Hello everyone We'll give you a second to come online and Watch us. You're hanging out with Dave and Jeff. Yeah, what's up? If you have any questions or ideas or funny things to say just type them out and then Jeff might read them But we've got a lot to do today If anyone from this know I have a microphone on and Jeff has a microphone on yeah, how does the sound level sound? Yeah, let us know if you're here, okay? And we're gonna get started Hope everyone's doing well on this Wednesday My kids are back in school Smaller class sizes, but they're so happy to be back, and I'm so happy to have them back Jeff what's happening with your children? They're going they start tomorrow. Oh, they start tomorrow. Well one's tomorrow one's next day, so JK SK and Just a staggered start and we'll see how it goes with the whole mask thing, but yeah Okay, so that Jeff sound is great Dave not as loud So let's try that if not then it might be the phone is only picking up and then I'll try and I'll try something else But yeah, keep us posted everyone. Good morning. Jewel. Good morning. JSN Season of the witch welcome back. Hey, Muriel What's up with that name? Hey, oh, yeah, we've talked about that a lot before Yeah, what is up with the name season of the witch? Afternoon Yes, I'm hearing everyone. Okay. Let's start walking around and looking at some things we'll do today Where we've been spending a lot of time experimenting with flowers in resin. We've had our best look at this one This one's the best one yet. Look at that. It's so great Now Season the witches are company. Oh, it's a company. What kind of company a season of the witch? Hey, Rebecca. Hey, Rebecca But one thing that we learned is lots of people that are doing this like professionally Like if you're gonna make this the thing you do like you are the flower in resin person at the fair then usually what you do is you use a compression Tank or compression chamber It's a terrifying looking device. It scares it scares the crap out of me But we'll go over we'll set up a flower that we have dried Why are you smirking Jeff? Sorry Maria's got our lunch and wine in hand. Oh good We should do that too and we're season of the witch does resin castings. No way neat Well, we're doing a lot more resin castings so we can learn together or you can teach us Anyways, Cody. What's up? Hi everyone? Let's just keep keep going. Someone said they think that I have ADHD in the comments. Really? Yeah So look at these are some lamps we were working on Very nice tinted it nice and pink. It's got some pearl stuff in there. Oh, yeah, these aren't perfect though We're gonna make them perfect. I'm not perfect. Look at this one's pretty darn close to perfect I just patched in a bunch of holes. I got a sand this part off Let's see the side there. Oh, yeah, there is a layer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean when I pre-sealed It's pretty close, but it's not perfect. So the idea is we have these LED lamps I'm actually gonna be working with this one and You shine the light through it and it just illuminates and does a little lamp now makes a nice lamp. So There's a lamp So that's a real art so far, but there's some issues with bubbles I mean you want to pre-seal your wood pre-seal your wood like soak it with resin Before you do a thick cast with wood Make sense Absolutely, unless you're going for an underwater ball scene. Yeah, so let's just walk around. So we're gonna be doing this guitar You can have lights inside the inside the mold, I guess, right? Yeah, definitely We have some examples here somewhere. I'll pull them out of lights inside casting resin so we're putting this this is one of those a barbecue spinner things and I'm gonna be putting this guitar on it and I gotta put some weight here somehow figure out how to attach this. We'll be doing that soon. That's awesome That's something Hi, everyone if you're new to joining us and every Wednesday at one o'clock our time. We're in our west of Toronto We do this we walk we We we start off the videos by showing around what we might be working on today And then we do some stuff and then every Wednesday at one o'clock Happy birthday to Samia. Happy birthday Samia This video is dedicated to you So this is the pyramid remember there you go everybody. You've been asking for it. Here it is. I gotta sand it and Like if the mold has been used so many times that like the mold start to peel off onto the resin But there's flowers in there and salt and rocks and glitter and buttons and Palm palms and that's salt.  I believe yeah asking Yes an update on two things. Yes resin casting and The calculator for rounds. Oh, yes, I keep nagging the developers to do that calculator Because I know we're developing a bunch of things and that's on the list for sure, right? Yeah, we're doing a calculator for casting and then that the rounds one will get done, too But it's like designs are mocked up. There's so many things to do Problem, but no, thank you. We'll do that in the casting resin It's just making sure we can secure all the raw materials is we're making sure before we launch But it's great. I mean we're using the casting resin. We'll be using it today probably. Yeah, well, it's still in though It's a whole another art form Okay, let's keep walking around and then we'll start doing and then we'll start Dry flowers We got some flowers here we'll play with oh beautiful and then I asked Tracy to buy the prettiest pairs she could find Because we're gonna be duplicating fruit And there's a couple stages because we've done some experimenting with this There's a couple different stages to get a good mold then you can create resin casts of Real fruit or organic material So hello Laura from Pickering. Oh hi. I'm from Ajax boom, but then I moved to Mississauga for my wife and then we moved out to Burlington and now we move further to Dundas Yeah, nice. Oh, this is I think I talked to her. Yeah, you went to Pickering I too I'm just taking these stickers off of these pairs Because what we're gonna be doing is we're gonna be resonating these pairs and that's gonna Create a seal around them. So when we put our silicone around it to make the mold There's no off-gassing coming off of this organic material and putting little gas holes into the silicone mold so we're Why don't we just set up? I'll just do two of them So when you're making a duplicate of something you always have to think about how am I going to get the resin into the mold Once I want to make the duplicate. So here's one way the pair is the final thing It's gonna be sitting like that. So I'm gonna make an opening or Kind of like a channel that will pour the resin into And this will all make sense eventually So I'm gonna use this plasticine not only as the channel for where I'll pour the resin into our silicone mold but also as a stand For when I'm pre-resonating Doing a resin coat so that I can cast this Nice. Yeah, exciting. Yeah, but it's so neat when you pull out a Duplicate object So that makes sense so far, I'm gonna do two of them And then So I'm just using dollar store plasticine Yeah, a season which was just saying they use a string and frame it I guess Using string I guess is another option to probably suspend it. Yeah. Yeah string and frame there you go I used a funnel to pour into my strawberry mold. Oh sweet a funnel. Yeah, that's good. Yeah Good and we can make this if we would have pre-resin that strawberry The mold would be even better. Oh, yeah Strawberries are amazing So we're gonna be coating these today. That's one thing that we're gonna do Both of them. Yeah, let's go both of them. Let me kind of experiment in different ways Frame and string See this is the piece that we made out of salt So this is you know Himalayan salt or something but the salt keeps its color when you saturate it with resin Which is uh Good to know I guess, hey Okay The other thing I wanted to do today is so we're trying to figure out how we had playground sand And people are making all these ocean pieces of art The resin oceans but but they were suggested to try to make a desert So we use playground sand and that just got dark dark dark. It looked like wet sand So then we picked this up, which is colored decorative sand and I really like how it kept its color See? Yeah, that's really actually yeah, it's total. Yeah, so today we'll sand look today.  Yeah Nice message about memories and then I was gonna actually add a tiny bit of this pink Salt just to give it a bit more color kind of like a pinky sand then just kind of like that Yeah, it looks like a pinky sand and then you got a beautiful piece of art that was made with sand Where you don't want to be placed in you always have memories Otherwise, you just throw it in the drawer, you know Or you throw it out eventually But I guess you can't do that because I had to buy this thing, right? Okay Someone was asking are we available in India? um I don't know are we in some stores are we in some I guess retailers, but We were thinking India because India speaks English mostly With English labels, so we really want to get in India Can you like is there a retailer we should contact that you would go to because that's the best way for us to get in Mm-hmm and the casting resident. I'm sure yeah would would follow if we uh once we're there We would it would definitely have the casting come out as well So the hammer is actually better for this, but she's got a bleeder So you got it. It's okay. You got it Wow It's wrong or this way. I kind of like that. I think uh, no, uh I don't know. This is kind of nice. That's nice too. Yeah And Well, they say when you're reading you always your eye goes here first and it does go this pattern, right? So I like it. Oh, here's another thing to do For some reason every time my kids left their marker cap off for years. I've been saving their markers What do we do with all these? Donna says this should say the sands of time This one is mark my words I couldn't have sorting these by sorting these by color Maybe Rebecca.  Daisy saying where is st. Rebecca when we need her? Yeah, Rebecca. Please come I don't know if she's on. I mean we had we have another Rebecca that's on here. I don't know if Oh melt the lids and poor resin interesting. I just started dying I'm melting the plastic. I don't know. Yeah, it's probably not very good. I don't know In fact, I need you to come help me. I can't sort all these lids Is she coming? Uh, I don't think she's on here What? I don't know. Is she still in a meeting? My wife? Yeah Jessica Tracy if you're on there Can you come sort these lids by color Or anyone that's nearby if you film over if you do something here, I could hold it while I I could show the whatever you do What do you mean? Rebecca would help though. Rebecca Colgan that's on here. Summer would be oh summer is helpful. Yeah Summer would just eat them all Look how cool this is are you looking Would anyone be annoyed if I just kept doing this for a while? Unless we got something to talk about Laura can be here in an hour and a half Okay All right, everybody we're gonna be live for an hour and a half plus the extra time to do it Hey gypsy beak is Rebecca as well. Everybody wants to help but nobody's here. Nobody's here now The only thing more fun than organizing this by color Is you know when you have like two or three pickled jars in the fridge And you consolidate them all in the one jar That is the best. Sorry that that's that's your go-to fun Thing I like to rush Like this Okay, you're lots of brown. They don't know what I'll do with them. Yeah, the kids would be great at this Yeah In with the pinks purples Just don't know if this is uh must see tv here I don't know what this is who out there you guys out there know about this asmr. I just heard about this recently and it's all about What is it like just the quiet speaking thing? Oh, sorry, yeah, okay, sorry like people want to see see days volume is still low I don't understand what's going on with this Very frustrating. I apologize to everybody. We're doing our best Yes asmr equals creepy. See Yeah, I think it's kind of creepy too.  Yeah, I'll just give a shout out to my mom as well and my kids who are probably Getting ready for their first day of school and stuff This is good tv This is it. This is this is why you're all here. Oh the numbers are dropping We now have one person hanging on and it's probably your mom. There's only one person watching. No, I'm just kidding. There's a few How many people are watching more? I guess part of the part it's just like watching. This is what I tell everybody It's like watching baseball people that aren't baseball fans They like hockey or basketball in general people who like Football and baseball usually are clamped together and people who like baseball. I think so because Because there's so much waiting Um, and that's why I love football and baseball is because the anticipation of the big play And that's what we're doing here is we're building anticipation for a big. Hey, Janine Hey, Lina. Hey, Lina. Oh, I'm moving. I'm moving the camera too much. Okay. Good call. Lina. I apologize I will just move ever so slightly and gently to get at things Yeah, people are just loving this. Oh, put the glendaline Wants me to keep it up here. No, because you are obviously quite the attractive young man Glendaline So that's what I've been instructed to do so So you can see the focus and dedication I see it. Look at that Absolute focus I love sorting things by color. I our bookshelves at home. I sort them by color And it's good you because you remember you're like, oh, yeah that book it was blue And so you go to the blue section. Otherwise, what are you gonna do?  But then, you know, hard it is to keep on top of keeping alphabetical And here's here's an update here. Here's how we're looking This is fun. What are we doing? Hey, Eva. Uh, so what are we doing? She said did Dave get a haircut? Yeah, Dave did Michael's asking I went too short. I was thinking of growing a really really long next time Yeah, you had a yeah, I remember we have some old videos where you did have a quite long Remember you did that one where you jumped into the ocean or jumped into the lake? Oh, yes. Damn, my hair was long. Hair was long there. I think it was Speaking of oceans, how is everyone out there? I mean, I stopped looking at the news ever since I got a puppy So I don't know. Is the coronavirus still a thing? Is Trump still around? He is for now. Yeah, he is definitely around That no politic talk here. Well, the interesting thing is art resin is Half in Texas and half in Canada So it's just a clash of cultures but we make it work. Yep Fiona says they're doing okay Oh Good And Maria Who is the best is all good because wine's making it better Good Is it the early morning Maria? Oh, sorry, Eva. So what we're doing right now is Dave grabbed some Extra marker lids that his kids have just kind of popped off when the markers ran out or they were just having them around the floor And he kept them He's had them for a long time and now we're sorting them To make something. We don't know but he's got look at he's got all the rainbow colors organized here We're just kind of putting things around so We don't know we're gonna probably put it together And resin it That resin it and then maybe sand the heck out of it. Mm-hmm paint something on it and then call it a day Take the rest of the day off We are we are just an hour outside of Toronto in uh water down Yeah, water down. Oh, Kathy bought some of the resin and it's an awesome product. That's good to hear Let us know if you have any questions or if you want to share anything Uh, what's the best way to get resin off your hands? We actually recommend This product over here Uh, just put it on dry. Just kind of pump it onto your hands I'll just show it to you go Joe. It's called natural orange hand cleaner And uh, it just it has like a grain to it So it helps uh, take the uh any resin off of your hands and for that matter You could kind of make your own with what like sesame seeds or something Like yeah, there's always like hippie solutions. Yeah And you can rub salt on it. That's a good hippie solution. There you go But that that stuff it's actually for it's used in mechanic shops for getting all the grease off of your hand So again, like Jeff said, you do it dry and you can find and then wipe it off with a towel And you can find in the automotive section, but that stuff is by far the best Okay, I've come into a log jam in my brain Blues right next Doesn't it go Doesn't it go this way like green is after yellow and then blue and then purple. I just started with yellow So we're kind of oh, so we're gonna back end it. Yeah, okay Also purple and then blue And then yeah, yeah Here Look at that's even uh, that's good Oh, thanks for asking Mary Beth Dave. Are we okay? Are we okay? Yeah Yeah I think so. Are we okay? Yeah, we're good. Yeah, it's a teetering on chaos and order Which is a neat place to be I guess But the kids are back in school. It's just fantastic Totally fantastic and hopefully it stays like that. Yes Yeah And here's what we're forming here everybody Yeah, it's nice. This is so nice. This adds a little bit of color to our day Yeah And again, I've been saving these ever since I had kids which is now six years ago almost seven years six and a half years ago So these are all the markers that those freaking kids I say put your markers back on your your I even put a sign up That says don't forget to put your lids on But they can't read so that didn't help That's kind of much more purple But I seriously did put a sign up It should have made a diagram That's the problem.  It is difficult. Definitely. So yeah hang in there support your friends wherever you can And the only other thing we know is a lot of people is create Do something with your you know with the time or make use of the time well with kids or family Yeah, it feels like a time to hustle. Even if you don't yeah come up with something new or create a new Opportunity, I don't think I've ever well, you always work hard, but this This type of stuff makes you work hard. Yeah, yeah, because everything could be gone You know Looking good, man, I know So what do we what do we think browns whites and blacks? Yeah, your name grace Hmm or leave it colorful. Indeed. Yep, Miriam. Uh, leave it colorful right? Well, it's full, right? It's pretty full. Oh, you can have the uh like a splatter of me I don't know The project kits. Yeah, um, so we have yeah because we have the Trinket dish kit and we have the petri kits There over there. Do we have them here? Well, this is yeah, I could show you the kind of the final results Here you go. Oh, yeah, so here's a kind of a tray here These are kind of the results you can get With the trinket dish, so it's like you get a mold like this In your in your kits and it makes these awesome cool little things here. Dave did one with a coin in there We have different colors you can do all sorts of ones. There you go different patterns. Oh, yeah, this is really cool this I was obsessed with And we did it where so if you pour it But into the mold into the mold here But then you kind of put it on its side to let it cure and you do another layer and put on side to let it cure And you can do kind of different patterns like that So that's kind of fun Same thing with this when we did on its side But yeah, we have all the best of the best that we did were uh are upstairs Well, yours are cool one too. So this is what comes with it as well is the alcohol ink And so it makes these amazing Different patterns inside there So that's the trinket dish And then the other one we have the same thing you get alcohol ink And uh a mold and you can make coasters like this Size these we just did for a video. We did some solid colors. Um, we see are they oh there they are This is stuck in here. Sorry. Apologize for the Just trying to get things one second. Oh, this is a heavy look So you can get dishes like that So this is what you can create with your petri kit and you get all these wicked tendrils that look like you're under water and makes these wicked cool patterns um on the back and the front And uh, yeah, and it comes with this. So you get a mold that has three different circle slots You get the alcohol ink and you get Mixing container and all sort and all that to uh make the petri dishes or the trinket dish So there you go There you go.   It was just to test the sand, but Yeah, but that's again the beauty of it is experiment. Have fun and look we can pop out of it You know, it's so random like didn't you was Hannah that just found or did you find that just in the drawer last week? Yeah, so cool. Okay, so I'm gonna take this home. Okay. We'll grab it This will be my golden lap All right, so we're not gonna resin that today.  We don't have one here. Oh a cricket. Yeah So we're just gonna talk about drying flowers Then we're gonna take a dried flower set it up in a mold really quickly And then put it in the compression chamber if you get a perfect absolutely Perfect for you're wearing socks today. People notice that you're usually barefoot. Yeah, it's colder here today No, that's not why it's because I was in a meeting and it was really long And I was like I got stuff to do so I was picking out my calluses Okay, I'm being barefoot all the time and I by uh kind of like ripped into the raw skin Underneath the callus and so this is padding. Wow. Yeah, there you go. You wanted to know people Uh, Dave did say hi to his mom sandy. So yeah, thank you sandy.  There's so many nice people And dogs playing and you can go for walks. So and I'm suggesting uh A miniature golden doodle So it's like a so a poodle and a golden retriever but a miniature poodle and a golden retriever And that's what I'm suggesting. Wow for temperament and like a good sized dog. Yes, sandy. You can fit it under your arm Um, someone wanted to see the uh, Mona Lisa. Oh, yes. I want to finish that today Guys, let's do one thing at a time. Mona Lisa's raised it right there We're going to touch up the mask. I have a bit of blue and white paint And then scrub it Sand it down do a final coat of resin and be done with it There you go. All right, I'll show it to you. Yeah, go ahead. Um, sorry, I forget Miss the name of was it alexis was asking about the How to not get the drips uh in the bottom of the white drips in the bottom of the petri dishes Uh, I actually recommend Premixing if you can get little containers you can pre-mix the colors and it creates a really nice opaque kind of more of a Pastel color like an Easter kind of color If so, if you pre-mix them and then drop then you'll you won't have any white drops You'll just have the colored drops And again, if you actually wait so it doesn't go down as far Then uh, you won't actually have many drops at the bottom at all. So there it is. There's Mona Lisa And she's got her mask on There she is Dave has got a few things he wants to still touch up and says he wants to kind of finish up A couple of little parts there Yeah, anyways, there she is. There's the resin shine looks so good and uh Yeah, that was paint And uh, yeah Looking pretty good So I just want to kind of match the Dian says Mona looks fab. That's very nice dian. Thank you Oh, what are you gonna do? Oh, you're gonna I need a bit more green It's not a blue blue You need a touch of green And also i'm just gonna Sand it first to get rid of the high parts And there you go Looks pretty good I like it. I like when you pull back look at that just Like a beautiful flat surface, but then you have the mask on I think that looks really good I think that I'm gonna cover it This is definitely a print of the Mona Lisa But it is the actual size of the real Mona Lisa. Yeah, I built it. I'll show you the back just so you can see So this will just scrap what in my garage I don't know it's a piece of something these are just two by twos And I didn't even do nice corners. I just filled it with putty But uh, look at it.  It's Yeah, it's kind of what you're right. It's got more of that Yeah, would you call it or something? I don't know. Yeah, it's like a light teal What would you call that color like uh, the kisha wants to be the retailer in india? Oh, yeah, sure. Let's do it Firing email sales at art risen. Yeah, or you'll be talking with tracy. I don't know. TRAC-EY So actually before I do this I wanted to sand down the Mona Lisa's face With my sandpaper It was right here, wasn't it? Oh, where's Hannah? I'm gonna need a Hannah or your wife Well done That's well done. Oh, when you need a Hannah Oh, like a hand. Oh, I thought you were making a joke. Oh, I didn't even know that was a joke Amazing Where's the sandpaper? I don't know I just used it. I don't want to scan anything What's right here? Perfect Here you go That's close.  I just want to get rid of the highest peaks So I can actually get the resin coating in Got it. Thanks. Oh, here we go. I'm just fixing that curve. Yeah, don't inhale the dust when you're Okay Wet cloth All right Out of the white So it's nice. I didn't want to look like too Much like it was painted. Yeah, so just getting rid of brush strokes. Yeah pushing it in. Nice There's some That's one thing I've always noticed when you ever you usually work with your painting is that you always have a ton of paper towel Or whatever because you like to wipe a lot. I like to subtract. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool It's not a bit of that wipe back in Down here. It's actually the white It would lv daisy. Love daisy lv daisy Be cool to have the marker one in a school classroom or something. Yeah Yeah, good idea. Maybe I'll give it to the school or something Okay, keep this white I lost a bit of the the white became slightly Translucent, so I'm just going to bring back the Yes, it will be available post live. Uh, oh Jen is lv daisy Um, and uh, that was not chalk. It is marker caps marker lids and Yeah, that's right. Maria probably didn't need to Who's gonna smile and you gotta sit there for so long to get your picture A portrait done Okay Ken This is a white here. Oh, yeah It doesn't look natural And the good thing about resin is it's it's forgiving. I can uh fix all this just by pouring more Okay, what do you think? All right, a couple more dots of white in there Just only here Just a couple make it look Something more artsy It looks good. Yeah, I guess you look at it.  Yeah, like part of the painting. Well done. That's kind of What do you guys think? It's what's the verdict? Cool little quick idea that Dave had and then boom there we go You know resin it though or no? I'm not today, but eventually I'll get I'll see I'm the whole thing do one final resin coat.  So what should we do now? I think you can set up a flower for a resining in the compression tank And we want to resin these pairs and this thing. So why don't we just do that? I'm not gonna do Well, we'll quickly do silica sand So silica sand All right, you let it sit for like a week. Yep with the flowers in there. So A good method is you kind of sprinkle in between all the petals And set it in the silica sand and then cover So these ones are already dried and they're ready to be resin and it will hold that color So it does lose a bit of a saturation, but it depends on the Biochemistry of the flower How how colorful it will stay? So then you just want to completely emerge your flowers in silica sand and leave it for a week Okay, okay, so let's get a mold I'm just gonna do a really small square Do we need to get asked if there's a potential resin mixer? To make up some resin for us Is there anybody watching upstairs that could come down and help us mix up some resin? I promise not to put you on camera So what is that inch and a half by inch and a half silicone? Yeah, this will be just easy to do and we're trying to get perfect results now there's A couple of different methods and i'm going to try a different method which is kind of scary Is if you hand your flower upside down It's hard to not get air bubbles that side If you have it right side up That's a better chance, but that means you have to ruin your mold you put a hole in the mold Let this do then tape off the bottom I don't like to make this right But I just want to get the perfect result and show people how to get a perfect result Okay, here's a pin in a mold which just makes me so sad Oh boo It's okay. Now let's see if we can get this through there, which is the tricky part I've done it before No, I'm not gonna be able to Give a screw What's the best Jen's road tripping punch and I need you Jen I need you Okay, how do I make a bigger hole in this? Yeah, we're trying to see if there's a safety pin or something a little thicker. Oh, what's in the back there? No, those are feathers Jeff's opening the feather in Hot glue Yeah, I was thinking that hot glue it down But we got a hole now Bigger hole Very carefully this stuff's so picky and difficult Do you see it? Did you go through? No, I spent it so close to giving up No, no don't give up never Here we go. Success. I got it. Nice Jen I was so close to giving up Jeff you told me to give up But I said no Jeff. I will not give up. Don't give up You still have So I like doing friends one instead of pouring halfway and embedding the object.   Yeah Uh, do you want to yell upstairs for some redden mixtures? Yeah Because I don't want to yell because I'll probably scream into this phone I'm just cutting it off. I'm gonna just tape it and tape the bottom Oh, okay So that's our Dried flowers right scepter So we've done a lot of these to find the best way to do it This is the best way. That's good But I'm gonna put it in the compression chamber because that is the best way Yeah, I'm excited for that actually because we have not done that yet. Have we with the flower? I'm not with the flower. No, no But if again, if you're gonna be doing flowers as a business Or embedding objects as a business you might want to invest in the compression Someone was asking where you get them and I believe you did you get yours on Amazon Dave? Where did you find one? I found mine on ebay and I never go on ebay, but someone The chemist for our resident suggested the one he he goes on ebay. I guess in Texas They would use ebay the ebay. I don't none at all actually it's either amazon or kijiji for the used stuff Okay, so I'm gonna line up everything we're resonating on one side of the table So we're nice and other nice Okay, uh, okay, I'll try calling Can we get a resin fixer? Still obsessed with this. This is just cool I just want to do like a so we're just doing three things pair Flower and flower. We're gonna pick us pair flower and marker caps pair Flower Marker caps, right? And we pay you one Lisa. We're gonna make some other day We also this angle in here, let me get the compression Compression is the chamber It's working So I'm plugged in Here's my hunk switch Hello, hey Rebecca.  Oh, yeah, no camera. Okay. No camera day I promise whoever comes down doesn't have to be on camera All right, Rebecca, can you mix up? Wow, we got we got hey st. Rebecca. We've got hi Rebecca. We've got hello, Rebecca Yeah, people are waving queen becks queen becks Uh, uh, uh, can you do two cups and two cups and then I can be a final mix Jen resin two cups hardener And I'm gonna mix up a bit of our resin Sweet All right, since we are here, me, Jeff and Rebecca, I'm wondering if we could Talk about our marriage Yes That's not awkward. No, that's Well, let me be your sounding board Yeah, what's the most marriage during COVID? What's that been like? Well, we have all these other people All these other people want to come and help out. I gotta watch here because sound probably Won't go to Rebecca. Suck her Jen And I said I wouldn't put anybody on camera. So here you are So I have the resin out right over here. Boom. Load it up ready to go I already have before filled up two cups of resin Two cups of hardener make sure that's enough And I'll do it Mm-hmm All right And maria's coming with the wine Yeah, a good old Maria Rebecca, would you drink wine at this time at the start of COVID? You were much more into wine at this time Yeah, weren't we all that COVID was here to stay for a while? Every day every hour Someone was asking about the spray paint if you missed it last week here is the result of Dave's spray paint Which is Pretty awesome. We're very all of us were pretty obsessed here at the office of the um Someone was saying it's like an ice field. Sorry Dave. What's that? This was mirror spray paint metallic and it didn't turn into a mirror I don't know why they call it mirror spray paint Huh? I don't know I don't how do you live with that? This is a mirror spray paint. It'll look I made a picture of a mirror on the front of This spray paint bottle It sounds like you're saying mayor He also says zero Zero zero What mirror zero So count down to zero from 10 from five five four three two one zero What do you say zero zero Well, I say catch up which supposedly I say it wrong I don't say cats up. I never I never I never say cats up. I say catch up Yes, catch up That's amazing this from the teacher What am I teaching my kids? Oh, what's how do you say, uh, garage garage garage garage garage What do you say garage Not garage not garage garage Grudge Like you're gonna gradually pour this out. This is so hard Two to one mixing ratio so much math and thinking Should I show that bottle? I shouldn't show Uh-oh look out Look out Look out Look out There's the two ounce and the four ounce Two ounce and a four ounce The old two ounce or and four ounce are right there. What do you think of the marker lid project going on beside you? Get your room. Okay. Now. All right. Now that I'm here in between the two of you I brought you here today. Yes. I want to talk to you about about your marriage. Yeah Are there any Can I start?  Poor Jeff.  Zero zero tomato tomato says Season of the witch We've done crayon art actually Cindy and uh the we haven't had the Crayons melt from the resin. It's actually usually when you do the melting of the crayons That's like just to have if you want to have the drip. It's kind of going the um, that's where you kind of get the Melting, but the resin itself will just go over and won't won't cause a heat Any heat to melt it? Yep, here we go. Hold on. What are we doing? Oh, yes. Okay. So once again back it up We right now have put a flower inside the mold. Dave poked a hole in the bottom It's now centered. It looks good. This has been dried for over a week, right Dave? Yeah And with silica gel and now Dave has got uh some product of a casting resin called thick cast And he's now pouring it into the mold and put it right on top of the flower. Oh nice holding it up there And if all goes well No, no No, Janine Joanne is not with us. Yeah, no really Joanne, um married to someone in indianapolis By the way, a huge Colts fan and a huge Joanne fan over here. Yeah Yeah, it was so sad. Joanne was with us for so long. No, I mean it was so happy Oh happy for her. Yes, but but selfishly. We're sad. Yeah You don't get someone as multi-talented as Joanne like ever ever No, I kind of like how about rebecca's resin rebecca's resin. Duh Like there's gonna be a logo already built in there. That's crazy No, you don't know what's on your bottles. It's on the instruction sheet. Is there? Oh, yeah, you're right. Correct. Correct So this is a piece of plastic and I'm putting it in the bottom of my compression chamber Oh smart. Nice because does it overflow Dave? Is that a thing? No, not worry about overflowing. Okay, it might You know, you might spill something. Okay It's just I'm being very careful with this So it does have some bubbles from the mixing And it's just from the mixing but now we're gonna try and Use this to get how long do you have to put it in there? Are you just gonna take it out the next day? You get pressure in the pot and then so why don't we go over again? This is a vacuum chamber, right? This is called a vacuum pump and once that's doing that a vacuum is uh Pulling the resin together so that the bubbles are pushed up to the top But then if you release the vacuum the bubbles go right back in So that's one method you have to cure you have to keep it in a vacuum for the entire curing process compression chamber seems to be The one most people use and again, we're still learning about this too But compression chamber it does the same thing instead of creating a vacuum It just it it just pressures lots of air in there And forces all the bubbles up that way so That's what we're gonna do Goodbye flower It's been nice It's been nice knowing you and working with you. See you later. We'll see you Godspeed doesn't look like some type of device that you'd fly into the land on Mars. Yeah, seriously. I feel like this was built It's a what? Module It does look very very but more like more like like 70s movies high tech like 70s exactly like this is the russians made this This is how they fake the moon landing is they built stuff like this to make it look like we know what we're doing Okay, so you just tighten these down so that It doesn't explode. This is a scary thing. The good thing is there's this air safety valve So I have to reach a certain point this thing will pop. Oh smart the arrow as opposed to the whole thing exploding Killing everyone. That's probably a good idea.  So now what we do So I'm gonna leave. I don't know if this is open or closed. Great. I'll just step back here so If I open this So all just start working. Okay, I gotta close this good I know right Here we go. You're letting air out. So you want air to stay in Oh Okay, so this was this was open just closed and now air is going in you can hear it. We'll see this going up That's the pressure So someone is asking that they're waiting on information. Was that going up? That's going up. Yeah, it's going up. Yep They're waiting on information about pinholes. Sorry. What was your full question? I don't I don't remember What your full question is about pinholes and what that's relating to fire it away and we'll answer Okay, um, okay, so rebecca makes to thank you rebecca. Oh, she's gone. Oh my god So rebecca said I would have cleaned these before and I said well, then you make your own marker Okay, so here's what we're doing today Just like this and then I'm gonna get messy and just move it all around That's what it's all about You put your resin in And you keep it in you put your resin in and you pour it all about okay And then I wanted enough to put these pairs I gloves on so this is just To keep these pairs from breathing Once we cover them in silicone to make molds so This is all I'm doing just you want to coat the whole thing kind of But now we're on a timeline If I don't do this soon enough within the week or so we find out and I'll start rotting and Some bad things might happen I see I think the question for maria is if you get a little a few little holes maybe Bubbles or whatever once you do a light sanding after you do a first pour Will the resin fill in those pulling holes if you do a second coat? Definitely. Yeah And it won't really show Like circles it'll disappear. It'll mesh together. So it is a good off It is definitely recommended to pour a second coat after a light sanding Get those holes open and do it up. Okay, so I'm just covering all this This is a common technique for marker lifts. Is this this is uh, how the pros do it So, yeah, there's like pointillism and Yeah acrylics and oil painting story and marker lid Creation I don't know what it is. No, no problem, Maria. Sorry it took a while. Um, this is this is I'm going to keep working on it until all of a sudden it's just a finished piece of art made out of lids People will cheer You know what you know what this makes me think of those art You know what people have taken like a gun shells And they've done that where they've put on a board and they have just dump a whole bunch And then they probably resin them or whatever, right? So this is like your response to Violence. Yes But a boom Make art make love not war make art not war boom Okay, live captured Do you want to call it a day? It's been 57 minutes Yeah, let's call it a day. That was a great session So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to turn this off Close this off so there's pressure inside this tank and it's just being held And then I'm going to release all the this is a thing here too I'm going to release all the air out of the clean here And here Dianne that was Dianne is obviously very creative because she just wrote Whatever what's that the shake it all about whatever that song is called She did a whole resin version like an art resin version. Okay. You need to check out comments for next week and Dianne you got to come back and we'll have something for you because that is brilliant what you just wrote I tried to grab it quickly.  Anyways, David Goodbye everyone. Thank you for watching Wednesdays. It's nice to be here with you and I hope you Just make something too We'll talk to you later. See you


Wow, I wasn't expecting so many people to come today. So hi everyone, my name is Kevin Figueroa. I've been in the computer security industry for seven years now. I've consulted at numerous financial institutions and different media companies. So our talk today is going to be on VLAN and Layer 2 Attacks and why are they still relevant today. I'm going to hand it over to my brother right now so he can introduce himself. Hi, my name is Mark Figueroa. I'm the founder and senior security consultant at MEF Consulting. You can check out my bio on defconn.org. Thanks for coming. So the reason why we chose to do this research was because many small and mid-sized businesses are still using older type of equipment and also because misconfigurations. But this slide right here shows that there was a report last year by CSI and FBI Survey Report that showed there was 19 different attacks that estimated at $66.9 million. Out of those 19 different attacks, nine of those attacks could possibly be of Layer 2. So on this slide, this is the type of equipment we used. We used 3,600 routers, 2,600 routers, 2,900 catalyst switches, 3,505 catalyst switch, 4,006 catalyst switch, and some Wi-Fi equipment. I will go through the different type of attacks that we went through. But as for the tools that we use, I'll give a brief rundown of the name of the tools and what they do. SCAPI is a packet generating program, really, really good packet generating program. It has many other functionalities, but we chose to use it as for doing packet generation. Yesenia is an attack tool to attack different type of protocols against the network. Mac OF sends random Mac generation to a different type of switches. We also used TCP dump and ethereal, aka Wireshark, to do our packet sniffing, and Cane and Able to capture username and passwords. We also used EtherCAP in order to do our ARP spoofing.  So over here, these are 2,600 Cisco routers. We have 2,900 catalyst switches, and this big one down here is the 4,006 catalyst switch. A lot of this equipment we got an astonishingly from dumpster diving and also some loaners that we got from different companies. But I'm going to pass it over to my brother so he could explain exactly how we got all this equipment. So the first thing, 90% of our equipment was given to us by Fortune 500 companies. When looking for equipment, you want to look from within your company.  Craigslist is another great way to get equipment. On there, they have a link called curbside, which they advertise that they're going to put equipment like routers, switches, and servers out on the street at a certain time. And you can go over there and just pick it up. Another thing what I like about Craigslist is the pigs firewall that I purchased was only $100. And the thing was, I went to the gentleman's house, told him to boot it up, run some configs on it, reboot. If you go to eBay, you view pictures. And then when they send it to you, like I bought a switch, it came to me shattered. So never again, almost forgot. If you want to see the rest of our lab, you could go to securityresearchlab.name.com. It has all of our equipment, from pigs firewalls, to routers, to servers, everything. It's layer two attacks out of date. Some people say no, some people say yes. When my brother came to me with this research, I was like, why are we even looking at layer two attacks? It's about four years old. I don't want to look at this. Let's look for zero days and on new vulnerabilities that come out. And he's like, wait, wait one second, man. Just look at the research I presented. And then I see these small and mid-sized companies that are still vulnerable to these attacks. Well, many of us have heard by now that an attack occurred in the beginning of June against Metasploit.com. And our poison attack redirected traffic to a known Chinese website right over here, right here. So when you went to Metasploit.com, it redirected to somewhere.com, which then pointed and gave an example here showing. And the detest slogan says it best. Impossible is nothing. When you are a target, you will be attacked. And that's why we have right here Metasploit.com being a target. The problem is that lately more and more security teams focus on the current threat and the older styles of attacks are being pushed to the back burner and being overlooked. And every month, there's new vulnerabilities, as you guys know, that come out every month from Firefox, Microsoft, everything. So back to the basics, architects. Skillful hack is like, well, both to machines and to people. Social engineering involves tactics like posing as a company employee. Lying to machines involve lots of different techniques. Art poisoning is an effective way to intercept SNF, hijack, DOS network connections. It is the most effective way of hijacking sessions because it allows the attacker to see incoming and outgoing communication, as you're going to see in later slides coming up. But I wanted to make a point that on slide, on bullet point three here, H.D. Moore stated that the other 250 servers of the ISP that was hosting the other 250 servers were still vulnerable after Metasploit fixed their issues. So it's two things. Either they didn't care about the other 250 servers or they just said those other 250 servers can be attacked. Either way, I wouldn't host my website with them. So here you see a simple diagram of arch-proofing.  I should have fixed it. But by then, it's too late. You're already on the unemployment line and you're looking for a new job. Now, you could easily perform this attack with EaterCap. The attacker will spoof server B, server A when he sends traffic over to the attacker, the attacker will intercept it and then redirect the traffic over back to server B. Now, all right, the fun begins. Arch Attack demo. Most people could show this easily with EaterCap, but since we're in Las Vegas, the show capital of the world, we're gonna perform this and simulate this attack and perform this live. So we need to volunteer in the audience, preferably a girl. Yeah. And especially that likes money because that's what we're doing here. We're giving away money. Nobody wants money and not. Come up. All right, we got a brave soldier. We got a brave one here. It's all right. What's your name? Lisa. Lisa, we have Lisa. All right, so remember that last diagram we did? The last diagram, she is server B. I am server A. And this gentleman right here is the evil one. He's the attacker. So I have some confidential data, $10, that's it. And I'm gonna transfer it over to her. Here you go. Reach that. Oh, he just arped spoofed you. He snatched your tag. Ooh, man, you gonna let him do that? But you know what he's gonna do? He's gonna be nice because he's gonna redirect and forward the traffic. Forward the traffic and give her $5. All right, so now I'm gonna send the $100 your way. The big money. And this is gonna have all the credit cards from HR, all the information, social security numbers, all the important stuff. So now you can have this. Oh. Oh. Real quick, real quick. Couldn't get it. Couldn't get it. And he's gonna switch the traffic and forward it on to you. Can I have that one? Negative, negative. At the Crab Table tonight. So give a round of applause. You get some money. Thank you. So how do we mitigate these risks? Non-changing ARP entries, please don't waste your time. It's unmanageable, two-time consuming. DHCP snooping, we cover it on some later slides. But ARP watch, it's an open source software that monitors a network for ARP activity. It generates a log of IP address, MAC address pairings, along with a timestamp, when the pairing was seen on the network. And plus it's free. And if it's free, it's all me. So switches maintain a list called CAM Tables that maps individual MAC addresses on the network to a physical port on the switch. This enables it to only send data out the physical port where the recipient computer is located. In a typical MAC flooding attack, the switch is flooded in packets, each containing different source MAC addresses. The intention is to consume the limited memory set aside on the switch to store the MAC addresses in the CAM Tables. And this is where you see right here, the yellow is the CAM Tables. Now, the result of the attack causes the switch to go into a state called failed open, which you can see incoming and outgoing traffic and is broadcasted to all ports instead of the correct port. And here you see a regular switch sending data from P1 to P2. And on the right hand side, you see where the attacker sends the traffic on, floods the CAM Tables, and now when P1 sends data over to P2, the attacker as well gets it as well. So, I chose Mac-O-F. Oh, I'm sorry, Kev. We chose Mac-O-F. To flood the switch with random MAC addresses, causing the switch to fail open in repeated mode. This is when you should be running your sniffer. Now, this attack is as easy as opening up a terminal, typing in Mac-O-F, and then you start flooding the network with those packets. The result of the last slide caused the switch to bleed out, in which all incoming packets are broadcasted onto the switch, as with the hub. Such different programs like Wireshark and the one that we used can enable, capture sensitive data from other computers like unencrypted passwords, emails, instant messaging conversations, which would not be accessible if the switch was operating normally. Now, the mitigation of Mac flooding and CAM Tables is the same as ARP attack. So, more advanced switches, such as Nortel or Cisco, gives you the opportunity to set up protection against the attack, limiting the MAC addresses to a dedicated port. You can also set up a policy that if the MAC address appears on the network and shuts it down, the fault is to shut down the port, write a log, and email the admin. Now, it's up to the admin to do what he needs to do to mitigate the issue. Now, the DHCP starvation attacks works by broadcasting DHCP requests with spoof MAC addresses. This is easily achieved with programs like Yersenia or Gobler. If enough requests are sent, the network attacker can exhaust the address space available to the DHCP servers. Here you see Yersenia broadcast DHCP requests with spoof MAC addresses to exhaust the DHCP server IP pool. And you could just launch the attack, hit a radio button that comes up, and then you see the request being sent on the network. It's as easy as point and click. So, here you see the result of the DHCP starvation attack. The Microsoft DHCP server crashes and the attacker can implement the rogue server and then route all the traffic through the attacker. And this is scary because if this happens at two o'clock in the morning, you're gonna have to restart this service, and I don't know an admin at two in the morning that's dedicated to go on, log in, and restart the service. So, DHCP demo time. Now, like we said, we're in Vegas and we're not gonna do this on screen. We're gonna make everybody a participant here. So, we're gonna be the DHCP servers. The chips that we got from the Riviera are the IP addresses. So, you guys gotta request them. But I see this guy right here. I see them requesting. Who's requesting? Okay, hold on, hold on, just request them. Raise your hand. Oh, but I see this guy Maximus over here. Don't worry about that. So, we got this guy Maximus here, this hacker right here. He decides to open up Yersenia, and he's gonna run a DHCP starvation attack. Now, when he raises his hand, the DHCP starvation attack's gonna start occurring. So, raise your hand. So, now, he just ran the attack. There's no more IP addresses. We don't got no more IP addresses here. But, as you can see, my brother's walking on stage, and he is the rogue server. So, he's handing out IP addresses right now. And now, who wants to request more IP addresses? Well, he's supplying them. You ran out? All right. Every up, every up, we only got 50 minutes, man. All right, so, now, what we're gonna do, everybody who received the chip, the $100 chips we was just giving out. No, the other ones, those are Riviera chips. We just gave our $100 chips right now.  The people that I gave out the chips, anybody want your real money? Anybody want real money? The first set of chips was real. The $100 chips, come up and get your money. Now, look at the attack works, right? He's the rogue server. The fourth gateway is over here, fellas. Yep. So all the chips, that's exactly what happens. The rogue server, DHCP snooping monitors and restricts DHCP requests. And again, if you guys got the capital, make sure you buy better switches and better equipment, pony up the cash. So, the most obvious risks associated with CDP is information leakage. CDP communicates amongst one another via clear text and unauthenticated. By claiming to be a phone, an attacker can reserve some electrical power, denying other valid devices from receiving power from the switch. Another CDP attack that is still relevant is a vulnerability in Cisco iOS 12.1 and 12.2, which handles CDP announcements. You can consume all the device memory, available memory, by sending large amounts of CDP neighbor announcements to the device. So here, we ran a test. On this attack, we were running Cisco iOS version 12.0 and it was vulnerable to the Nala service attack. While residing on the same network segment as the targeted device, we flooded the device with CDP neighbor announcements to consume all available memory and cause the device to crash. And here, you see the memory allocation over and over and this is when we ran the attack up here. Now, we had to restart that switch for it to start working again.  If you don't need it, turn it off. The question arises is why CDP is enabled on a network on the first place. IP phones are very popular in today's network so CDP is used to order in order to determine the actual power of the device. I know it uses skinny as well. So, STP attack. The idea of STP attack is to fold a network composed of several switches by forcing all switches to fold packets to the attacker machine. In order to do this, the attacker must send a BPDU packet advertising the root bridge to the switch where the attacker is connected to. Here are some of the attacks that you could run on STP. Now, here you see Ysenia sending a configuration BPDU DOS attack and also you could use Ysenia to claim the root row, which is up here, this radio button here. Once you run the root attack, Ysenia sends a BPDU every two seconds with the same priority as the current root bridge but with slightly numerically lower MAC addresses which ensures victory in the root bridge election process. STP mitigation, you can disable STP. STP is not needed in a loop-free network. Another thing is you can enable root guard. The root guard feature ensures that the port on which root guard is enabled is a designated port. And here are some of the examples that you could run on a Cisco switch. So, thanks guys, I'ma turn it over to my brother, Kevin Lascope. So, the next attack that we're gonna speak about is multi-casting and brute force. Now, once again, I know that newer switches prevent this from happening, but like I said at the beginning of the slide, these attacks were meant for older switches, like 3,600s and 2,600s. So, the way this attack works is by sending a storm of layer two multi-casting frames out to the switch. One of the things that we noticed the most once we did this was of course a denial of service attack, but it also leaked other frames into other VLANs. So, one of the ways that we know to combat this is of course, upgrade your equipment, but due to the fact that the economy is so bad, there isn't a lot of budgets for companies in order to wanna go and do these upgrades, so they suffer the consequences. Another thing is to make sure that you put ingress filters on your VLANs to try to prevent leakage going into those other type of VLANs. The next attack that we tried out was the VLAN Trunking Protocols, VTP. As we know that VTP is a proprietary Cisco protocol, and it was meant to make administrators life a hell of a lot easier, but at the same time that it made their life easier, it made us hackers a lot easier to break into their network using this type of attack. As my brother explained, and you've seen in the earlier slides, that Yesenia is a point and click program. My mother's right here in the front, I can easily show her how to run this attack. One of the things that I liked about Yesenia is how I could easily add a VLAN onto a switch by using this type of protocol. Now I know that most of yous are wondering, why is Donald Trump's picture at a hacker conference? Who said that? Come up here, right now! You see, I was going to come out and give you money for that. Nice answer, but because he used me as a bitch, you know, that's totally cool, have a seat, man. So once again, yeah, if you use this type of protocol, chances are, and you get attacked using this protocol, chances are your boss is going to come in and say you're fired, you know? But if you do have to use this protocol, make sure that you use MD5 hashes and also in combination with a password, so it makes it a bit more difficult for that attack to happen. So these next three attacks that I'm going to get into is private VLAN, VLAN hoppings, and 802.1Q packets, encapsulation tags. Well, private VLANs were made for isolating traffic in between different VLANs. Now, if traffic was being sent from one VLAN to another, via switch, from switch to switch, and there was a router in the middle, of course that traffic is going to be passed over through layer three. So putting that aside for one second, I just want to speak about Scapi. A couple of months ago, a friend of mine introduced me to this program. I really got addicted to this program.  So at the same time, a couple of months ago, as I got introduced to this, I had a client. And I was browsing the internet, I came across this picture and I was like, wow, this is the way the client is pretty much set up. So down in Lower Manhattan, they had a pop, and in midtown Manhattan, they had their central office. And they had satellite offices throughout the United States. So they asked me to come in and check out configurations, do some pen testing and stuff. So what I did was I jacked a laptop into this switch right here. Of course there's a firewall, but I wasn't going to do any graphics on it. So I jacked into this switch right here and used Wireshark and also TCP dump and snort. And as I started capturing traffic, I started capturing 802.1Q packets. Now, how many people are here use Wireshark? Okay, so you know if you capture a packet on 802.1Q, you click that little down and it's gonna show you the VLAN ID numbers. So using Scapi, you can start manipulating your packet to do other things. And I'll show you later on in the next slide. So first, in order to mitigate this type of attack, the best thing to do is set up access list correctly. God knows how many times access lists are misconfigured and it's very, very important to set those up. So the next piece is the VLAN hopping portion of this. Of course in order to do VLAN hopping, you would need to know the VLAN ID. And again, using Scapi, you can easily set up Scapi to do 802.1Q packets inside one packet. So going back to that other picture that I showed you, I'll just try to break it down a little bit. This was the switch that I jacked in through. This was me and I started capturing information about HR, their DMZ and other different type of departments. So I was really, really curious if this VLAN hopping stuff was gonna work. So I was like, okay, let me go and use Scapi. Lo and behold, I got into HR and a lot of HR information. I was able to view a lot of HR information, a lot of accounting information and stuff that I should have never been able to see. The way to mitigate this type of stuff is make sure you disable your trunk ports. Auto-trunking, sorry, excuse me. Disable auto-trunking. And also, sorry, I'm getting a little nervous now, I don't know why. Also make sure that any ports that are not used on a switch disable them. Because if not, you're gonna, and you have, say if you have auto-trunking enabled and there's a port that's not being used, they can easily switch that trunk port over to that port not being used and there goes your miscommunication and misconfiguration and you can do really bad things to it. So the last piece to this three part was the double encapsulation. Like I said before, all VLANs carry that VLAN number and VLAN ID. So most of the information about the VLAN is inside that 802.1Q packet. That also ensures that information going from one VLAN to another isn't dropped or lost and knows the exact direction in which way it's going. So right here is a little diagram of me using Scapi, I wanted to put more commands and stuff but I didn't wanna trip a lot of time. So over here was where I was at. This is a packet and I decided to put these two 802.1Q packets. So right here was the original VLAN and this was a VLAN that I spoofed. So as you can see, I went, I sent out this traffic, these two, a packet with two 802.1Q packets. It wind up going over to this switch. The switch strips the first 802.1Q packet, sends it off to the second switch and the second switch believes that that came from the first switch. So then it let me bypass and that's how I was able to attack the HR department and stuff. So a good way to ensure that this type of attack doesn't happen is ensure that native VLANs aren't assigned to any ports. Another way is to force all traffic to carry only one 802.1Q packet. This last attack is the VNPS VQP. Now I don't know why people still use this. This makes a network really, really easy to go and attack it and the reason why it makes it quite easy is because the information being passed to the VNPS server is over UDP and clear text. So of course, if you're running any SNiffer programs and stuff, you're totally able to see the information and launch different type of attacks from here and one of the ways that VNPS sends over the information is by VQP. So a good way to mitigate this type of attack is take your VQP and make sure it's on an out of bandwidth, out of band basis or don't use it at all. And if you do have to use it, that means you have the resources and the budget in order to monitor this stuff to prevent different type of attacks from happening. So last but not least is our conclusion to this. There are a lot of different ways in order to go and prevent these type of attacks from happening. But most importantly and I want to all use to keep in mind is that I know these attacks are dating back to 1999 and 2000 but if they're dating back to those dates, then why are they still happening today? Especially to different ISP companies and things that everyone's seen out in the news. So one of the good ways to go and prevent and which is really important is this bullet point right here. Make sure that you take your SNMP and take the community string and make sure that that is like a route password. You want to protect that because I see that a lot of different type of attacks could happen using this. So in conclusion, I'm going to hand it over to my brother and let him close up any comments or anything that he wanted to say. You're going to miss a big announcement about a party but go ahead, it's all right. It's okay, you'll be back. But we launched a website around two or three weeks ago called the Security Research Lab and it's basically for the community. It's almost a social networking site only for security. Having videos, pictures or updated content and it's just for like us man. And I want everybody, I invite everybody to go up, sign up and the first thousandth person is going to get a real big chunk of money, not this dollar stuff. So that's a prize we've given out. Another thing on our website, you could definitely take a look at the presentation, update it and my brother put out, what is it, 200 page paper? 105 page paper. We're going to post that up on that website as well and you could definitely email us at MAF Consultant or K&T and any questions or we could take this to the breakout room. I'm not too sure, but Kev, do you have any more? Not at all, does anybody have any questions?  Pan house party tonight. All right, Pan house party. My boy here, we flew him down from New York, DJ G Boulder Pro. So we have a DJ, we got the DJ equipment, a lot of liquor. I know you have a lot of chicks over there that do. Make sure you invite all your girls, exactly, make sure you invite all of them. Hello? Gentlemen, I have their hand raised. You said you had a question? Ha ha ha ha, uh, yeah. Thanks. Listen, the guy that's saying curse is my man, my mother's here, man, calm down with your language. If not, you could wait for me afterwards, you know. Easy killer. But also pertaining back to the DMZ stuff, yeah, quite easy and stuff. All right. Any other questions? No. See you at the Pan house.


It is talking baseball the Astros take a three-to-two lead Garrett Cole shuts him down Joe Ross He did his best What's going on everybody? Welcome back to talking baseball. Thank you for stopping in we are close to ending our Daily World Series episodes. We are potentially one game away Scary times no more baseball games to be played. Let's not talk about that yet We had one played last night the Astros beat The Nationals they went to the Capitol and they took three games From the home team The nerve of them the guts My name is John boy. I'm coming from New Jersey. I got my coach Jake. He's in Denver He's wearing an I love baseball shirt seen on Colorado Rockies Star pitcher Tim Melville and this episode of talking baseball is brought to you by our most recent patreon subscriber supporter Who's whose handle is J pay Jpk 501, but has chosen to go by Chode Masterson So thank you JPEC Aka Chode Masterson for being our our one patron that signed up yesterday two dollars a month We appreciate the support. Thank you chode Jake. How are you doing? Doing well Jimmy. Yeah, we're uh, we're up. We're up to an elimination game Could be the end of baseball as you're saying I'm wearing my I love baseball shirt leave a review that says I love baseball Just in case we have I love baseball shirts available in every team's color shop dot John one media dot-com Go check them out Yeah, man, you know, what what are we five and oh on the road this world series I know you you've got to be pretty stoked to use that fun fact on Yankee fans all of next year for the hubbub that goes into home field advantage I'll use it on right now. Hey Yankee fans. You're dumb Go win the games and we haven't I guess the first time we've seen the first five games go to the road team since 1996 a fond year for some Yankee fans.  Oh Sorry, I prep bro. Gee you're over here throwing on Jorge Posada hats This isn't okay It's actually I'm actually wearing it. It's a guy that played in the 60s Okay, who is it then? Let's hear the lippies fans. It's Willie Willie Sada also were 20. Yes for the Yankees because those are Yankee colors. Well debatable Well, no, no, it's not Another Washington Skylark's also wore this call color Okay, Willie Posada of the Washington Skylark's There's no way the Buick Skylark Yeah, man. I'm I'm I'm excited action deposit traction My cousin Vinnie good flick Sponsoring this episode Okay, make your point Astros Astros they're gonna win the world series. No Double backpedal You don't think the Astros are gonna win the world series No, I think they are and the the whole Astros domination thing I talked about but I'll say this I mean if you we've been getting lost in a lot of the starting pitching matchup and talking about Cole and Verlander the bad guys waiting I Mean just on a pitcher level like if you had to pick one guy for game six, would you pick Verlander or Strasburg? Oh It's Schrasburg I picked I picked Schrasburg over Verlander in game two right, so I don't know I and You know, maybe Mack Scherzer if they could somehow pull out game six Scherzer could be there for seven So there's still a potential fun twist of the series but Houston's offense is now clicking on multiple levels and Washington's offense You don't like that they only had four hits and two of them came from Soto Well, I didn't want to say I love that. I would say I mean they had what three three runs in the homestands. I'm like that I think they got out scored. Ah I'm always forget this stuff. They're like 207 to three or something like that 207 to three. It's looking like 19 to three But yeah, man, they they score 17 runs in the first two and then they score three runs in the next three That are Keedy start. I mean you heard everyone in the stadium saying you're kidding me. You're kidding me That's the one that's hot in them right now But hey you win you win the next game with Strasburg on the mound and then you just say oh well The road team wins every game. So we're about to win the world series Yeah patterns are patterns and the road teams when stops. Yeah, say that again for the people that didn't hear it patterns are patterns Yeah, bury it in there. Remember that one Damn, it's good stuff. I was gonna say it's normally a baseball podcast, but it's kind of just a life podcast Yeah, yeah, I give you out some life advice Thanks, Willie Posada. Yeah, shout out shout out Do you have a burn for this game? Oh?  I? Mean you're called if we want to dive into the patterns thing a little more Be interesting to see what we could get out of that you want to talk about the boobs now or later Yes, oh Wow Yeah creep much Okay All right, we're gonna go into the burns but first a quick word from a sponsor Do you like drinking coffee? Try this coffee? That was the commercial Okay, here's another one Ready set burn Locked up at two games a piece of big game five in DC as Garrett Cole Calhoun Tries to scrap his way to a W verse Mad Max.  This is America.   He's in good shape. Yeah good for you. Yo, he's got a movie before he got famous and it's Opens up and you're like, this is sucky, huh? Like what the hell is this and then me and Brad watching and as it goes on It's really funny. I think you'd enjoy it If I find out the name of it, I'll let you know Yeah, let uh, if you find out the name of it, then let me know That's what I just Yeah, but it's a pattern Okay, okay, it might be called party dudes. No Sounds like my type of movie I Don't know what it was called It's funny though. Okay. They were like solving your crime. I Believe it so big time. It sounds like you don't believe me at all Hey, how about that dude who took the ball off the chest holding the Bud lights. He's gonna get a Bud light add Yeah, they uh Bud light would tweet it at him and stuff like that on Twitter and well He kind of deserves it man. Yeah Double tall boys takes a home run off the chest and still snacks it still made the play. That's pretty impressive Some people like well, he definitely spilled beer later on like no He gently placed the beers on the ground, but there was some up shoot. I get come on the guy's a hero Yeah, taking the ball off the chest is awesome. Yeah, I Mean literally full Billy not Billy Madison The hockey one Or yeah, Billy Matt. No, no happy Gilmore. Happy Gilmore. She's yeah, I'm done. Sorry Willie Posada. You think Zach Campbell should change his style Don't know glove only cast or more this chest on multiple levels. Yeah, this guy just changed the game I'll let you and Zach figure it out on your own. Okay. Cool We will Update can't find the name of the movie that Donald Glover was in at all How about the baseball the baseball game? Yeah, I thought we were gonna talk about the girls that flashed their boobs can That's kind of wild. She's banned for life now. Do you see her Instagram?  It was like you're in trouble for Exposing yourself seeing others and cursing others like Shots fired at the second girl that flashed basically told her she was a mindless drone Like you only did this because she coerced you you have no thoughts of your own Yeah, I mean maybe girl number two is actually a baseball fan like I think Julia Rose wanted to be banned Oh, yeah, that was her endgame. Oh mystery team. That's the name of the movie mystery team got it I can now walk away. You know happily. All right. Do you think that? They sat in those seats all the way up till the seventh inning like they were like the seventh innings when we do it No Okay, no, I think they went up there to flash the camera knowing they get kicked out of the game cool And we've finalized that conversation discussed Shers are having to get scratch socks. We're so excited for Cole versus Sherser We did a whole our whole episode yesterday was How excited we were they were both gonna empty the tank go 120 if they needed to it was gonna be awesome and then I Don't know. I feel bad for Sherser because no one knows what pain Players are in so there's gonna be assholes that think you could have pitched through it You have to trust it. I don't think so. I think Sherser his reputation Proceeds him in the best way possible I didn't see anyone questioning him because he's the biggest psycho known in baseball I saw some people but I think they were just flippantly throwing out like pose But I mean you have to trust him that he can't throw if he doesn't throw Yeah Anyone was an actual human a human opinion or their actual face in their profile. Nobody actually questions Yeah, and if he if he's like good for game seven like I don't even understand how that works But the old switcheroo, man They knew Strasburg is gonna win game six because he's the best world series pitcher ever So they just saved Sherser for game seven. Oh, wow But they knew Sherser wouldn't go along with it on his own He wouldn't pull himself from game five for game seven on his own So they sent someone in the middle of the night to beat the shit out of them Okay, it's a let's put that in the theory bucket. Yeah, it's all only buckets. I ever use That's what the oh, that's the only buckets you ever use. I'm full of them. I walk around stepping in them.  So let's punt this we'll do the road team patterns game They'll burn coal in game five. We have Sherser rested for game seven. Yeah, we're trying to get off pattern talk is all oh I didn't know I thought the pattern was pattern talk Sherser's press conference did you watch it when he was talking? I tried to watch it But he was talking so slow that I was like, oh my god, I can't listen to you I've never heard Sherser like talk before. I think he was sad though about nothing in the world series. So It'll be interesting if you can go game seven if there is a game seven I do like I thought it was gonna be over game six for sure but now you've got this whole Strasburg can beat Verlander and then and then it's cranky versus Maybe Sherser game seven and I mean I'm in love with that idea Yeah, it's it's a really fun idea. It's it's tough to Wrap the head around just because I mean all of Washington's bats are kind of dead and like Houston Their lineup had thinned out, but now the depth of their lineup is going Jordan Alvarez with the big game Their catchers are doing things guerrilla looks good So that's the thing. I mean Strasburg would have to put up, you know, we we started this postseason with the asterisk He had a couple good playoff starts now.  Yeah But yeah, the Nats can still flip this script with one game with their One of the best postseason pitchers in history. So it's exciting for that I still think we need to talk about this game a little bit before we do Yeah, you keep getting ahead of yourself. I wanted to yeah, I wanted a clap for AJ Hinch and the Astros Okay Hold on. Let me put my coffee cup down Alvarez gets the start and It proved fruitful So good job by Alvarez for coming through when they put the trust in them and good job for them for putting the trust in them giving the start because He didn't start the game before right and I don't think he started game three No, this is so he this was his first start in the National League games where he has to play the outfield and Boy, oh boy, did it work? Yeah, he gets and there's like a line drive that was hit right at him at one point I I wonder if Joe Ross maybe has some well Maybe they were planning on doing it anyways because I mean Scherzer is as tough as it gets But I wonder if Joe Ross has some Some tough splits.   Yeah, and I'm just back to Alvarez. It looks like Joe Ross has pretty big splits I don't I don't know if it was factored in before after Scherzer, but yeah lefties hit 303 with an 856 OPS Against Ross where where righties were 239 667 OPS So that that definitely seems like it was a factor in Alvarez playing and did pay off. And yeah, man, it's It's tough because the Jordan Alvarez home run was a pretty good pitch Dude just drove it to left center And it it was it's good for baseball in general because you are now Varez was having an awful playoffs that he shows Baseball why he's one of the future big names in the game. I mean he he broke records and stuff this year And then yeah, I mean the Korea ones brutal And I don't know if we want to do the whole umpire stuff But you know he throws an absolute pitchers pitch that had a 50-50 chance of being called depending on the catcher's reaction And he doesn't get it and then he hangs a pitch two pitches later or whatever it was and it's It's gone. We're still hung the pitch. So but I right Yeah, I want to be like delicate because Astros fans are so sensitive already the nationals did not lose this game because of the umpire No, and right Ryan Zimmerman did the veteran thing after the game. He goes. We you know, we didn't lose to the umpires We lost scare cold.   Yeah, and it's like that's just not how it should work someone replied said Imagine who was I don't know who is pitching that I don't think it was Ross anymore Is it rainy? I think it was rainy.   I didn't watermark that video. I edited Mmm, I edited it really well. I was very happy with it. I didn't watermark it It's got 645,000 views and I already saw it ripped and shared on other accounts Without our watermark It's in such a rush to get it out But yeah, Lance Parkdale, there will be no Recourse for that the Robles one was even worse. No, they're both bad. I don't know. They're both like a little right down the middle in the Robles one. Yeah, it's People say like it's getting worse. I don't think it's getting worse. I think it's just getting highlighted how Emotionally it's been like can you imagine in the 60s 70s like umps probably were fucking 10 times worse Yeah, I if you showed up and I'm I mean when we were in literally little league The thing was like hey, don't show up the ump because they'll call the next pitch anywhere a strike Like you hear ex-players talk about that on broadcast like oh man If you ever showed up and up like that it didn't matter where the next pitch was like imagine if if Twitter was around then And that's that's what it is everything's just amplified more because baseball started figuring out social media You're a good example of it that uh, I mean yeah, it's just it's people are seeing it now and Yeah, it's that they need a better solution And I don't know if it's gonna be eventually challenging pitches, you know the big robo-umps talk there They don't have robo-umps perfected yet. So I don't know what the solution is gonna be they will have them perfected at one point and I don't and People love saying you think it's easy. You go do it. I don't think it's easy. No, I think it's that's the problem I think it's impossible for a human umpire to consistently call balls and strikes. I think it's too hard That's the opposite. I don't think any human can do it But yeah humans can call the calls last night.  I think the Robles one is a little more pathetic when Zimmerman walks on That pitch but better before it and then Cole goes Four inches outside of that and then he calls it just because Robles starts going down the line It's like dude this nobody wants to see this And it's yeah, it's a problem And that's I had a tweet for mid-year that that went fairly viral. It was just like hey There's gonna be a call. I mean look what we're talking about right now So far the talking points of this baseball game are boobs The ball going off the Bud Lightman's chest and the umpires and you're an alberas and you're an alberas We have talked about that but I don't think that's that's not the national conversation when when the national Conversation talks about this baseball game the baseball is gonna come last and Garrett Cole's performance shouldn't be last and you're an Alvarez shouldn't be last to be Carlos Correa Having the tide for the shortstop record for home runs in world series George Springer having the third most home runs by a non Yankees player in the world series I got stats in shit. Yeah, okay buff reading your almanac Biff buff. Thanks. Wow Freudian slip Yeah, how about it? No Cole doesn't deserve to be talked about dude only had nine strikeouts is bum Yeah, that's true.  I mean Cole's good. Did you see like the curve he was throwing?  It's like, oh my god That sucks His post games are pretty interesting because he's like kind of really honest He has like a memory of every pitch, but he said, uh, yeah We kind of realized, you know, that's kind of the better game plan there is just go curve ball more Yeah Easy enough. I think he's gonna get paid pretty well Yeah, someone said something on the broadcast like he's gonna set records and it's like obviously Right, you know every one sets a record every offseason pretty much that's like How it works Yeah, I mean there is a lull there for a little bit like after because there was a while where like the a-rod and Zito contracts were like these terrible albatrosses that teams kind of reeled it in a little bit I still think now we're I still think the top free agent always sets the market like Cole's gonna get more than Corbin and Corbin got more than the big guy before him. I guess it's just like how kind of money works kind of But yeah, he's gonna get a lot of money. It's really good. He's probably it's unafair the fan base that he goes to Will not be kind because What Cole did this season is not repeatable It's a near perfect season from start to finish the the regular season and then to do it in the postseason I mean, it might be you we'd have to look back through the anals of history What's your favorite hobby, but I'm sure there's others that compare But it's a near perfect season from a starting pitcher like if you do if he duplicates this That's amazing Yeah, and it's I mean it becomes less about the regular season because an impressive regular season an impressive regular season If wherever Garrett Cole goes and he's this Garrett Cole in the postseason or the team goes on to win a world series I think the fan base cares about that And you know obviously personality and stuff ties in but you know C.C. Sabathia, he signed a giant contract with the Yankees He wins that world series in his first year And I don't know he's beloved by the fan base forever. So Yeah, Garrett Cole is gonna get paid paid and he I don't know he's he's gonna be I'm expecting him not to be necessarily regular season stats this good But you should expect the arm talent. Yeah, and everything to be that special for a few more years How about our boy Joe Smith coming in Married or dating Allie LaForest. Did you hear that? Really? Yeah, how do you do that? I don't know. I think they probably went on a date And I don't know from there they kind of just hit it off I guess good for him Yeah She was she covering baseball. Is that how they met? I don't know She was she got her she got her big thing with the March madness. I remember that's when she like came on to the scene. Everyone was like who is this Talented woman Well, you forget that she won Miss Teen USA in 2005. So I did forget that I forgot You know what? I forgot how big a fan of you are of Miss Teen USA. Oh, yeah, I Doesn't get out of my sights Yeah, Joe Smith, man.  So that's been cool the part I love about Sidewinder's is that's like The dudes that love baseball the most man. That's digging deep into the barrel of tricks. It's them knuckle ballers It's like you are on your last baseball lifeline looking for a way to stay in the game And Joe Smith's done it for I don't know 13 years now, whatever it is. So Yeah, and you saw him and Hinch have the weird Baseball embrace slash stare each other in the eyes. Did you see that? I did not see that Sounds nice. It was intense, man Like it looked like it was gonna be the big like I don't know manager player hug Like dude, can can you believe it? This is awesome. But Hinch just kept his arms like this on Joe Smith's shoulders and They like talked for a while almost like nose-to-nose.  No, I block them out. What is it? a rod Who started that March and That I'm not sure they a rod in the will ponds. We're we're seeing out to dinner the other night, dude I a rod big fan ears. I think you're great baseball mind. I Do not think you'd be good manager Well, no, it just blows my mind. Can we talk for a second? Hey, I'd loved open forum I'm still hunting around the internet trying to find how ally LaForest and Joe Smith Matt You're Alex Rodriguez You're J. Lo's fiance You you're life and you're like a lifestyle person now you show up at different events You're doing stuff with J. Lo. You're doing a rod stuff. You're basically wherever you want to be when you want to be if you're a MLB manager You're like trapped For 80% of the year Like no way a rod would take a managerial job The only way would be if he's crazy enough to think he has to prove himself which a rod has always thought his whole life So there is a chance because of the a rod factor, but I don't know man.  It's like when Wayne Gretzky tried to manage It's like hey, man you don't really understand like How it feels to not be The one person of talent Yeah, some of us Can't just go do that Right little difference or whatever Smith and LaForest met in 2011 when LaForest was working with Fox 8 in Cleveland And he was pitching on the Indians Wow, so there you go and He had a 50% chance of getting hot Huntington's disease and they do a lot of charity work together. They're active in that community. Yes, so now we can put that to rest finally finally how about a Turner Eaton Rendon going oh for 11 It's not good and Cole said You know the bottom of the order his eyes light up he was like God I had that battle with Zimmerman I know I didn't really have to attack him because I wasn't gonna Give in to Robleson Gomes And it's like yeah shots fired Robleson Gomes I mean and even look at look at what he did to Zimmerman with a couple of those pitches like that was brutal Yeah, and I think it's it's it's the new kind of what to watch for in this series a Whoever Houston's rolling out a catcher is doing their job I think that might be one of the funny things, you know You and I have had some good conversations about Catching platoons and how it kind of sucks for a baseball team if you have a catching platoon Houston showing an example of an awesome one right now Because I think the numbers with Mal Denado paired with Cole are incredible and when both of them hit it looks really well, so Yeah, I mean if you're if you're the Nats man This day off is more than welcome.   Arietta? Jake Arietta is in Philadelphia No, that's that's crazy Yankee fans are gonna rejoice Dave Robertson All right, anything else about this game? I mean the late runs. I don't really care about again I've said that multiple times like what but it was Hudson. So actually, you know what that's actually bad Yeah, maybe that is something to pen in there like oh, yeah, that's a They they will need him if they have the lead in the next game again unless Strasburg does something special which he's capable of Yeah, they they got to Hudson and again, he hadn't pitched in a couple of days Do little gave up a hit in a walk, but he doesn't give up any runs Rainy somewhat settled down for them. Yeah, I don't know. I mean Houston Yeah, I don't know like Springer Correa a lot of these guys I'll too vase got a chance to set the playoff hit record for for one playoff like this Houston team is on the cusp of being viewed as a crazy special team And I don't know Washington still has a little chance to play spoiler Yeah, I mean, but what you said earlier in the show is like when Houston's got their depth role and like Maldon auto reach base twice Correa Had two RBI's and obviously a big hit Alvarez had three hits Griegel two hits Bregman didn't do anything, but whatever it grants on yesterday. You can rest a little bit Bradley didn't have a hit, but you didn't get a walk But like yeah, look at that. It's the middle of the six seven eight kind of we're on base a lot and Springer, so I mean they got a lot going right right now Yeah, and I mean right now.  So Yeah, there's right now. There's a lot of holes in the Nationals lineup and pretty much none in Houston's Yep, all right. Let's take a quick break and then we'll talk about a little we've already done it a lot, but this game six Game six Jake back in Houston Off-day lets the bullpen arms rest a little bit when they did have you know Hudson just went 1.2 Game before allows him the rest and it's Strasburg, you know, I was just kept telling myself It's Verlander and an elimination game I think he's lost every elimination game that he's pitched He's lost the last five starts in the World Series Anyway, but like he had a chance to eliminate the Yankees They beat him and I believe when that happened someone said Verlander hasn't won a potential elimination game yet Which is kind of bizarre and kind of just cherry picking a weird stat because he's still Verlander But Strasburg has been better than him and right that's like facts Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's big facts. I mean Verlander Okay, so let's do Verlander career in the World Series six starts He's oh and five with a 573 era. That's 33 innings pitched and Yeah, it's a small sample size if you want to do the analytical stuff on that blah blah blah And I mean this postseason He his first start against Tampa Bay. He dominated. He was seven innings pitched one hit three walks eight strikeouts Since then he hasn't been full Verlander his last four starts all in the playoffs He's one in three or the team is one in three. Excuse me He's own three twenty three point one innings of five four era. So he really hasn't been The Justin Verlander that we that we all know and hey, maybe I if you wanted to put a Houston spin zone on this You know me let's say Justin Verlander has had a hey Maybe you know, maybe I'm not the Justin Verlander that I have been the past couple years You know, maybe this is his swan song and he just fully empties the tank and what could be you know One of his best memories ever on the other side of it Strasburg dude, he's 47 career playoff innings a 134 era 64 strikeouts and 47 innings He's been nothing short of dominant in the playoffs to the I mean, it's it's historic at this point. So Yeah, I mean if you're Washington like you're hurting right now because you just lost three games at home And you got dominated but it it's not like you're reaching for stuff to believe in like it It would be a shocking to no one if Steven Strasburg goes out and pitches seven innings shutout. No, it'd be cool Would you be shocked if the Astros put up like a seven spot in the first inning? It's been a seven spot. Yes patterns patterns patterns Jake patterns elimination games big innings in the first Yeah, you said that you were eyeing that for the Yankees too, and that didn't happen. Yeah, but this is National League That pattern got well one of the teams is for sure. That's what I'm saying the Nationals Have to allow one of them is not Jake. It's a pattern the Cardinals did it to the Braves, right?   Okay, more than fine with that. That's normally the plan anyways And yeah, so this is a flashback to game to psychedelic flashback flashback Both teams scored two runs in the first last time That would be the only run Houston got until the ninth when they hit that electric home run down 12 to 2 And they did the lights and the train and everything But yeah, I don't know I mean not gonna do my first inning spiel if you don't know I mean read a book about it. Eat your own bugs They need something out of Turner man turn Turner seemed like he was he was having a really good playoffs until this series And Rendon's been a little quiet So yeah, I mean the first inning is gonna be more and Rendon got him last time And then if you remember Bregman hit that change-up that Strasburg left for a home run into the Crawford boxes that kind of sparked him So that's kind of the must-watch stuff in the first inning. You think Strasburg opens them up first pitch change-up? Have to yeah Have to Show him you ain't scared Buck Johnson says he's happy because it sounds like you're back on the bandwagon Never been on the bandwagon Never might be attacking the bandwagon. I might be the opposite of the band now You're rooting for the nationals in game six big time room for the nationals. Yeah, so are you yeah? I'm on the bandwagon for game six.  That's exhausting We talked about how you'd never be able to get on a bandwagon with your little legs No, the velcros the velcros My biggest thing this is the biggest thing I need Jim. Yeah better life the nationals dugout Mm-hmm needs to be Electric they need to bring their own speakers and play baby shark in the dugout You need the glasses on the guys you need everyone being silly like Dave Martinez He I saw his press conference after the game and he kind of gave like the a little bit of the tough guy coach Like yeah, we know we know what we have to do and we're gonna win and we're we're gonna do it Which you know you have to because you're the manager, but I don't know my my pregame Dave Martinez speech would be like yo guys We got here being having fun and being silly and being the weird old guys like that that dugout needs to be electric And you know they the part of the reason they haven't been is because they've scored three runs over the past three games So they need something to spark them Ideally earlier or maybe it's not maybe they throw Kurt Suzuki back there And he can get a big hit and make it the Suzuki World Series, but they they need anything I do like the road team just constantly winning game seven. Sure. Give me game seven. That's all I've asked for All I've asked for people say who you want to win the World Series. I say I'm rooting for extra innings in game seven Wow Yeah Is a bold ask It's a big ask big ask And I'm rooting who so yesterday we did like who do we want the heroes to be in game game five Right, we didn't have Alvarez even as an option like we wanted out to be to be a hero Alvarez and Cole, but we knew Cole would do that.  That's what I was telling you Turner Turner had a walk eaten singled and then Rendon had the double that scored scored two So that's how they got to him in the first and then Such a first inning game with him Yeah, it's it's that's what it's been and then Suzuki got him. That was so yeah, you have to play Suzuki He's got the numbers verse Verlander. So yeah, big team Suzuki Big team Suzuki big team Suzuki and eaten was just slapping Verlander around.  He had the nice hit All right, so now one of these pitchers better not get scratched. That's my least want Yeah, I think we're okay on that. Well, you don't know I Think that's why I said that no one can ever predict death or injuries You kind of predict injuries, but that feels like a wormhole for another time. Sometimes you can predict death, too Yeah, you get to a certain point. So we'll take away that whole quote done. Okay, erase it strike it Strike that reverse it. I just hope we get a pitcher's tool That's what we're rooting for in this one. Yeah Yeah, tough break To get the DH back that's cool. So who does that help the DH coming back into play helps Kendrick he can play there, right?  Yeah, H Yep, yeah Helps both teams it just adds a hitter. So that's good. Yeah I mean we're talking about the part of the national success It felt like they had the lineup depth it felt like Robles had become a second leadoff hitter You had Astruble Cabrera who's been playing really well for them towards the bottom of their lineup So if you're the nationals, that's what you're telling yourself if you're the Astros You're saying it big-time favors us because Alvarez is back. He's gonna rake And you know, you can have some elite defense and in the outfield and yeah, yeah All right rooting for a game seven or the Astros to score seven plus in the first because I like patterns patterns patterns, baby patterns We'll be back Wednesday morning To recap game six Thanks for hanging out with us. We'll see you then Goodbye Jake last word too late


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