One thing that's clear to everyone who sees this wonderful DVD, these four very experienced men have described wonderfully well what peace could bring and why it's needed. And they all agree that it is the U.S.'s job to see that it happens and it could happen sooner rather than later with the right kind of American leadership. That's the theme of the whole affair. But it's always easier for big shots to talk about big ideas than little shots to talk about the details. So we're going to go after a few of the details. But first, the first question. President Carter says early on in answer to Landrum's question that he's never lost faith in the probability or the inevitability of peace. Do you all agree, Jonathan? I agree. But again, as you say, the devil is in the details. I think there is always a good chance to move forward to that final agreement, but a lot needs to be done before we reach that agreement. I should have bounded the question this way. Do you agree that peace is inevitable within the next two decades? I don't. Thank you. Ziyan? I do. I think that no conflict or war goes on forever. Even the 100 years of war lasted for 100 years only. And I think there is only one solution for this problem. The others are continuation of the conflict in other means. That one solution is a two-state solution that I believe everybody was talking about. There is by now an international consensus about this. And in 20 years it's achievable. In 20 years I would put it at the outer end, that 20-year window. Tony? I do agree. I think that as all of the, as you say, quote-unquote, big shots commented, we now have a president with bold ideas and new leadership. And he has made it absolutely clear this is a priority in his administration. And he has made it not only a priority, he is acting on that priority. I believe that as Secretary Baker commented, and we all know, the polling data also indicates that the body politic supports. So you think it's possible? I think it's possible. In 20 years or less? I think within less. It has to be possible. Okay. Now a few of the specifics for the other three questions. It's interesting, I think, to any of us who follow these issues, that all four of them argued we have to talk to everybody, including Hamas. Baker put it this way. You need to at least find a construct for the voices of Hamas, which means, I guess, you need to work through intermediaries. But they all essentially argued you cannot resolve the conflict without really engaging Hamas in a reunification. Jonathan, what do you think about that? I think that that is essentially true, but I think another step needs to be taken first. One of the things that I talk about in my book is the fact that the Palestinians are engaged in a brutal civil war at this time. They've been engaged in this war since June of 2007. Hamas and Fatah each control one territory. Hamas controls Gaza. Fatah controls the West Bank.  We don't know who actually speaks for the Palestinians. The Israelis don't have an interlocutor. I think engaging Hamas is probably important insofar as we need to get the Palestinians all on the same page. There needs to be a unified Palestinian leadership. And then at that point, I think we can get back to the negotiating table. But this is one of the main reasons why I'm pessimistic. Both of the Palestinian factions seem to be entrenched right now in their own territories. And there does not seem to be a very good chance, at least at this point, of moving forward towards a unified Palestinian national identity, if you will. But should the U.S. directly engage Hamas? No. In my opinion, I think the U.S. should do what it's doing now, which is to ask Egypt or the Arab League or the Saudis or the Yemenis, the Mauritanians. The list goes on, but we've been working with a number of Arab governments to try to get the Palestinians to come together to create a unity government. And that really stems from U.S. policy dating back towards the time of Richard Nixon, where the United States does not engage with terrorist organizations. So we're getting others to try to work out a Palestinian unity deal. If and when that happens, and Hamas is part of a unity government that accepts the existence of the State of Israel, does not call it the Zionist entity, does not seek its destruction through some factions and engages with others, then I think we are, you know, at least on the right path to a negotiated peace agreement. Ziyan, what do you think about that? Well, I think everybody is talking to everybody all the time. There is no lacking in communication. I think right now officially it is understood that the Egyptians are talking on behalf of the Israelis with Hamas and vice versa, for instance. The same messages are being carried. I think the question is should the United States talk directly to Hamas and publicly? And I think here is a construct that I thought that Secretary Baker came up with that would answer that question satisfactorily. There has to be a construct that is acceptable precisely like the one that was formulated for the discussions with the PLO 20 decades ago in order to get into this. What is very bothersome about the present situation is the back-to-the-no Palestinian partner, Canard. That is a disaster. You know, you make the Palestinian leadership week and you turn around and you call them two weeks to deliver. You also have a divided situation and you say, we cannot get to talk to anybody till that situation is fixed. You have to have a unity government. The problem with the unity government, if I just might take, the problem with the unity government is the following. The Palestinians are put in a position either they do unity government and then the United States and Israel stop talking to them and delivering policy and money, or they do not form a unity government, in which case the Arabs including the Egyptians and the Saudis and others will not deliver anything to them. So it's done if you do and done if you don't. Ziad has put his finger on a point I think does deserve looking at. I don't quite agree, Jonathan, that we've been encouraging a unity government through all sorts of other channels. We and the Israelis have both taken the position publicly. No unity government until they meet three very rigid conditions. And I don't think you can say, we've been encouraging up to this point even indirectly. Tony, wait just a minute, let's take Tony a chance. Sam, I agree with you. I also think it's important to reflect on the fact that Hamas is not a monolith and you've got a multiplicity of voices within the Hamas factions. And so when you speak of Hamas, who are we reaching out to? I think that the concept of trying to create a political construct is very important and we, as Ziad references, we are talking through intermediaries with Hamas. I think it's important also, and I'd like us to probe on this issue of partner, we need to be much more practical as we move in these next steps taking into account the very robust, proactive nature of U.S. leadership at the moment. And we need to look at the practicalities on the ground and play out in a very clear timeline what needs to happen on the ground and get into this issue of Palestinian partner. Okay, but you would not talk directly to Hamas now either. Not at this point, no I would not. Thirty seconds. Well, just to address your point, the United States has been actively working with Egypt to help create a unity government. And it's not as if Israel and the United States don't want to see a unity government. They're actually, I would say, both governments have tried to step back to not exacerbate the problems that have essentially come to characterize the Hamas-Fatah conflict. Not wanting to engage directly has been a wise thing to have the United States step in and try to say, well, this is what a unity government should look like, would be rejected by the Palestinians outright. So the U.S. has been taking a hands-off approach, asking other Arab leaders to step in to try to create this unity government. So I think it's an unfair characterization to say that we're not trying to get there. I think we very much are, but understand the trickiness involved in reaching that point. Okay, well, we can debate that off camera sometime a little bit. Tony, you get the second question. Brent Scowcroft among actually all of them, one way or another, indicated they think everybody knows what the outcome is going to be. It's all been discussed in the Taba Accords at the end of the Clinton administration. They reached essentially agreement on the four major problems. First, the Taba Accords were never either authorized or accepted, but nonetheless. Is the Palestinian-Israeli deal that people say we all know what it is, all we have to do is get leaders who will be courageous and sign it, and that you hear on all fronts, not just from these four gentlemen. Is that really the case? Is the deal really so easily translated into just a leadership signature problem? Interesting question. I think it is more than not. And the reality, we are all working around the margins of what Brent refers to in terms of Taba. It's how you go about negotiating those details of the June 467 borders, the land swaps, how you deal with settlement blocks, which settlements, how you create compensation packages and the sequencing. Your question also only speaks to the issue of the Israeli-Palestinian deal. The reality is, if you're looking at a more comprehensive nature with introducing Syria and Lebanon, you've got a lot more flexibility and influence because you are also getting to the heart of some, what I call, deposits that might be effective when you discuss the issue of Syria's influence with regard to terror. Let me drill down a little bit more on what you said, though. You didn't mention Jerusalem. The deal on Jerusalem, something everybody understands and is ready to swallow? That is a little more nebulous. I think that yes, but is what I would say. It needs a little bit more education, but I would like to reference the Arab Peace Initiative in bringing Saudi Arabia into the mix, makes a Jerusalem deal, and the details on Jerusalem that much easier for a Palestinian-Israeli agreement. Jonathan, how about Jerusalem? Do you think the Israelis are understanding what the deal is and are ready to sign it if they just had a strong leader? Well, I think there was what Ehud Barak put forward at Camp David II in Ataba, and then, of course, we have a new Prime Minister in Israel right now who may or may not be as willing to see territory within Jerusalem. But broadly speaking, looking at what was on the table at Camp David II in Ataba, we know how that ended, and the Palestinians flatly rejected the offer without a counter-offer, and this is something that has been attested to by the likes of Dennis Ross and Martin Indyk and President Clinton. So we know that the Palestinians were not eager to engage in this sort of package deal, the same one that we heard about during this discussion during this DVD, and now things have actually gotten much more complex. You had Hamas actually win an election in January of 2006, testing to the fact that the Palestinians overwhelmingly support an organization that made its name through suicide bombings and attacks against Israeli civilians, and then add to that the question of Palestinian leadership. I know it's an uncomfortable question, Ziad, but it is one that needs to be dealt with, the fact that we still don't know who would actually sign that agreement. My argument is that even if Israel tomorrow decided that it wanted to cede every settlement in the West Bank, remove all the strictures around the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, hand over every part of Jerusalem, and even allow a nominal number of Palestinian refugees to live inside Israel proper, there would be nobody on the other side to ratify that agreement. In other words, if Fatah got involved and signed that agreement, Hamas would reject it outright, and there is no way that Hamas would accept it. Whereas you would argue that there is an Israeli leader who would sign that same agreement? I'm not saying that they would sign the exact agreement that we saw back in Tava and Camp David, but if any agreement was to be made, at least we would know who would sign it on the Israeli side. We all know where Netanyahu's, well, at least we think where Netanyahu stands on some of these issues, and I'm not expecting him to run back to the negotiating table, but if there was an agreement to be made, and if compromises were to be struck, at least we know who would sign it on the Israeli side. Sam, I have two points. Can I get two fingers? Because I won Ziyad, and I know he will offer just quickly on Camp David. I too was at Camp David. It was not that simple. We did not do some of our homework as well. And on Jerusalem, Ehud Barak tabled a number of proposals. We didn't know, going into Camp David, where the Israelis were going to be on the issue of proposals on Jerusalem. So we couldn't even engage the other interested parties. So some of that, I'm not absolving the Palestinians of their willingness to embrace right then and there, but we didn't do enough preparation either, so it wasn't that simple. Ziyad, you're on the phone. So many points have been raised. Pick out the easy one. Jerusalem, of course. No, Jerusalem, yeah, it should be shared. And at some point in time, people will come to that conclusion because of so many complications. On the issue of the status quo, the status quo has steadily been a declining curve. 40 years ago, we had 16,000 settlers or so. Now we have almost half a million, 450,000. And that is why the question of freezing the settlements is so crucial.  It just cannot be done. So that is why it's significant. It also is significant because of the issue of the credibility of the people who are actually negotiating. Now, who would negotiate? I think it's very clear the PLO would negotiate as long as it is actually the one that is authorized to negotiate. And Abu Mazin is the one who's the head of the PLO, whether he is the head of the PA authority or not. The PA is the creature of the PLO. So it is possible to negotiate, and it is also very important to know at some point in time that Palestinians will subject that agreement that they come up with to a referendum. The Palestinians between now and then, when that negotiation is concluded, have to go through elections. So that reflects on the Hamas issue. Hamas is an un-state actor. The settlers are a non-state actor, too. In part, they also do some state business, but they are also a non-state actor. I haven't heard too many people talking about the settlers external to Israel and say, should we negotiate with them a deal? So these issues have to be worked out seriously, not without the question of the Jerusalem component to this, whether there's an agreement to it or not. Well, Jerusalem is beyond the Israelis and the Palestinians. It's just bigger than these two people. There is a whole world of religious people globally who would be interested in that solution. And no one can stand with an exclusive commitment to run Jerusalem. That is why if the Israelis make a religious claim on Jerusalem and the West Bank, they should not be surprised if others will make a counter-religious claim. And that will be a non-solution. So we're talking about a solution. Let me just point this point that the essence of my question on Jerusalem is, has anybody actually come up with a solution that would work? Now there is a non-governmental organization designing a formula, quite an interesting formula for the old city. But it's non-governmental. It's a good idea. Maybe someday it'll be part of the deal. The Clinton parameters at the end of the Clinton administration describe the Jerusalem in which Israel has sovereignty in Jewish areas. Palestinians have sovereignty in Palestinian areas. And they left kind of vague what happens in the middle. But the point is, if you look at Jerusalem today, you cannot imagine dividing East Jerusalem that way because there are large enclaves of Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem. You can't have separate police forces interacting. So the formula for Jerusalem isn't there at this stage that would be viable. And so that's a lot of negotiating to do. That's really my point. It's not something that is awaiting only decisions by governments. There are three levels for Jerusalem. Every one of them is very relevant. One is the political arrangement. Two is the municipal arrangement. Three is the religious arrangement. All of these have to be genuinely negotiated. But the principle has to be established. And I think this is where there cannot be a serious disagreement on part of people who want to negotiate that they will have an exclusive ownership of Jerusalem. Nothing will continue beyond that. It's Sam to drill down on the Jerusalem. Wait a minute. Let me give Jonathan a chance. Do you want to comment on this last one? Well, yeah. And I think Ziad has an excellent point. I mean, there are those three levels, and they're going to be exceedingly difficult to reach an agreement, I would say on each one of them. I think that there are no easy solutions. But what it comes down to in my mind is that, you know, if you're dealing with people who truly want peace, you begin to make compromises. And I don't know if we're really there yet. I mean, I think we're looking at several entrenched positions and not really moving towards the center and anything. And that was, you know, if you were there, then you'd know. But, you know, that was not the atmosphere. This is our red line. We're not stepping past that. And that's been the problem with Jerusalem all along. And there's a reason why you deal with Jerusalem last. It's the hardest question, and it will always be the hardest question. It evokes tremendous emotion. And, you know, I wouldn't expect it to be any different the next time around whenever that happens. I think on Jerusalem, and Sam, your points well taken in terms of the details. But in the intervening years, post Camp David, and you referenced the Windsor study, a lot of work is being done on different models. Those are going to be referenced by the negotiators. And, but I think Ziad and Jonathan's absolutely correct. If you have a political will, then there's more willingness. And you've got a recognition of the parties will come together to deal with these details. On the municipal level, that's the day-to-day. And if you go back to where we were, unfortunately, in the last eight years, we got away from the trilateral arrangements that we had in the Clinton administration. What was effective in those trilateral arrangements, we had Americans, Israelis, and Palestinians working in a number of different venues all the time. They became very used to working through issues constantly. Now that needs to be reinvented again and to start drilling down into those details. There is, there... Negotiators tend to get very heavily engaged in the political side of this issue. You're absolutely right. But as somebody has already pointed out, the religious issue has become more and more and more central over the last decades. Interfaith talks, everybody's in favor of. Some take place. But the basic formula for persuading Israelis that their religious centrality of the western wall and the old city, particularly the western wall, is something that can be negotiated about or that the al-Aqsa mosque and Who Runs It is a negotiating issue rather than an issue of religious sovereignty.  All of these things are really central to reaching a final Jerusalem formula. And I don't think we've ever found a way well to mesh our political negotiations, style and approaches any of us with the religious side of the problem. Does that make sense to you, Walt? Yeah, sure. I think the issue of religion can possibly be handled on this earth in the following fashion. You're entitled to your religion and you're entitled to your beliefs whatever it is that you think of land and space and metaphysical things. But here we have to deal with specifics and practicalities. So you can always have the faith that you want about the attachment to the land but you cannot apply it your way exclusive of other people's metaphysical affiliations. Well, there's one last question that's supposed to go to Ziad. I'm still ready. This is easy, Ziad. I think you can handle this. You noted that all four of our speakers in the DVD essentially agreed with Spig and Brent. Spig made the point first. Brent seconded it. I think both Carter and Baker basically agreed. What's lacking in even the current Obama much more energetic interventionist approach is a clear statement by the American president that these are the key principles on which we believe and it's our policy to see they come about, we can get a deal. Not every detail, but a lot of detail. A lot of principles that get to the heart of all of the arguments. Now, if the American president, the current one, by some miracle made a speech like that in the next month or two and there's been talk in the administration about trying to do something of this kind and they're still arguing, I think, how forward-leaning they should be on laying down principles instead of waiting to make bridging proposals once you get into negotiations. That's been our traditional approach. Were he to do it? Would everybody, all these 52 countries that are mentioned, the Europeans, all the Arabs, Palestinians, would everybody fall in line because of the prestige of the American position and the power of the American dictum? What do you think? No, there is no such thing. I mean, there is no such thing that the United States in a position to have some statement said whatever it is and then everybody would fall in line. But having said that, let me just say two things. One is the fact that solving this issue is a U.S. national issue. It is not, you know, it's fine, it's fine for the Palestinians and all these people in the Middle East but it is a national priority for the United States. This is the basis for the position for the United States president's speech that you're talking about. He's already said that. He's already said that and I think that is something to build on. The other is that the time will have to come and will come and it is going to come during the presidency of Mr. Obama. I do not agree with you on that. At some point in time. Where those principles will be laid down and they are close to whatever Taba was about. They're going to be close to whatever. Before that, I do not think this will be the beginning. I doubt that this will be the opening position of the United States president to say this is how it is. I think he will leave room for structures and institutions, et cetera. Essentially between the Palestinians and Israelis at first but with other players. He should do that. I think it is indispensable that the United States be ready to lay down those principles and bridge the gaps. That will carry so much authority when it is done properly with enough work internationally to line up the support for it including inside of Israel and inside of Palestine. What do you think, John? I think what we saw after Camp David and Taba was the president coming out and saying these are the principles upon which a peace agreement will have to be made and we had a rejection of that from the Palestinians. The president did not stand office to pursue it. That is true. That was to his detriment. I fully agree with the fact that you need to see engagement happen sooner. The fact is that the international community we are talking about how the world will respond. The international community left President Clinton in my opinion hanging. I don't believe that the international community rallied behind the president as he was leaving office and said we are going to keep pushing this ball forward. Things fell apart. The Intifada began and the international community essentially pulled back and let the Arab-Israeli conflict rage. This was a problem but I think it was demonstrative of how the international community particularly the Europeans and the Arab world are willing to let things go back to the status quo and it's unfortunate but I think it's essentially a fact now. You think they would still hang back at this point? I think and this is not something that I'm particularly pleased with. It falls on the shoulders of the United States to push these agreements forward and when they fail, the United States takes the brunt of it. I don't know how many of you read the statement made by the quartet in Trieste just last month. It's a rather extraordinarily forward leaning and agreed position. Russia, the European community, the UN and ourselves. We haven't gone beyond that but even that far is a pretty lively amount of unity about where one should go. Statements are wonderful. I'd like to see more engagement. Tony? I think that it's a question of timing when the President will... You think if he did it at the right time it would have the effect that they said it would have? And based upon very robust diplomatic engagement and preparation. Yes, it would have that impact but it would be based on timing and engagement. Let's say it has that impact on the world. Would it have that impact on the Israeli government and the Palestinian government? I suspect that when he takes that bold step he will have... The conditioning would have been done with both Israelis and Palestinians and it would be the right timing. Enough of the Senator Mitchell and his team would feel the timing was right to give that kind of boost. Would you get through this calendar year without doing it? That's a very interesting question. We know he's going to be pretty busy next year. I would look towards the end of this calendar year. This President does pretty bold and... Right after he passes the health reform plan. And remember, Sam, you just referenced health. The Congress is standing by him and they're willing to support him as he's going forward on the House and Senate and that's important. This political dynamic has changed. I feel a sense of restlessness to my left. So why don't we quit talking among ourselves? Paul, do you have anybody else?


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There may be some more Jumbos there We do have a super jumbo case on the site though You can work on that and probably get that in the books tonight We got poyu chen to 150 blue paper For the buckos. That's gonna be for mark beset Man rex rex still has his riders are working overtime for rex Imagine if you did a personal break of this and it was full of joe rock. It would be a box of rocks All right fair enough I would have quit with the kid rock joke, but You know rex's riders have to eat too And we've got a carson williams autograph Be for anthony and the tampa bay rays tbr First round pick and you've got a green auto coming up and the green auto is going to we're staying in florida It's cody morissette 64 Out of 99 going to darin porhouse steak and the fish Surf and turf There you go darin another henry davis We've got kai bush and chase petty Sounds like nascar drivers 92 out of 99 chase petty bowman draf knight insert That'll be for the twin that's going to go to John and the kai bush Kyle bush kurt bush kai bush Going to the halos that'll be for benet Uh, yes will you got this guy's autograph in the very first box Jack's got more man. This joe rock is really generating a lot of a lot of creativity here in the chat Jack b is saying regardless of gender male or female joe rock should name his firstborn sandy Sandy rock I think there's an opportunity for joe rocks kid kids name You know if joe rocks into history plymouth should be would be a good first name For joe rocks firstborn. All right. This represents another box right here these two stacks I've ever the song jackie by shanado conner You know in the cover by placebo for years, but never heard the original to this morning There's brooks gots. No, I have not rex Yellow lava to 75 I'm gonna I don't even know what the song that I couldn't even tell you what that song is Probably from the 90s You think you think plymouth is a name that would get That would get a that would get him beat up at school No, there's all sorts of wacky names these days. I feel like I don't know. I don't know kids these days. Maybe that is a Uh get beat up on the playground name I don't know David Beckham like his kids are named after places.  Everyone's gonna want to be their friends 116 saying you'd name joe rocks firstborn should be first name should be the so you'd be the rock Yeah, joe rock is definitely on the rockies, oliver. Oh, we're talking about their kid's first name rex Come on rex keep up Jack was saying plymouth could get beaten up a lot at school with a name like that but my argument is that if That if you're you could be named whatever you want If joe rock ends up being a great player You know, maybe those kids would get a pass with With unique names like that. There's garret mitchell to 199 Brewer's Raymond What are nolan ryan's kids names? All right, mike. See you have a good night Chonk where there it is. There's sam bachman. I'm pretty sure they black refractors are Are only in jumbo. I think someone mentioned that orange and black orange is a new black 58 out of 75 that's for the halos 9th overall pick that's gonna go to the last spot mojo benet and there's chi young lu 11 out of 50 gold paper for boston matthew shrough Ah oliver saying that he wouldn't get beat up at school. He'd be at the school of rock He owns it. There's dominant camel Mets armando with the mets Getting a lot of traction out of joe rock for the rockies There's jaden hill speaking of the orange 19 out of 25 for the rockies james And we got more rockies mccaid brown Gold wave 45 out of 50 Nice autograph for james There's joe rock 143 out of 499. There he is if joe rock Ends up being a closer He's got some options, right? He's a second round pick. He's six six Pretty tall guy So if he ends up being a closer Right a lefty closer. He's got some options You did do uh We will rock you rock you like a hurricane There's a lot of like a rock There's a lot of songs to rock in the title, right? jose torrez speckle And on to the last box Jack's thinking if he's the closer maybe his nickname would be the lock Out of 150 ruben ibarra reds mark beset be rock the lock Coming in to to lock down the safe. I I see you I get it Maybe if you close both ends of a doubleheader with the second appearance be the encore. Yeah Maybe if he was a closer He could use did did did the rock have i'm sure he did did the rock have like a specific intro song Back in back in the uh wwf days He must have right he could use that song Someone's saying he did There's endi rodriguez to 499 Maybe he would maybe he would encourage Maybe he would ask people if they could smell what the rock is cooking. Maybe he could just go And lift some old rock bits Bits from the joe rock and take bits from the rock Right, he would be the people's closer If he sucks rex is saying he could yeah, he becomes no name. Maybe joe croc But but we're rooting for him to do well and become yeah the rockness monster That could be good. He could have all sorts of nicknames There is logan henderson 107 out of 150 can't do anything with that name That's for the brewers out of leafa raymond and we've got a atomic refractor frank mozicato To 150 Right. Yeah, so yeah, the his clojo rocks if he becomes a close he is a pitcher So there's a chance he could be end up being a closer and if he does Right though if he used the rock intro music I'm sure if I heard it I I remember it.  You've got all sorts of things. Maybe he could do like a Like a no that was a stone cold stunner Maybe you can just drop the people's elbow from the mound or something like that. And we've got austin love. We love it steven loves it Because he's got the cardinals There's joe rock refractor He might have become our He might have become our our our favorite player in this in this set here I mean, I think he's got a may he's a second round pick. He's got to make it, right? number 75 prospect in the 2021 mlb draft according to mlb.com 11.9 strikeouts per nine innings He went to college. You might we might see him sooner rather than later Fired a no-hitter in a second start led the team wins whiffs and era Where'd he go? Ohio? Ohio State or Ohio University So we might we might see him We got joe mac return of the mac to 250 that'll be for darin and the fish Maybe he'd do the people's eyebrow Joe rock do that. There's brendan beck 19 out of 99 prints Yeah, joe rock not from uh Not from little rock unfortunately. He is from as Swickley pennsylvania something like that Sorry if I butchered that pennsylvania's still love you All right, that's our third and final autograph um Let's go through the stack see if there's anything else here We're gonna give away some break credit to the people who follow the instructions in this break And then we'll do an autograph recap And then we'll uh We'll go from there If you're watching live, there is super jumbo in the store. We've got time to get into that tonight All right, maybe a another refractor if somebody important got Diego Cartaya, Sean Burke And some paper to close things out And that is that my friends. Thank you Thank you for for rocking with me throughout this break. I appreciate that All right, so we're gonna do uh that recap in just a mow But first Let's go back to the team list And gather everybody's names. Well, let's go back to the product page as well I'm sure everyone read this you got to buy at least two teams to get one entry Just basically buy an even number of teams and half of those become entries So in order to do this let's uh alphabetize this list by your first names We got anthony with two teams. That's an entry Darren with two teams that's an entry EA two teams that's an entry John two teams that's an entry you out. I am out. All right. Thanks for your help Evan. Peace John guys, yeah, thank you. John with that Mark Bassett two teams one entry Marty two teams one entry Steven two teams one entry and will to not a lot of people getting the two entries This is actually really excellent odds here. Did I do this right? Yeah Anthony got Anthony Got Darren Got EA Got john a Got mark Got martin Got steven and will yeah, that's only eight names on this list right here. That's excellent odds Let's get some you let's get a new list Pop those names in there And it's the uh top five top five after Eight we'll get a hundred dollars of break credit each Good luck one two three four five six seven And good luck eighth and final time after a top five. Darren mark EA marty and will congrats john Anthony and steven my apologies But congrats again to mark or congrats again to Darren mark Eric marty and will Hundred bucks of break credit each go on your way check your emails. I'm joe for jasmiescasebreaks.com. Thanks for watching Thanks for breaking with us, and I'll see you next time for the next one No recap. Sorry not buh-bye I was like I knew I was no I was forgetting something recap Welcome to the recap Recap Nice Sal Freelick Joe rock rock in it Another south freelick autograph Some nice stuff here. We've got the five out of five joes. Jose Salas paper Henry davis autograph, and we started off with the louis rodriguez Auto the rare sticker auto here in uh bowman draft. Anyhow, thanks for watching now. I can go I'm joe for jasmiescasebreaks.com. I'll see you next time for the next break. Bye


Hi friends, welcome back to my channel and welcome back to another what I eat in a day to lose weight on WW freestyle. I cannot wait to share my meals with you today. I'm gonna show you my breakfast, my lunch, my dinner, some snacks and dessert, as well as a couple of fun halls, a little bit of my dogs, lots of good things coming your way.  Hi baby, are you with mommy when she's cooking? She likes our new rug that we got so that she can sit with me while I'm cooking. You're so cute, I love you. Yes I do babe. So here's what I'm gonna do for breakfast this morning. I'm not super hungry, so I'm gonna do something kind of on the light side save up my points for dinner, my dinner tonight's a little more points. So I have two slices of the nature's own butter bread. This is the bread right here, I really like this bread. The pieces are nice and thick, and you can have one slice for one point or two slices for three points. I added one egg, and I also added one slice of the Yarlsburg reduced fat Swiss cheese. You can have one slice of this cheese for only one smart point. And then I just sprayed my bread with a little bit of the I can't believe it's not butter spray. So I have a little breakfast sandwich here, and it is a total of four points. Three for the bread and one for the cheese. And then I have a little bowl of some delicious fresh strawberries for zero.  I wanted to share with you a quick little TJ Maxx haul. I actually went to look at some plates and things for my videos. And of course wanted to see if they had more of the dog treats. So here's what I picked up at TJ Maxx. So I found these wellness crunchy well bars. These are made with yogurt, apples and bananas. They're grain free, which my dogs have to be grain free and chicken free. So these have no chicken either. This is a huge bag of these for only 9.99. So these will definitely go over well in my family.  These are 100% dried sweet potatoes, so good for dogs. And I mentioned in my last video that it's $15 like it says here on Amazon and TJ Maxx, it's 9.99. So $5 off per bag. So I grabbed another bag. I also saw the skinny syrups in coconut. And that sounds delicious with my sugar-free chocolate powder, kind of a coconut mocha. So I picked up a bottle of that. Really good price, $3.99 for the skinny syrup. So I grabbed some coconut and I found this beautiful glass dish. And I thought this would be great in my videos. You can use it for salads. I just thought that it would be really nice to have. And it's kind of this bubble glass. It's actually really, really cool. So it was $6. You can't beat it. So I picked up this nice bowl for my videos. And then I've been liking these do-it-home nails. And these are only $4.99. And look at these, these are so pretty. So I'm gonna say this is a good fall color. And $5 for a nail set is really inexpensive. So that is everything that I grabbed at TJ Maxx. So here is what I'm having for my morning snack. It's a little before 10. I ate breakfast at a little before seven. So it is time for my mid-morning snack. This, of course, is the mint chocolate cream built bar. I love the built bars, as you know. I like this mint, but the mint brownie delight is so good. And by the way, the mint brownie delight and the mocha are now permanent flavors. The strawberry and the lemon are being discontinued for a short time. So make sure that you order those before they are gone. They're gonna be replaced in the sample box with the mint brownie delight and the mocha. So definitely order some built bars. Three smart points. This is 15 grams of protein, six grams of fiber. So it keeps me nice and full until it is lunchtime. So only three smart points. And these literally taste like a candy bar, you guys. So if you have not ordered built bar, go over to BuiltBar.com. You can use my link down in the description box. It will automatically apply a 10% discount and give you free shipping. So definitely check out Built Bar. In my opinion, a must-have, WW game changer. So this is my three smart point morning snack. Someone is out there sunbathing on the basketball court. It is hot today and she goes and lays on the hot concrete. She cracks me up because I just wanna point out that she has a dog bed right here in the shade that she could lay on. But instead, she heads on out to the basketball court. Well, good morning, buddy. Bubba, you wanna say hi to everyone? Diesel, say hi. No, you're tired. He's resting while I wash all our sheets on our bed. He literally has been in bed all morning. Oh, well, hello, you are alive and well. Hi, bud. My handsome boy here. So here is what I'm gonna be having for lunch today. So what I have here is a turkey, honey mustard, and cheese wrap. Look at how good this looks, you guys. Yum. So I'm gonna show you what's on my wrap. Again, it is honey mustard, cheese, turkey, and some lettuce. So my wrap is actually the Tomorrow's Premium White Wrap. These are only one smart point. You cannot beat that. They are delicious. I think I like them better than the Olay Wrap. I never thought, I would say that. But they are absolutely delicious. It even says one smart point when on the package. D, delicious. And then I have one serving of the Trader Joe's smoked turkey breast. This, of course, is zero smart points for one serving. This turkey breast is so good. It is actually like it's carved. It is, it's amazing. And then I have one wedge of the Creamy Swiss light laughing cow cheese. And then I have one teaspoon of French's Honey Mustard for zero smart points. So my wrap is one point for the tortilla, one point for the cheese. This is a two smart point wrap. And then I have one serving of Thinnables. This is the Italian cheese. These crackers are so good. You can buy these off the Netrition website. There is a link down in my description box. Click the link. It'll take you right to the website. 30 crackers, two smart points. And they are better than cheez-its. They are so good. So I'm going to have a serving of those. I have some blueberries here for my second fruit of the day. And then over here, I have my kind of new obsession. These are the oh snap. These are the dilly bites. These are just dill pickles. And they are so crunchy and so delicious and so zero points. So you can't beat that. So I'm going to have some pickles. And then for dessert, I am going to have one of my sweet nothings. This is actually the peanut cluster. It tastes just like a Snickers bar. One smart point. One smart point for chocolate. Who can complain about that? These are purchased off of the protein-wise website. Again, there's a link down in the description box that'll give you $10 off your first order.  So that is going to be my lunch for today. So it is two for the wrap, two for the crackers.  Oh wait, I forgot my sweet nothings. Two for the wrap, two for the crackers, one for the chocolate. This entire lunch is only five smart points. So I wanted to show you guys the big project we've been working on. So this has went down by half. We had twice this much bark. You can see the remnants over there. We have decided to re-bark our entire front yard and a portion of our backyard. So I'm gonna take you on a little tour. So what we have re-barked basically was this entire flower bed area. I'll show you what the old bark looked like, but we have spent the last two days barking our yard. It's been a lot of work. We also chopped down this cherry tree that we had. It was pretty much dead. We're gonna have a tree company come out and pull out the stump and we're gonna plant a new tree. So this is what the old bark used to look like. It's just really worn out and old and icky. So what we did, you can see the big difference here is we added fresh new bark. We just haven't quite finished, but we've done both sides of our walkway. And yeah, we are doing a lot of landscaping this year. We bought a couple of new bushes that we're gonna be planting. And then I'm gonna show you the big project. So we did most of this on Friday, but then, but then yesterday, Saturday, we did all of this area. Now, this area is huge, but look at how amazing it looks. I mean, we're talking two to three inches of bark, you guys. So shoveling the bark, spreading the bark. This tree here, we're gonna be taking down as well only because it is kind of on its last legs as well. So we'll have them pull that out and we're gonna plant a different tree there. But look at that. We did all of this. Isn't that crazy? So we spent the day barking our yard, but to be honest, it looks honestly a million times better. It is afternoon snack time. It is three p.m. and I just got done slaving away, cleaning my house. So I'm hungry and I'm gonna have one of my healthy eating all the time in go bars. This is the peanut butter protein. I'm gonna give you guys a good look at the macros because the macros on these bars are on point. You can see this particular one is six smart points. No preservatives. Here's your ingredients. Oats, peanut butter, and then of course what's in peanut butter, whey protein, sunflower, lectin, sunflower seeds, coconut, almond, raisins, honey and coconut flour. That's it. These bars are so incredibly filling and delicious. I know they're a little bit high in points, but it is worth it because they keep you full. They are literally a meal replacement. They are that incredibly good. They're only a little over 200 calories, which is not bad. I love these. The lady who owns this company is a sweetheart. I do have a link down in the description box.  This is not an affiliate link. I do not make any type of commission or anything, but I have to share these bars with you guys because in my opinion they are well worth the points because they are so satisfying and delicious. So this is gonna be my afternoon snack. I'm working on a big cup of water. So six points for this afternoon snack. So I wanna share with you guys a Ross haul. So you can see I've been doing a little shopping. There's been a few things that I've wanted to pick up household type of things. So I made my way to Ross and let me show you what I picked up. I wanna say everything I'm gonna show was $50. So first I got this new rug for my kitchen. I love it. It is gray and white. It is one of those textured, comfortable standing mats. And I love it. It's gonna go so well in my kitchen. And it was a whole whopping 9.99. Wipes off really easy. So really excited about that. I also found some of the Lakanto Maple Syrup. So this is the syrup made with monk fruit. And it is about the same amount of points as the store-bought syrup. But it's just better for you. Monk fruit is just a really good sweetener. And this was only 5.99, which is actually a really good price. And then I also found the Lakanto monk fruit sweetener for 4.49. I wanna say that when I ordered this online on Amazon, I think I paid at least $2 more for it. So I grabbed that since these two things are really good and a really good deal. And then I found these real simple organic pet wipes. I've been using these in Diesel's ears. He's been swimming a lot by the river. We have a river right in our backyard. And Diesel's been going down there and swimming a lot. So I always clean his ears. He's prone to ear infections. Labs have those ears that flop over. So they get those ear infections. So I thought I'd grab these. They have a pop top, which will be really nice. I can just have them on hand to clean his ears. And then I bought 3.0. I didn't take the price, 3.99 for those. And then I bought 3 of these glass jars. These were also 3.99 with a screw-on lid. I'm gonna just sell a little bit of pantry organizing. And I'm going to put my flour, my self-rising flour in my just regular white sugar in these jars. And I think it's gonna look really nice in my pantry. And it does have that nice screw-on lid so it'll preserve those ingredients as well. So picked up 3 of those. I'd have bought more if they had them, but they only have 3. And then I couldn't pass these up. These are the Daisy Fuentes, who'd have known she had her own knives. But these are her knives and they are so cute. I just love the pattern, love the color. It's always nice just to have some extra knives on hand. And these are really cute. So I thought they'd look nice in my videos. And by the way, still no luck on some really fun plates, but I'll keep looking. And then the last thing I picked up at Ross was this sharper image, old and icky. And I really like the look of this wood one. And it was only $5.99. Oh, these knives, $4.99. So what a bargain. So that's what I picked up at Ross. And again, it was about $50 or so for everything. For tonight's dinner, I am making a farmhouse chicken dinner. I can't wait for this. It is gonna be hearty, filling, delicious. So let me show you what is in our dinner tonight. So first, I'm gonna be using vegetable broth. The recipe actually calls for chicken, but I had this open in my fridge and I didn't wanna open a whole new container. So I'm just gonna go ahead and use veggie broth instead. Fat-free craft zesty Italian, flour, pepper, and parsley, baby carrots, any type of rice of your choosing. I'm gonna go ahead and do jasmine rice, chicken breast, and onion, and some fat-free cream cheese. So let's get started on our farmhouse chicken dinner. The first thing that we need to do to get started for tonight's dinner is in a bowl here, I added one quarter cup of flour and just some fresh ground pepper. And then I took my two breasts of chicken and just sliced them into smaller, thinner pieces.  And then we're just gonna set those aside. And we're gonna get our rice started and then we'll be ready to get our chicken baking in a pan as well. Rice going on the stove, so it's come to a boil. I'm gonna go ahead and reduce the heat a little bit and we're just gonna let our rice cook as usual. And then in another pan here, I have it warming up. And I'm going to add my one quarter cup of my fat-free zesty Italian dressing. I'm gonna let my pan get nice and warm and then we'll add in our chicken. So I've added my breasts of chicken to my Italian dressing. It's looking good. We're gonna let these cook down on both sides until our chicken is cooked completely through. Once your chicken starts to brown, we are gonna go ahead and add in one cup of our broth. So whether you do chicken or vegetable, we're also going to add in our diced up onion. And we're gonna put in two cups-ish of baby carrots. So I'm just gonna put a few anfils. Carrots are zero point, so we just want roughly two cups of carrots added to our dish. And then we're just gonna give this kind of a quick mix together and then we're gonna cover this and allow it to cook down until the carrots have softened. The onions are soft and our chicken is cooked through. Our rice is done. So I just have the lid on it, keeping it warm. Our chicken is coming along nicely. We just have to let it simmer here for about 20 minutes or so so that those carrots get cooked through. And then we're gonna make some sauce and our dinner is ready, so not bad. I've went ahead and added my rice to a large bowl, just kind of patted it down on the bottom. Here is our chicken and carrots. Oh, it looks so good. We are gonna remove these with a slotted spoon because we do want to reserve the liquid to add our cream cheese. We're gonna make a sauce here for our farmhouse chicken dinner, but this looks delicious. So I'm just going to use my slotted spoon and just spoon my chicken, carrots, and onion mixture here over my rice. And then I'll be back to show you guys the next step with the cream cheese, but doesn't this look absolutely delicious? Once you've removed your chicken mixture, we have a little bit of liquid here in the bottom of our pan, so I'm gonna add my four ounces of fat-free cream cheese. I'm going to let this kind of start to melt, and then we're gonna add in about another half of a cup of our veggie broth, our chicken broth. We're gonna let this cook down, allow it to simmer here on medium heat for about five minutes or so until our cream cheese is melted and our sauce has thickened up. Yummy. So I went ahead and kept my chicken and rice covered. Here is our sauce, yum. So we are literally going to just pour this over the top of our chicken and our carrots until it is all nice and covered. Oh my gosh, this looks so good, yum. And then we're gonna add just a little bit of pepper and some parsley, and I'll show you our completed dinner before we plate it up. And here is our completed farmhouse chicken. This looks absolutely delicious. So this entire bowl is only four servings. So I'm gonna go ahead and divide this up into four equal servings, plate it up, and I'll be back to show you the completed dinner and give you the smart points. So here is my completed dinner. So this is one fourth of the farmhouse chicken dinner, and one fourth is only seven smart points.  So this is only a seven smart point dinner. For dessert tonight, I am having a smart cake parfait. This is one of my very favorite desserts. So what is here in my parfait, of course, is a smart cake. So this is the size of the actual smart cake, and these are only one smart point. This particular one is the orange cream. I love this, it's very fresh for summer. So I have one of the orange cream smart cakes, and then I have some of my light and fit, non-fat toasted coconut vanilla yogurt, and I've layered that in my parfait as well, and then of course some fat free ready whip. So if you wanna pick up the smart cakes, you can order these on the Smart Baking Co website. If you use my code here on the screen, you will save 10% off of your order, and all of that is linked down in the description box below. You can't beat one smart point for a cake. So my parfait is two smart points for the yogurt, one for the cake, and one for the fat free ready whip, because I did add quite a bit to my parfait. So this is a total of four smart points. Thank you for joining me on another What I Eat in a Day on WW. I hope you enjoyed coming along with me on all of my meals throughout today, my hauls, seeing my dogs. It was an excellent day as always. I am so excited and ready for the challenge this next week, cannot wait. So if you're new to my channel, I'd like to say hello, make sure that you subscribe, hit that little notification bell, that way you'll be notified each and every time I upload. You don't wanna miss a video. Give this one a thumbs up, comment down below. Let me know what you thought of this, What I Eat in a Day, and this dinner recipe. It was delicious, and I'll see you guys all in the next one. Bye. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.


Welcome to the nonprofit show and happy Monday or I like to say happy Monday because Friday gets all the fun, but really Monday deserves some to you. So Julia Patrick and I are excited to have with us today. Victoria Beck and Victoria serves as general counsel regulatory compliance at easy ERC Victoria we met in Nashville and I'm so glad that we have you here for the show so excited for your conversation to bring to us today nonprofits and the employee retention credit or as we will probably refer to it ERC. So stay with us to hear more from Victoria. Julia Patrick hello to you hope you're having a fantastic day. Julia is the CEO of the American nonprofit Academy, and I'm Jared ransom your nonprofit nerd and CEO of the Raven group. We are honored to have the continued support whether we dress up or don't dress up for Halloween as we were just talking about from our amazing friends. Our goals and ghost as we might call them over at bloom rang American nonprofit Academy, your part time controller nonprofit thought leader fundraising Academy at National University. Also thank you to staffing boutique nonprofit nerd as well as nonprofit tech talk. These companies in fact most of them, I believe Julia have been with us for this entirety. Academy has been amazing 900 plus episodes and you can find all of them on these platforms so you can scan the QR code right now with your smartphone and download the nonprofit show app you can also still hear us on podcast, as well as broadcast platform so pretty much anywhere. If you stream and get your entertainment you can stream and listen to the nonprofit show, including our conversation right here right now with Victoria back this episode live so I'm so glad that many of you are joining us for this conversation, but it will go into the various topics that you can listen to it later on today. So welcome Victoria we are excited to have you for those watching and listening again. Victoria is general counsel and regulatory compliance at easy ERC welcome to you. Thank you Jared pleasure to be here. Yeah, well tell us a little bit about yourself a little bit about easy ERC and the nonprofit space. Sure. So, I'm an attorney been practicing for over 10 years, and I serve as general counsel at easy ERC. We focus on assisting nonprofits and for profit businesses with their filing of the employer retention credit. Wow, very important. Yeah, it's it's it's incredibly important and we were talking about this. Kind of before we got started about the employee retention credit, Jared brought up a really good point.  And could you kind of like walk us through what this is meant to do, and maybe like the life cycle of this program because it has it has never been done in our country before correct. So it was a similar program that was rolled out with the Katrina legislation, which was quite some time ago if you recall. But yeah, we can we can certainly get into it and just generally talk about you see the slide here what isn't the employer retention credit so the employer retention credit sometimes referred to as the employee retention tax credit is it's a credit it was a program that was rolled out back in March of 2020 as part of the cares act. It was to serve as sort of a reward for employers who kept employees on during the pandemic when they experienced either a decline in revenue or operational impacts.  The program expires for those on April 15 of 2024 so coming up, and then for the 2021 credits that expires April 15 of 2025. And the life cycle of the program so the eligible the quarters that you could be found eligible run from March 13 of 2020 through September 30 of 2021. Wow, that this is the first time I've heard a deadline. Yeah. Yeah. Also in relationship to the payroll quarters. I mean, the fun that's fascinating it makes sense right. But that helps a lot to kind of demystify why this is a rolling thing it's what I hear you saying it's not like a hard start and hard stop I mean ultimately will cycle through that period of time but it's going to go all the way with the last quarters will they will they be filed into 2025. The last date of file for the 2021 quarters will be that April 15 state in 2025. And will there be 2022 opportunities or did this just run through that the payrolls of 2021. That's right it runs through the end of quarter three of 2021. Okay, so that's really that window that we need to be looking at when we have this conversation. And you can sort of think of it as a sort of a rebate on the wages that you paid during the relevant quarters or during the quarters that you're eligible. And you know the credits issued as checks from the IRS and there's there are no parameters as to how you can apply those funds so you know for nonprofits it's really a wonderful opportunity to sort of inject some funding some cash back into their streaming and their services and just really have another opportunity to serve the communities that they work with. Yeah, so is it different the ease the I want to say the easy ERC is the ERC different for nonprofits as it is for the for profit agencies and I'm curious like, what are some of these nuances because as we have so many, you know, global listeners you know in the nonprofit sector I'm sure some of them are thinking, oh my gosh, I thought our time had passed I thought that I had let this slip by, but maybe we do want to take a look at this because, you know we have talked truly earlier with other guests talking about how donations have decreased, how volunteers have decreased. So maybe while nonprofits that didn't take advantage of the ERC earlier they're now thinking, maybe we should so how does this work within our sector in particular that we need to be aware of. So that's a great question because at our firm we've worked with many nonprofits it's one of our focuses and we hear a lot of misconceptions in the nonprofit sector about the ERC. And I would say the first and biggest one is that a lot of nonprofits think that they're just not eligible that the ERC doesn't apply to them it only applies to for profit businesses but that's not the case. The Harris Act explicitly states that 501C3s are eligible for the ERC, and they qualify in the same ways that a for profit business qualifies and I'll get we can get into that, perhaps a little bit later in the conversation about there's really two pretty clear routes to eligibility for nonprofit organizations and for profit businesses alike. So that's one big misconception I hear with nonprofits. There are also some hard and fast rules around the size. So, in order to qualify for the ERC for the 2020 quarters, you have to look at your full time employee count in 2019. And if it's under 100 employees, then you can qualify for the 2020 quarters and then the 2021 credit for that the threshold raises from 100 employees to 500 employees. So that's important to think about because a lot of nonprofits might think well I think maybe we're too big for the credit but you know those are those are the rules around that. And also a lot of nonprofits think that they might not qualify because they didn't have a revenue decline you know you mentioned giving a minute ago giving was actually not that hard hit during the pandemic which is actually a wonderful statistic when you think about it. And so you know oftentimes giving perhaps other grant funding came into play and affected revenues in such a way that it didn't really tell the story as to how nonprofits experienced impacts during the pandemic, when they may have been quite significant, but just looking at you know numbers on a sheet isn't isn't going to show it. Yeah, because there's not just the revenue decline Congress put in place this other subjective legal test that just talks about the changes the operational changes that nonprofits had to make. And that's one of the roots to eligibility for them. Well one of the things I shared with you in the green room was you know I was working with an organization they decided to go through and work with someone on an ERC kind of you know tax credit rebate or, you know what not, and then they decided no we're not going to go through with it and file it so what are you talking about timeline for this you know once someone maybe contacts you and your team. What does that timeline look like for the you know for it to become filed and then for that money to say yay or nay and here's here's what you're getting back what is the timeline for this. It really depends it can depend on the organization and how quickly they're able to get you know the relevant accounting documents payroll payroll information that sort of thing over to our team. And then it can it can move relatively quickly once they get it over to us but then of course you know what we find oftentimes that nonprofits are quite risk averse because you know you're beholden to your donors and also to you have a board of directors that has their own fiduciary responsibility so you know and sometimes we have nonprofits they have their own CPAs they have their own counsel and everybody really is really important that everybody comes together and gets comfortable before filing the credit so you know like I said once we get all the documentation that we need it can move relatively quickly but then it's really important that everybody signs off so sometimes we have to have additional meetings when it comes to nonprofits just because they're just more people that that really is to get their blessing before we get that credit filed. Victoria I'm curious if you can talk to us numbers and I don't want you to tell us what organization right but like what are some of the tax credit rebates whatnot that you've seen come through successfully. Good question. So yeah that's a great question because the credit sizes can really be quite significant and quite meaningful. You know I just one comes to mind I won't mention a name but it was a fantastic nonprofit organization we worked with in San Francisco that provided services to children and families they did child care. They provided services to children with disabilities and they had a big connection with schools and schools were quite restricted during the pandemic especially in California, further into the pandemic than some other states. So their operational changes and impacts were quite significant, and I believe it's escaping me now but it was, I believe is somewhere between three and $4 million is what they received in their credit. Yeah so I mean truly I just want to stress that if there's an organization listening that thinks they're eligible is just this is really something that's worth looking into at the very least. Right. Oh my gosh can you imagine like what would you do with three to four million and and that also tells me that's probably a larger operational budget anyway that they're a larger organization. But even for some smaller organizations you know like when we're looking at revenue and diversification of revenue. We need to take this time because Victoria you told us a deadline earlier and that is coming. I feel like it's going to be here soon so you have to take advantage. Yeah, absolutely. It's it's coming up quickly and like I said there's still a little more time for the 2021 credit and actually the majority of the credit does live in 2021. So that is that's a little heartening but you know that 2020 credit limit is certainly coming up quickly. And Victoria the process I've got to believe remains the same so if you get through it once and you understand like what you have to do and all that that you'll it'll be easier for everybody to navigate that next year. Correct. I mean. Yeah, I mean there's no restriction on when you can file for the 2021 credit necessarily don't have to wait until next year so so if you're finding yourself eligible and you want to file for the credit you would file for all of the credit of the quarters where you believe you're eligible 2020 and 2021 at the same time now so really it's just one exercise. And it should be. Yeah, so. And you know that like I mentioned before I think this might be an important time to discuss the two paths for eligibility and oftentimes the first pass is the significant decline in gross receipts that's a revenue financial statement based test. Oftentimes we find that nonprofits don't qualify under that test. You know just so the information is out there. We're looking at a 50% decline in gross receipts in for the 2020 quarters compared to your 2019 quarters and then a 20% decline in gross receipts for your 2021 quarters as compared to 2019. But if you didn't have that revenue decline. The other route because Congress I think understanding that you know revenues don't always tell the whole story right so they put this other route in place it's a it's a subjective legal test. And it really just has to do with the changes that nonprofits had to make to their operations to comply with governmental orders that were put in place by the governor so things that were mandating. Social distancing, you know capacity limitations restrictions on schools court closures. You know these are some we worked with nonprofits that do advocacy work. The court closures created a huge impact there.  You know oftentimes there was a big restriction there on how many individuals they could service just to make sure that they were complying with social distancing and capacity limitations. So if you can show that because of those impacts you experienced a 10% reduction in your ability to provide those services, then you would meet the legal test. Oh, that's surprisingly, not a lot. Yeah, I mean that's like shocking to me. Because if you think about anybody that had any congregate kind of environment like you if you were running an after school program or a, you know, dining hall. I mean, even a thrift shop. It just seems to me that you, you could easily find 10% of an impact. Yeah, certainly. And yeah, it's truly and oftentimes we look to find some metric that we can use to support that argument. So, you know, if, like you mentioned, if you could look at number of meals served, you could look at number of residents in your housing program, number of students served, something like that to really prove out that 10%. Because it is a little bit of an amorphous subjective idea, you know, 10% of your ability to provide services. But if you can show that and oftentimes nonprofits do track metrics like that sort of like a measure of progress. Then you have a pretty solid argument. Okay, I'm going to throw a curveball at you because we've been talking about this in the previous week. What I mean so many nonprofits had to completely suspend their volunteer programming. Could you factor that in when you, when you would say, look, you know, we used to take so many volunteers and volunteers are the backbone of our labor. And yet we had to push them away or discontinue some major functions. Could you factor that in as well? Yeah, absolutely. You could, you know, you would likely want to look at your number of volunteer hours in your pre-pandemic operations. So probably 2019. And then compare your volunteer hours during the relevant quarters during the pandemic to say, look, we had this way more than 10% decline in our volunteer hours. And it affected our operations in such a way, you know, because this is where I think the narrative part of the, you know, each organization's COVID story really comes into play and is really important to support their partial suspension argument. So, you know, when you're working with an advisor, it's really important that you make sure somebody is sitting down and taking the time to listen to your COVID story.  And volunteer hours are certainly very significant for many nonprofits. Great question, Julia. I'm curious too, do we need to show as many decrease of this 10% in like all of the categories? Or is that volunteer component enough? Or is it almost like the more decreases you can show to your operational impact, the greater the refund? So that's a great question, Jared. So actually, I mean, the more the better, of course, if you have as many supportive arguments as you can, it is going to be great to really establish that partial suspension. But the way that it's written and the IRS has submitted some guidance that that sort of supports this, what we can do is look at a more than nominal segment of your operations. And the IRS has defined that as at least 10% of your revenue or service hours has to be dedicated to this one segment. It's childcare. You know, if you can show that 15% of your employee service hours in 2019 quarters were dedicated to childcare, and you had an impact to that segment, and you had that 10% reduction in your ability to provide those childcare services, then that that sort of wraps up the argument and supports that partial suspension. Okay, well, thank you for that. I find this fascinating, but I also find it mystifying and you use the word advisor, and I want to spend the last amount of time that we have on this because I hear so many issues coming about that involve, you know, the legal aspect, the accounting compliance. And a lot of times I think nonprofits are like, well, we, we already do that because of grants and surely we can do this ourselves, right. So I'd love for you to talk to us, you know, put your legal hat back on and say, how, how does this work? And is this something we can do ourselves or should we really find that that Sherpa, if you will, to help us guide through the process. Yeah, so oftentimes we hear from nonprofits that, you know, they spoken with their accountant with their CPA and they told them that this is something they don't do. It's too much work. It's very, very specialized, very nuanced.  But when you're looking for an ERC advisor, you know, I would say, you know, Jared, I love non-profit nerd. I love that name. I would say look for the nerds, right? Look for a firm that's led by CPAs and attorneys rather than a firm that's led by, you know, a marketing and sales arm or department. You know, you want CPAs and attorneys who are supported by data analysts and payroll specialists who just really know what they're talking about. And so that's going to be the biggest, the biggest thing I would say when looking for an ERC advisor. That's really important. One of the things I wanted to ask Victoria, and I might have cut you off on your train of thought, but the cost associated with this, because in the rumor mill, I've heard again, right, another board chair say, oh, we can get that done for free. I know a buddy, you know, I have a friend in my Rolodex, if you will, that said that they would do it pro bono. How is that showing up in this conversation? Yeah, so Jared, I've heard that too. And, you know, certainly that is a case by case situation. You know, oftentimes that will be something that some firms can do. You know, sometimes also some CPAs and accounting firms can do it for the organizations they work for themselves. But when it comes to fees, you know, this is something I think that everyone needs to look out for as well as a red flag. You know, if you're working with a company that's trying to charge you somewhere, you know, 20 to 30% of the credit as their fee. You know, that's a little bit of a red flag. That's, it's an exorbitant fee. You want to look for, you know, obviously the firm is doing work. If they're looking for a fee, it should just be something reasonable, certainly. So that's definitely something to work for. Also, just as another now we're talking about red flags. You know, if you're speaking with a firm that's guaranteeing you eligibility in under 10 minutes without truly asking the right questions and truly looking at your documents. That's certainly a red flag as well. This, like I mentioned before, this is a very nuanced test. And especially as nonprofits, you know, with that being so risk averse you really want to be working with somebody who's taking the time to gather all the facts to really understand your story really understand your numbers and and really do the work. I love what you said earlier is like you really want someone that will listen to your covert story. Yeah, we all have one. Yeah, we all have one. Yeah, and so a large part of my day every day is dedicated to doing that because it is part of that legal test. And I work, you know, in the legal side of the house. And truly, I mean, COVID was such a difficult time for so many businesses and organizations so it's a little hard sometimes for people to think back to that time and, and, you know, when they sit down and take the time, because when they're in it they were sort of just doing it making decisions that on the fly and just making it work. But when they sit there and think back about it and start talking about it I feel a little bit like a therapist sometimes because, you know, to take the time to think about it just everyone started started saying wow we. Wow, we really look at what we did it was really incredible. So it was a really difficult time. I love that you said that because that's one of the magical parts. And sometimes I think it gets us into trouble and then on profit sector is that we're it's very easy for us to get into the middle of the storm and then move right on and the reflection piece and how that that forms our patina is lost right and so I can see where this is a challenge for a lot of organizations. Also, we've had a huge turnover and staff. I mean recently we had a guest on that talked about, you know, the shortage in accounting and the changes in accounting. How hard is this to do if you don't have staff that was actually in service at the time when this happened. Can this be done in a forensic matter, or is that just going to make things a lot harder. So the standard document request that's needed to do the calculation and do all the work should be stuff that just comes right off the shelf. Okay. So, you know, it shouldn't be too hard for somebody who's just stepped into the role to pull the information that's needed. Where we do run into issues sometime when there's a lot of turnover is when it comes to that operational test, because we really want to, I mean, ideally you want to speak to somebody who was boots on the ground there every day and can really give you all the details as to all those operational changes that were made. If that person's not there, and we got a whole new staff and nobody really knows what was going on then that can pose a little bit of an issue. Yeah. I'm curious, Victoria, does the board play a role in this at all. I mean I'm really curious, especially starting out right like is this something that the treasurer needs to be a part of or the board chair. What involvement do you have from that level.  Like I mentioned before, a lot of times they have questions everybody wants to be really comfortable with this oftentimes board see this as something that's risky. So, you know, that conversation does happen at that time. So, we have stages of engagement and the process, you know, we're typically working with the CEO, the CFO, and then just different department heads who can give us the information that we need to complete our work. Amazing. So, one last question. I've got to ask this and we don't have much time left, but could you give us kind of like an idea for the size of an organization. Like, if you really only had like less than five employees, would this make sense? Or do you really need to be that 50 plus 100 plus, you know, 500. What, what, what is your sensibility of this. You know, I would say that it really can be significant for even very small, small organizations with a small number of employees. You know, obviously, as those employee accounts go up, the credit can become really quite significant. But if you had W2 payroll during the pandemic, you can qualify for the ERC. So I would say, and especially for those smaller organizations, you know, even a relatively smaller amount of money can really be quite impactful. So, so I think it's worth looking into. Yeah, I love it. Well, I'm sorry, Jerick, go ahead. Victoria, you shared with us about an organization in California, but I don't believe you're in California. So do you serve across the nation then anyone listening or says, I want to know more or oh gosh, I thought my timeline had run up. Maybe I do want to contact Victoria. Do you serve all 50 states? Yes, we do. We work. I am located in South Carolina, but I am on zoom all day long with organizations and businesses all over the country from, you know, Hawaii to Maine. So, so glad to hear that. Yeah, and to know that again, you know, we originally met in Nashville, another guest Julia from the race conference there that one cause held in Nashville. So thank you Victoria Beck, general counsel regulatory compliance at easy dash ERC. For those of you listening, check out the website, it is easy dash ERC.com. You can find out some information now Victoria mentioned a couple of deadlines coming up. They're not until April so you still do have a little bit of time but that runway is coming to an end at some point but I'm really glad to know that it's not over because again I really thought like this ship has sailed for a lot of organizations and I think a lot of organizations probably have that same mentality. So thank you for still shining light on this possibility. My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Oh, it's been really, really interesting.  We've got to, you know, ask for help and we've got to rally the troops of the professionals around us. And this, I think Jared is another example of that. So again, I'm Julia Patrick, CEO of the American nonprofit Academy been joined today by the nonprofit nerd herself, my nonprofit nerd, but she can be your nonprofit nerd too. Jared, our ransom. Hey, we have amazing partners that are with us day in and day out more than 900 episodes. And they include Blumerang American nonprofit Academy, your part time controller, nonprofit thought leader, fundraising Academy at National University, staffing boutique, nonprofit nerd and nonprofit tech talk. These are the folks that join us day in and day out so we can have conversation conversations like we've had with Victoria today. All right, ladies, we end every episode with this message. And it goes like this to stay well, so you can do well. 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My name is Charles Nesson, I'm the well-professor of Law at Harvard Law School and the founder of the Berkman Center. The answer is yes. That has been wonderful stimulation to it. But I'd say I started with the idea that the advent of the net creates an inflection point that changes the defaults. So for example, Zitron was talking about recording and my pension for keeping a record, basically laying down a digital track. And the differentiation that emerges in thinking about public and private is enabled by thinking of the recording as separate from the distribution. So in a sense what everyone's worried about about privacy in the digital world is moving from a world in which actions were not recorded into an environment in which digital actions are recorded. And the defaults changed and so privacy then becomes a challenge of coming to terms with the new environment. I felt the biggest insight for me came during Ethan Zuckerman's talk when he made the cycle from the protests in Tunisia around through the language barrier back down to be mirrored by the protesters in the social media to which they had access. And the insight that came from it was articulated by him as the viewpoint of the programmer who makes the tools that allows this to happen. I would first see privacy as a form of secrecy. Privacy and secrecy to me are quite the same. From the programmer's point of view as articulated in the conference, writing the program and controlling access for surveillance and access for privacy concerns, from the programmer's point of view the programming is the same. So from that side you start to see a kind of balance that has to do more with coming to terms with the new environment. In a sense we express our public identities earlier and earlier in life. The elder people fear for it but the youth embraces it. And of course they embrace the technology and for them the payoff is so much greater than the concerns for privacy that they see their elders quivering before.


I think this is a great example of encouraging girls to get into ICT jobs especially when our schools give us opportunities just us girls to go out of school to join for example going to the University of Geneva to be able to work in like coding workshops and like their two meal workshops to learn things connected to technology I think it's a great experience and I feel like it really motivates girls to like be able to learn more about technology and be motivated to join in and maybe start a career on something like that as well like to find their true passion maybe you know I think it really helps because it's a day where all girls get to many girls get to join together we get to talk with girls from other countries for example and join together and it feels like a community and especially if you're someone who wants to go into something ICT related you feel supported because there's so many girls around you who want to do the same things as you


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