So first on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Looks like we will table the Recreation Facilities Grant application for care work. Yeah, because Dr. Hinman has an opportunity to write a bigger grant, and we'll do better. So DTRI is going to write this one, but we're going to write it in the swing sets, because we took the swing sets down to the skate park, and there's all the piping needs to replace the chain. You know, we have the chips underneath that that are expensive, and we're also, at the same time, going to move the monkey bars for a lot better to relocate that along with the blue chips. She's getting pricing now, so we're going to leave it. So is that all that grant it can be used for? Yeah, it can be used for rec. There's three different things that it can use for. I think one was historic preservation. One was record facilities. One was for, like, something that didn't apply to us. I can't remember when that one was. Salt shed? No, this is the salt shed, money. Nor is it, and this also can't be used to build this new town garage. So we figured we'd write it for the facility, because it's going to be, you know, you've got all the pipe. We have to keep the purchase from cap. We'll seal all the piping for that part of it to the legs for the swing set, all the chains, and the swings. And because of a fall zone, you have to dig out and have X amount of feet of chips. So we're doing that, and to relocate the monkey bars. Could you use that for any of the cool house repairs that have to be done in the floor? Are we talking about the new subfloor and the household drain system? Well, we have tested the drain system, yeah, so we'll see. And I don't know about the flooring, so I'll have to ask her to read the fine print. And I'm not sure. I think my guess would be that we have to put it. They may not want to do repairs upgrades. I'm not sure. Well, I'll have to see. I'll ask her to read, because she should start on it. So we'll see. And we have tested the Aprilians to run a hose in there and test it. And she called the Randolph horn company, but they didn't answer all their backs. So we're going to look at the barrier in a couple of places. I don't know, I'll ask her. Maybe we can throw it all on one, but although if the grant period runs over, we won't lose our opportunity to do anything. I'll ask her to call to a question. Anything else to change on that one? Or add? Okay, I think we're good. I move we have Dr. Alexander as man. Second. Moving on. Public comment inquiry. Has he dugmated out tonight? Must have something, no? This is not going to go off a little bit. I'll wait and see if he's going to get back to me. It's going to be fine. Must be a road issue. I said it must be a road issue. Yeah. Call the staff around. Yeah, let me know if that's okay. Anything else public comment? Anything that's not on the agenda this evening? Nothing? Okay. Moving on. Highway access policy. We had gone through this the last meeting. Well, David, he called me today and he has a question. Section nine, it says an event that damage to a town highway is caused basically if you can force the owner to compensate the town. He wants to know what happens if the town dumps water on the private property and does damage. But we do dump water on the private property, as you know, but we're coming down like camp out. At some point, you got to get the water off the road. Obviously, we try never to dump it in somebody's door yard or back field. That's why camp out, we had to carry water so far. I guess apparently he had someone once upon a time did something near his road and every time the culvert didn't work and washed out his parents' driveway. And then he had to go fix his parents' driveway. And he said it was due to some negligence of the town. No, it was that way to call it. Oh, and I told him he should have come to the town and asked for a reward. So I told him I would bring up his concern, but I said we have to dump water on the private property. Obviously, we did do it purposely to take out somebody's driveway, but I didn't know what to get in certain circumstances. It's super great between him and I. See, it's out of the state, he saw me. So it was just, he didn't clean his own culvert. Right. Oh, well there you go. But I would think that if we installed whatever it is, any type of drainage mechanism or something else would damage the property owner in some way that we would be liable somehow to fix that. I think the state side of things might not be the same. We have an example back currently on, and I already met with the state of their dark example. So here's the road comes down, and there's a trail that says way down here, and there's a culvert that says, the only thing we're gonna maintain is our right away 20 feet, whatever the center of the road. And if you can tell for years, the water had gone down, there had been a berm, and it went into the river. Now, people there are saying that the berm isn't working, and we should come and do something to be saying, no, it's on private property, you don't work on private property. So right at the bottom of the bridges, where a dog and a brain come in? Yeah, right there, there's a trailer, and that's way below break. Even just like in the village, if you're on this here and the road is here, it is what it is. So no, actually, the town's not alive. Well, I think, well, two things. We would only maintain the bare end of the, this woman said she'd pack our culvert as well.  We already had, we'd already been taking this long, we saw the culvert up above to kind of reduce the water flow, but no, with the water, it's out of government. And people above her shouldn't maintain their store of water, we're not. So some of what we're dealing with is not ours, it's people who have it. I guess I meant inside the town right away. Inside the town, yeah, but outside. Now, usually, if you go outside the town right away, you get the okay from the owner, and then it's kind of, once it's put into place, it's kind of an as is, at that point. But I was saying if we went and did something in the right way, put in a culvert of some sort, and it wasn't installed correctly, it washed out someone's driveway, then we would be responsible. If it was something that we didn't do inside the right way. But I don't think it needs to be put into the policy. But Eric Richardson has mentioned that to me a couple times that, and they're used to run off down into the river, and now it's not. And it's graded at the end of the approach of that bridge on that side. Well, our culvert can't convey that. I mean, there's the bridge, a house up the road, so where this culvert is, that culvert is dumping out into what's a little, it's fine, it was pretty much just going off the river, so we're not, that's not gonna happen. Probably just, I'm sure they're scouring, they're scouring on every bridge in Vermont, so it couldn't be something else, but I think we'll have to check technically. Well, there's some pretty deep holes that we can watch out for. Oh, I don't know. I'm sure there is. Also. Yeah, I'm sure there is. So anyway, that was Dave's.  Was there any other comments in regards to it? So we changed the fee. You talked about the video last time. Yep, so down to bottom, yeah, we're referring to obviously this. The state changed the reporting fee to $15. So you can see where I hand wrote it in. So I'll have to fix that, of course, but. So the fee is $125. Well, when we get to the fee schedule, I have not put the fee on here, specifically because that way, just because it blanked, you can hand write it, because you don't change it more every time you have to raise the prices. Good with that. We have a motion to adopt the highway access policy. Ooh. It's not going to be all in favor. Gotcha. I said I got you over the scene if you were going to fall for it. All right, so pass this one around. You go first, I'm going to give you one. Just three of us on it. Just three of us on it. So on the list is the fee schedule, fine. And some changes where I kind of raise the notes that administrative stuff, the excess weight permits are set by this legislature. Then zoning, you can see of a, you know, we're leaving the same bubble. We want to start charging this because I realized that we weren't. We need to start charging $15 to the town clerk for a reporting fee. She has the right to charge us, I assume she bills us if she doesn't, she should be. So people should have to pay the fee plus $15 for reporting because it does go in the land records. And then obviously I'm proposing an increase for a firm cut and excavation application because we got to go look at these things a couple of times. I didn't have a chance to look. How does that $125 compared to towns in the area? I don't know. Who comes to that? I don't care. I didn't have a chance to locate it, but. I don't know, because honestly, even if they're still doing what we are charging 30, they're losing money.  We charged it in 25. But I thought it was a big jump from 30 to 125. But if they're putting in a curve cut, they're probably building something. So it's part of the gig. So we got ourselves covered for two or three trips out there? Yeah, that was kind of it. I mean, two at least. I don't think that's on exception. No, I don't think so either, I just wondered. And then obviously moving the minority reserves anymore that I asked Deetree about the pool. So you can see she has, what she said, keeping the same and she changed a couple of things. And then I remember the water rates only because it's all set in the ordinance. I don't think we need it out there. So can we go back to the band shell? Yeah, the band shell, yeah. So the electrical hookup, it's gonna be 25 bucks, reservation and use.  I'm not sure, I would think it would, but I don't know. And no one, honestly, the only one who uses it is the concert series and we don't charge them anything. I did have someone request to use it the other day. So I told them they weren't gonna be using electrical because it was just acoustic. So I said, you know, be nice if you paid the 25 dollars. But they didn't care if other people were there. So it says, be guaranteed there's no other user. I actually think that it would be almost impossible for us to have a public property. So all I said was, if you wanna use it for your two six situation, that's fine. I would love for you to make a 25 dollar donation. So I think you should, I don't even know. I mean, Kelly has done this before down at E-Mind and she said you could have signs that say reserve.  I'm not going down there. No, I can't force people off. I mean, it's public property. So I don't know if all the 25 covers it. Maybe it should be more, but I've never rented it. I've asked if anyone's ever, what do you think it would be? You very rarely might see a wedding left thing in the air. Yeah, I know. So I'm not sure. I mean, it seems like 25 will cover. Yeah. No, I believe not. We could up it to 35, maybe, but I don't know. I'm just curious what it will be. I don't, we use it, you know, we just turned on the spray and powers on, but we shut it off. But I'm certainly open to you raising it. But the guarantee of no other use, I think we should, we can look at that, just ask for a foundation or something. I mean, I was almost just thinking that whole piece that we just removed the fees out of it. Yeah. I mean, I'm just thinking like, yeah, I mean, other than the concert series, I mean, who else does use the band shell to plug anything and maybe once in a blue moon, something that might be the school or something. Oh, maybe. Yeah, but nothing. Not to mention, then you got to kind of police it and try to figure it out and I'm just thinking maybe just take the fees right off those. Maybe what we could do is just ask people and band shell just be by reservation only.  Yeah. And you might actually give us more. Yeah, that's the way I would do it. That's what I was thinking. Okay. Because I mean, we want to promote as much use for that building as possible.  Yeah, definitely reservation on any list. Yeah, okay, well, that's fine to me.  Well, it's just like the town hall. The most part we let rivers be here, state agencies be here. We don't charge them, I mean. Well, I think the only reason why I'm thinking reservation right now anyway, it's just with the whole COVID thing. Like if all of a sudden somebody wanted to have a concert there that's not part of the concert series and they were gonna have, I don't know, let's say it's a good baby, 150 people turn now.  So we just take it off, it's a good thing.  Or whatever, just so they can have some. Well, I know I talked to Jesse the other day from babes and they might be doing, maybe they're looking at some other locations, but might be doing having some acoustic violinists play there. And he said there's no march, no vis or vat. It's just acoustic violinists. I said, there's no vat or vat, certainly you can use it because you know the rules and I was told you know this and that. And he said, you know when the donation is 25 bucks, it'd be nice. And he said, it wouldn't be amped in line with music. And I said, obviously COVID, you should follow those rules and don't make people aware of masks and social distancing.  I didn't see anything else in there. I mean, we picked this one apart quite a bit last year just because our fee structure didn't match our cost structure in the time. The only other one on here that was on the top page too is private pool rental. This has been a thing. And so last year they were regular people rented for like 25 or 50 bucks and then they had to pay the lifeguards directly. And I was like absolutely not. It was an hour of liability insurance and our workers' confidence and all that. So I said to Deedre, no way. I said, you can build them to use the pool and maybe that gives them X amount of lifeguards and over that they're gonna have to pay more than we have to pay those younger people. And I said, whoever rents the pool needs to have proof of insurance. So I said, they can go through the tool of the program and they can put it on their homeowners by 25 bucks to rent the entire pool plus pay some kids like, because if something goes wrong, someone in that family, a guest of that party is going to sue us. I said, absolutely not. So she came up with these numbers which she looked at local pools that also do this. I thought that was totally fair. You wanna rent the entire pool? I think 175 bucks is a pretty good day considering electricity, pouring and all that. Well, what is our time limit? Rent it for four hours or two hours? Yes, there is gonna be a pub. I think it's four and she's coming up with a policy on that.  So I think it was four hours, but yes, she's coming up with a policy on it. But I have her put it in now since we are, you guys are approving the fee schedule and then obviously the owner closed. She'll have it done before they open next year. And she also had, I think you guys might know that, the family passes, they finally put a cap on that. There are people buying family pass for $80 and putting every possible relative on it.  And then after that, it's X amount of person. So because people were buying on it and putting grandmothers on, it's like, no. I need it. Yeah. So should we find things, you work that, can't get out too. Well, they're funny. So, I don't think you guys want to increase or change or other than the suggestions we make, I don't know. The only thing I've done is, I've been asking for this for a while, is people that failed to get a zoning permit. It should be something, but we're going to put that in there. We have to put it in the file box. Right. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I think it should be, well, whatever, if the state, I would go double check if the state's got you, but I think it should be like, four times, whatever, but it should be somewhere, and if it's going to be in the town plan, I'll agree. It will be in the town plan, we have to be in the file box. No, no, I don't. I agree. You have to do something. It can't be, otherwise it's going to well, you know. Yeah, just to stop on it. It is, and the other thing too, is if you really want to get it, you wouldn't, that's like a, you know, it's a violation, and it's more, you know, if I'd be nice to be able to just say, okay, send a letter, here's your situation, will you come in and determine if he was X, now the penalty is Y, so. I can't understand a statute of only five hundred dollars. I know. It's not a concept of a statute. I feel like it is a charge of three times or whatever. Exactly. But you might, yeah. I don't see that. You would get by with that with the fee. It should be something. It should be bigger than a hundred bucks. Because now, as someone has had to find it, someone's had to sit down and write you a letter, research the whole thing. Oh. And probably go look at it. Probably go look at it. Yeah. So whether it's a hundred bucks, just, this is called like a piece. It doesn't cover nothing. No, I agree. I agree. All I told was make it needs to be. Not to mention the endless calls to get the money in. Yeah, exactly. So I agree 100% in all that it needs to be, and the zoning regs to tell people. Yep. Well, the thing is, it gets around real letters this year. I wrote several. I think we have a dozen. So without all those people who come to pay, but they pay the initial fee. And so it would be nice to be able to be adding more of those to set it down next year and say, well, here it is. Plus, it's what you always found. Because if you did it like you're supposed to, it would have been an X. But now it's a Y. Well, and the way real estate is going right now, you're going to be seeing some, should be seeing some zoning applications coming in. Yeah. You know, it's money, it's all. We saw a lot of people last week telling everyone it was not money. So the only one I was going to ask for, but now with Oscar, we're only working part-time. Yeah. Like we probably should have some sort of fee. Because he did some. Like if our constable goes and does some, let's say, gets rented out for four hours to patrol a bike race or something like that. We should have some sort of fee in place. Because right now it's kind of loosey-goosey of. Yeah, because people charge them a detail rate. So we could add that there. That's $75 an hour or 80 or whatever, you know. I mean, the going price for uniformed traffic officers like construction-wise are about $80 an hour once you figure in blue lights and the person and gas and travel and all that stuff. But I- Well, you could put that in a detail rate for possible. I mean, you could charge them at it 45 or 50 bucks an hour. I mean, for sure. But we do, like if he's done a bike race or something, we do charge that. Because he did have a couple of things that he did there. Well, we charge him a detail rate. A few months ago. I can't remember what it would be right now, but. It was some, he did some stuff with the bike. He did some with some construction, something one day. Yeah. And- I don't know what that was, but. And he does, we have, he's charged out a detail rate, but if you want to set a detail rate, you certainly can make it like. Well, like, I mean, Windsor County Sheriff's, for instance, are, they're like $65 an hour. But that doesn't include, they get traveled from portal to portal plus mileage. And when you factor out a lot, that's like 80 bucks an hour. Yeah. So. I mean, I- Well, I was just thinking, I had written on here because we had talked about it. I'm just going to tell you right now. Because he did something with a bike race or something. And then he did something with them. Someone was doing some work that needed a couple hours of. Yeah. Well, he did something. I didn't want to charge anybody. So I can't remember what the hell it was. Yeah. Toke, I think they- Just easy just to have a rate. I know you said 35%. Not to mention the other thing is, if we do, and, you know, VTrans has done pretty much all the roads and Bethel here for the next 12 years, but when that comes back around again, it's nice to have your own constable do some of the work because that's good revenue. It is. And he's offered. So I mean, honestly, anything over at 30 bucks an hour would be great. He said we want to set it for 45 plus mileage. That's a value line or whatever you want. I think we can vote for me. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just think we should have something. And we may only use it once in a while. But at least you don't have to sit there and negotiate. Exactly. Now, we use it, guys. We just gave, right? We built them in a paid, so do you want 45 bucks an hour? Anything over 30 is going to be great. Well, like I was saying, the going, you know, if you call up Windsor County, they're 65 an hour just to start.  So long as 150 bucks will be undercut of nothing on this spot, right now I've got no way to work on this. Well, usually it would just be anything in the law. I mean, it would be only in Bepple, right? Yeah. I don't know, 55?  Yeah, it sounds good. Totally. That's good. All the way to there. And we'll just start hiring you out, Teresa, on the weekends. Me? Hey, just get us sitting there with the blue lights going. Yeah. Teresa will be down there for a while. I know. I'm almost stinking over the spinning. Oh, my god. Yeah, I'll tell you. Once in town, keeps their 30, 25 bucks an hour. It's going. Picking that, keep the blue lights on. Yeah. OK. Collect the easy money. That's right. OK. I think that's great idea. Any other changes to the fee schedules? Or are we good to? We have fees, the bills here, for dealing with dogs and cats and whatnot. They're all in your ordinance. Yeah. They're all in your ordinance. They don't need to be on this last thing. I don't have one here. I don't need to get out of it. No. That's why I was taking out the water stuff, because we already saw the ordinance. Anything that's in the ordinance is to strip it out of that. That's just another place to remember. I think you only put it on there last year, just so that because we had so many of our fee structures that were incomplete and that we were just kind of looking at everything. So I'd entertain a motion to set the fee schedules for the, is this run until July 1st? Yeah. So I guess it's, it'd be July 1 of 2020 through June 30th of 2021? Yeah. So, okay. One second. I don't see it. One cool campaign. What's that? I don't need to. Yeah. Did you get a motion and a second? I didn't hear it all. Yeah. I was like, all right. I was like, all right. I'm not convinced of anything else. I don't need to be convinced of anything else. Did I hear about that? No. I'm hearing things. And we had political campaign signs. We talked about last time under other communications and we discussed about putting together a policy for that. Yeah. We talked about it being, you know, short and sweet, but obviously it's never that easy. Once I read the insert that I was reading from you guys and the Secretary of State, this is taken right off from their website. Yeah. I did try to define a couple things. And then I will tell you this. Oh, yes. Dave Eddie got a change. Let me find it. I printed out two copies. He wanted it to say, and I printed out a second copy in case you approve the change, on regulations, the second bullet down, it says signs should be removed immediately after the election. He wants it to say signs shall be removed immediately after the election. Which made sense to me. I was just copying somebody else's working. So that was Dave Eddie's change.  Right. Immediately to somebody else could be the next week. I think it's... You say within a 5D period or something. I'm standing right here on town highways. It may be displayed for a period of not more than two weeks. It doesn't say how long they have to take their sign out. Immediately after the election. I mean, I'm going to give them a day or two. Sign shall be removed immediately after the election within... And it does say, again, if the town government gives up a little campaign sign, it will be held at the town of the apparatus. So... Is this a policy agreement? It's a policy. It's just a policy. Yeah, the Secretary of State encourages towns to make them obviously we're not going to be in effect for tomorrow's election, but certainly for November. Because right now, if we don't have a policy, it says that as long as they... Well, they're supposed to get permission. So as long as they call and say if they're going to put a sign on a town or state right away, then it falls under the state statute.  So what could we do for the local and the things? But I guess... The good thing is this, Chris, is even if we get up the next day, we do say that we're going to hold them at the town office for 10 days. So even if we pick them up the next day, they have, you know, we're going to hang on for 10 days. So... I mean, I guess the way I'm looking at it is either we tell people that they can't put them within town right-of-ways or on town property. Or we tell them that they can put them on town right-of-ways. But what do we have for enforcement for them to actually come get the sign?  Those things have been paid for and they're never coming back. Do we hold them accountable and say, you know, we're going to allow you to put them all in our land or in our right-of-way? However, you have X amount of days to remove these or we will charge you, I don't know, just $10 a sign or something to go pick them up. I don't know if we can. I mean, I've read the statute that didn't say that the state's charging them. This just says they only have two leaves. And that's town highways because that's exactly the state's sign line. If you look at number two, obviously that says no political campaign signs would be allowed on the public or town property. I'm not sure you can find out any number because there was nothing in the state statute about the state finding out. It just said the state just, I think it took a lot of this from them, saying that because this is theirs, because they're exempt from the state sign law, this is what they do. I think the cost of generating those signs is enough that people want them back and that may be enough for you to... But no, they want to lose. Well, yeah. But a lot of, you know, what was in his verdict... I guess so. If they put him on, like, say we had this ordinance right now, we would have already pulled signs that we'd be holding and those people do come and get him because we used to do that. Right, during the election. Right. But like after the election, if it's, you know, if we're sitting here... I don't know, I thought this is exactly... Wednesday, let's say, and they lose and, you know, I mean, what's to get them motivated to go pick up their signs? So then you could just say signs shall be removed within X Monday. You're just no... I don't think we... You know, I... I don't think we can know anything about a curse, honestly, because I copied this directly from the state statute. And the state didn't charge anything. And I know in the past I wouldn't say that we've had a campaign sign major issue in town, but I was, it was funny that we were talking about this because I did see news. It was in New Hampshire of a town over there. Now I can't remember the one, but I had like... Like it's like a all-day fight of like, they have just... It's like a battle ground town in New Hampshire that they have like, like, you know, where like, they'll put a sign and then they see that person sign, so they put a sign next to that one. Pretty soon there's like thousands of signs all in one row. I've seen that. Yeah. They, I can't remember what town it was, but they were talking about that. They had a policy of no campaign signs because they were spending so much time picking those things up to just pick them up again and then eventually to dispose of them and, you know... So I'm looking up 10, 40, do you want the stations, the state charges, if they, if it says if we can find before exempt signs, removal of signs, 497. I mean, I think the idea... It's not in violation of this chapter. I'm told to remove the rainbow of such sign. Okay, here it says, the agency transportation shall therefore remove the sign without further notice, without notice of further proceeding at the expense of the owner. So basically, they're going to charge them as much as they charge them for the actual number. So if you pay someone $15 an hour, they're going to calculate their benefit rate and charge them that. Yeah, but can you imagine how big of a pain that that's going to be? Well, that's what I'm saying. To be like, okay, we've picked up eight political signs today and two of them are this person and three are this one. Yeah, but it does say in here the owner of a sign that has not a license under this chapter, it's not legal or exempt sign, meeting the requirements. So, yes, there shall remove the sign without further notice or further proceeding at the expense of the owner. The agency transportation legislative bodies shall therefore remove, relocate or move without prior notice and sign the bike's display as directed in 24.75 feet of the actual sunlight of any highway. But that's what they're charging for. So, what are you charging for that? We did minimum wage times 30%, and I think it would come up with a BSP, I don't know. How do we... I don't think you'd ever get any money. I don't think you'd ever get any money from them. Oh, God, no. So, it's just fast to pick them up and take them to the land so we don't have to get them to the land. I mean, this is a whole whole of protecting this class. This is why you're scared to grow. And I don't think the language is completely there of what I was thinking of, but I guess the way I was envisioning is that there wouldn't be any political signs on any town, on land or common areas, I guess. Like, obviously, the ban shell and like here, but then you get the three-way intersections where our flower gardens are at, and then all of a sudden you see kind of them sitting there, and it's like you don't really want them there. But if somebody wants to put a sign on their property that's inside the town right away, that should be fine. And then it's fine. How do we get that? It doesn't seem like this language has all that. Well, because you have a problem, because your problem is this. You can say no political campaign signs can be allowed on public or town-owned property, like the town hall, the clerk's office, the ban shell, he mine. But the state says, because of the state's exempt law, we have to allow campaigns. We can say this. We have to allow campaign signs within our right-of-town highway. As long as they... Because... Yeah. Right? As with regulations here. So you're looking for two different things. Well, it's going to be 24.75 feet from the sideline. So that's a full lane. Well, since somebody's... Yeah, all right. Well, we're not going to do it on people's private property. What we're saying is, like what I'm saying too is that little triangle up there, we're going to have to allow them because that's what we did, that's on the town highway. But we can say no to the town hall, the town office, the town barrage. We can say no to the properties. I'm just telling you... But if I read it right, if someone wanted to put one on the... We'll call it the church street, pleasant street. Common green area. If someone wants to put one there, and by the state statue, they would have to get permission first. Not permission. They have to let you know that you're going to put one there. No, we're saying no. They can't put it there. If you look at number two, it says, no political campaign signs will be allowed on public town and property at the top of H2. So what we're saying is, so we're saying they can't, but the town highway is, because of the state statue, we have to allow it apparently within the right way. So I'll tell you what, this is what they're telling us. So the pleasant street, well, the church street, pleasant street one, the one down by... The triangle. 107 and 12. Yeah. And then the one, there's one kind of a smaller one up by North Road, River Road. Yeah. So those three right now would say no. Is that how... I just want to make sure I understand. They would say... Or they say, and some of these are inside the state statue, which allows it if they ask. Let's see. And this says, signs erected and maintained by or within the approval of a town outside the highway. Where do we... I just want to make it easy. So if we say, you know, AJ, there's two signs that are sitting down there in the common area. I want you to go pick them up. You know, then he's... Right. And go do it. You know, I mean, not have to... Because they're... Well, that one's in a certain... All right. And more than the fourth time, I want you to find the one that I'll read it to you with the states. Because this was on the... Signs to be maintained for not more than two weeks announcing an auction or a campaign drive or event of a civic, philanthropic or religious organization. That's what the states 10 BSA 9049. And I, from the secretary of states thing that they had put out, it made it sound like we had to adhere to this. And we find that. I'm going to read that to you. It's... They put out this... And then maybe under full point two, they may want to put or otherwise given permission to do so. Because I'm just thinking right now, I mean, it's not a given that we would have the November elections at the school. So let's say something happens and we can't have it at the school and we had to move it here. We pass this ordinance and basically say that you couldn't have political signs out front of this. It says right now here you can't have political signs out front. And I can't have a political sign but it certainly will never repeat from a polling post. You know what it said, it used to once upon a time people think it says that you can, you can, town can say, you know, on signs that you can have policy, otherwise you just can't repeat the vote or some people will let you go to the signs. So, okay, so here's political candidates, exit polls, personal part, the office of secretary of the United States, agency transportation, the agency of transportation, the forces will not sign law according to these statutes. So about where the signs may not be located within state highways, which we talked about, signs should be removed immediately after the next one, signs may not occur, signs are located. Town highways, on town highways, temporary campaign signs may be displayed for a period of not more than two weeks within the highway right of way because they are exempt from the state law under 10 BSA enforcing on town highways the responsibility of the legislative body. So when I read this for instance, that's why I put this in here, because I knew we didn't want it anywhere, but because it says on town highways temporary campaign signs may be displayed for a period of not more than two weeks, so I felt because of what it says we had to do the town highways because it's telling them that's what it says we have to do. So I was saying, okay, this is what we'll do on town highways, but on town, home to property. So what were you saying about the schools? We didn't put the school in here because we don't have any say over what the school does. I was just using the, you know, because let's say something happens and we can't use the school. There's a chance in November we may have to use this. And say you use this building or another town building then, you know, the way we have it now would say that you couldn't have it here. No, it says we can't have campaign signs on our property, which is good. You want that. We don't want people to have campaign signs here. I guess what I'm still confused on is the comedy. I'll say the comedy is the garden that we have. So is that governed by the state statute or is that governed, would that be governed by what we're doing? No, I'm saying that we're get governed. I'm putting in here town hall, town folks office, van show, B mine cart, any of the town home properties we're saying absolutely no political signs and we'll pick them up. But if it's like this little triangle down here in 107, then to me that's going to fall into the town highways right away. I mean, is that the state, well, what we, the triangle down here under the bridge is us. But if someone puts one up on Church Street, Pleasant Street gardens up here, can we take a look at that? Are you talking about Van Show? No, talking at the end of the street. The freeway, there. I guess that's something where if AJ drives by and sees that there's a political sign out there that he can just pull over and pick it up, throw it in the truck and drive on, or is that one where? You know what? I'm not restraining the challenge, so we could add that in here. We could add those, it says et cetera. So we could say that's all, you pull all those signs, but if you're driving down in Moe, but on the regular highway where the town owns, I guess we leave them on the side of the road, but we're not going to put them, because we do maintain that. Well, those would all be someone's property, right? Right, so those, we don't touch anyway. So, I mean, right, I mean, even though it may not be 24.75 feet away, you drive up, you drive up Church Street here and someone's got it right on the, you know, right on the backside of the sidewalk, and we're not going to pull those. So we put in town hall, town police office, van shell, keep on park, et cetera. And it just gets in a, it's just, you know, like it's a Moe-ing pain.  So, I mean, any place that we Moe, we pick them up, I mean, that could fall under that. I'm just trying to think whatever's easiest, well, not easiest, but. It would be easier for us to be able to pick them all up, but somebody could come in and say, you know, somebody could be splitting hairs. We could say, I mean, I guess that could lead away, but because we do Moe-ing, you know, Richard Moe is it, you should just pick them up and toss it, and leave it on the porch of the town office, someone sees they can come get them. Call them, will they? We're not going to be jerks about it. You know. Like, we pick some up underneath the town, welcome to Bethel sign, somebody had political signs there. We pick that up. The little sign stands come in handy if you ever want to have like a garden sale or something. They're great. You know, just switch it in and put it out there. I can't say no. Those are good. My husband used to do it for that. Yeah. We would use to sell it. We're writing for target practice, but that's why Chris, I put it in separately because of the guidance on the secondary stage. So with what we currently have here, other than changing the should to shell, does everything else in here. But did you want to put a timeframe or just basically the two questions? I mean, does it even matter to put a timeframe? If the chances are not come back to get them. Yeah. And then I guess the road crew, if it's the day after the election, they see them, they can just throw them in the drop. Right. Like they're driving by. Yeah. You can tell them. The primary reasons would be the big one next year because there are a number of problems that are being because so many wings are going to be the sign up for that. It's true. They're going to need to put November. Right. I mean, luckily Vermont isn't really that bad, but you get some theories that really there's a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah. You know, after a while it starts vision of people coming out of the countries or in the world. Yeah. So it is, of course it's going to be complicated. We would have liked very short and sweet policy, which is what they suggested but then when I read it, I'm like, well, it can't be short and sweet because you're telling us so we can say, no, we can't put on our stuff, but it's in the town highway right away. We basically got to do the long side. But yes, at Richard's moment I'll tell Richard, you see a sign or moments in your way, pick it up or down in town office, some will come get you. But they would also have to know that, you know, if there's one sitting on someone's, you know, sometimes it might be on the back 40 somewhere mowing, but it's someone's problem. Well, we talk.  Well, we would leave those. We don't know that. Richard doesn't know that.  Over here, he works in the follow-ups, you know.  I'm assuming that the gentleman, I don't know what he does. They probably just run a mow. You can pay check. You don't want to take it off the contract or anything. Okay. All mowed, you guys have anything, anything else in there? You want to move forward with that? I mean, and we did, Dave was all good other than changing some words around it. Did Linda have any feedback on it? No. She didn't have it. All right, I'll make a motion to read except the top local policy regarding the political signs would go correctly. And I've made that meeting before. I said to, I told Dave, I said, it looks good, Dave. We might want that. I'll make some copies. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, we had to kind of make it look like we were airing our money tonight. It was a kind of short night. Is that what you're trying to extend? This is kind of fine. One of my four is, they're applying to for, like, RxL, we're into directions and stuff like that that stays up and goes with the weeks. They're actually covered by I think in the zoning regulations, I think that temporary signs are something about at his own risk about how long they can be out there. It does specifically say something about yard sales and temporary signs till they have to be picked up and all that. I think it's covered in the zoning regulations. I don't remember. You have to look at the zoning rights. They're online. I don't remember what it says off the top of my head. I just know I was reading something about temporary off-kinder signs a couple of months ago, maybe. I don't remember. I just remember that they were in there. They used to run into a lot of sign issues out and about, Doug? Oh, sure. People used to yard sale signs out and about forever. Yard sale weddings, campaigns. People have yard sale all the time. Yeah, it's true. Well, that could be a loophole. If you have one every so many days, you can leave the sign up. Right? Any further discussion on the campaign signs? Good. Moving on, Energy Committee membership. So I put in a piece of an email exchange and a poll when I were having because she had written me a while ago, you know, a couple weeks ago, she has a couple of interested young people that they do not desire in Bevel. So she asked me about it. I said, oh, she, I said, I don't know that the planning commission allowed a long residence hence why I'm on the planning commission and in Bevel. And so then I asked the LCT and she said, well, you know, what did this slide for the whole God bless came up with it and sent it to me. And so it doesn't really doesn't say either way. So I will say this tomorrow, you know, we're printed, printed tax bills today. We're still getting those ready. So tomorrow tax bills are going out and one of the inserts is a double-sided purple and drumming how we need we need committee members back because once the town plan gets adopted, the only planning commission member left. So we're hoping so honestly, if she has two good people that are interested have a background in this why would she we can't we haven't got the residents, you know, to unfortunately to sign up. I guess my only comment what I said to her was I don't think that they should make up the majority of the committee. That would be but that's just so Dave he said he's okay with non-bethel presidents being on the committee. So I'm not sure how you guys deal with that. The only thing that just my opinion if they're on a Bethel committee it should be just full of Bethel not other areas that they're trying to push through on their own agenda. That would be my own thought. I don't understand if somebody from Rawlsman gets on the Bethel board entity and then all of a sudden it's pushing I'm just using Rawlsman as a photograph. Yeah as long as they're good at Bethel or not Oh right absolutely makes sense. Yeah I mean all the committees are should be better than the Bethel right. Yeah the only and like you said the only that's on here is the an panel that's been used right. Um the good point that's do is is there really they're just the advisory committee so it's not like they have anything except the bodies so it's not like Consumption to have a really hard time getting volunteers, so. And I hope you guys all like the letter being kind of passed around the office, the insert to outline the guidance and research on the benefits of volunteering. Trying to. Yeah, sorry. Well, we've been talking about this for going on two years now, the slow dwindle of the committees and how it's gonna really slow our progression that we've had in this town. Nobody's, the last two town meetings, nobody's stood up to want to do anything. No, and honestly, if Judy didn't come, it doesn't come, you know. I mean, we're not the only towns that have this issue. No, no, no. Because I talked to Brookfield and those ones and they're in the same boat we are. But, you know, we do need to fill committees. I guess I am a little hesitant to put a non-town person on the town committee. Just because of where, like Mo was saying, where is their best interests? Are they really genuine, interested in Bethel or are they trying to question agenda from another area? The town that they resided may not have an energy committee. Right, yeah, sure. And if they make up the minority of the board. Again, we get to vote to put them on anyways. So if you had somebody that.  Because unfortunately, people aren't volunteering, so if you have two people interested in who is us, but really that's, I don't, frankly, I don't reside in Bethel, so it's really, I think a good committee. A lot of the energy now is multi-town. You know, they're trying to work together with multi-town. Right, yeah. Well, I guess that was going to be a question I had was. You put in solar panels, you're right. You know, with some of these committees that every town is struggling with, is there anything to say that we couldn't partner with a neighboring town to have a, you know, it could be the energy committee for three towns or it could be the, I mean, I don't know. I mean, could you have a planning commission that would be for two towns or three towns? I mean, just, I'm just trying to think of like, there's. I don't think you could have a planning commission. I think that would be tough, but I think energy, absolute conservation, recreation, sure, I think there's a lot of them. That you could totally do that with us. But, you know, again, she asked, I researched the LCD, I didn't ask Abby and she would do it, she's like, hey, she didn't see anything, it's that, she can solve it. Nicole had this and Nicole talked to Jose and she basically gave you the motion for the resolution. So, yes, if you're looking for something to do, the town of Beth will need you to volunteer. But I don't think at this point there's anything that you need from the board because there's nothing to say that they can't, all right. Well, I need your permission. I mean, well- And then we approve them all on case-by-case basis, anyways, no way. I think you should have to interpret this because it says right here- I don't see anything that says it has to be town or non-town. Right, it says that the Energy Committee may nominate and advise the non-building members for the committee to be approved by the selector. So, I guess what I'll tell her is, go ahead and nominate your non-resident. It doesn't seem like the board's opposed to, she just didn't want to put everybody through their paces and get their hopes up if you guys were all gonna say no. And I understand that. What does advisory non-building members mean? Basically, because they're just advisory members. I mean, if one of us got on the board, we couldn't vote on anything. We'd be as non-building members of the board. But what does advisory, I mean, why? What's that wording in the end? Basically, that the advice, this is with the motion of the prior selector, I think advisory means, so basically what it's saying, is the method of energy that it has no T, they can vote kind of amongst themselves to say, yes, we think we should send this to the selector, but it's like a non-binding, it's non-binding. They give it to you and say, I would recommend that our majority of the... Or it could be the Energy Committee partnered with a group, you know, a business group or a, you know, thing like that. It's kind of like, it's kind of like planning is partnered with, you know. He was asking if we would do it. Right. I think the only thing I would suggest is if there is a non-resident that is interested in being on a committee, that not only should they write their, just like everybody has to write a letter expressing interest, but maybe they should put a little bit of information in there on why they would like to invest, you know. So maybe we understand that, okay, they're coming from Rochester and they don't have one in Rochester and they want to be a part of that board. Or they want to be on one, but it's full, or, you know, I doubt that'll ever happen, but, you know. They also need to stagger the term. Yeah. And then, you know, they could use the... Also, I'll tell her that too, but she does that whole... Well, usually, yeah, the term is what she does. I would say that, you know, the Energy Committee, maybe we should talk about that, is maybe that should turn into some sort of more regional, not just a town. I mean, it got off the ground sort of well, but now it's kind of losing energy. Well, I can ask, I don't know if I can ask her. If I ever saw everybody in other towns, maybe they could meet once in a while and do a joint. I'll ask them if I can. They might get more out of it at this point to partner with a... I think what I'd about as an energy, I might not be calling the Energy Committee, but it's committed to use both sides of the topics. Does Burlton have anything like that? I don't know. Can you meet? I don't know. All right, I'll ask her, but... All right, so I'm going to tell her the non-residents should write a letter of interest, just like anybody else, and then just add why they want to serve at Bethel, if they're not one in their town or whatever. And I'll ask her to, obviously, do the terms, so. I will do that. Thank you for talking us through that. Yeah, I think this is just as clear as the interlocal agreement. Right, Mal? Don't get shocked. Crystal. Air motion, yes. Anything further on the Energy Committee membership discussion? Town Manager's Report. Anything that we didn't already go over? So the Conservation Commission meeting is meeting tomorrow night at six o'clock, and we find the inviting meeting. Steve Libby's going to be there, so hopefully we'll find out a little more about what's happening to the ability when the conservation instruments are coming to us, that sort of thing. So that's tomorrow night. So tax bills, yes, all day affair, as Judy knows. Preparant to tax bills today, and those are going to get mailed or get stuffed and mailed out tomorrow. So we print all the answers and we start holding them, but we had two pages of people, and part of it was because we were closed in the public in May that overpaid their taxes. So you have to pull all two pages of those people's taxes, they'll hand right on overpayment.  So those are going to go out this week. Obviously, we moved the tax to September 15th, but then the others are the same. So I realize it's a shorter distance between me now, but then it's going to be November, February, so we'll all go back on our regular schedule. So tax bills, we're going out, talk about that. The reminder that the office is closed on Friday, August 14th. Our plan is on vacation anyways. It seems it doesn't work Friday. Our Harmony Electric is upgrading our electric from a 60 amp to 100 amp service. So obviously we can't be there. I'll be working remotely, but Kelly's taking the day off. And also ShredX is coming on Friday. We're going to be hauling out the basement on Wednesday and lugging all that stuff up to the garage, which has been cleaned out, bullsheds and things like that. So ShredX is coming Friday to pick up all the boxes and I'll shred them off-site because we finally passed that, we all passed that retention schedule. We've been able to go down to trees gone through there and we'll do some more on Wednesday. Kelly's been helping there, so we're able to pull out. They'll gonna have to do a second round because we haven't even attempted to see what's upstairs in the attic yet. But we're getting there. And we've also scheduled, our auto schedule will be, but it's scheduled, I forget at this point, to clean the duct work. So that's going to be done by Service Pro and do the what else. Oh, and to see the oil will be adding another fresh air of return because our harness is working quite great because of that. It's not breathing enough. It's not giving enough air. So sometimes you can just melt fuel and develop it. So that's happening. So anyways, we won't be there for Friday, but you can certainly reach me on this. Other than that, I... A couple of things, Trish. What's the ramp update on the constable situation? Looking into alternative... I'm waiting to hear back from the state police. I received an email from Lieutenant Kessler and she kind of kicked it up the chain of command to see if there, how much it would be to contract and what we could get for hours. So I was waiting to hear back from her. I haven't. So I'm waiting to hear from her and I have not put in a call to the Windsor County, Windsor County Sheriff to see what they would do, but I'll make a note to do that. I'll also make a note. I'll email this Lieutenant Kessler.  Well, we get a fair amount of, we'll call it free service, nothing's free, but we get unpaid service that they do quite often, especially at the fire station. There's always the cops sitting there or just outside of town. So yeah. And we also moved the relocating one of the flashing signs from where the construction was, North Main. It was working at night. Richard has been great about trying to figure out how to deal with the batteries. So we're trying to figure out if the batteries are actually the signs and the last battery had to work great. So now that board is owned, that was last time you checked was only going off at night. And it's like 750 bucks to repair the motherboard. So I need to call WorkSafe and Vary to see if they have someone comes down for repairs or if they can upgrade the signs themselves or if it's experienced. So, but I asked someone at the state, I said, hey, you got someone who fixes these and he said to Dan, I'm telling you, it's like those things are designed to fail. But we don't have the money budgeted to do it. So I'm trying to see, but I was also too cheap to spend 750 on the motherboard without talking to some of the people. You need some really smart electronic guru in town that can fix anything. Do you know anybody like that? Somebody at BTC. Oh, you'd be surprised. There's always somebody that in town that you know. But anyway, so now Paul, this is around, I emailed Lieutenant Kessler, I was waiting back for her. She's seen somebody else who was further up the chain. But I haven't done anything about it yet. It's just, he's coming back in August. He's supposed to be back in August. Yeah, I don't see him by the end of the week. I'm gonna call him. I have it on my calendar to give him a call. The last time I spoke to him, he said he'd be back and he certainly has not been rated out. So I'm assuming his other projects are going along. And I do have somebody who forced him to come and check out this project. And they said it was great and it was excellent work. So because I had some questions that were brought to me and so I met with somebody there on the site. So that was reassuring. And last but not least, B-vine project seems to have come to a halt there. Well, he was on vacation, Dylan was on vacation. So he was, which is fine. And then actually behind the scenes, it's not on Haydnus because myself, John, Ashley from Du Bois and King, Chris Bump and the state, we all met on time and we had the virtual teams meeting because there was some question about our funding. So what happened is there's a culvert in there in this mess that is just old. And I didn't call it out in the project because it wasn't called out in the list of damages that was left for us or Chris and I were doing this. So it's come up now. So when Du Bois and King dealt with the work and engineered it, they moved the culvert in the spoke of work, which makes sense. Because it's permanent. But I can't prove that it was damaged. I actually have photos and there's no debris on the road. So I think the outfall was damaged but not piped itself. So I think the town is gonna end up eating the precast for the culvert plus the culvert itself.  I would just continue to push back on them.  We did, and we're going back and forth. I would keep pushing them. Du Bois and King, I'm glad we captured Chris because he's been doing extra work. He sent them a whole bunch of stuff. He sent them pictures, we sent them photos. How is that any different with some of the other culverts that were maybe 20 years old that should have been replaced, that get blown out? How is that any different? Because we never called it out with the image inventory. And you and my- I keep pushing back on them. We have. It might take you a while to get the money, but I bet you'll get the money or something. From your lips to God's ears, I've spent time, the engineers spent time. I've sent them photos and we had the geologist send them photos from the river.  Finally, now we're dry. I also pulled all the stuff from Irene and scanned that to try to prove that there was damage from a prior flood, which would give us mitigation money. And that didn't work either. So trust me, we're doing all we can, all right? I'm not sure. The netting that's up there is all pushed over. Yeah. The netting. Yeah, they had that snow fence. Oh, oh, yeah. So yeah, I'll text Dylan and ask him what's going on behind, but he was on vacation. They were on vacation today. They were? Yeah, I'm in the rush for 20 minutes just tomorrow. Yeah. Oh, okay, good. Thank you. Yeah, because he was on vacation, which is fine. But no, behind the scenes, we'll give him two and all sorts of stuff over there. And I took pictures and sent them and I've been over there on the site, too, so. But yeah. So pretty soon, and I did start my letter to Ken to extend the Penelope Bridge to next year. I needed to get an extension from FEMA, so I did start that letter for putting an extension on that project, obviously. But that was partly due to COVID, so she didn't have a problem with it. Okay, anything else? Tell me how to report. No. You got it? No. All right, meeting minutes for the 27th. Paul? Sorry, Lisa, this is the first time. I'm just going on the record, this is the first time in five years I've ever pointed something out. I've been telling you what, I was on vacation. Just the first time. I did it quick, like I got to put these out, so. The point under the capital road plan discussion, the second bullet point. So when we were talking about Gilead, we were talking about putting Gilead to gravel, and we didn't, at least I didn't have any discussions on paving it back. Okay, that will be. So if you could just take out and paving when the town is eligible for paving grants for that one. Okay. So the only one we were talking about repaving would be if we took Christian Hilldown's dirt temporarily, and then if we got a paving grant, then we could pave that again in the time we got on the road. That was me. Okay. That was it. I was sitting there going, huh? Just leave it in, but then. I didn't want some people to get confused that. No, exactly. I don't know how to use something. So. What do you got, Paul? Fireway, Paul. It's already getting pretty tough. Okay, not at the bottom of that page, any of the business necessary after some discussion, some discussion regarding transfer station and in, there you have comments of you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Is that it? Yeah, it's it. Oh, okay. Let's see. All right. I'll get around my copter. That's right, Paul. Thank you. Perfect. Is there anything else developed along that line? What line? The situation with the transfer station. They have a meeting tomorrow. Okay. So a motion to approve the meeting minutes as amended. We'll move. Second. Other communications. So I think you have the DRV meeting and this was, okay, that was the one that I was talking about. Planning commission. And commission, I made you know that reschedule, we have to reschedule for the 20th and I couldn't assume meeting much, too. So that's the name of your official candidate and you should know this on the forecast. Obviously, it's updates on the water project, the whole water project, the news. Getting a second crew starting tomorrow. A second crew for Tate Road comes tomorrow. So what does that mean? Will they be working on side road and main line or are they all gonna be on main line? Well, these guys, this crew's gonna drop back and do the connections that they haven't made no bank and some of the connections that's what they're gonna drop back and do first. While these, the crew that's here now is gonna finish on livery, this crew is gonna drop back and do the connections to get everybody connected to the water line that we put in and the reason we need that done is because of where the tank is. Once we charge this, if we are having to shut off moving up the road this part of the project and this part of town will be fine. They'll be already on the line. So how would the traffic look? Will they be in one package or will they be multiple packages? I think right now they're still gonna be one package because livery and where they are is pretty close. I think once these guys move over and start, if they're going to move next, to go do the sampling situation in front of the school and GW and they're doing another side pack of work. But right now they're gonna be on the line. I am seeing as they're getting closer to in town, one of the challenges I've seen is the shifting of traffic when it's moving through the work zone goes into the one way and when they try to get back over and come in through the corner and there's cars there, that's getting very tight. So I don't know if we may wanna start looking at limiting the parking in town because of that. Mr. Right now they have a thorough guide. Cause like a trail truck tries to move through there. So basically they should be stopping traffic further back to get them on the line. Either they gotta do it further back or they gotta go out because they're gonna have to now because they're gonna be back, one guy says they're gonna be here and the other's gonna be back here for all that. And they may wanna talk about what their game plan is for when school goes back in. Cause it will, as I know, it will get very busy and you'll have traffic backed up for a long time once the school's here. I didn't ask a point of saying it every week but we have another job moving to town. One good thing with the school from being on the Zoom meeting I was on last week is it's, instead of everybody getting out at the school at three o'clock, it sounds like middle school will be available to be picked up just after noon time. So it seems like there's gonna be some leeway where some kids might be moved at different times but bus traffic wise is all gonna kind of run at the same time. But parents coming in now might be a little easier. Sorry, I'm not sure. Cause I don't know where they're gonna be without coming close. I don't know if they're gonna be these guys that are gonna do this and then move on and do the same thing at the station on Puzzle Street or if they're gonna stay and start. I don't know what their plan is for a work break. My next one, we are getting a second group. So we're hoping to get, we're still hoping to get the project out this year. And then I didn't want to really. The earlier period is gonna be open that's probably three or something coming quickly. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. They've got one more code pavement put on and they should open it. Great. Oh, and he's about to bridge the next week. Oh good. Yeah. Again, I just recommend just making sure that is thoroughly clean. We're going over, power washed and Monday they're gonna power wash and clean it all up because then we're gonna have to give it a couple of days to dry before they come in. So. It's gotta be really clean if you want the pavements to come in.  They got a heavy packet. So this is fine. I'll make sure that these are myself around when the day that they're coming in. That's a pretty deep hole there. Yeah. You don't have to clean down. Better leave it. Yeah. And they, they've power washed it once and clean it up. They're gonna go back over and do it again. I told them to make sure he brought his chainsaw and they could cut back all the brush right there and if he had ordered us cable rail system, it had done. That way it wouldn't have been trimmed. Cable rail and pave were done. And I haven't been over there in a little while. Did they clean up all the winter sand that was kind of. Yeah. Before and after the bridge. It was a lot. There's a lot of winter sand there. And if you look at some of that comes all the way back from 14 all the way down the hill. Yeah. It just rules you that all the way. Yeah. And it all like piled right in that three-way intersection. Yeah. Yeah, it's well done. But so that'll be good. We've got bridge and then I did hear that. I asked Chris because I've written them. Structures grant for watershed branch. So I asked him. We're talking about gave you grants and this and that. He said he hadn't heard yet. He said that. They're home. VTrands budget got through only at like 60%. So Chris said it wasn't sure what's going to happen if they're only going to be able to do partial awards. He doesn't know yet. I was on a phone call with the state last week for the program. So right now unless. Structures tour. Everything. Right now unless something major happens between now and then they're not going to let any grants out this year. However, next year they'll do what? This year's grants and next year's grants. So it could be a two for a year. So anybody that was in line or let's say they were supposed to get it this year but didn't get the money. So they're not even giving them out? No, not this year. They're holding them. He thought they were going to have to cancel a bunch of state projects, too. He thought they were going to partial because I heard they'll improve the state's budget. Highway budget is 60% of what their budget was. They're just pushing it right now. All right. We'll get to know. Somehow apply for that. But it doesn't mean we're going to lose a year. It may get caught up next year unless something major happens. All right. Then I'll do it with other structures. Grants, can and baby grant. Of course, some of that is tied to what they had hoped was the next relief bill that's still all buggered up. So I don't know. But I thought there was going to be more air. I don't know if it's going to come in the next one. That one's been depends. Everybody's got a different version of it. It's not going anywhere. Well, the first thing about sandpills and that. Did everybody sign them? There was just a graph. Oh, OK. She didn't have a session last weekend. OK. Sure.  I won't go over any of it tonight. But can we get the, can we put the transfer station on as an agenda item for next meeting to go over some of the, I don't know, if we can or don't know. No, I'm serious. I don't, I mean, that's the transfer station board. And you approved people to that. So I guess you couldn't take any action, right? But you could. No, I'd just like to have a discussion point on, well one, I'd like to go over the last three years of financials there. Yeah. Then like what we've been talking about and some of the shortcomings there financially. Well, we'll have more information on Wednesday. Are you good with that, Mo? Are you OK with that, putting the transfer station on as a discussion for the select board or not? We're the ones who are going to bail on a gas loan. I think we're looking at more financially right now. Right. I just don't want us to get the same situation where we're trying to control that point, too. No, but I think right now, looking through the financials that the town of Bethel shouldn't be on the hook to correct all the different things that's going on there. And right now, we have been bailing that facility out. And the town of Rilton hasn't pitched in their half. So we need to talk about it as a board and decide if we need to meet with Rilton to say. But I think we should talk first. Well, let's see how the wind stays. Well, because we might get in the wind. Oh, well, yeah. Oh, yeah, this is going to make sure you get in the wind. Got my old packet all ready to go. Mal has his package. I've made this copy, though. But I think it really opened my eyes to it financially anyways, just looking through it today. Because I'm like, OK, who's making up for the shortcomings here? Oh, that's us. And that shouldn't be honest to make up for the shortcomings. So I guess you could have a discussion, a discussion only, but no action. Yeah, we don't take action. I think that would be fantastic. Oh. I wasn't really sure if we could have an open or open answer. No, we can have a discussion on anything we want. Well, again, as long as there's no demands and trying to govern. No, I think we should have a discussion to talk about the. And by then, we should have your minutes. So we'll be able to talk about that and then see if we want to the next step would be to meet with Rilton board to discuss it. Or it would be to make it wouldn't it? Would it be to meet with a royal board or wouldn't it? No. Financially. I think it would be the Bethel and Royals and Slep were meeting with the BRTS board, wouldn't it? Yes. Yes. That's why. Otherwise, they have to be in the loop. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They have to be in the loop. Yeah. Well, what we may want to do is make this an agenda item the next time and invite the board members to be a part of the discussion. You don't have to invite all of the press for a station board, too. Right. Well, you don't want to see how the Wednesday goes because the good news is there is a select board member possibly to, I don't know, there's one for sure that would be present. And they're making a second home or something. I don't know. So maybe we can see what they have to say to. They're coming with a check? I don't know. I just don't know because they have a local agreement off the top of my head. But I do know enough to know that their local agreement says that the select board appoints them. And so it's the BRTS board who takes action. And then I know the BRTS. I know the two towns are supposed to approve your budgets. All the towns are. All the member towns. Oh, really? I thought it was just Bethel and Royalton select boards. Our budget is sent to all towns. All seven towns, I don't know. Eight. I wasn't sure. So we'll see how Wednesday goes, and then we can act. Well, just again. What bothers me is we've got eight member towns and only two towns severing the whole situation. It is kind of funny. You would think that everybody would have one. Yeah. And then maybe Bethel and Royalton had two one or something. Well, it should be just everybody have one. And that would be the board. Well, it's kind of what they did with the school. They kind of went, the school did that, right? They each town has a member. Wall. The doctors didn't know that they were going to get a division of the board. So yeah, I don't know how long that's going to be. Well, we need to talk about that. I know Madison County that the Trent to Bristol had one person. You have an alternate, but they could come and they can't vote if the regular person was there. So they had one person for each. That's not the way this was structured. It was not. It was just Bethel and Royalton. Yeah. They were member towns, well, with A to be members of the board. And we pay the same alliance. Right. The alliance fees are by your population. That's number of dollars per hand. Yeah. So we did that. They appreciate the impact of no-living fiction. We're making the laws and they got to follow them. Whether they agree or not. Well, maybe they ought to take it over. So maybe they ought to take it over. I'm sure Cosella would. I got 120,000 reasons for that. Yeah. Cosella would take it over. They said they'd manage it. I would talk to Jenna and Bethel to people because we obviously had a shortfall. I think the only reason is. We had an issue with recycling. So we called, I called Jim Toer. And it was Jim Toer and Hal, can't remember his last name. And we met down there a few weeks ago and just said, hey, you guys have been in this for a long time. Where are we missing? And they walked around. They were great. And he said, you know, trees, because Cosella would manage it.  And I said, yeah, I figured you would. But so we talked a little bit about that briefly. But they were certainly very helpful to us. But I'm just saying, it's so easy. You generate it, and you pay a good bit of it. Whether it's recycling or trash, I think that's the answer. Well, it's getting to the point where the sales team, which is a great evening, and you wouldn't believe the trash that's in there now. We were the one who had the trash, they thought it was the sales team. I know. We saw it. I mean, we did the, I ran the numbers in recycling. It was in recycling to cost over 60,000 a year. And you know what I thought about, mom? That's not including band power. Right. To deal with it, that's strictly the cost. I thought about that after I got old. When I looked at your figures, I was saying that there's nothing in there for labor. There's not, because I have no idea how much that would be. But yeah, that's strictly just the cost of it. Well, you also have the newest cost, which is the compost. That's quickly costing money that's not taken in either. And that's going to be higher than recycling at the base it's going. Well, what we did is we estimated a little higher on that, because we, it's going to be like 10 years. Which is already up to 10 containers. And so we ran them out there, but you know, it's still, but Jeff, I did the math for gowns and the crop was like 20s. This was another statement that it wasn't thought through. You know, that's it, I agree with that. So, but anyway, sorry, so I was putting on, I just, I wasn't trying to be a smart alec. I just wanted to talk about, because I wasn't sure if we could have. No, we can do it. The towns can talk about anything they want. I think we'll have a better idea after Wednesday's meeting. So, and, but yeah, so I just wanted to. We're going to be just like, well, just going to be done this, or just going to be done this, or just going to be done this. As long as we're talking about bullet points that come off of the interlocal agreement, the two towns can talk about any of that, which the financial piece would be wonderful. Now, we're going to talk about the day-to-day operations there, that's going to go through the board. And hopefully we'll make some rounds with them on that.  So, didn't then try to reject, you know, about the recycling, and obviously, Jed and I were back virtually over the numbers. So, hopefully, you know, some headway that we made on their cars, we actually realized, they don't get it, it's we do the books.  Yeah, I gave Chris the information. They do, this is...  I did the same thing every month, and I gave Chris a copy of what's their packet for Wednesday as he's golfing. Yeah, it's a little more simplified, but it's all the same information. For them, yeah. So, they have, but they were looking for because there's some confusion. Did you notice in there, Chris, that that $8,000 a day we had on the budgets? Oh, the budgets? We had an $8,000 a day down there. Oh, no, did you get a copy of the bank statement? Yeah, I didn't really look for it. Yeah, but I gave that so they realized that yes, the money's going to the bank because they have one lady in particular. I don't know where she thinks we're doing it, but obviously, those are banks. I thought I would give her that. Wait now, we count numbers, but I thought... That's one thing that I... You made a headway, because now you have, at least you're going to have a couple of people that seems like on the other side to understand the numbers. Is that person from out of the leader? If, yeah. The only thing I don't like about the setup right now, and we can talk about it, but is the delay between, because any cash goes directly to the bank. And then you don't know what that, you don't know what that is in here until you get your bank statement. You know what I mean? And you know why I do that? So you got a period of time where you have a lapse and you're not going to know. Well, yes. But what we do is, when we go, what happens is, I generated a bank statement that has their budget status report. Jen takes her deposits and she hand writes in the amount. The reason we do that is because, since I came to Bethel, and it's gotten better recently, but the deposits were wrong repeatedly. Oh, I know, yeah. About a year, 80 cents there. So every time I made an entry, a counting form, I had to go make a correction. I finally said, I'm done. I will do it when I do the thing. Now the teacher does it, but she doesn't bank statement. So I got sick of it. I'm like, forget it. I'll do it when I'm done now, because if I do it posted on a weekly basis or whatever, and check would send them to me sometimes before the month closed, I didn't turn on the bank statement to come and I have to make corrections. I finally said, forget it. We could do that before I generate it, but. Well, I mean, I think it has a pros and cons. It does. We did have an issue for a while there, and we're not saying that people are stealing money, but there was often, at least once a year, that A deposit came up missing or somehow. It was touching too many different people's hands. So I guess going directly, it's good. We just get the information, you know. Yeah, we could get copies of the deposit slips, but you know, Jen's busy. I don't need her dropping it off every day or whatever, but so yes, we could make it better. But honestly, I was sick of it. I was like, I want to rent one. I don't even have money there. It's all right with me, but I was sick of making corrections because by the time you're paying me my hourly rate to make 80 cent corrections. So that's why Jen would hand write a number, but apparently that's got something in it. But yeah, so we could do something different, but we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. Whether I see a phone or anything or not. Any further business to come before the board? I'm moving. I'll second that. Okay. Okay. I'll show you what she wrote.