Okay, welcome back everyone to our second lecture on BC 308. I'm sorry if in the previous hour my audio was not clear enough. My settings was not correct. I just corrected it. So maybe the audio is a little better this time. Not sure. Okay, thank you John. Thank you. All right, so let's continue from where we paused. We are looking at the church at Pergamos and the Lord has a problem with this church because of the doctrine that they have embraced. So we are talking about our application to us today. So as pastors, as leaders, we have to be very careful. What kinds of teachings we subscribe to. And I can tell, I can speak for myself. As a pastor, I try to be very careful because there are so many things outside. So many kinds of teachings that go on. And I don't want to kind of name all these things, but there's so many things going on. So many. In the Christian world, the real test is when you think about some kind of a teaching that suddenly you hear somebody say, some group of people start preaching. The test is, what is the fruit of this kind of teaching? Is it leading people closer to Jesus? Is it leading people to be more committed to God's Word? Is it leading people into a more communion, fellowship with the Lord? And is it leading people to a place of strength and unity? Or is a result of this doctrine or this kind of teaching, taking people away from God to other things? Is it taking people away from the commitment to the Word of God, the written scriptures, the Word of God and to fellowship with the Holy Spirit, taking away from them, taking that away from that. Or is it taking people away from a place of walking Christ-like, making them proud, arrogant, disrespectful, disunity, division, hate. So we have to evaluate all these teachings that are going on. Be to be careful.  I read it in that book or heard it here. You have to evaluate. And especially as a leader or as a pastor, you're overseeing the church because if we embrace it, we tolerate that kind of doctrine and it is actually leading people away from their commitment to the Lord, it's dangerous. It's so dangerous that the Lord says, I will fight against you with the Word of my mouth, with the sword of my mouth. In other words, he's going to bring something in to correct that. He's not going to tolerate it. There's going to be that correction coming. And thank God for the correction, but it's not going to be easy. It's like a sword cutting through, you know, because the Lord is saying, I need to correct that in the church, I cannot tolerate that. So it's better to just prevent those kinds of things from coming in. How do we do that practically? Then as a leader or as a pastor or somebody caring for God's people, it's so important that you watch over yourself. You stay committed to God's Word. You stay committed to the Holy Spirit.  You know, don't get caught up with things here and they always come back to the Scriptures. Come back to it. For example, the prophetic is good. There's a place for the prophetic Word. A lot of God guides us and God gives us direction through the prophetic Word. It's good. There's a place for it in the church, but we cannot live just by the prophetic Word. We have to live by the written Word of God too. And the written Word of God is superior to the prophetic Word because every prophetic Word has to be tested by the written Word. But what happens in some places is the only thing they do is listen to the prophetic Word. Oh, so and so gave me a prophecy. I'm living by that. Somebody else gave me a prophecy. I said, do you read your Bible? Do you read the Scriptures? Do you study the Scriptures? Do you find out what is there, what the Lord has given so much to guide us in all aspects of our life? Are you basing your faith on the Word of God? No. You're just living by one prophecy after another, one prophetic Word after another. Now that's a dangerous place. Is prophecy good? Yes. Is prophetic Word good? Yes. God, there's a place for it in the church, but it cannot take the place of the Word of God, the written Scriptures. So I'm just giving one example where as a leader, yes, you can listen to prophecies and prophetic words, but you must come back to the written Word of God, build your life on the Word and make sure that the people you are leading also build their life on God's holy words. Prophecy has a place. We welcome it, we test it, and then we follow through on it, but we don't let prophecy guide and dictate everything in our lives. No, we don't do that. Just an example. So like this, you think about various teachings, there are going on, and protect yourself, protect the people, because that's the problem here with the church in Pergamos. They tolerated doctrine which actually led the people of God into a lifestyle that was so against Jesus Christ, immorality and idolatry. Now, in today's world, it may not necessarily be idolatry, the sense of going and worshiping idols, or it may not even be immorality, the sense of sexual immorality. But remember, in spiritual terms, anything that takes the place of God is an idol. Anything that takes the place of God in our lives is an idol. Or for me to set my affection on anyone or anything else, other than God himself, that is spiritual adultery. James writes in James 4 and verse 4, he writes to the believers, he says, you adulterers and adulteresses, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? So here he's not talking about literal adultery, he's talking about spiritual. That their friendship with the world, their affection that was set on the things of the world, he says that spiritual adultery, adulterers and adulteresses, don't you know friendship with the world is enmity with God. So that's also something to be careful about. The teaching may not be causing people to go and worship a physical idol, but the teaching may take the place of Jesus Christ with something else. That's idolatry. Or the teaching may cause the affections of people to be placed on someone or someone else other than the Lord. That's idolatry, that's adultery, spiritual adultery. So keep that in mind that we have to discern things carefully and protect the people of God, protect ourselves and protect the people of God. Alright, one more. Let's read now. Any comments, anybody wants to say anything? Any thoughts on the church in Purgamos? Alright, let's move forward. Revelation chapter 2 verses 18 to 29. This is the church in Thyatira. Somebody could read that passage for us please. Revelation 2, 18 to 29. And to the angel of the church in Thyatira, right.  I know your works, love, service, faith and your patience. And as for your works, the last are more than the first.  And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality and she did not repent.    But hold fast what you have till I come and he who overcomes and keeps my works until the end. To him I will give power over the nations. He shall rule them with a rod of iron and they shall be dashed into pieces like the potter's vessels. I also have received from my father and I will give him the morning star. He who has a near let him hear what the spirit says to the churches. Thank you. So the church in Taithira, interesting. See how the Lord again introduces himself to the church. He says look I am the Lord. I've got eyes like a flame of fire and feet like fine brass. Eyes like fire. I'm testing everything. Brass represents judgment. That means I'm going to judge. Feet trample over. I'm going to judge. Flame of fire. Eyes like flame of fire. I'm testing everything. Evaluating everything. Feet of brass I will judge. He introduces because of what is going on in that church. Now this church is seemingly doing well because they have works. They have love. They have service. They have faith. They have patience. And they are increasing in their works. So if you look at it, seems like a very good church, very dynamic church. They have works. They have love, faith and service. All the good, right qualities that you would look for in a local church. But once again in this church, similar to the church in Pergamot, they have a similar problem. But this problem is very specifically propagated by one person, one individual. In this case, there is a woman and we're not saying there's something wrong with women or we don't want to... This could have been a man. A man also could have done this. But in this particular case, there is a woman. Her name is Jezebel. And she claims to be a prophetess. So this is a self-proclaimed prophetess. That means she's showing forth prophetic manifestations which could have included prophecies and other such things. But the real, the problem is what she's teaching and what she's practicing. So the church has embraced her. The church has embraced a prophetess. So obviously for her prophetic expressions, prophetic ministry, the church has accepted her. But what is she leading people into? She is leading people into committing immorality and idolatry. Now, you and I will stop and think about this and say, hey, if I saw a prophet or a prophetess leading people to commit immorality and idolatry, we would tell them to leave. We wouldn't tolerate it. Because obviously those things are wrong. So, and I'm just using my imagination here. We can't say, you know, it's a thing. You know, how could a church that is so good in the sense they have works, love, service, faith, patience, they're growing in all these things. How could they put up with someone like this? I'm just using my imagination. My imagination is maybe in public, this woman was so good as a prophetess. Now we know there are other prophetesses in the Bible. So God is not against a prophetess. He raises our prophets and prophetesses or men and women in prophetic ministry. He raises them up. But in this particular case, in this particular case, this woman, she seemed to have a, you know, a visible, good prophetic message. People all embraced her, but it's likely that to those who followed her or who embraced her to her, the result in their lives was idolatry and immorality. Maybe this thing was happening in secret. Maybe this thing was happening in a way where publicly it's not known. And so publicly people are seeing this so-called prophetic expression in ministry. But privately, those who are coming close to her are being led into immorality and idolatry. Possible. I'm just using my imagination here. Because it's not happening in public. Privately this is going on. But the Lord is seeing. Eyes like a flame of fire. He's seeing these things. And the Lord is saying, I gave her time to repent of her, verse 21, of her immorality, but she did not repent. Meaning the Lord is waiting for her to repent. So that also asks us the question, was this person genuine or was she false? Was she a false prophetess or was she a true prophetess who had some problems going on? It seems like, and I'm not saying for sure, but because the Lord is giving her time to repent, which means that this woman knew the truth. She knew that what I'm doing is wrong. I need to get back to the Lord. So it's possible that maybe she was genuine on one side, but she had this whole sinful life behind the scenes going on. And God is saying, hey, I'm being patient. You get your life together. Don't do these things. But she didn't repent. She didn't renounce those wickedness. So what's going to happen? This judgment going to come in the feet of brass. The judgment in verse 22 and 23. What's going to happen? There's going to be sickness. There's going to be great tribulation. There's going to be death. And the churches will know that I searched the hearts and minds. So something is going to happen that's going to expose all of this. There's going to be sickness, death, tribulation. Those who are participating in all of these things. And churches, God's people will know that our God searches the hearts and minds. And He judges our works. And He continues in verse 24. And what I want to see is this, that participating in this kind of doctrine is actually going into the depths of Satan. Verse 24. So that means this woman who claimed to be a prophetess, participating in this kind of teaching, under this kind of ministry that actually led people into immorality and idolatry is actually taking people into the depths of Satan. It's not taking them into God. It's taking them deeper into the devil. And that's a very serious thing. And he says, he's telling the church to hold fast to what they have to overcome. So how would this kind of play out in today's world? And what should we be careful of? So there seems to be two sides to this person. There seems to be this prophetic expression. Like I said, this man or woman may have wonderful prophetic ministry that people seem to receive. But the fruit of that, the result of whatever they're teaching, preaching in the ministry is people are being drawn into the depths of Satan. They've been taken deeper into the devil. They're not being taken into God. Now we don't know for sure whether this person has started right and ended wrong or is completely wrong. We don't know exactly where they started. But the Lord has given this person time to get things right with God. They didn't get it. They didn't repent. And so God is going to deal with them. There's going to be exposure. There's going to be judgment. There's going to be sickness and death. They're going to face the outcome. But the problem with this church is this. They allowed verse 20. They allowed that woman to minister among them. So as leaders, you have to be careful whom we give access to into the local church. What is the effect and the impact of their teaching and ministry on the lives of people? Is it taking them deeper into the devil or is it moving them to God? Is it leading them into adultery and immorality? Is it displacing the place of God and the affection for the Lord? What is the effect? What is the outcome of the ministry? So we have to be careful whom we allow to teach and minister among the people. So it's kind of similar to Pergamot. But in this case, there was an actual person who was being entertained in this church. Being entertained in this local church in Thyatira. In the previous case, it was more of an embracing of doctrine. In this case, there was a person who was being tolerated or embraced and welcomed and given a platform and allowed to do things even though the result was people are being taken away from the Lord. This is where discernment is needed. As pastors, as leaders, we have to be discerning. You don't just look at the ministry per se because people can come with wonderful ministry. You look at the fruit. Where is this leading people to? What is the outcome? What is the practice, not just the preaching, but what is the practice that is taking place? Sometimes this happens behind the scenes. So we have to be even more careful. It may not be very apparent. It may not be very obvious. What is seen is maybe a very nice ministry. But what is happening afterwards? Where are people being led? How are their lives being affected? We have to understand themself. So be very careful. As shepherds, we have to watch over the sheep, God's people, and protect them. And then you look at the reward that the Lord gives promises to these people. He says, you overcome. You will have power over the nations. You will rule over them. Each of these rewards to the overcomer is something that all believers will enjoy in time to come. It's for all of us as believers, as overcomers, that we will receive from the Lord and we will enjoy in time to come. Any thoughts or any questions before we move forward? I'm going to pick up speed a little bit. Any thoughts or any questions? I'm happy with this pastor. So when it says in verse 19, I know your words learn, solicit and be patient. On the last phase, I swear once the last are more than the first. I just want to know the meaning of the phrase. What does it mean by the last are more than the first? And I also want to know about verse 28 where it says, I'll give him the morning star. What does morning star actually means? And verse 27, I'm thinking it's about the believers who believe. I just believe that. So just want to know about these thoughts. Sure. Yeah. So verse 19, the last are more than the first. That means your recent works are more than what you started with. That means your works are increasing. It's a good church. They're growing and all that they're doing, they're increasing, expanding. The recent works are more than the beginning. Verse 28, I'll give him the morning star. So the morning star, because Christ himself is referred to as the morning star. That's in 1 Peter 1, I think it is. Yeah. The morning star will arise in your hearts. Or maybe it's in 2 Peter 1. 2 Peter, let me just give you the correct reference. 2 Peter, verse 19, until the day dawn, the morning star rises in your hearts. 2 Peter 1, 19. So it's referring to Jesus, right? 2 Peter 1, 19. I will give him the morning star. It's almost like Jesus saying, I am your reward. Right? So Jesus is the bright and morning star. And I will give him the morning star. I will give I am the reward. And verse 27, yes, that's about the believers ruling over the nations during the millennium. Right? Yeah. And also one more question about Jesus. So people say there is a spirit of Jezebel and they cast out demons like that. When they say that, I cast out the spirit of Jezebel in you. Is that, just ask me, I like Jezebel first. I think somewhere in first king also, someone named Jezebel was there. So when, like when, especially people who cast out demons, they say, they say these things. Yes, Jezebel was there. I just want to know, is there really a spirit of Jezebel? All right. So when you look at what happened in the church, I mean, I'm talking about the Christian church, current Christian church, I think back in the 90s, in the 90s, there was this big teaching on the Jezebel spirit. And you know, I started somewhere in America and somebody wrote a book, I think on it. People say everybody started talking, Jezebel spirit, Jezebel spirit, Jezebel spirit. And it spread everywhere. There's also the 90s. And the background to that, you know, they used this passage from Revelation 2, the same church, because there was this woman named Jezebel. And they connected this with Jezebel, the wife of King Ahab, who this is first Kings, I think chapter 19, 20, somewhere there, who she, I mean, she did a lot of bad things. She brought an idolatry into the land of Israel and she threatened Elijah, the prophet and Elijah, the prophet became scared and ran away for his life.  It is a, you know, manipulative spirit, seducing spirit, all kinds of things. And so this whole Jezebel spirit teaching spread through the Christian church, you know, in the 1990s and sometimes even today some people preach and teach those things. But the thing is this, look, we know there are evil spirits, and we know that evil spirits instigate all kinds of evil things. And generally, we call spirits by the name of what they do. So if it's an unclean spirit, we call it unclean spirit. It's a spirit of fear. We call it a spirit of fear. If it's a spirit of depression, we call it a spirit of depression. So we associate, we call it by the name of what it is doing.  Right. And so are there controlling spirits? Are there seducing spirits? Are there dissaving spirits? Are there spirits that cause manipulation? Yeah, they're all. But then to take the name of a woman, Jezebel, and then give that name Jezebel to a Jezebel spirit.  You know, why can't you call it Mary's spirit or Susan's spirit? I don't know what it is. I mean, why take the name of this? I mean, yeah, I understand. Jezebel was King Ahab's wife. She promoted idolatry and she controlled Ahab and manipulated Ahab. And she threatened Elijah and so I mean, we understand that. But we don't need to make a doctrine out of those things, right? Just call the spirit by the name and if you see something happening, there's manipulation. Yeah, call it. Yeah, there's some there's a manipulative spirit here. Don't just say it's a Jezebel spirit because it could be a man who's doing the manipulation. It could be a man who's doing an interpretation. Oh, this man has a Jezebel spirit. No, he's just manipulating. He's controlling. So this controlling manipulation could be done by men or women and they, you know, we just have to be discerning. So, you know, when I heard that teaching of the Jezebel spirit back in the 1990s, people preaching, writing books on it. So I mean, yeah, there is some element of truth in it in the sense there are evil spirits that are causing these things. But to take the name Jezebel and put it to every situation, I think it's not a right thing to do. Deal with the spirit. Deal with the spirit by its name because there could be a man or a woman doing this. And yeah, so yeah, things have now died out. You don't hear about it too much, but every now and then somebody says Jezebel spirit. But that's the background to it. It started in the 1990s and and it's sometimes still continues. People use those terms today. Yeah. All right, let's move forward. Let's go to chapter three revelation chapter three. We've got three more churches to finish and let's see if we can do them now. The church in Sardis will read verses one to six, please. Somebody could read that for us. Verses one to six, the dead church and to the angel of the church in Sardis. Right. These things says he who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your works that you have a name that you are alive. But you are dead. Be watchful and strengthen the things which remain that are ready to die. For I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember, therefore, how you have received and heard hold fast and repent. Therefore, if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief and you will not know what are I will come upon you. You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments and they shall walk with me in white for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments and I will not plot out his name from the book of life. But I will confess his name before my father and before his angels. He who has in your let him hear what the spirit says to the churches. Thank you. So the church in Sardis, see how the Lord introduces himself to the church in Sardis. He says he that's the Lord Jesus is the one with the seven spirits and seven stars. That means seven spirits offering to the perfect complete anointing of the spirit. I remember we said that we mentioned this earlier from chapter one, seven spirits doesn't mean there are seven Holy Spirits. There's only one Holy Spirit, but seven represents perfection completion.  And he has the seven stars. Who are the seven stars? Because explain to us in chapter one and also early part of chapter two. The seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches is holding the messengers, the stars. Each star representing one of those messengers is holding them inside. So who's Jesus? He's the perfectly anointed one who's holding the messengers of each of these churches in his hands. Calling them accountable to the church in Sardis. He says I know your works. You have a name that you're alive, but you are dead. Think about that. You have a name that you're alive. It means you have a reputation. People are saying, whoa, this church is alive. You have a name that you're alive. This is vibrant. This is really exciting. But the Lord Jesus is telling them you are dead. So two things. What people say and what the Lord says. People are saying you're alive. Wow, very vibrant, very active, very wonderful church. But the Lord is saying you've got no life. You're dead. So this is a very serious, serious situation. That means I shouldn't be paying. I shouldn't be going by what people are saying. I shouldn't be going by reputation. Because people could be saying, wow, you're alive. You're very nice. You're like this. You're like that. But I should be saying, Lord Jesus, what are you saying about us? What are you saying about the church? Are we really alive? Are we really where we should be? I shouldn't be going by what people are saying. Because what people could be saying, even though it may be very nice, it could be totally wrong. So something to think about. That's what was happening with the church in Sardis. What was the reason? What was the reason? You can find the reasons in verse 2 and 3. He says in verse 2, be watchful. I mean, look at what's going on. Look at what's going on.  Because I've not found your works perfect before God. So that's the first problem. Your works have not been perfect before God. Second problem, verse 3. Remember how you receive and heard hold fast and repent. Second problem. So two problems. One, this church has works. That's why they have a name. They're alive. He says, I know your works. But the problem is their works are not perfect before God. It's like, you know, if you want to summarize it or put it in different simple words, it's like they're doing a lot of things, but they're not doing the things God wants them to do. They're doing a lot of things which people are saying, wow, this church is alive. Look at all the things they're doing. But the things they're doing are not the things God wants them to do.  He says, there are a few things which remain.  They're almost ready to die. You've got to hold on to that thing, those things. Second problem, remember how you've received and heard. That means he's saying, hey, remember, that means that something happened in the past, what they have received, what they've heard. That means they have gone away from the founding or foundational truths that they were given. Remember what you have heard, what you have received, because they've gone away. Hold on to it and repent when you get back to it. So two problems with the church in Sardis. They've got works which people say they are very alive, but those are not the works God, the Lord wants them to be doing. The works are not perfect before God. Second, the very core, the very foundational, the very essential truths, what they have received and heard, they've gone away from it. They've not held, they've not held fast to it, which means they have replaced those truths, the things that they've heard and received with some other things. But they have a reputation. People are saying they are alive. Wow, what a very nice church. They are alive, but the Lord is saying a problem with their works and a problem with what they are holding on to. They are not holding on to the truth which they received and heard. That's been replaced with something else. Maybe some compromising message or compromising teaching or something else has replaced what they once heard and received, which was the truth.  I'm going to come suddenly when you don't even expect and I'm going to deal with these things. So what does this tell us for us today as a church? It tells us, like I said, I cannot go by the reputation. And for us as pastors and leaders, this is something very, very careful, where to be very careful, because yeah, lots of people will come and tell us, oh, nice church, nice community, nice fellowship, nice worship, this, that, you know, as a pastor, you might feel good about those things. And I'm not saying, you know, we don't listen to it. Of course, we hear all those things. But when we hear all those things, we just have to go before God and say, God, people are saying these things. But I want to know what you say. What do you say about us, God? Are we in the right place? Are we doing the right things? Are we doing the things you want us to do? Or are we just doing a lot of good works which are not perfect in your eyes? So as a leader, that's how cautiously we have to walk and pray before God. Lord, I want to be doing the things you want, we want to be doing the things that you want us to be doing. We want our works to be perfect for you. Otherwise, there's no point. The second is, we must hold fast to the things that we have heard and received, which is, like I said earlier, the Word of God. Hold on to this. Stay true to the Word of God. Don't let go of the very foundational, fundamental, elementary but very core teachings of the Bible, the preaching of the cross, the preaching of Jesus Christ, who He is, the work of the Holy Spirit in the church. I mean, don't let go of these things. These are the things we have received, which we have heard. They may be very basic, may be very core, very fundamental. We've got to hold on to that. So two very important lessons. Stay, stay with the Word. Just the teaching, the basic, pure teaching of God's Word. And make sure that the works we engage in are the works God wants us to do. And then there is the promise.  So that's the blessing of the Overcomer. Okay. I know we've got two more churches to do. I think we'll have to leave it for next week. And then we're going to get into the things that are going to unfold in the studying of the rapture of the church and so on. Yeah. So let's leave that for next week. Any thoughts, any comments or questions about the church in Sardis before we close in prayer? Okay. All right. Could somebody please lead us in prayer? Then we close. We'll continue this next week. Could somebody lead us please? Heavenly Father, we want to thank you for this opportunity. Lord, we humble ourselves once again for your presence as you spoke to us today, God, even with everything that we do in ministry, Lord, we pray that yes, your people help us to do your works, help us to come back to you every time, help us to get affirmation from you.  And we pray that your kingdom be established in this world of God. And we thank you for this opportunity to listen. We thank you in Jesus' name. We pray. Amen. Thank you, everyone. Have a good rest of the day. We'll connect again next week. Thank you. Bye now.


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Mr. Zuckerberg was just stunned by the ferocity and the logic, I think, of Holly's questioning. And he was a dear in the headlights look, but I've never seen a dear in the headlights stand up, turn towards you and apologize, which he did to the audience at Holly's urging. It's a remarkable moment. It felt historic, but at the same time, number one, he had to be shamed into it. Number two, there was no admission to fault. And number three, it's meaningless if nothing changes. Holly used their own stats at Metta against them. He said, number one, 37% of girls ages 13 to 15 experienced unwanted nudity in the past week. 24% unwanted sexual advances and 17% self-harm content. And this week at Holly's request, the Senate took up by unanimous consent whether to pass a bill allowing people victimized by this material online to sue. And it was blocked by Senator Ron Leiden of Oregon, so it went nowhere.


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fecundo torres mickey perrera is messy pitch prodigies oan wolf getting guys we do have forest coming in at five o'clock today we'll get some more group breaks going um kermashie pitch prodigies say soccer ball insert um new england revolution in the parallel it's like a relic it's gonna be nico ledero on the um player worn uh memorabilia for seattle nico ledero reek tyree pitch prodigies ben uh brendan craig rookie kabouda and soccer ball is portland timbers on the parallel chicharito prodigies miguel perez there's a lot kato we'll get some um tops chrome going after this appreciate you sir for the order only one box after this as well one box after this one we want to get something else going here stephan um buke pitch prodigies rookie a couple more pitch prodigies ben bender that's pretty good that's right shady what's up jumbo what's up jumbo no benjamin saint juiced that's right uh sir waddup pitch prodigies got a um fc sentinati soccer ball insert parallel buke and nico ledero again on the player worn memorabilia back to back there for the sounders nico ledero player worn relic and that'll do it for the mls um or tops mls appreciate you there good luck on tops chrome update now appreciate you kato got the jumbo good luck good luck tyree oh my god tyreek donnie donnie you're gonna lose by 200 you're gonna lose by 200 donnie hey what's up clubhouse clubhouse what up what is going on good luck on this one kato there's a auto it's gonna be um yuri dale osantos the 499 on the refractor rookie auto dude tyreek is ridiculous man he is ridiculous hard rock only allows 50 on the boost dude i wish they allow more 499 there on the refractor adolis garcia action stars and seth lugo refractor he is so good man 60 yards dude is so good hey what's up rod rod what up sam and his thoughts on fsu i don't know about sam's thoughts yeah he don't care sam uh sam went to ithica yeah he don't care about no fs i don't know about sam's thoughts don't care my thoughts are yeah we don't even care about my thoughts are uh yeah there's a future stars rookie corbin carol got a prism rookie debut talk ravi al-tube and ben attendee ben attendee yeah no that's uh i'm the one who went to fsu i'm the uh the noh alumni i'm the uh upset one sam don't care i went there but shan was there shan was in a different degree shan was in tallahassee there's a titans rookie jordan walker four strong years titans uh aussie albie's got kasas on the um action stars and yori parets nice refractor there mayan yeah i'm pretty much i'm over it i've pretty much expected that to happen they uh they like money more than what happens during the season so 13 no they only care about one player on our team of 55 power five yeah they only care about one player on our team make it it's all good was there three teams in there with one loss yeah or no two teams two bam on texas there's a edward julian prism rookie pete lanzo and brenton doil refractor rookie yeah it's uh is what it is rod is what it is i expected it we're boycottin yeah i probably won't be doing much much watching to those games to be honest not too interested that'll work saw his face there blue auto ray wave 250 is corbin carol boom there you go kato that's what you're looking that's what we're doing now 20 of 150 we'll mag that for you sir that's what nice rookie auto corbin carol there we go kato get that in a mag for you dancey swanson and robbie grossman refractor yeah it's it's worse for the team man they just get told that none of them matter only jordan travis mattered that's what they get told so it is worse for them for sure told that none of them are good to 75 got a yellow mini diamond set lu go for the pod race the dolphins are good so dolphins are good tyree kill is good tyree kill is good he's probably got 40 points already there's a yellow mini diamond um there's a kintama yeda prism and riley green on the rookie refractor and tanner bibby refractor debut nice little refractor for rookies there all righty kato second half good luck good luck yeah right out of my saw corbin was buying some of his cards that is pretty cool he bought a uh super fracter of him oh yeah he said evan longoria convinced him uh long goes a big uh card guy oh really long goes been in the card game for a long time yeah that's awesome so he said long ago convinced him start getting his own cards yeah that's pretty cool man i would there's a gunner henderson rookie titans refractor lordess polio and nolan gorman rookie debut yeah it's pretty sick man i like i like that man i know bobby witt does the same thing and same with trout those guys are always looking for their like one-on-ones big cards so if you guys have some big trouts or bobby witt's look no further than trout or bobby witt can sell to them that'd be kind of cool wander franco there's a wonton prism garret coal and randy vasquez refractor randy vasquez yeah i thought that was pretty cool to see adam what was in on that corbin looking for his cards good luck kato oh there's another nice one the 250s rookie edward julian pretty solid there to 250 on the rookie good rookie for the twins the 250 nice box here for autos they refractor otani mookie and ds i thought the nine and a half is a little strong now it doesn't look so much now it looks about right dolphin's win by 10 seems seems likely now i was thinking so earlier right the green got a corbin carol update rookie lot of game josh young refractor and teyaskar teyaskar hernandez last two packs good luck kato titan's mookie got a boba shit pita lanza and joey orteez refractor rookie and last pack good luck kato last pack the purple is going to be cody bellinger the 250 for the cubbies jew or shell prism mike trout and jake aloo refractor rookie for the nationals all righty there mr kato that'll do it for your mls and tops chrome update jumbo really nice hits there on the edward julian otto and the corbin get those right i'll see my man


Think Tech Hawaii. Civil engagement lives here. Welcome to the Asian Review. I'm your host, Bill Sharp. Our show today, U.S. Trade Strategy, Asia. And my guest is Mr. Russell Honma, a trade specialist and often visitor to Think Tech Studios. Welcome to Asian Review. Well, thank you, Professor Bill Sharp. I remember when I first met you, was it like in 1990 when you were the president of a Japan American society in Hawaii. And that's when I was just starting out to learn what all about U.S. and Japan was going through. And I know that you're quite a mentor to me back then. Oh, wow. Thank you for the compliment. That's really nice of you. Well, let's sort of get right into it because as always, our time always goes faster than we wanted to go. Well, is there a coherent U.S. trade strategy? Right now, between your, in terms of Asia-Pacific region. Right. I know that our United States trade representative, Robert Laiheuser, is kind of looking at the scene if we can rejoin the TPP again, the Trans-Pacific Partnership. They call it comprehensive, progressive TPP now. And there's only 11 members right now besides United States. I know when Donald Trump, the president, made an announcement when he went to the war Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. He mentioned that the United States is interested in rejoining the TPP. And I know that like in China, we're not a member of the RCEP that China is pushing with the ASEAN country plus six nations. Right. And so vice versa, China is not a member of TPP or the so-called comprehensive progressive TPP. But do we have a comprehensive coherent organized U.S.-Asia trade policy? It seems to me it's kind of scattered. We talk about getting back into TPP. We talk about, you know, renegotiating the chorus, Korea, U.S., FTA. We talk about getting into this trimmed-down form of TPP. And we talk about bilateral investment treaties here and there. But it doesn't seem to be anything coherent to me. Yeah, actually, I guess what the President Trump is trying to do right now, he wants to put everything instead of going to the multilateral or trilateral basis, he wants to focus on the bilateral trade agreement, like country to country, and see what the pro and the cons are, and see what the strength and weaknesses are in the trade agreements. And I know that he's kind of focusing right now on China because China trade agreements or he wants to see if we can come up with a vital bilateral trade agreement with China. That's interesting because I know that he, I've heard lots of talk about a possible bilateral investment treaty with Japan, and I think that's something probably Prime Minister Abe and Trump are going to talk about this week in Florida. But I hadn't heard that about a bilateral trade investment treaty with China. I know that when President Barack Obama was a President, we're focusing at that time with having this US-China investment in technology transfer agreement. And we had our trade representative back then working on the deals. But hopefully when President Barack Obama, I mean, Donald Trump came in office, he started he wanted to renegotiate with all those trade agreements or the trade issues that President Barack Obama had brought up with these trade representatives. So what do you think about this strategy, the Trump strategy, it's hard to tell what his strategy is because he changes from day to day. But let's take this bilateral approach. What do you think about this bilateral approach, bilateral approach, bilateral approach, and then maybe ultimately some sort of multilateral approach. What's your take on that? Well, I think he's just kind of playing this hard to get kind of approach instead of I think being a former developer in the construction industry executive that he wants to see what the strength and the weaknesses are and see if we can make any improvements from those trade agreements or those trade discussions that's been going on. And unlike in China's case, I know that he was when I spoke last time with your colleague Mr. Jay Fiddle, we talked about the retaliative measure on the tariffs where United States was going to put 25% tariffs on steel and 10% tariffs on aluminum. So that kind of triggered everything and hopefully that China is trying to retaliate saying that if they do that we're going to put 50 billion dollars of retaliatory measures just like we came up with the 50 billion. Now we're bringing up the ante up to 100 billion dollars. Wow. So that might create like a trade war. Yeah, let's get to that trade war just a little bit later but let's focus on TPP for right now just the other day, the Australian I believe he was a trade minister made a very bold statement saying look we're really not into renegotiation of anything and that statement was aimed at the White House. And it seems to me other countries that have stuck with TPP they're not really willing to do this renegotiation because their negotiations for TPP took a long time anyway. So what do you think is going to happen if the U.S. says it wants to get back into TPP but it's not willing to renegotiate and all these other countries are putting up a pretty solid war does that mean U.S. participation in TPP is this done or what's your take on that? I think it's going to be open you know it's just maybe I know that our prime minister from Japan Abishinzo is going to be meeting President Donald Trump next week I believe maybe I think it was on the 17th so two days from now and hopefully he's going to bring up that issue that because I know that Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Canada and other 11 members of the TPP once United States to rejoin into this new comprehensive TPP. Well let me ask this question this question goes a little bit beyond trade but obviously the U.S. had the rebalance to Asia which seems to be no one talks so much about it these days and the economic side of that was TPP and then the U.S. pulled out a TPP we don't hear very much about the pivot or the rebalance to Asia anymore if the U.S. gets back into TPP does that give new life does that breathe new life into the pivot? If you look at the trade volume I think because United States has roughly like 18.7 trillion dollars of gross national product so that's how much business that's per capita we're we're generating so if you look at and calculate that with the numbers with the 11 countries we're going to have like 40 percent of worldwide GNP or gross domestic sales so that's going to give a lot of leverage and I know if you look at the RCIP what China is trying to do right now with the ASEAN plus six countries which basically the six countries are Australia, China India, South Korea, New Zealand, Japan and the ASEAN 10 is like Burma or they call it Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam they're the 10 countries and some of these countries in the RCIP belongs to TPP as well so they get both leverages and Japan belongs to the TPP and they're part of the RCIP 6 nation Singapore is a country as well in Vietnam with a little leverage they can play dual membership so if you look at the membership it's kind of interesting how they play it out that's very interesting speaking of Prime Minister Abe's trip to Florida this week what do you think will be the outcome of that? I think they just want to make sure that they have the issue with North Korea issue I know that with the denuclearization of the missiles and the weapons of mass destruction they're going to have a meeting with South Korean president going to meet I think on April 27th of this month in the end of May they want to try to set up a meeting with Kim and Eun in Donald Trump on the last show they're going to try to see if we can do a meeting in Hawaii since we have a Pacific command here with the RIMPAC as well so that might kind of have a good ideal location might be east west center or the Pacific I imagine the Korean American community and Korean citizens of the Republic of Korea living in Hawaii I would guess will put together really large street demonstrations and going back to besides the meeting with Abe Shinzo not only the North Korean issue but I think they might want to talk about United States rejoining the Comprehensive Progress TPP that might be the second issue and I know that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is pushing the so-called high-speed real transit projects the Shinkansen project in the North America I know there's one project going on in California high-speed rail project and there's one in east coast with the northeast corridor they're coming with maglev technology with the HSS T. Is that from New York to Washington? Yes, going from New York actually goes from Washington DC, Maryland to New York to Boston to Philadelphia and they call it the Northwest Corridor project, it's a private funding project from Texas which is from Dallas, Texas to Houston they call it Texas Central and they're using the N700 technology for the bullet train concept. That's really interesting I know that they have, since my sister lives on the east coast, I go to the east coast a couple times a year at least I did when my mother was alive, now I probably go once a year and I sometimes go to Washington to talk to all the folks in the think tanks and see what the inside the Beltway thinking is and I take the Amtrak to Sella from Washington to Philadelphia, that's a pretty nice train but not as fast as the Shinkansen I know the Amtrak, they own most of the high-speed rail tracks so I'm sure we have to get the Amtrak involved and hopefully get the ride away so maybe possible some kind of joint venture might be coming out of this deal. That'd be very interesting that would be really interesting. I know in California Governor Brown has put a lot of priority on that high-speed rail to go right down the Central Valley as I understand it, he thinks it'll be a big job career well, okay, TPP, we pretty well talked about that and I think we just, it's not really a trade issue but let's just touch on it anyway there are several, I think there's something like 12 Japanese citizens being held captive in North Korea, they were abducted on the shores of Japan by, I guess you would call them North Korean frontmen and I'm sure and I think you would agree but if you don't just tell me that Prime Minister Abe will bring this up to President Trump that when you talk to Kim Jong-un, you know, tell him that we're concerned about those 12 of Japanese and we want them back. Yeah, I think that happened already I think when they first met in Longargo and they made a press release that President Donald Trump mentioned about those seven families, the remaining captivity that was kidnapped. I remember when I was a child when I was born and raised in Japan, my mother used to tell me that means to be aware with the North Korean so there's a lot of rumors among the Japanese mothers that telling their children to be aware of the North Korean because there was a lot of this kidnapping they call it in Japanese. That's interesting, that's really interesting. Yeah, I'm sure that's going to come up and I would think that President Trump would be sympathetic to that if somehow he didn't think that it would interfere or disrupt his negotiations or chat with Kim Jong-un. Anyway, so what do you think? Are we going to have a trade war with China? I don't think, to me, it's still the negotiation. It takes about six months I would say based on the first 90 days they're going to see if the negotiation is going to work between our United States trade specialists that's focused on China and I know that the Chinese has their officials that's working on a deal right now so see how it's going to happen. And I noticed that last week in Baoh, Hunan Province, they had the Baoh Economic Forum in Hunan. That's not right there because I'm getting told we need to take a break and we have to pay our respects to all of those that support us. So you're watching Asian Review. I'm your host Bill Sharp. My guest today is Mr. Russell Honma. He's a trade specialist and our show US Trade Policy Asia and we'll be right back. I'm Pete McGinnis-Mark and every Monday at one o'clock I'm the host of Think Tech Hawaii's research in Munna. And at that program we bring to you a whole range of new scientific results from the university ranging from everything from exploring the solar system to looking at the earth from space, going underwater, talking about earthquakes and volcanoes and other things which have a direct relevance not only to Hawaii but also to our economy. So please try and join me one o'clock on a Monday afternoon to Think Tech Hawaii's research in Munna and see you then. Welcome back to Asian Review. I'm your host Bill Sharp. My guest today is Mr. Russell Honma. A vast amount of experience in the area. Our show today is US Trade Policy Asia. We've been talking about some of the salient issues, our trade issues facing the United States, the possibility of rejoining the TPP, Prime Minister Abe's visit with President Trump in Florida this coming, this week, not this coming week, this week, and what that might turn up. And just before the break we're beginning to talk about the possibility of a U.S.-China trade war. So let's pick it up from there. And you know President Trump he does say some things that do make a lot of sense I think is when it comes to China for a long time U.S. companies have been at a disadvantage. Dan or the Chinese market they have to sign over their technology to the Chinese government. They have to produce their client lists. They have to enter into a joint venture with a Chinese partner. So it does seem pretty unfair. And obviously China's ripped off one way or the other has ripped off vast amounts of U.S. technology. On the other hand a trade war does seem a bit I don't know how should we say excessive. But is it to be avoided? Will there be a trade war or will it be avoided? I think if they play it smart I know the Chinese don't want a trade war but they're saying that if it happens it happens. But right now they're seeing if the trade war does happen in terms of we have a trade act from 1974 where it's a section 301 which talks about retaliative measure for dumping law selling the merchandise below the fair market value. And that's what's happening with China right now.  None of these companies in China are state owned enterprise. They're not actually a private company. So when you deal with the state owned enterprise they have their own subsidiary company so it's always that they're going to start up something on the side. And we know that it's been going on for about 20, 30 years already we've been kind of looking at the other way with the copyrights and the Frenchman of licensing fees. There seem to be a kind of a pattern here when it comes to US trade with Asia just a matter of South Korea, Japan, China perhaps to a lesser degree Taiwan. It's always like markets are kept fairly close. Most of these countries operate under industrial policy where the government has a lot of influence on a company and what it's to do even if it's a private company and then there's government subsidies and then there's dumping. For the benefit of the audience which Bob explained with dumping is, dumping is closing your market and then penetrating another market and selling under the market price in order to gain market share. And I think I don't like to say this but I think most Asian countries have been guilty of this at one time or another. Definitely, I mean Japan used to do that. I remember when you were the president of the Japan American Society we had that close with Prime Minister Nakasone from Japan was a prime minister but Ronald Reagan was a president so they were kind of negotiating in terms of friendship kind of trade war and they came up with a structure and petritive initiative talk between Tokyo and Washington and came up with some kind of measure with the terms and conditions and that kind of prevented the trade war and I think what's happening in China-U.S. relationship we have to come up with some kind of structure and petritive initiative talks and come up with some kind of goals and objectives and how we're going to approach this and I think our trade specialists and our senior officials are working on that deal right now. You know this is really interesting. I lived in Japan in the 80s and there was a lot of, as you well know there was a lot of trade friction between the United States and Japan at that time on the strategic side the U.S. and Japan were very close on the economic side there was lots of massacres and friction and you mentioned earlier section 301 that was so prominently discussed in that day. Sector-specific talks, in other words we're going to go down each sector of the economy and negotiate and semiconductors were a huge issue and to me this is a little bit like deja vu because I hear the same sort of language being brought up now in relationship to China. You know section 301 sector-specific talks, etc. My fear is, just to share my thought with you is it always seemed in the 80s the U.S. side got out negotiated by the Japanese side. The Japanese side was much better organized, much more better informed. They understood America quite well. Lots of the Japanese negotiators had worked together as a team for quite a long time. Many of them had studied in the U.S., got advanced degrees and in most cases very leading universities. English was very good and then there was a U.S. side that got kind of thrown together at the last minute they really didn't understand Japan very well and it was very unusual to find someone who spoke Japanese and the U.S. side they wanted a quick victory so they could run out to a microphone and get a 30 second spot on the news. The Japanese had lots of patience and were somewhat tenacious. I think they kind of ran over the U.S. and I just wondering if we're not going to see a replay of that although this time the characters would be a little bit different from the U.S. and China What's your take? If you look at the government structure, Japan was more like a socialist and it kind of went to democratic government. Now China was a communist is a communist country but they're trying to move into the socialist kind of concept for their monetary and fiscal policies. I think if you look at the long run, I think China is realizing they have to be more democratic if you're going to go international and do businesses abroad. More democratic or more open? Open and democratic. I have a feeling China doesn't want to be a whole lot more democratic maybe it will be less democratic. I think the people want to be more democratic in those terms but if you go in the business, I think when you look going back like Dao Xiaoping said it doesn't matter what the color of the cats are, longest they catch mice. And if you look at the history of the leadership, you know we had Sun Yuck Sen he came to Hawaii, he studied at Punahou and Iolani and his disciples of Mao Tung Tong and Kamchak Shek and they came to Taiwan and they kind of broke away and so then they came to Dao Xiaoping and then Hu Chintao, now we have a leader Xi Jinping which we just recently had that Communist Party Congress and he said that they voted on him to be, he can have unlimited terms with no years of restrictions so I think he wants to be the next Dao Xiaoping or Mao Tung. Long lasting fellow, long lasting leader. Well you know I read a very interesting article, actually I brought it with me it's called the Sino Insider, maybe some of the folks in the audience have heard of this. And the title is Risk Watch China with Strad, a trade war. And it makes a very good argument that suggests, not only suggests but pretty strongly argues that in a trade war the United States would be the victor because China's economic situation is not as good as one often thinks it is. There's been a contraction of the manufacturing sector, there's been an increase in unemployment there's an increase in the number of displaced manufacturer workers, debt is increasing you know investors don't want to invest in China as much as they used to because China's become somewhat expensive. It's highly dependent on the U.S. as an export market and if a trade war evolves that China's probably going to be the loser. I think the leaders of China realize that so when they formulate the BRICS when they had the World Cup in Brazil, British actually it was Brazil Africa, Russia was involved in China and they came up with the Asian Infrastructure Bank Investment Bank and that was a start in the One Built One Role Initiative, part of the One China policy and kind of bridge the gap between your Asia kind of concept because they know that in order to bring in more domestic demand investments they have to rely on these international partners so the strategy was coming with the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank in which you have to pay an anti of 10 if you're a small country you got to pay like 10 billion dollars into the pot to be a member and I know that United States in Japan is not a member because United States has a membership with the World Bank and Japan is a leader with the Asian Development Bank in Philippines. That's interesting. I see we're looking at the clock here we're sort of whittling away at our remaining time here and as I said we have about four minutes left a big part of this negotiation, a big part of the problem in trade is artificial intelligence obviously China is striving to develop this artificial intelligence capabilities the US is too this is really it seems like the key technology of the future and who can ever master artificial intelligence is going to have a really big advantage not only when it comes to manufacturing and economics but also strategic issues in other words in military sense it seems that a lot of the problems between China and United States generally revolve around intellectual property would you agree? Yeah I think so and I think China is focusing on I just went to a lecture in the east west center and there was a professor from Canada who was one of the leading for focusing on China's zero sum for artificial intelligence and he was mentioning how China wants to be a leader in artificial intelligence but if you look at the long one in diversity of artificial like you mentioned it could be military purpose or it could be space technology or it could be a humanoid kind of concept that Japan is very advanced in humanoid having their CPU kind of concept I know they're focusing on the 2020 Tokyo Olympics using robotics as our Tokyo to be a smart city concept so that's where artificial intelligence in terms of community smarts concept can be applying and they already have private companies and they're already working on that but China needs to do it in terms of international not only for domestic demand not only for internal purposes they have to go abroad and show that they can do the artificial intelligence and commercialize it into business where the consumer can utilize that artificial technology right well we have one minute left here so let me just quickly ask you this question just have to make this real brief there's been a renegotiation of the Korea US FTA what's your take briefly Korea I know that Donald Trump said they're not going to give tariffs on the steel and aluminum and they want to negotiate some of the free trade agreements I think that's going to happen I think we should keep that Korea and I know the Korean delegates and the trade specialists are supporting that measure Korea is our ally and they're friends and partners well I guess we'll have to leave it there as always the time goes by faster than we like to like it to go by so I'd like to thank you very much for joining us today I'd like to thank our guest Mr. Hanma and I'd like to remind you that next week I guess we'll be Mr. Leo Chuchung he is the vice chairman of TITRA the Taiwan External Trade Development Organization should be a great show we'll see you then