you here for those of you who are my audience with Code Red Conversation thanks for joining me. Once again after all the technical difficulties but we managed to work him out. I am not Corey Minor actually I think I'm a little better than better looking than he is but we do have matching bold heads so hopefully that'll make y'all feel at home but don't worry have no fear he'll be on shortly. I'm actually interviewing him as a part of my show. His I really appreciate his ministry with the Smart Christian Channel. I found it to be a blessing for me and my family and over the years over the time he's been doing this over the last what a couple of years or so I've really been intrigued by his background his testimony so I wanted to have him on and just have a little conversation about his background. We have uniquely similar backgrounds so without further ado let me introduce my man my main man Corey Minor from the Smart Christian Channel. The better looking bald head guy it's okay. I'm sure that's subjective and I'm sure that's a matter of opinion but well I'm pretty sure my wife would agree with me so there we go. And mine would with me as well so but hey it's all good it's all good. I messed up would it be if after the show one of our wives said now honey I actually that would be really really messed up. Yeah time for counseling right. And no doubt we got some problem we that we don't have something to work out if that was but anyway man how you doing today brother? I'm doing wonderful I'm doing wonderful I've kind of had a relaxing day I got a bunch to do this evening uh well no I got a little bit to do this evening but a whole lot to do tomorrow so I'm getting a whole lot of relaxation in today so I'm doing wonderful. That's good that's good that's good yeah the reason I wanted to sit down and chat with you I mentioned it a little bit earlier was that man how long you've been doing the Smart Christian Channel how long you've been doing your YouTube channel? Let's see when did I someone asked me this two days ago about about the channel when did I the first the first video was at the very end of 2020 so really two years two years okay um and it it it I will say that I'm I'm I'm pleased with how the channel is gone I had no idea I didn't know anything about YouTube I knew that YouTube existed but I didn't know that people did videos like this my my uh oh wait a second I messed up I messed up everybody knows I got I got to put on the right glasses I got to put on the right glasses so I can you know I got jar full like Fred Stanford that what you got? I got I got I got well you know what here's the problem I have a third pair I've gone to get glasses and each time the glasses weren't the right prescription and so I'm using these glasses and I've got these other glasses these actually these glasses are the ones that I had in prison I see better out of them except for yesterday when I couldn't see a thing I don't know what it was but then I've got these other glasses this is one of them that I got and I can't see anything I I just gotten them I put it in in the in the uh on my face while I was in the car and I couldn't see anything so I got home without wrecking I don't know but I couldn't see I could see without glasses but I can't I can't read as well like the little the wording and so forth so but anyway but about about two years ago and it it has gone better than I thought it would have gone I thought that YouTube was just a place to go watch you know exercise videos or kids doing funny stuff for cat videos things like that I want to have and we're in there's a metric we're going to unveil unveil it in about a week or two a place where people can go and get good sound biblical teaching I also wanted to because of nature of YouTube also offer commentary and things like that as well and so things started going you know like I said better than I thought they would go they uh I think we got to when do we hit a thousand subscribers I think a thousand sometime in July July of 20 so after seven six seven months and then I don't know I can't I think we got to 30 000 at the end of 21 and so another 50 000 or approximately 50 000s in this year so it has gone relatively well it comes with a lot people people who don't like you don't like even more you know the the larger the channel gets which is fine which is fine I have no problem with with the dislikes and so forth as long as it provides an opportunity to kind of just teach a little bit or to you know make my my point or my case known and then hear the other sides as well so but uh it's just been two years though okay yeah when I was doing a little search I pulled you up because I was looking for a picture because I was we were trying to work on a thumbnail for this episode here and man first things that pop up Corey Miners false problem false teacher you get all that nonsense but hey man what it's all said and done like you said when you get a bigger platform and more people start to hear about you it just exposes you to more people exposes you unfortunately the more foolishness and it's just part of the territory man yeah it is and so I I don't have a problem with that whatsoever I don't it doesn't bother me why is mine how come my name isn't on here that's crazy I'm trying to put my name on here I can I can't even add my own name to this thing this is crazy but anyway if I hit enter okay whatever it won't it won't do it all right yeah it's always something going on yeah that intro man that was just horrific yeah it was just a mess over there but I had a line to this I had a line to this iPad running through the iPad for you all for those of you who wanted what's happening this this is showing on both of our channels and I've got this this other computer charging up to my main computer and someone what is this sound why why in the world and I look though I've got a chord and so whatever's playing on this is going to run through the system and so that's what that was I could not figure this out but anyway it's it's settled now it's so basically it was you and it wasn't me no it was you it was my fault but it was my fault but you were the blame so that's how that works right right right oh dang all right brother so yeah let's uh just jump into the meat of all this man for those of us for those on here who may not be familiar with your background just tell us a little bit more about your your upbringing uh were you raising the church no yes or no whatever you want to go into detail no we didn't we we my mother and her siblings they were raising the church my grandfather was an elder in the church I believe I don't know what in there so but they all went to church my mother was was pretty rebellious she was she was if you want to talk about the black sheep of the family it was her and really not so much her because I have a couple of aunts and uncles who were kind of kind of wild too but she led the way she's something else um my life started off this way when I was born the night that I was born there were drugs in my system because my mother used drugs and used drugs a lot and she was functional she wasn't you know some some crack he had to run around on the street you know looking for hit this and there no but she used drugs and I was I was her last child and so the night that I was born was the night that I almost died because I had drugs in my system I didn't leave I was born on the 20th of September I didn't leave the hospital till the 30th the 20th or 30th and I didn't know the story behind until my grant not my grandma my aunt told me what happened because my mother uh she said your mother was this and that and so forth whatever this is my mother's oldest sister anyway life didn't get that much better after that it was it was rough the problem the thing was though about about growing up rough you don't realize it you don't realize it's like asking the fish what's it like to be wet they don't know this this is how it's always been so I can't tell you that's just their experience yeah so growing up it was we were all we didn't stay in the same home um more than a year uh very often I think let's see when I was let's see in you know I don't know let's see kindergarten no I didn't say no first grade different house second grade different house third grade yeah I think we stayed in the same place no never I'm trying to remember I don't think we ever I don't think I ever went to the same school to the same school for two years consecutive that was just kind of what we did we were always moving a couple times your whole life well your whole adult life or just when you're no no up until what happened was this we kept moving I don't know all the circumstances surrounded you know why we kept moving and so forth I just thought that was normal people asked me from Indianapolis they would ask me what part of Indianapolis are you from everywhere near north side west side east side what's funny is when we moved to the east side of Indianapolis uh anyone knows about Indianapolis or Indiana and they know about 42nd and post east side 42nd and post was not what it was when we moved there I always like to say we broke it in it was not bad at all as a matter of fact we moved out there because we thought it was a good place but so did a whole lot of other kind of bad families and so it ended up being you know kind of kind of rough we were doing all kind of bad stuff the the the pizza guy we called an order pizza he'd show up and we'd rob him that kind of stuff we were just just bad kids yeah just just bad kids uh what happened was um matter of fact I see I see a guy in the chat Corey Burnett um I mean Barnett he's in Milwaukee I'm coming your way in a second Corey here's what happened we had two hits put out on us twice two different times because again when you when you mess around with drugs and so forth well sometimes stuff happens well my mother one night we're we're gone some people break into the house and they're coming to kill us and we find out later they meant to come and kill us the reason why they didn't get me and my brother because how good god is a christian group called um uh christ uh what is it see christ for the no christ for the nation i'm not not christian nation christ i don't know what it was i got um christ for youth or youth or youth for christ what it was youth for christ they came and picked us up they took us camping and so that night we were gone my mother happened to wake up in the middle like at 3 a.m and got her gun and chased them out of the house um they were now you know you have like four or five or six different locks on the front door they'd already gone down and unlocked the door so because there was no way they could have got there and then unlocked that stuff and i got caught with my mother so uh so we ended up from there we ended up having to move now my father who my father used to be an organized crime my father also was in prison as well when you say organized crime you're talking about the mob mafia type thing well he ran with with the hoodlums on the street and also the uh those kind of folks who the the italian folks the white the white organized crime as well as the black uh anyone from any of us that is my age or older would know hey you know jimmy miter i shouldn't say anyone i shouldn't say anyone but a lot of folks do know who he was and so he handled that i don't know how but i was told that he handled that and so we had we we ended we did end up moving however though one time he either didn't handle it or or didn't get to it faster for what happened but somebody was coming to get us uh after we were out there on 42nd and post on the east side for a year and a half and what happened was we came back home from practice and my cousin older cousin he was in his 20s at the time he was boxing up stuff in the front room said go in and see your mama so we go in and say yeah pack up yourself we think we moved to a different apartment in the complex no next thing we know we're loading this uh this u-haul and kory gets where we went to kory barnett we moved to mowgli because my my mother's sister my aunt lived actually two of them lived in mowgli mowgli's pretty bad by the way especially the part that i went to i lived on kory you'll know this i lived on 20th and north 20th and north is not a good part of mowgli you have right over across the street one on 19th street you got one nine that's the vice lords 20th you have uh the um disciples there's a disciple group of disciples they call that the little branch called two seven that's what you say you you walk up and down the street you hear him two seven that was my neighborhood then you cross over you got one nine right and then just down the street you had latin kings and so it's not like we moved from in and out of us to a good part of mowgli we went to the worst part and we saw folks saw folks getting killed and different drug deals going on and stuff like that it was just just normal normal in indianapolis and normal in mowgli what happened was my mother just could really really could not afford to take care of us she just wasn't stable financially and what happened was she sent me back to Indianapolis with my father well my father even though he had some stuff going on he was he was certainly stable um he said i passed by he said 20th and we're passed by there a lot yeah i don't know what it's like now i know it's like then uh but uh he would he had me come stay with him he has some gambling joints and some uh and in a bar and so he had he had money to take care of me and he's he made me not become a godly man but just to try to grow up he he was one that did not allow for excuses and so consequently nowadays i don't i don't allow for excuses if something's going on within so what whatever's going on now is like it just started happening it's always been going on and so uh we're not the kind that's going to get up and complain about what's not happening what is happening how bad i had it my mama did this my daddy did it no no no we keep it moving and we do things uh we make things i don't think make things happen but we're not going to just sit and cry about how bad things are get up and do something right so that's kind of my upbringing now when i moved in with him from eighth grade till i graduated i stayed in the same place and so that was the first time i had no idea it was just weird and wonderful actually going through school with your classmates yeah so to ask you how old were you well you said so around the eighth grade so what 14 or so when you moved in with your dad i think 14 is eighth grade right i think around that 13 14 maybe i'm just trying to think back when when i was in school way back in the day oh let's let's see let's see 18 18 hold on 18 17 16 15 14 yeah 14 and eighth grade yeah okay so what was your relationship with your dad prior to i had a good relationship with him i you know what i thought that my relationship was what daddy was supposed to be you know he was there he was around and so forth but he didn't live with me but i could always anytime i wouldn't talk to him or he wouldn't talk to me we you know we talked i knew him it wasn't like i saw my daddy every now and then once in the blue no he was around and he would he would get on me he was the one that would buy me clothes he made me this this man this man made me go to work i had a job when i was eight years old my job now it wasn't it wasn't a it wasn't a super job it was i had to get up and go to his clothing store he had a clothing store that and this is how how his connections work because it was it had these little this little government contracts where the poor people in the city would come down there and they would get these vouchers for these clothes and so he had some connections to get that set up anyway i had to go down there on saturdays to to clean up and to hang stuff up and to fold stuff up now mind you saturday saturdays in the mornings what are we doing in the 70s and early 80s on sat we watching cartoons yeah and so he got me down there where everybody else is watching cartoons and going out and playing uh working and i didn't do much i just he just wanted to teach me work ethic i'm eight what work ethic do i need but he said boy you don't get to get a job that's what he told me so uh but that's that's the kind of man he was he was going to instill a work ethic in me one day i'll never forget this i got smart with and i i was talking about i don't need to go to work i miss i'm mad and he said i tell you what remember that come christmas whatever i didn't say that but i'm thinking that you know you're gonna get me christmas christmas morning comes and there's nothing underneath the tree yeah buddy my daddy i didn't have anything there was a tree up but there was nothing in it nothing in it and now he would always buy presents from me and my brother chris my two oldest brothers they live with their father in in michigan in uh in southfield and so because they had my mother got a divorce from him because again the drug stuff and so not only was my presence not there christ's presence weren't there my mother did she did call him and and and cussed him out and though so he ended up bringing the gifts later but taught me a lesson do not talk back and get get fly with my father uh and so but he taught me uh want to be respectful how to have a good work ethic and so forth so i had a one that that was my man my after after jesus the most favorite man of mine is my dad i love him to death is he still living no he had uh he had he had cancer and the interesting thing was that because he was he was out and he was sick and so forth he was able to um have some time to think and i was able to share the gospel with him and then about i was able to think about after after he placed faith in christ he thought he was getting better but then it kind of came back again and then he ended up having to um go to for another surgery and then he ended up passing so but he did place his faith in christ and and then by all accounts even after that he lived like he was a christian after that so um that was one of my one of my two of my crowning moments was leaving him to christ and then leaving my mother to christ oh that's awesome man amen well two things uh i noticed real quick i went off of my condolences one for your your your dad passing and two for you living in indiana i definitely went off of my i don't know why you listen you you you were at the heart the worst part of indiana in a jail so i i was man i was i was living in michigan city indiana and i worked at westfield correctional center from the end of 92 to to uh the 95 and man those three years i lived in indiana were the worst three years of my life i'm not even gonna lie to you and it wasn't my it wasn't because of my time in prison it was just because it was the the weather was horrific because you had that lake effect coming off of lake michigan so the weather was horrible and you're talking to a kid i grew up in new jersey born to raise in new jersey and so i was used to bad weather but man there was nothing like that weather in indiana uh it was just it was utter misery and it seemed like it was gloomy all the time winter lasted about winter lasted about two weeks i mean summer lasted about two weeks and then it seemed like the weather was horrific again i couldn't i was so glad to get up out of there i mean i learned a lot you know i learned my time working as a corrections officer was some of the most uh helpful times throughout the rest of my law enforcement career because when you're in there and we're going to get into that here shortly but not uh not right there i just want to uh give a little bit of my perspective on it was uh that the things that i learned dealing with those convicts because i was at a level four facility right outside of gary indiana right i was about an hour outside of chicago so a lot of these cats that you were mentioning your vice lords your uh your gd's and whatnot that that was my that that was my audience those are the guys that i dealt with on a regular basis but man and it was it was probably i didn't i wasn't raised in the hood like our background couldn't be any more different like our upbringing we we lived basically at the poverty level because my dad we're the only black family in a all white neighborhood and you're talking about an upper middle class middle middle to upper middle class neighborhood but my dad worked at a salt company like a salt factory and there was a warehouse where they packaged salt and chemicals and stuff like that and there was a loft above the warehouse and that's basically where i grew up until i was 14 years old so we lived above a warehouse we got woken up every morning by uh monday through saturday with a big old trailer truck backing up to the uh to the warehouse and the guy driving a forklift and unloading on it with a wood burn wooden coal burning stove and uh it was pretty and when you said you don't really know when you talked about when you grow up poor you don't really know you're poor i was totally fine with with where we were living until i had a friend of mine who came over my house one of my friends from like first second or third grade i'm playing he's like hey eric where do you live and i said i live up there and we walked up there and he said eric you have a chunky house how do you know about a little eight-year-old seven eight-year-old kid and when i heard that that my stomach just dropped i just felt so bad and then after that for a few years i had a complex i never wanted anybody to know where i lived or whatnot but you know you're a little kid you don't know i was content with where we're living until i started seeing how a lot of my friends were really living and uh that's what that's when i started feeling bad but going back to what you're talking about i didn't really have any hood like experiences until i got older after we left indiana moved out here to las vegas and i know we're bouncing around a little bit but i'm just kind of comparing a little bit of your background to mine when we first moved out to las vegas we found the place that was affordable and you know every they were willing to take it you good bro yeah they were willing to take us in uh without me having a job or anything like that so but once i got there i had a brother who was in town who was in the air force so he had just gotten out of the air force and then he told me because we're living on 28th street so anyone who's familiar with las vegas we're living on 28th and steward and at that time you had the 28th street gang there were notorious and there was a lot of shooting and robbing and stealing and drugs being sold so once we got there my brother came over and visited us and he said yeah man uh we got to get you about a year this ain't a place you want to stay i thought we were doing halfway decent i mean it didn't look too bad but it was it was pretty crummy and then the the first few years of us being in vegas we the places we lived for a few years were pretty much in the hood but as time went on we managed to get out of it so our experiences are similar but kind of in reverse because my my ghetto hood like experiences happen when i was a just as a young man as an adult yeah you ain't live unless you let unless you live in the hood and live in the project you ain't live so you ain't lying brother you ain't lying but it's like i'm sorry go ahead go ahead say again no go ahead no let me uh yeah yeah so i recall correct me if i'm wrong i recall hearing you talk about your background before you got incarcerated were you already you were active in church is that correct or i had uh when i was active before i even got in church when i became a christian i was a i was at i was at texas tech and um even when i when i first became i mean immediately i started telling everybody about jesus uh i was rough and didn't know much what it but i was excited about jesus even after a year or two or three or four years but i was i still had just like everybody else i got saved but my skin still stayed on me and so i still had to battle battle my flesh a lot of times my flesh one matter of fact a lot of times my flesh uh just took over and so but it's just you know this this this growing process when i got married who my wife was a christian matter of fact i met her while she was passing out tracks i don't know why she married me that she just she married she married down i married up and so but uh but so we were we were we stayed in lubbock texas uh for a few years and i was involved in the church there we moved to dallas and still involved in church but i also had an investment from i started an investment firm um i actually used to work for edward jones a couple of investment companies then started my own firm and i was you know i was still a christian some things happen in the business and uh what i mean some folks may even ask i don't know how many some folks have heard but i'll go ahead and and repeat it a whole lot of stuff was happening um with the business and with me personally i won't get into all of that stuff but suffice to say when you're somewhere god didn't want you to be in the first place it's not like god is gonna bless you so i was like hey god i'm gonna do this now bless it and no god has not taken orders from me so at the business the vice president leaves at the business the person the president over our mortgage division leaves the person's over the insurance division leaves and just all these different things and so money was just kind of really really strained in the office and my job as well as the vice president's job is to make sure that people are as they're bringing money in or bringing accounts in they're actually turning these accounts over and selling them on stocks or bonds or financial plan or what have you and a lot of guys they were just comfortable and in in an investment office you're going to have often case like a branch manager who's going to kind of push these guys and make sure that they're doing what they're doing that whatever you have is never enough and i kind of i kind of lost sight of that well as money's not coming in what i would do let's say you're a client i would take money out of your account put it over into the business account cover whatever needs to be covered as fees and commissions came in because typically it was once a month sometimes twice and we would take that that money and put it back into your account but in the meantime in between the time that we pulled out of your account and the time that you're that you get it back we're going to give you a statement well that is uh as far as the fans are concerned that's a no no and they charge me with a mail fraud charge and so that's how i ended up going to prison now my mind i can fix this i can fix this god god has brought me too far to bless me and so and when you have that kind of mentality that god is going to bless you no matter what you think that you can do no matter what and god is still going to bless you no because again god didn't work for me god isn't isn't going to hey bless what i'm doing no i'll be doing what god is blessing and really where he where he has where he wants me to be and it was never there as a matter of fact when i said i was at texas tech i my whole dream for my entire life up to up till then was to play football and i got invited to these they have these little regional combine combines kind of like what we have pro days now but a regional combine and even i think it was two weeks before two weeks prior to going it was it was just like the lord was just impressed upon my heart no no no ministry ministry ministry that was my only that was my focus and so excuse me so what i decided to do was i'm not going to play no no football no nothing just focus on the ministry the problem was though our ministry didn't pay a whole lot we were making seven hundred dollars a month and i don't care where you are even in level texas that's not a lot fortunately though initially while i was working there i was still in college and so you know we we had monies from our um from the college from student loans and so forth to kind of help get you through but that's not that's not a plan you can't live on that forever so i'm just looking for any and everything to try to make some money to try to make ends meet i've got i've got wife got kids and so forth and so what am i going to do and so my thought was go with the investment route but i'd already made it my mind that i want to be in ministry forever but i got sidetracked and i i i got to doing something that was not part of my purpose and so what i wouldn't tell anyone else if you have a plan to do something whatever your purpose is anything everything that does not conform to that anything that can possibly take you out of the way get rid of it if you plan on going over here then don't let anything over there distract you don't even don't even turn that way and look that way and that's what i did if i would just focus on that because i said to myself could i imagine if at that time at age i don't know 25 23 24 25 if i would have said okay fine i am going to stick with ministry if i need to go to seminary whatever just developed myself but what i was doing was i had almost like divided allegiances um this side of my mind is ministry this side of my mind is trying to make money where it should have been just put my faith in christ letting god just uh take care of because he had already done it he had been taking care of us when we needed something he would come through there was a time where uh we wanted to get some kids for stuff for christmas and so forth and we didn't again 700 a month we weren't making very much money matter of fact no i'll take it back we had gotten a raise so we were up to about about a thousand eleven hundred dollars a month and you know how you do when you're poor you dream about what you like to get the kids for for christmas and so we put something that way and so we put things on the way we go to matter of fact the day that we're going to get stuff out of laway we have this a wallet with some money in it we lost the wallet but somebody turned the wallet in with all the money in it who does that then we go to pay for it because we're feeling we feel like you know thank you lord you are so good we're just praising we're in the parking lot praising god for just keeping you know protecting that little bit of money we had wasn't a lot but it was you know it was it was a it was a billion dollars us we go to the back to pay for our laway and they said no your laway it's been paid for we just been waiting for you to come pick it up and we looked at it like what well praise god and so we get our stuff we had laway at another place i think one was at a super k mark or super target one of the super something and then the other ones at walmart we go to the walmart to get the remaining portions out that was paid for like wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute are you serious because we're thinking make this we thought the first place was a mistake but somebody bless us so you know hey we were going to pay our rent late we've made up our mind that we're going to pay the rent late but it was early it was still you know paying the january rent well let's go ahead and pay the january rent now we go to pay the january rent and shelly irison she's apartment manager says your rent's paid what are you talking about no no we know it's paid for december but what about january she said no january rent is paid huh so somebody just january and february was paid for it's just and so we already have evidence that god has taken care of us but so what did i think i started thinking that was a problem i started thinking well what about what about and if he if he's already shown himself to be faithful to me why would i doubt it that's what i did and so i decided i decided i got to think and decided that i've got to make sure that i can take care of my family and so i just started i started doing the going the investment route and then if you do that long enough your dreams especially if you were ambitious you're gonna want to move up in the business or start your own business and that's what i did it took my eye off the ball so i started to ask i was gonna ask you real quick so when did you totally set aside doing ministry and started focusing 100 on your financial planning or were you just doing a little bit of both i was doing both i was doing both um i still gave a lot of time to the church uh to the ministry but also to to the business and so um i was because i owned the business i could you know my time could be flexible my time could be flexible and at first things were going well things were going well but then when things aren't going well and and since this wasn't god's i did in the first place here i am asking him to bail me out and so no but no i was i was doing both and thankfully i say thankfully going to prison it it showed me a couple of things one how to just sit down and spend my time in him but then two get past all of the character flaws get get away from all the character flaws that i had because otherwise when you go to thousand miles an hour you don't have time nor do you want to sit down and try to figure out what's wrong with you but when you're in prison you've got time and you've got time to take to do the right things and to figure out what the wrong things were as well right so real quick once again you mentioned it but i didn't quite catch it so what exactly were you found did they say that you did wrong that got you in trouble i played guilty to mail fraud here's what's funny okay here's what here's what's funny about it the mail fraud charge if you if i'm sending statements through either the us males or through an interstate carrier a commercial interstate product something like that huh like FedEx or yeah FedEx FedEx UPS or any other any carrier that goes out of state be it private or public well i didn't i had an attorney who had never had a federal case she didn't tell me this until the day of sentencing what okay fine i don't i'm guilty anyway i'm guilty wasn't a paid attorney or was it like a public defender she was a paid attorney but i didn't pay her much and which is you know they they say you get paid for and so but she should have known just the basics because when you know when you get in prison you start looking up the law and how this stuff works you realize all the mistakes was made she never asked for evidence at all not once she never typically when you go to prison or when you go for the court your first plea is going to be a plea of guilty then you're going to come back and i'm sorry plea of not guilty you do that typically to get evidence to see you know to find for you know find for discovering so forth uh because obviously the attorney is supposed to make sure that the government has a case they might be right but if they can't prove it then they don't have to have no case what she never asked for their evidence had she asked for evidence this was funny had she asked for evidence she would have discovered like i knew but i didn't i didn't know it was it was an issue that i never used the the us males or fedex or ups i used a local courier a guy that drives from one part of town to the other part of town well that's not mail fraud as a matter of fact it doesn't violate any federal statute now i'm thinking while i'm in prison i got a way out all i gotta do is file this paperwork show that she didn't ask for evidence and she never did ask for evidence which by the way is the first thing or one of the first things you look for when what they talk when they call ineffective assistance of counsel she never did and then this what she would have discovered had she asked for evidence well so i'm thinking in my mind i'm getting out soon i'm getting out soon well someone asked me courier because if you look at the case it looks open and shut as open and shut as it gets it's classic well here's the problem what if god didn't want me out and i listen i do believe god is sovereign i do believe that god does run this world you know beyond say girls don't run the world god runs the world and so could you imagine the kind of person i was and i'm still brand new in the system could you imagine if i would have gotten released from prison through my own work through my own doing well then who gets the credit you god didn't i do and because someone else asked courier how in the world they give you 20 years typically someone with this charge with the with the with the with the guidelines and criteria it would be it would be somewhere around three four five years right even the possibility probation or one year but i got 20 years i got the maximum on a plea well if you give me one two or three years do i really change inwardly i don't know 20 years though yeah it's time it's time to do some thinking oh yeah some deep school searching oh yeah and because one of two things are gonna happen in prison you either gonna get better or you're gonna get worse unfortunately many get you know a lot of get a lot get worse but i got better i got better in in the sense that i was i got close to the lord um i was not trying to prove to anybody because i even to the day i don't say that i'm innocent now maybe i'm not guilty but i'm not i'm certainly not innocent i still did something that i had no business doing i'll i'll never that part didn't go away even if the federal government technically should not have charged me for it i was wrong and i more than that i have offended the name of christ so but had i gotten out in a year or two years who knows maybe i would not have changed what ended up happening though and this is a good part about it when you go away to prison you learn you learn a few things you learn about yourself which is just as important as that's the most important thing you find out about yourself and you find out about god but also you do find out about the people that call themselves your friends they tend to not they tend to not want to stay around you while you're in prison and so which is good the people that i would not have gotten rid of or would not have left on their own god did a pretty good job helping me to usher them out of my life amen amen real quick man considering the fact that you got when you said that on average people get three to five years for that similar offense but that's if they're they were actually guilty of committing the crime correct well if you know no no no no being guilty that that if you plead or if you're found guilty well first of all if you go to trial um then you're subject to the maximum the maximum under that statute was 20 years that's the maximum worth so if i like the question i'm asking the that the question i'm asking is were you but you said that the evidence was never requested by your attorney so in all actuality by the letter of the law you didn't really do anything wrong when it comes to the legal system is that correct or am i as far as far as a federal statute you have to mail fraud is to defraud someone but to use the us males now defrauding somebody is not a federal charge just in and of itself okay you can defraud whomever now it might be a state charge that's different but if we're talking about the federal charge it becomes cognizable under the under the uh united states sentencing guidelines or i'm sorry uh criminal code if you use something that they have jurisdiction over in this case the us males the problem was i didn't use a us male so i'm guilty just not a their particular statute and so um just like wire fraud you can i can i can threaten you all day long that's not a problem but if i use the internet or the phone then that becomes a wire fraud i can i can solicit um sexual favors from someone or a minor um and it not be a federal statute a federal charge if you use the interstate uh like the internet or phones then it becomes cognizable are you are you with me and so in my case uh the statute required that i use the us males and then the the maximum penalty for that is 20 years well when you plead you plead because you're helping out the government you don't want to take them to trial and so they the the payoff is that they don't they don't hit you as hard you get substantially you get assistance you get points to kind of count for you in terms of when they're sentencing you and so typically someone that pled guilty to the charge with the same dollar amount and number of victims and so forth it would have been about uh two three four years maybe five years i ran to a bunch of guys with the same charge that were getting out in two three four five years and like why did you get 20 years i could went to trial and got the exact same amount of time i could went to trial custody judge out and everybody else um and still got this exact same same um sentence but i believe though as far as i'm concerned that there was a guy behind that that he had something bigger and better for me and so while i'm sitting there while i'm in prison i had i had exhausted all of my legal effort uh the the federal courts came back and denied my motion and at this point in time okay god listen i've been riding with you this long i'm with you i'm not i you know you and i know no one else knows god you and i know that i won't i won't leave you i'm not i'm with you i'm always gonna trust you and at that moment and i now i've had this piece in me for of 13 years probably the last five or six years the last five or six years is the most piece that i've ever had in i can say in my life but certainly in a long time and certainly not that entire sentence because i i just i put all my comfort in my faith in him and at at some point i didn't know that he the doors are gonna open but i got out early but the point is though whether i did or didn't um i can say confidently that i trust god i don't know that i would have done that or i would have said it to the same degree if it would have been one year or two years because you know how guys say i can do this time i'm standing on my head well one or two years that passes by pretty quickly and so i don't i'm not saying i'm thankful for the 20 years but i'm or for the 20 year sentence but i'm thankful for what the 20 year sentence taught me if that makes sense yeah it does definitely so you have people basically telling you your attorney you're gonna do this plea deal and we're gonna be looking at three to five years max but that pretty much suggests that you were hearing yeah i gotta follow okay so that's what they're telling you when you're standing there and you're getting ready to get your sentence handed to you and then that judge turns around and slaps you with 20 years i can only imagine what like your response like what what went through your head like what how did you handle that what was your reaction well they had me in shackles and i i remember asking myself why do why mine shackles this is a white car color six it's a white color charge why mine shackles i haven't killed anybody and so when he said first of all when he said 240 i thought my mind i thought i i thought i heard him say 240 weeks so i'm trying to calculate 240 weeks then he said it two more times he said 240 months that's 20 years oh that's why i have these shackles on because you want to just do something you want to choke somebody run do something but you can't and so i i i get it now they listen they ain't they ain't dumb in the court system they ain't they ain't dumb so now they don't run they don't bit through a runny or two they know how it works and so i'm thinking wait a second how do we go from worst case scenario three or four maybe five years to 20 best case to worse yeah yeah and so uh i was i was in shock uh but and now what happened was while at sentencing i had even asked my uh former pastor to well i didn't my attorney did but i thought it was a good idea as well though because uh we were on good terms i had asked him to you know to come and to be a character witness now he comes back and he says why he did so later but he on the stand after he my attorney asked me a few questions and wasn't going right like this is this is coming off weird he asked the judge the judge says you can go back and sit down he says your honor may i and he voluntarily tells the judge i think that the best thing for corey minor uh is for you to give him the maximum sentence that the law allows and i'm slower like what what the you could listen the whole courtroom was stunned as a matter of fact when they when they replayed it on the news they talked about that now his he said that because of what the government had said that that that wasn't the same corey that he knew so yeah that's the corey well he didn't understand the government at sentencing is going to call you you'll be the worst thing in the world you'll be every name in the book yeah you're sadaam you're sadaam who's saying nothing you've never done anything good why because there's two things the federal government needs they need a conviction which they're going to get and they need time those are two ways that you that you judge uh and a prosecuting attorney gotta get a conviction and gotta get time if he gets probation that that uh officer does not look at that that favorably in his office so that that was that but the reason why you haven't heard anything positive is because all you've heard was the government the positive is going to come from you but he didn't give it and so now he came back and he apologized um he apologized to me he sent letters to my wife and also told the church that he was wrong and so forth and he asked me for forgiveness at first when he asked me for forgiveness i said yes i forgive you but you know you say i forgive you but you really don't you don't i'm not i wasn't too sure i forgave him i wasn't too sure i said it with my mouth but i i really wasn't sure in my heart because there was some moments where i thought to myself you know what if i get out when i get out right well i know a couple years later i saw him being recognized in some magazine some some booklet and i was proud for me and at that moment i knew it yeah i was i had forgiven him and then he sent me another letter and i told him back listen you have been forgiven you don't have to worry about that we're good if i saw you that hug you and so uh he did he did uh asked for forgiveness he was wrong he said he was wrong for that but there's no takebacks after that after you after you say that to the judge the judge like well i guess i gotta give him uh as much time as possible so do you do you think what he said his testimony do you think that influenced the judge or you think the judge already had it in their mind to give you the maximum time i don't see how i could not have influenced the judge i don't i don't see how there's a guy who is your character witness and he's a pastor and he's saying give him the max okay fine i don't the judge had didn't know me he didn't he wasn't predisposed to view predisposed to view me favorably so here here comes your character witness off with his head okay fine off with his head it was the judge did mine had black on black crime right there so man so okay so what was the transition after you get that sentence how long did it take were you already in the county jail at that time or were you out i was in i was in the county jail and they took me they took me there back to the county jail uh and i was there for let me think probably about two weeks and then they transferred me to a federal a federal detention center and then i was there for probably another two weeks two or three weeks is that like a transitional facility until they find where they're going to send you long term yep now they don't tell you where you're going until you go to a transit center or the destination and now at the at the detention center nobody wanted to go to Beaumont nobody i don't want to go to Beaumont at Beaumont Texas yeah bloody Beaumont what they called it okay unless you're from Houston nobody wanted to go to Beaumont right and and so they put me on the bus they they drive us to Oklahoma City which is where the one of the federal transit centers is and so they get there and that's when they told me where i was going like oh oh i don't want to go to Beaumont one place no one wanted to go that's where they were yeah and like why am i Beaumont is rough so and that wasn't the place for me but some kind of way i ended up there i i really do think though just in God's providence and in sovereigning that that got me there because a lot of things were accomplished spiritually as well as just learning the Lord and just practice practically applying it with the with these different inmates and it was 11 12 11 12 hour bus trip while you're shackled you if i had to move my glass i had to do just like this because i you know i'm shackled my waist my i mean my uh my wrist are shackled together to my waist and my feet yeah so 11 12 11 12 hour bus ride and you got another inmate right there leading up against you worst trip ever so you were living in so you were living in uh indiana at that time or no i was living in doubt i was in doubt okay yeah okay all right so here you are i know you had a pretty rough upbringing but did you ever do any jail time or anything like that when you were a kid or a young man no no okay so so here you are how old 20 how old were you at the time when i went to prison what yeah 30 hold on let me figure this out 30 35 okay you're 35 years old on your way federal prison 20 year and we're talking federal time so as far as i know they don't really give out good time you if you get 20 years you do 20s no no you you get you get good time you but you have to do 85 percent 85 percent yeah there there's the only people that get to there there is no parole in in federal prison uh unless unless it unless you commit the crime before i think 88 87 or if if you were charged on a military base if you were part of you know part of the armed forces and you got charged so you have to do 85 percent of your time okay i got you so you're looking at 18 17 okay 17 years all right so you're on so you're on your way here you are on the bus bloody Beaumont you know i can only imagine like how i can only imagine what was going through your mind how did that impact you what were you thinking what how did that impact your your your wife your family like what was going on like what were the dynamics of it in the picture for me going down there i wasn't i really wasn't too worried about my atmosphere okay it is what it is um all my life i remember i was talking to my father we don't make excuses my mother we don't make excuses it is what it is uh we don't we don't do it we don't we don't make it through it and so um on my way there i know i'm gonna be all right some kind of way some kind of way in the end it's gonna work out now while i'm going there i'm thinking though i still might have something in the works legally something because first of all why in the world would i be going down for 20 years i should be you know listen i'm i'm i'm a christian and i'm corrie god ain't gonna leave you know yeah okay and so that's my thought god is going to god is going to take me out of this plot out of this spot right uh i just figure okay maybe a year or two once everything that peels process runs its course um as for my wife now that was the uh the bigger story that's the part that hurt me the most because we go from having stuff to not having anything and she is now on her own um she had just actually gotten her teacher certification so forth you know she had a degree and so she started teaching but the income there was nothing like what she was used to she before then prior to then she was uh stay at home wife or stay at home mother which i already called it housewife whatever she was at the house with the kids homeschooling kids and so forth and so um we just losing everything everything listen if there's a model of a woman um who held it together um who could do it she is the one to look at um was it was it wasn't easy for her at all uh and something she she didn't tell you that she wish she could have did better but uh kept the family together the kids aren't strong out on drugs this and that would have you uh and so when i come back i came back to her stability i came back to her she's got um things running so i didn't have any money when i got out of prison i didn't have anything and so she was taking care of me uh initially because again i didn't have anything and so even when she wanted i have i remind her all the time listen it ain't it ain't three women on the planet that could have did what you did and the way you did and so now and and you know how it is sometimes kids they don't they don't always see what what what what the mother's doing especially the girls they don't always see it and they got complaints and mama's this mama's that no listen what mommy mama i tell her she's a lioness she's a lioness now a lioness will love her cubs she will you better not mess with them but if the cubs get aligned the lioness has teeth and so she's gonna straighten them up but she's gonna get them all dog on it speaking of lions my dog on cat is that he always waits till i can't stand this cat i can't stand this cat on purpose and it was funny yeah the timing was good while i'm sitting talking about a lion i hear the cat i'm i have to look at the screen is eric making sounds i thought it was you and it's this old i thought it was you i was like what are you doing i'm listen i'm flowing in this story but anyway uh yeah i wouldn't do that man you but no she was she she was she she she's something else she's something else and i have to tell the kids listen you can't if you can be like her when when you're her age uh i'd be proud of you so anyway this cat yeah see my my office is the cat's bathroom so i got you i hope you hope that means you got a litter box over there yes a litter box over there it's a little box over there if my daughter is into it properly then i won't smell anything but sometimes i got you all right man so you're not really worried about yourself you're more worried about your family well not okay you arrive at the facility what's your initial impressions what how were you treated when you first walked in because i know there's a depending on i know not all facilities are are the same you know my background is the is the state prison system my background is the county jail here in vegas when i worked as an officer in both spots so i know there's a process that usually that takes place and there's a lot of clicking you know clicks you have uh there was when i my experience in indiana time when i first got in corrections was you know whites and blacks primarily and uh you know and you had it or you had people separated by uh the vice lawyers ganks the disciples what was your experience when you came in well just like any other prison more so at bowman listen it's a dangerous compound unless you're at the camp it's a dangerous compound and so everybody clicks up you got whites blacks and then you got two types of spanks you got what we call the um i don't know i forgot their name but pices pices and then you've got one like the ones that came over from yeah those those those in that gang affiliated yeah the the pices those are ones from mexico who happened to hear then the the dominant gang of mexicans down there were uh with the tangos tango blasts now even if you weren't tango blasts you still kind of ran with them if you weren't a pyser it would suck to be a mexican who lives in california who is now in texas hold different dynamic because now you got to die i don't know what that's all about but and it could be literally cousins and so you got that dynamic working for you and so everybody's got to figure out what game they're going to be in like the asians if you're asians depending on what kind of asian you might hang with the whites um if you're port now for for whatever reason um typically nine times out of ten Puerto Ricans are black in prison they they they with the blacks right uh dominicans depend on the prison they might be with the blacks or they might be with uh with with with either the tangos or or the pices uh it it it varies if you are i don't know if you're native american you gotta get in where you fit in really so everybody's clicking up everybody's clicking up at bowmont it's rough when i say rough at bowmont guys who went to other prisons and then end up going to bowmont have a hard time fitting in because the way they do time at some other other spot and then come in there bowmont is all about respect you will literally get stabbed or die if you disrespect somebody and you don't fix it that it is what it is but they're going to try you they're going to see what you're about now i walked in i had glasses on i didn't wear them as much but i had glasses on uh no tattoos no no goals uh wasn't sagging and so they're wondering you know who's this dude uh they're wondering if i was a sex offender uh or if i was you don't white collar crime or what have you and so the first thing i had to do like listen i'm here in white collar crime but don't don't don't test me do not test me i'm not you know i'm that that that person you think i am i'm not him and even though i'm not getting ready to fight i'm ready to fight you have to be because right that that first night i'm getting tried now matter of fact i almost got into with my with my cellmate because i'm moving around a little too much for him he wants he wants to try myself and listen uh do you go to bed go to bed i'm i'm not here to mess with you man but i but i promise you i ain't going back down and he kind of got the picture but i had to go ahead and get me another cell because this dude he's he's just he's just one of them guys that just want to be something that he ain't in prison well uh the uh no the third night that i was there we almost had we almost had a riot over a poker table uh the the time goes in the blacks over somebody gambling not paying his bills and they'll come and tell you hey put your boots on put your boots on for what don't worry about it put your boots on and one guy said listen i know you i know you're christian you like the bible and this and that but listen uh if we're about to go you go into even if you disagree because i can promise you when he said this what he said when the mexican get to swinging on swinging on blacks they're not going to ask you uh or you know which one are you no so put your boots on we'll tell you to and we'll figure it out later and so that's kind how it was um guys were getting touched up all the time i mean there was there was fighting all the time at bowmont now when i got sent to uh to fort worth it's a totally different spot fort worth is about as laid back as they get bowmont the opposite if you if there was a fight at fort worth it made it made headlines hey did you hear someone so got in fight at bowmont it'd be it'd be newsworthy that there weren't a fight it was so many fights there that if you and i got into a fight we weren't necessarily going to the hole as long as there wasn't no gang affiliation thing and even then if we can squash it we good so it was just that kind of place and but it taught you i had to kind of navigate that and i had to also here i am i'm trying to share the gospel administer the people in that kind of place that kind of environment guys who have this this this tension in them this anger um some of these guys are talking about these these demon slayer guys i've invited them come talk to those kind of guys they won't do it if they were with them they would see what somebody with a mean nasty spirit looks like not somebody playing uh at their church but one of these guys and if you come in the wrong way you talk about get out get out get out they're gonna knock you out they're gonna kill you and so i say demon slayer you're talking about people you're talking about casting out demons yeah talking about those folks like that okay yeah we we had i was i was talking to a guy today i said that uh we literally i literally had a guy who was scratching and cutting his face up and we asked him what's going on why he said because i'm trying to get the demon out so we took his word okay yeah you got a demon and you will and uh trying to minister to those kind of people it showed me a lot now i've been talking to guys on the street before but these are these this is a different set of this different kind of guy right and so it it taught me a lot i don't i used to be one of these guys that i i want to be i want to get along just to get along um if at all if at all possibility but at the same time though i knew that if a person is to be helped you got to be truthful with them tell that guy listen you are horrible you are rotten now let's work on it you don't get help if you don't recognize that you need help which is what one reason why a lot of men die sooner than they should because we wait to the to the last minute to go to the doctor we refuse to yeah we refuse to be sick i ain't sick but you got blood coming out your eyeball yeah that that i just i said walk it walk it off no problem and so uh i'm gonna tell you that you're wrong i'm gonna love you while i'm telling you wrong and i hope you do the exact same thing for me UK be sitting there lying and then thinking that that's okay you can't sit and do this dirty stuff and think it's okay and so i'll tell you you tell me and that's kind of and both might help have to kind of hone that in even more so than before i got you it when you talked about how they tried you the first couple of nights that made me think back on my first day walking into the prison brand new officer i had been prior to going to the maximum security section i was working in the perimeter section for a few months i'm working on graveyard shift but i had a little trouble i had some problems there and it was a pretty big problem because i couldn't stay awake i couldn't stay away from 11 o'clock to 7 o'clock in the morning with the little 12 by 8 tower that i was sitting in so they were drive by the supervisors were drive by they were shining their flashlights up there and i'm supposed to shine my back letting them know that i'm awake man i don't know how many nights they drove by while i was knocked out i'm in there just snoring away falling asleep it happened one too many times and they said if it happens too many times you get the you'll get canned they'll give you the boot yeah so i went to the superintendent of the prison and i explained my situation to him i asked him basically pleaded the guy for another opportunity and i told him i said i'm going to work anywhere i said i just can't work graveyard shift in that small environment because i keep falling asleep i said i work gsc gsc was general services complex that was the maximum security wing of westville correctional center nobody wanted to work there you had units over there called 10 dorm was gladiator dorm uh every time you turn around like at least once a week some officer was getting carted out of there from getting behind what but i said i was 22 20 yeah 22 23 years old i was like i just can't afford to lose my job i was fresh out of the army wanted to have a job so he said okay in two weeks he said you'll transfer when you come back to work he said in a week you'll when you come back to work you'll transfer over to swing shift or even the shift uh general services complex so i was like okay bet first day i walked in there when i walked down during child time it's dinner time one of the ceo's one of the corrections officers yells out fresh me fresh me talking about me so i'm like okay this is how it's going to be then you had two flaming homosexuals guys dressed up as girls with their little shirt tied up in the front and kool-aid as lipstick and uh you know an eyebrow shadow looking at me saying look at him you know acting like chicks and all this kind of stuff i just ignored it but then when i got into the dining facility out of inmate he would make these subtle remarks he would walk by me and be like what the f for you looking at but he wouldn't look at me directly he would just make these remarks so i was like first i'm like okay who's he talking to but let me back up a little bit before we started working in the jail we went through about a little four week academy and it was a joke but they kind of train you in how to deal with inmates and stuff like that in the games they play and they reminded us the fact that these guys got nothing but time to sit around and watch you do their reading do their studying research work out eat but they can read you and they know people probably better than any expert could possibly know because all they do is sit back and they observe and they manipulate and they con that's what they do so i'm trying to remember that the guy walks by me again he says something else third time he does it then i stop him i said man who are you talking to he's like what i said who are you talking to every time you walk by me you got something to say you got something to say you say it to me oh officer i'm not talking to you so i was like bad and then i thought immediately yeah he was trying to test me you see if i just sat back and i said nothing or did nothing then he would think that he could manipulate me and word would get out then i got sent to my first housing unit which was one of the worst ones so you had dudes walking around this was back in the 90s so we're talking early 90s when they still had i don't know what it's like in a lot of these uh i don't know it's like in the federal system but in the state system they were they had weights but years later they ended up taking all the weights out so you could work out but you had to do body weight stuff so you had guys walking around here all jacked up they could order protein powder and their little uh little beef links and whatnot so they all they did was eat make their little slams get their little almost like a little pizza with their soups and all the kind of stuff crust up their bags and their burritos they would just sit around eat and work out so they'd walk around you know oiled up trying to walk around all swole trying to be intimidating walking by me yeah officer can i get uh can i get a kite like a request for him yeah like here you go and then they'll kind of sneer at me and i'm like you good like you need something else no i mean no i'm good and then they but as time went on they noticed how i responded so i'm straight out of the military um by the book and man them dudes gave me the blues this straight up blues because i wasn't playing around i just if if it's the book said you can get it you can get it if it didn't you can't get it so i went from being really really hard and man some of them dudes hated me up there every time they say oh here he come uh mr child he got him y'all like oh you know they was like oh hey officer tom i mean officer moldrell can i help you out call me like an uncle tom because saying i was sounding out trying to tap dance for the white man so that went on for a long time man i remember there was a time i would go to work i would have straight up headaches i was just like man i got to deal with these knuckleheads again but then as time went on i understood that there was a time in place where you really knuckle down on the rules and there was a time where you can be a little more laid back so i learned it's the old saying is you can go from being tough to it's easier to go from being hard and tough and disciplined to being a little more lax and a little easier as opposed to starting off being soft off and then turning around and trying to be hard on people it's harder for them to it's harder to gain respect like that so there were times there was a time in place where i understood that these guys live here that they're here 24 seven they ain't going home anytime soon and that there are moments where you got to be by the book 100% but then there are other times where it's it's for the betterment of everybody you kind of be a little easy here and there when the the time for them to lock down is 10 or 11 o'clock at night if they say they want to be offered if they're an officer man the football game's almost over can when we watch it then we'll lock down like yeah go and watch the game then lock down or somebody's on the phone officer can i get five more minutes on the phone all right you got five more minutes but that's it i'm serious okay okay you know little things like that before it was like no you're off the phone let me come back and that just made things harder for me it does so then i understood that there was a dynamic of okay i gotta think about making things easier for both and and and like i said i was a young man that wasn't something i was taught the military the army taught me leadership but not in this type of environment so i had to learn how to get somebody a grown man who's serving 40 years in prison how do you convince him to make his bed like how do you convince somebody to do that and then once i started understanding what he does how what he does impacts everyone else around him as well i started you playing the dynamics okay all right if somebody pisses you off use him as a reason why everybody gotta get locked down say a reason i'm knocking y'all down because you know oh joe smith over here decided he wanted to do whatever so then i would use they were disciplined they would use some discipline some peer pressure it'd be like man don't be pissing off mold drill man he's one of the cooler guys we got don't make him an enemy oh yeah and then sometimes yeah so you were able to i was able to learn a lot of the dynamics of how that whole system worked so by the time i moved to las vegas and started working at the prison uh at the county jail in 96 man it was like that was like a piece of cake compared to what i did when i worked as a as a as a co in the state prison facility now you're talking about the county jail where they pay us starting off like twice the salary like we made twice the income that i made there while we were in the academy and you had more officers and you had a more secure facility you had less image you were dealing with i said man i can do this literally standing on my head as opposed to working that working for that state facility so man just the way a lot of people don't understand the way it works inside man there was so many politics and different things what people don't realize i okay there was a i'll never get this conversation happened between uh a co and another inmate and this guy was actually christian inmate and the co was he was upset with the inmates and he was talking trash to him he's getting ready to punish him and so on so forth or whatever and he's like what sense does it make two things what sense does it make to frustrate an inmate who you do realize that the more frustrated he gets that frustration is coming out some kind of way and it might come back out on you second thing you do realize he's getting out one day he's getting out one day and so it ain't like you the president where you you know where you guys so don't do that treat the man like a like a man because there's there's a whole lot of frustration and that's kind of the dynamic that you had to work in and i had this model that while i was there i want to do something amazing i had it on my books uh you know you make a little book covers um out of out of paper what have you and cover your books up and so i write on it do something amazing do something amazing and so the amazing part was what if god can could use me to work in some not just my life but other people's lives and see something kind of change what if that could happen and so when you can go to somebody see people think that and i saw a comment uh people think that all i want to do and it's not if you look at the channel it's not but i don't have a problem with calling out your foolishness i don't because literally literally lives are at stake including yours and so people would not they sometimes you know you get on somebody for that moment they don't they don't really appreciate it but guess guess who they come to when they're crying when mama's sick or their their their case got denied who are they coming to when they need prayer when they want to when they want to hear from the lord and they don't know how to hear from the lord who do they come to and so some of y'all don't get it some of y'all think that you put this video up it's just for fun it's it really isn't i promise you i wouldn't much rather not say anything about any false teacher or prophet ever i really would but i have to just like you as a as a guard you wouldn't much rather not have to discipline somebody uh but sometimes you got to one for the greater good because let this keep this keep going on somebody's going to get disrespected somebody's gonna gonna kill somebody because lives might be literally in the balance even more so spiritually and so i don't have a problem telling you i think you're wrong let's be grown men and talk about it you don't want to so i'm supposed to shut up that's not how that works because i care about you probably more than you care about yourself not about your greed not about your status not about your fame your followers and so forth i care about the word of the lord and how it affects you that's true care that's true love and so in prison i never had a problem matter of fact there's one guy in the in the i'll just i'll say i won't say his name but in the chats as he'll tell you as a matter of fact he'll tell you what you see here is what you get in prison let me go ahead you y'all don't yeah if y'all think i'm wrong as you can go ahead and verify and from time to time you'll see other guys that i knew in prison that will also show up in the chats but i come to you because i love you as matter of fact what was funny is our first confrontation was confrontational our first meeting was was but now hey we love each other but and he he's the kind of guy he's gonna challenge you and i challenge you but i'll be at your house i'll be at your at your at yourself i'll be there if you need me too i'm not going to turn you down if you need somebody to walk with you out to to to to to roll with you to hug on you and love on you i don't have a problem with that but i'm also going to tell you hey i think you're wrong and you can feel free to the same thing and men need that we need that all i don't care if you were at home with your mom and daddy if you had worked we all need that we all need somebody that's caring enough loving enough to love on you no matter what and so in that kind of environment it it taught me a lot to this is why people say well why don't you ever get on so-and-so this way why don't you why don't you this guy said this why don't you get on him this guy's i'll tell you why because i've seen worse than you've seen i have i'm not i'm not exaggerating guys i have seen it for the most part not not always but for the most part for most for the over one majority folks that i work in contact with i have seen and dealt with worse than you have and you know what i found out a lot of these guys can be awesome tools for the lord i've seen men who hated me because i was black i've seen men who were transgender who were um and by the way we got a lot there there's a lot of transgender people in prison yep y'all don't know oh yeah men men with breasts hey that's a hot commodity in prison but that being stated i've seen people if they're worse and i've seen what god can do with them and so i don't give up that's why i say i do not treat hear what i say this again i do not treat christians like non christians i don't i'm not going to be the brother in the lord like he's a wolf now i'll give you an opportunity to prove them to me that you're a wolf and once that's the case now you gotta prove it you're not a wolf and so like they say well i don't why don't you get on this guy or that guy because he's a brother in the lord as far as i know and so i am not going to treat a brother who isn't at the level i think he should be it because i don't want him to treat me because i'm at the level he think i should be it i'm not going to treat him like he's a cast away there are a lot of men that that the lord will let us know they are renewable that the lord still has use for them and so i'm never giving up on a person who wants to place their faith in christ in prison this guy this is funny this is a true story at bowmont before i left bowmont we had we had a big issue there um they started sending more and more sex offenders to bowmont there's two things you don't want to be in prison depends on the prison that you go to two things you don't want to be you don't want to be a snitch and you don't want to be a sex offender they sent you like now a snitch can hide right because he's not walking around with an s on his chest for snitch but sex offenders everybody seems to know the well at least the white ones they don't the black ones and hispanic ones they do a better job of hiding also but i had in my mind since the muslims by the way if you're a sex offender and you become a muslim they can't touch you if you're a snitch and you become a muslim they can't touch you as long as you take your shahada and your prayer and and and then get your uh your rug and your hat i call it you're off limits that's how i don't care if if you level for it if you at the uh the usp the medium the low you off limits so my thought was wait a second hold up how come we don't do the same thing with the with the christians on the yard and so at bowmont i was the guy that was kind of the speaker for the christians me this guy named laxie and i said from now on y'all won't leave these sex offenders alone the ones that are christian now the ones that ain't i don't know what to tell you but the ones that have said that they're christian they come to church or whatever then i said treat them like they want it like like like like they're one of us now in prison we say treat them like they're with us or one of us that means you got to treat them like they black why is that important well because if anybody white or hispanic wants to mess with them you're not messing with a sex offender now now you mess with somebody right with the blacks right a lot now the blacks we didn't we didn't treat the sex offenders as bad as uh uh the whites or the or the spanish would do for some reason in prison you've probably seen this oh yeah the leftovers of the people the outcast or whatever you get dumped on to the blacks in prison no big deal um and the reason why a lot of blacks in mind because when come time to fight we have more numbers or you know what i'm saying you got you got more part of the crew so anyway uh it was happening that for some reason the abes were just really pushing on a sex offender it's just real hard now the abes they're talking about the arean brothers arean brothers okay and so the uh i'm over at the chapel the chapel in one of the chaplains is real good friends with um sis those are like the the investigative officers inside the prison they can they can shut it down they want to and and you don't want to be under their investigation so anyway he called me in the office and he was talking to miss i forgot her name but she was she was over sis he said what's going on with the uh with the guys men with sex offenders and we talked about he said i got i got he showed me all these letters he got these sex offenders asking him to do something they feel threatened i said well i didn't know and so he um she's talking to me she said well listen i'm about to come through here and tear the whole yard up we had gone through a good season of peace no real you know not a whole lot of problems things were good we didn't want that so i called a meeting on the yard with me uh and all the white gangs the arean brotherhoods the dirty white boys the uh the woods and so forth even independence i said y'all this is what it is i said you ain't got to have me in your tv in your tv uh on your side of the the child hall or what have you that's fine but don't go out of your way to mess with or else they're coming through and one guy got a little fly with me he said well if you know who says something you don't tell us that's just like you said and i said hold a listen first of all watching you threaten number one number two i said look because what happened was a lot of the crypts and bloods wanted to get on them because they felt like they were trying to run you so sometimes you gotta i'm using a little bit of the politics with me i said the these these these crypts and bloods they looking to get up on you so make a move you want to i know it's 10 of y'all right here but it ain't right there's more than 10 of me and so i said just look and they and the blacks they've just sitting around just looking waiting to see what's gonna happen uh and and the guy that was running his mouth he got real quiet i said listen you do you let them do them you ain't got to invite them to uh eat with you but just leave them alone treat them the same way you treat the muslims don't disrespect christians like that all right they would ask it but they ain't right fine you ain't either we ain't neither that's why they send us all to the exact same they sent me and you to the same place they sent them so if they're sick what is what does the governor think about us same thing so leave them alone well what happened was they said okay fine matter of fact some of the white guys like me i'm glad you told us because we didn't you know we don't want to get the place get jacked up well they they started pushing on them again and so he called me back in the office and she's there i said listen i don't speak for all these people in the art so if you want to go through and take the place up do what you got to do but everybody else the mexican guys are leaving alone the tangos leaving alone all the blacks leaving alone and so they got this thing called diesel therapy diesel therapy in the feds because you know you got all kind of joints all over the feds diesel therapy is when they want to ship you from one spot to another spot but it's going to take you i don't know uh what would be like like the children of israel instead what would be a 40 year yeah they they're on that bus going from one spot to the next spot one guy got hit he went from bow mind to um to uh what's the place in in uh louisanna i can't think of a name a place in louisanna but it's only about two hours away two three hours away from from um from uh bow mind took that man eight months to get there oh took him eight months to get there and when he got there guess who his cellmate was a sex offender oh he's he said he wrote a letter back to his homeboy he said if anybody dream of messing with this chomo i'm a killer that what they call in prison like they call a sense of victory he said if anybody mess with him i'm a killer he learned his lesson and so and so you got all this little crazy stuff all his tension somebody's mama dies somebody's kid is sick what's that man gonna feel like he can't do he feels powerless and and they not handling his paperwork right or what have you he ain't getting all the all the the good time anything you ought to get all this stuff like that the food is all this kind of stuff it's it's everything happening here it is uh the deader winner and the heat and go the hot water goes out you go to you go to child they got cereal but the cereals they don't give you spoon to give you forks that it's like just these little stupid things they would do to you and make you more frustrated now somebody got got to go back there administer to them and so it teaches you a lot and so i mean what i say in terms of listen i'm gonna call you out but i do love you i i promise you i love you but by the same token by the same token we're not gonna treat jesus or his word uh oh we're not gonna treat him as though he's some cheap thing we're gonna i don't respect him and if you say that's what you're about then let's be about that let's let's hold each other accountable and let's talk i'm always willing to talk with you right man this conversation is going really good man two questions man because i want to give you you know i want to make sure because i know you over here had a long day you got a lot going on tomorrow you're trying to relax and whatnot so i got two questions they'll probably be a little involved but two more questions for you now we all know just listening to what that you shared with us today and some of the my own experiences we know that a lot of foolishness goes on in the prison system how hard would you say it is to live out the christian life while locked up is it would you say it's more difficult on the inside or on the outside it can be difficult it can be more difficult but it could also be easier here's here's why it can be it can be difficult because one especially with dependent on where you are there are some people that um are looking at you in prison everybody's watching you everybody is watching you so there's nothing that you can do that you can get away with and so if you out there messing with the other boys they'll know hey you know uh your christian brother he down there with the uh that happened too um oh i've seen that too he's gambling yeah all that stuff happening so they see that well the true you was going to come out in prison now what what but because you're in prison you've got more opportunity to kind of try to get it right so that's the easier part because it out here you guys that are sitting watching you all can have a have a porn app open right now and nobody would know not in prison there's always there's somebody to hold you accountable you guys can cuss somebody out who is not a christian or you don't know and there's nobody holds you accountable in prison yes there is matter of fact do you know who's going to hold you accountable more so than anybody else the non christians the muslims the buddhist atheists hey christian brother you think it was right for you to yell at that guy matter of fact they go above and beyond me listen i asked you for your for your for your chicken shouldn't you if any man asks you should you give it they don't know just try to treat you like you some kind of sissy or punk or whatever yeah the scriptures all that yeah all that stuff and so they make it hard but they also keep you on your toes um but whoever you really are you're going to find out if you are really a true believer um you become a stronger believer because everything that you can possibly think of that god will ever use to grow you in your walk you're going to find it in prison everything that you can think of whatever you've been asking god for to help you to grow your walk we have that in prison we have it in prison um and when lights turn off and you need some some quiet time some time to cry the lights go off because weird guys get underneath those covers or turnover and they go to crime they get up like man why eyes are at all man you know it's it's cold in the room you know okay so we have that it's it's difficult um but if you just give it over to god if you if you make up your mind you know what i am going to live the life that i should have been living i'm gonna live it people don't think people think that people in the bible were just pristine when you look at somebody like a joseph joseph was not an innocent person when he went when he was sold in the in the captivity now he wasn't in the in the sense that he had issues joseph was an arrogant prideful person he's sitting there bragging to his brothers like wait a second joseph first of all joseph wasn't very wise but then again he was young that makes sense but what did god do to him god taught him some things everybody that is every every man in the bible learned something they had to overcome whatever the shortfalls were now sometimes we have the benefit of seeing it sometimes we don't we know that paul was a proud person paul talks about his pride as a matter of fact it comes out in his right matter of fact paul gets so slick with his pride his boastfulness he said i ain't gonna i ain't gonna boast no more i'm i'm through being proud and arrogant but what i will boast about is is is this and he said i could talk to you about how i'm this i'm this i'm this i'm this it's almost like he's just humble bragging but what i will boast or is that so his arrogance does come out and then he says the reason why i was given this thorn in the flesh is because i know of a man who sometime ago was called to the third heaven and so to keep me from exalting myself because you know i got i got a little bit of arrogance and a little bit of pride in me let me go ahead god gives me this and when i pray to have it taken away what does god say shut up paul i'm that's me paraphrasing but he says my grace is sufficient and so we all go through we all have a process that we have to go through and i say it this way to all the guys in prison um whatever it is you're going to be um god has equipped you or at least will equip you to be that can you think of think about this if you were to just write out draw out what kind of man you want to be or what kind of woman don't you all want to be somebody that has the ability to overcome adversity now we don't want to overcome adversity while going through it nobody wants that but to be the kind of person that can go through it don't we all want to be especially man the hero well heroes go through stuff and deal with stuff and so i made in my i'm going to be the kind of person that can go through that and not bad or not that's what i want to be i want to be the kind of person that god can develop to have some good character but also trusting enough to where i won't flinch when the walls are coming in and so when they deny my case and when mama's passed away and when they sent me in the shoe and they ship me to a different place god i'm still with you i'm not gonna i'm not gonna waver if you talk about me okay you call listen you can call me every day in the book won't bother me at all and so that's the kind of man i want to be and thankfully god used prison to do just that for me to develop me i think now am i there no i got some ways to go but i'm a lot better than i was before i went to prison that part is for sure amen uh so we during your you know while you're doing while you're doing your shows while you're having some of your live videos i noticed you love to really dissect the text you love to discuss the greek and hebrew so clearly you went to seminary was that something you went through while you were locked up no no no well okay um i had started i started in seminary i i still have to finish um okay i haven't had the time just yet now i'm supposed to go back and finish hopefully hopefully um back in in the summer but i've always wanted to be a person that i know what i'm speaking you know speaking about i don't i didn't want to be when i when i was uh i was a managing principal of the investment firm and so if i got up to speak i wanted to be able to know what it was that i'm saying can you imagine me giving a seminar because i would give seminars at different places i'd be on we had radio broadcast and so on the radio saying something is like that's not true so you have to make sure that you know what you're talking about not to be right but just to understand the uh the environment and so i'm talking about investments um i don't determine which way the market is going i don't determine which which way this particular stock of this portfolio should be hey no i want to be able to see the lay of the land what's happening economically um geopolitically and so forth how is this going to affect there's a war going on over here how is it going to affect this particular um this particular uh agriculture issue that we use let's say for uh for oil we need oil there's a war going over here how's it going to affect the price of oil we need oil to to to ship and transport these goods and services what is that going to the market those kind of things and so i wanted just to be able to understand what was happening well that same thing is needed when you're looking at at the bible um the bible wasn't put together to please me or to make me feel good it it's a reflection of what actually happened and so we're looking at how things were uh from a thousand feet above but also from on the ground and one of the things that my one of my former pastors told me was he says corey you need to study some more not because i was off but he says i think that that seminary and especially learning the languages would benefit you well i always said i can't do that i don't have time with ministry with family and with the business i don't have time now he said i think he was hinting that i need to get rid of the business no god gave me that business course he didn't give me that business so when i get to prison they had in the library they had this uh it's a Hebrew this this Hebrew book i wanted to learn but i didn't have the money to buy the books it's like but they had a Hebrew book there and they had some jews on the compound that could help me and so i went and checked the book out and what funny thing was when i checked this book out i i didn't i kept that book for i don't how long kept that book i say i i i i will go back i said pastor you know i pastor chaplain you know i i stole this book right here right with no big i didn't really steal the book but i had the book in my possession just so i can just learn this thing and learn this thing and learn this thing uh finally someone actually bought me a Hebrew book and so i was just just engrossed in it just trying to learn this stuff but then we had a chaplain who was an actual honest to goodness greek scholar he wants to become a pastor as a matter of fact i hope to get him on in the next month or two but he wants to become a pastor but he cuts his teeth at prison being a chaplain he wants to minister to the lowest on the totem pole so to speak right if he can minister to the inmates then he said it would be easier to minister to people out in the world which i think is true well he's a greek scholar i got this book back here by daniel wallis he is he is he is a compadre of daniel wallis as they've even wrote a book together called revisiting the corruption of the greek new testament the man is excellent it comes to greek and so he who is it his name is uh j right uh brian j right and he is when it comes to greek he's just he's just asking with it he he is i would bring him on and then i wouldn't even say anything in the greek because out of fear of me saying it the wrong way uh he's just that good but he just he just got me even more into learning uh the greek and you don't learn Hebrew and greek just for the sake of learning Hebrew and greek you want to apply it so when you look at a passage and someone says something like wait a second that's not really what that passage means i can't i can't have a conversation with someone uh first of all no one speaks corny greek and no one speaks biblical Hebrew but if someone were to really start speaking those those languages are kind of out of fashion there's modern people in modern greek but if someone were to go speaking it um i couldn't okay what is slow down a little bit i i can't i can't catch what you're saying but if if it's written i can read it okay all right i get that oh i see i see what he's trying to say here and so a lot of times when folks say things and i go back and look at the Hebrew greek because again and folks get bothered by this which i think is just silly i what it really is is people's insecurities come up when you when you indicate or they know that that you might know Hebrew or greek it bothers them why i don't know why uh because the bible sovereignly god gave us the bible in Hebrew and in greek and with a smattering of air make and so if i look at the passage in the language that god gave it to us in he didn't give it to us in english i know somebody's gonna be bothered but he did not give it to us in english someone who understood Hebrew air making greek translated into english and so but now we've got these different translations well what's the best word what's the correct word what's up what's a more here's a bad way of saying it but so you all can understand what i'm saying what's a more better way of saying this greek word in english or a more better way of saying this hebe word in english since language has changed today if i say something is cool that that's if i say it's cool what what do i mean just the term it's cool well are you talking about something is great or the temperature right or um what is fine am i talking about something that i owe uh grains of sand uh this this the way this person looks so that's the problem that we have with languages and so we're constantly trying to find the better way of understanding uh one of these Hebrew air make or greek words so that's why that's why i do so that's why um um somebody said dr michael brown speaks fluent Hebrew in greek but he's like yeah because sometimes what happens is uh just because you know the languages doesn't mean that your your your theology is correct because sometimes we interpret the languages in light of our theology if i believe if i'm charismatic then i'll see everything in a charismatic lens if i am a Calvinist i'll see things from a Calvinistic lens if i am Armenian or dispensational i'll see things with that lens the point of the language is is to try to get rid of some of that and when you have a conversation with someone else who knows the languages then it's kind of hard for your theology to come through when they say wait a second this word means that how can it mean that if it if it literally says this and so that's a cool part about languages and so being in prison gave afforded me the time to spend time to learn that to learn church history to understand how the bible is put together how it's laid out the uh the the chronological order and what's happening who god is talking to i it it literally guys is just like you're watching the movie how god is unfolding this stuff it is it is it's really amazing and everything just really fits perfectly together so amen that was my so you did how so you did overall you did how many years in the federal system i did 13 and then i have one more question after that wonderful glorious years 13 years all right so which leads me into our final question what was the transition like back to the real world that's something people talk about but at the same time you know a lot of people don't really go into a lot of detail what was that like man how difficult was it to adjust it wasn't difficult it was a lot of re re re acclamation when i got out first of all the roads had changed there's a whole lot of more people out here driving um there's a lot more technology when whereas i don't have it here when i got out i wanted to have my mp3 player because that's what we had in prison that's how many this is my my you know i'm working out right and um so when i work out i gotta have my music in me by the way guys and my son-in-law gets kicked out of this he gets it and my wife does too when i work out do not i might listen to gospel can't do it can't do it don't put no no slow music on no i need some rough thug music on right i listen i'm fighting with the bar see i work out car we do we do crossfit and listen you want to just stop you want to so i gotta get mad at something and so uh i don't listen to it other than that it's like you somebody introduced me sorry y'all i didn't say who this introduced me to to uh to some songs and it's just talking about beating somebody up fighting whatever you know calling somebody out well on the way pile in prison everybody is talking trash to each other everybody you ain't nothing you this and that with it right and so it's like a competition well i'm one of these guys that when you say i can't do it i'm gonna do it and so the music in my ears got me going got me what would you say so uh so much so this is funny you're like this as you work out there's some listen guys there's some big strong dudes in prison there's some guys oh yeah you don't want them to hit you wrong record level lifts yeah y'all talk about these guys in any field they can bench there's some guys in prison they we got one guy he 180 pounds and he bench pressing 525 and no nobody's spot him no break he just breaks it himself hold this what you want and push it back up so i go to the to the to the yard i i get sent to Siegelville no i don't listen i don't listen to nwa um but i'm not gonna lie is there is there some profanity in my workout list yeah there's a little bit y'all forgive me uh but it gets me through but i go to this guy big red actually call him dirty red uh due to strong and so i need some motivation and so i go stand over him while he's benching he's looking like what's up i said i'm trying to figure out what you he said what what's wrong i don't i don't know this guy i said i'm trying to figure why in the world all right what's going on with you man are you serious he said what you're talking about i i shake my hand walk away he said what's going on homie well he called me he called me school you know because i'm older than him what's going on school i said man i don't even know you're i'm ashamed of you listen you like being strong but you like being fat at the same time what you what i'm talking i'm talking trash to him too he don't even know me i said i'm looking at your form you got some muscle but i don't know who you're trying to press and so we become real good friends because like are you serious this dude talking trash and i said what you're laughing at you ain't doing nothing either so so that's kind of me i i go i go to wait pow i'm throwing a bomb at everybody because man we're gonna work out y'all we we're gonna we're gonna work out because the tv room in prison is a place where you where a lot of fights start but also the wait pow because guys get disrespected but if we all there together i want to be harmonious we working together hey you use them dumbbells let me get i don't know no problem court you know so i kind of want a little family atmosphere there right i'm the guy that's going to get everybody we all working out together right and so and so uh anyway uh the transition coming back home was how am i going to do my work my my prison workout i need an mp3 player my wife is trying to convince me no you don't need an mp3 player woman you don't know what you're talking about i need mp3 baby nobody uses mp3 you don't know what you're talking about i get home i don't know mp3 player because she i don't know technology i don't know the streaming services i don't know the internet when i left everybody had cable now ain't nobody got cable right everything so that part is is is one thing um the clothes that you guys wear i should go back to prison because you guys are horrible with your style the boys dress like girls the girls dress like boys and is right listen y'all i went to prison y'all and y'all lost your mind uh but also something else i've noticed the attitude of people is just a little bit more sensitive now and a little bit you now you know you you know eric in prison if you got a sensitive attitude then you somebody's girlfriend you that ain't that's not working uh you are literally in their guy they got guys that that literally clean other guys underwear they they do have that right and so that's what you are if you that sensitive but anyway that part okay just readjusting things that i didn't see but as far as everything else i didn't really have to to really readjust um my wife or kid would ask me what do you want for dinner don't matter to me what because again for 13 years i go to chow hall and you tell me what you're feeding me instead of me saying what i want you know uh and i didn't even it it wasn't even uh questionable whether it's going to be good or bad if it's good amen god bless us if it's bad well that's what we expect this is what it is and so i acclimated what in the problem but there are some guys though who do have it why because in prison your time is regimented you you have a routine you get up at this time because we have you know uh moves on the yard so we go from from from eight thirty nine thirty nine thirty ten thirty ten thirty eleven thirty then we go back to to the house um and then everybody go different units go for child then from twelve thirty one thirty one thirty so everything's kind of segmented and really the small segments in in really three segments the one that the segment before i mean before uh lunch between lunch and dinner and then after dinner to yard recall right and so you use that routine guys come back home from prison they don't understand what they because they've been for five ten fifteen twenty years they had a routine now i don't know what to do ten o'clock or nine thirty wherever you are i got count time four o'clock count time it's four o'clock i'm this was funny when i first got home four o'clock came i was ready to get counting i was ready to get counting um i wear i wear my house shoes all over the house now i don't i don't walk on my own floors i don't walk barefoot on my own floor that's a prison thing right yeah we wear shower shoes now i don't wear shower shoes in my own shower i haven't got that part uh y'all y'all forgive me when guys use the bathroom they're all they're constantly flushing constantly flushing so what am i doing at home running my water bill up and it's just it's a some things and my institutionalized there are some things that i i do have some institutionalization in me but not i'm not i'm not as we say burnt up i'm not messed up like that though but i didn't have too too big of a uh readjustment i guess because i've been focusing more on my kids my grandbabies my wife and my kids and so that kind of helped out so right right all right cori so for those who might be on here watching and they're they're they're following my content and they love the conversation that we have where can people get a hold of you uh you can get a hold to me anywhere on youtube i'm all over youtube i'm on everybody's channel i'm on you can go to the smart i didn't see you at joe rogan so hey i'll be there next i'll be there next he'll not kidding uh smart christian channel and i would say also for you guys that are on my channel listening please do me a favor go to cold red conversation um and subscribe that now what he's done and some of you guys would appreciate it a lot of times what he has done i know i know you said you you kind of moving uh uh kind of moving a little bit different direction or adding some things but here adding some things i'm still going to be dealing with the police related matters but yeah i'm gonna be adding some more content more on on the lines of like a more of a biblical worldview issue but yeah y'all that's how i first found them though i forgot what was happening what was the case because it was like five six seven things happening when i first discovered your channel uh i know one of them was the was the little 13 year old girl that was getting really stabbed another kid in the in the cop shot uh and you covered that uh and some other stuff and so i said man this guy and he's not he's not he's not um pro police or anti police he's not pro um person he's just straight with it from his from his viewpoint and from a godly man's standpoint of you so y'all make sure that y'all go over to uh if you don't have it as a matter of fact it's playing right now i'm looking at my channel over here and then your channel here but go to cold red conversation or do you say that it's uh oh i'm sorry look i'm going to title but cold red conversations guys don't just go look at it but go subscribe support this brother we need more more godly men out there like that and and that is it's seiko's watching here's a ball head brother that doesn't mind showing the ball head not at all proud proud display all that all and all of its glory big as it is my brother man i definitely appreciate you uh us doing this we're working together us being on each other's channels man uh once again your content has been a blessing to me uh continue doing what you're doing being used to the glory of god it's wild the journey that we can be on that the lord could take us on the fact that you went through everything that you went through to be here at this time doing what you're doing and being able to have such a good uh you know your reach is growing and being able to have such a large impact that's truly a blessing man just continue to be allowed the lord to use you yeah thank you by the way let me let me say this also too if i hadn't said guys you're going to notice something probably in the next i think the next week i think we're ready to start rolling some things out in the next week about the channel i told you all before you'll see uh a little bit of an uptick and the amount of times that we may um say or call out someone's bad teaching or something like that a little bit more than normal we're still about 80 percent of the channel is on teaching stuff um the reason being because you're also going to notice about another 100 200 videos are going to be deleted because of video quality or audio quality so they'll be they'll be done all over again and you're going to see a whole new setup and so you all be on the lookout for that i i think i personally think that you all are going to enjoy the channel even more so um and things will be a little bit better but now i'm going to come to you guys in a little bit now so i want you all to do this do me this favor and that's why i'm saying this now you can't send it to me just yet in the next couple days i'll give you where to send it to but i want you guys to on your own just jot down jot down a good church i don't care if it's one church or 20 churches a good church the name of the church and if you could also provide the if they have a website link that as well because people all over the country are looking for good churches to go to and so i want to make sure that on the website that they'll have access to go and check out a good church and so this little church search that we'll have also on the website will be there but i can't i don't know all the churches but you guys who are smart christians you do we don't know what kind of scandals going on so we we can't say that but other than as far as we know it's a good church good sound doctrine the pastor is not trying to be a diva and so forth and so i'm going to come to you in the next few days guys you'll see a post asking you to submit the names of very good churches as well as pastors and oh by the way on the website there are going to be teachings not from just me there are going to be teachings from a lot of other people i'm also going to come to ask you guys for help support meaning if you've got books that you want to help so that we can send into prisons and the folks that they would like to have to to be able to study some things more in depth they don't have the either the economic resources to do so or just because they're locked up in many cases the ability to do so as well as sending out bibles to people not just in prison but in other parts of the of the globe as well and so we're going to be asking for your support for that that's the reason why folks say hey can i can i buy this shirt can i get there the reason why is because it wasn't set up i don't want to just sell a t-shirt for the sake of selling t-shirts i could do that but i don't want to do that i wanted i wanted to actually go somewhere and so we're going to use you guys to help further the mission of the kingdom so i just want to put that out there before i said elevation church you want to we're going to send some bibles to elevation church amen that's what we're going to do senior conrad so anyway i want to thank you all so much as well eric thank you for this was wonderful i can't get this i can't get this thing to move let me go over here okay there it is i was trying to get senior conrad off the screen too much of him so but anyway thank you guys eric is there is there anything that you want to say on the way out no that's it y'all um just continue to support cori and and what he's doing and uh yeah come on over y'all i hadn't been putting out content as of late but i've been recording videos over the last couple of weeks so i have probably good six videos that'll be going up here very shortly long form interviews conversations discussions with people addressing issues such as critical race theory socialism uh how we know uh we can how can we know that we can trust the bible apologetic topics so we're going to be discussing the whole host of things and plus i have more content coming out with some of the more recent incidents going on as well the more recent shootings and police related events so stay tuned for that they should be coming out very soon but that's it that's it i appreciate it again brother i appreciate you giving me this opportunity no problem listen uh i'd be wrong if we didn't end with the wonderful intro outro that we have at as i think i think i think i might be wrong i'm biased but i think it's the best intro outro uh on youtube so all you guys be blessed and we shall see you tomorrow amen amen peace