Speed is set, speed is alive Now 1L, 402, 5R, what would be possible if we do another short approach? November 2, 5R, just continue straight out then? Continue straight out, November 402, 5R November 2, 5R, actually make left traffic runway 9L Make left traffic runway 9L, 402, 5R 80 up 37, also extend, Alman Extend now, 180, 37, Alman November 2, 5R, number 1 now runway 9L, clear, touching goal and short approach is approved, start your left cross now Clear, short approach 409, left, number 1, number 432, 4R Landing in the parting runway 33, visual approaching you No tams, runway 15, runway 33, happy, unusable Join activity 1.2 miles east to south east of the field at a below 250 feet Use caution for numerous construction cranes in the vicinity of the airport Use caution for bird activity in all closets All aircraft required to read back course or instructions are on my assignment Advise the controller on initial contact if you have information X-ray Lean with Delta, clear to land, lean with sight, clear to land, lean with Delta, helicopter, 5R I'll be the 122 I'm an edge driver on my 33, taxi via lean month


isn't that going considering that okay how many hands okay yeah okay how many of you have ever tried to drive in Los Angeles okay yeah yeah well you know I'm not so okay so yeah we get people there our meetings a little unusual we actually meet in three different locations we start off at Union Station right in the middle of downtown we're there from five to seven which is the official 2600 meeting time after that we move to Fleet's deli which is about a block away we're there till 10 when they close but people don't start turning up till 8 which means that at 10 p.m. we move over to Denny's by the scenic City Jail which is a great place to be hanging out at midnight when they start releasing folks it's gets real interesting but generally even though we're running that late we we still get a large number of people now yeah we're getting 45 50 people a month turning up the problem is we had one month where we actually had a grand total of eight people turn up we said screw this and one often saw a movie we needed to save it much the problem was in Southern California and a lot of other people were saying this as well the scene was dying they had no no point of contact no point of entry to actually talk to people about things they were interested in so we started working on reviving it the main thing that brought it back was we started printing flyers and updating the website regularly and that's kind of brought people in I know you guys were pretty much the same boat yeah we had a I'll give you some background on Salt Lake Salt Lake 2600 meeting started and I think it was 1996 with about two people going to a coffee shop every month religiously who were friends but there was no advertising there was no web page or anything like that nothing in 2600 to say it was there it was just kind of like we're at a 2600 meeting I moved from New York to Salt Lake City and was not aware that there was any you know scene in Salt Lake actually there are slogan for 2600 Salt Lake City is believe it or not there are in Utah because everybody who shows up to the meeting thought they were the only one in Utah and now we get an attendance of about between I think it's like 35 to 40 people which isn't bad considering I'm gonna back on here for a second Utah has two million people in it LA has about what eight million so we're almost we're almost at LA so yeah I mean just the simple fact you're able to bring that many people out of the world work I mean my numbers alone which you know if this is taken as a ratio we should probably have about 160 people turning up every month yes the middle badges I blame you but um when I started going to the meetings it was about two and a half to three years ago there were seven people there so the first person I met was Almas and the DLC who's talking t-shirts in the band area right now we from the first time I went I talked to one of the founders Kenny of hectic.org and said hey I saw your page it was like a one-page thing that said this is where the meeting is and this is where what times we meet blah blah same deal is you know default 2600 meeting times I said I'd like to do something with a little more content maybe get some pictures up there contact information for people who come to the meeting I don't know how many you how many people here attend 2600 regularly or at all well if you go to a 2600 meeting and you meet somebody and you're like you can meet 30 people and then there's one person that you really connect with on something or there's a project you'd like to work on together and then you forget their handle you know super ultra ninja killer or something and you're like I can't remember that tears handle and but you'd like to get in contact with me so when I would go to meetings anybody who is new I take down their you know their handle email address website and you know put it on the page we don't do that anymore because if you can't remember I'm just tired of collecting email addresses but but when we first started out was good because it got people back together if someone fell out of the meeting for a month then they'd get an email from the person who was like hey you know you were talking about that project and I really want to talk about it oh okay I'll be at the next meeting and so people just started coming together I started putting up flyers put them in the issues of 2600 at you know Barnes and Noble borders dropping them in technical schools and the CS departments of local colleges and whatnot and we started getting attendance people were coming a lot more but we were starting to attract a lot of the script kitty slash scene whore group now our attendance was up and that was great we thought hey look at us we have you know these big numbers but the percentage that was actually there to talk about things that were technical or even talk about anything constructive at all it was probably about half like everyone would go off into little groups and talk about things and there was the you know the guys who would run around and try to you know hey so it got to the point where we had all these people and there was someone who showed the meeting one time I got never contributed anything like that he shows up he leaves the food court we have in a food court pretty large one and we're back in the corner spin on bother anybody but he shows up and says like and he goes off on onto out into the mall and he comes back with a couple cell phones and apparently he'd stolen the cell phones from the kiosks out there and he decided it would be a good idea to come back to the 2600 meeting and take these apart and he starts ripping them apart and you know he's like 16 17 years old and at the time I'm like 21 and I'm like you're an idiot I'm the one who's gonna get in trouble for this not you you know they'll just slap you and throw you out of the mall but I brought you here so I was fed up at that point with that with that kind of attitude there at the meeting and I talked to some of the founders and I said I'm gonna lay the smack down I'm just gonna say look here's how it's gonna be we're gonna have structure for the first hour talk about whatever you want talk about movies oh you see minority report did you see you know whatever and then starting at six o'clock we have talks I get on everybody all the some of the Salt Lake guys are here in the front row they will attest to the fact that I will get on their case about dude write a talk come on you got to write something you know you haven't written anything in almost a year and at six o'clock they start giving their talks and when those are over the conversation starts again but since we had those talks it lends to more technical discussions and I basically have said if you don't want to listen to the talks it's a big food court go over there and talk over there but do not talk while someone else is talking I mean you know honestly let's be mature and have some manners it takes a lot to put together a talk and then even more to get up in front of a group of people and present it so have respect for the people who are there if you don't like it go away but that became it kind of became self-policing the technical minded people have taken over the meeting again we've I did a talk that was the first talk ever was last April and it was called script kitties and seahors how not to be one and why we hate them and it was based off of I mean good point you know it's actually the talk is mirrored on 2600 slc.org which is our meeting site all of the talks that are given at the meeting are on that site under texts but so I presented this thing and it was based off of pyro and shatter did a talk called fact the kitties at Defcon eight where they basically laid it down and said this is how you should behave and you don't have anything to prove don't if you know what it's let people think you're an idiot don't open your mouth and prove it yeah I mean people people have this strange idea that the minute you send them to a 2600 meeting it's a license to behave like a complete nutter tit they're the mind boggles I don't understand this it's like you know the normal bounds of society suddenly don't apply and then they look really shocked when there's all these angry people turning on them going what the hell are you doing you know you are not wanted here because of your behavior they don't seem to get this and it's very much a double-edged sword you know you turn up you act like a dick people aren't gonna want you there they don't understand this yeah one of the things is like if we don't want you there if you're not there like if you can come and not contribute and that's fine if you if you're learning or you're interested in learning but if you're sitting there and stealing things from inside the mall and going and breaking that part of our meeting then you know I have no patience for unintelligent people so it's like we laid it down some people were kind of iffy on it at first they're like oh I don't know about this you know I like just going and being social with with people and whatnot but after about six months when they saw the decline in you know the morons basically and the that the discussions that we had were becoming more tech related or you know just learning from each other and being able to say I don't know is it is huge when you go to anything I don't know is okay I don't know if anybody knows that but we have a guy who's really good at that like everyone they'll be like does everybody know what the network OSI model is and everyone will sit there and go yes yes I do and they really don't and someone will go no I have no idea and it's like cool and you explain it really quick and now everyone else can understand because one guy had enough balls to say I don't know so you know asking asking questions you're not taming yourself is appearing ignorant everybody doesn't know everything I certainly don't grifter doesn't know if you don't ask questions you're not going to learn anything and you're not going to get anything out of it and if you're not encouraging people to ask questions the meetings are going to go to hell you know you're going to have a bunch of people sitting around drinking coffee and talking about the DVD they went into blockbuster last night yeah basically where the resurrecting the scene how many people even believe that there still is a scene to that is attached to this a few stragglers hangers on these are the people who will carry this into the future the ones who don't think it's dead or it's not impossible to bring back it's yes you know hackers came out in 1995 and the scene took quite a shot in the gut well that and that and the fact that anybody with 500 bucks to spare can walk down to comp USA by a cheap computer plug it into their phone line and they're now online and that was that was the real thing that started bringing about the demise of everything because you know let's face it the internet is pretty much the full scope of what most people focus on in terms of hacking and hacking to me is not purely about the internet it's about finding ways of doing things that were previously thought not possible by giving people basically cheap all you can internet access that's what the focus became how many people do you still think are playing with the phone system for example I mean there's there's some pretty there are some people out there doing it but it's really bubbled under everything because the focus is shifted and the focus has become very narrow one good thing about the meetings is you actually get a chance to bring the people in who are interested in all these different aspects of hacking and get them together and talk and actually show that there is a focus out there and a sharing of ideas yeah and of ideals what what I worry comes in with resurrecting to see what where I want to move our 2600 me too like we've taken the steps that to have the structure and to start doing the talks and they're mirrored on the website and we have you know the news section that's updated and photos from the media you can go to the Salt Lake City website and and actually like know what went on there because everything is there the talks are there you can see who is there you can read about what happened yeah I was gonna say conversely you know Salt Lake has has a pretty good structure to how everything works in terms of the flow of the time of the meeting we don't really tend to do that what generally happens is is on the mailing list people start throwing out ideas talking about it turn up at the meeting and it's like okay everybody who was interested in the wireless stuff we're talking on the list go over here and they'll take over a corner of the meeting and you know people wondering now but we'll have a core group of people who are actually interested in what's going on and everybody else is off doing their own thing which also works for us I mean it's all in the context of how the meetings being set up and run I think the as far as our meetings go where we're going with this do people still read 2600 anymore can I show hands who reads 2600 all right so there's people out there the whenever I say like for instance on Fnet I joined pound 2600 and say because I heard that oh one of the talks I gave it 2600 it was published I said does anyone have the new issue of 2600 now this is in pound 2600 oh man oh that's a bunch of crap you still read that oh you kitty bubba I'm like yeah this is what the hell this is also an IRC dot 2600 dot net I should point out it's so yeah yeah which is dead now let's go down for a while but yeah but I think where where people need to take it is is getting that back to where it used to be a lot of people say it's a political rag some people say well that's good I like the fact that it's a political rag because I can find out all the politics that I need to find out about that are that involve technology through 2600 and like I'm not gonna sit here and bash 2600 all day but yeah I think it's a little too political I don't read the editors comments anymore I read the articles the ones that are good yeah one of the things that the LA meeting specifically has been trying to do is sort of divorce itself from all of the political bullshit that's going on in the magazine you know we very much understand what the magazine is meant to be about what it's meant to represent and I can't speak for everybody necessarily but I can say that personally I do feel that it's moving away from its technical focus and so what we try to do is very much keep ourselves neutral on that and basically keep the politics out of hacking politics is something that's personal it doesn't have put it this way I don't spend my five bucks on the magazine because I want a consciousness raising session I want source code and that's that's really what it comes down to well that's a good point actually would you mind saying it a bit louder the benefit of the cameras that's a good point and there are definitely things such as the DMCA that that cross both boundaries that are both political and hacking related and I'm certainly I'm you know certainly not going to deny that however I don't feel that hacking should be about politics I feel that it should be about hacking and improving things how the improvements are done that's another question having an article oh sorry I was gonna say it's a very wide-ranging debate I'd be happy to talk about it with you afterwards we just yeah you can go for hours yeah it's there's a difference between having an article about the EFF or having an article about the DMCA versus having a magazine with four to five to six articles about the DMCA four to five to six articles about the EFF things like that you know if that's a great organization I just don't want to read a book about it every quarter but everybody complains about it but nobody does anything about it so that's where like the talk that I did got published it's on dumpster diving and I said hey you know what the hell I'll take this one I'll submit it and I'll see if they publish it and I'd like to see our text area of our website that says you know like I have a list of all the different talks that have been given over the last year and I'd like to see things like you know published in the winter 2003 or you know published in spring of 2003 next to it taking these technical talks and getting them out there for everyone to see well actually you're making another good point here peripherally you know the things you cover don't have to be ultra ultra high-level you know uber technical things you know not everybody needs to have source code thrown at them there are a lot of things out there like dumpster diving that people still you can't go to I've had people say to me oh you can't go dumpster diving like you know dumpster diving is a logical impossibility okay now let me see okay dumpster open trash climb in grab stuff go away you know you can do it and people don't seem to realize that a lot of what relates to hacking is really basic stuff like that and there's a lot of people who need to know about it because if they don't hear about it they're never gonna go any further it's it's gonna give them the push to start looking into things a little bit more than they are already sorry you have a question I'm sorry I can't hear you one of the largest groups is trying to divorce themselves from it like who's putting out the magazine of well okay the magazine and the meetings are two separate beasts the magazine the gap the meetings basically they started in New York City about what 86 7 possible little sooner I'm not sure but you know the idea of the meetings then spread I guess what it comes down to is a case of the views of the management do not necessarily represent those of its employees the thing you have to remember too is 2600 isn't a group 2600 is a magazine and even though you know we're having our meetings under the 2600 name we're no more a part of them than we are the Shriners so she gave you some idea on that doing things like like he said like sharing the culture with people things like that I'd like to see people take what what others have out there update your websites if you're planning to have a meeting that's critical if people don't see their websites being updated on a regular basis they won't come because if it says last updated what was it 1996 yeah well while back I was going through it's actually hitting up every single meeting home page that 2600 have listed on their site just wanted to see what other people were up to you know it's just curious like okay you know how does how does the meeting in Topeka get along you know poking around and yeah we found one that was still listed as active and they hadn't updated the website in you know six years which is a little frightening because well if you've got anybody who wants to turn up to it they're gonna look at it and go yeah right okay it's probably dead or the people who ran it aren't even there anymore yeah I'd like to see that happen like see people starting to do things where you can go and find out what they did and what they talked on and have it there and be able to if I don't feel like writing something every month it would be nice to be able to go to you know the New York City or the LA 2600 and pull one of their talks off of their website and say the guys from LA did this this is what we're gonna talk about maybe somebody who's sitting there listening to that will get something else then they'll go to the website grab it make some changes submit it back to the author of the original talk and it just gets better and better from there things just improve the ideas become better and and people get smarter it's basically what it comes down to as a group as a whole we're a lot more intelligent than we are standing along yeah I mean this is this is also something that's very important you need to get in touch with the other groups not just in your area but on a wider basis you know if for some reason okay I can speak again yeah this is one thing that's important is to go to other meetings that are being held that you know about reason being you know it's a good idea to see what other people are up to but it also it also helps to re-establish the community by doing that I'm gonna do a lot of 2600 meetings in different cities both in inside and outside here both inside and outside the US and really establishing that contact and keeping it firm is pretty essential without it you know there won't be an underground you have to have people in contact with each other who can exchange ideas I totally agree with what he's saying getting out there it would like I don't have the time sorry you know but we have had people come visit our meetings and come from other places around the country and they're like wow you know you guys really have your act together you're doing something here damn that's great oh I wish my 2600 meeting was like this and you know my simple question is why isn't it it doesn't take much because you know you know the sake of making myself sound like an idiot if I can do it anybody can't so I mean I mean essentially a stable meeting location a website that gets updated regularly and a mailing list those those are the three three main things you're gonna need to actually set it up and keep everybody together and things going or an IRC channel yeah or two yeah but um does anybody have any experiences they want to share as far as their meetings how their meetings are structured and what that's great I mean perfect example you know if you're just hanging out in a food court that's what you're doing you're not having a 2600 meeting you're hanging out in the food court you know what's the difference there yeah I mean if you actually equally laying yeah I mean that's that's the other thing too you need to you need to do two things with your location you need to pick it well you got to have somewhere stable because I know you guys are meeting in a food court yeah pretty much we can't do that there's no mall in downtown LA and you know trying to find a meeting place in Los Angeles is great because well just the acreage of the place it's massive so we pick somewhere mutually inconvenient to everybody which is downtown but pretty much you know you meet in the coffee shop you can make yourselves noticeable because you're in a smaller setting you stand out a little bit more the other thing too is you've got to keep good relations with where you're meeting if you burn your hosts you know ultimately you don't know the meeting location they're just gonna kick you out until you never to come back and that's their prerogative you got people stealing things breaking things running around the resting the other customers you know swinging dead cats over their heads and chanting yaba yaba yaba they're not surprised off in that yeah seriously no seriously you know if they don't like you they're just gonna kick you out and no meeting scoot then yeah definitely be on good terms we didn't ask to use the food court we just kind of happened upon it and like I said when it was there there were like seven people they didn't care and now that there's like 40 they started to notice and they like the security guards would come by and they're like oh you're having your computer meetings again and they haven't yeah I saw you guys here last week we're like all right they still haven't figured out it's the first Friday of every month yeah so maybe we're just still there because they don't know when to catch us there's a question I'll give you an example on that we're using the first Friday analogy simply because that's when 2600 meetings are supposed to happen no I mean you can do it anytime I mean to give you some example we've got a dbs me that a bunch of us go to every Tuesday night and you know we turn up in the pizza place we eat pizza try not to leave too much of a mess but it's actually interesting you mentioned the role-playing people because yeah back in the other corner away from us we've got another group that they're role-playing people they meet there the same night we do so it's entirely a possibility I mean you know you can't say like what day you're going to have your meeting on you just do it when it's most convenient for everybody involved and again we're talking about 2600 meetings because we both are on them but it doesn't have to be a 2600 you can say you know it's the whatever meeting and have it on any day you want it's not a necessity although I do recommend consistently using either the same day of the month or like you know 2600 is the first Friday doing something like that so that people you know to show up that time yeah I'm sorry couldn't hear you yeah it's like you know people people call the pay phones at the LA meet occasionally and it's like you know last month this guy calls up he's like no is that the 2600 meeting they're like no sorry it's 2600 let me let me go next door and get them I set the phone down stand there for a couple minutes you know 2600 it's like oh wow you guys are really here you know it's like yeah you know people people keep calling us and people people keep people keep calling the guys next door I guess they got the number wrong in the magazine or something but you know the correct number is then I gave him the number of the pay phone next to me well he's like okay sorry about that so you know hang up five minutes later sure enough you know the other pay phone he's like oh and I forgot to ask you oh you got the right number now so so anybody yeah we don't particularly have like a structured meeting like we have the 2600 meeting and then like we're pretty much separated by about a half an hour each way but we all get together at one guy's house deadhead who's sitting the front row down over here and he's got a lot of land right on the like right near Salt Lake so we have trash fires is what we call we go out there and we have basically bonfires and we talk about things like why hasn't virtual reality taken off and stuff and we just dork out till three in the morning and then go home so I mean we do we do the same usual sort of get together stuff other people do like somebody would be like hey I'm having a barbecue this weekend you know y'all swing on by and you know stuff like that that's pretty informal our meeting well depends on what time you get there the official LA meeting is a union station the train station in the middle of downtown when we go for two hours we then move over to Philippe's deli down the street and then over to the Denny's by the jail exactly well here's like here's my view on this and now if this is any of you out here then I apologize for bashing on you but I'm about to you come to Def Con and you sit in the hallway with your laptop you can be on the internet 362 other days out of the year shut the damn laptop and go talk to somebody in real life yeah I just want to say that since since I drove out here from LA Thursday morning my laptop has been powered for a grand total of 20 minutes because I had to grab a piece of software that completely failed at programming the radios I was trying to program and I turn mine on to dump the images off the memory stick onto the laptop while I'm running around taking pictures the same thing I was gonna say just that's that's the whole point of the meetings it's it's social interaction it's to get people together face-to-face so they can actually talk I'll guarantee there's somebody sitting in the hallway out here that's talking to someone else in a hallway over there it's like where are you I'm a Def Con we're out where I'm in the DJ room oh really oh that's cool I'm out in the hallway by the vendor area sweet you know the con emoticon but yes it's like it's like you know when you're living with your roommates and you realize you're both on the same channel at the same time and there's about four feet of air separating you between the cinder block wall you know this is the same syndrome we're seeing here so yeah meeting somewhere without internet access I would actually say is a good thing yeah I'd agree yeah I mean if that's what they feel like doing then that's fun if they want to sit over in the corner and talk on a well instant messenger to their mom somewhere or whatever yeah and that's great you know everybody needs a hobby so like we're not as long as they're not sitting there having that like a knowing sound going off every two seconds while someone's given a talk and more power to you sitting down on her if you want to then they won't learn anything I mean that's great if they like to come to the food court once a month and sit on the internet then and you know everybody it's a free country yeah I mean and for now yeah I mean you know it's only it's only natural people are gonna turn up and bring their laptop or whatever because you know it's like a couple months ago I couldn't figure out why the hell window maker would not build on my laptop I to this day somehow it did it it works it shouldn't but that's another story yeah people turn up and you know they'll bring their machines and say like hey take a look at this or hey do you know anything about this and that's fine you know I've got no problem with that it's just internet access put it this way the internet has become the current equivalent to video rental in the 1980s it's it's something to switch off to it's it's passive entertainment and really if you're going to the meeting to do that why not just save yourself the time and travel and stay at home and sit on a well instant messenger there everybody you're talking to on IRC is probably going to be at the meeting anyway yeah you might as well go and just talk to them any more questions or any experiences in there's a million right there there you go another meeting there are alternatives to a 2600 meeting the reason we do 2600 is because it's there it's established people know what a 2600 meeting is and you know and hopefully then you know security geeks will gather around under different names but okay did everybody hear the question the threat of more beatings to come is very effective you know honestly yeah it kind of works out but I find that the way to deal with people who are just being completely rude and obnoxious is public humiliation yeah they're sitting around with about 30 of their peers and hey while it may not be the right thing to do it works for me so I'm gonna use it and it's like we had we had one guy he stood under all good here's that that's a great point what good oh yeah yeah pretty much to give you to give you an example of that we had one guy who used to turn up at our meetings semi-regularly and I swear to God this guy he looked like he was Johnny Lee Miller's stand-in and hackers okay now he also had a little bit of the I am Mr. Uberly super ninja hacksaw dude about him okay and he and I are talking and you know it's one of these things where it's like I'm the first person to turn up at the meet because I can juggle my work schedule so I'm always there on a Friday pretty much you know we're sitting there talking and in amongst telling me how ledious he's like I got a problem with my laptop I can't figure out okay whatever show me turns thing on and Windows 98 can't find the Windows Windows driver model driver for a sound card now this guy hands me a thing and I'm like dude yeah your host and sit there and probably fix it for me and back to him and you know that was that was a good object lesson in teaching him if you can't fix your goddamn sound card problem don't tell me how how how much you know because you don't and he you know after that he calmed down I mean he that he was a pretty decent guy that's like if somebody you can be a total tool as much as you want to be but people won't respect you if somebody was being a complete idiot for the first two to three months they came to the meeting and then realized that they were being an idiot and came up and said hey look you know I was being stupid and I just want to be here to learn then it's like you know what that's cool you know I mean we're not saying that because you were stupid once you're an outcast for life although as far as the group goes the damage has probably already been done so it's like just keep your mouth shut and listen for a little while you should get one there so that's a thing like even hardware hacking like whatever you're into somebody out there will be interested in the same thing and to like touch on what you said about like you know saying out the meetings not here that's like how many people heard that it's canceled it's postponed yeah okay this is I heard Defconn was canceled from some people on IRC is this true yes yeah yeah don't don't go to Defconn it's not happening it's over if it was on Fnet yeah it was true IRC is real life actually speaking actually sorry just one second we have some giveaways here from the people at Unix surplus I personally would call it a doorstop but it's actually a spark IPX and some kind of it and some kind of some kind of external scuzzy enclosure here so good questions get prizes there you go so go ahead actually interesting you mentioned that yeah every once in a while and by and large they're not really interested in this we don't care yeah only enough the actually the LA field office the FBI just to touch on this a little bit it's pretty well aware that we're just a bunch of geeks getting together we're not the problem you know we could potentially be the problem but you know it was like okay something happened oh that was other kids so yeah we do yeah we yes and no if there's this is sorry this is one other thing there's a lot of people out there right now who do not have the maturity or self-control to understand the ramifications of what they do to give you an example there were some people making phone calls to Afghanistan on stolen government emergency telephone system cards a while back they very wisely chose to do this on September 13th 2001 now these people assumed that oh yeah they'll never find us well actually they weren't actually part of our meetings they were just other kids they were just other kids sort of in the area and it was made very plain to them that their actions weren't acceptable and what it came down to was they didn't have the foresight to be able to understand how what they're doing would affect other people and you know they're now known as persona non-grata well as far as the 2600 Salt Lake City goes with with law enforcement we haven't really had any problems we get the mall security like I said who comes by and I got there's a picture one time I had him handcuff me and they were really like nervous that they were gonna break my wrist or something and so they're pretty cool with it on that in that respect we've had like when back last August we did the protest for Dmitri and we had Salt Lake Police the Highway Patrol and the State Troopers like it was like we've got nothing to do let's all go see what these dorks are doing on the corner so and once you once you explain that you're you know people pretty much think don't say don't say hacker say we're just a bunch of geeks because geeks are harmless even the road trip we were getting ready to leave we're all in the parking lot of it like a diner and and the cops show up there were some people that were out there before we walked out that were like kicking cars as they went by because they were completely drunk but so they leave and then we go out and the cop thinks that that's us you know and we're like no no no we're we're just total dorks on our way to Vegas and so you know the cops like really you know like yeah we're we're going to computer convention he's like all right well you guys have a good night yeah so you know a bunch of geeks in a parking lot at two in the morning strapping wireless antennas to a van kind of blue cap I don't have any patience for that if somebody's doing something illegal or if they're breaking something I get real ugly real quick so it's usually taken care of immediately yeah I mean usually usually a real quiet just taking off to the side and the same listen man you know you're not wanted here yeah you don't necessarily like just flat out you make it well now that they're unwelcome everybody else knows that they see the guy around again they don't you know they don't drag him back they don't bring him around right oh you haven't get that get his docks or something you know I mean this is the other thing you know the place where we meet we're right next to a main fire station we're in downtown we get cops in and out of there just having lunch you know it's a little of their shift they're hungry they're gonna grab a sandwich and these guys they know what they know where they're we know they're there who cares you know the nobody they don't even notice us we're just other people in the restaurant yes yeah I mean that's that's the whole thing about policing yourself you know if you've got people who are causing problems you've got to get him out of there because it's gonna come down on everybody else ultimately yeah there's it doesn't you know good to have have the meeting shut down because one person isn't it yeah basically they made a good point if you don't police yourself the cops will so you just like I said though when it gets to the point to where you have like a technical agenda and you say like you know or some kind of structure to a meeting where people discuss things the generally the people who are gonna cause problems or are you know just there to be stupid won't go because they have if there's only one of them they have no one else to feed off of you know idiots are great when there's two of them you know feeding each other on but when there's one of them and a bunch of intelligent people they get really uncomfortable really fast and they'll usually head on out the door or just not show up the next month so it becomes a self-policing meeting and we just start getting stuff yeah let's give stuff away actually you can you can come up here and battle it out for the question we'll give you a spark you get somebody as good-looking as us I don't know yeah that's a good you know if you figure it out you let us know that is a good question okay what do you want to spark her an enclosure no you are taking one of these okay so that's sticking us with it sure I gotta for being bossy yeah that that's that is how about how about an enclosure nobody else wants it you don't get it dude yeah we have a bunch of them at the scavenger hunt table go over there and register a team and win the scavenger hunt you'll get a couple of them so anybody else yeah sure yeah go ahead if people are interested they'll stay I mean it's not it's not like growing plants you know you don't you know water and feed them if people like like what's going on they'll come back and as far as getting new members you know do the flyer thing you know update the website get yourself listed in the back of 2600 and even like a message for or something like that would be good and then when you get to a point to where you have like 30 some odd 40 some odd members people just start showing up word of mouth we'll get it around so we don't really work on group projects that's like a 2600 group like there are individual groups within our 2600 meaning like the hectic crew and ZZQ her groups rhyme but our accomplishments are getting this out there getting like all the talks like that's what we have DVD ripping the right way intro to ham radios basics of foot printing pirate radio tracer out explained vnc the art of laziness actually stuff like that we just get the information out there and that's what we're trying to accomplish with it this is actually touching on something else that's a pretty good point you can come up with projects out the wazoo while you want I mean you can sit there and come up project after project after project and you can't make people do it if people are interested they'll latch on to them but you can't say like you know this month we're going to and expect everybody to sit there and you know turn in the little worker hive and build or do or whatever you can't get a bunch of people who don't like programming to sit around yeah and program so yeah I don't like my first name so I'm grifter I don't like his first name I really I couldn't hear what you said no we always ask like you know if you don't want to be on there you get a blurred face if you don't want to be on there then you know you don't have to be it's not like yeah like I said that that part of the site we don't even use anymore so I mean we don't we don't even have much in the way of pictures of people up there and we've got like our 10th anniversary pictures you know and it's it's pretty much a case of it's a meeting you're supposed to be turning up you know if you don't know anybody there it's not going to do you any good to have the faces beforehand but you know like you said the second knowing the guy you were talking to last month it makes sense yeah and for the most part all the pictures that we take each month like I put a little description of what it is if I can think of something witty so which it usually isn't but any other questions I don't know but I think we should give that guy something because he's got the number 23 on his shirt same as you know regular it's Friday first Friday of the month five to eight and then afterwards if you're smart and invited there's a after meeting at a bar so you actually have to have been on the BBS at some point in your life to go that and it's at the food court just in the ZCMI mall in Salt Lake so it's in the back of it let's give this stuff away and get out yeah okay who looks most deserving of an item let's make him do something stupid okay let's see battle of the geeks for now that's that's just sad and boring I've seen that happen before we should just give that guy a spark let's give him a spark just give me you can come get the spark man yeah we come get the spark you are worthy of the spark okay all right just being difficult let's give it a something okay yeah I got it oh caddy loader no caddy so this fine scuzzy enclosure um okay who would do something stupid and or demeaning for it holding up a laptop is neither stupid nor demeaning but it's ready yeah you know okay the red hat guy gets the enclosure thanks for coming out thanks folks


schedule of vaccines according to 2023 updated immunization schedule. I would request you to divide the stages of vaccination like this. So at birth, we need to provide three vaccines that is BCG, Hepatitis B and OPV. At 6-10-14 weeks, we need to give OPV, PentaVac and Rotavirus. Rotavirus has only three dose, but these Pentavalent and OPV have a booster at 10-24 months and one more booster at 5-6 years. And the group of vaccines which is given at 6-14 weeks, fractional IPV and Emococcal Conjicate vaccine, these two vaccines, the booster dose is given at 9 months. And then the vaccines of this time is the two subcutaneous vaccine that is measles or MMR and we have the other subcutaneous vaccine, JE. So along with that, we start giving Vitamin A also. Then the next stage is the 16-24 months. There we need to give OPV booster and DPT booster. MR and JE second dose will be given here. Then every six months after one year, we need to give Vitamin A till 5 years of age, 5-6 years of age. We need to give the DPT second booster and at 10-16 years of age, we need to give TED vaccine.


Welcome to JSA TV, the newsroom for tech and telecom professionals. I'm Jamie Scott-Okitaya, here at the Chorus Communications Lounge at Channel Partners Evolution. And joining me today, my honor to have Mr. Kelly Ahuja, he's of course the CEO of Versa Networks. Kelly, it's a pleasure to have you. Thank you for having me here, Jamie. Really truly our honor. And Versa Networks, for those who may not already know, really leading the way in SD-WAN technology, you yourself a thought leader on the field on the topic. Can you tell us where do you see SD-WAN heading? You know, SD-WAN is happening now and it's happening in a big way. Any enterprise customer that we touch, whether it's through our Channel Partners, our service provider, MSPs, you know, what we're hearing is the market is here and now. Every customer is transforming their WAN. And what's driving that transformation is really the transition that they're making to being a digital enterprise and that shift over from a private to a hybrid or a multi-cloud infrastructure in SaaS is driving the need for a WAN transformation. And that's where SD-WAN is fitting in. For sure. And Versa Networks in that field, really disrupting it. So can you tell us a little bit about how and why? Yeah, absolutely. And this is a really exciting time for us, Jamie, because what we're finding ourselves in the middle of the tornado market, which is actually a very well good fit for us. Why? Because as enterprises are shifting over to a multi-cloud environment in SaaS, they want to be able to break out their applications. So for example, somebody wants to access Office 365 or some other SaaS provider or a cloud directly from the remote sites. The only way they can do that is to provide internet connectivity at that site. And we provide that internet connectivity. You need to have visibility. You need to have control. You need to have information. And to be able to say this application from this user, send it down this path. And that's what really the promise of what we deliver is not just SD-WAN but Software Defined Branch, which is unlike any other provider that's out there, any other equipment vendor that's out there. And then our go-to market is the broadest. We are working with service providers, the large carriers. We have customers like Verizon, Comcast, CenturyLink, plus many other global providers that are out there, including managed service providers. So in total, we're nearly about 70 managed service providers out there today. And then we're addressing about 600 enterprise customers through those or large enterprises that want to do it themselves or through systems integrators, working with them as well. So we have a broad go-to market. We have a great technology set. We've actually got security built in into our solution, which is very, very critical as you're going to be distributing internet connectivity to every one of the locations. You want to be able to protect that site as you do at any location. So that makes us unique and differentiated in the market, and that's why we're winning. I was going to ask you about your security play because there's definitely a reason to go ahead and go in contact first. Today everyone is talking about security while building out their network, so clearly you've got them covered there. We do. And in fact, what I tell people is, without security, SD-WAN won't happen. And every other solution out there today is a bolt-on on security, whether it's a cloud player or another appliance. And we think that model is antiquated. We think the real solution has got to be security built in, and security and network should be tied together because the on-ramp for these multi-clouds is going to be the internet as well as MPLS networks, and you've got to have that on-ramp secure. So to be able to do that, you've got to have security as an integral part of the offer, and that's what we provide. Love it. Love it. So for our viewers who I'm sure definitely want to learn more, where can they go? Well they can come to our website at www.versa-networks.com. They can come into our offices if they want, give us a call, or reach out to our sales teams, but also for our channel partners. They can certainly go to their service provider carrier customers as well, and get information from them also. There you have it, Versa-networks.com. Thank you Kelly for joining us. And thank you viewers for tuning in to JSA TV. Happy networking.


Alright, no, we can't we can't focus on a mole. We can't get distracted this video is not about a mole You know a mole, you know season 4 is still in the works Don't ask me why a mole looks like that that spoilers We are here today because shinobi strikers has dropped brand new DLC and I don't I wouldn't normally do this You know, I'm saving it for a mole season 4, but dude come on It's it's a tachi. He's got a very funny ultimate and he's got a sukiyomi ability No, we have to play a tachi So that is why we are going to go ahead and celebrate the big DLC release celebration I hop in in and playing some reanimated a tachi. Why is a mole level 8? I Prestige it's like Call of Duty, but they forced me to I went up in the ninja world I'm almost a Jonin. That's for another time another stream, you know base battle. This is perfect This is the perfect place to test my visual prowess. Damn. Look at us. We both got pet crows. Oh My god, they got three pet crows and haka haka who is just What oh, I thought I was like glitched in the ground. Oh, that was that was the first visual genjutsu of the night All right, so obviously the ezanami is our goal. Look at us. You were just all walking around like mindless zombies But we also have the sukiyomi, which is super powerful It just stuns them for well to them thousands of years But to us maybe like couple seconds or two like watch if we look at this look at this guy You see him in the distance if I come over to him and I'm just like hey man You mind if I use my visual prowess now. He's up probably being stabbed thousand years of being stabbed and oh That's probably what he went through that's probably what he saw and it's you could see you could see not great for the mental But you know, I've never been hit by that move And I guess I needed to see what it looked like. All right, let's go use some visual jutsus These guys need my healing scroll. Hold on wait before I do.  I went from the bully to the bullier And I can't believe that's what the jutsu looks like. Hey, is this guy trying to get the flag? Let me just use a little visual prowess on him and then I think I'll throw some Yasaka beads at him That guy got that guy got destroyed. I could only imagine what that looked like in his eyes Oh God. Hey, you want visual prowess? Oh, he dodged it. I'll just have to use Susan. Oh Yep, these are both normal abilities. By the way, these are just two Standard abilities atachi is not broken whatsoever.  He doesn't know where to he doesn't know where to hide his eyesight, dude He's like, I don't know how many shoes I can look at die Oh, he dodged it. Oh That was an exploding clay bomb Oh my god, no When was I trapped in the isanami when did it happen who hit me with their visual jutsu am I out am I still in it I'm just gonna leave. I think I'm out. It was you you hit me with it. Didn't you? Oh Oh, oh What's happening? I can't even understand reality. We're just a claybomb off Okay, I think this guy I think this guy understands to touch you a little better than I do Except I put him in the genjutsu as well. You see All right now. I'm gonna curse you to the isanami. He's gonna relive this a lot All right, so he's gonna return to that spot in 10 seconds. He should be returning any second now There he goes He'll probably return one more time He thinks he's fighting me, but he's not yep, there he goes and then I'll just rewrite time and now I'm blind in my left Eye, but there I can't see dude. I'm blind in my left eye.  All right, hold on my ah just when I was getting my eyesight back another genjutsu God damn that just for the people watching the video. That was not an editing effect. I literally lost my my left eye Oh, what where did you come from? All right suffer a thousand years of pain And then catch them yasaka beads Easy win dude Easy win so i'm gonna chat said that's cool how it blinds you like that bro. It took away half my vision That was way too much genjutsu in one match I couldn't even keep track of it dude. Oh, we ranking up in hero mode yo So to explain isanami the ultimate basically once you cast it on a person At the next 10 seconds will go by and then they'll be standing right back where they were when you cast it on them And then it will happen again And then you can recast the ultimate after that point to do a map wide first of all It does a map wide resurrection of your team if anybody's dead And it also gets rid of everybody's debuffs and I think I'm not sure on this But I think it also brings them back to that same spot again And you lose eyesight in your eye. Oh finally do at least they don't have any ataches All right, they're gonna have way less genjutsu than us I At least the only person taking away my eyesight is gonna be me this time So this is reanimation. Let me go ahead and reanimate Some w's real quick movement tech movement tech movement tech You can see even though I've taken some time off from the game. I am still go I'll have you no pain. That was a genjutsu. That's why you got me go into a thousand years. Oh, nope. He dodged it Genjutsu not really the best in-air. It's hard to get their eyes.  Oh, there you are All right, all right, hold on. Yeah, this paper shield's gonna get up. No, I should have subbed. I can't be doing this Oh, no. Oh no, our teammate needs us No, stay strong Stay strong. I'm coming. No No No God damn it, dude All right, he's in a genjutsu. Don't even worry about him. Just get paid Just get these two. Oh the clone. Let's go double kill. I'll take it. That's more than enough revenge I'm getting that scroll. All right. Where's pain? All right, data.  Where's pain? Four more until victory. I haven't even used my ultimate genjutsu close enough He's an army. He's coming right back here. I don't know where he thinks he's going. Where'd I cast it on him here? He'll be back. They all come back Hey, look who's back Where'd you go, man? I was starting to miss you You'll be back. You'll be back. They all come back Hey, welcome back. You know what?  I can't see too well Can't see too well. I'm just fighting blind That's such that's such an annoying ultimate If he was over the gap and I hit him with genjutsu would that just would that just make him fall to his death? I kind of want to try it Ah, that's probably why it misses so easily in the air That's an exploding clone. Yep Looks like we'll both fall together Except you'll be doing it in a thousand years of pain Hey man, I missed All right, maybe I'll be doing it alone. We actually could lose this I gotta get to my team and help. Is that our friendly frog a gamma boon to that you? Ah, he seems pretty cool. All right. I gotta go heal my team I am a healer first and foremost. Why is it so misty? Oh, we all right. We got a huge lead now All right, we should have this easy win locked up Easy win boys. We got it locked up pain. Do what you got to do. I've already won I've already won. I'm taking the w and I'm Performing the worst on my team I was blind in one eye. That's my excuse That's my excuse do better. Look see do better. This guy's inspiring me Do better. I think I will I was the last person on my team. So I feel like there is some improvements to bank Ooh hidden leaf bright and early.  Uh-oh. There's a mitachi on the other team Well, there's technically two but I'm only really worried about the mental effects of one This guy sucks to play against dude. I It's gonna be even worse when there's just on creative characters and you don't know Like imagine getting hit by this ultimate and you just don't know Hey, let me hit him with some yasaka beads. Yep. That's what I like to see Throw some hands with that's a I'm jumping down. What's up You thought you could run for me. You thought I wouldn't you thought I wouldn't hold the grudge No, it's all grudge holding here Oh That yasaka beads ability is good. Wait, what happened? Why are there so many of him? Wait, I thought we had all I was looking at the wrong teams, weren't I? I looked at the wrong teams. Is that what happened? Is my team the one with only me? Oh, no Oh, no, I was I'm in danger. Hey, what are you doing up there not in a thousand years of pain?  Come here So annoying And again on his screen he was being stabbed That was no joke on his screen on my screen.  I'm a support type which means obviously I do more damage and I'm just strong and overall pretty good Oh, no The genjutsu it hurts Hold on. Don't stand still. Oh, you don't want to stand still Naruto. Don't stand still. Nope. Nope.  This is karma. Yep. I deserve that I'll admit it. Did someone just hit me with ease enough? Yep. Yep.  I'm not in a genjutsu. I'm sure I'll be fine I'm just gonna get far away from here I'm probably still under the effects of the genjutsu. I just don't know it Am I good? Nope. Nope. No. I just when I thought I was safe. I'm right back in it Oh Control the flow of your chakra Dude, I don't think I can against hey stop with the fancy movement tech. Yeah, that's a clone I got a oh you put a clone on my clone. Oh Ah At least get him with mine. Why is he walking up like that? Why is he doing bits to me? So as you can see the character is pretty intimidating All right, my team is losing and I'm just simply not gonna stand for that I'm built different Oh Jesus Damn it missed. Oh, no, it's clutch time All right, we shouldn't take any fights.  All right I'm back. Oh Nice my gara just actually I think just clutched up. Oh That was huge gara No matter where you run, you'll come right back to this moment. I guarantee it Don't even try running away.  Did y'all just kill them? I think y'all might have just killed them damn. I can't believe we turned it around. I mean gara mostly did it But I mean shout out to me for being here genjutsu. I missed. I tried my best though guys All right, I'll just use my susano ability got him Gigi's well played Still ranking up.  They should have at least brought one otachi That's their that's their biggest mistake. I have I lost yet. I don't know if I've lost yet That could be the overconfidence talking, but I don't know if it's happening. Let me see if I can't catch anybody Hey, what are you doing standing on the point? Oh never mind Crow attack. Oh, that was sick. I broke his guard and I'm getting tossed around by something I actually don't know what that was I got him. I stunned him. He's in the genjutsu. Look at him. Look at him slumped over And he healed himself.  There's so many of us Oh, it automatically breaks your Wow, that could have been really bad if it like brought me down Damn it. They keep resetting the point. This is a battle right now, dude. This is a whole battle It's because these two Naruto's can heal themselves and the true seeking orb just is a wall of impenetrable black air force energy, dude. I can't get in there Am I gonna die? Hell no, I got healing tags. I'm good. All right. Who am I using ezanamio? All right, I used it on that guy I don't know where he was standing when I got him, but I guess we'll see where he returns to I'm just gonna watch him Uh, 10 seconds is up. There he goes Look at him.  He doesn't know where he is All right, I'm gonna stun him And I'm blind. I kind of always forget about the blind part. Honestly. It shocks me every time Oh, we're doing work though. I don't even need to see. I just need a block No, no, no, oh feather genjutsu. All right, they might have two points now, but they won't in the future Especially with uh, I think I'm about to hit a Hit a little tactic known as the flank here Oh strategic strategic Prefire the yasaka beads. That was genius genjutsu to keep him at bay. No, it didn't work. It didn't work. All right. All right But I'm gonna at least keep him here Got him. All right. That's one target. I don't have to worry about At least for a little bit. Okay. He's back We get b yet. How are we not getting b? Am I gonna have to go back to b? I thought this strategy would be foolproof Oh, I'm sealed. I can't even use my jutsus help This was not the move. I thought this was the move, but it wasn't I am still sealed. What did they do to me? What did they do to me? They They they did something to me. They poisoned me That was not the play dude. Uh, I thought it it seemed foolproof at the time It's impossible to win.  Oh, we we actually did get overtime. No No, no, it's gonna be too slow No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait I I can't believe it. We just couldn't compete. We weren't I don't know what happened. We we couldn't compete. That was a that was a tough loss We still got an upgrade though. Yo, even when I lose, I stay winning. All right. You know what? Let's cap it off with one big finale and I'm getting a win on this one Oh, come on. They got two otaches at least. Yeah At least we got two otaches. The math is really evening out here and we got a zabuza And we got a dude and we got a side. These guys are going to be blind in both eyes All right. All right. All right, atashi.  I'll take that as a yes All right. Come up come up here. Come up here. Oh Oh, no, could not be me. Could not be me. Stop. Oh, I missed. I missed. How do you miss again jutsu? All right, it has become apparent that the time to leave was yesterday And so I will make my grand escape. I hope you enjoyed my exploding clone. I am gone. Goodbye farewell Oh, no, please. Oh no, run All right, I'm running sakura you can chase me, but you won't be with me for long Sakura you're literally going back sakura get off me. You're not even actually following me. It's again jutsu. Yep, and there you go I hope you learned your lesson through that sakura.  Oh, all right. Nope. I'm out of here Help We got a code five Oh, no, when was I putting the ezenami?  No jutsu. What was that? Oh, let's go. Just one more hit nice. All right. We tied it up. That was great All right, stay in my vicinity so I can healing tag beautiful beautiful All right, ezenami's almost up as well. We got a chance. We got a chance. This is gonna have to be clutch though Keep it pinned got them in the genjutsu double the genjutsu Why is he when they start floating like that? It's confusing I'm just using my jutsu. I don't care if I lose. I don't care if I lose the Oh, oh, how did I even see your eyes to make contact with the jutsu?   We couldn't make it happen, but that was a lot of fun


Hello, I'm a citizen and I'm the government and I'm gonna build a new porch actually I think that porch is a little close to my sidewalk, so It's just just a porch shouldn't be an issue just your proposal has been denied. It's my sidewalk, but it's my house Sure it is Also, make sure to clean the snow off of my sidewalk or else. I'm gonna find you Hello, I'm a citizen and I'm the government. Hey you like corn, right? Yeah, I like corn great. We need your money for corn Okay, how much corn do I get? Oh, no, you don't get corn We're paying the farmers to grow the corn if you want corn you need to buy corn, but I already paid for that corn No, no, you didn't you paid to make the corn cheaper later if you do buy it. I Don't understand so you're paying now to make corn cheaper later for people who buy corn Otherwise corn might be a little more expensive and if that happens then cheap corn might flood the market from God only knows where Yeah, okay. Yeah, fine Hey, you like sugar, right? Just take my wallet You should also not eat sugar Hello, I'm a citizen and I'm the government great news I have recently decided that you can have a relationship with anyone you wish Well, hey, that's fantastic. Can congratulations. Thanks for coming around. Yep. Finally turn the corner on that I will no longer be standing in the way. Okay, great I would like to have an economic relationship with Cuba. No, okay. Sorry just the just the sexy relationships the sex Relationships, right so I can marry as many people as I want. Nope. Nope. Just the one just just one relationship One relationship at a time got it. Okay, so if I want to pay that lady for sex. No God Girls, what is with you people? Oh? Hello, I'm a citizen and I'm the government Wanted to talk to you. I've been running the numbers. I declare war What I declare war on him What did that guy do?


Okay, Jonathan here. So showing you how to use or structure a funnel So that you know, you can extract as much lifetime value and average all the value from the customer when they buy the first time Right. So if you think about it, a funnel is basically a series of steps that a customer goes through before they actually buy and finish their purchase Okay, so this app is called reconvert. We use it on Shopify stores. It's very very easy to use and in the past Like the upsell sequence was very very conky and not very good at all for Shopify site That's why a lot of people use click funnels for their funnel software and stuff like that to be fair Shopify is very difficult to Customize as well. So it still doesn't have that soft customization where every single landing page You still can optimize to the max, but it's still a good solution. Nonetheless. Okay So for example, this upsell sequence right here, it's a very very simple If someone buys an order, for example, right that the triggers basically the order is completed, right? So you're gonna upsell one thing. So imagine This offer right here. So you're gonna have an upsell number one Okay, and so you can see if the person buys this it takes you up on this this offer, for example You can go to upsell number two. Okay, and this is the maximum that they offer So you only can do up to two upsells, right after they have bought the second upsell, for example Then they go to the thank you page, right? So this means that the order has completed already Okay, if the person buys for example, and then they go to offer number one what you can do here You can see you can offer a downsell. So a downsell is basically when a person buys and they reject your offer So they reject your first upsell then you can offer them something else So for example, if they don't want to go and buy more stuff, you can buy and offer them a more Less expensive thing, right? You can also push them to the thank you page immediately as you can see here You can see this one as well. If the person buys the first thing, they buy the first upsell and they don't buy the second upsell So they decline the upsell, right? Then it goes to the thank you page as well. Okay. Yeah So it's it's very very easy now within Shopify per se because of this update, right? And you can check out reconvert down below as well. Yeah, but basically these are very standard upsell structure Right. It's like, yeah, the guy buys one thing you offer them one thing And then you offer them upsell number two and then afterwards is a thank you page and it's finished. Okay So this is a structure general structure of how you would generally do it and I hope this helps, right? This can really increase your average all the value over time as well so they'll be really useful for you and Yeah, this is basically this is for the post purchase sequence and stuff You don't have to how do I says complicate the issue because most of the time when people buy one thing They generally like that thing already. So most of the time you're upsell number one, right? You're probably going to Sell the same thing to the same customer Generally the take-up rate for that is the highest. Okay. So hopefully that makes sense to you and yep That's pretty much it


Family Theater presents Leo McCary, Betty Lynn, and John Howard. The Mutual Network in cooperation with Family Theater brings you John Howard and Betty Lynn in Robert Louis Stevenson's classic, The Black Arrow. To introduce the drama, your host, Leo McCary. Thank you, Gene Baker. All of us spend many happy hours living in the shadow of our memories. One of my first recollections was hearing my mother read to me the wonderful stories of Robert Louis Stevenson. So tonight on Family Theater, it's like calling on an old friend when I introduce Robert Louis Stevenson's well-remembered classic, The Black Arrow. In this story of 15th century England, you will hear John Howard as Richard Shelton and Betty Lynn as Joanna Sidley, alias Jack Machum. Come, let Gene Baker tell you about The Black Arrow. During the War of Roses and the House of York and the House of Lancaster both fought to control the throne of England that many scheming warlords came into power. Among these was Sir Daniel Brackley. Through murder, violence, and theft, Sir Daniel and his men of Lancaster had taken Tunstall Forest and the surrounding countryside. And although the tenants were forced to follow Sir Daniel, in their secret hearts they remained loyal to the House of York and Sir Ellis Duckworth, their rightful leader. Late one spring afternoon, two of Sir Daniel's loyal followers, Bennett Hatch and Nicholas Applegard, stood before the Tunstall Mothouse when a horseman approached. Look, Bennett Hatch, it's Master Richard Shelton, Sir Daniel's ward. It's like Sir Daniel's in trouble again and needs men and arms to take more land. Whoa, whoa there! Master Richard, what news of Sir Daniel? Sir Daniel is sent word to you, Bennett Hatch, for every man that can draw a bow to follow you to Ketley. What of me, Master Richard? Did Sir Daniel send word to me, his most faithful bowman? I, Nick, bet he did. Sir Daniel ordered that Bennett Hatch join him at Ketley with reinforcements. And ye, Nick? He said ye are the only one who can protect his mothouse. When the pinch comes, he remembers the old shoe. There's not a man in all Tunstall Forest. Can back a horse or draw a bow like... What is it, Nick? The birds, Master Richard, the birds scattering in the forest. Look ye, Bennett, they are all, they've got old Nick. The birds, enemies.  Hey, Bennett, they ride away. I'm done for that. Oh, son, remember what I forgot. Keep a good eye on the forest when birds scatter, enemies appear. Now, Master Richard, pluck out the arrow.  Pluck it out. Aye, it is out. Oh, son, who is it, Mary? Oh, England. God rest ye, old Nick. Look, Bennett, it is a stream, Gerald.  With partsmen wrapped around the shaft. Hey, wipe the blood away, Master Richard Shelton, and read it. Aye, it is clean now. It says, I had four black arrows under my belt. Four for the griefs that I have felt. One is gone, one is well sped. For old Nick Appleyard is dead. One is for Mr. Bennett Hatch, who burned Castle Grimstone, walls and thatch. One for Sir Daniel of the Moat, who cut Sir... Sir Harry Shelton's throat. Enough, Master Shelton. This is unseasonable talk. One for Sir Daniel, who cut Sir Harry Shelton's throat. Sir Harry was my father, Bennett. Give me the parchment, Master Richard. My father, murdered by my guardian. False words, Master Richard. But come, lad, I'll watch over old Nick while ye, Richard, take this note and write post haste to Sir Daniel with the news of his death. Aye, sir. Heaven be with you, Bennett Hatch. I'll tell Sir Daniel you'll soon reach Ketley with more men. The countryside had come but recently into Sir Daniel's clutches. With it had come its rightful owner, Joanna Sedley, an orphan. After killing her guardian and taking Joanna prisoner, Sir Daniel had forced her to dress as a boy and named her Jack Macho. In this disguise, he hoped no one would learn of her whereabouts until he could make himself her legal guardian, which would give him full control of her estates and her dowry rights. As Sir Daniel sits at dinner, Joanna huddles in the corner, praying for some means of escape. Now, lass, come here, there.  You're well disguised. He called me, Sir Daniel. Was it to laugh at my plight? Some day shall answer for this and for the death of my guardian, Sir Daniel. Aye, the lass has spunk. Ah, but come, Joanna, Master Jack, as we call ye. Sit down and eat. I will not eat with ye, Sir Daniel. You are Lancaster. I am a Yorker. Oh, listen to the child. You'll change your mind when I make you a rich wedding. You shall marry my ward, Richard Shelton. Do you use my name in vain, Sir Daniel? How Richard Richard Shelton? What news, lad? What brings ye here? Grave news, Sir Daniel. I bring ye tidings of the black arrow. The black arrow? Come, lad, out with it. Take ye this paper and read it. It was fastened to a black arrow. What's this? Nicholas Appliard killed by the black arrow? It is true. But read further, Sir Daniel. Who cuts Sir Harry Shelton's throat? What madness is this? Who dares accuse me of slaying your father? To sign by Sir Ellis Duckworth. Sir Ellis Duckworth? It is tiny new, Richard. This Duckworth, a York like your father, killed him in cold blood so he could be made leader of your father's men. But it happened at Tunstall Moathouse. Nay. It was between the Moathouse and Mount Holywood, Richard. Believe me, for I loved your father. But come now, eat up, lad, while I write a line for ye to take back to Tunstall. Oh, well. It would have been in vain to argue with Sir Daniel. Richard. Sir Richard. Make not a sign, I beg of ye, but tell me the straight way to Mount Holywood near Tunstall Forest. Why, lad? Take the path by the windmill. It will bring ye to the Till River Ferry. But why do ye seek Mount Holywood? My guardian once told me, if ever I was in trouble, the good father at Mount Holywood would help me. I need his help now. But, lad, cannot Sir Daniel help ye? Nay, Sir Richard. He holds me prisoner. I do not understand. Look ye, if ye would escape, Master Jack, go quickly. Sir Daniel returns. Aye, and thank ye, Sir Richard. I am ever in line. Here's the letter, and Godspeed ye, Richard. Now I'll have words with the lad, Jack. Jack Matchum, where are ye? He was just here. Joanna, by the sacred root, where is she? Richard, where is that girl? Girl? Nay, Sir, I saw no girl. Boy, then fool, where is he? He's worth 500 pounds. And off with ye, Richard, to Tunstall alone. I'll take some men and hunt for Jack and beat upon their heads if they find him not. Sir Daniel and his men took off at once in search of Jack Matchum. Richard, unaware that the boy he had aided at escaping was actually Joanna Sedley, rode rapidly toward the Till River ferry, soon overtaking the disguise girl. Has Sir Daniel missed me, Master Richard? Aye, lad, and he started out searching. He told him not? Nay, first he asked me if I'd seen a girl, and I hadn't. Then he became excited about you, Jack, and asked me nothing more. Oh, thank you, Master Richard. You've helped me so far. Now I know not what to do. I helped you once, lad. I'll help you again. But I have no horse, and I'm so weary. Yeah, ride behind me, lad. I doubt not that my horse can carry the added weight. Here, my hand. Now, up with ye. Ah, there we are. Off now. How came ye with Sir Daniel, Master Jack? He killed my guardian and took me by force. I was grazed in the foot and walked lamely, boy. Boy? Why do you call me boy, Jack? You're not the elder, are you? Nay, if you don't like being called boy, shall I call ye girl, good Richard? Ah, never a girl for me.  Oh, I meant the pleasantry, Richard. If I talk of women, it's because I... Whoa, there, whoa! Sir Daniel's trumpeter. Wait, they'll overtake us. Nay, we have a good start, and we're near the ferry. Well, last Richard, I'm frightened. Don't let them get me again. I'll help ye, Jack, Madam. Never fear. Then what may I see is safe and tons to forest. On, off! Faster the good steed ran, now distancing Sir Daniel's men who were unaware that they were so close to their current. Through thicket and blade ran the horse, finally reaching the ferry which began the crossing. Nearly across the river were they, and from the far bank appeared Sir Daniel's men. Almost to the willows the ferry ran, and then Richard's horse, struck by one of the arrows, and he watched nothing go out. They can't swim! They can't! He's dead, he brought. Here, take my hand. Here, Richard. Where? Where? Hold on, Richard, I've got you. I've got you. Oh, there you are, Richard. Say for sure, always run so far. I... I say, George, Jack, that makes a life for you. I swim like... like a cannonball. Come on, Jack, we've got to run for it. All right, I must take the long way around. Richard, you'll have to leave me. My foot, Richard, I can't go on. We'll hide till you rest your foot. But they'll find us, Richard, you must go on. I'll not leave you, Master Jack. Did you not just save me from drowning? I... and we're friends now. We were never unfriends. Are we near Mount Hollywood? I've clean lost the path, Jack. But we've lost the Yorks, too. Now then, lad, lean on my shoulder, and I'll help you along. I'll try, but right now my heart aches with hunger. Well, here, take this bread and bacon. Sit down and eat while Sago look for the road. We must run, there are men in this wood. Aye, but where? We'll try this path. Just ahead there is a mansion in ruins, just brimed with fire. It must be Grimstone. It was when it hatched that burned it. We can at least seek shelter in the rafters. Here we are, lad, and none too soon. Those men bless them, they're Yorks. But she addressed like a Lancaster. Here, come under these rafters. We'll be hidden from view. Aye, there must be fifty men, Richard. Aye, look, that one there. He must be the leader. Men, fellows, all. We are here some fifty strong. Each man of us most fowlly wronged. We've lost our homes, our land, our friends. Shall he sit snug in our houses? Fellowship, we do only good for others. We right wrongs. I work only to avenge the wrong done our beloved leader, Sir Harry Sheldon. In your places, Sir Daniel must pass this forest to reach the moathouse. Let not one man's soul escape. Sir Alex, quick, it is not Sir Daniel, but some of these men are fast approaching.  Quickly now. Let us go forth now, Richard, to Mount Holywood. To Mount Holywood? When Sir Daniel's men are in danger? Nay, I must warn them. Warn them? Richard, heard ye not, Sir Alice. Have ye no heart for your own father? It was Sir Daniel's slew, your father, at the moathouse. Jack, I know not what to believe. But this I know. Sir Daniel has raised me, his men I've hunted with, played among, to leave them in this hour of peril. Nay, Jack, he would not ask it. Warned Sir Daniel's men went the two. But they arrived too late. All of Sir Daniel's men had fallen. A black arrow through his heart. Turning to lead, they came upon Sir Daniel, who, alone and frightened, begged Richard to accompany him to the moathouse. As they entered the moathouse courtyard, Bennett Hatch hurried up to them from a group of souls. Master Richard, heart is good to see ye again. But soon we shall all go. Most of our men have been slain, and the woods outside moathouse lie thick with the auction men. If we are all to go, Bennett Hatch, then to this time I knew. How came my father by his end? Ask me not that again, Master Richard. I had no hand, no knowledge in it. I shall then ask Sir Daniel. Richard, if ye have art against me, speak and say. Sir, my father fell when I was yet a child. It has come to my ears that he was murdered, and that he had a hand in his death. And ye think I would be guardian to the man's son I had murdered? I had hoped not. But indeed, sir, a wardship is most profitable. All these years have ye not enjoyed the revenues from my land, and led my men...  But, since ye trust me not, I shall punish ye to the room above the chapel. Then truly ye must be guilty to hold me prisoner here? Take him, men! It is your desire, Jack Matchell. But this house is full of spies. Sir Daniel is truly a wicked man. Ye are in danger. Richard, do ye know that tomorrow Sir Daniel plans to take your life? Soon, Sir Daniel will discover I am here with ye. Ye know now, Richard, I am not Jack Matchell.  Ye're not Jack. I can tell that plainly now. Oh, Richard, I thought ye'd never find out. Johanna! Johanna Sedlis! Ye are Johanna Sedlis, the maid that would not marry me. But I've changed my mind, Richard, if ye were to ask me to be your wife. Your wife? Ah, Johanna, he saved my life once, and I saved yours. Now I'm a prisoner. But I must say this, ye're the best maid in the bravest under heaven. And if we escape from here, we will wed. But live or die, I love ye. Well, come up, speak up, Jack. Be a good maid and say ye love me. Why else, Richard, would I be here? Come, I will show ye the trapdoor in this room. We will... Straight, Johanna, they know ye're there. Johanna, Sir Daniel will follow by the trapdoor. Oh, but the window's unbathed. They will think ye'll escape that way. Come quickly. Give me your hand and follow me. Passage grows narrow. Aye, we must be in the dungeons. They've walked quite a distance, still there's no outlet. Now tell Johanna, see up ahead, that chink of light. A huge stone with a light shine, sir. Help me, Johanna. Help me move this stone. If someone holds it, Richard, it would move away. They, Johanna, there is a weight upon it. Look, that iron bar in the corner. Ah, the gods are with us, Johanna. That's worth for ye, Johanna. Look, see this rope? It falls into the moat below. If I but lower it. It's a great distance down, Richard. The rope still hasn't reached the water. It's so far, I'm afraid. Constance, we'll make it together. I'll go first and steady the rope. You follow. It's so far, Richard, we can't both make it.  Go now, return later to me. Oh, Johanna, my love. I'll come back for ye, never fear. The air roared in Richard's ears as he slid down the rope. He saw the stars reflected in the moat below. Then he lost hold and fell into the icy water. All feeling left him. Then oblivion. Struggling back to consciousness, he found himself in strange surroundings. Well, where am I? What has happened? Quiet, Richard, my boy. Don't talk. You've been sick. But you're well now. But ye, who are ye? Ye are in the hands of friends, Richard. I loved your father, and I love ye for his sake. Ah, ye must be, Sir Ellis Duckworth. Aye, Richard, your father led the Yorks through many a battle, only to fall at the hands of one of his best friends, Sir Daniel Brackley. Since that time, my men and I have formed a fellowship, and we have used the black arrow only to right the wrongs done by Sir Daniel and his band of thieves and murderers. Then it is true. Ye are a good man and brave. But how did I get here? My men found ye on the shore by the moat. He had a tear in your scalp when they brought ye to me. But Sir Daniel, he was chasing me. He must have thought ye dead when ye hit the water. And, Joanna, what have Joanna saidly? Heavy news? Aye, Richard. Well, ye were still sick. Three times we stormed Sir Daniel's castle, and three times we failed to rescue your beloved Joanna. But she is alive. Alive? Yes. But unless our plans are successful, ye are to lose her come the morrow. Why, the morrow, Sir Ellis? Sir Daniel wed her to Lord Shelby for a great dowry tomorrow in the Abbey Church. At Mount Holywood? Aye. But I have a plan, Richard. We will dress as peasant farmers, our hats pulled low over our brows, and go to the church. I'm afraid no one sees through our disguises.  But I'll be nearby to help you, should you need it. God be with you, Ellis. And to think I once believed Sir Daniel when he spoke evil of you. I must be brave. If only I reached the church and get inside. Just a minute, man. Huh? Who invited ye, a pauper, to the wind? Ah, I cannot deceive ye, Bennett Hatch. My life is in your hands. Richard? Richard Shilton? We thought ye did. Why'd ye come to make trouble? Nay, I came to see Joanna. I cannot let ye enter the church. But by the scenes, Richard, I cannot turn ye over to Sir Daniel. Thank ye, Bennett. Let me stand here, then, by the church door. Aye, ye may stand and watch. But I warn ye, Richard, no trouble. First came the bribed Joanna, pale as winter, clinging to Sir Daniel's arm. Next the bridegroom, halting on a gouty foot, his bald head rosy with emotion. Suddenly there was a movement in the crowd, and Sir Daniel fell, pierced by an arrow. He's Sir Daniel. He's Richard Shilton. Seize him. Shilton, he got Sir Daniel. An arrow in me. Where is Richard Shilton? Here I am, Sir Daniel. But I did not shoot the arrow that laid ye low. Richard, how could ye? How could ye make war upon me? Nay, Sir Daniel, I made no war upon your life. I was your true friend until ye sought my life. And even then I met ye no harm. I came but to save Joanna. Oh, Richard, I knew ye'd come. I knew it. To treat me thus. I hope it friended ye. Befriended me? Nay, Sir Daniel. He murdered my father. He stole my land, my money. Joanna. Everything dear to me and pencil for her she stole. For all these sins and more, ye must seek God's forgiveness. Mine ye have freely. He'd mock me, Richard. But if ye did not aim the arrow, remove it. Aye, Sir Daniel. It is the black arrow. Richard laid his guardian back gently on the ground and prayed for his unprepared spirit. As he prayed, he found another man upon his knees with uncovered head. Richard knew he was the archer who had killed Sir Daniel. How well I stuck with. Were it not so? It was the only way, Richard. Our plan had failed. But, Sir Ellis, this time it wasn't the battle of the orcs and the Lancasters. This time it was to protect me. Glad I heard ye with Sir Daniel. Ye took the better part and pardoned him. I took the worst. There lies the clay of mine enemy. Pray for me. Indeed, Sir Ellis, I will pray for ye. But if ye have so long pursued revenge and find it now of such a sorry flavor, would it not be well to pardon all other enemies? It is well, Richard. For though the Lancasters and the orcs may battle more, though ye in your good time may win and lose at war, the fellowship is broken. The black arrow never more will fly. They that still live shall come to their quiet and ripened in heaven's good time. For yourself, Richard, and your beloved Joanna, my blessings, dwell your life apart from wars whener you can, together in the green forests where your two loves began. The black arrow is finished, Richard. This is Leo McCary again. In this evening's performance, I think all of us were impressed by the use of phrases like God be with you and God be your guide. I like to think that today these greetings have not entirely lost their meaning, that we can and want to still bring God into everyday life, that we can say good morning and mean God be with you this morning or good day and mean God be with you today. But to do this, we must have God in our hearts. We must bring Him into the home where our daily life starts before we can bring Him back into the world. And the way to do this is through family prayer, a family united in prayer asking God to bring His peace and happiness into the home. And as I say goodbye and mean God be with you, remember the family that prays together stays together. More things are wrought by prayer, and this world dreams of. It is possible by the thousands of you who felt a need for this type of program, by the mutual network which has responded to this need and by the hundreds of stars of stage, screen and radio who have so unselfishly given of their time and talent to appear on our family theater stage.  This is Gene Baker expressing the wishes of Family Theater that God's blessing may be upon you and your home. And inviting you to join us next week at this time, when Family Theater presents John Charles Thomas in the short career of Stephen Coles. Join us, won't you? Family Theater is heard in Canada through the facilities of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in the Philippines by the Philippine Broadcasting Corporation and is broadcast to our troops overseas by the Armed Forces Radio Service. 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