Go.  You know like how was your day Rex? It was okay all right so far see it was born talk with someone else right wolf. How's your day? It's been going swell. Mm-hmm. That's boring too. Yeah. How's your day? Okay My day was amazing. I flew a dragon into it.  How do you know they're not gonna make endgame 2? Oh This is Marvel after all and Ender game Ender's game. I haven't actually seen that of you guys. It's not good.  I'm on I'm on fire today with doing things properly How good is that you guys? What you made a tweet you did a thumbnail? Mm-hmm. Oh, I should be president We go I am the best. Oh, you know what to start off I need to get these things out of the way when you left wolf There was like seven super chats in a row asking you questions.  Yes? I've got them Okay, so the first one was wolf my dad and I watched all six Middle-Earth films each year I enjoy the Hobbit films though. Lord the Rings is objectively better. How would you improve the Hobbit films? I? Would remake them completely I had a feeling that's what it would be I mean I enjoy watching them, but they're not good Is that all you want to say what about what about the one tweak you would make? What's the one biggest tweak? make it Fuck, I don't know.  This is a conversation that people have probably had unironically probably at some point Wolf that is one of the worst parts of Manga slash anime they can't just show it.  Where's a lot of movies now They're just like you can fucking figure it out on your own and come up with answers You can write the movie for it This one was from Bayowin the interstellar Marines book art was rather iridescent wouldn't you say a wolf and that's a reference to the Oh, yes. Yeah, I remember that. Yes, I I did notice that good old blessed Bayowin iridescent. Yes Rags doesn't like it Well, I can't I probably can't remember it because it was so generic and dull is a guy in speed marine man from space He's my gun a few things. That was interstellar Marines though. It's completely different This is different movies. I clearly rogue interstellar Marines. Oh, yeah, it was your first week, right? Yeah, I take all I take all credit for Joseph Anderson's interstellar Marines interstellar Marines It's a video game All right, that's definitely not it. Then you go Already read this rags No, I just kind of remember the cover. Oh Yeah, it's an extremely wrote re-swoke up from cryostasis like a second birth What Yeah, we read this on stream, I remember reading part of it with yeah, that was that's like the first Oh god, that was oh Jesus. Well, you know, sometimes when media isn't particularly Gripping you often forget it and Maybe that's a good thing. So the next one says I wasn't upset I was making a joke about him ragging on Jay when he was 25 years behind in World of Time hashtag misrepresented. So I think You Said shit about Jay for not catching up with Lord the Rings and someone said that you were behind in World of Time But they were just they were just joking Yeah This one that says world for world worlds of time except for that one place in Dr. Strange Which apparently doesn't have time for some reason. Obviously. Oh Dormammu. Yeah, it's Dormammu Wolf why won't you just love me? I Can only love one okay? People might be able to put that to defect me Wolf don't leave the fault folders getting massive The folders getting massive. I guess they're referencing to me having to write these down. I'm not sure. Oh Wolf the third Pirates the Caribbean is better than the first.  That's not yeah, I can't remember who exactly sent that but um And the beef up damn well goodbye Wolf see what I mean They just kept sending ones for one of these videos has been hit with a copyright but it's still a bit Oh, oh that wasn't for you. That was for me. I think Yes, so okay. That was it. We did it. There you go. Wolf. Yeah Pirates of the Caribbean 3 is like the citizen cane of pirate themed movies Well, why would you say that? because of the because it's the saltiest and That defines the pirate existence. I'd say it's more like the mummy 3 of pirate movies Mummy 3 of pirate movies. Yeah, the mummy 3 is the mummy 3 of mummy movies That is true. That's your opinion though Can't just go around saying shit like that dude What a terrible movie the the arrival debate video has got another copyright thing on it But it's not one that takes it away from being available apparently it said unavailable in a selection of countries There was a huge list, but apparently like I tested it.  So oh The other thing was E-fap movies So a lot of people wanted so this is this is for assuming all the people who watched E-fap movies watch this podcast as well People want us to release the full audio track or E-fap movies. The thing is that um They're a supercut of me wolf and rags reacting to movies Because a lot of the time we're going to be quiet listening to what the actual movie even has because half the time one of us hasn't seen it And then we'll make comments and maybe some jokes don't land or the pacing gets screwed up And the way that I can supercut it means all of our jokes land Mahler. Yes Without even a little hot The point is there is no original track because it's all just recorded flat like I don't have separate audio files And then the the video it's really slapdash So I do audio commentaries on my main channel with main films And I'm probably gonna do more of them as time goes on but E-fap movies It's like its own format and I feel like this isn't the last time I'm gonna have to say that But hey that hopefully that helps for people who are looking for it. It's two more on the way And Yeah, that's that's about that. So intro stuff done Welcome special guests E Colon R. That's how it goes, right? Yeah, just about Breaking no fap here. Hmm. How do you how is life? Life is good. You um, you've seen a few of these episodes that we do this insane podcast. Yeah Yeah, one or two How have you how have you been finding it from what you've seen? Too short We're trying to fix these things, you know, it's difficult But a lot of the time like rags and we'll just have to leave so we only end up with like, you know Seven hours or so and it's just like all guys. We got to start bringing provisions with us. That's true Things like bring one of those like do it while sitting on some form of a exercise bike Maybe just keep your limbs from or like keep from bed sores appearing But it's called people in case you never hear from me again, you know Here's where I am. It's like the ultimate Call the cops I keep bringing pizza for a long show but then rags tells me I'm a bad man for suit for doing that That's true. He says bad for you. Yeah, but it gets me through long things Long things bad Long things good if you have pizza. Hmm. Um circle things good. So let's Let's if we're gonna start this because we're here today to talk about a movie that came out You guys heard of it. It's it's called of Avengers Endgame.  Um, yeah, the purple one It's it. Oh, yeah, there's a big purple guy in it. So purple man good. I figure let's see How does this come on screen? There we go. Perfect. Um, I I'll I'll start with I guess getting like a Thumbs up or down for the film that's the that's a nice way of putting it and that can mean anything but um Why don't we go one at a time? Start from the left wolf thumbs up or down for Avengers Endgame Thumbs up. Oh interesting.  I don't even know actually that could mean anything to all of us So now let's do the really fun bit Give an estimated guess of what you would assume the objective Sort of ranking this one gets out of a 10 and non-committal This is a number that will probably change within the next 10 seconds minutes or hours Just um, what are you what would you give it as a number out of 10? Mr.  Oh By the way, like spoilers Oh, well, it's in the title.  Well, uh, yeah, go see spoilers go see the there's other spoilers So go see the movie if you haven't watched this podcast another time If if not, you know, there we are There's warnings in the tweet and in the title I don't know why anybody at this point, but some people don't even want to watch it, right? So and they're just like you're just talking about so Moving on from that. Yeah spoilers. What are you? What would you give it out of 10 wolf? This is objective, right? Yeah, doing your best sort of rank is a story. Oh I'm gonna go between like a five or a six Call it five point five. Yeah, that'd be a good one. Yeah Yeah, I'll go five Mm-hmm rags in the middle It's really tough because they they do a lot of time travel stuff and when and when you do time travel It's one of those weird sorts of things We're like, well, how come they couldn't do this or how come they could do this and what exactly are the specific rules? So it's really really tough to It's really really tough For now I'm gonna go with a six Because I mean is just going after one viewing I'm gonna give it a six But we'll see how that goes so far because when I was watching it. I I Couldn't think of like anything massive as I was watching it. Maybe I just missed it But I guess we'll see for me probably like Didn't want it to be so similar for everybody, but yeah, I'd probably I Feel like this could change, but it's probably a five for me I Don't know if shocking are all pretty much in the same range then yeah, which I mean looking at it Very neutrally as an average. It's like seems like most of us already agreed on exactly what we're getting from this film So why not explore why huh? Does anybody want to I mean you still probably do a counter again at the end just to see if we changed our minds at all on anything Was it better than infinity war for everybody here? No, I liked it more than infinity war All right.  I don't think it was a joke They actually I mean, I don't know about the rest of you, but I thought there was too much comedy in the movie I mean it not that it didn't land for me. I'd say most of it landed but I Felt like it took away from the serious aspects to throw jokes every couple minutes again We should probably they'll do it. We'll totally talk about Thor and everything else It's always reminding me. I should probably do a subjective take as well. That makes the most sense.  I am that's weird. I thought the I didn't really get much out of the comedy from this one There was a few things but I thought it was way less of a comedy than like infinity war was Probably agree with that, but again, we'll we'll we'll try and break it down piece by piece But uh, so what did you personally get out of it out of ten wolf? Oh? Subjectively, um, yeah Hmm, I don't know that ending pretty much Seals it for I'd say Seven seven. All right. Yeah I'm still down there at five. Mm-hmm. Mr. Rags Man, I think I think subjectively This was like a nine or ten for me I'll go at a nine point five and yeah for me It was like a nine, but it's totally gonna change as time goes on and I think about it more I already know that but I was on an emotional high for this one. All right.   Yeah, yeah But yeah, that is a mistake and that's yeah, it's mostly just well how we considered the perspective of the movie If the world is flat Would still be Africa and in the US, you know what you fucking nailed it I think this is gonna be the movie to reinvigorate the flat earth society, but uh Yeah, I kind of like the they changed it up with this one like I thought I thought I'm out of the wash totally wasted the The fading to dust ash whatever Scene it just shows it after he's in the thing It's like oh, all right, but this one I kind of like the whole you know He didn't see them when they did it sort of thing and he's just on his own. I was like, yeah, it's pretty cool Yeah, Captain Marvel does save I had bad But thank God she's barely in the movie. Oh, yeah.  I was like, oh my god. Thank you I know I'm in the theater. I was like, yes Yeah, for those for those of you who don't know first off if you haven't seen it. Why are you here, but? Yeah, um, but like Nebula gets way more screen time than captain Marvel She's actually a pretty solid character in this movie Yeah, I care for her in Guardians, but I liked her a lot dude. I care about her in Guardians Especially after yeah, I cared about her. Yeah More so in Guardians too. I barely even remember what yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah She's just introduced in the first the second one when her and Gamora hug at the end. I was like, oh, man I honestly kind of felt like this was Nebula's movie in a way Thank Like maybe obviously it's more about Cap and Iron Man, but she Um, I believe she had more screen time than the outside of Iron Man Thor and Cap and like one I remember someone doing a breakdown of it. She's got like extremely high screen time compared to others And I guess it makes sense because it's too. I think it's like 48 minutes or something Um, I don't remember the exact number, but I know what screenshot you're talking about then they did use her To be like integral to the story the way that events play out. She's very important to all of that So yes, it wasn't just like here. She is You know, there's a reason for all of it. They worked into the film But thank god very little captain marvel We'll still we'll stop talking about the pasta. She did it though. Yeah, so what I was just going to say is So like for clarification, I'm assuming Captain Marvel found Iron Man. Thanks to Dids the guys in the avengers compound tell him who they were you see here's the thing Mahler Captain Marvel as was established in the movie captain marvel Is The best at everything at all times that ever was And ever will be most likely So the fact that she was able to find a derelict spaceship in the black void of space Yeah, she can what what can't she do? If you guys remember when they're scanning through all of the people who've died and they say like yep So Thanos was successfully developed. Um Is a great shot where you see Tom Holland's face and Iron Man puts his head down when you see this It's just like, oh cool But um, they also showed nick fury and then it shows her and she reacts to it and I was like wait So is this the first time she's been back at the avengers compound? Because she came in at the end of her movie, right? I was just continuity wise. I was like she's been here before, right? Yeah, she asks where's fury. Yeah, so I'm assuming that all runs and then So and I was talking to freeing about this like so why did they send her to get Iron Man instead of just getting Thor to do it Probably because they just wanted her out of the house It doesn't I just I don't like Thematically I was like wouldn't it be way better for Thor to see, you know a disheveled and Dying Iron Man and being like this kid.  Did I have to be Marvel? Yeah, um, because they just they just He can travel faster than her too No one can travel faster than captain marvel. She's a faster stronger smarter She's not pretty You're faster further.  I think I don't know how I expected you to get the back But she literally carried it from god knows how far away to earth really Yeah, she's the look mauler. She's the best at everything that ever was Okay She's the best That ever was at everything. She's the strongest avenger But yeah, I I can't know way to complain about any of that. I just well beyond like I wish something else had happened, but it all like makes enough sense. I don't even know what her powers really are I said this before I have no idea Uh Could someone tell me like in simple vision is other than saying she's a god.  She started slow And then she worked her way up to to mega light speed As fast as the ship was able to go Which should still take her Ages to get back, but At this point we're we're trying to do we're trying to discuss the power level of captain marvel Good luck future emcee Good luck Yeah, so when I am I guess there I thought that stuff was really good like the whole I lost the kid to cap In uh pepper as well. I was like, ah nailed it Nailed all of it even though it's not really hard to do that That's actually a thought Robert Danny jr's performance in this movie. Is it not like 11 out of 10? I think it was stellar. Yeah I mean jesus He really owned it this one Well, I mean he knew this would be like his last thing man. I he just oof. He just went for it.  Yeah, and he's on the IV. Yeah, and he's like pissed Oh That that did a really good job kind of establishing the mood of where the avengers are at the moment And how a lot of people are feeling It just really set a good tone Where people kind of were seeing him like, uh So thin and Yeah, that was just like jesus christ Oh, yeah, you know, I don't know. I'm guessing they did that just so that they would not have him go after Thanos I guess because there's no There's no need for captain marvel to have taken that long to find them They could have just found them straight away. So I wonder what The intention was behind that other than to I don't know Get him to get a bit of a bond with nebula and to make him Sort of near death Um as a writing perspective, I'm not even sure of what exactly they're going for but then, you know, we The further we go on the more you'll be asking that question. Uh I quite liked that. He said You know the line from age of ultron where cap says that if we lose we'll lose together and then he says We didn't lose together. You weren't there.  I was like, oof Though Someone brought to my attention.  It's like, okay We know that's not true now at the end of this movie So why couldn't they've just opened a portal to earth while on titan? I've been like, hey, can you guys send some backup ready for when Thanos gets here? They actually say on the way in infinity war that we've got no backup. I'm just like Um Yeah, because in doctor strange the portals, you know, the portals start happening.  What am I putting him in space? Would that work? Would he die? Oh, what if he's like captain marvel One out of 14 million Choices and apparently cutting his head off wouldn't as a wouldn't be a choice I guess um So yeah, a lot of people really liked from what I could tell the whole killing Thanos like in the first 15 minutes in the movie You guys find that shocking um Shocking. Yes. I wasn't a big fan of the decision surprised a little bit but I kind of feel like That's something they would do It's clearly because they wanted to go a completely unexpected direction with the movie, right?  He's floating in space, isn't he? He's in like he's on some kind of planet But it looks like he's floating in space. I'm pretty sure he's in a sort of force the form of atmosphere I'm sure he doesn't do well with space compared unless he really is like captain marvel Which will just be sad Then again Thor survives in space. So maybe Thanos can't um I guess because the thing about Killing him immediately and he said he used the stones to destroy the stones. Was I the only person that kind of thought it was uncomfortable that the fact that stones can even be destroyed when they're supposed to be like Four elements of the universe like they destroy one in infinity war and I was always just like Possible I I'm I don't understand. How do you destroy the stones using the stones? Well, I guess the power Like because it's the power of the stones has been kind of ambiguous Um, some of them more than others But I'm down with the idea that the combination of all the stones together Can be like maybe the only thing that can destroy themselves I'm I suppose I could see that. Yeah, I'm fine with that um Because it does show like the only thing that can destroy them. You can't really destroy them using conventional means It's like a special one time Sort of something that happens I mean, we don't see it either Well, yeah, I'm but I'm I'm down I'm I'm okay with the idea that you can use all of the stones together to destroy them So they can't be used again. They didn't get to ask Thanos about why he wouldn't just give more resources to everybody I was hoping they would throw that in there Like please do it.  I didn't have a problem with it I feel like maybe they could have done something better than just a random rat Walks into it. I don't see why not have a guy who's like, yeah, we're gonna sell this thing It's like, what is it?  It would have been more It would have had the option for them to just have a more real realish seen in Would have felt like it fleshed out the world a little bit better because especially if it's just some random guy And they could have been talking about oh, how man after everything vanished things have been so weird So there's all these cars left and yeah, yeah, they could have done that It's like all the cars that you know, no one claimed after being vanished She's like, what do they do with them like they're everywhere They have to get taken care of somehow and this is one of those vehicles And then there's hey, this one's weird. It's got this weird console upon it Who's the radio and they start flicking with it and bloop Um I just I like the Alex I was watching it with the cinema the second the rat did it. He was like, oh, no I was like, oh, yeah, that's That's awkward because the thing is like the whole one out of 14 million chances Because a lot of people have been saying that that rat is what that means Even if it is like, how would Dr. Strange have any control over that? He can't know that that he can't do anything that would make it so the rat does it that time, you know what I mean So it's just like why do that? Why base the entire plot on a rat pressing a button? It's a weird thing, but Fine, you know missed opportunity.  I don't know how many people you guys probably don't really care But I hadn't manned that much, but like didn't she seem a little too old I was like if you had five years to the um the daughter Yeah, she um She's grown up well.  Uh But they actually the ages might be accurate for all I know and they one just looked old and one looked young For for their actual ages. I don't even know Uh, so what does everyone think of the whole the fact that they skipped five years? That's probably a pretty good question to have actually started on here I Like it Yeah, I have really no opinion on that Well because there's implications, right?  We're just never going to talk about that again Like can you imagine if any one government on earth lost the majority of the people in it? I mean it would definitely be a it would be like this is a a world changing most This is the most important historical event in all of you know human civilization Yeah, like world building because it's one of the conclusions I came to this film It's almost like the world of the mcu was already struggling, but I think it's just destroyed now. You can't really recover Like it's if you do a time jump that huge You need to do a lot of world building and the movie didn't really do that Yeah, I guess it depends how they how they deal with it moving forward um There's probably more to that well, maybe we try and touch on it as we as we go along but yeah the The idea being that everyone had to deal with the with the loss. It wasn't undone which by the way I like that as a benefit of the fact that they did all of this the way they did it infinity war did happen So loki did die vision did die The more is dead like everyone was calling that those would be undone, but they went Good right um Yeah, I mean it's a shame especially when you think about how much you kind of want to see You know you want to see loki.  So it's not entirely that they're all gone, but hey Yeah, I mean the gamora reset was um. Yeah, gamora's lost two movies of development. That's gonna be uh I don't know how they're gonna deal with that like redo her install old relationships like that'd be weird I wonder if guardians three is going to be set before end game or after it. Oh, yeah, I didn't think about Um, oh well, here's the thing if they have another guardians we'll get more Thor Oh god, yeah I'm so ready for that. I kind of I really want that so much. I really really Want to see that? Um Yeah, I'm trying to think of like way to sort of jump too nice.  This is the one out of 14 million. Honestly, you can't keep saying that Yeah Do do they establish it to third attempt because I can't remember.  From the conversation with ant man and black widow and captain america on the porch and everything that allows him Yeah, that that he didn't know before that it's possible. I guess Which is lame right because it's like really It it is quick that he's like, oh, okay, it's possible And he just figures it out that quick and the easy fix for this in my opinion Would be to not have killed hank pym and to have him and tony work together As a sort of like a nice little character moment for them both But also explain how two of the smartest guys on this planet could come up with it would be like, okay I can get that. Yeah. Yeah But tony just sort of does it it's like, oh Or his banner is working on his you know working on it elsewhere and then tony's working on it elsewhere They're not together.   Uh, yeah I He definitely was he was like 90 banner Right. Yeah, like the only part of him that was hulk seemed to be the body Yeah, um, there was never any moments of rage where he had to stop himself. He's like, oh breathe in and out Something that he does to control himself Um, but yeah, he's like 90 bruce banner and I'm like, well, he looks green and I feel I feel it It's almost as if this movie wasn't written by the people who made infinity war a little bit because you're like, oh they're clearly setting up that um Or the hulk is gonna have some kind of identity crisis and he needs to bring them together And if it resulted in professor hulk as as it's known, I think, uh, that'd be great But we didn't get even a scene Of like normal banner and hulk having some kind of back and forth Figuring out the pro I was like, why that that'd be so easy if you just had that That would that would that would be like a scene you would have before the five year cut Yeah, you know while everyone's getting over it, you know banner loses it and then the whole You know banners to Hulk you could be like if if you'd worked with me if you'd worked with us we might have stopped than us that sort of thing Yeah, and so hulk uh and him could join finally Um, and maybe they did and we didn't see it because maybe it was cut I mean there's a there's that five year gap, which like it's not like it's impossible We're not saying it couldn't happen. It's just man It just sort of it's sort of there And the movie says just sort of accept it And like, uh, it would have been really nice. I found like honestly, I was I found a jarring seeing it in cinema. I was like, oh, wow Okay That's we're doing that That's just that's happening at least he dabs Oh, and yeah, they really dragged out the uh take a photo with ant man joke for me. I was like, okay Yeah, that went on I get it. I get it. That was a bit much A lot of the comedy was a bit too much in this movie Yeah, I'll try and remember them as we go But like there was a There's a couple jokes that weren't working for me while comparatively I thought infinity was one of the funniest of the mcu films while being one of the saddest sort of thing Well, they juggle them really well in infinity war Yeah, and it's this this this thing about, you know, the mcu is Terrible for ruining drama with comedy and I don't think it applies to all of the mcu, but it certainly applies to a lot of them Or at least specific jokes. It's it's up and down sort of thing. Um So, yeah, Hulk happened and then is Tony figures it out Oh, yeah, so the uh the Reconciling Tony and cap. I wasn't happy with it Yeah, I didn't think you would be given how much you love civil war. They have the scenes themselves But I feel like they kind of wasted it.  You don't just go real reconciliation between the two for what happened Yeah, and I was I was really good about that because as yeah, I love civil wars. I was like, oh Okay, and then he's like here's the shield and he goes. I don't know if I should have it And he's like he made it for you and I was like did he I thought he just made the shield Because the shield was there in first of edge, right? He picks it up. He's like, oh, I'll have this I guess and then How it's dark is like, yeah I don't know that he made it for but even that I've like rather so in But the movie that's got his own stuff to do I guess so I was just like, ah Kind of kind of and there's a thing like it's not terrible.  I er your favorite is iron man, right? Yes and What is yours? um Probably winter soldier I find loads of people pick winter soldier Uh, it's it's really tough between iron man one winter soldier because they're both really good movies Although I'd say objectively iron man one has less issues Then yeah, I think uh Iron man one structure the only problem I have with iron man one is obadiah goes insane at the end Yeah, the ending of iron man one kind of falls apart.   Yeah, that shit's funny. Maybe like 10 years ago For me like I've been like, huh, that's in a movie And you know, I still don't understand how the rest of the asgardians Managed to get half a ship to earth Like it doesn't really address that captain marvel pushed him. Yeah Is that actually yeah, that's what I was talking about before I was complaining about I thought you were talking about iron man in the nebula. Oh, wait. Sorry. What are you talking about? Yeah, we'll have the rest of the asgarders. Oh, right. Uh, yeah, we as far as we know that just happened so Well, we know that they can have a ship in there What we know that they put out distress signals and the guardians found it So it's possible that I mean Thor could have collected them with his automatic teleporter. So You know, he has the he has what's it called? Uh, Why am I forgetting the thing that lets you travel Instantly the bridge rainbow bridge thing in his weapon. That's the one.  Well done. Oh, yeah, that's true. I assume you could go get him Heimdall, that's who it was. Oh, yeah um, I I think there's enough setup with like the distress signal and the guardians finding it I can mostly believe it. It would have been nice to have a line for it though Uh, yeah so I'm I don't know how how much uh, people how well people would think it about Thor exactly But like the only part of that scene that I started connecting to is when Hulk said Thanos and Thor went quiet and I was like, oh This is still serious. I think Because um, I wasn't really comfortable with laughing at Thor Because I really appreciated his uh, His portion in infinity war.    I was like we're laughing at him I guess Which I and why could he use his lightning powers to change his beard style but not cut the weight? I don't It seems to be that keeping I couldn't stand fat Thor every time I saw him on screen I hated him. I guess they keep it and take him seriously Like for guardians, I guess he's gonna be fat Thor and that I don't know Well, I guess I can finally cosplay as Thor now Um, yeah, what do you think of Thor? Ah, I did not like him I like him. Did you have you ever liked him or? Uh in Thor one. Yeah, sure.  What do you think of him in Ragnarok? I haven't seen Ragnarok. So I play a bit of inference. Have you seen the dockwild? I have but once so I don't did you love it I did not love it Damn, well, that's the best MCU movie. Oh easily So I just find that funny right of all the places they could visit they visit the dockwilds continuity It's like wow I guess they're like they're saying. Yeah, you know what?  This movie isn't the MCU Okay, okay. The Divisit Hulk though. I think they still want to pretend that didn't happen um Yeah I don't know. I guess we'll try and talk about more of it as we go through. Um I liked The scene where Hawkeye is killing all the asian men I thought it was cool Hawkeye was actually a character for once Yeah, I did like that. I did like Hawkeye and I I feel like this is I feel like him going like vigilante dark knight hero Is something that he would do Yeah, man. He made it very clear. He's like you guys don't deserve to have survived Wasn't a big fan of the Mohawk though. Um, I would have preferred if they just kept it a little shorter Just lower it. Yeah, it's it's a bit it's it's up there.  Make a movie for it Just go go for it. Um And yeah, the actor who's uh fighting him this the guy from last samurai in it Who uh the one who doesn't like tom cruise in the last samurai at first. Oh I don't remember his name. I don't remember his name as well. But um, Yeah, the whole thing was like a one shot too, which was pretty cool Uh, I liked I liked all of it. Hawkeye is pretty awesome in this movie as far as I'm concerned, but we can talk more about that in a bit What happens next they're all collecting up.  Do you think that was a reference to ratchet and clank or just coincidence That's what I immediately thought but I was like, no, that's kind of I don't think so. I don't think it was. I don't think so either. I think it was just a continuation of the column other things Yeah, I think that I think so too, but um, I could see it like if if the director's like, yeah, it was But it was a subtle reference. I'd be like So subtle. I didn't even think about it myself I was gonna say if you wanted to make it more obvious you'd probably have Tony say something like hey ratchet was clank something like that But that would be even worse. Yeah, let's see that kind of ruins the joke Also calling him build a bear. Yeah, I remember that um Which I like though Yeah, so did you guys love that uh every character in this movie basically shits on time travel movies at the whole Yeah, I'm not fun. I really loved it Yeah, let's make fun of the time travel rules in other movies while make our rules know better In some cases much worse um because Time travel is a weird one Yes It's a weird one. Um I mean, I guess it makes sense in universe that they'd know about all this stuff and that they would base what they think Time travel is off of this stuff But they hold these movies in high regard the characters hold the movies You know high regard. Yeah, no, uh, it just the awkward Inference you can make is like, oh So you guys think you're better than those films. You guys think you make more sense than those films I don't I don't know. I don't think that's what the film is trying to say I think the film wants us to throw them out. Don't think about them.  It's like, hey um What are you? Is there any movie you guys think? Functions really well with time travel overall because the the one I usually suggest is primer I haven't seen primer. It's a we'll check that out. It's I think it's an indie movie But it's a really um the whole film is trying to explore competent well-written time travel so it's complicated but You know um I mean generally a lot of people say that back to the future is a really good one I think I need to watch it again I've never really given it a huge amount of thought as to whether or not back to future makes complete sense Because I always understood it pretty simply, right? Like it ripples through time. Yeah, they say like it. There's branches and time Like when changes happen it creates a new timeline But you know about avengers now, right? Back to the future. Do they do that in back to the future? I thought it was just one timeline with with with uh buff biff When he gets older like that's its own timeline and they can go back before that and head it off or Yeah, but that is from what I understand It is one timeline they go back change something and it changes the future forever So they need to go back again and change that past back to make it so that their future comes true Time travel This is the thing he started me like uh my brain And I know that there's going to be a lot of people in chat who are going to be able to better look at it Better explain it or whatever, but um We'll try our best to go through I liked it when don cheetle talked about strangling a baby Someone saved predestination Yeah, that's I haven't seen that that's a freaky one What's the best time travel movie? Best time travel movie I don't our story in general If you can think of anything Well steins gate of course, but Can animate uh, I well it's just the best That's the truth of it. Uh Best movie though does I know this this might sound really weird, but I think Titanfall 2 did a good job with it I haven't played that whereas well In that There's a sequence Where you essentially can hop between it's almost like changing the level So instead of you It's almost like you're a stranger popping in and out of different two different timelines and only the stuff that you interact with changes Uh, at least from your own perspective um But I don't I don't know it's Time-traveled Yeah, I enjoyed that level, but I don't really understand how the time travel in titanfall 2 worked necessarily It has to back to the future I'm with mauler. I haven't seen it in a long time. So I don't remember if it works as well as I think it does or not I think one of the reasons because titanfall I don't think they really explore Potential timeline changes. They just stay with the one that they're on So that makes it seem really simple But yeah, but then your character's kind of replaced the guy whose Memories you're going through Like he finds that dude stuck in the ceiling And then he kind of takes over doing the same shit he did back in the past It's kind of weird It was a fun level But but I genuinely I'd probably have to play the campaign again. It's been like a year or so The rule of thumb is like don't write time travel unless You're like folk. That's your focal point.    Let's just say it does um A majority of your audience is going to be like that didn't make sense Because it's so hard to follow sometimes when you have like a really complicated time travel system Like primer as a film is practically an invitation to those who want to explore how time travel can be Logically consistently written I think So the issue is that when it comes to time travel We don't like actually have time travel in this sense in our world. So we don't really Have like set rules for it that we can compare to reality So it's almost like a bunch of hypotheticals and theoreticals that different people have You know based on different interpretations of what it might be and those all clash Which is why setting up the rules for your time travel is so important Because like the way so that the standard paradox the standard time travel model is the grandfather one, right? Like the idea that you have a goal you complete it Therefore that goal never needed to be complete therefore you don't go but then therefore the goal happens blah blah blah blah The way back to the future gets around it is to say that um changes in the past don't catch up with the future straight away So you have the time to be able to Like that again, I need to watch it again before example I mean if you have well, yeah If you have the the tesseract in a box or whatever or whatever And it's just sitting there and nobody interacts with it It doesn't make any difference if it's it disappears from the box like schrodinger's tesseract And then it's back in the box before somebody else interacts with it in any way Also, some people in chat are suggesting time travel is potentially possible already depending on perspective like I believe part of traveling out Lightspeed slows down either the viewer or the subject or the Yeah, but we mean in the terms of movies like going back and interact with previous events The interesting thing is that they're not just traveling by time in the movie. They're traveling by space as well.  No Fringy had so many problems with this Um, I was already lost. I was like wait wait say that again I'm I'm curious because I'm not familiar with steins gate. What are the general rules of the time travel and there you are the general okay, well there are Parallel world lines or timelines, but they call them world lines And if you change one world line You're not you're basically not changing that world line. You're skipping over to another one where that change happened So you can't have any paradoxes that way um The one that like restraining factors that there's this thing called attractor fields where world lines are like separated into bunches That all have a certain convergence point that cannot be changed It's it's complicated. You'd have to watch it. I mean it's hard to I think I think that's what we laid easily from this is like if ever you had a model that does function for time travel It's hard to break down and understand perfectly Yeah Yeah, I'm just gonna say it again because there's a lot of people in chat who said what the fuck so He says if you travel to the past, let's just try and go through it If you travel to the past meaning they go to 2012 for example He says that past becomes your future. I assume he's saying that if you were to stay there That would now be your timeline I don't really know because I don't know what he's referencing as the past and the future in this complicated sentence I wonder if he would replace Like you would replace your old version from that past or if there would just be two Because if you travel to the past that past becomes your future and your former present Becomes the past which can't now be changed by your new future I assume we know from the movie. You don't replace your old self. No, no I didn't know if it was like a back to the future kind of thing where you steadily like fade away Depending on what you do Well, uh, so going from what he says, right? So if you've got my stream up I'm going to show you my amazing picture so we can try and discuss this and I will try and look at chat as best I can to to catch anybody who's making explanations that I'm monitoring it So make it make sense So as you can see from my incredible drawing Timeline one and don't worry. We'll try and pick this apart Timeline one is is the movie Now just before the end of timeline one there's three travels to different I assume judging from oracle lady Ancient one whatever You go to the past and you do a thing that never happened in that past. You have thus created You've just split off a new reality a new timeline. I don't She he says to her That we can fix your reality That's what he says to her in the film And I was like your reality as in two separate realities as in are we talking parallel universes here? Like it would create a new Timeline for all the things that they interacted with but they would go back to their own You're right. So so according to the movie We have three teams.  We're just going to run with this for a second Then the film ends with cap going to replace all of them And he ends up on a bench as an old man now A lot of people are up simultaneously upset and happy with it because we're not sure if it makes any sense Now the the explanation I've heard is that it turns out We were watching universe one when there is in fact a universe zero Which was the actual original MCU timeline where cap did all of this and then traveled to universe one Had sat on the bench because that was and he was secretly Married to Peggy Carter and he did all of his stuff and he just probably changed his name and stayed under the radar While our cap was doing anything.  She says something along the lines of like when you knock out a stone She she she pucks out the time stone specifically, but she says a stone Then you create a darker timeline as if to imply You don't get a new timeline unless you do something with stones specifically Um, and a lot of people have taken that as weird of god sort of thing to do with the scripts I don't think you could say that's true because what if I went back and killed tony stark I didn't touch any stones. I just killed tony stark Wouldn't that have to change the timeline? And thus create a new timeline Like or would erase timeline one? Because he's no longer alive to be in the end of timeline one so that none of that can even happen anymore Why do they even need all of the infinity stones when they can just once they get the time stone Like what are the time stones powers exactly? That's one of the issues I have is they never actually use any of the powers of any individual stone in the movie Yeah, like you have the time stone That controls time Oh, do you mean like they should just fly out to outside of earth with the time stone that just rewind the thing by five years Well, what's the what's the freaking rules of the time stone? No idea It's part of our broken dr. Strange because to me I'd be like we have to do time travel. It's like, all right. Well, let's go get the time stone That's the one that matters and the rest. Well, we can just we have the time stone So we have like an infa just like in dr. Strange. We have an infinite amount of attempts to get them Which means if it's possible that we get if it's even possible that we can get them then it's inevitable that we'll get them um Time not just that but I don't know about you guys But if you were with the avengers and you're like, all right, we need all six stones Where were they at what times? What are the easiest ways to sort of grab them?  Do you mind if we take the other stones? Um, and we'll come right back, but we need to save our universe too. We need to save him. Yeah, that would have been That may that would have ruined the films. You can't do that also Oh, damn. We can't do much time traveling. We're restricted because we have such limited pimp articles like oh Well, I guess they can't get anymore. Oh, no, they can they just need to travel back in time It's like, why didn't you do that first? Also, how come he only grabbed like four of them instead of all of them? Yeah, that was weird I was like, no, no, no all of them.  I well, that's the thing. It's it's the whole well You can have it a pimp article.  I'm assuming he didn't How did cap, you know what they took the spear the The staff the whatever it is the Loki spear. They took the stone out of that Did they put it back in before they replaced it because Age of Ultron is a very different movie if you don't even have that Scepter as it is No mind-controlling as well for Age of Ultron which happens to a the girl The doctor girl she allows a Ultron to do everything she needs her to do so like yeah, again like this is like Time travel is really weird And yeah, this is why it's really it's messy. There's there's no Yeah It's the it's the big thing. It's the It should not be treated lightly and the overall there's a few more so like Why did they choose? Do you guys remember guidance the galaxy so quill gets the Power stone and he's like immediately ambushed by Ronan's men. Where were they in this movie? They don't turn up They don't Well, I guess compared to When they punch him Well, if you remember, uh, what's her name? Gamora? Nebula got knocked out. She was on the floor for a while. There's no way they wouldn't have turned up Well speaking of nebula, how is it that she can be connected to the other nebula From the other timeline. Oh, it's it's it's explained in guardians. It's called convenience I don't know. I'm okay. I'm okay with that part. I'm not I would have been I mean if not for the fact that she should be fully aware of that And she jeopardizes the whole mission by going just let war machine go without you I mean, I could understand like her not foreseeing that um, but wouldn't she Start having the same because the other the past nebula Start having some fuckery going on in her head, but president didn't well president So you're nearly there she does eventually my problem is why doesn't it happen at the same time? Well, isn't it because don't they have um The Thanos's machine that reads the memories.  Maybe like oh it's gonna change how Thanos behaves in this universe. I guess like okay thus Yeah, that's it.   She decides to get herself captured and provide them with a PIM particle like, um Okay That's interesting. Like why didn't you know when she's getting sucked up into the ship? I was like use your thing.  I don't know why um Yeah, that was dumb the Thor's Thor's timeline where he just goes and gets the uh the juice that worked out Just fine mostly because the logic of the film I'm assuming I could be getting this wrong is that if you return The stone the timeline goes back to normal as it was always supposed to Yeah, I I I'm okay with that given a certain amount of margin of error Like you know the tesseract in and out of the box if no one's there to interact with it or if nobody's Actions are influenced by it. Then I'm I could see how the timeline would quote unquote mend itself um But that's one of those every situation is kind of its own Kind of its own deal. It's very contextual whether it would or not I mean, it depends on how big the change is Yeah, like if there's something we're missing by the way time travel wise It could very well be the case like are you guys all three of you you following along or is there anything that we You think we've missed here But I thought this is pretty much how they do it in the film Yeah, I'm a little confused So what exactly leads you to believe that there are actually multiple timelines uh Ancient ones saying that when you take a stone out It makes a new timeline and then they have to go back to that specific timeline and repair it quote unquote right, but Before you're also kind of assuming there's multiple timelines before they remove the stones Oh, uh, it's as a result of moving the stones that the timelines are made. I'm assuming But I just put them there ahead of deals that they put them back so that there aren't Multiple timelines. Yes. So technically as far as I'm well So this is the other problem if we go by ancient ones logic Then you only get a new timeline when you take a stone out, but my question is what is happening then if I Thanos is dead in timeline four So doesn't that change everything the timeline four to the point where it can't be timeline one Yeah, it would it has to be a new one Because like the first thing that somebody mentions is um, let's go back in time and kill baby Thanos Right, and then banner says that wouldn't change anything for us It would for their timeline though, right? Yeah. Hmm I mean that sounds logical, but I don't think the movie ever really puts that forward Well, I think they don't I think they don't do it because banner says that it wouldn't change it for us um and depending on how many Timelines there were I mean, there's potentially I guess by the rule the Avengers rules. There's only a timeline for how many stones there could be Is that what the ancient one is kind of leading at here? Also the reason I just the time stone because she picks that one out specifically to clarify for chat The reason I've drawn it this way is because it's much easier to understand than if I drew a line and then lines going back to them And then splitting off depending on the events that happen But yeah, these timelines only exist When they fuck them up They as far as I can tell from the movie they slot back in with timeline one If everything goes to plan But then you have the problem of well, hey So moving a stone makes a new timeline. Okay. Killing Tony Stark or Thanos or someone like that. Surely that makes two timelines go Okay, what about giving Tony Stark cardiac arrest? That would probably change at least a few things, right? And then you get to the point of what about opening a door On some street where it wasn't before You know the whole butterfly effect idea Um, that's what it was. Are there an infinite amount of timelines for every potential change that could ever possibly happen?  It's almost like Give me a few rules to work by that are big ones and then Where it's might be the best you could do Because there's always going to be an element of we couldn't possibly know or what really happens in some scenario Again, so to clarify so super apm said that's not what she suggested obviously changing anything regardless of the stones We'll split the time stream. It's just that if they took the stones then her timeline would be left defenseless Yeah, uh, check online loads of people interpret it as there's only a new timeline if you knock out a stone, which I think makes no sense Uh, so if we treat it as there's always a new timeline, even if you change relatively small things Uh, the film doesn't work either way Kind of the point But I agree that you can't take the time stone away from the stories for a supreme before they fight durma That's not gonna fucking work is it? Yeah, but I think that um I think it's I do think from what someone in chat said it's fair to say that They did create a lot of new timelines in this movie Yeah, I think so. Yeah, which is almost like It makes you think are they gonna use one of those potential timelines to be the timeline that the mcu carries on in You don't know that's the thing I mean it it's always like their back door is there one of those timelines is the one that Because it's those characters doing those things and a lot of this stuff happens It's a way for them to legitimately by their own rules at least or what they present as their own rules offer a potential Continuity that doesn't get Mixed up too much in the events of infinity war and in-game You go but The line you don't understand from the movie probably means you can't travel to your own past only to a parallel timeline Again, I maybe I don't really know.   What about Loki's scepter not working in the Avengers on Tony Stark and Loki being surprised by it What do you mean? That's I'm just reading the comment plus Because Tony's like got a metal thing on it that's not connected to his in I guess That's that's Avengers. That's not even this movie um But I think that's it. I think that's enough time travel talk. Yeah, sure. I so much resolution I liked uh seeing all this the things in a very superficial way But uh, I knew watching it.   You know what I mean? Like this is a problem with time travel. It's like, um, I guess with when it comes to Maybe it's because um, she could only see so far And hulk exit the the the point where hulk comes back That decision was made in a point that she couldn't see past Because like we all agree right she's surprised to see him or surprised to deal with him Like it's not like it's surprised to learn about, uh, dr. Strange. Well, it's No, she knew about dr. Strange. Just surprised to find. Yeah, that was it He has to argue why she has to give him the stone. So she clearly didn't know this was gonna happen Because she wouldn't have done that. She'd have been like here's the that would actually have been pretty cool If he turned up and she said here's the stone. He's like that easy, huh? And she goes just take it It'd been like, oh, she's aware of what's gonna happen. I guess but um Someone said she couldn't see past her death. This is five years before she died Well, I'm saying that the point where hulk decides to use time travel to come back was a decision that was made after the point where she could see So she wouldn't see the repercussion of that decision being made Which makes sense why she wouldn't know that dr. Strange would give the stone to thanos because that's after she That's fine with me because that happens in a different reality From what I understand But why can't she see in her own reality that the hulk came in Because I don't think that was a even a potential reality until hulk makes that decision And the setup for the basically the prerequisite for that reality didn't happen until a point after she could see So all of the potential realities that existed yet Because not everything's possible Right. So like like the time stone is unaware of this even being a thing in a way like Maybe maybe the time stone only and we're getting a little bit hypothetical here because the extent of the time stone's capabilities aren't exactly Known in full But what about it's possible What about the idea that she could then as he tells her all this she could be like Oh, give me a sec and she looks into the future again just to see how everything turns out or would that still not make sense? I guess I guess if uh the hulk The hulk is the basically the prerequisite requirement that allows for the current reality to even become possible at all So that means that when the hulk does come back This new simply that basically branches the timeline off where she is And that makes her that makes the time stone at least aware that there's a new reality now or a new timeline that it can That it can see because of it Maybe I don't know. I'm getting hypothetical. I'm getting hypothetical, but yeah. Yeah. No, I think I think we'll only be hypothetical Like the things we say in this stream are probably going to be outdated even by tomorrow Like who knows because this is a really complicated discussion. Um, I just saw someone in chat say that uh doesn't see different branches Someone in the chat said the Infinity war and endgame take place after dr. Strange which is after her death and she can't see past her death But I'm talking about from her perspective and her reality Um, and I guess that's that's why I'm thinking the time stone only allows her to see the branches that exist that are that have the potential to exist because Before during her lifetime The the the potential branch where the hulk comes back. It doesn't exist yet. It's not even possible yet It will only become possible After the hulk, you know initiates that event Also for clarifications for people who are saying He didn't say that only a stone would do it. I'm pretty sure she like word for word says If you take a stone, it'll create a branch That uh may benefit your reality like your reality will be benefited, but ours will not or something like that Like um, yeah, she does make it sound like what I was saying, but again, I don't know Someone pointed out dr. Strange does see past his death Ha I'm not even sure I'm travel I don't even really understand You know him looking into the future like what if he sees the 14 million potential he sees the one that works How can he do anything to make that reality work outside of signaling to tony stark that he needs to kill himself? Do you know what I mean? Like what else could dr. Strange even affect? Um That he wasn't gonna pretty much do anyway like bringing people into the fight You know like it wasn't like us maybe that one Well of all the realities that didn't work of all the potentials that didn't work We saw the one that did how far well who knows how far along Those potentials got before they failed Like how many of those potentials involve the events of in-game playing out as they did until something didn't happen Is that the point that we just all that happened was we saw the one that won But there was shit tons that didn't I assume so. Yeah. Yeah.   I like the message of it and it makes me think about Thor as a whole being that um The problem is Ragnarok Essentially says Thor has finally become the leader the king the man he was supposed to be And this film says he was never really that that may have been who he's supposed to be But that's never who he wanted to be or who he is so thoughts um Well, I wasn't I I don't know Thor has always that I don't have like an issue. I don't think it undermines Thor by not being king um Instead he's much more of the the free spirited adventurous type But he doesn't you know abandon things in an irresponsible way um I guess it's thors That's like the way of having Thor like break with What his destiny was supposed to be that he didn't want and it implies, you know a level of control that we have over our futures Yeah, um What do you think uh, yeah, I was just gonna say because you sound you sound probably most against it I just don't understand the point of it I don't know what they were trying to go for Um, it seems to be that they're saying that Thor is actually just a fun loving dude Rather than an important. Okay. I mean It does seem to undermine the at least the first movie for me. I mean because that's Kind of what he was and that's what he needed to kind of change to grow from that But now he can just you know toss it aside let this lady who I didn't even know because I didn't watch ragnarok be king Yeah I just Didn't really match up for me. Yeah, and ragnarok was kind of a ret con of his character That's everything before that true, but not in the in the arc of becoming king sort of thing I feel like ragnarok was well. Yeah. Yeah, I'd Yeah, sure So, yeah, this is the thing I I've even said to bring it before like I'm undecided on thaw I really like thaw, um, but I'm not sure what I think about them doing this to him Uh, yeah, I'm a little Like I don't have like a huge problem with it But I I did expect for him to Like sort of like lead, you know, like be basically like the mayor of asgard or whatever it is That's kind of what I expected um But I don't know what we got isn't I don't think it's bad. Do you think that this happened because they wanted to make him um Jump into the guardians franchise and he can't do that if he's king of asgard I think so. I think that's a part of it. Yeah seem like that way Because I think that would explain it right because this is the thing I um I think everyone would agree. There's so many like video essays out there That talk about how his arc is, you know becoming the man He was always meant to be that this movie kind of just says nah You're like, oh, I heard from a lot of people saying that they made him Fat and kind of worthless to nerf him against the Thanos I don't know how accurate that is if you were to ask the same question to the rusos, but I really didn't like what they did with him in this movie and we'll get to that because I actually feel like he was really fucking nerfed well uh but yeah I probably say I'm inching towards not happy versus happy and it's I think it's mainly because of how I really got a sense of Thor being Invested very much so in his people and leading them Yeah, especially by the end of Ragnarok and this movie's kind of like no, you leave it to the girl Like oh wow, he's just oh Okay, that one that thing I didn't really I wasn't really like I liked Valkyrie, but I'm like oh just like that, huh And I feel like you just need loads of tweaks if you really want to run with that Like you need that scene where she goes you know Thor uh Another fight broke out in in the whatever council meetings for the whole society that's going on there And he's just like doesn't care and then she's like and uh Our supplies. I'll take yeah our supplies are running low people are losing faith And he's just like can't you take care of it?  You're like, oh Is she I I don't recall seeing this Yeah, that was uh, what I would call rushed. I assume you guys would agree is just like Also, where did she get the pegasus from? Pegasus land That's true. That's true. I don't remember her having that and She didn't have it in that flashback in Ragnarok Yeah, but you don't have it no more Is there like is there do they does new asgard farm pegasus pegasi Like Wakanda farms rhinos Yeah, possibly or like how Thanos farms weird purple grape things The first time weird grape would be valid The I thought it was weird that when they poured the black panther people in there's like a huge army And I was like we're all of them killed in the fight not the dust And even if there was bringing back the dusted people in infinity war They're like, oh, we don't have that many people because the border tribe didn't join us Because of the events of black panthers. I was like, where'd you get all these people from? And why sherry on the front lines?  Um I don't know like so rags. You didn't seem to have much of a problem with it. I consider it super contrived. Um I'll say it's extremely I mean, I I can definitely see that there's a problem with it And you might be like, well, what else would they do? And I'd be like, I don't think we should judge it Well, what else they can do? I don't know there. I'm sure they could come up with something That's the thing like surely they could have come up with something Um, maybe if nebula's Maybe a lot of it's based off of how nebula the current nebula Kind of like treats it and acts about it.   That's after i'm just talking about in that moment Uh, why she I don't know why she made her decisions like that. She actually calls hawkeye I think she says like Clint Thanos knows and i'm just like what do you expect him to do exactly If the call went through if he picked it up.  I don't really understand what what the decisions are. I'm just like, okay That's happening now. And like I said, she could have teleported at any moment from the point of finding that out To the point of getting captain. She just doesn't it just bugged me um What if they went to where the soul stone was and they just hid And then before thanos could throw gamora down the pit like hawkeye just shot her with an arrow That creates a new timeline that doesn't solve their problem.  If he was gonna do that anyway, then why bother with No, I don't know.  So anyway, what was with the ant man and iron man's plan To get the tesseract. What was that That that hardcore took me out of the movie when I realized their plan was ant man sneak inside Tony's hot thing and give him cardiac arrest and then kick me The briefcase and I'll leave with it I was like, is that all you guys came up with you kidding me Yeah, why didn't they just go to where it was being stored and they just had to wait wait for it to go in a car Um, or whatever I'm assuming lobby.   Yeah I did like the little um, I did like I didn't like the captain america hail hydra thing. Oh, that was awesome I thought I was actually clever too. I thought that was clever Um, also, yeah hulk happening to hit him and cause all this problem. I was just like, oh god. There's so many Many conveniences and inconveniences This film stacking a ball up. It's like hulk happened to open the door the moment toady was trying to open it Really? Okay. That's fine. This causes another half an hour of the field to happen um Thing what else happens? It's like He fights himself. That was cool. Everybody thought that was okay. I thought that was fine Yeah, it makes sense that caps old cap would think that it's low-key. Yeah, and the fact he says, um I could do this all day that he's like Yeah, I know I did uh, I did like that. I really did like that. How do you how do you feel about that? Yeah I mean Well, if we're going with this interpretation that there are multiple timelines Then yeah, it's fine. Yeah, it was fun.  Yeah What happens now I like the idea to change. It's not fucked, but it's changed Right. We don't know how so who knows What exactly will happen as a result of that?  By the way, what do you guys think about this? It's like, oh when i'm ad flicked ad man onto tody Uh, that's a reference to the fact he's played that flicking game at the beginning of the film. I was like, uh I guess I don't say that No, I don't know if that's a connection I don't I Is there this is every flicking thing that he does after that point or call back to when he played the flicking game? And it's the flicking game a call back to when he flicked things earlier Like no, you could just uh People flick stuff every step he takes every step he takes is a call back to a previous step that he um I think that's it for act two. I'm trying to think of this as anything else before It hits the fan. Um, I um the the scene where cap. Yeah, I was about to say, um, I really really really liked Tony interacting with his dad. Yeah, I thought that was amazing. Uh, the only thing is like the security for the tesseract He can just Break it out of that box and there's no alarms or anything. It's like, okay Relax All you needed is him to be like friday disable, you know alarms Like oh, there you go. Fine. Uh, but yeah captain, uh, cat america seeing margaret Yes, which will nicely set up the finale. I was oh, yeah But I think that tony talking with his dad was really something else.  I really liked it. I really liked it um Then yeah, they get the stuff and oh I think Oh and one thing i'm glad they didn't do what you what do you think we should call him? He's like, uh, tony Yeah, that would be cool. They didn't they didn't take it too far Like tony names himself He's like, okay, they knew when to stop, you know, they knew not to go too far with it Uh, so yeah following up from that.  That was the best scene By far Loved it everything about it I'm assuming you love specifically that she died Uh, yeah, that's a huge part of it. Um, I sort of clarify. I'm assuming you don't like here or I'm not her biggest fan. I have to say I mean, uh Of the female characters of the mcu is there one that is actually better developed than she is at this point I'm trying to think of like who I would even say Um Captain marvel, of course. No, I think I think that's why it works Well, this is the thing. I don't know if I'm gonna be taking the The weird road here, but I actually really like that scene Like I really did. No, I I liked it. Yeah, I like them. I like that scene I like the idea of them fighting Over it as soon as the scene Took them there. I was like, yeah, they're gonna have to try and I thought they were gonna take it to the degree Would they nearly kill each other because that's what you'd need to get one of them to be able to Sacrifice themselves while the other one's still alive It's like because those two as much as we don't get a lot of it. They've been pretty consistent across the mcu being like best buds Yeah, and they set up earlier for black widow that basically the only family and everything she has is the avengers Yeah, and so she kills herself for and I thought it was great You know, ahokai does have like the family and everything he's trying to save and I feel bad about this Because I keep Criticizing this film over and over again, but I have to uh, what was with them using the same soundtrack and shot for gamora's death For black widow's death. Yeah, it's sitting really lazy.  That was gamora's death Now you've made it gamora and black widow's death, which is odd I think what they were maybe not so much the shot. I was okay with the shot I was more so bothered that they used the exact same score music. Yeah I think what they were trying to do was create a very direct parallel But I think it was not a good idea Like they should be distinct Yeah, I feel like they need to be separated because those two characters deaths are both quite impactful They're completely different characters. You shouldn't and they died for different reasons And now you've made it so the death the exact same. But yeah, I just thought it was weird I was like, why did you do that that made it weird? Uh, but I love the whole way they do it though And then how when they come back and they're all like happy and then hawkeye just goes on his knees.  I thought it was the whole point was like super amazing metal melted by a dying star directly like that's That seems pretty powerful stuff and it makes sense that that's what the gauntlet can be made by was like, no Eyebag can make one you like oh, yeah It's almost like you're expecting for there to be a whole scene about them acquiring a gauntlet of some kind You know, which would be cool or or sneak or one of the things that they would need to do is sneak back in time to get a gauntlet From another timeline or do something different from a gauntlet. Does it necessarily need to be a gauntlet? Does it have to be finger snapping? I mean I genuinely don't know if this is a rule that you need to have a gauntlet. I don't know about it, but Yeah, it seems I don't know why they would just do the exact same thing I liked it when they pull the gems in and rocket would boom I like rocket a lot rocket's awesome. It's kind of interesting that The idea like they're you know in the writer's room They're just like okay most of the guardians die except one. Let's keep a rocket It's just like wow that casual choice. We could have had tracks throughout the two movies, you know Oh, well one movie We could have had Well, not camora could have had peter, you know, it just the idea that you um casually just chose rocket to me And I'm just like, oh, I like them a lot. So it's all good.   I need to fix it I need to be the one that does this because it's like important to me that sort of thing And then they just throw a cheese whiz joke in the middle of it Yeah, that that was again the problem with the comedy is it really undercut a lot of the Like serious moments of this movie. I remember specifically not laughing at the cheese whiz I was annoyed.  Wouldn't he be the safest bet anyway? See this is kind of I wish they'd established this But I always assumed that it was more than just physical physical is important But that it's also an element of Will character heart willpower sure, but again, we're talking about a god No, of course. And so when when tony says like, you know, you know And he's trying to bring him down and be like you're just not you're not all together You're not all there. You don't you can't do this sort of thing. Like I took it as Mentally it's just unsuitable and it makes sense to me that hulk would do it Especially they have that little explanation where they're just like it's gamma It's something that he should be able to put up with. I was like, okay um But yeah, I don't know. I felt like they damaged that scene with a retarded joke It would have been really nice to see thaw do it Yeah, um, and you could even have killed him for it, which would have been Something very interesting. I'm not sure how that would have changed the film and everything resulting Um And then Okay, so this is a genuine question. How um How is it That you have a pym particle and it thus allows thanos to move his entire ship and army through to the machine How does that work and and when he brings it through the machine, how come it teleports way way way up instead of Destroying the building with its presence. I suppose nebula could have been like make sure to propel up the second that you Come through or whatever. I'm just still stuck at how that even makes any sense I don't know maybe I don't know do they find a way to interface it with their ship or Fuck, I don't know and yeah, okay So some people have already said it in chat, but some people are saying it online as well It makes sense because he would have the smallest like scientists work it and I'm just sitting there like I'm sorry. Hank pym had to invent the thing for them to be able to use it. Are you kidding me?   Let's assume they know how to use it logistically These characters need to put a suit around them Then put a pym particle into like their waist or whatever and it allows them to travel So where is Thanos putting this pym particle? In a space you okay In the microwave in the microwave Oh, wait, never put a pym part of the microwave A kf wait, maybe I got this wrong kf kh fans said nebula carried the shrunken ship it grew out of the The compound is that true? I thought she pulled them through the the time thing I thought that was a joke That the whole carrying the ship thing since you know the whole captain marvel carrying the ship I thought that the comment was a joke. Oh, well, I don't know. Is that what happened? I don't know. Yeah, I mean I only remember it just coming from the teleporter and then shooting up I thought that it came through from The past or the other dimension is it that she actually carried it in your hand I I don't know. I'll have to watch the movie. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know but that would make far more sense That would make way more sense to me. Yeah. Oh, yeah, if that's if that's what it is. Yeah, that's way better case and Okay And we've seen this set up before so all right. I'm down with it Um, how'd she shrink it John? Well with the pym particle, but uh, but how do you do that? Like, you know, there's you know, those discs ant-man has they don't have those they just Help us chat Understand some of this movie's strangeness um Yeah, so Meek Alton said you can clearly see the ship going through the quantum realm Does that mean We didn't see her put it on to the platform or anything though.  Don't you? It comes. I'll have a look now It comes through the portal. I thought it comes through the portal like normal and then like almost instantly it zooms upward Yeah I don't know now I feel like chat is Dible warring itself like everyone's got a different idea of what exactly happened It traveled through time. She didn't shrink it. They used Thanos's chin.  She calls it and crashes through the roof See Why can't every single one of you 4,944 people agree with each other? It makes it so difficult when everyone's not the borg Why can't you just have one idea guys? Jesus um, all right. Well Let uh, I think this problem's either way. So let's just just move on. I guess because it's just like, yeah, that's a thing that happened Uh friend of mine thought it was super convenient that none of the avengers died in the explosion What do you guys think about? Yeah Especially aunt uh Yeah, I mean out of all people it blew up literally inches from I thought that was um gonna be his death scene Yeah, I thought that would be too, but I guess he used his little tiny thingy Hmm, what's that making more susceptible to dying if he made himself? I don't know. Um, I don't know Maybe that would keep him more stable. I'm not sure But I guess they're I guess they use that as the explanation for how he survived Yeah, because he just showed him small I think they can't they didn't want to kill many people I imagine before the end shot because they wanted to have as many heroes together at once, right?  Yeah Yeah, they were serious about it Yeah, yeah, yeah, because like it um The post explosion is almost like a desolate wasteland.  It's like, okay, okay Someone pointed out Hawkeye of all out of all of them probably would have been the one that died Yeah, at least Come down right in front of them Um, this is everywhere. I think that yeah one definitely came down right in front of ant man I don't remember if one came down right in front of hawkeye. Hmm, but either way somebody Possibly no that that was ant man. Oh, yeah, that was that man.  It's just like oh wow, but everyone else seemed Whatever it's fine Which brings us to the the uh, I guess What would what does anyone want to talk about? I guess it would be the fighting Thanos as um, the three main dudes, right? Um All right Okay, um Thor got Thor got nerfed Mm-hmm, but he was fat. Does that mean that he is not weak? Well, he's I guess his body muscle ratio is off of it um Well, let me ask you. How do you feel about captain america and me all near?  Um, because we get Thanos immediately So a lot of people feel like Thanos has been screwed over in this film He's not the same Thanos. So The vengeful nature he has at the end doesn't make as much sense if it was the same one Yeah, do you guys feel like it's inconsistent? Yeah, I mean I understand why it's like that, but I don't like it It makes the impact not quite as impactful I guess I probably could have worded that better um Go ahead. I mean he's a Why would he have that personal stake in it? Maybe it's because he's seen the future the the future that these people have done to him Well, I think I think there's a valid explanation. I'm just not sure that it's what It's what was wanted because you can go loads of ways with it, right? You can you can take all kinds of directions with what you want to do with Thanos, but A lot of people are arguing like oh, well, we're seeing a younger Thanos a more angry Thanos Uh, um one that has been screwed over as well. He's seen his plan completed and then subverted which would enrage him more than likely So does it make sense that he is a basically a psychopath in this one versus the sort of arm and I say personally altruistic like he thinks what he's doing is going to save the universe While in this one he's getting to the point where he's like, okay, we're gonna restart the universe because you guys are stupid Well, I mean they have that line about well apparently what I did didn't work or didn't serve the purpose that I Needed so I need to go further Yeah, um What do you reckon ego?  It's a big deal. Infinity war. It is a big deal, but coming off of a infinity war where I don't know just severed I felt like it severed so much from that Like it's not the guy that Iron Man knows better. If you know what I mean, yeah Yeah, I think it literally is the guy Yeah Far more impactful if it was the original Thanos who went through fighting all of them. Yeah I think so too and that's just cut off and I Didn't really like that I can definitely see why people are upset and I can definitely agree that I was a little bit like I miss Big strong altruistic amazing quotes Thanos who Would be kind to a lot of the people he kills and I've seen the people would be like Oh, yeah, he only did that because he was in a position of power and this is the first time he's really experienced being vulnerable And that's why he's much more blah blah. I was like, yeah, but like He's kind of an asshole now I I don't know I I feel like the the desperation of a situation he finds himself in where he knows that these people have the capability To thwart his plan for the first time I think that might change his The way that he behaves. I think I agree. It's just not necessarily what What I personally wanted to see out of out of this sort of storyline. So we get one shot, right? This is an interesting one for sure, but um You know as weird as this it is to say I prefiff 20 2019 Thanos to 2024 Thanos or whatever the timelines are I find it more interesting.  Um, but you know, it's fine.  I guess he didn't need it When he had the gauntlet, right? I don't know. Sure, but it would have been kind of cool to see that. Yeah Actually, I I didn't like the sword because I think it's a silly weapon. It doesn't make a lot of sense Uh, you mean like you would have preferred an actual sword versus this weird like so Yeah, like this weird thing doesn't like, you know from a utilitarian perspective. It's a really shitty weapon There have been a lot of other things. It seems to be magical to an extent No, I mean, I I like the sword I just don't remember it being an infinity war or guardians, but I haven't seen guardians in a long time So I was just genuinely curious Uh, yeah, he doesn't he doesn't have it in infinity war. I don't think so anyway Uh, in finnish it is like what four or five years something could have happened to that thing over the many conquests good old thanos has So that's past thanos, isn't it? You know and as someone is yeah, oh wait. Yeah, that that's from the guardians Yeah, future thanos wouldn't have it. Okay. Um, yeah So and and the Thanos that they fight at the end. This is a Thanos that hasn't lost gamora Uh, do you mean like he's not got an appreciation for loss as much? I'm I mean, I'm yeah I'm just I'm saying maybe that's a big difference is that he hasn't you know I guess maybe he you know, that's a that's something that really changes him as a character And he doesn't have that in this version that they find Yeah, so That might actually be why they chose to do it that way Maybe maybe. Yeah, um Uh, so something that frustrates me. I don't know how you guys are gonna feel about this or chat or whatever You got Thor with mjolnir and stormbreaker iron man.  I just thought I was confused. I was like, how is thanos just And I've seen explanations of people like don't get it.   I'm just like, mmm Hmm, no He had the gauntlet at infinity war and I am bad bad is to make him bleed Yeah, I just I feel like they just needed the fight to go on and They needed stakes to be raised So thanos is more powerful now You go why he beat up the hulk without using stones Yes, he did Well, then again, he had one stone at that point, right the power one He didn't use the power stone to beat him up though, I guess Um, yeah, that's true. Um, hmm So, but you get the Thor I still feel like three of them. Yeah, like this we're not dealing with like This is big those those three put together especially Iron Man and Thor like I just I don't really see How it was pretty easy for him to do, but I'll let it slide I guess because Thor was out of shape and Iron Man Iron Man got like electrocuted at one point or something by Mjolnir I thought that was weird Because he like he like falls over and there's loads of electric on him and then he gets knocked out and I was like, oh Sorry, I need to watch it again to really figure out exactly what's going on there But yeah, when did Iron Man set up that fucking thing where if Thor electrocutes him in the back?  Yeah, I must have just forgotten it. It's been a while since I saw Avengers Um, I liked when Nebula killed herself I do too.  Yeah What do you think? Yes, okay, I'm all for them an earring. Have you seen the Guardians films? I've seen. Yeah, both of them. I don't remember too very well But yeah, maybe best that you don't remember to Yeah, maybe I mean, I like to why do you like why do you hate too wolf? Age of Ultron. No, he's talking about Guardians. No Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, I'm sorry.  Yeah, you like Because I watched it with you the other day. That's what was confused. You know, I was drawn up. Yeah, I'm sorry I mean, I like the second Guardians more than the first I actually like him all in the first as well, but I think the first one's better It's got more problems than the first Yeah, but I like it more than um All right, so there you go rags go nuts cat picking up meal near I liked it I imagine that's one of those Cinemas all over the world go nuts for that moment I mean, oh, I I I appreciated it because in one of the other Avengers movies They kind of hint at the fact that Captain America is yeah age of Ultron There's like meal near You know it budges a little for Captain America Now I will say there.   Did you see this in a theater? Yeah I did did you find it obnoxious?   So we got really good seats and we saw it in a A mostly empty theater.  All right, like actually adults Well, I remember there was something that he said during the movie And I was just like, oh you sweet summer child. You don't understand why this is a great scene. Um Like I it was Like it was it was just it was like a kid watching it And he and he's seen he made a comment about a scene like me I think he didn't like it But I thought it was really good because I remember it was set up in some way from a previous movie or something And I was almost like I was almost about to fucking explain this to this person next to me like Um But yeah, I imagine a few so oh I'm seeing this movie in a full theater.  I watched it on opening night So it was a full theater. Yeah, mine was full, but I was British.  They can't hear you.   It'll be great. Um Yeah, I loved all of it, but I thought maybe he was a little bit too good with it He was awfully good with that hammer Like I'm all for every movie does except lightning ones. I was like, isn't that Thor's thing? I thought Mjolnir was just a you know, like an amplifier. I didn't realize it actually created lightning Yeah, that seemed a little off to me.  And then he like summons light.  It's insane.   I know what's happening. We have to go But then everybody shows up And I'm like, whoa I thought it was a really cool moment. It was just my theater was so obnoxious. It was like killing it for me I I was I was I was into it, but totally superficially. I was just like, yeah, I was yeah Same thing is I was like, I accepted it. I'm like, yeah, everyone gets to do their little thing at the end Like, okay, cool.  Yeah, all right.  There's a lot of students.  Yeah, I just assumed it was like from all of the wizard temples Are there is someone still defending their sanctums? Oh mama could turn up at any moment guys I don't know. I guess the immediate threat is I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kidding. Um Yeah, when they all run and fly together. I was just like Jesus Christ.   Yeah But I was like, okay. All right. Let's just I just Strap myself into the roller coaster. Okay, here we go Everyone's gonna do their thing here.    He's just like Oh, I liked seeing Drax is barely in this film. Yeah, so it's nice. He got something Um seeing Tony and and pepper doing their respective iron man blasts the same time.  It's very, um Iffy And like she drops out of the MCU for a bit like when civil war happens He's just like, uh, she's just not around. She's like, oh, but I think it works enough I Also thought being like give me back my hammer.  There's plenty of like this one. Get out. There's loads of payoffs in here That are just like a lot of fun that I think work.   Yeah Jesus Christ. Let's see.    Yeah, they are like peter meeting up with blank gamora. I guess if you can call it that just like Recognition that I guess that relationship is restarted. I don't know what they're doing with that exactly because I don't know How many guardians films is going to be I don't know what the plan is there Um and again to sort of highlight how much I feel like hulk was thrown away in this film You get one shot of him in the fight. I believe where he's like Yeah, I genuinely don't even remember him being in the fight. I don't remember it either It's it actually it was like he just disappeared for that whole segment until uh Picks a guy up and throws him whatever and then he says uh We can't like because someone's like hey get the stones out of here and he's like no We have to return them to you know their places or whatever which Highlights something I was thinking about and again. I could be wrong But correct me if I'm wrong captain marvel holding the gauntlet And going to jump into the quantum machine What does that solve for the other timelines? Where does she even go? What does she does she have any idea? What's about to happen when she does that? um I don't know what they were doing first off. Why doesn't why doesn't she just snap her fingers? Right there when she's got it Oh, well, yeah, you could definitely I mean someone someone pointed out If she if if they made that happen if captain marvel used the gauntlet, I would I would have screamed at this at the screen That would have been unforgivable Someone also pointed out where machine just bullshits his way into getting new armor. Yeah I meant to bring that up thought machine just has armor and you're like, oh Looks like where'd you get that from?  I just thought it was really weird. I was like you guys know that this isn't going to solve the problems But you know luckily she doesn't make it anyway, but that brings us to um You know What did you guys think of the um the shot with all of the whammin?   Yeah, so that's from the comics apparently so everyone criticizing it is wrong apparently that's how that works Yeah, if it's in the comics, it can't be dumb.  Oh, I hear I actually I liked her better with longer hair because it would cover up more of her face Um, I'm I mean, I don't think it it makes sense that her hair is like if I was a chick My hair would be short, which is ironic because my hair is really long right now But it just seems more battle You know Yeah, uh That this his looks kind of silly to make it fine armies have a armies have a You know dress code for facial hair and you know hair and stuff so I mean, I was fine with it. I don't wait. Are we actually talking about cap marvel's haircut? Well, you that was a sideline what we're actually rags. Let me ask you. What did you think of the all female shot? Uh I rolled my eyes It's like because I I saw it happening. I'm like, oh like these are four.  Um, I was definitely distracted, but what really took me out was the fact that mantis is there Yeah, it's like hold on. Why is mantis? What is mantis ever done aside from being a joke?  Oh, yeah, I mean, I like her too, but so But she's not like a warrior Like what does she do? She's really good for character stuff emotional stuff connection between people Very good for that But what is she gonna do in a fight? Like even when she was with ego, she's gonna make people feel bad She's gonna put people to sleep I guess. Oh, okay. She doesn't even do anything She's just with them that starts to run and I was like, okay I'm waiting for a mantis pay off now The same for shuri by the way, which makes more sense, but it's still kind of like what the hell are you doing here? Why is she in the front?  Yeah, that's so I kind of this kind of The one that has the best development Basically the only one I care about she's the one I mean I kind of like scarlet witch. Yes. Yes.  Um, so there's a couple people out there Who are like that ruined it for me and I'm like it didn't ruin it for me.    We're getting there. We get That needs a whole discussion. Um, yeah, I like that. He actually is defeated by scarlet witch without the gauntlet I was like finally like a power level that at least they consistent with because the thing is scarlet witch Is what you would call a glass cannon, right? She's actually Killable with a bullet, but she's still probably the most powerful Avenger Not any more obviously, but she was up until Tism hero did it isms, but so uh Yeah, so we're against that so Thanos is a desperation move pulls in Uh, his ship to shoot everything basically. Yeah, and everyone's like panicking like oh my god. We got and then the ship Moves every single cannon You fire on one target and it fails miserably and when that happened. I was like no Please no before you go further what I thought Was gonna happen was when all the cannons were pointing upwards I thought it would be like, um all the people from the guardians of the galaxy Um the scrolls as well. Maybe yeah, not not the scrolls or the creed the Not the rat it well the ravagers and uh, you mean like the gold people. Yeah, the gold people Why not people from the first guardians that they save Oh, you thought yeah, the zandals destroyed at this point. I think But we mean maybe like all of uh yandu's buddy. Yeah, I was expecting for like the guardians ships to come in I think zandala guardians zandals still actually around I think at that point So the nova core would be the ones. Yeah. Yeah nova core. Yeah. Also. Yeah. Sorry my bad. The ravages. We're actually in the fight Um, but that would be cool.  Yeah, you could have like a line or you could have captain marvel leading them As much as I don't want to be there and she's like I gathered them for this I'd be like, okay, but it's literally just But it doesn't matter because What do you need after captain marvel? And she destroys this entire ship by walking right through it and I was like, oh Completely effortlessly destroys the entire warship. No issue. No problem Doesn't even break a sweat.  No, no, no, we're getting there um so I think it kind of Is really lame that she did that I think it's very lame too. It cheapens things so much a lot of people have been saying Endgame is not ruined by captain marvel. She's barely in it And I'm like she deals damage for the time that she's here for sure.  Do you guys remember it where he's like terrified?   Well on earth the universe.  I hate Marvel so much smaller haters I hate her a lot too and I and it doesn't even it doesn't come into whatever a character is at that point doesn't even matter that power level What are you doing?  Like even Thanos is like what? Right, I'm supposed to be the bad guy. Like how are you doing this?  Um There was this like massive sigh of relief From me in the cinema. I was on the edge of my seat like, please don't let her kill him Please don't let it.  She's just like lol you try to help the headbutt be But then he punches her and she it's like what is what is what? I don't even understand what she's supposed to be like she's selectively god. Yes I don't I She she's super op and I don't understand how they're gonna deal with that Going forward exactly gonna have to give her super op enemies.  Yes, and almost surely She won't be in spider-man I hope You know, it's it's like all the other avengers stuff that they do in the future is gonna have this This this awful specter of captain marvel hanging over it You don't like the carols only weakness being the greatest power in the universe I mean This is so a lot of people said like in fairness He wasn't able to close the gauntlet and they kind of established that he can't use the gauntlet's power unless he can make a face So he's really just normal than us when he headbutts here and he goes out While the power stones have complete power over here. So isn't that okay? And I'm like I'm not saying it doesn't make sense with the power levels.  Why didn't she just fly right through his chest? Yeah, why didn't she just light speed through him? Why didn't why didn't she use the gauntlet instead of tony is she probably would have survived just fine. I don't know I mean she is the she's the hyperspace jump of the mcu Is like, what do you do now? Like what do you do now? So, uh, moving forward Tony snatches all of the the gems out of the thing and he I guess made a backup in his own Dude that makes it work. So there's a question a lot of people have of how the hell did he survive having those five stones when Uh, it's pretty much established that if you touch one as a human it'll like obliterate you I guess it's because he's not making direct contact or um I guess I guess it's established that if he could apparently make the first one Then I don't know. I guess using it is the issue like having them is one thing but Using their power is another as another I think that the best explanation we'll have is that he did it quickly I guess he did it. He just did it quickly and yeah Uh, he didn't like hold on to it and I liked by the way that he was able to snatch the stones out of the Thing because it's all nanotech. So it would make sense that that's something you could do And I like the idea that he created a failsafe in his own Suit to account for this that he thought that's a possibility Like yeah, that's all stuff that I think you do. Yeah. Yeah, that's something that Tony Stark would do And there we come to a question Did his snap send them all back to 2014 or kill them all? kill all of the um Badman all of the Chitauri and Thanos Did he kill them or did he send them back from where they came? Why would it send them back rather than kill them? That is my question too But a lot of people online seem to think that he sent them back and I was like I'm pretty sure he murdered them What would that fix?   Uh, he sent them to Medea Medea will take care of them. Yeah, so as far as I can tell he killed them all. I think we're safe to assume that Uh, I quite liked Thanos having his peaceful death Like the end of infinity wall kind of mirrored that he was just like, oh There's no way I can win now. Okay. Yeah, I like that. He just sat down and it's just like he's soaking it up all in Just thinking about it He failed right and this is the thing his character in the beginning of infinity wall talks about how like he's motivated entirely By the fact that he's failed previously. So this must be quite a sad moment for him to be honest.  Oh, I am Iron Man, right?  Nice callback And it's like it's not just like a character thing, but you know, imagine Robert Downey Jr his last lines um He's been doing these movies for 10 years now That's one of his big things is he Robert Downey Jr. Is Iron Man. You know, that's the character that he portrays So it's like he's like the last lines he says is, you know, this is who I am Oh perfect And the following scene with between him and war machine him and spider-man and him and pepper I don't have a problem with any of it. It's sublime. It's everything I wanted So it's up to you guys to criticize it I'm not doing it. It's perfect I don't have any criticisms of that I was so into the film on that moment and I think it's just the fact that I feel like I really have been invested since 2008 Love it so much Um, and this is what what what propel those moments propel it to the the subjective scale for me Like so when you're like all the time travel doesn't make sense The choices people are making and all that stuff and I'm like, yep all those things are problems But uh, this is working this seat is working on me completely uh And yeah, I think the fact that she says Uh, we're gonna we're gonna be fine. You can rest like I don't think they're a better This is a better send-off. There's a better thing to say to his character. That's exactly what he wants. He's always wanted No, there was no moment with I don't think there was anything with captain america though I think it was just spider-man Pepper no, yeah, they show thorn cap reacting to it Yeah, I wish there was almost like some kind of uh, we don't need buck oh wait.  That's how you do it. Good. And then ryan johnson was like, how about we don't show Luke reacting to han doesn't that make it better though? And you're like, no No It's like, oh, well, you guys can do it the cliche way like we already I've seen I come if I mentioned this on e-fab, but people have actually said like why show The scene of of luke reacting to han when we already know he's gonna be upset Get this argument. Do they want to I haven't people will have that position? Yes, ironically. Yes Are they retarded? Is one of those arguments that feels like a couch is itself.  It's like yep. They just ended up that they were all snapped That's uh, they all back a little good Yeah, it would be nice to it would be nice that there is gonna be a line that explains or should have been Where you know, I guess, you know, I guess iron man or I guess tony got to die with his snap you know um, oh, yeah, and I uh, I guess The funeral for tony was like perfect to me. I don't know I mean, I I was down with it. Yeah, I was totally with it The fact that they pan through basically all of the franchises Once they pan from iron man. I was just like, oh man, that's like a Like a meta way of celebrating what that movie did And how it's gonna be, you know, what comes after it as a result As well as it being like an in-universe sort of thank you for killing yourself for everybody's lives sort of thing I like it now. I already know the answer because I had to look it up um Of the three of you when during that funeral scene when it panned through them, you saw that one kid just standing around Who was he? I I know the answer moller. Do you know?  No, he doesn't which is like, why would you even include him?   I really do but I'm the kind of person that's like, okay, we should probably You can't just like if you're gonna try and make a continuity like the mcu You can't just go nah, not this film though and you could say they've done that with hulk But I don't know what they could have taken from hulk. Anyway, they took ross Oh, do you do you think that they should have had something for a black widow?  They both remember Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, but I was just wondering if you think they should have done more I quite liked his voice that I wish he just knew and then she says that I think they both do They both know.   Yeah Yeah, I I thought my biggest issue with it is bucky I I like bucky and I feel like he's never used enough Um, I was yeah, I honestly when I I thought that they would look out And there'd be like two graves and they'd be buried next to each other or something like that. Um if they would do something along that line but I was almost like what bucky is right there. I really like bucky He's standing there.   Um So the problem for falcon is that he's not a super soldier They'll give him a shield I think that he's better off. I like falcon, but he's got his wings and his gadgets and his cool shit And I love the idea that the winter soldier is known as a villain and so he takes on captain america to Try and write his wrongs quote unquote, you know Yeah Yeah, I would have preferred that but I guess there's one good thing and that we get to call him captain falcon now Well, it's almost it I mean, I've seen a lot of people saying like oh, we got valkyrie King and you know, she's uh, she's super diverse and oh now captain america is super diverse and like, okay That's what I got from it too and I was like, oh, I don't like it I was I was like, um bucky though bucky is a we This makes so much less sense than bucky I was irritated with the fact they didn't have enough cap and bucky in this movie Yeah, I mean, I understand like not coming.  She could give him a new identity He could just get a job at some retail place and you know have his life with her I guess Yeah, but then who takes over captain america's place through all the rest of the movies at that point through that timeline I don't know if I don't know. I don't know. I haven't thought enough about how it works like Well, I think the regular captain america that the original would have played out like normal There just would have been another captain america out there basically just being a regular person um It does seem a bit weird, but I don't know. I was a sucker for the fact that he got his dance Yeah, I'm I'm fine with it because I think captain america would just like done the secret identity thing State off the grid just lived a normal life because he knew that his other self would be Around to make all the events happen Um, but yeah, I thought that was really good that he finally got that thing that he really wanted Um Y'all, what did you think of captain america? I'm gonna have to go against the grain a little bit Oh Didn't really like that. He Basically abandoned his post I agree with that captain america I mean, I I against his character in a way. I I I I get wanting to go back for your girl. I mean But it just did not seem in character. I have to agree with wolf there I I think that if he did his captain america stuff Then he would know because he knew that things would work out a certain way And if he became captain america, then he knew there would be a time where another captain america Is, you know brought into the world Yeah, and that would cause serious issues Wait People are saying cap let 9 11 happened You could have stopped it cap It was actually yeah, he probably could have done it and he wouldn't have fucked anything. Well, but if I fact, right Oh, yeah Yeah, I think 9 11 is a that was a pretty serious thing They got that got a lot of stuff in the world happening Um Yeah, no, that's interesting as a take, uh, I've not really thought about whether or not it's in character Because obviously he loves here and he wants to be with here But how much would he want to His whole thing is a man out of time a man in a constant war like he needs a war to continue That's so his whole thing And uh, super altruistic always wants to save lives and make lives better and protect the world And it's just like so what changed what made him decide, you know what we're done Well, I guess we don't know if he didn't do that during his His his go through like did he I mean is there gonna be um It's not stated that he didn't do those things Do what things Just you know save people and do be be like a superhero. Um, I don't know that he wasn't like captain america But I doubt that it didn't influence his life in some way Oh, like he became some form of a vigilante but stayed under the radar It's possible. I mean, we I don't think we have anything to go by to say yes or no um Yeah, sure. Well, I mean, but if he's going back He has to lay low, doesn't he kind of we has to in the sense that yeah, he could lay low But he wouldn't necessarily have to interact with extremely big You know world altering events might need plastic surgery though Because his face for at least 10 years or so it's going to be really easy to recognize At least from unless he grows out that beard again That'll do it. We're a hat Yeah, okay, it seems like people are torn on that I from what I can tell no one's unhappy with iron man's story um A lot of people are unhappy with thaws. I was about to say like yeah, he passes it off He passes as god off to valkyrie, which really didn't sit well with me at all Yeah, I didn't I was like no no no we haven't earned this You need a movie for that honestly.  Yeah, apparently she's gone through a whole lock. We didn't see Great. Yeah, I know right Uh But yeah, thaw ended up with the guardians great potential as far as I'm concerned Yeah, I think that at least we can walk away saying I'm super ready to see a guardians with thor in it Just it's come at expense of what I would consider to be I think it's against his character Do something like I mean it's one thing if he doesn't want to be king If he just doesn't he feels like it's not the thing for him that there's Stuff out there that he needs to do or that he's been given Like what about the other asguards out there and things like that? That's one thing But what if you just have it be so casually passed off to somebody like he made her awards for um or like a steward of Guardians and he's like I need time. I need to find myself.  How do you how do you get I need you to eat this rock Just do it. Don't ask me. It's a magic rock do it because I thought it was weird that they didn't account for that The briefcase thing that cap has is like shouldn't one of those be a liquid or whatever because you gotta inject it Okay, whatever How awkward that be cap travels to asgard and he's like, okay, I need to find natalie polman in asguards I hope no one sees me and I need to inject it with this. I'm just like god That's a whole film right there cap with the rock Um, oh god, that sounds kind of rapey. She wakes up and like I feel so real question How What are the machines for the time traveling machines What are they for what are the time traveling machines for yeah, and I'm waiting for you to give me an answer so that I can Provide a problem when you say time traveling machines Yeah, what do you mean? Those the platforms they step on before time traveling cap does it at the end and they do it obviously in the avengers compound I guess it's Tether or a point. Yeah Like an anchor point at tether because they even say that the little things on their arm. They're like gps's But they're able to that's the reference that the g that the gps uses Well, I mean it's weird that if that's all they are because they do like all kinds of weird crazy shit Right like the the ceiling of it all moves. It's all like moving pieces of metal and glass or whatever I was just wanted just like it's It seems like it's probably doing stuff. I don't know either way Well because they do they do the time travel with ant-man at the beginning and Tests and stuff and they don't have the platform. They just have the truck I guess the truck functions is that platform. I don't know maybe I guess they just in order because they did it three times It took tests Either way wanted to Make it certain because you got a couple of answers in chat like it allows access to the quantum realm it'll act as a Place to you know have time in place a an easy place to come back to sciencey stuff Either way They managed to travel back in time from 2012 to 1970s without any kind of machine. So I was just curious if You know what I mean like I just I have a Was the machine even really full I guess it was to be like the is it just an ankle point for the yeah for them to be able to go back to for it to I'll have to I guess I'll have to just concede on it being an anchor point because I don't see it being anything else really That's it. I would assume either that or in because of the tests that they did once they figured out the right one They were like, all right. This is what we need to do and to make sure there's no issues We build a machine If it's like a waypoint then why does it need all of the crazy tisms around it? You know they're doing all kinds of weird things like wouldn't it just be a tell tell me how the time machine Work technology works Well, apparently it doesn't have anything to do with the machine. It just has to do with their suits and the PIM particles Well, I think the PIM particles in the suits I mean, I think it makes sense that the suits would be would have some connection to the anchor point machine Possibly But then Thanos doesn't do anything like that. Well, he just comes through onto the platform Yeah I don't know. There's probably some weird things going on there. I just it didn't quite I was just like I figured the what they were trying to say was the machines are needed to travel back and forth Someone's saying established and maintains the bridge to the quantum realm awesome Yeah, I don't really know I'm just like, yeah, I don't know. I guess that works. Um, but yeah, that's pretty much it That is the film so Um Anyone else got anything they kind of want to say about it or? um Yeah, about the time travel machine. Well, it's just about the film now. So, um For example, um, has anybody's ratings or feelings changed on it while talking about definitely a lot of objective issues But I still feel like there is enough. I still love it I think my I think I'll bump down my objective from a six to a Hey, what? I don't know. I'm thinking. Uh, low maybe like a I might put it As a four to five four or five maybe 4.5 Yeah, objectively. Yeah Well, then now that I think about it There's a lot of weird stuff that I can't really definitively say is bad or not because it's all weird time travel stuff Yeah, there's a lot I need to understand before I can say it's bad. I guess It's like it's like a rival in a way. It's like it's so ambiguous and can be interpreted in multiple ways And even the people who say that we're wrong disagree with each other so Um, I leave it as a five because there's definitely issues definitely issues I was gonna say I'm pretty much stable on five before I find more out about the film Yeah But and subjectively I'm still gonna I still think the strengths just make up for all of the the weaknesses Oh, that was y'all's I was changing Doesn't matter any way I didn't change it um Wolf Uh, yeah, I am safe with saying Five objectively, uh, I guess I never was really as invested in the mcu In general so I can't really change subjectively over like a seven. I still really like it though Even though it has like a lot of really big issues Oh, was there a post-credits scene? No, no, okay I think so Because the people the the people in theater said Because the the ushers for the theater were telling folks don't worry.  Oh, Jesus Christ My theater has been packed pretty much all hours of the day for the past three days Their opening is made 1.2 billion Holy fuck. Yeah, this is this is destroying records this movie 1.2 billion is their opening It was referred to as their opening weekend 1.2 billion for an opening in the in the weekend.  It's the only movie that has a chance to knock avatar off its throat I hope it does. It's way better than avatar I can't remember much of avatar, but I didn't really like it that much. Let's watch it again for e-fat movie We could I'd be okay with that Pocahontas in space Um, but yeah, er is your ratings are they the same? Yeah, pretty much I'm not a huge Marvel guy, so subjectively. I mean, I understand that the fan service is pretty on point I thought but It doesn't affect me as much Yeah, I think that makes a better much sense I guess I'll leave it to chat for a few minutes Just at me if there's something in the film you feel like we didn't talk about we'll do our best to try and Cover it quickly before we move on so I saw one of them was um Cap returning the soul stone is like For one, how do you even do that and two wouldn't it have been cool to see him see red skull?  How would that conversation go down?  That's kind of cool.  I was like, okay one even if he did love anything He can't sacrifice it because he's on his own. It wasn't gonna do sacrifices cloak. Did he love it? I don't know. Maybe maybe he's only clothing so probably it's all that he has is his cloak So he develops an actual real Throw me the whole movie out of that. Then you see naked red skull floating around with his soul stone We can have like a castaway in space but with red skull I really like this soul stone, but I wish I had my cloak back We've been through so much Oh, you forgot to change rags racing from six to five. Uh, I mean, it's not too big of a deal. He said it I'm not going to keep these. I'm just going to delete the no pad. Anyway Hulk arm regeneration I mean hulk stayed in a good arm thing throughout the whole movie didn't he? Yeah, he was in a cast during the funeral Um We covered the fortnight thing How long till we get big brain videos about how objectively endgame was terrible. Um I will say I really liked the rock dude with Thor. I like seeing him again I really liked him in rock rock. It was nice to see him again.  I had to say but I'm disappointed that nick fury didn't get one line Yeah, he shows up at the very end and he's like, where have you been? Did you have you could have helped?  It was literally it Tony Stark was one bad mother Like like of all the things all the movies that he should have said it It should have been this one or infinity Imagine if stew would have been if he had turned up in the final fight just running forward and shooting his pistol Why you Gamora got snapped by Tony Back to uh, wait the the This is the super chat. What was the super chat?  Yeah, go find it Well, you have the list mine only goes back so far. I have no idea. There's a few of them rags You realize rags. There's been like 300 super chats. I don't know which one you're referring to What whatever we were reading before I said something We don't know How is that your how is that I wasn't reading super chats. I was reading questions Then read what was the question Which one I've read for you were saying right before I said something that we didn't really answer Uh The one oh, so How long until we get big brain videos about how objectively end game was terrible? Thus, tlj was amazing and objectively better than end game java Videos at mola See it wasn't that hard to just get the question to read it again. I had no idea what you were referring to Well, I thought we were that's what we were doing. No, so you made a mistake. That's okay No, that chat was really super Uh, yeah, well the thing is objectively speaking It still ranks higher than tlj because it actually takes care of a decent chunk of characters Um, it gives the protagonist of the mcu probably the best ending you can give him so Yeah Like I don't understand how you could possibly argue like compare luke's journey to iron man's And it's Yeah in terms of quality Um, yeah gamora got snapped by tony. Uh, we don't we don't know for sure that happened No, I don't well Theory would be that tony snapped all of the bad men and maybe gamora counted because she was still in the art I don't know. I would assume that she's Not snapped and the guardians three will be about trying to find her. I don't know All right, then. Uh, did you guys talk about the rat? Yeah, we did. Um Women yep Nebula live when she killed part of this. How does nebula live when she killed her past self? She killed an alternate timeline version of herself That is that is it, right? Supposedly Um, how does cap return the test right back to the box? I have no idea how the way he returns to all of these things. I don't know how it all goes Um got a couple of tweet stuff to go through as well What happened to peggy's children and husband uh I guess the idea is the her husband the whole time was cap Unless he's literally just invaded it and now erase those and then there's the question of did he kiss his own niece or whatever Sharon Carter. How's that work? And I guess he didn't care about Sharon Carter really Are there did he make super soldier babies? That's another thing That works That's gonna be a quite the delivery Um avengers assemble was pretty cool. What do you said that? Yep, this is cool Yeah Arrelal between peter and tony's deaths I suppose you could you could definitely draw that they have the reverse both scenes. I guess Would you marry brie larson? Hmm Rags would you like to answer that? Oh god. No, she sends like a terrible person Like out of out of the movie.  You wouldn't say that if it was Thor I'd rather marry nebula She'd probably kill me, but at least it wouldn't be annoying In a twitter and prep as well. There's so many things to do guys Stop with the things Even if time travel makes sense still bad because it shittly explained I mean, this is kind of my conclusion on it right now is that um This it it's so hard to follow in the movie as well that it's just like we're in trouble um What about the toady stark axe body pray spray product placement Actually, honey, right? Oh, I didn't all right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah in the That's weird. I didn't see it as product placement. I was just like, yeah, I he seems like the type who would Yeah, because you know that you notice it on people like if it was a product placement Then why would they maybe be making fun of it? Oh, yeah, how would the duck was in the fight? Do you guys see that? I didn't he was you had a gun and everything Yeah I don't remember this. How are the duck movie when oh, I can't wait for him to be in guardians 3 Was he in the background or yeah, he's just he's easy to miss I think I've seen screenshots where he's uh our Do you talk about how thaws friends are still alive even though Thanos blew up thaws ship and infinity wall He blew up half of their ship The other half somehow made it to earth. We did talk about that though. Yeah, it's not explained Loki's obviously Loki's gonna get a tv show to explain what happened to him. I think Um Oh, yeah, I love you 3 000 in cheeseburg as I liked both of those things. Oh god Yeah, I love you 3 000.  Oh my god I love you.  No, I kept myself together like I kept composed but My face was a mess Uh, I was like this there's a child sitting next to me and he just he couldn't he doesn't understand How much this means to me? I thought of the kid's reactions to Tony I was quite sad with as well. She looks she looked she had the right face on of like That face concerned and they're just like oh man, even though he saw those two for very brief It was just like the idea of it all very uh Very sad, um But yeah, I think we've pretty much covered most of this so i'm gonna skip ahead to the next And the thing we're supposed to be doing here um Yeah, so there's just two infinitiable things one. I thought was amusing the other one. Um It's just a take from somebody that I didn't expect so is everybody in the watch together Yeah, yeah, exciting Um, let me let me close my interstellar marines tab You still had that up It was it was just a tab on hello Oh, no This isn't what I wanted to see. Oh my god. Is that what he looks like my god He looks even worse without the beard. I think yeah, I think it might have been a compensation beard like because Oh Oh my god Quinton, I can't believe I'm saying this grow the beard back out man. This is a really Fugly look for you.  He hasn't seen captain bobble Apparently and so this is his take on captain bobble from this movie. I just thought this was a music It's like also, I don't want to be mean and I I don't want people to get the wrong idea But in captain marvel stand alone movie is she like Uh, interesting or funny or cool or fun to be around She ain't any of that in this movie Neither are you going on trying to not trying to be a downer But it's just like I've watched your scenes and she has this mansplaining vibe. That's the only way I can explain it It's like a mansplaining. She has a mansplaining vibe I agree with Quinton. She does have a mansplaining vibe What does that mean though? You know how the women who bitch Captain marvel's whole movie was essentially At least her backstory, you know, as men were putting her down and saying she couldn't do stuff and trying to keep her down and all that stuff There's a lot of the old girl power stuff Mansplaining is one of those things that like women say all the time like bitchy women I'll always say and she puts out that bitch vibe In a way that I think is is accurate say she puts out a mansplaining vibe Do you mean like condescending or uh, yeah, yeah, that's what yeah mansplaining is extremely condescending I just I don't know why people are using the word. Isn't mansplaining just when a man explains something It's the people who use mansplaining at all like if somebody legitimately uses mansplaining as an actual term Of a thing that happens You know what you're getting into All right. Well Nice wolf Hey, and then so the the other take is a twitter one that I thought was amused. Oh, yeah So this is I'll send you all through uh the chat and then obviously people will see it Yeah The h-bomber guy was talking about how the plot doesn't make sense with shone on twitter and he said In response to people no, but it's actually very deep that the character motivations make no sense Was the defense of Thanos in the last movie? So I assume you can slot that one in here. Whatever. It's a film for small children I hope they enjoy it He uh, he got blasted for this Uh by his fan base.  I don't know if you want to read this out ranks Hello, I am film discourse dog. I have a diploma in talking about films using my smart boy brain I have discovered that it is okay to like a film But I'll say also okay for people to criticize problems with it and no one is a bad person for doing either of those things I love you. That's our thing. I thought that was our thing. Yeah That's what we do How come we're villains for it? And when he says it it's like Okay And then he follows up with uh, the next one because it Yeah, um Yeah, I'll I'll read it. Well, it's Just here we go. I have seen many fellow scholars repeat the notion Hating a popular thing doesn't make you cool And while this is true, I find that it is more useful to either take people's criticism seriously Instead of being dismissive like this or just move on with your life Mainstream things deserve criticism Okay I was so confused. I was like, um All right I guess I agree with this. Yeah, but I thought that he disagreed with this All right These are slimy people who don't have consistency Yeah confusing to say the least but um, that's why he deletes tweets people don't like and then substitutes them with shit that they will Um, and so next up is just a cavalcade of of uh memes for us to to get through. These are gonna be relatively amusing I would hope But uh, this is one. There's a guy who's trying to draw. I think pictures Like per stream and you started doing them. So this is just one of them. I like that.  I don't know why they didn't put a pizza in there, but I mean Oh, yeah, well if the pizza is implied I think I already ate the pizza. I showed fringy this and he liked it. I thought this was pretty cool Frogled croak not today, sir He's good sheets elicits This one's really weird. That's all I'm going to say. I don't know what to make of it. It was on twitter Hello wolf. No, I will never watch the lord of the rings not as long as I have milk to be squeezed through my right Um That's All right, I I don't know what to make of jay's head coming out