I think that this is really important, particularly on the physical touch front, because there is a lot of content around out there, particularly like the manosphere, or like for dating coaches that encourage men to sort of physically escalate by like touching on the shoulder or you know things of that nature. It's good to be aware of this if you are wanting to, or you are dating an autistic woman, or just any autistic person in general, because that we might have quite a negative reaction to that and feel a bit unsafe. So just be careful around that stuff. In my experience actually, I know this might go a little bit against what Jad Fear is talking about. Definitely like be aware that they might not make as much eye contact, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you making eye contact is bad as someone who is neurotypical approaching the situation. You can still make the usual amount of eye contact that you make. And sometimes, I think even for myself, although I don't tend to make as much eye contact, sometimes if we've been talking for quite a while and if you're comfortable sort of in a romantic sort of setting, you know, perhaps over dinner or having a drinks or something, eye contact can be quite attractive to me sometimes. It definitely shows like signs of interest and it can be a bit sort of romantically escalating in a sense. Sometimes just my personal experience. Also with date selection, if someone that you're dating is autistic, try and choose somewhere which is perhaps less sensory provoking. Have you recently come across a very interesting girl or woman in your life and you're wanting to get to know them a bit better? Perhaps you might want to take them out on a date, but there is something a bit different to them. Perhaps they're autistic, perhaps they show some signs and you're wondering how can I navigate this strange world of autism dating in a very safe, understanding way. That's terrible. What am I talking about? Safe, understanding way. Safe, respectful way. Well, today we have a video from Woodshed Theory, one of the friends of the channel on how to date an autistic girl tips from the source, which I think is going to be quite interesting for me to hear about. And I think there are some AFAB individuals within the chat who are going to pitch in as well. Obviously not going to be able to comment much on this, but it'll be interesting to hear Woodshed's thoughts on this from the other side as it be. So you want to date an autistic girl, but you're not sure where to get started. Well, stick around to find out. My name is Claire and this is my channel, Woodshed Theory. Here I make content about what it is like to live as an adult on the autism spectrum and whatever else feels good to me, so if that sounds good to you or if you're feeling particularly gracious today and I hope that you are, please go ahead and click the subscribe button. Ring the bell. I almost forgot to mention that I put out videos three times a week. Click the like, click the like. We are so close to hitting 5000 subscribers, so thank you very much for your support. Autism and dating. Well, yikes. It's been a very long time since I've been in the dating scene, but I do sometimes get questions from well-meaning subscribers and watchers who are asking me about dating and autism, and sometimes they ask for their tips about dating an autistic person. I thought it might be helpful if we went over some of my thoughts on dating as an autistic person, but from the opposite perspective, say you yourself like an autistic person. In this case, it's going to be a girl because I'm a girl, and you want to start to date them, but you're not sure where to start or what it will be like or what the expectations would be. So I thought I'd go over a few thoughts and tips and tricks that I thought might be helpful to the community at large. I do want to disclose that I am not the entirety of the autistic population. And these are just my thoughts. If you have other thoughts or other advice, please go ahead and put it down in the comments because difference of thought and different ideas are what makes our community very strong. So go ahead and sound off down below if you want to share your opinions. I also wanted to mention that I did a great video on autism and dating with my friend Orion Kelly. So I will link that video up here somewhere so you can check that out. So you want to date an autistic girl. The first thing that you're going to want to take into consideration is being very direct. Autistic people struggle with reading and interpreting subtle gestures or subtle hints at things. We take things very literally. If you are going to take an autistic girl out on a date, you're going to have to ask her extremely directly to go on a date. A date that's not a friend date, a date that's a romantic date. You're going to want to say something akin to I am interested in you. I would like to take you out on a date as more than friends. You don't need to overstate it, but you definitely do not want to understate it. So if you want to say something like, do you want to hang out? Maybe have a bite? Yes, definitely. Like I've got myself into a few difficult situations in the past myself. Well, I did not. I mean, it's never really been about dating. Usually I can usually tell when it comes to that. Like there's someone who wants to go on a date with me. But I the neurotypicals in my experience tend to be very nuanced, indirect and very subtle when it comes to like other stuff, you know, if you know what I'm talking about. And I've got myself in a few situations where someone said, like, oh, do you want to do you want to come check out my room? Or, you know, like I've got a video game console at my place. Or do you want to not go? Do you want to exit this party and sort of go watch some Netflix or something and be like, sure, that sounds great. Lovely. Obviously not not not the intention. There was some some some like hidden meaning behind that. A few times that this happens. Mostly when I was at university, I didn't really understand the social world as much nowadays. I understand what the hidden meaning is behind things. But yeah, directness is is is key here. I think I accidentally went on a date with my friend before. Yeah, I mean, sometimes, sometimes I've had situations where some like a match with someone on like a dating site and they said, oh, no, actually, like, I'm not really like wanting to to date or anything, but we can be friends. And I'd be like, OK, and so I go out with them over coffee with them. They're wanting to be friends. I'm like, OK, let's be friends. And then it's not actually a friend thing. It's a it's a date thing. Make up your mind.  Like there are people that are surprised that I'm not like sort of progressing things romantically or like physically or anything like that because in my head, you want to be friends. I put you in the the friend category. The person that I'm going to be friends with, you know, that's how it works. My wife had to say she liked me like a boyfriend. Yeah, I thought we were just friends that hung out all the time. She has to tell me if something is brazenly brazenly flirting with me in front of her and like, OK, yeah, I've had a lot of situations like that, too, where my partner or like when my partner and me have gone to like a social event or like gone out to the bar or something. And like, I think there's one incident where I saw someone from my school who is quite drunk and we're having a really good conversation. I was like, oh, this is so nice. I'm connecting with someone from school. And then my partner came up to me like after after they'd sort of gone off and taught someone else that they were trying to like progress because they were like touching my shoulder like some people do and doing all that kind of stuff. But I didn't realize that they were flirting with me. It's it's a complex world. I obviously wasn't attempting to flirt with them back. It was just like I just didn't realize, you know, that sometimes it's really hard to tell. It sends a lot of mixed messages. And I definitely been there where I've assumed that there was something going on when it wasn't. So just be abundantly clear.  But it's better to be clear now in the beginning than having to sift through all of that confusing stuff later. This, of course, also applies to having a defining the relationship chat. You're going to be very straightforward with that as well. The second thing I wanted to talk about is understanding the differences of a neurodiverse person from a neurotypical person when it comes to relation. You didn't get into trouble. I did get into trouble. I didn't do anything wrong.  It wasn't like I was like escalating physically or anything like that.  He wants to talk to me and is interested in me. I'm like, hey, let's have a chat. You know, yeah. And so it goes. Well, as for when I was 14, we went to the movies. So it was mostly low key. We hadn't seen Toy Story and shared popcorn, hung out and laughed after. And his dad picked us up and got to know me. Then he sent me love songs. Oh, harder to tell in those innocent times. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, you might you might receive something else these days. Maybe an affectionate picture, you know, I'm talking about. Yeah, he was nice, but I only saw him as a friend. I didn't know what was happening. I got poems, never, never a love song. Poems are nice. I like a poem or flowers, even. I'm very partial to romantic gesture. Precious ships. I've written down myriad things to consider. So I'll just kind of go over them quickly, but you're going to want to consider them because dating a neurodiverse person is like dating someone who speaks a different language than you has a different thought process than you if you're neurotypical and you're going to want to understand some of those differences before you jump in and then have false expectations of what your relationship is going to look like. I think approaching this situation, if you know that this person's autistic that you're talking to, approaching the situation with an air of curiosity and trying to understand more about autism and themselves and how they work and how they perceive things and communicate is a really, really good way of going about it. Because number one, it informs you of that stuff. And number two, it's actually quite like a green flag, I'd say, for most people because you are trying to understand them and you're sort of accepting that they are different and you're wanting to understand those differences. Approaching it with an air of curiosity is a really, really good thing to do. They thought that I was a lesbian because I wasn't flirting with men on the ship. I ended up going on a date, then he asked to go back to his for a drink. I found out what he really meant, surprised in a good way. Well, I've had situations like that, but I was not expecting it and I did not want it because it really depends on the situation. For example, I've written a few things. The person who you're dating might need some extra time alone. They might have a delayed processing. Good thing, perhaps a little bit further down the line. Tens of social battery can look very different from person to person. If you find that they perhaps aren't as communicative over text, don't necessarily rule that out as being like signs that they're not interested. They may just be like that in terms of their communication. We tend to be, we tend to sometimes struggle with this like watering the plant as it be. And also, perhaps we may not want to continue to like progress the amount of time that we spend with you. There might be a cutoff point at which we do need like our own space and time. I think what would I just going to talk about next was like processing. Being aware of our differing, differing processing is important, both in terms of communication. So it might be that it takes us a few seconds or even more in some cases to understand what you're saying. Doesn't mean that we don't understand what you're saying. If we kind of blank and we don't move for like a second or two, and then we speak, it just means that we just sometimes take a bit more time to process. And also when it comes to emotions, emotions can take us a long time to figure out. So if you're in like the early stages of the relationship, it can take us a long time to figure out whether we have feelings in that sense for some people. In other cases, it may actually be that we don't know for such a large amount of time that we don't pursue. We don't sort of initiate. So if you're kind of on the other side and you are and someone's trying to like date an autistic man, it may not be that they initiate things as much. There's also these aspects of social anxiety involved in that. But, you know, time for gestures or conversations. They might experience meltdowns or autistic shutdowns. So understanding those are very important. 100 percent. Understanding that we might have meltdowns and shutdowns and what to do in those situations are very, very important. Sometimes the autistic people that you're talking talking to or trying to date may not have as much awareness as perhaps myself and would shed about their own sort of diagnosis and how they work and things of that nature. They might be very new to it. They might have been diagnosed younger and never really sort of continued to sort of develop their understanding of it. They may be very late diagnosed and sort of new to it. But in general, if someone sort of understands the diagnosis, they'll be able to give you some pointers on what to do in situations like that. You might experience some rudeness from the person that you're interested in. And not understand that sometimes autistic people are really straightforward. And sometimes that's considered rude to neurotypical and neurodiverse people alike. Just wondering for any A-fab individuals in the in the chat, have you had an experience where a man that you've you've been seeing has or like people have remarks like about your femininity because of like your direct communication style? Because I've heard that a few times sort of online in different spaces that like people can sort of interpret you for being as being like perhaps a bit more masculine because you are sort of straightforward and direct and they're not perhaps as used to that. My boyfriend actually has an easy time talking to me, but not not women. You know, so you sort of get that from from other other women as well. Interesting. You're going to want to understand that she might have some sensory issues that she deals with and that could be eye contact, might be uncomfortable for her, certain kinds of physical touch, physical affection without any warning first. These are things that can be hard for autistic people and you're going to want to keep them in mind. I think that this is really important, particularly on the physical touch front, because there is a lot of content around out there, particularly like the manosphere or like for like dating coaches that encourage men to sort of physically escalate by like touching on the shoulder or, you know, things of that nature. It's good to be aware of this if you are wanting to or you are dating an autistic woman or just any autistic person in general, because that we might have quite a negative reaction to that and feel a bit unsafe. So just be careful around that stuff. In my experience, actually, I know this might go a little bit against what Jad Fear is talking about. Definitely like be aware that they might not make as much eye contact, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you making eye contact is bad as someone who is neurotypical approaching the situation. You can still make the usual amount of eye contact that you make. Like and sometimes I think even even for myself, although I don't tend to make as as much eye contact, sometimes if we've been talking for quite a while and if you're comfortable sort of in a romantic sort of setting, you know, perhaps over dinner or having a drinks or something, eye contact can be quite attractive to me sometimes. Like it definitely shows like signs of interest and it can be a bit sort of romantically escalating in a sense. Sometimes just just my personal experience, which might be listening on TV volume level two, but your physical touch an interesting thing. Also with date selection, if someone someone that you're dating is autistic, try and choose somewhere which is perhaps less sensory provoking. Perhaps the usual places that you might you might go for dates might not be the best like a coffee grinder. Little things like that can sort of raise our stress, raise our stress levels and sort of impacts like the quality of the date in a sense. For me, eye contact is very intimate. Me too. Me too. I do like it like with like my past partners. I even make like probably too much eye contact to a certain extent, more than like my near typical partners would. But it really depends. It depends on the person. Depends how comfortable I feel. I don't really I don't think I find eye contact as difficult as a lot of autistic people that I've talked to or interacted with. But it's not as comfortable as for me that as like most people, but it is basically controlled by me. Someone's making eye contact with me. I just don't make eye contact. You know, trying to make eye contact with me doesn't matter because I'm not me. I'm not sort of reciprocating it. So you don't have to worry less. You don't have to worry on that front, I would say. I've been chatting to a guy and we just went on saying what we what we like, what is triggering, but he's autistic. So it feels more straightforward in communication. Yeah, it's a little bit easier to to converse with autistic people in my experience as an autistic person. Generally, not always. The only people I can make excellent eye contact for extended time is my mom and brother. I don't I don't get that really with my mom and brother. I'd say it's it's the same as with most people. Weirdly, it's only really with like romantic partners. Or like really, really good friends sometimes. It's very strange. She may have trouble or a delayed response and understanding gestures that maybe aren't as clear as they could be. For example, like romantic gestures where you're trying to hint at liking the person or wanting more from the person. That might be lost on an autistic girl. I had a recent call with someone who who got in touch through my talk to Thomas segment section. The service office, like a 50 minute call. I was talking to someone there and they were they were definitely doing a lot of the romantic gestures there. I bursted out laughing when you said you might serve it too hard. Just imagining it like my doers to go partners in the past would quite frequently like remark like what like when we're having a conversation, because I just wouldn't say anything. I'd just be like looking at them like what are you talking? Why are you why are you looking at me? I'm just just looking at you, you know. Good food in the most romantic city is what they say. Or even just something simple like going for a walk outside or something, something that perhaps doesn't require face to face interaction so much. Could be quite nice. You know, perhaps getting getting a coffee and going for a take out and then going for a walk if it's reasonably. It is reasonable in terms of like whether for me, I like someone direct and assertive. I just like having to guess what to do rather be guided if that helps in terms of physical touch. I have dated autistic people in the past and I'd say that my experience with dating autistic people aligns with what you're saying, Brie. Like it's there's definitely not as much initiation when it comes to physical contact, like kisses and things like that, just in general in my experience. Of course, not saying that is the same for everybody. She may experience trouble with understanding any intense feelings that she might be having or different feelings from the usual. And you're going to have to give her time to sort those out. You may feel like she's sending you mixed messages when she's just trying to communicate the way that she communicates. So you're going to have to be really patient with AASD girl if you want to date somebody who's on the spectrum. Next thing I thought would be good to talk about is planning dates with each other. It's OK for a date to be a surprise, but if it cannot be a surprise, that's also helpful. But if you do want to do. Yeah. You can give hints. Generally, I'd say give general hints, if anything I would say. Good for Gabby says, oh, yeah, I had a situation. I received an unwanted kiss. I was told that I was looking at them in a certain way, regardless of what my eyes were doing. The absence of concern was obviously an issue. Yes. I mean, it's it's a very difficult like to to know when to do it, especially if you're like both parties or autistic, like knowing when to sort of initiate a kiss. But I think if someone generally sort of moves that moves their head away, if you're trying to kiss them, you should stop. You know, or at least just be slow about it. You know, I mean, or ask them. That's a good way of doing it. Do you want? Do you want to kiss me? You know, girl, it sounds cringe me saying it out loud. And every initiate generally, since I don't know when people would want me to or not, I'm usually thinking about the sweet, sweet facts I must collect. I love that. Do a surprise. Just make sure you're giving girl some guidelines. Give her a timeline. When the date's going to be what kind of date it might be, an idea of what kind of activities you might be doing. Give her a general idea so that she can prepare mentally for what you're going to do. And that way, it's not just her sitting there in sensory overload, taking in all of the things that she didn't know she was going to do that day. So just giving some guidelines about the date or what you're going to be doing, where you're going to be going, what maybe she might want to wear. That's really something that gives autistic people peace. We still like the surprise, but certainty being able to plan ahead really helps autistic people with their sensory regulation. So it's just a suggestion I'd have for you if you want to be dating an autistic girl. The next two things are kind of together and that's make time to check in and be opened to different kinds of communication methods. It's really important when you're on the spectrum and maybe you're dating somebody. Asking is extremely romantic. That's been my experience. Yeah, I think so, too. I think a lot of people overestimate just how much like asking for stuff like that is going to impact the likelihood of them saying yes or no. I mean, if you say say something, the lines of. Give us a snog, you know, something like that. So, you know, you deliver it pretty, pretty badly. Then I can understand why. But if you ask them and there is some level of chemistry and things like that, then I think that's OK. I don't understand how some folks just assume the opportunity to touch you without asking first. Yeah, I don't have face. I would ever find anyone just don't say that as a good thing.  When I know they're coming, if they're going to be surprised me, don't let me catch on that something is up snog, basically like it like kissing. But it's I think we use it a lot in the UK. I don't know if it's something that is in the in the US as much. Exactly. Asking is old school wooing. My lady, would you be interesting and interested in locking lips? Jesus, oh God. Who's not or vice versa or in any relationship to be checking in and communicating with each other about how that relationship is going. And sometimes when you're on the spectrum, it's easy to be out of sight, out of mind about issues. So if you feel like you're having an issue, the autistic person, autistic girl might not know that there is an issue and you're going to want to make time to sit down, talk about issues that you're having and not just assume that the other party knows that there's an issue. I guess that's true in any relationship, but it's especially true in autistic relationships. Now, the other part of that is to be open to different forms of communication is a lot of autistic people can be non-speaking. They can have a preferred mode of contact for me when I was dating my husband, we did a lot of corresponding via writing, internet chat, letters, emails, et cetera, because that is how I'm able to best express my thoughts. And I'm not so great at expressing everything I want to express when we're just talking one on one. Now, I've gotten better over the years, but I just wanted to bring this up because texting, emailing, Skype, Zoom, whatever, it might be easier for them to communicate with you via those methods. You might see a deeper and emotional side to your autistic crush, should we say, if you allow yourself to be open to those different forms of communication. So I think it's really important to consider that. I think in general, if you expect that perhaps the like the progression of the whole dating to seeing each other a lot to relationship, if you expect that there are going to be some differences and if you are willing to communicate about that and what they desire and what you desire, I think you'll do pretty well. I don't think that I think that if the more communication that you can have about stuff like that, the better, because it may not progress in the same way with autistic people than others because we don't tend to be in some areas to typical zone, but we don't tend to be as sort of adherents to social norms if it doesn't suit us or if it doesn't fit us. Some people might want to want to live with a partner. Some people might not want to spend every night on the couch or watching TV with a partner. They might want to be off doing their own thing. You know, they may not want to see you more than once or twice a week. Even you need to you need to ask and not not sort of enforce greater sort of societal expectations on the progression of the relationship. It should always be a I think in general, it is good advice like to like communicate about what you want. But I think when you're dating someone who is different, it's good to good to ask them like what what they what what they want. Minting my words there. The word snog just goes straight through me. The word gives me chills in a good way or a bad way. Some words just sound wrong. It creates some sensations like moist.  I don't quite I don't like I have that feeling with the word snog. It's not a good one. I don't think that I wanted to talk about is understanding special interests on the autism spectrum. And I know that this is like old. I talk about it in every video. But let's talk about how autistic people can have other people, other individuals, special interests. We also have extremely deep feelings, even if you can't see it yourself. What happens then? You approach an autistic person, you're interested in them and you want to perhaps take them out on a date or you want to pursue a relationship. And then you notice that the autistic person comes back at you with I won't say love bombing because it's not a narcissistic thing. But they're love bombing in that it's a very intense, fast, emotional connection that they want to have with you. And you might not be ready for that. So just keep in mind that autistic women, I can't speak for men. No, no, I mean, definitely looking back in my past, I have had situations like that. I like the terminology, like the use of terminology around like having a special interest in somebody. Makes sense. You want to know everything about them, you know? You get you get sort of fixated on them. You thinking about all the time you're trying to you're waiting for them to text back all the time kind of thing. I think some neurotypicals can have a similar experience, but I think sometimes that that has happened in the past. I've definitely as as with age, I've perhaps got a little bit more reasonable with that. Perhaps not jump into things too quickly. It's probably usually not the best part of call. Ten to really want relationships and we want that deep connection with people. And we're not sure how to have it. So if somebody reaches out to us and they want that relationship with us hook, line, sinker, we are into it. And a lot of times that person that we're dating can become a special interest and it might feel overwhelming to you. So you need to understand that what's happening there is that that person is giving you some of their brain space, their interest because they're so intent on having that deep relationship with someone and it could be off putting or overwhelming that somebody would jump in that fast. Yeah, I think it's also worthwhile saying that. You know, perhaps you might want to. Navigates sort of the. The relationship or the potential relationship with a bit more sensitivity than usual. It doesn't go for everybody, but I think there's quite a lot of autistic people and it was was at one point myself. I didn't really have many connections with people. Many sort of friends. I didn't have much experience when it when it came to dating. And so, like, if something went wrong in the dating process, something went wrong and like the person just like immediately like could cut you out or cut me out of their life, you know, without sort of having a conversation about it and trying to like. Be a bit softer and more sensitive. I think it's worth being aware of stuff like that because it can hit us a lot more intensely in terms of like developing that special interest and in someone because we are like sort of craving that sort of connection and interaction sometimes obviously dependent on the person. But just like approach it with a bit more sensitivity than usual, I would say, and try not to make make everything so complex and difficult very, very, very quickly or not communicate and not talk about stuff like this if they are being a bit intense, you know, instead of saying instead of stopping talking to them as much and perhaps backing off a little bit and instead of perhaps like indirectly expressing that you're not particularly comfortable with it, perhaps talk to them about it and say, you know, and say, I do actually like you and I would like to continue dating you. I'm just finding it a little bit intense at the moment in terms of communication. And it doesn't mean that I don't like you or anything like that, but it's just a bit fast too quickly. Perhaps we can take things a bit slower, that kind of thing. Being a bit more direct about it is is important. Autistic women in particular can follow love intensely and quickly. We'll also seek reassurance from the other party that they feel the same way as we do. And it can be confusing for us when we don't feel that back or we're not getting that same love. I think as well, what they're getting at, I think a good important aspect to this is direct affirmation, something that I've talked about quite a bit. Let them know how you feel about them. Because we don't always assume things based on like who, how much time you're spending with us or what we're doing together and things of that nature. Sometimes saying it, saying I'm falling for you or I like you a lot or even I love you at some point. Be direct about stuff like that. Obviously, they don't have the first date and say I love you kind of thing, but that might be a bit too intense. But you know what I mean? Just give some direct affirmations here and there just to let them know how you feel and such. It can really help us feel a bit more comfortable in the whole process of all of intense interest in us.  So why aren't you in this all consuming mode that we're in at the time? We also have a very vibrant mind as far as imagination and hopes and dreams and plans for the future. So as soon as we make a connection with someone, it can be hard for us to pump the brakes and say, hey, let's take things slow when we're already married with eight kids and grandchildren sitting on the rocking chair somewhere. I don't know if this makes sense, but I'm just trying to share my experience to help you out. Now, all of that being said, because it sounds a little bit scary to like, why would I want to date an autistic girl if that's going to happen? It sounds scary to me. But I think that's I mean, yeah, I mean, if someone was saying that to me, then it would kind of I mean, I'm not I'm not like opposed and, you know, depending on the context and who it is and and such to getting a bit like, you know, a bit sort of looking into the future and sort of thinking, oh, this is going to be great and all that. But perhaps maybe don't lead with that. I think it could it could it could somewhat turn away some people. I would feel a bit overwhelmed by that myself, even like if I've been dating someone for a while and we're like boyfriend, girlfriend situation, them might be a bit be a bit overwhelming. It depends on the person, though, doesn't it? I suppose I know some people who just kind of jump into things very quickly and they feel all the feels and they sort of talk about their life together and stuff and it's not me. I'm a bit slow. I'd say it's extremely worth it to date a woman who is on the spectrum, one, because we're very loyal. We're also extremely loving direct or kind hearted. We're interesting people. We're smart, well intentioned is a big one. Autistic people aren't normally going to try and hurt you. So even though initially a relationship with an autistic woman can be very they won't try and hurt you. I don't know if that's a good thing. That's not I mean, it's definitely a good thing. But I mean, it's not representative of everybody. Autism doesn't necessarily come with any inherent sort of morality on either side. Some people can be toxic. I've known some autistic people to be extremely kind of all the games being played, kind of ideas, no idea.  It really depends on the person and baffled as to how people would and can be in serious relationships. I find people to be so exhausting and nothing fixes this communication, learning to be yourself on masking, you know, connecting with somebody who has shared values and cares for you and you care for them. And and respecting each other's needs and boundaries. It depends, though, because you've got to find you've got to find a good one. You know, someone who's who's very suited to spill the warning signs just making things complex when they don't need to be, you know, would you say it's incorrect that all autistic people are guileless? Yeah, I think it's incorrect. I don't I don't think that's the case.  And having open communication, I think that's also something that you should look for in an autistic partner. Having being able to have emotional kind of open communication channels is really, really important from both sides. So it's not only important for you and sort of being curious, but you want them to be curious about you and how you work and also be able to to communicate about things, you know, rather than sort of letting things sit sort of in the background.  But if you're having a neurodiverse relationship, someone with someone who is not neurotypical and you are neurotypical. Definitely important to to have that curiosity and that open communication. So set up from from the start, intense. It can also lead to some wonderful relationships and a start of something that could be really long term for you. But as I mentioned before, it's just important to know what you're getting into. So if you want to date an autistic girl. Yeah, being literal and, you know, asking things directly and understanding autism is important. But also just know that we're people to we can be really intense from the get go. But things usually do mellow out eventually as we find our groove in relationships. So just have the patience to get through that initial honeymoon phase, excitement phase and have the patience to understand the wonderful things that can come with dating an autistic person and having a relationship with an autistic person. I think there's a couple more things that I would add. I would say try and play to their routine quite well. So if you if you're not satisfied with the amount of communication that you have with them, maybe talk to them about having doing like a weekly thing or having like a weekly time during the week that you tend to spend time with each other. If you are dating them for a significant amount of time that can alleviate a lot of pressure, because we don't always know how much to talk and how much to, you know, interact with people. And, you know, I think everybody's rules without some degree. But for us, it can having that sort of routine and sort of connecting with you in any in any form of your choosing. I think is a good way to go about it. Yeah, it does it does help like it really does. Like, you know, I mean, my experience, I'm I tend to have a very, very low social battery. In general, I don't specifically I don't particularly like to text all the time. But if my partner wanted to perhaps call every week at a certain time, I'd be like, sure, that'd be good. Or they wanted to see me in particular days of the week. And I'll be like, OK, that's cool. I'll remember that and we'll we'll do the stuff on that day. It just helps a lot.  And, you know, if we're very hyper fixated on our goals and our interests and what we're doing during the day, sometimes we can sort of forget about sort of maintaining things in that way. I mean, I think this is a really good video. And, you know, definitely a lot of food for thought. Interesting. It can definitely be a very different approaching sort of a neurodiverse relationship if you've only dated over a neurotypical individuals. And even if you're autistic and you've only dated neurotypical individuals and get to date an autistic person, it can be somewhat different in ways and adapting, learning, communicating. You know, all that stuff that people talk about, it's it's highly important and being direct and making things a bit sort of certain, simple, easy. Although a lot of dating people out there might say you're going to make things complex and unpredictable and all that. Just please do not do that with autistic people. You will not have a very productive time with that, I would say. But yeah, let's watch the end of this video. See what which has got to say and then we'll wrap up. Hope it goes well for you. If you're watching this thinking, I want to date an autistic girl. What do I do? Well, you can follow some of the things I've said today. And, you know, let me know how it goes. But you got this. Have a wonderful day. I know I didn't go over everything. This is a huge topic. I talk a lot more about autism and dating in my video with Orion. If you want to check that out, please have a wonderful day and I will talk to you next time. Bye. I like the use of please have a wonderful day. It doesn't quite impact my PDA as much than people saying have a wonderful day. Don't know if any of you can relate to that. It's like when, you know, you go to the doctors and say, OK, have a good day. Right. Don't tell me what to do. An advert says, you know, book a holiday to here now. OK, I actually do want to go there, but don't tell me what to do. Skaterboy says, I didn't know I was autistic until my last relationship. We both figured it out together and helped to understand our issues a lot better, even though it didn't work out for many other reasons. Yeah, it can definitely be like a really key thing. And if you are approaching things from the autistic side, I'd highly recommend like trying to to understand some of the differences because there is differences like being autistic, but also like interpersonal with another with another with a neurotypical individual. There are some differences there that do need to like. I think getting to a point where you can explain the important things and explain it in a relatable way can be really, really, really key. Um, because there's been a lot of situations where there's been miscommunication, but it's been from my side as well, I would say, like I just didn't communicate. I kind of assumed things and, you know, and and so it's it's important to really to really try and try and understand sort of the differences in communication. For me, I couldn't imagine dating an NT guy, but I don't know. I feel like too much effort. I'm used to I'm used to dating neurotypical or all this stick women. It's not intentional. Like, I think I do. I do good with autistic girlfriend, but it's not really something that I necessarily like look for. Like if someone's got all the things that I'm looking for and is also autistic, it's kind of like an added bonus, but it's not the main thing. How is it for you, Thomas? Is it energy taking? No, it's not so energy taking because the thing is I'm amassed to such a large degree that I self advocate pretty consistently. So I advocate for my own communication style. I basically say something along the lines of, you know, if you want me to know something, you need to tell me kind of thing. And I just try not to read into things too much and try and understand the indirect communication.  I'm like, OK, you know, I'm autistic. I don't work like that kind of thing. You just try not to apply yourself too much to those neurotypical expectations. You know, it is a situation where there is two people involved. One is yourself. One is someone who isn't autistic. You've got to work things out between you and not necessarily try to push a certain way of being in a relationship just because it's something that they used to. But you've got to communicate about it. You've got to it's different person to person. Well, that has been another beautiful, wonderful, magnificent video from Woodshed Theory, friend of the channel, of course. And if you do want to watch some more stuff, I highly recommend going over to Woodshed Theory's channel. Given a subscribe, like the video, comment comment on the how to date an autistic girl, say Thomas Santu. Say hi from me. And yeah, if you are looking for a little bit more insight into dating autistic people, I do have a lot of videos on my channel and also a podcast with a neurotypical individual who specializes in helping neurotypical partners date and sort of have relationships with autistic people. It's kind of two sides of the same coin. So I highly recommend that podcast. And if you want to learn more about autism and stay up to date with all the stuff that I'm doing, subscribe and drop a like and all that lovely stuff. See you later.


Good morning, everyone. Good afternoon. If you're in Iceland, I guess. Good evening. If you're in Europe or further points east. Welcome to Hyperledger Global Forum 2021. We have an amazing set of content, an amazing set of couple of days here to be able to gather and talk about all the different parts of the Hyperledger community, both the technology side, the deployments that are happening out there in the real world, the things that are possible. We have an amazing lineup of speakers as well. Before we dive into all of that, I'd like to thank our sponsors with a special thank you to the Diamond sponsors Accenture and IBM, as well as our Platinum sponsors, the Falcoyne Foundation, Hitachi Siemens, and Zulig Pharma. All of these companies have come together to help deliver the content, deliver this amazing event for all of you, and thank you to all of you for showing up for carving time out of your day and for joining in this conversation. It's been quite a year since we last met. It's been about 15 months, actually. I can get to my first slide, please. It's hard to remember because it feels like a decade ago, but in March of 2020, early March of 2020, we gathered at the Corona Ranch for Hyperledger Global Forum 2020 to celebrate, just like here, three days of content about our community to get to meet each other, to share tacos and drink margaritas under a starry sky. In that time, a lot has changed. That very week, I remember stepping on the plane home, actually, telling a friend that, you know, I think I'm going to head home and not leave the house for about a year. And I thought I was joking, but I might have been more right than I realized. And we went through a period there, and many of us are still there, in fact, here on Zoom, where suddenly we found our world collapsed to really staring and engaging with each other through Zoom calls, through the same kind of tools that open source communities have always used, which is a good thing, but not having the opportunity to share tacos and beer under a sky. But really, though, our community persisted. Our community, you know, with the bonds that we had built were solid enough that when we came together and realized that there was a major crisis at hand, many of us realized that the technologies we had been working together to build for the last four years might actually suddenly have some relevancy in the fight against this brand new threat against the pandemic. So many of you worked together and worked to create something called the Truster Supplier Network, which started to provide traceability in the delivery of personal protective equipment and help new buyers and new sellers build reputations to be able to trust each other and start work. Others built data sharing networks like the Mipasa Network that was built to share data about the spread of COVID and genetic information about it, and other things to help organize those efforts, even all the way up to the US government and other national levels. Others started to ask, could we use these technologies to build traceability mechanisms in the pharmaceutical supply chain or even in the deployment of verifiable credentials, you know, which our community has long pioneered to help reopen borders through the use of portable proof of vaccination status. And you'll hear a lot more about all those different topics at the rest of the event today. There's so many ways in which our community responded, and I'm so proud of all the work that many of you have done and others to go and respond to these immense challenges. And the good news is that coming out of this crisis from the last year, not only has the economy started to recover and in some cases it's booming back and we see even supply chain shortages elsewhere, it's pretty clear that the enterprise software industry as a whole is also healthy, and in particular the need for enterprise blockchain continues to be strong. Pricewaterhouse Cooper's released a report at the end of last year based on surveys conducted during 2020 where they asked executive CEOs, you know, how much do you plan to deploy this, how important is this to you? And by their estimates we will still see by 2030, enterprise blockchain technology have an impact of the level of $2 trillion and added value to the global economy. Hard to tell what's going to happen sometimes next week, let alone next month, but the trend lines that they see, the sentiment that they pick up on is still completely solid on this front, which is great to see. They even predict by 2025, most businesses will be using blockchain technology. And this doesn't surprise me because every business has a supply chain, every business has payments that flow in or out of that business. Every business deals with identity of itself or its customers, so not a surprise at all to see those kinds of numbers. Deloitte back to that up as well in the continuation of this survey they've done now for three years, talking to the C-sweets about, you know, how confident are you in this technology? Where does it sit in your list of organizational priorities? Is there too much hype in this sector, which they certainly agreed even in 2020 there is more hype than in previous years, but all of them saw increasing confidence that this is an important technology, they're going to continue to build on it. It's transitioning from R&D to pilot to now something ready in production. And we know that we're starting to see industries where by mandate you'll have to start to be on these networks in order to do regulatory reporting, in order to participate in the traceability, some traceability mechanism. And in fact, key to meeting so many of the SDGs I believe is the use of distributed ledger technology and it looks like quite a few people are humming along with that as well. It was nice to see PricewaterhouseCoopers also identify the three key areas where we've seen our own community deploy real production systems. I'd love to go into more depth on these, you'll hear a lot more about these through the rest of the week, but just to give the highlights in central bank digital currencies, a hot headline center place, you'll hear a presentation from Accenture later today, I believe, on central bank digital currencies and the work they're doing. We heard last segment actually earlier this morning from Her Excellency Siree Che, who's the head of the Assistant Governor for the National Bank of Cambodia on Project Back Hong, which they've deployed. But we've seen similar projects in Thailand, in the Caribbean, also using hyper technologies, two different ones actually, Beizu and Fabric, lots of other initiatives out there touching the space. Stay tuned, this is really hot. But in other domains of financial services as well, blockchain technology partners deployed a core system for the Tel Aviv stock exchange, for the exchange of securities on that platform, on top of hyper ledger sawtooth, bondy value with bond exchange markets. We know that there's a lot of activity going on here. The second main area is in provenance tracking, generally speaking, which includes supply chain, but also includes things like intellectual property, right? There's a supply chain of intellectual property, whether it's patents or copyright, knowing where the stuff came from is important. And there, of course, we see companies companies like Walmart, reinventing how their own supply chains work through the use of this technology through food trust and other networks they've set up startups like we dot trade that are connecting those kinds of supply chain information to trade finance networks to make the flow of goods and finance in both directions much more efficient, both of those organizations using hyper ledger fabric at the core of what they do companies like ledger domain looking at traceability in the pharmaceutical supply chain and also building on top of hyper ledger technologies. And we think this is a key part to reopening society to dealing with the supply chain crunch that we all have, but reintroducing trust into our markets. And then finally in the realm of digital identity, not to say finally, like these are the only three to be clear, but these are the three that have had I think the biggest collections of use cases underneath them. We continue to see organizations, both the bonafide, which is an organization serving the needs of credit unions in the United States, secure key with their verified me network. Obviously, our long standing friends in the government of British Columbia, who have deployed self sovereign ID network for businesses and business owners there. But all of these have been kind of flags in the ground for what really has been some interest in this domain from those looking to reopen borders through the use of proofs of test results and vaccination status. We'll hear a lot more about that from Marine mastery from I add a coming up tomorrow. So be sure and try to catch that or catch it on the replay. But really exciting things going on in this domain so core to reforming the way that the world works. And while there is no, as I've said before on the stage of hyperledgic global form, there is no coin market cap for us to track the deployments of all these different projects to 10 decimal points. There is the Forbes blockchain 50, which is an incredible resource for understanding how are the 50 largest companies who are using blockchain technology, how are they using it? What are they using? Turns out 30 of those 50 are using hyperledger technologies, lots of fabric, but lots of use of the other technologies within the hyperledger greenhouse as well. And it's really been great to watch that track over time. In fact, we'll have the Michael Del Castillo appearing tomorrow, tomorrow during the Asia segment, sorry on Thursday during the Asia segment with a number of the companies represented in the index talking about the work that they're doing. So be sure and come for that. For this conference, we've put together more than 100 hours of panels, demos, and other sessions across two different segments. You're joining us here for the second segment. Maybe you were there for segment one as well. And you saw these same slides. I'm giving the same opening in both segments to make sure we address the full global audience. Arno as well is talking to both, but we have unique content otherwise in all the different segments from the keynotes to the different sessions. So it might be late night, feel free to show up in your pajamas or, you know, over the dinner table, whatever time zone map, but we'd really love to have you attend as many of these sessions as you can. Because they came from all different places. We had six of them are actually in Chinese, which is a great way of kind of illustrating the global nature of what we're building. We also have a very diverse set of both speakers and attendees. It's never enough to say we've got 20 percent female participants and speakers. It's like what Ruth Bader Ginsburg said when she asked how many women there should be on the Supreme Court. She said all of them. But we sincerely work hard to make sure that this reflects the full diversity, not only of our community, but of the society that we are serving. So thank you to the program committee for helping make this an amazing collection of content. Just to give you a little bit of a preview, you'll hear from so many of these global brands on stage, but it's also the startups that are in our community that really have a huge impact on the adoption of our technology. During the last segment, we had a panel on CVDCs. Be sure and catch it on the replay. Today you're going to hear from Arno Layors, who will tell us more about the technicals, an update from the technical steering committee and what's going on in our community that's so intense and interesting. Then you'll hear from, actually I have these out of order slightly, sorry. Then you'll hear from David Treat. Sorry, did I skip over? You'll hear then from David Treat, from Accenture, who'll be telling us about the work that they're doing. And then finally from Frank Yanis, who is with the FDA. And I'll give them all the introductions when I get to their points, but my key message is stay tuned. There's a few last pointers I want to just mention before I break away to Arno. First, be sure and join the virtual hallway track in Gather Town. This is where the informal conversations that make these events so fun and so meaningful. We felt we needed to provide a vehicle for that, and that's what we have there at Gather Town. There's a link in Hoppin to be able to get to that. During the breaks, be sure and also check out the networking feature in Hoppin to get to know other people in the community. This is a chance for one-on-one connections to be made around different themes, around different ideas, or just feel free to stumble in and meet someone new. Be sure and claim your $25 Kiva credit that you get as an attendee. There's a limited number of those, so don't wait on that so that you can claim them all. And then just before tomorrow's Mornings segment two, there's a buff from the Crypto Open Patent Alliance, which is going to be really interesting. And so I'm looking forward to seeing many of you there. And finally, on Friday, there's a side event called the Firefly at Hyperledger Day, which all of you are invited to attend as well. Sorry for that plug. We just really wanted to make sure everyone knew about these things. The links to everything above are in Hoppin. And so I do also want to emphasize, all are welcome in the Hyperledger community. We mean that. We want to make sure that there's never a barrier to participation for reasons that are sometimes hard to see when you're in the middle of things in an open source project. We have a code of conduct that applies not only to our projects, but also to this event. We intend to make this inclusive if there's anything you see or anything we do inadvertently or another participant that you need somebody to pay some attention to. Please let us know. There's a link to the code of conduct on the website and throughout the event. So very happy to engage in that front. With that, I'd like to turn the microphone over to Arno Lehoors. Arno is a member of the Senior Technical Staff with IBM. He's also been the chair of the Technical Steering Committee for quite some time now. And he has a presence across the whole of the Hyperledger community, really helping make sure that our technology is solid, but really that the communities that are working together are both successfully working amongst themselves, but then across those project boundaries under the greenhouse as well. So with that, let me welcome Arno to the stage.


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Baseball rules for the upcoming season double headers will be two seven inning games. So same as last year Each offense will get a runner-on-second to start every extra half training every extra inning The active roster limit will revert to 26 and expand to 28 and September MLB clubs are permitted to carry up to five additional taxi squad players on all road trips. They're also going to have Contact tracing. I don't know if they're gonna wear the The thing around their wrist like some of the NBA players and NFL players do but they are going to do that There will be a mandatory five-day at-home quarantine Prior to report to spring training frequent administration of PCR tests Individuals who have been identified as having been in close contact with a confirmed case of COVID will be subject to a mandatory Quarantine of seven days and must test negative on day five or later to rejoin the club a New league-wide code of conduct Prohibiting certain high-risk activities outside the ballpark Indoor gatherings of ten or more indoor restaurants bars and lounges fitness and wellness centers Entertainment venues gaming venues like a casino During the season individuals during road trips are not permitted to leave the hotel other than for team activities at the Team facility or ballpark other than for medical reasons out there walks exercise outdoor dining if approved or for low Other low-risk outdoor activities Contact tracing will record. We will require connects on contact tracing device to be worn at all times while in club facilities Face coverings must be properly worn at all times in the dugout other than for players on the field and MLB clubs will have a compliance officer contact tracing officer and a face mask enforcement officer Fines will be issued for non-compliance during games and the fines will be donated to charity Well, I'm glad that the players agreed to this because again, it's going to be a monk-like existence You can't leave your hotel Except they take a walk can't go to a restaurant can't really do anything. It's not a bubble But it's pretty restrictive But the one thing they didn't agree on of course is the universal DH because the players say that's not so much It's for safety, but it should be something that we get traded You know, we shouldn't have to give them extra playoffs in order to get the universal DH Maybe that'll clip in at the last minute right before the season starts. They'll add the playoffs teams I'm not sure but this is a step forward people are gonna start reporting the spring training February 16, so I guess Yeah, it's a week from today. Yeah a week from today Yankees and Mets will report and I think it's a step in the right direction People ought to be careful. You can't just fly and go, okay Let's play baseball season. You do have to have some restrictions in place and I like what they did Yeah, it's that's fine. And I guess like we have to live with the seven inning double headers, which I guess isn't awful and You know the runner at second base kind of bothers me, but I listen. We were okay with it. It's a little weird Kind of compromises things, but whatever. I guess you can't have these games go on forever, right? So You do that but I just hate the fact that really important decisions to try to help grow the sport are being used as bargaining chips and Especially when I think the players are kind of cutting off their nose despite their face because I think they can benefit from the DH I know it's only 14 jobs or 15 jobs or whatever, but their jobs Right. I mean, I just who wants to see a pitcher hit now This is coming from somebody that always enjoyed the strategy of the game But that's over now. Most of these pitchers don't last six innings. Anyway, you're changing pitchers left and right So what does it really matter? You invest $40 million to Dodgers and Trevor Bauer Do they really want to face it a 95 mile per hour slider? Running bases where you could twist his ankle or pull a hamstring or something like what happened to the knock a few years ago What happened to? Who was it? Kay Gawa Not Kay Gawa Chiming Wong. Yeah, Chiming Wong really Michael. Why? You talk about the longevity of a look how long we got to see Reggie Jackson and Dave Winfield play because of the DH Not to mention that a lot of these National League teams were building maybe assuming there was gonna be a DH And now there's not gonna be I just wish the players and the owners can get together to try to grow the game


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Welcome to exchangeformedia.com. With me today is one of the finest leaders of media and entertainment industry, Ilyn Kirnan, CEO, IPG Media Brands. This is her first visit to India and we are really excited to have you here and thanks for speaking to us exclusively, Ilyn. Tell me how has it been in the last 24 hours in India? It's a dream come true. I have wanted to come to India for years so I'm very very excited to be here. I've only been here for 24 hours so my expectations are still large and excited. The traffic in India is terrifying, that's my first observation and it's great to be here with Diwali, the lights very very pretty so I'm excited to learn and experience so much more. You have been leading India market for quite some time. As a market what do you feel about India you know when it comes to your agency business? We feel very optimistic about India. It's a scaled big powerful market for us. It's a top seven market, it's a big economy in the world. Importantly it's our second most populous country now in the world with the second most employees that we have globally which is very very important for us and we're making a big bet on the role that India will play in how we continue to innovate and create in the digital and technology space so a very important place for us.  It's my first year on the role and we're doing business planning for the year and my commitment to the team globally was every business planning cycle will do somewhere in the world. The last one was in Latin America in Mexico City. This is in obviously in India and the next one will be in Canada and so on and so forth so I expect to be back in India again. We are really looking forward to it. So, meanwhile we know there have been a lot of factors because of which there has been a slowdown across globally but I was looking at your results and APAC reason in a region in particular has performed I think there's been the maximum degrowth in this region. The hardest. So there was last quarter you reported a dip of minus 3.3%. So what were some of the factors that did not work in this region particularly? Well the growth that you're reporting on is IPG level growth so ours was a bit better. That being said the fact holds true that for us APAC was the slowest growing region in this year for us and I think there are a number of factors I mean it's it's it's fair to say that the macroeconomic environment globally has impacted every region and usually in a business of our scale there's always one region that goes up and goes down but the rest of the world kind of compensates. This year every region has been a little bit difficult. I think for APAC specifically I think it's a combination of both scale and innovation I think scale is choppy for us. We have large markets in Australia and in India then we have a lot of smaller markets so when you don't have a lot of scale you have less resiliency when things get difficult and I think the rate of innovation I think the insight for us is we have to innovate faster to make sure that during those times we have more new solutions to market to offset the debt. So during the last results Philip Karkowski here global CEO of IPG he spoke about a lot of factors that led to the de-growth or slow down the growth he spoke about decrease in client activity in the tech and telecom sector increased concerns among marketers related to macroeconomic conditions but these are all largely external factors right as as a leader of the agency what are some of the internal things that you can control during these years? You know I give that a lot of thought because obviously the levers that we have we need them to be scaled especially during times of macroeconomic and social disruption like we're experiencing all over the world. One of the things that we're doing right now in the business is it's kind of twofold with a two-pronged strategy which is to really simplify and streamline the way that we do business to bring more accuracy efficiency speed agility which I think makes the our media process which has become quite complicated based on all the media fragmentation for easier to work with and when you have a much more streamlined and simplified infrastructure your ability to innovate far faster speeds up so we're thinking through how we get this virtuous cycle of simplification streamlining to further innovation to offset some of those that volatility that we're experiencing around the world in the future. You know coming back to India market what are some of there are some of the areas where you feel that India is leading you know India is doing better than your other markets. India is very much a digital first market for us so I think the rate of transformation that we can we can expect out of India is tremendous. We also learn a lot from India because it's one of those unique markets where the local business footprint is so large and it's about 80-20 local to global which is unusual for my profile so what we can learn from innovation that's happening in India and bring to the rest of the world is really really interesting and obviously the technology sector we're leading very heavily on on what India can do for us as a partner in how we're all trying to drive change and transformation across our businesses. We're investing heavily in India and we know that India will return tremendous yield for us in the future. Now if I have to ask you the areas where India can do better you know what are the domains in which India can learn from your other markets. I think one that's specific to India uniquely and then one that's probably common to all markets right now the first one being integration. I think we have a lot of amazing amazing newer skill sets in our Indian teams across the market. I think how we bring them together in new ways to work in new and integrated ways for clients as a real opportunity so integration true integration not just integration in terms of collaboration but integration in terms of workflow is a real opportunity so I'm pushing the Indian team hard to make that a reality in 2024 and then in terms of just all markets where we're facing some struggles change you know you can put change on a piece of paper you can you can put the technology plan in place you can find the investments. Driving people change changing behavior is extraordinarily difficult. So one of my asks of the entire network is to just embrace change and believe that what will come with that is better for all. Do we expect any announcements that you are here you know of integration or some something new or some acquisitions. I think meeting here is an announcement. No big announcements we've made some recent big announcements we've done a lot of structural change across IPG media brands to simplify our offering to bring all of our performance units together and to create a much more simplified end-to-end workflow that will transform all of our businesses so that was the most recent announcement. IPG tends to as an M&A strategy focus more and fewer bigger better so we are constantly looking at what we will invest in next but I have nothing to report as of now. Stay tuned on that one. So one of the integrations that happened recently was Kineso. Correct. So and I just as I entered I saw the office of Kineso on the ground floor itself so if you can tell us more about it you know what was the idea behind it and how has it contributed it's been it's been some months. It's been about it's been about nine months. Nine months. So you know how is it enhancing the overall business for. Yeah it's a good question. You know the change is always hard especially when people are impacted and they're asked to carry new cards or move floors or whatever the change is. It's already proving to be impactful for a client so ever. The rationale behind the change is quite frankly clients are demanding simplification. There is no longer a divide between performance media and media. They are one. So with those two realities being in place it was obvious to us that we needed to bring our performance units including our you know connected to data and technology together into one unit. But operating against a workflow that travels into the agency brand so every team works in a client no matter which unit you're in. You're working in one singular optimized end to end workflow. Importantly underpinned by one media brands one P&L one management structure where all teams are motivated and KPI against the same goals. So clients are beginning to feel that simplification in our process. Things should be moving much faster. There should be less breakdowns or or handoffs that cause slowdowns or inaccuracies in data. So we're we're betting hard on our ability to really simplify how we work in this complex landscape and in that simplicity drive tremendous value for our clients. You know talking of change digital has been one of the biggest disruptor of this industry in the last 10 15 years. What kind of challenges does the Google and Meta duply present to you. You know they're great partners of ours and if you're in this business you are in business with Google and Meta. So you know in that regard I embrace them as important parts of our ecosystem. It's always a challenge when there are when there are businesses that are enormously big that get a disproportionate amount of share for many many reasons. It means that new innovation doesn't get supported the way that it needs to get. It means that dollars diversification to support diverse platforms or diverse publishers get more squeezed and clients get very dependent on the ROI models that they become used to in their in their you know M&M. So making change from those platforms is difficult. That being said they're already being challenged because the the rate of change around us is inevitable. So what's happening with Tiktok. Tiktok is a mega entry into the space that is quickly stealing share from the Googles and the Facebooks of the world. The Google it's happening with Twitter. So change happens all the time. So while we we make sure that we work with the marketplace in an open source democratic way we know we deal with the the big guys as we have to and obviously they're great partners. But I expect ongoing innovation and change just to be the the normal course of business. What is the future both for traditional media agencies. It depends on what you mean by the word traditional media agencies or companies. When you're doing the traditional media buying and selling and not like digital is what we we just spoke about Facebook Google and all the traditional things that you were doing in 90s and early 20s. Do they still exist. I don't think I don't I don't well maybe that's a good question to ask. I it's not about how you decide to structure as a business. We are in the business of connecting brands with consumers to in order to connect brands with consumers. You have to be where consumers are consuming media where they're consuming content. The fact of the matter is they're consuming content in all manner of places primarily in the digital ecosystem. So to be avoiding avoiding of those spaces feels like a very bad business strategy to me. So I think today's traditional media agencies are digital are social are performance based are tech enabled are data centric and should carry on being so. So you know recently we had a big conference on media agencies and you know a lot of almost all senior leaders from India spoke she also spoke there and you know the most discussed topic was of remuneration. You know how there has been a gap in this and there's also a trust deficit you know between the client and the agencies and the whole issue of rebate and all of that was discussed extensively and it was coming from heart you know how I we could sense it you know that this is this has become a pain point for most agencies. Is it a global problem. That's one thing that I would want to understand from you and secondly what is the solution that you think can reduce it or help address it. First off it is a global problem. It does take shape slightly differently in different markets around the world based on how people value the dynamics of the marketplace different things that different teams value different clients but it's definitely a global problem and it has been for decades. I think remuneration and how how we compensate fairly in in in these partnerships has has been a problem for a long time. I think the opportunity is is to reconcile the disconnect that we have right now which is we have a combination of we are accountable to driving growth through the most strategic and analytical of ways including in our compensation. So driving real growth for clients and at the same time there's an appetite to drive savings. Now while there's a relationship between those those two things having both at the same time as equal levers is a contradiction. So there are more and more clients who are willing and open to come into the table with us and we have to drive these conversations really openly and transparently to really talk very honestly and candidly about what do we value as a partnership. Are we driving business results. What business results. What are the mechanisms and pathways to get there to make sure there were KPI against those goals versus some arbitrary legacy goals of the past. So it's a very complicated path forward. Lots of innovation happening. I have faith will get there. Lots of great plans want to go on that journey with us. But I'm not naive to think it's not an easy hard thing to to to solve at the same time. You know before we close you're such a senior industry leader you've experienced across different markets. What are some of the other challenges that media business is currently facing and needs to be dressed. You know I think the biggest thing we're all facing is if Boston Consulting Group came out with a research I think it was last year where they were examining the length of duration of competitive edge. So in 10 years ago if you developed a new innovation a significantly scaled new innovation or you're first to market with something major you get a 10 year runway with which to optimize and really run out that differentiation. Nowadays in today's landscape that level of differentiation that you can retain for yourself is about 18 months. So with that as a reality the speed of innovation that we have to be able to act with in our businesses is extraordinary. So to do that we have to radically simplify how we work which is which is a statement when you look at the complexity and the fragmentation in the landscape and the amount of data and tech that we're enabled with we have to radically simplify in order to rapidly innovate. And I think that's the biggest challenge that we face as an industry. Last question. You said India is your seventh market right now right. What are expectations in the next five years from India market. I also mentioned it's our number two market in terms of employees. Yes. So with that that's a really interesting combination. I think with the way that India is changing and the best that India is making in terms of its growth on different industries the technology sector. I expect India to carry on growing and I expect it to be a top five market and maybe even further than that in the next three years. Thank you. Thank you for talking to us. I know you have a packed schedule you need to rush but hopefully next time you'll come and give us more time and come to our event as well. Thank you for having me. It's a little pleasure. Thank you. Thanks a lot.


So we haven't seen any public opinion polls out of Ohio. At least I haven't I know that both campaigns have internal polling that they do But either way what's evident is that Chauncelle Brown the incumbent who's running against Nina Turner who is primarying her She's got to be afraid because the super PAC who supports her which is bankrolled by an oil mogul is spending Lots and lots of money to defeat Nina Turner So even though we don't necessarily know where they're at with regard to numbers This is kind of a sign that perhaps Chauncelle Brown is a little bit more worried than she's leading on So the lever has a really interesting report about how much money is being sunk into this campaign Recently just at the last minute before the May 3rd primary So as antropares of the lever explains one month after Samson energy mogul Stacey Schusterman poured two million dollars Into DMFI PAC the group purchased TV ads starting Monday to boost representative Chauncelle Brown In her primary campaign rematch against former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner in a newly redrawn Cleveland Congressional District The primary election date is May 3rd last year DMFI PAC spent $1.9 million attacking Turner and promoting Brown helping the latter win this seat in a special election The group also spent 1.4 million dollars attacking Sanders during his 2020 campaign Turner who co-chaired Senator Bernie Sanders 2020 presidential campaign has been campaigning for a Green New Deal and pressing the Biden administration to ban fracking Brown has declined to co-sponsor some of the House Democrats most high-profile Climate legislation including the Climate Emergency Act even after United Nations scientists recent dire warning about the crisis While Brown's campaign website says she supports the principles laid out in the Green New Deal She has not co-sponsored the measure in Congress Schusterman chairs Oklahoma based Samson energy whose website describes it as a Company that was formed to allow the Schusterman family to remain in the oil and gas Exploration and production business following their sale of Samson investment company in 2011 the company has been one of the country's per-well emitters of greenhouse gas emissions. Hmm. Very interesting I wonder why an oil mogul would spend so much for own money to keep Chauncelle Brown in Congress This is a Democrat that we're talking about here. This is not a Republican that we're talking about here This is a Democrat and an oil mogul is spending millions and millions of dollars to keep Chauncelle Brown in Congress That should tell you a lot about Chauncelle Brown, right? That oil mogul fought to get Chauncelle Brown this seat and Chauncelle Brown is delivering when it comes to policy This is what corruption looks like it might be legal corruption legalized bribes effectively, but it's still corruption nonetheless and You know this oil mogul is invested in this race because Chauncelle Brown has proven that she is loyal to said oil mogul Now I'm not sure why DMFI even calls itself DMFI They might as well call it the Schuster pack because this is a super pack that is largely bankrolled by this one oil mogul And this is Democratic majority for Israel. This is a Democratic Party super pack taking money from an oil mogul. You think that any Organization at all even if it's a super pack like these are inherently corrupt organizations, right? But you think that any Organization associated with Democrats would reject oil mogul money You'd think that the Democratic Party would view this as taboo and you know Call on this the super fact to denounce and reject these donations, but they're not doing that It's just it's truly gross and it goes to show you who would be the real fighter for climate change. It's not Chantel Brown, it's Nina Turner because Nina Turner Actually supports a Green New Deal and supports any legislation even the milk toast legislation that the Democrats are proposing To move us closer in the right direction just simply declaring climate change and emergency I mean as you've seen from the article Chantel Brown won't even support the bare minimum. It's It's gross, but now you know the price tag of Chantel Brown Perhaps if the climate change mitigation groups like the renewable energy sector formed a powerful enough lobby All they have to do to buy Chantel Brown's loyalty is outspend this oil mogul So, you know the price tag It's a million dollars about two million dollars and then you could just buy her back in the other direction But see what's great about Nina Turner is she can't be bought and her campaign manager released a statement Explaining that and explaining why this pay-to-play practice is so damaging to our democracy They released a statement following this news saying the reason special interests are committed to the selection is because Chantel Brown relies on their money to Stay in power. She has already demonstrated that she will do their bidding and proven She is more than willing to mislead the people of greater Cleveland They go on to explain sadly right here in Ohio 11 Those same corrupt interests are pumping money into campaigns and super PACs because they know Nina Turner and progressives like her aren't Going to Washington to be a partner with them. Let's be clear those corporate interests don't make donations They make investments and they expect a return on those investments and the reason why they're so committed to keeping Chantel Brown in power is because Their investment is paying off. It's it's bearing fruit. She's doing their bidding and Again, I've got to go back to what happened last week how the Congressional Progressive Caucus endorsed Chantel Brown over Nina Turner Chantel Brown is a member of the New Democrat Coalition, which is a corporate wing of the party They formed their own little Caucus she's part of the centrist caucus and the progressive caucus simultaneously and the Congressional Progressive Caucus because they have no standards They accepted her and then now they endorsed her because they want to protect their incumbents as caucuses do It's just it's it's a joke It's a joke and this is why so many people feel discouraged and demoralized and why they tune out of politics altogether And just stop voting because things like this happen, right?  So it's It's ridiculous.  She cares about her career and Nina Turner is the opposite she rejects money from special interests and because of that, she's essentially Crippling her own campaign. It makes it a lot more difficult to get elected But by rejecting that money you send a message to constituents in Ohio 11 that you're not gonna be there to play games to do The bidding of oil moguls and special interests. You're there to fight for the people Uncorrupted unbought that's who you should be voting for so I mean if the people in Ohio's 11th district vote for Chantel Brown Then it's clear that big money won yet again Because if they see the differences between Chantel Brown and Nina Turner It's evident that one of them is a bullshitter and one of them actually cares about policy issues But big money can drown out good messages of good candidates like Nina Turner So, you know, it's evident that they're spending this money because they feel as if they have to But still the fact that they're doing this goes to show you that Nina Turner is a threat And that's all the more reason why you should support her So if you can chip in a buck or two or support Nina Turner by phone banking for her or canvassing for her Definitely do that because she's someone who actually cares about policy issues and not just her own career