2019, it is the Moortown Select Board, which looks like we have a third board. We're going to switch things around just a little bit. Instead of general public comment to start, actually we're going to go into executive sessions to start. I've got something for about five minutes. I want them to remember that we need to take care of this group here. I think it would be better if we did that and then we can transition into general public comment. And we can also say, for Ray, it's his birthday. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday dear Ray. Happy birthday to you. So that being said, Sasha, we want to take that cake kind of up for everybody here. Table and all our people out in the audience while we're in the executive session. That's alright. So I'd move to go into executive sessions for the reason of confidential attorney, client communications, to make the purpose of providing professional legal services to the body. Second? Second. Thank you. All in favor of a lie? All right. So we'll only meet when we're very short. Thank you. So I can tell the program earlier that I'm going to really try to keep things on to agenda tonight because I need to lead sort of life at seven myself, like I'm about a meeting three hours south of here that I need to get here. We've got two at tonight. Meetings in the morning when we go over there tonight. So let's go ahead and go with general public comment if there's any. I just have a couple of questions about the town hall liability insurance. Okay. And I was just wondering if there was an easier way to make getting the insurance other than having to register. That question came up actually at the last meeting we had. Okay. I know the library and other people with it really happened with all the vendors that we use have to provide liability insurance. So I was going to look into it actually Sasha did the work for me. I read through it and it looks at this point there's no way the town would waive it. Okay. But I wanted to go through it again and see if there's any. It was a fairly lengthy document. Well I was just, I'm speaking from experience. Yeah. The last time we rented the hall was for one whole funeral. And that last thing we wanted to do was call around and get quotes on liability insurance. I was just wondering if there was some way that the town could at least put like, I finally got it through VLCT because my homeowners was way out of line to get the coverage. They would not cover the time that we were done with the common short. So I wondered if there's any way to put the VLCT number on the contract or a handout or just some way. Yeah there's more information about it. Maybe on the website you also want to hand out whatever comes with the town hall. Yeah. Right. And the contract. Right. It's just, you know, I was calling around and that was the last thing I really wanted to do in that moment. It was, uh, there's a whole question to me. How much did that cost? Through my homeowners? Well, whatever you ended up, through my homeowners it was going to be $325 for one bed at that. VLCT was 103, I think. 103 dollars, yeah. 105 or something like that. So I just, you know, just to make things easier on the renter. We might have been able, we can contact VLCT and form so it's just, we can collect the money along with the, something like that. That was one of the things, um, could you make a deal with VLCT and then just add that on to the rental cost as an insurance charge? Um, you know, just, just to make it easier for, you know. That's a good question. Good point. Okay. And do you require all events to get, um, vital insurance? Yes. I wonder what it would cost for us to get insurance for three parties to use the hall and then the town insurance? But at 103 bucks it's not going to be much cheaper than that. I mean, maybe a bit, I don't know if the town wants to get involved in these. Well, only if it is much cheaper. It's $500 for the year, for example, for us. But at this point we're not even having enough events to get your government. Maybe it's because of the cost of the insurance. I think probably that could be, I know we've had, uh, people sometimes looking to do it and saying you can't do it. We've run into that. We've had things where somebody was still pulling up the money for people to have insurance in person. So, uh, it's, yeah, that's one of those things that's something I've worked on a couple of different times. And it just doesn't seem to be, it's $100, $100. That's what's going to be, unfortunately, the town's not going to get involved in it. But we can make it easier. I think you can get it done a lot easier. Just to make it a little easier and, um, not so complicated. Pretty good. Any else, Denise? Okay. And, um, that was left with insurance. And I just wanted to make a suggestion that when the library moves to the town hall for the winter, that I would suggest they move downstairs just because it's a temporary situation. And then you can still have the upstairs for, and that's all I have to say. Thank you very much. Is anyone else here for general public comment? We are close enough to 6.25, so why don't we go ahead and move on to the library trustees. So whoever wants to roll up can, or all of you, or... There's Kate. There's Kate. Denise, you can roll up too. You don't have to be a trustee. If they want to, you know, everyone just get a little closer so we can talk rather than, um, shall we? Okay, I'll take my cake, so I don't worry about the cake cake. I mean, generally, it's a good thing. All right, so... So, let's, um, hand what we were discussing, some of the other options for, um, housing us for the winter. So, I don't know if Elgin would like to show that. I'll do a little show in town. So, um, I'm just merely translating from words that I was given by the librarian. Two lists. One must have, if they moved, either here or to the town hall. And what items would be really good to have, but not absolutely necessary. So, two sets of items. So, I don't know where we will all be able to see. If I do that, how does that work? Thank you. So, this is my home-made system here for describing space. So, first, we have the space, but this is the first floor, because we did talk about the second floor at the last meeting, or the basement during the last meeting. So, I didn't draw anything up for the basement. So, we're going to look at this space, and then I came in and measured this space so that we can compare the two spaces. So, this is where we are. And you can see that it fits into this space three times, which is just interesting. It's almost exactly the size of the stage. The thing about this space that we're in is that we have fixed items in there. So, you've got your table, which is, you know, big table, and you've got filing cabinets. So, that's over, filing cabinets. And you've got chair storage. You've got two desks for the listers. You have the kitchenette. And obviously, you need to have circulation between these things, and you need to keep this area open enough for meetings. So, I didn't see much option for putting more things in there without determining the functions that are happening there now. For example, I could put in red. The red items that I'm going to put up are the things that are on the must-have list. The yellow are the things that are on the would-be-nice list. So, if you even just put a circulation desk in, it already impedes things, and things would have to be moved around whenever something else was happening. So, I'm going to just move over to this space. Here, I guess we have a piano over here and some kids' items along here, and there's chairs. And she loves the library. Okay. They do. The piano too? Not the piano. Okay. That kid for sure. And twice, those are in the library. So, there are chairs and tables that are kind of, they can be placed pretty arbitrarily. Not like in here. We don't really have any other option. We even have chairs being stored on both sides of the wall to the bathroom. So, I'm just going to throw things on here in a not totally random way, but I'll show you that what would happen if we had shelving that fit at the wainscot of the, you know, the trim that is the wainscotting between windows, leaving the space above for the quilts and the other hardware. So, we have fairly low shelves, for example, along there, there, and here. And that would take care of the required shelving for the temporary to move. We would have circulation desk. We would need a patrons computer desk. And then the kids area, I mean, obviously that could just be rolled up. It's just a carpet, I think. And it just delineates the space for the kids.  That's what that would go with the kids area. So, those are the required things. You can see that there's no function. I don't think there's any function that could happen in here that these items would get in the way of. I mean, the desk could obviously be, you know, moved over like that. Those would be open, though. I mean, they wouldn't be protected, but that's that. So, if I were to start adding in things that would be nice to have, would be nice to actually have two computer tables. It would be pretty important to have storage near the circulation desk because there's books coming and going. We could use another set of shelves the same height. There are a couple of benches. They could go, they're low, and they store books underneath. They could go with the kids area. It would be really good to have a bulletin board. Well, there's a display cabinet. You know, it could go anywhere. So, even with the things that would be nice to have, I don't think that the function of the space would be really compromised. So, I also took note of the things that we have that actually exist that could be used. I mean, the shelving in the library can't be taken out and used here because it's not the right dimension. It's way too tall. But we do have some bookshelves. So, instead of the long eight-foot shelf, we could potentially, if they were available, there are five short bookcases upstairs in the historical society, which I don't know if they're available or not. Basically, we had to ask Denise, did you have a chance to talk about whether we could borrow those bookcases? Well, I don't know. I talked with Mary and I went with Ellie, and we weren't sure which ones we were talking about. So, we'll have to go up and see. There are things in there. Some of them have some books on them that we need to read. But they're low. They're all three feet tall. The ones along the wall. There were two kind of separating the room, the front room and the middle room, and then there were two along that wall, too. And then there's one that I think used to be downstairs because it matches the one that's currently in our hallway with the supplies on it, maybe before the current shelving was installed. I guess we'll have to come and ask which ones we're talking about. But the long and short of it is that most of the items are already here. There's some bookshelves that we still need. Some low bookshelves that would be needed to be purchased or borrowed or lent. And then I think that I needed to put in that it would be really nice. Some community member might have a rug, and a few, I have three Adam Rondack chairs that could go there, could be rolled up. The chairs could be put outside if there's an event. Just that feeling of being able to sit down, relax and read something is really attractive and the space could use it. So I just thought that this would make it easy to talk about. You can come and play around with the different pieces. There are five of those bookshelves in case we look. So we could do that and eliminate some of that. So that's my story. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Well done. So we're a little getting ahead of ourselves with that. So I'm sure all of you know where last Monday we had a meeting, a couple of you were there. And we moved to the safety reasons in the library, either here or somewhere more appropriate than the existing location. There's also been discussion where people brought up the landfill office where the town halls or the town offices were located for a year as well. So looking at different options is good in doing these types of exercises. On Sunday, Ray and I, Elizabeth and Karen spent some time at the town hall going through that. And we had pretty good discussion. And I think the four of us agreed. And at the time with probably this building here is not appropriate for a temporary library. The rest of the more things, but certainly Ray and I got it and didn't feel it was this room here functional. And it was demonstrated with the man that served here that it certainly didn't work. I'm just looking forward to telling you that, but it's nice to have that to scale. That is to scale, I would assume. It just wouldn't work. Or at the town hall. I think there's a lot of potential there. But one of the things that we talk about, we spend a fair amount of time on, is the desire and the balance that we have here is like we're members, the balance, the use of our public buildings. Just speaking to a couple of people on the board, our feelings and then what everyone tripped in is, as a temporary basis, we think the town hall is a good idea, but we'd like to see some use of both up and down. And that's what we talked about over the weekend. And we know there are some issues that need to be addressed before people will be comfortable down using the downstairs. And we did the issues. We talked about doing something more around the steps as well to prevent the water from mine and also putting down a floor. So that's kind of where we left off the conversation. That was just Ray and I speaking to two of your board members there. So I'd like to hear a comment from the rest of the board and then we can get a comment from the library trustees as well. So where does everyone else? Thank you. Did you talk about getting outdoor carpeting for the basement and some furniture as well? We did. We talked about it on the floor. And in fact, the library said that they had or thought they might have people in the community that were willing to do the furniture. That is the case. I mean, since, so you know, what I talked about to the rest of the trustees, there's a thing I've heard a lot of, hey, I think that's a fantastic idea of what you're doing. It's moving the library over to the town hall. And on the other hand, we've heard a fair amount of pushback that, hey, listen, this is a town hall. We want to keep it that way. It's our job to try to, again, be that person in the middle to try to make it work for both parties. And I'm convinced that it can, that it can do. If you do that, it's going to take some work on both sides. Get other parties involved. This sort of a side of the world wants to be involved. But I think I really do want to get to make this work where we're used to both in the down. And I think if you do that and actually get that building being used, it will be the best thing for that building. It'll get some of the mustiness out of it. Get the heat going. You'll just get people and bodies in that. And I think you'll have a comfortable place to work for you. That's bringing people in. Our idea is to make that the community hub, both a town hall and a library. Denise, we're going to just... Now, how much of your collection are you planning to move to the town hall? Well, so the red areas up there are to scale. Right. So we're talking about the new books, kind of where 80 to 90% of the circulation happens. Okay. And a portion of the children's collection. The children's picture book case is actually movable. So that is an existing piece of furniture that we can bring with us. So that was the plan. And then the rest of the collection would be available by quest. So if someone had a specific book that wasn't in the new books, it certainly could from the existing library space. No. I'm sorry. Well, that's probably good. We'll ask Ed in that red space of the patron computer, obviously. But we need to come with us. Now, where would the existing tables and chairs that are at the town hall, where would those go in this? Again, that's questions that would have to be answered to Denise. I think this is a good start. There's tables and chairs there. And if we can just agree, we're going to work on both spaces, kind of concentrate on putting stuff, maybe the children's books up on the stage area. And then see what we can do downstairs. I really hesitant about having the front door, your main entrance all winter. As I was mentioning the other day, you know, in March at the town meeting when that door is open and closing, it's warm and cold. And you won't be able to keep that building warm if you have anyone come into your library. You just open it and the frigging thing is gone. So if we could have the main entrance, or try to steer people from the driveway into the side entrance, have your desk, start with your desk and maybe the computers down. Here's the counter. As you go in straight to the left of that, so that when people come down the stairs, you're seeing them.  I think what would be nice is so they're still able to have some tables so if people want, if you want to have your Monday muffin day or something like that where you're doing those things where you can still see people interact in the kitchen. We thought, and again, this is just us throwing that the corner down there would be one of your popular areas. If it was carpeted, we'd put some carpet down there. Lance, as kids and whatever, that's going to be your cozy area that people are going to want to go and read, I think. But those are things that I'd like to see you try. And then if it's not working, then we can change things around. But it gives everyone an opportunity to get a little bit of what they want. Well, this letter board received a letter that I thought was representative of the way a lot of people in town feel about this. And a number of people were concerned about the town hall leaving its traditional wall. And the sentiment expressed in the letter was they didn't want anything as controversial as moving the library to the town hall to occur without a vote. And they thought that the temporary safety issue is a way to bypass having a town vote. So I'm trying to be very careful about how to do that. Second, I think that the downstairs of the town hall has some problems. And I think as a ward, we need to deal with those problems as far as whether the library moves into it or not. That's something that we need to do to protect the town hall. I think that the layouts you've been describing also work downstairs. So I think that's an interesting alternative. But something that this is the first I've heard of is the possible use of a landfill office. I haven't heard that idea yet. And I'm wondering what reactions are to that and what you've found out about that. Well, I haven't contacted anyone there. And it was asked upon the board. And Ray and I talked and a couple of members started. We don't want to move, we're not looking to move the library across town. Even on a temporary basis. It's not the way that it's not going to work. And we all agree that it's a temporary room. And that's where we're here to figure out what we're going to do that. So what is the rejection to downstairs only in the town hall? What is the issue of that? Other than moisture. Yeah, I think that is the main issue. Books just cannot, even if there's no swimming water, even if you fix that, if the humidity level is too high, books will mold and they'll do. And they will have to be replaced because once you get that started in a collection, it's really hard to stop it from spreading through everything. And then if we move back for next summer and then we bring that mold and we'll do with us, it could get the whole collection of 6,000 books. And I know that there's insurance and you can replace, but you also have to consider the people power required to replace that collection. So I think it's a lot more complicated than simply getting an insurance check and buying the books again. I think the downstairs issues need to be fixed. How many books are we talking about for the temporary library? Yeah, I didn't actually count up the books. Our whole collection is about 6,000 books total. And so whatever percentage of our shelving. That's a pretty small percentage. Yeah, the two books take up one bookshelf right now and then again the red hair. But it's seven and a half feet high. I'm going to just throw out that it's about 20 to 25% of the collection that you're talking about. Yeah, I'll take more closer to 20% probably. And that can, you know, the children's collection wouldn't bring it all. So depending on the space we could work with that. The other thing that Jocelyn is kind of struggling with right now with their new renovation is the fact that they have two floors and they really only have staff on one of those two floors. So it kind of creates a safety and a security issue. People that are upstairs in the circulation desk have no idea if someone has come in downstairs to the children's room and vice versa. And so, you know, that's definitely something that they're trying to work on right now. So I think if, however we set it up, it would need to be such that you didn't create that issue of not knowing if someone's on one of the two floors. I think those are good things to bring up security. We look at some of that, Ray and I talked a little bit about that, but those are the type of things that we need to look at closer and how that would work for you guys. Certainly, I think the downstairs is a great program space. I mean, I have hosted Dungeons & Dragons down there. We're doing a simple supper this weekend that anyone who wants to come to sort of a community cooking and eating experience, and obviously we'll be using the downstairs for that. So I certainly see opportunities for the downstairs, but I just feel very hesitant about putting books down there. So we also here in the vault have that same issue with moisture even on a new building. So we monitor that. Again, something that we discussed on Saturday is monitoring moisture levels in the basement area to be sure that we're not getting mold and just not for the books, but we don't want mold for ourselves. And we have had, in the past year, had environmental firm go in there to check levels to be sure. On the other hand, what we're going to remember too is there are no events between here and town meeting that are scheduled for the town hall unless they're library events. Yeah, it's kind of listed. So it's not... So it's library and library. So that's another reason why I think it's imperative that it's over there. Again, I really want to see us use the whole building because the whole building needs to be used to make it a viable place in a working... whether we put some books up, some down or put... I think, again, we can figure that out. But as far as disruption, what's going on with it?  And that's the shame of everyone who wants to keep this as the old town hall. But nothing happens in the old town hall. Except, unfortunately... Sorry, Denise, when we have unfortunate people's passings and such, we had a nice gathering there for their grandmother. But we can't count on wakes and things to keep our town hall afloat. We just put money into paying it. We've got to keep it viable. And I think this is the way to do it. This is the one group in town that really has any energy. And really, I mean, there's not a lot. We have a fire department in this group that do out-and-do community events. And, you know, let's try to figure out how to work together on this. Last time we were here, you had asked... We're trying to figure out electricity and keeping costs. And Sheridan's really helping getting the reports from 2013 to 2018 on electricity from 2015 to 2018 on electricity. Harwood occupied the space daily from October to December. So I have those reports and all of the details on them. The electricity bill was actually lower in 2015, which is the year they existed, than the two years prior or the three years since. I didn't get the heating fuel numbers for the years prior, but it went down and then back up. And I think we all know from living in Vermont that heating fuels really can be impacted most by mother nature. But it doesn't seem like those costs spiked when it was being used daily for three months. Well, I think there's the minimum that we keep it anyway, since we have the pipes in there. And as far as costs, my thought is we're not going to be having to keep electric on in this building over here a little too much. Well, if we have the collection available by request, I think we can get the lights on. Okay. And we can keep the heat at low, but we would again want to prevent moisture building up in the winter. So we're not going to be getting a lot of heating fuel deliveries, but I think there's a bare minimum. We're not going to have the Florida Internet or the Port-A-Let costs.  Yeah, great. I just called today and because the town halls already set up, it's a $13.50 fee to move every month. Transfer your numbers. $13.50. It might be $100 if the tech has to come. Would you be okay with us getting rid of the Port-A-Let for a month? We're happy to use that when you're filling up. She can't. I always like it. Hold it. Pardon me. Could you do the drawing for the basement as well? Sure. I mean, the drawings are already done. Okay. So I just, I don't have it with me. I'd like to see that. Put some of that stuff there. Some we can if we have it upstairs and downstairs to work with. I have some aesthetic concerns about the downstairs besides what you guys have already talked about. I just want to express the feeling that I don't think that the ceiling in there is helping the space any the way that it is. And that came up yesterday as well. Yeah. It's very claustrophobic. It feels like, I mean, I can touch the ceiling pretty much everywhere. And it cuts the lighting, the lights. I mean, there are lights there, but I'm talking about natural light. Yeah. And here we're talking about people that would use the space the most are going to be in the least aesthetic comfortable place and the space that is beautiful and wonderful that people would be feeling enlightened by those empty. And that's just, that's just my opinion. And I just wanted to throw it out there. Just, I think it's one part of, I think it's worth just acknowledging that that's sort of what it is. Although I'm sure there are many things that could be done in the basement to make it more appealing, but it's certainly not appealing now. Yeah. I think there's any disagreement that it needs some work. That's for sure. And if anyone has any thoughts about how to improve that, that would be very much appreciated. Yeah. We're down the ceiling and it would require, well, I got up there a few months ago. I don't remember everything, but it seemed to me that the ceiling could be taken down and done in a different way. I was asking about the dropped ceiling because I also at 5.4 can't even stretch my arm. So we hooked our heads up in some of the tiles and there's duct work and there are fluorescent lights. Obviously in a longer term plan, the library doesn't want fluorescent ceiling lights. So we could maybe get rid of that and have higher ceiling. Yeah. Because I think the heating system isn't, well. Okay. I don't remember what I made notes, but I think something can be done. Yeah. It would be a cost item. It would be work that would need to be done. Right. Just going back to your plan. I don't know. So should an event come up? I understand everything has mowled. The shelving. Well, the shelving. The shelving would not be mowled. Along the wall. It wouldn't be mowled. But how, I mean, it wouldn't necessarily impede an event. The only thing, I mean, the big event, obviously, is town meeting. And I know, you know, they'd walk through that area to go up to the road. And it's pretty tight as, even without the shelving. Well, the shelving would only be about 8 inches. I mean, not even a foot. And the other thing that came up from Sherrill and with the voting booths, there used to be so much square footage allowing per voting booth for privacy reasons. And we're at this point where we're already at that limit and probably not at where we should be. But that's all we have. So if we start adding anything else up there, that becomes more of an issue. I thought I heard that the voting wasn't happening there. But I guess I'm wrong. Town meeting, it always happens there. And when we have a general election, it happens over here at the school because we need more of the parking. I miss, for the, we'd like to have and must have categories. We're just the children's furniture that's already in the town hall of Hall. Well, I don't think that's up there. I didn't include it because it wasn't up there. It's already there. I didn't know whose it was. But it currently, you know, it's along this wall, just loose pieces. I will say that we did it all at the top of the stairs. That's where it's been all summer. We haven't been hosting Green and Clay. So it actually disappears from the space pretty easily. We just put it on the stage because after more of us, we were retired. But, well, two things about that. It was extremely popular. It weren't best if you stopped by our booth. You saw many children playing in the hall there. And then Sunday, I was at the town hall, and it was being used by the children who were there. It was being enjoyed. And now, of course, there weren't that many, but the ones that were there were having a good time playing with it. I think it's great stuff to have in that out, rather than in the hallway. But in terms of town reading, it gets tucked away. And I think some of the earlier drawings, Alda did, you know, with the really permanent modification to show that you can still fit 100 chairs. And I think you put out 75 for town reading or something like that. I'll just add that the plans that I've seen and different people do, and that were done at the design charrette up in Burlington that did some brainstorming for doing this, it included setting up the shelving in a way that bends, that swings, that is attached, let's say if the whole collection were to be in here in the future, there would be shelving along the wall that's attached, and then another shelf that would swing on rollers and a hinge. And that way you could close the shelves. They would be protected, the books would be protected. And again, it would only take 16 inches, 12 to 16 inches of space. So it fits with some of the long-range ideas or brainstorms that have been mentioned. So anything else you guys would like to add, or any questions that you have? I would just like to add that I've already worn a special meeting for us tomorrow so that we could talk about what was discussed here and then get back to you with our thoughts. All right. I'll ask the clarification about best ways to communicate with you because the letter we sent you was not on it. He could send it right to Sasha here, it was an M-select board. That's where I really did that. That's where it was sent. It was not on it. So what's the email? I'm sorry. M-select board. Like M is in warranty, but not spell out just the letter M. And then select board or a little word. It's at moretownbt.net. And then what I can do is call Sasha. So I'm sure you can bring up right now. I'll just make sure. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on We've had a preliminary discussion, but we found out about it three days before our last meeting, so. That's good. I have one, actually, one last really good question. So this is a temporary fix as we continue to discuss ways to revitalize the village and help the library, you know, really bring the community together as a hub, as our mission states. And back in April, we had discussed creating a broader-based subcommittee to sort of trying with the idea forward and not just have it be the trustees creating it, but really get the community involved. So just wondering where things stand with that. Sure. Again, that was the rule. We brought that up on Sunday. That's something that I'll take responsibility for not getting that started. There's a number of changes that, of course, are not here, and some other things are going on. So we're kind of putting the back burner. But I think once we, any of you brought this up Sunday, once we have this temporary thing fixed and are in the place for the winter, I think that's a good stepping point. All right, now everyone, you have a place we can meet. We can sit down here and they start to put that community together. So that will be my deal is we'll get that going this fall once we're, let's get this first phase done. And they temporarily figure that out. And I just want to say it's not any effort on our part to bypass any sort of vote, as the letter suggested. I don't know our record saying that. It's not some attempt to take it over. It's definitely an attempt to create a comfortable space for the litter. Now that these conversations have been going on for two years, might go on for two more. So I just want to make sure that that's on the record. But that's not our intention. I'm addressed that as well. It's certainly, I don't think you were trying to circumvent anything. They didn't ask for a special vote or a special meeting. One of my colleagues asked for that and thought because of the safety issues, it's important that we just put that to bed and move the library to a safer, more secure place. So we've done that. I don't know where our work is figuring out. I think we know the town halls, the place where it really needs to be for a number of different reasons now. We need to figure out that happy medium where we can all feel like we're winners here. And that can be win-win with the library, with historical site community in general. And that's what our job here is to do and to work with everyone to figure it out. And that's what our commitment will be. Ray is looking into and Ray, by the next meeting if we can have. I know you're going to talk to Joe about cement work down around that. As far as the water stuff, Ray is dealing with that. I'm dealing with the pricing on the floor. So we're working on that stuff as well. So we're trying to walk the walk as well on this side. Why don't we get together our next meeting? Which is, which one's our next meeting? October. October 7th. Looks like I can't be out on the first Monday there. It's the 7th. Why don't we get together back then? And if possible at that point, we would maybe still need this floor plans, or I think it would be good. And maybe we can again work together. Elizabeth, Corey, Karen or whoever, between now and then. Coming up with some scenarios. Working with us, and we'll also find out our information so that we can make an informed decision on the 7th that will work for everyone. Is that fair to everyone on the table? Did you discuss the ceiling at all? Yes, I did. Yeah, in terms of turning it out. We looked at it and thought that probably something could be done better. Because this is terribly ugly. Well, yes, it is. And I think if you look under it, and something like that, now if you look at it a lot of places, you know, dot org and pipes are kind of the end thing to kind of see. You know, when it's got hand-heaved timbers up there, and then hand-heaved floors. So it can be attractive what it needs to be. I also saw insulation up there, so, you know, I need to figure out what does that do with that floor? You know, is it really essential stuff or if we're having to heat down, is it going to go up anyway? So those are some of the things on that ceiling I think would make a tremendous change. Some of the, again, the positives, it's handicap accessible. Wheelchairs in there can mean there's bathroom rooms. This is good stuff. I think it'll make a good spot. The whole building for the town to figure out how to use is both a library and a functional town hall. I have one more question. Go back to the liability insurance. So if we go there, are we already covered by the library's liability insurance or by the town's liability insurance?  So people wanted to use the town hall as Denise did, and they reserved it through the library. The same process. Yeah, I don't think those guys are there. There's still an outside. Okay. No, if they were... Just try to find some way around that. No, no, no. Believe me, we love a worker. I was looking for, through BFTC, and there just doesn't seem to be that. Okay. Because there's nothing on the third back. I mean, we love that. So that, again, would probably get more people using the facility if they didn't have to charge an extra hundred bucks and have a birthday party as real money for most of us. Any other questions or concerns? This is Tensher. Is everyone good? All right. So why don't we stay in touch with Elizabeth and keep me abreast of where you guys are at and what you're doing, and we'll do the same and we'll get back together yourself. Thank you. All right, thanks. Okay. We want to come in. Great. Long term. Doing concrete work. That's what we call, is there a potential for the full-grade exit window? That kind of stuff. Put it all back together. Dem and not possible on the powerful outside. Mm-hmm. For the other side, we already have windows where we're going to have low windows for the children. You don't want them on the front side. We don't want them on the front side. We don't want them on the front side. It's like basement. Right. No, I was only thinking the side where we were getting more and more. Yeah, so honestly. So, um, I don't know. I'm going to be getting out of here shortly for a couple of things. I just want to, let me just keep the voice down just a little bit. Sasha, public record, this is public comments. I just wanted to run. We all saw Chris Butch's letter. Yep. I'm sure that's reflected. And also, I don't see the sent out post but Laura Schauer sent a quick thank you for our, just want to say a quick thank you for Paul for it. You know, very articulate and funny by the members of the Harvard School Board. And I also, Peter, I will send me a thank you for sending it up. You probably saw the report. Right here. It's a front page in Hortown. It's concerned about the process. It's getting a little attention anyways. And what about the e-mail from Katrina? Which e-mail is on there? And the one that had to do with the School Board meeting where they said the School Board was really on the on the street. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, John. So Katrina brought up a point that during the meeting one of the Harvard Union members brought up that the school here only had point two acres of acreage to play on or to use. So when I asked Sasha and she put together I guess Sherilyn put it together. I have a hard copy for me as I couldn't open it, but has put together a great list of what we have for acreage, tennis facilities, baseball facilities, everything. Right, but it's all town owned. And we have to figure out a way to treat this as a positive rather than a negative. They're coming, they're making it sound like a negative because it's town property that they on paper don't have use of, which is ludicrous. They do have use of it. And they always have. So I don't know how that can best be done. I'm not even sure if there's anything anywhere about that on that but the property that the school does have. 2.1 acres. And for some reason the town runs the school apartments and the ministers need to do something there. Okay. All right, that and I think even our understanding, our MOU with them, there would be that in... Right, right. And I think I mean with the parking lots and let's take, let's review that. Yeah. If we could take a look at that Sasha, because I understand, because isn't that, that talks about use of the solid fields and the fields. Yeah. And that's why the costs. So I missed this. What's the supposed negative of the school having little land? The point was that they can't use it. They didn't have use it again. But, again, they've put a list of what we have. And then if I think Sasha will pull the MOU, you may need to use a little reasoning, but if we're using, you know, maybe in charts we're happy with what you're using. Anything of use? That was the idea behind that. They've just made that happen as well. But it shows that you have the agreement that you can use all the solid fields. Right. And, you know, it does cost money to one thing, so that'll have to be understood as well. And I think we have to make our presence at the school board meetings as much as possible. Yeah. So that being said, it's very important. Here in Harwood, I think it was on the front page forum, front porch forum, tonight or last night, it was Kristen's recap. It talked about the meetings. There's an outreach meeting, and so I think it is important that, you know, it's many of us on the board in the 10 that we do. And there's one. You don't have to warn that. No. No. If we're doing some public meeting like that, it's not like we're going on and holding a meeting or debating, you know, I wouldn't suggest three of us sit together and, you know, start. Not even talking together, but, you know, we can all be at the public place and not give back to me. We're not happy with that. Not at this point. Yep. I think it's a good idea that we have to look a little bit more into that. Anything else, John? No. All right. So is there anything else for me before I get out of here? I just wanted to recap. On the first meeting in October, are we going to have a formal hold on whether the library goes to the town hall or if we have... Yeah, I think we have to make the decision whether or not... So that's going to be in October? In October. Okay. And I think we pretty much ruled out this and then ruled out everything about the town. I think what we're going to do is put how we want to make that work. And we saw tonight obviously there's some resistance for being downstairs. But I think there's... there needs to be some compromise on both sides. I think using it on the building, the whole building is a fantastic idea and I think that's what we'll probably have. Probably holding out for downstairs. Assuming we get the moisture issues fixed and that we'll be able to vote, I think. Yeah, I think ultimately there's a permanent change and there won't be a vote if that comes. But I think at this point we need to make decisions as a board and let's best... let's look at the building and remember that the sound of the thing is being used at all and it's zero use. So let's use it. And one last thing on Chris's email is that he talked about heading up a committee to try and get the town hall to use more. And this is something we have talked about. I mean, certainly the town hall can still be used and still be rented. Absolutely. If he wants to do that I think that's a great idea. We should say, go ahead. I think we want to have a little more fun while we're helping out. Yeah, I think we have to. Wait until October. And if anyone wants to start marketing the town hall, they're welcome to. If they have someone that wants to use it or such, you know, let your friends know that it's available. If you need any time. You want to put something out on it from Court to Court? Or certainly welcome to it. I think we can do all the people we have and the opportunity to do a little bit and send out things and we were renting furniture. Right. Which I don't think we have the main power to be doing that anymore. The idea is to use the game and use it at its full capacity both up and down in my own good. So, Dara, and John, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to leave. I have a... something I didn't get to know why I wouldn't be on it right now. I also have a little time for your night, but the rest of the board will take care of you and thank you for all that you're doing. I'll see you guys. Have you been sighted? Just look how you sound. But John, you can take over if you want. Okay. What's up? Get out of here. Yeah. Dara. Yes, sir.  How do you see that? I'll let you guys have a chance to see the draft. Enhanced energy plan. Can I circulate it? But I thought I could just walk you through where we're at through this planning process. And... Safe travels, John. Yeah, thank you. So, more time to see the systems from the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission to prepare an enhanced energy plan which has a lot of benefits to the town, helps us have sort of a compact standalone document to chart our goals and our progress, which is a lot easier than trying to sift through a huge town plan. And then it has a very practical benefit if it's approved, and it should be because we're working with RBC and we're doing all the required sections. It can give the town the substantial difference that we may want to have as siding and renewables come bigger penetrations. So that's one of the goals. And we put together some assistance from the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission. We've had some community reviewer so far. We've had some planning commission review so far. And so we have... There's basically a goal is to have a very good solid draft ready to go to you and then by December and then have public meetings because this draft becomes an amendment to the town plan. So we have to do whatever the town plan amendment process requires, which I believe is public hearings. So the planning commission would do one and then you guys would do one. So we were thinking, you know, first quarter to have that happen. But the actual goal for the writing and the community engagement and input in town, you guys and other town members is this fall. So where we are now is we got some data provided to us from the RPC from various sources. And so there's some required data that has to be part of the energy plan. So we have that. Then we have the fun part was identifying pathways that we thought were achievable for our town and town frames. And so we did that and we weren't super ambitious. We wanted to just kind of get started, you know, that it's a very overwhelming thought transitioning our energy system and, you know, trying to take these state level goals and make them local. So we, you know, thought of some things and that's really the meat of it that I would love to have your reactions to and that can be whenever you have a chance to take a look at the draft, read that section and just you could email thoughts. We could schedule another time if you haven't had a chance to look at it yet. We also have... So the pathways, let's see, they start on page 12. We have about a dozen pages and it's in a table format. It's very clear. And it says who's responsible, how high a priority it is and that's something that we definitely want to talk to you guys about because priorities are something you guys can set. And how we're going to measure success. So this is a real action framework compared to some plans. So we tried, you know, we're new. We're kind of a reinvigorated energy committee. So we tried to set reasonable goals to get started. But they're all around in the major sectors of building quality, thermal, you know, how warm, how heat how we retain that heat in our structures and transportation and generation. So those are the areas that we address different strategies for all of those things. And, you know, from the data we learned that like most of Vermont, our big energy use is around heating and transportation. That generation is actually the cleanest thing that we're doing right now. And our energy is pretty clean in Vermont. So we went to Morfest with the goal of kind of talking to people about the fact that we're doing this planning and that we kind of wanted to hear from people about what parts of those sectors because it's such a big thing were priorities, you know, if we were to do a couple things this year would they be transportation focus? Would they be thermal heat source focus? Would they be about buildings? So we got some great input from people, you know. It rained. And then we're having a second public engagement piece which is the third part of the plan, the third required part.  And you guys might remember that the state has preferred sites, but they're giving local officials and towns some discretion to identify additional ones. So we wanted to work with you guys and the planning commission, the RPC who's going to provide us with the mapping that we need and hold a public forum where we could get input about what people see as places they would want to have generation and places they wouldn't. So, yes. Is that strictly siting as far as locations or siting as far as criteria? Okay. If you want to describe the town's preferences for siting, you have a couple of options. And I don't know if they will accept it.  The other way is we are okay with locations that are, say, this distance or more with this view line unconstructed or in, you know, but not over here, but with the criteria. I think so. I think that's helpful. I think we're allowed, this is the thing, this is the thing that hangs over all of it. Anything you say to prohibit renewable energy development applies to any development. So if we were to say we don't want, you know, something up on that more ton gap, we would be also saying it for anything else that would be cell towers. That would be, you know, so they really are trying to, I guess this is the public utility commission to make sure that towns don't disadvantage energy. So there is that. You could say, following that, you could say no structures longer than exterior. Absolutely. Which would allow a cell tower. That's right. And that's the other thing that we're going to get support. So at this meeting, our meeting is on September 24th. So it's a week from tomorrow at the town hall. We will have the RPC there and they can answer a lot of questions because they have a lot of depth and they also have a lot of maps. So we're going to see some of the different known constraints that we have because of, you know, conserved lands, you know, so that will all be available to us. And then our goal is to take any input we get and we're hoping someone from the select board can make it. The planning commission will be there and we are going to put an ad on front porch forum tonight. I kind of want to talk to you guys first. I have to figure out how to make it sound engaging. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's, you know, preferred sites. It's like, so and we'd love to also wrap in a little update on what we're doing with the plan and why we're doing it. So we're hoping it will be a good hands-on kind of exercise and we'll have enf Sagemen, so that's going to get advertised. It may require more than one meeting. We don't really know. So then we'll put together that last section of the draft maps are created to go with it and then we'll have it all in place the RPC would review it you guys will review it planning Commission first and then that's kind of where where we are and we hope that by first quarter we can start those public hearings so yeah it's gone really well we've learned a lot and we're hoping to grow the energy committee in the town I know just by being at more fast you know a lot of us started about parking in Montpelier we have a lot of people who live in more town and there's a lot of opportunities that we're not taking advantage of so it's kind of fun to think about leveraging resources that already exist just by getting the word out talking to each other a little bit maybe getting creative about some things because we do have access to bus routes from Redham and Waterbury but we can't get there so that missing piece is something we might want to practice or promote through you know bike to work days or you bike to the bus you know different things we can do around transportation because that's a really thorny one but there's also some goals that we identified about like you know the RPC suggested that the town start budgeting for electric trucks which I think our way is down the road so I suggested how about we trap our vehicle miles traveled because we could have goals around that so you know I really would like to get your feedback on that kind of thing whether it seems feasible and then of course there's there's goals around town-owned buildings is it time to look at the audit we had in the past and see what we've done do we do a new audit so there's a lot of things we can do with municipal properties so there's goals around yes huge goal makes a lot of sense right here a lot and explore you know that there was some funding we just missed the grant yeah I gotta tell you part of partly one of the thoughts I had was do we want to get our paving project out with first because if you put the chargers in they kind of need to be you know it's a designated spot it's a designated spot and I wasn't sure if we would want to make an investment like that before and then have the big stormwater project and all that happening I don't know so that was a question for you guys but the other problem is the funding very competitive so I would like to explore other ways maybe through partnerships to get discounted funding so we could do it yet having a chart I was really hard to use that word and maybe charging station that charges for the electricity so yeah yeah there's a lot of those okay because we could offer yeah I know and green mountain power might be willing to do something so that's something to really explore because it would be really great people are parking their cars here for hours we don't have a lot in the valley right now we have the paving issue so that's what kind of gave me pause I talked to Cheryl and she was like let's hold off and then I found out you know how but I did get a copy of a winning application so I have that but let's see do you guys have any other questions or I'll make it easy for you because what I'm gonna do is I did get some really great feedback from Joyce Manchester transportation member and she's also an economist so she went she went through the data here she found some things which was great and she suggested some new pathways as well so I'm gonna incorporate her comments any comments we get Tuesday night that are to the existing sections and then ask would it be Sasha to put put this draft plan on the website so that way it will just be there and in fact we have an energy page on the website that we need to update so like right now it doesn't mention me it has some inaccurate information about when we meet but we can update that and put the link to this on it and I can reference that link in a front porch or I'm posting and I thought okay sure and are we able to slightly decouple from the state energy goals and the reason I'm asking is and must admit to some synthesis of how whether those goals were meant in places we get closer to the demo so yeah I mean in some cases some of the goals were gonna surpass quickly like we already found that the hip-hop goal is really low-hanging fruit it doesn't really make sense so we're not sure if there was like some something strange with the data but I do think that we'll probably want to decide with you how often you review the plan like I was gonna propose like an annual meeting where we go over how we've done on our goals and then you know we could we could decide if something needs to be changed based on changes in the larger work around us the other thing that's complicated about this is that you know we have all these other towns we're a region it's kind of silly to have these very single like pretending like you're an island when you know that's not how it works so we do have ways they'll doing the same project right now I think middle sex is doing it so that's another thing I'd like to do is kind of have a group regional check-in on how we've done this planning process and and what that might mean like in terms of meeting goals like if one town has more more comfort with solar less concerns about scenic stuff they could pick up some of the slack and we have more hydro you know what I mean like there's a way to work together to reach goals and we also have a goal in here of working with the other energy committees they're all small right now so we're thinking let's band together run workshops together and so that's something I think so like in our case when we were doing this they had a lot of examples for us to look at but I'm not sure if they've pieced it all together and I know that would be nice is Pam is not they hired a new planner who's doing his name Zach and he's been nice to work with he's very young and then they have their own regional plan they have to do and that includes an energy plan so they're gonna be visiting that soon and that could be in their plan that they do that I know they do so much it's great it's fun and they gave us some helpful things for more fast and they're gonna help I'm meeting with them tomorrow and they're gonna help kind of figure out how to do the meeting on the 24th you know like activities so they've just been an invaluable I'm really glad we had the grant so any other questions or priorities priority areas there is also in terms of the website but we have all of our towns have a Vermont energy dashboard so I really like the link to the dashboard to be on the energy page so because that's really where we're going to show progress you know we don't have to do a lot on our municipal site because we already have a place where we can that can with maps that can show how much solar is going in where people can put stories if they want so that's all getting enhanced so we're gonna get to be able to take advantage of that and and you know have a place that we can see progress besides this that lives on a website so this is not so great so maybe somebody will make it to the 24th meeting if possible I know you guys have some if not it will be well documented and it will end up you know report you'll see it so we can decide a second one super thank you so much thank you thank you and congratulations on sidewalk and then it was on the radio this morning yeah it's really nice to hear more town in cybox I just realized that I may not have sent you guys the okay which would have been really helpful at the beginning before but if I have not okay so I'm gonna wear a couple hats night one for more recreation committee and one is the executive director of the matter of riders the rec committee has been managing the trails behind the school yeah and largely that's been through the volunteer efforts of the matter of riders and the recreation committee and initially back in the day 2004 I was the one who went out and mapped all the trails and did that too just to give everybody a little history about my involvement in that particular area the rec committee recently is you know did a survey and we learned that people are very interested in the trails the trails themselves are pretty difficult up there and and as far as being a resource for the kids it's great for walking but they don't go very far because it's difficult and as a bike in order it's pretty much impossible for for most of the kids especially to go up and the same for skiing and snowshoeing it's a pretty steep hill and without any kind of you know grading and stuff it's a tougher place to get around so the idea is that we upgrade the nature trail which is the trail that leaves from the back of the fields and climbs up to the top of above the septic and and then create a way down from there that uses some of the existing trails along the fields down low but would create a smaller piece approximately the nature trail itself is actually pretty well pitched for beginner trail there are a couple small pieces that we might we might reroute and and then we also talked about potentially putting in the skills park in that back field which is too small really for any type of you know I mean you can play soccer in there you can play other sports in there but it's not a regulation field and people aren't using it in that way right now it is a mode area but I don't know that it is used for anything you know particular at this point so a skills park would be would consist of natural materials stone dirt and wood locally harvested if possible we may have to use some pressure treated wood and some instances if you know if that is what was called for but the goal would be to create something that is fun to both run and and by gun in that hundred eighty by hundred square foot area there I'm sorry that's not square feet but 180 by hundred and and and then we also proposed an upgrade to the Hornbeam Ridge Trail which is slightly above the nature trail and comes back into the ancient out I'm sorry to the pineal path trail that would be a shorter one about 2,200 feet of total but would be a new trail because the Hornbeam Ridge Trail is extremely wet as it is right now and very steep it goes right up a drainage essentially so we've kind of not promoted the use of it because it is not in great shape so the the rec committee I proposed this idea as the as you know the matter of riders would be doing this work the rec committee said we appreciate that work and we would like you to bring it to the select board at this point so I've done you know rough budget on each of the pieces and our goal is that we submit a recreation trails program grant for this coming cycle to to at least do some part of it there may be phasing it might not be all done in one you know one chunk it's kind of a lot actually to do all in one but as a project and we've been very successful with our TP grants as the members and basically almost every year for the last 12 years we've gotten I will say that this project hits more of the criteria for this grant than any other project we've ever done I can't guarantee that we will get money but it really at a school beginner access for everybody it really it really checks off a lot of the things that that particular grant could fund so I can send you the map I can answer questions I can do anything else you'd like right now okay but that's the idea the recreation committee approved it and so we're bringing to you as the official you know the town is the owners of the land it's not necessarily a town much so far I'm a writer so but it is a 20% match so that's something to keep in mind we have other funding sources that we use to match it typically we'll get a member of the district grant every year to again it fits everything that they that they want so we're likely to get success there too we have great relationships with Cabot with Lawson's with Sugarbush also work out to take off another right and put on another hat here so there you know there are a lot of there's a lot of support for this type of thing and I think as a resource for the for the kids and for the town we would really you know be using the land in a way it is low impact it allows the kids to use it as an educational resource in a way that they haven't necessarily done done yet and and really you know it's it fits with what I think more time would want on the land there okay now is did Michelle bring up the management plan to you yes and it's time to to review and redo and so that that that would certainly this would kickstart that okay now the previous plan was a joint select board school board and planning commission okay I when I attended the our day conference back in May one of the speakers spoke about management plans of town forest and their suggestions to get even more people involved I was thinking library for example I'd love to have you involved yeah okay that's excellent good so it sounds like when that plan was done recommend it was not so right so that's 2010 so I mean that's a 10-year plan the last time we had any harvest there was back in 93 yeah and that was small small tree single tree and small area harvest so we've never really had you know a real full-fledged harvest of time so I forget the plant says about about that I know there it is certainly you know one of the pieces I don't know right right well now they're not saying that okay that's an active selective yeah right but maybe a larger scale going to some of the other areas the white pine up on the South Hill that's something Johnny Summers brought to my attention when they were doing all that logging up there on South Hill and then Ray Ray wanted approached me on that as well so you know that's free word look into some of these things well certainly as part of that plan right yeah I think that's that's exactly yeah and we coexist with forestry I'm almost all of our parcels okay so this is not like oh my god right we work with the Forest Service in the state all the other towns including them so yeah it's just part of it farms too so does the state forestry unit have resources to actually look I would not promise anything from them but we have members who are foresters professionally and then one other thing I did want to bring up because you're going to ask at some point and that's insurance and liability the work the matter arrives are part of a statewide organization like association so anything that we do here would be insured the liability is extremely low this is a municipal piece and it would be very difficult to be able to sue the town for anything that happens there especially because we're using natural materials there and if we don't use structural number it becomes even a lower bar of liability so you know those are some things to consider at least you know in the planning process of you know if we decide to use structural number there's a slightly elevated you know level of risk but otherwise it is essentially zero and there has been no successful case of anybody suing for you know natural surface trail use okay is anyone ever sued for a no I don't think we're responsible for that we we may be ultimately responsible for the conditions that have brought them here so and then one more detail that is super important in that is the October 31st deadline for the preliminary proposal that needs to go in and I have a ton of experience doing this and feel that I can do it very fast so you know there is there is some level of okay well just you know keep us posted anything that we you know you need from us just you know well I guess what I need from you guys permission to you know apply for this grant and say this is what we're going to do okay so you know and in order to submit that that pre-proposal okay we need that okay then I make a motion that we allow the rec committee under John Atkinson to go ahead with applying for this grant. Any more discussion? Yes I just one question that you mentioned that field that is large enough to be used are there any other contenders for the use of that field or is everybody fine? Well in the rec committee we discussed it as a potential thing and one person did bring up a community garden you know and certainly that area could be used as a community garden it's you know raised essentially with a little bit of a ditch around it so drains well but it might I mean are there other places that the community garden might be better you know as far as a skills bar goes that's ideal so I certainly don't want to eliminate the idea of a community garden I think that that is a great idea you know but I also think that that's a great spot for something else. So in general like I've proposed very much I'm just wondering if there's anyone who knew this was happening would say oh no we need that spot for Hopefully it's been coming in a long time I'm starting the grant process then people will be more aware. Well I mean we will announce that we're applying for it and share the plans you know that's that's part of this so if that's you know I'd rather you guys see that map too and see the costs and stuff like that you know so you're you know what we're getting into but you know and if there is at some uproar we should we should address it. I think it's quite a likely I just right. You don't know these people. There you go. I have no further questions. Okay good. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All in favor. Thank you. So over the next couple months we ought to. I will forward this to you guys. What's the email that I should use to send to all of you? M select board. M select board. You know what you don't need to write this. Is it on the website? It is on the website. Under the contact list. Yes. Oh my goodness. They have information on that one. You're not going to write it. I will find it. Thank you very much for that. Likewise on the town on the Forest Management Board during the winter months it would be a good time I think to really roll up our sleeves on that. That's correct. Yeah. Because the rec committee certainly slows down once the system falls. Right. And I'll see. Pick a ball and stone. Pick a ball and stone.  You can do it in winter? Yes. He did tennis courts. He did tennis courts. Yeah. And I'll see I'll see about whether planning which wants to be involved in it or what since that was kind of their thing before. Okay. Well, I mean it started out there. Right. Right. And then the rec committee came on and then failed a little bit and now it's come back much stronger. Right. Okay. Good. Okay. All right. Well thank you. Super. Okay. Thank you John. Thank you John. And Carl, have you seen the Management Board? No. Okay. I will forward you a copy. Okay. The Forest Management Board? Oh, yeah. I think I have a copy. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Any other reports and communications or announcements? Sasha, do you have any? I'm going to remind you about the Halloween thing. What? The Halloween thing. Oh, yeah. Sorry. So, the, I believe there's going to be a Halloween party and we're going to hear more about maybe putting a, did we talk about a town truck or a fire truck on either side of the village or both sides of the village? Okay. And I think it's a good idea. I'm leaning towards the town truck.  I think a red is more of an emergency situation. The town truck is like a warning. Right. A lucky night. So, I guess I just want to run that by the site board. And see what your thoughts are. No, I think that's a great idea. Yeah. So where would it be positioned? I'm not really sure.  And, you know, if I, I'd probably say right when it drops to 30. Yeah. So just off to the side and flashing. Yes. Sounds good. Okay. You know, probably for, I would say two hours or whatever, two or three hours. So, yeah, probably a little bit of overtime on the road, you know, to do that. But I think it's, it needs to be, you know, deeper and safe. Yeah. Okay. Let's do it. Do we need a truck for a flashing light? We don't have anything? I, I don't know if I'm putting anything else. Yeah. Me neither. Yeah. And that's, I think that's a good idea anyway, just to have something there. Lots of lights. Lots of lights. Okay. All righty. What else? The zoning administrator is asking the town to pay for half of the training that he's interested in going to. He's only asking for half. Because he's going to ask us for the other half. What's that? He's going to have to ask for the other half. Oh, right. Right. Okay. Let's get this thing up. That's right. That's right. Okay. Yeah. I'll make the motion in favor. Okay. Discussion. Well, if I'm going to say hi. Hi. Hi. Okay. I suppose I should report that I heard from four hundred people in town similarly about not wanting to town. All I need is for the library to go. Okay. You mean the temporary is? Yes. This is new. Yes. Okay. Well, otherwise it would have been with the vote. So that wouldn't have been a comment at all. No, but I haven't. Okay. I mean, we've heard from a lot of people that said that they didn't want their period. Okay. Anything else? All right. And I guess the only other thing that Tom said would be taking this up in the future was the protocols that Kristen had gotten out to us. Did everybody take a look at that? I did. And I was struck quite strongly by that item G considered not typical. Right. It reads like gag order. I can't say how fond of that. Okay. This letter G is, this is the protocol for HMOSD. Okay. Okay. And the Vermont School Board of Associations recommendation, recommended protocols did not have this letter G. Huh. Okay. And that was, the G, that was one of the, that was the issue with Kristen when she came in here. Yeah, exactly. That night. And the G apparently is short for gag. Yeah. That's a strange wisdom there. So what, what, what is our action on this? I have no idea. Yeah. At this point, it's just, yes, I would imagine we'll be discussing this at a future meeting. Yeah. Right. Right. Okay. Ray, anything else to report? No, I, you mentioned talking to, a road crew about the maintenance plan, but I haven't really had a chance to. Yeah. We'll talk at some point. Okay. Call it. I heard half of the conversation, something about dwellings on property, and you can't have more than one dwelling. So if someone wanted to put a camp on property, they would have to subdivide it to do it. And there was some confusion around this and what constitutes a dwelling. But I don't know. I only heard half the conversation and I wasn't really, it wasn't directed at me. It was just overhearing. Yeah. Or is it dwelling or structure? I mean, there are definitions, but they're always not as clear as they could be. Okay. So what was the context? A complaint seeking information or? It was a complaint because I guess there was supposed to be a building permit issued. There's no record of a building permit being issued, but a building permit can't be issued because this camp is considered a dwelling. So it's what's the difference between a camp and a dwelling because I know on another road by your house there is a camp that's being used as a full-time dwelling, which it shouldn't be with no E-91 after us. So... But you can't have two dwellings on your property. I'm just curious what the story is with things that were grandfathered from pre-Irene where any permits would no longer exist. I do know, I think there is language somewhere about when you take a camp and make it into a full-time house that you have to have a building permit. That's what happened with David van Dusen up there on Lynch Hill. We went through that and he ended up getting the permit with traditions about maintaining the road and other things. There's definitely... But that was... It was only then. Yeah, but that wasn't two-on-one property. So this would have the additional subdivision. So I don't know if there's something to think about because if someone has 100 acres and they want to put a hunting camp on the other side of their property they can't do it right now. So I don't know if that's something maybe that needs to go to zoning to look at for what is your clear definition of a dwelling. What do you need to look at? Does there need to be a dwelling or what do you need to look at? Does there need to be acreage limits? Like if you have five acres it doesn't make sense but if you have 50 it may make sense depending on where you are. So I don't know if that's something that either the zoning administrator needs to pass on to DRB or what. But I just heard it come up in conversation. Do you think the people who are brought it up would be likely to go to Arizona to find out? I think they had a conversation and it was not maybe the best conversation so I don't know. Well then maybe they should get in touch with the planning commission. Okay. Anything else? Jason? I think I've brought up anything that I had. So the minutes of 9-3. What's your order? I walked backwards. Did you move forward these toes? It was 9-9. Because I saw the 9-9. I went all the way back. I couldn't see 9-3. No. This one looks really good. Let's see. Okay, so it's Kristen Gahagan. So this might have to... Oh, I'm sorry. That's the other thing I wanted to bring up. Actually, this is on my mind because she said, where are you? We're looking to get a numbered paper sent from our Regional Planning Commission. It has numbers down the side so that you can refer on each page to a specific line, and then it's really easy to find something. So that would be really neat if we had stationery out there. Let's see. So down under public comment, one, two, three, four, five, starting on the fifth line, Kristen Gahagan, House Road, it's Gahagan. It's G-E-O, but might want to just check the spelling with Charlotte or something. So she should be added to the gas list as well. Second page near the top. Jason Statham had a lot to change in three years. What I remember saying is that something could be different so I'm a little confused. I think that if there's a slope of fire or shit, they don't need papers for workers' comp. And that's all I remember saying about that. Do you remember that? I'm afraid with you. But I think that's all I say. You don't need to put the other thing in. I don't remember what you said at that time, but this is different from what she said today. Because she said today that they have about 6,000 books total. Yeah, I recall that. She didn't say 6,000 that night because I remember that. Yeah, that seems to be all they have. And then, sorry, did you hear that from Dan Curry regarding the road traffic system? Yes, he suggested coming in in October to a meeting to talk more about it. Excellent. Thank you.  I thought we did. I thought we did too. Yeah. We should definitely look into that. And actually just admit a gauge too, just to see what the humidity level is. Does anybody know if there were inexpensive recording humidity gauges these days? It's now a bit of memory rather than the paper. I don't know. I'd like to put that up. Another question about the concrete work at Town Hall. Would it be less expensive in some areas to put down flagstones to redirect water? What we're thinking of is in front of the site no work, because that's where the problem is. The road is too high. The town hall is too low. Either way, there's only about two to three inch clearance so it doesn't take a lot of ice to build up and go over the sill. What I was thinking about was lowering that grade around six to eight inches and putting some sort of grate in there. There's already a drain pipe in there, maybe a trench drain that will fit across there, collect all the water and people can still walk across there and have it in concrete. So trying to keep that water from going over the sill is a good part of the problem. I think it would be pretty easy. I don't know why we have to talk about that at all. But it probably would be three to four thousand dollars. But we should do it regardless of the librarians or not, because you'll do something out of that back door. So I make a motion to approve the play card meeting minutes of nine-three as amended. I'll second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of nine-nine. I'll second. Any discussion on those? All in favor say aye. Aye. I'll make a motion. Errors and omissions incorrect. Everton, Allison, Richardson change value from four hundred and eighteen thousand one hundred to four hundred and nineteen thousand seven hundred. Change of acreage per survey file acquired to four hundred and twenty nineteen. So are we all supposed to sign this? Or is it just the chairman's sign? Let's see. Oh. So I'll sign the second copy. Do you want this? I'll try to make sure it gets on the window. Anything else? Okay. I'll make a motion to turn. Second. All in favor? Aye.