What else do you even stop and say goodbye 2023 and then make a flapping sound? Yeah. Oh. Just off. Go away. I'm making a new friend. I have no friends. His name is 2024 and we're going to see if he sucks balls or not and we're going to find out. Hey 2024, are you chill and he's just looking at you with a cap of face, that's what it would be. Please be chill. You wouldn't lie to us, would you 2024? Yeah. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't set us up for incredible and insane disappointment after all we've been through. Yeah, what's funny too is 2022, our coverage ended with Ragnarok and Andal. They're just like nice. Not bad. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's quite neat. Yeah. So hello chat. Definitely ending on a high note. Welcome. Everyone. To the live stream. Yeah. Wait, this is live? I'm sorry. What you just said is now everyone knows about it. Aw man, I'm going to get in trouble. How are you two feeling after your little streaming streams there? You doing all right? Good. You find your computers all right? You making it do okay? It was funny.  Something like 30 plus shots or whatever and it's like yeah, but nine hours. So it's, you know what I mean?  I am very aware. What you do to get hyper drunk, metal does it between shots. Because I've had like, I've had shots and stuff of liquor at parties and events and things and that stuff, like it hits me like a freight train. I would be dead. That would. In some ways become a zombie at the end. I just be making noises from off screen as I'm slumped on the floor and then I would just pass out and cry for Boromir again. In some ways I'm jealous in others. I am not. It's a give and take, you know, it's a exchange risk reward or something, but I fully recommend getting hyper drunk and playing Simpsons and run to anyone out there. Oh, yeah. Bloodborne less so because it's difficult. I can't wait for that Supercode so I can finally know what I said all evening. Yeah. It'll reveal to you the secrets of the stream. Anyway, welcome to EFAP number two hundred and sixty five. Yeah. Like it's a question. You wrote it down. Hmm. What are you saying it like it's a question? I said it. Two, six, five. Yeah, I said it. You okay? Do you do inspect every single thing about the way I say words? You're right, bud. The one who's taking 44 shots. Yeah. Sit down. Anyway, we got a guest today. A wonderful newbie to EFAP anyway, but it's been recommended. I think in Superchats about 10 billion times though, we did it. That's that's exclusively why we bring these people on because we hate them, but we know that you guys want to see them. I'm fine. They always hit us by the end of the stream. Yay. That's how it's done. That's how you do it correctly. Any good podcast, but welcome to EFAP patrician TV. How you doing? Good. Thank you. Thank you. I've been recommended to come on this show since I basically started getting views. Hmm. When I released my Morrowind video, it was like the same day that Hbomber guy did a fallout New Vegas video. So I was getting comments from his viewers and I was getting comments from your viewers. That was fun. In parallel. The Venn diagrams of those are interesting circles there. Yeah. I had a long battle with Hbomber guy. The meme is like Matthew Matosis makes a ridiculously long video. Hbomber guy responds to a ridiculously long video. I responded to that with a ridiculously long video and all of them get longer as it goes. There's a few of those in relation to I think fallout as well. There's YouTubers who've responded to each other over and over again and it's just that. Yes. There's a five part rabbit hole all three discourse. I think in total is about 32 hours long. Did they manage to answer the question of whether or not the game is good? No, they just go back and start insulting each other's character. So far we've settled on baby. We're getting there. Fallout 3 is one of the games of all time. It truly is. It's one of the first games of its kind that I ever played. It was back on the Xbox 360 when it came out. It was one of the first games I just sort of lost myself in. Because I guess I was a little late to the party when it came to video games. But I'll never forget it. For better or worse, I'll never forget my experience playing fallout 3. Which is weird because I have a similar thing of I was late to games, joined in a GameCube properly. I played Game Boy before that, but I don't really consider that like as extensive as jumping into all kinds of genres. But at the same time, fallout 3 was the first of those types of games that I played. And I remember softlocking myself and cursing the game forever. I thought Bethesda would ever make their game softlockable. That doesn't sound like the tight design that they're known for. Yeah, it was rather upsetting. And I remember a friend of mine would be like, you didn't make any additional saves. And I was like, why should I have to? That doesn't make any sense. So I got to do two saves at a time. He was like, kind of. No, quite a bit more than two saves. Yeah.  It's like making a deal with the devil sort of. The devil is known to be like to... I guess there's two interpretations of the devil. One of them is that he's the Prince of Lies and the other is that he follows his deals to the letter perfectly. And that's how he tricks you. So Bethesda games are kind of like both of those simultaneously. So it feels to play them. And apparently that hasn't changed over the course of what? Like 20 years? How long has it been since their first game that was relatively popular? What, Marwan was 20 years old now? Marwan came out in 2002. Yeah, I did a 20th anniversary video in 2021, 2022 somewhere in there. Wow. I think the plan... The plan today is to try and look over the year of 2023 and judge it. Let's see if it was any good or any bad. I'm already looking at what we're going to be talking about.  It'll be funny. It'll be funny to remember everything that's happened because it really does feel like some of these things. I'm like, oh, that was when that was? Yeah, when you got it in a big pile, when you check and then you remember, oh, yeah, that was this year. Oh, that was this year. Yeah, I'm kind of like that too. I have a bad... I'm not good at putting dates to things. I'm terrible at it. What year did this game come out? What year did this movie come out? It was between the last couple years. It's tough to kind of keep it all straight. So I had to get a list. I barely remember when my videos come out. I'm kind of to say about that. Oh, yeah. What we'll do then is between myself... You want to organize like we go movies, then TV shows, then games. I was going to do all of it. Just running on all of it. Because we will be bouncing between movies and TV from just looking at our history of the year for sure. With some games thrown in, of course, for good measure. I love games. Well, I will start at what is absolute zero in the story of the new year to new year. Which is... Remember our New Year's stream last year? Yeah, I do remember. No, I literally don't. Tell me about it, Mother. Oh, it was so great and fun. We got everyone together and we just celebrated. Had some drinks. Talked about the past, the 2022, I guess, at that time. What a year. Joy and happiness. A famous episode that everyone loves and I'm sure is representative of a brilliant start to a wonderful year. Well, that's all that needs to be said about that, so I guess I can move on to the first thing we covered. Do you know what our first coverage was of 2023? No, I don't. It was defending the assessment that... Oh, no, wait, sorry. That was the second thing. The last onion. Oh, no. The last onion came out at the end of last year, didn't it? Well, the thing is I'm not necessarily going perfectly by timeline on that one. Just whatever comes after our last New Year's party, you know? Right. Because, yeah, I remember the last onion being the end of the year.  I really hate onions. And this movie is... Well, alright. This movie has further solidified my hatred for onions. I despise them in virtually all of their forms. Onion powder can be okay, but at that point it's not even like an onion. Rags, onions make sense. You know, they make sense. They have layers. They're like a food. You know, they make sense. Glass onion doesn't make sense, so I don't know why it would further your hatred for an unrelated food. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding when I say glass onion is actually one of the competitors for the first film of all time. Competition is so stiff. Yeah. It's not hyperbolic.  It's so awful. Yeah. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. It's not a foul movie. It's so awful. They're very... it is made more painful by what Rags said. The conversations surrounding those films. Yes. You can't have real conversations about Ryan Johnson films.  I can't believe he's gone away with it three times. He's kinda like an inverse Studer, in a way? While you can't have real conversations with his film as well? and they kind of run with that instead of really looking into what the thing actually is. Oh, I guess I get what you mean. I don't know about it feels like it's not contrarianism for it's contrarianism to not like his gloss out like gloss gloss out knives movies because that's what that's a common sentiment is he's a bad match for Star Wars but otherwise he's a good storyteller. Well, you don't know how many layers of irony a person's operating upon. You really don't it's the ultimate internet shield. There are people who are there are people who will try to be contrary to the contrarians and they'll loop back to the original position. Well, I was going to say was the safety but three times he's gotten away with like the assessment being you guys didn't realize that's on purpose like when you point out something that's really retarded and it's like, wow, that is like, all right. Okay. I would love to hear a thought about that.  He's like, what? What do you mean? It's all about phrasing. It's really hard to make it work. It's like, you know, you failed horribly because you would say like, yes, it is subversive on purpose. It does challenge the ideas of blowing up.  That's what he wanted to do. Hey, man, you know, he has the character say, it's just dumb. In case it's all justified and now make a third one and get paid millions and millions and millions of dollars. Yeah, it'll be on the way. We'll check it out. We'll deal with that. Anyway, the I guess partner to that would be the next episode we did, which was checking out Pillar of Garbage's video on Critical Drinker on Glass Onion because that was a really bad video. It was awful. He called him like a liar who's trying to like destroy discourse about films that he personally takes issue with because of and then like would try and make it political and stuff.   Why are you ruining everything? And I'm sorry, Glass Onion was pretty bad. That's kind of just the conclusion. Yeah, I mean, and then when they destroying the Mona wasn't that that was a thing that came out recently, right? That Daniel Craig like was kind of hesitant about the whole Mona Lisa thing and like that they had a conversation about it.  It's it's really hard to defend burning the Mona Lisa. You have to burn civilizations, prize works of art to own the rich, only everybody will because the thing about it as well is it's in in you know, like there there's a context which you could burn the Mona Lisa and it would be a good event in a film.  He sat down and thought about it for a long time and you were very talented. You might be able to come up with something. Yeah, maybe, you know, it's like like in in being when he destroys the painting and then draws the funny.  But the reason why I brought it up is because that was what Ryan Johnson cited. He cited that film. Oh, why they could do it.  So I can't. Oh, yeah. Mr. Bean was suitably horrified by the by what he had done. Yes. And then do you remember the do you remember the reaction? I come over to his name, the actor's name, or the character's name. Rowan Atkinson. No, no, no, no, the guy, the other guy, the other guy in the movie, the other the American guy. The American guy living with. Oh, he told him about the the Janet, the guy, whatever. Is he a janitor? I don't know.  Oh, that guy. Sorry, I threw him a glass of onion again. I was like, OK, yeah, no, he's from Ali McBeal. I forgot his name. But yes, I know you're talking about. And yes, his reaction is hilarious. Yeah. But it's just funny that he looked at that as like, yeah, that's what we did. Yeah. Yeah, that would be a good splice. I think his reaction to Whistler's mother's desecration but with the Mona Lisa scenes. But oh, God, Jesus.  Edward Norton. Yeah. Jeez, really.  Absolutely. Yeah. And all of those fuckers going away for perjury. So proud of themselves that convince themselves to be good guys after the whole building explodes and they all miraculously survive. Man, remember as well, the imagery of all the houses exploding. I'm pretty sure the pillar garbage guy said, like, there's no reason to believe anyone would be hurt. That's not a reason to believe. Man, your explosion's going to hurt. Nah, it'll be fine. There's like a little breeze in the wind, you know? Yeah, just air that moves really quickly. Come on. Yeah. So I guess the way I could try and do this is by saying. Wow. That's that's I was going to say, maybe pass it over to you. You're going to have more than I am, probably. So the next the next thing, the first big thing that we were covering this year was the last of us because that came out in January. That was the first one. Well, it depends on your definition, Marie, because we also covered Velma before that. Oh, that was really early, wasn't it?  But I'm pretty sure Velma is only 12 days into the new year. So it took a lot of days to come up with something that was worse than She-Hulk. What a new year was. Yeah, Mindy was determined to ruin the year early for all of us. I completely forgot about that show. Well, season two is coming out soon, so you'll have to remember it again. It got a season, too.  You guys can all do that. I just remember all the tweets. I was like, this is the most watched cartoon on, where does it come out on HBO? Lies. The actual drag was, it was weirdly more specific. It was something like this is the top-ranked premiere viewing for an HBO original Max anime. Yeah, yeah. I was like, how many qualifiers do you need to pile in a box to get that figure? It was basically the only one. No, it's not because of that. Yeah, it's like saying Hitler is the top, is the most well-known furor of the Third Reich. Yeah. Like, that is true. That's quite an accolade. We also had done the trailer reaction for Mandalorian, so that's on the way, you know? Yes, that was in March. People were very excited, I think. Because, yeah, I was going to say, some of these I can't know for sure, because the first episode of The Last of Us was an hour for us, as in like the final thing, so it took a while to edit. So it could have been, you know, the timelines are all this, that, and the other. I'm just going by our releases. But yeah, Velma, we watched two episodes and we decided we would never watch anything to do with it ever again. Yep, pretty horrific. That was really bad. There's nothing like it. There's really nothing like it. Fowl, it's a good word for it. Fowl, stay away from it. Good luck on season two, Mindy. I believe in you. They can't be worse. Oh, don't give them a ten. Because they haven't raped Scooby-Doo in a ditch yet, so there's still plenty of, say, cows, dogs, whatever, left to sacrifice. It was funny as well. Velma killed Eve, I was like, it is one of the few things that we would just like, no, absolutely no more. No. Anyway. We made the right decision. We made the right decision. I saw you guys coverage. I was like, I'm not going to touch that show ever. No, it's not. Horrific. It's radioactive. It's the elephant's foot of media. At the best of times. Which does push us to the last of us, I guess, then. That was really good. Yeah, it was really good. It was very, very pleased with the last of us. We were lucky to get an adaptation that was even close to the game, as opposed to what all of the options it could have been. We were worried throughout it. If anyone's familiar with our coverage of it, it was anxious, just constantly. Myself and for any of you very familiar with the game, so constantly knowing exactly, and we had John with us who, he's pretty familiar with it, right? The game? I don't remember, yeah. And they made changes, most notably probably, that they're both playing off-visions of the game. They're not quite one-to-one with the game, the two of them, Joe and Ellie. That was the big Kansas arc that wasn't in there. Like it was a remix and mostly original. Plus new backstories for a few characters. Obviously kind of a different structure. So it was like pretty close, but also some notable deviations. But I don't know how this has happened, because I've been super-chatted on other streams as well, but we're back to people claiming Bella Ramsey can't act at all. I'm confused. I thought we killed that myth. We were also back to it being mid. It's a mid-show. It's not very good. We are... Wait, does mid mean not very good? I never know what mid actually means. Mid means average. Well, it's better than average. She is an insult, but... In any case, just on Bella Ramsey, I think it was episode four that we were like, oh, shit, she can act really well, actually. Yeah, it took a little while for her to get there, I think, but I think a lot of that isn't necessarily her fault, it's the material. But clearly... The first three episodes were... It was by episode four that it felt like we were starting to focus in on that core pair, you know, like Joe and Ellie. Whereas the first three episodes, there was a lot of Joel stuff. There was a lot of building up the world. There was obviously the big episode three that weren't in that one much at all. Yeah. Right, yeah. But particularly the cannibals and the finale we were quite happy with, they were very good. Yeah. It was, you know, you get your normal stuff as stretches and plot armor and everything, but as TV shows go, it's scored pretty well, considering. Yeah. And it's one of the average shows of 2023. I definitely wouldn't want to re-roll the dice of fate to get another crack at it. I'm very happy. I don't want to like re-litigate the arguments. We talked about it during our coverage. Mm-hmm. Like... My assumption is that everyone's preparing to hate season two, and so it'd rather not be attached.  And I'm just like, I just think we should be clear and appreciate season one for what it is before season two ruins everything, if it does. Yeah. How much of that is rooted in what the director has said online? Some of the controversial takes going around.  I remember there was that interview that he did where he was talking about the loss of us as if it was like the first video game ever to have a story. He also said they went for experience, not for fun. I may be paraphrasing him, but he is in that camp of game director who very much wants to be in the film industry more than... Oh, are you talking about Neil? Yeah, Neil Druckmann's reputation is dead at this point with online people.  Like, why do you want to make video games when you... Well, so a lot of it is that they just failed out of the film industry, and we got stuck with them. The refuse of the film industry came to games. It's like, oh, no. And he's worth mentioning too that the... It had a lot wicking against it, and the show was nowhere near as bad or as inaccurate as expected. Like, that last episode, they are screwed if they accurately and faithfully adapt the loss of us too now. Oh, yeah. Because Joel was justified again. They didn't change it. Just step on the rake again. You really wonder how they're going to change it because I think they're going to change it. I think so too. There's no way they don't. They've seen all of the backlash. They've seen all of the discourse surrounding it. They've had all this time. For them to just do it again, they'd be fools. I'm gonna flip a coin and say they'll double down on what they made. That tends to be the game industry response to things. They'll just double down. I don't think they'll kill Pedro Pascal in episode one or even two. I would have thought they'd keep him. They can always bring him back in flashbacks. Well, there is that, which they will probably definitely do actually. But someone just said, better than expected doesn't mean it's good. I didn't say it better than expected is why it's good. It's good on its own. It's also better than expected. Which is better than expected. They'll double down and make Ellie kill him. This season one's safe. It's a package. You can have that whole story. Kind of like represented in a sense. And then that kind of continued with a few other cases as the year went on of like, we are Halo. I hate Halo, the show, not the game.  It makes me angry. I saw it continue. I saw it available for free and refused to watch it.  Halo was the year before, right? Halo was 2022. The reason why I'm bringing it up. No, no, wait. So before you detail, I was just going to say that like, I don't like people treating the Last of Us show like people should treat the Halo show. It's like absolutely insane that the Last of Us show would get that kind of ire. When I think it's absolutely Last of Us 2 the game and the comments from Neil Druckmann himself and like a lot of surrounding meta stuff that had everything and everyone working against the Last of Us show. It was a, it really had to struggle to earn any kind of respect, which I think was really unfair. And those people focus on every negative thing when it did so many things well. If you're curious about any of this, we've got coverage on every episode. Go check it out. Yep. That's right. We got, we do. What I was going to say was that Halo season one very much feels like it was kind of like at the tail end of what video game at. It's kind of like between- Yeah, what they used to be kind of. Video game adaptations being really embarrassed of what they were, which was really annoying. That was super lame considering that these adaptations were far and away like worse than the things that they were like worse than the IPs that they were trying to extract as much as they could from them. But like Halo exists in the middle realm of we're at a point where we will use the iconography of whatever it is we're adapting. We'll make sure that we have like the wad hogs and banshees and rifles and Spartans in armor and everything like that. But in terms of actually- The battle rifles were automatic in the show, but yeah, yeah, there's like in terms of adapting the substances like, well, no, this is still like an embarrassing stupid video game and we're moving guys, we're moving guys. It seems spiteful to me. Like they outright were just, it's like a leech. I feel like the show runners of that show were parasites who used it to tell a story that they wanted to tell and they dressed it up into some Halo imagery, but ultimately what they did with it was it was a complete and total bastardization of Halo. It was on Paramount, wasn't it? Yes. Paramount Plus. They seem to draw that kind of talent that doesn't like the source material that they adapt. What's interesting too is that I noticed in the ads on TV for Paramount Plus, they would have essentially all of the characters from all their shows and stuff like sitting on a mountaintop or whatever in front of a board. I remember that. But they'd never had any Halo characters in the commercials. Apparently the show was successful. I mean, successful enough that it's getting to season two. I really wonder if it's going to get a season three. Wasn't it always going to get a season two, though? Because even I was about to say, even if it was even worse, like, well, it's difficult, but yeah, sure, it probably still would have gotten it because Halo, it was going to be given a strong chance. Like it's a Halo TV show with a high budget. Let's go, you know? I don't know because Halo has gotten more chances than a lot of other video games considering that it's being dragged through the dirt for the last decade. But I I don't know. I think I think the sentiment is so negative towards season one that season two is probably going to be in trouble. But the point being that it's like, yeah, we'll use the iconography.  We're not doing that.  We're TV guys. We're not like those game writers who managed to make something like that. They're not the best goal objective. They also had to make a video game. Which is like mechanics and levels that like spanned across several hours. And they somehow managed to do it with a lot less money. Whereas the last of us is like it's kind of like in this newer era of we might actually like adapt the story. We might actually adapt the story that exists in the game. I mean, it's not impossible that someone who hates Halo could make something good out of a Halo adaptation. But like why even take that risk? Why are you highest of what he loves Halo? They desperately need money and Microsoft's willing to pay them. Microsoft's willing to spend money to ruin. Microsoft spends a lot of money to ruin everything. Are they not aware they could make a lot more money if they just, you know? Well, they can barely run the game studio that makes the Halo games to make good things. So it's not a surprise that they can't manage a TV show. Halo is so easy, man. Like Halo 1, you can adapt Halo 1 and break each of the main chapters of that game into an episode. We've already novelized them. Ten episode season. You can have episode one being like the intro. Remember, the first or the second episode is them arriving on Halo. The third episode is The Truth and Reconciliation. The first Halo has already had a book based around the first Halo. You would be better off adapting one of the novelizations like Fall of Reach than you would actually adapt. Well, it looks like they're about to fall. Especially the first Halo game. It looks like with season two, that's what they're about to bastardize is the fall of Reach, which is... I think the closer that gets to the games the more it's going to make me really angry now because they've ruined the framework. It's fucked. And so if they now want to start... Oh, we'll start actually pulling stuff from the games. Like, I don't want to see Arbiter now, but they're going to ruin him, I bet you. He'll be some goober.   And if they managed to get a season three, I wouldn't be surprised to be like, all right, fuck, let's try and get Johnson in now. Let's try and throw him in there and see if that can fix everything. But it won't, it's screwed. But that was 2022. I was just bringing up to say that I think that was something that 2023 feels like. And then, you know, later on with the Mario movie, it's like, okay, so, okay. And then plus like Sonic 2, kind of, which came out the year before of like, I'm not talking necessarily about quality, all right, but like, but at the very least, the whole like, maybe we should actually like, try to adapt more from the stuff that we're adapting, it was, yeah, like the Mario movie was clearly made by people who gave a damn about Mario as a franchise. Yeah. And yeah, it's like the opposite of Halo. And it was like a decent movie. I enjoyed it and had fun, but I never got that horrific, slimy taste of these people are just parading around its corpse in order to make money off its name. So that was nice. Yeah, I mean, you know, have people, like the idea that you got the one piece adaptation that did really well and people really loved combined with the Mario movie. And then you find out that there is a guiding hand or at least someone or an entity that says like, no, and yes, based on their interest and in the original IP is like, maybe have that too. Yeah. It's not gonna guarantee anything, I guess, but it just seems like a box that's worth ticking. Well, yeah, it's always a question of, do they learn the right lessons from any given thing or do they just think, oh, video game adaptations, go, go, go, go, go, go. But like, as for making sure that you get people who know what they're doing, like, I mean, Fallout's coming out pretty soon. We'll see about that one. I was gonna mention that because Todd Howard is involved in producing on the Fallout show. Oh, well, it might be good anyway. I find that really funny because I've been like telling a lot of people that and it's not gonna mean anything. It means nothing to me. That just, it just means nothing to me. Do you think the show has a design document? It probably has a more extensive one just because that's the nation, the Hollywood really can't get away with not having one compared to gaming. Yeah, you might be right there. Well, we will see. We will see. I'm interested. During. I'm not really attached to Fallout, so I don't feel like I have any investment in it, but you know, you can do a lot of cool stuff with it. Hopefully, fingers crossed. During the release of The Last of Us, we covered the triple threat of the menu, Puss in Boots, The Last Wish, and Pinocchio. Oh, Puss in Boots. That was good. Shit. Puss in Boots. We got around to them in 2023. I think all three of them are pretty cool movies. Yeah. The menu was cool, but Puss in Boots too. And I really like Pinocchio. Puss in Boots too, though. Oh. Oh, I love that movie. Puss in Boots is one of my favorite movies. I really, really love it. It kind of came out of nowhere, in a way. Like, I don't think people had these kinds of expectations for it. Certainly not after watching Puss in Boots one. That movie's meh. But then this one was like, we're gonna do all these different characters, all of these antagonists. It's gonna be emotional. It's gonna be wonderful to look at, and with a great style. It's gonna be, it's just, it's gonna have everything. It's gonna do all the stuff. It kind of has the, in a little way, it's similar to Godzilla in the sense of, they were willing to take a premise or ideas or characters and just really do all sorts of stuff with them. Just clearly a story they wanted to tell and a lot of stuff that they wanted to do. It's just wound type thematically. Like an exploration, essentially. Puss confronting his own mortality and coming out. Like, that's a really good, we've talked a lot about how, you know, deconstruction, right? Deconstruction of a protagonist and how many times it's been done really poorly over the last few years. Like, Puss and Birds would be what I point to as a really good example of how you deconstruct and then reconstruct your protagonist of he has a value system that he's been, that has been crafted over, you know, the prior stories and then that worldview was shattered and he's brought down to the low and then he has to reconstruct his value system in a way that like now deals with his new realizations and understandings about his own mortality. That's really cool. That's a really cool idea and it's done really well. And he's not even, he's not the only character who gets extensive development in the film. Oh yeah, of the one, two, three, four, arguably five antagonists and the villain, each one of them is like super interesting. Every character they're doing something with, nothing's wasted, it takes advantage of all of the opportunities that it can use. And I think it's an excellent example of how you can tell really, have very mature and nuanced messages in the show that's appropriate for children, you know? You don't have to. I'll point out and shout, it's like old Pixar, feels like it's more in keeping with old Pixar or a film that is like everybody can get something out of it. Yeah, it's willing to be mature and serious. Yeah, exactly. I mean, arguably adult themes. I wouldn't say that it is, it does have adult themes, absolutely. The scene when he meets death and then he slashes at him and then the blood. When I saw the blood. Actual blood. Yeah, wriggling down from like his head. When I saw that, I was like, oh, oh, oh. All right, all right. Yeah, especially because there's a lot of jokes in the scene before that. Yeah, well, it's just a very sort of harsh but to reality here.  But the fact that it hits so many of the really basic fundamentals of character introduction, which it sounds like damning with faint praise to say that not much modern media does that anymore. But just something simple, like introducing your nominal hero, your protagonist, showing him being incredibly skillful, as we all know he is, in order actually to big up the villain, not to big up the protagonist. So that you've shown him being incredibly skillful. So all you have to do to give the villain a sense of real potency is just then to show the protagonist who you've just seemed to be skillful being in fear of this person who hasn't even yet done very much to, you know, you don't have to have a villain which goes around destroying planets to get the impression the villain is a strong and powerful thing.  He's afraid of him. Therefore we know he's a villain. And it sounds really basic and simple, but then we're coming up to February, compare Death's introduction in Puss in Boots to Kang's introduction in the MCU, which is like the complete opposite. Ooh, we're not talking about him anymore. We're, I don't know. Who is that? It's the complete opposite depiction there, right? Because Kang is killed off in both of his first two appearances by pretty incompetent people. And the villain, well, the first villain you encounter in Puss in Boots is just the complete opposite in the way it's introduced, the way it's written. It's so solidly done. And from the solid foundation, you can then go and do genuinely really interesting things. But getting the basis right is the most important thing that film did, I think. Yeah, you can tell me things about people or organizations, but if I never see it and you never show it to me, then I just won't believe you. Puss in Boots. Puss in Boots. It's another, I don't know how good that film is though, the fact that, you know, it's not just that it's surprisingly good for a Puss in Boots film. It's the fact that it can still come up as a positive reference a year later. And it probably will still continue to come up. Like this time next year, you'll still get people saying, oh, Puss in Boots actually did this particular thing really, really well. And it's gone down as quite a, I don't know if it'll be timeless, but it's certainly got a lot of longevity and it's used as like a positive comparison to all of the shit media that's around. I don't see why I would forget this film. I don't be happy to rewatch it around so long. Yeah. It was a joy to rewatch.  It gets better on a rewatch. We're talking a lot about this 2022 movie. Wow. Let's not talk about good things. I already explained it's EFAP and the years. Our year year involved this because we are late to a lot of stuff. We were late to our cane. That's right, 2023 did contain the memories of puts and boots the last. This is when we discovered it. So it's our 2023. 2023 makes us reflect on our mortality. So it's very thematically appropriate. Yeah. I don't know what it is, the blood. They really made it feel. It's bright. It's very bright and conspicuous. And it's almost subtle as well in his hands.  They just did a very good job making it real.  The main character is bleeding. And it's like, everyone can bleed in action scenes.  But this one felt like it was like, am I about to die?  Absolutely. And yeah, just him getting terrified. Really good choice. Nice and bold and I'm glad they did it. I think it's something we don't talk about that much, but like give kids a little bit more reddit, make some more serious stories involved. It's been used as a weird shield for things that are supposed to be for children. It's like, it doesn't matter, it doesn't make any sense. It's for children.  We've got Lion King, we've got the Great Mouse Detective. Wow, I mean, it's just like, The Incredibles has a, there's like a lot of that film that as a kid, you might not like understand or notice, you know? Like The Incredibles in particular, feels like it's got a lot of, I guess, more mature like themes and elements in it. And that film came out 20 years ago. Yeah, I think we'll pop this on. It's like, because it used to be sort of understood that, you know, kids don't tend to take themselves to see the films of the cinema, for example. So you have to give the parents who are taking them something to resonate with as well. The difference is that I think we've sort of started to assume that the parents themselves are children. So children's media now, like, yeah, you get the constant deflection in any video on anything that is perceived as being for kids. Well, it's just kids entertainment. What did you expect? No, it's like, it's the most important entertainment is kids entertainment. It's more important than adult entertainment is because these are the kids who will grow up being, you know, they are formative experiences based on the media that they are shown by their parents. If you want better media today, or if you want better media in 30 years, show your kids better media today. Because if they grow up watching like modern Marvel stuff, then in 30 years, you're going to get at best modern Marvel stuff. Like you want kids to have really great experiences with media and adults, ideally, can take something from the same because a lot of these things, the Incredibles has been brought up, Person Boots is another example.  They are approachable, but they actually get to cover a lot of stuff that nominally serious entertainment either thinks is below it or just doesn't think is worth rehashing. It's interesting to look at, like, if you look at, you know, during the golden age of Pixar, that, like, all of those films have, like, some sort of central message or idea that they're bound by. And it's like, it feels like a lot of those films, that it was, the focus was we've got, like, one very specific point or idea that we want to revolve around rather than getting too lost in, like, four or five or six, like a whole bunch of different, like, themes and sub-themes and stuff like that, that these stories were wound really tight in terms of the core objectives that they had. Partly because, like, the simpler you can make it, the easier it is to grass-sprite for kids if you can just present, like, one really strong theme that they can walk away from it with.  You compare it to, like, Wish. What's that film about? What's that one got to say? I'm sure it's about being true to yourself or something. I'm sure. Because we talk about Sludge a lot, right, with these different films as if it doesn't apply as well to the equivalent for kids as movies they'll never remember versus movies that will be downright formative and inspirational to their later years. So, you know, like, a Puss and Boots could encourage them for a long time to be courageous while watching Wish. I don't know what to take. I'm not gonna, like, pretend like I watched it. So it's just, like, a mess from what I gather about. In terms of the message, it's trying to get across in that film that everyone keeps talking about how the villain is right, which is awkward. That was pretty funny. Wow, it feels like, I feel like Disney villains have gotten a lot lammer recently. You remember, like, how, and also just, like, man, some of those villain deaths were brutal in the, uh, in the older Disney, but, like, clingy. The Black Cauldron, man.  Oh, yeah. I want to say I did that more. That was cool. Yeah, it was cool.    This guy getting mulled by all the hyenas. Is he engulfed in flames?  You know, the menu and Pinocchio are also neat. I was gonna say I'd want to also make a note again that Pinocchio was, like, really well-crafted film. It was a delight to watch. Absolutely amazing animation and art. It had really cool and potent emotional beats as well. That was like a, that was a really cool movie. Yeah, a very, very unusual take on the Pinocchio story with its mysticism and some political stuff thrown in there. Feels like a movie that's definitely of a different time period. Not at all what I expected going in, but it had a great cast. And again, it's worth saying again, the animation is, like, it's the best looking of its kind I've ever seen. It looks, it looks suspiciously good. Suspicious. The thing is, it's hard for me to, like, if you were to ask me, what's the best looking, like, stop motion animated film? I feel like I can't answer that question because it feels like depending on which studio it's from, what the film is that you're gonna get very sort of different, like, styles that they're going for. You know, like, I love the Aardman style with, like, Wallace and Gromit, but I really like the style that they, like, Coraline style is really cool. Corpse Bride has a really cool art style, and this one has a really cool and unique style it's going for too. Just appreciating it. I really recommend it. Yeah, I see, you got them up there.  It's really, it's almost distracting how good it looks. Yeah. Because you can't help but think, as you're watching it, of all the effort and the attention to detail that went into it. The nature of stop-motion animated films is that, like, when you're watching it, like, every scene is kind of inviting you to think about how much effort went into crafting it. There's, like, so much detail in these films with, like, backgrounds and props and characters and movement as well. It's like, it's so immaculate. Yeah. And the menu is kind of like an interesting film as well in terms of just its, like, meta, you know? Yeah, I enjoyed what the menu made me think about. Yeah. It's almost meta or meta. Like, when I went in to watch it, I just, like, I had time to kill home and watch the movie. I didn't see any trailers when I was watching. I'm like, ah, this feels like it's about film. Truly. Film about art itself and how it's ruined by all of you. And I point into chat. Yeah. So I guess something I'd remind us of is because we're still in the month of January. There was some video against it came out in January. I just want to list the list them because it's an interesting little collection. So there was Hi-Fi Rush, which has anybody here played that? I've heard good things. I know. Which one? Sorry, say again. Hi-Fi Rush. I played it a little bit. It's pretty fun. Mark actually recommended that one to me and I checked it out. I played, like, the first chapter or something. It was pretty fun, but just other things came around so I never finished it. But yeah, it's good. I recommend it from what I played. Maybe it still gets poopy, but I don't think so. The next one is one that I'm pretty sure most of us played, which was one of my favorite games of the year, Dead Space Remake. Oh, yeah. That was really good. Easily one of the best of the year. High, high, high recommendations for the Dead Space Remake.  To the point, if you're only gonna play one Dead Space, probably that one. Yes. Yeah. In a good way, it is a replacement for the original. It takes the original and it was clearly made by people who adore the original and love it and want to give them modern take on. Oh, my God. Well, like DMake? Yeah, someone said that. Why? Yeah, why? It's better in, like, I think literally every way. And I love the first Dead Space. Well, maybe not literally every way. Some of the characters aren't quite as good, but still. Some of the characters get dramatic, like a lot more, like Kendra's way better. Cheers, yeah. I mean, Nicole is the sort of standout for a character that was expanded. Isaac is a character now who has to press his perspective during this story. And plus, she had a whole bunch of cool side stories. But yeah, it feels like Nicole got a whole bunch of new material. It was really cool. That was the full-price texture pack. What? Come on. Do you think it's just a texture pack you're insane? Well, again, you're crazy. At that point, it comes across as like, wait, have you played them? Because all of us played the original at the new one. I've played the original many times. I've probably beaten it through. It's one of the two games on the Xbox 360. I got all the new games. Didn't they, I'll glorify Nicole. Oh, no. Nicole is old. Go away, Melanie. I'm going to retort. But yeah, it's a great remake. I mean, I don't see how anybody could scoff at the incredible art direction and sound design in the remake. It's like, I think we've talked about it a lot. Like, I think it's got like the best lighting in terms of implementing it in gameplay, of dark being truly dark and your flashlight being like this sort of penetrating brightness that is integral to like interacting in those small spaces, like the small dark spaces. That was super impressive. Yeah, it's an incredible atmosphere and environment. It is, I mean, you got to experience it to really understand how good it feels to play that game. It's got the more modern shooting elements in terms of how smooth it is, the higher frame rates. Because, I mean, Dead Space, the first one, it kind of came out at a time where if you wanted to play some of the ports on the PC, then you weren't really. The port is a little rough. The port's rough, yeah. I mean, Dead Space 2 plays like a modern game, but Dead Space 1 is, yeah, it's definitely a console game that was poorly ported. But highly highly. We can't leave the month of January without mentioning my game of the year, First Spoken. I was about to mention First Spoken. It actually came out before the other two. Did it come out? I thought it came out like at the end of the month. I was trying to. Yeah, I wrote down all the dates. It came out on the 24th. The high-five rush was the 25th, and Dead Space was the 27th. Oh, all right, so yeah. Well, I was going to say, are we done talking about Dead Space? I mean, it was just, in terms of culture, it's a really cool thing that happened. Well, not even that, just the fact that we got it was really awesome. Oh, yeah. I was going to say, I want to wait two and then put a bunch of the greater than signs afterward. Sorry, what are they saying? I guess that I'll wait two is dramatically better than the Dead Space remake metal. You stop it, stop.  Let them troll. It's all right. They can have you there. We'll get there.  PTSD from that game. Little things have to happen for you to get PTSD, or?   Oh, no. Dead Space remake coming out and being successful, which I believe it was. Certainly don't remember hearing any talk about it being unsuccessful to where they'll never do another one. That's a good thing. It's a good thing. Well, yeah, it's just really cool, especially because it's rare that all of us had pretty strong investment in Dead Space as an IP and that we were always ready to see it revived or put in a better place. It's a famous story of just being crushed into the wrong. It was definitely a niche audience and it was pushed into being mainstream and it killed it. Really unfortunate that Dead Space's time was coinciding with cover shooters, their prime. It was like, yeah, we've got to get more of that in Dead Space. The opening of Dead Space 3 will forever make me cringe inside. It's funny because Dead Space 3 was the least successful one. There's a couple of what they did. The problem was the games were really expensive to make. Dead Space 2 had a pretty big budget. I think it needs to sell like 5 million copies to break even and it didn't sell that much, but it sold well.  But hey, maybe maybe Tom's, you know, maybe maybe you'll have a better chance at this time around. Oh, yeah, maybe. I don't know if we get in Dead Space 2 remake, but obviously we'll be jumping right on it if they did. Yeah, anything new? Yeah, baby. So far, spoken.  I find it immensely fascinating because like the big cringe line that everybody is making fun of was in like that games reveal trailer that came out like a year before that. And like nobody noticed, I guess.  I don't know if I've ever seen one ad on Twitter destroy a game in a studio. I mean, yeah, it's like they change their inner battlefield five for horrific trailers and they decided to, let's say, hold my beer.  And apparently like the game is just filled with a lot of shitty writing like that. It's not just a one off. It's just not and also the thing because I think what I was curious about is, you know, like is the game itself like the actual video game? OK, like the gameplay of hit mix things about it. I've heard it's pretty mad at best. Yeah, I've heard a lot of issues. Yeah, that was what I say. Yeah, Dave, a friend of the channel, Short Fat Otaku, did a did a video on for spoken. And based on what he said, I was not impressed. I'm not chomping at the bit to play for spoken. No, it's kind of like a weird comes out. Maybe they are correct. And, you know, it's a bit of like an interesting thing in terms of work because Square Enix, I think it was it was either this year or last year, like Square Enix essentially like sold off all of their like Western, all of the Western developers that was in their company because it's something that's been going on for the last decade is that like they have Square Enix is like being consistently unhappy with the amount of money that the games that they've made in the West to make. I remember it was so distinctly that Tomb Raider 2013 sold like six million copies and that wasn't good enough, like that Hitman sold like the Hitman solution sold like two, three million copies and that wasn't good enough. They killed Deus Ex so that they could make that Avengers game. And that was not a good idea. And so now they don't have I don't think they have Western developers anymore. All of them now exist elsewhere, like owned by a different company. But this one was made by like a Japanese studio, but obviously trying to appeal to Western audiences to then fail more spectacularly like that. And he ever attempted they've done before to where I don't think they're ever going to do it again. I think that that might be it. In terms of business. Yes, they were shut down basically like a month after the game came out and folded into Square Enix. I just killed a game studio with my mind. Freaking mind. That's just a man. That's just remember everybody. Everybody blamed Joss Whedon for for the writing. Do you remember that? Wait for. Oh, they did that again. Yeah, all of. Oh, do you not remember that? All of the tweets that we're talking about the clip. Yeah, he gets blamed for so much as hard to keep track. OK, it's funny because in our space, we blame Borderlands. Oh, this. Oh, yeah. Because Borderlands has hype and like self-referential and Mimi and shit, right? Yes, in defense of in defense of the Borderlands writers. They're probably like 30 now. So give them a little bit of cut them a little bit of slack. Oh, my God. No, I actually I enjoyed the first Borderlands and I enjoyed the second one. I never played. Yeah, so it gets worse as it goes on. I tried to play the third one for a while, but it just wasn't the same. I don't know, it just wasn't as fun, even the gameplay. I don't know, there was something about it. And I was just like, yeah. I feel like the guns in the first Borderlands were actually way more varied and interesting than in the second one. Like there were, I think, technically, mathematically, there were more guns in the second, but they didn't feel as different as a lot of the stuff that you could get in the first game. Like the first game was willing to actually have like. Very like kind of crazy and out there guns to the point where sometimes you'd find one that was just almost like virtually unusable, but that was a price that you'd pay to get all the good and interesting ones. But people can see like Joel and Joss we're responsible for all the ills of the world. Everything. It's an old beam. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I don't repeat the point. It's not everybody. It's not like Avengers is funny. The first. The first is a good movie and it's funny. That's true. Yes.  Recently, a rewatched Firefly and Serenity and man, the amount of witty dialogue throughout this.  It's a master of balancing drama and comedy into one formula.  It hits the fan. Mel's just serious when he has to be. It's a good captain. It's great. I think Joss Winspar is known for his balancing tones and it's difficult and you don't. I think what's happened is over time and it's more than just marvel at this point, as people have noticed, as the people are just throwing in jokes all over the place. And there's this the attitude of combined with we're on on the joke, too. The content itself is like, we're not we're not taken as that seriously.  Even if we watch the first season of The Nevers and you can tell from the dialogue of the characters, like, oh, we got some we got some, you know, snap and some wit here. This is kind of nice. I like it. It's nice to have dialogue this week.  Hooray, I want to live. Yeah, I know this isn't like a new game in terms of, but it came out in January. Metro Prime remastered. Oh, I still haven't played that. That's still on my list. It's a cool remaster. It's a real cool remaster. Yeah, I heard. So that's like an easy one for if someone's got a switch and they haven't played Metro Prime to just play that. Yeah, Metro Prime remastered. Yeah, it is. It often tops the it's usually within the top three of all, like, you know, top games of all time lists. My Metro Prime gets up there. It's excellent. It's a good hyper solid. This is so tight. I never played the first Metroid Prime, but I did play Echoes, the sequel. And that kind of left a bit of an impression on me because of when I played it and what I was used to playing. So I do it. Metro Prime, the Prime is like an easy one to recommend because it's essentially the core Metroid framework taken to 3D, whereas with like two and three, there are differences to the structure. Like I didn't like three, something about it. I never got an area split across like different planets. So it's not like one fully interconnected space. It has like these it's a little bit more segmented, obviously, to it had like the the light and the darker light world and the dark world and the light and dark guns. And you know, I think people have like mixed opinions on all that. I liked it.  You're like, yeah, guess. We'll try something a little different. Yeah, try a little bit. Prime is one of the most beautiful examples of converting from 2D to 3D. They did such an amazing job. It's kind of it's kind of amazing how well they did it. And echoes, I remember this still, that if you killed an enemy with the light beam, you'd get ammo for the dark beam and vice versa.  Yeah, I was like, oh, OK, it's nice. It's interesting. It's soundtrack to me. It had multi. Oh, yeah, the opening theme is really good. And it had multiplayer to it and split screen multiplayer.  Fenderana drifts both the main theme and the depths. Oh, I love it. It's so good. Metro Prime soundtrack is phenomenal. On it's and they have this retro kind of spacey. It's the it's the sound to it. I don't know what the instrument is, you know, like because a lot of like fifties and sixties, if it was like the alien, the alien sound, right? The high whistle, yeah. Well, it's like a lot of cool remixes, you know, like of a. It's got a very uneasy sort of like something something's kind of off. It feel alien. I mean, as a way to kind of describe it. Kind of it depends on depends on like which because some of them are very eerie, but some of them are just like beautiful, just like really beautiful. Like again, Fenderana drifts has a lot of really like beautiful chords and like melodies. It's it's got that game so good. Yeah, all the men's thing of that is just ever go play Metro Prime if you haven't because you haven't played Metro Prime and if you have played Metro Prime, get the get on switch as well. It's a really cool remaster that feels like it's they made very considered updates of not trying to like obfuscate the the like original direction of the game. Well, where are we at that point? Because the next up for us would be Quantamania of all things. Oh, yeah. Oh, my dear, all our good friend, our wonderful, wonderful friend. It's funny, it's been some time since it came out. I was like, what is it? What is its legacy now? I was just like, I don't know. I was just embarrassed. It doesn't have one. No one remembers it. No one. It's like love and thunder. And, you know, the marvel is as those great big terrible films. The harbinger for the beginning of the end of a superhero like media dominance, if it was like, yeah, it was where as much as Thor had his like reputation kind of tank really quickly and everybody basically forgot about Wakanda forever. It was like with with Quantamania, it kind of opened the door on the conversation.  It definitely was a big step, yeah, to get that normalized. I mean, we've been saying it years before. We said it before it was cool. We said it when it was, you know, accurate. So it took us 10 hours to go through that film. Yeah, I believe it.  In your video. Yeah. I don't know. As concise as we could get it scripting where when me and Fringe did a video talking about the production of that video, we started putting out new things. We're like a good God, like new problems, like, stop. Yeah, it absolute disaster. And it is a bit of a milestone in the the box office of decline, though almost every entry has been a milestone in the box office decline, even DZ.  Yeah, but with good old Shazam appearing at the gods, which Oh, that was about you, Jesus.  Yeah. You remember that thing of like, what was it? John Oliver, like on one of those late night talk shows, making jokes about like, oh, yeah, yeah. Everybody's really excited for Shazam, too. And it's like and then which which host was it?  I don't know.  Who? Yeah, I think Zachary Levi really didn't quite get it. Like, it's like, why? Why is this film getting this treatment? And it's like a combination of things. Well, it's not.  It's I guess so.  Oh, and for the record, primed against it. Very awful film. We went through every part of that plot line. Absolutely terrible. Yeah, to say it's profoundly mediocre. No, it's a lot worse than that. If it was mediocre, don't let it slip by on being mediocre. It was really bad.  Gold wads of like, yeah, you know, we got the funny banter and memes and stuff. That's like what we do in superhero films.  You know, it's not like a character that anybody's particularly. Well, I don't know. Anyway, I'll clarify that the movie version at the very least is not one. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Like what I hear is that Shazam kind of actually has like cool law and stuff. But it's kind of being jittered and bastardized in a lot of adaptations. Um, I remember it was the thing with injustice where like Shazam gets killed in a way that was like really it was like effortless for Superman. I remember that pissed people off because Shazam is like super powerful. But yeah, the point being that it was like the movie version of Shazam at the very least had like it was just clownish, just felt like clownish. And when it's clownish, well, people get a clown on it, aren't they? That's what happened. It also doesn't have any kind of unique place. Anyway, I wonder whether Deadpool as well is going to meet this this exact same problem, which is quite apart from all of the movie's individual faults of which there are a great many. Well, once you've started to get, you know, it's OK when you've got the majority of superhero films being at least semi-serious and trying to tell a story, and then you have the one that sort of sits alongside it, kind of ironically metering the whole franchise. And Deadpool does that. It takes the piss out of the established and serious films.  But once the entire superhero thing becomes pretty much that in its tone, like all of them are cheap jokes, all of them are lazy. What of them are just vaguely kind of there to be a guess? They think they're entertaining and that's about it. Then what's the point? What's the unique selling point for a character like Shazam anymore? Because it's the kind of the Ant-Man has the same problem. If Ant-Man and Shazam have pretty much in large parts the same tone, which is they don't take themselves seriously, even in their serious moments. Then why do I even bother watching Shazam? I barely remember anything about that. Puss and Boots took itself seriously. Yeah, did. Now, some funny moments in it.  You can't just have constantly quip, quip, quip. We had this conversation the other day about like the kind of it's really it feels really lame how many things have been coming out recently that don't have the confidence to essentially be what they are and take themselves seriously to where like if it if it takes an absurd premise, well, I guess on its face, an absurd premise for a film like, like, you know, for example, like Big Lizard, not anything like. The point being that, you know, they'll take something that is like a seemingly absurd premise and because they're like so insecure about the thing that they're doing, they'll keep looking at the camera and like, this is silly, though, isn't it? Hi, yeah, no, we can we can make fun of ourselves. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.  You're like knocking your you're like lowering the ceiling for yourselves of like the kind of payoffs that you can hit compared to, for instance, if you made like a big Lizard movie that took itself seriously and had something to say and isn't doing like wink, wink, nudge, nudge.  Aren't we silly? Yeah, we're in on the joke, too, guys, that if you take yourself seriously with the premise that you're doing and try to make something that's good, did that approach, you know, the audience picks up on that. You're not even take if you don't even believe in your own film. Why would your audience believe in it? You know, there's a time and place for all styles and even that one. But it's been weird that it's been 100 percent of everything Disney put out, at least with Marvel, because that's that's where the Marvel humor criticism comes in for that. But it seems to have bled into a lot of other stuff. And it's just a lame thing that everyone's over at this point.  Yep.  You could find the exact same reaction and start a fume in Shazam or Thor 11 Thunder like any given Marvel or any superhero character these days could have reacted in that way in that scene because none of these jokes stem from these people or the stories they're a part of anymore. It's just, yeah, that's in the scripts. And we've just earmarked it for this film, but we could have put it in five or six others. Dude, that's so gross.  Ha, ha. And I think it's a fucking. It's not a set on the thing. The the. Oh, yeah, like a character who didn't deserve like a percent of it. He just saved the multiverse. He died to save everybody. I feel like that's got to be worth something, whether or not you know, redeems him from any and all particular things. I I find it interesting because like a lot of those conversations come up for Darth Vader.  And it's like it's a big conversation. And I've said before, but like him dying there, cuts off conversation, cuts off a lot of difficult problems that you'd have to deal with in terms of what happens to him next. You know, jail and all that stuff, potentially the relationship that he may or may not have with the Empire going forward and how much information or operations he would be influential in. I still think it would be a really interesting story to see what would happen. It's just that, you know, they didn't necessarily have to answer that question. And Modoc was in that position. And the other thing is, we talked about it with Barmy, characters who are there that can give the person who is dying what they need before they they're gone. All of them knew exactly what Modoc's insecurities were.  And you might be like, yeah, whatever. He's like a monster. It's like he died to save them. Like, yeah, exactly. Got to be worth something. It has to be. But I guess Modoc had to look after himself and give himself all of the reassurances that he needed, you know? Yeah, because he's yeah, he died in Benja. They didn't say that. They all make fun of him. But yeah, he's he's doing. And that's the thing, all of those lines, all missed opportunities. You could have had Scott telling him that or Cassie telling him he's he's not a monster at all. But instead, they all laughed at his sacrifice because, look, he's got a big head. They're making fun of him because of his problem, not his fault that he's horrifically informed. Even a problem anyway. No, well, I guess it's kind of his fault. But at the same time, I suppose in a way, you know, he was a crazy grouper in the first film, but they're making fun of him when he saved the multiverse. It's not nice. No, also. Hi, John. Hello. Hello, John C. J. G. How you doing of the popular Internet show every frame of pause. Also, I'll be in the chief and countless secondary others. We're just talking about how great the year is it was. We're talking about our favorite character, Modoc. How about you tell the audience what you feel about Modoc and Modocington? Oh, Modoc. Oh, geez. I love him, too. It's been a bit. That whole film was a train wreck. Modoc was just like yet another blemish.  It's it's just. Modoc didn't really stand out to me in that way is what I'm saying. I mean, he was he looked really amusing. I was going to say, he stood out to the whole world for the way he looked. He stood out to a lot of us for how he was the only character with like worthwhile writing attached to him somehow.  Yeah, I guess this is because we're in the month of February. I don't know that I don't know if anybody played it, but Hogwarts Legacy came out in February. Oh, I played it quite a bit. I missed that one. I heard it's a game. It's fine. I got in trouble for suggesting I was going to make a video about it. Oof. How bold of you. Gadzooks. Did you see did play it then? Quite a bit. Yes, I was playing it recently, considering a one year later style video for it. How does it compare in the the world of gaming? It is a. I want to say it's like an average video game, and I mean that as a compliment because they find a lot of things kind of distasteful. It kind of transitions from being a Harry Potter school simulator to just kind of you be slop at the end there. But every now and then I enjoy a good round of McDonald's, so I'm there for slop sometimes. Yeah, is it like a good framework for future games like that could be built on in a way that's like more interesting? The legacy storyline is a bit questionable. They would probably either have to create a new protagonist or not. I think they picked the year the year five that they did because of the issues that teleportation would cause in setting, you know, given the in the Harry Potter game. Yeah, I think it's all right. The probably the most questionable thing is carrying over the killing curse into this into a second game. Oh, yeah.  What do you mean? Spelly armor, you know, a vada cadaver thing that you can just say the words and then people just die, which is slightly overpowered. You know, you have to have a good find it. That's the that's the rule set. And that makes the player character the biggest sociopath because you just go around killing people willy nilly that you don't even really know. You guys are clearly huge Harry Potter fans. Is there a reason why a vada cadaver is so close to abracadabra when it's the killing in most serious case? Rowling is a hack. I was wondering if you could say the exact same thing. I was like, why would you want to associate with the scariest curse of all time with the goofy magic thing? Oh, wait, I thought I thought it was a Pokemon reference. Oh, and Alakazam, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I will say that J.K. Rowling and the Harry Potter franchise is probably the worst part of Hogwarts legacy. I felt that the game showed that that universe actually has quite a bit of potential when it's not being created by her or in that kind of blood purism plot line that Harry Potter has. Yeah, that seemed to be a really big deal, which always did strike me as odd that that was such a huge central thing.  As a kid, I was like, oh, I guess they take it seriously. I guess. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it's maybe they didn't quite solve the short way of getting into the the world itself. It's not the best fiction word. It's not. No, but there's a lot of appropriately magic in the world construction. Like some of it is genuinely quite lovely to look at. And the books themselves are there's there's imagination that goes into them. But on the level of plot, most of the books just evolve into that they are just effectively murder mystery stories. That's what J.K. Rowling always wanted to do is what she's always read. And it's no coincidence that's what she went on to write afterwards. And when it comes to actually building out the world with characters and factions, she really doesn't have a huge amount of imagination, which I think is where the whole mudblood thing comes in.  What's like their one thing they'll be focused on? Well, they're basically kind of wizard Nazis who are obsessed with Aryan bloodlines. That's easy and it's been done. So we'll just chuck that in there because then you know that the evil bald man is definitely bad because he believes in like race, for example. And it's not the most that's not the most compelling part of it. I thought that the game itself translates a lot of the the better elements of the world of the books quite nicely. But it sort of it falls down in the same way the books do. The stories kind of lack towards certainly toward the end. Once you get over the initial joy of seeing all of this familiar stuff and you get down into the plot that's supposed to carry you along, you start looking at said that's really formulaic and I've seen that a dozen times before. And also a lot of the stuff you're doing around it to try and make the world feel more fleshed out like the puzzle systems are so simplistic. The like my five year old would be able to solve most of this stuff. We have a five year old. No, no, a five year old. Not my five year old. Unless there's someone lying around that I haven't been aware of, it's possible, but I don't think it's true. But it's like the game, I've played it a couple of times and I've also gone back to it a couple of times. Just like if I've got nothing else to do, I think I remember bits of this being enjoyable. Let's see if I can finish it this time. The answer is always no. But, you know, there's a good couple of hours of vague enjoyment in there somewhere. Hey, someone in China. The same praise was not given before spoken. So there's something in there. It is kind of an inverse Bethesda game where it is similar in that it lacks a strong central vision and it's got all these disparate ideas that don't really work together. And yet it has just enough charm with a lot of its mechanics that it can still compel you to play it, even though parts of it are pretty bad. Well, the first part of it, I found it really slow, like sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a bad way. I kind of like the mechanics of it, like the shooting spells felt like this weird novel in between place, between fighting and like shooting a gun. There's like there's a bit of a delay in like shooting spells. And then stuff just blows up as if you like shot. That's real good. Well, there's something about casting spells that I enjoyed, but it was just it takes so long to like get going. Yeah. But then like when I was in the like I picked Ravenclaw and I'm wandering around the commons room and I'm soaking in like all these students are sitting around having. Oh, you get a house? And I had it. Yes. That was you were a Ravenclaw based in Red Pilled. Yeah. Well, you pick one of the houses, right? You the sorting hat puts you in one. Oh, so how does it disagree with the hat? It's no, you do a question there. There's only two questions in the question there. So it's one of the least I wanted a bit more. For four, there's only two questions. Yeah, I think you should probably go into one of these houses. And you can still say now, I think I should be in the other one. The shorting that says, OK, that's fine.  And it says, fine, that's that's all good. Yeah, if I if I went to Hogwarts and it put me in Hufflepuff, I'd just be like, you know what, I don't think I just quit. Which is funny because it's actually the second house in the game. What's it? I mean, Gryffindor isn't the best, is it? No, the best is Slytherin and then Hufflepuff. And that has to do with the content. There's like a single quest that the house will unlock. That's lame. Like you think so. But yeah, if if well, it depends on what you mean by better with content. Like if it's literally, it's just it's just it's very early in the game. It's a single quest. But when you play a Slytherin character, you feel a lot more attached to kind of the side characters because the main kind of character driven plot line involves a lot of Slytherin characters. Yeah, we want to know that it was you think that being in a house would almost be like choosing a like a star sign in actually quite fired with it coming from Elder Scrolls. It's kind of a semi-exclusive kind of faction perk system that encourages replayability.  Yes, and I think we're totally up for exclusive content based on houses, but not for like one of them being explicitly the best one. Once you understand enough about the game, it reminds me of. They're all balanced and encourage well, yeah. I mean best in terms of the story that gets told in there. Even that would be nice if they put as much effort to the right of role for of them. I would have thought Gryffindor would end up with the best story.   Yeah, let me guess. You have a fox.  I got to say, you guys are just sort of speaking like nonsense to me. I don't understand any of this. All right, so I don't think it was that hard to follow.  Why is Gryffindor? Why is that better than or worse than like? It is the it's the good that the protagonist and the good guy. When you said there was two questions, I thought you were going to be like, are you good or evil, you intelligent or retarded?  Retarded people go to.  Yeah, they actually power.  OK, so J.K. OK, so these are like houses in the Harry Potter world at like the school and so so Gryffindor is what? That's the main protagonist. Brave heroes. Ravenclaw is like the cuttings, smart, good people. And then they make. Yes, living a cunning. They're the evil ones. Pretty much the evil ones. Hufflepuffer games. What is that one? Is that like the clown one? What is it? Hufflepuff, which one? Hufflepuff is the clown one. They got the short end of the stick from J.K. They got the least focus in terms of the writing. But generally, they're supposed to be about loyalty and camaraderie, even though Gryffindor would be friends with a Hufflepuff. Yeah, and wasn't it Cedric is the only notable Hufflepuffian in the entire saga like he died? I think so. I think maybe Luna Lovegood was in that house, too. But I mean, it's a very they don't talk about it much.  It's not a good name.  Yeah, and cool. Like, I'm a raven and I got claws and look at that. Yeah, I don't know. Hufflepuff just sounds fat. It just makes me think of. Fluffy, a spare little running away. Their house is actually next to the kitchen, believe it or not. Oh, my God. I don't know, makes me think of like Snowlax a little bit like Snowlax. Maybe Childeau, the kitchen. Hey, listen, my name is Gorlock. OK. I got that. It's not just Harry and Gryffindor. It's like it's like it's also Ron and Hermione, which makes sense because, you know, they got to talk to each other in the commons room to like dish out plot details. So they're all on the same page, but it just like and plus Gryffindor has like the warmest colors out of all of them. It's just got like red and gold and the Professor Dumbledore was a Gryffindor, too. Of course, he was. Right. He's just hands in the house cup at the end of the exam.  Now you win. Well, there is.  We have to talk about two thousand and twenty three. No, we are. We're doing exactly what we intended to. I love how we've almost got more time. We spent more time on a thing that none of us.  I mean, why not? Because I was going to say, I just like the joke of you could enter any house, but if you come out as gay during it, you have to go straight to Hufflepuff's. This is how the rules work. I'm afraid. What I was trying to say like 10 minutes ago was someone to let you know, Rags, because you have a couple of gaps in knowledge that a abracadabra actually predates Pokemon. They wanted to make sure you understood that. Oh, did that? Oh, does it? Yeah. I. Oh, all right. Thanks for clearing that up. Yeah, yeah, I was laboring under the impression that it was a Pokemon reference, but actually it was that. Oh, because maybe the abracadabra and Alakazam to the words. Yeah, they actually inspired a lot of people. Yeah, there you go. You understand when they called when they called them squirtle, that was actually the origin of the words, turtle and squirt. Yeah, they separated it out. It was so cool. I was there when they did that. Yeah, they reversed backwards. They figured it out. Yeah, I was in the room. Right. What Pokemon? I just want to just before we before we move on from that, I just want to give a big shout out shout out to Venonat. Big shout out to Venonat, the the often forgotten Pokemon of the first generation. So good job. Yeah, it is often forgotten because I don't know what that is. Which I know what that is. Yeah, he's like a bull, right?  Harry Pimmel shout out. Huge shout out to Venonat. He's just he's doing his best. And no one remembers little Venonat. It's a shame because he's more sensitive to Venomoth. I don't know. I don't know about that.  I'm inclined to remember that I agreed with that.  That's what I remember.  I think everyone knows that. And well, confusion. Venonat, Butterfree could learn confusion. And also, yeah. And Butterfree was great at like putting things to sleep and paralyzing.   But I saw the choice. It could be a real crowd killer weapon, Butterfree, because it flies over the battlefield. It's bringing sarin gas over people. That's Venomoth right there. That is Butterfree would never do that. But Venomoth would, you could tell, you know, by the eyes. I really like Psyduck. All right. So I look great. I really like Psyduck. Wasn't there an episode, though? Oh, was it Hypnotoad?  That could have been like a many. Hypnotoad is the Hypnotoadist Futurama. You're getting your references crossed there. He thought Hypnotoad was a Pokemon inside of him. No, no, whatever. The I'm picturing him. He's got like, he's yellow and brown. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, Hypno. Hypno, yeah, and there was an evolution. Yeah, from Drowsy. Drowsy evolves into Hypno. Yeah, so on. What's up? Hypnotoad is also awesome just for the record. Man, I think Ponytoad is the frog one. Zigzagoon. Pollywild. Who's the who's the best? So let me let me remind you how are we here? Zigzagoon and oh, yeah. That's what I remember. And Badoof. Yeah, B.I.D. Oh, that's a tough one. Oh, that's a tough one. I'm going to. Whoa. Oh, yeah. So like I'm just going to say Zigzagoon. I would say it's pretty obviously the one I like. I really like Zigzagoon. But Badoof's a little goober. I love him. He's a goofball. But Zigzagoon is pretty great. So I'm going to go with I like Zigzagoon. Anyway, so on. So Harry Potter, back to Harry Potter. Right, right back to Harry Potter. Yeah, I was going to mention that someone said it was from the Aramaic is why it apparently translates from destroy them or something about a cadaver. That's where it's from. Though I still would have recommended against it because it sounds too much like abracadabra. So they based Aramaic off of a Pokemon? Yes, it's strange because many of the spells are based on Latin. Interesting, cool. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.  Well, as I understand, the Romans were supposed to be foundational in setting to magic. And they learned it from the Atlanteans. And they go around with me or is this actually in the books just to be just to work on the same page? I don't know if you're memeing or not. This is Harry Potter. You're going to. I'm half and half. I believe the connection to Latin was in the books, but I don't know about Atlantis. OK, you can't you can't do this when we're talking about Harry Potter because we will wait, wait, did the Atlanteans get it from Pokemon or did the Romans? I assume it started with Pokemon because the Pokemon are of nature itself. Yeah, so everything you all know that. Well, Pokemon, the civilization and there's actually the pre pre apocalypse civilization. I don't know if many people know that. No, I didn't. Well, I didn't know we had a pokey story in here. But that's it's good. That's good. You familiar with the stream of Pokemon? Is a Pokemon is you?  No, all right. I think the best is a cookie belongs to Arcanine. Yes, she makes cookies. Yeah, I think because we're up to much. Mando is next on Alice. Wait a minute. You forgot an incredible entry to the gaming world. I think I work atomic heart, baby. Oh, my money critters. That was a rage fair game. Critters. What a that was a weird one. Yeah, it was a weird one boy. But as I understand, it was lost in translation to English, wasn't it? Yes, it was.   But what a what an interesting first game for a company? I believe this is one fish's first game. It was they were working on it for years. It was actually a running joke in my E3 streams that we would joke about the atomic heart announcement that they would inevitably do and then not say when they were going to release the game. We it was clear from playing at the immense level of time and effort that went into it, but for focus would be the word you might say is lacking in the game. And the problem these days a whole bunch of different mechanics and instead of just like focusing on a very specific experience that they want to create. And then there was definitely a credible aesthetic. I love the aesthetic. Oh, yeah, it's looked really good. It's a very interesting game to look at and to see. It doesn't feel like it's anything else. But yeah, I'm very curious to see what their next game will be, because I think it was very successful. I think a lot of people were playing it, talking about it. I honestly have no clue, but it did get talked about. We talked about it. It was a yeah, I saw a lot. I saw a lot of the ladies around a lot of people were loving them. Yeah, the whole Soviet futurism angle is really interesting to explore and see. And I didn't finish the game, but I did quite enjoy what I played. And I was laughing a lot like a lot of the dialogue and delivery is just batshit crazy. I was just like, what is the next crazy, goofy thing that's going to happen? Like those it definitely has a story that's too complex for its own good. Because there's a lot of different characters and then there's like espionage and weird stuff like that with a government. And then there's yeah, it's all and then like people people turned into goo and turned into other people. And there's the wristwatch is a guy and stuff like that. And it's all very strange. It needed a very simple story and simple premise. Doesn't your hand betray you at the end?  Of course, you will hand. It's like a very, very strange. Which is which I think is the same thing that happens like in forespoken. I think the hand betrays you there as well. Isn't there a big start betraying me quit? Yeah, it was a big old sequence. The reference rapture as well in the atomic heart, right? Because you were so disappointed. I remember I watched you while you were playing that pocket. Dude, rapture is so cool, man. It's like a rapture.  Oh, God. Yeah, the top of God pissed me off quite a bit in many places. There's a lot of things to appreciate as well, though. It's just that those influences are so clear. The bio shock and everything else. I wish it had more replay value because there's probably a lot of fun bills you could do around with. But there's so many times that we just need to walk to the other place and you guys don't want to fight everything over and over again. Too much TD doesn't. Yeah, it has that like a grand idea with the first time execution kind of vibe to it. Yeah, but like I like I said, I wonder what the good version of this game is an incredible game. But yeah, my favorite part in the game was towards the end when you just run through like multiple rooms and just start killing lots and lots of things like the crazy metal music kicks in. It's like, yeah, cool. I was like, oh, that was awesome. Then it stops and just goes back to now. I was like, no, go back to that. That was awesome. I could use all my abilities.  So we have some of the powers were really fun. I suppose that's the sad part about it is that all of the best stuff, if you put it all together, you probably be really fondly remembering this game, but it's packed in between loads of long and oftentimes mere stuff. It's a focus thing. Like this feels like the game equivalent of when a lot of people say like whenever you finish a script that if you were forced to cut 20 percent of it, it might end up just becoming stronger because you've actually cut the least useful stuff as far as you're concerned, which because it's your thing, it's actually kind of useless stuff to most people. It's like you value all the stuff you put in, of course. But it's like an interesting little rule of thumb and that this game could stand to lose a lot of its content. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't need to be here. Refinement and stuff. But yeah, like I said, it's very clear that people who worked on it really gave a lot of time and effort to it.    And don't forget the rapey fridge. Oh, yeah. Nora, yeah. I would say probably among the best shop music in a video game.  No, no, the menu music for the shop is not very good. Yeah, good music. I like that you would go into save rooms and see a little snippet of a cartoon on the TV between a wolf and like a Tom and Jerry sort of thing, but it was a wolf and something. And I felt like he was like a little allegory for something. You know, maybe even if it was just on like a surface level, but like it's like, is this trying to tell me something about the world that everybody inhabits here? Like I just thought that that was such a charming little thing in the in those rooms and it reminds me a bit. And I don't know if anybody else has played at the game Singularity, which had a similar Soviet futurism aesthetic. But a time control in that, right?  I just remember cool things like this door is locked and you can age the lock so hard that it breaks stuff. There's little interactions like that. Oh, well, atomic heart. That's probably all that we have to say about it. Yeah, as far as I'm concerned. Oh, wow. Oh, awful. Mando season three. Yeah, the thing that kind of changed Mando's reputation forever because a lot of people were very positive about Mando. Really, it was always bad, though. I still want the caveat in that season three is clearly the worst out of the three Mando seasons. I agree. Yes, it's all bad. But season three is particularly memorably bad. Yeah, what was quite striking is the comparisons of cinematography between the three and one. Three was so hastily shot production values. Three looks like all the other crappy Disney Star Wars shows. Yeah, I would have suspected that the second season would have knocked people more like people. It certainly kicked me off. Oh, you OK? Well, so yeah, with us, right? We watched season one and we were distinctly disappointed before we hit the halfway mark.  A lot of people like to not think about it, but that finale, the two part finale, none of it makes any sense.  I like it as a schlocky kind of space Western. But I do agree that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And then they took away kind of the schlock element in season two. Season two was clearly the age of Ultron of Disney's products where they were like, we need to use what we have to launch other things and launch. They did. We ended up with so very well. The Book of Boba Fett. Everyone loved the Book of Boba Fett. That launched a thousand ships. Everyone loved the book of Boba Fett is is integral to understanding the beginning of Mando season three. That's when most of the important stuff happens. Not that it actually it's funny. It really is. I'm always be like, why is baby Yoda back?  But they were obviously making season three of Mando. Something went wrong and they stopped from rumors that we've gathered. It's something to do with Pedro Pascal and negotiating his role going forward because he didn't want to be in it anymore in the suit. And so then they rushed Book of Boba Fett to have something to release. And then they shoved what they had of Mandalorian into Book of Boba Fett to flesh it out a bit, even though what did that end up with? Was it seven episodes? Seven. That's not much. And they are not a very thick seven episodes. No. No. Well, just the fact that two episodes of Book of Boba Fett are just Mando episodes that have way higher production value. And it's an actual. There is a fact that across two episodes, Boba Fett doesn't speak a line, right? No, he doesn't say anything on episodes five and six. I don't believe. So crazy primary character. And he's even talked about that tomorrow, Morrison, that that was really sad. Pulled up a nose lizard. And it's like, what is going on? Well, no, that's how we had to get a stick from the magic tree so that it could get like carved into a beaten stick. Yeah. And that was so incredibly important to everything that's happened. The savage barbarian slave tribe that, you know, they're really they're really misunderstood and they're actually quite good people. There was a lot of defense for them. At one point, which was nuts because they're horrifying.  And then was it the bikers killed them or someone else and they framed the bikers? Oh, yeah, that's right. They ought to follow the good, right? They are the bad guys. What was that? Were they called the syndicate or something like that? I think so. Yeah, I think or something like that, which lame name for the overused. Yeah, they did that. So like it means that it means that Boba Fett just slaughtered a bunch of bikers who like had nothing to do with it and then he doesn't really he doesn't care about that at all. But he cares about as much as I don't know. I don't know. They had a common. They probably smelled bad or something. And then he wrote a rancor and remained to the people at the bar. Yeah, he wrote a rancor. And then that was that. And then the next one after that was good old Obi-Wan Kenobi, which really does feel like the turning point, doesn't it? I feel like it's the worst of them all.   But I feel like it was because Andor came afterward and was like kind of lost in its wake and the wake of Obi-Wan Kenobi. Yeah, you know, like he ran away and succeeded as baffling. So before I'll say it again, if Andor came out just after Rogue One, everybody would probably have a really positive view of it. Like, yeah, that was cool. I think everyone would have had a lot more patience for it had it come out after Rogue One. Yeah, I think so, because after Obi-Wan Kenobi and that being a massive disappointment, it's hard to convince the average viewer that it would be worth their while to watch a show about one of the characters in a film that let's be real, like a lot of people. I don't know how many people, like, remember a whole lot about Rogue One. If it was like it's kind of remember the last 20 minutes, mainly K2SO. And that's about it. But then they they made a really great show out of it. But it's suffered in the in the wake of Obi-Wan Kenobi, because that was like, yeah. And I thought I can't imagine getting handed that is like that's like a dream that you get to like tell essentially the middle chapter of Obi-Wan's life with all of the resources that you could ever want. You got John Williams to compose your theme for you, you know. You've got all the actors, you've got everything that you could need. And that's what they did. Connecting story between the prequels and the OT. That's some meaningful. Mike Recker involved in the in the production or whatever. I think he was one of the he was executive producer or something. He was involved. That's sad, but it's just and it's like absolutely embarrassing. It's so bad. And I feel like and then I think, I guess, Mando season three coming after all of that. As somehow managed to retain the perception of it was kind of like before the shittier Disney Star Wars shows. And then season three, like just firmly established. Oh, well, yeah, that's not the case anymore. You don't even get better production values anymore. It's all it's all just the sludge. It's just clear that all of their scheduling is caught up to them. They couldn't even make Mando season three. Like the primary shows in in theory movies because all of them have been scuppered away. It's a couple that may make it, but we don't even know about them. And I guess it seems like the one that has the best chance now is that rain movie that they're trying to move as fast as possible. I'm getting that one started. It's just a staggering amount of mismanagement, misallocation of resources and then having no interest or plan in absolutely anything that's happening with Star Wars other than merchandising it, get it on the shelf, whatever it is, as long as it looks recognizable. Now your boy Dave Filoni is in charge. Yep. Oh, don't remind me. It's just it's just what you just want to make sure everyone understands Dave Filoni had a big old finger in the pie of Book of Boba Fett. Don't don't forget that. He had it in all in all of these shows, except for Andor. The only the good one. Yeah, the only one he didn't touch to be the really good one was absolutely embarrassing. It was boring project again where he had all the money he could ever want access to any characters he basically could ask for. And that's what he made. And now he's now he's in charge. Yeah, I'm a promotion and I'm staying out a lot lately. But it's been interesting as well to note some of the way the excuse making has evolved a little bit, because you know, Mando season one comes out and whatever it's its flaws was very popular.  Yeah, the dream team. They'll do it just about keeps up that reputation. Season three comes out and it's it's gradually but quite quickly become known as is a complete incompetent mess.  She's the spirit of bad in art. So yeah, but like even things where there isn't that much evidence that she is involved, she is now blamed him for that, for that as well. But you actually look at a lot of the plot lines for Mando season three and you find that the whole Mandalorist Jerusalem thing is John Favre exploring his own Jewish roots, which I think he said publicly. If anything, that's the storyline that's had the least outside interference. It was a passion project or a way of converting the juice to sort of that kind of treatment. Well, no, it's the worst Jewish related disaster since when. But yeah, it's a complete mess. And it's but that's all Favre. You can't keep saying, well, Favre will save it, except where it goes. I think people like to think they prefer to think in narratives and patterns. People don't like, I think, disparate information that almost paints a picture that's kind of confusing and unbridled. Inconsistent abilities that are just part of being. Yeah, because I think I think Zack Snyder kind of highlights this perfectly. You have we we've only watched his stuff and been disappointed every time. I think a lot of people have been like, well, that one was OK. I kind of like the ideas here, like what he says here. I don't like how he was treated on this. This one's all right. And then it's just like, have you seen Army of the Dead?  But Rebel Moon, which we'll get to a bit later, probably Rebel Moon. It's it like collapsed and reversed the narrative, it seems. Like the the pay to that the efforts to paint the picture that he is an artist that should be given freedom and control and that he makes awesome stuff. It's all gone backwards. And I'd say that Dave Filoni is the the the one that happened to it sort of before and after at the same time he's been having this whole arc to thoroughly respected and expected to make the good stuff to now, especially after a soca and whatever he does next. Because let's be honest, we like us at EFAP don't have any faith in Filoni being able to tell great stories. We just don't know. No, I think he's incapable. I think he's actually capable like Rebel Moon.  And so it's just a matter of time. Everyone you have to actually put something up eventually and people are going to see it and we know what you're capable of. Meanwhile, like if they said new Star Wars show coming from Mike Flanagan, we'd be like, oh, shit, OK, I wonder what that's going to look like. Because yeah, instant watch. You know, of course, we would still be worried that it is Disney that's, you know, breathing over his shoulder. Right. But the point being, and he's the kind of guy you hire. That's, you know, that's why I don't think he would want the job, if that were the case, right? I think he really likes the control. Yeah, it's part of what the interest is, like they're willing to actually take a chance on letting a proper storyteller. But it doesn't seem like that. That's like the modus operandi, especially on like, especially on Marvel stuff, but seemingly on Star Wars stuff to get people who don't have, who are not going to really fight back against like whatever sort of mandates we have or know how the system works.  They're kind of, you know, so they're the director, but really where the ones in charge, you know, it's all our choices. They're the redirect. And I was going to say, I think the probably the peak example of this confusion would be Jon Favreau. There was a time where I think everyone agrees he was he was awesome. It's like he's making stuff that we like and the Iron Man 2 or anything else you'd reference in that way for whatever flaws it has, they're not his fault. But then they started making the remakes. Well, I was going to say, it makes sense. The picture is drawn, we get it. It's it's it and so whatever we see from him next can fit into that picture and it doesn't, you're like, fuck, what? No, this doesn't how does how would how did you make the Lion King? How are you talking about the Lion King and all the things you did in the Lion King as though it's a it's a monstrosse. How is this possible? You're the guy who made Iron Man 1. You're the guy who made a movie about interference and like the destruction of artwork. How is this happening?   You have to paint a new picture. You just have no choice. There'll be more of that coming. Because I think it's Skeleton Crew and the arc that I did you out this year, I think. Yes, yes. And so there's an interview with Favreau and Favreau and he seemed down together and Skeleton Crew is mentioned. And the problem probably going to be that you've got simultaneously. You do have quite a strong studio lead in this matter in terms of hiring people who won't ask too many questions, but the people at the top don't really have any vision for what they want to do. So nobody really knows what to ask questions about. So on Skeleton Crew, Favreau was talking about how every episode can be completely different. We're bringing in so many different people to take this very different line and all that really passes for Star Wars is that me, Dave and Cathy sit down and we say, does it look like Star Wars? Yeah, it does. Then it's good. So we'll run with it. So Skeleton Crew will be. Yeah, they said that Star Wars, as long as it has the Star Wars aesthetic, then this is this is going to work. As long as we all agree that it's got the Star Wars aesthetic. That's not a good sign, though, is it? Because what you really want is an interview. Don't you like as an interview, isn't it like your first question after it's like, oh, but what about like the actual story and the episode? Then you don't get to come back. You don't get to come back and do an interview. You also know it's nice. There's only one Star Wars project that I consistently hear that doesn't feel like Star Wars is and or and or so interesting.  That's what I say. They're ruining the field. They're flanderizing what Star Wars is.  No, you can get stabbed and you're fine. Yes, they've done an incredible job at making light away in and out of universe.  Like, I never want to see another lightsaber again in my life. Just I mean, crazy. They can be really cool, though. It's just I don't know if it's possible. It's just if and or has like one scene with a lightsaber, it's going to be way more impactful and meaningful than any of the stuff that Disney Star Wars has made. Because it's like you see it in the structure of Andal like the way that they've broken it down into these sort of four major arcs that culminate in one big, I guess you call it action set piece. Each time it's like it's a more impactful set piece because they don't have three per episode. They have one big one after like two and a half episodes of set up.  That's going to be crazy.  In that sense, it doesn't look like Star Wars. Imagine the clown. Imagine more people saw a new that like the people that, you know, have like hyper respect for Flonies like you'd have to just ignore it. But it's nothing new for Star Wars fans.  So I think that's fair. In a lot of ways, they they see it as a feature. It's just not you don't have it too. You don't have it all the time. Just that is so much better as well as like Ador is more like in line with Star Wars just for the fact they made the Empire competent and intimidated. It's like, I know it's crazy to imagine that we wanted to stop them in the first place, guys. Seriously, I think an easy way that Andor could help fix that perception is just have one or two of the characters be aliens. You know, it's it's one of the few things I really take issue with is that there's not enough aliens in Andor. That should be a one or two character, you know, I am an advocate that we don't like try to run away from references to Star Wars just out of the interest of not jangling keys. You have reason for a few people to show up in Andor. And that's OK. I'd be absolutely fine. If not ecstatic to see it handled really well, you know, like a I don't see why we can't have talking show up maybe just as a voice. You can at least have a reference there. But you know, it's like, should we have Vader? It's like, well, at this point, probably in terms of just trying to get the show a bit more help. But like, I have no reason to think that Gilroy wouldn't be able to implement Vader incredibly well. Yeah, I mean, I've got enough confidence in him to have Vader arrive in some capacity, be in calls, have his hologram speaking to our imperial lady character after I forget her name goes without saying implement them into the story, make them meaningful now. And I don't have a worry about that. Andor is so very carefully planned out script wise that I wouldn't worry that we'd ever get like a Mandalorian season three. Yeah, I've got confidence in him. And as I've been late again, so they're probably going to use that time to do more rewriting and revision to the script. Genuinely, people tell me that was like bad news. I'm like, how do you take those good news? Just let's just hope it's good news. Yeah, but yeah, Mando sucked. Remember, remember, remember the video we covered that was using the fact that Gilroy had to research through Wikipedia to get information on Star Wars as an insult? Oh, yeah. The guy who said, yeah, Andor wasn't real star. Is it really Star Wars? Yeah, that guy. Like the creator had to the creator had to Google things about what's in Star Wars.  We absolutely want people doing that. Are you great? I mean, crazy, like do that. There's no way I wouldn't visit Wikipedia if I had to write a script for Star Wars and I'm a pretty big Star Wars fan. That's so much to consider. Yeah, so many things to look out. I actually did look at Wikipedia when I was doing the Mando season three videos because there's bits in that. Well, they reference the chain code and the chain code is that thing that lets those really useful tracking fobs in season one work. We don't talk about those. But then you look at what the chain code is, is that actually like established? So I looked it up. There's like one paragraph on it on Wikipedia, which says it's empire tech, which means the chain codes were around at the time when the rebels were hiding from the empire, which means that, of course, they couldn't possibly survive because. Yeah, I've already decided that those are a thing now.  Yeah, remember when talking said, where is the hidden rebel base? Oh, let's go and use the tracking fobs. Yeah, let's just use these tracking fobs, these insanely overpowered ways to detect anyone in the galaxy in their location.  Don't worry. It's yeah, it's way cooler that he uses a white point instead of actually like tracking him down like a bouncy hunter by asking questions and investigating and doing all those sorts of things.  It goes beep, beep in a universe. Like, what are you? How are you? How are you figuring anything out with that? Even hot and cold. Walk up to every random person in the bar and press it to them to see if it beeps a little faster. That was definitely a like, it's sci-fi. Don't think about it. You're like, why should mean I should? It should encourage me to think about it.  I just follow the beeps. That's all I'm doing. Tracking fobs is my only real problem in season one. Oh, no, no, it's the it's the horrific plot armor insanely retarded characters and awful blots as well. But yeah, they're under the umbrella, I guess. Yes. But I was going to say, it's funny that we spent all of our time talking about Mando season three, not talking about Mando season three. All the stuff around it. Well, the point I wanted to make was that it was less to talk about in terms of the content of it, because everyone agrees that shit is more so what it represents by coming out, which was the fall of like Fallone and Favre's reputation. That's certainly the beginning of it, at least like not for us, but for everyone else. It's like, wait a minute. Madeleine's supposed to be amazing. This is an amazing at all. And then you combo it with Ahsoka. It's like a one, two punch of just wait a minute. There's nothing good from Disney Star Wars anymore. And it's important going forward as well, because, you know, one of the planned three films is supposed to be the big wrap up for Loniverse, which is supposed to take, you know, the storylines of Ahsoka and of Mando and give them a big cinematic finale. But if Mando three, which is still, you know, Mando is supposed to be Disney plus is like premiered Star Wars offering.  Like, can you possibly justify spending hundreds of billions of dollars on something no one will watch? Oh, yes, you can because Ahsoka exists. But will they do it again? Maybe not. I don't know. Oh, that's maybe. If this was a couple of years ago, I'd say, yeah, of course, they're making a season two. But now I got my doubts. We talked about how like go back to the 2000s and shows would get canceled, even if they were successful, because like you have to be really strong. These days, though, so it's all about with Mel. STD or Star Trek Discovery. It's the fifth or sixth season or something. It's like nobody is this year, and it's the last one.  They got five seasons.  It's like one of those shows I hear the name of. So like, wait, that's still going. I thought it was like a one off one off season because I feel like no one is talking about that one. Like it's not.  We're in with so many TV shows get made and they get other seasons when it's just like, there's no way there should be a positive investment. This is the gamble on this. Hello, season two, Velma season two. Velma season two. They're like Apple TV. There's like a lot of stuff on Apple TV that I hear about, but then I never hear about that get like multiple. Well, they're going to hear about something from Apple TV in this episode. Yes, that's right. Well, don't they get like contracted for multiple seasons of stuff? Yeah, that's probably why I feel like this happened sometimes. Well, and then the first season comes out and they're like, fuck, we bought how much of this? Yeah, and then you have Rick and Morty because they had to make like nine seasons. They agree to a nine season deal. And remember, we talked about like a lot of people would consider is like, yeah, well, it's a sure thing. Right. That's why they put the money in. It's like, it seems like it's more risky now than ever. Like a secret invasion type thing. Imagine invested in someone like that. But like, this is a huge gamble. Like, how could it be as huge gamblers as it is? Look at the landscape. You really want to make a really terrible TV show that everyone hates that's really expensive on a show that's on a service that not enough people are engaging with that's bleeding numbers constantly. I just like, I don't know. It probably should be Amanda season three. That made like more sense. Like Star Trek Discovery is probably the good example of that because it really is the show from the early stages of streaming growth. So I think season one is a Netflix only thing. But when Paramount starts to create its own streaming service that you know, it's willing to do battle with Netflix ever taking Star Trek Discovery off of Netflix and having it exclusively on Paramount Plus. But there's a, the reason they're doing that is not because the show itself is any good. It's because it has Star Trek in the name. And so people will look at that and say, oh, look, that new streaming service has all the Star Trek things. I like Star Trek. I'm going to go check it out. And the hope is they'll, they'll subscribe and they'll stick around and find something else to watch except Star Trek Discovery. So the value in the property wasn't ever really the quality of the art because it doesn't exist in Star Trek Discovery. It was all in the name recognition. But that's kind of beyond, we're beyond that point now. You know, Paramount Plus is not doing particularly well. Anyway, the show is recognized to be shit and Star Trek as a brand has kind of failed. And I think something similar is probably at play with Star Wars on Disney Plus and Marvel as well. There's a reason they've put all this money in and it's not to get the money back immediately. It's to get the subscribers in who in theory will bring the money in long term. But that's evidently not working out too well. Because you need to, you actually need to support the content. You can't just say, hey, look, we've got all of these IPs. Come watch them. If all of the IPs have just been reduced to dirt, what's the point in sticking around for that? I mean, like some people mentioned like, well, what about Arcane and Invincible? It's like, those are normal. Those are shows that people watched enjoyed thoroughly, probably brought in a bunch of new subscribers who stimulate culturally, culturally. Yeah. And then they get told successful. Okay. You've got a second season now. And we're seeing outside of their fandoms as well. Yeah. I mean, Arcane still has the struggle these days. People being like, that's the League of Legends show. Why would I watch a League of Legends show? It's like, uh... Stop! Do it! We said the same thing. This is really, really good. Oh, it's awesome. And they released this teaser for season two and it's like, don't do that. We're so far away from season two. Don't tease it. I didn't even click on it. I'm like, nope. I'm just... It'll get here when it gets here. I thought I wasn't going to click on it, but then I did. Sorry. I won't be able to resist any and all teasers and trailers. I'll be... Yeah.  I can't walk into it cold. I know too much about the... Not only the lore it's going to be adapting from and the future of certain characters, but they're even... You know, Mel's mum in the show. The last... I forgot her name. Ambassador Medad, or I think is what she'd be called. Yeah. She's being added into all of the new characters. It's like, oh, so she's going to be in season two then. Big time. Yeah, I expected. That's not a surprise to me. I would... I'd be more surprised if she wasn't in season two. No, big time. Of course she'll be in season two, but she's going to be a significant character at this point if she's going to be a full-on character in League of Legends. Champion, yeah. Yeah. No speculation on Arcane yet. Okay, it's too early, but I'd love to because... Oh, exciting. I was actually going to say, by the way, in the middle of our bad-dough coverage we did a complete breakdown of Jurassic Park. That was fun. That was very fun. I was... it was a delight to watch that movie again. And see and appreciate all that they did. That movie holds up. We need to do it with more stuff, I think, with just the greats. Explain it, because we have this problem of a lot of people saying, like, you know, film is just as good as it always was. And it's like, oh, no. Like, we can go over how exactly. And someone again might be like, oh, so there's no good feels like blockbuster, mainstream, plenty of millions of dollars put into it. And it was one of the most amazing films of its kind, and still is. Jurassic Park is still the best Jurassic film, and it's never going to be defeated by the looks of things. No. So, you know, it is fun to do that. Just look into the past and be like, all right, let's give it the old scrutinization. Because a lot of people do say, like, scrutinize any movie and it falls apart. And we're still the people who are like, no. So scrutinize some of them and they get better. That's not actually true. Interesting. Hell yeah. Talking about, like, the animations being so important to making the dinosaurs viable, because they obviously will be limited somewhat by their time of fidelity. But that and Lord of the Rings just nailing their respective special effects and stuff. We mentioned a bit of Lord of the Rings, the close we get to the end of going through this year, as well. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Man of Seasons 3 was really awful. And I can't help but think about the Lizzo and Jack Black episode as being the one where everyone was like, that's it. It's not even about... Floyd was in that episode too. Don't forget him. Not even about whether I liked her or anything.  It's over. It's all over. Lizzo's in Star Wars. It's all over for her. It's not even the runaway worst episode, because, like, the suddenly pterodactyl one probably comes pretty close in terms of its quality. Oh, suddenly pterodactyl was really... It's really funny, though. Oh, do you remember as well that they keep adding new flashbacks that add absolutely nothing to the story of Order 66? They keep going back. They're like, look, Order 66. You're like, yeah? They're like, yeah, you like that. They've got the well of one emotionally resonant moment that they can draw upon that we haven't seen the full extent of, so... It's so cringy. They keep showing Jedi getting killed and then Jedi that made it. And it's like, Baby Yoda got out because Jaja being saved her. You're like, I don't know what that means. I'm convinced that Order 66 never actually happened. It does diminish it, if you ever... Absolutely. Yeah, when more Jedi there are running around, the least impactful it is. It's almost like a really local event now that actually most of the Jedi just ran away from. Or they weren't there at the time. But that's another of Philoni's problems, is how do we fix this new problem? There's another Jedi they also survived Order 66. And if that one didn't survive, we can go back into the world between worlds and pull them through time. So they're back as well. It actually predates Disney too because they were doing it with the Force Unleashed games. They kept introducing more and more Jedi who also survived. I think back then it was more considered like tolerable. Especially because it's the one that's mainstream. But yeah, the more you add, the more intolerable it gets, the more you look to the better of like, why are we doing this? When was the last story they told that were actually stuck with me?  Suggestion 66, as I was gonna say. It's a PSYOP 66. Do you guys think Mando season two is worth checking out? No. I don't think any of them was checking out. Oh, bad. There are other shows you should spend your time on before them. Yeah. I mean, I watched the first half of Mando season one and I tuned out just because for one, it felt like there was no long-term narrative hook. The most they imply is that there's gonna be something to do with his like history, you know, where did he come from and what's his ultimate value within the war that happened and what's his deal with droids. All that stuff just petered out. Like he ran out of gas and though they just... Right, yeah. Because I was wondering. Sometimes it was. Now it's just not consistent. Maybe I'm not being fair to it. You know, I just don't remember there being any kind of hook with that. No, yeah. What got people hooked, I think, was the fact that it sounded really interesting. I think on paper, in an office, if you said he's a victim of the Clone Wars, he didn't necessarily go for any side, but it was the droids, the CIS that wiped out his family and he was found by the Mandalore and it's like, that sounds... There's loads we can do with that.  And the most we got as of recent, I think, was the mechanic making fun of him for it. First you hate droids, now you love them. Right, yeah. Okay. In season one, as soon as I saw this pattern of like, you know, they're on the run, baby Yoda's kidnapped, Mando goes and saves him, he gets in trouble, baby Yoda uses force powers to escape and then it started, they got to this planet and then there's enemies coming and it's like, oh, we're just doing this again. Like I felt like it was just gonna keep doing that over and over. And then I got the sense like, we're just filling screen time here, I guess. Like I just, yeah. That shows where a lot of things happen and nothing happens. Yeah. Right, yeah. I think that's part of what killed it, too, is people were like, wow, three seasons. What are we doing in total? I was like, found the baby. What's about it? Went for a swim. And somehow it came back again. Yeah, a lot of it is like, the story progresses and then comes back, story progresses comes back. So there's really overall progress that doesn't feel it's been made at all. And it's funny because you'd be like, they reclaimed Mandalore. And you're like, okay. I guess that means somebody just somehow never was checked before this time. They only now bother to do. Again, it's the nature in which it occurs that makes it feel completely meaningless. It's so weird. There's so many mechanics that don't work. And then, you know, the empire led by Gus being wiped out three times is just getting boring.  This one's even better than before. Whoa. And then they're all gone. Yep. There you go. But Gettling Man died. That was sad. First season army of stormtroopers with a bunch of special troopers. Season two army of robots. Like with, what was it? The vibranium armor. Season three was his Mandalorian stormtroopers that all had best. It's just, it's so tiring.  You can't ever win.   You get him in the way of my plans. Yeah. It doesn't fit with anything else either. Cause you know, Moff Gideon's grand secret plan is that he's been taking the blood from Grogu to create four sensitive clones of himself, which Sky says, well, okay. So the force is tied to your bloodline then. Is it? And then Filoni comes along with the slogan. He's like, now you just have to train. Everyone can use it at a different point having bloodlines. I'm glad we're really learning a lot about the world building. Definitely come to understand.  Just, just, just don't, just don't. Have you a little Mando running around in space, ship shooting things? Fine. I remember the cope about his Starship. This is actually the perfect starship. No, it's not. Oh yeah, that was, yeah, that was that cart's ladder. It's destroyed.  It's certainly this perfect form, yeah. It's so perfect that when in season three, when he has to land on the planet and drop the astromech droid, they have to just cut the camera away because there's no way of getting the droid out from the ship. They knew that. Yeah, Mando in season one starts with the show showing us that he transports the bounty people, like a... Yeah, he had a mini cryo-freezing chamber. A cryo-freezing, yeah. They store his bounties in the holes, yeah. It's over there. He has all kinds of stuff lying around and has sometimes... He's a toiler. And I was like, now we have this one... Get a proof shoot. Yeah, we have one, too. Yeah, now we have this little starfight, not even starfighter, a little fighter jet in space. That would legitimately be... Like, I'm not that claustrophobic, but I'd be like, man, it's been days and I've been sitting in this. I have so much shit in my pants right now and I've put it many times.  And the baby's shitting everywhere. Oh, my God. Sorry, Grogo, I have to reject you. And just poop goes in space. The show would be better if he did that. Yeah, but wasn't it funny when he ate all these endangered species eggs? That was really funny. No, don't talk about that. That was weird. That was so weird. Yeah, awesome. I thought it was so funny or something. He kept doing it. Yeah. Are we going Mando season four? Is that happening soon? I don't know. I actually don't know if that's on the cards. Not soon, definitely not. Not soon. I don't know. Is it renewed for a fourth season? I don't know if it's got a fourth season. It's not that. What would? It's probably not about Mando then anymore. Highly anticipated, but not officially confirmed. Scripts have been completed with Karson's crew. Simply awaiting the green light from Lucasfilm and Disney. Interesting. Well, they're not being green lit, then. It doesn't exist yet. Yeah. It's where we're in. Probably trying to figure out what they feel they're going to do next. I don't believe scripts have been completed before they've even green lit. It's like, you guys don't write scripts. You're lying to me. I don't know about that. Um, hello. Uh-oh. Well, season three's ending sets up major New Republic storylines for season four.  That's it.  Oh, we can't wait to see this. This article says, like, looking forward to seeing the Imperial Shadow Council be further fleshed out and did Jarin hunting down their members. What are you talking about? Why would that even happen? When you say further fleshed out, kind of implies they've been fleshed out. And I have. Of course. Is it not? God damn. Oh, and they said it could very well coincide with Grand Admiral Thrawn's resurgence. I don't even. Well, that's going to be the thing. They have to wait for that, right? They have to, Soka season two has to come out. And if it does, assuming it does, Thrawn is back. Mando comes out of retirement, his latest retirement, and then rejoins the fray or something. That's the logical way the plot would progress. But that does then require that you have to wait for a Soka. By the way, we should probably wait to talk about it later.  He's got, of course, he's going to be a clown again. Disney cannot write villains. They can't write anyone competent. Everyone in these Disney shows, it's the big common thread is that everyone's a retard.  Yeah.  Soka season two is that you accidentally hyperspace is back into a whale. And now that was all part of the plan, all part of the plan. It was had to be half blown off. I always just saying, wait, there's a way to spin this. Hang on. Actually, this is a win. Finally, my way lost program kicked in. Yeah, that's that's the half update for Star Wars. We'll get to the other half near the end of the year. Sure. So his next up would be Resident Evil 4, right? That was March. Well, in terms of how we covered stuff, I know we kind of mentioned it, but this is when we actually covered Shazam, Fury of the Gods.  There was a dragon or something. There was a dragon. There was a Lucy Liu. We already talk about this or. Did you know what I just said or? No, I said it was mentioned, but that we didn't actually talk about it being Shazam, Fury of the Gods. It's like position and failing in DC and everything. But, you know, the actual film itself being, I mean, do you remember the Wonder Woman cameo? It was almost as funny as the one in the flash. That's right. Did she resurrect Shazam? Who resurrected Shazam? I can't remember. I think it was her. That was her, right? Yeah, she do that. I've genuinely blocked that on my mind. Wonder Woman magic. I forgot. Wonder Woman magic. Yeah, well, the film itself was, the plot line was the guy from the first one that definitely died is back. And he, the old wizard man and the sister, the daughters of Atlas is what they were, the bad guys. Yes. Yeah.  Shazam had to stop him with his Shazam family. Family power. Rachel Zegler was in it before we knew, before we knew Rachel Zegler was, she was, she was one of the sisters in that. Isn't that crazy? She's pretty cringe, but in the film, she had like the powers to move the entire world at will, which was called problems, as you can imagine. Shazam died and then they brought him back and then he's not gonna be in any more DC stuff. Don't worry, he's still with us. It's like the weird things, like this is gonna be over instead of giving him this heroic death. They're just, no, we're gonna bring him back. Why?  Well, yeah, it's dead, it's over. It's all over, so it's awkward. And then, yeah, the film was almost completely ignored by the very companies that were meant to promote it. They focused on the flash instead, so they just, they were just like, let Shazam die. It was never gonna be successful. To the chagrin of good old Zachary Levi, poor guy, had to, I think he put, didn't he put out a couple of cringe videos, one of them being like, go watch Shazam, don't watch John Wick, it's dead or something like that. I mean, pick your poison at that point, right? I mean, you'd rather watch Shazam or John Wick. I think John Wick's better than Shazam. Probably, yeah. There's some action in John Wick that's like, oh. There you go, he's always got a bullet's came out. That's pretty, that's a... That works. You can watch him fall down the stairs for two minutes, that's funny. I mean, it happens in John Wick 4. Best action scene I've ever seen in my life. Correct, you won't believe it. It is unbelievable, Eisen, I cannot believe it. I can't believ