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The picture is finished. The clouds came last, the sea came first. The horizon line was soothingly straight, just as the eye likes it. Then the islands, a little listless, alone, present from before they were ever seen. Before they were a resting point for the eye, a harbor for thoughts and loss. Before they were placed in the picture, they were present, in the sea and water, in the gleam of a sunset. In storm and drought, they were the anchor in a story made of pebbles and dirt and earth, before sight and speech, enviably old. She was 101 when she saw him coming out of the water, his shirt clinging to his chest like Mr. Darcy in the BBC version of Pride and Prejudice. She forgot for a moment her advanced age and supposed wisdom, as her tongue crept into crevices in her mouth where her teeth used to be. She swallowed deeply as he waited towards the shore. His long tussled hair streaked across his shirt. She held him in her sight, grasping the fleeting moment, him waist high in waves, a soul without a past or future. The moment hung like a Christmas ornament, a bobble round and glistening. She reached for it. I am, he said, I am, and she stopped his mouth with her hand. We can, she said, talk once you have eaten. Would you like an apple? But his brow furrowed as he kissed her hand. He was wise enough to recognize a benefactor and frightened enough to do as he was asked.  I am, he said, clearing his throat.  Her other arm cradled a blanket and a pillow for his head, which she threw down and stormed out as though she didn't care because vanity is undeterred by age and some small part of her had watched television and remembered what it was to play hard to get. And so it began, first kiss at sunrise, his hands strong against her fossil sides. Her body uplifted, her clothes undone. He would pick up, pick her up in his arms and hold her as though she was an ornament, a precious thing. Removing eye from his speech, he learned to refer to himself as himself. Exising past and future tense, they lived like this in the tremor of the present. He built things, of course, a canoe, a small cabin, a roof, a deck. It was not that she didn't worry when she bent over the nets to pick up a quivering fish. She would see her reflection and recoil. Time had not stopped. It would not stop. In moments of grief, she would shriek at her reflection. Stop, just stop it, stop it. Berating endlessness for the fact of its existence. Why, she thought, does one not become more beautiful with age? It was a cruelty that wisdom should be so unattractive. An evolutionary failure. Why, she thought, was all the gain of experience, all wisdom rendered invisible by her white hair and toothlessness. But as she saw him casting nets into the sea and felt her own longing, she doubted her own wisdom. He had not known a love as great as this. It broke his heart as it rebuilt it. He held her hand patiently. He does not say she saved him, but she knows. She also knows there is something else which they have not discussed. The current that brought him there, pulling him another way. The blue streaking across her heart, breaking it and mending it all at once. Tugs in all directions. It's permanence, a strange and endless lie. What is the matter, she said, summoning cheer, because that is the question we ask when something is both different and sad inside a loved one. Nothing, he said, except a kind of electric blue.  Hi, she said, tucking away a strand of hair. I am, he said, and then paused correcting himself. It doesn't matter. No one calls me by my real name anyway. You'll soon make up one for me. And there it was, the time, the late afternoon, him standing too long at her door, the sun streaking the floor, and the grim plasterboard on the wall. His cell phone rang a Christmas tune, even though it was early September. Its tinny ring brought to mind a shiny bobble hanging on the Christmas tree at home, the only gold shimmer in a sea of red and blue ornaments. I'd like, she said, but he had gone, wandering into the hallway that stretched evenly before and backwards, the doorway, a hinge to the past and future. An email in 2001. She opened it without the ceremony or emotion of opening a letter. Technology, she thought, had rendered letters soulless. It was told impersonally in the third person by someone hired to tell the story of love, he was getting married. They met, it reported cheerfully, when he was doing research and she too was doing research and they found one another terribly interesting. It is finished, she thought, and looked out of the window, out into the horizon where the sea was having a party she was not invited to. Hell no, she thought, and then wondered about her choice of words. The current had pulled her to a different shore where language was bigger and more important than life. She made important decisions about semantics daily. As a professor of linguistics, she specialized in the future tense in Slavic languages. Her department had made her chair. Right now she was immersed in Hungarian grammar, arguing the finer points of the origins of the future with her colleagues who all like her feared losing their jobs in a competitive marketplace. You know what the economy is like. So when someone else proposed on her 43rd birthday, a colleague who she had come to know at faculty parties over the years, she knew it was not love. She was much younger than him and did not enjoy Mahler or coffee or crosswords and in her own way considered contemporary culture to be inauthentic and dead. The classics were much more alive than the present. The epic stories, the Mahabharat, the Greeks, Odin, the others were much more interesting than her bland friends, their eyes glazed against the storm of social media. Terrorized by their cell phones, her colleagues walked the halls zombie like never pausing in any threshold, never halting in between to find themselves. Classical problems seemed a great deal more urgent than anything. Anyone living said or did. Yes, she said to him, looking at the doorway and the waves receded, the horizon sank as though frightened by her. The future tense, she had said famously, publicly, multiple times was a semantic manufacturing, absent entirely in some Indo-European languages. It was, she said, pushing her glasses up her nose, a way to order endlessness, a gesture of control. She did not add it was therefore a farce she did not wish to participate in. That would have been too strong, too personal, too unacademic. Children do not exist, she thought. There are only women and the women before them and the moment where they fell in love or didn't. There was only fate or choice if you had the luxury or didn't. And so when on her sabbatical in Budapest, she felt a kick in her stomach, she paid no attention at first because she and her husband had been apart for many months, connecting only on Skype, on weekends. But she felt the kick again and the doctor's hand firm on her belly. They told themselves it was a 24-hour layover they had in Prague, where he had given her a gift, a box set of Mahler's symphonies, to enjoy for many lifetimes. And they had chosen Prosecco over more expensive champagne and had fallen asleep almost certainly without making love. So when her waters broke, it provoked a serious inquiry in her mind, one that was to take up many years, as to the possibility of intellectual or mental conception, rather than a physical one. Because there had, you know, been no one else. And then he arrived wailing out of the ocean between her legs.  Her husband was overjoyed. A son would be easier, he confided, less fraught. He thought, looking at his shipwrecked wife, grief will not settle in his bones in quite the same way as it does with women. And her grandson was a runner and her great-grandson lay in his cot, cooing at the star-shaped mobile. There was a quiet hush in her soul. And in the quiet she lay there running her mind over the years, the past became a cushion. It yielded beautifully and lay itself bare like an oyster trembling in its shell. Someone is here to see you, says the nurse. Oh, a visitor, I say that's kind. A young man with a tape recorder here to ask some questions I think about your life. Tell him to read my books, there's nothing to tell. I wrote what I could write. I was primarily concerned with the future tense and its absence. But then this young man sits down and he takes my hand and says the story is not finished. The waves have taken me out to see many times, I think, but don't say. I find this whole conception thing super fascinating, says the young man, his eyes shining. That's because I say to him, you'll never have to carry a child yourself. For me, it wasn't easy. I am, he said, and kissed my hand. Take me back to the islands where the picture was drawn. My feet are like hooves, my skin like leather. I'm wearing time these days on my feet, like women wear shoes. I didn't get that, he said, shit, can we start over? And it does somehow time itself rolling around in the ocean like a baby elephant. Could we begin again? Tell the story, he says, tell it was like it was never written. It isn't written. Time is fraying at the edges, burning grief like sun burns fog. The picture, I think, is finished. The clouds came last. The sea came first. The horizon lines stretched soothingly. Then these islands a little listless alone, present from before they were ever seen or held in vision, before they were a resting point for the eye, a harbor for thoughts and loss before they were placed in the picture they were present in the sea, in the water, in the gleam of a sunset, in storm and drought. They were the anchor in a story made of pebbles and dirt and earth before sight and speech. Enviably old, I begin again. I cross into the current, I walk into the sea. I am, I say, I am older than this. This story, myself, I am. Thank you.


It's six o'clock. So I think we can go ahead and call the meeting to order. I am pulling up our agenda We are calling our meeting to order as far as roll call calls I think that Angela already shared with us that we have two excused and then is anybody else that we're missing Are we all ready to roll? There's no Missing Francis She's here She's here. I think then that's everyone. Yep, we're good. Okay So I think then we'll go right into our public invited to be heard according to our agenda I'm following it as closely as I possibly can And so we'll let Angela she wouldn't mind introducing our public invited to be heard Or let's oh, I made two things. Um Actually, I added Elaine and In grace as a lion item in six, so I don't think in fact we have any public to be heard here No, no one reached out to me either asking to be included. Okay, perfect. We're great. Great All right, then we need to take a look at our minutes that were sent out a Couple days ago and see if we have any additions or corrections to our minutes from our September 17th meeting. I'm looking addition subtractions Punctuation Spelling everything's good All right, then we need a motion to approve our meeting minutes from September 17th. I motion to approve them And do we have a second?  Okay, great. Oh Not in favor raise your hand Okay, excellent. Good job. We will move on and See if we have any additional Additional Additions to tonight's agenda No Okay, I guess I must Angela be using the old agenda. Did you send out two? No, no, no, I've got it. No, great. You won for review in the final. So I've got them both got them. Yeah Okay, perfect. Thank you. Sorry we talked yesterday and I'm I had forgotten that we were going to make that one Item a line item. So we'll go ahead and move to number six, which would be if nobody has any additions We'll move go on to number six and talk about our public art project updates starting with art on the move The updated agenda. I added line item piece number six, which is the presentation by Elaine Waterman and Grace Gutierrez Who are joining us from the firehouse? Because I could put you guys first so you can get in and get out. All right, so take it away Elaine and Grace Okay, awesome. Um, so I'm sitting a little bit back. So you guys can see the artwork But thank you so much for having us at join the meeting tonight I'm very excited to be sharing with you and Speaking with you all regarding this very important work of art of both of these two artists You may have you may know that the firehouse just opened their Dia de los mortos exhibit On Thursday and I wanted to know if anyone has seen the exhibit yet. Yay And and Andrea your Katrina is beautiful But Dia de los mortos 2020 past and present was curated by Grace Gutierrez who is a Longmont native and Latino artist and Grace is visiting she's also on the call today and Through the exhibit she brought together four regional Latinx artists who respond to historical events in Boulder County within the Latinx community, so I'm actually going to share my screen and I'm Going to share the information about the two artists that we are going to be focusing on for Hopefully adding these two works to AIPP's collection It is the artwork by Adrienne Rea and Ramon Trujillo Dealing with the shootings of Jeffrey Cordova and Juan Luis Garcia So Rea's and Trujillo's altar paintings depict a significant moment in Longmont history a moment that affected the whole community Through these pieces two young Latino friends honor two young Latino friends from the past whose lives were cut short Community response to the altar pieces has been very positive and guests who have seen the work During the opening has stated that the work is very timely and the subject matter handled with respect and care For the members in the community whose wounds are still fresh after so many years Rea and Trujillo are Regional artists and their inclusion as people of color into the collection would add a richness of voices represented I hope you will consider adding the paintings by Adrienne Rea and Ramon Trujillo to AIPP's collection So if you are not familiar with the incident, this is information on the screen of the shooting that occurred in 1980 It did end up with the formation of El Comite and I know that Many of you are familiar with that community organization and I am actually at the firehouse right now So you can see the works behind me I will move the screen, but these are the two works. There are Two flanking round pieces that one's Adrienne's and then these ones are Ramones, so the video doesn't do it justice the camera doesn't do justice. There's a lot of depth to the flowers and As you can tell there are 3d elements on The central piece as well I know Angela has other copies of the artwork that she pictures that she's taken So maybe later on after we're done, we can like show you they're a little bit bigger And that they're a little more like she focused you could see them a little bit better So maybe that's something we can do in a little bit Um, and also I did send a video to Angela regarding Grace did an artist talk with both of the artists and she Asked questions regarding the importance of the significance of the the history of long lines and also about creating a connection between these two gentlemen that were killed So if you have any questions, um, I can definitely answer or grace. Who is the curator of the show? She can answer as well I think it would be helpful if I in fact showed some detail and shared my screen um I got some some side images. So i'm going to um Well, I'll stop share Okay That I don't I don't want to kick like everyone out all of a sudden because that is exactly what would happen I have a quick question while you're fishing around for that Angela. Yeah, you got it So, um, have you guys talked about where these would live? long-term a question Let me bring it up. Okay, that's Can everyone see that? Give me a thumbs up if you can and can only see a couple of people right now. Okay. Um, so the way, um The opening was last Friday and Elaine And grace contacted me Midweek this week in today's thursday So that's why you haven't received any information about this ahead of time and we threw it on the agenda pretty quickly And I invited grace and and Elaine just to present Uh this information. So that is to say Uh, I went visited the work to take some quick measurements to look at it in space Likely with all three pieces. It's about eight feet long It would need some tall ceilings. It definitely can't be in a place where It would be crowded from above And uh, it certainly has some depth to it, which let me Flip to the next photos that is not what we're looking at here yet Shoot but so the conversation of uh Of space or location has not been addressed. It's really simply the works themselves um It's three works as I understand correct Elaine, but really a package because And grace said it you can interrupt me at any time that the artists while their regional artists Found connection with this story almost kind of like a brotherhood and a friendship hood If you will really that connection. So um historical relevance plus Um, you know regional artists working. So I I said I'd come and put it on the agenda. So, um I think we'd have to get a task force of a couple of people together Uh to look for or of course if anyone Um Has ideas Again, at least uh eight feet long total that's not to say that it couldn't be a broken wall or something like that And angela can you click on the pictures because we're just seeing the little thumbnails? Oh sugar beets. Yes That's not what I'm seeing. I'm seeing it nice and big How about I'll now look what I've done. I I have them too if you want me to pull them up Give me a second. Sorry. So um elaine or grace. I don't know if you can speak A Little bit of more about ideas of placement if you have them or if anyone on the commission has ideas of placement How's that? Can you see that? That's better. Yeah. Yeah, okay That's what I was just about to pull up A detail of the of the flower that's made from the newspaper clippings and the highlighted newspaper clippings Um, can you repeat the size of these again? I'm sorry now that I see it on my back to know the size again Sure. So uh grace correct me if I'm wrong, but I would say from uh, that shelf is not included in the piece No, that's one of our shelves. So it would not have like the altar underneath it necessarily Um, but I know that that circle that center circle is like a three foot You know circumference or no circumference is this is the circle around but like You know three feet this long I'm an artist not a Not a mathematician. Um, but yeah, so the two ends the two end pieces are a little bit smaller Yeah, that centerpiece there are all three of them are oil paintings.  That's all you have to say I was I was nine years old when this happened and living in long lot and I remember it very well I remember it being people on baited breath when the trial happened. Um, yeah, it was it was a it was a Very monumental experience in long lot. Yeah And these are definitely indoor, uh, they would be indoor, um, installations, right? Okay. Yeah Yeah, so originally I asked um, adrian raya. He's the first person I asked, um to take on this project and He came to me after learning about the pro you know, learning about the event and He said that it was really important to him to ask somebody Um, another artist friend of his to collaborate on the project um, you know, he said These are two friends that died One day apart from each other. Um, he said that it was really important to him to kind of collaborate with someone to like have that like dual You know have like two minds working on it as it was like two friends that passed away, so I like that He asked a second artist to collaborate with him Throw my little hand up. I'm sorry. I missed the last couple of months, but um, I just wasn't sure if Where the courthouse project was at is there a possibility that I mean this seems like that would be completely apropos Um, you know just dealing with justice issues for for that space It could be um those ceilings are quite low and right now we did install the Hanging mechanism in there and art on the move is there for now That is not to say that there are not other walls in that space Uh, also I was thinking the library as well as the civic center Surely of course, uh, no matter where the work would go. Um, there also may be a place in the museum In the atrium, but again, we need to remember that it needs to be public space, right and accessible. Um I think that there are certainly options Um, and it will just need to be investigated. I also don't think that we have spoken about the price of these these works, so Um, but I did want to say that there is room in the budget for this work Correct me if I'm wrong. Elaine. We're looking at uh a thousand dollars for the centerpiece And then 1400 each for the two sides for a total of 3400 I think this is fireworks. Is that right? It's 1200 for the two sides Gray, so that yeah, yeah Oh, yeah, so 3400 that's right I'm not a math person clearly Uh, no, so the 3400 for the entire work. Yeah, Francis. Sorry, uh, so I'm I'm looking Elaine like it's lit so beautifully behind you and I feel like there's something that's coming like the light really lends to the To the message to the reverence of it I wonder if we can allow something in the budget Or you know to make sure wherever we hang it like it's like we just light the perfection out of it Because that's the it's it's just it's beautiful behind you like that. I agree. That's a great great point Francis I also wanted to ask is there some sort of um Like a plaque or something that explains a little bit about the the piece We do have wall text That is in Spanish and English. I will move to it. Anyway, uh, you probably aren't going to be able to read what this is But this is the long lot daily times call newspaper From the events and then this is the information of el comite About the formation of the organization Um, and this is basically the information that was on the website that I shared uh in english and then in spanish And we absolutely could make interpretation panels to be next to it. Maybe not right next to it a title plaque and then interpretive panel in the area Wherever it ends up certainly other questions or feedback I'm personally very excited about it. I am I've been working with other a few of our colleagues on this board about trying to get things some Some pieces like this and I was just it was kind of like A universal when angela shared this with me. So i'm pretty excited but And again, it's well within our budget um, we would need to form a task force And find folks to help us find a location Maybe as francis said um, think about creating side panels and also Uh purchasing lighting so of course that would increase our increase things a little bit but not so much panel I did you have a question? I'm trying to see if anybody can hear me Yes, we can hear you Okay, because I don't have a microphone or anything showing like everybody else does I didn't mean to interrupt No, you're great. No worries. Thank you for asking. We want to be make sure you're heard Okay, thank you I just have one one quick thing um to add which is that um, if there's some You know sort of transition time the museum certainly could also act as a Holder until it finds a permanent home just to add that to the conversation That's what I was thinking too. I thought that that would be a good place to start anyway So Susan Thank you. Um, Amy Um, I would love to be on a task force to find a placement for it And I wanted to ask the firehouse they um had Something in mind that they were um Thinking of as far as placement um that they had suggestions about or that they were partial to Um, well, I know that I spoke with Angela and I had suggested the library at first But I know that space there is kind of limited Uh, the civic center was a secondary place um But you know anywhere that We can hang these safely and together with enough spaces is uh Would be great with us with the remodel at the civic center I think that would be a matter of plotting out some space correct Yeah, and certainly speaking to our colleagues with the city and because we need to be assured that there may be a wall But that there's not something else planned and because um, you know, that's a very large project and a lot It's a lot of visitation that also may be a good thing and Making sure that the hallways easement all of that business That won't ruin it because there is depth as well, right We just want to be sure that we're taking care of it the way that we need to but I think a task force to get together and start making connections with our our city partners Looking for a place and just frankly going on some field trips asking some questions Would be really helpful as for the purchase. Um, if we're we would like to consider a motion We can do that or we can table it to new business and let uh grace and and elaine On their merry way this evening. Yeah, I'd make a motion to To purchase the works, um from the firehouse art center We have a second a second One other question. Yes me too. Let's have some discussion. Yes Have have the pieces hung anywhere else outside of firehouse? No the first place. Yeah So I have one other question Go ahead I was just going to ask, um If it was going to live permanently somewhere, do we think It would benefit from a plexi box over the top of it It was exactly what I was going to ask about like a shadow bought, you know, something that protected it Yes, definitely. I think like especially the the 3d flowers are actually like attached separately Um, but those I think are kind of tempting to you know, especially like children like passing by I think it's like an element that is like tempting to touch Um, but it is also something that can be removed. So that's something to think about Um, but the flowers definitely add a few more inches like forward from the flat panel Andrea, um, just a suggestion I don't know if the artist would be interested in creating like a more, you know, how they have the altar pieces in Santa Fe You know, maybe like it would be an altarpiece shadow box protective altarpiece, you know, kind of a surrounding framework And I don't know it's it's kind of the artist's decision really when it comes to that but Just a thought maybe that would be something that if we all decide Kind of seems like we're leaning toward buying the art and then this task force could maybe get together And determine, you know, we have the budget to do that something like that And that could be a separate line item that we would vote on to spend the money on like a Shadow box and maybe having the artist commission the artist to help design that is that what you're trying to I think that would be really that'd be really cool. Yeah We have to make a decision on that You know, and I think that the flowers if you've looked at them that yeah, I can see if we had it anywhere that's public um Children are going to be around and not just children but like I'm like a little kid and I might want to go to them too, so They're really cool. And so that's something I think that we could do that as a separate once we get if we all Decide to purchase the art Then we could do the task force can propose to the commission in the next two or three meetings How we want to have it displayed and and get as much support we can from the artist as well Hey, so we did have a okay. Go ahead Susan. I'm so sorry. It's just a little thing. Um Angela do you have access to the article because I wasn't able to read the whole thing that maybe you could Send the commission so that we could read you can get it too. Yeah, that'd be great So I can send you the article the uh video clip. It's about seven minutes long Great, I'll send that I didn't want to send it in advance because you'd be like, what is this? All right, so article uh video And then uh the firehouse is hours When this exhibition is going to close so you can go and and see it or grace and go and see it in person So you can fall more in love with it because you will and um But don't touch the powers. No powers or or the oh the oil is just I'm just gonna lick it. Yeah, uh Is there anything else? So Elaine Um, I just wanted to state that we are appointment only For wednesday thursday friday and sunday between the hours of 12 and 5 But then 12 to 5 on saturday. It's open to walk-in traffic based on capacity I just didn't want anyone to come by and and not have access And masks of course. Yes. Yes masks say that one more time appointment Wednesday Thursday friday and sunday between 12 and 5 And then saturday from 12 to 5 we're open to walk-in traffic Uh from 12 to 5. Yeah perfect Um, so we should have had a discussion before I asked a motion for a motion um We kind of did things backwards. So since we've had this discussion We probably should ask again for a motion to purchase the art as andrea proposed andrea. Are you okay with doing that again? I make a motion to purchase the art at the old firehouse. Oh, excuse me. That's the old name the firehouse art center and That's it. Okay. And then susan was our second or susan. Yeah, okay and then We might want to then we can decide we'll put a task force together to To figure out how we want this piece to be delivered to our community. All right all in favor Hi Hi Anyone opposed? No, you were our favor, right You kind of flew up it right at the end. Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much The motion passes. Let's let's buy this beautiful piece Thank you Thank you One quick note. Um Elaine I will speak to you kind of offline But if we can of course, this is a matter of public record But if we can prevent from throwing this into social media, etc So we can contact the artists with fair amount of time They're probably going to be a little surprised on this one So we'll keep it under wraps until and then um, we'll let you know once the artist knows and we can all celebrate Okay, and that means all of us too I have a big finger and lots of fingers in the big mouth Okay, thank you Thank you guys. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for taking the time to come at such short notice We're very grateful. Thank you for thinking of us in the city for this work. That's It's Yeah, that was really thoughtful. Thank you And I know the artists are going to be really really excited. So thank you. It's it means a lot to You know have their work seen and loved so Thanks, I think it means a lot to the community And I know this was such a heart-wrenching thing for the community and our latinx community and families I mean it was the families where it was a really really even at nine years old I can remember people crying and I mean being very very upset during the trial and so thank you this is I'm not saying it's closure, but it it starts with awareness and then Um, yeah, it's really exciting. Thank you so much Thank you Okay, great You all can go home if you would like Or you can stay and hang out Yeah, we do have vacancies on our board so you could practice You want Grace grace grace think about it. Okay Elaine come on we can show you that'd be wonderful for you to come join us Thank you guys. I'm gonna go home and make my kiddo dinner Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna head out too, but thank you. I really appreciate and thanks for you know, nice meeting everybody too All right, I swear I have an old agenda or something But I it's the most current one I have so I don't know what happened to my I think you were good Okay, so then we we want to move on to um art on the move So if the forklift arrived went after I left longmont, um, we're supposed to install And at colman's piece tomorrow because it's finally finished. So that's the stained board Oh, no, you're interested in popping by st. Stephen's tomorrow Um about 11 30 If we have a forklift we will be installing And if we don't have a forklift, I'll be there standing there waiting for a forklift So that's pretty heavy for you to be lifting by yourself without I don't think it's possible So we'll we'll see about that, but that's the last piece and Cindy. I did get your email and we're wrangling the images Yeah, I don't know it just kind of got lost there, but um now that this work will be installed We actually have everything we need so I went out today and took pictures of a few things Okay, so and I was of course A day too early for the whirling dervish Of course because that is murphy's law. Oh 2020, right? So yeah, that's pretty much that And so once we get that postcard out there, we'll we'll mail it out To everyone in the minutes were the locations I know that I sent an email and it bounced and I realized later, but hopefully you all have The locations now so that's good Um any questions about art on the move?  Do we need to add an item to our agenda to discuss a task force? For our previous project. Oh, that's a good question. Well, here. Let's finish this one Does anybody have art on the move questions? No No, okay. Um, yes task force would be helpful. I have Susan Horowitz. Does anyone else? I would like to one or two. Okay Is that good? No, you want to do that? That'd be a really good one for you. Sorry. I shouldn't volunteer with you No, I think that's a good idea. I'd like to be on there as well. I think it would be good Sorry No pressure I do uh, want to apologize. I'm not very talkative today. I'm not feeling well. So just kind of sitting back I'll talk it up for you. No, I don't worry Excellent, okay, that's a good start and then we'll get together and um start working on this So how I my last question is how long is it at the firehouse? Oh till it's there through the beginning of november. I think she said november 5th Andrea, does that sound right? Perfect. Thank you. Okay, great Yeah, go visit it for sure Yes I was hoping to pull up video um that Andrea took of direct the direct purchase of ursa major But it's not working um So I'll keep trying to get it to to work But needless to say if you have not seen ursa major She is installed in the breezeway on the eastern side between third and fourth and has been very well received The longmont leader wrote a little bit about her today in a scavenger hunt outdoor art scavenger hunt article Um, and then I expect something from the times call soon. Um Yeah, so she's she looks great And thank you everyone who came out to help because that was quite the quite the move but I told all my physical therapists to go and they all loved it So that was really cool randy's got her picture. I've seen a couple pictures on social media. Thanks randy We all know how big and beautiful she is That's a huge accomplishment folks. That was really cool Even paul meese was uh quoted in the paper about being happy that it finally got done and finally installed and so that was That was really great. I think they just ripped that off from his facebook posts because he was so excited He was very excited and and that was really neat that he took You know, it's really fun. This is my fifth year to see how things have progressed And when we get a decision like that and I'm sure andrea has seen this over the last Several years that when we when we reach a goal, it's really exciting awesome, okay so Uh direct purchase of ursa tony ortega mural project Okay, i'm gonna try and share again Get ready So if you all got a chance to go to the museum and see things Um, I had a covet scare the day after I was there and so I had to cut my visit short um But it was really neat to see people were working on it and the colors and the paint and the community involvement It was great. So can you again everyone see? Okay, so um So The panels came to us with the raw sketch That tony had done based upon the previous sketch that uh, you had seen And each individual or family group Got together and and first put down a base layer and after that first day it kind of looks something like this And staff was saying really zombie people like we would like to see where this is going And tony kept saying just you know Here have you seen the sketch? Have you seen what it turns out? But that's pastel, you know, but progressively over the four days We had over 70 participants, which I think in the era of covet is a massive accomplishment We had kids. We had a large demographic wide demographic. So uh, man, I just think that it was gangbusters. So Uh, slowly but surely every day these pieces and parts would fill in And I think tony's biggest challenge was that the the mural wasn't it all together abutted So sometimes like somebody's arm wouldn't get painted the right color and so he got to learn The process too and kind of new process. So Then the same panel if you can see from the previous image To this one is when the texture which he calls dry brushing with acrylic started to happen and it it does start giving it that that pastel look if you will and uh, so here it is and each each Day someone would go over a little bit more and let those under colors Start coming through but then go over the top Uh, and so here you can really see The layers of color I'm a little alarmed that someone would say this was um zombie people if they hadn't done their recent That's well, the green the green faces were a little a little nerve-wracking off of first day But but then once you see the skin tones coming through that the tony said that that green undertone really lends itself to allow for all sorts of different kinds of people to be represented uh, and then Eventually we got to the texture point of it now These images the imagery the figures, uh, the museum staff collected images photographic images of the festivities of Dia over the last 20 years and presented those to tony And that's where a lot of these figures came from so real people throughout throughout time So here's some mask working on panels And here's the whole thing in very bad light in the museum Green varnish A little bit closer if you will and so tomorrow While I wait for a forklift in another area of town uh Jared and brach will be, uh Installing this work In the breezeway between fourth and fifth on the west side So while you're coming over to look at Annette Coleman or lack thereof You can also go and see The installation of this work. So that will be happening. We're going to start that pretty early probably about 10 So come get your coffee and swing on down uh Jared made a frame to go all the way around the work and then We discussed putting a bead of caulking silicone caulking along the top top to prevent moisture from getting behind the panels Uh and the wall I'm not so worried about it because the sealant is on both sides Um, excuse me, and it's pretty serious stuff. So, um Same thing with graffiti if it's a subtractive process. So if someone comes and marks on it There is a solution that we use to take off the top layer and then replace it So it's it's beautiful and it's such an amazing addition to To the you forgot that they're going to get shocked If they anybody touches this one, right? Yeah, right electric shock. Um, my other question. Um, have we thought about camera camera? Um around this area and the only reason I say that is because of our experience um at ninth and alpine and 21st and hover I just might be something that the commission wants to consider And I say that Unfortunately because of some some challenges that we're facing as a country and as a world right now I just don't want anybody to to damage it. So Since the I know that ninth and alpine we were able to find the person who did it. I'm just trying to be Just something to think about I can talk to the ldda because they also already have some cameras Okay Off the ground is it We have not installed it as of yet, but uh, I think we had discussed that the bottom was going to be about human height So really when you're driving or Bicycling because there's also a bicycle rack right there. We don't want a bicycle to hit into it. So it's going to be up Not high up, but Great I just want to point out one other thing. Um, and maybe you want to go back Just another slider. So um that he he really did make this site specific Long's peak is right there in the image and that was purposeful. I think it's super cool of him Yeah, it's lovely piece. I I went the first weekend and It looks so different than After it's finished both meeker being the first mountain and then long's peak behind it Are there I love it So cool And tony did write an artist statement for us that will accompany the work as well reads awesome Fantastic, that's wow You know considering this whole covid stuff This is pretty darn amazing that um that we're getting all of this done and of course my agenda just went away for a second There it is. Okay. Um Then I guess we'll move on to number seven, which is the conservation and maintenance um letter a being the unity project I don't want to put you on the spot. Noah, but do you want to talk about unity project? You don't have to I can if you want actually, yeah pardon me, I um have met with marco and I believe her name is susan a few times just kind of walking around the neighborhood and um there's been uh Significant repairs done to the unity project. Um, there was a lot of structural damage to kind of the bottom of it Like you said probably getting bumped into by lawnmowers and stuff like that Um, so that's all been repaired. Some of the tile work has been refinished. Um A new coat of paint around the bottom and a little bit up on the side some caulking on the back Really just general upkeep making sure that it's going to at the very least survive this winter And then probably um have another rounds according to them of um of further restoration from that point Angela do you have anything to add on that? Uh, I did ask about the plaques on the back. Uh, peter's not here But uh, he drove by on his bike as well And those bilingual plaques of the embossment is basically non-existent anymore Luckily, susan daily has extras So, um, I think that that'll be a part of this too as well is in fact removing those plaques and I was even thinking maybe it might It might be time to consider bronze or something that's going to stand up for a little bit longer But mario is absolutely going to work with susan on getting us phase two um I do think that they went slightly over budget and it's just because of course it took them longer To uh get the work completed So there was more damage in the amount of time that it took from when we got the under contract this time last year Luckily, we do a 10 contingency on all projects and I think that that's going to cover it. So that's very good um Yeah, so stay tuned, but mario is going to send the sealant The plaque the mower bumper is going to fall to us. That won't be a part of their Next process, but I did reach out to timber with parks and ask him You know just a starting point, but really by the time next spring comes and the mowers are back We have to have a solution To something something to protect so Do we need a task force on that angela? Um I also was thinking about the plaques issue because that's not It's I mean, it's kind of an issue in several of our pieces. I mean, it's something to think about with the plaques. I mean Okay, I just I I was thinking about I was imagining the plaque and if those of you have done your maintenance stuff Um, you'll notice some of our plaques aren't in the best of shape either.  So it it might be worth absolutely I would love to see a larger project Yeah, I would love to see us getting new plaques and with with a new logo and the rebranding, but that's just me Um, we don't have to like dig into that endeavor, but it's something to think about because that would take relatively Uh, we can meet via zoom. I mean, that's something that we could decide So that's something to think about. Maybe we could put that on the agenda for next month Okay Yeah, sounds good Anybody feedback on that? Have you all I mean, I noticed Andrea was shaking her head about some of the plaques are in randy too They're looking a little bit 1994 or five ish a couple places Okay, great Oh, this is some of them are missing completely Yeah Yeah, or they're Yeah, there are a few that are in sari shape the one the places that I would didn't show that. Okay, great Let's put that on the agenda for next month. And maybe if we want a task force or maybe we could just Take a look at our plaques and our maintenance reports I saw if you would like me to Engage maybe internal graphic design and see if somebody wants to take a stab at it So you could See something or we can just bring it up next time Well, we could do that if you would like to and I don't know if that requires a motion or not If we outsource it then maybe Why don't between now and then I'll reach out and see if we have the resources for it and if we do not Then I'll let you know at the next meeting and we'll bring it back See, this is what happens when you brainstorm and you make people think about they're like, oh, wait Well, that plaque needs to be replaced. Well, wait, there are many pieces of plaques could use a little work so thank you all right, so this is speaking of Sad things let's talk about the ninth and alpine project Luckily, it's not a sad conversation. It's a happy conversation because the folks With sonar creative division are working with the city and so I made that connection and Right as for now. It's it's on its way. So that's good. And in the meantime, I got a sketch for The remediation which I will share with you Granted I will say that I don't think when Patrick and hunter We're looking at it. I don't think that they were looking at the palette Of the existing work, but they assured me that it will not be pastel And completely clash with what is existing there that this is to be evocative of color contrast of of design for look and feel And then they will when they get there they'll go in and and match colors and And work with the palette that exists. So ignore the easter egg kind of color And if you would like I can show you also Some photos of This is you see that that's patrick where the Where the transition spot will be ish So we'll we'll Don't see it. Okay. Hold on Let me try again Does this new sketch incorporate the animals that are there? Animals will stay That wasn't a part. Luckily that was not a part of the damage. So can you see that part? Yeah So this is the inside And it doesn't even look like that anymore really There's very little figure Of the of the rolling hill if you will That's pretty much gone now But this this line is the inside line of where It will start and then Why it's making me This is can you see that? That's where it it exits on the outside Which is great because Cindy to your point From this line to the right is the elk and the elk is actually in very good shape The mallard needs a little bit of touch up, but very little and they will include that as well So the goal is to get the primer Gentlemen hired to get in there as soon as possible Let our friends in parks know that it's going to happen I'll hire barricades To close down pull the right-of-way permit And then uh, we're going to get to it really at the end of this month early next month So we will be putting the the the stuff on it Lack for lack of professionalism there the the thing the stuff on it right away Before the barricades come down that will protect it Yep Okay, that was one of we had a leg in that I think that was one of our errors is that there was a lag quite a long lag between The the mural being put up and then the the preventative Stuff that you put on it Yeah and uh, luckily the mural shield which Noah Shake your head. Yes. I think that we agreed that we're going to try Try this one I'm going to try this one Because it's what Mike really prefers. He's the graffiti specialist Uh, and I think I'm going to ask the the gentleman who does the primer Uh, if I can hire him out so he can just Be on site and as soon as the section that Pat and hunter are working on is done Then we just we just take care of it right then and there rather than relying on Something else. So it's a bit of a domino uh project But I I anticipate it being done very quietly and very quickly Do you need anything from the commission as far as Approval probably Yep, so it's going to be uh, it's going to be volunteer shifts for sure So once we nail down exactly what dates Uh, I would love to have a commissioner on either side during working hours basically Just fielding questions um And you know that it took a long time to get here, but we're fixing it and we're protecting it and Excuse me, and um will the do we anticipate that the weather will cooperate? You're in colorado, no, uh That's part of the reason Excuse me part of the reason that the timeline Is so up in the air Is because it has to be warm Mm-hmm So if um, it's looking good, then we'll be good So we'll need volunteers at some point and then we can probably pass around the volunteer list or you'll ask for those um, my second question would be We've already I mean everything's good. You've got the funding to take care of everything. We're all ready to roll on it Yep, we're under contract with him already. So excellent. It's um It's really your approval of this design Um If I can get back to it. Can you see that? Oh not yet Why doesn't it change when I change my screen? So because you have to go to a different screen on your you have to go You have to click on the share screen again and then click on the little blue thing Highlighted it again. I've only learned this the hard way Uh, sorry Everything's different. Um So while you're doing that, I just want to say a lot of hard work went into this angela you get lots of kudos for this Yeah, it's been a bear. It's um, you know I understand but uh the fact that we have that the artist is agreeing to continue this project is a big one So thank you but yeah I mean the the picture is up so we can see it now And you said it would not be the pastel easter egg colors. Is that what you're You know, I like it as long as it's Yeah, what does everybody else think? Well, I I would like to see the artwork of what's up there that we're keeping side to side before we make Before I make a decision Yeah, is that possible? Yep, um What why don't Um, can we table this for just a minute and yeah the next thing while I scramble real quick It's a block from my house. Do you want me to run down and no, I got it It's just gonna take me a minute. All right. No worries. Thanks. All right, then we'll table that while angela looks um And we're going to talk about new moon Five I believe uh by raven swanson um And that's me too, but I can talk. Okay. Well, we can I don't look all weird. Do I look weird while I'm looking? No, you don't look weird but we can like, um, we can like Talk about something else while you don't look weird. No, you're fine. So, uh, the total for raven to come out and look at the work Um prep for the installation Do the restoration of the sculpture what she said would take about three hours The truck and the equipment for the grinder the generator and basically taking those pieces off on site She totaled Just under 500 dollars, which is Pretty awesome She thinks the 100 percent that it should be Something that can happen on site No reason to de-install Uh, we were totally wrong on the powder coating piece of it. It really is Taking a look at it. She did also say that she thinks that those welds to the the footer are very secure so, uh That's really helpful as well Do we need to have a motion on that at all or are we good to go? Yes, we need to approve the funding up to some amount Um, I mean, I can't imagine that she's going to go over Again, her bid was was just under 500 dollars I think we should probably say 700 or 800 maybe just you know, I just I'm learning It's better to to be able to have to go forward because often we've had to come back and increase things. So I mean Does anybody want to make a motion to do up to a certain amount? I'll motion to do over 800 to do 800. So up to 800 for this project for this project Okay, I'll second. Okay. Let's make sure though. We don't have any discussion before because I keep forgetting that part that we have to talk about stuff It's kind of straightforward, isn't it? I think so. Okay, great. So we have Pamela moving and then Aaron seconding um, all in favor Oh, I can't see that all opposed Okay, my husband's yelling at my dog. So I'm going to meet myself for a second Great. All right. Wonderful. So that one's easily done um, so Duly noted that we will We would like to put in our budget that we would go up to 800 dollars for this That doesn't mean you can say hey, they'll give you Uh, $300 more or $250 more, but yeah, great great great. Okay. Um So while she's still looking are you are you still looking a little bit friend? Yeah Okay, so then we can move on to um, we need to gather enough people Um, um site review and that would be Cindy. So Cindy you're on Angela and I went and looked at the sculpture which was much bigger than I remembered it being but It's been a while since I've tried to make it move. Um, it's really, um The scale part the platform with the weights under it are in a giant cement bunker And the pole with the mobile on it is 10 yards 15 yards down The bank towards the water and the bushes have grown up so much there that we couldn't tell if it was in the water or not So we discussed a lot of things some of which was Move it to uninstall it and then reinstall it when the Army Corps and engineers is over or put it in a different park and we uh decided all of that was Too difficult and would leave Isaac if we put in another park it would leave Isaac Walton kind of bear of artwork so Once we decided to leave it there and move it We walked around down the causeway and back and looked at four different sites that were Can you guys still hear me because I've completely frozen up here? Yeah, okay We looked at four different sites that were possible. Some of them One of them looked good But the background was the cement factory and another one way out at the end of the causeway look good, but There's the power lines overhead and that might be an issue So we made a whole list of questions to ask uh, steve and maybe the artist too Um, angela, did you get a chance to do any of that? Can you guys still hear me? Yeah, okay. Um, I mute it. No, I'm not Not me. I can still talk. Sorry. Um, yes. I did ask steve. No, I have not heard back and once Let's say I'd shared those images with you, but I have other images up Um, I think that's a big thing. Andrea when we went to visit You were out of town in santa fe and laura wasn't able to meet us So I think uh, since you're on that task force Uh, I can send you the image of the location while we wait the locations While we wait to hear back from steve and maybe in some amount of time you can go out and visit And see if you think that this is even feasible possible as well. Um It's going to be a very It's going to be a very large undertaking I don't know who is Is and is not familiar with that work, but Obviously it has some sort of hydraulic component The encasing that the the mechanics are in has a wooden top like it's going to need to be rebuilt So so getting the right place is going to be absolutely 100 key And and seeing if it's even possible on the causeway before we go too far down the road of getting the artist involved So, um, I'll nudge steve yet again. I have a couple of things I need to nudge him about But maybe that'll keep us still moving and cindy I don't know if you and andrea can meet separately or take that walk Andrea be happy to meet you there whenever it's convenient for you Sure, and I we I can point out the the sites that we looked at Sure, just email me after the meeting. Okay, and um one more question Angela, do you think that we would have to completely destroy that bunker? I remove it from where it is. We're going to build a new one. We're going to have to build a new one But Will we be able to leave part of that in place or are we going to have to completely destroy it? With the very few conversations that steve and I have had uh It's it it really is the army corps of engineers that's going to come in and and so I don't know what they're plan is and what's necessary um But the last that we had spoken about the the new location was just to be assured that Someone could get off from the bike path Uh and riding their bike around with their friends and gather enough people because that's the goal So he may even come back and say Yes, it needs to move but maybe it just needs to move, you know 50 yards or 50 feet or you know, it may not need to be as far of a move I just don't know. I just don't know So but keeping it in the same park makes it makes sense to me because it is going to be quite an undertaking One of the biggest things we have to find out is whether or not the Mobile pole part Can actually go in the water And who would we find that information out from Cindy? I'm guessing either it's either steve or the artist. I think it's the artist. Yeah Okay, he's gonna know the guts and uh my intern The last time we spoke uh, we were hoping the intern could actually come into the office But then she's a cu student so she could not but now she's back. So that's great. Um So digging into the physical files of the work. It was a very very early work in the collection. So hopefully there's some um A better term the guts, right that some sort of Of image of what the guts look like but whatever we're going to have to like dig a big trench and put cables and Everything so it is going and plus building this big cement bunker. It is going to be very expensive Yeah Yeah It for maintenance and that's that's why so So cindy and andry are you are we you going are we gonna have a like a figure that the commission's gonna have to approve Is that something and i mean is that i don't know going forward. Is that something that we need to To make a motion again I think that that that the cost is not going to we're not going to know that imminently It's going to be several months before we find that out We'll have to get a structural engineer. Yeah artist. Okay, perfect No, thank you for your hard work on that. It's really awesome. Thank you Okay, I have some in um images, but they're really renderings But it's the best that I can find without being in the office. So Hey, and feel free to send those to us. I mean if we needed to do well, we want to get a vote on this So you're right never mind I can I can send some but this is at least just this is an idea and is the palette. Can you see that? Yes I can't see anything. So this is the the palette is this very vibrant not pastel um Very royal purple And I think that that's where they're getting with the other sketch Is that they're going to be these complimentary and then Delicate shades From one to the next um, I personally read the dark mountains on the sketch as um As like night kind of coming in let me pull that back up for you. Oh, we want side by side Let me see what I can do with side by side Can you still see that other one though? Yes Okay, I'll do side by side. All right. Hold on. Just give me a second While angela is looking what do y'all think? I like it much better than the other one I think it's beautiful. I do too. I love the elk and The mountain I really like it Any other any other feedback You don't have to like it you can express how you feel That's what we're all about. I I think it's pretty cool and considering those of us I know there's a couple of us that have been here from the beginning on this and boy That it's it's so nice to see such um Productive folk Yeah, the the vibrancy is really nice And angela is already volunteered to not only barricade but to put a tent out And we'll all take shifts To sleep by it until we get that protective coating up so who's in on not teasing Campfire stove hotel Well, I could said that it's like three blocks through my house So I mean you could at least take a shower and use the restroom if you needed to Thanks, um angela for digging through all this. I know you didn't plan on having to do this tonight. So thank you No, it's okay. I'm just having a really hard time with the side by side. Okay, so um, it's what I'm hearing is a whole lot of nothing which means that I think that at this point We need more assessment of the of the sketch Uh, not fair I wouldn't mind you um bringing now that I've seen this picture again If you could bring up the old one. I know you can't do it side by side, but this is at least fresh on my mind I'm just curious. I'd like to see the other one again Sorry guys if no, you're okay monopolizing here No, you're fine. Oh, you're great. You are fine. So Okay, here's one more thing that I found really quickly Before so the old so from that rendering so here's some actual color. Mm-hmm. Um I'll give you a little bit of idea of what actually is so Very vibrant vibrant You know primaries I'm I'm also looking at the the lines. So like the you've got a lot of a lot of uh, kind of Pyramid lines and and triangles and I'm wanting to compare the lines as well. I think the colors will be fine. I'm concerned about these lines here Um, whether or not they kind of blend in with the old because you're basically putting this new Into the old right and trying to blend the two murals together This does look a little more flowy. Right. That's my concern And does that grass motif show up anywhere else in the existing work? No, I think that maybe is what's throwing it. It's got that more of that like bendy fluid thing going it kind of like, yeah Let me grab the email that the artist wrote So you can hear from their lips the Idea Are you able to see right now the um The grass is that working? Yes. Okay. Let's see if I spell hunter's name, right? She would say Okay, he says Uh, thank you for your updates We have blocked out the last week below is the mock-up for both walls. So This piece again Not one straight wall, but half of it on one side half of it on the other Uh, we might tweak a few things switch some colors out here and there Uh, I think it will bring space nice energy nothing about flowy. Yeah, so the flowy clouds are definitely new As well as the grass I do think that there were some more bubbly clouds in the original Uh, but I'm not finding any image of those because they're inside They're inside the underpass if you will Like does have the straight blue lines on the end Which will blend into the existing work And I just think this would be great inside and also No, I think it would be great. I like it Same I'm uh, I'm not a fan of these placeholder colors But if it is a more of vibrance kind of technicolor experience, I would enjoy that a lot Yeah, I agree Andrea, I totally understand your concern, um, but I I just want to say that I also trust Patrick like he's going to make this a uh, like comprehensive composition, um, he's he's certainly not going to mess up his own work of art and So I'm I'm glad that you're pressing the issue, but I I really do trust Patrick to make sure that it I totally agree Kim And I think that we worked with Patrick so much in the previous lifetime of this that Um, he's if he's back. He's dedicated Well, and he had an opportunity he had an easy opportunity to get out of this project if he didn't want to go forward with it Um, I'm with noa too. I the vibrancy is really important I do have one more question. Is this just going to be like the first 15 feet into the North part of the tunnel on each side or is it going to go all the way through? Nope, just the north part it will uh, then blend with the rest of the mural and, um Yeah, I guess it would sort of look like going from mountains to prairies I think so a little bit too um I had another thought and I forgot but yes, so that that north that north side of it and also the mallard Uh and the elk are on that north side coming in so The other thing and I'm gonna, you know, be real honest with you about how this goes is just because the sketch Is coming to you and we approve this work to move forward If it is finished and not sufficient, you do not have to accept it and we can continue to work on it so, um There is that piece as well if you would also like another sketch that is more evocative of, um What those transition points are going to look like we absolutely can go back and ask for that. I can say yes, I I do want this to finish because I personally want it to finish but also To be done right. I trust patrick But if the commission's feeling is that you need to see more before moving forward And we need to push the finish of this to um to the spring. That's fine. We could also Go ahead and prime the section that will be um eventually painted Um We could do that too. So there's discussion options here Uh, and I would maybe ask that he at the very least get the matching colors before we make a decision Angela, I mean, I know you've worked so hard on this and I'm like kim pointed out. Um We have very limited time as far as the weather goes. I mean, this is something that we What is our timeline on this if we want to get it going? Um, we don't have You know, it could be today is 58 tomorrow 65 saturday 74 I mean, what do we need to do as far as weather goes because he has limited time to get this done Are we going to wait? Um until spring I would hope not Me too I I would you know, it would be nice if we could see the actual color palette that he was going to use for this part Um, I don't know how fast he could get that to us That we could certainly see it Before our next meeting and then, you know, just give input to Angela on it How does the commission feel about doing something electronically? If if he can if he can get that to us sooner than later I'm asking artists to do things rapidly is not a really fair thing to do but maybe if If angela's simply requested. Hey, could you give us a little more Uh detail on the color for this? Um, and then we had that in hand. What do y'all think of that? That would be fine with me And if he if we just got sent a sample of it, that'd be fine And then we could all let angela know how we feel about it Well, and technically what we would probably need to have a vote but my feeling is also that I'm with kim and those of us. I think several of us were on this project He's very reliable and anybody who's willing to come back into their own work. Um, if you talk about Ethos, he's got good will and he's got background. He's really proven to us that he's he's dedicated to this project. So I completely understand that he needs to get there and And color match the colors that are there already. I mean, it's not like he just has those laying around So, I mean, I understand that he has to he has to color match it. I'm I wonder a little bit If this will be a shocking transition from the rest of the tunnel to this part to outside and maybe Well, I'd have to yeah, I'd have to see it maybe like a few more Grass leaves on the old one on the old part. I don't know Yeah, if he's gonna go ahead and try to get the colors closer to where they were Maybe we could ask him also to put The elk and kind of attach it all together. I mean, he can do that. It's a just a Something electronically that he can do so that we could see the whole thing and then we get an idea If it's going to be too much of a contrast from the old and the new And if if time's an issue that which is understandable because of the weather, you know, maybe we can vote on this be an email As soon as he gets it together We can vote right away You also do have a mural task force and if the commission would like to yield its Uh formal opinion and give the task force the authority to approve You can do that as well That may be faster and more efficient I would think so. I I do know that Yeah, I think that's a good idea, but you all would have to agree because Uh, the mural task force is like mural. This has been such a Not trying but like as as kim said this project has like taken a lot of heart and soul from Many people particularly angela. So I don't want anybody to feel like We're skipping over them To get this project done, you know No, I I think that How many people are on the task force? Four four see I I would trust for people to Make that decision and you're always welcome to join the task force Sure, I would do this is something that this is if you're really vested in this and something you really care about Feel free to join that and maybe um angela and I can work to see if we could See How rapid are you thinking angela? I know this is kind of a stepping stone for you. What what would you like our timeline to be? Um, I would go back to hunter tomorrow and ask how fastly how fastly It's a good word quickly Um a rendering could be turned around. I can say um that I know that Patrick will be off his feet very soon because the weather is changing and I think he has some personal deferred maintenance that he's taking care of so um Um I think that if we have to deviate from the timeline of the end of this month To something else like we will uh, it won't happen until spring and that's okay, and that's okay um So without without knowing how fast they can turn a rendering around Um, but I would say if we if we can't get it something done by monday We're probably pushing it. Okay, so then my question to the commission is um Does anybody support us just moving forward? Interesting patrick That's what I was about to say. I'm not sure who said it first But I I agree that I would trust the artist patrick to to do his best work Um, kind of on his own volition. I don't Really feel like like this is a good enough mock-up that we can kind of picture what it's going to look like in her heads and I think in the uh In The interest of of time and just getting it done I think we should just give him the freedom to do what it is and uh, you know stand by to to help with the work And those of us who are on the commission. We worked we really worked hard to get this started and going and looking at mock-ups and Commissions and I mean, I think we really worked hard and we trusted him. So I personally and I think a couple of you may feel this way I feel comfortable with trusting the artist because we often trust artists and then we judge their work after it's completed So I think that we're vested in this. I'm happy to say that but we would need a motion for that To say any should we make a motion on it and just see If I don't know how you want to word it, but just say those in favor of letting the artists take care of it moving on um for the sake of time weather and The project is rolling along and we're so close. It's like, ah, don't don't leave it till spring Um, is that something we should do or not? I don't miss angela So if in the motion, we are just assured that we are accepting The sketch is presented with The elements for cohesive element Like to include cohesive elements and then also consideration of color so that you preface it because again When the final comes back to you you need to approve it for final payment And so as long as the motion reflects that you are not approving this exact sketch. So then I can use the motion Give it to the artist. Uh, so then he has a foundation to work from of your expectations That would be perfect and I think that you know, we really we approved his work and everything we did We really based it on not a lot of um If y'all remember back that it wasn't a lot of preface. We didn't have a lot to go on Um, and we trusted him and I think saying now. Well, guess what Patrick? We don't trust you um Is also kind of undermining his hard work and the mere fact that he agreed to come back and fix this Um to me is showing that um, he's dedicated to this work. So we would need a motion. I can't make that motion um Don't feel like you're obligated to vote on a motion if you don't agree with it. Um, that's fine But um, we would need a motion from someone to say Uh, yes, or I motion that we will go forward with the artist Making his final decision or um, how would we phrase this better? Um What about something like um, um We're we're making motion on accepting the artist sketch. Um, that would in Actuality have um cohesive fluid blending colors The end What we're saying is we trust Patrick, right? Right. So I think what angela was saying is that she wants it to include the motion So which uh to include that the colors the fluidity the Blendingness of the murals Um are acceptable to everyone at the end product and oh in the motion. I'm assuming that's what you want said Angela Needed to the artist. That's all I'm saying And I also know that patrick. I mean he he dealt with a lot of community members and kids and people and um He was very open while we were creating this those of you who came down to ninth and alpine I think randy was there weren't you there randy? Yeah You could just say you were it was back in the old days. That was the other randy No, and it was I mean we all sat out. It was really hot and we sat under a tree And then we went and painted and then we'd come back and sit under the he was really so sweet and he worked with members of the community and The one thing he said is you know this I don't know if we're fairly representing the demographic here But people really came and wanted to do it so So Susan I have this on recording with what you just said. Can I just capture that and you say that's that motion So You want me to make a motion? Yes, please So, um, I'd like to make a motion to accept the artist sketch That it would in the end be cohesive and fluid with blending colors to the rest of the existing mural And period A second Um, and that's fair enough all opposed I can't see everybody so i'm looking down Okay, all in favor All right Okay, let's say it again all in all opposed All abstain Okay, thank you everyone. It looks like the motion passes um And taking me into consideration those of you who are questioning this we still have a final approval to look at um, so I understand your hesitation in this um But I think that um, we're not we're trying to really We hire this artist and I think that you know when we hire an artist We're trusting them to do things that we wouldn't necessarily, you know, we look at this little box Like think about even just our simple little shock boxes We we have a little box and we trust them to do it the way that we think that they're going to do it And I and also this has been a very um backwards way of going about a project So even even with all of the challenges then there just have been additional so I wouldn't say that this is a cookie cutter mural project by any By any sense so But thank you. So, um I I will do my best to get uh needless to say I will still do my best to get some renderings and things to you to see in advance Even with this motion on the table or um with this language And I might ask angela if not only showing us the renderings but if you have concerns And you don't feel really comfortable about what what happened. There's I know You know, I'm up in the air too. Please let angela know and I'm sure she's willing to talk to the artist and say You know, we approve the motion. We're really hoping that you will consider this or we're really hoping you will consider that Yeah, anybody ever I mean, of course the motion's approved but I mean, I'm sure angela and I knowing knowing patrick. He's willing to consider our our concerns I'll just add I think too that I again, I really do understand people's um reservations But of all the people involved in this process He is the one who is most vested in that thing looking fantastic So he's got a lot of his own personal Reputation and everything else invested in this project and so he's going to make it look as good as it possibly can Thanks, cam. I totally agree with you and you've been With this on square one. So yes Okay, awesome. I know that's This is one of those that I don't know like I said, this is my neighborhood So it kind of tears my heart strings too and I know a few other commissioners were like the same way with things that happened in their neighborhoods, but Pretty important. Okay. So we've already Cindy's done her thing. So we are now on to number eight, which is our administrators report by the one and only angela Just a couple of quick things. Um We do have three vacancies and the application is open So I am going to be sending it to you Um, especially some of you who are going off this year or in the in the near future I know I'm sorry, Amy Um, if you wouldn't mind sending it around we actually have one shock art it shock art artist Who is interested which that's really exciting? I would love to see Uh, maybe youth represented as well and just thinking about diversifying our our commission Some of the volunteers who came to the tony ortega mural were interested and so I'll be Sending this application to them. So again, the more outreach that we can do that's how we fill these vacancies. So Um, I'll be sending that along Can I note also that I want you all to start thinking about uh future leadership? um chair vice chair, uh Ranny Some of you that I've shared with many of you. I'm done. I can't be on here anymore After next year, which seems like a long time away, but it's only really like eight months. So If you are interested in being chair um Think about it. It's it's so much fun to be with this group and um It's it's good stuff. So I think I've talked with a couple of you, but Don't hesitate to do it because I know that there are a bunch of leaders in this amazing group So we would need a chair. We need a vice chair We um unless randy wants to step forward because often that look at randy. She's like shush Shashimi but think about that too while you're thinking about sending this application out think about where you belong on this commission Um, think about what you would like to see this commission do I think that you all see it and I what I've been fascinated is that we actually have a pretty common vision For things which has been really exciting and I think um, we owe Angela a huge thank you because she's got it together Even if she can't find her images sometimes. She's totally got it together and so organized Okay, keep going Angela. I just wanted to plug that in and now I'll mute myself That's awesome. So that's the big thing. The second thing is we do have a relocation Of a work that we need to take care of You within your collection our collection the city's collection have a beautiful piece By an artist. Hopefully you can see that. Oh, yeah Can you see that yes or no? Yes, yeah, okay great. Uh, it is called blue mile by armando oliver ol alvarez alvarez alvarez um, it's 46 by 60 which is pretty big To be in the museum above the water fountain and that space has Tended to lend itself to exhibition Uh pieces so I was hoping that as and forgive the the background That's the racking if you will them in the museum where it's being stored right now So the piece is the blue piece not the corn cob stuff on the side um Hoping that folks who will be looking at space for the new work that you just purchased from the firehouse Will also be considering a new home for this Uh, so this is a textile or a painting It is a it's oil. Okay. It's just okay It does have quite a bit of texture. That's true. Yeah, it really does and almost looks like a textile But yeah What's the measurements? It's 46 by 60 So it's quite large So as we go through our our daily lives or you go to pay your electric bill or If the task force who's looking for a new home for the other work would like to consider this or We could have a subcommittee just specifically for this painting Uh, there's no rush It but it's just in storage and it's not on display, which is tragic in my book. So Yeah anyone have a strong feeling about Finding this place a home or oh, yeah The two-dimensional folks who will be doing some research Susan Horowitz you know Yeah It's a very nice piece. I could see I do very much like it, but I don't know Uh, we're I can't I think the place off the top of my head where it should go. Yeah Yeah, but that's why we have to look We'll just try and figure something out Because it should be seen Okay, so I think rather than opening up a new subcommittee for one painting. Maybe we just start with the Uh, kind of the investigation of city walls and spaces What's the name of this piece? blue mile Okay All right. Well that is that's going to be a that'll be a a big one and very exciting as well Is that kind of representative of the Longmont Mile that they you know when they first Made the city the blue they it was just a mile In size is that what it's kind of representing? you know Eileen can you speak to any of the information from the collection file on this one? It is my understanding that it is kind of a representation of that mile by mile plot that Longmont It was right originally was um He is the same artist that did the arches on Main Street, and so I think um, he did have a lot of Exposure to that map Uh, and so yeah, I see the same thing but it's Right, you know the right the plaque um right by st. Stephens plaza on the in the ground Is the Longmont? Mile the first blueprint of the historical uh Plat of Longmont in I think 1871 So I think that's what I see as well. That's probably the connection between Longmont and that piece and just for reference This piece was hanging in the civic center Before the civic center remodel began and then was moved to the museum for safekeeping and put above the water fountains And we just you know now it's in storage at the museum and uh Yeah, it would be nice to get it back out Any other feedback on that that's something that we might want to work on Uh, yeah, it should definitely be seen And I don't know if the committee that's already doing the 9th street My voice is going. I'm sorry That committee that's doing 9th and Alpine should look at it too I don't know if that's necessarily a cross um because this is more of an indoor That's true. Yeah, it is definitely indoor So two-dimensional indoor um, I think that's something that The firehouse people should do well. Well, no not necessarily. Well, no, I don't want me to say no, but this is something that While we're looking for our firehouse project The project that we're purchasing from the firehouse, what do we call this actually I need a title Angela, no, I do I do too and uh I don't think that it maybe has a proper title because it was an altarpiece We could call it the altarpiece for now You know 1980 disaster in longmont was like our first it was our first big cultural Boom in longmont. Um, so we could call it the altarpiece so so those of you who are looking We are looking a couple of us are looking for places for that that would be the place to come Maybe look for this Maybe that's a location subcommittee or task force rather than Maybe it's something that's permanent that we need to have a task force or subcommittee that looks at locations When we have things come up in the middle of the year Susan I'm on that task force. We're what we're calling it now the altarpiece I think we easily can Keep in mind that we have this beautiful piece called blue Nile And so it can certainly be in the forefront of Both things that we're looking at and A big deal Unless we just can't find a spot Andrea I saw your your mic went off. Did you have feedback on that? Oh, I was only going to say I don't Angela Kind of recommended above the water fountain in the museum So just keep that in mind when you make a decision to keep that in mind. It's one of the possibilities Um, and this is kind of a strange marsha might be able to answer this question As far as the remodel in the civic center space goes Um, do you think that that might be an opportunity for us to go look around? And see what spaces are available for us to place art just in a general fashion Um, I think the answer is yes and then um The civic center um I don't think that in terms of interior design. There's been much of a remodel, you know, it's looks like it always has um And uh, it's just structurally sound now But it the building is open, you know, the Portion is open. So there's certainly nothing preventing anyone from going and looking around Well, that's something that our task force can do susan and everyone plus uh susan Finish on that task force Noah susan and Amy Andrea To I want to be on it and randy. Okay Andrea's you're muted friend I'm just curious if marsha martin has any ideas. That's what I just asked her. Yeah No, she said that that everything's open that we could go look right right Yes, but um Uh, a lot of the art that was displayed there now is down, you know so like there was a quilt from the northern arapahoe and that's down and and um There was a painting from art in public places in the stairwell a kind of a three-dimensional Uh cityscape and that's down Because it would have been damaged by all the dust and so on Marsha, do you know who's responsible for putting that back up? So we might be able to oh miss angela brill Of course we have to be on that task force too sister Well, I think maybe I can connect you with uh, michelle gomez with the city clerk's office And she would be a good person knowing the timeline of the civic center Uh, because I don't know the status of the quilt and eileen. I'm looking at you But I don't think that's at the museum So that makes me think that there are other objects that might uh Have have placeholders So we'll want to be sure that a space that you're identifying for new work is indeed available So we'll connect the task force with city colleagues Prior to a site visit Excellent. Okay. Good. All right. So task force will get together and we'll start picking on people without having to bother our commission people so Susan would you like to chair that task force? This is to find locations for the altar and for the blue nile. Is that what you're doing? Okay. All right. Thank you for being well and told. That's awesome. Um anybody else, um Do you have anything else in your administrator report? Oh, that's it. Okay. So wow. We are into number nine new business and we still have 16 minutes I'm going to be really quick. But uh, I have some just Absolutely fascinating and exciting news. Uh, I connected with wane tomak, which His role exactly Uh splits itself between community services and sustainability And uh, he is the neighborhood representative I don't know. It's his exact title, but he is a all about working with our neighborhoods that are connected through the Neighborhood group leaders association, which is called ngla. Is anyone in this room A part of or know that your neighborhood may or may not be involved in ngla? That is really interesting to me We have 55 neighborhoods in Uh longmont who are all a part of this very inclusive group Where a neighborhood comes together? Uh joins this group and rather Uh than being an hoa, which is very exclusive. This is a very inclusive group and by participating Uh, they attend meet monthly meetings. They have one to three representatives from from their neighborhood And uh, it really is about empowering neighborhoods to understand their kind of micro community within the larger community And the options available to them is to be able to do neighborhood improvement projects The nip projects have been going on for some 20 years and believe it or not Uh, there have been one or two times when an art in public places and a neighborhood improvement project Could have come about and and have a marriage But they never really worked out. So Without getting too into the weeds about the way that their grant project works We have two Grant opportunities that are going to be coming to us that is to say that two different neighborhoods Have applied for a neighborhood improvement project that would include art in public places So I am on a little bit of a learning curve here. I absolutely will 100 percent Ask for a task force as soon as I understand a little bit more But uh, just a quick brief of the timeline Uh folks put their grant applications together Uh in the summertime They are submitted by a time in september Then wane goes through them and kind of combs out the details of what these neighborhood Leaders need to do to refine and present a final refined document in january They're awarded in march and then their neighborhood improvement project needs to be completed by the end of that fiscal year So we have again two that are going to be coming to us Um to see how art in public places Can assist with uh with these um Yeah projects, so just wanted to get it on the agenda again. I don't have a ton of details right now um, but think about uh, if you would if you're interested in seeing how um Project management kind of comes about from start to finish And and sit in with me on that especially through this very established Think about that task force is something that you That you might want to to join so yep, stay tuned for more of that And that is all I have for real I hope I have work left tomorrow. No, you did. No, you did really really really really really well. Okay You're so impressive miss angeles. I lied. I have one more thing. Um executive committee was supposed to meet on the 8th but we had um had some Uh difficulty in getting all together in the same place. So now it's the 22nd So you'll also hear executive committee business next month and that is all And I take some credit for that. I had to be in a zoom and then we wanted to meet Yeah, so thank you angela for coordinating all that. Okay, so we are on to the Number 10 no number nine any new business that we need to take up From the commissioners. I think angela brought up quite a bit of new business any other new business. I think yes randy Not really new business, but it's more commissioner comments Are we can we well we're we got that number 10? Let's go new business and then we'll go to number 10 I'm teasing. I don't know anybody have any new business. They want to bring up I know no one I are looking at presenting something next month um Any other new business that we want to bring up? I do want to like put this in your mind and this is you know Who I am So usually in december we don't have a formal meeting We have a um a a professional gathering that includes white elephant gifts and um So next month or actually we're supposed to vote it on it this month But we will need to vote if you want to have that gathering. I know with covet um things are different and um We can have our normal december meeting. I'm just going to put it in your head um We usually have a holiday party where we have white elephant gifts, but it's a whole new gamut So I don't want any I want you to spin it around in your head if you're interested in having a socially distanced safe uh holiday party in lieu of our meeting That's cool. If you don't want to we can have a regular meeting. We could maybe do a zoom slash happy uh elephant meeting We could show our favorite elephant gifts over the years. Just put that in your mind and then we'll talk about it next month I know it's not that important of an agenda item, but it's something that I've looked forward to for the last five years That I've been on the commission Andrea was so gracious and she hosted it last year. Um, so I don't know what our our Change will be Things change quite rapidly and it's usually well attended. We usually have invited all of our alumni Is that the right word former commissioners? um And that's something to think about so that's my new business, but we won't bring it up Let it spit in your head for a little bit any other commissioner comments um randy you had one or I think I will save it for the executive committee just to bounce it up to you guys first. Okay, excellent Anybody else have any comments? Yes, miss angela I also did ask about the I realize it's not on the agenda the boulder boulder housing authority update and I don't have one but We would You could have faked that one But I know but I just want to let you know that it it was on my radar. I asked and um, hopefully something next month Right Okay, any other Um, I guess we've kind of combined a new business with commissioner comments Yes, randy. I'm wondering why Cindy has so much daylight coming through her window when It's a fake thing. I know I know I saw your hair move and it disappeared for a little bit I'm coming to you from hawai If you have a green screen available on your computer you too could be sitting in Cindy's library I was at the beach and my last soon And I made my husband look I look very very pale and I am very very pale I'm looking at all of you and I'm like, wow, they're not nearly as pale as I am and I haven't like done a little Thing so My lighting in my home is quite odd Um, I can come to you for mission control next time You know, I always evaporate in those Um backgrounds a marcia. I haven't really given you a chance Would you like to update us on anything that you think that city council's working on or anything that we might want to know? Um um the Uh, I'd like everyone to to know that, uh Ballot question 3d for the city of longmont and 3c are are on the ballot and Um, 3c is you know, is the water infrastructure and I think probably everyone will vote for that And it doesn't have any special bearing on art in public places but um 3d probably does because It it allows longmont to use longer terms for leasing public buildings in public land um For any purpose that matters to the city And one of the one purpose that matters to the city is Uh Creative amenities So oh for example, you know If the firehouse art center wanted to model itself with the little short leases that it has it couldn't can't do that because it couldn't Loan to do it If it wanted to make the upstairs usable for classrooms and galleries and stuff instead of being Maze of twitty twisty little passages, which is what it is now um Then the city could put together a longer lease And so everybody should know that that is something that Could benefit the arts programs in the city of longmont and tell your friends A lot of people don't understand it but Really could be essential to The economic recovery that longmont has to engineer in the next couple of years after all things have been damaged by the pandemic You're on mute and you're talking Am I on mute? No, I am and that's probably good. I'm like, oh, I put my ballot in the box today So I uh That's Andrea. I wanted to I wanted to to say that that you know that people don't understand what that was for and um The city's not allowed to Yeah, publicize, you know Um, but I um, so I thought I'd say that Thank you. I didn't understand it really so Miss Andrea I just wanted to add that there are some beautiful day of the dead exhibitions going on throughout town at the museum at the library throughout the window windows of Of businesses in main street. Um, certainly the old firehouse I have a Katrina at the old firehouse. So go look for it. It's a um, the musicians at bremen and um, just go out and explore. It's safe. There's it's not busy and go for it That's awesome Any other I mean, we've got four minutes You can change the world in four minutes, I think Noah's asleep Um, no, I thought Cindy was asleep a little while ago I think she was meditating on what we were talking about. I keep nodding off. I didn't sleep at all last night Okay, we go out and we see Pamela Um, I have no comments, but I do want to yes, randy. No, I was saying we could finally see Pamela Okay, good Who's on mute and talking but that's okay Somebody's really cute. That's all I heard Oh, she's on mute. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, okay Awesome, um, please. Thank you so much. This is really good work tonight. I think so. What do you think angel? Yes, I'm very excited to get with executive committee and start really, uh, hammering out A strategic plan so we can take a lot of these ideas Start using the charter start using some forms. Uh, really, you know, that will really help me and I'm very much looking forward to that So I'm I'm sorry that we had to delay And I'm fine with you stretching that paperwork stuff out until May end of May Good organizing things. So thank you. No, this has been great. Um, I just want to thank you all for your dedication I know that the covet is really real hard thing to do sitting in a zoom I've been in meetings since 7 30 this morning and I know my eyes are starting to hurt and I'm tired um Looking at my friends and squares. It's not nearly as Fun as like passing little notes to each other and around the table in the kaiser room So I wanted to thank you all for your dedication. It's great to see some of your faces frances Um, haven't got to see you for a while and I know it's just wonderful to have you here. Um, so, um, with that being said At 7 58 we need to have a mo movement to adjourn Don't drag it out to 759 adjourn aipp On thursday october 15th at 7 58 p.m. No, you can second if you want a second. All right all in favor All right, we will see you next month and um executive committee. Let's we'll see you on the 22nd Okay, thank you everyone. You're the best. Yeah, I'm happy to see you all. Bye. Bye. Take care everybody. Thank you Thank you. Nicole. Thank you. Kim. Kate. Thank you paneler You're welcome guys. Have a great evening. Great to have you here. Take care everyone. Thanks marsha Bye