Welcome to another edition of Vermont Community Commons. Today we have a special guest, Norman James, who from 1959 to 1972 was a veteran news reporter here in Vermont for WDV, WCAX, and then back with WDV before his time as Press Secretary and Communications Director for then Governor-elect Thomas Salmon. Norman, welcome to the broadcast. Thank you very much, Ken. Pleasure to be here. I hope to entertain you so you can continue that inocularity. I've known this fellow for a very long time and we're glad to have you here to tell us some great memories, stories, reflections on Vermont history. You started as a young fellow in your 20s at WDV, it was 1959 Eisenhower's president before John Kennedy, the interstate highway is being built in Vermont and in Waterbury, and so tell us about the beginning. Let me lead up to that, to my sojourn here in Vermont. In 1953, I graduated from Spaulding High School, and I went to work down in Springfield, Massachusetts. In 1955, I joined the Air Force. I was going to join the Navy and I walked up the stairs where recruiting offices were and I went to the left to go in the Navy and the guy was set out to lunch. So I walked in to the Air Force and the thing is that Sergeant Wing said, there I am. So I joined the Air Force, four years. The last two and a half years I was in the Air Force, I was stationed in the Philippines at Clark Air Base and I was a headquarters 13th Air Force as a radio and television news announcer for Armed Forces Radio and Television. How I got there is another story, we'll get to that one later maybe. But so I gained whatever experience I had for broadcasting in the Air Force, I want to give them credit for that. So I did come back to DEV, I came back home, called up Rusty Parker, that is, asked me to come in for an audition. It was a CBS audition. And I got everything right until I got to the pronunciation of Haverill and I'm reading the news. Is it New Hampshire? Is it New Hampshire? Or Harriman? Right. And I kept saying, Haver Hill. And after it was all over, Rusty said, it's Havero. But this is interesting because it was the old Ken Squire's father, Lloyd Squire, who listened to the tape and I think had something to say about that. Because right about that time Ken was ending his college career in Boston and coming back and at that time DEV was changing its format in the morning from six to noon. I was on the air from two, actually I was not on the air, I was there at the station from two until 11 at night. And I was on the air at four o'clock with a show called Spins and Needles. Hi there, guys and gals, teens and queens. This is the guy with the two front names, Norm James, sitting twigs and twin turntables dusting off the stacks of wax for your listening pleasure on the Spins and Needles show. This is great. This is great. That kind of knocks your socks off there. Did the Herald Grout pastor about the... Oh, that one. You asked me before we went on the air, you asked me about the trading post. Herald Grout. He did the trading post in the morning. Herald Grout, long time employee at WDEV. A wonderful human being. Cousin Herald, as he was known, that was his air handle. Cousin Herald and he did the trading post every morning from 6.30 to 7 o'clock. Right. Because of Cousin Herald, Ken came up with the following station break. WDEV, the station of stature in Herald Grout's pasture on the hill in Colbyville. Triple tower power. Wonderful stuff. And those were the days, my friend. They were the days. Radio. Those were the days. Radio is today. All those changed, obviously. It's very much changed. God, it was incredible that day. And I enjoyed it so much because it was even before cell phones, obviously. But I always said, give me a telephone, put me in a telephone booth, and I can tell you what's happening. And that's where my introduction into real news. What is happening? And if you're telling the story about what is happening, you're reporting it. Yes. You're not journalizing it. Now, journalists can write until the cows come home. But all of a sudden until they get to describe what the reporter sees on the scene. In radio. Because they can already see it on television. The television was new. It started in 54. It was brand new. So five years 59. Radio was still dominated. Oh, yes. Absolutely. No question. Yeah. And DEB had that time. We had two patterns. One was the nighttime pattern. That when the sun went down, we had to go from 5,000 watts to 1,000 watts. And the circle was actually like an egg. Right. The small part of the egg around Burlington. And the big part of the egg down around White River. That's how big our pattern was. Wow. And so when the sun came up, we shifted to 5,000 watts, which was relatively new for DEV at that time in 1959. And well, DEV had been on the air since 1938, I believe. Right. 37, 38 something like that. The thing was from Burlington to White River. To White River. That's the basic pattern. Right now, you can pick us up in Platsburg and pick us up in Claremont. Right. And almost into Concord, New Hampshire. Right. In Canada. From Claremont. You pick them up in Canada. As a matter of fact, we used to have a conflict with a station around Halifax, Nova Scotia, because they were at 550 on the dial. Oh, wow. And being a Canadian station, they were governed by different rules. Right. And at nighttime, if we went 5,000 watts, we interfered with their signals. Sure. And they complained. I understand. WDV goes to Halifax, Nova Scotia now. Well, it was one New Year's Eve when I was working. It was one New Year's Eve, right? What do you do on New Year's Eve? You don't talk. You play music. Sure. Guy Lombardo. Well, no. No. Not Guy Lombardo, no. Okay. Now you play the good stuff, like Count Basie and Duke Ellington. Okay. Right. Maybe some little George Shearer in there. Benny Goodman. Benny Goodman. Yeah, Guy Lombardo. That's for New York City. I see. You know, the top of whatever, the Ambassador Hotel. Sure. That's something different. The TV people. Well, we were at a thousand watts, and I'm talking to my engineer who's up on the hill. And we have a communication device. I'm saying, you know, I really have a mood to crank this thing up to 5,000 watts at midnight. What do you think? The boys come back and say, I'm with you. And so at 11.59.30, we paused just for a minute so he could do whatever adjustments he hit. And he said, bang, he came back. And he said, you're on. So 5,000 watts.  Right. Like in the mood. We went to two o'clock in the morning. That's wonderful. We got postcards from Pennsylvania. That's great. It was fun. Yes. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. And then the Kennedy Nixon race in 1960. Very close. I was on the board.  I was on the board at 5 o'clock in the morning and went to the newsroom. This out close to the race. We went to the newsroom, pulled off the UPI, went back to the control room, and I was taking a look at the boat, quick totals like that. There was less than 10,000 boats at that time. That's right. 10,000 nationally. Who would have ever thought about that? And I don't remember it being as divisive as we see politics today. Maybe it was in the back room. But I could never, ever imagine that. There were people who were very opinionated. There was no question about that. And that showed. Right? It showed. And that back in 1959, it just absolutely showed that the population in the United States and it's held fast have differing opinions, two major differing opinions, and now a third is creeping in.  It's just a little bit different. But the judicial parties were very strong back then. Yeah. And the Eisenhower period was coming to a close, and then John Kennedy was the new senator from Massachusetts. Right. And then Adelaide Stevenson, for Kennedy to become the new nominee was, he won by 14 votes, by the way, barely got that nomination with the skin of his teeth. Byron White was the reason why he delivered the Colorado delegation in Wyoming. On the floor. That's why he became the Supreme Court person. Of course. I'm sure it is. Later. Sure. So thank you. Right. It's not a payback. It's a thank you. So then Philoff becomes governor in 62, two years later. Boy, this is an event. Let me back up a little bit. Sure. 1960. Uh-huh. Another little vignette of relationship with the governor. This was in 1958, 1959, I joined DEV in the latter part of 1959, Bob Stafford is still governor. Right. And there is a soapbox derby, a derby being held in Barry on Park Street, and it goes like this, right? Uh-huh. So they closed off traffic. Yeah. So I, there, I'm doing something live, right? You know, there he goes, but, so the governor, I say, Governor Stafford, how are you doing this? I'm doing fine. Here's the governor. Right. Bob Stafford. Bob Stafford. He's got a live mic on the state's largest radio station, and I'm asking, giving him the opportunity to say something. Right.  Sounds like Bob Stafford. Yeah, yeah, fine, and then that went on, right? The campaign 1960, the Republican campaign 1960 between Ray Keeser, the incumbent, and Bob Stafford. Bob Babcock. Not even Bob Babcock. In the primary. In the primary. Because Stafford went to Congress. B. William Meijer. Right. And we're talking about, we're talking about the incumbent, Ray Keeser, against Bob Babcock. Bob Babcock is living in South Burlington. Right. Brian Harwood was given the assignment to go cover Ray Keeser. I was given the assignment to go cover Bob Babcock. And what, what that meant was that we go there and we keep track and we say, what do you think? What do you think? How do you feel? What's in your head? Oh, that kind of stuff, right? And Bob Babcock and I get along very well, and I know that Brian and Ray Keeser get along very well. And at one point Brian said on the air, maybe we could get your guy and my guy to talk to each other. And I said, Brian, my guy is tied up probably for the next three hours. So anyway, that went on and, and the, Keeser wins the primary, all right? Keeser wins the primary, and he goes up against Phil Hoff. Now, there was no, oh, and that was the Republican primary, right? I'm missing something in my mind right here because I was also sent to Ray Niquet's house. Well, one of the, the 1960s was probably Ray Niquet. No. No. Because Hoff was 62. Yeah. And I know Hoff was 62. Oh, I was. I was. Anyway. Right. Ray Niquet lost. Right. So there's, I'm, I'm two primaries right here, and I'm losing twice, right? So 1962 comes along, and it's a general election. And Rusty says to me, well, why don't you set a good job for covering the losers? We'll send you to Phil Hoff's house. In 62 November. In 62 November. And I said, yeah, fine. Okay. That's okay. So I went over to his house election night. General election night, 1962. And I arrived at his house. They were most gracious, he and, and, and Joan, his wife, Joan. And he said, I'm going to be very busy. And I said, I understand that. I'm just going to be watching you, and I'll be just reporting on what you're doing and what I see. And if I have a question, I'll make sure you know it in advance. See? All right. Anyway. Very polite. I did that twice, right? And then the third time I said, okay, it's enough about asking you in advance. Next question. Anyway, as the night progressed, right, the votes were very, very tight, very tight. And with a name escaped from you, a lawyer, very large, I'll think about it as we go along. Fred Fayette? No, no. It wasn't Fred Fayette. Larrow. Bob Larrow. Bob Larrow, right? Well, in, in Phil Hoff's house, you walk in the front door and there is a, you know, it's the entryway. Others go up to the left, go this way to go into the living quarters. And there is two phones. One is mine, and the other is the house phone. And about 11 o'clock at night, Larrow parks himself right in front of that table. And I know what he's waiting for. He's waiting for the Winooski vote to come in. Everybody is. This time, though, the house is jam-packed. Oh, my God, I never could get into the other side because I had to be there. The phone rings. Larrow picks up the phone and he says, tell me. And all of a sudden I reach around, he didn't even grab my phone, right? The whole thing. Right. Right? Because it was the whole thing.  Right. And Phil Hoff walks in because he hears Larrow say, tell me.  I grabbed the governor by the arm, up the stairs we go. First room on the left is his bedroom. Priscilla Laplante, his secretary, follows us upstairs, right? We go into the bedroom. He goes on that side of the bed. I'm on this side of the bed. Priscilla's there. And I say, lean against the door because people want to come in. Sure. And so, and I could hear Rusty saying, we'll go to South Burlington. And here is, here's Norm James. And I said, thank you, Rusty. The Rock River Republican State of Vermont had been cracked to its very foundation with the election of Philip Henderson Hoff as its next governor. And Phil Hoff is looking me across the road and all of a sudden he starts to run his hands through his hair. Like, what am I going to say? Right. What am I going to do? And I said, Governor-elect Hoff, how are you doing? He handed over to, and he said a few words and so forth. But then you could went. Great moment. It was a great moment because then you could feel the whole house rock. Oh, yeah. The house was really a little rock. And poor Priscilla was just leaning against the door, about two or three people on the other side wanted to come in. That moment passed. Phil went out and then, as the story, as you know, he went on to a new ski. The parade. The parade. The big parade. Right? And that was that moment. That was just that freeze that moment. And you were there. I was there. Every second. But I will never forget that look on his face. Looking at me, rubbing his hands through his hair, like, what do I do now? And he went on to have one of the most successful administrations. He was the first governor that I know of to go for three two-year terms. And it was kind of tight that third time around. But the very first thing he did, though, was gather around him very intelligent people. Now, you remember being at that time called the Tavern Motor Inn. It was a capital plaza today. Great big table. He had two great big tables, right? Each filled, ten times, twenty people. And he said, these are the smartest people that I know of in these various skill sets. And he said, I want to start with this. Tell me what you know. And he had people taking notes all over the place. And that was the genesis of his very first legislative thing. And remember, he had to get it done. This was November. He had to get a budget in. By January. By January. A Republican legislature. A Republican legislature. A Republican legislature. The first Democratic governor. Correct. And only the budget. The reapportionment had not happened yet. That's true. That was one man. That was one town, one vote, two hundred and forty-six towns and cities. That's the size of that House of Representatives and thirty senators, but again not based on population. Right. So the town of Stratton had thirty-eight voters and the religion of thirty-eight thousand. Correct. And they each had one vote. Correct. Right. Right. Well, the reapportionment, let me finish this off. He not only had, he had what he called the inaugural address. Right. And at that time, when the governor was sworn in, just a few years ago they stopped doing the following. The Army National Guard brought up their 105 Howitzers up onto the top part of the walkway. And when the governor was taking the oath, they just fired off these cans of twenty-one gun salute. Right? The windows were just rattling. Oh, people were fearful that they'd really want to break. But it was a sign. But it was, that was remarkable. And he went to the legislature, he got things done, Bill Billings was the secretary, was the speaker of the House. Speaker from Woodstock. Yeah. One of the young Turks. Exactly. Well, remember when Phil Hoff was a part of the House, represented from Burlington, he and Bill Billings. Dick Mallory. Dick Mallory. John Downs. You're right. Gibson. Gibson. They were called the young Turks. And a few years ago, the same political philosophy was called Blue Dogs. But these guys were the young Turks. And they were... Mainly young Republicans. Mainly. Mainly, yes. And they were thirties. Right. But they were thoughtful. Forward thinking. Thoughtful is a very good word. Very... Akin Gibson Republicans. Right, yes. Well... Jeffords Stafford. He wouldn't step to that. Right. But anyway, Phil Hoff had a very successful administration. His run for the Senate against Winston Proudy. On the Proudy side, the decision was made by Chuck Colson. Remember that name? Yes, I do. Chuck Colson. One of the guys was indicted because of Watergate. Right. Well, he was the instructor for Proudy's campaign, directly from the Nixon White House. You will not campaign. We will have it. You remember this? Proudy must serve us again. Yes. That's all they play. Right. Great lingo. You never saw him... You never heard him on the radio. You never saw him on television. That's all they had, right?  Cooked up some dirty tricks that happened against us. And Phil did have a personal issue with alcohol. Fought it. Didn't let it. Fought it. They brought it out and so forth, and then they just kept hammering on it. Nixon came to Vermont. Nixon did come to Vermont for Proudy. Still a safe Republican state at the time. At the time. Right. Tell us about reapportionment. We have about eight minutes left on this segment. Eight minutes left. We may have to do three segments. It's going to be a part one, part two, maybe a part three. But reapportionment was 64. You went to Channel 3 at the time. In 1959, I went to Channel... No, in 1964, it was after the election in November of 1964 that I went to Channel 3. I was hired from WDEV. Mickey Gallagher had talked with Red Martin, the owner of Channel 3 at the time, about setting up a Montpelier Bureau. And when Mickey gave me a call to want to have lunch, he talked to me about that concept and I liked it very much. I thought that it was time for Channel 3 to expand because that bureau could also be used for other news directly out of Montpelier or even Barry. Right. You know, you could have a live satellite situation. You've already got the satellite yet, but it was all film, right?  It was before Technicolor. And Bob Mesterton was one of the cameramen. And you sit down for an interview like this. And if I'm the camera, he would take a tape measure to go from the lens to your nose and set the aperture. Hi, Jack. Yeah. Well, Walter Cronkite called it the one-ton pencil. And that's what it was. Yeah. But it was fun. Also... And you're the first bureau chief for Channel 3 WCAX in Montpelier. That's true. 64-65 time period. Correct. Right. And that happened in November. We had the bureau set up in December of 64. And it was at that time I was getting myself adjusted to who's in the legislature because they were going to come back in January. And I wanted to make sure that I was up to speed and 1965 was going to be the reapportionment year. Right. There were about three pieces of legislation on the House side that were introduced. One calling for a 90-member house, the other for a 210 and the other for a 150. And understand at the same time the Vermont legislature was under federal court order to reapportion. Mm-hmm. I mean, and they had to reapportion by June 30th. Well, they did. But it was very emotional. I would say that more than ever, not only were the changing almost political philosophies at that time because I think that's when the bend came from being more conservative Republican to being more moderate Republican and the introduction of the Democrat philosophy in terms of public policy. Mm-hmm. That was the whole thing. Reapportionment. The watershed moment for Vermont history. Oh, there's no question about that. And I hope that that one piece is taught in Vermont history in all of the schools, whether or not the school carries Vermont history, it's a part of the economy.  From that moment on, things changed. So it was 240 members? It was 246 members. And they went to 150. They went to 150. They lost about 100. That's a lot. They lost about 90. Yeah. Emory Hebert of Glover was the chair of the reapportionment committee, 25 members. And it was his committee that had to go through the 90, 150, 210 versions and what that was going to mean. It wasn't just picking a number because he also had a mathematic issue. You had to discern which contiguous districts would give you a certain amount of voters. Right. Because one man, one vote, right? So the person from Burlington, that's why Burlington ended up with so many representatives, right? And that's why Stratton is now in with a group of towns that equal that number of voters. So that was the whole basis of reapportionment. In the Senate, they stayed at 30 senators, but they realigned some of the Senate counties. They used to be based on counties. Now they're senatorial districts. And so you will see like Chittenden Grand Isle, Essex Orleans and Caledonia separately. Right. Now you see those senators to equal, I think it's 3,000, used to be 3,000 voters. So that way, I remember Frank Hutchins from Standard, way up in the northeast kingdom, 90 people I believe, something like that. And he, as you walk into the house, he's on the right hand side. Tom Schmidt, represented from Burlington, is on the left and upper back. And I'm up next to the rosters at the camera going, that's where we were, capture it all. Frank Hutchins stood up and reached up, clicked the camera on, and he got to talking about don't forget a small town. Reached into his back pocket, pulled out his white handkerchief, tears were rolling down his eyes. And he says, just don't forget a small people. That's a poignant moment. That is a moment that tells everything about reapportionment, about the establishment of public policy. Because if you really believe that public policy starts at the grassroots bottom up, then you have to remember those folks. Next question. Well it's really Vermont from the 1800s moving into the 1900s. Yeah, but I wasn't there in the 1800s. The legislature was an ornament from the 1800s that had one person. Reminds me of a story at one of the local watering holes many years ago, I'm enjoying it. The Brown Derby or the Tavern? No, no, the Thrush. The Thrush. Oh, if you can speak. I came later. You can speak, speak of the Thrush. And so, no, it was just about age and so forth. You've got nothing to do with anything except they're playing trivia. And somebody said, so what was the name of the play at Port Cedar when Lincoln got shot? And I said, our American cousin. Somebody left me and said, how do you know? I was there. Also a vineyard for 65, it was the year that there used to be more cows than people, but from 65 on, there's more people than cows. Big shift. And the town of Victory finally had electricity. 1968. 1968 was when Victory was electricity. And those are my roots there. In Victory. In Victory. My grandfather was born there, and my great-grandfather was born there. In 1968, then they used to have the Holiday in the Hills to celebrate that. It was George Akin that was responsible, the United States Center was responsible for rural electrification. It's nomenclature that represents what they did, and they strung that electric line, I think, from North Concord right up Victory Road. And by golly, the lights came on. The last town in Vermont to receive. Yeah, but can you imagine what that was? What month? 1968. I don't know the month. But can you imagine what it was like before then? Kerosene lanterns all over the place are candles. Right. You know, talk about being in the forest with a lighted match. We'll take a short break, and we'll be back in just a moment with Norman James. About 1.30 in the afternoon, and all of a sudden, there's music on, so I wasn't on the air per se, but I was reading a commercial, getting it ready. And all of a sudden, the red lights go, zoom, zoom. And I could hear the machine banging, banging, banging. The bells going off, bells going off. Oh, wow. So I got up and walked up, and UPR was saying, all off. Everyone off. Excuse me. I said, Kennedy shot, flash, Kennedy shot, bang, and then the paper came up, all off, all off. Dallas has the wire. And then President John F. Kennedy shot, bang, man, that's coming off. Rusty Parker's office, the control room, one end of the building, 9 Stowe Street, 2nd floor. Back of the building was control room, the front of the building, up over Edtown store at that time, was Rusty Parker's office, right? So you come out of the newsroom, we call, where the cell-time machine is, and I yelled, hey, Rusty. And he looked up, and I said, let's go. And so he came in and he was running through the record library, and I said, Kennedy, he's been shot. And he said, okay. So he took the bulletin, and he went on the air with it. And in the meantime, I've got some, we call it long-playing music, but it's not a drab symphony, it's just different kind of music. Rusty put it right on and said, well, you interrupt this broadcast and bring you this following, and so I was feeding him, and then I was on the phone calling the governor, calling Lieutenant Governor, calling all state officials, calling everybody I could find for a reaction to all of this. It was fresh news. And then at the typewriter at that time, a royal, manual, banging this stuff out, ripping it off and taking it into the control room. Ken came bouncing up the stairs. Ken Squire. Ken Squire, yeah. Came bouncing up the stairs. He said, wow, what's happened? The office staff, Barbara Butterfield, Conny Therrien, and I have forgotten for some reason the other third lady that was there, oh, and not a Conny Therrien, but Conny Graves and a fourth lady, I forgot her name, all of a sudden, they're speechless. And they're just so emotional. And so that was that moment. It was really tough. It was tough. I saw a leader, the Walter Cronkite video, when he took off his glasses, right? Boy, I know exactly how he felt at that time, and I think everybody did, regardless of political strike. They did that, right? So that happened on that Friday afternoon. Sunday morning, I'm on the air, the following Sunday, right? By that time, there was a cartage for the funeral procession going to, on this way, to the cemetery to Arlington. And I'm listening to a mutual network on the wire. That was our, you know, listening to them describe what's happening. And then all of a sudden, I'm playing in the middle of a church program, right? A live church program. And all of a sudden, a mutual comes on and says, Oswald has been shot. We'll take you now to the Dallas County Jail. And they had a reporter there. And the reporter is talking, you know? And I'm sitting there with a church thing going on here, national news happening, okay, here we go. So open the mic. We interrupt this program for this news from Dallas, Texas, Lee Harvey Oswald, who was arrested as the alleged assassin of President John F. Kennedy has been shot in the jail. And I'm listening and saying the same thing. I was doing that before they do it today. It was, it was there. And finally, okay, that was news, mutual came out, put them on and that was that.  Amazing weekend. I went home. Exhausted. I did. It was a Saturday night. It's always been a hockey night in Canada. And where we lived, we could pick up Channel 6, CBM Montreal. And they had a hockey game going. And I said, I, so I put the hockey game on. I hit it on for two minutes and I said, I can't watch this. I've got to get back. That is how strong that was. And that was, how was that? November of 1963. Correct. In 1964, you go to Channel 3, CX. I go to Channel 3. 65 is a reapportionment section. And they're about 10 years old. They started in 54. Channel 3. Yeah, yeah. Right. And they had a one-ton pencil. Did they have like a 15-minute news show at 6? They did have a 15-minute news show. Was it Mickey Gallagher the maker then? Yep, yep. Richard Gallagher, Mickey Gallagher. And Tony Adams was doing sports. Sports and Tony Weather. Right. Ken Green was doing whatever. Charlie, Charlie, he was in charge of development. I see. PR development stuff. And Charlie... Lewis? Lewis was in charge of public affairs. Right. He did the You Can Quote Me program. And that was fun to be on. You get a guy on and ask him questions. Mickey was the consummate news person. He really, really tried very hard. He admitted that he was, you know, a very conservative guy. But he really tried very hard to be open to that. And he used to tell me, well, what are you? I said, I'm a moderate. Well, you can't be because the opposite of a moderate is immoderate. So we talk political philosophy. Every Friday night when I go over to do the program. Right. So, yeah. I was going to mention, oh, in 1966, that was the reapportioned 150-member house. The new election of 1966 produced the new... Correct. The new house. Correct. Correct. And what happened there was... Post-3rd term begins as well. Yeah. The 3rd term begins. But then all of a sudden, reform begins. Welfare reform begins. The poor farms are taken away. The overseer of the poor is gone. Every time it's got a health hub. In other words, socially. The bar was being slowly raised here in the state of Vermont. And for all the right purposes. But then after that came... I was there and went back to DEV. After the... In 1968? November of 1968. And I stayed there. Back to radio? Back to radio. Russell Parker gave you a raise? Yes. He was struck. He did. Yes, he was a director. He did. How could they live without you? Covering the state house again. Still, I should say. Right. Only this time I didn't have the big one-ton pencil. Had a little tape recorder to a microphone. More mobile. More mobile, right. And my office was literally the size of a telephone booth. All I needed is all I needed. Were you guys up in the crow's nest? Yes. That's where I started there at DEV. Up in the crow's nest. Under the dome, which you can't get to today. There's going to be some reconstruction up there. Yeah. UPI, AP, the Press Bureau, which was Rutland-Herald and Times-Argus. The Free Press and DEV were all up there. So whose press were the... Steve Terry? Was he there? Steve Terry was in charge of the Press Bureau. John Mahoney worked for him. Bill Moran was the head of AP. And Bill Moran went on to CPS as a producer in New York. Right. Vic Markey was with the Free Press. But Mavis Doyle was a Free Press at that time. Right. Because Mavis Doyle went to Channel 22. Wait a minute. Vic was with the Free Press in Burlington. Right. Then he went to Channel 22. Right. With Brian Harwood by the way. Correct. And then he went on to public radio. After... He went from there to Bob Stafford's office in Washington. And then from there to public radio in Washington. Right. But Mavis Doyle then worked for the Free Press. Right. After Vic Markey. Right. Right. So what was she like? Well, Mavis was a great reporter. Sometimes very victorialic, but boy, she really... You've heard this before. And I don't know who came up with it, but they were right. Mavis had a mantra. All right? Is you comfort the afflicted and afflict the comforted. And she wanted just to make sure that the people on the short end of the stick got a fair shake. That was her mantra. And she did that. Another Mavis Doyle story. One time there was a... I won't mention him, a former lobbyist from Massachusetts government came to Vermont to live and work in our state house as a lobbyist. And Mavis was probably about five, ten, six foot tall. She was a tall lady. And she smoked Chester Fields. She did. She did. And this guy was standing on the first step going upstairs to the governor's office in the state house. And she was standing on the floor. And she was face to face with him. She had the cigarette hanging out of her mouth. And she's poking him on the chest. The last thing we need here is a dirty rotten Massachusetts politician. And this poor guy is out. Hello? Mavis Doyle. The Mavis treatment. Right. And Steve Terry was for the... Before he went to Juerk for George Akin. That's correct. He was doing the rellin arrow. Yeah. He was in charge. John Mahoney wrote for him. Who was in UPI? Tony Merrill also wrote for him. Right. At that time. Go ahead. And UPI was this before Ron Clark? Oh, yeah. Ron Cohen. Okay. Ron Cohen was the press bureau. He was the UPI press bureau back then. And he went on UPI all the way to the top. He was there when it was sold. He wrote a book about it. Wow. A co-author. Right. Down to the Wire. The book is Down to the Wire. Google it. Down to the Wire. Ron Cohen. But he wrote a second book about his memoirs. And he's got two or three memoirs about what happened in Vermont. Wow. And that is called, of course, you can have ice cream for breakfast. And that is, that's it. Google this. Google this. Of course you can have ice cream for Christmas. For breakfast. For breakfast. Try that. Ron Cohen. C-O-H-E-N. Ron Cohen. Right. UPI in Montpelier, 64-65. And then he moved up the ladder. Wow. Oh, yeah. A great reporter. Is he still alive? Oh, yes. Yes. We correspond on Facebook quite frequently. Where does he live? In Washington. The future episode of our program. Well, that's true too, I can tell you some Ron Cohen stories. Go ahead. Gee, look. Oh, it's just. So, you're up there in the crows nest. Yeah. And you're back with DEV in 68. Correct. And of course Bobby Kennedy's, but it was November of 16 you come back with DEV. So the Kennedy assassination of Bobby Kennedy was in June. Martin Lattenian was in April. Yeah, yeah. But still, 60 is the last year of the Phil Hof period. Correct. And that was a tumultuous campaign for Phil Hof because of that problem, that it was exploited by Chuck Colson. That was 70. He's rearing for the Senate in 1970. 70. Yeah. Oh, that's 68. But Dean Davis was elected in 1968. Dean Davis. Right, right. Exactly. And actually 50 came in. Yeah. Because the Republicans reclaimed the governorship in 1968. Actual 50 came in for all of the right reasons. Sponsored by the Republicans. Yes. Right. And then. Sponsored by the Democrats, actually. Well, and then later it was called, what is it, Gallagher called it, statewide zoning. Right. And I forget the name of the bill, but it was Actual 50, Act 258, which dealt with the water. Right. So forth, all of those. And Mickey was just against it. Right. Said it's statewide zoning. I don't know that it was, but it sure did set up some parameters to protect our environment. I'm sorry. Was that the big issue of that time period? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And do you remember the Mount Snow episode that created it or other things? Well, all I know down there is that the effluent was rolling down the hill. Right. Dean Davis saw it and said, we've got to bring this to a screeching halt. And he proposed a legislation and it did. The, you know. Arthur Gibbs, part of the. Art Gibbs was the champion of all of that. Right. Yeah. He wrote the legislation. You know, from, it was Middlebury. Addison. Addison County. But he was the environmentalist in the state house. Yep. Yeah. There's a big portrait of art up there in the state house. But remember the labor folks were against Act 250 because it affected jobs and construction interests. That's what they thought. That's what they thought. In the beginning. So there's early Republicans were the champions. The Teddy Roosevelt Republicans conservationists became the environmentalists. Well, they were always environmentalists. Right. And they just had different nomenclatures. And the problem is that we can't have effort in rolling down. Right. Being totally exposed to the public. Come on.  Right. And it has to be taken care of. Right. And everybody understood that. And the question was, well, how are we going to do this without affecting what we've already known. But we've always known. It's always. Every time there's new public policy, it always says, well, how is it going to be? It used to be this way. Oh, I remember when. Right. We'll do it for now. Well, for now, never come. And that's really, I think, an issue. You remember the Roland Stewart quote about it all? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. So Roland Stewart, he was from. Yeah. Say it to me. But what town was he from? Rutland. Yeah. So we're dairy. Right. The dairy people. Right. And he was Republican National Committee man. Yeah. What are you saving the environment for? Animals. Right. Exactly. Right. And he was picked up on that. Yeah, he was. Yeah. Right. Well, it's one of those kinds of things. It's a slip of the tongue that you say unconsciously, but you really feel it, and somebody hears it. Interesting. In Vermont history, though, that the early pioneers of the environmental movement were Republican moderates. Because that's what we're telling them. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. That's what we're in town. All right? The Dems never got here. Right. You know, in terms of their influence on public policy until after reapportionment. And it was only beginning at that time to come around. Sure, we probably could take it, but to me, it goes way beyond party label. It's people who are concerned about the quality of life. We hear that quite frequently about living in Vermont, the quality of life. Anybody, a Democrat progressive independent, want to take that on as saying that I invented it, go right ahead, but it's here. Right. Right. Yeah. I'm going to go back to you. I'm your DEV. Right. There's a four-year period here. Right. Tom Salmon becomes elected governor in 72, but from 60 to 70, what were some of the news stories? What were some things that were happening? Well, the big thing was the campaign. Obviously, Dean Davis was between Phil Hoff and Tom Salmon. Yeah, I know. And that was the Act 250 years and so forth. It was quite progressive. Tom Hayes, lieutenant governor, Republican, former Winston Proudy legislative assistant in Washington, comes back, very, very thoughtful, comes back to Vermont, relocates his family, Jenny and his kids in Burlington. And he gets involved in politics. He's a politician. He runs and he's elected lieutenant governor, you know, a separate ballot, you know, and Dean Davis liked the governor. So here's Dean Davis, a well-respected businessman. National life. National life, a very, rather conservative individual, except when it got to Act 250. And here's Tom Hayes, an up-and-coming Republican who is a bit more progressive. Kent State happens. And the National Guard shoots some students at Kent State campus and the news just hits all over. Dean Davis is out in Colorado. Tom Hayes immediately asks for the flags to be flown to half-staff. Dean Davis jumps on a plane, comes back to Vermont and raises the flags back up. All of that happened, well, with two or three days, but that was news at that time. Yeah, I can remember that Tom Hayes went for governor in a primary. Against Dean Davis. Yeah, against Dean Davis. About the sales tax. Right, about the sales tax. No, it wasn't about the sales tax. I'll tell you what the sales tax was, sales tax. There was never any issue of the sales tax. Tom Hayes made up some bumper stickers that say, it was something like we don't need or say no to sales tax. It was never on the ballot, it was never an issue, but people thought it was. It was one of those campaign techniques that you just bought into it and said, yeah, there was an issue. Well, it really wasn't at that time, excuse me. So that's what, and Tom lost, but Tom Salmon, after he became governor, hired Tom as governor's lawyer, a gubernatorial legal person. Norrie Hoyt was also that, but Norrie Hoyt was a tax person. And Norrie Hoyt was the guy that came up with the Tom Salmon tax plan. The property tax. The property tax, and that was to be more than that. That was to fight development, making money on development, that's the way I can explain it. Let me explain the issue.  And it goes down, each year if you hold it out for five years, you hold it up for five years, you don't pay any tax on turning it over. So it was to prevent people just coming in and buying and selling property and prices going way up and cutting the Vermonter out. Well Norrie came up with the formula and he came up with the legislation. Tom Salmon campaigned on that issue. In 72 against Fred Hackett. Right. And he also campaigned on one other issue. Fred Hackett went down to Massachusetts to Boston during the campaign, was speaking to a group of engineers. And he said, well I don't think we need that bottle bill in Vermont. He wanted to repeal the bottle bill. So he came back up, we caught wind of it. Joe Gimelli caught wind of that at that time, a very good friend of mine. And he turned that right around. And especially in the agriculture community, because we don't have bottles and cans being thrown into pastures or environmental community alongside the highways, transportation, all of that stuff. We roll that all together. Well make a long story short, Tom Salmon won that general election and went on to four years, ran against Bob Stafford for the U.S. Senate. In 76. 76, lost by 5 percent of the vote. It was very close. It was very close. It was very close. There was a, the issue had to do with the Ticonderoga paper mill, about them dumping sludge into Lake Champlain. And the argument at that time was that Stafford was turning a blind eye to it. And that issue tried to be developed into a campaign issue. But it was close. The 72 race with Salmon was very much a watershed. I remember being a delegate to the National Convention, and it was in July. We still did not have a candidate for governor. That's right. And so we were actually, we were having a couple of beers with Wisconsin delegation. So we went to Tom's office and said, will you please run? And he agreed to do that. And John Letty was another, became his driver. But he started pretty late, late August, September. But he did the listening tour. But he was smart enough to make the 72 election a referendum on property tax reform. Right. He did. But let me back up for just a second to add to your story. Is that Chuck Delaney, a state senator from Chittenden County, had put his name in. Right. As a spaceholder. Right. So when Tom came back from that National Convention, talked to Chuck, Chuck pulled out, Tom put in, but there was no opposition. Correct. So he had the time to do that listening tour. And he did make it about property tax relief and the whole issue of property tax. And he won by 40,000 votes. Yeah, he did. And Nixon won Vermont against McGovern by a landslide. He was still a pretty Republican state in 72. Yeah.  I can remember it. We'd get in the conference room, around the table, and there was no rubber stamping. People were encouraged to speak their mind. And I can remember one time we were talking about raising gasoline tax. And the comment was made, if you wanted to pretend you're crazy, go right ahead. That's a hell of a comment to make, because people couldn't afford five-cent increase in the cost tax. Right. And then there was the energy crisis. Right. We developed an energy office and we tagged forest ore from the Environmental Conservation Agency to be our energy czar. And all he could do was answer the phone because, you know, there's people calling me, you know, the price of gasoline. Going into a gasoline station. In the odd-even days? In the odd-even days. We even thought about that. And no, we're not going to do that. We're just going to go along with our course. We even talked about changing daylight saving time, changing the time, and so forth. No, forget that. We're just going to go along as we are. We used to get calls into the office about tankers being cited off the coast of Massachusetts, refusing to dock. Yeah, right. So Joe Gimelli was running Tom Sammons. He left the Vermont Press Bureau to run the campaign with Don Webster.  But Sammon wins and they make you the Press Secretary Communications Director. Well, I wasn't Communications Director so much. Something would happen. Well, what happened was, Tom gave me a call, said, I'd like to have you come to work for me. All right? Absolutely sure. And the very first thing was, and then appointments came up, Don Webster was made the Commissioner of Economic Development. Joe was appointed Secretary of Civil and Military Affairs. I was assistant to the governor. Joe and I took a piece of paper out the state government organization chart. We divided it in half. He had health and welfare where Tom Davis was. And I told him I had the cows over here for agriculture and Martin Johnson and natural conservation. So he had people and I had the environment, basically. And all we did was just keep tabs on what can we do, is just keeping tabs and making sure that the public policy created by the legislature is followed by the administration. And you're there all four years? Yeah. To the end? All right. I enjoyed it very much. I enjoyed it very much. It was a great window onto what creates public policy, everything that goes into it. And sometimes it is, and has been said before, watching sausage being made. Yeah. An awful lot of mechanical stuff, heart stuff, emotional stuff, it's all of that. Peter Kennedy is the House Speaker. And he had a sense of humor. And John Burgess was the Lieutenant Governor in the Senate. Yeah, he was our Lieutenant Governor in the Senate. Replaced by Brian Burns. Later. Later. Brian Burns was a big, rough guy, young guy from Chittenden County. Yeah. Definitely a Burlington politician. Right. Well, he had quite a primary against Stella Hackle for the Democratic primary. And John O'Brien was in that primary as well. It's correct. Yeah. Which produced Richard Snowing in the end. That's exactly right. But let's back up to Peter Kennedy. Peter Kennedy was the guy that rammed, I say rammed, they don't like the word rammed, but pushed through that act, through the 4% sales tax. Right. Through the House. And that was Dean Davis' big, big issue at that time. 4%, food exempted, clothing exempted. And it was for education. All was for education, right? So 4% went in. That was a big battle. Peter's from Chelsea. Chelsea. Was he a speaker through all of Dean Davis? Yes. I believe so. So he was a power broker. He was. But not the same power broker. And here's another story. It's about Ralph Wright, former representative from Bennington. Right. Massachusetts born. Democrat. Massachusetts born. Right. Quincy Mass Roots, who was a real power broker. Very Massachusetts kind of guy. Yeah. Nice guy though. Yeah, sweet fellow. They all worked. They all worked. They all worked. They still alive. We'll be back for another episode with Norman James, Memories and Reflections on Vermont History. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next time.


Geng, C.S. Lewis, mere Christianity. We're gonna read page... start from page 42 and go to page 47, and we're gonna read the Invasion. The Invasion. Very well done. Atheism is too simple, and I will tell you another view that is also too simple. It is the view I call Christianity and water. The view which simply says there is a good God in heaven, and everything is alright. Leaving out all the difficult and terrible doctrines about sin and hell and the devil and the redemption, both these are boys' philosophies. It is no good asking for a simple religion. After all, real things are not simple. They look simple, but they are not. The table I am sitting at looks simple, but ask a scientist to tell you what it is, what it is really made of, all about the atoms and how the light waves rebound from them and hit my eye, and what they do to the optic nerve, and what it does to my brain. And of course, you find that what we call seeing a table lands you in a mysterious and complications, which in mysteries and complications, which you can hardly get to the end of. A child saying a child's prayer looks simple, and if you are content to stop then there, well, well and good. But if you are not, and the modern world usually is not. If you want to go on and ask what it is, what is really happening, then you must be prepared for something difficult. If we ask for something more than simplicity, it is silly then to complain that the something more is not simple. Very often, however, this silly procedure is adopted by people who are not silly, but who consciously or unconsciously want to destroy Christianity. Such people put a version of Christianity suitable for a child of six and make that the subject of their attack. When you try to explain the Christian doctrine as it is in as it is really held by an instructed adult, they then complain that you are making their heads turn around and that it is all too complicated, and that if there really were a God, they are sure they are sure he would have made religion simple, because simplicity is so beautiful, etc. You must be on your guard against these people, for they will change their ground every minute and only waste your time. Notice too, their idea of God making religion simple as if religion were something God invented and not his statement to us of certain quite unalterable facts about his own nature. Besides being complicated, reality in many experiences is usually odd. It is not neat, not obvious, not what you expect. For instance, when you have grass that the earth and the other planets all go around the Sun, you would naturally expect that all the planets were made to match at all at equal distances from each other, say or a distance that regularly increases or at the same size or else getting bigger or smaller as you go further from the Sun. In fact, you find no rhyme or reason that we can see about either the sizes or the distances, and some of them have one moon, one has four, one has two, some have none, and one has a ring. Reality, in fact, is usually something you could not have guessed. That is one of the reasons I believe Christianity. It is a religion you cannot have guessed. It is offered us such the kind of universe we had always expected. I should feel we were making it up, but in fact, it is not the sort of thing anyone would have made up. It has just that queer twist about it, that real things have. So let us leave behind all those boys' philosophies, these oversimplified answers. The problem is not simple and the answer is not going to be simple either. What is the problem? A universe that contains such that is obviously bad and apparently meaningless, but containing creatures like ourselves who know that it is bad and meaningless. There are only two views that face all the facts. One is the Christian view that this is a good world that has gone wrong, but still retains the memory of what it ought to have been. The other is the view called dualism. Dualism means the belief that there are two equal and independent powers at the back of everything. One of them good and the other bad, and that this universe is the battlefield in which they fight out an endless war. I personally think that next to Christianity, dualism is the manifest and most sensible creed on the market, but it has a catch in it. The two powers or spirits or gods, the good one and the bad one, are supposed to be quite independent. They both exist from all entity. Neither of them made, neither of them made the other. Neither of them has any more right than the other to call itself God. Each presumably thinks it is good and thinks the other bad. One of them likes hatred and cruelty, the other likes love and mercy, and each backs its own view. Now, what do we mean when we call one of them the good power and the other the bad power? Either we are merely saying that we happen to prefer the one to the other, like preferring beer to cider, or else we are saying that whatever the two powers think about and whatever we humans at the moment happen to like, one of them is actually wrong, actually mistaken in regarding itself as good. Now if we mean merely that we happen to prefer the first, then we must give up talking about good and evil at all. For good means what we ought to prefer quite regardless of what you happen to like at any given moment. If being good meant simply joining the side you happen to fancy for no real reason, then good would not deserve to be called good. So we must mean that one of the two powers is actually wrong and the other actually right. But the moment we say that we are putting into the universe a third thing in addition to the two powers, some law or standard or rule of good which one of the powers conforms to and the other fails to conform to. But since the two powers are judged by this standard, then this standard or the being who made the standard is further back and higher up than either of them and he will be the real God. In fact what we meant by calling them good and bad turns out to be that one of them is in a right relation to the real ultimate God and the other in a wrong relation to him. The same point can be made in a different way. If dualism is true then the bad power must be a being who likes badness for its own sake. But in reality we have no experience of anyone liking badness just because it is bad. The nearest we can get to get to it is in cruelty. But in real life people are cruel for one of two reasons.  But pleasure, money, power and safety are all as far as they go good things. The badness consists in pursuing them by the wrong method or in the wrong way or too much. I do not mean of course that the people who do this are not desperately wicked. I do mean that wickedness when you examine it turns out to be the pursuit of some good in the wrong way. You can be good for the mere sake of goodness. You cannot be bad for the mere sake of badness. You can do a kind action when you are not feeling kind and when it gives you no pleasure, simply because kindness is right. But no one ever did a cruel action simply because cruelty is wrong, only because cruelty was pleasant or useful to him. In other words, badness cannot succeed even if being bad in the same way in which goodness is good. Goodness is, so to speak itself, badness is only spoiled goodness and there must be something good first before it can be spoiled. We all, we called sadism a sexual perversion, but you must first have the idea of a normal sexuality before you can talk of its being perverted and you can see which is the perversion because you can explain the perverted from the normal and cannot explain the normal from the perverted. It follows that this bad power who is supposed to be on an equal footing with the good power and to the love and to love badness in the same way as the good power loves goodness is a mere, mere boggy. In order to be bad, he must have good things to want and then to pursue in the wrong way. He must have impulses which were originally good in order to be able to pervert them, but if he is bad, he cannot supply himself either with good things to desire or with good impulses to pervert. He must be getting both from the good power and if so, then he is not independent. He is part of the good powers world. He was made either by the good power or by some power above them both, but it but it more simply still to be bad. He must exist and have intelligence and will, but existence, intelligence and will are in themselves good. Therefore, he must be getting them from the good power. Even to be bad, he must borrow or steal from his opponent. And do you know, do you now begin to see why Christianity has always said that devil is a fallen angel? That is not a mere story for the children. It is a real recognition of the fact that evil is a parasite, not an original thing. The powers which enable evil to carry on are powers given in by goodness. All the things which enable a bad man to be effectively bad are in themselves good things, resolution, cleverness, good looks, existence itself. That is why dualism is in a strict sense will not work, but I freely admit that real Christianity as distinct from Christianity and water does much nearer to dualism, goes much nearer to dualism than people think. One of the things that surprises me when I first read the New Testament seriously was that it talks so much about a dark power in the universe.  The difference is that Christianity thinks this dark power was created by God and was good when he was created and went wrong. Christianity agrees with dualism that this universe is at war, but it does not think this is a war between independent powers. It thinks it is a civil war, a rebellion, and that we are living in a part of the universe occupied by the rebel. Enemy occupied territory, that is what this world is. Christianity is the story of how the rightful king has landed. You might say landed in disguise and is calling us all to take part in a great campaign of sabotage. When you go to church, you are really listening in to the secret wireless from our friends. That is why the enemy is so anxious to prevent us from going. He goes in, he does it by playing on our conceit and laziness and intellectual snobby. I know someone will ask me, do you really mean at this time of day no introduction? Do you really mean at this time of day to reintroduce our old friend the devil, hoofs and horns and all? Well, at the time of day, what the time of day has to do with it, I do not know, and I am not particular about the hoofs and the horns, but in other respects, my answer is yes, I do. I do not claim to know anything about this personal appearance, his personal appearance. If anybody really wants to know him better, I would say to do that. Say to that person, don't worry. If you really want to, you will. Whether you'll like it when you do is another question. C.S. Lewis' mere Christianity.


Welcome to the Rich TV Live podcast, we are live and interactive and we are going to be talking about the markets and what is happening in these markets. So right off the bat, EGOX, the hottest pick of the day is up 60% right now that we are watching. There are some other picks here and there, but these are the ones that we are watching closely today that I've chosen to bring to your attention. EGOX on Bitcoin halving day today, up 60% right now, you can see this huge massive God candle here. After it did the pre-market gap up, it did this huge move and you can see that it then sold off here. And that's kind of where we're at up 60%. It's a penny stock. Just remember that Rich TV Live is strictly for information and education purposes. Please do your due diligence and do your research before you invest in any of the companies that we talk about. Past performance is not always an indication of future results. We're not telling you to buy any of these picks. We're just letting you know what is trending and what is on our radar and on our watch list. Now up 62% is EGOX. Alright, NVFY, look at that God candle. The MACD was bang on here. They gave us the buy signal and boom, explosion. So this is another one of the big movers today, up 45%. NVFY, up 46% right now. NVFY, that huge candle. And then you can see now starting to sell off a little bit here. So proceed with caution. Okay, so oil and gas has started to do well as the price of oil has climbed. Obviously gold has climbed. Obviously Bitcoin has climbed. Obviously stocks have climbed. So Indo is a nice day traders pick. So if you want to just play momentum and you want to day trade, this is a great pick to day trade.  So it shows its hand, but it's very volatile and as quickly as it goes up, it can go down. So please proceed with caution, not telling you to buy Indo, but it's up today 25% and looking good. Also important to look at the volume, the volume in the bottom right here, 8.91 million shares have traded so far this morning. And the reality is average trade for the last 30 days has been 3.87 million shares traded. So it's done more than double almost triple the average daily volume. So definitely wanted to watch Indo now up 27%. RWOD up 25%. You could see it did have this big pre-market gap up and then started to sell off. So be aware of RWOD now up 25%. All right, here's Mara. All right, so with Bitcoin having today, Mara having a big move today up 6%. Mara has been beaten up over the last few months and it just felt like it was heavily oversold. And it's starting to do a little bit of a recovery here. And if it does recover fully, I think we could see a major gap up opportunity here on Mara, especially if the price of Bitcoin explodes, which I believe it will not necessarily maybe today, but over the next, I would say five to six months, we're going to see Bitcoin really have a big rally. And I think Mara will have this big move up and this will be a good opportunity for investors. Also, another reason why Mara is one that I really like is because of the fact that there is big institutionals behind them like BlackRock. BlackRock is a big investor in Mara. I love BlackRock. I think it's important to follow the money in these types of markets and BlackRock is investing in Mara. So I think it is one that we should definitely be aware of. And I think it's gone beat up recently, even though Bitcoin's done well. And I think that because of that, that that's creating a buying opportunity for Mara in my opinion for a trade. So that's why they're one of my picks to watch today. Mara, M-A-R-A. I think it's got some nice structure here and I think it has some big upside. All right, Bank of America. Banks have done well recently. We talked about Goldman Sachs earlier this week, Morgan Stanley. Now Bank of America up 3%. So definitely want to put on your radar, put on your watch list. Also has a nice dividend yield 2.68% and a bank that we think has a lot of potential. Obviously one of, if not the biggest bank in America, Bank of America currently at $36.96 and up 3% of the day. All right, Reddit. So Reddit has a tough time to say the least since it's done inside PO. Initially had a huge move up and now it's just been kind of consolidating, selling off at these lower levels. Currently sitting at $42.83. It is up today and the Magdi did call the buy here at $38 and they were correct. We're currently at 42. It was at 43 today, but we're sitting at 42.83 right now up 2.66% on the day is Reddit. All right, now let's talk about some crypto. Solana has been beaten down over the last, let's say a few weeks and it was at $200 and it did hit a low of like 125-ish. We're ready back to 146 up 3% of the day and I think there's a large gap up opportunity here, especially if Bitcoin continues to go higher. IBIT. This is the BlackRock Bitcoin ETF having a nice day today bouncing off those lower levels as Bitcoin is rallying. The Bitcoin ETFs are rallying. This is one of them. FBTC, another Bitcoin ETF. This is the Fidelity Bitcoin ETF. They are also rallying today up 1.6%. This is the grayscale Bitcoin ETF rallying as well 1.5% today at $57.50. And then Bitcoin, the mothership now at $64,500. Let me go to the hourly candles and really look at this. So very important to understand the structure and understand what's happening here with Bitcoin. And I've been watching this super, super closely every day, every step of the way. And you can see this is what Bitcoin's been doing over the last few days. Very volatile. You can see that it's gone down to under $60,000 and then bounced all the way to $64,000. And then it came back down again. This is just over the last couple of days. And then it went back down to $59,000 yesterday on news that Israel attacked Iran. And then huge God candle here from $62,000 all the way up to $64,000. We even got to $65,000 this morning. And now we're kind of pulling back a little bit as investors are taking profits. And we are getting close. You want to talk about close? We're as close as it can get pretty much. We are hours now. I remember when it was weeks. I remember when it was months. I remember when it was days. We are now nine hours away from the Bitcoin having. Here it is. Nine hours away from the Bitcoin having. The biggest catalyst ever for Bitcoin in its history has always been the Bitcoin having. And we are now officially nine hours, 35 minutes and 47 seconds away from the biggest catalyst you could ever ask for for Bitcoin. It's Bitcoin having, which happens every four years. And we'll reduce the block reward for miners from 6.25 Bitcoin per block to 3.125 Bitcoin per block. And that is typically a huge catalyst for Bitcoin because it is reducing the amount of supply and the amount of coins that can be mined by miners in half, which typically is a huge catalyst for the price to go higher because the price has to go higher. Otherwise, miners are not profitable. And in order for Bitcoin to continue to be what it is, they need miners to continue to mine for transactions and for new Bitcoin rewards. So this is huge. It's always a huge catalyst for Bitcoin and we are watching it very, very closely. All right. I hope everyone's having a great day and we are watching the markets and we're always watching the markets. And we are watching Bitcoin very closely today currently at 64,577. And like I said, just hours away from the biggest catalyst we could ever ask for for Bitcoin historically, which is the Bitcoin having. And you can see Bitcoin is doing well today on the speculation that the having it will be done and that will be a good catalyst for the price to go higher. Speaking of higher bear gold is higher today. This is a gold play with a dividend 2.32% dividend. And this is one of the best in class gold stocks. ETHG. This is a Ethereum play. If you like Ethereum, this is an Ethereum stock. And Ethereum is looking to get an ETF approved. If they do get approved, I believe this will be one of the first Ethereum ETFs ETHG. So they're having a nice day today and starting to turn around as the price of Bitcoin and Ethereum is climbing higher. You can see Ethereum was well under 3,000 yesterday on that volatility and it's bounced back just like Bitcoin has and is now at $3,089 well above that 3,000 mark. So as long as it can stay above that 3,000 mark, I'll be very bullish on Ethereum. All right, the Dow Jones is in the green today. Snap had two really big days in a row, having a pullback today slightly but not major. Coinbase also having a better day today with the price of Bitcoin climbing. All right, United Airlines had a couple big days after reporting strong earnings. They're pulling back slightly today. Walmart is having a little bit of a pullback today but nothing major. Tesla been just struggling dramatically. They are in the red again today. S&P 500 is in the red today. Micro strategies who's been heavily shorted since they got to that. Let's see here. The last month has been crazy for them. So you can see that they pretty much went from this level all the way to 2,000, all the way back to 1,100 and they're now at $1,200 as it's been heavily shorted. CGC had a big day yesterday. Canobie Growth Corp. They're back in the green today. Cannabis play that's doing really well. Google giving back some gains today. They're in the red today on this Friday. NASDAQ 100 also in the red. Tech stocks in the red today. Apple in the red as it looks as though Samsung is now passing Apple in phone sales. And I got Samsung so that makes me happy. Amazon in the red today. Meta dropping underneath that $500 mark there in the red today. And NVIDIA continues to drop in the red today 3% after having a nice run. All right. So those are all the stocks that we're watching today. So to reiterate, EGOX is now up 63%. They're one to really watch, put on your radar and put on your watch list. EGOX, you can see there is a green candle forming on the 30 minute candles. So we'll be watching this closely. You can see they also did get a buy signal here. So we'll be watching EGOX very closely. N-V-F-Y up 45%. INDO up 26%. RWOD up 24%. And then MARA up 7% on the day. Bank of America up 3%. And those are some of our biggest gainers and Reddit up 2%. Solana, a crypto that is having a nice day today up 3.2% and climbing as Bitcoin is rallying on anticipation of the Bitcoin having. Speaking of Bitcoin, this is the BlackRock ETF. They're up. This is the Fidelity ETF. They're up. And the GBTC ETF grayscale. They're up. And then Bitcoin obviously up as well as we are hours away from the Bitcoin having. So stay tuned. Get your popcorn ready. We'll keep you updated on everything as it happens as we go into the weekend. And if anything crazy happens, we will definitely come alive and let you know. All right. I want to remind you that Rich TV Live is strictly for information and education purposes. Please do your due diligence and do your research before you invest in anything we talk about or discuss here on the Rich TV Live podcast. Past performance is not always an indication of future results. Now, if you're not winning, you're probably not watching because we do bring the winners and we bring them to you first. 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Welcome to this CUBE conversation. I'm Dave Nicholson and I am joined by Lisa O'Malley, Senior Director of Product Management, Google Cloud, specializing in industry solutions. Lisa, welcome, welcome to theCUBE. Thank you, David, great to be here. So let's dive right into it. What makes an industry solution and what makes for a poser of an industry solution? I think industry solutions are really all about driving business outcomes that individual industries and individual companies within those industries really, really care about. An alternative might be to take a horizontal solution, whether it's a CRM or an ERP and slap some industry labels on it and pose it as an industry solution. We like to do the hard engineering work which is really going and figuring out what are the key outcomes that industries care about and spending time understanding the root causes and helping them with Google Cloud platform and all of the security, data and analytics and AI capabilities that we have, helping them really deeply solve those problems at a level that makes a difference and transforms their industry. So can you give us an example of something that's engineered in for a specific industry? When someone tells me they're engineering something in, I think of my car seat and if you're going to engineer in comfort, you better provide some controls for adjustability for me. So how do you strike that balance between hard engineered and sort of the bespoke services and customization that are always going to be necessary? Yeah, so clearly we don't want to create bespoke solutions for individual customers. We like to take industry wide problems and think about them a different way. One example might be retail search. You've probably all gone to a retailer, typed items into the search bar and had an unsuccessful result. And then maybe you've gone to Google and Googled it there and come back with the item in that retailer as one of the results. So search within individual retailers websites historically has not been great. However, we've delivered a solution that brings Google quality search to an individual retailer's catalog and website. And what we see is that this really helps them with what we call search abandonment. So it's like $300 billion a year is lost every year to people having unsuccessful searches on various websites. And so by delivering our product discovery solution which incorporates retail search that really solves an industry wide problem. So Google is considered to be at the forefront of artificial intelligence. The AI ML gets tossed around a lot. GCP, Google Cloud, it's the real deal. How does AI factor into some of these industry specific solutions? A great question. And not all of them are based on AI but clearly when we think about Google you think about data analytics or ability to manipulate data and to apply AI and ML to real world problems. I'll give you an example of where we're using some of our core AI technology. And so that would be a product like visual inspection where on a manufacturing line you want to be able to identify defects very effectively. Existing systems require a ton of training data whereas our machine learning allows us to deliver very high quality like 10X reduction in defects with about 300 times less training data. And so that's where we've applied both our vision technology and our machine learning capabilities to come up with a great solution that fundamentally changes how inspection is done on manufacturing lines. So visual inspection, inspection is one category. Recommendations is also often cited as another example. Do you have any specific customer examples either with names or without are fine. Where recommendations come into play. And what are some of the shades of difference when you talk about the kind of intelligence that goes into visual inspection versus recommendations? So recommendations, one customer that I can talk about is IKEA. They have implemented recommendations for a number of months at this stage and they've seen an increase in click-through rate of about 30%. We measure about 400% increase in relevant recommendations. And overall that's delivered a 2% increase in average order value. And so that's just one example of how recommendations and recommendations technology obviously has been with Google for a long time when you think across search and YouTube and a lot of the capabilities that are core to Google. And so being able to apply that more broadly to an industry circumstances is really, really powerful. On the visual inspection side, Foxconn deployed this technology within their phone manufacturing process. And that increased the accuracy of their defect detection by about 10X. So you touched on this a little bit already, but if someone is trying to evaluate the difference between a real industry solution or industry cloud versus something that's just slapping a label on top of another label for something that's generic, what are the sort of litmus tests that they should apply? What are the things that you look for? What are the criteria you think are important? Yeah, I think it's really important to really dig down to identify is this just a horizontal solution or has a company done the real hard engineering work to solve the problem? The way I think about it is I ask several questions. Do we think that these products have been engineered from the ground up to solve a specific industry problem? Are they just selling horizontal capabilities like CRM or ERP and putting an industry label on it? Have they actually been built for real world companies? Can they demo it in a real world example? How much of it is original code or is it just a reference architecture? How much must a customer pay or work to actually implement that solution? Does it work out of the box or is there a big implementation with lots of system integrator spend required? And then I think lastly and maybe most importantly is the pricing connected to the value that you're bringing and is that pricing transparent? And is it easy to understand for the customer where the value lies based on the pricing? So what does the process look like within Google, within Google Cloud? When you're considering what to categorize as an industry, what level of granularity do you get down to? How do you figure out what makes sense? Is it level of effort in terms of engineering? Is it total addressable market? I'd love to be a fly on the wall in some of those conversations. You think of the obvious categories like financial services, retail, but give us an idea of what those conversations look like when you're trying to determine what constitutes an industry. So I think there's what constitutes an industry and then there's what constitutes an industry that we want to build a specific productized solution for. In terms of what constitutes an industry, I mean, I think those are pretty established in the market. They are things like financial services, healthcare, retail, and then there may be subverticles within those industries. So within financial services, you might have banking, retail banking and commercial banking. You might have payments. You might have capital markets. And I think those are pretty well established. I think you would expect the similar, the types of conversation that we have around what's the total addressable market? What's the level of technical sophistication within those industries? And then what are the problems that they're really seeking to solve? And do we have solutions that we think can make a difference there? So another example of AI applied in an industry solution is the area around documents. And again, if you can give us an example of document AI, how it's brought to bear, how it's different from making recommendations in product searches and maybe a customer example if you have one. Yeah, so document AI is really, really phenomenal space in that the efficiency gains and operational efficiency essentially around taking paper out of the process or taking people who are reviewing paper out of the process, the opportunities immense. And you think about mortgage applications and the hundreds and hundreds of pages that we all have to sign up for whether it's a refinance or a new buy. And then some poor person within the institution has to go and review all of that documentation. We can turn that into something really phenomenal by using the document AI technology that Google has developed over time and training it on mortgage documentation, for example. Mr. Cooper uses our document AI technology and they were able to increase their efficiency by about 400% in terms of their mortgage application process. So that's pretty phenomenal, but documents don't just show up in mortgages, nor do they just show up in financial services. There are documents all over the healthcare system, there are documents all over a public sector system. And we believe that there's immense opportunity to take much of that paper and that manual review of paper out of the system. So Lisa, what's next? What kinds of industry solutions are you working on that you can share a glimpse into? We're not asking for secrets that they can't be shared here, just to be clear. But what's on the horizon? So I think there are some exciting things happening in our retail environment. You can imagine that in the post COVID world, retail is very different from where it has been. And so the ability to bring your online and offline business and your consumer journeys through that business really together is going to be super important. And so we're working on a lot of things there around understanding a full 360 view of your customer and how we might help them through their shopping journeys. On in healthcare, we have some phenomenal products in the market like our healthcare data engine which helps take sources of data from the many silos that exist across our healthcare system and bring them into one longitudinal view of the data. And so you can imagine that there would be many diagnostic and operational opportunities to use that data in a much more efficient way than it's being used today. Specifically in healthcare, has that, have we seen a pivot because of the pandemic? So I don't know that it was specific to the pandemic. I think that the healthcare industry is undergoing a lot of change in general across the board. And so the realization is that with, I think what the pandemic has done is it has accelerated some existing trends around movement towards telehealth, movement towards dispersed healthcare within communities as opposed to big centers. And so we find then that the data becomes even more fragmented and becomes more siloed and lots of companies are solving small pieces of the problem. And so what Google would like to be able to do is to bring all of that data together, harmonize it, understanding all of the regulatory and compliance issues and opportunities that there are within the healthcare area and enable not just Google to build solutions on top of this data, but also to enable partners and providers or payers themselves to build solutions on top of the data. Lisa, it looks like it's time to wrap up. Do you have any final thoughts on especially, where does AI progress us in industry solutions moving forward? So I think that AI is a tool that we should use wisely. I think it's something that we should understand how we understand that our customers deep needs, their business outcomes that they're hoping to drive and where careful application of AI and machine learning can really benefit everybody in transforming their industries, whether that's through increasing top line revenue, taking costs out of the system or generally being more efficient. Fantastic, Lisa, thank you for joining us for this CUBE conversation from theCUBE. Until next time, this is Dave Nicholson. Thank you, David, it was a pleasure. Thank you, Lisa.


Oil, oil is down at 340 trading at 96.50, you got notes and bonds, they are moving top side in a monster way, you got the 10-year up 28 ticks, 1821 the 30 are up a full 2 points at 140.14 in Kingdala, Kingdala basically down 125 ticks 106.952, Euro is 101, Yen is at 137, the British pound is at 119 to 1 US dollar. Bottom line folks out here I suspect you're going to get a lot of back and forth sideways movement out here, dollars flat which helps the market so I suspect what we're going to do all day long out here is just go sideways. We'll see if the spy actually closes, what the spy just did is this, the spy didn't get to the high of yesterday, you take this 393.16 is going to be the number to keep your eye on. What that number is specifically is that we get over yesterday in the spy, if it closes underneath it you're going to do more backing and filling inside of the marketplace. We're going to take a look at the NDX 100 the same type of setup inside the NDX, bottom line you get a sideways move out here. The NDX had the volume yesterday man so the NDX bottom line the Q's that 314 is wide open right now you're at 303.37, that being said you know bottom line is that the benchmark here is going to be the high of yesterday which is the 304.24, we hit 304.88, bottom line we'll see whether it can basically hang up there you know and get some action going. We go over to Kingdollar and we look at Kingdollar what you have and Kingdollar is this okay and this is a little problem child for the market also. We had the Kingdollar, Kingdollar rejected the 106.415, well what the strength was is the 106.793, we're over that price now the longest day over that price the more problematic it is that good old Kingdollar again wants to run up to these highs so we'll see how this baby is shaking out. The bond market so we take a look at bonds we have inside the bond market okay this thing is you know basically going top side once again it's been going sideways right now you have the 10 year at 2.917 and let's bring this baby up and take a look at it yeah you get some action man that's some action on the way up so bottom line is that you're gonna get a little relief on these interest rates stay right there folks come right back


Rick Popovitz, did I say it correctly? Close enough. With Synaptics, what are you guys talking about today? We are talking about a lot of electronic devices that are currently shipping anywhere from phones to notebooks to tablets that use Synaptics human interface products.  I remember having Synaptics driver on a PC 100 years ago. Yeah, back when Touch Pads were new and exciting. Synaptics was the company that introduced that product. And now we branched out into the phones, the tablets with the touch screens. So you could see multi-touch technology here. We also did the fingerprint reader on both the Samsung Galaxy Tab S10.5, the 8.4, and the Galaxy Tab S5 phone. So how has this technology changed, say, in the last couple of years? It's actually consumers have become more aware of user interface and how important it is to have a good user experience. Courtesy of our friends in Cupertino have done a wonderful job showing what a high performance device really can be. And that has been great for us, because Synaptics, for many years, has been the leader in providing a good user experience. So Apple sets a lot of the precedent. And the OEMs say, we want to have as good a performance as they have. So like when Apple came out with a glass trackpad on the MacBook Pro? Among other things. That's when you guys were like, yeah, we can do that. Yes, yes, yes. But as you can see, touch is evolving in everything. It went from just touchpads at one point on notebooks to now phones, tablets, wearables, such as watches, and even touch screens on cameras now. I never thought about the influence of that on your company and companies like yours that do the interface. It's very exciting. I've worked for many companies in Silicon Valley over the years. And Synaptics is the first company, I can honestly say, where the work I'm doing is reaching billions of people worldwide. Wow, that's fantastic. Well, congratulations to you. Thank you.


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And December 13th. Friday the 13th. Pretty wild. Love coming out of you makes you happy. The whole world can love you, but that's not the love that'll make you happy. What will make you happy is to share all the love you have inside of you. That is love. That will make the difference. Mugger eyes. Let's take a look at it out here. We have the Dow up one. Nasdaq up 19. S&P's up one and a half. Gold contract up $8.70. Trading at $14.80 an ounce. You get silver up 6 cents. $17 in a penny. Light Sweet Crude up $0.85. $0.60. Three cents. A barrel. Notes and bonds. You get the 10-year up 19 ticks. That's $128.31. The 30-year up a point. And 11 ticks at $150.804. And King dollar. King dollar up $109. Ticks trade $97.187. The euros at $111. The yen is at $109.39. And the pound is at $133.01. U.S. dollar. Our phone number is<PHONE_NUMBER>. Give us a call, folks. Want to know what's going on in your world. In the world of the S&P's, let's take a look at them. What do you have? Well, we've got a flat market out here, folks. You've had a highly volatile market out here today. There's no two ways about that. Bottom line is that you've had a spread inside the S&P of 30 points. Yeah. 29 points, to be exact. And, you know, if they have a flat market, that's highly volatile. No doubt. We started off today. You get down, you know, 8 o'clock in the morning. We're down in this 3162 area.  We popped all the way up to 3184, which is 85, which is a high for the day. A low of the day came in, 1120. That's down there at that 3156. Right now you're at that 3169. NDX100, same type of setup inside the NDX and was moving this market around. Of course, folks, is that, yeah, well, let's just go through this first and we'll get into the aspect of what do we have moving it around. We go into the NDX100. We take a look at the NDX, what we have with the NDX. NDX also had quite a day out here. High of 8523. Low of 8435. Right now you're laying out here at 8496. So the market's trying to digest folks, okay? Just, well, just exactly what is inside the trade deal and what isn't inside the trade deal. And those details actually are not out here right now. Now, I expect what we're going to see over the weekend, unless they're just going to keep saying, hey, it's a great deal and we're not going to see it. Bottom line, it's going to come out at some point and it doesn't, and we'll find out. But right now, what I think is so cool is that what we had out here last night was this. Yesterday, rather. Yesterday what you had is that it was coming out. The deal is done. Everything's in place. And what did that do? That, no doubt, that sent the S&Ps to new all-time highs, took out their all-time highs, had a large day. There's no two ways about that inside the marketplace in general. We committed this morning. Bottom line, things are still going the exact same way, meaning good. Now what you had is that, what you have is this. The way that the market traded yesterday is to me saying, okay, all the news is out. You have the supposedly phase one trade deal with China and the phase one trade deal with China, we'll find out exactly what is in it. But at this particular point, it doesn't look to me like there's anything in it that hadn't been in it before, before we even started these deals. It looks like they're going to, let's see. The deal announced hinges on China increasing purchases of American farm goods such as soybeans and pork. We'll see if that gets in writing because all the articles so far are saying that that is not in writing inside the contract. In return, if that's the case, Trump has agreed to reduce some existing tariffs by 15%, having 15% duties on 120 billion goods but maintaining a 25% levy on 250 billion of Chinese goods. My point more than anything folks is that the news is out and it doesn't look like there's much news. That's what it really comes down to. So, gold. Actually, let's go to the oil market first because what we have with oil, oil is pushing the $60 mark. It looks to me that you are going to test the spike high that we had out here and the spike high inside the marketplace is $61.48. That's the number. Right now, we've reached $60.48 out here today. This is another dollar. That was the day that the Saudi oil fields basically got blown up, bottom line. The day before, we were trading to $53. This was a Saturday that had happened, Sunday when the oil opened up was at $61.48 and then just gave it up and came all the way down to $50. So, much the number. There are no two ways about that. Notes and bonds, bottom line. They just continue to want higher price, lower yield. This is quite a move inside the note and bond market folks once again. What we had with the 30-year, the 30-year never made it down to the lower end of the consolidation which is $155. We made it to $155.23. Rejected lower price, took off like a rocket ship again. Bottom line is that, you know, when the Fed did come out with their statement this week, it was dovish beyond belief. The Powell's interview, news conference, same deal. It seemed like no matter what was asked, the bottom line, the Fed was going to take care of it and there's no reason not to believe it. That's saying that we still have higher price, lower yields coming at us. Right now the 10-year is at 1.82. Some of the higher volume equities out here and this is going to be another low volume market which is pretty intense in the aspect that we did have volatility out here. You get GE down 7 cents. You get Micron Tech up 19. Apple's up 3 bucks. I believe Apple is going to close at all-time highs for the week also because that just reached another one. Yeah, reached another one today. Yeah, so Apple's going to close at all-time highs for the week. Big number. Now what's intriguing about that, it's like at the end of the X it really doesn't have any juice and Apple is still the largest weighting structure inside and it's like that means the rest of the NQ's there actually have a lot of weakness in them. Dow, Dow Industries up 5, Nasdaq up 18. S&P's up 1.5. We'll come right back.