I leave the gallery that this Parliament is in session and therefore they should leave the gallery as quietly as possible please. The next item of business today is a members business debate on motion number 9302 in the name of Fiona McCloud on UV radiation awareness to prevent melanoma and non melanoma skin cancer. This debate will be concluded without any questions being put and I would be grateful if those members who wish to contribute to the debate could please press the request to speak buttons now. I thank all the members across the parties who signed my motion so that we could debate it here in Parliament today and the many members that I know are wanting to contribute to this important debate. I also thank Mass Scott, the Melanoma Action and Support Scotland group for the briefing that they gave not just to myself but to other members and to welcome them to the gallery. I hope they're here. I'm not standing in a queue waiting to get in. Presiding Officer, just last week I was completing or attempted to complete the Glasgow-Herald crossword and there was a clue in it and it was a clue for a three-letter word and the clue was sunburn and the answer was tan and I thought that was quite helpful because many of us still think that to have a tan is a good thing but sunburn is a bad thing and that clue just put it into perspective. Sunburn and tan are the same thing and sunburn can cause malignant melanoma. Every year in Scotland about 1200 people are diagnosed with malignant melanoma and the main cause of that is UV light damaging the DNA in our skin cells that is sunburn and we can get that from the sun and from sunbeds and from that it's clear that this is a preventable cancer almost entirely preventable and sadly over the last at least four decades the numbers of people being diagnosed with malignant melanoma have been rising and in April 2014 we learned from ISD figures that in the last 10 years alone in Scotland the numbers of men with malignant melanoma diagnosis have gone up by 43% and for women the figure has risen by 30%. So with these figures before us, with this rise before us but also with the understanding that this is almost an entirely preventable cancer what can be done about it and I would like to suggest to the chamber that there's three areas we should be looking at we should look we should be looking at education advice and behaviour change we should be looking at early diagnosis and treatment and we should also be looking at research on education advising and behaviour change this should be about lifelong education we know that most parents nowadays with their very small toddler children get that remember the Australian slip slap slot we wouldn't think of letting our toddlers out into the sunlight without the cream on without a t-shirt on and without a hat on and nowadays in our nursery schools for our three and four year olds we spend a lot of time talking to them and taking care of their skin when we take them out but I believe that this has to become a lifelong education process so that in primary school or in secondary school when our pupils are going out to do perhaps physical education outside or to take part in outdoor education trips it should be standard practice that we talk to all of the pupils about putting on their sunscreen and putting on their hats and if we can make this lifelong education then it will become routine for all of us to then take care of our skin when we're out in the sun and we know that this approach works lifelong education and we know that it works in affecting behaviour change because we just need to look at the smoking cessation figures over the same 40 years that melanoma cancers have been going up we've been stopping smoking and the percentage lung cancers has been going down and that has been so much about education and behaviour change now maskot itself through a grant from the center trust last year went into 28 schools across the greater Glasgow area and spoke to 8 000 pupils and I think that is something that we need to be supporting and I'm delighted that I know that they'll be going into some schools in my constituency this year I think in Bishop Briggs so it's about let's make sure that we support organisations in that lifelong education the other area I talked about was early diagnosis and treatment and for that we need to be looking at self-examination so that we are more aware of our skin we can do self-examination maskot through the alliance have got a self-examination pack that includes a dvd to teach us how to do that it means we'll then present our gps earlier and I would suggest that gps need to be more aware but perhaps also community pharmacy is a place that we could go with way of concerns if community pharmacists get the training and this is really important because early diagnosis of malignant melanoma is one of the best ways of treating it and curing it the five-year survival rates on malignant melanoma if it's caught early can be a hundred percent survival rate if it's caught late it's eight percent so we have to think about this get self-examination and get our professionals up my last point was about research and I think it's probably a bit too difficult for me to explain but I so I want to say as we need to be looking at doing more research on this my husband's phd a way back in 1976 was looking at the function of ribosomal protein s6 and I'm going to have to read this bit out it was specifically looking at a protein complex called mTOR and that's implicated in rapidly developing cancers like melanoma and the hypothesis a way back then in 1976 my husband was doing this research was that if we can turn turn down mTOR activity then perhaps we can slow down the cancer well 38 years on from that research there's two conferences in Europe this year looking at exactly that hypothesis and seeing if we can take it further so a wee plug for my husband's phd from all those years ago but you start small and you can perhaps get somewhere so in conclusion Presiding Officer I wanted to have this debate today so that it could be part of raising public understanding that a tan is not a good thing we have to take care of our skin I also wanted to use it as part of the process to change behaviour and change attitudes and also I wanted to have the debate today to thank mascot for the work that they do for so many people in so many ways in education in supporting research but also in one to one with people once they've been diagnosed thank you very much many thanks there are a number of members who would like to contribute to this debate so if I could ask members to keep to their four minutes please ken mackintosh to be followed by Aileen McLeod thank you Presiding Officer and can I begin also by thanking Fiona McLeod for bringing today's motion for debate to her motion skin cancer is particularly timely as we head towards the summer months and many scots will be rushing to welcome the sun rather than to treat it with the respect it deserves just last week we were given the clearest evidence why fair skin scots of all people need to be careful we've seen a 40% increase in skin cancer in this country in just one decade so make no mistake this is an epidemic and we need to respond appropriately and yes they're having many advances in the treatment and in the earlier detection of melanoma but this is one of the most preventable of cancers the 40% rise in the number of people affected is almost entirely down to our own behaviour our sun seeking behaviour and the long-term answer has to lie in changing that behaviour before I move on can I also thank Ellie Smith and her colleagues at mascot for all their work to raise awareness exemplified by the first class briefing circulated in advance of today's discussion many of our MSP colleagues who will not be able to take part in the debate will have read this document and I doubt any of them will not have been struck by the case to take action the stories are too moving this is a cancer which strikes down young lives which leaves others scarred and damaged and which for far too many leaves them saying if only I'd known well now we do know and yes I am pleased that we took action on sunbeds here in Scotland but that was only ever supposed to be the start not the end point sunbeds are only one small part of the problem the sun and tanning is the main issue protecting our children and warning adults about the dangers of sunbeds is simply not enough we have to educate people to cover up in the sun now the good news is we know it can be done fair-skinned Australians have shown us the way despite a far hotter climate they have a better record on prevention on earlier detection and on treatment the slip slap slop campaign which funer referred to earlier led by their cricketing and other sporting stars was hugely influential and I have to ask why we not use the commonwealth games to send out a similar message I know that mascot suggested a uniform for the volunteers at the games which could have highlighted the advice to cover up with long sleeves and either a wide brim or a kepi hat would this not have been one of the best legacies for the games to give the people of Scotland it's certainly not too late to promote that message in our schools nurseries on the whole do tend to have very good clear sun protection policies but the same cannot be said of primaries or secondaries it is not just fair skin that is the most vulnerable it is young skin and again I would praise the work of mascot in raising awareness amongst pupils I would urge the minister to do more to work with them and with other charities such as cancer research UK ineffective health prevention presently there's so many issues to raise simply not enough time returning to the issue of sunbeds ministers did promise a review of the sunbed legislation if it was if it was not enough well we know that children and young people are still accessing these machines I've reported one just last month in my own area we know of others in Airdrie and Glasgow one salon chain we're offering three sessions on a Saturday recently and I was shocked to see their advertising and TV is it time ministers should perhaps be asking time for a licensing regime a few years ago I remember one of my MSP colleagues in the SSP being mocked for asking for free sun protection cream but it should not least be available on prescription it's available for vitiligo patients to prevent skin cancers but not available to those with skin cancer the good news again is there have been a number of breakthrough treatments developed recently which offer huge hope for saving lives and improving the quality of life advances in radiotherapy for example I've made a major difference to patient outcomes and immunotherapy or immuno oncology in particular is a very exciting area of research and new treatment the first of those new drugs is now available to Scottish patients but only as a second stage intervention does the minister accept that such new drugs do hold out hope hope that we can turn cancer into a chronic disease a chronic condition rather than a life limiting one but that they also pose challenges for us challenges over cost of these drugs and the balance between treatment and prevention. Presiding officer there's not enough time I believe there's issues we should look at about dermatology it costs three times as much to employ a consultant to work in a waiting time initiative clinic than it does normal we did not work better just to staff them properly I would thank Fiona McLeod and Mascot for their work and there's so much we can do not just in treatment but in moving the emphasis to prevention thank you thank you very much can I remind members to use full names it's a matter of accessibility and also for the official report I call on Aileen McLeod to be followed by Jackson Carlaw thank you presenting officer and I'd also like to begin by congratulating my friend and colleague Fiona McLeod on securing this debate on skin cancer which as we've heard is actually one of the most preventable forms of cancer now malignant melanomas are now the most common cancers in teenagers and young adults in Scotland and they account for 24 percent of all new diagnoses and of course we shouldn't forget that more people are actually surviving cancer but education and awareness are key because for malignant melanoma common signs include a growth or sore that won't heal or which itches and hurts or changes to a mole and while these signs are becoming more widely known we really do need to get that early diagnosis and as vital there are young people are aware of the risk of melanoma that they are encouraged to develop healthy sun behaviors and that they are confident in seeking help now a recent study by sterling university in partnership with the teenage cancer trust that was published recently in the bmg concluded that Scottish adolescents have poor sun protection practice and low skin cancer awareness and girls in particular adopted riskier sun related behavior despite having greater awareness of skin cancer related risk now the research recommended that urgent action is required to promote positive sun related behavior and increase skin cancer awareness among Scottish young people now mascot in their very helpful briefing mentioned how they delivered sun awareness information to 8 000 pupils in 26 primary schools across Glasgow last year and that they will continue that work this year as part of the 2014 legacy and similarly the teenage cancer trust through its education programme also runs an annual summer sun safety campaign called shunburn and this is a joint media and education campaign encouraging young people to love the sun respect your skin by taking simple steps to reduce the risk of skin cancer and includes lesson plans for teachers and guidance for schools on developing their own sun safety policy in my view these are important and complementary tools which give our young people the information that they need to look after themselves and enjoy that the sunshine that we often feel we see so little of but without putting themselves at risk so in closing planning officer information and education for our young people on sun safety and skin cancer will in my view be absolutely vital to addressing the increasing incidence of this cancer in Scotland and as you know McLeod said earlier educating young people about their health stays with them throughout their lives you know melanoma is not entirely preventable but recognising the risks of overexposure to the sun and acting accordingly will certainly reduce that risk and I hope that in time we will see a reduction in these figures as the messages about the importance of sun safety reach a wider audience that is a practical and constructive way in which we can work to tackle the problem that Fiona McLeod has so rightly identified and brought to the chamber this afternoon and I look forward to hearing the minister's response. Many thanks and I call Jackson Carlaw to be followed by Stuart Stevenson. Can I as well congratulate Fiona McLeod as a second very worst wild debate she's brought to the chamber recently and also of course congratulate Mascot who not just in advance of this debate but I think throughout this Parliament have brought very important education to members. I'm afraid I'm a walking disaster in this particular area I'm red haired somewhat less lustrous than it once was I'm blue eyed I'm fair skinned I have my old vitiligo and I learned very early on as a teenager that in fact it doesn't need to be sunny for you to get sunburned ultraviolet rays penetrate clouds and I discovered that to my cost abroad at the risk of a headline saying Tory MSP confesses to wearing makeup can I say that I do I wear a clinic other brands are available on request for men moisturiser which has at its core a factor 21 and I wear that actually all the time and I think that one of the lessons that I think we should be promoting in education is that you cannot anticipate the weather nor can you sometimes anticipate the UV strength that there is in the in the in the sun penetrating cloud and actually I think a far better thing for young people particularly children would be for us to get into a habit of families simply getting their children to put on a layer of a sun cream or a sun protection factor cream as a matter of course particularly during the summer months when the risks are at their highest because it is not just the case that it is that it is in a hot sunny day that you are at risk you can be at risk in all sorts of less obvious weathers in fact I've only got to walk up a windy beach to get sunburned frankly so I have to be pretty well lathered up with stuff and I think that if you are going to make a meaningful change against this typical west of Scotland or Scottish complexion then the habit of getting into of wearing some sort of protection factor is an important lesson for us to make the second point I'd like to talk about is the ongoing availability of epilimumab which is the first genuine treatment that I think we've seen which is offering real hope to sufferers of skin cancer now it was of course previously available in England under the cancer drugs fund nice then the smc made it available as a secondary course of treatment in Scotland it will in fact be the first drug I believe to go through the new approvals process when there is a recommendation or an effort now for it to be seen as a first course treatment for skin cancer and I think and I hope although this is out with the minister's responsibility to deliver I very much hope that the smc are persuaded of that case because you only have to see the benefit that it has given particularly to some of the young people that we have been talking about who are sufferers of skin cancer who have had a very meaningful extension both to the quality and length of life ahead of them as a result of access to this drug I hope that we are able to see an extension of that to to primary use as a treatment for skin cancer I hope the smc are persuaded of that case and I hope as I said at the start that the government's information campaign and so much as it can doesn't simply focus on that very hot sunny day but recognises that UV treatment UV rays are dangerous in all sorts of weathers and that getting into the habit of wearing a sun protection factor cream would be of advantage to us all thank you and I call Stuart Stevenson to be followed by Richard Simpson thank you very much Presiding Officer and let me join others in congratulating Fiona on bringing this important and interesting debate to to Parliament. It's perhaps worth just looking a little bit at the science that underpins some of this the ultraviolet rays that we are talking about are in the wavelength of 100 to 400 nanometres it's quite a narrow range of the light that causes the problem but a very important and omnipresent part of of light and it's particularly interesting that the part of ultraviolet light that's most likely to reach us is in fact the most dangerous part of that narrow range and I myself as others and Jackson Carlaw has just been delineating some of his experience I got so badly sunburned that I actually had sunstroke in 1956 as a 10 year old and had to be hospitalised now my father as a GP did a very important thing in the back of that and he actually counseled me that I should regularly for the rest of my life look at my skin critically and describe some of the the things that I might see in my skin that I should pay close attention to and I think that is an important point that I hope all people involved in providing advice to people who've been burnt give to people because it's simple and it's virtually cost free and you don't need to be particularly technical just anything on your skin a change don't imagine that it is a trivial matter and I say that in particular context because I had a good friend who was a councillor of ours in Aberdeenshire called Mitchell Burnett who started off with a tiny tiny little black spot on the top of one year and when I say tiny you know narrower than a pen no more than I guess about 20 millimeters across I know it less than that quite small but it killed them it took a while to do it but it eclipted it out of the year but it came back one turn to his scalp and eventually it killed them so the start can be quite small and early action yes I will Ken Mackay would agree with me the very good advice from Dr Gires Gupta who's a dermatologist at Munklands hospital that the advent of digital cameras makes us very easy that if people were to for example take a photograph of their own back and compare it you know year on year this is a very good way of working out of their head and neck a very good way of detecting moles I wonder if my wife will allow me to improve my camera on the basis of that advice which sounds very good advice indeed let me just pick up Johnston Carlaw talked about walking on the clouds and actually the science is quite interesting where the cloud is thin and high the risk of UV impact is raised compared to totally clear skies and I think that's a point that people are relatively unaware of the other thing I want to just cover in the remaining short time that I have is that this is an issue for the whole population even if they never go in the sun because climate change is actually changing the impact of UV the increase in temperature in the troposphere is matched by a decrease in temperature in the stratosphere in other words the upper bit and as that happens that is promoting the growth of a particular cloud type called polar stratospheric clouds which increase the size of holes in the ozone layer and let more UV through so there are issues for us all that will protect people who are particularly susceptible to this because where ozone holes happen it comes through let me just close by saying I will go away and look at my personal makeup as a result of Jackson Carlaw's comment I did notice in looking this morning at who signed the motion that no Tories and no Liberals had actually signed I'm delighted to see Jackson Carlaw here and Presiding Officer I have therefore concluded that for the Tories and the Liberals the time in the sun is over thank you very much can I once again remind members of the chamber to use full names members of the public who are watching our proceedings may not be as familiar as we all are with colleagues Dr Richard Simpson to be followed by Kevin Stewart thank you deputy Presiding Officer can I join with others and congratulating Fiona McLeod on this timely debate which is an important one and Fiona did refer to the fact of the briefing from mascot the melanoma action and support Scotland which was indeed very helpful and reminded me of some of the issues which I have been concerned over the years about in this area I want to start with the educational side there is there are health and wellbeing education going on in the schools and I would ask the minister whether he will undertake to ensure that his education colleagues make sure that that education programme includes something for every child on the exposure dangers but also the use of sunbeds and can I at that point pay tribute to my colleague Ken Macintosh for all his work on sunbeds which I think has helped to make significant changes and make people more aware I hope that also that he will look at whether the chief inspector in the education field will actually raise this issue as part of the assessment of nurseries and schools we are trying to encourage children more and more to play outside in nurseries and that is great but it on the other hand unless they are properly protected then it's a problem and I would like to ask him to ensure that the inspectorate actually asks the nursery schools whether they have a policy in place and check whether that policy is adequate. I'd like my voice to be added to those who've already mentioned the commonwealth games I think it is an important part of Scotland promoting those games that we ensure that the awareness of the dangers of sun and let us hope it is sunny or at least there is an awareness at the games and as others have pointed out of course as long as it even when it's cloudy there may be problems. Deputy Presiding Officer I want to turn to the question of early diagnosis early diagnosis is absolutely critical as others have said that survival rates are really excellent if we diagnose early but I have to say that apart from public awareness which has already been discussed and I won't go into and needs to be pursued the fact that general practice training has has been reduced for dermatology since I trained I think has been a bad move I had a three month attachment on dermatology and that recognised that 40% of those who were students were going to end up as GPs and the thing we were going to see most of was actually skin problems. Now GPs get five days undergraduate training and I think that this is wrong and I think it needs to be looked at in terms of the training programmes because the daily workload in this area is very significant and the growth in melanoma and the growth in skin problems is significant. The pressure on dermatology departments is substantial and growing and Mackintosh referred to the fact that we need constant waiting time initiative to keep the thing under control but there have been two areas fourth valley and Lanarkshire where the redesign of services have cut the waiting times and outpatients by other numbers attending as outpatients by 25% without in any way impairing patient safety so can I again ask the minister that where redesign is shown to work in this way and it is safe then the redesign should be rolled out to every board the minister will know that Labour has advocated a much stronger role for inspection and monitoring for health improvement Scotland and this proposal is in part to ensure where benchmarking shows variation and new approaches work they must be rolled out to every board and rolled out rapidly and this is a very good example of it deputy Presiding Officer I'll finish by saying that the immunotherapy referred to is the first of a new class of drugs in treating cancer and its arrival is extremely welcome it does extend life significantly and I hope that the SMC will apply the appropriate rules regard this as a treatment which can be used at an earlier stage in the treatment of skin cancer but of course we will wait and see and it will be wrong for politicians to interfere in what we have set up under a new system which all parties have now subscribed to thank you very much and finally in the open debate Kevin Stewart I thank Fiona McLeod for bringing this debate to the chamber and I'd like to thank mascot too for the pack that they provided us with but also for their on-going communication with parliamentarians here which have made us much more aware of melanoma in that pack of course we have the very serious scenario of that 10 year change with a 36.7% increase which is absolutely huge and shows quite clearly that we need to do more than we currently are I'm going to be a little bit flippant Presiding Officer and talk about something that one of my colleagues said to me the other day I think it was Tuesday where it was actually quite bright and sunny a certain French MSP who likes to use the Doric quite a lot said to me you better watch it for your wee baldy heat the day because it was rather sunny and with this wee baldy heat I'm quite prone to catching the sun now if I was abroad you know the natural thing that I would do all of the time while I was away is to cover myself in sunblock because like Mr Carlaw I have got that fair complexion which can cause a huge amount of grief if it is burnt but we don't have the same habits when we're at home I've never been sunburnt when I've been abroad and but I have been here on a number of occasions where I've forgotten to take the hat or I've forgotten to protect my head and face and I think that habit you know is something that we need to change I'm really pleased at the amount of education that mascot has carried out I know that Lee Smith was trying to do work in the northeast of Scotland and I hope that that will continue but education alone I don't think is enough I think we have to make it a habit there are certain things that we do in our day-to-day lives which just become the norm this should become the norm like the slip-slap slop in Australia this should become the norm I've never ever been sunburnt in a day where there is as my grandma would have said been a heat in the sun it has always been on overcast days where you know you think to yourself going out this will be fine and it's not Mr Stevenson gave us the scientific aspects of that situation but beyond that you know where many of us are not going to look at that science in a day and daily basis we must make it the norm now we have the ability with curriculum for excellence in schools to do so much and there will not be a school in the country or a people who will go through their school years without hearing of climate change at this moment in time it would not be that difficult to add to that education the dangers of climate change and the real dangers that exist from the sun so I don't even think we need to reinvent the wheel and I think that the minister will no doubt talk to education colleagues about that I want to finish on one point Presiding Officer and I think that this is extremely important and I actually tabled a motion here previously after speaking to to mask off and that's on the issue of sunscreen and sunblock itself because I do think it's rather ludicrous that there is VAT on these products and I think that that is something that we don't have the power to deal with here but in another place they must look at removing VAT from sunscreens and sunblocks I think that's vital thank you Presiding Officer many thanks I now call on Michael Matheson to respond to the debate minister in around seven minutes please thank you Presiding Officer can I like others congratulate the funeral of a cloud in securing time for this particular debate and bringing this issue to the attention of the chamber which is particularly timely given that it is a sun awareness week and I have listened with real interest to the points and issues that have been raised by the members in the course of the debate this afternoon. Several members have already made reference to the statistics which were published by ISD just last week which do show the extent of the instance of malignant melanoma in Scotland and have risen by some 43 per cent in men and 30 per cent in women since between 2002 and 2012 which is an overall increase of almost 37 per cent in a decade as Ken Macintosh made specific reference to. Malignant melanoma is now the fifth most common cancer in women and the seventh most common cancer in men and most swirling is that over the past decade between three and five times as many young women aged between 15 and 29 have been diagnosed with skin cancer each year than men so this is clearly an area where there has been a growing level of occurrence. However, having said that, there are some elements of good news in this agenda. I will give way to the member. I wonder if the member is aware that in the United States one in five people can expect to get skin cancer at some point in their life. I wasn't aware of that particular statistic but I think it just demonstrates that it's a challenge across many countries in the developed world that we have to make sure that we address seriously. However, as I said, there are some statistics that show that there are some grounds for optimism because the statistics show that in 2012 there was a lowest number of malignant melanoma diagnoses in women between 15 and 29 in the past decade. I hope that that is a reflection of some of the message starting to get through about the stark reality of the dangers that the sun can have on someone developing skin cancer. There are measures that we have taken followed over recent years and many members will be aware that Scotland did lead the UK in the approach that we took over at sunbeds and the legislative provisions that we put in place in order to try to help to protect citizens from skin cancer by regulating the use of sunbeds. I think that it's only right that we put on record the tremendous amount of work that Ken Macintosh took forward in pursuing that particular agenda. I suspect that we wouldn't have arrived at the point where we finally arrived at in the public health act had it not been for Ken Macintosh's determination in pursuing this particular issue, which has allowed us to have more robust legislation in place. I think that that helps to make sure that we have the right legislative framework in place in order to deal with issues such as sunbeds. Ken Macintosh made a particular reference to some of the on-going challenges in this area. He will be aware that the public health act does not provide for a licensing regime in itself, although it provides for regulation around the use of sunbeds. However, it might be of interest to the chamber that some eight councils have already put in place a licensing provision in order for the provision of sunbeds operation. We are already in discussions with COSLA to look at what we can do to encourage the other local authorities to take up this particular approach to licensing, and we will be encouraging them to do so. Of particular interest to Fiona McLeod, Easton-Bartonshire Council will introduce a licensing regime as of 1 July this year in order to look at how it can regulate this area more fully. Obviously, we have the fire arms and licensing bill, which should be before this Parliament very shortly. Is there opportunity there to extend that licensing regime? The reality is that there is already provision in the entertainment leisure civic government Scotland act for the purposes of the licensing regime. There already is legislation that allows for that to happen. What we need to do is to work with the local authorities to make sure that they put that in place, and that is the work that we are undertaking with them. A number of members have made reference to issues around education. I am sure that some members will recall the programme that we ran in October 2012 in partnership with Cancer Research UK, RUV Ugly, which was targeted in particular at the dangers of sunbeds being used amongst the 16 to 24-year-olds. The evaluation from that programme showed it to be very positive and demonstrated increasing knowledge and understanding of the risks associated with sunbeds. A number of other members have made reference to public awareness and education programmes. I have been undertaken by mascot and other third sector organisations, for example Cancer Research UK, the SunSmart campaign and the Teenage Cancer Trust sunburn campaign, which I will touch on later if I have time. It is important that we also put on record our thanks to those organisations for the tremendous work that they undertake in raising awareness. Several members have made reference specifically to the Commonwealth Games and the opportunity that it presents. I am sure that we are all hoping that the weather during the Commonwealth Games will be bright and possibly sunny for the course of the Games itself. I understand that it has been agreed with the hosts, the Games organisers, that they recognise that it presents an opportunity to get some public health messages across. We are working with them in order to drive home our skin cancer awareness message during part of the Commonwealth Games programme, particularly at young adults, by ensuring that everyone attending the Games is aware of the importance of staying safe in the sun, even if the weather is not that great. However, I am sure that you will be aware that the organisers committee are also looking at what training they can provide to their workers on health improvement measures, which include cancer risk factors such as sun protection, eating well and stopping smoking, which is part of the work that we are doing with them. Additionally, I understand that the organisers committee is also working with a third sector organisation in order to source sun cream for workers at the Games to ensure that everyone is contributing to this particular programme of sun protection. Alongside that, for spectators, the option of a Games visitor kit is being explored by the organisers committee, which could include helpful items such as sun cream and a poncho. A poncho is more likely to be required than a sun cream, but nevertheless the committee is exploring this as a way of helping to try to articulate the risks and important elements of the campaign. I will join my remarks to close the work that has been undertaken by the Teenage Cancer Trust, because it is a campaign that is aimed at educating young people in the classroom setting about the risk and harm of sun exposure and the use of sun beds. A point that Richard Simpson raised in his contribution is that it is a specifically tailored programme for schools in order to educate them. It is called the Shun burn campaign, which they will be taking forward over the coming weeks and months. It is about educating youngsters not only on the risks but also if they suspect that someone may be at risk is giving them the helpful nudge to go and get advice and support. However, I am also more than happy to share his particular point about the inspection regime and our educational establishments to be taken forward by our education ministers and to take into the point that he has made. I am very conscious of time, but I think that members have raised a number of important points, including issues on access to treatment, which we are taking forward some measures on. However, I hope that members can be assured that we recognise the importance of this particular issue and will continue to take forward a range of measures in partnership with third sector colleagues to look at what more action is necessary in order to make sure that we do all that we can to prevent any further increases in the level of skin cancer in Scotland. That concludes Fiona McLeod's debate on UV radiation awareness to prevent melanoma and non-melanoma skin cancer. I now suspend this meeting of Parliament until 2.30pm.


I'm calling to order the Arlington Redevelopment Board meeting of Monday, May 18, 2015. Brief agenda this evening, beginning with a discussion on the master plan implementation committee. Yeah. Thank you. I wanted to let you know what is a lot of info on here that doesn't have anything to do with the development. So we're going to need to keep going. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, sure. I can get that far away anyway. I'm suggesting that the community 11 members, as you see, the development board, talent manager, DPW director, director of Inspectional Services, master plan advisory committee, and the master plan advisory committee. So two slots for people who have been on the master plan advisory pages for continuity. A talent meeting member, a member of the finance committee, a member of the CPA committee, and two at-large seats where the talent manager would recommend make the recommendations for appointment by the selectman. And it's about the size of the master plan advisory committee, which is a big committee. But my suggestion is that we, I think we need to have DPW director and Inspectional Services in the early years of implementation. And then we could revisit this and possibly work to them off or have them make a designee to the committee. Have you talked to the Inspectional Services director and the DPW director? No, I've talked to the talent manager about my interest in having them serve. And he thinks it's worthwhile. OK. I also should say that I think that it may be possible that this committee could keep its meetings down to quarterly. Because a lot of what this committee is going to do will be to kind of say, tag your if, and set the schedule for every year of what we're going to try to accomplish a year from now. And which is the lead board or committee or department head and who are the support committees? And then it's kind of right heard. But just to make sure, and this committee would prepare an annual report to town meeting and for the submission to the annual report every year so that everyone can see what progress is being made. Are there, in the board's view, is there anyone who is missing? I have a question before we get to who's missing. And that is with where you say redevelopment board, town manager, DPW director, and so on, until we get down to be at-large folks, are those designations of a redevelopment board? Or is that the board has been serving? My suggestion is that it would be either a liaison from someone chosen from the board. And I think in the first year, at a minimum, that's advisable. After this thing is rolling, I think it could be a designee. But just so I'm clear, we're talking about one member of the board, one member of the finance committee, one member of the CPA committee. Yes, I'm sorry, that wasn't explicit. I got it. I should have said that. I think that's the company. So the town, so I guess a couple things. Redevelopment board appointee, town manager, DPW director, director of inspectual services, that's the plan advisor. Town meeting member, I think typically the way that you would see something like that is a town moderator. What a point? What a point. Yeah, a town moderator appointee. CPA, a committee appointee. And then the two at large. I guess the one thing I'd say on the at-larges is you've got here recommends for appointment by the select men. I guess the question I have is, this is our committee, though, right? So maybe it's the sort of, I don't know, it just seems. If the redevelopment board member is on the committee, you want selecting buy-in. I don't disagree that they should have an appointment or something like that. It's just, I don't know, it just seems kind of strange for them to be appointing to, maybe it's just the use of the word, maybe it's just a turn-up phrase. Selectment designee is almost like, I wonder if it's more bad. Or maybe on 10 on 11, you might divide it up a little bit and have one that is appointed by the town manager and approved by the select men, and then one that's actually appointed by the select men. Well, I think they'll always do it like this. Oh, because they don't want to do it. So maybe this is the right, I guess it's right. I guess that's fine.  This is really a redevelopment board committee as weird as it sounds. So that's just the, that's just the strange part of it, I guess. I had a couple of other thoughts. First, Carol, you have on the list your master plan advisory committee twice in five and six, so you don't have. What that's supposed to say, what it's supposed to mean is there are going to two seats that would be filled. From the master plan advisory committee. Okay, I got it. Any thought about maybe conservation commission or more of a historical commission or a historical district commission? I think that's possible, but then you want maybe someone from recreation, and I mean, there are a lot of things going on in a huge committee. I was hoping that you could get that through item one, five, six, and nine. I guess. Redevelopment board master plan one, master plan two, and well, did I say, yes, and nine to be a committee member. It's possible you could get some of that through 10 and 11 as well. Because when the call for candidates goes out, we can make clear what areas the master plan focus is on. No one in our league can miss that yet. I haven't seen too many committees with a DPW director appointee or a director of Inspectional Services appointee. And I'm just, I'll be curious to see as to their reaction because I know they're very busy and sitting on a committee versus serving the committee, or providing information to the committee or something like that. I think it's just a little different than what one would usually see in that situation. I think you're right. I should have brought a copy of the plan up. When I think of the implementation steps, the first six of them, and then sprinkled throughout, there's a lot of zoning recommendations in the near term. And that's where Director of Inspectional Services is also the zoning enforcement officer. So part of my thinking was that he's gonna be very important to that early process. And if it's only quarter league, I would think they're not a policy making board. So I don't think there will be... I guess I'd like to hear his reaction. I mean, I think it's a little out of the norm and I'm curious as to, not that they're both great. So I'm not saying that, but it's just kind of like I can see it being, well, why wouldn't we just report to you? And also I think there is a potential awkwardness if the zoning enforcement officer is serving on the committee and the committee decides this is the project that we wanna support. And then it comes to the building inspector for approval and the inspector finds something that he can't approve from an enforcement of the bylaw point of view. I don't know, I mean, it just seems like it could potentially put... But I think that might be one reason why you do want him at the table at the beginning of the meal. If there is a... It's, I don't really see the committee actually making zoning bylaw amendments or reconfying the zoning bylaw, but more setting it in motion. This is now implementation steps five, seven, 14, and 90 are the ones we're gonna focus on this year. And that might be more a second or third year because frankly, a lot of the zoning should be handled very soon because it takes so much time and you lose opportunities or you can get stuck with redeveloping scenarios that aren't consistent with the master plan if they come forward at a time before zoning has been updated. So where I'm headed with that is I think that the Inspectoral Services, the zoning enforcement officer would then work, really roll up the sleeves and work with a group that's working on the zoning. I don't necessarily... I'm just not sure it needs to be part of the committee for that. I mean, I'd be interested to see what they have to say. I'd be happy to get their input and report back to the board, both DPW and Director of Sexual Services. DPW Director serves on the Disabilities Commission. Oh, he does, okay. Just offer that as an example. An example where the department head is a member of the committee. What else? Anything else I can work on between now and June 1? I don't think so. I guess from what Bruce said, I mean, maybe it would be, I guess it'd be interesting to see what the town manager might be thinking with respect to, you know, two, 10, 11. And I'm guessing maybe it's potentially the assistant town manager or something, and two, or himself, I guess. And then 10, 11, you know, are we gonna be able to pick up between 10 and 11 on the Historical Commission or something like that, so either that or... And, you know, maybe on the Master Plan Advisory Committee, if you could also get a two for there, or someone who's also on the Open Space Committee. I'm sorry, Mike, can you repeat that? I was gonna say maybe you could get a two for on the two Master Plan Advisory Committee. Folks, I know of at least one person who's also on the Open Space Committee. I almost said open source, right? That's nice. That's the exact answer, that's work. So, for example, on the Open Space Committee. Because I think that's another one that you just don't see here, right? Or recreational. It's so difficult, because you just talk about cross-functional, right? I mean, it goes against every single thing we do in town. You know, at some point in time, it's gonna get hit by this. So, you know, you wanna make sure that all constituencies are kind of viewed, but you can't have a committee of 22, so. Yeah. Okay, let me see what I can do to report some to you on June 1. Okay, good. Moving on to the ARB Designee for the Open Space Committee, speaking of Open Space. Yeah. The board's designating to the Open Space Committee was indicated that she's no longer interested in serving. I have not been given any potential candidates to offer to you, but if you want some potential candidates, we could try to find out who's out there. If the Open Space Committee knows of anyone, I could also try to do some outreach to see who might be a good designate, but do you have ideas yourselves from folks you know in town who might be inclined at the Open Space and Recreation? Who's out there? Forget the recreation aspect, it's very important. Yeah, the person I think of is already on Parks and Rec, I think, so. It can be among yourselves as well, and they serve for a while. We could volunteer, have some feedback. Yeah, I vote for that. We could volunteer the idea, the name, the number. Or two. I don't have any ideas coming to mind. No, it helped my head, but no. Not getting there would probably be a good idea. See who's out there who might be interested. Okay. Yeah, I think too, because you've got younger kids. And then sometimes that's a nice place to be for someone to take that position. I was writing, so I want to make sure. Your point just now was that there are a lot of people with young children who use the recreation services. Who might be very interested. I just want to be sure, I heard that right, when you're writing. Yeah, I know. Okay. We get kind of one and then two, like. Hopefully we made it. Now I'll start approaching people at the park. Exactly. I'm sure I'm going to be hunting them down. They're shy away from you even more than usual. Usually it's because of my kids. That'll be you too. Okay. I've put in front of you, by the way, while we're talking about open space, a, it's not my best writing, but a draft for your consideration for the letter of support that was more authorized in March. Yeah, you can wait until the end of the meeting. Oh, I didn't see it. Yeah, I don't think we could. I don't think we could get that one out there. I was just kidding. All right. All right. Thank you. Hi. Put it on here. All right. So next up is a work plan update. Okay. That's okay. I'm sorry. Bruce and I are pretty good chairs. He's okay. So the first item is, we just took care of it, actually. It's time to get an implementation committee going for the master plan. We've already started a couple of implementation steps. One is preparing design standards that would eventually, ideally be incorporated into a zoning update as zoning standards, design standards, excuse me. David Gamble is working on these and we have the walking tour in April to get input on what buildings and design aspects of our commercial centers are appealing and are elements that we want to incorporate into almost like a standard or a code, not for cookie cutter sake, but to guide property owners and developers in what Arlington considers to be appropriate for Arlington. So the board will hear from David Gamble at the June 1 meeting that will be on the agenda and he'll show you what's done so far. Also, May 29, the board, excuse me, the staff is, we're having a zoning retreat. We're just taking the by-law and you live with these by-law and you know it's shortcomings or where it's outdated or where we think in our opinion, in our professional opinion it is, and then when you go to sit down to try to think about it, you forget. So we each took a section or an aspect and we're going to try to summarize what the issues are and what some opportunities would be according to the master plan for updating and improving. We're hopeful that, I'm hopeful that we have some amendments for our next town meeting. Whether we have the whole thing re-carified, I doubt. But I think we'll have some zoning changes. I don't know. Wasn't there, I thought there was some money set aside for to go through the zoning by-law to kind of rationalize it, if you will. The approach as you can see initially is to re-codify the existing by-law. To make sure it's internally consistent. Right. We could take that approach and not touch anything substantive. Whether or not the implementation committee will recommend that or whether the board, I think the board needs to give some thought to whether we try to make some improvements to the substance of the code. Again, I think you're trying to balance we've lived with this by-law a long time and we will be living with its product for a long time. Every year there are developments that are done according to this by-law. So now we've come out of this two-and-a-half year master planning process in this kind of sense that now we can really get to it. So you could re-codify by-law all at the same time and not lose any more opportunity to be really ready or you can take more time on the substantive. So I think my recommendation I think we should make some substantive changes and have some discussion over how much we could also do in re-codifying by-law. I don't I don't think we're going to throw out the whole thing and start from scratch and we could do that. But I also talked to some other communities who hired companies to come in and come in online in different where it really lives online and it's no longer a paper document and they've been a little disappointed. I think we want a lot more than that out of this next change. By the same token if we hire someone to do substantive work there's a learning curve that they'll need to climb. They'll have the benefit of the master plan which will help them. But we've got some momentum and familiarity the community does. A lot of the volunteers have been bored I think you've all gotten much more familiar with our existing zoning by-law. So I kind of want to keep that while the master plan is fresh in everyone's mind a little hesitant to have a two or three year zoning process where we don't have any zoning changes until you know for anything two or three years. I agree I think that makes sense. I think that you know there are some substantive things that we probably want to address sooner than later and just you know putting all those things on the back burner while we focus on the procedural or rational or you know re-constructing it. It does sort of take a wind out of the sails I think. It's a little anticlimactic you know I think it's anticlimactic too. My only concern is that it's so complicated right now is that if we start doing substantive changes and we layer them on top because we're not in a position just a whole cloth you know to change it up. I do get a little concerned given the complexity of the bylaws that currently stands that you're going to start pulling a thread when you do something and the next thing you know is that thread is going to keep going or you know in shifting on you as you're trying to do other things. That's my only concern I guess as far as you know I guess what I'd love to know is as we go through that I'd love to know that it's the inconsistencies I guess that concern me most of the bylaw one thing to the next and you know I don't know that you lose momentum if you lose some of those some might be the point if you at the same time. Yeah and you know what I'm thinking you're doing is being sort of mindful of you know and that's when you want to come up to recode a bylaw and so we need to do some substantive changes to build on this momentum for example to have a provision that talks about mixed use which was a big focus coming out of the master plan I'm sensitive what you're saying though Mike I mean if you have you know a bylaw that is really just a patchwork series of amendments on top of the bylaw there's no there's nothing to attach it to it's like it's so flimsy underneath that you know when you start putting something that has real meaning that you don't necessarily know the consequences of that are going to be as it flows through to the brass that's my only concern This gives me direction actually I have some thoughts on if you more information to help us consider how to move forward I do like the idea of a kind of a hybrid if it's possible I'll try to find out what it would cost to recodify and whether the process would preclude any substantive improvements Yeah and I think you're kind of spurred another thought if all we did was recodify then when we got around to the substantive changes that we want we're beginning to fall back into what we had before which is you know a bylaw with a collection of amendments and I get it over time it's going to be that way anyway but it would be nice to have it would be nice at the end of this process that we have a codified bylaw that reflects the substantive changes that we all want to see coming out of the master plan process I think it's it's good to have two trains running at the same time I think that was more my point just to make sure that I think we have to be a little bit careful given where this bylaw is right now you know we're not just the patches we put on aren't used to our disadvantage somehow we're not careful And of course some of the other things that are being implemented are the obvious Preservation Act committee was an implementation step and that may happen because town meeting approved the composition of that committee and the building maintenance position was a recommendation that was made pretty early in the process and it already had a lot of legs so that's great that's very good so I think that's it for master plan town town meeting presentation that's a relic from the previous iteration most of the implementation so the next item which really should be item two I wanted to just let you know that the conveying the NPT fines to some stewardship fund is in process it might have been accomplished but I've asked that that it hadn't happened so it is now it is underway I think it was kind of up to the cracks so I apologize but that's so such a school lease is there is one here is ready to be signed and that's with your own senior association which is here of all that the board 23 maple street needs to work because there is kind of a list of things they wanted to change in the lease or questions Mr. Krueger Watership Association is ready to go I should have that one for you June so I think 20 maple street will be one of June end of June and on maple street now that the budgets are approved I'll be updating the request for proposals for the exterior work of 23 maple street if you have any questions on that or don't remember what that's all about let me know it's going do a rerun again on such a school I received alternative sketch designs on how to treat the site paving and I will be getting some recommendations from stone conservative on what to do about the brownstone steps on the cavity street entryway the brownstone is and ice melt doesn't go long and it's been many years of pitch battle between the two so the brownstone is really pitted so we need to know from what our most responsible step is because that's part of the original material from the time the building was constructed so that will then have some specs prepared I need to get some degree of comfort between the building occupants and the historical commission historical history's commission not all of it would be under the jurisdiction of courtesy it's important because it is a historic building in the historic district so if any of you are interested in seeing the sketches before I go to the commission let me know I did get some input from the dpw director on them because I think it's important for us to know how long he thinks they're going to last based on how we know and so which ones are advisable from strictly public works perspective because we don't need to include that ingredient in our presentation so the Jefferson Cutter House Heather LaValle is the director of the Dowell Museum she worked very hard in preparing a grant application with Patrick Guthrie from the historical commission the collaboration I really have to give them most of the credit they really did a lot of work on this it's for $150,000 it will help us leverage 75 grand from the state if we're successful and we'll use 75 all-rate authorized funds from COG and the cattle program to match the state grant for a total of 150 we did any update on gateways at the moment we not since before town meeting the next few are pretty much status quo anything involved is usually new on these work tracking updates except for with regards to economic development the department did prepare at the Selections request some standards to use for all businesses in anywhere in Arlington for outdoor seating the board has two or three or four applications before it right now the board is open and so we provided that to them and they'll prepare some version of standards and then I'm hopeful they'll issue a couple permits for Robert LaValle so we talked about committee vacancies and we talked about the implementation committee the community preservation act committee I might be trying to get like a joint outreach announcement to try to send out a call for candidates work with the town manager's office I expect that Andrew Flanagan and I will be doing a lot of the staffing of the community preservation act committee initially at least so and the housing plan we submitted a grant and were told that we have good reason to expect that it will be funded to help us update our housing plan they're now called housing production plans and we had a housing plan we would update it to conform to today's standard and staff and I agree that we really should have an advisory group working with the consultants on the housing plan so we need that advisory group staff as well so there's a lot of demand right now for a good volunteer talent that would we're suggesting someone from the housing the housing authority director staff or a tenant housing corporation of our Arlington director staff or tenants if there were other non-profit community development corporations in Arlington producing housing we probably want them as well but housing corp is the only one so we want them involved a private owner or tenant of an affordable unit a parent with children in the Arlington public school system or a school employee in other words we're trying to get at someone who would be looking for housing and concerned about the need for housing and affordable housing in Arlington a real estate worker or an attorney for their professional perspective and council on aging staff or board member so if you have any suggestions on any this would be an informal ad hoc committee just for purposes if you have any thoughts on anyone we've overlooked or any type of talent we've overlooked let me know is there anything that you think I've overlooked that any ball we have in the air that I haven't reported on okay what do you think? it's everything alright I'm done then with the work tracking that is approval of minutes April 27th and April 13th I thought the 13th looked good and on the 27th the only change I had was Mr. Care versus Ms. in the third paragraph okay I have four sisters April 13th that was at 27th I'm sorry and usually I don't care I just thought that was fun use your term to have that word on the minutes for the 27th I'm listed as both being present and absent well actually there may have been a few meetings but I was absent that means and on the 13th excuse me for interrupting but it's not that you were just late no I was not and on the 13th in the last paragraph fourth line Mr. Gamble said the goal of the design standard should be to identify what the fiscal aspirations of the manifestations are and I had a problem with this because I would prefer to read something along the line Mr. Gamble said the goal of the design standards should be to illustrate the form and appearance of the master plan's recommendations or something to that effect I just thought the way this was phrased was I read it a couple times but yeah I finally got it I like what you said illustrate the form and appearance of the master plan's recommendations that's under that I had no problem with the 13th minutes I moved to approve the April 13th minutes as amended second I moved to approve the 27th minutes as amended did you do blue no I just did the 13th did you have something else and no but I was stating oh right sorry about that second all in favor I abstained and then we had a request late last week from a resident of the town to go back to minutes from November 3rd of last year during a zoning application he was concerned that some of his questions didn't make it into the minutes I told him that we'd bring it up at the meeting tonight but my feeling my feeling on minutes that old is that there's no good way to go back and reopen those I did look to see whether video of the meeting was available and it's not it's the first time in Hollywood I think there are only two meetings that that's happened minutes should really be a picture of the meeting I don't think they need to be a verbatim rendering of every conversation that happened I think the general sense of what occurred at that meeting is reflected in those minutes but I'm not suggesting anyway that we go back six months and reopen anything from that part back I don't think it's fresh in our memory that I think we might be doing more I'm good to take that so I agree with what you're saying Andrew I've always felt minutes are supposed to be an overview of what happened but not a transcript no and if they were designed to encapsulate everything that happened and everything that was said the minutes would stretch out to be pages and pages and I think we're fortunate that we have Carol taking excellent notes and Amy transcribing those into a very good record but they don't need to be an exact replica it's if that were the case we'd have a stenographer here I agree okay alright so that closes that item Carol did distribute a public body checklist for creating and improving meeting minutes we'll add that to tonight's minutes as opposed to documents used item for future references to what the purpose of meeting minutes is supposed to be if that purpose is to serve and I think I point out that I think Carol and Amy in transcribing what it is that you take notes on and then I think in improving the minutes that we do follow these I feel good about that thank you for providing this you're welcome anything else I'll move to adjourn I'll second all in favor aye


A fiery horse with a speed of light, a cloud of dust in the heart of Ohio Silver, the lone ranger. The masked rider of the plane was the greatest champion of law and order the West ever knew. With his faithful Indian companion, Tonto, he fought crime and criminals to the length and breadth of seven states. But Justice met more of him than the letter of the law, and he was always ready to match wits with a man who used legal means to rob honest men and women. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear. From out of the past come the thundering hoops to the great horse Silver, the lone ranger rides again. Come on, Silver! We're having most fun! Nate Warren, his work crippled body, resting in an easy chair, watched his wife closely. She was standing at a window on the farther side of the room, and... Is it Matt, honey? I think so, Nate. Until he gets a little closer, it's a dark outside, it's hard to see. Uh-huh. It's him, all right. Can you see how he looks? Now, how could I this time of day? What's the use of your upsetting yourself, so?  Why should he? Of course he'd pay him, too. That's why. But if Matt would be able to take up that note, how? He'd rather Matt couldn't. So he could take over Matt's horses and sell them to the army itself. But I didn't think Mr. Thorne knew about the letter Matt got from Captain Ives. Who's gonna say what Thorne knows, and what he don't? All I said was I told Matt to keep still about it. That don't mean Thorne ain't found out. I've known that high binder for quite a spell now. Where there's a chance for a profit, he finds out plenty. But I know you're quiet. Hello, ma'am. How are you, Pa? How are you feeling tonight? The ache going out of your legs, any? Never mind me, son. You know what you're more than me waiting to hear. How'd you come out? The way you said I would. He turns you down? Oh, Matt, he wouldn't even give you one more week. No, not a day, even. In fact, this would have been better offer to ask for a year. Then he'd likely figured I was just hoping for things to get better. Asking for a week made him suspicious. Everything else being equally, new dog on, well, a week wouldn't be no help. So he guessed I had some kind of deal on the fire. Didn't I tell you about that fellow, ma'am?  Well, that's that. Wait from now on. I won't have to worry no more about how to make a horse ranch pay. I won't have any. He'll be thawing. Then when Captain Ive gets here, he'll have to buy horses from him for the army. Oh, it won't be that bad, will it, son? You'll be able to pay off part of the note and cash, won't you?  Oh, I haven't a damn. What, there was 500? Gone. Gone, Matt? But what? Wait, honey. Matt, did I hear you right? Did you really say the cash you've been saving is gone? All of it. Where? How? Well, that. Oh, it don't matter none, does it?  There's been expenses, of course. Doctors' expenses. Oh, now, Pa, I told you that... That the doctor you brought to see me didn't cost you none extra. That he was in town visiting from the east. Didn't charge you no more. Doc Macklin does. I told you. But if your 500's gone, I'm betting it's cause you're sent for that saw bones and had them come specially. Now, look, Pa. Ain't that so? Well, ain't it? All right, it is. But, dawg, gone, when I seen you moping around day in and day out, Pa, when maybe a good doctor from the east might be able to make you well again... But it was just for your own good. Now, you'll lose everything you own, the count of it. Well, if you'd had any sense, you'd have saved enough horses to sell to the army to get started all over again. Let's not talk about it, huh? I just don't feel up to it. I shouldn't take your word. I gotta go out. I ain't unsettled yet. Oh, nature shouldn't have been crossed with him. Why not? That money for you.   What's he mean by wasting good cash for grub and doctors and such? All his stove and all has been like me. Ain't I lived my life? You think all the saw bones in the world can ever make me good for anything again? Ah, anybody but a fool would have told me to pack up and get long ago. Oh, Nate. Now, what's the matter with you? For a minute, I thought you really were angry with me. Well, I am. I waited till I was flat-bushed for coming here. And he proved he didn't have good sense, but taken me in. Taken us in? Well, you kept house and cooked for him. You've earned your keep. But, Paul... I never. But I'm gonna. Huh? And, Hattie, you're gonna help me. I'll do anything Nate, you know I will. Then, first off, you get my boots and gun belt. Do what? You hurt me? Then, find me a horse and help me get aboard it. Nate, you haven't ridden for ten years. It's about time I did. You're not leaving this house. I am. No, you're not. Oh, look, honey. Listen to me. Yes? I'm about done for. No matter what kind of care I took of myself, I've got no great time to live. Nate, don't talk that way. Oh, listen. I'm just stating facts. When I say what happens to Matt is more important than anything happens to me, well, that's a fact too. So, give me my boots and the gun belt, honey. Then, put me on that horse. Afterwards, the law can have me. But Thor won't never collect on that note. Four hours later, the horse slowly entered the outskirts of the town of Stockton. In the saddle was a man who could barely keep his balance. Horse and rider hauled before a dimly lit office and then...  Engine! Hi there, engine! What? What matter? Speak English, eh? Good. Give me a hand to get down. I reckon I'm some cheeky when I figure to be. You get hurt? Nothing like that, engine. Just old and stove in. Here, it's kind of holding me steady while I slide out of this year's saddle. Oh! Thanks. Thank you kindly. Wait a second. Nope. I'll never make it by myself, engine.  Wouldn't think a fellow like me was good for much, eh? Where you going? Just inside there, engine. Just far enough to scotch a snake. Don't savvy that, do you? Well, maybe it's just as well you don't. Look, you mind helping me get to the door? Me help? What's your handle? Me name Tonto. All right then, Tonto, let's go. Ah! Yeah, no. Don't open it. I can make it inside when I'm ready. Ah, then, let me see. Yeah, but I have a look at my shooting iron first. All primed. What you do with gun? Engine? You can ask me lots of things, but that ain't one of them. Now, let me give you word of advice, eh? What that? Make tracks. Because I got a notion the farther you travel inside the next two minutes the less you're going to have to explain. It was still later that same evening when Matt Warren burst into the parlor where his mother was seated him. Moore, I thought you said Pa turned in. My lands, ain't it? Well, his room's empty. Why, son, you must be mistaken.  I looked in his room to see if he was sleeping comfortable and he weren't there. Even his bed hadn't been touched. Well, what could have become of him? That's what I'd like to know. You think he'd have been low-quenched to try going outside without telling anybody? Don't seem like you would. I'll take a look, maybe. Hey! Moore? Yes, Matt? Did you help him do his room? Well, now that's a silly question to ask. Did you? Well, of course I did. And helped him to bed, too?  Now, I think you better do it. And if you helped him to bed, like I say you did, how do you explain his bed and not being touched? What? Moore, you know something about his disappearing. You must. Where'd Pa go? What happened to him? Matt, you're talking foolish. No, I'm not. There's only two ways to explain about his bed. Either you never helped him in there, ma. Or you did. Then he left afterwards and you made his bed again when he was gone. Either way, you'd have to know about it. Now, what's this mean? Son, I don't... Carry him in. Say, what's the... The masked man? Oh, man! Don't look at him! You didn't wait! You have to do this! One moment. Put him in that chair, Kimosabi. David, why couldn't you have let me be injured? Why did you have to go and spoil it anyway? Oh, what's happened? Ain't none of your business. I'll explain if your father won't, Matt. He tried to call on Thorn tonight, but luckily for him it was Tal who he asked to help him to the office. He was calling on Mr. Thorn? With a six gun. Oh, you didn't mean to... What I meant to do is my affair. But look here... Matt, he meant to help you, even if he doesn't want to admit it. Tal have stopped him, brought him to me and I got the story out of him. Oh, he was trying to help me. How? He would have shot Thorn, taken the naughty holds and destroyed it. Did you go crazy? No such thing! Why shouldn't I have drilled this skunk? Don't you mean to put you out of business? But you'd have been jailed. What if I was? You are local. Quit calling me that, ain't! Would have saved you, wouldn't I? What's the difference between jail and anyplace else when you're too stove-in to get around anyhow? Well, you'd have gone to jail for me. If Tal hadn't meddled... I don't know what to say. Then don't say nothing! It's for you, charred old. You too, Mr. Mashman. I wish to heaven... That way you'd stayed out of this, I know. But would you feel better about it if I told you we can help Matt without having the kill to do it? Huh? You'd help me? Yes. What for? What are my troubles to you? Thorn needs a lesson. Perhaps he's within the law this time but I've heard enough about him to know the law doesn't mean much to him. If he's inside or out of it, he's a money-grabber. And then some! But I... Wait. Matt, as I understand it, an officer is coming here to buy your horses for the army. But he won't get here left to that note to do. Thorn will get my horses for a half of what they worth to make up what I own. Well, I'll be left with nothing. You have nothing else with which to pay? Not a thing. You see, I lease my land and pay rent for these buildings. The horses I raise are all I own. If Thorn couldn't just take your stock of your permission, the sheriff would have to put them up for sale and Thorn take his money out of what they brought in. But there ain't a market for fine stock around here. That's why selling to the army would be my only chance to stay in business so things get better. But now what'll happen is Thorn will bid in them horses himself, dirt cheap. He'd likely end up owning them with me stealing debt to him. When does that note you? Four days. And when can Captain Ives get here? Not for a week yet. Very well. Promise me one thing. Don't let the sheriff put your horses up for sale until the note is due. I wouldn't have any, huh? Good. Come, Thunder. Hold on. He said you'd help, huh? I will. How can you? Matt, that's something you'd better not know. Good night. One, two. I think we'll do what Thorn's done several times. Kimosabi? Yep. What that? We'll step outside the law. Ready? Uh-huh. Then let's go. Come on, old fellow. Get up, sir! Silver! The curtain falls on the first act of our Lone Ranger story. Before the next exciting scenes, please permit us to pause for just a few moments. Now to continue our story. Four days passed. The note held by Thorn fell due. And immediately afterwards, the moneylender took steps to seize Matt Warren's stock. Both Thorn and Matt appeared before Judge Luther and... Judge that note's past due. Matt owes me a thousand dollars, can't pay. That's so, Matt. Can't you pay it? Well, I can't now, but I would have Thorn had given me another week. Well, Thorn, why don't you? Why should I? You sure wouldn't say you needed that thousand real bad? I always understood you was right while all. If I am, it was my letting folks owe me money, beg off from payin' it. No, no, I reckon not.  I wanna pay at my will, if you don't... If I let you take your time about it. Well, that's not the way of doin' business. No, your way of doin' business is to grab a profit, no matter who gets hurt by it. That's a lie, Blashtow! No, you just... Here, here, stop it! Both of you! Now then, any more of that, and I'll tell the Sheriff to get in the fight. He'll handle you both. You hear that, Sheriff? Sure did, Judge. Remember it. Well, I'm sorry, Judge, but Dog gone it. You'd be mad, too, if you was me. The only reason Thorn's makin' me trouble is because I was rigid enough to ask him for just a week to get that thousand in. That showed him I was figurein' to make a deal, so he decided to make it himself. Math right, Thorn? I don't know what he's talkin' about, and neither does he. I suppose if the Judge tells the Sheriff to auction off my horses, you won't bid them in yourself. I'll have to. I don't know anybody else would buy them. You'll get them for almost nothin'. I'm not in the horse-breedin' business. They ain't worth much to me. But you've got a darn good notion you'll find out where I figure to sell them, ain't you? I don't know what you're... Maybe you'll be able to bid in my stock for less than a thousand. Then while I still owe you the difference, you'd hunt out the bar I hadn't mined, sell the horses, too, make a big profit, and all the time with me still in debt to you. Why confound you? I'll show you a few... I... I wasn't goin' to say anything.   Matt, I'll have to admit, I'm kind of... I kind of sympathize with you. Well, then can't you do something for me? The law's the law. You all phone money. You can't pay it. So if he's entitled to get his cash, the best way he knows how. But it ain't fair, I tell ya! Quiet! Sheriff. Yeah? I'm authorizing you to seize Matt's horses. Advertise an auction to sell them off. All right. From what you take in, you'll take out whatever the sale costs the county. Plus, any taxes may be Matt owes. Then you'll give Thorn what he's got comin'. Or watch a kin of it. After that, there's any cash left? There won't be. As I was sayin', if there's anything left after that, it belongs to Matt. See that he gets it. Sure. Thank you, Judge. I would like that. Ben! What's the idea, Buston, here without being told to? Sheriff, see that Ben... But I gotta see Matt a second, Judge. It's important. Well, you can't see what Ben wants to judge it. It wouldn't take but just a second, and maybe it is important. All right. But then tell him to get out. Thank you. Judge. Well? About the auction. If it could be real soon, I'd appreciate it. Anxious to get them horses, huh? Not exactly that. But then... There ain't gonna be no sale. Huh? You threatened me, Matt? No. Then just what do you mean by what you say? Only what I told you. There won't be no sale, because there ain't no horses. Ben just brought the word. They've been stole. What? It's a trick. No, I tell you. Judge, if they were stole, Matt stole them himself. He stole them and cheated me out of what's rightful him. Look here, Thorn. But it won't work, Blastia. I'll see that you go to jail for it.  Thorn left the courtroom and hurried on foot to the cafe, a block distant. There he sought out a dark, heavy-set man named Fresno. And, taking him to a corner table, he told him what had just happened. And you figure Matt stole them horses himself, Thorn? Of course he did. Why would he steal what belonged to him in the first place? To keep them horses from being sold to me, you fool? To stop the auction. Oh. But I told him he wouldn't get away with it and he won't. Fresno, I'll have that fellow jailed. Uh-huh. I don't blame you. But that'll take care of itself. What's important right now is getting them horses back. Yeah. And in a hurry. The sheriff will hunt for them, won't he? Yes, but so will you. Me? The sheriff will... Can't you understand they have to be found in a hurry?  Oh, what have you learned about Matt's deal? Nothing. Nothing at all. He ain't talked. Didn't you go out to his place? Sure. But none of them talk. Well, there you are. I know someone must want to buy or Matt would never have asked for extra time to meet my note. If them horses can be put up at auction, I'll get title to them. Whoever that buyer is, he'll come to me. He'll have to. Then what are you worrying about? I'm not worrying because I don't know the buyer. I'm worried because I don't know how soon he'll get here. What if he got here in time to bid against me? Then where'd I be? I couldn't bid more than he does if I'd never be able to sell him to him at a profit. If I bid less, he'd get the horses and I'd just get them out of the note. And you want more, Matt? I want every last penny I can make out of this deal. So I'm to look for them horses myself. You're to look for them and find them. You need money? I was born needing it. Then locate that herd. There'll be $100 in it for you. But find it within two days, then there'll be $100 more. Now get busy. Go out to the warren place and pick up the trail. For the next few days, the countryside was thoroughly searched for a clue to the disappearance of Matt Warren's horses. Fresno, the sheriff, and Matt himself led parties of expert trailers, but with no success. The animals were followed without difficulty until their trail crossed a wide expanse of hardened lava. And there all signs vanished. Conto, the faithful Indian companion of the Lone Ranger, kept an eye on these searching parties without allowing himself to be seen. Then late one afternoon, he heard himself hailed by the masked man. Oh, there's Teddy. Oh, where are the search parties? They're over that way. Still investigating those blind canyons off the lava field, eh? Uh, they're not pine horse, though. But they will soon, Turner. And pine trail? They're not that. I doubt they could find the horses in the next month without a hint. That's right. But it's time they got a hint. What you mean? Captain Ives is on the Stockton stage. Oh. He'll be in town before nightfall. That's good. So now's the time to carry out the rest of our plan, Turner. But we'll have to take care of Matt's under suspicion. We must be sure the law doesn't become certain he's behind what we've done. Come on, soon we'll get him on the sky! Hurry! When the stage arrived at Stockton, Captain Ives and civilian clothes descended, inquired the way to the war in place and arrived there just after dark. Matt's mother opened the door in response to his knock and... Yes? Good evening. This is where Matt Warren lives? Uh-huh. I'm his maw. Step in, won't you? Thanks. I'm Captain Ives. Your son has probably mentioned me. Well, good evening, sir. Howdy, Cap. Have a chair, won't you? Thank you, I will. Sure. Sit down and make yourself comfortable. Matt's my son. Right now he's cleaning up. Been to Saddle all day. Call him, won't you maw? Uh-huh. He'll be here in a second. But Cap, I'm afraid you got here too late. Too late? But I thought he understood that I was coming. He knew when you'd get here, Cap. That ain't it. Well, surely he hasn't sold his stock without letting me know. It ain't that either. This is him now, Cap. Maybe he'd better tell you about it. This is that army fellow you was expecting, son. Howdy. I wish I could say I was glad to see you. I'm afraid I don't understand. I ain't told him what happened yet, Matt. Oh. Well, Captain, you made a long trip for nothing. Right now I couldn't sell you a horse if you offered me a hold of cash in Texas. Crook stole every critter I owned. No. Sorry, but that's the way it is. You can't find no trace of him. It's like they've been swallowed up. That's what I've been doing today, trying to pick up the trail. Well, that is too bad. Maybe you had a long trip off for nothing, Cap, but Matt's flat-bushed it. Is that true? Yep. This cleans me out.  I'm right, sir. You've had to waste your time. You still have to get off to somewheres, though, I suppose. Yes, we need remounts badly. Well, I'll give you the names of a couple fellas I know on the stage might look up. But you'll be staying the night, won't you? You must be right tired. Frankly, I'm tired enough, and I'd like to stay, but I'm afraid I can't. You see, I haven't much time. If you'll give me the names of those men you mentioned, maybe I'll still have a chance to catch tonight's stage. Oh, sure. Now, let me see. Oh, over near Grover, there's Max Duncan. He's got some mighty fine horses. Ridge Lawson's got a place over by the creek. Max, the horses! What? Matt, outside. They found them. What, sir? It must be them, son. There's all them horses, and I see Mr. Thorne and the sheriff. That's them now. Well, I'll be a hop toward you. Come in. Hang on, gentlemen, Fresno. Bring him on in here. Right. You found the horses? Howdy, folks. Yep, everyone, Matt. My deputies are turning them into your corrals right now. What did you say? And what's more? Here's one of the crooks that stole them. Me, not crook. Well, it's time to start all. It was me that seen them and trailed them to the canyon where they'd had the horses hid. Yep. It was Fresno tipped us off. Likely they was holding the horses till they'd seen their chance to run them across the border. But you got them back. Sheriff, I wish I could tell you how much I'm appreciating this. Shucks, Matt. I don't want to close it. Matt, so fast. Huh? I guess you're forgetting that court order, Matt. Them horses are going to be put up at auction. They don't belong to you anymore. As a matter of fact, your guess was right. I am going to bid them in. Sheriff? Yeah, Thorn? I demand that you hold the auction at the first possible moment. Good. Huh? Who are you? Captain Ives of the United States Army. Commissioned to buy cavalry remands. You... Then you're the fellow Matt was going to deal with. Yes. I'm willing to pay $5,000 if his stock meets with Army specifications. Are you prepared to go over that figure? No, no. $5,000? Of course he ain't. It was you, Captain. He figured to sell them horses, too. Oh, think of it. $5,000. It'll pay the thousand I own, leave us $4,000 over. Ain't that fine? And you can just bet those horses will be what you're looking for, Captain. You won't find better anyway. This ain't right. He ain't got that right. How long are you on, too, Thorn? But I must get them horses. We're found too late to do you any good. But don't you... But that don't mean you don't owe me a hundred for finding them. Just the same. You'll pay every other ticket out of your hide. This ain't legal. I'll see Judge Luther. No, shut up, or I'll see the judge. What? You told everybody in town I'd stole my own stock. Try to spoil things now and I'll sue you for every dollar you got. And Matt'll have a good chance to get it, too. Finding the engine with the horses proved you lied about me. I didn't mean it, Matt. I never meant to call you a thief. You won't sue, will you? Not if you don't meddle. The horses are yours if you want them. But, Redskin, I'll see that you hang as high as a kite. Come on, the time.  Now to one side quickly. That mask man's one of the crooks. Share of arrest him. Go after him. Get him to follow, but you won't find us. Adios. Sheriff, I don't take a lot of it. Oh, those are the two fellas that promised to help me. And instead, they tried to rob me. Well, son, I'm wondering about that. Uh-huh. I'm wondering a lot. Help! You have just heard as a copyrighted feature of the Lone Ranger Incorporated.