ompanies That's like the big thing Eventually your money will earn for you and you don't meet millions, but it's a risk reward thing slow reliable Yeah, or risky potentially high returns and losses. Well, I think like the general.  Okay? I'm not giving you hot stock picks.  Seems like it um It's like a phone Guy here As a response on anime tropes from the stream I can totally understand why you guys don't like anime tropes also hot takes a totally fine with me as long as the arguments Are reasonable and logical also high rags and Theo Wait, hold on you don't have to buy and tie a Bitcoin. Oh, oh when that cash that might change my perspective on that Hmm, okay. Well like now it's now getting a good You kill the shuttles Damn it. Now you can catch up to me And I react does that one get it right on the internet? Yes Yes, I mean to stop being louder because it's Monday to it is Monday probably to work again tomorrow How did Fringy not know that well, I mean I figured now that now that I think about it It kind of makes sense that that is an option Yeah, I didn't know that You can buy percentages of a share, right? I see yeah, man. I'm so excited to fight make a large soon Be erect all you want. You're still not gonna win. Wow. Neo is really a downer in my chat I'm I'm very upset. You're the guy from the matrix in your chat Yeah, he's crazy.  Yeah, I mean, that's not true But you know, I could still say it Crash was meant to be a wombat originally. Yeah, Wally the Wally the wombat That's funny Wait, it was Wally the wombat or am I mixing it up with the different Wally Walton the wall in bed one bed. I Made that comment because Fringy said stocks are basically nothing.   Oh, wait. Oh, wait Consider killing the lightning scully in order to buy ballpark from inside shop I don't know if I have the time to be honest Is this seriously my fire paper? This is Stop Wait, are you trying to I want to get in the elevator, but every time I'm about to like activate it It attacks my role that I'm like, oh boy. I'm dead.   That's insane. I think they followed me They are they like your bum bum. I Never I've legit the first time I've ever seen that happen.  I gave you the big chunks And now I could I mean, it's not a huge loss to be honest I mean, it's just around the corner, but man, that's annoying.   It's insane. Wow, that's not Awkward. Hey, you know, I love that they put platforming in games like this. That always makes me very happy It's not all right. It's really good. Never cringe.  There they are again. Maybe I just never noticed. Stop All right, so you see the stream you see this platforming nightmare Oh Absolute bad lads There's another fly up here, isn't it? I Like how the gap is just growing wider and wider with each passing minute Well, I don't even sure what the gap to me in metal is.  No, I'm trying to farm for It's not not helping me out because I'm keep getting bullets even though I'm all full of bullets Full of bullets No The hunter fight you have to do I think right you have to do that one those flies are still up here They didn't go back to the rigid position I'm walking into me collage. I don't want to do this.  That was interesting Choice This guy really wants a piece of me See ya Reward good idea free thoughts on Tyler Tasmanian tiger. I never played it Do you even count as Australia? And plus it's not a tiger. It's a thylacine. All right fucking.  No, stop seeing that Really came out to get me today. It's insane Four of those spider things and ROMs thingy.  Thanks for giving me more quick silver bullets game It's not like I already have 20 of those Leave more. Yeah. Yes, I need more Odendorf more Tasmania is very nice. I would recommend going there for holiday Super diverse landscape A lot of natural beauty Yeah, and and the and the wildlife Because again, you know, there's a lot of things in Tasmania that we just don't know it's like Watch out when you're driving there because a kidness can just run out into the streets And I'm pretty sure they can puncture tires whose kids.   And I wish I could I mean, it's it's outside technically Well, that place doesn't have any walls at all.  Maybe I don't know it depends on long everything How long we've been going for three hours?  I know what that is. Oh Pellets like to give more power. No bees blood cheese Very important question in Um Chat you have TFA critique part four when oh When have I ever promised loaded times for those thoughts? Oh, I think there's an argument about crypto in my chat now What? Are you mean?  Yeah These guys apparently do a lot of damage. Okay Oh jeez, how long is it gonna take to get back there? All right round two Fight Somehow no one recognizes Annie slash the boys in public true.   Hey a lot of white girls do it Super girl has been canceled, right? Yeah Is it out yet or no I think I think like I think it would come out probably around the same time as that woman I guess so next you think oh wait this year. Yeah, I would have be canceled like a whoa Not enough ratings cost too much money to make Yeah, you think that that would be the case at all times. Yeah Like what is that weird? Why I think I think these shows of arm like they've declined in popularity, right? I Now it's not really Yeah, I think I think that's a factor that these shirts decline in popularity Which of course makes me happy because I've always kind of thought that they weren't very long like about Oh, I work good. No, it's not like we're at least I don't believe you Maybe it is good, but I doubt it all I've ever done kill Moodle Yes, Chad kill Moodle because I looked at it for one second and he nuked me with an attack that stun locked me It was really cool. Oh boy. Who's fault is that metal? You got a phone call Let's see rags. Are you an underdog dog? Oh, so I don't I never really cared for underdog It was never really a show that I I didn't enjoy it. I didn't care for it I'm talking about I Probably shitty movies with a superhero dog. I think he got me.  I used to turn a ringtone damn straight Have you ever seen biker mice from Mars? No, I haven't and I have nor have I seen rock and rule before anyone asks me And I'll be back I Well, I'm handling this fight really well That's not what I want to hear right now I was being sarcastic here, right? Oh What no games. Oh, you're fighting that guy.  I'm like I never said they were Yeah, I'm misrepresent an old raggle Old animated movie that people might And it was on my mind so as you've seen loop on the third I have seen some of it and I kind of want to watch the new movie because the animation looks Some of the old show it was entertaining You know our dies from a non-established nut allergy Yeah, it would have been neat if they had thrown that in at some point earlier so that we could at least see how it but you know From a writing standpoint, you definitely are at the point So she'll sort of move the hand away from that one person because she had a candy bar You'll feel like you wanted to put one in a bin, right? I was like put that away I guess you could call that setup, but that was Yeah, you know Rags favorite Guild War two season expansion In Guild Wars and so are all the characters but the maps are really great I enjoy a lot of the medias and a lot of the mechanics.   Oh, Anthropoid that count as a war movie.  Look at that.  I really like one, but it's really tough I Like to like good. It's just a sequel to the first one which is Which means the comparisons will be obvious. It's not a bad game. I liked it It's just not as good as the first, but it's a good game I haven't played inquisition. I don't intend to play inquisition Nor do I intend to play for unless I hear for whatever reason that it's really really good And it's a return to form or whatever, but I highly doubt that'll be the case Let's see Did you keep your visage of the con er or sell that bad boy?  I don't need the money. Honestly. I don't need the money So I kept it and I showed off wherever I go Thanks to the resub doctor and I'm out of vials.  Yeah, like no it isn't I Thought two was a bad game looks it's like I Don't know it someone said it was trash. It was poopy I'm like, I'm curious what your references are because I don't remember it being a bad game It just wasn't as good as origins and I and I kind of Hey, this bit of a pet peeve of mine everybody Bollock when describing things especially when they're games Like this game was part of the problem was There were like interviews when that game was coming out when they were like you press You press like the X button something awesome happens.  It's still a fine game It's just not as good as the game that came before it and it's a clear shift in what their focus. Yeah Which was not really good storytelling and really good writing and making really interesting worlds and places It was clearly well, I guess we're gonna try and take Dragon Age origins and make it a And approachable for everybody and put a more of an action focus Like well, it's still it's all right, but like you didn't have to go and do that No That might have been a bit of an overreaction. Yeah, so it's I like this rags interview stream. Thank you We're all working hard on blood The three of them are working hard on Bloodborne and you can watch the streams for you know, their gameplay But you know, I'm just kind of hanging around Theo be quiet. I can't hear anyone over your loud self. You're worse than ER I'm all how can you put up with this? Theo is a wonderfully civil lad and You should be thankful whenever he turns up to give his perspective on how the clothes is bad She's a goger about to say exactly the same thing Well, you think close is bad. Oh Just that he'd be the one to say that it's bad That's not that's not Oh Right because he was asking I look I'm pretty sure I've said that it probably is I haven't rewatched Yeah, I can start worse, it's probably shit. Yeah, unfortunately that seems to just be how Yeah, I mean ignoring the games and Well, is that what you need to say?  I mean Rags it reused a lot of assets and the combat was a huge downgrade. I agree. It's still not a bad game So boy Someone said when do you take the Christmas tree down rags? My family does it on epiphany because that's when the Christmas season officially ends I wonder when is that it is soon ish? Let me say it's within the week. I think 2021 it is January 6th Yeah, Christmas is Christmas.  You have a whole day. Isn't it called Saint something's day Saint Britain day No, no the saint that the flag your English flag Saint David. Oh, wait, that's not your flag. You're not English I'm parrying too much I need a I need one of them. Oh wait, there's one right outside. All right, fine Just watch the new series by the author of bleach called burn the witch and it's a fun series. Is that anime? It was made by someone who made bleach. It's probably anime. I Hope is good Drunk molar is objectively better than what is happening? But it's that the the corner of the map.  Oh my god. I went super far back That's what you get.   You already killed it. I don't kill it. I put him to sleep Rags don't know sorry if you think dragon age two is a good game. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong Well, you're gonna have to convince me What if you're just wrong though? It's like I just It's just You're gonna have to do better than just asserting it's bad Cuz like I think it's on it. I think that it's just it's it's not bad Like I know gamers love to be hyperbolic in every game that isn't it's either the worst I will say we it's it's said that that's what we do.  No, nothing can ever be okay. Can it guys? Well, look if they aren't okay, I there's nothing that can be done about that It's not our fault that they are either really good or terrible I suppose what that would get out then is that they genuinely think that dragon age two is really bad. I guess maybe yeah, I Ever played ever played total war games Guys cuz I haven't I haven't no, I really like the total war games Total war The don't war him a two one That's that's the one I've played last really like it Rags do you play Minecraft?  It's a normie take To say that halo 3 isn't that it's generally regarded as the best one. Yeah Story in Dragon Age 2 is oppressively dull and the gameplay was stripped down RPG system that removes the benefits of turn-based combat We're keeping the lack of intensity all around boring boring subjective Oppressively dull doesn't mean it's bad And also dull is subjective gameplay with stripped down RPG system.  No, there's still a big benefit of being able to combat To tell people to choose different targets The only people who mentioned the black thing is these fact guys you haven't been paying enough attention We scroll through a bunch of the reviews on Metacritic and they're like what there weren't like lesbians Wow, so forced like this is the shit that people say about why Mano So what I mean he fat guys Look at the only ones that are saying it really mean that That like the only people who are pointing out like as if as if like nobody's actually making the case that they're The show is bad because diversity and stuff and then it's just the point that we're making Whatever don't make the argument anyway When you force diversity it's agenda then it isn't good. What do you mean by that? Do you want to explore that a little bit more? Are you sure that's a take you want to just firmly root yourself in? Agenda bad. Oh, is that really a perspective that we actually have that any story that has an agenda? That's like a problem Yeah, it gets into what does it mean to have an agenda? I guess Well 94 has an agenda like I'm sorry guys, but most stories have an agenda or some kind of point that they're trying to make That doesn't make something bad Diversity is always bad. What are you talking about? That's a full comment It has to be I hope you're not American because if you said that and you're an American that's bizarre to me, but all right You are talking about like force diversity and stuff all the time. I hope so I hope so There we go Rags my dragon age two is bad the narrative framework The backlash framing device is a I guess they mean flash frames Instead of back flash The flash back framing device is a terrible way to present the story No Also, that doesn't make the game bad. None of that's related to gameplay a game could have the shittiest story in existence And if the gameplay is still pretty good, then the game's still pretty good. All right, so we this is a topic to explore What is force diversity mean? Do we have any definitions? So they said how do you not feel that racism bad and homophobia bad isn't beaten over the head with blymana? What are you talking about? What's That's not even a thing that's ever talked about in the show Is one line the way they say we can't get married like legally, but we'll wear the rings and we'll know which is just true That's just true Force was the key word again the same question. What does force diversity mean? If I was gonna say what is force diversity, I'd probably say that it is When you go out of your way to ensure Arbitrarily that actors are of a certain place gender or ethnicity Is that a meta commentary though? Or is that actually something that you can pull from like the nearest stuff the way I try to categorize it has always been You see a flaw in a show and then you couldn't figure out like you can almost reverse engineer Why do you think that flaw happened and like JJ Abrams? For example, this is the example I use in the tlj critique Why is it that Mads canata is shoehorned into the second and third film? She seemed to have a role in the first one, but then she just doesn't in the second and third Why is she in there at all and it's just like um We could go with lazy incompetent or your standard sort of writing issues But after I saw enough interviews with JJ Abrams being like if I had my way, I would make everyone in star wars asian It's like, okay That's weird And so her being I believe she's uh, I want to say like Vietnamese and south african at the same time or something. She's she's got two or two Diversity origins for a writer like JJ to enjoy and so yeah, so we got to have Mads canata in the film Same for Gwendolyn Christie, by the way, they would celebrate that. It's a woman villain What what do you remember that everyone? Woman villain. Yeah Never seen a woman before I just saw somebody say something that forced diversity is when a movie or show or game throws in a game Or colored character for no other reason than to have a character like that in the story What do you mean by for no other reason than to have them? So yeah, where I was going was that was with mads canata. My assumption is she's in it Strictly because of that background, right? She would if she was a white guy like that was the the actor They would have just dropped the character like they did with um, what's his name The the friend of JJ Abrams who's a pilot. He dies in rise of Skywalker. Yeah. He was in Uh Force Awakens, but he just disappears for TLJ, which Honestly is a little bit of a continuity.  We just have to assume He was on some trip to like little or something getting some Oh, see somebody's pointed out a good example, right the end game women in power moment It's like, all right, so what's the problem with that scene? It's like wow It's really convenient that all the women were in this place at this exact time to line up for the shot It's like clearly logic has been strained significantly to facilitate this scene So the reason why I'm kind of pushing back is because I feel like a lot of people just say force diversity And then they don't really like explore more than that It's like, oh look, there's a black person and there weren't many black people in the countryside of england in the 80s in the 80s Therefore, this is a problem. It's like, oh, yeah, can we explore this a little bit more?   Who's the protagonist white male? Well, I'm not watching it white man. Yeah. Oh man, like we're doing this.  Because that woman has done that It's like, all right. So what's going to be the thing with bat woman?  Well, yeah It'll be like going to be explored with zero attacked Or anything. I think the best episode is the is the lesbian hacker who gets in one episode. Oh, yeah, the lesbian hacker That's right. She's a girl and she's a lesbian. So she's off the hook.  It's like I don't know what to do with that Yeah, the um I guess what they try is like the likelihood of there being That many non whites in one house is just not very high It's like, but it's possible, right? It's like, well, yeah, it's like, oh Well, then is that like the is that like the end of the discussion? Well, like what what is the effect of this? Nothing. What does it matter? Yeah, I would be I would be totally on board if like they were they were shit actors If they wouldn't they were there and I'd be like, hmm. I'd raise a brow with that But they're incredible.  They're excellent Then I just it's it's kind of like I I know I shouldn't but I kind of get insulted on their behalf when people say it is forced They earn that shit they absolutely So apparently bbc cast a black woman is queen an I don't know who queen an is but I'm assuming she was white Is that a uh, is that the topic of uh adaptation? Is that one? I mean that yeah, that would be interesting. Yeah, that would be adaptation. Yes Also, that becomes that becomes real interesting. Yeah Yeah, I'm probably that's probably I'm gonna Tendatively say that's probably forced it was the whole idea of like, um I think that generally when it comes to casting characters, you should consider what the demographics were at the time Hey rags, you see in the stream right now. This is michelosh the boss by the way It's absolute garbage. I have chased him and hit him about seven times now How much further ahead of you than me at this point? Oh a little bit, but uh At least you don't have to fight him right now. It's Wait so that then he runs out to game thing This sounds really that looks really fun. It's oh rags. This is just the this isn't even the worst of it This part is just really boring of the fight Someone's like the demographics were 100 like yeah. Yeah. No, I know they were what I'm saying I'm talking like in general at this point that like it makes the most sense to me to just have the demographics to the most accurate to Where the story is set and the time so like if you set a story in new york It would make sense to have a pretty Sorted assortment of people of different races and stuff, but if you set a story in like South you were making a chakka zulu documentary and there were like if there was a white person that would make me go Right exactly and and you know conversely like if your story is set in the middle of like um south dakota It's like yeah, it probably makes sense if it's like 100 Fucking hell like people are getting really confused about the um the queen and thing The point that was being made when it came to adaptation was like is it a subject of adaptation when you take a real life event and then change it all And if it's a bad adaptation, which it surely is is that different from whether or not it's It's a bad story Yeah, all right. Look, I know it's not accurate. Okay, even though I don't know what the example is specifically Hey, right Tell them all or he can position himself in a way that makes michael ash around to the actual boss room I've already got that like But watch this fire eyes. He has like two moves and that's it But these moves do an insane amount of damage.  Don't don't screw me over Oh, cool. Um When people say bligh is bad because sjw I just hang my head because it's irritating. Yeah, you're not the only one, buddy I'll from it. Yeah Um People mentioned kingdom come deliverance I remember when that game came out like people were mad that there weren't many black people in it when it was Sent like medieval volataria But the thing with that game was it was trying very hard to be like an authentic thing So it's really stupid to get mad at him and trying to represent the demographics that were there Like it ultimately depends on what you're trying to do really I mean like, you know battlefield 5 is a good example, right? We are trying to do an authentic world war to experience It's like, but you're not though. You got like cyborg British women on the front line. This is insane. I can't take this seriously Yeah, um, and then of course. Yeah, go ahead. Keep going. Oh, just um, just the whole idea if they were like Yeah, this is alt history or something. It's like, okay I'm I can I can deal with that like if it's alt history then it's whatever But if it's only alt history and that's the only thing alt about it, I'm like Yeah, you should you stand cry a little bit hard. It's a differentiated from the real world Now you're just using it as an excuse. You're not actually using alt history Someone said, um, technically the wall had first a forced diversity. It had americans in it like What about Chernobyl? I had british people in it and then they're russians. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah That's with the wall. I don't think it was forced diversity I think that it was they they were from And it was part of a story where they were sent to China or wherever to look for some stuff to bring back Uh, and that's how they ran into, um Uh, the other guy, I forget his name. Uh, he was in lighthouse.  Yeah, he was in the wall as well and he was there because they wouldn't let him leave essentially and Yeah, I would call that forced diversity. They can come and also the wall is bonkers. I love that movie.   It's like oh What do we do? Can this yeah, and I can this work. I will often edge toward merit before anything else asking one Yeah, I think so But the funny thing is we're not even talking about Some like it's impossible for these particular colors to be in this particular area because black man is just yeah There were black people in britain then Sorry. Yeah, um Oh nick fury is a good example. Nick fury is white in the comics um But then they cast Samuel Jackson, but nobody really cares It was like Samuel Jackson. Yeah, because people like Samuel Jackson exactly um That was I guess like oh the way old man The only instance where it would have to be ruled out is like if you've got a character who's Specifically like they're right with relevant right. So like if you're making a movie and it's about I don't know like I don't know like um Some kind of you know coach Carter esque like i'm a black guy in the hood, but they're white Like and then you have the other characters being like 12 years a slave, but it's like Yeah Oh I have to turn it on atreus now though, which I have no use for so that was It to the local merchant Oh, wait, hold on ben superison reset replacing james bond You know female james bond is false force diversity to Samuel jackson playing white knit fury isn't That's an interesting one because surely like creating a brand new character replaces james bond Is like less force diversity than um Yeah, we we might have a super heart take on that one being that if james dies And someone else takes the 007 mantle and it's a black woman in the story, which is perfectly possible Yep, and I know that an argument An argument a lot of people make is like okay fine, but it's not james bond and it won't be as popular and it's like Okay, oh, I thought we weren't okay. I thought popularity was not something that we cared about So whatever it's like a really good still a really good character and he's a really good character What if she's better than james bond imagine that impossible?   Yeah, like that probably is diversity So but I'm interested there to be like is that forced When you have a pool of anyone to choose from you know what I mean Well, I mean, I guess the problem is it's like it's hot Like what if the person who was responsible for casting like was legitimately excited about specifically having a person of this background in the role Well, exactly and if they weren't cynical at all If james died and you know, henry graves took over and he's just a white dude who's very similar It's like well, that's not a problem. I'm guessing And so it's really just is it really just use one the 007 person to be white and a man Yeah, I know so it's like It's interesting to get down to the the pieces that construct all of this I guess I'd say I think so. Yeah, I think it's worth interrogating this Especially just to think about what your values are when it comes to media And I think a lot of people If it isn't forced diversity, it's like a loss Like you lose you like your side Yeah, like I'm not I'm not really sure what to make of it. Why didn't they cut into servers and spawn? Uh, I don't know.  She doesn't rely on brute strength or she's off.  What was the initial question then? It was forced diversity. I thought we clarified that That's what the discussion's been about this whole time. Yeah also someone mentioned, um Morgan Freeman in shasha and redemption is a white irish man in the book Yep wolves talked about that before It gets a little complicated I'll piss off Cunts Oh, wow, I just missed it rags and co. Would you take morality into judging the quality of a story? We'd need more than that. You'd have to be be more specific So just off the top of my head you have characters who are doing evil things But the evil characters that's fine if they do evil think like captain marvel doing something horrible to the dawn and the film is Unaware of it that's probably going to be listed as a not only a shot against her character But like some kind of inconsistency with presentation and events Which wouldn't be a significant floor.  It's still hit me. Okay. Yeah I could use objectivity to weigh that um like my moral system I could use objectivity to weigh the fact that they exploit underage girls And say that yeah, that is an immoral thing to do because I have a moral standard that I can use to judge that Action against and it does not hold up and of course fundamentally, like, you know, whether or not objective or not It's like if it's something that is repugnant to me, then it's like that's still that's still a perspective that I have You know something So I can make it feel as mean something Yeah, I Like I can judge that to be immoral objectively That doesn't mean it's like in trend that doesn't mean it has to be intrinsic to the universe or something like that Well, I mean again good stories and bad stories isn't intrinsic to the universe.  All right. Now now we're we're we're getting real close to the end No, no no no no no no. No, no no no no no no no no. No. No. All right.  Oh, yeah, but I thought we all knew I mean I think we all know the reason why that is because it's because the fucking hollywood politics I'll never yeah, it's popular to do the other thing around but surely the standard would have like what I'm saying is that my Standard would apply the other way around like if there was a black character who was made wise That isn't necessarily a forced problem Even though I think all of us wouldn't want to see a white blade, but we'd be like alright Let's see how it goes. I guess I think it's a contextual right like a white black panther.  It's already problems. Yeah And I guess that's what I'm getting at right is like the standard applies both ways. I like my panther wouldn't work Well, yeah, I guess I mean we're in the Wakanda thing. Then yeah, that would be what that's what I'm saying Precisely what I was gonna say There's one white dude in Wakanda Yeah, he just happens to be like his family and everything is exactly the same, but he's a blonde blue I think I think that's the problem noticing people were getting really antsy about my tape But it's like no, but this applies always around like an Asian character played by a white person or like an Asian character paid Like a black guy or a Hispanic character played by a white person like it would have to hold all the time Otherwise, it would be like why do you have this double-handed one into Mikolash's boss room and he did the insta-kill move Like Matt I like you but Mikolash is one of the worst boss fights in gaming. It's so horribly bad Help me out here guys.  Um, where do I go?   So is there somewhere I'm meant to go next Door in the cathedral um on the right of the lamp. Is that an open then? Okay Oh, well, it wasn't it wasn't open when I was there before that's all I guess maybe it's open now Yes, yes. Thank you. Oh Someone asked earlier what do you have like a particular of like favorite mythological creature one that you just find really cool I guess a really interesting The one that's like three animals in one the Chimera of Chimera. Sorry. Yeah, Griffin is a part of that isn't it? That's taking it back to the Babylonian two of them fell down Oh my god, I just killed him downstairs.  I don't know. Okay, where oh werewolf. Oh, yeah werewolf, of course Oh I guess I'm I need to know what what is included when you say mythological can it just be like Stuff Like very would fairy tales like be included in that Wait, did I miss one?  I stop. Oh, I like my friends I like the idea of how like Satan is sort of like a deal maker with people Yeah, how especially when he's not portrayed as explicitly being evil, but like it just neutral He's interested in a character Even what people do. Yeah, he wants to Yeah, like what will he like he he gets enjoyment and satisfaction from Like putting humans almost like he's like a Q kind of character from t and g um Like a gonter o'dim style presentation of the devil That makes all these deals and barges with people and takes an interest in mortal affairs and things of that nature Um Duke again also Let's see But yeah, um, I do like what the puke. No Yeah, like that for that presentation of the devil. I do. I think the minotaur is really kind of nifty Um, a lot of the like the classic stuff is interesting And the part of that is because they have rules attached to it Like the was the vampire rules and the werewolf rules and stuff are interesting. I like those Wait, doesn't the puke go like all around the map? Hmm There's an item floating in the air. There's another one Devil's chaotic neutral not really because of the like he he like he has to keep his own word like that's how Um, which is weird because some a lot of things say he's the prince of lies Oh Please don't watch tng. Oh, there it is.  No, I I I know that Sorry, just that's all about for a second lord of lies. Let's see the prince I'm so annoyed by this death. It was so dumb I don't think I feel yeah one of the names of c Yeah, this is one of the names of satan is the prince of lies or the lord of lies. Um Maybe it's just a derogatory title But you get the idea You made lies got a lot of meat Lies no hero is born That is true except wonder woman. Wonder woman thinks it has Truth that that film thinks it has a point.    Um, I forget what it's called um Someone help me in chat because I forget the name but there's like this this This dog-like creature and if you're a bad person in the scales tip against you Jesus Anubis is the god of death right in egypt As far as the god of the sun, I feel like egyptian mythology is uh Greek mythology has been super thoroughly plundered and it feels like morse is now My god, there's so much happening Um, if it was like norse is now becoming the thing that we're starting to get super into and norse mythology is really cool But uh, I feel like egyptian is the one that is currently not being super well explored Maybe that's the the thing to tap Did you just shot through the wall? Yeah, I think I just got shot through the wall Yes, it's a very cool. Watch the fight because intent is me might happen. You'll see the power of the dead I'm at right Oh I think it should just be kept in us That'll i'm loving new beard. Well, thank you Not be damaged to him You hit him twice and it didn't do like any damage He's doing very well. I feel like a tiny bit. Oh, yeah.  He doesn't do that. I should be okay You really don't want him to do that move. That's correct. Oh cool.  It's like, please no You might should be a voice actor. I disagree Oh my gosh his dad Praise lorded Actually worked out Okay, this time, please don't all snipe me at once. Yes, perfect. Yes What about the end moot? Oh Easy first try. Yep It could be interesting if you had a take if you wanted that egyptian Like almost like episodic show you have anubis and all that osiris, right? And like when every episode would be like an egyptian guy dies And he goes to the afterlife And so each episode is exploring that person's life and things and Like anubis is almost like the narrator He's with all you person as they explore the events in their life And they have to account for all the things that they've done and at the end They have the well, were you a good person or were you a bad person? And if it's it's an obviously horrible person Then the show is about them explaining themselves and giving their reasons for why they did all those terrible things or Every episode is a new character that we get to spend all of our time with but anubis is always the same He never changes. He's he's done this before I feel I I I really like stories about characters who are like the the guy who is responsible for death You know what I mean like uh, I like the idea of a girl and this was specifically mummification But you could that was very important for them so that you could stretch that Well, like I've always wanted to do a story that has something to do with the grim reaper Yeah, judge of the dead is osiris. Just that'd be a good thing The judge. Yeah, osiris's chamber or something.  I like this idea a lot But we're not going to get that because it's interesting and Cool, I would rather watch a guy with a baby randomly complete tasks for strangers that don't have any characters That's my fetish Yeah, nobody's talking about raw raws the yeah raws the I feel like I just think it's more interesting to explore the characters You have the crappier jobs. You know what I mean like like if you did a story about Greek mythology I'd much rather be following Hades Then uh, then Zeus I don't think I absolutely you know and in the same way like if there was a thing about Norse mythology I think I'd rather be with uh, low key rather than uh, like Odin or four Because they're just going on the standard heroic adventures whereas like low key is the one who gets to go on the more interesting adventures I would imagine What's my damage so shit I think I like the idea of maybe I I'm scared.  What does happen?  They haven't you more Geez, and I haven't died as much as I probably would have if I didn't so with Raj just makes edgy jokes and throws people off roofs. Why would we focus on him? Oh, maybe I don't No, there's obviously more to it than just that right? We want to explore it Like they explored wonder woman in the wonder woman 84 Yeah, don't expect anything they couldn't get lots right. Don't expect any well, I'm saying like I might like the idea of exploring this personally And thinking about provisor for all these ideas are that they're executed well, I would suppose Yeah, that's the fundamental Too scared to continue That's what that's kind of the point of making I think villainous characters in like mythology or at least the ethically dubious ones Are the ones that are more interesting to me than like Zeus or Hercules like I don't really care about Hercules compared to yeah, Hades I'm just sick of like heroic characters doing their heroic things.  It's like I have what do you judge that you like what what do you mean? You didn't even get a chance and then maybe like, you know start to explore that topic of like wow It's like A world where you don't even get a chance to live like dude You know, yeah, what are the what do a Cyrus and anubis do when a kid shows up? But do they just like yeah, I guess they get to go to heaven. I suppose right off and it's like What if like if they had the ability to see what you could have done If you hadn't died Imagine like it was a kid who grew up to be not a particularly awesome person Not like the worst person in the world, but somebody who Didn't do particularly good things did some really bad things But it's like but you didn't do this yet. You didn't even get the chance So what what do you deserve? What is your you know, what what what should you get in life? I feel like that could be a really cool topic to explore Yeah, it's Eric Lee is really You get those really um, yeah, you could come up with all kinds of crazy stories playing up the The characters of a Cyrus and anubis and maybe you know, they're a little bit different than one another Or one's more pessimistic. One's more optimistic. Yeah Have you got amic? Yeah, or they just have you know different personalities. They want to like they've been doing this for so long They just they wouldn't make it interesting They set up, you know, why relive all these moments Why'd you do this? Why'd you do that? I mean like you think they deserve that thing you did to me? What were you doing? Such a interesting concept. I don't want to have to fight play Doesn't make me happy A playtale innocence is one of the best games I've played in years and it's nice and dark and scary for spooktober Huge thank-tism to mr. E-man gameplay for the awesome gift was from salad king. I guess they are They bore it up for him Our Cyrus is technically dead is like, yeah, well, yes So I want to ask what is um, yeah, I saw I hope I remember it because I had to Come on I caught up in the cold past it but it was like, what's the thing that NPCs do in games that like ruins your immersion the most Hmm, and I think it might be when they keep repeating the same line over and over again. Yeah, I think so Especially if other NPCs elsewhere have the same line delivered by the same actor in the same way Plus the fact it's audio based is yeah, I think that might be the thing that ruins it for me more than anything else Is Reusing the same fucking audio line over Maybe seeing the same NPC twice like with the exact same clothes and stuff like you would in old grand theft auto games It's like, yeah, yeah, that could do it Now it's not really a problem though, you never really see the same NPC twice unless you play sacrifice Oh boy Oh, yeah, and also people aptly pointing out Zeus was not a good guy either. Yeah very few of it I think that's why I find these mythologies really interesting.  And he goes to apollo. He called up to apollo. He says apollo.  I'm better than you. I can hey apollo.  All right.   Oh Well, I wasn't quite right, but It's a horrible terrible end Yeah, I think um I I always distinctly remember the the the one where um in norse mythology where they needed a wall built around asgard And uh, there's this guy and he's got a horse and he's like, yeah, um, so I can build this in a year And if I build it in a year then I get to marry fray it and they're all like Yeah, whatever and then he actually gets really close to building it in a year and they're like, oh We don't want to uphold this like we don't we really don't want to honor this agreement.   The only person who the only person who won here was Loki then Well, yeah, because Loki had a kid. Uh, and I think that was Thor's six-legged horse or something. I think hmm You're getting a super biased vision from god of war.  I'm talking. No, we're not. We're get dude read Greek mythology. The gods are dicks But at least they're entertaining. Yeah, that was from um, that was from uh, the neil gayman rewriting of the Of like, you know, the retelling of the Norse myths. That's where I got that from Um, I don't think that's from god of war the idea Hmm Let's see. Um, oh, oh as someone said or how Athena turned arachne into a spider for being better at weaving Yeah, the gods are pricks and medusa. Medusa is a victim Yep, definitely victim.  I think she blinded him And so but she was like well I blinded you but like I feel kind of sorry for it now So I'm gonna like make a constellation or something out of you instead of giving a site back It's like these people are dicks, but they're interesting these stories are bunkers Yeah, but they're great. I think that's why I like so much about uh, Norse mythology compared to other. Well, no Yeah, if you had a show about these gods made them more like Middle ground Not just outright assholes, but more middle ground. I think it could be super interesting Yeah I mean, I'm cool with them being assholes.   I think that was right But I Turned the guy into a deer and his own hounds killed him. Oh man.  Um When do you feel the idea of it happened because it was destiny is good or bad in a story to explain a possible contrivance It's all way too bad. Damage me. Oh my god. I'm so fucked. I mean client. We agree that it's always bad Yeah, I I will All my positions are tentative, of course, but I'm gonna say that it's always bad 100 percent of the time.  I'd be like, oh, that's shit um, but if we're talking some kind of The godlike entity of the universe actually steps in to do something in some narrative so it could probably work, I guess To make something happen that they said will happen, but it's any good if they make it happen. I don't know. Yeah Probably some reason for that happened any other way Right it predestination in a sense it it could not have happened So when does it have a used like for anything? I'm fine with stories where people believe in prophecies and destinies um But if it's an actual mechanic of the universe that people that there are prophecies made that must occur in destinies that people Have to do things and there is no possible other way it could have happened.  Don't put it in your Well, I mean it worked out I'm just fisting pigs No, yeah, I would have been really pissed if it didn't What's your next boss then? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Oh great. It's all hunter fights Yeah, I think I'm I'm not even too far away from the end if I was to focus on just getting to the end All right, boy We said quarterings and the destiny story you flutes. Well, then I don't like that about it What do you mean? I was wondering the destiny story I don't know. Someone said maybe something like the extra lore or something. It doesn't count If that's the case if there is a book that says rags will do Thing and then and then it comes true, but he had every reason to do it for his own person regardless of this like Like I don't care That's kind of starless. I couldn't have done anything else Well, just that you know Darth Vader will bring balance the force meaning he will kill the emperor and rebound It's like see it was written it was destined it was always gonna happen It's like but there are story reasons why it happened. I don't care if it was written in a book Yeah, also the people in the like they don't know what that means It's like that's ambiguous bringing balance to the force However, if Darth Vader was strictly evil the entire time then just randomly kills the emperor And you don't even know why and someone's like, oh, well, it was in the book like what He did it because it was in the book Yeah, no, thanks.  It bothers me a lot generally Yeah, not really referenced as a positive Yeah, I would rarely I would never just don't use them. Just that's that's my that's my advice Just don't I'm like you're doing a literal regard from the machine But then it wouldn't be a deus ex machiner in terms of the trope. It would be like Yeah, like literally what deus ex one like one of the endings is Let's see. Um Yeah, don't do destinies About death note. So that's an actual mcmanic An actor though is doing that they're using the power of the book to do something. That's like death note isn't prophecy The death note has rules and then you just use you explore those rules to do what you want I don't think the death note says anything about what will happen Uh, you know, it only says what will happen if you do the same thing Like if you you know how the rules work and this is how it work It said what if the prophecy is not 100 correct, then it's not a prophecy That's a misrepresentation of destiny He didn't do it because it was in the book the book was written because he would do it So now we're talking about fucking seeing the future And and like Whatever it's you got some old dude so into the future that Darth Vader would bring balance to force wrote it in some book or text Past it on to a bunch of people they try to interpret what the hell it even means and through Possibly wanting or not wanting it to happen made it happen But all of it doesn't rely on that some guy saw the future Is is just that's not that's what made it happen is the point if your story supports itself What we're specifically talking about as a flaw is this thing happened because it was written in the book that it would happen That's bad It happened because I said it would And of course if someone brings up death note again, it's like clearly that's not what i'm talking about Uh, let's see, uh, right. What do you think? Well, actually, let me use the little bro in that question How would that even make sense that it's it's like white is creating the things that will happen That's not destiny. That's cause and effect Yeah, but they just I mean this it's a bit disingenuous They're like, ah, but he's writing in a book and you said books like that's clearly not the spirit what i'm saying But all right Yeah, come on What is the next boss you have to fight then?  I'm annoyed Uh, uh Out of vials again laugh at my shadow take but i'm correct I'm assuming this is the people saying that you shouldn't make fun of shadow for you. How do you feel about that? I Will continue make fun of shadow the hedgehog Bring do you understand how racist that is or it would never not be funny He is a black hedgehog In a game where the good guy is a blue hedgehog And he has a grump voice. He's got red streaks as well Shadow troopers black armor red streaks He wears like these cool sneakers that sonic doesn't have the new daleks The black with red lights like oh man cruise control for edge I say with my black avatar with red lights My avatar is edgy Yeah, it's glowing gray What do you think of prophecies that are basically if then propositions so If I go to a restaurant and I prophesy that if I Order a steak from the waiter Then I will receive a steak cooked as I requested That is then delivered within a short span of time. That is not a problem What do you think of if I had a story where I'm like if the hero ever enters the chapel of unforgiven madness He will die and there's some person in there who he cares about that he wants to save and so Like do you think that creates interesting like drama, but then I guess it would be the nature in which he dies would be your Point of contention, right? Like if you just fell over and had a heart attack for like oh, okay But but then I would be like oh is could he never have possibly even succeeded It wasn't he didn't even have a chance because the universe conspired against him.  It has to Be such that people cannot work towards its completion And it cannot be a mundane occurrence Buffy does it's funny because now I'm just thinking about Buffy flash angel one that I don't want to talk about that just does it in a way that I really like Yeah Buffy does not a lot With things a thing that you're like, oh, that's not gonna work. It's like they made it work though Yeah, they did want to remain nice and big on that one said I prophesy that america will have a female president Like that's not that's not much of that's not a profitable prophecy. That's like practically inevitable Well, I mean, you know, um, I think there was like a prophecy in the bible of there will be wars and rumors of wars.  No, they can't that's not a prophecy Well, if it's too vague that it's something that will invariably happen Then it's not it's like a prophecy needs to be specific for me to believe that it's um, that it's actually not just a prediction I guess yeah, it's like I prophesied that you know one day the The tumor you've already you've already fucked up with saying one day like All right.  That's not useful Well, like a good prophecy would be like if prior to you know, like a prophecy of You know, uh on on sat thing november 2008 barack obama from illinois will become the president of the united states a prediction from like 1850 It's like wow, that's a really good. That's in it's specific Now the only the only contention I would have with that And if a tiner one to the point of it being a non-issue would be that it is possible when barack obama Like if it's a public prophecy, yeah Because people can actively work towards completing it Yeah, right and of course If it's a private one, how do you prove that it was made before it happened? Yeah, it can't be it has to be specific. It can't be vague. It can't be mundane.  Oh, it has to be falsifiable. That's the thing. It has to be falsified Yeah, that's that's the big one that I forgot It can't be so open-ended that like no one will ever be able to disprove that the prophecy didn't happen This is a conversation on the quality of a prophecy, right? Not I'm I don't even think if it doesn't meet these criteria, then it's basically Yeah, I'd say it's basically a requirement It's the difference between random predictions based on chance and educated guesses and like actual prophecies So the problem is if it's a guess and if it's a really vague guess like again, if I say there will be a war in the future It's like that's not a prophecy like of course there will be and also you didn't say when or why Um, how do I how do I get to the bigger event of prophecy? I don't think so.  No, that doesn't make any sense Half the people half the people in the world more than half the people in the world are women There are no green people. Yeah, if they if you made the guess that there would be a woman president It's like it's inevitable Fragg's definitions of prophecies is such that prophecies can't exist.  Here's a conditional prophecy if akili if akili's fights in the trojan war He'll die soon and as a hero if he doesn't he'll probably just He just probably tries to avoid the fight, but then he gets that's All right, so that's that's not too bad. You climb the ice because it's falsifiable After the fact. Hey, whatever. It is not it's not Wait, is it no that isn't No, that's a terrible prophecy if he doesn't he'll die old and unknown So how do you know that it came true if he dies old and unknown? Yeah, yeah, that's a terrible prophecy. Yeah, he shouldn't have that last bit ruins it Um, um, isn't this supposed to be a big also people can work towards protecting akili's if he doesn't You know go to war. Oh, what the oh what the dickens? And But yeah, my my criteria for a prophecy are very very high because a prophecy should be held to an extremely high standard Otherwise, it's just a guess Yeah rags his definition of a prophecy isn't really what prophecies are All right, let's see what the definition of a prophecy is I'm just curious what the definition is a predict. It's it's a prediction is all A prediction of what will happen in the future. Yeah, that's definitely not the definition I'll be using the wikipedia definition is a prophecy is a message that is claimed by a prophet to have been communicated to them by a deity Such messages typically involve inspiration interpretation of revelation and divine will concern the social world and events to come Yeah, so those don't happen So, yeah, I don't well that's that's the thing is like a prophecy can't be real by that definition Well, yeah, but in a fictional world they can be yeah, yeah And those are my criteria for If it's a thing if it's actual prophecy People seem to have low standards for prophecies I love Anakin Skywalker being the chosen one is bad then I can agree on that I don't like chosen one things like ever kind of um And it's it's vague too. It's not as bad as if you're the chosen one to do some Thing like it's just like the prophecy It's prophesied that the son of the king Uh born if you know if the the son of the king born under the full moon in the month of february He will achieve You know something You know cat you know because of him a great change in the kingdom will occur It's like it's still not a great prophecy because if you're the king It's really easy for you to make great change in your country Right, but it's not like the worst attempt at a prophecy, you know Not a slight me cool There was an elevator. I jumped on to it assuming it was there, but it was just a hole in the ground Oh, that was a cool combo you guys just did good stuff proud of you I'm not getting any stagger cool.  No, all my blood bullets are gone. My fire pepper is gone.    All right, does the prophecy need divine inspiration? No, I don't I don't really care. I don't care where the source. That's the Wikipedia definition Yeah, like I don't I don't personally think that the source of the prophecy matters at all We're just talking about the prophecy. It's why I guess it's because the idea is like a prophecy in IRL world is religious It's like divine Or divinely inspired or something that's like part of it. But when we talk about prophecies and story We're not talking about that we're talking about just because of course the rules in your fantasy universe can be whatever you want them to be Someone says like um someone says is parishes to live then Troy shall fall like that's a really shitty prophecy Yeah, it's not because Paris can live or die Troy Troy is gonna either, you know Exist or be conquered You know, it's just that's it's a really really loose Hmm, you know kind of you know kind of prophecies Oh, wow, I think I'm finally starting to figure out what I'm supposed to be doing Well, there was an iron gate here, but the prophecy was in reference to someone else rather than the protagonist that it can Still be entertaining to work with. I mean, I'm sure it could it could be entertaining. Yeah, this wasn't I still wouldn't like That's where I wanted to take the question next so if You know Fucking mando whatever all characters are doing what they do and then some seven bearded guy is like yo Mando if you go back to mandalore, you'll never uh, you'll never leave and then he's like um Okay Like and and and you know depending on different variations It can just be something for the character to think about I guess It doesn't have to have to come from any way specific or That just great great I remember this being fun Um, yeah, we don't know who came up with it or wrote it or how they achieved that knowledge It's just something of a risk that's applied from some random source And it may or may not be true that sort of thing Very very much arbitrary for our character, but it's something that you can maybe think about. I don't know You can add the level of stress Um, what does atheism have to do with this? Like Rags your bias is showing prophecies can be intentionally vague. Yeah. Well, that's not very impressive Yeah, I mean if it's really specific, it would be a lot more helpful Uh, that's like if a prophecy is meant to be useful in any way then the more specific it can be the better Um Is that What's what is the atheism got to do with this? Prophecies have always been vague.  Well, yeah, isn't that the whole meme with nostradamus?  Here we go again. It's a good prophecy rags. It's falsified exactly I think that um, I think that a prophecy has to be falsifiable. Well, yeah, because otherwise it's like What are we doing here? You know, I think all the things that you believe should be falsifiable Uh, yeah Yeah, I think so Um, let's see What do you think about the ragnarok prophecy from north smith? I'm not familiar enough with it Uh, I think the ragnarok philosophy is it will happen and like Thor, Odin and Freyja and stuff will all die I think that's what it is Oh It will happen. Uh, no at some point Oh Maybe it does have a date and I'm just not familiar enough with it though. That's a thing. Um, like I said my most mythology info is pretty low because like Oh, the frenzy do I do. It's yeah, they overdosing on fun It's just too much.  They grab you and they apply the fun away The thing that knocks out like 70 percent of your health while taking health off you and reapplying it.  Okay Yeah, this one is a nightmare, isn't it in terms of frame rate and like Not being able to see it in there Frank get in there and nuzzle her food Oh, I'm not I'm barely even doing that much damage Look at all this fur. I can't see it. I wish I could fight Amelia right now Why is this preferable to where you are now? All right, I'm just farming things again because I'm out of things Is there any reason why vicar Amelia was a dog?  You're not supposed to make sense of it Oh Oh, well, I guess we can all close the channels that that exists now Everything's just just wow, man.  It's a dream universe. Is it What what I got a jail free card for the bojack is a dream universe. You shouldn't criticize it.  Yeah, most people do Like more than half. Also, why would it however if we're talking about a literary device? I still don't like them I thought that's what the context was supposed to be Well, yeah, and plus it it's like the chosen one thing is like the they I'm fine. People can believe it in the fictional universe. I have no issue with that whether or not Real is a different thing. Yeah, whether it's real in that universe I don't I don't think you should have them be real And if you have people who like it's like when people see the future, right? And it's just a potential future that they see with their future vision powers. That's not a prophecy Right because people can work to change it And also the only reason we brought up the real world thing is because I was looking for a definition And the definition of prophecy is much more like religious in its connotations Then when we're talking about it as a literary vice Yeah, I I don't like them. You could write them in a way that's interesting sure But and I'm fine with the idea of prophecies being very vague Of almost like a Then I'm certainly fine with the idea that a prophecy is, you know open-ended and we don't know if it was You know that that's uh so Just avoid it avoid destiny avoid chosen one avoid predestination You know have characters feel like they have agency and that they could have failed if they did things differently Or they could have even done things differently at all This comes back to what we said at the beginning Which is as long as it's not they did it because it was in the book rather they did it because There's plenty of reasons for them to do it. Yeah, and then it just also was in the book. I can upgrade again now I don't think I'm beating Victor or me. Oh, yeah I'm making some progress. I am happy. It'd be nice if I could see what was happening But you just spent ages talking about the vague ones being crap. Yeah, they are You're gonna have one have it be vague I'd rather have a crappy prophecy than prophecies actually being true in that world They're a ladder I guess I like that There's a difference in how we would want a prophecy to be in like the real world versus in a story What will work best in the real world?  I don't even know that we don't know if you're true because it's a prophecy or not I've never looked at Lord of the Rings and thought good thing. She was a girl. Otherwise, which king never would have been defeated I've never looked at it that way. Oh great Yeah, like like Mary. He wasn't a chick. He was a man. He hit him for sure.   I just thought it was a it was a neat line. I am no man Yeah, yeah, it's a cool line.  Well, what do you mean?  How do I do it with the hobbit money? Still agree anyone could stab them. Yeah, I yeah, I did cover that but yeah, you're right A very literal way of looking at things. I just like that as a criticism left You need to use the left side of your touchscreen, uh, your touch thingy on the controller.  I think was that's why some said the witch king thought he couldn't be beaten by mortal men And he was kind of right.  Therefore. It has to be a woman That's weird, but okay.  That takes a while has a lot of health. I guess I'll read some super chats I'm acting like you have like all the time in the world right now Who would win a full-scale war the all branches of the u.s. Forces or bowser's army The book literally says the blade marry you so we're going by the book not the movie The book literally says the blade marry uses breaks the spells making the witch king mortal again Okay, right so the prophecy was wrong I don't know what to make of that It's not even a prophecy. It's just him saying that no mortal man.  The fact that he hit him in a particular place I guess mary used an enchanted sword that broke the spell Like by the way, um all of the swords in the world actually have a spell that destroys the spell on me That makes me invulnerable Oh, you're taking things too literally right Actually, um the u.s. versus bowser's army It really depends on if we count every single thing ever that was in bowser's armies across all the games Well, yeah, but he said the entirety of the u.s. Army. So I guess so the army the air force the uh, navy How's the house like Like we're talking a shit ton of enemies to deal with and it's not that the american army couldn't deal with it, but Some hard ones to deal with in there. Remember that there's like that's millions I mean, it's one of the things that I think about with like avengers movies I feel like the u.s. Army could have done better against thaners than the avengers um I agree with that actually Yeah, certainly his ship.  It's like yeah, the u.s. Army wins. It has superior tactics It doesn't matter that they have superior It's like general ship. It's said in monowakba too.  It's like yep. I agree with that We got some interesting comments here. We've got a do you like pubic air rags? Uh in moderation Uh, I like it.  I want to go now Rags, so now you agree that the lord of the rings books and movies are different stories Yeah, when the Why do people keep doing this? This is a person the other day. It was like, oh rags cron complained Yeah, one of the rings of the book is different from lord of the rings of the film When did you ever say Hey Rags would like to see a show where mortal characters have to face Extremely powerful sorcerers mages being underpowered annoys me like in the witcher three.  Yep I think Really powerful, but you shoot it with one bullet and that's it as opposed to captain mom We're really powerful, but also impervious to headbunk from a guy with all six. I like that you call it it He's a plank so Yeah, mages can cast extremely powerful spells like kings in the witcher new to keep mages around Because of how powerful they were and all the things that they could do that Normal people Uh like an aragon right so an aragon has is one of the best magic systems I've ever read don't They they get they start getting bad quick after the first book, but Like a mage is it's like the ultimate glass cannon Where they they have to pull energy from things around them Either other living creatures or the planets or whatever And they could very accidentally kill they they could accidentally kill themselves if the magic words they use or the thought they use Accidentally falters and they accidentally target themselves aren't specific enough about the spell and you have whole armies that are designed to Protect mages in battle so the mages can cast the spells because a single arrow could kill a mage because they're a person Right and very in step of that nature, but yeah, I like the idea that mages are Glass cannons they're just as frail and they have normal bodies and if they get stabbed or Cut in half or they fall off a great distance Kills them, but they're capable of you know, very powerful things How long have you been hitting that big thing mola since I said wow I deal like Bailey damage I don't know how long ago that was it's a it's a long wheeled away, you know And someone mentioned that the us army would have any trouble because a fucking fat dude jumps on them and bowser's armies defeated Are we taking into account the people behind these armies or are we taking into account just the power of these armies against each other? um I feel like well if you say the entire us army you are factoring in the numbers Oh, I just want to mention that like bowser has magic on his team and if he's smart we could probably do some real damage to america Are you thinking of when you think about magic that bowser would use against the us army?  This is nukes Yeah, the nukes are gonna do good. I agree Yeah, if they could avoid it that would be like a they last possible. Oh, yeah. Carmack is just a wizard, right?  Um I'm not familiar enough with all of bowser's magical capabilities, honestly This is all I would put my money on the us army probably I just wonder if that kind of Grows a bit of a curveball. That's all Well, I feel like that's always that I I kind of get annoyed with how Incompetently armies are portrayed in films because again you look at the marvel universe. It's like Yeah, I feel like some fighter jets and some and and like a few tanks are going to do better against danos's army than a bunch of people with spears Um, it's because you're running into a battle field. Well, do you remember how poor the defense is um in infinity war?  Well, that's the problem is the tech like they have they have technology that they use very poorly Um, because yeah, vibranium is really strong But it doesn't matter if you're turning it into spears and doing full frontal assaults with like actual melee combat Anybody with a gun is gonna do better than against you than you would against them That's what I mean like if the u.s. Army It's part of because avengers the argument is oh, well, they're gonna get out very and also they had flying vehicles So that does make it harder for a fighter jet to fight against them highly maneuverable Oh, but they don't bank very well as that And also predator drones like again, we underestimate the capacity of any modern army Do you ever wonder how it would be fought like is bowser's base on the moon or some shit? I don't know Maybe yeah, like There's a big portal in the middle of america that leads the mushroom kingdom or something Yeah I will be back in about one minute. Excellent. All right Let's see someone says um The nosgull are established in the film to be immortal. So that's not true One of them dies Yeah, yeah, they're all dead at the end. Well, yeah, I was gonna say they're all dead by the end. Yeah So, yeah, that's not true at all. So not a strong start Erichorn says neither living nor dead doesn't mean you're immortal Gollum says no.  That's gollum's account.   I don't know if you guys are, you know, he's not the most trustworthy source And gandalf says the one they say no living man can kill. Oh the one they say no living man can kill They say no one will they say, you know, he's like, oh, yes, babe roof The one they say whose record will never be broken is like, yeah, they say a lot of things So that's an account I need to I think it's the bolt modifier I've got on this thing. I need to change it I'm related, but what do you think of naturally gifted and powerful protagonists that have to learn to master the spell and deal with the consequences of their own abilities?  Who is the guy from the second?   Rules and how everyone reacts to the world around them. They're saying movie Uh piece of media I feel like mass effects got to be really high up. I think it's pretty high. Um I'm gonna say halo. Halo's got some real tight world building too. Especially if we go by book halos Um, oh The witcher seemed pretty good now that we're actually kind of on it like the mages and everything like whenever you go places They do seem to be That's some that come to mind Yeah Dude mel maybe I didn't even do the dark shit once Really not once I'll just put people in mind. Yeah, because what what do you need right now? It's like a cool advantage for a boss But that's totally hard I've never seen that happen It's like the most annoying part normally. Maybe it's because I electrocuted her Oh, no Nice later tonight, man Yes, um Fall of reach top tier Yeah, so fall of reach the flood and first strike are great. The flood's my favorite of the three But they're very very good in terms of their world building And establishing tone and stakes and creating rules Very very excellent and um If you're looking for if you're looking for like a halo book that's more recent because those are the old ones of like There aren't of the new ones. There aren't many I'd recommend but shadow of intent by joseph stateon I really like that one and it's real short. It will only take you a couple hours to read That one is following the ship master. Do you remember the really cool ship master from halo two and three with the missing mandible? Yeah Yeah, mainly sensors on him. I've always found him to be a really cool character. Yeah, he's pretty neat He has he doesn't get a lot of you know, we don't get that much time with him, but he's he's pretty he's really memorable He has a lot of great lines We shall cut into the heart of this infestation retrieve the icon and burn any flood that stand in our way And then all the flood the covenant elect are like they always do Rattas badam Rattas badam, that's his name. Yeah I think in the books he was artos vote of may um, that sounds about right um because his His name might be different people and it's just a coincidence, but I think artos We don't know if he died. I don't think we know if he dies in the flood But he was specifically sent to kill man. Oh, no, no Rattas. Vodam the ship master is introduced in halo two Uh, and he's definitely alive by the end. Oh, oh, I was I was okay. Well, then it's a different character Let me double check. I'll be back you double check. Let me check here I think or is that I might be confusing him with the protagonist though and so in the halo graphic novel There's a really cool. Uh, one of the really cool, um comics in there is the The last voyage of the infinite sucker, which is the infinite sucker is a ship. Oh, um s u c c o r And I think artos vote of may he might be the protagonist of that one And I'm not Let me let me double check the halo wiki just to uh, yeah do that because I might be Mistaking them. Yeah. So Rattas Vadam is um Formerly bad of me. Okay Oh, okay. His name changed. Okay. Nick named the half jaw following the wasps two mandibles, but he's definitely still alive Yeah, he is. Yeah So so I guess because yeah in the books Our toast as he's voted may In the flood He was an elite who was sent to go kill um The master chief he obviously fails at that and He exits the story in like we don't know what happens to him.  He had a grunt with him uh And they paled around but Yeah, I think they might have been the one So yeah that explains that yeah if his name changed then well funnily enough his name in uh in halo two was just speck ops commander I actually gave him a name But yeah, he's he's a cool. He is one of my favorite characters from the halo series Yeah, I mean when we first see him at the beginning of uh halo two we'll talk with the arbiter. You're like, yeah, this the guy is There's so many good lines, um That armor suits Guys, where's where's the pastor monster? Like the I know where it is, but which what is it called the place where I got the um The gesture to talk to the giant brain eye thing I can't remember what place that's called I just need to get there because I can fight the army of weird things and then the pastor monster Dude bro culture has kind of infected a lot of this sort of stuff But halo, there's a lot of really good stuff I think halo two was a really I mean it has a lot to say like it is a criticism of like staunch zealous fanaticism to a religion Like that's that is what that game is critical of And how easily people are let arrive when it's like the promise of going to heaven. You just do these things Um, how easily people can be swept up in a lie Halo two has a lot to say. Thank you chat Kind of steps back on a lot of that Damn, um Partly because people told them that they weren't interested in that like oh, I don't care about arbiter It's like man yeah I always I always really was interested in the arbiter and the elites and yeah, so as I have he isn't good at doing elite voices I could try harder, but I I like you were trying I wasn't even trying I wasn't even trying damn straight. I just hear fringy.  I guess you just go ahead and do that man. That's that keep david's god. Can you accelerate your life for us? I need to be I think that's the problem is I need to be I feel like once I'm older like once I'm in my 40s It's just gonna happen Like that my voice might get a little bit deeper than it already is And you can finally start playing those cool black guy roles that people get Like the Keith david type to get that ek marty guy who's like walking halo five years Oh When you're talking about rags died during halo ce he's the elite in the elevator in the final up. No, I'm talking about in the book In the book um Let's see It's the aragorn The same guy who's saying some again He said aragorn stabs them then I was calling burns one arwin drowns them three characters in all three movies Tell the audience they are either immortal or can't be killed Well, you say that that thing gets sentenced if your references were the ones from before those have been discarded because they're not accurate Um, he says then they just die from being stabbed.  Yeah, you stabbed with the face. I mean it clearly is enough to kill one All right, right the rags the elite you're talking about is both Yeah, well, we've already so how can he be alive in halo two if All right, or is the elite in the or is the elite in the book supposed to be the story of the elite that you see in the game and The protagonist of the last voyage of the infinite sucker and The ship master those are the same characters. Well, because he is the ship. I might see it That's the thing which didn't know to claim me you were streaming. So if mr. Subjad mode the race That's fine. It's not a race anymore Hey, it's not over yet For some reason this vika when he has no confidence to catch up now I'm really annoyed this vika did like an anime blast where it hit the ground And then the blast came two seconds later and killed me. So the anime bias is showing I'm thinking of zuka's mma. That's it.     You have This guy's still going. He says you have smeagle say you can't kill them. Why would he lie? Okay This is insane poisoning of the well against poor smeagle smeagle is known smeagle is known to lie However, he could be lying To preserve his best interest to keep whoever he's with who would you say that to he probably says it to the hobbits froto and sam Which case it would be accurate.  He could be telling what he thinks is the truth If they say they can't be killed and golem hears all these stories and sees how powerful they are It is it's not crazy to think that golem believes that they're actually immortal and can't be killed And so he's reporting the truth as he sees it. That's not a lie I'm yeah, I'm very thrown by this whole like golem scholar of the fucking ringwraiths He says it implies that golem has seen an instance that they should have died but didn't know it doesn't at all All the up it is it seems to be knowledge amongst a lot of people that the ringwraiths cannot be killed Golem picks up this info like everyone else and it's reasonable to believe that he believes that that's what the story is that goes around It doesn't mean he has to and it doesn't imply That he has personally seen an instance of one of the ringwraiths In aragorn and gandalf are reputable characters However, as even a quote that you gave from gandalf says They say that they can't be killed Yeah They say whoever they are the ambiguous really it's golem You heard it from golem I'm sorry.  He was not implying he wanted to kill them So that doesn't change anything.  Why was the flood your favorite of the original three novels I think it had a connection to the game that I really enjoyed It fleshed out a lot of what the marines were doing during the time of the flood like During the game halo, which is what the flood is. It's basically halo the video game It flushes out a lot of what the marines were going through What they were doing you don't see a lot in uh in how yeah, yeah, you're off kind of on the bigger adventure Yeah, so I go to st Kind of yeah, absolutely It does a lot to establish the worlds and in the care and there's a lot of marine characters and how they deal with The situation and what they're doing and how they make it through Rags, I'm about to fight the pasta monster and this is the one the most notably affects the frame rate. So Oh boy, let's take a look. I'm carry on what you're doing But yeah, it's in the background and hopefully I can beat it first try, but you never know with these things No don't I just died twice to the goopy enemies. So nothing's really in stone I'll stone you. No way. That sounds wrong. I'm not stoned. I actually don't remember Are you doing an optional boss even? I'm well, I only got german left now. Uh, if I wanted to finish the game Yeah It's Arwen but they all show back up. So like a human could survive that We I think at this point it's just gonna get lost in terms of like, what does it mean for a Nazgul to permanently be destroyed? Um, and is that what we're calling kill? Or are we calling it? We have to Like being dissipated We have to establish if the characters What they believe is true versus what is actually true about the world Because it's reasonable for people to have it's reasonable for even gandoff to not fully understand the total mechanics of ring rates living in You're right. I want you to know that this is a boss who looked one okay I'm watching Every at us daughter of the cosmos. Yeah, that's a good soul's name.   Have you ever seen a bigger one?  Well, I'm confused. We did it everyone.   I'm too enthralled by this terrible boss. That's the past a monster Mac, hey rags. Why is the flood the best way for god to die on my way to the boss?   I disagree I'd have never known that in Brutus to be like one of the hardest bosses of the game I don't know about that If your argument that the ring the mouse go can't be killed begins with the four words. They literally got killed Oh, cool. Thanks boss. Yeah, rags. We need to have a talk about definitions at that point, right? Because it's like they can't be killed other than when they were killed. You're like, uh What is embarrassing is how little rags knows of the lore the wraiths are immortal as long as sarin reigns So They're not immortal Guys like just don't the more you talk the worse it gets just stop. I mean that is the i'm for free speech, but It's like you guys know i'm immortal provided my body doesn't get damaged too much I've provided the passage of time doesn't occur It's like Yeah, as long as Um Ranks said he read the halo novels the coal protocol coal protocol and contact harvest. I did not I have no I heard the coal protocol was good.  It's Loveless boss was really good, but I'll get up again. Uh, let's see Literally hasn't figuratively rags god. No No, no, I use literally correctly. I I quoted him verbatim Verbatim meaning word for word literally Uh-oh master. I meant you literally say But if I say I'm literally doing something figuratively, that's not the same Um, all right How do I get the To the bonus place chat. It's up to you to guide me to whatever that boss is The dlc not the dlc one the the boss's name the one on the rooftop. Oh, no All right, we've got a we've got another attempt here glorfindel The gathering clerk said do not pursue him. He will not return to this land Far off yet is his doom and not by the hand of man will he fall?  I sort of Oh, you know what?  I want to do the middle and moller Metal moller may be fringy. Um, yes, what is your favorite shadow of the colossus boss? I'm playing shadow of the colossus. Um, I don't know the names, but Number three and the flying one and the one in the desert is my number one They're like my favorites and then the the desert one the desert one blows me away in terms of just scale and the experience Yeah, that was pretty cool. The mechanics themselves aren't even hugely impressive It's just the the experience of battling this enormous creature in the desert while it I don't know how to explain that I have to play it again to be better at it, but I love that one Uh The flying one in the desert The flying one in the desert. Okay. Yeah, that one is really cool. I agree. That's probably one of my favorites as well That's the um That he says number three is his favorite. So there you go. There's something good about it Which one was that again like uh describe it I guess Uh three is the one with the it has to hit the ground and break its arm and then you can climb up it Oh the one on the on the thing you have to climb.  Oh, yeah Well, that's that's dlc entry.   Just Massively ahead Like I think that one used to be ahead, right? Metal was winning at one point. Yeah, not anymore.  Yeah, so Like I haven't had a single good boss attempt since then I've only beaten three bosses so far.  I I did say this I know I just reminded myself Well playing this like man So bad Look at this.  I agree. Like can you stop flopping around?   Thanks for the souls. Bye What what even damaged me here? Like what did I don't even know Let's see uh regs favorite battlefield game, uh four followed by bad company two and then One and then three.   Um, what glorfindel said is the And as I understood it Mary was able to hurt the witch king because he is not of the race of men And aowyn could because she is a woman and not a man So when you say so man Can't be used both ways. You have to pick one. Yeah Um, if if man means the race of men Which makes more sense mary can hurt it If it means a woman mary can still hurt it It just makes sense to me that when it's like the man, I know man It's just it's not like that it needed to be a literal male like yeah, it's like I So is it so is the issue here? Is it supposed to be that no man can kill me? And it's supposed to mean one thing for mary and a different thing for aowyn Like that's you know the whole idea is they were once men they died with the rings on and they become wraiths under sarron's control Um, I'm willing to believe that they could like regenerate after being defeated over a certain amount of time or whatever Because there's some they're like ghouls as long as sarron exists This is just clarifying what killed means Oh Uh Seek for the sword that was broken In amla duris it dwells. There shall be councils taken stronger than mortal spells. All right Let's see That's so so this is the exact reasoning toll can use. It's like, okay, so they're not immortal Yeah, I agree that they aren't immortal. Well, they died. So yeah, we see him die Okay It's made pretty clear in the books. They have situational immortality though. Um situational immortality So we have situations Like I have situational immortality at this very moment. I'm not dying. I'm not dying. I'm not dying If the right things happen, you could though Like yeah Let's see if the if the idea is why is right? I have it was a long time ago. I don't I don't remember the like specific lines About one aspect of one thing relating to one thing Like if because if because I could I've got him behind me.  See you light a vicar buy Yeah, disintegrate into dust.  That boss is raping you. Okay continue rex I just had to get this out. That's all right. No no vent. Get it out.  Yeah um, but yeah if I if I Like situational immortality you mean that under certain conditions. There is not anything that could hurt you like possibly Okay, I guess like I yeah, I can follow you there It is just it is a funny pairing of words, but I see what you mean I I do see what you're getting at there nail and chat like are you only just being a failure? Okay, now your age boss is behind mullet. Oh sweet I was like, oh, yeah, I read these books. Oh, right.  That's happening. Those things are dense It's not like I read it yesterday. Oh, yeah, well, I was like, oh, yeah, well, I remembered it It's like, okay. Well, that doesn't mean anything.    All right Uh immortality in this context is clearly being used for like capacity to be killed rather than Can uh ageless or can live forever as long as yeah, nobody kills them because that doesn't make sense with the prefix of Temporarily, yeah, and this doesn't apply to the Nazgul nobody said like oh if you leave them alone They live forever, but if you stab them in the face, then they'll die Thus immortal like the implication is that they are unkillable unless it's very specific circumstance while I was under the impression that arrogant. Don't you hit me again? Okay I like the azzledon reaction to what I just said grandmother. It's fantastic. It's like we've known each other for a while Wait, which one of you? Oh and also like The whole point of this is just is is that they're not immortal. They get killed It happens. We see it So like it's done. It's settled. It's over.    She's a really good fight.  Like I said, that's the definition. I've been you know operating under Yeah, vampires are considered immortal says that no man Yeah, that's what we're addressing the easy fillable thing And he is Stabbed in the face And immortals bad because they can die no immortals can die So so we say rags definition immortality means ageless plus utterly vulnerable, you know Don't you know that not I think that's what a moral means Man, this is a good God Ludwig is such a spaz Or sorry, uh, watch the movies I would suggest if you're only gonna do one watch the movies Yeah, you can do that faster. Yeah, it'll only take you 11 and a half hours. Yeah Hmm Rags with immortality versus living forever like well, I think immortality means You can live forever provided your body can sustain Like it's not going to die of old age. You don't wither away But your body can be destroyed by like external sources Swords and daggers and fires and falls Ludwig is a fun fight maria too. Ludwig's second base is a fun fight Yeah, it's a blade mary stab them with it breaks the enchantment. I swear if you're doing first try, I'm gonna I don't remember that line in the movie That mary has a magical sword that breaks the Invincibility on the Nazgul like I don't remember that being the thing I just saw him stab in the house. Yeah Somebody chats like oh, yeah, there are two it's like. Oh, yeah, you're right.  Living forever never dying or decaying an immortal being especially a god of ancient Greece or Rome a person of enduring fame So this seems to be a definition that definitely doesn't comport with the Lord of the Rings So I don't know why you brought it up Ludwig first try. Yay A prophecy. Maybe it's payback Well, no you did No, yeah, that's true And also, I don't follow that.  I know I have to scream Great Oh wonderful They skipped where they got ancient numinarian swords in the movies. Yeah, they they did. Yeah The wombo is invincible I still got two more big bosses left I don't care. You're gonna do the first try. I'm just gonna stop I don't think I will that was that was definitely a fluke. I nearly died like three times Your role has not broken like at all this time That's well, I'm not giving the most trouble with the the glumpy enemy the random Celestial emissary. That's one that gave me the most trouble recently, which is pretty embarrassing So you have that I don't even need to beat those to beat the game You gotta be if I beat them then you've got to beat them too, right?  So do the Nazgul. That's Tolkien's immortality.  Dead Because of course, he's already not what he was originally being some king I don't know. This is getting too tizmy for me. Like I just like it's clearly semantic Yeah, very much. I think it's I think there's a lot of shifting of well Who in the demos No refunds, bitch That is my position chat.  Obviously he dies.  I didn't I didn't believe that I never believed you could not possibly under no circumstances kill the Nazgul Yeah, that's a bit ridiculous Especially because they're like trying to kill sarin So like why would I think that sarin can be killed but not the Nazgul?  What is this get out of the way Get out of the way Someone says but no living man.   I don't know how else to explain it quicker I'm also a little drunk Hit him Hit him I hit him I did I think you guys should try and steal man the ones you're arguing against instead of using semantics I we're the one using semantics using cement Okay, so if I say to rags like this is a man and then you go no, it's a person I go no, it's a man and you're like no, it's a person. She's like, okay. So this is just semantic at this point I want to exit the conversation I said rags you are arguing semantics with chat You are insane.  I am responding to what chat is saying This is what you come to efab though to get yelled at by us I already know what the car.  Oh, no Cancer there I've I've prophesied it. I will be a prophet My my prophecy is that everybody will have very favorable things to say about me. All right, make it happen.  You just shift around the swords like yeah, by that you mean your chance of success is I am I am not meeting this this person here. This is not happening today.  Where's my shotgun stick I agree with rags with a shotgun stick Oh, wait. No, it isn't a shotgun stick. It's just a gun that I couldn't see and now i'm dead And I lost my 10 000s sold Oh, man, do he takes away half my health? Why is why is everything so strong?  Hi michael ash the best boss of the dead Also, I would like to point out I guess as a little cap and things to consider about the weird nautical kill thing is When the witch king says no man can kill me And aowyn says I am no man who stabs them. That's that's not confirmation either way No, no, it isn't like that's not enough to confirm either way. Like I think it's a badass line Yeah, it is a fine aowyn is a badass character She said a badass line, which is what I think it is But either way we have no confirmation of whether the witch king was simply wrong Or if it only applied to like the male gender We don't know it could be either That's not enough to go by Pull off the air Yeah, it's like if a doctor told me that a male man could score on me and a woman does But that's not confirmation a man could never score a goal on him Yeah, we still know this is just not how it works total logically. Yeah Uh, let's see Arguments with rags or like wet bread.  I can't remember how god. I got living failures next metal. Oh my god.  It's almost dangerous. Wouldn't you say do look at him?  Oh You spam roll and it's too late because every late game enemy in blood well in souls born games I want to say more with blood born. I notice that they they don't take a lot of health off you with one hit rather They stun lock you with multiple hits. So it comes across as fair when it's not And I know I knew someone was saying you ran into the gank wall. It's your fault They have the capacity to stun lock me. That is the problem.  Uh, right behind you on the flank all dingle Oh, it's this way and this is the one where I need to drop onto him, right? Yeah At least I'm stocked up on but can you not rude? What kind of not what is this place? All right, did he like stab an anticipation of where you were going to be? Just watch what happens, right? Just enjoy that. Wait, what what what what?   Do you mean just the weapons go through walls? The enemy can't see you but enemies don't operate from Oh, yeah Yeah, okay, I get it. I'm confused God these these are all cancer Oh, great. Why does he have a magic mirror? I think that's not fair Magic Michael is a cheater. You can't do that Yeah, it's really fun when that happens Yeah, I I hate that in video games where you're like, I am clearly I no don't run away All I'm trying to do is set up Yeah, I'm just trying to set up a pathway to the living failures boss. That's all I want to do. I don't even know how I shouldn't have had him probably a mistake Wait, I don't know where he went now.   Metal as well when I hear meadow screaming. I'm like, all right Let me pull up that. Let me see what's happening.  I'm looking up Why is he not? Why is he not down there? I'm very confused. At least I opened a door to somewhere What is your favorite class or discipline of magic like summoning, warding, etc? I've always kind of like uh, like uh, like illusion stuff like being able to play with You know illusions and create images and sounds and You know being tricky and that sort of thing. Uh, I always thought that was kind of cool how that could be used Yeah, I think the reward cleverness and a good are you absolute cock That guy looked like he was like you go get me. I'm going jump.   I'm fine. Okay. I got it. Okay.  I don't know. Maybe like witcher Here we go. This is kind of cool Then again, I like it how in like done like a dnd and pathfinder magic is something that you can just learn It's a part of the world people are familiar with and you could you could learn it It's a thing you could study and become adept with Now rags is it worth it to upgrade your guild war's account?  It's very useful You get a huge chunk of the game arguably a the biggest toward the game And the specializations and everything that I just stuck Wow That was some careful metal don't stay too far away from him You'll do the things Just be careful. That's all I'm saying He's gonna stop knocking him in the corner.    Well, okay. Wait a second. There was a very good boss. Mel.   I didn't need to fight this boss four times. Yep. That is definitely a plus Rags remember when gendalf says they say no living man can kill him they can get assumed that it's just story Yeah, I I do remember I uh, I guess you weren't here, but I made that exact same observation Well, no, why would you say that unless it's 100% true? I guess I just have to use a bolt on this box. I'm not seeing how it's supposed to get out of you Uh, wait, where are you?  Just don't I don't I'm pretty sure there's uh, there's a way out from everywhere I mean to be honest with you dying is a decent way out too. So Oh, yeah, it's uh, I mean, I would I would say it's quick, but you have to load so it's not Yeah count is actually using one of no, it doesn't good There's a trap Consoles are slow Yeah, but remember wait for greatness. All right. I'm patient only only took them great generations for bloodborne that bloodborne greatness Yeah, that 30 fps great for waiting I just want to play all the good bosses and don't do the other ones I think 30 fps like it's it's always assumed that But like the reality of saying 30 fps is that's a max 30 fps max max. That's right. That's case scenario It's 30. That's how do I get it? Oh, there we go. Okay. What is it gets on the upside? I remember seeing like digital foundry.  Oh, it's all right. It's it's all this is the thing Taking the time to kill them all is not something any reasonable person does because you have to do that every single time You know through otherwise So you have to figure out how to bounce around them and when you have enemies to go And then if you can't avoid that one we dodge into another one going It's just like oh, this is just fun My favorite part is how when these guys explode they um, they drop the frame rate to at least they're dead So it's not really a problem anymore I like aerogon magic in particular because it facilitates my intergrammer not see yeah, one of the nifty details about um Aragon magic is that you don't have to say the magic words to make the magic happen But it helps your mind to focus specifically on what you've just said So you don't actually think the wrong thing And end up accidentally Targeting yourself or getting a detail incorrect So you say it out loud so your mind focuses on what you say Um because it's very easy to kill yourself with magic in the aerogon system in a super glass cannon Oh rags and company, uh, which is better or do you like more helms deep or pelan or fields? I prefer pelan or fields. So we have a nice Yeah, I just I think I mean the charge is kind of is incredible Whoa mollard that jump with a guy very cool Cinematic but rags human eyes can only see it 24 prophecies per second.  I took his bullets wait What but if it's not a desert eagle and it can't shoot through anything, then I don't that's true. Yeah Why would they write that Oh, this was where I was supposed to go. Okay Big bullets could shoot through There's a eagle can't shoot The human leg can only hear at 480p. Yeah, it's a tragedy, but yeah I do love that whole conversation like the human eye can only see it 24 frames per second. It's like you don't realize like The standard television is 60 Hertz. Yeah, why is that if if not, why is it that certain things are broadcast to the higher frame rate? It's the wrong I mean even as a kid I didn't fully like I remember there was a soap opera that was on tv And like it used to run it's like 48 frames run. It was shot at 48 frames per second Yeah, and then it went to 24 and immediately I'm like something's different here different. I don't know what it is It's smoother, but it's different and I don't know what it is Oh, well for me It was that everything was moving a little slower that was that was like the thing I noticed Because I think that's the thing with like a higher frame rate is it for some reason it makes things look like they're going faster um Yeah, um My first introduction to it that I can remember is that the The first bioshot game on the xbox 360 had an option Where it would run at 60 fps But it it said it would look it wouldn't look as good that it ran its performance was better Right and it looked almost identical to me at the time But it ran at 60 fps instead of 30 and I was like what if this is just so much better But I had no idea what like frames per second and stuff was at the time I had no idea what it was. I just knew it was better Well, later I learned that it was the frame rate I feel like that's the like because I remember like when you play cool with judy You know back on ps3 and 360s like these games like there's something about them that is different from like other games Yeah, yeah, uh battlefield fortunately improved on that later on but it's like there's something Difference things are running differently, and I'm not Oh stupid dog Yeah, you don't know like most adults probably like the normal adult doesn't know about like but they feel the difference That's the important part. They feel the difference. That's all that matters The human eye sees at 60 fps. I'm pretty sure the human eye can perceive a lot higher than 60 I mean, why is it that 144 hertz is a thing? If not that people can perceive the difference Oh, yeah, like they you definitely can um Have you ever been you can't you can't say see it's able to some people can't even see yet. That's true.  Yeah, they they would run it like 60 hertz as far as I know Um, this whole 30 fps thing that was not the standard in games until it wasn't whatever console generation It was was just 3 360 I think uh, because what do you notice in our ps2 game cubers that Now it's like oh now games can look good and run well and you see that in a lot of things I'm pretty sure like ratcheting clank absolutely ran at 60 fps devil may cry ran at 60 fps jack and dax to jack So when jack 3 ran at 60 fps And those games look really good the least of it, you know the time I think metroid prime i'm super smash brothers melee app definitely ran at 60 fps I think um Did metroid prime run at 60 fps or am I like because I only played the trilogy. I can't quite remember Let me look at that It wouldn't surprise me nintendo has always put a priority on performance over gameplay performance over Over on graphics All right, so this was This was a neo gaff in 2014 right I can't get over metroid prime being 60 fps Um, I mean wow, I'm assuming prime 2 and 3 were at least targeting 60 fps How can such a graphically intensive game for the game cube have such a frame rate especially prime 2? It's probably because you're only having one room loaded at once Yeah Like the game some doors in that game. Yeah, you're constantly always Yes, why did you attack me? Oh, this is not what I wanted Yeah, you just No, no, no All right, let me pull that out. Let's see what happens to you Oh, no What did you do? I remember farming souls here.  That's pretty good Rags, have you ever been injured shooting and or shot a gun that was a little too much for you? No. Oh, the only injury I've sustained with firearms is from Uh, I cut my finger on the rim of a casing For my 1895 Nagant while I was trying to get it out of the cylinder because those old guns can be The cartridges can be kind of sticky in the cylinder if you uh, if they're not like lubed up properly sometimes I wonder if a crow has my acres Most likely All right. No, no, you aggroed way too early. No, I need you to kill the other ones Are yeah, but no, it looks uncomfortable thing.  Yeah, the little mackerel that shoots nine by 18 millimeter mackerel Yeah, that's the most uncomfortable gun that I have Uh, it to shoot when I'm prone with my air 15 and 762 by 39 though It could it could put a wallop in on your shoulder But froning is froning gives you the most the most uncomfortable way to shoot is froning So it's not really a surprise if you imagine dying to a mobile movie bob with 30 eyes That's uh, that's a lot of sunglasses Favorite quest from the witcher three including dlc's uh so far it's probably the The gontero dim stuff from hearts of stone No, it might no it was um Uh just second it was either that or It was through space and time the main quest in the witcher three That was really cool really kind of tricky and crazy.  Oh, there you go Thanks for getting my echoes Malin rags, are you planning to do willow for efat movies since lucas film is planning to make new movies slash Slash shows in the willow verse It's supposed we could We could I haven't seen it and I've heard all kinds of things about it with positive and I don't think it's very good It's very much beloved If prone is the least comfortable position for you if you're doing it wrong No, so that's just I don't know I don't have you ever shocked on the floor But when you're prone In your laying down and your body is lying on the ground for your mat When the gun hits your shoulder your body is not going anywhere When you're kneeling or when you're standing in the recoil hits your shoulder Your body has places to go to absorb the recoil. You can have space to dance But when you're prone your body doesn't go anywhere because you're laying down So you absorb all of basically all of the recoil of the rifle I could shoot those I could shoot that gun all day what my shoulder Standing, but if you prone, yeah, it's absolutely it impacts the whole lot for them So, yeah I've never shot a double barrel shotgun it would be kind of nice to um I would like to shoot Like a big like an ellipsoid hunting gun something Wow Automatic that'd be cool. I don't have any interest in buying an automatic weapon, but it'd be cool to just kind of unload the Can you recall rax? No, most most TVs are 60 hertz. Yeah TVs Yeah, when you buy a monitor you don't buy a monitor in 120 fps That's all everybody knew this You fool Interesting factoid rags the human eye can pick out in this place Uh apologies if people don't hear you guys got epic music right now Oh You're the fates Uh, it doesn't matter anymore, but what are the rules?   I mean I could no it's not even I couldn't even make that work There's like a bot. There's like ludwig in between Twice by the way mel you know, you know the living failures can launch Like little blasts.  Thanks Wow I think I know now. Yeah, no What was his name? That I said you couldn't live with you failure.  No, it's not about your arm It's about your shoulder. So your arms don't take the recoil Your shoulder does So when you're prone your body is more stable But the trade-off because everything's straight off the the negative of the stability you get from being prone Is that your body is more stable? So it doesn't give When the recoil of the rifle I'm most accurate when I am prone, but I absorb most of the recoil I'm prone as well. Unlike if you are standing where your body can give that because you are not stable Oh, I know where I want some now. I've got that if so many knowers watch out for that lady. Um, well Well, I'm put a wet dupe moist nose I think my friends have thought about this in particular life here is that my lock on is This I'm trying to play football on ps5. I think that you can play on ps5.  I don't know. I think there's like a Engulated version of this Which runs 60 fps. I think I'm not entirely sure how it works. So because I know that there are a decent number of ps4 games If you can play them on ps5, they just run 60 fps I'm glad that we finally came back with compatibility and you know, thank microsoft for that It's 30 fps at ps5. It's just at 4k. Oh the Hank fog I'm gonna put it onto my monitor. It doesn't have 4k. Awesome All right wet nurse time She just wanted to kill me I'm afraid you're vitality I have 40 vitality. That's Yeah I think it's that's the the the soft cap, right 40 Yeah, hey is this hey mom boss about us is this e-papper's bosses? I think so I've never seen her have wanted to kill me or um, please don't cite nintendo as a good example of backwards compatibility, there is no reason why this switch shouldn't have n64 games or even games Especially because you could buy them on the digital store Well, it's just like there should be a virtual. I mean and look at how long it took them to do the ss He took them ages Like oh hey, you can play as game like who wants to Like i'm sorry, but like games didn't start getting good until I think ss s I feel like before that there's way too safe You just wow you think that's me?  I'm a little like, you know, the super mario Double headbutt Did kill you no It seems more like fighting The ones I've been playing or my main is a reaper you call the main I have a And Oh that was a good fight honestly living failures is probably my favorite boss in the whole game right now You're kidding though, right? No, that was really engaging and it felt fair. Oh, okay, and it was stressful It looks like you had room to maneuver and you could pick your targets and Really satisfying you have something in the middle you can hide behind when they start shooting projectiles at you Mm-hmm. Oh, but by the way another generalization by the way, I'm sure that there are good games on n. Yes I just can't think of many of them Like it's also the super mario world two on the snes originally Yeah, I think it was super mario world was the first one. All right I guess train one not to get my related on game boys when I first played it I guess the problem is it's like would you rather play metroid one or super metroid? It's like well, I'd rather play super metroid. Would you rather play super mario brothers or super mario world? I'd rather play world I don't have much exposure to zelda, but if it's like okay the first one or a link to the past It's like I think I'd rather play a link to the past Like I just Whether or not the games that were on it were good. I just Feel like the the ones that came out in snes were just superior Oh and if people were saying that ragdoll think it's super mario brothers three Which you probably were super mario? That one is good. Actually, yeah So super mario bros. Let's oh, yeah, I am thinking it was a weird co-op one Uh Three it was so super mario brothers two was released in the west. It was a port of a This is a hot take.  We what are we talking about? Uh, I was talking about how Oh, I'm I'm up so I'm thinking of super mario. So I'm thinking of super mario world Which was on the snes Which is Also, which was also on the okay. So I'm thinking of four. I don't know why I was thinking about two for some reason What are you talking about three right? No, um No, because I'm looking it up. I just went through it on google So super mario three is the one where he's got the tail and the ears on the front. That's an oaky suit one. Yeah All right, so that's three. I've never played that and then I type in super mario bros four And it shows up as super mario world because there is no such thing as There's no such thing as super mario brother sport Okay, that is a but my dad is being a piece of chess with me right now I guess that's where the confusion set in Basically, but basically the the general point I'm making is that I would say that Right chat. Here we go maria Like oh, all right now we're getting somewhere um, like we can have games that actually look nice and um, we can build these bigger worlds and um And sort of add these new mechanics in If he was like Every game that was on the nes would improve substantially when it was put on the snes effectively Like that every single version was better Fucking hate my chair Man fighting in the winter with no blood vials The man did not beat ergo first try but listen, it's a baby.     Yeah, I'm heading back to old yonan to uh, yonan central. Yeah to get that stuff I have none and I have no one Don't worry chat I intend to get better I like how they keep attacking when you're dead. They're just like Losing you've been rushing from this game like a madman just just don't Don't what Your chance We'll just start tracing you now because you've uh Died to the boss now. I mean I made a whole bunch of mistakes in that fight though. It's fair I'll let him have it on this one. Don't worry. I'll let you know when I feel it's unfair chat as I have throughout this game Humble break. I'm such Buddhism Like I should be doing more I will be done. I'm on the two so it's not half right. So you beat me. That's fine. That sounds good to me I think one of the interesting things when it comes to 8-bit games is you look at stuff like shovel nine It's like it's attempting to emulate what you thought 8-bit was but it clearly couldn't have been an 8-bit game You know what? I mean like Like it it goes for that style in the music the art style which is cool and everything But like the game is mechanically a lot more complex than a lot of 8-bit games could have really been when they came out I feel like that's a really good example of trying to Achieve the feel of what you would expect from that without actually doing it, you know that when they talk about like Oh, well, you know trying to appeal to how people remember that I think that's a good example and messenger is another one But like messenger becomes a lot cooler in my view when it when it pulls in the 16-bit stuff man time in parries is like The window is just so tight That was way off That was close Oh, of course for me, she does the shadow thing because fuck me, right? I'm not getting a green green. It's weird how when she like brings both of her swords up And you clearly hit her with the shot like nothing happens. She just hits you The gun is really like it's much more for parrot damages and really a thing with the guns in this game They're more of a utility thing Weird as that sounds then you think that, you know, I damage or not you think that hitting her when she was vulnerable I found it was like stop for animation Yeah That was good. I forgot how long shadow face aches Stop Because it's like it's just risk-based rewards sort of thing if I can negate the damage and deal more to her That'll be great for me Like I don't have the music on like the music is coming through on the stream But I've got my I'm missing all of these great tunes No, they don't come through the microphone. Oh, I'm out of bullets.  In other words, making it feel like a real progression So you have to get better at things as you do them Uh Experiment oblivion the way that you like want to fight Oh, Maria is one of the best bosses across the summer's games.  Like that's always a good thing to see Um, don't get created on metal. Don't do it Against Mogo's wet nurse. What is that? Why do all the monsters in this game just have big things? If you read the lore, it all makes sense I feel like it's because the ps4 could handle it well barely, but could handle this It's funny. I performed the best on her third phase like her first and second I was pretty bad, but the third phase did really well somehow You beat her already?  That's a weird thing where I just need to wait for a couple of seconds Oh, yeah, might take ages on that one I don't know if it's the same every time, but I did way more damage than you did as well Because your third stage You try to parry too much more. Yeah, and once I took my bullets away and I started concentrating on dodging instead I think I started getting better I like parrying. It's cool Give me a loan Good thing it wasn't the first try imagine losing to her. Ma my chat is mean Welcome on metal uh Well, that's wet nurse what in theory the next one could be german, right?  I'm still gonna go inside though Let's see there are games that make grinding entertaining to some people and I most thrive on switch people Yeah, it's about execution like like that's why the whole Skyrim thing of like it's a meme that you craft like a bajillion um Like iron daggers, right? You just keep crafting iron daggers a huge mountains of iron daggers and now you're rank 100 You could craft anything because you crafted a bajillion iron daggers instead of you should just be good at crafting iron daggers um in The overall is too crafting is pretty good in the sense that you look you can only level it up by doing new things And progressing to the next rank of things to do so you can't craft low level stuff Over and over and over again because those no longer give you experience um But in terms of leveling up. Oh here we go It's most realistic when you have to do things to get better at them but in a game there's something that's kind of Like you don't have to but that's the most realistic way to do it Uh, that's why you weren't using the cleric beast bridge farm by it.  I feel I had I skipped cleric beast and just in the beginning And I just grabbed a doll out for it to compensate for the soul of the echoes That worked well until the shadow of yarnum the shadows of yarnum, which absolutely destroyed my my buttocks I should have just went for all of vitality in the beginning as I plan to I arrived from the plan and if I could fit me in the ass Oh good. Oh, just good. Oh my god.  I'm gonna go beat cleric beast now If you hadn't transported into a souls born game, but got to choose which one which one would you choose? So they're all horrifying worlds.  All right, let it be said that fringy is currently ahead of metal No Because I don't know why Or tier that was gumbo. I'm just gonna go ahead and run past all these fellas don't mind me This is all fucking I'm going off like a vague visual of in my head of where I'm supposed to go because I really don't quite remember Okay, this is something Now I've just noticed that a lot of these bosses lead to dead ends Which is interesting compared to like dark souls where a lot of the bosses don't lead to dead ends They like actually go to a place Where there are other things to see and do No, all right, which Oh, that's probably on the way who would win? Uh rags and company who would win the ins or the muma keel? Oh, the imps is in the imperials The ants. Oh, sorry I don't know what the ends are gonna be doing throwing stones at them.  I wasn't even looking at his health bar What's that Well, now i'm ahead of fringy All right Well, fringy it was a long-earned second place, but it is now gone Yeah, totally evaporated Oh man, I earned us both out echoes I'm going to make an in detailed argument about the nausea goal on r slash mauler I'm just gonna look. I'm gonna be honest with you.  Also, you're wrong, but I don't care No, you do care rags Oh, I care a whole bunch.  I'll check out the orphan, of course.  So this is cause let me let me hear this Yeah, this one's pretty funny funny Wow, the sounds like jeez just squelchy blood-borne It's it doesn't shy away from it's Brutality that resident evil for kind of noise It's funny that the tone of the violence or gore in blood-borne is so dissimilar from a resident evil type game Like in this it's much more of a tragedy Yeah All the witch was only one away from dying Please don't what happens to this witch when I get it Oh, no, I think did I win?  Okay No, I I went what They're like we're running away.  I forgot no need to check rags versus that guy You should probably start it off by even clarifying what your position is And what I am very clear now at least point on what the actual argument is Yeah, because I think I'm confused on what you are trying to argue random person Thing I'm complaining something too long I'm not even complaining if anything. I'm trying to just say he's wasting his time Because I'm not gonna read it I'm trapped. No No No, all right. Oh just get off me. All right. Come on You don't have to do this. I'm not invested. I'm on a stream responding to a live chat.  Okay guys strictly sore cleaver Yeah, I'm very upset when they see that I've done that All right, so now that's fighting the real dark souls. He's fighting in chat Cam rags defeat the boss clearly you can never win against youtube chat All right Sounds pretty invested to me. So here's the thing. I just explained to you that I'm here anyway And I'm responding to a live chat as it occurs Rather casually in the case that I'm playing a game right now Just talking about it.  Like that's me caring Mandalorian is me caring about something The wibbly wobbly these chains doesn't mean I'm like super invested into it.  What does that mean? Hey, fringy, can I uh, I guess this was a super chat that came around the sonic times But edgy the hedgy ruined my love for dark creatures That's intolerable Damage shadow creatures Now I teleported I used to love dark creatures. This is the true first attempt. Okay the true Important that I specify that Is your weapon the upgrade by the way? Is it what? Is your weapon fully upgraded? Oh with a blood rocket Most of the yellow pools don't come to efat chat tomorrow Don't come to Hogwarts tomorrow.  I don't know Don't worry mal. It's being streamed. You can see it. Oh, I don't want to fight again Imagine losing to a baby Orphan even cringe Well, he's probably pretty pissed. He just woke up Sucky survived with one HP again. I'm at this part of my damage.  He's just cool to deal him. Yeah, I would agree It's an elemental demon by the looks of things Yeah, in the universe he's treated with what the copper response one should have to this beast if he was like Gray or something and talk about how he was really sad about everything then maybe He was an orphan or his father was some dark lord that he didn't really like Wait, doesn't it trigger the the other boss in there? Can you just grab it? I don't remember No, okay It always feels to me as if you deal less damage and bloodborne than in Dark Souls And I think it's because of how the boss's HP bar a little bit more. I'm not the only one Sorry, I'm about to hit phase two, which is much harder All right. Yeah, you need this item to use the the elevator later. All right If I do remember correcting myself I'm in Sia Phase two bitches Oh boy No I don't think everyone's been able to land a single hit. Oh, it was since I started the bolt paper Oh, jeez time bombs at me Shit Oh, that's a I I think I had A lot less health than I thought or something.  Yeah A blue gun No, he point blank you I I don't think the distance on those things actually changes damage for cost I could be wrong I think it's the fact that it's a code move and I would have tanked like Three of the four if you will I hate you often. I really like him. Oh wrong way It's pretty rare for a boss to have me so engaged even if I don't hit him for as much as like five minutes in a row I'm still just like Finding it very fun. Why am I going nuts to happen? All right? Oh Oh, why oh why?  Mando Mando, what are you doing? The point of laser is one of the best in game history Wait, who sorry? About orphan cost Yeah, I said orphan is one of the best classes in game history I would wanna hesitate saying something like that Well, this is such a high bar at that point So look at that Virgil and devil make five five. He was uh, he was a pretty good boss.  I think I was just salty that I didn't get the backstab Screw up on this hunter on I hello Hey, look man, I know it's convenient for you to just back out of a claim You don't back out and claim you don't care, but I'm still going to make a response because it's something Your fan base clearly care too I don't think they do at all actually I think like seven Well, they care they they don't probably don't care about the they care about just an argument is happening They don't actually care about the material that much like this specific little intricacy of the material that much But if it makes you feel better, sure I certainly hope that whatever your reddit post is is better than the piss poor nonsense You've been typing out in chat to lose the people are saying I don't care. I really don't care Yeah, I just It's just it's really simple.    Thanks very much Daft. I appreciate your appreciation. I really do immensely Speaking of a message like that. I got haymuller and I have the same birthday I don't know what to do with this information, but I like it seriously You guys have helped me through some bad lifetisms. Sorry. I can't give you guys more sad face um Very kind those are the best comments that I'm very happy that you're happy. Yes. Yeah like that is um What we call a win it is legitimately the best comments that we get or that I Think that we get are the ones where people say stuff like that like you guys really helped me Um, you guys, you know, you did something good for me, which is, you know Excellent. That's what I like to hear. That's the best. Oh, okay, I know me Now the second best thing is I love you so much take this pile of money In divided amongst yourselves with rags getting the largest share. That's my that's my number two favorite thing that people I like that a lot. That's just that rags gets most of it. Yeah, it's those are those are pretty good too Play track two game in my opinion. No, man. Keep kill me the witch king In my opinion, I'm no man I can't hear rags speaking because of molly dying noises. That's a sentence. No, it's the reeing of the orphan This is how e-fap in With thunderous reeing I think it's time for another viable verse indoor allegorical tale Oh, no And he went to was he he went to uh, bethany and lodge there. Yeah, think about it. Damn it. Yeah He went to bethany lodge there. It was a lot going on You see it talks about how people can like Traverse Distances how they can go from one location to another and Potentially at this location they go to They can lodge and what does that imply that they can either Be provided of lodging. They could earn The lodging themselves or others can So I I don't know what I'm meant to do now I kill the witch thing, but I'm not sure where I'm supposed to go I killed the witch and I don't want to go great great great. Very very great. I just said damn.  No, I haven't thunder Your book of random facts Oh that parry though So this is uh No Also, if there's a boss to get stuck on this is the the one I would like to get stuck on There are 1,218 peanuts in a single 28 ounce jar of jiff peanut butter Jim That's a lot I'm inclined to agree with that. I do think that's a lot That is a lot. Yeah Like when you hear those stats about how many bees have to work their entire lifetime to give you like a teaspoon of honey and stuff like that Fun fact echidnas have four johnsons That's true interesting That's a lot of the fringes. I would rather have one really good johnson than four Johnson, what are all really good though?  Here's a stonk thing. Yeah, read your math and uh, all right 100 shares of mcdonald stock purchased for $2,250 when first offered in 1965 was worth more than 1.4 million in 1995 30 years later Well, wow, uh, but also inflation, right?  I'm sure of it The infinite possibilities Oh nice, where am I? I'm somewhere at this wall. I think And I'm dead.  That'll take more of my money because you don't take two months to read them That is yeah, yeah That's racist And true Oh, I missed time to dodge on that one Uh, you should invite pro crass titara. She also does videos making fun of batwoman Philosophus 2 and cinema reberto. I think she'd be a good fit This is a good chance. Yeah Who knows? Um ruby of blue unironically thinks essay 2 is a well written game and made a two hour essay about it I say to Saints no Sandy anus 2 We don't want to get I tell you there's a lot of places you do not want sand and your anus is one of those places You do not want to you don't want a gritty butthole. Mm-hmm a gritty Not want a gritty butthole That is Nope, nope, nope, nope,