Welcome to the FeeCast, your weekly dose of economic thinking from your friends at the Foundation for Economic Education. I am Richard Lawrence and I am back from my summer vacation. Happy to see our panel, Anna Jane Perle, Dan Sanchez, and Mary Ann March, and it's the end of summer, which means that I just returned from the beach. I try to get in there right when no one else is there. I got very sunburnt, but only on my legs, so you can't tell. I was very cautious given this pale skin that I have, but I did do something brand new on my vacation, and that is I fished, and I actually caught three fish, one of which was edible, and so I am coming back victorious from from this vacation. Thank you to Sean, our executive producer who filled in for me last week. It seemed like you guys had a great conversation, but this week, of course, given the fact that we're winding down with summer, we're thinking about the fact that for some people, it's time to go back to school, and for many people that means the beginning of their college careers, and a lot of these folks are going because they have goals that they only believe can be achieved through a college degree. Some people might be going because they think it's what they have to do, and other people might be going because their parents told them they should go. Or because it's a party. And because it's a party at some places, right? So as we're talking about returning to college, you're starting to get news in the internet of various large companies that are beginning to say formally now that they are relaxing their requirement for a college degree for job applicants, which isn't exactly new, but they're making a big deal out of it. Yeah, that's right. Google, Apple, IBM, and then I saw a news article earlier that other companies like Bank of America and places like Costco, a bunch of places are relaxing their requirements, and it's not all about the piece of paper anymore for a lot of these places. Which I feel like when you hear this, I never really thought it was that big a deal, because I don't really think about a specific, I guess I just don't, I assume that great companies are out there hiring great employees, regardless of very specifically a degree. So it surprises me to hear that this is, I guess, a formal statement that they're making to the public, which is this is no longer important to us. Yeah, we have an article on the site, college degree requirements were never as real as you thought by. I love the scare quote. By Derek McGill, and he makes that point that even though it was, you know, technically a checkbox on the form, that it was very much a negotiable checkbox, and that a lot of people treated it as non-negotiable. And that's just a mistake, because really, what they are going for is not the college degree itself, but the value creation ability that it signals, that it may signal. But if you can signal it in other ways, that's really what they care about. Yeah, I think that that might even be the difference that we're seeing, or kind of the evolution that we're seeing is that nowadays, I mean, college degrees were kind of one of the only ways back before the internet. I mean, your college degree was one of the few ways you could kind of signal your value and how you've achieved this goal. You could prove that you were serious about actually setting your mind toward a goal and seeing it all the way through. Yeah, and that you have, I mean, I guess there are different, we'll get into kind of the different purposes of what that means, the degree, but I think that now, especially with just access to communication, how easy it is to, I guess, just access information now, it's way easier to show, just demonstrate your work, demonstrate your work in a way that I think is freeing for people. It definitely is for us. It's much easier to see people's work experience and actually validate kind of what they're or confirm what they've done from a hiring standpoint now with the internet. And AJ, you actually do hire at fee. Yeah. You were telling us before we started here that you actually don't necessarily look at the college degree as the end all be all for applicants. Yeah, especially in the work that we do in fees in person programs, we just, I know that I know the kind of work we're looking for. And a degree is really, really important. Obviously we care about economics, we care about philosophy, we care about politics. But I think that ultimately we really, we look for people that have proven that they work hard. And I think that it also speaks to, so when I, I guess when we hire people, we also look at, I think it's really cool. And I actually prioritize people who are, who may have done something like a gap year.  Because I think that to me represents that they are, they thought about their, the intention of their future. And that they actually have experience in the real world. And for a young person, that's so hard to find. Didn't you, you took a gap year? I took three or four gap years. Yeah. And I'm really glad that I did immediately after graduating high school by the skin of my teeth, I might add. I started taking a couple classes at a local community school. And I was just slipping into my habits of not going to class and skipping to maybe go to a party or something. And so I stopped twice that now that you've mentioned parties on this. Well, it's, we're talking about college, aren't we? So I decided to stop enrolling and I was working, I was working in retail and I had a whole, a whole life in those three or four years, a lot of experience and a lot of fun I might add. And then after a couple of years of being out in the world, I figured out what I was interested in, which was politics and economics. And as soon as I figured that out, I did a little bit of research and I found out that public policy as a degree had a low, or relatively low unemployment rate. And so I was like, Oh, done, I'll study that. And I went back to school. And in my experience, I found that people who take a gap year or two or three also get a lot of value out of college, a lot more value than other people do because they know exactly what they they're going for. They're really trying to extract as much value from the college experience. There's more intentionality to me in the gap year, I guess, approach is that you know why you're doing what you're doing. You actually have to think about it. You have to think about what goals you're trying to achieve as an adult in the future. And I wish more young people took gap years. I wish that it was more socially acceptable to to take that time. Yeah, I think it is becoming more socially acceptable, right? Because I mean, just like Marianne was explaining, you know, people are choosing to do this now because they see their friends, they see their relatives, they see other people who are taking the opportunity not to go directly into the next stage of life, right? Well, at the time, it was the height of the recession. And so I had a lot of friends who were graduating from high school, and they weren't finding jobs, they were getting their degrees, and then they were like, Okay, well, I guess I'll go work a customer service job. And I should clarify, you know, when I said going into the next stage of life, it's almost as if there's a path that everyone has that is identical for each person. It's almost like the game of life, you know, that was probably made sometime in the 40s or the 50s.  Yeah. And in the game of life, it's just one path. It's one path that everyone goes on. But now we're discovering that exactly it's not a conveyor belt. There are just so many more opportunities now with the internet where you can actually not only learn, but you can demonstrate through web projects or putting your portfolio online or or doing other types of projects that are so much more visible to potential employers. The possibilities are so much different than before, where all you had was either a piece of paper in a frame above your desk, if you had a desk, a diploma, and a resume. It's so much different than it was. And our education, entrepreneurship education director, T.K. Coleman, when we had him on the podcast, he talked a lot about the different ways that you can signal, especially like Anne Jane, you were mentioning that with the internet, it's so much easier to, you know, it's not just artists who have portfolios now. Like all sorts of professionals can have portfolios. When I when I apply to fee, I mean, I'm a program manager and I had a website and that's and that's a really cool way to show. Yeah, what you can do. Yeah.  But one of the best reasons, in my opinion, is to begin your career right now. And we've actually had an article about that recently on our website talking about not waiting four years, but actually just jumping into work life right after high school. Right, right. Yeah. Because really, it's a matter of getting your foot in the door. And there's lots of ways to do that. And so and it's not just putting out a signal in into the in general, but it's about signaling to particular candidates, particular business partners that you want to work with. So you can offer a value proposition. You can offer to work for free. You can say, hey, I noticed your Facebook presence is is a little bit minimal. And I could build that out for you. I can help you. I can actually do something. Our friends at Praxis, for whom T. K. Coleman also works and co-founder and Derek McGill, who wrote the piece that Dan mentioned earlier. They talk about actually demonstrating for no charge that you can actually add value to an employer that you want to work for. That's how I got my foot in the door here at fee. I started off by volunteering and then I did a couple of internships and then I never left and you guys never noticed. And all of this is based on what what economist Brian Kaplan calls the signaling model of higher education. So there's just basically a debate. There's there's the signaling model which we've been talking about versus the human capital model where a lot of people think that what higher education really is about is the you know the skills and the expertise. The raw education you get in the classroom. Right, right. But but there's an argument that it really it is about signaling. Let's take a step back real quick because that's kind of a word we use sometimes in the colloquium in our daily lives but we don't necessarily use it in the way maybe that you're describing it Dan. What do you mean exactly by signaling? So he gives an analogy. He says that there's two ways to raise the value of a diamond. One of them is you get an expert Jem Smith to cut the diamond perfectly to make it a wonderful diamond. That adds value by making the stone objectively better like human capital in the education context. The other way you get a guy with an eyepiece to look at it and go oh yeah yeah this is great it's wonderful flawless. Then he puts a little sticker on it saying triple a diamond that signaling the jewel is the same but it's certified. So it's a the certification that you have value. Yes. Well I see I feel like that's a little bit I mean perhaps I'm wrong and misunderstanding with the signaling I guess the signaling model is but it that's a to me that's a little reductionist because I think that signaling it is important when I think signaling especially in education sense I think this is signaling to an employer or to an individual that the person who earned that degree achieved a goal that's what signaling means to me is that they achieved a goal. So it's still signaling something it's signaling that you achieved a goal not necessarily that you improved your human capital. Does that make sense? Yes and I think there's something to that that like dropping out of college versus actually sticking to it and finishing it. You know that that shows how much stick to it if someone has and how much diligence they have and patience and discipline and so there's definitely something to that but is that as valuable as sticking to an actual work an actual marketplace type project where you're actually serving customers and trying to satisfy customers or including the customer of a boss and arguably that's more important. So I often have an example a thought experiment so like you could think of college as an obstacle course. Now imagine that you are a baseball manager of a team in major leagues and for some reason all of the candidates for your team they've never actually played baseball. They've only actually done obstacle courses. Now some people do better at obstacle courses some some people get through them really fast.  You would choose the people that did the obstacle course the fastest and strongest. Yeah but that doesn't mean that the obstacle course is the best preparation for becoming a baseball and that opens up the mention of another concept called sunk cost fallacy which is maybe you've started college maybe you've started the obstacle course to go along with your analogy and you realize at some later point maybe halfway through three quarters of the way through 90% of the way through it's no longer going to be the best way for you to achieve your goals. Is it good for you to say well I've gotten this far I might as well continue or is it appropriate for then you to say well you know I did get 70 way 70% of the way in but it's not actually productive for me to continue this I should begin my career you know do the other thing that that I need to do valuably and it's okay then to say you know I put this much into it time to go yeah and it also gives you an insight into the think thought process of hirers like Google and Apple and why before that they had those checkboxes because it's just an easy filtering mechanism it's like okay well for whatever reason everybody's just doing the obstacle course at this age and so well it's just easier it just filters out as many people as possible if we just say like okay you have to have actually finished the obstacle course and had a certain kind of time on it in order to for us to even consider you right but if some people buck the trend and didn't listen to the the the gospel that everyone has to go to the obstacle course that everyone has to do college and and actually played baseball during during that time and you show them like look I've actually thing that you want right then then you're gonna give them a chance of course and in reality I think that there is kind of a commitment on the part of the manager baseball manager in this analogy being like an employer for example they put in more time trying to find that person right because the obstacle course is kind of a preset something you can just check off a box and so the I guess the the input that you're making as a manager or a an employer is that you are you're taking more time to find that person but in reality might end up with a with a higher quality employee right or baseball player well and so college isn't all that bad right there are reasons for it to exist and there are reasons for people to go through college and finish it right not only to show they are their tenacious right but also that they did it for a particular valuable reason each one of us went to college I personally believed my time in college was spent well so there are valuable things yeah with college sure there's a lot of reasons to go there's the signaling aspect the getting the degree maybe you want to pursue medicine or something like that in which case I'm fine with you going to college but you don't want a college dropout treating your your burns that seems to speak to me more to the human capital argument I mean maybe that's not it doesn't quite fit but the idea that like medical school for example that is like you do have to go to medical school to learn things are skills yeah to learn how to put a needle in like that that's that is important so even then like how do we know because part of it is government intervention that there's a government backed cartels with with med medical school and law school that are involved and and you have to wonder like okay is it the proper balance of classroom time versus actual experiment experience like would would these people as opposed to reading about setting bones in a classroom like actually apprenticing with with doctors earlier on you know would would those be more trustworthy it's the way it used to be when you look at various historical accounts of individuals for instance people in colonial era of the united states in many cases it said that they read law and when it said that they read law it didn't necessarily mean that they went to a law school because that was probably not only exceptional at the time but maybe unheard of but they actually apprenticed for a lawyer who taught them the ropes right they probably apprenticed for doctors who taught them how to set bones how to do other things so this notion of institutionalized education is fairly new for many careers I think people would argue that I don't want I don't want someone who apprenticed under a specific doctor to be my doctor I want to know he went to Johns Hopkins right and got this specific degree because I better than learning from John Hobbs himself yeah that's the thing is um I think that there it takes a lot more it puts a lot more of the and this could be good or bad it puts a lot more of the onus on the consumer of that medical good or service to pursue that pursue some sort of quality check on what I think there's also a crowding out effect too because like to the extent that we have these government backed credentialing systems that it prevents the rights of private credentialing systems that that would take some of that burden off of the consumer well and the fact that someone's employed for instance by Emory University Hospital is also credential in and of itself right and so how did they go through the hiring process did they necessarily need to have an md in order to get that job yeah well the other reality is we're not all going to school to be doctors people are going to school to study things that they don't necessarily have to spend a lot of money on a four-year education for but we're talking about the other reasons there are there are plenty of reasons I personally was able to remake myself in a way college was a fresh start for me to leave my bad habits from high school behind and like I mentioned I barely I barely graduated from high school but I was a four-point of student in college because I cared and I had that opportunity to start fresh and I was surrounded by study abroad and you guys participate in like the fun for American studies like really cool things yeah my question is that as compared to high school that was better because there was more independence oh yeah but but what if what if you had even more more independence where you are just went into the market like it would have been less gradated of a transition but may but would the greater independence earlier been an even greater benefit for you to spread your wings it's it's entirely possible I hated high school I which is why I was such a bad student is that I skipped a lot and I had if I'd had the opportunity to study what I was interested in earlier then yeah it might have been a shift earlier on and so we're talking about the independence associated with college over high school but what are some of the other benefits well I think independence is also an important thing to talk about when it comes to young people when you're talking about people whose frontal lobes have not closed you got like really I think you've got almost I mean the risks are really high for success and failure and so I think that some people perceive college and this could be again right or wrong but perceive it as almost like a keeping a keeping pen for your young person until they become fully formed sort of the green room before the show of adult yes yeah exactly it's it's very to me it's like the consequences I mean they are they are meaningful but the consequences are lower right to failure but I I wonder if the cause and effect is reversed here because I wonder if why we feel that these holding pens are even beneficial is because we've sort of kept them in a prolonged adolescent period well that's for sure yeah I kind of think of it as sort of like a a coddling sort of vicious spiral it's like that a lot of parents use the very their immaturity as an excuse well they're not ready to have responsibility so they don't give them responsibility but that's exactly what makes them irresponsible in the first place yeah I mean yeah the idea my dad said when I graduated college he was like I'm not paying for anything you go out and he's like you got to earn your like every everything he's like you're it's all you you are out in the world put me out to the wolves and I think that that alone pushed me to yeah just do everything by the age of 22 have you know full-time job all that stuff insurance car blah blah blah and it's I think that it is kind of the idea that you just you give someone their independence I do think that's important when but I don't know I don't know how that works for everyone but I guess that's a greater question your mileage varies right yeah I think another benefit of college for me at least and on the any other educational programs that I've undertaken has been the networking the social capital that I've built and so hopefully in a maybe ideal sense or maybe even a normal sense when you go to a college program you meet people who then you are not thrown out to the wolves you actually do have a network of people who you can talk to who can reference you who can you know help you be introduced to other people that's valuable and there are a few places that you can get that college is a good one is a very good one one limitation of the networking in college is the fact that everyone is so similar in age and that's exactly the least likely person that you can benefit from in terms of networking is someone who's exactly at the same period of life as stage of life as you are because you what have you to offer not as much to exchange because you're sort of at the same level right right whereas with with someone with an older and a younger person meeting each other you know there's the the older person can help the younger person by giving them opportunities and the younger person can help the older person by giving them leadership experience yeah but you're not only talking in the network to the person in your class you're also talking to people they know so there's that benefit as well so obviously in college aside from sort of the missed time that you have from not launching your career which we'll talk about there are a lot of different considerations around cost and this is actually a big problem in our politics today in society is the amount of student loan debt that households have and this is becoming a bigger and bigger proportion of the amount of debt that is held by individuals that's right 43 million americans hold student loan debt to the tune of one let's see where is it 1.5 trillion trillion and a half that's an average of 37 thousand dollars for the average graduate from year 2016 which is the year i graduate and i'll tell you that number is about right it really does prompt the question when you look at the cost versus the benefit is college worth it yeah because we talk a lot about the value of entrepreneurship and we have an article by zack sleighback that talks about how that burden of debt really puts a damper on entrepreneurship because it makes you less likely to want to take chances in in your career it's like you you can't like start start your own business when you have that kind of burden it's like you've got if you especially if you went to law school you just got to become a lawyer right away like you've got to get into the right the traditional profession that you train pay back your student loans and in most cases student loans will not be forgiven if you file for bankruptcy so you might be saddled with that debt some people it's to the tune of a hundred thousand dollars and that's for life it's not going away as you pay it they're saying it's contributing to risk aversion which is actually contributing to like a lack of innovation yes well that's a no I never thought about that so I think the debt has to be we have to go we have to talk by the other side of the coin though in that college graduates compared to high school graduates are more likely to make money according to the social security administration men with bachelor's degrees earn approximately nine hundred thousand dollars more based on median lifetime earnings than their high school counterparts and for women it's a difference of about six hundred and thirty thousand dollars and that's that's not jump change that's a lot of that's over an entire career that's that's over the course of your entire life at the median I've heard yeah I've heard about like a million people throw around at least like when I was in high school getting ready for college they threw around that number it's like you're gonna make a million more dollars yeah but actually I have a bone to pick with those data because that is not our generation and that's certainly not generation z either right I mean these are people for whom the internet did not exist so I think it's I think it's gonna be very yeah I think you are you're highlighting a very I mean a very serious point that we have to consider we can't even see really how yeah how things like the internet affect what this means and there is a self-selection aspect to college and might even say success in general the people who have the most ambition who are the most motivated maybe they're the ones who are more like who are most likely to go to universities absolutely right in in a world in which everybody believes in the obstacle course yeah then the people who are the have the most gumption have the most intelligence have the most industry they are going to be the ones who finish the obstacle course and who get the higher earnings and so as compared to the people who who failed who who believed in the obstacle course but failed at it then of course that there's going to be that discrepancy but when you consider people who don't believe in the obstacle course who could have succeeded if they if they had done it but don't believe in it and went alternate routes then you you don't you can't expect them to just earn really low wages like i think that they'll learn more here's my question this kind of i want to circle back to like how i perceive signaling model as working and as valuable to me um of what a college degree means is that it does say but let's say you do have somebody whether or not you believe in the obstacle course you should be able to complete it right i mean that's the argument and so they're saying that if it's valuable you should you should be able to the college degree signals that however you did it you achieved that goal so that could be you're really good at schmoozing with professors or you're really good at cheating or you're really good at finding other other students who know what they're doing it's about how you solve this problem and so i think that that's why it it is it matters to me like i see it as important that it's a signaling model yeah yeah winning that game yeah choose to play it is a good signal as opposed to losing that game but is this the right game yeah so you're saying that we really shouldn't live in a world you want people to be able to question the game yeah question the obstacle course interesting well and so on our sister podcast words and numbers we actually had a conversation on this recently where Antony and James did summarize or add the various costs associated with a higher education today and then you've got some of those numbers on hand yeah so the average four year currently average per year for a four year institution for public it's ten thousand dollars a year for private it's thirty five thousand dollars and this is tuition and fees so thirty five for private schools on average and ten for public schools on average right um and that's not county books or anything like that right right no that that is count well that no that's just tuition and fees okay yeah so the average college student spending several hundred dollars on books each semester right so you have to add that uh but even more importantly that's not counting opportunity cost and the average starting salary that someone could expect if they went right what's an opportunity cost just yes so the opportunity cost is what you could have got if you if you hadn't taken that path yeah okay so whatever you're doing whatever you could have been doing otherwise that's the value that you're talking about right whatever you're foregoing and what what a lot of people are foregoing is the starting salary of twenty eight thousand dollars a year and so when you add that to it private school attendees are paying a quarter of a million dollars for their education when you factor in opportunity costs and public schools are paying like forty forty thousand dollars and that is just a huge huge investment and so it's really important to make sure that it's actually worth it so it's forty thousand dollars for the public school plus another hundred or so given the starting salary of a college graduate right so you said two hundred fifty thousand dollars opportunity cost that you'd be missing out on if you went to a private school but in a public school context it's the forty for the tuition and fees plus another hundred or so for the starting salaries that you'd be missing no forty includes the opportunity cost oh it does I'm sorry 152 is the inclusive opportunity cost got it got it yeah so there is though a correlation between employment rates and degrees I mean you might argue that this is from people who've already graduated so the impact on Gen Z it's we can't necessarily say but for a high school diploma the unemployment rate in 2017 was four point six and then that goes down to four four percent for people with diplomas so it definitely has an impact you could decide for yourself whether or not that's a reason to go or not a causation or correlation is the question at that point like do we perpetuate the do we perpetuate the valuing of that or do we kind of try and break free or encourage like the next generation to break free from honoring the obstacle course yeah I don't know and so are you happy that you went to college I mean is this something that that we're looking back at and saying you know where we are today this was a good thing I just paid my student loan this month but I think largely I would say yes however before I'd even graduated my first my first unpaid internship was at a non-profit here in here in Atlanta Georgia and the work I was doing I was like I don't need my college experience for this I could have done this right out of high school so in that case maybe not as much I feel like I don't know yeah I mean I love like the social component I mean it did set me up in sort of like to have social skills that I feel like help contribute to my like my professional success it also that's where I discovered economics but I would say that yeah I wasn't built for school and I knew that like I knew that it was really really hard for me to do things like study and go to class and I just I was definitely way more built for the working world like for sure I'm way better at you know working in an office however that would have looked as a 19-year-old but I definitely was not built for school and I remember knowing that so I don't know yeah I I've written a blog post it's called I had to escape school to become a scholar because really that's what happened is that I actually became curious about the world of ideas again like my as a little kid before school had kind of drilled it out of me I was really interested in all sorts of ideas but then it really wasn't until after I graduated that I started reading the newspaper and I realized I don't have any context to understand these stories and so then I started on my first autodidactic journey of teaching myself something I started diving into history books just starting from the ancient Sumerians and working my way forward of just trying to teach myself history so I could just understand the world that I was like entering finally so you knew how to read the newspaper but you didn't know how to tell what it meant exactly and that is that is the big question that's sort of one of the main pieces of value I think that we get from our working lives is that we actually get to practice these various things that we only learned in textbooks or on blackboards in schooling and this is the the story that you tell Dan is why you're such a keen proponent of this unschooling movement which is what you were working on learning about the Sumerians by yourself exactly and so obviously everyone's individual mileage will vary they're going to find value in school if that's what they're looking for they're going to find value in beginning their own business so don't take our stories as as parables why you shouldn't go to school but it's worth considering the costs both from a monetary sense and from an opportunity cost sense to know what you could be potentially missing out on and that's the whole point of this discussion is just sort of thinking critically about what the game of life or the obstacle course that's been set before us actually will do for us in our own lives and so with that unfortunately we're out of time we have to go back down and write more blog posts and stories and hold more seminars educating people about thinking through the economic lens but we'll see you next week on The FeeCast for now enjoy your weekends


Welcome to our special season finale of Frankly Forgotten, but to kick things off, what are we drinking? Uh, near dark, Czech dark lager. Finger licking good. Today we're going to do something a little bit different for our season finale, we thought we'd change it up and do our first ever Q&A episode. And uh, kind of surprised how many questions we got, I thought we'd maybe get one or two. And uh, kind of got a little overwhelming, but we uh, I think we're going to do most of them. Uh, some questions were the same as others, so we kind of combined them. So let's kick it off. So the first one comes to us from Jeremy V. He wants to know if there's ever an idea that we had for uh, a sequel for a horror franchise. I always wanted to see a prequel with Freddy Cougar before he gets killed. Right? And he's like abducting the kids and he's just Robert England and no makeup and probably still could even though he's older, but they don't really ever say how old he was. Really? Yeah. So he could still be an older guy. For me, I never really thought a whole lot about, you know, say, uh, like Michael Meyers or um, Jason, because they already kind of show back stories on them, right? That's another one I always wanted to see done is Halloween movie where Michael Meyers is the proper age that he's supposed to be. I always thought it'd be cool if this weird old guy is after you, right? Yeah. A strong old guy. That's what they did when they did so. Exactly. So yeah, that one did come to fruition. The next question is by Narl Sagan and he asked us, uh, what was the horror movie that scared us most? This one, we did do an episode on it. Yeah. So if you want to see the whole episode, we'll put the link up here. It's titled The Movies That Scared Us. Another one that we could mention is The Road. I think that's kind of for the both of us because that movie's so haunting and so scary in a realistic way, right? Yeah.  Shadow Alley Productions would like to know if we ever thought about making our own, like, horror movie short. He collects silicon masks and has a YouTube channel. You want to know if he shipped us one if we would make a horror movie using said mask? And I guess the answer would be yes. As long as the mask doesn't come from Silver Shamrock. So you may be seeing a horror short coming your way on this channel in the, I don't know, foreseeable future. I don't know. Maybe the next season, you never know. And actually it's been coming up more and more where me and Adam have been getting ideas. Yeah. We'll have a weird dream or something or we'll be doing something and it'll kind of spark. It's like, hey, that would be a decent idea for a horror movie.  It's funny because most of the time when I do have nightmares, I'm actually not scared of them.  But for me, it's like, actually, it's kind of fun. The next question is from Ferret78 and he asked if there was a year zero for us or when there was a year zero for us where we were watching horror movies and it kind of sparked our love interest in them and continued on from there. Yeah, that's a hard one because horror movies for me have always just been there. My dad was really into the universal horror and stuff like, you know, the old black and white movies into the monsters and stuff like that. So even stuff that isn't horror, like the monsters TV show and hilarious house of Frankenstein and even young Frankenstein, I watched a lot as a kid. And I think those kind of things catapulted me into the real horror. So then moved into the universal monsters and then you go into the 70 slashers and it just went from there. Yeah, for me, it was my mom. It was this almost the same kind of thing for me. Yeah, the horror movies is just mostly what we always watched. It was just kind of a normal thing. It's like, OK, well, it was just on and OK. So just sit down and watch it. It's kind of a normal thing. I remember like when we first met in 1989.  And then you kind of more were into the slashers and stuff like that. Right. Like, yeah, the Halloween tourist trap. Yeah. So it's like brought these two different styles of horror together. And like, then I got into the slashers because you were already into them. Right. Yeah. And I got into all the like the young Frankenstein stuff and the universal stuff because you remember you played with these toys. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to point over there, but you moved them. But yeah, so it is more of a fed off each other, really. Yeah. I hope I'm pronouncing this right. A Laramie Keeper sounds about right. Sure. He would like to know what was the first horror movie we ever saw and who were we with? I don't remember that. I have no clue because, like I said, they were just always there. But I think you remember. I actually do remember this one. And this was when we used to live in a small town and I was young. I don't know. I don't I can I can guess how old I was by the release of the movie. One of the biggest parts of the movie I remember, you probably know the movie right away is where the head is stuck in the vise and the tool shed. Yeah. Who is that? Evil Dead 2. That's right. And I watched it with my sister. The next question is by a tragedy mask. And he asks, what is the horror series or horror franchise that we would like to see continue? Yeah. Right. And in what direction do we want it to go? Yeah, I don't know. Like I don't need any more Halloween movies. Yeah. Don't need any more Friday the 13th movies. Nightmare on Elma Street would be nice to maybe no, because then Robert England's too old to do it. So I don't want to see somebody else playing that role. Again, I'd like to see more collector movies. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be pretty sweet. So maybe that, you know, of the collector, can it continue? There's supposed to be a third one coming out soon. Yeah. After the third one, I'm not sure what they could do. Who doesn't necessarily have to be the same guy? True. Yeah, it could just be another weirdo. Been so many rumors over the years about a possible hellraiser TV series coming out and all the stuff. But again, I'd only really want to see it if Clive Barker is at least involved in some some way. Yeah, yeah, but he'd have to be a big part. He can't just be like an executive producer and then not do anything. Like John Carpenter a lot of times. So I got come on. Annie Riggs would like to know if there's any kind of local ghost legends in our city. And yeah, there's there's a couple. There's a couple of famous ones. One that I'd like to mention is the Hamilton House, which is a famous haunted house. It's been featured on a couple of TV shows. There's that one show called Factor Faked. Famous pictures of the ectoplasm during a seance in the Hamilton House where the ectoplasms coming out of people's mouths during the seance. The author of Sherlock Holmes, you know, Arthur Conan Doyle, he traveled to the Hamilton House to do research because he was into that kind of stuff. Still there. It's like a chiropractor clinic right now or something like that. But that's enough to skid. You see the bill? The Fort Gary, right? Fort Gary Hotel, yeah. Yeah. Apparently you can't go in there asking for that room. Right. You can't ask for that room. They won't give it to you. If you happen to get it, then you will. Yeah. But then you might not even know that it is the room because the numbers have changed and everything. Another cool one is like the Windsor Hotel apparently is haunted too. Right. Like that goes way back. Yeah.  It was actually like at one time kind of a fancier hotel.  Like it's like almost condemned. But like Charlie Chaplin stayed at the Windsor Hotel. Yeah. It was like big on the vaudeville scene, right? Yeah. Winnipeg was actually kind of going off topic or whatever. Yeah. Winnipeg was actually a huge vaudeville town back in the day because it's right in the center of the country and all the train tracks all came through Winnipeg. So it was like, well, you know, if you're going to make a stop, you might as well stop at Winnipeg and do a show. And there was like tons. There was like at least five or six vaudeville houses at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Three Stooges did the vaudeville circuit here. You know, Charlie Chaplin. There's footage of Houdini hanging from the Winnipeg free press building upside down in a straight jacket, you know? Winnipeg wasn't really supposed to be the big town or it was supposed to be like Winnipeg Beach. Yeah. And then all those pictures, like all the people going swimming and everything. Wearing those hats. Those old swimming suits.  They must just weigh you down and look. He just sunk like a stone, didn't he? The next question for us was from Need Gore and he actually has his own YouTube channel as well. You can click the link above for it. What is our favorite movie outside of the horror genre? And this is a pretty easy one, I think, for both of us. Yeah. I know yours. Yeah. Big trouble, little China. Yeah. But my favorite movie that I'll probably watch because you're like in times and will continue to is Ghostbusters. Right. Yeah. Just while we're on the topic, your second would be Big Trouble? Probably. Yeah. It'd be like Big Trouble or Three Amigos, maybe, or something like that. Oh, yeah. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is up there pretty high. There's a few movies that are super close to our hearts that we both grew up watching together. Yeah. And that's probably one of the reasons you're so special is because we watched them together.  Ghostbusters. Yeah. We played Ghostbusters a lot. Yeah. We even played Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Yeah.  That's great, yeah. But let's play Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and hang ourselves. Let's play the hanging scene. The next question comes to us by Mr. Jack-O-Lanterns. And he wants to know, he has a few things, but we'll tackle one of them. He wants to know, what is our favorite feel-good movie? Right. And that kind of ties into the last question of it, because a lot of those movies are feel-good movies. That's a tough one. I didn't think of it until you mentioned it last night.  Yeah. And the whole movie to the build-up of that, right? That's great. Some of the movies you've mentioned before are kind of feel-good movies too, like Ghostbusters at the end, pretty few. I love this, Tyler. Ha, ha, ha. Yes. Big Trouble Little China, for me, was never really a feel-good movie. No, it's kind of not.  Exactly. Because the adventure is over. And he's like, ah, it's such a good movie. I wanted to keep going. You know, I don't want it to end. I don't want Jack to go away. And it ends kind of on a sad note, too. It's kind of sad. The music is sad. Any John Hughes movie, right? Yeah. Some kind of wonderful is really good. Yeah, that's kind of an underrated John Hughes movie. I like some kind of wonderful. The next question that was posed to us is by Patrick Doherty, and he asked us, what is one of the most highly regarded movies that we actually don't like? Yeah. Which is actually kind of an interesting question. For me, it'd be like a lot of people praise the dawn of the dead remake. I really don't like it.  I don't see it. OK, fine. Maybe you like them, but not more than the original. Because a lot of people say, oh, I was way better than the original. What are you looking at? What are you watching here, exactly? The next question comes to us by Jeff Lerne's Linux.  Neither am I. He'd like to know, where do we see, or where would we like to see the horror movie genre evolve to in the future? Or is the genre dead? That genre, this genre will never be dead. It's been around since the 30s. It was one of the first genres of movie ever, which is kind of, I've always found kind of neat that the first movies ever made were horror movies like that, 1910 Frankenstein and shit like that, right? Nosferatu. Yeah. I'd like to see horror movies get a bit more cerebral, like something you have to think about a bit more, like movies like Get Out. It's not just as plain as day. It's not just what you see is what you get. It's you gotta think about it and be more interesting. It's more introspective. Nowadays, it seems to be such a thing that you always gotta now pepper these horror movies with jokes, silly jokes. With the comedy, yeah. And but the comedy never works. It's like they just plunk it in. And it's not natural to the characters or anything, right?  So I'd like to see that go.   Yeah, I'd like to see horror movies go on a route where the genre is legitimately trying to terrify you. Right. It's not just about blood and guts and gore and fun kills or silly kills. I'd like to see a movie legitimately go out and try to like terrify a generation. Exactly, yeah. The next questions asked to us, we're gonna kind of combine two and one here. One is from Matthew Penrose and he asked us who we think is one of the best underrated slashers, right? And the next one that we're kind of combining is from Fulper and he asks us what a good solo movie is that we would like to see a sequel for. Yeah, and for me the answer for both questions is the same. Yeah. Underrated slasher that also needs a sequel. For me it would be, it was two of them. I'd love to see Dr. Giggles. Too late now, Larry Drake is dead, but I would have loved to have seen a Dr. Giggles sequel where he's all burned up from the first movie because he gets in that fire. He's all bubbly and everything. I'd like to see him like maimed and wearing the surgical mask out killing again. That'd be pretty cool. And also would have loved to have seen a My Bloody Valentine sequel. Dustin Brainbridge asked us what our favorite horror villain is, Conalor Copper and from Halloween 3. Yeah, I think, I do think maybe Swan though deserves. He's pretty badass. Yeah, I like Swan. He also wanted to know what our favorite horror movie protagonist is, Dan Chalice from Halloween 3. Yeah, he gets the babe. Cause he's just perfect like every man, every day type of guy who just gets put in a situation and for the most part, stops a bad guy. Right, yeah. The next question is from Gonzalo Valdez and he wants to know if we ever watched The Monster Vision with the Joe Bob Briggs. Joe Bob Briggs. Joe Bob Briggs. And well, it's kind of easy for us to answer that, which I know nobody wants to hear, but the answer is no. The only reason being is, I don't think we got that station here. Like I'm sure if you had satellite or something back in the day, you probably would have got, I think it was on the Turner Network or something like that. But no, we didn't even have that station to watch Monster Vision with Joe Bob Briggs. And it's kind of weird cause, you know, when the internet started coming out and we started doing the research on horror movies and stuff like that. Of course, Monster Vision comes up all the time as being like a classic show. And like, well, I never, you know, and then I kind of got into this Joe Bob Briggs guy and watched some segments and stuff and I kind of wish I would have had that. And I didn't realize that he is also like, I thought that he was just a host. And he actually didn't have, you know, didn't know if he actually had love for horror movies or not, if it was just a gig for him, right? But no, it seems like he's a legitimately like knowledgeable horror movie fan too. So, you know, if it was around, for sure we would have watched it. I don't have shutter, I don't think you do either. So last drive in, I believe is on shutter with Joe Bob Briggs, so we don't watch that either. The next question comes to us from the Manitoba Money Shot, our friend here in Winnipeg, Ron Moore, would like to know, is there any favorite horror movie books that we've read? I'm not super into horror novels. I know you are more so than me. I've mostly read sci-fi and biographies.  Yeah, yeah. Legion 2, Borgie Legion, I liked Legion. I thought it was really good and I thought it was like very close to, well, the movie was very close to the book. Besides the ending. Yeah, of course, yeah. That's super Hollywood stamp, right? But one thing I did like about the ending of the movie better than the book is, because the book is kind of anticlimactic for Legion. In the movie when Karris is able to kind of get the demon out of him for long enough to get Kinderman to shoot him and he looks up at him and he's like, shoot me, shoot me now. I liked that part and that wasn't in the book and to me that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. It's a good way to end the movie.    I've read a lot of horror books, like a lot of Anne Rice, a lot of Stephen King, but really for me, the classics are some of the best. And I know it sounds like a cliche but one of my favorite books is Dracula.  I also read the Amityville horror and that movie, I far more prefer the movie. The movie for me was way more believable. Some books that I remember enjoying when I was younger and tried rereading and didn't like them so much actually was one of the Anne Rice novels. Oh yeah. Because I got into those in like junior high, high school, red, you know, not all of them, but most of them like, you know, interviewed the vampire through to, I think, tale of the body theme. And I tried rereading Vampire Lestat recently and I thought I couldn't get two chapters in.  I remember loving that book and then like, just the way it's written seems kind of childish. Anne Rice is kind of weird for me because I find that I'll get maybe halfway through her books and then I'll put the book down and I won't pick it up for like two months or something. And then after it's like the thin layer of dust, it's like, oh yeah, I gotta finish it because I'm already invested. So yeah, yeah, I see what you mean.  I've been really getting to like certain graphic novels lately, like I collect a lot of the, most of the new Ghostbusters comics by IDW.  I'm kind of hooked on those Ghostbusters comics. Yeah, those are the ones you bore to me, right? Yeah, they're like, it's so faithful to the movie and they also include stuff that happened in like the cartoon and they all make it canon in a smart way, you know? Yeah, they do a really good job. When you bored those two of me, I was pretty skeptical actually and I was like, yeah, okay. But yeah, no, I thought the same things.  Yeah, they're really good. So yeah, that's it. I think that's the end of our first ever Q&A episode and the end of season four from Frightfully Forgotten. It went by quick. It did, yeah, had a lot of fun.  It's, I'm glad we were able to keep it going and it never got so bad where we had to like, stay isolated and we couldn't shoot episodes. We were able to plunge through it.  You guys weren't watching and commenting. We wouldn't keep doing this thing.  Exactly. But there's enough of you guys out there watching and commenting that make it worthwhile and. And it's appreciated too, you know? All the viewers and you know, we have a couple of patrons on Patreon. So I really appreciate you guys and we do have a special New Year's episode coming your way that's gonna bridge the gap between this episode and the beginning of season five. That's right. We will actually have a new segment that we'll be debuting in season five. I'm not gonna say what it is yet, but we shot the intro for it yesterday and put it this way, we had to climb into a BFI bin to do it. Well, we're willing to go the extra mile.


Hey guys, it's Jen from iCrateCrafts. In this video, I will be showing you how to create these DIY Valentine's Day mugs creating details using my Cricut machine and some red mugs that I purchased from the dollar store So easy and yet so inexpensive, but looks so cute. Now. Let's get started All right, so I'm starting in design space and I pulled up these images already this cute little gnome guy I purchased him from design bundles and then these ones I bought quite a few years ago I'm not honestly sure where I got them from it was either design bundles or even Etsy But I pulled this one in because I thought it would be kind of cute to go with the gnome So I'm just gonna take this double arrow and make it a little bit smaller So I can kind of go next to it and I was thinking of giving it just a little bit of a curve Unfortunately, I only have three red mugs that I bought from the dollar store That's all that they had at the time So I'm going to be working with just three of them and I think My favorite definitely is this little guy this little gnome and the be mine So I think I'm gonna make two of these and then I'll make one of these and I'll show you what I'm gonna do with this in a minute So I'm gonna actually duplicate this one. So I have it selected I'm gonna hit the duplicate button and it's gonna be over here. So I think I'm gonna put it up at the top maybe So I'll have one down at the bottom and then one at the top. I think that is super cute But the only thing I have to do is I'm gonna see if I can maybe I Don't know if I could like attach it here Maybe you can still see the E and make it a lot easier to weed things out I can see here. It's touching a little bit. So I think I'm actually gonna leave it just like that so the next thing you want to do is You can change the color obviously I think since my mugs are red I think I might keep one black and then I might do one a white color But the next thing I'm gonna do is select both images the be mine and the gnome And I'm gonna weld it and the reason I welded it instead of attached is because if you ever cut anything out That was attached like this and it wasn't a welded you will see the little cut marks in between each one of these pieces So your best bet is to weld it So I'm gonna go ahead and do this one too right away just in case I forget to do it later So I have both images selected. I'm gonna go to weld so these are both connected So the last thing I want to do is just change the color.  So the next one I'm going to do is this exo exo and then the lips So these are two separate ones, but I'm like this is really cute But it needs something else so I went and I found these lips in my uploaded section So I'm gonna put these together and I was thinking on maybe Turning them a little bit. So with them both selected. I'm just gonna give it a little bit of a curve And I think I might shrink these up a little bit. You know me that big a lips, right? I'm gonna put this there. My only concern is The little lines in between here of trying to weed those out So I'm trying to make it so it's just a little bit bigger that it might be a little bit easier for me to weed out So I'm gonna turn this maybe a little bit more, but I definitely like these this guy Like I said, I'm not exactly sure where I got it Maybe design bundles a year ago or so. So I'm in love with these three I'm actually gonna delete this one because I'm not gonna worry about that one Okay, so the last thing for this is I want the X's and the O the X's and the lips to be the same color So to do that you can tell that this is already all attached together I'm gonna go up to the ungroup box up here and I'm hit the ungroup button So I'm gonna take the X the two X's I'm gonna hold down the command button So I've got I have both X's here and I'm gonna change it to Let's see. I think this is the red color of the lips. So that should be the same So It's gonna cut out these two separately and then these two separately. I'm excited to see how that's gonna turn out Like with the vinyl. Yeah, it must that she wants to see how the lips are gonna turn out So the last part on this is I'm not gonna attach anything because if I do it's gonna change the lips differently I'll show you what I mean So if I select both of these and I go down to the attach button It does that so I'm not gonna do this I'm gonna go ahead and push the back button and I'm gonna leave it the way it is So the two X's are gonna cut out with the red lips And then the two O's are gonna cut out with the black part here So I'm finished with this actually, you know what I'm jumping the gun I need to resize this so the way I resize mine and figure out the sizes of my stuff As I just take a green mat and I hold it up to whatever I'm doing So I'm gonna grab my green mat right now while we're doing this And I'm gonna hold it up to my mug and see how big I want it and looking at my mug. Unfortunately, it's not The same dimension going up and down. It's kind of smaller at the bottom and bigger at the top So I'm just gonna actually hold my mat up to it and it's about let's see Almost a four So I'm gonna do three and a half by three and a half and see what that looks like So with the selected I'm gonna go up to the unlock box up here and then just type in 3.5 By 3.5 and we'll see what that looks like. Oh, not too bad. That's pretty cute So I'm gonna do the same thing with this unlock it 3.5 By 3.5 and then we're gonna switch and do this one. So we're gonna unlock it and then change it to 3.5 By the 3.5 And I had this trouble with the last video. It's unlocked and it keeps changing on me for some reason I'm not sure. Does anybody know why it does that? It's unlocked, but it still changes my number So watch I do it and I'll change it again I'll stop See it's unlocked here and it still wants to do it. Sorry guys learn with me Kind of tell me what I'm doing wrong if you guys know, but it's unlocked and it keeps changing. Here we go Okay, finally So this together is the three and a half by three and a half These are two set for two the three and a half by all means Please measure your mugs because your mugs might be different size than mine So I wish I was able to buy more of these but they only had the three at the dollar store So I'm going to work with these three. So this is finished The only thing I have to do since I resized it recolored it is go to the make it button And then it's going to show me what their preview preview looks like which is amazing. I love it So here's the two O's that we were cutting out I'm going to move this a little bit further away from each other that I can get my scissors in between here And then here are my lips and my X and my O so I'm going to Give it a little bit of space in between So I'm going to start with the white one I'm going to go to the continue button And then it's going to ask me what material I want to set at So I'm just using regular oracle 651 the permanent vinyl So these are my favorites that I had favorited and I always use this stencil vinyl here And I don't know. I think my Blade is really dull So I actually go to the pressure here and I do more because Sometimes it doesn't cut all the way through to my vinyl so you can either replace your Blade or you can just try the pressure for right now I'm just doing more pressure to see if that does it which has been working for me I'm just trying to troubleshoot things instead of going out and buying a new one So I'm going to cut this out I'll weed it out and then I'll show you the next step of putting it onto your mug So I started the X O X O on here And I kind of went up higher for the X down a little bit lower for the O up high for the X and down for the O And I was going to wait to show you the mouth. So here's the mouth piece and for the red I actually use the h tv. I'm sorry. I use the glitter vinyl um, so this is A little holographic and then a little bit of glitter And then I also have this guy the little gnome and I have this part So I was doing all of it in white as you remember, but this white was really bad I don't know what kind of vinyl I have for but I need to get rid of it It was so hard to weed so my be mine didn't cut out So I cut this out in red as well So, um, I'm just taking a piece of transfer tape That I already had cut out and I'm just going to put it on top of the lips here I'm going to use my squeegee And work really hard and push really hard on this to get The file off and I always like to work upside down to make sure I get all the pieces off And then I'm going to take the mouth kind of line it up where I want it So I'm going to put this kind of maybe on an angle a little bit Doesn't have to be perfect because it's the way you want to do it So there that one is I'm just going to use my fingers and get the bubbles and stuff out of here And then once you got it on you just want to peel back your transfer tape slowly To make sure that nothing comes off And one thing I did say when it was on slow mo is wash your um cups your mugs first I used some alcohol and some paper towel and I I wiped it really well to clean it And I actually washed these in the dishwasher before I did this So I'm just gonna piece of transfer tape stuck there. So this one is finished the xoxo And then also this one that be mine. I really do love this I was kind of hesitant on doing black on red for valentine's day, but I actually really do like this one So I just have one more left here Here's the white guy the white gnome with the be mine. So I'm just going to finish him really quick So I'm going to take a piece of transfer tape and cut it off I just use this contact transfer tape and it's less expensive and it's not as sticky because I don't need it to be too sticky So I'm just going to cut a piece off of here Kind of guesstimate how big I need it And then just take the edge off Which sometimes it gives me problems There we go.  I like to flip it upside down See if any pieces come off perfect and then because we're working with a curved surface One thing I like to do is actually take my scissors and just cut I'm actually going to trim away all of this extra here But one thing I like to do is just go in And cut little notches in here and then that will help you be able to You know push this and get it on properly rather than it being one big piece because It's round it's a rounded surface So that's just a little tip you can do it or you don't have to do it But it just makes it a little bit easier if you just give it a little bit of Little notches in between here making sure that you're not nicking your file itself So once you've got it where you want it or how you have it Just going to want to place it on here and kind of eyeball it where you want it to go You don't want to make you want to make sure it's not so close to the handle kind of more in the middle, maybe But I'm just going to place it right here And then I'm going to work my way down And then here's where the little notches come in handy Now you can push it each way And the transfer tape will give a little bit more than it would if it was just flat So I'm just going to take it and I'm trying not to get any Bubbles or any wrinkles in here So I'm just taking it and pushing it with my fingers and it feels pretty good I don't think I have any bubbles in here But you never know until you peel it off So once you get it on really well take your time and push it on You want to take back your transfer tape And this is a little bit more difficult if you do cut it because it's going to be in pieces now But just take your time and pull it back Make sure you don't pull any of your design up Oh, I like this one better It's a much cuter one. It's white So one thing I can see already is there is a few bubbles down here I don't know if that shows up on camera But the way I like to do is just take your weeder And carefully go under where you were just where your bubbles are And lift it up gently without pulling your Or ripping your file So that's fixed there Or another way if you have more than just a little bit there Is you can take a hairdryer on low heat Go over it and be careful with your fingers because it's hot and just push it and that will push the bubble out As well. That's why I also do it too. So this one is finished with the gnome Now we just have The be mine part I really love so I'm just going to take another piece of transfer tape that I had here previously And then just go over it with the scraper again And then again, I like to work backwards Make sure I get everything off because see if I pull I can see it. I didn't get that piece So just makes it easier for me That's pretty too. The way it is. Hey, so just find the front and this one. I'm not too worried about um Cutting the sides of it. So you just want to figure out where you want to put it I think I'm going to put it where did I put that one? So I put this one up in the left hand corner So I might Put this I kind of like it down here I think I'll put it right next to him right here Then again, just take it and smooth it with your finger There These are so simple and so fun to make I sold quite a few last year at the store that I sell up the street So I'm going to be making some more of these and trying to sell them there So then when you're finished you just peel back And it is done. Look at that. I love that one. I hope that shows up But that's really pretty how that is there. So it should be a great gift for anybody Or valentine's gift for somebody or like I said, if you're going to try to sell it I would let this cure for you know 24 to 48 hours Let the Vine I'll be able to set to your cup and I would put instructions in here as well to Kind of tell people wash it by hand. Don't put it in the dishwasher I know people say that they can put it on the top rack But I've done that and it just comes off So I always like to leave a little note on the inside saying hand wash only don't put in the dishwasher Don't put in the microwave Um, but that's what I do So I love how these turned out if you guys did please give me a thumbs up and hit that subscribe button If you're not subscribed already as I have many more valentine's day things Um, I did quite a few already So if you want to go back and check those out, but I really love how these turned out I like the white one a little bit better because you can see it more But also here is the xoxo in the mouth and I love how these turned out So please hit that subscribe button if you haven't already and happy crafting everyone


So we've been going around to Congress today to different offices in the Senate to demand a ceasefire and an end for U.S. support to Israel's brutal massacre, the genocide in Gaza. The House has approved over $14 billion in additional funding for Israel on top of the over $3 billion we provide every year and these offices it's a lot of the same. They're telling us people aren't in, there's nothing they can do, they'll pass along the message. What more do they need to hear? Two-thirds of this country want a ceasefire, 80% of Democrats want a ceasefire and the head of the Foreign Relations Committee in the Senate, who's a Democrat, will not speak up for a ceasefire, Chuck Schumer won't speak up for a ceasefire. How many more people do they need to hear? There are people in all sorts of other offices right now as we speak and we're just telling them nobody trusts you guys, you don't represent us, we all want a ceasefire, we want no more blood on our hands.  And you know a lot of these senators and representatives claim they support Palestinians because they want a humanitarian pause, it's really important we stay focused on the goal of a ceasefire because a humanitarian pause means they'll let in a tiny bit of food, a tiny bit of water and then go back to relentlessly bombing and committing genocide in Gaza. We want a ceasefire, we want an end to all U.S. military aid to Israel, we want a total ends to the siege on Palestine and those are our demands.


All right guys welcome back. It's Fausto again with part 3 about how to use the book viewer on Nasdaq and how to compare it to other Platforms that are out there. I mean book viewers not the only platform out there But it is the most popular one So a lot of people like to get it and review it if you see them some of my other videos You probably notice that we we really stress using the book viewer because this is where the level 3 is It's where the market makers are this way they place all the orders Actually, it's where you see a lot of the high frequency trading and if you haven't noticed watching New York Stock Exchange It's really nobody down there anymore. Everything is electronic now So the question is where are these orders are where they coming from? So what we're looking at right now is we're looking at the book viewer And if you notice from part 2 that I just did I kind of showed you how to come or Customize it and how I like it and how you should be viewing it and most importantly what we should be focusing on on what's called the iceberg orders on the On the book viewer now what I have over here. I'm going to bring this over here on the left So can you just give me a second put this over here and I'm going to bring over a Platform that's pretty popular we use here at Cybertrain University. It's called the The trade station platform and you're looking at the new version of 10.0 And I want to kind of like compare and show you a little bit of how we utilize it because I want to use the charts on The on the trade station platform and I want you to compare their book viewer verse How what they call their matrix version of it now once again, let me just bring over the stock You could see it right here. Here's the book viewer right here and You know it I'm going to go out there and I'm going to bring up a stock Let me see like for example looking at the stock symbol JD right Now JD is a stock that's you know, it's up today a little bit. It's up about 5% You got about close to about What time is it now? It's about almost one o'clock in the afternoon here here in New York on the on the east coast and JD's up, you know trade about 27 million shares almost so stock was pretty active today And this is a little bit more of a brand name stock You know the problem when you're dealing with a little bit of these random stocks You can't really see as much as you would like now right here in the middle You probably heard of this is called level 2 now level 2 has been outdated personally since the 90s NASDAQ was really trying to get rid of it a long time ago, but apparently they haven't It looks great. It looks cool, and I did a video on level 2 So you're more than happy to learn a little bit more about that I don't use level 2 because it's completely outdated You don't really see all the orders out there You're only basically seeing the best bid and best offer out there So it's one of the reasons why a lot of people, you know, like I said broker firms give me to you for free and That's all it's worth now when you look over here on the right. This is basically called The Matrix now I'm gonna bring the book the the I'm gonna show you the big difference between the book viewer and The Matrix now the Matrix When you're dealing with more of a professional platform and when you're somebody like me a day trader you have to You just can't depend on where you'll see just one Market one order. There are other ECNs out there now ECNs once again are abbreviated electronic communication network, which allows you to become a market maker Now if you look over here on the level 2, there are a few ECNs out there. There's a Cincinnati exchange There's bats there's EGG X is a New York Stock Exchange. So there are multiple ECNs. They're just not the book viewer now When you're looking at the book view, unfortunately, you're only looking at one book It is a very popular book a lot of people use it You'll see a lot of big orders out there, but when you're looking at a stock like this and You're looking at these orders like for example, if we're looking all the way down here For example, let's see $29.19 so you got about what close to 17,000 shares if you go over here and You look right here at 20 at 29 19 which is what we were just looking at Those orders are pretty much the same. So you're basically Looking at those orders actually this one's moving a little bit quicker But those orders are pretty much the same right there. It looks like there's one order a little bit higher On this one. So it looks like there's a it looks like all the orders that are that are on the book viewer are actually on the On on on here. So babe, but on the the Matrix I apologize now but look over here at 2912 you see it says a thousand shares. Well, guess what? There's more than a thousand. There's five thousand four thousand He said number trading two thousand. So there's actually more Orders that are trading at these levels than the ones above So when you're looking at it and you're looking at book viewer and say well, there's really there's only 1,100 shares Looking to be sold at the best offer. That's really not true There's actually more orders because there are more markets out there So that is really the big issue about you know, you when you're looking at the book viewer It's a great tool. It's got some great features but you're not always seeing all the orders that are out there and that could cause a big issue when it comes to Trading in today's market. So that that's where that comes now Let me look at look at show you something a little bit a stock that we basically traded today and I don't know if you guys saw a stock. This is what would us day traders look at We look at a stock like if you look over here on the left hand side. There was a big runner-up today Bpth is what day traders basically trade and this stock if you notice, which is kind of shocking It ran from $2.50 here in in the morning hours and within an hour and a half A little bit more up to about 1130 stock ran almost all the way up to $8.50 now Some of us probably never even seen or been in a stock like this But here at Cybertrain diversity this risk basically what we trade all day long we look for stocks like these with these really big moves and we basically they trade them and You know and and but how do we know what's going up? See that's what people always ask How do you know what's going up? Well, remember one thing how to stocks go up and go down Supplying demand and when you're looking at this chart over here And this is an intraday chart up on top and this is a daily chart on the right And if you notice us day traders, we don't use indicators Okay, we keep it very simple the problem with indicators is their laggers, you know And if you watch an indicator by Tommy figure it out. You're usually too late It works for swing trading option trading forks, but if you are a day trader, we would never taught ever to use indicators Because once again, you're always one step behind and plus there's so many out of us so many them out there our number one indicator Really is just following the money. So I'm gonna bring up the stock right here and When you're dealing with something that's not so much of a brand name stock because this is what day traders do We look for stocks like this now if you look at this BP TH she was a big big winner and You know stock had some really big moves and if you scroll down what we're looking for is we're looking for a big big orders And you could see that we got 5,000 share orders 2,000 share orders at these prices and when you're looking up over here on the right, you know You're obviously getting more you're getting you getting 5,000 you're getting On the bid you're getting we bring this down. You're getting 2300s. You're getting some You know, you're getting some pretty decent orders. You're not gonna see a lot of these orders in here Right here on the on the bid and ask you'll notice that they're you know, 1,000 shares 500 and it's changing pretty rapidly 1,000 just came in you're not seeing that on the book viewers So the book viewer not only is a little bit more delayed because you got a browser base And you could see when you're dealing with more of a professional platform You're getting the data a lot quicker, but you're seeing a lot more orders out there. Now. Here's another stock Us day traders also we're having a lot of fun trading and There was a stock NH this one ran. Well, this actually, you know what a little on the cheaper side I don't want to show you something too cheap That was moving but this one was actually a little bit easier to trade LX LXRX now if you notice this one right here, you got orders you got 2000 you got 4000 and let me just put it on the book on the book viewer LXRX is typing it in over here and You could see that when you're looking at these orders The thousand to 700 you're not seeing them up on the top of the best bid and best ask So really kind of just you know wondering what is this going up? Is it going down? Well first of all It's right smack of the mill today So really there's not much going on but this stock if you see it it really had a really big run It ran from 560 to about 680 think about you bought a thousand shares of that stock You know do that every day you make up, you know on the average more than a buck a day There's a quarter million dollar salary. That's why people love day trading But why did the stock is stopping? How do stocks hit resistance levels? Well, the big thing is looking at these iceberg orders out there looking for bigger blocks Like here's a 5000 share seller. You could see here at 702, you know Why why would it stop at 702?  And if you look over here, you see how you have a double top right there on the intraday that That resistance levels right there why I had a tough time breaking it because it was getting close to that big seller out there That's at 707 remember how do stocks go up and down? Supply and demand so once again, let's just get back to the book viewer and and and the the matrix The big difference is that when you're trading, you know, and you and you want to know what's going up What's going down? You have to follow the money. You got to know where the buyers are you have to know where the sellers are you got to know where they are and the only thing I could do that is level 3 and Because the book viewer is a very popular item and you know and some of you might have a platform that might not offer That's why it's so important to always do your homework on a brokerage firm There are a lot of good brokerage firms out there But they don't always give you the right tools depending on what kind of trade you are but as a day trader, you know, we do use the book viewer a lot because We deal with people all over the world and not everyone can have the luxury of having a certain platform maybe due to Marginal requirements, maybe you record maybe because they have this brokerage for certain brokerage firms are not in their area I know we have people have issues up in Singapore and and Australia Canada, you know, you asked you pretty much limit it You know, you basically unlimited but also gotta be careful because a lot of them don't always give you the tool so what I recommend you to do is if your brokerage firm doesn't have the Level 3 version and aggregated version. We can have multiple ECNs. That's okay. You go to the Aztec book viewer You can use it temporarily It works perfectly fine You're just not gonna see every single order out there, but you're gonna get a lot you're gonna get a lot So so hopefully you enjoyed this video Hopefully you started it from part one and worked your way up to part two and part three and Get a little bit more about it And if you want to know more about if you if you want to know more about seeing real live big Monster iceberg orders. I'm talking about monsters. I'm talking about 50,000 hundred thousand share orders Just click on the bottom like us register for one of our events We do an event see every week and I'll be happy to show you because you know what ladies and gentlemen fellow YouTubers and and and traders and online traders I just we don't you know, there's no reason why you should lose money in the market You just got to know how to play the game and that's why I enjoy teaching people because you know I do events all over and I see people getting in positions and they had they spent all this money on software and and Then and they just blow up their accounts You know if you knew the first time how to do it you wouldn't have that issue and the biggest thing is You just got to follow the money and only you can follow the money is using level three. So ladies and gentlemen Thanks for watching this video Clicked on the bottom like us and we'll have more videos like this We're all start teaching you how to read charts keeping it simple See more iceberg orders how to use something called time in sales and all that good stuff. Thanks everyone


The way that mainstream training and coaching has programmed us our approach is the exact opposite of who we are That's why today I want to try to un-program you a little and maybe help you move in this other direction towards Communicating who we are that we're here to help You know at the end of the day, I don't care where you get your leads from You know you guys don't have to cold call if you don't want to right?  We're all very Professional we're honest. We're hard-working. We're dependable. We're all the things that people want in an agent, okay? But we're not really Communicating that well to a lot to some of our clients, right? We haven't developed that skill of learning how to actually communicate that to our clients Whereas like when I go into a listing appointment or something. I'm not I'm I literally walking in with zero expectations I just want to know why they're thinking about selling. I want to hear the backstory once I know the backstory I'm huge with wanting to know why and what the story is. What's the storyline here? What's going on in your life? Why are you thinking about doing this once? I know why then I can really put a solid plan in place So, you know, it doesn't really matter to me But I'll go on to say that I think we should all think of ourselves like politicians We should be canvassing the market right canvassing the market letting every person on our market know who we are What we do and that we're here to help we got to start thinking of our business like it's more of like a vehicle To help people rather than just agents trying to list and sell properties, right so that we can make commissions We need to start looking at our business as a vehicle to bring service to the community because closings are happening every day by the truck loads and With using agents so obviously people need to and want to use real estate agents, right? I think a lot of agents think there's some people out there that just don't want to use agents and stuff like that No, look at MLS look at the amount of closings every day multiply that times, too That's how many people a buyer and a seller per deal actually used a real estate agent on a transaction It's crazy high these people need you they want you and You're really doing yourself and there's them a disservice by not making yourself available to them when they decide it's time to buy yourself So as far as circle prospecting goes and everything, you know That's basically picking out a subdivision calling every single person in the subdivision and doing exactly what I said letting them know Who you are what you do a property down the road sold and to see if there's anything you can do to help them, right? It's not like hey, mr. Seller you don't know me I don't know you but will you sell your house so I can make a commission Which is what every other script and every other strategy and every other coach teaches Hey, if you thought about selling would you consider moving? You know if not Then okay move move over mr.  It's the complete opposite approach and it's completely different from what you should be and here's the thing Like I say you're a professional honest You want to help but the way that mainstream training and coaching has programmed us or approach is the exact opposite of who We are that's why today I want to try to un-program you a little and maybe help you move in this other direction towards Communicating who we are that we're here to help. We're not here just to try to sell a piece of property or to get you to list your house Right or to get you to sign a contract or to get you to do this or get you to do this We don't have to get anyone to do anything look at MLS People are already doing exactly what we want them to do buying sell property all day every day boom boom boom boom all day every day Our job our number one job is Not to get listings or close deals our number one job before any of that can ever even Begin to happen is to make our prospects feel comfortable with us That's your number one job until you can do that on a very high level and you raise the bar of your skill level in that department Then you're not gonna have you know We're not even gonna get to the listings and the closings and you may get some here or there But think about how many you would get if you just solely worked on the skill of Making people feel comfortable with you right and helping them understand that you got their back that they're safe with you That you're gonna negotiate the best deal for them that you're gonna work hard for them You're always gonna answer your phone. You're gonna be consistent going to be dependable when you can do that Then you're gonna win right but that that's called giving a great first impression So we got a canvas to market and give off a lot of these great first impressions. That's one machine We need in place right talking to people on a very frequent basis So we never talked to before to give great first impressions But on the backside of that we need a machine to build our personal brand with them from that day forward So they never forget us after that great first impression That's really the name of the game. So circle prospecting. See here's the thing when I was coming up in the game There was no social media. There was no Zillow there was there was none of these there's nothing there was like nothing and so for me I had to me circle prospecting was one of the only things I could really do in today's world Okay in today's world. This is literally what I would do in today's world I would make calls three days three hours three days a week Monday Tuesday Wednesday 9 to 12 Okay, one day I would do circle prospecting the next day I would do expires the next day. I would do whatever dealers choice But I would put nine hours plus right nine hours mandatory plus whatever else I wanted to do in every week And in the afternoons I would work on social media and I would work on this and I work on that And we're anything else that I want to do that would go hard social media But I would go hard with phone calls as well because think about social media What's the point of social media the point is to grab a lead to then do what call them? Okay, we're gonna nurture them. We have a drip campaign We're gonna do this but the end result after all that is to actually talk to them right on the phone So at some point we got to call them So maybe one day you're doing a circle prospecting the next day doing expires the next day You're calling online leads that you picked up all last week or maybe three weeks ago Or whatever the process of your nurturing is but the point is without a conversation There's no deals. So if conversations the key to all deals, let's just have as many as we can I actually built my entire business on circle prospecting, but I'm leaning towards Loving expireds and I'll tell you why like I said, I really love to find out why people are doing things So if I love finding out why people are doing things Then I'm calling expireds and I'm getting exactly what I want because they spill the beans when you call an expired And you say hey is this mr. Johnson. Hey, it's Ricky Kruth. I'm a local real estate agent. How are you doing cool? I'm enjoying the day isn't a gorgeous.  Your job is a million times easier. There's a deeper connection They really feel like you care and you get the job done


What's up everybody? Jason for jazzy over jazby's case breaks calm 2020 macular football two box break regions number eight just sold out With this little R&B filler, which is for the bangles chargers dolphins and Eagles So the way this works guys is if you go over here to the frequently asked questions Which I believe I have open right here Random number block stands for or R&B stands for random number block guys. Everybody gets a random number from zero through nine so ten spots Ten numbers zero through nine and the way it works guys is if you get randomized block number three You will get all cards from the four teams listed above with three being the first number next to the dash on the left side So for example, we pull a Justin Herbert RPA, which is 13 out of 99 Three would get that hit because it is the first number on the left side of the dash If we get a dolphins hit three out of 25 number three gets that spot 43 out of 49 93 out of 99 and so on so just imagine any numbers as long as the three is the first number on the left side of the dash That is gonna go to block three So you get a piece of all of these teams for a fraction of the price and then again And so on so number three gets that card if we pull a redemption from one of these four teams or all of the teams It'll automatically go to spot zero Even if we know it's a one-on-one it still goes to spot zero and of course if there's an unnumbered card That's the thing, you know, sometimes in some products. There is unnumbered cards if that is the case Everybody that's in this randomizer right here has a chance at it in a little lot or one card or however many cards it is So there you go guys. That's how it works right there So for customers that are in Matt down to Jeremy and you have zero through nine So good luck. Let's roll it and we got ourselves a two and a four six times. Good luck six times One two three four five and six six times Dayton down to Benjamin and six times here now one two three four five and six six times Four down to six four six six So day and you have block four Stanley would block zero. So any and all redemptions will be yours Matthew with seven Jeremy with nine Mike you have five and two Glenn if there is any one of ones those will be yours for these teams uh matt with eight Shea with uh three and Benjamin you have six So there you go guys. This was just a randomizing video in a separate video now. We'll start the two box break Immaculate football number eight


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So let's take that same equation we were just talking about in what is a table and let's apply it Let's actually use it inside of Excel So right now we can take a look and we see that same grid like structure I was just referring to we see that we have the a column b column c column all our verticals have a column all Of our horizontal rows also have numbers well The first thing we did was we started by entering in some text now in a one for example I'll just put in the word subtotal now when I hit enter That's all I get is I get Subtotal that's because this is considered text text is a little different than a math equation a cell reference for example, if I wanted to refer to the a Column you know I will we'll get to that in just a second But I that a is it you know that a is not text that a for the a column is a little different Then we put in tax and total Now one thing you'll notice is that I'm highlighted currently on a for a for is my active cell If I want to move that well, here's the luxury of the grid like structure. All I have to do is click Now again, we said that we're going to put in a tip calculator So I'm going to put in the dollar sign 1250 and then I said 7% Now again, this is where we have to deal with a math equation if I just take my cells B1 and B2 and I put them in here B1 times B2 Nothing happens, you know, it's it's because it's Inferring that what I just did was I typed text now even though it says B1 Well again, how is that any different than this to the computer? It's not so we have to introduce That equals sign that equals sign tells Excel you are about to do a math equation Now if I do B1 notice what happened it highlighted B1 It's in a little color coding effect to just kind of give me a visual representation of what Numbers I'm going to be working with now. I said that I can't just multiply By B2 88 cents. That's not That's not the price of what I had to pay. I wish but that's not how it works Instead we start by saying B1 B1 is my base my starting point if you will and then I included PIMDOS Please excuse my dear and Sally I added in some parentheses now the parentheses basically are going to be Evaluated first Just because I put in B1 before doesn't mean that I can't put it in a second time This is algebra all over again.  No, that's what we're doing is I'm just saying I need to take that 1250 and I need to add the extra to it That 7% again instead of me hard coding that in B2 Close my parentheses and as soon as I hit enter what I should see is 13 38 Excellent the reason why we do this though is because now what's happening is Excel's evaluating B1 and B2 if I change B2 for example say I don't know Economy still bad sales tax goes up to 10% if I hit enter Notice what happened? my total changed if For example, my subtotal was a little less 19 or 999 as soon as I hit enter I can see all of a sudden the calculations unfurl