What's up chat man? What's up YouTube? This is the needed podcast episode 88 88 weeks Eric Lindros Michael Irvin chat who's some more 88's YouTube? Who's the greatest 88 ever taught to me who's the greatest 88 is it Michael Irvin? I Mean, I think it might be Eric Lindros. I think Lindros might be over Michael Irvin Marvin Harrison was 88 wasn't he my trippin Talk to me chat 88 Marvin Harrison or Michael Irvin. That's a good Tony Gonzalez is a good one. Okay Tony Gonzalez How we are not asked you this you to ask you this are we going Michael Irvin or Marvin Harrison that I feel like that's a good debate Who are you going with? I mean, I don't know. I think Marvin obviously a lot more finesse But you know, I think the playmaker a little more physical a little more clutch with the catches I don't know y'all know Marvin or Michael Irvin. Okay, Lindros might have been over both of them being honest just being honest but This eat this is the needed pocket episode 88 and this is a huge episode because Because it happened boys the beta dropped The beta dropped we played the beta all weekend Chat, let me know if you guys played the beta Did you guys lock in on the beta?  Did you enjoy it? Hopefully all you guys got the beta now before I get into this I do want to say is The beta process a W or an L. That's why I asked is it because This is how I feel and answer me this Chat, did you guys try to get a beta and was not able to get a beta beta? You know, like does that I'm saying I this is how I kind of feel about the process one I Feel like it should be open for everybody now. This would mean I don't know I don't know what they could run into as far as a open beta for everybody I think if they gave it to everybody, they would just it would be on YouTube It would be all over the place I think they kind of give it to the people that really locking on man as best they can I Think completely open would get a little scary, you know But the other option today other end of that is a closed beta for a hundred people, you know Or a hundred or two hundred people without really telling by and promoting this beta, you know, I feel like it's it's a show It's a spectacle and on the flip side of that I mean it helps all of the man and players grow their channels by giving people clothes to give up I don't get given clothes. I didn't get my own code I had to get a coat from somebody else, but it definitely helps the community grow a little bit So I think it's a it's a strong part of the year in that terms But I do feel like I would if I was like on the fence About being a hardcore man in person because I noticed people out there People out there are hardcore man player on the fence like man I really want to get in this community and I can't find a way to get to the beta I mean that would that would distraught me from, you know, really locking it on men, you know so for me I Don't know if it's the best thing, but I mean, I think they've done it like this What is this two years in a row with the with the beta that they give people codes and things of that nature? It's not allowed to be streamed they're captured because Ultimately the beta can be more negative than positive, you know If something really breaks or something's really wrong or it really sucks or you know, it's terrible Which I don't think I don't think that was the case for anybody's experience on beta Not mine. It was damn sure wasn't terrible. It wasn't the worst thing I ever played. No, it wasn't but going into it You're really not sure what's gonna happen when you give it to thousands of people. So to keep it being captured I think it is a safe move. Honestly The codes go to the same people every year, who do you guys think should get the codes? That's my question. What what should what should the qualifications of getting the code for the beta be? You know like like that's what I'm saying like what should the qualifications be?  You understand time spent. I Don't know. I don't know the game change the game. I don't know what has happened to the game changer program people that pre-order only I Don't know Okay, and another thing is we said people play it and give good feedback now Let's and here's another Another preface for the rest of the show a preface for the rest of the conversation We have to sit back and say who is EA selling this Madden to who is the majority of the players man? The majority of the players are people that can't win consistently in Madden or people that can win 50% of the time, you know or people that suck at Madden, right?  I'll be honest This is like human human Mindset in the world if this is this is this is what separates, you know Like people it just was separates, you know good people or strong people and the weak people I don't say I fully believe that my man just with the sub but listen to me This is our worst. We all suck at something first You don't just instantly become great at something without a doubt. There's there's nothing that people instantly become great at The most talented athlete LeBron didn't just wake up dunking a basketball, right? Nobody is great at something right away, right?  Do I do I say that I'm not good? And get better at this or do I say it's everybody else's fault, but my own You know, and I feel like that's where you have to look at yourself as like What is my mindset and I feel like a lot of these man and people and people that play Madden And honestly a lot of people in the world are are more on the side of who else's fault is it other than mine?  It can't be me. I'm perfect. I'm great. The game must suck You know and I feel like that's a lot of what people mindset is that they rather look at something else to blame then take the blame of themselves and Honestly, that is what I feel separates the greatest Madden players from the ones that can't get over the hill and And you know want to blame the fact that they can't stop money plays or you know It's the same every year type of talk because that is their excuse to why they can't be good, you know and this Honestly is one of the biggest problems because now how do you Sell that type of people How do you sell that type of people a game of Madden, right? How do you a pig up because let's be honest that is 90% of the people that play Madden, right? That is so how do you sell a game? To people like that. You know saying how do you sell? How do you sell a game to people like that? What do you do? And that essentially is the problem and and and we'll get into film study, right? Because film study One of the biggest let's let's do this. Yeah, you guys are in here. Let's do this I want you guys to say what is the biggest bot complaint about Madden?  There might be three or four plays Rotated at a certain time You know, I would love to sit down with every single person and break down how the game works And and how it's really not the same play all the time I really would I that is like a passion of mine to sit with a human being with an IQ Over 40 and talk to him and show him how it's not the same I really am absolutely as I have a passion for that, but it's impossible to do that with everybody It's impossible right so we have to figure out. How can you make the game to where? It's not the same player time now and honestly This Madden is all over the place with plays plays Formations everything that can be run in this game This game absolutely has a lot of different formations and everything. It's a little bar West, but I feel like I can Convince somebody with a 41 IQ why it's not the same play, right? Exactly Niner, you know and and and one thing as we say And it goes back to the real football is a bunch of different plays Real football. I can tell you something the players on the other side, but they have human minds that can think you know Madden has AI players, you know my man. Will it will he in the chat man? What's up DJ? How you man? 16 months. I appreciate you all right double motions would be definitely cool, but That's a little complicated So that in where lies how can we convince these people or how can we improve the game? To where it's not the same play all the time, you know chat um And that is the problem, you know Because that ultimately is the thing that to the casuals. I is holding back Madden as an e-sport Now I would be the first to tell you that That the run certainly didn't help I feel like this year was a little bit weird in the fact that The run was at the end of the day everybody that won a belt did not have an intention of ever throwing a pass But if we really look if we really look at it and look at everybody other than runners and even the runners It's not like a runner just ran one run out of one formation, you know Between vote and joke and and all these guys that just rent like they knew how to use the different runs It sounds super boddish, but they really did. It's what separates those dudes from other runners, you know, and You know, so I don't think the same play is Was a thing this year really I really don't and and when I look back at the last four years Madden 18 My man DJ with the five gifted my guy Thank you up over a hundred gifted in the channel for my man DJ will ya man Shout out to him put some demons in the chat for him man If you guys aren't watching this live Tuesday 8 p.m. Every single Tuesday we do this We're closing on the 90th episode going to hit the hundreds during Madden 21 season, so I appreciate you guys man Yeah, so I really don't think Madden has ever been ever been a or in the last Two years has been a same play all the time type of thing. I really it really hasn't Yes, what's good man? You know my guy You know, so for me It's definitely definitely been a variety of plays and formations last two years now Madden 18 I'll be honest. There was one pass play that worked in Madden 18 Chad It was out of West Coast half back out or whatever it was called That was the one pass play that actually worked in Madden 18 Madden 18 The zones were stupid and I want to show some clips of Madden 18 when we get in the film study So mad 18 was kind of the same play a lot, you know, yeah, I'm gonna be honest. It kind of was you know But uh So going forward for me and I guess Madden 19 was Madden 19 was Pat sale wasn't it? Corner strike kind of worked, but it wasn't it wasn't What I mean by worked is be able to throw underneath the 91 zones really Yeah, 18 was rough But uh, like I said, so we talked about the people that we're trying to sell So it's these people that make excuses and blame everything else as to why they're losing or why they're not that good You know, I'm not that type of person. I'm the opposite. I mean, what can I do to get better? It is my fault why I lost what am I missing out? Why is this person better to me? That's pretty much what I think and why why I've gotten to the level of man that I have been at in my life, so So you got question yourself, man, if you want to start competing You gotta head that as you get to that crossroads, man Do I want to learn this and get better or I want to make the excuses? So we're selling so just remember this we are selling Madden 21 to the people that want to make excuses, right? You gotta think that like Madden is not being sold to the 300 people in here that are hardcore Madden fans It's really not Yeah, it's it's not being sold to these players. It's really not So it's being sold to the people that make excuse. They're gonna cry no matter what lights out eggs. That's how I feel But that's humans, right? That's humans It's humans.  There's no end to sim There's none. There's none my man's photo with the tier one man Yeah, so at the end of the day, I mean, I don't think pro See and that's what they pro and people say is pros pros cry the most now That's not true. Honestly. We're just in a bigger spot like so you see them more honestly And I feel like I don't cry that much as far as you guys are concerned. I really don't know If you guys think I cry a lot, but um So let's get into this film study thing chat because for me Film study it upset me There you go, my man DJ. There's only one way to become good at something what first you must learn it by reading or listening to others Who know how to do it? That's right ebooks make you get yourself some ebooks But mostly by doing it then do some more at this point You'll start to understand it, but you'll suck this stage could take months do some more after a couple years You'll get good at it do some more if you learn from mistakes And you aren't afraid to make mistakes in the first place you'll go from good to great That's that's right. And it's a lot of everybody most people quit honestly And you know what drives me nuts, man And you know what I was thinking I was talking to somebody today about Madden, right? And we're talking about sim, right? Is is there a sim community in every video game? And I'm trying to say to myself what video games have sim communities You know Like so we're trying to make a video game Like we're trying to make a video game as Realistic as possible.  Oh, there's grass outside seriously like No, I'm serious like youth about GTA, right? GTA is nuts. Is there a sim community say GTA is not real enough or No, no, he can't he died from one bullet and then I think about Call of Duty We've been playing Call of Duty a lot, right I Guess the hardcore mode is kind of the sim mode, right? Is that like a sim mode? Do people say that like, you know Okay, so this is how I feel about film study because honestly I never like to suck my own dick about Madden talent and skill like that But one thing that has made me a good man and player for over 10 years is my own play recognition My own Understanding what my opponent wants to do Taking that away when I need to take that away and and being a step ahead of them That has been one of my personal strengths as a man and player since I started I'm not the best passer. I'm not the best definitely not the best runner Not the best defensive player. I'm really just just a good player at everything, right?    Okay. Okay Okay, okay, okay Okay, so that was fighting a little bit. Okay, I don't know Cain's done but anyway That was this game now. I was playing true boy now. This was to get This was I had to win this game We're in an absolute battle and this is obviously one of the biggest plays of my life really and he was killing me And I was Six for 12. He was absolutely killing me. I could not stop him passing. I really couldn't I Don't know if you guys remember any of this game any of these games and that's an absolute dart You know Larry Fitz they're right there. Boom absolute dart Randall cutting him. Oh Little laser Jimmy Graham where you can get yards on drags, which you can in a beta, which is a good thing Mmm, David Johnson get off of them. Uh now we're gonna Jimmy jump Jimmy jump Come on, man. Hurry up and Jimmy jump. I don't know. We're gonna quarterback sneak. Okay Respect it respect it now.   He's going 17 for 21, right? Killing me killing me but like I said, I was good at this game because I played coverage And and I could predict what plays you're running 100% and that's what made me good was like, okay He's running this play over and over that's me again lasers Sean Taylor number 36 Sean Taylor will forever be glitched. I don't know. He's better than 21 Sean Taylor Then again, boom, there it is But eventually I had to make one adjustment.  He can't throw it. We get a sack. We're happy We get the fumble. We're lucky and Aaron Donald's out to the crib. I'm saying just I'm just trying to be an inspiration I made this play happen by making that adjustment by saying, you know what? I'm gonna put a hard flat because he's probably running this play with the running back on out route because he's hit me with it 1,600 times in San He hit me with his 1,600 times Maybe I should make an adjustment and I didn't need to see the play. I didn't need to see it out route Hard flat boom cover cover underneath take it away And then like I said lucky as hell he fumbled and Aaron Donald is up out of there, you know I like the way he ran and let him know that you know, we're we're a physical team So that's one of the examples I had in my career, right? This is the other example. I played Safa In the ultimate league playoffs the quarterfinals of no, this was like what's what's what's before quarterfinals This was the finals 16 or whatever the hell it was, right? Playoffs of the ultimate league. That's what this was. No semi-finals is final four. Jesus Christ I can't I can't talk to you guys about anything now. This was bunch. We talked about it Madden 18 Two plays worked half back dig out and corner strike two plays worked. That's it. There's only plays you run.   Let me put Harrison Smith right here in the flat boom Here goes Harrison Smith pick boom just like that get up out of there touchdown pick six right there boom I didn't need film study. I think I do a pass for a touchdown once in my life Yep. Yep. This was a laser. This was a laser Yep, I know I know Chad. No, that's a laser. That's a laser. That's bunch in the country honestly Now another thing he was doing was doing the cloud flag glitch, right cloud flag glitch Yeah, I'm I'm just I'm just I'm just mad So now we got Harrison Smith. Oh no Harrison Smith still over here If you guys remember the cloud flag glitch where they just chuck it at the zones and run away It's some of you guys remember all of that So he might hit me honestly might hit me with it right here. Oh, no, I don't know. He just died it. He just died it Okay, Sam Shields. Look at Sam Shields playing free safety Whereas Harrison Smith is still on the right side, but eventually he starts frying me with this cloud flat shit, right? And you know what? I didn't need Madden to tell me that you know that you're saying that he was running the cloud flag glitch I didn't need that. I didn't need that I'm anti swag with the tier one. Thank you, man. I Appreciate it. See now. It was me thinking y'all see do you see the think right here? Do they see this do they see the think I don't think they see this in matter that they don't they they don't want to do this anymore Like they really don't want to do this anymore chat.  He's on this side. You see you see me move my superstar player right here Now dream we want to talk about next round. I got they fatigued me bro. They fatigued me They fatigued me now. You see where I put my superstar now. You see where I put them See no film study No film study Oh, not yet not yet not yet I mean this was just a bag No film study. Oh no, we're gonna run. Is that we're gonna do here safa Jesus christ.   That wasn't the one Jesus, I'm telling you bro. These guys just run But anyway, somewhere along the lines he picked six one of these things I don't know where the hell it was Oh, yeah, look at that. I'm almost I'm the superstar runner. There it is. There it is There it is and I got so much stick. That's what's crazy. This is what's crazy chat somehow I could not score in this game Boom right there. Harrison smith picks it off and you know where we go chat Baha, whoop. I'm telling you man. They think it's this year.  I use my players the right way chat The right way man And it's not because the game told me to it's not because it's not because you're saying that the game said W you should do this display. They didn't tell I didn't need them to tell me that I figured that out You know saying I was fatigued. That's it.  I played that game against saffa at 10 a.m Man, it might have been 9 a.m. Right and honestly So good. Thank you. Thank you went. I appreciate it. Appreciate you guys Out and out now you guys that that actually played in in in the uh, ultimate league Drenny you can attest to this. I don't know if Drenny had a buy or he must have had a buy now So what happened was No, I played that game against saffa at probably 9 a.m. Right That was honestly one of one that was one of like if y'all ever watched that game take the time to go to youtube and watch it It was probably one of like the more actually man Actually, I'll tell you I deleted it forget it. But anyway, he returned to kick. I returned to kick I won the game right so boom.  You know saying it was rough So I finished that game. It's 10 a.m. Got to watch two games got to eat lunch I don't play journey prior to like 4 p.m.  I'm convinced I'm just if y'all ever played journey spoto. I'm I'm seriously Drenny's inside zone is it's coded in the mechanics of the engine of the game and the physics just aren't the same I'm telling you you play bazooka larry down the street Thank you, Wesley. I'm just I'm just it made no sense. It made no sense. How journey just like Everybody else lose 100 yards room It's in the code But anyway, so that's how I feel about film study.  I'll be honest. It's probably already there You know just I just how I feel where it's at Like so for me the people that say that is Play calling and and knowing when a play is coming is something that that makes a good man player a good man player It's and I I think I think it's definitely uh A skill in madden. I think it's mad.  It's 1 million percent is what makes madden great It really is and and I don't think I don't think um My man k-tex with the twitch prime my guy. Thank you But um, I don't think uh Uh That there's been one play in the game. That's cheesy. Do you guys think something that's there's something cheesy in the game? in all seriousness like If we were if if I were to uh sit down And um ask the bots like what's cheesy in the game I don't really know. I don't know what you guys could say is cheesy You know Journey, uh, it's it's I don't like it because I don't like it because it it That's what makes man players good is url's world Already having that in your mind. The film study is what makes madden good You know and and this is what they say and this is what they say is um Okay, the jimaya scheme is cheesy. Okay, it took okay No, we're so good man and players don't play mutt. Let's put it right there. Tell you that like listen Listen, good man and players don't play mutt.  You should be able to use a tall receiver You know the good players don't play mutt. I'm gonna be honest. They just don't you know mobile quarterbacks feel op This must be your first madden you've ever played because a mobile quarterback one has been an op In madden forever forever and two a mobile quarterback is pretty damn op in real life Right Seriously, right Am I wrong about that? Oh skimbo definitely plays weekend league And but and on top of this is this little jimaya chuck streaks really didn't become that pop until the last last month or so, honestly Thirds playing a streak and flat is cheesy. Is that cheesy? Okay, it's your first man. Okay. Well mobile quarterbacks Really mobile quarterbacks are really good in real life when you have a threat of being able to run and pass That's pretty tough to stop know the comments, bro But anyway, so film study for me I I don't think I'd like to see if one of you guys would argue that it's a good thing for madden Because what it's trying to do is is remove that whole Um, he runs the same two plays. That's why I can't compete, right? Right chat, um He runs the same couple plays over and over That goes back to one of the excuses why people can't win. I run the same play over and over I mean so It is it is like the bandaid That ea decided to put on to try to fix the fact that people run the same play over and over one Let me be honest if they stop taking all the goddamn good pass plays out of the game Maybe we wouldn't be stuck in one or two passing formations Because I watch madden 17 today and I'm looking at doubles I'm looking at tight offset. Remember tight offset with the c-route that was tough to guard remember that remember real c-routes Everything that that that berry bot wants taken out the game. They take it out of the game So of course, we'll find that one passing play that kind of works and let's go ahead and do it, right?   There's only three that work now What's saving madden honestly? What's saving madden is Route chems and the high route master because with those routes kind of make any formation good moron You understand So I really do feel like I really do feel like um If they would have kept a lot of the plays it would have spread out a lot of more So that's pretty much why it's in the game. They're trying to Contain hot route master is bad for the game You guys think hot route master is bad Or yeah, bring a real c-route man. Just give some other Some other um, but imagine the game without hot route master, bro Or without route chems. So so if hot route master is bad, right? As so route chems are bad too. So route chems are bad No, I don't I don't think hot route master is bad. I really don't I don't I don't understand the argument that hot route master could be bad Now I don't think every quarterback should have have hot routes hot route master Okay, I'm asking you why is why do you guys think it's bad? That's what I'm saying is running the only thing hot route master. They have done a better job of making um Somebody like Brady or paint manning usable, right? And it's like the only way they're usable My man Jehovah with the tier one Everything's bad for the game Brady was by far the best quarterback on the data. It's almost as if Brady is the best quarterback ever That's kind of what when we get back to our sim world We want to get back to our Do we want to get back to the sim world? Brady is the best quarterback ever. Should he not be good in madden? you know Hot route master does make a lot of unusable formations usable it does So in other words, let me tell you so all route chems should be out of the game and all out because you're not Going to get me to say hot route master is bad, but route chems are good. I you can't have both of those Literally cannot have both of those You can't have that argument You know That's how I feel All right, Jehovah. I'm done You know and you know what I came up with an idea today, right? I came up with an idea, right? Justin they had good routes and formations bro. They had so many more plays in the game in madden 17 There's so many more passing plays that were effective in madden 17 and they took them out Hot route master takes away a lot of the guessing game of knowing what your opponent will call Because essentially Wesley, they can put a post route on every play So pretty much there's always going to be a post route going over the middle of the field Yeah, I don't know Listen hot route master is definitely more of a positive than it is a negative. You know It it's a good thing for a lot of people to play the game. Uh, you know what I'm saying Why aren't playbooks customized to the player old timer custom playbooks is a terrible thing for madden But honestly, honestly if if If the goal is to get people to run more plays Custom playbook is a better idea than film study. Just telling you guys Custom playbook is a better idea than film study Why is custom playbook a bad thing for men a lot of madden is uh, when you choose a playbook You you got to make sacrifices and you have to play to your strengths You know, if you just have everything there is no give and take when choosing a playbook You say I want to run these couple formations, but I don't have this play I don't have the good running plays, but I like this formation better It's my strength. So I'll play to that and vice versa If you want more running plays, you'll go with a more run heavy playbook But you'll suffer on the passing plays, you know, it's something you have to make a decision as as a madden player on top of that Knowing what your opponent has and doesn't have in his playbook is part of being a great defensive player. Honestly You know Yeah, yeah, the raiders playbook did have a little bit Um, a little bit too much You know But uh, honestly, but there's a finish on film study I I think it just it gives it gives you us all an idea of where The game is going and where uh, and where what they are a scent and I don't want to say catering to but what they're trying to focus on and uh I guess that is the word who are there catering to you know with this ability and one It would be super cool if it was a x-factor You know get an interception with Earl Thomas get three hitsticks Where Earl Thomas do something other than allow me to call the same three plays right chat Like because I'll be honest I've had two safeties activated in a weekend league for four months And these bitches start blowing up and there's literally no difference There is no difference between a glowing tailor maze and a regular tailor maze Make it something that I have to in saying that I have to do something for You know Then I'll be like, okay I don't think anybody is going to make a run in a classic because of film study Nobody will make a run because of that ability It just for me. It just tells us Who the target audience of Madden ultimately is and that is the audience that you know is the bigger percentage Yes, you get an interception then we can go ahead boom That would be cool what I use film study. Um The way Lamar Jackson is looking no But in in mutt. I'm assuming a salary cap. It's going to be 999 cap. It's not going to be a viable thing in mutt. 1 million percent will be on my field Why not and this is what I'm saying And this is what you got to realize about madden madden players, right? We could throw something we could trash something all year.  I I'm too.  I don't want to run the meta. I'm gonna have Two safeties in the back with film study.  Yes, sir Get on over here. Just get on over here in my secondary Lamar is not ass and I will get to that when we talk about offense because I don't know how I feel about it. I don't know how I feel about Lamar I don't know how I feel about it. But we'll get to that when we talk about offense. But I said film study I think A strength of a man player is anticipating plays that are called I think it's something that separates a good player from an average player And I think it's something that not everybody should have just because they have a real time It's on the field, you know, and I don't think I don't think that's the case You know, and if your goal is to make people use more plays Call different plays open up the playbook one make more plays viable Right chat.  It is It really is So make some better plays be more creative Realize why a bunch is good add that type of concept to other formations allow us to block wide receivers Allow more things to make other formations viable and last things last stop taking the good passing plays out of the game And maybe people will use different formations because I watch man 17 today I watch canes use four formations. I watch jet use a bunch of formations true boy I seen them go all over the place using formations uh, honestly Stop taking out the bad the good plays really Because barry bot tells you the sea route in tight offset is too hard to stop or we can't stop sea routes. That's like Man in 17 right that was the sea route year Right where you could see route glitch Pretty much if you put a flat and a sea route on the wide side of the field Nothing would cover the sea route. You could throw it every time on barry the bot right But not on good players We knew if you put a soft squat and a hard flat on the same side They will throw an interception picking off the sea route.  We got to take them out the game Right So so essentially you're just whittling down the amount of usable formations seriously All right, and that's a good question. Lucky. What players do you think would have uh Could have film study. I think earl timeness I think film study is probably an awareness rating. I would say someone a veteran player We're talking 10 plus years in the league um I don't know. I'm not giving it to minka. He I don't think minka's that type of player Harrison smith. Maybe I mean keekly a linebacker somebody like that. Maybe a devon mccordy Harrison smith I think eddie jackson's too young. Oh, that's proof. Never mind bobby wagner Do you think do you think that's a I think it's more of a safety ability than like a linebacker or corner ability, right? I think minka's a little young in the league. Uh, you know saying I don't know. That's just how I feel I don't know Pat p. Yeah, that's a good point. He should The badger Well, obviously I feel like any of these legend safeties will have it You know that come in the game for real for real. Jalen mills should have it seriously Yeah, I mean the legends surely will have it night wing my guy. Thank you, man I appreciate you Yeah, Byron's a good good choice. He's pretty solid But I think you'd have to be kind of a uh, yeah, it should kind of be like an older player that's that's got a lot of experience, right? Someone known for film study. All right, that's done it Keekley isn't in the keekley retired Then if the keekley come back or something all you guys are saying keekley like he came back Did he come back and I didn't know about it? I don't know. I thought he retired But who knows I mean I Think Earl was probably the best you know saying linebackers What if film study was just on the side of the field they were on? I don't think there's anything you'll get me to say that showing play art on a field is a good thing ever I really don't think it's a good thing. I didn't even think it was when paid man He had the ball. No, that's my job. That's what makes me better than buried the bot. Seriously That's literally what makes me better than him and we're so concerned about let's make a skill gap That's literally what makes good man players is anticipating what's on the field and then reacting if they were right or they were wrong That's what makes madden great. Seriously. It really is. I don't know how you guys can understand that X factor It I guess it's a compromise. I agree if it's gotta be in the game. It can't just be automatically It just can't be You know You know, that's all it can't be automatic. Oh automatically called the same three plays Let's go ahead and let's go ahead and give him the ability to see everything You know, my man kevin has turned the chat 37 months for my man. Kev. What's up, man? double me Ah the rust no, I thought threat detector was super threat detector threat detector was super bad Um Yeah, that detector was op it really was and not enough people used it because one um You're not really going to use a lineman ability. Did any quarterbacks ever get threat protector and mutt? That's the question. I asked you guys was that ever an option to put on a quarterback? I don't think it was ever an option to put on a quarterback So I don't think any I mean if I had lineman abilities threat detector 100 would have been one of them Russell Wilson had it in rakes Mahomes, I don't think my home's that my home's had it in that cfm. I played I think Yeah Yeah, my home's had it in my cfm. Somehow now. I don't think brady had threat detector But I thought that was op for real for real, but let's talk about the defense on the beta Like I mean we just said the the linebackers they continue to make linebackers like absolutely useless is that the word absolutely useless, right?  I will tell you 1 million percent about the zones Me is like linebackers One we went from last year where we literally took the ability of a linebacker to jump or catch the ball Like literally just linebacker can't jump um, I I personally feel like Some linebackers are I don't know if i'm wrong in saying there's some of the most athletic players on the field I mean, I wouldn't say they're like the fastest but athleticism wise Um, I think linebackers are unreal, right? Especially in the nfl nowadays, right? Like Oh linebackers are like They're like safety's pretty much You know and we have continued to Nerf linebackers You know Do you guys all right? That's the question don't do you guys feel like They were just too slow Or was it they can't change where they're going because I'll be honest I I from this year from last year always using safety. I've always I've always been A user a safety or a corner person always like I'll sacrifice the blitz to make sure I'm on a corner You know, so for me Did you guys ever notice a difference from usuring a A safety to a linebacker You know you know You guys thought safety's and corners move the same as linebacker not It's not something I noticed right away. Now when I went on a linebacker. I was like, all right That's how I felt in madden 20 early in the year.   Are we all on slants? We're doing the all slant offense Like what are you like what? What? and honestly A learn a user Doesn't cover any route I mean, I don't know. I understand it. It's about the timing of the lurk and it's about In correlation with the blitz in correlation with the routes that you put on the field You know, it's like Like I just think about dagger right dagger or d corner out a bunch with like They the linebacker really doesn't cover either the routes. It's kind of the The impression or the mirage that they're going to cover the route that you have to wait on You know, it really is you know It's the mirage One of the routes will be open. They literally cannot cover dagger by themselves Now it will be real At this point of the year that teller maze is absolutely unreal I'll be real.  That's a good point When you look at the best passers you look at kiv where it be ghosts fancies in the chat Wesley's in the chat skimbo. Yo, there's a reason why dudes don't corner routes crossing routes and they attack the sideline Listen as a passer, I don't want anything to do with your user.  Right chat. That is what I want to do I might put a hitch. I might put a whip route.  That is offense. It is It doesn't let me tell you so just if you attack the user You will lose that battle sometimes and you can win that battle 10 times in a row if you lose it once You're cooked Old timer. That's a good point. I feel like a lot of people A lot of people when they get on madden they go from and I did too. I remember madden 06 I remember my plays. Yeah bot of the world.  Dive full back dive. I mixed it up. I played with jamal lewis and the ravens 4 6 on defense with ed read up top. I would use her ed read thought I was the man with ed read Dive dive tight and pass. That was it. I was bot. We've all been a bot dive dive Tight and pass to Todd heap. Todd heap was a monster This wide receiver out here. I never passed home, bro. I never passed the derrick mason ever He was just out there never doing the ball tight end attack. You know what I did No, seriously the tighten attack. It wasn't it was it was like it was like, uh What was it chat? I'm like stick. You know how stick has like he can do a little hitch or he can do an out route Todd heap unguardable. He was unguardable on the hitch or the out route if I got to 35 Oh, I'm going to Todd heap, baby Todd heap, but then I moved on I moved up a little bit Man oh seven. I think that's when I was chucking high balls, right?  I'm telling you Started getting a little better man. Oh wait. I said, let me let me tell me guy. Grab his little e-book. Okay Oh, we can rocket catch. Oh, oh, we can spectacular. Okay. Okay.   It's literally against everything That's in a madden's defensive players heart mind and soul to run to the sideline No, we want to go back over the middle. We want to be in the middle of the field That's why those plays are so effective. They force your user to run to the sideline and that's unnatural Slants with an option route, bro telling you But slam outs Yeah Now you all learn somewhere There you go pta, you know for real, uh, so Why are we talking about all of this? Oh, it's about passing and the user. We're talking about the user on defense, right? Yes, four vert. No, it's the it's the five wide four verts with the tight end cross or drag right in the middle of the field That's all you're looking at, you know, really so, um I know you guys are women's do you guys have any problem with the user in med and 20 any problem even with lurker Say you got lurker on a linebacker Do you guys have any problem with that? It's 400 people in here. Does anybody think the user in madden 20 was too good? seriously Like let's think about it man, and don't be afraid to say don't be to say the freight. I didn't like it I thought it was too good. It's too fast or he shouldn't be able to cover that much ground seriously Now I personally feel like a linebacker shouldn't be able to jump room Madden 17. I see I don't really notice a big I can't remember a big difference between them I don't think lurker was a terrible ability. I really don't It might raise a good point. It's way too good right now for the first half of the year It was good now This is something and we and Fitz brought this up earlier how there's always an aggressive catch At the end of the year one thing about these madden games is that they are made from regs Like they have I don't understand But you know when the cards get this good and this fast the game is broken It just it's just broken at this point and I see lurker is knowing that good in real life like It goes back. It goes back to this. I don't want to throw near him. Anyway, I'm being honest If I'm throwing near him the play I put out kind of got bagged be honest with you guys You shouldn't be able to hold why I think they're getting away from that Uh, the old madden I will tell you this the old madden.  Um I feel like, um I don't know if we'll ever go back to that on offense, but I don't think it's that big a deal.  Maybe if I if I throw those my drag I time up x the right way. I get a perfect catch and run something like that You know, so it doesn't you don't have to be able to do it But if you have a good timing your offense is going to be that much better, you know Yeah, I Like I said, bro, you shouldn't be going near the user boys. I you shouldn't be You know the catch rating. That's not bad weave.  I never was a fan of nerfing linebackers ability to jump and catch the ball. I like You know Yeah, holding why oh, yeah holding why yeah marathon if you ridiculously hold why which is I've never been the person to do that even when you could do that man And I've never just been running around holding why ever Rizzy see that's that's You see that's the thing Rizzy you want the game to do it now I don't know I didn't have first of all and we'll get to offense in a little bit Is there anything you guys want to talk about more on defense, bro? Yeah, I don't I same thing face.  I'm old my finger hurts I don't want to run around just holding why like this Like what no I want to sit here regular and then if I have to hit why I'll hit why I don't want to run around like this Like my thumb starts hurting after a while. All right. Like what the hell? contain blitzes They fixed cheese. Listen, you know jojo relax, bro I want to talk about the d quarterback container how my linemen don't engage a block So somebody mean like the contain doesn't rush Blitzing see blit for me blitzing Um blitzing went we're going for rise shields tonight, bro. Earl put it in the strat. Let's get it Uh, let's talk about the contains boys. Let's talk about that because that's the defensive thing and blitzing Um, I personally feel like blitzing. Uh, it has a direct correlation with how well the quarterback throws the ball this year Right if the quarterback throws the ball that this year, um that much You know that much better now than he does in man 20, uh blitzing is going to be rough, you know It's going to be rough the blitz I honestly reason quarterback contains and I've said this a bunch on this channel is that Quarterback contains have been the glitchiest thing in man since they've been in the game really You know Yeah to release that was the biggest thing I took away. I've been in that then maybe the user being slow. Um Yeah, I I don't know Honestly, this is how I feel about it. Like we talk about realism like bro in the NFL teams This won't come out blitzing seven people on first and 10 It's just don't it's just not how football works, right? Am I wrong? It's really not how football works You know, you play good run defense you play solid defense Your quarterback you get to the insane you get to a blitzing down a third or six or third and seven Uh, then okay now we're now we're cooking with a blitz down, you know something like that You know, no, let's be rough.  Yeah in 1985 that oh the patch did into oh There was a rookie quarterback. Yeah, they but come on man God damn. It's always somebody.  Yeah Like god damn. Do you understand my point? The other ones. I know you're wrong people be so quick to tell people they're wrong, bro God damn, dude, my man Noah with the raid. There he is man D line Kems, um from what I played and what I watched I felt like they were pretty it was pretty uh Yeah, I would assume that the blitz needs to definitely be a little bit tougher You know, I think it needs the uh, but you know, we'll find it. I think they'll find it I think it's definitely a little bit different one thing I wish wasn't in the game is uh, what should we call it nano nano detection I think that uh, but that that's one of those pipe dream things that we talked about pipe dream wish list But contains I don't know and we talked about this before. What's the best way to get to get contains the word Decroff in the chat man. There he is 20 months What's the best way to get contains to work? I feel like you can't say never rush the quarterback You know, honestly This is how I feel And I said this before Contains were good and mad and 20 unless they got cut blocked right Who complained like seriously who complains? about What should we call Contains a man 20 I I don't think I I did think They they definitely like kind of got off the block a little bit too much But they contained really really well they did Earl I I hated 146 Now 146 with the running back glitch Uh, that was pretty good honestly, but earl.    Let's cap Earl.   Let's cap.  Let's cap.    I want to find that right now It's gotta be somewhere first person that finds the Earl live event 49ers club series find it Find it Girl, that's a lie and a half Like what are you talking about, Earl? Sometimes y'all forget sometimes like see that's cuz I don't that's cuz I don't you know portray my accolades that much I really don't do that because I'm saying Yeah, he was playbook somebody gotta find it somebody gotta find it I swear to god search it right now. Let me know when y'all have the link It's gonna happen before this podcast is over. I gotta see it. No share I don't really I don't really bring up accolades, bro. No, no, that's just corny Cuz I'm like listen, this is how I feel like I accomplished that already. I don't like keep talking about I gotta think about what I'm doing next Up there it is The definder early Okay, you trips, okay Oh little that To the 39 Damn, Earl you was gonna through him open you was gonna dot it like this, Earl Did we see him run directly in between the defenders to get hit wide open? We definitely did Who is this commenting? Okay, Earl talked to us Earl Okay, Earl. You had neither Okay, okay, Earl I like it. Did I just go mad? I think he could have Had in that jersey you ever seen somebody wear jersey and it looked like his head could fit through the jersey Bro, the jersey v-neck is down here. It is neck is this bro. It ain't no way.   No, bro. No, no No That's I've never seen this I've never seen this bro. I've never seen this Oh, I got you got personal dubby. Oh, let's cap on your performance Let's do that. Let's cap on his live event performance because I really don't remember what happened check I'll be honest. I have no idea what happened. I'm kind of I'm kind of engaged right now because I don't know what happens I see he's already getting his ass kicked But let's see how it works out because let's go because let's not make any personal things because it's 2020 We can't offend anybody. Let's not be but let's not be personal. Let's go ahead and see the gameplay Okay, good read good read. I I see what you saw I see what you saw right there didn't work out for you, but I see what you saw You understand I see what you saw I'm saying I see what you saw I see what you saw. Let's see. Okay. Okay third and sixth. Okay. I see what you saw Earl. I see it I mean it didn't work out like you wanted it to Earl But I see what your mind what you were going for right there check He wanted to go for the now listen No, because we're not going to just clown him because like look he wanted like see He didn't see this guy right here because you understand because he he wouldn't have done his pick I mean, you know because he honestly, I'm lying.  What? Showed just a great click on was manually So where are we at man? Let's fast forward. Let's see how this is going for you. Okay. Okay Niner like I say in the chat. We've been down before we've been down before chat. We've been down before Okay, okay Okay, big catch right there. That's the dda catch chat. You know when you down when you down 18 in the first half When you down 18 in the first half, that's the dda catch Okay. Okay, Earl little trips tight hand. Okay. I like it. Oh, I like the route combos, baby Okay, that's it ain't work out for you like on paper and what that was supposed to happen, Earl I couldn't block the looping shit Step up in the pocket there partner Okay, he motioned over for a blocker. Okay Okay. Okay. Good dots Okay, okay, Earl get busy On the back. How's your neck is fit? How is your neck 30 pounds? How is your neck 30 pounds? Not your gut Not your leg your neck is 30 pounds All neck Oh, look at the bag man paper plastic All right, enough of this. Let's see what goes on in the second half. Okay. We fighting back Okay, Earl.  Okay Earl, I mean the corner route was an option. Oh Okay, Earl, we just down 14 we've been down before. Okay. Good read. Good read Okay. Okay. They cheated you there. They cheated you. They cheated you Okay, level sales. Okay. Okay Are we gonna slide left or anything, Earl? We're just gonna get looped, huh? Oh Crispy Okay Okay, hold up Why are we passing right here, Earl? What are we doing? What are you doing? Kittle did not have that in his arsenal, Earl. What are we doing? What are we doing first and goal on a two? A tight and fade Yeah, you got to be the only one that's ever thrown this tight and fade. Oh, you went double fades Yo, he's swatted that so easily Hold on this one in bro. Oh lord. Oh lord partner Earl, that's what I asked. I mean you missed the live event Did you ever think about just getting up off the stage bro? And be like, yeah, that's not my day, bro Because I know a good friend of mine named Larry proof that once got up off the stage mid game He said I've had enough Oh, yeah, a good high ball, Earl for sure a good high ball gets that done for sure Mr. Live event Earl I want it. I can't lie.  Okay Big Earl, baby. Okay. That's a two x or a trade pound Suspect he's gonna be Earl what what we got going on to with the hair? We got a bawdy or this like what what's this right here, bro? You got I need answers. I need answers. What's this chat? What's this going on right here, bro? What's this right here, bro? I need I need to answer. I need to answer. I don't need excuses. I need to answer men Because you because because you don't got enough hair like I'm be honest. You need the bawdy, bro You need the bawdy, Earl I mean, it's nothing wrong. See there's nothing wrong with the gut because listen when at some point, I probably eat good It's the neck. That's crazy the Listen, I I don't think I don't think I found another like that's crazy like I'm thankful for God that my neck doesn't gain weight like that. I mean my gut does But my neck doesn't like That doesn't happen to me. You know what I'm saying? It looks like volt bigger brother Oh, that's funny, man. Anyway back to the rightly scheduled program. Oh, man, that's funny All right, how do you cap at me, bro? Some people just gotta learn how to relax All right, let's talk about the offense in the beta though. Let's talk about that, boys Let's talk about that. What did you guys like from the offense? Obviously it was easy. Um Passing the ball to and the animations were that much quicker.  Why? I want to answer to that Earl, we just kept it mad.  How is it bad? How is it bad? So, okay Like Okay, then then at some point, right? You guys are all good passers, right at some point you have to take the sack, right? I feel like that's part of learning the game and learning like you're saying you got to take the sack Like don't try to make a pass see and that's where it goes. We're so used to uh being able to pass Then don't throw out a sack then sometimes you got to bite you got to bite the play and fall down or get sacked or something That's what I'm saying like I felt the quarterback scrambling was was better though, you know I felt like the r2 was more more uh responsive As far as scrambling even without the escape artists. I had to use rg3 because uh Robert griffin did not want to play the second half No, seriously like That's that like I felt like scrambling was better. I felt like scrambling was better l2 l2 was good I don't know why I felt like scrambling was better. I thought scrambling up the middle of the line was better What does the left trigger do now? I don't know. So essentially I can't spin move in the backfield with uh, michael vick anymore All right, tell me how you feel about that. Tell me how you guys and we go into the quarterback or rolling out Tell me how you feel about this lamar jackson stamina And the fact like this is how I feel Um, this is how I feel obviously I was cool. It was annoying. He ran a blast for one yard and he's tired the next two plays That's cool The fact I came out of halftime and he literally was yellow the whole second half of the game That's insane. Is that not insane? Like he was literally yellow to hold calling timeouts. I sat him out a whole drive like bro. That's that's not That that's nuts, bro share, this is my point is that He literally did not get off yellow. It was impossible. I'm honestly, bro I don't want my quarterback getting tired, bro I sure I think so. I think they regain their stamina I don't want my quarterback getting tired, bro.    It's not good.  You've never made a live event Never don't talk about the final four of the niners club That is like 180th place of the tournament. It's 180th place Open two I'm just done bro. Like I can't believe this.  Oh, yeah grown up needed a job. Yep. Yeah. Yes. That's me. I needed to work. Yes. Sorry That's fine needed a joke And I needed to work. Sorry, then you know, that's pretty much human life roads You needed to work. Uh-oh.  Playbook You didn't do this chat. You didn't give me this link There's no way we're not ready for this. We're not ready for this chat. We're not ready for this Yo, we're not ready for this. I'm being honest. We're really not ready for this one We're not ready for this one boys I'll be all the way honest. I don't think our energy is is ready for this one. I really honestly don't I really honestly don't I really don't think this I really don't I Is our energy there chat? I need some emotes in the chat. I need some emotes in the chat. I need emotes I don't think our emote is ready for this. I I don't think I don't think it's ready I don't think it's ready. This man is capping at me. Yo What what? Hold up. I know I'm skirt on the line of danger Are we losing again not pay up are we losing again, absolutely, especially when you're not being able not able to get the kind of pass Protection are we losing again? Bro, I know that seat. I know that seat ain't holding you in there, bro I know that scene that holding you in there, bro at the Super Bowl, but did we lose again? Oh, we can flood it again again. Oh, oh, buddy. Oh, buddy We didn't get a money drive or nothing.  Oh, you was fighting.   That's Earl Like that is bro. You don't got enough hair to have hair Like you I'm be honest. You don't have enough hair. Like it's not enough up here, bro Yeah, like we gotta go with the Baldy's way better look, bro. It's a baby. It's a way better look It's a way better look All right, you being corny now you gonna be corny. So you gonna be corny.  All right. All right. That's the end of it We're gonna be corny.   Yeah, he tapped he tapped That's it. I'm done. I'm done making fun of Earl. He that hurt. He hurt right now Now he hurt he hurt. Yeah, he in his fills. It's cool. It's cool.  It's cool. It's cool. No, it's cool. It's cool. It's cool. Yeah, it's corn. Yeah, it's cool He mad he hot he hot he hot He hot Yeah, he hot He hot take 10 Take take a lap around the block.  But anyway This is going crazy. Well, I said the offense Pat go the releases of the passes super tough the animations you get when you catch the ball super tough Now I'll tell you Anyway, but and we talk about the bad defense now, this is something seriously, this is something to really That is serious. I remember going down Matt, but for man 18 There was like we had a competitive summit now I'm not invited to these things anymore, but this was back when I was I go to the summit and that's when we met with Rex is when Rex was still working He was still the head gameplay guy and something he told us bro. They have a 30 day patch 30 day patches a month after the game is out. They put the patch in the first month He was Rex was completely just absolutely honest He said, you know the first month we want the game to be kind of easy So people keep playing it. Honestly, he said the zones are the zones are going to be trash The first month of the game and I honestly the zone if you asked me The zones for me it are going to be the same on the beta as they were as Are gonna be the same on a game as they were on the beta. I if you asked me I had to bet I would think they'd be the same honestly So and but then when that 30 day patch comes if you guys remember that's the same 30 day patch That gave us the 91 zone if you remember man 18 the zones were the worst in the first month of that game, bro I sometimes make nasty. I felt like it wasn't the worst. It wasn't the best. I don't know Yeah, I think zones always get the first month. I always think they're easy. Yes What I'm telling you it's really a thing that they do the game is going to be easy The game is going to be easy the first month of the game. It's going to be easy Yeah Rex was the man, but honestly Rex was not the man when he was working there He yeah, yo soon as Rex leave all we want Rex back, but he's working. It was the same thing I feel the same way. I feel about Clint about Rex's I do about Clint I feel like there's similar people. I feel like Clint all 1000% is doing everything you can honestly Andy yeah, I guess it was kind of an earth, but I still felt like I felt like I Don't want to say you didn't need it, but to get better racks I felt like the racks were really good like something in Madden 20 that we didn't do running back table routes Running back table routes man to man always looks good in the beginning It was all is that does it Madden? Let me tell you two things that are always good the first month of the game man to man and the run game now Madden 20 was accept was an exception because the run game worked the whole year But the first month of mad man to man always works and the run game always works Why people don't had the best man beaters yet and people don't had a best run defense yet And it's the easiest thing to do so people are gonna do it You know saying It 1000% is gonna as it's a cycle of mad in my entire life Yes, throwing drag drags our back. Yeah, the zone drop stuff is cool. I do think it's good Definitely tough. Honestly, I think this is how I feel about the zone drop. It should be for every single zone There's what did we go? We said that I swear we said this last week. There's three flats There's three purples and four yellows. So that's what six zones or there's ten zones in the game All ten should have a zone drop. Yeah or honestly, let's be real I feel like You could just do it to the cloud flats and it would it would like cloud flat could be the only zone You want to change really? Yeah, I feel like all ten zones you should be able to change really Yeah, what honestly what if they did just make it just cloud flats are the only ones you could adjust you think that's a bad thing Every yard. Jesus Christ cross what the what you want to get seven yard hard flats and 13 yard purple zones like Jesus Christ Yes, they should let you preset your audibles and subs. Yes, not King wizard.  I would not blink eye about it. I blow well No zero zone zero zero zone drops Them dudes be playing behind the line of scrimmage.  We all think that's good, right? Um But it used to just be you're coming out in two tight ends one wire see me, right? I'm that's kind of how football is all you know is what their personnel is in the huddle that they break out to any formation They want to be in right they break out into anything. So Really? Yeah weak box should not be in the game.   Oh, the only stops to run Oh, there's too many. They run the same play over and over. Oh, no, but since too good Every year there's something else to complain about like come on man Yeah, a slot without weak box. You just hit 146 and they got a pass against 146 like everybody else Yeah, push strong box. I agree. Spoto push strong box. Hashtag strong box.    Oh The weight the weight of alignment should blow the safety off the ball Cuz I'll be honest this year this year This year bro these safeties are unblockable. They're unblockable You put Taylor Macy linebacker, bro He's unblockable Yeah, the ghost it has to be a nickel. It has to be a nickel normal 35 year 100% for real Yes, yes ghost that's like simply my man boogie with the t-shirt my guy man whisper me my guy I appreciate it bro for real cuz like This year honestly Bro like as far as like the safety's fighting guards, bro, the safety's whooped the guards way worse this year I do wish uh, oh you can't put safeties at linebacker anymore. Yes, you can 335 normal Depact my guy We box ever listen, I argued about weak box. I did as best I can bro strong box Yeah, what the hell? That's what I'm saying Yeah, I form kills bro.   No, he did a hot wings spin. Yeah 75k for the hot wings spin Hell, yeah, Wesley.    But I'd be trying to get better like I like like it's like what can I do?     They were doing a perk too much Ghosts cannot be good. I'm the ghost is not good at any other game, bro. Y'all think I'm ass of a games ghost is the worst, bro Bro ghost is not yo, I'm be honest for many players now. I'd be real like Wesley Wesley actually fancies kind of held to That are like good at other games. I don't know.  No for real like some bad players is just ass other games Okay, it's always been good as shooters though really Kings was good back when we playing Wars Fortnight early in the year. But anyway, let's get to the forums, bro We almost over two hours on the show, bro. Let's get to the forums. We can talk about this after the show Forums man. Now I'll be I'll tell you every link I get brings me back to this page right here chat I need your help bro because I need to see these forums raw and uncut. I need these forums raw and uncut, bro Fancy getting your fighting games don't count if you play fighting games, bro. Like you just a different breed. I Need these forums raw and uncut chat But this is every link they give me just sends me back to this like where do I go chat What do I do like what do I go up resources forums? I Got this whole master gamer sent me a whole like it was a whole spiel like which one do I go to? Type in Madden 21. Where do I type that? I have the greatest hits. I have them, but honestly, uh Ice is like they're too small to really bring up Bro, like I don't understand where I got to go here boys. Y'all not helping me right now Y'all not helping me where I got to go man Go to Madden Twitter. What man in Twitter?    Oh the reddit one's probably crazy Is this it? Are we good right here? Is this hot? Is this an L or W? Second one. Okay, second one second one second one second one. So the second one is so second one Okay, can I go back or we can't go back here or we just can't get off EA's page Is this how glitchy they are?  Okay Second one right here.  What? pre-launch discussion Okay, okay, okay, okay. Are we good now? Are we this is it? Are we hot? Are we hot? I feel like we're hot right now boys. I feel like we're hot. This ain't it What do I press? Click this Pre-launch discussion go back.  I mean, I'm reading the thousand different things. All right, this one Oh Uh-oh Uh-oh, is this right here? That's w right there. That's my name. That's not my birthday. Damn. What says 1987 9 20? It's not my birthday. Okay Get feedback. Okay, let's get it. Let's get it So are these are these the glitches right here? Oh the votes mean the vote mean a good idea. Oh my god, this is just going to be heavenly This is going to be heavenly boys. Let me see if I can make this a little bigger for you guys though Okay, okay All right, so votes mean it's good, right? 10 pages or the trenches. So all right. No, so votes mean everybody agrees Bro, my bad.  Hold my bad. Last time I was in form. I was like 13 User feels like was that literally it? Oh my god, this is going to be gold. Oh my god. This is going to be gold I don't even know. I'm not even know if I'm ready. I don't even know if I'm ready for this boys Is the is the font big enough on the screen? You know, this is y'all I'm already laughing. Oh, I'm already laughing Y'all I'm already laughing all right My man, I don't even care that user feels like veda via Okay, that was his feedback. That's it. Okay. I like it. He got straight to the point, right? My man garbors shout the garbors users do feel that way But I like d-line is going to be a smart user man covers quarterback. It's What? Yo punctuation is so key chat user do feel that way But I think d-line is going to be a smart user man coverage cpu is very well this user this year Hold up, bro Ain't no user do feel that way But I think the d-line is going to be okay now now This is not bad. Like I feel like he's going to drop knowledge, right chat I felt like he was going to drop like he said you I think d-line is going to be Really important a big part of the game Um, the most valuable position on defense d-line play is going to be is going to be vital If the user is slow, he says a smart user man coverage computer is very well this year Shout out to garbors, bro. Thank you for playing the beta My man hg heath comes in don't tune user speeds and man 20 you could defend all receivers down the field Which is extremely unrealistic made it impossible to throw more than 20 yards I feel like we went over this already my man eight heath You're not putting the right plays out there on the field if someone's guarding shit 20 yards down the field Be honest. Just not not not not going with the right plays, buddy. I'll be honest Go down to my man jackob express. Don't do not change the user speed, please Okay It was better on sunday afternoon if the user is going to be slow the zones have to be tuned up It was better. So he got faster on sunday. Okay, not not the worst comment Please do not change this the user speed is perfect right now 99 speed linebackers will be in mutton december these guys will be fine Hmm, I mean he makes a point 99 speed linebackers are geeked. However, I mean, I mean it doesn't uh, what's the name? what's Devin white and uh dion zones aren't they pretty fast one I'm hoping there's a middle ground agility should be a key stat if you are strafing backpedaling You should be able to change direction But if you turn and run you shouldn't be able to do a 180 and come back to knock down a ball That being said I should be able to take away one route and I struggled with the limited time in beta There you go. Shouldn't be able to take away one route. That was a good my man mac attack 5 28 good paragraph Keep user speed the same as the beta way more realistic this way NFL linebackers can't lurk three routes at once once again, you're just really not putting the right routes out there EA sports all when you start a paragraph with EA sports. Where by this is about to be this is about to be flames EA sports, please keep the user speed and change the direction the same is on the beta Don't give into the cheese play and users who want to superman the whole field and cover three routes The screen game has opened up as well due to this change Keep the user the same no bump at all make these gamers adjust and learn how to play real defense cover one zone area Like they are supposed to The screen game has opened up The screen game has opened up The screen game is back EA sports Oh man Wondering if change the call of duty calls this This guy's thinking outside the box to change the call What's caught? What's is is cld code for something else? That's the hobby call of duty right could it be like I don't know Commit to a route or a zone area. EA is trying to be more realistic with this feature Skill gap is having the right adjustments and thinking not terrible ones with d-line kemson fast user slower user bigger skill gap on usering I mean I I kind of feel like he has a point, but he didn't put it together the right way chat. That's what I'm saying like I feel like I feel like it's kind I don't know. No, I don't think so I I wouldn't say I don't think the speed really did Oh Oh, see if this changed the direction Man Oh, I'm salty cld. Oh, you cannot have it. Yo, you cannot chat You cannot have a cld acronym in the gaming world. Just can't Just can't My man went back to back on them. You spammed them. Okay, like box media Do not change this this great skill gap.  Y'all know that, right? Like this dude right here as spirit. Yeah, awful eight eight wins in weekend league eight eight eight It forces you to guess where the ball could be going Penalize those who think and get like it's terrible I mean, I I don't want to get to the next one. I'm having fun reading these guys All right, let's see what the next one we looking at Trucking and hurtling players reacting to ball and air The user and feels slow zone coverage gets beat really easily Running with the quarterback is too good All right, this guy first of all, no running with the quarterback sucks I definitely disagree. I've seen the quarterback fumble. They were getting my play. Thank you people. Thank you people since 85 Thank you a lot of them be stripped with the strip button Don't let the fumble on contact nfl. Quarterbacks are runners now. They fumble when they I agree with that vs op I won't I don't 1 million percent 1 million percent the quarterback's fumble on just your ball But I do feel like man would be oh like ridiculous if the quarterback didn't just fumble. I feel like that's just a madden thing, right? That's what I'm saying, bro I'm fuming. I'm fuming right now. You know why because If we want to talk about sim chat If we want to talk about sim The quarterback don't fumble lamar jackson is not running a user running fumble in the ball He's not at all But in madden to make madden a little more uh less cheesy, right? He fumbles every time he gets touched Right like bro. I'm a little I'm a little disappointed I'm and that's what I mean in real life lamar on fumble Lamar all of us fumbles if this is about lamar. He really doesn't fumble much while running the average A b the average fumbles more in the pocket than Then lamar fumbles while running agree fumbles should go according to real-time stats. Thank you, mike jagger Every run seems to be 21 yard minimum. You're jay lint. You're doing a little bit too much on defense I had option on conservative free safety on a spy and lamar run twice for long tds He is too fast. No one can keep up with him and the free safety was faked and played the dive instead of the quarterback keep I landed a total of three hits sticks on the mar jackson Bro, this is just golden. This is golden, bro Bro, this is what's nuts to me, bro Running with the quarterback is not the issue spies contains versus skate bars needs to have more potency We need more efficient tools to handle the quarterback mobility Defenses have been saying that in real life for 20 years Since randall cutting him shit since fran tarkington They have been saying this we need more potency with our contains and spies these quarterbacks are freaks Lamar jackson is a freak cam newton was a freak for real like bro Y'all don't know who fran tarkington is bro. All right, guys You gotta watch you gotta watch a little more of the nfl network or something Zone coverage. All right, let's see what zone coverage got Zone coverage gets beats really easily. Okay.  He was on this vote vote means like I agree Yeah zones embedded was easily beat Tampa two the safety will attack the line putting him out of position and coverage Never happened to me, but okay.  Not the game Football is all I saw this one. I feel like somebody posted this one I hate this notion that you aren't I swear.  They do execute the play He wants them to think and say oh he wants them about y'all. I should be in a hard flat this play Yo, he wants the line back about yo My guy on the d-line up there. Yo, Bobby Yo, I should go on a hard flat this play and he looked back like okay. Okay computer. Do a hard flat I'm gonna rest his quarterback No, for real like he's really not wrong Like he he just he's just so lost you feel I'm saying I think he's more lost than wrong and he's not wrong I expect my players to execute That's what's being asked for like my play when I asked for tampa two they execute tampa two right chat Like for real they execute that my man grocer my guy There he is man two months. What's up, buddy? How you It depends on how you call the cover two. Oh, there's different cover twos Okay, did you change the zones from clouds to soft squats to hard flats? Otherwise the rock combo could easily move that corner out of the way in the red zone Hmm.  This is the dude about skill gap. Maybe he is tough I said he was eight win weekend league, dude. I feel like zones work just fine I mean he's tripping a little bit It's pretty rare that I am Staying the same zones that I picked pre-play changing from clouds to hard flats or deep blues the quarters I like the new zone depth feature, but I need more practice with that It does take away from spamming users who throw corner routes on every play Spamming is the word bro. I hate this word. I hate this word right here.  He definitely was he definitely was I thought I thought he was earning points Then he says spamming.  Bro, uh, because episode 86 that should that should in the dungeon somewhere Make defenders react a bit faster to the ball. No point. Uh, that's right What else we got here boys running with the quarterbacks too good players have rainbow arms.  Oh my god vote. How do I vote vote? Rainbow arms were asked Good job. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay Wrong wrong Yo boys be ready to say wrong.   Yep Uh-oh. Uh-oh. This is a hot one all caps My man came all caps to the party Buckle up boys Oh, man Oh man, here we go EA please whatever you do do not change the speed of linebackers or usuring It's more realistic this way madden 20 too many times guys were able to cover the multiple routes with a linebacker That's fake Linebacker should not be able to keep up with tyreek hill and other wide receivers linebackers play underneath and the middle Please do not listen to these crybaby spammers who want to play an arcade style game bring back realistic and real football animations Thank you mac bundles Please keep the usuring how it is. It's more realistic Agreed please EA keep users to be the same as refreshing and realistic change You shouldn't be able to look three routes more than one player. I'm on offense about users I hated it first But then started alert getting three lyrics a game user in a corner User in a corner made it to where I could still cover the routes. Thank you. That's what I've been saying I mean it sucks that you have to use her a corner, but linebackers they didn't know if they should have linebackers Especially whenever you ran ran gun bunch So I don't care what you do But 40 of their 57 comments are people who weren't weren't great users who think it's going to reduce the skill gap In reality, it's going to increase the skill gap The good players are going to figure out how to cover three routes regardless And the bad players are going to struggle to cover a single route. My man grim it 05. There it is right there, man In reality, it's going to increase the skill gap. The good players are going to figure out how to cover three routes regardless Oh, man Keep it the same unless you're going to give me a superhero wire receiver who can catch over three players Just like they can lurk three routes Okay Agreed let them do that on k. That is not for simulation agreed If you're saying get good and your cash will get over yourself There's literally no skill gap in my 20 username is broken not hard to do my eight-year-old nephew got top 100 And we can leave and he doesn't even fully understand football concepts You shouldn't be able to cover four different routes with one player in three or four deep blues and send everyone else That's just not football madden 21 beta user feels the most authentic You actually have to play your zone and I love the added Uh cod called duty rating because this is going to matter a lot This change got me excited for man 21 do not change it If you do not want to make it anything close to the last few years, it wasn't realistic Userring in 20 takes no skill I mean, dude, we're gonna lose. Yo chat. We're gonna lose right chat chat Chat we're gonna lose. Can we just concede defeat? Can we can we just like pull the plug on xbox? I read in these we lost we lost boys All right, we lost bro. Can I vote for this 10 times we lost Yep, we lost this one, bro. Oh a spew says something Okay, I'm a hundred percent a thousand percent down with this way more realistic.  I want one example, bro I want one example of somebody's covering What is this what I could tell you down here? Oh that's a link. I really want to tweet I want to tweet give me one example of a user covering four people. I'll send you $200 PayPal They have to change back to user space. Stop letting casuals compete. Okay, body Bodie body to beast Maybe you should take a separate game from for the competitive people because it feels like every year We get closer letting the computer play for us make these people who aren't as skilled and knowledgeable about football Learn how to adjust and get better by putting more tutorials out not take away from what gives us control Message message message Message Bro, and this is something I definitely um Clearly clue you have an example of a user covering four routes Please send me the example of a user in covering four routes, please And if they're four fucking slants in the middle of the field, I mean I'm you're getting blocked for life Oh, I saw what we talked about Tyron Matthew. It's a video goalpost.  I saw that. Yeah, I saw that he honestly didn't cover anything Yeah, I saw that. I've been seeing that video No, I want to see what I want to know like seriously. I'll tweet it right now Like y'all don't understand what lurking is back. Yeah, people just don't understand what lurking is They don't understand anything about lurking. They just Yeah, do you want to say that like they don't understand lurking This is dumb. The best part of man on D is your user the speed needs to go way up now With that being said, you can keep the change of direction how it is and both sides will win. Okay. Okay. F. Schuyler I'm convinced I'm convinced anybody that says skill gap is a bot. I'm convinced of that All right, he says somebody said go to go to page 10 till we get to the trenches Y'all are sick I did notice this can't switch player.   Yeah, you don't know what you're doing Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I feel I was hitch-ticking it. I feel like it's a better film study one I like it as an ability film study is a great counter Oh my god There was a guy who won competitive man running the same quarterback play over and over I mean, there's a lot of plays where the quarterback touches the ball here. Are you cat in this? You know when I said chat, listen, come here. Listen. Listen. I'm serious. I had this discussion I had this discussion today, right? I did All right, I want you guys to come here with my idea This is my idea and I want to end the show on this because we are over two hours if you're watching this on youtube Thank you guys. I know this was fun. It was entertaining, bro. But for real Listen, this was my idea, right? This was my idea was that We're never going to get to a spot, right? Where the bots and competitive players can play the same game. That's never going to happen We have to concede that I feel like you have to concede that I feel like There should be two separate games You know how we have the modes. I thought the modes were supposed to do this this simulation mode And competitive mode, right? Now Here goes here goes one of the talk. Here goes one of the points, right?  You can only run a play max three times per game You have to punt on fourth down in this head to head setting for real When I first played man online back on the playstation 2 The regular ranked was fair play.  Who says no to this? No, seriously, who says no to this? No, like seriously, who says no to that? You know and and this is and then I was and then the the topic came up of this This is what the topic came out of us What if what if there was a tournament on this simulation mode? Would us as madden players be upset that now we have to split some of this million prize pool with the simulation team?  We would dominate the same simulation mode 1 million percent No for real just and we said just like warzone has the little drop box.  It's not even too Okay, this one's saying Pablo. It's ea. It's ea electronic arts. It's one of the biggest Gaming companies in the world. If not the biggest Bro, I don't want to hear excuses of what we can't do. We can't do this.  Seriously check me. What's up, man No, seriously who who complains about that who complains about that good players don't play mutt They don't play plays mutt I went exactly TNT. How could they not do it when it used to do back on PlayStation 2, bro? Yes, same reward system. Shit. You could have sim weekend league for real Okay, Don. No, you're right. The bots do think they're comp that that's that there wasn't a human nature Why would I play this mode when I can be competitive? But seriously and this would be my response if if I had these two different modes, right?  You're right. They don't want to put the effort. I agree with it I really think it's a good idea, bro. I really honestly seriously do think it's a good idea I like seriously. What is the downside? not honestly I don't know if it's What does that mean? It's sold as a simulation game.  What do you expect?  Bro, do you like I? You can't like we are not at the point of technology to make a computer think like a human Football is 22 people on the field with their own human mind, right? Yo, the technology we have access to is not capable of simulating that ever It's not even close What is a football concept Pablo? What's a football? What does that mean? I expect football concepts Yep, it's 39. I'm passing the ball while this year is a little different. But what's a football concept? I have the lead. I'm going to run the ball run the clock out. That's a football concept, isn't it? Come on explain. What's a football concept? I learned more about football from playing madden than I do watching the games Playing madden has taught me a lot about football And Seriously, what's I want I want to answer? I'm dude. I want to know I really I really want to know what What's a football? I'm waiting bro. I'm pretty sure bent and I feel like all that's in the game I feel like there's raw concepts all in the game, bro I just I just man Slants football concept flood is a flood flood is the most common concept in madden It really is streak corner flat, right? Nah, I just man I really want to talk to one of these. I want football concepts simulate like seriously. That's what it comes down to man Football sports are controlled by 22 people. We're not even talking about the coaches I'm just talking about the people on the field their minds all working together as humans as 22 people How can we simulate that on a video game? Seriously, I throw All right, jk. I definitely do curls against cover three Curls against cover three. We're hell Jesse was good, man I gotta I gotta cut the whole joint So my man really left see that's what I'm talking about.  So let's blame the game Anyway, boys, I mean I honestly could read I I could really read those forums all night. I really could I absolutely beautiful content them forums, bro Yeah, these are the same people that say oh, he glitched my cover three I'm gonna play video games But uh, this was the new podcast episode 88. We are up over two hours. You watch the whole thing. I appreciate you guys man, uh comment on whatever throughout the whole show comment on everything


Item Number – SCP-117 Object Class – Safe Special Containment Procedures – SCP-117 is to be kept in the small leather pouch it was found in, unless in use or in current study. Any personnel deemed to mentally fit may enter the containment cell of the SCP, though if they are suspected to be trying to remove the SCP without permission, they are to be searched and if that is the case, they are to be reprimanded. The door to the containment cell should remain locked and a guard posted only when the object is in use. Description – The item appears to be a regular multi-tool of unknown make and brand found in F***ing, Florida. At first glance, only the normal tools are found, screwdriver, knife, can opener, etc. But if the user is faced with a task, regardless of what tool the subject intends to pull out and use, a tool perfectly fitted for the job will take its place, regardless of spatial quantities that are being broken by the tool. All other tools always seem to be present, though, after the task is completed and the tool closed, unless faced with a task requiring that tool again, a tool cannot be found or the tool again. Addendum – Document Number – 117-A – Effects of Usage After countless uses and testing with the SCP, it has been discovered to cause harm and possibly death to the user by means of absorbing iron, copper, calcium, and zinc from the user's body as long as the user is touching the device. Gloves seem to have no curbing effect on this and the rate of absorption seems to depend on the tools used or created by SCP-117. It is advised that only Class D personnel are used in conjunction with this SCP to prevent death or injury of researchers. Document Number – 117-B – Usage Log of SCP-117 – Redundant Entrys Not Entered Unless They Exhibit Different Results Situation – A loose screw on a metal plate, tool produced by SCP, screwdriver, though not the standard screwdriver, situation – a nail, barely in piece of timber, tool produced by SCP, standard hammer, situation – a piece of timber with proposed cut lines drawn, tool produced by SCP, an electric saw which needed no outside power source, situation – a piece of bulletproof glass, tool produced by SCP, an unknown laser cutting tool which needed no outside power source, situation – SCP – tool produced by SCP, a bloodied combat knife, situation – an agent with a broken bone, tool produced by SCP, a small item with a trigger which when pulled emitted an odd radiation instantly healing the injury, situation – Class D personnel fit for execution, tool produced by SCP, data expunged, situation – communication needed with SCP-363, tool produced by SCP, data expunged, situation – a non-shuffled deck of playing cards, tool produced by SCP, a mid-sized mechanical shuffler, situation – Class D personnel with terminal cancer, tool produced by SCP, items similar to sixth test, situation – a perfectly healthy Caucasian human male with no criminal record, tool produced by SCP, data expunged, situation – a perfectly healthy Hispanic human male with no criminal record, tool produced by SCP, data expunged, situation – a silver dinner fork in perfect condition, tool produced by SCP, no tools could be found on the SCP, situation – data expunged, tool produced by SCP, a screwdriver, situation – a dirty window, tool produced by SCP, a nozzle that sprayed a mixture of soap and water that completely cleaned the window, situation – an uncharged iPod, tool produced by SCP, the iPod end of the charging cord which needed no outside power source, situation – a blank sheet of standard computer paper, tool produced by SCP, a pen filled with a seemingly infinite supply of black ink, situation – a Samsung cellular phone, tool produced by SCP, a small device that when attached to the phone increased signal strength by approximately 250%. Document No. 117G – Developments Concerning SCP-117 After exposing the SCP to an array of different items and people, it appears that the object may very well be sentient to some degree. Because of this, we must consider the fact that the SCP is susceptible to telepathy and must not come into contact with any SCPs with known telepathic powers. Dr. Kleiman The above was a transcript of the personal notes of Dr. Kleiman, who seems to have taken a harmless interest in the object. Testing with other SCPs is suspended. Note No. 117-1 – Testing is suggested for SCP-882 and is under consideration by Dr. Kleiman. Note No. 117-2 – Further biological testing is halted by Dr. Kleiman after incident No. 117-4A. The SCP is still fit to be used for any repairs around the facilities, as long as the SCP is followed by one or more armed guards briefed on the proper use of the SCP. Note No. 117-4 – After much consideration, I must deny testing of SCP-117 with SCP-882. The risk of damaging SCP-882 is simply too great to overlook. Dr. Kleiman Note No. 117-26 – After incident No. 117-3F, I am forced to put a stop to all testing of SCP-117 in conjunction with other SCPs. The risk of a total loss of containment is far too great. All biological testing is to be halted until a later date, as the results so far have proved… varying. And there is a limit of Class D staff available for my research. Dr. Kleiman Note No. 117-27 – Biological testing resumed by Dr. Kleiman with mixed results. Testing of SCP-117 with other SCPs under reconsideration by 05-0, though it seems unlikely further testing will occur. Note No. 117-28 – Testing is suggested for SCP-682 Lesson Complete. If you missed the previous orientation, go watch SCP-116, The Brittle Boy, right now. Or for the complete course, watch this playlist.