A pony, two Kingsbury and one Giants hat. I mean, no one's gonna say Giants unless they're from the Bay Area. Well, one person said identical hat to Sarah Solidarity. That was that. Oh, okay. Well, that's nice.  So it's not like, you know, this is some like very special day. Sammy, can you not? Oh, and Zoe voted for the group leader hat. Sorry, I missed that. Tell me more about the group leader hat, Tom. Oh, and there's four votes for the group leader hat. It looks like group leader hat won. It's time to do the show. Ooh. Remind me, yeah, to tell you after the show. Are you guys ready? Yes. I was born ready. Well, I should have realized that, yeah. Already. All right, here. Sarah, could you read line three, please? I could. Okay. We're going to go in 10 seconds. So get ready for that. I was born ready. Of course, of course you were. It was Rick Ross. All right, here we go. In nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two. Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News Show directly. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash supports. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, October 9th, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Scooter Lane. And from Finland, I'm Patrick Beja. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Patrick said like you really tried to think of something and then you got to do it. Patrick said like you really tried to think of something and then just. I tried, but failed. It's too, it's too many Google announcements. We got our heads are filled with Google announcements. Amazing. And any of us are still awake after all of that. So much Google announcement. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Well, it isn't Google news, but Apple may announce new 2018 iPad Pro models, new iMacs, new Macs rather, and possibly who even knows more. This month, we haven't heard if this is happening, but it is expected. Sources tell 9 to 5 Mac that the new iPads will have a USB-C port to output 4K HDR video to external displays. Ooh, USB-C, very enticing. Well, Microsoft has paused the rollout of Windows 10 October 2018 full update after widespread reports of people losing files. Microsoft has promised to help people recover the deleted files, tweeting that people should call the Microsoft support line at 1-800-MICROSOFT. I do not want to be a customer support agent right now. Well, and a long time friend of the show was emailing a complaint to me that they weren't picking up when he called that number. So, I don't know. Instagram says two factor authentication from apps like Authy or Google Authenticator is now live for all users. So you should turn that on. Previously, Instagram only offered the somewhat less secure text-based second factor. So they did have 2FA, but now they have a more secure version of 2FA. All right, let's talk a little bit more about the Sony PS5. Yeah, or PS something. We don't know, it's gonna be five because Sony president Kenichiro Yoshida said that the company is working on a new PlayStation. Yoshida told the Financial Times, at this point, what I can say it's necessary to have a next-generation hardware. He did not call it PlayStation 5. And that's all he said, right? I mean, he said other things in the interview, but as far as this, he just said it's necessary to have next-generation hardware. And this has set the internet ablaze with speculation about what the PlayStation 5 would be, including the Financial Times article saying it probably won't be that much different than the PlayStation 4 just updated specs. Well, and the idea of the PlayStation 4 and then the next iteration being the PlayStation 5, nobody cares about that. The naming convention is not the issue. It's more of, if he refuses to call it a PlayStation 5, it's like, okay, is this a different kind of console? Are there bells and whistles yet to be announced that would keep him from calling it something like that where they would want it to name it something else? Or is this just us reading the tea leaves way too much? Yeah, I think it's that, right? He didn't refuse to call it the PlayStation 5, he didn't pin him up again. Oh, are they ready? What's the name? I won't say, you can't beat it out of me. No, I think the more interesting part of this is we all knew there was gonna be another generation of console, but the acceleration in video game streaming does put that in question a little bit. I mean, we've seen the test with the Google Project Stream starting with Assassin's Creed Odyssey working really well. There have been other, I mean, Microsoft just announced the XCloud, basically putting an Xbox in the cloud. And people have been saying, and by people, I mean, Yves Guillemot, the CEO of Ubisoft, said there will be another generation of consoles, but after that, it's probably gonna be all streaming. And it seemed a little bit more crazy at the time than it does now because everyone's announcing streaming services. So in that context, it's still kind of a signal that the current behemoth in the industry, Sony with the PlayStation 4 is saying, we still need a next generation hardware. We suspected it, but it's nice to hear. And it's probably gonna be called PlayStation 5. Google announced plans to shut down the consumer version of Google Plus after a previously undisclosed security flaw was reported by the Wall Street Journal. Google's project strobe discovered in March that a flaw in Google Plus's API that dated back to 2015 could allow a developer to see profile data that was marked private. That's things like names, email addresses, birthdays, gender, profile photos, places that that person has lived, occupation, relationship status, up to almost 500,000 Google Plus users. So that's a lot of information. So all of them. Never more back then. Google didn't have any evidence that anybody knew of the flaw or had exploited it. So says the company, although Google did say it destroys most Google Plus logs after two weeks in order to protect privacy. The company also says it chose not to go public with the information because it didn't meet the thresholds of being able to accurately identify affected users or show evidence of misuse or recommend actions that developers or users could take. Now, Bloomberg reports that Johannes Casper, who's a data protection commissioner in Hamburg, Germany, says that his agency has started investigating the matter and Ireland's privacy authority says it will as well. I don't want to give Google an excuse here, but I will say there is quite a bit of a difference between this and a breach. This has been called a breach and I don't think that's an accurate representation of it. As far as we know, it's not a breach. It's not that someone accessed Google's information. What it is is an internal probe, which you should do, found a vulnerability, which is the point of having internal probes and then fixed it and decided, well, since we don't think anyone took anything because we're not sure we can actually identify the right people, it's just an estimate, it would maybe do more harm than good to tell people than not. Now, granted, it's easier to make that decision when you're also thinking, also Facebook's getting so much heat right now, why don't we just not make a big deal about this? Which is why you have laws like the GDPR, which would have required Google to reveal this had it happened after that law went into effect. I'm not even sure it would have. My understanding is that GDPR has this requirement if data is compromised. In this case, if they have a strong belief that data wasn't compromised, I don't know that that's the case here. Maybe they wouldn't have had to disclose it. Well, and I know Patrick, you made a joke earlier about no one uses Google Plus, but the usage has shrunk so much over time to the point where I no longer really pay attention to it. I know it was a social network and I know that there were some holdouts who said, this is actually a really good tool and it works for me and I don't care if the masses are here or not. I'd love to know more from some of those folks who might have still been using the Google Plus consumer version. Google also maintaining that the reason they're shutting down Google Plus is people aren't using it, that the sessions are seconds long when an active user actually does use it. It's not showing engagement. And these 496,000 users, we made a joke earlier, they weren't active users.  Yeah, I haven't used mine in five years. And so I think it's easy to overreact to this story. Google said, oh, we found a flaw in the API that could have allowed someone to access profile information even if it was marked private. Well, first of all, if you didn't mark any of this stuff private then it wouldn't have been a problem for you. That's part of having difficulty identifying whether a person had been affected by it or not. And if you did have it marked private, it doesn't mean somebody accessed it. It also isn't the more sensitive kinds of data. It is sensitive data to a point but it's not credit card data, it's not social security number, stuff like that. So it's the middle ground. Again, not trying to let Google off the hook here, but you have to temper your reaction. This is not a breach in my estimation and it's not a severe breach or a severe compromise even. Security expert, Yossi Appelbaum, co-chief executive officer for US telecompany, CPO Systems has provided documents, analysis and other evidence to the Bloomberg Business Week investigation showing that super micro motherboards found in an unnamed US telecoms data center had modified Ethernet connectors that enabled backdoor access. This is a different hardware hack than the hidden processor alleged to have been added to super micro motherboards in Bloomberg's report last week. These Ethernet modified motherboards were supposedly altered at a factory in Guangzhou, China. Appelbaum previously worked in the technology unit of the Israeli Army Intelligence Corps and he said he has seen similar manipulations of different vendors computer hardware made by contractors in China and not just super micro. However, he's got an NDA with the telecom in question so he can't say who it is. Super micro still denies any knowledge of this new allegation. Their quote is, we still have no knowledge of any unauthorized components. Meanwhile, security researcher, Joe Fitzpatrick, who is one of the named sources, one of the very few named sources in Bloomberg Business Week's original story from last week about the hardware hack told the podcast, Risky Business. He felt uneasy about Bloomberg's story. Once he saw it, Fitzpatrick says, the story fits close to a theoretical scenario he described to Bloomberg's Jordan Robertson. Essentially Fitzpatrick's like, Robertson asked me how this could work. I told him a scenario like, well, it could go something like this. And then that seems to be what he reported in the Bloomberg story. Now, Robertson and him were in communication. Robertson says, no, this is just, I've got this on the record from other sources. It's just the way it worked out. Fitzpatrick also is suspicious because he notes there are easier ways to obtain backdoor access than the one described by Fitzpatrick, or by Robertson in the Bloomberg Business Week story. So the doubt continues while Robertson and Bloomberg Business Week continued to bring forth more solid evidence. So on the one hand, they've got a person willing to go on the record saying, I've seen the hardware hack, which they didn't have in the original story. And yet one of their sources that sort of provided technical expertise saying, yeah, it doesn't seem likely to me. This story continues to remain difficult to guess. It's sort of, it's sort of a season of a television show, honestly, because it's so convoluted. It's going to take a while to for us to figure out what's actually going on. It's also important for me to know it, for something that sticks out to me is super micro saying this didn't happen is different than super micro, or any company that could be in question here saying we didn't know this was happening because of third party vendors that, we thought were doing the right thing and weren't. Now, a company can say lots of things, but whether the allegation is you did this or you didn't know this was happening, that will play differently for the companies that have possibly been accessed this way. Well, but super micro and Apple and Amazon have all been very clear. Their language is not nearly as parsable as it was last week when we only had single sentence statements from them. They're all saying we never had an investigation. We've never identified hardware problems and Bloomberg Business Week said we did, we refute that. So it really is, there's not a lot of wiggle room. Yeah, I think one way to square this circle or maybe one way to look at it, but do you remember when Prism was first brought to light? Yeah, sure. The telecom companies were saying, no, there is no direct access to our networks by the intelligence agencies. We do not provide anything like that, they don't have access. The intelligence agencies, it turned out, were placing boxes just outside of the offices physically where the cables were coming in. So technically they did have direct access to all of that data that was coming in, but it wasn't thanks to the corporation. This is not a similar, this is not a similar. No, no, it's not. What I'm trying to say is there might be a situation where Bloomberg is looking at it one way and the companies are looking at it another way and saying, no, this is not what's happening. And Bloomberg is saying, well, we have this information and the reality might be actually true for both. Right, it's not about lying or obfuscating, which they probably were in the Prism case. It may be that they really don't think anything was going on, but something was and they weren't aware of it. That's something Zach Whitaker from TechCrunch has proposed is that there may be people who found these were ordered not to tell even their bosses or their executives. And so the executives are all saying, we're not aware of an investigation, we're not aware of a hardware hack and they're right. And the people who did find it are few sworn to secrecy and not allowed to talk about it, hence the division. It really is the only way to square the circle, but it's also incredibly difficult to believe that it can be contained that way. I find that one hard to swallow, but would be the only way to explain Bloomberg Business Week and the companies both being honest and true. And just to finish up very quickly, it might be that the reporting that Bloomberg is doing is based on an incomplete picture. And so they're coming to some conclusions that aren't accurate. And so for example, maybe it's not that tiny chip on that place on the thing, just like Yossi Appelbaum is saying, well, we have a thing with the Ethernet port being modified, that's not a tiny chip on the motherboard. It's maybe something a little bit different. So maybe there's something to that effect as well. So hopefully in the next few days and weeks, we will have more information about all of this. Well, something that hasn't been hacked yet that we know of, a Facebook announced two models of a smart display called a portal. The display is powered by Amazon voice services, although users will say, hey, portal to activate it. So it's a little bit different. It can play music from Spotify and Pandora. It can play videos from Facebook Watch. And it can also make voice and video calls over Facebook Messenger. Now, it doesn't use facial recognition, but it can zoom in on people during video calls with software that it runs locally. Doesn't save data, Messenger calls are encrypted as they would be usually with any of the Messenger apps, although not end-to-end encryption, if that matters to you. The price is $199 for a 10-inch 720p screen. And the portal plus costs $349 with a 15.6-inch swiveling 1080p screen and upgraded audio as well. Both are available for order now, shipping in November. My immediate reaction, my gut reaction to this is this is DOA unless they add WhatsApp. Add WhatsApp. DO, motherfriking, hey, Tom. Yeah, I mean, Facebook Watch, it's like we've been talking for six months and like, what's on it? You know, and it's got some views, but nobody's gonna buy a device that's a little bit more expensive than the one we're gonna talk about in a few seconds. That is more locked down. And it's big deal is when you get Facebook Watch and Facebook Messenger, like, eh, okay, a lot of people are using Messenger. I'll give you that, but more people are using WhatsApp. That would make this take off. That would be compelling to where people would say, well, maybe I will get it because then I can call grandma on WhatsApp because that's how we chat all the time already. Sure. How important is this market that Facebook is doing this, limited as it is, and kind of pricey as it is, and telling people, we know you don't trust us at all already, but let us put a camera in your home that will be watching you all the time. It has a flap, it has a physical flap that you can come in. Right. So make sure you watch it. Sure, does the microphone have that? I mean, I don't think people in general want to, yeah, with the button, you can trust it. You know, this is, you know, this sort of screams to me as, you know, this is hardware announcements that were supposed to be announced at F8 and got shelved and there's a team that's been working long and hard on something that might actually be a really great product and they're just gonna keep going with it. I use Facebook Messenger for video calls a fair amount, particularly with anybody who doesn't have an iPhone, right? Because otherwise, you know, we do it that way. But so this isn't, it's not that I find this unusable, but it's like, yeah, for the price and the very limited features, I can't imagine wanting to buy it. I just can't. Well, let's compare it in a second. Folks, don't forget, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day, you would have known about this yesterday. If you were subscribed to Daily Tech Headlines, you get all the headlines in about five minutes at DailyTechHeadlines.com. Of course, the headlines went into the DTS feed, so you probably knew about it already. All right, as it is made by Google Event in New York City, I'm sorry, at It's Made by Google Event in New York City, Tuesday, Google announced three products. The Google Home Hub is the first one we're gonna talk about. It's a smart display with Google Assistant that doesn't even have a camera in order to satisfy privacy concerns.  Comes with six months of YouTube Premium, a downtime mode that stops any interaction, but alarms, some parental controls, and a dashboard to control your smart home devices, which will also go into the Google Home app on your phone, available for pre-order for $149 ship in October 22nd. What do y'all think? I am not a believer in connected the speakers? Or speakers, okay. You aren't? No, I'm not. I have two and I never use them. I have a Google Home and an Echo. And I just don't have a use for them. I don't know, I must be strange. But even me, I can think of some users if that thing has a screen. So, and the price is right? I mean, it's relatively cheap. Well, and because there's no camera, right? And I love how Google's like, listen, we value your privacy. So for this price, no camera. Yeah. No, it's a smart move. It's a super smart move. Yeah. It is. I also feel like, okay, six months of YouTube premium. Okay, they're just trying to get people to use YouTube premium, but sure. I mean, that will be attractive to certain people. The parental settings, I'm not a parent. Patrick, I don't know. Maybe you can weigh in on that. I doesn't hurt. And... Well, actually I can weigh in on that right now. A lot of people have been telling me that children are very prone to using those things, especially young children, because they don't need to read or type. They just speak. It's very natural. So kids are very much into this. So I think parental settings are very important to have, actually. Well, and also don't forget, Google is actively trying to stop Amazon from using YouTube in the Amazon Echo Show. So of course, highlighting YouTube is a competitive advantage they have. And I really liked the live albums feature where you can actually tell it, find pictures of me, Sarah, Patrick, and Roger, and then it will create an album that will show a little photo slideshow. And this is something that Google Photos can do, but it's nicely displayed in the Google Home Hub and easy to set up. I'd use that on the Echo Show. I have pictures of my dogs show up in a slideshow. I would like to have this functionality there. Okay, so I don't have an Echo Show. So as somebody who does, would this be something that looks good enough to you, Tom, that you would replace? Because I can't imagine that you would have both. No, I don't think I would replace it. It's not good enough to replace. But if I were starting out from scratch, yeah, maybe. It's about picking the ecosystem at that point because you're deciding to go down a path. Once you've gone down one of these paths, it's kind of hard to change. I have a Google Home Mini and I have a hard time finding use for it because I'm already so far down the path with the Echoes for other things. I'd have to buy a bunch more Google stuff and change lanes. I'm not saying one's better than the other. I just got farther down with one than the other. All right, we've got a couple more products we've got to get to. Google also announced the Pixel Slate tablet. Back to tablets, it's been three years. This tablet of course runs Chrome OS though, not Android. Has a nice looking LCD display. Comes with the Titan M security chip. It's kind of like their version of the secure enclave. It'll do automatic security updates and antivirus. Four to 16 gigabytes of RAM, 3000 by 2000 display. Single USB-C ports on the left and right side. So you get two of them and a Pogo pin connection. It's not wireless like the Pixel C was. You can buy separately a backlit Slate keyboard.  The Slate models start at $599. That's for the four gigabytes of RAM and 32 gigabytes. It comes with three free months of YouTube TV and your max spec is 16 gigabytes of RAM, 256 gigabytes at $1599. Keyboard sells separately for 199 bucks and the Pixel Books pen works with this as well. If you don't remember, that's 99 bucks. Pixel Slate available later this year. I'm not into it, so I'll let other people talk. Well, why aren't you? Because I'm not either. Yeah, it seems expensive for a Chrome OS. I know they run Android apps, but seems expensive for a Chrome OS. Versus an iPad? Yeah, it's cheaper than an iPad. Yeah, not by much. But then it goes back to that ecosystem thing, right? It's like, well, but if I get an iPad, then I'm gonna get all my messages and you know, it's, you know, it's the things. That's the Android iOS ecosystem, right? And there are way more people in the Android ecosystem than the iOS one. Absolutely.  Well, it's more than Apple gives you. Apple gives you nothing for your $800 tablet. Well, there is no like Apple TV equivalent of YouTube TV yet. And you know, who knows? Maybe they will. We all know they won't. How much is an iPad? It's much cheaper than 800. You just said 800. The Slate model started at 600. I was not trying to give an accurate figure. I just know it's more. Oh, it's 300 bucks. The latest iPad is 300 bucks. For the same size screen and same specs? Well, the 10... There's no way that's correct. And how many USB-C ports do you get? Well, yeah. I mean, it's a different device. I'm just saying $600 for a tablet is not that much different than an iPad. And it's, this is like halfway between an iPad and a Surface. I mean, the Pixel book has been quite successful. Some people like it. I personally not into it. And I think this kind of is going to be the same thing for people. Some people will like it very much, more power to them. But the Pixel book also felt like an expensive piece of hardware for a Chrome OS device. It doesn't mean that some people didn't like it. All right, we got to get to the phones too. We almost knew everything about these already, but 5.5-inch Pixel 3 and 6.3-inch Pixel 3 XL. Matte finish class back comes in three colors, black, white, and cleverly, not pink. Camera features, improved low light shooting, wide-angle selfies. Google Lens can work without a data connection for some features. Google also added a call screening feature, and this is cool. It will answer the phone for you, ask why the person is calling while displaying a transcript on the screen. This is my dream. So good, right? This is not every dream. But when you get that call, you're like, I don't know who this number is. You let this thing do it, and then you watch the conversation, and it's very obvious if it's a spam call or somebody you actually want to talk to, in which case you can pick up at any point. Google Duplex, which seems like it might be powering this, also going to be available to call restaurants and make reservations within a month. The Pixel can show alarm functions, photos, and answer questions like whether when wireless charging on a cheese stand. And in fact, Google's making their own Pixel stand available for 79 bucks. Pixel 3 is available for pre-order now, starting at $799 from Verizon on October 18th, and unlocked on Project FI, arrives in 12 other markets on November 1st. So I think you kind of mentioned very quickly the most important features, which are, well actually maybe you didn't mention them, the photo, the camera improvements, or rather the photo improvements. The AI camera improvements particularly. It's not so much that the specs of the camera have improved, but they've changed the software quite a bit. Exactly, that's why I'm saying the photos. There are a number of tricks that seem really useful. Actually, even on the hardware side, the front-facing one, there are two cameras, one large selfie camera that has a wide angle. It seems like a dumb thing, but I think a lot of people are going to get a lot of views out of them.  So there are a number, the top shot, the super res zoom, we're not going to go over all of them, but between those, the super clever use of that transcribing of the call thing, it feels like Google has finally put enough Google in the phone to make it to phones what Gmail was to email. You know, it was this super clever use of what they knew how to do, that actually brings a lot of value to the users. I really like those portions of the presentation. Like you said, I mean, to me, yeah, top shot is pretty cool because it helps pick the right photo. Even if you create a blurry one, it'll be like, yeah, but you got it right just right before because it's always caching.  Me too. All phones should have this always and forever. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit.  You are also on facebook.com slash group slash dailytechnewshow and we thank you for it. All right. If you want to book a flight using Instagram, you might say, well, that's impossible. It's not. EasyJet might just have the answer and Chris Christensen will explain. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another Tech in Travel Minute. EasyJet has announced an interesting new app that will let you take a picture you see on Instagram and copy it and paste it into their app and then book a flight there. Now, the idea is cool. I don't know how successful it's really going to be because studies have shown, and I'm thinking of studies coming out of Expedia that the average US, UK and Canadian traveler makes something like 140 different web session visits before finishing booking a trip. So I don't know how often you're going to see something on Instagram and immediately book a trip. It's not quite the same as buying shoes or a purse, but an interesting idea and we'll see how it works. I'm Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. Thank you, Chris Christensen. And thank you to Patrick Beja as well for being with us this fine Tuesday, Patrick. Where can people keep up with the rest of your work? The easiest ways to follow me on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram, you can find me at NotPatrick. And if you enjoy video games, you might like Pixels, which is a show I do about video games. The latest one, in the latest one, we're going to Destiny 2 and how much I've fallen back in love into it. That's if you really like video games.  Yeah, go check out the feed for that. And you can find it in your local store look for monthly video game briefing. Patrick, the cheapest 12.9 inch iPad Pro is $799. Yeah, the 12 point fine. I was talking about the regular one. The latest 12.3 inches. So sure, yeah, we'll carry this on in the after show. Hey, thanks to everybody who supports us on Patreon, where you get to hear the after show in the good day internet feed as well as other cool perks. Come join the fun at patreon.com slash DTNS. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We love your feedback. Keep it coming. We're also live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 UTC. If you can join us live, happy to have you. Find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live. Tomorrow's guest is Scott Johnson. We'll talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Well, I hope you have enjoyed this program. Oh, that was a good show. It was a good show. That was fun. It's tough. Sam, Sam even made an appearance. Oh, hi, Sam. Hey, Sam. Hey, he says, Hey, guys. Hey, hey, so before I leave, I wasn't trying to poo poo the Google Slate thing. Just saying it's not my thing. But I mean, I said the same thing. I didn't think you were being egregious about it. No, it was more fun to poke you. Don't. For the record, I won't win really bad. I actually think that and I do think the Slate looks really cool. Having been a Pixel C user using a Pixel Book, I feel like this is the best of both of those worlds. And I can absolutely see that if you're not a user of either one, that you're like, I don't know. I think one thing that gets lost by iOS users is that the Chrome OS Android integration is so good now that it's almost as if you're not using Android apps. It's just apps, you know, and it's got all the apps you would normally have. So, you know, even though it's the Android version of Excel, it's still a pretty functional version of Excel and it goes full screen, you know, sometimes it falls short. I'm not saying it doesn't, but it's really good. Does it display in a like, does it take advantage of the real estate of the tablet or the screen? No, it does. Yeah, that's interesting. OK. Yes, it's it's it's a cool thing. I'm just saying. So there's no drawback to using Chrome OS as a tablet OS. It's just not really. No, it's certainly much better than Android as a tablet OS. The drawbacks are still the same. Like, every once in a while, you had an Android app and this was true for a of iOS for a while, too, that just doesn't work on the tablet like it runs. But you're like, this isn't really fitting correctly. That happens sometimes. But but most of the apps that I use don't have that problem. So it's not like you won't run into it, though. Well, consider me educated and tired enough that I'm going to go to sleep. I'm just going to take off my hat. Oh, your hat was the best. You win the hat. I was a hat. Yeah. You thought that was for you. No, no, it's a joke. Oh, well, I love all of you. And we love you too, Patrick. We wish it was whether you're Patrick or not. Well, I think the daylight savings are coming pretty soon, so it won't be as I know they're coming to an end. Pretty soon, right? OK, I mean, and our time is starting pretty soon. OK, well, my right, right. Well, that is going to start pretty soon. And we're usually we have like a couple of weeks of lag between our two countries. So for a couple of weeks, it is actually earlier for me to be on the show. So party time. Yeah. Right. We'll be dancing and. Right. Not going to sleep afterwards, perhaps. Can't wait for the dancing. That's going to be awesome. Yeah, I'll probably go to sleep anyway. Right. Because you know, it's like getting an extra hour of sleep. It's like that sounds great. I sense I sense Roger Chang, producer of the show, biting his biting his time and waiting for me to leave so that he can talk about titles. So you want me to leave in order for us to do that? Well, I mean, he was I was just waiting for an opportunity where I think Patrick was trying to transition himself out of the conversation. You can stay for that. Don't feel like you have to stay. Bye, Scooter. Bye, next week. Good night. Night. Clean pixel slate. Google pluses and minuses. Google minus Google plus is pretty, pretty elegant. I like that one. Well, you do that one. The very top. Oh, well, I totally missed it. Yeah, no, we could totally do that. Yeah, let's do that one then. Cool.  Boom. Boom. I've seen that in in person, actually. It worked out very nicely. Turn on studio. It also turns off my monitor now as well. Magic. So, yeah, I do use my echo, although that that was really meant for Patrick, who said I never use it. I use it for a lot. That was, yeah, you know, and I wasn't trying to put it in the spot, but I was like, why, why? It's so great. I use the echo show to tell me weird news bits and to play some music. I thought I would use it for recipes and they made a big deal about recipes in the in the Google Home Home Hub. I don't like using it for recipes because the recipes I want to use never show up there. Like it's one thing to say, oh, it has recipes, but it's like, OK, but I mean, this recipe there and it's it doesn't work like that.  No, we don't have it. So, yeah, I feel like that needs some work because I absolutely would use it for recipes in that case. And I use my I use it to turn lights on and off. Like when I take the dogs out at night now, I say turn on the outside lights and turns it on. I take the dogs out and then come back and I turn it off. That's great. Yeah. Mostly for turning lights on and off and playing music, to be honest, but. We don't really ask it trivia questions like all the commercials do. No, no, that's I've never done that. And in fact, I will say that, you know, and I'm going through a sonorous one, but there are questions that I ask that I feel like are.  And she'll say, I don't know. Yeah. You know, I know where I'm like, that just seems like. You should know that. You should know that. Yeah. And I'm not trying to trick her. I'm really just, you know, trying to ask something very specific. Like, what's the the temperature in Croatia? It is right. Yeah. Although that's a horrible example. She probably wouldn't know that. In fact, she would know that. But but what's the temperature in Croatia? Which city in Croatia? Which city in Croatia? See, she's like, but that's not follow up questions are OK. That's an understanding I need to know more because I'm acting like a human. Dubrovnik. Oh, I lost it. I waited. Oh, yeah. Oh, well. But I just, yeah, there are times where she's like, sorry, I don't know that one. And I'm like, yes, you do. Why? How do I ask this? This is why I don't ever use Siri. Every time I've ever asked Siri something, she gives me a web search. I'm like, well, I could have done that. Well, they all kind of share that issue. Although the Google Assistant, I actually think is the best one. Yeah. So, you know, knowing that it's a wonder why I don't just have, you know, the Google Smart Speaker ecosystem in my house because I actually like it the best even on even on my iPhone. I mean, that's the way that I do all voice activated searches. No kidding. Oh, yeah. Yes. Siri's garbage. I mean, so you launch the app and then ask it because that's what. I love what I'm going to ask that way.  It's not that hard. Right. I don't have it on my home screen. I guess that's why. Yeah. All the difference. You can do it in the Google app, too. It wouldn't have to be Chrome. I think it works either way. Yeah, totally. I just I'm in Chrome. Well, that's that's my that's my mobile. I wish I could Chrome my default browser on iOS, but because I can't then I end up. Yeah. Yeah. We were talking about that last week, which is a good point. I don't know.  That never happens.  Well, it's it's more like system system stuff. Yeah. And and apps that aren't made by Google will always launch Safari. No, I know. But but what are you using that is doing that to you that is annoying enough that maybe Chrome isn't your kind of browser of choice? I don't know. I guess it's been several years. I tried putting Chrome as the browser down there, and I kept running into apps launching Safari. And I was like, you know what? Now my bookmarks are bifurcated all over the place. Oh, yeah. Well, you might just be doing more bookmarky stuff on on your phone than me. I don't know. Well. It's a crazy world out there. You wanted to know the story of this hat. Yeah, I do. I do. So for our wedding in 2003. Because it was a baseball themed wedding. Was it that long ago? Yeah. We had a hold the phone. It was a baseball themed wedding. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We had. I didn't know this. Each table was a team. OK. All of Eileen's family said at the Dodger table, because they were all from LA. All of our local friends said at the Giants table, because we were in San Francisco. We also had some friends at the A's table, because, you know, there are a lot of people. And wait, no, no, no. No, our table was the A's table, because we were seasoned ticket holders to the A's. OK. And you got Cardinals people, obviously. We had my family was the Cardinals table. Yeah. I think we also had a St. Louis Brown's table for my family. We had some friends from New York said at the Met's table, and they were all Yankees fans. And we're like, look what we did. We had some friends at the Red Sox table who were. They were thrilled, I'm sure. Anyway, so that was, you know, those each table had a had a had a lineup card with the team logo and the names of all the people who were sitting at that table. And they got baseball cards and stuff like that. So that's. So OK, when you said baseball themed wedding, I was like, I feel like I've seen photos of you in your wedding and you were not like wearing baseball uniforms. It was it was it was a light theme. Yes, it was a light game. And our engagement photos were taken at Packbell Park. Oh, that's so cute. Yeah, I love you guys. That's adorable. So like Friday was the bachelor and bachelor at parties. Thursday was when family was starting to come into town. So we did a block of tickets to the Giants game because the Giants, I think, were playing the Rockies. And so we all sat in a couple rows to the Giants game. And because I bought a block of tickets, they gave me this hat that said I was the group leader. Oh, oh, so it's like it's like a hat that I don't know. I mean, I've never seen that hat before. Is it a hard hat to get? Is it a special hat? I mean, if you buy a block of tickets, they give it to the person who bought the block. So it's not hard, not hard to get. Well, no, I just didn't know if it was like because it was, you know, your wedding or it was just because we bought like 20 tickets all in a block. And I think it was meant to help identify whoever was the leader of the group could wear this hat. And then they'd be like, oh, yeah, it's easy to see where you are. And you and your 20 people got it. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's really cool. And my wife didn't hate that or didn't have her Giants hate nearly as profound back then.  No, Yomi Yuri Giants totally fine. No issues with with Japan. That's great. Back. Maybe I committed some sort of. No, no, no, no, totally different. Totally different. Well, and also back then she was like, we got our pictures taken at Packville Park. We did the block of seats at the Giants game. Like she didn't have any objections to any of that at the time. Or if she did, she didn't. She she held her tongue. But as we became more and more A's fans over the year, it started to manifest more. And then when we moved to LA, it was I know, I know. Well, it's fine. I mean, I think you got to know her before knowing that. It's all I have to say. I mean, I believe that Eileen has this inside of her, but I only hear about it. Eileen is wonderful, gracious to show it to you. She knows better. You know, I'm like, I don't know. Maybe it's just you, Tom. She's just really clever. She is exactly the way she wants it. That's that's true. All you watch. Yeah. No, she's always only been really nice. Tom's like. There are pictures of her current pictures of her wearing in Dodger's head. So wearing a Dodger's hat is not grounds for, you know, unfriending. You know, I'll just say, OK, well, you know, we can't sit next to each other at the game. Oh, I've I've gone to Cardinals Dodgers games with her. She wore a Dodgers hat and I wore a Cardinals hat. We had people taking pictures of us. Now, that's love. Yeah, probably the captions. That's I don't know. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. I feel like it's it annoys me more when people switch teams willy-nilly. Right. If you didn't come from a baseball city or whatever and you don't really care, then OK, fine. You know what? You know, it's kind of slightly annoying is when we continue this conversation. It's not a good piece. Not a good piece. You know, it's kind of annoying you and Tom talking. What Roger is trying to say is it's time to end the video, but the conversation will continue on audio. So I'll work on my way. Sorry.


What up everybody we are back Yes, we are This way my to my right What's happening so we're back again we did this last month and we said you know what we should probably just do a thing Monthly just to come up with some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, for those of you who do not know if you're watching on but whatever my channel happens to be whatever This is Lauren Rosen. She is at the obsessive mind on Instagram. You should go check her out Yeah, thanks for coming by as always so he's fun to talk to you today We're gonna talk about Yeah, our topic today is but I don't want to do my exposures, but I but I want to do my compulsions Yeah, yeah, which of course we do like not want to do exposures and or not and want to do compulsions however There's another side to things that that in recovery we've got to explore, right? I bring it. What do you got? Well, I think that Stopping at I don't want to do my exposures or I want to do my compulsions negates about half of an individual it's it it's true and There's also the part of you that does want to do your exposures and the part of you that doesn't want to do compulsions that shows up for Therapy or support groups or even on the Instagram or whatever just just trying to get support and to to recover and so People are so identified with this part of them that doesn't want to do exposures that it does want to do compulsions and I think Sometimes people who advocate for recovery can be sort of in this almost adversarial position of like advocating for recovery and then it takes away from the person's actual desire to want to change So I think it's important that we recognize that it's Both right like it's I want to do it and I I want to do the compulsion and I also don't want to do the compulsion And it's totally normal that I have the urge and that I want to and at the same time I don't have to and it probably would be better served by not doing it I like it That's a trying to serve two masters thing like I want to get better, but I also want to be comfortable right now So tough tough call. I can't really serve both of those masters all the time. No, unfortunately not I like your the statement you just made like people who advocate for recovery So I just want to make sure I'm understanding like you you are I people like you are I We have to be careful about Pressing people into a corner where they feel like no, no, you have to do it this way Like you're not where we're not validating that other half of them that says but I but I'm afraid but I don't want to do this Right that point. That's absolutely it and in addition to that it's even by saying you should do your exposure work or Sort of being too much of a cheerleader At some stages it can take away the agency from the other person. It's sort of putting like creating this This back and forth. Yeah Where one person is advocating and the other person is sort of like pushing back and saying well But I don't want to like I see this if I can clarify a little bit When people are out on their own throughout the week.  Yeah, and What whether or not you do compulsions? It's not a moral question. So You know, it's not like you shouldn't do compulsions You'd probably be better served by not doing compulsions given where they lead you But it's not about me. It's about you. What do you want? Like don't externalize the part of you that wants to change and put it on me as much as of course like of course I want people to get better Well, they would assuming that they're they're engaging because they want to so I get that but yeah Yeah, but does that make sense that if we actually makes really good sense I see two things there number one is the you know, you don't back a wounded animal into a corner Which I can completely get that in my worst days I knew what I had to do but somebody who told me to do it and do it that would not go well at all like There's discomfort there's fear there's anger and then that that becomes a resistance like no stop telling me to do that And then the other thing is interesting because I actually made a post about this the other day So it's so fascinating that you brought that up I wasn't expecting to talk about this and basically what I said was you should expect your report your support Your support system if you will including I guess your therapist or your counselor counts your online groups Whoever the people you follow Instagram to cheer for you and tell you that you can recover Do not expect us to tell you that you should Because everybody is free to make whatever choice they want all the time and that choice should be expected So I should be respected. I'm sorry not expected But and I think that speaks to that a little bit like I can't I'm not going to tell you to do these things I'm just going to tell you that you can Then from there and you know from one day to the next it might change one day You might be really going ho to do your exposures or not do your compulsions and the next day It flips and you just feel incapable. I get that. Yes Yeah, but having I love that that having the support system say that you can and recognize your capacity without ever saying what you should be doing or Or telling you what to do I believe in my heart that that is an individual everybody has a honestly I feel like everybody has a right to not recover if they choose that that's okay Absolutely, I would stand behind somebody who chooses that. Yeah Yeah But to your point knowing the implications because I think a lot of people Want to have both and I understand I've been there too Yes, I get that It and it speaks a little bit too. Oops. Sorry. I'm getting notifications. Um, it speaks a little bit too There are times when I In on my platform in my community where I have found myself in a position where somebody is asking They're arguing that they they don't want to do the or they shouldn't or they can't do these things And I have to step back sometimes and say wait a minute here I'm not here to argue to to convince you to recover I will cheer for you if you decide you want to do that So do you find you know and especially in in a therapeutic relationship with the client Do you ever find yourself in that position or wait a minute? I'm not here to tell you what to do. I forgot Yes. Well, yeah, because we do want people to get better. I think especially if you have personal lived experience whether you're uh, a therapist or not that They're Get into that position of advocating for change and then realizing. Oh, whoa. This is not This needs to be yours Yeah, and if it's not if you're not taking the reins here The the change won't be sustainable because you're not doing it for the Right reasons I suppose That leads us down to that whole like everybody needs it's so funny because I always say everybody needs sometimes to lick their wounds sometimes like that's okay You know, I kind of I wrote about that too where like hey, look when you're having a bad day It's okay to have a bad day put some time aside where you can hate the world and be angry and resentful and disappointed and sad And crying curse and hit a pillow whatever That's okay to do that and on those days you may be more in that mindset where you're like, you know what? I'm just gonna do these compulsions today because like just I just need to today Yeah, okay. Yeah, see me again tomorrow then it wasn't tomorrow's a new day. You never know, right? Absolutely, but I think I really love what we're talking about of handing it off as like this is not This is not about you being good or bad. It's not about the right or the wrong thing to do. It's There everything has a Everything has causes and conditions, right? And so the the If you take an action, there will be some sort of a secondary effect if you want that secondary effect then Then do that if you don't then probably do something else. Yeah, which is very sad Yeah, but if I think especially with the the sort of over overzealous advocating And I've certainly done plenty of that myself in my day that Unfortunately, it's sort of like telling somebody to to go put on a coat when it's cold outside, right? The initial response is I don't want to put on a coat. Don't tell me what to do, right? Even if it's even if it's With the best of intentions and having that sense of autonomy in it and independence and like no I'm doing this because I don't want to be under the sway of my anxiety at this point That That's I don't know That's the only way I think ultimately no, it's good. I'm good thing you weren't my mother because I never wanted to put on my coat Don't tell me to put on the coat. It's such a so funny that you put that I know it's freezing it. I would intentionally be like freezing just to yeah. I'm not putting on the coat Forget you.  Yeah, that could be a personality trait thing too So for some people, I don't do well being told to do I freely admit that call it a flaw if you will so somebody who's Overzealously advocating for me to do the right thing could that could backfire a little bit? But what about on the other side because that's interesting too? I don't just agree I think some people are more inclined to push back and not want to be told what to do But then there are that I do that but I know that Which I totally and I get it I do I think I think to some extent we all do it and I don't think it's an unhealthy thing I think it's just a reflection of a desire to be autonomous But on the other side of things there are people who want to be told what to do right they want to be led through it piece by piece and That's that's equally a problem because if you're doing your exposures because it's right or you should I don't know. I think oftentimes it's it's done It can be done with the intent of trying to eradicate the disorder like and and not with the intent of Like I'm doing this because I want something different Like I want a different experience. Yeah, this is such a good conversation. It's very nuanced, isn't it? Like it is I feel like I feel my my will is turning as I'm talking. Yeah Yeah, it really is and I think this speaks a little bit to you're right Some people well, some people just need the encouragement a little more. Well, I'll call it encouragement You know, they need a little more whatever handhold and coaching whatever you want to call it This is where the limitations of social media to me come into play and you have to realize like I I don't know you, you know, if you're watching this video I I don't know you there's like 10 of you maybe that I really know that might be watching this But otherwise, I don't know you so I don't know if you're somebody who just maybe lacks some confidence and needs more cajoling or Cheerleading or if you're somebody who's a little bit more. Don't tell me what you have. We have no idea Right. Yeah, and this is where it becomes really important to understand the difference between accessing psycho education and encouragement on on instagram or youtube and actually having a therapeutic relationship with a clinician right different it is because because of that nuance and Yeah, and and knowing What the person Needs and the thing is it's all down to the person ultimately even if you are in a therapeutic relationship the the hope is that you are going to gain awareness about Oh, I need more. I need more encouragement today or I need more um I need some tough love and even to ask for it when you can I think Ultimately, you're going to have the best awareness of yourself. Yeah. Yeah Let's look for a second about one one thing that I found interesting too is and I have to go back to this statement My community often I have to literally say like in my facebook group You by definition, you cannot disappoint me or this group Because some people will like oh, I feel like I let you down what you can't let me down I don't know you and and I have no What's the word I'm looking for here um skin in the game Yes, that's exactly right. Thank you. I really don't have any skin I want to encourage you and I want to see you get better. I want I want you to get what you want But you cannot disappoint me or you can't disappoint lauren by maybe doing your compulsions that day even though she said on instagram You shouldn't right and that's I think what I was trying to get at maybe somewhat clumsily with the the question of somebody doing Like doing exposure work or not doing compulsions because they're being told to and they're trying to do it Right that that you're you're now in this paradigm where you're you're still trying to To to get the gold star or which I think It it ultimately can backfire because when you don't do it now, it's oh, they're upset with me or I'm bad as opposed to just Oh, no, you're just you're you're doing your thing and and this happened and it's okay and And Nobody's upset with you. Nobody's gonna think poorly of you. It's it's down to whether or not It's serving you and that's again at that point picking it up and saying, okay. Well, it's not serving me. That's where the the Vivacity of recovery comes from The vivacity recovery. That's our next book people look for it Good Yeah, that's that's really good at look getting looking for the gold star I think is a lot of people do fall into that trap like I want I need validation or at least one confirmation that I'm always doing it Right, but I'm sure I tell people like hey look maybe today wasn't the best day Maybe you fell back into some old habits. We all do it. It happens to everybody What can you learn today? And then what can you take into tomorrow? What lesson from today? Can you take every day counts even when it's not maybe the best air quotes best day, right? In fact, we learn so much from those days that are probably not what we would consider to be the best days That sometimes those are the most important days. Yeah, and they're sometimes the most distasteful lessons I know for me one of the lessons I learned from my I don't want to do it days was that I was using I was Somebody posted about this this morning, too, which was really good and it's so funny You ever open instagram and see your own words and it's oh So it was it was really a little weird at 6 a.m. But uh I found that I was using rest as a reward and like oh well I did this really hard thing so I can you know, I'll just chill out for days And that so those bad days and those days where I was resistant taught me that but that was a really distasteful lesson For me to have to learn about me So yeah a real negative feedback loop there like I'm having a bad day and that's showing me lessons that I wish Have to learn right. Yeah. Oh, I don't yeah yeah, and I think I just sort of spinning off of of the lesson itself It's interesting because the the reward is Trinsic to the doing of the hard things. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't think everyone realizes that coming in to this process because Yeah, it's like no that the end game is what we're looking for and I think actually that the amount of Self-esteem self-worth right of the the sense of efficacy That you get from doing the hard things But it's so empowering and I think that that is in and of itself a reward that people oftentimes overlook I would agree and I would think that every exposure every experience stands on its own to a certain extent too There's a lesson and they all serve a purpose whether they're good bad Otherwise you were perfect. You weren't you made mistakes, whatever There's every one of them stands on its own as its own experience that matters They're additive. Yes, but if you're only going to look down the road and only keep your eyes on the on the prize You're going to miss some of that and I think that adds to resistance too This individual thing felt crappy and it's I don't want to do it But no, but that value doing it had the value the value. Yes Yeah The value is in the doing it the value is in the experience that you had recognizing that you could do it the Value is also in one of the things that I know from my own recovery And I've seen it so often and the people that I work with is recognizing that there's actually a lot of peace in dropping In particular mental compulsions That there's actually like moment in the moment peace and saying I am going to accept uncertainty It's very uncomfortable still so it's both there is also relief of I don't have to figure that out anymore. I don't have to do it. I'm free of it in this moment Now it may in a couple other moments come back and I may be you know back in the the the swing of things, but So there is a lot that I think comes that comes from all of those experiences the good days the bad days and and each of the The momentary stuff that we're talking about Yeah Yeah, this is a great conversation. We could do this for the next hour. I'm sure but I believe we probably could Wrap it up within about 20 minutes or so. So This is what's the takeaway here Let's let's wrap this up. I don't want to do my exposures. I've been I wanted you my compulsions today What would you tell would you tell somebody? I think I would tell them to consider Why they don't Want to do their compulsions or why they do want to do their exposures to both hold the fact that they they do want to compose so they don't want to do exposures and Acknowledge that and even validate that of course. You don't want to do them today and also We're going to do them anyway because I want this I want a sense of empowerment.  I want momentary peace and not being in the rat race of trying to figure all of this out um And I also want long term to be in a place where my My thoughts don't have such a hold on me and my feelings don't get to dictate what I do So that's I don't know. What what about you? What would you say? That's a good question. I think I would tell people that it isn't always either or That's crazy that look this might be dangerous ground to going because I'm not trying to I I'm the last person to get people in out But There are days when you feel like it depends on why you don't want to do it If you're just exhausted that day because this is hard work and like I just need a break I get that and taking a break because you're just done.  Maybe you could do an exposure standpoint I always tell people what if you did something really tiny instead of just laying in bed all day Go and sit in your garden for 10 minutes and then go to bed if you want to At least you did something so you don't look back and say well the day was a total loss Yeah, so it's not always black or white doesn't have to be either That's so true and I love your point about about the just I know we're wrapping up but the the the element of It depends on where you're at There's no one-size-fits-all answer to this and it's not like you should always or you would even be best served to always do Your exposures and and there are days when the the best answer for you is going to be to take it easy Yeah, and but that's it, but it's such a moving target. There's no there's there's just no yeah Awesome, we're going to do this again next month. I don't know we're going to talk about next month But we'll do it neither. I'm looking forward to it though. That was great. Well. Thank you so much lauren This is always so much fun talking to you for those of you who do not following lauren I'll put it back on the screen So lauren is at the obsessive mind on instagram if you're watching on one of my channels I'll put me up on the screen I think you should and for those who are directed here from from my channels Drew is amazing you should Check him out on instagram and you should also check out his books because he's he's awesome in so many respects And then he's got the podcast too Man All right guys, thanks for coming by we will see you the next time we do this Bye later


Good morning everybody. I'm Tommy O'Brien, coming to you live from TF9 headquarters in St. Petersburg, Florida, 10 a.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, 30 minutes in the trading day, and we got markets starting off to the negative side. NASDAQ, the only index right now in the positive by just one point, trading at $82.53. You get the Dow, negative by $84, trading at $27,264. We've got some Boeing earnings coming into that as you have Boeing trading lower this morning. S&P is negative by one point as well, trading at $3,006. Notes and bonds, higher price, lower yield, the 10-year up 9 ticks, $127.20, 30-year up 21 ticks, $154.30. You get the gold contract up $5 at $14.27, oil up $0.35 at $57.12. We get EIA inventories a half hour from right now at $10.30. You got Bitcoin, down another almost $500 at $96.84 in that dollar index, down about 93 ticks, trading at $97.325. Let's start it off. We'll jump over to the platform. Start it off with the Dow 30. You can see basically a trend overnight, trading lower for most of the session, currently trading $27,243, getting a little bit of a pop from that 9.30 open. S&P is trading higher as well, currently trading $3,006, just peaked above $3,010 within the last 10 minutes. We traded lower, made that low just prior to 6 a.m., and we've been trading higher since then. NASDAQ 100, trading at $79.68 currently. There's your crude oil market back above $57, like I said, we'll get the EIA inventories about a half hour from right now. Gold contract, trading lower and rebounding once again overnight, kind of do the same thing if we back it up to Monday nights performance. Excuse me, yes, Monday nights performance into early Tuesday. We climb higher, much the same. We trade lower for most yesterday, lows at about 8 p.m. last night of $14.16. You have the August Gold trading at $14.27, and Euro US Dollar trading at $111.51. In terms of what else you have happening out there, big day in politics in Washington, as you have Mueller testifying right now in front of Congress, you'll have a lot of eyes on that testimony. But back in the market, we've got a lot of earnings coming out, and let's just jump around to some of these charts. So AT&T out with earnings up 3%. We mentioned Boeing down about 1%. Chipotle last night with their earnings, looks like they've rebounded nicely. 12% same store sales, quite a number. And how about a beat for Snapchat up almost 16%. Stay tuned, folks. Come back at 10 o'clock with Tom, live programming all day at TF9. Have a great Wednesday.