Good morning, everyone. Welcome. I just want to remind everyone that this meeting is being recorded to the cloud. The town of Amherst will upload it to our YouTube town of Amherst channel so that everyone can view it. Thanks everyone for being here. Take it away Christine. Thank you. Welcome to the Jones library design subcommittee Friday, June 3rd, 830 am. I, we have a quorum and I will do a roll call. Let's see here, Sharon Shari here. Austin Sirot. It's Sarah. I listened to Sarah doing the French thing. We just talked about this with. You want, I'm present. Sirot. Sirot. Is that correct, Austin? I'm present Christine. Want to say it right. And again, I'm not. Okay. So we have a Craig here. Hello. Our OPM. We also have some our designers here. Ellen and Salon. I'm not saying you're right. No, it's good in Saloni, but I'll take you in Salon. And Saloni. Okay. Tony. I'll spare it. Oh, say that again, please. Shall. Just silent. Yes. Thank you. And I think that's everyone. Along with our assistant, Angela Mills. We have Christine, we have Josephine Penta from our office. And she and the other. She's here. Hi, Josephine. And a lot. And I don't, Steve, I hope I'm not butchering your last name. I'm a lot, but it's close. I'll take it. Okay. We got, okay. This is good. We're having this moment. And then Christina is one more. We just joined from my office. And that's will Fernandez. So he's new to the team. And he's going to be helping us out. On this project and a couple of other projects. I'm glad you mentioned that. I don't. To see, to see the full cast of characters, you've got to go to participants down at the bottom. Oh, I have the panel thing up. I have 10 panelists. I don't see will. His name is coming up as my name. I think probably. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I have two Craig's. Yes. People do that. So okay. Hi, Will. Okay. Great to meet everyone. Looking forward to getting started. Great. Good to see you. All right. Get started now. So, um, We do, we don't have minutes right now. So we'll skip item two and we'll go to item three. Welcome to find gold Alexander architects. We're here today to talk about exterior materials. Excellent. Um, thank you for having us back early on Friday. So we're, we put together, we met in house a couple of times this past week. And we looked at different options that we thought based on our experience, we could afford for this project. And we put together a slide deck that Tony's going to take us through and please, you know, chime in if you have any comments or questions or thoughts. Great. Um, so hi everyone, glad to be here on this Friday morning. I'm going to screen share and try to pull up the show. There's any issues or glitches on my end. We do have Steve as a backup just in case there's something on my computer. I'll do the best I can. So I'm going to try to bring it up just with me. Can you see the presentation? Yes, we can. Okay. Very good. All right. I'm going to just kind of go through this. So what we've done here is we've organized. The review of the exterior. Proposed materials based on what we have designed and also looking at a couple of options. For consideration, but just to remind folks, of course, you know, this is really well, this is your current and existing library, which has this beautiful, you know, a stone sort of feel stone wall situation. And as a sort of mixture of grays and warm grays and browns and you know, I think it was a pretty similar kind of building. It's a really beautiful building. You know, 10 and cream colors. So it's a, you know, it's a really beautiful building has a lot of interest. And that actually is interesting for us because there's things we can key off on this because it creates a palette. That allows us some range of options to consider. And as we looked at what this is it now the rendering. This is what we had shown. And I produced and what we see here again, just. So the idea was to do choice of materials that would complement and work well with existing building, but of course be be different because it is a different palette of materials, which we're going to get into in a moment. But if this is a reminder of what this poses on looks like from the front of the library. And then as we move to the to the backside, of course, this is where the library new addition really emanates further and what I want to point out is a couple of key things in the design. What we've looking at here is an approach that normally tries to complement but builds on certain qualities. So for example, we organize the idea that the building is read in several ways. There's a kind of a base condition. This idea of doing something that anchors the building down because the site is dropping the story from the front to the back. So that's what you're seeing here in the kind of darker, slightly darker gray tone. I don't know if you can see my mouse hovering over it, but that's, that's what's being shown here. The main body of the addition is is another material and in this case what's being rendered here essentially is like brick. As shown in this instance but we do have some variations we want to discuss with you all. And then there are other feature elements of course that pop up is that when we begin to shape the, you know, upper area, and sort of scale back the roof. So over here we're seeing a kind of a standing seat metal roof with a series of kind of projecting dharma elements to the left over here. We also have the standing scene roof but then here we have a kind of a larger window wall treatment related to the interior library functions. And then in this particular when the gap between the two massing forms. This is largely a glass wall, what we, what we, in our terminology calls the curtain wall system so this isn't this isn't another area and then of course we have the individual windows which punch into the openings. So I'm going to kind of go through this and in order to try to help organize this and we kind of did systematically kind of material by material so the first one. Pull in a little bit here, we're going to talk about the base. So there are a couple of thoughts that we had regarding this and this rendering it makes it look almost more like kind of a fieldstone wall effect, kind of playing off the stone qualities of the existing libraries. So there are a couple options here so there's two ways we can think about this first is we can go more basic we can consider it as brick. So the whole thing is thought of as brick. Of course there's a huge range of brick palette and color but we just pulled together some examples and samples and we're thinking along the lines that is going to be sort of complimentary to that kind of warm, tan brown palette. We are thinking perhaps that it might go a little bit more what we call monolithic, but this is something we want to discuss with you so. For example, the one to the lower right that's sort of more monolithic it's kind of a more similar palette of gray. The upper right photograph here kind of shows a little bit more variation so there's a lot of ways we can go with this and course brick and come in a huge number of range of types and these examples here they're just samples to just simply illustrate of course brick can change a lot, depending on the mixture so so one thought is that we go with brick and Tony one quick thing it. We don't recommend red brick at all so it's Tony said it's within the family of the of the stone on the existing building. Yes, exactly. And in our from the historic folks that we deal with this mass historic in landmarks in Boston, they tend to want us to make the addition look different. So that's a discussion that we will have with them, but our point of this discussion today is figuring out what materials we're going to carry through SDs to get a cost estimate estimate on and then we can talk color with MHC. Exactly. Thank you. Okay, so, so that's this is one kind of literally no pun intended base option. Another option is something more like this. This is actually a project we did it tough in the grafting campus, and this is called slate sculpting essentially it's slate. And here on the photo on the right which is kind of a little bit more modeled and variegated, which kind of has some recall to the existing library has a more kind of a textural quality to it, and it is literally smaller pieces of slate that are organized and creating this sort of effect and the image on the upper left that is the, the sculpting slate and it's really because it's called that because it literally the slate has a sculpting quality right it's not just flat and smooth and the difference you can see here for on the right, this upper portion here which has the, you know, the title of the building that smooth slate. So there's a, you know, a substantial difference between the sculpting slate and the smooth slate so our thought was more this because it has more of the textural quality that has some recall to the existing library so this is another option that we're going to, you know, price and consider. So let me say one thing Tony before we leave that so the sculpting slate is the, the spoils of this slate when they cut the slate, it's the leftovers. So it's actually quite nice and it's friendly to the budget. Yeah, and that's that's a great point because in some respects, you know, in a way like a fieldstone wall, which is certain qualities almost like the existing library has, you know that's why the stone on the library varies right because it's kind of a wide range of stones and that and of course the mason's were very skilled in putting them together and and they do cut and frozen but but to Ellen's point that is exactly what this is. It is really like the leftover slate elements and it is in fact cost effective for that reason. But yet it's I think quite beautiful. Even labor wise, like is that harder to do then. It's because they're, they're all that it will bring a sample from this job, Josephine and I both have samples that we kept because they're so neat. They're, they're flat on the top and bottom so they're easy for mason to lay up. Right. Great. Thanks. Yeah. The great question. So, I'm going to just keep going and of course please feel free to interrupt but I'm just going to kind of go through this. So the next area we talked about which is identified as number two is the main body of the library edition itself, and really comprises, you know, the bulk of the materials you can see here and here on the upper two stories. And of course, the same palette, it could be brick. So we continue the brick idea and this is already similar along the lines what I just previously described in the option one for the base. So it's that idea of using brick on the upper part. And then the other option actually where I just jump in one. I'm sorry to keep it. Sorry. But so currently in our budget is brick. That's what we have so we, our task was to, is there an alternate that could set us to help. You know, as an option to be more friendly to the budget. So that's what we did some exploring with over the past week. Thank you. So, as Ellen said, the other option we are looking at is what we call this sort of in some ways it's a metal panel system. And one of the really interesting properties about this kind of product is that it is already built in highly insulated. And in a very lightweight, it tends to go up quickly because they actually come in larger sections. And so they were wrecking on site, it's because unlike the individual masonry units like break or that sculpting slate, these come in larger panels so they actually go fast. And they have built in insulating qualities which are also very energy efficient from from that standpoint from a sustainability approach. So a wide range of how this product can also be done. These are just a few examples. One of the things that we thought about if we look at it something like this, we wanted to do some scale to it. So for example, you can see here both the samples here and then this kind of photograph. There's some calls that we can introduce that kind of creates a more kind of a horizontality to it. In some ways it's kind of like a modern interpretation of like clapboard sighting but done in metal. And so you can see even though the panels, for example, are larger and if there's really technical questions Steve and others can answer who, you know did some of this research but here you can see how this works they can do a different scale. They can have some that can step out. And you can see on the phone on the right that they create shadow line so there's a lot of a lot of ways we can work with this material. So if you want to add or any others. Here you're on mute. We have the slide that shows the actually insulated panel. Okay, I think so. Yes, so let me just say a couple of things about this Tony and then you can chime in. So this is Framingham library so what happened on that is that they went in for town funding. I think four years or three years after we established the budget and they didn't escalate it. Right, so we started this project a little bit behind the ball so we had to be very creative and the material selection for the library so we could hit the budget which we did. So this is the first time we've used this product. So the, what you see is the DS 60 and the DS 59 that yellow material is the installation so these panels come as a total unit. So it's, it's one subcontractor so it has the installation the AVB in the exterior materials. So it saves this might be a whirlwind of information for you but it saves a lot of time. And it saves money and that's why we're proposing it for this because it's, it's proved to us that it can work quite well and look beautiful. And it still looks great today and it's, it's how long has it been Tony. It's about probably six, six years plus and to follow the point, the product now is an integrated and highly insulating for an energy standpoint but the surface finishes has a has a really long lifespan in terms of like, this is not painted. So this is integral to it so we don't have the kind of maintenance issue that you might have with some other products for example. So the inherent quality of it being highly sustainable, quick to erect in the field, you know, fairly lightweight but highly insulating makes it a bit and cost effective. I think makes it a potentially viable alternative for consideration to say masonry or brick for those reasons but it has a different look. And then you can see here that particular design of the framing hand was based on this. I think that's why you're kind of seeing the whole thing large small large small so there's a lot of ways we can take this material through, but this is an example, one that we did at a library a few years ago. I just asked question to clarify, so is it about the same cost as brick or it's less expensive. We believe we Christine we couldn't get any cost in such a short period of time we're going to follow up with that. From our experience, it's less. Okay, good to know. That's why we're proposing it in part of our thing and because we've been doing libraries for a long time is we need to provide materials that are essentially no maintenance. And this is one of them. This and brick in stone, and this these are affordable and you know, stay in the test of time in terms of quality. And I, so that's exactly my question.  What about this century and the slate, is it sculpting or sculpting either way. Do they last as long as brick or am I going to have birds nesting in this in those cute little. No, you won't have birds nesting because we always worry about that because we're in the city and there's a lot of pigeons. Yeah, yeah. So but no the, there's no maintenance with this. Okay, done. And that's the beauty of it. We only did one library with a little bit of wood on it and that was Westwood, because they could have they had the budget for maintenance in most towns don't know. To far, you point those Sharon, because this is a relatively newer product, certainly compared to break and slate is inherently like break I mean, as you well know slate, like slate, I mean those products like 100 years so we don't inherently slate and break. And to your question are absolutely a long lasting and very appropriate in England. This product is is a very well made product, it is mad made. It does have a very long life but will it last 100 years I mean I don't know we don't have. It's not enough history on this it's not that old the product. I think that they, the manufacturers have been using the kind of insulated panels for a number of decades, and it's proven it's proven very well and again to this point it's very low cost and low maintenance for the most part so. But, but like anything else you know beyond a certain time. It's, it's, you know, one can only speculate. That's awesome and I'm not even necessarily looking out 100 years I'm not. I'm looking at, you know, like every five years is the town going to have to put money into so for example you mentioned the slate we have slate roofs. It's a nightmare. Those those silly panel, the pieces of slate are constantly falling down. So, would we have that same problem with the slate sculpting sculpting. It's a completely different issue and also the location of this and for various reasons that slate roofs you're obviously right I mean they're very long lasting by the course when individual slate starts to fall and break off and it isn't maintenance issue. The sculpting state actually helps because inherently it's it's thicker plus they're stacking and it's on a wall on a roof. Thank you. Oh, go ahead just been sorry just the slate sculpting wall is basically like a brick wall the way it's built up. So it's laid the same way and improves to be the same pretty much as a any masonry wall that you would see. Beautiful. Thank you. Sharon my question to you and we were talking about this yesterday. Four years ago when we were very active on this project for five or six. There was talk about redoing the slate roof on the existing building did that ever get done it was just repaired. Yeah, and it was hardly even repaired so yeah that will, there's a cost associated with that. Okay. Thank you. Okay, any further questions about this.  I'm asking because on some construction that I've been involved with we used would clapboard siding which is painted which maybe that is why there's more of a sticky element to it. So really the dirt builds up on those little ledges would maintenance like once in a while do they have to wash these or I, you know what happened with the framing ham branch here to begin. We can ask that we were still in touch with them. We're happy to ask them. I don't I think the rain washes some off Christine but it's a good question will reach out to them. I'm happy to do that. It's gotten dirty. Yeah, or if they have to wash it just I think that would be important for us to know for them. Great question. I think you can see in some ways, and I think that by the shape, the profile right with this kind of angle.  Thanks. Okay. Any other questions. Thank you for showing. All right. Okay. Then the third era, number three is, is of course this glass area in between the two masses and this is essentially what we're calling curtain wall and we can explain a little bit whether technical differences being current wall and window walls and windows but it's essentially it's a product that allows you to do large areas of glass. It is, it's inherently able to do this because it's a different kind of system that is integral. So for example, and please when we show these present. This is not the design we're trying to just illustrate the use of the product so please don't interpret that as like well that's what this looks like. So, you can see in these areas here, for example, Connor is a very common. There are many current wall manufacturers that's actually one of the major ones in the United States that do all over the country. It's like this so you can see here, and like here, and in here, this is how they had a large expanses of glass.  It allows them to do these large areas of glass and I'm sure for many of you have seen building with large expanses of glass, that's what they do. It's a current wall system. And it's, it's an able to do that, for example, here because unlike a window or window while they're finite dimensional constraints when we'll talk about it on another slide in a minute. This gives much bigger areas of glass. I don't know if you want to add anything to this. No, I think that's it Tonya and again, don't be thrown off by the images but it's it's quite common. I'm sure Craig and his team have worked with the product before as well. Okay, yes, yeah curtain wall is one of the standard materials or systems that modern buildings are made with. Right and again this what is what's illustrated in our rendering is priced. So that's currently in the price. This area of glass. Okay, I love the look of it. Just wondering about sustainability. You know, is it insulated, you know, or is it just it's in so I don't know if you want to chime in just being I don't want to hug all the fun stuff. But it's insulated glass Christine with an get on. I don't want to call it a gas inside it so it's insulated but as you see from the design it's limited where we're using these expand the expanse of glass. It's only contained it here. It's very minimal because we did take that into account. And you took it into account in terms of achieving our, our energy conservation goals. The EU. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. This glass just to remind myself is on the north side of the building. And again in terms of the use of the glass on the north side of the building. Does that affect it in any way. I mean I think that I know I think it doesn't affect that it doesn't affect the performance of it I think as you said to this point, the installation properties in the glass can inherently be achieved in different levels. And we're not proposing here, but for example, another project. Some have even got it like triple glaze like there's three pains of glass right I mean that's highly insulating. Some others have filled sometimes a product in between the glass. So, this particular product has a lot of ways to do it. And it was taken into account in terms of the overall building energy efficiency EU I analysis when we did this. So that's why we contained it to that one area and not spread it across the entire library because that's the reason. Of course it's not going to be as insulating as wall, you know solid wall would be right and one of the problems that one encounters with with this. So again I'm just sitting here thinking I wonder what what was happening in 1992 when people were talking about the skylight. No one, you know said well the skylight that's beautiful, but I wonder what happens. What are the problems that one encounters with this kind of design so every design has problems right they're not they're not, it's not perfect. Right. What are the issues that one has encountered with this kind of setup. The issues. One thing, it has to be installed properly right so that's from the get go. If it's installed properly and sealed properly. You will not have any problems for many years over time will you that you know there's a sealant that goes around it and if you want to get in the details we can do that on another call but over time the sealant may need to be redone. Okay, but I can't if that could be 20 years out. Yeah, I think to the rendering of. Thank you. It's helpful to just look at what we're talking about. I think I think I'll follow up to your question awesome to one of the pluses I think since the time that you've had issues with your skylight. There's been a lot of advancement in the technology of all of this product and it's much much better built today, even compared to current wall systems 20 years ago so building, not only because of energy issues and sustainable issues, all of these products have up their globally. So they're much better made they're much, much longer lasting, and furthermore because this is on a wall again not on a skylight. Yeah, so that that that obvious a lot of issues, avoid a lot of the issues that a skylight has, because the fact of the matter is simply on a wall, and not on a roof. So I think for those reasons alone, it's a much much higher quality product today than even would have been two decades ago. But these are all good questions. Absolutely. Okay, and there is a benefit also awesome to be on the north side so one of the challenges with this is the solar heat gain when it's on the south and west. Yeah, exactly that's for those point it's actually better than from an extent point in this instance. Okay. And then the number four, this other fairly large area of glass here is this here that we've been talking about related to this part of the library you know which contains maybe the adult portions of the collections, and then the areas looking out in the garden. And here, this is what is called a storefront system so again, this is also another example from conure but there are many, again there are many manufacturers that do this. So the main differential here versus the curtain wall system is that the storefront system has a lot of the appearance of a curtain wall but it is built up more kind of a series of parts and it doesn't quite have the same ability to expand in terms of area so curtain wall can get very large expansive glass, you know can go several stories high and go wide I mean like high rise buildings are all curtain wall systems. This system here is less expensive than curtain wall, but it's huge fairly large in areas of glass so that is what we're looking at here for those areas on that again on this rendering because these are still, you know quite big windows. So we're looking at a product that allows us to do that, but in a you know fairly cost effective way and again these are just examples that you see both down here, and also here and you know you can see there's a large areas of glass. I said within that so this is this is what is proposed in that part of the library. The difference between the two is that the curtain wall has more structural stability to it so it can span higher vertical distances store, and it's a little bit of a cost premium storefront cannot it's limited to about spinning 12 feet, and it is cheaper than curtain wall so we can only have a featured area with the curtain wall and as the project evolves, can it turn into store storefront. Yes, it would, you know, change things a little bit but again, this is what we currently have in the budget. I just have a question current library and I understand why we wouldn't want this but just in case people are wondering our current library windows open all over the place because it was that homie feel well any of these open and why wouldn't they open. They'll open. And the question is Christine how much. There's a double edged sword.  But most humans want to be able to open a window so we put it we sprinkle we sprinkle a few in it in every area so it you know in the end if it's a problem. You know, sharing can there's a device that you can just lock them. Yeah, no, so it's I'm so glad you brought this up Christine so actually the MVLC feels very strongly that as many windows as possible are operable because HVACs break down, and there is a beautiful spring and there's a beautiful summer, and there are even some beautiful summer days fall, you know, so yeah operable is the way to go. And following up and you know as we've all been experiencing COVID one of the big issues with buildings is not making them till tight like in the past all buildings were all environmentally controlled but no ability to create natural ventilation so there's clearly much more important stressing on natural ventilation so it does require being a little bit more mindful.  So there will be some of that but but for sure people absolutely love fresh air and a beautiful, you know, spring day and fall day and it's it's it's it's actually also healthy. I have just a procedural question it's nine o'clock what what is it that we need to do with these with these extra materials questions. Awesome we are sharing this with you to share the range. Ultimately, we're going to have to give you cost considerations and then then really work with you on a decision like, do you like this or do not like this or given a choice. I prefer this versus that. I would I'd be I'd be curious just to get from the group a gut reaction to that from the brick to the metal is the metal just not do you think that's just crazy talk. So I'm going to just start for myself and say crazy talk is not a word I would use but it's in the range. I, I'm thinking about the metal in relationship to the historic building. And it just the framing and building that you showed. It just for myself. It doesn't feel like that's where we would want to go. I have a question about the sculpting sculpted slate, which is, is that a usable material in different shades, for example, throughout the, what you have labeled one, one and one and two. I don't just think do you know if it comes in different colors. Well you showed it in different, I think you showed it in different colors. That was that that was brick that we showed in different colors. So go back to the slide, go back to the slide with the slate. I know for months late offers different colors of the slate, and I would imagine it holds true for this company. What I'm looking at is the one below this you see it looks like it's brownish. That's a photograph. Okay, it's just the time of day. The color changes this is this is probably much more true here. What you're seeing here and here that's kind of that bluish kind of gray color that you know you think of slate it's like that. Is it usable throughout the one and two. Yeah, I mean, the whole building. Yeah, you could. It's possible. And one thing we'll check though that because the colors are good question. Everybody knows slate is kind of in the range of grays and greens but there may be one that's a little more green that you know the group would like so we can do that investigating. So you'll look into colors. It's a limited range we're not going to get like purple. Yeah, great. There's more range than slate. Yeah. Can we go back to four so we can finish the presentation because I think we still need to hear about roofs and then we can start think about the layers of this cake. All right, so to follow your point, Christine, number five is the roof. So the roof is proposed as what we call it metal standing seam roof it has, you know, why you see these lines here that's really the standing seam is how the proof is, you know, created and put together. And I'm sure many have seen there are many, many examples grow in New England. These are just a few but again it's the way that it is done and it's sort of these interlocking, you know, roof elements that's why they create this the same effect it also helps to shed the water makes the scale, you know, and it's highly durable. And it's proven it's track record in throughout New England over decades, and the whole intent is that the roof would be this standing seam metal roof and in also the dormers to what you see here. Similarly, it's the same product same material. And of course it comes in a huge range of colors to but most of the tents towards the silver gray palette which is what we're proposing in some fashion but again there, there are variations in the color of this too but that's what we're looking at. I think it would be inexpensive as a choice. Yeah, it's it's it's a really cost effective product. Yeah, it doesn't have the maintenance issues of the, for example, the shingles that you're currently experiencing. Right. So if you go back to the Jones library rendering. There's also skylights up there which, you know, that's a sensitive issue from our previous current building. So how does that work there. Is there roofing on top of those triangles or so that we wouldn't call these skylights. No, actually, because the skylight for us is something that sits on the roof flat so it has exposure on all sides. They're really called monitors they're really like their their angle like monitors so for example they're kind of the salt juice pattern to Ellen's point so you can see here on the side I know we don't have a rendering on the back but unless it shows up in the frontier, maybe shows up in the front view let me get to that. Well, a little bit you see this in this kind of black color. So that's a roof material and it's going to be the same kind of probably standing seem metal roof on this surface. So the only area where there's glass is here, and there's a slight can't to the glass in order to capture a little bit like but literally site that the amount of that tilt can be slightly angle or can be literally vertical. Right, so you know the way it could be it could be straight up and down. And so it is not a skylight in that sense at all, because it is only monitor glasses on this side, the north facing side, and the south facing side to go back to the, you know this front view. So here, we also had proposed and I'm not sure where we are in the budget, originally that there was going to be opportunity for solar TVs, because it's south facing. So, all of these angled elements here which are called it black, I do have that opportunity to be pvs, and it's orienting rightly, you know with the sun to facing south. Perfectly. Yeah, nice. I feel like into that top room, you know, like the rendering that you all seen before in the interiors. That's going to bring up a lot of natural but north facing like into that top all diffuse so there's no direct sound like coming streaming into that top level but it'd be filled with, but which reduces of course and man for artificial lighting. I do love the saw to through idea, but that was interesting that you said it could go vertical as opposed to angle if it were vertical with that help with the, you know, preventing leaks in the future. Yeah, we have probably to some extent I mean this this is a very shallow pitch it's maybe tilting 10 degrees or 15 degrees but if we went fully you know zero degrees I mean you know up and down. Yeah, we can that's an absolute detail refinement we can we can explore if there's any concern about any of this being angle. I mean, so that can change. It's really pretty. A question about materials. It's a little hard to describe but on the ground for second floor. There's the storefront windows and they're surrounded by a white material, and then on the right on the second floor, the. It looks like roofing material edges this around the boxes out the window. And then on what we were just talking about those angle light monitors, the triangles on like the West side there so I'm wondering what, you know, again maintenance are these roof materials. What are they. No, I think we would all try to be again as low main as possible so the introduction of the metal roof would be not only here but also on these light monitors, all of that would be the same product same look so we wouldn't change it so this is metal. That's metal this is metal. So it gets consistent and then this material here I know we're. Don't remember what we carried. I think it's we carried metal white metal. Okay, so it's a metal product to its white. It's a little differentiated from this I think we wanted to create a little bit of skill because we're also seeing here on these more traditional windows. The introduction of kind of, you know, probably a white ish frame. I think it's apparently it has some not towards your historic building, which is sort of kind of white trim on the windows as well as the subdivide of light so we're thinking of that. So we did want to make a little bit of distinction here but it's subtle right because I think the whole palace kind of this warm gray tan white cream look so we're trying to keep it very calm, kind of very understated and also very respectful of your existing historic library. I want a chance to kind of disagree, not kind of disagree I'd like to disagree with Austin about the, the sentria, the metal so I don't think it should quite be off the table yet and so as an example on on the 1928 exterior wall the east side. You can see where I'm pointing right now right. So there are lots of different materials there you've got the stone you've got the siding. I don't see why we couldn't do a combination of metal and glass and and brick I'm just, I think it could look really great. And granted this is just my aesthetic whatever, whatever the full committee wants you're not going to get any complaints from me it will be awesome no matter what. But is there something to be said for the fact that this building is going to be built in 2025, as opposed to 1928 so is it really that awful to use products that were around in 2025. That's me. Well, you know what that's always a question that Sharon because we're doing a big project in Brookline, where in Brookline everybody wants wood siding, right, but this project is so large. It can't have wood siding because the client can't maintain it so we're using a hardy board that looks like wood siding, but it will never rot. And what it is it's the point being it's new technology. Yeah. And that's what I because it's we might as well use the new technology because it's less maintenance it's it's better insulating value. So that's what what we're the metal panel works for us in that sense in as does the brick. I mean the brick is tried and true. People love wood and for various reasons and it's, it's a course very appropriate in doing that. However, one thing that I think people are clearly discovering the quality of the wood today is not the quality of the 100 years ago you as many of you know the density of the wood. And when wood was harvested back then and many of them by the extent and with stood so long. It's just a simple quality of the wood was much better we unfortunately, you know, a lot of things that happen in our world and in way things are enforced and deforestation. When buildings put up in wood. These buildings do not last and you can you all know it, especially some of the more say developer type projects where it's built a certain lifespan and then after that a lot of maintenance is needed. So unfortunately, even like for example the strong, I guess museum next to this that was built out of much more ancient wood, which is why we stood the test of time. It's just made with better products and better natural materials than we could do today. And there are, there are cheaper materials that you could cloud the exterior with there's this. It's called cementitious board. But we don't we wouldn't use it on a public library it's just it's not it take it's, it's maybe cheap, but it's a long term maintenance costs that we don't think a library or town building should have to shoulder. Yeah, no, and I wasn't advocating for for wood necessarily because of those maintenance issues we can't afford to keep that up. I just like the idea of a hint of that metal. That's a very helpful thing. I hint of the metal, it sounds fine to me. I'll do it as the primary extra cladding. And here's a question of which you may not be able to answer but it would be really helpful at this point in the grossest terms to give us a sense of the cost differential between the metal cladding the, the sculpted slate and the and the brick I mean what is it in general in the ballpark. We're talking about for the course differential. We can't tell you that Austin right now because the cost of things has changed so much in the last three years. We, it's unfortunate our cost estimator was in Greece last this past week so we couldn't get anything from him. We will get have some numbers for you as soon as we get them will ship them out to you, but in our from our previous experience, the metal panel is cheaper, but let us get that data to so you can see it in black and white. That makes sense. I understand just one other thing on the cost in terms of the relative. The brick is got likely to be the most I mean what is likely to be the most expensive. The metal like take it will be the right to break. Okay, thank you. So we're trying here at this design meeting to sort of figure out how to best present for you all to present this to the Jones library building committee on Tuesday. Could you give us just like, if it's like a cake like options that we're looking at, and I know you can't give us exact prices but you could say like this would be the least expensive option. This would, we think would be the most expensive meaning whatever options. And can you change or I don't know how hard it is with your computer system to give us some renderings of these options because like, I'm open to the metal siding or whatever you know it's going to look great, but I am curious like how does that metal siding going vertical like clapboard look next to the roof metal that's going up and down and that kind of thing so how much of it can you give us options and then give us. Thank you, let me try to answer first about the rendering look. So the render who did this. They're very fast. They're based in Asia. So today is actually Dragon Festival day so they're off. But I will reach out to the render to ask, like to adjust to your point like okay, can we change the material planning to show several options like, for example, we can say, can we do an all slight look. Can we do an all brick look. And then I guess if there would be some either combination of the, maybe we just keep the slate at the bottom and go to metal. Right, so maybe those three options. And they're pretty fast. And I know that they've worked with us really well so let me fall for that I can't promise we could have that by Tuesday but I will certainly after this meeting is ends I will immediately reach out to them and just put it to them and see what they can do. And I think we're okay if it's not Tuesday, we were under the understanding that you know this is an early decision that you need to know as soon as possible so just do what's possible. I'm thinking Christina because if what we did is over this past week we looked at a bunch of options, and we, we whittled it down to these two because we think it's the most affordable for the library. What one approach we can do is we can just pick, we can say okay we're going to go in through the end of SDs in brick, and then have it priced for an alternate to be metal. We can do that. And we can make that decision I think, you know I was thinking the same thing we talked about it to have these rendered in to show the metal. If we have to do it just so people can see impact of it. So let us work on that from our end on both Ellen's issue of cost, but I think the idea of a base scheme, which I think makes sense. And then these are alternate metal or sculpting slate, you know, would be alternatives to the base scheme of all brick. So that makes sense. So when is, when is the, when's the committee meet again after Tuesday. So, this one doesn't meet again. Until the 24th or yeah well we do have one on the 16th that we could possibly if you are in a pinch we're going over comments at that point. Or wouldn't because that would be on the 10th, so it wouldn't be until the 24th. But like I said at this point. You could bring it to a Jones library meeting and maybe Austin can speak to availability on that we were thinking if this was a rush it would be Tuesday but I think it's two weeks after that. I think that's fine and that would give us time to get the renderings done so we can show people will have better sense of cost. Yeah, I think the tech what we were saying the 16th, is that what we're aiming for. Back to us or the 21st for the two meetings from now for the Jones library committee as a whole. Oh. Justine what you're the one with our dates. We're shooting for. Yeah, so pretty much the end of June. For the package. We can get this in front of folks to review the better. Right. Yeah, in order not squeeze us. Right. So Tuesday is the full committee. Tuesday is the full committee on the seventh and then again on the 21st. And I do think having renderings that show the options will be helpful. Huge. Yeah. Yeah, let me let me see what I can do. Yeah. Sorry, like Ellen. I think that showing the full committee on Tuesday. Getting people thinking about this is going to be very useful. So you've already heard interesting, you know, things about the, the design, this is going to be very important to people. If you're looking for the end of June. I think doing whatever it is that we can do on Tuesday is going to be helpful to the process because you're going to get reactions. Yeah. Questions. Let's do that. Yeah. That's a good point, Austin.  But on Tuesday, again, if you can sort of give us different options of cake, like this, this and this and sort of tie them to cost. Okay. So that's it. So if we get the, that's easy to do Christine, if we get the renderings. Yeah. I don't have the renderings by then, but if you don't have the renderings, do you still want to come on Tuesday? I think, I think, I think Austin is correct. I think, and we can pair this down and not go into as much detail, just so people understand get a flavor that we're looking at two different things.  And I just say, again, I think that we should do this on Tuesday. I don't think that you need the whole team for Tuesday. And you're going to just give people a sense just the way you've given us your some of the materials that we're looking at. I think that's the, that's the way to go. And when you, when you have renderings, you have renderings if we need to schedule another meeting to in order to help you will do that. Let's give us a preview just like we've done here. You'll get reactions. You don't need the whole, you know, the 15 people from FAA to be there. Because no final decisions are being made. This is just a preview. And you accumulate questions that people have and not answer them.  And then there's some time as a suggestion if, if the render is able to help. My suggestion would be have, if, because we're exploring a couple of options have them tackle the metal option first. I think people are going to understand brick inherently and even probably because it's this is this and even the sculpting slave I think people can imagine that I mean we can do it but I think this metal is the one that's the most potentially in question. Let's see if I can focus and then to further save on effort. If I can have them focus on the rear rendering first versus the front just to speed up the amount of effort that's probably the one that's the most helpful if you're okay with that. I'm going to see what I can do with her to try to see what she's able to do. But in order to try to contain at least that's first out of the gate thing for next Tuesday, if it's possible to head towards that version with the on the rear rendering first. And if not, we'll do a pared down discussion of what we just did today, Austin. Yeah, exactly. Okay. I want just to backtrack on what you were saying earlier. Oh, for her SD, we could kind of just roll with this. Yeah, we could do it as an alternate Christine and we might want to talk about maybe doing a few other alternates just so we get, we can look at alternate pricing right just so we have a fallback position if, if we have extra money we can upgrade something or we need to save some money we can make some adjustments to materials. So we can do go in this as, you know, brick is the base is what's the base estimate but then asked for an alternate price to plan it in metal. And if that's because SD is rolling here.  Would it be two weeks later than you want a decision or another couple of weeks when you're actually at the end of SD when would a decision have to be made. I think Christine now that we've paired this all down, I think we could go through SDs as base as brick and granite sculptings in an alternate material to be metal and get a price for both. And then, when we get the estimate full estimate on SDs, we can decide which way to go, because in this point, there's some, it's not, there's some technical wall details we do, but there's not a ton. And these are very similar so it's not, it's not a heavy lift from our side, and we're trying to be flexible because we're trying to keep this going and we know you guys have your committees but I think we do this often. This is not unusual, but I will note though, before we go to MHC, which is after SDs, we need to have a material selected. Okay. So, at this point, Tony, you're going to be in touch with Craig to tell us what, to update us what will actually happen on Tuesday. If you can keep Austin in the loop on that. We email Craig a lot. Yeah, we'll kind of get back in the loop and show what the status of all of this is where we are and what we can actually do. Okay. And we'll bring that up on the agenda on Tuesday will be under design subcommittee report, and that's when you would, you all would present your bid. Yes. And that meetings at 430. Okay. And we don't have to take a lot of time, you know, we can do this quick, you know, Yeah, great. I mean, I think it's, it's like Austin said it's, it's to get people thinking set expectations and, and of course cost, you know, we're, we're going to have to think of areas where we can be cost effective. Yes. Are there any other questions for FA on regard to exterior materials. I don't do you just been. Well, we thank you. I mean, it's going to, it's like Sharon said it's going to look gorgeous either way it have whatever is used and excited to see some pictures of what it, you know, finally will look like. Great. Thank you for your time. Thank you guys. Thank you all good work. I'm going to move on to item number four topics not anticipated. Thank you all. Thanks. And Craig, nothing. Nothing substantial. We did have, well, as you and Sharon know we did have a meeting with ever sourced yesterday to talk about energy use incentives and so I'll do a quick summary of that at the Tuesday library building committee to catch everybody. Yeah. But in short, there is some great opportunities out there. And I think there are some that this project will be eligible for. Fantastic. Thank you. And we'll hear about that on Tuesday. So, item number five is public comment. I don't know. We still have four at this time. If there's any attendees. I see four of you if you have a question or comment, please raise your hand at this time and we'll open it up to you. And I'll give this a moment. And I'll just also say at this time that our next meeting will be on the 16th, which is a Thursday, which is a little different to go over the ground to evaluating public comment. And our next regular meeting will be June 24. Back at the 9am time. Okay, I see one hand, Bob Pam. Welcome. Thank you. I just wanted to go off for a moment so I may have missed the opportunity. But my major concern on the exterior rear wall, the north side is that the, the bank of windows surrounded by a white surround. It's not a good idea, I think, for a couple of reasons. One, the windows appear to be floor to ceiling and floor to ceiling is, I wonder about both from a cost perspective, and from a utility perspective. They are north facing windows are by their nature far less insulating than other wall materials. So it will be bringing as much cold in as as is likely to occur anywhere. And that is problematic. And then from a from an operational perspective a floor to ceiling window means that you cannot put people directly in front of it. It would be better if the windows were smaller. They'd be cheaper. They'd be less intrusive I says, I guess into use use by patrons. It would be better if they were smaller. And one could actually sit in front of it maybe turn them into window seats of some kind but the the idea is these floor to ceiling windows, I think are just not a good idea. From a perspective of looks on the west side you've got dormers. And if you were using the equivalent of the same kind of dormers on the second floor. That would be fine and having it be a block that goes to floors with the white surround is not actually a very good look. So, I would say, avoid these floor to ceiling windows and do it on both first and second floor. Thank you. Thank you for those thoughts, Mr. Pam. And they have been noted and they'll be in the minutes. Any other comments or suggestions from the attendees as seeing now and one of our members just left so we're actually just at this very moment we're not at quorum so I'm ending the meeting we are adjourned until the next meeting. Thank you, everyone. This is very helpful. We'll see you soon, probably on Tuesday. Thanks for seeing you. Bye everybody. Thank you, Angela.


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All right y'all listen, I'm not saying this again. This is a 7 for 7 run if I don't I'm giving somebody a hundred dollars So expect seven videos this week. Okay, so today we're looking at low IQ plays and funny moments over the last three Year seasons this is from golden hoops link is always in the description It's got put together some crazy crazy videos, so shout out to him We get right into a baby right into it Ricky Rubio Oh, this is like a whole scheme from the jazz They're like, you know what you're not gonna hit a step back on us because we're gonna guard you from behind And you know what? I was gonna say it worked, but uh No, I got it didn't it didn't it didn't I Mean this is I don't even know if this is a low IQ play I think this has to do with like miscommunications on like the ecstasy knows He expected him to go down because maybe coach told him to go down, but he didn't go down So the pass goes over it. All right, let's see what's next Bradley Beal midi is good What's the low IQ play a funny moment Got some popcorn. Hey man Right. Hey, the room is out there Bradley The room is out there, but I don't know what's gonna really happen Mischoff Mary bled soul. Oh Bro, no at the double-double risk of his body landed right on top of the commentator Not the hand phones off not the equipment off all not the mixer, bro I know how expensive those mixers can be knocked it right off the Like not to have I mean we are talking about Million dollar companies here. So that makes it don't really mean much to them Iggy with the miss Nope, not with a miss done my fault. I thought it was a miss done.   That's not funny It's not it's never has been funny. You think you're you're so funny You're just messing up the game for these players and all the other fans is now We have to wait to see what's gonna happen until the the security comes and get you the game is on pause like not That's never it's never funny. It is never funny Miss dunk there Jalen sprouts one too Wait, wait was the first one him the first one looked like JT Yeah, the first one was Jason Tatum, but the commentator said Jalen Brown misses another one It's just Kevin Harlan going crazy or did Jalen Brown also miss another dunk this game I think this is just Kevin Harlan going crazy because he does this thing when he makes up names He calls people what they're not supposed to be called But I can't even talk cuz I do the same thing all the time. Okay. All right. I mean do your thing Oh, these are bad times Look at our lineup hold on look at the lineup on the court Ryan Archidekno, Shaq Harrison, Chandler Hutchison, Jabari Parker and Cristiano Felicio These are bad times for a bulls fan, man. This is just last season though. Oh If he hits his no tacos for the fans, right? And he got found Yeah, it's it's my boy Shaq and I hit these free throws Cuz I mean his name is Shaq and he shoots like them like the Shaq that we know and love You know I'm saying so is he gonna hit these free throws? Look at Shaq. Oh my god. He's gonna mess up everybody's time Good good Lakers fans y'all don't deserve these Yep, and you know why that's funny Because I'm sure he doesn't care about the tacos. The boys is trying to get his PPG up You understand me forget the fans and they tacos. I'm here So I can instead of average at three points per game. I'm averaging four. Oh No, he can't do that. He can't do that cuz now Jimmy Bones about to get some free calls Hugging up on a ref like that Somebody got somebody got a call a commissioner because that's not right Double teaming Chris Paul Chris Paul, come on dog. Luckily for y'all. I think actually I do think they lost one game in that series You just have a Chris Paul montage moments. What are you doing? I mean he ended up winning he ended up winning the jump ball. So clearly he doing something, right? Clay Thompson like bro get out of here, bro This is the man that speaks for all of us with the commissioner James hard and miss dog. A lot of these are playoff moments. What's this funny off Rook? No good Jamal Murray one second to go What did I miss? What did I miss? Okay All the fact that this game went to so many over times got you got you Yeah, this is one of the one of the greatest games playoff games ever As far as like how intense it was how close it was for the entire thing, man This game is like four hours long with commercials and stuff commercials and free throws Like one of the longest games ever and if it was a five pretty shows Rodney Hood came off the bench in a second overtime and he was just really really good Rodney Hood no one cares until I put on the mask. Oh, that's that's funny Right Right Joel. I miss watching Joel play basketball there. Let's keep it a buck with you Lance Stevenson hit the three, you know, he got a little shimmy to him.  I respect Lance for that. He never switched up on him You know what? That's not true because he had a shoe deal for a little bit and I think it was with like and one I'm pretty sure last he was a sad to like and one And then after that, he's like, you know what? I'm gonna go back to my Jordan's. I'm a hooping some nines some teens Some sevens, you know, he always had the nice numbers, man Michael be easy be easy.  I Might have to watch a montage of a bully boogie, you know, I'm saying like when he was a Sacramento We was a Sacramento because he had his moments, bro Hi here boogie. Hi here boogie was like this all the time But the last couple seasons he hasn't really been a hi here, but you know what? I Have boogie the interviews where he put up like 50 points and then like 30 rebounds or something crazy like that And he was on national TV doing it beautiful times Steph Curry misses the reverse lay-up. Oh, that's the whole clip I mean, I know that all too well. I know that all too well Wigs doesn't have his jersey on And that's the that's the sexy jersey to the sexy purple rain jersey. Yes, sir Those are the nights. I have the alternate version of that Jersey at their growths. You know I'm saying Look at that big old smile from Wigs Back to Joel. That's just a turnover That's just a turn. Oh, this the game when he has zero points, isn't it?  No, he had a nugget hoodie on so he had to say something. Oh, he touched them Yeah, yeah, Russell Westwick is always at the same with the fans are like You know I'm saying I'm not like your toy. You can't just touch me You can't say whatever you want to me. You know, I agree with them, bro And this cost them this game you see they all buy a lot, right? They took that two points off the board because they thought he missed and then the Rockets blew that lead The Rockets blew that lead y'all and they end up losing that game Even though the ball did go in and they like wrap twice Chris Paul, Kenafari. I was just talking about Kenafari on my main channel the other day but Kenafari had a decent 20-30 games with the The Houston Rockets, but the funny moment of with this Is the fact that Draymond gets injured and Steve Kerr doesn't notice him for the first like 30 seconds He's looking right at the at the plate or did he notice him and didn't care? Yeah, I know they got they little beef, but watch Steve Curtis whole play. He heard his ankle Everybody in the bench starts to notice that he goes down. It's stuff of Steve Kerr Steve Kerr is just watching the play and then he's like, oh, that's Draymond What was that census, bro Shout out to go to Hoops, man. Shout out to go to Hoops for the my time. It's pretty good stuff If you enjoyed the video, it's always be sure to leave it a like like I said seven for seven I promise y'all and if I don't well somebody getting some free cash


Also, I'm drowning. I can hear myself in the background. Oh He's really struggling to breathe now That's it is one thing and I feel like we're gonna we're gonna fight a bus today So we might do that right before the bus or something We're gonna fight a bus We thought of us every island. Oh A boss. I thought you said a bus No, I mean I'm having trouble being bilingual, but So hard being smart. Well, it was like this last time.  Oh Oh God, oh you put paintings up in here. What did that last time? Did we yeah, I didn't remember Jesus been so long. They said we'd never played again yet. Here we are. Oh But I'll just put mine a shame now then Well, this one.  We already grinded like throughout the series. Oh I see we already had it I guess I could use that bow Yes, I can use that bow. I got That's like a wanna I'm gonna do it Is this excited is this gonna be the last ever episode. Oh Yeah, oh Yeah, I forgot we killed that giant shark Memories Yeah Gotta walk around and take in all the memories It's been such I remember that remember when we killed Bruce for the first time Do you remember when I helped you make this raft? No No, don't lie I did No, I did I can't take any credit for this.  He's just trying to help out. I was the chef I think this this raft just turned into something sentimental for me. Oh, how's it? In between episodes I just build a little bit on it, you know, like I didn't have anything better to do So I just became my way to relax Bless him Okay excited. What's the plan for today? We need to find the last island Okay, wait, how do we turn on the How do we do things again? There's the engine button don't we have a book or something? Utopia 2351 2354 it's already in yeah, we've already put in yeah, we good. Okay. I can't see this one Yeah And then the screen we need to find it on the screen. I'm going I'm going Wait one thousand four hundred eighty one miles away. Jesus. Oh No, no, almost almost a bit more than one There we go and now No, that's the anger. Damn it. Yeah forward forward How have you broken this raft it's inverted controls No, it's not This is chaos Just back up this latency this latency. It's horrible. Okay now now now There we are set sail yeah, I did it I did it Wow all me me am I genius any credit for that? All right now we wanted What was it juice drinks when you get all the perks? What do we need we have all the recipes for them? Yeah, all the blue ones like there's only five. I looked it up earlier just to be should play Okay, okay, so hardy stew salmon salad catfish now do we have these three hardy stews For salmon's three catfish so that's three out of five done. I have the red beach shot Sorry spicy primary. So we just need the red beach shot. That's the only thing I'm missing Well, that's not too hard as long as we have some turmeric. Do we have turmeric excited? Yeah, yeah, I got some extra stuff for us. Oh, oh, yes, it's like 16 of the buggers oops Little Willie always looking over me like a true champion Little Willie I've made what happened What is it the battery not? No, there's battery No, it's just right now. We made rubbish Away's the turmeric. Oh, did you try did you try to make it a smoothie in the food? Oh? Yeah Well, that explains everything You get to eat that smoothie I don't want to I don't need a rubbish You know when this game was still popular like that somebody should have tried to make this in real life Like I blended with a freaking motorboat thing Has this game ever like I'm not gonna I'm not trying to be just respectful, but I don't think this game has ever been popular I Was a time when it first released on steam or whatever even before it was on steam on it's you know, whatever was Did they play don't know did they did they actually play the game?  Oh shock. Oh my god reaction What you didn't aim for the island. We're not going to the island right now. I did I did look at the footage I pointed it at the blue spot Lies and I play in the latency That's why I couldn't get out of here because I was constantly going in circles How many do we just want to take one load of everything Yeah, I feel like we should just you know when we get to the island we should just get One load of everything because we don't need to loot anymore. We just need to complete you know, okay, okay We're going in the right direction. What wait did it turn again? Which which blue dot are we going towards? The one in the middle Middle between middle I can see the area we're going to right now. It's gotta be that one.  Whoa? Oh There's a whole civilization here. Do you think we'll find people I? Think if I parked the raft close to that raft over there, I might lose it, you know like It blends in really well This is interesting. Oh, so these are like the the tallest skyscrapers. Okay. Got you.  I'll get the bow ready. Oh My god, this hiatus the locals Oh, I missed them Damn latency. Okay. Oh, you brought him a bit too close to us. He's attacking the chickens. Oh What's that coming? Yeah What the hell's he doing on here? He's just chilling. Yes. Oh, he's always vanished. That's that's good But there's another one behind you. Oh, where? Oh I get it very funny. This is it. This is the final island The final island I have waited all my life Okay, people we need to have up for this come come upstairs. It's time to prep like put our game face on and like Okay, fix that image. Sorry. I mean, that's what I was doing. All right Okay, just let me pull the tumor away. Oh Oh God it just majorly lacked. Oh No, I got storage is on the screen all the time now. Oh Remember when I had that bug Did you have that bug cuz I got it now? Oh, I had that bug. Don't you remember where I like? Oh, no matter where I go I can't turn my character. I can't do anything. I'm in. Okay. I Do you vanish just never to be seen again? I'm drowning again. Oh There's poosers Just blowing the island without me No, no, I mean, ah How dare you how dare I did not go very far Oh, I think I've died Yeah, I'm incapacitated. Hello help me I like how waits for me to to be incapacitated first and before loading me in I'm my floppy if it's time to go bad. Oh, there we go. Yeah, wake up Oh, thank God. I got snake in my hand.  Oh, I could go for that right now I actually just had steak. Oh Okay, just look how the other half live. You know what I mean You know what that sounds like to me. Yes a problem Oh God you new skill issues. Okay, I've got one of everything you ready now Give it a second. There we go. I think I think I'm ready too. You don't look ready to me Yeah, I don't look ready. I look ready. Oh There it is. Okay. Okay. Now we're ready game face on that's good. That's good Should we bring double spears? I don't know if that's like I've got I've got triple spears Yeah, I think we'll be fine. I got triple axes as well Oh my goodness All right. Have you got all the meals ready to go? Yeah, I'm good. I'm okay. Let's cycle. Hold on. Let's cycle through them. There's that one. That one that one I like like those two. Oh Let's do it. Let's do it. Leroy Yeah, I see a wire. I see a hyena We need electrical cables. Oh Right, let's have a lucky lose I think we need to get up there You know if you had a raft that had like an extender bit that went out for ages. Could you do that? I think you could I think I could just build this up there to be honest Yeah, if you made like from the raft and just made a wooden ramp go all the way to the top of the skyscraper We could skip all of the mission I got electric cable. Oh From where? Uh, you just work straight past it. It's on the floor Well, we needed electric cable for this thing over here. So maybe that's Uh, start dragging electric cable. Okay. Okay. Hold on. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it He's doing it Did it? I did it. Oh, Jesus watch out Hold on excited. Let's go to sleep Okay, it's night time. We don't want to do this while it's night all youtubers love To do stuff at night. They do But preferably when the game is uh, is that that's my bed, is it not? That's why I like to lay in it. Oh Oh, yeah, yeah, there's an electric cable up there.  We need like more books I did it electric cable quiet I got them in his gallbladder They liked it. They're laughing. Yeah, look at them. He's like Damn it You're messed I shot and then I missed and I shot again, but I missed again Oh, there we go. Thank you. I'll take the electric cable I'm knocking the door but the car knocking the door Okay, I'm dragging. I'm dragging. I'm dragging the cable. I'm assuming I'm gonna drag it to There we go Watch out. Watch out for the spark All right. All right. All right. Well, we've done that. There must be another cable I mean, I see another cable on the other side over there. Oh, yeah, I see it too. Okay, so we need to stack And then get up this way too We're stacking Stacking boxes. Oh man, we stacked. Look at this. No, look at that.  Oh, is it? Oh Star dragon cable Uh, we're supposed to oh, oh, oh, maybe that's why you did it the wrong No, no, no, I think this is right. I've got to put it into that other one that we just did No, maybe you need to make the connection over here. Maybe need to drag it over here. Oh, no, I got this. I got this. I got this I got I got to bring this cable back here and then Oh, no, this one this one this one there it is got it And then that one has to be fed to the other one. Can you bring another cable from that one to over there? Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yarp. Yarp. I got this Oh, yes. No, yes, we've lit it up Well, that's putting power into this one. So we need to get over there Do we need to go up to here and then jump across? I think I found the way. Oh, he knows the way. Where's the way?  Hold on to rotate Oh, oh, I see. I see. So we've got to line up the cable Oh I need to leave here. I need to leave this one. Hold on It's working because it's not working for me I must be Yeah I've lined it up from backwards Hold on. Hold on When I can zoom out like from both Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that our ring is right now. Now the inner rings need to be We need boxes. We need to stack boxes so we can look down. Yeah That's pretty much it I think everything's everything's kind of working here except for the middle one. Sorry the outer one. Sorry So let's rotate the outer one Yeah, move move back wherever you were Yeah, a little bit a little bit. Oh, no, no, no. That's it. That's it. Yes Yes, the throbbing snakes are working Oh We need to do it again over here. Delicious. Yeah, there's a few. There's a few of these don't you love doing the same puzzle more than once? Oh, yeah, yeah, we're done. We're done. We're done. We're done Easy easy piece easy through these Go go go. Would it be fun if this just has nothing to do with what we actually need to do? Yeah, this is just for an achievement.  Yeah, nope Okay. Oh the second the second one. Yeah, I keep turning that one. Yeah. Oh that was working for a second There we go Oh, the snakes are happy now. Where does it go? It's just what we escape pick up a dioxide canister. Oh that we must have needed that to float to the surface Yes We knew that from the beginning Oh, I see a tower. I want to grow up in the tower.  Cool. Let's go Love school.  A note. Let's listen And it's hooked up to actual wind turbines if I had even more power Just imagine all the experiments I could run But now that lunatic olof appeared his cages are already unloaded and now he's promising to help everyone with his army Last I saw him Olof workstrom ruin caravan tau. I will never forgive him I hope hunt and ribbon listen to me. He's not to be trusted Just in case I've decided to up the security on my raft. This map should allow only the smartest of people to enter like me Are you at the top? I'm up here Wait, we're supposed to shoot the tower We are well, we've got the carbon dioxide, but we don't have the harpoon Yeah, it'll be it'll be another quest item. So we need to go find that first What is this need then? Uh, well, we need to find where this harpoon is Hello That's a key on the ground. Is that a key on the ground? Oh, wait, hold on Oh No, I will be that new overlord Oh They could have made a little peak hole and then had have a her say that you know You didn't have to write a node and like Slick it. Yeah, they cut a window with the character saying it being like help freers, but no they put it on a node Imagine if you could just choose not yeah, like you couldn't buy anything be like I am your new overlord now I have been on the ocean for longer than any of you meet my army Of pageant the pageant release the pageants requires three parts of debt those code Oh, it's oh, okay, so we got to look around this place to gain So we have to pick up all these Plans uh, yeah, I guess so the shovels lying around right? Oh, it's insects No, don't die excited not now I I drug up insects. Why are you digging over there? You need to go to the right here? Keep digging There you go one part of those codes How did you know was it on the map? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, I got another one. Okay. Okay. Yeah, it's like a this. There's a shovel right here in the wall I don't want to pick up a shovel. That's a manual labor. You do it excited here Here, I heard this one dig this one up love. Yes, dearie We have it. We have the code Wait, I don't see t code The code is How do I change page? Uh, two three five one Oh, okay, cool Blueprints for what? Jetpack big backpacks. Oh big backpack. I want a jetpack Yeah, because we need that now. It's not like we could have used that throughout the game Yeah, no at the end of the game. I want a bigger backpack. All right. We got the harpoon. That's ready to fire the cannons All right. All right. You ready? You need to be up here. I'm ready. Okay. Here we go. Watch it fire That was beautiful. That was beautiful Oh, how can you're faster than me? Oh my god, he's right We've got the other entrance key. Let's go back. Whoo because we've got two entrance keys now Oh, that was nicer than to place this here Very convenient.  That's brilliant. That's news at two entrance keys.  I wasn't chill Okay, I don't like it play slipknot Yeah Oh, this is interesting It looks like a monkey park. Oh Oh, okay. So baby come here What did you do? Oh, wait. No, no, this will be how we pass boxes to and fro Oh, you're right. Yeah. So we need to find a box a box. We need to find a box Find a box Oh careful. Careful to get pushed off. You're falling to the net I'm good I'm gonna be the next winner of wipe out. Oh, yeah, that's what isn't it? Yeah, wipe out Oh my god, it's multi-pronged Oh I've fallen and I can't I've fallen Oh, I fell as well Oh, I'm apparently not as good as I thought apparently not There's a I didn't expect it to happen again You got yeeted Okay, I have Have you done it? You've done it. Okay. I I think I'm legit having issues though because of my my likey All right. We need a car We need a car Where are we supposed? Oh, you got a car. A car wheel. A car wheel. We need a car. You need a car wheel Gonna be here all day at this rate We might very well be Oh my god sake. Damn it Well, I am gonna go back to Where that lock was and see if I can uh, oh open the door with a hammer Oh, so we don't need to do be here anymore. That was the end I don't I think so. I just got a hammer and that's all I got. Okay, cool. Can I hammer this? Yeah, use hammer Oh, we got it. Oh, okay Oh I love how well he's animated Well, I got oh no, I have to do the thing again. What the cogs? Oh I can't oh No, we can't jump. Okay. Yeah. Oh, we can't jump with these so Oh gotta put it on the elevators. That's how we do We need to get out of here first. How we do it. I see Oh, we need to use Number one. That was that was obviously wrong I'm so confused We'll get it. We'll get it. Don't worry. It hurt here. My brain. It does me too The first cover. Yeah, I know I know you do but like Let's say I don't I don't know how we would do it on that side. Yeah, I I can't take off number one There's number one always on there Yeah, okay. So we can't touch that blue there. Yeah, number one is just glued there Do we want them to connect? I think if we line these up we can shift the weight over Oh I think that's what it's trying to do Okay, so they both need to be at level two I think so. Yeah, that's what that's what they want us to do. Okay. So it's just basic math We'll just need to make sure that the weight is Distributed equally. Yeah. Yeah, here we go Wait, can we get this all the way to the ground? That one. Well, we need to shift weights over if we're gonna do that I know, but what if we can put the clock on? You made a little happy face Yeah, I've I've done some some other creations with it, but I don't think it was a good idea So I changed it back. You can see it in the replay You did it I did bad, but I'm not sure if it's right. Okay. Let's Right remove the two Oh, the car's also away. Oh the cogs. Yeah We're only one cog though, right? I'm not sure because I I feel like we need a cog for the the bridge and we also need a cog for the Machine over there. So that's why I grabbed two Okay Now put a one on it if there is anyone the cogs no longer on here, by the way Oh what? Yeah, I think I've got to hold the cog Oh, no The cogs are down there. How would you do this alone though? You just stand there. Yeah You just stand there. So pass me a cog. Yeah. I'll take it right. Okay. Okay Um, yep. Yep. Oh, that's too many. Oh, I gotta go Oh, hold on. I'll take the one off now.  Okay, put put a three on We Yeah, there it is Okay, so now we can just pick up cog I have the cog I put the cog I've over the bridge. I've beat the boss. We ended the game We need another cog Oh Oh, yeah, it's up here.  Go on. I love this animation Okay, is it? No, that's that was too much. You take off the one and we take off the one now and we get something new Oh, yeah off the one. Yeah one gone take that give you the two Thank you. I'll take off the four Yeah, and then it should be good and then is is that right?  I've only got two on though Uh, do you need to be one lower? Is it one lower? Oh, it's too low.  No, never mind Wait, wait, wait pull the lever pull the lever. Oh, yeah, that's right here because we need to put the cog on it I am so happy. We're never gonna use the word cog And now we have to do the whole thing again. Wait, can I not jump on there with the cog? I don't think so and bypass the whole thing. Damn it. No, I can't do this though But I can yeah, I don't think it's it's I don't think it's like I just think you're bad There we go, here we go No, I just saw pushed me off like I didn't even hit it. It was like no off Okay, now I'm I'm attracting your bad luck and Oh, is that right? It's lag. I swear Oh, you're kidding me The game just went no, you can't make that ledge and I I I didn't even get hit by anything. I just didn't make the jump We need you to be able to do it though because Why this is how we this is how we get well. Yeah, I got that that's where I was like, oh god. No Not this again You got it. Oh, I just have to run with that one Right, and then the next one. This is just jumping at the right time Hey Let's do it. Am I here? Yay Thank christ All right, let me in Do we supposed to go up? All right, oh someone's snacking on there Seeing you fail over over again makes me hungry Oh, well, I'm glad Okay, it's gotta be up here somewhere then Is it not just this? Hello utopia. Where are you? Are we about to fight? Are we? I don't know. He sounded like we were about to fight. He did didn't he but I don't know for an minute.  He's throwing fireworks So can we shoot him?  Yeah, he ducks when you do that. Gotcha Okay, so we're gonna find all the boxes then I assume There's like an angry swish guy up there.  Oh, no, I got up here and He ran away Typical swedish. Oh there it is Oh, we got the warehouse ready go Oh, that's the shortcut Oh, yeah, it's in case we fall down or whatever. Is this the final showdown Oh, it just looks like a final showdown. Oh my god. Yes, it is. Should we eat all of our things? Yes, this is this is the time. This is the time is now. Are you ready? I need to put them all in my heart bar. Yeah They're like, no, they're gonna eat all the stuff.  Oh my god. He's got me in his mouth Oh Well, they didn't do a good job They're all dead That's like eyes of all of the cages Oh, yeah, so there is kill them We've got all the pops. They don't stand a chance Ow, ow, ow, ow, okay collect the boxes and stack them Stack the books stack the books She's But we need one more box if you got that one more box I'm gonna die.  Are you really? Yeah, I'm gonna have to be up here for a little bit. Okay We need one more box. Can you do it? One more box one more box one more box one more two There it is Up we go Whether though, I don't know if it will be I think we might have I don't think this is the boss battle. Is it not? Oh, this looks like boss battle one. Here we go Um, I'm not gonna have any help for this one. Oh what you like? I was tanking them. I was like, ah We still we still have uh, what does it call? Oh, I fell in Oh my god. It's an uber. Hi Just slowly kill it Is that right?  Watch out. Watch out. Watch out When he does that he's invincible apparently the arrows just bounce off him. Oh and he's throwing rocks Yeah, I don't have any more arrows that just bounce off and I can't pick them up What yeah, got you maybe Oh my god my help. Okay now we can shoot him I'm picking up arrows on the floor as I'm running around Yeah, just pick out pick out arrows from him Yeah, watch out. He's invincible right now. He's invincible. Oh No I mean, I I don't know what to do. Oh, there you go. Oh, he's he's vulnerable again I'm just like why is there no health bar? I know this should be helpful. I don't know if we're doing it right My bow is gonna break. I'm gonna have to resort to mainly come I think we're good. We're good I might want to like try and like if I lose a lot of health. I might want to try and die before Oh before it runs out. Oh, you gotta What take all the leather Oh alphas head Put it on There I am. How do I look? Beautiful. I look great.  He that's all that happens. He just hangs there Hey, look at the very end of the game. We got a blueprint for titanium tools Oh, no, really like titanium arrows titanium axe titanium machata titanium That is so the sort of the end of the game we get the best like weapons Don't forget to kiss Olaf on your way out. Oh, bye.  Yeah, we're not technically murderers are we? I mean, maybe because we aren't helping him. We're Indirectly killing him And look, are we really close to the thing? I can't remember. Yeah, we are That's right here. I thought so Let's save them all together Just wait when we're free them, they're gonna hand us a note and the note is gonna talk Oh, yeah, they're not gonna actually speak to us. Can you imagine? I think you should do the honors squad you click it. Here we go All right, we're just gonna let it hang Oh The survivors were left with nothing. Oh, it's a picture though Okay Oh Just eat him just eat him get it over with Oh, it's another picture I thought I thought we're gonna see our round to the end the I was hoping Spent a lot of time on that thing Oh, so this is a prequel to disney's moana. Oh I am Hey, look NPCs actually Talk to eyesight We talk to them all Oh, I can't wait to talk to all of them. It's gonna be so fun Look at all the things we get Good good.  There he is. There's ditto. Oh my god. I thought ditto was like a teenage girl I I had no idea to be honest I felt like the the accent switched between like african and then chinese and I was I have no idea I thought she was I thought she was like I thought they were gonna be like Probably chinese like In the eyeball, let me get those floaters for you. Yeah Oh, so so the end reward is that we can just come here and get anything we want I don't know. Oh, we can still pick up boxes. Can I do something with this? Yes wear your ruler now Oh And they ruled over their country with an iron fist Yes, this is our new place you're part of my collection now They're all in boxes They're in various parts. Oh, yeah, I mean I can't think of a more filling end Now rot Yeah, we should the episode should be called we took over We got the the bad ending for raft I mean, let's go down to our own raft and oh wait, we can buy something to buy some we can buy things I got a bit of everything now.   He's pretty lights for my kitchen Or you can hang them as well. That's cool Oh Yes, yes, yes, yes Do you like the bottles through the window there? How does that look? Oh, that's good. I like how they're clipping. That's nice Is it is it clipping? Oh I can fix that No, no it must clip Yeah, there we go more I want more More There we go now. I'm like a potion in a witch Light let that be light But that's it. We've done it. This is we did it. There's nothing. There's no more. I actually We completed it. We did it How do we end this then? What do we say? Is there anything we need to do? Is there anything? Um, I guess destroy the raft What? Destroy the raft I mean, I guess we can That's really what you want to do. No I know man. It's be fun. Oh wait, we can make the the new weapons Oh, yeah, maybe we should like gear up one less time Well, well, well, I want the sword Is there a sword? Yeah, there was like a titanium sword I made a sword Put the pirate hat on as well.  Oh, that's the look. Yeah. Yeah Piratey, right.  Where is he? Bruce.  Come on.  Ah Yeah It is over There's only one thing left to do and that's return to the sea Swim as far down as you can. Yeah, but oh my god. He looks ugly It's been wonderful Lovely adventure. It's kind of poetic just looking at the raft slowly turning into darkness Bye


Hi everyone, this is Chicho and I spent a while since I talked to you so I figured it was time to do a little update and let you know what's going on. For those of you who are new, just to give you a quick little recap, in 2007 I started making math instructional videos to help out a family member that was living in the United States. I live in Canada and the videos were well accepted and people started following me and they liked the videos and they liked the way I was teaching. So I continued the project the following year and I continued the project the following year. So basically for about four years on a part-time basis whenever I had time the weather was nice I would go out and make math instructional videos. And in 2010, a couple of years ago I decided to create, host the videos on their own website or host them on YouTube but basically create a specific website dedicated to teaching mathematics separate from my blog site because my blog contained a lot of information that was not math related. So I decided to take all those videos and branch them off onto their own sites. The way I decided to do this was basically I was going to create two sites. One of them was going to be called Math and Real Life and all the videos being loaded on YouTube and organized on the site and the other one being called 420 Math. And basically both these sites are going to be mirroring each other. You could consider them to be my online video textbooks teaching mathematics and basically the project is going to start off with the real number set and I'm going to continue it until we get to an introductory course, at least an introductory course in probability and statistics and an introductory course in calculus. And like I said, I've been going at this for about four years and part time and I just kicked this into full gear, basically occupying all of my time putting these things together. 420 Math is going to be geared towards teaching mathematics because again that's one of the most important things that I can think of doing. And the other part of it is going to be trying to raise money for organizations that are working towards ending prohibition. The first three organizations I started with was Students for Sensible Drug Policy, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition and Irwin. I picked because they are on the front lines of the war on drugs and it is absurd. At some point it's going to come to an end and as far as I'm concerned the sooner the war on drugs comes to an end the better. So prohibition has to be repealed and it will be repealed because of multiple reasons that I've got into it before on my site but I'll get into more details of it on 420 Math. So that's what 420 Math is about, teaching mathematics and supporting organizations that are working towards ending prohibition. And there's a whole list of organizations that I'm going to using the videos to promote and again I'm going to be doing this for a long time so I have plenty of time to go through all of them. And if you like the work, if you want to support this project, 420 Math, if you like the work that I'm doing, if you make use of the videos then please consider supporting some of these organizations listed on the right hand column of the site. And because they are working towards bringing sanity into our lives. If you want your mathematics without the politics, without prohibition legalization and what's going on here then I highly recommend joining Math in real life, going to Math in real life. And joining the YouTube channel there and following this blog because this blog is, I'm going to try to refrain from getting too much into politics and economics and basically sort of put out a little censor of my own, censor myself because I know there's a lot of people that just want the mathematics without my biases, my prejudices coming in. I'm a human being, I do have my own prejudices but to me it's important for people to learn mathematics because one of the most important things that we can do for society is to make sure that everyone is literate in the language of mathematics because as soon as that happens equality comes back into our lives, sustainability comes back into our lives, critical thought comes back into our lives. This information will be available forever hopefully as long as the internet remains free, right? So this information is going to be there and all the videos will be provided, will be accessible for free. All the data is going to be organized in a table of contents and index because basically it's just basically going to be presented in a book form. And again if you like this project, if you support it, if you like what I'm doing, if you're making use of the videos and if you can afford it, support this project, use the donate button, the funds will be put to good use, I can guarantee you that. As far as Chicho is concerned, all the math videos will continue to be loaded on Chicho, my YouTube channel. They're going to be the videos that are going to be related to 420 Maths. So all the videos that are going to be loaded on Chicho on the YouTube channel, Chicho TV, they're all going to be the same videos that are going to be loaded on 420 Maths. And that's where we are with Chicho and one other thing to note as well. As soon as all the videos, all the previous videos have been loaded onto 420 Math and Math in real life and I've caught up with everything and once I get into full-blown producing new videos for the language of mathematics and math in real life, what I'm going to do is going to give Chicho a facelift because I really like the format that I'm using here for 420 Math and Math in real life. Both these sites are being forwarded to BlockSpot and they will be forwarded to BlockSpot for quite some time because I like the format, it's very powerful. So everything is going to be staying on BlockSpot and once we're caught up with 420 Math and Math in real life I'm going to give a serious facelift to chicho.com and as soon as that's done, Chicho is going to return to analysis and discussion of the world we live in which was what Chicho was previously and I'll organize this stuff like a table of contents as well and present the information in that form. So if you want to follow the Math videos, you can stay on my YouTube channel, Chicho TV. You can follow the stuff there if you're okay with 420 Math, the message of 420 Math. If you want the mathematics without the prohibition aspect of it, then join Math in real life. I hope that's okay, that's a little quick update but I'm glad to be back and I'm really looking forward to kicking this into full gear. And if you've been here for a long time and I know there's some of you that followed me since day one since I put out all these videos, I appreciate your support. Thank you for being there and I hope you continue to follow this project.


This is the VOA Special English Health Report. Women in a civil rights group in Togo called a week-long sex strike in August to try to force the president of the West African nation to resign. Members of Let's Save Togo planned to withhold sex from their husbands to pressure the men to take action against president for Nasingbe. The opposition says his family has ruled Togo for too long. He became president in 2005, shortly after the death of his father, who had held power for 38 years. Withholding sex for political goals has a long history. The idea appears in the theater of ancient Greece.  But do sex strikes work? Pepper Swartz is a sociology professor at the University of Washington in Seattle. She says the idea is good for making news headlines, but it takes a lot of work. She says the sex strike is a good way to make a point for a few days. But she says that it probably will not work over a long period of time. She also notes that if you do stick to it too long, you might lose that other person's willingness to support your issue. But pro-democracy activists in Togo say a sex strike during the Civil War in Liberia gave them cause for hope. In 2003, Liberia had been through 14 years of war. Leaders of the group Women of Liberia Mass Action for Peace organized a series of nonviolent actions. They included a sex strike. The actions earned the group's leader a share of the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize. Lehman Bowie shared the prize with two other women, including Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf. She became Africa's first democratically elected female president in 2006. The third winner was Tawakul Karman, a women's rights activist in Yemen. Yaluwe Clark teaches gender studies at the University of Cape Town in South Africa. She says that the women in Togo can inspire other women in Africa just like the Mass Action for Peace in Liberia did. But sociology professor Pepper Swartz says women need to hold real power in order for something like a sex strike to work. They only work in proportion to the amount of power women have in a society. She says, in other words, you have to have a certain amount of power already to tell your husband no. She says this depends on having a society where men respect the opinions and wishes of women. For VOA Learning English, I'm Laurel Bowman.