want, I want, I want Ella to elaborate on that only because, you know, you went viral for that video saying that it's hard to differentiate the good women from the hoes. And low key, that's kind of what we're talking about. Cause some of the traits in the good woman and the bad woman and this are similar. So say more about that. Well, a key part of that song, video that people leave out is, I said that their interests are the same. See, when I said they standing too close to the hoes, I didn't mean like they are literally standing next to her. I'm talking about standing next to her mentally, standing next to her socially, standing next to her interest base. They defend certain arguments that these women defend. They all lock arms. It's the sisterhood before the people.  Black men not even on the list, you know what I'm saying? As far as what I see, as far as the priority of who deserves there to be prioritizing in the mind of the sisterhood, that seemed to be the hierarchy. So when I said that, it wasn't just about how they dress because women do dress very provocatively based on they did 20 years ago. Just like it's hard to tell the difference between a lot of young men cause every young man is tatted up from his neck to his wrist. Some of them might be cybersecurity guys, but they look like they gang bang because they have believed that that's the image that women want. Women believe that the man want the image of an over sexualized woman. That's why every woman, I don't know too many women who don't have at least two or three pictures on their page that has a sexual vibe to it or revealing vibe to it. That's just standard issue now. You know what I'm saying? What you say the other day, you said the protrusion of the nipples. That's cute. I mean, that's just regular. You know, just seeing a woman dress sexy is not, it's back in the day. The only time you've seen a woman get overly dressed up is at the prom at like an event or you'll see a woman that's a street walker or stripper. You didn't see these overly sexual, women dressed overly sexual. And unless you've seen that back in the day now, that's the norm where women dress sexy just on a regular. That's, everybody is a little bit sexually liberated. So it is hard to tell the difference based on just not how they look or what they talk about, what they defend the music, their voting patterns, their belief system. You know what I'm saying? They all seem to have the same train of thought in some way or fashion. They all seem to deal with the same kind of guys. They all got the same sob story with the God I used to deal with.  Like it's always this creative player. It's never just the dude who worked at Verizon.  But you know, he was moving rich though, but it's like just keeping it a buck. That's what you like. That's what you like. Don't lie about it.   No, you're not. You want a D boy who ain't a D boy, no boy who went to jail, but he got his degree, but he got saved and he got a 401K and he into it though. And he loved the Lord and he into the homeless. Like you want to create a player. You don't want a real man. You want to create a family that's great for all your kids. So like I said, television. Women are looking at the loving hip hop guys, the athletes, entertainers and they keep saying those dudes want hoes. Yeah, they rich. So they want something that's going to come from money.  Look, I got money. What's good? Look at the music. All the dudes in the music today is crying. Back in the 90s, the girls was crying. The dudes is crying now. She's a runner. She's a track star. They break these girls and breaking these dudes hearts. They not- Pause one second, brother. Pause one second, brother. Lucky, I'ma come to you next, but I want to get to these super chats. You know, I want to do a better job. Trade day, he says, I like star reports say, or like star reports say, I'm just here for the bull ish. All right, we don't do bull ish over here, but welcome, brother. Mr. Ali, he says, if you take V away from women, they would have nothing to negotiate with. Men allow women to break them, divide them and control them with V. Courtney, we can get socks all day. The question is, can women keep men with V? Can I respond? Marcus, okay, sure. Because that's a talking point because you hear just pearly or another woman say, majority of these men are not having sex. Majority of these men, one out of three are virgins at 50. That's not it. The talking points in this is that, no, you can't get sick. Is it false, though? I don't- Is it- What is false? That comment or the other comments or the talking points that men are not having sex? See, the- I would never have been pearly over you. Listen, listen. Yeah, the difference between the talking point, the difference between the talking point and the fact, right? Okay. There are some talking points that are factual. Okay. We don't like to repeat them because people are repeating them, but there are some talking points that are true. You know, women have control of the access to sex. That has, that's a big, big factor in all of this. A huge factor. So you, we can't dismiss that. We can't glance over that. No, I'm saying which one is true because what Illa is saying is that men can get sex all the time. The talking point is that men ain't having sex and they can't get it. Which one is- That's true. I say men can have sex all the time. I never said that. Illa never said that. No, you never said that. No, I'm sorry. It, the- I'll leave. I'll leave. I'm sorry, I'll leave. The comment. What I'm saying is that he's saying we can get sex all day. But in the space, and we've been talking about the managed space, they are saying that they can't. They're saying that majority of men between the ages of this are virgins, that these are in sales, that are involuntarily celibate or virgins. So which one is it? It's both. It's both. I think the, what makes this as complicated is because typically when women are talking about men, they're talking about, Kayla calls it select men, right? They're talking about the men who check off the boxes most women want. But when men are talking about men, they're talking about the macro. And on the macro, most men are not that adapt at pulling or retaining women. But for the men who are, for the men that women say they want, I think what Aliyah's trying to say is that if women didn't have this bargaining chip of vagina, a lot of them wouldn't be equipped to compete for those men. Because that's kind of where I'm coming from with this conversation is like, it's one thing for men who haven't done the work to make themselves competitive for women, to be complaining about women. It's a completely other thing when men who are top five, top 10% men, saying that, oh, these women are still treating me like I'm a little boy. These women are still belligerent, are still argumentative in the whole thing. I think a lot of times we conflate both those conversations. But we'll come back to it. Marcus, shout out to you brother. He says, illa is destroying the matrix, throwing the towel. Aliyah again with the $20 suit. Listen, I gotta clap for this man, man. We've been blessing the stream. Shout out to you brother. He says, we knew what those were in middle school. We watched our mamas do the same thing. We are allowing 30 plus old women tell us they don't know what men want.  They know what we want. All right, Pesty, he says, Courtney was dead on that attention. Confusion is real for women. The gamble is I could get a future or I could get a Russell, regardless of him being a simp. And that chance, bigger, small will always exist. Mr. Brown says again, vocabulary is important. Lauren is speaking about blue pill men or pookies who is fine with lying with women or living with women. Wait, let me say this. That was the question you asked. The question was, yeah, so I asked the question. So she was specific to the question, absolutely. Sherwin says, no, we want you to understand how we think, not to think like us. If you understand how we think, you will relate to us better. Absolutely. I'm with that a thousand percent. Marcus Evans, chill, Courtney. I'll leave two people. Stop that! Villan trucker, he says, but why do women give attention to bad boys as they seem as protection in deeper sense, or, I'm jumbling that up, or is just a fun thing or is it both on different levels? Villan trucker also says, why did the Scorpio string you defense or because it was hungry? All right, brother. Ali again, he says, Courtney has been doing this for how long? Oh yeah, we already read that super chat. Rich, yeah, Rich, the brother ranch, he says, they aren't coming for a better understanding, they're coming to play the game better. That's interesting. Marcus again, he says, so if I keep messing with a scorpion and it stings me, is it my fault or is it the scorpion's fault? Jason, did I read this already? Lucky is right, the men are slaves today. Yep, I did, but I think I missed two more at the bottom or three more. All right, Marcus, he says, fellas, drink some of me. Shout out to you, Marcus. Jason, he says, being listened to comes with responsibility of understanding how men think so that your feedback is heard, basic communications, and then feminine miracle just became a member. Shout out to you guys, I appreciate supporting, the stream. Maybe I need to do more panels. This is the most lucrative stream we've had in a long time. Oh, wow, I got a few more. Let me get to these. Ali says, here's an easy one for Courtney.  Are we talking about the men you want? Courtney, you want us to run?  We're holding you accountable. I'm gonna come back to you, Lucky. Okay, here's an easy one for Courtney.  If we said we ain't gonna get none of this unless I put a ring on it, yes. It definitely would increase your absolutely rights. I'm gonna stay on Courtney right now. Why? Why? Why you won't stay on me? Okay. Does he see power in you? He sees what? He see power in you men are only hard on women that they see the same thing. We talking about the woman. It is what it is, it is what it is. I agree to that. And what I'm saying, I mean, I've never said anything different. And we're talking about the men you want. I got the men, I won't. How about that? I don't have that sound effect, but okay.  Okay, I didn't have a word about. Listen, okay. I think women need to have a better understanding of men. I think men need to have a better understanding of women. We just need to understand and listen to our people as a lot more. However, we need to realize that women are never going to be you. And so a lot of times in these conversations, it's hard to have a back and forth because the men will champion anything that says or are just like what they would say. Those are not honest conversations. Me just parroting what you want to hear to get an applause or a super chat is not honest. I will never come up here and be whole lockstep with a man as far as my mentality because I'm different. And all these women are different. And I think we need to champion the women that can be outspoken and speak on what they think. So that's how you can understand us better. If I just get on here and say, that's right, these women are trash and they need to close their legs. Yeah, that's true. But it's other nuances to that too. Women love, wants to be validated. We love attention. And it's unfortunate because the women that are getting the attention now it's not from their spouse. It's not from their boyfriend because we don't have it. It's from IG, Instagram, Facebook. That's where women are getting validated from. That's where women are getting attention from. It's sad, but it's true. And I think this resolve should be, or the solution should be our roles. Our validation should come from our man. Your validation should come from your woman, not IG, not posting thought pictures, man or woman. It shouldn't go like that. But we are because we're out of balance. And we can get balance with honest conversation instead of you just wanting to hear something that twiddles your ears and makes you feel good because that, in essence, validates you. We get validated from IG and men get validated from these weirdos online, especially the women that just speak to what you want to hear and it validates what you have to think about women. It goes both ways. Nathan, at some point, I will have you give your thoughts on that. But let me finish these super chats. So Ms. Miranda, she says, if there are invisible men, they are invisible women. Absolutely.  They waste your time and prevent you from being a better you. Absolutely, brother. Mr. Brown, he says, I respect that Courtney, the difference is that you come to the space in good faith.  I know you don't like that word. All right, Lucky is a woman. Lucky, I saw you make a few faces when Ella was speaking, where there's some things that stuck out to you that you wanted to address. He's actually not wrong. I just think it's always specific when men say these are the reasons why we aren't like this. And it's about a woman.  So it's almost like we can only acknowledge why a man is a certain way, but not acknowledge that who did God make first? It's like at this point God should have made us first. If we're the ones that are giving y'all solutions and we're the ones that men can't do nothing until women do something first. If we are chaotic, like you said in nature, then wouldn't it make more sense to get with the men that are more dominant in mentality that understand like, okay, let's take charge in these areas. But if we're listening to what men are saying and I agree with what he's saying, but it sounds like, well, because women like these men that look like thugs. So men, women actually are telling you what they're attracted to in men or following what women say they want. Instead of saying, no, if you want those type of men, I'm gonna be this man because I want this type of woman. If you know gangsters, go with strippers. I thought that's what Tushor said. Gangsters and strippers. He didn't say gangsters with church ladies. He didn't say businessman with strippers. That's how it always goes. So if you are trying to portray yourself to be a thug or a drug dealer and you work at AutoZone or Verizon, it's kind of like you're gonna get a girl that's gonna look for you to have that money and you can't keep up with stuff. So then you take her out on these dates that she's supposed to be appreciative for or say, I wanna sleep with you after this because I didn't spend this on a date because that's above your means. You're portraying something you're not. So it's the same way with women.  So it's like, I think it's the same on both ends and it just comes with who's gonna take the lead to set the stage and say, okay, I'm not this, I'm not a gang member. So I'm not gonna portray myself as says that's an individual thing. That's why I said I was raised on individuality, not a unity thing. If you don't wanna be Nathan's a cop. If you don't want the mistaken identity, don't carry yourself as a drug dealer. Now I'm not saying that cops don't be, you know, that's a whole other conversation. But in general, if you are carrying yourself as a suspect, you may get that, you may get followed around the store because you represent something. There's the things that happen. Now there are situations where you just gonna be discriminated against which I'll get what I'm saying.   And sometimes like I'm gonna tell men you wanna say, don't listen to women. If you need to listen to the type of woman you want, if you want a woman that is respectful and this is what she's attracted to, you as well have to be what that woman is attracted to.  No, what does that woman want? She does want you to be productive. She does want you to have a go get her mindset. She does wanna know when you're broke, how do you act? So all these different things matter based on your mindset.  And I think that's the point. Most people don't carry themselves as they wouldn't even choose themselves. So then they go into this relationship, expecting somebody to be okay with something, they're not okay with themselves. So I think most of these are individual problems. It's you as a woman, you could portray yourself, you could like to dress sexy, but there's a fine line between being sexy and dressing like a hoe. And I think sometimes when men say that they should probably be more specific because I don't know not one man who is gonna tell his wife, you know what babe? I like the saggy brush you had. I didn't like when you got your breast lifted. I don't think that as long as it looks nice and it looks presentable, I hear men being okay with things that women's bodies go through or things where they wanna dress a certain way and be attractive. I know men who like their woman to look attractive according to what he likes. And if he's okay with it, it's okay. I think the problem comes in, we listen to outsiders who say, if you acting like this, then your husband must be a sin. If you like this, your wife must be that. And then you start to bring that home. But if you're okay with that, that's your individual agreement. So I think it's the individual thing. So, Lauren, I'm gonna bring this question to you because I asked it a lot during, hold on, we gonna come back, I promise, I promise we gonna come back. I asked this question, I asked this question during my interviews. And the reason I asked this particular question is because a lot of times when we critique the opposite sex, it's almost done it with an assumption that we would do a better job. And I hear it a lot with women.  Well, I mean, with respect, not only like for myself, but others, I think that's where we dropped up. Like, if I were a man, like the ball is just dropped. Men come from women, right, come from your mom. And yet you have men disrespecting women.  You also have the decision to walk away, right? So it's like the respect factor is gone. So that's the first thing that comes to my mind is just like the respect factor for me. And I think about my brothers, I'm my only girl, I have all brothers. And I think about how they move, respectable men. And they actually, one is like very traditional, right? Like really respects how man leading the household and is looking for a woman that holds some of those traditional values and standards. So I think that's the kind of, if I were a man, that's the kind of man I would be. It's like this man who like holds on to values will have integrity and be respectable. Cause like, that's what I see. Well, I'm just wondering. Yeah, so two things come up a lot when I asked this question during my interviews. Number one, the women typically says I would be a hoe. Cause I want to feel why men move the way that they do. Cause I already, I got the cheat code. So I know how to seduce women. I know how women think the whole nine. But then you get the opposite end where they describe a guy that they wouldn't go after. Like they describe the respectful, meek, more traditional, less exciting, more docile guy. And a lot of men here that like, you are describing a man that in real life isn't incentivized. And I think that's what the men on the panel are saying. Like women want a quote unquote good man, but their behavior and their history is not incentivizing that type of man. Because when they're describing their history, they're describing a drug dealer or they're describing the promoter, the exciting guy. So why do you think there's that disconnect? I think there's this innate feeling that this person could change, right? Like I know that the goodness in this person to become this respectable guy is there. That they're just assuming this role. Like they, women believe. And I'm saying they because I do not believe these things. So for all the people that's like language, like I described the man that I would go after, but the women feel like they can bring that out of a man a drug dealer or whatever. I see it all the time where these women are dating these drug dealers. And then it gets to a certain point, don't you want to settle down? We need to stop being in the streets. No honey, he's not. Like he's been doing this since he was 12 likely in the street slanging, right? And now all of a sudden at 34, 36, you want him to chill out. It's not gonna happen, right? So it's just that feeling that women can change them and they're not. So question, how many brothers do you have? Three. And you said your brothers are less problematic, more traditional. Do they have an easy time with women or do they typically get overlooked? Easy time. Explain. Well, one, they're good looking, I would say that. Like they're easy on the eyes, so that's never been an issue. They're extremely active in the community. So they're like, I don't want to say, they're not public figures, but they're seen in places where you have some of those respectable women. So their association, I'll just kind of theme it, is that like they're associated with things that are more positive rather than the other side. Yeah, I think those are the two. Have they described to you kind of any pitfalls or any complaints? No, I will say it, I don't want to say this, sorry. I don't want to paint them be like perfect because they're not, right? I do check them because they're men and so they do think with their dicks, right? Like they make moves, I'm like, why would you say that? Why would you do that? Like so I don't want to... It doesn't work. You thought this was cool? Like, you know, so I just want to like make that statement that, you know, we're all flawed, but I don't want to paint them out to be like this picture perfect, but no, they don't struggle to get women. In fact, they got women waiting in the sidelines. If the relationship that they're in goes to shit, okay, I've been waiting for years, like, you know. Yeah, and I think that's what happens a lot during this conversation. Like, it sounds like your brothers are outliers where they figured out a balance between the two, but like most men who are quote unquote good men, who are traditional men, who might not be extremely good-looking or extremely tall or have resources or social status, they're going to be overlooked, right? And they don't got a lot of resources. They don't have a lot of resources. But if they good-looking, you know what I'm saying? That's an advantage. So I think what men, and I'm sure Nathan is going to like elaborate on it, what men are saying is that the type of men that women would describe on paper and the type of male behaviors that they're incentivizing in real life are inconsistent. And I also want to say too that, like the men that we're talking about or that get the most attention are the men with the largest platforms or like, you know, that they're kind of dominating these spaces. It's unfortunate because nobody's trying to listen to a boring, and I would say boring because they would literally click the channel or on TV or on a radio or on some podcast. Like they were not listening to a guy that has a nine to five that's respectable and has built the 401K and trying to like, nope, they don't want to listen to that. And that's unfortunate, but that's the society we live in. So I started at the beginning of like, it starts with self. If you want to not be in the mix or if you're okay with not being among the popular podcast or YouTube channels or whatever, I mean, I think people will find more success, but a lot of people are stuck in this like, kind of phase of, I really want to be accepted by the masses, but I also want to remain myself and you can't have both worlds. So last thing, what do you think is the greatest challenge of being a man? Not a man. Just walk a mile in our shoes for a second. What would you assume? Even thinking about your brothers, what do you assume would be something that's tough? I don't want to say maybe confidence, but like, you know, you're being compared to other men. And it's already hard for men in general in this world. Like you have to measure, like you got to find a job. You got to not only provide for yourself but provide for other people. Take care of this, take care of that. And then you have to like, compete. And I don't want to say, ooh, compete.  That's the women's word. Man, don't compete. Okay, I get it. But like, keep it, y'all want the same kind of chick, okay? And so that's a tough thing to deal with. So don't highlight me, because I'm not working with you. And I ain't looking. All right, so. Talk to us. Okay. Because this space is supposed to be filled with good men. They get overlooked by the woman, because the woman just, only she gives it out to 10% of the men. So not including yourselves, but name someone in this space that's a good man. The man with men to get overlooked, right? This is a good man. Name someone in this space that's a good man. Are we judging good based off a character? Well, they're, I mean, I just want the bit to ask, who would you suggest is a good man?  So, and they all claim to be good. Do we name creators or like, you know, maybe channel members or? You can create, you can have a creator. I mean, there's three on the panel, right? I said excluding them. Excluding them. Excuse me. Dr. TSI, Dr. TSI Johnson. It's a good man. It's a good man. It's a good man. If I had to name like a channel member, brother, wrench Turner, good man. Paul, Paul Arthur, good man. I don't know, sir. Are you talking about single men? I don't know. I don't know. Il Khan Ali, a good dude. Bruiser's a good man. That's two right there. And you know, and this is what I want to say. But this is what I want to say. This is a really good point. The reason why I admire Nathan so much is because, you know, when Nathan and I met, it wasn't because we were necessarily aligned, right?  Nathan is awesome. You know, Nathan is awesome.  And if you guys look at the channel under the Listen to Black Men series, you'll see some interviews I did with him. And our conversation was probably the longest interview that I've done.  And in those three hours, we agreed on some things. We disagreed on some things. But what I admire and I appreciate about Nathan is, despite the fact that we might not have seen eye-to-eye on certain things, he wasn't married to his positions. If I made a good point, Nathan was mad enough to say, you know what, that's a good point. Whether it was some super pro-black shit, the white man, and this, this, and that, and he's not really that. And I wished that women evaluated men similarly. Like, who is a man that has the integrity and the confidence, Lauren alluded to confidence, to not just, you know, pick a position and stand on it, but also be reasonable enough to adjust his position to the truth, right? Or to accommodating the ways that other people might think. Right, so, you know, shout out to the brother Nathan. I admire that about him, and I admire that about men like that. And I've seen that in brothers like Tia Sondr Johnson as well. Like, he's coming with the knowledge, but he's listening, right? Like, my whole thing is about listening. And that's a skill that's lost on men and women these days, especially in our community. So I just wanted to make that point. Yeah. Well, I agree. And I think the same way about Nathan. And the reason why I asked that question is because, again, that was a, I mean, he getting on my nerves right now. That peanut head, I just want to strangle that's a whole other topic. But I bring that up because we can say all these men are good in this space. And I'm just talking about this particular space is that there's this full of good men that are overlooked. However, you just need to name five. But the commonality of those men is that they're balanced. They're balanced. Majority of the men in this space are extreme. They're not balanced. They don't take accountability for anything. It's just, it's the women. It's the women. And it's like, we have to have a balance. So good women like a balanced man. And those men that you name was only five. Now, out of all the content creators in this space, you named Tia Sons Johnson and Bruzer, I guess. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know how I feel about it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You know how I feel about this space. But he's balanced and he's married. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But again, it's, y'all don't, you didn't have a plethora. Oh, I can name a whole lot that are necessarily good men. But this space claims to be a whole space of men that seem seemingly overlooked because they're not the hype, because they don't have the six figures. And I don't, just to add to what Courtney is saying. Tell you again. That in itself, I don't know. Sorry. No, go ahead. I was gonna say that in itself debunks the narrative that all women want these six figure, six feet men, because most of the men with these problems that we say are pooky, they don't have six figures. So that just shows you most women are willing to work and build with a man if he is in the right headspace and he has a certain level of integrity. The thing is, is that women get behind men who are imbalanced or extreme. And then she too becomes whatever the reflection is. Aren't we supposed to multiply what's given to us? So I mean, I think I don't wanna get off our nature as well. Women have a nature that some men reject. If you're feminine, are you this certain ways? It's why you like, you're literally on conversations being feminine. And then if you don't speak up or you're not a certain way and you have to get it edgewise, now you're masculine.   So they're getting mixed into the men that actually do like women. Because they think that because they're sleeping with women that they like them. No, you have a lot of men that want the validation from other men. They would actually go out.  But it's like, if you like women, and what is your homeboy giving you at the end of the $300? You willing to go get validation and splurge on your homeboy, but a woman who you're supposed to protect all these things for, you want access to her body and everything. But you- Real quick though, was he talking about like, he'd rather spend $300 with his homeboy versus his woman or a woman? No, he said a woman. He said it's, he don't trick. And even when we're talking about dates and things like that, he's like anything outside of over $100 is tricking. But if my homies, I'd rather take that same money and go spending with my homeboys than we have for the night. That's valid. That's valid. So yes, that seems very strange. Well, you may be y'all can answer that. Men, mature men who want validation from other men, it just seems like you're playing for the other team. I think that's- So I'll say this. Why is everything- Can we go? Why have you gotta be- Why?  But the video in question is the one where the young lady said, if you can't take her on a $300 date, just don't talk to her because she can take a cell phone on a $300 date.  And I was making a point to her that, as a man, I'm encouraging men to move in a way that we value ourselves first. And because we value ourselves, we don't off top assume that the other person is valuable because what typically happens is men put themselves in a position to, and I use the word tap dance for a woman's affection. And then when he gets that affection and he realizes he actually doesn't like her, he was just horny, then the woman is like all men start off this way and then they end up that way. So I think what the brother you're talking about was saying is he wouldn't spend $300 on a woman, which I am all for.  She hasn't proven that she's worth that. You can spend $300 on your woman, but your homeboy, you guys have built a rapport, you guys might be business partners, you guys might have a history and a whole nine. So like that makes sense in comparing spending $300 to your homeboy to just some chick that you messing with. Now, if he's talking about his woman, then I don't, you know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't. Talk to me. Only because I get, we can say that. I look at it as you can replace money, you can't unsleep with somebody. So if I'm, if I'm investing in a woman or I'm going out with a woman, most of us talk to each other on the phone before the date, usually. You know if this is somebody you want to take out. The part that's confusing is that I understand most of us tie the value in how much the date costs. I agree that a man should not spend a certain amount of money on a woman if it makes him uncomfortable or he doesn't see it being a reason. But I also think that that said man should not expect her to have sex. If she can't have access to your finances, then you should stop getting, trying to expect, expecting access to her body. I think it goes hand in hand because what sometimes a message sounds like in these spaces is, oh well, men want to sleep with you on a date. That's why they're taking you out on dates because they want to sleep with you. But then it's like, oh, how long do you date a woman that you're going to be okay with her not sleeping with you? And how do you go on dates? You don't necessarily have to be $300 on a date. It could be, we went to a picnic here, gas cost this, snacks cost this, however it's set up, you could literally spend, it costs $200 to go outside. So it comes off as if I can spend $300 to go buy a bottle from a homeboy and we do whatever it is that y'all do. But to go out with a nice young lady and I don't get to experience nice young ladies often, it's too much, I don't want to do this, but you say you want women. So do you want women or you want a homeboy? Because dating, hanging out, all of that costs money. But you want to sleep with her, but she's not worth $300, that's confusing. But this is what I would say. And I'm saying this, and I think I said this to her as well, like, I know dudes who, let's say a woman has a 90 day rule, he will stick around for 90 days, he'll hit and he'll be out. I know dudes, if a woman has a certain, you gotta spend extra amount of money to take me out on a date, he will spend it and he will leave. Like they get off on that. What I'm saying to you is, you should more so value a man who wants to spend two hours talking to you at a coffee shop or taking a walk with you or something where we can get to know if we even vibe. You should appreciate that more than a man who is simply just trying to impress you, right? Because if you get caught up in the game of, who can, and she said this too, who can apply the most pressure? You will just attract pressure suppliers. And once the pressure is applied and they get the pressure they want back from you, they are gone. So it's a lot of counterintuitive stuff because I was talking to B. Taylor and this was a while back when she was talking about having a roster.  But a dude who doesn't really care if you do X, Y, Z, go with this, go with that, it looks like confidence because he's not concerned about other men getting you or whatever the case may be. But the reality is he doesn't have any expectations for you long term. Again, these things are counterintuitive, they don't make sense on the surface, that's really what it is. And that's why I think it's important that men and women are in dialogue because it's a lot, and I told Courtney this, it's a lot of shit women don't do that doesn't make sense on the surface. But when you explore it and you really get deep down into it, oh, okay, I can understand why women gravitate towards pseudo masculine men. I can understand why women do this versus that. So these conversations are important. I'm gonna give you another response and then I wanna jump to Nathan real quick. Another response to what? I thought you had something. Yeah, okay. You said more than enough. Yeah, no, I mean, I don't want to complicate stuff, but it is complicated. That's what I do, man. It's not complicated.   When the reason why this man or this woman is at that level is cause somebody was willing enough to work with that person, be patient. Most of us aren't patient. We so easy to just be like, oh, I don't like the way, like he said, you take back a certain way on to the next. Now, I have my petty reasons why I would stop talking to people, but that's neither here nor there. But see that, that's what makes it complicated cause we're all trying to protect ourselves. You feel what I'm saying? We're all trying to like be the one who leads first, the one who doesn't get played. So it makes it complicated. Nathan, jump in there, brother. Lucky, before you leave, bless your heart.  What Lucky said is it's supposed to be simple, right? Lucky's absolutely correct. It's not supposed to be this complicated. I think we over-complicate things. Men and women over-complicate this process because we don't know and weren't taught. We weren't taught what the purpose of dating is, what the purpose of relationship is, and then also how to look for value. That's the issue. I think we're confused as to what is actually value. How does that translate into relationships? How does that translate into marriage? So truth be told, everything everybody can talk about tonight, this all comes down to culture. There's a culture problem. The problem, when you say culture, you're respectfully saying that the problem is on both sides equally, to be quite honest.  And she said that God should have brought the woman first. No, God did exactly what he did properly. And let me tell you where the women went wrong, right? You don't listen. Again, this goes back to you can't protect nobody who don't listen. What do you say about the apple? What do you say? It wasn't saying until y'all did it. I just want to put that out there. Man, listen, he said, don't mess with the fruit. OK, so right there in the beginning, women are already in violation of what? Not listening. It started all the way from the first woman, since you want to take it there. I just want to call that out. So just let me segue. Is that correct though, Lucky? Am I not correct? It's the fact we're always going to stray, yeah. All right, that's what's up. So now I got to touch on Lauren real quick. Lauren, I got to highlight you. I got to highlight you. Lauren said a lot of things. And it wasn't that she was wrong. She was inaccurate. You were inaccurate, right? I'm nervous. But here's the thing. Lauren called out a lot of different things. And in reality, everything that she said was pointing back to the responsibility women have on their own to make decisions. She said, and here's the thing, the first thing that Lauren talked about, and even Lucky touched on this too, you guys are defining the bottom of the barrel men. And you are associating your problems with bottom feeder men, men at the bottom, right? Oh, they're homosexual. Oh, he's hanging out with his homeboy more. He might be a little sassy classy, right? Would you guys forget that there are quality men out here that you are not selecting, that you are purposely not choosing, you're choosing these type of men that you are complaining about? What does that say to me? Women are picking wrong, and they are staying long. That's the reality of this whole argument. You want to blame men. You're right. You're blaming the men that you're picking. That motherfucker don't miss, man. He's good. He misses all five. He don't miss. In the heat of controversy, he don't miss. Yes, he does. What did you say you said that they're not staying? They're picking wrong and not staying long. What did you say? Women are picking wrong, and they are staying long. And I'm going to tell you, let's be real. You guys, I'm going to be honest, right? You guys know I worked in a predominantly black community. I'm always in people's homes. I see the most educated sisters, the most beautiful sisters. And guess what they got up in their house? Guys that they don't know their first name, their full name, they don't know anything about them. These street runners, right? These pookies and ray-rays that you like to call them. These guys are dominating some of the most quality women. We're talking educated. We're talking women who went to school, women who have good careers and jobs. You're letting these guys borrow your car because they don't have it.   You're feeding, you're clothing them. You guys, you are facilitating these men that you are complaining about. Now, just recently in Atlanta, not too long ago, there was an attorney, a female attorney who was deleted by her boyfriend, right? And this guy was a bottom feeder. In question, you ask yourself, what does an attorney deal with this type of guy for? Right? So the reality is, Ila was saying the exact same thing earlier, that women, you guys are not taking accountability, and I know you hate that word, but the accountability, everything you just listed earlier, all the things that you're complaining about are based on the selection that you decided to choose. I'm not saying those men don't exist. I'm saying, why are you fixated on men without a purpose? Why are you fixated on men who are low quality men? Because there are other men out here who are high quality. They might not make the most money. They might not have the nicest car, but they're better than the man that you selected. So women complain, all these guys are getting pregnant. Well, you knew he had three baby moms, but who you met on? So I'm just talking about the men that you guys are all describing. Now let's talk about the men in this space that you guys are describing. They do not represent all the men that are in this space. Now let's just be clear on that. What we can say though, is why are women taking advice from men who don't know what they're talking about? Why are you taking advice from men that are ignorant? Why are you taking advice from men who are broken? So the issue that I have is that women have a hard time distinguishing and also using a level of discernment that would help them in their best interest to make solid decisions. Every time I hear women talk about these things in this space, they're getting misled. They're getting misinformation and they're taking it from strangers that they do not know. And then they turn around and complain about it. Then they complain about their behavior. I look at it and I'm saying that is your choice. That is your decision.  You pick the wrong person to follow and then you turn around and blame it on them. It's not their fault.  You have to blame the person who fell for the trick. I say it all the time. It's easier to fool a person than to tell a person they've been fooled. And ladies, a lot of you are easily to be fooled. And that's why we have the problem we have today. And so outside of that, help me look on my list, what else I have on here?  Lastly, let me just- Top two things. Top two things. Let me just say this. Can I ask you, what are the two main qualities you think women possess that has them easily ready to be fooled? Unreasonable standards and expectations and highly delusional. Highly delusional. Let me say this. And I think this might bring some clarity. And it's not women's fault. This is men too, right? We fall in the same category. Shout out to Lauren and Lucky, right? You guys said this. The biggest problem is there's a lack of balance. But let me just say this. This is what I've seen. And this applies to both sides, you guys. But we're talking about the ladies. When we talk about women have this inability to discern the difference or make or acknowledge the difference between their wants and their needs when it comes to identifying a good partner. What makes a good partner? Women choose to focus on what they want versus what they need. And then what ends up happening is, and Lauren picked this up, she touched on this. When you get to a point to where now you wanted that drug dealer, you wanted this bad boy, you wanted this type of guy who had this type of image, you wanted him. He checked all the boxes of what you wanted. But what you need is a man and there's certain characteristics and qualities that make a man a man, that makes a man a good partner, a good husband, a good provider. Well, and a protector. Well, you ignored those things because it doesn't align with what you want. So then now when you get pregnant by this guy that you wanted, when now you get into some trouble with this guy that you wanted, you then turn around and say, hold on, I need this guy that I picked, the wrong guy. I need him to start acting like a man. Now I need him to have these male qualities, these man qualities. Well, guess what, he never had them. He never exhibited those qualities at all, but you picked them anyways. And then now you're going through real life issues, real life problems and he's not a man. And then you turn around and ask him to be a man and he's like, hold on, what? I never had a car. Hey, hold on, hold on, I never wanted a job. Hold on, hold on, I never wanted to have a purpose. But guess what? You slept with them and validated them. You gave them a baby anyways, even though you knew.  He said, listen, I don't want to be a father. I never wanted those things. Women can be very, very selfish in what they want. They choose what they want over what they need even at the detriment of their own safety and their own life. And that is the problem. You can't distinguish the importance between your warmth and your need. And that is the issue that I've seen. I don't even want to hear it more. All right, so what you got? All right, Lauren, what you got? Boo! All of that.  Lauren, did you give examples? All the examples that you gave or for low, bottom-feeder men? What I'm trying to say is I'm speaking for what the women of today are dealing with. Not me, I don't, that's not, that's not what I do. I'm not even, I'm not even trying to like toot my own horn, but I don't know what you mean. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. And also like, it's another reason why I left the YouTube space because a lot of these men are in comments sections in the chats, that's in a mama's basement with the gaming headset on. So no, I'm not about to stick around for four, five hours on YouTube. Arguing about it. When I can, arguing with these men when I can be actually on a date. That's another reason why I got up out of the YouTube space because if I do want to find a quality man, I for damn sure ain't gonna find him on YouTube.  So I just want to say, I just want to say that, when I'm speaking about what are described to think like the man that the women are complaining about, I'm speaking from the women, not from me. You know what I'm saying? I just want to make that extra clear.  Like I'm not gonna negate anything that you say because everything that you said is 100% accurate, I want to like explicitly state that I know. That's for you. No, no, you better not. So I just want to say that. No, no, I appreciate that. That there's no misunderstanding of like, Lauren be messing with it, hope both sexuals and men being in her house, absolutely not. But to your point, Lauren, can you riddle me this though, Lauren, when you hear women make those statements in your mind, do you ask yourself, lady, you're complaining about the man that you chose and the man that you accepted. Absolutely. And I even questioned the moves that they make while they're making them. Like you should hear the conversations that I have with, I don't, some of them are friends, some of them I just met, but like why would you even allow that? Or why would you even in that space to welcome that? Or he shows you this before, he showing it to you again, how long are you gonna stick around? Like I'm having these conversations, right? But what'd you say? Women don't listen. Not even to their own girlfriends. Not even to their own girlfriends, correct. So let me just say this, let me land the plane on this one. One could argue that the men in the mannisphere are simply expressing their experiences seeing said those situations. I myself have seen it from a professional standpoint. I've seen them from a personal standpoint and men are saying they're speaking out against that and they're saying, hey, hold on, listen, this is what we are seeing, but the women are complaining and saying that the men are no good, that they can't find quality men. But then when you look at their history, right? Cause we talk this channel, we're talking about the history. Can we judge people by their history? Yeah, you kind of can. You can make an educated assumption about the type of men that they're interested in based on the type of men they dated in the past. And that's what I'm hearing the men say in this space. They're pointing out the hypocrisy from women wanting to blame that men don't have it together, that black men are at the bottom, that black men can't get it together. But when I look around, I see black men, I see phenomenal black men. And then I also see the women that the men are complaining about and these men are no, they have no purpose. They're not active. They don't exhibit any type of leadership skills or quality or character. But then I look at what the woman wanted out of those men and they check all the boxes. They check all the boxes. And so I think at the end of the day, the question is we don't know how to date. We don't know how to look for, a lot of us don't know how to look for a proper companion based on characters and quality. Go ahead. You said something about like, can you judge somebody based on their past? Like that's the issue, right? It's like some of the quality men and some of them can't get over a person's past. This is true. And that's, that is the issue too, right? Like I've been a part of conversations because like I said, like I'm human. I make mistakes. I was definitely out here in my 20s letting a whole, whole section- Running up, running it up. All the things that you said- Running it up. You're running it up. Right. Okay. It's like I'm entertaining something that shouldn't have been entertaining. Right, entertaining being that I shouldn't have given any second of out of my time to, right? Right.  Facts.  But because you even entertain him, you're off the list. This is true. You know what I'm saying? So it's- It's the reality.  It does. And I think that's the message that we need to teach men and women that you're, you're be, go ahead, your behavior- I was like, this, this, this, so I want to use a good example instead of trying to talk in like all these theories and stuff. Black China, for example, right? Okay. We want to say we, everybody should change, you know, once you know, once you know better, you do better, right? So she's switched, you know, going back to her roots, whatever, dropping all the stuff that we complain about, right? But in the event that she's trying to better herself, unfortunately, she's not going to be able to get out of what she just came from. Correct. And that's happened, that's happening to the everyday girl now. This is Black China. Someone with a platform with money, who have money, all this stuff. And because we're going to reject her with her new identity, she's going to go back to what we're complaining about. So either we need to accept the things that we cannot change. If you are the person that can leave the past to pass, you know what I'm saying? We got to get over ourselves a little bit.  Well. You all come with stuff. You do too, Nathan. Come on. I do, I do. Listen, I do, but listen, but my stuff, my stuff is digestible. Some of y'all stuff is, some of you guys are insubstantial. It's all subjective, Nathan. It is all, it is subjective. But what, it's subjective, but the part that's remitting is, when we try to excuse away people's bad behavior from the past, then what it does is incentivize other people around them to think that I can be bad right now and then hope for better tomorrow. And the reality is, no, you need to do your best to be good right now so that you'll always increase the chances of you having successful opportunities in the future. You know, and here's the thing, just because a felon can get a job doesn't mean he's, he's, he or she's not going to reduce their options of jobs because of their past. Is that correct?  It means that your options dwindle away because what, people looking at your past, we can argue whether or not morally that's fair, the reality is that's, that's, that's life. And that's something about life that we have to understand, we have to respect and we have to accept that our past can create consequences in our present and in our future. It doesn't mean that we, we judge a person because again, I'll tell you one thing right here, Lauren, you have, you meet a guy tomorrow who unfortunately, say he's an amazing guy, he's successful, but then, you know, he has to have this tough conversation with you.  Right? And so now I have to register as what? A sex offender, right? But now a fast forward, he's 35 years old, he's a high value guy, now does his past not matter?  That's why I said it's situational. There's situations that you can't. I'll add this, I'll add this because I think, you know, we have to, We go all day on this. Yeah, but we have to add the gender dynamic and the reality is, you know, I use the analogy. I use the analogy of a university and an applicant, right?  And on the first day of orientation, you saw the nigga who used to cheat off your tests sitting right beside you. It would invalidate all the hard work that you put in to get into Harvard.  It matters if I'm paying more for something than somebody else did, right? It matters, let me use a woman example, for instance, if you bought a purse for $5,000 and then you found out that your friend bought the same purse and got it on discount for $1,000, you'd be pissed. You would feel like you were robbed, versus if you bought a purse that's worth $5,000, $4,000. So based on the male-female dynamic, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but the reality is men are the ones who are pursuing. So if I am a man of status, if I am a man of Timba and Calabas, we would say in Nigeria, it matters what your past is. And in Black China's case, she has to resign herself to understanding that the prince is not gonna come looking for her. She has to resign herself to understanding that because of her past, she is capped at the caliber of man that she qualifies for. And that's just the reality of what it is. And unfortunately, as she ages, unfortunately, as she continues to accumulate baggage, it makes it worse. And could you imagine too, a man has to deal with the woman whose body has been augmented and then now the body that has been these things, these objects that have been removed from her body. Now you're dealing with her looks, you're dealing with her image. You're dealing with all these, her history of how she conducted herself on TV, on social media, all the rumors and allegations, how many men that she's had. So as a man, I'm not saying that she doesn't qualify to get someone. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that her options now are not the same. Right, and I just wanna make it clear. I'm not saying that we should ignore anybody's past. I'm just saying that we gotta get over ourselves and act like there's not something that we have that other people need to get over. Because I think we get into this, I'm like, you know, just, I had like, what am I trying to say? I think we get into basically like this battle of like, oh, I'm pristine. I didn't go through anything. So I wanna find somebody that didn't have the past or whatever.  So basically what I'm saying is, just figure out if it's good for you. It's good for you. It's good for you. But instead of grouping everybody into, if you have a past, you're doomed. And that's what's being broadcasted. It's like, oh, if you got this, you're never gonna find a man or you're just chill on that. I think what happens though, and to go back to the viral Kevin Samuel's clip, he wasn't telling that woman that she can't get a man. He was telling that woman that she can't get that man. And what happens is, based on how our current world functions, it doesn't necessarily encourage women to be self aware. Every woman's a 10, every woman is beautiful. Every woman is worthy of her prince charming. And the reality is your, as you put it, your car facts matter, your history matters, your baggage matters, based on the type of man that you want. Now if Black China comes out and she says, she's okay with the man who makes $50,000 a year, which she won't, that would be a different case. But the issue that men are having is like, a lot of men feel like women are trying to sell them used goods. Women are trying to sell them hand-me-downs for at a premium. So it's not just sell me hand-me-downs, but sell me hand-me-downs at a premium, right? Like you'll see women say in their fifties, now I know my worth, right? So to, you know, there's a clip of Kevin Sam, some lady was like in her fifties saying she saved herself till marriage.  So not necessarily that she should, but from a male perspective, and that's why I asked you earlier, how would you move if you were a man?  So, and let me add this real quick. Lauren, let me get your thoughts on this. What's the first thing that comes to mind? You're on a date with a guy, right? Bless his heart. And he says, you asked him about his credit score, and he says, it's a 225. What are your first thoughts about him? My first thing I'm gonna say is what happened? What did you do to get there? And if he tells me, I'm gonna say, well, how are you getting out of that? All right.  So I'm just gonna get information. And then also, I would also check for the plan that you have to get out of it. Like, what are you doing if you're, if we at this five-star restaurant and you're credit, like you making poor decisions already, sir.  No, I actually wanna hear more. How are you gonna make the poor decisions? I don't think so. When I say hear more, meaning I'm not gonna just say, check, please, and leave him in the middle of the restaurant. I'm gonna finish. There's no way to afford it. Right. So, so, so let me act together. My question though is like, how old is this man? That's what I'm saying. I don't know. How old is he? Like, if this man is in the mid-30s or 40s getting his credit together. Yeah, there's no explanation there. Unless you just got out of prison, but still there's no explanation there. But similarly. The question you should have asked me, Nathan, was what I give him the time of day. You asked me what I would do in that moment. Would I continue with him? Okay.  Okay, so let me ask you this. But he's a good man, though. You validate the point. He's a good man. He's a good man. The point I was trying to make is to ask for credit score, he's a good man. The point I was trying to make and you're absolutely correct is imagine what men think about when a man asks you about how many men you've been with or how many kids do you have, right? And then you tell him this large number. Oh, I slept with 55 men, but I'm clean, right? So what do you think a man is processing that? Just the way you process his credit score, a man is processing your history and your behavior. Everything you just said is exactly how we think of it. We think it through. And guess what men are thinking? Men are thinking, is she worth building with or is she worth playing with? And men make that decision right then and there with a smile and will still pay the check because they've already decided whether or not you're gonna be a pincushion or be something that they could actually have value with. And that's how the game goes. That's exactly how the game goes. Alan?   But he's a good man. What's a good man? He has a, well then let's define it because y'all have the whole stream. He's a good man. Y'all don't want to do that. Everybody here say that, Courtney. Especially you, you see that head? The whole stream kills good man. You saw it, same. You know what, what is everything? It's the whole stream. He's a good man. But then we go to the credit score. But that's finances because a woman wants to feel protected. So even though he might be a good man, he's bad with finances. A good man doesn't necessarily make a good husband. No one said that, Courtney. You're not even talking about what I'm talking about. You're all over the place.  No, I'm not. Just shooting in the wrong direction.  And a lot of times we talk about potential and you know, everybody has potential, right? Like if you can see potential in any goddamn body. But is it consistent with what it is that they're doing, right, like I see him as a neurosurgeon, but he plays 2K every day. He doesn't study, he doesn't go to class. And unfortunately, I think one of the frustrations of men is, and women don't like this, but sexual market value. When women's sexual market value is high, it's usually when they're younger, not as thoughtful, not as, they don't have as much foresight.   That's when the women become reasonable. That's when women start to think of, okay, I need a man who's gonna be a good long-term partner. But at that point, those men who are going to be good long-term partners were passed up by you and your youth. And now some women are spinning the block and trying to get the same price that he was offering back in the day. Okay, more, okay, more. Well, see, most women aren't saying that. Most women aren't saying that. You know what, Craig, I'm sorry. And you know what, I will be the best woman you ever had in your life. They're not saying that. They're saying, oh no, Craig, you wanted to pay $5,000 for this hooptie before. I still want $5,000 today and it's got more mileage on it. And it's got more damage on it. It's got more dings and dents and it's got more baggage that you have to sift through and you have to deal with. So most men are saying, since I've built myself up to be more attractive and more, a more viable option for a larger number of people, I shouldn't have to, I shouldn't have to step down and pay more and deal with more just because you think that you're all I deserve. Let me ask you Negroes a question, okay? This is the peanut head and swole dome down here. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Swole dome. This is to y'all. Talk to me. Do you too consider yourselves good men? Nathan. No! Oh, damn, I mean, there's no doubt about that. No questions at all. Ellen? Uh-oh, uh-oh.  Please, it has to get the cookie. He's an educated cookie. I'm getting there. I'm almost a good man. Oh! I'm almost, I'm almost a good man. Oh. See, I'm glad that you said that. Because from a woman's eye perspective, we will look at Ellen and be like, look how regal and intelligent and handsome this man is. But he's actually a dog. I wanna be what a good man. So I'll call Ellen Obey. But in real life. Ellen's the over-assassin. Ellen, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen! Uterus is. No. Therefore. I am a father, okay? See how weird it is though? Oh, I'm telling this man, man. Yeah, no, we're still alive. We're still alive. So, uh, Freak Nick, uh, Freak Nick. Take care, Laura. We like the Freak Nick more. All right, bye-bye, thank you. Don't be a stranger in these streets. You got to come back. I'm back to be in the streets when it goes. Hope y'all enjoy this. Take care, Laura. Okay, all right. We will say, look at Ellen. He's good, but he's already seven minutes. I ain't there yet. I'm a working project. It's not always. People think of these ideas like a pookin' ray-ray. It's just a thug-looking dude that grilled out. And say people, that's what I'm saying. People think that's what a pookin' ray-ray is. It's how they look. They don't understand that pookin' ray-rays, and I hate saying that because it's just so dismissive to me. But that idea of that man can come in a suit. That man can make six figures. There's a lot of men that we look and deem as good men that are actually assholes. There are men that have good women with them. However, they're not ready for her. So therefore, dismiss her or use her up until she's ready or until he finds the next one. This happens. All these good men are portrayed on what they look like. Right. A lot of these guys that are not thug-looking, oh, he wears pocket protectors. He must be a good man.  Yeah, that's right.  We all had. We've all been that type of person that has it done right by someone. I know you have, Nathan. You're the one that said you're a good man. All right, listen, this is what I will say, right? What? What I'll say is, let me put me on the screen. I will say in my younger years, not understanding women, I have not appreciated the value of a woman not understanding, right? Never intentionally. I can honestly never intentionally have I ever done that. But I will say to your, no, I'm dead serious. I'm dead serious. I wasn't raised that way. I just wasn't. I'm gonna get you over it. I mean, I'll say I've made mistakes. Not saying I've made a lot of mistakes, you know, just throughout relationships. But purposely, no. And I would say that, I could say that with confidence. But I think that's just part of growing and learning, even as a man. But what you said earlier, that I think is so powerful though, is the power of image. And I think there's a misconception about men who are handsome, women who are beautiful, that sometimes you see a person who's attractive and you think that's supposed to correlate to them being a good character. And I think that's something that we always get confused. Men fall for it all the time, right? That's one example. Do you have any examples? I don't know. I don't know. I've seen it, man. Listen, listen, listen. We have a lot of, we have a lot of, there are garbage out here in the sky. It's true. Listen here, okay. I mean, is it not true? There are men out here, there are quality, high quality men out here. And just because they have money, just because they're successful, doesn't mean they're good men. That they're a good person, that they have a good heart. I think we try to, we always look at an attractive person and think that there's supposed to be of some sort of purity about them. And that's false. That's false. I think Courtney brings up a perfectly good point. And that's how men get tricked all the time. That's how women get tricked all the time. You know, a guy who's charismatic, he's handsome, he's tall, he's dark, he's handsome, he got the look. You know what I mean? He got the flip top. He got the flip top, you know, with the beard. You know, and he fall. You fall for that. And then, and so instead of you're looking at your wants, men look at women and they say, oh, I want this. But then you look inside them and you say, I don't need any of that stuff they got on inside there. It's not good for me. It's not good quality. The things that's inside of her doesn't make her a good woman. Doesn't make her a good wife. Doesn't make her a good mother, right? And so, but yeah, the container is beautiful. But inside the container lacks substance. And we're not judging each other with substance. We're judging each other by the container. And I would say that is, that's the problem. You know, that's the problem at the end of the day. That's the first, first time I've ever seen you all night. You can agree. The first time I've ever seen you all night. Listen, let me read these super chats and then we will wrap this thing on up. You have to do three neat part two. Well, I'm telling you, we didn't even touch on three. It was, it was, it was flowing though. It was sweet. So you know what I'm saying? I wanted to keep the spirit moving. Mr. Brown. Don't tell y'all what I didn't appreciate. Mr. Brown, you two young. Mr. Brown, he says the term good is vague, desirable, positive and select make more sense. Absolutely. I am T-Tuan too. He says history is a great indicator of habit, facts. Marcus Evans, appreciate the $10 super chat. He says this was a great discussion. This was great to see. Lauren, stay around. Courtney, if you rock with the guys on the panel, you rock with Ali. He's a very solid brother. Good night, everyone. Appreciate you, Ross. You're my mark. All right. So broccoli, broccoli says Nathan, Courtney, Alan, you guys are greatly appreciated. Appreciate you, brother. Mr. T says too many of our ladies want to be Sierra and not Savannah James, your past, your past matters. Your past matters, it did not matter, no, I did it. And she picked future. Yes, she did. However, her husband is what people are praying for. Facts, that's true. Men knew who Russell was before women did. Women weren't checking for Russell. If he wasn't a famous quarterback, they wouldn't care. LM Tuan, LM Tuan says she has made adjustments only because she had to form a healthy standpoint. She didn't really change. We don't always get a chance at redemption. That's true. Marcus says, I like your jacket, Courtney. Courtney looking good. Oh, yeah, I never thought that. Caesar's Palace, he says, why should men have to get over your past? Will you get over me being broke? Your past will hurt me today in our relationship. That's true. Thirsts, M-E-T-V. All too often, these conversations start from a place where women, or where the woman is already a wife, a man can't find in her what she's not. She gets what she qualifies for. That's real. Caesar's Palace says Nathan has not told a lie yet. Preach. LM, he says solid point. Marcus Evans, he says, pass the collection plate to Nate, facts man. Mr. T, he says a lot of women will allow themselves to get fooled by words and not reacting to action sweet nothings. Yeah, I've been guilty of that in the past. Thirsts, M-E-T-V, he says, this insinuates that these women qualify for the men they want. The reality is they don't have the men they want, want for, or what the men they want want from them. Okay. Villain Trucker, he says, but is it that, or is it that, is it the loyalty part that we desire that has them in the space longer than necessary? In that space longer than necessary? It was probably something we mentioned before. Shout out to Lucky. He says, truth, Lucky. Shout out to Lucky. Shout out to Lucky. Afro-disciple, 88, he says, this is not intellectually dishon, or this is intellectually dishonest because the men who lead these conversations don't represent all men. They are great at articulating the problem. Okay. Matthew Washington, he says, Asian Doll just said the fun guy is for now, and the good guy is for when she wants to settle down, meaning women aren't naive. The good guy is for later. Yeah, women aren't done. Women aren't children. Todd the God, shout out to you, man. Welcome to the family. Ceaseless Palos says, 40K a year will you take this good man? Courtney Michelle, question to you. Yeah. That's a lie. You can tell, look how her eye blink when she said it. She said, yeah, 40, 40,000? Yeah, we can. Yeah. Oh, oh. 40, 40,000. No, no, no. Let me tell you. Allen, I told you this. And peanut head, I think I told you this so close to. Okay, because it's not necessarily, it's about your debt to income ratio. There's a lot of people that can't tell the difference depending on your date, your debt, or 50K a year, man to a 90K a year, man. Some women don't necessarily know the difference. So it just depends on that. If you have freed up money, 40K can take care of a lot if you don't have debt. That's very true. So no, I don't care about 40K, 50K, or you know, but however, if you do make 40K, then you need to listen to your woman because you're in essence going to need me as well as far as the family. I'm going to have to work. So if you make 40K, okay, then that means I can't be a stay-at-home mom. I can't be a stay-at-home wife. So therefore, I got to get in the game with you. If I'm in the game with you, is you going to listen to me? Yeah, but who gets the final word though? I mean, you get the final word. Okay, all right. But I mean, I want you to listen to me. I'll take your words on the advisement. And it usually, my advisement is really good. Is it not? I'll be like, first of all, make sure the money in the pot. I'll handle everything else. Real quick, since we still have 335 people in the room, please click the link pin to the top of the chat. Those are tickets for our event in Atlanta on June 24th. Matter of fact, let me share my screen. Look, it's the cross-sectal. Yeah, we all in the building that day. So, y'all pull up, we're going to, like we've said before, we're taking these conversations offline in real life. And we are going to prioritize solutions. We're going to prioritize community building.  So if you're interested in that, click the link in the chat. It is limited to 100 people. The event venue will be disclosed after you purchase your ticket as we get closer to the event. But it says there's 89 seats left, general admission, and only one for the 10% or so. Jump in there, get your ticket, and we will see you June 24th. All right, so, back to the super chats. I think I left off here. Afro-disciple, you said shout out to Tia San-Johnson, for sure. Caesar's Palace says the five-foot-five guy you don't see. Courtney Michelle, how would you respond to that? Can you date a man who's shortening you? You know, I, yeah. Yeah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. Okay, look, I mean. Another round for you? I am about almost five-eighth. Now I'm five-seven-five-eighth, so I do have to look down with heels. I'm almost six. Now, do I prefer someone my height or taller? Yes, I do. Majority women do. But however, you know, a good man is a good man. I can sit past that.  Let it go. Oh, I got five. I'm old. They didn't look. My knees be cracking. Caesar's Palace says, Melissa, how many different, maybe you say Michelle, I don't know. How many different men do you need to go through before you see he's not going to change? Women are going through 50-plus guys and still pick bad guys. Melissa. Melissa, Lauren Melissa. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. All right, Paul Arthur, he says, my membership chat wasn't read, but it's cool. I enjoyed the conversation. I got to get to bed. Good night, everyone. Appreciate you, brother. I'm sorry, I was trying to stay with the conversation. You know, I kind of stick to the dialogue. Caesar's Palace, he says, the problem is not that women pick bad boys. The problem is that they blame the same men for their poor choices. You knew he didn't want a baby. Shout out to from Harvey with love, new member. Yes, sir, yes, sir, shout out to the boy. Mr. Brown, he says, I respect that, Courtney. The difference is that you come to this space in good faith. Oh yeah, we already read this. All right, I'm gonna give each of y'all, huh? There's a couple more, I think, I think. Just came in, let me see. Oh yeah, I see one. Mr. Brown, he says, Nate, you're growing on me, brother. At first I was thinking you wasn't on code when it comes to white supremacy. I appreciate you for sticking in here. Actually, like I've been saying about Nate, like it's, if it makes sense, it makes sense. And I appreciate the brother for being able to acknowledge things that make sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't want to read things about him. All right, I'm gonna give each of y'all, like, you know, some closing words, closing thoughts. I'm gonna start with you, Nate. Shout out to Mr. Brown. I'm on code, brother, I'm on code, man. People just don't like my approach, that's all it is. I just come with a tough love, and we gotta do what we gotta do, attitude. And you know, some people don't like that. But my closing statement is one, I'm gonna shout out you, Alan. Thank you just for being a good friend, awesome friend. A man of integrity, I really appreciate you and everything that you stand for and what you're working towards. You know, I support 100%. And so I really appreciate that. Shout out to you, Courtney, as well. We are officially the trifecta, you know? And I love the fact that you guys, we come together, you know, we don't always agree. There's a lot of things we don't agree on, right? We bump heads all the time on stuff, but at the end of it, we laugh, we joke about it. Regardless, we know we come into space with good hearts, our intentions are good. We wanna see black people do better. We come from different arguments of the problems, right? We're coming from different problems as far as what we wanna solve. But nonetheless, we want to see the black community thrive. We wanna see black people elevated in the space that we know that we are capable of being and then also that we have the potential of being. And so I'm just very grateful that there's a lot of us in this space that want the same thing. And I think sometimes it's easily get distracted by those who are here for money, who are here for fame, who are here for attention. Sometimes they get in the way of those who really wanna do the work and who really have a genuine heart. We're not perfect, I'm not perfect, but I would love, and I said this earlier, that I want us to lead by example, you know? And let's start showing people what real activism looks like and not being just from the lens of YouTube but letting it translate outside of YouTube so that when people question whether or not what we say is valid or what we're doing is valid, we would have the work receipts to show that this is not just a conversation we have online, but also things that we implement in the real world because that's what really matters. It's easy to come on here and have the conversations. It's harder to actively get up and do something about it and then have measurable growth and see the measures of how we've impacted the things that we talk about. I think that should be one of the solutions that I think that we could start working on and being active in this area. So shout out to you guys, great conversation tonight. Shout out to the panel as well. Everybody had some very great, great conversation, great thoughts and shared a lot. Shout out to Lauren, haven't seen her in this space in forever. Get to see her back, shout out to Lucky and then the brother, what is it, Ali or? Illa. Illa, that's right. Illa, Illa South. Shout out to him. He was dropping some gems as well. And of course you Courtney, thank you as well for all your vigorous passion. He nut head man. Illa. All right Courtney, you gotta top that. You gotta top that. Oh, okay. Well, I can't top that because he's said everything that I wanted to say but I appreciate the conversation. Alan you need to do more panels. I think this was awesome. And I think this is building a solution. If anyone thought today was going to be here's a solution and we are going to go out and give it to everybody, it's not. The solution starts here where it is women and men that are speaking honestly, that are not pandering, that are not trying to get a super chat out of you by parenting or hearing what you want us to say. It is not that it's real conversations with real women that have experience and stuff but are speaking honestly. And the honesty part is that we're not going to think like you. And at the end of the day, we never are. And why would you want us to just think like you? I don't want a man to just think like me. I want him to help me grow and my job is to help you as well. So I appreciate the conversation. You gotta do a part too because I want to talk about the freak Nick.  Yeah, the spirit was moving. It's four hours already. So, you know, we're going to have to do a part too. You just have to do a part too. But I make I'm happy about today.  You need to act a model.  You Alan, I think that's really good. Moderate really well. I do this. I do this. Appreciate you appreciate you. Have I told you guys how proud I am of y'all? I am. We listen to you. You listening? We listen to you know what? Because we don't always agree. But you know, I absolutely respect you too. And I respect you because you guys stand on your word and you do have integrity. And I think that you two are prime examples of what leaders are and what a lot of men should be. I think they could mimic a lot of what you guys do. And I have always appreciated you. And I sang your praises all the time. And I'm just doing it again. Thank you for being Nathan Dailey. Thank you for being Alan Obey. And thank you for allowing me to be me.  Yeah, but you still love me. And I love you guys. So thank you so much. Y'all y'all just you make my heart pitter-patter. Not pitter-patter. But I love you guys. I appreciate both of you guys. Thank you guys so much.  This was good. I was, you know, last time I did a panel was in. 2014, back when I was still doing these in schools. Yeah, and it was in person. So like virtual panels is new to me. But no, this this this was good. I appreciate you guys. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you guys. We're definitely going to do a part two. I'll get with y'all to figure out, you know, when to make that happen. But more of these productive conversations need to happen. And there is not one solution. It's a process, right? Like we take us a while to get here. It's going to take us a while to get out. And we have to commit ourselves to to that process. So thank you guys both. I love both of you guys. And I'm going to let y'all go. I'm going to close this thing out. I'm going to close this thing on. I want to steal pitter and pattern. Love y'all too. Listen, this is what we need. All this love. That's what it's about. I love y'all. That's good. It's a good start. All right, bro. I can't feel another side. All right, we'll talk soon.  Just say, well, I love you, bro. I already blocked you, Mark. I already blocked you. You already blocked me. Haters. All right, bro. All right, brother. All right, family. We have reached the end of, I think, a productive panel. Part of leadership is setting an example. I think we did that today. I want to shout out Mr. Nathan Dailey. I want to shout out Ms. Courtney Michelle. I want to shout out Ms. Lucky Marie. I want to shout out Ms. Elisophical. I want to shout out Ms. Lauren. This is my first time being acquainted with Lauren. Apparently, she was in this space well before I was. But shout out to everybody. Thank you guys for being a part of this. Thank you guys for being in the chats and the comments. Shout out to all the Super Chatters. Shout out to all the new channel members. We're going to keep this thing moving. Again, my goal is to redefine what this space is and what this space is tasked to do. And we are going to, at the very least, represent black unity. We're going to represent productive dialogue. Everybody is going to leave. Maybe not always with a smile on their face, but they're going to leave feeling good about what they just participated in. So again, thank you guys. Thank you guys for the support. Thank you guys for the encouragement. I made grift of money today, so that's what's up. It helps keep these streams, the interviews, the work. It keeps it going and keeps it alive. So shout out to y'all. Again, my biggest message is we have to put our money, our energy, and our attention behind what we want to see more of. Whether that's me, whether that's Tia San Johnson, whether that's Courtney Michele, Nathan Daly, other productive creators in the YouTube space, the Manisphere space, or the Black Manisphere space more specifically, we have to be more solutions oriented. And that means we can't be caught up in catharsis or entertainment. So thank you guys. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. I will see you guys soon. I still need to edit this week's videos. But with the Super Chat money, I don't have to rely as much on the ad revenue from videos this week. So shout out to y'all. Thank you. Y'all have a good night. And have a good productive week. I'll see you guys soon. Peace.