How are you doing? Hi Michael, we've got two Michaels in, first in today, Michael in the UK and Michael in the US. And also Neil, hi Neil, great to see you here as well. Hi Michael. So yeah, what I thought I'd do today was, I'm obviously going to give my update on my usual stats, my progress towards my 365 videos in a year, but then also talk about basically some of the what's going to be coming out in the new version of Ecam Live, because we already know what it is, because we've obviously already had all of the the the betas or betas, whichever way you want to say it, that have come out and there's been four of them. And I just suddenly realized yesterday or the day before when I was sort of playing around with the the latest beta that there's just been so much. And because we've sort of had them incrementally, if you've been using the the beta, then yeah, it's sort of like an incremental update, but each one of them was massive in itself. And so when I sort of put together all of the the new features, it just kind of blew me away. And I thought anybody who hasn't been on that, that the beta program basically is just going to go from where they were, you know, with the last version to suddenly jump ahead to all of these massive new features. So I thought it'd be quite interesting to just go through and have a look at all of them and sort of put them all together because I think that it's actually a total game changer in terms of the way that we are going to be using ecome live and certainly things like, you know, the ways that we would do overlays like this sort of overlay that I've got here, these sort of graphical overlays with most people are probably not going to need those at all going forward. And it's just a case of how you want to now do far more advanced things like linking it in with keynote and stuff like that, which is basically what my recent videos have been all about. So I'll start with my update. But first of all, I've just got to say hi, James. Great to see you here. I've got to watch your new show. By the way, I saw it come up on my little feed. So I'm really interested to to watch that one. I'll give that a look later today. But I'll do my usual my usual update. So we're on day 134. And I've actually put out seven videos this week in the seven days. But I was behind last week. So I'm still slightly behind. Hi again, Michael. Yeah, the thing if I got your comment actually your first one, but I only get the ones in ECAM from when I started the stream. So but nice to see you here again as always. So my the videos 130 videos. This was actually the the sort of, I don't say the best week, but I've had the the most new subscribers this week compared to any other week. So usually it's between 20 and 30 new subscribers. But this week there was a jump of about 40 or something. I think I was on 408 at the big at the end of the sort of my live stream last week. So it's like 30 36 isn't it? And then I could actually just put up some stats here as well because usually my the last couple of weeks my sort of watch hours has been jumping up by basically 200 watch hours every week. Whereas previously it was like a 100 watch hours a week that it was going up by. Whereas now it's gone up by 200 watch hours this week and last week. Hi, Alicia. Oh, great to see you here as well. And then my views has gone up by 2000 views this week and last week as well. But there was a distinct spike, which is also something that sort of prompted me to do this this topic for the live stream being the. Oh, it's gone up. Well, I checked it. I checked it an hour ago. So I've got another two in the last hour. Thanks, Michael. So yeah, the if I just pop up these stats one second and I did I put them? Is it that one? This is dangerous, isn't it? Oh, there it is. Yeah, there we go. Oh, and I've moved everything on the screen. Of course, I have. These were the the graphs that I just wanted to to pull in. In fact, let me just adjust this since ecome live makes it so easy to adjust these things. Let me just crop in this a little bit and bring this up like this. So basically the the the video that I did all about the ecome live beta beta, I'm going to stick to beta because I think most people watching use beta. So yeah, there was this distinct sort of spike up last in the last couple of days, basically around the time that I released that sort of beta video. So yeah, you can see it's quite a distinct leap up compared to compared to where I have been. And in fact, it's the highest day in terms of number of views. So it's sort of surprised me that has to be honest, because up until then, my highest number of views on videos always came from things like stream decor, things like that that were more sort of mainstream, whereas obviously, a beta version of ecome live is a little bit more niche than that really, isn't it? So it has surprised me a little bit that I've got those those that number of views over the past couple of days. And then also the watch time as well, you can see that correlates obviously with the spike. But it does just show that most of my viewers are very keen to learn about the the beta. So there is there is that. But yeah, it's it's just interesting really to see to see how this sort of changes over time. But like I say, I don't really I don't really care about the stats, but I do care about them. If that makes sense, I don't lose sleep over them. But it's just interesting to to see. So that is where I am with the the current progress. I've got a whole I'll probably catch up with my number of videos. So by next live stream, I will be on top of them because I've got so many to put out in the next in the next week. So I'll probably be doing two a day on a couple of days. I don't really care that that's not necessarily the best way to do it in terms of views. I'm sure it's probably better to do like one a day at a specific time. But I'm just all about let's just get it out there. People are going to find it useful. So I'm not not trying to optimize too much at this stage on release time and stuff like that. So there will definitely be two a day coming out because I've done two videos all about the green screen screen sharing feature, which I'll talk about in a moment. And I've got another three to do that are all about that. So and they were quite long videos, you know, they were like 20, 30 minutes, something like that. So by the time I've done the other three, it will be like about two and a half three hours of content, just about the green screen feature of the beta in in screen sharing. It's going to totally change the way that I'm using ecam to be honest with as I said in the videos, not so much on my channel, but on some of the other stuff that I do with ecam. It's it's going to be really helped me a lot. So I'll come on to all of those features in a moment, but I do just have to talk about my other challenge. And I've just had another week where I have not done anything towards this, which is shocking because it now means this is the great cycle challenge. We're now on day 24. So I've got a week left, essentially. And I've got quite a long ride to do. I've got to do around about 40 miles a day, something like that. In fact, just over 40 miles a day it is. So I've got to do a couple of long bike rides so that I don't have to do 40 miles every day. And then I'll do a few shorter ones on the other days, but it'll be like at least 20, 30 miles a day that I'm going to be aiming to do over the next week. This last week has just been quite crazy really in terms of just other stuff that I've had going on. So just not had any chance to get out. But this next week, I'll be freed up a little bit more to create a bit of time to get out there and do it. So this time next week will probably be the sort of final update of the challenge itself. So yeah, we'll see. It is a real challenge now. But I do like a challenge. So there we go. So just say hi to Matt, obviously. Hi, Matt. And hi, Greg. Didn't see you sneaking there as well. Oh, thank you, Michael. Yeah, well, it's it's not so much it's not it's not me. It's the fact that the beta is so good. It's it's just got so many features. And there's I know that some of these are just like triggers for people that they want to know about, you know, certain parts of it. I know there were some for me that I'd certainly put in feature request for but then also I just wanted for so long. So it's definitely it's just it's just a game changer. In fact, I think with that, let me just see there was something else I was going to mention before I got into that. And I don't remember it was now. No, I tell you what else happened this week. I had a conversation with Sylvia and Andrew Nixon from press and so. So there will be some t shirts and hats coming soon to a store near you. But I just wanted to say the reason I wanted to mention that is whenever people talk about, you know, merchandising and stuff like that in the in the group, everyone always mentions press and so and Sylvia and Andrew and they say, oh, that's the only only option you've only got to go to them. It's like, oh, they're amazing. So I went in with pretty high expectations to be honest. And you know what? They absolutely blew me away. It was they totally wowed me even though I was going in with high expectations. So yeah, I've got some stuff to prepare for them over the weekend to get them over some some some stuff that they need from my side. But they're just such lovely people and such a great service. And so yeah, it's I highly recommend having a chat with them if you need anything like that. So so yeah, let's have a little look, shall we, at what I wanted to cover, which was, of course, I use some of the features the e-cam live version three point nine because that's what we're talking about essentially, although all of these features that I'm talking about have been released in the beta. As I said before, it's kind of like, these are all just going to hit all these users who have never used any of them before and they're going to get them all in one update if they've not been on the the beta. And Neil, I don't I don't know exactly when it's going to be released. What they did say when they made the announcement of this one is that they think that this is the sort of the final version. So obviously, the point of a beta is for testing so that we can test and see if there's any issues or anything like that with it. So so that's that's sort of ongoing at the moment. But then as far as I'm aware, that's kind of oh, sorry, it is 3.9. Yeah. So yeah, it's just a case of how, you know, letting the testing run its course and then being released. But certainly from a point of view of the beta releases, there was beta one, then I think with it, it was I want to say it was within two weeks, there was beta two. Then there was about a week later, there was beta three, which didn't really have anything new in it. It was just a couple of little tweaks and stuff. And then probably what's it been now three weeks, something like that this one's come out. So who knows if I wanted to guess, I would say within a month, I don't know, that's just purely speculation. So don't quote me on that at all. But yeah, it's it's what they said was this is kind of like the the final version basically. So it's just unless they decide to add any other things in. I did sneak in a couple of extra feature requests. Having seen this version, I still did. In fact, it was on the day that I did release the video about it. I stuck in a couple of extra requests because it sort of like gave me some ideas for other things once I started playing with what they'd already done. So but I'm guessing they probably won't try and squeeze anything more in now, but we'll see. So what I thought I'd do is just literally run through the things and I've sort of grouped them into loosely into different sort of components or different things that they've added. So the first one is profiles. This is something that lots of people had asked for and lots of people had workarounds because people use them for different things. How many profiles have I got? Let me just have a quick look because I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve profiles. So I've got basically twelve different use cases for Ecam Live.  So that's not really ideal because, well, it's just too many to have in your list for a start, isn't it? So having profiles means you can basically have a whole set of whole setup for one particular show or one particular use case that you've got for it. And then you can just switch between them. And so that means that, you know, you don't have all of your, you know, all of the overlays for one show are all in the list of overlays for the other way.  It just makes it so much easier to work with really. The other thing about it is it's actually the way that the profiles work. So it's, it becomes like a package, basically, that has all of the assets for that profile within it. And that means that you can just drag the profile out or rather export it, I should say. And then you can send it to someone and then they can open it up. And they've got all of the things in it. So they've got all of the videos and image overlays and things like that, all containing one file. So it makes it great for backup purposes, but also just for sharing between between other people as well. So that is really, really helpful as a feature. And like I say, that one alone is something that a lot of people have asked for. So that's going to be pretty good to see that implemented. The next one is formatting. So there's now lots of different ways that you can format. Now specifically really I'm talking about overlays, but it does apply to other stuff as well. So I had a list here. There's quite a lot of these. So rounded corners on overlays, like I've got on my my camera board. Actually, this is still a graphical overlay that I'm using here. But to be able to put these rounded corners on camera overlays on screen sharing overlays, which will obviously come to that was a new feature in itself and text overlays as well. We've got the new shape, the squircle for the camera overlays, which I actually really like that it's got a nice sort of aesthetic look to it, hasn't it? Quite a pleasing look to it. So there's that. Then yet rounded corners, that's quite versatile. It can be on all corners or just one of them or two of them or three of them or whatever. So that's pretty great. More with text overlays as well. So they can slide in now from the left or right as they could before, but also from the top and bottom.  So I'm running this as a screen share overlay, but we'll come to that in a minute. What else can you do with with formatting? So while cropping as well, cropping overlays and it makes it much easier to you could always resize and have a custom size for your camera overlays and things like that. But now to just be able to crop into them and resizing sizing them is easier now. You can just drag on the side of the image and drag it and it will resize the whole thing. Whereas before you had to drag the corner and it was always a real pain to be honest, because if you got near the edge where like where the buttons were, then you'd have to hide the UI and then grab them and it was just a little bit finicky to actually grab those corners sometimes when you're organizing things. Also now support for cut copy and paste of scenes and overlays. So that is that makes things a lot easier as well. And also the thing about that is you can cut copy and paste between profiles as well, which is obviously another new feature, the profiles feature. But it means that you can just copy stuff between your profiles, which is really, really useful. What else did they add? This is quite a long list. So yeah, resizing, duplicating. Oh, that's so that's it. Yeah, you've got a contextual menu on the layers. So you can actually send them a bit like you could do in Photoshop or an editing photo editing thing where you could you can basically move stuff back in the stack. So you can do that from the contextual menu. You can also obviously do it in the overlays panel by dragging things up and down the list. And that just sort of arranges where they are in this stack. The other thing is the adding stroke to the outside of things. So like a border, like I've got around the camera here as well. As I say, this is a graphical overlay, but you can get the same effect now with just with the camera overlay. So yeah, that's why I think that these these sort of graphical overlays like I'm using here at the moment are going to be pretty much redundant because you just build it all in e-count and I'm sure I can't wait to see what else they're going to do in the next after this release, what they're going to iterate on next because it's just it's just massive. So let's have a little look what else they've got. So they got another couple of things. This is something I haven't used, but they've got widgets, HTML widgets that you can now run locally. So before you could always like import things so you could have little widgets that pop up, you know, when you get new subscribers or things like that. But now you can actually create HTML widgets, have them locally and have them running. So that's something I'm definitely going to play around with. I've never actually built any of those. But I was going to say obviously, but I do know about creating things in HTML.  Couple of extra fixes keeping the widgets running in the background, which was which was a good one, because it was always a case of when you if you activated a widget overlay. So like, for example, my Buy Me a coffee link, if I activate that overlay, then it used to take a little while to just sort of load up before it appear on screen, whereas now you can have it so that it's continually running in the background. And then when you toggle that overlay on, it just appears with no load time. So that's quite useful. So yeah, lots of basically formatting things for the way that you can control the way things look on the screen. And these are the ones that I think are going to make, as I say, most of the overlays redundant. And so the the next one is the big one, screen sharing overlays and all of the things they've done in that. That was just it was always a pain point for me to be honest, trying to explain to people how to do screen sharing in Ecam Live well, because they only really had the option of sharing the the screen as a like full frame. And then you could always put the camera in and do picture in picture and then swap them around so that the screen sharing bit was picture in picture. But it was a bit of a bit of a workaround really, that was because it meant that when I'd got like my sort of traditional, I say traditional, my usual sort of screen sharing shot where I've got my screen, and then I've got my little picture up in the top corner. The picture of the screen was basically a picture in picture. Behind that was full screen, like my camera. And then I've got my other camera overlay over the top of it and an image overlay over the top of that. So it was a bit of a workaround really, because it meant you'd always got this secondary camera thing running in the background, whereas now just to be able to add the camera overlay as the the sorry the screen sharing as an overlay, and then add in all of these little features. It means you can do things well like that one that I did with my little stats where let me just bring that up again quickly. It's just a show. So this thing where I got these stats up. So that is just basically a little cropped inversion of a specific portion of the screen. And then you can still see my mouse over it where you're not sharing the whole screen. I'm also not sharing the whole app because that's just a little portion of the the YouTube studio on running on Chrome. So that's really great. The one thing that they haven't got in there at the moment, this was the thing that actually I put in as a feature request is when you are sharing the entire screen as a the source of the scene is a screen sharing. There's an option that you can toggle in the in the settings to show and hide or to show all of the the ECAM windows as well. Now if you're doing the full screen, then you can obviously do this in demo mode as well. You just do demo mode and then everyone can see everything. But my specific use cases sometimes when I'm doing my demos, I want to show a specific window or a specific part of the ECAM live interface. So it would be great to have a screen sharing overlay, but then crop in to just that window. The only problem is that little toggle that you've got in the preferences for ECAM live where it shows all of the ECAM windows. It only works if you've got the sort of the source of the scene is the the screen sharing. It doesn't work if you with screen sharing overlays at the moment. So or at least it hasn't been for me. So I've put that in as a feature request anyway, or I actually submit it as a bug. But then it turns out to I think it was Ken or Glenn said it's only works with the mains or screen sharing as opposed to screen sharing overlays. But yeah, adding in this feature is with the being able to just add in screen sharing is is brilliant as an overlay. And then with the latest beta, obviously, this is what my whole recent series is about about green screen with it. This is another thing that I've made videos about before with how I used it with keynote. And there were lots of ways you could get keynote into into ECAM and have this effect. So I did it previously with a NDI source and then had that as the camera overlay. So it was basically achieving the same effect but using NDI. But I'm not a fan of NDI to be honest. I don't like the way it behaves sometimes with when you're doing screen sharing like that. So you can shut down sometimes if you shut down the the the window, so the keynote window, for example, then it sort of totally loses it. NDI seems to lose that that that window. So if you open it back up again, then you have to go and reset NDI or set that window as the NDI source again. And it's just a bit of a pain, whereas this one, you can just toggle it on and off. It's quite quite easy and intuitive. The other thing that I found with NDI doing it that way, and I don't quite know why this should be. But it always seemed as though when I did that with using NDI and bringing a keynote presentation into ECAM and then toggle the green screen on. I always found that it sort of affected the colors more than this one. So this one, the color that I'm getting now in this in this image below is like as is as it should be. It's accurate whereas when I did it over as a camera overlay using NDI, this sort of like bluey color here that's in this sort of banner would have been affected slightly because it's got a slight elements of green in it. So it's as if I don't know the way to I don't know the technical reason why this would be. But it's almost as if the keying is like more sort of precise, I want to say that word precise for just removing just the green rather than other colors around it. So yeah, I don't know why that is but it just certainly does seem a lot better. But to have it integrated in any case as a feature where you just toggle it on and off is just pretty amazing really. The other thing that this is great for is for like when you're having transitions and things like that, then you could do those in keynote. Now, the other feature request that I put in, which I don't know how trivial this is to do, was to basically have the same little toggle for the green screen for video overlays because this is great because you can bring in keynote presentations. And so my specific use case for this is going to be when I'm doing more like presentation stuff, either on zoom or for course material that I make rather than the YouTube channel. But it does mean that I've got keynote running now and all of these little transitions that I've got running our live transitions in keynote. Well, if you think about making like a some sort of stinger or something like that that comes across the screen to go between scenes and things like that. If we could if we could make those in keynote, which you can obviously, and that's going to be one of my videos this week as well, but then export them as videos and just bring them into Ecamp and just toggle the green screen there. It would make a lot of a lot of sense. But again, I don't know how trivial that is. Whereas at the moment I have to export it, then I have to remove the green and then have to bring it into the the scene. Obviously, you can do slides with a transparent background. And so if you've only got some basic stuff on the screen, then that would work. But it wouldn't work to do what I'm doing here where it's actually animating the green components because what you can't do is sort of subtract from the background during an animation. You can only sort of say, right, well, here's the the writing. I want to subtract this from the shape behind, but it's sort of like a static thing then. So so yeah, being able to have green screen working with movies would be great. And it would just mean you could just bring a movie in that's got like green elements and just remove them with a little toggle. So that's me wishing we'll see if it makes it in, though. So so yeah, screen sharing is pretty amazing. Next, we had what was it on my list? Cameras. So there's a few things being added. So camera effects. I know there's still a couple of feature requests that we're waiting for. Michael, I'm talking with you. So the first one, though, is the camera effects window. We've got a thing where if you set up your camera effects because they are remembered on a scene by scene basis. So if you've got a camera in, you can tweak things like the color, the brightness, the temperature and all that sort of stuff. And it's just for that particular scene. But now there's a little button so you can basically just apply this to all scenes, which is great because it means, obviously, if you do want to make changes to your camera, then you can just set it up in one scene and then apply to all scenes. So that's quite handy. You've also got a button to rotate so you can rotate your cameras by 90 degrees or whatever.  That's useful, though, with things like overhead shots where you might have your camera positioned and the way that it's mounted or whatever you want to be able to rotate it. So that's definitely something that something I've had before with an overhead. So that would be useful. And then we've got things just little tweaks really about how you can when you zoom in, you can constrain things onto an axis. So if I sort of zoom in a little bit before, you can always pan around like this. But now if you just hold shift down, it would just keep it on a particular axis. So that's that's quite useful, I think. So yeah, these are sort of like little minor sort of tweaks that actually do make a difference and add up to really quite an amazing update overall. So what else did they add in? I'll support for some of the cameras, some of the newer cameras that have come out over USB. So I mentioned that in my my other video. But yes, for the A6600, the ZV-E10, DSC A7S and Fujifilm FGX 100S. So those now just work when you plug in a USB cable, they just work over USB, which is great. And then network cameras as well or something else they added in and then they've updated the virtual camera. But I've used the virtual camera every day, many times a day. But it's I've not noticed anything. I've not noticed what they've done. So it must be just something like under the hood as it were. So that is the the camera updates. Next is for streaming. So now you can stream to Twitter. Now I've got to find out what what happened with this because I did actually add in my Twitter credentials and then went to try and go live and it said I couldn't stream to it live. So I've got to just go and check and just have time to go in. I don't know if it completed the sort of authentication process. So I just need to log into Twitter and see see what I can figure out about it. But certainly streaming to Twitter is a thing. So that's been added in. They've also added in a couple of other little things like the Twitch Twitch ingestion selection. So you can just select which server like local to where you are you're selecting. So or you're streaming through. So as we already had with the LinkedIn and the Facebook one, I think have that as well. So that is that the next thing is interview mode. Big updates in there in terms of the way that works. I mean the I think it was that beta two or beta one. I can't remember now. It's quite a while ago and there's been so many. But yeah, that's added some things so you can like customize your link title and things like that. It's added in the chat for interview chat. So when you've got people on the interview, you've got a sort of a chat between the people on the on the interview as well. And then what else do they add? Customization of the links title. Oh, you've got that. Oh, and then also being able to sort of brand the links that you send out to people as well. You can add in your obviously your domain and things like that into it or your name rather. So customize the link. But then you can also add your image for the you know, how it shows up when you send it out in messages and things like that. And then also what did they add as well? There was also the logo. So when the person on the other side is logging in, it's got your sort of branding and logo on the actual the actual sort of login page for the interviewee as well. So that's that's pretty pretty great. And then finally what we've got is stream deck. So they've added some new stream deck functionality. What does the add the mute? So you've now got with the mute key, you can now mute specific interview ease or guests on the show, I should say. So you can set the key to to mute guests one, two and three and four and so on. They've also added in a play animated overlay button. So before you always had show and hide overlays, there was just a bit of a quirk with that though, because if you had a video that ran to, you know, a blank screen at the end or something like that, if you just use the show overlay button, it would play the video and then it would go to the end where it was blank and then it would stay on screen. So if you wanted to play that again, when you press the button, it would actually have the effect of just hiding it. So you'd have to press the button again to get it to show again. So the the the animated overlay button, basically it will just play the the animation regardless of if it is currently technically visible as an overlay or not. So whether or not the overlay itself is toggled on, it would just play the video. So that sort of fixes that problem. Then there's a few three that basically or two that I'd had before as multi-actions. So I had to have a multi-action to switch to Ecam and then toggle the keyboard shortcut. And so one of those was live demo mode. So now it's just a button for that. And then also there's one to show and hide the window controls over the top of Ecam.  It's kind of good to just get all of the controls off the screen. And so there's a button for that. And then they've also got one to show and hide the most recent comment as well. So if I just press that, it would just pop up the most recent comment. There you go. And then they've obviously still got the button to hide the comment as well. So that is basically if you think about it, a massive update. The people that are getting this are just going to think this is pretty pretty major. And so basically it's going to change the way, as I say, that I would recommend that people would be using Ecam live. And I did that video that one of the first videos I did actually was about a four and a half hour video all about like taking you from start to finish with setting up Ecam. If anyone wants to hop on and jump, joining the conversation, by the way, about the beta, feel free to use the link. Take one tech.io slash join. But anyway, yeah, it's it's it's it's pretty, pretty awesome. I just lost my train of thought completely there. I was talking about. But yeah, it's it's going to be pretty, pretty amazing update and it was the way that we are going to do things. So all of the things like graphical overlays and stuff like that, we're just going to be able to do that with the camera overlays themselves and adding board with borders. Then if you combine this with stuff that like Anna and Fulgians do on their building blocks channel and also in the Ecam group every year is it Monday, I want to say Monday six a.m. But that's just for me, I think so. Oh, Michael's joining one second. Let me just get Michael in here. Sign guest one. Hello, Michael. Oh, I've got you as Greg. Hang on, let me just adjust that. How are you doing? I'm doing very well in yourself. A very well indeed. Yes, very well. Yeah. Oh, I've got to I still got a hangover from the last stream that comment is. There we go. Yeah. I have a quick question. Yeah, sure, sure. OK, you were just talking about the interview area where you could rename it to whatever you want. Yeah, just tell me just tell me I renamed mine to Rancos City. Is this? Is that going to work? Yeah, it should do. Let me just have a quick check. It should it should do that if you come into the settings in there. Have a quick look. Yeah, that is just the little look where has it gone now? Because I used to put a number behind it and I changed it to Rancos City. Yeah, it should do. If that's where you've gone in and edited it, then yeah. OK, that's what I wanted to know.  Oh, wonderful, wonderful. He is he is he's laying right here. You did a you did a fantastic job on the beta release. And I've been following every one of your. Keynote one, because I really, really have some ideas that I wanted to use. But you know from the past when I was trying to figure different things out. Yes, yeah. And and that green screen is really helping. Well, it's a real game changer, like for me as well. It's yeah, it makes things so much easier. So obviously, I've done the first two videos and I've got three more to do and they're going to be sort of get like, you know, more and more, I want to say advanced, but just using adding a few more features and things like that in. So I think you'll like those. Those yeah, in the next couple of days. Oh, I'll be watching. I actually I watch your video. You know, I download your videos after I watch them. Right. And then I play I play them on one screen and I use keynote on the other screen to to step through what you're showing. Yeah, well, that's that's how I do things when I when I'm watching like tutorials and stuff like that. Because that's that's what I've been using YouTube for years since, you know, before I started obviously creating stuff myself. It was always the tutorials that I used to watch. Yeah, I'm having a little problem with one that I've been putting together. You remember those side cards that I have coming out? OK, well, I'm working with that. And when I do the show in window, the first two show up fine. And then the second one, I have to click again and integrate it there. They're not working as smooth as they should. Right, right. And so I might send you that file and see if you can see what I've done wrong. Yeah, sure. No problem. Yeah, yeah. That would that would be good because I really like it to work. Yeah. So what the next video that I'm going to make with about the green screen screen-sharing thing is about obviously, if you're using like a camera overlay where you've got a border around it, previously, when you'd got like an actual physical graphical border around the edge, then the way that I'd done those before with those sort of slide things that come in from the side, they would appear that they were coming from behind the border. Whereas now we haven't really got an actual border because we've just got a little line around the camera. So the next video is basically about adding a cropping area around the the powerpoint the keynote slide rather. So you've got a green background, but then we add the effectively the border as a green border over the top of the keynote slide. And so anything that sort of flies in from the side is then coming from behind that. So it sort of mimics the effect of having a real overlay on the screen, if you see what I mean. Oh, OK. So that will be my next next video, though. So that might actually just solve the the problem. I don't know. But we'll have a look at it. Problem is that screen share doesn't crop down the usable area. Greg says. I'm not quite sure what you mean by that one, actually. So you can crop the screen sharing, obviously, if you do a screen sharing overlay, because we've got the option. I don't know, I might be missing something on that one. Yeah, after after I think about that one, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that one, Greg. But yeah, certainly, you can obviously crop the the anything that you're sharing on the screen. And so technically, you could have like something running with green screen and then just crop the the edges of the part of the screen that you're sharing. So I think that that would still work, but maybe I've misunderstood that one. So so when's your your next live plan then, Michael? Actually, I was planning on doing it this week. I've been making a lot of notes and I'm actually going live on YouTube. Oh, brilliant. Oh, I look forward to that. Yeah. I I assume earlier when you were talking about the cameras that we were discussing, my green screen problem. Oh, yes, that was I meant to mention that. Yeah, yeah. So that was about currently, when you set the the green screen on a camera, it is sort of pinned to the frame of the camera. So if you imagine like the size of your camera shot, yeah, the green screen image behind will always be pan to that pit fixed to that. So the reason being that if you zoom the camera, you want the background to zoom. But the problem is if you want to adjust the zoom and position of your camera first, then it can put out all of your green screen background. So the sort of the feature that we've requested is to allow you to adjust it first and then sort of lock it in position. So if you had like a little toggle that was sort of like unlinked, basically the camera overlay from the background, fixed it all into the right position and then lock them together. And then you could still have the zoom function. So that was the the feature request we put in. And I think yeah, Ken and Glenn, I think did say, yeah, sounds like a good idea. So we'll keep our fingers crossed and see if it makes it into the yeah, the next beta, if not the next version. But well, for now, I've been Oh, there's Tom. I'll just say hi Tom. Yeah. For for now, I'm using that work around that both you and Ken and Glenn recommended. Yeah, but like I said, you have to blur the picture and Photoshop. Yeah, to bring it in because you have no blur ability in that's it. Yeah, because you don't have that depth of field. Yeah, yeah. I mean, with my background, I actually did end I sort of pre blurred it in Photoshop anyway. Because originally I was looking at OBS. So with that one, they didn't have the blur function. So that's why I sort of pre blurred this. But yeah, you would totally lose that option to blur it if you were just putting it in as an image background. Yeah. Yeah. And what else do you like about the new beta that you've been playing with? Well, let's see. I like the ability to keep your overlays open. So that if you want to use them again, I like that. Yeah. I love the new hide the controls button. Yes, yeah. And the new screen share button. What I'm having trouble with in in keynote is when I press next slide or previous slide doesn't do anything. Do you know what? This was working for me fine when I did that demo. But then this morning when I've done it, it's not working for me as well. And I thought, Oh, I must have been some issue with like moving my buttons over to my live streaming stream deck profile instead of the other one. So I went and deleted them and put them in again. And it wasn't working for me this morning. So I'm not quite sure it must be it must be something to do with keynote that must be because I did the whole the whole of those videos that I did, I was using those buttons. And then just this morning it was not working. So it's strange that is I'll be digging into that one after this. So I'll let you know how it goes because I because I playing with that. The slight side notes that I was telling you about. Yep, it doesn't do anything doesn't go to the next slide. It doesn't do anything. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I'll wait for your answer. Yeah. Oh, the other thing that I forgot to mention in the sort of rundown of everything, which makes a difference for me is the way that you can lock layers together as well. So that was something that they added in not this last one, but I think number two or one or something like that. So I did. I do like where you've got like, like basically grouping stuff as well. It makes it easier. The one that I'd like to sort of add on as a feature to that, which I've dropped in the basic group as well is to be able to have once you've grouped stuff together, have them all scale together as well. So you can actually just resize the whole group. Yeah, at the moment. Yeah, it locks them in. You can move them, but you still have to resize them individually. So yeah, that's just a bit of a pain. Hi, Wayne. Great to see you. And Neil, the new Twitter stream to Twitter option. Yeah, so with the the streaming to Periscope from restream that I wanted to stream to Twitter and that was going to be my only option. But it seemed that when I go into my restream to actually set that link up because they've sort of retired Periscope, it wouldn't let me set it up as a new account or I could never actually link to Twitter. So even though technically it's there in restream, it's just seemed for me that if it's a new a new account, I can't I can't couldn't do it anyway. So yeah, I'll definitely be definitely be trying that one out though. And so you're going to you'll be streaming to YouTube, Michael, and then are you going to stream to anywhere else as well? Like do simultaneous streaming or no, not at the moment. I'm having trouble streaming to Facebook. So I'll have to find out what the problem is and then I can stream to both. Right, right. The Facebook one that I set up immediate in for now was set up to be a private group so that I could stream to my family. Right, right. And well, and friends or whatnot. Yeah. So I have to change it to, you know, to be universal. Well, I don't know if you have to write term, but I get public sort of thing. But yeah, but for now, I've got to go to YouTube. And I also have to make a little video because they always ask what's the first video you want them to see, you know, up in the yes. Yeah. Yeah. Is that is that something special?  So for up until I think it was two weeks ago that I actually made that video and I made a specific one which was kind of like, you know, welcome to the channel, that sort of thing. But up until then, yeah, I think that's a nice idea really. So people go there, get to understand a bit about what it's all about and that sort of thing. And then you can also select a video that's going to be for basically you can this too, there's one for new visitors to the channel. But then you've also got another one that is specifically for existing subscribers who are just visiting the channel page. And so there you might want to have a different video or you can set it to be just the latest or pick a video or something like that. So yeah, it's a couple of options with that. That's good. That's good. So how's the how's the daughter? Oh, she's much better. Yeah, yeah, we've actually got to take her back to the the dentist today. So it's two weeks since since her little accident, bouncing on the bed with a big sister and she fell off and bumped her teeth and pushed them back. But she's five. So they're quite flexible. Yeah. And yeah, she's yeah, she recovered a lot quicker than I did. You know, she was I know the feeling. Yeah, I know, I know what you must have been feeling. Yeah, to be honest, when I was younger, I was always in the accident emergency unit. I forget how many times but I had all sorts of bumps and broken bones and things like that. So it seemed like my parents were always taking me to the A&E unit. Oh, hi, Eileen. I'll just say quickly. Hi to Eileen. Always nice to see you, Eileen. Yeah, from. Sorry, go on. Oh, no, I was going to read what was up there. All right. A quick hack about using the free version of Restream by Ecam lets you stream in HD if you use the Restream native app. It is at Oh, I see. Right. Yeah. I've never used the Restream native app, to be honest. I've only ever done stuff through Ecam. So, yeah. Eileen's asking who's got the squeaky chair. Me. I can't help it. Well, I guess I could keep it from there. No, it won't go back. So Michael, business growth ready. That's another Michael, the other Michael, the UK Michael. He's saying about that's talking about the video on the YouTube homepage. So, your video would be basically like an elevator pitch style video as to what's in it for them. So, basically, what's what's going to be covered on the channel and that sort of that sort of stuff. And hey, Sammy, always great to see you popping in here as well. Yeah, she's much, much better. Thank you, Eileen. So with in terms of your live stream, Michael, what are you thinking in terms of scheduling? Are you going to be doing it sort of on a regular basis at a specific time? Or I hope to. I'm trying to trying to figure out what I can actually focus on. And I don't know, maybe I'll redo some that I see, see on the end. I've heard people say, go to other people's streams and see how they did, say, the ZV E10. And then do your own version of that show some of your gear and explain how you use it. Yeah. So those are all possibilities. Also, I can talk an awful lot about being a senior citizen and dodging golf carts here in Wrinkle City. Right. Well, I think if you've got something that you're like passionate about, which you are about, like technology and stuff like that, then doing that but just adding in all of the other stuff that's about you personally as well that adds, you know, your character and things to it. It's I mean, all of the stuff that I cover on my do my videos on, it's not like I'm the only person doing it. And half of them I learned from other people anyway. You know, it's some stuff I've figured out myself, but a lot of them is, you know, I've watched Doc's videos. And if you look down my list of videos, there are some that are a direct correlation with videos that Doc's done that, you know, I learned stuff from him or from whoever else from Tom Buck or whoever. And then just just making my own spin on it once I start using the thing and, you know, yeah, putting my own thing on it. So yeah, I'll send you my video list over and you can have a look through some of those titles. OK, I was going to say, oh, on Doc's stream today, he was having an awful lot of trouble. Was he? Yeah, he couldn't seem to we kept seeing in a black screen or an orange screen with nothing on it. Right, right. Then we couldn't hear him. But finally, he got it straightened out. But somebody asked a question about the new beta and he said, you need to go look at Alex's video on Take One 10. So so he recommended because he also had a little bit of a problem of doing the new beta version. Some of the things he couldn't figure out. And he is what was I going to say? The he had put in stream deck and then done something to it. So when he was trying to figure out how to turn off the menus on your main screen, you know, the hide controls, it was no longer in there. He said he's going to have to wait for the next version so that he can get the screen to stream back update. But yours yours went smooth and it helped a lot. Oh, I see what you mean. So he so when he updated to the beta, the the little window that you toggle to say update stream deck, he hadn't pressed that one, perhaps. Apparently, yeah. Right, right. I never thought about that. I never thought about because in my my video I sort of mentioned that you need to do it, but I didn't sort of stress the importance of if you don't do it, then there's no way to sort of read, you know, get the that window up again. That's it's interesting that now. Yeah, so so he said he's going to have to wait for the next version and hopefully there'll be a stream deck in there. Yeah, yeah, there were a few things he I was just wondering if he could sort of uninstall and then reinstall, would that prompt him to update it as well? That might be another way round. But I don't know. And all right, right. Well, just goes to show technical problems happen to even the best. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But this is this is great being live with you. It is really nice. Yeah. So for those that don't know me and Michael have quite a back and forth with each other anyway, but it's sort of by video videos back and forth. So it's really nice to just actually sit and chat. We obviously see each other on office hours and on streams and things like that. But it's not quite the same as having a chat. Is it? No, no. And UK, Michael says, what's your channel topic? So it's Wrinkle City is the the channel on YouTube. And then you can explain what the channel is about. Well, it's just I'm as I said, I'm going to talk about my gear and how I use it, demonstrate some of the things that I use. I can talk about, you know, problems with being a senior citizen, because it is called Wrinkle City after a while after all. And then I also have some programs, you know, like you show a lot of of different programs that you get from from the home. What's the name of that thing? Oh, set up. Set up. Yeah. Yeah. You you show a lot of stuff for that. So and I have some programs that I use that I find to be better than some of the others. And I'm going to show those. And of course, again, it's just personal preference that I like. I like what I have. And who knows? Other people may not care for him. You know, it becomes the choice of the individual. Yeah. Yeah, there's so many. I was just going to say, sorry, with set up, there's so many things in there. So it's pretty amazing that all the different apps that you can get. It is. It is. In fact, I used to own real the web page maker. I forget. It's real something. It's from and and now it's in set up and and I paid full more for it a bit while back. Well, I I did that. I paid for a lot of them up front and then they came out in there. So. Hello, Greg. Hi, Greg. Hey, everybody. How are you doing? I've been a busy busy day getting a lot of random things done at this little bad boy today. Oh, cool. Cool. I saw your photo. I did. I did.  And our our puppy had surgery, so he's out now. Oh, and yeah. And I have the last throws of getting ready for the bike race tomorrow. So yeah. Oh, yeah. How much of riding have you done the past week? I've not checked. So I hurt my knee. I hurt my knee two weeks ago and I've done very little since maybe like I've only done like 10, 15 miles indoors. So. We going straight to the to the that is quite a leap, isn't it? Yeah. I don't know if you heard at the beginning, but I've not not done anything this week as well. Just had a bit of a mad, mad week with that. We do stuff. So I've got like average of I think 40, 42 miles a day or something to do like that between now and the end of the month. So I'm going to have so very sore legs. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Oh, I just say hi, Jeff, because I've never actually seen you in the stream. Obviously, see you on office hours and thank you for being a supporter on buying me a coffee as well, Jeff. And so yes, some parallels with with Michael. You've always got really great answers to questions, by the way, Jeff, in and comments in in office hours. So I can't wait to see what you do because you've obviously got a lot of a lot of skill and knowledge to impart for everybody. So I'm really looking forward to that. Alec, I did have a question, actually. Maybe you can show me how to do something that I can't figure out how to do. Go on. Sure. Sure. Yeah. So I posted this question in the ECAM group as well. You see how you have your take one type sort of lower thirds there? Yes. Yeah. What if you had three of them in the same location? If to end to. So I guess I have these three banners, they're different links. And I'm trying to turn one on but make sure the other two turn off. So, yeah, that would just be in stream deck, have a multi action in stream deck. So basically I tried it. But it it only has show hide. It doesn't have on like make it on or make it off. I get what you're saying. Yeah. So hmm. I see the problem now, yeah, because you could have if the two of them are both off, then when you press the button, then unless you've just activated, that is a bit tricky, actually. Yeah. You want to sort of cycle between them, don't you? Yeah. Well, I want to make sure that when you turn one on, that none of the others are on, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could just have a button for each one and then I do have a button for each one and I just remember to push it again so that it turns it off before you switch to the next Yeah. So if you had them sort of like three in a line or whatever, you'd just be a case of like toggle that one off and press that one on. So there'd be a gap in between it. But is it that you want it to just like there to be no blank space at the bottom? I would rather not have to remember to like push it off. Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping I was hoping we could trade it like a radio button group and somehow be like, yeah, when this one's on, these two should be off. Yeah. But the opposite state is not the same. Like I don't want the other two on when the one is off, right? Yeah, yeah. Got you. Got you. Yeah. Yeah. You would have to have a separate button, which would be yeah, it'd get complicated. I think I mentioned in that question actually about using stream depth multi actions. But then now you mention it, you you would have to have like one to flip from overlay one to overlay two. You'd have to have another one to flip from overlay one to overlay three, one from overlay two. Yeah, that would get really messy. Maybe we need an intentional action for hide scene or hide overlay versus show overlay, not show hide. Uh huh. Yeah. What I've wanted to do as well is actually be able to do things in keyboard maestro. Now, let me just have a quick check. Now, I've mentioned in this. Actually, I bet there's a keyboard way to do it. That there is not. It's that you've only got the same option as you've got in stream deck. So there is a thing to hide overlays. But yeah. You can do next overlay. So that would be a way to do it. But again, you can be one way to do it. That doesn't give me the ability to jump right. So for example, I have it for like, here's the link to down. Get some free coins versus here's the link for our show versus here's the link to our listing on zealous. And I go in order often. But you know, every once in a while, I want to remind people maybe differently of a different one. Yeah. Let's just have a little try of this moment. What I'm going to do is I'm going to just basically add in a text overlay. So I've got this text to where's that? We'll get to the bottom of this. I think that that might actually because you've only got three technically, you can always cycle to one of the other ones because you can either cycle forward to go to the next one backwards to go to the other one. But if I want middle one, then I have to quick that one intentionally. So let's do text one and then I'll just stick this down here. Obviously, these would all be in exactly the same place in reality, but we'll just see if it works to sort of show and hide them. So this one, I'll make this text to. And this one, whoops, this one, I'll make that text three. Right. So if I show and hide those or those two and then I'm going to group these, I'll check if this works, I'll share my screen and show you what I've done. I'm putting these text overlays all in a in a group now because I'm hoping if I do control shift left and right, I think control shift left and right. Yeah. So if you put if you've got your overlays, you put them in a group, then basically those left and right arrows will just basically cycle forwards and backwards. And because they're in a group when you get to the end, it will cycle to the other one. So you would literally just be able to put those three in. And then that isn't a stream that button, I don't think next overlay. That is definitely a feature request. I think there is a button for that. Yeah. Oh, actually, there's a next scene. Because next I'm sorry next overlay. Yeah. So but you could you can make that as a button, though, on stream deck, just have it as a yeah, it would be it would be a multi action. So you'd have to have a multi action so that you basically the first action is open Ecamm live because then if Ecamm live isn't open, it brings it to the front and it becomes the active application. And then the next one would be to go forward would be command shift right and command shift left to go back.  Oops, I've changed out. And I mean it it does depend on which overlay is actually selected as well. So because now I've just clicked on another little widget. Oh, I thought I thought you could do you could do show overlay first, technically. Yeah, show overlay. Yeah. Show hide basically to make sure that one's visible. Yeah, it would just get like so now. So I'm using these keys to go back and forth. But let's say for some reason, I just click on a completely different overlay down here somewhere. And then I cycle through that. It's now lost my position in it. So I've got to come back and physically click on that text three overlay. This would be a great feature, though. So let's let's get it in the group as a feature request because yeah, I can totally see the use case for it. But what I would love to have is actually a way for all of these things to be accessible by keyboard maestro. There is a bit of a sort of hack around it in terms of scenes and things like that because the scenes all appear as in the menu. So if you go to scenes, you can just see all of your different scenes. So if you did want to do anything with keyboard maestro and I do this with profiles as well. Anything that you've got in a menu in any program, in fact, on the Mac, you can assign keyboard shortcuts to it. So I use a thing called Custom Shortcuts is the name of the application. It's a free application. You can do it with the Mac built in anyway in system preferences, but Custom Shortcuts is just a much better program for it. And all you do is you set the application and you write the name of the menu item and then you can apply a shortcut. So with that one, I've just basically gone into my I've done it for my profiles. So all of my different profiles. I've got a keyboard shortcut. And then I've got a keyboard maestro macro that basically when I press a button, it will switch to the right profile, open all the windows that I want open for Ecam and then it uses Moom to sort of position them all. But you could do the same with the like the scenes as well. So what would be good is if all of the overlays were actually listed in the menu, because at the moment it just it all if you go into the overlays menu of Ecam, it just has the recently added ones. So you don't get all of the list of them. But if there was some way to access the full list of overlays, then you'd be able to apply a shortcut to it and then you'd be able to do it all with like the way we've just said with either keyboard maestro or stream deck whatever. Yeah. So I'll just say I'll just say goodbye to Neil says he's got to drop out. Thanks for stopping in. But yeah, it's having that's the sort of next level of of development that personally for my own selfish means. I mean, we've got to we've got a shortcut for next page in the PDF. Why don't we have like, you know, articulate it individual? Yes. Yeah. I suppose it's one of those things. There's just, you know, the green screen screen sharing thing is something that I don't think Ken and Glenn saw the use case for. They said, oh, people have asked for this. I don't know why you'd want to do that because they were obviously just thinking about the way that they use screen sharing is they just show in their screen and they're showing demonstrating what's on it and they hadn't really thought about what it unlocks in terms of the power of just doing presentations and stuff like that because I do a lot of a lot of presentations in things like zoom and whatever, but also creating course material and nobody wants to see slides. You don't want to be standing, you know, with picture in picture and slides over on this side and you just running through a slide deck or something. But to be able to bring all this stuff in in a sort of more immersive way is it's just phenomenal to be honest, making, you know, sort of more immersive presentations. Yeah. I wonder oh, I did I had a comment before I slipped out. So I don't sure if you saw it about the the bounding box on the screen as well. I didn't quite get what you were talking about. So if you take a window and you share it, yeah, the green screen out the part around it, the bounding box is actually much bigger still. It's still the original size, right? So if you're actually trying to resize it, what ends up happening is you're still constrained by the original bounding box, not the new one. You mean where it's got a border around it? Is that what? Yeah. Well, not even the border. So like I'll give you an example today when I did my stream, I did it all in echem for the first time, actually. And I screen shared a browser window. It was showing my background behind it. So I green screened it down to the window. However, even though the browser window was this wide, the control, the bounding box for it was actually this wide. Right. So I didn't actually size the browser to be bigger, even though I had room. Got you. I tell you what that is, though, that is when you add on a screen sharing overlay. Let me first way to do this. This is going to look quite big if I just share my whole screen. I'll just add it in and tell you what it is because I add a screen sharing overlay. So now let me come and. Oops. Is that fun? I want to put that somewhere else. Put it up at the top. So now we've got this screen sharing overlay. So that's you can see my green there is just basically my keynote. That's what's running the keynote. But what I'll do is I'll come over to here and I'll share a specific thing which let me share my YouTube stats thing that I've got up and like this. And what I think that you've got is do you mean something like like this? If you click on it.  Yeah. Yeah. So with the with the the when you select the toggle to say what the source is. This is a new feature that was added in as well, which I don't think I mentioned in my rundown of it. And I'm not sure that it was mentioned in the actual thing either. But where you say show and then you're going to select the application. There's something underneath which says shape and you can have it as widescreen classic or whatever. Or you can set it to the primary display aspect. So if you set it to the primary display aspect, then it will just stick to that particular display. So what you can do though is you can actually just use the obviously the crop tool to crop in the edges. The other thing to watch out for is in system preferences, not system preferences in econ preferences. There's another thing in the screen sharing tab, which is add margin when zooming to an app or window. And if you do that, it leaves that can you see the little extra border just that it's just added in.  Sorry, it's both at Michael.  So here's another interesting thing. I can't get to the bounding box because of oh, here I got to it. I had to find a very special place to find it. Because the other elements were actually causing overlap. Got you. Right. So where was that other thing you showed? The so there's one when you actually add the screen share overlay and then you've got the little pencil icon next to it. Oh, yeah. And if I if you pick custom, you can just literally just drag it to whatever you want, even without cropping, actually. Oh, that's great. Now I. Interesting. Very interesting. Oh, by the way, I did have one last question. Go on. No problem. When I was changing tabs while sharing, there was a refresh like and I thought I remember you having a tip on how to not have the refresh. So sharing browser tabs. Yeah, it would go gray like it would blank out when I switch tabs. Oh, that's interesting. Are you in Safari or? I'm sharing Chrome. I cannot share my let me. Let me switch my camera to my e-cam. Right there. So now you can see that. What are API so watch when I switch tabs here? You see a flash? See that? Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, I've not seen that before, but then I don't share multi tab on Chrome that much. Let me give that a go by this one. Previous conversation ever. Say that again. I said sorry. I was apologizing to Michael because it's such a nerdy conversation. Oh, Michael, Michael loves. Don't worry about it. Don't worry. Right. So. I suppose it helped by some pages up. So it was just when you were clicking between tabs. Yep. Do you get it there? Yeah, that's interesting. Right. That's definitely some sort of a little bug, isn't it? Yeah, very strange. That is very strange. Yeah. It's almost like once it's actually loaded up though, it sort of. It's not doing it so much then, is it? If I go to a new page. Oops, where's that? How did I get to that? Ecom live.com is for sale. I don't know if I spelled that wrong. Can't be right. Oh, it's because it's Ecom, isn't it? It's not Ecom live. They want to snap that up though, don't they? I would. You would think so. Yeah. Maybe I should maybe I should buy it and put all my channel content on there. Right. That'd be great. Yeah, I definitely saw it though. Yeah, that one does it, doesn't it? So there's that momentary pause. Yeah, that is weird. There was another little bug in the previous beta, which has just been resolved now, which was sometimes when I'd go to screen sharing, it would actually just shut down the application that I was sharing or minimize it rather. If I was sharing a particular part of the screen and cropping on it, it just sort of minimized the application. It's a bit of a weird one. But yeah, that's all being fixed. So. Can I say something? Of course you can. Yes. Yeah. OK. Has in Doc's stream today, he was answering a question on lag of volume and lag of thing. And he explained that you've got to remember that what you do on your computer has to go out to the Internet and back to you and and out to the other people. And that there is he said it wasn't really lag. It was just the way. Yeah, yeah, I get that. But this is what with this particular thing, it's actually it's just screen. It's sharing the screen of my computer. So it's an e-cam screen sharing locally thing that we're talking about, where when you flick from one tab to another, there's like it's not actually updating the e-cam. So it's all it's all happening on the computer. It's not to do with it, how long it takes to go out to anybody. It's actually just when you. But when you're when you're doing that and you're looking at the app itself, instead of what's coming across to us, is it still flickering? Yeah, yeah, that's that's where the thing is. So there's like when you when you look at the app and change tabs, it's like it's not actually updating the screen sharing. There's a momentary drop between it changing tabs on the on the computer locally, not not just the stream. Oh, OK. On the computer locally, it's yeah. Oh, OK. Yeah. So it would be the same recording a video. That's all right. It would be the same if I was recording a video as well. So yeah, it's a bit of a weird one. It's only it's only small. But yeah, people like us. Yeah, you know, I do I do a news show. So I went through, you know, I 10 tabs. And so yeah, there was sort of this like persistent delay. And I was just like, oh, what is that? Like, yeah. How do I get rid of that? Yeah. Well, no, I know I know that they recommend we don't use Safari, but I wonder if it does the same thing in Safari. It doesn't do it with Safari because I've just never noticed it. I'll just I'll just double check. But I'm probably because the way that Chrome runs each tab is like a process and maybe it's doing some kind of weird, you know, switch to like the active process that you're using. Yeah. By the way, I will tell you, Alec, I found a very interesting trick that I fixed for myself. OK, I stopped using Gmail in Chrome. Right. I started you opening it only in Safari. Uh huh. And literally my computer stopped crashing and going. Ah, really? Well, you can't expect Google to get Gmail to work properly in their own browser. You would think a Gmail instance takes up almost one gig of memory in the browser when it's in Chrome. At least for me. That is amazing. I was getting like 800 plus megabytes per instance and I have like five or six mail accounts on Gmail that I have to track all day. Right. So I was using up like six gigabytes, literally just keeping those tabs open. So I finally just stopped using it in there and I put in Safari and it works fine. Right. Let's give this a go. I'm now sharing Safari. So let me see when I go to this other tab. By the way, have you seen the way that they've updated tabs in the recent update with Safari? So now the tabs don't like it. No, I don't like them. There's two options to them. You can also I can't tell which one is the actor. I always have this problem when people do these. Which one's the real one? Yeah. So if you have a look in Safari preferences, there is two different versions of it as well. You can either have them. They call it this compact style where they're all basically in this head of strip or you can change it to separate where they all come down here. I really don't like this one because they just, yeah, I don't I don't like them where they're down there. So I tend to have it as compact. So then you end up with a sort of blend of the tabs up here and this. But yeah, I'm not not as keen on that horrible too. Yeah, they're both terrible. They're both terrible. That is just the best of them, I think. So it's it's just it's just weird here. But anyway, let me try this. Let's see if I if I switch tabs, do we get a little see? Yeah, I can see what you mean. It's hard to tell which ones which is they're going to be a little pause. Let's try. Right. Is it the gray one or is it the dark gray one? They're in fact that. So that's let me just show you that then because that's the other thing that I told off on this. If I come to Safari preferences again, let me just make this a little bit bigger so you can actually see it. Bring it in there. So the other thing is you can have show color in tab bar. So that will show the color of the the window that you're looking in the the tab bar. I don't know which one was it now. So I don't know. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah. So this is where it just all blends up from the top. And then you do get some things that like pop out. But if I go to a website that's got like yellow on it or something like that, then the whole window will be yellow. So they're trying to make it, you know, look as if it's all kind of, I suppose, immersive or something like that. But it's yeah, it's I'm not too keen on it overall. Yeah, I can't stand it. This is horrible. It doesn't seem as though are really good, though, by the way. Yeah. So so when you're in a folder and I open them all up at one time, I just have my mail in a folder and it actually makes me more productive because I put away the windows that I don't need to look at. Yeah. And you can open those with their stream deck as well. So the couple of browsers that I need open. So then I do that with keyboard maestro to basically open a group of windows. Oh, that's cool. That's a good idea. Now, here's another problem that with the tab collections, however, you can't pin the tabs anymore. Ah, right, right. Yeah, so you can duplicate one other stuff, but it has to be in a non-tap collection window for you to actually pin it. And I like pinning them. So I know the ones that I don't want to close versus the other ones open organically from stuff, right? Yeah, it didn't seem to be doing. It didn't. So Safari didn't even have the buffing. No, it didn't. It doesn't seem to be a Chrome thing, which sort of doesn't surprise me. Yeah, doesn't surprise me at all. The only thing I really use Chrome for is YouTube. That does seem to work better in like YouTube studio. It seems to work better in there. And specifically, actually, not so much YouTube studio, but TubeBuddy works better in there. Are there even extensions for Safari? I mean, I don't. Um, for TubeBuddy extensions, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure. I think, in fact, maybe that was the reason why I didn't use it. I can't remember. Yeah, it might be just. By the way, I have heard that Edge, if you barely use Chrome, Edge is actually a pretty good browser because it has all the Chrome plugins, but it's not. It's better than Chrome. Ah, OK. Yeah. Yeah, does Edge work on a Mac? It does. Yeah. It's Chromium. Same thing as Chrome, basically, but they've done a better job, apparently, of managing memory and stuff like that. Michael's saying that TubeBuddy works in Edge as well, so. Which I suppose makes sense if it's Chromium, doesn't it? So, um, yeah, I think all the plugins basically work, which is great. Right. Oh, hey, Matt. Great to see you. Oh, and Paul, I didn't notice. I've not been looking at the comments. Sorry, everyone. Paul slipped in as well. Have I figured out the problem with the Amazon shop? So while we're talking about browsers, this was, um, Doc dropped a link into, um, to something on Amazon. And or, oh, no, it was somebody had asked, in fact, it was, I think it was Paul that had asked, can he drop the link into his like something on Amazon so that we can go and visit using his link, basically. So Doc had got an Amazon storefront setup and he dropped the link into the chat. And when me and Paul went to it, it opened up in Safari, which was my default browser, opened up in Safari. But then instead of actually going to the page, it was a blank page and then it just downloaded a blank page. And I thought it was something to do with like an ad blocker or because it said Safari, if you look in the little shield symbol at the top, it's like the ultimate ad blocker. It blocks all privacy information. So it did say that it had dropped a blocked double click dot net, which would make sense if it was some sort of linking going through there. But I went into Safari and turned off all of my sort of settings in related to privacy, ad blocking and all that sort of stuff and tried to link again. And it still didn't work. So whereas some of the other Amazon links like a direct Amazon link would work. So I don't know if it was something to do if you've got a bit of a sort of funky redirect link because the link that he gave was basically was it dot rock? Oh, was it a brandy link or whatever that may be? Yeah, it was it was dot rock dot live slash. If you're the problem, yeah, then he's using another redirecter which maybe is eating the yeah, some of the programs. Yeah, whereas if you just dropped in his actual Amazon link, then we could just get straight to it. So I think it is something to do with that, Paul. But yeah, yeah, I did as much as I could do on my end. I couldn't figure it out any further than that. So yeah, that's what I got. So Safari downloaded a blank page and Chrome goes to just a blank page. So very strange that is. Yeah, I think he needs to look into it from his side. But he seemed to be able to click on it and it worked fine. But then I guess it would do for him, wouldn't it? Because it's it's his link. So yeah, Matt is saying that his power was down and the generator didn't start. Well, it's good that you've got a generator, though. I sometimes we have we've had a few power outages here recently and I've been thinking I need to get some sort of proper backup. Although I've got a UPS for the computer, obviously. But yeah, not enough for the whole house or anything. And I think they're out of lockdown in Vietnam where Matt is now as well. So that's got to be a bit of a relief. We've we're not in lockdown in Thailand, but there's a few more restrictions coming in. There's been a sort of increase of cases over the past few months, but it's all flattening off now. So it's looking good, I think. Let's hope so. Yeah, we'll get there in the end. Oh, and congratulations, Greg, on your zealous stream that you did. Oh, thanks. It was a really cool watch. That was. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we did all that in the browser. No, you can't. Yeah. So yeah, I was pretty psyched. There's obviously some challenges and issues to sort out still.  He's a friend of ours, you know, is hoping, you know, I hope he could maybe be an investor someday in zealous itself. So yeah, you saw the part where we had like eight people. Yeah, yeah. And it's all dynamic. You don't have to figure out where to put anyone or any of the stuff. Yes, yeah. Yeah, it was a it was a great demo. If you if you're going to do a demo for a venture capitalist, then it's nice when it all goes right, isn't it? Yeah, so we did find some bugs. Right. What the main bug is that it was only pulling 320 from everybody. So the quality was not as good as it could be. It could be. So we found I think we found why that bug is happening. Right. So now we're pulling. We're going to pull at 720 and then we'll degrade instead of trying to upgrade. Right. So that's the main thing just to get that composition a little higher quality. But I don't know if you saw we got the comments, the Q&A's to come up now. So with that, we'll start to be able to layer in other things. Right. So we'll have banners like they have in restream and stream yard and we'll have multiple styles configurable colors and all this other stuff. Yeah. The other thing I liked of yours this week was your thing on Twitter with the about the creator economy. I thought that little graphic you did was brilliant. Oh, the thread. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. That it just sort of crystallized a load of different things really. I'll let me see if we can grab that quickly because it was I thought that was brilliant. And it's good that you see you see you got the the enthusiasm economy in there as well from Heather. From Heather. Yeah. So I don't know if you remember when we had Heather on originally. That's how long ago I started working on that. But I just have time to document it. I'm glad it's helpful, though, because I, you know, it's it's not meant to to limit folks. I think it's just trying to let us have a kind of better conversation about what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's just it just sort of puts things into context I thought really well. Let me see if we get this to the top. Go. It's quite good to be able to just do this. We would be just automatically sitting on top of this image. That's true. That is one of the limitations when you've got all these scenes set up and you just want to drop a little image in. So, yeah, I just thought this was a lot. I like things like this that they appeal to my visual mind. Yeah, you know, they say like there's a lot of these folks that are like these analysts or strategist types and whatnot. But the reason people pay attention to them is if they can visualize it well, right? Yes. Yeah. You can somehow figure out how to visualize it that you failed. Yeah. So yeah, the creator economy, enthusiasm economy, expert economy, and influence economy. It's just brilliant. The simple ideas often are, aren't they? Well, I say simple, obviously. I'm sure it took a while to get to it, but it's... I had done four other variations before this. You know what they say? The hardest thing is the axes, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's like what's the... When you do a two by two grid, it's always like what are the two dimensions that are the most useful for dissecting and separating sort of the contents? Right? Because you could put... There's 100 things you could put on those axes. Yes, yeah. Yeah, I thought that was great. Great thread as well in Twitter. That was the other thing I didn't mention, by the way. My Twitter tweet 100 challenge, which I'm still doing. It's going good. To be honest with you, I have missed... I missed yesterday, I think, for whatever reason. But it's... I thought you had a cannon, a machine gun of tweets lined up already. I did, and then it ran out and I just hadn't got around to doing it. So the past few days I've done it. And then once my automation failed, or my automation failed twice, I think once it didn't fail, but it was that there was something to do with the timing. I basically got two out in a day based on when they were measuring it or something like that. So yeah, so now I'm down to manually doing them again until I just get another load up. But it's still been a success because part of the reason I wanted to do it was just to be a bit more active on Twitter rather than just automating my posts going out to it. So I have been... All right, I will give you a tip, Alec, on how to do this now. Because I'm about to do this also. Make a list of 30 tips for something. Right, right. And then here's what's cool. Record a short for each one. That is a cool idea because that's something else I need to get back into, isn't it, the shorts? Yeah, so you have... You can do 30 tips like even in here for the live community, macro community. Even if you're like, hey, did you know this is a keyboard shortcut? Right? Like, if you hit this, it'll do this, right? But you literally do 30 of them and just record them on one shot. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm doing that. You know that. I'm doing that now. Also, a tweet with video is gonna do better. So now you can take your video off and attach it into your tweet and then you can get even better performance out of it. Thanks, Greg. You give me all the best ideas. So I'm a correspondent for my friend's show and this is the same thing I just came up with for him because I talk about entrepreneurship. So I was like, I'm just gonna make a list of 50 things and I'm just gonna literally just blab off, you know, 30 second videos for each one or minute long videos riffing on each of those little ideas. Right, right. Just catch up with some of these comments. Paul's saying that that's a link thing with them. Doc does work on the iPad. Eileen had the same issue and also the, oh, her.live link isn't working and my link works with HTTP and not HTTPS. That's interesting you say that Eileen because before the link that I have down here because I got my.live and so I last few weeks, I've always had takeonetech.live slash join and then it was actually Michael from the UK in the chat. He tried the link and it was getting blocked by his, yeah, and that was because of the HTTPS didn't work. So, in general, everyone should just use HTTPS. Don't even bother using HTTPS. Yeah, so, all right. Oh, so you've tried, so Matt's tried Zellis but did a trial of Zellis. Oh, I see, he couldn't join your stream but he's done a trial of Zellis. Yeah, he couldn't join that one, yeah. Yeah, I made that video into my demo video now for investors, so. Yeah, well, it's a great demo, isn't it? Well, next week we'll be even better because the quality will be more improved. Right, right. He does, doesn't he? Greg always has great tips. List, they work, look at Buzzfeed. They built a whole business on list, right? Totally, yeah. Well, not my ideas. I think if you just make a good list and your brain knows these things, it's when you try to find a good idea that you're gonna have a harder time. If you just like make a list, you can make a list really fast. Yes, yeah, yeah. Like, but the second you're trying to find a tweet, forget it, it's gonna be like work, right? Yeah, yeah. But just pick a context and just give yourself like, all right, list 10 things you didn't know about ECAM, right, and boom, like you're done. You'll have 10 in five seconds. Yeah, that is a great idea for the shorts as well. So yeah, I've got my shorts YouTube channel, but I've not done any more with that, but I plan to get that up. Yeah, well, and also you get that little record button on the stream deck, so it's super easy. Record, stop, record, stop, right? Yeah, yeah. Cool, so who have you got lined up in terms of guests on your thing coming up? We are booked through December 15th is our next opening. Yeah, so next week we have a guy named Justin Moore. He's the creator wizard, so he's gonna be on the show with another VC, a venture capitalist that I used to work with. Then I think we have my friend, Goldie Chan, sorry. She's gonna be on the week after that. We've got a number of people coming. Yeah, our guest list, we've been very good at getting that part done. Like we filled it up all the way through. Let me just see who else I have coming up. We get a lot of founders, so yeah, we have Goldie, then we have Joe Hurricane from Issue. We've got Amber Case from Unlock Protocol, which is like a blockchain membership thing. We've got Peter Shankman, a very well-known famous PR person, John Allen from Lava Social. We have Mr. Tom Buck on November 10th. You know you've made it when Tom comes on your stream. Yeah, and then Paul Bacchus, such as another guy, Google web creators. He'll be on November 17th. Then we have a week off for Thanksgiving. Then we have a week off for my anniversary. Then we're back with Jen Lee from the Means of Creation Discord. And then one last holiday thing, I think on the 15th. Right, right. So are you gonna do those all going forward with Zellis and having the Q&A and stuff like that as well? That's the goal, the goal, because so the way we used to do our show was that we would have the main show record and then we would stop and switch to Zellis for the after show. But you lose people in that transition. Yeah. And also some folks can do it. And also it doesn't speak to how I think a good live stream goes. I think you just demonstrated bringing voices in and getting the questions into it and being dynamic, I think is ultimately like, otherwise you may as well just play a video, right? Like what's the point of being here if you can't react to the audience and what's going on? So that's why I think Zellis is just more powerful because you probably didn't get to see this, but on the Zellis pages that we create for the event, there's a question block that you can add to every page. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, so ahead of time, like half those questions were actually already asked before we got in. Yeah. And so then when I'm looking in the admin, I can see all the questions that have already come in plus people can ask questions in real time. So you know how Doc does Q in front? You don't need to do that. We have a tab for it to type the question in and it'll just show up if there's a question. But what's cool is it shows presence. So it'll be like, Oh, Alec asked this question and he's here right now. So I can ping you and bring you on stage to ask your question. Yes, yeah, got you. Yeah, that's great. Eileen's got a guest request. Can you get the host, the creator? I would love to get the creator upload folks on. I will, how about this? I will reach out to them. I listen to their show. I love their content. I love the way they, I aspire to be as polished as they are in their repertoire. I did the show today by myself actually because Ken was feeling sick. So that's why I was able to produce it all. And I did it in 30 minutes and we covered like 10 news stories. So I think it was good. But yeah, I'd love to get them, the creator upload folks on. It is interesting, by the way. I have another tip for everyone out there. The more you put this content out there, the more you get invited to other things. I get invited to like three other podcasts to come talk about stuff. Also from my tweet storm. So that's why I also recommend and you put your 100 tips out there so that other people will find it. And then all 17 of my followers will be banging in my door. I will retweet all of yours. I have like 8,000 followers on Twitter. If I can use that to help you grow, I will. I will. Eileen says it, Lauren from Jelly Smack. I've never heard of that. What is that? Oh, okay. Do you know what that is? There's so many, the C is infinite in this space. There's so many great people that we haven't even had time to... I only promised only one guest to use. Have you heard of Jelly Smack? What is that? Yeah.  It's a tool. Yeah. Ah, cool, cool. What for video is that? I believe it's for video, yeah. I see. Jelly smack helps video creators and brands grow their audience and maximise their revenue across social platforms. Ah, never heard of it. I'll give it a look. I'm obviously out of the loop. Oh, do you see that one from Matt, by the way? Greg, recommendation, send an automatic reminder before the show. I thought you mentioned that. We do, we may not. I will check, but yes, we already have your email. And so we already mailed out a calendar invite. So every time you set up a new event, you'll automatically get an email with the iCal invite in it, basically. So it'll go into your calendar. We do need to do a reminder. Yes, I only make sure we get that in. Jelly smack is like an agency, I get you. So they actually do it. Global creators themselves, yeah.  So what have you got coming up for the week ahead, both of you? I try to survive tomorrow. Try to survive tomorrow, yeah, I'll get you a hundred mile bike ride and then nothing for six days. Yeah. Matt, we may not have sent the reminder email. I will make a note of it, though, to make sure we do it. And how about you, Michael? Oh, sorry, I'm to try and do my first live stream on YouTube. And but I wanted to know, what is the YouTube site for your shorts? For mine is Take One Tech Shorts, but I haven't actually it hasn't got its own name, so it's like a URL link. But I'll I've literally just created the account and added some stuff in like the graphics and things like that. But I've not actually posted any yet. So I'll I'll send you a link as soon as I do, though. OK, how many how many people do you need to before you can rename it? I can't remember, actually. I always thought that it was a higher number than it was. But then just one day I went in and I thought, oh, I can just do it. So I don't know. I don't know if it's about the amount of time because I know you, Michael, you've got Wrinkle City like from before you had subscribers as such, because you just had that I think it might be to do with the amount of time you've had the the the account perhaps. Not sure. I don't know. Definitely just definitely just go in and have a little look. And that is basically in where is it? Customization in the YouTube and then in branding, not branding tab. It's in our basic info. And so there's a channel URL and then there's also a custom URL. And that that custom URL just appeared for me at some point. And it wasn't there when I set up the channel, but then it just. Where is that? Where do you go? Into customization. Let me just come over to this one. It's going to work. YouTube. Let me see if I can. I'm in YouTube studio. Then down on the left hand side in the customization. Oh, yeah. And then in basic info. It starts with this channel URL, which you can't actually edit. But then down beneath that, this one just sort of appeared for me, this custom URL. But yeah, I'm not sure of the criteria for you to actually be able to do that. It wasn't in there when I started. Yeah. I can't change mine yet. Right. Right. Let's see. Because like I say, Michael, you've got your own custom URL. So I don't know. A hundred subscribers. Yeah, but Michael's not got a hundred. And yet he's got no city. So I don't know how that happened. It says, to create a custom URL for your channel, your account needs to have 100 or more subscribers be at least 30 days old, have uploaded a profile picture, have uploaded a banner image. And check if you're claimed a URL in your basic info settings. Right. Right. You must have just got. Oh, there is also a legacy username URL, maybe, but. Ah, that might be it. If you'd had it a while ago, perhaps. Your legacy, Michael. Yeah, I've been around a while. I think we're at 76 or so. So we're probably, we're getting close to 100. Getting close. I'll, I'll go and subscribe on my other, my other YouTube accounts. Please. Yeah. I've got like technically, I suppose it's technically five, because I've got, you could like sign on the YouTube shorts channel. Time to take one tech sign with mine. And then I've got another like set of YouTube accounts as well. So. You're right. On my dropdown, when I switch account, I've got one, two, three, five, six, seven, eight, nine. I got 10. Right. Right. Go and subscribe to all of those. And then there you go. Oh, hello. I've just got to say hello to Todd. Just popped in Christmas Clutter. I love this idea for a YouTube channel, by the way. So Todd's channel is all just about Christmas stuff, but it's all year round. So it's like Christmas all year round. What more do you want? That's saying five o'clock. It's gotta be Christmas somewhere. That's right. Cool. Ah, that's interesting. Was Michael's a personal, not a branded account? Does that make a difference? Do you can do streaming through your personal account also? Yes. Right. So perhaps that's what it is then, maybe. Or if you had Google Plus. It's just so complicated, isn't it? There's lots of ways around it. I still haven't got to the bottom of that thing and on my stream last week, by the way, where my YouTube shorts has got some different options in terms of when it's talking about the, in the settings I showed on the, where was it, the channel settings and then the feature eligibility. So the feature eligibility on this one basically has just got these two things, default features and feature that require phone verification. So I've only got these two things. But if I go into my shorts channel, then it's got basically, where is it? This one. It's got different settings. So in here, in the settings, and then in the channel, feature eligibility. Oh, this one's changed. That's interesting. When I did my live stream last week or the week before, this one had three different options in it and it said basic, intermediate and advanced. So that solved that problem. I wonder why that was then. It just had a completely different set of features in here when I looked at it on my live stream that time. You know what I wish you could do is make embedding and enabled by default, which you cannot. Well, that is what it said. So on my YouTube shorts, this was the reason why I raised it on my stream two weeks ago or last week or whatever, because in that one, in the advanced features, which it said I had access to, if I submitted a photo of my ID, basically, which I did, it said that you would then be allowed to embed on like a website or whatever for lives. So you can embed lives on a website. And that was the difference. That was the advanced feature. But having just gone into it now, it's gone. So, yeah, interesting. All right, gentlemen. I'm going to start carb loading for tomorrow. Yeah. Good luck with it. I'll be thinking about you. I'll be there with you in spirit. I'll share a picture at some point tomorrow. So everyone have a wonderful weekend, and we will see you soon, I'm sure. Always a pleasure. Michael, great to meet you. Great to see you, Greg. Cool stuff. Bye-bye. Yeah, I think it's about time for me to get ready to get my little son. I heard the little pitter-patter of footsteps upstairs, or rather the big bang of him jumping down the stairs. So I'm going to wrap it up as well. But it's really great to speak to you, Michael, because I always enjoy our videos back and forth, but it's great to actually be able to properly chat. Yeah, it is for me, too. Yeah, I really enjoy it. Can you answer one quick question? Of course I can. I'm watching the screen and my video on the screen is way behind what I'm doing. That will be the delay thing that Doc was talking about. So your thing is coming all the way back to me and then back to you again. So there will be that delay. You're perhaps seeing the delay of the feed. When you say what you're watching on the screen, do you mean in the ECAM window where you've logged into this? Or you mean on the YouTube? You're live where I see you and I and... Right, right. But it's not lagged on your end? No, no, no, it's fine. I'm hearing your responses straight away, so I think that's just... Right now I'm putting up one finger and taking it down, but on my screen, my finger was down before it went up on the picture. Ah, right, right. I think I've had that before on other people's streams as well. So I think that's just the fact that it's coming here first and then it's being returned back. It's that sort of lag thing. And also when I look at the comments, I don't have any way of responding to some of them when we're live like this. I can't type a comment. Yeah, it would have to be in the... You'd have to do it actually in a separate browser in YouTube. Now, normally if you stream to one place, then you get the little comment reply box on Ecamm Live. So for me as the host, like if I was just streaming to YouTube, I'd be able to drop a reply into the comments. But when you're going to restream, it sort of takes that box away because you wouldn't want to be just replying to comments where there wasn't any context to it necessarily. Obviously people are on the stream, but it would have to then post those comments in all different places. So it seems that when you use restream, so if I wanted to type something in the chat, I'd have to have the YouTube window open or whichever window it was to do that. Okay, well, thanks so much for having me on. I really enjoyed being on with you. Anytime, Michael, anytime. Okay, and I hope I didn't take up somebody's space. Oh, look at this. Look how prepared I am. If there'd been four people, I've got four. Oh, okay. If there'd been more, look at this. I've even got that one ready. I am fully prepared. Oh, all right. Fine. I didn't realize because... What day was your stream, by the way? Just so that I know. I'll send you an email and let you know and I'll post it in the VIP group. Brilliant. I'm not sure yet. I have to get all my stuff together and give it a run. Yeah, sure, sure. Okay. Great stuff. Take care, Alex. Thanks very much, Michael. I'll see you again soon. Okay, bye-bye. Right. I'll just say hello to Noel from Puerto Rico. It's great to see you. That's one thing I've loved about this whole YouTube thing, by the way. It's just the fact of being connected. You know, we've got people all over the place. There's me here, people in the UK on the stream and now Puerto Rico as well and the US, obviously. And it's just like a global community, isn't it?  I absolutely love it. So yeah, it's been great to see you all today on here and some familiar faces and some new ones as well.  I will get around to it. I'll say this. I've said this for the past five live streams that I'll get around to at some point making a proper ending for just a live stream. But in the meantime, I'm just going to go to my usual YouTube end screen. So thanks again, everyone. I hope you all have an absolutely wonderful day and I'll see you all again very soon. Have a great day. Bye-bye.