Do you? Juicy your juicy today. We're back into a little video. It's called the top five unsolved mysteries of India. And we've solved them right now. Aliens. If you don't know what that's in reference to, you're probably better off. Yeah, you're probably already unsubscribed, so why are you here again? Yeah, why are you back?  Anyway, so yeah, this is just a, everyone loves a good mystery, and in India we have quite a few of them, top five mysteries which have puzzled the great minds and come poke a like. My favorite was the one you just tweeted where somebody said they're unsubscribing because of the review we did. It's like, okay, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna lie about what we think about a movie so that you stay subscribed.  I, one, don't care. Don't care. Two, why? Why are you telling me that? Why would I, you're just gonna get blocked. You know what it is. What? It's the same reason that like somebody starts talking to pick a fight. Yeah. They don't really want to fight. No. They're doing it to get the attention. Yeah. So it's funny. But so let's, hey, hey, hey, you obeyed the man. It's in Johnny. It looks like her. Oh. No, that's not. That's, that's the different. That's the dancing with the bee. What's the dancing with the bee that starts with the bee? Boy Scouts? No. We bragged to it, but I think that's what it was.  She does. It could have been Odysseus. Odysseus. Come in. Here we go. Ballet starts with the bee. Moron.  Oh, yeah. The land of Marvel, history and culture holds many great things inside. It's a collage. It does. It's led to many cultural differences, probably. Mycological stories and superstitions. Today we are going to discuss some of the strangest stories which might even appear beyond reasoning. Cool. Fun. She don't bring up aliens. Nice. That was good. So let's begin with most spooky one. Awesome. Lake of Skeleton Lake. In the Indian state of Uttarakhand, at 16,570 feet, there is a lake surrounded by rock, stew, glaciers and snow-clad mountains known as Rupakund Lake. What should be known for being a natural beauty is known for terrifying skeletons. What? These skeletons were first founded in 1942 by the British Forest Guard when the harsh summer started melting ice. At first, the skeletons were believed to be the remains of Japanese soldiers who were killed during the war. But the story takes a quick left turn and the theory got adjoined when later in 2004 it was discovered that the skeleton remains take back to 850 AD. Since then, several theories were suggested. The latest of them being that the skeletons of about 200 people discovered near the frozen lake belong to the people of 9th century Indian tribe who died due to hail storm. Hail storm? That could cause a wall? The puzzle of balancing Krishna's Butter Ball. Krishna's Butter Ball is a giant rock which is 20 feet high and 5 meter wide rock which weighs around 250 ton. Krishna's Butter Ball is that what she said? Yeah, that's cute. On less than a 4 feet base. Wow, why isn't it sliding now? The rock doesn't apply to it. The rock has become a major tourist attraction and visitors are amazed to see how such a majestic thing can stay stationary on a slope. It has remained unmoved by earthquake and cyclone for over 1200 years. However, in 1908 an attempt was made to remove the rock as people were afraid that one day it might roll down and destroy nearby homes. But all the efforts went in vain and the rock didn't even move an inch from its place. Till this date, no one has been able to describe the actual phenomena behind this and it challenges our modern science and technology with the question of how it is possible. I love stuff like that. The mystery of Jatinga bird suicides. What? Jatinga has a written story about a bird that witnesses a mass bird suicide in an early post-mortem. If you've seen the German series, Dark, you know what I'm talking about. That can be described as misty. During this time, a strange behavioral change is observed in the local and migratory birds. On dark, moonless nights, the birds in Jatinga suddenly become disturbed and disoriented between the hours of 6 to 9.30 pm. That's so specific. They fly and get drawn towards any substance which happens more than once and land on the ground with no attempt to fly again.  While the birds have known for committing suicide, it is usually the villagers who make the actual killing in this case. They believe the birds are restricted from the sky to terrorize them, so the villagers capture them with bamboo sticks and beat them to death. One of them suggesting that a combination of white algae beats them to death and fog leads to the disorientation of birds. Dang, that's crazy. Another truly describes it as a change in the magnetic quality of the underground water, causing the bird to forget the past. It's usually something magnetic. But none of them was ever to prove anything. That's crazy. Alien rock paintings of Charama. Aliens. In the town of Charama, in the tribal Bastha region of Chhattisgarh, very confusing and puzzling ancient rock paintings have been found in nearby caves. According to archaeologists J. R. Bhagat, who discovered them, these paintings depicts airy humanoids with no facial features. Another picture of flying this. Among several beliefs from the local, one is about Rohela people, the small-sized one who used to land from the sky in a round-shaped flying object and take away one or two persons of the village who never returned. According to Bhagat, the findings suggest that humans in prehistoric times may have been or imagined being from other planets which still create curiosity among people and researchers. Extensive research is needed for further findings. Chhattisgarh presently doesn't have any such experts who can give clarity on the subject. These rock paintings of aliens are said to be 10,000 years old and Chhattisgarh State Department of Archaeology and Culture has asked Indian space agency ISRO and the US space agency NASA to help them by doing proper research. The 500-year-old mummy of Lama Tenzin. In the remote Himalayan outpost region on the Tibetan border, a small village is located called Goen in Ispiti. Apart from its incredible beauty, the place is popular because of the 80 and ancient tradition of self-mummification. In the village, an ancient Buddhist monastery is situated that grows like an actual castle on the barren mountain. Inside the monastery, in its tiny single room, there's a 500-year-old mummy protected by only a thin sheet of glass. The mummy is said to be the remains of a 15th-century Buddhist monk named Sangha Tenzin. The mummy is remarkably well preserved with unbroken skin, with hair on the head, and teeth which are still visible through his open licks. In modern times, one can only imagine a mummy being dressed and displayed in museum beneath several layers of glass. What's the self-mummification? Still, in Goen Monastery, you can directly look at his darkened, taut skin as the mummy sits firmly with his fist around one leg and chin resting on his knee. Sangha Tenzin had been dead for more than 500 years, yet his body seems to live on. Did somebody throw some shades on him? So guys, these were the few strange and frightening stories which are believed to exist in the modern time in India. If you like the video, do share it with your friends and family. Yeah, that's one. What is self-mummification? That's crazy. Because my understanding of mummification is you remove everything through the nose, you move the brain through the nose. Well, yeah, it's preservation. It would be like self-mummification to me is as strange as self-cremation. How do you do that? You're dead. Interesting. Mummification happens after you're dead, unless self-mummification is, see, everybody, I'm going now and I'm going to wrap myself up and stick myself over here in the corner with my head on my knee. I guess it wouldn't be out of the question. I mean, if Niraj's character in that movie, he decided, I mean, at least at the time, he was going to kill himself or he was going to let himself die. So maybe I don't know what the things of the munk are, but yeah, that's if you know what that means. Yeah, it's never heard of self-mummification. And then the bird stag is, that's always crazy. Yeah. Did we really have to phrase it the way it was phrased? It did add for comic relief, but Oh, beat them.  You have to hit them several times. Do we really want the little kids thinking about that on a fine morning? Beat them to death. And does it technically mean they committed suicide? If everyone's running around beating them to death? I don't think so. So yeah, did it sound like that they get down on the ground and just decide they don't want to fly anymore? Yes.  I guess so. Yeah, apparently, whenever the moon is, what's it called? Not the full moon, but the new moon. When it's not visible. Waxing crescent. It's waxing crescent, just like your underwear. And it's cloudy, freaks them out. They don't know what to do. They're completely distraught, like most of us during the winter lockdown. And they decide, you know, let's screw it. I'm just, it's late. Before it gets too late, I'm just going to end it all. I'm not going to fly anymore. I'm just going to let where are those other guys that will come around and beat me to death? Because they know what happens. So they just all, it's a weird migratory thing. Like there's got to be some explanation for it. Magnetic things, some migration, some mating thing. I don't know. There's got to be a combination of the lunar connectivity causing something inside of them to do what they do. It's very, very interesting. Interesting. Yeah. And then I always love those rocks. So they're all around the world that are just, they're too massive to be staying where they are, or they're on the top of like some right pointy thing.  Yeah. I always, especially since some of them are like big tourist dragons, I always wonder like, do people actually come in and secure them? So they don't? Because if they do drop, there goes your tourist attraction. Your tourist attraction. Yeah, it's true. I'm a cynic. I was assumed there's a reason this is still here. Yes, this would probably be gone if not for humans. And Rhys versa, this is gone because of humans. We tried to remove it. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Yeah, that was cool. I was like mysteries. Mysteries are fun. And let's close with the aliens, shall we? Yeah. No, see, the problem with that last video was I was upset that they were giving credit to the aliens definitively. And I was like, no, there's probably some smart people back in the day that did this. That's what I was saying. Yes. For some reason, everybody got mad at me for that. I was like, I think you should give the people that built it credit. Right. Not aliens. Right. Regardless, you're already unsubscribed. I don't know why I'm talking to you. Anyways, let us know what other videos should react to down below. Thank you.


arlier the transition from sacrifice to victim hood to frame this conversation. So how is it that America has become so narcissistic and you talked about Trump, for instance. Also the DSM doubling in size pathologizing everything. So if you pathologize more and more things like caffeine or internet addiction. You have to consider the profit motive in America. So to get rich you make people feel like victims of a pathology and if they feel like victims they become narcissistic so it becomes this sort of feedback loop and spinning off the rails snowballing down a hill. So yeah, how did America become so narcissistic. Activism is warfare by other means. Social justice activism, social, they also call themselves social justice warriors. It's a war. Now, it's a war about which has to do with what, what is the goal of this. What is the raison d'etre, a redistribution of resources. So we have official redistribution of resources is called the tax system taxation, redistribution of wealth. It's even called redistributive justice. It might be an oxymoron, but okay. We have redistribution which is institutionalized. But now people want to redistribute everything, not only money, not even mainly money. They want to redistribute power. They want to redistribute access, including bodily access, which is the core engine of me too. They want to redistribute institutions. So there's defund the police or redefine the police or whatever. So everything is up for grabs. The elites, if you ask me, are very uncomfortable with what's happening. Is there such a thing as the elites? Of course there is such a thing as the elites. They don't meet in secretive, in secret, in Bilderberg or World Forum, that's right wing nonsense. There's no new world order and there's no forthcoming great reset. There's again conspiratorial hogwash coupled with mental illness, QAnon and all these. But the elites do exist. Rich people think alike and they have the same interests. It's as simple as that. So the elites are terrified. I am not only speculating. I have actually served most of my life as advisor to very rich people all over the world. There's not exactly speculation. This is first hand experience. They are a bit terrified of what's happening. So they multiply the tools of social control. You've mentioned the DSM. Yes, it's about profit making. It's about reimbursing therapists, insurance industry. It's about pharmacological, pharmacological industry. It's all true. But over and above everything, it's a tool for social control. The elites are doing, engaging in two processes which allow them to control the masses. For now, I don't think they're going to succeed in the long term. I think a revolution is coming. But for now, it allows them to control the masses. Two processes, pathologize and criminalize. Pathologize everything and criminalize every behavior. Absolutely every behavior. Criminalize. So we had a situation where the DSM didn't double. It went up 10 times. The DSM used to be 102 pages in 1952. It is 1180 pages today. The DSM. If you go through the pages of the DSM, I think there are only two normal healthy people in the world left. And that's because they've never met the psychiatrists. Similarly, the tax code in 1920, the tax code was about 100 pages. The tax code today in the United States, I'm talking, is 97,000 pages. The criminal code went up 11 times. Double, I mean, multiplied by 11. Factor of 11.   Now I'm not saying there's a conspiracy to arrest, for example, Russell Brown. But I'm saying I'm quoting Elon Musk, not one of my favorites. I don't hold him in high regard, but I am quoting him when he said, well, it's, I don't know if it's urgent, but it's convenient. These are tools. Similarly in the USSR, when you became a dissident, when you disputed the authority of the Communist Party, you were diagnosed by a psychiatrist and confined to a mental asylum. That's the USSR, not the United States. Make no mistake about it. Pathologize and criminalize are the two strategies of the elites to control the masses. They're not going to work for long because they require consensus. For example, the criminal code reflects a societal consensus. What if we were to say tomorrow, we reject the criminal code?  We're not going to abide by it, which is what happened during the COVID pandemic. When people rejected the law, law is only as strong and as good as the, as the consensus in society. And this consensus is freeing. And ironically, it's freeing because everyone feels like a victim.  Or even in society, or even in any collective. You know what's the first thing that happens to real victims, real ones. Women who have been really raped. Not the ones who are lying about rape, but the ones who've been really raped. Women who've been really abused, domestic. Do you know what happens in the first thing that happens to them? They lose most of their empathy. Again, politically incorrect, but factual. Victims are less empathic, a lot less empathic. They become very selfish. They come think about collectives. They neglect their families, their children, they divorce.  Each one, each one is on his own. Each person, you know, we have fragmented and atomized society with victimhood. And this is the irony of the situation. The elites are going to lose. And there is going to be a mass revolution, I'm sure of it. Precisely because of the victimhood movements that have rendered the social fabric. If I'm a victim, why would I support a state that enabled my victimhood and empowered my abuser? Why?  I think many black people are saying this. Why would I support a system that has enabled slavery for like 300 years? And then until the 1960s, turned a blind eye to Jim Crow. And now he's using the police to kill me. Why would I support such a thing? So Sam, if we don't have a shared sense of reality to base a collective on per se, you've talked about how it's don't participate in democracies. And what kind of advice do you have for us? Because we're looking at two existential threats as I see it. One presented by the left through woke-ism and the right through Trump. So I feel as though I'm staring down the barrel, you know, looking at crosshairs here. You know, people like January 6, we've talked about the insurrection. I think of it as an insurrection, not just a riot gone awry. And see, we can't even agree on that shared reality either in this country. What kind of advice do you have for us as Americans as we look at the 2024 election? If you look, if you look to history, victimhood movement always led to an apocalypse. I can't recall offhand of a single counter example. All victimhood movements led to an apocalypse.  So it seems you need to go through the rabbit hole. You need to experience an apocalypse. Apocalypse is what Schumpeter Schumpeter called creative destruction. It says it's like ground zero after 9 11. You know, you can rebuild. You need to go through this disaster. The victimhood movements must culminate. And Trump is a victimhood movement. I'm not making this distinction. The victimhood movement, the victimhood movement left and right must culminate, must clash, must obliterate each other and the whole social fabric and state institutions in the process. This is what happened in Nazi Germany. That's what happened in communist Russia. That's what happened in communist China. That's what this is inevitable. I don't think you can avoid this. I think January 6 was the first convulsion, the first gasp. By no means is it the end of anything. It's the beginning. It's absolutely the beginning. I think the situation on the left is getting worse by the day. In the sense that the left is grasping at straws and the only straw it has is victimhood. And so it is co-opting victimhood. It is institutionalizing victimhood. It is using victimhood as a form, as an oppressive tool. It is using other social control tools such as the DSM, such as the criminal code, such as the tax code, using them in cahoots and in conjunction with victimhood. So the left is defining itself via oppressive victimhood and the right is defining itself via violent victimhood. There's no good ending to this story. Never has been throughout human history. Same with Rome. Same with Rome in the second and third centuries before the barbarian invasions. The same. There were victimhood movements. Spartacus, you heard of Spartacus? It was a victimhood movement. So humans go through this. As you build structures, as you build nation states and you build institutions, there is injustice perpetrated. We all human. We make mistakes. We're all human, you know? We need to accept our humanity and victimhood movements do not accept the other's humanity. They say, what's the main message of a victimhood movement? You should have never committed injustice. You should have never discriminated against me. But committing injustice and discriminating. These are human foibles and human flaws. We're all human. We learn. That's the meaning of learning. From less to more. From worse to better. That's learning. Victimhood movements say, you should have been fully formed from the very beginning. We don't allow you any space for mistakes, a learning process, a learning curve, trial and error. You know, we don't allow this. You need to be punished for having done all this. Even if you were an adolescent, for example, and you were fumbling with sex, you would still be accused of sexual assault. Because you should have known better than to touch this girl non-consensual. So there is this fantastic ideal view of humanity that everything should be penalized. That's the oppressive nature of leftist victimhood ideology. Everything should be penalized. So I don't think there will be any forgiveness and any mercy and any pity. You don't need to look further than the communist revolution in Russia. There's no victimhood movements, ironically, come from suffering. But the main dream is to inflict suffering. This is the wet dream of victimhood movements. I'm going to torture my abuser.  I'm going to take all his property. I'm going to, if possible, decapitate him, hang him or something. These are aggressive movements. Victimhood is also driven by what we call negative affectivity, anger, envy. We're neglecting the role of envy in victimhood movements. It's a major drive for victimhood movements. So I don't see any good ending. I think the United States is on the precipice and the European Union. Because states and institutions perpetrate injustice and discrimination because they are human. That's what humans do. So they will always generate victims. Wherever there's an institution, there's a victim. Ask men about family courts. Any men will tell you, I'm a victim of the family court. Period.  Always. Someone's interest is served. Someone's interest is hindered, obstructed. That's life. So the only solution in the eyes of victimhood movements is to destroy all institutions. And here I come to an insight which is much neglected. Victimhood movements are anarchic. They're forms of anarchy. They don't want to truly reform anything. They want to punish and destroy. Exactly like right wing victimhood movements. Both left wing and right wing are focused on destruction. Out with the old, drain the swamp. Out with the old, in with the new. Believing stupidly, counterfactually, that new institutions will not create new victims will never happen. But yeah, the United States will go through its own Reichstag fire and its own possibly concentration camps and its own militias fighting each other in its own. Balkanization and Lebanon, Lebanon organization. I don't think it's evitable. I think it's ineluctable. I think the same is beginning to happen in the European Union with the pressure of the war in Ukraine and so on so forth. Today, a pro Russian government was elected in Slovakia. It's starting. It's starting there. The fracturing of the European Union. And it's all based on victim. In Slovakia, the government was elected is pro Russian government, anti Ukrainian government was elected because of a victimhood movement. FICO is a, there's a victimhood movement there that the Ukrainians victimize the local Slovaks and so on so forth. So I'm not optimistic in the short term. I'm more optimistic in the long run. But you have to go through this. Can you talk about the overlap between narcissistic abuse and totalitarianism. Obviously a common denominator is control. The narcissist is a cult leader and creates a cult, whether the cult is a two member cult or 20 member cult or 40 million member cult, alluding to someone with an orange hair. It's still a cult. So totalitarian regimes are cults rate large and gun or I the cult. There's a we versus day mentality. There is a hermetic space of thinking. Critical thinking is discouraged and analysis is discouraged and so on so forth. There is their repressive and oppressive measures punitive codes and so on so forth. Totalitarian regimes therefore are narcissistic, all totalitarian regimes are narcissistic. And therefore whatever they do is by definition narcissistic abuse. And it involves falsification of reality and its replacement with a fantasy. Whatever the fantasy maybe oppression and repression including via violent means control, which borders on micro management. Distrust pervasive distrust between the authorities and the population and vice versa. Exploitation transfer of resources and asymmetrical way to go into it. Some other, some other interview maybe in so on so forth. So if you look at a microcosm, which is a narcissist and his wife, you're likely to learn everything you need to learn about Nazi Germany and communist Russia and Cuba and what have you. Everything you need to learn identical. One more comment. I'm sorry that renders narcissistic abuse a political issue. It's not necessarily only an individual issue. Because ultimately, the polity the body politic is comprised of individuals and households. And the more prevalent an incident narcissism is the more of these cells would be narcissistic. If you have a body where 40% of the cells are infected narcissistic, then the body would become narcissistic. If 40% of the population of the United States qualify as subclinical narcissists. The United States will end up as a totalitarian country. Because this is the political manifestation of narcissism. It starts, it starts at the bottom it's a grasp narcissism is a grassroots movement. And narcissists of course, consider themselves victims. Ask any narcissist. There's no exception. All narcissists are victims. They always present themselves as victims. They underappreciated at work, or the wife to call the property, or I don't know what they're always a victim. There's a confluence between narcissism and victim and infection of the body politic from the grassroots level. I'm so glad you said the grass roots level because there's so much emphasis placed on the elite as though the pressure cooker is from the top down but if you study totalitarianism it's from the bottom up and then the elite sort of mirror. Yeah. Speaking of existential threats, you've, I'm going to segue a little bit here. You said that the gender wars are more of an existential threat than even climate change. Can you expound on that. Climate change is one of them. One of the biggest tragedy comedies I've ever witnessed and I'm not a young man, you may have noticed. And it's the greatest tragic comedy I've ever witnessed. I am not a climate change denier. There's absolutely no doubt of my in my mind, not even a zero one percent. That is real. Absolutely real. I think the most extreme scenarios are going to happen much faster than we think. That's not the issue. The issue is our response to climate change. We're responding again via the victimhood lens. The planet is a victim that imposes on us obligations to remedy the situation. Here's the breaking news. There is nothing we can do about climate change. It's not only too late, but it requires sacrifices that no one is willing to make on the country level on societal level and on the individual level. I am not willing to do anything to prevent climate change. Period.  I'm going to use air conditioning. I'm going to drive with my car. I'm going to do everything as I always did and always will do. And that is the vast majority of the population.  So rather than pretend that the planet is a victim and we are the white knights, the saviors, the healers and the rescuers of mental health pathology, well recognized by the way. Rather than do this, why not say climate change is a fact? Let us adapt to it. What do we need to do to survive with climate change? That is reality based evidence based thinking. Our current reaction to climate change is a fantasy defense. Why is it a fantasy defense? Because it is not based on reality and can never ever be based on reality. Period. There's nothing we can do to prevent or reverse or remedy climate change. That is reality. Now live with it. Adapt to it. That's what mature adults do. But we are not reacting like as mature adults. We are reacting as people with delusional disorders. Let's say example of climate change. I'm sorry you got me on a rant and I forgot your question. I was talking about existential threats, whether it's gender wars or climate change. Climate change is not and will never be an existential threat. We will move our cities inwards. Some countries will become tourist destinations like Sweden. Some countries will bake as they've always done. Climate change is not an existential threat. It will impose a heavy toll on our resources and ingenuity. But we're going to solve it. We're going to coexist with climate change and here's something shocking. We're going to benefit from climate change. Climate change is a redistribution and reallocation of resources on a global level. Some countries will benefit. Some countries will not. That's the way it's always been in the last ice age, for example. That's it. That's reality. Not so gender wars.  If men hate women and women hate men. If women regard men as potential rapists, one and all. And men regard women as manipulative liars, one and all. If they wage war through the legal system. If they refuse to collaborate, for example, on making children and forming families. That is an existential threat. Already in about 40% of the world, we are under the replacement rate.  Now you could say, but we don't need more people. We have 8.1 billion people on this planet. Yes, but of the wrong age. In industrialized societies, 26% of people are above the age of 65. Actually, we are missing 80 million children. If we take into account only the looming pension crisis. That is only pension. If you take into account infrastructure and other things, we are missing 300 million children. We need 300 million children. But who's going to make the children? If men and women refuse to collaborate in forming families and so on. And when we do make children, look at the results, the children are mentally ill. Depression went up quintupled. Depression quintupled. Anxiety disorder tripled. Suicide rates among youngsters is up 48% in the last decade. Because men and women don't collaborate. We need men and women to continue as a species. We don't need a specific temperature to continue as a species. I have no doubt that if a temperature goes up another 5 degrees, it's going to be mighty inconvenient, but we're going to survive. I do have a doubt, however, that if gender relations continue the way they are now, we will survive as a species. I have a grave doubt about it. And it's not getting better because of victimhood. Women and men have adopted the victimhood narrative. Women are men's victims and men are women's victims. So when you are someone's victim, what incentive do you have to compromise, negotiate, form a consensus? You're demonizing the other. The other is an enemy. We call it in psychology a persecutory object. You don't negotiate with enemies, you vanquish enemies. And so this filters down. If you think that gender wars are limited to the bedroom, you would be very wrong. Because, for example, in workplaces, 57% of men refuse to work with women.  And 40% of women. This in itself is a shocking number. The overwhelming vast majority of teenage boys are afraid to approach teenage girls. For the same reason, the middle woman. That's overwhelming majority. They are afraid to approach teenage girls. In the United Kingdom, love bombing has been criminalized by the prosecution service. Love bombing is when on a first and second date, I offer you marriage. And I'm planning our future and a bio flowers.  Okay, it's manipulative. It's laughable if you ask me. But it's not criminal. And yet they're criminalizing. We are criminalizing and we have criminalized flirting. And every other known form of interaction between men and we're well into the bedroom and the minutest prurient details of the sex. Everything is criminalizing stigmatized, if not criminalized. I don't know if you want to comment on sensoriousness and the uptick there and you know you're talking about these control tactics from a lot of different angles. But, you know, also speaking of the consummate victim, Trump. Why, why does he self implode, you know, under all these legal battles, what have you. Can you help us understand what you mean self implode. Everything falling apart he's self negating, you know, and he brings this upon himself, all these legal is living in Iowa by 30 points. Yeah, it's well, we know that narcissism is a paradox. So he's with a child and a tyrant and all of this. So, you know, authoritarian. It's just, you know, it always feel like the ball towards towards self. I have a bit of a different view. Okay. Okay, I think to some extent he's engineering his troubles, because they are the ticket. It's a victim hood. Okay, it all comes full circle. It renders him the alpha victim, the apex victims. I've been thinking lately he's going to win. This, all these prosecutions are the guarantee that he may win the, the primaries and not talking about the elections, the primaries, the Republican primaries. I'm almost convinced that this, because he was losing momentum before the prosecution. He was losing momentum and people were talking about the Santis and this and that he was losing momentum and suddenly all these prosecutions is, I mean, the others are, I don't know why they're bothering to debate. I mean, it's a waste of everyone's time. These are, these are great news, the more the better. Bring them on these prosecutions. I've never been more of a victim than I am now. So, what's the ticket victimhood victimhood. What did I say before, the confluence of victimhood and politics. It's an enormous risk because you have the levels of power. You have the red button, you know, if this is terrifying, it's absolutely terrifying. North Korea engages in victim victimhood narrative. Many Western countries are on the way to North Korea. That's what they don't realize. They think if they have a parliament or Congress or whatever, they are not North Korea. But North Korea is a country founded on a victimhood narrative. To this very day, North Koreans present themselves that interpret their history and manufacture missiles, nuclear missiles, because they are perpetual victims. So, you want to see the future look to North Korea. There's been increase of crime in America. Just overall decline degradation lately in Oakland, California and Philadelphia. The Apple store was ransacked and looted. People are talking about it more. Also extreme environmental activism, you know, throwing soup at Van Gogh paintings, what have you. Gluing your hands. Do you think that this is all an expression of narcissism and or victimhood ideology. You recall that when we were much younger you and me, I mentioned, I mentioned competitive victim. You need to be noticed. You need to become ostentatious and you need to escalate your ostentatiousness because the competition is wild and multiplies by the day. So like, you're competing with two billion other victims. What's going to put you on the map. If you, if you are competing for resources, you need to be on the map. This question of resources, there's a lot of money in victim, a lot of money sloshing around victim.  There's a lot of money there.  Everyone is doing the same thing. Everyone is saying the same thing. They're all singing from the same book, you know, they're all on the same page. They're boring. So boring. So you need to, I don't know, glue your hands or spit on Van Gogh or I don't know. I mean, you need to do something outrageous and controversial, which would gain you media coverage. That is Donald Trump's secret. That is the genius of Donald Trump. And that he always does the outrageous and controversial thing and gains media exposure free media exposure and a lot of victim would dollars. Everyone wants to be Donald Trump nowadays is the role model, the one and only role model. So we should probably start to wind down this conversation. I did want to close out mentioning that I've been a contributor on taxonomy for Michael Schellenberger and Peter Bogosian mapping cluster B psychopathology to woke ism. And of course, it's all been inspired by your work and you're an advisor on this project as well. So that's coming down the pipeline. Shortly. So I wanted to highlight that wonderful classification system. Really wonderful. I'm a very blunt type. I know you don't blow smoke.  You're bringing forward in your work and it's truly an honor to speak with you today and to gain your insights.  Thank you for your commitment to the truth. Thank you for having me for resolving the issue of the recording. Thank you. Thank you. See you again. Bye bye. Bye bye.  Professor back and thank you a lot for agreeing for this interview and you are you are a pioneer on the topic of narcissism and you explain on recent interview that you interest for the topic came from your personal experience. So my first question would be, would you say that on this topic of narcissism it takes one to know one. No, I wouldn't say that at all. It's no more relevant than, for example, an oncologist who has cancer. So yes, properly qualified and trained diagnostician is capable of diagnosing the narcissist within one or two sessions. It does involve, however, personal interaction with the narcissist. So we don't have efficacious tests. We have the narcissistic personality inventory, the MPI several others, but they're not very efficient. And what is even worse, they rely on honest self reporting by the narcissist, which I find very common. So it takes it takes a personal session talking to the narcissist structured interviews, a lot of work, a lot of effort to pierce through the defenses, but it's done it's doable can be done. However, it is true that because I have narcissistic personality disorder, I am able to identify other narcissists much faster and without any of these diagnostic tools. It's like we signal each other. I heard of a similar thing among gay people. It seems that people who suffer from social exclusion or are socially in apt or have problem with social cues, autistic people, gay people, narcissists, even psychopaths, they're able to identify themselves to each other very, very fast. And how would you say that your journey on this topic for yourself helped you on your knowledge and on thinking of narcissism? No, most of my work, most of my work is based on the largest database of narcissists in the world. It has 2132 as of this morning. Another one joined.  They must present a certificate by their therapist or diagnostician. Then they're included and there's a follow up this follow up every one year, every year. So right now we have well over 1.1 billion data points in the database, which is makes it the biggest by far. So most of my work is based on this. But some of it involves introspection introspection used to be a very respectable tool in early psychology. All the big names in psychology at the time introspective and describe their outcomes. But it has fallen out of favor as psychology tries to become a science as psychology tries to emulate physics. Narcissism is now put on statistics and scientific experimentation and you're not allowed to introspect. That's a bad way of doing psychology. Psychology is of course a pseudoscience. It's a pseudoscience. It can never be a science, but it has pretensions to science and there's a lot of money involved. So they exclude introspection introspection constitutes about 10% of my work 90% is a database. And the question of narcissism in the medias in the university field looks like it is more pregnant nowadays that it used to be. Do you think that the era is more prone to the search of narcissistic personalities or that we just focus on them more? Well, several, several trends are at play. First of all, we are much more aware of narcissism and it doesn't have to be this ordered narcissism doesn't have to be the sick pathological variant of narcissism. It could be just narcissistic style or narcissistic personality or traits or behaviors. We are more attuned. We're more sensitized to this. And so we identify it much more often. The second thing is that there is a real rise in the prevalence and incidence of narcissism pathological narcissism among mainly young people. Many people under the age of 25. According to some studies, for example, by twins and others. There's been a quintupling of narcissism among the among this age group. And of course, the technology with both reflects this and enhances it empowers narcissism. Civilization and societies and they become more narcissistic. So narcissism is a positive adaptation. It pays to be a narcissist. You rise to the top, you become president of the United States, for example. So it's a good idea to be a narcissist. In July 2016, new scientists, which is a respectable science journal came up with a cover story. Parents teach your children to be narcissists. So narcissism is a bone tone. And the third factor I think is that we narcissism is no longer a clinical entity, but it is an organizing principle. It helps us to make sense of the world. So now we look at politics show business, even geopolitics and so on. And we say, okay, if we use the principle of narcissism, then we can make sense of what's happening. It's meaningful. What's happening is meaningful. And people are addicted to meaning. They seek meaning throughout their lives. So now they have this narcissism thing and suddenly they can label politicians. They can predict behaviors. It's a useful tool. So I think that's why it's becoming more, more in the limelight, more in the headlights. And for the rising numbers, especially amongst the youth, you said, you mentioned the role of technology. How much does that account for this rise and what are the other factors that we might identify?  In itself, it doesn't create narcissism. Narcissism is usually a pathological pathology that is engendered or fostered in early childhood. So it doesn't create pathological narcissism, but it definitely tends to legitimize narcissistic displays. Spectacles that was a Frenchman who coined the phrase, the society of the spectacle. So social media tend to encourage spectacles of narcissism. Social media rewards, narcissistic behaviors, such as posting selfies and bragging. So there is a vicious cycle of social media and technology in general, empowering narcissists, legitimizing narcissism and narcissistic behaviors, creates thereby creating what we call a positive reinforcement.  That's a mechanism known as positive reinforcement. But technology has a very small path to play in the tidal wave, the tsunami of narcissism that is sweeping over us. I think there are other social trends which are much more important. For example, the disintegration of all our institutions without exception. The church, the family, the communities and even the nation state is disintegrating in a variety of ways. So that's very powerful. We are in a state known as anomy. Our societies are anomic. Anomic, that means the norms of behavior have disappeared. So it's very disorienting and narcissism is a compensatory mechanism. But pretending to be God, you're actually saying no one can hurt me. Nothing bad can ever happen to me because I'm God. I'm all powerful. I'm all knowing and so on. So it's a compensation for fear and panic and anxiety. It's an anxiety-reducing mechanism and our world creates a lot of anxiety. The second thing is that for the first time in human history, we have multiple fundamental profound transitions. For example, take gender. Gender roles have been fixed for well over 10,000 years since the agricultural revolution started an organization a little later. And this is the first time in human history that we are transitioning from gender roles to an age-gendered society or society which is uni-gendered, without gender roles. That is very disorienting, of course. But had this been the only transition, it would have been in itself very cataclysmic and unsettling. And we see the war between the genders. That's a reaction. People are so unsettled, they become reactionary or they become violent or they become aggressive and so on. Men and women, women are becoming a lot more narcissistic, a lot more psychopathic according to studies. Sexual behaviors are influenced by subclinical psychopathy to a very large extent.  So had this been the only transition, it would have been bad in itself. But we are faced with at least 20 or 30 transitions of a similar magnitude, all of them simultaneous. Humans are not built to cope with this. They're simply not built to cope with this. I'm talking climate change, geopolitical realignment, gender roles, family, I mean everything. So women are not built to cope with such an amount of change. And what they're doing is they become delusional. They become even almost psychotic. They withdraw from reality and they create a solipsistic bubble universe where they are godlike. I call narcissism a private religion. The reason primitive religions arose, the reason later more atheistic religions came to being, is that people were terrified. They were in a state of panic. They didn't know how to cope with nature. So they created gods. And so the same is happening today. We don't know how to cope with our reality. So we render ourselves gods, gods and godlike. We create private religion. Private religion is narcissism. So it's a religious reaction, actually. It's a form of religious reaction. And so on and so forth. There are many things happening and all of them give good reason to develop narcissism. So the confluence is irresistible. And I believe that narcissism will become the norm, actually. People who are not narcissistic will fall behind, will procreate less. They will have fewer children. And so natural selection will favor narcissists and psychopaths, even psychopaths more than narcissists. We are heading that way. That's my firm belief. And do you think or do you know that there are some groups that are especially more becoming narcissists and psychopaths? Are there some groups that are especially following that trend or is it a global movement? No, it's a global thing. It's on the individual level. It's on the collective level. However, as the sociologist Campbell noted, we have transitioned from the age of dignity to the age of victimhood. So there is a new pernicious, poisonous confluence between victimhood and narcissism.  They feel superior because they are victims. So they have a vested interest to remain victims. They have an interest to force you to victimize them. They have an interest to feel entitled and to have grievances and to become frustrated and aggressive and violent if they don't get what they want. Because all of this is intended to support or buttress their sense of superiority, moral superiority, for example. So while in the past victimhood movements, for example, the civil rights movements in the United States were not narcissistic, were actually goal oriented, purpose oriented. Today, most victimhood movements are about grandiosity. They don't have any meaningful agendas. They just want to be heard. They want to garner attention. They want to become celebrities and famous. They want to control. They want to have power. They are power oriented, power hungry. They are entitled and aggressive and frustrated and in many cases violent. Actually, every single political and social movement nowadays had converted itself into, have converted, has converted into a victimhood movement. Many ideologies which were not victimhood oriented became victimhood oriented. You can't find today anything, the far right, the far left, political parties, gender. You name it, you can't raise skin color, education. You name it, everything is converted into the currency of victimhood. Everyone is a victim.  And if they can't find an abuser, they invent one or they force you to become one. That's an exceedingly dangerous phenomenon because narcissism is about a lack of empathy. It's about entitlement and exploitativeness. It's an externalizing disorder. It's a disorder that leverages aggression. When you couple this with victimhood, this is morally justified narcissism. This is legitimized narcissism. And so you see psychopathy becoming the norm. But not psychopathy in your face, defiled, reckless, conchumacious, hateful psychopathy, like in the past. This is psychopathy masquerading as sainthood. I'm not a psychopath, I'm a saint.  This is the message. I'm a victim, so I'm a saint, I'm morally superior to you. I have a right because I have grievances. I'm entitled. You have obligation towards me.  That's the message. How do this shift happen from what you described as the civil right movement and the dignified victims, to this victimhood cultural movements and the praise of narcissism in fact? There are two phenomenon I think involved. One is that these movements have been hijacked by narcissists and psychopaths. There are studies in British Columbia University and so on that demonstrated this. So narcissists and psychopaths saw an opportunity to become public faces of these movements. They infiltrated these movements and took over. And today these movements are tools, instruments of these psychopaths and narcissists. That's the first development and the second development is the monetization of victim. The minute it was possible to convert victimhood to money, many interests entered the game. For example, businessmen, corporations, you know, and these are by nature narcissistic and psychopathic. A typical business lacks empathy is goal oriented and has to compete and even be a bit vicious and even to survive. So business is a psychopathic environment by definition. If you monetize victimhood, it invites psychopaths, narcissists and psychopathic narcissistic institutions and structures to join the game. And this is precisely what happened. So the more successful victimhood movements had become, the more they got compromised by outsiders. Would you say that the rule of the left, the left, political left is important in allowing that to happen? In some countries, not in all of them of course. In other countries it was the right. For example, in Spain's Franco, in Franco Spain, I'm sorry, it was the right. For example, Bolsonaro was Brazil. Or Banzangari. Both left and right have kind of discovered the power of victimhood and the ability to monetize victimhood one way or another. The whole European Union project is a victimhood project because countries apply to the European Union and say, you know, I have pollution. And I've been abused by my neighbors. I need to educate my people. So it is an entitlement-based program. I'm entitled, give me money. And of course victimhood had been discovered long before. The Nazi movement was a victimhood movement. Hitler's message was the German people had been victimized in Versailles by the Allies and we should reclaim our dignity. We are victims and we are entitled because we are victims and we're entitled to Laban's harm. We're entitled to living space because they have confined us in a tiny territory having taken away half of Germany. Similar messages you had in Serbia. Similar messages you had in Hungary. So victimhood is not new. Nothing new about victimhood. But when victimhood in the past used to be dignified on the level of the individual and politicized on the level of the collective.  Communism was a victimhood movement. The Poletariat is abused by the business owners and the big feudal land owners. Yes, it's a victimhood movement. So on the collective level victimhood was politicized. On the individual level, victimhood was dignified, for example, in the civil rights movement. While this happened in the past, today victimhood is a business. It's simply a business. It's an offshoot of capitalism. And because capitalism is ubiquitous and all pervasive, right or left, doesn't matter. It became big business. That's as simple as this. Of course the left is taking a right on victimhood. The work movements and other such bullshits, politically correct nonsense and so on. Of course they're taking a right on it. But you know what? The far right is doing the same. The alt-right is doing the same. Alex Jones made $200 million of victimhood. And he's not exactly left-wing, yeah? So it's all over the place. It's the monetization of suffering. The monetization of suffering. If it's not suffering, you invent suffering because it pays. As simple as that. It's capitalism. If you want the root cause, it's the malignancy of capitalism. Not capitalism as an ideology or capitalism as a form of allocating resources. It's very efficient form. It's all that I'm talking about. I'm talking about the ideology of capitalism that became cancerous. The ideologies that says you can measure everything with money. And everything should be geared towards economic growth. This is not capitalism. This is an ideology superimposed on capitalism. Nothing in capitalism says that you have to grow economically all the time. When you say I have to grow economically all the time means I have to produce new consumers. And to produce new consumers, I need to brainwash them into consuming needlessly. So there is a whole cycle here of very evil, evil mind control techniques. And the response to this by helpless people is narcissism. People feel helpless. People feel hopeless because of the forces of ideological capitalism. So they are responding by pretending that they are gods. It's a compensate. It's a causes. It's utterly delusional and sick. As sick as religion. It's a form of religion. And to what extent and how much dangerous do you think that the victim culture might be to our societies? Well, deadly, more or less. Take for example the gender issue. There is a precipitous collapse in the production of new children. Now we say we don't need children. We have 8 billion people. That's nonsense. We don't have 8 billion people. We have 2 billion people who are old over the age of 65. That's what we have. We miss 200, 300 million children in order to support the pension schemes, forget other things. So we have a deficit in children. And this deficit is direct outcome of gender wars and the unigender approach, which is a direct outcome of a victimhood movement known as feminism. So there is an example for you. So we don't have children. 31% of adults in industrialized countries are single for life. They don't have relationships. They have two cats in Netflix.  You know, it's bad. The situation is seriously bad. Women and men are totally disoriented.  They fight each other. You have phenomena like meek tau and incels and red pillors.  It's bad. And I'm giving you only one example of 20 or 30 such dislocations, such transformations, all of them without exception, based on victimhood. Organizing yourself, creating identity politics around victimhood is destructive to you and to others. It's destructive to you because you can never feel self-respect and dignity.  As a victim, you're passive. As a victim, you're helpless. As a victim, you're hopeless.  As a victim, you're frustrated. As a victim, inevitably you become aggressive.  So there's a total collapse in the social fabric. And is there anything to be done against it? Can we stop it or I don't know? Listen, one of the most disgusting and despicable human beings I know is called Donald Trump. But I must tell you that he is right, you know, even a clock that doesn't move is right twice a day. So I must tell you that sometimes I resonated with his messages. And one of the messages I resonated with is that we must get rid of victimhood speech. Of course, Trump has created a victimhood movement in the United States. The victimhood of the white suppressed male, working class male, that was his message. The whites are losing America. It's a victimhood movement. But on the other hand, he did espouse a message of we should stop being politically correct. We should confront the work movements. We should confront the left. And we should get out of this. We should reclaim our strength. Ironically, he coupled it with a victimhood message. But had it been decoupled, I would have fully supported it. Yes, wherever we see victims and victimhood, we should fight them tooth and nail. There is no movement of reparations for slavery. Really?  There's a movement. And similarly, the endless exploitation of the Holocaust by the Jews should be confronted. Similarly, gender grievances and complaints. Patriarchy, the evil that men are and men did to women throughout millennia. Listen, let me tell you something. Everyone has been victimized at one time or another. That you had been subject to abuse and suffering.  A victimhood is an identity. It's not the same as being victimized. Everyone is victimized by the tax authorities. I don't know. Everyone is a victim to someone. We must stop this. We must stop the conversion to identity politics. And when we see it happening, we must confront it everywhere and with everything at our disposal. So even sensitive issues like the Holocaust should be confronted. Of course the Holocaust happened and not the Holocaust denier, Majou. The Holocaust did happen with possibly the most horrible genocide in human history, probably. That's not the issue. The issue is to monetize it is morally abhorrent and reprehensible.  It's business. There's nothing to do. These people have died already. So they should stop. And same with many black grievances. The black community in the United States, rather than confront its own shortcomings. For example, the disintegration of the family structure. The irresponsible responsibility or the lack of responsibility of the black, typical black male. The explosion of use of drugs and criminal behavior among the black communities. Instead of confronting these and admitting to these shortcomings and trying to tackle them, they put all the responsibility on wrongs that have been committed 150 years ago. No one denies that slavery was a catastrophically horrible event or process. But there's a limit and we must place it now or we're almost. How do you confront a victim, a victimhood attitude if it is coupled with the narcissism that you described at the beginning? How do you confront those two issues at the same time because they are intertwined? One way to do that is to provide alternatives to grandiosity, other outlets to grandiosity. So for example, someone's grandiosity is invested in their victimhood. Maybe you should redirect the grandiosity towards overcoming victimhood. If you say I've been a victim of an abuser. I've been a victim of abuser. It's horrible. I'm morally superior because my abuser was wrong morally and I've been right morally. You could say, well, maybe you can overcome your victimhood.  This is a form of redirecting grandiosity. Listen, it's hopeless to fight narcissism. Exactly like climate change.  It will not happen. Climate change is here. It's coming. It will be upon us. Better prepare for it rather than try to reverse it. Start working will never work. Same with narcissism. The tsunami is here. Starts winning. So rather than trying to reverse narcissism and so on, we should try to channel it. Narcissism is energy. It's a force. It's the need to support your grandiosity by eliciting narcissistic supply from other people. So channel it. You can elicit supply by pretending to be a victim or you can elicit supply by demonstrating to the world what a strong resilient person you are and how you would overcome your victimhood. Yes, I was born a slave, but now I'm a multi-millionaire. There are two options. You can say I was born a slave.  Yes, I'm a slave. So now you owe me money. That's one approach. And the other approach is I've been a slave. You have abused me and tortured me and look where I am now. I'm a multi-millionaire. I'm a successful author. I'm an intellectual. I don't know. These are the two options and we need to redirect public discourse not towards compensating for victimhood, not to have a discourse of rights and obligations but a discourse of overcoming. By the way, this was the original message of the civil rights movement. You remember the song, We Shall Overcome? This was the original message. They didn't ask for money. They didn't ask for affirmative action.  They just asked to be treated equally and fairly and they agreed to do the job themselves of reconstituting their lives and overcoming. Triumphing. We should emphasize triumph rather than monetizing a compensation but triumph is not a capitalistic discourse. That's a problem. Our language is contaminated by capitalism. We ask what's in it for me? How much is it worth? How much do I send to get out of it? These are capitalistic narratives. Instead, we should move away from capitalistic narratives and towards, I would say, psychological narratives of resilience, of strength, of transformation and of overcoming. These have been the narratives for well over 10,000 years in all the ancient religions, in mysticism, in philosophy. These were the narratives. No one talked about money. No one said if you achieve nirvana, you will get $1 million. No one said that. You achieved nirvana because you wanted to achieve nirvana. End of story. Not because you wanted to become Bill Gates.   That is the epitome today and the quintessence of the horizon of young people. That's how they believe they will become fulfilled. Perhaps that will be my last question because we are running out of time but even some politicians that denounce victimhood like Donald Trump also falls into victimhood strategy. How is not that inextricable? The problem is language. Everything starts with language. Your consciousness is shaped by language. Reality is shaped by your consciousness. Everything starts with language. Of course if the narrative is a victimhood narrative and the dictionary is a victimhood dictionary you find it extremely difficult to communicate otherwise. Of course if everyone agrees that markets are very important and market efficiency is critical and economic growth is the only measure of happiness and so it's difficult to exit the narrative. The space of language not only defines you but also confines you. We need another language, a new language. Luckily these alternative languages have existed for thousands of years. We just forgot about them. In the 60s and 70s we tried to go back. There was a brief period where we tried to go back to the east to India, to the Middle East. And then in the 80s there was a brief period that we tried to go back to monotheistic classical religions. But we failed because in the 80s started the high-tech boom and everyone became multibillionaires and also money. Money became the new idol, the new gold. And since then all the alternative narratives and languages have been suppressed. We need to rediscover them. Nothing's wrong with capitalism. I wouldn't trade capitalism for any other system of allocating economic resources. It's the best by far. But the ideology of capitalism is sick to the core and is making all of us sick to the core. We need to get rid of it. We need to act as capitalistic agents in the marketplace without converting this into some kind of religion. We need to understand that humans are much more important than any commodity or object. We live in a death count. This is a death count where objects are venerated and humans are sacrificed. We need to move from a death count to a count of life. And luckily we have hundreds of options to choose from if we only make this decision. Well, I think we can end on that if that's okay with you. Thank you very much for your time. It was very fascinating to talk with you. Thank you a lot for your time. Thank you for an excellent question. Thank you very much. Take care of you. Bye-bye. You too. Bye.


Hello, everyone, and welcome to theCUBE's live coverage of Teradata Possible. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co-host and analyst, Rob Stratche. We are joined by Nimit Jain. He is the head of artificial intelligence at AWS. Welcome to the show. Thank you. And Mike Hutchinson. He is the chief customer officer at Teradata. Thank you both so much for coming on. Thank you. You're welcome. So, Mike, I'll start with you. What led Teradata to develop this partnership in the first place? So, you know, we adopted a cloud-first strategy, knowing that's the right strategy for Teradata as a company and our customers. And what we needed was a partner that we could work with to get our customers to the cloud, but we wanted them at least risk.  Cannot introduce a lot of risk. Doesn't want to be long. Doesn't want to be expensive. And so, working with AWS, we've got a great migration program. We are moving customers every weekend to the cloud on AWS. And you know what? They're getting there. We have mitigated the risk. They're getting great performance. But most importantly then, it gives them the ability, they're in the cloud, they can modernize. So, getting that first step to get them to the cloud so we can follow on on modernization. It would seem that, you know, from an AWS perspective, this is obviously good because more is better, but AWS has a rich history of this type of data and being always on and things of that nature, which is the history of what is going on within AWS. How do you see the partnership working from an AWS perspective? Sure, so we see Teradata has the best in class vintage platform, right? And for all kind of data workloads, whether it's very complex to business critical workloads, and at the same time, we know Teradata has been working globally with multiple organizations, large organizations. So this opens immense opportunity for AWS to partner and work and show our services and offerings to those customers, and likewise for Teradata as well. And if you see Teradata specifically has also migrated a lot of the workloads to cloud. So with this partnership, we can accelerate the journey for our customers to the cloud and interestingly, if you look at AWS, we have the least time to initiate any service on the cloud. Also, if you look at Teradata, Teradata has been very active in the marketplace recently and it has the largest average deal size working with us among all the ISVs. So the tagline around this partnership is better together, Mike. So for the data executives out there who are not yet running Teradata Vantage on AWS, what does this mean? I mean, it sounds like marketing speak. It does sound like a little bit of marketing speak, but if you really kind of think about it, that better together really starts with the integration of our engineering teams. AWS has tons of fantastic native integrations that our customers want and need. Working together with the Teradata engineering team so that they can be seamlessly accessed through the Vantage platform. So when we talk about working better together, it's not marketing, right? It actually is based with our engineering teams. Once we're through our engineering, we deploy it, our operations teams are like this as well. So AWS is known for scalability, high availability. We deliver that together to our customers, but if anything ever does go bump in the night, it's not just Teradata, it's AWS. We are together through the engineering, all the way through the delivery out to the customer experience every day 24-7. What is it from a AWS perspective that you're seeing that customers really, it helps their experience? I mean, having been at Amazonian, it's always working backwards, right? So when you start to look at it, how are you helping the customers and how does Teradata being there help the customers work backwards? See, I think if you look at the Teradata's Vantage platform, right, it's optimized to run on AWS for any kind of workloads. So for customers who are migrating, they can migrate with this risk and with high agility. And specifically this happens because of the same code base of Vantage, right? And once you're on the platform with Vantage Cloud offerings, the customer's ability for storage and compute to be separate. And for customers who want deeper insights to unlock from their data sets, we have ClearScrape integrated with AWS SageMaker for deeper insights. And we also have plans to integrate with Amazon Bedrock, which is our new generative AI offerings, which is an API-driven service. So all in all, with customers who are wanting modern infrastructure, they get the best of the both world where they can easily, they get the best platform in terms of Vantage. They get ease integration of all our services from Data Lake S3 to all our AI ML stack. Yeah, that makes total sense. I think, again, it's the richness of services that AWS offers around the Vantage Cloud platform on AWS. It just seems like that is a natural fit, especially with the anthropic discussions and all the, you know, bring your own model and how you can keep it secure. And I think that becomes a big piece of it as well, I'm sure. Yep. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, we can't understate the value of those integrations, right? It makes Teradata just that much better on AWS. It gives customers a lot more flexibility, a lot more options. And SageMaker is a great example, the best in model ops combined with the best performing analytic database. You got a great combination there. What is the kind of feedback you're getting, Mike, from your customers around this partnership? What are you hearing in terms of what they are getting out of it? So, you know, first and foremost, I mean, they get, you know, what they need to run their mission critical business. They get stability, they get scalability, they get high availability.  So everyone expects this. But what they're also seeing is they're seeing that with this deeper partnership that they have, it's just this rapid innovation that we're able to do because AWS is doing it as well and delivering more out. So with Vantage Cloud Lake, we deliver a new release every month, every 30 days that there's new capabilities. And many of those capabilities are brought from the fact that we're natively integrating with cloud native services. So, customers are seeing the ability to innovate faster at the same time, knowing that their mission critical workloads are protected, they're performing, getting the business outcomes they're looking for. Yeah, and I'm just building off of that because I think GenAI is all the rage, right? And I think there's a lot of discussions. How is this AI and machine learning really helping customers move forward this integration of Teradata, Vantage, Cloud, and AWS? See, I think if you look at Teradata and AWS has been really working together to transform AI ML opportunities for customers and with the lowest TCO and with high return on investments. And if you look at specifically, what are driving those opportunities for customers? First is the customers are able to experiment very fast because of the integration with clear scale and our stage maker. Then for customers who want to operationalize and scale those models, they are able to do much faster. For customers who want to do more complex, predictive, and prescriptive analytics, they can leverage all their enterprise data with very ease. And at the same time, we are giving flexibility of choice to the customer to choose the right tool for the right job. So in summary, the Teradata and AWS is driving customers in their AI ML journey across the lifecycle, starting from data preparation to model training to model deployment. When you're talking about this need for innovation that your customers are hungering for right now and you said this partnership really enables that and fuels it. So how are you helping customers make the changes, adopt this kind of experimental entrepreneurial mindset that they need in order to push the organizations forward? Yeah, it's amazing that the shift I've seen in the last even just six months with AI ML, customers are willing to really run a lot more proof of concepts, right? They want to try 10 things knowing maybe we'll only get two success cases out of it. It's an investment. It's a changing in the culture of the mindset. You actually see more of it coming out of the business side than you do IT, the data scientist. So you need to change the culture to accept the fact that, hey, we're not going to be successful with all these POCs.  So a little bit of it is changing culture, giving people the permission to do these POCs and what you heard Steve McMillan on stage this morning talking about a couple of them.   I mean, that's, you know, it's taking the step forward to try new things and it's great to see. And I think, again, you guys, I think you're going to be on a panel later today and what are some of the key, I guess you could say, trends and things that people should be aware of with cloud data and analytics going forward? What are some of the things that you're looking at that people should be, you know, they're sitting at home? Hey, we need to take a look at this and look further. Let's see, one of the most important things which a baby cloud has produced is generative AI, right? With the immense compute and storage available. I think it was able to train large models at extensive scale. So I think one thing we have to realize is that the data will be key differentiator for all the organizations who want to harp on this journey. And why? Because if you know, whether a customer is a model trainer or a model consumer or they're tuning their models, all of them, they have to leverage their enterprise data. So they have to ensure that, you know, there are certain guardrails they follow around accesses of the data, the PIA information of the data, regulatory conditions of the data before they start using those models. So I talk about those. At the same time, I also talk about foundation models, right, which is powering all of the generative AI and all of us are familiar with chat GPT, right? It created a lot of attention from all our customers. But at the same time, a lot of people who are working on foundation models, they realize that this has been around for a while. And what we realize is that innovation will continuously happen in this space in terms of model architectures, you know, new way of solving problems. And we have just started. You know, we say that generative AI every day is a year now, right? It feels like a year. So this is what my talk would be all about. So happy if you can attend. Listen. Yeah. I mean, what you're just saying, and it's really mind boggling, because it's true, you hear that a lot every day is a year and you're talking about this push for innovation, this idea that you have to have new releases every 30 days, this sounds exhausting. And burnout is a really big problem, especially in technology companies. How do you keep your teams motivated and focused on end goals without burning their candle at both ends and making sure that they are also getting what they need to remain creative and open to all these things? So, you know, from the Teradata point of view, it's a couple of things. One is, again, it's a lot for us, it's about our culture, right? You know, we are a people first company making sure that, you know, we need people to be innovative.  So, you know, taking care of the employees, we do some pretty innovative things around that. But then it's also making sure they have the tools that they need. And, you know, for us, running all of our services team, having a direct line in development, I mean, it is a great relationship we have internally. So when our developers, our data scientists, our DBAs, you know, things that they think that will make life better, not just for them, but for our customers, they have an open door to our development team who's responsive, works with them, making so, you know, really, it's really making sure they feel supported, technology side, on the personal side, and keep them engaged. How, do you have some customer examples of how this partnership and how your customers and Teradata Advantage and Cloud on AWS and how they're leveraging that? Yeah, I mean, many of them, a lot of them are here today. I'll mention a couple of them. So Brinker International, you may not know the name, but I bet you know the name Chili's because you probably ate there some time in the last month. Brinker runs Restaurant Change. Chili's being one of them. They use Vantage on AWS to really simplify and manage their entire supply chain across 1600 restaurants. So what is the demand? What supplies do I need? What staff do I need? Bringing it all together. So when you go in on Thursday night to get a margarita, they have everything they need to support. That's one. One of the world's largest banks uses, again, Vantage on AWS, across seven different major divisions. And when we talk about scalability, they have trillions of transactions every day that run in this platform. And so, you know, we've got customers that use it for, you know, really a key core part of their business. But those are two great examples. Actually, both of them are here with us today. And sharing their proof of concept and sharing, I mean, at conferences like these, what are the conversations like and how are you participating in them and trying to be a fly on the wall, but also a participant in getting out all these insights?  And what they were really looking for is they want to be, they want to see a three-way with us, AWS and them. They want us to bring the best of engineering thing because what they feel like is we have delivered so much together, they are running a huge platform with us, but they're like, we think we can do more. But they do believe in the fact that it's going to be all three legs on that stool to get together. And so we'll plan an engineering day with them here soon with AWS and we'll sit down and we'll innovate and try to figure out what's next for them. That's what customers are looking for, right? They've got to the cloud, they've innovated, but they're just, they're looking for how do we push it further? So that every conversation is somewhere around that topic.  Let's do it, let's do it. Mike and Nivet, thank you so much for coming on theCUBE. Thanks for coming. Absolutely, thank you. I'm Rebecca Knight for Rob Stretch-A. Stay tuned for more of theCUBE's live coverage of Teradata Possible.


Welcome, it's documentation office hours. This is the 26th of May 2023 topics for today, the 2.401.1 change log and upgrade guide. Internationalization and localization a new poll request and some opportunities to review there. If Chris joins us we can talk about Google summer of code and we'll talk about end of life notifications in Jenkins core. Any other topics you want to put on the list Meg. Looks good to me. All right, so let's take a first look at topic number one the 2.401.1 change log with Kevin out of the office. I've created it. And so here's what it looks like. If you've got capacity Meg, I'd love to have you review if you don't don't worry about it. Nope happy to do it. This is one of those that these things are phrased a very specific way Daniel Beck has guided us on how to do those and so comments are welcomed and happily encouraged. Okay. So what what this will then do is next Wednesday when the LTS releases this will be available and merged and that's what will show up on the change log here and on the upgrade guide here. Okay. So Bruno will also review it and I suspect Alex Brandis will review it so we've got good review there. Next topic then was on internationalization and localization so this one. We've got a poll request from from Jeffrey Chen, a new contributor. The poll request is bringing back an old poll request that had been started and then stalled. So we had started a stalled and Jeffrey said hey I'd like to work on it. So started work on it and Jeffrey's work is now visible here and we've been going through a series of improvements to try to get it ready right now it's running through the build what I had done was Jeffrey gave some initial changes that looked like this. So here you see the top level page notice that it's still marked with the work in progress flag. He added a whole new page, or rather the original poll request did. And then the top level page still showed as work in progress with a link to the new page. I took a little broader approach and said hey let's do it this this other way. And so what I did was put the content that he created in the top level page. There's a series of hey do this do this links to how to guides, and then place the integration to crowd in right next to it, and linked inside because crowd in is this great tool that we use for to support our translators. Right. So I asked Jeffrey hey are you okay if I apply my changes on to your poll request. Jeffrey's answer back seems to be yes. And so I've gone ahead and done that. And it's now building I just pushed it just a few minutes ago. So we'll be able to see that. And this is another one may God love to have a review, particularly because we want to, we'd like to have this done well enough that people can understand it there are two or three cases where translators can do the easy thing. If their plug if the plug in they're working on is supported by crowd and they just have to do this translate messages and crowd in right and it talks them how to do that it's it's a really nice interface. If it's not supported in crowd in the easiest thing is ask the maintainer please put it into crowd in. But if they don't do that, then there are these steps that describe okay here's how you do it the hard way. Do you see the type of a number one. I do and I fixed it and it'll be in the next generated. Okay. Yes, thank you. That's the sort of thing one misses the I just what exactly you look at them too much. So, so this is, this is what what the concept here is that this is wandering between how to guides. These three here, and the reference guide, the so the reference book has links that take people back and forth depending on which I think made most sense. And so so we we hope that they will find this useful it's and the content is much fuller now there's much more content now. So if if you're available to review it. Absolutely. And for me there the additions are at least good enough for us to consider are we ready are we good enough to merge. Okay, I will look at that either tonight or tomorrow. Great, thank you. Alright, on Google summer of code since Chris isn't here we'll move this later. Next topic was end of life notifications in Jenkins core so this one is a process that I had started discussing in platform see again in Docs office hours. To warn users when their operating system is no longer supported because we don't support operating systems that the vendor doesn't support. And so this now gives us a user interface inside Jenkins that says, you're running on an operating system we won't be supporting in the not too distant future. This, the example we see here is specifically sento seven, and I've proposed that we will accelerate its end of life it would officially end life, June of 2024. We're going to end life in the Jenkins project in November of 2023, because this thing is an albatross around our necks. Oh, God, what a hard system that was. Well, it's, it's impressive how long lived it is. It is very impressive. Yeah. And so, so the, the message here is takes them through it. Now we've got a number of activities that have to be done. And I've put some notes in here on those will need a blog post. And just to go with the blog post will want to community dot Jenkins that I oh post that tells people so that people can have conversations about the blog post. The other thing is this gives us an a dedicated operating system redirect page, or it gives us a link to an operating system page. But right now that link is just going to a generic Linux support page. Okay. I think what we want to do is I'm going to show it to you and I think we want to switch this generic this general purpose page to be specific. So I'm going to follow that hyperlink. Notice that all it did is it redirected to the Linux support policy and I suspect we want a dedicated page for this that says, Hey, and maybe it's just a link to the blog post initially. Yeah. What do you think what what would you recommend what will actually I am a pretty a free question. What does supported mean here. It does not mean the support there is no support organization. Correct. It does not. So in this case, it doesn't run we don't test against it. Right. So the, the, the simplest way of describing supported is if we if we run automated tests against it. And are committed to maintaining it running on that we call it level one. Okay. And we enumerate them specifically here. Okay, 64 bit Linux on Debian on red hat on open Susie 64 bit Linux and those are the AMD 64 when 64 bit Linux on arm and on system 390. And containers. So they are explicitly listed then there are others where we say we'll we're willing to consider patches but we don't test them. We don't actively test. And we may drop support without telling anybody 32 bit for instance, risk five other exotic architectures like MIPS. And then any version not supported by the vendor. So we don't support. So did that answer your question on the meaning of support. Right. Yeah. Yeah, this was one that was vetted. Originally I think Oleg Nanash have created this Linux support policy page and made very was very careful to be sure that people understand this is not any statement of the existence of a support organization. It's rather that here are the things we test and here are the things we don't test. Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, no, I just said nicely done. Yeah, so so the idea but this page will certainly be linked from the blog post but I think maybe I will just make this redirect. Go to the blog post so that people also then have a forum at the bottom of the page that they where they can have more conversations. Good. All right, let me make a note of that. Are there people out there who love Santos seven and. Oh yes, absolutely well and there are companies out there who say the only thing you can use is Santos seven and and they largely don't care that it's reaching end of life. It's, they've chosen it all those years ago and they, they expect you to keep using it and the answer is, you're free to keep using it we just won't support it. Right. Great. So that was all the topics that I had for today Meg any other topics for you. Nothing for me. Okay.