we are at the top of the hour so I'll kind of begin informally here is what says as you were saying that's part of the point is that and I will talk is that I've been fortunate to be in a lot of different types of forums to see how people work together and how they don't one of the more interesting ones and okay I'm kind of beginning informally my name is Phil Youngblood if let's see if you happen to be somewhat newer to the science circle you can take a look at all our exciting events over here and you can also catch some of these if you search for them on YouTube a little bit later okay so anyway I've been in a lot of different situations where people work together and like I said sometimes not and one of the more fascinating ones was I retired military officer and I was in Somalia with United Nations and I was also part of animal staff at the Marines and the US Marines have a fantastic way of meeting together so that everyone involved feels like they're part of the group from the lowest to the highest ranks and everybody gets a good feel for if everybody knows what they're doing and it just it's just a wonderful way to acknowledge both the individual and the group and everybody's role and part in it and I haven't seen too much in civilian life to match it but I'm going to talk about some different ways that we do this together that are from several different disciplines in other words we often have presentations that are multidisciplinary and sharing about a group feel free okay so coming up here anyway let's take a look now a lot a lot of these are my own little devices here and if you agree or disagree or whatever let me know is I was thinking about it you know let's let's take a look at some of the definitions is a group is a bunch of individuals in other words we're a group here that's why you're talking about a group etc we're a group and the definition of a group is a bunch of individuals that have a common interest in the case of the science circle it's besides you know meeting a terror it's basically to foster open education in the sciences and but where science and circles yeah okay circular argument okay so but we're made up of the individuals and the individuals have different personalities and to start with of course they have different needs once the graphics at the bottom of this slide well and that that's exactly right you know you've just hit it on the head is that one of the things about the science circle is the reason I present it is I like to learn because I want to listen to you and learn from you and so that's why I like the conversation chat and stuff and you meet people from all around the world you meet people from different perspectives you have no idea who you're talking to until they start chatting or talking and and the science circle is a that's I probably can't quote it but basically we're a group of everything from science vetted scientists and educators to science enthusiasts all different walks of life and ages and such and so anyway on this slide if you're looking at a group a group is made up of individuals the present or the graphics on the bottom are from a presentation I did that says how do I live and it looks at Maslow's hierarchy of needs or wants and in some cases I think those are summer needs like physiological needs safety needs that sort of thing but some of them I think are kind of wants they're ones that we want to have as we have more experience with life you'll also note that Maslow never intended it to be a pyramid like that intended it more to be like the one on the right where you're continuing to have needs but like when you're a baby mostly it's physiological needs and then as you mature it becomes more psychological itself well okay that was my own device what I'm saying is that if you're just in a group like say for example it could be if you're just in a group and you're not working towards a goal that group could the common interests might be you know running a country or something or whoever is in charge of country and so if you're more toward the introverted side you tend to be less engaged with people and then is my voice breaking up sorry let me sit a little closer okay so you may be less engaged with people if you're more likely if you're more toward the introverted nature here introvert means that you are innervated by the presence of people that is not energized but it saps your energy whereas extroverted if you're with a group you tend to be an activist or on the far side you could be a dictator rather than a hermit okay that's just that's my own device you won't see any theories on that okay next okay but so I'm establishing oh okay I'm establishing and and I like the feedback too because I was kind of going you know dictator okay so any case now a team though is is a subset if you want to think of it as a group but it's a it's a group of individuals that are working together hopefully towards a common goal can be sneaky wow okay yeah but okay so so a team then is a group of individuals who's working towards a common goal they still have their needs and wants and such yeah it's not not as a period so I'm going to talk about three different areas of going from different focuses in other words one project management not not managers and leaders but project management tends to focus on work in other words workers are the same and people are the same and stuff now if you're a manager leader you can't think that way but essentially it's focusing on work whereas the worker has to constantly balance that's a little thing in the middle constantly balanced between their needs and wants and the needs and wants of the group in order to achieve that common goal so you've got in the middle then you've got the idea of being a member here again I'm kind of going over some concepts and so as a member then we want to in order for the team to be effective we want to look at the concepts and theories and stuff of team development okay so that's where I'm going that's kind of my conceptual framework for people that like research terms okay so let's look at project management first here again I've mentioned that project management is methods and theories and blah blah blah of how do we get work done as I mentioned when I was in Somalia on Edmonds staff and UN UN and stuff is that the consequences of not working together getting work done can actually be life or death whereas for in a company you're talking about money and time and before some of these things came together people waste a lot of money and time and on occasionally lives by not working well together so when for example when the SpaceX was launching their Starship I was thinking man there is a lot of moving parts here and I don't just mean the spaceship is a lot of people have to be working together to make this happen and the same thing I was up since early this morning about eight hours ago watching the coronation in the UK and I found and I was thinking boy there's a lot going on here that people have to work it together to make it look like it's effortless which it's not yeah tiny sliver of the upper right well you're right and in fact actually let's see I need to make sure I watch my hour here but let's go back to this one real whoops where is it okay you'll notice as Baradon says is that as you mature self-actualization becomes a more prominent part of your life because you found ways to meet the physiological and safety and that sort of thing okay so that's kind of where we're going on there so let's take a look at project management because what I do try to do is keep to an hour and I usually can do that because I got a lot of practice doing it uh no it's not at all um wow you guys are really hung up on that intervention okay but in truth you have to be aware of individuals and their characteristics and their wants and needs and the way they approach the world of world viewpoints and we'll be talking about that here in a bit okay so now we're on project management and in the concept of project management we have to look at project okay so project is a temporary job now by the way uh in the chat there for those people that are that are one of the reasons I decided to do this is because we've got this big project that we're working on um called uh project moon base and it involves a lot of moving parts as well and we're learning as we go along so so it reminded me of all these different theories and methods and such like that for doing projects and about people and team development and all the rest okay so let's take a look at some definitions here is a project is a temporary job that produces something like that on the left I mean on the right for example if it's a coup it's the overthrow of the government that may not be a product of service but that's a result or it could be a product like a spaceship or a service like um helping something okay which are in the lingo they're called deliverables because you deliver one of those and then in theory because it's a temporary thing it has a start date and end date and it's performed by a team now one of the things here I'm not going to do this for all of them but in our project moon base one of the things that's different and here again if you find something different please put it in the chat but it is in theory a temporary job but one of the things we don't have is we have a start date but we don't have an end date in other words we're going to continue working on it until we get tired or achieve something and so it's a little different in that regard now when they when we say management and I'm trying to put these into verbs is manage is um wow I'm glad all the chats going on okay is what you're trying to do is complete this project per the client's objectives in other words typically you're doing it for a client you're doing it for somebody they may not be even able to express all the requirements um which we call requirements creep in software development but in the moon base project we don't have a client so it's a little different in fact that's kind of why we're wrestling with the objectives because we kind of have to make it up for ourselves the project is for us at given constraints in the case of the constraints we're not trying to make a base on um you know mars right now we're talking about the moon we don't have a time limit per se we don't have a budget at all because that's in second life which is part of the advantage but we do have a staff so here again those are the types of things that I'm trying to consider okay so in project management you have the concept of a leader versus a manager by the way what I'm doing is first of all I'm doing multi-disciplinary presentation and I'm giving you several semesters of stuff all at once so if it's kind of overwhelming or whatever or if you've seen it before or you can contribute or you're an expert let me know okay so what's a leader versus a manager well a leader is more people oriented the leader the job of the leaders influence to motivate to enable whereas a manager's a manager's job is to go okay uh I know what I need to do so it's more goal oriented and the manager then controls uh they may still be a leader as in helping people and motivating them and stuff but the idea is to get the goal accomplished it's to control the process the work uh the people that are doing it that's kind of the difference there when we say model because I'm going to be showing model second life is a model for first life uh it's kind of it's you know a simplistic depiction it doesn't have quite the detail in fact the resolution is what one centimeter right as far as uh detail goes um it can create some it's it's a model for our minds and the way we envision first life and also things that can't occur in first life so you can see it as a model that way but in case it describes a reality or even unreality that's in our map mine I'm reading map okay so but a model can be used for instruction for software for writing a book cooking a meal almost any type of thing the things I'm talking about can be used for a lot of those things okay so where did we get project management well not that long ago if you think of the pyramids if you think of uh bridges uh a lot of that was actually managed or micro managed and you want to think that uh by the people themselves the sculptor the painter architect building engineers it wasn't until the 1900s where you started having some uh bigger projects that required a little more of a systematic way of doing it particularly larger projects in in the united states in the 30s during the depression stuff and then in the 50s after war two when we were real rebuilding the world we meaning everybody um and you had people like gantt come along and then there wasn't anybody named perk but perk means process evaluation review technique cpm means critical path method these came from both civil and from military approaches uh but they're still used today to be able to map out of how it is okay now a lot of this has been words on screens i'm going to try except for the first part i'm going to try to do a bit more visualization here okay so here we go is that uh anybody know what kind this is of course you do it says it in the lower left hand corner right i should have left that out and yeah okay yep gantt okay and taylor absolutely there are a lot of people that uh had a role to play in these now on here the emphasis on this is a gantt chart the emphasis on this anyway okay here's a question that i don't have an answer up there anybody know what the wbs is for this the next slide okay for you um people that have been in big projects if i possibly know what wbs stands for okay so anyway um what you have here is uh the activities and on a gantt chart what they're looking at is well that's a good point tagline and there's a lot of 1950s a big break and a lot of stuff so it's 1970 there's certain time periods that a lot happened during those time periods um big collaborative projects absolutely okay so what you're looking at here is activities that can be concurrent that is you could have several teams working on different ones at the same time so for example for the actual real return to the moon you've got space x working on the starship which a modified version will be used as the lunar lander you've got a space station that's going to be put up around the moon called the lunar gateway and then you've got the european space agency and nasa working together to get the astronauts to the moon so those are three separate efforts that in other words can be worked on concurrently whereas if you go on the x-axis there you've got the dependency yes it does it's and more than breaks it down now you're right linear the next one will be a little bit different than linear um but if you look at these you've got you can see their dependence in other words that wbs 1.2 has to be completed before you can do anything else and so that's dependent on that so if you're a manager or a leader you're looking at that carefully to see if it's done okay i gotta keep moving because i've got a lot to go through okay uh dns uh means work breakdown schedule there's also a process breakdown schedule but in this case if you're going to be on an airplane well and that's the problem sometimes a day is a lot of people want to just get out and build something but if you're going to build something that actually has a lot of time money risk all of that involved you can't shortcut it you've got to do the planning and you've got to put it into work in order to avoid it because that's where all these models came from was wasting millions of dollars in years by kind of skipping some parts and peter jerk is a good one to read okay so anyway if you're going to be on an airplane then it's broken down into these different levels you got the the the 1.0 2.0 3.0 etc up at the top and then you've got broken down activities okay now here's another type of chart that's a little different although you can actually turn these charts into each other i'll show you here in a second how that works is the per chart then defines the workflow you don't see the sequential you see a sequential left to right but you don't see the time like you saw in the last one what says at this point here this point there this point that but you do see the milestones for so for example in the in the uh Gantt chart you had uh WBS 1.0 in this case it's 10 20 30 40 these are milestones okay in chat anyone want to fill in what a milestone means in in work in in project management while i'm so anyway these define workflows and then if you want to get a little bit more specific about what objects you're working from in other words when you say airplane starship uh or yeah work back down structure um okay so if you want to get a little more specific then there are a lot of other little tools all software these days is little tools one called an entity relationship diagram so for example you can have an example of a student to a teacher or a student and then you've got a school in there and you've got books and you've got the bookstore and you got you know all of those sorts of things are all entities that are then related to each other and so you can get down into the weeds which you need to do if you're doing software and other things on here now let's take a look at how this can be turned into a Gantt chart essentially if you look at it you've got in order to get from there could be two concurrent things that are 20 and 30 work down the same time one take three months one take four months so you can see on that chart that there's about three pathways that you can follow and one of them takes three months and then another three months now you'll notice that uh how long does this whole thing take well it takes seven months and there are two actual critical paths which we'll see in a moment but one of them if you go straight from 10 to 30 to 50 you'll notice that before you 50 is going to take to get to 50 it takes seven months but uh from 30 to 50 only takes three months so you actually have what's called slack time now if you're a manager what that what you do is you take the people there if they have the skills or whatever and you put them over in one of the other teams so that they can make sure that uh that that gets done I mean there's a lot of different ways to work on this you like I said I could talk for semester's because uh okay and there's the critical paths right there because it's very complicated and I'm like I said I'm throwing a lot at you in a short period of time but I want you to get a feel for this okay not master it but get a feel for this stuff okay so how does the focus affect the outcome well projects since they're temporary often lead into other projects so you've got the project and you've got an output and that output then can well you're right Sumo and that's why the individual needs to be looked at who do you have on your team that can then both for their sake and the team's sake who do you have that then can contribute in the area where they're gifted absolutely that's part of a good manager or even leadership um okay so in here you'll notice that if there's a project and it has an output leading into another project then there's a lot of different ways that well and and I'm going to talk a little bit about personality here in a minute too because I remember I've got three things to talk about project management it's 25 after right now uh person uh excuse me team development and individual type traits and then also working online some of the peculiarities okay so in this one if you're looking more towards saving time and waste and all that or getting a good uh return on your investment then that then you're looking at one thing if you're looking at bottlenecks and making sure that the project is has to be done on time because perhaps the next project needs it at a particular time then you're looking at the critical path or bottlenecks you could also be looking at simply the positive benefits you could be looking at just what comes out you could be looking at the interdependence I mean lots of different ways of of approaching this now this is very busy but in project management we often have these phases which can be called different things depending on whether you're talking about software bridges or whatever but uh they got a lot to them just in the initial phase you're talking about different analyses and how things are going right now and what are you replacing and what what the client requirements and the resources and the resource allocation and the uh strengths and just stakeholders people involved I mean so much involved just in feasibility alone you're talking about do you have the software and stuff and computers or whatever to do uh what about legal issues should we do moral issues uh do we have the knowledge uh what are the benefits costs is economically feasible uh in other words can we uh pay for it over time or do we have to go out there is unscathed I mean so much to think about it overwhelms me just to talk about it so you'll also notice that uh since this began in earnest in the 70s in particular you've got a model over there that is good for bridge and it's good for something that you've done before of the waterfall model by the way if I'm putting you to sleep it'll get more interesting because I'll start telling you about people uh rather than work this is this this is right now I'm focusing on work okay so you got a waterfall model which basically you know you you you these big long contracts you sign it and then uh you'd better like in other words you're not going to be able to add another lane to a bridge once they begin building that kind of stuff whereas in these days in this century you've got more flexible types of models one of these is called the agile agile or scrum model this is pretty new and you'll notice that the waterfall model still works over on the right side of the slide versus in the middle the waterfall model is good for when the details are known or decided and when you don't expect a lot of change and you really can't have it and you've got and you need and you can keep this this team stable during that time so it's more sequential dependent that's it now today though they know well that's doesn't describe the real world too well um it's more like complex projects a lot of unknowns uh prototypes do you like it no I want to change it um working in little sprints like you know during uh a month and then you take time off that sort of thing and then you know that that's kind of how we do it today now that's also our moon project is more like the one on the left not the one on the right okay so let's figure which let's talk then about how that's about work focus so let's talk about it's about half through the hour um so let's then talk about um team developer okay um in Tuckman's theory from 65 and subsequent improvements not improvements but tweaks on that more or less you know everybody wants to write a paper is uh you have different stages and let's talk about uh four different stages one is the forming stage where basically you're getting to know people you're asking questions you're really not very well informed about the issues or the objectives and but you're trying to establish ground rules and uh boundaries for the project I mean and people and their behaviors and all that stuff like that and so in order to get beyond this forming it's kind of a dependent stage where it's task oriented in order to get beyond that you've got to somebody's got to take the lead and to create uh clear expectations uh to identify the goals um to kind of share a mental model to uh create leadership opportunities all that good stuff like that okay okay because what happens is even in good teams except for the ones that know each other one of the advantages we had in our sign circle is a lot of us have known each other for a very long time and so while we could expect to have kind of a storming stage meaning that people voice their opinions they may not be you know the the same ones uh there may be a little resistance or competition uh or emotions might get high because they're really want to get something done uh that sort of thing is that we were able to or are able to um establish group norms and kind of instead of uh and work out priorities and resolve personal clashes and all that good stuff like that so the next one that um teams may face sometimes they never get past the uh storming part it depends on how strong a personality is and whether they're willing to cooperate and stuff and so if you get to this stage a lot of times it's because somebody's taken over as a leader or becomes a leader and then you get some cohesion in it and so you're doing some reconciliation lowering anxiety setting standards taking responsibility for the success of the team accepting members uh for who they are trusting each other to be able to share uh potentially controversial tasks stuff like that getting feedback allowing transfer leadership uh that now by the way I don't have any single reference for this this is a combination of references that I kind of synthesize a lot of this presentation today is a synthesis like I said multidisciplinary um multi approach that sort of thing working from work focus to individual focus okay if you can norm if you can get to some norms within the team then watch out because now you can perform and so in in a in a performing team that's able to get over the um I'm reading tagline sing or shot yeah uh we still have a lot of trouble with that yeah so anyway in the in a team that's able to perform by now they are accepting of each other they understand they're working now towards a common goal it's more of a problem solving time more interdependence uh rather and you're working kind of in sub teams um so you're able to produce the results to get to the goal too and so people want to learn then more about the objectives and the issues and they're more open flexible um they expect a scent and they have norms uh to be able to handle them and so but in order to get there just like on the task management you have to or project management you have to be able to set aside time to plan to engage with the team leads the members um the teams can then perform without direct supervision and but in some cases the whole team then gets back together now bear in mind that it's possible that uh with new members new objectives new conditions that you may go back to some of the earlier phases and have to work through them and the idea here is to then uh celebrate your accomplishments and then decide and problem solve as a team learn from each other from each team okay now like I said the actual origin of this was a Dutch social scientist in Hofstad who was working for IBM and IBM at that time was a multinational corporation but they found that its individuals were very different uh and uh had a wide range of responses so he wanted to understand more about why and so he looked at uh countries now I'll get to that here in just a second um because it's very difficult to go to a country and say yep okay everybody who's Dutch is like this everybody who's Iraqi is like this you know everybody who's South African is like this but he did tend to classify countries by certain characteristics okay and it was a start it's still you know it's still referred to as a start okay the other thing like I said is the stages may be different than just going one stage to another stage to another just like in project management is different okay now take a look up here I thought this was funny this is actually back from early software development uh you can read it but yep okay and tagline if you read it there's a great uh three-part series uh called um uh you can you can find the whole thing on um not revenge of the nerds that's a Hollywood movie but there is a BBC special in the 90s called Triumph of the Nerds where it talks about IBM and their um culture versus say Microsoft or Apple uh and and the different cultures there were essentially yeah oh oh please it's it's marvelous if somebody wants to go there and give uh the link to the first one is that because I could do a whole presentation on how for example the hippie culture led to the technology we have today that'd be easy um and you'll get that in in that um uh YouTube video okay so anyway yeah this that slide will be manifested exactly okay but you get you know this is very funny for anyone that's actually done it but you get the enthusiasm and then the disillusionment and then the confusion and in this case since we don't have in our in our moon base once since we don't have a budget you don't have to necessarily search for the guilty or punish the innocent or whatever but usually it's the people who are non-participants that take credit like the bosses you know so it's I just thought that was fine okay so let's take a look then at the third part of the presentation I'm um 20 minutes left here is well exactly the moment you throw money is a little evil and I don't have to quote any religious source for that just follow the money okay so let's take a look then at individual characteristics one of the things that Hofstra did was he looked at different nations on different dimensions in this case um power distance which meant nations that tended to like if you're a professor versus a student they tended to see the professor as well above them and not answer or ask questions uh let the professor talk um copy the professor's work uh yeah it's taking notes still okay um etc well you know you know I could do I could do a presentation just on note taking in other words the the psychology and stuff of um hearing right processing writing reading again you know remembering uh all of that kind of stuff absolutely okay so um any case the individualism versus collectivism you'll see yeah okay it takes notes okay uh there's such a thing as saying too many notes okay so anyway the individualism versus collectivism look at the difference look at the difference in there you've got in the in the United States it's higher than anywhere in the world uh UK is a little bit below that is um on individualism that's why in the United States there's a lot of people that if you say something like socialism uh it it becomes a dirty word because the idea is you should not be dependent on other people uh you should uh do everything yourself etc that now of course that runs into trouble etc but whatever but you see the vast difference there between say China at 20 and the US at 91 and then in between and so you you just that alone if you've got a group of people from different countries um you have to take that into consideration now here it's not just in some cases individual nations it's part so take a look at this now this is actually from another presentation I did on how do we live and you'll see look at Italy it's a it's a rainbow it goes all the way from uh more of a uh collectivist or in other words social uh thinking of family and and and group first before individual down there in the boot of Italy all the way up to hard individualists up in the uh Poe River Valley um and the same thing with some of those others all the way from the UK very individualist to say uh northern Africa very very different just within one area but it makes a huge difference when you're working with okay then so also in this cultural dimensions you'll see for example power distance that is that if you've got a um Nobel Prize winner and somebody who's interested in whatever they won the Nobel Prize is that they might not even ask questions uh because of the power distance whereas other people go right up and go hey there uh doctors so and so uh I really like your speech on et cetera that kind of stuff uh same thing for uncertainty avoidance if we've got to say at the moon base project where hey the whole thing's uncertainty is a lot of people may be very uncomfortable about that or long term orientation in our moon base project for example we're going like okay this could last years and yet they're it depending on uh like in the United States there uh there may be a thing like okay if it's not done in three minutes like a commercial I'm moving on okay so um these are different individual type of characteristics um that you can that you can find now I also this is from some of my own work that I published but this is using Kelly's uh it's a two-dimensional followership model um extreme moderation um that's like extreme prejudice let's see okay so not everybody can be a leader and so not everybody can be a leader then you have to be a follower well how do you fall there are effective ways to fall and there's a not effective ways to fall if you're passive independent uh in the group that I studied you found that those are people that are more critical of their experience because they're waiting for directions um but they're also dependent on other people to tell them what to do and so other people are busy so they're not you know they don't get stuff done or they don't get what they want because they aren't telling you or you may have the other stream where basically they anticipate the needs and then they do extra tasks and all the way through that whole spectrum that you can read it uh as well as I can on that but um I'm trying to remember what Kelly this was okay so then let's talk about working online we've got 15 minutes um these are my little diagrams some like I said this is the research I did let's talk about school work internships second life science circle um all that stuff well uh you're right there are gone and the the advantages and disadvantages you could you can have something you can have a place as individualistic as the united states but the positive so the negative part of that is everybody's got a gun and if they don't like what you're saying they'll shoot you on the other hand uh they also come up with some very innovative ideas because they're not thinking like the collective culture or and they're able to say well this is what I think you know that sort of thing so there are ways to um yeah thank you christie there are ways to handle all of this advantages and disadvantages so you need to kind of put it together um and and and both acknowledge differences but also be able to work together as a team so let's take a look then at some different ways people work together in school if you've ever been either a student or a teacher which probably is everybody in the room um you've got what is expected as a student and a teacher and then the remote barrier in between is just something you've got a in other words I I'm talking I'll talk more about that in a second but you basically are overcoming this remote this uh barrier but you stood up the student teacher relationship regardless of whether they're co-located or not now same thing with work you've got a different relationship where basically the contract so to speak is work versus school and you have different roles called worker versus supervisor on different expectations and stuff um but then you've got for example you've got some ones which are kind of in between which you've got an academic internship where you've got basically you've got student okay which then moves over to the business if they can be co-located and becomes a intern under the supervisor and if the supervisor knows that this is a student over in the school then they won't treat them like a worker or at least some won't but if you have a virtual internship which is what my work was on it's like okay there's a lot of ambiguity in here they're missing the community in other words the people around the supervisor they're missing what the community looks like and the building and the work and the pace and the everything so there's it has to be a lot more communication in order to get things accomplished in a virtual internship now let's take a look then at science circle is the presentation i'm getting right now except that of course the audience is um a lot more spirited than your typical student and the power distance thing is definitely not here which is good because i like to facilitate i like to facilitate discussions not go hi i'm the teacher and you're the student okay um so you've got these presentations uh yeah really you've got these presentations and you've got the attendee and the presenter and we kind of get through the remote barrier in other words i feel like in the auditorium with the people now i'm facing the slide otherwise i'd be seeing people shoot spit wands or throw paper at me at the back of my hand you know um i don't think people do that anymore do they okay so anyway and then second life is our environment and then you've got uh teams in which case you've got a member and a lead yeah it would be although i don't know that you know we have physics engines so it's possible okay um i'll bet you i could i bet you i could do a spit one shooter with physical objects and a little bit of um uh scripting okay and so any case you've got that and then the science circle you've got members which back in the old days they said oh yeah you know tech is the limit in other words you can only do certain things email you can only do certain things on the phone you can only do certain things on tv uh that sort of thing back in the 70s but uh i don't know if any there's any teachers in the area professors whatever that have used quality matters it basically says i don't care what technology you're using um this is how you interact with the people and get things done so the discovery in my research was kind of to follow up on the quality matters is it doesn't matter what tech you're using it's the users that use that in order to create the team work together etc etc um but the other discovery was hey you know we're all individuals we approach things uh differently yeah penicillin was one happy accident there's quite a few other ones uh plastics i think was another one um right where you had interface between two liquids and it turned out to be really gooey and you picked it up and you know that kind of stuff plastics and then um we also have different expectations so for example if you came to this presentation and was expecting it to be i don't know a discussion um you only partly right because of the chat but if you knew in advance it would be like it is uh then great okay um that sort of thing okay so anyway um in summary then i attend this hey good so uh in summary then if you look at the whole thing compared to our group and teams the science circle is a group with a common interest our mission says that we uh our fist we want to facilitate open education in the sciences okay um the moon-based project then is a collaboration of individuals from that group and others that are working together as a team towards a common goal so it's not just participating like in here but it's working toward a common goal whatever that common goal is um so now there's three there's several ways then to approach it a project management then requires understanding whatever requirements there are as they evolve so for example in our moon base we're going okay well um we need to let everybody know about it okay so actually we did that we had a very good panel you can find that one on youtube too uh very good um discovery favorites that prepared my absolutely i should have that above my door here uh in in my high school gymnasium it said um luck is when preparedness meets opportunity i could still remember that but it's essentially the same thing um but you so we need to understand the requirements i mean the moon-based thing the requirements are evolving we basically said okay we need to inform everybody of our project so we had some a panel presentation a very good one that you can see on youtube that we did both at this time period and then also for the nine p.m uh second lifetime uh presentation and then we said okay we need to have something physical in other words we were talking about but we need to have something physical and so if you'll go over to the display right outside the amphitheater you'll see our first start uh also um siree's here and his team is in scripting and he's got over in his uh prototype area he's got a starship full size too and little moonbuggies and stuff like that which we need to have a link to so that people can go check it out and so there's a physical objects and we need and we're gonna have to do some planning in order to achieve the goal of building a moon base because we want to build it realistically but those are a couple that's the goal is to build a moon base and then you know right now we're doing it in stages where we're going okay how do we get to the moon uh lunar space station and then finally landing on the moon building a base all that stuff so we're trying to do it in stages the same way as in first life because we want to try to make it realistic so team development then can be messy because you're dealing with people you're dealing with individuals but if you have the trust and you're willing to cooperate you can get around those individual differences so that again the team can then work toward a common goal working online successfully then is about working together not about the technology you could be using the phone you could be using uh uh streaming video on youtube you could be using uh second life um somewhere there's music i think between somewhere there's heaven oh hi very cute tagline i'm glad it wasn't an irish limit limerick or a dirty one okay because i was reading it before i got to the end okay so working online then has to do with people working together it's not about the technology that connects them it's about people willing to use that technology to work together so the science circle and the moon base team then acknowledges celebrates the diversity reconciles differences uh that's individual members wow now we actually talked about that uh if you haven't been over to the other thing we're gonna have a tour in june um we're working on there every week the moon base uh well we don't have a moon base yet because we've got a planet but we have a work area in fact we have a couple work areas but we've acknowledged that we need eight different teams okay for you guys that are on the the the project i'm going to try to spell out the teams here i've got five minutes um we've got science and education because that's our um mission of uh of science circle we've got construction and scripting as those go together we've got psychology and ethics and we've got writing and outreach hey i got them yeah okay um partly because of that i could see the build that that we have but we've got all those different teams that all then have to work together and be interdependent on it okay so that's my presentation for today as i said it's kind of interdisciplinary it tackles everything from um models and of uh process of being work focused trying to get um about team development and then finally acknowledging both individuals and the idiosyncrasies of working online moon river la la la la okay well um sumo i don't think it's classified um i'll let me see if i can um in fact i know it isn't uh but essentially it wouldn't work here because uh essentially you've got a kernel in charge and what he says goes but he wants to know that everything everybody knows what they're doing and so you've got different teams that have to work together where essentially you can have somebody that's at a very low rank that gets up and goes okay here's what we do that by the way this is uh here's here's what we're doing here's uh the timing here's who we have to coordinate with people that ask questions they go well what about this have you thought of that uh etc and then the other team gets up and basically does same same sort of thing and the kernel listens and then at the very end the kernel says okay um this is what we're going to do uh here's the changes because of the weather resources or whatever and okay let's go do it and essentially that's the synopsis of how they do it but it's it's superbly done it acknowledges the skill of everybody it tests what they are doing when and with whom um um and then they go out after a common goal basically what the kernel says and they do it yeah well you're right um and a good team will do that they acknowledge the individual for two minutes uh acknowledges the individual it tests for um knowledge competency resources people didn't ask questions there's no judgment it's all working together because they know very well that their lives could be dependent on it uh they're all comfortable with what the other person says because they know that they know what they're talking about and they have the resources and they everybody gets question to ask um and then there's somebody who says this is what we're going to do and so uh to me that's the best way i've seen to do it uh colleges can't work that well okay after 25 years of um experience teaching in the university uh i haven't seen it work that well in a lot of places okay and tagline as usual has some very interesting stuff so i'm going to quit talking and i'm going to wrap it up and thank you all for coming and i appreciate it


Jeff Silvera here at C3. California I think you guys needed this. John Stotsman's up there and he goes, this is a good state to be in. What do you think of the talent here at C3? Oh wow, it's great. It's the typical, you got kids all over, deep kids. It's like being at the state meet where you know the seven, six, seven, eight place guys are pretty good kids. You see a lot of these kids here that didn't even place at the state meet and talented. You know if they didn't place last year, they're gonna end up placing this year. A lot of these names I recognize, the state qualifiers, it's great. A lot of deep talent, a lot of good kids here. Looking at your guys' situation, five NCAA qualifiers, you got a new head coach, you're the associate head coach, which congratulations on that promotion, that's pretty pretty awesome. But how has it been for you transition wise? Two head coaches in three years, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy to make that transition. What's it been like for you? It's been good. You know, Mike Fendoza was great to work with. Easy going, put out what he expected from you and Annie's pretty much the same way. He says this is what I need, this is what I expect, lays out the plans, you execute it, get it done. With him and Sean Boyle who came on, three of us working really well together. We had a little some rough patches this season, some injuries but we got through it. We had five NCAA qualifiers. Next year we want guys to vote in. We don't have guys on the voting next year. It's going to be disappointing no matter how many guys we qualify. Looking at what you guys have done, it's been, it's a lot of fundraising, because you've had to match other sports and do all this other crazy stuff. The sport of wrestling to me looks like it's growing around here in the state of California. And then I look at the college level, you did just add a program with Fresno, but what's it take for you guys to succeed and build more programs out here in the West than in California? Well here in the West it's been a struggle at times. CalBats is coming to D1 which will be great. We're still surviving and thriving. We have to fundraise our budget. It's about $250,000 a year. That's everything from salaries, to recruiting, to shoes, shoes, yeah just everything. What? It's whatever, yeah right? The school's helping out where they can and it's been a good improvement and we're hoping they can continue to help us out and help pay out some kind of state funding from them. Our AD is great.  She's on the NCAA Championship Committee now. So things are moving in the right direction. We're excited. We've got our Manny's excited. I'm excited. Things are moving the right way and we're just hoping that we get to that point where we don't have to fundraise everything. We're just a little bit more focused on the kids and the children. We're in need to move. And look at this event, the C3, the college compound, the compound, compound college, and you know, what did you expect coming into the event? What were you looking for? What did you expect? This is my first time at this thing so I didn't really know what to expect but it's awesome. Cliff does a great job of putting this together, getting good quality kids to come out. I mean there's state places, there's two kids that were in the top three, there's a state runner up here, a kid that was third, a lot of state qualifiers. Talent here is something that kind of pulled me away. I mean I know we have a deep state but to get these kids to come out the 4th to July holiday week and it's great. It's a great job of putting the sign and having coaches from all over the country here. Is that about your expectation? Oh yeah, it's great. I'll be back here again if he brings it back. It's got to be wonderful. Would you guys, you know, it comes back here, is it something where you guys could actually travel to another one or another state too if you'd like to guy at one of them? Oh yeah, I mean that's something that's solely possible. I mean I know there's talent all along the West Coast here. I mean Oregon has good kids, Washington, down in Arizona that the high school level talent is growing. It's just not, you know, some people just think it's just California but places are getting better and as long as college programs keep growing, it's gonna be more kids will get better. Trickles down, all trickles down What's next for you? Fargo? You know what, I won't be in Fargo. I think Coach Barrow might be going. We have summer camps at our place and then just train with the kids. We have great commitment from our team. Everyone's there training, working out and we're getting ready to go for the season. Coach, you got a long drive back. You got anything else for me? I'm headed to the beach right now.   Hey, thanks for the time safe travels coach and go Roadrunners.


I'm down at Baymouth Harbour and today I'm fishing for mullet, thick-lipped mullet, using bread and a waggler, about 8lb mainline on the reel, just a normal commercial 13ft float rod. Two SSG float, a couple of number sixes, about 8 inches apart, 6 inches apart probably, to a size 10 barbed hook, and I think I can see Paul behind me so I'll go over and say hello. Hi Sam. How are you? Are you good you? You had any? What's your favourite round of bread to use as a hook bait? For hook bait I'll use a slightly more expensive bread, but then ground bait just used the cheapest of the cheap because it's got more fat in it, so it's got more oil in it. So that's a neep today? It's the neepest of neeps, yeah. Have you plumbed it? Yeah. Are you on bottom? My mullet had off. Eight inches? My mullet had off. Or off the bottom? Yeah. Oh really? I've yet to actually catch a proper thick-lipped mullet. I came here a year ago to try and change all that. Eventually did hook one and it smashed me to pieces, so my confidence is about zero and I'll be pleased with any size of fish. We've both had a bite which caught me off guard, completely missed it. I was just asking Sam what his bite ratio is. He says on some days it can be two to one, on other days it can be 30 to one. So I still don't feel very confident just fishing down there at six and a half foot deep.  I think we've harboured mullet fishing. It's a case of hook them first and then worry about it afterwards. Yeah, worry about it when you've got one on. Is your landing net long enough for that drop? Because that's a hell of a drop. With the two of us, yeah, because I can probably lean over. You've got a slider on then. I can't believe how much shot you've got down by the hook as well. What's that all about? We've found that having shot up, you weren't registering in the clear water we could see the fish taking the bread and the float wasn't moving. That's far away from me. Normally it's half that again. Really? You just strike everything? Everything. What's your biggest mullet from the harbour? 7-2. 7-2. Have you seen fewer off them each year? Size, yeah. Not quantity, but I've always got an actual bait. I missed that bite. So you catch them at any state of the tide? Yeah, whenever I can get in I just fish it, yeah. Is it better in mornings and evenings? Probably. But it also depends on the tide. I like a meek because then you've got water all tide. I think on a really hot day they're a bit sunbathing but they still will feed. You used to feed the fish for the gardens out towards the pier and that was good fun. But I just love watching the float, I love it. How much hook point do you like to have showing? That's as little as possible. All right, so the fish are feeding. Showing. Sam's just spotted a nice fish and they're all thick lips. I'm glad he's here because I'm not very good at telling the difference still. Any of those thicks? Some days when I'm fishing I get past it so much. According to the date? No. It's a cone fish. Yeah, I'm in, Sam. That's a crab. It's a beauty. I was going to give up on it fishing because I'm still doing all day without getting any hook ups. I hooked one. That's not how I do it. They're nice when I can see them. I'm happy myself. I must not lose money. Must be filming this. What's funny, Will, is that I said... Where is the... Did anyone know where the live webcam came from? No idea, sorry mate. No? Latest Phillips? There's a big live webcam thing that shows way more sun out. No idea. And my mate's watching it from London. Cool. No, I'm milking it then. It's not huge, but... It's bigger than you think, mate. I'll tell you that. Much bigger than I've ever caught before. Nice fish. Oh, no. No, but we can't do that, mate. What's that? He's like, you know, sir. What's funny is I said, have you ever hooked a fish whilst leaving the mod leaving against the railing? I hit it as it's leaving against the railing. Right, Charlie, I'm not going to stab for it or anything. I'm not going to rush it. I can't scoop it like an ice cream. Scoop it like a sand picture. I think it's thin. I'm walking towards me. Hey? Walk him towards me. Yeah, I've got it. Right. He's in. Yes! Nice one, Charlie. I'm well made up for you. That is cool. It's a cracker, mate. He's absolutely amazing, mate. Absolutely amazing, haven't you? There you go. I don't bring any weighing scales. I'd easily say 3124. What do you reckon, bowls? No, OK. Is it 380? No, bigger than 380. Do you reckon? Man, well done. Cheers, Sam. I should have stayed here. It's been a jump. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that net, bud. I think I would have struggled in mine. Charlie, that's a chunk. Why are you bigger than 380? Sometimes it doesn't matter that way, doesn't it? No. Does it just go down or smash the bowl?  Just was saying to where I was going to give up my net fishing, because I was seemingly cursed. Cheers, Will. Nice to see you, Liam. Cheers, Liam. See you, mate. No one else caught today. Sam had some mis-bites. So, all in all, I'm very lucky to have caught that fish. Will hooked one on the surface and after being told to loosen his drag, ignored the advice from Sam and paid the ultimate price. He bent his hook out. What's that? Camersen hook, wasn't it? Camersen specialist. Camersen 903, yeah. Yeah, bent out straight. Did you feel his drag? No. I mean, it was tight. Was it? Yeah. You missed that, no? No. No.  I said, do you want some slop? I've got some slop. Do you want some more slop? Just get those videos. Mount the fish I've lost from trying to video record. Yeah, let's call it. I reckon it was a big one, yeah. Why are you betting that other one you hooked was big as well?


Come inside, son, and catch your death out there I can only watch the cold leave my inside bed When summer's done, look how far we've come Heavy from the fight, now we're looking down the gun And do you remember the blue skies in the summer Where we'd sit outside and realize the world that we're in And do you remember the cool breeze and the laughter We were kings and queens and kid, we ruled the world back then And now that we're older, it seems we're getting slower So let's sit outside and realize that life, it ain't over So let's sit outside and realize that life, it ain't over And behind the monster, it's better not to see Cause I never thought it meant so much to be seventeen This did you not see it in my face I asked, did you not feel it deep within your veins And do you remember the blue skies in the summer Where we'd sit outside and realize the world that we're in And do you remember the cool breeze and the laughter We were kings and queens and kid, we ruled the world back then And now that we're older, it seems we're getting slower So let's sit outside and realize that life, it ain't over So let's sit outside and realize that life, it ain't over And behind the monster, it's better not to see Cause I never thought it meant so much to be seventeen This did you not see it in my face I asked, did you not feel it deep within your veins And did you not see it in my face And do you remember the cool breeze and the laughter We were kings and queens and kid, we ruled the world back then It seems we're getting slower So let's sit outside and realize that life, it ain't over So let's sit outside and realize that life, it ain't over


Okay. Good morning. This is Senate Judiciary Tuesday, March 8th, 2022. And we are meeting hybrid for the first time. Some of us are remote and some of us are in person. At least for the foreseeable future, this is the way we'll operate and hopefully it'll work. So please, those of you who are watching, if we make mistakes or we go blank, let us know. We'll try to fix it. This morning, our first bill is S-4 and we're not taking up the waiting period bill. This is a strike-all amendment to respond to the Governor's veto of S-30. And Eric is going to do a quick walk-through of the bill. I think we're familiar with, excuse me, a quick walk-through of the strike-all. I used to have this here, Payton. A paper bill. Great. How nice. Oh, you have a paper bill? Yeah. Brave New World. Feels great. All right. Eric, if you mind sharing the screen with a quick walk-through. I think we're all familiar with the bill. Yes. Thank you, Senator Sears. And good morning, everyone. This is Eric Fitzpatrick with the Office of Legislative Counsel here to do a quick walk-through, as Senator Sears said, the proposed committee strike-all amendment to S-4. So I will pull up my screen real quick so we can take a look at the language, although as Senator Sears said, it all should seem quite familiar to the committee having dealt with these topics quite a bit in the context of S-30, the previous firearms bill that the committee was looking at earlier in the session. So let me pull up the text. And first thing I want to point out, actually, is something that Senator Sears alluded to. It's just something that you may want to change. It occurred to me. And then, Senator Sears, you mentioned it as well. You'll see this is proposed as a strike-all amendment to S-4. And S-4 was a waiting period bill. So if you look at line 3, the title of S-4 is an act relating to a 48-hour waiting period for firearms transfers. Now, this proposed strike-all amendment does not deal with the waiting period. So it may be that you want to add something to change the title. In other words, it's a strike-all amendment. It's pretty common, as I'm sure the committee knows. You're familiar with it. It would be language potentially at the end of this amendment that would say, and that when so amended, the title of the bill will be changed to an act relating to firearms procedures or something of that nature, which I think was with the title of S-30 once. So just a thought to consider, since if it continues to have this title, an act relating to a 48-hour waiting period, that wouldn't be an accurate reflection of what's actually in the contents of the bill. Agreed. Senator Baruch, did you have a comment on that? Yeah, I was talking with the chair about that before. I think using the title from S-30 makes good sense. Great. That sounds good. That's what, and that's an easy amendment. I'll just tack it on that. Usually that title change language appears at the very end of the amendment, and it's just a line or two similar to what I indicated. So having said that about the title, the substance itself, as Senator Sears said, is very familiar to the committee. This is what you looked at in S-30. The section one has to do with the prohibition of firearms, possession of firearms in hospital buildings. Remember, that section creates a $250 criminal fine. That's in line 13 for this. That's the same as it was in S-30. In fact, this section, there's only stepping back for a moment to mention the big picture. There's only one difference in this amendment as opposed to the language that passed in S-30 and was vetoed by the governor. So there's only one difference, and it's in the provision related to the default proceed, which we'll get to in a moment. But there's no differences in this section. The possession of firearms in hospital buildings language is exactly the same word for word as it was in S-30. And as you mentioned, it's a prohibition with a $250 fine. There's some exceptions, and I'm going to go fairly quickly, Senator Sears, unless you want me to line by line it, but since you've seen it. No, I'm going ahead. Unless any member of the committee, because this is our first meeting hybrid, has a question or the witness has a question, I'm happy to shout it out, because we may not be able to see your hand or whatever. Yes, please do, and I can't see you as well. So feel free to interrupt me anytime. So yeah, the prohibition on firearms possession, standard definitions of fireman hospital, and as I mentioned, it's a $250 criminal fine. We now get to section two, which is the background check provision, and this is the default proceed. Remember, I'm just skipping right down to where the new language is. This is the general requirement, if you recall, that a background check be conducted on someone when a firearm is purchased. Now there's some exceptions in existing law for family members, law enforcement, that sort of thing, but generally speaking, the background check is required and it's conducted by an FFL, a federally licensed firearms dealer. Even for private sales, it's the FFL who conducts the check by calling the or communicating electronically with the national incident criminal background check system. Now remember, what this address is, is the default proceed, and that is sometimes popularly known as the Charleston loophole from a legal perspective. I refer to it as the default proceed. And what that means is that the background check, when it's conducted by the firearms dealer, there's a provision in federal law that permits the background, the firearm to be transferred. If three business days have passed after the background check was initiated by the dealer, and there has not yet been an answer from NICS, from the background check system. So generally speaking, it's required that the NICS background check provide the dealer with a positive result. When I say positive, I mean that the person is not prohibited from possessing a firearm. So they've checked their databases and based on any disqualifying factors that might exist that would prevent the person from legally possessing a firearm, they conclude that none of those disqualifying factors exist. They let the firearms dealer know, and the firearm can be transferred. The transfer can be completed. However, sometimes as the committee remembers, their NICS is unable to make a definitive answer right away. And it takes further investigation on their part to determine whether or not one of these disqualifying factors exists. Under this federal default proceed provision, though, if they can't get an answer within three business days, even if the answer is not provided at all during that time, the dealer can still go ahead and transfer the firearm to the proposed purchaser. Now, the dealer is not required to, but they can. They're permitted to. So S-30, as it passed the legislature, removed that option. So the language in S-30 was that the firearm transfer could not occur, remember, until NICS provided the dealer with a positive result that the person was not prohibited from possessing a firearm. So the three-day default proceed provision wouldn't exist anymore. What would happen would be until NICS let the dealer know that the person was not prohibited. In other words, that the FBI had completed their background check and come to the conclusion that the person could lawfully possess a firearm. Not until that's happened would the transfer be able to proceed. The proposal that you're looking at now in S-4, the strike all amendment to S-4, is different than that. Sorry, was there a question that I didn't quite hear? Nope. Okay, okay. Great. So yeah, so the proposal here is different in that you'll see lines 15 through 17. Essentially, this increases the default proceed time period from three business days to seven business days. So if the way the process would work would be, you'll see that the licensed dealer has to, generally speaking, the transfer can happen until the licensed dealer gets this unique identification number from NICS and that unique identification number means that the person is not prohibited and the transfer can proceed. Eric, I do have a question about the current law would be three business days, is that correct? Exactly. And what is a business day? So a business day is Monday through Friday, is my reading of it. So Saturdays and Sundays would not be included. What if there's a holiday like President's Day? Generally speaking, the 21st of February. Right. Generally speaking, I believe it would be federal holidays in this case. But yes, holidays would also not be counted because they're closed for business days. I don't want to screw, I don't want to mess this up. But just for accuracy purposes, please consider whether or not we should use seven federal business days or some other things so that we don't get into an argument about what is a business day. I can remember doing away with business days and in other judiciary areas. And I believe Senator Benning made a great poem about it and read that on the floor. And I think it's one of those things I'll always remember. And so I only flagged that. I'm not trying to mess this up or do anything like that. I just flagged that as a concern. If I might, Mr. Chair, I think the federal government is using business days and we're just adopting their language. Okay. Yes, that's what I was going to say as well as Senator Baruch. That in the federal statute, it uses that term business days. So I think you'd be consistent in tracking the federal language by using that phrase here. But it's a good point. And I remember that the poem on the Senate floor as well with when the day is a day, Bill. Absolutely. I'm glad I'll be remembered for something. We'll put a little plaque in the Senate Judiciary Committee room, Joe. So yes, that's really it for this section. And this, as I mentioned, this is the only difference between the language that passed the legislature in S30 and the amendment that you see before you now to S4. It's the change from S30 providing that the firearms sale or transaction transfer could not proceed until there was a positive result from next, changing that to here, permitting the transfer to proceed after seven business days if there has not yet been an answer from NICS. So again, it'd be five weekdays as it were Monday through Friday plus business days not being counted. So for example, it could be a Monday through Friday. You don't count Saturday, Sunday, two more business days Monday, Tuesday, the following week. So it would work that way. But after that period of time, after seven business days had elapsed, again, you'll see it's similar to the federal law. Look at sort of line 16 through 17, then the transfer may proceed, doesn't say shall. So it's not required that the transfer be made, but it's permissive. So after that seven business days has expired, then the dealer has the option to complete the transfer. May I ask a question about that? Is it the dealer then that makes the decision about whether to go ahead or not? Yes, it's discretionary with the dealer. Okay. Any other questions about this section? All right, if you could proceed through and the rest of the bill is exactly what we voted on and passed and that's 30. Yes, exactly right, Senator Sears. No changes to the rest. Remember, this section three has to do with the ERPO provision. This is the extreme risk protection order piece that allows health care providers to provide notice to law enforcement officers when the provider believes in good faith that the disclosure of that information is necessary to prevent or lessen serious or imminent threat to the health or safety of a person or the public. Remember, the goal here is to and there's it's quite, quite arguable that this is already permitted under HIPAA, the federal health privacy law. But there was a concern among some health care providers that they would not, they would be prevented and prohibited by HIPAA from notifying a law enforcement officer when someone presented an extreme risk with respect to a firearm. And in order to to address that concern, this language explicitly permits that disclosure to be made. And by tracking the HIPAA language, it makes clear that a health care provider could disclose that and that HIPAA would not be violated. So that's the the purpose and result here. That by the way is S5, which I introduced a couple of years ago and I'm glad to see it a part of this bill. I worked with our local health care emergency room docs on this bill on this particular section and I know that it may be already permissive, but there were great concerns about it. And there was an individual that the Bennington Chief of Police and the emergency room doc got to give up firearms voluntarily, but it could have been a very dangerous situation and this just makes clear. That's right. It just makes it explicit and clear so that they can just make the disclosure without being concerned that they might be violating HIPAA. All right. So moving on, this is a section four is an annual reporting requirement that to do with the ERPO orders, the Extremers Protection Orders requires the court administrator to report to the Judiciary Committees on the number of ERPO petitions that were filed, the number of orders issued, some geographical data relating to the petitions and whether or not the order was renewed or terminated. So it's just some statistics and information about the use of ERPOs for the legislature to consider. Section five, this is the provision related to large capacity ammunition feeding devices. You remember, generally prohibited by the legislature a few years ago. However, there were some exceptions included in that general prohibition on the high capacity magazines and one of those exceptions had to do with these magazines being transported into Vermont for use in organized shooting competitions. But that language sunset it a couple of years back and so this basically just reinstates that option so that it would not be a violation of the general prohibition on high capacity magazines if the magazine is transported into Vermont by a resident of another state for the exclusive purpose abuse in an organized shooting competition. And remember the language added here to clarify that the shooting competition is an organized one. It makes clear that it has to be sponsored by an entity registered with the secretary of state. So that essentially provides some organizational legitimacy to the competition going on. But again, exactly the same as what was passed in S-30. So that going forward it reenacts that exception so that high capacity magazines could be brought in for use in those shooting competitions. Lastly, or I think lastly, as section six emergency relief, these are the RFAs, the emergency relief from abuse order section. And remember it provides that when an emergency relief from abuse order is issued, there's a list of current, this is current law, there's a list of what prohibitions and restrictions on the defendant can be included in the relief from abuse order. And this section adds to that list some division EOC, top of page nine, a relinquishment order so that the defendant who after the court has issued a relief from abuse order directing the defendant to essentially stay away from the plaintiff, not abuse the plaintiff any further and any other conditions that the court imposes will also impose a condition for immediate relinquishment of any firearms that are in the defendant's possession ownership or control and to refrain from acquiring any while the order is in effect. Now remember this order is in effect for 14 days because it's a temporary emergency order and after that the court holds a hearing to determine whether a final order should be issued. At that time the court could, if it does issue the final order, could include a prohibition on possessing firearms for the length of the final order as well. But this emergency order only lasts for 14 days and the prohibition on possessing firearms also only lasts for 14 days in the emergency order. So if the final order is never issued then the emergency order expires and the defendant can possess and acquire firearms after that assuming the final order is not issued. I believe it, Eric, on this section I believe it was the testimony of Judge Zone that some judges do this already and others don't and so the effort here is to have a geographic unity within the judiciary by explicitly saying that they can but it's already being done in several jurisdictions. Is that correct? Yes, that's exactly right. Okay, because I've been had some criticism that we didn't get a lot of testimony on it but I felt that if it's already being done then codifying it is not necessarily changing practice just put it that way. Yeah, I think that's exactly what Judge Zone testified to. Thank you. Are there any other questions? Oh okay, and then you're going to add a section eight or a section... Yep, so language just saying that you have the title. All right, are there any other questions about the draft from members of the committee before we hear from Jay Johnson, Governor's Legal Counsel? All right, Jay, welcome to Senate Judiciary. Should I pull the language? Yeah, could you take it down, Eric? Absolutely, yep. All right, good morning. Thank you. Good morning. Thank you, Senator Sears. And good morning committee members. Thank you for inviting me here today. I guess like everyone else has said, feel free to interrupt but my remarks will be very brief. For the record, I'm Jay Pershing Johnson, Governor Scott's Legal Counsel. I've reviewed this most recent draft of S4 and thank you, Eric, for the walkthrough. Like I said, my remarks are brief. The Governor indicated his willingness to agree to seven business days and he also indicated his willingness to accept the rest of the provisions of S30 as is. So I think that I want to thank you all for this draft, which accepts the Governor's path forward for this compromise. If you have any questions for me, I'm happy to answer them. Anybody have questions for Jay? Thank you very much. Appreciate it. It was brief, yes. I do want to thank you for your work on this. Welcome. In order to transparency, Jay and I had some private discussions about this draft and I feel that it is a compromise, although we would prefer what we passed but this is part of the process here. So I appreciate the Governor's willingness and there are other parts of the bill are extremely important in my opinion. So thank you. Thank you. Other questions for Jay or comments? Thanks, Jay. You're welcome to stick around if you'd like. Okay, thank you. No. Is there a motion? Let's put it that way. Let's start with that. Senator Baruch. Yeah, I thank Jay and the Governor as well. I thought the Governor's position was very straightforward. It wasn't a position that I was initially in line with but after thinking it over and talking it over with the Chair, it seemed like it was best to accept the hand that had been offered and so that's what this draft attempts to do. So with that said, Mr. Chair, I would move that S4 be voted on favorably as amended. I think we first have to vote on the amendment. So the motion is to amend S4 as seen in draft 2.1 with the addition of language that makes clear that the title is changed. And Eric, would that be draft 2.2 or 3.2 or 1 or whatever? Yes, 3.1. Okay, so we'd be voting on draft 3.1. Senator White. Oh, I will say that you know that I didn't that I don't like the hospital part of it even today. I don't like that because I think it's unnecessary but I will be voting for the bill. Thank you. Senator Nicar or Senator Benning, any comments before we vote? I just want to, I guess it's just, it's understood that the on page 9, page 9 and 9 with regard to E, that the order is automatically for 14 days. We don't need to mention that. Is that correct? That's right, Senator Nicar. That's covered elsewhere in that section. It's very clear that it's last for 14 days only. And then I did understand your state that it expires unless it has been reviewed. Exactly. Okay, thank you. So if you're looking for comment, Senator Sears, basically hold my nose and vote for the amendment that I'm still against the bill in total. Nice. All right. Just received a notice. My internet connection is unstable, but I will we're ready to vote. Peggy, could you please call the roll on the amendment? Senator Benning. Yes. Senator Necta. Yes. Senator White. Yes. Senator Baruth. Yes. Senator Sears. Yes. It's unanimous to amend the bill as proposed in draft 3.1. Senator Baruth. And now I would move that the bill be voted out favorably by the committee. Right. Senator Baruth has moved that we vote favorably to recommend to the Senate they approve S4 as amended in draft 3.1. Any further discussion? Well, Senator Sears, I would just like to put on the record why I'll be voting no. It was against the original section on hospital buildings because I do believe that unlawful trespass is something that currently covers the situation. Generally speaking, I don't like to approve additional legislation. I am fine with the compromise that has been made with respect to the waiting period. I am most uncomfortable if you will with the provision. So let me back up a little bit. I remain somewhat perplexed and uncomfortable with a provision that would allow another out of state resident to bring a high capacity magazine into the state while we deny our own citizens the ability to possess the same. And I recognize that this is an attempted compromise, but it leaves me very uncomfortable that remanders will be treated differently than those from out of state. Finally, the most uncomfortable provision for me. I know that Judge Zone told us that some judges are actually doing this anyway, but the idea that due process, and by due process, I mean the ability to have someone who owns a gun in front of a judge making an explanation. That is denied to an individual if we pass this language that enables the court to remove someone's property without that person being given the opportunity at that moment in time to have an explanation that the judge can consider. I think it's a precedent that we are establishing that I fear for the future may be a stepping stone in other cases. And so for all of those reasons, I'm choosing to vote against the bill. I just wanted to be clear on the record as to why that was happening. I appreciate that, Senator Benning, and I totally understand. And frankly, you and I are the same opinion on the magazine ban. It was not something that I ever supported, but it is the law and this does allow those shooting competitions to continue to occur. Regarding the section on the RFAs, I do have concerns, but listening to Judge Zone and also knowing factually that there are the largest number of deaths occurring from firearms in Vermont is suicide. And the second is domestic violence. And so I'm going to err on the side of caution here and support that section of the bill, even though I do share some concerns about the due process, but we know what we know. And just as we tried to follow the science through the COVID situation, I think we need to follow the statistics and the science in terms of what are Vermont's firearm problems. So I had basically, I think, decided to support both of those sections because of that. But I don't disagree about magazines. It is what it is, and it's been approved by the legislature signed by the governor. And it was a bill that had my name on it, which I will never forget when at some point when I leave, they may say, well, you introduced that bill. I'd say I didn't, I might have pushed the wheelbarrow, but I didn't finish it. So any other comments before we vote on the final? All right. Peggy, if you please call the roll. Senator Benning. No. Senator Nita. Yes. Senator White. Yes. Senator Baruth. Yes. Senator Sears. Yes. Senator Baruth, would you be willing to report this? You could probably report from last time and just change a few words. Yeah, it'll be a short report, I'll tell you. Okay. Well, our next scheduled is S163, and that's at 10 a.m., so why don't we take a break until then? Eric, yeah. Just a quick, Peggy, just I'll, I will redraft that with the title change at the end of the bill. And Peggy, I'll send that to either this morning or early this afternoon. After you can put it through editing first though, right? Yeah, but the rest of it has already been edited actually, so it shouldn't take off. Okay. Thanks. Did you have a comment? Oh, no, that was just a wave to say thank you, and I will see you all soon. Thank you.


Greetings my esteemed audience, I'm checking in from the Forest of Tranquility with a follow-up video So in my latest video titled are men worthless until proven otherwise I feel that I believe someone might have misinterpreted my point, so I will make this video as a clarification and hopefully it will be Motivating in a way now my previous video. It was absolutely not meant to Be blackpilling or demoralizing on the contrary. I wanted to make it to To to be motivating actually, so yeah, that was my point at least and I think that my My meaning if you look through the video and actually listen to what I say instead of just looking at the title Then I think I made myself clear, but I will make this video to Be additional eclair, so no one misunderstands my pointer So the title of this video you see no one is coming to save you It's better that you hear this from me now, especially if you are a younger guy especially if you have grown up as most of us have with a very Feminist indoctrination school system you heard that men and women are the same and this is absolutely not True at all and the sooner you understand this the better So I will make a separate video for women It will be called the red pill for women how to find a good man something like that and the main point there will be that you have to Oh, of course enhance your beauty and fertility and health and everything like that, but also Primarily to maintain your virtue. This is a similar topic a different but similar topic about a Society that accepts promiscuity It's doomed to die basically might sound dramatic, but it's true. I might elaborate on it in a different video But anyway for our young woman who you know maintains virtue and beauty and everything like that She can in an optimal scenario. She can expect to be Saved by a prince charming now for a man a young man You can't be expected to you can't expect to be saved by anyone and I will use an example here when I see young white guys being jumped by Numerous non-white guys beating them up because they hate white people Because of a recent emo and everything like that because of anti-white School indoctrination whatever the cause multiculturalism is very much not something that is good And of course we are working metapolitically to ensure that talking points such as large-scale Mass repatriation they come into the mainstream by the way a white will hair They they have already to a certain extent these talking points. So then it's just a matter of transforming it into policy So we don't have to see these videos or news about white girls being raped or white boys being Abused and humiliated and beaten up so on a political level. Hopefully in 20 years. It's gone We have initiated the mass repatriation process so that we don't need to live in this multicultural Gotham City like nightmare anymore But until then until then my dear esteemed younger audience, especially if you still go to a School where you might be a minority You know when I see these videos of a white boy being beaten up It breaks my heart and I think I speak for most older white guys as well that it breaks their hearts as well There isn't really much we can do then and there of course we wish that we Would have been there. I wish I could have been there and stopped this abuse of someone from our own tribe But we can't because we have our own lives full of work and family and everything like that And we're not in school anymore. So such a simple thing So the only thing we can do is we can give some advice and encouragement the only thing I can do I can't be there for you I can't stop this abuse The only thing I can do is to encourage you to put on some size in the gym and to start Training to start learning how to fight. That's the only thing I can do and of course in addition in the long term I can work metapolitically to work for Full regime change so that we can restore our nations to order like they used to be a good safe Homogenous societies that is what we can do in the long run, but here and now the black pill If you view it as a black pill, I don't know But the only thing I can say is that you you cannot expect anyone else to come to save you You need to save yourself and saving yourself meaning putting in the hard work and going to training every day That's the only thing you can do now same thing if we're talking about women if you want a girlfriend or a wife or Whatever it might be where you are at what sort of stage in life.  So all of life. It's a it's a business negotiation. What can you bring to the table? What value do you bring to this business transaction? I'm sorry for sounding extremely unromantic here, but when it comes to matchmaking, that's usually what it is It's a it's a negotiation. What what can you gain from each other in a healthy society? It's of course, you know that you can create a family and you can work as a team that is optimal That's the best scenario, but you must view it in that sense at least that what do I bring to the table? If I want a girlfriend if I want a wife what sort of qualities do I bring to her in exchange for her in a primordial sense her ability to give life to my offspring To use another example we can talk about Employment you might look at a cool company you would like to work for then you also have to ask yourself What sort of qualities do I bring to this company? What value do I bring to this company? So it's a business transaction yet again And then you need to be prepared you need to have you know You need to be the best you can be so you can present okay This is I am very well developed in every way Therefore I can bring value to you or I have this unique talent. I'm a very talented Graphic designer or I'm a very talented Web designer or whatever it might be you need some sort of talent so that someone might actually You know reach out Helping hand to you so you help each other always you can't expect someone to to only help you But you also need to help them in return So that is the the truth of life You need to accept this as a young man and the sooner you accept it the better for you So if you are 17 years old now, and you watch this video, it's very good. It's very good if you can Really take this teaching to heart and understand that as a man you will be judged upon your your competence your value to others what sort of what you can bring to the Negotiation table and hopefully you view this video then as a some motivation for you to set the high pace and Yeah as a man you need to You need to perhaps work a bit harder than females in some ways But females again they have their own struggles, and I'm not saying that it's easier to be a female I'm not saying that it's better to be a man or a woman. It's just two different paths, and you can't listen to these Left-wing radicals who say that men and women are the same because if you do believe that you as a man can play by the same rules as a woman Yeah, you will be in for a rude awakening. So please just listen to me now when I say that Don't listen to these feminists. Don't listen to these egalitarian voices It's good to compensate. It's good to compensate for whatever shortcoming you might have you're not perfect the way you are No one is I'm not perfect the way I am either. This is a realization. I came too many years ago, and I'm Excruciatingly thankful I did because that meant I tried to work on myself to chisel away weaknesses and to enhance my strengths, and now I am in a good position because of that now lastly on a White-peeling note you will notice when you look when you look for advice. You will notice that you have Many older guys such as myself. I do enjoy giving advice to younger guys, and I do enjoy helping out whenever I can So if you start viewing it in that sense if you actively look for good advice from older guys You will notice that yeah, you will get some good pointers and insights it all depends on you actually putting in the work But you can get good guidance at least so that is a white pill that ask for advice if you show talent and promise Yeah, you might expect that Some older guys they can invest some time in you if you show promise that you can actually be of value later But the main point is that as a man you will always be judged on What sort of value you can bring to the table on your competence on your reliability? So you have a lot of hard work to do and that's actually good It's motivating it's liberating and also when you understand that you're not the center of the universe It feels nice to know that it feels nice that you aren't the center of the universe that you are humble servant it might sound strange and it might sound strange for someone like me who's Infamous I suppose in a certain way for being a bit narcissistic for being a bit full of myself, but If I'm being honest, I view myself more as a servant I do what I can to bring value to others and that feels good It makes me happy and it makes me and it makes me feel good about myself So I'm not saying this in some sort of hippie nonsense way that you should Submit yourself to others. I'm saying that do submit yourself to a higher purpose Do view yourself as a servant because that will make you happy.  I'm saying this to motivate you. I'm saying this so you will have a Good life simple stuff really So anyway, thank you for watching. Thank you for your support Do check out all links in the description box below and I will see you in the next video XOXO Boom


What happens when you apologize to the narcissist when you apologize to the narcissist? They don't see you as being upright and upstanding They don't see you as being good or moral It doesn't make them admire or respect you They see your apology as a sign of weakness It causes them to lose more respect for you. It makes them treat you even worse Because when you apologize to the narcissist You're just giving your power away to them and the narcissist will only use that power to abuse you They will only take advantage of it Whenever you give in to the narcissist They might appreciate it initially But then they will begin to treat you even worse They will have even less respect for you Which is why you cannot apologize to the narcissist Even if you did something wrong Stay in your frame Do not make excuses Just be honest about it and then if you want to You can try to make improvements in the future But you don't have to explain yourself Because if you do that You will only be digging yourself a hole You will be making the situation even more difficult Because when you apologize or try to explain yourself to the narcissist They will just see it as a sign of weakness And there's nothing they hate more than what they perceive to be weak people People who don't have a strength of character They may say that it's something they like or prefer But really they hate it Which is why you should never take a narcissist advice Instead You should observe their behavior You should observe their actions You should observe what they do Because anything they say to you Is just a part of the manipulation, which is why you should watch what they do When you apologize They will just see it as a weakness They will just see it as something for them to exploit They might act as though they appreciate it But deep down they will resent you for it Because really They don't care if you're wrong or right They're only looking to see If you will stand your ground or not Because morally Narcissists don't care Narcissists like morals and ethics That's something that only people with empathy will experience And it's not something that could be only reserved for whatever whoever they choose It affects every area of their lives If they have no empathy for you They have no empathy for anyone So morally The narcissist doesn't care if you're wrong or right They just want to see if you will collapse under pressure They want to see if you will give up your position to please them Which is something that you should never do When you are dealing with a narcissist Because it's a trap, but when you stop apologizing to the narcissist They will start to treat you differently They may even have more respect for you Once you stop apologizing to them So many people who are with narcissists Are apologizing even when they're not wrong They apologize just for being alive Because narcissists will brainwash you into doing that If you let them There are enough people apologizing to the narcissist They are the victims in every situation that they encounter So stop apologizing to the narcissist Even if you did something wrong There are other ways to do that other than saying sorry Never apologize to the narcissist Because they will view it as a sign of weakness They will see it as something for them to exploit They will see it as you abandoning your reality In exchange for theirs Which is why you have to stop apologizing to the narcissist You have to stay in your frame And then you will demonstrate strength Then the narcissist will see That they can't pull you into their reality Which means that you will then be able to do that Which means that you will then be able to direct the course of events You will be able to steer the ship So that it goes in the direction that you prefer Rather than in a direction that is unfavorable for you Thank you for watching I hope this video resonate with you Please like, comment, share and subscribe If you would like to donate My PayPal link is in the video description Coach the Inquiries You can email me at coaching at narksviver.uk Thank you for watching and I'll talk to you soon