Live from Washington D.C., it's theCUBE, covering AWS Public Sector Summit 2018, brought to you by Amazon Web Services and its ecosystem partners. Hey, welcome back. We're here live in Washington D.C., it's theCUBE's coverage of AWS Public Sector Summit, Amazon Web Services Public Sector Summit. It's like reinvent, but also for public sector. But it's a global public sector. I'm John Furrier with Stu Miniman. Our next guest is Vincent Qua, who's the head of education, non-profits and healthcare in Asia Pacific and Japan for AWS. Welcome to theCUBE. Thanks John, Stu. Great to be able to be here. You know, we constantly talk about cloud in the United States here and people use the word gov cloud. And Theresa and I always kind of like jokingly say, no, it's bigger than gov cloud. It's global public sector. And you bring an international perspective covering APAC for AWS? Yes, absolutely. It's public sector, okay? Outside of China, which is a different division of Amazon, you get the whole world. So Theresa and the team are looking not just to the US, it's the entire world. What's different? How does that, how's it working? Give us an update. Well, I think one of the key differences that we see is that US has really led the way in terms of the adoption of cloud technologies. We have great examples of universities that have really gone all in. What we are seeing now is that universities and education institutions in Asia are beginning to pick up that pace and it's exciting to see some of the universities really coming very strongly using AWS. And we're seeing this across, not just in mature countries and developed countries, but also in developing countries. And so it is a very widespread adoption of the cloud. And we're very excited by that. Tell us about the AWS Educate. Theresa Carlson on stage yesterday very highlighted much in her keynote about education as well as some of the work that you're doing with retraining and educating young people and whatnot. But really education has been a real growth area from interest with cloud. Because old IT, you look at that, it's okay. They've never had a lot of IT guys. But it's really changed both technology procurement and delivery, but also the impact. Talk about the AWS Educate program. Yeah, so the AWS Educate program is a free program that all institutions can join. It comes with content from AWS. It comes with content from some of the top computer science universities in the world, as well as cloud credits, where individual student members or the educators members, they can actually get access to using the real platform that AWS provide. Now this is really game changing for students and for the institution. And it's game changing because they have exactly the same access to all the 125 plus technologies that AWS provide to enterprises. And now they are in the hands of students. So can you imagine if they have the experience using some of these services, building capabilities, building solutions and services and bringing it out to the market? That's right. So now innovation is in the hands of every single individual. And Educate is such an important program to re-skill and skill graduates to be ready for the working world. Yeah, I love that, Vincent. I think back most of my career, when you talked about education, talked about like research in universities. So it was a certain top tier and a very limited amount. You're really democratizing what's happening. Wonder if you have any examples or what sort of innovations are coming out of some of these global initiatives? One of the great example is NOVA, right? So we've announced that NOVA is now building this cloud associate degree as part of their information systems technology. What's NOVA again? The Northern Virginia Community College. It was in the keynote yesterday. It's in the keynote. Not to be confused with Villanova, the basketball champs. Northern Virginia. Okay, go ahead, sorry. So there's a need there that the institutions see because there's so much that the industry would need in terms of skills. And graduates graduating with the right skill set. If you look at the World Economic Forum that was published in 2016, mobile internet and cloud computing are the two key technological drivers that's creating all these change in the industry. And many, many organizations are now investing into skilling and reskilling. Educate sits so nicely into this particular part of the agenda. Apart from what NOVA has done here in the US, there are two other examples I want to quickly highlight to you. The first is in the first week of June, we actually did an event in the Philippines. And it was a large-scale student event. We had more than hundreds of students in a single location with probably close to a hundred educators. We took them through a four-day event. Two days of skills and content learning with hands-on experience. A third day on a gamified challenge that we put the students through so that they can compete with one another in groups and thereby achieving top-notch scores in the leaderboard. And at the end of the day, they actually get to also develop a curriculum vitae, a CV that they can actually submit to companies. And on a fourth day, we brought more than 20 companies as part of this whole event. And we got the students to actually connect with the companies and the companies to the students so that where the companies are looking for jobs, these are the students that are ready with skills that they have learned over the past three days that they can apply to jobs that these companies are looking for. So that's a really strong case of what we see working and connecting skills to companies that are looking for students with the right set of skills. Talk about the international global landscape for a minute. Can you have a unique perspective in your job? What are the key things going on out there? What's the progress look like? What are some of the successes? Can you share a little bit about what's going on in Asia Pacific and Japan? Sure, there'll be two examples that I'll be sharing. The first is we know that AWS Educate started off at the tertiary level, but then last reinvent is now being extended to 14 years and above. And so now children at that age can learn about the cloud and be made aware of what's the potential of the cloud and what they can learn and use the cloud for. We've also begun to extend that work into the adult working workforce. So one very specific example that I can share with you, there is an organization in Singapore called the National Trade Union's Congress Learning Hub. They're an education service provider and they provide education services to citizens of Singapore. We have worked with them. They're using the AWS Educate content and they developed two causes, fundamentals in cloud computing and fundamentals in IoT. They've ran these pilot causes for the fundamentals in IoT to a group of individuals age 45 to 74 years old. And they came away, the course just simply blew their mind away. I mean, they were so excited about what they have learned, how to program actually I have with me an internet of things button. Now they can actually come out with an idea, program an activity on this button so that it trigger off a particular reaction. And that's the excitement that these individuals 45 to 74 years old, they have the domain expertise. Now they need is just an idea and a platform. And it's also entrepreneurial too. Absolutely. They can tinker with the software, learn about the cloud at a very young age and they can grow into it and maybe start something compelling, have a unique idea, fresh perspective. Correct. Someone who's retraining to get a new job. Correct. And innovation is, we keep thinking of innovation as something that's really big but actually innovation doesn't have to be that way. It can start very small and then scale up from there. And all you need is just an idea to apply. All right, so Vincent, one of the themes we've been talking a lot about at the show is cybersecurity. Can you speak to how that discussion plays specifically in the education markets? What we want to do is really raise the awareness of every individual's understanding of cloud computing.  We want to let them know, actually they are already interacting with cloud technologies. For example, if you have a Samsung Smart TV at home, if you have made a hotel booking through Expedia or through Airbnb, or you have called for home delivery from McDonald's, you've already interacted with the cloud. And so what we want to do is make sure that everybody actually understand that. And then through some of these causes that are being provided by our partners, then they can go and learn about the security part of it and help them have a much better sense of an idea of, look, the cloud is actually a lot more secure and we've heard many examples of that today and yesterday. And we want to give them that assurance that what they are doing and consuming, they can be part of that entrepreneur process to create something new and very exciting. Vincent, I'll give you the last word on this interview by sharing the update from Asia Pacific AWS. What's, how many people are out there? Is it growing, you're hiring? What are some of the priorities you guys have? They have a big event in Singapore. I know that we've been watching and thinking about bringing theCUBE there, but give us some idea of the growth and around with AWS people. What's the headcount look like? What's, give us some estimations. Well John, you know I can't really talk too much about headcount, but I can say that we are definitely growing our AWS headcount very, very rapidly. The needs and requirements out there in the market is so tremendous and we want to be able to serve the customer as best as we can. I mean, we are a customer obsessed company and so we want to be there with a customer, work with them to really meet the objective and the goals that they have and help them achieve that vision. And so we are just the enabler, but we empower the customer to thank you. You have events out there too, right? You have the re-invent, I mean summit. We have the AWS summit and this coming October, we have the public sector summit here in Singapore, as well as in Canberra in September. Great. And there's an education event coming domestically too. And there's an education, a global education event that is happening in Seattle in August. So we're very excited about that. Lot of action on the AWS ecosystem. Congratulations, you guys do a great job. Thanks for coming on theCUBE, Vince. I really appreciate it. Hey, we're here live in Washington, DC. This is theCUBE's coverage of AWS Public Sector Summit. I'm John Furrier with Stu Miniman. We have Dave Vellante here as well coming and joining us for some interviews. We'll be right back. Stay with us for more coverage after this short break.


and welcome to your brand expert tips so I've got a little tip that I'm going to share with you based on a question that Mars and I were asked at an event that we spoke at last night we ran a workshop and the question to me in particularly was what is it that you read so you know if I want to know about branding what is it that you read that you can recommend to me that's going to help me so Joanna as I said last night it's not something that I read about if I'm completely honest everything I do is based on my experience and the experience that I've tried and tested and measured marketing activities that we do to help get our clients a response to their branding so I don't think I've read a book on branding since I was at university if I'm completely honest so the books that I tend to read are more about how to get better results through social media or communication or customer engagement so it's from my point of view it's more about the touch point so how to get your brand consistently touching as a heartbeat as I said last night in front of the clients that you really want to do business with so there are two books I recommended to you last night I'm going to put a link to them underneath this video I just thought that rather than just give Joanna that information that you might want to also know what these books are that I've recommended to Joanna so the first book I've recommended it before but if you haven't seen this video that I created before the first book is called don't make me think by Steve Krug so if you are designing a website or you are thinking of redesigning the website that you already have this book will help you to understand the fundamental principles of creating that website from a design point of view not building the website but from a design point of view so there's so many people that try and cram their websites full of information but you know what when somebody comes to your website they already know what they're looking for they're searching for a website expert they're searching for a vet they're searching for a drill you know they know exactly what it is that they want usually when they land on your website so you don't need to populate your website with lots of what I call incontinent copy so we do this we do that we do the other you really need to be talking to that person as if they're the only person in the world and you've created your product your service your website your marketing materials you know if you're if you're aiming for someone like me then talk to me don't talk to everybody and don't talk about yourself as if you are we this you know that there are loads of us in this company it's ideal if you can talk to me as if you are doing business with me personally so of course in your about us page you could have a team section where it talks about the entire team but more than likely that customer is going to be looking for something quite specific and the first thing they want to know is that you are the expert that they can get it from that is going to provide it to them so don't make me think is a brilliant book because it really simplifies what you need to have on your website even from the point of view that again we've made recommendations about this before and I very much agree with what he says here in that using social media icons on your website is brilliant because obviously google is looking and other search engines are looking for your presence on social media because it really does take into consideration your social collateral as well as your website collateral so you'll probably notice when you if you search for me in google for example if you type in sammy blend out before my website or anything else comes up it will more than likely come up with facebook linked in twitter so it will show my youtube videos for example so you do need to make sure that you've got that social presence on your website but it doesn't need to be right at the top and in full view of that person because you want to take them on a journey and that journey is one that leads to the relationship starting in the quickest time possible the last thing you want to do is have them in a buyer's mindset and they've come to you for that specific thing and then they click on your facebook icon and all of a sudden they're off on a massive trail they start seeing all the status updates on their wall and then before you know it they're totally out of thinking about you and they're on another journey so it's ideal if you have your social media icons maybe at the bottom of your page so they're there more than anything for google to pick up that they are there and that you do have a social presence of course if you've got them through a cycle and a journey that you want them on and then you want to mention oh by the way you can keep up to date with us at facebook.com forward slash brand expert tips or go to our youtube channel called how to build a brand you could tell them these things but it's probably better that you do that in a video because then you've already started to get that relationship and they're starting to think about buying from you really would recommend you try not to take them on a different journey other than the one you want them to take so steve krug don't make me think is the name of the book and i'm like i say i'm going to put a link to it underneath this video but you know just make sure that you are using those kind of principles because it does make a hell of a lot of sense so that's a great book the second book i highly recommend that if you've read it before read it again so you might well have heard of how to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie and you've probably read it a long long time ago it's a very old book 1920s or something i think it came out so you know he's been helping a lot of people over a lot of years to communicate more effectively not just with your customers but with family and other people as well how to get the best out of people now another book has come out using those same principles which is called how to win friends and influence people in the digital age again i have recommended this book before but i think that it's such a great book especially if you are using social media to communicate your message so it really does cover all the principles of how it used to be that you'd go to a networking event or you'd meet somebody face to face and you'd have a conversation and then you'd take that relationship and continue that relationship outside of that particular meeting well now most people are having conversations online first through whether that's through mobile whether that's through a smart device whether that's through a laptop or a desktop most people are starting to now have conversations online and then they take it offline so it's really key that you understand the new age way of communication and that you're communicating effectively using the principles and the techniques that have been found to work now in this day and age so it's using all of the things that Dale Carnegie came up with in his first book and then it's taking those principles and then emerging this new digital age version of those particular techniques so again from a brand touch point point of view it's taking your communication wrapping it up in a way that's going to really get the most engagement visibility credibility with your audience and then helping you to take your your communication and your relationship to the next level so those two books are absolutely fantastic of course you know branding isn't what you say it is it's what other people say it is so when you've got a brand that is communicating consistently online through social media and it looks the same when you go to the website and then when they meet you in person your business card is the same it's like a uniform isn't it and I've again I've said this before people have been brought up to trust a uniform if you went and if you had a problem or a challenge your phone has been stolen or something and then you run up to a policeman who's half dressed you wouldn't know if you were really talking to the right person would you so that uniform is so vital and it's really really key that your uniform is branded consistently your identity and each touch point you have with your customers is consistent with your verbal communication what they're hearing about you what they're watching how they feel when they listen or read your material so those two books are absolutely brilliant at helping you to do that so they're not necessarily books about branding but they are really you know it doesn't have branding written on the front of the cover but every touch point you have website social media communication verbally non-verbally it's all part of brand extension so I hope that has helped you Joanna to really take your business forward I know that you're a website company provide websites and social media and online presence for businesses so those two books are specifically going to help you even better so if you have any other questions please do get in touch either leave a comment in the box below or email me at advice at howtobildabrand.org and of course you can also now register for the free six-step leader program that Miles and I have spent the last six months refining and creating to really help people just like you to start your journey whether that's as a new business who really wants to start getting that communication out there in that heartbeat and that pulse rate going with your clients or an established business who wants to review evaluate and start attracting a new higher level of client this six-step leader program will really help you to do that so get yourself along to www.howtobildabrand.org and all you need to do is put your name and email address in the box underneath the video and we will send you your first step to the leader program to get you started so have a brilliant day if you've got sunshine I hope that you go out there and get a little bit of sun on your face because it really does help you with your mood as well and we will be back tomorrow with some more daily brand tips so take care and we'll speak to you tomorrow bye bye


My view is that I think a lot of us in this country take a very short-term view about corruption and we think that you can kind of just put together a group, run around and call it all in a period and then you've kind of won. I think with corruption it's really a war of attrition and simply because as far as I'm concerned we've been fighting corruption for 25 years and we haven't won it, we're nowhere near winning and it also seems to me that just before elections fighting corruption becomes a very major issue and all of a sudden it's fashionable to be fighting corruption now my personal view is that corruption only exists, corruption only does well when the environment permits it to do well and in PNG we have very weak systems we have very weak processes you couple that with no ethics and all those sorts of things and you've got a very healthy environment for corruption. I keep thinking back to what we do in agriculture because that's what I do for a living. In agriculture if you remove the weeds for instance you've got to go plant something useful in its place because if you don't the sunlight and the nutrients the sunlight that's coming from the sky and the nutrients that are in the soil are still going to allow for other plants to grow now if you don't have useful plants you remove the weeds you could end up with thorns if you just kind of leave it there and expect it to solve itself it won't corruption is the same you can go jail say 10,000 corrupt officials and everybody else by the end of this year or next year or whatever the jails will be full but I'm sure you'll find that there'll be another 10,000 move in to take their place and these ones that come in and to operate in this corrupt environment might be worse than the ones you just got rid of simply because the environment still exists you haven't really fixed anything it's just superficial it's window dressing in the last five years parliament approved something like almost 20 million quina per district for 89 districts the district support improvement program now some districts have made some progress but most of them have not now if you go back and try to work out what they spent the money on well most of them spent money on cars buying four-wheel drive vehicles they spent the money on you know well cars mostly and they spent money on maintaining this that or the other thing fixing a road to nowhere building a bridge in a place where instead of servicing 20,000 people well this bridge services 500 people you know things like that things that strategically don't make sense I've been fortunate enough to do some capacity work for Ozade through one of their programs here called EPSP and in one of the agencies because the issue came up in several other agencies I decided to do a survey just to find out okay in this particular agency which is one of the key government agencies how many of them are living in housing that they could sort of call their own not in settlements and you know temporary shelters around the city 56% of them and this is in one agency are living in slums essentially in coming to work for government the average salary annually is about maybe 23,000 Kena which is what $10,000 a year now these are people who are at the front line of doing work for the state now they're gonna send their kids to a good school right I mean I'm sure for most of them their primary concern is what's gonna happen to my kids okay in the school situation you've got at a minimum and these are stats I can easily back up 76 pupils to one teacher in Australia your ratio is more like 25 to one so you want to put your kids to private school well private school could cost you your entire for one child your entire annual salary if the kids get sick or if the spouse gets sick and they need to access the hospital the public hospital they got to wait in line for maybe six hours to get to see a doctor or see someone else who can help them so they decided to go to a private doctor the up market hospitals here in Mosby charge 250 Kena which is what about a hundred and say a hundred dollars hundred and ten dollars hundred fifty dollars for a consultation of ten minutes you know some of us are in the wrong business seriously right now it's costing a lot like I live in a single bedroom flat not in a flash part of town and I'm paying four and a half thousand Kena month for that that's more than twice the annual salary of the average public servant and I can't understand how they expect to live you go to the markets and because everything is so expensive the markets are also very expensive because those people living on the fringes of society they have to make a living as well we have a small cake and the leaders themselves and the people are fighting over this little cake the leaders who are the executive if you like in a boardroom situation they're the board the board ought to be interested in higher things than the rank and file but the board is not interested in higher things the board is interested in the same things that the rank and file is interested in it's a poverty mentality so those who ought not to have the poverty mentality actually have it just like those that do have it so everyone is fighting in the mud as it were with nobody on the hillside interested in hey guys there's milk and honey in the next valley maybe we ought to be interested in accessing the next valley instead of still fighting over this one you find it all over the place doesn't matter where it's in private sector it's in government I mean I suspect there's some collusion going on between those in the private sector as I said earlier these people aren't here because we're such a great country to do business in they're here because we're a country where you can get away with a lot


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Hello and welcome to the session, I am Asha and I am going to help you with the following question which says, A, B, C, D is a rhombus, show that diagonal is AC by 6 angle E as well as C and diagonal BD by 6 angle B as well as D. This is right, what we are given, so here we are given a rhombus, the four sides of a rhombus are equal therefore we have AB is equal to BC is equal to CD is equal to DA and we have to prove first the diagonal AC by 6 angle A and C that is these two angles are equal and these two angles are equal that is first we have to prove angle DAC is equal to angle BAC second angle BCA is equal to angle DCA also diagonal BC by 6 angle B as well as D, so third we have to prove that angle ABD is equal to angle CBD and lastly that angle ADB is equal to angle CDB, so let us now begin with the proof, now in triangle DAB triangle DCB by DA is equal to DC and this is given to us also AB is equal to BC, this is also given to us DB is equal to BT, this is common to both the triangles, two ends condition, angle DAB is concurrent to triangle DCB which further implies that angle ABD is equal to angle CBD angle ADB is equal to angle CDB and this is by CPCT that is corresponding parts of concurrent triangles are equal, so this implies diagonal BT by 6 angle B angle D, now let us consider the triangles ADC and triangle ABC, now in these two triangles side AC is equal to CA this is common to both the triangles side AD is equal to AB, this is given since it is a rhombus all the four sides are equal and DC is equal to BC again since this is given to us, therefore by SSS congruence condition we can say that both the triangles are congruent that is triangle ADC is concurrent to triangle ABC which further implies angle DAC is equal to angle BAC and angle DCA is equal to angle BCA, so this is by CPCT that is corresponding parts of congruent triangles are equal and this implies that diagonal AC bisects angle A as well as angle C, so this completes the session hope you enjoyed it take care and have a good day.


So let's get started. My name is Sean. I go by batch. I work with the 15 and a little bit of PDF here. And PDF rendering is my main interesting. The interesting thing about PDF is that it's really a print format as opposed to a document format. That in itself gives us interesting challenges. People are used to PDF being reliable and producible at the same time they expect to edit PDF documents. There is a conflict of interest there between these two worlds. So we'll see how that goes. We're going to go over some of the rendering challenges and make sure it's reliable. We're going to talk a little bit about the challenges and how we're going to end the rendering. And we'll see some results as we go. So here is an interesting complex PDF. And this is how it looks today. This is how you record it. You can see it's a mess. It doesn't be a good place. And this is another one. Again, it's complex. It can be scripted. It has complex images. And you can see it's multi-layered with obviously a lot of context. Positioning, photographing, alignments, I should say, in fairness, these are not represented. Most cases were refined. This is why people complain about PDF being completely broken. But these are some of the more complex cases that are broken in ways that are not acceptable. They're essentially non-functional. So for those users who have a little kind of complex script, Asian script, complex documents that have charts and text that they can bring over, for them, this is really important. For customers who need this kind of functionality in their office suite, they can migrate to their office in a different manner. So we need to have this. This is unreadable. It is unreadable because the script that is used here is not actually rendered from false. The glyphs themselves happen to be bedded in the PDF. So the PDF, when it was generated, was generated in a... I would say full proof or a safe way so that it would be portable. But unfortunately, many of the viewers, of A&M, who were of choice that we have in the office give us this. And this, of course, is an exception. So the challenges that we have is that PDF is not really an editable document format. And we want to both render it accurately and at the same time be able to edit it. This in itself is quite challenging because the format of PDF is really designed to make sure that everything that you put on the page comes out exactly where you wanted it meaning it doesn't really understand what the text is in the same way that writer understands text. It only understands that there should be a certain character rendered with certain properties at the certain XY coordinates of the page. So the character next to it doesn't need to belong to the first character even though visually we understand that these two characters have the same word or maybe aren't because the space is also encoded, necessarily. And I will show you an example of that. When you try to edit text that is really just graphic symbols in the PDF world that becomes very challenging because you have lost pretty much all the context. So one of the challenges is when you extract the text from the PDF it comes out as individual characters in many cases and we need to do some extra processing to figure out that this is one word that there is a space in another word and so on until the new model ends in paragraph. So here as you can see this is how it's supposed to be rendered. This is the text as PDF intended to be shown and this is how you actually get it displayed if you simply took every element in the PDF and tried to render it as supposed position. These are individual elements they have nothing to do with one another in fact they don't end there as a sentence or even as words. These are just quoting characters. This is a major, major problem and PDF does help us quite a bit there although again we'll talk about some of the things that are missing since this is work in progress so we already completely done that. So why are we not really able to use popular to solve these problems? Some of the main problems that we have to do with core support popular is missing for many of the complex things that we really need like as I showed the case of the agent in the script that is included in the list is completely missing and under this license in popular as some of you will know popular is included in the real office an out-of-the-process wrapper because we cannot integrate it and that has a huge overhead at least in performance also the agent is overhead for those who need to debug some of the problems and the accuracy of the end result is also very high and it does have a lot of cases it's really not well maintained so it's something of a dead end considering all these problems together so what are we looking for? This is what we're looking for something that first of all gives us a view on the results because in many cases the user really doesn't want to add at all and I have mentioned that people typically expect to be able to add it and in the document they own unless it's protected and PDA is one of those but in practice often that's not the case often we want to view the document and probably not do much else besides in those cases what we want is we want very fast and very accurate revenue you don't want to go overhead trying to get the PDF imported into the literary office world so you want something that will really save all the overhead to create all the thousands and thousands of individual elements that the PDF represents you want something that revenue is fast and accurate and shows on the screen with low memory and CPU consumption and you also want to inaccuracies that come with the editing work for meaning since you're only showing on the screen you can't actually print it into a rendering PDF into an internet just show that on the screen and not worry about creating editable text boxes and editable shapes and layer things almost that right so this is actually something that people can play with by namely the environment area just to get to those media tools because that function is already available and people can get back to that PDF here on the other hand is giving us solid alternatives and here first of all it is significantly faster if nothing it doesn't have to go through by wrapper it is rendering directed to an image and that is happening with higher accuracy and speed it gives us something that is not necessarily difficult to recreate but it's very good that it is used already by others and it seems to be working fine and that is the ability to give us a text stream a UTF stream out of whatever shape the PDF actually stores or stores the text in so it has characteristics to try and figure out where the word race will go depending on the positioning of the characters it will be able to figure out the currently which is the delta with the y-axis delta with the characters and it will be able to deduce from that this is actually a new first character in a new word and not just the last character of the word that I have in it is a kind of trick on the on the other axis so I mentioned I said y-axis I mean x-axis and y-axis I mean to detect the new lines so the app is already quite a problem it is the problem viewer so it has a very, very wide distribution and it is very easy it is very easy it is very easy and it has an incredible license that we can integrate with our code and that gives us a very solid path to resolve all our goals and in the future we will have editing ability which will also make some progress so as I have briefly mentioned so in a little bit more detail we mentioned the immediate goals and these are to be able to render very quickly, very accurately the PDF pages and show them in online by default as images to the user without editing and this satisfies quite a lot of use cases where a PDF is a PDF that we are able to browse and view and share it they are not interested in editing just yet but if we can do that with very high accuracy we don't get random symbols and we get very beautiful layer and rasterization of the PDF that satisfies our user and also is significantly faster when it does this rendering because it isn't recreating all the high-quality objects and layers and editable shapes in memory so it does end up actually being faster if not necessarily with a smaller footprint in memory and I will show some numbers even though there was no goal as such to reduce the memory footprint you will see that there is an interesting story that I will share towards the end of the talk and tomorrow legendary in this whole I will be talking more about optimization where we target both loading and memory saving directly and this is part of that story as well now doesn't come with many of the shortcomings of the talk but we also want to go to phase 2 phase 2 is editing the PDF and for that we have chosen a smooth transition for the user so the user will go to document the PDF into the graphics and we will see the memory of the pages when they choose to edit the page they right click on the image and using the rate command they are able to essentially rate the image to its editable components and that essentially gives the user the ability to go between the image and the editable in the future when we have a much more editable functionality we might choose to make it editable or we might actually make it an configurable option that the user can choose at least on the desktop potentially for the implementation we have gone through multiple stages internally to transition from popular to PDFing for the image rendering where we did that is first of all we already had the ability to import the PDF and that only rendered the first page we've extended that to make it more flexible and we use Google in terms of API we've also done significant amount of work to try and extend the PDF API so the story there is that PDF there doesn't seem to have for manager requirements to support editing as such as long as it is rendering correctly it seems that people are happy as users however what we need is we need API to extract all the PDF details and information so that we can use that for editing and in many cases it didn't export those so internally those are the details for example for the scaling of the test the object there is matrix transformations that happen and we needed those we needed the transformation matrices and we needed the scaling and other properties of each of the individual objects and to achieve that we added new API at least to my last count and most of these are already upstream into the PDF project so this is a good story because now we don't have a very large patch and what we are doing is we are essentially simply including the upstream latest PDF and most of these API are no longer that only we use we also created a new reporting piece of logic that is the PDF filter and to help the user break it through at the moment we had to store the original PDF and that is stored as a link with every image in the page in a shared way so there is one copy of the PDF within the old PDF format that is used when you need to break the PDF either within the pre-office or externally and with the external tool that is also accessible this is the missing bit so there is more work to be done as I said this is working for RetroSync it's a large piece of effort and we are still missing many of the necessary dependencies to get the editing fully functioning some of these include features such as more complex edges and lines or any shape rendering details but we are also missing some more test cases now that we have both author and PDF we don't have the recent coverage so we really need to our testing work there another concern is that Hunter has been around for many years now and it has been testing on a large number of documents PDF documents PDF here makes a new code that we have that is not well tested more than 200 PDFs within the office so we need a better baking time so that we are really sure that we would have a regular document to transition from author to PDF so with that I want to share with you some of what we find interesting in the corner we have the old rendering that is happening with the author and the original background is the actual rendering in the image directly within the liberal office so these three choices in the liberal office directly are very recent these are of course enabled with the environment that I mentioned we won't get them by default because we don't want to create functionality for everyone so you can see subtle but critical differences popular is unable for example in this case to correctly render the background of that boss and that results in just a readable text so it's really not very helpful even though it is something that you think is probably important and this is another one in very very subtle you notice the difference yes anyone noticing the difference there is an image of a house it's closely behind the text not in front of it it's very subtle but it's not useful not useful at all for the engine this is another one it's a complex math meter it happens to me very similar to what you would expect but you can see it's a group of many of the complex parts of the math another case in not a very bad case but you can see that the text is very disorganized and that involves a lot of problems there is another one quickly you can see it should have bounds where PDF essentially describes the limits of the the vice of which the graph is rendered and has a title that even though there are coordinates for the lines and everything you're not supposed to render but the popular seems to be unaware of those limits so it ends up drawing that let's continue remember from the first slide and you can see that once you render it properly it's okay it's not recognizable that this is pretty pretty impressive now for the memory the story here is different in a couple of minutes so first of all these are the first three have complex the fourth one has a lot of images in it CSS is a very complex demo of different things that you can do in CSS which is used on the web so there is a lot of complex formatting of text and other elements and the last one is the math document that you've seen so it has a lot of text but also a lot of math is simple so you can see that in JRED it's with PDF image rendering you can see that in a couple of cases it's difficult to hire but in other cases you see that the memory actually went down so what was your the answer is that when you render an image you essentially have a fixed number of fixes that you are rendering you're essentially saying in regards to how many different things the document has you're going to render everything into x and y resolution images and then you store that in memory as a PNG now what that means is that if the document has something extremely complex and you render it the fixed resolution that you've chosen it is going to end up taking about a fixed amount of memory you cannot consume more than the size of the image of memory that is your worst-case scenario so you've essentially capped your maximum memory consumption by rendering the images however the other side of the point is that if you have very sparse elements elements in the text that describing them in library office native objects they would take much less memory so with that point you can see what is happening with the when you're rendering the text the text was more compact and important once you render them you're actually consuming more memory than you should but in other case where you already have very complex structure that is really consuming a lot of memory when you try to recreate it in the library office so by rendering to an image you are essentially limiting the maximum footprint and at least if this is representative of a typical collection of different types of documents you'll see that the average is around 100% in this case it's 97% of the original memory that you're consuming with the actual image rendering meaning that here there is no major loss unless you happen to have only a single type of document or a majority of the document or a single type of document that either wins significantly or loses significantly on the memory front so we didn't have any requirements to improve the memory footprint but we also didn't want to make the situation much worse so with that we have a couple of minutes and I'm having state questions


Hi, welcome to another episode of Let It Be Talk. It is episode number 738. Today on this Monday, February, what's the date? 26. All right. Yeah, Monday. How you guys feeling? How you do it? Monday morning drive right here on the Let It Be Talk. What's happening everybody? Hope your mile high commute is fine.  I was out for like three, four days doing arena shows with Burr and it was just incredible. Each city I just hit the ground running going to shops that I love to go to that I don't get to go to very often. So, you know, we did like Portland, Vancouver, Salt Lake City, and Portland, of course, is loaded with all of my favorite places and favorite people. I got to see a lot of good friends, eat some good food. I went to the El Gacho Steakhouse again. My good friends up there took us out and Ian and Rick who own an incredible watch shop up there and I'll talk more about that later because they are moving to a new location and I saw it and it was pretty damn good. I got to see Dave Elich. I had him on the podcast. He's the great drum instructor of the stars. He also plays a Weezer and Marsvolta and hung out with him. Burr and I hit the Portland streets, went over to first time I've gone here, Revival Drum Shop, which was just incredible. We have a great drum shop here in Los Angeles called Pro Drum Shop. Is that what it's called? Yeah, I think that, yeah, the Pro Drum Shop. I would never play drums.  Obviously, that's why I've had so many of them on the podcast. What a brutal instrument. Just your body flailing.  Early on, you have to have like some kind of large vehicle, a van of some sort just because you're the drummer and then after the gig you're all sweaty and wet. But what really blows my mind is there's not a lot of, not that I've been to at least, a lot of drum shops, actual shops that are only drums with just drum freaks. And this particular one was just fantastic because it was on my favorite side of the town, a Portland. I don't know what that side's called, but I've loved that side of town since I went the first time years ago, did a show over there and walked around the neighborhood. I was like, wow, what neighborhood is this?  It's got Ship John. It's got Langlets. It has all kinds of great coffee and food and revival drums is over there. So Eliott spun us over there and great people hung out. They had all kinds of fucking, man, they had drums galore in there and they had this 32 inch bass drum. I think it was a Ludwig. It's in my Instagram feed, but immediately reminded me of Tommy Lee. It's so funny to think about how the bass drum in the 80s got bigger and bigger. They were like 24 inch with standard bass drum and then it went to 26. And then I think Tommy Lee had like the 30 or 32 like this drum. I'd never seen a drum this big that wasn't on some big rock stars. Yeah, it was just for sale in there used. 32 inch bass drum. It looked like the one that you, like the guys playing the big band at football halftime with the mallets. This thing was crazy. They had a lot of good stuff in there. It's so wild to think about all the different drums too, all the companies and everything. Like I've talked about it for years, but D.W. Ludwig, Tama, Ayotte, which is that company I left up in Vancouver, Pearl, just all these drum companies.  It seems to me, if you tune the drum right and the shell is good, you're going to just get the drum sound because I saw like Elich playing some old rickety kit and it would sound amazing. So I don't know. It blows my mind that the drum world, I love it actually. Anyway, we went over there, really cool people. And then I took Bill and Elich over to Ship John's and I just love Mike. He's the owner of Ship John and I had him on years ago and his story is great. It blows my mind that more people don't seek out like cool shit, like these type of boutique type of artisan, Ship John, revival, Langlitz, all these places we're going in Portland. It's wild that people just, they don't really care. There's like, I need some drums. I'll just go down to a guitar center, just pick that stuff up and leave. Instead of going over to revival or some specialty place and really getting the old school treatment of guys that are just as much of a nerd over something as you are, especially stuff like Ship John, man. We went in there and I had originally gone to John when he had Mike, Ship John, John Mike. Burr was called a Mike Marin. Mike is the blueprint of the Marin look. It was hilarious. It got the mustache. Everything, it looked, it was funny, Mike Marin. But I had first gone there when he had just got the new shop and what he's got going in there now is just so incredible. He still makes those wheels jackets that I love and he's got belts and wallets and then he's got a bunch of special Westco boots in there. I didn't get out to Westco again, unfortunately, because it's 30 minutes away and we flew in in the afternoon and we had to get around town as fast as we can because the show started at 7.30.  I had him on. I had a lot of the Portland people on early days of let to be talk and the grail, which by the way, I hope you guys are digging episode one of the flashback episodes. I'm going to be doing that every Thursday because a lot of people are new listeners here at the podcast and they miss some real gold episodes from back in the day. I think that just put one up on Thursdays in case you might have missed it and relive the glory years of let to be talk. We are over at Mike's and he has his shop and warehouse all there and you just got to sit there and think about how crazy it is in this day and age of everybody just getting everything made in China that people take the time and spend the money, big money on brick and mortar. Mike could easily just have somebody in China make these jackets and then he just sells them online and makes all kinds of money, but he's not greedy and he does it for the right reasons. He loves creating incredible clothing and I just love that about him. He's like, I'm fine. And to see these people working their asses off in the shop, making these jackets and belts and all kinds of hats, it's just cool to see. And it was great to see Mike, man. He is just, he's one of the best, man. One of the best and definitely one of those people that I just love to talk to for hours because he loves everything I love. Japanese clothing, which by the way, I went to the shop in Vancouver also, which is similar to a standard and strange or self-edge. It was cool to meet. Oh, I've met TJ before in person, but it was cool to see a shop filing.  So we went to Mike's and ship John's and then after that we boogied over to Langlitz and Langlitz is just so old school. Over a hundred years old now, I think Dave, the owner, when I was there years ago, first starting to get into Langlitz, has retired and passed it down to his daughter, which by the way, there was a video that went kind of Instagram-y viral of somebody coming in for like an hour trying on jackets at Langlitz and then stealing one. They got the jacket back.  This guy's in there to steer.  So they got that back. But yeah, we went to Langlitz and I love Langlitz. They got an amazing history. There's those companies shot Langlitz-Banson that are still made in America. Made in America, man. It's kind of a weird thing to throw out there. You know, it's like, that's right, man. I'm American. I'm made in America. I'm American, man. I know. I don't want to own my rights to you. These people that love America but buy anything from China or anything. It's just cheaper, man. That's just how it is, too.  Anyway, somebody stole a jacket from Langlitz and then they got it back. But if you have not ever seen Langlitz leathers, give it a spin. Check them out. They hand make leathers. They'll, you can fly in. The first time I did it, I flew in. I got some cheap flight from Burbank to Portland. I think it was like $49 each way and flew into Portland and they picked me up and measured me up. And then a couple of weeks later, I had a new jacket that was a perfect fit that I sold when I lost weight. I missed that jacket, but Langlitz, it was just great to go see those guys. I hadn't been in there in a while. They got some really cool models. I love this model called the canine and I first discovered that from my good friend Jeff Decker and the canine is cafe and then it's got this red patch on its arm of a dog like a canine unit. Like an old police leather jacket to let you know it was a canine unit. I forget the history of that, but that's I think pretty much the gist of it. They got this cool jacket, the canine. They got this one sidewinder I love. And then they got the cascade. They have all of their classic jackets that they've been making for a zillion years and they've got horse hide. I checked it out as real nice. And then they've got goat. I've never been a fan of the goat leather. I just don't like the texture. I don't know. I'm not a goat guy. It's either got to be cow or horse. And most of the time, 99% of the time, I want horse hide. Matter of fact, I don't own any jacket that's not horse hide. I've been rocking this new green jacket on this run. It's a Y2 car coat. And I finally found a car coat after all these years that isn't eight miles long because I'm short. I'm not insecure about my hide people.  I love the car coat. I've set it over and over. Matt Dillon on Drugstore Cowboy meets Lane Staley Dirt Tour.   It's fitting good. Y2, one of my favorite leather companies of all time. I think the best are Y2 and Real McCoy's Bucco. Y2 you can get at Standard and Strange. StandardandStrange.com for all your leather needs. StandardandStrange.com in New York, Berkeley and New Mexico. Go in and ask for Jeremy and Neil and get yourself a leather jacket or boots or some denim. Yeah. Anyway, so Langlitz is just unreal. Dave Eilich has a couple Langlitz. They got used ones in there by the way. You could stop in there and maybe they have one that fits you perfectly. You just roll like some old vintage ones.  Good to see them. Great food at El Gaucho with all of my friends, people. Peter Shore came out, owner of the comedy store. The great Peter Shore stopped in, talked a little comedy with him. He saw the show. We did the Trailblazers Arena, a moda center it's called. I always call it the Trailblazers. That's where the Trailblazers play so wild just to be doing comedy in these arenas. The amount of tickets Bill is selling now is just spectacular. It baffles my mind how you can get to a level. I'm trying to sell like 200 tickets in Minneapolis at Acme and I'm hoping I can get there. And here we are doing these places that are 17, 18 and 19,000 people.  It is amazing to see somebody reach that level in comedy. There's only a handful of people out there that are doing that level, but it seems that the more and more people love comedy that they're getting into the arenas.  Fluffy is doing some arenas. Shane Gillis is doing an arena. He's doing the form.  I think he's been doing comedy 12, 13 years or something. He's doing arenas. So it's cool to see people loving comedy on a massive level. And these crowds on this run, they were spectacular, man. And I definitely say the crowds are 150,000 times better with those yonder bags.  It is spectacular just to be able to roll out some jokes and have the people focused. Thank you. If you came out to the shows over the weekend, thank you so much. Vancouver was fantastic. Like I said, I went to the shop. That's what it's called. It's a clothing place up there, the shop. What else did I do in Vancouver? I did some sleeping actually.  The amount of adrenaline I think that you get from doing these arenas, I'm in pretty damn good shape. I go to the gym every day, even on the road, I eat clean and stuff.  But when you get home and you get off that high of those arenas, I can imagine those bands say like at the level of like AC DC on the back and black tour, they were playing arenas every night. There were no nights off.  Just don't.  I feel like that just after three arenas I got home and I was like that was incredible, man. I just can't even believe how electric that was to do comedy at that level. And just being able to focus on that, take it in. I really was focusing and concentrating on taking it in. People will talk to me here and there and they'll say, hey man, take it in, dude. And I really have been practicing that on this last few weeks, just really looking out at the crowd, seeing someone out there. Look at that fucker laughing, man. That's amazing, you know? Oh, which by the way, we're in Vancouver for the JFL, just for laughs festival. JFL is the biggest Canadian festival. I believe it started in Montreal but now they seem to put it all over Canada throughout the year. And it was great.  I don't get to see him much, maybe two, three times a year. So it was great to see Ronnie Chang. We went to this JFL late party and man, Grandpa Dean was out. Our show ended at 10, Bill and I were done at 10 and the party didn't start till midnight. And as I kept thinking, I was like, how am I going to stay awake? Grandpa Dean was on the couch in the lobby of the hotel. I didn't want to go to my room because I know I would fall asleep. So I sat in the lobby on the couch and waited till midnight and then got to the party at like five after midnight and I was like, I'll just go for like 20 minutes and I can go to bed.  And man, nothing better in this point in my life than just having some friends that are comedians, sharing some war stories.  That was great. Second time doing that always reminds me of doing comedy there with Alice in Chains. Early on I did the Alice in Chains tour and the kick tour kicked off in Salt Lake. So it reminds me of that all the time when I go to Salt Lake City just at the time I hadn't opened for a band ever and I was like about to do two week tour with Alice in Chains and I was like, fuck, this is crazy. And so I always have that memory there. I don't remember the name of the place. It was kind of a big rock club, two stories. And I remember it had like an upper area all the way around, kind of like that ACDC video where they're all looking down. I forget what that was called too. Pretty fried today. Yep, pretty fried. Voice is feeling good though. Voice is feeling good. Anyway, so thank you everybody that came out to those shows and thank you Bill Burr for having me. Anytime he asked me on the shows, I do not take it for granted.  I throw some Ninja kicks and get that show going. Get the show going. Oh, by the way, they got this new Topo Chico. I'm drinking it right now. Tangerine with Ginger Extract.    I love ginger shots, man.  In the morning, you ever do a ginger shot, you just power it down.  So like I said, thank you everybody that came out. So lots to talk about today.  And I don't know why it surprised me because I've said it for years on the show. There are no farewell tours. There always seemed to be some kind of bad marketing that agents and managers and promotion companies came up with of the farewell tour. And there are none. I have not seen a farewell tour that was real. And I've said it on the show before. If you fall for it, yeah, that's, that's, you know, that's what it is. But you can't go and complain about it at this day and age of the farewell tour because you know that it's not the farewell tour deep down inside. You're going, man, it's just for real. And I'm going back for me, 1982, the who first farewell tour. The who are talking about touring this year. 1982, I believe that the who invented that farewell tour thing. And from then on, everybody has kind of used it. Kiss has done it two or three times. The who, who else has done it? Skinner did it. Farewell tour, Leonard Skinner. Last time to catch him. Don't miss him coming to Oklahoma City. Their very final tour. This is it, people. Do not miss the final Leonard Skinner show until next year. They keep forgetting to say that. My point is I went to Slayer's Farewell tour. I went both nights. It was the last two nights they ever played at the LA Forum.  And there's a lot to think about there. The main thing that I think about with Slayer, where I would think it was a legit farewell tour, was one, Tom had the surgeries on his neck and he was getting definitely getting older.  Now I said it before, the stones, and I was talking about AC DC going out on this 50 year tour and how difficult that's going to be.  And no way do you think when you're 60, you're going to be playing something like Die by the Sword or Rain and Blood Record.  Your hands, your shoulders, mentally, your mind, the volume of the music, the volume. Now you can get a younger drummer like somebody in their 20, like Testament has, and they can tear it up on drums so you don't have to worry about that. But you still have to sing it. You still have to get on a tour bus. You still have to travel.  I'm lucky. I'm 58 and I'm just doing comedy.  Big time. I was like walking around like, God damn. So in my mind, I was thinking, okay, that's definitely going to be it. And also, at that point, Slayer, I'm not really quite sure what the relationship is between Kerry and Tom. Of course, you have Gary Holt in for Jeff and then Paul is on drums instead of Lombardo. So it's really just those two guys. And you don't really know what their relationship is because even a week ago or two when that Rolling Stone interview had come out with Kerry King saying he had not talked to Tom since that last night. So it's been five years. He had not talked to Tom. Now, people are going to be like, oh, he obviously knew about this, these dates that they announced. Why didn't he mention that? Well, there could be numerous things on that. One, yeah, he knew about the dates, but doesn't mean he called up Tom and talked to him personally. It could be management calling each other and sending over emails. This is some money you've been offered. These are the dates. There's like two or three, five of them festivals. Do you want to do them?  I think that it was all business and it's been five years.  And so it could be fairly easy for them. I don't know. I don't know what state that Tom is in. I have not seen Tom in five years. Nobody has.  Death Angel Mark is singing on it and Mark sounds amazing. So I'm fired up on the Kerry King solo record, which is coming out pretty soon. I like anything Slayer does. I've been a Slayer guy since the first time I saw him. I am a huge fan of Dave Lombardo. I think Dave is the grand poobah of thrash metal drumming. I think that Dave is one of the best humans I've met. He was a key part of those early records and just everything about Slayer, just crazy, evil music. I just loved it. Always have, always will. I was fired up to go to those last two nights. So there it is. They announced some shows. I was kind of surprised, just mostly because it did seem like it was over. And then, of course, here comes the internet trolls. You said it was the end.  It's like, hey, man, they're all going to come back. Even if they're dead, the fucking, the bands will carry on, it seems. Skinner, Horner, I was saying that it should be called Leonard Skinner songs. But now I think I've got a new name for Skinner. When they're touring, it should be Leonard Skinner logo. Leonard Skinner logo is touring.   Come on, come on, man.  You know something's going on behind scenes that is not real? The farewell tour is not real. There it is.  Hey, farewell tour. Hey, also, though, it could be a farewell tour for a lot of people in another way. And I've said this many times, go see a band because you don't know. Somebody could pass, you could pass. And you know, so like, let's say somebody saw Slayer at the forum on the last night and then they died like a year later. That's definitely their last Slayer show. Anyway, Slayer, four or five shows, a tour. Who cares, man? I'm glad they're out there. I thought those shows I saw were some of the best Slayer shows I've ever seen.  But you know, we'll see what happens with that. But don't waste your time. It's up there with politics.     Anyway, so there it is. Slayer is on, on some dates this summer. Let's see, I got some other stuff here. I want to bring this up again because I likely touched on it a few weeks ago about my love of Lenny Kravitz. I am just blown away. Lenny Kravitz played last week at the People's Choice Award. He got some kind of lifetime achievement award recognition or whatever.   Lenny Kravitz has always been one of my favorites. Okay, so he is 59 years old.  Have you guys seen him lately?  And also he's still got Craig on guitar there. Craig Ross from what band was Craig? Let me look this up real quick. Broken Holmes or something like that.  Is that his last name? Craig Ross? Guitar? Hold on. Let's see. Sorry, guys.  Here it is. Craig Ross guitar player. Man. Oh, they got some video. Craig Ross. Great story how he got the Lenny Kravitz gig. Okay, Craig Ross is, fuck, they don't got his age.  Franklin Vanderbilt is no longer on the drums. I texted Franklin, he says he's not playing with Lenny. He didn't say why or anything. I didn't ask, I was just blown away. He was Lenny's drummer for 14 years and Franklin was a very cool human to me early on in my comedy career when I was trying to bust it out in New York and carve my way through there. He let me stay at his house for long periods of time while he was on tour.  He was on the podcast years ago and he also plays with Robbie Krieger and he's on Robbie Krieger's new record. So bummer on that.  He's just singing and playing guitar like he's 24 years old and it just blows my mind how great this guy looks and sounds. He is super underrated. I feel he is vastly underrated. I first saw him on that into the Great Wide Open tour. I talked about it.   So I wanted to get my hats off once again to Lenny Kravitz, man. He is an inspiration as far as like healthy living. I don't know if you've dove into any of his YouTube lifestyle videos.  He's like, yeah, I bought like a old, let me see if I got that here, old coffee, coffee factory in some country and then he's got like, let me see if I got it. He's got like incredible houses all over. He's got an airstream on the beach somewhere. He's just living the life, man.  I love him. Check out his videos all the time. He's got some great videos of just lifestyle like his diet or anything like that. Lenny Kravitz. Yeah, can't find out. Now I'm just zoning out.  His guitar collections is insane.  He is one of the kings of rock fashion, man.   There was a guy in New York that Lenny and I both used to go to that had this loft and I think it was Soho. And his company was called Lost Art Leather.  Forget this guy's name, but I talked to him, let me see if I can find it.  Here we go, Lost Art Leather Pants. This guy was Jordan Benton. Oh my God, I'm glad I found this guy. Looks like his website's still up.   I met him somewhere, I think at the Rolling Stones at Madison Square Garden.  Like anything like Keith Richards would wear. And Lenny was always there, guitar straps. He wrapped Lenny Kravitz Flyin' V, an actual alligator. And this guy was amazing. I loved him. He always called me rocker. Rocker, what's going on? Rocker.  Let's see if he's still around. There's no way he's around because I talked to him. Jordan Benton is a New York-based artist and founder of Lost Art. A luxury leather brand began in 1997 with the creation of his first bag called The Road.  You need a good bag. The Lost Art collection includes clothing accessories, motorcycles, instruments, and guitar cases.  Collectors include Lenny Kravitz, Steven Tyler, Sean Lennon, Cheryl Crowe, and many others. His work has regularly featured numerous international publications, such as Vogue, Rolling Stone, and Elle. In addition to the Worldwide Museum exhibitions, Benton was recently included in Go West, a publication of the most cutting-edge creative people working in Los Angeles. Oh, sorry, in the United States. Oh, fuck, he's down in...  The collection can be viewed at Lost Art Gallery in West Chelsea, Manhattan. And then he's down in Miami Beach, Florida now. Got his phone numbers there. Man, you know what? I gotta call this fucker and get him on the podcast because I'll tell you what, man, there is not a cooler character to this.  I think there's a photo of me on the website. Fuck, I'm famous. Celebrity collectors, Kirk Hammett, Lenny Kravitz, Willie Nelson.  Anyway, man, it's so cool to just kind of dive down the rabbit hole and see some of this stuff. I wore this stuff for a while and really loved it. That's the thing about fashion.  You can actually... Everything just comes back around. Like, I don't really think I will ever wear bell bottoms again. But I wore them in the 70s, of course, as a kid in school.  Then I wore them again in the round 92. Right around there is a big kind of bell bottom flavor going again. Black crows that kind of look Southern Harmony vibe. But I don't think I'll ever wear bell bottoms again. I'm almost 100% positive because I'm too short. They never looked right.   But fashion comes around.  I've never been worried about that either. Like, what's in this year?  It's what makes you feel good. So I'm watching Lenny Kravitz on this People's Choice Awards and he just looks dynamite. His band looks dynamite. And it's great to see because these guys aren't getting stylists to come down, like I said before years ago, where you put a wallet chain on and a leather vest. A lot of bands dress awful. And they're just getting this stuff that's like really shitty, not well made, doesn't fit them good.  And I'm a firm believer, man. Even Kurt Cobain put himself together, which by the way, I think it was his birthday a couple of days ago. And shout out to somebody else for, oh, George Harrison yesterday.  Anyway, it's like, I think it's a big deal. You know, I like when bands look good.   It was just a different style.  And everybody was rocking the Doc Martens that Chris Cornell was flying around in. It's a big deal, I think. Look good when you're up there. Don't look generic. My main thing is I really want to give a shout out to Lenny. I'm looking forward to his new record. And I wouldn't mind going and seeing him live again.  So I'm going to do that.  I'm cutting back on the concerts, like I said, but I'm going to see Peter Frampton this year at the Greek. I'm definitely going to see Queens of the Stone Age as many times as I can this year. They just announced the Santa Barbara Bowl show. And I'm going to see Lenny Kravitz. That's what I'm doing.  Which, by the way, this was supposed to be Michael Shrieves on the show today from Santana, but he got sick and couldn't do it. So I just want to give you a heads up that should be coming up in the future. By the way, thank you everybody that was commenting on the speakers. I did that wireless speaker run down and asked if anybody knew any stuff. And somebody on my Patreon, patreon.com slash Dean Del Ray for you people that want to join the Patreon. Lots of bonus episodes and there will be a live zoom there maybe later tonight, Monday night. I love doing the live zooms with the Patreoners. Somebody sent over a speaker company that I had never heard of. And this is what I love about the internet and what I love about people that listen to this show.  So somebody sent me this over.  It's a company called what is the Fleetwood Sound.  I'm sure it will be in a Instagram clip of mine.  It looks like a kind of an it's a combination of an old 70s. It was console stereos.  My grandpa had one grandpa grandpa Carl Carl. That was my grandpa's name Carl.  Carl's underrated Carl Frank Dean. Not because it's my name, but those fifties names Frank Rizzo, you had me Jackie. What else? Frank, Fred, Carl, Dean, old school names. So my grandpa had one of those consoles where he opened it up into the left. It was like the tuner.  I don't even know exist anymore, but you're and those old tuners were like on a ball bearing.  So that'd be on the left and then to the right would be the turntable and then the speakers would be built in. It was just like something that weighed like 7000 pounds.  Anyway, this thing has this beautiful sixties slash seventies kind of console. I'm looking at it right now.  And then it's got like horns on the top that are made out of like brass.  Now I was all in on it. I go, oh God, I gotta have that. And then I looked at the price and it was $19,600. $19,600. I want you to look at it though just for design.  It is, it's on a stand. I was shown at the Patrick Keeler who's a good friend of mine. Keeler from Afghan Wigs and Raconteurs.  Now I have not heard it and I'm going to hear it somewhere. I'm going to hear it. And they're made in America by this guy. And there's an amazing YouTube video on it. I want you guys to go see this. Thank you to whoever sent it to me because it's just unfucking real. The Excelsior by Fleetwood Sound. I've never heard of this company. And that's what I love, man, where you discover new stuff and it just blows your mind like, I've never even heard of these guys.  And every few months I find something new and I'm just so happy. Anyway, check that out. And you know, I wouldn't mind getting this system if I had the money and playing the new Judas Priest. Fuck.  I had seen Priest over the last five years a couple of times and I was like, I'm good. I don't really need to see Priest anymore.  And I'm winding down my concerts. But I'll tell you what, man, Priest has got a new record coming out, Invincible Shield, which by the way, I do not like the album cover. I don't know why bands kind of lose thought on album artwork. Maybe because people just don't see it anymore really. And so they're like, yeah, that looks fine. Let's just put the record out.  They're going to stream it for free, which was another point I forgot to say about these bands that have to come back and keep touring.  That just does not happen anymore.  Back to Priest. I understand maybe not a lot of thoughts gone into artwork anymore. But people, vinyl is bigger than ever. And people are buying the vinyl and that's the beauty of vinyl is that artwork. I'm not knocking it that bad, but it's just not very cool. I mean, when you get old, you just some people just forget what's cool. I'm looking at it right now. It's a shield. It's got some fire and it's got that Judas Priest kind of logo they came out with around the painkiller era. It's just not very good. But that's me. I love art. I love art album covers and I love design.  The first song they dropped was Panic Attack. And I was like, that's cool, little metal, whatever. But the next three are unbelievable.  Then they dropped a kind of priest type of not really a ballad but called Crown of Horns. That would be kind of in that bloodstone. Hold on, let me get this right here. Priests are masters of writing these type of songs that are these like cool. Here we go. Like Pain and Pleasure, Fever. That's what this song reminds me of. If you know that one Fever, you sit my soul on by that type of priest song. They own that songwriting style, man. So yeah, Crown of Horns. But last week, they dropped the Serpent and the King.  And Alfred kept saying, wait till you hear Sepid and the King.  Man, he was right.  And it sounds like something right after Scream, right off of Screaming for Vengeance or Pain Killer. And Rob just sounds fantastic, man. So, man, I am looking forward to this here in the rest of this Judas Priest album, even if the rest of it's mediocre. We got like three new pre songs that could go into the set list and I would not be bummed.  And, you know, a lot of people liked Firepower. It didn't do much for me.   Great. Firepower, cool. Priest, when you look at their catalog, it's tough to beat what they got.    Richie Faulkner in there, bringing the high octane, bringing the high octane, looking at what's going on in the music business. I still think that KK could come back. The way these bands work these days, you get these people around, they're like, okay, here's the money you're going to get without KK. But check out this money right here you could get with KK. You don't have to see him. He'll be on his own bus. He'll walk on over there, stage left.  So you never know.  But a shout out to that. There's some other new records that came out this week that I've got to dive into. Also, I do want to put this out there. I want to say if anybody is using a dog food, my dog's food, me goes, went out of business. I was using just food for dogs, but I can tell it's making Gertie itchy. Hit me up on the Instagram on what you are feeding your dogs.  I want to shout out some of the new Patreoners and I want to thank all the Patreoners out there. Means the world to me. Tyler Fox. Thank you, Cecily J. Thank you for joining and thanks to all the Patreoners. Tour dates coming up. I'm going to be in Fort Collins, Colorado, February 9 and 10. And it's at one of my favorite clubs on the planet, the Comedy Fort.  Then the following week, 15, 16. Let's see here. Sorry. I'm done. Let me back this up. March 8 and 9. I'm in Colorado. March 14, 15, 16. I'm in Minneapolis at Acme. And I am fired up for both these. I'm headlining.  And I am excited to see some people in the goddamn house. That's all of the tour dates right now. Oh no, then there's a mic drop in San Diego coming up also. Fired up to do that because they have not done the mic drop yet out there. And that is May 10. So here's some of the tour dates. I want to say thank you to all you once again, who are new Instagram followers and new listeners here. 12 years have been doing this podcast.   You guys do that for me. You show up. You say, hey, love the show. Love your comedy whatever. Feels good. Leave a review on iTunes. Somebody left one last week. One.  And don't forget about the flashback episodes. I'm excited about it. Got great artwork.  He's killing it with the clips, brought him on board. And anything I can do to just keep this show exciting and fresh for you guys. You know, solo episodes feel good to me. So thank you. Have a great week. And I will see you out at the shows. DeanDaleRay.com is the website for merch and everything and patreon.com slash DeanDaleRay for the Patreon. Everything helps support this show. Thank you. 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