ple good headers I don't give him a five. I give him a six kounday I think I feel like lamina mall should have used him utilized him a little bit more Monster gaming to barsa deserved to win. I don't know. I don't think so But I don't think they deserve to lose five three. That's for sure I think you'd probably deserve to be a draw if I were going to be honest Um, but I absolutely do not think we deserve to lose It's it's always tough because you have to push the game at the end to win and then it's easy to be exposed at the back but How has arojo gotten a lower score than inocu peña and level. Yeah level was terrible, uh and peña Oh, man. He was useless He was really bad. It's like you got to feel bad for the kid. All right. He's But I don't know you got to make a save man Unus 1v1s. He's terrible too. He's so poor on 1v1s, man He's really bad on 1v1s really really bad Kubarcy was okay. I'm gonna put that last goal on him though Like you could also put it on cancello and you could also put it on everyone in peña, but I don't know. I think you should have put more pressure. Kubarcy was good. Kubarcy was very good He made some really good tackles. I was very excited to talk about him sometimes. So I want to give him credit for that Uh, pedri really good. I thought pedri was really good this match very composed scored a goal solid game um Ferran Torres great energy very helpful when he came on solid player. I'm happy with him I'm gonna move this back down so you guys can Kind of see the rest of the players here Rita, okay He could have scored a goal. He played okay. I give him a six and a half Uh, not great not perfect Yeah, what's everybody saying I want to answer I saw some a couple of questions here Um, that I didn't answer rob. Do you think if we had any money? Maybe our situation would have been better Absolutely Our situation would be so much better if we could spend 120 million euros a summer Like we did when we bought coutinho and greezman and dembele all those years ago If we could do that we could have bought polina or zubamendi this summer or somebody like that that could have fulfilled the cdm position And that changed the team drastically drastically uh Even just that one change is huge. It would have made such a big difference in the squad Pro against napple. It's gonna be one-sided. No napple is not good People some of you might not be watching seria and I don't but I've been paying attention And they are not good at all right now me when I'm not saying we are But they aren't it's not a team. We should be intimidated by it's a competition that we are intimidated by but the team We're playing not a good team right now Not a good team at all Um, would you give astrolaga a chance? Absolutely. Look we can look up a little bit about under astrolaga right now That's giving me literally no information about him Look, he's oh, we're gonna adjust this Under astrolaga the guy is 19 years old six foot three. So he's taller than in inyaki peña who i'm pretty sure six foot one um And honestly it can't get much worse than inyaki peña. Am I wrong? So I probably give astrolaga a shot. Yeah, I think so. I don't think I'm worried about keeping inyaki peña's Uh confidence up because it's not even like his confidence is helping. He's he's not good He's not good at all. I think one of you guys in chat could easily go and play that position and get luckier than peña is right now I'm not saying it's all on him. He made good saves at one point in this season I want to give him credit for that. It's tough to come in and occupy a position when you haven't been a first team player Really ever in your life, but I would probably give astrolaga a chance. Why are we so weak to counterattacks? Look, uh, it's different at the end of matches where we have to push everybody up Adaho was playing as a striker You know and It was a little messy sure, but I don't know Quad you didn't bring bad luck. What why not play romeo as a goalkeeper? Sure. You use his bald head Maybe they'll scare the ball away or something This is weird, but I really prefer performances like this to stale 1v1 wins. It's a fun match Okay, it's a fun match, but we need to win. I take a one-nil win over this every day of the week We need wins desperately right now chavi needs wins What how much of this is on chavi? um A little bit of it a decent amount of it. Look, we can't help the guys being out of position or making the wrong decisions on the pitch, but And we'll go back to the main screen We can help Our decision-making chavi can help his decision-making when it comes to who's who he's putting on the pitch Right, he can help if he's taking off lewa in the when did he when did lewa come off? Let me see here lewa came off In the 77th minute. He was useless this whole game This entire game. He was useless uh I'm gonna see what football what uh twitter is saying here. I'll I'll share my screen with you guys We'll go back to the starting lineup You guys can see my who I follow on twitter You guys want to follow me? It's bob lilo. We can see what twitter is saying Or I said tmpo a conversation needs to be had about peña Good call the fair count. We'll give that we'll give that a like Uh youtube stuff mess. Let's see what respond neil what we've conceded nine goals in our last two games Yeah, that's a good point neil Let's see. I haven't been up today none yesterday's this season isn't a write-off title race Although we're literally fighting tooth and nail for a top four finishing Yeah Isn't a write-off this doesn't make sense change is needed and the players are absolutely at fault, but something isn't right And there's only one man you can replace He's not wrong You know neil isn't wrong here. This isn't a bad take. I think I agree with him um Look I I don't know if replacing chabi fixes this you know what I mean Like I I get I get the chabi out argument and he is making mistakes. This isn't all on the players A lot of it is but it isn't all on the players So I don't know if the solution is bringing another coach into this mess right now um I blame the players. I blame the manager. I blame every single directly associated with this mess All of it is unacceptable. Uh, it's a little dramatic. I'd say but he's not wrong again He's very much so not wrong Let's see what everybody else is saying Let's see what people are saying. I oh god. I don't even want to open. This is going to be terrible San marino football meme team play a match Please barcelona We can window win nobody barcelona. How can I say this? I'm running out of energy I think we're all running out of energy um Luminium all becomes the youngest player to lose five yikes get this training out of my club. Yeah Talk fcb. I'm running out of energy How to even fix this? I don't know guys. I don't know what we should do. It's a little messy right now Our squad's in trouble. What is everybody saying? However, we thought I'd come into the post Nice crowd. Yeah, this is crazy. What's up? 560 of you guys? That's so cool um Do you guys want to join and become a channel member help me make more videos and more live streams? You can there's a join button right next to my right next to the subscribe button Uh They conceded Five goals for the first time since it's 1963. I mean, that's not true. I remember a In a two capitulation. Maybe that's at home. I don't know We need money. We do need money, but this team is good enough to succeed without it You know what I mean? Like this isn't this isn't a terrible squad Frankie de Jong is the highest paid footballer In mid the second the highest paid midfielder in football for a reason because he's good. Yeah, he's overpaid But still Pedri is Pedri one of the best midfielders in the world as well Okay, Aroha can be good at times. Kunde can be great Levandowski, we all know who Lawa can be Okay things This team isn't terrible Chavi has players. He has guys that can perform Fifteen 16 goals in five games is abysmal. Yes, it is shadow. That's a very good point And that is not all on the players a lot of that is on Chavi But I just I don't know if introducing Rafa Marquez or some interim coach right now is going to do anything You know like There is so much pressure on him right now And I get being upset We need a boost gets replacement. Yeah, we do matej. Yeah, we do As bad the team is going through a rebuild. Exactly. Look, it's upsetting. It's really upsetting because we know these guys can be good But I don't know. I don't know if replacing Chavi right now is the solution Chavi out. He should be arrested for his crimes. Not even sacked I think in yaki pain is a big problem here He didn't have a good game and look everybody has a bad game But he doesn't after a good bad game like this Andres Rolago deserves to play He can't be much worse than that One save five goals Don't ever play lewa again lewa should have sat lewa should have either sat from the first minute or been subbed off at 45th minute 60th minute whatever whenever you guys want.  He needed to go off I want stagen back. I'm so done. Uh, yeah, got it Formation maybe go more defensive Maybe maybe things Chavi needs to experiment. He needs to try more things Okay, this team we weren't Terrible today. We lost five three. Okay, it's easy to say we were terrible. It was pretty back and forth and we weren't good but I don't think we deserved to lose five three, but we did so it doesn't really matter what we deserved or not Um In the last two games, there had been a lot of misunderstanding between defenders and penia Yeah, that last goal was up to that Cubars we didn't need to step in and try and clear it Uh, penia clearly is not talking speaking loud enough And the centerbacks don't know what he's thinking because that's impossible to know Uh christensen as the as cdm. Yeah, we were calling that at the beginning of the match We wanted to see chavi try it. I offered to gift a bunch of members if he did but he didn't You know, so we're here, uh I don't really Know what else to say bars is still in the title race I mean Yes Because you never know what could happen. Uh, realistically, I don't think so. I think 12 points is a little bit too much I don't think Madrid is fantastic, but I don't think we're good enough to make up that distance right now So I'd say we're probably out of La Liga And that's big for me because I've been Denying that fact for a while now, but yeah, dr. Diabolical. I think we're out um At alho can be blamed today. I agree. I don't I don't put this on at alho ever at all I think he played fine. I don't think he played great. He made mistakes, but it's not his fault. We lost I think that rayon which is why don't you think that rayon Madrid is fantastic? Well for one loonin and keppa are not champions league winning goalkeepers. They might be able to struggle through la liga Uh, thank you real and complex man. But yes, lewa plant is like playing with 10 men Lewa is not like playing with 10 men. It's like playing with 10 men against 12 men Because lewa consistently gives the ball back to them He cannot hold the ball up for his life and he he can't Link up well with his teammates This needs to work on to the conference league. That's a little over dramatic But I think I'm gonna have to like revisit my entire video that I'm gonna for tomorrow Um might have to delay it because I think I have some more things to say and I think I think you guys I think the barcelona community needs to hear differently than I was gonna talk about it Later quad go learn another language stop thinking about barcelona. It's all good. Why not play cosido? Yeah, maybe play cosido. This is what chavi needs to do and I talk about this in my new video Basically that chavi needs to experiment He needs to try new things because now especially right now expectations are as low as they could be as low as they could possibly be and So look, we're not winning la liga this season.  I'm not saying we're gonna win I don't think that's gonna happen. But if we get fortunate with some matchups, who knows I say let chavi try to figure it out Okay, if we keep getting destroyed Maybe not arrow. I get it losing your voice after this. I'm gonna have a sore voice for sure But We have an interesting season ahead. It's not gonna be amazing. We're not winning la liga We're probably not gonna win the champions league and so we might walk out with nothing But we can still compete And I hope chavi tries out and experiments with new formations new positions And you know, maybe new players maybe cosido playing as a cdm things like that That is something to be excited for because these are guys for the future Naki Pena should be sick, but Three center backs system. Rudy, we basically have a three center back system with three center backs playing kounday at our home christensen Look kounday, basically, he was more or less in a right back today I don't think he did any defending or he did some but more or less. He was a right back Raph cancella was terrible today. Yes, he made a ton of errors and cost us a goal But he it's his first game back from injury, you know, can we really put this entire loss on him? Maybe but I can't hold it against him that against him for the rest of his career, you know so Don't give up on this club either. Seriously. Look, we are You guys I gotta remind you again and again and I get it, but we aren't We're still in rebuild barcelona is still rebuilding and building back up from what it once was Viper calm down, bro um, and and so We can't expect them to be perfect We can expect them to beat via reala 14th play squad But we're not going to win the treble. We're not going to probably win la liga or the champions league, but You know our expectations have to be lower um We can't afford players like we have the financial capacity of I don't know me So like we can't we can't be buying all these players. We've been rebuilding since barcelona. Yeah, we have been bro We are rebuilding. We've been rebuilding the entire time. Javi is being coach Coleman. It was still a downfall there We were still a mess it's okay but Yeah, the 97 minute handball could have changed the game wasn't a handball. I don't know I could argue both ways I see it both sides.  I gotta head out I gotta figure out how I'm gonna rewrite this whole video because I gotta really change up how it is But Yeah, thank you guys for joining 530 viewers is insane. 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Okay, we've started. So we were in James chapter 2, yeah, then I told how James is encouraging the believers to treat everybody equally. Now from verse 5 he says, listen my beloved brethren has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which he promised to those who love him. Verse 6, but you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts. I'll go ahead and read till verse 9, verse 7. Do not, do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called. If you really fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. You shall do well. But if you show partiality, you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. So he is talking to the people and he is telling them that the rich are blessed. They generally, like people might look at them and say, hey, they are blessed because they have everything that they need. But looking at the poor, he is making these statements and he's saying that just like the rich, even the poor are blessed by God. He says, has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith? Does it mean that only the poor can be rich in faith? No, that's not how we must interpret it because if that is the case, then God is showing partiality to the poor. But God does not have any partiality and he does not want either the rich to receive preferential treatment or the poor to receive preferential treatment. And thereby what God is saying to James is that just the rich are chosen by God to have faith. Similarly, the poor are also chosen by God to have faith. The rich are heirs of the kingdom, meaning the rich believers are the heirs of the kingdom. Even the poor believers are heirs of the kingdom. So in this manner, God has equal way of treating people and that should be the same case. And now he adds and he says, is it not, you have dishonoured the poor man with partiality, but think about the rich who oppress you and drag you into the courts. Now again, we should not be understood as how rich people are like that. No, but the oppressive rich or the rich person who is exploiting the poor person, such a one has done evil to the poor man. And so, you know, he's saying, why I may be in the in the church at that time, the poor, the rich, whether they did the right thing or the wrong thing, they were being treated well because they were rich. And James wanted to change that. And that is why he's addressing the rich person.  And also notice that he refers to something as a royal law, which is to love your neighbour as yourself. As Jesus also taught, which are the commandments that one should keep.  So, this is a key commandment, which is what even James is talking about as the royal law. If you do this, if you are motivated by love, then you will end up doing the right thing. Coming to verse 10 here. So, he says, for whoever shall keep the whole law and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For he who said, do not commit adultery, also said, do not murder.  So, speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy, mercy triumphs over judgment. So, he is just helping them understand about the grace of God here. Now, remember I told you, section by section, thought by thought, James is instructing the believers. So, here he is talking about the law, the whole law. What is the whole law? We know that Moses gave the 10 commandments and then there were also even different laws that had to do with the way God's people need to live. So, he is covering all this and he is calling it the whole law and specifically, he points here and he says, you see, when you look at the 10 commandments, there are 10 commandments. What if you keep one and you break the other? You are still not good enough because you have not kept the whole commandment or you have not kept the whole law. So, he says that if such a thing happens, you know, why should God still continue to be gracious to us? Because you have not kept the whole law, but then God is the one who has given us mercy though we do not deserve it. Okay? Though we are not perfect, he has given us mercy and that is the way in which, you know, God has shown his grace to us. He says mercy triumphs over judgment. So, God's mercy has triumphed over his judgment. So, what comes within the mercy? Jesus Christ, his redemptive work, you know, him giving us the blessings of the cross. So, all that is the mercy. But actually, who are we?  So, that is our original position. We were sinners, but thank God for his mercy.  No, God's mercy has saved us. So, mercy triumphs over judgment and in the same way, James wants the people also to extend grace and mercy to those who are actually needing judgment. Okay? So, yeah. So, that's the thought which is given over here. Now, coming to verse 14, from verse 14 to verse 19, there is a different thought about faith and also about works. So, what does he say here? He says, what does it profit my brethren? If someone says he has faith but does not have works, can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food and one of you says to them, depart in peace, be warmed and filled but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body. What does it profit? Does also faith by itself. If it does not have works is dead, but someone will say you have faith and I have works. Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God, you do well, even the demons believe and tremble. So, James is simply saying that believing is a step, but acting on the belief is how you complete your walk with God. So, taking one step of believing is very important but if you leave it at that, then faith will not be complete. It has to be accompanied by action. So, if you want to look at it this way, when we have a coin, what happens? There is something imprinted on one side and then there is something imprinted on the other side. We never see a coin on which you have only one side, which has an image. Similarly, when it comes to our faith, faith must have actions. If there is only faith, no use. Only believing doesn't help. Only actions doesn't help. There's got to be faith as well as action. So, that's why he's asking this kind of rhetorical question. He says some say, you have faith but I have works. Is that good enough? No, that's not how the kingdom of God works. So, put action to the faith. Now, let's say, if I'm believing God that I'm going to be blessed in my workplace, then I have to work hard. Without working, if I just say, I'm praying, I'm praying, I will be blessed in my work. Where is the action? If you believe that you're going to be blessed in your work, put in the work. Similarly, when we are ministering to people, if we say that, oh, this brother is struggling so much, I really care for this brother. So, I'm only going to pray. I'll only pray, pray, pray, pray. But what if God has given you something that you can use to bless that person? Let's say something as simple as you have some time and this brother is in the hospital. You can just go visit the brother there, isn't it? To show that care, to show that affection, maybe that will make a big difference in that brother's life. So, put action to the faith. Generally, we have usually after service and I'm just sharing this with you because some of you will be pastors also. After service, people will come, they'll say, okay, pastor pray for me. I don't have a job or pastor pray for me. My father is sick. Pastor pray for me. I'm struggling financially. So, one thing is we can pray for them. We can ask for the release of the gifts of the spirit, prophesy over them, ask for miracles to take place in their lives. All that's great. But always think, is there anything else I can do for this person? Maybe a visit.  Okay, let us see what we can do. You could probably send somebody from your church. If you can't go, you're very busy. You can tell one of the leaders and say, hey, can you pay a visit? Just go meet this person in the hospital and come back. You can ask this brother, is it okay? Can somebody come to the hospital if they say, yes, just take down their number and send somebody. It would be a blessing to them. Now, if somebody says, brother, it is winter time. I don't have money to buy clothes. We hear their need and we pray for them and we say, let God provide you with the clothes and send them back. But instead of just leaving it at that, what if you could do something? Maybe somebody that we know or we ourselves have some extra clothes, how about we put it in a bag and write a note, may pray for you, hope this is a blessing to you and just give them practically, give them maybe two shirts or a blanket or something. What happens? There is faith, but there is also action and that is the way we are showing that we are believers. We believe and we do. So, both have to go hand in hand. So, it's very practical. What James is saying is so practical. He's saying, come on, if you say, you're a believer, show it. So, that's the way in which we must live out our Christian life. And verse 19, he's saying it and it's sort of, it really pricks your heart. He says, you believe that there is one God, you do well, even the demons believe and tremble. So, he says, look at the demons. They also believe that there is one God. So, it's like he's saying, what is the difference between you and, you know, demons that are evil in nature? If you say you believe, even they believe, but just believing is not sufficient. Believe that acting on our faith is what is very, very crucial. Verse 20, he says, again, about faith and action, little more, he adds to it. But do you want to know, oh foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Now, he gives examples of people who were noted for their faith, but they also had action. Who are these people? Verse 21, was not Abraham, our father, justified by works, when he offered Isaac his son on the altar. Do you see that faith was working together with his works? And by works, faith was made perfect and the scripture was fulfilled, which says Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness and he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works and not by only. So, he's taking Abraham as an example and we know that Abraham is a friend of God, Abraham walked with faith, he left his place and he went where God was showing him. It takes courage, it takes faith to do things like this, but also it's not that Abraham just carried faith in his heart. His actions were in line with his faith. So, what happens? Abraham, when it comes to sacrificing his son Isaac, he says, okay God, I will do it. All in the morning he wakes up, he takes his son and he goes to the mountain to make a sacrifice. Now, just think together with me, if Abraham did not believe that his son can be raised from the dead, then why would he sacrifice? But we know that Abraham believed that God could even raise his son from the dead. And so, what was his action? When God said, okay Abraham, you go, you sacrifice your son, he was willing to go because he knew that God is capable. His faith in God was so much that he believed that God is even able to raise up Isaac from the dead. So, what was his action ready to sacrifice? So, there is an action to the faith. When God told Abraham, come, I will take you to a better land. He went, action.  We will not have the testimonies which we have today about Abraham's journey, about Isaac being born, and about God taking them to the promised land. Somebody moved based on God's word. So, action has to accompany faith. If there is no action, then what is he saying? He's putting it bluntly. Faith without works is dead. You can't say that you have faith because where is the action? Show me. If you have faith, show me the action. So, Abraham is a good example. One more example, he's going to talk about verse 25. He says likewise, was not rehab. The harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way. Verse 26, for as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead. So basically he's saying, when you look at rehab, why did he choose the example of rehab? Rehab is a person who is a Gentile. She's also a woman who at the time in the Jewish culture was women were not given much priority. So, their social position was somewhat low.  And then she is a sinful woman.  So, all these things put her in a very difficult position. And when we consider somebody like this, we might wonder, how can they be blessed? How can their lives move forward? How can God lead them into victory? But even such a person, we know that she hit the spice. When you study about Joshua sending the spice, she did an action of faith. And you know, she demonstrated her faith in the living God at that time. And that action, because of that action, the spice tell her, okay, when the walls of Jericho come crumbling down, nothing will happen to you. You and your family will be saved. So, her faith in God translated into her action of protecting the spice. And that led to God protecting her. And not just that, we later read that she comes in the genealogy of Jesus. So, God blessed her abundantly. And somebody who is so far away from God is blessed in God, in Christ, even in the genealogy of Jesus Christ. So, it just shows us what God can do when he sees faith accompanied by action. So, there is an encouragement for the believers to step out. If you have faith, show it.  Okay. So, now, let's just move on to James chapter 3 here. So, different subjects, you know, so far we have seen something to do with treating everybody equal. We have seen how faith is important, but action is also equally important. We have seen how one should be joyful in difficulties, trials, tribulations. We've seen the importance of perseverance, patience, character, hope. Okay, we've seen the source of temptation. We've talked about the wisdom that God is able to give when we ask him for wisdom. So, these are all the different subjects that James has touched upon. Now, coming to chapter 3, there are some subjects which he is going to address over here. Let's see what they are. So, starting from verse 1, he says, My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment, for we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man able also to bridle the whole body. So, he's talking about the highest standards for teachers of God's word. So, why was James talking about this? We don't know. Maybe there were people who taught the word, but did not follow the word, and that's why earlier he also talked about faith and actions. If you say you believe, show me your faith. Now, specifically to somebody who teaches God's word, he says that we will receive a stricter judgment, which means we are accountable to God and to the people to whom we minister, and God is going to hold us accountable. So, what should be the right, not just teaching, but also the way of life? Jesus taught us this in Matthew chapter 5 and verse 19. Jesus said, if anyone breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. So, two things Jesus was addressing, one is inaccurate teaching. So, when we teach false things or we don't teach the truth of God's word rightly divided, God will hold us accountable because what happens? The wrong teaching will translate into wrong application in people's lives and there are consequences to that or results outcome to what people end up doing. So, right teaching is so important. Then another thing is whoever does and teaches, so when we say that we are a teacher of the word, it's so important to first live it out, to first do it, then teach it, then it makes a difference. But without our experience of overcoming or without our experience of going through something or without our experience of living out the word of God when we teach, that's not right. So, that's what he says. So, teachers are held at a higher standard and we must maintain that in our own personal life. First practice, then preach. You would have heard that. Practice before you preach. So, teachers should have a higher standard of living right with God. Then verse 2, he says, for we all stumble in many things, if anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man. Again, you see, earlier he said, listen, listen more, you talk less, you be quick to hear and slow to speak.  Again in verse 2 he says, anyone does not stumble in word. If we are able to control the tongue, control the words that come out of our mouth, he's saying, such a person is a perfect man. Perfect man. It's not that they are perfect and ready to go to heaven. That's not what it means. It simply means that this person is mature. They are mature. They know what to speak, when to speak, how to speak it. So, it's a sign of maturity to be able to control our words. And we are told that such a person is able to bridle the whole body or there is a sense of self-control. They already, they have developed themselves in self-control. No wonder they are also able to control their tongue. Now, coming to verse 3, verse 3 to verse 6, the importance of the tongue is what is spoken of here. So, verse 3 he says, indeed we put bits in horses mouths that they may obey us and we turn their whole body. Look also at ships, although they are so large and are driven by fierce wings, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. Even so, the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.  The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body and sets on fire the course of nature and it is set on fire by hell. So, he is making a comparison of the tongue with bits in horses mouths. So, if you have seen horses that are trained and are controlled by horsemen, usually there is something put in their mouth which is called as a bit. So, when they kind of move it, then the horse understands what it needs to do, whether it needs to turn a certain direction or go fast. So, with that bit they control the horse. So, the movement of the horse is controlled by the bit. Similarly, for a ship, when we look at a ship, anyone who has seen even an ordinary ship, it is quite huge, but the direction of the ship is controlled by a rudder, which again is a smaller instrument as compared to the size of the ship. So, we are told that even the small things can control the entire operation of a creature or a vessel or an equipment or some process. So, you see how that small object is very important and controls everything. These days, I will just give you another small example. All of us, we have electricity in our homes and we have a main switchboard. So, maybe you have just a ground floor house or you have a first floor, second floor. Usually what happens, there is one switch, which if you switch that off, then everything, maybe all the three houses will lose their light. But it will be a very tiny switch, you just have to switch it off and it's all gone. The tongue is like that.  That is the understanding.  So, something which is little has such a huge impact and that is the tongue for you.  The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body. So, an evil tongue, what does it do? The entire person is defiled by the evil tongue and sets on fire the course of nature or the way things have to move in our lives. That also is affected by the words that we speak. Remember, Proverbs 1821 where we read that life and death is in the power of our tongue. So, if we want to choose life, God has made it possible for us through the words that we speak. We can choose the right words and that will produce life. But if we speak evil words, if we speak negative words, words which are not in line with what God is saying, then it is leading us in the wrong direction. So, be careful about the words of our mouth and that is what he is talking about here, coming to verse 7. He says, for every kind of beast and bird of reptile and creature of the sea is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. Isn't that amazing? In Genesis, God said, I'm creating. Man is made in my image. Once he created man, he said, okay, you go, you subdue everything. You have dominion over everything. You rule and reign, use your authority. So, what has man been able to do? Man has been able to harness. Man has been able to understand and engage with the things in the world when we look at so many plants are there. But man, through knowledge, people have named the plants. People know how to make use of whether a fruit or a leaf or something. So, there is a, you would say, able to utilize, able to utilize the benefits of plants. Similarly, when it comes to the animals, birds, you know, by God's grace, you know, God has given that ability to man that man knows how to tame or bring under control or bring under his own subjection. Even the birds, even the reptiles, even the creatures, right? So many creatures are there. The other day I saw a video in which there is a lion, okay? And the lion is tamed. It is tamed and it is playing with some of the visitors who have come to see the lion.   And I was wondering, oh, how they have trained this lion that the lion does not even realize what power and what capacity it has. Okay. So that is the capacity of man that man is able to control these great creatures and even creation. When you look at so many aspects of creation, man is able to control many things. So what is the point? The point is all these great things in nature we're able to control. What about the tongue? You know, it's, after all, it's a small little number of our bodies. But man is struggling so much to control the tongue. You know, people struggle to control their anger. People struggle to control, you know, themselves from engaging in gossip. They say, oh, I can't help it. You know, it just happened. I didn't mean to do it, but I said it. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean it. I didn't mean what I said. You know, have you heard that? Why? Why didn't you mean what you said? Because there's no control on the tongue. What I want to say that I'm not saying, but everything else is coming out of my mouth. So that shows that man has not tamed the most important member of his body, which is the tongue.  So basically James is saying, come on, you know, I'm sure we can also control the tongue. So verse eight, but no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly, evil, full of deadly poison. Does it mean that you can't tame it? No, that's not the point. He's saying it's very difficult. It's very difficult to train oneself in the words that come out of our mouth. In verse nine he says, with it we bless God, our God and Father, and with it we curse men who have been made in the similitude of God. Isn't that so true? Even for us, as we are maturing in Christ, we know that what he's saying is very real because it's possible that we went to church and we sang all the nice praise songs and worship songs. But the moment we came out of church, we came home, you know, a rude word to a family member or an insensitive word to somebody in traffic. It's happened. It's happened to all of us. So he's saying, come on, this is the reality. We bless our God and Father and with it we curse men. In traffic, you know, all kinds of words come out of believers' mouths. So he's saying, we have to take charge of the tongue. It's a small member but tame the tongue or take control of the words that come out of our mouth. Verse 10, out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. So he's telling them, please let it be one thing. Speak the word, speak the truth, speak blessings, speak life with the tongue which God has given us and then just to encourage them again, he uses another comparison. He says, does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? No. Usually, when there is a single source, the taste of that water is a certain way. You know, here where we live, we have some sources of water and people will easily tell you, they'll say, oh, this is drinking water. This is from that river. It's so sweet. So they never have I heard people say that this water is not tasty because it's coming from the same river all these years. So there is only one way or one characteristic of the water from that source. It's good. It's clean. It's sweet, the water. So he's saying when you recognize a source and you are able to tell that there's only one kind of water that comes from there, how can it be that from the mouth, good words also come?  It should not be the case. Verse 12, can a fig tree, my brethren, again, trying to help them understand, giving another example. Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives or a grapevine bear figs? No. So for that, what is the thing? Heart should be clean. Heart should be filled with the word of God. Our collusion says, we richly, richly have the word of God in your heart. Then what will come out? Word will come out. Blessings will come out. Goodness will come out. So, yeah, he says, does no spring yields both salt, water and fresh. So let it not be the case if we are saying that we have God in us, we are believers, we are filled with the word of God, let it come out of your mouth. Let it not be the other way. It's so sad, right, that believers are okay to behave differently on a Sunday and behave differently on the other days of the week. So James is addressing all these issues and he's saying, how can you? Isn't it the same thing that we have God's word in us all the time? And only that has to come out of our mouth also. So cannot mix up blessing and cursing. Should only be what is in line with God's word. Now let's move on. Verse 13, here he's talking about wisdom, okay, God's wisdom. So what we'll do is we'll read the entire section together, then it will be easy to explain. Yeah. So verse 13 to 18, I will read. He says, who is wise and understanding among you? So this is a different topic till now tongue. He talked about the tongue. Now he's talking about wisdom. Verse 13, who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly sensual demonic for where envy and self seeking exist confusion and every evil thing out there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield full of mercy and good fruits without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. So again, you know, some standards of godly living. One is to have God's wisdom. And what does God's wisdom look like in the life of a believer? Very simple. He says, if there is anybody who claims to be wise and understanding, or in other words, mature, if you claim to be mature, then it should show in the behavior. So he says, let him show by good conduct. Now I cannot say that I am mature. I am mature. I am so experienced in the Lord. I am all, I'm saying it with my words, but that is not the evidence of my maturity. Where is the evidence of my maturity? Conduct, good conduct, good lifestyle, good behavior, that is what will show my maturity. So again, action, we say words are important, but show me with your actions. We say faith is there, show me with your actions. So anyone who claims to be mature, be wise and understanding must show in their conduct and works done in the meekness of wisdom. So beautiful, isn't it? So there is a word which is associated here with wisdom. What is that word? Meekness. What is meekness? Meekness is gentleness. Meekness is submission to, and of course over here we know it is submission to God. Meekness is humility. So with wisdom, we have humility which goes hand in hand. So whenever we say, okay, here is a mature individual. What are some things that we will observe? Good behavior, good conduct and also humility. Humility which is demonstrated through their lives. He says meekness of wisdom, walking with humility. Then now in contrast to that or opposite to that, he talks about maturity, humility. What is opposite? Immaturity and selfishness. Humility opposite? Being selfish or self-seeking. So he says, how does the opposite look? Verse 14, but if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. Envy will be there, selfishness will be there, self-seeking will be there. So we could even talk about doing ministry, but why are you doing ministry? Remember, we have talked about it. The motives of the heart are very, very important. I can do small things with the right motive and big things with the right motive. I can also do small things with the wrong motive. I can do big things with the wrong motive as well. So ultimately, motive is important. I can be doing good things, but what if, just I'll tell you for example, let's say I'm helping the poor people, I am running many programs where we are giving food to the poor, but then at the end of it, we take all these photos and this and that. Why? Because we want to show everybody, see, I'm doing good work. See, nobody has done. I have provided all these things. My ministry is so good. Where is the humility and wisdom in that? But ultimately, what's coming out? Self-promotion. So is it a good thing to give food to the poor, to help the poor? Yes, but what is the motivation? I want to promote myself. I want to show everybody that, hey, look at me. I'm such a generous person. I'm such a great person.  So it is self-seeking. It's not meekness of wisdom, but there is self-seeking and he points out other qualities here. Is this bitter envy? Maybe. Just giving an example. I'm giving food to the poor and all, okay? It's a needy time and I'm blessing the poor people, but maybe in my heart, I have bitter envy towards others and I feel who has done such a work? Nobody has done, you know, no government, no NGO, no pastor in the city or no ministry in the city has done. Let me show you. So I am, I want to be number one and I have competition, spirit of competition. So bitter envy. I'm also jealous. Oh, last time that church did good things. Now this time, let me show. I am going to do great things, but what is happening? The motivation is not correct. So this is what James is talking about. He's saying, come on, let's not be selfish because true wisdom is not going to be like this. We are calling this wisdom. Now we are calling this from God, but what is, this is from the earth. This is from the flesh. He also says demonic, which means influenced by Satan. So such things will not bring glory to God. And verse 16, he says, where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. So stay away from selfishness because then we are motivated by selfishness. What can you expect? He says, confusion will come. Evil things will come because what am I thinking? I'm thinking, how can I be popular? How can I be rich? How can I be comfortable? How can I be, you know, noted as a great person among the believers? So then what happens? I will end up doing wrong things. I will end up, you know, having a lot of confusion. Maybe I will not treat people who are working with me well. So there will be confusion. There will be all kinds of evil things, maybe stealing, speaking evil of others, so many things that, you know, you don't, you are aware of. Therefore, stay away from being self-centered, self-seeking envious instead of that. What should we do? Verse 17, he says, but the wisdom that is from above, now coming back to original, what we were saying, wisdom from heaven. What does it have? Good behavior, good conduct. It also has humility. Now few more things, let's look at few more things, which are a quality of this kind of wisdom. It is pure.  He's holy. Even God's wisdom is like that. It's very pure. It doesn't come with anything evil in it. So, Godly wisdom is very pure. It is peaceable. Peaceable again, you know, something like meekness and humility. It's peaceable. It wants to create peace. It wants to release God's peace. It is gentle. That is, I can understand that. Willing to yield or somebody who's walking with wisdom, they will be humble. If you say, okay, brother, you have a very brilliant idea, but how about this time, we use somebody else's idea. The person with wisdom will say, that's fine. No problem. I am not going to fight and say, no, my idea is better. You have to take my idea. You know, instead, a person with true wisdom will be willing to yield or they'll say, it's fine. I submit to you. You are the people who are organizing the program. You do it, whichever way you want to do it. I just gave my idea. Doesn't matter. Anybody's idea you can take. So, you see, it's coming out in the behavior. It is willing to yield. It is full of mercy and good fruits. Okay, meaning, again, the outcome will be good, glorifying God and it will have mercy or compassion in it without partiality, without hypocrisy. You see, these are all double standards, partiality, hypocrisy, but true wisdom will not have any of this verse 18. Now, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. So, again, he emphasizes how it's important that things be done with peace and, you know, aside all selfishness, envy, bitterness, all the works of the flesh instead walk in the spirit and demonstrate what godly wisdom looks like. Okay, so with this, we come to the end of chapter 3. We have only two more chapters to go through next week and, you know, we surely can complete it well in time. All right, so let's pray and close now. I just want to request either Karnan or Prince, Prince, would you be able to lead us in prayer? Yes, Seema. Thank you, Lord. Thank you that you helped us to hear what that is very, very interesting and really in our life that is everything, there is no possibility in your work. Sometime we made a facility but give us the wisdom and knowledge so that we can use, we can serve to others and believe us, Lord. Thank you. I submit all things in your hand, the rest of the day in your hand. In Jesus name I pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much. God bless you. Okay, we'll meet next week then. Take care. Thank you.


From around the globe, it's theCUBE with coverage of KubeCon and CloudNativeCon North America 2020, virtual, brought to you by Red Hat, the CloudNative Computing Foundation and Ecosystem Partners. Hey, welcome back, everybody. Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're coming to you from our Palo Alto studios with our ongoing coverage of KubeCon, CloudNativeCon 2020, the digital version. It would have been the North American version, but obviously everything is digital. So we're excited. We've been coming back here for years and we've got a founder of CNCF and also a practitioner, really great opportunity to get some insight from someone who's out in the field and putting this stuff into work. So we're joined in this next segment by Ken Owens. He is the Vice President, Software Development Engineering for MasterCard and he's a founding member of the CNCF, the CloudNative Computing Foundation. Ken, great to see you. Yeah, great, thank you for having me. I've enjoyed theCUBE over the years and I'm glad to be part of it again. Yeah, so we're psyched to have you on and I think it's the first time I've got to talk to you. I think you might have been on in LA a couple of years ago where I was kind of drifting around that show. I don't think I was on the set that day, but before we jump into kind of what's going on now, you were a founding member of CNCF. So, you know, let's take a step back and kind of share your perspective as to kind of where we are now from where this all began and kind of this whole movement around, you know, CloudNative. Certainly it's a good place to be. Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's been a great ride. You know, in our industry, we go through these sort of time frames every decade or so where something big kind of comes along and you get involved in it and you participate in it and it gets to be a lot of fun and it either dies or it evolves into something else, right? And with CloudNative itself, you know, this concept of just how difficult it was to really move with the type of agility and the type of speed that developers in the enterprise really need to move at. It was just, it was hard to get there with just traditional infrastructure, traditional ways of doing, you know, configurations, of doing management of infrastructure and it really needed something different and something to kind of help, you know, it's called orchestration, of course, but you know, at the time, we didn't know it was called orchestration, right? We knew we needed, you know, things like service mesh, but they weren't called service meshes then. They were, you know, more like control planes and how do you kind of custom create all of these different pieces? And the great thing about, you know, the CNCF is that when we started it, we had very simple, you know, foundational principles we wanted to follow, right? One was we wanted to have end users involved. A lot of foundations, as you know, become very vendor driven and very vendor centric and you kind of lose your core base of the practitioners, as you call us, right? That the guys who actually need to solve problems and are trying to make a living, you know, solving problems for the industry, not just selling products, right? And so it was important that we get those end users involved and that's probably the biggest change is it's a great technology body. It's, we had great technologists, great engineers and the foundation, but we also have a huge over 150 end users that have been engaged and been very involved and contributing to the end users. The end user contributing to the foundation now and it's been awesome to see that come to fruition over the last three years. Yeah, it's certainly part of the magic of open source that's been so transformative. And, you know, we've seen that obviously with servers and Linux and what that did, but we've been talking a lot lately too about kind of the anniversary of the agile manifesto and kind of the agile movement and really changing the prioritization around change and really making change a first class citizen as opposed to kind of a nightmare I don't want to deal with and really building systems and ways of doing things that adopt that. I want to just to pull up the cloud native definition because I think it's interesting, we talk about cloud native a lot and you guys actually wrote some words down and I think it's worth reading them that, you know, cloud native technologies empower organizations to build and run scalable applications in dynamic environments. Dynamic environments is such a key piece to this puzzle because it used to be, this is your infrastructure app person, you got to build something that fits into this. Now with an app centric world is completely flipped over and the application developer doesn't have to worry about the environment anymore, right? It's spin it up and make it available to me when I need it. A really different way of thinking about things than kind of this static world. Definitely and that was the big missing piece for all those years was how do you get to this dynamic environment, right? That embraces change, embraces risk to some extent, not risk like you've heard in the past with risk avoidance is so important to have, right? It's really more how do you embrace risk and fall earlier in the process, learn earlier in the process so that when you get to production, you're not failing, you're not having to worry about failure because you caught as much as you could in the earlier phases of your development life cycle and that's been, like you said, that dynamic piece has just been such the difference I think in why it's been taken off in the industry this last five years now that we've been around. Yeah, for sure. So then the next one, I'm just going to go through there's three kind of main tenets of this thing. These techniques enabled loosely coupled systems that allow engineers to make high impact changes frequently and predictably with minimum toll. I mean, those are really hard challenges in a classic waterfall way with PRDs and MRDs and everything locked down in a big giant Gantt chart that fills half of the office to actually be able to have loosely coupled systems. Again, a really interesting concept versus hardwired connected systems. Now you're talking about APIs and systems all connecting. Really different way to think about development and how do you build applications? Yeah, and the interesting thing there is the very first definition we came up with five plus years ago was containers, containerized workloads, right? And being technologists, everyone focused on those words containers and containerized and then everything had to be a container, right? And to your point, that isn't what we're trying to do, right? We're trying to create services that are just big enough to support, whatever is needed for that service to support and be able to scale those up and down independently of other dependent systems that may have different requirements associated with what they have to do, right? And it was more about that, keeping those highly efficient type of patterns in mind of spinning up and spinning down things that don't have impact or cause impact to other larger components around them was really the key, not containers or containerized. Obviously that's one of the patterns you could follow to create those types of services and those patterns, but there is nothing that guarantees it has to be a container that can do that. Lots of VMs today and lots of bare metal servers can have a similar function. They're just not going to be as dynamic as you may want them to be in other environments. Right. And then the third tenant, three of three, is fostering sustainable ecosystem of open source, vendor neutral projects, democratizing state-of-the-art patterns to make these innovations accessible for everyone. So just the whole idea of democratization of technology, democratization of data, democratization of tools to do something with the data to find the insight, democratization of the authority to execute on those decisions once you get going on that. I mean the open source and kind of this democratization to enable a broad distribution of power to more than just mahogany row, huge fundamental shift in the way people think about things and really even still today as everyone's trying to move their organizations to be more data-centric in the way they operate, it is really all about the democratization and getting that information and the tools and the ability to do something with it to as broad a group of people as you can. And that's even before we talk about open source development and the power of, again, as you said, bringing in this really active community who want to contribute. It's a really interesting way that open source works. It's such a fun thing to watch. And I'm not a developer from the outside, but to see people get excited about helping other people. I think that's probably the secret to the whole thing that really taps into. It is. And open source, there were discussions about open source for 20 plus years, trying to get more into open source, intruding the open source in an enterprise mindset. And it could never really take off because not really the foundation or the platforms or the capabilities needed to do that. And now to your point, open source was really the underlying engine that is making all of this possible without open source. And some of those early days of trying to get more open source and understanding of open source in the enterprise, I think we'd still be trying to get adoption, but open source had just gotten to that point where everyone wanted to do more with open source. The CNCF comes along and says, here's the set of democratized, we're not gonna have king makers in this organization. We're gonna have a lot of open solutions, a lot of good options for companies to look at. And we're not gonna lock you in to anything because that's another piece of that open source model. Open source still can lock you in, right? But if you have open choices within open source, there's less lock in potential. And lock in isn't really a horrible thing. It's just one of those tenants, you don't want to be tied too tightly to any one solution or one open source even program because that could cause issues of that minimal toil we talked about, right? If you have a lot of dependencies and a lot of, I always joke about open stack, right? If I have to email two guys, if I find an issue in open stack about security, that's not really a great security model that I can tell my customers, I have your security covered, right? So you want to get away from emails and having to ask for help, if you see a big security issue, you want to just address it right then and fix it fast. Right, right. So much to unpack there. And for those that don't follow you, you've done a ton of presentations, you've got a ton of great content out of the internet with deep technical dives into some of this stuff and the operational challenges in your philosophies. But keeping it kind of high level here, because one of the things that comes up over and over in some of the other stuff I saw from you is really about asking the right questions. And we hear this time and time again that the way to get the right answer, first you got to frame the question right. And you talk quite extensively about asking the why and asking the how. I wonder if you can unpack that a little bit as to why those two questions are so important and how do you ask them in a way that doesn't piss everybody off or scare them away when you're at a big company like MasterCard that has a lot of personal information, you're in the finance industry, you got a ton of regulation, but still you're asking how and you're asking why. Definitely, and those are the two questions that I keep coming back to in the industry because they're not asked enough in my opinion. I think for the reasons you brought up, there's too much pushback or there's a, you don't want to be viewed as someone who's being difficult, right? And there may be other reasons why you don't want to ask that, but I like to ask the why first because you kind of have to understand what's the problem you're trying to solve. And it kind of goes back to my engineering background, I think, right? I love to solve problems. And one of my early days, and you might have heard this on one of my interviews, right? But in my early days, I was trying to fix a problem that I was on an advanced engineering team and I was tier four support in a large telco. And for months, we had this issue with one of our large oil-based companies and no one could solve it.  So we're watching, I'm asking them to ask, kind of find out where in this path there's a problem. And the guy tells me there's no lights on. And I'm like, well, plug in the power and let me know when it boots up and then let's try another test. And that was the problem. So my cleaning crew had come through and unplugged it. And so I learned early on in my career that if you don't ask those simple questions, you just assume that everything's working. Almost nine times out of 10, it's the simple, easy solution to a problem. You're just too busy thinking of all the complex things that could go wrong and trying to solve all the HUD problems first. And so I really try to help people think about, ask the why questions, ask why is this important? Why do we need to do this now? Why, what would happen if we don't do this? If we did it this other way, what's the downside of doing it this other way? Really think through your options because it may take you 20, 30 minutes to kind of do a good analysis of a problem, but then your solution, you're not gonna spend weeks trying to troubleshoot when it doesn't work because you put the time up front to think about it. So that's sort of the main reason why I like to ask the why and the how, because it forces you to think outside of your normal, my job is to take this cog and put it over here and fix this, right? And you don't wanna be in that mode when you're solving complex problems because you overlook or you miss the simple things. Right, so you don't like the, cause we've always done it that way? I do not. And I hear that a lot everywhere I've been in the industry and anywhere, any company you have those, this is the way we've always done it. Yeah, yeah. Just like the way we've always traveled, right? And the way we've always been educated and the way we've always consumed entertainment. It's like, really? I have learned though that there's a good, I like to understand the reason behind why we've always done it that way. So I do always ask that question. Right. I don't turn around on someone and get mad at them and say, oh, we can't, we have to do it differently. I don't have the mindset of, let's throw that out the window because I realized that over time, something happened. It's like, when I was a, when I had younger kids, I always laughed because I put these warnings on those, I don't know what they call them, but the kids stand up in them. Right, the little, the little pruners. Don't put them on top of the stairs, right?   Right, right. You have to kind of point out the obvious to people. And so, I don't think it's that dangerous of a situation in the work environment, but hopefully we're not making the same mistakes that have been prevented by not allowing just the not, because we've done it this way before, model it to go forward. Right, right. No, we have a rule around here too. It's the reason we have every rule is because somebody blew it at some point in time. That's why we have the rule. I want to shift gears a little bit and talk about automation, right?  And we know that people are prone to errors. I mean, I had seen that story about the cleaner accidentally unplugging. We all know that people, fat fingers, copy and paste is not used as universally as it should be. But I wonder if you could share, how important automation is. And I know you've talked a lot about how people should think about automation and prioritizing automation and helping use automation to both make people more productive, but also to prioritize what the people should be working on, as well as lowering the error rate on stuff that they probably shouldn't be doing anyway. Exactly, yeah. Automation to me, as you've heard me say before, is something that is probably almost as big of a key tenet as open source should be, right? It's one of those foundational things that it really helps you to get rid of some of that churn and some of the toil that you run into in a production environment where you're trying to always figure out what went wrong and why did this system not work on this point in time and this day and this deployment. And it's almost to you point always a fat finger or someone deleted an IP address from the IPAM system. There's all kinds of errors that people can tell you about that have happened. But to the root of your question is automation needs to be thought about from three different primary areas in my view, in my experience. The first one is the infrastructure is code or software defined infrastructure, right? So the networking teams and the storage teams and the security teams are probably the furthest behind and adopting automation in their jobs, right? And their jobs are probably the most critical pieces of your infrastructure, right? And so those are pieces that I really highly encourage them to think about how can they automate those areas. The second piece that I think is equally as important as the infrastructure piece is the application side. When I first joined multiple enterprises in the past, the test coverage is in the low tens to 20%, right? And your test coverage is a direct correlation to how well your application is going to behave in production in terms of failures, right? So if you have low test coverage, you're gonna have high failure rates. It's sort of over all types of industries, every study has shown that, right? So getting your test coverage up and testing the right things, not just testing to have test coverage, right? But actually thinking through your user stories and the acceptance criteria and having good test coverage is really, really important. So you have those two bookends, right? And in between, I think it's important that you look at how you connect to these services, these distributed systems we talked about in the opening, right? If you fully automate your infrastructure and fully automate your application, development and delivery, that's great. But if in the middle you have this GUI metal that doesn't really connect well, doesn't really have the automation in place to ensure that your certificates are there, that your security is in place, that metal piece can become really a problem from a security and from a availability issue. And so those are the two pieces that I say really focus on is that, that GUI metal and then that infrastructure piece is really the two keys. Right, right. You've got another group of words that you use a lot. I want you to give us a little bit more color behind it. And that's talking to people to tell them that they need to spend more time on investigation. They need to do more experimentation. And then, and the one that really popped out to me was retro, to retrospectives, to not necessarily a postmortem, which I thought is interesting to say retrospective versus a postmortem, because this is an ongoing process for continuous improvement. And then finally, what seems, you know, drop dead, dumb, obvious is to iterate and deliver. But I wonder if you can share a little bit more color on how important it is to experiment and to investigate and to have those retrospectives. Yeah, definitely. And then it kind of goes back to the, you know, that culture we want to create in a cloud native world, right? We want to be open to, you know, thinking about how we can solve problems better, how we can have minimal, more, you know, each iteration we want to look at, how do we have less toil, have less issues? How do we improve the, I like to hide the light in your experience. How do you make your developers and your customers, specifically, how do you make your customers so happy with your service? And when you think about those sort of areas, right, you want to spend some portion of your time, you know, dedicated to how do I look at and investigate better ways of doing things or more improvements around the way my customer experience is being delivered, asking your customers questions, right? You'd be surprised how many customers don't ever get asked for their opinion on how something works, right? And they want to be asked. They'd love to give you feedback. It doesn't necessarily mean you're going to go do it, that next iteration, right?  And so you have to kind of think about what you want to try to deliver as a product and as an organization, but at the same time that input is important. And I think I say curve it out because if you don't, we're so busy today and there's so much going on in our lives. If you don't dedicate and curve out some of that time and protect that time, you will never get to that, right? It's always a, I'll get to that next year or maybe a next iteration, I'll try, right? And so it's important to really hold that time as sacred and spend time every week, every couple of weeks, whatever works out in the schedule, but actually put that in your calendar, block out that time and use it to really look at what's possible, what's relevant, what kind of improvements you can have. I think those are really the key takeaways I can have from that piece of it. And then the last one you asked about, which I think is so important is the retrospective, right? Always trying to get better and better at what you do is an engineer's goal, right? We'd never like to fail, we never like to do something twice, right? We don't wanna, we wanna learn the first time we make a mistake and not make it over and over again. So that those retrospectives and improving on what you're doing iteratively and to the point you brought up, and I like to bring this up a lot because I've been part, not at MasterCard, but other companies, parts of companies that will talk a great game, come up with great stories, say, here's our plan. And then when we get ready to go to deliver it, we go and we investigate the plan and see if there's a better plan. And then we get to a point where we're ready to go execute and then we go back and start all over again, right? And you've gotta deliver iteratively. If you don't, the point I like to always make is you're never gonna be ready, right? It's like, when are you ready to have kids? You're never ready to have kids, right?  You know, so. I love that. Well, again, can you have so much great stuff out there for technical people that wanna dive in deep? So I encourage them just to do a simple YouTube, or excuse me, YouTube search or Google search, but I wanna give you the last word. One word, I'm gonna check the transcript when this thing is over, that you've used probably more than any other word while we've been talking for the last few minutes is toil. And I think it's really interesting that it brings up and really highlights your empathy towards what you're trying to help developers avoid and what you're trying to help teams avoid so that they can be more productive.  You know, where does that come from? And I just love that you keep reinforcing it and just kind of your final perspective as we wrap on 2020 and another year of CNCF and clearly containers and Kubernetes and Cloud Native continues to be on fire and on a tear. I just wonder if you can share a little bit of your perspective as a founding member as we kind of come to the end of 2020. Yeah, definitely. Thanks again for having me. It's been a great, great discussion. I'm a developer by background, by trade today. I still develop, I still contribute to open source. And I've had this mantra, my pretty much my entire career is that you have to get into the weeds and understand what everyone's experiencing in order to figure out how to solve the problems.  It just doesn't work that way.  They want you to solve the problem that they have. And so I think that's sort of a key for the reason why I spent so much time talking about that. As I live it every day, I understand it. I talk with my development community and with a broader community of developers at MasterCard and understand the pains that they're going through and try to help them every day with coming up with ways to help make their lives a lot easier. So it's important to me and to two organizations out there and all of the in the world. So CNCF has been great. It's still growing. We're always looking for end users. I'd love to talk to you or you can reach out to the CNCF if you'd like to learn more. Our website has information on how to get connected to the end user community. We are a community within the CNCF that is not, there's a private community so you don't have to worry about your information being shared. If you don't want people to know you belong to the community, you don't have to list that information. If you wanna list it, you're welcome to list it. There's no expectations on you to contribute to open source but we do encourage you to contribute and I hear the support that end user community any way we can. So thanks again for having us and looking forward to a great show in North America. All right, well thank you Ken for sharing your information, sharing the insight, sharing the knowledge, really appreciate it and great to catch up. All right, he's Ken. I'm Jeff, you're watching theCUBE with our ongoing coverage of KubeCon CloudNativeCon 2020 North America Digital. 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