One of the big turning points in the game for Stewie, you're down 10 in the second quarter and then you go on that 7-0 run. How good is this team at sensing, I guess, pivotal moments in the game, even if they're not in the fourth quarter because all series, you responded facing some deficits early on. I think we just have a good awareness of what we can do and understanding that we're playing against a great team and they're going to make runs. When we were down 10, it was really early. All we needed to do is chip away and then just continue to be aggressive. No matter what throughout this entire game, if we were the ones that stayed together best and strongest, we were going to win like we did and we continue to do that and trust on our teammates and know that everyone has our back in whatever we're doing. For Sandy and JJ right in the middle, JJ, you had that big block right at the end of the second. You guys go in with a one-point lead and then you score seven straight out of it. Sandy, you've talked about mindset all week. How big was it to have that play going into halftime? Yeah, massive. It's like momentum changes. We got down, we had time out, we came out, we responded in the right way. Our word for today, I think if you're here at the start of the game, I said it's relentlessly persistent because that's what game balls require. And this is a team really proud. When you bring all these amazing players together, we work a lot on our culture and I think you could see we're connected. Because when you have connection, you have commitment and these girls are committed to each other and this program and how we want to play. So it was great to watch. Hi, everybody. JJ, in the fourth quarter, when Connecticut went on their runs to get the lead, what do you think helped you guys regain your balance to finish out the game really strong and come up with a win in a really hostile environment? Just like Sandy said, persistence. I don't think any of us felt like we were going to lose the game or that it was out of reach, obviously. So just sticking together, weather in the storm and understanding that we have a lot of weapons in different ways that we can score the ball in and also lock in defensively. Hi, congratulations, everybody. John Quill, back in the first round, you knocked down those two clutch free throws at the end of that second game to send the game to overtime and then today, five of six down the stretch to really give you guys some separation there. That's another level of pressure, especially on the road. So how do you stay locked in in those kind of high intensity moments late in games? Yeah, just like I said before, I just do my free throw routine and go up there and shoot with confidence. And another of my teammates have my back, so I'm confident when I'm up there. Either for Stewie or JJ, you know, now that you guys have come into Brooklyn this first year and you're leading this team to something that somewhere hasn't been in 21 years, what's it like for either one of you? To be honest, I don't think I've fully processed what it feels like to bring this team to a WNBA finals. I think, let me say that again, I processed it in the fact that we're going to the finals because we're going after a championship, but the fact that the Liberty haven't been to a final since 2002 is wild. And to be able to have that and know that we have the entire city behind us is something that is really, really special. Happy that we get back tonight, know that we start on the road, but we still have home games left in Brooklyn. Sandy, you talked about pregame how you're a very process driven coach. You didn't really let yourself think about kind of what could happen and all that, but when that final shot bounced off and you guys won, what was going through your mind? Really? Yeah. Like, you know, we made some mistakes down there, but that's, you know, this is what these games are about, isn't it? It's just staying connected and we made a few errors. They made some big shots. You can never get comfortable. But it was relief, but joy. You know, this has been the most fun I've had coaching these players and just that we're all invested in it together and it's just exciting and proud of them and then we had another opportunity to go to the final. Some of us multiple, some of us for the first time, but this organization hasn't been for such a long time and that's really, really special. So I'm proud of that as well. Steve and Sandy, Steve, you said you embraced the whole super team narrative. Now the matchup that everybody had been looking forward to is going to happen. What does that mean for you? What does it mean for the WNBA in terms of eyes on the game and what does it mean for women's basketball? I mean, I think that it means more for you guys because you guys have been talking about it since the start of the season. So the fact that we just continue to work hard, we continue to understand what it is to represent the liberty and how we can be great together and know that Vegas has obviously had an incredible season and we played them tough many times and it's going to be a great series and I think right now we're going to enjoy this moment of getting to the finals and then when we get back together, we talk about logistics and what we're going to do in our game plan but confident in who we are and what got us to this point and continue to just have one another's backs and be our best. Oh, sorry. The super team. No, I think it's good. I think that's what the narrative everyone wanted at the start. I didn't particularly like the super team thing but these players, we still played great. Because it was a process for us to get to this level now and I think it's going to be a great series and I think it's a promotion for the WNBA, isn't it? It's New York, we haven't done it for so long but we're playing the champions from last year and I think it's going to be a really competitive series and hopefully more and more people turn their eyes into the game and we can continue to grow it. For JJ and Stewie, what have been your emotions I guess over the last 20 minutes? JJ coming at this, returning to the finals with the new team this time after last year, Stewie getting back to the finals for the first time since 2020, can you just take us through what it's been like so far? Yeah, like Stewie said, I feel like I haven't really had a chance to really woo saw but obviously just extremely happy that we're able to say that we know we did this with the New York Liberty and obviously still so much more to go and happy to say that we're still playing but definitely feels different to be on a different team but happy that that is with this team. We'll go over to Zoom, let's do it, sorry. Okay, I remember this question. Yep, let's do two. I think it's excited obviously but not only for myself but for the ones that haven't been to a finals to experience this and we talked as players before the playoffs started about this is like a roller coaster, like if your mental isn't in a great place during the playoffs, it's going to be really difficult for you and that's why we talk about staying together and all of this but these things aren't easy and getting to the finals is not an easy thing so I just want everyone to really enjoy it and embrace it and understand that this is the biggest moment of our entire season now and we want to make sure that this is where at our best. Now we'll go over to Zoom, Michael. Yeah, congratulations to everybody. Coach Prondello, the fact that you guys did play Vegas what four times in August so it's still pretty recent in everybody's memory is that helpful in terms of what the matchup is going to be like you talked a lot about how there was so many adjustments during those matchups and having done that fairly recently how does that help in terms of preparation for what's coming up? Yeah, no, I think it does help. I think that helped us a lot just playing him who was back to back obviously at that one stage and then early in August and late in August and just to try different things out and saw what worked and what didn't work but the chess match begins now. I mean, it's a whole new series. This is the finals, this is a championship. So, yeah, I'm excited. I know Becky will be excited. I know all the players that could be competing will be excited but just really it's going to be a hard fought battle but we're battle tested. So I'm looking forward to that. If I could follow up real quick, you mentioned Coach Hammond, you and Coach Hammond are both former WMA players. So we're going to have a matchup of former players and it strikes me that sort of a mark of growth in the league to have former players both be head coaches for teams in the finals. I wonder if you could just sort of reflect on that. Yeah, look, I think it's great. I think former players get the opportunities to be head coaches in this league that we were a part of. I think that's really special. We've both created our own journey here. I've actually coached Becky when she played. So a little bit of an age on her but she's an amazing coach. But yeah, I think that's, I suppose this is a direction we have eight female coaches this year and it's nothing against the men but I just like that women are getting opportunities former players. Thank you. Ben? Yeah, JJ, just what do you remember a year ago at this time you were the last player to walk off the court of the finals with the son? I guess what do you remember about that moment then and is it crazy to think about all that's kind of happened now and walking off the court to a different tune? I mean, obviously a lot of emotions last year making it to the championship again and falling short. Yeah, I just remember a lot of emotions, obviously, disappointment and all of that. And I think it's a blessing and the beauty of sports to be able to be with this team and be able to be going into the finals and having the opportunity again. And so just going in with the mindset and leave it all on the court and finally get one. And then, Sandy, just for you real quick, I mean, does anything that Vanaja do surprise you at this point or have you just come to expect it? What can you say about her? No, nothing surprises me. B's built like this. I mean, I know it's a little bit of a process early in the season. We're trying to work it out, Harrod, or combine but I think we talk off when we found B getting more integrated into the offense because he's an amazing scorer. We just didn't want to just be the defensive player but we worked it out and then obviously it was JJ after the All-Star break. So once we started clicking, it was fun to watch but B is the ultimate professional. I've loved her growth and her commitment to this team but to continue to get better individually with the work that she puts in day out. But yeah, super proud of her. She was injured last year but it's great to see her back just better than ever. And I think that her potential, she's gonna keep getting better. We'll finish with Sasha. Hey everyone, JJ, how does it feel for you as a Bahamian, probably the most prominent Bahamian female basketball player that we have right now? The country is behind you. How does that feel heading into the finals now having beat your former team?  So yeah, I just always represent the Bahamas. Always feeling proud of what I've been able to accomplish and the people that have supported me along the way. So, trying to go out and get one for the 2.2.


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I am a Titans superfan. Tighten up. I'm a singer-songwriter, currently living in Los Angeles, California. I'm originally from Nashville, Tennessee. I've played music since I was about 13 years old, and that's what got me out to Los Angeles. Probably the first big thing that happened was I was on the soundtrack of a movie called Garden State. It was crazy because that was kind of the first big push in the music industry that I had. And we won a Grammy. Which is just insane. So a lot of the music I've had out there is on shows like Grey's Anatomy and Vampire Diaries. And I always say if someone's dying or making out on TV, my song is probably playing in the background. So you might have heard my song even though you don't know my name. I've been a football fan since I was a little kid. I grew up without a local team. So when the Titans came around, it changed my life. But the problem was, the Titans came to Nashville right when I came to LA. So I've always been away from my favorite team. So I've always been that guy in the Titans gear and the bar and people were kind of always looking at me funny, but like, the Titans. You like the Titans? We're in Los Angeles, California. You're supposed to be a Rams guy. There's something about the way the Titans have grown in the last 20 years that has been absolutely incredible to see and to experience. And I just love not being a fair weather fan. My most recent favorite Titans memory would probably be 2018 when Derek Henry ran for 99 yards and stiff-armed three people. Because that was the moment I realized the modern era of the Titans had begun. Derek Henry, still going, is in bounds. He might go. Over the course of the last 20 years, as Nashville has grown, the Titans have grown. I go to bars years ago and I'd be the one guy in a Titans hat. And then five years later, there'd be like three of us. And then there are 10 of us. And now there's a pretty good collection of Titans fans around Los Angeles. Even on tour, I found a bar in Paris to watch a Titans game.  It was crazy. I was exhausted. And I still found a little group of expats in Paris because the Titans were playing and I can't miss that. When I am in Nashville and I can go to a game and feel the energy of that entire city, I think that's incredible. It keeps me close to home. I think part of the reason I love that team is because I have one foot in Nashville, even though I live far away.  It just feels like there's some special magic to the team. And that combined with the pull towards home, that's what keeps me a Titans fan.


one to Cornerstone Television Network. I'm Pastor Gary Mitrick, and this is such a significant season as we are celebrating the Feast of Pentecost Celebration. And we are blessed and honored to have with us our dear friend, part of our Cornerstone Family Network here, Dr. Pastor Larry Huck. Welcome, my friend. It's great to have you with us again. Oh, Gary, it's so good to be with you guys. I love Cornerstone. I love all you guys that are up there and what you do for the kingdom of God and all your people, all your partners. It's so great to be with you and Cornerstone and all your people. You guys just do such an amazing job for the kingdom of God. Well, thank you. We always enjoy having you because you give us such rich, anointed nuggets about all of the Feast. Of course, we celebrated Passover. And then now we're in the Feast of Pentecost. And in the fall, we will celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. And we want to really get in and have you dig in to that teaching. But let me just take a quick moment because Israel is in the news. It's the headlines every day. And oh, if there's ever a time, we need to be praying for peace in the Middle East. And we need an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Pastor Larry. It is now. You know, absolutely, Pastor Gary. That's, that couldn't be more true.  In ancient Hebrew, there's no word for coincidence. That's why the Lord says, blessed are you who have eyes to see and ears to hear. And so understanding that here we are entering into the Feast of Pentecost. In Hebrew, it's called Shavu'ot. And at the same time that we're entering into a time of great power and great prosperity, at that same time, there's a teaching called the evilt of something, which means what comes first. It means if you understand the first of something, then it fathers or it births all the rest of the blessings that follow. For example, the Ten Commandments. You have to understand the first commandment. God is God before the rest of the commandments work. Put on the armor of God. The first part of the armor, none of it works unless you understand the evilt, the father, the birthing of all the other blessings. The very first blessing, Gary, in the Bible is I will bless those who bless Israel.  And that's always been true, but there's never been a time that the church needs to hear this and understand this. If we have ever needed for God to bless us with a fresh anointing of the Holy Spirit, a fresh anointing of the power of God, of signs and wonders and miracles, a fresh anointing of the prosperity of God, which is released like no other time of the year right now during Pentecost. If we've ever needed this, it's at the same time that Israel needs us to stand with them and be a blessing to Israel. Just think about this. And I know, and I so loved doing this with you guys at Cornerstone, Gary, because you guys are not only receiving an offering that is so important, it's this offering right now opens the windows of heaven. And we'll talk about this, but you're helping us to buy an ambulance, literally an ICU unit on wheels. This is, I think, our seventh or eighth that we bought. And we got contact, it was on the news, and we got contact with our friends over there. The ambulance company is Mugam David Adom, the red star of David. And right now, two of our ambulances are on the Gaza border, not only saving Jewish lives, but actually saving Palestinian lives because a lot of the rockets that they're shooting in are hitting their own people. And so think about the blessing of God that always comes when we understand the first food offering, but also right now as this first food offering is going to literally saving people's lives, blessing the nation of Israel.  This is a great, great, great time for Christians to understand God is getting ready to do, and I mean this with all my heart, Pastor Gary, God is getting ready right now to open the windows of heaven over us as it says in Malachi, as we've never seen before. It's so important, and I so thank you guys for allowing me to teach this during the time of Pentecost. Amen. So you stay tuned because Pastor Larry is gonna be praying with you for Israel and for peace there in the Middle East. And we're also gonna be sharing with you how you can literally be a blessing to Israel at this time. Well, let's go to Leviticus 23 for just a moment. I wanna read verses one and two. It says, And then I love this, Pastor Larry. The Lord says these are my feasts. So often there's been a veil over New Testament Christians that we think these are Old Testament feasts or just Jewish feasts, but the Lord says they're mine. They're my feasts, and Gary, what you said there, we hadn't talked before. I was gonna start with that very teaching because so many people have been blinded. They don't have eyes to see. They don't have ears to hear because we've been taught those are only the Jewish people's feasts or those are Old Testament feasts. Remember when Jesus said, when we give, God will give back to us 30, 60, 100 fold. Yes, yes. Now, everybody knows this, but sometimes we need to remember, why did Jesus say 30, 60, 100 fold? And 100 fold means unlimited. Well, he wasn't just grabbing some numbers and using an illustration. He's talking about the feast of the Lord. We need to remember that Jesus was Jewish, Jesus was a rabbi, and in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, when Jesus is teaching, he's teaching Jews that understand things that many Christians don't understand. He's teaching Jews that understand the Old Testament, understand the Torah. You know, when Jesus says it's written, it's written in scripture, what scripture is he talking about? He's talking about the Old Testament. He's talking about the Torah. Jesus didn't make anything new up. He came when we talk about a new covenant, that word new means a fresh covenant. It's the same covenant promises. We who believe in Jesus are heirs to the promises of Abraham because of Jesus, we have been grafted in. And so when Jesus is talking about 30, 60, 100 fold, he's talking about the fulfillment of the promises of God when we understand what these feasts are. 30 is Passover, 60 is Pentecost, unlimited 100% are unlimited blessing is the Feast of Tabernacles. This is where Jesus got 30, 60, 100 fold. Now, let me say this, and I know most people understand this, Pastor Gary, I know you understand it so well. But in Malachi, if you read the book of Malachi, Malachi was written right after Israel came back from 70 years of Babylonian captivity. They're in captivity. Their enemy has conquered them. And now by a miracle of God, that's what the whole book of Esther's about, by a miracle of God, God releases the Jews out of Babylonian captivity, and now they're back in Jerusalem. That's what the book of Malachi is. If you look at many of your Bibles, we'll say this, but Pastor, it's called the Great Assembly. In Malachi, all the sages, all the prophets, all the great rabbis are meeting together in the Great Assembly in the city of Jerusalem, and they're praying, and they're saying, God, how do we position ourselves? What do we need to do so that our enemy doesn't destroy us anymore? Our enemy doesn't defeat us anymore.  And Malachi, by inspiration of God, speaks up, and he says, return unto me, that word return in Hebrew is the word teshuva. It's a very powerful word. Return unto me, and when you, believers in God, return to me, then I, Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Sittkenu, Jehovah Mekhadesh, Jehovah Shalom, I, the God of everything you need, I will return to you. Now think about that church. They're praying and said, God, the enemy's defeating us. And boy, isn't that kind of looking like it's happening right now in, let's just say, in America. It looks like you look at all the crazy policies that are being passed, all the things that are being released in our country. And we need to be like Israel was coming out of Babylon. Lord, how do we keep the enemy from defeating us as the children of God, as a nation, as the kingdom of God? And God says, and remember he says, I'm the Lord God and I don't change. So the answer that God gave the Israelites in the book of Malachi is the same answer he gives us every single year. God says, return to me. And when you return to me, you, me, you, Gary, everybody watching, when we return to God, God will return to us. So they said, man, that's wonderful, that's awesome. How do we return? And God gives a strange answer because we read the Bible with the minds of a Gentile instead of the minds of a Jew. We can't read the Bible like we're from Dallas, Texas or Pittsburgh. We have to read the Bible from the eyes of a Jewish Jesus, a Jewish Malachi, a Jewish Peter and Paul. That's the only way we can understand it. So when God says, return unto me and I'll return unto you, they said, how do we return? And he says, in your tithe, and we know what a tithe is, but he also says, in your offering. Now, we think an offering is something we give on top of our tithe, but it's much more powerful than that. The offering that the Lord is speaking about is that 30, 60, 100 fold. Three times a year, you come before the Lord and you do not come empty-handed. Now think about what God says when we do this. I will, when you do this, when you come to me on Passover, on Pentecost, on Feast of Tabernacles, when you come to me with these offerings, prove me, if I won't over you, open the windows of heaven. Now, I know most people know this pastor, but let me say this.   We don't need you. We need to remember, and every moment of every day pastor, but we need to remember folks that God says, I'm the one who gives you power in your hands to gain wealth.  And when we forget, it's him who's made America so great. It's him who gives us power in our hands to gain wealth. When we forget that, the windows of heaven begin to close. And so so that we don't forget that, pastor three times a year, God tells us, when you come before the Lord, you do not come empty handed. And when you do this, I will open up for you the windows of heaven. That word window in Hebrew is the word you showed. So this Pentecost, when we bring an offering before God, God opens that window. That window doesn't hover over us. And then someday when we finally obey God, he opens it. That window passes by us. That window is passing over every one of you that are watching right now. That window on God's appointed time. Is there not an appointed time? And we say this all the time. God is God 24 seven. Every moment of every day, Pastor Gary folks, God is God. But the Bible says, call on the Lord while he is near. What does that mean? That during these appointed times, during these Moa Deans, these appointed times on God's calendar, he's the same God, but God is closer to us than any other time of the year. During this time of Pentecost, and I'll read a scripture here, Pastor, during this time folks, during this time of Pentecost, when we bring that offering, the window of heaven opens up. Each one in Passover, there's a different blessing. In Pentecost, there's a different blessing. In Sukkot, our feast of tabernacles, there's a different blessing. Right now, the window of heaven is waiting to open up over every one of us, every one of you, if we'll respond, return to me, it's my move, it's your move, it's our move. And when we return to God with this offering to be a blessing to the kingdom of God and because cornerstone is so, so gracious, be a blessing to the nation of Israel, God opens the window of heaven. And right now, there is a special anointing that God will release. As a matter of fact, Pastor, let me read something here to you. Listen to this. It says in Leviticus 23, we get down to the end. It says, you shall, verse 15, you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath. Now, this is the day after Passover, the day after resurrection of Christ. From the day that you have brought the sheave of wave offering, you shall count seven Sabbaths, that's seven weeks, seven days, time seven, 49, seven Sabbaths shall be completed, count 50 days to the day after the seventh Sabbath, then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord. Now look at verse 17, folks, and you shall bring from your habitations two wave loaves of two tents of an ephah and they shall be a fine flower and they shall be baked with leaven. They are the first fruits of the Lord. Now, so Pastor, even though we're celebrating Pentecost 50 days after resurrection Sunday and Good Friday, they were literally celebrating it for what? Like 1500 years in the Old Testament. Well put, well put, Pastor. When we teach this on our television program there in Cornerstone, Tiz always brings up, my wife always brings up. She said, I thought Pentecost started in Acts chapter one and Acts chapter two, when the day of Pentecost had fully come. But they were all, all the Jews were at the temple when the Holy Spirit fell. Why were they at the temple? They were bringing their first fruit offering absolutely as the scripture says. In English, we call it Pentecost. In the church world, we call it Pentecost, which is the 50th day. That's where we get the word. In Hebrew, they call it Shavu'ol, which means the feast of weeks, seven weeks plus one. And on Shavu'ol on the seventh week, God met with Moses and gave the Jewish people and thus the world the 10 commandments and the Bible. On that day that God met Moses and we know the tablets and he wrote down the 10 commandments and he gave the Torah to the world on that same exact day, on that same exact day, 50 days after Israel left the bondage of Egypt, 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus, the same exact day the Holy Spirit fell, God says, on that day, I want you to bring, and it's so important that we catch this. He said, I want you to bring how many loaves? Not one, but two loaves. There's a very, very powerful revelation in why God says two loaves. Number one, the two loaves represent the birth of Judaism and the birth of Christianity. But also when God opens the window of heaven, when you bring your offering to cornerstone on this high holiday, God opens the window of heaven that you showed, the funnel from the throne of God, the power of God, the return of God's anointing to your life, and he releases two gifts. He releases the anointing for power, signs and wonders and miracles. And do we still believe in miracles? Gary, you know that three years, almost three years ago, my grandson was diagnosed with incurable leukemia at seven months. We're going through that, and then they diagnosed his with my wife with ovarian cancer. We sat in the office and said, maybe three months you have. We have a new medicine, we can maybe get you three months, maybe a little bit more. Here we are, two and a half, three years later, my grandson is totally cancer-free, healthy as can be. Tiz is totally cancer-free, healthy as can be. We need, every one of you, needs the power of the Holy Spirit. The anointing, we need the power of the Holy Spirit back in the church. We need the power of God. When you think about Pentecost, the last thing, remember in book, in the book of Acts chapter one, the disciples came to Jesus pastor and they said, what will be the sign of your coming? Jesus said, that's not important. Don't you leave until you receive the Holy Spirit. Don't you, the last things Jesus said was don't leave. I'm gonna start a series here because in Dallas here pastor, on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the power of the living God, we have got to, you have got to people, get the power of God back in our lives. If the last thing our Lord and Savior says is, don't leave, and he says that to the first church, how much more do we as the last church need the power of God moving in our lives? So the anointing of God for signs and wonders and miracles and the power of God. The other loaf, the other offering is for prosperity. Now God prospers us every time we give, God brings prosperity, but the offering of Pentecost, of Shavu'ol, that offering, the one loaf is for signs and wonders and miracles, the power of God. The second loaf is that God reminds us, it is him who gives us power in our hands to gain wealth. We need to return at every Christian, every American, every person in the world needs to return to the fact and the understanding that it is God who gives us power in our hands. When Jesus shed his blood seven different times, seven different times, one of those was he shed his blood in his hand because he said everything you put your hands to, I will cause it to prosper. We need, I think pastor, I think American, I'm speaking mainly to Americans now, but this is true all over the world. I think Americans have received, I hope we've received a wake up call the same way Israel did in the book of Malachi. I think we got so prosperous and we got so full of ourselves in some ways that we forgot that it is God who is Jehovah Jireh, our provider, and this offering brings us back to that understanding, just like the prophet in Malachi. God says, return to me and I will return to you. They had forgotten that it was God who gave them power to get wealth and I'm prophesying on everyone, there's gonna be a great awakening. I'm telling you this by the spirit of God, for everybody who has eyes to see and ears to hear and everybody who returns to this offering of all, there's gonna be a awakening starting this week. There's an awakening of the power and the anointing and the presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives, in our homes, in our families, in our churches, and there is an end time release. Remember the Bible says that one of the signs of the coming of the Messiah is the wealth of the wicked will be put in the hands of the righteous. And the word righteous means those who are holy, but it also means those who are doing good deeds. Don't worry about what you're gonna eat, where you're gonna wear, what you're gonna wear, where you're gonna sleep, but seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, that word righteous, their pastor, in that case means to seek acts of kindness. And that's why I love partnering with Cornerstone and all your people, pastor, because you are always looking for a way to be a blessing to Israel. Folks, this is a double blessing that's coming on this offering during the time of shovel oath and during the time of Pentecost. Don't miss the open windows of heaven. It's happening right now, and God wants it to happen for every one of you. Oh, are you hearing that? This is a time for the double portion blessing to fall. I believe that word returned to me is a now word for America and for the church. And when we think that the last words, which are usually the last thing you say to someone before you leave them, are usually the most important.  You say the most important thing last. Well, the last words before the Lord ascended into heaven was receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit. And we're gonna give you an opportunity. I wanna go to Deuteronomy 16 and read verses 16 and 17 real quick for you. And because this is what Pastor Larry's been saying, three times in a year, all the males show appear before the Lord your God in the place which he chooses at the Feast of Unleavened Bread. That was at Passover. We celebrated that during the Holy Week. And then at the Feast of Weeks, they call this Pentecost the Feast of Weeks because it's seven weeks after Passover and Resurrection Sunday. And then in the fall, the Feast of Tabernacles. It says, and they shall not appear before the Lord empty-handed. Every man shall give as he is able according to the blessing of the Lord your God, which he has given you. And we're gonna put the phone number up on the screen,<PHONE_NUMBER>. If you desire and wanna get in on this Feast of Pentecost Celebration Offering for your best gift of any amount, we have this anointing oil. It's frankincense and myrrh anointing oil from the Holy Land that we would like to give to you as our thank you for sowing your Pentecost, offering your very best gift. And then of course, Penta means five or 50, 50 days after Passover, for those of you, everyone can't do this, but for those of you that can sow a gift of $500 or more one time, you can put it on your credit or debit card, or if you'd like, you could do $50 a month. 50 is the number of Jubilee. God wants us out of debt. He wants to prosper us. $50 a month for 10 months, you will not only receive the frankincense and myrrh oil from the Holy Land, but Pastor Larry's ministry, he's put out a powerful teaching, both on CD and DVD called Pentecost, the power to prosper. And Pastor Larry, I love that double portion that God wants to not only pour out his spirit upon us, but he also wants us to prosper as well if we will return to him while this window in heaven is open with our Pentecost celebration gift. You know, Pastor Gary, that's absolutely right. And I think a lot of times, and folks, I'm just gonna teach this to you right now because I feel very strong. We have no problem with wanting the anointing of God, the power of God, lay hands on the sick, the gifts of the spirit, the fruit of the spirit, we've got no problem because that is, we know that is the will of God, but you have to understand it is also the will of God to prosper you. When you think about Israel leaving Egypt and when you hear what I'm about to tell you, when you think about Israel leaving Egypt, they left number one because of the power of God. We know the 10 plagues, we know everything that God did and then Pharaoh let him go. But what we need to remember is that that is a shadow of things to come. We're on the way to our promised land as children of God. When Israel was leaving Egypt, God speaks to Moses. Ancient Jewish wisdom tells us, God speaks to Moses and tells them. Now listen to this with your heart. God tells them, God says to Moses, beg my children, do not leave without the silver and the gold. Now we've all heard the prophecy of the end time transfer of wealth, the wealth of the wicked being put in the hands of the righteous. We have a shadow of that. We have the first example of that. When the Israelites who were slaves, they were slaves in Egypt when they left Egypt. And by the way, and you'll understand this in a minute, the word Egypt, the name Egypt means limits or boundaries. When they left Egypt, they didn't leave as slaves. They left with all the wealth and all the silver and all the gold. This is God's will every time. Pastor, I know you know this, but folks listen to me. We're all waiting for the end time outpouring of the spirit. I believe it's here right now. I believe the pandemic. I believe the economic crisis. I believe everything that everybody's gone through the last two years is a wake up call to the church of God saying, return to me. Come back to me. And I will return to you. And I will, you talk about making America great again. America be great again when the power of God and the blessing of God and the favor of God is on you and every Christian and every Jew. When God had Israel leave Egypt, the Bible literally says they plundered the place. They were slaves. Now listen to this. They were slaves, but as they began their journey, they had all the silver and all the gold and all the flocks given to them. This is the end time transfer of wealth. Now here's a tremendous revelation. Why did God wait 50 days? As Pastor Gary said, Pentecost, why did God wait 50 days until he released the power of God on Moses and the Bible? Why did God wait 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus till he released the Holy Spirit? There's a very powerful reason why 50 days. In ancient Jewish wisdom, it says there are 49 levels of spiritual growth. It teaches us that when the Israelites were in Egypt, they had sunken down to the lowest level. And so they had to wait 50 days. That's why the Bible says count for yourself. No one can do this. You have to prepare yourself for this offering. You have to prepare yourself for the windows of heaven to open up. But to make it simple, they had to go from the slave mentality to the children of God mentality. Now listen to this.  That's happening right now. We need to understand that Washington DC is not our provider, that Wall Street is not our provider, that no man is our provider. It is God who gives you power. It is God who gives you anointing in your hands to gain that wealth. Prosperity and favor from God is not a bad thing. It is a promise of God to every one of us when he during Pentecost opens up this window of heaven. Now give you something else here to think about. When they gave their first offering in Egypt, it was a barley offering. If you read the scripture, it says it very plainly, it was a barley offering. Barley is what the slaves ate. Barley is what the masters gave the slaves. Barley is what they fed the cattle with. In other words, the Egyptian government looked at the children of God with no more value than cattle, but when they get to Pentecost and God said, I'm ready to open up over you the windows of heaven. When they get to Shavuot or Pentecost, they didn't bring a barley offering, a slave offering, an animal offering, a nobody offering. They brought an offering of wheat because they had climbed the ladder from trusting Egypt with a slave mentality of barely getting by, they had gone all the way up until they realized we are the children of God and it is our Father's good pleasure to give to us the kingdom. Listen, the power of God can fall. We can have signs and wonders and miracles, but folks, we have to have the finances into your hands for the power of God. If it wasn't for finances, we wouldn't be on the air. Cornerstone would not be on the air. You would not be watching us right now. But even more than that, what a trick of the devil, what a trick of the devil to teach that prosperity is bad because if all we have is enough to get by, then we're not feeding the widows in the orphans, we're not taking care of the homeless, we're not buying ambulances. ICU units like Cornerstone is helping us do hospitals, bomb shelters. Pastor Gary, we hear at new beginnings, just one of the things we do outside of Israel. We have several orphanages feeding children. We get to feed 50,000 kids every month in Africa. You can't do that if all you're doing is getting by. Let me show something to you real quick here folks. You need to see this. When God created the world, everything he created, he said it is good. It is very good. Why did he create those things? To be a blessing. He created everything to bless our lives. Our God is not a hard taskmaster. Our God is not on a budget. Our God is the God who owns the cattle on a thousand hills. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. The silver and the gold belong to the Lord.  Not just to get by, but to bless your life. Good measure, pressed down, shaking together, overflowing. Everything he created, he said it's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. But watch this. There is nowhere that God says, here's where the mountains are. Here's where the cattle are. Here's where the fish are. But listen to this. Let me show you this in Genesis chapter two. Look at this. Verse 10, it says, now a river went out of Eden to water the garden. And from there it parted and became four river heads. Now, just a side note, all of Eden wasn't a garden. The word Eden means voluptuous living. And so, look at it again. There is a river that went out of Eden to water the garden. The garden was only part of Eden. Verse 11, the name of the first is Peshon. It is the one which encompasses the whole land of Havala where there is gold. And the gold of that land is good. And it says, Billum and Onyx and stone, and it goes on. Ancient Jewish wisdom says, God didn't show us where the cattle were. God didn't show us where the rivers were. God didn't show us where the fish were. The only thing in creation that God gives direction to is where the gold was. He says, number one, the gold is good. Number two, here's where the gold lies. Ancient Jewish wisdom says, when we understand that our God is an awesome God, our God is a generous God. And when we serve God, the way God says to serve it, he will think about this. The Holy Spirit will lead us and guide us and teach us and show us things to come. That is true spiritually, but that is also true financially and business.  When we return to the Lord and we acknowledge him as the one who gives us power to gain wealth, on the day of Pentecost, he will bring an anointing. There is gonna be new signs and wonders and miracles. I have a great friend, Pastor Gary, a believer, a Jewish man in Jerusalem, brilliant man. And when he found out about lying and then he found about his, he called me and he said, Pastor Larry, he said, everyone in the world needs to serve the Lord. But when someone goes through the valley of darkness like this, it's so that when you get on the other side, you can look back and see others coming through that need help and reach out and tell them what a mighty God we serve. Not just because I read it, because we have lived it. We have seen this last two years miracles. I'm not talking lightly, I'm talking miracles. So I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that God wants to release power into your life. Power, they gave my grandson, Pastor Noho, they have never had a child with this kind of leukemia survived. They told us, God put a gene in him that no one in medical history, no child, his age in medical history has ever had. There's nowhere in the world, anyone who has it, why?   Doesn't matter what you need, God's miracle power is there. But I also wanna tell you that it is him who gives you the anointing to gain wealth. Everything the enemy is stolen during this pandemic or any time. For those of us who are understanding that we're coming before the Lord, you're watching once again in ancient Hebrew, there's nowhere for coincidence. You're watching cornerstone because God wants to release the power of God in your life and God wants to release the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom on how to do business, how to gain finances. The power of God and the anointing for finances is what comes through. God's got every moment of every day, but this is the moment of the year in just a short time, that window closes. And Pastor, I'm gonna turn it back to you here, but I want you to folks to understand, think about, when I think about three times a year, we come before the Lord. And if we respond, he opens the window of heaven. I think about blind Bartimaeus. Jesus came walking by. He never went that way again. Never. It was the window of opportunity. And everybody's sitting at the gate with their needs. But Bartimaeus says, who is this? He hears the noise. They said, it's Jesus. And he heard about the miracles that Jesus would do. And he cried out, Jesus, thou son of David have mercy on me. And they said, don't bother him. This is not a good time. Don't bother the rabbi, but he wouldn't be held back. And he cried out the louder. And what does the Bible say? Jesus Christ, Jehovah Jireh, Jehovah Sidkenu, Jehovah Make and Death, Jehovah Shalom, stopped when he grabbed that window of opportunity. And he said, bring him to me. Then he said to blind Bartimaeus, what is it that you need? Listen, I can tell you, if you need a healing of cancer, there's not a greater time to receive the power of God. You need a miracle of sometime in your home, your marriage. Our God is a miracle. God, he is the same yesterday, today, and forever. But also, if you need a financial breakthrough, this is your Moa Dean, Pastor Gary. This is your appointed time. Don't miss it. Don't miss it. If the rapture doesn't take place, this moment will not come around again for one whole year. But I believe those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, you're watching Cornerstone. God wants you to be a part of this great, great, great blessing when we understand. You know what? It's not the truth that sets us free. It's the truth that we know. It's the truth we understand. That's why I love Cornerstone, allowing us to teach this because this truth in every area will release the power of God into your life. Oh, this is so, so good. That window of Pentecost is over us right now. And for all of you, for your very best gift, pray about what the Lord would have you to do. We will send you this frankincense and myrrh oil from the Holy Land as our gift to you. You can anoint people in your home to be healed. You can anoint your mailbox and your checkbook. You can anoint your car and your home and just use it to just allow the power of the Lord to be released into your life. And for all of you, everyone can't do this, but if you are able to give a gift of $500 or more, one time you could put it on your credit or your debit card or if you do $50 a month for 10 months. Remember, 50 is the number for Pentecost, 500. That number for Pentecost, we will send you Dr. Larry's teaching on Pentecost, the power to prosper. It's in both CD and DVD format. For your gift of $500 or more, maybe some of you could do $1,000 or $5,000. We want you to go to your phone,<PHONE_NUMBER>. For your best gift, we will send you the frankincense and myrrh anointing oil for your gift of $500 or more, the CD and DVD on Pentecost, the power to prosper along with the oil. And then remember, and this is so, so important with all the bombings, all the turmoil, all the unrest in Israel and in the Middle East, we are taking the tithe, the 10th off of every gift. And we are tithing to help purchase ICU ambulance projects. These are not just regular ambulances. This is like an ICU on wills. And Pastor Larry shared that they've got video that with the bombings going on, some of these bombs from Palestine, they're bombing their own people. And these ambulances are not only helping the Jewish, the Israeli people, but they are also helping the people in Palestine. A lot of innocent children, innocent people are being hurt and being affected by this.  Pastor Larry, we have had a number of our partners, they've sent in prayer requests for Pentecost, and we would just like for you in the moments we have left to just pray a blessing over all of our viewers, over everyone that will be sowing that Pentecost seed for that limitation to be broken off and for prosperity and an outpouring of the Holy Spirit to come. And then if you could just even pray over the anointing oil that as people get it in their hands as a point of contact, it will release the power of God into our lives. Would you pray, sir? Amen. Yes, absolutely. And let me just say to everybody watching right now, the last three years in my family have been the greatest battle that we have ever faced as Christians, but we've seen the greatest victories we've ever faced as Christians. They gave my grandson no hope, he's totally healed. They gave my wife, Tiz, my best friend in the world, no hope, and she's totally healed. I wouldn't want anyone to go through that, but I'm thank God we went through it so I can say to you right now, I can tell you beyond a shout over doubt whatever prayer request you sent in or you have right now, God wants to do something for you that no one has ever seen before. Let me say it again. Lyon has a gene, they came and said, he has this gene in him that's not found anywhere in medical history in a child his age. And it took him from zero to 100% healed. That same God wants to do miracles for you, but I also wanna release an anointing on your finances, on your home, your business, your jobs, however you've been affected. Father, right now, we know according to your word that the windows of heaven are opened up. And Father, even as you've spoken to them to respond today, Father respond to them in ways beyond anything that we can imagine.  I release the power of God right now. I bind the devil in every area. I bind the spirit of sickness, the spirit of infirmity. I bind the devil that would come against marriages right now. And I claim healing in bodies and healing in homes. I come against the devil. I bind the devil that would attack our children. And Father, I send the power of God to bring in those of our family that we love and our friends that are lost and bring them in for miracle salvation in their lives in Jesus' name. Father, I pray over this anointing oil that as they take it and folks look at me, take that oil, put it on your children's pillow, take that oil and put it on your checkbook. I'm serious, reach out. God will partner with you in your act of faith. As you reach out and give an offering in faith, reach out and lay hands on your children's pillow, lay hands on your children, lay hands on your home, lay hands on your checkbook, lay hands because God has given you an anointing. And Father, I release a fresh anointing, a fresh refilling of the Holy spirit with the power of God. God, Father, that we praise you in the understanding and we praise you in the spirit. Corrabacito lo mocoria. I don't know all your needs, but the spirit of God knows every one of your needs and he is opening right now. Well, I'm telling you, no, Joe, I feel the power of God right now. Yes, yes. If you're in your home, lift your hands up. I wish I could come and grab you because I feel the power of God in every area, no limit. The power of God and we give, Father, we give you all the praise and we give you all the glory in the name of Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus who is the Messiah. Don't limit what God can do. Don't limit how God can do it and don't limit who God can do it for.  Folks, the windows of heaven, the power of Almighty God is released in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Wow, how rich, how wonderful. There is time for you to call so your very best Pentecostal offering. The number is there<PHONE_NUMBER>. Let me give you our address. If you need wanna mail your gift in, it's Cornerstone Television Network, one Signal Hill Drive. We are at Wall, Pennsylvania 15148-1499. Pastor Larry, thank you, thank you so much for your rich, rich deposit in all of our lives. We love you, we appreciate you, God bless you as we celebrate the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. 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Welcome to this town hall about how to trust technology, particularly in an age of AI. I added that last little bit, but unsurprisingly, AI has been a major focus both here in Davos and in the world generally, and I suspect that will be the case for, well, basically forever. So this town hall is designed to be a forum for discussion and an opportunity for transparency. To that end, the primary driver of the discussion is the audience, so both you here in the room and also online. After initial opening statements from our panelists who I will introduce in a moment, we will open the floor to questions. Those of you in the room, you can simply raise your hand, we'll bring a mic to you, you can ask your question. Those of you online, you can use this app called Slido, which you can access at a link on the website for this session. As a quick introduction to Slido and as a way to sort of ground the discussion, there are two poll questions that you can answer right now. The two are first in the past year, has your trust in technology increased or decreased? And second in the past year, has your trust in organizations in general, not just in tech increased or decreased? We will come back to the results in a bit. Please note that you can also vote on the questions other people submit online to surface the best choices. For now though, let me introduce the panelists who will be answering your questions. Over here on the right, we have Dr. Ayanna Howard, is the Dean of Engineering at The Ohio State University. She holds a faculty appointment in the College's Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, as well as Computer Science and Engineering. Before Ohio State, Dr. Howard was at Georgia Tech, and before that NASA, where she worked on designing advanced technologies for future Mars rover missions. Dr. Howard's research focuses on AI, assistive technologies and robotics, and I think all of those are certainly very pertinent to the broader discussion and the discussion for this panel. Here on my right is Mustafa Suleiman. Mustafa is co-founder and CEO of Inflection AI, an AI-first consumer software company. Before that, he co-founded DeepMind, a leading AI company that was acquired by Google and is integral to sort of Google's AI efforts. As a part of Google, Mustafa was responsible for integrating the company's technology across a wide range of Google's products. Mustafa is also a newly published author of a book called The Coming Wave, published by Crown in the US, September 2023. I think you can all guess what the book is about. So with that, I would like to pass it on to our panelists who give sort of a brief opening statement about the topic in general, about what they're working on, and so Dr. Howard. All right, so he said brief, but you know I'm an academic, so brief is all relative. So when I think about technology and trust, I think about the research that I do. So back in 2011, my research was focused on how do you evaluate trust, human trust, with respect to robotics in high critical, time sensitive scenarios. And so we picked emergency evacuation. And so we had done scenarios where we would have, like this room, and we have people interact and the fire alarms would go off and what would you do? You exit. As you exited, the building would be filled with smoke and there would be a robot that would guide you to the exit. And we intentionally made the robot not go toward an exit. So you could see the exit signs and we would have people go to other places. And what we found out over and over and over again, even when we introduced mistakes, even when the robot had bad behavior, people would follow the robot. And so when we looked at this to say what's going on, we actually found that people actually trust or over-trust technology in that they believe it works most of the time. And when it doesn't, that's when they then swing to the oh, like airplanes should always fly. If they crash, okay, what's going on? It's the developers, it's the companies. We need a ban and make sure that no one ever flies again. And so we have this over-reaction. And so really thinking about technology and trust is how do we deal with the mistakes? Not necessarily with the fact that we under-trust, we tend to over-trust in essence. Yeah, I think this is a critical topic for LLMs because we're still at the very earliest stages of developing these models.  So as an intuitive grasp compared to the past wave of technology, it's very important to separate what we had software do in the past, which was you input some data to a database and then you make a call of that database and you collect pretty much the same information out of that database. Whereas here, of course, with LLMs, you can ask the same question of the model three or four or five times and get a slightly different response. And many people have referred to this as hallucinations. I actually think about it more as creativity. This is one of the strengths of these models that they produce a wide range of different responses that you never anticipated before. And that's exactly the magic that we've always wanted software to produce. The downside is that our past mental model of default trusting technology, as you said, doesn't really apply in this situation. And so I think at this moment, we have to be incredibly critical, skeptical, doubtful, ask tough questions of our technology. And we can talk about the ways to do that today. I think there's two elements that will drive trust in this moment as we develop more consumer-facing applications. The first is, of course, the extent to which models are factual. It's IQ, right? And that's actually something that we can formally measure. So there are lots and lots of benchmarks today that try to evaluate the freshness and the factuality of models. And what we've seen in the last three or four years or so is that there's been a steady and quite predictable increase in the accuracy of the models as they get larger. The second component is the emotional connection that you have with a model. What is its EQ? Like, how fluent and conversational is it? How kind and respectful is it? Does it reflect your values or does it antagonize you? Is it formulaic or is it adaptive? And of course, many of us like to think that we're rational actors that make decisions based on knowledge and facts all the time. But in fact, we largely make decisions using our limbic system. And it's our gut that actually drives a lot of our decision-making. And that's gonna be the same in technology, especially now that LLMs are these dynamic interactive modes. So we have to think very carefully about what values are in the emotional side of the model, who gets to oversee them, how are they programmed, to whom are they transparent and accountable. And those are the kind of skeptical and critical questions that we should be asking of all new consumer technologies. Dr. Howard, I'm actually quite curious. Because you've worked in this field for so long from robotics to AI. And this shift that Mustafa's referring to, going from being deterministic to probabilistic, how has that shifted or changed the way you thought about sort of these questions for both AI and robotics? Yeah, so I actually think around the human aspect. And so I just wanna ask a question. How many of you have used chat GPT or BARD or some equivalent of that? Okay, that's I would say 100%. How many of you have used it in any form of function? Like to actually do a job, do a work, do, okay. It hasn't changed, right? We know that there's mistakes. We know that it's not perfect. We know that lawyers put in briefs that are written by chat GPT and they get slammed by judges because it's incorrect. It really hasn't changed. I think what's changed is that we now understand the risks. We haven't yet figured out how do we address that as a society because it is so useful. It is so valuable. So when it's right, it really does make our work life better. But when it's wrong and we aren't using our human EQ to correct it, we have things that go bad. And my thing is, is like, how do we think about the human EQ aspect and blend that into the tools? I actually think the robots in AI should say, you know what, you've been using me too long. We're done today. I actually believe that. From your perspective, how has this communicated?  You know, in our poll questions, we have the increase or decrease in trust and technology. And I actually asked to add in the also what's your increase and decrease relative to general institutions because it does feel like you're sort of getting at this point of revealed versus stated preferences.  People use it all the time. And to your point, they really do implicitly trust it to a great extent. Is this something that needs to be communicated to people or is it just on technologists to get it to a state where that's okay and it'll be right sufficiently enough at the time? I think both are true, right? So on the one, so we create an AI called Pi which stands for personal intelligence. I'm a big believer that everybody in the world will have their own personal AI in the future and it will become your aid, your chief of staff, your teacher, your support as you navigate through life. And we made a couple of important decisions related to what Yana said. Number one is at every screen, we leave in place a system reminder that you shouldn't trust what the AI says, that you should be skeptical and ask critical questions. It's a small thing, but it's a constant, ever-present reminder. It changes form and structure in UI so hopefully people don't get desensitized to it. The second thing is Pi itself will remind you after a 30-minute interaction that it's been pretty long now. Like, how do you feel about getting back to the real world, right? And it would gently ask you in a very non-judgmental and polite, respectful, kind way to start thinking about the world around you. And the cool thing about it is that instead of just having a system notification, it actually comes from the source of the interaction. So I think both of those things are really important but at the same time, people get fixated on the technical progress that we have at this moment in time and don't really pay attention to the curve that we're on. We're on an unbelievable trajectory. It is truly magical. And even though everyone's played with chat GPT and spent a year now talking about AI, I still feel like we're not fully internalizing what's actually happening. So maybe just one possible intuition. Everyone's used an LLM of some sort, maybe for a real world practical use case. The latest models are approximately human level performance across a wide range of knowledge-based tasks, right? They can produce very high quality content. Two generations ago, so GPT-3 and then GPT-2, that was a 100x less compute. So each generation is 10 times more computation. So it's significantly larger. And 100x ago, these models were completely incoherent. They produced totally in-factual, completely made up, not even a proper sentence, let alone factually accurate. So you have to sort of try to extrapolate when we train the next two generations what capabilities are going to emerge, right? And my bet is a couple of things. One, we're gonna largely eliminate hallucinations. The factual inaccuracies are gonna go from today when they're hovering around sort of 80, 85%, all the way up to 99 to 99.9%, right? An order of magnitude improvement over the next three years. The second thing that I think in terms of capabilities that are gonna emerge is that at the moment, these are one-shot question-answer engines. You ask something, it gives you an output. It's kind of like a one-shot prediction that's accurate. In the next two orders of magnitude, the model will be able to produce an entire string of accurate predictions in sequence, some of which are code, some of which are images, some of which is text, and that is gonna produce what is much more like a project plan or an entire analyst's briefing on a complex topic or a series of API calls to a whole range of different third-party services, and that's gonna be truly transformational. That's when the AI will be able to take actions on our behalf. And I think there'll be a whole different trust question in that environment. One more question, then, prepare your questions, I will hand it off. But one aspect of an exponential curve is, yes, we are thinking about sort of the steep part, and it's steep now, and it's going to get steeper. But before the steep part, it's very flat for a very, very long time. And I'm just curious, we were sort of talking before the panel, Dr. Howard, about what has it been like to sort of over the last year in particular, over the last few years, suddenly everyone is an AI expert, and it's sort of been sort of like hacking away at this question for such a very long time. Like, what's it like to, like, oh, is everyone welcome to the party, or what does that feel like? Well, some aspects, you become the cool kid on the block, but the other aspects, it does worry me. And I think about, I'm gonna turn the dial back. Back in the days when electricity was born, we actually had a lot of inventors that were like, oh, we can do this, we can do incandescent lamps, and light bulbs actually exploded in people's houses. Like, this was a thing. And everyone was like, oh, but we have light, but yes, there's danger. And it took a while before the rules and the regulations and UL and CE came about. This is, okay, if you are an inventor in this space, there are some rules of how you do this. You have to have some certification, you have to have some validation. We don't have that in AI. And so basically anyone can participate and create and hook it up to a machine. And it's like, oh, this is good. And we have people who don't know what they're doing that are selling to consumers that also are trusting. Like, oh, well, this company, it's got a VC investor. Yeah, let's bring it in. That's what worries me. We do have our initial pull results in the past year as your trust in technology increase or decrease, stay the same, high. That's what I voted for personally. Decreased, however, on its heels of 33%, increased 70% and hard to say 18. Do we have the second question by chance? We might have to wait to get to that one, but it is interesting to consider what that might be relative speaking for you too. Has the advent of these large language models and I'm going to limit it to the chat GPT era because I think that's what is sort of awoke, the, you know, everyone else woke up to it. You two have been working on it for a very long time. From your perception on the inside has, where would you answer this question? This is the organization one, but your trust in technology. I'm one of the weirdos who have been working on this for 13 years whilst it was flat. And we were making like very modest progress and you had to get really over excited about a very tiny, relatively tiny breakthrough, right? And so to me, I trust them more and more, like way more than I thought I would two years ago. When you look at the quality, I mean, clearly talking to one of these models, like is magic, I mean, provides you with access to knowledge in a fluent conversational style and iterative back and forth. I'm using it all the time to ask questions that I didn't even know I wanted to know about. Now it's sort of because I've reduced the barrier to entry to access information in my mind, I've started to kind of like subconsciously condition myself to ask more things than I would have asked a year ago or two years ago because I subconsciously would have thought, oh, I'm going to have to Google it, look through 10 blue links, go to the webpage. And it was like the bar's quite high to asking a question there now. So that's made me more trusting of it, actually, because I can now ask more wide-ranging, interesting questions. More or less trust? Of technology? Yes. I'm actually more trustful. And I would say that one, because I can query it, I actually know what it's doing. And I'm actually more positive of what's in the black box because I know exactly what's going on. So more of it's because I'm not worried about it explaining itself. And I understand the developers that are part of this because we've all grown up together. Organizations, that's a whole nother question. Are there any questions in the audience? Yes, we can start here in the corner. Unfortunately. What I still can't understand, and by the way, I loved your book, but I still cannot understand it. Why is Silicon Valley so obsessed with AGI, especially the big companies? I mean, if that same level of obsession could be maybe put on solving climate change or getting manufacturing fully automated so we could see that finally, the promise of productivity deliver, wouldn't that be more useful? Yeah, it's a great question. And I hear and share some of your skepticism, but let me make the bull case for you so that, you know, to answer your question. So look, I think what is amazing about us as a species and unique about us, as humans, is that we can absorb vast amounts of very abstract and very strange and contradictory pieces of information. We can digest it, process it, we can reason over it, we can generate new examples of that and imagine and be creative and inventive, and we use that to produce tools. And that is the essence of civilization. So the AGI quest is really a game to capture the essence of that learning process and apply it to all of the big challenges that we face this century, from food to climate to transportation to education and health. I mean, that's really what's at the heart of the motivation, I think, of a lot of people. There is a group of people who are just, you know, slightly evangelical kind of transhumanists who think that there's a natural evolution. I'm absolutely against that. I'm very much a humanist. And I think this is going to be a moment when we have to make some decisions as a civilization about what kinds of agents, with what sort of capabilities and powers we allow in society, right? Because very soon, in the next three to five years, there will be AIs that are really equivalent to digital people. I mean, they will have the smarts that we have, they'll be able to speak to you and I just as we're having this conversation right now. And many people will ascribe self-consciousness or awareness to those models. And those models may sometimes say that they suffer. So many humans are going to feel very empathetic to those claims that this AI is suffering and therefore we shouldn't switch it off. Well, therefore maybe we should give it certain rights and protections that humans have. And I think that's going to, if we just treat that as a philosophical debate, that's going to be very, very hard for the humanists to win. And I think that we should really draw a line in the sand and say, look, you know, society today is for humans only. And that's how it should remain. Just as we say this year that AI shouldn't participate in elections. Why do we say that? Sort of an arbitrary choice. At one level, an AI could be really useful in election. It could actually provide very factual information to everybody. But I think it's a principled decision to say, democracy for all of its flaws is for humans. It should remain for humans. AI shouldn't campaign or participate or electioneer or persuade. And we just should deal with the consequences of human weaknesses in the electoral process for exactly this reason about the future of AGI. Actually, I'll answer a few because I think I'm a little bit of a pessimist. My feeling is this, I'm outside of Silicon Valley, but my feeling are two. One is that the organization that creates a true AGI will control the world unless we have some regulations and rules. So that's one. And so if you think about just the philosophy of creating, it's like first to the ship, gets on the boat and wins. The second is that as humans, we fundamentally wanna create. And AGI represents that ability to not just create our physical, but also create our mind. And so I think if you think about the humanists, it's just the natural evolution of we as people, of creating something that grows, that learns from us. But that is the next rendition of what we can be. And so those are kind of the two things that I've seen as philosophy. That's a great point. One question I have though, just to jump in, particularly with your background in robotics, it seems to me, is there a line between the digital world and the physical world? One of the questions we have here is are we on to lose our jobs? And I think particularly for anyone that is in a digital space, that is a very sort of pressing concern. But at the same time, it seems to me from the outside, I'm no robotics expert. That's why we have you here. Is there a much further runway between, say, an AGI that operates in digital space versus one that operates in the physical world? I think in terms of the function, yes, but I will say the worlds are starting to converge quite rapidly, amazingly rapidly. It used to be I was a roboticist and AI folks. Those were software people that actually didn't know hardware.  And now we have a nice blend, especially with being able to connect to the cloud and actually learn almost in real time. So at some point, it's just not gonna be a digital persona. It is going to be a physical. And we don't necessarily have the skills or tools to really think about what that world looks like. But there is the constraint, though, that you have to actually manufacture robots. It's not like digital information where endlessly duplicate or something on those lines.  Yeah, no, I think you're right. That is a constraint, which means that robotics is sort of gonna remain behind for quite a while. But to my honest point, these fields are converging in a way that, during this flat period of the exponential, they've been very separate. Like they've sort of been enemies. It's like, robotics does symbolic reasoning. And if this, then that rules. And AI is trying to build learning systems. And now you're actually seeing them converge. So I agree with your server motors and physical infrastructure is gonna always be a constraint. And that's going back to what we were saying about building on the shoulders of all of the cloud investments that have been made over the last decade and all the devices we have. All of that distribution infrastructure enables this rapid deployment of AI. I mean, I think it's gonna be the fastest proliferating technology in the history of all technologies. Let's take another question from that. Yes, right up here. We're one of the biggest risk takers in cyber insurance. And I think one of the reasons you trust AI is because you're good people trying to do good things. There's a lot of bad people who are gonna try to do bad things. And legislation and rules and regulation aren't gonna prevent them from doing it. So my question is what is it that you would like to build in or what are the risks that you see that we don't see in how to deploy this, not for the benefit of society? That's a great question. The reality is that the more centralized the model, the easier it is for some number of regulators to provide oversight. If it's completely open in five to 10 years time when these models are four generations ahead, it's clearly empowering everybody good or bad. So the fundamental debate in the community at the moment is there's absolutely no harm, I think, today being caused by open source. And we should be accelerating it, encouraging it. It's been the backbone of software development for as long as software has been around. At the same time, there's a very legitimate question around when that point arises. And I think that's the dichotomy. Even in the centralized providers, APIs and so on, there are still gonna be a lot of hard questions about how to interrogate these models to limit their capabilities, to restrict them. I mean, it's almost like the kind of social media moderation question all over again, but in an even more abstract way because these threats are described in time series data rather than in language and words. Is there an aspect of the solution is actually going to be other AIs? I worry when people say that because I think it's the silver bullet that people always say. And I think we shouldn't be too complacent on that. Of course, there are gonna be AI systems that help. And we already have all kinds of pattern matching systems that are detecting insurance fraud, credit fraud. To the cyber security point, that's sort of the game as it is today. Definitely, it is part of that. But I think it is, realistically, it's also about experimental deployment. Like you have to put things into production, expose them to the world to really identify their flaws and weaknesses. And I think that's actually been one of the great achievements of the AI community in the last 12 months that everybody's got a chance to play with these LLMs, poke holes in them, demonstrate their weaknesses, publish papers on them, try and deploy them in certain applications that fail. Like that's the correct model. And I think that we certainly can't slow down on the deployment or integration side. I think in cyber, there is a move, for example, because you can't eradicate 100%. And so there's a move towards zero trust. Like assume that you're gonna get hacked. Assume that there's bad actors. And so how do you design your processes, your frameworks to deal with that? In AI, there's really no standard of saying, okay, let's just assume the AI is bad. How do we design our interactions such that if we assume it's bad, what do we need to do on the human side? Or what do we need to do with the hardware? What do we need to do with XYZ? There isn't an equivalent movement I haven't heard of. I think you're right, there isn't. Although if you look at it, the standard that we expect from an AI system is much higher than what we'd expect from a human performance, right? So in clinical care and diagnostics, we already have models that can detect all kinds of radiology questions, predict all kinds of acute kidney injuries, sepsis from real world data at human level performance, but they don't get deployed because they have a much higher standard. Same with self-driving cars, right? The AI car has to be much more safe and reliable. So in a way, we do have built-in skepticism of these models, but we certainly don't have zero trust. Like that's for sure. I'll take a question from online. How can we trust technology if there are no policies behind it? Or if we can't trust the policymakers? To what extent, I think it is easy for people to reach to government, reach to regulation. Is that the answer or is there a better model or a companion approach to that sort of, which is itself its own centralization of a sort? So I wear two hats because I actually dabble in policy at least with respect to AI and regulations. And I think we'll take out the trusting policy or policymakers, like let's take that part out because it varies by country. But I think one of the things around policies and regulations is that it allows you to at least start off with equal footing of what is the expectation. And if companies or other governments violate that, there is a ramification. Now, some companies can pay, so it's like, oh, whatever, but there's still some concept of a ramification if you violate a policy or regulation. Right now, we have so many things going on. You have things in the EU, you have things in the US, you have things in Japan that are like sort of combined, but they're all slightly different. In the United States, we even have states that vary in regular. California just released one versus a federal. That is the problem in terms of trusting the policy because we don't have a uniform thinking process of what does it mean when we talk about regulations or policies and use of AI for the good of humanity? Yeah, I think that on the policy side, the curious thing about the models is that as they get larger, they get easier to control. And the policy that drives their behavior is also expressed in words instead of in code. So that's quite a significant shift compared to the history of previous software that you're trying to control. Should all these companies, should they be exposing their full prompts just for transparency reasons? Yeah, I mean, the prompt isn't the only way to control it, like it's actually an entire process of learning from feedback and so on, but I think there's a pretty good case for that. I think the other thing is that you could actually look at the outputs, test the outputs, because you can ask a whole battery of test questions and evaluations. And I think what I'm starting to see is rather than a formal legislative approach today, a lot of the governments are getting behind new evaluations for bias and fairness or for increasing the risk of biohazards, for example, coaching somebody to create a bomb or something like that. Which to be fair, you can look up on the internet right now. Which you can look up on the internet. Or your public library. Yeah, exactly. So the question is whether it makes that easier and reduces the barrier to entry in some dramatic way. But the good news is you can actually just stress test these models. And so there's gonna be a battery of like automated questions or attacks on the models, which I think will help give people a lot of reassurance. Oh, let's take another question from the audience. Yeah, right here in the center. So I'm interested, when you assess trust in a human individual, we generally use a framework that's built around capability and character. So how people do things and why they do things or doing things and doing the right things. And then we take that and we put it in context because trust is really only useful when it's contextual. So no offense, but asking people if they trust organizations to do what, right? I'm really interested if we have found a framework yet to assess what trustworthiness means in AI and whether there is a danger in applying a human framework of behavior onto AI. That's a great question. I don't know that there's a definitive framework, but my mental model is the following. So I consistently trust people that are aware of their own errors and weaknesses and lack of capability. And so uncertainty estimation is actually a critical skill of these models. So let's just imagine hypothetically that we're always gonna have this hallucinations issue. They're never gonna get more factually accurate. Well, other than trying to get them to be factually accurate, the other trick is to get them to know when they don't know and to be able to communicate a confidence interval with every generation. I'm not quite sure on this. I'm a bit skeptical. I really don't know or I can't answer, right? You could think of an entire spectrum of things on that scale. And if it was consistently accurate with respect to its own prediction of its own accuracy, that's a kind of different way of solving the hallucinations problem. Likewise, if it says, well, no, I can't, you know, write you that email or generate an image because I can only do X, that's increasing your trust that it knows what it doesn't know. So I think that's one framework for, you know, that isn't exactly how we treat humans. At least we don't do that explicitly. We have a kind of subconscious clock ticking that we may be not always fully aware of.  Were they late? Did they not pay me back? Did they always say the wrong thing? Have you said five different things in the last 10 minutes? That kind of thing. Like that's our ticker, I think, for trust. Can you bait humility in? Yeah, you can bait, because obviously the model is on a spectrum, right? It's constantly producing the most likely next token. So you can do, you can adjust its confidence interval to make it more self-doubtful. If you talk to Pi today, for example, on sensitive topics like a conspiracy theory or a breaking news story, so Pi has real-time information you can talk to about what happened at Davos yesterday or what's going on in Gaza. And if it's a sensitive topic that it's not sure about or if there's a lot of conflicting information, it will often reserve judgment. And by default, we've actually made it quite cautious if it's sensitive or if it's conflicting. And that's a safer place to be. It's not as useful to the user if we were a bit more bold, but I think in the long term, it's the way that we try to build trust. Yeah, so I will just say just on last note, there were 122 definitions of trust and technology. And so it is a moving target and I think he's correct. One of the movements is not just about capability, but it's about capability and the interaction with the human. I think that's the one definition that is coming to, I would say, have more prominence in the whole trust technology area. There's an aspect, I think, of this framing, just sort of this discussion in general. And it ties into a bit of the regulation question where why would you not want regulation or why would you be wary of it? And I think the worry is sort of a classical one, which is what sort of benefits or capabilities become foreclosed that sort of never get developed. There's a question here, you know, if it's anonymous, so I can call them very cynical, they say, why should we trust technology besides profit? How does it benefit humanity? And I think that one thing that occurs to me, I'd love to hear both your sort of take on this, is is there an aspect has, have technologists done an insufficient job talking about why this is a really big deal and people ought to be excited. And certainly we should be aware of and address the issues, but why is this so important? I feel like all we do as technologists is talk up the benefits and, you know, that people accuse us of sort of hype and stuff. I mean, we couldn't be... So has there been an overcorrection in this wave relative to social media? Maybe there is, maybe there is. I mean, look, I'm not... I'm not sure that, like, that's necessarily the right framing. I mean, these models are clearly delivering provable benefit, and to the extent that it's a useful tool, the way to distribute it in the market is to generate profit. Like, profit is the engine of progress that has driven so much of our civilization. It doesn't mean that it shouldn't be, you know, restrained and regulated in certain ways. But you're not paying with their wallets. They're making that choice with their wallet. And I think it is important that we start talking about which capabilities are potentially in the future going to create more risk, right? And that's where I think we need to start thinking about regulation. So, for example, autonomy will clearly create more risk in the world. If an agent has the ability to take a whole series of actions independent of human oversight, unquestionable that that creates more risk. Or the crossover to the physical world. Yeah, if it interacts with the physical world, there's clearly more risk there, right? No question. If it's a high-stakes environment, like healthcare or self-driving, clearly creates more risk. If the model has the ability to self-improve without human oversight or a human in the loop, it's kind of a version of autonomy. But if it can adapt its weights, learn new information, change how it operates without human in the loop, clearly has more risk there. Like, no question. If it is inherently general, right? Clearly there's more risk. If it's trying to be good at absolutely everything simultaneously, it's going to be more powerful. So, whereas the flip side of all those things, if it's more narrow, if there's more of a human in the loop, if the stakes are lower. So, there's clearly a framework where, you know, regulation is going to have to intervene at some point in the next few years. Yeah, so this is the story of technology in general. I remember back when laptops and internet came in, it was like, oh my gosh, the world is going to get destroyed and there's going to be the haves and have nots. And I would say the internet has really leveled out and made the world a little more equal in some aspects. If you look at Africa, when they went from landlines, they just over, like, leaped over to now have cell phones. And actually have connections in terms of the room of communities. So technology, I believe, is always moving forward. I think the problem is, as technologists, we aren't trained to be social scientists or historians. I mean, traditionally, we're positive because it's our field. It's like, we're in this field because we love it. And then someone's like, yeah, but it's bad. No, no, no, but it's perfectly fine. It allows all of these opportunities. And I think that is one of the things that we do really bad as technologists. We don't necessarily build bridges with others that can translate what we see as the positives. And we know some of the negatives as well, but why are we gonna get rid of our own jobs? That's not gonna ever happen. And so I think this is a room for improvement, is how do we as technologists build bridges with others that understand us, understand the technology, but can also translate that in terms of the risks, as well as the opportunities in a space that's more holistic. We have time for one final question. So we'll take it from the audience if there's any takers or the table is yours. I would love to hear your take on the future of LLMs. I mean, is the size game gonna continue and how long and what does the future look like? And if time permits, would also love to get your take on this, the open versus closed debate that's going on right now. I think the short version is that the models are being evaluated against the threshold of human performance. And that's a fixed threshold, like how knowledgeable I am, how creative I am, how empathetic I am. And yet the models are pushing through this curve over time, right? So that's one trajectory, bigger happens to be better. But as with all inventions, once we achieve a certain state of capability, there's huge pressure to fix the same performance, threshold and make it much, much, much smaller. So today you can train a GPT-3 level capability model. Let me just get this right. At 60 times smaller in terms of flops than the original 175 billion parameter model, which crudely means 60 times cheaper to serve. Any time you ask a question of it, it's you're paying that much less in computation. That's a phenomenal trajectory because you're getting performance increases from scale and efficiency gains as they get smaller. So that's definitely gonna continue, which is good for the small ecosystem and open source and startups. And obviously it's good for the absolute peak premium deliverables as well. The question is, what is the next technology? Well, I'm curious from your, anyone who's worked in AI or robotics for as many years as you have, by definition the LLM is the new kid on the block. It really is. So is it sort of gonna be one piece of many pieces or is this sort of the end state? No, it'll be one piece of many pieces. As you know, symbolic AI is coming. Is it? Yes, it is, believe it or not. So it'll be one piece of any. I think right now it's very efficient, it's very effective. We have to drive down the energy costs. I think it's ruining our planet a little bit right now. But at some point we will get that, but it won't achieve what we really want. It won't achieve AGI necessarily. It won't achieve XYZ. And there'll be some other new shiny thing. It's like, oh, if we add in LLMs plus X, our generative AI in general, plus something else, it'll make us leap to the next one. And it's accelerating. I don't know, I think betting against an LLM is kind of like betting against Elon Musk. Like you don't really get how it's happening and you don't want to believe it, but it's like, geez, I wouldn't take the other side of that bet. Well, we couldn't go to Mars at one point and we will day one go. In an all full circle for you and your career. So I don't know if we have increased or decreased your trust in technology. Hopefully we have increased your trust in the members of our panel here. Thank you, Mustafa. Thank you, Dr. Howard. And thank you everyone for your questions, both in the room and online. Thank you, Ben. Thanks everyone.