All right, so health is important to you. We'll check this out. This is one of the most impactful things you could do for your health in a positive way. Be with people, have good connections, build good relationships. The data on this is incredible. It's actually alarming. There's a loneliness epidemic that's exploding across Western societies and it increases risk of everything that's chronic from heart disease to diabetes to even dementia. The world is making it easier to be isolated. Don't buy into it, be with people. We talked about Hangout, bro. The study that compared that to smoking cigarettes, right? I got some new data for you. Okay, let's share. Yeah, dude, this is wild. So first of all, we are in a loneliness epidemic. There is a 39%, by the way, this is only over the last less than a decade. So not even 10 years. 39% increase, which was already, it was already growing at that point, but 39% increase in feelings of loneliness across the board. You ready for this? The age group of 15 to 24 has 70% less social interactions with their friends than the previous generation. Wow, 70%. 70%, now check out what they've connected to loneliness. It's almost like I'm talking about like a bad drug or something. 29% increase of heart disease, 32% increase risk of stroke, and a 50% increase risk of developing dementia for older adults, all from loneliness. Wow. Isn't this wild? Yeah. Do you think it's a bit skewed just because of what we just came out of, you know, to almost three years of COVID stuff where people started to... I'm glad you asked that, because I looked that up and there was a spike during the pandemic, it did not go back down. So... At all? Like we haven't returned interesting. Yeah. So people changed their behaviors around that time. And yet, even though it's now being reported by CDC like the flu, we're not returning back to kind of our old behaviors pre-COVID.   He said, we've made being lonely or alone so alluring, so convenient, and so the way of the world that meeting with people now is no longer the default. It used to be the default. Like you had to meet with people just to do... Something. Everyday things. Yeah. Now what's happened is we've made everything so, it's almost like meeting with people all you're really thinking about is the anxiety. I gotta address a particular way. Oh, we're gonna have conversation. Like I'd rather not because I can get away with not really meeting with people. And then connecting with people online, a lot of, especially that age group I said 15 to 24, they'll make the argument, well, I talk to my friends all the time. We connect online. It's not the same thing. Not even close. Yeah, it's gotta be a multitude of factors too. I mean, like some companies are just still getting people to come back from work from being remote. And so it's like having those natural interactions where you cross paths with people, it's so much easier to avoid all that now and just get like food delivered to you to just stay isolated. There's a lot more businesses out there that are catering to that. I think that's, you really have to go out of your way and be intentional to hang out with your friends and with other people. Yeah, I'm interested in your point about loneliness becoming more alluring than it was before because it makes me think of that, what's that paradox called that Chris Williamson shared on his podcast? I shared it a long time ago after he did. I thought it was really interesting. And it's basically where if something is less than a mile, we'll walk it. If it's over two miles, we get in a car and we drive it. If it's somewhere in between, we choose the path that's actually not the smarter path because it's like in that sweet, I forget what that paradox is called. I remember that. I forgot the name, yeah. But it makes me think of that when you say that like loneliness has become actually so much better than what it was, what's it called? Region beta paradox. Yes. The phenomenon that people can sometimes recover more quickly from more distressing experiences than from less distressing one. The difficult events create better outcomes over time. So in other words, because loneliness has become so more alluring because of DoorDash, because of our cell phones, because of Netflix streaming. It's not that bad. It's not that bad.  I got nothing to do this. I gotta get up and do so. I gotta go meet people. I gotta figure something out because this is so uncomfortable. The example that I was given was, meeting with people digitally is like a good analogy would be like comparing pornography to connecting with the human being and obviously having sex or intercourse. It's, you get something, but you don't get the real value. Arthur Brooks says that FaceTime, for example, we FaceTime somebody, you get the dopamine, but you don't get the oxytocin. So we've identified this in terms of neurotransmitters and like oxytocin is how we bond with people. But loneliness is exploding. It's absolutely exploding. And part of the reason why it's, so think about fitness, for example, let's just go back for a second. In the past, you were active by default. You had to be active.  Well, I have to go physical labor and do lift rocks and break things and whatever. So we were active naturally, but then what happens? We made life so alluringly sedentary that you have to actually schedule activity. You actually have to think about doing hard physical things to reap the benefits. This is now what's happening with human interaction. To where it's very easy to not meet with anybody.   And so, oh, but wait a minute. I could just talk with people online. I could play video games and put on my headset and it's not the same thing though. It's not even close to the same thing. And so it's exactly what you said, Adam. It's like the frog that's in the water that's slowly boiling. It's very deceptive because it does have, like you have those outlets where you can still talk to people. And if it's digital, it feels like you're still connected on some level, but it's not, you're not receiving any of the benefits that you do in person. And you think what's happening is that these kids that are choosing this way of socializing via virtual reality type of stuff or on the internet or whatever, it takes probably years for it to compound enough before they're like, something's wrong, right? Before they can recognize it or somebody else can recognize it in themselves. Or even worse, they don't know the alternative. Right, they don't know. They've always been this way, you know?  Yeah, yeah. Say it for the first time and they look back and go, oh my God, I had no idea.  And then it's like. And then they actually get good energy. Yeah, and then you're like, oh, wow, I didn't realize that it could be this good. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. It's crazy because the default in the past, like when we were kids, if you didn't go outside, I mean, you didn't talk to kids. So you had to go outside. And then when you went outside, everybody was outside. So you were meeting with people. That's got its own challenges, but at least you had some connection. Families don't get together like they used to. You know, in the past, there were community ways of meeting with people on a regular basis, church being one of the main ones. And there's still some towns like this, right? Every Sunday, people get together. That doesn't happen anymore. Block parties don't happen anymore. Neighborhood, neighbors barbecuing together, meeting with each other, just dropping by. I may ask you guys this question, when's the last time somebody just dropped by your house without calling? Well, I mean, I have a little bit, I have these kids that come by. That's great. But that's it. That's rare. Yeah, that just started again. And so I think too, we recognize how rare that is. And we're just like, yes, get out there. Do all the things, go play hard, skin your elbows up, just take risks. That's the whole thing. Kids, I feel like the risks, they're just not seeking that out because too, they can get that same sensation digitally or they're risking and they're doing all these things on video games. That's not the same.  I think it's exacerbated too because of the connection that even parents and kids have with each other too. Totally. So it's like one thing that you've cut out, the rest is the society. But if you at least had a normal social connection with your own intimate family, you might be okay. But I find that you're seeing more and more of that too, where it's like, I mean, I don't know how many times we were out at a restaurant and I looked over at the table right next to us and three kids, two parents, each kid had their own separate iPad watching their thing. You know what I'm saying? They're at this dinner table together and everybody's still alone. And so you gotta think that, man, that's gotta be making it accelerate this even more if it's already bad enough that they're probably not going out there with everybody else. But then even when they come home and their immediate family isn't doing it and they're all kind of isolating themselves even when they're in together, you know? So I'll call myself out. Nobody's making eye contact. You know, that's the big one is like, if I'm ever hanging out with a kid and it's like, I'm trying to like make that eye contact. A lot of times like kids have a hard time now just even looking up and looking you in the eye. I'll call myself out on it. Like when I made that example of someone stopping by, like my instinct would be to get annoyed if someone showed up. You know what I mean? Knock on my door.  What's going on? You know what I mean? My instinct would be like, they should call before them. We need to schedule this. Why are you texting me? Why don't you, yeah, why, you know? But, you know, recently I've been really paying attention to this personally, you know, about once or twice a week I'll have a day where it's just me and the kids and my wife gets out of the house and she'll try to meet up with friends. And we're trying to make a big effort on, you know, having these kind of social groups that we develop or whatever. So I'm alone with the kids and it was a little bit of a learning curve but now I'm finding myself like so present in finding the joy in the everyday, regular stuff. But it was so easy for me before. It would have been so easy to disconnect a little bit. All right, you guys do that thing. I'll be over here, put on a little TV, do a little that, whatever.  You don't want to, but it's not. Not even that you just want easy, I think, like to your point earlier, like it's become so alluring.  You easily can get looped in. And so I think it's partially that. Sure, there's definitely the part two where, you know, these tools have become like glorified babysitters for parents or that. So I get that. But then there's also the selfish allure of like wanting to get on and be entertained yourself and these, you know, these moments of boredom that are just these split seconds. And it's so easy to reach for the phone or the iPad or the TV and click that on and then disconnect from everybody that you're around. Like, yeah, no, I mean, I think about this a lot. Like it's, it's.  Yeah, it's like everybody's watching everybody else do everything.  And I just think like for me, it's just making the effort because I'm notorious for this, right? Or I'll, you know, I got this going on and that. Totally. You know what I'm saying? And then like, and not do it versus. And I know every time I like, I make myself like the weekend before when we went up, like I almost didn't go up to go riding. And it's like, man, then I get up there and I'm like, God, I love here. I love when I'm here. I love. It's so easy to stay at home. It is. That's what you're saying. And so, you know, a lot of it is just making that effort to go, go do, to go do things physically. And then it's, then it is easier to disconnect from those verses, like making excuses of why you can't and getting stuck at home. We started doing this thing and there was a few weekends we stopped, but we started back up where we do this, like communal get together on Sundays. And we invite everybody's invited. It's a potluck and everybody cleans up. Everybody brings food.  Show up, let's hang out, bring your kids, make it super relaxed. So we had some friends over with their kids and it was amazing, man, like, you know, the kids played and yeah, you gotta be on top of them. You gotta watch what they're doing. And at first you can see parents are anxious or whatever and it's like, don't worry about it. You know, they make a mess who cares. Like, what's the big deal? And we had a great time. In fact, I'm getting more of these activities that encourage that kind of stuff. You know what I found? Did you guys ever play with, they used to sell these where they were like, it looked like a rocket and you'd add water to it and you'd pump it up.  So I went on, I'm like, dude, do they make those still? I bought one that uses a two liter bottle.   Bro, we were, it was like hours, hours of fun. Just blasting it in the air and my son's like, is it gonna go on another planet? I'm like, no, it's not working. Oh yeah, I just love doing that with my kids. But I could see my kid like, you know, cause we've been really practicing this and then the rocket went over to the neighbor's yard and my son, who typically is shy, he walked over there with me, the lady opens the door and he talked to her, you know, excuse me, my rocket came in your backyard. Can I walk back there and take a look at it? And I'm like, look, I'm like, what? This is cool. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, they read your energy to the kids, you know? That's really good. That was, it was a good time. Today's YouTube giveaway is MAPS Aesthetic. To enter to win, leave a comment below this video on the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to the channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. Also this month's sale, MAPS Anabolic and MAPS Anabolic Advance, both incredible workout programs, both half off this month only. If you're interested, click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. Did you have a meet this weekend? Yeah, we had another tournament. The boys did. It was down in San Luis. They did good. There's a few, like, so there's three different events and they did really good on the double mini, which is like this trampoline that's sort of like, you gotta run, it's a running start and you hit it from the front and then like, it's like a double jump and then you flip off of it. Okay. So they crushed that. I think Ethan got second and I think ever did two. Wow. But the other ones, not as great, but it was just because like, I mean the level of competition has gone up and there's like a few moves that like, if you don't nail it perfect, it's just like, it just sets and yeah, it kills it dude. So they're still working on. Is that how they judge kids at that level? It's like, you know, you should be able to do certain tricks by a certain age and like, and then it's like, that's kind of like the standard. I mean, I guess that's no different levels. Yeah. I mean, that's very, if you watch like X games and you watch snowboarding or skateboarding, it's like- There's a minimum? There's like, well, there's like a, you gotta be able to do certain tricks or you're not gonna score high. Right. So it's like- And even when you do like, so he had on his trampoline, he does really well with his routine, but it's like not as complex as some of the other kids. So they add like all these layers of complexity in that level that he hasn't added yet. So he like nailed it. I'm like, yeah, like killed it. But you got last place. Cause it was just like, they were doing these like triple flips and like all these like other added difficulties to their routines. And so it was like, okay, we gotta figure this out and start working on a few of those other skills and develop them so you can throw it in there. Now, have you had- The proprioception with that is insane. Oh yeah.  Like is it- Oh, way obvious, yeah. There's a few kids, a lot of times it's like, these kids from like the Eastern European countries and stuff that they come in. Oh, and they're starting so young. And they're just, their form is just immaculate, you know?  And he competes at a higher level than like Ethan and all the other kids, like way older than him. Wow. And he'll do this, this tumbling where he flips and then he does whip it's where, or whips, I guess they call him, where they do it without hands and they just kind of flip.  And it's just like, dude, who is this kid? He's just like everybody's just mind blown.  How do you know where you're at? That's such a crazy skill to know where you're at in space. Do you spin me like that? I don't know, up, down, left, right? You gotta be obsessed. Like this kid is like one of those that works like extra hours, he's in there like seven days a week. Like he doesn't mess around. Gymnasts and divers, right? They have to have the best proprioceptive ability. Cause they could just, you watch divers spin off the, almost the exact same thing that you're talking about. Is there a crossover? Oh, I'm sure there's lots of divers. Yeah, a lot of people that were, especially the trampoline version. Yeah, they do, yeah, they do really well in diving or the other one was, it was like freestyle. It was like a ski event where you launch off and like a downhill jump. Downhill jump where you spin and do all the tricks. I just watched, it's so funny you said that. I just watched the video, the longest, I don't know, it's called ski jump of all time.  And the dude, he comes down like he's going to hit the ground and I think he caught a gust of wind and kind of went up a little bit and floated all the way, oh my holy cow. Who's the first person to try that, by the way? The balls to like just fly in the air. Just to jump off something. It always feels like, I remember when we used to like, we used to video all of our stuff when we were jumping.  And when you're doing it, it feels way bigger than what it is. Oh, and then you see the video.   You're like what?  Yeah, yeah. That's what always used to surprise me is like how much faster and bigger it feels when you're in it. And then when you go back and you re-watch it. So that like, I don't even think half the people really reckon, unless you do those sports, right?  Insane. Insane.  And gymnastics too, like physics plays such a big role, right?  Oh yeah. Yeah, so there was this one kid that was six two who was there, who was like, I don't know, I guess he was on his way into high school but was still doing the gymnastics.  That's crazy. It just looked bizarre. And he looked like Dolph Lundgren. He had like a full on mullet and like he was just this tall kid over everybody. I mean, I'm always extra when you have somebody who has like a body type that doesn't fit the sport and then they do well, I think it's always fascinating. And that's what made I think Jujimufu so famous. Yeah. It's just- The bodybuilder didn't make sense, the physics. Yeah. Yeah, if he was at 130 pounds, can he keep nobody to care? I mean, as great as all the cool stuff he does, it's like, that's not what's impressive. It's what's impressive. He's not supposed to do that. You know what I'm saying? Like his body type is not supposed to be able to spin and move like that. Although you see him paying for it though, right? Dude, I was hanging out with the parents one night and do you have anything in common by the way? And besides gymnastics, are they like normal people? Is there like a gymnastic parent?  Be careful of someone missing, bro. There's some weirdos, but also there's some cool like parents and so thankfully I was hanging out with some of the cool ones, but we were just like chopping it up around the fire and the kids were swimming in the pool. We stayed at this hotel. And they're actually talking to me about like a trend like it's good cause they all go to different schools and this is like kind of like a hub for a lot of different local schools in the area. And so I kind of find out what like a trends are in this school and the other ones. All this apparently like the thing that they're talking about with prom and like a lot of dances and stuff now that we used to go and we get drinks ahead of time and we just like take shots or whatever and go in and then that way cause then they'd, you know, search you and make sure you don't have it on you. Yeah. You did that in high school? Well, yeah. Damn. You didn't? No. No, I never drank, I never drank in high school ever.  You know, I just say that to make myself sound cool. No, I actually did it. But so yeah, these kids, I guess their thing so they don't get caught is like they'll take like soaked tampons. Oh, come on, bro. I read this and put it in their buttholes and their butt or the vagina. They'll soak a tampon in alcohol. It's so they get drunk, but you can't smell it. Yeah. And by the way, they're like twice as hard, isn't it? Twice as hard. Yes. So you could get, I was like, is this really a thing or is this like, just, you know, you heard like some urban legend. No, this is like a thing apparently. One of the parents was telling you this or like, like the kids have hacked the system. You know, I was like, wow, dude, that's crazy. I wonder if I would do that. I never would have thought to do that. And yeah, to get drunk, how dangerous. Put a tampon. I would be like, you know, as a high school kid, I probably would have. Really? Yeah, yeah.  For sure. What else did you put? I'm like trying to think like, okay, how, what level of stupidity? Where is that at? Like, listen in high school, the about the only thing I would have done like that would have been if it was guaranteed muscle game, then I would have like, sure, I'll do it. To get drunk, no. I didn't care. I didn't care about that at that point in my life. So, no, definitely. That's crazy. But that could get someone sick fast. Oh yeah. I mean, we talked about this even with the powdered alcohol.  Like, so, like, I don't know, dude. That's where I was like, I sat back and was like, man, I'm, I am definitely, you know, getting. How do you check your kids now before they go to a party? Spread your cheeks. Bend over. Cough. You know, something's weird with your son's buying tampons. Yeah, these days, I'm a little worried. And you know what?  Can we say something? I know what you're doing, right?  That's crazy. So, so there's that, you guys. Keep on the lookout. Which people are shoving stuff in their butts. Yeah, I don't know. The ingenuity. That's the internet. See, this is like a side effect of the internet because there's only way that that, if we became knowledgeable or knowledge, we had to be the internet, right?  What was the, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What was the, He's always telling people to put things in there. The Johnny Knoxville show. What was that? They didn't do alcohol in their butts. Yes, they did. Jackass.  Oh, he did a beer funnel. Yeah. Yeah, but did they show him the drunk show? Yes, he threw up from it because he got so drunk. Oh my God. So, I mean, so that was. The butt chug. I remember the first time I had, when I first saw that, I didn't understand.  So, and I'm sure a lot of other people didn't either. So I'm sure that made it pop. All they had to do is breathalyzer at the dance, blow into this, nope, can't come in. It won't, it won't come up that way, will it? Of course it will.  Yeah. Did they said that? No, I don't think so. It would be detected. I think that's part of why they do that, bro. No, it goes right in. No, you metabolize alcohol and it comes out in your breath. It's not cause the alcohol was in your mouth. I don't know, bro. I think you don't. I think it would pass. No, dude. There's no way you pass a breathalyzer just cause you put alcohol. No way, dude. You make me want to check that. I don't know. I don't know. You might want to fact check that. I think they're getting away with it. I think a bunch of drivers would have figured that out by now. I don't know. Yeah, I know. That'd be the need.     You can go way past the line cause you didn't really know. If you get a breathalyzer and you boof, it's called boofing by the way. Yeah, that's right. I remember that. It's gonna show up, told you. That's right. Alcohol comes through the lungs. Oxygen, carbon dioxide, interchange in your body occurs. Told you. It's more of a smell and a detection. Yes, bro. Breathalyzer is not smell.  Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah. That doesn't work either. No, I remember that. Oh yeah, I had my buddy. I think my buddies did that. Yeah, I think my buddies did that. They got in trouble at prom and they were like sucking on pennies like crazy. It's called boofing. Yeah, so if you breathalyzer at the dance, everybody will know.  Yeah. How embarrassing. I hear that guy. You know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway, dude, I read a crazy article about AI generated content. Did you know that there's people, so this is gonna keep getting weirder and weirder? There are channels on YouTube that they're targeting children because that's a really, apparently that's the best market to target on YouTube. With AI generated cartoons and animations that look like popular kids shows like Cocoa Melon and stuff like that. But it's AI generated and it's getting a bunch of views and stuff. And parents are figuring it out because they're watching it and it doesn't make sense. Some of these animations are disturbing, in fact. Some of the parents are saying. And then they'll go back and report it and they're like, oh, this is AI generated. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. I watched an AI generated short film. I sent it to you guys. Pretty sure you don't watch it. It was an AI generated short film. Oh, yeah, yeah. Did you watch it? Just part of it. Of aliens invading the planet. The entire short film, it was 10 minutes long, so not that long. The entire thing was AI generated. Was it good? Yes. Oh, it was? I mean, good enough. I mean, I could see how it's gonna get way better. It had the president on there talking. So they obviously took clips of him and the AI made him look like he was talking. It showed the spaceships and Vladimir Putin talking. It was this whole like, it was like this real crazy. Entertainment is just gonna completely get a big facelift with AI generated. So cause two, they're always looking to cut production costs. But I don't know, man. I don't know if it's, like how long is it gonna take before it's like, oh wow, this is a really good story, well thought out, like all the pieces kind of work together. I think it's gonna be a while. I mean, you have to think that we thought that like when CGI and stuff like that came out that it was gonna ruin movies and TV and the graphics and stuff like that.  Yeah, I mean, so I don't know. I think it's just gonna be another thing, right? There's gonna be a genre of AI generated things that- Is it or is it gonna be like it's where you're gonna have your own AI generator and so all your content will be personalized and it'll make movies just for you. It's not gonna, you're not gonna care about who else watches the movie. I don't know. Don't you think there's something in about there's, I mean- Were you telling me? Well, you lose the artistry out of that. And so maybe temporarily will be entertained by that or like it, but then I think we'll still have this pull towards like true artistry. Well, here, just more disturbing news on that end. There was a guy who started an AI, it was a porn site where it was, it'll AI will generate what you're looking for. So you'll type in what you want and they had to shut it down because the search is, and he said his quote was, I don't know if people are testing the AI to see if it'll do it or if people actually are looking for this. And they didn't even say in the article what it was people were typing in, but it was so disturbing that they shut it down.  Or there's some evil- Well, that, yeah, probably both. I'm sure it's both. You know, speaking of tech and some of that, do you guys see the Amazon hot air balloon? No. Oh yeah, look up Doug, the Amazon hot air balloon for drones. Oh, I've seen this. How this is gonna work. That's right, it just floats above you? Yeah, yeah.  So it'll be like a warehouse. Yeah, so originally, exactly.  But this makes more sense where, and the balloon will be able to surveillance itself too.  It's like, well, if you have this balloon that has all this surveillance on it, and it only drops it when it gets over a close vicinity to the proximity of the house. Well, now you have one in each like district or something like that. Yeah, just floating around. I think those things run pretty relatively. You got it, Doug? Well, I got some here they say are not real. That's gonna be weird, dude. They're gonna be everywhere, dude. That's gonna be so weird.  I saw a video of like a real one of those, all fake right there what you're looking at. Yeah, it looks like there's some fake ones here. Although that one on the left does look kind of like the one that I saw the video of.  I just bought something right now on Amazon. I can't remember what it was. Overnight, it'll be at my house tonight. Yeah, but there's that same day, two hours. Some Amazon Prime stuff you can get within two hours. So this is gonna be like what, 15 minutes? I mean, it's crazy, right? It's so crazy. That's wild. I know. So they're just gonna float them around basically and then just drop. It'll be like a warehouse. Yeah, I've seen some of their warehouses too where they have those robot, almost looks like the, what are those Roombas? But it has a stack of all these crates on top of it and it's just constantly moving and shifting it. And they're all on different algorithms and patterns. That's the video I saw, Doug. Oh, look at that, just flying down, just dropping. Is that real? I don't know, is it? Andrew pulled that one up. It can't be real. It looks like an AI probably generated. What a weird combination. Yeah, I'm not seeing any real ones. Yeah, we're in that sort of, by the way, you know, you can train eagles to take out drones, you guys know that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They do that for the Super Bowl. Yeah. That's not, that'll be like, it's like the future war. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have hawks and eagles. You have to say, we'd be like those Mongolian guys with the- Something less techie that someone, that they're trying, I've always wondered why we never had this and I saw in Australia they're doing this. They are testing out glow in the dark lines in the road. I've always wondered why we don't have that. Have you ever wondered that? It makes perfect sense. It makes total sense. Like we have the technology- Does it have to do with the fact, does it wear out or something? Is that why we haven't done it? I don't know why we haven't done it in the past.  Where the sun's gonna line up or charge you in the daytime. Charge it, yeah. Yeah, it seems like pretty obvious that, and how many times have you driven on a road that has no lights or something with that and you could barely see the lines on the road or it has no real lines on the road? Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, where is that? In Australia. Look up glow in the dark highways or roads in Australia. Yeah, I never understood why we never did that. I just saw an article on it that they're testing it out. Like what do you need to test out? Like it's gonna be better than, there it is right there, look at it. It's gotta be because maybe they wear out or something like that. Do you know how they used to make glow in the dark hands on watches, wristwatches? Yeah, it was just some really talk- Radium. Radium, yeah. Yeah, dude. And then the ladies that were painting them would lick the tip to fine-tune it, right? You know the paintbrushes? Yeah, they'd lick them. And then they were all getting cancer. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Oh my God, I didn't know that. Yeah, radium. Oh my God. I know, I know.  I read this, some of the people are sharing the study because they're like, see? I'm like, oh come on guys.  Soon as I read to you, but it was a study on free weights versus machines. Yeah, okay. Here is the title of the study. This was published in October of last year. So relatively new. Adaptations and athletic performance and muscle architecture, meaning I guess muscle size, are not meaningfully conditioned by training free weights versus machine-based exercises. In other words, there was no difference between the groups. Both training modalities significantly and similarly improved vertical jump. Now here's the study, are you ready for this? 34 men participated in an eight-week resistance training. I go, I got it. Already I'm throwing away. Eight weeks is not enough time to see the, you know, machines are very easy to learn and use and you can exert a lot of force on them. Free weights require more skill. The reason why free weights are in many ways, and again, a complete routine would include everything, but the reason why free weights are so great is there's such a, the results you get from them continue so long because the skill required, the balance required, the stability. There's a curve for that too. And there's benefits to the fact that you get that very quick with the machines. And so you see maybe rapid change or adaptation, but then the fall off is way quicker than if you're talking about free weights.  I know, you know, all these strength training studies are all eight, 12, 16 weeks, which doesn't tell you a whole lot of big picture. You would need, and this unfortunately is just not realistic. Like nobody would fund a study like this, but you would want to like a year, two year, three year, five year study is what you would want. And then you would get some really good answers. And you know, people listening right now, you want that because you plan on working out, right? For the rest of your life, not just for a super short period of time. Yeah, yeah. Do you see Elon Musk coming out saying, advocating for a UBI? Thought that was really interesting. Did he? Yeah. Now, is he advocating for it? Well, he- With the cut or reduction? I think he was in like, I saw the interview, he was like in Saudi Arabia or somewhere like that, maybe Dubai, I don't remember where he was at, but he was in some other country having the interview. And he was basically saying that where we're going, and I think with the innovation and stuff like that, that we're going to have to move into that, not so much that he's like, we should because it would be better, but- This is worry and concern about the loss of so many jobs in terms of everybody, yeah. And what will all these people be doing? Innovate it out, yeah. It's not the loss of jobs, it's the changing of jobs. So some jobs get lost, others will get created, but then you require new skills. Yeah, but that transition- Yeah, that's the transition. Not only that, but like, okay, so what you just said is like, it's been proven for a very long time. Forever. Forever. But we are in like kind of unprecedented time. Like, never in history did we ever have this thing like these- I mean, it's true, like, will they be able to do everything? So that's my point. Including an event? So like, your free market argument has been true forever because it's like, oh, well, you have these new jobs that we technology- There's wagon makers don't exist anymore because now people make cars. Right, and so other things opened up for them to jobs, but what if for the first time ever, like these robots, AIs, AI tools can now- Literally do everything. Do everything. It's like, maybe for the first time ever, that argument might not always hold weight anymore. You know, although I agree with you, you know, historically it just opens up more opportunities and this is just how it's always worked, but we've never been able to create something that actually goes and builds it for us now. So it's kind of an interesting time and argument that we could be on the cusp of literally having 80% of the things that we have done done by technology. Now the question is at that point, if we keep going down that rabbit hole, right? Okay, so we have artificial general intelligence. It can innovate, create, it can do everything for us. Then does that, are there gonna be rich people or poor people? Like what does that look like? If it does everything for everybody, who owns them? I don't know. Well, I think that's the argument he's making for like the universal basic income is that we'd have to come with some sort of structure that way because it's like there's no need to have to go work and earn revenue. Now, obviously that's not, this doesn't happen overnight. Like there's gonna be a gradual transition of what it looks like of us working all the time to working less and less and less. But it does feel like we're moving more and more in that direction. I mean, obviously COVID accelerated a lot of things with the 50% of people working from home. Then you have a lot of these companies that are now advocating for four-day work weeks. I mean, like it's slowly kind of moving in that direction and you see technology that's starting to come and evolve and get better and better at being able to produce all this stuff. It makes me wonder if it's gonna be here sooner than we may have thought it was gonna be here. It'll be a crisis. I think, I don't think it'll be a crisis because we don't have enough stuff. I think it'll be a crisis because people are gonna be like, well, what do I do? Yeah, where's my, where's my purpose? You know what it reminds me of? We've talked about this before. I remember watching my two best friends, dads, both had like, you know, hard labor type. One was a truck driver, the other one was backhoe and grading like, you know, hard labor jobs that they worked, they built and worked really hard most of their lives. Finally get to retirement and retired. And of course, initially like amazing, you know, go golfing, Hawaii trip, down to Mexico. I mean, they're doing, and then it's like, six months goes by and it's like depressed, you know, and don't know how anything to do. Don't want to do any of that stuff anymore. It's like, so imagine the entire world getting to retire, you know, like imagine how many people. That's scary too. It's hella scary. It's, it's, it's, and then you add in the fact of how this conversation all started where we've also lost touch of community and meeting with people. And so now you have all this free time to spend with people, but you don't really just consume more digital content and just go down the rabbit hole even more versus using that free time to connect with people in person. I mean, I don't know. Would it cause a resurgence in the, do you guys think it would, it would cause a huge influx of people seeking spiritual practices? Yeah. Probably, right? Well, already. Cause they're like, you get a sense people are looking for something difficult, you know. Trying to get their hands dirty with something. And yeah. Well, yeah, spiritual quests, you know, whatever. Like I think there's going to be a lot of like sort of journeys and epiphanies people are going to be seeing. Yeah, years ago I came up with that.  Justin, I know you do. My idea was that this was like the future and that people were like so stuck. Oh, what do we do? They're like, you know what we should do? We should create a virtual reality world that we can go in and experience challenge. And that's the one we live in now. You know what I mean? We made life so easy. We had to do this again. Yeah. You know, type of deal. That's it. That's the movie. Don't steal it from me. Someone's going to write that script now. I just know it.  So Z-Biotics, we had our, did you guys do us? I know you brought it up earlier, but did you guys do a St. Patrick's Day celebration? We didn't. We were just, we were just like my first. We had just got back in town, right? So Doug and I flew in yesterday. So it's, I, we did, we had some friends over and had some, some alcohol. We didn't have, you know, Irish alcohol. We just had mimosas. I don't know if that counts or whatever. Sorry. Just that counts. That's not really, not really St. Patrick's Day. Z-Biotics really is scary, effective. It's scary how effective it is. I don't feel like I drink. It's been nice for me because up until that point, I rarely ever drink. And I have a wife that likes to do that. Like Katrina will enjoy a drink here and there. It's actually nice to be able to enjoy that with her. And I've actually felt like, you know, oh, this is nice. Like I never would think.  Two weekends ago, I think it was two weekends ago when I was barbecuing and, you know, yelled up at her, hey, what's, can I open that rhombauer? And she's like, what?  Like I would never do that in the past. But because I feel like garbage. Yeah. Because two glasses of it would make me feel crappy. Even I'm getting drunk from it, just two glasses of it. But now, like it doesn't matter if I'm having one or two glasses or six glasses, I automatically just go to the, in the pantry and crack a Z-myotic. Did you guys bring some to when you guys went down? I know you guys went to Mexico to do. No, I didn't bring it. I didn't bring it. I didn't drink much. Yeah. You guys just went down. I only, I did drink one day, but I had the most amazing Pina Coladas, actually. Really? Mm-hmm. Did you guys do the same place we went to last time? No. Different place? Yeah. We stayed at a place called Nobu. Was that, uh, so famous for the Japanese chef? Is that how we're helping? Yeah.  Palo Alto has one, Southern California has one. Oh, yes. Yes, I've seen that. Yeah. All right. Yeah, it was cool. All right. I mean. Now you were saying that you saw, because you were in Mexico, so you're not, you're out of the US. Yeah. You were seeing a lot of people wearing. Oh, Viori. Like crazy. I mean, it's everywhere. Like just. Yeah, there was a time when, when we first, because Viori like did, for the listener that hasn't been listening for that many years, uh, we were Viori's first, uh, advertising channel, right? They hadn't done commercials, they hadn't done any ads. They weren't working with any podcasts. We were the first partnership with them. And so there was a while there where if I saw someone who was fit and they were wearing Viori, it was like. It must be a listener. Yeah. There was like a 50-50 shot that they would be a, a mind pump listener where it's definitely not that way now. I mean, they, it's become so dominant now that it, I rarely ever see a dude wearing Lulu. I'll see a dude always wearing, if you're wearing athletes, you're wearing, you're almost, almost always Viori. They've crushed that. And I was telling, we were sitting in the airport yesterday and I was making that statement to them. While I was mid-sittin' going like, it's crazy. How many people are wearing Viori? Like literally a dude walks right in front of me with Viori pants on. You know, I've been stopped by people who don't have no idea about the show, none of that stuff. And they'll stop me like, you're, you're the, you work for Viori. Cause the ads, you work for Viori. Like, I wish I was that good-looking that they picked me specifically to be an ad. Cause I was a model. To model, you know what I mean? Though I have a podcast. That's the whole deal. You know what's cool though, speaking of Viori models and stuff that, I do think it's neat that one of the guys who we hired to do one of our programs years ago, I think we hired him for our hit program first, which we did years and years ago, has become a regular model for Viori now. So they, they got him from us. Viori is in tonal. He got a tonal. Yeah, that's right, he got tonal also. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was, I thought that was really interesting. Dude, that's okay. This is what I just ordered on Amazon. I just remembered, cause I have a note up here that I'm going to try something. I haven't tried it yet, so I can't vouch for it. But have you guys, okay, so you know those old, I don't know what you would call them. Like those Indian gurus will lay on like a bed of nails or whatever you've seen that stuff before. So they make these mats, they're, they're acupressure mats and they have spikes on them. Okay. I've seen them. You've seen them. Okay. So I don't know. It popped up in one of my ads and I started to read reviews about it. Now there's like little plastic. Extreme yoga with it? Huh? Is that what that's for? What? No, you lay them on your bed and you sleep on them. No, no, no, no, you don't sleep on it. So this one, you lay on it. It's these little sharp spikes on it and there's different levels. So I got the low level because I'm like, I don't know what it's gonna be like. You lay on it and apparently it relieves. You're hella present. It relieves.  It's magical, it makes you super present. Hey, you know what? I was thinking about this too. Look at these mats. So zoom in on the spikes. So first off, I thought about this.  Of course. Look at these little spikes. Okay, so I read the reviews and people are like, there's no affiliation by the way. We're not sponsored by any company. They're like, oh, it's really uncomfortable if you can get through the first minute or two, then you get incredible relaxation and anxiety relief. Apparently it's really good for stress relief and anxiety. So don't you think this is the same mechanism that like to shut the CNS off as cold plunge does or? Correct, that's my idea. Yeah, that's my thought. It's got to be the same. It's the same thing to the vibrating plates. Yeah. It's all about to just distract the signal. I don't know if it's like a vibrating plate.  Yeah, I think it'd be more like cold plunge. It'd be more like cold plunge. Yes, yes. You're getting trigger points in different directions, which is diverting the signal. I mean, yeah, maybe, right? I'll let you guys know what it's like. But the models and the pictures look like they're having a good time. She looks comfortable. No, the comments are like people are like, oh, this is intense. What even led you to this? Were you talking to someone? No, I got hit with an ad. I wonder. Yeah, I got hit with an ad and I thought, this might be interesting. Lay on it for 10 minutes. Maybe read while you're on it. But apparently, there was one comment I read where the guy's like, make sure you watch the video on how to adjust yourself on it. Don't smash your crotch on it. Okay, so are you connecting? Obviously, this is like to bring down stress, anxiety, that type of deal. Just make yourself present really as well. Okay, is that what it is? Yeah, yeah. So I feel like I can't not be present. Well, this one's on kind of like the same level of smart, I guess, like stupidity. So I saw this video for football on ice, which is a thing, like an actual thing in like an arena. That's how people are watching. And I was like, oh my God, do they have ice skates, like hockey, but they're playing football?  Why? It is the stupidest. It is so dangerous.  Right onto the ice, like in, like if you land, like talk about, they're obviously helmet. Potential helmet. Yeah, they got helmets. You know what? I bet it's safer than regular football. Yeah. I mean, you don't get as much. You're not gonna hit them as hard. Yeah, you're not gonna get as much ground. And your feet aren't gonna get bad. Imagine the whiplash of the head on ice.  Yeah. And they can't really stop and control their cuts and everything. I feel like, and you can't wait until the forces you produce are gonna be nil. Yes, I think you're not gonna hit them as hard. American ice football. I didn't even know this was gonna happen. And your feet can't plan. Stupid, dude. Show me a video of that once you hit it. It's like, it literally looks like what you would think, like this is ridiculous. When people are on recess and they're like on ice and they're just trying to run, they're like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Yeah. They're into each other. It's probably, it probably is safer if you think about it. I mean, you might be right. How many injuries happen in football because your cleats get stuck to the ground and you try to cut or turn or hit? Most, yeah. A lot, right? Yeah, well, most ligament injuries. Yeah, especially with turf, right? Isn't that what turf is? That's the big problem, yeah. If we went back to regular turf, it'd solve a lot of problems. Yeah, so I feel like this is kinda, this might be safer. Is it not pulling up, Doug? I kinda wanted to see.   Like, I would have like seven on seven with ice skates and then you could like, you know, have like moving starts and like play almost like arena football, but like. It's kinda going backwards with like the evolutionists. Most sports, the way they evolve is higher velocity, higher scoring. Like, so doing something that makes it more difficult to do all those things seems kinda backwards. Like everything else, every other game, football, basketball has evolved. Like, look how slow and. I like it. Look at this dude. Nobody's even close to it. He's just like, like how do you play deep? There's like no defense in this game. No.  Yeah, nobody gets hurt doing this. It's dumb.  Okay, where does the money come from to support a league like that? I don't know, dude. Like, is there, there's that many people that are watching that that you can actually, or it's like all bunch of people on their free time, there is, you can find almost any sport you can imagine right now. Okay, I showed you guys once, the arm wrestling one where they punch each other. You saw that one? Yeah. I like the one where they're in the car together and then, you know. Yeah. And they're in a seatbelt. They have a seatbelt. I do the seatbelt with you. I do the seatbelt with you. I like that one. I like that one too. Oh, it's hilarious. In Russia, they have fights with people wearing full armor.  And they hit each other. Then they have MMA fights where it's like a woman versus two dwarves or something like that. And they have boxes where you can like climb up boxes and jump off and attack people. Yeah, dude. It's like, what? This is all people thought of it. That's a great question, Adam. Who funded that? Yeah. Maybe that's what we're gonna do to the jobs. You know, we'll just figure out. Fund your sports. Ridiculous sports to just get into.  I'll be back, honey. Where you going? Ice golf.  Do you guys see that video of there? There was this pro. What country is she from? New Zealand. She's a female golfer pro.  Oh, I saw that. Did you see this? And she was videotaping herself. And she's like working on her swing or I don't know what she was doing.  She's giving her golf tips. Our swing. And she's a pro. She's a pro.  No, no, no, no.  Like this happened right there. And he just keeps telling her and she's looking at the camera like. She handled it really well. Yeah. And so then she wallops one. Right? What does the guy say? See, I told you. Like he's advising me to do that the whole time. Oh, God.  What you're doing there, you shouldn't be doing that. You should be right through, swing and follow through. Not, you're doing too slow on the way up. I'm going through a swing change up in the minute. So, everything on the way. What you're doing there is you're coming back too slow. You know, I've been playing golf 20 years. What you need to do is follow the through. I look quicker than what you're doing there right now. Represent. I'm sucked into that show right now. That full swing has got me going. The series on that, it's really interesting right now. I'm not even like I don't follow golf at all, but I've done such a good job on that show. It's really interesting. Everything. What is it? Go ahead. No, it's the, it's on the second season and it's kind of like what they did with the F1 racing Netflix did. Oh. Where they follow the season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're doing the same thing in golf. Like they picked a handful, like maybe, I don't know, there's probably 10 of them that they're following of some of the top golfers in the world. And they follow them and made a Netflix drama series around it. And it's just, it's so brilliant because if you're not really into the sport, it's such a great way to introduce you. Like I feel like me watching one season of that, I have a really good grasp of like what's going on in the golf world now. Like, which is so cool. Like that I could sit and watch one series and then feel. Are these documentaries or series, are they funded by the PGA or anything like that? No, Netflix pays for them. Oh, interesting. These golfers get paid by Netflix for that stuff. Oh, wow. And right now there's, and part of why it's interesting to me right now is because of all the competing golf league. I can't think of the top of my name. Liv? Yeah, Liv, thank you. Is that the one where they were offered? Saudi Arabia. Is that one doing well? Well, I mean, they merged recently. So there's all kinds of drama going on.  And a handful of them did.  It's getting asterisked on all your records. Yeah, right. So it was like, and then of course the guy, and then there was guys that actually turned down the money because they were just like, this is about legacy and the PGA's been around forever and you know, I'm gonna stay here type of deal. And so there became this like, you know, those guys over there, us over here. And then they came out with this thing where they allowed them to play in a tournament where they actually competed against each other.  Yeah, they're not, yeah, they're not really passionate anymore. They were just in it for the money and one of the guys actually won. And so that caused even more.  And they actually merged the companies and the people. So now you have these guys who passed up on all this money that got fucked.  So there's all kinds of like, yeah, no, it's like super. And I don't know, at least to my knowledge, there's never been something like this in any other sport.  Yeah, like the drama that would be around the NFL and so at that. Dude, speaking of legacy, have you guys seen the training videos of Tyson? He's been putting them out.  Have you seen the latest? So what do you guys think? What do you, what's your thoughts? You know, I still, he's still 58, but wow, I wouldn't want to fight him. I mean, he moves. Yeah, explicitly still terrifying. So here's, here's what's interesting to me is for Jake Paul, this is a lose, lose no matter what. Yeah, if he knocks out a 58 year old, everyone's gonna be like you. Yeah, you beat up an old guy.    You know, so it's like, it's. I kind of feel like that's his best case scenario only because if he loses the Tyson, he loses the Tyson. Yeah. You know, he needs to get a loss in to draw more people. I feel at this point, I don't know. To me, yeah, it isn't very like. I went on a Tyson win-win video spree. Watching all this old stuff. Oh God. That is just, you know, some people are just anomalies. That guy was terrifying. 58 though. I can't believe he moves like that at 58. I don't care if he doesn't have the same stamina or whatever. The way he moves is just doesn't. So what's, I heard that the rules or whatever for this leaked, did you guys read it? It wasn't real, it wasn't true.   There was all kinds of like rumors on what was gonna happen. And so far from what I heard, none of that is true. It's gonna be like a normal boxing match for as far as I know. I'm most interested in the, how they're getting paid because it's supposed to stream for free on Netflix, which means they must, Netflix must have paid. They gotta add a pocketage to them. Yeah, somehow. And that, to me, that's the only way this makes sense if I'm Jake Paul is if this is my, my walkoff. Like if you're done. Yeah, I'm done. Like I made my run of boxing. I made more money than most boxers will ever make in their life boxing and I was a no, but no name boxer. Look what I did. I got to exit out by boxing, Mike Tyson, winter loose, whatever with one of the biggest paydays probably ever in history and he walks away from it. Like to me, that, that makes the most sense. Like if he does that, well, I'm like, okay, that's a, that's a way to go out. You know what I'm saying? And be done with it, done with the sport. Well, then his brother went on to like WWE, right? I thought that was a good move. Yeah. That's what I mean. And he moves on to something different now. And this was his, this was his little run in boxing. Speaking of like MMA and fighting and all that, did you see that Conor McGregor was the, his debut in the movie that he just did, Road House was the highest paid like action for like, so Sylvester Stallone, Arnold, so all those, like he got paid more to do that for his first acting debut than any actor previously before that. You mean the highest paid debut? Yes, debut, debut. Do you know what the pay was? Yeah, it was like four million or something like that. That's not bad at all. Yeah, for your first acting debut. Just to walk in and shove. Yeah, for your, for your first one. So he has the record for that. He has a boxing record debut and he has the MMA debut. So for all three, so MMA, boxing and now acting. He's a brilliant self-promoter. So good, so good. Not impressive. So is this a remake of the original Road House? I think it is. With Patrick Swayze, right? That's what I've heard. It looks like it has a little bit of a different storyline, but I think it is based off of it. I never watched the original one. What? It's a classic. Really? Yeah, dude, Patrick Swayze, like after ghost and like dirty dancing, I don't watch him fight. I think he did Road House first. Ghost came later, bro. Ghost came later, but not dirty dancing came out first. Yeah, dirty dancing might be first. I was a kid when it came out, so I'm like, I don't want to watch that dirty dancing guy fight. Well, I mean, he has a bit of dance moves in his punching, which is... Does he really? You can tell he's got a dance background. It's good. It's good, though. I liked Road House, Road House. I liked him in The Outsiders. He had a great... He was a great character in The Outsiders. I thought Road House was good. He's a classic, dude. I watched it not that long ago. Was there a baby called... So, it Conor McGregor's in the new Road House that they're doing, right? Yeah, so, does he play Dalton? Is he Dalton? Is it actually the same character's names and everything? Yeah, Dalton. How many times have you seen Road House, Adam? I own it. I have it. Oh, wow. No, he's played Knox. Do you know who Knox is? Oh, so that's not... So, he's not Patrick Swayze in this. I don't know who... Let's see. Oh, so, Gillan Hall plays Dalton. Oh, he's the main actor. So, is he what's the guy from Tombstone? I don't know. This was one of your favorite movies of all time. Oh, right, with the handlebar mustache. Yes, yes, the older guy. Yeah, maybe that's him. Oh, okay. So, it is. It totally is based off of that. Wow. Yeah, I don't know if this is my favorite movie ever, but it's a classic. It's a top 10 for you. It's a good 80s, right? Love of Traction. It's an 80s flick, isn't it? Love of Traction, here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a fun one, dude. It's a classic. Yeah, no, it's up there, for sure. Hey, we have the Park City House up here. Do we have openings finally? Because people are messaging. We do now. I think we just came off a run where it was pretty booked up, but I do think there is some openings coming this month right now. So, and I believe this is... I think we're finally getting some stuff done with the website and the videos of that place because right now there's like... Yeah, people don't know. This is a place right there, Park City, Utah. In there, it's outfitted with all the stuff we talk about. Red Light Therapy, sleep systems on the beds. It's got a gym in the garage, cold dips, sauna. What else is there? Steam, movie theater. Movie theater. And then, of course, you're around incredible outdoor activity stuff in that area, both winter and summer.  And so, you could go check it out. It's our place. It's Mime Pump Experience. What's a website, Doug? MimePumpParkCity.com. Yeah, go check it out. 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So 37-year-old, 6-foot tall, about 240. The main reason I was calling is that in 2023, I re-injured myself. And so I used starter in two different versions of resistance to build myself up before finishing the year with anabolic and started out this year running performance with the intention to run aesthetic and finish out the Archive Bundle. Then you guys went and dropped performance advance. I'm also a volunteer firefighter. And so now I'm born. Do I go with my original plan, run aesthetic, or do I go for performance advance? Performance advance. Yeah. No question. Yeah. Especially someone with your experience of training. I know you followed our programs and what you said about being a volunteer firefighter. I mean, you'll move better. And the stuff in performance advance is very unique in comparison to our other programs. Like what you're going to get out of that program, you won't get out of any other program. You see that Sal? I love that you've actually organized this for us so we can see the order that you've ran everything here. This is cool. Yeah, I know. Cardio suspension, athlete, but builder, kettlebell. No, you're set. Yeah, yeah. That'll be the way to go. Especially with the power training in there and just some of the skills type training. Have you gone through the program and looked at the skills training to see which direction you want to go? I have, and I'm looking at doing rotation. Awesome. Because it's so much on the fire scene that is unilateral whether you're pulling with a pike pole or you're controlling the hose line that's trying to turn you. So rotational control seems like the most advantageous. If I run it again, it would probably be gripped after that. Yeah, that's great. I see you haven't ran map strong yet. Have you, have you ran that yet? I have not. Strong is on my bucket list of programs I would love to run because I remember you guys talking about how great it is for posture or change. And I've got history of back problems. So that's definitely on my list. Do you have it? Can I send it to you? I do not. Okay, let's send that over to you. I think that's a great, great one to add to your question. I love to see how you respond with the rotation stuff, especially for if you have previous back issues to reinforce, you know, stability and strength there for you. I think it's going to be huge. Yeah. And then do you have performance advance or should we send that to you too as well, Lindsay? I bought it with actually before it even went live. I got the email before you guys posted it was live and had it purchased. All right. Awesome. We'll take care of you on strong then. Yeah, we got you strong. Run strong after you do the performance advance and that'll be a great one. For sure. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it guys. All right, Lindsay. You got it. Great to see you. Have a great day. Thank you. Good setup. Yeah, yeah. Good setup of program. I love that she had it all mapped out like that too. That was really cool. Yeah, I wanted to ask her, I should ask her what her lifts look like and stuff. I didn't realize she was six foot. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah.  So I've definitely communicated with her a bunch of times on Instagram had no idea that she was six foot. Yeah. What are the, when you do, do you guys have any idea what the qualifications are for volunteer firefighter? You still have to go through training and do the whole deal, right? Yeah. I have no idea. Yeah. I would assume so. I don't know. I know my dad way back in the day, like tried to get in with San Jose and also down in LA, but like he had some kind of, it was like a scoliosis or a curve in it. So they dismissed it. Wow. Yeah. And then there was one that did a wildfire. They would, they, they for a while they were, they would go and volunteer for that. You ever hear about what that looks like? Oh, it's crazy. Oh, it's like you're out there digging and just tearing things up and trying to create. It's crazy, but I would rather be a wildfire than like just a regular firefighter, because a regular firefighter, especially like in the city, they take a lot of car accidents and stuff. People being decapitated. Like you get more of that type of stuff. A lot of carnage. Yeah. That I wouldn't be, but it's like a complete basic fire and EMS training is what it says. Okay. Yeah. Good stuff. Our next caller is Lauren from Canada. Hi, Lauren. How can we help you? Hi. Hi. I just want to say I'm so excited to be here. Thank you. Us too. I've been following you guys since like 2020 by recommendation by like another trainer. So it's pretty cool that I'm here today. Awesome. How can we help you? I was wondering if you were a kid offer any recommendations in terms of like what training protocols I should follow. Um, in the week I work as a massage therapist and on the side, I stand a lot. So. And I step down for a long periods of time because I'm a DJ on the weekend. Awesome. Nice. Um, sometimes I notice lower back pain at the end of a work day. So I like to try to get back in shape and then be able to sustain the work demands. Okay. Um, how long have you been doing massage therapy? About two years. Okay. So kind of new. And then have you noticed any fatigue or pain in your wrist, hands, elbows, shoulders, kind of the common areas that massage therapists will notice issues. Um, more so fatigue, but not. I think I know how to manage it now. Okay. Good. Okay. I think most important is going to be moving in different planes and hip stuff, like for hip mobility, just standing in the same position for long, long periods of time. Like Katrina was a massage therapist when we first met. So this was an area that like we, like I really focused with her because she would lift. And then most of her lifts were, you know, in the sagittal plane, real basic type of training and she just needed to move in different planes. And so I think like a maps performance would be the direction that I would take her and maybe in the map symmetry, like those two would probably be both. Those will both be ideal for both things that you're talking about. Um, you know, core stability and strength is going to be important to reduce that back pain. And it's really about the balance of strength between the muscles in the front of the core, the side of the core and those internal core muscles. Subdominal abs, obliques. You're going to want to make sure those are strong to support, um, your, your stability as you're standing. Otherwise you will start to feel fatigue in the low back. And it's typically coming from either the erector spinae muscles of the low back. So those are the muscles that follow the sides of the spine and or the hip flexor muscles that attach at the spine, like the psoas. And what those do is they kind of keep you upright. And when they fatigue, you'll kind of feel this tightness across the low back. And so strengthening the supporting muscles help. Um, but symmetry and performance both have great core components. And then for massage therapy, and I'm sure you already know this besides technique, right? So I worked with a, an exceptional massage therapist and she would train other therapists and she would talk a lot about technique and how to position your body. A lot of people don't notice, but it's a very fatiguing, uh, type of work.   Uh, so that's number one, but number two, like strengthening the hands through full ranges of motion, the wrists, core stability. And then what Adam said, uh, with the hips, I think both of those programs would be perfect. Oh yeah. Emphasis on rotation, other planes for sure. Strengthening that so it supports your spine, your core, uh, and work on, you know, the posterior chain as well, being so forward all day long and putting a lot of emphasis in that to, to sort of counter that and build that support, um, you know, in opposition is going to be huge. But yeah, those programs would be perfect for that. And then I think there's nothing wrong with doing other programs that we have. I think, uh, anabolic would be great, aesthetic. All those other programs are good as long as you just remember to cycle back through something like performance and symmetry. So someone like you that's in that positional time, I think should make sure that you're hitting performance at least once or twice a year because of what you're doing. Lauren, what does your workout look like now? Uh, it's kind of like once or twice a week and then maybe I'll just go biking once a week as well. Okay. Yeah, that's, that works perfect. Yeah. Just, just pick one of the performance days or two depending on what you train. Yeah. So when you get performance, there's going to be foundational workouts. You could pick one or two of them. So if you do a two, that's fine. And then the mobility sessions are going to be so great for you. Yes. Yeah. Don't skip those. Yeah. And I would do those on the days that you massage.  So just make that a part of your, your routine at least a couple of times a week. How many people do you work on when you're doing a massage in a day? Minimum four up to six. Wow. That's a lot. Yeah, it is a lot. Do you have a break in between them or is it back to back? For six, I put a break in. But for four, I just go back to back. If you have a break, take those mobility sessions from performance, pick a couple of movements in there that feel really good and do them in between to prevent, because what happens when you start to fatigue is the CNS starts to try to increase stability by keeping some muscles tight. But over time, they start to feel fatigued and pain. And so mobility just tells the CNS it could chill out a little bit, could relax. We can move through these ranges of motion and it can really remedy some of those kind of overuse fatigue based injuries that we get from doing the same thing over and over again. Even if it's just one or two movements that you pick to interrupt between these sessions, it would be great.  So like a, like a guess for me would be like 90 90s or lizard with rotation is probably going to feel really good for you after standing still like that. And so if you notice that as you go through these mobility workouts and exercises that we've implemented in there and you recognize that, oh wow, when I do this one, it just, I feel so much better. It opens me up. I notice I don't have the pain when I do it. Make that a part of your lifestyle as much as you can because something like that, it's not like you have to do it at a certain time. You can do as much of that as we can, especially when you notice it's giving you relief. So find what those couple movements are that you really love and just make it a practice and part of your life. Yeah. Do you have maps, performance or symmetry? I think I have performance. Okay. We'll send you symmetry there. So you'll have, you'll have both of them. Thank you. All right. No problem. All right, Lauren. May I ask a question? Of course. Yep. You were talking about, I think about hand strength or wrist or hand strength. Are you talking about like doing more carries or? No. So that's part of the hand strength. But what you want for, what you do is you want to be able to move through lots of different ranges of motion and articulate your fingers so that you don't start to develop because what tends to be common is people will start to develop elbow pain at the insertions of where they're forearm flexors and extenders are. So a really good thing you can do, a really good movement you can do, and this is for anybody, is you can get yourself a bucket. You can fill it with rice.  You rotate your wrist and just through the resistance of the rice. Squeeze the rice and make a fist. Yeah, move your hand through all the ranges of motion you can think of. And then when you feel fatigued, you stop. That's a great way to strengthen and reinforce and prevent some of those overuse injuries. Okay. That sounds cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's really easy. Yeah. May I also ask how did Katrina manage being a massage service?  So her family started the first school over here in the Bay Area.  One of the things that she always would teach or talk to me about because I was always fascinated like, how could you go hours and not get fatigued when I could barely rub you for an hour and feel like I'm done. And she just taught, she would always talk to me about the importance of leverage is knowing how to leverage your body and position it. And there's just a real skill and art to that. Yeah. The more experienced you are, the more you know how to use like your body weight and angles versus like trying to muscle your way through massaging, which is what all of us, you know, non-massage people do. Like when I go to massage someone, I think I'm doing it all in my hands. And really it's amazing to me how she can just position her elbow or the, you know, the hard part of her hand or palm and just kind of lean into me and just give me the pressure to give me that relief but without even feeling like she's working. And so, yeah, I think there's an art and skill to that. And as you continue to do it, you'll get better and better at that you know, maybe learning from somebody who you are around that has that skill on how to do that. I don't, you know what I'm saying, like, but I know for sure she's got that because I have no idea how you guys can do that for six plus hours in a day and be okay. So it's a lot. Yeah. So good biomechanics. Yes. Yep. Okay. Thank you. All right, Lauren. Thanks for calling in. Thank you. Okay. Take care. You got it. All right. People don't really, if you think about it makes sense, right? I didn't know how physically challenging on the body massage is if you're a massage therapist, like their injury rate is through the roof. If they don't learn incredible technique, like you really got to learn like incredible technique and leverage. Otherwise you're just the same thing. I'll run my wife's shoulders. Yeah. And after 30 minutes, I'm like, you're done. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. And you know, some of the best ones at it have the ability to apply those pressure, the pressure that's needed to give that client the relief without a lot of, you know, physical labor on their part. That's right. Yeah. Our next caller is Gage from South Carolina. Gage, what's happening? What's going on, man? How can we help you? What's up, dude? Hey guys. Nice to see you again. I just want to say I met you at the Olympia. It was a pleasure to meet y'all a couple of months back. You actually had my girlfriend on a couple of weeks ago about asking about a running question. So we really love your content. She introduced me a couple of years ago. I just want to say thank you for everything y'all do. But first off, I'll just get right into it. So I'm a competitive arm wrestler. I competed at a professional level. And right now my training consists of rotating maps anabolic and maps aesthetic and on your trigger and focus session days.  And I had back groups and stuff like that. And I was wondering if y'all could help me figure something out. I see a lot of high level top top guys doing quote unquote arm wrestling lifts such as like heavy one arm, you know, dumbbell curls. But it's like a short range of motion or like heavy cheek curls or something like that. And I was wondering if you saw any, you know, benefit to doing a shorter range of motion, but like really heavy stuff and something like that. And then my second part of the question was, do you guys see any benefit from me running performance and strong or something like that? Yeah. Yes. I think so. Short and range of motion exercises, strength training exercises have a lot of value. When it comes to sport specific applications. So for example, you see like high level basketball players. Now we're not talking about kids growing up where you're trying to train and develop the whole body. You know, I'm talking about at this point college, you've been training for a while, you know, half squats and quarter squats have a lot of carry over than more so than like full squats, for example. So yeah, absolutely.  So heavy isometric training in that arm wrestling position or short and range of motion. You know, kind of preach your curls with the dumbbell or preach your hammer curls with the dumbbell is excellent for what we're trying to do. Now what you don't want to do is add that volume to the current volume you're doing. You want to make sure that you, you account for the extra volume of adding those exercises so that you don't just over train, over train your body. So that's the one thing I would, I would consider. Yeah. When doing that. And by the way, you mentioned other programs. I'll tell you a program that I think that you would love that would have a lot of carry over, believe it or not, would be old time. I was thinking the same thing. Old time strength. You, you'll develop incredible grip, arm strength and shoulder stability and shoulder stability. Yeah, dude. I mean, that's, it's funny we had our, one of our editors follow the program and a strong kid and up into that point, he was unable to pull 500 pounds off the floor without using wrist straps, followed strong when back to doing a deadlift. And he's like, I pulled it off the ground with no problem. My hands were able to hold on. Just the single arm deadlifts and then, you know, overhead with the barbell holds and things like that. It's going to challenge a lot. You mean old timey, right? Old timey. Yeah. Old time strength. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Old timey is what I was thinking too. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. I must be behind because I'm only on episode like probably, I think it's like I'm a little behind you. So I haven't heard about that program yet. It's cool. Yeah.  We'll send it over to you. Yeah. Yeah. You'll be set with that. But I love Gage. I'll tell you what, I love isometrics for arm wrestlers.  Like if you can hold your position and maintain, you know that and not give up leverage. It's going to, it's going to put you into the category and isometrics training is excellent. And the beauty of isometrics training is it doesn't really hammer your body as much as full range of motion training. So you could practice heavy isometrics even on off days.  One of the exercises you may find in old time that I think would be amazing is a bottoms up kettlebell hold. Yeah. Just because too, now you have like that weight that's like pulling the right. And you have to be able to stabilize an isometric position. And then two, you can press it, which challenges it even further, but go real heavy with that. Man, that's going to be something else. Yeah. Totally. No, that sounds like some awesome stuff. Thank you guys. I had no idea. So you said I could like how many days of training is that program specifically? Is it two or three days? Old time is three days. Yeah. The whole thing is three days a week. It's a long program. Yeah. So yeah, we kind of like, yeah, you develop a lot of skill with unconventional lifts. You're building, it's programming based off of the bronze era strength athletes like Eugene Sandow, for example. So you're going to do stuff in there you've never done before, but for the kind of strength that you need for your sport, I mean, it's the most arm wrestling workout program that we have. Oh, yeah. Okay. And then there's no isometrics. You can add into the off days. Right. You can, you can add that on the off days. Of course, be careful with the volume. Yeah. But I like isometrics on off days. Absolutely. That's the only, that's the only thing that I was going to add in caution. You just, just be careful not to add too much volume to where we go the opposite direction. And that's going to be based on how you feel. So if you, if the works, the workouts, the foundational things are pretty taxing, be careful on how much you might be better off finding an exercise or two inside the program and pulling it out and then replacing it with some isometric exercise in there, but really have to go after you feel, are you in our forum? I'm actually not in the forum. So let me, let me have Doug put you in our forum also. And then as you're going through the program, I'd love to hear your feedback. I'd love to hear how it's going. And then we could, we can add, take away things as you're going through. So just keep us posted. Check in with us. I don't know. Once a month as you're going through the program and the guys and I'll take a look at how things are going. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, man. I just want to say I got a competition out in Las Vegas this weekend. So after I get done with that, I will start that program and get ready for my next event. All right, man. Good luck. Good luck to you, dude. Thank you. I appreciate y'all. Thank you. Good one.  I love it. I think it's, it's so awesome. You know, could you see, I'm trying to, I was trying to figure out how I would like do some like cool isometric stuff, like taking like a cable, like a free motion, like really, really heavy and then holding in that position or even doing a really heavy band. Yeah. That you're grabbing. Yeah.    That's a really, really good. You see a lot of arm wrestlers do, really pack it in. Yeah. You see a lot of arm wrestlers do movements like that where they're just supporting away for, you know, X amount of period of time. But you'll see these, like I said, I watch these reels and their isometric strength is, it's unreal. Oh yeah, like they'll go against some and the guys just pulling on and pulling on them, they'll just hold that position. And they feel the other person fatigued and they'll, they'll go for their movement. I've actually never trained a client that, that did this profession. I'm trying to think of some of the stuff right now to be creative. What are some like internal, like I would think that explosive internal rotation would be something that would be valuable to them. Or is it more of a grind? You want a minute, you actually want to minimize a humoral rotation.   You want to leverage your body to link it all the way. You do want that, but it's the body that's moving. Got to get the lat early in there. In the shoulder and everything moves with the hand ideally. The further your hand gets away from your body, the more you're screwed. And you're not trying to beat someone like with internal rotation like that. There's no leverage there. You want to stay tight. Torso. Yeah, you want to stay tight and move. Okay, interesting. So yeah, I know, see, I'd be all bad there. I'd be trying to do so well. That's why I got slaughtered when I did that before I realized that. My arm was too far out. Yeah, and then you see this is like, a lot of these like just massive hands. Yeah. Just genetically. Yeah. Try to grab their hands. Knock you out. Yeah, just the leverage is insane. Look, if you like mind pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com. Check out our hard gainer guide. We have a guide for hard gainers. It'll help you pack on muscle. It's at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find us on social media. Justin is that on Instagram at mind pump Justin. I'm on Instagram at mind pump to Stefano and Adam is on Instagram at mind pump Adam.


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