ways. Thank you vice chair furser Lovely working with you folks Good luck with your evening. Thank you. So we will adjourn this meeting for 15 minutes and we will reconvene the designer review board I'd like to call to order the Regular meeting of the design review board for the city of santa rosa January 17th 2019 I wanted to take a minute before we move on to roll call to thank Both applicants members of the public and staff for their patience. Well, we grabbed a quick bite to eat We've been at it since 230 so of us a little bit earlier So we appreciate getting some sustenance to continue on this evening. So thank you With that patty, can I have a roll call, please? Let the record reflect that all board members are present except for board members weigel and zucco Thank you And moving on to item number two approval of the minutes item 2.1 or minutes from january 3rd 2019 Does anybody have any comments sabre? So sorry, I have no comment. I was going to move to approve Any comments on changes to the minutes Hearing none. Oh good. I might because when last time I looked at the minutes It didn't have any minutes in it. Maybe it's an updated version. I'm sorry so there were none of None of the board member comments At all or anything. It's like that in the minutes that I have is that Correct This is for item 6.1, which was preliminary and final design for the piner road assisted living residents Yeah, so approval of minutes for 2.1. Is that what we're talking about? Yeah, which was january 3rd. I see that In the draft minutes. Yes, I don't see any comments Yeah, um, we're having some problems with legislature So, um, I'll call the city clerk tomorrow and get some help with that to get the condition Put in the minutes Okay, thank you Okay, with notating that we're uh Going to add the comments into the minutes We'll leave it at that Great Okay, uh, we have board business Um Since some of you weren't here earlier. I uh welcomed a new board member first meeting today adam Sharon So welcome again. This is back to a regular meeting instead of a joint meeting. So you see how this rolls But welcome again And uh with the appointment of Myself as chairperson of the board, uh, we also need to appoint a vice chair And so we can either I had it put on the agenda so that it was an option to discuss tonight But we can certainly uh table it for the next meeting and hope that we might have both true and kevin Here with us. So what does everybody think? Are you looking for a motion for the vice chair or just a decision to punt until next Meeting hoping that we have a full quorum I'd make a motion To nominate warren hedge path as vice chair Warren, would you entertain continuing on as vice chair of the designer review board? Yes, I'm grateful to be alive and while i'm still alive. I would do so. Thank you so so I've got a motion from eric and the Acceptance to continue on as vice chair. Do I have a second? Sabra second I second Okay any discussion Patty can I get a roll call? Okay board members Brear. Yes gold schlong Hi hedge path Hi concave. Hi Sharon Hi Thank you. We cleaned up board business. Very nice eric Then thank you warren for continuing on as vice chair You can you can sit at my right For the time being I did such a good job before they will Okay, um, this is where I read the statement of purpose The review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties And the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan Applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project with the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements That is the direction of this board At this time, I would like to open up public comment on any items that are not on tonight's agenda Uh, those that are on the agenda, uh, we will have public comment during those agendized items Seeing no one approaching the microphone. I will close public comment Item number five statements of extension by board members Do we have any abstentions for tonight's item 6.1? or 6.2 Seeing none We will move on to our first scheduled item item 6.1 Which is a continued public hearing community baptist church foesteeple and building mounted minor telecommunication facility design review minor at 1620 Sonoma avenue file number dr 1805 And I will turn it over to andrew for a staff report Great. Thank you chair kinkade and good evening members of the design review board This evening's public hearing is a continued public hearing the item was first presented to Design review board on december 6 2018 in advance of this evening's meeting I did prepare a summary memo that described the Board's recommendations on the project as it was previously presented as well as revisions to the project That were submitted by the applicant Included in that memo were attachments To which was the revised plan set dated october 14 2019 the revised photo simulation stated january 14 2019 and then Yesterday distributed via email was the revised project narrative dated january 16 2019 And additionally, I did Give to patty this evening a letter that was received later this afternoon from the property owner Expressing the Property owner support for the revisions to the proposed design So with that in mind, I'd like to quickly Go through the presentation that was given on december 6 to familiarize Everybody with the project and then move forward to the revisions as presented by the applicant So it's minor design review for a fourth steeple the project that was reviewed Included a 54 foot tall structure with a 12 by 12 foot building footprint As well as a ground lease area located to the rear of the property The design element for review on that component was the six foot tall composite wood privacy fence around the perimeter The reason it was elevated to design review board for design review is because the neighborhood indicated that the Design was a component that was particularly Important to them as well as the fact that both the design guidelines and the zoning code Lack defined standards for a steeple tower structure And the authority is given to the director to elevate projects as appropriate whereas he deems necessary The project location is on sonoma avenue in northeastern santa rosa And there we see it's a specific location situated well within otherwise low density residential development And here are some photos the upper photo shows the church structure and property from sonoma avenue Lower left hand corner We see the rear of the church structure where the proposed steeple tower would be located And finally the rear of the property back about 30 feet from the top of spring creek where the 25-square-foot ground lease area would be located The project history is quite lengthy. We've been working on this project since it was submitted in january 16 2018 It has held a neighborhood meeting Waterways advisory committee has reviewed the application And we are on our third shot clock extension following the jant december 6 design review board meeting The applicant in the city did agree to a Shot clock time extension extending the project deadline to january 30th 2019 So if the project is approved at this evening's meeting with a 10 day appeal period The the applicant would receive final approvals by january 30th With regard to the continued public hearing The the project was continued to a date certain of december 20th 2018 Then at the december 20th meeting design review board continued it to a date uncertain because the applicant had not prepared revisions at that point in time We did then require re noticing because it was continued to a date uncertain public hearing notices were distributed on december 31st 2018 That included a notice for publication in the press democrat There was an issue with Another public hearing notice that was due to be published on the same day that public hearing notice It was requested that the notice be pulled Press democrat inadvertently pulled the wrong notice and pulled the public notice that was to be Advertised for this public hearing We reviewed it with the city attorney the city attorney determined that that air and noticing Because there were three other methods of noticing Could be allowed in the public hearing could be held this evening I would like to note here that there have been no public comments in response to the noticing for this public hearing So the zoning is r2 within a Majority of the area is owned r16 I didn't want to show this slide to point out that the zoning administrator Had approved the minor conditional use permit for the minor telecommunications facility use On december 6th There were no appeals filed for that approval. And so That minor conditional use permit for the the use that has been approved The proposed site plan shows the location of the proposed steeple tower As well as the ground lease area And we look at the project details as they were originally Presented I like to point out on this slide that the the maximum height of the proposed tower is 54 feet As compared to the 23 feet for the top of the existing building Again another perspective of the tower height And then we have some photo simulations that show what was proposed we see that it's a a 54 foot tall tower with solid surfaces embellished with the religious cross This is a perspective from the rear of the parcel or looking towards the front And then finally another perspective from Sonoma Avenue There were no openings in the proposed tower and The tower footprint again was 12 foot by 12 foot comprised of all Same material which was an rf Radio frequency type of fiberglass material that allows transmission of radio frequency waves The ancillary equipment area is located at least 30 feet from the setback of the spring creek top of bank And we can see here. This is the proposed six foot tall Wood composite fence solid fence And then this is if the design review review board was to approve this but desired for all Equipment within the ground lease area to be screened Then the applicant could add two feet of lattice on top of that six foot tall solid fence The design review board did not weigh in on a decision on the screening So we would ask that you do review and Consider that this evening as well So the issues the proposed steeple height the original proposal was for 62 feet with an eight foot square footprint During planning review that was revised by the applicant to 54 feet tall with a 12 foot square footprint That was in consideration of the neighborhood's Primary complaint about the design as it related to the height There are no building height limits related to towers gable spires or similar structures Other objections related to the proposed use of the land And then an objection to the design and location of the proposed foe steeple including why it's needed Again the height and the suggestion that it could be moved to the rear or the side of the church building I believe in the December 6 presentation it was indicated that Part of the location of the structure is the applicant's Negotiations with the property owner and the property owner prefers the location where it's currently proposed So The design review board members on December 6 voted to continue the public hearing encouraged the applicant to consider redesigning the steeple with a smaller footprint Including materials authentic to the church at the lower level of the steeple using real materials adding some detail and variation And then as well as including some some openings in the surface plains of the steeple tower walls There were some sketches conceptual sketches that were provided to the applicant Following the meeting and so the applicant prepared this following study based upon those sketches The sketches featured horizontal bands creating smoke in us in the the tower And we can see that here And then the applicant after after studying those recommendations Responded by reducing the structure footprint from a 12 by 12 foot footprint to 9 by 9 foot footprint Which is what they're currently proposing They are in fact going to design vertical openings on all of the surface plains. We'll see that in just a moment with a Some space separating the top of the structure wall and the roof And they are going to diversify materials to include metal grill works within those openings These are the So we see here the photo simulations provided by the applicant showing the Opening at the top of the structure the cross Feature which was added and is flush mounted on the structure the applicant did study that but concluded that Using the rf material That it did need to be flush mounted for safety and security purposes Then we see the vertical openings with the screening elements And another view I would like to note that at the at the bottom the openings at the ground level We did talk to the applicant about those openings and the applicant has revised that design To extend those openings are currently about six feet tall at the ground level And then finally another view from sunoma avenue again So here's the proposed redesign in the The schematic we can see that the ground opening is six feet tall six feet wide those would be Metal or aluminum grills which would provide security to keep people from entering into the tower But it would also provide sufficient space for maintenance upon the antennas and located inside the tower whether that's standard maintenance or Changing out those antennas at some point in time it would facilitate that Of what this while this does show the proposed openings in the tower It does not show the grill work that would be proposed to be placed within those openings And then here's another perspective from the side of the tower again reflecting the the openings As well as the the area the open area between the top of the wall and the roof but not reflecting the religious cross The project as revised Is still exempt from sequence subject to section 15 301 class 1 exemption for existing facilities Section 15 303 a class 3 exemption for new construction or conversion of small structures And finally section 15 300 point 2 the exceptions for historic resources Was found to be Not applicable because the the site is not recommended eligible for the national register Of historic properties or the california register of historic properties Again, no additional comments were received in response to the notice of continued public hearing dated december 31st 2018 It is recommended by planning an economic development department that the design review board Approved minor design review for the faux steeple and screening of the ancillary equipment area proposed in conjunction with a building mounted minor telecommunications facility And staff is available to answer any questions the applicant is here this evening The applicant does not have the presentation but is prepared to answer questions. Thank you Andrew, thank you. That was a very complete and thorough recap and proposed project Design so with that sabra any questions for staff? The one thing I didn't find was what the materials were at ground level And how those compared to the request for real materials similar to those used on the main building I would defer that question to applicant. I think they are prepared to answer that question Yeah, why don't you come down and that way we can handle whatever questions would be best Answered by you Jerry johnson on behalf of applicant verizon Wireless so the underlying structure would be a still support structure And then it would be either wood or stucco and that would be at the board discretion so Either wood or stucco And the material used on the main structure of the church The church structure is brick and based on comments we received from the design review board It was recommended that we not use brick for the faux steeple. Okay. Thank you Eric Two two questions to confirm the fence there were The plan for the fence is six feet with two feet of lattice on top of that eight feet total Art for the the fence around the equipment. I'm sorry sure sure so the applicant had proposed a six foot solid composite wood fence if we look at If we look here, we can see that there is still some equipment that appears Might rise above the the extent of that fence so It is in a residential zoning district and in residential zoning districts Fence six feet tall solid with two feet of lattice would be Permitted by right and so the applicant has agreed that if it is the preference of the design review board To add two feet of lattice to the top of that six foot solid fence to ensure that all equipment is screened Thank you. And then the second question The rendering photos so there's no longer a cross on the steeple There if you'll notice in the photo that I presented this evening there is a cross I believe in the Um photo simulations that you received via ledger star or ledger I legislate whatever the service is That uh, that you're correct that those photo simulations did not reflect the cross They have been updated to reflect the cross as you see here So there will there will be a cross on the on it then they're well confirming. Okay. Yes. Those are my two questions. Thank you Adam This thanks Uh on the plans, uh, well first of all, um, I would definitely um encourage at two feet of lattice In case any equipment pokes its its head over the top there Uh On the plans a 3.1. Um I don't see it called out the the screening On the ground is repeated in the center portion of the Um The openings, but it does in the the rendering So there is it will the screening match or is it going to be open in those? We would recommend screening on those openings to prevent debris or animals from being able to enter the structure That that would I would also agree with that recommendation. Um, it just because that's not Uh drawn in here on the on the plans. Um Okay, um, thank you for answering that or Yeah, thank you. Um similar to Adams So I know that in screening McNichols, there's a lot of different companies that have perforated Screen and then there's woven screen, but somehow you'll it I like what I see in the The general appearance that to to keep the birds and debris out. There's some Relative it's transparent, but it's it's something pre manufactured It's not wood lattice. It's metal and that same would go to the the ground as well So at the six foot level with the ground level and up the tower property, you'd have the same material If that's the board's preference, we had um thought about at the ground level Adding something that was a little bit more decorative That was a little bit more solid Because the ground level could possibly be accessed by the public. We would want something that was a little bit Would prohibit people from being able to access at the ground level but also allow service technicians To be able to access the structure. Okay, that's that's understood the other kind question was um The the stucco is a reassuring choice. I think because the the simulated engineered brick When when you build the structure, it's typically going to be a maybe a wheeling metal stud Maybe it's a two by six two by eight and the return when you have these openings in it the the question is um When you drive by this you're going to see the thickness of the wall and the stucco would return back in the jams and Excuse me the stucco that you see in the face There would be a return of that material It's almost like a window opening so to speak but the the actual Plastering of the inside of that opening as it turns that it returns back head jam so Do you understand that question? You're talking about being able to see one side from a different perspective Yeah, you you building this thing out of metal studs It's going to be plastered on the face when you have an opening The thickness of the stud you would return back and cover That thickness of the of the metal member with plaster as well Correct. Yes, correct And I I know that the the colors on the Church prop it's kind of a chocolate brown Roof between the eve and the in the gable The question about that same chocolate color right now you have a silver it looks like just a Silver but there there's a question about whether the bars that the metal Flutes what color they are that the top Of the canopy there or the tower excuse me the question about whether that would want to match Like the chocolate eve line of the church. Maybe that was just the rendering didn't color it, but that was a question Andrew and I actually talked about that top that top hat and that kind of off-white Color there and so we are open to You know making the color scheme consistent if that's if that's necessary. Yeah, that'll look nicer. Yes Thank you Warren. Um, can I ask how you feel about the lattice in the equipment area? Over over the fence six foot fence two foot lattice I'm not really disturbed by it. I think the last would help I mean, I love seeing plants grow and cover the whole thing It'd be nice to just be a green box with ficus on it, but there's maintenance there, but Yeah, if we could screen material so that it wouldn't bruise the eye, is that it? Great. Thank you. And I don't have any questions for the applicant or staff Um, so at this time I would like to open the meeting for a public comment Um, I see someone headed up to the podium. So if you can just give us your name and then Take your three minutes or so to tell us about your thoughts on the project Okay, west annuals Excuse me. I own the uh, I own the house directly across the street Um, I was very I was very upset with the bulk of the Uh, the 12 by 12 proposal when we we went to the public meeting and it was eight by eight It's it's better now, but it should still be eight by eight nine by nine is 40 percent more area and And the the public weighed in on the basis On on the understanding that would be eight by eight and and and it wouldn't balloon out to 12 by 12 And and and and I think that the bulk and the aspect ratio I wouldn't mind it was a little taller, but but I think that the The aspect ratio is better at eight feet and the bulk is better at eight feet at at 12 feet it looked like a high rise with no windows and And I think this is very sensitive to slunderness Thank you. Mr. Daniels Any other members of the public wishing to comment on item 6.1? Seeing none, I will close the public comment on this item and bring the attention back to the board for comments Before we do comments if there's a motion to consider That would be fantastic I'll uh, I'll make my attempt Make a motion to Approve the community baptist church foe staple and building mounted minor telecommunication facility Uh at 16 20 snowman avenue, which would be file number dr 18 dash 005 And also approve as proposed Including the six-foot fencing with the two-foot lattice topping on that second Okay, now we'll have discussion saber you want to start us off Sure, um First I I'd like the petitioner to correct me if I misremember something so as I recall You can't make this tower taller than 54 feet We reduce the height as a direct response to neighborhood concerns regarding the height Also, the c up has determined that the height is 54 so 54 feet is The desired height and that is in direct response to The concerns of the neighborhood. That's what I recalled I also recalled that because you had a height constraint you also had Dimension constraint that you you could reduce the footprint And would be working to reduce it as far as you could but you weren't certain you could go back to eight foot by eight foot Is that correct? correct there are technical constraints and nine feet by nine feet is The smallest we can get The structure with me here tonight is the radio frequency engineer from Verizon and he can speak to Those limitations regarding the width of the steeple and and why we need the nine feet by nine feet And it's so that the antennas can be configured correctly Thank you. That's my only Comment on or only set of questions on that I'm delighted you were able to reduce the footprint I think the design looks a good deal more modern Yeah, it's it's in keeping with the Sense of the church, but it's not mimicking a 1960s design, which I also appreciate I'm not certain I understand why there are openings at the ground floor But that's just a quibble that I don't need to understand that architecturally to say that this looks good and seems to be Consonant with the original church building. So thank you for that A quick note the opening at the bottom is to allow Service technicians to access the the steeple for routine maintenance and upgrades So it allows them to be able to get up into the structure. Well, I understood that there was an access I just didn't exactly understand why that access door was grow work instead of Panel, okay Eric I do think the the redesign looks much better And I appreciate it and I'm commend the applicant for trying to meet as many needs as possible of the the residents And doing The best they can to again listen to the time the review board Listen to the residents lower the tower shrink the footprint and I think it's You were successful in trying to accomplish the best you can The the input that that you receive. So I appreciate you So I appreciate that and I appreciate the the residents input I'm glad to see you and hear you as well. So thank you Thanks, Eric Adam Yes To piggyback on what sabre was saying about the Access at the bottom. Um, just Does there need to be access on all four sides? No, so if if the board thinks that it would look better to have Some of those openings closed off and just leave access for the service technician that that's fine From my standpoint, I wasn't here for the initial discussion in december I appreciate reducing the mass of the the structure with the openings in the center portion But from For my preference would be to have more of a sturdy pedestal look because to make make the The tower not look You know, like it's going to tip over or blow over it But to give it a sturdier bottom. So, um, I would prefer to have it be enclosed I appreciate some discussion amongst other board members, but And and also, I mean, that's just sort of aesthetic and the weight of the structure, but Also the material of having an open screening down at the bottom invites, you know Children climbing on it Okay There's access and safety concerns, but there's also just, you know, general People kind of messing with it and if it's a wall, it's not necessarily there and it looks sturdier and more solid So, okay. Thank you. Oh and one other to To to go with the the stucco and and matching the The the facade of the church as much as possible to him and the colors on top Before I leave you adam, do you have a preference on where the opening is? What do you want it on the? East side of the steeple. So it's facing the interior to the existing buildings and then you would want the solid walls on the facing the street and then facing I guess itself I would say because it looks like there's an entrance on the back side. Um, oh well the I would imagine that the Opening would be on the wall facing the wall of the church I see it as much as possible. So solid walls around and then that's one side. So I don't know if there's a room there, but If there's access if possible, then we would you would want to retain the six by six Opening on the east wall of the steeple tower and then the southwest and north elevations would be Solid down to ground level Yes, okay. Yeah, I think that that makes sense or Yeah, I again, I appreciate all that's been said I Matching that matching the colors of the the silver back down to the chocolate brown. I think a A charcoal gray for the screen would be great My thought on the on the base is if it's solid I I guess I I rather like the idea of at least one like the the west side Which is accessible if that was Black or charcoal doors I kind of think it's it's uplifting and fun to have avoid there because it Strengthens the the columns. That was my thought. I was trying to make it lighter. I'm not I don't want to get fussy here overly granular that there was a sense of Of lightness to the structure That was poetic in my opinion, but it's only one opinion in a democracy Thanks Warren to your comment on the Um Details were you saying that this should be those Ribs should be like a dark brown chocolate. Okay match the trim color. They're just going to stand out. Nothing else is his silver Okay, and then the charcoal gray for the screening. Yeah, maybe the doors below and maybe the doors below, okay Um I want to commend the applicant For making the changes. I think that you took what the board had to say and really made it happen Both in you know Shrinking down the size of the footprint and opening it up so that it kind of feels airy and less of a pencil look I'm still a huge proponent personally of just having a metal Pole not in that location, but I think I can go with it based on the majority of the board here So I want to recap what I've heard so far as conditions of the approval Shall provide two-foot lattice on top of the six-foot fence at the mechanical yard that was in the motion We'll just leave it as a condition as well Trim at the top of the steeple shall match the color of the trim on the existing church Steeple shall be solid On three sides or do we decide two sides three? Anybody preference shall be solid on three sides My preference is three. I agree with adam And sabre is holding up three so We'll go with democracy voting rules and uh, we'll call it shall be solid on three sides And so that would put opening at the east side facing the um existing building Opening At the east side You're talking about an access door Not a screen And just for clarification, you're talking about solid on the base of the structure. Yes, steve will show me solid on three sides at base of structure With opening at the east side facing the existing building Real quick on that. Yeah when it rains all that rains gonna pop up on all the stucco but if there was I wish there was planting along it it would soften your your maintenance on your stucco go way down but if there's a little ring like a foot of grass or something there because you're going to have a discolored future Do you want to make that a uh consider or do you want to just okay? consider perimeter landscape and buffer surround and then um consider charcoal gray for screen and doors any other uh thoughts or I mean just just for clarification we've I've heard that the door the access door Is on the east side and I've also heard that it's on next to The church but the church is to the north Of the tower so Yeah, there's a little wing that pops out of the existing buildings to the east but Just looking at the plan view. I don't know that there's going to be room for doors to open out Okay, I just want to make sure that we were clear. Yep Thank you for that clarification and then accent vertical elements to match The existing trim color of the church Okay, so one more time through I have shall provide two foot lattice on top of six foot fence at mechanical yard Trim at the top of the steeple shall match the color of the trim on the existing church Steeple shall be solid three sides at the base of the structure with opening at the east side facing the existing building consider perimeter landscape buffer surround consider charcoal gray for the screens and doors And then the accent vertical elements to match the existing trim color of the church And to make that happen we need a friendly amendment to the motion which was made by eric and seconded by sabre, so I'd like to make a friendly motion Approving said conditions and suggestions as noted in wavering of the text Does the motion or accept the friendly amendment? I do. Yes, and the second accept Any questions from the applicant or staff on this condition in motion Okay patty roll call, please brayer gold schlag I Sharon hi Hedge path. Hi kinkate. Hi Thank you much appreciated. Thanks. Andrew. Thank you okay And now we are on to item 6.2 final designer view round barn village at zero round bar boulevard file number dr 18 dash zero six nine I go ahead and turn it over to staff for a presentation Thank you chair kinkade and design review board members I'm gary broad. I'm a contract planner working for the city And this is a follow-up to the hearing that the design review board had on november 15th of last year on this application And at that time the design review board considered both Preliminary and final design review for this application The design review board went ahead and approved the preliminary design review application For this project and requested that it be brought back To a subsequent drb meeting with additional Information provided As part of the project review And specifically drb asked that the final design review address the following That a detailed landscape plan including specific fence design be provided That the design submitted for that design be submitted showing pool and other amenity buildings That the applicant considers simplification of architectural details at porches canopies And second and third floor building volumes That a lighting plan be submitted compliant with the preliminary design review submittal requirements That the applicant consider enhanced paving at crosswalks leading from the main arteries. I'm sorry the main entries Um, and finally that stronger accent colors be considered In response to these comments the applicant team has submitted Additional plans for detailed landscaping slash fencing design Pool and other amenity buildings And a detailed lighting plan The applicant has uh been requested to provide a narrative Responding to all six of the comments that drb made at its last meeting And the applicant Will be addressing that at the meeting either with a handout or verbally tonight Planning and economic development is recommending that the design review board by resolution approve the final design review For the round barn village I'd be happy to answer any questions from drb and additionally we do have The applicants elevation Plans submittal that we can put up if drb members wish to be able to look at anything On the projected screen And we have a charity Wagner here representing the the project Excellent. Thank you very much for the presentation Uh questions for staff and any preference to have the plans posted up on the live screens I have no questions for staff, but I would want the plans posted Okay, we can do that Well, what's it named? But we're trying to find it on the computer It's all right, Eric's gonna try and break the system real quick We're gonna load that onto the computer in just a moment As we're working through that if there's any uh, do you have questions for staff, Eric? None This is a big one to jump into adam. So any questions for staff? I'm working my way through but uh, nothing at this time. All right, Warren None And I have no questions for staff We are not able to find it on the computer and our secretary has left the building so Government shutdown, right, I don't know if you want to take maybe a five minute. Are we able to Why don't you like just take I think we can uh, yeah We can figure out a way to do this Charity did you want to address the changes just verbally and we can kind of walk through our plan set and So, uh, the applicant did mention that the plans of what she's going to be showing are what were in your packet So We can also just reference While she's talking So you can pull it up on your iPad. It's another option That's a good link whatever as most expedient will work for us Just let us know what attachment you're on and what page and Hi, everybody. Sorry about that. I thought we had this all squared away earlier today, but uh Without further delay y'all have been out to since about 12 o'clock today. I hear so I will be Expeditious but thoughtful Tonight's meeting as Gary mentioned is the final design review and November 15th your board approved the preliminary design review and asked us to come back with some select items so For the newer members. I regret that you were here on the 15th, but you get to see Maybe more of the icing pieces if you will So from the top the first sheet in your packet is a color 11 by 17 that shows the pool area um the Intent of this in middle was to provide you with the items that you requested and then large part that surrounded the structures around the pool and a little bit more Information on how the pool is going to be laid out in the pool accessory buildings. So there is a single story Pool structure that is at the entrance to the pool building and it is kind of provides A gateway into the pool. You walk through a breezeway to get into the pool area The fencing around the pool includes I guess on this same sheet you're looking at It's called community center brown bar and village and on the bottom of there's details the retaining walls At the last meeting there was a lot of question with respect to Are y'all following me don't want to come look at your screens and make sure we're on the same page We're good. Okay good Yeah It looks I think I just Try attachment five staff report attachment five attachment five Thank you. Okay, so um The retaining walls at the bottom of this page there was some discussion about the Retaining walls at the last meeting and the intent of this was to show that the walls are a I'll call it geogrid type Wall that allows for the walls to be planted So you're not looking at a very solid wall surface and then on the top of that wall is a required safety rail Which we're proposing like a very simple kind of gable steel rail the intended that's for that to kind of disappear We don't really want that to be a feature, but it is required to have In addition there is a the next page The pool building This sheet shows the details for the pool enclosure wall There is a solid masonry wall on the sides of the pool if you will call it east and west On the back of the community area that On the northern portion if you will is a proposed a wrought iron pool enclosure fence And the intent of changing that from stucco to wrought iron is because there's actually quite nice views looking out that direction And then there's also a A spa that is on the I suppose west side of the of the community center That wall is a masonry wall with two kind of arbor structure on either side and then there's also in the pool area is a What we're calling an outdoor kitchen with a couple of barbecues and a countertop for cooking and preparing foods The next sheet shows the it's a landscape structures exhibit So in addition to additional information about the pool area itself The types of walls that were there and the pool building itself There was some question about other landscape structures our plans in the November meeting showed arborers and Had callouts for an entry monument, but the details of that weren't quite Elaborate at that point so we were asked to come back with more information on those so this exhibit shows where all those are located There are About I would call five different features So there's the entry monuments that exist on the two main points of access to the project site on the east and west side There are What we call peseo entry features. So as you're walking into the courtyards, there's a like a monumentation feature there Then there are overheads Like a arbor structure again In the gardens and at the main entrance park area And those are detailed the next two sheets are Enlargements of the landscape structure exhibit because it's a bigger site just makes it kind of difficult to follow where those features are proposed And if you flip to the sheet called Landscape structure exhibit that shows all the four various arbors you can see that we're looking at An entry monument so on both Both of the driveway entrances. There'll be arbors on either side Of the main entrances vehicular entrances to the site and then on one of them. There'll be a flanking Monument sign that will say round barn. It'll be lit up a little bit at the bottom There are also Peseo entry arbors we called them. So these actually have light fixtures on them And it's at the entrance to each of the peseos in the project kind of highlighting This is how you enter and to get into the individual units And then there are also larger arbors proposed at the Main park entrance to the site on the east side of the site as you drive in there's a large open space area there And we have intended to put a larger arbor to provide shade field to kind of gather out there And there's also one proposed in our community garden And then the last one's what called overhead arbors are Proposed in a few of our smaller parklets throughout the site The next exhibit is walls and fences This is also broken in half too to show a little bit more detail There are About four different types of walls and fence details There's the retaining wall which we discussed a little bit with respect to the pool There's the retaining walls in the site are largely adjacent to the community rec area And then also they run along the southern portion of the site where the access road is All of those walls are the same geogrid type plantable wall with a guardrail on top and they vary in height From about six feet. The largest one is 20 feet. That's the one behind the the rec center The there are also patio walls we show the details on the different types of Fence detail as you walk through the peseo And then the fence around the community garden and there are a couple low planter walls The next two sheets are again those kind of call outs showing you more detail where those wall types are And the detail sheet itself shows the detail of the guardrail proposed for the top of the retaining walls the The end units of each patio. So in each town home Building whether it's a four or eight unit town home building the end units will have Solid masonry wall and the interior units will either be this horizontal fence type or the vertical patio fence type so each every building will have a combination of all three different types of fence type And then also in the project there are these low planter walls just kind of provide some relief Within a couple of our few parklets which was shown on the previous exhibit And then the garden fence is proposed to be a wire mesh and wood fence around the community garden That's on the east end of the project. We are also showing all of the Tree planning and shrub planning. So the next two sheets are a color-coded tree type Plan to show actually three sheets. We broke this one up into three This is the far west side of the site. You can see the various layers of planting. We've picked oaks largely And pistachio Chinese pistachio is our street trees throughout the site And then in each of the individual Park like areas we've gathered trees to make them a little bit more individual for example this The children's play area that's at the I would call it northwest portion of the site This is an elm tree focused area And in the park area south of that By units 214 and 204. This is more of a sycamore themed planted area. So We were intentionally Selecting trees for the different park areas to provide some individuality, but also providing a more common plant plantscape I did check in today with the architect landscape architect who made it very clear that the trees and shrubs and ground cover and everything on site is Compliant with the city's living with fire fire-wise Landscape planting has been incredibly important to us from the get go and then also that we are wheel compliant as well, obviously we have to be but it's There I've had experience whereas it's disconnected between what we're showing and what we're saying So we're getting it right the first time here Um, or I guess this would be the third time right because I did conceptual then preliminary enough um But you follow me and then We also wanted to take time to show the entry feature areas so you can see how The patios will front onto the main entrance and how the yards work in relationship to Um yards the front patios i'm calling them yards because some of them are quite big And then there's a planter area between the patios And the sidewalks kind of providing some separation We also show the tree spacing and tree types in each of these enlargements We did the same for one of our parklets the what we're calling our children's play area And what I think is most noticeable here is that in a lot of townhome projects We don't have the benefit of really providing a substantial planter area between the patio on the sidewalk These projects get really tight And so we've taken the time to make sure that we have at least a four foot planter area there So we can get a good sized tree and provide a nice separation between the private patio fence and the and the walkway see site lighting We spoke a little bit about site lighting at the last meeting, but we didn't quite have enough Information to show where all the proposed lighting was located. So We did take time to do that in this um submittal. So we're showing our street lights our park Excuse me lighting in the parks all of our baller locations As well as the details of those lights specifically We also get down to the what we call more landscape lighting kind of uplift lights for trees and The planter walls as well as the signage out near the monument at the entries the light specifications that we chose which are shown So this exhibit shows In color where all the street lights are located and where all the ballers are located and then in this area here Shows the spec for that individual light and so what we did here was gives a thought to Smaking laugh so sorry we gave a lot of thought to The types of fixtures that we're picking trying to be um compatible with our what we're calling our modern farmhouse aesthetic I think I mentioned last time all lighting on site is private and will be maintained by the common homeowners association as part of the project And then the last two sheets are a floor plan and elevation of that pool building which we talked a little bit about So you can see that it has um the breeze way through the center with a gate at the back So it does provide a protection. Nobody can just run straight into the pool um and then this building largely encapsules restrooms and shower facilities There are direct Very strict requirements between how large your pool is drives how many showers and bathrooms you need So we've made sure we're consistent with those requirements here and then the types the materials and the features on here we also are Respectful and harmonious to the types of materials that you saw on the buildings which you presented last november So I I'm hopeful that this provides more level of Confidence and comfort in the the detail the more finer details of the project We are moving full steam ahead through an improvement plan process For this project. We are very excited to build townhomes in found grove. So um with that I'm happy to answer any questions or See if we can get to uh Our next step here. Thanks for your time Thank you very much Before questions i'm going to go ahead and open up public comment and then immediately close it since there's no one left in the room Um and with that sabra the questions for the applicant Well first I would really want to thank you for the thoroughness of this presentation. Um I know that when we last Saw you here We understood where you were headed, but we didn't have the details and that was those details really mattered to us I don't have any questions. I only have comments and so I'll pass to the next person Eric any questions none. Thank you Adam again large one to jump right into any questions Uh, sure. I do have a question off the bat. Um My landscape perspective and the trees perspective um Am I correct in seeing that it's it's uh, you have them broken out by Zones and street Treat or excuse me long day tree types But I don't see quantities on here That am I correct in seeing this that's All right, the the table does not um total the number of trees that are proposed. Um, but that they are shown graphically yep I guess it uh I guess it's more of a comment. So should I hold it till later or ask now Comments later comments questions now my comment for leader. Thank you for answering my question Orin questions no questions And I have no questions Yeah So, uh board does anyone have a uh motion to make I'll second I'd like to make a motion forwarding Disarm review With no conditions other than accepting the said package which has been submitted and Affirming that the intent and heart of the applicant will execute said work has drawn And this would be for file number dr 18-069 If we could uh read the resolution into the record So to clarify warren you would like to uh make a motion to approve the resolution of the design review board of the city of santa res of granting final design review approval for the Attached housing for the round barn village located at zero round barn boulevard Assessors parcel numbers 173-020-030 through 173-020-036 file number dr 18-069 and you would like to waive the reading of the text Indeed. Yes And do I have a second Second by sabra. Okay discussion um sabra So my initial comment is uh Again, I really thank you for the details I'm particularly impressed by the details of the lighting um One of the things that I didn't expect was the level of innovative lighting and um That you're you're emphasizing localized low level lighting In many places that provide a sense of safety and interest for The residents without becoming too bright Or or spending too much energy illuminating only streets makes me very pleased um I do think you missed A step by not saying how many of which kinds of plants are going to be planted The schematic is very interesting to me, but it's This green circle could be any one of those trees And um that does not help me as a person who's not a landscape architect Get a sense of the balance or the Best use of space Which is too bad Beyond that though, I'm just I think that you've brought it back to where it needed to be in detail Um, I know that there's always going to be concern about exiting you have two exits They go onto the same road and though that single road exits onto A single road and there isn't an easy second route And this is an area that's um In people's minds as a fire risk But you're constrained by the space you have to play with Again, I think you did a reasonably good job of Working with what you have working for the audience you have and creating a higher density housing in this area Eric comments I'm very excited for this project. I think it's great We do not have a lot of townhome projects in santa rosa and it provides for a More affordable housing Even though marketplace It's less of it's less expensive than single family residences. So I am very excited about this project I think it provides some much needed housing for some of the major employers that are in that area such as medtronic key site kaiser um and that has certainly been in the discussion for many Committees here in the city in the city. So It's a great project. Uh, I'd like to see Shovels in the ground as soon as you can. So thank you adam Uh judging from my question, you probably know where I was going or with my comment. Um, uh, as sabre was saying also, um The I'd I also appreciate the going down to the level of detail for details and specifications on the lighting but the trees and landscapes Uh, yeah, I I would want to see I appreciate the the variety and diversity of plantings that you're having but I would want to see a More detailed planting plan And again, I don't know if that is Would come later if that's in the next step. It's not we're not supposed to get to that step yet. I don't know if I'm jumping the gun Go ahead. I was just going to say this is the final step. So Okay. Yeah, so If this is the final step, um With the amount of Of trees and plantings you have the diversity I I would want to see where The actual plants are going what I want to see a really speculative because With so you you could run the risk, you know, you know You could run the risk of having either, you know 15 pistachio in a row and then 15 olives in a row something like that I would want to see the diversity. I want to really see how it's laid out. I would want to see some specs also in details of You know, you you call out bioswale trees. I'd want to see what you mean by a bioswale um We want to see a detail of that because bioswale had certainly has a a meaning of You know stormwater catchment filtration Detention retention and so I'd want to see Where those are and what they are and what area they're going to collect water from And uh And you know ground covers I'd want to see if if you're having zones that are either diversity of Species or if you're having swaths of species things like that With the children's play area as you call it It's I'm seeing smaller trees. I'd want to see more shade trees in incorporated into that especially in That that part of town especially on that aspect on the hillside If it is, you know a play zone of really having protected for small humans And another question on the community garden aspect So we got a pretty large development here and this You know, you got a couple a dozen planter beds for You know a couple a hundred Residences You know there's going to be demand for those And it feels somewhat Kind of a token You know sort of Community garden aspect there which you know that's can also be fine and say I'm not saying that we need to have Surround everything with farms or many many planter beds, but it's a It's a small community garden for a pretty large development Small play area for pretty large development too. So um from a landscape and Plant perspective, I'd want to see a bit more detail That's my comment Thanks adam Warren I just want to comment I've I've been here historically for the entire project and what was exactly asked Of you in the last submittal was really given. I'm not a licensed landscape architect But just carefully said you have a complete species list of all The monocots dicots the grasses that the whole range shrubs all the way through trees My entrust with this project and I've been on record is that you've You've looked at willow at susam Stormwater north coast. There's been a litany with the engineer the civil In concert with a c2 collaborative To understand collectively what it means to Marshal a project with with flooding issues And and all the above I would propose that in great respect in courtesy of the applicant That what I see Is sufficient It's a herculean that the graphics alone to cover this ground are a serious not just a stab But a full campaign Of intent Here that there's integrity belong belief and I love I love plants, but I work on projects myself where lighting isn't an exact science There's foot candles as low as 0.5 or 5. Can you find your car keys at 2 a.m? There there's spikes in lighting where it goes to 11 foot candles your dark sky compliant I would hazard there's about 36 different categories of compliance. You have marshaled and put together I want to even remark In the architecture I I had talked about gables and Some of the craftsmen Outriggers and you exactly to the t Located all Types of construction and character As as we had asked I don't know a thing in this package That I can see I would historically say that this is the most compliant package We have ever seen for what we've asked for it is large and it's easy to Perhaps concern that in an act of god's storm if we have a nine inch storm instead of a six inch storm will a tree Suffocate underwater too much That's in a swale is that is the tree swale worthy? I'm just going to call it that I I believe that we owe it to you um in all respect To endorse and for this project in its exact submittal and that your judgment in the field of how to execute said uh profiles Of soil friable parts sand parts loam You're going to do it That's my comment. Thank you Warren I understand the concerns of a couple of board members that have made uh their remarks on the landscape plan So I can't say that the landscape plan count isn't there and it's not 100 clear where things go, but I uh echo All of Warren's comments in total and being that it's nine o'clock I probably won't say anything other than I agree that this package is probably the most complete That we've ever seen and it is a large project and deserve to be very complete and I appreciate you Taking it to task and you've got a great design team, and I know that uh, you will execute the plan So, uh, well done. I look forward to seeing it up on the hill Um, so motion's been made as is seconded as is so let's go ahead and have a roll call free air. Yes Gold slog. Hi Sharon. Hi Hedgepeth Hi Kincaid. Hi Excellent. Well, thank you for your patience in the process and uh for seeing it through to the end and Again, let's let's get shovels on the ground excited the exciting part, right? Okay, uh, we are on to item number seven board member reports and since there was none earlier I'm guessing there's none now um and Jessica, did you think of any other? Apartment reports that you wanted to make uh, no, and I will uh not repeat myself so we can all go home And I just wanted to uh, thank uh staff and patty In particular again for the meal much appreciated in the snacks and for the long day. So, um, thank you very much And we are adjourned Thank you


From the Computer History Museum in the heart of Silicon Valley, it's theCUBE, covering food IT, fork to farm. Brought to you by Western Digital. Hey, welcome back everybody, Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're at the Food IT Show at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. We took a walk off the set to come over to the little expo area that they have set up. Some really interesting technology. We're really excited to have Shami Patel on, he's the CEO of from Lumaglow, welcome. Hi, thank you very much. Absolutely, so you've been at this for a while. You got a 10 year old company and tell us a little bit about what is Lumaglow? Sure, Lumaglow is a smart LED lighting company that focuses exclusively on the horticulture sector. The intelligence is based on a smart fixture that's wirelessly connected that's tied to a cloud-based software solution. And you've got a little itty bitty baby one here for demo purposes, but you say this is used at big scale manufacturing, not manufacturing, big scale horticulture. Yes, so our customers are primarily large scale greenhouse growers and they really leverage our solution which allows the grower to alter the spectrum to fundamentally change plant biology. So our customers include the USDA who uses 1200 of our fixtures across multiple facilities. We currently have 25 customers in the cloud. So we're lighting 500,000 square feet of crops including cucumbers, basil, lettuce and cannabis. So it's pretty interesting, because you said you're leveraging cloud, we leverage all the stuff we talk about all the time. You're leveraging algorithms and you basically can change the light based on your algorithms to change the behavior in the way that the plant grows. That's correct, right? Absolutely, absolutely. With our team of close to a half a dozen plant biologists, we partner with universities as well as production partners to really understand the nuances of how the light can be used to achieve an economic objective of the grower. So in certain instances, we can change the root mass or the strength of the stock for early growers in the propagation field, whether they're tomato propagators, cucumber propagators or even plant propagators. Or we can also alter the fundamental biology of large scale growers, whether they be vine crops to enhance yield and whatever their economic objective is. That's great. So you can change the algorithm based on the changing economic objective which might be different if they're trying to sell seedlings or trying to sell a final product. You said even you can change the height of the plant, the width of the plant. Absolutely, right? So in certain instances, particularly in the early development of the plant, you want to maintain some element of compactness so you don't want aggressive branching and you want to control the height, particularly for propagators before you're transitioning that cloned or propagated plant into production level growth. So and then do you collect data from the local plantings as well to validate your algorithms, change them, you know, adapt to the specific conditions of those particular, I guess, grow house or greenhouse? Absolutely. Lumigrow is not a lighting company. It's really a solution and services company. So we use our research team as sales support and we also provide an ongoing service through our software to be able to continually grow with that, that particular grower in some aspects to be able to deliver more and more value add. Ultimately, what we're looking to do is create a broader ecosystem and a dialogue amongst farmers that are non-competitive but can leverage off similar findings from how to use light as a growth variable. And then do you integrate with the other systems like for the fertilizer, probably not a lot of worried about bugs and stuff, but for the fertilizer and for the irrigation and the water, do those systems tie into yours as light is just another component to again kind of maximize or drive the type of plant behavior that you're trying to achieve? Yes, absolutely. We can integrate with some existing control systems. Obviously, when a farmer wants to evaluate the control of their crop, they want to make sure that they understand all the different growth variables, whether it's hydration, HVAC, and lighting, the unique aspect of our solution is we're putting in the infrastructure that with our cloud-based software to really be an IoT platform so that we can integrate additional sensors very efficiently or we can simply use the plant as the sensor itself, being able to collect data downwards by looking downward. We're in the process of adding a light sensor to our platform, which we can retrofit with existing customers to allow to create the ability to have a uniformity in terms of light coverage at the crop level. Really interesting stuff. So just a little background on the company. Said you've been around for 10 years, kind of where are you in terms of your funding? How many people? What can you share kind of about the state of the company? Sure, so the company's been around for 10 years, but we were recapitalized with a venture fund called the Ecosystem Integrity Fund within the last 18 months that did a series B for us. And with that, we brought in a new management team and a focus and a shift on strategy to focus on research and software. We currently have close to 30 employees. We are growing, we're likely to double revenue from last year and we are anticipating doing a C round sometime in the first quarter. All right, well exciting story, really cool stuff. So thanks for taking a few minutes and sharing your story with us. No, thank you very much. We're delighted to be here and enjoyed speaking with you, thank you. All right, Sean B Patel, the CEO of LumaGrow. I'm Jeff Rick, you're watching theCUBE from FoodIT, from Fork to Farm.


Hello everyone. Let's get started. My name is Carlos Fanato. I work for Chenghua and in Kubernetes I work for SQL Release. SQL Release is the SIG that takes care about the release of Kubernetes and all the tooling around the release engineering, like for taking out the images, promotions, and all the tools that make everybody use the Kubernetes environment. My name is Carlos and I'm going to pass to my colleague. Yeah, my name is Adolfo Garcia and I am also a software engineer with ChengGuard. We originally had two more speakers scheduled to be here with us and for traveling problems they couldn't be here, so sorry you're stuck with us but we are both tech leads for SQL Release for the release engineering sub-project and we're going to do an update on the things we've been working on. Before that we have Sasha just to give you like a few words. Welcome to our talk from SQL Release about releasing Kubernetes as often insecure. Unfortunately I cannot attend this KubeCon in person but I'm absolutely sure that the both of Carlos and Steve will rock this session on behalf of Cherryby and myself. I really hope you enjoy this talk and always feel free to reach out if you have any questions or comments. Okay, today we're going to like give some updates and talk about what we did in like in the past release and let's say in the past year. We're going to like take like a quick look on the changes we made for the release caddes in the release cycle and some updates on the release engineer and we're going to like share about the work we have been doing like creating a whole map and vision in the SQL Release and like in the end some shots for the community. Last year we had like a release caddes of like a form release per year and we felt that it was too fast and like the release team that is formed for each cycle was like have like a hard time like to manage everything. Then we decided to send a release survey to see how the community feel about like having less or more releases and we find out that like the community prefer like to have three releases a year than we like that's some justification that we can think about and we decided to instead of four release per year now we were running three releases per year that makes like a pace more sustainable for not only for the release team but also for now the other things. Last year we introduced in the last cycle in the 124 the faster forward and this I'm going to give like some explanations. But a few cycles like I think till 121, 122 when we have the code freeze and create the release branch we always fast forward in the master branch to the release branch. Then this was a manual task and like sometimes like we forgot to fast forward every day and then we miss it and then some conflicts sometimes happen and then like we decided like not doing fast forward anymore and then doing the like when the cherry pick or the release branch was created we started doing the cherry pick like when we merge things to the main branch we cherry pick to the release branch. That causes a lot of like a overwork like a lot of overhead for the developer like for the contributors who every time we need to like approve that PR to get merged to the master branch and then like cherry pick, mainly cherry picking all the process. Right and then we think to reintroduce the fast forward and then in the last cycle we did like a like a mock job that is was running for the entire cycle after we have the release branch and everything was working and for this 125 release cycle we are going to like introduce the no mock in the no mock way that's going to be fast forward for it. We have the test grid everybody can take a look on the job is running and we also have a documentation regarding how that works and if people are interested like I strongly recommend taking a look on the documentation site. Okay yeah so another area of our work has been actually hardening a little bit the more the Kubernetes supply chain and since what about two years ago we started working on implementing some of the what are now common words in supply chain security like a response for the Kubernetes release process and also the big one around now is that we just finished signing all the images for Kubernetes with six stores so about what one year ago or so where we started right about the point when six store was just starting to form six stores like a distributed signing project for with a public transparency log and we started partnering with them to see and to try to find a way of how we could also implement signing our images for years there have been like issues open and gaps open trying to implement signing for the artifacts but we all know how GPG can be hard to secure to do the key handling sometimes so when we started seeing about what was going on with six store and their plans and it just seemed like the perfect fit for us so right since the beginning we started looking into how we could integrate the six store tooling and libraries and their infrastructure to secure a release so right so now Kubernetes 124 was just released and it's the first one to have its images signed and it was like a really huge effort it took a lot of contributors in fact since I joined six releases the project that has seen the most people contributing to a single project this is just the MVP because we only have the we only have like the basic initial tooling to sign the images there's still a lot of work that has to be done yet so you can see some brief facts about it we had like 55 PRs involving not only the sick release tooling but also dealing with in Kate's Infra so big thanks to Kate's Infra folks that really enabled us to get this going and also working on improving the six store tooling as we went because we also had needed the support from their side and to accommodate their needs but we finally got it ready some of the challenges to build that was the infrastructure was to make sure that all of the signatures could be propagated in a proper way like doing the impersonation flow because Kubernetes promotes its images and the image promoter wasn't ready yet to take on the impersonation requirements that we needed to have the available OIDC tokens to do the signing so we had to go do there and add up to the current image promotion process which we didn't want to disrupt any of the current process that we were using so it was like a really big deal I was really surprised to see how much fire it's got on all of the news outlets so thank you media for covering that I feel really humbled for that if you maintain a project in the Kubernetes community and you want to sign your images on your packets come to talk to us about where I plan to help and the image promoter also like if you use the image promoter the images across the case registry it also sign your image already then if you sign like three weeks if you start using that tool it signs the image for you as well there's a little bit more security that we can build into your project if you're interested in signing at build time and still propagating those signatures like we do in Kubernetes you can talk to us at any time show up on the sick release meetings and we can guide you to do that the other is when we build the Kubernetes S1 we produce a lot of libraries to be able to write the documents and that tool has been getting traction some other projects are already doing their S-bombs with our tool which is great and we've been getting more contributors and for example Istio recently started doing their S-bombs with our tool which makes me very happy and also this tool is now incubating in the automated compliance tooling tack with the Linux foundation also like a sense of it getting a little bit more mature and finally the other key milestone that we are trying to achieve is making the Kubernetes release process achieve Salsa level three so Salsa it's a supply chain framework to enable companies to start securing their workloads and their release process a little bit gradually so it gives you insight into observability and then making the artifacts ever more hard to personally forge and secure them so we are aiming to comply with Salsa level two right now the last cube gone in Los Angeles we announced that we have reached level one and now with assigning libraries almost done we are almost ready to start implementing Salsa level two we wanted to make it in Kubernetes 124 but well we simply didn't get the time but we're almost there we just have to finish signing the binaries the attestations and the S-bombs and then I think that those are the three remaining for reaching Salsa two that is release process and oh yeah this was it okay and next one okay this is another survey we have out like we have the inclusive name working group we are working to make out everything more inclusive and one of the fortresses changing the branch names across the Kubernetes community we are planning to change the KK the Kubernetes Kubernetes branch name from master to main and this is like a big thing that we are planning size end of last year there is a survey you can scan the QR code if you want to fill that survey and we are like collecting results like information because we would like to know the companies using Kubernetes downstream to see if they're going to be impacted and then we can plan accordingly for like changing the name how the most how the infrastructure for these changes are done we're just like waiting for these results they're going to close on May end of this month and as soon as the results we like got it is looking good for those persons like for those companies and we are planning to moving like the change is for the when we reach code 3 on 125 okay here I'm going to talk a little bit about how we built last year the roadmap and the vision you can scan this if you like check the repository I'm going to quickly show here we in the C-release we built like a roadmap and a vision that makes the community and the C-release team like everybody that contributes to C-release see what's the vision for the C-release and what are we going to focus in then we have like the primary focus is the consumable introspective and secure each one we like drill down and open in deliverables we are looking for for example we like define some deliverables you want to achieve that is the Salsa compliance the sign release effects enhance the Kubernetes artifacts management like we like we are working in some improvements on the artifact management as well and be available in the other providers as well and we highly recommend for the other SIG chats and techniques for the other SIGs to have a whole map and a vision as well for the SIGs and if you need help like we also we are here like to help to create the whole map and a vision and just a small thank you for everybody that worked like in the past cycle in the past year helping us to achieve the signing the Salsa, the boom and the other tools we are using like to make the Kubernetes release easily for everybody if you want to find us and we want to contribute like find us like we Steven and Sacha the SIG chats myself although for Jeremy the techniques for the SIGs as well you can find us like we have weekly meetings on Tuesday I forgot the time I know the time only in the Central Europe time as well which is 4.30 I don't know the others but I figured it out and you can find us also in the SIGs that we have the SIG release channel and if you are more interested in the SIG release engineer in the engineer part we have the release engineer channel and Sacha Thank you for listening to our talk I truly believe that we will have a bright future of SIG release with all those enhancements and improvements I wish you a happy concurrence and see you on upstream Kubernetes Thank you The question is what the challenging about renaming the branch for Kubernetes itself if you think about the only Kubernetes we have like we can check I think we have more than 50 PRs open on KK or I think is much more than that and renaming like changing the the branch name it's kind of easy just go and go to the sets and change and they do everything for you but the problem behind that is if we do this we're going to pro, we're going to kick out all the jobs for the open PRs and then we're going to be like a big kill whether it might be we have some hard time cleaning up we don't want to put this high load on the pro and have the people try to figure out there's some workarounds for that we're going to move everything that open PR to draft and draft to the pro doesn't trigger we need to trigger mentally and then we're going to like ask for the persons that review like move back to red to review and then we're going to kick the specific one we're not going to move to draft and then move everybody we're going to just move one by one as needed for downstreams we can block the CI but Github offers the follow the right directions but you need to certify in your downstream if you can follow that right direction usually just change the branch name but might block CI for the companies like we're not sure how they are consuming the Kubernetes when do you plan to do that branch? when we reach code 3 is only 125 it also going to depend of the survey results but so far the results they are like the people are responding match the time frame we are looking for any other questions? nope ok thanks so much