Okay guys, we're going live. Okay. Okay. It was just a random thought because you know, I installed it just to set up caffeine. Well, yeah, this is a good idea. Maybe that's how users can disable their extensions when 44 comes out. Yeah, it's a lot better than the official GNOME extension manager. Okay. All right. We need to go there. Yeah, we're there. I should probably get that. We're live. If anyone's in the chat right now, if we could get some nays on the audio, this is me speaking some words and if the audio levels are good, that'd be great. Josh, you speak some words. I'm speaking all the words in the world. I'm speaking more words in the last time and they are much more, they are just as creative as last week. You're awesome. And thank you. I'm talking to my winner right here. It's called a microphone. I didn't expect that coming out. Steve, you will avoid having loud inputs of air into your microphone if you point it at the corner of your mouth instead of speaking straight into it. Yeah, just slightly off to the side, just like that. Yeah. And then when you talk, just don't look directly at it. Okay. Or the pop filter.  But it will cover half my face because I have the beanie, because I'm cold, like... You want to talk about cold. I have to turn off heaters just to be in this podcast. Oh, I'm not turning mine off through that. It's like... It's fine. It's 40 degrees down here. Oh, it's actually 31 now, but it was like negative 10 overnight. It was. It was cold. It's supposed to be like 45 next week. It's dumb. Audio is broken. I think you guys are muted. I'm sorry. I'm not muted. Right above that. All good with audio. I think you're probably just have your headphones on wrong. He might have the YouTube video muted. Or you might be using a beta version of PipeWire or PipeWire on Debian Stable because I attempted that. It doesn't work. I see some audio good. Everything sounds good. I'm going to monetize one of those circles. I have circles for you guys. Excuse me. That said, just to preface this chat here before the show, there's a random chance that I might just disappear completely. I don't know yet. It's been working relatively reliably so far today. Okay. Okay. No. Just say that. It's definitely going to happen. Of course. See what was that. I just wanted to, before we start recording, wanted to ask you, how do you go about keeping your podcast?  You work on the local version and re-upload it? No. The live stream just stays up. That's it. Oh. He doesn't fix it. The only thing that I do is a couple hours later go through and put in some time steps so people can skip the pre-show if they want to. That's literally all I do. I used to pull it down, edit it, and post it back up on the day after, then patrons would get it a little bit early. That turned out to be too professional for them. Well, no. I hated the bifurcation of views. I'd get 1,200 views on the live stream and then I'd get another 8 or 900 or whatever it was at the time on the regular one, and I hated them being separate. I wanted them just to be all together, so I just do it this way. Now people are used to it, so this is the way I do it. It works. Oh, that is exactly the reason why I was asking, because the bifurcation of views, because on the last episode I re-uploaded it, I had 300 views on the live version, but only 100 on the edited version, so I'm like, bifurcation, but I have to. I cannot leave the one with all the missing subjects because of my ISP cutting me off in mid-conversation, so the live version will not be understandable. If I really cared about being a perfectionist on this, we just wouldn't do it live. We just record it and then I'd edit it and upload it. That's what I would do. I used to do it that way. I've considered just not doing it live, but the chat is fun. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. People enjoy it, so I just have learned to live with not being a perfectionist on the video version of the podcast. If people want perfection on the podcast, they'll listen to the audio version, which is edited for audio at least. Oh my God. My ISP is so bad right now. He's throttling me so bad that I'm getting the YouTube video that I'm watching in the background is 240p. Maybe save some bandwidth and not watch the YouTube video at the same time. Just pop out the chat and close the other window. But I want to see Matt's beautiful, lovely face. I know. I will get V4O loopback working this week if I have a chance. I promise. I'll do that instead of installing Gentoo tomorrow, which is what I was going to do. Oh, you're going to install Gentoo tomorrow? I was also going to install Gentoo tomorrow because this, this outbreak system I'm on is complete garbage. It doesn't even have the GNU core you tell. I don't understand how can I was curious. So here's the best thing about that, though, Josh, is that when someone tries to connect you and say, well, what you're really using is GNU slash Linux. No. Yeah, I'm just using Linux. There's no GNU here. I'm not even using Bash. It's awesome. OK, let's go ahead and get started. You guys got to record it. Recording apparatus. Things. Yes. Yes, record on three and you've and you've tested them, right? Well, yes, it that's the recording started. OK, I'm going to record in audacity. I'm going to record in OBS. Yeah, and seeing as how Tyler is not here. OK, now I stop recording, play back, recording, make sure it actually works. It works. This time around, my clap will will will will be clear. Good, because the last two times I have heard it at all. It's made a very I just line it up because that's that's the reason a good reason why I always had Steve Glass saying his name, because then I can put him. I know where his him saying his name is supposed to go. So I'm recording. You guys recording? Yeah, I'm recording. All right, Josh, lead us off on this on this on the slap or the clap. You have the least latency. OK, OK, OK. So we're going to do three to one, but we're going to do three to one imaginary zero and then clap just just to clarify this for everybody. Let's do this right the first time. Damn it, why is it always your three? OK, ready? Yeah, three, two, one. That's actually the closest we've ever got. Um, that's because I took the time to clarify first. I want to try this for a second time just to make sure I would know. I'm good. I would actually have just started to blame Tyler. If you if you hadn't said OK, it's still it still wasn't exact. Don't nobody in the in the in the in the chat tell me that you guys weren't even close, trust me. We were closer than we have ever gotten before. That's it's good enough. OK, I think I think I think it was last week could clap four times just to make sure. Yeah, all right, I can close that now. Let's let's go ahead and. Make sure everything is going the way it's supposed to go. I'm going to test the. The solo shots, they're not pretty. Unfortunately, I didn't have a chance to get a background. There is just to talk to chat here. Just to let you know, he put in this wonderful dynamic transformed during the center of the screen last week and it took a lot of effort for him to do that. And then this week, Zane decided they wasn't going to show up. So Matt then had to completely redo all of his transforms just for three of us to be here, which is why we don't have dynamically changing names between our name and our in like our relevant handles. Wow, Josh, wow, you're useful today. You're welcome. All right. I'm glad I'm useful for something other than trolling Steve. All right, let's go ahead and get started, fellas. All right. Me, Josh, Steve. Me, Josh, Steve. OK, Steve, I know you're always last. It's not a disc to use. Just then I know where to put you. OK, in case your clap doesn't come through. The older the people, the last. The old people are always last. We should. Well, this beauty before age, I guess. I don't know. We can't we can't say age before beauty because he's the oldest one. Your grandpa. It's all right. Hey, everybody, welcome to the next cast. I'm your host, Matt. And I'm Josh. And I'm Steve. Oh, yes, he is. All right. So if you're watching and you're listening, you may notice a difference here. Tyler is not here. He's on a Mickey Mouse cruise. He's not actually on a Mickey Mouse cruise. He's on some kind of like, I don't know what cruise he was on, but I made fun of him because I had hoped that he was on the Mickey Mouse cruise because that would have been highly entertaining and would have just led to many, many, many jokes. Like, what were you doing with that mouse there, Tyler? Yeah, so I can help. Anyways, he's on a cruise. He'll be gone this week and next week he will return, so don't worry about it. So that is the podcast we're going to leave now. I guess, I don't know. I miss him already. He's the one that keeps us together and on topic. So that's what you guys should expect from this. We're not going to be on topic. So this is a Linux cast. We talk about Linux-y things, and that's what we plan on doing today. We talk about, you know, the news and stuff like that. But first, Josh, what have you been doing this week in Linux? Well, you see, last week I decided I was going to install a development release of a distro just so that way I can actually, you know, mess around with, oh, apparently my camera's broken, but it's fine. But anyways, last week I installed OpenManDriver, the Cooker Edition, so I can look at the latest and greatest of KDE Plasma. So this week, in fact, this morning, because, you know, I decided I was going to install a RealMans operating system of Gen2 Linux again, and that failed miserably because I don't know how to set up an encrypted root file system, apparently, I decided, you know what? Last ditch effort, we looked at Plasma last week. Let's look at GNOME this week. So I installed the world's greatest operating system of GNOME OS, and that's where I'm talking to you now from. So there's a chance that because this is a development preview and it's not necessarily a real operating system that any logical person is supposed to use, there's a chance everything on my end might actually crash because, you know, I'm currently joining you guys through Epiphany, the world's greatest web browser, and by the way, Matt, you should probably look at it. I made a video on it. You should make an updated video because Matt is much better. Did they finally add... I know they were adding plugins, but when I trusted it, they hadn't added it yet. Are the plugins working yet? Extensions do exist. They exist. They're just not present. I got burned last week when I was using Vivaldi. I'm kind of very touchy when I'm using other browsers now. You see, the best thing right now is that you can actually play back YouTube videos with actual hardware acceleration. Oh, you mean it's not going to be like stop-bit motion anymore? Yeah. It's honestly like the second most flawless YouTube experience I've ever had without having to use Google Chrome. It is just below Firefox these days. Just barely. I think if you were actually to use GNOME, it probably would because it fits in very early, but only if you never use a browser. But anyways, so if you don't know what NOMOS is, I highly recommend that you install NOME boxes through Flatpak and tell it to install NOMOS for you. Don't do what I did install it on hardware because NOMOS is literally just enough operating system for NOME. Basically, there is no such thing as a package manager. It's a Linux-based distribution, which, by the way, as I discussed with Matt earlier, there are no GNU core utilities here. So I'm on a GNU-free system. So I am not using GNU slash Linux.  There is no, there is no GNU in my operating system. So I am using Linux. All right. Can we just talk about this for a second? Like, Linux developers, specifically distro-reveloper, distro and desktop environment developers have a serious problem.  We've got to be really careful talking about distro developers when there's one sitting right over there. See, he's got his arms clustered. Like, let me see what he's got to say about this now. Anyway, it was like, why, what was the purpose of creating your own thing for this? Like, NOMOS. It did not make any sense to me whatsoever. Just use, I mean, Fedora is already basically base vanilla GNOME. They make hardly any changes to it whatsoever out of the box. Why not just use Fedora? Even Katie Neon just used Ubuntu. They didn't create their own thing. Like, yeah, they've, they've decided to create their own package manager pkcon or whatever it's called, you know, whatever, but it still has apt install and still has like a new core utils and still pulls from the Ubuntu repositories and stuff like that. So, I mean, what was the purpose of creating a development platform separate from a different distribution? What could possibly be the development? I mean, because when you're creating a piece of software, what you want to do is test it on things, something that somebody's actually going to use, right? So, the main reason for NOMOS' existence is actually not intended for NOM itself. It's actually for extension maintainers and developers because it's a pre-compiled version of the next preview release of NOM. So, it's actually intended for extension developers to be able to pull that down and run it as in a virtual machine and be able to develop and maintain their extension for future versions of NOM. Because not every single extension developer is using anything like Fedora Rahide or like Arch Linux into testing repositories. That's really it. Right, but they could have just taken Fedora Rahide and just made it that their distro. I mean, they are using OS Tree, so there's a little bit of that. In this case, to me, it just did not make any sense to make anything new. But that's beside the point. Steve, what did you do this week in Linux? Me, this week, Linux. Maintain, work on zero Linux, of course, the NOM addition. He's working on zero hype or hypeX. No. I did it. I built one for myself already. It's done, but it's broken. It's not working 100% well. But I was working on zero G. But other than that, I was reading a lot on the Arch Wiki because I needed to understand more about what my distro is working on top of, which is Arch. So I wanted to know more about Arch and stop preaching to the users, RT FM, RT FM, when I didn't RT FM to begin with. So I was like, stop preaching and do what you're preaching. So yeah, that's what I've been doing with Linux for the past week and struggling with my ISP because when you want to go live, you don't want to go live with YouTube cutting you halfway because not enough data is being received when users and listeners will get half the subjects you're talking about. So yeah, nothing much. And I was working on some of your XFCE rice. I wanted to see if I can implement some of it into KDE, some of the ideas. Xerox OS. Xerox. Yeah. And then I have a lawsuit on my hands. Yeah. And I've been messing around with a few tools here and there and OBS, mainly OBS. OBS has been occupying most of my time because OBS is very sensitive when you use plugins that from the dark web, as I call them, from places that are not 100% supported, basically. I don't use a single OBS plugin. I don't either. I tried one that got merged into OBS itself and then I didn't need it anymore. I use two. I want to, but then I see they're written in Lua for the most part. I kind of want to. You can use Lua or Python to develop a plugin for OBS. I saw most of them are developed in Lua. Most of them are because, well, Lua is just a better language than Python when it comes in terms of performance. I don't have a rat in that race, but I would just say I don't like Lua. I like Python. I don't blame you. The plugin I was talking about was the way you can add per application audio. It's a pipe wire thing. Oh, that's cool. You can add per application audio. I tried using Jack. It's a nightmare, dude. You just create a Jack source in OBS and then use your patch bay and point the audio feed to it. Josh has all these words, but then he doesn't realize that those words don't really translate into things that I understand. That makes two of us, dude. I'll do a video on it just for you, Steve. Also, does Jack work on pipe wire? Yes. You can make it work on pipe wire, but it needs a lot of work. Why on earth, then, why do we need pipe wire? If all the same tools work and aren't just going to stay the same, don't answer that. I don't need to know. It doesn't matter. You're digging a deep hole right there. Pipe wire is latency free. Sure. No, but be able to add each application's audio instead of recording the desktop audio. That is amazing because the basic use of this one is you can record a game. Let's say you're playing a game. Instead of recording the desktop audio and have all your clackily-clacks and stop sound off or your Discord notifications sound out, you're just capturing the game audio. I would love that, because it wouldn't work because both your guys' audio is coming through Discord, but there are other applications that work. Just have Josh Cullen on Jitsi and Steve Fupe on Discord, and then we'll get Tyler to Cullen on Skype just to control it. Actually, I think Skype does actually channel an individual audio feed if you tell Skype to run through a Jack server, which pipe wire does act as a Jack server. Skype supports what is it? V, NVC, NVNC, something like that? I'm not sure if that's what it's called, and that will actually send out the actual video and audio stream, whereas Discord does not support that, and if it did support it, you'd need Nitro. You probably would need Nitro. The basic use for me that will allow me to plug another thing I'm working on is zero plays. Zero plays is going to be up to four hours of gameplay. It will allow me to capture just the game audio instead of getting the notifications in, but this plugin has been merged into OBS, but it's merged, but not yet public. I don't know what... It's there, it's accepted, it's all in green, they're waiting for one guy to finally do one thing to check, and it's out there in OBS, but it's still not out there. It's amazing. I thought about using the SNAP version of OBS because Martin Winpris packages that, and he has a ton of different plugins that he built right into that SNAP, but it's SNAP and I don't want to use SNAP, so that's not going to happen. Speaking of which, you are on Fedora. Since you're on Fedora, can't you add the Glorious Agro repositories and grab his OBS package, because it's an amazing package that I would like to port to Arch? I'm sure I probably could, yeah. I just used the regular standard Flappack. There's an OBS AUR build that has all the features. Don't. You know what I'm talking about, okay. Titan 652. Yeah, that one. Matt, since you're using OBS, if you're using the Flappack version of OBS, can you add some plugins through Flappack? I'm sure I can. I just haven't, because... I honestly think that you would love the motion animation plugin. Well, I always look at some of them very, you know, I really want to use them, but then I have so many problems with OBS as it is. It feels like almost like using mods on games in Skypes. Mods are really cool in Steam and, you know, especially city Skylines, which is the game I played the most often on Steam. I use a ton of mods, but they crash the game all the time. That's what I worried about with OBS. Like, if I add... I know if I add one plugin I'm going to add a whole bunch of plugins and then there's going to be two plugins that don't work really well together and then it's going to crash midway through the stream and then I'm going to be scorned. You are not wrong, Matt. You are not wrong. I am. I can attest to that. But there's one thing, we're talking about flatpacks. There's one thing reviewers, like yourself and others keep saying about flatpacks, which isn't true. It might be true for some packages, but it's not true for all of them. Like, you can do flatpack install OBS. You don't need to know the full org.com. Whatever. Full package name. For some of them you do, but not all of them. For some of them you'd need because they have convoluted names. I said that, but that was like two years ago. So you can't hold me to that stuff. Yeah. It was true back then, too. Yeah. The way I do it, I just install zonotic yesterday because I have a game to play with someone. I type flatpack install zonotic and install zonotic. That works sometimes. But also sometimes that doesn't, I mean it works, but say for example OBS you type in 12 different ones and you have to search through the ones. 12? No.  Well, I can find out real quick for you. Let's do a bust out this here. Let's do a flatpack search OBS. There are 47 options. Right, and the problem is is that they're in a different order every time you do it. Yep, that's correct. So you can't just memorize like hey it's always two. I found that it most usually is two, but sometimes it's not two and then you end up installing something that's not what you're supposed to. But that has an argument. If you don't do it that way it will not show you the plugins for OBS. You want to use plugins. You have to type flatpack and install OBS to get the plugins. Show everything just put them in alphabetical order. You know what I mean? Yeah, literally all I'm asking. Hey, you know what? We're already off on a tangent and well, let's take a moment and ask Matt, what did you do in Linux this week? Yeah. Alright, so I'm not going to talk about that. Instead I'm going to talk about what I'm going to do tomorrow. I'm installing Gen2 tomorrow. That's my plan. And I'm going to do it all by myself. That's the reason why I want to do this is I actually want to go through the Gen2 wiki or documentation, whatever, install it by myself. Because you Todd, Josh, you and Ben always have things, I mean you guys know how to do it and you know what to... We have opinions and Gen2 allows opinions, so I understand. So I want to actually follow the guide for once and read through why you need to do each thing, why you don't need to do some things or whatever. Because when I do it from you guys, I just kind of skip the rationale between each step and just copy and paste the commands and I don't want to do that. So I'm going to install it all by myself and we'll see how it goes. I'm not wiping out Fedora. We don't have to worry about that. I'll actually probably do it. I was just going to say that. I was like, you're wiping Fedora? No. My plan is just to do it from Fedora. I can install it through Fedora and just onto my other hard drive. That's my plan. Well Matt just to let you know, even though it boosts, that doesn't mean that you're not installing Gen2. It's actually about a three week process before you can actually say that you successfully installed Gen2. Well I know that that's true because half of the time, because you still have to do all the... You have to do all the use flags, recompiles, all the little tinkering. And struggle with Debuss for at least half a day. Because you know that's going to happen every single time. Anyways, I'm sorry, Matt, but by yourself, I don't recommend it. Thank you, Ben. Matt, if anything, I do recommend that you at least have the IRC chat room connected to Libera chat and you're sitting in the Gen2 chat room. That way if you do have issues, you can ask in there and just go like, hey, I'm getting this dependency conflict. Hey, what can any of you help me figure this out? At least be able to do that. My purpose isn't necessarily to even get to a finished system. I just want to try it and learn some stuff. If I fail, I'll start over again. That's the fun thing. Anyways, that's what I plan on doing for tomorrow. Let's go ahead then and move on to what we're actually supposed to be talking about. But that's okay. We had some good conversations there. Let's see here, Josh, why don't you tell us your first news item of the week? If you guys know anything about Linux, Linux is all about community and collaborative work, which as a result, one of the most important features for anybody that uses Linux for media content creation or media viewing or consumption or anything like that are happy to see that Red Hat is officially hosting a HackFest for implementing HDR support on Linux.  You know, just like to good old days. And of course as a person that doesn't have an HDR compatible device, I have no idea what HDR actually looks like, but nonetheless I'm told that high dynamic range viewership is amazing to look at and very beautiful. So I'm excited to have a prettier screen. But this is cool. It is cool. It is cool. And of course honestly like it's a feature that we've needed to be working on and I'm glad that we're finally getting around to it. I know that there was some news recently about Valve hiring some guy to work on HDR, but I think it was last year or two years ago Carlos Soriano it was actually hired by Red Hat to work on or not Carlos but Sebastian Wick was hired by Red Hat to work on HDR support and he has actually gotten a relatively decent framework to be able to get the implementation in there. It's just that he needs help because he's literally been the one guy working on HDR support which to my understanding is a very complicated thing to be able to set up. So it's honestly like he's needed help and Valve investing into it now that's pretty big because you know people like their video games when they're pretty. This is going to be Wayland, right? It probably will be Wayland. It's probably not going to be back ported to Xorg anytime soon but to my understanding from what I know of HDR is primarily a driver implementation so it might work on Xorg. I don't know. Cool. I have no interest in HDR whatsoever because it probably can be able to tell the difference because it's crappy monitors but it's cool for those people who have HDR. Well HDR I see this whole idea behind HDR a bit weird because very few people can see HDR can benefit from HDR I mean you need to have a TV with HDR support which is not easy to get you have to have a monitor with HDR support which is expensive to get so HDR is for those people who love the eye candy. It used to be the same case for High Definition too. High Definition was easier to get than HDR is today. Not when it first came out when HDR first came out it was really freaking expensive I mean like you go to the store and you have like four or five thousand dollars for a TV it definitely has come down in price and HDR stuff will too but I don't think and this is where you're right Steve is that the difference between standard definition and high definition was so vast that I mean if you stared between two TVs one was HD you could tell the difference everyone could tell the difference whereas with non-HDR and regular HDR that's really going to depend on the monitor or the TV because it's going to depend on the brightness of the display the environment that you're in because it requires like a 2,000 nits or something like that I don't know what the actual number is but it requires a huge amount of brightness and if you're in a bright room or whatever it makes very little difference from what I've read that's actually turn on I have HDR TV I can tell you the difference okay I come from a cinema background grandfather my sister is a director my best friend is a director everybody is in the cinema world but from a perspective it's like talking to a normal person and an audio file when it comes to audio if you come to me and you ask me is the difference between regular and HDR worth it I would say if you're a regular person no it's not worth it if you are how we say it in French if you're a content creator it's probably a fantastic thing to have a content creator or a cinema lover or a visual lover like me for example when it comes to anamorphic white screen people keep fighting me I don't want to see black bars on top and bottom they crop the image they mess it up and they lose like 60% of the image just because they hate black bars same thing with HDR to me it's the same thing don't get rid of HDR for me but for a regular person they're not going to notice the difference on the contrary they're going to hate HDR because HDR is a little bit darker a little bit more more tone neutral if I could say it would seem weird to the user and no unless you are a person who is immersed into cinematography and understand the science of the image like why noise is necessary grain noise whatever you want to call it is necessary to feel the analog aspect of the image if you don't understand all that then HDR is not for you just watch regular content I see a lot of people downloading movies that are 350 megabytes in size and they're okay with it why introduce HDR to those people and those people are the majority not the minority not to say bandwidth they just download it because they just want to watch the movie and get it over with I don't care what the image looks like the highest I mean that's the reason why 4K exists because most people maybe not most people but if people it's a hype thing I can tell the difference between 4K and HD but the difference between 4K and HD is not so great that I care to download 80 gigabytes for a youtube video exactly well I know it's not that high but you know what I mean both either buy or download movies that are 4K remux when you see the word remux in the name that means it's uncompressed it's as it is from the disc to the MKV format it's as is untouched uncompressed that's the ones I download and sometimes they reach as high as 170 to 200 gigabytes in size depends on the length of the movie of course but like Ben Hur when the 4K release comes out no it did come out it's one of the best remasters ever made in 4K remember remember back when you used to be able to there were some movies that were so long that came on 2 VHS tapes for sure like the titanic came that way the titanic came on too I think there were some early versions of 2 versions of titanic there was a long play version on VHS the lord of the rings trilogy is on I think to return the king is on like 3 VHS tapes for the directors cut well the even on DVD the lord of the rings came in on too that's fairly recently within the last 15 years there was a movie called Gangs of New York had Daniel Day Lewis and Leonardo DiCaprio that came out on 2 DVDs and that wasn't even an extended cut that was just the movie the lord of the rings extended Blu-rays came on 3 Blu-rays but anyways when it comes on to HDR I'm just glad that we're getting support for it that's what I'm most excited about it's not like I actually plan to use it but one of these days 10 years in the future I might have an HDR display and a fully HDR compatible system and I'd be excited with my operating system eventually they're going to find a standard that works for everybody and it will filter down into the just like RGB it will just come down and it will be a thing that you have it's a technology they're coming up with it right now because gaming gaming and HDR is different while video games have pushed so much 3D acceleration technology it's insane gaming and porn have always pushed the display technology porn has pushed video camera technology not necessarily 3D graphics hey you wanna know what anyways probably should not go into that discussion there the internet is made for porn Steve your first link of the week my first link of the week is budgie10.7 is out for someone who doesn't use budgie or has ever used budgie I've been following the news that's as far as I went with budgie but I kinda like it as opposed to gnome because they do things a little bit better than gnome that I'm gonna keep it very simple but budgie desktop lead developer Joshua Straubel announced that the general availability of budgie10.7 as the latest stable update well the changes it makes it makes a lot of big changes in this one the budgie menu receive user menu this feature this time around that promises to let you open file managers straight to predefined directories like home documents we had those on a lot of desktop environments but why we didn't have them on budgie I don't know don't they just use nautilus budgie used to use nautilus but in this release they're changing the default file manager from nautilus I think they're actually using nemo nowadays yes they are that's better than nautilus well anything first of all anything is better than nautilus so let's not what do you mean nautilus is an amazing file manager he handles my desktop icons for me wake up until like half a month ago I didn't even have a tree view or whatever it was alright so I have two things to say about this first budgie11 is at least five years away that's my bet they've been touting budgie11 since 2017 at least when I first started using linux they were planning on budgie11 it's still not here it probably is never going to be here I'm sorry the developer guy is really really friendly he's very reactive in the community but that thing is never coming the second thing that I had to say is that man do I really wish budgie used just one settings panel they're always bugging like they have two different that is something I asked josh strobel directly on master on he said that yes there will be one settings panel for everything in budgie11 now you'll get the future you'll get the future that you want in the version that never comes the thing that I know they're switching between frameworks and stuff and that takes time but jeez apiece yeah but it hasn't been recently somebody leaving budgie and so budgie used to be part of the soulless project yeah and then they had they're now separate they're not separate which basically means that you have no reason to run soulless anymore well I mean I don't know that you ever had a good reason to run it to begin with their repositories are not are not good better than some distrust I could actually make an argument for soulless two years ago but nowadays there's no reason to we don't have to get into that conversation soulless is a fine distribution but it's not very it's just not something that I could recommend to most people so they have separated out I don't know if this is true or not but do you guys think that it's just josh over there developing this thing it just feels like it's just now just him he's like the most public public face there are there are some people that are working on it he's kind of like the Nicolo of of budgie he's the public figure of budgie where is their website they have a whole list of the developers budgiesofbudgie.org let's see where is this GitHub link primary contributors it is yeah so it's primarily josh strobel and then there's actually another guy named Campbell Jones that's working on it but the Campbell Jones hasn't always been a very public kind of person I think he does he has written a couple of the blog posts but primarily it's josh most of the commits are by josh no I think so but yeah and the fact that their power dialogue was hidden well that's accessible and now it's more accessible I think they're they were a little bit late to the game kind of I don't know well their biggest issue alright so this has always been budgie's issues that they changed it's like they have ADD they've changed things over and now they've changed file managers you know and they're changing from GTK to EFL and the rich I mean the thing with their frameworks is they've been GTK you know since the beginning then they decided that they're going to change to QT and that didn't work out and then they got pissed off at GTK again so now they're switching to EFL and they've done that with a lot of their decisions where it just feels like they've moved between and made different decisions on a whim sometimes they kind of remind me of someone I know me I mean there's nothing wrong with it it just prevents them from ever getting to you know the next version which is fine but you know it's just the way they work so I actually haven't used budgie in at least a year I should definitely check it out again because it does it's one of those desktop environments that has potential because it's just different enough from Genome but it uses and there's still GTK3 not GTK4 there's no chance of them getting GTK4 because they're working on EFL now yeah it's the same issue that Cinnamon runs into where it's like the Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome 30 actually I think it's a fork of Gnome 3.20 so like their window manager Mudder is based off of Mudder 3.22 and it is so old at this point just like the Cinnamon I'm pretty sure they just fixed that Mudder 3.28 is to me from my testing on ZeroG is still more stable than the latest Mudder because the latest Mudder and Mesa are not cohesive they're not friends they're like opposite sides of them similar sides of the magnet they keep pushing keep pushing each other out so it's like Mudder updates Mesa breaks Mesa updates Mudder breaks when you run a system like Nelmo as you don't have to worry about that because so far Mudder has been the most stable thing in my operating system compared to everything else okay maybe you don't have Mesa I don't think I do there you go as soon as you install Mesa the problem will start and the fact that Budgie just introduced in 10.7 a screenshot tool that is as easy to use as Gnome's version or KDE's version it makes me feel they're kind of okay it's a nice change for the people who use they're playing a lot of catch but not a whole lot of innovation especially when there's no reason for them to have spent time on that when they could have just used the Gnome I know why they don't because they don't like Gnome we have other screenshot tools that are really good like Flamestot exists and is fantastic we should just use that there is one good thing I need to I can say however about the 10.7 version because I tested it in a VM curiosity their indexer is much quicker than the new indexer that they introduced in 10.7 is way quicker than Gnome's and KDE's because KDE's that's why because KDE's Baloo is the first thing I disable when I install the first thing that I disabled on Zero Linux because Baloo, especially when you install on spinning hard drives renders everything very less responsive because it's constantly indexing everything you every single file that you copy and paste and you move around it's a nightmare but their implementation you barely feel it I don't know how they did it maybe it's in C like you said I'm not a developer so I don't know so and they made performance and another thing that is good they made performance much much better on a cold boot I got it to it was using like around 520 megs in the VM so it might be using less on real hardware so that's about it other than that not many changes they stuck to the safe end of things which on a side note I wanted to ask you guys and the chat what since I'm a distro developer is a distro that has reached its peak or potential you heard me ask that question on my discord on my podcast but if I say it reached what I set out to reach would you still be downloading just the version or let's say bug fix release or it would lose its I still think that as a distro developer you should still push out releases even if they're just bug fixes because that makes the out of the box experience better I'm not saying I will stop I understand just bug release bug fix releases better than no releases of course but if it doesn't have any changing it's the same situation as to why people still use XFCE because how often does XFCE actually update Matt more often than usual it has updated more often lately but how often has it historically updated almost never there was a period of time where you went 3.5 solid years without a single XFCE blog post 4.14 or whatever 4.12 or whatever it was we had 4.12 for a very long time where Debian Stable had the most modern version of XFCE it's just one dude it's basically just one guy that does it same like me so will it lose its pizzazz charm XFCE is a fantastic example it stayed the same since the 90s it hasn't changed and yet they're still upgrading it and they're updating packages that's all they're doing they're not making major changes now they are because 4.20 hey don't preempt the next news there douche ok ok ok but in general what I'm saying is I can continue releasing bug fix updates without worrying about it losing its charm that's what I'm asking I think that it depends it depends on what you're known for like XFCE is known for not changing if plasma stopped pushing out brand new features it would no longer be what people expect to be of plasma plasma is supposed to get a whole bunch of new features every time it does release and if I would love for them to say hey we're gonna just take a year off from new features and we're gonna fix all the bugs that's what I would love but the vast majority of that community expects every time Nate releases a blog post to say hey here's five new features I'll be shipping all the plasma updates that plasma pushes but me like special features by me the vast majority of people once they have your distro installed I mean if they're gonna just stick on that distro no longer care about the distrust features realistically it's just advertising for the brand new user that you're doing at that point I still think that's a worthwhile endeavor you should never not support the brand new user plus always getting better making your installer better making it look nicer and stuff like that and also because you ship with a desktop environment that changes all the time and you know we'll have new looks and stuff like that there's nothing wrong except except for no right well yeah well but even even GNOME has changed over the course of the last 10 years it's been a big change this past year alone and though it's changed so I mean sure you could stay the same for a little while but eventually something in the desktop environment that you use is going to prompt you to change something whether it be from your installer standpoint or you need to move your welcome screen from GTK 3 to GTK 4 GTK 5 or whatever eventually you're gonna have to do something to fit in otherwise you're gonna have a welcome screen that looks from Windows 98 and everything else is going to be updated right these things will change as the thing progresses but yeah I was just asking you guys thank you for your input that's very helpful especially now that my brain was empty I was drawing a blank I don't think a distro or desktop environment is ever going to be like there are some pieces of software that can be just you know finished Matt how often do you go into your bash rc and adjust something I had aliases but I have a separate file for that that's technically modifying your bash rc because you're importing your aliases through your bash rc most likely two or three times a year probably yeah that is the same logic exists there for like a desktop environment you're never actually done with it well because you always think of something new you want to add to it exactly it's the Linux users curse you want to tweak stuff alright anyways moving on to the next one which is mine and I'm gonna go ahead and do the one that Steve was alluding to things that we're just talking about XFC, XFC 4.20 is going to be a big big change because it's going to finally support Wayland and I don't know how I feel about this guys I don't you guys know me and Wayland and we don't really get along all that much and like we were talking about XFC is not known for users who really appreciate change um honestly it's a worthwhile endeavor oh no I'm sure it is my question is going to be are they going to like GNOME does and keep two different sessions there so if you want to continue to use Xorg you can or are you just going to when you install 4.20 you're going to be using Wayland whether you like it or not I don't know of course of course they're not going to switch to Wayland only Wayland they're going to keep the X11 session there does it say that in this article could no but I've seen it somewhere where it's going to be like all since it uses LightDM XFC uses LightDM as its login manager so in LightDM by nature you have all the sessions and they're going to keep the X11 they cannot because if they switched completely to Wayland they're going to lose a lot of their user base because not everyone can support Wayland I can still see them maintaining XFWM for a good while yet because Wayland itself is not a completed protocol that's fully implemented and everything works flawlessly on Wayland that's just not a thing that happens right now in like 5, 6 years that whole scenario might change where it's just like you might see more systems that are completely X free but there is still value in maintaining the Xorg version of XFWM because XFWM does not actually rely on any actual GTK library because it is just a window manager so the thing is is that the developers behind XFC aren't known for maintaining multiple versions of anything they don't have LTS releases or anything like that it's just when the new version comes out that's what's supported so they're not known for having packages that they like old packages that they just kind of put in maintenance mode as far as I'm aware which is basically what they would do with the Xorg version the Xorg stuff is just bug fix maintenance and stuff like that when it comes time to implement Wayland it's just going to be bug fixes for X11 and the majority of the work happening on Wayland but X11 is not going to cease to get because X11 itself has here's my point and the reason why I'm a little worried about this because if you've used Wayland before you know that there are certain things when you move over there that you have to find alternatives to for a while there it was like Rofi would not work on Wayland so you had to find a different version and that's the reason why Tophie and Mofi things the reason why those exist and they didn't just use Rofi right Rofi works now but it didn't when Wayland first came out and there are many things like that like screenshot tools are a big one a lot of the screenshot tools that work in Xorg do not work in Wayland so and I'm and things specifically in XFC that are display related probably like the panel like the panel one of them the panel is not Wayland it's not supported by Wayland for some reason it works it works it works there are things in XFC that are meant for X that will have to be ported over to Wayland and having to maintain both versions of those things even if one just goes into bug fix mode is more than the XFC devs have ever done before usually when something's old they just stop supporting it and they move on to the new thing right now to actually completely kill off X support in future versions of GTK I think they're talking about like GTK 5 at this point so we're a while away from that so at some point XFC does need to make the change to Wayland and they will eventually drop the Xorg fork if they want to stay relatively relevant project well I think sorry Matt continue I'm just thinking that there's a good cause I haven't seen anywhere where it says that they're gonna actually keep the Xorg version I'm assuming that they will but it still feels very non XFC to me to have two different versions that they have to maintain because they don't do that they just maintain one thing you're basing all this on their track record which is not wrong but because Wayland itself is not 100% ready it won't be ready by 4.20 it's not only about Wayland it's the fault of all the applications that people use out there they need to get updated to have Wayland support if not everybody is in like harmony and updated to support each other it's not worth it to kill one session for another if XWayland was perfect if XWayland was perfect and actually worked across the board it wouldn't be a problem because then XWayland could just pick up the slack for anything that didn't work in Wayland XWayland would pick it up and it would just you know it would work in whatever you know way it was supposed to work but it's not 100% things have to be you know developed to use XWayland because obviously something that was developed you know ten years ago or whatever has no clue to look for XWayland but then again 4.20 could be two years down the pipe who knows when 4.20 will be out we are thinking because 4.18 and 4.19 came really really fast 4.20 could be three four years from now and it really could and you know what that's fine because XFCE software is generally like some of the most polished desktop applications that we can actually get on Linux things don't break in XFCE and you said something on the previous episode that XFCE's settings panel if you know CSS you can add whatever you want to it this is what makes the XFCE settings thing more attractive to me that's why I chose it to use with the Hyperland in the version that I built for fun over the KDE settings although because a couple of episodes ago of zero bytes we had the main developer the creator of Hyperland as a guest so he was like the best part of using KDE settings panel in Hyperland is the settings that are not Hyperland specific or anything you can do when you are on Hyperland they'll be hidden so you'll have almost bare KDE settings panel and it's simple because XFCE is like the one desktop environment where it's actually a positive complaint where every tool is uniquely portable from each other that's why when you install Thunar, Thunar doesn't have USB drive support you have to install a separate package to be able to implement that into Thunar yeah it's just to say that XFCE XFCE developers are to be admired because like you said it's very hard to break XFCE unless you use PyCom if you use PyCom either Compton or stick to whatever comes with XFCE I forgot what it was called XFCE compositor I mean you can always go back to Compass probably Windows man all the queue yeah moving on to the contact information if you want to get in contact with us you can do so in any number of ways probably the best way is to check out the website 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click on instead of having to type any of those things that I just set out so that's really nice so that's the contact information I'm sure I forgot something it wasn't as polished as I hoped it would be anyways moving on to the next one so josh your next one so development for KDE plasma version 6 has started just in time to go back to talk about breaking desktop environments of course I understand that there's a certain somebody around here that maintains a distribution where default desktop environment is KDE plasma so as a result he's a big lover of KDE plasma I'm surprised he didn't to report this article but you know they've already shown off like a new feature with KDE a big surprise right there right the very first thing that they talk about is a settings panel actually being able to being able to display a much wider variety of file types for like your default permissions so like your mime types and such so I think you can now have a separate dialer menu for any event that you have a phone connected through KDE connect I think that actually dynamically spawns so if you don't have KDE connect installed or even a device setup with it it won't even show and it's just got like a lot of cool little neat features that's just like in there like a border highlights and stuff in there which you know looks really cool and concept I don't know if it will actually work in practice though because you know it's KDE they slap on these new features and then they just forget about them but I'm sure like they might forget about the tiling thing they just introduced which I didn't like at all they might forget about it and you know what they probably forget about there for the next three years until like somebody decides that hey you know what I'm gonna figure out how this KDE bug tracker works and I'm gonna figure out exactly which module it's named is because you know the module name is completely different from like how it's presented to you to begin with but it's fine because this is the KDE bug tracker and it's perfectly fine there's no problem with it whatsoever okay the KDE bug tracker is kind of like the websites of Eric Dubois yes there's a lot of stuff everywhere okay so let me put this out there I think that people are going to be really disappointed in Plasma 6 because you're gonna download Plasma 6 and it's gonna look exactly like Plasma 5 yeah there's gonna be a few polishing and stuff like that but it's gonna look mostly the same and they're gonna wonder what's the big deal why is this a version number bump obviously there's there's a lot of stuff in QT6 that is going to enable them to do stuff over time but when 6 comes out next year whatever it is it's gonna look basically the same as KDE does now and it's gonna confuse a lot of people that's my prediction Steve what were you gonna say I was going to say that people asked me since Zero Linux was based on KDE number one and foremost but they were asking me okay Plasma 527 is gonna introduce welcome guide dialogue thing a magic are you gonna include it in Zero Linux I'm like where is it how can I uproot it I don't like it so yes I agree with you it's gonna look exactly the same because all the work as Nicolo mentioned in multiple of his videos it's going to be mostly under the hood maintenance work and getting ready for better wayland for NVIDIA better better handling of files better handling of memory better handling of multiple things but that's where the majority of the work is would have been done for for Plasma 6 there will be a few changes like on on top like the cherry on top is a few features that are very useful for some users like one example is it's gonna support I don't know if they mentioned it in this article I didn't get to read it but Nicolo mentioned it once it's gonna support more online accounts it's and better like they're gonna have next cloud and better support for next cloud accounts better support for google accounts google drive accounts and stuff like that they're gonna work on under the hood stuff but visually it's going to look exactly the same with for example it's mentioned in the article that Josh is talking about is accent colors now they will be support for full accent support from the wallpaper rather than the limited accent colors that exists today in Plasma 5 26 27 so one thing that I'm really excited about is I've actually been paying attention to like the planet KDE website as well as I'm just like I've I'm just I sit idle in IRC chat rooms for that KDE developers are in they're doing a lot of under the hood change changes specifically around making KDE frameworks less toxic to have to compile which as a guy that uses gen 2 I appreciate that but you have to realize that the that the pace for that KDE actually may well the pace that the the plasma project updates is very unique compared to like all the other distributions it's almost similar to chromium where KDE frameworks updates about every four weeks there's a plasma release every three months there's QT update like for for KDE fork of QT because they don't use stock QT they fork QT and they maintain a version of QT that they based on so that updates every two weeks and it's it's it's a weird and unusual release cycle that actually does cause some chaos and they they're working on a little bit a little bit way to handle like uh transitions cause throughout the course of plasma 5 when there is a big difference between like say how an application like a basic window window like their terminal console there is a very massive difference between modern console and curging 5.0 console you can actually not get a modern version of a console to open up on an older version of KDE plasma because because the KDE plasma frameworks don't exist correct and they're working also on KWIN because KWIN has been the bane of KDE's existence it always crashes it always misbehaves they're gonna be polishing Wobbly windows they're gonna be polishing that because don't forget they just added the the tiling aspect of it so that's more work for the compositor to do so they cannot add that without polishing KWIN first and their implementation of manual tiling manual however you're gonna call it it has a big problem you cannot save your custom layouts you can do them on the current session once you log out and log back in or exit the tiling system your the layouts that you work let's say 20 minutes to set up are gone expecting that tiling thing to be perfect rather than it would have been a mistake in the first place it's the first version that they pushed out so it's not surprising that it's and they're doing it and if you notice if you look closely the introduction of the tiling system in KDE it I don't know it's very close to windows version well I think that's probably purposeful because people are used to it that's probably the reason why they didn't just take Bismuth and you know use that Bismuth is amazing I keep it it's on zero Linux deactivated but it's there nobody noticed it yet yeah um so I have no problem with KDE focusing on stuff that underneath the hood and I don't have a problem with that whatsoever I just know people and I know that when people say hey look at this this thing just got bumped up to a brand new version of the thing and when they see that it looks exactly the same they're gonna wonder what the big deal was and the reason why I know this is because and all right so this is obviously on a much smaller scale but do you guys you guys may not pay attention to the window manager like community whatever but when DWM moved from 6.2 to 6.3 people freaked the fuck out they did literally the only thing they changed was one line and they changed it was the version bump that's all they did we moved it from 6.2 to 6.3 and people freaked out I mean like what now suddenly all their DWM bills were out of date even though they were technically up to date because they're all individual force because the vast majority of people who use DWM probably started on 6.2 because it's been around for literally forever and probably had no clue how to update the version 6.3 because when was the last time you ever had to update DWM because it's been the same forever and and then they almost immediately went to 6.4 and you're like what kind of world are we living in you know and it's weird because like there were there were new features in 6.4 but there were no new no new features in 6.3 and people were looking for them for weeks like what changed even though they said like the release notes or whatever like hey this is we changed one line it changed the version number that's all we changed yet people still looked for something that was different because DWM changes the version number so rarely and that's the same thing that's going to happen to this thing here is that you know people are going to be looking for those user facing changes and it's going to be very interesting to see how people react when they're really you know aren't that Honestly if you want to watch like a lot of their discussion just pull in the get repo for DWM and then just type in get log and just read all the messages some of it's some of it's actually pretty hilarious it goes like I'm changing this because this sucks I'm changing this because your fix sucks I'm changing this because it does absolutely nothing yeah they don't always get along all that they really don't okay guys we have that we really do have to move on so Steve are you next I think you're next right yeah he can be next okay go ahead next my second my second story is something we talked about on my podcast is OBS studio 29.01 that got released yesterday or something like that and today they released 29.02 as I was on the podcast of course but it was one change added to the list of changes to 29.01 but basically the list of changes are very important for some users especially NVIDIA users because they fixed the NVIDIA audio effects SDK which was outdated the NVIDIA audio effects SDK is outdated message appearing on the on the noise reduction filter properties when the SDK wasn't installed fixed a crash that could happen if you use NVIDIA audio effect filters and then later uninstall the SDK there's a common theme here NVIDIA fixed the expender and upward compressor audio filters sounding distorted added a knee width option to the upward compressor audio filter to improve quality and the fix for 29.02 was another fix to the compressor fixed software rendering not working properly on Linux they fixed a bug where the stats window panel would show an incorrect disk space calculation when pausing recordings happened to me fixed a window a bug on windows that's not us where the force sdr setting in window capture wasn't showing up fixed a bug I'm going to skip that one as a macOS bug fixed a bug where Linux captures would not work correctly on x11 so common on Linux I went through this so many times fixed a crash on Linux when using Wayland and trying to use the automatic scene switcher fixed a bug where alpha wouldn't output properly when setting OBS to use BGRA color format didn't see that one fixed a crash on startup when OBS was minimized how many times thank you OBS finally fixed a bug where projectors could look washed out when projecting sdr content while using an HDR display fixed a crash when using the virtual camera as an OBS source and changing the canvas resolution had that as well sounds like this was a really big bug fix release which is good amazing a few other rtmp fixes and encoder settings but yeah that was a big bug fix release it helped me fix the crashes anymore no more end bank encoder issues no more crashes the point release after a big .o release is always big because they come up and fix the bugs that were in the point ahead of all the changes they fixed quite a lot of NVIDIA and encoder so you're saying that maybe I should take a time and recompile a brand new app image of OBS because I've been using an app image build of OBS based off of OBS 28 for a very long time now well you have to use the flatback version because Titan 652 I talked to him the other day the reason it takes so long to compile his version from the AUR is because it uses the CEF certificates and stuff like that from Chromium and he was like he had no choice but to do that because a lot of browser plugins rely on that it's true because Arch Linux doesn't support a version of the Chromium embedded framework that's compatible with OBS Studio because OBS Studio decides that they're going to standardize in such an old version of it which I don't necessarily blame them for because they do not have the name of the stability which Arch is anything but a stability focused distribution yeah so when you compile when you try to compile the Titan 652 version it takes hours literally hours and sometimes errors and then you have to recompile from scratch sounds like fun but yeah it was a major point release this one and thank you OBS developers you're making our lives better if only I have one remark if only OBS can allow what's it called an overlay thing like the other version the fork of OBS has Streamlabs or whatever it is yeah because for game streamers that I will be soon that's very helpful okay great that please if I could say something to OBS would you please please make it so that transforms work better oh yeah I would agree on that because I did it today just please just make transforms easier to do like we have a mouse let us drag and drop things in like transform mode of having to use the mouse wheel to thoroughly move up numbers like we're in the the 80s again yeah and I didn't know that I had to hold alt on my keyboard to do the transforms I kept because the video I saw on how to do transforms he was using a Mac and he kept saying option option option I do not have this button I do not have this button I do not have this button what is option I'm like I had to open my Mac book to see where the option is positioned to know oh it's the alt key okay hold on a second are you saying that you can use the alt key to do transform you didn't know that no no I always open I always super even then actually change the numbers oh my god for someone who does who relies on transforms you didn't know that you could do it with the alt key no I didn't know that I'm good I'll be honest with you guys I don't know what transforms realistically are so maybe one of these days I'll take time to figure it out because you know I'm still I still run the super basic alts don't the alt capture screen capture screen and then resize tell me how this is supposed to work Steve teach I mean teach me right here in this live right now he's excited because just holding alt when an object is selected does not work it just moves the window because alt in XFCE is the modifier for dragging window around well you're an XFCE I'm on the KDE it's not going to work for me bitch okay unless unless you said it somewhere but what I did today was I took the window I made it pop up there was me and there was Jesse and then I took it again I added another window capture and then I resized it with the alt key me Jesse and now I have two people but the problem that I went through today is the one that you went through on the first episode where we started whenever his camera is disabled he's on the right when he enables his camera he switched to the left so he becomes me I become him yeah that's not obs's fault that's discord being a piece of shit no I'm saying I went through that with discord yeah discord discord discord is the thing that causes I think the cameras to move around it's dumb luckily it seems that no matter which order we join the room here we are all do eventually get in the right order but only once the cameras are turned on yeah when the cameras are turned on it organizes it alphabetically when the cameras are turned off it's reverse alphabetical for some reason you're right back I'm doing what transformers look like and what's so great about them let's see OBS transformation that way I can understand what you guys are talking about but I'll worry about that later I'm doing a podcast right now literally just cuts out other parts so when I have the whole discord call I can focus just in on your face Josh or just in on Steve's face it just cuts out all the rest of it it's basically cropping is basically what it does that's what transforms are there's other things you can do like rotate and stuff like that if you wanted to do that and you can use it in concert with the transformation or the transitions if you want so that you can do transitions with transforms that gets way too complicated we only have 15 minutes left we have to go moving on to the last link of the thing we'll just hit this really quick the system 76 guys have released more information about their new cosmic desktop which is supposedly going to happen this year I will believe it when I see it but we'll see anyways they have released some more information basically all the screenshots we've seen so far even in the last kind of like info dump that they had was all about their settings panel and the settings that they're adding to their desktop environment so they're focusing big on gestures and things like that in this press release that they have out here and stuff like that and then they also have some more revamped settings and stuff for the desktop environment and stuff they're modeling it's really weird because it's like their settings panels like half GNOME half KDE yeah it's obviously it's not actually based in forked off from those things it's just it looks that way right it's funky a little bit obviously all this stuff is really really early if anything it's very GNOME inspired well it is GNOME inspired and then they've you know added the they're experimenting right now they're experimenting if it's coming out this year they better stop experimenting and decide I'm just saying um I mean granted the year did just start but you guys it's here I don't know this desktop environment is very confusing me like I understand why they did it like they wanted to leave behind GNOME and stop having to deal with extensions breaking every time GNOME decided they were going to update which they do on purpose by the way they they say they don't break extensions on purpose but they break them on purpose no no no no that's a small comment on that I was told it's a feature not a bug because it all has to do with the version no it's not about version numbers only it's like the underlying code of the desktop environment changes so drastically sometimes most of the time when it you go from major version to major version the extensions need to adapt so they need a short period of time to adapt their code to the new underlying desktop environment so if you give the extension developer some time there are some extensions that break and that's it they take maybe six to seven months to get updated I agree on that but the most important ones like desktop blur my shell arc menu and all these they get immediately updated like within a few days to a maximum a week after oh come on there's one more extension that's much more important than any of those that's caffeine yeah that one you got to have caffeine especially if you're going to be watching any like live streams when you full screen window it's nice to you know not have your screen lock where you're doing that or if you're recording a video or recording a video or you know even playing a video game because game controller input does not actually stop the screensaver right yeah there's a there's a fork that is always maintained but well yeah it's a backup there's a fork that's maintained now but there was a period of time where like that fork even wasn't maintained anyway so the desktop is coming out this year it'll be very interesting to see I'm not going to try it on Papa West I would want I want to I want to be a rebel and just try it on Fedora see how it works I'm sure somebody will report it I'm sure it'll be cool alright anyways that is it for the news we have to run through the picks the thingies of the week so the last thing that we have to talk about is the thingies of the week so we could have called this section anything but we decided to call it thingies because everything else was trademarked and we didn't want to get sued so I'm going to go first I'm very very I can go very very quickly because everyone's heard of this one this is called Conky it's basically a system info slash whatever you want it to be type of thing and it will put basically again whatever you want on your desktop I've seen people use it as their complete bar set up if they wanted to do that I don't do that you probably notice if you've seen my main screen and if you're watching the video I have Conky over here in the side and it just shows me the weather it shows me my current YouTube subscriber account thanks to Lynx Tabler for giving me his script on that and then my RAM usage that's basically it I like to have it I don't like it in a tiling window manager where you hardly ever see the desktop but in a floating window manager where things are moving around and you oftentimes see your wallpaper having some data there or just something there it gives you some extra stuff has been really really nice and the configuration is not hard at all like I always thought that the configuration for Conky would be you know difficult but it's it's just variable it's just variable based that's literally all it is like you set variables and it has preset variables and you just call the variables that's literally the way you do it but it's written in Lua right I don't know it's not configured in Lua Conky itself is written in Lua but it reads CSS scripts yeah it's not if it was configured in Lua I would like it less I'm just putting that out out there it's definitely not configured in Lua or at least at least the way I'm doing I did see other people do their configuration files different so maybe you can configure it in Lua you can but I don't I just use variables that are predefined and stuff like that so it was very easy one thing that I really like about Conky is that you can actually create dynamic menus that are that are indexable and interactable so like if you've ever looked at like Regolith Linux before that's a it's an Ubuntu spin with I3 they're very opinionated if you're an I3 fanboy already you will probably absolutely hate it I hate it but anyways they have this wonderful Conky menu that sits on the desktop that you can click you can look at all the key bindings and stuff like that even DistroTubes download package for like his desktop environment well that runs a similar script much like that too and you know caffeine is just one of those it's a very underappreciated application because it can do cool things I've seen complete file managers and terminal environments written in with just uh with just Conky script it's very extensible it's super it's kind of it's one of those really cool things about Linux that you wish that more people actually use or actually remembered existed people take a look at Conky and think that man where are you from the 90s what were you going to say Steve I was going to say that you being a window manager guy having everything tiled on your window why do you even have a wallpaper it's like you barely see it and then having and then when you minimize close windows it's the rare times you see your wallpaper it's the same reason as why I ask why you have a transparent terminal on 0 Linux I'm an XFC now so it makes a lot more sense to me I think if I was still using I3 it wouldn't make sense to me but related to Conky for me I don't use Conky for one simple reason is if I forget my monitor turned on for whatever reason it causes burning it stays like for a few days and then it disappears I even see it when I reboot my system and I'm on grub I can still see the Conky things move around on my system so often nothing stays that I mean so Josh you're thinking of the week my thing of the week is something that 0 Linux actually reminded me exist it's called ButterFS assistant so if you've ever used anything like Geruda Linux it's actually they have their own fork of this project but if you use the ButterFS file system on your desktop machine this is actually one of those applications that I actually highly recommend to point forward just like you probably should be installing it because as a guy that uses ButterFS on both my desktop and my servers there's one thing that I forget to do quite often that's called scrub and balance to file system which if you're going to be doing anything with like data integrity management you want to be able to run those scrubs and balances because the balances help rebalance your rate arrays and make sure that your rate arrays are working like they should and that files are you know mirrored like they should be scrubs make does a complete check some of the entire file system make sure that everything's great it even integrates with snapper a tool that I've talked about multiple times on like my own channel where you can manage your snapshot your file system snapshots creates you can even schedule and prune prune snapshots from it it's a very well designed tool just for ButterFS management so and honestly like I'm surprised that like a tool like this is actually still around and not more people use it especially ButterFS users which I am not I'm an XFS user but actually ButterFS assistant is by the one of the Garuda developer yeah but there's two different versions it's kind of weird or it's just like you have the standalone version that the one guy develops and then Garuda has like a separate fork of it from the looks of it well well it was created by Dragonfire this one I think yeah it's not a fork it's a better implementation it was in the works for a long time from what he told me because I came up with the idea back in the day very early days of XeroLinux where someone kept you know how with a snapper to be able to restore a snapshot you have to boot live ISO and then chroot and do all yeah there was no GUI that did it with a click so we that's something that Timeshift has had that snapper or even the snapper GUI program did not have there was a developer who created an app for XeroLinux that did that but it was so basic it was just a couple of buttons but on the back end it was doing a lot more not you didn't have to chroot or do anything you would click of a button you could restore to a previous snapshot but then the Garuda brains saw interest rising around snapper so they created a better version of what the developer of mine created for XeroLinux that's why mine now is dead it's not that there was a lot of momentum behind snapper there always has been a lot of momentum behind snapper because snappers actually developed and created by OpenSusa okay hi guys I'm gonna have to Steve are you gonna lose power in three minutes no okay then I'm not gonna you guys can carry on if you're just gonna disappear off the face of the earth I want to make sure you can get your thingy of the weekend no no no no don't worry because it's unlimited weekend I keep the generator on because it's unlimited I can download whatever I want so my thingy of the week is something that I wanted to talk about for so long because I've been using it for over five years it's called AirDroid it's a it's a website basically but somebody created an electron or using native buyer to make it into a separate app but what AirDroid is basically you download an AirDroid client on your phone it's better than KDE Connect I can guarantee you that not really the same things are they well you can access you can access your phone not only access it by like KDE Connect but you can install uninstall applications and messages read your email if you go to AirDroid.net I think or .org I forget AirDroid yeah it's AirDroid.com you can see what it looks like but once you launch the client on your phone you can either subscribe to an online account so you can access it from anywhere like if you have a tablet at home and you run AirDroid on it and you want to access your tablet from anywhere you can do that but if you want to do it just locally you can just input your IP address with a port number in your browser and you can do it that way but AirDroid now is an app it automatically detects your phone on your network and it prompts you to allow access to your phone and once you allow it access you can do whatever your heart desires on your phone you can send emails receive e-read emails send messages SMS install applications access your photos your videos and so much more it's an amazing tool that saved my hide even on iPhone now it supports iPhone you know limited because iPhone doesn't give you access to your system so you cannot install and uninstall apps but you can still send SMS read your email which one do you have to download in order to get it to work AirDroid personal AirDroid cast or one of the other ones it's just called AirDroid on my iPhone it's called AirDroid when I was imagine it's AirDroid personal that you install on your machine and then if I look at AirDroid here there's an application of AirDroid as well file and remote access that's probably the one you want yeah and then looks like everything else is just personal it's personal that you have to download that said Steve you actually don't need to pay them any money to do this for you because you know that you can just create a mesh VPN network using a self-hospital service like headscale or you know a paid support service like tailscale to be able to do this yourself not a sponsor yeah well this is for normal users if you want to be somebody like you Josh yeah I would use that but it's simple download launch download the app on your phone connect you're done you can do whatever you want even my grandma can do it not that I have any grandma still alive but if they were they would be able to use that that went dark fast but you can use it for personal use or you can use it for businesses on a large scale to support more devices and stuff like that but it's an amazing tool I recommend it to all android users iphone users not so much because it's very limited but for android users it will save you literally when I used to use android I used to flash my my phone like I don't know 50 times a day so it saved me you can download everything on your phone as a single zip file that's the best part that's the thing that saved me that does sound cool alright so that is it for this episode of the podcast coming up next week we will be doing the exact same thing just with different topics and Tyler again will be off next week so it will be just the three of us we had a good time today boys it was really fun if you have thoughts on any of the things we talked about today you can leave those in the comment section below if you're looking for time stamps on any of the podcast those do show up a couple hours after the stream ends if you're already here and listening to me say this even after watching the replay I apologize that I didn't say at the beginning but time stamps do always show up on the podcast eventually so in the future if you want to watch afterwards you can and skip around to wherever you want to listen to that which is nice so before I go I should take a moment to thank my current patrons thanks to everybody who does support me on patreon at patreon.com you guys are all absolutely amazing with all of you the channel does not be anywhere near where it is right now so thank you so very very much for your support I truly do appreciate it we record this live every Saturday around 3 o'clock pm eastern time today we were running late because I was I did not know the transform trick thanks for holding on on me Steve I appreciate that anyways like I said live every Saturday 3 o'clock pm eastern time are there about if you want to watch youtube.com slash linuxcast we'll see you guys next week see ya