Great, hi everyone, I'm Shane Allsop. I'm the Community Engagement Assistant for Elife and it's my pleasure to welcome you to today's webinar and Introduction to Society for Early Career Researchers. So we're using both Otter AI and Zoom for our transcription services today. So to enable the transcription in Otter, simply click to the top left of your screen and choose Custom Live Streaming Service and then click View Stream on Custom Live Streaming Service. This will display the transcript on a separate window which you can exit out of at any point. Alternatively, you can enable the live subtitles in Zoom by clicking on the bottom center toolbar and clicking Show Subtitle and then to disable them again, you can click High Top Title at any point. But if you have any difficulties setting this up, just let us know in the chat box also in the bottom toolbar in Zoom. Brilliant, so today we have Godwin's Honru Chakwa who will be moderating the session. Godwin's is the previous Community and Outreach Manager for Society but now the head of Communities for Elife and we're joined today by two brilliant panelists, Pratia Vasthi, the Associate Professor of Cell Biology at Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth and Leslie Hansen, the Director of Biophysics CoLab. So each of our panelists will deliver a presentation of around 10 minutes after which we'll be followed by Q&A where we ask them your questions and we'll also circulate a very brief feedback form throughout the webinar just so that you can help us to improve on these events in the future. But before we begin, I'd like to start with a bit of housekeeping. So Elife's Code of Conduct is in full effect during this webinar. So we ask that you please be respectful, honest, inclusive, accommodating, appreciative and open to learning from everyone else. We ask that you don't attack, demean, disrupt, harass or threaten others or encourage such behavior. 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Hi everyone and welcome to this webinar to this afternoon. Sorry I'll be coughing a lot because I'm a little bit under the weather with COVID. So if I cough and disturb you, I'm really sorry about that. I'll try not to, I'll try to meet myself when I'm not doing anything. So we're talking about Saity today. I'll be very brief because the main thing we need to hear are from the two speakers who we have here today. Leslie will be speaking from the perspective of a group and then Sat and Pratchu will be speaking as a user. I would just briefly be introducing Saity to you. Normally we said Saity is the home of public preference. Saity is an application in enabling networks of scholars to efficiently discover, openly curate and evaluate relevant print prints. So that is the whole foundation of Saity is to help scholars to find what they're looking for in an efficient manner without having to go all over the place. It's an aggregator. Saity was built and is operated by a team in eLife since May 2020 and we work on it on a daily incremental process using feedback that comes from researchers. So our vision is a future where a diverse global community of scientists produce these results that are trusted and open for the benefit of all. That means that with this platform, with this tool, anyone and everyone in the scientific community can contribute and will provide their work for others to see and comment on. So the whole process is built around the published review caret which I mentioned earlier and normally I'll be using the term PRC for that for us to progress that this is where Saity comes in very handy. On Saity, you find a lot of open reviews which I'm mostly talking to us about and Saity particularly focuses on the review and the curate aspects of that. So what happens on Saity? There are groups, we use the term groups and sometimes people refer to them as editorial communities. Currently 20 groups on Saity and we have more in the pipelines to add. All of them do review, pre-print and provide those reviews openly. You can read them. The tool Saity application is just a platform that brings all of this together. So you don't have to go to different websites to find those reviews and read them. And as I said, let's be talking more about those activities. And one of the advantages of this is that on Saity, you can then find multiple evaluations and by different groups. They have not spoken to each other, but it happened that they have all reviewed one article and provided their different perspectives on it, which enriches the scientific work that goes on. Also, we have the other persona, which is users, who can create and curate their own list. And on that aspect, Prachi will be sharing her experience of using this with us over the last year, exactly, this month. And we've been building a lot into that assumption. That's plenty to you. The other thing we've added to Saity to enrich the experience of users is we have this page called Saity Feed. It's a live stream of what is going on on Saity, who is updating their list, who is providing the latest reviews and all that.  This is how you can reach Saity. So now to welcome our speakers for the day. Let me introduce Prachi, he's an associate professor of biochemistry and cell biology. I think he joins the School of Medicine at Dartmouth College, as well as the co-founder and an in-comment chief scientific officer of Arcadia Science, a research and development company experimented with new ways to do and share science through the study of emerging research organisms. She also advocates for preprints and open science as the president of ESAP Bio and via the Board of Directors of A-Life where she is the chair. So it's good to see you again, Prachi. May I now invite Prachi to please share her experience. Thank you. Great, thanks so much, Godwins. And really happy to be with you today and tell everyone here who's in attendance a little bit about my experience working on Saity and actually using it for many of the workflows that we typically have for my lab and for my organization. And I wonder if I'm unable to actually post to anyone other than the host and the panelists, but I'm wondering if either Shane or Godwins could actually post to the attendees. Also the link to my, I placed it here for us, the link to my society reading list so that everyone else can be looking at the same thing. I don't have any slides, but I think everyone should be able to access it. So I think I wanted to start by giving you an idea of how some of the problems that we're facing as researchers and how Saity sort of tries to solve some of those issues. So I think all of us are very well aware that there is a movement towards, in the publishing landscape and I think a very positive direction as a result of preprints being available that author led publishing where we as researchers can post our work online and it can see the light of day when we are ready for it to do so. And after which any number of innovations of peer review and curation and all of those things can happen on top of that layer. So that really prevents any sort of bottleneck and gatekeeping from allowing our science to become available which and available to everyone so that everyone can read it. I think this is a huge positive step for all of science. And I think I greatly benefit myself from being on the cutting edge of science by reading people's earliest work in the form of preprints. Now, obviously that is a little bit different than the sort of pre-publication review system that we're used to at journals. So in this case, it's basically post-publication review where the science is posted first and then there's other types of review and curation that happen on top of that. And one of the challenges that that poses is that there's a huge now amount of literature that's sort of unbinned or unfiltered which is I think also still a positive thing, evaluation and expertise lives wherever it lives. And I think the only sensible thing to do rather than sort of cherry picking aspects of work that can be evaluated is to make it publicly available so that all the expertise can be brought to bear on top of that work. So now, I think this is again, a very positive feature but that generates a little bit of a challenge because we don't have full infrastructure and luckily that is being built around pre-prince with many of the people in participation today but you have this sort of fire hose of literature and there's still, how do we find all of that evaluation? How do we get that curation to happen? Figure out how to organize that literature in a way that it sort of doesn't exist in this new era. And so I think many of you are probably familiar as scientists in actually trying to find new things to read, sharing what you're interested in reading with your colleagues, with your lab members, your lab mates and often you have very sort of different ways of sharing that. Twitter is a way that I discover a lot of pre-prince and discover the majority of my reading materials either through bioarchive directly or through Twitter from amplification through other people that I follow. And then often in my workflow at least what I end up doing is that I find pre-prince in any number of different ways that happened to come across and then I end up sending it to a lot of people. So I either put it in my Slack group from my lab and send it to students in post-docs in the lab or I will within my other organizations share it with other scientists or tweet it out myself if I have something to say about it. And that means that I have this sort of hodgepodge of ways in which I'm sharing the things that I find are really interesting and why I find them interesting. And so, you know, inter-sciety is something that is solving a number of my problems all at once in which I'm able to sort of consolidate all of the things that I'm really interested in reading annotate those things directly as a, for the reasons why I find those pieces of work interesting, important questions I have about it things that I'd like to note about those pieces of work and they can all live in one place and in one feed my students or anybody else who's interested can subscribe to that feed. And then that gets continually updated as I add more annotations. So if I think Shane has shared that link to my reading list and what you'll see on there I'm pulling it up now, what you'll see on there is a list of different preprints and below it you'll see my annotations for why I find them exciting. A lot of them are my excited exclamations for why I found each of these pieces of work of particular interest. And so it really is nice to be able to actually see them all in one place. I think my students have given a lot of feedback that they actually appreciate being able to go back and look at all of them in one list instead of scattered all throughout 15 different Slack channels and emails and all the other places that these things typically live. And then the, so I think this is one way in which we might start, might think about having sort of curation of the literature where we have this big bin of preprints that's just one, it's all in one bucket and then thinking about how we might be interested for different parties that might be interested in curating and you can see on society that there's a number of different groups that do evaluation of preprints and all of it lives on society. This is sort of the other use case. I think COVID has given us a really good example where of course we have vaccines in months and not in years or decades because people shared all their work in the form of preprints, but then of course we all can't be virologists and immunologists. So it's really important to us as readers of the literature to sort of understand how experts on this field think about the preprints that are being put out there. And so, and as Godwin's noted, typically that evaluation lives in a number of different places. Even on BioArchive, you can find comments on like 15 different places on the page, whether it's by comments or living in the drawer that sits on the right and the trip reviews or other types of community reviews. There's a number of different places all of these things live even on BioArchive, but then of course there are an amazing proliferation of groups that are doing this evaluation. And I think that is an extremely positive thing. People innovating in different ways of peer review on top of preprints and that all with different models and different types of review, all some of them are more modular, some of them are more comprehensive, the expertise is wide ranging. And it is of course as a reader really helpful to not have to go to 18 different websites. I think that the distributed nature of this evaluation is extremely positive. The heterogeneity is extremely a good thing in my opinion that it's good to have a lot of different evaluators that think about this in different way that participate, that have different areas of expertise. All of these things are extremely good. So the goal is not to consolidate the review necessarily, but to actually allow readers to find it all in one place no matter how heterogeneous it is or what form it takes. And so that's the one thing I really appreciate about CIDES that it's actually allowing that distribution of experiments to take place, that the distributed nature of experiments to take place so we can find better, more effective ways of doing evaluation and then bring it all in together in a way that's actually useful to the reader. So I think this is a huge, huge benefit of CIDES and allows us to sort of find the literature sort of evaluation first, rather for things if you wanna say which are the pieces of work that have substantive comments, you can see that on CIDES. So I think all of these things are extremely good developments. And so I really encourage everyone to start thinking about if these are problems that you yourself have to solve sharing, collecting, for example, even the things that you're interested in reading as Godwin's mentioned, you can keep your own private lists as well on CIDES, or you can have a public one like mine where other people can follow your list. And then of course, if you're really interested in seeing what other people thought of work that might be perhaps a little bit outside your field, something you can't yourself evaluate, but are interested in seeing what evaluation of that work is on top of preprints you can find those things on CIDES as well. So yeah, so I think in my experience in doing this curation, actually trying to have all of the work that I'm interested in reading all in one place, I've actually gone back several times just to, as often I think you guys will all experience the coming across work and you feel it sounds familiar you're not sure if you've read it before and actually having a place where you can go back and see your own notes on something that you've read is also really a nice benefit and having it live in one place. So I think a lot of people have reference managers, but it's kind of nice to have this be in a way that other people can follow and you can probably imagine that there might be maybe it's your advisor you're interested in following what they're reading or somebody else in your field or somebody aside your field who is an expert in a topic that you're really interested in if you're trying to move into a new area of science I think that's another sort of use case where you're the science lands us wherever it lands in whatever field we land in and sometimes we have to get up to speed on a new area and are trying to understand what's on the leading edge and seeing what other people are reading is always I think sometimes of interest. And so I think I'll leave my comments there I'm happy to answer any other questions when we get to the Q&A period. And now I'll invite Leslie who's the director of physics, collab and biophysics collab is one of the group on society after completing a BSc in physiology sciences Leslie studied auditory neuroscience for her PhD at the University of Bristol. She moved to University College London to work on the structure and function of ultimate receptors in the brain. In 1999 Leslie became an editor for the journal side journal Nature where she was responsible for selecting molecular neurobiology research for publication and overseeing the biology components of nature's review program. She then launched and led nature communications through its inaugural five years for funding editorial and publishing consultancy and since scientific. Most recently she has been working with the biophysics community to launch biophysics collab and experiment to innovate in the publishing space using publish review curate which we usually refer to as BRC. So welcome to. Thank you very much Godwins for that invitation and thank you for the invitation to talk today about biophysics collab. It's a real pleasure to be here and I look forward to all your questions at the end. So biophysics collab is experimenting with the published review curate model of publishing as Godwins has already explained. This is something that was proposed by Stern and O'Shea back in 2019. So not that long ago actually and it's called published review curate because the process starts with publication as a pre-print and that's already happening on many different pre-print servers now and it's becoming more and more popular. It's growing in popularity exponentially. So this was already in place when we started to think about our experiments. The review pass is something that pre-prints essentially allow us to do really very easily and openly in the public domain and then curation for those who aren't so familiar with the term is something that involves essentially in this context at least, I describe it as communicating the interest or relevance of particular pre-prints to particular communities. So that's how I usually describe published review curate at least the way we're looking at this and we decided to start an experiment in PRC as has already been discussed on, there are many others innovating in this space as well and in very different ways. And I think that's great because it's only by testing the different ways in which this could work that we will find a really efficient way of potentially driving forwards PRC in a much greater context. So what I'm gonna be talking about is essentially what we're doing at Biophysics Colab and that could be very different from what others are doing. So why are we doing this? We're doing this because we really believe that PRC can deliver better peer review, faster communication of research and also equity and inclusivity in the way that knowledge is exchanged. So we think that better peer review can result from this because it gives us an opportunity for peer review to be open and constructive and not adversarial. We believe it can be much higher quality because in our case at least, it's led very much by the community for the community and it's open and transparent. There are no black boxes, no underlying questions about what might have been going on. It's all been done out in the open for everybody to see. We believe it can allow us to achieve much faster communication of work because preprints already allow this. So that faster communication can be in the form of preprints, but we can also achieve faster communication of peer reviewed work as well. And this is what I'm going to be explaining to you. This is essentially what we're doing. And we believe that we can achieve better equity and inclusivity and knowledge exchange, both for readers because papers and the reviews of these papers and how they're curated is freely and publicly available, but also for authors because it gives us an opportunity to allow peer review and curation to be accessible to all and to be independent of kind of binary decisions for journals that are often judged by very flawed metrics. And that's not something that the journals have asked for but that is unfortunately how a lot of them are judged. So, CITI is allowing us to do several different things actually in this PRC space. So first of all, it's allowing us to identify published preprints. So we identify published preprints in many ways. Sometimes authors tell us about them. Sometimes a reader may tell us about an interesting preprint. Maybe something that we've noticed on bioarchive or research square or other preprint servers. But interestingly, I've been working with CITI just the last couple of weeks on a new recommendation tool which is a fantastic way of surfacing preprints that might be interesting to our community. And this recommendation tool, if you feed it with information about the kind of articles that we're interested in, it'll relay back to us suggestions for other preprints that we might want to read. So that's something that's not available yet for the public on CITI but we're really excited about it. It really works incredibly well. So CITI allows us to identify published preprints. CITI is also allowing us to communicate preprints that we think could be a potential interest to our community in this case, the biophysics community. And we're doing this by means of a reading list. And so this is already active on CITI. And I believe Shane may have hopefully shared the link to our CITI page. If he hasn't gone already, I'm sure he will soon. But this is a link to our group page on CITI where we have a list of articles that we've endorsed, articles that we've evaluated, but in our About page we also have a link to articles that are being read by biophysics co-lab, which is essentially a reading list. And so this is how we communicate preprints that we think are gonna be of interest to our community and then CITI also allows us to publicly display the products of peer review alongside the articles that these products relate to. So we display reports on the preprints that we have peer reviewed. These reports will contain the identities of the reviewers if they happen to have signed the report. Our reports are, in our case, we've chosen to communicate to the authors and also publicly display consolidated reports. So these are reports that are produced after the individual reviewers have produced their individual reports and then a discussion takes place and a consolidation occurs. And we actually said just one report to the author with essentially just one set of recommendations. These reports also explain revisions that we feel will be essential to be addressed in order for us to be able to endorse the work. And also a series of optional suggestions, authors may consider them, they may consider them now, they may consider them in the future, but it's entirely up to them. But just thoughts that our reviewers raise that we think are helpful to pass on to authors. And we can also, alongside the articles that we peer reviewed, we can also display the authors' responses. So all these items, if you like, all the products of our peer review are available by clicking on our list of evaluated articles, clicking on the articles themselves, and then underneath the abstract, you can see article activity feed, and this is where we can see, where you can see our consolidated reports, the authors' response, if there is one at this time, and also our evaluation statement. So this is the fourth thing that Saati allows us to do, is curate the preprints that we feel have passed our peer review process. So if we feel that the results support the conclusions, which essentially means that if we feel that all the revisions that we consider to be essential for our endorsement have been addressed satisfactorily, then we will endorse that preprint. And we will do that by posting an endorsement statement, which describes the interesting findings. It describes them in a nutshell, in a sentence or two. It also tries to explain why we feel these findings are interesting and important. And crucially also who these findings will be of interest to, the people that they will be of interest to, or perhaps the communities that they will be of interest to, or maybe if it's a really landmark paper, that these findings will be of interest to society as a whole. So, and sorry, I should have mentioned that all the articles that we've endorsed are actually listed separately in a separate list and just the ease of use, ease of access. So this is a second list that we have on our page, which is endorsed articles. And essentially you click on that, you can see a list of all the articles that we've endorsed and then by clicking on any one of those articles, our endorsement statement is, would appear at the top of the article activity feed with the author's response underneath and the consolidated peer review reports underneath that. So it's essentially, it's the order in which these appear is essentially the order in which they happen with the most recent at the top. So it's a really efficient way of displaying our activity, the activity of our group on society. So I've sort of begun to talk about this a little bit already but just to reiterate and highlight that there are many advantages that society brings to our group as we're innovating in the PRC space. So it allows us to post content, it allows us to post the fruits of our labor and it's really easy for us to do that. So once any of these items, you know, either the report or the author's response or our endorsement statement, once we posted that content in hypothesis, society finds us, we, society finds it, sorry, we don't need to do anything else, society will surface that information, it will link it to the preprint and question and display it as I've just described on our lists which are on our group page. Society has allowed us to begin experimenting with PRC much, much quicker than we would have done otherwise. You know, if society wasn't around, we would have needed to develop our own platform to showcase our activity. So, and that's, you know, that's no mean feat, that's going to be a considerable amount of development. So it was, we were lucky, it was already in place and, you know, we've been hugely lucky to work with society to be able to showcase what we've been doing. It also allows us as practically so elegantly explained to collect the products of our activity in one place. So for us, for example, anybody who's interested in biophysics can, you know, can come to our page and very quickly see at least some of the articles that we think are interesting and find out why we think they're interesting and also find out which ones we're endorsing now. Now, this is not comprehensive, it's by no means comprehensive at the moment. This is very small scale experiments and it's essentially limited by the number of people that are involved in the group. But it is something that we're, you know, we're trying to expand, you know, we're always looking for to recruit new scientists to help us in our endeavor. But essentially, you know, biophysicists in the future, hopefully we'll be able to come to this page and find, you know, find work that they may be interested in or collected in one place. And I think also what's really nice is that society is helping to bring pre-print review into the mainstream as well and highlighting the benefits of PRC and pre-print review in particular to the wider community. So, yeah, I hope I've explained what we're doing and how society is helping us. And I look forward to your questions. Thank you so much for that, Leslie. Yeah, so thanks a lot. And with all that Leslie and Pratchett said, I just want to actually make it known to everyone that no fee is being collected, it's all free.  There's nothing, you know, you don't have to pay anything to do that. I'm glad that Leslie mentioned the hypothesis where you can post some of your reviews and that also is free. So, you know, nothing stops you as some, especially as an early career researcher to expose what you do, to make it, you know, put it out there for others to enjoy and benefit from. We are now in a session where comments are welcome and questions are welcome. We want to know what you think or what questions you have, but I'm going to just start with a question that someone sent by email. I think it's Annalise Taylor. Actually, Annalise, you're here, I think. It may be possible, Shane, to allow Annalise Taylor to ask her question. Maybe she can elaborate more if she's willing. Otherwise, I may read it out. Hi, yeah. My question was about how the reviews are actually sort of curated, like how you identify people to do the reviews of the preprints. And I saw at the beginning that it looks like you're aggregating different preprint servers or preprint review services as well, but just a little bit more about that process. Okay. So, yeah. Thanks for mentioning the preprint servers, because I didn't talk about that. Because we started building this from scratch and building it along the line of allowing researchers to use it, because we are building it based on this feedback. We have been experimenting with just a few things. This is why there are fewer groups, because we want to make sure that we get it right. And in the same vein for preprint servers, we currently are formally linked to two preprint servers, and those are bi-archive and meta-archive. So those are the two main things. If you go on site and search for article, the results you get are indexed to these two preprint servers. Beyond that as well, we can review activities on Research Square. Some of the content that Biophysics Collab has on there is on Research Square, I think. And then we've been working to display things linked to CLO preprints. That is ongoing now. So we are able to do that, but currently in a formal position, we are just indexing for such purposes, we are only indexing to preprint servers. I hope that answered your question. Yes, thank you very much. Thank you. Someone has their hand up. Marufu? Hello. Thank you. Hi. Look, can you hear me please? Yes, we can hear you. I want to say thank you so much for this wonderful opportunity and privilege and innovative idea you are coming up with from. But my concern is how can we researcher and review also benefit and get ourselves registered on the platform? Because I've heard you said it is free and of what relevance will it not be to us researcher? I would like to have a better understanding of it. Is this something we can also add in our profile like our CVs and the rest of them? I can answer that question. Go for it. Thank you. Great. Thank you for the question. One of the things that, I think preprints have this obvious benefit that the authors are able to share their work. One of the things that it lacks is peer review on the outset. In order to have that peer review layer, we need a lot of participants. One of the great benefits is that anyone can review and comment on a preprint. It is a public product and anyone can review and comment on a preprint. One of the community based groups that exists on society is pre-review. Where you could actually review any preprint that you want. What happens on that platform is that you can review and get a digital object identifier, a DOI, and that means that now your review itself is a scholarly product that has a link that you could add to your CV, for example. That will get indexed on society as well so that it can be visible for anybody who wants to see that review and it will get posted back on to bioarchive itself as well. I strongly encourage all early career researchers to participate in the review system, just waiting to be asked. That is the current limitation of the system in which you typically have very few numbers of people that are able to participate. It is putting a great strain on the system. The scientific literature is expanding exponentially. Of course, the current version of review is crushing under the weight of that. We already know how long it takes in order to get review of papers. It takes a very long time. It requires very few people to review a huge amount of the literature. I think an obvious solution to that is to open up review to the expertise wherever it is, including all of you early career researchers who are experts in your science. You are the ones doing the research. You are the ones who are working for the research. If you want to get to a new ecosystem in which we are all contributing to this review in a way that makes it more sustainable in the future and especially in this new future where that is built upon pre-prints and post-publication review, we can all participate in this. That is a good mechanism. You can get a digital object identifier for your review. It is a scholarly product that you can put on your CV. That doesn't require any other infrastructure. These are things that already exist where you can have a very clear link to your review contribution. Thank you very much. I would like to ask Shane to share a feedback form. I think there are three questions on it. We would like to know what you think about this and make any suggestions. I will ask David Ashbrook who has posted a question if he is happy to make his comment by himself. Otherwise I can just read it out. David, how do you do that? How do you do that? I have managed to get logged in. I have saved a list. Is it possible to get many different lists or is it one per account? I saw you had a nice annotation of the papers on there. How do you do that? How do you do that? How do you do that? That is an experimentation stage you are seeing there. We are soon going to activate it for other users. David, just as you are very interested, I will be in touch with you. Maybe I can get you to do it as an experimenting phase as well. If you like that. That would be great. There are other aspects of whether you can have more than one list. At the moment you can only have one. It is a feedback we have had from other researchers as well. It is in the pipeline somewhere. We are thinking about it. No work has been started on that yet. Shane has just shared a Google website. Can I ask something? Prachi did mention pre-review. I will ask her to chip in. Daniela's pre-review is also a group on site. Can you take two minutes to explain that to us? I am here. I always learn more. I am supposed to know a lot about sites. I always learn more by participating. Thanks for mentioning pre-review. Basically, we are always trying to improve the platform. We are in the process of making new exciting changes. We have a lot of new services coming up every day. It is the primary audience for early career researchers. In designing how people can contribute, we want to prioritize openness. We believe openness is the way forward. We believe there should be a choice. Especially for people who have been able to do so anonymously. That is one feature about pre-review.  You will have a chance to publish everything with your public name. It will be linked to your orchid ID. You also have a chance to publish with a pseudo name. It is assigned to you at the time of sign-up. What that means is that you are not accountable for what you write. Pre-review is a code of conduct. We ask everybody to read and abide when you sign up. There are ways for other community members as well as for us to flag reviews that are published. There are different ranges. Things that are not cool. We do not tolerate attacks or comments that are not with a purpose of providing feedback that is done as constructive and clear as it could be. That is one feature that is helpful especially for early career researchers. The last thing you can do is provide a rapid pre-review. You can capture the gist of the pre-review. It is under the lens right now. We are looking at improving that. You have to say yes or no. Science is not as white or black. It provides better ways of providing gray areas. We are looking at improving that. We are looking at improving that. We are looking at improving that. Thank you for giving me the space to talk about pre-review. Today we published the first pre-review that was authored by a lot of early career ambassadors that participated in the pre-review. Thank you very much. Thank you for the space and the opportunity. I am dealing with a big concern about ethics. Part of the circumstances that new researchers more learn are related to ethics. It is a topic that nobody wants to have knowledge to formulate or to discuss. It is important in order to prepare a strong researcher career. I would like to know your thoughts about the ethical problems that new researchers face. How will the community deal with ethical problems in the near future? Thank you very much. Leslie, would you like to take that question?  Are you asking about ethics in publication in a more general sense? How research is conducted? That would be helpful. It could be up to you, but I think it is related. If we are not well trained or sensitized about the ethical concerns and problems and criteria, I would like to introduce publications with non-ethical basis. It is up to you. I want to put this hot topic on the table. Thank you very much. I agree. It is incredibly important, and I really wouldn't be time to go into that in depth in the five minutes or so that we have left in this webinar. Just to maybe expand on a couple of ideas around your questions. Research ethics and publication ethics are things that actually journals are a great source of information about research ethics and publication ethics. Visiting their websites is a great way of finding out information about that. In terms of society and society, and PRC, and pre-print review, one of the real advantages is really for publication ethics. A big advantage is that pre-print review is conducted out in the open. There is nothing going on behind the scenes that we don't necessarily know about. The idea is a very transparent environment. Anybody can comment on a pre-print and state their opinion. It's something that we're very aware of as well as a group on society. We haven't yet, but we are in the process of formulating our own policies, expectations that we have of reviewers, expectations that we have of authors, and we're going to be posting those on the website. It's very relevant because what we try and do with all our peer reviews is involve as many different people as we can in the peer review process. We're involving senior researchers, researchers from around the globe, researchers with different backgrounds. It's really important that everybody has a voice in our process of consolidating the reports. It's something that we think about all the time. Probably that's the most I will have time to expand upon in this webinar. Thanks, Leslie. If you want to send me an e-mail, I can ask Leslie to respond more broadly or at length to your question that I would help. We have four minutes. Do you have any thoughts? I was going to say Leslie's point about the transparency of public review. I think this is a huge benefit for all parties. Rather than discussion that goes on behind closed doors to make sure that authors have recourse to discuss that publicly in return instead of just be at the mercy of behind-the-scenes discussion. That is a huge benefit that everybody can see. I think one big concern about public review and having everyone participate is that you don't have to discuss the conflict of interest. This is built on platforms such as bioarchive which requires authors to disclose their competing interests. When you come to reviewers, since anybody can comment whether there is conflict of interest of a reviewer on to the work if there is not checks being done upfront. There can be recourse and public discussion in order to have these conversations out in the open. Even if there is some behind-the-scenes connection between people in whatever way that might be it is still available for other people to comment on and refute and authors to have recourse. These are important questions that I think we need to keep in mind. Again, we are achieving something that the secret review system is, yes, there are checks and things happening by journals but by virtue of things not being transparent we cannot ever know what exactly is transpiring and this is the ultimate benefit. Thank you, Prachi. That brings us nicely to the end of this webinar. Thank you so much, Prachi and Leslie for your time being here today to share your experiences with us. If you are interested in future ECR webinars, we as E-Life will invite you to explore the past and the targets ECR Wednesday webinar series which are presented by E-Life which discuss a wide range of topics that are of interest to early career researchers. Shane will drop a link to the collection in the chat. Thank you, Shane. We will announce next edition soon and look forward to seeing you there but may I also ask and add that if you want to set up your group on society or on Pre-Review, just get in touch as well and provide technical advice as well to help you if you are just starting off and you don't know how it all works and we can support you to go through that and make sure that you can get it right. So far now we are doing self-selecting for groups to appear on site. If you call us there are some pills but it's not very long pills. Thank you so much for your time and thank you for completing the feedback from that we sent out. Until next time, thank you. See you soon. Thanks everyone. Thank you. Bye.


We're still an oak bluff the same place. We went to sleep last night nice Be less than that between 10 12 pick up a load and drag it back here. How awesome as they are Have found us something to take up there So we don't have to go up empty. We can quickly go pick something up bring it up there drop it off and then pick up my freight Bring it down here that way. I don't have to go all the way up there with nothing on the trailer A bunch of sailboat fuel and motorcycle doors, right? This is good I got to go to the other side of the city though quickly throw it on the trailer And then we'll be on our way. So let's go pick it up. I am ready to rock be a good day We have that RGN trailer behind us that we picked up yesterday, right?  Oh, hey, mr. Clayson, you can't park it. I gotta go Thank you. There you go. We're at a meter or so just make sure that my trailer is attached That's gonna come with me of course bud. That's okay. Have that extra freight on our trailer now that's taking us north This is awesome. Now.  Okay. I'm gonna go check the load tighten the straps a little bit. We're on a little pull-out. You don't need the truck idling Save some fuel Stuff's expensive nowadays.  Let me see There you are. Don't I look ridiculous? That's why people are staring at me funny all the time, but I do it for you And I do it for the likes so hit that like button Okay, guys, so I said a little pull out here. This is actually a little scale that's closed right now This is my load. I got spent fingers. I got this culvert in here got it wrapped in here I'm going to just walk around here and check all my straps. Make sure they're tight See this one could go another notch Settled a little bit this guy here. I have a pallet of cement in here Excuse me a little noisy there's a pallet of cement in here that Is powdered and it cannot get wet it's wrapped and shrink wrap under there and then tied down and then we put one of My tarps over it Wrapped it with a strap to keep the tarp in and then put another guy on top of here Just to keep it from flapping around. What is this here? I don't oh boy. I don't want that on my trailer How's that coming from? Oh boy, let's climb up on her a little bit. I don't want that flying out into traffic Where did that come from? Is that where it came from? Where did it come from? Okay, well anyway And there's this guy back here. I saw these straps were flapping a little bit even though I have them twisted So oh shoot my corner sort of came off of there, didn't it? I Push that back in there if I can whatever as long as the strap is protected. That's fine I've got to tighten that up And this up a little bit here I've got my tarps my other two that I didn't use in here So climb up on here So this RGN trailer is it's designed for hauling big machinery, right? But you can also use it for hauling stuff like this It's a unique trailer Now you hear me talking about rubrails all the time, right? This trailer does not have rubrails. It's one of those non-rubrails trailers It's an RGN These are for chains. We'll be using them once we pick up our big big piece of machinery I've got a crate filled with some stuff in here We're gonna tighten those straps up So it looks like on this side So we are north of Grand Rapids about one hour from where highway six turns right towards Thompson If you're familiar with this road, this is the one road that heads up into northern Manitoba It is paved all the way up to where We meet the 280 just a little past Thompson. I'm gonna stay in Thompson tonight Because I don't want to go down highway 280 at night I Want to be able to see the potholes before they swallow me and and try to avoid that and try to live I don't know how bad the road's gonna be but from everything I've heard from everyone who's gone down there recently Nothing has changed and it's gonna be pretty brutal It's a long remote road all gravel So 250 kilometers that'd be two and a half hours of just highway driving If it was paved It's about 150 miles Gravel road. So the other day last week we were talking about 15 miles of gravel road. You remember that? I was like, oh no 15 miles. This is 10 times further 150 miles of gravel road. We're gonna do tomorrow one way and back goes as 300 miles altogether Normally that would be half a day of driving So we're gonna get there as early as we can unload this stuff Get reloaded and try to get back to Thompson and as far south as we can And hopefully old blue will hold up. It's just a tough truck. So Should be fine I'm not excited about going down the gravel road with the truck, but I've said it before money talks Put enough dollar signs at the end of that gravel road That's where you'll find me Trying to get my family into a better house We're gonna have to replace our vehicles in the next five to ten years And yet one day I want to save up and maybe even have some property by the lake Whether it just be some land where we can put a camper on or an actual cabin Yeah, that's our goals I don't have many other goals in life other than that Other than my obvious goals of building my businesses and growing my little empire In whatever ways I can Starting new businesses helping them to grow Finding new ways of making money New ways of surviving And hopefully the future is bright. That's all we can do right and just hope Hope for a good future But yeah, there's enough dollar signs down at the end of the gravel road. That's where I'll be We can get a lot of garbage though. Come on guys Maybe they need to put garbage cans here Oh, who are we kidding? Put garbage cans here. No one's gonna use them, right? It's real quiet out here. So it's kind of nice to do something a little different with the rgn Would you call it a low-boy trailer?  It's disgusting. Look at this all around here That's too bad, you know There are no options here.  I mean I honestly don't know if that would make a difference or not, but What do you do, right?  It's It's sad. I wish it was different. We can do better Made it to thompson out of here Let's just get out here and do the walk around make sure that we're gonna be good We were here last winter and this whole place was just packed them I think it gets a lot busier here in winter because of the winter roads But i'm not sure That would make sense to me Because there's a lot of communities north of here That can only have road access during the winter months with the winter roads and the ice roads So in wintertime There's a lot of trucks a lot of trucks going up and down here including us We do the ice roads and winter roads too. I haven't done them myself yet I've dabbled a little bit. I've done one here and one there a little bit here a little bit there Not the real ones though. Not the real winter roads. I've just crossed the river a couple of times and You know I haven't gone too far. I don't really want to take old blue Up on those roads because they can get really rough. It's not like the show ice road truckers. It's uh It's a lot more isolated and secluded. We don't have film crews following us around with paramedics On site right away, right? We're out there all alone with no cell segments. It's One day. I want to do it yet, but We'll see I was coming in here to join us If he does park beside me, I hope he's quiet He's coming around the back there. I bet you anything he's going to come park right beside me Close. Nope. Nope. Is he going to go in there? He's not sure where he's going either He's flying though Not too fast. I guess Just faster than me Okay, he's getting back in right over here. These are all parking spots here So This is where we're going to spend the night See he was going to come right in here between us, but there's this cement block A cement block here for some reason I don't know why But I guess we're not supposed to park right here So everybody that's it. That's all for the day. Thanks for hanging out with me Really appreciate it. Give me some light there. 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And so, yeah, now that it's started, Taisha, would you like to pray? Sure, Pastor. Yes. Heavenly Father, we thank you for such a glorious moment to convene in class, to learn about your word, to apply to a life of the prophetic and the apostolic. We're so grateful that your word, even over 2,000 years ago, it is still relevant. It is still relevant today, and it's still relevant in each and every one of our lives. Each and every one of the students, and thank you so much for directing our path, and Pastor Nancy continue to cover her in strength, and give her wisdom as she imparts in our lives, in the mighty name of Jesus, amen and amen. Amen, amen. Thank you. Thank you so much, Taisha, for praying. I said yesterday that we will start with the discussion, the first 10 minutes. We had the topic on 50 emerging trends in the church, and this has to do with the apostolic anointing. So, if you've gone through it, and you can share your learning or whatever questions you have, we'll clarify that, and then we can get into today's chapter. So if you've gone through it, or if you haven't, don't worry too much, you can just open up the notes, and just scan through the points, please take two minutes to do that. It'll be good that we clarify any doubts regarding this particular chapter, and only then proceed to the next one. Just have a quick look. Which page, Pastor? In the notes, this would be page number 13, 1-3. Thank you. Yes. Okay. Yes, Amir? Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. It might sound a little repetitive, Pastor, by a foot or part of the ... I'm just been sitting with ... Yesterday there was a point which spoke about the word apostle or apostles and the relationship being demystified. Yes. So, just around that, and I'm still trying to kind of work around that, and so when I look through the 50, 60 emerging trends, and I'm reflecting back to what we've learned in the past, a lot of it is similar to what we learned in believers' authority and demonology. A lot of the points resonate with that, like whatever a believer can do, looks like an apostle can do. Okay. And then similarly there are ... Sorry, my network is not that great. Let me know if you want me to repeat. No, no, no, that's fine. No, I can hear you very well. Yes. Go ahead. Okay. So, again, so what I'm struggling with is on one end, I'm trying to demystify apostleship, but then again, the other end is like, it looks like almost every believer can call themselves apostle or even say, like, I'm in the off, like ... I mean, so I'm very practical example, like, would it be too weird if someone called you apostle Nancy? Yeah, it'll be really weird. Yeah. Yeah. But again, it's ... Yeah. Yes. So, or someone introduces and says, like, you know, it's Pastor Ashish who is evangelist, apostle, prophet. So, one is around the title ship, and another is again demystifying it, but again the other is separating, so this is around the title, so that's what I'm kind of working with. Okay. Okay. Especially in terms of, again, when I'm looking at the trends, except for one or two, which is like, you know, there's something mentioned around working with Muslim and Jewish community. So that was a new point that I came across, working with Hollywood in India. So that was something ... So except one or two points, most of it seems pretty familiar. That's right. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. That's ... Thank you, Samuel. So in the 50 points, you said that most of them are familiar, only the ones that are about touching new communities, that is different. So that's good. Good to know that you're already, you know, you have understood all the other points. Now, coming to the title of an apostle, so you see the way we must understand the titles, not just the apostle, but also the prophet and the teacher and the pastor, all these titles, you know. We know that God wants us to honor people in leadership. So that is always there. There's always the due respect. There is always the due honor for the calling of God on somebody's life and their response or obedience to God in receiving, holding on to that calling, living out that calling and all of that. So when we call somebody by a title, it's okay to affirm that they are in that function or they are, if you want to put it in a very technical way, that there is a release of that particular anointing upon their lives. So it's okay to that extent. But the reason why there is a point about demystifying the apostle is also because somehow when it comes to this particular title and this particular call, the office of an apostle, history is witnessed that an apostle has been regarded very highly or apostles have been regarded very highly starting from the early, you know, the early church.  But then he says, okay, don't worship me, it's God whom you have to worship. Similarly, I think it was Lystra earlier on where Paul and I forget who the other person was, but they both went and they ministered to a lame person and the response was similar. People were ready to worship the, you know, these missionaries. So the apostles, because of the way the anointing manifests through their life, you know, they have been held in very high regard and, you know, people could even kind of forget that they are human because that's the way in which the anointing manifests. So I was just listing out a couple of points for us about, you know, like the key categories that we have seen, just let me just put those points here on the chat. Okay. So a few of them. So some categories I put it out for you to describe the manifestation of the apostolic. If we were to categorize the 50 points, it would fall under one or two topics that I have put in the chat. So increased supernatural expansion into territories, pioneering, governmental authority, new revelation, they provide vision, they have incredible foresight, they also engage in social reforms, they are fathers to the body. So the apostles can be regarded so highly that people forget they are human. And that is the reason we have to learn to honor them, but not put them on a pedestal. So that's the whole point when, you know, you read about demystifying the apostle. Okay.  Of course, we are not subtracting from the fact that the person has worked hard and, you know, they have honored the call of God on their lives, they have worked hard, all that is there. But still at the end of the day, you know, we, I don't know if, okay, there is the Code of Honor, APC publication, which you all have gone through in your first year, but we also used to have a conference known as level ground. And we really, you know, believe in that here at all people's church where we believe that whoever we are as a child of God, everybody is on level ground, we all carry anointing, we all carry callings, and there is due honor for that. But then we're all on level ground, we're accountable to God, we need to live a holy life and, you know, just be simple and relatable as people of God. So that confidence, we used to have that earlier and we still have that. If people ask for that confidence, we will be organizing it in different cities. It's mainly something that we do for pastors and leaders right now. So yeah, so just sort of summarizing everything that I said, I'm saying, we honor the call, but we must not put the person on a pedestal. And that is very likely to happen for the office of an apostle, okay. So we want to prevent that. So that that is what I've been saying. Now coming to the other point that you raised where you said that looking at the functions of an apostle, it feels like every believer can do it, which is true, okay. It's very true. Every believer is apostolic and we're going to, you know, discuss about that a little later. So all of us are apostolic and the anointing can function at a certain capacity through our lives. But, you know, going back to the progression of the prophetic call, he said that all believers can be prophetic, but there is a person called into the office of a prophet. So the capacity is completely different. And the distinguishing feature is the governmental authority. Remember that term, governmental authority. So a prophet carries governmental authority, which means that, you know, the extent of the anointing is great and their responsibility is great. Their accountability to God will also be great. Okay. So that is governmental authority.  So every believer can be apostolic. All of us can conquer new territories for God, but we are not apostles. And our apostle is somebody whose ability for the apostolic anointing is, you know, at the highest level. And he or she carries governmental authority.  So there's a very big difference. So we can be an apostolic believer. We can also have apostolic ministries, but that does not make us an apostle. So Sam, two things that I felt, you know, you were wanting clarity about. Does it make sense? Yes, yes, it does, Baster. Okay, thank you. Great. Yes. Thank you so much. So good. I think we have an idea of what the apostolic anointing is supposed to do and what apostles do. And, you know, honestly, like it would be easy for me to just say the names of three or four people and tell you that, hey, this is an apostle. That is an apostle. But I'm really holding myself back from doing that because it's like, you know, even the current day, there are movements, current day, there are several movements actually, and especially, you know, North America and places like that, you have apostolic movements. And there are many well-known faces attached to these movements. However, you know, there are also a couple of, you know, practices or, you know, it's like we can't justify everything that is done under the umbrella of being apostolic or having an apostolic mantel or an apostolic calling. So it would be rather confusing. Like, if I bring up names and say, oh, so and so is an apostle, so is an apostle, so. So, I mean, I just leave it up to you, the best thing. In fact, some of the books that I'm reading about the apostolic, you know, what I feel is being said is that we can observe the function, we can observe the function, and then, you know, be able to tell that a certain person or a certain ministry is apostolic, okay? And also, it's not necessary to use the title, okay? And a lot of people who are doing apostolic work, very good apostolic work, don't necessarily use the title, okay? So they just do the work. They don't, they're not called as apostle, so and so, you know, apostle, this and that. So going with the title is, you know, I don't know. I see that it's all that important. So even if someone's not called by the title, apostle, if we see the manifestation of all these functions through their lives, we are clear that, hey, God is using a particular person as an apostle, okay? And another thing is that generally, for us to observe this kind of, you know, through somebody's life, you observe all these things happening, expanding into new territories and, you know, then carrying governmental authority, interacting with leadership. So it could take a while before we see all these things happen through somebody's life. So, you know, the best way to assess and confirm that somebody is an apostle is to just observe, observe their life, observe the anointing which is being released through their lives and to see the impact that that anointing is making, okay? So that's how we could say that, you know, a certain person is an apostle. So, you know, I could put out some names for you right away. And even if you Google, you will find some names on the internet. But then, you know, we could always get into an argument or, you know, say, oh, okay, why are you calling so-and-so an apostle? You know, I know that this is happening through their life, but that is something that's not happening. So, you know, I don't want to get into all that. And which is why I haven't mentioned a single name over here in our class. Okay. So, yes, Taisha, you have a question. Yes, Pastor, based on this list with the 60, is it that we're saying when we, the person should have, you or she should have all of them, or we're saying these are the observants. When we see these, we know that this is the apostolic working. They're working in the office of the apostate. Yeah. So, we could safely say most of them. Okay. Not all, but most. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So, yeah, any thoughts, any questions in line with what we're discussing right now? Yes. Yes, Christopher. Yes, thank you, Pastor. Can you hear me? Yes, very well. Yeah. So, I just wanted to get some clarity on this point number 13, which is contending the U.S., U.S.C. and Doctrineal Divisions that keep the church separate and divided, depending on the truth and the prevention of apostasy from infiltrating the church. So, I just wanted to kind of, I guess, understand the way this has been done in the form of apostolic ministry point of view. Because I'm just sort of doing this kind of comment where, you know, if you look at the at a server list or number of, you know, number of Christians and not that you want to focus on numbers, but more on the view of, you know, the doctrines that have been, that have been reached by a majority of Christians who have been followed and preached, rather, you know, by a majority of Christians. If you just look at the numbers, if you look at, you know, again, I'm not sure how current high statistics are about, you know, if you look at number of Christians being about approximately about 2.6, 2.7, that billion, you have within that nearly half that are Catholics and that there's Protestants and there's Anglicans and, you know, sort of close to Lutheranism, which is probably, you know, came about because of the Reformation and, you know, when Martin Luther actually came in and you know, pointed out quite a few ideas that, you know, that were some of the practices that were wrong as well as the doctrines were not according to the Bible. That was, that is probably about 250 million, so it's about maybe around about, I mean, it's very relatively a small number. So I guess where I'm coming from is as we are, as we are, you know, learning more about doctrines, about how we need to live our lives according to, you know, how Christ died this night and it is, I guess, a combination of doctrines and, you know, guidance that we get from or the, you know, sorry, the foundations that we get from the Word of God and how we practice it.  So I just want to understand from an of course, from a big ministry point of view how this is being done and how this, you know, as pointed out here, you know, as a trend, how this is being done and what, you know, what would be some of the ideas that are being focused upon, yeah. Yeah, sure. Thanks, Christopher, really good observation there. So, you know, looking back at the biblical model, we know that the apostles were very committed to the doctrine. So even when you begin, I think it's Acts 2 or Acts 4, you see that people were getting together in homes, they were breaking bread, they were also learning the apostles' doctrines, it says. Okay, so the apostles' doctrines. So at that time, we know that there were 12 apostles, Matthias included, and, you know, we had, you know, other people also part of the group by that time, and then there were the emerging apostles, you know, you had the apostle James, the brother of Jesus, who's not part of the 12 apostles of the Lamb, but he was another apostle who rose up and took care of the church in Jerusalem. So, you know, the apostles basically at that time, and what were they doing? They were teaching their doctrine. They were very particular about their doctrine. And then when the issue of circumcision arose somewhere around Acts 14, they are so upset that, you know, they take it up, like they content, they literally quarrel with the people bringing in these teachings from, you know, the Judean region, and then, you know, they go, they make sure that it is sorted out in the main headquarter, which is Jerusalem, and then the decree is made or the standard is set. It is all written out and it is announced to all the believers across all the different regions, you know, of Israel. So in this manner, the apostles were guarding, they were guarding the apostles' doctrine. What is the apostle doctrine at that time? We know that they would have held on to the teachings of Jesus because when Jesus was ministering on the earth, he was talking about the kingdom of God, and then there were, you know, a couple of other subjects that he focused on. So they were holding on to all the teachings of Jesus, plus they held on to what Jesus was learning from the scriptures. So, you know, you have those five books, the Torah. So, Jesus also studied from them and, you know, he grew up as a devout Jew. So they would have given honor and respect to the Jewish scriptures. So that makes up the apostles' doctrine. And from then on, you know, they carried on teaching what they knew.  So he also wrote letters. That also got included. So now we have the revelation of God's word in the form of the Bible or the Logos, which we hold on to as the scriptures. And our doctrine is from there. And as you rightly pointed out, Christopher, there are many teachings out there. Now, the thing is, we have to preserve and even Jude talks about it, content for the faith. So what we know as, I suppose that's where the term like, you know, the gospel truth. So whatever we know as truth, we have to hold on to it and we should never let it get diluted in any sense. So how do we do that? One of the ways in which we see the apostles doing that is teaching, teaching the accurate word of God. And whenever they see, you know, some issues that would change the standards of God's word, they immediately address that.  So to, to sort of content against content with any false doctrine, that is one of the ways in which we have to preserve the truth of God's word. So that would mean, you know, writing up, writing up God's truth, you know, in a way that can be understood in a way that you have scriptures to substantiate what you're saying. And you're saying, hey, this is the doctrine. Now, we can't, we cannot go anywhere away from it. So basically, we have to preserve the doctrine in that way, write it down and continue to preach it and propagate it. So in that way, we safeguard the doctrine. And if there's anything wrong that is coming up, we'll have to question that. We'll have to question that. Now, talking about the different denominations, you see, there are some as long as as we've been saying, you know, even when we talked about Kingdom of God, House of God, see, as long as people are born again, people are born again, and there are some contentions on peripheral issues. Now, I'm just saying, maybe it's a cultural issue, a cultural issue like head coverings for women. Now, this is a subject that, you know, yeah, it does have implications. But then if two groups, if they just say, okay, we are going to follow head coverings.  Like those who want to follow head coverings, well and good. You know, you carry on, because that's how even Paul addresses that matter. First Corinthians chapter 11, but towards the end of that passage, he says that we don't have any such traditions in the churches of God. But, you know, if that particular church that he's addressing, they want to have head coverings, that's okay. So, there are certain peripheral subjects, cultural matters where it's okay to let the different denominations carry on with, you know, some of these things, okay, we want to wear this color, they don't want to wear that color. It doesn't matter. But when it comes to the core matters, you know, core matters, that's where the issue lies. You know, the core matters we cannot like things like Trinity, things like the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, things like the person of the Holy Spirit, you know, if there is an issue in the doctrine in the core matters, then, you know, we really have to put our foot down and say, come on, this is not happening. This is not the right doctrine and we'll have to contend for it. So, this is the way in which, you know, we preserve the doctrine which we have received, you know, the canon of scripture, we hold on to that. Now, another very, the reason I said good question is because when you look at the epistles of Apostle Paul or Apostle James, okay, James, yeah, he doesn't talk too much about it, but Apostle John, Apostle Peter, all of them bring up the matter of false apostles, okay, all of them bring up the issue of wrong teaching, wrong standards and they say beware in the last days, there will be, there will be people who will come up with all kinds of teachings that actually take you away from the truth of God's word, that will take you away from worshipping God, you know, and the way we had the test for the prophetic, what is genuinely from God? Does it really draw me closer to God? Does it really make me honor God more? Does it really make me consecrate my life to God? Does it make my life holy? These are all questions we have to ask. Is it in line with God's written word? So, this similar tests apply for the apostolic as well. So, if we do conclude that something is false apostolic or someone is a false apostle, then what we generally see the Bible apostles doing is they call it out, like I think John, in third John, is it he calls out this one man called Dietaryphus, who is very selfish and causing division among the people and you know, he was a worker with John, but you know, he went his own way and he kind of made a mess of the calling on his life, but Apostle John calls it out and he says, hey, be careful about this man called Dietaryphus. So, yeah, so, you know, we will see the core matters of the faith questioned, Christopher, and you know, there will be, as you observe, you know, the apostolic unfolding from somebody's life, you know, if at all you are able to see that, hey, this is not leading me anywhere close to God, then we can contend. That's where that whole point comes in, and you know, we'll have to stand up in one way or the other. We either put out the right doctrine in the public forum and say, this is what scripture says, and this is how I have substantiated, or we simply call out the wrong doctrine, or we call out the false apostate. Yeah, so I hope it has answered your question. Christopher, is that okay? Okay, maybe Yes, I think it answered the question. I guess what I wanted to also understand a little bit is I didn't know about, I mean, I think there was a mention about this, this Antioch Church, which is more in the 6th, I think, and again, I'm not sure if I'm losing the right reference. As I understand this, these churches that I believe are actually churches that came up in the US, in Texas, actually, and they have really spread, you know, pretty much in the US. And what I was just trying to understand is from a point of view of denomination versus non-denomination, and where there are some, you know, fundamental differences in doctrine, we have, which we've been talking about in this, in this, in this Bible called it also, you know, that there are some fundamentals that, that we have to, that we have to hold on to. And I have just, I mean, I didn't have, I'm not done too much of research on this, but just going back to the way Martin Luther actually, you know, how it sort of broke up, how the Protestant churches broke away from Catholic churches, and we had some, some, I mean, he had three main ideas, which I think resonate very well with some of the things that we have done to the Bible college, you know, where we have, one was basically about, you know, the faith and the grace provided by, by, by God. It was not good works at, you know, princess salvation. So that is one fundamental thing which, which, the principle of, of what Martin Luther was, was claiming. The other one was that the Bible, the final source of truth about God in heaven. And I think that experience has been, been taught. The third one is very, I think quite key is that the, the churches, it's a miracle of believers and not just the clergy, not just the priests, you know, something that I think was very, very prevalent in the denomination churches, you know, where the clergy and the priests were sort of elevated to the position where they sort of put themselves in between the, the, the, the believers and, and God, you know, so that's how they, you know, they're able to sort of position themselves, you know, to do, to perform the right of them. And the, the, the confession, for example. So I guess to sort of this point that I made you as short as possible. What I tried, wanted to understand from a, from a trained perspective, where have been some of the barriers where churches, maybe the anti-of-church, for example, where have they sort of focused on work along with the denominalist churches to try and ensure that, you know, the doctrines, you know, some fundamental doctrines are really true and, you know, I don't know how successful they did, but still, you know, where have been some of the barriers. Okay. So, Christopher, if I'm understanding your question correctly, you're saying that are there, are there examples of churches working together to guard doctrine? Correct, correct. Yeah, that's right. Guard doctrine and ensure that, you know, in some ways it is becoming, you know, here, here, you know, somebody who's not making churches, you do something that is, that they, you know, fundamentally correct you and try to sort of, sort of, like, yeah, we have some examples and, you know, as in that, in that trend, as that mean, I hope that, as there is an example, there is an example of protection in that. Okay. Yes, yes, yeah. Thank you, Christopher. So, I think the reformation in itself is, you know, a starting point where Martin Luther wanted to guard the doctrine about salvation, you know, by grace through faith. So, that, it started, I mean, it's not started, but, you know, that's a great reference point. And, you know, going forward, as we've been learning about church history, we talked about the different, you know, the progression, we said, the Anabaptists who were practicing water baptism, repentance and so, you know, that whole doctrine about salvation and then affirming that through water baptism, they were guarding it, the Anabaptists, the Puritans, were more about holiness. So, we know that there was a great influence of the Puritans on people like, you know, John Wesley, the holiness movement that came about. So, John Wesley, I forget his first name, we take a very famous, I think, European preacher through whom many people were saved. So, you know, the doctrine of holiness, that sort of started, people started recognizing that that is what the Word of God speaks about. So, salvation is one thing, but then living out that Christian life with holiness is also very important.   And then later on, you know, we talk about the healing movement where people saw through, you know, the release of God's anointing. Many men and women rose up and you have references of tent meetings where the part of God was poured out on people and healings were taking place, physical healings, restorations were taking place. So, you know, you see, in all of these ways, you see that the truth of God's Word, you know, it's being held on to, yeah, this is there in the Bible and God is moving in this manner and come on, we are going to hold on to what the Bible says. Then, of course, you know, 1905 Azusa Street revival and the Pentecostal movement and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and all that. So, even doctrine or the truth of God's Word regarding all these matters, it kind of, you know, started becoming firmer and firmer and many people were backing it up. So, you know, people to show their affirmation, they formed certain denominations and said, okay, we are going to believe in the baptism in the Holy Spirit. So, that's how it, you know, people were holding on to the doctrine. Now, how else have we seen doctrine being preserved in history? I think people have risen up. Like, the other day I was telling you about the Shepherding movement when things started going wrong in discipling. There were many leaders who stood up and said that this is not correct. This is not the kind of discipling that the Bible talks about. So, you know, we are, we are not going to identify with this particular movement. So, there have also been times where people have stood up when things have gone wrong and they have disassociated themselves with, you know, certain doctrines. Like, incidentally, we were talking about, you know, false apostles in my third year class as well. So, you know, we recently, not recently a few years ago, there was, there was a particular teaching that was coming to some parts of South India, which sounded so biblical. But then at the core of it, it's only recently that I found out that the so-called person who's preaching from the Bible and has hundreds and thousands of churches under him doesn't believe in salvation. He says, like, saved from what? Okay, but here is a person who's preaching from the Bible and who is, you know, propagating all kinds of teaching.  It's not biblical. Like, please don't attend the meetings.  You know, money is appearing and gold dust is appearing. Nothing wrong with the manifestations, but what is the core of it all? The person does not even believe in salvation, but calling themselves an apostle. So, how did, you know, contending this doctrine take place? Pastors, leaders unitedly stood up against the doctrine and they questioned and they even forbid this person from doing, holding their meetings. I think that's fantastic. You know, the unity of pastors to guard the doctrine is very, very important. When the core matters of our faith are questioned, you know, false apostles rising up, the unity of the body of Christ where everyone stands up and says, come on, you can't do this. This is not right. And we are calling you out. So, things like this have happened, Christopher. I'm just giving you, you know, examples from here and there. This is the way in which the body of Christ has stood up and I hope it continues to stand up. Does that help? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Great. Yes. So, nice. Good. You know, very practical questions Yola asking. And this is how we are understanding, you know, and clarifying our understanding of the apostolic. So, that's wonderful. Anything else? Maybe we can take up one more question before we wrap up today's class. All right. Okay. Great. So, okay. Abhishek says practically how to grow in the apostolic. So, yeah, so how to grow in the apostolic anointing is very similar. Abhishek to growing in any anointing, which is to pursue it, you know, you desire it to manifest through your life, have faith, because any anointing, any gift of the Holy Spirit is activated through faith. So, when we carry faith for that, just like prophetic, you know, when I have faith and I increase in faith, there will be a greater release of the prophetic gifts from my life through my life. So, in the same way, when my faith in the apostolic, what God is doing through the apostolic, it begins to increase, then there will be a greater manifestation of the apostolic through my life. So, desire it, increase in faith. And of course, you know, for everything to manifest, I have to step out. If I don't step out of the boat, and if I don't take the risk of walking on the water, I will never know that I can actually walk on the water. So, you have to step out of the boat and take the steps that God is urging you to take. So, that would be the three things I think I would say to practically grow in any anointing, also the apostolic. Okay, great. Wonderful. So, let's wrap up this morning's class. Next week, we have Good Friday on Friday. So, we'll just wait to hear what, yeah, I think it will be a day off for everyone. So, Thursday we will have the class and I'll see how best I can, if possible, I'll just kind of summarize all the following chapters and complete it. If not, we still have time, we can have some good discussions the following week as well. Okay, we'll see how, of course. Okay. So, can I request someone, anyone who's comfortable to please pray and close today's class? Some pray. Yes, yes, please. Oh, Heavenly Father, thank you for the good knowledge that you've taught us today. Vaja, it's my prayer that is going to change our lives, for your honor and glory.  I still trust in you the mighty name of the Son and Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, Kennedy. Thank you, everyone. God bless you.  We will meet again next week. Bye. Bye for now. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. God bless. Bye. Amen. Thank you.