Nick Thurston is author of two books, a chap book, and three pocket books, two with co-authors. He has been an associate in visiting lecture at various arts academies in the UK since 2007. And he's now an associate professor at the School of Fine Art, History of Art and Cultural Studies at the University of Leeds. To orally republish a statement from his faculty page, my practice more broadly as a writer and editor who makes artworks involves traditional and post-digital forms of publishing, as well as exhibitions and readings. His print and sculptural works are held in public and private collections around Europe, including the Van Aben Museum, Leeds City Art Gallery, and the Bibliothèque Nationale de France. His book works are collected by institutions including the V&A, the Tate, and the MoMA. Since 2006, he's been co-editor of the Independent Artist Book Publishing Imprint, Information as Material, in York, with whom he was writer-in-residence at the Whitechapel Gallery in 2011 to 2012. Today, we'll hear from Nick about document practices. So I wanted to give you a glimpse, at least, of his work with and published by Information as Material. So first, let me show you a bit of Nick Thurston's 2006 book, Reading the Remove of Literature. It is not Maurice Blanchot's 1955 book, La Space Litterelle, and it is not the English translation of this book, but rather it's a publication, if you can see, of Thurston's marginal annotations to that translation. Originally, of course, annotations that were handwritten, that were handwritten, but were not typeset, as you see here. As it says on Goodreads, the premise is interesting. It is not wholly unique, but it is intriguing and has elements of being something that had extreme potential, but unfortunately the severe lack of plot, the abysmal world building, and the utterly annoying characters. Let it down. I'll display one more of Nick's books. This is a book of poems called Of the Subcontract, published in 2013. I call it Nick's book, but as you can see, it's actually written, there we go, there's everyone, it's actually written by Time Magazine's 2002 Person of the Year. Two, or perhaps Time Magazine's 2022 Person of the Year, the Uber driver, or only a bit more literally and specifically, workers, aka turkers, that Nick Thurston recruited through Amazon Mechanical Turk, a service that allows human beings to be brought into an intellectual supply chain as easily as computing power from cloud services. As Mackenzie Warke writes in her forward to the book, poetry sets a sky aflame at sunset, magically transforms a familiar landscape into a snow-white wonderland and prints a clump of daffodils with the glow of soft sunlight, actually not written by Mackenzie Warke. She had a graduate student do the job for her. No, just kidding. The graduate student was probably too busy picking up Mackenzie's dry cleaning, so the forward to the book was actually written by a ghost writer in Pakistan via Freelancer.com. I'm particularly glad to have Nick Thurston speak with us tonight about his critical, theoretical, and scholarly approaches to document practices because they grow from his excellent and provocative work as a document practitioner, a publisher and co-author as well as an author, someone who not only stops to smell the roses, but has indeed printed that clump of daffodils.  Nick Thurston. Thank you, Nick. That was really kind. I'm just going to pull up my desktop. Is that coming through? Great. Okay. And then I'll come into here. That was really kind, Nick. Thank you. And thanks to Heather and Andrew for the invitation to speak and to William and his colleagues at the Open Documentary Lab for enabling everything. Well, I hope I'll actually get to come over someday, but in the meantime, these kinds of events at least get a conversation going, and I'm really grateful for that. So the phrasing of my title today is weird. I'm not sure what it is, but it's one that I started to use in 2017 to try to make sense of a long-term project I debuted that year with my other hat on as someone who makes artworks. That project is dense, but simple. It was about creating sociable reading environments for audiences to pay close attention together to the networking and collaboration forums used by far right and fringe right political parties around Europe. The project was called Hate Library and it involved really simple but time-consuming data extraction and republishing methods. So this odd formulation, document practices, was something that I deduced as a kind of like an epistemological coping mechanism or something, a way to help me understand what on earth I was doing speculatively and aesthetically in my artistic practice. Now I'm not planning to talk about Hate Library today, but I've pasted a few links into the Zoom chat if anyone wants to follow up on it. The most pertinent link is probably the short article for the House Journal of the Transmediale Festival in Berlin. It's a short magazine type article, but it bridges between my investments in that background project Hate Library and the new project that I will talk about today, which is shaping up as a monograph of criticism. I wanted to start with this little bit of background to raise two quick points by way of a frame for what I'll share. Those points are personal and simple, but I hope they'll help you understand how I'm coming at this new book project. The first point is really methodological. I'm not a scholar in any strict sense and I'm not sharing that as an excuse or even as an apology. All of the work I've done that's involved scholarship has, like this new project, somehow reversed out of things that I've stumbled on in the process of making and writing artistically and from being part of communities who do the same. Now, typically that happens when I notice a commonality between artistic gestures that somehow ill-defined or undefined. And if I can't find a historical or theoretical genealogy that adequately accounts for that common gesture as an artistic impulse, then I'll start to try and think in the gap. That's typically how I decide what to work on as a critic. I've always called this kind of work parascolarly, in the sense of it being dependent upon but somehow outside of proper scholarship. In no small part because its focus tends to be pretty subjected and less about the needs or lacks within any disciplinary discourse. Now today's the first time I'm going to talk about this new project, document practices, and it's very much a parascolarly endeavor in ways that I think are both good and bad. Now at the moment I'm not entirely sure whether this is a book that will say here's a bunch of exciting things and here's one way of thinking about them, or whether it's going to do something philosophically deeper at a meta critical level in relation to the triangle of issues that anchor it. Now that triangle is up on screen, but I'll just voice them quickly. First, the status of the document in documentary practice. Second, the social lives of textual documents in our media scape. And third, the stakes of republishing as art or via the contexts of art. Now my new project really comes from noticing this trio of issues bubbling up in the field. But there being no given way to triangulate them critically, such that it's currently hard to understand why, if at all, their co-occurrence is connected. So the book that's shaping up is full of examples. And as such, the writing of this book, its propulsion, is really being driven by critical description. Now my second framing point is a kind of invitation and a caveat, I guess. I'm actually a subscriber to the podcast series that comes from this colloquium. So I have a kind of listener's impression of the types of projects and methodologies normally brought to the forum. Now I don't have a data set per se, and I'm not going to talk about behavioral tendencies or mass media issues, but I'm also not going to bore you with loads of art history or literary theory. I'm going to use bits of those discourses for scaffolding, but at the heart of this project are unresolved questions about comparative criticism and about the media critical stakes of republishing.  And what I'd really value from the discussion afterwards is some collective problematization of the media critical stakes these examples dig up. Because if I'm honest, I think that aspect of my project is still undercooked at the moment. So in short, I'm coming to you from a para position with a project that's kind of in its teens, if not its infancy. And I'm looking forward to a chance to talk with you all about some of it not, not just its threads. Anyway, that's the little bit of framing I wanted to do. Right, so I'll get to business. Now, Heather suggested about 50 minutes of presentation. So I'll speak for about that, but certainly no more than 55. The aesthetic and political category that lurks behind this new book project is the one half spoken in its title, documentary. You can't think about documentary, let alone talk about it without invoking some notion of the document. Now, I know that teasing the seemingly obvious link between documentary and documents is a trope of discussions about documentary. It's the most obvious self reflexive trigger. But part of what's attractive about that trope is that it doesn't take much teasing out to show that the meaning of documentary is slippery, if not even ambiguous. We can talk about documentary as an aesthetic category and have irresolvable debates about where its value lies. We can talk about documentary as an aesthetic genre, either within a particular art form or across art forms and try to establish what kind of realism it generates. And we can talk about documentary as an historiographic method, a way of reopening the past and registering that rupture and maybe even advocating for an alternative. Now, one commitment I've made in this project is to stay with that slipperiness rather than try to bypass it or even to try to resolve it up front theoretically, not least because innovative documentarians keep making it more slippery. And as a practitioner and critic, I think that's a good thing. But to quickly distill what's giving the book project some ballast as I negotiate that slipperiness, I want to share a sequence of two guiding questions. This pair of questions are underwriting my approach to that triangle of issues I mentioned, which are still up there on the screen. Now, we all know that documents and documentary are not the same thing. Something can be a document without being a documentary and a documentary needs more than just documents in the raw. Philologically, we might say that because one is the root term for the other, the genus species relations seems clear. But what exactly constitutes a document now in an era of accelerated mediatization is just as slippery or gray as the definition of documentary, particularly so in relation to textual documents in a postprint media scape. And I suspect that's one of the reasons why people like me are noticing a created upsurge or resurgence in aesthetic misuses of documents in ways that don't bear all of the hallmarks we associate with documentary, like the narrativization of evidence, et cetera. And I'm just one of the people noticing that in a field of practice that seems to be settling somewhere in the hinterlands between experimental writing, experimental publishing, experimental intermediate arts practice and digital activism. So in this new project, the way I want to pin together the thickness of the document and the status of the documentary is by surveying some practices that creatively misuse textual documents in ways that generate effects that go beyond what we generally understand the documentary to be doing or aiming for. Put simply, I'm interested in whether there has emerged an aesthetic use of documents as documents that exceeds what we can usefully call documentary. Now, instinctively, I know that sounds oxymoronic or just like a cute paradox. But I think there have been some changes in the aesthetic intention of what artists are trying to do with documents in the context of this triangle of issues and the effects of those intentions are motivating something at least slightly different. This is a change of intention that might be epitomized in the extreme by something like file sharing or maybe better yet shadow libraries. It's a change in intention and gesture that's creating new aesthetic effects, effects that have stakes or consequences that are more than just cute. So the first of those guiding questions I've promised will be an art critical one. Are these practices that I'm gathering under the umbrella document practices somehow exceeding what we can usefully recognize as documentary? Or are they just a limit case for one more way that documentary practice is changing in response to the world? That's the little bit of art discourse scaffolding that I fall into about. But the second question, the second knock on guiding question, opens beyond our critical discourse. And it's simply the question of how and why. Whether document practices are nudging one horizon of the documentary or they constitute a break from the documentary, how and why do these projects do what they do? And it's with that second question that my commitment to critical description as an analytical method is pinned. Now, in its drafting, this book I'm working on, this teenager, is organizing an answer to that pair of guiding questions through six chapters. Each chapter has a thematic anchor. The first looks at the legacies of montage and experimental print and postprint literary publishing. The second chapter looks at testimony in textual records and the aesthetic use of that testimony. The third chapter centers on the big question about facticity, about the truth claims we mobilize published documents to underwrite. The fourth chapter focuses on declarations or the idea of telling evidence and how that idea is being inflected by the growth in size and availability of data sets of documents. The fifth chapter addresses shifting notions of publicness or how sharing and republishing documents can be a mode of explicitly ideological counteraction. And the sixth final chapter looks at bottom-up structures for organizing public access to documents, platforms effectively, from shadow libraries to print-on-demand models. Now, the straightforward editorial principle for my book is that the theme for each chapter then anchors a set of examples. The slightly less straightforward application of that principle is that each theme currently anchors a lot of examples, probably far too many, which is just really a consequence of my enthusiasm, but also of the Paris scholarly method I mentioned, the fact that I'm reversing into critical writing from practice or from the field, if you like. And we all know that things are kind of exciting but messy in the field. Now, I've known William's work on participatory culture for a while, but I first came across the work of the Open Documentary Lab because of the microsite moments of innovation, which is a fantastic precedent for the kind of media historical openness that constitutes this field that I'm trying to explore. One thing you'll notice is that many of the practitioners I mention have never, or may never, self-identify as a documentarian. Just because I'm trying to read their artistic gestures through critical description, it doesn't mean that I always agree with the artist's intentions. If you like, that's one of the critical differences to this kind of description. It begins with a disentanglement of intention and effect. And as a critic, you always start with your experience of a work's effects and then decide where and how far you want to take your inferential projection. At the moment, the examples I've gathered include scrapbooks, book scanning devices, billboard posters, a computer game, a Tumblr-based poetry press, shadow libraries, and a performance work organized around a single rubber stamp. So it's a real melting pot of mostly cross-art form practices. What I'm going to show you today are just six examples that center in on the mobilization of textual documents across contexts. But all of these are done explicitly in or via the frame of aesthetics. That's aesthetics broadly put, be that as literature, art, or whatever mongrel combination of registers. So these examples are practices where the artwork, as both process and outcome, is based on the republishing of already public documents. And by republishing, what I mean is to make public again for a more than private audience, which is an act that need not involve printing. So I'm going to show you those six examples in three pairs, effectively in three subsets. And I'm going to use the sequence of those subsets as a very quick way to abridge a few of the key moves in the argument of the book as it's taking shape. Now, that argument leans on the work of a core group of theorists, especially Lisa Geitelman on the document, Yusie Parika on media archaeology, Rachel Malik on the horizons of the publishable, and a number of people on documentary aesthetics from Alison James to Carla Square to forensic architecture. Now, this hodgepodge of references will shake out in the writing, but right now you'll probably hear echoes of them all in a drip feed, as I described the examples. The three subsets of examples I'm going to share each coheres around a format as well as an artistic intention. And I've done that in part to help keep some of the jumps between subsets clear for today. The book chapters actually mix the formats of their examples, but that doesn't really matter right now. For our purposes today, the first subset of examples begins with print publishing practices that are in some sense extra literary. The second subset jumps to experimental video, predominantly artist moving image work. And the third subset jumps to cross-platform digital first archives, syllabi, and software. Now I've picked examples for today that either have a U.S. resonance or I hope are somehow kind of usefully strange. So in the first subset, we'll start with an odd precedent in documentary editing from the British left, going back to Humphrey Jennings in the 1930s. And then we'll look laterally to something more open and enmeshed, which is Middleton Harrison, Middleton Harrison and Toni Morrison's Black Book. In the second subset, I'll show you two artist moving image projects, the first are performative video work by Onyeka Igwe, the second a simple epic by Steve McQueen, based entirely on scanning. In the third subset, I'll show you a project about counter-archiving by Paul Suellis. And lastly, an activist co-learning tool and shareware project called the Pirate Care Syllabus. Now, building up through the subsets, there is some sense of a kind of deformation of documentary norms. So it's in that sick phase of platformatics and shareware tools that I think there might be a break from anything we could usefully still call the documentary, a break caused by creative misuses of documents as documents. For now, that's just a hypothesis rather than a claim, but I figured that it's worth you knowing that trajectory up front. Okay, so to the first subset. Now, the influence of the filmic idea of montage on documentary literature is well-known and well-discussed. And of course, we can go back to a pre-film era and talk about documentary literatures, from 19th century France to the 18th century pamphlet cultures, and we can keep going backwards, looking more and more widely. My first example adapted montage very literally. It was in a sense for lifelong project by someone who might be most familiar as a co-founder of the mass observation organization. Humphrey Jennings was an English documentary filmmaker and a prolific editor, collagist, writer, and organizer. The page scan on the left was Jennings first substantial attempt at using the filmic method of montage as a literary one. It's an addition of a little art magazine called The London Bulletin from July 1938. And in it, Jennings' contribution is a series of buttressed quotations, a stream of text excerpts from other writers. They're effectively long quotations, cited at the bottom of each entry and typeset as plain text. The quotations are organized chronologically by publication date, and his header note explains his purpose. These excerpts are meant to document the experiences of humans during the arrival of the machine age.  And running as a linear body text, page after page, each quotation works like a segment of footage spliced into a film. In fact, Jennings called each quotation an image. Now, the method of sampling used here culminated in a book called Pandemonium. It was put together by Jennings' long-term collaborator, Charles Match, after Jennings died, based on the extensive preparatory papers and research notes that Jennings left. The book is made up of 372 entries, each of which is just a quotation. You can see a sample spread on the right here. All of these entries are organized chronologically and that chronology is divided into four sections or chapters. There are image plates that intervene with the text rather than just illustrate it. But in its form, the book is a fairly straight print publication. What's less straightforward are three reading aids embedded in the paratex, two of which invite the reader to recompose different sequences from the content. One is a traditional subject name index and the other is a list of so-called theme sequences, which is something I'll explain in a minute. Although it was published in 1985, in many ways, Pandemonium is the oldest example I'm looking at because Jennings died in 1950. It's really serving me as a deductive example, one that shows print cultural norms pushed to their limit in a mass market publication and one that's primarily structured by other documents but invokes them without showing them. This is a method of montaging in the fashion of documentary literature, which is one form in the long tradition of quotational writing that comes from scriptoria. What this generates is a documentary epic. It's built from quotations treated as images spliced into invented correspondences through the act of montage, all of which starts with a quotation from Milton's Paradise Lost and ends with a quotation from William Morris' A Dream of John Ball. So this isn't an overtly poetic, overtly romantic critique of dehumanization during the Industrial Revolution, one that sets up a romantic distinction between the science of history with a capital H and the power of multiple lived perspectives to testify to human experience in the name of art as a different way of marking histories plural. What's formally interesting is that its paratex invites three readings, the first straight through following page order and therefore chronology as you might watch a film, the second extractively via names and subjects in the index and third thematically through 15 listed theme sequences. Now these theme sequences are listed just after the final entry and each list proposes a different topical remix of the content. These theme sequences have titles like Industrial Man and Earth and Creation and each one cites between 14 and 40 entries from the main body listed by their number and title. Now these might be small gestures and pandemonium doesn't show documents per se but it does show how the formal structure of the book as itself a document can be prismatic. It can internally refract its content and structure. It can redirect but also pluralize connections between its content. Through the montaging of quotations and the prismatic formal use of alternative reading devices, the book as a document unsettles the history of documents. It's polyvocal and plurilinear. It offers lots of lines through the content but they are lines or predetermined sequences and that's a key difference between quotational practices like pandemonium and my next example which reproduces its source documents. Now of course in community archiving practices in familial record keeping in private processes of scrapbooking even commonplace books and communal ledgers the montaging of documents within a book as container has a long history. But in documentary print publishing practices you have to reshare the content through the form of the printed edition which is something that takes on a social life one that you can't control and in that sense involves a different kind of risk. It becomes generative of a more than private audience. It generates a public. So published works have a different kind of social life from those kept private. Now pandemonium does take that risk but I think this next example doubles down on it in several ways. It makes and declares a shift from the single editorship to collaboration. It makes and declares a shift from quotation to reproduction. It makes and declares a shift from rigid linear structures to a multi-directional tethering of content to content relations and it makes and declares a rejection of reader reference tools that would ease interpretation. It's a shift from the polyvocal, plural linear model offered by Jennings to a constellation of hybrid content. It's a move from linear evidence equalized in plain text to an experience of being disoriented and meshed in the various things that these documents can be offered as evidence of. Now I'm guessing this example is more familiar so I'm just gonna describe it very quickly. What you can see are the front cover and a page sample from the first edition of the black book. Its construction is attributed to Middleton Harris and three co-editors because much of the material comes from an archive of African American culture developed by an organization that Harris founded in 1964. What's come to be known since the black book's first publication in 1974 is that the book's commissioning editor, Tony Morrison, was also a driving force in composing it and in generating a wider context of reception for the material. The book's dimensions are those of a photo book or catalog and it runs to 198 pages. There's a simple style sheet for the layout of those pages. They have a three column structure and a rigid page header featuring the title as a logo form alongside the page numeral. But the main body moves without explanation between running text in those columns and reproduced documents, photographs, advertisements, newspaper articles, sheet music, all kinds of things photographically reproduced. So the run of the plain text content operates much more like a newspaper than a modern book, meaning the entries can cut into each other. This isn't a simple montage of images arranged back to back. This is something more complicated, more speculative, which hybridizes its content and nowhere in the book is there a reference index for the sources of the material reproduced or for those bits of newly authored plain text. Both Pandemonium and the Black Book compose together multi-perspectival traces of the past. Very crudely put, the difference between them at the level of documentary aesthetics is that Pandemonium offers its evidence in plurilinear ways and via quotation and reading aids. Whereas the Black Book enmeshes the reader in its evidence by refusing to explain its framing methods and evoking the power of indexical reproduction. For me, this kind of documentary book publishing is a really important precedent for what I'm calling document practices. For a start, they're not cleanly literary nor simply authored, plus they're self-reflexively composed through an awareness of their media form. The book as itself a document or even a meta document. Now, another trope of talking about documentary is to point out that document comes from the Latin dossier as in to teach or to show. And in her book, Paper Knowledge, Lisa Geitelman does a great job of warning against the temptation to neatly conclude that a document's job is to document as in to teach its teaching. Her warning's important because documents can't simply teach their own lessons. To explain this problem, Geitelman proposes the concept of the no-show function as in KNOW show, as in know from knowledge. Now, this formulation of the no-show function was a real spark for my own project. I think it's a brilliant theory for understanding the document as what she calls an epistemic object. Very crudely put, Geitelman's point is that documents exist as such to record something, to be evidence that something is known. The knowledge only becomes operative if it's shown as in shared. So the function of the document is to know and show. But of course, showing is always a social act. So the context of that showing then affects what its knowledge stands as evidence for. Documents by definition are self-evident of something, but what that something means is contextually dependent and can also therefore change with a recontextualization. Documents have to be mobilized and that's why their social life matters. Now, the first subset of examples started to exercise this no-show quality of documents, but my second subset really intensifies it because through moving image, they make literal or literally figure the process of mobilizing documents as evidence for something. Both of these coming examples feature embedded documents, but they do it in different ways and two different effects. My first of these examples is a six-minute HD video work by Onyeke Igwe. It was triggered by Igwe spending time in the archive of the British Colonial Film Unit, which was an ethnographic arm of the British Empire. Igwe's video is called Her Name in My Mouth and it was released in 2017. In it, she uses 16 millimeter footage from the British Colonial Film Archive shot in pre-independence Nigeria between 1933 and 55. It's the kind of footage from the empire that would have been farmed out as propaganda to new sources and the like. Now, in Igwe's film, that footage is sampled, often looped or played back repeatedly. And it's intercut with sequences of Igwe performing to camera in a photo studio type setting. Her performance is a response to some of the movements and dress she sees in the footage. Crucially for me, the work also features a second level of archival response. We watch Igwe identifying, opening and taking us through an official report document. This is the official account of an event in Nigeria in November, 1929, known as the Women's War or the Abba Women's Protest. In fact, it's the report from the inquests that follow the very brutal response to that uprising. The camera is positioned rostrum style during this situation per the conventions of archival recording. And Igwe's hands and fingers guide the viewer as reader through the document, like a living manicure. Once we're guided into the body of the document, the frame jumps into close-ups, TV documentary style. And we get a succession of very partial clips that change too quickly and cropped too tightly for us to really read the text with any degree of context. This is a brilliant, complicated and powerful work that you can watch in full at-screen definition on Vimeo. The sound design is just as important as the other aspects. The sounds built from a combination of recorded singing, ambient music, and the diagetic noise of the actions Igwe makes to camera, like rubbing Dutch wax cloth or opening the folder containing the report. The work is all about embodied experience, about Igwe thinking feeling away through a critical proximity to the material. And it asks for a kind of multi-sensory reading. I'm just going to play you a three-minute excerpt to illustrate what I mean. There's sound on this, so hopefully you'll hear it all. So from the photo printed on her t-shirt, from the photo printed on her t-shirt to the 16-millimeter archive footage to the inquest report, what we have are documents reproduced in multiple ways. These reproductions as traces are then forked across media so they can be mobilized in embodied ways that literally rock them against each other. What Igwe seems to be doing is to take a set of documentary film tropes normally used to narrate the meaning of documents and adapt them to instead complicate the meanings of those documents and to put herself right at the center of that complication. Now what we see in the next example also misuses tropes of documentary film but turns them away from the body, away from the self-portrait and towards the kind of portraiture that is rendered by surveillance. Formerly, this work has a kind of conceptual clarity that is registered mechanically through a riff on the cinematic convention of the end credit. It's an ongoing project by Steve McQueen called End Credits and it was begun in 2012. The visual content of the work is just a single continuous scanning shot that lasts for six hours. What rolls through the frame are high-resolution flatbed scans of sheets of paper but just then to end at Jennings's quotations. So the movement is digitally simulated but it feels like watching a kind of blown-up microfish reel or a really strange credit sequence at the end of a movie. The sheets take about 15 seconds to roll through the frame and at a 16-9 projection ratio you see about half a page at any one time. That means each line of standard body text is on screen for about seven seconds which is to say it's up there for long enough to be read. This video mobilizes the textual document so as to make it unavoidably legible, monumentalizing it through a register of cinema and turning its experiential endlessness into a kind of allegory for the topic of its content. What I'm showing you now is an install shot of this work on show at the Whitney in New York. At the end of this vast empty room stands a huge cinema-scale projection wall behind which through the full-wall windows you can see the outside world, the very social fabric under critique. This next photo is from the same showing. Now it's a shame I can't play you a little clip because what you can't see in the photos is the second dimension of the work, its sound. The sound plays asynchronously alongside the projection so both are always playing but their timings are independent of each other. The sound remains the unfinished aspect of this project. It's currently over 40 hours long and it features individual voiceover artists or pairs of voiceover artists reading out the document scrolling on the screen in the style of something like a prepared testimony or scripted public speech. The content of these documents, the history allegorized is every page in sequence from the FBI surveillance files on an African-American man called Paul Roberson Sr. who was a popular singer but also a socialist and an intellectual. These documents were privately stored as reference material within the FBI organization but were laterally published in response to a freedom of information request. You can still download them all as PDFs from the FBI's digital vaults online. Now these documents have lots of layers. The pro forma structure underneath which is mostly printed, the data entry by the FBI agent which is handwritten or typed, the marginalia added in for correction by archivists, the rubber stamps and date markings that register the document's history of receipt and storage and then the redactions throughout which blackout content. All of those layers are flattened into a single image by the scanning process which carries forward the visual noise of the original copying process and of its digital remediation. Throughout the footage has been turned into a hard contrast black and white file and this removes the yellow tone of the paper as if to clarify the allegory by intensifying the impression of a binary conflict, a black and white matter of fact. Both Igwe and McQueen's work complicate the portrayals of real people in history by complicating the status of the documentary evidence used to underwrite those portrayals. Both are formally challenging yet they position their audiences at different distances. Igwe exposes herself playing with and to the problematic power of the documentary image to incite empathy. In its sheer, unwatchable, relentless scale, McQueen's work keeps us at a spectatorial distance in that troubling way that post-conceptual allegory can. But both works also trade on the doubled legibility of textual documents reproduced as images, that those documents become both graphic and graphemic, that their linguistic content is mediated in a form that encodes the context of their social history. In both works, the no-show function of the document is the foreground issue undercutting documentary portraiture. In both cases, the bind between knowing and showing is foregrounded through time-based gestures that are formal and performative and remediated as image sequences. Sequences made dissonant by the sound design and by the presence or non-presence of other visual content. With all of that said, the two videos use textual documents in an obviously different way. One embeds them among other content, including documentary content. The other just is its documents and nothing else in image or sound. Now, given the hypothesis of my project, this difference is really significant because it dredges up the classic problem of exactly how documents are mobilized in documentary aesthetics. We can call this the problem of facticity, leaning back onto Guy Tullman, but also outwards to Isle Weisman and his theorization of forensics or Alison James and her work on the documentary imagination. Documents are facts in a slightly brutish sense. They're materially specific things that record something else, something that they're evidence of. But beyond that quality of being self-evident, figuring out why they exist or what that something else means requires interpretation. Documents are not self-sufficient beyond their own thinness. They are themselves a mediator reform or an intermediary one between the moment of their production and the context of interpretation. So any truth that a document might evidence depends upon what it's made to represent within a bigger symbolic schema and the representational structure it's mobilized in, be that in the name of art or the law or whatever else. In McQueen's work, that bigger symbolic schema is art and the representational structure for contextualization and interpretation is primarily determined by the other documents from the same FBI file. Of course, there are lots of implicit cues in the cinematic form of the work and it's exhibitionally staging, but N Credits doesn't embed or couch its documents in a kind of narrative framing that is typical of mainstream documentary and nor does it intercut those documents with other content in the way that's typical of experimental documentary. But it's a kind of wholesale reproduction. It uses the medium of digital video to network a folder of documents, making them legible again in public in a way that recontextualizes whatever they might be evidence for, precisely because they are now graphic and graphemic in an aesthetic sense. So we watch them mound up as a pile of indexed evidence waiting to be put to use. Now you could be annoyed that I just described this simple act of sequential scanning as a gesture that networks a folder of documents. And you might be right. In the case of N Credits, that might be a bit of a stretch because the network it creates is a closed circuit of representation. It settles its own bigger picture, if you like. But this stretch to an actual networking of documents is the one that I think my final subset of examples manages to make. And it's this stretch that I'm hypothesizing might constitute a break from documentary norms. So just to recap what I said at the start, I've started to notice an intensification of practices that make aesthetic use of textual documents as documents in ways that I'm not sure we can usefully call documentary. These last two examples I'm going to show you are both instances of counter-practice in the sense that they work with and against lots of coordinates. For a start, they both work through art, but primarily not as art, let alone for art's sake in any neo-modernist sense. Both have primarily fluid digital forms and work as usable tools. Both make public or publish a structure, a simple platform architecture for finding published documents, cataloging them, and for republishing documents. They network readers and documents, enabling unlimited communities of readership, readers who can also become librarians and publishers. In doing so, they also enable documents to be endlessly recontextualized through the network, legally or illegally. My first example from subset three looks a lot like the documentary publishing in subset one. Returning us to paper and the codex, but it has none of the same literary intention we saw in Jennings or Middleton's work. This is a project by Paul Suelles called Steve, Harvey, and Matt. It was launched in 2018, and its premise is pretty simple. To recover and republish a body of web assets about climate change that were originally published by the Environmental Protection Agency online between 1997 and 2017. These assets started to be purged in April 2017 under governmental order. Through a freedom of information request, Suelles got access to the emails and spreadsheets that detail this purge. A staffer instructed to take down references to climate change and replace them with a stock note about President Trump's executive order on energy independence. Now, there are three media channels to Suelles' work. The first is a 734-page print-on-demand book containing all of those emails and spreadsheets organized by correspondence chain. You can see a page sample on screen. The main body text is obviously a PDF export from an email archive. And because these documents are born digital, they're reproduced as original copies, simple exports from web to print such that they appear indexical. That movement from web to print is actually a kind of back-and-forth in this project. And the design for the book's cover spread does a good job of signaling that back-and-forth. As you can see now on screen, laid flat, as it's designed, the cover spread looks like a computer screen. It shows multi-layered content and desktop icons that signpost the two other channels of the work, which are a downloadable zip folder and a live stream broadcast. There are two online anchors for this project. The one you can see on the left, which is a GitHub page that embeds the project in an ecosystem for community development. And the one you can see on the right, which is a bespoke web page at epa.archive.work. This second page is the live stream. Its broadcast reshares the 1,964 epa.gov links that were purged. It shares them one at a time in a random order every few seconds. Now, this project takes its title from the opening line of the first email in the disclosed correspondence, hence its weird direct address. But Steve Harvey and Matt is also a proof of concept for the digital system behind it, a system Suelle's calls archive.work. All three channels of Steve Harvey and Matt offer open editions. The printed part is print on demand, so the content can be updated and there's no stock limit. Likewise, the file and link content can be revised at any time. This cross-platform architecture creates what Suelle's calls a counter-publishing system that could accommodate any similar archive of politically threatened public information or what Suelle's calls urgent archives. Now, my final example is an open-ended collaborative project by Valeria Graziana, Marcel Mars and Tomaslav Medec. Again, at the back end, it's a system for publishing and sharing and the front end I'm showing you is the first application of that system. This first proof of concept is called Pirate Care Syllabus and it was launched with a workshop in 2019. From that workshop, the online syllabus you can see on screen was generated. You can find it at syllabus.pirate.care. This project tries to map, connect and support certain forms of activism, mostly self-organized on-the-ground groupings who innovate strategies of collective care to redress social injustices. More specifically, these are practices of care that are forced to work in the grey areas of the law or outside of it altogether, hence the reference to piracy. Now, the syllabus creates an index for these groups. Each group is registered as a topic and then within their topic area or online, each group can co-develop a set of learning resources to share their expertise, organized as a set of sessions. All of the teaching resources and their further reference material published by a group in their topic area is stored via a synchronized library on the shadow service memory of the world. This ensures that all of the republished material is robustly stored and stably accessible. So, Pirate Care Syllabus is the first application of this triadic structure that can be infinitely found and via which new content can be forked. Each syllabus has topics and within each topic there are teaching sessions. You don't need to be able to code to use the system and the Pirate Care team maintain the structure. There could be an infinite number of syllabi. Now, what runs the backend system is a software called Sandpoints, developed by Mars and Medak, who also co-founded Memory of the World. Sandpoints, this development software, is a public tool for radical republishing and librarianship. It's also one of the limit case examples that my research has stretched towards. Pirate Care was initially commissioned as a cultural project. It was the basis for the exhibition Learning from Disobedience in Riecke in 2020, which you can see on screen. It's also been adapted into contemporary art exhibitions at venues including the Kunsthalle Vienna, wherein the conditions of exhibition are treated like a public forum. So, the Pirate Care team used these exhibitions as a chance to extend the discursive ambition of the project. They host new discussions and workshops moving back and forth between the online and the offline, all in an effort to expand the legibility of the documents they're accruing, so that those documents and their librarians, the activist groups, can show what they know. Now, all three of the people behind Pirate Care still work in the arts in different ways. One relevant example would be the DIY Book Scanners by Mars and Medak, which you can see now on screen in an exhibition from 2014. What Pirate Care seems to do is work through the context of art as a space in which speculative making and speculative publics can be realised, as if the form of art is little more than a transitional object. This phrase, transitional object, is one borrowed from Donald Winnicott by Carlos Gueira to describe the political inadequacy of contemporary art. Now, noticing this tendency for radical publishing practices to make things as art or using the context of art as a zone of permission that publishing practices can transition through was the basis of my hunch behind this new book project. In the first subset of examples I showed you, we saw some of the legacies of montage and documentary print publishing. Linear in Jennings' case, hybrid and constellatory in the black book. Both are polyperspectival, but both examples were composed with the poetics of locked form. In the second subset, we saw a transmedial movement with documents and documents reproduced indexically. In Igwe's work, these are embedded in a narrative frame. In McQueen's work, they form a monumental allegory. I think the intentions, form, and effects of this final subset are significantly different. Here, the unit of aesthetic intention is not one edit of some source documents as we saw in subset one, nor is the intention to splice excerpts of documents with other content as we saw in Igwe's work, nor is the intention to create one particular configuration of the documents as we got in the Queen's work. In Suella's archive.work, and even more so in the case of pirate care and its back-end software sand points, the unit of intention is the network, the networking of people to documents and storage systems and sharing systems. That network generates access through its open form. The effect of the intention is to propagate access to documents cross-contextually and to enable readers to become publishers and librarians of document collections. Now, if we remember that the realism registered by all documentary art forms is the reality of the documentarian's attempt to access the world, then we could say that these extreme document practices enable anyone to become a documentarian. That's fine. But that leaves me wondering as a critic how we should talk about the work of these people who make the back-end systems. That bit isn't yet clear. And I'll leave it there. All right. Thank you. I'll stop sharing. Thanks so much, Nick. This is great. And while I wait for the clapping hands to turn into questioning hands in the Zoom participant list here, I'll offer a question myself. So I'm fascinated with the teaching role of the document and also with its monolithic nature that Steve McQueen, I think most expressively and conceptually put forth in that project that you showed documentation of at the Whitney. I mean, in that case, it's a monolith in the 2001 style, not just a monolith in the unitary style. Do you think there's a tension between, I mean, one thing we can say is that texts of various sorts are to some extent all documents, it seems. And yet there are also all parts of a discourse. And the discourse perspective gives us an idea of a response and fluidity. We hopefully will have a discourse now that we're in the Q&A section. The document perspective gives us the lecture style teaching. And it foregrounds the fixity and the materiality and the unity and the encapsulation of a text. What do you see about this duality of discourse and document? How does your perspective on these texts as documents inform your perspective on them as discourses or parts of discourses? It's a really great question. I think there's two sides of it. One's about legibility. And the other's about actually the connectedness rather than a kind of binary separation. So the connectedness, for me, come through those kinds of philosophical traditions that were inflected by the sociology of literature and stuff like that. So there's people like Michel Disser too, the idea of the scriptural economy, where there would be everyday practices of writing, registrations of inscription, and they would circulate in all manner of forms, forming a kind of ecology of the scriptural. And I'm basically quite invested in that, I think is my confession. The second side about legibility is a really interesting one. That's what I think makes these aesthetically really interesting, that they offer up a doubled legibility. They call up their media form, all that visual noise that tells us it's a document. So in the McQueen case, that's the redactions, the pro forma underneath that structures the page, et cetera. They call up all of that aesthetic information to tell us it's something materially specific. But they also have the chance to operate at kind of lexical level, right? Such that I think, you know, the idea that I'm starting to find useful to link these two things is the idea of the diagrammatic actually, this doubled legibility. So that diagrammatic idea could come from two places. On the one hand, in terms of semantics, it could come from Joanna Drucker, the idea that like formats are significant. And in the other way, it would come from like media archeology, the kind of Berlin school earns that sort of thing. So I think that machines generate processes that encourage connection, right? So I think that's the one that is, for me, the text is document thing is about legibility and this question of legibility is a doubled one. It's graphic and graphemic. It's image and semantic content. And that's the unique aesthetic quality. And I think I'm starting to understand it through the idea of the diagrammatic. But it's, you know, I'm still working on it. All right. One or more of Shristi, JJ, Abby, Emily, and Ali have a question. So let's find out what that is. Hello, hello. You can see us all here. The question is from me. I'm Abby. Thank you so much for the talk. I have kind of two questions and the first one is shorter. And it concerns your use of the word misuse in terms of misusing documents as they're intended to within documentary practice. But it seems to me that documentary as a form has been slippery as the way that you've termed it since the beginning of its history. So I'm curious to hear you talk about your choice to use this word misuse. Like what is it in opposition to, and if it is a, you know, a form of drawing attention to a lot of these kind of more grassroots and distributed ways of using documents as in all of your subsets, then, you know, what is the implication of the word misuse, because also all of these subset examples that you've indicated have been published have been circulated. Okay. And then my second question, which is sort of related to that concerns how you're thinking about the social and historical conditions in which all of these documents are being produced and how you are reproducing them within your own work. And the reason why I asked this is because it even seems to me in subset one when we have the Humphrey Jennings quotation book versus the Toni Morrison edited black book as examples. You know, the reason for the linearity of the Humphrey Jennings book stems from the fact that it is, I don't know, a book of quotations on one person. Whereas I, you didn't explain what the black book is exactly other than, you know, what it comprises of in terms of its format. But I assume from the title of black book that it's supposed to be, you know, some sort of survey, perhaps, or reconstitution of, you know, first of all, I guess my question is what is the black book? But, you know, there are reasons I'm extrapolating for why it would be collaborative and multi-vocal because it's trying to represent, I assume, blackness in America as opposed to the words of one person. So I'm curious about how you're thinking about that when you're writing about all these different works. Thank you. That was very long. There were two great questions. And I love a question coming from the communal dinner table, which is a very nice way of doing it. I'll take the first one first and then the second one if that's all right. So to the first, the first one's really about mobilization, right? Like documents have to be mobilized to mean anything. And so the thing is, documents are always made for purpose. We don't just kind of make documents for no reason. There's always a sort of reason that they're there to evidence something. And whatever that initial purpose is, establish that document, establishes that document's norm, if you like, right? That's the should be purpose. So a misuse would be the mobilization of that document, the remobilization of that document for some other purpose. It's literally like a counter move, if you like. So that's what I mean by misuse, okay? And by mobilization, what I'm talking about here is the fact that, okay, each document is evidence of something, but figuring out what that evidence means requires contextualization, right? And that's the mobilization part. Like it has to be put to something. Something has to be done with it, has to be brought into a context of interpretation, okay? So that's, I hope that makes sense, but that will be my answer to your first question. The second one is a really great one. I can't do it justice in this moment because it's an extraordinary book. If you ever get a chance to handle it in the library or anything like that, it's really worth doing. You can still get cheat copies, actually, the first edition online. But it's, it was a collectively edited project that assembles some newly authored content, but mostly reorganizes elements from an archive with no explained order. That would be the simplest way of putting it. And in refusing to explain its order, it establishes a very poetic kind of counter critique of normal ideas about history, about white time, and about all kinds of things. So the black book is this extraordinary thing that looks somewhere between a scrapbook and almost like a fancy at length. The material ranges from, like I say, of all kinds of stuff, a lot of which is very, it's like that confronts one as reader. And precisely because you get this book, you get this very short introduction from Bill Cosby weirdly, and then you get this extraordinary back jacket text on the first edition, and that back jacket text is actually by Toni Morrison, but she's not noted as such there. But that's all you get. There's no kind of reader aid at all. So you're sort of invited into this kind of constellation of content, and your reading is not secured, right? And the kind of vulnerability that asked for is, I think, really extraordinary. It's really an enmeshment, an enmeshment in that constellation. And I think that's something that's very different from what's achieved by the kind of back-to-back montaging of clearly cited content, where you get all that control mechanism that makes it a kind of safe experience.  But yeah, it's an extraordinary book, and do seek out a copy if you get a chance, really worth looking at. Thank you for joining us at this equinoctal time. I mean, I have another question while we wait to see if there's a yellow virtual hand that arises. I'm just curious. So we still have physical bookstores, and oddly enough, we still even have like a DVD and Blu-ray sections in those bookstores here in the United States also. We have Barnes & Noble, for instance. And you've shown us these great and amazing examples of book-based documentary. But if I go into the DVD and Blu-ray section of these bookstores, I'll find a subsection there called Documentary. And so my question is, why don't we have such a section? There's true crime, poetry, nonfiction, fiction. Why don't we have a documentary section in the book part of the bookstore? Yeah, it's a really good question. And it's in part about classification standards as they come to modern book selling, I'm sure, from library cultures and stuff like that. It's also about the historic divisions within, let's say, literature, you know, we've got kind of fiction, drama, poetry, and the other stuff. We also don't have non- poetry. We've got non-fiction, but not non- poetry, right? But I think a base, it's about this slipperiness of documentary. I mean, what is it? Because if it could be said to be kind of some sort of autonomous, what would be saying sort of genre, then I guess, you know, you could make a subsection in a bookstore. But it seems like it's a very margin practice, unlike documentary filmmaking, which, you know, we recognize what that is. We have festivals for that. You know, you can go to the New York Art Book Spare and there will be documentary books there, for instance. But you have to look around for these, for whatever, you know, queer archive work by Paul Suellis or, you know, the projects of the sort that you mentioned, or even the Black Book, which is, you know, like very well-selling and popular project. But it stands out as something very unusual, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And I would describe those kinds of print documentary works as extra literary in the sense that they clearly have like a literary reflexive consciousness, but they're not obeying norms of like genre or anything else. They're stepping outside of the literary space and doing something else in this pocket of documentary practice. So this idea of the extra literary will be where I would situate them if you have to. But of course it is in itself a kind of noncategory, like a noncategory. But that's how I think about it. I think there's definitely an upsurge in gatherings of these kinds of documentary literatures through print-on-demand cultures, where you might move quite quickly from the kinds of softwares in which you could compile this kind of thing to a PDF that could be rendered, printed, and sold. Sure. And many of these are art projects. They're not contained within literature. But I think what's interesting about the extra literary category is it can encompass the kind of, you know, the folk. It can encompass all kinds of things that could bleed into it from the fan to the, you know, so yes, there are certainly art projects. And those are the ones I'm looking to because I'm interested in this question as a critic. But I would say that one of the things that's most interesting about this kind of non-space of the extra literary is that it's porous. And it's not governed, you know? So like... Sure. Yeah, I work with, you know, Counterpath Press, which at times styles itself as a publisher of literature and non-literature. Yeah, they've been involved with those really great sort of translations of Heinrich Becker and stuff, right? So, you know, there's a really good example in documentary poetry. Yeah. So these are things, a sub-genre thing, documentary poetry. Yes. And appropriating your idea from on the subcontract, actually, they also published a book a day where they got mechanical Turk workers to all just respond to one of Donald Trump's tweets. But they did this on a daily basis. So they actually, like there's one tweet per day, just creating a book full of, you know, responses by people who are enlisted and paid to do this. So well, let me, I mean, we can go, I can talk with Nick, you know, all night, but he needs to go to sleep. Let me ask if there's a final question, because we don't, I haven't seen any of those yellow hands. So I think we might, we might release our guest to doormatic respite in that case. But let's first of all, let's first of all, thank him very much. This was, this is very stimulating. And we have some evidence of our, of ourselves through this portal. Thanks. So this is great. I think it's going to give us things to discourse about in coming days and weeks. And we very much hope that you'll be able to manifest in your material person at MIT before way too long. But we do appreciate this conversation and your presentation. Thanks again. I'm really grateful. Thanks guys. And thanks for having me.


So, tell us a little bit more, you're speaking of the anxiety that you're dealing with us, please tell us the severity of that, how that affected you? It affected me a lot, so when I, even so I would go home and I would have panic attacks at home where I didn't want to leave my house, I didn't want to go to barbecues, I didn't want to go to anything because I just wanted to isolate myself because I was ashamed of having anxiety, especially that I was a follower of God and so it was to the point where I was going to the ER because I just thought I was having a heart attack and my panic attacks were really bad. I just remember calling my mom and she was far from me, so I don't, I don't really have family here. Come on guys, come on. So with this anxiety it would shut you down. Yeah, so I know that these are tears of joy because that's not the way it is for you anymore. So why don't you go ahead and tell us, how did that process take place? How did you start to get your freedom and your deliverance from this anxiety? It was definitely a process. So just surrounding yourself, first we would come on Sundays and we would get refreshed but what totally changed for us is being a part of a life group and being around people that were positive and if you were just having a crummy day like okay let's just pray, let's pray with you and let's get to the bottom of this and just surrounding with people that were positive and loving and you feel the love of God and these life groups are just as powerful if you just came to church, you feel the Holy Spirit moving these life groups and so that's what this process has been and now that I know like if I get anxious like in the car when I'm driving like I stop and I know this is not mine and I declare it and I pray and then within like a couple minutes like a couple minutes it's gone. So now like the difference is that I know that it's not mine and I declare it and it's just it's just feel good about knowing that I can defeat it. Amen. So I want you to notice something here because sometimes it is an instant miracle and sometimes it's a promise and it's something you hold on to and it's something you press on to. Once again Paul said no I have not reached perfection but I press on into it and that is what Darlene has done. She presses on when she feels that coming on she goes no I know what my promise is and God has not promised me anxiety. Amen. So tell us how is how is your life now how how have things changed since you've started realizing it's not yours since you haven't you've decided to not let it take control of you. I'm way happier people notice the happiness the change that I've had as well as my family. So my family they don't live here but I've been pressing so much into God that there's been healings in my family as well so that's right so even though her family doesn't live here you guys we have hungry generation has no reach toward them really except her.  I've seen a lot so my mom was healed from her scoliosis she had scoliosis and her back's completely straight. My father has kidney disease and for the past two years his kidneys were working at 40% and the raise to deliver conference in April he went to and three months later he went back to the doctors and his kidneys are fully functioning at 60 plus.   That's so awesome so Sam why don't you come over here and talk to us a little bit. We love darling but we love Sam too we'll give him some time huh. So okay tell me because you were with her obviously through thicker thin you guys took those vows tell me what was it like when things were thin tell me about how you you stood strong when her anxiety will attack she will call me well I was at work and she's like the anxiety is back so I will get off of work just for her and as soon as I got home I felt the anxiety in my home so I told her let's start praying and as soon as we started praying it was gone good godly husband man good example of what a good godly godly husband is supposed to look like that's right that's right so tell us now that you can see you can see the beginning of where she was and you can see the process of it how have things changed it's changed a lot going through all that stuff I know the enemy was trying to take her down but the same time he was trying to take me down because I was her rock and I said I said no not in my house and like I was I was a scared of the enemy so I wanted to show that to my wife that I'm here for you and God is here for us and I knew the enemy knew a they know God they're gonna you know so I came in and I met instead of the hymn attacking us I attack back so in our home we worship you know we get on our knees and we start praying to our Lord and Savior you know but she she's changed so much where and she wakes up so happy joyful you know she wakes up and I I hear Christian music and in the bathroom like yes Lord you know and it's just every day you know I we just get closer and closer to God and the closer we get to the God is just let the further the enemy goes away amen the closer we get to God the further the anime gets so so tell me because things are not just happening for Darlene but also in your life tell us about what happened at work well I work since I've been I've been praying and I've been meditating in the Word of the Lord and I hear like all these healings that everybody been doing and I keep praying to God I was like Lord I want to do a healing as like so I just kept praying and meditating and at work there's this gentleman his I'm not gonna say his name but I saw I see him every day he has a limp and it touched my heart I was like the Holy Spirit tells me go pray for him and I was like I'll talk about latter I was like I don't know okay we've all been there before right like we can relate to that I was like I don't know what if he thinks I'm crazy and the Holy Spirit is like let him think that let him think you're crazy for the Lord so I was like okay I'll pray for him so I tell him I was like hey can I pray for you and he looked at me he's like yes of course I was like okay during break we'll I'll pray for you so break came by and we started praying and I started praying for his leg to be healed in the name of Jesus and this I started getting hot and we're outside I'm working construction so it's cold so my hands started sweating and then I started heating up and then when I was praying over him I felt a jolt through my hand going to his body and at the same time he said he was getting warm as well and he was feeling the heat and and when I was done I stayed quiet for a little bit I opened my eyes and he was like and he's like I don't know but I felt something here with us today he's like I felt the warmth and the love that I know God has because he knows God he's like and I felt the Holy Spirit here with us and I asked him how was your leg and he said it's healed and we just started screaming amen glory to God and then we just we just kept talking you know and I just told him God loves you and I gave him a hug and every day he sees me my leg my leg is good amen amen I mean this is just one example of what the Lord is doing today and it's so exciting but guys please because you've just been so inspiring to everybody please tell us we'll start with you Sam first what what is your advice to everybody my advice is you know be obedient you know because when God gives you a word and you feel like just say yes and just go for it and things happen you know through him amen amen awesome so darling go ahead and tell us as well what what is your advice to everybody my advice would be even though if you're the only one in your family and your friends that is coming to church don't give up because you're the would be you're gonna be the only person that can change your friends your co-workers lives and you are the only person that get that person so keep pressing forward and surround yourself with the community that prays that that fast that meditates and and just build your faith so you can spread the faith to others as well amen thank you so much you guys let's give them a round of applause please


The spice saffron is composed of the female reproductive organs of the flower of the saffron crocus. Each flower just produces a few threads, such that you need 50,000 flowers to make a single pound of spice, enough flowers to fill a football field. So no wonder it's the most expensive spice in the world. Thankfully, in the double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial of the efficacy of saffron on PMS, they found benefits using just a tiny amount. What if you could get away with using even less, though? This has to be one of the wildest studies I saw published last year, the psychological and neuroendocrinological effects of the odor of saffron. I don't even know how they even thought up the idea to do the study. The purpose of the study was to clarify the effects of saffron odor on symptoms unique to women, such as premenstrual syndrome, menstrual pain, and irregular menstruation. Another double-blind placebo-controlled study, how do you blind a smell study, though? Well, they diluted the saffron so much that you couldn't even smell it anymore. That's how little they used. So half the women sat there smelling nothing, and the other half sat there smelling nothing, except they were secretly being given an undetectable whiff of this flower. And here you go. Significant drop in stress hormone levels and a significant improvement in psychological symptoms. Unbelievable. Smelling saffron is simple and easy, and it seems there is little side effect.


Welcome to Access to Trader, the number one community for those who are committed to taking control of their trading in order to achieve success, profitability, and longevity. Thank you for joining us. Here's Dan Shapiro to help you find your edge, master your process, and own your future. Hey guys, giving everybody welcome to another edition of the Access to Trader dot com nightly wrap up show. Hope everybody is doing okay. So I don't want to talk about any any corona news right now. Okay, we all know. Okay, it's a I've every man has this limits. I've read out of mind, right? I think I think throughout the day, getting the doom and gloom report, I think is is is sufficient. We don't we don't we don't need to extend it in the overnight. So everybody kind of knows what we need to do. Stay safe. So the biggest question is always and I've been getting this on a daily basis, especially when you get any type of movement back with the futures. And you know, is this the bottom? Is this the bottom? And again, if you've been watching the videos, we're nowhere near a bottom. Okay, we're absolutely nowhere. We're absolutely nowhere near a bottom again for all the reasons we've been giving now for for weeks. Okay, but you know, it came to you know, I started thinking about it and you know, I want to kind of share how I start looking at a bottom or at least how I start looking at what a bottoming out process looks like. Okay, again, who's to say when that's going to be that could be tomorrow that could be two years from now. Okay, we don't know. But there's specific things that I look for in a rounding bottom. Okay, eventually the stocks that are going down on news, right? Let's just say all the stocks. Okay, we have we have a very, very aggressive catalyst right now. Okay, we haven't seen a catalyst like this in a very, very long time. Okay, and the problem is nobody knows how this movie is going to end. We believe we're optimistic. We're hopeful. But again, hope, you know, Hopium, right, the drug of Hopium doesn't work. Okay, so we have to be realistic. And when I look at a bottoming out process, I always look at stocks stop going down. Now again, it sounds very simplistic. It sounds very moronic to say. It's all true. But this is all reality. Stocks eventually get tired. The way stocks get tired on the way up, right?  The same way stocks get tired going down. Okay, sellers are aggressive on the way down. The catalyst is there. They're punching through walls.  Shoot first, ask questions later. Eventually sellers get tired as well. And they run out of shares. And the short sellers realize something is way oversold. Again, this is probably not that time. Okay, but I start looking for clues. Okay, I start looking for many signs that stocks are at least stabilizing sellers are at least comfortable at those levels. They might not know it subconsciously that they're tired of selling, but they are. So I start looking for signs. Number one, again, stocks just stop going down on bad news. Okay, the same catalyst that took us down is the same catalyst that eventually, no matter how bad the news is, traders start going numb. So for example, we knew how horrible 9 11 was, we knew how horrible terrorism was, we knew how horrible the mortgage crisis was, we knew how uncomfortable, how horrible people losing jobs and people losing their homes. Eventually, okay, people started to learning how to live with with all the bad news. Okay, it's almost like a horrible marriage, right? People get married, they love each other, it's, it's, it's, it's marital bliss. Two years later, they can't stand each other, they can't have a conversation for five minutes. And the next thing you know 10 15 20 years ago by their numb to each other, they're numb to each other, they don't hate each other, they don't love each other. They just know that they're there. They're like a piece of, they're like a fern, right? They're like a fern. It's like a plant in the corner. They know that they're eventually trading is exactly the same way. Stocks get tired, traders get numb, 1000 point gap ups are normal 2000 point declines are normal. Everything is normal. Now what we saw today, okay, what we saw today, I kind of liked. Okay, we'll get to that in a second. Okay. The most important part in my opinion is stability to that numbness. And we have to stop for for us to have any form of a rounding bottom, okay, and sellers to get tired and traders to go numb. Futures have to stop expanding overnight. The cash market just has to stop. We can have as soon as the market closes down 800 points as soon as the market closes, we're down 1200 points.  That can happen. The market has to contract. The futures market has to contract. We have to start going from down 1000 to down 500 to down 200 to flat to hell even up, right? Again, we're not there yet, but that's what has to happen. So for example, today after the close, you know, this is the first day I actually have a watch list for tomorrow. Right? And I'll give you my reason in a second. This is my first day I actually have a watch list for tomorrow. And then you look after the close, right? Tesla comes out with some news strongest stock today, biggest move today, blah, blah, blah, for the exception, maybe Amazon point wise, biggest move today after the close, they come out and say, well, we're suspending a temporary plant.  Again, we'll see what happens tomorrow. That's why I keep on saying is, you know, I kind of like the action today. And I did. I thought I thought today was actually the first day that we had a couple of things. We didn't have this crazy volatile swing up and down 1000 points all day today, right? Everything today was up 50, up 300, up 150, up 200, right? The futures trading was getting tighter, the channels were contracting. That was good. And the most important part what I saw today, this is the first time I saw this in a month, right guys, in a month that stocks were just grinding higher, right? Just grinding higher. Futures were going like this, dipping, dipping up, dipping, dipping up. And these stocks were not selling on these dips. These were very, very good signs. And I said this this afternoon, I go, look, man, there's a really good chance that we're going to rally. You know, these stocks are going to start taking out highs towards the end of the day. And they did.  You had Nvidia exploding. A lot of names exploded. Roku got stronger, which I really like for tomorrow as well. So we started seeing good signs today, right? And I said, well, you know, maybe some news doesn't come out overnight and it's anything's crazy. Maybe we have another rally tomorrow. And I started looking at the cues and I said, well, let's dive into this. Again, not saying this is a bottom. Forget about it. Again, we all know this is not a bottom. But again, there's always tradable opportunities to the long side of multiple days if the market starts to stabilize and without new materialistic news. And I looked at the cues and I said, well, wait a minute. Now we have this is a daily chart in the cues, right? Although they look terrible and they got rejected off the five day moving average, right? We see five days again, the birth of the trade, the shortest term interval of sentiment. I did turn around. I said, well, wait a minute. If you look at the cues and again, we have to start looking for some positives. Again, we can't go through doom and gloom on every little thing we talk about, right? So I started looking at the cues and I turned around and say, well, we just, I just realized that, you know, the cues have closed on green candles, right? Four out of the last five days. Now, what does that mean? It means the close of the day was higher than the open, right? That's a positive. A day of contraction of the futures market, which we had today was a positive, right? Stocks not going down 900 points after the close on any type of announcement to be determined. As of right now on, you know, I'm looking at right now, I'm looking at right now and the spies are, spies are down 1%, right? They're down 1%. So basically taking down today's, today's, today's any type of gains. Now, how does that work for tomorrow? And look, if the spies, again, if the market kind of engulfs whatever news is coming out overnight, fresh materialistic facts coming out and they start confirming today's prices tomorrow, then again, this cycle of higher closes, right? Higher closes than opens is going to be intact. And the most important part about tomorrow's session is if we can reclaim today's highs and start building, then we have a multiple day run in our hands. Then all those things we just kind of talked about, market getting numb with no materialistic news. The market's kind of getting, market participants on the sell side are getting tired. Maybe we can have a multiple day rally. We will see said the blind man. That's the whole point. We will see. Again, I still don't feel comfortable taking anything overnight. I still believe the ranges for the most part every single day are very exceptional. Okay. And if you wait for these confirmation channels, you could do very, very well. But at least again, baby steps, right? Fingers crossed, you have to start somewhere. I think the traders globally, right? I think the traders globally need to hang their hats on something this weekend.  You really do. We need to have some sort of optimism. So if we can have all these factors I just talked about today kind of spill over into tomorrow and the market gets bought on that dip and they start confirming today's prices. Again, I think it could be a little bit tiny baby step forward to kind of a recovery. Again, we're not at the bottom. Don't think we are. You know, what we're talking about now, you know, New York City now is up to 3,600 confirmed cases.  This is what happens. You go to St. Patrick's Day, right? Go boozing and drinking. Everything's all good. Oh, what do you think is going to happen? But again, it's a right step in that direction. So let's talk about today's day. Again, you don't need to have overnight positions. You really don't. There's a lot of really good value throughout the day. Again, for all you guys who've been kind of watching this broadcast now for a while, you know, you kind of know where we stand by now. Again, if you're having trouble in this market and again, your whole process is based upon daily charts, again, they're skewed. They're flawed. They're damaged. The ranges are the purest form of getting alpha. It's just the reality. And, you know, again, we've been demonstrating the power of the pivot for a very, very long time. This isn't like two months. You know, we've been doing this. We've been trading pivots for eight years. For eight years, I've been showing the power of the pivot. So if you are having trouble and you'd like to check out the live webinar, again, everybody's home. Again, there's two pure forms of income potential right now with everybody not working. You have online casino or you have the market. And again, it's very, very tough beating an online casino considering the odds are stacked against you. So let's talk about this. So you see this right here. So again, same game plan today like the other day, waiting for channels to develop and confirm, take cash on the way up, break even as you stop. And again, I said this every single day. Anybody who's trading with us should never trade in any fear. Okay, trade with complete confidence, business as usual. And again, you can see how aggressive these pivots were. They weren't all great. Okay, I caught two like a schmuck that I didn't make money on, but there was some really good stuff. So let's talk about this. Amazon was definitely the point mover of the day, 1848, 1850 build. Amazon just went nuts, absolutely nuts. Here was the 1850, right? Here was the 1850. It started building, started confirming 1870 and Amazon just went nuts, went to 1945. You just saw a huge call buying, right? Huge call buying the whole day. Big, big move there. Netflix has just been a machine. It's just been just a monster. 320 rejection three times pre-market needs to build. Here was Netflix, right? You see this 320, 320 just exploded, right? Went to 347. Roku, Roku, the initial move on Roku was very, very good. The second entry, I'm a schmuck. I forgot to do a second entry. I bought it the first time around. It was one of my losing trades of the day. But anyway, the initial move was pretty big here. 69, 60, 69, 75 needs to build and it exploded. Roku really, really exploded. Here was the 69, right here. Here was the whole 69, 75 area. The first move was like the 73, big, big move there. BYND, if it builds below, can flush. 50, 40, 50, 50, 50, excuse me, 50, 40, 50 dollars whole number. If it builds below, can flush. Here was BYND, right? Here was BYND. Here was the 50, 40, 50 area. Went all the way down to 48. Before it reversed. Here is one of my two losers on the day. AKM was way too thin. Was way too thin. I bought the stock and I looked at it and I'm like, okay, buyer's still waiting. So, wound up losing 60 cents there. Again, no big deal. This was obviously the first big pivot on Tesla here. 381, 381, 382 needs to build. Tesla just went insane. Tesla went absolutely insane. Here's the 381 right here. 381, 382. First move once was the 400. First move was the 400. Then there was another pivot I put into the channel. I'll show you guys in a second. It went from 427 to 451. Monster move. Tesla's the best stock out there. It really is the best stock to trade. CHUE 33 needs to build. You can see there's a really good value today. CHUE 33 needs to build. Here was the 33 on CHUE. Went all the way to 35. Big move on CHUE. Zoom exploded. 124.50, 125 needs to build. You get the idea. There's some really good value today. Here's the 124.50, 125. Went to 131. Work. Again, for all you guys who traded work, I actually traded work. Made some money. Didn't make 21. Anyway, 1880, 19 needs to build. I basically did okay with it. When I say okay, literally okay. As soon as I sold it, it went actually down a dollar. I was like, wow, good sale. Then I turn around and the stock went to 21. Da, da, da. Roku had a big initial move. Tesla had a monster move. CHUE had a monster move. Amazon had a monster move. Work, new highs. Really went new highs. ZM, new highs. Again, good. 1871, nice trade. It was good.  Here's where I screwed up here. I set everything second entry. Like a schmuck I took. I didn't wait for the second entry. Cost me a buck on the trade. Again, guys, always remember, there's nothing the market can do to us that we can't do to ourselves. I would have had a really, really big day for my Roku. My Roku kind of stupidity. But again, it is what it is. The video I caught twice. Did I even put the video trade in here? I don't even think I put this in here, for some reason. We traded the video twice. I caught the video twice for like three and change. I think I might have backed and put it on Twitter. I think I did. I think I backed and I put it on Twitter. On my regular account. I apologize, guys. But we traded the video twice. Here's the second pivot on Tesla. 427 sneaky area needs to build. Here's Tesla. Just absolutely exploded. Here's the 27 right here. Here's the 27 right here. And it went all the way up to 452. Huge move there as well. Tesla new highs on deck. Huge, right? Huge. Again, because of the corona scare, my man Jean Francois in another world. We're all isolated.  Mwah, right? Amazing day. Absolutely. Some really good value today. Really, really good day. Again, that's the name of the game tomorrow. Again, it's a new day. New day, again, same game plan. If we gap down, the value will be to the upside. Obviously, if we gap up, you know what, before we gap up, I'd like to say the value is going to be to the downside. But I want to give... I'm only going to give them a little bit of time. But I want to give... If we do gap up tomorrow, I want to give the bulls a little bit of time to kind of wash away some late shorts, or early shorts, and maybe start confirming today's prices. Maybe the queues can have a higher close four out of five days. So guys, have a great night, everybody. God bless. Stay safe. I love you all, and I'll see you all tomorrow on the webinar. Bye-bye. Congratulations for putting in the time to take control of your trading. You're one step closer to owning your future and achieving the success you desire. Want daily trade ideas directly from Dan? 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