Yeah. All right. Well, good evening. We'll get the meeting started the March 15th select board meeting. We've got Bradtown, Flo Smith, John Quinn isn't here at the moment. We've got David Sawyer, Justin Lawrence, myself and Vince Conti. Do we have any additions or changes to the agenda? We talked about the state revolving loan programs. Yes, those are the those are the additions that I have. Okay. Any public comment? Hearing none. Treasurer's report. Sorry, I was having a hard time. I'm clicking okay. I don't have anything to this point. Everything I have is in the agenda. Okay. John just sent me a text. He's trying to get in. He said he can't find the link. So I don't know if you can text that or not. Thanks. All right. And Andrew Shuford, are you here? Yes, I'm here. All right. So you have an application for the Vermont Runners Club? That's correct. We've got an application in for a race next month. Tell us a little bit about it. Yes. We've been doing this for this will be the 46th year. So a long time. And it will be similar to what we did two years ago. We obviously couldn't hold the race last year. And so we're doing the same thing we've done for many years, which is we begin and end the race in Montpelier near the high school on the bike path. But we end up using town roads for most of the course, since it is 10 miles. So we go out by the river on Junction Road, Three Mile Bridge Road, and go up a little bit on Jones Brook Road and come back around back the way we came. And we'll probably have probably about 75 people is our guess as to what we'll have this year. And we'll have a little bit different protocol this year because of the distancing requirements that we have to have. So the starts will be staggered. So we won't have big groups. So it may take a little bit longer, maybe about 20 minutes or so more time than we used to have. But it's on Saturday morning, April 24th. And the impact will be between the times of like 8.45 to probably 10.30. And we might have a few people straggling in a little after that. But it's not going to be a lot of people on the road. But we do like to get towns blessings so that we can hold the race. And should be similar to in the past. And we'll have course monitors out there to try and keep everybody under control and keep people spaced out. All right. I see you've submitted the application along with the certificate of liability. Yes. That's from our insurances named the town as insured. Does anybody, anybody have any comment? Let's see, Slayer, I just real quickly, you have traffic control where you needed already aligned or is that the town from the town or anything? We have our at the major intersections. We have a volunteer there to direct. In general, we haven't had problems with traffic. And we will keep the runners on the side of the road so that they stay out of the way of the cars and keep the traffic flowing. We don't ever stop traffic for this event. There's no need to. And particularly this year when we're spacing people out more, that definitely won't be too. They shouldn't be running together any way based on the distancing they're supposed to do. Yeah. It's just, just for the safety of the runners. That was the only reason I was questioning that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good point, but we try and make sure that they stay to the side of the road and don't impede the traffic. And that, you know, I think generally on Saturday morning, we've had a pretty, pretty good result that we try and let everybody get along with the cars and let the vehicles get along with us too. So. Could you take in, tell me if you're going to take in post beside the roads that you're using informations of the motorists will know that the race is coming. You do that. That's, that's a good point. We will, you know, in years past, we usually put a sign up like on Wednesday or Thursday before to say that there'll be a race on Saturday on this, in this area. And on the day of the race, we will put up a race in progress sign at various points just to let them know that there is, there could be people out there in the road that they don't normally see out there. Very good. I make a motion to approve the application as presented by Andrew Shuford tonight on behalf of the Central Vermont Runners Club for Saturday, April 24th for the road race, 845 a.m. to 1045 a.m. for the roads of Junction Road, Three Mile Bridge Road, and Jones Brook Road as presented tonight. That was second. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Excellent. Thank you, Andy. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Night. Next we have Applebee's liquor license. Good. We've got one first class and one third class license for Applebee's. I make a motion to approve a first class and a third class liquor license for Applebee's at 199 term pipe, Berlin, Vermont. All right. Second that motion. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Next up looks like we have Tim for the Crosstown Road closure. Yep. Again, Tim's with us if you want to speak to Tim, but it's that time of year. Yeah. Unfortunately, we're getting the mud season. One of the not look forward to ones. So yeah, just looking for the board's approval for the shutdown for a few weeks so it doesn't get completely trashed with traffic. And hopefully if everything goes good with everything else, my plan is maybe we'll let's close down to do some of that other work that we had talked about during budget season, try to get some of those fraud, the clay boils there out of the hill, dig them, ditch them, put some drainage stone, mat and gravel. And if we can do some of that, well, it's closed depending on whether and what the other roads start looking like. If we're not hauling a lot of gravel for fixing mud, try to do some of that work while it's closed so we don't have to deal with the traffic and hopefully speed that up a little bit. I'd make a motion to approve the closure of the Crosstown Road for the seasonal closing. I second that. Any further discussion? And what kind of time period are you talking about here? Last year it went on way too long. We were getting a lot of complaints from the people in West Berlin about how long it was closed. Well, you know, I mean, it's you can't open it too soon because if it's not completely dry up on the top, then they're just going to wreck it up there. But yeah, as soon as it's possible for the amount of traffic that it gets, I think we can open it back up. Because if you open it too, too early, you know what I mean? The hill dries out because it's in the sun. And then like up by Mike Richardson's and Gary Richardson's. That has a tendency to last a little bit longer for some reason. That usually becomes the other second trouble spot later for some reason. But I'm noticing this year so far, it seems like they're drying out fairly good. We've scuffed a few roads last week when it was 50, 60 degrees out and they were drying out pretty good. So hopefully, hopefully we won't have to have it much more in a couple of weeks. But then again, if we want to do some of that work, well, it's closed. It might last another week or two. Or we can reopen it. And then if we end up closing it down for a day or two, where we do some work over there, that'll be a different thing. But by all means, you don't want to inconvenience people. But it takes about the same time to drive around as it does to go up over it when it's muddy and rough. Oh, I understand. I'm just trying to address the complaints that we got last year. And when I look at it, I think about the same thing about Berlin Pond, right? And the ruddy mess that that becomes and the amount of time it would take to drive around if we shut down that as well. I'm not saying we should or should. And I'm just saying, I'm not sure how we came up with that we should close that road down and not some of the other pastors that get wrecked just as bad. I'm not sure. I know they've been doing it for the last six to seven years, I believe. I know they they paid attention to it one year versus the the first year they think they closed it. They kind of kept track of material versus the last year they didn't close it to the year that they did close it. And I believe it was like seven or eight thousand dollars in difference like from spring costs of maintenance hauling gravel out there, fixing mud between truck time, material time and man time. Good enough for me. I think the closure is going to depend on the weather. Yeah, you know what I mean? Then it dictates how long it's going to be closed. All right, any additional discussion? I didn't I, Brad, did we I didn't know that we had to make a motion on this. Didn't we didn't do it like that last year? We usually do. Do we? We did last year. Oh, okay. My bad. All those in favor? Hi. Hi. Motion carries. So my plan is is to probably start doing that tomorrow with the anticipation that Wednesday is going to be up to 50 degrees according to the weather. Trying to the hill got in some pretty bad shape last week when it was 50, 60 degrees. So so we don't lose it anymore. They packed it down over the weekend with the cold weather. But the the clay boils are getting up to foot two foot high in places. So just so you guys are aware, that's what I was looking. Yep. Thank you, Tim. You're welcome. Thank you. Yeah, I'd like to introduce, as you all probably know, Robert Clark from the Creek. He's here to talk a little bit about where where they're at from the engineering side and what the next steps are as far as finalizing the design and getting ready to go out to bid on that. Mr. Clark. Good evening, everyone. So I just wanted to come and give you all a quick update on where we're at at this point. So we've submitted two applications, permit applications, their waivers, one for the Army Corps of Engineers and one for the state of Vermont wetlands program for the project. So the only project permit we're going to need is a stream alteration permit from the state. We submitted a draft package to them with the plans in their current state, which are essentially final plans for any review and comment before we submit the formal the formal package to them. So I think we're in really good shape there. And the next steps really at this point are to to bid the project and and then go out to construction. I mentioned to Vince earlier, I think it's going to be about $6,000 to bid the project. And I think right now, just looking at where we're at, we're about $10,000 under the estimate that we had given you a few months back to design and permit this project. So what I was hoping to do is get tentative approval to to move forward with bid on this and then we can provide a formal proposal and contract for your review and approval at a later date. Okay. Does anybody have any questions? Robert, is the is the design going to change any from what you were thinking it would be? Can you explain a little or I'm not sure your question, Brad? Yeah, I'm trying to think how to phrase it. Well, first off, you've done the design work, you did your car samples, correct? Correct. And so when you say final design, what are you talking about? Are you changing the the footings or are you changing the aesthetics or what? No, so at this point, we've actually what we've asked the stream alteration engineer for is a approval on the grading plan and and the slope that we're proposing through the structure. So one of the things that's a little bit challenging with what we do sometimes, especially when you have situations like you do at this intersection is we actually have to survey up and downstream of the culvert and try and get an average average slope across that water body. And it's a little bit challenging there because you have a lot of flood plain and wetland in between Fisher Road and Paintern Pike. And then you obviously get a fairly narrow channel that works its way down towards the City of Montpeliers Water Treatment Plant. So what we were hoping to do was just get their approval on what we've proposed, which is based on measurements and stuff that we've taken. I don't envision our plan changing at all. But one of the biggest things that we try and do is we have to size the stone that goes in this structure, the erosion stone, so that it can handle the velocities that are there. And if we have to make significant changes to the slope of the structure, how much pitch you have from one end to the other, then it can change how much water can go through it and whether or not we'd need potentially a thicker layer of stone. But at this point, the design itself is finished. We've settled on a 28 foot concrete arch like I presented previously. The footings are at a reasonable depth. They're going to be about six feet below the water body elevation, the grade in the structure. The footings themselves are spread footings. They're eight feet wide by three feet deep with reinforced concrete. So it's a relatively simple shallow foundation. So you, I thought you were going to use a aluminum arch. You're going with concrete? We went with concrete. Yeah. Yep. What's the line expectancy? 60 plus years or more. Why did you go with concrete versus the aluminum? We can, to be honest, they make the structures in the same shape. So if you wanted to save a little bit of money, you could. The estimate for the aluminum, you know, so the bulk of the cost is in the digging and the setting and the pouring of the foundations, dealing with the bypass of the water while you're trying to do all that work and how you handle the stream. The difference between the concrete and the aluminum between the manufacturers was, I think, I don't have it right in front of me. I want to say it was $40,000 or $50,000. And to me, you can get a lot more life out of a concrete structure. What's the life of the aluminum? They say that that's rated for 50 plus years. The concrete is rated for 60 plus. Yeah. In my opinion, you could probably get longer in that application too. I'm under the understanding that's a natural bottom. You're doing on this to put the stream back into the, for nature's conservancy or whatever, to put that back to just a natural bottom, open bottom. Yeah. So pretty much every large structure like this, even the bigger box culverts now, they get infilled with erosion stone and then they get natural material placed in around them to provide a kind of a natural path through from one end to the other. Very rarely do we see the like a concrete bottom or something of that nature there. So that's what this would be. It would be a riprap or an erosion stone lined structure that over time, when you get different flood events, over time, it'll silt in with other material as well and become even more natural. And that's really what the state's trying to promote with these types of things. The bigger difference here is the width requirements. So you're going from about 11 and a half feet wide to about 28 feet wide, which makes a big difference in really how fast the water's moving through there. Slows it down. So any other questions or comments for Robert? No. So what are you looking for us to do, Robert? Can you say that? Sure. I'd be happy to rephrase it. So right now, we're waiting to see if we have any comments from the state on the draft permit application before we finalize it. But I estimate we're about $10,000 under the budget that you guys authorized previously. And what I was hoping to do tonight would be to get a tentative approval that if the state comes back and authorizes us to go forward, we can submit that permit application and then start the bidding process for this, kind of concurrently with the submission of that last permit. So I don't expect that this project actually qualifies for coverage under the state's general permit for stream work. So it's usually somewhere between 30 and 45 days to turn that permit around on the state's end. So I think there's really no risk in bidding the project and starting that process. It kind of helps accelerate it and gets us closer to being able to start construction this summer. Okay. Robert, you had mentioned something that the bid process of this you estimated cost around $6,000. What's that for warnings? So for something like this, it's a big enough project. The process usually involves, we put the advertisement in the paper. We attend a pre-bid meeting with contractors and then we answer questions. And for something like this, it's usually done in a formal addenda to the contract. So for us, we have a set of plans and we have a set of bidding documents. And contractors are allowed for a period of about three weeks to ask questions, get clarification. That way everybody's bidding the same thing. And so that $6,000 is essentially for us to manage that phase, provide plans and stuff to the contractors. And then what we would do is we would come back to you with a tabulation of all the bids that are received and a recommendation to award the contract after that period is over. All right. Is that a fixed cost, Robert? It certainly can be. I hadn't given any thought to that. Usually we do those on an either an hourly or a lump sum basis, but it's all about the same. Because it really what matters is how many addendums you have to do. So some of the larger water type projects we do, like if we were doing a water treatment plan or something like that, you might have three or four addendum in it because it's just a bigger project. Something like this, we would plan on one addendum. So it might be a little bit less or a little bit more, but I think six is a good number. And I'm happy to do it whatever way you guys would like or I could give you guys. I was just curious on how you came up with the number. I mean, at $200 an hour, you're talking about 30 hours. So I was just, some of that does a lot of contracting work. I was trying to figure out what went into it. I don't do a lot of bridge contracting work. That's very different. When do you expect to hear back from the state? This week, actually, they've had it for about a week. I was hoping for something today, but it didn't come through. Okay. Does anybody want to make a motion? Yeah, I'd make a motion to proceed with the next step on the Fisher Road COVID process. Can I second that motion? All right. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Say aye. All right. Motion carries. Excellent. Thank you, Robert. Great. Thank you. Have a good evening. Thank you. Vouchers and applications. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 21-18 for payroll from February 14, 2021 to February 27, 2021 paid on March 3 of this year in the amount of $46,756.15. Also payroll warrant 21-G-19 with checks 29-65 to 21-0-1-3 in the amount of $56,438.36. Also February reconciled bank statements for general funds, sewer commission, and water division and the February journal entries as well. Second that motion. Any discussion? All those in favor? Say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Perfect. Now might be a good time to put in that state revolving the loan program for the water infrastructure. Okay. I'm happy to do so. I sent out a package that contained two state revolving loans. One for the asset management plan for all the wastewater infrastructure. That loan amount was for $55,000 and that 50% of that is a grant. The second one is for the Crosstown project and that is for $9,220 and again 50% of that is also a grant. The complete package, I did send you again. I don't know if you had a chance to review that or not or if you have any questions. If you have any specifics, Tom is also with us tonight as well. Okay. Tom, do you have anything you want to add to this? I don't know. Just what the approach work board was trying to do with the Crosstown road one is to get a shovel ready project. We're anticipating possibilities from federal stimulus monies being available and those are likely to go to projects that are ready to be developed. In addition to the Crosstown road is a two-piece, you're only allowed to request financing from clean water on a phase-by-phase basis. The select board will be seen phase two, likely in a couple of weeks to the tune of about $30,000 to do the final design on that. Again, if without stimulus money, the public's work board would likely not complete that project. But again, they're trying to anticipate if federal funds will become available. It sounded like the stimulus, the American Relief Fund money was going to need to be COVID related in some aspect. If you looked at some of the Biden, during his campaign, there was a big effort to put monies into infrastructure and we're thinking that it's truly not COVID related. It's more of a stimulus for economic development. John, just to inform you, I did get an email from Nancy Chartrand of the Central Monterey Regional Commission with regard to that with a little bit more information. It does, one of the first bullet points, it does say it has to be related to coronavirus, but in the third bullet, she did say it also can be used to make necessary investments in water, sewer, or broadband infrastructure. So if we can tie it to that, it also gave us an estimated amount of funds that the town of Berlin could expect, even though it's not finalized yet as well, of about $280,000. I guess I didn't catch in the loan document itself when I was looking at it. So is the $55,000 before the grant or after the grant? 50% of that is a grant. Okay. So the loan amounts would be $27,500 roughly or whatever. Correct. Yeah, half of that. Yep. Yep. Anybody care to make a motion? Make the motion to approve the documents as presented this evening by Vince Concey. Second that motion. Okay. Just trying to look at these numbers here on this real quick. Any further discussion? All right, Dave, what are you looking at, the numbers on the loan? I was just looking at the papers that Vince sent us on the state revolving loan fund. So I was just trying to pick the numbers on those, but yeah, we're good. I just, I was a little looking at things there, but we're all set. You're good. Any further discussion? Well, with the kind of thing, without this being a warned item on the agenda, I'm just wondering about voting on a money item without having a proper warning. Yeah, we probably should. That's a good point, Brad. Yep. That was, that one's on me, Brad. I got to take that one. I didn't revise the agenda to get that on there in time. Is there any time limitation on this, Vince? I think I've got to note that needs to be done by 5 April. So the answer, there's not a time limit from the state. You could actually start spending money on these projects. The public board board has contractors lined up. It's just that we'd like to like to select board to give their blessing before we start spending the money. But why would we spend the money if we don't know if we're going to get it from the state yet? You'll get the money from the state. I spoke to Tom Brown from the agency. They'll award the money. I would think that it would make sense to wait until we, before we start spending money to know that we're for certain going to get it. I mean, things do occur, I'm sure. I mean, the last administration changed the guidance and the rules 10 times on the money. And I get, it's a new administration, but there's no track record here of what will happen. And I know we made campaign promises, but everyone makes campaign promises. So I'll see you on the next meeting. I'll award it on the next meeting. Excellent. Yeah, we have to rescind the motion. Probably not, right? Just hold the vote. We can vote it down. All right. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Say aye. Opposed? Nay. Nay. February 15th, has everybody had a chance to review those? Flo? John? Brad? Dave? I looked them over, but I wasn't on at that. So I don't think I can vote on that. Right. That's fine. Yeah, I think, you know, my only comment would be is that we, you know, especially while we're remote, we should be putting a disclaimer at the bottom that the full video of our select board meetings are posted on Orca Media. And for the most accurate reflection of what people say, you can refer to the video as long as it's posted, just as a note to let people know, because there's been a lot of, well, you said he said, you know, whatever, when you go back and look at the videos, it's all there from each one of our meetings. So it would be nice, you know, to have that at the bottom of each of our minutes to say that, you know, Orca was here and you can find the full broadcasting on their website. I will add that, John. Makes a lot of sense. Well, does anyone care to make a motion to approve the minutes? Sure. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of February 15th. And I'll second that with the caveat to have the information that John just explained at the bottom. I think that would be good for all, all meetings going forward. All right. Any further discussion on the February 15th minutes? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Motion carries. What about the February 1st minutes? Okay. Make a motion to approve the February 1st minutes. And I second the motion. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Justin, we're having a hard time hearing you. Oh, sorry, committee board appointments and bylaws is next on our agenda. Okay. So that's again, that's something that I'm just looking for the information that I sent you for the approval to move forward with it. If you're in agreement with that, it's something that we talked about early on when I came on board as well as about standardizing how the boards and the committees work and the and how the appointments are done and having some bylaws and policies so they work consistently as well. So I drafted those, those up, sent them out for your review. And if the board is okay with that, the next steps for me would be to eat, meet with each of the boards, roll these out and explain it to them and start putting them in place and having them use them as their regular process of operation. And in addition to that, set up with them once a month to have one of the committees have an attendee at the select board meeting to provide updates and also provide a monthly report on their progress or what they're planning or doing. Did everybody get a chance to review those? Yes. I don't, I don't see them. So was that something you sent with the different attachment ramps? It probably would have been in a different, yeah, it was. I sent it twice. You were probably only in the second one. If you didn't receive it, I will resend it to you. Yeah, I don't, I don't see it. I'm scrolling through the whole thing and that I don't see. The first one I sent back before you were on the board, David. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't see the second one. I get every else, but I don't see that. I'd like to read them over. Yeah. Absolutely. I will get those out to you. Thank you. Okay. We, we can put that on the next agenda as well for just so Dave has a chance to reveal it and be part of it there. Get his input. We also was going to use this section on the agenda. If we can do, we should appoint, we need to appoint liaisons and for all of our different departments, we, we should do that sooner than later too, right? Brad, what do you, when do we usually appoint liaisons or the board of directors to the fire department, the town of the Berlin? Can't hear you, Justin. When do we usually do the representative to the fire departments or the liaisons too? I was thinking we'd use this, this piece of the agenda to be able to do that. Well, if you're going to use the liaison system, it doesn't matter because it's, it's strictly in the board itself. The appointments and whatnot, those are usually done within a month or so after the, after the March meeting, March, uh, town meeting. Okay. You guys think you want to do the next agenda with that? Do you want to do the next meeting? Do you want to do the appointments for the boards or do you want to take care of it now with the liaisons and fire department? I think the next meeting would be fine. I apologize for the microphone. Next on the agenda, we have the vast Irish shelter. Justin, I can't hear you. I don't know if others can, but I'm having a hard time. I don't know. Yeah, I apologize. I heard you. Yeah, I don't know. I'm talking closer to the microphone on my laptop, but I don't know. It must not be working any better the closer I get. So I stayed away. We have the Irish Shell update next on the agenda. Okay, so, um, the, uh, Conservation Commission reached out to me today. Their meeting with vast is taking place right now. So they said they may not be able to join to talk about that steering committee this evening. They did send me a document that I did forward on to the board today with regards to the members that they already had on working on the steering committee. All right. I don't know if you had a chance to see that or not. Yeah, I see that. Then the other question that they posed to me to bring to the board is, is there someone from the board who would also like to be on that steering committee and they would like to get someone from the planning committee onto the board as well? Did everybody take a peek at who's on the committee now? And have you guys reviewed all of that? I did. So what do we, how do we, uh, I mean, we've got an abutting landowner on there. How did, do you know how the conservation committee came up with who they wanted to have on this steering committee? The way that I understand it is they opened it up for volunteers. They reached out to all the organizations that are using the trail plus VAST, which is Josh, to ask for volunteers to be on there. And that's my understanding of how this came about to this point. So Vince, did they advertise? That's a great question. I don't know the answer to that one, John. I can find out if it was, if it was posted or not. I mean, I know most of the people on this, this list of their great people. But I think every one of them, with the exception of maybe the mountain bike, well, the mountain bike and the hunting person was against the trail.  And maybe that's a, that's a false impression that I have, but that's kind of the way I felt. You know, I'd like to know if it was opened up and if they advertised for people to be on it, or if it was just, you know, the people that were on each one of the Zoom calls. No, I will reach out and get an answer to that question for you tomorrow, John. And I think, you know, from my perspective, I think there should be a select board member on it. And that's why at the last meeting I said, you know, let's, let's just talk about the composition of the steering committee and what it looks like. Because I think a lot of these questions are important, you know, who makes up the board are all the conservation committee people on it, or is there one conservation person on it? There's one person from BAST on it. And I'm not, you know, I'm very interested in what it looks like. Is there five conservation people on it? I don't know. On the steering committee? I don't, I don't, yeah, that's a, they don't have anybody listed on the, from the board on the steering committee at this point. Right. So, but, but oh, I have, I have to assume that there's conservation committee people on the steering committee. Right. I would, I would think. Maybe, maybe we can review the minutes from their meeting tonight and kind of, that'll have a good idea of the makeup of it. True. Yeah. So, how often do they plan on this steering committee meeting? Do we have any feel for that? How much time they're looking? Based on what we know, Dave, we, we tasked them with bringing us a draft or a recommendation of the, the updated management plan for VAST by June 1st. So it's a, it's a rather short term appointment. You look interested, Dave. Yeah, I don't know. You know, I, I mean, I would be willing to, to, to, to do it. As long as, you know, it's a short term type of thing. I would be willing to, to sit on there, the steering committee there. And I've expressed an interest as well. So I'm fine with whomever folks wish to be on from the board, or even if our administrator was on, either way is fine with me. Yeah. If those of you guys are interested, I'm more than willing to back out of the way, believe me. No, no, I didn't mean it that way at all. I wouldn't even want to be on it if I was considered that I was opposed. And why would I want to be on it if I'm opposed to it? I'm just interested in being on it as a board member as a neutral party. But it doesn't matter to me. It's just a matter of one of us being on there. So whomever it is, it's totally fine with me.  There's no, as long as there's not three where it equals a quorum. Good point. In Norfolk, we had two members assigned to a lot of different things just because, you know, everyone's busy. And if you can't make a meeting, then you have another representative there. So, right. You know, as long as we don't have three, I think we're, we're all set. So with that, I'd, I'd, I'd make a motion that we appoint both, Flo Smith and David Sawyer to the, to the commission or the steering committee. Excuse me. Can I get a second? Second. I think it has to be you. That's it. Second, but I have something for discussion. Okay. All right. Any discussion? Yes. How big is this committee going to be? If you have two members from the board, you have a member from all the interested other committees. You're getting up there. I mean, they, the, the rule I've heard after seven people become pretty in effect. Yeah. I've been looking at it. It looks like if with two from the board, it looks like they'd have about 10 members. And that's without any conservation committee people on there as well. Yeah. You might want, you might want to think about that. Well, do you, do you think we should ask the conservation committee to come in and discuss the structure of this steering committee? Well, from what Vince said, when they, when they started to put the steering committee together, there wasn't any, any basis as far as pro or con to the trail. It was just that they asked these, what they thought were the committees that would be interested to have input into this. Right. I think, I think the conservation committee is well aware of the fact that their current management plan allows for the use with vast and that this, this for the new management plan is a separate for writing it. But I, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know. It seems like there's a lot going to be a lot of different input and a lot of different directions and we, and nothing will probably get accomplished or it'll be much slower in the process with so many hands in the pot, so to speak. Could I just interrupt for just a second? I did put an agenda for the commission. They have an agenda they posted for March 17th. They have a meeting. They said plan for first steering committee meeting on March 24th. Then their next item was review of March 15 21 meeting with vast 30 minutes. Okay. So obviously they're meeting with best today or tonight survey with regards to monitoring usage of Darling Trail during weekends and the discussion next steps management plan. So they are going to have another meeting on the 17th at two o'clock and it's going to be a zoom meeting and it is posted on our website on the front page. And that's, that was the 17th. Yes, just this Wednesday. I believe they're planning to have weekly meetings until they get this result with vast. Okay. Well, we have a, we have a motion out there. So is there any other discussion? As long as we can take in, as long as it's possible to take in, I'm just trying to think would we be better off instead of having two members from the select board on it to have one member approved by the board and a alternate one person couldn't make it. You know, I'm looking at this saying and I'm kind of confused because you have the commission that is working on these issues on this trail and now they've got a steering committee. It seems like they're doing, to me, and I may I'm missing something, but it seems like they're doing the same thing. They're, they're, they're both trying to come up with a plan where it should be the commission coming up with the plan with some outside. Oh, how I'm trying to construct this to say, but it seems like what's a steering committee is doing the same thing that the commission's doing, am I wrong? Maybe I can help Dave. It could have been by the way that I made the motion. I think on February 1st for VAST and the conservation committee to build the management plan for the trail, for the snow machine trail. And so the conservation committee's thought was, well, we shouldn't stop and please correct me if anyone has a different interpretation. We shouldn't stop at snow machines. The whole entire plan really needs to be rewritten. We should talk to mountain bikers because we never updated it for them. We should talk to ATVers. We should talk to hunters. We should talk to snowshoers. We should talk to skiers and rewrite the plan, you know, as a whole. I think that's where they started to build this steering committee. I think that, I think that was their intention was that's how they were coming up with this steering committee approach. But I think my motion to have VAST and the conservation committee build the plan kind of, you know, confused it all maybe. Yeah, but is it ultimately it's the committee, the nature's committee to come up with this plan, but now they're putting a steering committee together just simply to gather the information needed for them? Is that, I mean, it seems like me something's going to get lost in the translation of this, you know, of what they're ultimately trying to do. And that falls on the commission that comes to us as a select board to make the final judgment. I think maybe the scope of work was big enough to where they didn't feel with the size of their membership they could do with the timeframe we laid out. Okay. Well, I think they'll, we can ask them to be in attendance at the next meeting to discuss this and give us some more input and get you up to speed too, David, if you'd like. Well, I'm going to go ahead and go on that Zoom meeting on the 17, just to see if I can get some more from it. And I'm looking, you know, at the steering committee, the makeup seems to be pretty decent, you know, they're suggested, you know, from fishing game, the impact on the area. Trevor Whipple, it's a little, you know, the liability issues, you know, Trevor's great at what he does. And Josh, you know, yeah, I just, just to me, it seems like the steering committee is doing with the commission, you know, the natures that that committee should have been doing and not, not throwing it on the back of the steering committee. But I don't know the makeup of the steer of the other committee that has been tasked with coming up the plan. It sounds like you are for you to participate not a little bit more and maybe get up to speed there. So any further discussion? All right. I was going to add that I will not be able to participate this Wednesday. So I'd like to defer and have David be the person on the committee. I think that would be wonderful as I would not be able to make the weekly meetings. I, and just a real quick thing too, on that note, I'm going to be gone April 3rd to the 10th. So I won't be available anywhere at that point. I think, I think that's all the more reason to have two people, but that's, that's just my opinion is because everyone's kind of busy and, you know, I think weekly meetings during the day are kind of problematic. The other thing that we can do, not that he doesn't have enough to do is, you know, assign Vince. And I can do it between April 3rd and 10th and I could pitch hit for David as well. I just would not be able to do it on a weekly basis and especially not two days from now unfortunately. So I really appreciate that David's willing to. And if that works for him, I'm fine with that. And I'd be fine with assisting on the timeframe of April 3rd through the 10th as well. Okay. So it sounds like the motion still works. Any further discussion? All right. All those in favor? Say aye. Round table? Brad, do you get anything? No. Hello? Not this evening. Thanks, Justin. John? Dave? No. No. Anything for round table, John? I didn't see it say yes or no. No. Okay. Motion to adjourn? So moved. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. We're adjourned. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Good evening, everyone. You too, everybody.


Sain is overrated when you need a breakthrough. When you and your life need a breakthrough, need a game change, and need to move to the next level, Sain is overrated. That's why you should all have some crazy people in your life. In fact, you should all have at least one crazy friend.  Thank you for bringing crazy to my life. Whatever they are in the world, wake them up with that text. You are my crazy friend.


Last time on the show, I ranked my top five worst MCU characters. This time, we're gonna do the top on another episode of Hot Takes. I'm not gonna sugarcoat this. Coming up with the top five list was a lot harder than I thought it was gonna be. Especially when I broke down the individual films on top of the combo flicks. But this is the list I have and I'll kinda stand by it. I'll half-ass stand by it. At the number five spot, we have Dr. Strange. Benedict Cumberbatch, or BC for short, I'll never use that again, is basically Tony Stark. Tony Stark Light, I guess. And I wasn't even that big of a fan of his solo film. It wasn't until I saw him with the rest of the roster that I stood back and was like, this guy's pretty awesome. Especially in Infinity War. That one I thought was a Dr. Strange vehicle. Him, Thor, and pretty much those two really wowed me more than anybody else. And I didn't think that was gonna happen. He's really won me over. And I'm actually really looking forward to his next outing. It's the only phase four film I'm really looking forward to at all. Honestly, all I really love about the character is him just going like this.  Like, I could just watch that for two hours. Because Cumberbatch just has that straight face while it's happening. He's really into what he's doing. If you were to ask me, after Captain America's first solo film was done, if he was one of my favorite characters in the MCU, I would have laughed at you. Told you to get out of my house. I'd never invited you in to begin with. But then something happened. The Avengers. And then something else happened. Captain America Winter Soldier. And then a third and a fourth and a fifth thing happened. And suddenly Chris Evans is on my mind more often than not. That's weird. That's a weird thing to say. Anyway, I found Captain America initially to be a lame character. I never was into him in the comics. I thought he was laughable in cartoons. He's wearing the Star Spangled Banner as an outfit.  Yet somehow it worked. And that's because of Chris Evans' passion and 100% dedication to this role. What's more amazing is I'm old enough to remember him as the human torch from those old Fantastic Four movies. And he is completely different there.  He's fun to watch. He's always screwing around. And Captain America is very much straight laced by the books. Well, besides Civil War. But for the most part, he's the guy you turn to when you want someone you can trust. Chris Evans nails it. It wouldn't be a legit list by me if I didn't find some way to kind of cheat. I'm putting the entire Guardians of the Galaxy roster on here, even Mantis. Because she was so great in Endgame running towards the combat and doing absolutely nothing. By themselves, I like all these characters. Peter Quill slash Star Lord, Rocket, Groot, Gamora, Drax. But when you combine their personalities, this family really shines. It's like the Adams family. You know, Pugsley and Wednesday and Gomez, they're all solid by themselves. But it's really the team. It's that cohesive unit that works so well. I debated Moving Thor up to the number one slot on my list. I also debated not even having him on this at all. Yeah, it's controversial. I was fighting with myself deep inside where the heart should be, but it's been gone for many years. Thor and, to a lesser extent, Hulk have been changed the most throughout these films. Thor in, I think, a better way than not. In the first outing, Thor is far more serious. Even in the second one, of course, he cracks some jokes and he is playful here and there. But for the most part, he's like 90% stoke and serious. And I feel like it was Joss Whedon who really kind of pulled that comedy out of Chris Hemsworth more. He saw something there and he lightened him up a lot in Avengers and especially in Age of Ultron. And I don't know exactly when those web videos came out where he's got the roommate, but those were hilarious. It could easily be an entire series on Netflix or on the Disney thing that they're coming out with. And it was obviously a jumping off point for a far more hilarious Thor in Ragnarok. Yet in Ragnarok, he's still able to balance this because of a great script with those serious moments, with those painful moments, with those powerful superhuman god-like moments. Then we get to Infinity War. Things are a lot more serious. We're still seeing him have fun. We're still seeing him balance in dialogue and jokes off the Guardians. But when it's time for business, Thor gets down to it. And my god, that is some awesome stuff. I turned to people and I said when he was forging the axe and especially when he smashed down and everybody had an immigrant song playing in their heads, that is how you do Superman. That is how Superman's done. He's a god. He is perfect in pretty much every way. So you have to give him internal conflicts. You have to give him reasons to fight that are captivating, that are emotional. And they absolutely knocked it out of the park with Thor in Ragnarok and Infinity War. And then for some reason decided to throw it all the way in Endgame, a movie that I think is praised far too much. It would have been one thing to make Thor a punchline for a little bit.  I get it. You know, he's lost his way. He's sad. He's disheartened. But to keep him like that for the entire film was just such a, it just felt such a betrayal to the character after he's been through so much already. The MCU is on like their 23rd or 24th film at this point. I don't even know. It's been running for 10 years or so. And it reminds me of a great TV show that's maybe going on a little too long. The characters have all become characters of themselves. They are kind of a shadow of what they used to be. And it's kind of like that line in Dark Knight.  I'm paraphrasing. But you get what I'm saying. And I think that that's what's happening to some of these characters. Like I said, Thor and Hulk, however, they did right by one man. And that's Robert Downey Jr.  He can do whatever he wants. He's not humble. He doesn't really seem to care about people beneath him until the end of the first Iron Man. But even then, he's still, you know, he's kind of a drunk. He's sloppy. He's messy. And that gets pulled away in Iron Man 2. And by the third one, and by Avengers Age of Ultron, he's really becoming a leader with Captain America, their buddy heads of course. And they're not seeing eye to eye, but he's still growing in these films. And once we get to Infinity War, it all comes to a head. He's learned to let go. He's learned to trust someone other than himself for a change. He's learned that he can't do it all himself. And I think that it's such a powerful story arc. And Robert Downey is such a great actor and is such a perfect role for him to play. And they ended it on the best note they possibly could, self-sacrifice. It's always been his message. It's always been the thing that he knew he would have to do. And he knew that he could accomplish his goal finally because he did have faith in others. He had that trust there. And what a great out for him. What a great finish to that story. I don't know how you could not put Robert Downey, Iron Man as number one.   Thanks for watching. I hope you agree with my list. If you don't, that's fine, too. Let me know in the comments below, subscribe if you like hot takes or movie feuds or occasional car sight review. I do all of that and more at Adam Does Movies. Take care.


Five, four, three, two, one, Happy Merry Christmas! The Copley Square Holiday Tree is lit for the season. Revolvers gathered in the hundreds for the annual event, taking a break from that cyber Monday shopping. The tree just lit here in Copley Square and many are saying this is their first taste of the holiday season. We've been looking around all the shops to buy some Christmas presents so we can take them home with us. So they came all the way from America. Mayer Menino is criss-crossing the city to attend tree lighting in his final month in office. The event put on by the Boston Parks and Recreation Department also welcomed Mayor-elect Marty Walsh into special appearance by Santa Claus himself. The countdown is on 22 days till Christmas and for BUTV, I'm Matt Unis.


In the book of Psalm 23, God gave us two promises. Promise number one, He will guide you through it. Promise number two, He will protect you and comfort you in the midst of it. Those are the two promises.  Sometimes we try too much and what we need to do instead is to trust. You try, you try, you try and all you need to do is to trust. In the value of the shadow death, it says nothing about trying. It talks only about trusting. Trust that God knows what He's doing in the midst of it.


Hey everyone, what's going on? I am Greg Susman joined today by Jim Sonnis who's here to break down divisional playoff weekend. A daily fantasy perspective. What's happening, Jim? Well, good Greg. We get to watch Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson play football this weekend. So I can't complain. I am extremely excited for this slate. Got some cheap wide receivers to target. So gonna be a good weekend. How are you doing? I'm wearing my blue today for Joe Judge. All rise. And we'll hopefully stay out of the kitchens. But let's look forward to divisional playoff weekend. Let's start at the quarterbacks by looking for a value play. There are obviously eight quarterbacks to choose from. You're going with the best looking one potentially. That's Jimmy J. I think the Sean Watson could give him a run for his money in that department, but I think, you know, it's at least one A, one B there for sure. But the good thing about Jimmy Garoppolo outside of his looks is that he's pretty cheap here at $7,800. I want to get to Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes as often as I can. But Garoppolo is a pretty good way to save money if you want to get to guys like Travis Kelsey and George Kittle instead. At $7,800 he is at home. He is a pretty big favorite. And the concern around Garoppolo is about his floor. His floor is quite bad because the 49ers could get out front. They could run the ball a whole bunch and he could fail to score that many points. But we have seen Garoppolo have a couple of spike weeks recently. Since Emmanuel Sanders joined the team with George Kittle being healthy, we've seen Garoppolo get 28 fangirl points twice in that time and that's a decent ceiling to have. And you kind of do need that if you're going to forego guys like Mahomes and Jackson. That's like, you need someone who can get you a ceiling. The floor is not as big of a concern because if you want a floor, you get to Mahomes, you get to Jackson. You're not looking down here for a good floor guy. But I think that Garoppolo does have that ceiling. The Vikings secondary is banged up. Mackenzie Alexander is not going to play this game. They've had a pretty good number of injuries in that secondary. So once you get past guys, you know, even the shell of Xavier Rhodes and Harris and Smith, there's not a lot of depth in that secondary. And we know that the 49ers past catchers that got options, that's good for Garoppolo. So if you want to get floor at quarterback, this is not the week to spend down. You could go for Russell Wilson maybe because he has been running a bit more recently, but you want to spend up if you want a floor. If you want a ceiling, I think that Garoppolo has a path to a big game and probably won't be all that popular and he is very cheap as well. So I like Jimmy G a pretty decent amount. I'm trying to get to Mahomes and Jackson whenever I can, but if I absolutely must spend down, I do think Garoppolo is a pretty good route for doing so. Spending down for Jimmy G, a fine route going up to Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, it's going to be the more fun to do, the more popular thing to do. You want to save a little money, go for some of these bigger named skill position players. Jimmy G, a fine option.  Let's move on to the running backs here, Jim. We can save a little bit of money. Last week, your boy was Devin Singletary. He was your favorite player on the slate and he was fantastic. This week, your first running back, you're mentioning here is Damien Williams for the Chiefs. Why do you like him? I assume it has something to do with the $6,900 price tag. Yeah, very nice salary and that's part of the reason why Damien Williams is my favorite player on this entire slate, similar to Devin Singletary last week. And the reason we were on Devin Singletary last week is because his role was better than his salary would indicate. With Damien Williams, his role is better than his salary would indicate. He came back in week 16 from that injury, played 53% of the snaps, and then in week 17, a game where they wanted to win, try to get that first round by, which they did, he played 70% of the snaps. We've seen Williams play at least 70% of the snaps and now three separate games this year. He has played 50% in seven games and in those seven games, he has averaged 12.9 carries and 4.6 targets per game. When you get that tied to Patrick Mahomes at home as a 10-point favorite, you're gonna take that every time. He is, I think, again, my favorite player on this slate by a mile at any position. There are some good value receivers, but Damien Williams is cheap. He is tied to a great quarterback. He is at home. He is a big favorite. He checks every box. You don't have to spend a whole lot to get there. So there won't be a whole lot of lineups I use this weekend that won't have Damien Williams. I think that his path to failure is pretty tough and even if he doesn't score a touchdown, he can still pay off, which is similar to Singletary last week. So give me Damien Williams wherever I can get him. He's just too cheap for me to pass him up. Damien Williams, a fine choice. That price really too good to pass out like you're saying. In this explosive offense, you want as many pieces as you can get. This is an affordable one. So make sure you hop in. Damien Williams at $6,900. The second running back value play may be a little bit tougher, or it'll be way easier depending on what happens with Mark Ingram. Obviously Gus Edwards is in there potentially, but if Mark Ingram plays, who else can we start? It'll save us a little bit of money in our lineups. Yeah, as you mentioned, if Mark Ingram can't go, it's Gus Edwards as the value play. He'd be my favorite running back on this slate if we don't get Mark Ingram because he's $5,400, played a ton of snaps in week 17, got a lot of carries. I would love him if we got him, but if we don't get him, it's tough. And I think that Duke Johnson would be my favorite potentially under the same assumption that we had with Damien Williams where the Chiefs pull away in this game because in the games the Texans have lost this year, Duke Johnson's average snap rate is 55%. He did get three targets in that wildcard game. And the thing we like about Duke Johnson is that he is efficient in his touches, both as a running back and as a wide receiver because teams are assuming they're passing if Duke Johnson is out there, which means his rushing attempts are pretty efficient, but he can also get you yardage through the air. And I think that for $5,600, that is enough to at least put him on the map. Now I would like to avoid being down here if at all possible. You can go Carlos Hyde as well, a bit more expensive. If Mark Ingram is fully healthy, I like him quite a bit too as a more expensive running back. So ideally we're not down here unless Mark Ingram does wind up sitting. But if you're playing on that Sunday only slate, you do have to find running back somewhere. And I think that Duke Johnson is an okay way to go assuming that the Chiefs get out front and force the Texans to pass. Duke Johnson, he's not gonna get 10 carries. He's not gonna get 10 targets, but I think that he is efficient enough in his workload and the workload should be good enough. We can go here about 4.6 targets per game in games that they lose. I think that's enough on a short slate to justify using Duke Johnson as a value play. We'll see how much action Duke Johnson gets. If Houston's coming from behind, well, he'll play a lot more. If they're trying to play the ball control game, it'll be a lot of Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson won't get the amount of touches that we hope. And that's kind of been the theme for Duke Johnson this year. We always expected more and we just didn't get it. Hopefully you put him in your lineups on Sunday. We will get that opportunity. Remember, Mark Ingram is out for any reason, mainly the calf, but he doesn't play on Sunday. Gus Edwards, a must start in all formats. Let's move on to the wide receivers here, Jim. And that brings us to Emmanuel Sanders. You went with Jimmy G. You're pairing him up with Mandy Sanders. He's priced at under $6,000. I know a lot of players are in on Debo. Samuel, you're in on Mandy Sanders. How come? Yeah, I like Debo too, because he's been getting a lot of rushing attempts recently, which means the team wants the ball in his hand. So I will not talk you out of Debo, but Mandy's actually cheaper. He is $5,700 for the Saturday through Sunday slate, whereas Debo is 61. And Debo is actually $6,600 for the Saturday only slate. So you're getting a good amount of savings on Emmanuel Sanders and actually a better receiving workload. If we look at the games this year where both George Kittle and Emmanuel Sanders have been healthy, Mandy actually has 21% of the targets and 33% of the deep targets. Both those numbers are better than what Debo Samuel has gotten in those same spans. And again, as we talked about Jimmy G, this Viking secondary is pretty banged up. So I would expect the 49ers to be efficient in passing when they do decide to pass. Now, how often will they do that? That's a big question here, but I don't like the running backs here. I have to go at somewhere. And I think that the most logical path is with Emmanuel Sanders. He is cheap at 57, that allows me to pay up for my quarterback, maybe my tight end as well, and get to guys like Dalvin Cook at running back. And Emmanuel Sanders workload is very good. I would expect this 49ers team to be decently efficient. So again, not talking out to Debo, I love George Kittle as well. I think he is my favorite tight end on this slate. But Emmanuel Sanders is very cheap, has a good workload, and I think he has a good matchup as well. So for $5,700, I think he is a fine way to save salary at Wide Receiver. Not in the wide receiver you're choosing in San Francisco. They're both solid options here in this matchup for the Niners. And Emmanuel Sanders will allow you to save a bit of cash and put some other superstars, hopefully in your lineup centers. A fine place to start, always good theoretically for like a six for 75, maybe get a touchdown. Hopefully he'll be even more involved in Kyle Shanahan's playoff debut. One more wide receiver to mention here on today's program, and that's the Lizard. Alan Lazard gets a mention. I talked a lot about Lazard last week as I was making my playoff team. He's priced at $5,400. And what's really cool about Lazard is the amount of targets he has seen in recent weeks with Aaron Rodgers. Remember the Packers, they still had someone to play for in weeks 16 and 17. Lazard's involved in his tube exposure on a team that you used to always want exposure to. I know it hasn't always been that way this year, but you have to like Lazard, especially at this price. Yeah, the role for Lazard has actually been pretty good for the past three weeks. He didn't get a lot of targets in week 15, but in that game, he played 75% of the snaps, which was his most in the game that Devonta Adams has been active this year. And he's actually hit 75% in both games since then as well. So a three game sample on Alan Lazard as effectively the number two wide receiver in this offense. In those three games, he has 17% of the team's target. So a good involvement there, but he's getting deep, deep falling. And that's good. And that's what we want. We want guys who get looks downfield and Lazard has gotten that. He has averaged 2.7 deep targets per game in this three game sample. He had three deep targets in week 16. He had five in week 17 because Aaron Rodgers threw deep 23 freaking times. Didn't work out that well for Aaron Rodgers, but it was still encouraging to see him chunking it deep. And a lot of those did go to Alan Lazard. So what you're getting here is cheap exposure to Aaron Rodgers at home for $5,400 against a defense that isn't all that great. The Seahawks kind of middle of the pack, ones who adjust for their schedule defensively. So not a bad matchup. And a lot of the attention for that Seahawks defense will be on rightfully Devonta Adams. So there are a really good number of cheap value wide receivers on this slate. We talked about Emmanuel Sanders. I think we'll fuller if he goes as good. I like Marquis Brown under the assumption that the snap rate goes up in a must-win game. And I think you could, if you hate yourself enough, talk about Sandy Walkins as well at $5,200. So you've got options down here, but among the guys $5,500 or lower, I think Lazard is my favorite. Given the offense he plays in and given the role he has played, it's good cheap volume and he should be efficient in it. So Alan Lazard, among the guys below $5,500 is my favorite for the divisional round. Your favorite target at the wide receiver position, it's Alan Lazard. You mentioned 15 through 17, how many targets and how just often he has been on the field and a part of this Aaron Rodgers led offense is a good spot. Sure, you want Devonta Adams. Devonta Adams, well, it's gonna be a tough matchup for him against Seattle and the Griffin's and whatnot.  Let's move on to the tight end position here, Jim. And when we look at tight end, it looks Kyle Rudolph scored the game winning touchdown for Minnesota in overtime against New Orleans. Now he may have a different pair of gloves that he's wearing on Sunday. You're still going with him. I'll come. Yeah, we're talking about the gloves, we're talking about the push off, we're talking about the touchdown, but we're not talking about the role change that Kyle Rudolph got last week, which I think is interesting because it was a game the Vikings had to win and they rode Kyle Rudolph more than they have done the entire season. His 92% snap rate was his highest since week two and his seven targets were the most he has gotten all year long. Part of that's because the game went to overtime, but I think seeing that snap rate be that high and the targets be that high indicates that the Vikings are very comfortable riding him this deep in the air, which is not something I would have expected given Rudolph's advanced age, the fact that he hasn't always looked that great on the field, but he missed, he made a couple of missed tackles in that game against the Saints too, didn't expect that. And we know the Vikings will go here in the red zone as they have done for a long time. So I did not expect to be in on Kyle Rudolph once Adam Thielen got healthy. I expected it's just to be Stefan Diggs, Adam Thielen and Dalvin Cook, but last week really did change my mind when it came to Kyle Rudolph. I think that he and Jacob Hollister are kind of the two tight ends who stand out to me below $6,000, but Hollister's upside is something I would very much question. For Rudolph, I think the two touchdown game is within his range of outcomes and he's gonna get volume and be on the field. I like that quite a bit. So I'm not gonna write off Jacob Hollister, I think that he still has a path to a good game, but I think that Rudolph is a bit clearer and his upside may be a little bit higher. So I'm gonna favor Rudolph down here. Obviously we wanna get to Travis Kelsey and George Kittle when we can, but you're not gonna always be able to get there if you're spending up a quarterback. And I think that Kyle Rudolph is where I wanna go most often when spending down at this position. Whether Jacob Hollister or Kyle Rudolph, both tight ends don't cost you a whole lot and put you in a position to be successful. Jim mentioned how Minnesota's offense has changed over in recent weeks. Even with Dalvin Cook and Alexander Madison back in the lineup, how Rudolph has been a part of the offense in the red zone. Even though the play wasn't called for him. See, he still came down on the touchdown. We'll see if he can do the same against San Francisco on Sunday. That's what you're doing for us here on the Vandal Hurry Up. We appreciate the time. Good luck this week. Jim, we'll talk to you next week. Looking forward to Greg and just looking forward to an awesome play to football this weekend and just enjoying some really fun football games. So it's going to be a delight and we will talk to you again next week. Good luck to you too this weekend. I appreciate it, my man. Tomorrow, Gabe Maretsi will join me and give us his six best bets for the Division of Playoff weekend. For Jim Sanis, I'm Greg Sussman. Have a great night and we'll see you tomorrow.


Okay, whoop, I already recorded most of this video, but I forgot to press record on my computer. So hopefully things go better this time. In a previous video, I showed how you can stream your Android screen across the network through SSH to a desktop computer, and I said I was gonna do a follow-up video, and that would be really short, because it's one simple command, but based on the comments on my last video, I realized I'm gonna have to not just show how to do this, but explain things a little bit more. So this is gonna be a longer video, but I'm gonna show you things on a desktop computer on how to stream the desktop from one machine to another using FFMpeg and SSH, and we're gonna do something similar on our phone here. Now I'm not streaming through SSH the way we are going to be doing right now. Right now I'm streaming through USB using a program called, I think it's pronounced screen copy. It's spelt SCR CPY, in repositories for most Debian distributions I've talked about in the past. All you need to do is enable ADB, hook up USB, run that command, and you'll start viewing your screen on your desktop computer. It's very responsive, and not only can you view it, but on my desktop, I can actually use my keyboard and mouse to open up applications and type things, which in the end, what we're doing today, you won't be able to control the device remotely that way, although theoretically you could probably set something up like that, but we're just gonna be streaming the video to the screen from one machine to another. But there are a few things you need to realize. First of all, one of the questions was, do you need a beefy machine to do this? No, no, this phone was $100, brand new, I've done, actually no, that phone, my actual phone, this one was only $50, and my laptop is a ThinkPad that I bought used for about $150. So not beefy hardware at all, I've shown you in the last few years how much lag there was, almost none, just a little bit. Now, I don't know if that compounds over time, like if you're streaming it for like an hour, is it gonna all of a sudden start lagging more? I haven't gone that far. But you'll have different compression options, but I'm saying but a lot. I have another computer over there. So right now we're gonna look at my desktop and I am going to show you exactly what we're doing, I'm gonna try to explain a little bit more, but another thing you need to remember is an Android device is a computer. It is not just a computer, but it's a Linux computer. A lot of people say Android isn't really Linux. It is, it's running a Linux kernel, which is just a piece of software that allows the software on the device to communicate with the hardware. This is a Linux device just as much as my Debian devices, Debian desktop laptop is a Linux device. Yes, it has a funny file structure and yes, weird permissions, but it's a Linux system, nonetheless, and a lot of what you do, almost all that you do on your desktop, you can do on your Android device natively with a few exceptions. Now, the exception isn't that we're running Linux on that and not this. It's that we're running Xorg on this, our X display and not on this. So that will come into play here, but don't worry, hopefully everything will make sense once I jump in here. So let me go ahead, jump over to my screen here and start explaining stuff. Okay, let's move things over to this screen. So let me go ahead and again, right here I am running through USB, I'm streaming my screen, but let's go ahead and just kill that. As I said, I have a computer on the other side of the room, so it's on the network and of course you can do this across the internet if you need to, but we are going to use FFMpeg. What I'm gonna say here is, let me go ahead and jump to these notes I have here real quick so I can just copy and paste a command. So what is this command doing? What is FFMpeg? FFMpeg, if you don't know, is a program that is used for converting and compressing video files. That's the main purpose of it and it's used all over the place. Pretty sure when you upload videos to YouTube, it's probably using FFMpeg to compress those videos to different formats. What we're doing here is we're not compressing or converting a video, we're not grabbing something from a camera. We're saying, okay, dash F, that means this file, this is the input file, what do we want? We want to use our X11's grab. We're gonna grab our X11, which is our display manager on many Linux distributions. Again, if you're using something like Waylin, I would assume that you could probably do this, but it's gonna be a different command. Then we're gonna say input for display zero, which is actually all three of my screens here. I've got three screens, but they're all different parts of display zero. Then I'm gonna say F for file output, AVI. And you can give it lots of parameters. You can give it resolution, frame rate. You can also say how you want to compress. Here I'm just saying use the default AVI settings, which the quality is not gonna be the best. Now I can here say output.AVI. And let me make sure that's output one, because I might already have a file on here from the last recording. So I'm gonna do that. And right now it's actually recording all three of my displays. I can hit Control C to finish that. If I list out, you can see here I have output one AVI. And if I use something like MPV, which is my preferred video player, I can play that and you'll see the few seconds of video of all three of my displays being played there. Now, what I can also do is instead of saying put it in this file, I can say dash, okay? What is the dash going to do? Well, dash is saying put it to standard output. Mainly, basically what it's saying is instead of putting in a file, just dump it all right here to the terminal. So I do that and right away we just start seeing what you might think is just garbledy cook. I'm gonna Control C to kill that. Control L to clear the screen. That was actually our AVI file. It's a binary file, but being displayed to the screen instead of being sent to a file. But we could also just say, okay, whoops. Pipe that into FF Play. And FF Play is a player that comes with FFMpeg. And I'm gonna say dash to say, read what's being piped into it. So we do that, takes a second to buffer, and then we will start getting it on the screen here. So there's gonna be a second or two delay here because the buffering was also a very high resolution because it's three displays. But we're viewing it, okay? So we're doing it, we're recording the screen and then just piping it right into a player on the same device. Well, how do we do that across the network? Well again, SSH, if I didn't say earlier, SSH, we think of that as a shell. So we're logging to remote machine as a shell, but SSH can be used for tunneling or piping anything encrypted through a network or across the internet around the world. So you can get a shell, you can also share files, move them back and forth. You can pipe audio and video. You can even run applications, GUI, you know, graphical applications through SSH if you want. Anything you wanna do on a computer, you can do encrypted through SSH across the network or the internet. And that's exactly what we're going to do now. So what I'm gonna say here, again, I have a machine over there that I actually booted off a flash drive. It's a fresh boot of MX Linux and all I've done is installed FFMPEG and open SSH server on it. So I can say SSH, I give it the username of that device, which is demo on the live USB. I can say at its IP address. And then I'm going to put this first FFMPEG command into quotations. And what this is saying is, connect to this computer using SSH as this user and then run this command. Then outside of the quotations, we're saying pipe that to this current machine to FF Play. We're gonna say dash to get the input. And then we're just gonna say, this is basically dumping any extra output that would normally show up in the terminal into null so it's not taking up stuff on the screen. And otherwise you wouldn't see the login prompt. So we're gonna run that. It's gonna ask for my password. So I'm gonna type that and give it a second to buffer. And all of a sudden we're looking at the screen on the other computer. And again, it's just capturing the display as a video file and then dumping it through the network encrypted using SSH and dumping it into a player. Now again, I'm using the default AVI options. So the quality is a little gurgly, but you can set a bunch of different things. I don't wanna get too much into the settings of it, but here I can not control this. This is just a video and you can also stream audio from the microphone. We're just doing video right now but you can add a command to FFMPEG to stream audio from the microphone or output of the speakers as well. But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna walk across the room here. So my audio might get a little low as I walk across, but I'm gonna walk over there and actually right now on this laptop, the screen has gone to sleep. So I can't even see what you're seeing over there. So once I move the mouse, I can start seeing stuff. And what I'm gonna do is here is I'm going to click and drag. So yeah, one to two seconds delay in this case. But again, this is not for controlling the remote machine. It's just reviewing it. So a second or two delay isn't really an issue because you're just like viewing something. So this could be for piping the display into a file remotely or just for monitoring what's going on on other systems. I don't like using VNC very much, although you can pipe VNC through a SSH server because VNC by default isn't encrypted. And if you don't know, VNC is software that's been around since the 90s and it basically is just for remote connection to desktops. And this is kind of the same concept except we're not giving it remote controls with mouse and keyboard. Okay, so we've done that with our desktop. How do we do this on our Android device? Well, okay, let me go ahead and bring up my display here again. And I have, I'll try, there we go. Just installed a fresh install of Turmux. Now, I installed it and I just updated the repositories. I haven't installed anything yet in Turmux. What is Turmux? Okay, so Turmux is basically a shell that you can install on Android device. It should be in your package manager, or your package manager, your app store. It's an fDroid, which I highly recommend using. And it's not a virtual machine. It's not an emulator. It's somewhat kind of like a churroot, which is basically telling you to use a certain directory as your main root directory. It's kind of like that, but basically what it's doing is it's linking different directories and saying use these directories so that you can have, its main purpose is it gives you a bunch of tools and a package manager to allow you to install and run applications easily that you normally install on a desktop Linux system. Again, it's not emulations. It's doing it natively on an Android device because you're using the Linux kernel. And that's what I used in my video. So do you need to be root? It is one of the questions that came up in the comments. Yes and no. No, you don't need to be root to do this. Yes, if you are in the way that I originally displayed using Turmux. And let me explain why. So again, this is my phone here. Let me go ahead and split my screen over here. Make this full screen. If I ADV shell, now I am at the default Android shell on this device, okay? So this is the shell that you will have on pretty much every Android device and what you can do. And if I type in screen and hit tab, you can see we have two options, screen capture and screen record. If I actually pull down on my Android device here and I swipe over, you see you have the screen record option? That is basically what we're doing here. This is really old versions of Android. This isn't here in the shell, but all modern versions of Android for the last couple of years, I don't remember what version they brought in. There's the screen record device. All I have to do is say screen record and you can pass the different options for like what file format you want and how much you wanna see on the screen. But I'm just gonna say SD card. So I'm telling it where I wanna save it. I'm gonna save it to my internal storage here and I'll just say screen.mp4. And when I hit enter here, it's giving me an error. And my bet is it's probably because this is running.  So we're just saying, let me clear the screen so you can see clearly what I'm typing here. We're just typing screen record and where we wanna save the video output file to. And it has to be somewhere you have right access to. So the SD card, which is the internal storage. I'll hit enter. And right now it's recording. What's on my Android screen? So I'll just start touching the screen, blah, blah, blah. And I'll hit control C to stop that. And again, screen record actually has options where you can say stop recording after a certain amount of time and this and that. But what I'm gonna do here now, yeah. I'll bring this up again. And if I actually go into, do I have a file manager here? Again, this is like a fresh install. And I can go here and I called it screen MP4. I can play it. This is what I just recorded, right? Me just touching stuff on the screen and typing random things. So again, that is the same as me pulling down from here and pressing record there. Now I don't need root to do that. I'm at the default ADB shell here and I can just run that command. The problem is if I was to do that in termux, termux does not necessarily have the permissions to access that. So if I go into termux and I type in screen record, is it screen recorder or screen recorder? Screen record, command not found. Yeah, screen record. Let me actually go here again. I'm gonna try something. I'm gonna say which screen record. And let me go ahead and type out the full. So I'll say system bin just to make sure that's not the case. Oh, you know what? Let me try something output.mp4. Okay. Oh wait, I'm recording. Again, that doesn't work when I'm doing this.  It's recording. So I thought I needed to be root to do that. I just learned something new. No, you don't need to be root to do this. So let's go ahead, let me go ahead and kill that. Sorry, I can't record and display that at the same time. But let me go ahead now that I just learned something new and what we're gonna do next is we are going to TKG install open SSH and let that run. Okay, we installed open SSH. Now we need to generate some keys. Let me give me a second here. And I searched termux SSH and I'm gonna click here remote access. They give you some options here and here we're going to see. So I think I need to set up a password real quick, password authentication. So we're going to say, and I'm just going to say, well, let me just do something like this. Okay, I typed in demo since that's the password on the other demo machine. Okay, now I should be able to say SSHD. And now, again, by default, SSH will run on port 22 but you need special permissions to run stuff on port 22. So by default, termux has it set up to run on port 8022. So what I should be able to do is over here, type in IPA or IF config, if I can config, and I can see 126. So going back over here to my desktop machine, I'm gonna type in SSH <IP_ADDRESS>, I said, port 8022. And okay, so this is because I've redone this machine since then. It's saying basically, last time I connected to this IP address, it was a different device and it's making sure that security keys are transmitted properly. I'm gonna remove the previous thing. Sorry, that's again, if you have an IP address or a server and you change the keys, since this is a fresh installed saying, okay, last time you connected to the device, it had different settings. So I just cleared that out. So this first time connecting, I'm gonna say, yes, share security keys. And I said the password was demo. Now I am at this device. So you can see, even though I'm on my desktop here, I'm SSH'd into my machine. That's all you have to do to set up SSH on Turmux and that's why I'm using Turmux. Now you can install SSH without Turmux. You can use something like Drop Bear, but Turmux just makes it easy. So now that I have this going, let me go back over here and let's go to my settings here.  I ran this command. So I need to put in the IP address. Did I say that this is like a more advanced video? It's a 26, right? Yeah. So we're saying here, and you don't have to put in a username for when you're connecting to Turmux. We're saying SSH into this machine, port 8022, then I ran pseudo because I thought I needed a root, but I should be able to say system, bin, and then screen record. Here I'm just specifically saying use H264 format, pipe the output to my current machine. Now I'm going to run that and I say demo. And theoretically, I thought I killed, let's try how I normally do it. We're going to set up pseudo. So this is a rooted device. Just doing this will not give you root on a device, but I am going to SSH into this device. And this is just, we're gonna install git, git's gonna pull down a Turmux. It's basically a shell script that fakes pseudo commands. And so now I should be able to pseudo, I don't know, date, whatever, and it's asking me on my screen, grant permission. And okay, so that worked. Now let's exit out, let's go here to this, and I'm going to say pseudo demo. Okay. Okay, I've played around and I've discovered some things. Okay, so right now this is the original thing I did where I used pseudo, right? So we're gonna SSH into Turmux, pseudo screen record, and that, and we're gonna get an error here. I'll type it in and it's gonna give me this error. And that's because last time when I tried doing recording on the device and I stopped screen record, it's actually still running in the background. If I ADB into this device, and I say busy box, and I say PSAUX to see processes and I grep for screen, you can see here that screen record is actually still running, even though I thought I killed it.  So now it's dead. Now I can go back, I can run this command, hit enter, type in my password, give it a second here to connect, and now you can see that I am looking at my device, right? And there's again about a second lag. So cool. If I try to kill out of that and run it again, you'll see that we got the same error. So it's just not killing screen record properly on this device. So SU, kill all screen record. So that's one issue. Now, although I can SSH in and I can run the screen record command without sudo, and it saves to a file, if I try to pipe it to the output, just like this, it's not piping anything, right? So I'll run it again, it's not giving, it's just, there's gonna be no output. In fact, if I was to remove this F play command, nothing comes as output. For some reason, that's not working. So as of right now, doing it this way through Turmux, I do need sudo or root for screen record, even though I can run screen record without that, that doesn't make any sense to me. So let's talk about what I originally was gonna talk about in this video because I kind of went down a rabbit hole there a little bit. Let's go ahead and kill all record, just to make sure that it's dead. So, okay, I'm at the ADB shell now, okay? So we've taken Turmux out of the situation, out of the equation. We can pipe video through the network in many different ways. SSH is a clean and easy way to do it. And again, you can install a small version of SSH server and client using a program called Drop Bear, which is very common on routers and modems, and that sort of stuff, lightweight ARM devices. And you can find tutorials on that out online. I haven't tried this, but I would assume you could use Socat as well. I've talked about Socat in the past that allows you to create encryption keys and transport things through the network encrypted. But what about just unencrypted, right? So we're talking about not using Turmux, not using SSH, and just using default things, kind of default things on an Android device. Now, right now I'm on lineageOS, and there is a copy of Busybox on here. It's labeled Busybox underscore PHH, but it's still just Busybox. And I've talked about Busybox so many times in the past. I've shown how to get it. You can get pre-compiled binaries, you can compile it yourself for all different architectures. It's on many, many different devices. A lot of Android devices have it, but not all Android devices have it. If you have stock firmware on your device, you may not have Busybox, you may have Toybox, which is someone trying to recreate Busybox. In fact, I think it might even be some of the same developers that created Busybox, but under a different license. And it isn't as full-featured, but it's very easy to put Busybox on any Linux device, whether it be an ARM device, you know, an XA6 device, all these different, any architecture you can think of, MIPS devices, it's a single binary that has usually all of these applications built into it. Okay, and one of those applications is NC, and I've also talked about in the past, there's NC, which could be pointing towards Netcat or NCAT, which for years I thought were the same applications, but clearly they're not. But we are gonna use Busybox and NC now to pipe things through the network, the way we did the SSH, except for this is not gonna be encrypted. So theoretically, someone could be sniffing your network and see everything you're looking at. Take that into account. I'll link to notes, these notes in the description of this video, where is, I don't have those notes up. Let's go to filmsbychris.com, my website, right? And we're gonna go to software, we'll click on notes. And here I'm just gonna type in Busybox, Android, stream Android screen with Busybox NC. So I just did this the other day after you guys commented on stuff. And what we're gonna do is on my desktop, I'm gonna run this command, okay? What I'm saying here is start up a server on my desktop and pipe whatever comes into it into our FPLAY file, okay? So top screen here, my desktop, I have Busybox installed. This is Busybox on my desktop.  L is for listen, P is for port. I'm gonna give it a port. I'm saying 8022 here. It really doesn't really matter as long as you have access to that port. And then we're gonna say, okay, anything that comes in to this server, pass it to FFPLAY and read the standard input. Down here I'm gonna ADB into my device. And what I'm going to say is from my notes here, I'm gonna copy and paste this and I'll put a link to these notes in the description of the video. We're saying use the screen record command. We're gonna give it this type of output. We're gonna pipe it to standard output into Busybox. On this particular device, it's Busybox underscore PH, but just depends on where you have Busybox installed to. Now we're gonna say NC and give it the IP address of my desktop machine. And I'll come up here. I'll start this server. I'll come down here. I'll start this and start touching stuff on your screen because I'm pretty sure screen record on Android is only really sending stuff. It's only really recording when you're actually moving stuff on the screen. So here we're doing this and it's through the network. It's completely unencrypted. No username, no password. Anybody on your network theoretically could be sniffing this. They could be seeing what you're seeing. So it's not a very secure way to do it, but it's working through the network. And so let me go swipe to the left. So yeah, about a second delay. It works. No root, no special tools. Screen record is installed on your device by default. Busybox may or may not. Check Toybox may have some sort of NC command, but I bet it's not fully flushed out. Not as developed as NC on Busybox. But again, search my videos on YouTube for Busybox or go to filmsbychrist.com and search netcat. And I'm sure, or Busybox, I mean, I have videos you can get, binaries from the standard Busybox website, static builds for pretty much all architectures. But yeah, so that's it. And again, yeah, I'm trying to swipe here. You can't swipe here. You're not controlling the device with this, but you see there's nothing coming through the screen here. Cause again, screen record on Android is only recording when you're actually stuff's changing on the screen, which keeps the file compressed, which is nice. So if you start this and nothing comes up on the screen right away, start moving stuff on the screen. But you can see the kilobytes coming through here, but only when I'm swiping stuff on the screen. I showed you lots of things. I hope I didn't confuse you. Again, you don't need root to do this, although the simplest way to set it up and the most secure way is using SSH and SSH through Turmux, in which case I had weird, again, I kind of went down a rabbit hole a little bit here. Installing SSH is easy. Apparently you can screen record in Turmux, but when I try to screen record through Turmux without root, it doesn't work, but does with root, but recording the screen works without root. It doesn't make any sense to me. If anyone can figure that out and let me know, I'm done. I've taken all morning to record this video that should have been like a five minute video if I just showed you how to do it, but I'm trying to explain stuff to you and hopefully you learned something new. You can pipe anything from one computer to another computer through a network. You can do it unencrypted easily with NC or Netcat or NCAT, again, I have a video about how there's slight differences between those, but the best way to pipe anything through a network, the simplest thing is SSH. SSH, it's secure and it runs on everything. So yeah, I hope you learned something. I hope I didn't go down too many rabbit holes. I hope you enjoyed this video. So let me know below. Did you, again, this would have been a short video, but there were so many comments and questions. I thought I'd go more in depth on what's happening and said to showing how to do it. And I hope I didn't confuse things. If you want to come back and just do a simple video on this without all the explanation, I can do that too. But yeah, you don't need root, although why don't you have your device rooted? I know everyone goes, it's a security issue, which is a little bit, right? Because having root or pseudo access on the device is not a bad thing. As an owner of a device, you should have that. The problem is with Android, there's no password. Once you've enabled root, it's an okay button, which is like Windows level security. So really a lot of stuff Android does to make things more secure actually, in my opinion, make them less secure. But I couldn't survive. I don't do a whole lot of stuff as root on my device, but I do do stuff barely regularly. Same with my desktop. It's like, yeah, I'm not doing root stuff all the time, but occasionally I do. And just rooting a device, as long as you don't buy a device that is locked down by the manufacturer, if you unlock the bootloader, you can root it. You can do whatever you want. You should have that freedom. It's your device.  But yeah, I could not imagine not having my phone rooted or any of my devices I should have root access. It's my device. I also don't understand someone else in the comments said, oh, I've never run a server. Running servers is easy. It's usually just one command, but there's different types of servers. And I don't, again, all my devices. The first thing I do when I install a system is the packages I install. I install Apache on all my devices and I install SSH server because those are two things I'm going to use for everything. When I'm out and about anywhere on the road, when I'm on a road trip or at work, I want access to all my computers, my wife's computer, my kids' computers, my computer here. I have like three or four servers in the house. I want to be able to have access to all those and just enabling SSH allows you to do all of that. Okay.  Filmsbychrist.com. Chris with a K. There's a link in the description. Yes, I really spelled a name with a K. So if you comment below, it's K-R-I-S. Thank you for watching. As always, I hope that you have a great day.