Hello.  As we populate the committee. You want to make me a co-host. I already made a co-host. When I sent it, but I guess. Oh, am I. Big co-host. Okay. Okay. You're good. Ready you around Thursday. It depends on the time. I'm around. I'm down in spring field. Between eight and one. Before two, so. I'll be back by. I'll be back by 1245 or one. All right. I'll try to figure it out to get the table to you. Okay. Let me put that on my calendar. So I don't go anywhere. Hey, Alan. I was in Orleans last week. Nice. Family store. Yeah. And lots of money, I hope, right? Yeah. Is the library your family as well, the snow library? It's. Part of, yes, not directly, but it is. Not a direct. Yeah. Well, cool. My mom was very active in the library, you know, as far as volunteering and. Book sales and all that fun stuff. So I'm very fortunate to be able to have that experience. I'm probably going to have to move inside. So my dogs. Didn't have any trees get hit by lightning during that storm on Sunday. Had a couple around town. Some town trees. They're all private trees, actually. No, no. Dairy barns on fire this time.  No dairy barns on fire this time, though. So thank God. Yeah, that was quite a storm. Yeah. I was looking at pictures from Vermont. It's just incredible. Yeah, I mean even over in Florence, honestly. But the mill river flooding just on the other side of the river is pretty significant. And then I saw somebody in my department. When did took a video of Shelburne Falls and it's, it's pretty intense and like the upper upper deer field is really going and I think it, I think it's not supposed to peak tomorrow. So, yeah. Well, Wilmington, Vermont where the field goes through was flooded so yeah, yeah. Yeah, the site the picture that they were using in the New York Times or was a video on the New York Times that they were using to show the flooding in Vermont was this big actually a restaurant this part of this glass blowing studio that I we ate in last month. Because it's over, it's a, it kind of like hangs over the river. And it looked pretty intense and actually part of that bridge had been totally washed out I think in Irene in 2011. So, I don't know we'll see what happens. Well, we have a quorum, not sure where Shoshana or Sarah, Shoshana had posted something today that she was in the hospital with her daughter so I don't, I don't know if that was planned or not planned. But that's where she was this morning so that could be. Okay. Yeah, I didn't see that I saw the benefits of going to be here. I'll text posted something on her personal Instagram that they were over in the hospital. So, hey Sarah. All right. So should we start. Sure. Okay. I'll just, I'll just announce to everybody that we are recording this meeting and it will be available for you. After the close of work on Friday. All right. Let's start with ours. Julian. Only eight or nine. Okay. Three. I think just two. And I probably had seven. All right. And approval of the June minutes. I was not present at the meeting. No, everyone else look good. I didn't hear anything. I assume they're approved. Okay. Go with that. And it's approved. Oh, who wants to take notes. I can try to take notes. Okay. I don't know how detailed you like them, but I'll, I'll. Either overdo it or underdo it more than. Overdo it. I can, you know, we can discard, but if you don't have. Okay. Yeah. I don't need everything, including the said, but. Minutes approved, you know, who's here. Yep. Yeah. Great. If you have last month's, you can use that as a reference, but. Okay. So. Not a lottery port. I still have not written a letter to the Boston Globe. Just not writing these days. I still have the table. I'm going to get to Brit. We talked about that. Yeah. Yeah. On the. On our email accounts, we got one question. Someone worried about the. Sycamore trees. And I assure it's just a disease that happens every year and. And Thracnos. They're all coming back. They're looking fine. So. It's a drag. I mean, they don't look good early in the season, but. I do survive it. Okay. So. August. Well, I have the date set. I just don't have to arrange for the actual training. So I'm working on. Should be okay. Okay. And that's about it. Except the municipal reforestation program that. Governor Healy's doing. Where that. And there's also in the legislature. I was right about that. I. I filled out the form and signed on to that letter. I think Sarah sent it around last month. I, yes, I did sign on to that as well. Cause that's, that's a pretty good thing to really push forward. All right. Julian. Nice chair report. Yeah, I sent. That. Thing out to five or six. Folks. And got a good amount of signatures on that. So. In addition to that, I have. Recently started working for the town. So I get to see the tree side of things. In different work going on in town. One thing I did notice today was one of those. Trees on the town. Common. Was near the bus stop was hanging a leader down. So that's something. For the beach. Yep. And yeah, I think that is all I have. Thank you. Alan tree ones report. Not a lot to go over, but just quickly. Obviously we removed the, uh, no remapling college street ever sources continuing to. Work on their project and work their way down the street. Um, In that project. I had the date set. We have the date set for the 12th. Retro training. Ash trees are declining pretty rapidly right now. And we're going to be losing. You know, but, uh, 12 or 15 ash trees. In town downtown. Um, Are going to be. Need to come down soon probably by the end of the summer or fall. Um, And, um, Tom manager wants. Me to work with the committee. So the town and committee can come out with sort of a public information piece.  Things like that. So. I'll try to, um, Get that ball rolling. Um, Yeah. How old are those trees? Uh, realignment park trees. They're probably. Yeah. 20 years old. Okay. Something like that. Okay. Um, We will be the town mice, the tree warden and. Committee will be asked to review the. Removal plan and the tree protection plan. For Jones library. So, um, We'll try to set up a meeting. To meet with, um, The landscape architect project manager. Jones library so that we can all look at it. Um, I think that's great that they're including us, even though it won't make a difference, but nice to be included in these things. Um, Also with the four rear of school. So as that project moves forward with it. Building of a new school. Um, I think that's great. I think that's great that they're including us, even though it won't make a difference, but nice to be included in these things. Um, I think that's great that they're including us. Um, I think that's great that they're including us, even though it won't make a difference, but nice to be included in these things. Um, I think that moves forward with it. Building of a new school and demolition of the old school. Um, I've been asked to review the plans there for a tree protection zones and, um, Potentially. You know, DBW may end up doing the work. To help save money for the project. But that's not. Hasn't been determined yet. I think that's great. I think that's great. I think that's great. I think that's great. I think that's a great project that would probably need to be removed. But I have not had to walk through yet. So I'm not. Not sure on that. I'm just basing it on the plans that I've seen so far. Where trees would need to be removed. They do have a lot of trees planned to go in. Um, It is a well landscaped design. Tree design. Yeah, Britt. Yeah, I wanted, I, I wanted to bring up last month when I wasn't present, um, that my wheels started turning on at the. Tree city awards ceremony. Um, there was a presentation. Um, uh, and maybe you all discussed this last month. I'm not sure, but there was a presentation about, um, not wasting, uh, Public trees at, you know, the wood resources from public trees after they've been removed. And including that would in public works projects, um, in public projects was one way, um, to make sure that they get used, but also to kind of incorporate. You know, history in some way, the, the, um, I think that could be something interesting to, for us to, um, Um, propose particularly in the elementary school project, you know, if, if trees are going to be removed. Is there a way that we can work in, um, some of that wood into the design of the project and the, in this presentation, there were some examples of, you know, libraries and schools and other places that had done it, done this really nicely. Um, so I just wanted to raise that point. That's a great point. We can, you know, We can also, um, There's, uh, some honey locusts and some red maple and, and sugar maple. They're not large trees. There is one red oak tree. I think there's kind of large. I'm not sure if that's going to impact. But it would be a good idea to, you know, to investigate whether or not, you know, that's feasible to do. I don't think anything is going to be happening there for a year. Um, so, um, I don't think there's going to be, um, some time to kind of figure that out, which is great. There's also like benches downtown and other things like that, that would could probably theoretically be used for as well. Sure. And I think something on the, you know, with the library would be, I mean, that's later, that's already been designed. So that may be more challenging. And one of the points in this presentation was, you know, that this conversation has to happen. Like redesign, really. Um, so, you know. Um, I think that's one of the most creative ways for us to, to try to get some of this wood used. Um, The Amherst History Museum lost their, you know, their historic apple tree, which fell over in the storm. Uh, I think it was Sunday storm. Um, so, uh, they asked for some information on kind of replacement and whatnot. So I haven't responded yet, but it'd be great opportunity to try to figure out what, um, you know, figure out, um, how to source a nice, you know, apple tree that could be planted. They had to replace it. Maybe the committee could be involved in that. Yeah, that tree I'd noticed was in decline before it went over. Yeah. No, there's a lot of decay, which old, old apple trees fall out. No, but this one looked, it looked pretty bad. The week or so ago. Yeah. And, um, I think that's it. Yes. That's all I got. Good. Thank you. Uh, well, our treasurer is not here. So no treasure report. Uh, Julian. Anything new on social media. Not specifically, I have logged into the Facebook account so I can use that and monitor that. I checked it before this meeting and. I'm thinking to periodically post updates before. New meetings and that type of thing on to the Facebook account. I'm just learning how to use it. So spend some time here and there sort of navigating the controls. What does what could I am used to Instagram, but I'm not used to Facebook. So. Okay. And, um, did this meeting get posted on either of them? This meeting got posted on Instagram. It's not Facebook. Okay. So. Between the new and Shoshana really we want, I want everything posted. Got it. That's pretty important. I think. All right. Thanks. And on to our agenda items. Mary maple love letter exhibit. Anything new on that. You're muted. I haven't had a chance to do anything on that. Um, I was going to look into some grants. And I will do that. Thank you. All right. The individual tree request policy. Um, I get it mixed up with the other one. Is that the one you went over, Ellen? Yes. Do you have it handy or. I emailed it to you. Yeah, let me see if our last meeting. Let me see if I can call it up. We lose Alan. There we are. It looks like it says he's the host now. So he's come back, I guess. Yeah, Mike. I don't know what happened. I lost my connection there briefly. So. So I apologize for that. Just went out. Okay. So here's this. Sarah said she'll join when she can probably around six. Let me share my screen with this then. Everyone see it? Yes. I can make it bigger. I don't think this is the one that I sent you. Okay. The other one was. Yeah, this is not it. Was the native tree policy. I'll look it through my emails to see what I can find. Well, that's coming up to me. But let me bring that one up. Stop sharing just to make this easier. I can't find it. Okay. Somewhere. One more try. Now I'm not going to be able to find it. All right. Does anyone else have it? I have the one that I wrote. I can pull that up. Yeah. Okay. And if you can share it, that'd be great. Okay. Hold on one second. Things get lost in Gmail and folders. I don't have permission to share. Let me see if I can give you more. I'll just make it covost. I can't do that. So you have to do that. Okay. So, um, yeah, this is just the individual tree request. Yeah. See. I think this looks good. The only thing that's not clear to me. And then maybe we don't want this to be clear. I don't know. I mean, I think it should be clear. What are the criteria. That we. Consider in approving or not approving a request. Like if you have, if you're making a request for a tree to be planted in the public right of way or in a 20 foot setback. You know, is that automatically. Is it just a formality for it to be approved or. Do we want to say like based on budget or tree availability or, or things like that. Yeah. Be nice to prioritize. So obviously you want to. Like you're going to set criteria. You want to prioritize large trees. You'll end up getting a lot of requests for dogwoods. You know, which. So if somebody has a location that is. Large soil volume and no overhead. You know, utilities or obstructions, then. You know, you nice to be able to prioritize large trees to act as public shade trees. Yeah. And that, you know, dogwoods could be plant, you know, smaller trees could be planted if it was in a confined root zone. Or, you know, overhead obstructions. I'd say that. And then we're feasible large shade trees. Okay. Yeah. I mean, is there something. I'm just asking this question. Is there. Do we want to take into consideration. For example, the property value of. The property value of the property. Is that a requirement? That request a right. If somebody, for example, who owns a $1.5 million home is requesting that we use public money to plant a tree. Is that going to be evaluated in the same way as someone. You know, renting. An apartment that is requesting a tree outside of their property, right? Like they're requesting a public tree because they're not willing to use public money to plant a tree outside of their property. So that's a requirement that we should be considering. I'm just posing this as a question. Well, in terms of renters, can't. It has to be the, the owner. Right. Okay. Okay. So, so let's say then, you know, a lower income family owning a home. You know, are those to be considered on equal. Grounds if we have a limited budget. I don't think this comes up often enough to worry about that, but I don't think we should prioritize areas where. There are fewer trees. Okay. You know, it could say we prioritize environmental justice zones. And we'll work to accommodate the needs of. A diverse range of homeowners. You could say something like that. I also think it's worth noting that. Renters and. Homeowners can always ask for it to be within the public right away. And the landlord or whoever does not need to give permission for it to be planted within the public right. And always offer that as an option. Like I'd hate for someone basically just to say, no, we can say, well, if your landlord doesn't want this, but you do, we can always put it in the public way. I think this is good. I don't think we need to say that. Take some more time. Okay. Yeah. That's kind of what I'm trying to do originally. And I think we will do that. But. Yeah, I just want to be clear for anyone. Yeah, I think this language that. Ellen is adding here. Works the committee prioritizes large shade trees. Yeah, I think that, I think that's great. I think that. You know, gets at what I was getting. It's not addressed here is, is there like a one person, one request, one tree policy or could somebody request three trees. I think you could request three. We may not do that, but. Okay. Someone else.  Property in the public way or. As a setback planting environmental justice neighborhood. No, we would definitely be able to. We would want to plant as many trees as possible. You know, right tree, right place. Right. So maybe it's a matter of chain, you know, going back to what I was saying and some of these. You know, points of changing the language of once a tree, once a request is approved to if a request is approved. Parentheses based on. You know, budget and the, the. Decision of the committee. Right. So these are all things that we would discuss, but it's not, I don't want to imply that it's a given that you know, it depends on the, on the situation. Absolutely. I would also say like, for example, I remember on East Hadley road. We planted the re trees in front of a homeowner's house. And it actually made a very nice. Sort of line. Both for the homeowner and folks exiting from. River Glade drive onto the main road there.  It's. All right. Any other changes? Do we want to approve it? We want to think about it some more. I can send it to everybody and. I think this was going to get posted on our website. Correct. Yeah. If we, yeah, somehow. Okay. I'd like to run it by superintendent. Just make sure that we're. Not saying something we're not supposed to say. Okay. So yeah. Ellen might you send it out to everyone. And we'll discuss it again next month. Hopefully approve it by then or finish it. Okay. All right. And then. The native tree policy, I guess that's what. Then it worked on. Let me share that again. I think I already have it open. Oh, this. I actually had the individual through request policy one version of it. Oh, whatever. I think what we have is good. So let me find. The other one I can't find. The native tree policy. Oh, that's what I can't find. Did Bennett send it to both to everybody? Cause I can look. He sent an earlier. He sent an early draft. Cause I remember commenting on. Here I have it. Hold on. I found it too. Dated. June 16th. Yep. Okay. Right. Share it. I pasted it in the chat. And I think my comment, I had sent an email on the 17th of June. That said. You know, to me, it doesn't read like a policy. It reads like it's a statement, right? And so could we include some clear guidelines or criteria. That our committee and future committee committees can use to guide their decisions around, around what trees are being planted. Right. So is there like a hierarchy of questions. That we can ask ourselves when selecting trees for giving planting. Site. Right. Like, is there a native tree we could plant here that could do well. Or I think in an earlier conversation, somebody had mentioned, like, are we aiming for a certain percentage of the total trees we plant. To be native. You know, is there some kind of goal. Right. And of course this is complicated because what trees thrive here is a change is a moving target. You know, but I guess my main. Suggestion or my main, my main. Issue is like, can't, can we provide some criteria? So it reads as a policy rather than just a statement. Yeah, we can. Do you want to try to rewrite it and. I can try to rewrite it. I'm, you know, I would like some input or guidance from, from others about like, what, what are our goals? Right. What, what are we trying to do? To me, the goal of having the policy is we get asked this a lot. Not a lot, but some, you know, why are you not planting natives or, right. And I think it's important to explain. I think that's the reason we came up with this. Right. I would also add something like we seek to plant a diversity of species to present. To prevent the potential loss of many trees at one time. I would say due to. Factors including disease. We aim to avoid. Synchronicity in our ecosystems. Or something along. We don't want monocultures, right? Yeah, of course. That type of thing. But that doesn't. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, just, um, you know, changing some of the language from seek to we do or. Yeah. You know, just being more. Fourth rate or direct in. I think it's, this is a good thing to have though, because of the questions we do get. Yeah. So maybe. Maybe we don't want to then quantify or. Apply a percentage. You know, maybe the language of like, we seek to plant. Yeah. Negative trees as the first option. Maybe this is sufficient. Maybe it's just me being. Really analytical. As usual. Why don't I copy this onto the other document and we can read them together. Because I think we want our language to sound. Okay. Yeah. And then we can make changes on that. That's great. Thank you. And Britt, you'll work on. So rewriting. Sure. If, yeah, if, if I'll send it. Yeah. Not be necessary. And this is called the, what, what is the title of it? Native. Native tree policy. Okay. So the individual tree planting policy and the native tree policy. Yeah. Hello, Sarah. Do you want to do a treasurer's report? Hi, I don't have anything to report. Okay. Thank you for joining us. All right. So we are on. Second Saturday plantings. We did good. I think it was a nice work day Saturday. We got everything done. It felt nice being out there with everyone. Okay. Next month we're going to do hopefully the tree inventory training on August 12th. How long do you expect that would take now and any idea? I would say we just take the regular, you know, three hours. Nine to noon. Okay. I'm sorry. I will be on vacation that day. Okay. All right. So that's good. September. Do we have ideas? What we're going to do. Okay. I do not have one selected yet. Anybody have a place to recommend. My daughter is not in this room, but. On Saturday, she had suggested cracker farm elementary. So I will put that out on her behalf. Okay. Yeah, I think we had a running list of places that we've all suggested. Yeah. I can never find it. If anyone else haven't handy. I'll have it in some of the minutes I took over the years. I'll have to look that. Someone mentioned. Drive or something where we can keep all of these type of things. Yeah. That's a good idea. It's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. And it is under the shade tree Gmail account. So it is basically, you can log in to shade tree committee, Google back shade tree committee Gmail, shade tree committee, Google drive sheets, et cetera, slide shows all at the same time. Can we share that with members? Yeah, we absolutely can. Make those folders all available to everybody who's on the phone. Yeah, I think like we can go in and share the folders or whatever. I don't know exactly how to do it. Yeah. Can you do that? If you. Totally click on a document. There's a thing you can click on share and then type in everyone's email addresses. Awesome. That'd be great. Thanks, Julian. Yep. Okay, but I found the list. The list we have from January. Main street. Root nine Belcher town. Road college street. Watson farm. Dana and Blue Hills, which we did and orchard street. Which we did. So. Crocker phone might be a good selection for a September planting. Yeah, it'd be fun to get, you know, families and kids involved. It's, they could certainly use more trees. We've done, we've done several plantings there. You have. Okay. We don't have a good success rate there. Oh, the facilities folks are not. Careful necessarily around the trees that we plant there. So. A lot of, a lot of mortality in our new tree. So what, what measures could be taken?  Are there things that we are talking about like mowers primarily. More string tumors and mowers. Yeah. I mean, I could also. Approach the principal and say, Hey, we'd love to plant some trees here. However, we've tried. I've done that. We've tried. Okay. We run into this with the facilities folks there. It's, you know, They're bus drivers that go out and mow and trim. Yeah. They. Don't focus on preserving newly planted trees. Got it. I think we could, we don't usually put cages around the trees. And that would probably help. So. Yeah. I would think they wouldn't want to hit, hit those. I mean, I don't have. That particular school.  You know, I think the other two elementary schools are going to be changing. So it doesn't make sense to, to plant there. But. And I don't have a good. Feel for what. The middle school and high school. You know, whether or not they need that, but, you know, I'm just passing on the suggestion of an eight year old. Yes. Julian, are you here? Do you have an idea about the middle and high school? Yeah. So the middle school. Has a small arboretum in back that always has trees that die and need replacing and that, and it could be expanded. So that would be an interesting idea. I recently actually just planted one tree at the high school in honor of a retire and retiring dance teacher. But there are probably more planting locations in the high school. Oftentimes the trees at each end of the parking lot.  And so those will always need replacing and then. There is that center island area in the front of the middle school and the high school that new trees can certainly go in. All right. How do you want to proceed Alan? Do you want to. Look into the schools for the September planting? Yeah, I can look into it. Someone mentioned something on the second Saturday. Workday. The location and I didn't write it down. Fortunately. But it was a really good location. And now I can't remember where it was. When we had discussed in the past. So I'll try to remember. What about down on one 16, like not, not all the way up at the new traffic circle that's going in, but it seems pretty. There. Down there.  Is that something you've noticed? Do you mean from the roundabout at Pomeroy to. Like further, further up from closer to town from the roundabout. So I guess it's more like Hampshire college. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Territory, but. Yeah, there's a lot of just open. Farmland there. I mean, there's some beautiful. Giant maple trees, but they're set back farther on. Yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty long stretch of sunny sidewalk. You could look into that, that section. I had suggested Main Street. Sort of near Amherst Dental. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of trees. There's a lot of trees. And that is a very well. Walked upon. Yeah. Main Street was on our list from the January list. It's tricky. There's not much public right of way there. Most mostly set back plantings on that. Yeah. But be worth doing if we can get it to do have to happen. I think I brought up a while ago the possibility of. Watson farms, the apartments, affordable apartments in. Off of Main Street. I don't know. I think we might have to coordinate with the housing authority on that. Then the other thing is that. I'd imagine the housing authority probably might have similar problems to the schools with the mowers and folks. And the people who mow at truck or farm are the same people who mow at the middle and high school. So whatever happens at proper will happen at high school. That's worth noting as well. And then. The other thing was I just shared a new Google drive. Folder. There's nothing in it with everyone on the committee. So. It should be in your emails. Yeah, it seems like cages could be. An approach to these. Sites maintained by. You know, the same, the same people. Yeah. Or consistent watering in the beginning too. Right. And when doing a maintenance day and mulching, so there was like a clear, large mulch circle around the trees. Help. But it would fade over time. So we have to like stay on top of it. But if we like prioritize doing the schools with maintenance days to keep the mulch circle away from the tree, then they wouldn't have to get as close to trim the grass or use a string trimmer. That's just an idea for. The other possibility is we could. The little like watering bags around those trees. Maybe that would push them away from it, or maybe they'd just rip open the water bags and shoot them out with them. Oh, I don't know. North. North prospect, which runs. Alec North prospect streets. We did a planting on part of how like a while ago, but we've been taking down some. A lot of the sugar maples on the North prospect side of that. So that might be a good place to. Yeah. Any, anywhere where a lot of trees are coming down and. I mean, Alan, you have a much better sense of this than I do, but I feel like so many of the sugar maples foot, they just look rough right now. And you know, if we can preempt or, or get in there as early as possible with some new trees that can get some growing time in. I would imagine it's very hard on it. I mean, let's think about it. That's two months away. Now, if you could, you know, think what's the best choice. I'll put, I'll make a new list and I'll put this on our Google drive. All right. Okay. Anything else on. Second Saturday plantings. All right. You mass interns. Anything new on that? Everybody's gone for the summer. I mean, the one student. I've already forgotten her name. This is bad. Hey, when I think who attended our meeting. In May. She will be back in the fall and she is interested in being involved in the in with the committee in some way, particularly around GIS and tree inventory work. So if there is a tree inventory training next month, I can certainly pass that on to her. I don't think she is in town right now. But, you know, this is, this is something that we can revisit. Let's say in September when everybody's back on campus. If we wanted to put out a call, you know, to environmental science students. Or being engaged, you know, we could certainly do that. Okay. Um, tree nursery. I should have shared this last month when we were, but I wasn't here, but when we were at the, um, when Allen and I were at the tree city awards. Ceremony in Greenfield. There was a presentation from the Greenfield tree committee. And they are having. I wrote this down. I wrote this down somewhere. I don't have it in front of me. I'm pretty sure it's July 15th. So, um, So, um, So, um, I don't have a tree nursery open house. Um, in Greenfield. That is in four days. Um, with the goal of kind of like sharing best practices and sharing their experience in setting up a tree inventory. Um, and it struck me at the time that that would be perhaps a very useful thing for. One of us to. Um, I won't be able to attend that. Can anyone attend? I could probably attend that. I'd have to check my schedule. My phone's not in front of me, but yeah. Let me see if I can find the, if there's like a link or something. Um, Do we know, um, if the town is committed to giving. The committee land. Um, for the nursery. Or is this just in discussion? Like it's, it's, it's not in the, it's just a movement. Um, So, um, I think it's a real definite. I approached the superintendent. Um, About using that space. And he said he had nothing against us.  And we wouldn't have to move them. You know, So, advanced notice that the use of that has changed. Do you know Alan if there is any proposed use for slow buddy farm. None that I'm aware of. So that's station road. Should we plan that for the October of planting. Set up a nursery. It may. Just thinking. Maybe at the place they would eventually put a public works facility. No, no. Okay. I think it's. I think it's preserved farmland. I don't think you could do that. Oh, okay. Good. Actually part of the wall. Part of it's owned by the water. Water division. And part of it's owned by conservation land. The proposed area we're going to use is owned by the water. So I couldn't. Okay. That makes sense. That's good. Actually. Okay. So that'll be October, September. We'll figure out from one of the choices and that's good. Can you say just for note taking purposes. So October we're thinking about doing a tree. Nursery. Set up at what site. Yeah. Which what is the site. Station road. Station road. Okay. Slow body farm. S L O B O D Y. It's right over the bridge. Yeah. Got it. An old equestrian. Farm. So there's a big horse barn there and an old paddock that's falling apart. The nursery would be in the paddock. Which is partially fenced and will fence it more. Right.  They were able to set up a pretty simple irrigation system. And they did fence it. I think primarily to protect from deer. So it seemed pretty simple, you know, if the site needs to move at some point. If they're bagged, that shouldn't be a problem. The one thing they mentioned was. In the winter they push, I think they push all the trees together. And cover some of them, right? Alan, isn't that what they said? Yeah, they mulch them in. They mulch them in. Okay. Yeah, but they didn't have any significant loss. Over the winter. Yeah. But I'll look up, I know I took a picture of the flyer that they handed out. So let me see if I can find that and send it to. Send it to everybody. Yeah. I'm going to send it to Alan for the open house on the 15th. Great. All right. Town tree inventory were set. The town tree tour. Okay. If we're going to do that this fall, Alan, you and I should figure out something, but. So now let's table that for now. Have a library trees. We talked about Alan's going to. Send us the invitation to meet with the. The, the, the developing whatever that the design team of the library. State level initiatives. Talked about the municipal reforestation program. And I'm still in touch with. Mindy and I'll keep working on that. Significant tree ordinance. Anything new. No. And the solar bylaw group. Nothing new. Okay. So one thing that I wanted to mention also, and it's kind of goes in tandem with the tree nursery was this idea that came up at this tree city awards. Of a, a woodyard. So other did, I don't know, did you all talk about this? At all last month. I don't think I saw it in the minutes. But other. I think that was a good idea. I think that the grounds have set up. Woodyards again, taking the wood from public trees that are removed. And trying to create some kind of, you know, there are lots of options. You know, one connecting with public works projects that I mentioned. Two. Creating some kind of inventory or system where you're then actually selling some of this wood. And the other thing that I wanted to mention is how trees are cut down. So that the wood can be used for various purposes, potentially sold. And then that money can go into a fund for planting new trees. Or connecting some of the wood with local artists. And builders. And so I, I mean, I thought there were some amazing ideas. This was the same presentation that I was referencing earlier, but I thought it would be a good idea. I think it would be a good idea to bring in money. For future plantings to set up some kind of woodyard. And the last piece that I'll mention that I, that I also thought was interesting for us to think about. I think they called it a wood bank. And the idea is that. Low income folks and folks who don't have access to. A lot of people who don't have access to wood. They don't have access to wood. So that's why I think a lot of people that are. Can get access to wood. For fuel. And you know, in the town of Amherst, I don't know if that's something the town would be interested in promoting like lots of people burning wood for fuel, but there are wood banks in, I think, Athol was on the list. I was talking to somebody. From the DPW and Athol. Yeah. Who said they do that. And it's a very successful program actually. And the DPW gets rid of the wood currently. The town has a pretty large site. Off a pulpit hill road at a place called the Ruckston. And. Some of the debris and stuff get chipped up and composted. Some of the tree debris and that goes back into. Mulch that we put around the trees and put in. The parks and downtown and around buildings. But. Aside from that, there's not much of a way to get rid of those trees. And some of them are old and rotted away, but others would serve fine for firewood and others. I'd imagine local artists and other folks might want. Even for free, if not. To be sold. I think it's getting pretty full now at this point, but we don't have the time to have a lot of. Plans to do with it once it goes up. Yeah, exactly. So, so basically the, like the, the crux of this presentation was that something like 95% of all public trees that are removed, get chipped. And like, are there other. More useful ways that we could be. Putting this wood to use. And so the wood banks, right? Like even donating some of our wood to these wood banks and to, you know, alternatives to, to chipping essentially that. Put that wood to use is something that I, I would love to. For the committee to talk about at some point. Could the same thing apply to chipped wood? Like could we do a mulch wood chip mulch bank? Cause if we don't want to, if there's not a big need, or we don't want to encourage burning fuel, wood for fuel, we can't have a lot of. We can't have a lot of. You know, I think we can sell chips for mulching to private owners. The mulch for the town's work, but I don't know. There probably would be enough stuff back there. Have the town's mulch, the access mulch. And the. Wood bank and give away some of it to local artists. I would not surprise me if there's enough for all of that. I would like to give away some of the wood. I would like to give away some of the wood for burning. So if we're already chipping it and mulching it. And there's extra that could be burned. Then. Supposedly there's extra that could be chipped and mulched. And if there's, if the town's mulch needs are already being met, then they could be extra that could be sold or given to home owners. Yeah. Just an alternative to burning. If that's not a big. Need in, in the town of Amherst. So that's kind of what happens now is that we have. You know, we're out doing tree work. We have a truck full of wood chips. We have a list of places that want wood chips. People call up. We try to drop it off.  Area to dump the chips. We also dump chips at the transfer station. So people can take chips from there for free. If they have a pass to get into the transfer station. We sometimes, you know, in. When we're down at Rockston and we're moving things around with the front loaders. We will load a truck up and deliver wood chips to people who have requested it. Because we don't. You know, we don't always have a truck in the area. To drop wood chips off. So if we have a period of time where we can actually just deliver some chips, we do that as well. As far as the wood goes. You know, we sometimes leave it on the side of the road, disappears, which is good. We ask the homeowner if they want it. The adjacent property owner. The word generally goes to Rockston where. You know, it gets cut into random lengths. You know, you can have the proper equipment to load logs and sort logs and create a wood yard where we can actually say, you know, here's the nice wood. You know, here's the junk wood. Here's oak. Here's maple. You know. And. And sizes as well. Just gets put into a one ton dump truck and gets dumped. And then that's a random point in time. We do have from. A couple of businesses around who will. Have a log loader come by and pick up loads of wood to take for. Turning into bowls or. Your cutting boards and things like that.  There are some local artists who take wood. I try and I try to find places to take it. I try to find places to take it. As I've said in the past, you know, About 70 years ago, we spent $20,000 to process the last.  That same pile now is probably going to cost us closer to, you know, 25 $30,000 to process. So we are, there's a lot of incentive to find ways to reuse this word. So, you know, I don't know, I don't know if I'm applying for some grants. Couldn't get it. DEP, I think it is, has some. In their waste reduction grants. Sometimes you can. Get some funding to do that. So, you know, what we need in town is we need a, we need a log loader in a way to sort wood. Which we currently do not have. And I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to grant. Possibly a contractor on there could do. And then you also have somewhere like Wagner would, maybe they could use the one for their mold. Together. Operations. They will charge us. They don't take word for free. So they, you know, if we bring something there, we get recharged. You got it. Okay. Okay. So I'm just, you know, the person who gave this presentation, and I can't remember his name, but I wrote it down. He was a DCR guy. Like this is what he does. Maybe what makes sense is for me to reach out to him. He said. If your town or city is interested in this kind of thing, I will help connect you with resources and ideas. So maybe it makes sense for me to reach out to him and say, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. If a dog loader could go a long way. And a couple of other pieces of equipment. And like, here are some of the ideas here. Here's how things are currently operating. Like, what do you think and what are, what are your ideas? Maybe that's a good. First step, right? Because if this is something that, you know, would be helpful to you, Alan. That is, you know, costs the town money. You know, it's a really meaningful way. You know, it seems like it could be really. Something to, to devote some attention and energy to. Yeah, you know, I'm Sean. Sean is his name. This is the first name. My camera. Sean Mahoney. Sean Mahoney. Yeah. And yeah, he runs a good program. For DCR. And, you know, if you want to reach out to him and see if he's interested. That would be great. Yeah. Great question. Do most of the people who use the wood chips today, mostly use it for mulch or burning? What do they use it for generally? Mostly for gardening, mulching, best for gardening. Yeah, as a recipient of a lot of the wood chips. We, we use it around all our bushes and trees here. We have a big invasive sweep where we've got a grant from the USDA and we've been pulling out invasives and mulching around that to keep new stuff from coming in until we plant new things. So it gets used, gets used. And it's well appreciated right now and drops a load off. Nice. Okay. But this wouldn't like diverting some of this wood from mulching. Like there's so much wood, right? There's still plenty for mulch. Yeah. Yeah. We did talk about this a number of years ago. And we didn't really get anywhere with it, but it's great. If you have energy, Britt, to do this. And if we can get this guy to come. Invite him to one of our meetings. Yeah. Yeah. I was just really energized by his talk. I thought it was great. And, and I would be very happy to reach out to him and just start discussing ideas. Yeah. So, I think folks generally burn like. Cut up logs or do they generally burn the chips? Logs. Logs. Okay. So we might want to think about that because maybe it's less work from the town to chip it. Rather than just have the logs and do it like that. And most, most of the wood banks. That are out there are volunteer driven. And they have a log sprinter, and they have a log sprinter that's together. On a weekend or whatever, and they have a log sprinter, and someone's cutting wood and people are cutting, splitting it and people, other people are stacking it. And then. You know, there's a, some way to have people sign up and demonstrate the need. There's something. Yeah, go ahead. That's it. So, you know, it's a volunteer. I don't know. I don't know. Most of them. That's not employees. Splitting wood. Yeah. To. To give away. Yeah. I don't know, but maybe folks would be okay with getting. Like a whole log and splitting it themselves and using it. If we don't have the volunteer capacity. I mean, I don't know. I think that probably requires a lot of resources in and of itself, but still, they're probably our folks out there who would be willing to do that. Greenfield used to use their log loader. They could. People would buy a log loader full of wood and they would. Take a load and drop it off at somebody's house. That's, that's the ideal way to do it because then you don't have to. There's less handling of wood. Exactly. Yeah. Is that something that we could do as a work day and advertise for volunteers and get people to come and do a work day? I don't know. In the fall, maybe when it's not hot. To have people split wood organized stack, something like that. Or is it too big of a job? Like it would need a more sustained specific volunteer effort. I think it would be. Yeah. I think it would be better if it's cold. Generally it's better if it's cold. And yeah, you spend. Four, eight hours. Rotating through cutting, splitting. Everything is. Everyone sign a waiver. Yeah. I was going to say, my God, we were freaking out about just having a horse at the museum. That would be a good idea though. And I mean, like. That's probably the time when the most need exists as well. It's a great workout. Yeah. So let's. Let Britt talk to the sky and we'll keep it on the agenda. I'll put it as an agenda item. So we don't forget it in the future. Yeah. Okay. Unless anyone has anything urgent more to say about it. I have a question about something else, but I'll let you finish. Oh, okay. I'm just on the Greenfield tree committee website, which is very nice. They also have a walking tree tour online. Which is. Very nicely designed. I'm just curious, are they an independent. Committee from the town. Like, how do they have their own website that looks so lovely? And. So here's the interesting thing about the Greenfield tree committee. And Alan probably knows more about this than I do. It's a nonprofit. Okay. So they're, they're their own. Yeah. They have like members or something. And then they collaborate with the town. But it is a non, it is run as a nonprofit. Okay. Interesting. Thank you. All right. Anything else? We finished the agenda. No. Do we want to meet in August in the past? We haven't. We're meeting August 12th. That's the. Do we want to have our second Tuesday meeting in August? Didn't you do a picnic? We did a picnic last year, I think again. Yeah, last year, the before I remember, and yeah, we invited other committees, North Hampton committee came. Yeah. Do we want to do that again? Okay. Okay. I'll reach out to some other committees and then we need to figure out, you know, snacks and food and where. Do it across park again. Sure. Yeah. We need to reserve that Alan. I do that Kendrick Park. Rough parks nice because the kids can play, but also like Kendrick Park. They don't. No, that's. Pretty nice park with playground. Kendrick's nice. It's nice and shaded too. Central too. If people want to write downtown. Yeah. Yeah, I like that idea better. Do we need to reserve Kendrick or not? No. Yeah. Sorry, let's plan that. Someone want to take charge of coordinating. Food, you know, just do Paul luck. I think we did last time, but cups and plates and all that stuff. Anybody want to. Take charge of that part of things. I'll invite the other committees. I mean, I think everyone can just bring their own cups and plates and, you know, just buy some cups and plates and stuff at big one. Maybe a table for. Well, it'd be nice. I mean, it'd be nice to have something where we're not just throwing a bunch of stuff away at the end of the event. Yeah. Just a pet peeve of mine and public service. And, you know, if people bought their own reusable. Plates and silverware and stuff in a basket and. So you don't play that idea very much Alan. We can put up. Like I'll bring my reusable plates, silverware, all that type of stuff. And that way we don't have to throw anything away in the next morning. I won't have to deal with a heavy trash though. Yes. I found the link to the. Just as a side note. I found the link to the green field tree committee, the green field tree. So I found the blue field tree. The green field tree. There's a history tour and best practices thing. I'm going to share it. Quickly here. Okay. Sarah, how many hours did you work? To. Okay. So I shared that. Oh. It says event canceled. All right. Never mind. That's weird. Too bad. Yeah. I guess no one else cares about. Yeah, I'm sure if we reached out to them they would welcome members of the committee so maybe we do that at some point. Yeah, I have a field trip. All right, any last minute things, questions, complaints. Thank you, everyone. And we'll see you next month or sooner. We pass. I'll try to see you on Thursday. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, everyone. Thanks. Thank you.


Hi there, I'm Sandy Olnock, artist and paper crafter here on YouTube and today I'm gonna use my Copic Hex Chart to choose some colors to color the Sunflower Baby Stamp from Penny Black. And this is the stamp and it's got a big yellow sunflower. So of course I had to pick that one because I like yellow. So I'm gonna choose some colors from the Hex Chart, which is available on my website for just six bucks and it's a pretty good deal. You'll get, I'll talk more about it, but you'll get a blank chart you can fill in as well as a finished chart that you can print out and it won't be exactly the same kind of colors, but you'll at least have some sort of a notion of what colors are. So here I've got my red section. I'm gonna make her dress red and I'm gonna start with the R43 as my lightest color, but it's kind of too pinky for this. I want her dress to really feel like it's red, but I'll start with that anyway. I'm gonna get that one out along with say an R24 so that I have a real red red red and only that little bit of R43 will be the lightest. Jump over here and maybe an R29 would be nice in there to walk toward that R89 in that far left corner that you can hardly see there. The R89 is just a really, really rich dark red and I really love that color. For the yellow sunflower, I'm gonna start out with the Y06. I'm gonna move up to the Y17, which is the best marker color. Just gonna tell you that and then I'm gonna jump over a few. When I pick colors, I don't always stay right next to each other and the I'm gonna use either the Y04 or YR16 and then throw in that YR18 at the end and here with the G94 is the color that I sort of am thinking for a lot of the leaf. I want a lighter color, so I'm gonna jump over to the G82 and I'll see whether or not I need a dark green. For the skin tones, here is where I actually started with the hex chart when I was designing it because I wanted to see which colors were more pinky and peachy and E00 is great for a little kid's skin. I'm gonna use that RV10 for cheeks, but then I have to jump over a ways in order to get to a mid-tone and I'm gonna pick an E53 to go with that and I'm actually gonna go to a completely different part on the chart because normally I would say you would jump over there to the browns, but we're gonna go to purples. Yes, I know purples. If you haven't seen my videos before, that might freak you out. But it's okay because I'm gonna show you that it will work. So this is my skin tone for my base. I always start with coloring the base color first and then start adding my darkest color. Now, this is BV01. Most people would like the maybe the 00 or the 000 or quadruple 0. A little less scary. I don't mind scary. I'm very used to this and by the time we're done, you're gonna see that this is actually gonna fade into nothingness. It's gonna look really wissy by the time we're finished. So then we'll have to do some more work on it to pump the contrast back up. But I'm using this as my darkest color and not being afraid to put the color down there because when you put your mid-tone right over top of it, look what happens to it. It turns into a really beautiful skin tone and that's because it's a complementary color. Complementary colors make really wonderful shadows and you can use that in a lot of different color combinations.  And I'm not gonna color her legs and her other hand and everything quite yet because I want to color some of these other things because it's gonna point out to me where all those bits are. When you get into little tiny areas in that center of the image, sometimes it's just hard to see where one thing starts and the other stops.  So I'm just gonna color those in with my two greens and we'll decide later whether or not we need more contrast in there. Right now it's looking nice and contrasty. I'm gonna color the tip of that leaf so it looks like it's really curling back a little bit and leave that highlight facing forward. And now I'm gonna go in and do the feet, the little leg that's under here just using the same colors as I had before. Not much of that will show. And now that the skin tones are dry, I'm gonna throw a little bit of the RV10 overtop for her cheeks. And now we're on to her dress and I suddenly noticed her little back is sticking out right there as I had to go back and fix that. Had the skin tones in there and then started adding the pink to her whole dress. And pink would be a good color for her whole dress but I really wanted the strong contrast of a really rich red. So now I'm gonna take that R89 for lots of folks. It's too contrasty so don't worry if you're not up to that. It's pretty strong and you have to be bold. Just dive in and do it. If you're hearing my dogs in the background they are trying to make voiceovers a difficult thing. So I sent them outside so they would at least be crazy out there instead of here in the house. And so now I'm gonna step down to the R29 and smooth out some of the edges of where that R89 was. Join some of that leaving a little bit of the pink there as the highlights and adding a lot more richness to the dress. Just working my way around all those folds that are drawn into the stamp and then I'm gonna take my R24. Remember there's still one color lighter that pink and I'm gonna leave just a few tips just a few of the highlights on her dress in that pink color because otherwise the dress will start to look like it's pink with red shadows as opposed to looking like a real red dress. And as soon as I went over with a second coat of that pink it just brought it all together. So now let's look at this flower because with the light coming from that right hand side where I've got that really strong shadow from her hat onto her face I want to carry that same lighting across to the flower. And the things that are going to be lit from that direction are going to be the top of that flower at the very very top all those little petals up there. This far side on the left is going to be in some shadow and then as it curves around again and we get more toward this section some of the tips of those petals are going to be out in the sunshine too. So I'm filling that in with the Y17 because I have some some forgivability here before I start going into dark colors. So now I'm going to go for that YR18 which is my darkest so far may decide to add more in there. It really depends on whether or not you want a really dark brown in the shadows in that one. But you can see there's more shadow of that orange over on the left side than there is on the right side. That's going to give it that roundness and that depth. Add a few on some of those back petals and then I'm going to take my YR04 and on the hex chart you can see that the YR04 and the YR16 are pretty close to each other. That's what the colored chart is for really. And it's best if you look at it on your screen rather than printouts because printouts aren't going to give you accurate color. But it's going to show you what you'll be able to see is those colors look like they're the same. You don't need both markers and in a lot of cases that'll help with your purchases your purchase decisions on what kind of markers that you might want to buy. But as far as choosing colors though they're not it's not like choose things that are sequential to each other. It's choose things sometimes that are a few apart from each other. So now I'm going to look at the browns for her hat and stuff. So I'm going to take the E34, the E37 and then look over here how dark these are. There's R. It's E29, E49, E79. The 49 and 79 are really dark. So I'm going to go for the 49 here for my very darkest on this the inside of this flower. I want it to be really rich and E29 is one of the ones that I normally use for a dark brown. So I only pull out that E49 or E79 when I'm going for really, really rich. And I want this to be really strong. And my E37 I'm basically just covering up that lightest color that was under there. I want that really rich and strong. But I still have that underlying glow. So it still looks like it's got some roundness to it. I wanted her hair to be good and dark because her hat's also going to be the same browns. So I'm starting with the E34 adding the 37 and the 29 on top of it. So those will be all really nice dark colors. Now there are times when you might want to add a little more hair to it. I wanted to add a few more hairs hanging down from underneath her hat. And so I'm just going to use two of the browns with a very light touch to add a few more bits of hair. If you're trying to make this look like somebody you know, that might be a helpful thing to have. And now the E34 I want to try to keep her hat feeling like it's a little on the lighter side. But look as I'm doing this I suddenly realized I hadn't done the the color over top of that ear. So the ear started looking very purple all of a sudden. And went back and covered that up with the skin tone. And now I'm just going to add a couple of these browns. Underneath her hat is the darkest area and over on that left hand side. And then it's going to get lighter and lighter as it gets toward the sunshine over on the right hand side. So that E53 is the same tone that I used for the mid tone for her skin. But that also serves well as the base tone for the hat. And when it's in combination with all those other colors it changes it entirely. So it looks like a brown hat. I'm going to give her some dark brown shoes. So that'll give some real definition to her little feet and her little toes to have dark color all around them. And then the green I want to add another green. So I'm going to pick a BG99 for the dark green to really knock back some shadows here. And that's going to help me to create a real illusion of depth in the flower leaves. Because I can make this now so that those leaves look like they're curled, like there's certain parts that are sticking out into the sunshine. And watch this leaf in particular. There's just a little bit of a highlight on that one edge or down here on the stem. There's just the very tippy top that has a little of that. But the skin tone started looking weak now. Remember how strong it looked before? So I'm just going over it again with the purple. And you can decide whether or not the purple can stay at that point. But I decided to throw a little more of the E53 over it to warm up her skin and add some more richness to it. Because everything looks different when it's in comparison to something else. So you want to make sure that after you get done with something, don't just assume because you already colored the skin, that that's all done and you don't need to touch it anymore. Because it might help to go over it one more time and add a little more punch to it in order to finish off your image well. All ready? Let me break in here with a little notice about Hello Monday Live. I'm going to be joining Ellen Hudson on her Facebook page today at 10 a.m. and I'll do an alternate ethnicity coloring on this very stamp. So if you'd like to see this child turn into someone from somewhere else, please join me. There's going to be a link in the doobly-doo to her Facebook page. And it will eventually be a link to the permanent video. So you can watch it any time, but live at 10 a.m. Check out my blog for the hex chart. You can check out my art classes site for more Copic classes. Click on my face to subscribe to my channel to get more videos. And I will see you another time. You can go pin this over on Pinterest. From my blog, the link is in the doobly-doo down below. And I think that's about it. I'll talk to you guys later. Bye-bye.


which is on oriental glass beads in Europe, mainly in central Europe from 8800 to 1000. A very brief outline. This is a very, very short paper. Why is glass important in studying early medieval Europe? Some of this repeats things that the previous two papers covered. Broder economic trends and networks, 8800 to 1000, and oriental glass beads in Europe. As we have heard before, there are three main glass types or flux types used, natron, halophytic, plant-esh, and wood-esh glass. And all three can be linked to broader areas of origin, such as Egypt and the Levant for the natron glass, Mesopotamia very broadly for the halophytic plant-esh glass and Northwestern Europe for the wood-esh glass. And there is a limited number of primary production centers, which we can, the glass types, not the production centers at this point, identify chemically, and these primary productions were exported to a wide range of areas. So this offers excellent opportunities for studying long-distance trade.  There is a social dimension to that. These are usually found at very simple rural sites. So it's poor people's things, it's not luxury items. It is usually found in women's graves. And so there is a gender dimension to it and there is a dimension, especially in the speaking world of research traditions. Early medieval archeology in an English tradition or a UK tradition is much more focused on landscape archeology than on material culture. I have had some senior male colleagues telling me when I tell them that I'm planning to work on this, kind of, what should that be good for? Because they see this as jewelry for poor women in an early medieval context and many people at least don't get the point that you can trace long-distance trade and much broader issues with glass beads than the lives and jewelry of simple women from the early medieval period. What sparked my personal interest in glass beads many years ago, I saw a presentation on Ribe, I don't quite remember by whom this was, it was not certain, and I saw this picture and I thought, well, they have our glass beads. These are glass beads from lower Austria. And I thought there must be a connection. Most of the central European material, central Europe meaning in this case, Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia is not really present in the broader discussion of long-distance trade in early medieval Europe. And this is something I would like to change in the upcoming years. If we have a look at broader trends and networks and the geopolitical setting, here we have roughly the Carolingian Empire around 870. I apologize to all those gentlemen with a red-green color problem. Here we have the Byzantine Empire and the very strongly Byzantine-influenced Bulgarian Empire, and I work in that central area in between these two worlds. For Western Europe, as we have heard this before today, the main thing we know about trade and long-distance trade are Emporia. These are the first non-European, or this is the first non-European proto-urban or urban development in Northwestern Europe. And these are the first economic networks in the early Middle Ages in Northwestern Europe for bi-products, so low-value, high-volume products. And of course, it is slightly odd to speak about this in front of the author of the main book about Emporia, which basically laid the foundations for studying this sort of Northwestern European early trade science. This is all known to many of you, if not all of you. This is a very intense trade network functioning in bulk products, again, low-value, high-volume, such as the Maya-Lawakor instance. This is a map put together by Sirin a couple of years back, and it shows pretty well, maybe with the exception of Sweden and Norway, the limits and the area that this network covers. And we would have the same sort of trade network on the map if someone made the effort, which is a huge effort, to map pottery types, such as Badov Pottery, Mayan Pottery, or Pingstorf Pottery. So this is a very intense trade network in the North Sea world, but unfortunately, it doesn't really cover, if we go back to this map, it doesn't really go to the South. So it doesn't connect to things in Central Europe or further South. I will skip this slide. What we don't know a lot about, and this has come up today earlier, is the road of Byzantium in early medieval Western and Central Europe. This is basically a token image for Byzantium, a Byzantine let's see found in Hungary, dated to the eighties. The only problem is we have no, absolutely no one in this region in the eighties who could have received a letter with this let's see. And we very often talk about the relations between the Mediterranean and Northwestern Europe in the early medieval period. And if we go back to the map that I had here previously, it is, if you look at a map, very obvious that it is impossible to discuss this with our Central Europe in the picture. If you very simply have a look at geography, very often you consider Italy or you even consider these islands here and their own valley. Some people consider the rivers north of the Black Sea, but very often the Central European area is overlooked and not part of the conversation. And a very popular topic of recent years is slave trade, which does provide a connection between the Mediterranean and Northwestern Europe. Joachim Henning did this graph a couple of years back which looks wonderful. Many, many Roman iron shackles and a bit less, nothing really in the Merringian period, a bit more in the Carlingian world. But if you have a look at the scale on the left hand side, we are here with 30 pieces, which is not very much. And it's extremely difficult, as you will know, to show slave trade archeologically. And here we get to Piden. I don't really want to repeat his thesis. We have had this earlier today. He basically thought that there is a breakdown of connections between the Mediterranean and Northwestern Europe. And if we have a look at Milafiri glass beads or mosaic eye beads, we see that there is a connection between going from more or less the Northern Adriatic along the former Ember route, which connected the Adriatic with the Baltic. So along the Ember route up to the Danube and then along the Danube to the West in today's Germany or via today's Germany up to Scandinavia. This is a map done by Randhard André in the late 1960s as part of a PhD. I think it's not very widely used, at least in English speaking, research in German speaking research these widely used. And a new one to my knowledge has updated this ever since. He then went on to do something completely different, became a county archaeologist and never really worked on this again. And it would be high time to update this and produce a current map. Most of these that we see on here date from exactly that very late, very late eighth century and early ninth century. But it would be interesting to get a broader chronological analysis as to when these types of glass beads actually occur. Again, this is a map of the late 1960s. And André at that point thought of an Egyptian origin for these beads. Of course, entirely without archaeometric analysis, all he had was typological methods and the idea that because he thought it would be natron glass, which it isn't, he thought it would be natron glass and with natron coming from Egypt, he thought that would be the obvious place of origin. And the new one kind of came along in the 1970s and did a PhD on a broader range of glass beads and identified the ones that you can see in this picture at the lower end that these could be from the Islamic world reaching Northwestern Europe on two routes. It's a rather rough map. So this here is not very exact, but it gives you a basic idea of the two main routes, one via Central Europe, which goes more like this and one via the rivers north of the Black Sea and the Caracazes. And interestingly, the Eastern route includes the Ahems. The Western one via Central Europe doesn't. Why that is, I don't know, remains to be found out. And he, Kalma, thought that these beads would come from the nearest Middle East, but he also worked without any sort of chemical analysis. So this is all based on typological methods and we don't know an awful lot about bead production in the Middle East. So there is not much to compare with. And interestingly, it seems that Venice is not involved, although Venice does exist at this point already and is situated exactly there where this trade enters Central Europe, but there is not a large amount of finds from Venice excavations, which have been quite extensive by now. There is not a large amount of finds of these types of glass beads. And Kalma thought that the start of these routes, especially this Western route for the Oriental glass beads to come into Central Europe or Northwestern Europe, would be related to Charlemagne's contacts with the Arabic word, which does indeed go together with the chronology that we know at this point. There are scientific investigations of a handful of beads, especially these mosaic eye beads and they indeed show that they are halophytic plantage glass. And I'm happy to say that we now have, together with Andrew Shortland for the chemical part, we now have a new project to do chemical analysis and archeological analysis on Central European beads from Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic, and hopefully in the future also Slovakia and Germany to get a bit more data on this. There is virtually no chemical data. So there is chemical data from the Mediterranean. There is chemical data from Northwestern Europe, but there is not very much to link the two together. And this is what the project hopes to change. So if we get back to Piren and reconsidering his thesis, was or how was medieval Northwestern Europe connected to the Mediterranean from the 8th century onwards? I must admit that the period I lived at is from the 8th century onwards. So it is more the later periods than the 7th and early 8th centuries. And the bulk import of glass beads shows a very strong connection with low value items reaching simple village communities in large amounts. But this connection is not really visible if we don't consider Central Europe, which is indeed a legacy of 20th century history. And the broader question is if glass is a part of a larger exchange pattern, of course what we are interested in is not necessarily single glass beads or even hundreds of glass beads traveling from A to B, but how the entire system worked. And is it possible that this is just the archeologically most obvious part? And if this is just the tip of the iceberg, what else was improved in this system? And we very often ask what traveled there. We know there was slave trade, we don't quite know how it worked and how large scale it was, but we often ask what moved the other way. Say we have the slaves moving from the north to the south, but what moves from the south to the north. And at this point, it is pretty much only the glass beads that we can show archeologically that moved in the other direction. So this could be a very interesting kind of token objects to show what to get behind slave trade and get behind broader issues of early medieval economy with a type of object that is archeologically relatively good to recognize, to identify, and to analyze chemically and to provenance at least in broad terms. And with homogeneity, heterogeneity of the glass beads that we find in central Europe, in northwestern Europe, we have a chance to draw conclusions on agents and intensity of this sort of trade. And this is the broad topic. I hope to produce new results in this forthcoming project that is funded by the Liwa Human Trust. Thank you very much.


this is Andrew Trepol for a video and mic check. Thanks. Loud and clear. Thank you. Mike and Michelle, are we ready to go at four? Do you think? Yeah, staff is ready to go whenever you are. Okay. We are missing one commissioner, I believe. Yeah, commissioners can all turn on their cameras for us. Okay. So. Are you ready, Mr. Maloney? Yes, we are. Okay, thank you. Good afternoon. I'd like to call to order the August 12th, 2021 meeting of the Santa Rosa Planning Commission. Before we start, I'm going to like to read the following statements due to the provisions of the governor's executive orders and dash 25 dash 20 and and dash 29 dash 20, which has been certain requirements of the Brown Act. And the order of the health officer of the county of Sonoma to shelter in place to minimize the spread of COVID-19. The planning commissioners will be conducting today's meeting in a virtual setting using zoom webinar. Commissioners and staff are participating from remote locations and are practicing appropriate. Social distancing members of the public may view and listen to the meeting as noted on the city's website and as noted on the agenda. And the commissioners will be able to hear the commissioners of the public wishing to speak during item number four public comment or during our public hearing items will be able to do so by raising their hand. And we'll be given the ability to address the commission. Mr. Maloney, if you'd like to call roll. Thank you chair weeks, but the record reflect that all commissioners are present, except commissioner or crepe key. I'm sorry, commissioner Hulton. Thank you. And now we have a public comment session, which we have none item three approval of minutes, which we have no minutes today. So we're on to item number four, public comments. And I'd like to open the public comment period now for any item that's not included in this meeting's agenda. If you wish to make a comment via zoom. Please select the raise hands button. On the telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand each speaker will have three minutes. The countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and the viewers. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you're invited to do so. And your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown. Do we have any. Thank you chair weeks at this time no one is raising their hand, and we have one member from the public in attendance. Thank you. So with that, I will go ahead and close the public hearing and move on to item five. Item five is planning commissioners report and I'd like to read the statement of purpose for the planning commission. The planning commission is charged with carrying out the California planning and zoning laws in the city of Santa Rosa duties include implementing of plans ordinances and policies related to land use orders, assisting in writing and implementing the general plan and area plan, holding public meetings and acting on proposed changes to the zoning code zoning map general plan tentative subdivision maps and undertaking special planning studies as needed. 5.2 are any committee reports for subdivision or waterway. There are any. There will be a subdivision meeting next week, but there hasn't been one since the last meeting of the planning commission. So item 5.3 commissioner reports. Anybody have anything they'd like to report out on. I would like to mention that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. For this meeting in September, we will be changing our start time before 30 and thank you all for your input on that. And then members item six is department reports. Mr. Triple. Good afternoon, chair weeks and members of the commission. Thank you for your attendance and service today. I just noted the effective September one. All of our review authority meetings cultural heritage board design review board and planning commission will be aligned to 430 p.m. start times. We feel this will will be of great benefit to the public. I think it's a little bit confusing. I think we're seeing these varied start times in the past can get a bit confusing, but then it also allows us to provide better service to all of the boards because that it's more consistent for staff to service all the boards with that start time. The other important thing that will happen in September is we met with all three of the chairs chair weeks and then the chair Weigel and chair Neuser from the cultural heritage board to talk about it. We met with all three of the chairs chair weeks and then the chair Weigel and chair Neuser from the cultural heritage board to talk about the transition back to the chamber and this hybrid meeting format. So, of course, we met and then the COVID delta variant emerged and and so we're kind of reassessing, but at this point in time of the direction that we've been given is that all three of the primary planning division review planning commission design review board and cultural heritage board can go to a hybrid public meeting format. During the chairs meeting it was felt that September would be a good opportunity for commission and board members to start to gain experience with that board for with that hybrid format, as well as for staff to return to the chamber and support that as well. So, we'll have further instruction, but you can anticipate that for the September planning commission meetings that we will have a hybrid format where staff and members of the commission who would wish to be in person in the chamber would participate in the public would still participate via zoom until the the orders are lifted. So, that would be effective then for the September 9 meeting, which we will hold and the September 26 meeting as well. So, any any questions on that we'll have more information forthcoming. The next thing is we with the September 9 meeting, we will be looking forward to welcoming back former commissioner Cisco. She will we are onboarding her presently and she will be taking her oath and will be then a commissioner effective at the September 9 meeting so we'll look forward to her return to the board or to the commission rather. And with that chair we don't have any other department notes to provide so we'll we'll end this department report. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. triple item seven is statement of abstentions. Is there any abstentions today. Okay, seeing none we'll move on to consent items of which we have none and then on to item number nine, which is a scheduled item public hearing. So, this is item 0.1. It's a erudite dispensary cannabis retail secret exempt project conditional use permit 3059 coffee lane. So, you P 19 dash 5, 6, it is an exparte item. So, we'll start with commissioner Carter.  Commissioner Duggan. I also visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. Thank you commissioner crepti. I have nothing to disclose. Thank you. Vice chair Peterson. I also visited the site and nothing further to disclose. Thank you. And I visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. Now, with this item, we did get late late correspondence from staff that indicates there's a request for a continuance on this item. So, right now, I'd like to turn it over to. Tanner Susie Murray. Hello, everybody. Good afternoon, chair weeks and members of the commission. Yes, I am requesting actually the applicant is requesting a continuance. The purpose for the continuance is to bolster the traffic study. And if we would like to come back to you on September 9th, if that's agreeable. Thank you, Ms Murray. So with that, we do need a motion. And so for continuance is there someone who's willing to make a motion to continue with this item to September 9th. So moved. Thank you. Is there a second. No second. Thank you. That was moved by Commissioner Krepke seconded by Vice chair. Peterson. So, Mr. Maloney, will you take roll please. Yes, one moment. Commissioner Carter. I commissioner Dougan. Hi. Commissioner Holden is absent Commissioner Krepke. Hi. Vice chair Peterson. Hi. And chair weeks. Hi. So that move. So that passes with five eyes. One absence and one soon to be filled vacancy. So then we'll move on to item 9.2. This is also a public hearing. Valero gas station is a sequence that project conditional use permit for 501 highway 12. And it is also an exparte item. So commissioner Carter, do you have anything to disclose? I visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. Thank you. Mr. Dougan. I also visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. Thank you. Commissioner Krepke. I visited the site and have nothing else to disclose. Thank you. Vice chair Peterson. I also visited the site and have no. Additional information to disclose. Thank you. And I also visited the site and have no further information. To disclose. So with that, we have. Misha Kali. If you would like to lead us off. Sure. Thank you. Okay. Let me first share my screen. Okay. So thank you chair weeks and members of the planning commission. The project before you today is a conditional use permit. For Valera gas station located at. 4501 highway 12. The applicant is proposing to sell beer and wine for offside consumption from the existing Valera gas station. This picture shows the existing gas station. And the project is located in the northeast quadrant on the corner of mission war and highway 12. The site is zone neighborhood commercial consistent with the journal planned land use designation. And the surrounding area land uses are a mix of residential offices and commercial uses. And here is the site plan for the existing gas station, which has been in operation since late 1990. And this slide shows the existing floor plan for the existing gas station. And here is the site plan for the existing gas station, which has been in operation since late 1990. This slide shows the existing floor plan for the store. The walking closet. Let me click here. Okay. The walking cooler is on the opposite wall from the entrance. And this is the building here in the blue rectangular and the coolers are equipped with blocks to secure the merchandise during periods when alcohol says are not allowed. Also, the entire gas station is equipped with security cameras and center was a crime density map. So the center also police department operates nine patrol beats. This is located in beat for as shown in this map and in this beat crime rate has been significantly lower. Also, the police department has provided a list of areas and citations that occurred between July 6, 2018, and July 7, 2021, within 1000 foot radius from the project site. On July 28 were alcohol related arrest arrest or citation meeting that two years period. And additionally, the site is not located in close approximately to any school or religious facility. Since the notice of pending application was sent staff has received three emails and comments very regarding concentration of facilities selling alcoholic beverages for offsite consumption, and the sale of alcoholic beverages from a gas station. So to respond to this comments based on the data available. The department of alcoholic beverage control would issue up to 10 licenses for off sale alcohol in this area, and only three have been issued for this area. So this will be the fourth one. And our concentration is not associated with an objective measure and therefore cannot be specifically analyzed. However, ABC criteria for license issuance provides a tool for evaluating potential for over concentration. This upon ABC criteria approval of the proposed use would not result in an over concentration. And the proposed project has been reviewed in compliance with the California environmental quality act. And it qualifies for class one categorical exemption under sequel guidelines section 15301 in that the project is located within an existing structure involving a negligible expansion of an existing use that will not result in significant impacts. And with that, the planning and economic development department recommends that the planning commission by resolution approve a conditional use permit to allow sale of beer and wine for offsite consumption for the property located at 4501 highway 12. And this is my contact information for anyone who wants to contact me. I know the applicant doesn't have any presentation, but they are available to answer if you have any questions. And that was my presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any questions of staff at this time before we open the public hearing. Okay, seeing none. We'll go ahead and open the public hearing. We're opening the public hearing on this item. And if you wish to make a comment via zoom, please select the raised hand button. If you're a dialing and via telephone please file star nine to raise your hand each speaker has three minutes countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and the viewers. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so and your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown. Mr. host, do we have any. We have three weeks at this time. No one is raising their hand and we have one member of the public on the phone called in. Okay, so is that member of the public for this item. We can't tell which item there is only one member of the public in the lobby. So seeing no hands raised. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing on this item and bring it back to the commission. Do you have any questions of staff or vice chair Peterson. I have a question for staff and when appropriate applicant as well. I think staff is pretty straightforward. I mean, are these the standard hours for this type of license, you can sell alcohol all day except for four hours between 2am and 6am. I believe that time period is being recreated by ABC, not by the planning like maybe ABC didn't tell anything about the hours and those are the hours that they can sell alcohol. And vice chair Peters or commissioner dug in and then we'll go back to vice chair Peterson for questions of the applicants. Sorry. Also for Mr. Kelly. You noted that the cooler is going to have locks on the door so people can't take beer and wine out of the cooler. What about are they going to have any stored like cases of beer and boxes on the floor inside the store outside of the cooler. I think red wine that's typically not cooled in the cooler is that going to be inside the store. Based on the information that applicant provided they will be storing inside of the walking cooler and the email I received from the ABC ABC with a site was it and site was it and they said they meet with all the requirements for alcohol and like a saving or storing alcohol on site. Thank you. Any other questions for me, she, calling. Okay, then. I'm sorry, chair, we did have just an additional response. Okay. Miss you calling that is regulated by the ABC and also is found in the business and professions code for the allowable hours for sale of alcohol. Thank you very much. Vice chair Peterson, you had a question of the applicant. kind of a general question. The staff report mentioned that this is looking at being maybe one or two percent of your sales. You've operated for 31 years without doing this. Why the change? I'm just letting chair weeks and commissioners know that the applicant is not on the call right now. Oh, like they were previously, they may have been dropped. So I don't know if that's something that planner Chicago is able to answer, but the applicant is no longer on the call. I can't answer that. I believe they are the new owner who took over this gas station in 2014 or maybe 16 and they decided to add that sale at this time. So I believe in 2014 they took over this one, but I don't know the reason why they want to add it right now after six years. That's fine. Not not determinative. Thank you. Any other comments, questions? OK, so if somebody would like to enter this resolution, don't all speak at once. Mr. Duggan, thank you. Thank you. I'll move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of Santa Rosa, making findings and determinations and approving a conditional use permit to allow the existing Valero gas station located at 4501 Highway 12, APN 182-490-016 to sell beer and wine for offsite consumption. File number CUP 21-007 and wait for the reading. Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Thank you. So that was moved by Commissioner Duggan and seconded by Commissioner Acrepti. So we'll start with comments with Commissioner Carter. Well, this all looks pretty straightforward to me. It appears that the application meets the requirements of the ABC and I can make the findings that are necessary for approving the use permit resolution. So I'll be supporting the project. Thank you, Commissioner Duggan. I too can make all the findings, so I'll be supporting the resolution. Thank you, Commissioner Acrepti. I can make all the required findings and we'll be in favor of the application. Thanks, and Vice Chair Peterson. Well, if my comments didn't give a little bit away, what a contrast with the CUP's we see for cannabis facilities. You know, with those, we're getting traffic studies and odor mitigation plans, security plans. It's got limited hours of operation. And, you know, in this case, we've got, we want to sell alcohol and we can do it until two in the morning and starting at six a.m. And I just, I have to say, I agree with the public comments. I don't see that the point of this, you know, there's already plenty of places selling alcohol in the area. They've been operating for 31 years without it. So at least there's no business case I see. And I think that granting the permit would be a nuisance or could be injurious or detrimental to the public interest health safety, convenience or welfare. And I don't see what possible good thing could happen from selling someone beer at 1.30 in the morning or six in the morning and then them getting in their car and driving off. So I do not I'm not able to make that finding. Thank you. I will be supporting this project. And I want to thank planet Chicago for sending us that detailed information regarding the use and use and necessity. That's not the right term, but that I think you know what I mean. So anyway, with that, we'll go ahead and Mr. Maloney, if you could call the role, please. Thank you. Chair Weeks, Commissioner Carter. I Commissioner Duggan. I Commissioner Holton is absent. Commissioner O'Cripkey. I Vice Chair Peterson. No. And chair weeks. I so that passes with four eyes and one no. Vice Chair Peterson voting no and one absence that being Commissioner Holton. So that we'll move on then to the next item, which is item 9.3. It's a public hearing on that and it's an update on the density bonus. And Mr. Gus Gustafson is going to be our presenter on this. Thank you. And I'm kidding. Thank you. I'm going to turn on my video so you can see me. Here I am. Thank you so much. Good afternoon. My name is Andy Gustafson. I'm presenting to you an update to the density bonus ordinance. We're recommending approval and advance it. This ordinance update will implement state law and will adjust the supplemental density bonus program that's a part of our local ordinance and different in added to the state law. The new state law came into effect in January 2021. It rolled up a number of legislative initiatives that have occurred over the last couple of years. And what it did was to lower the affordable set aside requirement needed to qualify for state density bonus. It increased the maximum of the state's density bonus from 35 to 50 percent. And also it added a new provision that 100 percent affordable housing project can now allow 20 percent moderate income rental units that did not was not allowed previously. It also changed a little bit how waivers or incentives are administered. Now it limits the maximum number to four. And previously it was not limited beyond four. The city can elect to allow more waivers. And then it made clarification of unobstructed access to a transit facility that helped to resolve some uncertain language. And then it also further reduced or continued the trend of limiting the amount of parking that is required of projects in which local agencies such as Santa Rosa can impose projects within a half mile of a transit facility. The key changes that have been triggered by state law causes us also to modify our supplemental density bonus. Some members of the commission may not have been here when the city adopted its current density bonus program. When it did so, it implemented the state law and effect at that time, but also went further and allowed for a supplemental density that allowed projects that qualify that were located within the downtown downtown station area plan area and a north Santa Rosa station plan area to get additional density beyond what the state would allow. In order to achieve that density, projects had to provide additional affordability or additional community benefits. But what it did was was to allow density to pick up where the state's density left off. Now with the increase going from 35 to 50% the point at which our supplemental density program begins has been adjusted as is illustrated by this chart. We have three tiers of supplemental density and previously you could get up to a 60%, 80% or 100% increase. We're maintaining that maximum. But the amount of supplemental density for each of those tiers have been adjusted to 10%, 30% and 50%. Also with the density bonus ordinance, we did a little bit of cleanup to make the many tables into one consolidated table makes it a bit easier to read and administer. So that's really the main changes to the density bonus ordinance that is proposed for this amendment. The density bonus ordinance was adopted in January 2019, the one that we're amending today. And at that time, when we added the supplemental density, we conducted environmental review and we prepared and the city council certified a negative declaration. That negative declaration continues to be valid. There have been no fundamental changes to the project environment or circumstance, nor has this project altered any effect of the previously evaluated ordinance, namely the 100% maximum density that can be achieved with the project exercising the supplemental density has not been altered. We have not increased the total density that may be permitted in the city. Therefore, a subsequent environmental review is not required. So I'm available for any questions, details. The recommendation is that by resolution, the planning commission, that resolution, the planning commission recommend the city council introduce an ordinance to amend the city zoning code chapter 2031, density bonus and other developer incentives to be consistent with state government code section 65915, density bonuses and other incentives. And thank you. That concludes my presentation. Thank you, Mr. Gustafson. Is there any questions of him? My fellow commissioners strolling through to see if I see anybody with questions. Okay, so then we'll go ahead and open the public hearing on this item. If the host could stop sharing the screen, it would be helpful. Thank you. Thank you. I'll do that as soon as I control my screen. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Okay, so I am going to am opening the public hearing on this item. If you wish to make a comment via zoom, please select the raise hand button. If you're dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand. Each speaker has three minutes. The countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and viewers. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you're invited to do so. And your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown time. Mr. Maloney, do we have anybody? We do not. We have one caller and no other members of the public and the caller is not raising their hand. Thank you. So with that, I will go ahead and close the public hearing on this item and bring it back to the commission and ask again if anybody has any questions on this item. Okay, then is somebody willing to go ahead and enter the resolution? Yeah, I'll go ahead and move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of Santa Rosa, recommending that the city council adopt an ordinance to amend city zoning code chapter 20-31. Density bonus and other developer incentives to be consistent with state government code section 65915. Density bonuses and other incentives file member REC 21-003 and wait for the reading of the text. Thank you very much. Is there a second? Commissioner Carter, seconds. So then we'll bring it to the commission for comments. So we'll go ahead and start with you, Commissioner Carter. Well, it appears that the ordinance as proposed brings us in line with the state without hampering any of our abilities to award density bonuses, especially for lower income projects. So I'll be able to make all of the necessary findings and support the staff's recommendation. Thank you, Commissioner Duggan. Yeah, thank you. Thanks, staff, for the clear description of the changes and walking us through state changes. And it was very easy to follow. And I can make all the required findings. Thank you. Commissioner Krapke? Yeah, I agree with my fellow commissioners. I don't have anything really else to add. So I'll just say that I can make the required findings and we'll be supporting the recommendation. Thank you, Vice Chair Peterson. Yes, not much to add. I hope that this does, you know, further the goal of getting more affordable housing built. Brings us in line, obviously, with the state requirements. And I can make all the required findings. Thank you. And I also can make all the required findings and appreciate the, I'm not going to say simple because it's not simple, but the clear, concise presentation from Mr. Gustafson. And I do have one question I should have asked before. And that is, do you have any idea when this will go to the city council? It will be approximately eight weeks from now, given the timelines. All right. Thank you. So with that, it was moved by Commissioner Krapke, seconded by Commissioner Carter. Mr. Maloney, if you'd like to call roll. Thank you, Chair Weeks. Commissioner Carter? Aye. Commissioner Devin? Aye. Commissioner Holton is absent. Commissioner Krapke? Aye. Vice Chair Peterson? Aye. Chair Weeks? Aye. So that passes with five ayes. Commissioner Holton being absent in one vacancy. And that concludes that item. And unless Mr. Triple has anything for us, that we'll conclude our meeting today. Chair Weeks, for the record, can you repeat who the motion in second was on that? Yes, it is. It was moved by Commissioner Krapke and seconded by Commissioner Carter. Thank you. And staff has no further business for the commission. Thank you, Chair Weeks, and thank you for your time today, Commissioner Nurse. Great. So the meeting is adjourned to our next schedule. No, the meeting is adjourned to our next scheduled meeting of the Planning Commission, which I believe will be September. No, correct. Thank you all. Thank you. Good evening.