Error. Ultra low latency. I don't know if you know, but this is an error. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, YouTube's angry. And the best part is, so we're live on YouTube. Hello, everyone. It's great to be live on YouTube with everyone. Yet again, I think I remembered to record. Hopefully, we were going, this was going to be the first show since, I think I did Technology Evangelist like 16 years ago. I might've done it at the beginning of Spacevidcast, I don't remember. But it's gonna be the first show where we recorded each individual microphone as its own audio track in logic directly out of the system. And I was gonna then be able to go back after the fact and correct all of the audio and do a bunch of cool things. Except that for whatever reason, the primary video encoder decided to take a nosedive today. So the computer I was going to use to do logic audio recording is now a computer that is running OBS to stream the show live. I know, I know, I'm using OBS. It's, that's how you know things have gone sideways when I'm using OBS to stream the show live. Yeah, all this incredible technology and we've got OBS. Well, it's even worse than that. I've got a old school from back in the day, Blackmagic Web Presenter. This is the one that doesn't have USB-C on it. This is the first gen unit, Hushnow. And the reason, yeah, the chatroom is starting to say, oh dear, the reason you're saying oh dear is because it maxes out at 720p. But OBS is set to 1080p. So it's going from, my current workflow is the cameras and everything in the studio are recording in 4K, 2160p. It is then scaling down to 720p on the Web Presenter. It is then scaling back up to 1080p and then going to YouTube where it is re-encoded for your viewing pleasure. So everything about this single chain makes me sad. My name is Jamie Higginbotham. I am the executive producer and creator of Tomorrow. I am the aerospace engineer of the group. I'm joined by, with, by, with four, Jaredhead. By with four, how? Absolutely. With absoluteness. And he is our aerospace enthusiast. He, no. Yeah, that's right. No, aerospace adjacent. Aerospace adjacent with you. Yeah, that works well. You work up at Griffith Observatory every time. Are you just going to be like Grangus Observatory? Griffith Observatory. And I had the pleasure of getting a tour from you a number of years ago, pre-COVID. Yes, just making sure I say it was off the clock. It wasn't? Yes. Oh, okay. And it was, it was amazing. Yeah. Like it was, I didn't learn anything, but it was like, it was really good. It was, I, you know, I bet it was very pretty. There were lots of pretty things all over the place. Lots of shiny things. No, actually I learned a ton. And your passion was infectious. It was really, really cool. Yeah. You were all, you were excited about astronomy for at least like, at least three days after it. Well, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't go three whole days.  Yeah. Like this doesn't, it doesn't get humanity to the stars. It doesn't advance the human race. And you're like, ah, ah, ah. That's how I literally ended up on tomorrow. Yeah, it is. It was because you pulled me in and was like, what's the point? Yeah. And I was like, well, here it is. Yeah. And you got me. Boom. I did both observatory. I did it a little better there. And then you also work at, and I can remember the title, Columbia Space Flight Memorial Center, LLC Incorporated. Columbia Memorial Space Center. Oh God, whatever. So. What is it? Columbia Memorial Space Center. Space Center. Yes. Cool. It's a neat place. It is a neat place. I don't like the name of the place, but the place itself is really, really cool. They got a lot of really neat toys, stuff to play with. You work over there and you're working on a giant, wooden lego kit. Yeah, I guess that's what we'll call the first space shuttle that we built, a giant wooden lego kit. I didn't notice. And I know that this went up on the screen earlier, but Harry Stranger said 720p, like a NASA broadcast then. Oh, ouch, ouch, ouch. Well, no, because I still have scaled it to 1080p before. I couldn't bring myself to bring it down to 720p. I'm also joined by Ryan Caten, who is the aerospace enthusiast. There you go. Still in school, I actually do want to ask you a question. So prior to coming on tomorrow, were you really only excited about SpaceX and Elon? Or were you excited about aerospace in general? Like prior to coming on the show, did Vulcan get you excited? Did the Space Launch System get you excited? Everything got me excited. I'm not just focused on SpaceX or whatever they decide. What's the word? Deciding to do, yeah. Yeah, I mean, there are some people who really don't care about the rest of the industry at all. They're really only interested in SpaceX and what Elon's doing. I wasn't sure. I certainly have my favorite, but I'm interested to see what everybody can do. I mean, it's obviously everyone's favorite. What's the most fun?  Is it? Yeah, definitely. It's required under space law, yeah. It's space law now. Is it? Is it though? No. I was about to say, I don't recall SpaceX mentioning cats and their webcasts and in their countdown. Did Rocket Lab, what did Rocket Lab do now? There's Astra. Astra did. Well, also Astra is exciting because they fly sideways and then forward. That's true. So they really do clear the pad and then go on the way. So I appreciate that. If there's ever a rocket that goes sideways off the launch mountain up, from here and after, no one is pulling an Astra. Okay. Right, like that's the thing. Or if you've got a rocket that basically goes down at the launch pad, that's called pulling a sea launch. Yes. I'm sorry, too soon. Or if somebody says, go inertial. But it's not even go inertial, it's go inertial. Quick, cut to the logo. I know. Quick, cut to the logo. Tell them exactly who did this. That was my favorite, yes, burn into their brain precisely who just failed at the launch pad. Like, explosion brought you by sea launch. Exactly what you shouldn't do. Anyhow, normally I start with Ryan. Because it is 107 in the morning for him right now. I can do math. Goodness. And we're not gonna do that. We're gonna do you second.  But Jared, there was a foggy full moon. Oh my gosh, yeah. Last night we had a full moon. I meant to say eclipse. I mean, who cares about a full moon? Oh yay, the thing you get to see normally. Full moons are nice. But it was foggy. Yeah, it was foggy. Yeah, last night we had a partial lunar eclipse, which was really cool. And if you were in North America and South America, you got to see the whole thing. Also Eastern Asia and a little bit of East Australia, if I remember correctly, also got to see it too. And if you're in the Pacific, if you just happened to be in the Pacific, you saw it as well. Or in our case, if you're up at Griffith Observatory, we saw it on and off for the entire night because we had fog. Yay. And what's really cool is that Griffith Observatory is at an altitude above the LA basin, which is right where the marine layer is. That must have been gorgeous. It was beautiful. And then the marine layer kicked up another 30 feet above us and just stayed there for the whole night. And we're kind of punching through clouds and hunting all night with that. And it was really great though, I gotta say. Speaking of marine layer, I'm not actually really allowed to talk about SpaceX, but oh my God, that launch with the marine layer at the Cape. Gorgeous. Been doing this for 10 years for him. I think this is the first time I've ever seen that. And as the sun was coming up, the cameras on the pad for the webcast are actually controllable by the webcast team. And so we have full aperture and shutter control. And so they were pulled back pretty far just because they were set for the mode of the time of day that the vehicle was gonna launch. So it was pretty dark. And so the sun's starting to come up and it looks like there's a problem in it because only half of the rocket is pitch black from here down and then you see the top part of the rocket on the screen and I'm like, oh no, we've lost one of our primary cameras. We're gonna have to use a different camera and then I start looking across the control room realizing, no, no, no, no camera has a shot above the middle of the rocket. And I was like, what is going on? I don't understand. It was gorgeous. It was so beautiful. It reminded me of that shot of the two shuttles with like all the fog. Yeah, I was gonna say there's that classic shot of Challenger making its way out to, I think it's LC 39A on the crawler heading out there. Yeah, it was beautiful. I think the shot leaving the pad, leaving that shot there, just staying on that shot. That was fantastic. Well, that's because, I think I tweeted this out, of the normal selection of cameras, we had three that could see the rocket because of the marine layer. That was it. There were three. And the only reason that particular camera could see it is because it's really high up and it was above the marine layer. Other than that, you'll notice there weren't very many shots that they were going to.  And I was like, well, just go to, we've never seen this before. Just go to the wide camera. It was so cool seeing the plumes of smoke come out of the marine layer. Oh my God, I loved it. That was beautiful. Oh yeah, Dada, here, here, this. It reminded me of that. Yeah, look at that. But again, in 10 years of doing this down at the Cape, I don't remember ever seeing this with Falcon. Maybe I'm crazy, but I just don't remember launching in a marine layer like that. It was so beautiful. I don't ever want to do it again. I have not ever seen a rocket launch in that kind of marine layer, like at least that low. So like obviously at Vandenberg. I was going to say, yes, you have. You've been to Vandenberg. Yeah, and I've heard a couple launches out of Vandenberg, but usually the marine layer here on the coast in Southern California is really thick. I mean, up at Griffith Observatory, we're at 1131 feet, which is a lot of meters. And I'm not going to try to do it again. That's your conversion. Oh, yeah, take that to air. What we got? Do it. Quality potato on that one. Done matter, done matter. Yeah. You get the idea. Dada, we are streaming in Glory 720p, I don't think. We're streaming in NASA PV Resolution. No one's going to notice the difference at this point. No, but we should be capturing at 4K if you press record. I did, but we don't use that capture for anything. So anyhow, yeah, cool. Yeah, so it's great. Sitting 345 meters above the LA basin. So there you go, I got it in. Yeah, it was just really cool to watch the progression through the night as the moon slowly slides into the spherical shadow of the Earth. As I said last week, forever striking fear in the hearts of flat Earthers. And yeah, it was really cool. Eventually, we reached a point where it just was like, the moon's so low in the sky now, we've got so much clouds to look through that unfortunately we're not gonna be able to really hang on to the moon for much longer. So eventually we were just like, that's it, unfortunately we're wrapping this up. Was there a crowd there? No, so we were not open to the public last night because of the time that it was at and then also the weather kind of played a factor into that. I don't understand because of the time. Because Griffith Park is not open to the public from 10 p.m. to sunrise. That makes sense for an observatory. Now I realize the observatory's located in the park, but like. Yeah, I know, you'd think that the observatory's open all night, right? Yeah, because like, interesting. How you do have the solar telescope, so. Yeah, yeah, but we are open till 10, which is a lot later than most museums would be open till. Sure, so you get a little bit of the night. You get like two hours of the night. Yeah, so if we have a, you know, if we're in a time period like we are right now where sunset happens pretty early in the day, we get a nice solid two and a half hours of observation with our telescopes, which the public are allowed to come up and look through our telescopes for free, so. So you didn't get a lot of sleep because of the eclipse? No, not at all. But you enjoyed it? Yes, it was great. Even though it's foggy. It was foggy, but there's something interesting about those, about the fog and the clouds and other things that kind of added a bit of drama into the night. Like, ooh, are we really gonna hold on to it for much longer? Is it gonna, oh, it's coming back. Yeah, there it is. Where'd it go? Where'd it go? Where'd it go? Oh, here it comes. Did you live stream it? We did. Yeah, we live streamed it. It was really fun. Right at the moment of maximum eclipse at 103 AM, Pacific Standard Time, we did our traditional chanting of Dragon Be Gone in order to scare the dragon away from consuming the moon. Because at Griffith Observatory, we consider ourselves defenders of the moon. So we have to protect the moon from the dragon every time the dragon comes and attempts to snatch the moon away from here. I want there to be a giant sign when you walk into Griffith that says defenders of the moon. I would be great, wouldn't it? I don't know where we would put that, but I would. Over the door. Over the main door is where that would go. Don't think our director will be big on that. I think that might ruin the look of the building, but also at the same time, I think we should figure out a place to put that somewhere. Dragon just wants to hug the moon. Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah, see, I also was like, oh man, you know, dragons always get a bad rap with things like that. But yeah, we had one of our coworkers dressed up as a dragon and holding a moon globe and then like a ton of my coworkers dressed up like wizards and chanted Dragon Be Gone until she handed the moon over and ran away. Tell me all of that was on the live stream. It was. Oh, that's fantastic. It was picture in picture, but it was there. That doesn't matter.  But yeah, longest partial eclipse in 600 years and it's gonna be a really long time. I think it was 500 years until we get another longer partial eclipse with that.  It was like 3% away. So if we were grading on a curve last night was a total lunar eclipse. So according to Daniel in our chat room, he says, all of the people I saw had intermittent views of it. I think that was kind of the... Yeah. Like it was fairly iffy everywhere, right? It seems like, yeah. It was cursed eclipse. Cursed eclipse. So yeah, something like that. And then this is totally off topic but interesting because I love Sierra Nevada. I mean, Sierra Space. Michael from the chat rooms. Well, you know, that's how I just know, that's how I know them, right? Cause I know them- Yeah, cause that's how they grew up. That's how they grew up. Right, exactly. But Sierra Space raised $1.4 billion on a $4.5 billion valuation. The dream is alive in all caps. Actually, I hadn't heard that. So I'm assuming that Michael is correct. But that's really cool. I'm a huge, huge fan of Dream Chaser which is built by Sierra Space. And I'm very eager to see it fly on Vulcan. Yeah, Vulcan. Pretty disservice of Vulcan. It will be on Vulcan. I'm really excited to see that. I think it's gonna be really, really cool. Yeah. It's gonna be really fun. I mean, that's the extent of that conversation of like, yay, Sierra Space, like, but at the same time, I'm excited for, I'm excited for the little miniature shuttle. Yeah. It's gonna be so cool. It's great. And isn't it in a payload fairing at the start? Yeah, I believe it is. You know, I think it is. I thought it was in a, yeah, because it has the foldy wings. The cargo version had the foldy wings. This stands for foldy wings when I do this. Foldy wings, right? Foldy wings. I thought the cargo version had foldy wings and the crew version did not. Isn't that correct? Like, the crew version does not fly. I'm not thinking about folding wings on the crew version. Yeah, I wanna say that the crew version did not fly in a fairing. It wasn't intended to be in a fairing.  And I don't think they're flying a crew. Well, so is the crew version. I don't think they're flying a crew version anytime soon. No, I think they're still pursuing it, but they're obviously dialing that back a lot. I mean, why wouldn't you? Which is another reason I love Sierra Spaces. Like, you know, for a long time, they didn't win any of the contracts. And they were like, okay, well. We're still gonna do it. We're still gonna do it as best we can, right? It's all about money. Oh, here we go from Alejandro. Oh, he's calling up images, but Sierra Space says the crew version is planned to debut in 2025 cross fingers. That means 2027. Yeah, something like that in aerospace. Yeah, everyone blames Elon. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Come on, it looks cool. I love it. Look at the little, how is that not just awesome? The HL 20 finally flies. It's so. I love it. Oh, did I make that a crack up at that one? I think you did. Okay, good. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, good. Chordled, I believe eternal. Anyhow, yeah. Oh, wow. The chat room is going, getting, so here's where it started. The chat room is getting a little bit salty on blue, which is, where did that start? Yeah, where did that start? Basically, someone said, Calm down. Talking about it, it doesn't matter. Yeah. All right, so did you have other, I wanna hand it over to Ryan, but did you have anything else you wanna talk about other than pretty moons?  Oh, yeah. We could also do that later. Yeah, let's talk to Ryan first, and then we'll come back to ASAT tests, which are such a great idea to do. They're the best thing that spaceflight has ever seen. Yeah, you know, you should do it near-habitated space stations or directly above them so that it rains debris down on the space station, I think that's a great idea. That's really smart. It's really smart. I don't know why more people aren't doing that. Exactly, yeah. I think you should definitely do it in an inclination that is inconvenient to everybody as well. You mean space station or the ASAT test? Cause like, space station is a weird- You make a fair point. You're gonna have some weird inclination like when you look at it. You know, you gotta keep Russia happy, so you gotta keep it at 51.6. That's pretty much it, yeah. Yeah, so high off. Yeah. Yeah. Ryan, what you got for us? What are you excited about for space this week? Elon's been twittering again, like he always does. Apparently. I'm not sure whether it's bad or good or what, but apparently Raptor isn't the future of the underside of Starship. We know Raptor 2's been coming for a while now. He's been talking about that before. I don't think we've actually seen one yet and apparently it's meant to be really good, but according to Elon Musk, Raptor 2 isn't gonna be the future of making humans multi-planetary. Something new is gonna be coming and that's pretty much all we've got and there's a lot of speculation going around about what that new engine might be. Yeah, and I mean, it's always, I don't wanna say it always feels like it comes out of nowhere when Elon's talking about things like that, but it always feels like you've got something well-established and we're good to go and we have the solid foundation and the frame of the house is being built and the next thing we know, there's a chainsaw just coming through, ripping everything to shreds and now instead of wood, we're gonna be using aluminum in order to build the house and then we'll continue on and we'll work that. Aluminium. Aluminium to build the house and then just kinda continuing on and then all of a sudden plasma cutter comes through and actually, no, we're gonna use titanium to build the house. It's just, always seems like there's just enough effort put into something and then it gets thrown away in favor of something else and that's just a very interesting way of going about things, so, but I guess if you have the money to do it, you can do it, so. Why not? So, I have a perspective about this and if you. We see a data. A wild data up here. Wave to the camera, data. Hi. Go ahead. In every company, what you don't see is all of the research and development and the time and energy that they spend on the ideas that eventually make it to the light of day and so every company does this. They've got some number of projects that they're working on and they'll put some money into it. They'll put some time into it and some of them will never be publicized but what we get from SpaceX is Elon's like stream of consciousness of what he thinks the company should be working on next. And I think that's probably what a lot of that is. That is an extremely valid thing. So, very well said, data. So, as always, data is good, data is wise. Well done, data. Bringing us back to earth. Hey, thanks. Yeah, you're welcome. So, wait, wait, hold on. Is that a compliment to data or are you insulting to bringing us back to earth? Like, we've got our, we're like, oh, let's go to the cosmos and data's like, no, back here on earth. No, data knows things. Data knows, that's the theme for the show. Data knows things. I know things and I push buttons. That's what I do. Data is push my buttons. Data is, wait a minute. Yeah, here we go. Data is incredibly knowledgeable. So, anytime data says something, I feel like you have to stop and listen and really take it in and that's why I am so glad that we have data. And yet I don't. Well, everything I say. As long as it's said well enough, you know, that can make it work really well. Yeah, Michael's saying composites to stainless steel made sense. Yeah, to save money, definitely in certain other aspects with that there with like cryogenics and other things. So, really. Cold carbon fiber isn't happy. Yeah, I think somebody earlier was asking about starship and electric propulsion, right? Oh, it was in the pre-show. Yeah, it's in the pre-show somewhere. I'll look it up and see. Okay. You keep going. Yeah, what's our thoughts on that? It's left the buffer of the chat room so we can't call it out. Gotcha.  Yeah, what's our thoughts on that with electric propulsion? I don't really know, to be honest. SpaceX always creates things from thin air sometimes, so we'll see if anything comes out of that. But electric propulsion at the moment, my opinion is I don't think so. Yeah, electric propulsion, I think a lot of people forget that electric propulsion requires a tremendous amount of energy in order to be generated so that you can run an electric propulsion engine, whether it be an ion engine or whatever you're gonna have with it there. That would be really cool to have that because then you could maybe do some sort of constant acceleration towards whichever target you're going to. And if you're doing Mars, maybe you shave a week or two off of that transit time just by doing that. But yeah, oh, actually, oh my goodness, a whole bunch of people in the chat room are bringing up something absolutely, entirely 100% valid if we could catch it here, which is that, let me push it so that everybody could see it. So yeah, Bob's saying Starlink uses electric propulsion on Alejandro saying that they already have an ion engine, see the Krypton engine. So yeah, they've got the experience there, I suppose, to make it kind of work that way. So that would be pretty cool. And it's just, even though Starlink and Starship both start with start, they are vastly different shaped vehicles with vastly different masses. Oh, that reminds me. Elon said that they weren't gonna call the new engine Raptor, right? So I would love to know in the comments below what you think they'll call it. Because he didn't say what it would be called, he was just like, it won't be Raptor. Yeah, someone in our chat room, I saw, proposed Barracuda. I like that one. That's pretty cool. Because everything has to start with Star now, I like the idea of Star Drive. That's not bad. That's not bad, right? I wouldn't say a Star, I know I get it, but if you have that Star in it, Star Drive is fine. Let me know what you think in the comments below. What would you call that engine? Oh my God, everybody's saying Sheba. So, or Sheba. Come on. Maddie does not like Star Drive. It's fine. Thanks chat room, I appreciate it. Boy, T-Rex. Thrusty Mcthrust face. Yeah, that's good. Flumper. Star chicken after Raptor, the chicken came. That's a very good point, Alejandro. So, yeah, right? Sure, yeah, right? So, sounds pretty good to me. So, I think one thing I sure, Nerva X. For those who don't know, that's the Nuclear Propulsion Test Article that basically had, we'll call it little miniature nuclear bombs that they would detonate and then it would push the vehicle up and they actually did, this is an actual engine that they tested. Like here on Earth, you can actually watch them detonate these little itty-bitty nuclear bombs and move this thing with little nuclear explosions in atmosphere. Yeah, as a part of Nerva, it's called Project Orion that they wanted to basically huge pusher, get that vehicle up to percentages of the speed of light and work with it that way. But I thought that was so funny that they wanted to do it in atmosphere. This is definitely before they had the idea of radiation and fallout and other stuff with it there. Alejandro is saying I'm wrong. It's too different and Nerva is different. What that means? Oh, you know what? I think Nerva may actually be running your fuel through to heat it. I thought Nerva was the nuclear program. I think. Or are they? Nerva is a nuclear program, but it's not the one you're thinking of. Okay, so I was thinking of Project Orion then? Yeah, I think Nerva is the one where- I merged my nuclear programs, is that what I did?  Got it, copy that, thank you. Thank you, chatroom, keeping me correct and honest. Yeah, I kind of want to make a project to Orion, little rocket. There's your Nerva. That would be really fun. Look at that, beauty. I think what is it, like 800 seconds of impulse, something like that? What? Ridiculous, so I want to say 800 seconds. Is that an ISP of 800? Let me look it up real quick. 841. That is a frightening ISP. That's a crazy number. Yeah, well they wanted to use it as a upper stage engine. You think? In Apollo, so I know there was some nuclear Apollo. There was some talk about having a nuclear Apollo and this is where it was gonna be at. This is where space shuttle broke us. Like I get it, it was such a beautiful vehicle but it set us back so far, all of these cool programs that got put on the back burner because of space shuttle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it goes, so that's a bummer. Has anybody ever thought about the fact that you can maybe look at what SpaceX is hiring, or the kind of people and jobs that SpaceX is hiring for and you can kind of speculate from there as to what may be coming down the pipeline? I mean, you could try, but I don't know what SpaceX has been hiring for. Okay, we can visit the website and check that out. Okay. Yeah, but not on air. I don't think we need to do that on air. I think we're okay. That sounds like a boring podcast. Jobs at SpaceX this week. People would watch that. I guarantee you people would watch that. How much money in a super chat do you think we could get from doing some? $100. Thousands. Maybe, yeah. I just went there and it says browse categories and there's a category called India. So I don't know whether we can discern anything from that. India? Bum, bum, bum. I have, actually, I have open job wrecks on there. Okay. I think I have two open right now. Cool, nice. Jamie, are you planning anything to do with nuclear propulsion? Maybe. Well, now you are, I think, now that you got all the efficiency from it. Man, that's gonna be really cool.  So hit, like, head over to SpaceX.com slash careers and check it out. You know, and actually that's a good point for everyone watching the show.  That's okay. SpaceX is hiring for one of everything, right? Like, you name it, they're probably hiring for it. So definitely SpaceX.com slash careers and see if you're, takes a lot to get a rocket off the ground. It takes finance, it takes food, it takes coffee, it takes, you know, it takes mechanics, it takes all of it. And if you're willing to relocate to Southern California, there's five or six other rocket companies in the general area as well. Yeah, but I'm promoting SpaceX right now because I have two job rex I need to fill. I understand. So I'm just subtly promoting my own job rex. I understand. You gotta get your own plug-in. I gotta get my plug-in, that's what's going on. That's what happens. You just gotta make sure that it works that way. So that's the way it goes, so, yeah. I was gonna say, you know. Views and opinions expressed on this show. Yeah, yeah, very much so for everybody. So, you know, we basically just talked over Ryan a whole lot, which is what we do. That's our MO here. Did you have more, Ryan, like? Well, we're Americans. It was just the Raptor stuff, although not the Raptor, the new engine things to talk about. Other than that, and the Starlink launch hasn't really been much. What'd you think the Starlink was? Were you watching it live? That is the most beautiful launch I've ever watched live, in my opinion.  So it was gorgeous. Take that rocket lab. So it was a me. Hey, arguably they have the most beautiful launch site of all of them. Hey, the Tagashima Space Center in Japan is beautiful as well. That is okay. That is really beautiful. And then Kodiak. Oh yeah, Kodiak. Yeah, that is very pretty. That's really pretty, but I don't think any of them truly compare to Rocket Labs New Zealand launch facility. They're like launching, like when they get some of those drone shots where they're showing the pad and like right by the cliff and you got the ocean right there. I like that it's by a cliff. It's like very precarious. So like, if there was like some sort of... It's the opposite of precarious. Like if there's a problem, it goes into the ocean. Yeah, but I mean, like I'm talking about... That's a recovery plan too. I feel like you could have like the... I felt like you could have the end of a James Bond movie there, you know? Like you could have James Bond and the villain fighting there as the rocket's counting down or something like that.  You know what that tracks too? Like all the Rocket Lab naming conventions and whatnot. Right? Right? I don't know how they named their missions, but I love that they named their missions. However they do it. What was the latest mission called? I can't even remember what it was called. You know, I'll be frank, I haven't been following the Rocket Lab launches very much. They actually, they just had one, right? And they recovered their first stage. There's something to do with insight. Yeah. Oh, I can't remember. I'm literally pulling it up right now. Someone bring up the little... It was like love at first insight, I think. Hey, do you need to launch from the ground to play? What's up? He said, do you need to launch from the ground to play? Does Virgin Orbit have funky names for their launches though? Yeah. Oh, well, what was the name of the last launch? I don't remember. Tubular Bell is part one. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, they do. They have fun. The upcoming one's called Above the Clouds. That tracks too for them. I don't know. It's not quite as funky and weird as Electron, but like, they're still playful and fun. It's based off of album titles produced by Virgin Records. Oh, of course it is. Mm-hmm. Yeah, of course it is. The promotion. That's right. So why not? Synergy. Synergistic. Synergistic vertical integration. It'd be even better if it was playing that album on the way up, right? Why not? I'm sure that they- I did that wrong. I suppose for them, it would be on the way up, right? That's right. Yeah, that's right. I think it's more, I think it's more, it's more that- What is it? No, I think it's- There's a little dip. I suppose it's more like on the way up. Anyone listening to the podcast is very confused right now. I was like, what are you talking about? No, it's on the way up. I think I got that right too, right? Because the plane goes to the left and the rocket goes to the right. I don't know. I think the plane goes to the right with the rocket goes straight. Oh, that would make more sense. It's a plane banked away. You don't want the rocket to bank. As opposed to the rocket saying, no, I'll get some banked out of this here. You just- Let me put a little roll in here today. You just see the TVC go hard over. Yeah, it's not Pegasus. It doesn't have a wing on it, you know? So it doesn't have like a weird, funky looking delta wing on it, so. Oh, you wanted what? Inclination? I promise I know how rockets work. I really do. I don't think your job requires that. No, it does. I swear to you, it does. I promise. Oh my gosh.  You get five points for that. Smoke scale says rocket roll is my favorite kind of music. Oh my gosh. Brilliant. Love it. You can almost say it's the final countdown. Morgan Rocket goes to the left, instant rod. Yep. Yep. Yeah, well, I would say if you're with launcher one, the one that they're doing, yeah, if it does go to the left, it's already traveling at airliner speeds. So that'll just, it'll break apart. So like we all laugh, we all laugh, but it's real. So. All right, so Ryan's down with this. I'm back to Ryan. No, no, no, Ryan said he was done. He wanted to talk about not raptor. I have pieces of a rocket that went left. Was that one of the rockets that we tried to put the patches on? No. No, okay. Cause we try, for those who don't know, we tried to fly patches from orbit 12 number of times, Lisa Stojanowski arranged this incredible thing. We were a payload on a rocket and it never made it to space. I think we were the unlucky charm. Yeah. And then they tried again and it failed again. It was, yeah. I think we got back a whole bunch of patches that had like severe scorch marks on them. It was pretty great. I want to say that we had patches that had flown just not to space. Fair, fair. And I was going to say speaking of patches, since I'm planning to go out to see the launch of double asteroid redirection test dart. You're not going to see it, Jared. Vandenberg. No. You're going to hear it. It'll be the most beautiful launch you've ever heard. I'm going to say, I'm just going to make a bold prediction right now, which is that it's going to be a good podcast. It's not going to be. The most beautiful launch you've ever heard. That's the podcast title. That's the name of my cover band. That's my virgin orbit cover band. Virgin records signed. Is that the title of the show? Virgin orbit cover band? I need to write that down. I don't know. So. Oh, oh, that reminds me. Your words, not mine. Really quickly and we'll get to your point. I'm sorry. I'm interrupting everyone in this episode because I'm drinking lots of caffeine. Use an opinions express on this show. Yeah, exactly. So I want to install the nightbot bot. Nightbot bot. But I need an admin or I need someone to help manage it. So I've got it linked to all of the channels, but I need someone who can just take it and run with it. So if you know what nightbot is, and if you're already in the system, let me know and I'll make you a manager. Jamie, J-A-M-I at tmro.tv. We'll make it go. I think it's really, I'm really excited because I want you, the community, while we're live to be able to vote on titles or suggest titles for the show and we will actually use that. Caffeinated Jamie is the name of my ska band. Oh my gosh. I love our community. I love our community.  What are these people doing in here? There's space is serious, space is serious, we're taking serious. Too funny going on here. Yeah. I guess ska is, what was that meme I saw once where you're talking about, oh, ska is the soundtrack. ska is the soundtrack of a 13 year old's mind when they hear they're getting free mozzarella sticks. I think about that. This is going off the track. Okay. So I interrupted you when you were talking, you were about to talk about Dart and how you're not going to see it at Vandenberg. I am going to see it.  And if you find me at Vandenberg, hopefully I will have my orange Jeep. If not, it will be difficult. Jared, we are in the season of Marine layer. No, it's not, it's not. We're about to have Santa Anna winds come through. It's going to dry everything out. I hope you're right, but I can tell you based on what I've seen, because I've got those up right now, you're not going to see anything. Okay. All right. We'll see who's, we'll see who's correct and then we'll talk about it. I already lost this bet at the Cape. So when the hang up, so what happened was we had the Starlink launch from Slick 40 and there was the Marine layer. And I, you know, I'm talking on comms. I'm like, well, we don't launch until after the sun rises.  And my counterpart at the Cape was like, Oh, no, it won't. It's not burning off till after eight a.m. And I'm like, yeah, well, because I was looking at Vandenberg. And I'm like, yeah, this is how Vandenberg works. And he's like, I'll, I'll bet you that this won't. And so I bet him.   Lost that bet. Yep. Yeah. So yeah, with, with the possibility there. Yeah. What's the wager? I don't know. What should we wager?  With mustard. Yeah. I haven't been able to find an RS. If anybody has an RS 25. We need to make you like an RS 25 cake. Something like that. And put like mustard on it, which is just frosting. Oh no, I'll take it with real mustard. No, I'm not that cruel. Well, I am to myself. So is this a dollar bet? The last time I bet a dollar on the show, it ended up costing me $20 and it went to Rocket Lab, which they then I framed and put up on a wall. That's excellent. That is correct. Yeah. Yeah. That's a real, that's a real thing that happened. Yeah. But yeah, I, yeah, let's do a dollar. All right. Dollar bet. I'm saying that it's going to be fogged out and you will not be able to see it. Like the camera, the cameras might be able to see it, but that's unlikely. You as a human at the launch site will not be able to see it. I'm going to say outright that it is going to be crystal clear. I'm predicting 20 to 30 mile visibility on the horizon. You're just taking yourself a hole, man. Jared, what time is the launch? 10, 22 p.m. or 10, 20, sometime after 10 p.m. What are we betting? Isn't that a dollar? A dollar. We're betting a dollar. We're betting a dollar. Yeah, it's just a dollar. Okay. There will be a ceremonial, Jamie won this bet session. Sure, if we need to. What if I win the bet though? No, that's not, there's no chance that that happens. So if you win the bet, yeah. If you win the bet, there will be a ceremony. Jamie was wrong on the show. It's going to be amazing, but yeah. Yeah. And then the other person gets to be mocked. Whoever loses gets to be mocked for the rest of that episode. Sure, that sounds perfectly fine. This sounds fun. Okay. We don't restrict our mocking to episode. You should know that right now. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think anybody knows about my secret weapons I have out at Vandenberg, so. A giant fan? Well, they're secrets, so I can't say anything, so. What is it? Fog?  Next thing you know, this is, the space force is going to be coming in and saying, hey, can you do that for us every time we have that going on? So, yeah. At least they can launch through it. That's true. Oh, that's true. Yeah, well, careful there. That's the microphone. Sound check. Yeah. Yeah, and I just don't know what vehicle I'm going to be in. I don't know at the moment, so. For what? For the launch. I don't know if I'm going to, I don't know if I'll be in my Jeep right now, because my Jeep is currently indisposed. So it's a Jeep, got it. Yes, it's doing exactly what it's doing. It's doing Jeep. Yeah, it's being a Jeep. And also, I realized that my Jeep was built in Italy as well, which is like double, like double badness with it, because it has an electrical issue, which as we know, the Italians invented electricity. So this is kind of how it goes with it there. All right. Yeah. So hopefully I will have. What's your other vehicle? I don't even know. I only know the orange Jeep. I currently do not know what my other vehicle will be at the moment. Maybe it'll be a monorail. It'll be great. Yeah, it would be fantastic. I heard those are loud though, so. Huh. Oh. Yeah. What else, what else do you have? So.  And if you find me, I'll give you a tomorrow patch. That's cool. An Orbit 12 patch. An Orbit 12 tomorrow patch, you'll get it in Orbit 14. So. That's how we fly. That's how we fly here. That's right. Also, I do want to point out for those of you who have video, look what Ryan did. Yeah. Isn't this awesome? Ryan is genius. Right? Continuation. He's just in a nice early, like, I think that's great. We got to fix the color a little bit, but I love it. So, based on this. I don't know how you, how he wrinkled MDF. That's. Based on this, if I can figure it out on my side, turning the TV on its side again, like we used to do with Space Mike, and then like giving him a position at the, it would look like he was at the table. Yeah. Wouldn't that be cool? Yeah. But you got to put my camera in at his degrees and I'm not sure whether the weight thing will like that. No, no, no, you would have to leave your camera as is because Duda needs to be able to do this during the show. And if you turn your camera, that one works. So what I have to do on my side is rotate your video 90 degrees and crop in on it and zoom in. Cause by the time the camera hits it, you're not going to be able to tell it's soft and horrible look. Like, you can't tell on camera, but in person, he looks terrible on this screen. There's like no color in the image and it's super like weird and white, but by the time it hits the lens, it actually looks pretty decent. Looks pretty close to the original. It's not too far off. We just need to, we just need to fix the color. A little bit. I realized why your color is wrong. Hold up. I'll do it in post-show. No, no, I'll do it in after dark. You know why? It's because that's back when we had the different color balance on the set. We flipped the color balance on the lights. Oh yeah. Right? Should I go for a spacewalk? If you want to go for a spacewalk, I'm going to go for a quick spacewalk. And then you were talking about dark, unless there's anything else on dark. Oh, we could narrate your spacewalk just like NASA does. We could be like, and now Jamie is moving out. We're going to do that in the live show, not in after dark. Why not? Let's do it right now. So all right, and Jamie is currently moving towards the airlock at 0145 universal time. And Jamie has exited the airlock. The very quick suit up. The spacewalk is underway currently. The ex, as we could see, the extra vehicular activity. Although it's breaking the illusion. There is some. We are having some issues with the extra vehicular activity. But currently, Jamie is working through those issues in order to make it happen. Would you look at that. It's a little bit better. It's a bit closer. Yeah. And as we can continue to see, with some extra movement around, Jamie is now getting to the get-aheads that we have going on for the end, towards the end of this. Is it better before? I think it's better before. Yeah, I'll leave that one white. Everybody likes your space suit. Space suit. Space suit. Space suit. Oh, that's perfect. It's a lot. There you go. All right, and Jamie has re-entered the airlock. And there's now back on station 204 after the longest extra vehicular activity we've had of 98 seconds. So I want to say, I think, what your YouTube membership goes towards are those rapid compression, decompression airlocks that we have on station. They are so fast. And it's amazing you can get through those and not get the bends. Exactly. It's really cool. And the helmetless space suits are also very expensive. Very. Yeah. I mean, it's a bit cheaper without. Look how much better that is. I think that's what it is. I think your picture was taken when the lights were like this. Yeah. Yeah. That must have been it. It's from, like, orbit 10 or something. Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah. His image is also scaled. You can see a replication of features on the planet. OK. I'll have to take your word for it. I did cheat on some of those. Anyhow. A little bit of cheating. What else have we got? Oh, you went into an MRI. And so this is not really space related. But tell us about magnets. Oh, yeah. So I had to get an MRI today, which was pretty cool. So I got to say. And yeah, what can I say other than it was a very interesting experience. I don't know how many of our viewers have had an MRI before, but it's magnetic resonance imaging. So that's what an MRI is. And basically, it uses spin polarization of your hydrogen atoms in your body to take images. What does it sound like? There is a YouTube video that I found. I don't know if it'll set off the algorithm, but I can. You're fine, because I think it'll show up as noise on YouTube. OK, I'll just play it. So I'll kind of do an impression of myself, I guess, while I'm sitting in the MRI machine. And yeah, it was definitely an interesting experience. They were like, are you claustrophobic? And I was like, well, if I'm claustrophobic, I shouldn't be in the line of work I'm in. So yeah. And I had a bug out button, too. So if I had to get out, I could push a button. And they would stop and pull me out and everything. But yeah, I'd say that inside of the machine was about the same amount of room that I would have in a really tiny tent, which is fine by me. I was able to handle it. But the thing I couldn't handle was the sounds, which are things like this. That is annoying. So imagine that for like 15 minutes. Oh, God. And that's exactly what I was dealing with today. And actually, that was driving me up a wall, was listening to. You know what? See, I was trying to think that way, too. I'm like, oh, I could dance to this. I'm thinking like, give these sounds to Tiesto, and you've got to hit. Well, I was joking that this is my least. My brain made techno noises, techno music out of it when I got one. And you know, I was searching a hard drive. My brain. No, no, that's not searching a hard drive. That is a crashing hard drive. That's the noise when you're like, I'm not getting my data back. That's also the noise that you're not getting your data back. But yeah, I was in there, and I was thinking, this is the worst Apex Twin album I've ever heard. And some other things like that. This is a really music themed.  And again, I'm just sitting there in this tube. Is that Fat Boy Slim? I don't remember. I just realized I did not write down the name of the show that we had come up with earlier. Train. Yeah. All right, cool. So sounds. But you know, I was like, I hear this and I'd be like, okay, are we doing like RTLS or a Fort once around? What are we doing here? Is that the master alarm? So somebody hit the master caution. But yeah, it was just a really interesting experience today. And it wasn't the- S-E-D-Ox. Yeah, S-E-D-Ox while I'm in there, yeah. We're definitely off script on this one. Yeah, definitely. And if I could recommend getting an MRI, I wouldn't. So I hope that's the only one I have to do in my life. Not because it was like too claustrophobic or anything in it, but I was just getting so annoyed at the sounds with it. They did give me earplugs. So one thing I didn't know about MRI machines is that they're like 120, 130 decibels. Oh, that's not good. So they gave back and forth your hearing. Serious earplugs for me. I bet they did, yeah. And it definitely felt like race cars when we like go to the Long Beach Grand Prix. But it wasn't like rocket loud. So I guess is how I would say it. So, but yeah, it was really loud. So yeah, I hope you enjoyed this ASMR MRI episode. I hit the wrong thing. So hang on, I even had to do a fact of that. And I love that it's in quotes, space show, really talking about random Jared MRI sounds. Yeah, it's, you know, here's the thing that people forget about space is it's all about humanity, right? Yeah. If we're not, if we're doing space just for the sake of going to space and it's all about the rockets and the engines, then what's the point? Just send up robots. Yeah, and also like you're gonna have to deal with people getting injured on long-term space flights. So how do you do an MRI in microgravity? Well, I feel like there's a lot of, well, like I said, they can radiate you somehow. Well, an MRI- Just go outside for a minute, but that's not an MRI. It's not an MRI.  That's radiation sickness. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, well an MRI is magnetic field. So, which I was told, the one I was sitting in was 15,000 times more powerful than the Earth's magnetic field. So, here's the question. It was just pretty wild to think about that. Well, hang on, so do you need a weaker MRI the further away from Earth's magnetosphere you are? I don't know, and I did not think to ask that question. Look at that, I just brought this back to space somehow. Yeah, because I was, it was about 45 minutes after I had woken up after four hours of sleep after being awake for almost 24 hours. So, yeah, I wasn't really thinking about that at that moment. I was just thinking, can we get this concert over? So, does anyone remember the name of the show? Like, I've already, I forgot to write it down. Virgin Launch Cover Band. Virgin, Virgin Orbit Cover Band. Yes. Band, thank you. Yeah, all right. I just thought it was cool. One of the safety things that showed me was a metal chair on a chain vertical pointing towards the, straight towards into the MRI machine. That actually sounds kinda cool. Yeah, it was pretty sick, I gotta say. They're like, yeah, this is why we don't have, this is why we don't allow people to have metal in here. Yeah, I bet. And I was like, oh, so the whole room's plastic. So, it's basically a room made in America, perfect. I wonder how the wiring in the wall works. I don't know. Or maybe just. I'm scared to ask. I'm sure it's shielded. Yeah, but it's gotta be a lot of shielding, right? Yeah. I mean, like, a lot. Just search MRI chair on the internet and you'll get all sorts of things stuck in MRIs. I bet. It's amazing. Terminators even, I've heard. Why don't we finish this off with, unless you have any other stories you wanted to talk about.  So, I can't give you all the details because Company X, but I thought you would all enjoy me failing.  So, I've got some new equipment that's going in. And in order to make this go, I had to pull out the old equipment. So I can't really go back, right? So, I waited for an opportunity time between launches to make this go. So I pulled out the old I put in the new. And the new requires a new type of cable. For the old equipment and for most of the equipment we use, it's just a BNC connection over coaxial cable. So, full size BNC, very easy to terminate, put the ends on each. So you custom cut the cable, you put the two ends on either side, done and done. I've done a billion of these, super simple. And had that been what I had done, there would be no store here. However, all of our new gear and everything in the video industry, much to my dismay, is moving to a new type of connection. Well, I'm saying new, but it's not that new. It's a type of connection called HD BNC, which is high density BNC. So they're much tinier. And the compression gear and all of the termination gear for it is different. As is how you have to strip the end of the cable off. And I had built a couple of test cables and everything worked great. And then somehow I misplaced my cable stripping tool. And no big deal, I have my old tool and like, you know, I'll rig it together to make it work. You got fingernails. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, right? So I'll make this work. And so I built a boatload of cables. Like you build half of the, you build half of the cable at a time.  So I built half of all the cables. And then I routed all of the cable up and over and it goes over racks. It looks beautiful. Everything's labeled. It's glorious. And then I start terminating the other side. And I don't get all of it. Cause you know, you kind of want to test as you go, right? So I got like a third of it down. I'm like, okay, well, this is enough for us to test. And exactly zero of my cables. I had a 100% failure rate at what I was doing. That's impressive. Yeah, I'm gonna say. Yeah, I thought so too. I figured at least one of them would work. Nope, not a single one of my cables work. And the best part is I have a small team of people. So normally I don't do cables, but my team is out doing far more important work, right? So I wasn't gonna pull them back to Hawthorne to build me some cables. That seemed crazy. I'm like, it's fine. I can do this. I've done this for decades. No, apparently I can't. Apparently I cannot. And so I have been up and dealing with my own mistake for a couple of days now in undoing bad cable termination, which I still can't actually fix because the reason it doesn't work is I lost the original cable cutting tool and the die that I have on the new tool, the distances are wrong. So no matter how hard I try, I cannot make that cable cutting tool work, which is why all of my cables are shorting out because it's off by just enough. It took me forever to figure that out too. I'm like, how did I fail at 100% of my cables? What's hilarious is that you've got like three inches that you need out of every cable to be able to fix that. Out of your nice termination and nice routing. No, no, hang on. I do actually account for that. So we do have service loops and everything. So I actually do have enough of a service loop on either side to redress all of the cables and rebuild everything. The only problem is now, the labels will be that much closer to the end. So the labels will be in the wrong spot. So what you're telling me is that you thought you were working in feet, but it was actually me. Yes, yes, that's exactly correct. That's exactly correct, gotcha. Yeah, gotcha. You wanna crash on Mars? This is how you crash on Mars. Yeah, so not exactly a space story, but I thought you guys would enjoy it. Like it happened at a space company and I failed and I know that the internet loves it when I fail. Especially when I fail epically at something I'm very good at. So yeah, there you go, that's my story. Like predictions of fog? I'm curious to see what happens. Like someone had mentioned in the chat room, fog is seasonal, which is true. Vandenberg is not always foggy and it usually is the summer. That is true too. Yeah, fog not so much, it's a crapshoot, it really is. It really is and like our weather has been weird and so frankly it's been foggy. It's gonna get hot this weekend because Santa Ana winds. I think it's gonna dry stuff out. I'm hoping, I'm really hoping that it does because one, I don't wanna give you a dollar and two, I don't wanna be Mocked on air? Mocked on air more than I already am. Well Jared, I will.  Yeah, I know, it's fine and that's why I'm here. Yeah, but what's the, do we wanna talk about the anti-satellite weapon death? Oh my God! As well. This show, we're gonna end on ASAT. Like we did MRIs and cables in the middle for no good reason. We've already lost two thirds of the people watching on demand. Well no, the old aerospace guys are still listening. All right, so no, they're not. They dumped out, Jared, they dumped out the moment they saw me. I thought y'all were gonna talk about space. Yep. So yeah, ASAT. Well it is all technically happening in space. So I know it happened and I know that the astronauts needed to, it was, what, huddle in a place so they had to secure, I forget. Shelter in place. Shelter in place, yeah. They had to be prepared for bad things to happen. Yeah, possible debris strikes. Right, because Russia basically, for those who don't know, Russia decided to blow up one of their own satellites in orbit and create a giant debris field of stuff moving at 22,000 kilometers. No, it's going faster. Right, because it was- I don't actually know that if it was- Was it a GT? No, it wouldn't have reached station already if it was GTO. No, so it was low-earth orbit. Yeah, it must have been. But it was in an orbit that was above the space station. I also wouldn't have been GTO, it would have been GEO. Like why would it be in a transfer orbit? Yeah, sorry. Again, I do know space. I promise I know how this works. So yeah, okay.  Again, right? Because this happened earlier with Russia, with the nadir module, just randomly- Oh, Nauka. Which one was it? I think it's Nauka. Okay, sure. Nauka or- The new one. The new module, the one that was just sent up there fired its thrusters twice now and put the station into a- A spin. Yeah. And then also they had a soyas MS-18, which was the one that brought the, or was going to take the film director and actress home. They tested the thrusters on it and they accidentally left them on for like a little bit longer than they should have. And they also spun the station again. Doing that. So- Russia are really great at this whole human spice wet thing. That's kinda- I wonder, they're just done with station. They're just trying to find ways to like reduce its serviceable life. Man, and it's also like, you know- Like drilling holes in it? Yeah, I was just about to bring that up, which is that, you know, somebody drilled a hole in the soyas. And I feel like that's not necessarily something worth noting in terms of like the big deal about that. I feel like Russia's reaction to that was the big deal in that, which is that Russia basically did not take responsibility and started blaming everyone else. Yeah, I mean, but that's what they normally do, isn't it? Well, I mean, hopefully not so, but at the same time. But historically, that's what they've done. Like that's just culturally, I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm like- No, I understand. So I mean, between that and kind of just, you know, making sort of, I don't want to say unsupportive remarks quite often, but just overall not really playing a team particularly well, I guess is how I would describe it. If this was an LED screen after that had happened, it would have been hilarious to have this like spinning. No, no, no, no, no, no.  Yeah, but yeah, it's just in, I feel like if we're gonna talk about Russia doing an anti-satellite test, we also have to talk about the fact that in 2007, China did an anti-satellite test, really shot down one of their weather satellites in a pretty high up there orbit. In 2008, the United States shot down one of our own satellites, NRO193, I think, or USA193, something like that. And then India shot down one of their satellites in 2019. So legitimately, I did not know that the US shot one of our own satellites. Yes. Do we have a debris plan for that? Or were we just like everyone else? Where we're like, oops, sorry. Well, what had happened? So it was a spy satellite, something that apparently didn't work in deployment of it, apparently. And the whole argument for shooting it with a missile and destroying it was that it has a big tank of hydrazine and we don't want the hydrazine to get anywhere because it could cover like two or three acres with toxic hydrazine and that's bad. Okay. So that's why we shot it down with a missile. What are we looking at there, Dada? Oh, right, how can I forget that? There was also a anti-satellite missile test. I think it was, I wanna say 1985 where they shot down a F-15 went into a zoom climb and then let go of a missile and that went up and it hit a solar observation satellite. It was back in 1985 though, I think I wanna say. Wow. Actually, I think that's not it. So yeah, it looks a little more like a flare than actually the missile itself. I've seen, there are photos out there of the missile coming off of the F-15, but yeah. Oh my God, Michael says, this is incredible. I did not realize it goes back this far. The first US anti-satellite weapon was tested in October of 1959. That's true. There's also, if I remember correctly, we also deployed a whole bunch of like needles up in space as well and they're in various orbits to kind of test stuff like that out with that, so. Are you talking about the needles that we wanted to fire down? Wait, what? Nevermind. Oh no, not like a rods from God kind of, not a kinetic bombardment kind of thing. No, it was just like a big. Was that ever more than a concept? Kinetic bombardment? I don't think anybody's attempted it. So, and I think you would get into a lot of trouble if you try to attempt it. That doesn't seem like a good idea. Yeah, I think that, I think. It seems like a terrible idea. I think that's under some, I want to say treaties or conventions that a lot of people have signed, which I mean, doesn't necessarily mean that it gets respected, but I would hope it would. So, and I guess that's kind of one of the interesting things in this, which is that anti-satellite tests, testing out those systems and generating orbital debris is just like tremendously bad. It is. It's not a good thing to do.  How long until this debris actually falls out of orbit? Cause it's gonna fall back down eventually. So this was, so because of the high altitude of this test is gonna take a bit of a while. I think Jonathan McDowell, who's one of the people I usually look at on Twitter for stuff like this, was estimating somewhere on the order of a couple decades for that debris to come back down. That is a hot minute. And a lot of that debris is also still in orbit above the altitude of the International Space Station, which means that at some point it will be coming down through the orbit of the International Space Station with that. That'll be fun to watch. Yeah, so, yeah, and it's just like... Will the majority of that be coming down through station after station is designated to be retired? Well... Which I know we keep pushing that data output. Don't know. So obviously, station is supposed to wrap up in 2030, but also with these private space stations and stuff starting to come online, you gotta think about that. Yeah, but I would assume the inclination of these private space stations would be in a different spot and maybe put... Well, probably not the altitude. They're probably gonna wanna still have it pretty low, right? They're gonna wanna have vehicle performance to be able to get to the station. Yeah, well, I think the thing about the Russian test specifically was the inclination or the angle relative to the equator that it was done at, which the satellite that it shot down was at 82 and a half degrees, which basically covers the entirety of the planet, which basically covers the entirety of just about every orbit you can do around the Earth. So I don't wanna say near sun synchronous, but it was definitely not a good orbit to go for with that. So very, very bad overall with that. Yeah, so the chat room is bringing up, they're basically saying, like Chris Radcliffe says, the Axiom station is going to start from space station and then split off, right? Yeah. And then X-Wood basically says, yeah, it's gonna use ISS part, so I don't think they'll change the inclination too much. But I mean, there's more than just Axiom from a space station standpoint trying to go up there. You've got, I mean, even on this show, we interviewed Gateway, although I don't know if Gateway's ever gonna be able to, it's all about money, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I didn't see, like they've got an interesting plan and like a bunch of cool stuff, but I didn't see them money.  But it's not just Axiom, and so. No, it's multiple, like with Orbital Reef and a whole bunch of other groups that are coming together. Was it Starlab? Or what is it? What's the one that Lockheed Martin are doing? I can't, and then Iraq's, I can't remember the name of it. Oh, I don't actually know. But yeah, and I mean, you also gotta think about the fact that China has a space station too, it's Yangon. Yes, they do. So, I haven't heard anything about whether they feel like they're being affected by it or not. James says yes to Starlab. Oh, thank you. So, but yeah, I mean, it's not, it wasn't just the United States that could potentially be affected by it or a international space station that would be affected by it. In the orbit that it's in, it's everybody. And also you gotta remember too that like there is going to be a lot more stuff going up as the years go on. Everybody's getting into the satellite mega constellation in business now. And having to dodge debris left and right is a good way to, one, lower how much fuel your satellites have, which inhibits the service life of them. And two, raises the possibility of a debris strike and then even more debris coming out. And then eventually, hopefully never, but Kessler syndrome, you know, literally saturating space to the point that you make a specific orbit entirely unusable because if you put something there, it's just gonna get ripped to shreds by all the debris. Which makes it worse. Yes. Alejandro has an interesting comment. There were two interesting comments I wanna bring up. Alejandro says, this is even going to affect Russia's own future unicorn station. A lot of people call it a unicorn station that they say they'll build and don't have funding for. Yeah. Just follow the money when it comes to aerospace, right? Like you have to have money. And Nate asks, I think a hilarious question, which is how will the debris affect station 204? The answer is, by the way, Nate, it will not affect station 204 at all. Yeah. Because, via KUAS, we're not orbiting Earth. No, that's not Earth. This is, we are not in low Earth orbit. We are in low. Calf. LCO, LCO, low calf, this is the planet calf. This is not Earth. Yeah. So it's a nice place. Nice place, yeah. It's got nice weather. I've always wanted to go there. What's really interesting about planet calf is the weather pattern never changes. Yeah. The clouds are always in this formation just like this. So that's why they built a launch site right where those clouds are at. You can't see it, but if you look closely, the planet is spinning underneath the clouds. Exactly. Exactly. Oh my gosh. Once again, riveting podcast content. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. Just killing it tonight. I feel like, I think we just hit the end of the show. This feels like we've concluded. Yeah, I feel like we've pretty much reached the bottom of this well. So a couple of notes. First off, I have to do the standard YouTuber thing. I need to ask you to subscribe and to like the video because we have to feed the algorithm. It's super important.   And that's why you hear it from so many different people online because it is woefully important. 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What did I do wrong to have to speak after Naomi? I'm here as the President of the National Union that represents thousands of workers in the oil and gas industry. And I'm here to say that we don't buy the irresponsible argument that there has to be a choice between jobs or the economy because we know there couldn't be both. So Canadians ought not to have to make those types of choices because it's fear mongering at its worst. So what is the march about? Jobs, justice, climate. So the issue of jobs, first of all, is not somehow to threaten the workers across the country that have jobs in this most valuable industry. But it's talking about how do we have a long-term sustainable strategy that leads to renewable energy. What's the strategy? How can we do it better? How do we do more value added to make sure that we reduce greenhouse gas and we have a strategy for the long-term of conversion? And then the whole issue of justice. There can't be justice in this debate unless we find solutions and work with the indigenous people around the world. Think of the casualties of a lack of a strategy globally. The global south, the innocent, the tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of families that are disrupted, people who are killed as a result of flooding and tsunamis. And there can't be any sort of a solution unless we have a plan on how we're going to deal with climate change. Because we understand that climate change is the issue of this generation and future generations. So we can't have a plan, a strategy, solutions. We can't have justice unless we get everybody in a room to deal with the key issue of today. And what I think about Canada's record internationally, it is a disaster. Think of Kyoto, the only country that originally signed to Kyoto in 2000 that walked away from the commitment. And then I want to talk about Copenhagen in 2012 where Harper made commitments as it related to greenhouse gas and the reductions. And here we are last week with the Minister of the Environment saying the commitments we made to have in place by 2020, we're now going to push off to 2030. We can't live in that type of a world. We need a commitment to the environment and it doesn't have to be at the expense of jobs. I want to commit to government yesterday in Ontario that made a commitment that they would change the shuttered coal plants and convert them to making solar panels. Those are the types of commitments and the type of strategy we need as we move forward. So this is about leadership. This is about choices. And I want to say once again, this can't be about the choice between jobs or the environment when we know that we can have it both. Thank you all very much.