Okay, yeah, you're right. I did. I can start over. Of the people who came in, does anybody not know what Discourse is? Okay, alright, so then we're back to this. Yeah, it's a web forum in a lot of ways, but it also is intended and is a design goal to replace mailing lists, even though it doesn't do it by being like a mailing list. And I think, this is something I've been talking about for a long time, our interaction on the Internet is buried in mailing lists, which are for old people, and IRC, which is for weird hacker old people. So I think that having a discussion forum that kind of fits in with the modern way people use the Internet is important for the future of Fedora, and I thought that all along, which is one of the reasons we have Hyperkitty in the first place, so not a surprise. It is also potentially an Ask Fedora replacement, so I'll have a whole bit about that later. It is a fully open source project, but it has a company behind it, so there's active development going on all the time, like huge amounts of commits, and they also have a host adoption, which is nice because our infrastructure team is strained, I'm getting nods from Aurelian, and paying somebody else who is doing open source to do it is like a super everybody wins kind of thing, especially if we can get Red Hat to pay for it, which is currently happening. So yeah, this is what it looks like. This is the discussion at fodoraproject.org that Sonya stood up, and Patrick and some other people. Lots of people get credit for this. Matias could probably get some credit too. And so this is kind of what it looks like as an overview. This one kind of top view of the threads is what the front page looks like here. It's not gorgeous, but it's fairly functional, and I think it's the kind of thing that at first maybe looks a little bit overwhelming, but it's actually gone through several years of like actual interactive use, and they're tweaking the design constantly. So I think that it's the kind of thing that is a little bit overwhelming, but once you start using it, is actually everything's pretty practical in my experience. I mean UX is always subjective. Then there's category lists here, and we can have a bunch of different categories, and that's what it looks like. You can see up there there's notifications and everything. You can look at discussion.fadoraproject.org to actually get a better view of what it actually is live. And this is a random thread that I picked from just today, like somebody has this, and one of the things that's noticed, this is marked as solved there, which I think is kind of a useful thing for, and like I said, possibly an ask replacement in some ways. And I guess it didn't inline the SVGs there, but I'm sharing it, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but if that were a ping image, it would have worked. Okay, so that's kind of what it looks like. This is the what about the hyperkitty thing. They're definitely overlapping goals. Like hyperkitty was designed to replace mailing lists with a modern thing, and when we launched this, it hurt most feelings, which I really genuinely feel bad about. I surprised her with it, and that was not the intention because I know she put a lot of very passionate work in the hyperkitty design. And so this kind of overlaps that. So putting this at discussion rather than having a hyperkitty thing at discussion without actually having discussion about it, may be not the most friendly thing to do, so I regret that. But anyways, part of the thing is, yeah, the vision of hyperkitty reached the real, and I'm glad that Aurelian is also nodding at me here, that we never were able to realize that vision with hyperkitty. We just didn't have the resources to do it. It really would have taken a team of three or four or five people, and having those people continually working on it now rather than getting it to launch and then saying, okay, finally got it to launch. You can work on something else. And we really can't go out alone on this, and I know that hyperkitty is a Mailman 3 project and isn't nominally a Fedora-only thing, but there are not a lot of other big hyperkitty installations out there and not a lot of other developers. Is that fair to say? I don't know. Yeah, okay. But I don't know. Yeah, right. And I think no chance of new features is a fair thing to say because I've been asking for them for like three years, and there's just not resources for it. However, we still do need mailing lists in Fedora.  That would not work. And we still need a mailing list archiver. So right now we've got hyperkitty up and running as that, and I think it serves that purpose fine. I've got a couple more slides, pictures of hyperkitty. This is one of the things like... Right, so hyperkitty has Pistorius as part of it, and that's one of the things like... So this is the point I wanted to make, though. The link to hyperkitty is the archives. This is your web interface to your mailing list. This is your archives of the mailing list. So I think it serves that purpose as an archiver better than the crappy whatever Mailman 2 archiver was called because that was horrible. So this is a much better archiver than that. So I'm not trying to kill that, but I would like to fix this thing right here. Do you know this thing? If you click on this sign up link up here, for any list in Fedora you get told that it's closed, which is not so friendly. Yeah, that's probably it. Yeah. This happens for a very good reason. We walk with FAS, but that's artifacts like that. I think the thing is we don't have time for you to spend all of your time on the polish like that, and I don't blame you at all for this. So skipping on to Ask Fedora. So this is Ask Fedora. Are there Ask Fedora users, people here in this room? That's too bad. There is an actual community of people who are on Ask Fedora, and I didn't actually make a screenshot of it, but it is an Ask Bot powered Q&A forum, and it is basically meant to be an open source clone of Stack Exchange, which, although it is awesome, is not at all open source. And to be blunt, I put it in the slides event. It's a really bad Stack Exchange clone. It kind of is a clone of what Stack Exchange was like six or seven years ago, in appearance only, and not really understanding how it worked, and especially not understanding the user interaction and the community moderation and all the things that make Stack Exchange successful. So we're trying to kind of build a community on top of something that's not very good software for a self-powered community, so that kind of sucks. We had been having our own instance of it, and it was basically bit rotting and becoming very slow and awful and not managed at all. So we have actually moved it to be hosted by the developer of that, but I would not say that that move has been a home run. It is now updated to a newer version, but we had a bunch of feature requests and things that were supposed to be getting development kind of as part of the hosting deal, and that's not really happening. And so that's, and it is, again, it's just one developer working on this. And a key point is, I asked Fedora, actually, so one of the things about Stack Exchange is it is very focused on, you have a question, and then there are answers to it, and every question must be an answerable question or it gets shot down, whether you like it or not. There's some good and bad things about Stack Exchange there. And they really frown on interactive diagnostics, like, okay, have you tried rebooting your computer? Have you tried this? That kind of back and forth is not welcome on Stack Exchange in general, which is not necessarily great because we need Fedora anyways. It's one of the reasons we didn't just say, hey, just go ask everything on Stack Exchange because people didn't like that kind of feeling. They wanted to actually have something where they could help people, but the AskVot tool is not really great for that anyways. So actually I think something that is more web-form-like is probably better for what people are using AskFedora for anyways, especially with the, you've solved my problem plug-in and some of the other things that exist. That basically other people are working to develop these add-ons for discourse that are useful to us. Okay, and then this is the other resourcing thing. Hubs is another project that is dear to my heart and sadly we do not have resources to develop. Basically it is the idea, again, that Fedora's web presence, especially, I mean, with our refreshed GetFedora and the new Dock site and some of these things, it looks a lot more alive than it did, but several years ago if you'd look at Fedora, your interface to it was the Wiki and the front page of the Wiki was not great and then there was some bit rot, like two clicks away from that and it would be easy to have looked at Fedora and say, this is a dead project, which is awful because even then it is very, very active every day.  A lot of activity, just not surface. So the idea of hubs was to surface that activity, but again, we don't have the resources to develop hubs, but that's how it is. However, it is possible, one of the things hubs is going to be is kind of the community front end. We have GetFedora for if you're who just want to download Fedora and then if you want something more than that, if you're involved in the project, there's something on the web that kind of feeds you into where you're going. It's not possible, but not necessary. This isn't the only possible answer. A discourse forum could kind of provide that front end where every different groups in Fedora could have, even if it's not their primary, like maybe they still work on a mailing list, but you could have a landing page on the discourse forum that's, you know, this is the ambassador's discourse thing that could then point to resources elsewhere and kind of be a front page kind of thing that isn't a wiki and is in software that's currently maintained. Yeah, so here's the other thing. I picked this URL discussion at Fedora project org and I didn't want to name it discourse because as a sysadmin, I've learned never name your things after the software that runs on it. And I wanted, the idea was initially to be discussion for a silver blue and for CoroS. And I wanted something that would encompass both of those things and then we thought, well, why not just make it a wider experiment and see how it goes. So that's kind of the idea. We've got this stood up, Sanya, who's community manager for CoroS, something silver blue, I don't know what her actual job is, is funding this for us for a while. So that's a good start and we can figure out how that goes from there. And that is the end of the things that I have slides for. Does anybody have any comments? Okay, wait, I'm going to give you a microphone. Is that microphone on? I'm going to give you this microphone. Wait, no, here, you can have my microphone. Thanks. So that was just a quick question. So this discourse instance is hosted by discourse, the company. Is that it? Okay. That was just my check. And for the record, the answer is yes, it is hand hosted by the company and it is their medium level hosting option, which I forget what the pricing is. We thought we might need to do the top, very expensive level, but Patrick found out a hover way to make it make Fed messages, which was the main reason I wanted it to have it be. There's like a webhooks thing that it can use, so it's generating Fed messages with that. Yes. Is the discourse thing which I'm looking for? Yes. And the proper project and automatically creating... Can you make this work? Yes, so the question is, can this be embedded in copper and have topics for every project? I think possibly, I haven't seen it scaled up in exactly that way, but one of the places they launched this was... Do you know the blog Boing Boing? It's a geek blog. I mean, it was briefly one of the top 100 sites on the internet, so it's fairly popular. That was back in nerdier times probably, but still. And they switched their discussion forum over to this, so every post gets an automatic topic created that is in discourse. So I think something like that probably could happen in copper where you get a topic for every project. Yes, Brian. I have a question. Is this Mike on? Okay, yes, I know the answer now. Awesome. Now you're the Mike Kvetcher person, so thank you. To whom I should spoke if I want to make it happen? I just checked some documentation and there is something like enabling and bending, so I guess that it will need some fitting on the discourse side. You should go to our discussion at FedoraProject.org and there is a section on there for what topics... Fine, fine, it looks most appropriate for that and post it there and we'll see how that works. Some time ago I have seen a project to have a bridge between Mailman 3 and discourse. I don't know what the stage of this is, but it may be possible to relay the discourse topics into a mailing list that a lot of people like to use here. So there may be a technical solution to that if you want to keep people having a mailing list. Should I say if people don't want to leave, there are email clients to participate in discussions, so maybe that could work. I'm used to repeating things, but now you have a mic, so I don't have to repeat, it's amazing. Cool, that sounds awesome. I don't know if the development really started or if it went somewhere, but I know some people mentioned it on the mailing list. One of the things around this is it is a very popular software. What was it? Foreman? Yeah, Foreman recently switched their mailing list over to using this, and they have a blog post which I maybe should have put in the slides. They had a very high increase in activity switching from the mailing list to this. I think it was an experiment in an open source project that shows this can work. Rich had a question way in the back. Yeah, I mean, if you would like to put loads of resources into Hyperkitty, that would also be awesome. Yeah, so I just repeat for the camera. I've seen some small projects using discourse and still having their mailing list with a bridge works out really well. Inside OpenSUSA we recently had a discussion about this and the two options above to the top were either discourse or the one that's currently most popular is adopting Hyperkitty. You might see some contributions from us on that. Yeah, and like I said, I don't think we're going to ditch Hyperkitty as long as we still need mailing lists. What? Yeah, Hyperkitty is still going to be important to us for a long time. One of the things that I'm completely unclear about is how well this would scale up to 200 different discussions going on at once because I think that's pretty big scale and we've got how many mailing lists do we have? There's like 400 mailing lists and there's obviously a long tail of activity and some of those in the middle are just spam. But there are at least hundreds of active mailing lists and so I don't think we can translate those all into one category per mailing list. I don't think that would work and I don't think that discourse really works with thousands of categories. That is something to find out in the experiment, I guess. Misk. So I do have a discourse instance for pattern fly and if people want to test, like creating 1000 categories, I can spin up a VM quite fast and then we can create a million and see if it starts to work or not. Because the other issue I have with that is that we are limited by the number of visits and I do remember having done the computation to see how much we will pay but yeah, right now I think we need to get the underpriced plan, the one where they say you need to contact us so we tell you how much you have to pay if we want to post everything for Fedora. Just that you know it before. Yeah, so the... Honestly, I thought successful with it, that's a problem that we'll be happy to have. But yeah, and obviously it is open source and we could look at self-hosting as well so if we get to the point where it's that... you don't know to self-hosting... So I did try to self-host it and it took me three weeks to install it and I did swear a lot. So I'm pretty sure that... Yeah, paying somebody else to do it is, you know, valuable and if it takes you two weeks... No, because right now the installation is you take a container which is based on Ubuntu and I try to make it work on Fedora and it's working, it's not very clean and I know that Fedora Info is not going to like it as I was... we deploy everything in Java and do that so... It will cost some time and resource if we want to do self-hosting. It's like GitLab, we try to do that in the past and instead we decided to just write Pagu. For those of you who get the mic please hold it away from your computer screens there appears to be an interference coming off of that.  Yeah, I just thought about it and we will probably run into a problem when we have more than 400 categories because the category selection happens when you open a thread it will just pull off a list of more than 400 entries and I'm pretty sure that this is not very convenient to navigate through. Right, yeah, it's not really a problem of can it technically scale, it's a matter of can the UX and user experience scale to that and the answer is probably no. On the other hand, a lot of our discussion is really fragmented in the existing Fedora mailing lists and we end up cross-posting between server cloud, this and test list versus other kind of things. Maybe we don't really need so many different lists for things especially if some of the project lists like Anaconda patches just happily stay in mailing lists forever because that's fine. All right, so that, okay. Yeah, you can do this one. So, you mentioned that there's a Fed message hook with this course? Yeah, is it working? Yeah. So, can we use Fedora badges to make it more popular? What kind of things, what kind of ideas maybe you or anyone else in the room have for different badges we could use? Yeah, it also has its own badges because the stack exchange is heavily gamified so it kind of ties into that so I haven't actually looked very much at those badges and I don't know how they don't use the same badges system we do which would have been awesome if they did because then we just tie it together. But yeah, there are Fed messages coming out that we could easily tie into our own badges and we could find some way to link the two kinds of badges together or rename something to there's to not be badges or I don't know. That is actually kind of a problem but we actually already have that in Askbot because it has badges as well. But yeah, one of the things it does have is like stack exchange there's kind of a built in reputation system where you get more power the more you are active in positive ways on the site you automatically gain privileges to do things like you moderate other people's messages and things like that which I think is generally positive because it helps empower people in the community to do things themselves without needing to be granted power automatically. Yes, I definitely think so although I don't know if we want to rush to doing it because if we decide this isn't working I want to shut it down in three months then we probably don't want to have too many badges. Yes, counter point was wouldn't it be more successful if we had to take off so yeah, okay, let's do badges. Does anyone have ideas in the room? I don't know how much people in the room have used this course or not but what kind of ideas, four badges does anyone have any? I have not personally used it so what if we did something like you earned 5, 10, 15 badges on discourse? Yeah, like which I'm sure you can work with I mean that's pretty meta but I think people would be into it. No, that's a great idea actually and also who's filing the ticket? I can do it right now No, I can't, I have no internet, sorry someone with the internet could file the ticket Does anybody think this thing is horrible and we should not try it or do anything with it? All right No, yeah I wouldn't say it's horrible but I have reservations about it at scale especially thinking about the amount of traffic we have on the development mailing list and some of that stuff and all the different SIGs and things like that and then when you go and log in there's 400 or even 100 categories to try and wade through and find the three that you're actually interested in I think discoverability is going to be a big problem Yeah Very possibly So I think one of the main issue with discourse, there is no threading I cannot imagine having a good flamware on that like disabling, CADE, SLINUX or this kind of stuff but it's indeed much more friendly for users I don't know if people have already tried when you connect for the first time you get a bot that explains how to do everything speak with you and everything and I got it three times because I opened three accounts so by now I know what to do to get my first badges but everything is done to make sure that people do something and learn how to use the system so I guess it's good for user-facing stuff especially since you are not forced to create a federal account system someone wants to report an issue maybe it's overkill to ask for a federal account and just use Google, Facebook, this kind of stuff I do not see any project doing development work on that so you cannot send badges and comment on them you cannot get threading forwarding this kind of stuff so it depends also on who wants to discuss and where and oh yeah I think that it probably a patch discussion I don't see those mailing lists that work that way still moving although I see most software that used to send patches to mailing lists and discuss them moving to code review tools and things like that instead of discussing on mailing lists anyways but yeah, actually I guess we kind of solved two of these problems at once by not trying to move the development mailing list because that's where most of the threading flame wars happen and also where most of the traffic is so if we focus on things like the silver blue discussion user discussion council discussion I think would be fine there move those things that are lower traffic that we can get that so private form because you speak about conceal how do we make sure that something stay private and yeah there are private discussion that is a possibility but then the admins of it also have to all be in on that being private whereas we've got a more restricted we have a council private mailing list full disclosure the council private mailing list mostly gets messages and we have new council members where I send a message that says so you are now on the council private mailing list we sometimes use this to discuss confidential and secure information but we try to do everything in the public and then there's silence on that list for another six months until there's new people elected so I'm not super worried about that every now and then there's something more than that but that's most of what goes on on that list so most of our discussion should be in the open even the council so yeah but code of conduct enforcement and this kind of security issue that's legitimate reason to be secret and I do not know also I can take a look but I say that so we can remember that I say that in six months yeah we've been talking about code of conduct issues in PAG or private tickets so that again has admin you can probably read them I don't know don't you don't want to but yeah the fact that we do have other makes me less worried about that okay yeah so one reason why we are interested in using discourse or why we started using discourse for silver blue bus to attract like new audiences new users who may not be comfortable with mailing lists do you have any way to measure that actually successful in that discourse um yes we definitely can again with the fed message stuff that's a pretty easy way to do it because I can tie in and I can see are these accounts that are coming in are people signing up for new accounts and discussing on discourse and we certainly even though we're making people sign up for past accounts we're definitely getting new people coming in to this although a little bit slower things kind of a trade-off in making people make a fast account that I don't know I think it's worth it um also everybody who's not using everybody's using Facebook and Google to log into things like those accounts can be shut down at any time Facebook can be like I would like you to mail me your passport please and then you can't log into anything you're using Facebook to log into terrible so anyways that's a different topic but I don't yeah I think that the ability to tie in people who are posting on this to other Fedora activity makes it worthwhile to ask for people to have fast accounts alone and yeah we can definitely maybe I'll put reports on this in my next flock talk about new contributors that come in this way which is a good suggestion anything else anybody we can we can go on early yeah and this is obviously a fairly small group of people compared to all of Fedora but I definitely encourage you there's a section on on the discourse discussion from there basically saying what other categories should we have so if there's something you'd like to try out post there and we can create some more categories there's a Fedora friends thing that's just for chatter feel free to show up and start chattering there and we'll see what kind of activity we can start getting and then see how it goes in real life from there someone was saying that Fedora should do a better job at trying things and failing if they're not working so I think it's good for us to experiment and then let's reevaluate this six months whenever the amount we're paying runs out and then see if it's worth continuing I guess


This paper examines the use of cloud technology services in the study of free software. Free software is a social phenomenon based on the philosophy of freedom and the right to intellectual creativity. Despite this, there is a lack of usage of free software in educational activities. Questionnaires, analysis of open data, and interviews with scientists were conducted to identify the factors that promote or hinder its use. It was concluded that cloud technology can be a useful tool for educational activities, as well as a modern trend for efficient use of ICTs in professional work. This paper provides evidence that cloud technology can help familiarize people with free software. This article was authored by Elena H. Fedorenko, Gladyslav Ivalichko, Svitlana O. Amalchenko, and others.


Welcome back everybody. Next to me is standing Anna-Marie Janssen. She's a medical biologist. She's a bit afraid because her talk is not... Well, you're going to mention WordPress, but it's not really about WordPress. So she was a bit afraid that we're not going to like her talk, but I told her differently. She's running her own business as a virtual assistant.  No, we're working locationally clients. But are you living in Nütrecht? She took some life-changing experience. You had some life-changing experience last year and you're going to talk about that.  And this is your first WordCamp, right? It's my first WordCamp ever. Give her a WordPress community welcome, please. Okay, thank you very much for coming. I'd like to start with a small introduction... Yeah, video that's introducing my talk. So yeah, this was a small introduction into what I would like to tell you. And I would like to share with you something about shaving foam. And you might wonder why I should go to talk about shaving foam, what has it to do with WordPress.  And in the end, I'm sure you all know what I mean with it. And I hope you will see some things in your life as shaving foam as well. This is quite a personal talk about things that happened in my life, especially last year. For a long time I was living the life that I was expected to live. I didn't like it that much, but yeah, I did what everyone does. I did a study, I started working, I bought a house, I booked some nice holidays. But to be honest, it didn't make me very happy. But yeah, I thought this is what everyone does, so yeah, I have to accept it. This is the normal life, so yeah, just continue. And find a solution within the way you are living now, within the system. Maybe I can buy a bigger house, buy great stuff for that house, maybe that will make me happy. Or yeah, I'm a woman, so why not buy lots of shoes, clothes, bags, tools and other stuff as much as possible every month. Or maybe I should try to get a brand new company card, maybe that will make me happy. Or maybe I should go to an exotic holiday somewhere far from Europe. Or maybe it's time for a new career step, and that will give me more fulfillment in my life. Or maybe it's time for a management training, or I should go out for a drink with my friends more often. Maybe that will make me more happy. And if this all doesn't help, maybe it's time for a coach. I think almost everyone has a coach now and then, so why isn't it something for me to help me? Or I should follow a workshop about happiness, or maybe it's just the shoes, buy more shoes. I read a book about flow, I thought maybe I can find flow when I read this book, and that will help me in my work to find real flow. Or I should just start dreaming about traveling more, because I really love traveling. That makes me happy, but yeah, I had a job, so not that many days off. But if I start dreaming about traveling, maybe that will help me. And if this all isn't enough, maybe you can follow a simple online course about running a business while traveling. I learned about digital nomads that are traveling and working all the time. They work location-independence, so they can travel as much as they like. But to me it seemed a big step, so I decided to follow a small online training, just to think a bit about it, not to really take that step, because I didn't dare to do so. But yeah, if I follow a small online course, I can maybe dream a bit more about it. So I did. But wow, that made such an impact on me, that small course. And why? All of a sudden I realized I don't want to continue this way of life, even if it's the life that I'm expected to live. I knew I don't want it. It was a feeling that was hidden inside me. And because of that small online course, I realized more and more I want to change my life and start traveling and step out of the standard system. I couldn't ignore that any longer. I decided just to take the big step to live and to regard everything I was going to do as an experiment. Because if you see everything you do as an experiment, nothing can go wrong. Whatever will happen, it's just the outcome of your experiment. So what was I going to do? I stepped out of the system and I did many things that I never thought I could do. I love my house. I have a very nice house here in Utrecht. I really loved it. But I rented it out for a year. I'm over 40 but I decided to sleep in hostel dorms. Most of the people were around 20-22 and there was me. But I did it and I loved it. I decided to start my own business building WordPress sites. There's the WordPress. Although I didn't have that much experience with WordPress with running a business. As I told you before I was a shopaholic and a fashion addict. But I decided to take only one backpack with some clothes, some shoes. That was all I had during my six month journey to South America last winter. I'm really a control freak but I didn't plan that much. I bought a single ticket to Lima. That was all I planned. And I loved it. I traveled by bus very much. I often get motion sickness. But I thought let's go by bus because I want to travel by public transport.  But I change places every five days for six months. I used to live on my own but I had hardly any privacy. When you're sleeping in hostel dorms then you should forget about privacy. And it was so amazing because I did so many things that I never expected I could do. And now that I'm back many people are asking me what did this step teach you. And it teaches me a lot and that's what I would like to share with you. One of the things that I learned is that home is everywhere. I thought I'm so much in love with Utrecht, with my house. I can never live somewhere else. But I learned that home is not just a building. Home is something of feeling happy, feeling comfortable. And I learned that I needed about 24 hours to feel at home in a new place. At the other side of the world, on a place I'd never been before. But it's just for me a matter of time. I need a bed, of course, a shower, my backpack with some stuff and something to eat. And I'm a coffee addict so a cup of coffee means the world to me. And as long as all those things are in place I can feel at home wherever I am somewhere in this world. And now I love the idea of minimalism. Yeah, maybe in the western world we're focused a lot on having lots of stuff that looks nice. And that's according to the trends. And that everyone who is visiting our house, loves some merch says, oh you have a nice house, nice stuff. But in the end it has nothing to do with a good life. It's not important at all. Life is about experiences. And that's what I really learned during my journey in South America. I had a great time, but I had nothing with me apart from my small backpack. But I didn't miss anything of the stuff that I collected before because I thought before I started travelling that it was important to give me a good life. The third thing that I learned is, as I mentioned before, trying is living. As long as you see many steps that you take as an experiment, nothing can go wrong. As I told you, I loved control, security, organizing. But I experienced that I can live without it quite well. And maybe after one month I would have gone back home because I missed my house, I missed my standard life. But yeah, okay, then it would have been the outcome of my experiment. The thing that I would have learned was, okay, this sort of life is not for me. Taking these steps, yeah, it was, I didn't dare to do that. But if you see things as an experiment, then you can do many things and nothing can go wrong. So if you're thinking about taking big steps in your life and you don't know if it's something for you, just tell yourself it's an experiment and then you can do everything. The biggest things I learned, and that's the shaving foam, is that, yeah, the system, how we used to live here in the Western world, what is regarded as a normal life, a standard career. If you're happy with it, it's okay.  It's only shaving foam that referees use in the soccer.  There's no reason why you cannot step out of the standard life. There is no real border. There is nothing that's really limiting you or that would help you from doing what you want to do. It's just shaving foam. You can't step over it. It's nothing. You think it's something big. You shouldn't do it. But in the end, you can do whatever you like to do because it's just a shaving foam border. The other thing is what I learned, is that you're not defined by your character and preferences. Of course, you know yourself, you know what's important to you, what you like very much, like I thought, I like my house, I like being an organized person, I'm a control freak, a shop addict, but it doesn't define me. Even if you're over 40, you can change your life, you can change your way of living. You can leave things behind that you've always seen as very important to you. And therefore, I'm sure you can do what you never expected you could do.  It's only shaving foam that keeps you doing what you do. So just step over it and if there's something that you think, okay, I'm doubting, can I do it in my life? Realize, maybe it's just shaving foam and see if you can step over it. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you very much, Salome. If there are questions, can they find you later? Of course. Okay, I'm here for the rest of the day. So find her if you have a question. I think we need like two or three minutes to change the technical stuff for the speaker and then we'll go on to the next talk.


Stevenson gets the 73-49 win tonight over Hood College. 13 points, nine rebounds for, I guess, Caitlyn Vantage. Caitlyn was a game where y'all fell behind in the first half. What was said at halftime and why were things so different after the break? Well, our coaches told us we really needed to sub up our defense. And I think we did a really good job of that in the second half. So I think that helped us a lot. It helps, I'm imagining, for everybody else on the floor when there's a lot of attention being paid to the All-American, Sarah Tarbert.  Yeah, I mean, Sarah's great. I think she did a really good job tonight. And it's good when other players are able to step up. And I think everyone stepped up tonight. So I think we did a good job of that. Talked about the fact that you guys had lost four in a row. Now you've won five in a row. What has changed for this team in January after that stretch where things were difficult in December? Sorry, wait. So you had lost the four in a row back in December, but now you've come up five in a row winning at this point. What's changed from this team from those four losses to now these five straight wins? Yeah, I think we just all came together. And our defense has been a lot better. I know that's a lot of our focus. So I think we just need to keep doing what we're doing. Keep winning. It's going the right way right now. We can all agree on that. It's going the right way. Caitlin, congratulations on a big night and on a big victory. Thank you. She's Caitlin Vantash. I'm Glenn Clark. This is Go Mustang Sports.com.


Deputy Commander U.S. Fleet Forces Command Vice Admiral Nora Tyson spoke about our Navy's readiness at the 2014 Sea Airspace Exposition April 9th. Readiness is our sailors, our ships, our aircraft being able to do the missions that our combatant commanders need them to do when they need them to do them. So it's the right people in the right place at the right time with the right training on platforms that we have maintained, that we modernized, that are ready to go fight and do whatever we need to do when we need them to do it. Admiral Tyson said readiness allows sailors to be forward deployed, mobile and effective warfighters. From the Defense Media Activity, I'm Petty Officer Amara Timberlake.


Okay, welcome back guys. Hope you had a good time, good break, decent break. Some of you didn't go on a break Well, it's fine. I hope everybody online had a good break Cool cool, so we've we've completed chapter four the power of praise It's understanding the power of praise and the expressions of praise and whatnot So now we dive into chapter five chapter five Page 18 We start going a little bit more deeper into understanding what worship is Okay in chapter one It was all about definitions of worship understanding worship at a very basic level Whether we're gonna go dive in a little deeper. You're ready to dive in a little deeper Can we go a little bit more deeper? Can we sorry guys Yeah, it's just Francis's expression of going deeper is amazing. So What lovely Yeah, so chapter five is Simple what is worship? Okay, once again, just to go through the definition dictionary definition of what worship is its intense love or Admiration It's not just love. It's intense love a service showing reverence to express Reverence to have a sense of awe to bow low to Okay, beautiful words isn't it? It's intense love. It's not just love. It's intense. It's The intensity is a little bit more higher. Okay, the service showing a reverence to express reverence and to have a sense of awe To bow low to and then goes on to say worship. I mean, we've learned this worship comes from this Ancient Latin word worth ship, right? You are scribing worth to okay Yogya, that's the Hindi word, isn't it worth is that right worth worthy? I think that's worthy, isn't it? Okay So that's what what all what worship is but Let's begin The first point in what worship is worship is the recognition of who God is okay worship is Recognition okay or recognizing who God is. What is the meaning? You know, this is coming What is the meaning of recognition? Familiar with okay. Thanks, right? Recognizing or recognition What are different ways? How do you recognize something? Hindi what what does it mean? the what? Okay, I Wouldn't know I'm just gonna say agree. I'm gonna trust you And say okay to know okay to right to recognize I Have we built enough rapport where you can recognize my voice? If I was not in the room Really? All right, okay It's so you can recognize a person a voice if they're I mean whoever you are Close to and but you've learned to recognize their voice. I've learned to recognize how they look Right. I'm not gonna look at Prince and it's like hey Francis. They go.  No, I'm recognizing it all wrong Right, so that's you are recognizing for the person for who they are right their voice or how they look and whatnot. What else? when you're on a long Road trip and you say I recognize this billboard. I recognize this restaurant I've been here many years ago. You say that isn't it? Like yeah, bro. I recognize this I recognize her. Yeah, I saw her a long time ago So the boys What else to know? Yeah, yeah, so you also says to know yeah Recognize recognized okay, so when someone has done a good work like you appreciate that person, isn't it? Yes, or no, and so you give them a medal of honor or whatever, right? So isn't that also called recognition? Right, you also recognize that person for what they have done Yes, or no what they've accomplished So now when you put it all into this context of worship when we say worship Worship is the recognition of who God is So the question to us Christians or worshipers is first thing Can you recognize God not do you but can you I Started off by saying have we built a relationship enough where you can recognize my voice, right? Yes or no, so have you built a relationship deep enough where you can say that I can recognize God is speaking I'm not trying to make you feel bad or anything I'm just this is again a question for you to answer to yourself understood, right? So a worshipper is able to recognize who God is one is for who he is, right? And the other thing I said is for everything that he has done So let's talk about the second part, right? Are you able to recognize God's goodness in your life? Name a few What does that mean I'm asking you to testify Yes, yeah, it's small things. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a simple things isn't it recognizing who God is. Yeah, sorry go ahead, you know Let's to know him. Yeah Yeah, I mean we can take time and we can all testify, isn't it? And it's all of that is acknowledging and recognizing what God has done For us isn't it for you personally he made it very personal on the cross Right, he died for you. He rose again from the grave for you. Are you able to recognize that? Okay, so a worshipper will can always recognize the presence of God his voice for who he is Okay, let's go to John chapter 21 Thanks Nina Nina says his care and protection provision good health. Yeah Suddenly over the last two years we can all appreciate good health No, since the time code hit In the last two and a half years or two years, I think The number of times I would have said I'm going to pray for you I've said it more than the last 20 years or so So yeah, suddenly we can appreciate good health, you know our health our parents's health a loved one health of our loved ones All of that is recognizing that he's kept us safe. He's provided for us in the times of trouble, right? Okay, so it's John chapter 21. Oops. I forgot to turn Apologies Okay, are we all there in John chapter 21? Okay, I just want to read for us Just Follow me. Okay, John chapter 21 verse one onwards. It says afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples So listen to those words. Okay? afterward Jesus appeared Again, that means he's appeared before Right, he appeared again to his disciples by the sea of Tiberius It happened this way means once upon a time. That's the story there. So Simon Peter Thomas called did a miss Nathaniel from canna in Galilee and the sons of Zebedee and two other disciples were together verse three I am going out to fish Simon Peter told them and they said we will go with you So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught Nothing early in the morning Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciple did not realize that it was Jesus Realize or recognize Are you with me? So verse four early in the morning Jesus stood on the shore But the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. Okay So some more context for the text that we are reading this at this point in time Jesus has been crucified. He's also been risen from the dead Okay, so he's also met with the disciples before that's where the verse one says he appeared to disciples again But verse four is fascinating when it says the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus I mean Come on come on three and a half years or so you walk with the man You've seen him multiply the food heal the sick raise the dead cleanse the lepers Right fed feed the five thousand four thousand You've seen him walk on the water you've seen him calm the sea You've seen him being crucified You've been with him. You've some of them three of them were in the mount of transfiguration, right? They've been with Jesus with the highs and the lows Like I said, he was their rabbi They were very close with him They walked very close with him the dust that came off his sandals were on their sandals But it says they did not realize that it was Jesus And now he begins to call out to them verse five. He called out to them friends Haven't you any fish? No, they answered He said Throw your net on the other side of the boat and You will find some When they did they were unable to haul the net and because of the large number of fish Are you guys with me so far? Yes Verse seven Then the disciple whom Jesus loved John He said to Peter it is the Lord It is The Lord, okay, I want to just stop there. I want to I don't read what happens after that But what happens after that is amazing So again the context is Jesus is dead in disciples mind Jesus is dead The the one person that they looked up to for three and a half years is gone The one person that they've spent their life day and night They left their families they've walked with him across the nation up and down Jerusalem to Galilee back to Jerusalem north south east west they've walked with him He was their leader and now he is no more and so Peter's reaction is that he is going back to do what he Always knew to do that is Fishing I don't know what the tax collector was doing. He said okay because he said I'm going fishing I'm gonna come with you too Okay Thank God for friends like that. Who's gonna be with you So I'm not trying to accuse Peter here for what I'm saying, but then Peter is in an all-time low. He is depressed He is he's down. He's hit rock bottom and so does most of the disciples So that's the context here and then they're trying to catch fish. They don't recognize Jesus I don't know how that happens and long story short John is nudging Something tells me that John Was a worshipper We'd read it time and time again in his gospel is that he was always the rest himself on his on the bosom of Jesus, right? It would always be right next to him. He will just be there next to him Right in the previous chapter John chapter 20. It says when Mary Magdalene, you know, it's not gonna read the whole thing It says Mary Magdalene come in comes and tells this disciple saying they have taken away my Lord And so Peter and John starts a running to the tomb and then it says the one the one whom Jesus loved He overtook Peter and reached the tomb first John had something about him and out of the four gospels Only John talks about worship Which up to chapter 4 John chapter 4 was 22 onwards. You can read Father seeks worshippers Or with the four gospels Only the gospel of John only John talks about worship And now in the very last chapter Very last chapter of the gospel of John. We see that only of all the disciples that are in the boat He is able to recognize the presence and the voice of Jesus Are you with me? So a worshipper Everybody say worshipper One more time worshipper a worshipper will always Recognize the presence of Jesus.  You are on the right track Right are you with me guys? right, so In your notes, it says in the very act of recognition. We do two things identify and Acknowledge identify and Acknowledge, okay, so what does that mean? So it's one thing for me to say, okay, I identify a ring I can look at her and say, okay, this is a ring right and Then it is also possible after identifying. I completely ignore her presence Don't say hi to her don't have a conversation with her and not acknowledge her presence and just move away yes So here worship is saying that you don't recognize recognition or recognizing is two parts you identify But you also acknowledge That someone's presence right There's something about identifying and acknowledging It's we don't write this point is so beautiful and I like this point is God is our father, isn't it? Yes or no, right? He is known us even before he's laid the foundations of the earth that's what the Bible says, isn't it? He called us by name all the days of our life has been predestined preordained By him all the days of our life has been preordained by him even before he laid the foundations of the earth He knew us by name. Yes or no, so he knows everything about us inside out Ball is in our core do we know him I Can testify this as once again, sorry to give a very personal example, but then So I said I have a four-year-old son, right? I was born four years ago. We were some four years ago, okay? so, you know, I I Didn't know it. We didn't know it was him or her but I've seen him From the time he was a dot when we went for the first scan, you know, you can the was it ultrasound scan? Yeah, you can you know from that dot I've known him and I've seen him grow in the womb and I know that he is my son Yes, but my world changed When he recognized that I am his father when he pointed fingers a dad up when that happened It's the best thing ever really. Okay. No, I can die types That's the beauty of us as God's children When we recognize our father He takes great pleasure He smiles he has smiled from like one east to west when we recognize who he is Right with me. So that's what two things are identifying and acknowledge so worship is encountering and acknowledging God's existence just reading off your notes His nature character His majesty greatness goodness in finiteness holiness and love so I want to read that part one more time so worship is Encountering and acknowledging God's existence. Okay, you acknowledge that he exists. He is there right his nature and character His majesty his greatness his goodness his Infiniteness his holiness His love and the list can go on right so the question once again to you all is Are you recognizing all of this about God? Can you recognize all of this about God? Right if you're calling yourself a worshipper, these are the questions that you need to answer yourself Right some 95 or six and seven it says oh come let us worship and bow down Let us kneel before The Lord our maker. What is happening? There's a recognition of God as our creator as our maker, right? Let us worship him because he made us. He's a creator if he's a creator. We are created Right For he is our God and we are the people of his pasture and the sheep of his hand Hebrews chapter 11 verse 6 says but without faith it is impossible to please him for he who comes to God must believe that he is Okay, that he is and That he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him Okay And we've read it quite a we've read a little bit about From revelation and Isaiah what not in the last class, right? Recognizing as holiness So that's the first point guys.  All right. Those of you online all good The second point is worship is reverence for God worship is Reverence for God. So the note says to river is to regard or treat with adoration and utmost fearful respect Yes, the Lord is our father he calls us his friends He is also the soon and coming king of kings and the Lord of lords Whose eyes are like flames of fire and his feet are like fine brass Okay But I hope you understand the the meaning of the word river or revere is At most respect right and to put it simply utmost and fearful Respect of some five or seven says but as for me I will come into your house in the multitude of your mercy in fear of you I will worship toward your holy temple Some 96 verse 9 says or worship the Lord and the beauty of the holiness Trembled before him all the earth We use this word awesome, isn't it? Yeah, everybody say awesome. Yeah, it's the root word meaning of that simply means terror. Okay, so So when when we know That okay, yes, he is our father But he is also the king of all kings. He is the Lord of all Lords he's the ancient of days the Bible says right from everlasting to everlasting He is God. He is eternity right. He is the Alpha. He is the Omega, right?  Amen, so when we realize that we are in the presence of this being We need to revert his presence, right Anybody seen this movie called Chronicles of Narnia Chronicles of Narnia. Yeah, it's a nice movie. It's it's from the book CS Lewis has written Yeah, thanks Krisha So it's it's a very nice movie. I You can watch it. So You know, you know, there are three kids in the movie and then there's a beat there are beavers and one of the kid I think oh, sorry for four. Okay, four is yeah So what the youngest one asks? Oh, okay Okay, so the youngest one asks this is a king of this land called Narnia call and the king of that land is a lion And the name of the lion is as lamb As lamb. Yeah So the kid does not know who you know the king is and so he she asks the beaver It's like so who is as land and the beaver says he's a lion And and the for that the kid asks a lion. Is he dangerous? And the beaver says of course, he is dangerous He is a lion and Then he says but he is a good lion, but he's good, right? So our father is good But we should never forget that he is also the lion of the tribe of Judah Yeah, right. So that's the second point is worship is reverence for God acknowledging his presence Revering in his presence coming to his presence with reverence in our hearts Right and the third point Worship is communion with God Worship is Communion with God. Okay. Communion is sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and innermost feelings Worship is going beyond the surface and getting real with God Sharing intimate thoughts and feelings requires a close relationship Intimacy without relationship and intimacy. There is no worship Can I read that last line again without relationship and Intimacy there is no Worship, okay. This is a very important point. I'm gonna keep saying this every point is important But worship is communion with God. Okay, look at that word communion. So many words come from that Okay Come in unity Community right So that's a symbol of us coming together as one right communion So you becoming as one with in your relationship with the other person Holiness okay, everybody say holiness One more time say holiness Holiness is not a result is not a result of cosmetics Okay, what is cosmetic you can't put some makeup and say I'm holy now Can't just wear white shirt and white pant and say I'm holy You know you get what I'm saying Yeah, you can wear all the jewelry you want you can not wear all the jewelry you want Holiness we as human beings have reduced it to such a cheap level. I am using that word cheap. Yeah We've reduced holiness To as a result of cosmetics If I do so and so so and so so and so if I do this if I do that, they don't have beard Apparently, I'm very unholy then so Holiness is not a result of cosmetics. It is a result of communion With God. Are you with me? Right? One of the repeating words or a recurring words is intimacy isn't it When a husband and a wife has been intimate in their relationship Or physically intimate. What is the relation? What is the result or the fruit of their intimacy? Is a child isn't it? Yes or no? So holiness is a fruit. What comes out of your intimate relationship with God, okay, so let's look at that word intimacy. Everybody say intimacy Okay, those online type intimacy in the chat Those in the chat, okay, so look at that word intimacy And you break it down You get this right Into me you see because I show you That's what intimacy is right when you say that I have an intimate relationship With someone and I say intimacy is into me you see Because I show you It gets with me, right?  You are going to know the deepest secrets of my heart Because of our relationship, right? And so when God is inviting us to say Commune with me have this intimate relationship with me He's saying I love this line from the Psalms that says search me and Know me and see if there's any Wicked ways or sinful ways in me Even Saman 39 right? Search me and know me. That's what You know, that's what an intimate relationship will do. It will make himself vulnerable and says like, you know what? I trust you so much. It's okay You know, search me and tell me if I'm wrong, right? Tell me if something's wrong with me That's one of the things but it also can mean is like I want to show you something Right. So there are things in our heart that God wants to see and realign recheck Right. I think Matthew chapter 15 verse 16 Not sure guys Matthew chapter one one moment if it's not 12 Yeah, sorry Matthew chapter 15. Oh, yeah, Matthew chapter 15 verse 19 Matthew 15 19 it says for out of the heart come evil thoughts murder adultery sexual immorality theft False testimony slander etc. Etc. Okay Matthew chapter 15 verse 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts Evil thoughts Murder adultery sexual immorality theft false testimonies slander Let's spend the summer sing search me and know me Because my heart is capable of all these things that's just mentioned here Right and realign So remember communion communication right say communication Okay, so when you have a conversation with a person, it's a two-way thing. No, it's not one way Right you speak the other person speaks right so in your communion relationship with God You've opened up your heart. You've invited him to come and realign, you know check your heart But on the other side he also wants to open up his heart with me Okay, I want to show you my heart He takes you in He starts revealing things to you He starts speaking to you What his plan for you is what his purpose for you is Are you with me and that is also worship guys, okay, so it's simple. Um That's the third point. It is communion Um with God. So what are the first three points? What we've covered Worship is first one is recognize recognition recognizing who God is second Reverence for God third. It's communion with God. Yeah, and holiness is a result of communion with him, okay So I just want to just take a couple of minutes and I also want to emphasize about the seriousness of Of holiness and the life of holiness that God is expecting us to live James chapter 4 says draw near to him And he will He will go away from you What draw near to me him and he will draw near to you Okay, so when you when you come closer to someone You're you're going away from some of other things, isn't it? Yes or no So when you're drawing near to God, you're you are drawing away from Sin the ways of the world the things of the world Right and that is also a result of communion. Okay guys, so Let's go to last the last point Uh I mean end with this worship is our response to an encounter with God Okay worship Is our response to an Encounter with God. Okay. Um, someone read Psalm 47 Verse seven, please Psalm 47 verse seven Okay For God is the king of all the earth sing praises with Understanding. Okay. So what is the why is this verse there here? So worship is a response to an encounter With God right so worship in itself is not an encounter worship is a response Okay, when do you respond? What does a response mean if I ask a question you respond Isn't it right? So that's what it is. So worship is a response to an encounter with God So we read that in revelation chapter one Was 12 and 17. Okay, look very quickly because it's in the notes Revelation 1 12 to 17 it says then I turn to see the voice that spoke with me And having turned I saw seven golden lamp stands And in the midst of the seven lamp stands One like the son of man clothed with the garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with the golden band his head and hair Were white like wool As white as snow and his eyes like a flame of fire His feet were like fine brass as it refined in a furnace His voice as the sound of many waters He had in his right hand seven stars out of his mouth went a sharp to edged sword And his countenance was like the sun shining in its strength When I saw him encounter And when I saw him Response I fell at his feet as dead Okay, um worship An encounter with an encounter. There is a revelation of who God is You with me? Okay When an encounter happens, there is a revelation of who God is God is okay. So who is what he's done? Let's read Psalm 145 verse 2 and 3 very quickly Because we worship to the degree of our revelation Okay, we worship to the degree of our understanding of the revelation that we've received Thanks. Okay. So, uh, one of the the amplified translation says every day with its new reasons Will I bless you affectionately and gratefully? Okay, I want to read that one more time very slowly says every day With its new reasons, I will bless you affectionately and greatly. Okay. So every day with new reasons Simply means fresh revelations Okay, every day with new reasons that means there has been a new revelation of who God is On that day Are you with me and verse 3 says great is the Lord and highly to be praised and his greatness is so vast and deep as to be Unsearchable right unsearchable gladness or unsearchable greatness is It just simply speaks of his inability To exhaust the revelation of who he is Okay, you can keep searching and searching and searching and searching Like there is no end to his greatness Right and if you remember Isaiah chapter 6 one, uh, one verse says the train of his robe was Filling. Okay. It just didn't say filled It's a present continuous It's just going on and on and on. So that means there is no end to his reign. There is no end to his Greatness, okay, so As worship as a response with an encounter comes a revelation And in the last class I asked you one of the things I was emphasizing is the importance of praising him for who he is Right, we can praise him for so many other things, but we need to praise him for who He is and that needs that comes with a revelation with an encounter Are you with me? So I just want to pause here Um, this is four things right the fourth point is worship is a response to an encounter with god right Worship is a response to an encounter with god. Okay, you can now close your bibles and you can look at me Worship praise and worship is a response to our encounter with god an encounter leads us to a revelation of who he is But what leads us to an encounter What leads us to an encounter? Encounters on golema It's not that Sorry Desire, okay First within yeah, thanks darshan. Yeah, I can take you through like different characters in the bible Uh, one of the examples is from john chapter 20 the previous chapter that we read from john, uh, you can But just to make just to give you two points Two things that simply leads us to an encounter is your hunger and your desperation for him How much how how hungry are you for god? How desperate are you? That means How much are you willing to sacrifice? How desperate are you for him and how faithful are you going to be in your search for him? right So when the journey begins with you Right when you begin to search for him and seek him bible says you seek me and you will find me Right and in that at the point of meeting there is an encounter and encounter leads to a revelation And as a response to that revelation You worship Okay, so I want to stop there guys, uh, and I want you to go back And to meditate and ponder on these points. Will you do that for me? Are you guys do that? Yeah, go back home and ponder and meditate on these words, uh, on these points Okay, we'll stop here and we'll meet again next week. All right. Thanks everyone online also for joining, uh, viku, surya karen good to see you arila Rohit you guys take uh, uh, have a lovely day. I'll see you all next week. Bye. Bye Thanks krisha. Take care. Bye. Bye. Nina


One of the most important skills of a scientist is to be able to make good observation and to design and conduct experiments in a controlled fashion. So we're going to do both of those things today. So what you're going to do is you're going to take sodium chloride, copper chloride or copper sulfate, an iron nail, either one that's been galvanized or one that is not galvanized. And we're going to set up a series of experiments. So it may be that you're going to design these and do them in your class, or you may be looking at them over time. But what I want you to do is to stop right now. I want you to pull out your notebook and I want you to sketch the first setup that we're going to do. All right? So we're going to take a test tube. I'm going to pour in some sodium chloride. I'm going to take a piece of filter paper and put in the test tube. And this is just to sort of slow the reaction down a little bit. And then I'm going to take copper chloride and I'm going to put about the same amount of copper chloride as sodium chloride. And we're going to take another piece of filter paper, put over the top of that. And now we have a choice of either the galvanized nail or the iron nail. So I'm going to use the regular iron nail for this one. Then we're going to fill this with water, set it aside in our test tube rag, and make observations. So that's the way we're going to set them up. But we want to look at all of the possibilities. Do you think it will make a difference if we put the copper chloride on the bottom and the sodium chloride on the top? Do you think it would make a difference if we used a galvanized nail rather than an iron nail? That's what I want you to discuss with your classmates. Then I want you to design as many different experiments that will control for all of the variables. Both the position, whether it's sodium chloride and copper chloride, or copper sulfate, iron nail, or galvanized nail. I would like you to use sodium chloride in every experiment, but only one of the copper salts in each experiment. So put on your thinking caps and decide how you're going to do this. All right, now here we have a number of permutations. So here we have an iron nail with copper chloride at the top, sodium chloride at the bottom. This is the same except it has a galvanized nail. This is the same except it has the nail pointing down. And this one, we've reversed the copper chloride and the sodium chloride. Over on this side, we have substituted instead of the copper chloride, we have copper sulfate. So we have copper sulfate and an iron nail. Reverse the sodium chloride and the copper sulfate, both the iron nail and then a galvanized nail. So these two, the galvanized nail is different. These two, the order is different. So now we're going to add water, and I want you to make observations. So what I'd like you to do is to record what you're seeing. All right, now an hour and a half has passed, and let's look at these and discuss them. I'm going to put a little piece of white paper so that it'll make it easier for us to see the colors of the solution. Notice the difference between the one that had the sodium chloride on the bottom and the one it had on the top. An observation you're going to make there. These two, the only difference was galvanized and non-galvanized. The difference between this one and these two was the nail was pointed down instead of the head being pointed down. In this one, the only difference between this one and this one is the sodium chloride was on the top and the copper chloride was on the bottom. So we're beginning to see some interesting patterns in the copper chloride test tubes. Now let's look at the copper sulfate. You're seeing some yellow down here. Where did that come from? Here we see several things that are different. There's yellow at the bottom, the solution is blue, and here the solutions are slightly purple. Also notice right here and right here there's a big space that looks to be empty, kind of like making a cave. So how do you explain how that empty space got to be there? You also notice there's some green color down here, what could be the green? And what's the color of this solution and the color of that solution? And what do you think the source of those colors are? This one looks more blue, that one looks a little bit more purple. The solutions over here seem to be almost clear. So what I want you to do is draw what you see, write down explanations for your observations, and we're going to hold on to these and come back and visit them in about a month.


Green Mountain Support Services to empower neighbors with disabilities to be home in the community. Major support also includes Washington County Mental Health, where hope and support come together. Ala Israel. All people know limits. Welcome to this edition of Abledon Arnair, the one and only program that focuses on the needs, concerns, and achievements of the differently-abled. For eight seasons here in Vermont and beyond. I'm Lauren Seiler. I'm Eileen Seiler. We would like to thank our sponsors, Green Mountain Support Services, Washington County Mental Health. On this show, it's more like a commentary on this particular episode of Abledon Arnair. Recently, there's been a lot of police brutality against people with special needs and normal people. Better listen out there. Recently, there was a police firing. Back in 2014, Eric Gardner was a young man in the streets of New York. He had gotten choked by an NYPD officer. According to the Guardian newspaper, there is a situation a couple of days ago this month. The officer was fired due to the choke hold that he gave to Eric Gardner. If someone says, I can't breathe, you cannot breathe, you have to let go. You want to say anything to that? Yes, because the officer shouldn't have put him in a choke hold. He shouldn't use so much force. You should have said, okay, you can't breathe, you can't breathe. She needs an acid pump or something. But you don't use your police brutality against people. Why? I'm glad the police officer, I'm glad that the police commissioner in New York fired him. He had to do something because I think the police commissioner in New York did the right thing. According to the Guardian easing, 1,860 days after Eric Gardner, back in 2014, was killed on the streets of Staten Island in New York, his family finally received a sliver of justice. This past Monday, by the way, if this is a tape program, so Monday the 19th. On Monday the 19th, the New York Police Department NYPD Commissioner James O'Neill announced that the NYPD would fire and they did. They fired Daniel Pantaleo, who on that hot summer's day in July 2014 placed an unarmed 43 year old man in a banned choke hold that contributed to Gardner's death. The decision followed years of protest, stalls, investigations, and secrecy in the case that came to embody the fractured relations between communities of color and police, not just New York City, but around the US. And Pantaleo's firing, the Gardner's family insist, was only the beginning of the process. At a rally outside New York City NYPD headquarters in lower Manhattan on Monday, the 19th of August, Gardner's mother Gwen Carr struck a defiant tone. We are not finished. We have other officers that we have to let go after. Okay, you should hurt, you have heard the names and know the wrongdoing they have done. And she showed pictures at the press conference. The family had long demanded that in addition to Pantaleo, several other officers involved in Gardner's arrest should be punished for their roles in the incident.  But even after the announcement of Pantaleo's dismissal on Monday, the fates of the other officers remain largely opaque as NYPD internal disciplinary procedures remain shrouded in secrecy. Okay. I know that there are situations like the thin blue line where cops must protect cops, but this needs to stop. There's been a recent case in Montpelier about a week and a half ago where a 62 year old man named Mark Johnson died at the hands of one police officer who shot him because the police officer was scared of a pellet gun.  Last week I had a chance to go to city council and I had spoken on behalf of the public in city council. There needs to be more crisis intervention when it comes to shooting people with mental and physical disabilities. There either needs to be a taser involved or a non-lethal way of putting down somebody in terms of non-lethal ways. Montpelier police department only has one non-lethal way of putting someone down.  Okay. There has to be more non-lethal ways. You want to say something about that? Yes. The police officer didn't do the right thing. He should have waited for Washington County. Should have called Washington County right away. And that's how they can get the problem solved instead of shooting a person who's disabled. You cannot turn around and shoot people. There's been other incidents of non-lethal ways that police deal with people. Somewhere in the Midwest, sometime back a couple of years ago, someone got tased on a bus when the police officer got scared or the bus driver got scared in terms of the person not paying their fare or didn't see the person paying their fare. You can't just tase someone. There's been instances with tasers and tasing autistic people. You can't walk into a movie theater. This happened out west a couple of years ago also. You can't walk into a movie theater if someone wants popcorn. An attendant in a movie theater can't get scared of a person with autism and called the police. So the police used a taser against this person with his nurse there. So why are people so scared with special needs?  Too many people with special needs are dying at the hands of police. This needs to stop. The man with the badge needs to get fired. There's been numerous cases with this. When police officers become police officers, they take an office. When police officers become police officers, or before they become police officers, they take psychological exams.   There's been nine cases of people in New York City that have become cops. And now those cops have committed suicide. Protect the cops, but protect the people first also. You can't shoot first and ask questions later. There's two in cases like Mark Johnson. When you're given a gun, you have to know how to use it. I know that Vermont, and I'm speaking against the Second Amendment. I know people from the NRA are going to hate me later, but who cares? Who gives the rats behind? When you handle a gun, you've got to know what you're doing. This is not a camera where you forget to take the lens cap off. When you handle a gun, you've got to know what you're doing. And there was a case where someone walked into a Walmart in El Paso, Texas and shot out people on a Saturday or weekend and they were doing back-to-school shopping. He shot a lot of people. There was a case in Pennsylvania, you know, these synagogue shootings have to stop. These church shootings have to stop. These mosque shootings have to stop. We all have to band together and get rid of the right to bear arms. If we're going to get rid of the right to bear arms, there's a case now pending. Burlington City Council is trying to turn around and have the police not have guns and just try to have them as peace officers. There are cases in the United Kingdom where there are peace officers. If a peace officer needs someone with a gun, they call the cops with a gun. But if you're going to learn how to use a gun, use it properly. Years ago, back in Little House on the prairie days, 1800s, 1900s, people used guns to hunt for food. Let's go back to that. There are situations in Vermont where people can't get to a grocery store and they have to shoot to eat, okay? Don't shoot people. You can shoot an animal or disable it without really, you know, killing it. You can disable it to eat it. There's just other ways of doing things. We need to love people, not turn around and go into a Walmart and shoot people. This just cannot happen. I don't know what Donald Trump is doing. This is one for the crapper. Talking about Donald Trump, he's doing so bad now that there are animations or pictures of him of Trump toilet paper. Our president on a piece of toilet paper is one for the crapper.   This country, this beautiful United States of ours was founded on immigrants. Don't get rid of the immigrants. There's a lot of people that came to this country that had nothing. My father-in-law included and he made a life for himself. Get rid of ICE, get rid of the guns, get rid of the Second Amendment and find a way to use guns properly. I think it also has to do with mental health. Trump just overturned the mental health law that Obama had put in place. If your social security check, and this is the last thing, if your social security check is used for mental health purposes, medication, other services, you should not have a gun. More mental health checks need to be done on people that want to become police officers and carry steel weapons. You cannot just open fire whenever you feel like it. This just does not work. You want to say something? I think that police here are trigger happy. The police in Vermont are trigger happy. People in Vermont are trigger happy. They use guns. Yes, the police officer in terms of Mark Johnson was scared, but talk to the person. Have a negotiator.  This just does not work and will not work. We are able to sound off with the victims of shootings, the victims of El Paso, the shootings in Ohio, the shootings in New York, the shootings in Pennsylvania. This needs to completely and totally turn a 360 and a circle 360 and not happen anymore. This puts an end to this commentary of gun violence. By the way, there are more people with special needs that die at the hand of gun violence than mostly everything else. Perfect effects can happen with gun violence.  This puts an end to this commentary of Ableton on Air and gun violence and Rest in Peace, Mark Johnson. Rest in Peace, all the victims of gun violence. People that die at the hands of gun violence on a yearly basis. I'm Lauren Syler. I'm Lauren Syler. See you next time on the next edition of Ableton on Air. We would like to thank our sponsors, Green Mountain Support Services, Washington County Mental Health. Ableton on Air's major sponsorship was given by Green Mountain Support Services, empowering neighbors with disabilities to be home in the community. Also sponsorship was given by Washington County Mental Health Services where hope and support come together. Ala Israel. All people know limits.