I just pulled it. So thankfully it's a fresh one. No, no I was just making sure we didn't have like a bunch of clutter and so enjoy hang on hang on and then Nick new member and sub orbital Yeah, which is actually hang on Nick has actually been a member for five months. This is a yeah No, this is the system does not work that well when it comes to figuring out what but I like the little gleam I'm the new member thing. That's kind of nice shiny and for anyone who does become a new member Like then we can bring it up in the show. I think that's really cool So Did you who wants to start like Ryan you had a fun day today? Did you want it? Did you want to go first? I? Had a fun day today, but I can't anymore because April 2nd So all my fun is ruined That's a good to be a hundred percent serious. No no trickery at all. I have to Be professional and tell the truth, which is Horrible be professional Have you met us to risk? So the reason I bring it up a second Philip in the chat room was talking about raptor and which was your April 1st You I first I absolutely loved and adored your April 1st video I thought you we were talking about this in pre-show a little bit, but I thought you did just such a fantastic job of Going from like quasi believe like Elon being like we're gonna go nuclear on Starship I feel like that's in his wheelhouse, right? That's something like certainly Regulatory Near impossible right, but it seems like something he would say doesn't it it's in his brain definite All right. Yeah, right you feel like that's bounced around somewhere.  Yeah, hitting the dome is great. You had the little the the role CGI systems failed Absolutely Jeff on making that That was brilliant I was making that in so I sat up here and spent like at least 40 minutes making that in after effects And then my dad came in he was like what you're doing and I didn't want to spoil the video for him So I'm like you'll find out later We were both adamant and I wouldn't tell him and then he thought it was quite funny when he found it. So yeah Yeah, all right, so We're still in April 1st over here, but I'm not I you know, I had a long day I I've been at work for I'm wearing the green dress because Launch day right. I basically came from launch straight here. I think we you were a little busy Earlier today. I was a little bitty. Just a little bit busy So, yeah, I forgot to hit the CGI space bar. Oh That's in reference to if you watch the state Elon update and you saw that moment where the PowerPoint jumped all the way to the end And I went bong with that Windows noise. That was my my fault. I accidentally leaned on the presentation space bar And so the presentation will lift to the end and then you saw in record time Me moving to the backup deck.  I'll all in a very quick time. Oh, yeah, exactly exactly pretty well So, uh, jaren, how about you? What were you excited about this week? Well, I'm just getting excited about The space launch system with the wet dress rehearsal finally happening this weekend Although it sounds like we're just gonna well actually it doesn't sound like anything. We're just gonna be watching it It's still April 1st. Yes still April 1st I mean, they're still working on stuff now getting you know going through the count and everything like they would regularly with it You know just like how a space shuttle countdown starts days ahead before. Oh, we're doing it that way again Yeah, that's how we're doing things again. We're pausing the clock. We're gonna have to explain to people in L minus versus T minus clock Yeah, but it was also a little bummed to hear that we're not gonna get like any of the loops or anything Any of the audio loops, so we're just gonna we're just gonna see it.  No, not at all. No, no, they said it's because of export controls They don't want people to know how to make ICBMs Using fragile the Soviets copied space shuttle and made be right and imagine if they made a better version of SLS Can't can't be doing that Wait, how okay? I I Shenanigans, I mean, I'm officially declaring shenanigans on that excuse, you know, it's great. Everyone did move the internet Okay, yeah, that's something else so it would cost them another billion A billion dollars and five years to get a countdown. Does anyone have any idea as to like why like what's the real reason here? Well theories I Mean do we even want to theorize about something like that? Is that just something it's it's so if it were a private company like ula spacex blue origin virgin galactic I actually kind of get it right because it goes towards public image and Also taxpayers don't pay for that. I say that happens to falcon when spacex does a falcon nine wet dress with static fire You don't hear you don't just really only confirmation through Twitter on it You don't hear net or anything like that with it when you only get the countdown loop for the launch, you know Actually, yeah, hang on that that is a fair point. Yeah, are they broadcasting the wet dress? They're live streaming it for video, but they're just not providing the Audio net for you know, maybe it's not fair of me to actually be like I don't understand why we're not getting this when in reality This is a test like who else provides anything for a wet dress Yeah, but it is NASA so it should be that is the other point That's the flip side of that argument is it's our tax dollar will not yours, but it's our tax Paying for this wet. Well, it's not this is mine. It's yours. It's his Not as much yours. I don't care. I don't care This conversation doesn't involve you Ryan earmuffs that the microphones would cost one million dollars each Oh, that's yeah, I paid for the service module actually so Are they what they're asking the service module? I'm with the red with the wet dress in the whole module. Yeah, the whole rocket. You've got a horse in this race I don't understand what your business not very not very big horse, but it's important You're not really getting anywhere We don't learn rockets without payloads. Well, I'm actually the paygoats would be the people though I know it does know as this is on crude. I'm happy that at least they're wet-dressing this though like broadcasting the wet-dress itself At least we get that. Yeah. Yeah, well, but it's it's silly to not have people explaining what's going on through Maybe like the countdown that is the is the is the simplest way that you can get a frame of reference of what's going on To coordinate with what what you see happening in the video Okay, yes, I don't disagree and certainly as space nerds as all space nerds watching We would all love countdown that or whatever their their equivalent version is However, if you're not a space nerd and you don't know what they're saying Does it actually provide context or can it work against NASA? Right if they start because no They're going to run in they're going to run into issues It's their first time the wet-dressing this thing on the truth and the facts can never run again never run against you false Right like if they if they run if they run into problems and you don't know that they run into problems That's very from a PR standpoint That's very different than if you hear them having the problems on on countdown that but they have publicly available data That says what the problems are and it just needs to be explained so that perception is repaired. Yeah, but you yeah, I think that is a Naive way of looking at it to be my right. I'm not you okay I just don't think that's how the world works right like once you've got the PR problem You've got the PR problem whether or not it was really an issue or not I think for those of us who come from a bit more of an engineering background and more understanding how the process works It would make sense or something like that But for someone who maybe isn't as engineering oriented or doesn't or isn't as knowledgeable about things Finding out that there's problems and that they're having to troubleshoot problems and things like that. It probably Probably makes a person Think less of the ability of someone in or an agency or a group if if they do it that way So and maybe not understanding like the engineers we all understand that this is a test mission Yes, this is it not only is this a test mission the wet dress is a test inside of a test, right? Yes, it's inception testing Yes, think about how much easier the lives would be if the PR people at SpaceX if when the grasshopper was destroyed by Russian fighters They had countdown nets to be able to explain what was going on Yeah, when the The No, no, not how that works. Not how that works. I would go ahead There we have we have we talked about I'm just I was I was surprised I just assumed that they would have count on that. Let's just say who's gonna explain how the ULA sniper got so close Inside jokes for the win. What else you definitely what else you got? Um, well, you know just continuing to watch James Webb as well and just everything is like steady as she goes with that and How's it doing? Oh, it's doing great So they're starting to cool down more instruments now now. We're really starting to get cold With it, you know, we were you're like, you know minus 250 Yeah, you know somewhere around there and now we're like really getting into the cold bits Oh, so wasn't minus 250 isn't cold. No, it's not cold enough. Hmm. What are we down to now? I'm not sure actually. I haven't checked recently, but it's it is plunging And it's getting close to its operating temperatures, which is exactly what we need. Jared take it out of context. So, yeah In space nobody here nobody can hear you freeze. Oh My god, oh wait and I can't pronounce that name I love the show has always improved my mood 10 to 15 percent as long as as if you need to be able to measure that for Us and let us know exactly the percentage that your mood has been improved. Yes, and we need it We need better tolerance than that. Yeah, exactly. You I don't there's not enough precision in that This is why we can't have count down net Because people like us actually We don't know what Sigma we're running at with that as well. So all right other than nuclear starship Bringing back the space shuttles and SpaceX accidentally showing the rocket getting stuck in the dome Which again brilliant Ryan love If you haven't watched it go back and watch the April 1st video that Ryan put out earlier today other than that What excited you about space this week? I'm excited that SpaceX are actually gonna be I Don't know what the right word would be but they're actually gonna be going into full reuse mode with Dragon crew Dragon is they're not Gonna be making anymore They're just gonna be reusing their current fleet of four crew capsules Which is bringing us bringing the US crewed space program back to the space shuttle days You just have three vehicles you rotate them SpaceX will have four vehicles that rotate them So it's really exciting to see they're now gonna have their workhorse fleet And we just now just need to see how they manage them because they've got a lot of flights coming up They've got NASA Flights to the ISS have got the axion flights They've got the Polaris flights so and there could be more coming on top of that as well So it's I'm very excited to see how SpaceX is gonna be managing that fleet and reusing the dragons and seeing how far they can push The performance of those capsules you were talking in pre-show how excited you were about like boosters And how like when a booster would launch for the third time How awesome that was you think you have the same thing with right because we're up to what was this we're up to 12 now I should know 12 12 12 on a boost I've been busy I've been busy You're not expected to know everything yeah Yeah But by the way, where they where they keep the the dragon capsules is that called the nest? On the on the boat when they pick up dragons that is the dragon nest and then they put rock dragon on the boat And then they suck it back in we do have a hatchery So I'm curious to know what's gonna happen with the hatchery now that all the dragons are built It's just the crew dragons that are built they have not said anything about the cargo car that's so they're still gonna be being produced So they're very similar the only difference is they don't have the abort motors But yeah, they're still gonna be building dragons just not for crew and they do still have the option to build crew Dragons if they need a larger fleet at some point as well that option still have they flown cargo dragon twos Yeah, yes, yes Keep up space like launches are bad bad bad space nerd.  So, okay, what's the threshold when you start getting excited about dragon reuse the same way you got excited about Falcon reuse or is it just different because it's not as Visibly dynamic coming back It's different. What is they cleaned a dragon every time when you see a true dragon come back? It's yellow. It's black. It's disgusting and then they make it look pretty again So it's like you can't you wouldn't get you can't see it on top of the rocket or black and sooty I don't think anyone will want to get into a black and sooty capsule anyway but it's still just being able to see the little number on the end of the Sierra number of each capsule just to know how many times it's been to space then that's that's the cool part Being able to see something that's flight proven gone to space several times And they're the only people doing this no one else is doing this do they have names They do but they also have serial numbers, which is how you know how many times I've been to space Well as our 71s have serial numbers to and those are full people as well Oh But hang on now you're getting into a hole. Where's the edge of space discussion? That's a that's a can of worms. We don't necessarily the SR SR 71's have tail numbers sure and they were They were frequently switched around To fool those that we're watching. Oh, that's clever. Yeah, I think it's hard to switch the tail of a dragon though Yeah, you gotta catch it first Yeah, I don't know who you need to really hide that from either so or or that would be particularly hard-dived from actually This is an interesting point by Harry in the chat room, which is you know saying SpaceX is the only one doing this You know I now I know we're gonna get some bowing hate here Put to the International Space Station how many times if they docked to the International Space Station How many astronauts are boiling breath in international space? It's actually quite a few. Yes quite a lot Yeah, what that's not what you said How many astronauts have buried taken to the International Space Station a star on where okay, so yes What company by way of lineage is the only one that's taken people beyond The influence of the earth I love I love how much you had to qualify that What's the only company by way of lineage? What's the only company who bought out another company I mean boy did work on the Saturn 5 if I remember correctly when they were bowing not when they had like purchased You know what did they do on the Saturn 5? I swear they did something. Oh, they may have I just like something they were one of the major contractors a major They made a few why is there's there's a document from the 60s that lists like 450 contractors and Now I'm gonna look it up certain. I'm sure Boeing is on it. I did they make the One of the tanks for Apollo 13 the No, that was towards American aviation Like the battery So so fun to hate on bowling because you know Kick them while they're down having said that like the reason we test the reason we do these flights Is that we find these issues and yes, our liner has some issues and they were working through it But I haven't I personally have no doubt that style liner will come online and send and ask the station I think starting I know will be hit They've spent so long working through the issues on starting I know I think they're I think they're nearly here I think it they'll be launching in 2023 definitely And I know someone's gonna come back in 2023 and clip this when it's been delayed for another two years But I think they're getting close to it This this is how engineering goes right some sometimes things just don't work right and yeah, yeah, it's it's fun. It's fun Nucleus dog. I know There you go wait. Oh, no, I can't I didn't hit it. There you go nuclear starliner Mmm-hmm Robert says what will it do after Atlas five runs out? I mean they can they designed it so that you can fly it on Vulcan too, right? I believe it's yeah, it's a legnostic so you can technically fly it on anything so So now that one way nine I was gonna say now that one web moved over to Falcon 9 Jumping on Falcon 9 all the cool kids These days so Larry says it's in the next starliner launch June 3rd I think yours, but that's not there. There's no crew on board. You're saying a crew will make it to space station aboard a starliner 2023 and I feel like That that's that's a good statement and the BE4 intensifies Oh my gosh, there's somewhere there. Yeah, there's somewhere Eric I assume Vulcan was designed to be human rated. I thought it was yeah Vulcan's human rated Yeah, yeah, they need they need Vulcan to be human rated. Yeah, it's like yeah Yeah, Vulcan is gonna be an interesting one when it comes online I feel like the only thing with Vulcan that we're waiting on is the blue origin stuff and what's really interesting is I remember going back when you and I did launch Alliance chose blue and the BE4 engine over Air jet rocket time. Yeah, and I was like, yeah, cuz air jet rockets. I was like you got to pay for all of this We're not gonna do any of the development ourselves. I'm like, that's not how the industry works anymore If you want people to buy your engine, you're gonna have to put some work into it yourself You're gonna have to put some money into it yourself. Yeah, and then like talk about old space. Yeah, exactly Yeah, but here we are with the BE4 engine and I'm like Yeah, there's some what is it the AR1 that Yeah, look at a little nicer right about now. I bet yeah also, you know I don't know. Maybe you could start the AR1 right now, and it might beat the BE4 to flight I don't think it's bad bad, but I don't know. So was that a burn hotter than a turbo pump? Well, Tori Berger has said that that definitely sticking with BE4 though. Yeah. Well. Yeah, they can't move the AR1 as a Keralox engine, right? Way too right now. Yeah, it's Keralox as well. So completely different different fuel We just you just change out the fuel. You're fine. Oh, yeah It's a couple it's a couple tubes every every meeting with the vice president of an engineering company's gone Just put some just just put some petrol into your diesel rocket. That's fine. It's an engineering conversation I still cringe every time somebody says just Just just yes, but now that I know that I'm gonna use just all the time with you. Yeah If you find me in the fetal position on the floor rocking back and forth, that's why Here Harry Harry does have a good point Which is for all we know the AR1 could have run into just as many issues not untrue Yeah, and like they would have charged for every issue that they ran into would have been an itemized bill itemized bill of all The problems that they had like again, that's just that that's not how you advance humanity Like yeah, someone's not someone else is not gonna pocket this for you. You gotta you gotta do it yourself. No So This is another fun one that hits Twitter and whatnot. Thank you. Harry.  Look at you Just like the constantly that's just use Raptor. Yeah Yeah, just each your Raptor as well nuclear Raptor. Thanks, Ryan Who do I can use it as a power station? Oh, what what else you have for us Ryan? That was pretty much it to be honest. I'll just not be honest I can't really remember a lot of stuff other than that that's happened because I've been focusing on stuff that didn't actually happen All of your energy went into a the April 1st show. Yeah, I'm done full Man I just looked it up and yes, but Boeing was a major subcontractor major contractor for Saturn What did they do? What did they do? They built the first stage of the Saturn 5. Yeah, the whole first stage of the Saturn 5 minor detail not Just the first stage it was fine I'm not seeing an exact map, but it says that Under the list of Boeing major subcontractors are a bunch of other companies and they've got listed Boeing Douglas IBM North American North American Yeah, North American Rocketdyne everybody says Jared's correct. They were the lead in the first stage. Yeah, yeah Actually, this is a really good question because we were trying to get you to the United States cover. Oh, yeah Sorry, I was just thinking by that there If I recall correctly the first stages for the Saturn 5 were built at Michoud at the Michoud facility in Is that how you pronounce that? I think it's Michoud. Okay Near New Orleans in Louisiana, and that's where Boeing's making the first stages or the main stages now for Same facility like not not just the same area, but like literally the same building. I don't know if it's the same building That'd be cool. Yeah, that would that would be really cool, too You know, it's just you know, I imagine since the 60s the old buildings been raised at least once probably a little bit I mean really like I feel like not necessarily like big huge hangars don't necessarily Yeah, a whole bunch when you have a When you have a cost behind a project that requires a reconfiguration, and it's not a hard decision All right, so I mean he's not wrong. Dota makes a great point. Okay, cool How is the fundraise so we're trying to bring you to the United States it'd be you and your father because you're young and I can't drive can't drive you need a chaperone Trying to bring you out here for the flight of I'm like Pegasus like he that's psyche. That's right How's that going? Where are we at? What do you need? That's going good We're currently at 2,939 pounds of 7,000 trying to be raised which is really good This is going on a lot faster than I thought it was and yeah there the the average donation from everyone so so far is like Ridiculously high in my opinion. It's like 50 pounds per person, which is it's like Really cool. So thank you everyone who has donated good You will all be thanked in the content that's made possible And if you want to help me out as well if you want to donate or you just want to share it The link is it in chat now? Have you ever had a chance to see a rocket launch in person? I? Have but I was really small Okay, you're currently really small so to find that a little bit better.  Yeah So okay, so by the way here is the link for those those people who would like to help Ryan Come to the United States to cover the psyche launch. Why do you want to cover the this launch specifically? It's launch window Because physics is really small for a rocket launch window. It's two two to three weeks. Hopefully two weeks Depending on however, they evaluate the performance of the Falcon heavies second stage And that makes it really good because Florida is really far away So you want to reduce the chances that when you get there it gets cancelled and with pretty much any other launch this year They can move it to whenever so this launch having a two-week launch window It has to go then or it's being pushed to 2024 Minimum so this is that's why this is such a perfect opportunity and the icing on the cake It's a Falcon heavy who doesn't want to go and see a Falcon heavy. I Would love to see if I can have this should also be Falcon heavies first proper payload that is going to be going to Mars I'll be it'll be a flyby of Mars because psyche is doing one star man on the way out Jared Did not get anywhere near Mars Hear you Jared. Yes, and star man can hear that star man has gotten nowhere near Mars So just because you go out towards the orbit of it doesn't mean you have gotten anywhere near it Okay, so I can I can go launch I could go launch a rocket at Mars right now if I wanted to and my payload is not gonna get to Mars It'll go get out as far as Mars, but I ain't gonna get to Mars I'm sorry y'all launched three months before the window opened Jared. I don't have to tell y'all I would like to know what rocket you can launch right now and send a payload to Mars with You per you personally that would be None okay, just checking. Hey Ryan Ryan when you when you're doing the launch coverage J Hansen is asking what is this gonna be more of a news like the tomorrow's space news Is this gonna be more like the live show is it gonna be something new and different? What are you planning? I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna try all three because why not so I'm gonna So there's I'm gonna try as possible to do some live stuff out there. It might be difficult though We're just gonna have to wait and see how that turns out I definitely want to be able to do news out there as well, but I'm also gonna just be doing like loads of extra content on the actual mission just to get burned through all the footage that I'll be getting So yeah, also the hotel room should have a nice view out the window of the Space Center So I might be able to do tomorrow live from there. So yeah, well and it wouldn't be like middle of the night for you either No, it'd be sunset. It'd be like really pretty. No, he's gonna be so jet lag Yeah, we should get a right out here. We should make him do something right after he gets off the jet I do like a policy con comment. We just do a mid-course correction with Starman You know Starman is driving the car. Just turn the wheel hit the accelerator. Oh, yeah, I'll do it. Yeah Yeah, I'm definitely I'm sure that the it's got good tires on it, right? It's it's electric, you know, I do do do do do do do do do do all right. No, the algorithms He's bought in something. Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to read that comment and so So Lars von Braun said nice things and then I got it got hidden in the basically saying tried to super chat, but And then it got censored Thank you very much Lars, you know, we all do this some people are coming to the room and giving us a hard time saying that their Show's boring. That's fine. If this isn't your jet.  We're gonna sit here We're gonna have some fun talking about space if you want the serious show Ryan does an amazing weekly space nude and you know, he even had an episode today release today Yes First relevant episode today But like the fact that you even did that was kind of amazing and he has got an amazing space news show There are some plans for that show to like embeginate it and like I don't know what other words to use I made some forward progress on it and then I got scary busy. So, yeah I you know, I think one of the I'll scatter thoughts. So I think Yeah So if that's if that's the type of for those of you complaining in the chair If that's the type of show that you want go watch space news. It's great. It's perfect for that Although if you just want to hang out and just nerd out over space This is a show for you. Come here. Have fun. Yeah, exactly And then I think it's fun because when we do launches and as we were covering I think earlier in the show and pre-show, you know We're at a crazy launch rate over at company X now You can see what I've worn or I'm about to wear to launch and it will always have some former green in it And because I really really really really Really really did not want transported for to start Sliding into axiom one not only do I have the green dress on but I have a green green Green nails as well. I went all out Yeah Yeah, man, you just a full effort put into making sure it actually went on time So I'm gonna be really sick here I think that I think the reason that transporter for when on time because everyone pressed the red subscribe button and actually got us into The positives for the first time ever and that's red and that's no go so make sure you press it So it's not right. Yeah, that works. Yeah, actually, I will say you may was wearing a red Sweater or like a red cardigan today Mm-hmm, and we didn't notice that she was wearing red until about two minutes before we went live And I was going to joke about it with her in her ear But I thought I thought better of it and I was like Making fun of the host about where he'd read two minutes before we're about to go on the air Probably not the best idea so I didn't and then I was like, oh I'll bring it up after the afterwards or if we scrub We'll blame the scrub on her because that's what we do if you wear red in my control room Or you wear red, you know, you wear red in my show You're getting blamed For any red like you got a little bit of red in your socks that scrub was your fault. That's how that works I got red shoes on my shoes are red. Yes. Yes, you do. Yes, you do No, no, we can't see Jerry I'm sorry. I tried I'm actually a little surprised here Mm-hmm. God is this a 30-minute show today? No, the problem is I'm exhausted I mean, I was so Dada, what were you excited about this? But you can't talk about anything. You have the same problem I have I did a thing it worked Sometimes that's how I feel too. Hey, you know, hang on. We did do a thing that worked landing coverage live Y'all catch that I was I was the screen in my screen.   Yeah Yeah, that's pretty good Eric totally on notice the length. Yeah, actually people people were mentioning it and I follow reddit just to make sure things are working Right, so I go into us reddit slash r slash basex I find the launch thread and then I don't really say anything I'm a passive passenger, but I'm looking for people being like, oh, hey, I can't hear any audio or You know, we have a problem with what blah, blah, blah, blah, blah So I was following along on reddit and as soon as landing video came down just a series of threads of like, oh my god a clean And it was great It didn't turn it didn't turn to potato which made me happy right because sometimes we'll maintain connection but Even though we maintain connection it all went to potato and so Like that's not very useful And so like it was yeah, reddit is the wrong reddit is the wrong color Um, and and all hondra says you read it. No, there's nothing wrong with reddit Like if you find the right community, they're they're quite delightful I will say I think I have more issues on twitter than I do on reddit Yeah, like you say what if you don't talk on reddit you can't annoy anyone. I'm sorry. I'm sorry If you can't if you don't talk on reddit, then you can't annoy one. So I guess that's true Oh, no, you can annoy people on reddit and not be on or posting on reddit. Trust me about that one ryan Trust me on that one. You can No, I actually find reddit to be a very useful very very useful tool in my life So you have to find the right communities. You have to find the right communities But you know what I think that's true of anything right like Okay smoke skills coming what smoke hang on uh There's nothing wrong with reddit jamie 2022 That's great. Oh my gosh Hang on I already had hours of this in my control room all morning. I don't need it from y'all y'all too, right? So just make you just want to make you feel like Yeah, great. Just to feel like I'm still at company x Everybody around you is saying that you're wrong Guess what? What do we call that? What do we call that? Consensus and we're very scientifically driven in this industry. And what does consensus mean? Um, I still don't believe that you're wrong Jared or that I'm wrong. That's how that works Like right now you could all tell me I'm wrong. I reject. I reject your reality and substitute my own Oh man So actually this is so I think everything goes in fit and I interesting how we're like on reddit at this point Um, I'm glad I left reddit when I did the spacex subreddit became a dark place to talk It did it actually the spacex subreddit was really amazing at first and then like they got popular Not popular And then um, it kind of like went into a really weird place And we actually we used to post these tomorrow shows anytime we talked about spacex on this subreddit And then it went weird and they got angry anytime we'd post anything about spacex and we were like, okay We just won't post there anymore. And then we kind of like Fell away and you know, I think over time it kind of like course corrected back towards center So it it did it it course corrected back I think it course corrected back and it's it's like, I don't know. I find it useful I learned things about the place I work So we used to get our hands slapped posting our videos to facebook too. So Oh, there's that data point You mean you mean tomorrow. Yeah What did we yeah Okay, I believe you I don't actually remember that I think I I just spacex subreddit for news is helpful sometimes Well, I'm not on facebook anymore if that like Not doing that. I'm I am happier because of it. I think the one that I think reddit and twitter switched places in my mind So, um, you know the spacex or the space community on reddit got pretty toxic and pretty bad for a while And then it seems to have kind of come back, but that toxicity didn't just leave the universe It seems to have moved into space twitter And like you cannot be created and destroyed it can only be transferred Okay I mean Not wrong not wrong so Just look how proud he is at that. Well, look at it. Look at it. Look at it. That's solid, right? That's the half-possed one. I am mind walking. That was good. Good one I do I do agree with this the spacex sub subreddit rules are longer than the original us constitution That's very true. That is very true. Is that another reason that we don't actually post on uh, um The reddit the spacex subreddit because like I don't know which of the two million rules I have I'm breaking So I'll just let someone if someone else wants to post it awesome. If not, that's fine Yeah, if you breathe, you know, there's a problem. So, you know Are you reading the what do you got? I yeah, so okay. Hang on So obviously we've got the the updated chat system our our normal chat system is broken We're talking a little bit about this Uh, oh, hey, I can actually bring that there. That's a good idea. See this is who we are Um, uh, there we go. That's the updated chat system. This is a whole I'm one. I'm that one. I'm Oh, thank you. Thank you. I'm I'm this one right there. That's me. No, I do. No, dude, you're there I'm that's this Yeah, there you go. There you go. Now. Now ryan now ryan Uh, I'm I'm I'm that one No, you gotta do your favorite or a little higher. There you go. There you go. Now data now data It's hard isn't it This is a weird episode today, isn't it? This is what happens. Well, it's April it's April 1st So or in some places April 2st, that one's me right there All right, this is weird. Oh and actually, uh, uh, Holden set us back up. So we'll we're definitely going back to it next week because like tried to maintain This chaos is crazy Yeah, yeah Apollo, uh Now I understand who everyone is and then also smoke scale. I forgot about twist for those who don't know what twist is Uh, I was doing something this is a couple years ago Back when we were using the the other room as well and I I created a slate or I created a graphic and I had I Didn't fully update the date on the graphic So I went from like april 1st to april 2nd in the graphic But I forgot to I only updated the number It was like april 1st and then you changed the 1 to a 2 and left the 2 st So it ended up being april 2st and I made it to air it actually made it to air And so, uh, it's like, uh, it's beautiful. It was it was a It was a thing. So it's us now. It's become lower here at tomorrow. It's become lower. Yeah That's what you get for using a form letter Chaos is the rule. All right, are we uh, is this gonna be a short show? Are we running out of chaos is We run out of stuff. Should we just go into post show at this point? I mean, uh, it was just we were talking like Since we were talking about reading the contracts last week, uh with ryan, you know the budget proposal for nasa Fiscal year 2023 is out officially and uh, nasa's getting some more money So and they move some stuff around too, right money wise. What's up? They move some money stuff around too Yeah, I mean overall nasa's getting an eight percent bup bup bup bup, you know, that's ryan's gonna When we talk about it in news, it's going to be referred to as nasa's eight percent bup That's what it's gonna say in the graphic. Uh, yeah Of course So, you know, now we're going out to uh, just just a hair under 26 billion dollars total for the agency In there and there was there's only a few parts of nasa. They're actually not getting more money And then even then they are losing maybe less than Maybe like seven or eight percent total of their budget to begin with so they're not really taking big hits Want me to blow your mind? You can get six. So I guess I won't choose with that Yeah, that was what I was just gonna say is you can use nasa's entire budget would allow you to launch sls once every other month And that's it and then the entire budget you've got you've got half a billion left That's it. That's all you get once every other month. It's true. Yeah, that's a lot of money That's a lot of money just a bit and actually uh, very interestingly, uh, the Uh, the The proposal and the enacted it's actually uh, ryan and space launch system are two of the ones that had Uh money removed from them. They had a little bit Why hang on hang on but not a lot It was chop-top stop, but it was for development and whatnot, right? It was it was just shifted over to actual operations I mean, uh, yeah the operations other things like that exploration ground systems and things so so they didn't actually take money out of the Program also they just they just moved the pile from this side to this side Yeah, the hammer that they were using for the ground support system is now 50 000 dollars instead of 2000 So wait, wait, wait, hold up. Uh, daniel sane stem lost a hundred percent of its funding And then philip is saying stem will get its funding back. Yes. Yes. That'll that'll thanks. Thanks for clearing that up jared That was great Which one jared pick one I know it lost nine percent of its funding and it's going to come back. Is that what you're saying? Yes, but it's one of those things where the where uh congress or somebody in congress always tries to zero the education funding That nasa gets to go out and and help get the next generation of engineers excited about hopefully working for them And then usually someone in congress is like you in basil and then you know quickly Fills that back in and makes that happen. Why keep why keep americans competitive in engineering? Yeah, maybe the ground net comes from the stem from the stem budget Maybe Maybe it does So if possibly it's very well possibly good down there So yeah, you have chat rooms agreeing with you jared. It was caught congress will add a pack Yeah, that's why I just did not mention that because that is something that has been happening for the better part of Three decades now in terms of nasa's budget. So this is this is uh, and another very good point Which is I'll get more excited when both houses of congress have passed it Yeah, obviously don't count your chickens before they had but one of the one of the things here At least in the united states and government is that One of the few things that has extremely strong bipartisan support is nasa That's that's really one of the few things that you get the two major parties actually agreeing together on There's usually very little political friction on that front cohesion. Yes Synergy Web 3.0 All right That's that that I mean yay like Submitted not real yet. So I see why that was kind of punted to the end. Yeah, but I mean it's still moving forward There's progress to that. So um, also mark van de high came back This week as well nasa astronaut who's been on space station Set the american duration record now for I think believe 355 days on orbit. So oh wow So maybe a whole year. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, quite a lot, which is uh, how long it took. It's a little bit sad like 10 more days Yeah, 10 more days. Just use like nothing do it How many how many astronauts have done? Does it take to screw in a light bulb the entirety of a year consecutive concurrently or consecutively? Well, I know at least one cosmonaut has So I think I believe the record is held by a cosmonaut who was on mirror in the early 90s that tracks. So It's 400 I'm just kidding. What's up. Were they stuck on mirror? No, not, uh, Also, no, that was not when the country collapsed when they had folks still in orbit as well. So Oh Can I come home now? Yeah, hey anybody got I don't know if you guys would like to but I would like to come home All hundred things is four people overall with mark coming in fifth in the list Um, yeah, one of the kelly's did it too, right? Well, not a not a full year And you're saying you're saying all at once or someone's yeah, I'm asking all at once. Yeah So, yeah, I mean I could just pull it up. So I don't know why they keep shorting astronauts that that my schedule It's schedule, man That's the way it goes Sorry, Terrence says we didn't get any spacex updates nasa spaceflight, which by the way you're wearing the nasa spaceflight Texas tank watcher. I noticed that I think I didn't notice that so and like it's a good shirt. So I figure we're now Kennedy Space Center tank watchers Yeah, actually there was a there was a really good recent nasa spaceflight video going over the differences between I think it's bn4 and bn7 or it might have been No, I'm sorry it was sn20 and whatever it was and going over like The crazy level of detail that nasa spaceflight has which by the way they've had well before they were covering starship, right? Like you wanted you wanted a deep dive into space shuttle back when it was flying. That's where you went they had The absurd information on shuttle. Yep. Anyhow, um They have this really great video talking about the differences and the number of rings per section that spacex is building for I want to say it's starship and not the booster Um, it's both. Is it okay? Cool. Um, maybe that's why I couldn't remember. I'm like And like cover like really getting I just can't win on this system. No, you guys can't see what's going on behind the screen. Oh my gosh It's just I this chat room is going to be the end of me. I I'm not allowed to have chat apparently anyhow. Um, yeah Head up Head over to youtube and look up nasa spaceflight and they've got just them in Insane videos going really deep into the production of starship. Like if you're interested in that like It's it's crazy Again, I work there and I learned stuff from these things Yeah, I mean, no, I work at company x That's what I meant to say work at company x. Just want to throw this out here Mark van de haa and peter du Peter dubraves flight which they returned from just a couple days ago They are actually number four on the list of longest flights Mikhail cordon, yanko and scott kelly are number five. They were 340 days Dubrov and van de haa just wrapped up 355 days on orbit. There are only four cosmonauts That have ever flown A full year in space and that would be vladimir titav and musha manorav Who flew on mir in 1987 to 1988 for 365 point nine Days then there was uh, sir gay that point nine makes a difference like that. Yeah Hey, you know it, but barely counts barely counts a full year. Um, then there was sir gay av dirah av Sorry, you're you're getting to watch me learn how to pronounce names on air life. It's great Usually we do this you don't get to see this bit now you get to see it live But sir gay av diev uh who spent 379 and a half days on mir from august 1998 to late august 1999 and then finally, uh, your overall winner was valery pol pol yakov. Yeah valery pol yakov, uh, who was on mir from January 8th 1994 to march 22nd 1995 for 437 consecutive days So there you go. That's your winner. That's the data that no one but dada wanted. There you go You got it now. You got it too. So now whenever that happens you can Yeah, you can figure it out or something. Sorry, I blacked out in the middle anyway, um, let's go ahead and I swear to you. This is exactly what my control room is like during the day Like just this just everyone giving to everyone else trouble. That's exactly what it is the whole time That's how you can tell I care Here's the best part. So vax headroom just showed up and now that vax headroom here now we can start the show I'd like I'd like to thank everyone for watching including our escape velocity citizens Hey vax we're going we're gonna keep going. We can keep going. Sorry vax. She started it. I had to go with it We also have our orbital citizens And there are different levels of membership that you can help support the show with You know escape velocity being the top all the way down to system support. We also have suborbital And you know some of these levels get your name in the show every every level has a different reward structure when a pattern in the chaos, where's that? Oh, yeah That's a good one. There you go. Yep. And then of course our ground support citizens Who else wow look at the list if you have funny names. I try to find them and see if we can Okay, we'll pick someone out from ground support then. Uh, oh there's someone The not so new that's a good one as well. Yeah, that's pretty good. I dig it. Uh, oh, there's just a Jedi master We have a Jedi master. I'm going just the Jedi master.  All right, thank you every thank you to all of our members who helped to make the uh, the shows go And as ryan alluded to earlier, you know, I'm wearing green and if you want to make sure that this show is green for launch Make sure you get rid of your red no go button by pressing on that subscribe button. Uh, you'll change it from red to Gray, I really wish it turned green like this would work so much better if that button turned green Three letters the first three letters are correct if you spell it the correct way What what I missed that one The first three got g r e y gray Oh, oh, that's what you're that's a stretch also. Hang on. This is one cool So I got confused. I don't like this chat room that we've got right now except for Oh, right not that see that's what look at that Isn't that cool? Philip thank you for becoming a new member.  How cool is that nice? I love that. I love that so much I'm just gonna leave that there. We're just gonna silently watch the uh, yeah, look at it Just to shine go right across it shiny All right. All right shiny Okay, thank you So so Philip now that you have joined and become a member and system support you could head over to the membership tab on youtube You'll actually see a member's only version of this video, which is actually in this exact same moment in time It's like a scene out of space balls. When are we we're now sir But in a moment i'm going to hit the end stream button on the main live show But the other stream is going to keep going and we're going to go into post show where we're going to talk about Whatever we feel like talking about maybe it'll be space. Maybe knowing me. It'll probably be disneyland. It could be Just about anything Yeah, okay. I love that our chat room is going into space balls Wah Preparing to fast forward fast forwarding sir All right. All right On that note. Thank you everyone so much for watching. We'll see you over in the member chat toodles Boop. There we go. I'm always


Paul Cunning was my name, as you heard, the RTA correspondent, and I'm delighted with the order of play that I'm going to speak first, because as you just heard, Jamie Smith was the Europe correspondent for four years, whereas I've only had the job since May, so I would obviously have run out of time, wouldn't have very much to say and would just be saying, Jamie hit it on the head earlier on when he said, but as you also heard from Jill, I was the environment correspondent for ten years, so my perspective on Ireland and how Ireland was viewed by Europe is framed very much by that type of stuff for ten years, where there was a view in Europe that Ireland loved signing things, that we were great Europeans. Give us anything we'll sign it. It was just we had a bit of difficulty when it came to doing, and this would have gone through various different directives. One of them I remember more than anything else was the nitrates directive, a painful exercise in which Ireland was dry kicking and screaming, saying it couldn't for this reason, it couldn't for that reason, and eventually some form of compromise being done. And Commissioner Volstrom was over and just expressing exasperation that how this could be, how can you say yes, and then politically not prepare the ground for the deal to go through and it having to be this protracted affair in which everyone got into a right tiz. And I think to a certain extent that gives us some indication about how Ireland was approaching Europe, and therefore how Europe was also beginning to approach Ireland, which was something like with the arms folded and going, I hear what you're saying, but I'm going to wait to see exactly what you do. And there was also a sense of running out of rope. I know people will always point to things like the stability and growth pact and say, hold on, there's other European nations which are quite happy to sign things, and when they needed to make a few amendments. But in the environment sphere at least, Ireland was one of the worst offenders, it was up more than any other, and I think that if you look at say something like TERF is going to be the time when Europe runs out of patience. When the first spade or first machine goes into a protected bog in February, we're going to be bounced into the European Court of Justice like that because they've had enough and they're not prepared to deal with it anymore. So how big filled deals with that will be interesting because effectively we've run out of time. But on the European thing, while I took up the role in the beginning of January, I only actually became full time in May. So I was coming backwards and forwards. So one of the first things I went to was the political wake of Brian Cowan where he was over negotiating at a summit, but it was clear he was on the way out and he was talking about the future even though he himself didn't have any future in. And around that time I was beginning to speak to other what they call senior EU diplomats, in other words people who want to blab but not necessarily be named. And asking them, well what do you think? Why was it that Ireland finds itself in such a tight corner? And more than anything else what came across was that Europe is a collective in which people negotiate, intervene, interlock, come together even when it isn't necessarily in their national interest. We all pulled together and Ireland had effectively walked away from the table. It wasn't just that we weren't attending meetings. It was also even when we were there we weren't participating. We weren't actually even using something simple like our English language skills when it came to framing motions. We were sitting back. We weren't participating. There was a sense that we had a huge opportunity when many of the Eastern European countries joined the EU that Ireland could have played a leadership role. We had agricultural-based society. We had gone through it. We knew how to access funds. We knew how to play the game. I mean that we could have used that as a method of framing or blocking in a number of countries who might support us on more difficult matters than effective. We just didn't do it. And so while people like me hold Martin and I'd say John Gormley would vigorously reject what I've just said to you, that's what people were saying to me. You walked away and then you had that hubris of the Celtic Tagaeer where we don't even need you Europeans anyway because we're going to change the economic model and move forward. And then of course the House of Cards came down. When Enda Kenny came over it was interesting to see he had this huge enthusiasm and it was going to be interesting to see how that played out. But the biggest thing was that he had been banging away at the European People's Party, the EPP for years, whether he was vice president or whatever different roles that he held. So when he went into these room he knew most of the people. And that also played for Lucinda Crichton. I know that the Department of Foreign Affairs will have a few issues with Europe being pulled over to the Taoiseach's office. But once again she was walking into a room. She knew people, they knew her and we now had this EPP block anyhow throughout Europe where at the moment it's only the Belgians who have gone red. But it is very much a blue block and so there was going to be political capital gain there. But the main message they had was that Ireland is Europe's best chance of success when it came to programme. And this was the message they kept banging away in the hope that if it was accepted, well then once you accept her you're a best chance then you have to make sure that it succeeds. And it gives you political leverage on what you're going to do. And then first it was Ali Ren and Baroso who were talking yes and you heard of Ireland's doing very well. First report of the Troika, very good boys. And then it began to broaden out Jean-Claude Trichet, the ECB was mentioning it and then suddenly Merkel was mentioning it and then suddenly our bestest friend when it comes to corporatax. The French President Nicolas Sarkozy was also using Ireland as this fantastic example of a nation which was able to accept the pain which was moving forward. And I think that was part of the strategy and so things were beginning to change because ministers were attending meetings, they were actually trying to participate. And Europe also needed to have a success and so things were beginning to move together. We were no longer on the outside, we could probably call us the best boys in the bailout bunch. Not much of a claim to have but certainly better than how it had been in the earlier part of the year. And when you spoke to officials once again behind closed doors they would talk to you about how there isn't any demonstrations on the streets, you're not rioting. And there wasn't any deceit involved, it was maybe a deceit of your own imagination but there wasn't sort of documents being forged. And when we talk about the Greeks we're pushing the boulder up the hill, it's just that the boulder is getting bigger all the time. Whereas in Ireland there's some sense that things are changing for the better. So once again it was feeding into this idea that Ireland was a positive. And what we saw just at the last summit was Tisha Kenny's great play which was at this difficult time when Europe was trying to forge this big deal. He rolls out the, but why don't you help us on the old question of bank debt. Now how we're going to do that remains to be open but it was now out in the open that this is what Ireland is hoping to do. He's emphatic to keep the Germans inside as he said in two journeys. We will pay back every cent but after that they're looking for any change that it can possibly make to make that money cheaper. And so save us a target of three or four billion a year when it comes to paybacks. And that's what they're starting to do. And that will be most interesting to see how far it goes. And you will see the divergent grooves within the, or positions within the Troika, within the IMF who've got one view as to what should happen, the EU and the ECB. So it will be interesting to see how that plays out. But the difficulty and I think what you'll probably hear from the other two speakers is it's not Ireland anymore, you know, as we reduce our growth rate projection for 2012 down to 1.3. Moody's now says it's going to be 1%. But with things seemingly heading off a cliff, it is effectively out of our hands as to how influential we are going to be next year. And I think that is the difficult thing for the government. I mean it's a question of Ireland hopes to tentatively go back to the bond market at the end of 2012. Will anyone be interested in European bonds? Forget about Irish bonds. How strong is that going to be? How confident can we be in growth when everything is beginning to slow down? And then if we have France beginning to lose its triple A credit rating, which means the EFSF also loses triple credit rating, which means it becomes more expensive for us to borrow money. So I think that's the trajectory which was certainly a sense, just to sum up a sense that Ireland had been bad boys and a cocked it up for many years, that they had come up with a reasonable strategy and it suited European leaders to join in it, which gave us some sort of leverage and that's where we are at the moment, but we're effectively at the mercy of events that don't work out our way. It's very precious little that we're going to be able to do, which is going to be of benefit.


WeK assigns legislative instrument revoking O'Mahia's recognition as ex-Riverstate governor and Chairman Lagos Parks and Garages Management committee MCO law Mali solidarity rally for APC presidential candidates, Bala Ahmed, Tinnable This is plus politics. I'm Mary Annicole It's still plus politics. Well, we're still being joined by Dr. Chidi Lloyd. He's the chairman and more local government area in River state and Subway Eli is the director strategic communications and spokesperson for the Tonya core APC gubernatorial campaign council in River state. Just a minute. I'm going to start with you, Dr. Lloyd. There are many who have wondered why the U-turn for Governor WeK against the Supreme Court's earlier ruling. And then it took this long for the governor to finally realize and withdraw, you know, the privileges of an ex-governor that he previously had given to Mr. Meher. What exactly could have resulted to this? Well, Mary, I want to thank you for this opportunity. And to say that the governor has not done any wrong. Because what the governor did at the beginning, you know, in 2015, Recall that the river state has over 30, came up with the most, directing the governor to recognize as the president of river state. And the governor acted on the resultant part of the majority of the river state as it then was in 2016. Then somewhere in 2022, the same assembly took off and said that they have more facts. They now know what it is in 2015 and came up with another, urging the governor to be recognized as the president of river state. And to go on to recover all that has been passed off, to, you know, enjoy as the president of river state. So the governor of river state is only a pure democrat, and that is what the ex-governor did at the beginning, the different organs of government. And that is exactly what the ex-governor did. A lot of people have put what is behind the ex-governor and all that. But it is better for a group of people to recognize that the river state has came up to clear the misery of the state. Imagine it is not surprising that people can make mistakes and protect the people. Even God himself, and somewhere in the state to recognize himself, you recall the story of Prophet Ezekiel and Ezekiel. You recall that God was an Ezekiel, so he took Ezekiel to prepare for death. And Ezekiel and Ezekiel, these are not what he thought. And he had done it. And God said to Ezekiel, is it going to be difficult to remember?  So the thing about Ezekiel is that people go down. In this part of the world, people don't go down. So if God can make the thing happen, how much less is it? You also recall that people, the justice of the people of Ezekiel. I also had time for so much to remember this part. Which is the main part, the main conflict evidence. Which they didn't have. They made the conflict. So if you remember, I told you, remember, because of Ezekiel and Ezekiel and Ezekiel, and the Supreme Court, and in 2019, in the Mojibor against the corner case, had corrected the evasives in the two figure and the case. So the life history tried to not deal to act about the deal of Ezekiel and Ezekiel. The most important thing was the governor, the guy of the law. No. But in terms of justice, they asked Ezekiel, the governor said, all the evasives of Ezekiel that we are going to add, we are going to add by Ezekiel and Ezekiel. Okay. And that's the lesson. Because he's constitutional, he doesn't need the respect of the prejudice of the electoral law. Okay. Well, I don't see why. Okay. Let me, because your line is a bit problematic and I couldn't hear everything you said. Let's go to Sokbe. Sokbe, Mr. Lloyd is saying that it's very normal what has happened and he's given his reasons. But then, of course, members of your party are of the opinion that the governor ought to somewhat appeal to the consciences of reverse people. Not just that. Apologize to reverse people in the words of your party flouting the laws of the Supreme Court that had initially stopped him from recognizing Mr. Mayhair as a governor. What's your take? Well, it's a tragedy of momentary self-proportions that can be the 21st century while hearing these fables. I just just came to my former friend Mr. Lloyd, who has a PhD in law on the University of Calabar publicly blasphemy quoting the Bible, quoting God as as fallible, as scammable of retracting certain steps are taken to justify the class impunity and abuse of office by his name, Mr. Mayhair. It's a tragedy here. Mr. Lloyd is first one as a lawyer called to the Niger Bar. He knows that under the legal process acts, Section 3 provides for the Board of Ventures. It's mentally it's also a lawyer it's a member of the Board of Ventures. Not only a family member, it's a life venture. By that Board of Ventures on Section 3 of the legal process acts, it saddles the responsibility of calling Niger lawyers or anybody that trains under the custom of legal education and qualifies as provided by that law to be called to the Niger Bar. I talked about the man who was called to Bar in 1998 very impact on the fingertips and me as a pastor. Now that man is Governor of Rivers in 2015. Some heat off is by law on Section 9. And by June 30th the Assembly that he had already agreed to may ratified his vision. It should be like telling the Assembly to pass his militia. It's not like it should be like if my leader of the House for two times it's not three times. It was last about three times. I think three times were later for two times. Now that House is reduced last House of Assembly of Rivers State has become a typical of a stamp where people wake up in the morning and they can rule the Supreme Court. They wanted to demand the Supreme Court so it was never Governor after the law and they wake up seven years, almost eight years after and they go on the last story and tell us they are found by that same mistake. Come on. This is the message of Nigeria for God's sake. I'm sorry, so may I just hold on. What do you think prompted Governor Wickey at the time to make that decision even against the Supreme Court? I mean, I remember the case the court case of Ameci versus Inaq that declared Governor Ameci at the time as the valid governorship candidate. What do you think prompted that move in the first instance? Mayan. Back in let's all add that was interviewed by the Supreme Court in that judgment of June 26th and 27th, it's quite clear Omea did not participate in the primaries that led to the lesions of Dr. Michi Kofi. So it was never never, Ameci was a luckless of its set. That was the one Ameci challenged and went all the way to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court in its wisdom yes, but in the eyes of the law Omea was never Governor of Russia. It's essentially an impeccably pleased post. Yes, so Wickey Governor became Chief of Staff of Ameci was an active dramatic person in that judicial struggle from the Senate to the Supreme Court. In fact, at the time Ameci went to the exile in Ghana to serve his life. So Omea said, okay, I'm not going to let that struggle. I'm not saying Ameci in an act of gratitude appointed the Chief of Staff so he was looking at those as in those he's being the best that he took was clearly political and I'm content to ask him it was actually absolute content of the Supreme Court. But it was politics so it was okay by him. So for him, it was a variety law. And that's what he did. This attraction is happening because Omea has gone to support Attica Bumbaka, the president. If Omea has been on his side like we're looking at another Omea will still be a former governor of the United States. And people come to this frustration and tell the world and quote the scriptures when they deliberately committed an act look, these guys should come for that money out in the next seven or eight months in military, honestly, okay, let's go back for that money. It's not a good thing it's not for friendship it's not where you turn your friends in and out as governor, fly governor and pay them money as you wish. Omea was never governor after the law we can do so even the assembly has passed a solution let us do with that continuity as you just told them some kind of truth. Okay, let me go back to let me go back to let me go back to let me go back to the point you only got assembly by the fight it doesn't seem not to play politics let me let's give Dr Lloyd an opportunity to respond to these allegations that you've levelled. Dr Lloyd, before you respond to Omea, I'm curious I mean the government is asking for a refund of 600 plus million Naira and they've put an end to some of the benefits that had been accrued to him but I'm wondering how what right, let me ask it this way what right does Governor Wike have nor the House of Assembly have to ask him to return these monies if in the first instance according to the Supreme Court judgement was even something that was done in error, knowing fully premeditated this is what Omea is saying and this is what many others in the APC are saying that this was done in spite of the Supreme Court's law now what right does the Governor have to ask for a repayment or refund of all of those monies knowing that it was even dispensed knowingly even as the court had said that whatever the Governor was doing was airing against the law secondly, the allegations that this is politically politically motivated that Mr Omea is now of course supporting someone that Governor Wike reportedly is fighting against would you like to respond to that Maryam, Maryam I would say the temptation of causing in total your I've listened to the operation of my former friend a very detailed I've listened to closely to hear he would say Omea has said by his own showing we have put that to justice with the decision of the Supreme Court for justice of good tidings as well as the number of governor and I want the people of Maryam to ask in years of Wike it has to be made a mistake the old progressive Congress even if they do not insist I tell you that what would what would have been their as an opposition of the government of the Congress this is not very bad for people to have the news like yours to grandstand you know the jurisprudence has to be closed what to buy a airline and would have done would have been to go to court to challenge the government assuming those it is that the election was never going and as the weters election Omea will return the money you just wait and see what you wait and see what but Dr. Lloyd when you refer to something when you refer to I know I'm saying when you refer to something as a mistake it means that you did it in error as opposed to knowing if a court has declared that this thing is null and void but you go ahead to say no it's not null and void and you continue to do something and dispense money and dispense money in that regard that is the point I'm trying to take to I recall that Omea was an airline and they produced me as a three-time member of the river state and six years after the 12 years I was the leader of the government in that alone chamber the governor of the river state nearly acted on the legislative instrument to recognize acted on another legislative instrument to direct on the governor did not two or more to give six hundred and sixty years of error to address Omea the same body that said he should also came up to say look we have a better plan please this can I comment? we should be applauding members of the party let's let him learn and then you can comment I'm listening to him he's telling me that what happened was not the governor did not recognize people who once had a job now that he did not recognize please let me comment but he said look the Supreme Court members have got it it doesn't matter how long they took it doesn't matter how long they took because the potential they have revised themselves and they have done the right thing and they have called the governor if Chief Omea had did not one way or another if Chief Omea had did not declare his support for Vice President Atikua Buboka would we be having this conversation yes or no? what? Dr. Lloyd I didn't get that I'm going to ask the question again if Mr. Omea had did not declare his support for Vice President Atikua Buboka would we be having this conversation in the first place well you know that it's a yes or no question Dr. Lloyd I'm asking you to do and I'm going to introduce you to the lawyer at first I'm a lawyer that I hold the famous University of San Aba I'm waiting for my answer and I want to say that at the University of Nigeria I need to have what I'm telling you the city of Nigeria and Mayor Mayor this has nothing to do with the lesson of their personal and political participation let's let Omea talk because it's important that I'm happy that the Omea community has connected with the anomaly and we use our program since you refused to answer my question I'm going to ask since you refused to answer my question directly I'm going to ask Omea to come in so where you go ahead yes Mayor if you trust me who have me in the house right now with Dr. Lloyd attempt to sell ice to Eskimos you also sell ice to Eskimos and you know that she will return the PhD degree to the University of Calabar she will return this course to back to the city to the Board of Adventures to make yourself better I think you should I think it's personal I'm sorry so where you can address issues but do not take personal shots at him it's unnecessary I have mentioned this you have to put him back on track I thought you have one no gentlemen that will not happen on this show you will only address the issues and not take jabs at each other unnecessary language is not allowed on this program please for the last time please let's not do that let's address the issue on the ground now finally I want to talk about the issue of allowing well the government the government of river states has said that they're going to take back the criminal charges or drop the criminal charges against the governor former governor and of course the governorship candidate of the all-progressive congress Tony Cole would you like to speak on that Dr Lloyd other than taking jabs at your the government of river states the attorney general of river states has powers to protect constitution and continuous it's a constitutional right so if the government finds it has discontinued they have not committed any offense what they have done is withdraw and you don't know why they have to withdraw it and that's why I'm asking what is the reason behind the withdrawal because this is the case I wish if you are talking to the attorney general of river states I would have glad to answer the question should be what about the attorney general and the powers to institute and discontinue under the constitution of the federal republic and the republic of the republic of lunatic so you are talking you are talking not a big bad person okay take it easy finally Subway this has to be good news for people in your camp because you obviously are the spokesperson one of the spokesperson for the Tony Cole campaign what's your final thought on this well from Abinichio it was a child that was politically motivated it was a snare campaign and they law the basic ingredients for establishing a gift of any party accused if those ingredients are not available there is nothing to pursue and use to prove this case we are unable to doubt not a smart friend to do like those but they have it was on this fight it was in the SPC and if I looked about the PDP he notes both sides I know that it is a pure trap from day one if you talk about the allegation in law you must bring it up to prove that a friend if there are those ingredients and they advise the police back they have both choices for the pull out but again it measures the power of not impossible by the attorney general of river state they go back to the campaign board and then if the PDP go and do some further research I will come up with more TMZ spray allegations the moment the ones they brought have been caught up by the evidence so they pulled out but don't forget these are politicians they could come up again with some fresh charges tomorrow but again you know it doesn't matter how many times the law allows you in the criminal trial if you do not have the evidence to prove those offences to alleged or the crime alleged that they committed a typical condition then if they bring the charges again because the allegations are furious they have specials they have speculative they have no foundation in law in fact they have clearly political attempts we have to go gentlemen unfortunately unfortunately we do not have time gentlemen unfortunately our time is up Dr. Chidi Lloyd is the chairman of the local government area in river state where Eli is the director strategic communications and spokesman we call APC gubernatorial campaign council in river state thank you so much gentlemen for being part of the conversation well we will take a quick break and when we return we will be talking about the Tinnubu Shatima Solidarity March that took place yesterday in Lagos state and of course we will be talking about the postponement of the flag off of campaigns for the APC in the country stay with us