I would like to invite Dr. Kosmaslakis and Zawazawa who will provide introductory remarks to our first panel that is indeed on Europe in the world of open source. So good morning, ladies and gentlemen, for those who are online. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. It is a great pleasure to be here with you. I could not miss this great opportunity to be among the engine that drives the world. I come from the International Telecommunication Union, the oldest United Nations organization established in 1865. We have a federal structure. We have a bureau which is responsible for radio communication. When you see any satellite going up, it has been registered with us. Spectrum is our business, standards are our business. I heard the development sector. So I believe sincerely that impacting people is all about what we do. Anything that we do must have as an end result, an impact of people, whether they are in a list of developed countries, in small island developing states, in the developing world, or in the advanced world of the world. And I think open source is beautiful in the sense that it signifies collaboration and cooperation. And thus I heard some people saying that you are still small as a community. Small is great. There is a greatest part in being small. That's why jewels are usually very small. So it gives me great pleasure to open this first panel at this remarkable gathering. Allow me from the onset to thank and congratulate the EU and open forum Europe for their continuous commitment to such an important matter in this world. This open source policy summit is great and is global and is people driven. And that is what makes it very important. For us in the ITU, we connect the world. And as you will know with all these emerging technologies, the center of everything is open source. And therefore we do celebrate. We believe in sustainable digital transformation. We believe in universal, affordable, and meaningful connectivity for all the peoples in the world. The International Telecommunication Union, with its development bureau which I have the pleasure of leading, is focusing on accelerating the attainment or achievement of the 17 sustainable development goals. And we believe that open data, open source, open standards do drive technology. The potential of open source to transform peoples lives and accelerate sustainable development should not and cannot be overstated. And enabling open source software, data, content, standards and AI models means facilitating access to the building blocks of modern day society in the future. Making them available for use, modification and distribution is equivalent to empowering people with essential tools they need to survive and succeed in the 21st century. The reason why in intellectual property, there is a challenge in pretending software is because the source code comes from one person or one individual and other people build on. So to find novelty becomes a big challenge. Ladies and gentlemen, the potential of open source to transform peoples lives is immense. Open source ensures that we all work together as an international community to make sure that everybody, including those that are struggling to make a living, benefit from it. So like my colleague said earlier on, this is a symbol of democracy and that is very important. 30 years ago, the internet was built on open source software. It was a digital public good. Today, we recognize that 1.1 billion people from the world's 46 least developed countries pay 20 times more than us in Europe to have access to the internet. And a shocking 2.6 billion people remain offline. And that is not good. This is why the United Nations Secretary General launched the roadmap for digital cooperation which identifies digital public goods as instrumental to achieving the sustainable development goals and goals for global efforts to advance and support its creation. Think about this. And this is why it is important within the United Nations, interstate relations, diplomacy to make sure that we bring technology and digital right at the center. This global effort is being led also by the International Telecommunication Union because our membership is very diverse and we are very unique within the UN family. We have 193 member states, so at the poorest level, you know you are covered. We also have regulators in the telecom industry throughout the world from the FCC, which is the oldest regulatory authority, to the South Sudan, which is the youngest regulatory authority, they are our members. But industry too, and private sector, are an integral part of our membership. And the organizations that you represent that are not yet, including startups, small and medium enterprises that are not yet members of the ITU are welcome. Feel free to join us, academia. We have a plethora of academic institutions that are part of us. Together with these partners, we catalyze action on norms and standards around digital public goods. We conduct research and support stakeholders with the knowledge, tools and resources to digital public goods. Distinguished participants, one of the greatest challenges in operationalizing open source digital public goods is the lack of capacity, be it a technical, institutional or human to absorb, develop and leverage open source. And I will not hit our chest as ITU, but we are big on institutional arrangements and capacity building from individual persons to communities to countries to sub regions to regions and globally. Let me take the pleasure and honor of announcing here now that we have launched a joint open source ecosystem enabler project. And I would like to thank the European Commission and the United Nations Development Program for their great partnership in this extraordinary people impacting initiative. The open source ecosystem enabler project will accelerate the creation of digital public goods globally and help countries develop and strengthen their open source ecosystems by establishing open source program offices throughout the world and providing them with tailored training and technical support. These offices or OSPOS will become robust and reliable catalyzers for digitally enabled socio-economic growth. We aim to co-design this framework with the open source community and first deploy it as a pilot. Too many pilots end up in accidents. So we are going to accelerate making sure that this project is replicated across the globe. Again, I encourage you to be on the lookout for the open call. And we look forward to automating you into this massive people oriented project. I look forward to hearing from the experts represented here at the summit and those who may be speaking virtually and to learning from your success stories and challenges. Let this discussion be an opportunity for us to identify how to best operationalize open source digital public goods towards advancing society and putting all people on an equal footing. And I thank the time keeper because she threatened from the beginning that she would be very tough and she has been very generous with me and thank you very much again. Thank you. I was indeed generous and I will be very short now. I will invite all the panelists of our first panel of the day including Dr. Zawazawa. So please welcome on stage. We will discuss Europe in the world of open source. Nice to see you all. So it's my distinct pleasure to be moderating today's panel. And the first allow me to I want to start by introducing our panelists. So first we have with us, of course, Mr. Dr. Kosma Zawazawa, the director of the telecommunication development bureau at ITU, the International Telecom Union. We have with us Carla Montesi, the director for Green Deal Digital Agenda at the European Commission. We have with us Camilla Bruckner, who is the director of the UN-UNDP office in Brussels and representative of UN System in the EU. And we have with us Deborah Camparini, who is the chair of OSEA, Initiative Secure Identity Alliance and technical director of the Standardization Bureau and board of the Linux Foundation. So for a start, I spend my life in meetings convincing people why open source matters. So I'm here are things the first time where I don't have to do that. I think you all know. So I exhausted all my talking points. I had to yesterday think of something else. So I'm here to talk to you about SDGs, an important topic for us. It all started in 2015 where all our countries, all of us, got together in New York and designed something that is really transformative, that is at the core of everything we do called the 17 goals. And these goals are important for two things. They have their time bound. So they said we have 15 years to get them to make them happen. And we're now past the halfway part. And the second important thing when they define the SDGs is they said this is not for governments to deliver on. This are not for a private sector. This is for everybody. This is all us. And what we've been trying here is and they helped us by identifying that technology is the main mean of implementations. We would not be able to deliver on those 17 who goes from fighting, finishing hunger, making sure that everybody, the healthy education, the equalities, the environment, that for all of us to be able to work on that. And technology is the main mean. And here is that for us it's more important now open source is even more important for the delivery of SDGs. Why? Because of just the values of open source. They are the most aligned with the UN values. It's transparency. It's openness. It's collaboration. It's people who have never met each other who are working towards one same goal. So that's why we're now at the UN, I don't know if you know, we have six official languages, French, German, no, French, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Russian and English. And we think now of technology is the seventh language. Is that an open source is that seven language. Is what brings, is a get people to collaborate. And here I have my open source, my personal open source stories that we launch with the, as Mr. Bernardo mentioned, with the EU Digit, we launch the open source software for SDG, which is an initiative we call, we say, hey, world, please come help us fix and serve specific challenges on SDGs. So we started with the first SDG which is about education. And we said, please, can you help us improve Moodle? And then we have this incredible set of solutions that were delivered from everywhere in the world. And we had a jury who had to pick a winner. You would never guess who was the winner. We were all in shock. It was an inspector in the Ministry of Education in Côte d'Ivoire who built this incredible module in the height of COVID, allowing building virtual classes and allowing schools to take place virtually in Côte d'Ivoire. The CEO of Moodle who was in the event couldn't believe, and he promised that that module will be integrated in future distribution of Moodle. So it is everywhere and it really is allowing a lot of incredible effect that happened. So now how to go about that is really important is to make sure that capacity building, as Dr. Zava Zava mentioned, we have to build capacity in the world. It's not easy. And we know that personally, this is what I said, I spend my life convincing people. Building open source within the UN is tough because if you stop 100 people randomly at the UN, you'll have maybe 20% who will hate open source, who will tell you absolutely not. You'll have maybe 20% who will like it and there's a lot in between. So there's a lot of, we need to change the culture, we need to convince, we need to tell stories, we need to show examples. And we know how hard it is to do it internally at the UN. So it is also hard to do it at the government level. So we need to hold the hand, we need to support this government and make sure that they have what it takes to jump on that wagon. But also most importantly for us is really is also connecting these Ospo's. I can promise you the Ospo of Germany, I know they're building one. I can promise you they will have the same problem than the Ospo of Botswana or the Ospo of Morocco and the Ospo of the city of Paris. I can guarantee you they'll have the same problem than the Ospo of the city of Casablanca. So we need to stop the silos. We need to make sure that these, there are mechanisms where we can connect them. So these are some of the issues that we are looking at and I'm happy to work with everybody here. And just to finish, I think the two first speakers talked about it. I want to be the third one to talk about it, just in case you haven't heard it. Is that in July 9th and 10th, we will be organizing the second edition of the Ospo for Good conference. First one took place last year in New York. It was a big success. We were a smaller group. Now we're coming with much bigger ambition. We want to have four to five hundred people. And why? We don't want it to be yet another conference. There are tons of conferences about open sources. That one we really want to have a lot of developing world there. We want to have the voices that we don't hear usually an open source. We want to have a platform where we can actually engage with them. We want to be that place where we can share successes or stories and do a lot of advocacy, but also to build partnerships, to build networks. So please mark in your calendar. You can Google it. There's a website. It went up last night just for today. So you can Google it, Ospo for Good conference. And we're looking forward to having you all there. With this, let me now turn to the first question for my panelists, so Carla, how's Europe facing the challenge of supporting open source software update and growth, especially for public administration and services? And how's Europe aligned with international organizations such as UNDP and such as International Telecom Union? Many thanks and good morning everyone. Very happy to join you at this summit, an important moment of discussing this essential subject. Now, you're right to mention the European Union. For the European Union digital transformation, it's a key priority in our strategy with our partner countries, in our partnership with states around the world, eliminating the digital divide, supporting a human centric digital transformation. It's one of the key priority, one of the key priorities of our strategy that we call the global gateway. And to achieve this, we dedicate more than 10% of our overall European budget dedicated to our international partnership for the digital transformation. I mentioned this, it's employee, supporting skills, supporting capacity building, supporting digital connectivity, supporting providing services. And at the heart of all this, of course, there is the open source. Now allow me to reiterate one essential point that was already mentioned before, that of course, in order to achieve this digital transformation, when we talk about open sources, some important feature has to be there. And I just repeat the key words that is important for us also that this open source will be this open source software will be public, because this is what will allow innovation. It's interoperable, it's accessible, it's safe, and this includes the fact that it has to be inspected. We need to improve security for everyone, and only if these four key main features are there that we can really ensure that open sources will be a software that will benefit everyone. This is why we have a clear strategy at the European level for the open sources, and just allow me to give an example that we imply an application at the European Union Fest, that it's just last November, our colleges later have reached an agreement on EIDAS 2-0 regulation. In simple words, this allows Europe to have, to build the foundation for a digital identity wallet. This is just one example on which we really want to use this innovative approach that will rely on open sources. As it was said, as a clear digital public good. So this is important, and of course we start with Europe, but we would like to work also with our partners around the world on these elements. But you ask a second question, and here's how we are cooperating together with international organization, has UNDP and ITU, and of course, I mentioned Global Gateway, this strategy apply implementing this strategy, we work with many stakeholders, of course public administration, private sector, civil society, but also with an international organization. I can mention two, just two examples of this important partnership, because it's very long, it's very big, it's very important, but mentioning two examples, I refer to what the Secretary General already mentioned, in last March, we at the UN General Secretary Assembly, we have supported the joint SDG found digital window with a contribution of 30 million, this is an important contribution, it was just recognized by the Secretary General, and of course this is done in fully partnership with ITU and UNDP. Once again, as it was just mentioned, this found will allow promoting and localizing open source software, working on open data, work on the standards, and to ensure interoperability that will be key, the key success element to succeed. But the second example that I wanted to give, it's what we bring all of us here of course today, it's the launch of this new initiative, it was already recalled, it's the open source software for enabling public services innovation, this will be an important new initiative in fully partnership with ITU and UNDP. It was already mentioned what is important in this new initiative to build capacity building, because we know that the most compelling issue that we have is that governments around the world are facing with the open source technology is building capacity, and this will be the first objective of this new initiative that we are launching to get today. I stop here because I know that we will have a deeper presentation later, so I stop here for the moment. Thank you, thank you very much, very impressive all the work that you guys are doing at the EU, and congrats for the initiative that we are launching again today. Let me now turn to Debra. Hi, Dr. Kosma spoke earlier about the digital public good, the DPGs, and the importance for the life of everyone. So now tell us about OSEA, so the Open Secure Identity Alliance, and as an example of key open source technology for digital identities and their interoperability. So if you could tell us more about it, and why is it important to offer such a foundational building block for the open source community? Thank you. Have you ever lost your wallet?  So you can't do much, right? Like, I bet you can't check in your hotel tonight, you can't travel back home tomorrow, you can't access most of healthcare services. This today is a reality for 850 millions of people around the world. And to put it in perspective, the European citizens are 450 million, so that's quite a big problem, right? So these people are also known, also called invisible, so those are people that have no means to prove their identity, they have no birth certificate, no passport, no ID cards, nothing. They are mostly located in emerging economies, so you might tell me, well, what does it have to do with open source, and, you know, there are other priorities. But actually, when we think about it, we want to fight child trafficking, right? We want kids to go to school. We want people to access micro loans, or loans. So without identity, you can't do that.  And government, to do that, they need to build digital public infrastructure, so complex infrastructure at national scale. And this is where OZIA Initiative came in, founded in 2019, so it's a collaboration between governments and private sector, so mostly companies specialized in cybersecurity or digital identity, to tackle this challenge together. It is, as I mentioned, the digital public infrastructure for managing identity is complex. We might not even realize it, right? When you hold your passport, be it in a physical or soon digital format, you can't, you don't imagine how much there's behind, how many infrastructure, how many technical components government need to set up, to deploy, to get to you as a citizen that identity in that passport. And like for every complex problem, what do you do? You break it down, and that's what we've done. We broke it down into smaller components. So as a community that we've built, we identified different building blocks, smaller building blocks that are needed for governments to set up identity infrastructures. And the second thing we've done is interoperability. So we have built some, I'm not getting into the technical talks here, I'm struggling a bit, but basically we're building some rails to connect all these different building blocks to make sure that the overall solution is interoperable via open standard. So this is important because there is something already existing in the governments in the country. So we don't want to toss away, right? We want to make sure that we leverage the legacy, we leverage the existing, we build on top, and that governments are not dependent, are not vendor locked, are not dependent on some companies and some products. So they are able to actually issue different smaller tenders where also some local companies can participate. So open standard was the first step of our journey. And now we've moved to open source as well. I think open standard and open source, they did very well. And so we are working, we are partnered with UNDP to develop an open source reference implementation of the open standard. So this is very much a journey in progress. On the open standard, we actually partner with ITU for the recognition of this standard as an international standard. So I'm conscious of time. There's so much I would like to say on the lesson learned that hopefully if you, you know, I'm happy to talk about this topic and much more. So if you have questions, you can reach out to me later because I don't think we will have more time in this panel. But thank you for the attention. Thanks so much, Deborah. It is a frightening thought to losing a wallet while you're traveling. That's scary. So yeah, thank you for all the work you're doing there. And let me turn to Camilla. The digital public services that based on open source technologies or as we know it as digital public goods can benefit not only developed countries or countries who are developing these tools but also countries who have from scratch or not having local capacity as of yet. So how does UNDP foster and support their sustainability and associated partnership across the world? So thank you very much. And thank you for the invitation to participate today and congratulations with the anniversary. So first of all, I want to underline how important it is to have a positive vision for digital. UNDP and ITU, we've done a shared research that pointed towards the digital can help us accelerate towards 70% of the SDGs. So the digital is very much an enabler and not I think an end in itself and we shouldn't also forget that. And indeed the open source digital public good communities play a huge role here. And UNDP is a proud co-lead of the digital public goods alliance. So we take a very active part in this community and development of expertise. And one example just to give you an example is the work we do within digital health where UNDP is currently implementing 60 digital health projects, many of them based on open source solutions. For example, one is called the district health information systems too for hospital management that currently is implemented in over 70 countries. And it supports equitable health outcomes. So we see the power that we can have when open source communities, private sector systems and funders and development agencies like the European Union come together. But there are of course also many risks as we are seeing a lot of these days, both in Europe where we see use of digital to metal in elections. The big risk here on very relevant now up to the European elections. And we have a lot of misinformation, access to social media and harming to the younger generations and their mental health. There was this senators or Senate hearing of the big tech companies the other day that was just about that. And also the e-waste and the power used for data centers which is huge. And of course this is mostly a first world problem. And then Nikala touched on it briefly as well. And so this cosmos, this huge inequity we have where we still have 2.6 billion people offline, I think you mentioned that cosmos. And the digital divide is a significant concern because it can marginalize communities even further than they are today. And individuals and leaving them behind as the digital economy takes a speed and accelerates even further. And it's also damaging to the gender divide. But more importantly, and this is one of the things I think that are really relevant today, is the governance and policy alignment where digital technology sometimes can outpace or often outpace development of governance frameworks. And this is where I think we have a real shared interest anecdotally just to take the example of the GDPR regulation. We've seen a lot of developing countries trying to adopt similar policies but they don't have the capacity to enforce it. And that of course undermines the trust and also the guidance to businesses is weakened. So it's critical to establish clear policies that align with the digital advancements and institutional capacity that Carla also talked about. Another issue is, as I said, trust and the perception that technologies can be used for surveillance or curtailing freedoms. So we need to support governments to use and ensure that there is transparency around how data is collected and used and shared and maintain the public confidence that this is done in a way that is in the broader public interest. And here, open source is a very important tool to do this. But there is a need for a concerted effort in the planning phase of digital to include wider stakeholder engagement. It cannot just be enforced. We really have to be inclusive in the consultations. And in the communications so that people understand what we are trying to do. On top of this comes cybersecurity where many developing nations often encounter difficulties to keep up with the rapid deployment of technologies. So that's another thing that we have to think about when we work together in helping our partner countries. And then finally, last point before I conclude is the maintenance where there's also limited resources for maintaining these systems that we set up. And this is classic to other things of our many 50, 30, or 30, 50 years of experience. We have in development efforts is that we put these systems in place, but we forget that they have to be maintained. And it's just as relevant for digital as it is and open source systems as it is for anything else. And here, back to Carla's point about skilled workforce that is lacking in public administrations, especially in low and middle income countries. And this is where UNDP and ITU are really trying to strengthen our corporation to invest in education and training programs and also build a talent pool that can secure a more sustainable pipeline of skilled professionals for the future. So yeah, all these questions of governance are really key to ensuring human-centered, a human rights-based approach. And this is where we see that the EU and UN can play a really a very important role together being very aligned on the ambitions of securing this type of model for digital development. And the initiative that we are launching today is a clear example of how we can achieve and come together and the potential of this corporation. So I want to thank the European Commission and Carla in particular for your support and the partnership. You're leading by example with the many regulations that you are putting into life. We get a lot of requests in countries about the DMA, the DSA, the recent digital act. How is it going to affect us? And how can we also be inspired? And here we must use this opportunity with this interest to get in there and support these governments and scale this support rapidly so that we manifest and create or secure that this model is the one that takes hold and not the model that is led by private sector nor the one that is led by more authoritarian regimes. So really this is a very important partnership that we need to nurture and develop. Thank you very much. Thank you very much Camilla. And I like the point where you said about building the capacity and training and working on the workforces. In public administration it's not in our DNA to work with the outside world. We just don't know how to do that. So this is new skills and new trainings that we have to give to these new countries and thank you for the initiatives. And also when I come back to the Digital Public Good Alliance so I'm very happy and proud that the two organizations are represented here today, the UN Office of ICT and the UN Technology Envoy are also proud member of the Alliance. So we're around 30 members so now so please check it out and see if your organizations also want to be part of the Alliance called DPGA, Digital Public Good Alliance. For my last question let me finish where we started with Dr. Zavazava. So how does ITU help build international capacity and mobilize resources in countries who are in need for help with open source technologies? Yeah thank you very much and it's a pleasure again to be on this panel. I want to thank my colleagues who have articulated most of the key points. I would summarize your question probably in three parts. One, we should answer the question why do we have 2.6 billion people in this time and era still being offline? One of the things is what Camila said, cybersecurity, confidence and security. We know that during the time of COVID many young women and girls were discouraged from being online because they were harassed and hurled during that period to the extent that some of it translated itself to offline harassment and that's not good. And we do prioritize cybersecurity is an important element that's one point. Second point is to do with affordability. Not everyone can afford the data. When you go to Africa, parts of Asia and the Pacific you realize what a challenge it is. Then the third component is the lack of digital skills and that's where capacity building comes in. But in addressing this challenge, ITU will not be able to do it alone or even UNDP, ITU or the UN in general. We cannot do it alone. We need to make sure that we have everyone on board. From the ITU standpoint I would like to address this issue and say we established what we call the ITU Academy which is a virtual platform but also from time to time we run a lot of courses face to face. And this saved us during the time of COVID because many thousands and thousands of people were able still to receive their education and to be equipped with digital skills. You see when we are doing projects and you go to the Pacific Islands and you meet an elderly woman with a grandchild who is about five years, four years, six years, teaching her how to use a smartphone. It's inspiring. And we know from our statistics that the ages of 14 to 24 and we term them in the UN language as youth, being the most active online. And that's why again we need cyber security to make sure that these children are safe. So child online protection is quite critical. So capacity building is very important for us. We also identified a segment of people who were not lucky like you and me to receive tertiary education. So we established what we call digital transformation training.  Thousands and thousands of people are benefiting from this. Then we also have what we call academy training centers where we partner with Cisco, with the Norwegian Development Agency and we are doing wonders across the world. But all this needs resources, human resources, experts, but it also needs financial resources. And as I always say, money does not grow on trees. So we have to partner together and I want to recognize the European Commission for their generosity in supporting many, many of our program. Recently we signed a joint project on universal, measuring universal coverage. Making sure that we know when we talk about connectivity we are not talking about laptops, we are talking about people. So we must measure the meaningfulness of that connectivity. How can it translate in terms of disasters to saving lives? Dealing with the sea rise countries like to value Maldives that are sinking, etc. So electronic waste management space sustainability, etc, etc. And that is very important. So we have been very lucky in the Development Bureau of ITU that over the past nine months we raised about 23 million from partners to implement projects for the benefit of particularly those in the developing world so that they can play catch up. And also we launched and you can Google it what we call the partner to connect alliance. And this partner to connect alliance is an alliance of the willing, those who want to put digital at the sender. We're talking about losing your wallet but we also talk about financial inclusion. For women, 70% of the population in rural, least developed countries are women and children and they are struggling to go to the bank. They have to be on a bus for two hours, etc, etc. So we make it possible that way and we have managed to raise pledges of about 36.8 billion dollars to make sure that we bring success and out of that about 17 pledges valued at about 200 million relate to open source projects. So we think it is very important to link financial resources, human resources to the development agenda so that people can participate effectively without looking from outside through the window and seeing what is happening inside without them having access. Thank you very much. Thank you Dr. Kosma. Very impressive indeed all the work that ITU is doing and I've been working in partnership with ITU for the last 10 years and I've always been amazed about your capacity to reinvent and rebuild. Unfortunately, I think the timekeeper is not generous with me as he was with Dr. Zawazawa. I've been receiving nasty looks. I started with looks that I ignored and they moved my glasses and I hear that now there will be somebody coming and taking the microphone physically. So with this I just want to thank our speakers. It was very interesting to talk to you. Thank you everybody and we're happy to connect and catch up later. Thank you. Thank you moderator. Thank you the Open Forum Europe. Excellencies, esteemed panelists, distinguished participants. I'm David Mansett. I'm the project coordinator of the new initiative that's been recently announced and I would like today to gather with my colleague Benjamin Bertelsen from UNDP to officially unveil the project visual identity during this very nice summit with the hands at the bottom and the cube at the top. This symbolizes mutual cooperation. We are very excited to meet together building our digital capacity thanks to Open Source. As an international collaboration, OC this new project receives funding from the European Commission under the global gateway program for a 42 month global action plan to be carried out by the Open Source Management Program to support countries in their digital public services development, providing them with best of breath education, training and support, thanks to the deployment of concrete Open Source program offices in target countries, in other words hospitals for good. Ben, you want to say a few words? Thank you David. We are excited about this partnership from and you can take it down. It's fruitful partnership between our two UN organizations the UNDP and the ITU and our complementary strengths in this work generously supported by the European Commission. We urge all to follow along. We'll be talking together with partners who can be hosts for OSPOS for good and to developing countries. This is the first and reason memory of projects working with OSPOS for public services in two developing countries. Thank you Ben. I would like to thank our directors for having taken this nice photo session with the new project visual identity just for the symbolic the cube that they were holding is an Open Source plant pot that we've produced that we've released that you can print at any scale it's recyclable symbolizes growth and capacity. Thank you very much.


Hey guys, welcome back to my YouTube channel. This is Daniel Rossa. I'm here today in the center of Jerusalem I'm outside one of my favorite restaurants in the world. It's a place called Habish It's one of three different Ethiopian restaurants on this little street between Agrippa Street and Yaffo Street in downtown Jerusalem People may not associate Jerusalem with Ethiopian food, but because there's been such a big influx Of Ethiopian Jews to Israel and also to Jerusalem. There's actually a lot of different Ethiopian restaurants here So my favorite dishes are the vegetarian platter that we've ordered because it's nine days and also the traditional meat dish called tibs We're gonna go inside and check it out. It's one of the best Ethiopian food places. I've had in Israel so far We've just finished up eating here in Habish Absolutely incredible if you're looking for a really really unique and authentic ethnic eating experience in Jerusalem I recommend most of the Ethiopian restaurants I've tried but particularly Habish Order either vegetarian in Hebrew Semchoni or tibs, which is the meat dish in Hebrew Basar if you are a kosher keeper, just be aware there isn't any Certification for this place. So that's something keep in mind So you can eat vegetarian if that's good enough for you or you can just not go here if that's your preference This is a really really good food. I've been coming here for seven years Never gonna end in quality and this place is only getting more popular So definitely worth the visit if you're looking for fun eateries in Jerusalem


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I'm running the boards today although roger is still producing and so he's responsible So yes, I will I'll fall up with that saying and the show's producer roger chang And this could be an awesome show. Here we go smooth like butter. Let's go ahead and start things off with a few tech things You should know Twitter reported a 24 rise in total revenue last quarter driven by video ads Earnings per share came in at 32 cents beating expectations of 25 cents monthly active users dropped on the year from 330 million to 321 million as expected due to continuing purges of fake accounts That's the last quarter You'll know that though as twitter will stop reporting monthly active users in favor of daily monetizable users twitter forecast a lower q1 revenue and higher Full year operating costs than expected starting february 28 facebook's drop down which explains why users are seeing a particular advertisement We'll add which of your details were targeted and whether the brand paying for the ad uploaded your contact info In order to match the ad to you it will also show when the contact information was uploaded and how the brand obtained it google fiber announced that they are ending service in louisville, kentucky And will not charge their final two months of service for subscribers The announcement blames the departure on faulty infrastructure decisions to place their lines In what is known as nano trenches only a few inches below the concrete They have come up and now there are loose wires on the ground It would have required a full reinstallation and instead they're packing up their fiber and moving on Oh no Motorola announced its moto g7 g7 power and g7 play phones All for less than 300 usd the most expensive the g7 at 299 has a 6.2 inch lcd screen With 64 gigs of storage 4 gigs of ram and a 3000 milliampere battery The moto g7 power at 249 dollars has the same size screen at a slightly lower resolution with 3 gigs of ram and 32 gigs of storage But it also has a larger battery at 5000 milliampere hour All three models come with android 9 pi and they also have my favorite a headphone jack All three are available now in brazil and mexico coming to europe in mid february and the us in the spring All right, let's get into a few There we go Let's get into a few more stories in depth in a blog post thursday amazon vp of global public policy at aws michael punk Said that the company supports for appropriate legislation surrounding the use of facial recognition technology by law enforcement to ensure Uh to ensure civil rights are not being violated This follows a similar declaration from microsoft last month saying it discourages the use of technology to engage in unlawful discrimination and encourage Encourages consumers to be transparent about its use Snubs, what do you think this is obviously a hot button issue that has a lot of ramifications? What what do you think about amazon stance on this? Yeah, it's absolutely a big thing with a lot of ramifications just like you said and The problem that I see with this is How are they going to make sure that this doesn't happen? Because we've seen discrimination happen with facial recognition technology even though companies say that it's not going to be biased We've seen this kind of information happen before. So how are they going to? Make sure that this doesn't happen in the future as compared to what we've already seen in the past You know, I think part of it is these tools are only as good as the algorithm that they are using to keep track of it And that that to me is the conversation that we need to have Specifically when it comes to education because as soon as this gets into a legal situation, it's it's going to be beyond Uh nuance it's going to be about You know, uh, swinging the big hammer and making a corrective decision And yet I don't know if we are quite as savvy as we should be or need to be about understanding These algorithms that are being used Now I do appreciate that they said, you know with nuke technology just like anything else in the world You know, you shouldn't ban it. You shouldn't condemn it immediately Because of potential misuse because it's the same thing with like information security There's a lot of potential misuses that you can have I apologize for the background noise My cat's using the litter box, but that it's still going to be an issue So you shouldn't ban it or you know, just outright say that it's not necessarily because facial recognition can be a good thing We just have to make sure that it's it's protecting, you know, civil rights and it's making sure that In the future, we're not seeing Going to protect civil rights. I I do think that it can not discriminate. Oh, yeah. Yeah Definitely the big kid. Maybe I'm taking it a step too far Yeah, I don't think it needs to be a robocop situation But it is a good thing that amazon is making this stance and I'm hoping that them being that they're such a large large company That other Companies also take that same similar stance because they see it as a positive movement In in society and for their business as well Agreed So moving on google announced its open sourcing its bug finding infrastructure cluster fuzz on github Fuzzing is a term for automated software testing process that inputs invalid Unexpected or random data into a computer program, which is monitored to see exceptions like crashes and memory leaks Cluster fuzz is google's cloud based in implementation that runs on 25 000 cores that was launched in 2012 Two years ago the company offered cluster fuzz as a free service to open source projects Now I think that this is Very exciting because a lot of times what you see with these open source tools once they are open sourced You see a lot of growth and engagement with them, especially from a security standpoint As well With the software tools this makes people's jobs a lot faster so that they can better protect the companies that they are working for And um, they even mentioned in the article here that cluster fuzz has already helped Uncover more than 16 000 bugs in chrome alone and more than 1000 or 11 000 bugs In over 160 open source projects with oss fuzz, which is the integration of it So just the fact that they are doing this is is huge It's very very positive and i'm really glad that they are opening this up to the oss community Much like writing a typo in a tweet Everything is best done in public because the flaws will be found Far faster than if you aren't left to do it yourself I think this is a very smart decision by google to open source it and and put it on github where These are you know, this is this is the the Place that everybody finds these kinds of products and and exactly And something to mention too with github is a lot of times with these open source tools You'll see really cool forks Which is to say that you'll you'll see the software But it'll be forked out into a brand new piece of software that will be used for something similar But maybe even something even better So we might see some really awesome growth with cluster fuzz in the future And we might even hear a lot about other tools that are made that make it even better So we will see um speaking about unintended Features tech crunch reports that many ios apps use services like glass box That record the screen when customers use the apps in order to replay them to observe interactions to improve the interface Mobile expert the app an analyst recently discovered that air canada's ios app wasn't properly masking these recordings Meaning personal info like passport and credit card numbers were being sent in the recordings tech crunch requested The app analysts to look at other apps and found that while most do properly mask data None indicated that the recordings were being made Theoretically this is because all the information is already being shared with the company Through the app. So they know what you're doing. They know what buttons you're pressing They know the time in which it is taking between you doing x y or z They have the vast majority of this data coming through Yet it's being recorded on your screen as well as that crossing a line snubs 100 yes Justin i think it is they say that theoretically the information is already being shared It's already available to the company but the company shouldn't be able to follow your actions from step one to step two in such a very um Such an invasion of privacy I wouldn't want somebody like looking over my shoulder and watching everything i'm doing when I open my email Like that's just not something that I want to have happen. I'm not necessarily trying to hide something in particular But it's just you can you can you can understand where companies would want the data from a quality assurance perspective, right? They want to make apps better They want to make the app more intuitive anytime that you run through an app that was garbage You would wish that they had understood your intuitive behavior better and this is Seems like a a push toward that But I do think that there is a line between getting all the data on how people are interacting with your service And recording the screen which you're not masking, you know And see there's an absolute place for that kind of usage like take when my mom wants to use log me in Uh in or I want to use log me in to test my mom's computer I want to make sure that she's using it correctly and figure out why she's having an error Like there's a time and a place for that but the fact that glass door And I quote they say that they don't enforce their customers to mention it In in their privacy policies or anything So these companies aren't making it clear to their users that they're doing this Whenever they want if they just made it available so that you know If you have some kind of usage report or an error report and they say hey We're gonna record your screen session so we can see why this is happening That would make a lot more logical sense to me But the fact that they can just do this whenever they want and they don't have to tell you That's the messed up part. And that the other thing is that when when we talk about okay. Well, these companies already have this information Yes, and And that you are You know Showing that kind of info you don't know how long these employees are going to be at that company the companies are not just these You know Unified bodies that move all together. They're like any other job people come people go Some people are trustworthy others aren't and I don't want to make this a fearmongering thing But I do think that it is the reason why we should put caution Uh in the lead in questions like this Absolutely Well italy We have a story on italy They will not ban huawei in zte from helping build the country's 5g network The industry ministry said in a statement today earlier on thursday the italian newspaper lastampa cited senior government sources saying that Rome was ready to use special powers to terminate contracts With the two chinese companies So this is part of an ongoing story that we've seen with huawei and zte being banned in Numerous countries and given that italy had previously stated that you know, they were going to This is kind of a turnaround. So we are we are seeing Finally one one country specifically that has decided that they're still going to Allow huawei and zte to help build that infrastructure Of course the controversy here and and we are no uh exception here in the united states is that Companies like huawei and zte are thought of by many although we can certainly have a conversation about exactly what the evidence is That these are that that a 5g network with a backdoor to the chinese government effectively gives up everything Like we are going to be pushing toward more and more 5g access because of the speeds and and throughput that it has So if you have a back end on that you literally have a back end for every possible interaction with the internet And huawei and zte are are certainly suspected even even down to the point where we're looking to extradite uh You know a senior official from huawei here to the united states for Uh, I guess interacting with iran improperly and and that's the thing we have seen stories and we have seen a lot of A a lot of I I guess people thinking on what this could be that's happening behind the scenes But we haven't seen anything officially come out with source material with information that we can actually you know Uh read ourselves that states that they have done any of those things however, there have been cases very recently where huawei has been Found to be be doing things that they should have been doing It's hard because if you are chinese intelligence the last thing that you want to do is be like, oh, yeah, sure Here's our back door. Here's everything on spying on the world We're gonna below market price 5g infrastructure and we're gonna make sure that we are the lowest bid for every country on the planet Well, I'm always of the standpoint of innocent until proven guilty, especially because I I remain skeptical But I based that on on proof material So I'm still waiting to see that proof material. Yeah I'm sorry. Go ahead Roger. I was gonna part of it is there's a there's a confluence of events that are happening that aren't They're related but not necessarily the same thing the thing with the huawei cfo Is for essentially fraud to us financial institutions that happen, I think three or four years ago Before the current administration and so You know, it's a case that's been brewing for some time and it and while it's related to the whole 5g thing It is not because of the 5g thing directly at least in in the court case. No, certainly not although certainly when it comes to gigantic businesses in china of many things are connected to You know the the the party and the government so it look I I agree with the skepticism I'm totally on board there, but I think this might be a situation where we can exercise a little bit of caution, you know Uh, the financial times reports, uh earnings from AT&T Comcast Verizon and charter all reduced capital expenditures in 2018 The first drop in investment in three years Net neutrality rules stopped being enforced in june of 2018 for the first time in about three years Sprint spent more than one billion dollars on infrastructure last year But told the financial times the increase was not due to change in the rules Uncertainty over the regulatory landscape may have made the change in rules irrelevant to investment decisions I don't know how much stake to put in something like this just because I I think the decisions on infrastructure for telcos are made Years in advance. This does not seem like it's something that would necessarily go on a hairpin turn I would like to see a longer sample size for this and yet I can totally understand the net neutrality Supporters saying wait a minute The whole point of this was that everybody the free market was supposed to run while we were supposed to have unlimited infrastructure spending Yeah, actually i'm probably going to surprise some people when I say this but um, I agree with you justin even though I am a very very dark net neutrality supporter and My opinions have been very well known on places like twitter as far as how I feel about the fcc and the federal level And their current dealings with net neutrality. I'm not necessarily going to say that seeing these numbers coming out from mobile carriers and coming out from telecoms Is necessarily impacted by what has happened with net neutrality or what has not happened with net neutrality We need to see a study over uh, maybe a course of a few years to really determine what's going on and Maybe see some more numbers from these companies as well I think we should keep the heat up because I don't think that these guys move unless people are yelling Hey, this was what you were supposed to do. Why aren't you doing this? Maybe we should talk more about net neutrality if you're not going to start ponying up and spending more on infrastructure Yeah, hey, you want to know what? That was a great conversation. That was nuance. That was fun And we got another one coming up for you But if you want all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right, let's get into the big discussion story in january motherboard reveal that at&t T-mobile and sprint were selling their customers real-time location data to authorize licensed companies who then resell that data to Unlicensed businesses including bail bondsmen bounty hunters and car salesmen The telcos said that these incidents uncovered by motherboard were fringe cases. However Those dogged gumshoes there at motherboard did a follow-up report and found in internal records from a defunct data reseller sir care one around 250 bounty hunters and related businesses had access to at&t T-mobile and sprint customer location data with one bail bond firm using the phone location service more than 18,000 times and others using it thousands or tens of thousands of times now Obviously this was reported before this is not exactly new news But since we had snubs here somebody that is is doing the lords work and spreading around information on exactly How insecure many of the things that we use are I thought that this would be a good opportunity For us to just have a larger conversation about not only things that we have open and accessible in our own homes But also whether or not we do need to have a conversation about Exactly how much we are broadcasting on the little miracle slates we have in our pockets known as smartphones So let's start here snubs does this surprise you that uh, uh It wasn't the telcos selling directly to bail bondsmen and bounty hunters But uh, certainly through a few middlemen Does it surprise you that this information got into the hands of car salesmen and bounty hunters? Uh, it doesn't at all. Um, I was kind of assuming that this was going to happen because as soon as they said Yeah, it's not a big deal. Like this didn't happen very often. I was like, no, there's got to be more to this The fact that they that motherboard was able to do it so easily It just tells me that if somebody else had very like a nefarious use case or You know for a bail bondsman if they really wanted to find that location data, they could Of course, they're going to especially if it's inexpensive and Some people can look at this especially the motherboard article that was posted this week and say Well, I'm just going to throw away my phone because there's no point in having one in my pocket anymore because everybody can track me And you know, no who knows what people are going to find out about me Well, there are ways that you can turn it off. So you don't necessarily have to be tracked if you don't want to So there's a lot of ways that you can implement your own security So that this doesn't happen and not only that but AT&T T-Mobile and sprint along with, you know, other carriers Google fi has said they don't even do this from the from the start, which is great But these other ones that did do it all of them have come out and said Hey, if we did do it, we are start stopping it We're slowing down that sharing of customer data and it's going to end in the spring time Or if it hasn't already ended it will end in a couple months. So hopefully they're telling the truth when they say that Sure That means that a lot of those issues that we've had are are going to end And by the way when we talk about things like 5g networks and and what kind of information would come from owning 5g networks Things like where your device is pinging off towers Which is the data that that was being gleaned here Is some of the stuff that would be available to somebody that would own them Which is part of the reason why you want to be careful about it. Now that being said Shannon do you believe that we Should on the device side either be taking more care personally or That you know android and ios and some of the other operating systems need to be taking the lead and understanding All right, but maybe you should be more aware and a lot of they should be Opt in or per use when it comes to pinging your location everywhere There's a lot to impact there. Justin. Yes. I know I asked the rich meaty questions here Well, yeah, as as much as I think that companies should hold themselves accountable for our security and privacy I also know that they they use a lot of that data Monetarily and they make a profit off of that information So I've always taken this is we are talking about the telcos here Yeah, in general really a lot of companies just use our data whether it's location data or or personal data about like voting records and stuff like that They just use that data monetarily for profit because they can sell it to data aggregators And in this case they were able to sell that data or share that data with location aggregators And that's where all this debacle started even though that was legal and that was totally fine contractually It's the point where those location aggregators We're selling it to other people And that's the problem that you have with larger companies is that you don't know where that information ends up If they legally are able to sell it once Who knows what the other people are doing with that data And if they're even securing it in the first place on their servers like there could be issues there So I always try to take a stance of if there's a way that I can protect myself better Then I'm going to do it whether it's turning off location data or like high accuracy on android I believe it's called you can just turn on gps location accuracy instead Or I'll hide my phone in a in a faraday bag or faraday purse which basically cuts off any kind of Transmissions to and from the phone whatsoever So that nothing can be seen about its location or any of the data that's coming off of it So there's a lot of things that you can do to protect yourself Because we can't necessarily trust companies to do that for us And I think that's the big thing is you just you never know how well somebody is going to protect yourself unless you're the one doing it yourself All right, we're going to move off the phone for a second here because I do want to move this a little bit further out This is not the same issue But I do think that it is related in the idea of us being better educated and understanding How interconnected and how much we are sharing online one of the things that I become fascinated with over the last few weeks Is a website called shodan Where in you can find uh, uh open ports on webcams printers And and every other internet of thing Device but just give us a primer for people who have no idea Uh, you know exactly what sites like these are snubs can just give people a little primer On the things that you can find on on a site like shodan. Yeah, so um shodan is over at shodan.io I've been to that website. It's it's totally legal. You can find it on google, which is amazing But it's a search engine that allows you to find IP addresses of devices that are Fully open and public to the internet now normally whenever you buy a device It's supposed to be closed down behind A firewall basically like like if you put it behind a Router in your house It should be behind some kind of firewall so that it's not So that its data isn't getting out into the wilderness where anybody can check check it out Well shodan makes it fairly easy for you to search online for a specific device like if you're looking for a Device manufacturer that makes cameras like security cameras You could search for those specific kinds of security cameras on shodan And then you could see which ones are publicly accessible You could click on them and you could potentially see a live stream of that camera Going straight through to your web browser Potentially definitely you can go and see people's grow houses and children And uh gardens and living rooms These are open and available. It is worth it if you have anything that is connected to wi-fi It's worth a google to see how you can secure it This is my this is my statement I'm not as good at this as I wish I was Hopefully these lessons are well heard as I know the very smart and intelligent dTNS listenership Will will take them to heart And luckily a lot of the things that you can find on shodan can be protected Some of them are just built that way with like default passwords that you just can't change and They're always going to be open and publicly accessible and you just should not buy those kind of products You should drag those to your trash and by that I don't Light your trash on fire Yeah If you're allowed to if there's a burning policy in your area that yes light them on fire if you want to But it's bad for our environment. We'll just put it like that e-cycle e-cycling is good But if you have the option then purchase one that is secure that allows for you know Upgrades that allows itself to be updated That has a security policy on their site that does third party audits That allows you to do something as simple as changing the password and potentially the username as well Things that allow you to you know, put it behind a router and still be able to access it things that should not be on the web publicly accessible There's a lot of Protocols you can take yourself again things that you can do yourself to make sure that those don't end up on sites like this Because it is a problem. It's a huge problem and a lot of those Devices that you can find on shodan can also be used in the future if they haven't already To create a bot to create ransomware or spread malware if you will across the globe So it's important to do your deal do diligence as a consumer to make sure you're buying secure products Indeed unsolicited plug for one of my favorite podcasts the dark knit diaries did a great episode The most recent one was about a hack in which somebody Email, I think we talked about it right here on this show Used shodan to find open ports on printers so he could alert people that their printers were insecure and that they should subscribe to PewDiePie Thank you for everybody who participates in our subreddit submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show Dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's go ahead and check out this mailbag here. Sam a patron in oregon emailed in I recently was enjoying a vice podcast through my favorite podcatcher pocketcast I got a few episodes in and they announced that to listen to the rest. I would have to go to spotify it was free, but I had to download the app and I didn't have to the some of the features that pocketcast says Not a big pain, but it feels like they are moving more in the direction of exclusives and keeping people in their ecosystem Keep up the good work This obviously in reference to the gimlet and anchor purchases by spotify They are certainly making a move on apple to be challenge them for the the crown of podcast listening any any this worry you snubs Uh, not too much because I do most of my podcast listening just straight through youtube However, that in itself is its own ecosystem So I I wish that these all these apps were fully integrated where I could watch the podcast on youtube Yeah, I do Like through the app like the mobile app or I can understand it in in in the desktop, but you just play it And is it it's just like a star screen or is it? Audio podcasts that get uploaded to youtube that way I don't have to download another application because I do most of my work on youtube So it's easier that way I would encourage people if you enjoy podcast, please subscribe to their rss feeds because that's how That's how they are able to to have metrics for uh, uh advertising and such But certainly if they're uploading them to youtube like youtube has metrics All right, well, I'm trying not to have a talk with you, uh, but in the in the meanwhile, uh, shannon Thank you so much for being on the show. What do you got cooking? Well on my youtube channels Techthingtekthing.com, uh, that's where we just reviewed this gigantic ultra wide monitor. It's 48 inches wide. It was huge And very beautiful. 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I believe yeah, I believe it in the kevin smith joint Um, if you could stop your record, um, yeah But while he does that let's go pick a title at show about that chat road dot net Uh, some of the titles that we have how do we protect ourselves? I record your iphone Um, Amazon facial recognition civil rights rights, uh, might be too long Actually, it is too long google's google's open cluster fuzz That's funny AT&T sees what you did there Um Does everything either speed nor safety? Kentucky still has bourbon location Oh god I thought we were gonna do it. I thought I had faith in you people I thought we were going to get a show Without time on it, but the number one voted title wouldn't be a show without merit But yet you live viewers you devilish sons of bees You did it you did it again Number one a show without merit. I swear one of these days how zapped to the moon Zapp indeed Uh location data bounty New accessory fairday bag for your smartphone Any of those tickle thy fancy, uh, shannon or justin I like data like location data bounty. I think there's something to bounty hunter thing. That would be my my favorite, but, uh Uh, other than that I record your iphone is pretty good Get out of jail free data. I don't know if that really makes sense I like google's open cluster fuzz and I record your iphone Yeah, I I'll I'll I'll go with shannon here with the google's open cluster fuzz fuster fuzz it is Uh, and I am uploading right now to the slot Um So, uh Shannon Wow, how did you did you like pre-record all your stuff before you went to new zealand or did you record out there? Yeah, well, I took the two weeks off from threat wire. So I just didn't record anything for threat wire and then um And I was just like hey patreon's i'm gonna be gone and they were like hey, that's cool. No problem And I was like wow you guys are amazing. Thank you. I love you So they let me take the time off work, which was fine and then um tech thing Since that show is per week on patreon. I we pre-recorded those shows um, so that patrick wouldn't miss out on that income or anything and then um And then people kept on getting shows every week. So yeah, I had to pre-record Let's see the week before I left for new zealand. I did three videos in the week for three times Which is a lot of work. So I worked really late hours that week Yeah, you know, so I got a I got a trip. I'm gonna main ash.  Well, how do I Yeah, do everything because I do a lot of stuff. I mean that's gonna be two night attacks. That's gonna be uh 10 episodes of jury daily that's uh six episodes of well, I guess even Wow eight episodes of The politics podcast like I I have a fairly high Burn rate. Yeah Yeah, I'm trying to think like I mean do I need to start working on this like now and stockpiling stuff But a lot of the when do you leave? May and okay. Yeah, well for things that aren't like time sensitive like you could do interviews or You could do like I don't know Not news newsy videos. You could do like wrap up Yeah, I've agreed. I'm actually I'm actually kind of thinking like I don't know if I want to try like a guest host. Well, I was about to say like you are doing what tom Uh, it's with tom at zero way. You're essentially doing that. You're filling in. Is there anyone That you feel confident enough see that's the problem is that I do everything by myself all the ones that are really a pain in the butt I'm doing by myself You know what tom had that same issue and you know slowly I mean, that's why I'm here and and sarah is is great to have Because you know in case he has to go out or he wants to take a vacation He's not like oh my god. What am I gonna do things can still kind of roll on Um, and it doesn't necessarily interrupt the flow of the show as we all know, you know Be able to coax tom into doing something for the politics podcast I know he listens and that would be a joy To to do but I don't know if there's any way that I could put The weight of doing some of the the more frequent things that I do on the shoulders of somebody that already does their own Daily program. I feel like that would just be uh, I would be ashamed to even ask How much how much production work do you need to do on that show? Like it's more prep It's it's way more prep than it is Uh, uh editing or anything like really all I've I've radically stepped my game up in the new year And it effectively just means that I'm running noise processing through partition Uh, it's not a tremendous amount of time afterward, but it is it's solo show which that's that's the other thing is that I'm I talk unbroken for an hour and that's having gone through that Like doing it as live It's not a skill that I think is is easy to have and that's not me patting myself in the back This is me understanding that I've walked myself into a lobster trap Uh, where now nobody else can kind of do this show that I can just ask to kind of You know wake up out of bed and do it I would definitely consider like maybe not for all of your shows But maybe just taking the week off because stressing yourself about doing shows right before vacation is really really hard Especially like going into it and then you're still stressing about making sure that it goes out on time and everything Like that's really hard to deal with when you're trying to deal with the vacation Yeah, more more than likely there will probably be missed jury episodes Um Yeah, your fans will understand like I'm like I'm supporting you on patreon I'm still going to support you on patreon whether you do or when that week or not Well, just and I was going to say as a listener to the the jury daily if you were to Uh do something somewhat like you did when uh when you went to the conventions and when you went to England where you just recorded something on your phone about what's going on right then kind of shared that experience Um that I thought that was really genuine and really interesting And if you could do that recording and just get it to someone else do the actual publishing of it You know little editing and publishing and all you would be responsible for would be the five ten minutes to record something while you're Actually actively doing something else and I think For me as a member of your audience, I would be More than happy with that even if it wasn't exactly daily Yeah That's actually more of a philosophical question because having done Having kept the the plate spinning while on vacation before in italy and in japan I I kind of wanted to make sure that This trip. I was not doing anything. I had to do like that. I wanted to be able to Disconnect and enjoy uh, you know italy is a place that I've long wanted to go and and uh I'll be meeting some people there So it's like I really want to connect and I don't want to be I know me And I know that I'm going to get to a point where at some point I'll be stressing that I can't find a cafe with appropriate wi-fi or 5g to upload something or um You know, I just don't want to be walking through the coliseum and thinking. Oh, is this good content? like should I should I be recording how uh, uh, How amazing this stuff is Like I I I don't want to rope off myself doing anything while I'm out there because I'm sure I will I like doing content. I will want to do it But I want to make it spontaneous and not like I like I have a news hole to fill So I don't know. Uh, I guess that that's that's a long way of saying wow. Wow. Wow. Aren't I a baby? I have Do podcasts while I'm on vacation boo-hoo Well, I mean What you you just like I don't we don't get pto. We don't get time off work We're expected to have videos out every week and I think that when when you explain that to people they understand Um, yeah, I know and I'm also a crazy person and part of it is like I I like I I have a very Uh, I I just trust vacation. I don't like it. I don't want you to get burnout, dude. Well, I but sure I I don't know.  I know but It's not that easy like I literally if I'm if I just said I'm dark all of it. I'm done with all of it I'm not doing any I'm not doing any politics. I'm not doing any Uh, uh anything then effectively I am I don't even want to count it up, but it would be over It would be close to 30 podcasts that I wouldn't do and 10 newsletters That I wouldn't do I'm doing a lot of stuff. It's like that's a lot. It's one thing. It's like, I'm not gonna do my show Cool, but I'm I'm gonna say that to a lot of different people Yeah, that's a lot of work So, um, um, uh, anyway, well, what's man, what happened with that state of the union? Uh Why is sarah not roger answer for sarah since she's not here, uh, how is she not How does she not have the air buds on here? Yeah, maybe sarah stepped or drudger stepped away Oh, I think roger's muted Sorry, I'm muted. I'm muted. Yeah, um I was typing upset. Why is it not I think I think those are just the choices they picked Like they they selected like these are the three that I like I know she personally did not Wasn't a fan of the earbuds. Yeah, so she was looking for an alternative Alternative, yes, what are they called? They're called air buds, right? I have them Air buds just makes me think of a gold retriever making baskets. Yeah, okay Make you wear air pods You cowered That's my comment on the patriot Use use the buds Yeah, but for you wear air pods you cowered There we go sent that's I'm officially spamming the dts patreon All right, um, you guys want to take this offline? Uh, yeah, oh wait. Yes, let uh say goodbye to the uh viewers on the youtube stream Thank you for joining us everyone else on the audio stream stand by as we yak some more. Yes