Aaron app you welcome to simulation Alan. Thank you for having me man. Thanks for having me with you So good. Yeah, so pumped for our convo, bro Me too. I was I was looking through YouTube channel and I was like, oh, he's had a bunch of my friends on this will be fun And same thing with you same thing with you having so many conversations with my friends So we're like overlapping the same networks The background and of course some miracles and love one finding the Parsing all of the planets repositories for truth wherever we can find it in the mystic traditions and retreats Yeah, and now being able to Share with other people sort of like an accelerated with our other selves the the accelerated path The direct path that doesn't get too lost doesn't go through too much of the noise Yeah, that's what I've that's what I've noticed about our like some similarities. It's pretty cool. Yeah, why waste time, right? Yeah Actually, I think this is a great. I think this is a great place to start actually if you were to give like your distilled Version of what you found out to be like the nature of reality Yeah, like what would how would you describe it the nature of reality, huh? Yeah, it's like there's less you can say about it really It becomes so much more epic as your awareness expands that there's less and less I think it's more difficult to describe it But this is what's so interesting for me to talk about is that With you had mentioned wanting to talk a little bit about the idea that gaining tons of spiritual knowledge can actually Take you farther from reality sometimes and fatten the spiritual ego more and I think we've all experienced that for sure and it's possibly even a necessary and Ineval parts of the awakening path, but at a certain point you learn that your concepts can't actually bring you to reality Right that But the things you know and learn don't actually touch reality that it has to be experienced and lived and embodied and That calls for a very Zen approach of the sort of like the Wu Wei approach of non-action like I'm gonna stop Predicting analyzing thinking I know living from conceptuality I'm gonna just start living from spontaneity Just being with what is without trying to know it or understand it with the mind Just accept what is surrender to what is and let it do whatever it wants to do in me And I just trust that that supreme power that is moving all of life is just doing its work like the medicine is going to work in me and It's it almost seems like a cheat code, right? Because you're like actually I do less and less and evolve more and more as I go along So that's what's been really exciting for me to talk about lately Nice cool, so There's a couple threads there. We can pull on One of them is like just how simple it is when referring people to like the nature of reality to just Recognize that this is consciousness talking to itself. Yeah And then it's like oh like that like that that makes sense like that's I can see how that's unity I can see how that's what it is and then like Another good one is that like you'll when when will you come to the end of exploring an unbounded? map You'll never come to the end like that's what infinity is you'll never come to the end of Exploration of expansion of possibilities of potential and so then that one and and then Like playing on what you said I love that point and I think this is another great topic for us to touch on is I think this probably happened for both of us where we picked up a lot of concepts and a lot of knowledge and and there was a Conceptual intellectual mind that was quite active and it was and It's interesting because as soon as I Relaxed that and I'm sure same case for you like the relaxation of that is exactly what opened up a deeper state of emptiness of self-interest and there was Yes, and then the the Buddhist anata that no self ended up becoming more and more apparent in Experience and then the the capitalist self this roaring s God self is all that is left in terms of seeing itself everywhere in every one in Everything and so the what is this like you described in terms of just allowing this the devotional mess to It to the like you said is a medicine like life is medicine. Oh, yeah, it's so good Yeah, actually play on play on that a little bit more and like what you've seen With the people that you're serving and them like waking up to that process of like letting go of the conceptual and just letting that Life as medicine oneness sort of do itself Yeah, yeah Well, that's an important part of of teaching anyone I think in this space is that you you must always turn them back to themselves turn them back to their life and understand as Much as these teachings may be helpful or feel expansive Ultimately, they won't apply in you or flourish in you until you take them to reality and live them out and Try them out right in your life experience And I think that's what devotion means to me is that when we realize that the supreme guru is life And that's the only thing I need to devote myself to then you just start paying really close attention, right and there's the Something shifts inside of you that There's just like when you're in love with anything to be in love with something really is to be devoted to it So when you when you see reality as it is and you would just ask, you know, how would I define reality? one of the ways I think I experience reality is How to put it into words, I might say something like like aching beauty. Oh Yeah, that almost just annihilates you right? It's you start tuning into it all the time in that When you're chasing knowledge in the beginning of the journey, perhaps there's a desire to have these transcendent experiences You know, there's a desire for the mystical moment the mountaintop mind expanding mind altering Experience and then there's nothing wrong with those those are great and very helpful for sure But then we get addicted and to them and chase them and we overlook the Ordinariness which is also infused with reality and with Brahman and expansion and because the mind is looking To reality as being a mountaintop experience. It sort of says. Yeah, like that that altered state That I achieve and the oneness the unity cosmic consciousness That's reality and then I come back down to normal life and it's not reality You know, it's less valid or something like that And you start to see through that subtle judgment That layer of judgment in the mind that you just had overlooked for so long and you go Wow, I've been classifying reality in categories and it doesn't have categories They're you know, just just to sit here and sip my tea in the morning is You know a perfect expression of all that is And so we stop overlooking those things and find that they're also infused with beauty almost to the point where You're you're experiencing That beauty in everything you do That sometimes I feel like I almost have to shut it out a bit so I can function normally Like you could be maybe in a you know a conversation with someone and like you just become overwhelmed with the essence of the creator the expression of the creator that's like beaming off of them and you can start to get blissed out and And you're sort of like man I got it like I got to come back to this conversation because I'm not even paying attention what they're saying, you know It can be like that It's almost it can be overwhelming and and you want to be overwhelmed by it But you also want to be able to be in the world all the time and be present with what is so it takes integration, right? there's a there's a balance that has to be struck within you of Stabilizing in that state and I think that's probably why a lot of Beings and and realized masters who when they're going through their awakening they go to isolation for a long time Because maybe they want to let that process play out without all the the distractions And then at a certain point they feel stabilized in it and they can come back out into the world and teach You know, I think a bit of that plays out in our lives for those of us who maybe can't go Hide in a cave for ten years and meditate Life is teaching us always how to integrate a non-dual awareness With living in the world of duality and paying my bills writing my emails having conversations, right? All the ordinariness you find it's it's just as divine There's there really is no distinction between duality and non-duality non-duality isn't better or more valid It's like they both are an expression of the one and so I think that's devotion Right is realizing that and seeing that life is my greatest teacher And so whatever life is doing is what I want to be doing so good I love that so There's two things there that I think are great Think it was Da Vinci. Yeah life being the greatest teacher nature being the greatest teacher and also just in General like is that not obvious that like that life itself is like a processing system that life is infinity Just processing an Actualizing potentiality. Yes, it's just it's really it's really becomes evident and then it's You called it like a an aching beauty Because there is it's like the polarities the duality non-duality are the same Or the simultaneity of them is really important So you have like another way to say that is maybe like a graceful fire of sorts like I like This this is this is a for sure a Fire like all of the yes Everything that's happening with like with with awakening but also even at like a Cellular level with like the manufacturing of proteins and all this type of stuff. It's a fire. It's movement. It's impermanence But it's so graceful in the sense of like it's so beautiful. It's like you said you can get warped Just your awareness can be so saturated with love and light that you're just like Drooling at the love that is present and it's just so like oh, it's just it's just nourishing right that level of love and and when when you sort of see that as the like the mountaintop and where you were are one thing and then right so then there's like the anchoring then or like the integration of said Realization and awakening into the just classical everyday life and in service. That's really, you know, the one of One of the big things that we communicate is the integration of the of awakening into daily life and into Especially into service into serving the collective Yeah integrated awakening is what it's all about because I think when we talk, you know You mentioned how non-duality and duality are one and the same and there's no real distinction, you know, I think we need to Really let that sink in and what the implications of that mean, you know, because It's so easy for the ego to grab on to a shiny Non-duality concept and use it to really bypass the world of duality Which is why I love the law of one as I'm sure you do because raw makes sure to make that point where it's like look yes Realization requires you to accept that you are the creator and be that and step into that knowledge but also Rest in the balanced awareness of being a soul on an evolutionary journey that has some distortions to be seen and worked out Both are at the same time true And I see in in non-duality circles a lot. It's it's very it's a very tempting Escaper out for the ego to say oh, I've learned I've seen the ultimate reality And it's nothingness arising out of nowhere happening for nobody. So there's no one to look inside anymore There's no one to inquire. There's nobody here. And so when triggers happen, they're like no, no No, no one to look inside no one nothing to devote to there's just nothing and It's you know, it's sound and it's true from the ultimate sense, right? That's that is the highest possible teaching But if we're if we're trying to grab on to that too early It just becomes another weapon for the spiritual ego to delay our realization with Because we've we have this concept that we think is the ultimate reality and I always want to say You know, that's technically true. There's nobody to look inside and all of that But I know that's not your lived experience Because you wouldn't be talking about it like this if it was Right, it's the ego is professing how enlightened it is through you and so for you It's like no you can know that that's true Yep, there's no one to look inside and say well, if there's no one to look inside Why do you keep telling me to do it? It's like, you know, maybe don't worry about that so much Just keep looking inside, right? Keep finding the division within yourself and becoming aware of it bringing it back to truth And when when your awareness is ready for that realization that the true non-dual realization of there is no person There's no one looking inside. There's just looking is happening, but no one's doing it, right? When you're actually ready for that to drop in and be embodied it will just happen to you, right? It'll just occur to you. You'll see it in your lived experience It'll it'll connect somewhere and in a deeper place of awareness And there'll be such a peace and a grounding from it of like oh, almost like a joke was played on me And now I see it. There isn't a doer of actions. There's no one healing itself You know, that's just going on as as the creators having this dream of itself, but I am that So I always like to encourage people not to be in a rush To claim those high-level concepts because I think this is why ancient masters For for thousands of years in the Buddhist tradition and Hindu traditions have kept those teachings For very very very advanced disciples and they don't give those things to newcomers, right as often because they know it's It's so tempting for spiritual ego to grab that kind of a truth and use it and weaponize it And so they they really just want to teach their newer disciples service to others, right? devote yourself to a higher to the higher truth and just the the basics of Awakening and once that has been integrated to a certain extent then there's actually the bandwidth in you I think to understand non-duality in a way that doesn't Fatten up the spiritual ego perfect Yeah, and this plays directly into true simultaneity as well Like if you can hold all of it at once as well like I if you like distilling down the nature into the most simple and direct pointing possible is Amazing and like that's what should be the target and not something that's wrong condoluded unneeded And so when you do visit things like simultaneity of being able to both be a Seeming individual that has soul that has lessons that etc on behalf of the one and yet also at the same time Having a duality where there was a veil of forgetting and I did forget that I was the one and now I Apparently woke up through this veil this veil and now am the one and non duality Which was I was the one the entire time and there are no individuals and there's only the one forgetting and remembering itself and I think and I think that that's a really good way to put it is a true Simultaneity of all of those things and if you can put that into like the first when somebody says What's my nature when they seek is to provide them with that? Simultaneity of the bat then they also don't go into the fattening of the spiritual ego and all of the rabbit holes of that distract them for years Yeah, yeah, I mean in a sense the fattening of the ego will serve them as well You know like like we said in the beginning this probably happens to virtually everyone on the awakening path at some point And there's a lot you learn from that But but it's interesting how much we can expedite the journey those those processes of the journey by you know Having good little pointers and signposts. Hey, just watch out for this You know just watch out for the way ego loves to grab on to these shiny concepts and start parroting them around and I Even see a lot of non duality keyboard warriors out there You know who are like disagreeing with everyone's post about everything. No, no, you're all wrong So you're infusing ego into this There's no person and they just get on there man, and they're just ripping through people's Instagram posts And I'm like see I don't think the Buddha would be on Instagram, you know rebuttling everyone for their non duality Yeah, it's so good. Yes. Yes. Ah Mm-hmm There's almost the hilarity of the Implicit that it was but that was being overlooked and so that's another reason why Buddha and so many others just rumored to just be like there's more enlightenment present in this flower than there is in the spiritual texts and just yeah like So in that place into what we were saying about falling in love with just the sip of tea and falling in love with the Breath itself and falling in love with seeing the one in the eyes of the apparent other and just doing that so much to where you just channel love you emanate love you are love and and then and then it life becomes much easier too because You you don't suffer. You don't cause suffering. You shine love everywhere You serve life that way And like what else could what else do you want? Like there's nothing else You're so nailing it man I find that to be more and more true as time goes forward that that Love is always the most cutting-edge thing to me Doesn't it seem that way like people can get stuck in concept about emptiness and you know the ultimate state is the void Voidness and just being lost in this emptiness. No mind, you know, perfect silence and That is an aspect of the natural state. Absolutely, but if there's no love there. It's like it's sort of dry and tasteless it's not that interesting but Even in you know, what's happening in the world right now or an interpersonal conflict you have with someone and To when you're able to bring love into that rather than just I think sometimes we can especially when we get good at Becoming pure awareness and just being the witness of life just being the observer We can almost put life at a distance because you're like, I'm just the witness. Nothing's happening It's like that's true in one sense from the absolute sense But there's also the relative which says that a lot is happening a lot of evolution is happening a lot of catalyst Is happening and life wants you to meet that but it requires love to meet it You have to love reality Otherwise, there will be a part of you that can use emptiness as another sneaky way to kind of put life at an arm's distance Because you're just sort of dismissing everything is it's just the arising of mind. It's nothing, right? And I find that love is more cutting-edge than that Isn't it? It's just more radical. It's it takes more gumption I think to go there to meet life with an open heart and that's that's the beauty we're talking about when we say like the sip of tea can just overwhelm you with bliss because Because you do experience ultimate reality in it you experience the divine in something so seemingly ordinary That it blows you away that the divine is so all-pervading in everything Like man, I keep there's nowhere I can look but I don't see ultimate reality expressing itself. Yes, that to me is bliss That's joy. Yes. Oh Yeah, there it is Yes, oh so good and I love I love how you said that with love being the cutting edge that In order for you to meet the school that life is for itself that to come with the love for the school for itself like Showing up with love for school Otherwise the catalysts come and like you said there's not a showing up with love for the catalyst that I generated for myself Versus showing up with love Every moment is like oh if I just reached too fast to grab my water and knocked it over That is just a reflection of how fast I was moving that I wasn't that I wasn't moving with love and with gentleness and sensitivity Yeah, mindfulness. Yes. Yes, so there's so many like examples like this and love is also present when yeah like when we interact with each other is Like right now seeing love talking to itself when we said earlier consciousness talking to itself When we say the one talking to itself the one is awareness love and light so this is love talking to itself and To really feel that is to feel no separation And that's and then when all those last bits of separation dissolve The only thing that's left is just that love and that light and and you and service because then then And I'm sure this actually comes up quite a bit I feel like I feel like we have so much to talk about and one of the things that I think might be most interesting for us and also for our audiences is the most common patterns We talked about the the spiritual ego grasping concepts and getting over inflated and that type of thing We we are so many good things that we could talk about like how to find the most signal the fastest is Another good one to talk about but I would I would also like to talk about how what shows up most common in terms of like lack beliefs in terms of people feeling unworthy or separate or Like they want validation from the outside world and then how do you help them like see like to transmute that? So let's do that and then I'll also want to talk about like a creativity as well as another thing desire Nice. Yeah, can you repeat that question one more time? So what are the most common lack beliefs that are showing up and how do you help? The people you serve transform that Yeah, I think one of the most pervasive lack beliefs is exactly what we've been saying here, which is the belief that any any aspect every any moment of life is Lacking total enlightenment, you know in any way we do that to ourselves all the time Some moments are holier than others some moments are more spiritual than others And that's a huge lack belief that has to be corrected if we are to see Supreme guru teaching speaking through everything so good, bro. Yeah That I would I would for sure start with that one You know in my masterclass I one of the things I cover is I go into What I call the three beliefs of ego Which sort of speak to the three Negative emotions that we suffer from which I would classify as sadness or really just lack belief that I'm incomplete sadness anger and fear and That there's three kind of core beliefs that the egos only ever Pulling from one of these three beliefs to create the thoughts that take us away take us away from truth And the first belief is the belief in lack If you had to verbalize it, it would be like I am incomplete I'm not enough something is just missing inherently, right? Yeah. Yeah, and so that that belief creates the foundation for the second belief Which is basically that my happiness or my fulfillment depends on outcomes Yes, things outside of me will fulfill me right external fulfillment is the second belief and That belief causes anger Because anytime we're trying to get fulfillment from the world and we get blocked Blocked from our fulfillment or attachments that creates anger in the system anger is like the energy that the The emotional body creates to blast through that wall that's blocking me right use more force to get through it and get the outcome I want So that's the second belief and then the third one is also Follow suit from the second one, which is I am the doer. I'm I'm in control So we have I'm incomplete my happiness depends on outcomes and I am the doer of actions Which is a funny sort of paradox or contradiction. I love how a course in miracles actually says the ego is a contradiction Because we know the ego believes it's lacking But at the same time it also believes I'm the all-doer. I'm the doer of everything I'm the controller the initiator of experience. I'm doing all of it But like both can't be true, right? You can't be lacking and incomplete and unworthy and inadequate and be the doer of everything So they contradict one another but ego just doesn't let us notice that right that our beliefs about who we are are totally contradictory So that belief in lack has to be corrected first because it's kind of sets the foundation for the other two that follow And if you can correct the belief in lack and you knew that there was absolutely nothing lacking Which is a very deep conviction. I think that has almost endless depth to it Then you would not believe that there's anything outside of you that can fulfill you That would be seen as an absolute illusion and you would also not be able to believe that you're the independent doer of actions because Absolute total abundance also implies there's no lack of action being done. There's no lack of motion activity All of it is abundantly provided already by reality. So I'm just Witnessing it. I'm just enjoying it. I'm just experiencing it. It's all happening of its own accord That to me is the state of like absolute abundance where there's nothing I can claim credit for because I'm just absolutely overflowing with that sense of inner fulfillment and that's the state of the Tatta gata right is one who is not divided at all within It's it's a state of just non-division non-separation And so really it's to me solving the belief in lack is That daily journey of looking inside and saying where am I divided in myself? What division still exists within me and how can I bring that division back to love back to unity? beautiful Ah Hmm So good, I love the first point on the transformation of lack belief because then if from From source if the first and this is what Buddha taught with dependent origination if the first thing that's coming from emptiness from void from sourcefulness is a Belief in lack then that's going to create separation fear anxiety Wanting to extract happiness from material objects relationship right I just I love that because it goes right at the heart of of of it Which is if you if you know what nature is from source Then you know there's never any lack and you know that Like I am absolute satchitananda existence consciousness split Man does everything just flow from that so to shift oneself from Lack believing lack as possible is first and foremost. That's yeah, that's so so good because it's at the source It's at the root Yeah, and then the fruits shift because the fruits change based on the root nourishment if the root Nourishment is deprived which it is it's deprived if you believe in lack Right, then yeah, then the fruits are gonna be they're not gonna be fruits And that's why then there's like sad sadness depression anxiety, but if the roots are nourished because true knowledge is is Present in the entity then it's so clear that the fruits that emanate our service to others The fruits that emanate are wholeness. It's wholeness. Yeah, I love that I love the going directly to absolutely nothing is lacking. That's so direct Yeah, but as you know like the emotions we feel are just the effects of our thinking our belief system So by the time I feel sadness or anger or fear something's already gone astray in my mind And so I just you know simply teach to start back engineering that emotion Sit with the emotion feel it and be like hey, what message are you trying to tell me? And I find whenever there's sadness hopelessness weariness depression of any kind and you really Sit with that emotion and inquire into it express yourself to me. It will always say I'm lacking something That's where the sadness originates So then once you know that that's actually the cause of sadness is the belief in lack Then you just have to question lack itself. Does lack apply to reality? Does it exist in reality? And of course you find that it doesn't exist except for as a figment You can never point to lack right? You can't show lack demonstrate lack prove it put it on a scale You can't do that. So sitting with that awareness over and over through inquiry just allows it to become a deeper conviction and the conviction naturally Flourishes within you as that feeling of peace or as bliss Yeah Yeah, and I like how you pointed to metacognition. That's one of probably the most important entry points for For people is when you when you feel Sadness or suffering is to just gain a level of an increase in awareness or an increase in perspective Or to just use your breath to just slow down and to see like what is this negative emotion? Trying to teach me and it's and it's usually that I'm believing in lack right now or Or that Because you don't the interesting thing is you don't ever feel that when you're serving people when it's a Unbelievable freedom That's felt when when you're in pure service when you're the directional arrow is so directed toward the other self's heart and just focus on them that there's so much freedom and Felt there. Yeah, that's when you 100% node lacks not possible. Yeah Yeah It's it goes back to what Christ said about when you when you serve when you give don't let your left hand know What your right hand is doing I mean don't let your ego take credit for the service How noble am I how loving am I but serve for the sake of service because you see the creator You see God in them and you can't not love it and devote yourself to it and that to me is like the pinnacle of Achieving a state of non-dual awareness is that when you just love truth for the sake of truth Yes, I think that's when you talk about the direct path the accelerated path That's when awareness the expansion of awareness begins to be really accelerated because when your heart is like Absolutely immovably devoted to truth for the sake of truth not because it enhances me or makes me more wise or any of that Which I wouldn't say that that's wrong But just because truth is reality and I want what's real and what's true because it's true It's part of my nature Exactly you become devoted to truth from that position Awareness becomes like a like the sharpest dagger you've ever wielded It just starts to catch anything that's based in untruth Because because when you're in love with someone you don't have to it doesn't take any effort To be devoted to them when you're madly in love with them to notice whatever thoughts in you are not In alignment with that integrity of love you notice them quickly and easily But it's when you're not devoted to something That ego can begin to take your attention away to other things So being devoted to truth for the sake of truth be doing service for the sake of service Like that's karma yoga, right? It really is one of the most immediate direct routes to liberation fuck yes Hmm and Okay, so then this is what in In Master your mind That's the core One of the core teachings that you'll be communicating Yeah, we just go really deep into the three beliefs and and see the Infinite variety of ways that they show up in our daily Experience because it's just about becoming aware, right? And if we don't know what to look out for then we won't catch it So we we give a lot of practices and you know every day they're doing the meditations on that Module the teaching in lack or external fulfillment, and it's just like sharpening my Awareness of those energies so that when they show up I just start to catch them quicker and quicker, right? Yep, that's and that's the metacognition component to it, right? The master your mind is teaching metacognition and it's it's so good. I Love that so then that okay So that eight-week course is something routine thing. Is that that's the beginning of 2022? That one's just year-round like an evergreen kind of thing. It's also everything cool. Yeah Anyone who signs up for that as soon as you sign up you get access to module one and each module opens up one week later So that's that one is kind of an anytime thing the living the course program begins January 1st through December 31st Okay. Yes, sweet And that's a course of miracles the living the course cool, and that's year-long So I love this I also love Aaron so much because he distills out what he learns into Courses so so this is another really important thing for our for our audiences is like if you want to integrate one of the best Ways to integrate is to be like what did you learn? Like well what like what happened like what is metacognition like you tell me how to handle a negative emotion now and then that's great because then if if if you turn Awareness on itself in its process You unite more and more intimately with the one and its nature And you learn how to teach your other selves in the process because now look at what Aaron has Aaron has his massive Library of his content that he's put into evergreen courses So it's also not something that he has to keep his attention on which is another good thing It's to for everybody to consider is like well There's new strategies that exist where you can package in your content Over a period of eight weeks. So you make videos two videos For each week let's say and then those 16 videos are able to people to access any time they want as an evergreen course and so It's so good And then you get to collaborate with other people as well like on your other projects the law of one book club as well Along with the living the course is that you get to build great Relationships with people that you can co-create these courses with so if somebody else is like waking up with you It's a perfect opportunity for you guys to both sit down and like hey Let's like let's design something around what we've experienced and share that with our friends And so it's just it's a cool feedback loop of the one teaching yourself to teach learn and teach. Yeah Yeah, I totally agree that one of the best parts about doing any course or program And there's so many good ones out there is the community that you get to go on the journey with It really does so much of the work for itself Just being in community with other people devoting themselves to these truths and doing the work every day with other people It's I can't remember where this is. I feel like it's in one of the Vedas, but they list the five Like five essential components for self realization You know stillness of mind is one Compassion for all beings love for all equally is one and one of the five that they list is satsang Community with the wise with others and so whether it's you know There's Bantino's course or one of your courses or one of my courses you get with people who are all doing that work And it just crystallizes and compounds in such a way that it just seems exponentially More direct than trying to go it alone and there's you know, there's nothing wrong with that either But if you're looking for Right the most immediate direct route if you don't want to waste time Then I think get into a community of people that are doing this work. Whatever the work is and That will be probably the best thing you can do for your spiritual growth. Yes. Ah, so good. So good It's it's so true Cuz like the faster that you surround yourself with people that you like everybody's experienced this you put yourself into a community or Around other people smarter than you you become smarter really quickly and so find like whatever your North Star is and You know if that is awakening then find the most awakened communities and enter yourself into them But it if it's just business for now, right if it's just like making money for now What do you want to do you want to surround yourself with people that are wealthy and that like know how to And so it's the same style of satsang applies to all literally everything, right?  What do athletes do you know wrestlers when they want to go to the Olympics? They go to an Olympic training center and they train with the best wrestlers on earth. Yes, and any sport It's like this musicians. You want to play with the best musicians you can because they're gonna sharpen you It's absolutely no different with spiritual seeking Consciousness Olympics of consciousness, baby, like athletes of consciousness. I love it Olympics of consciousness. It's so good, huh Yeah, like I feel like that's what we're doing like the show for sure had a greater Interest in like science and entrepreneurship and then it gained a greater interest in spirituality and non-duality And it's really cool because now the people that a lot of the people that come on the show now I couldn't see our Like masters of consciousness like and that's really cool like to put together an Olympics of consciousness where we're we're basically we're having dialogue about what is like the core Like quickest way for people that feel separation that feel lack that I feel like they're trying to like extract and get and Right for them. Yeah for them to wake up because that's what That's what like this is so good this Olympics of consciousness So in a sense, it's like a North Star for us now is taking the individual awakened people and Putting them together into a global Spiritual awakened community that then works together on you know building out the cleanest energy the cleanest agriculture the cleanest Basic needs being met the most artistic actualization happening across the planet and all being done with Without creating any Separation so kids being born don't get the onion layers added on to them But and so then that's how the feedback loop speeds up for Earth awakening because there's no Built-up separation that then has to like be seen through and dissolve. Yeah I think that's the answer to everything that's happening on our planet right now Is that there's just not a real alternative to offer humanity yet to say hey Yes, this is the old system the old model that's kind of the service to self hierarchical model governments top-down structures But there's another model Which is the service to others model where no one has any rights anyone else doesn't have it's all an equal exchange of energy we don't just try to punish bad behavior, but we just incentivize good behavior and To really have what we call an enlightened civilization requires somebody needs to build it at some point Like it has to be a conscious manifestation on our part because we're living in an old system a dying system That's clinging for dear life to stay alive on our planet and as we've we're moving into fourth density now It's going to become increasingly Intolerable to live under that system as the vibration lifts and we'll find there is an increasing hunger for Something else, but people don't really know what that looks like yet And those of us on this path know what that should look like and have The inspiration the passion the excitement to build it. We just got to start building it What we can't dethrone the old system from within it It's built to keep recreating itself as long as they're still greed and jealousy and pride and selfishness In our collective consciousness, it's going to keep manifesting again and again, right? So really the way out to heal this planet and move into a fourth density Civilization is we got to get together getting community and start building it and that's exciting And I love the feedback loop that it has because when you when we collapse The distinction between subject and object or between consciousness and physicalism that then we recognize that the more Awareness love light the density of consciousness That that vibration is exactly what dictates the physical Appearance or manifestation which then feeds back into the way that consciousness experiences itself And so the it closes the loop on the subject object duality and so you recognize that the By far the most important thing is the purity of the vibration of the entity How much it knows itself and then from there Everything in manifestation becomes so much more pure in terms of service to others building out shambalas across the planet Making the conscious shift to decentralization technologies abundance for all all of this type of stuff Which then feeds back into people being able to go to shambalas instead of being hit with the the corporate hierarchical centralized monopolistic oligarchical fabric that has been Extracting for so long. I'm serving in some ways, of course, but also It's as the indigenous would say it's not in harmony with the planet and it's not In a seventh generation Relationship with the planet. It's not thinking 200 years in advance. It's thinking like how can I get for my shareholders tomorrow? So So I'm also happy that you have a interest in the architectures that you have an interest in Yeah in transitioning the planet onto the the next designs Do you that that would probably also be a good spot to tune in with you a bit on is Are you currently? Are you currently seeing the like the decentralization of the monetary system and the The unleashing of the The suppressed energy technologies and the permacultural Styles of of creating abundance. Do you do you feel like those are at the core on like the physicalism side of like meeting basic needs and Like fractional ownership for everybody or nobody owns also another way say it You'll own nothing and like it Yeah, I Think this is one of the things that the top-down power structure system seeks to do is to really instill this belief in lack in the collective consciousness that man Especially like through this pandemic, right? There's this Feeling creative like gosh The world is so dangerous and deadly and full of evil diseases Just waiting to leap into your body and murder you and there's so much scarcity in the world It's the supply shortage and it's all this giant illusion right because all that's happening is the abundance of The planet and of reality is just being hidden and suppressed so effectively that people are buying into this illusion that we're lacking There's not enough resources to go around so that's one of the exciting opportunities that building and enlightened civilization and enlightened community offers is that as We know there's so many free energy technologies that have been invented Available but they get hijacked, you know FBI shows up and takes it away the next day and These people have nowhere to go to begin using and integrating their systems Because there's really no communities yet crying out for that stuff or attracting that stuff So yeah, we can get into a self-sustaining community that we build. That's totally independent of the system We grow our own food. We have our own doctors our own medicine our own technology everything and Then now that we're not relying on the old system anymore We can bring in free energy technology in our thriving community and start using it start putting it to use And then people will start to notice. Hey, have you heard that down in wherever they are? They're using free energy already. What yeah, and it's all crypto-based. What yeah, and it's all self-sustaining People will find out that this is already happening somewhere and that will spark that will open I think the awareness in our collective that There is absolutely no lack There's just abundance and we can create we can have a world that lives in abundance. There's plenty to go around for everyone But in the old model It's a system built on lack, right? It's a system that's built to disempower or suppress the individual for the sake of the institution or the elites and We have to flip that upside down and say how do we create a society that empowers the individual and That's what's really exciting is in a truly enlightened world Everyone will just do what they're most excited and passionate about Because as needs arise in societies, we see this happen in our world. How does any new technology any new product get invented? It's because some need surfaces and then somebody gets excited about feeling that need of a passionate night to them and Source consciousness manifests an answer some new product. That's super innovative or whatever That would be how society would thrive is that everyone would just be incentivized to find your passion and give the value to the system that you can bring and That way there's it's value in value out. It's Like ACIM says the law of love says that giving and receiving are one So in true giving there's always an equal exchange, right? There's never like I have to Remove or deny myself something to give it to you. That's how the old model Works and thrives and it's just not true. It's just an illusion, right? There's absolutely ways we can provide value that returns back to us and not have to live under this the system of lack anymore Yeah, ah, it's so good feeling into awakened architecting it feels so good feeling into it and it It's also so good when I see the little like four-year-olds running around and playing is like seeing them already playing in these enlightened civilization architectures it feels so good and Like that's our star. That's what motivates us Love that So how to bring let's say You me What we're doing With no limit society here or what? You're doing with the different initiatives and the different communities that you're involved with or like Aubrey Marcus or whatever all of these different Spiritual communities. I'm so interested like we talked about the Olympics of consciousness. How do we bring the spiritual communities together? to do the architecting and also to like to reflect to each other where we can Still come from a more pure place or where distortions may still be hiding or Or yeah, like or like how to take the things that we've refined as pedagogy and be able to share that that type of thing as Well, how do you envision all of the islands coming together? Hmm. I Think they they will just come together so naturally when we begin Encouraging people to just get in alignment first Like stop doing things you don't want to do Because you're you're in a sense. You're still betraying yourself in a way when you're doing something you don't want to do That's not your highest excitement That's the belief in lack, right? Well, there's not room for me to do it I'm passionate about or or it's oversaturated. There's not enough You know for me to make a way doing that These are the only beliefs that hold us back from really stepping into what our destiny is in this life And I think that we just won't Realize our potential it won't and can't be actualized until we start saying Radically saying yes to that meaning I'm only going to do what I'm inspired to do I'm going to I'm going to pursue the Passion that source has placed inside me because I know that that passion is not my the person's passion That is actually the source's desire Manifesting through me. And so the most aligned thing I can do is say yes to that And it doesn't mean that you're you're working another job while you're transitioning or anything like that It just means you're prioritizing your excitement your Giftings your passions and I think that like I went to an event this weekend in San Diego called the heart of freedom and Met up with all my friends were down there and everyone is so uniquely gifted some of them are doctors Some of them are experts in crypto and building blockchain technology. Some of them are experts in Entertainment music content creation And we're just sitting around hanging out with each other just looking around like man There's nothing we can't do in this group right here We could start building a self-sustaining thriving community today And if we need another gap needs to be filled of we need someone who's good at this Trade or technology say hey, I know a guy and they invite their friend to come in and When people feel the love the unity in those in these circles that we build these communities We build it is so contagious. It is so infectious. It's irresistible to people It's what everyone is looking for right a place of unconditional love and acceptance where your uniqueness can be expressed and appreciated And there's a place for you to fill Gaps and give value back to others I mean everyone's due in service to others everyone's being fulfilled expressing their passion to me That's the essence or the foundation We have to build the enlightened civilization upon and again there it is right that system incentivizes everyone equally Yeah, and there's the deep trust and there's the deep surrender and the deep faith that this collective is Totally going through a shift to fourth density and that it's very visibly having abundance and architectures for prosperity for everybody But that it's it's rough It's not a you know It's got its war and its death and its calamities and disease and all these types of things that it had to go Through you know Charles Eisenstein also said that about like the plan. It's just going through its absolute hardest separation possible in order for it Like a rubber band snap right into its Greatest enlightenment possible. Yeah Right so cool. It's it's the dark night of the soul for a mother guy. I think Yeah Yeah Yeah, and it feels really good when Like seeing it on a big picture timeline feels really good because you can become that all-ness in a sense Like being the all that is falling asleep and remembering itself And then it and then that you know that really inspires you too because it makes you more formless. It makes you more Everything that's it makes you more no thing this and and then it decentralized as your Consciousness even more Transpersonalized as you even more And it feels so much better. It makes love so much more easy to channel when you're like that It makes devotion easier to this. Yes Yeah Yeah, I mean supreme devotion title of our talk today It's like I'm just devoted to the highest good of humanity. I think David Hawkins uses the scale of consciousness right and talks about how Enlightenment begins at 600 700 is self-realization and the higher up the scale that you move Really beginning at the 500 level of love your natural disposition towards life just becomes increasingly I Can only do I the only actions I'm interested in taking are actions that benefit the whole Because your awareness of oneness is so great at that level that a Ramana Maharshi level sage Literally every action they take every word they speak is for the good of others And if there if there's nothing arising to do or to say for the good of others, they stay silent. Yeah, I mean that's the That's the epitome of self-realization is that your sense of self is completely non divided That every action you take is to benefit the collective just naturally That's that's what's exciting And I think that the immediate route To get there is we got to work through a lot of this darkness that's manifesting You know, we've had tyranny control enslavement on this planet since day one of humanity this has been the modus operandi for all of human history and We can't move towards a truly enlightened civilization that benefits everyone until we meet these energies we've been entertaining on this planet for millennia and Forgive them and heal them and see them as futile right see them as irrelevant to where we're headed and then naturally they'll drop away and That's what we have to do in our individual lives, right? So often If you if you're really devoted to truth That means you lose the ability to skip over or bypass anything because you understand everything in creation is happening for a reason if There's a shadow a trauma in me and unhealed Aspect of my consciousness. I can't skip over that I have to be devoted to healing that as well, which means I have to let myself feel How I feel in this moment and that's a that's a tricky one, right? Because a lot of times we don't want to feel uncomfortable especially when we are experiencing lots of peace and stillness, but there's still some things within us that we haven't maybe completely healed yet I Find myself doing this all the time just moving through my day and there's just a very subtle layer of anxiety in my mind Different tax tasks. I got to do and it builds up so slowly during the day, right? Where you don't recognize it until it gets to a point where it's intolerable and then you're like, oh man I've been I've been ignoring this anxiety all day and just realized it Because I'll be like, I'm gonna go read. I'm gonna go meditate I'm gonna do something because I don't want to just feel what I'm feeling Inquire into it, right? That's the first step to true transcendence and so when I see what's happening in the world I see it works the exact same way with the planet. There's no skipping over this We have to see you know the the child trafficking the drug trafficking the wars the genocide the tyranny the Authoritarian control we have to be able to see all of these things and understand where they find their root in us. I Can't judge the greedy elites for hoarding all the wealth to themselves if I have any trace of greed in me I'm contributing to their greed. I'm manifesting their greed if it's in me So less and less we judge the world and more and more we look inwards and take responsibility And that's not the sexy thing, right? That's not the shiny non-dual concept But it is the fastest route to freedom if you want freedom. I love the straight-up not Talking unless it is in service to the whole So good, I love the sense of self being so decentralized that that is Or so realized is another right great. Oh Realize it this realization is decentralization or decentralization is realization. That's pretty cool decentralized ego That's also cool, right you can look at things innovations like crypto and how how cryptocurrency is solving the problem of financial corruption on our planet, which I think really is if we had to point to one thing that contributes the Most to the forms of corruption It has to be the way finances are manipulated in the world right through the banking system and all this and fiat currencies and money printing It's like how do we get rid of that corruption? Well, we can't solve it in that system We have to just build a new one that makes the old one obsolete and if we look at how cryptocurrency does that What does it do?  It's only worth what we say. It's worth, right? That to me is such a great parallel to the journey of awakening is realizing my oneness with everything Stop dividing myself. Stop compartmentalizing everything. You know, it's so cool. How everything is fractal, right? It's all really one thing. It's the same healing evolving process everywhere you look Yeah We could get into blockchain and all that too, but So good. I love that the One of the cool. Yeah, one of the coolest visuals is to see the one as yeah, just fractaling eternally and expanding and exploring and and actualizing that potential and just knowing that like I am that like and that as I wake up I just serve myself waking up and Like it just it can't really be more like simple than that Like I love consciousness, right? Like, how can you not love consciousness, right? And that means you love everyone Yeah Right So it can be so simple and kidlike too or like I love existence and then I love all that exists You know, I love reality so simple a child can understand it Yeah Yes, and and then like and then the child like joy and like freedom can come up more and Like before all of those layers because you could even say that like the deconstruction project that is awakening or enlightenment In a sense, it doesn't even have to happen if there's no construction job that happens in the first place like of all the layers of separation and conditions and location in the body and all this type of stuff Yeah, and we miss so like that's a great north star for us is to Build the future where there's no onion layers for kids that even get a built put on in the first place Yeah, yeah, I love the quote the Buddha made after he You know attained enlightenment one of the things he said was when I awakened the whole world awakened with me all at once and The course touches on that when it talks about The Christ in you is the savior of the world when you when you Discover your Christ nature the whole world is saved through you. It's the same idea Which I think is touching on seeing that innocence that essence of the Creator and everything that is perfectly innocent and transparent and free and perfect and As you recognize that in others and in yourself you start to realize Everyone's actually already free There's just the illusion that they're bound They just don't know that they're free, right? So when you see someone who's deeply lost in delusion and ego in the dream state you actually see that as Enlightenment in a weird way because you realize without the dream state. There's no awakening without illusion There's no enlightenment So they're actually two sides of one coin It's this process of source experiencing itself and that enlightenment is inevitable in every living being Whether it's in this life or the next life, but it is going to happen and the contrast they're building now Will set the context for their awakening later. So in a way, they're awakening now They're already awakening even though they seem on the surface layer to be totally unconscious and lost in a delusion a Part of you recognize it recognizes them as awakened I just find that to be interesting and it doesn't make conceptual sense obviously, but it is it does become a lived experience Yeah, and that also plays really importantly into seeing People as probabilities and seeing like always being tuned into their highest possibility right Yeah, and like seeing them already as God as the one and and Like in a very non-attached way, that's another really important thing is the non attachment because and In actually natural radiance is what creates The service the service is a really anchored in the non attached radiance of love and the grasping us or the neediness of the other to accept the The awakening that's being communicated or whatever this it's it's more about the where it's coming from in the lack of where The lack felt from where it was coming from from the entity of where it was coming from Yeah, bro, I feel so good I feel so good about Like I love how you love David Hawkins also. I feel so good about his levels of consciousness his map of consciousness It's just so on point. Yeah Yeah, and like that's another one of those like maps or symbols that we've sort of distilled and integrated and And I think that that's one of the other cool things is like at some point You know in five or ten or twenty years like younger people will be looking at the people we've studied and also they'll be studying us and they'll be trying to distill out what we communicated across our books and our courses and our videos and our content and It's almost like yeah It's like a responsibility to us because that's the fractal like nature of course but it's like a responsibility for us to to To give them as much signal as possible as quickly as possible So I think that would that was another point that I wanted to mention is Like if you are I know it's tailored to each individual exactly as it is needed for them But like generalities in terms of generalities for know yourself accept yourself become the creator and generalities Do you typically point to things like? metacognition For becoming aware of awareness. Do you point to like doing shadow work for getting through your core lack belief seen through them? For becoming the creator. Do you point them to like the who am I self-inquiry teachings of Ramana Harshi, right? So yeah, what are your generalities for the most signal fastest? Yeah Well, I I just love AC. I am obviously so much and I think it's In a lot of ways. It's sort of just like a handbook to enlightenment So I do I think I probably follow pretty closely to a lot of AC. I am teachings the chief of them being forgiveness Forgiveness is just the act of becoming non divided Unseparated inside myself and there's different ways you can even teach forgiveness. You don't even have to use that word but non-doership is one of my favorite things to teach just because of I think The realizations that are available if and I acknowledge that it takes some time to sit with for for most That to say you're not doing anything is the most ridiculous idea the mind can entertain because man, it's one convincing illusion but To begin to penetrate through the facade of ego by by pointing people to their direct experience I think is the most powerful because their direct experience will begin to show them These truths naturally so to give a pointer like What we call the person that we think we are that we relate to is me is Actually really just these five sense organs and I'm just sensing I'm experiencing taste touch smell sight and all that and It appears because of the five of those happening all the time. It feels like there's a person doing it Yes, so it's like go to your senses and find out Through daily inquiry find out if there's a person doing hearing. It's being done by an individual entity or Does it feel more accurate and honest to just say that it's sort of just happening and there isn't anyone at the helm Like don't hear this just stop hearing this right if you're the hearer don't hear what I'm saying You start to question those things and it breaks down that illusion and you say, oh, yeah, there's actually no hearer But hearing is happening. There's no seer But seeing is happening and you start to disidentify from so many of those illusions and in my at least in my course by Teaching this in many different ways it starts to give people some breakthroughs in their ordinary perceptions They're dualistic perceptions and they start to have an experience of what it means to say There is no doer Doing the living. I'm just being lived and that's living from flow, right? Once you're once you start to connect with flow Man spiritual growth becomes so accelerated so easy so natural so simple Because it's all being done already, right? You're just sort of we get in the way of our own awakening by thinking that we're doing it Rather than that. It's just unfolding through grace So it's like that's what I try to show my students a lot is that you're not in charge of this ship of awakening, right? It's just happening in you already So it's like get out of the way surrender to it allow awakening rather than do awakening So good awakening is allowed not done It's big so good. Yeah So good. Yeah life is a map is an infinite processing system and to like allow the processing system to happen to expand Yeah, rather than the contracted sense of self to do So good such a good like Mmm contrast there and and then to associate oneself like identity-wise with life with the processing system with the allowance and Then I would also like to ask that's great for parsing for for signal and then I would also like to ask So we with no limit society with Bintini I've been doing a lot of work on on Desire and like the juxtaposition between desire and like wanting right craving right craving is like Graspy and like desire is like God desire is like the expansive force of the universe abundance Abundance Shambhala's yeah, this type of thing. Yeah, so we tell tell us about how you feel around like desire like the North Star Creativity. Yeah, how you feel about that? I love it. I love your Using that North Star analogy so good like you're you're always devoted to something. Yes Whether you know it or not might as well devote yourself to the highest Yes, and just to plan that the the book that I first wrote last year called high-level perception The logo was a triangle with a star at the top Nice, right? That's because that's what it is like. That's the North Star perception You're always whatever is in that position is what is the probability space is carving itself out how it's coming up Yeah, yeah, right well going back to how we were saying let life live you let awakening happen get out of its way ICIM uses the teaching I need do nothing And it says Like that that phrase I need do nothing. It says is a statement of allegiance a truly undivided loyalty And then it says believe it for just one instant and you will accomplish more than is given to a century's worth of contemplation That's pretty radical Yeah But it's like do I believe that because what matters is do I believe it right? I can have the shiny concept and I can teach about it make memes about it or whatever Do I really believe it? Because if I believe it it'll show up in my devotion to life. It'll show up in my daily surrender It'll be evidenced in the way.  There will be this loss of ability to resist You know what I mean? There will be a loss of ability to criticize what's happening and more and more just a stepping into it and opening a Softening emerging with what is and that's where power is that's where divine potential is actualized So that's what I'm always excited about in my own life And when you talk about the the experience of living from abundance to me, that's that's the whole essence of it right there Bro, I feel like we are even just getting into flow right now like to get out right So you feel it when you're in it. Yeah, I feel so good Dude, okay, so und this was so good When you say I need do nothing And then this like the undivided the non division and the undivided loyalty the supreme devotion really kicks in just like you said just the like the allowance of that The flooding of then the love and the light that comes forth the service that comes forth But contrasting that with studying the libraries full of concepts. I love that. I love that contrast Because it's so true that you could spend millennia reading the corpus of this collective But you would never in that time Learn I need do nothing And then if you really allow for that free a bit. I like how you said There's a loss of resistance. That's perfect. There's a loss of resistance Emerging with what is yeah, and then I love this. I love the simultaneity of the of the of the merging of what with with what is the loss of resistance to what's appearing and Also recognizing that what's appearing is just God's will of the past in the present and so then you sort of You unfreeze more and more of your will and you recognize that right now I am creating what I'm going to experience in a year. So do I do I want to? Do I want to write a book do I want to start a show? Do I want to hang out with some friends? Do I want to move back to my hometown? Do I move to a different country? But from right now with your creator stylus is God Expanding itself into its potent infinite potential. So yeah, and that's a great way to to like Simultaneously recognize the non-resistance and the creator hood you are an infinite creator And so to like see the simultaneity of that no resistance to what is because it's just a collection of what has and also a Just like so much of like an adoration for the paintbrush also That's another way you could we could look at devotion or you know, Bakhti It's like being devoted to my highest potential You start to see that as sort of the highest act of worship that you could give to the creator Is that the creator has made me a fractal of itself to express some amazing? Aroma essence fragrance of what it is. So what better service what better love what better worship could I give the creator? Then to allow again that potential to be realized It just it's so intuitive isn't it something and you just knows that this is the highest form of worship It's like I could worship Christ from a distance I could worship him on a pedestal and that's maybe helpful at a certain elementary level of our Spirituality, but at another level you start realizing no no to become Christ is the greatest act of worship to Christ Right to manifest Christ is the highest form of worship or love And so then you begin becoming busy getting about your father's business as Christ said because you realize It's it's the same thing like like the Course teaches God's will and my will are one There's only God's will you just haven't realized it's actually your will. Yes, and when you introduce a separate will that's what we call suffering Just don't do that, right? So good Don't introduce separate sense of will That equals suffering Always and all the time So good as Byron Katie says, but only a hundred percent of the time. Yeah And like and like I love I love where where we've been going also with with recently with With desire and and like the law of attraction Abraham Hicks because what you have is you have this God's will that becomes roaring out of your heart It's God's will roaring out of your heart in service to itself awakening in service to having the Shambhala's for the children to come It's so good.  What a liberation what freedom? And so just to shift the polarity to service to others and to like moving attention like more and more away from Serving myself and getting for myself, but to shift attention towards others serving others I mean that in itself is such a strong teaching like karma yoga like you said like that's that is such You could say one of the most. Yeah rapid accelerated pass even more so than Yana than the knowledge or Bakhti Bakhti's great, too. And so is Yana, but like yeah karma yoga can really quickly Push you from a service to self ego oriented state of being to oh, yeah state. Yeah You know Ram Dass's guru Maharajee famously whenever people asked him, how do I become enlightened? He would say feed the poor He's like that's my highest teaching, you know And I see that that karma karma yoga is really Bakhti The same thing at the ultimate essence of what they are it's devotion to to love and I Talk about this sometimes in other interviews. I do that I grew up Christian I did I was a worship leader. I did the Christian thing for 23 years and As we all know the Christian religion as it is today at least Has very distorted theology very distorted understandings about the divine But what they do really well is the Bakhti They worship God relentlessly they sing songs of praise. They they do service to others feeding the homeless I was always doing that stuff. Yeah, and When I left Christianity when I had my awakening out of religion at 23, I went headlong into The more masculine oriented religions of Buddhism Taoism and to an extent Hinduism Learning about the wisdom approaches than Yana, right? What I wanted was wisdom at that point because I had so many distorted beliefs about God And so I spent, you know, five to seven years Just diving into those texts and teachings and man, it served me a ton of good It was absolutely what I was missing But at a certain point I became I think a little too overbalanced on the wisdom side and I had For almost years. I had sort of forgotten that God is love and God can be loved and experienced his love God had become an intellectual pursuit, right? And I was Going through a really intense bout of depression Because I had all these shiny spiritual concepts that weren't getting my getting rid of my depression It's like I know Nonduality I can teach it really well, but I'm still depressed and this was years ago when I was living in the Bay Area And I got to this point where I just broke down one night and just started crying out to God Just complaining being like I don't know what else to do.  I try to forgive people I read I study like what else do I need to do to get liberation and it was like Array of sunlight bursting through the clouds or something. I swear this like voice dawned inside of me and said Aaron, did you forget that God is love? You forgot that I'm love. You just think I'm knowledge now. Yeah, I was like so good and I did forget that and at that point What felt like the best medicine to me because I was just so you know depression is like being so self-absorbed It's it's a type of narcissism in a way I was so depressed with me and my sad story that what felt like medicine was I wanted to go To children's hospitals and sit with dying children and love them and bring them toys and you know Do something to get out of myself and get beyond myself So that's what I started doing and like you said, it was the most immediate way out of that dark night It started to fill my heart with the love of God and that love became the medicine I was looking for it lifted my soul to a higher vibration To where now I can actually integrate these shiny concepts I've collected because the foundation for everything is love if you don't have love you're missing the picture still Wow, what a good take on fourth and fifth density There that's good. And then the unification in six. That's so good because And I actually I really like putting it like that way like where you have a like a Abrahamic style of service and like the love there and then you have this like Hindu Tao Buddhist style wisdom and like the merging of the two I mean It's it can be a cool way to to view it like you have to have the wisdom of yourself as The one infinite creator as capital S self with no lowercase S self but you also have to have this Christ consciousness of love of Just infusing every single moment with Mwah and Engine in that vibration like that and those two together are unstoppable unshakable indestructible Eternal infinite. I mean abundant prosperous giving there's So so rich such a good way such a good way to put it That's the know yourself love yourself and then become the creator Yes, if you can't know yourself and love yourself, then you definitely can't become the creator, right? Yes, so cool Um Another one that I feel is good to to touch you is that When you have a Myriad of people that are seeking and that are attending like you've you've sort of you You've created new operational Efficiencies for yourself where you've Created evergreen courses things like that where now people can come and like take the evergreen course and that way you don't have to Focus time on the daily to that, right? It's a recurring thing. It's it's quite nice like that The the question is like When you're having people hitting you up on Instagram and asking you a question Sending you an email asking you for a zoom call taking one of your courses. They have a question about what they had on the course That you're also trying to design new courses Do you do you have a Do you do you have of like a prioritization Do you feel like it just naturally organically sort of flows like your attention to what's most important continuously and like flow Do you also have some sort of like a structural like analysis of of Like like old there has been a backlog that has picked up of kind of replies that I need to get to how is that process Been like for you as somebody that's emerged more and more as teaching That's a that's an interesting question. No one's ever asked me that As I think about it, I think it's it's mostly intuitive. I just sort of do the best I can With what's happening and I try to give my energy and attention to whatever life seems to be demanding the most of it So I can't Over extend myself in any one direction I found Martyrdom becomes a big part of it, right? Like I got to answer every single question every email every dm every comment It just becomes impossible because you know, you're only one person in this relative reality So that's why I agree with you that creating different courses creating content and putting many many modalities out there that people can Whatever path is resonating with them if they're interested in law of one or AC I am or just basic non-duality Teachings, you know, you've got different things available. But yeah, I'm just really always trying to be present with what's showing up and What's what's demanding the most of my attention right now and just to be with that and it takes a lot of self-love To get to the place in any career any profession, but certainly like teaching When you're like, I'm just tired Like yeah, I have a backlog. I've got all these people that are saying hey, I'm depressed and suicidal help me But I can't give the best version of myself when I'm burnt out So the most loving thing to do for me for everyone involved is to rest for now. I'll come back to this tomorrow That's been a hard one. I think for all of us. Yes, but it is an aspect of the love and wisdom balance. I think Cool so good. Wow So beautiful I want to I want to mention again What you said earlier about Trans the That the very thought of I am incomplete or not enough is exactly what Creates the sense of separation it creates the sense of lack or unworthiness or needing to get something to be whole And if we sort of nip that one in the butt right off the bat The sense of wholeness or love that arises from their light. Oh, I love that So I think that that's really critical for all of us that are listening is that Specific thing like from this episode that's such a good direct pointing like right at the source right at the heart of it Right at like the direct path of it. That was so good. So good Yeah, it's a teaching that endlessly Teaches me more every single day. You just you just become more aware of the ways you're still perceiving lack And it's like I don't I don't know if that ever ends at a certain point I'm psych it's almost an endless deepening you can have because abundance is infinite So it's almost makes me wonder if the realization of abundance will just keep happening Which I have no problem with because it's it's an exciting and blissful journey to become more aware more aware more aware of What's available and begin actualizing it? Yes, and like unite more and more intimately and truthfully and honestly with what was What gave rise to you you like you yeah, you like you become in source You remembering source like that deepens deepens deepens and the way you express yourself purifies and purifies and purifies and that That's the lesson that we go on this adventure into and then there's that great video that Aubrey and I'm Charles recently published on On Aubrey's channel about how it's like we decided Aaron We decided to come on behalf of this one infinite creator to come to this collective and to go through this soul journey and to Serve this collective in its process and just like that insight also is so Can be so powerful too is that I purposely created for myself this divine experience and the school the school the school the school it's it can take you So far to see it as as a school Yeah, like Ram Dass says who was it that said that's a Ram Dass You're already in the university now might as well start taking the curriculum You're in the university, baby, that's right. The university man. We're enrolled already Yes, and and yeah, Ben also said something recently interesting too is like you're already in the like the war zone Like this is it like so do the STO do the service to others There's nothing else you can do no amount of extracting Any try any kind of external thing for happiness will work. It won't so you may as well go so hard towards service to others Now and for the rest of your life. You're already in the war zone. You're you're you're already in the university Yeah, it's so good, man when you say that it sparks a metaphor I use sometimes about The journey of service to others and how it Allows us to leave this density and move to a fourth density consciousness if you imagine like if you fell asleep every night and you kept having the same nightmare of being in a war zone and there's just Landmines blowing up body parts flying people dying blood everywhere just absolute hell and chaos and you have this nightmare every night And so you're in the nightmare and you're terrified So you're you're shooting your gun and trying to kill as many people as possible out of fear out of the belief that you're separate And but nevertheless every night you keep having that same dream And then at a certain point it occurs to you maybe if I change my Relationship to the dream it'll stop happening So the next night you get in the dream and you start you put the weapon down And you start running around rendering medical aid right to people and dragging them to safety and rescuing as many people as you can and then all the sudden the dream changes into a beautiful dream and then it leaves your experience and you stop having that nightmare I Think it's a perfect analogy for what third density is. Yeah, we're here to experience polarity Light and dark and make whatever choice our soul authentically wants lighter dark But make no mistake you will not leave this realm until you choose lighter dark And so when you start living from service to others that is your declaration to the universe, right? This is the path. I'm choosing. I have committed to this path. This is my way out of this density and at a very The universe doesn't require too much of us It's like just show me your hearts devoted to love and service and then you've you've passed that grade of school, right? You can go to the next grade We just don't realize the game we're playing and that becomes the real challenge of third density Such a good analogy and such a good dream metaphor so perfect Yeah, so You're in the war zone You're in the war zone stop shooting and people you know be a medic and and then Shambhala Manifests and then it's the end of the dream and then before you know it you're on to another More difficult more complicated more adventurous dream where you'll also forget and start with shooting people It's so good so good, bro What a good way to rap. I'm I'm like so in love with this This is really strong like I feel a really cool brotherhood emerging here and likewise brother So good. It's so good. It's it's like Like bro, like I just have a whole page full of good Wow from today. Let's do it man. Yeah, it's so good, bro you're like There's just so many good ones and and like the the tennis was really good and and I think it's just the beginning of being able to like have these great wisdoms and loves loves and wisdoms arrived Together and And perhaps even the beginning of some more conversations. Maybe some co-creations on some course stuff, too There's so much good to to blossom from here some co-creations on shambalas on the on the planets next architectures So most definitely so pump, bro. I appreciate you having me on man. I've loved it. It's been a blast So good to hear. Yeah, there's many more. I want to share. Let's see if I can get Some of the content up. Yes. Okay, so let's start off with This is yeah, this is Aaron's Instagram You can go and give him a follow of all these links are in the bio below By the way, you also have this is his link tree link. You can find The living the course which is here This is the year long for a course in miracles with him and Mark Anthony Lord and Then you can find also here the master your mind And that's here master class This is such a cool feature, man It's so nice. I love it. And then yeah restream, baby Love this and like and like hopefully other people can see like how easy it is just hit this up Show available time slots book your free discovery call. This is a great way To just shatter through any egoic layers an increased metacognition Um Bring forth happiness lasting happiness becoming the creator Um, so this one's great. It's only eight weeks The law of one book club also Um, so this is Aaron and Krista Williams So this is another one that you guys can check. This is so good for law of one so good guys Um, so this links in the bio and then also the conscious vitality is also in the bio Um Yeah, so that's some of the some of the core offerings that you guys can check out um, and definitely Just even the simple subscription also to his youtube channel is another great place To and like like if this video brought you value also like it and share it with people This is another great way to share what Aaron represents with people sharing the video itself liking it subscribing to the channel commenting below with what You know what was said that really resonated with you Drop it in the comments and let us know and we would love to we would love to hear from you And yeah, that's that's all any uh, any closing closing thoughts Uh, man, this has just been such an enjoyable conversation. I love how easy it is to drop into flow with you um I do so many podcasts and uh, you know, everyone has their own unique style and that's fine But a lot of times podcasts are the questions are scripted and so there's There's always like a break like we go from one topic and then let's talk about acim and then tell me about law of one And we just jump around it feels kind of disconnected But I love when I can talk with someone who we let The conversation itself dictate what happens and I think we had a really Uh, delicious flow in this conversation. So I appreciate you and the way you facilitate man Thanks so much. It was it was so nice that that summarizes it really well for me, too And it's organic like that with uh with when the vibration is like harmonized together like that Because then we hit all of the topics that were divinely meant to arise in the convo and and so many more so many more to come So thank you everyone for tuning in love you so much Thanks, erin again for coming love guys So much love so much love. Um, I'll end I'll end the stream and then you and I will stay in the studio for just a minute. Okay, cool Bye everyone