Hello and welcome back to the craft box. My name is Brenton today. We're on episode 54 of the Pirate 101 walkthrough If you haven't gone and watched last episode go do that And if you haven't checked out all the other episodes links in the description to the playlist But today we are Defeating Relic Guardians to start with who are over here So this is the second last episode Most likely of Mooshie, which is so good. We're currently trying to collect Turtles. We have three of the five I believe So yeah, we need to do two more Which is great, so we're nearly done Which is good. No, why no shrine is peaceful. What are you doing? I'm collecting things Sorry about it Okay, um, what's we doing? Who do we got you? Okay Okay done. Let's see what we can do. What a damage we can do Oh the block okay Best fine. Nice. Best fire again. Perfect. Yay Okay, nice sweet You need a daddy dying a bit Nice Perfect. That's so good These guys are kind of these guys have really cool models. I quite like them. They're quite cool. These terracotta warriors Do we have agility now? Nope, we don't know. Okay, then That's fine Who needs agility anyway, you know, not me Nice Sweet Best nope. Okay, that's fine That's fine Quick adjust. Nice. Yay He nearly did Nice, so it's good double tap I could have done one more and he would have been dead. I'm lucky. Okay Mega what? Wow, he's kind of good. He kind of good that blocks. He's pretty good. He's pretty good Okay, let's do you Hopefully you're out. Um, you can go on him. You can go on him Dumb Okay, he's not out.  Don't run away. Don't run away. Don't want to ray Okay That's good What are you going to do? You're going to my pet? No, you're gonna hit duck holiday. Of course you would You're heading home. Okay How far away are you from each other? You're like that. Can we do this? No, we can't.  You do that. See how that works. Should hopefully work well, but but Oh, that's fine. Nice. Okay, that worked Sweet amazing. We done that. That's good Collect the treasure Okay Defeat guardian spirits So they What are they who knows? Guardian spirits further up the hill obviously. Oh another boss fight. Okay, then Let's see what you are going yay Guardian spirits, I wonder what they are. I can't actually remember They you can't do this stop our guardian spirits will harm you look into your heart Look into your heart Well, it looks like we're gonna have to fight these guardian spirits. That's unlucky Okay, let's do that nice Okay That's fun. What is that? They're all attacking my pit That's interesting nice Okay, we can we can hit all of them which is good rip They have witch hunter that's interesting rip pit we can hit all of them though, which is good Done. Let's see what this does Okay, that's good. Okay These guys have lots of health Okay Blop blop or just blop Oh No, they're all on me. That's not good What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do these two or there's three? They have to do two or three. We can do three. That's cool We're just that guy in the middle But but nice double tap. Oh, but but nice But but but Yay This is going well Well, okay, that's good. He's dead. Yay one down One down three to go. Yay here. We can get two of them At the most I think just go for you. You can get on him Yay, but but he's dead nice one left. That's good One left one left one left one left one left one left one left well well well well well one left We will just put everyone on him because obviously that's what we do Let's go Boop Make a hit snuck make a hits nope Be gone. We did it. Yay Okay, that's good They must fear up prowess. That is where they do not attack. Let's take the staff and press on okay, where are we going next? Defeat temple guardians. What are the temple guardians? I assume that they are I? Assume that they're helipads To be honest Wonder if I'll be right What is this way what is it this way? This way is up a mountain. Okay, that seems perfectly safe. Is there a life fountain down there? I don't know. You know what we're gonna risk it risk it go in 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 go in yay Yay, yep Okay, I Will be back after this battle just because it's basically the same and it's probably getting boring by now So yeah, righty.  I watched cannon fire glitter in the darkness near Valencia Stormgate all of those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain These monks are really taking all of the fun out of this adventure. No Time to get to the bottom of this we are a peaceful monastery given to meditation and quiet contemplation of the wonder of life Why why? Why have you attacked us? We have stolen nothing Please talk to master Hong Bao and make sense of this tragedy Okay, let us go and talk to Hong Bao My backpack is full. I need to sort that out. I might have to go and sell some stuff at the bazaar And I could just delete a whole bunch of stuff either way it's possible But let's go talk to hang bow on bow Where is he down here? Why is up here? I Don't remember this place But he's up here apparently there he is. Hello. What is the meaning of this unprovoked attack dragon prince? Impossible he was transformed into a wind horse cursed by low pan Realization comes like the welcome light of dawn low pan must have worn the shape of dragon prince and sent you He has gone too far No pan has sent violence into the world It is his karma to receive it take back the alabaster horn low pan uses for his magic Return to me when low pan is punished Okay, I will be back when I am at low pan I'm back. So I sold some stuff and Walked all the way here. It's a long way So, yeah, let's The jig is up low pan the monks of the crimson lotus send their regards Well, that's unlucky because you did now Okay, boop boop. What that was weird. We can silly go. Okay Defeat low pan Well, that should be easy he's he's quite a simple guy you know just Put in some traps around us and boom bam bam. He's dead Right, right? Am I right? I think I'm right. I think I'm right Let's try them like make him come to us because that's fun You don't have very far movement. Do you? Don't you dare step in the traps before low pan? Um, okay No, there's one down These guys only have like eight health or something but more spawn They've got like 18 health. So you're not too bad Not too bad Oh this one behind us. Hi done Okay, that sneaky he tried to be really cool and be behind us but nope But Okay Yeah, hit the skeletal warriors and kill them. That's a good idea. There's more no Too many of them At least we can't hit anyone else. So Let's just Hit them as well. I'm done. Let's go But but but yay a captain my captain when we finish these warriors him will return more powerful than before Okay, then cheeky At least there's not too many of them. So it should be kind of easy Well, there's actually quite a few of them, but they have like no health. So, you know Should be fine What are we doing now?  Okay Overkill much, but that's fine. Okay two left. That's good pick kill one of them at least And then we can get the other one and then hopefully it will be good Yay What level are these by chance level 46. Okay, so they are technically good Yeah, we'll put you there.  Just in case we don't kill first time because that would be bad Uh, boop Yay Hi Okay, he's a bit good now. He's actually good now Boop boop There's more to fit low pan. Okay, we know. Um, I'm just gonna hit you I'll snipe you Good hit you boom. I'm done Okay, perfect Really that dodge is so unfair. Okay. That's good He's quite good at dodging. Geez He's half health now. So that's good Nice, that's good. Okay, he's nearly dead, which is good. He's under 25. So hopefully no more cheats Nice fizzle there and we are going to go like this. Yes pet go Nice work Um, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? Where do we um How much does this do? Okay, that will stop us dodging all the time as well He's on Yay, there we go That was that was actually really easy really really easy. Okay. Just there. That's fine Oh, we got an egg. We have the other master horn We should return to speak with master hon bao Um, I'll be back once I'm at Hong bao I'm back life has turned and low pan has paid the price for his evil ways If you wish to earn dragon prince's esteem you must first free him from his curse low pan turned him into a wind horse A key ring To summon a key ring you must offer laurel leaves play the harp of harmony and blow the alabaster horn All at the cloud shrine Laurel leaves are beloved to the key ring and grow in only one place the slopes of this sacred mountain Sadly the harp of harmony was stolen from the temple of the north wind by the amber horde it must be on one of their ships The cloud shrine is in the veil of winds part of the ravaged valley that place has suffered much hardship Okay, I'll be back once I've collected all of these things because no doubt it's gonna be a while So I gathered all that stuff and made it over to where we need to summon the current Um and over this bridge as well And it should be What are you waiting for? Let us bring the key ring That was quite interesting old friend Remember your true form cast aside the shape of the wind horse and wear once more your former majesty Monkey king I had such dreams thoughts of heaven and sky what happened I don't know fam you tell me remember now Lopan transformed me with his evil magic I was kirin, but I am a dragon once more Monkey king if you are here, it must be for my turtle ball Who am I to stand in your way? Here it is use it wisely Four count them four turtle balls. I'm on a roll. Let's get back to shun zeng. He'll tell us how to get the last Okay, I will be back once I am At shun zeng. I am back at shun zeng You have done much until now only I had the wisdom and competence to gather so many turtle balls at once Would that I could give you my turtle ball, but it was lost to me somewhere too dangerous for even me to voyage Of course it was But anyway, level is good. I'll take that only the last turtle ball Allude you and that will be the most difficult to reach. You must venture to hamakala temple You are not afraid hamakala Evil demon god of the ninja peaks What do you think you can just go in and out of his temple like Like the wind shun zeng that's the plan if we're not back by morning summon the emperor Okay Seems like we're going into the temple. So let's go How are you like how are you like Sitting like that it looks awfully uncomfortable. It looks like you've broken your leg to be honest Okay, I'm just gonna leave you. That's perfectly fine But anyway, I will be right back once I'm at hamakala temple Okay Plus Thank you Let's go Let's do this we can do this I think Here we go Um, okay You you you you easy easy easy Easy peasy done Let's go So your next episode we will be summoning the great turtle With all five turtle balls because we get the turtle ball after this Which is going to be cool That means the next episode is the last episode of musho and then we head on to marley bone, which is Really good because then we've only got marley bone aquila and Valencia part two, which is only like a couple of episodes. So yeah, that's cool I'm excited about it Very excited to be finished with musho Musho by far is one of my least favorite worlds I just hate it, but you know, that's my opinion.  Thank you Okay now what? Okay, we'll get these guys That was good Nice But nice double tap again sweet, but but perfect another double tap. There's another guy. What? Why is there more? This is not fair There's like so many what? What is the goal of this I need to check? Okay, cool just to get your little dance over. Thank you I've watched cool Cool, bro. Cool Cool hit me all you want. You're not killing me I am too good nice Okay What is the goal of this? I'm pretty sure it was defeat all enemies wasn't it? Yeah, it is but more spawn what that's a bit of hacks That's a bit of hacks Hacks this is hacks Oh, maybe it's every time you hit these guys that more spawn. I don't know Who knows? I don't know the cheats. I don't care These guys are usually easy to kill. So You know, I should be fine hopefully As long as they chill Um But you know, they probably want to be honest Up up up nice Wow, that was good. Okay Chill Oh my this could be actually bad. We might have a few dig companions Okay Okay, what are we doing? Um Let's get these guys you can go you can go you can go Actually, we might focus on this guy now done Okay, this is actually kind of hard. I'm actually kind of worried about this Oh nice Okay, good. He's dead Um Chantel no not chantel anyone but chantel Oh Thank you super head is good Double tap sweet Okay, um Sweet good nice block there. Okay So many things what the hell Why is there so many things Like what is this Okay, let's try this Okay, okay I might have to summon a henchman over here soon Because this is not going well Okay, one down three to go That dodge though was good. Oh no chantel might die Eh, this is not good I'm gonna need dim henchmen probably Okay, that's good.  So this is probably not good perfect Okay, that's good nice Oh no I was about to say they can't kill us all but They might be able to Well, I'm dead rip As long as duck holiday survives Duck holiday. Can you tank? Yes, you can. Okay. We're summoning a henchman. I don't care what you say We're doing it Because we cannot win anymore Duck holidays on like zero percent health Um, what's the lower? Where's a where's a where's a here Why? We don't need too high a level one We should still be able to do perfectly fine without it um What do we got done we'll go up there do that Nice Okay, that's good Really if it could Can you not? It's kind of rude. Thank you riposte is good. Okay Okay, good. Okay cheeky Nearly ripped our holiday Really, you're just gonna kill killer right away That's fine Thank you for dodging What are we gonna do? Um Thinking thinking thinking thinking thinking Okay, that's one dead. That's good two dead Okay, two left One duck holidays dead that's not Dodged thank you riposte cheers Dodge no, okay. That's fine. Um first track nice Thank you Cheers, that's good. Okay. Um, hopefully we can do that Swashbuck Clarif so good Um, what do we got? What do we got? What do we got? What do we got? What do we got? What do we got? What do we got? What do we got? What do we got? We could just do this do we have like bladestorm or something? No, we don't first strike two We'll just do that.  Thank you And we'll just Attack and kill hopefully Now a pet comes of course, you know Always at the last minute. What else do we have here? Let's finish it off with some lulz because he's got one health Yay, there we go. Okay. Thank you henchman. You would have you saved me Um Okay, that was good. Not really that was terrible.  Um A chest get it and be done quickly before this please poison our souls We need to go up here. Okay Boop Yay Amazing. I just realized that this is the same design as the um jade palace And was 101 like it's just a bit Higher up, but that's cool. Okay. Let's go back to Zhang who I have a port To which is good or just outside Um, and then we will end off the episode Let me in. Thank you. I'm on one health. It's lit um, yeah So next episode we will summon the turtle And do that and finish off mooshu, but now we need to see what shenzhen says Of course, here's the boss. Oh your legs fixed. That's good Touch a power you now possess more than enough to call the great turtle and the celestial shrine Below us a bridge leads to a tiny Throw the turtle walls from the edge There is little else I can say that Be respectful to katsu and he will look at translate Okay, so next episode we will um Defeat the great and powerful turtle or not defeat it. We will summon it and defeat the things on it um, but until then um subscribe Press the like button and turn on the notifications, which is the wee little bell So, you know exactly when the next episode comes and remember craft outside the box


Last figure today is François Raboury from the United States. Hey, though. I would like first to thank the organizers for the invitation. And I would like also to thank you for being here. It's very late. And since you are so good, maybe I are going to give you a treat at the end of my talk. So if you are good. So the plan of my talk is going to be the following. So first I'm going to recall stuff about geodesic currents. And I've been very lucky because it's bright young people like Vidéka on the Tegrin gave a very good introduction already to geodesic currents. And then I'm going to explain what is the UV current of a heat chain representation. And then I'm going to mix that with a complex structures. And I'm going to end up with questions. Because all this is essentially a work in progress with Andres Sambarino. And there seems to be more to be done. But so far we have not done much. OK, so geodesic currents. So as usual, I'm going to consider a surface S, which is going to be closed, connected, G is greater than 2, and mine will be also oriented. And I will denote by one of S, a fundamental group of S. And you know that associated to this group, you have a circle, which is a boundary at infinity of this group. And this is homomorphic to S1. And we consider space of geodesics, which is just the space of pair of distant points in the boundary at infinity. So it's a Cartesian square of that minus a diagonal. It's just a pair of space of pairs of distant point S1. So why is it called the space of geodesics? Because if you take a, so if a G has negative curvature, non-positive curvature on S, then this boundary at infinity of S identified with the boundary, visual boundary at infinity of the universal cover on two points correspond to a geodesic. So what is now a geodesic current? So definition, a geodesic current is a locally finite measure, a pi 1 of S invariant, locally finite measure. So examples, so one example is, well known. So you take now, let gamma, an element in the pi 1 of S. So it has two fixed points in point of gamma in the boundary at infinity. And you consider the following geodesic current. This is noted by delta gamma, which is a sum. So the idea is that you want to take the Dirac measure supported, so it's Dirac measure supported on spares gamma plus minus 1.  So you take the sum for element of pi 1 of S divided by the group generated by gamma of that. So that's the first example. The second example is the UV measure for hyperbolic matrix. This is a well known example, but I'm going to give the construction as a warm-up for the next construction. So second example, UV measure for hyperbolic metric. So this means that in this situation you have pi 1 of S, which is realized as a subgroup of PSL2R. And you can also consider PSL2R itself, so which is identified with the unit tangent bundle of the hyperbolic plane. And you have the action of the geodesic flow, which corresponds to describing that as a R bundle. And the quotient is, well, what it is, PSL2R divided by R. And this is identified with G by space of geodesics. And this carries a one form. So you have a one form theta on S2, which is a UV form. So this form is given by a view, which is the killing product of U with X. That's a generator of the R action. And it turns out that this is actually the connection of a line bundle. And d theta is the pullback of a certain form, which is, of course, the curvature form of this line bundle. But this is going to be the UV measure, the UV current. And of course, what is pi? Pi is this projection, UV current of the hyperbolic metric. So there are quite many things you can do with currents. And I wanted to say. So another thing you can do is to consider the Bonn-Arm intersection. That's a beautiful construction. So if you have two currents, you consider the following quantity. So that's the integral over G cross G divided by gamma of a certain quantity. And this is just the integral of U, cancer, U. You have a measure on that, you have a measure on that. And it turns out that this quantity is finite. And in some cases, we can actually compute it geometrically. The intersection of delta, gamma, delta, eta is just equal to the cardinal of the intersection of gamma on eta in surface S. So this object is indeed the geometric intersection for current supported on geodesics. And it extends continuously to all currents. So the other thing you can do is you have actually a pairing with something which may call parametrization form. So what is this pairing? So remember, you have this line bundle over G. So I describe it in this context of hyperbolic metric. But it turns out that this line bundle is well defined topologically. And you have an action of gamma here. So you have an action of gamma here, which leads to an action of gamma here, so that L divided by gamma is compact. Now you may consider on this object the form. So on L, let's define, so let omega 1 of L is a space of one forms on L, a long orbit of the R action. Or the R orbits. So what does it mean that locally there's an object which looks like f of x, y, t. So this x and y correspond to the part in G. So somehow you can think of this as a family of measures on the line depending on the base point. So you have a natural pairing between a current. So that's a current. And that's an element of omega 1 of L. And this object is just the integral of L of gamma of this same measure tensor. So you have a measure along the line, a measure along the transverse. So this defines a measure on L. So this now is a measure. And you integrate this measure on this compact set. Well, I should have said, of course, it's valiant on the gamma under pi 1 of s, which is the same thing as gamma. OK, so what am I here? Now each in representations. And Graham explained very nicely how it works. So you have the irreducible representation of PSL and R into PSL and R. So that's the irreducible representation. And now imagine that you take a hyperbolic structure. So you have here a discrete space rule representation. And you can compose these two representations. So these representations are representation in PSL and R, whose the ice key closure will actually end up into some PSL to R. And then by definition, we call those functional representations. So then what is a Hitching representation? So a Hitching representation is a representation row of pi 1 of s into PSL and R. I try to keep the fact that the dimension is d, not n, which can be deformed, a function representation. And here deforming means that you deform generator by generator. So then the standard notation is to say that let H of n be the space of Hitching representation. And of course, I would like this to be equivalent up to conjugacy. So the story started by a beautiful theorem by Hitching, which identified H of n with R to the dimension chi minus euler characteristic of s times the dimension of SLDR. So he asked the question, what is the meaning of this Hitching component? And of course, you notice that H2 is the same thing as Tichmer space. And then later on, Trojan Goldman interpreted what is H3. So it turned out that these days we know a lot about these Hitching representations as a Hitching component. And we have an interesting description of them as dynamical object. So they share many features of Tichmer space in the sense, for instance, that associated to such a representation there is a geodesic flow, exactly like hyperbolic structure. But there is something that we know very little about this. Are they related in any ways to complex geometry? We have a nice kind of Thurstonian Sullivan picture, but we don't have the analogous of that. So let's make a beautiful drawing. So that's a Hitching component. And that's a inside of Hitching component. We have this object, which is a function locus. This corresponds to functional representation. And this is, of course, identified with the Tichmer space. So what I'm going to describe is a way to project that, this quotient, in a mapping class group invariant way. For that, I need to, I want to introduce this uville current for the Hitching representation. So let's state a theorem. So if rho is Hitching, there exists map xi on xi star that goes from the boundary at infinity of pi 1 of s to, respectively, the project space and the dual project space. And this satisfies some nice property, for instance, they are continuous. And so you have this transverse property that is if x is different from y, then xi of x plus xi of y is equal to rd. And the other property which I will need is that the image of xi on the image of xi star are c1 manifold. Thank you, thank you. So the images of this curve are c1 manifolds. So it gives a c1 structure on the boundary at infinity. But unless you are in the function case, the c1 structure actually are different. So in other words, you have a map xi xi star from my space g, my space of geodesics, into an object o, which is a subset of rpd cross rpd star. This is a set of those line and co-lines, a line on the epa planes, I'm sorry, so that l plus p is equal to rd. There is a fact that o is a symplectic manifold, of course, in an SLD invariant way. And for those of you who know about symplectic reduction, it is actually the symplectic reduction of the action of r on rd cross rd star. So if you want to describe explicitly what is the symplectic structure, you consider the space l, which is a space of u alpha, such that alpha of u is equal to 1. So that's a subset of rd cross rd star. Oh, I'm so sorry, so sorry.  Yeah, I'm sorry, it's very late. So this is a symplectic manifold. So you have this line, this object, and actually this naturally project, of course, by an r action of over o. And you have then actually a one form theta on l. It's given by theta of at the point u alpha of v beta, which is alpha against u minus beta against v. So that's a one form on this line bundle. And you see that d theta actually is going to be the pi star, the preimage, of a certain form, symplectic form, symplectic form. That's very similar that. And now this theorem tells you a little more than the fact that this map is actually a c1. So this map is c1. And of course, gamma-equivariant. But this map is actually a, the image of that is actually a symplectic sub-manifold. Oh, the image of, wait a minute, I'm sorry, is a symplectic sub-manifold. May I see? I'm not being good. No, I'm really sorry. Thank you for the important interruptions. So the image of that is a symplectic-manifold. So you can produce something which we want to define as a Louisville current, current of rho. So what is it? So let's do it by lambda rho. This is just a pullback by psi, psi star of the symplectic form omega, which you have here. So this Louisville current. So we are kind of pretty sure that's a very bad terminology and it's going to fall back on us as all the previous terminology we have chosen before. So why do you want to call that the Louisville current? And why does it play a special role? So here is a little propos, let's say a theorem. So I'm going to explain the theorem. So lambda rho is either 1D intersection current. And lambda rho is the 1, 2 deep current. I should say rather it's proportional to that. So what does this first sentence means? It means that the intersection of rho of lambda rho with a delta gamma, stuff that correspond to a closed curve, this is exactly equal to the log of lambda 1 over lambda d of rho of gamma. So meaning that rho of gamma is a matrix which is diagonalizable. And I take the larger second value divided by the smaller second value, I take the log of that and that's exactly the intersection of that. So that's the definition of being the 1D intersection current. So what does it mean to be the 1, 2 deep current? Mean that nu is actually proportional to the limit when l goes to infinity. So in short words, it means that you want to consider closed jadezik. And you measure them with their 1, 2 length. And they become equi- there is an equi-repartition theorem. And this arrives to the deep current. So 1 over the cardinal of something which I'm going to call n of l, sum over n of l of gamma in n of l. I take then the log of lambda 1 over lambda 2 of rho of gamma times delta gamma. And I'm totally forgetting something. That's not the definition. You have to divide by, and then still not good. No, no, I'm sorry. There is no log here. So what is n of l? It's a set of gamma such that the log of lambda 1 over lambda 2 of rho of gamma is less than n. Correct this time? It's being recorded. Where is? That's a L'Uville current. Very hard when you collaborate if you sleep during talk. OK. So the fact that this L'Uville current as a 2 nature is going to be helpful in the alpha is a coefficient. The number, which is an invariant of the representation by itself. Maybe you want to call the volume the representation. But it's clearly going to blow up at some point. So we don't want to give it a name. So now let's mix in. So that's the definition of the L'Uville current. And that is a kind of very weird property that it is constructed with different roots. So now let's mix in 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3. With a complex structure. So let's assume now that let J be a complex structure on S. So then you can associate to this. It follows that then the boundary at infinity of pi 1 of gamma then becomes identified with the boundary at infinity of H2. And here, let's say I take the hyperbolic, the Poincare half-plane model. Of course now, two distinct points in the boundary of H2, this is question 2 geodesic. But you can associate to say to two points a nice object, which is an abelian differential. So let x, y belonging to G. Then you can associate to x, y, an abelian differential, which I'm going to call theta of x, y, which is dz times 1 minus x minus 1 minus 1, y minus c. So this is an abelian differential, abelian on H2. And which is characterized up to constant by the fact it's a unique which is invariant under the diagonal group, the stabilizer in PSL2R of my pair of points. So now you have something which depends on two points. So of course, what you want to do is to average that with a current. So let's define the definition. So the 8th Poirier coefficient of current mu with respect to G is equal to the integral over G of theta x, y to the power k, d mu of x, y. And let's call that u hat k of j. So that's a very natural object to consider. And actually, it has been considered before. So if you take mu is equal to delta gamma, so if mu is equal to delta gamma, then you exactly obtain the so-called relative point k series for j to the gamma. And we have a little proposition now that first mu kj is well defined. If k is greater than 2, I doubt it's defined for when you have reached a billion differentials. And second property is what is it? Oh, mu kj is actually gamma invariant. It's pi 1 of s invariant. And it's actually a holomorphic differential of degree k with respect to the corresponding complex structures. So another property that if you take, so all this depends on normalization. So forget about, I mean, there should be constants which are factorial of n or stuff or you don't know what. u kj against a holomorphic differential. So if you take the val Peterson product, this is the same thing as what is called the period of q. So this is something that I want to call qat. On the unit tangent bundle of s, I'm sorry. Actually, I introduced a definition for that. At this pairing of some object which I called, so there is a current against this one form which I called qat, qch. And qch is equal to q of x, x, x, x, x dt. And this is a generator of the geodesic flow. And so why do I call them Fourier coefficients? That you can actually interpret them, indeed, as Fourier coefficients. I'm sorry, I wanted to give you a treat. So now, that's a holomorphic differential of certain degree, let's say degree k. And this object is, so in other words, you take the integral of a US of a function which is the real part of q of x, x. So x is the point of US. There is no real part, I'm sorry. And then you take dt. So you take the form along the geodesic flow, and you take the tensor with the current that you have. So for instance, if you take the UV current itself of the hyperbolic metric, all this for a coefficient of 0. So maybe I should write that as a remark, that if mu is equal to nuj, the UV current of that, then all these Fourier coefficients are actually 0. So what's a theorem that we like with Andres? Just wanted to check if I've done my homework so far. Right, a theorem that given a teaching representation, there exists a unique complex structure up to the form of course on S. Such that, J on S, such that, the quadratic Fourier coefficient, to turn out the proof of that is relatively easy. Once you know enough math, so what is the idea? So what is the idea? So we consider the function, so let i rho be the function which is defined on Taichman's face, 2r, actually 2r plus, which is defined by 2 a complex structure J, associate the intersection of the UV current of rho with the UV current of the complex structure. So now you prove the following thing. So you first prove that i rho is proper. And that's, I mean, it's not very difficult, but it's even easier when you use a Hengren polymer. But it's not as deep as that. Then you prove that i rho is convex along earthquakes. So actually I should make here that the fact that you prove that i rho is proper using the fact that you have this interpretation as a intersection current. And here you prove that this is convex along earthquakes. So that's a follow from Steve's works. And here you use the fact that i rho is an average of current supported on geodesic. So now you know that you already know that you have a minimum because this is convex. So then you use the earthquake theorem. So it tells you that given two points, there is a unique earthquake flow and unique earthquake. And you want to know, now you want to show that there is a unique minimum. So you know that your function is convex on that. So it has a minimum, but this minimum could be not unique. So here to guarantee uniqueness, that's the word that trump used. I can spell it, I hope. Guarantee uniqueness. So you use the analysis of i rho. And for instance, this is done by Bridgeman and Arino. So the conclusion of all this piling up of here I mean that i rho has a unique minimum. And then you finally use this formula here. So then you realize that the minimum, you have this formula, this d i rho of a quadratic differential. So you know that the tangent space of the stationary space identify with quadratic differential. And you see that the variation of i rho in the direction of q2 of the quadratic differentials is exactly by this formula here. That against the quadratic differential here. So you see that's something that's not very hard to obtain. But that's still a nice result. So we have defined this way a map. So now let's go to the questions. So we have defined a sort of a projection from the Hitching component to the stationary space. So this is indeed a projection in a sense that you start from a point in the function locus. You end up in the function locus itself. But apart from that, we do nothing. For instance, it's pi a submersion. So we don't even know this object as this is a submersion. And what about the fibers? So we hope that the fibers are the fibers contractable. And if it were true, that would imply that Hitching component dividing by the mapping class group is actually topologically at least a nice vibration of a Riemann-Moduli space. And so now we are very greedy. So we have other questions. So we're just so far used only the quadratic and the second Fourier coefficient. But of course, we hope that the other one makes sense. And we have this nice map, psi. So it depends on the complex structure. That goes from the Hitching component to the sum for k equal to dh of d of the holomorphic differential of degree kd. So these two space have the same dimension. So by the inverse invariance of the domain, this should definitely be a homomorphism. So it's psi a homomorphism. So that sounds very greedy. And again, if this is true, then that would imply a nice result. That would imply, again, the description of the Hitching component as a vibration of a Tajmer space. So that's a yes. So that's it. So I could say more, but I promised a treat.


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Today, we have with us someone who actually worked for a company called Zanga. You may have heard of, if you're into gaming, especially the Zanga is a company that has created many games, including the famous Farmville and many others. His name is Neil. Hello, Neil. He's here with us in voice alone. But his name is Neil Herron. Can you hear me, Neil? Yeah. Yeah, I can. So where are you, Neil? You're in the US, right? Yes. I'm actually located in San Francisco, California. I've heard of that. The most beautiful city in America. So tell, you want to tell the story about when you sent me an email at five in the morning? Yeah. So, yeah, I had just actually heard about bitcoins. I think it was trading at like a dollar at that time. Well, to be fair, I have to say, it was only two a.m. in San Francisco, but it was five a.m. here. Yeah. Yeah. It was five a.m. But the fund lasted for like four or five hours. So it quickly became five hand. Right. Right. Yeah. I had just actually heard about bitcoins. And I was super excited about the prospects of integrating bitcoins along with what we do, which is make games. And I just thought that it was a much cleaner way to get users to be able to buy games, to be able to play games, and not have to worry about how to pay for it. It just made a lot of sense. So yeah, I immediately sent you an email and we started talking. And there was a lot of potential in that conversation. So it was a very good conversation. Okay, great. So what you do is you create games. Farmville is one of the first social games that actually gets you involved with all of your friends and family and you invite each other. And it really is like really sticky. It draws people in to the activity of the game. I learned this from you in that phone conversation, by the way, because I don't really know anything at all about games. But I learned two things. Tell me if I'm wrong or if I'm right. Yeah, you are absolutely correct. Farmville was one of the earlier games that actually integrated social media with gaming. So it's like basically helped you connect with your friends, play with your friends, and all in a setting that was very friendly, very casual, and all on Facebook. And then there are other games that have come out that are across all platforms, like Angry Birds. Everybody's familiar with Angry Birds, even if I'm not into gaming, but I know about that. And that it's available on every single platform. Right? Yep, that is correct. Angry Birds is kind of one of those, it's still a different type of game. It's one of those casual games, but it doesn't exactly fit into the Facebook model necessarily yet. But I'm sure it's just a matter of time before they're on Facebook as well. So when we talked in that conversation, you were really excited about Bitcoin because you can see that obviously everybody who is technical and who gets into, discovers Bitcoin, sees the advantages and the benefits, and it's just so free that it's not regulated or controlled by one company, by Facebook, or by the bank, or by MasterCard, Visa International, or PayPal, or whatever. You're not tied by all of these artificial boundaries and barriers. It's just as free as the internet itself. So you saw the potential in using it in gaming. So tell me, what were your thoughts then, and then what has happened since then? Where have you gone with that, if anywhere? So one of the challenges when you incorporate payment systems into gaming is you have to deal with credit cards, you have to deal with third-party vendors. You have to deal with third-party payment systems, and it becomes really, really complicated after a while. Also these third-party payment systems like Facebook credits, for instance, or even Apple, for instance, these guys, they take very, very high commissions when they incorporate their payment system into your game. Even Apple, isn't it especially Apple? I mean Apple on their apps and basically all the software and everything that they sell in the app stores, don't they take like 30 percent? Is it the same with the money in the game stores? Yeah, exactly, it is. And Apple takes 30 percent, like you said. Facebook actually, they take a little more than 30 percent. They take 30 percent, but then they also have these free Facebook credits that they've given out. So basically it somehow works out to being like 50 percent, which can really, really be pretty tough to deal with, especially if you're startup. Where was that other 20? They take another 20 percent. Where was that again? Yeah, so that's through Facebook actually gives out a lot of free credits, you know, trying to get you to use Facebook credits and whatnot. And if people use those Facebook credits, those free Facebook credits, you don't get anything from that. So it works out to being like 50 percent. Wow, 50 percent. Well, because you're saying so 20 percent goes to Facebook, 30 percent goes to Apple? Sorry, no, no, no, no, no. So Apple and Facebook, they're different. Apple for their games, their apps, they take a flat 30 percent. I guess the universal standard now these days, 30 percent. But Facebook also takes 30 percent, but they take, in addition to that, they also have free, these free Facebook credits that, you know, just to try and get the user to be familiar with Facebook credits, to use it and whatnot.  So basically they force you to give the service away. Exactly. And so you're saying overall, it averages out to like 50 percent because of that? Yeah. Yeah. Somebody, Jolene, in the chat room is saying it sounds like Facebook is eviler than Apple. Yeah. I wouldn't say evil, but definitely profitable. Yeah, definitely more profitable. They pass on the profits onto them. Yeah, pass on the profits to themselves. Yeah. So, all right, but meanwhile we have to live with the fact that Facebook is Facebook and Apple is Apple.  I mean, does Apple allow you and Facebook allow you to create games that work on every platform independent of their platforms? Oh, yeah, actually, they don't have any restrictions on that front just yet. In fact, the game that we are really just trying to launch right now, that one is actually on pretty much all platforms. It's on Facebook. It's going to be on iPhone, iPad, and it's also going to be on Android as well. So, yeah, they're pretty much welcoming about that. Okay. So, to be clear, then, you worked for Zanga when Facebook, and you're a developer on the team that created Farmville and many other games there at Zanga, right? Yeah, that is correct. Okay. And then since then, you're now independently wealthy and fly around in private jet. No, I'm just making that up. No, but you actually left making that part up. Just kidding. But no, you left Zanga, and now you've launched your own company inearth.com, and now you have your own venture that you actually founded. You're the founder and CEO of inearth.com, and so you're your own game developer independently now, is that right? Yep, that is correct. And you've got a whole team of developers that work for you? Yeah, yeah, we are about 24 strong right now. Wow, cool. All right, so now, so back to the story about Bitcoin. When you first discovered Bitcoin and you're realizing that, whoa, this is new, whoa, this is a game changer, what were some of your first thoughts about how Bitcoin could be incorporated into this world that you're in of entrepreneurial game development? So the first thought that came into my mind was, so when you think of social gaming, and you think of social media, you also think of what are one of those things that really helped social media get to the next level and whatnot, and payment systems was one of them. And I really believe the future is going to be a currency system that is decentralized. It's a decentralized currency system, one that's very easy to transfer, very easy to move around, very easy to pay for things, and bitcoins just happens to be the currency right now that's decentralized and does all those things that helps our industry. So it's a very, very mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship right now. And it doesn't hurt that it has zero transaction fees and it's irreversible, no charge backs, right? No, it does not hurt. Exactly. So like I mentioned, those 30% and the 50%, we don't have to deal with that. That's just an extra 30 to 50% profit. That's like more profit than many industries have, so just that alone makes it extremely profitable, and you can actually put that back, not only into profit, but into R&D and making even more awesome games, right? Yeah, exactly. All those profits get to go back into the product that we're trying to make a lot of people happy with. Absolutely. Now, the Apple has specifically banned many things that are peer to peer and about freedom and sharing like BitTorrent apps or Bitcoin apps actually are banned from the Apple store. Bitcoin apps, from what I understand, have not been approved. So is there any pushback from Apple or Facebook that's anti-Bitcoin? Have you seen anything like that? So yes, there would be, right? Now, right now, even from the payment systems that are incorporated into Apple games, you have to use Apple currency. You have to use their iTunes currency, right? Like you have to use that, and that's how they enforce the 30% rate. Well, in terms of using Bitcoins, we take a different approach. What we're thinking of doing is having an off Facebook, off iPhone, iPad, just a completely portal site that offers our gains and allows you to pay for features, pay for upgrades, pay for all of those things using Bitcoins. And hopefully, that will launch soon. That is our initiative, is to do everything off of Facebook and off of iPhone, iPad. Would you be able to buy Bitcoins offline and then bring that credit into a game that's on an Apple or Facebook? Yes. So the game already is on Facebook, and it will be on iPhone, iPad. So the game will be on all those platforms, and as well as being on those platforms, it'll be on an independent portal site, which will take Bitcoins. So it'll be still the same game. It's the same game. It's just another way to pay for it, another way to play. So is this sort of a workaround to allow people, I mean, so far they haven't banned the importing of game credit from outside platforms? That is correct. And I don't think the future, even in the future, they're going to be able to stop portal sites, like the one I'm talking about. It would be very unethical for them to do that, and I don't think they are going to do that. Are their portal sites already existing like this? I mean, I'm sorry for my ignorance about gaming, but are there already portal sites, like Farmville or any of these games? Do they have a portal site that you can play it outside of Facebook? Absolutely. Actually, Farmville is a perfect example. You can play it on farmville.com, or you can play it on Facebook. So farmville.com is the off Facebook version. Although it used to work like that. I mean, I haven't checked, but it may be that Facebook and Zynga, they have their own agreement, where maybe they are forcing Zynga to not do that. But last time I checked, it was up there. And someone, Akbar in the chat room is saying, is Facebook about to have Facebook credits that are virtual money, but you can only use them on Facebook, and they cannot be exported outside of Facebook. Is that true? Yeah, I believe that is true. I believe that you can only use it in Facebook. So I mean, as a game developer, can you say, no, you have a game on Facebook, but no, we don't want to take Facebook credits. We only want to take our own credits that you can buy on our portal site using Bitcoin. Is that possible? I mean, no. So they're definitely going to enforce that. They're going to enforce the use of Facebook credits on Facebook. When you have your game on Facebook, they're going to enforce the use of Facebook credits. But off of Facebook, I don't think they can do anything about that. Okay, so on Facebook, they can force you to use only Facebook credits to buy. Off of Facebook, they're so far they're not doing anything against it.  It's just like Apple, so far with a Mac laptop, a MacBook Pro, or a Mac Pro Tower, so far you can still install your own software with a disk or download and buy your own software in the store, but they're trying to go to a Mac store because obviously these companies like the idea of a store where they can force you to buy all their software and charge 30 to 50% for nothing, for absolutely doing nothing, except forcing you to buy it. I heard that as far as from a developer standpoint, the Mac OS X and the iPhone iOSS, iOS that is for the iPhone operating system, basically at the core level, there's no difference between the two operating systems, except for the, of course, the phone interface. But aside from that, the operating system was pretty much identical except for one thing. They forced you to install the software through the Apple App Store and take a 30% cut. They absolutely did not add anything, they just took away the ability to install your own software. So obviously, it's a very profitable business for Apple and obviously Facebook, everybody else is looking at Apple going, wow, they're making big bucks. So I'm sure Facebook wants a piece of that action. They're trying to emulate it maybe. Yeah, I mean, no, it's basically like what you said, there are work around stuff. I don't know if you've heard of HTML5. HTML5 is the new, well, it's going to be the new way of dealing with apps and dealing with web applications, web games on the new browsers. And because those things, like, because HTML5 is going to be working on a browser, and it already works on iPhone and iPad, that actually is a workaround to the 30%. That is a workaround to having apps on your, work on your iPhone without going through the App Store. So I'm pretty excited about HTML5 as well. So HTML5, you're talking about basically the ability to create browser-based apps, right? Yes, that is correct. Okay. And that's what we're doing. Actually, this is the Bitcoin show.  Bitcoin meetup, meetup, right? And as a spin-off of that, one of the groups is the hackathon that meets every Saturday. And those guys have created the first full app for Bitcoin app for Android. And it's in the Android market by Bitcoin Labs, is what they call themselves, the group of the hackathon. And they're trying now to do the same thing for iPhone. Okay. Except the problem with the iPhone is that it's not allowed in the App Store. So they're doing exactly what you're describing. They're using HTML5 and something JavaScript. I think it's JavaScript. But basically, they're just doing the same thing Google had to do. But basically, it's the same thing everyone has to do. If what you're doing is not approved by Steve Jobs, approved of, then you have to make a browser app. And luckily, that's a workaround that bypasses Apple's censorship. And so that is exciting, because all those people that are still using iPhones will actually be able to benefit from some of these apps, right? Yeah, that is exactly right. It's good and bad. You know, you aren't going to get the benefit of having the advertising on the App Store. But if you have your own advertising, you still get to keep all the profits. Right. I think it's worth it because if the app stands on its own and it's popular, and everyone who has an Android phone is talking about, oh, you've got to try this game or this app, people are going to say, oh, you can't give it. You have an iPhone. Sorry. But wait, you can go to the website. You can still run it through the browser. And people, actually, I think it's really good because the iPhone versus Android crowd, they're going to be able to communicate and say, look at the drawbacks of using an Apple product. And there's no reason technologically except for complete censorship and profit motive. People see through that. I think the public is starting to wake up to what's happening, that Apple's just disabling abilities for their own profit motives. And I wonder, is Facebook going to go that far? Are they going to absolutely lock it down so that you can only do things on Facebook? Do you see that happening? So I think to an extent, they probably will as well. They've got to think about their bottom line as well. But Facebook, to me, they're more into trying to expand their network and trying to, I think, trying to reach a billion users by the end of this year. At least, that's what I've heard. So if you're trying to reach a lot of users, you're going to do that by trying to put as little restrictions as possible. I'm sorry to interrupt. Joseph Stolling in the chat room says, Apple is disabling stuff to gain profit while Google is making stuff free and open to gain users. And that's exactly what you're saying. It's just a different business model, a different strategy. Yeah, that's exactly right. And Facebook can't afford to give up any kind of a market share to Google, especially with Google Plus that just came out, right? So it's going to be very interesting what happens with that. But I don't see Facebook doing the same thing as what Apple did. Yeah. So Facebook is probably going to have to, they're looking more towards Google as the competitor in social. So they're going to have to, Google is really setting the bar of openness that they're going to have to rise to or maintain a competitive advantage with Google. Meanwhile, Apple is backpedaling a bit because, you know, legal threats from European Union and whoever, they back down and now actually allowed Google to have Google voice and some of the other apps that they've prohibited in the past, suddenly they're okay in the app store. No apparent explanation or reason. They just backpedaled probably under fear of legal recourse. Yeah. And the thing is, you know, I mean, even from the restrictions, like the restriction standpoint, just take Flash, for instance. The fact that Flash doesn't even work properly, if at all, on the iPhone. Right. But it works pretty well on Android phones. So that itself is a pretty big deal because there are a lot of games apps right now that are Flash based that will work on your droid phone, but will not work on your iPhone. It has an EVO, an HTC EVO, and I am just amazed at how well the Flash works.  It's just absolutely brilliant to hear the audio and video multimedia work so well on that really beautiful screen. And then, I mean, does Flash work at all on an iPhone? I didn't think they have Flash at all. I don't think it does. I don't think it does. I think they kind of try to appease some of the lash back from people that were upset because Flash wasn't working on iPhone. Right. They kind of reached a middle solution, but that didn't work out. I don't think it works on the latest Flash. I really haven't seen Flash work on the iPhone at all, actually. Yeah. Well, maybe it will someday. Maybe eventually Apple, probably Apple will back down and start allowing some of these things eventually. But by the time they do, they will have lost so much market share that Apple won't even matter in the phone market. I said, I'm sorry to interrupt. I said this a year ago. I said, mark my word. It won't be long. In a year or two, people are going to say, remember when Apple used to make phones? That's my prediction. And this is before the explosion of Android. I think that that's going to happen because they're always revolutionary with the new user interface that's absolutely brilliant. And everybody said, well, yes, of course that's the way a phone should be. But when they just totally become the tyranny of your machine and block you from using it for what you bought it for, and it's your computer, that your handheld computer that you bought, and they say, no. You can't run that software. No. You can't look at that picture. No. You can't do this or you can't do that. Because we want, first of all, we want our profit, even on the things we do allow you to see. And we decide what you can see and what you can't see on your own handheld computer. That doesn't fly for long. The public gets educated and they're like, I don't think so. You know what? I'm going to make another choice where I can actually do a whole lot more and cost a whole lot less. And that's what happens. Yeah, no. I fully agree. It's almost like they're loaning you or they're giving you a lease to your system. Yeah. Hardware as a service. Hardware lease. It's actually our phone. You just rented it. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the new terms of service on the new phones, that you don't actually own the phone. You just pay for it with your service your cell phone bill every month for month after month. Long after the device is paid for. You're still actually paying for the device with those contracts with AT&T. The world's worst, you know. Anyway, it's crazy. More than any other service provider. Yeah. I mean, it's just horrible. Horrible, horrible service. But you're locked into it with a contract to AT&T and you're paying for the phone over and over and over again. But yet it's really not effectively your phone because Steve says no. You can't look at that. You can't run this and so on. And just bragging about how many apps they have and it's kind of pretty much all irrelevant now. And obviously, you know, it's coming true exactly as I predicted. A lot of people did. So Facebook though is a different animal because Facebook is not a hardware manufacturer and they're social. And they're only, is it true that like they're only real big threat competitively is Google? Yeah. I would say right now it is just Google. Although we'll see what happens with the whole, you know, MySpace buyout and everything. But I really think that their big threat right now is Google. Do you see Apple blocking games that can import credit from a portal site? So I don't know the answer to that. It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to do something like that. Right now, for instance, you know, Apple is like I can have an app on Facebook and I can have an app on Apple. And they kind of still work somewhat well together. Just they enforce the payment system.  But I wouldn't surprise me if they tried to block. Well, as long as it's as you got a browser based alternative, then it really makes Apple's tyranny and their decisions irrelevant. As long as they don't block the internet itself and they don't block you from going to a web page, then hopefully, and they don't block JavaScript and HTML5 and all that, the capabilities of HTML5, then it really makes Apple irrelevant in the picture. Then as long as you can get there with a working browser, it really makes them irrelevant. And then you're just back to dealing with Facebook and Google and the game itself. The game itself should stand on its own. And if you can get to it through the portal, then you get through it through a web link portal and buy credit with Bitcoin.  I actually do. I think I think Bitcoins and just the whole, you know, concept of a decentralized currency system, I see that being a very, very big player in this decade, actually. And so how do you feel about the, you know, people talk a lot about the volatility and the value of Bitcoin, although in the short term, it can be, you know, it can be worth whatever, you know, $30 on one day and $15 two days later, as we've seen. But overall, if you look at the a little bit, zoom out just a little bit. I mean, if you look at day by day, hour by hour, it can, it is volatile. Oh, if you look at the value a month at a time, though, it's basically up, up, up, up, up, you know, so is that a problem when it comes to spending Bitcoin for things like games? Well, I think that as long as we have some kind of a system that allows you to, you know, directly convert Bitcoins to cash, I think it kind of alleviates that issue. Obviously, otherwise, volatility would be somewhat of a concern. Have you, what's your perception from the first time we talked, which was a while back, until now, as to everything that's happened, as far as the developments of the new sites, notice the new sites like BTCnearMe.com and so on, where you can actually meet up with local people right in your zip code and meet them, you know, and buy Bitcoin for cash or cash for Bitcoin and so on, or, and also the new exchange sites like Trade Hill, and also the hacking of Mt. Gox and all that. What's your take on everything that's happened since the first time we talked? Yeah, I mean, it's just grown so much since then. You know, I see this actually being totally the right direction. You know, having vendors, having, sorry, independent brokers, you know, having these kind of systems in place that allow you to transfer back and forth Bitcoins to exchange back and forth between Bitcoins and US dollars or whatever currency that you're dealing with. I mean, it's a really, really strong, strong thing for promoting Bitcoin. I think that's a very, very good thing, and I think it's come a very long way since we last spoke. You know, speaking of that, I think I agree with you completely, and this is something I want to tell the audience and you too, that I know from my personal experience being here in New York City, New York City is full of talented people, actors, singers, musicians, and all sorts of super talented people. They come here to, you know, make it on Broadway or whatever, whatever it is that they come here to pursue their dreams, right? Well, meanwhile, they're waiting tables. You know, of course, they've got to pay that exorbitant rent, we're here in Manhattan to live on this little island. So that's the cliché is, you know, I'm an actor, singer, dancer. I really want to produce, but I'm waiting tables, really. And what, believe it or not, I've seen this trend over and over and over among my personal acquaintances that learn about Bitcoin. Of course, they learn about it from us and the show and all the media coverage and what's a Bitcoin and all that, that my friends say, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, that's all you talk about. But here's what's happened. Several of them have decided to become independent Bitcoin brokers. So they list themselves, you know, on like bitcoinme.com, there's a buy, sell tab and there's a, you know, under the buy, sell tab, there's option one. And it tells you the different websites that you can list yourself on. And also the bitcoin.org forums and all those things. They list themselves on all those places, including Craigslist, even eBay, everywhere. They list themselves all the places as an independent Bitcoin broker or dealer or exchanger or whatever you want to call it. And they're actually charging a commission, you know, they can charge 5%, 8%, 10%, whatever it is and they're busy. They are busy and they're making more money than they were at their part-time gig, you know, waiting tables. They're literally able to quit their job and have more time to pursue what they really want to do. And they've made a business out of selling Bitcoin. Most people are buying Bitcoin. So usually it's people looking to buy Bitcoin. It's just not immediately available. They want to buy it now. They don't wait two days because the price is going up or whatever. So they want to buy, buy, buy. And occasionally, someone will need the money right away and they want to sell. So these guys have it down. It's super. It's really easy actually. They just, you know, trade hill and so on. But for people who are not knowledgeable, there's a huge contingency of brand new people who just read it in, you know, Forbes or Business Week or whatever, Wall Street Journal and they want to buy Bitcoins today and they're buy. How do I buy it today? So these people are actually making a lot of money. And I have even friends in Nashville, Tennessee, all over the place. And they're the closest local Bitcoin dealer. And they're getting people calling them from England. It's just a crazy time right now. So people can make a lot of money just as a part-time Bitcoin broker. Yeah, I, you know, that's why I think that it is a system like this, a contingency system like this is the future, you know, and it's going to be like the currency of this decade, I think.   I'm very excited for the future of Bitcoins for sure. Now, have you worked on any projects specifically around this?  And I looked at it, it was an email and I just replied and said, yeah, you know, we'll call me tomorrow or whatever. And then you replied right away. And I was like, wait a minute, you're awake. So I said, call me right now.  But we talked for five hours from 5am to 10am my time. And we were so excited. We were just like kids on the phone. And just brainstorming and talking about all the possibilities that Bitcoin has. Have you pursued any of those? Is anything in the works that you're able to talk about yet? Or what's been going on in the, like, what is your company working on right now? So yeah, actually, what we've been focusing right now on is launching our game on Facebook. I believe you have the URL. And that is the game that we are going to try and incorporate Bitcoins in. So it seems like the perfect thing to try and go after, which was trying to integrate Bitcoins along with our payment systems. The game is called Master Dealer. The game is called Master Dealer. So it's apps.facebook.com slash Master Dealer. Yep, yep, it is that. And of course you can search for Master Dealer on Facebook as well. And yeah, it's right now playable on Facebook. It doesn't have Bitcoins integrated yet, but we really look forward to trying to integrate that as soon as possible. What kind of a game is Master Dealer? It sounds like a card game. It actually is a card game. It's very much like if you've played any of the magic gathering type of games. It's like that. But it got a little bit of monopoly in there as well. And it's also similar to Mafia Wars in some ways as well. So it's a pretty unique game. And we think it's actually pretty fun. Cool, cool, cool. And so right now what you can buy credits through Facebook, but soon you'll be able to use Bitcoin. That is the plan. That's the plan. Okay, very cool, very cool. And so do you have to buy credits to play it? Or is it? No, it's a game that's free to play. If you want a much better experience or be able to get ahead, it's kind of the same way as Zynga games really. You pay for both things. You pay for additional things. But the game is very much free to play and you should be able to get pretty far ahead in the game just by not paying or just playing it normally. So you play the game for free and then what do you need to buy Bitcoin or what do you need to buy again? Oh, if you wanted to buy more advanced card packs or if you wanted to special limited edition items in the game. Once that just kind of give you that extra user experience feel, just a better feel for the game. Maybe get ahead faster in the game. Those things that you would probably pay for with Bitcoin. It's not a gambling game though, like a card game. It's not a gambling game. Oh, darn. What about gambling games? Are they going to come? Well, I fully see huge potential in gambling games like poker, casinos, online casinos, using Bitcoins. I think it's perfect because it's very easy transactions and you get paid out right away. So it's great. It's one of those things that's explicitly legal in many places, explicitly illegal in other places. But wherever it's legal, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do it, right? Oh, yeah, there's no reason. In fact, that's what that's another thing that we're currently pursuing as well. We're currently pursuing the casino angle as well. It's much for the reasons you just mentioned, which is it is illegal for US players to play poker, for instance. In Europe, you could play, but in the United States, you really can't. You can't go online and play for real money. I don't know if maybe there might be one or two sites, but from the last time I checked, it was illegal for US players to play. Gambling is legal in many places, like Detroit and Vegas and Reno and so on. Are they allowed to play online in vicinities, like in the county where gambling is legal? Are they allowed to play online in that location? I don't know how that would work. I think that it's not legal for them to play online, but that's from what I know about it. It's probably impossible or nearly impossible for them to prove that they are in that jurisdiction at the time they're playing, or maybe it has to do with the fact that it's connecting to servers that are crossing state lines or something like that. You go through any of the poker sites right now, like Foltilt or whatever, they will tell you, okay, well, we do not cater to US players at this time. You will have to play for free money, just pay money. So that's kind of one of the reasons why I feel like it is legal for a US player to play.  I mean, some of these things, the fact that it's legal and then you cross the county line and now it's not, a lot of it is about licensing and so on, but bizarre. So obviously, it's a technology that would work really well for that in all the jurisdictions and countries on earth where it is legal. So have you seen that, I mean, do you see that really taking off developers developing gambling games for real money, but real money in the sense of using Bitcoin as opposed to a currency issued by a government? Oh, absolutely. I fully see that being the direction that many developers are going to start going towards. I mean, it makes perfect sense. I remember when I used to play online poker, when it was legal for me to play before they cracked down, it was interesting. The whole process was, I'd put in my credit card and I'd go ahead and deposit money, but when it came time for me to get paid out, it took a while before that thing was processed and it makes sense. They have to make sure the credit card transaction was valid and only then they can really pay out, but sometimes it just took a risk and they gave you the money after like a week or something like that. I'm sorry, go ahead. But I don't see that problem, I mean, I see that problem completely going away when you deal with the currency like Bitcoin because you should be able to get paid out right away. There's no problem with that. It's like, oh, okay, you made this money, here this is it and it should be instantaneous.  It's one of those things I think of it as a blessing in disguise because the fact that the government of the United States and others can crack down on the money transmittal business of it, the MasterCard visas and the banks to say, okay, we're going to block payments for this type of industry that we don't approve of and so they're just basically cutting off the income is actually a blessing to the industry because in reality what happens is they just work around it. It's like the internet itself. It's like censorship on the internet as an analogy. Censorship on the internet as I read somewhere, it's not my quote, but censorship is viewed by the internet as an error and the internet by its nature routes So similarly, when MasterCard and Visa is shut down from processing payments to sites that the government of the United States doesn't approve of for whatever reason, even if it is legal in that city or whatever, what happens is they have to find an alternate way to do it. So Bitcoin could be that alternate way and if these sites especially, it'll probably start in places like Europe or wherever gambling is absolutely legal explicitly, they'll start a gambling site and they'll accept Bitcoin, they'll have a meeting. I'm surprised that these sites took MasterCard and Visa in the first place because MasterCard and Visa can reverse the payment six months later, same with PayPal, but with Bitcoin, they don't have that problem and then there's no transaction fees and it's gonna be much more profitable for everybody. No, I agree. This is why I feel like a decentralized currency system. It pretty much is like cash online. You can't stop somebody from giving somebody 10 bucks in real life. Why should you be able to stop them online? And that's why I feel like Bitcoin is just that. It allows you to do just that. We're talking about using Bitcoin for all sorts of multi-platform games and social games and gambling in places where that's legal and so forth. Do you see Bitcoin really grabbing the public and really taking hold like the way Facebook has? Facebook has become, obviously, it's beyond a household word. Facebook has just become an integral part of modern culture. Do you see that happening to Bitcoin fast enough? Well, first of all, do you see that happening to Bitcoin at all? And do you see it happening fast enough that it will just, everybody will be using Bitcoin. It'll be ubiquitous before these banks and governments and people who have control to lose will be able to respond. So yes, my opinion is that the more players, like gaming companies and more number of these apps that take strictly Bitcoins or they take Bitcoins, that's going to definitely increase the user base of Bitcoins. It's going to get Bitcoins spreading to more people. More people are going to start using them. And I think it's just going to reach a viral stage at that point. It's going to viral. And as a result, it's going to reach way more users than currently it has. And it's going to become more mainstream. In order for that to happen, we need way more users for Bitcoins. And I think gaming is one of them. Gambling will be another one. So it's just a matter of time, I think. But I agree with you. I actually think that it will happen. It will happen where it hits mainstream. I don't know when, but I think within this decade for sure. So yeah, obviously Angry Birds and Farmville, even if you're not into gaming, these are definitely household words that everyone knows. And as Bitcoin becomes that, the faster Bitcoin becomes a household word that everybody knows and not only knows, but actually they actually start using it as these apps develop and progress and get more and more sophisticated. Because I know there's development projects happening like 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Millions of developers are working on all kinds of amazing, exciting new applications and ways to use Bitcoin. As these roll out, faster and faster and faster, and Bitcoin really grabs the public to the point where everybody is using Bitcoin as like text messaging. Just everybody knows how to do it and they all, everybody uses it. Even if they have an objection at first, it ends up that just everybody uses it and that's just the way it's done. As that happens, if it happens quickly enough, then I just think that that's really key. If it really becomes prevalent fast enough and saturates the public's consciousness and the public psyche about how we do business in life globally, not just in one country, but absolutely around the earth. It doesn't matter if you're traveling from Canada to the US to Mexico to Europe to Asia. A Bitcoin is a Bitcoin is a Bitcoin. Whether you're traveling or just the Bitcoins are traveling, it's electronic. As it becomes so prevalent, there really won't be anybody, not only technologically, but there really won't be anybody who will be able to take it away from the people because the people will revolt. If you try to take away email and internet and text messaging and cell phones from people, there would be riots. Yeah, exactly. You take YouTube, for instance. You can't really stop people from putting up free education, for instance. You can't really stop people from doing that. You can't really stop people from giving away services for free, consulting, whatnot, on YouTube. Take BitTorrent, for instance. You can't really stop people from sharing applications, sharing software. You can't really do that. You can try, take even music sharing online. You can't really stop it. You can't really stop it if there's no central server. If everything is decentralized, you can't really stop it. As a result, I really feel like currency, if it's decentralized in this mechanism, you can't really stop it. I think it's just a matter of time before people they have full trust in Bitcoins, and then it's just a factor of just using it. There's a lot of talk about how people believe Bitcoin cannot be stopped technologically because of its peer-to-peer nature and completely decentralized, distributed, and all that. There's that, which is often discussed. At the same time, there's a whole other reason that Bitcoin, I think, can't be stopped. It's in the mind of the people. Once people have it, and they get used to it, and it's just that everybody has the Bitcoin app on their phone, everybody transacts business with Bitcoin, they say, oh, I need to send you 100 bucks, whatever, whatever, and they just send it through Bitcoin. You want to send the kids and the grandkids a Christmas present, you send them a Bitcoin. As it becomes really, really prevalent that everybody is using Bitcoin for basically everything because it's so convenient, it's more convenient than email, then as soon as everybody understands that and they start using it, I think that nobody will be able to take it away from the people because, first of all, even if they could technologically, I mean, the people would really, really object. They'll say, no, don't take away my, don't mess with my Bitcoin, don't mess with my internet, don't mess with my cell phone and my text messaging and my email, and don't mess with my Bitcoin. Yeah, no, I very particularly agree with that statement. And another thing that also helps is, as games, for instance, as they get more and more viral, as more and more people start seeing the use of Bitcoins, it gets into our everyday lives. There's that huge trust established, and I just see it being a matter of time for people really start bracing Bitcoins. But every new thing that comes into using Bitcoins, that helps. And it helps everyone in a very symbiotic way. So it's a really cool time to be feeling the Bitcoins right now. Yeah, I think it's a really cool time to be alive with just all the advances in the internet and the technologies and the phones and the Bitcoin.  It's so, so cool. I want to take a break really quick though and again thank our sponsors. 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If you look at the actual value, I think it was somebody said it was 1748 right before the crash. And, you know, it's like about 17 right now. It really has almost had negligible effect on the value. I mean, it hasn't been doubling in value every week like it had been, but it really has barely gone down in value in spite of what would normally, like imagine if there were one bank in the world that had 90% of the online exchanges, right? Like what would that be? Like New York Stock Exchange? Imagine if the New York Stock Exchange was hacked and the price of all the stocks went to one penny, right? And the private credentials of every single person on the Stock Exchange were disclosed. I mean, you think that would have an effect on the US dollar and the value? It's just shocking that it hardly affected the value of Bitcoin at all. Reporters are not even talking about how proven how stable the Bitcoin value has been in spite of this hack. Yeah, it is actually pretty cool that it managed to stay stable. That shows that there's a lot of users, there's a lot of people backing Bitcoins right now, which is very, very good for Bitcoin. It spells for a very solid future, I think. Yeah, I think the, you know, the, like I say, the, I guess the fearful investors who are just dabbling in it, they immediately panic sell at the first sign of anything, and they probably are the only ones who got out. But the intelligent, I mean, I guess I would say the thoughtful investors who've really researched and understand Bitcoin are just saying, wow, Bitcoin's on sale, it's a good time to buy. They just realize that the big, you know, the value of Bitcoin is really in the future. It's not in the, you know, it's not in the day trading. You definitely, I don't recommend day trading in anything, but especially not Bitcoin. But if you're going to hold it long term, like a month, you know, I tell my friends, if you're going to buy Bitcoin, don't look at the price every day, just look at it once a month. You'll be very happy overall so far. That would be true. Yeah. I mean, it spiked at $30, but, you know, give me a break. I mean, if you look at the value, just, you know, the first of every single month, that would be an interesting chart. Somebody create that, the value of a Bitcoin on the first of every month, that's the chart you want to look at, not every day, not every minute. So, you know what, we're out of time, Neil. I talk too much. I need to let you talk more. We're going to have you on again because I think this is really fun. It's a, the whole gaming industry is massive, massive industry. And I think Bitcoin is going to play a real key role in it. And so are you.  Maybe this long holiday weekend I'll actually get a chance to do something fun. And I'll definitely check it out. 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