that I, you know, I started so long ago, I started pre-pandemic. I was one of the few Davis City Council candidates to, you know, have meet and greets across the city. I was glad that you attended one of them. I, you know, I was at the farmer's market, you know, when the, when the free speech space was open for candidates to be there. I don't think any other Davis City Council candidate this cycle has been able to experience that, you know, this has been a really long campaign. And I think I've really gotten a chance to, more than I expected, learn more about the community and what I would like to do to better serve it. So can you talk a little bit about what you will continue to do going forward? So yeah, I've been, you know, in the space of activism and advocacy, for, you know, communities that I'm a part of, for the better part of the last decade, since before I was eligible to vote, this is sort of, you know, I tell people, these are my only marketable skills. And so you will see me one way or the other in these same spaces, fighting for the causes and advancing the issues that I'm passionate about and believe, you know, would take our community on a better path toward a more inclusive and accessible future for people. And you are the chair of the police accountability commission, which is relatively new for our city, but it's really important right now in the climate that we are experiencing. Do you? Yeah, no, I feel really privileged to have been on the commission and it's initial two years, definitely to serve as its second chair. And definitely in this time, I sort of talked to people sometimes about how fortunate I feel just to be in this place in time, not just as a candidate, but definitely in the role on the commission being able to, you know, utilize my lived experiences and experiences on the commission in service to this city. I think that's a valuable bit of work for me to be a part of just as an individual. And I think those experiences and voices are valuable to have at the table when we're having those discussions about public safety and how we design services in the city of Davis. Do you think that that was an issue that resonated with people as you were speaking to them? I know you spoke to people mostly before this issue came up when you were a farmers market. Yeah, no, but I've had so many, I was sort of, you know, lit dropping in North Davis, you know, I guess about a month ago or so, and a woman came up to me and said, I've only seen a deal important from a distance, but I think that might be you. I mean, if that is you, I've sort of been to some of the events that you've been a part of and I really have been, you know, glad to and uplifted to sort of be a part of that and sort of have a path to myself participate in what we can do to make effective changes in the community. So I think people have really heard, I think what we need to do and how they can be a part of it. And I think that's, like I said, a beneficial thing, I think for me to be a part of this as a person to have that positive forward moving effect on what's going on here. We are running out of time. This is what you get for 22 interviews, three hours. I do want to say though, when I talked to you a couple of months ago when we did meet the candidates, I also said that you had the distinction of being the candidate who had run the longest campaign ever, I think in history. So congratulations on your longevity and a campaign run there and everything you do in the community. Who would you like to thank before we move you off screen? I would just like to thank so many of the people that helped us knock on doors, particularly Luana and Emmy who helped us do so much in this campaign. All right, thank you so much for running and thank you for joining us and enjoy the rest of your evening, all the best to you. Thank you, goodbye. Take care. That was Dylan Horton running for Davis City Council in the newly created district two. And speaking of newly created districts, we have coming up here, Rachelle Swanson, there she is. Welcome, Rachelle. Hey, good evening. I'm the same, we have the same scars. Here's the funny thing, I almost wore mine so we would have been triplets but y'all get to be twins. Goodness supporting women businesses. That's right, those are from the wardrobe just so you know. So you are different in this race. First of all, you've served two terms on Council. I think most people know that. You stepped away for a while to take a break and work on some other life and family issues. And you told me, I asked you earlier in the season why you ran. You said it wasn't a single issue. You mentioned a couple of things but you really said that people weren't talking about South Davis. So my question is, are they talking now? You know, they are to a degree. You know, I don't think as much as I would hope to. I think we're still focused on a couple issues.  You know, that was very successful to be able to kind of pin that on me. You know, and so that's been the issue. What really concerns me about South Davis is that's one area. That's really not the bigger issues. We have a lot of equity issues here, a lot of social justice issues. If you look at the numbers, you know, especially like so on the city website, you can look and you can see where DPD has a lot of activity. It's in South Davis. You look at where we are for lack of services for our most vulnerable folks. Those are there. And I just, I haven't seen that as much as I would like to. You know, I know like Pacifico is coming up on the 17th on the Council agenda. I would hope that that could be held until the fifth district representative is actually seated. But I completely respect, you know, wherever the council tends to go on that, you know. So I am hopeful, you know, what I really appreciate is seeing the level engagement from the district by voters on these issues. So I've talked to so many different people. I mean, it's COVID, right? I've done my, the mailers, we text bank, we phone bank and you know, traffic continues to be a big issue. And I think that's the one thing. And that's, I think what's interesting is what I've really seen even in this election is the folks who are engaged versus those who are not. So like I said, there's a lot of focus on the traffic piece and not necessarily on all the other additional issues that are there, you know. But I really, I do hope that we'll see some improvements. I so applaud the council and this last session really focusing on roads and streets and the pavement index. And I hope that does include some traffic calming measures that can actually help in South Davis.  And I know right now it doesn't seem like it's that much of a crisis, but all you have to do is, you know, get on 80, say from Dixon to Davis. It's still in the afternoon, 3-3-30 in the afternoon, it's backed up just like it was pre-COVID. So I think those are important things that are going to be there. I do have faith that the fact that we have district elections means more people are going to be engaged. I think what's really going to matter though, whether or not we see an appreciable difference is going to come down to whether or not we see some depth in that representation in South Davis. It's one thing to have one council member and there's been a lot of focus, which kind of surprised me how much the downtown focus had such an impact even in the South Davis race because, you know, there's always been a heavily focus on downtown. And I think in this, I think it's reflected too like Measure B and others, we still have this belief that our only source of revenue and business is in the downtown, which don't get me wrong, the downtown is so important. I've been a business owner down there. I think it is our gems, but that's such a one-sided piece of it. So that's what I'm hopeful for, you know, when you talk about the district piece is if we're really going to see change and we're going to see reflection for South Davis, there's going to have to be some depth in the bench on the commissions as well as just a council seat. Gloria, I think we have time for one more question, quick question. Sure, sure. So you would be coming into this with experience. What's one area where you believe your experience could really make a difference? The piece when it comes to the budget and how you really focus on what do you look at revenues versus outlays? And that revenue piece being multifaceted, there's a lot of movement that's happening at the regional level, as well as the state level and the federal level. And one thing where I see we haven't been as engaged and as I promised you, Gloria, is every time I see an opportunity for Davis, I'm still going to share it with you as where we can look at a bigger piece because there is an infrastructure bill that is coming from the feds. And I was on a webinar recently and they made sure to say it's not your father's infrastructure bill. So there's some opportunities there for communities that are ready to be engaged. And I think we certainly can qualify for that. So on the dais, off the dais. I love Davis, I did what I said I was gonna do. I had community members approach me. They wanted my experience on the dais. I did my part and I think the voters, they're gonna do their part for what they feel is right, completely respect the outcome. No matter how it ends up falling out and it's just, it's been so great. There's so many wonderful people. As always, that's the beauty of a campaign. You know, the new friends you meet, the ones that you've reconnected with, even in COVID, it's really, it's just been lovely. All right, we've got to wrap up but it's great to see you. Thanks for stepping up and running again. It was a surprise to me at first but then it seemed natural. There's Rochelle, she's running for office. I do want to give one second if I can. I wanna really thank all my big campaign team as well as all the volunteers. I'm sure they all got tired of me saying, we go high, we go high. But I love, especially for the young women that were involved and others that have a chance to see that running for office isn't about the win. It's about the brace and about the progress and all the things that you learn along the way. And yeah, it's been wonderful. So thank you all and thank you always for doing this. Thank you so much, Rochelle. We'll see you down the road. Take care. All right, take care. All right, and we're gonna say goodbye to Rochelle. That was for district five, city council. And Gloria, our next to last guest is with us. It's Kelly Wilkerson. Kelly, welcome. And Kelly was running for the issues, the third candidate running or one of three candidates running for the Los Rios Community College Board of Trustees area four. That's a mouthful. Well, now this was your first run for public office to have that, right? Yeah, it was. How has the campaign been? It's been about a month and a half since I talked with you. Well, it's a really large district. There's 150,000 voters in two counties, three cities. And I think maybe I had a little bit of an advantage as a first time candidate because I didn't quite realize why I was getting into it, I think. And really happy with a really large group of volunteers who I had an all volunteer campaign who mastered everything from creating a phone bank to creating a text bank to social media and just did a really amazing job. And so I don't know what campaignings like pre-COVID so maybe that was a good thing. But no, it was a great experience. I have always helped other folks sometimes in their campaigns but never wanted to do it myself. Part of the reason is I'm not very good at small talk and glad handing, that's not really my style at all. But one of the things that really surprised me about campaigning is that it's not small talk. You're really talking to people about things that really matter. And you're doing problem solving, you're really listening to the needs of the community and really hoping that I'll have that opportunity to help. Gloria, you know a few things about that, right? Yes, yes. So Kelly, I guess my question is what drew you to this particular race? You know, I had always just not really thought that I was gonna be running for office. I thought I had a behind the scenes thing. And Don Saylor had actually posted publicly on Facebook that a community college trustee position was open and that no one from Yolo County had been on it for at least 20 years. And it just clicked in my brain that I'm a high school teacher who teaches both kind of college bound work and also what used to be called vocational ed. And I also spent before I became a teacher 10 years working for community college groups and just traveled the state, finding programs that worked, programs that didn't work, talking with faculty, understanding the issues, working on the budget. And so those two things were in my head that this was an area where I thought I had something unique to bring to the position and then COVID hit. And so I kind of stopped. I sort of paused for a month to kind of figure out my own family. I think we all did, right? And then the more I learned, the more I realized that the community colleges were really gonna be at the center of our recovery and not just our economic recovery but our educational recovery.  There's in our own remote learning, there's people who are not succeeding who are gonna have to rebuild their educational lives and then our economy as well. And so I'm really convinced it's a critical position and at the center of so many solutions we can have for our community. I think that that is so true. I know that during the last recession, there was a big boom to community colleges from people that had fallen out of the workforce and needed to reinvent themselves and took that sort of downtime to go back to community colleges and it was really helpful in helping people reenter and to find success. And I also think that in Davis, we don't think too much about the percentage of kids who go to community college because it's a really small percentage of the population that actually makes it into the four-year colleges. Well, even more so, their kids don't all finish college. I think that my wake-up call was, we have, we followed students and six years after high school graduation, only half of them had graduated from college. So the obvious question is, how are those other 50% doing? Do they have a path towards success? Do they have a plan to a job that feeds a family? And so I'm really hoping to change the conversation in Davis in particular, but throughout the district that every high school senior needs a plan. We can't just say it's college end of story. We're about out of time.  I wanna say too quick thanks to you. Thank you for training up journalists. I say that from the bottom of my heart as a once-in-future journalist. I don't know, I seem to find myself in the role again these days. And also I went to community college and graduated from UC Davis and I have to go to community college. So it is very, very important. Thank you for running. Thank you for joining us. All the best to you. Thank you. All right. Gloria, believe it or not, we're at the almost at the end of our hour. We're bringing on your vice mayor. You did a really good job, Autumn. My God, you moved people along. You're taking the time keeper at our classmates. I need more things to do, you know. Training us now is Lucas Frerichs. Lucas has served two terms on the council. He currently serves as vice mayor. So he and Gloria talk a lot, I'm guessing. Lucas is also a former member of the board of directors here at Davis Media Access. So I have known him for a long time. So district elections, Lucas, you've run at large. I mean, is it hard to tell how different a district election was in the middle of a pandemic? What's your experience been? Well, first of all, thank you so much for the opportunity to join this evening. I always appreciate all that certainly that Davis Media Access does in the community, but especially the elections coverage. So thank you. I mean, doing all the elections work that you all do just in a normal year is a sort of herculean effort, but especially doing all of this in a COVID year, really appreciate all your efforts and all the crew and everybody at DMA. So thank you for that. So yeah, this year, I mean, campaigning in a district, I was talking to someone earlier this evening. It's interesting. I think it's only one fifth of the city. So just in terms of the geography and the nature of the numbers, it's smaller. And so that actually I think was helpful because it's actually, you're able to reach all parts of the district in fairly easy order. I'm a big walker. I'm out walking the dog several times a day and just that's one of my major ways I like to get around town. And so walking in the neighborhoods in and around where I live as part of my district or a district that it was easy and it was a lot of fun. So I was able to sort of combine both tasks at the same time. Gloria, what would you like to ask your vice mayor? So what has been your biggest lesson learned on council? Ooh, that's a really good question. It is because I'm really curious about this sort of a newbie council person because I'd like to learn about what sorts of things I should be on the lookout for. I think there's a couple of things I would say. So I mean, because it's changed over time since I've been on now for eight years. When I was first on the council the first couple of years I had thought I was pretty well prepared to be on the city council based on serving on the social services commission and the planning commission before serving on the city council. So I was like, oh yeah, I got a good sense of what happens when you're on the city council. But then joining the council, I really was exposed to as we all are the sort of the breadth of responsibilities that being on the council sort of contains including serving on all the other intergovernmental boards and agencies that we all serve on. And so I didn't really have a sense of that. And so that was just such an eye-opening sort of part of serving on the council. I think the other thing that's, I don't know that it's a lesson per se, but I would just say that now after having served on the council for eight years, I just continue to be super appreciative of how engaged the community is. This community consistently it just is always well-prepared, shows up for any sort of issue, large or small, I mean, it's just, whether it's a real community need, right? We've seen these disastrous wildfires over the course of the past couple of years in Northern California, just the engagement, the level of community engagement is something that is, I really marvel at. I think it's a real hallmark of this community. And on the fire note, the three of us, that's kind of how we all first, not first connected, but we connect it working on fire relief benefits together. Before we get to the next question, we're down to about four minutes in the show and I hear we have some results. So let me go ahead and have the crew bring those in and see what we're looking at. This is from the Yolo Elections website. And I have to squint to see this, but we're looking at, okay, these are two of two precincts reporting in district two and it looks like Will Arnold has a big lead there. Three of four precincts. It's looking good for you, Lucas. You are way ahead with 75% of the precincts reporting. And if we could scroll down, Alex, we've got city council district five there. And oh, that's with four out of four precincts reporting. Looks like Josh Chapman has a big lead there. Now again, we're talking about results where people walked in today, people mailed in ballots. We're not gonna know final results for a while. Is there anything down at the end of that screen we need to look at? Or was that, that was all the city council? Okay, measure B and measure D. Okay, it looks like measure B has about a 5% margin and measure D is winning by a landslide. So that's kind of a look at where we are with city things for tonight. All right, let's go back to Lucas and Gloria because we are actually down to the last couple of minutes of our time together here. So let me get Gloria to get one last question in with Lucas and then we're gonna sign off. Oh, we need to bring Lucas back in there. We need to bring Lucas back. So yeah, moving forward, what are your top two priorities going forward? Ooh, top two priorities. Well, I think short-term, I mean, this is probably the top priority for all of us. It's just getting us sort of, rebounding from COVID, right? Sort of continuing to have a recovery from our local economy and such, certainly. But I think I'll just say, so that's obviously something that's a short-term, but hopefully it'll be short-term. Hopefully it won't be a long-term priority. But I think that the other item that I really am interested in working on over the course of the next couple of years for me personally is just a neighborhood engagement and neighborhood outreach and really trying to strengthen the neighborhoods. I think that that's something I would really like to see the city sort of put some energy and effort towards sort of engagement. It's sort of communications wrapped up in that too, certainly, but really helping to strengthen our neighborhoods. And I think that there's a lot of already strong neighborhood associations and lots of diverse neighborhoods already, but I think that the city can actually play a role in continuing to make that even better and strengthen that in the years ahead. So I'm looking forward to really sort of taking that on. Yeah, I think the communication is something that is really important for us. Absolutely, yeah. No, I agree. Across the board. I wanna thank you both. Gloria for spending this hour with me. It's been really fun and insightful. Lucas, I've said this to all the council members, but for always making yourself available and accessible and being really, you talk about community engagement, but we have a highly engaged council here who's, you say yes a lot, so thank you for that. All right, and I wanna give one last shout out to the staff who served as crew in this remote time of COVID alone here in the studio, which is such a weird thing on election night, I can't tell you. I wanna give one last request for the community to really support this election work. It is community supported. We get a lot of support for KDRT. We don't always get a lot of support on the election side and this is a resource intensive effort, davismedia.org slash donate or davismedia.org. There's a donate button there. Thank you both for your time. Lucas, thanks for running again for all you do for the community. Wish you all the best and I hope the rest of your evening goes well. Thanks so much. I'm gonna sign off live from the DMA studio. This is Autumn Lab A Renaud and you've been watching local live election night coverage here at Davis Media Access. Thanks so much for tuning in. Thank you. Thank you.


All right Looks like we're live How's it going everyone? Okay Good good. All right Got this Hollywood school thing. So it's good. You know at the end of the conference Which is fun. Thank you everyone for you know attending this to see panel basically to you know and the conference You know make sure that the TOC is approachable and everyone can ask questions And you know things you can learn about what's being planned for for the next year. So kind of kick things off I'll introduce, you know myself names Chris Anizic. I have the fun job of you know serving the technical community in CNCF You know, we have currently 10 TOC members, you know, that will go throughout and introduce themselves I will call each of you out individually to kind of say hi and talk a little bit about your you know job and Enroll so to start things off. I'll just go in order from what I could see. So we'll start with Alayna Hello everyone, my name is Alina Prokarchik. I'm I work for Apple They're a help different engineering team to onboard the cloud native infrastructure Always excited to learn about the new use cases and always to improve the platform and happy to be here. Thank you, Chris Thanks Alayna had a fun keynote earlier in the conference Next up for me is Dave Hey, I'm Dave Engineer and that's on Spotify's platform team and I've done a bunch of work around our adoption of kubernetes and gRPC and On-board worker on the perimeter things like that. I'm I think the newest TOC member on this board So I'm still kind of figuring out what I do here and how to do it, but happy to be here Cool, thank you Dave very much Next up for me is our TOC chair Liz Liz rice Hi. Yeah, so thanks Chris. I'm Liz rice. I look after the open source engineering team at aqua security and Yeah, I'm chair of the TOC and Dave. Don't worry. We're all figuring out what we're doing as we go along Constantly iterate. It's the way it works. Next up is is Michelle Hey everyone, can you hear me? Okay? Loud and clear Awesome. I'm Michelle Neurely. I am a software engineer here at Microsoft Azure I work on open source tools in the cloud native ecosystem focusing on making containers and kubernetes easier to use I am currently a core maintainer on the service mesh interface project and the open service mesh projects and Previously I've worked on several other tools in the cloud native space I'm also an emeritus maintainer on the Helm project Happy to be here Lots of projects there next up is sod All right. Thanks Chris. My name is sad Ali. I'm a software engineer at Google and my background has mostly been around storage for kubernetes and the CSI project and I'm very excited to be a part of the TOC and See what I can do to help other projects as well Thank you sod Brendan burns is up next All right. I fiddle with my sound setting. So hopefully it's not quite so loud. Hi. I'm Brendan Burns. I Work in Microsoft Azure For a bunch of compute and cloud native services on Azure as well as our upstream open source work Awesome. Thank you, Brandon. You don't sound like a lawnmowers going in the background. So Progress has been made. I think I was on my like built-in laptop mic and not my headset Apologies Or is all good. I'll go next up is Justin Cormack Hi, I'm Justin Cormack. I'm an engineer at Docker. I'm Maintainer of notary and I'm the maintainer elected representative on the TOC I'm also very involved with sick security and work on lots of security related stuff Awesome. Thank you Justin Matt Klein up next Hey, everyone, I'm Matt Klein. I'm a software engineer at Lyft I spend about 50% of my time on infrastructure leadership at Lyft And then I spend the other 50% of my time working on CNCF Envoy and all of the other fun stuff. Nice to be here Cool. Thank you. Thank you Matt and then Cheng Hi, I'm Xian Liang. I'm co-founder and CEO of Rancho Labs and We I think as Rancho Labs we We contributed a couple of sandbox projects to CNCF so far long horn and K3s and We look forward to Doing more with you know with CNCF Awesome. Thank you. I don't think Zheng from Ali is here unless I'm wrong I don't see him in my magical Hollywood Square. So You know, we'll continue, you know, I'm gonna Share my screen in a second here to kind of go over Our presentation, but generally we have 11 TOC members currently the TOC is down to 10 because You know, sometimes when you find an amazing person to hire you hire them and we you know ended up hiring Katie Comangie who used to serve as the end user a representative For the TOC so we are down to 10. Let me go share my screen See if this actually works All right All good. Hopefully this works. So Here is You know a wonderful TOC like I mentioned we have 10 You know, we usually have 11 when we have a full house You know representing, you know and users GB appointed me, you know representatives and Maintainer appointed representatives a good kind of cross-section of the different communities we serve You know one thing that you know I constantly highlight that a lot of people new to CNCF Generally don't understand is you know as a community We have come up with a set of you know guiding principles that the TOC has produced That we publish on GitHub and we kind of you know evaluate it's been a while since we've done an update We're probably overdue to kind of take a second look at it But if you kind of go through some of these principles, you know, we're always about putting projects You know first, you know projects are independent and self-governing the foundation doesn't really metal With projects along with to see members.  We've documented a lot of improvements when it comes to Processes so if you go to our documentation, especially our project proposals doc You'll find a lot of that information there. It's generally fairly straightforward We've made a lot of improvements around the sandbox process. So it's a lot easier now to You know propose projects and for the to see to kind of deal with the inbound of requests On the bright side, you can kind of see all the existing proposals So if you're kind of new to this Please kind of you know, look at the existing proposals out there and kind of get ideas and maybe attend One of the public to see meetings that happen every couple weeks Or just jump on slack. We're super friendly and happy to to answer any questions that you have You know, as we're kind of, you know wrapping up this year, you know, some of us on the staff side We've been working on an internal Report or you know, essentially the a lot of data that feeds into our annual report that will publish in January But one thing that kind of shocked me this year is that we actually accepted 35 Projects, you know, super majority of them being in sandbox, which if you kind of look at our history It's by far the most we've ever accepted, you know in a year in in CNCF at all, which is a little bit A little bit wild You know, we went through the expansion of upping the toc from, you know, loving people total and got that fully staffed out This year, which has been awesome. We improved the end user representation, which has been great We added two new sigs this year around Serbability and also contributor strategy, which has been Great and kind of formalizing a lot of Ideas to help projects get started and just being great advisors outside of just the the staff that usually handles the the brunt of that work as I mentioned before we simplified the sandbox projects, which you know beginning I think I had some hesitations there, but generally it's Definitely improved the acceleration in which we've accepted projects. I think that's been a positive thing overall and as of this year we also Uh, you know graduated five projects So helm harbour tight kv broke and for some of these we're giving a bit of a preview for next week, but at cd We'll we'll graduate Next next monday or tuesday, I believe so it'd be great to kind of end the year with five projects hitting that And then that level the big thing that I like to remind folks on You know, the toc is really stacked with community members folks that kind of represent You know, uh, the community whether they're project maintainers ambassadors and so on nominations for essentially six slots will be opening up in january We'll have six slots And they'll represent different, uh, you know kind of Areas and and and designated slots that the toc has so two of them will be end user appointed So this is from our end user community that uh, sharyl hung runs. Uh, they'll be Working to appoint those three of them will come to the governing board and one will be from the toc itself gets to Appoint them. So we'll go through this whole process and we'll be super public about it We'll remind everyone so we just pay attention and if you're interested In running feel free to reach out to me or any other toc members and they could kind of talk about the You know time commitments pros cons and all that wonderful stuff that happens with the role Um, not really going to dive into the prediction since Liz had a wonderful keynote on this I think we're gonna, you know, kind of move back to hollywood squares and essentially start asking You know, the toc is some questions and and and so on. So, uh, let me go stop sharing my Green here. So let's see if we could go back to hollywood squares mode Austin kind of see everyone here for the most part um So, uh, before I kind of kick off our, uh questions, um out there Um, you know, I'd love to kind of uh, see if you know, Liz made all these kind of wonderful predictions You know around communities on the edge web assembly bf is there something that uh, you know She potentially missed or glossed over that anyone wants to kind of, you know, uh, bring up You know bring up here any kind of thoughts on where we're gonna Uh, you know go next year in terms of predictions. Anyone want to jump in and take this? um Go ahead brendan so, uh, I mean I say this every year I guess but um I think broadening the developer base and the cloud native ecosystem is is critical um, I think it's just too hard to build applications um And we focused a lot of energy on operating applications and that's great But like if we don't make it easier for people to build these applications I don't think we're doing anybody a service. So I'm you know excited about bringing things like no-code to kubernetes and uh other kinds of you know developer productivity that we can We can focus on so I'm hopeful every year. I say we're going to do this and we make some progress But I'll keep saying it till we actually make full progress awesome Definitely, I don't know if you saw uh, there was some crazy person who hooked like google sheets to monitoring like and editing Kubernetes cluster. Hopefully we'll we'll see some innovation in this space to make it easier for for everyone anyone Is I was thinking more quake. I like the quake. I like monitor k Anyone else want to take this, uh, any other predictions for next year if we're going to dive into our normal Panel the lizmus anything I've got something. Um, I think extensibility is something that uh, we've been driving a lot on in this community and uh, I expect that's going to continue I think a lot of the standards that have emerged like CSI have become well established and have allowed kind of a plethora of companies to Solutions to be able to integrate together with the ecosystem And so I expect that those extensibility points are going to continue to expand Awesome. Do you have any particular areas you think that will yeah object storage was an interesting one where you know Datapath has not really been standardized and we don't really have a good way to be able to plug in an arbitrary object storage now the kubernetes folks are starting to look at a container object storage interface And what would that look like is it? I mean I'm going to be as extensible as CSI has been in terms of being able to plug in an arbitrary object storage system to An arbitrary workload on kubernetes on any environment. Can we get to that point? And so that's an interesting and exciting kind of frontier that's being explored Awesome. Awesome All right I will move on to our set of questions. Uh, then I'll go check You know in in slack to see if anyone has anything in particular but to kind of kick off our kind of first, uh, You know question, uh, you know, I'll start with um You know essentially the the service mesh, you know space. So, you know, cncf has a Hey, you know a handful of projects in the service mesh ecosystem, you know, uh, kuma smi linker d Envoy, even though matt's he completely keeps yelling at me that envoys not a service mesh Maybe talk about all that. What do you think? You know, what do you predict kind of happening? You know in in the space there seems to be a lot of approaches Um, there's a spec now, um, you know, what what do you kind of see happening? Uh in in the service mesh space, uh, next year, we'll start with matt first since Thanks for thanks for putting me on the spot Um, and yes envoy is not a service mesh. I just want to say that again. Envoy is not a service mesh. Um, you know, I I like people ask me this all the time and i'm going to be honest I don't know what the answer is and I I think I don't know what the answer is Because service mesh is not a very mature space right now. There's lots of different solutions I'm I'm personally obviously very biased. I think the data plane is converging on envoy but I just think we we're seeing a proliferation of components out there in the control plane space and I always step back to what are the problems that people are trying to solve and I think this comes back to what Brendon was actually saying Which is that we're building a lot of infrastructure, but it's still too hard to write applications and from the end user perspective They don't actually care how load balancing and retries and all of these things are implemented So it's it's somewhat of an implementation detail And I think that as we move forward over the next few years We're just going to be looking at more integrated platforms that that bring together How we how we deploy applications how we connect to various systems like apis and pub sub etc And I just don't I don't actually foresee a future in which we're going to keep going down this independent service mesh path I think users are going to come to expect a set of features And whether that comes from projects like k native or other serverless platforms Um, and you know, I I think they'll be using projects like envoy and kubernetes under the hood But I'm actually personally very skeptical that we're going to continue to see a bunch of these independent projects I think over time we're going to see some of them go away. Some of them are going to get merged into larger Larger projects and systems So so is there, you know, no hope for envoy to be rewritten in russe over the next couple of years Wow, you're just you're just trying to get a rise out of me during this event Hard time Do you actually want me to answer that absolutely why why not absolutely? Uh, I I think that over time we will I'm not uh, I'm not a big believer in a complete rewrite envoys Hundreds of thousands of lines of code and with millions of lines of dependencies So I don't think it's realistic to do a complete rewrite I do think that over time via things like web assembly and embedding rust and I I think we will see envoy You know start to use those types of systems, but no, I don't think we'll ever do a complete rewrite Yeah, so probably less lua more uh more web assembly Yeah, I think less less lua more uh more web assembly I think we will end up using rust within envoy. I think over time it'll be a mix of c++ and rust But you know, that's that's something that's going to evolve over the next couple of years I mean, there's hundreds of millions and billions of lines of c++ So I I think there's a general problem out there that we're not going to rewrite the world and we have to figure out how to gradually migrate to safer systems Definitely We are we are seeing more rust in the cloud native space, which is exciting. We've the security space has really Adopted rust and we're seeing I'm things like parsec in the sandbox and there's a lot of interest in rust there and and you know, we You know, so there's a bunch of rust projects and there's a bunch of interest in rust and I think there's a lot of I think we'll see a lot more over the next year because a lot of people, you know I talked to in the space or adopting it for these projects. So I think it's there's a lot of promise there Yeah, definitely I see it more popping up more and more but you know, very very little in let's say production As far as I'm concerned Um, anyone else on the topic of rust while we're while we're there or I dive into another question No, but on the topic of service mesh, um, I did want to highlight that Uh I think they lost michelle. Yeah, maybe lost michelle's audio. She was gonna make system. It's like just salient point That's okay Build the space with a less amazing point about service mesh than michelle's was going to be I know I was so uh, so thrilled Go ahead I will try to give us 50% of michelle's awesomeness. Um, I think for us the bigger thing is something Uh, kind of the point that matt was making more. I think about envoy that for us Talking about service mesh has been really hard because Kind of most of the company doesn't care. They just want some feature of service mesh So for us, it's been really hard to go around the company and talk about like, oh I don't know insert service mesh technology here. Do we care and Very few people across the company building features care. What they care about is that they get retries or fault tolerance or Some other interesting routing pattern that we can get from A service mesh, but it's a very rarely that anyone says like hey platform team. Give me a service mesh Yeah All right, so I think michelle may be back on so maybe you could follow up Can you hear me, okay? Yeah, absolutely Let's hope this works So, yeah, um signal working has been working on a conformance suite for smi And uh, that's a really exciting thing because whenever conformance comes around Um, and and people work on it that means, you know, multiple people are trying to implement one thing and kind of converging in a space and I think In the service mesh space like I mean like everybody else has echoed like it's really about the feature set Not really about the actual implementation. And so and and in the greater cloud native community We've just been building these modular interoperable components. Um, kind of working our Higher level like top You know to eventually To eventually end up building a really good experience for end users And eventually getting to that point where they can just be like, hey Like I just want retries and fault tolerance and a really easy and seamless ab experience like I think Since 2015 people have been asking like, how do I do ab testing in cloud native or kubernetes environments? How do I do canary deployments? So? Once we get to a point where people are like this is easy I think that'll be a success and I hope we get closer to that in the next year and See more tools being built and coming out of cloud native Competing foundation that are Really at that Higher level and and focusing on the experience rather than the details Awesome, awesome. Thank you. Thank you, michelle. It looks like we finally have some great audience participation here from Someone, uh, throw this to the audience. I'm also happy to answer it. Um, our early stage projects built by individuals Likely to be accepted in the sandbox Or is it more about vision or project maturity number contributors feature sets stability and so on anyone want to take a Because yeah, I can This go See if we say something similar. Yeah. So, um, the CNCF offers this neutral ground for collaboration Um, and we do want to be a good place for people to come together and build great projects It's not necessarily going to make sense to have one person come along with an idea Um, you know, there there is a cost associated with you know, the work to host every project So I would say that when we see people from different organizations wanting to come together it's Nearly always going to be a no-brainer that if if it's cloud native and there are multiple organizations It makes sense for them to have a neutral place to do that work And if they don't have that neutral place, they can't do that work in many cases Whereas for an individual there isn't really a blocker Preventing them from going on with their project and building up a bit of traction and making sure that it's You know something that is going to suit the community somehow by almost by definition having multiple organizations collaborating that makes it More likely to be a community relevant project, I would say Brendan was that anything like what you were going to say? Yeah, I think that was basically what I was going to say as well, which is that, you know We're not github right, we're not a project coaster And we're what we are about is facilitating collaboration and so you know, I think that You know while we have projects that are sort of led by single companies um they tend to Project that's led by a single company tends to have a higher bar in terms of number of users Uh number of sort of important importance. I mean, I think there's at cd is a great example of a very important project where there was relatively few contributors and it was basically from one or two companies But it still was important to have it. So it's not like it's a hard and fast rule, but it but I think that um The you know if you're talking about fast path or easiest way to do it build up a bunch of people who want to collaborate on something and and it's pretty much becomes a Obvious thing to add if people are interested and it hits the cloud native ecosystem And if I could add one more thing, um, I just wanted to kind of highlight that the sandbox process of getting into the sandbox has changed over the last year I think earlier we kind of had this tension between You know the projects that we led into the cncf had to meet a high bar in terms of Adoption and extensibility and security and stability and all of these things But at the same time we want to be a home for Likeless said innovation and collaboration for new projects for for To to provide kind of a neutral home for multiple companies and individuals to come together and be able to try new things And I think the old process was a little bit at odds with that So the the new sandbox project the new sandbox process has really allowed for kind of More more projects to get in and like like chris mentioned, I think we got 35 projects in this year Definitely, so I guess to kind of summarize that is you know, I don't think it's a no if you wanted to Try to submit a project that was only one person you'll get feedback eventually from the tocs though but I think in general the you know Discussion to be had each kind of project is looked at individually on on on its merits um other questions, so you know, I've been um, you know Meeting with uh, you know telcos fortunately or unfortunately, you know heavily for the last couple of months And there's kind of a lot of discussion around You know Kubernetes on the edge Kubernetes, you know, you know in smaller form factors You know, you know, what are people's thoughts on the toc? You know, are we gonna see? You know something like what happened with the linux kernel where over time just lots of different people stretching in interesting directions And moving into two new form factors and so on, you know, what what role do you think kubernetes will have? You know on the edge we have multiple Let's call them tiny distros k3s now and k0s. I I saw this this uh this week, uh Things like cube edge. I think microsoft announced something called acry recently. There's a bunch of these things popping up um All over does anyone kind of have thoughts on the role that you know kubernetes and we'll play in the edge and like what eventually the toc could kind of do to um, you know help fulfill kubernetes and cloud native on on the edge I would like to take Let's get justin and alayna and then anyone else can raise your hand Yeah, i'm right When I talk to people they all definitely want it. It's like there's huge demand for kubernetes on the edge and I think that Therefore, it's you know, it's inevitable that we will get lots of that What I like is that we've We've let in a bunch of quite experimental projects that are doing kubernetes on the edge In really different ways and I think there's because there's a lot to learn because I think I I think we don't know What the architecture of it's going to look like and I think It's great to experiment with these lots of different ways of doing it and I'm I'm really looking forward You know that shaking out as more and people actually get it into production because it's mostly experiments at the moment and Mostly little projects and getting to know That and exploring it with customers. So I think over the next year We should get a really good idea of the things that work and don't work Alayna Yeah from the end user perspective speaking All users are looking for they're looking for a universal way of delivering their applications to To different locations, whether it's a platform in your organization or something something on the edge And that's where Kubernetes on the edge really strikes as for implementation. So we have kubeh open your we have k3s Some challenges they share some challenges and some are unique to the project. So I'm just curious to To look at them and just you know, um, see um For the shared challenges What what can be what can be improved and for the new ones like for every new project It's always important to look and see like what what differs it from other Water edge projects that are already a part of cncf what unique it brings to the app system Anyone else have any or yeah If I could if I could say something this is a this is one of the I think this was the first This is the first prediction that in in in the in the you know, what's going to happen in 2021 I think all of us believe it holds tremendous potential. I wouldn't I'd love personally. I'd love to see a lot more Uh, uh, it's very experimental. I'd love to see a lot more projects I'd be you know as to see would always ask you what makes you different And what's unique but but a lot of these things you you don't really know until Until you start working on it and then engage the users Engage the community. So I definitely would engage with would encourage folks to To come up with with new distros on on your projects because this There are just so many ways to to do the same thing and it's just a standard. It's just not there yet awesome We have a few minutes left. I kind of the last question for us You know most of our end users, but you know other other books on the teaser can answer this, you know I've been working with a lot of different end users companies recently I helped bring an organization called the finops foundation the linux foundation, which is mostly dedicated to You know wrangling cloud financial management for some of us, you know who may work at a cloud provider You kind of have this Motion of cloud privileges like everything's like free pretty much But you know if you're working at maybe you know spotify or you know smaller company This stuff could get fairly, you know expensive You know quickly and the tools to kind of manage Built or predicting the cost of spending the service just seems not to be there Does anyone have any thoughts of you know how this space may evolve or what what could be done here? Because we don't have many projects at all in cnc I don't care about this problem, but I remember Dave or you know apples are fairly well off companies So maybe cost is less of a Concern Is a concern it is always a concern. I think no matter how big is your company Um, but yeah capacity planning is definitely is definitely challenging and To be honest I don't know like what are what are the tools out there that can solve everything like we are building something internally But I would be happy to see more tools Evolved in the space because it's a shared problem right no matter how big your company is Um, you need to spend your money wise and do the I do the planning carefully So yeah, I agree. That's I think that's uh, that's a good point Yeah, one small thing that I would add. Oh, yeah, sorry go ahead I was going to say quickly that for my experience one of the biggest problems that people face in this space is Not only the tooling, um, but actually tagging people's tagging people's resources to figure out how to do cost attribution And there's a couple of companies that are in this space right now And what i'm actually hopeful of is that we can develop a shared standard something something like cloud events But actually related to cost attribution And I I think that having that type of api will make it much easier to have tooling across platforms like kubernetes and other Cloud providers that can help us figure out, you know, first how to tag Everyone's resources because without having the resources tagged it's virtually impossible to make any progress here And then once that's in place, and I'm hopeful that can be an open standard Then I think there can be companies and there can be tooling on top that can help people actually with with cost cutting Yeah, it's a little bit of a perverse incentive because like the cloud provider is made, you know, you know What not care about the problem given right? Yeah, this is a this is a complex topic and Not not one that I really want to be recorded about but happy to talk with anyone about this at any time Dave had something to to stay here. Let's wrap it up. It's kind of the last Thought and comment before we we close the panel Sure, I guess the biggest thing i'll say is the same thing that matt just ended with that like there's always so much I'm gonna say recorded but i'm totally happy to talk to anyone about this And just like alina said spotify has built a bunch of internal tools for things like this Whether it's predicting or even just understanding and Labeling or cost attribution all of that stuff we've tried to open source some pieces of that But I would love to turn as much of that as possible into an open standard like matt was saying and like instead of each company building their own Thing that does 10 percent of the job poorly. Let us come together and build something that does much more of it better awesome Yeah, definitely. I think you know that could be an exciting area that people have projects in that space Please contribute them. We'd love to kind of hear from you. So with that, you know, wrapping up our 30 minutes or so Thank all of our panelists, you know, you know, folks are definitely, you know busy But everyone is very approachable. So feel free to, you know, jump in on to see meetings We nearly have, you know, you know 70 to sometimes even 100 people on these things So please jump on them and submit any projects you have. We're happy to help you. So thank you everyone for taking the time You know, con's been wild and uh, please, you know, follow us on on slack twitter and whatever communication medium for so Thank you all. All right. Take care


The recording has started. We can begin. Would anyone like to lead in prayer today before we get into our subject? How can we understand your words, give you concentration power, and understand your knowledge? And how can we read stories of lies in your words? How can we apply in our daily lives? Especially, I ask you for your help, please help me. I ask you in the name of Jesus. Amen. Thank you. Thank you so much, Savita. We were discussing on a very important subject. Last time I explained regarding intercession and Jesus Christ our intercessor. We saw how intercession is about praying for people, standing in the gap for other people. But the Lord Jesus did a work of intercession. Do you remember that? We were discussing about the work of intercession. How Jesus hung on the cross and what did he do on the cross? He carried, remember we talked about that, right? He carried our sins, he carried our sicknesses. So, when we look at that scripture from Isaiah chapter 53 and verse 12 where it says, He bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors. The word bore there is nasa which means to lift up or to lift away the burden. Now, when we look at the word intercession in the Hebrew, it is the word paga or it is to meet. So, we said that what did Jesus do? Jesus met with God to mediate, isn't it? So, on behalf of man, Jesus went to the father and he interceded, okay? The other thing is, he carried the burdens. That's also another thing that we said. And then we said that because of what he has done on the cross, he has confronted the powers of darkness. So, what is intercession today? Same thing. What do we do? Whatever Jesus did on the cross, we are doing that in prayer. So, we go to the father on behalf of other people, people's needs. One thing. Second, we carry their burdens.  So, we pray for them. That means that we are carrying their burdens. Just the way Jesus did the work of intercession, we are praying. And that is the intercession that we engage in. So, we are carrying somebody's burdens. And what else do we get out of that intercession? Victory. Satan has already defeated. But when we intercede for people, they will see victory in their lives, okay? So, it's very similar to what Jesus did. Just that we cannot perform that work of redemption. Jesus has already done it. And the Bible says, he's the only mediator between God and man for the forgiveness of our sins. So, nobody can do the work that Jesus has done. Okay? That kind of intercession we cannot do. He has already done it. Now, if we study the book of Hebrews, it says, one sacrifice forever. So, there is no need for anyone else to do what Jesus has done because what he has done is 100%. He has completed the work. What did he say when he was hanging on the cross? What did Jesus say about the work? It is finished, right? Teterless time. He said that because there was nothing else left to do to forgive the sin of mankind. So today, we don't need anybody to come and redeem us because that Jesus has already done. But in what he has done, there is a pattern. Okay, there is a pattern. That pattern is what we are applying in prayer. So, he went to the Father on behalf of mankind. We go to the Father on behalf of people. He carried our sin, sickness, burdens. We carry other people's burdens. He won the victory over Satan. Today, through our prayer, we are releasing victory into people's lives. So, that's the comparison when we talk about intercession. An intercession is something that is so key that God calls us to do. We saw last time that even though God already knows our prayers and the fact that Jesus is our High Priest now. He is a Returnal High Priest. He is interceding for us. But still we are supposed to pray.  You have to do your praying. Which means you and I, we still have to pray. Just because Jesus is our intercessor, up in heaven, you can't let go of prayer and assume or imagine that Jesus is going to do all the praying and you don't have to do any of it. So, Jesus is our intercessor. That's true. He backs up our prayers. He backs up our confession. But we still have to pray. Because that's what Jesus told us to do. Remember, there are so many instructions. He says, when you pray, pray like this. When you pray, pray our Father in heaven. Which means we are supposed to pray. And we cannot just say that Jesus as our High Priest replaces our ministry of prayer. Now, let's read more about intercession. Last time I said that intercession is very important when we care for the people. And especially those who are caring as leaders. So, if there are leaders who are appointed over God's people, one primary responsibility is to pray or to intercede. To go to God on behalf of the people. We see in the life of Abraham. Remember, we saw that he was an intercessor. Sodom and Gomorrah, God wanted to destroy. But when God told Abraham, I'm going to destroy, what did Abraham do? What did he do? Intercession. He went and he spoke to God. He started discussing with God, going back and forth for the safety and protection of that place. But ultimately, whatever Abraham asked, that minimum also was not there in that city. So, God had to finally destroy. But think about this. God is so good that he's revealing his plan beforehand to man. He's already letting somebody know. And Abraham, what do we generally term Abraham as? Anyone? Father, okay? Yes, in his relationship with God, he's known as the friend of God. Abraham is the friend of God. And the Bible says that God reveals his secrets to those who fear him. So, when we walk closely with the Lord, there are times where God will show us certain things. And I told us last time what to do when God shows us prophetic revelation comes. What to do first thing to do? Prayer. So, when we receive information, revelation from God, God speaks to us. He expects us to pray. That's the most important thing. That is why he's revealing it to us. Now over and above, suppose there is something in that which we are supposed to communicate. That is separate. Okay? After we have done our praying, we can communicate to whoever is concerned. So, that's how we are supposed to take charge of the revelation that God gives us. So, in this manner, God speaks to his people and when we pray, he even hears our prayer. Just think about it. Imagine this. Who is Abraham? Abraham is a man. He's a human being. God is God, Almighty God. Abraham is talking to God and saying, God, please don't do this. And what does God do? Does he listen? He listens. So, that is amazing for us. That God is actually responding to the prayers of a man. Now Abraham is saying, God, please don't do this. Whatever 50 righteous people will you spare the land? And it's almost like a negotiation. Like, God is willing to listen. He says, okay. If there are, then that's okay. We won't destroy. Then, again, Abraham knows there are not so many. So, how about if there are so many righteous people, God listens. God listens. Right? God listens. So, that's another very important thing for us. When we pray for people, God is listening. Okay? God is listening. And it's not that we are changing God's mind or anything like that because it is already in God's nature to give mercy and grace. Okay? Mercy is something that, you know, we deserve a punishment. But mercy is, God says, okay, no punishment. That is mercy. Right? Grace is, we don't deserve the blessing, but He still gives it. That is grace. So, mercy and grace are in the nature of God. And that is why God is listening to Abraham. Because, not that, you know, Abraham is trying to change Almighty God's mind, Almighty God's decision. It's not like that. It's already in the nature of God that he is a God who shows mercy. And that is why God is actually listening to him. So, the things which God, you can say, permits. Right? We can intercede about those matters and God will listen. God will respond. So, Abraham interceded. There was a time when he interceded for King Abimelech. What did he intercede for? Anyone? Any idea? Abimelech? What did he ask God for Abimelech? Something was... For children, ma'am? Yeah, correct. Children. So, Abimelech sinned against God.   He doesn't realize that she is married to Abraham. And then when he repents, Abraham prays. Abraham prays for Abimelech. That is intercession. He intercedes and he asks God for healing. So, Abraham actually prays for healing. For the women and for the cattle and everything. And then, as Lucy said, God gave them the ability to procreate once again. So, this is what we see in the life of Abraham, a man who interceded for others, who prayed for others. Now, Moses. Moses is another classic example who prayed for the people. I've shared already how, you know, it was tough to lead these people because, you know, they were not listening. They were doing their own thing. Each time, you know, it was a battle for Moses to really guide these people and lead them. But whenever God was upset or angry with them, he pleads with God. He says, God, please forgive your people. Your people, you know, you need to forgive them and don't punish them and things like that. So, when he prays, God relents. God hears. And the wrath that God, you know, wants to put on these people and destroy them, that is taken away. And they receive God's mercy. Remember in Hosea 1213, when we learned about the word, Shamar, preserved through a prophet. Israel was preserved. Who is this prophet? Who is this prophet? Hosea 12 and verse 13. We already discussed it in a prophetic prayer class. By a prophet, the Lord brought Israel out of Egypt and by a prophet, he was preserved. Who is this prophet? Which prophet brought Israelites out? Hosea? I was wondering whether you all need... Elijah? Elijah? Sister, it is Moses because God led the Israelites through his leadership, right? So, it's Moses. But the scriptures also call him a prophet because he heard from God. Okay, so Moses and he prayed and God heard him. The next section here is about people meeting intercessors and we talked about Job, right? In Job's difficulties, he was so desperate that he was hoping somebody will be praying for him. And even today, when God calls us, we can pray for others. See, the wonderful thing about prayer, we'll discuss later in the ministry of prayer, there is no distance in prayer. You got it?  Let's say there has been a disaster and people need food, people need clothes. We need to go there, okay? And then physically we present there to give them something, materially. But even before that can happen, we can still bless them. How can we do that? We can pray for them. And when we pray, the advantage is there's no distance in prayer. We can pray for people who are sitting right next to us. We can pray for people who are in the campus. We can pray for people on the road right now. Or even people who are in far away nations. It doesn't matter who we are praying for. It's always effective. So there is no distance as far as prayer is concerned. And so we can uphold people especially who may be in need or especially those who may be in some sort of crisis situation. Crisis or a difficult situation, right? We can pray for them and God will help them. Remember we said mercy, grace. So we can plead with God and say God release your power. Or we can pray against the work of Satan in their lives so that victory is seen. So this is the way in which we can pray. So can someone please read Isaiah 59 verse 16 and one more person Ezekiel 22 verse 30 if you can turn in your Bibles and read it aloud that may be good. Just a point to students here. I think the audio is low. We are saying audio is low. Online. Could you please check? Who's open? Isaiah? You can read it. He saw that there was no one. He was a pearl that there was no one to intervene. Okay, so he saw that there was no one to intercede. So when God looked for an intercessor God, what does it tell us about God? God looked for an intercessor. What does it tell us about God? So his own achieve salvation for him and his own righteousness That's all right. But what does it tell us about God? And it says he looked for an intercessor. His righteousness and the fact that God is open for someone to intercede and he is expecting someone to intercede. You got it? So it's not new when we intercede for someone. God will not be taken by surprise. He in fact wants it when we intercede for others. Now let's read Ezekiel 22 and verse 30. What does it say? Ezekiel 22 verse 30. Yes. And I saw for a man among them who saw who should build of the wall and stand in the bridge before me for the land I should not destroy it but I found it wrong. Okay. So God again in a situation where judgment is coming he says I looked for a man to stand in the gap. Same thing. Go to God on behalf of the people. That is what stand in the gap is. Now you tell me how many people is God looking for in this case? One person. Can you imagine just one person if they pray God is saying that he will not destroy the land. Okay. So that's really great that God is giving man this opportunity that we can pray for a whole region a nation we can pray for you know what nations even one person praying it makes a huge impact. We will learn about some of these people later when we go let me just check if there is the quote of one particular person okay. So this is a man called John Knox who was one of one of the greatest prayer warriors during the Reformation and he was famous for crying out to God and praying.  So he was so determined for his land that his land should know God. So he prayed like that he used to pray for his land okay and it is said that the Queen at that time Queen Mary of the Scots she made a statement she said I fear John Knox's prayers more than all the assembled armies of Europe. Can you imagine one man his prayers because they would have seen the power of prayer through the life of how many people I can't hear you one person right. John Knox in this case so the point that I am trying to make is when we talk about intercession even if there is one person who is committed to prayer we can impact entire regions entire nation nations it's possible because God says I look for one man to stand in the gap so that I should not destroy. So God is giving us this wonderful opportunity if he puts a burden on our hearts to pray for people we should take it up don't worry about you know how can I do it don't worry about all that if God is calling you to pray go ahead and pray imagine if one person can pray and it can be so powerful the queen is saying I don't I'm not afraid of the assembled armies of Europe I'm afraid of the prayers of John Knox so when we all get together and pray one man's prayer is so powerful you imagine if you all pray together with one heart how powerful that can be so in from history we have seen there are many such stories you know we look into them one by one but intercession is powerful and God is calling us to intercede so yeah we've seen the fact that we can even one person can pray in Jeremiah 29 7 it says God wants us to pray God wanted people to pray for the peace of Jerusalem so God called people to pray for the peace of Jerusalem he gave that responsibility to the people pray for the city even today wherever we are whichever city we are in we are supposed to pray for that city pray for the peace pray for the prosperity blessing of that city it's our responsibility Isaiah 62 verses 6 and 7 God says you know I have set watchmen on the walls of Jerusalem they will okay maybe somebody can read it Isaiah 62 verses 6 and 7 yeah please read I have watchmen on your walls Jerusalem they will never be silent day or night you who call on the Lord give yourself no rest and give him no rest till he establish Jerusalem and makes her the praise of the earth okay so what does God say I've set watchmen on the walls of Jerusalem okay and there's no rest you don't take any rest you don't give God any rest how how is it that we can labor without any rest through prayer so the watchmen here is not your usual watchmen whom we tell to sit and guard the city we are the spiritual watchmen when we pray what happens we are the spiritual watchmen right so when we pray it's like spiritually we allow and we stop through our prayers that's what God is saying you are the watchmen for the city when you pray evil will not come in when you pray blessing will come in it's all this kind of authority is given to us as believers and that is why we have to pray we have to pray for our city we have to pray for our state we have to pray for our nation and you know God will work so God is always looking for intercessors everywhere to pray and so for us it's important to rise up as intercessors so when we pray we can extend God's mercy especially for those who are going away from God we have seen that leaders like Moses have prayed for those who were not listening and here we find one John chapter 5 verse 16 it says that it is possible to pray for those who commit sin it's possible for us to pray for those who commit sin so that God extends his mercy but it also says that you know sometimes there are sins that lead to death meaning those are the extreme cases when people are so unrepentant that even when God is convicting them they are still doing the same thing so at one point this is not normal what one John 5 6 talks about normal regular believers we may not come in this category but when we become so hard in our hearts that even though the word is saying Holy Spirit is saying the community of faith is speaking to us and saying we say no forget it I won't right so there is at one point the possibility of committing sin leading to death at that point the writer says even if you pray no use right don't even pray for such a person because they have gone beyond the limit beyond the limit but as I said it's a rare thing rare one of here very rarely people reach this extreme but in general in general when somebody is sinning we can pray for them we can pray so that God can extend his mercy God can forgive them and God can bring them back into his ways so it's a good thing for us to pray for those who are wandering away from God and bring them back James chapter 5 verse 19 and 20 I will read it it says if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone turns him back let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins so there is this possibility of praying for those who are going away from God as well as speaking into their lives to bring them back when it comes to intercession we can get God's help and the best way in which we can get God's help is through his Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit of God we will study I think you already have subject and in the subject you may have seen the various features or the functions the work of the Holy Spirit one of the works of the Holy Spirit is intercession so his name itself see when we read about the Holy Spirit you will see that he is a comforter he is a counsellor he reveals things to us so you see the works that the Holy Spirit does one of the works which the Holy Spirit does is he is an intercessor he is an intercessor so Zechariah chapter 12 and verse 10 I think maybe somebody from online can read Zechariah 12 and verse 10 and also Romans 8 verse 26 and 27 two different people can pick up the passages and read it aloud Romans 8, 26 and 27 likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses for we do not know what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered now he who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God ok thank you thank you Sonia so couple of things we see here is that the Spirit himself helps us in our weaknesses ok and like he makes intercession for us so we will look into it soon what about Zechariah 12 and verse 10 Zechariah 12 verse 10 and I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a Spirit of grace and please for mercy so that when they look on me on him whom they have pierced they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child and we bitterly over him as one weeps over a first born ok thank you Sister Deepu I want to check with you what version was that NIV yes NIV ok that's good now in the NIV version it says the Spirit of grace and mercy isn't it yes ma'am ok Spirit of grace and mercy now in the NKJV version it's posted in the chat Siddil has posted thank you for that he says sorry yeah Spirit of grace and supplication remember we said supplication is an earnest request which we make to God so what is one of the names for the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of supplication now when we intercede at one point we may feel weak in our own humanness to continue to intercede for someone and that's true because maybe we have exhausted our human capacity to pray for someone but we can get help Holy Spirit one of the names of the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of supplication Spirit of grace and supplication so even before we intercede we can ask the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit help me so when we ask the Holy Spirit to help us we will be able to effectively pray for others are you all understanding yeah so yes we recognize that our maybe human capacity is not as much as we require but we can be empowered or helped by the Holy Spirit because he is the Spirit of supplication or in other words we can also say he is the Spirit of intercession so depend on the Holy Spirit in order to do intercession and the Romans 8 verses 26 and 27 where it says that the Spirit helps helps us in our weaknesses when we read that word help in the Greek it's a long word I don't even know how to pronounce I don't know Greek I don't think I can pronounce that word but the meaning of that word is given for us it says to take hold against together with to take hold against together with now if you break that up the understanding that we get is it's as if the Holy Spirit is coming to help us to take hold of us and protect us when there is something like an attack actually maybe I don't know if in the Holy Spirit class have you done that arm wrestle anyone so we can do that so I just need three volunteers quickly we don't have time so just come quickly okay who are the three volunteers okay come come but for the online audience I don't know if you can see me or see us okay don't worry about it maybe I'll explain to the online people what we are doing or how will you adjust okay good so we have to do an arm wrestle so one of you will be a child of God who wants to be child of God okay Cyril is a child of God and we need somebody to be Satan to fight with him or attack him so I leave it to you I'm not saying you only decide who wants to be just for the activity just for the activity Nelson is going to be Satan okay child of God and Satan no problem come come here the people here online cannot see fine so child of God Satan right so you go to arm wrestle okay so why don't you try maybe you'll have to do it here because they won't be able to see otherwise come here to this corner otherwise forget online people sorry everyone I'll explain to you so just do it yeah we'll have to do okay give Satan a little bit of opportunity so that in the activity he can try to attack you we'll stop this I think I have to for a second it's not a godly thing to do so okay fine so now that I talked to Nelson at least stand here Nelson and Cyril so the online people couldn't see but what happened was Nelson because of the attack of Satan he was losing right so he's actually not able to fight the devil well enough he's losing okay now we said the spirit helps us in our weaknesses and we explain that word help help us to take hold of against okay so now we will just imagine all imagination this is all just for a few moments we'll imagine Joseph is the Holy Spirit okay so Joseph please come yeah so what we will do is we will repeat the same thing but now Holy Spirit will help the child of God so you'll have the child of God fighting the devil but Holy Spirit also has to come and you have to give some support to the child of God and we'll see how well the devil or Satan can keep up with the power okay so are you ready go ahead don't break the table that's all you have to go behind him okay okay okay fine that was very easy so thank you so much guys we just saw online people I'm explaining to you so Joseph came and he helped Nelson so Cyril almost immediately you know he lost so it is like that when we work with the Holy Spirit sometimes as children of God we may feel like I'm losing I don't have the power but the Holy Spirit who is he he's the Kuzi helper right the helper he comes even when it comes to intercession when we receive the help of the Holy Spirit we may be weak but when the Holy Spirit comes to help us we can win over the devil so that's the way it works even in our lives so thank you so much thank you you're okay Cyril yeah he's fine sure so that was just for us to kind of get a picture when we say together take hold of together against so Holy Spirit is standing with us or you can have another picture have you seen when maybe a child goes to school and the child comes back home and tells the parent that all the big children are bullying me they are doing this to me they're doing that to me what happens the mom or the dad they get so angry they go with their child they literally protect their child and if there's a bully a big kid they're ready to fight with that kid right so it's something like that the Holy Spirit he takes hold of us he takes hold of us together with us against the enemy or the devil and that's what Paul is telling Paul is saying the Holy Spirit is your helper the Holy Spirit is our helper so when we fight the enemy we can take the help of the Holy Spirit not just for external enemies but also for internal sometimes the flesh the weaknesses of the flesh are our enemy and we think oh how can I overcome how can I become the person that God is calling me to become on my own it's difficult but when we take the help of the Holy Spirit even in our weaknesses fleshly weaknesses we can overcome okay was there a question I thought someone unmuted to say something okay not really that's fine let's go on so the Holy Spirit now because we are talking about intercession okay how does he help us in intercession anyone yes so one is he can strengthen our prayer he can enable us to pray you know pray more but also we have seen about ability to pray in the spirit right so when we pray in tongues that is another way to actually overcome the devil because we are praying with the power of the Holy Spirit so every time we are praying in the spirit you can imagine like what we were doing over here the Holy Spirit is coming is giving us the utterances to pray the right prayers to pray the perfect prayers and though Satan may be you know happy that he's attacking us and causing us trouble the Holy Spirit will defeat the devil okay so he takes hold of us as our helper and we can pray in the spirit so if we want the help of the Holy Spirit as an intercessor or the spirit of supplication pray a lot in the spirit see again we are going back to the power of praying in the Holy Spirit or praying in tongues so in this way we can overcome and yeah just a few more things about intercession and then we'll close it says that in order for us to be successful in intercession what do you think we need what are some qualities or some attitudes that is required on our part to be a good intercessor any qualities that make for a good intercessor good relationship or strong relationship with God anything else love and compassion because if we don't feel for others then it's hard to sort of you know relate to what they are going through we may be in our own worlds and we don't recognize the suffering or the pain that another person is going through but when we recognize that then we become a good intercessor because we can relate to their situation and so we will pray for them so moving in God's love and compassion for people is important we need to have a desire to see the change which means that let's say someone is sick we really want to see them well so then we will intercede till that happens or maybe somebody is so away from God but we desire to see them come back to God we will pray till they come back to God so that strong desire needs to be there to see that transformation next is identification you know the Bible says in Romans 12 15 rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep it simply means that we must have empathy or feel for the others now someone is very happy maybe they graduated or they got a promotion they got married it's a birthday they are so happy but on the other hand you look at some people who may have faced some you know some disaster in their lives a loss or loss of money loss of a loved one they are so grieved they are sad but when we as ministers of God we can feel for both if somebody is happy we bless them we rejoice together with what's happening in their lives but when somebody is sad we know how to actually uphold them in prayer that is very essential for us as believers and as ministers of God to be able to take charge in both situations now if you look at Jesus the Bible says he was he is our high priest isn't it in Hebrews 4 verses 15 14 and sorry 14 and 16 we see that Jesus Christ he was a high priest who can sympathize with us meaning he can feel for us why because he too was tempted in every way that we are tempted imagine if he was not tempted right we can just tell Jesus Jesus how do you know how do you know temptation because you never went through it but now we can't say that we have gone through every temptation that you and I go through but the Bible says he was tempted in all points yet without sin so being tempted is not a sin because satan does that to us sometimes we don't expect it but temptation suddenly comes you don't know what to do that is not sin but giving into temptation when you say okay fine let me do it that becomes a sin now Jesus was tempted in all points but what does the Bible say he's without sin and that is why because he faced the sufferings that we face that he is able to sympathize with us or he can understand us okay so we need to understand people that's the whole point we also need boldness to pray for others and we also need to be persistent or have a never give up attitude so with this I'm going to stop we'll come back we'll look at another subject regarding intercession okay so 10 minute break everyone let's meet at 11 am thank you


welcome back folks freedom games is our next developer coming up and you know when you have games that are like called cat cafe manager or dog shelter I think we can assume that things are gonna be pretty fun so folks here's freedom games I decided you know I've dabbled in indie games I'm gonna give this one last shot let's just make a yes it felt like jumping to the defense I realized that making games is like a real thing that you can do it's just so that's the word is liberating we owned this project we just want to make a fun game you have an idea of what the vision of it looks like but then it actually coming out the other side looking like that it's pretty rare I cope out of the studio with two my friends we had all worked at a company that did not end up turning out like you know any of us had hoped so coming out of that experience the three of us we wanted to do something that felt a little bit more authentic to who we were and what we liked going into it we knew that we had complementary skill sets having the the kind of the core pillars of game design already there and having experience we were able to cover a lot of bases this is really the first time we've been able to pour so much of ourselves into the development of a game I think I'm most proud of us being able to look at this game and know that we're hitting our own quality bar especially for our first game you think you know everything well I guess we got to figure it out the four of us who started the studio worked in AAA I left to go start making indie games so we took that opportunity to kind of use our old friend group and our old expertise to start up the wandering band it was the first time that all of us felt complete creative control that was fun it was a challenge it was also scary at the beginning on a AAA team you have technical artists and a dozen animators I think the biggest challenge for us was trying to learn new skills and new parts of the game development process without ever doing it before but I wouldn't trade it away I think it's the creativity and creative freedom is totally worth it. These were our favorites and we tried to combine a lot of different elements from different games and give it a unique touch and shout out to our community they helped us translate the demo they helped us get out the words the demo has been played over a million times it's just great to get a community like that they helped us make common what it is. I had lived in Kyoto for a while but I had gone to a cat cafe and it was such a surreal experience for me at the time so we sat down we prototyped cat cafe manager when you're petting a cat I don't know what it is like endorphins that are being released like the good feeling that you get from that we kind of wanted to put in the game we live in the time it's like pretty stressful and out of control in a lot of ways so for us it's very important that you sort of get a cozy feeling when you get introduced to the game just making the cat cafe of your dreams. So as Tanner the other lead developer on the game we've been together for since middle school I guess there's no companies right there's no video game companies in Little Rock or the state of Arkansas so we decided to just be the first to rescue is where you play as somebody working in a dog shelter and taking on all the responsibilities that entails. People love dogs so much but this is also about raising awareness right it's both of those things. There's diseases that can appear in the shelter it's dirty and adopters only want the cutest puppies and they don't want the old dogs. Essentially I just want people to walk away with more knowledge about the things we're representing. We've gotten a lot of people that work in real shelters that are like I'm glad that you're doing this because a lot of people don't realize how hard the work is and how thankless it is so 20% of every dollar that Little Rock Games makes from this game is going to be going to the Pet Finder Foundation. The game is about being hopeful that you can improve your community in some small way. I first started getting into games probably about seven or eight years old tinkering around with game engines I started putting games on the web flash games and things like that. I always liked the idea of really silly deaths. Characters getting blown to bits in like a cartoony way.  I come up with the idea of having like a Ninja Warrior slash Total White Power death competition. I was actually working two jobs at the same time as developing the game. I have all these fantastic ideas while I was there. You know I'll be on the checkout just thinking about slowly and about time I get home I'm just like we ended up deciding that it would be best if I work full time on the game. This game it sounds corny but it's changed my life in that way whereas no other game had before. It's just flipped my life to where I want it to be so to finally be able to do this as a job is just insane. I love it.  I did just fine but I worked on dark deity I didn't work on my own work. None of us have ever worked on games that also for the majority of development have worked on it in the dorm.  I learned how to code for like a whole week I just didn't leave my room didn't eat didn't do anything. You know where we're at we're all 23. Two of us haven't graduated college yet to be at E3 is pretty exciting. Maybe I should raise my race. This has consequences. This would make for a fine table. I've always thought that I would be good at making video games. My mom just sent me a picture of a drawing I did when I was like eight titled my own game. I was diagnosed with Asperger's autism as a child and I basically kind of just told myself now there's no way I could be in management but through therapy as a child and then continuing my own efforts I overcame it. Now I'm doing my dream doing something I thought I couldn't do. Through this process I've really learned how valuable people are. There's 20 people on the team. I'm just one of them and I'm hoping to convey some of that through the games narrative. You have to have growth and you have to have progress. So for us with one lonely outpost loneliness helps highlight the value of connection. That took us a long time to get here. We put a lot of hard work into it. Chipping games brings tough times but we've also seen like success together. Success for us is defined as being able to continue to do this because we really love it. We want to be what we know and be the best at that. Making something that people enjoy. Thank you Freedom Games for that showcase. Passionate. Diverse. Different. Unexpected David. That's what I would call it. If you weren't paying attention Freedom Games is providing 20% of the profits of to the rescue to the Pet Finder Foundation and now gentlemen it's time to react. I will start with I don't know maybe I would speak for everybody. For Greg Miller I wasn't that familiar with Freedom Games before. I'll give you this 2021. I am now a Freedom Games fan. Like I liked what I saw there. I know you're a freedom fighter. You know I'm a lover not a fighter. I'm a freedom lover. All right. Is that better? Coramon. Cat Cafe manager to the rescue and then Slaughter League all jump out at me but you guys are the experts. Dan what did you like? Well first I have to give it up for to the rescue not only is it great way to support the Pet Finder Foundation but I really like that kind of simulation game you saw a great pairing there whether you're a cat fan or a dog fan you can come together to celebrate these awesome pets with a fun like sort of management sim it looks really at my alley but I dropped my notes so I'm just gonna stick with those for the time. Oh thank you so much. You dropped this King. Oh thank you. Thank you. The one I really want to talk about because Michael and I were geeking out about it was Dark Deity. Yes. Strategy RPG that looks like very up the alley of anyone who likes Fire Emblem or things like that. Sure. I also like they have an XCOM-esque wound system which I appreciate adds another layer to it so looks pretty pretty exciting. I thought it was cool there's it was cool pixel art also but also anime style hand drawn art.  I'll say that I'll say that much. That was the one I mean for Dark Deity you went oh I wrote my only note on Dark Deity is Mikey likes. You liked it. Yeah and like and Cat Cafe Manager you know freedom games really hit me with my brand. Yeah because I love cats it's so cute.  Say less. Damon you love cats did Cat Cafe Manager work for you. For sure I've been to many a Cat Cafe. Okay I have some ideas about how they might be run better.  This fool's lying. No no no it's true. Oh it's true. Yeah yeah yeah anything else stand out to you. I mean the games are coming so quickly. Yeah you see like well this game looks interesting and then they're on to the next one. There was a I think it's fair to say it's a Pokemon like in there. Mon's even in the title. Koromon is in the title. Koromon. I think there's more to it than that. There's definitely like animal battling. Well when it started I was watching and he started like moving puzzles like oh I wrote very Zelda like and then it became Pokemon. I was like oh very Pokemon like actually I'm sorry I got this one wrong. As you can see ladies and gentlemen right now you can get out there and vote no matter which platform you're watching E3 2021 on you can vote right now. Cat Cafe Manager is winning nearly with 32% right behind it Koromon with 26% and then Dreamscaper with 19%. Remember no matter where you are watching you can put it in your chat of choice and if you want to just roll down your window and yell somebody else will we'll figure out how to tally it up there right? Yes sir. One also another thing that extend extension from the indie showcase that we saw like a lot of experimentation. Exactly. Yeah even though we saw some things that are kind of like oh that reminds me of this that reminds me of Fire Emblem that reminds me of Pokemon they're still putting their spin on it and like I like to see those kinds of things in those games. Everyone has an inspiration so it's like I want to make the game like make something similar to the game that I love so. It's all this evolution I mean like think about one lonely outpost for example yeah we were joking around like oh Space Dew Valley because it does look Stardew Valley inspired which in turn is inspired by Harvest Moon so there's a lot more that you can do with this kind of genre this type of game no one really gets to be sort of the be all end all of that category or genre and I'm excited to see what they can offer here so it's nice to see a lot of these indie developers wearing their influences on their sleeve. I was really excited about Slaughter League for example. Yes it looks like that kind of competitive madcap fun of a game like Fall Guys for example but with the kind of murdery chaos you'd expect from like a Smash TV or like a oh god like I'm blanking on the name right now Meat Boy. It's funny you mentioned Meat Boy right in the panel before right in the panel panel before where they were doing the indie games conversation. Ed McMillan talked about the fact that the power of Indies is that you don't have to appeal to the mainstream and I think that's why this one stands out in terms of a conference so far and we can all find something else to hone in on right where it's like yeah I don't know if to the rescue a realistic you know sim about running a rescue operation for dogs and cats would stand out in or make sense for a big publisher who has to get a big return on their investment but for this team here that wants to do a dog shelter and wants to have this stuff and wants to you know get profits out there there to people and help yeah that's great. It's smart of freedom games too in addition to showing trailers or gameplays for for the games to actually put the creators in front of the camera as well yeah indie games can be so much more personal it's it's so much more one person's vision or a very small team's vision. Totally yeah one of the things I loved about it when you're watching there to the to the rescues they showed them at PAX right and if you've never had the chance to go to a PAX I urge you to do it and then go to the indie mega booth when we know when you can go to things again because yeah getting to sit there and get a demo from somebody like oh what do you do in the game like I make the game it's the most personal way and the best way to get it. Ladies and gentlemen when we return our friends at ven will give us a special edition of their series origin stories featuring 100 thieves founder and CEO nade shot that and more after this.