeymooners became legendary in syndication syndication same thing with Star Trek see that's another example like when we always talk about politics in the system that has to change and stuff what happens every single day let's say the same music industry yeah there are songs that come up every single day and if they're not part of the mainstream or lame stream lame stream you ain't going to hear them no and they're not going to go anywhere yeah and etc and that's not right everything the listener or whatever he is you should get a shot at and then if you don't like it can it well there's got to be some way just because somebody says no to you or you get canceled or you think you failed and you think well my career is over it's really not over until the fat lady sings now look at read this film but what about him what about him he just keeps going on and on on his career's never over it's got a new show now hey I saw Don Rickles he don't need a new show I saw Don Rickles on the David Letterman show and he is still as alert and quick and his jokes are still as applicable applicable and and and and hard-hitting and sarcastic as ever Don Rickles has not lost anything and he's like ancient you know I mean well just getting back to what he said about the the honeymooners and Star Trek coming back and becoming legendary in syndication I mean what the willy I think it was the William Morris agency I could be wrong but when Arnold Schwarzenegger retired retired from bodybuilding after he won his like seventh or eighth Olympia Mr. Olympia Mr. Olympia contest seven or eight he went to the agency top agency and they told him you have a funny voice you have a funny name forget about acting don't even try forget about it so this inspired him being at Arnold's sell apples on the street he's a Leo and he's very determined and he has an ego he decided I'm gonna make it anyway and he did so it became the terminate it became the terminator determine I'll be back I'll be back and and corn in the barbarian whoa you're born in the barbarian don't forget about that and don't forget about Mildred Peña the housekeeper and don't forget about that what was that stupid show with the veto where it was with the kids he was pregnant twins something like that yeah I think that was a movie he must they must have paid him a lot to be in drag boy he was in drag Arnold and he was pregnant you know and yeah he said to Mildred coming to my bedroom Maria Shriver she went by by she know here no more she went by by coming to my bedroom Mildred anyway see it's never really over because people tell you negative things you know I mean not everybody that has a top position Reverend Bill is necessarily competent or qualified no one is an expert to hold that just like economists except you as truly an inductive thank you very much hi you hold on the levity bells I mean levity bells and believe it or not those levity bells before you know it will be in season unfortunately the wide-dread chop and ice and dig in my car out out of the snow whoa anyway let me let me read the let me do some chiseler's Hall of Shame okay all right this is interesting and I know after I read this you want to mention something of interest possibly of interest all right McDonald's oh boy pays their employees with chase debit cards JP Morgan chase debit cards yeah I said the same thing when I began to read it these debit cards include a one dollar and fifty cents ATM charge a five dollar charge for cash withdrawal a one dollar charge per balance inquiry fee and seventy five cents for online bill payment my god JP Morgan chase McDonald's finance that's what they call it profits handsomely from that no good any questions interesting how they have how they have that rigged up for the poor McDonald's employees that makes so much money hey a guy just a politician yeah just said oh my god we cannot get McDonald's workers a raise or cannot a better a better minute oh yeah but a better minimum wage so they went on strike will raise the price of a man a big Mac by 400% bullshit lies lies lies lies the more you'll pay your workers as Henry Ford showed way back when the more they buy your products the more you sell the more demand you have and the bigger you grow and the more single and the more money you put in the pocket of the little guy who are the true consumers in America the more money they put back into the United States economy and thus stimulated that's correct the more money many refrigerators can the rich buy not many how many yachts how many yachts are sold really now the more money you suck out of the wallets of the little guy the less the economy is stimulated and it eventually is hurt we're doing that right now plus outsourcing of jobs plus the rich not paying any taxes and there's some kind of a law that was passed I don't know if it was the the Republican Congress or if it was Obama himself but it has to do with offshore bank accounts like Swiss bank accounts that have to disclose information all information to the IRS of the United States concerning fat cats that have Swiss bank accounts there's some kind of disclosure law where it forces the countries that have the the bank accounts of you should have an into effect because after 9-1-1 and yeah one of the things that the Bush administration could have done was to track track the terrorist money and they didn't do it and you know why they didn't do it why because it would interfere with our tax cheats well these people these people that have these Swiss bank accounts and whatever wherever these are the and I quote I quote these are the patriotic job creators spelled CR O okay s crux patriotic job creators that your Republican politicians tell you so much about the ones that have their money and their their mailboxes addresses we came in islands yeah overseas areas we make more money down there than we do over here in the United States so their pay their patriotic for not paying taxes in this country and their patriotic for outsourcing your jobs overseas and they call themselves patriots and they're patriots for wanting to destroy the United States government and my god they are not coy about it no they're not quite they're not carp they're not goldfish about but you know and plus on top of all that they're they call themselves real Christians oh boy thank you for bringing up Christians I wanted to mention something here as an aside there's a case going on and I don't know what stated in it's in I just check I just saw it on the news or whatever I judge in this state a family wants to call their kid Messiah on the birthday Messiah the judge says no you cannot do that that is a title that was earned by only one person and Jesus Christ so you can't use it my question to you is this in Hebrew exactly what does the word Messiah mean Messiah does not mean Jesus Jesus per se Jesus was the Messiah Messiah now Christ but he was unrecognized as the Messiah by the Pharisees and the Suddukes or like the word Christ doesn't mean Jesus doesn't have a monopoly on the word Christ it kind of means King right no Christ means a sacrifice if I'm not mistaken but but Messiah is the priest right now Messiah must have a must have a meaning before Jesus was even born must have been in the in the in the Hebrew in the Hebrew language yes it was so it's not really you're not you're not connecting your child to Jesus right by using the word Messiah Christ how many Spanish people are born with the name Jesus see that I feel so I'm sensitive about that I don't think that's good or the Jesus day Jesus Jesus that probably means like of Jesus of Jesus or I don't know but I'm just saying I'm just throwing it out there we have a lot of them people you know they pronounce it that way or in or Arabs with Muhammad they use his name too but he was just a prophet he was a man it was not a prophet it was a man wait a minute I have to stop you for a second the archangel Gabriel met with him Maroney more than why more than once oh wait Maroney was the no in the Arab Maroney was the Mormon the the the the Muslims call Gabriel Gabriel Gabriel yeah it's the same archangel he he gave he spoke to Muhammad and then the the great Khalif you told me destroyed or burned all the original third Khalif the third Khalif Ufman Ufman destroyed the original point of communications between Gabriel the archangel which is Gabriel Gabriel and Ufman destroyed all original copies of the Quran besides yeah not besides he destroyed everyone except his version and today that's all you had a minute doesn't it sound similar to what the Republicans want to do about rewriting the Bible of course isn't it very similar of course intention to get eat their idea that yeah but that's not the point when you're dealing with Islam Islam with Muhammad came around in the 600s right early 600s so theoretically then for all the time up to 600 there was no knowledge of Allah Allah before that was the moon goddess well you had you had the religion of Babylon and then you have to do with Islam well I'm looking at the region then you had Zoroastrianism in Persia yeah you know that the door is it's a talk about the region which where they came from yes it is the same region sir well we're talking about the fact just as in Greek and Roman and India and etc all of these gods were figments of people's imagination that's why they did not exist that's why they call them pagan they do not exist today a Greek mythology Zeus I'm on Olympus and Aphrodite and Poseidon and all of them actually there was there was a funny post a banner on Facebook that says next time you do something stupid remember that the emperor Caligula sent his army to the sea and they and and they were stabbing the water with their spears because Caligula declared war on Neptune so the next time you do something stupid think of the emperor Caligula well that's the whole point the whole point is that these gods and the institutions that grew up around them and the people who gave their lives to them then their minds etc these were figments of people's imagination they were not real you know Hindu has many many 30 million huh 30 you mean gods goddesses and demigods and etc okay it's about time we start looking at these things with a open mind and a mind that can actually learn things question everything my friends question everything be a free independent I'm sorry my friends stay thirsty my friends this is medicinal tea this is not the the stuff that the Saint Bernard had in the in the barrel under his name is getting back to Messiah yeah the judge has no business sticking her stinking mouth and nose Pinocchio into what a people want to name their child and she will lose the case because it is against the First Amendment etc okay sounds like a form of fascism to me it's a form of republicanism they believe that they are doing God's work okay and they are bringing this you know what was up in her office the judge's office on the wall what the 10 Commandments yeah but nobody has been able to keep the 10 Commandments that's the law that's what they call the law yeah but the point of it is man is filled these people keep the 10 command like that guy Moore and all these religious nut state put the 10 Commandments up there as a arrogant or a look at me like praying in public like the Pharisees did why why don't these conservatives and why don't they worry about their own salvation because they have a lot to worry about yeah they have worry about the fact that they got the wrong God what about wasting their time what about all the all the horrible unchristian things that they really do well that's an example of the fact if you got the wrong God you're what you do in his name it's gonna be wrong well if you got the wrong God what you're doing is not God Lee yeah and it's not and it's not that it's not all of the God of the Bible bingo so it might be the other guy bingo but yet they want to enforce it don't they they want to make it into law don't they I think I think it's all about just pure selfish power lust for power control control yeah that's it it's always been about control religion has always been about control they want to control your mind and this is why what you and this is why many prominent people today that tend to be progressive have have disdain towards organized religion like Jesse Ventura is not a fan of organized religion as well one should because it's all garbage mark 7 versus 7 through 8 and 9 you make me of no effect through your traditions that's what Jesus said they're not worshiping God or Jesus or whatever they're worshiping their traditions yep what they've grown up with the Christmas tree the Easter bunny it said of the the the the last days the second the first day excuse me one of those days the first day sobbing the mark of the beast etc and all these things wrong they want to foist them on you just like Catholics think that the traditions and rules of the church you know like saying Hail Mary with a rosary be they think that that's that everything from the Catholic Church is coming direct from God and that's the only way you know what I mean it's like they don't know the history they believe that their church was based on the Rock Peter the Apostle yeah but it was not it was based on Simon Magus the sorcerer and a lot of Babylonian mystery really Babylonian you say abalone that's a clan that's no that's not a clan that's a what do you call it it's a force a shellfish show fish yeah but looks like a cop a car that's different conch is different I'm holding a conch up on my ear right about the I can never blow here to see I can ever blow the Triton's trumpet you know what sounds like that to the show far these real lights had the Ramshorn Ramshorn and they call it a shofar used for battle battle it's a battle horn right when they blow the Trump what about when they go hunting they say is it formed with tally hoe like the British going Fox something or like the Duck Dynasty they had dogs they run out and get the ducks usually hunting for boys I'm sorry if we are jumping around remember this is a uncensored unpredictable show okay and I'm very uncensored yeah they the ducks when you hunt for boys are the way known as birds you usually flush them out with with poochies and Silas on the Duck Dynasty to show his dog wouldn't go out there and get the duck wouldn't flush the duck and that duck was out of luck too yeah so he got a poodle the poodle weren't that so everybody else was making fun of his dog don't be the poodle don't make fun of the poodle when it comes to hunting the poodle was originally a hunting dog in Germany or poodle a poodle is I think second in intelligence to the border collie


Hi, I'm Ruth McGee. I'm Joan Gibbons. And we are two of 40 students from the UC Berkeley and University of Denver who worked over the last two and a half years to build the RISE home. The competition our team joined was the U.S. Department of Energy Solar Decathlon. It's a collegiate competition to design, build, transport, and showcase a net zero energy home. It's been an entirely student-led, student-designed and student-built project. We partnered with the University of Denver about a year ago for the construction of the home. So the house was designed and engineered at Berkeley and then constructed with the help of University of Denver students. Starting out I was working kind of doing social media type of stuff and then I transitioned into being head of construction along with Ruth. And so we did a lot of the pre-construction stuff, the estimate, the schedules. The experience was unlike anything I've ever done. It was totally not what I was expecting. It was way more work than I thought it would be when I got into it. But it kind of was a labor of love in that I fell in love with this project and the house that we built. And I just learned everything from electrical to drywall to just framing a house which were things that I had no idea about before. We designed our house for Richmond, California and we really designed the house to meet Richmond's needs. We did a lot of background research to make sure that the house went beyond just the competition and really worked with the Richmond community. It was such a wonderful thing for us to win third. We were just beyond excited. We were kind of coming in with our hopes a little low but we knew we had put in our heart and soul into this project for the last two and a half years. So it was really really exciting. In the moment when we won third they had just announced fourth place and we all thought that there was absolutely no chance we were going to win anything. We were all kind of you know that oh no moment like we're done we're out and then they announced our name and it was one of the most amazing moments. This win meant a ton to me. I was so excited to have the hard work that I put in for two and a half years validated. The judges thought our house was great but also it performed really well and we were kind of an underdog team in that we built the whole house ourselves and we had mostly undergraduates and so that was really cool too to see that we could pull it off.