Live from San Francisco, it's theCUBE, covering Google Cloud Next 19, brought to you by Google Cloud and its ecosystem partners. Okay, welcome back everyone. We're here live in San Francisco on the ground floor here. Day three of three days of wall-to-wall covers. Cube coverage of Google Cloud Next 2019. I'm John Furrier, my co-host Dave Vellante. Dave looking good here. Thank you John. You're feeling good. Day three, we're getting energy. Our next guest is Ukuro, who's the technical director of financial services for Google Cloud. Thanks for joining us. Well, thanks for having me. Good to be here today. So obviously all the verticals, the big theme here is all industries have opportunities with Anthos and all the data-driven activities and open source greatness, but financial services is always kind of an early tell sign. All the trends kind of happen in financial services because the data, whether it's algorithmic trading or whatever, is clearly a competitive advantage from fraud detection to competitive advantage revenue, big driver, that's your sweet spot. What's going on there? What's the signals from the marketplace? How is Google Cloud Next here impacting? What's the big news? What's the big stories? Yeah, it's a very exciting time in financial services. You know, Google Cloud is enabling financial services customers across the globe, across all the sub-sectors.  Cloud is enabling all of our customers to transform their businesses to reduce their costs and to create better and new products. And it is very exciting for them. They're using our data platforms to be able to look at the data that they have and understand their customers better, to be able to create better experiences for them, whether it's through chat bots or our contact centers or better online experiences. They are able to provide more customized products for them. They're using our, especially on the trading side, on the retail banks and hedge funds, they're using our high performance compute environments, our HPC offerings, to be able to create better risk management systems. You know, to look at their portfolios and understand the risk, whether it's in credit risk or market risk or fraud, or they use it for anti-money laundering. We're seeing customers in the insurance space to create personalized products. They are streamlining their actuarial processes. Fintechs, obviously, are using, you know, they're cloud-native. It's very exciting for them to have this opportunity to challenge the big players. Don't forget blockchain. It's coming right around the corner, too. I mean, fintech. Okay, so you're a technical director. What does that mean? What's your job? It's a number of things, you know. I sit mostly on the engineering side of the house to make sure that our product offering works for financial services. And it includes things like making sure our security offerings are there, our compliance works, our data platforms, our computational platforms, high level services. They do what financial services customers need them to do. I also have the privilege of spending a lot of time with our clients across the globe. And I get a view into what they're thinking about how cloud is changing their businesses. So we spent a lot of time in New York and 10 years ago when we started theCUBE, when you talk to financial services company, there were two narratives. One was cloud is evil, we're never going to go to cloud. And the other was, well, we have global scale, we're going to build on our own cloud. Couple of things have happened, as you know. They're obviously going hard into cloud, but they are building their own global clouds. They're just building it on top of your cloud. So talk about that change and what are some of the big trends that you're seeing today in terms of their adoption? Yeah, that has changed quite a bit. The narrative, it used to be that, yeah, we're never going there to, well, maybe we'll go there and now it's how quickly can we get there. And customers are now using, now they're seeing the cloud as a place to innovate and actually change their businesses. Initially they started maybe as a cost play, they had big legacy platforms and cloud came in and the ability to be able to reduce that cost base, especially under the competitive pressures they're in, it initially maybe started with a cost play, but then it very quickly turned into, this is now my innovation play. This is how I can change my business, this is how I can stay competitive, this is actually how I can up level my security and compliance. So it has become very much a partnership between us and our customers to actually think about how the future of financial services is going to be.  They're good customers, but also they're tough customers. They buy a lot, early adopters on everything new, but they're tough customers, they're very demanding because the stakes are high, money. I used to be one of those customers. No, you know, also risk management. So they're pushing the envelope with the R&D, buying early. They have stringent demands in terms of performance, but also risk and security all kind of come together. So how does that boil into today? What are they looking at? What tires are they kicking here at Google Cloud? What are some of their tough questions and requirements? And obviously security has got to be baked in. Your thoughts? Exactly. I think financial services is a business of trust. So usually the conversation starts there and trust is established through security and compliance and privacy and transparency. So and that happens to be one of our differentiators. Our security offering actually allows them to create a product for them that is actually even more secure than our on-premise settings. The second thing is a hybrid and multi-cloud. Especially if you are a financial services institution that's been around a while, you're carrying a lot of legacy. You get a lot of technical debt. You want to be able to also have flexibility to be able to run your workloads wherever you want. So Anthos, if I were to pick a word that dominated the conversations with our financial services customers over the last couple of days, has been Anthos, our multi-hybrid cloud solution. The ability to run workloads on-premise, on Google Cloud and on other clouds at the same time and to have that flexibility to be able to choose where to put your workloads depending on your needs has been very exciting for them. What specific questions were they asking? Were there certain technical attributes of Anthos that was interesting to them? What was some of the, when they started to look under the hood, what are the conversations like there? Well, I think the most commonly asked question is how soon can we start? So there's demand. There is definitely demand. There is definitely demand and excitement. And for the reasons that I've just laid out, to give them the flexibility that they want and the reality that the on-prem setup is going to live for a while. So for them to be able to manage this across a single pane, no matter where their workloads are working is a big interesting proposition. You know, I want to get your reaction to something that we've been doing a lot of customer digging into the requirements around on-prem, hybrid, multi-cloud and pure cloud. And there's a debate around cloud selection. And I was just going to read a quote from one of my article I'm writing right now. It says, now I want to see the customer name. We are currently over 500 existing plan cloud efforts across the company. And we're going to support, and we've got thousands of networks, data centers, and more than 500 cloud efforts with industry leaders, but we want to manage it individually. So the trend is, hey, I got a workload. This workload looks great on X cloud. This workload works great on Y cloud. This workload works great on this other cloud. So it's inherently multi-cloud, but the workloads are dictating cloud selection. And they still want to manage it themselves. So a little bit of control, freak action going on there, but also flexibility on cloud selection. So it's not a one cloud rules the world, but if the one cloud can certainly serve the workload, the workloads are driving it. Do you agree with that? Are you seeing the same thing? I think what's important to financial services clients is to be able to have scale and reliability. And they've started on this journey first with standardization. And that standardization was offered by Kubernetes and containerization. So they already started taking their legacy workloads and started containerizing them so that they can actually now put them no matter where they want. And now on top of that Kubernetes and containerization availability, the services that MPOS brings, observability and security and a single control plane is now, I think, is an extension of the desire for standardization, which brings the security and reliability across the board. It's something like an operating system to me. Cloud operating system, maybe? Maybe, we're talking about an operating system. It's not about cloud, it's operating the cloud. Maybe UNIX was the operating system, Anthos is the operating system of the cloud. What's the disruption conversation like on it? Because banking really hasn't been highly disrupted, but I've certainly heard CIOs in the banking world ask the question, well, do banks need physical banks? And we're becoming a software company. But the industry itself hasn't been highly disrupted. I mean, the leaders are still really strong. Lots of disruption scenarios, but is there paranoia? Is there, they're obviously aggressive people. Are they getting out ahead of the disruption? What's that like? You know, financial services is an industry that's been slow to move to the cloud in many ways, because it's a very heavily regulated industry. You know, it's got a lot of legacy. But disruption happened, right? Fintechs have started happening everywhere. You know, it's a reality of today. I don't think it's whether disruption is going to come. It's here. And I think it's actually creating a very healthy environment in the financial services sector, because now, you know, initially, I think financial services firms were saying, oh, wait a minute, I need to stay competitive. Then it turned into, wait a minute, maybe we can be collaborative. So now we're seeing the big players collaborating more and more for Fintechs. And now we're seeing a lot more open systems where, you know, we've got open banking, open APIs, where we're seeing a very healthy ecosystem being created in financial services. So I was going to ask you, do you think traditional banks will lose control of the payment systems, or do you feel like this new mindset is going to allow them to, you know, maintain their hold on that? You know, I don't have a crystal ball. It's an interesting question though, right? Yeah, but I think it's going to be a more of a collaboration. I think there's going to be more players. I think there is going to be healthy competition and also healthy collaboration across the board. You mentioned blockchain before. We've had Nick Kukuru from MasterCard on many times, and he's talked about their blockchain initiatives. But the other thing that's interesting is, they're actually, as I said, becoming a software company, providing services and becoming more marketing oriented, not just to consumers, but to other businesses. It's fascinating changes. Yeah. One thing I want to ask you is that you mentioned earlier, ecosystems open more collaborative, which we agree, we see that 100% as well. But the interesting dynamic of these big financial institutions is, they've had a huge build out on data centers over the years. So just go back a couple decades, all they've been doing is gearing up and building out. And now in comes the clouds, so they're not going to just let that on-prem go away. I get that. But now you've got new white spaces emerging with clouds. So what cloud is off bringing in is, not so much not the big guys off their perch, it's more of white space opportunities for point solutions that could be funded and grow by just being creative, whether it's slinging APIs together or using new glue layers software or some sort of connective tissue around data. What's your, how does that evolve? Because in New York's got a new renaissance around this entrepreneurial ecosystem. Yes, New York's becoming the next hub of... What are these white space opportunities? Do you see that either service providers, either global service providers or ecosystem partners could take advantage of it? Because white spaces where the opportunities are, that's where the ecosystem will develop, your thoughts. Yeah. So I think you're absolutely right. I think as financial services providers are using cloud to be able to bring their costs down and handle their legacy, now they have more resources that they can use to create new products, new solutions, new opportunities to be able to reach maybe different kinds of clients that they haven't considered in the past or weren't able to address. Because I think it's all about using their data, whether it's data about their customers to be able to create new products for those customers or using market data. You mentioned market data. Financial services has always been a very data heavy industry looking at the market data to create new trading opportunities, to create new portfolios to understand how the market behaves, what are the correlation between different instruments. So all of those capabilities now, they can build on Google Cloud with our cloud partners as well. I want to get your thoughts on Apigee. I interviewed Ed enough earlier and then Mick Xavier came on. He's new to the company only a couple of months in. But it's clearly Apigee is going to be a real interesting opportunity because API marketplace is going to involve from just connecting APIs together to be much more programmable. This is going to be a big part of it. How do you see that playing into your role because you're brokering APIs now, you're adding more codeability to it. Coding APIs is now the next level up. What's your thoughts on that? Exactly, like API is becoming the connective tissue now between all the players in the financial services market. I mean, that's how you create the ecosystem. You know, you need a language to talk to each other and the APIs are the ones that are creating that language. And I think it's helping in two ways. You know, one, it is creating this universal language for the providers and the consumers and the different players to talk to each other. It is also enabling financial institutions now to expose some of their legacy systems without having to completely re-engineer them but put a veneer on it, containerize them, put an API layer on them so that they can actually be agile in this new world without having to rewrite everything. And the business model opportunities are having new business models are emerging from this. We saw AccuWeather came on, was talking about this. This is potentially a money-making opportunity. Absolutely, absolutely. Not just you, but the partners. Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. What are some of the harder technical problems that maybe 10 years ago were unsolvable, that you've helped customers solve or that Google is in a best position to solve that you're working on? Yeah, when you think about Google's differentiators, you know, one of the places is data analytics and AI. You know, as we talked about, you know, financial service is a very data heavy business but unfortunately the data had been sitting in different silos for a very, very long time. And Google's data analytics tools to be able to take all of that data, put it together and then put that data in front of business people that doesn't necessarily have to have a computer science degree and to be able to get insights from that data is creating a massive shift in the market. And of course, the next stage from that is using our AI and ML capabilities to create new insights from that data. You know, at Google we've been using ML and machine learning and have been embedding them to our products for a very long time. And now our focus is to be able to make it as easy for our customers to do the same in their systems. So everything from how you source that data, how you process that data, and then how do you build the models? How do you train them? How do you execute them? And how do you create control over those models? And those are the places that are very attractive to financial services because as you've rightly said, it is a data business and it's important to the core of their business. You know, one of the things I want to get your thoughts on this may or may not be in your wheelhouse, but I've given your experience. I think you might have a comment on this because technology is a big part of the shift. Culture is a big part of the shift, you know, in terms of either mindset, whether it's not the age, it's not an age thing. It's more of a mindset thing. But one of the things we're seeing from customers telling us that slowing down adoption on the innovation curve is procurement. And then a lot of these companies have 1995 procurement rules. That's client server. That was before the web started, right? So procurement, how do you procure a modern, Apigee API marketplace, programmability, DevOps, infrastructure as code, completely different application renaissance is happening. So you got modern applications, multi-cloud, hybrid cloud. There's no rules in procurement. There's a, oh well, split the deal amongst three vendors. You can't do that anymore. Well, either Google's great for this cloud. Why even? Or Amazon, so, or Amazon for this, Google for that. So procurement has lagged. Yes. And so how, does that get in the way? Do you bring it into that way? And just generally, what's your comment? And how should procurement evolve? Yeah, I think especially in financial services, like procurement takes a long time. And in some cases, rightly so, because you know, you got to make sure you have the right, you know, security. You got the right process in place. But I think, you know, it's probably time for us to modernize our procurement processes as well. Make it faster. I mean, a lot of times it's on the customer too, not just you guys, but self-services change the game, certainly, but even just the procurement rules. Well, we're running out of time. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate the insights. Great to have you. Final question, what is the biggest learnings over the past couple years? Now, you're starting to see some clear visibility into programmability and networking layer. Now you've got Kubernetes service meshes right around the corner. What's the big learning? What's the big revelation in your mind of where we are? You know, I think, especially for financial services, we've been on this journey for a while. And I think, you know, the conversation I've shifted, I think that was the very first question that you've asked.  We now have customers that are doing mission critical global systems on Google Cloud. You know, HSBC has been on us with stage, Scotiabank and some of the biggest customers. So what have we learned from that experience? I think, one, you got to start, you got to start. You got to start getting your hands dirty because it is a different paradigm and it does take a while to learn that. And it is not just a technical paradigm shift. It is a cultural paradigm shift. So if you don't start early, it's going to take you a while to bring the entire organization with you. So start the technology early. Start the cultural transformation early as well. Ugu, thank you for coming here on the insights. Congratulations, good work. Financial service, it's a tough business. You're doing a good job. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. LiveCube coverage here in San Francisco. I'm John Furrier, Dave Vellante. Stay tuned for more live coverage after this short break. Day three of three days of wall-to-wall coverage here on theCUBE in San Francisco. Stay with us.


Hi, good morning and welcome to today's products and focus us 30 there is a slowly drifting down below potential support at 17,000 and 75 even as the S&P 500 reach another threshold time high yesterday and Facebook's earnings were slightly better than expected. They reached an all-time ever high and I think finished up about 4% higher With Apple still leading the way as their margins were protected as more people disseminated their earnings They also helped to propel the S&P up a little bit higher US 30 knots for good deal with Boeing results coming out a little bit Worse than what was expected. Well some aspects of the results anyway were worse than expected they were down about 4% at one point as well and a big drag on the Dow and As you see there were actually the doji formation there last night and we've got a bearish and golfing pattern happening right now most European markets are on the slide this morning and FX is relatively flat apart from your yen which continues to lose Traction so moving on to the UK 100 as you'll be able to see there We had quite a strong reversal last night after such a real Good start to the session breaking up through both moving averages right there We've got the bearish and golfing pattern right now and we are on the crust of a very important short-term support level potential support level at 67 74 and We had a little dip below there today hitting the 21 period SMA and it's just on the right side of the line right now But the markets look weak in the very short term Moving on to Japan 225 Because it was moving dolly in quite volatile actually it's not not really picking a specific direction Japan 25 has been quite similar as Chinese PMI came out today beating expectations Most Asian markets got a little bit of a shot in the arm China a 50 up 2% Hong Kong Fraction Japan 25 not really getting that much benefit though But it's all off the session lows and they're pretty much bang on on that 21 period SMA Long-term potential resistance remains at 54 88 Moving on to dollar YEM It's begin to flatten out as is cable and Euro dollar actually Really begin to hug the 21 period SMA right here 101 spot 35 is the strategic level to watch in the short term a break or close of bounds of that level Could be the next move for for dollar YEM. They're saying that it has been that slow grind lower So that's basically the start of 2014 that most traders have been looking at So moving on to crude oil with Texas Another re-challenge close to 105 yesterday another failure to break through today 105 is probably one more interesting levels for crude have a lot of the products we've looked at there today If you look at this evening the shorter time frame, let's switch on to five minute interval for a second This can give you a bit of an idea of what we've seen So it doesn't look so good for a breaking up higher to be honest, but this is the level to go ahead and have a look at So looking at gold now i'm moving on You're looking like you've got a potential drop down to support potential support at 12 95 And this is a quite a strategic level again Also the 55 period SMA and a break and close below 12 95 would open up next move to 12 67 I'm finishing up with your dollar and dollar YEM Moving at 13 One spot 34 55 We're breaking below potential support Another move below that would open up the next level at one spot 32 Oh, sorry one spot 33 would be the next level We've had a bit below there, but then a move back up to one spot 34 55 which is the short term Support and it is looking quite flat right now as well I'm finishing up with gbp usd very similar move to euro dollar on the wrong side of one spot 70 48 and looking at the next potential support being one spot 70 effectively Remember to keep an eye on the chart forum and insights and looking at the economic calendar You do have german pmi and eurozone pmi coming out then retail sales at 9 30 Then us jobless claims later on today, and if you finish up there on friday You've got uk gdp and durable goods due so if you're looking at gbp usd or the uk 100 There's a lot of uk specific news coming out and join me again tomorrow to find out what happened next


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And I said, we'll take it from the unicorn, Justin. That was that. That was the end of that conversation. Hey, everybody. Have you heard the news? HTC's got a new phone. So does Apple, apparently. We'll be talking mostly about the HTC phone, but this little company, Apple, has a phone coming out. And Paul's got that one early. We've got one of that. Wow, look at that. I'm in the old HTC. And it's not even a YouTuber. Is there a little mini ramp before we start the show?  Yeah, no, here's the backstory on that for anybody. And I know Justin knows this. For years, tech writers complained, you only give it to David Pogue and Walt Mossberg. You only give it to three people. You only give it to five people.  So now we're cresting the wave down the other side. It's like, listen, you're all going to review it. Don't worry. She's like, give me the scoop. Hey, we play Access Journalism. Give me the scoop first. Cheap, cheap, cheap. Little baby bird. Cheap, cheap, fun, fun. Go on, I'm on the line. Give me the iPhone. Cheap, cheap. We had serious conversations had seen that. We moved to New Zealand to be in the future. That's how you do it. That's how you do it. Wait, is that why you got it? You got it all because it's like, you're going to get one in a store and you're still going to have it ahead of half of the world. That's smart. Smart move. I should have went to New Zealand and then. Should have been born in New Zealand. Yeah, but does New Zealand still have birthright citizenship or do you have to have a parent? You just can't become part of Australia's government, but you'll be fine. Well, just French government. So who knows what the rules are going to be next. I'm not allowed to live here. Yeah, I don't know. Don't look too close.  Oh, we had a long discussion about that or short discussion about that. All right. Well folks, the time has come. Man, it's time for me to start looking for iPhone 10 wallet cases. That is also a time that has come. That's it. Anyway, that's Justin's inner monologue theater. Hey there, Roger. Hey, I'm sorry, I'm trying to figure out where this news bit goes, but I'll just leave it here. All right. Sorry, I just need to- Oh, Paul, how do you want me to introduce you as being from guerrilla media or? Also need control when you get a chance. Oh, this is always the challenge, isn't it? We're too many hats. Which have- Guerrilla technology and New Zealand tech podcast. How's that? We'll just pick one. Got it. All right. Here we go. The Daily Tech News show is powered by its listeners, not outside organizations. If you get value from the show, consider giving a little back. As little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis coming your way, commercial free. Find out more at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, November 2nd, 2017 at DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And it's studio feeling at the beach. I'm Sarah Lane. On the goose laden shores of Oakland, I'm Justin Robert Young. I'm very excited to have with us from guerrilla technology and the New Zealand tech podcast, Paul Spain is back. How are you, Paul? I'm fantastic. Good to see you again. Good to see you too. Paul, not only is on Friday, where the iPhone is already on sale, but got it a couple of days early and is gonna share some thoughts about that with us. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Roger Chang is here too. Here we go. Hello, I am here. Qualcomm is suing Apple for violating a software license allegedly by sharing Qualcomm's source code for modems with Intel and refusing to let Qualcomm conduct an audit of software handling in the iPhone. Apple and Qualcomm have several other ongoing lawsuits. So add this one to the pile. Google is shutting down its API that gives companies access to its airfare search feed as of April 10th of next year. So that's 2018. And we'll focus instead on the enterprise version of the feed. Google was required to provide access to ITA third party travel info services for five years after acquiring ITA on April 12th, 2011. So I guess we just got a year for free. Hmm, Lenovo announced that it has agreed to buy a majority stake in Fujitsu's personal computer unit for up to $269 million. Lenovo posted a profit of $139 million in Q2. It's the biggest quarterly jump since 2015, but still a decline over one year ago. Inside EV estimates that 50% more electrical vehicles sold in October versus one year ago. So on the up and up. Chevy and its Bolt EV sold the most at 2,781 units. Toyota and the Prius Prime second with 1,626 units. Tesla numbers released yesterday would put it in front of Toyota, but behind Chevy for the first time. And US Senator Sue Collins of Maine and Martin Heinrich of New Mexico introduced the Securing America's Voting Equipment Act Tuesday. It would allow a bug bounty program called the Cooperative Hack the Election Program that would allow an annual competition to hack election equipment sorely needed in this reporter's opinion. Now, here are some more top stories. HTC announced two new versions of its HTC U11 phone. The HTC U11 Plus has a larger six inch 2880 by 1440 screen with that 18.9 and or two one aspect ratio. Smaller bezels, war on bezels is hot and hot enough. 3,930 milliamp hour battery that's bigger than the original U11. Android 8 Oreo, Google Assistant and Amazon Voice Services still has the squeezable side but now when you squeeze it you get a radial menu that can help you get quickly to certain places. A model with six gigabytes of RAM and 128 gigs of storage will come to the UK for 699 pounds November 20th. That'll cost you 799 euros in Europe. The HTC U11 Plus has no price or release date for the Asian markets yet. No ship dates for any of these. HTC also announced the U11 Life. That one's coming here to the US. It's a less expensive version of the original U11 with a smaller 1080p 5.2 inch display, Snapdragon 630 chip, 2600 milliamp hour battery at 32 gigs of storage with three gigs of RAM cost you $350 available now and hitting the store shelves on Friday or Saturday if you're Paul. It's kind of funny how many different five point whatever inch screens we just don't know.  And apparently the U11 Plus was going to be the Pixel 2 XL at some point but then Google changed their mind. That's the word on the street, yeah. So this is a Pixel quality phone. That's not a Pixel. Yeah, and will it save HTC's mobile unit? Hold your breath. It should, it's a very nice phone. This is HTC's curse. They always have very nice phones. It's a very, very nice phone. Cost prohibitive for HTC to, at this point it's like so many of the specs are like, okay, you know, everyone's kind of doing the same thing but if you can undercut some competitors then you'll move some units. I think they have to draw on their existing fan base to keep a bit of market share but there's now so much competition. It's really, really hard for them even though they are making good phones. HTC sent me the U11 when that came out and a very nice phone, not questioning that but with so many other phones coming through it is really hard for them to stand out. And somebody mentioned to me that they thought that HTC's maybe pulling out of New Zealand market so they may be doing that with some of the smaller markets and just not bothering anymore because if you've got small percentage points in a small market, pretty hard to make a profit on that. Reuters reports that Apple app developers are now allowed to request facial data from users of the iPhone 10 as long as the data is not sold to third parties. Yeah, that would be an issue. With user approval, app developers can capture the map of a user's face and then track expressions from there. This would mean the data would be stored off of the phone and on developer servers so some people are gonna have an issue with that. The data is not enough though to unlock a phone with face ID that has to go through Apple's OS itself. I'm okay with this, like they're asking for your permission. So if you just say no. To me it's not unlike being like access the camera roll. You know, one of those stories that happens whenever there is a technological kind of move forward and to be honest, we're gonna talk about it a little bit more when we get to the tech hearings on Capitol Hill, but it's scary to read it and not scary the more you know about it and the more you are understanding of how these systems work and how these systems are made better. And I agree with you. Yeah, I think it opens up a range of new software. I saw the beta of some new Snapchat that will use that data to overlay things onto your face and what not as Snapchat does today but using the 3D capabilities on the iPhone 10. And yeah, you're gonna miss out on all sorts of functionality if you don't enable that. And really it's, I guess it's just doing what connect and other things have done before but you get to allow it or disallow it. So it all makes sense to me. A team of students from MIT called Lab 6 have published a paper showing how they create a 3D adversarial images that full machine vision systems into thinking for example, a turtle is a rifle. Adversarial images are essentially optical illusions for AI and can be used as a tax on systems. For example, a yard sign that appears to be appears to a machine as a pedestrian. The big advance here is that usually rotating an object lets the machine properly recognize it and this new method works in three dimensions. Yeah, so this is crazy cool from this perspective of oh, we have gotten that good with AI that we can now start fooling it, right? It's good enough that fooling it doesn't prove it doesn't work, fooling it is an attack vulnerability. And that's what seems to be going on if I understand adversarial images, right? There are things where you're like, there's a quirk in the way the machine vision works that will make it misidentify things that we obviously would be able to tell. But it's good enough that that stands out. And so you can use that because most of the time it seems to recognize everything well, but if you construct it in just this proper way, it'll fool it. Now 2D images that was easy to mitigate against because you're like, okay, just rotate it a little, ah, okay, I see what it is now. But being able to do this with 3D images, this is a 3D image printed turtle that has just the right shadows and effects that no matter how you turn it, that machine vision was saying, yeah, rifle. Yeah, you cannot bring that turtle on the plane. Poor turtle.  Well, I mean, this is a story that will not be very scary and will probably only be talked about on shows like ours because there is no practical application to scare people right now, right? There's no way to say this is the thing that will unlock your home and let unsavory burglars in so they get all of your personal belongings. This is a interesting experiment that might be extraordinarily interesting, but no one's really put that spin on it that can make it terrifying. I mean, if you wanted to like put it into like Doomsday scenario, it's like, okay, well, if you could infiltrate some sort of autonomous vehicle software system, right?  Yeah. Okay, you know, we could get in some hot water here.  But I can see where if it got to a real world scenario where it, you know, put people and or any living thing in danger than that, that sucks. Yeah. All right. A couple of earnings reports coming in right as we're doing the show. Blizzard earnings are good. Really no news there. Net revenues were a Q3 record of $1.62 billion versus $1.5 billion, a Q3 last year. Net revenues from digital channels were a record of $1.35 billion. This is Activision and Blizzard. It's not just Blizzard. For the quarter on a non-gap basis, Activision Blizzard's operating margin was 30% and earnings per diluted share were 47 cents compared to 49 cents for last year. So a little bit down on the non-gap earnings. Dirt this. Apple earnings also in, Apple sold just as many iPhones as Wall Street expected. So it didn't disappoint. It didn't exceed. And I think a lot of people are gonna say the fact that it didn't exceed expectations as a disappointment. So get ready for that headline. Right, it's like finally, Apple's falling off. We hear this every quarter. But it did make more money on the phones that it sold. Earnings per share were $2.07 versus an expected $1.87 and revenue was $52.6 billion versus $50.7 billion. So the expected Apple horrible quarter does not seem to have manifested. So yeah, there will be more coming out of Tim Cook's earnings call after our show is done recording when we may pick up if there's anything interesting to talk about that tomorrow. Yeah, I assume that will probably be if they do any kind of hinting on iPhone 10 sales, right? Yeah, yeah. And they'll be doing forecast. I mean, they'll be forecasting earnings. And so far, it looks like the forecast for the holidays is pretty good. At least Apple's optimistic. And Apple's historically very conservative. Well, folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines at DailyTechHeadlines.com available on the Amazon Echo and the Anchor app as well. What Apple is counting on is that you're all gonna buy the iPhone 10 and make up any slow sales of the iPhone 8. Paul Spain, you've had your hands on the iPhone 10 for a couple of days, worth it? Well, that's a big question. It is certainly a big step up in price for people. And that's really the unknown for me in terms of will people step up in the sort of numbers that Apple are hoping for? And if they do, this has got to have a pretty positive impact on the share price you were just talking about. And this could be the thing that turns them into the next or the first trillion dollar company. So, yeah, I'm kind of curious where this is going to go. I think, I mean, naturally, a lot of people will be stepping up because people just like to try Apple's latest products. And it is a bit of a differentiated product from everything else that they've got. Right now, a few bits and pieces. Yes, OLED screen looks slick. The blacks are super black. You've got great contrast. But for me, I'm pretty used to our top handsets having great screens anyway. And maybe that isn't something that I particularly am looking for. The little chunk out of the screen at the top means that apps do need to be, and also the new aspect ratio, apps do need to be refreshed. And right now, most apps don't take advantage. So oftentimes, you'll fire up an app. And what you will see is that it will look much like your iPhone 8. It adds like the appearance of bezels. Yeah, so it looks as though you've got a big bezel on the top and bottom to a big degree. So that's just something to be aware of. I would imagine that the big application developers will get updates out reasonably soon. But we've already got things from the likes of Google and Microsoft that aren't leveraging the bigger screen just yet. I would have thought they would be there right out of the gate. Wireless charging, which of course is sort of the norm for a lot of other handsets. I think most people that haven't already moved to an iPhone 8 will probably appreciate that as that sort of ecosystem grows. I certainly find it really convenient just being able to drop the phone down on the wireless charger. Getting used to the lack of the home button, that's not too much of a big deal. But the big thing I think that people are really curious about is this idea of unlocking the screen without touch ID, using face ID. How well does it work? Well, there seem to be mixed reports on that and certainly my experiences are fairly mixed. I woke up this morning a bit too early and blurry-eyed looked into my phone, tried to unlock it. I'm guessing I was holding it too close to my face. That's the, I guess the testing I've done suggests holding it back a little bit further helps. So there's a tip for anyone who's struggling with unlocking the camera. I wonder if it was blurry-eyedness. Well, that could have been the case too, but I tried it with sunglasses on a couple of days ago and it works fine. So it's able to draw from varying aspects. So if it's not able to see your eyes, it seems to handle that. I did wonder whether because I scanned it with glasses on that it wasn't working so well when I didn't have my glasses on. I'm not sure about that. I think it might be to do with just how close it is to your face. So if you're very short-sighted and you need to hold your phone super close, then that could be something to be aware of. But yeah, I think it is still a little bit variable but it's much, much better than any of the other phones that I've come across that have this type of capability. And also Microsoft Surface products which use a similar technology to unlock. I'm finding that Face ID seems to be the best that we've seen yet. And it really needs to be because it is the primary way of getting into your phone. And a little bit frustrating when you need Face ID to unlock other things. So I was trying to get into a last pass this morning and my alternative to Face ID is having to put in a huge long password. So that was an ideal, but I think that the software will improve and certainly will work out what those little tricks are to make Face ID work a little bit better. The other thing is that that camera enables Portrait Mode from your front-facing camera, which is this kind of cool. Paul. Paul. How do you know the fail to the face side? Like crazy echo from somewhere. And I'm not sure where. It came out of nowhere. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Justin, go ahead. Paul, how would you compare the failure rate of Face ID to the failure rate of Touch ID? I found Touch ID was generally pretty good, but then there's situations where you've got food on your hands or your hands are wet and so on. In most everyday situations, it's probably around the same would be my guess not having, I've only used it for about two days. You are. But then the early morning wakeups I found have been the issue. And I think that I've found the trick there which is just holding the phone a little bit further away from your face. That's similar to Windows Hello with Microsoft. Because one out of 30 times, it'll tell me like you're too close. Of course, sometimes I'm not that close and it's something else, but yeah, that seems to be a feature of facial recognition. But it, yeah, you can hold it reasonably close though. So it's, yeah, but overall pretty good. Pretty good. Well, go check out Paul's write up about this at PaulSpain.com if you wanna know a little more about what's going on with the iPhone 10. We also wanna talk about the congressional testimony here in the US yesterday, representatives from Google, Facebook and Twitter sat at microphones on Capitol Hill and answered questions from US senators and representatives who showed us pictures of scary ads. Justin, what should we as people who just wanna use technology take away from all this? My recommendation would be very, very little that most of the people that are listening to this show and have a concerted interest in technology probably would not be made smarter by listening to people that do not know about how these systems work. Talk to lawyers whose job is to not say anything that could get the companies that employ them into any further legal hot water. This was an exercise as Congress's want to do in getting Congress people's face on television. And one of the most humorous moments in the hearings that I saw and I admittedly did not see all of it was and I forget which Senator, a chastising the lawyers for not, for being the ones in front of them and not the CEOs themselves. In his language, it was because they are the ones who make the decision. The way I heard it is that we would be getting far more coverage if far more famous people were answering our point of question to lawyers. Listen, this is obviously a serious issue. The idea of regulation of political ads on social networks is here. It is not coming. Either Facebook, Google, Twitter, and any other social network that pops up are going to regulate these themselves and they are going to make their own independent agency in the same way that movies created the MPAA here in America to create a self-governance body that was independent of them yet created by them or they are going to use their lobbying muscle to make the legislation that will come down as not onerous as possible for them. But these meetings here where we get a bunch of scare tactics on, you know, Facebook admitted that 140 million people might have seen Russian propaganda. That is in the way that it was covered and certainly the way that it was discussed in these hearings, half of the American population shocked in horror without really understanding that a lot of times something that is served to you is not seen by you, it is scrolled by by you, it doesn't necessarily guarantee that you have grok that information let alone made any kind of decision based on the information that you saw. And as the lawyers tried to explain, but again, they're lawyers and they have a vested interest in not getting into a firefight with Al Franken on television, they try to just move things on as fast as possible. These are oftentimes for me who covers both politics and technology, very frustrating because I don't believe that it necessarily furthers our understanding of what the right legislation should be on this, nor does it further explain to a populist that does not really understand this technology, how this technology works. Paul, I'm curious, you know, from a country that doesn't have an election that has the controversy that ours has, but because what happens in the US Congress often is used as a model around the world, how does this sit with you? Well, you know, we have a little bit of legislation around how things operate in New Zealand and the main one that people tend to fall out of line on is that they're posting on social media on election day, that happens from time to time and someone gets in a little bit of trouble around that. But I think this is an issue that could have fairly widespread impact if we don't figure out a way to get a handle on it. And I don't think it's an easy thing to manage really, but I mean, there are so many interests in political outcomes that you can imagine a lot of money could get spent, not just in the US, but in other parts of the world to manipulate outcomes. And, you know, in some cases I imagine it would be probably reasonably hard to track because these things aren't always maybe cut and dried and clear in terms of exactly what's going on. I mean, we're already dealing obviously with a lot of investment in bots to manipulate opinions, whether it's related to elections or otherwise. Are there gonna be rules that will shut those down as well? Obviously there's efforts going to stop that sort of thing, but I don't think it's something you can entirely stop. Unfortunately, regardless of what happens here, but hopefully the technology is such that it can be resolved. But what the legal lines are that can be drawn that's gonna be pretty interesting to follow, I think, and it will have global implications. I'll tell you what it looked like to me, reading the tea leaves, because I agree with you, Justin, there was a lot of posturing and a lot of, I wanna say something so that I can say something else later about what I said versus let me actually get to the problem. It does seem like there was an organized effort. You can decide for yourself, there is no evidence, you can decide for yourself how much of this effort was directed by the Russian government or not. It can't be directly connected to them, but it's connected to organizations who are known to have worked with the government. And it seems to have been sort of a vulnerability test, not a coordinated effort. The messages were sent on both sides, they were sent to disrupt people and get them angry, and not a lot of money was spent as far as ad budgets go. 123 million, 126 million reach sounds big, but like Justin said, if that's just one ad per person, that's a very ineffective ad campaign.  So $46,000 spent on advertising by one agency, $100,000 total, isn't a lot if you actually wanna have an effect, but it might be the amount you would spend if you wanna do a test, if you wanna see what works and position yourself for causing more trouble next time. And again, you can decide for yourself who this might or might not benefit, but to me, it looks like what they're doing is just like, how do we cause trouble? How do we rile some people up? Well, that certainly seems to be the aim by the Russian interests, and this is something that if you pay attention globally that they have done in other countries is not necessarily to push an agenda, but rather to sow discord by way of using the targeted data that Facebook and Twitter provide. And now, let me not mince words here. Facebook, Twitter and Google are going to, whether by legislative action or by their own doing, be more transparent about who is paying for ads and that's going to happen. All the companies have said so. Congress has said so. This is an inciting incident that will make the elections in 2018 and certainly the presidential elections in 2020 here in America look different. You are going to see icons on these ads where you're gonna be able to click and see where it was paid for. That is gonna be something that will just be there. It will create another data point, but go back to the original. There is nothing served by the grandstanding here. It will solve this problem in the same way that they solved steroids in baseball. Yeah, ask Alex Rodriguez who has a lovely broadcasting career now. Yeah. Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and of course join in on our Facebook, Facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Time to check in with the audience. You guys, what are you thinking? Sarah, what are they thinking? Well, let's check in with Bob who says, hello, Tom, Sarah, Roger, Justin, and today Paul. Regarding the HoloLens discussion from yesterday's show got me thinking about my own industry where design and eye design construct large pieces of equipment into existing high voltage stations. So kind of dangerous stuff. Having a HoloLens with actual transformers to visually see the clearances around equipment would be extremely helpful. Often we can't measure distances as the equipment needs to be remain energized to keep customers online. Therefore we can't get 20 feet up in the air.  So it's very complex. Bob says, this also led me to thinking about using the HoloLens to visualize OSHA clearances for energized work. Having a bright red zone of protection, say, to visually warn a worker to keep out of a certain radius for safe working distance would be great, really safe. It would also allow visually lane that work and equipment movement to ensure pre-planning safety de-energizes all the required equipment. So there you go.  His point about visualizing OSHA clearances and the zone of protection is brilliant. You know, there's one of the things that the HTC Vive when it launched was great at, which was telling you where the zone ended, which also helped you not run into walls and coffee tables and things like that. This, where it's even more dangerous to stray, is pretty great. Thank you, Bob, for sharing the insight. Thank you, Paul Spain, for joining us as well. If people want to find out more about that iPhone X review or anything else you got going on, where should they go? Either the NZ TechPod or NZTechPodcast.com or PaulSpain.com. Excellent. Justin, Robert Young, of course, always a pleasure to have you. You're coming back tomorrow, actually. Yeah, I'm making my way down to LA so I can come to BlizzCon over the weekend. 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Hope I didn't talk too much jumping in there. No, not at all. In fact, I wanted to keep asking you questions about the iPhone, but there were so many things to cover. Well, we can ask them in the post show if you still got questions. Well, OK. So my main question was not having the home button anymore. That's like, I'm going to get the iPhone 10 at some point. I'm just, I don't know, I'm not going to be at the front of any line to do it. So I'm just kind of waiting to see what everybody thinks. But I can't be left in the lurch. It'll happen eventually. But I don't know. It just seems like such a different UI. I wonder how easy it was for you to get used to it, and especially fast app switching and stuff. You get used to it pretty quickly. The app switching is, I guess, the main bit with the app switching is you sort of swipe up, and then you can move across. I don't know if you can see that. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, I've looked at tutorial videos and things like that. It's like, it looks like it works fine, but it is a departure from what I'm just so used to doing with my eyes closed. Yeah. I found, in fact, oh, I've just learned something new. I found when I was on the home screen that I didn't think I was able to app switch from there, because it didn't seem to be working. But I've just tried again. Maybe I wasn't pushing up quite far enough, and that does actually work. So there you go. But it does seem like a little more effort to turn it off. You've got to hit the, you know, what I would have thought was the power button and then the down, the power volume down, and then the power and the power volume up for screenshot. So, yeah, well, you think you would just hold the power button? No, you've got to, it's no longer a power button. It's the side button. So there you go. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, for those of us who screenshot lots of things. And Apple Pay is a double tap on that side button. Yeah. A little bit like with Apple Watch now. So that's not quite as easy, I think. But hey, it's not. Although actually, to be fair, the most false positives that I get with Apple Pay are when I am trying to double tap for, double tap my home button for something else or to switch an app or something like that, and it winds up coming up like that. Yeah, actually, good point.  My problem more often is, why are you trying to make me Apple Pay for something that I'm not asking for? And somewhere an Apple engineer is like, yes. Yes. There was actually a really good, you know, there've been so many iPhone X. Listen to me, iPhone X. iPhone X review unit videos and walkthroughs and hands-ons and whatever. Buzzfeed, one of the reporters there, had such a great one. And what made it so great was, she got her review unit.  Oh, god. Yeah. And I mean, it was, you know, this is the video. So you can see, and she's like, well, let's see how Face ID works over the days as this goes away. Because it was pretty dramatic. And it recognized her, you know, like it started to recognize her sort of in a disfigured way. And as the days went on, she was like, I thought I was going to start fooling it. But no, Face ID was like, I understand what happened to you. So if I get this right, did she train it with the spider bite from the beginning? Yes. The spider bite just so happened to be her first day of having the phone. Right, right. So she was like, is it going to be an issue when I go back to my regular face? Right. But it wasn't. Oh, that's why. It was just sort of like that sort of a freak use case that nobody would think of. When I get my iPhone 10, that's why I'm asking Roger to sock me in the eye.  By the way, I'm picking iPhone developer saving face as the title. That's funny. Yeah. So are there any other things that have stuck out to you, having used it for a couple of days? I guess the most disappointing thing is just that there are very few apps right now that take advantage of the full screen. Yeah. Also, the video watching experience that, yeah, doesn't tend to take advantage of the full screen. But I haven't. I don't watch a lot of video on on the iPhone. I suppose YouTube and bits and pieces, but not something where I'm wanting to watch a full movie, that sort of scenario. So imagine that's the case where, you know, if you were doing if you were doing that, then having a little chunk out of the side of the screen might annoy you a little bit. But overall, it's here we go now. It's not unlocking. I wonder if it's the microphone in the way or what it is. OK, let's try. Now, this face ID is not not playing ball. At all. So it's nervous. Hmm. Yeah, I think so. So hmm. So I but I imagine there's a software aspect to that that now they've got a much bigger base of users on than they would have had in the weeks prior that they'll probably tweak that a little bit over time anyway. Yeah, there seems to be a little bit of a you're holding it wrong thing kind of happening now where you've seen some criticism with face ID and others who believe it's a great technological step forward are like, no, you're just not doing it right. You shouldn't be trying to wake it up. You should be just holding it and not thinking about it. You have to be in a Zen state. Yeah, on that holding it front, I was I was holding it probably a bit like or a bit like this for a Skype call a couple of nights ago. And then I would get feedback from the other side, saying, Paul, we can't hear you. We haven't been able to hear you for the last 10 or 15 seconds. And I guess the microphone is as they're covering it rather than being on the front. And so it's actually quite easy to to put your put your hand or put your finger over the mute feature. The yeah, yeah, it's not feature. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we're getting back into this. You're holding it wrong thing, which is kind of kind of your face is wrong. Yeah, I need to chop a couple of fingers off. And then I won't have an issue with blocking the microphone. So I mean, if you really care about the proper experience.  But, you know, let's say you have like significant damage. Would would it still work? It's a theoretical. It's not a practical criticism. But yeah, but it does like, I mean, my my example of the spider bite is like spider bite goes away slowly, right? Yeah, yeah, started.   Yeah, that would probably be an issue. But again, hopefully it's not a widespread issue. Well, yeah, like if you have a big nose job, apparently that that won't set it off.  It's horrible to think about. I don't think these are really big problems in the world. No, no, these are definitely not practical issues. I'm not trying to say they are. I'm just it's still just curious. This is not a by decision. Like, I don't know if I lose my nose, it might not work. That the question is, guys, it's a lot of money. I think it's because people really want to break it. Like, Pete, there's a there's a desire to break that feature. How far does it go? People are people are very desirous to make face ID not work. And that's if you look at like a lot of the coverage that's gotten the biggest social traction, it's all we gave twins. We tried to get twins to full face ID. And we got young triplets and boy triplets and girl quadruplets. And then they were young and old and apples. Like, we told you, it doesn't really work with twins. We told you that. Well, I'm trying to claim. And it seems as if, you know, the it is most vulnerable to young twins that that adult which is even less of an issue, right? Like, yeah, that they're going to have two iPhone 10s. So Mary Kate and Ashley won't have a problem. Well, I mean, that's a hand to when you're sleeping. Well, he's actually sleeping. Somebody's fine if they're asleep. Yeah, but their eyes have to be open and looking at it, right? Well, if it works through sunglasses, I'm not. No, it works through sunglasses because of infrared.  Can if they were remaking weekend at Bernie's, could they unlock Bernie's iPhone?   And it was like, it doesn't really work that way. So I don't want to get probably not a practical problem. Just guy who's been dead for 40 years is going to be. Well, he won't. He wouldn't have face ID anyway. Well, no, this would be going to remake it. There's a new weekend at Bernie's 10. Well, no, I hope they do. I don't know. I was like, come on. Hey, I remember watching the first one or thinking like, they should never, ever do another one of these movies ever. It was just it. I understand it was a comedy, but I was like, I was kind of groaning. I'm going to I'm going to I'm just going to Google search weekend at Bernie's remake and just see any weekend at Bernie's 10. Right. It's got to be the name. Why don't they do in the first one, which was a long time ago? It that wasn't a good movie either. It was or would it be would it be Monday at Bernie's Tuesday at Bernie's? Like, are you saying that the universe is ripe? Yeah, that 430. Well, would it be a Netflix show? She had Memorial. The trailer made it made it look as though it might be entertaining. I never saw the movie. So I think I'll just leave it at that for now. I actually saw the movie. I rented it on VHS. The best thing that that came up here was a pitch. Somebody movie phone dot com. Tried to pitch a weekend at Bernie's remake where they posited it would be. What's his but Bradley Cooper and Kevin Hart, of course. Yeah, Alan Arkin as Bernie. Yeah. Alan Arkin. Oh, that's not right. Yeah. No, I don't think because Bernie wasn't really old, right? He was like, he was he was he was he was. No, no, he was younger than that. He was like in his late 40s. You guys. No, no, he was like he was like skewering the like greed is good, like 80s power businessman. Yeah, wasn't that a 60 year old dude? Terry Kaiser. All right, well, Terry Kaiser was born in 1939. He played Bernie, which came out in 1989. He was exactly 50. Yeah. Right. I was probably so young that just anyone. Anyone who was older than 30 looked old to me. You thought Andrew McCarthy was old. And they pitched Wayne as the as as as the the director. Which actually now I'm interested in this if David Wayne was doing because I love David Wayne. They should actually turn it into kind of a horror slash thriller movie instead of just a comedy. Well, it was the original one was a black comedy, right? It was a black comedy, but it wasn't like a comedy. So it wasn't like a comedy.  That's kind of a black comedy. Yeah, in the sense where it's like this is just kind of gross. Yeah. It was it was definitely billed as a funny movie. Yeah, I never understood. Like, isn't rigor mortis supposed to set it at some point where he's just a stiff. Not if you keep him loose at one point. Well, I saw a day stop working with the body. You know what they they should try it with the cadaver and see how far the body degrades before. Want to know what that's I'm texting my buddy Steve at Business Insider. They got to get this is a viral video waiting to happen. I I definitely want to see weekdays at Bernie's the new Netflix reboot series. And it's just Bernie got home hanging out. I wonder what reaction I would get if I just tweeted Will Face ID work with Corpse and then just link colon and just no link under any. I couldn't get a response out of Apple when I did actually fire that question at them. I just record something around, you know, fingerprint recognition.  And so that that triggered the question. But yeah, I think it probably it probably wouldn't. Right. Because isn't there an element of heat mapping? Then that's why masks won't work. Oh, yeah, because they did a whole lot of mask tasting, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. So if you wear a mask, it doesn't work or it still works if you have a mask. No, no, you can't wear a mask. Even if it's a really written, isn't that the whole point of a mask to disguise your appearance? Yes. But it works. But it doesn't work for Face ID. You disguise. No, it does work. It disguises your appearance and Face ID can unlock. As Sarah pointed out, pull out the flute because you have to go mask off. Perfect Apple music licensing. Finally. Future gets. Why haven't they got all this? Tom's like, what are we talking about? Ah, I'm Bernie. OK, folks, thank you all for joining us. Don't forget to watch See It or Skip It on Facebook. Watch it's the amazing new show that totally is just accidentally also produced by my wife, but is really good. No, and I'm not even joking. It's really good. 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Next question is from Fredrickson855 what do you guys think about complexes when it comes to building muscle? So now let me get this straight. I'm gonna ask you Justin because it's kind of like a performance thing. It is. Now how many exercises constitutes a complex? It's a complex. Yeah that's a good question. I would say three but I mean I could be wrong. Look it up Doug. Yeah look it up. Yeah because then it becomes circuitry. Because then we just basically stack some of these exercises together to make the make the overall exercise more difficult obviously so it's like you're basically super setting but it's usually in a way where you have a like one you either have a barbell you have dumbbells you have kettlebells there's different ways you can do it but it's not like you're replacing it you're trying to use the same equipment to pull off these moves and usually starts with like deadlift goes into squat goes into an overhead press goes into a back loaded squat and then they there's kind of creative variations from there. Yeah I feel like this is not feel like I the benefit of this really is about strength stamina strength endurance. Yeah it's a work capacity. Exactly yeah even better way to say it. Does this contribute to muscle building? Not directly. I don't think it directly it's a great way to build muscle however if you improve your work capacity and your capacity to handle higher reps and move from what exercise to exercise could that contribute to building more muscle when you do more traditional type lifting I'd say yes. I mean intermittently using this as a tool sure I like it for using that as your your your way of training most of the time terrible idea. I mean that's but if building muscle is your goal right. Yeah building muscle or strength building muscle or strength you're going to be better off with straight sets and long rest periods and one lift yeah just plain simple all the research supports that does that not mean that you get some benefits from running a complex a circuit a superset a triset all these different ways of combining exercises in a routine yeah there's value to it but the more and more you keep adding to that you you you start to sway over to work capacity endurance stamina and that becoming the major adaptation and not building strength and muscle is the number one adaptation yeah you know it's funny is that Doug's been pulling up articles on complexes and this is what I this is what I thought that's why I wanted to you know just confirm the word complex in our space is been used to replace circuit because circuit sounds like you know it sounds like aerobic class aerobics it doesn't sound tough right so what they're doing now is calling it works on me yeah like oh complex is totally different no because like he pulled up an article here's a here's a nine exercise barbell complex right sounds better than a nine exercise barbell circuit that's why I think it's crap it's crap for the most part intermittently using it you short on time one day and you want to do a cool complex to get your workout in 20 minutes sure do it otherwise something with kettlebell outside you know it's just good to change it up but yeah it's totally a novelty so this is like a novelty workout that you can do every occasionally and and get some benefit from it but yeah it's not something you want to stick with this is what CrossFit calls it all time right oh I got this new barbell complex I'm doing that super cool yeah it's like part of their lingo that's where it came from because otherwise we would just call it shitty circuit training that's what we called it two decades they stole everything from shitty circuit trainers yeah thank you I the most exercises I think you should combine for now forget performance stamina work capacity I think you could put together complexes but they have to be programmed really well it's rare that I see a really well programmed combination of four or more exercises but let's just say your goal is to build muscle the most exercises you probably should combine or two I think a superset you can do that pass that it starts to really tap into that cardio component where it becomes very very much about endurance yeah and let's us the goal is like yeah it is durability yes and you know that's part of the adaptation you're seeking like it's you know it's one of those other tools you can pull out and and go for it and by the way if you're if you're listening and I know I just shit all over complexes and maybe that's the way you train all the time if you're consistent with it you love doing it you're good at your form and technique and it's what keeps you coming back and training all the time like okay that's got value to it because you like doing it and you have fun with it then by all means go ahead and keep it but if you're going to get a question like this where you ask me straight up is it good for building building muscle or building strength compared to straight sets no no yeah