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giving me a goodie bag of one kg of gari magi I saw one house guy some days ago that they gave some palates to put the parties logo on it saying that vote for us and all and guys ask him why are you giving me this thing I will collect and I will see go vote for our own vote for because now people are opening their eyes they are actually seeing this thing they saw Jennifer they want to see her they want to see her they want to see her they want to see her they want to see her camp gas camp gas I'm telling you and I saw someone said you in Lagos you are out there in Lagos and you are claiming you belong to this particular party and your mothers are back there in the villages collecting camp gas we saw some people carrying too maybe they have a very big family but I wish they are collecting this thing to still vote who they believe for what they want to do because it's tiring really for how long this is 2023 it's quite embarrassing I tell you and you have discussed electoral offences and consequences because everything every bad thing actually has a consequence and I love what is happening this time around just like with Naira like Jenny said earlier just like with Naira which is a Naira thing you spray money they are arrested how do you do now it's the purest guys that they need to arrest now and they look at the law now this is not a matter of the law because people will tell you it has happened to me they will tell you that's how did we get the money they know how we got the money and they will still charge I think I was telling you on the group my security has been complained since there is no money you had 7K in his account so can I go POS can I collect 7,000 2K to collect 7K so 5K is what we used to eat how Nigeria anyway so speaking about electoral offences and penalties I was quite excited to see now there is a whole document from the electoral reform act that says if you do this this is what is going to happen to you and then there are quite a few of them that will be sharing tonight like the requirement of secrecy in votes in there remember when we spoke about safety yesterday Osage actually nudged us and said keep your whoever it is you are voting for secret don't share with anybody don't speak to them because it might be perceived as you trying to convince the other party to vote for whoever it is that you want to you actually voting for so there is actually a consequence for that so if you don't maintain secrecy for voting at your polling unit or you interfere with the voter that is actually casting his vote there is a fine of 100,000 naira or you can actually face an imprisonment of 6 months so please when you go to your polling centers keep to yourself and mind your business mind your business don't wanna start saying oh is it because of what this would do it's unnecessary because I have a feeling that these are neck officials are not going to take it lightly at all they are not going to find it funny at all I am not even sure the problem the problem the people to look out for will be the eye neck it will be the military presence and it's very obvious that there is a whole lot that they are trying to put in place for this election so it's not business as usual at all it's not the troops of military personnel I think there is also a video I don't know if you saw there is a young military guy that was saying anybody that wants to do anyhow you are ready you are ready there is one that says threatening a person with violence or preventing someone from actually voting for who they want to vote for or even possessing a weapon at the election or at your polling units there is a fine and the fine is one million hour or imprisonment for a term of 3 years now if you threaten someone with a weapon or you are actually holding a weapon the maximum fine for that is 2 million hour or a term of 2 years imprisonment or votes meaning they will find you 2 million and you will still be in prison there is no way out here what there is no way also please don't go out to say I don't have a PVC but my grandmother has a PVC and then you pick your grandmother's PVC and use it to go and vote there is actually a consequence for unregistered voters actually placing their votes and that is also a fine of 100,000 hour or 6 months or as a matter of fact you can even so far both as well so please let's be guided as well okay so there is one about improper use of vehicles conveying any person to a registration office or to a polling unit by government's vehicle or both except in respect of a person who is entitled to use such a vehicle or both now the penalty for that is the maximum fine of 500,000 or imprisonment for 6 months or both okay so from my end say a person voting or attempting to vote at an election when he or she is not qualified or inducted as a person to vote at an election knowing that such person is not qualified for this offence you are going to be getting a maximum fine of 500,000 hour and a 12 months imprisonment or both so I mean all of this all of these penalties they are not small ones and to come across money it's not business we all know that so you have a very sweet penalty here just in case you are not awake a lawful possession of ballot papers illegal printing of ballot papers illegal production or importation of ballot boxes maximum fine is 50,000,000 or 10 years imprisonment if you don't like yourself go on tweets okay so there is one here that says paying money to any other person for bribery at any election receiving any money or gifts for voting or to refrain from voting at any election that is a maximum fine of 500,000 or 12 months imprisonment or both or I'm not okay or again I mean if you receive money or gifts or anything so before you go to the polling booth that they are and say well if they give me I will collect it don't go and collect something I will just land you you know with a fine of 500,000 or 12 months imprisonment that is what I have a question is this relating to you being at the polling units and collecting the gifts or like they come gas women no no no no no no this one they pass that information so I have one here this one the penance is actually big unlawful giving of a voter's card to someone or that some other person for use as an election other than an officer an officer వ్నార్డా నిBoі recipes చాద్చపె. మాటార్ె మారి chilli ఌలికా క౧కటాం�辛苦. And don't come back from because if you come back for votes or you persuade any voter not to vote for particular candidate. You're going to pay a final 500,000 Euro, or face an imprisonment for a term of 12 months. And I have a feeling that there are some people that are actually going to, because people know the hale vote for Nigeria. They will be living each day and they will still be telling you why they are not in my right mind. you need to check properly to be certain that the card you're carrying is yours and belongs to you because if you when you get to the polling unit and they find you with more than one card and one doesn't belong to you that's a big problem and that's a fine of a hundred thousand error or six months imprisonment so that does dishing in fact but you i like that yeah this i'm actually very happy about this because these are things that we're not aware of before i mean 2019 we were not these things were not out there so it's great that there's so much enlightenment and awareness about these things so now it's not a case of over i did not know i was not aware be very aware you are very aware it's been said everywhere you've been told so please stay away from all of these offenses anyway when we come back we'll continue this conversation we'll take a short break see you shortly hello nigerians this is the vox pop on the way show and for the forthcoming election we'll be doing a sensitization teaching nigerians how to vote correctly because it is no news that many nigerians don't know how to vote correctly and so that our votes are not void we need to be able to teach the people how to vote correctly so come with us as we teach the nigerian people how to vote correctly for the forthcoming election hello sir do you know how to vote correctly are you sure do you want to show me yeah all right go ahead this is exactly how you vote you put your thumb on the stamp part and then you vote right here and then make sure that your hand your your thumb is taking a lot of ink so that it can show correctly on whoever whatever candidates you are supporting thank you like we know and like i said earlier it is no news that many nigerians don't know how to vote correctly some people turn print across the line some don't even get so more enough ink to turn prints correctly and that is why we came on the street to teach people how to vote correctly thank you very much for staying with us this is the vox pop on the way show and of course it's your girl dammy thank you see you next time bye bye if you just tuned into our ladies night out and were discussing electoral offenses and pen ounces please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an sms and what's up to 0818 0384663 close to twitter us at we show africa one with the hashtag we show our phone line is now open please call us on 0702 5007 7479 now forward and we were actually talking about the electoral offenses and the consequences that jennifer you're going to share one with us so this one here says broadcasting or publishing any material for the purpose of promoting or opposing a particular political party or a candidate during 24 hours immediately preceding or on polling day so this basically means that you should not send out any material you shouldn't publish anything so if someone comes to you and gives you materials to share or maybe a flyer opposing a particular candidate either maybe a candidate that isn't yours or somebody who even is yours i don't think you should say no no matter how much they pay you because guess what if you're imprisoned they will help you and that's the honest truth and then the fine for this is 500 000 now or imprisonment for a term of 12 months now in a case of a body corporate shall pay a maximum fine of one million so that means as an individual you're going to be fined 500 000 but you as a body or it's your office or company that is sending out those informations then one millionaire and you still also be in prison for 12 months so 24 hours is from tomorrow from tomorrow from tomorrow from tomorrow or election day so refrain from anything from tomorrow friday saturday stop it share face cups as a in fact the one i even want to talk about now is i remember in 2019 when when the election happened at the time that they were carrying ballot boxes and you know kidnapping so there's there's a penalty here so unlawful possession of a ballot paper illegal printing of ballot papers illegal production or importation of ballot boxes and it's a maximum the penalty is a maximum of 50 000 000 or a term of imprisonment of nothing less than 10 years or both this one is like i think is the big the biggest of the offenses because it means that if you have possession of the box like you're we know we've seen a lot of situations like this in the past so if you know anybody who is used to you know causing troubles or causing chaos or who would just assume that or if i'm holding the box i might not just hold in the box it doesn't even matter the fact that you're not an official and you're in possession of that box 50 million naira is not 50 naira 10 years imprisonment is not six months imprisonment so this this i mean when you when you hear the level of the penalty you know that these guys are not here to play the new nigeria that we're asking for is what's coming we're sure that that new nigeria is here so we need to i mean if there's anywhere we can find this um this penalties and actually look through it again i think it's important that we do because it wouldn't make sense that we all for any of you know the citizens for sure just because they're trying to do you know mostly the innocent ones really so let's pay attention so we've been talking about us as individuals who are going to vote there's one here for pulling officers a pulling officer failing to report on time or to discharge his duties on election day without lawful excuse or announcing or publishing a false election result is also an offense and the penalty for that is a maximum fine of 500 000 naira or 12 months imprisonment or boots and then if you're going to falsify election results it is 36 months imprisonment right three years three years i think we should have done from five years ago actually compromise so you have to make the punishment so steep that they think twice and understand that it's not worth it not it's it's not worth it i agree then if i think it was you that shared earlier the numbers to call if you actually notice any financial crime the electoral persons at your polling units please i think we should also take that very seriously so because i have a feeling that a lot of people are still going to attempt actually in this area that was having a conversation with somebody last night and i was saying areas like Ali Mosho uncle i'm sure people are still going to try to enforce that whole financial give out this there give out that here please no let's let's let's try as much as possible to avoid anything like that but then also don't forget guys we also want to hear from your phone line is now open you could also call us on<PHONE_NUMBER> so there's one that i actually was going to speak about employing state apparatus including the media to the advantage or disadvantage of any political party or candidate at any election and also unequal allocation of media time among political parties and candidates i think this is actually too late to go to because i'm a refugee which the end of campaigns and whatnot but then i like that i hope this was actually enforced because i know i was in i was in the car yesterday and i kept hearing one particular party the adverts just kept coming out i'm like what's going on is this the only what's the so the media you know that the time of the media kina has been paid for yeah so they have to run run but there's actually some that's it only for a location of media time well maybe it's the last minute so when you say it's 24 it's tomorrow tomorrow is the last day yeah but then i feel like the frequency right yeah i'm not supporting i'm saying that it's probably yeah so they have to be honest if they don't complete if they don't use that media time they purchase from the radio for this campaign they might have to explain it to another one maybe the company doesn't want that yeah so there's one here that says inciting others to act in a disorderly manner within a distance of 300 meters of the polling units conversing for votes persuading any voter not to vote for any particular candidate or being in possession of any offensive weapon wear or display any notice symbol photograph or party card i think this also includes wearing the shirts that carries the face of your candidates yes yes don't do it maximum fine is 500 000 or an imprisonment of the term for 12 months or both then the one for wearing wearing those shirts if i'm of 100 000 or imprisonment for a term of six months i know sometimes this find might sound very small but trust me when that day comes my probably not even look at your fine and you go to jail you go to have we have a caller judge from my boy hi judge good evening hello judge okay i think we lost judge okay so um we've taken the part of the polling officer feeling to report on time there's also i saw this one i saw randomly when you get to your polling units and then you see make sure that the beaver is actually set at 000 000 that's actually very very important and it's been said that anybody notices anything like that should actually call out the electoral officials at the polling units if you notice any form of hanky panky that is that he tried to play at any point there because there's the fine for that is actually three years imprisonment without the option of the fine straight up three years imprisonment okay judge is back hello judge hello here good evening good evening yes i think uh special interest on area that i said uh if you thought the ballot was done you are you are to pay 10 million naira or 10 years imprisonment right yes okay this blow is not i'm not i'm not i'm not bother you know and it's okay to me but i'm afraid that this nandra is always about accepting the form as you as you can see here are the the particular the there of the nation you see those prominent politicians they can easily walk up and even effect or maybe uh touch the ballot paper or draw the watch and nothing will happen to them but if it is me and you come on it isn't in your society they love now now sector or after after the naira so there those laws i was i'll be listening to you guys and i i so much admired those but i really going to have to go to a call and a prominent man in the society because all this laws to me it's only for poor masses i'm telling you judge we can't we can't be so sure that it's just for poor masses i mean the the law already says stay away from don't go and print like extra in the first place you just like you just go down do what you do whether you are a poor mass whether you are a prominent person whatever it is please as much as possible avoid trouble stay away from it and and it's 50 million not 10 million it's 50 million and i mean based on on judge's concern for me i feel like nobody can carry the box and put on your hand yes you're a responsible human being you're an adult so go there be on the queue do what you need to do the necessary thing and move do not you're not supposed don't touch why why like is it a pen or a buried a paper that you will say it fell on my hand it didn't and the law is even coming you have you have a phone line you can call if there is anything yes say pictures i mean post online let people so there's only so much denial right that people can deny there are you know okay we have another call our comrade but i must be from a bottom hello comrade good evening good evening good evening sir here you go ahead good evening sir we can hear you please go ahead yeah yeah okay To decide what I'm thinking.是 puck to hear you too. cooking were to have much connected of point. 是 puck was intended to have much connected of point. Please don't forget we conduct  ವೀನೋ�好好 ㅉನೋ ಧೋಲು ಡೋಮೀವಗ್ ಮ್ pair ಆಣADASತ್ಲೆ zięಕರ್ಣ್ರೇ ಕೀ edaanತ کے ಗಾತ್ರೇ ಗಕ ಈಲೋನು Jasmine ಕಲು seeing�� ւ各位keitны ὢcz ὒᾸIDE당 ?가요, ව ὅ ὅ ὅ ὅ ὤ ᴅ Ὓᾶὔ Æ amusing ὁ ὅ ὅ ῏ ᶅ ᴅ ᴊᴉἨʙទᦼista variations boki pork du atmospheric plante dense Thank you so much Steven. I mean he has a value. Super value. Because I can imagine how people, you know how fierce brave like a wildfire. So I can just imagine how just planting these two seeds of fear here and there. Or don't go out. Or who are you voting for, don't go out. That's none of your business. I think now it's time for everybody to just pay attention. All these penalties, there's no joke. First of all we know that the military personnel are all over the place. And they said, if they see you with a pulling bullet box or doing anything otherwise, they are carrying you. No explanation. So there's no, it's an illiterate or it's a babal. Mind your business. Don't spread fear. Because that fear is what Nigerians have been living with for as long as we know it. And we can't continue like this. It's impossible for us to continue. We as citizens were actually ensuring that we spread joy, peace, because we don't want to be buying petrol for 200A. Okay, we have NS from Lagos. Hello NS, good evening. There are no arms from them. So I don't know what will be further hope. I don't know what will be further hope. I don't know what will be further hope. I don't know what will be further hope. I don't know that we will not start from this point. Whenever we actually, when we start, before it will be too hard. Okay, so NS, I just say. I want to be 100% of that criticality, or goodness, social security. So when there is a problem,  extrapolate  ظ vanting тив All right so, Ennice you you are saying that there shouldn't be armed policemen at the polling units is that what you are saying Version I think we lost him. I was trying to understand what he was saying. If he is saying that the police don't allow policemen to come there armed. You don't know that Nigerians have coconut head? I think he is actually afraid of sporadic issues. So now, with the way things are going on, it's obvious that these people are here to ensure that there is law and order. Because we know that Nigerians have coconut head. Do you know how something can start? Like I mentioned, fear, one thing is happening before people are running, before you know there is a problem. But when they see the uniformed doctor, they don't know how they are. That fear, you have to be here. In case you didn't watch the show yesterday, we talked about safety and looking out for yourself at the polling unit. And the guests we brought in on the show also mentioned that it's possible that they might have paid some of the armed forces and some of them are probably trigger happy but look out for yourself. So immediately you sense anything that doesn't sit well with your spirit. Be on the lookout. Move. Move. You have the phone numbers that you can call. Call immediately. Because you really cannot tell who is who. But the most important thing is look out for yourself first. And always be at alert. Be at alert. Be ready to move. Once you get to your polling unit, look for the exits. Just look for possible exits. In case anything happens, where can I run to, where can I move to. I mean, we pray that comes Saturday, things will go smoothly. We have Loman from Abia. Hello Loman, good evening. Good evening. My guest is talking in the house. Good evening sir. Good evening. I want to let us know what is happening here. The candidate and five others have been shot here. He has not taken any more in a room. Now he is pulling out cover like people have done. We pray that we can let them be there. Because they have some magic show that this is what it is for. So don't come with us. Don't be with us here. Don't be with us here. People will start with the magic show of Loman. So in order to survive the life of people for somebody not to come to vote before you know it, the person will become a gentleman or woman. So let military men be a little bit around us area. Thank you so much Loman. Thank you very much. Thank you. So we have Austin from Delta. He says not punishing electoral offenders appropriately and timely too is the reason why impunity reigns during elections. If a lot of PVCs were found in a forest, let me tell you it is easy to arrest the culpates. According to the video the owners are from a certain area. Why can't the INEC officials where the people registered be arrested to explain how the PVCs grill wings from their custody despite the fact that many people had been going to collect theirs under stress. When one sees this type of wickedness it confirms the conspiracy theory where people from a certain ethnic region were being denied the opportunity of collecting their PVCs because of fear of not going to vote for a certain candidate from Lagos. Thorough investigation is needed please as salute ways for the enlightenment while I appeal that there should be more punishment meted out to offenders beyond the long list of polling offences. Thank you so much Austin. Thank you beautiful ladies it was great having you on the shoot. It was actually a great conversation as well. Thank you. I hope you will have been sensitized so far because we've been talking about this thing all the way from Monday please. But then before we go do ensure you follow our social media engagement and remember to like, share comments and invite your friends and family to watch us and follow us. If you missed today's course here it is again. If people are good only because they fear punishments and hope for a reward then why sorry lots indeed and this is why Albert Einstein. See you tomorrow at 8pm as we bring another great conversation to your screen. Goodnight.


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I saw you talk but I didn't hear anything but that might just be me. How about for everybody else? Same. Nice background, Lynn. Thank you. I think that Zoom provided. I don't think I did anything special to get it. So I can't hear you, I think, Lance. Or hear me? Or I hear you now. Can you hear me? I hear Lance. I think I can't hear anyone. Yeah, it's you. I still can't hear you. How about now? I don't know. Oh, now, yeah. Okay, good. Seems like we have a very small crowd today. Not sure if this is because of the new link or because there's some event today. Does anyone know that? I'm not aware of anything. James had a late night last night. I think, yeah, what time is this for you? It's quite early, right? Yeah, it was a little later and then the time switch happened. It's nine o'clock now. I think seven for him, though. Ah, okay, yeah. Yeah, that's quite early. So I think we're now at always in conflict with time zones. We can probably see this at hyperledger. It's now anchored in UTC minus eight. Update that one. Okay, cool. I think we can get started, small crowd today, but that shouldn't... But a good one. Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, welcome, everyone, to the AirSim JavaScript call of March 30. Need to remember you to abide by the hyperledger code of contact and antitrust policy. If you would like to add yourself to the Standy's list, feel free to do so. I've shared the link in chat. I can send it again. Is there anyone new here today that would like to introduce themselves? I think I recognize all names. All right. Ben, let me see. Status updates. Was the bifold call this week? Do you know that, Ryan? Yes, it was a short one, though. Mostly just catching up on some open PRs. And I believe the restructuring PR got merged in yesterday. Okay, yeah. I was happy and sad for that at the same time, because it's nice that it's being done. But it means I have to probably update my PR. And there's a lot of merge conflicts, I would expect. Yeah, okay. So that's going to be fun. Let me see. Restructuring off repo to monorepo. Merged. Cool. Okay. Any other status updates? Does someone at the Aeroids Working Group call this week? Yes, I was in there. Even host. Trying to remember. Yeah. Steven, right there. It was a presentation from Thomas. Yes, right, from Nessus. Yeah, Thomas Tesler did his presentation of his Nessus command line client. That's very nice. It's got autocomplete and aliasing and a bunch of other things, essentially for doing the W3C verifiable credential scenario that talks about like an airport scenario of traveling with a miner. And yeah, that's a really nice demo and it's improving all the time. So the communications that he's building towards, or DITCOM v2 and the DITCOM v2 protocols for issue credential and things like that. And that demo has DITCOM v2 support, but also DITCOM v1. He shows interactions with Akapai as well. So it's a really nice demo, super nice client. Definitely would be very useful for just general demonstrations and things like that. Roots ID, well, I guess it's a good segue. Essentially, the April IW, we're doing a DITCOM v2 connect upon that one there. And he won't be at IW, but we're going to do like a recording with his scenario and kind of use that scenario to frame some of our interactions, although most of what we'll be doing is just showing simple DITCOM v2 between agents. Anyways, we have that document that we've put together so far for the participants. Yeah, because I think you decided now to do it during the demo hour, right? Right. Yeah, we originally were going to do kind of a Roots ID specific DITCOM v2 demonstration, but yeah, we couldn't decide if we were going to do a session or during the demo hour to have the connectathon. And we decided to do the connectathon during the demo hour. So, yeah, we'll have several participants essentially demoing DITCOM v2 connections. Cool. Yeah, cool. Would have loved to be there. We're doing another demo so we can join, but yeah, it would be interesting to see the results of that. Do you think there's like, because I saw some discussions in, I think, the DITCOM v2 channel and like, that's still like interoperability or maybe in the DITCOM v2 from DIFF discord or something, but that interoperability is still quite hard to achieve. Yeah, yeah, Fabio Pinheiro, we've worked with him quite a bit recently for DITCOM v2 stuff and there are parts of the spec that there are some kind of interpretation type, you know, situations. And then also, there's just certain situations that a lot of us are basing our implementations, you know, on the SICPA libraries. And so if someone kind of does their own implementation and they don't have the same assumptions or, you know, the same implementation, there can be roadblocks there for interop. But that's exactly why we want to do this, you know, the big movement right now in DIFF and areas for DITCOM v2 is to have as many agents and services and mediators interacting over DITCOM v2 to kind of ferret out these interop issues that can occur because DITCOM v2 is so, well, it's broad in the sense of everything that it could possibly do. And then you have additional protocols and things like that. So any other things, Roto maybe that you want to know? No, that's fine. So it's not the problem of difficulty because fixing the problems is really easy, but just to agree how we interpret, if we send it from header or not. So this kind of things that maybe someone reading the spec just implement one way and the other implement the other ways. I need to see all the little details on the spec that say optional or not optional. I'm trying to understand what is the correct way to do the things. Yeah, for sure. And I think from Fabio's point of view, you know, he's really diving deep into it and asking hard questions. So that's good or challenging, I guess, us to all, you know, improve, which is great.  But, you know, from my point of view, this is exactly what we want to do, right? I want us to fail early and often and just improve. So I think, yeah, we'll show quite a bit of good interop. And then we are going to learn a lot too. Cool. Yeah, makes sense. That's like you can't, you have to first go through the phase of everything doesn't work before you can get to a phase where everything does work because you have done the work to test it with each other. That's, yeah. As we all have learned, probably nothing is interoperable from the start, even with standards. Yeah, for sure. Cool. Okay. Anything else on this conflict or AP3? Yeah. All right. Then for the agenda for today, I wanted to discuss some of the open PRs and issues for zero for zero release. A short discussion about JSON-LD, credentialing AFJ. And this was over from last week. It's continuing conversation about prioritization for zero five zero. Any other topics we want to add to the agenda? I guess that's a no. All right. Yeah. For this one, I just wanted to quickly go through. I've had some people ask like, what's left for AFJ zero for zero? When can we release it? My answer is always hopefully soon because it's always difficult. But maybe we can go through the list and see what's really needed. Before you do that, can I just interrupt and ask a quick question? You may have seen, I think you heard from Anna, he's put a PR in this morning related to the BBS module, right? That was a zero three three problem. So my question is this. We've been doing some testing this week, or at least the ODS guys have been doing some wallet testing. And we have like three changes we need to make that are to the zero three three branch. We found a couple of bugs and so on. So the question then is, if we want to patch, do a patch release for zero three three, how would we go about doing that? Would we just pull out the zero three three release and put a pull request in for those changes? What would you recommend? Yeah, because you don't want to do it for the zero four release that is upcoming. Let me think. Two of them are actually going to be bugs in zero four zero as well. What's the third one? Actually possibly maybe just all three need to go in. I'll have a look, but is that the easiest thing then just put a pull request into main? Yeah, I think then we can include them in zero four zero zero four one because we don't really have to pipeline correctly set up to easily make patch or old release. We had that with the release with zero three, but that was a lot of overhead. And then we made the decision to make releases more often. And then that obviously didn't work. But yeah, I think if you can do it to main, then I can't do that. But then my question would be if they're going to run with zero zero three three in their ODS wallet, how will those changes sort of propagate back to the release that they're using? Because they need my understanding is they need this done like in zero three three by tomorrow. So it's not clear to me how that will go in. Then then yeah, that's not possible. Then someone would need to put in the work to update the airspace with JavaScript pipelines and make sure we can have another branch where we can release from like the current alpha release. So yeah. Okay. I'm not sure how we handle this then because I don't think they're in a position to be able to go to zero four zero just as a word of explanation. They're testing JSON LD credentials, issue credentials, using zero three three. And as I say, we found a few little things in the code, mostly small. I think I sent you a message this morning. One of them was a question. The other two I definitely know a bugs that need to be fixed. One was like really trippy. We missed a V out of the else L V C detail, you know, format string, literally missed one character off. That's obviously going to be wrong in all releases. So we certainly need to fix it for for the zero four zero release. And I can do that. I could put a pull request into that. It's quite small, but it's not clear to me how we get the fixes in for the code base they're using. Are you saying they really need to go to zero four zero, but that's not released yet. So it's not clear to me how we get a patch out to them. But that's what they're maybe there's another possibility that could be to to create a branch for zero three X. And put all these fixes there. I mean, review them and put the fixes there. And even if we don't have the pipelines to, to make a an official release on an MPM, maybe that can be helpful for them to apply a patch locally with the patch package package. I don't know. Of course, it's not ideal, but it's something that we can achieve soon. Yeah, that may work. I'm thinking, can you specify a path in a package JSON? Because if so, we could just in the branch, we could probably start from this one. This is the latest one before we went to zero four zero, the first one that we if we can publish the build type script, like the build files to here that you can also install just from a GitHub repo, I think, but I don't know how that worked with Mono repos and subpats. Maybe it's possible. Yeah, we, I mean, we would need to at least go to three four alpha 17 when at the moment they're on three three alpha nine. I think it's my understanding. I think that's right, Tim. I'm not sure if you know that. But so if we patch into that, what are we could be my credit zero three four alpha 18 and then just use that? I don't know how that's going to work. I've never done one of these GitHub patch releases before. Yeah. So that won't work automatically. We that's that's what I meant, like somebody would need to look at the workflow because we have like a continuous integration. And at the bottom somewhere, we have a portion stable. It's probably in a continuous deployment. We have like a release cannery. But that just looks at I think, yeah, it has a script to get the next bump and basically no like which version. But it does that by looking at the GitHub tags. And so it will not like make a zero three four, but it will actually be a zero four zero alpha release because that's currently what's also being used to on every commit release a new alpha version. So I think what Ariel said, to make a patch, like have a we could make a branch here with like the changes, but you would need to build and pack it locally and then just add like the the file like the tar with a like an MPM file link to your repo and use that instead of downloading it from MPM. Okay. I don't know whether that's going to be good enough for what ODS want to do with it. This is it's I mean, Tim, is this going to be this is going to be production code soon, isn't it? So no, we're okay. I don't yeah. I mean, maybe what we'll do is we can just fix it locally and get these fixes into the 40 as well. Yeah, that would be the easiest thing. I think just before you arrived, Tim, we were saying that the these fixes would need to go into zero four zero anyway. They are bugs that are kind of at least two of them. I think one of them I looked at my code earlier on and it's already done. But two of the three that they'll want to fix would need to go to zero four zero. So should we just do a zero four zero fix then? Yeah, let's not let's not make I don't make complicated for us to communicate on this. So yeah, we're not okay under that time pressure. Okay, all right. All right, there's there you go, Tim. I'll put a patch request in for the current zero four zero release and then we don't need to worry. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, I think we want to have a bit better like many release managers for like older releases, but it's always a lot of overheads. And we just need to revamp the pipeline a bit so it's easier to do patch releases when it's really needed because yeah, sure. But it looks like on this occasion, we can we can just put them into zero four zero. So that's fine. But when we start when you start getting multiple production releases, and it gets bigger and bigger and loads of people it's going to quickly starts to get very difficult to manage doesn't it because you've got, you know, various releases of of AFJ that are being used in production all over the place and you're going to be going to need to be able to patch them on that release. But I guess that can be that's not that's not what we need to do now. So okay, I'll look at zero four zero then. Thank you, Tim. Cool. Okay, perfect. Let's hope we can just release zero for zero really soon. So if we look at the list of what's still out there. We have I think maybe this is a good one to discuss which there's like we had a default cache implementation which work well for mobile devices but not specifically for server side environments. So I made a PR to change it to an in memory cache by default, which is immobile devices, not really useful. Because whenever you close the wallet, you'll lose your whole cache. So in mobile devices, you probably want the single context, which is just like you have a like a cache that is for each wallet where we can store like the resolved dates, the resolved dates and it's mostly used for the dates and which ledgers associated with it. But Ariel made a comment which makes sense a bit like yeah, maybe it's not the best to move away from single context, especially not if not in mobile environments, I think. So do we just want to keep it at the single context storage error cache? I think for like if you have a single tenant server deployment, it also just works fine. It's just that it breaks when used in multi tenancy. So by default, if you add the multi tenancy module, you'll have a broken state for the agent. So we either need to do be a bit smarter that when you use the tenancy multi tenancy module that we automatically switch the cache implementation. But I think it's also quite standard for things to just say like by default, we have a very simple in memory cache. And if you want something more sophisticated, you can, well, either implement your own with Redis, for example, or we provide another implementation for mobile devices. But yeah, I'm also fine with just keeping it. I don't know if somebody has opinions on this or Ariel, would you give anything to add here? No, maybe my main concern is that I'm not sure, but I will say that 99% of AFC users are using it for mobile environments or single tenancy servers. So if we are going to modify something because of that particular use case, maybe it can change in the future. But for that, I mean, I think it's like that. And I agree that it's technically correct to do this default in memory implementation. But we have to make sure that when somebody upgrades their AFC for mobile environments, they will use this single context storage cache instead of the memory one. Because you know what will happen. People will tend to use the default one because it's easier to set up and also because they have a lot of things to think about when migrating to AFC 04 or so. And they will see that it works. The agent runs and it's fine. And then when they figure out that they were using this in-memory cache, it's late. I mean, they will already be in production status. That's why I had this comment. Yeah, I think it makes sense. I think currently in multi-tenancy, it will throw an error and you can just fix that. And while you won't notice anything in mobile environments, if you're using in-memory cache, and it's just every time you close the app, it's completely gone. And yeah, most people use it in mobile environments. So I think I agree. In that case, I think we can just close this PR. And maybe if we want to revisit it at a later stage to either have a more advanced way to pick the default, for example, in server, we do use in-memory, for example, and then all at once not. But yeah, then we just skip it for now. I think it's going to be to actually create an interface so that you can do either or to do what you're talking about. Because is it a heavy lift or is this a more involved, or is this simple enough that we can do both? If that makes sense? It's like you just have, you now have a cache module in AFJ where you provide the cache implementation and that's an interface with a few methods like set, get, remove all, something like that. And we have two default implementations and it's just like the default that we have provided in AFJ. So like setting it up and switching between the two as these two, implementing your own is a bit more involved. But I think yeah, you would probably within an hour, you would be able to link it to a Redis cache, for example. Okay. So I guess to clarify my understanding that is someone's not blocked. So if they want to do multi-tendency, they could do so. But we're talking about here of what's the default and we're thinking of keeping the default the same. Yeah. Yeah. So we are using multi-tendency, for example, we just define currently, we define the cache module and we specify in memory or in Redis cache as the backend. But yeah, it's just swappable. So it's just about the default. What's used if you don't define anything. Cool. I agree with the thought process of closing the PR then. Okay. Thank you for explaining. And do you need a default because if you don't put a default, you force all implementers to pick one. Sorry. Yeah, I agree. There's since the large majority of users are going to use the persistent one, I think it makes sense to make that the default versus the in memory. Okay. Yeah. I think we can do not require a default, but I think there's already quite some things you need to configure. So if we can take away, if we can provide the default that works for most people, I think yeah, that's probably good. All right. Then I'm going to close this PR and I'm going to close this issue. We can revisit it when needed. And then we have one web task removed from the to-do list. All right. I think this one, and maybe we want to postpone it to a later release. I think that's fine because it already works that way right now. But we discussed it a few weeks ago, but currently we need to resolve a dit from the ledger to know the contents of the dit document because we don't actually store the dit document when we create it, which is a bit weird. So ideally, I think we need to start storing the dit document when we create it so we can at least query like which keys are in the dit document and we have a local state of the dit document. It can get out of sync, but that's, I think, another thing that you can solve now using the import method. So if you modify the dit document outside of AFJ itself, you'll also have to import the new state into the agent. But I think, yeah, for now it's just like it's less efficient because every time we need to know a key in the dit document, we need to resolve it from the ledger, which a bit, yeah, it adds overhead. But I think it could be postponed until after the zero for zero release, I think. I tend to think of, think that getting the zero for zero out sooner rather than later is better. I think the only consideration on my mind is the, if people are working on offline functionality, it will be, this would be a problem for that, right? Yeah, yeah. But in theory, if you use that dit, in most cases, the other party would have to resolve it anyway, because this isn't an issue with paredits, which you would probably use often in offline exchanges, I think, right? Got it. That is a really good point. Yep. Yeah. No, we're currently, because we're currently working on offline exchange, those are using Bluetooth, which we are finally working. Maybe I can ask someone to give a demo of that soon. But there we use paredits and that works fine. The only thing we have to do, which will be a lot easier with zero for zero is have the schemas and credential definitions in the wallet beforehand, because there's no internet. So like we have a predefined set of schemas, credential definitions, those are, and those we can pre-cache and have in the wallet for exchange. Yep. Cool. Okay. Then I'm going to not close this issue, because it's still relevant, but I'm going to remove it from zero for zero milestone. And then other things. Oh, this is the wrong repo. Oh, no, I closed all. Let me see. Milestones, zero for zero. These have PRs open, so that will be quite simple. Update master secret to link secret. Is Berentino called today? He isn't. Okay. I think it's just, Ariel, do you know that? I think there was a PR to update the master secret to link secret in Anocrats for us, right? And that's the thing we need to do here still. Yeah. But isn't that only for the API? Because that's part of the I think because the credential request also includes these fields, we need to update those. So not sure if it's here. That's not in this one. Because if you call create credential request, it will return an object. With field. So I think this needs to be updated, right? So we, you support the new structure that needs to be released. Yeah. So if you see. Okay. Okay. So that's kind of linked to this. Yeah. So these. I think the link may have just gone to just the commit, by the way, when you clicked off. Oh, that's not what I want. That's what I thought. Yeah. Thanks. Right. So release new version of Anocrats Rust update field names in AFJ. And I think then we'd probably handle the difference between fields names in NSK, still most of the secrets extending the migration script to update NSK generated a request meant that to use links, secrets, and from now on in the, in the SDK, when returning the credential request meant that we changed the keys. All right. And yeah, I think we already have a migration script to update everything to Anocrats. So I think we can just, yeah, just change the fields that shouldn't be too much work. Cool. Is there anyone that wants to pick up this task that? Yeah, I think I can do it. But before we have to, to have the release, no, the release of the Anocrats Rust, the new one. Yeah. Are you going to do it? I think we can make a new release. I think everything is ready. So I can pick that up. I think I just have to update the versions and then we can make the release. Okay. Awesome. Okay. Then what's left in the milestone? All right. Then I think there was a last few ones in that one. Yes. I want you to explain me something about that one because you ignored me in this lack. I haven't had any time to work on Anocrats this week. Yeah, go ahead. Well, maybe I tried to start on the, on this implementation of the the, the, the non-revolved overrides, the, the, the, the time, the time of a right for, for an Anocrats Rust. But I, I wanted to be sure that I was properly understanding the problem before doing, doing so. So my, my, my, my question, as I say there, is how should I know if I have to present, to, to, to provide to the Anocrats Rust the, the overrides or, or not? Yeah. That's a good one. Did the answer from Stephen help or not? Yes. But, but it was nice to, it was good to understand, understand better the problem and how in general the, the, the application should behave. But I don't know how to handle it in regards of that particular overrides that, that is, that is expecting the, the Anocrats RS module, because it's okay. He, he says that, that, that we can, we have to reject it if it's, if the product timestamp is a result of the problem or two. But my understanding is that internally the one who will decide if the, the proof is not correct will be the Anocrats RS module, not, not, I mean, that checking, we are not going to do that check in AFJ service, issuer service, sorry, modifier service. Yeah. But yeah. So it's, this, my brain always hurts when we bring up this topic again. I understood it a few years ago and now it's not as fresh in my mind anymore. But what, how I understand it or like what, at least what we need to do is I understand it, but I'm not sure if I can describe it clearly now is. It's also what Stephen described mostly is we need to check is the, the proof, the non-revocation proof timestamp that the prover supplied within the from and to range. If so, we can just pass it to the Anocrats RS library as is and we don't need to provide any overrides. If it is outside of the range, we need to check whether it is valid that it is outside of that range. And that is by varying, I think, as Stephen said, the from and seeing if you get the right, yeah, if you get the right, the same time step back. And if so, you can pass that as an override and you say like, it's, I know it's outside of the range, but the range is, for example, set for five minutes yesterday. And the timestamp that is provided now is in the past, but it is actually the last one published to the ledger. So this time step is the valid one for this specific time range, even though it's outside of the one of the range, because it's the timestamp is when the status list was published. But the status list has an active range, which is from a date to a date. And if that from and to lies within that range, then we need to provide the override. Okay. I think that will not be done in two lines, of course, maybe it's, it's, it will, it will have some logic because in ASA, I mean, right? Yeah. Yeah. But because I think the complexity comes when we have these nested non-revoked fields. Because if we are, because in the proof, we receive, we receive an identifier subject, I think that have, have some, have some credentialed vision IDs and timestamps. So we have to do a loop in all the requested attributes and predicates to see which one you still hear every hour. Yeah, I don't hear Ariel anymore. Okay. Tell me what's my influence or something. Ariel, we can't hear you anymore. I think we lost in the middle of the discussion. I guess one of my thoughts though, Tina, from a logic perspective is do you actually have to do a comparison of the provided timestamp from the prover and meaning can you just rely on non-crets to do its validation that that's the most recent ledger transaction that was posted for the registry? Rather than trying to determine, okay, is it in this range? And if it's outside, okay, we need to go double check the ledger. Can we just rely on the ledger or the non-crets to do it? But I think the limitation is that the non-crets library doesn't really know about the ledger, it just knows about objects. And so it wouldn't really know whether it's the latest or the correct one. So it just, the only thing it can do is check the interval like the from and the to and if the timestamp provided is between, but if it's outside of there, it doesn't know whether that timestamp is valid for that range. The only thing the calling application does know that because it has the ledger and the non-crets library and the proof and together you can gain that knowledge, but otherwise we would need to allow non-crets arrest to call the ledger, which is the thing we wanted to not have to like, non-crets itself is now just crypto. So yeah, or do you have a suggestion on how we could approach that and make it simpler? Because I really don't like that this is not implemented in non-crets rust, but it's not really possible to implement in non-crets rust without having a binding to the ledger as far as I know. I think you might be right there. I guess the, if I think about it though, because the from and the to are going to always be, given the guidance for Aries are always going to be the same value, which means it's highly unlikely that you're going to get a, the transaction is going to be within the from or to. It's always going to be before or after and 99% of the cases. And I think the to, you might be able to just resolve with logic because that says, okay, and this is, that one might be easier to deal with. The, if it's before the from, you have to do a you have to do a ledger check. You have to get the transaction. Yeah. The issue being that you're saying is that we need to now handle this on the AFJ side, we can't rely on Indie SDK to do it because since we split it up and non-crets shouldn't be able to go talk to the ledger. Well, Indie SDK never implemented this and it's always been something the application layer should have checked because the Indie SDK implementation just was returned verified through. It didn't really check if it was within the range. So that's basically we added this because the way it was implemented in the SDK is not really sufficient because it was very easy to not do that check because nobody knew it. And the way we changed it now is it will fail. So most verification will fail. You need to provide the override for be able to pass, which means you're now in a position where it fails by default. If it can know it for certain, which I think is better because I think most implementations like the just means that the non-revocation check is basically useless because well, it's not useless, but it doesn't actually check the time if you use a timestamp that is outside of the range. Really, it didn't actually go in and query the ledger previously? No, because in Indie SDK, even though it supported both ledger and non-ledger, the calls were separated. And for the verified proof method, you don't provide a ledger, like a pool handle. So it's actually kind of a big issue in the SDK. And this is like why we thought we can better make it more complex to verify credentials and have it fail by default. If it can't know for certain, then have the behavior that we had before, but it does make the verification process what's already really complex in AnuQuetz more complex. But also actually doing the validation that we thought it was previously. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think that out of complexity, it's gross, but I am glad that you guys have made that change because I think the complicated for us to figure out now, but it's good that we are going to do so. So when you say that need to be called a ledger, it's like the Rust library calling or asking for the provocation entries options, right? Is that what I need to retrieve? Yeah. Yeah, that needs to be happened, right? That should be that way. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the nice thing about this with the new AnuQuetz implementation is that we implement this once and like every ledger that is integrated into A of J will have that out of the box. So it's like not something like if we have implemented once it works for Indy, it will work for Kedano, it will work for checks. Yeah. Okay. I got disconnected for some time, but I think I understood. But something that I was wondering is when we create the proof request, we are querying the ledger to get the revocation status list and everything, right? So at that moment, when we create the proof request, we can use the timestamp given by the ledger instead of the one we wanted. So that one will be always correct because it's the one from the ledger. I don't think we query the ledger when we create a proof request. I think the proof request is just a JSON object. Yeah. But I mean in AF shape, for instance. Do we do that? I don't think you have to query the, I may be wrong, but I don't think you have to query the ledger when you create the proof request. When you create the proof, obviously you do, but yes. But maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think that there are some steps where we are querying the ledger. For instance, we are querying it to get the differential definition and all that stuff. I guess to be specific is the, because according to my understanding, when it comes to requesting proof of non-revocation, you're specifying just timestamp. You don't actually do any lookup of the revocation deltas or updates. I think you may actually get the, the most I think you would do is you get the registry, but you don't actually get all the associated deltas and updates to that Yeah. But when you are talking about deltas, you are talking about the way that was, was defining in the, but now in the, in Anoncrez, we have the status list, the revocation status list. So in my opinion, if you are going to, to ask for a non-revocation proof, it will be better if you provide a valid timestamp. But in order to not to. Now is a valid timestamp. Yeah. But, but if you, if you, if you create a proof request, you can ask the lecturer to, to see how, if, what's the, the, the, the most accurate timestamp according to the one you were wanting to, to have. So in that way you will, you will ask the, the, the prover for a timestamp that will be, I mean, it will be the, the, the, the last one valid at the time that you were. Yeah. It's, it's like putting, putting the effort now on the, on the verifier, right? But we're going to do that. We need to put that on the specification, Anoncrez. Maybe yes. Yeah. I think it will not be any confusion if, if you, if you do so. And also, so usually I, in the, in the practical case, usually the, the verifier is more powerful than the holder because the holder is usually a mobile device. So Yeah, but the holder also needs to query.  No, but all this stuff we have to do in a shade to, to provide the revocation of a rights, it's something that will, will add some overhead. Yeah, but the query to the lecture is going to be also, but the, yes, but there will be more queries to the lecture in the holder side. Because we have to, to do the, to do, because we have to, we have to do the, the, the regular one, let's say, and also the ones to, to provide the, the, this overrides to the Anoncrez library. That's the verifier side that needs to provide or overwrite. You're right. Yeah, you're right. And if we move it to the request side, basically it means you need to do the work then. And otherwise you need to do it at the verification process. And like you could already, at some point pre-cache those, like if you already know which is the latest, or if it won't change, like there's some way you could like pre-cache that and just say like provide overrides by default or something. But yeah, I think we, it doesn't incur extra queries from the ledger. It's just like a bit more logic to see like, right, which is, timestamp range is valid for which, timestamp from the ledger for the Deltas and the revocation status list. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's the same actor who will need to, to do the, the effort. But another question I have is in the case of the, of in the SDK, because I'm ready, I'm planning to do most of the, of these changes on, on the un-on-creds or legacy in the proof format service before calling the, the, the, the very fair service. So in, in the case of, of the in the SDK, we have to, to throw down an error if, if we are providing an override or what should we do? Interesting, yeah. Ideally, we handle it in the un-on-creds or REST service. So it's not like specific to the format. But yeah, I think we should throw an error in that case, then in the, in the SDK one, or we should do the verification and we can, we can check it afterwards manually. Where if there's overrides, because in the SDK just wouldn't do, just won't do the validation. So it will actually succeed. Yeah. So in that case, it, it won't be an issue. And we could choose to in AFJ fix the issue from in the SDK if we want. Okay. Yeah. There be any concern with doing so in terms of like, that then introduces inconsistency between AFJ and ACCPI in relation to in the SDK? I'm not sure if that's an issue, but we would be introducing a difference in behavior. Yeah. Yeah, I think because, but I think because it has some implications on security, I wouldn't find that an issue. Probably ACCPI should also make the same change. So yeah. I think that's, yeah. I think I agree with you. I don't think it's an issue. The inconsistency is, is okay. But I'm thinking, I like the idea of such that request be accurate. So make sure that you have the from a correct or a valid from. There is a little bit of an issue with, with the request side being the correct time stamp. I see those that if as a verifier, what I want to say to the prover is I want to know if you're, if your driver's license was valid two weeks ago when you had your accident, right? It's a very different thing to display to the user. Oh, I want to actually know if your driver's license was valid five weeks ago when the last Delta was actually posted to the ledger. So I think that that could be solved with the non-credits 2.0 or you could provide a little bit more information with the non revocation where you say this is the time stamp from the ledger that I want to use. And this is the one I'm trying to verify as valid against, if that makes sense. But dealing with a non-credits V1, I think misses some of the nuance there. Okay, we're mostly there fixing small bugs here. The things we're working on right now for the discussion. So, okay, cool. Thanks everyone. And I'll see you next week or actually next week. I won't be here. But yeah, so if somebody else can host, please let me know, reach out to me. And then, yeah, you can host. And otherwise, I'll find somebody for someone from my team to host. But if somebody wants to host, please let me know. Thanks so good to see you.


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Einech dechlaes anambroelections inconclusif due to insecurity in Ufial, a local government area of the state and Nigeria's Senator Alin Dumey urges President Bahari to sign unexplained wealth order. This is plus politics, I am Mary Annacol. The Anambro State Governorship Election has been declared inconclusif by the Independent National Electoral Commission, Einech. The State Returning Officer for the election Florence will be the Vice-Chancellor of the University of Calabar, who made the declaration added that this was because there was no election in Ihala local government area, which has over 148,000 registered voters. Now, Einech could not deploy voting materials to Ihala during Saturday's election because of the security threat, she said. But so far, Charles Soludo, the All-Progressive Grand Alliance candidate, had won the elections in 18 out of the 21 local government areas of the state. Now, the supplementary election would be conducted in Ihala come Tuesday, November 9. Well, joining us to discuss the events in Anambra so far is Law Merfor. He is a public affairs analyst and a legal practitioner. We also have Vince Oenyequelu, he is a national security consult and risk strategist. And we also have Achike Chude, who is a political analyst and he was an observer during the elections. Thank you very much gentlemen for joining us. Thank you. Thank you for hosting us. Thank you. Well, yeah, I'm going to start with you Achike because you were an observer and you were part of the situation room. Now you have been in Anambra before the elections and of course after the elections. Let's start by looking at the trouble spot Ihala.  Asides from the fact that the beavers were not working, what else did you observe? Well, I mean, it was, look what happened, we don't know exactly what happened the very first time that is following the election on Saturday. That showed that Ihala was not part of the voting process. Of course there are all kinds of issues, a little bit of disturbance. They were told that the military fired some shots of what I mean. The reality is that the election eventually did not take place in Ihala. It took place the following day and then it followed the same pattern that we have seen in other parts of the state. That is a peaceful election. Obviously, Anambra and Embraer, so in the Anambra where we are desirous of having a free and fair election, that was not characterized by any form of violence and disturbance. It was the moment to be proud of the people of Anambra that stood to be counted. In as much as we are all aware that the turnout was not fantastic, it has never been. In fact, Anambra State has been quite notorious for not having very large turnout during the election. This followed another pattern. What made it worse was the pre-election state of insecurity and the prehension and tension that characterized the events leading to the election. It is good that the election has been concluded. We now wait for the final definitive statement as to the winner of that process. There are people who think that this turnout was great because they didn't expect people to come up based on the fact that they were afraid of what could have happened. Of course, with the loads of security, there was a cry by governors of the south-east about the militarization of Anambra. When you say that the turnout was not so great, in this regard wouldn't you say that this was even better than you expected? Well, in the context of the events leading to the election, it was not bad. In fact, I had predicted to somebody, I think to a media organisation while I was in Anambra State during the election, I had predicted that if we had anything from 12% to 15% of the turnout, that would be fair to me. Since we were having a usually low turnout of around 18, 22, 24% of the voters in Anambra State, so with the extraordinary peculiar situation leading to the election, I think the turnout I would agree with you was fairly reasonable, at least on that basis alone. Yes, it was. Vince, you were in the field. I did see you on election day and you could read some of the security handling of the situation in the country, in the state, I beg your pardon. I did remember saying that, I repeated it over and over again, that many people were calling me, lots of people were sending me messages and saying I have to be safe, why am I not wearing a bulletproof vest, et cetera, et cetera. And this is the feel that people were getting from outside the state, but when I got to the state, it was pretty calm. But you did say that, well, I hadn't been there for a long time, so I did not necessarily understand what was going on in Anambra. Paint a picture for us. The picture of what you saw in Anambra was not the real events. It was not the real sides and views of Anambra. I've been here permanently for over two and a half months physically, and I can assure you that Anambra was pretty dirty. Anambra was pretty dangerous. I don't want to paint a picture that would scare people. So when you saw it for the two days you were in Anambra a couple of days, it was not the real situation that would be seen in Anambra.  What you saw in Anambra on Friday was silent, deserted streets. It wasn't for a joke. The funny thing about the presence of the security agencies, yes, it helps to have the organized security agencies on ground. However, most people of Anambra origin actually see the security agencies not as friends, but they see them as enemies. I don't know where they got that state of mind, but they see the security agencies as oppressors in one way. They see them as people that they have tagged to be involved in extra judicial killings. So when you saw in Anambra where people left Anambra, a lot of people didn't have to go to any of which state. A lot of people left for Delta, for Asaba, just to stay out of the picture. So personally, I know that Anambra has been very poorly when it comes to the issue of our election apathy. But what we saw on Saturday was actually more people stayed away totally. And I met you in Amor, for example, and I told Amor that I just went through to the governor's lodge, to the DSS headquarters, to the police command headquarters, to all the whole headquarters in Alkar. But you saw the numbers. And obviously, Anambra is still dangerous. I've seen killings in Anambra that I don't want to paint a picture, because if I tell you about people that will shoot straight to the head, then if you shoot to the body again, just in case if you have some kind of talisman, they shoot straight to the head. And until they see the grain marrows on the floor, they will not let go. Anambra was pretty nasty. What do you think that the security person was responsible for what you're describing? Because I might never understand what you're saying because I didn't see it, I didn't experience it. But I also remember that from Thursday people were literally just peeping through their windows, not necessarily moving about as they would want to. But why do you think that Anambra became such a hotbed? Because before the Anambra elections, what we heard more of was email states. How did it move to Anambra and become so heated that what you're describing seems to be the order of the day before the elections? Obviously, to be honest to you, most of us that have been on ground have an idea of what is wrong in Anambra state. What is it? Anambra state wasn't actually so, obviously, let me land. I would not be able to tell you in totality the reason because I have to think about my own personal safety and security also. So you have to forgive me. I can't say it, but the government of the day, the people in power, know what's going on at the motor parks. I live in that way. They know what's up, but I cannot say more than that. I have to think about my family life and my security too. So I don't want to delve into areas that you don't have any security to provide for me. But the people in power know what's going on in Anambra state. They know the war of the hits. They know what's going on. They cannot pretend they don't know. Because when people die in Anambra, even the media do not even carry any more because the media don't want to tell people how dangerous Anambra was. And if the media don't carry it, you will not know what's going on. So if somebody is killed in Mbuku or somebody is killed in Aguaoka, if the media don't carry it, you will never know what happened.  You know when people are shot in the presence of their own mother that gave birth to them. So they're next to their mother and the guys will come and bring them down. So if the media don't announce it, you will not know. But we are a local spirit. But obviously I won't come out in the public and start telling you what's going on. Because I have to take care of my life also and so I have to go after myself too. I'm also very curious. Are these Anambarians killing themselves or do you think that these are outsiders coming to perpetrate acts of violence against the people of Anambra? I'm trying to understand because again, iPop has been put on the chopping board here because of all of the unrest that has been experienced in Anambra States again. Not to try to put you on the spot, but who do you think are the people who are responsible for what's happening? In response to the best of my knowledge, iPop has nothing. They have nothing to do with the killings in Anambra State. Totally they have nothing to do with it. I could be wrong and I hope I'm wrong. But I can tell you that iPop has nothing. They are not involved in the killings in Anambra State. The people in power know what is happening in Anambra State. iPop has got nothing to do with it. I could be wrong, but based on my own physical experience here, it has nothing to do with iPop. And to tell you innocent with the killings in Anambra State. Totally innocent. All right. Let me come to Dr Mefford. You obviously have been watching things from the outside in, because I'm not sure that you're from Anambra State. But you must have had a bird's eye view of what's happening, not just in Anambra, but in the South East. And now, INEC has shifted elections from Sunday until Tuesday. Of course, they're trying to make sure that the results are properly put together, and then, of course, the winner is announced. Do you see INEC being able to conduct that election in Ihala based on all the information that you've heard as to what's happening there? Thank you. First, I am from Anambra State, and I'm also politically active, very, very active.  No, I have returned to Abuja, but I know a lot about my state. And I have followed the gubernatorial election. I have followed it from the beginning to this very moment. And I think I have a fair view of what is going on, what has transpired, and what would happen tomorrow, if tomorrow comes. On the whole, I think we should commend the Anambrarians, commend the security operatives, commend INEC, for being able to pull this through, because the build-up to the election didn't really inspire much confidence. Nobody knew the election would even hold in the first place. So, for it to come and go, I think it's something quite commendable. I believe it could be better, but given the circumstances, I think it's good enough what we have so far. Anambra is made up of 21 local governments, and the election has been concluded in 20. Rhyw bernorth, maybe if it's on pockets of feeds, then somewhere I think in Oguaru and the Demilion North, you still have a few places where run-off may be warranted. But here particularly, the reason we are given, I think is plausible. The reason is that INEC didn't have sufficient manpower to be able to mobilise to site. Remember, we had the reports from the media telling us that INEC ad hoc staff were resigning, and it turned out to be true. Yes, even if you followed through also, in a polling unit, you need to have an upgrade of four INEC officials. We had them on the upgrade system in the Anambra election. That will show you that manpower was really a short supply. But that could also... I'm sorry, Dr Law. Could that also not be tied to the fact that maybe the parents and guardians of these people who were supposed to be working as ad hoc staff did not sign waiver forms or were afraid of what was happening in Anambra, and that's why they didn't let them show up? Of course, there are reasons for it.  So your reason is not unconnected. It's likely that people were pulling out their children from the firing line. You don't allow your relation to insert himself in the enhanced way for any reason. So obviously, those ad hoc staff may have been prepared or thrown by their families to really pull out. But whatever the reason is, evidently many of them pulled out and they affected Ehiala. So tomorrow we need to have Ehiala come into the picture. This will enable INEC to fulfill all the constitutional and other expanded literary provisions because you ought to hold the elections. And where elections cannot hold, you can ignore only on one condition. Where the margin of win by the person topping the list and the person following him, the difference between their scores must be larger than the registered number of voters. And you know that Saludos scored 103,000 and a follow-up of the PDPs scored 52,000. So separating them is about 51,000 votes. So what that means is that we have up to 124,000, I think, registered voters in Ehiala. That is greater than the margin of victory of Chukuba Saludo.  That's exactly where we are facing at the moment. And I think that the decision of Professor Florence Obey, the Colletin and the Returning Officer for Anambra State Elections, her decision is perfectly not that. And waiting till tomorrow for filled out constitutional requirements will not be too much to really sacrifice is a constitutional requirement. But I do not expect anything to change because even if you check the 20 local governments already declared, you will see that the average percentage turned out of voters per local government, none of them exceeded 10%. So even if you go on the same upgrade for Ehiala, even if you double it to 20%, that will still give you less than 20,000 voters that will come out in Ehiala. Soludo does not score a single vote tomorrow. And Paolo Zibwm takes the entire 20,000 votes that will come in tomorrow. He will still be about 30,000 votes short of the margin already secured by Soludo. So what is going to happen tomorrow is not really to decide who will be the governor. Soludo is the governor-elect. Well, we cannot I'm sorry, Dr Mefford, we cannot jump the gun. No, no, no, that's not our place to say we would allow INEC to do the declaration, make sure that they count the votes and then declare whoever emerges as the governor, but it's not our place. We can only make assumptions. But I want to quickly come to you, Achike. One thing that was worthy of note during the elections was that we saw a lot more women show up in Anambra, both young, old, physically impaired, they all showed up against all odds. One would have thought that the women would have sat indoors and allowed the men to come out knowing that if anything were to happen they would be able to take care of themselves. But we saw more women coming out. Now, I also want to raise something quickly because you were an observer before I go back to Vince. Now, before the suspension of the coalition of results, before INEC talked about the Ihiala situation, there was issues around Orumba Nos, where an official said he was forced to sign election results. Now, a committee was set up quickly by INEC to review the dispute in Orumba Nos. Do you see that being done and dusted before tomorrow? The latest report I had was that the matter had been resolved and that that particular local government had been incorporated. That was the report I read. You know, obviously so many things have happened in an election. A lot of things some of us do not know. And such a meeting at the Collision Centre is a place where people are able to actually ventilate their grievances as we hope that answers can be provided. I believe that since the committee set up a committee to look into it, no other person is a power to do that. I think that by the way, these are some of the things that have happened. We do not expect perfection in the electoral process. We see glitches and glitches here and there. Then you talked about the participation of women which was actually very commendable. A lot of them came out. But then, what would women stay back and allow the men to come and exercise their own franchise? Democracy is all about everybody. It's all about those people who are of age who also have a stake to protect. The women obviously felt that they had the stake to protect and the rightfully came out. It's not just the women who we also saw some disabled. Obviously, INEC did a lot in that direction because the report we had from the field from our people on the field was that adequate infrastructure was put in place for the vulnerable and for the disabled. In fact, pregnant women were given an expedited response by INEC who were allowed to vote. Other people who were also disabled were given expedited access to the voting point. I think that some of these issues were very commendable. Of course, we talked about the issue of security. Somehow, I think it was mentioned in the course of this discussion. I was impressed. I can tell you, not just myself, a lot of us from the suicide situation were quite impressed with the way the security forces, soldiers, policemen conducted themselves. Maybe contrary to the impression people had had all this while. Perhaps there was a special kind of reaction that the police and the security forces were mandated to show during the election. But whichever way it was quite commendable they treated observers with a lot of respect and courtesy. Even those who were in the queue were also respected too. I think that this is what we want to see going forward. Finally, Vince, I'm coming to you because of the issue of insecurity. You've said that what's happening in the States is known to all, especially those in power. Of course, the reason why we're having this conversation is because there was elections in Anambra and, you know, insecurity was a front burner issue because you cannot have an election if you have a state that is, you know, facing some form of insecurity. Now, the elections have come. They will soon be over tomorrow and, of course, life continues. But as a security person what would you be proposing that the government of the day do to put an end to this insecurity because it seems that it goes beyond the election in itself. It could be much more than that meets the eye. Two things I would suggest. The government of the day, the current government, I'm not sure they have the capacity to do anything much. Rather, I would hope that a new government that will come in place would be a no-nonsense government that will honestly and holistically call a spade a spade because I believe that he will get the intelligence the information about what's going on in Anambra State about insecurity. I think, honestly, it's not difficult for him to take a stand if he wants to take a stand. And that's what I think we should do in Anambra State because, honestly, in Anambra State I've not left Anambra State yet. And I think we have to be very careful our statements.  I think we need to come together now and ask India Anambra to move our dear state forward what we call the spade of Anambra the state we love. We need to come together and now stop talking about you lost I won, da da da da let's talk about how to move forward let the best man win and the best man should serve everybody in Anambra State because we want Anambra State to be better security wise we want our daughters to come back home and do their traditional marriages we want to have our sons to come back home and do their young festival we don't want people to be shot dead as if it's in Hollywood because if you see things that happen and you want to express way in the past month it's like in Hollywood it's like what you see in Hollywood we don't want to see that and I also want the media to be on this in their correspondence they should not hide information about crime that people can have the true picture but what you saw on Saturday if you're just a stranger that is not the Anambra we know but most have come and they've gone back to their stations we are still here we need peace everybody should come on board and know that killing is not the best way for us we want everybody to come to us we can build a beautiful state a state we love let me just briefly say this he says that what we saw on Saturday is not the Anambra we know but it is the Anambra we want to know it is the Anambra that we want to see it is the Anambra that is peaceful because in fact this is the Anambra we have always known Anambra has always been a peaceful place the whole of the South East has always been a very peaceful place except for the activities of maybe the past six months or the past one year and all that so that is the Anambra that is what Igbo man has always been known for he has always been a peaceful person whether in the South East or whether he's outside of the South East that has been his forte his greatest strength he's a peace maker and he's a builder he's not a trouble maker but again in order not to take your time we also know that the problem of insecurity does not lie within the domain of the South East or the Anambra state it is a national political issue that should be addressed as such I would really love to take you up on this but I'll move to Dr Meffa because of time I've been in Inugul and the state seems to be very peaceful they've not even recorded any case of you know or whatever uprising they seem to be leaving in paradise for want of a better word Dr Meffa this is for you I'm listening I didn't hear the question you talked about living in Inugul and being peaceful I was just responding to but I'm talking to you now because I want you to give us your last words before we wrap up my last line is this you see Anambra is a great state and a very exemplary state and we are in touch for some hiccups yesterday's election would have been the best ever in Nigeria the electronic voting machine failed generally and it caused a lot of a lot of delay and it disenfranchised a lot of people also that left a sharp taste on our mouth and the INEC has to do something about that moving forward in Ehiala and of course in other places in the country and again I want to still commend the security operatives they need to put an ice on that cake tomorrow by remaining professional the way they have been all through this exercise and then finally I would want to advise the contestants in this election 18 covenorship candidates they are all winners if you ask me participating and coming this far is a level of win already whoever eventually emerges tomorrow whether it is Soludo or somebody else who emerges we should all put hands together and ensure that the state is rebuilt and we have a better Anambra Anambra has always been an exemplary state let us not forget Anambra is the gateway to the east if we don't get it right in Anambra the rest of the south east may be struggling because of Anambra so let us be aware of this contemporary historical responsibility placed on us by nature we have to go Mefo, Lord Vince, Onye, Cwylw a Chikei Tudey, thank you so much for being part of this conversation we look forward to tomorrow and the results that will come out of it thank you alright thank you all for staying with us we'll come on with plus politics in a few minutes talking about the senate wanting President Bahari to order people to disclose the source of their wealth so we'll take a short break now and when we come back more


Sisters, it is such a joy to be with you. Imagine someone going to a market to purchase an item. If she pays the cashier more than the item is worth, the cashier will give her change. King Benjamin taught his people in ancient America of the tremendous blessings we receive from our Savior, Jesus Christ. He created the heavens, the earth, and all the beauty we enjoy. Through his loving atonement, he provides a way for us to be redeemed from sin and death. As we show our gratitude to him, by diligently living his commandments, he immediately blesses us, leaving us always in his debt. He gives us much, much more than the value of what we can ever return to him. So what can we give to him who paid the incalculable price for our sins? We can give him change. We can give him our change. It may be a change of thought, a change in habit, or a change in the direction we are headed. In return for his priceless payment for each of us, the Lord asks us for a change of heart. The change he requests from us is not for his benefit, but for ours. So unlike the purchaser at the market, who would take back the change we offer, our gracious Savior beckons us to keep the change. After hearing the word spoken by King Benjamin, his people cried out, declaring that their hearts had changed, saying, because of the spirit of the Lord omnipotent, which has wrought a mighty change in us, we have no more disposition to do evil, but to do good continually. The scriptures do not say that they immediately became perfect, rather that their desire to change compelled them to action. Their change of heart meant putting off the natural man or woman and yielding to the spirit as they strove to become more like Jesus Christ. President Henry B. Irene teaches, quote, true conversion depends on seeking freely in faith with great effort and some pain. Then it is the Lord who can grant the miracle of cleansing and change, end quote. Combining our effort with the Savior's ability to change us, we become new creatures. When I was younger, I visualized myself walking along an upward vertical path towards my goal of eternal life. Each time I did or said something wrong, I felt myself sliding down the path only to start my journey all over again. It was like landing on that one square in the children's game, shoots and ladders that slide you down from the top of the board back to the beginning of the game. It was discouraging. But as they began to understand the doctrine of Christ and how to apply it daily in my life, I found hope. Jesus Christ has given us a continuous pattern for change. He invites us to exercise faith in him, which inspires us to repent, which faith and repentance bring a change of heart. As we repent and turn our hearts to him, we gain a greater desire to make and live sacred covenants. We endure to the end by continuing to apply these principles throughout our lives and inviting the Lord to change us. Enduring to the end means changing to the end. I now understand that I am not starting over with each failed attempt, but that with each try, I'm continuing my process of change. There is an inspired phrase in the young women theme that states, I cherish the gift of repentance and seek to improve each day. I pray that we do cherish this beautiful gift and that we are intentional in seeking change. Sometimes the changes we need to make are associated with serious sin, but most often we strive to refine our character to align ourselves with the attributes of Jesus Christ. Our daily choices will either help or hinder our progress. Small but steady, deliberate changes will help us improve. Do not become discouraged. Change is a lifelong process. I am grateful that in our struggles to change, the Lord is patient with us. Through Jesus Christ, we are given the strength to make lasting changes. As we humbly turn to him, he will increase our capacity to change. In addition to the transforming power of the Savior's Atonement, the Holy Ghost will support and guide us as we put forth our effort. He can even help us know what changes we need to make. We can also find help and encouragement through priesthood blessings, prayer, fasting, and attending the temple. Likewise, trusted family members, leaders, and friends can be helpful in our efforts to change. When I was eight years old, my older brother Lee and I would spend time with our friends planning the branches of a neighborhood tree. We loved being together in the fellowship of our friends in the shade of that tree. One day, Lee fell out of the tree and broke his arm. Having a broken arm made it hard for him to climb the tree by himself. But life in the tree just wasn't the same without him there. So some of us steadied him from behind. While others pulled on his good arm and without too much effort, Lee was back in the tree. His arm was still broken, but he was with us again, enjoying our friendship as he healed. I have often thought about my experience of planting the tree as being a type of our activity in the gospel of Jesus Christ. In the shade of gospel branches, we enjoy many blessings associated with our covenants. Some may have fallen from the safety of their covenants and need our help climbing back into the security of gospel branches. It can be difficult for them to come back on their own. Can we gently tug a little here and hoist up a little there to help them heal while they enjoy our friendship? If you are suffering an injury from a fall, please allow others to help you return to your covenants and the blessings they offer. This savior can help you heal and change while surrounded by those who love you. I occasionally run into friends who I haven't seen for many years. And sometimes they say, you haven't changed at all. But each time I hear that, I cringe a little because I hope I have changed over the years. I hope I have changed since yesterday. I hope I am a little kinder, less judgmental and more compassionate. I hope I am quicker to respond to the needs of others and I hope I am just a little bit more patient. I love hiking in the mountains near my home. Often I get a little rock in my shoe as I walk along the trail. Eventually I stop and shake out my shoe, but it astounds me how long I allow myself to hike in pain before I stop and rid myself of the irritant. As we travel the covenant path, sometimes we pick up stones in our shoes in the form of poor habits, sins, or bad attitudes. The quicker we shake them from our lives, the more joyful our mortal journey will be. Maintaining change takes effort. I cannot imagine stopping along the trail only to put back in my shoe the annoying and painful pebble I just removed. I would not want to do that anymore than a beautiful butterfly would choose to return to her cocoon. I testify that because of Jesus Christ, we can change. We can adjust our habits, alter our thoughts, and refine our character to become more like him. And with his help, we can keep the change in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.


will be negative this will be positive this will be negative again clear now greater than equal to zero means positive or equal to zero so can i say minus one to one but i cannot include one i can only include a minus one because if i include a one y will become a zero sorry denominator will become a zero and if denominator becomes a zero that is not permissible okay so those who have said square bracket minus one to one let me tell you my dear students unfortunately that answer will be sitting in your options and you will confidently mark it right and lose one mark okay be careful see you anyways you can test that this guy cannot become a one if you put this equal to one it means you are trying to say see you're trying to say if this can become a one that means you're trying to say x square minus one can become x square plus one means you're trying to say minus one is equal to one right not possible okay so it can never achieve one it will be round brackets there is it clear is it clear any questions any concerns you got square brackets because of that okay send me the your solution achenya yeah okay so with this we'll stop today's session our next class will be the very vital one because i'm going to go beyond your school level uh concept of domain and range please do not miss out on that class don't be late because i'm going to talk things which may not be present directly in your textbook okay so till then take care good night shabat hair stay safe everybody thank you