I'm so excited today. I have my friend Adam here. Adam is also a part of the S&P here in the Atlanta community. A lot of you guys probably recognize him. He sent a video clipping about his experience in Hawaii a couple of weeks ago, which was awesome about some legends in Hawaii. And Adam is also, for you guys who look in the description box every video, his novel is always placed in the description box. A few months ago, we explored the very vast topic of multiverses and the mandala effect. And Adam has written a novel about it. And this is a topic that I'm really, really fascinated in because I personally don't believe reality is what we think it is. There's way more to this matrix than we actually know. And so Adam has some really awesome opinions and I love hearing other people's opinions and their experiences in our world that we share together. And so welcome to the show, Adam. Thanks, Bryce. Thanks for having me. For starters, do you wanna tell anybody a little bit about yourself, your background? Yeah, sure. I'm Polish, but my background is international. Part of my family was from the US, which is partly the reason why I was inspired to write my novel because our ways diverged many, many years ago before the Second World War actually, but I still know that they were there in New Jersey, to be exact. And that's basically, I'm interested in languages. I'm a linguist, which is why I'm fascinated by how languages shape our minds. And that's, well, I'm a traveler. Well, right now I can't travel, right? Because of COVID, whatever you think about it, but it's, you know, we can't really move anywhere. But yeah, that's about me. And I like tennis. Yeah, I like tennis. I grew up in a tennis family too. So, before we get into your novel, for those who are new to the channel, and I will link in the description box below, not only all of Adam's contacts, but I will also link videos that we've done in the past over multiverses. So if somebody's new to this channel and they have no idea what a multiverse is, will you explain to our viewers what a multiverse is? Yeah, the way I see it, because there are very many theories, right? But the way I see it, anything you can imagine happens somewhere in some kind of reality. Basically every second we make decisions, right, in our lives, and there is a new reality created. And I realize it may sound esoteric in many ways, because we just experienced one reality, but actually when you think about it, I think it's fascinating that there could be an infinite number of realities and they exist concurrently simultaneously, right? That's actually what physicists are talking about now. So it's not just some fiction. It's actually quite possible that that's the case. And I find it fascinating because you can think about anything you want, and then you think about, okay, what if I exist here? What if I exist there? What if I get snatched somewhere else, right? I've taken somewhere else, for example. This is really, it's fascinating. Or even the topic of schizophrenia, right? What is that? Could it be that we experience it somehow, that some people experience it and they can't tune it out? And that's why their senses get messed up. It's a fascinating topic essentially. Absolutely, it's absolutely fascinating. And I know when I was studying, for every topic I cover, I do so much more research than I actually present on this show as most people, probably as you have done with your writing and most people do that create content. Your research is just so much more than you actually present. And I read countless stories of people who had experienced this idea of a multiverse where they fell into an alternate reality, where they existed as well, but the people and the situations were a little bit different. Dramatically different, yeah. Yeah, when people have these experiences, it's life changing for people because it shakes your world, the comfort of your world is shook a little bit. So you have to kind of accept there's a different possibility out there. Have you had any experiences where you think you've shifted into and out of a different dimension or multiverse? Well, I would say that it could be the case, yes. And I kind of describe it in the novel, but of course it's fiction, right? When I hypothesize what could happen. But experiences like that, when we talk about the Mandela effect, whether it's real or not, it's difficult to tell. But to prove it 100%, I can't, of course, but I would really like to believe that's the case. For example, I had some EVPs, electronic voice phenomenon, and I was thinking whether it's possible that it's, what are ghosts, right? Could it be that I'm recording somehow some alternate reality, right? In my novel, I sort of touch upon this topic where I mentioned that there are these absurdist parts where people are snatched and they are taken somewhere else. I have this funny German part where people are taken and they are turned into Germans and they have this pencil skirt uniforms, the lettos. They get German names and it's absurdist, right? Because it's to show that what happens, right? In some Kafka-esque scenario, like Kafka wrote in the Limit Morphoses, right? Where the main, the hero turned, the protagonist turned into a cockroach, basically. And so I kind of played on that, right? I imagine what would happen if I get snatched like this, right, somewhere? What would, how would my life change? What my, what would my perspective be like, right? Or when I went back, right, here to our reality, what would happen, right? So this is a fascinating topic. But to really tell you that if I could prove in court, no, I don't really have that kind of experience, unfortunately, but I would definitely, definitely enjoy it if I could have a kind of experience because it would validate so much, right? Yeah, absolutely, insane. There's no way I could prove this, any of this in court as well. But it is, especially when you read other people's experiences, and we've all had, you know, moments of deja vu, or we'll get into the mandal effect a little bit into this because that also plays into that as well. And a lot of us have experienced these kind of phenomenons where you're sitting there and how you remember, and with the mandal effect, it's not just you remembering something that's happened differently than the narrative is today, but it's usually not just you, because it's just you, it could be a misremembering, but there will be people all over the world that you don't know that will carry exact same memory as you. And so who knows if that means that there's multiverses happening, or if there's a skip in the timeline, or people can travel back in time and change things. Exactly, and if I may stop here, for example, in my noble, that's why I thought what I write about that you have a scenario where you are not in contact with let's say with your family member, right? And let's say you have this chance that you cross over to some other reality. And there's this person, you may not even know that you crossed over and suddenly you are in touch, right? You are somewhere and there are no issues, and suddenly what's going on here, right?  Because they are pretending to be someone else in essence, right? They are themselves yet not themselves. You know what I'm saying, right? So this other person sees you and they don't know that, right? So I think that's really a very, very interesting topic in itself, right? And with that kind of touches upon the Mandela effect, I guess, because people change their personalities, right? In some cases, of course it could be natural, but it could be even more interesting. And will you tell our viewers, I know some of them have heard me talk about it, where does the Mandela effect get its name? Can you explain to them the story? Yeah, this is the Mandela, of course, was the South African hero, right? And he died and not remember exactly when the diversion was, but people basically say that he died in different years, right? Some people say that in the 80s, I think, some other people say it's... Like remember him dying in prison. Yeah, and prison and others would tell you that it's not the case, you know, and basically that's where it stems from, right? And then it basically touches on every other aspect of reality, right? And there's this Berenstein, right? Berenstein, right? Did he want to hear? Yeah, in other figures, yeah. But you know, I try to look at this topic on like the middle ground, let's say. So the psychiatrists and psychologists, they could be onto something as well. It could be a misremembering things that we just want to ascribe meaning where there is none. So it's kind of difficult to tell whether it's actually real, right? But it's definitely fascinating because there are so many aspects to identity, right? That's what I write about in the sense that of course the Mandela effect is definitely part of it. It's a part of this topic, definitely. And I know, you know, as we move, you know, we've talked about on Esoteric Atlanta, we've, you know, for people who follow astrology, these, we're moving at the age of Pisces and to the age of Aquarius. So our timeline is switching in a sense. And if I may, and the Chinese astrology is different, right? Because I have some Chinese connections as well. And this is interesting as well. I think the year of the ox is upon us now. And they have a different view. And if I may add here, because what I've noticed with some people is that it's kind of weird because they believe in astrology so much that they would actually say, I'm not going to deal with that person.  Like, this is just like taking us to another level. Right. And I will say too, because people who are like that, yeah, you are missing part of the point because we are so multifaceted as humans. If you do, and I know a good bit about astrology, but I also had my Vedic chart done, which is from the East, and it's a little bit different, you know? So there's nothing's ever really set in stone. There's always shades of gray. And if you're looking at your own personal astrology, you have moonshine, sunsign, there's all sorts of different elements that create you. And I know scientists will say that we have 97% junk DNA, which I don't believe is actually junk. I believe that there's something to that. And then when you get into this- They're for me, definitely, yeah. Right, and then you get into this whole, like when you start to look at the idea of multiverses, you also get into the idea of time travel, of what is time really, which you start getting to towering, sign stuff, and then you get into Tesla stuff. Yeah, and actually, if I may, there was the junk tater. It was kind of like some forums many years ago, this kind of alleged traveler, time traveler, right? He mentioned that, well, I like this idea that when you time travel, you're actually going to another dimension. It's not really that you're going back. So for example, if you wanted to kill your grandfather, right, then what would happen? You would just create another reality where this grandfather would be dead, but it wouldn't be like here, right? You know, it would just split. So that's what I like, that you're actually traveling between dimensions. It seems like you're going back in time or forward, but actually, you're not. You're just traveling to different dimensions. I like this idea, personally. Yeah, there's a lot of, because I spent a lot of time in India, deeply studying, spent my life deeply studying, you know, do punish odds and all these deep old Indian texts, which I know Albert Einstein studied them a lot as well. And there is this kind of theory that time is not linear, that it is dimensional. And especially, I know growing up in Poland, you probably have this as well, but growing up here in the South in America, my mom's family is from Charleston, South Carolina, very haunted city. We have experience with ghosts. Oh, yeah. A ton of videos on my channel about ghost stories. And that is also a theory as well that you just mentioned earlier, that it's not ghosts you're experiencing, but it's like a different time dimension of reality happening concurrently with the modern time we're in now. You know, this place is perfect for haunting. This country's history is so crazy. It's so insane. Like when you look even at Warsaw, that was basically destroyed, 85% was just destroyed, 200,000 people dead, even in the city alone.  It's like, even the name Warsaw, it really did see war. I mean, this is crazy when you think about it. So yeah, there are even graveyards here, right? People fought the Nazis, basically. This is crazy, right? So when you experience that, like that's why I recorded my EVP in 2003, actually. And what was interesting is that it was addressing me directly. It was a female voice. And the way it structured itself, it inserted itself in between people. Like there were live voices, like I could identify, I could hear it, right? Because there were normal people talking, a live people talking. And then there was this voice and it was like a melodic voice, floating voice. It was really, really interesting. It was definitely some sort of intelligence behind it, whatever it was. And I find it fascinating. And that's why when I thought, what is that? Is it some kind of, you know, I just wanna hear it because that was my intention. Or is it just some kind of other connection here? What could it be, right? Just speculation, but it's fascinating. It's, and it's all, and that's one thing too, guys, that we were all just speculating. Like we're all speculating after our own ideas and theories. We don't really have a way to prove this. Maybe one day we will, but I know this is actually for those who research multiverses, there are scientists out there that study this. This is not, is it? Yeah, and about scientists.  I know people like that because, oh, okay, I thought it was, it's okay, right, okay. Yeah, we're good. Okay, and so I'm fortunate that I'm surrounded by skeptics, by real, you know, real skeptics. And some are just materialists, so I know that when I talk about something, they'll just dismiss it. They don't wanna talk about it, right? It doesn't matter to them. They just know, no spirituality, nothing, just, you know, materialism, right? So it's really interesting, but some other scientists, they're definitely open to this possibility, right? That there are multiverses, infinite number of realities, so it's actually a lie when someone says that no self-respecting scientist. Now it's a lie, there are many scientists that are very much respected, and they talk about it. So it's either, you know, it's either ignorance or they are doing this on purpose, that trying to manipulate you, that trying to sell you this idea that no, they don't talk about it. No, they do, they do. Do you think that this idea of multiverses scares certain people? Like, there's a fear? Oh, definitely. And maybe that's why we... Even on a comedic level, I imagine seeing yourself, right, your successful, for example, I played the piano when I was like 10, right? But then I stopped, the teacher just wasn't very good, and I had to stop. We broke up, so basically that was the, it was just, didn't make any sense, right? There was no chemistry between us, right? If you wanted to play it that way. So I imagine myself sometimes, what if I met my other self that actually kept me playing, right? Now that would be probably for me here, that would probably make me a bit self-conscious, I would imagine, right? Because then I would be a virtuoso somewhere else, and here I am, my skills are basically not existent. So when you think about it that way, it's fascinating as well, right? Not just this kind of out there very advanced, you know, CERN level, but the basic one as well, right? Just the very, about the same time, you could ask your other self, I like this idea as well, right? But you ask your other self that already has, for example, I want to publish this book, my other self has already done that, right? So I ask my other self, can you tell me what did you do, what have you done, right? Can you explain it to me? That's fascinating as well, right? Totally, absolutely. And we do, we take many, I play the piano as well as a child, we have a lot in common with our childhood, but we have lots of different paths that if everybody just sits back for a moment and thinks about their life, their childhood, their early 20s, all that kind of, all these different paths that have been taken, even when it comes down to you like, I don't have children, you don't have children either, do you? No children? Like, but think about all the different relationships, I don't have kids either, but think about all the different relationships you've been on and if you had stayed with one partner, who would have then exist from that reality versus going with it? Yeah, this woulda, coulda, shoulda, right? This kind of like, it's nice, but at the same time, it could get you kind of depressed. You need to be careful about it because then you realize if I'd known about that, you know, so and so many years before you're, you know, I would have done, you know what I'm saying, right? This is kind of like- The journey is where the fun is anyway, not the destination. So that, there's another theory as well that I wanna kind of get into with you a little bit, even before we even get into your novel because when you look at multiverses, you kind of open up Pandora's box, right? There's so much to it, you know? And there's this idea that we've been talking a lot about with David Zublik about, you know, in these band Heretical Gospels that reincarnation was taught in the early Christian church. It was very Eastern, Eastern thought. And I've been around it a lot with the studying in India. And part of me, you know, there's also another theory that is not necessarily reincarnation, but it's that your actual soul or whatever we consider to be a soul, that eternal part of you actually splinters off and lives all these different lives. And so- Exactly. And it gets even more complicated if I may add here because, you know, DID dissociative identity disorder, right? What I think about is when someone dies, and let's assume that our consciousness survives, what happens to all these personalities, right? Do they integrate? What's going on here, right? So soul, yes. But even on that level, right? We have different personalities. And even on level of one personality, we have, you know, personas. We wear masks, right? Et cetera, et cetera. Imaginary friends. What if some friends aren't imaginary? What if it's some sort of dimensional interference, right? So it's fascinating. And I thought about it, actually, that soul fragments itself and it experiences itself, basically, in different realities, in an infinite number because to me, if I can add here, there are two options, right? The way I see it. There is inner oblivion or there is infinite possibility. Nothing else makes sense to me. Just doesn't make any sense, right? That's my personality, right? So we have these two options, right? And so if there is this, you know, if we survive, then in my opinion, it's infinity, right? And that's how I see it. So I try to connect, link the atheists and, you know, the more metaphysical approach, basically, that way. Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. And I agree with you as well. And are you familiar? There's a researcher out there by the name of Jason Q. I don't know him. I've never filmed with him, but we have mutual contacts and I watch him. And he's done this crazy amounts of research and he, when he starts to speak, he says stuff. Sometimes I have to like write it down and go back and look it up. But he talks about how it's just like very matter of fact that we don't die. Like we don't actually die, you know? So if we're changing bodies, then who's to say we aren't also changing in dimension as well. And this is just an aspect of our life that we are not aware of because they say we only use 10% of our brain. Well, what happens if we use more of our brain? What happens if the other 97% of our DNA would become activated? What would we experience? Because we're already kind of experienced, people are experiencing these weird phenomenons anyway. And it does change you. When you have an experience like that, it does change your perspective a little bit, you know? So what do you think happens when we die from your own personal opinion? When our body dies, what do you think actually happens? Okay, so as I said, I see two options here. It's either it's oblivion, unfortunately, or it's an infinite possibility. I'd say that what I subscribe to the view that whatever we believe would probably happen. So that's what I think, but with the white light, I also subscribe to the view. It could be a trap. I don't dismiss it. And to me, it's interesting. I wrote about it in my novel actually, that what would happen if you just didn't go to that light, right? It's kind of an iconoclastic concept. And then I imagine, let's say we're incarnate with your knowledge intact with your previous life. How would this, well, it could mess you up, right? Because you couldn't express yourself. And then you would be subjected to another process of socialization. Let's say I die, let's say, and I go to some other dimension. And let's say I get, you know, in some other dimension, South Korea, for example, right? Where I'm socialized as a Korean girl, for example, right? And I remember my previous life. So that would probably be a serious, you know, what's going on, right? So maybe that's why we don't remember, but I don't buy this idea that we don't remember because it's forever good. I think there is something else going on here. I like this, this idea. And yeah, so basically that's how I see it, right? Again, with EVPs, there are many possibilities, right? Let's say it's just some interference. It could be demons, whatever that is, right? Arkans, if you want to call it that. Or it could be that, you know, we are actually communicating with some other life forms in other dimensions, or it could be just our, you know, dead relatives, et cetera, right? So there are various possibilities here, but for some reason I like the idea that we are communicating with the alternate reality somewhere. For some reason, I think that's a fascinating idea. And there was a show, Fringe, many years ago, I mean, 2012, and they had this window of sorts, right? Where you could look into other universes without them being aware of it. So perhaps that's what EVPs are in a way.  About to me, EVPs do indicate that there could be, that it could be some sort of, maybe not proof, but it could be telling us there is more and it could be, you know, because you can't explain it, like not every single EVP can be explained. So I think that's fascinating and worth pursuing, basically. So what, for you, for your own personal life, whatever you care to share, what's the craziest experience that you personally have had where you're like, wait a minute, something weird has happened that's not in our own dimension, if that makes sense. What's your craziest experience? My craziest experience, well, I'd say that Hawaii experience was pretty good, the recording there. There were some other experiences there as well, because apart from this recording, we did observe some strange people. I mean, it was many years ago, but they were, they kind of appeared, they walked around and then they disappeared. It's difficult to explain, because I was part of a group, right? And they were not part of this group. They just appeared, they walked around, and they're just gone, and everyone was, where are they? What's going on? There's no way that they just could have, you know, walked somewhere or no, no. So it was really, really interesting on that level. I can't tell you what that was, but I wasn't the only one who saw it. There were many, many others. That was definitely interesting. There was another case of a possible haunting, and there was a police officer, a detective, who said, I don't know if I can say it. I don't believe this BS, right, basically, but I can't dismiss what someone else, my friend told me, right, he was another fellow police officer. And that basically, he got a message from the other officer that there was something going on, this other officer was terrified, whatever that was. So that was interesting as well. But fortunately, there were no experiences, you know, that where I get snatched is a modern reality, like in my novel, because that would definitely suck, like in this German example and so on. But to tell you the truth, I don't dismiss anything. I don't ignore anything. I'm open to any possibility, right? But at the same time, I keep my critical senses intact. So I'm the kind of person that would tell you this. You need to know about the tax law, and you can talk about the universe, right? I'd say both are equally as important. So that's the approach. I'm fortunate to be in an environment where I'm surrounded, as I said, by scientists, by engineers, people who are very much a matter of fact, but they still, some of them are open to various possibilities, right? Because they talk about this division when you have a humanist person and a scientist, right? You know what I'm saying? I don't like this division, right?  And that's a good example as well, because when I talk about it, some people say as physicists, they say, well, why are you interested in this? I thought you were just, you liked writing and so on. They can't add it together. They can't make the world. Yeah, there's some people that's just too difficult. They can't do that. So that's definitely an intriguing aspect as far as psychology as well. Yeah, and I feel like that's kind of been pushed on us a little bit to divide the two. If you look back at our ancient answer, they married the two, you know? And I come from a family of doctors and they're scientists, right? Doctors are scientists, but I find that doctors for the most part tend to be the group of scientists that believe more in the spiritual aspect because of things they've witnessed in there. And there's certain things that don't, it's all practicing medicine you could have 10 patients that respond to one treatment and then have this one patient that has this different response. And then, you know, doctors will say, even the atheist doctors will say, like the people that pray, heal the fastest. Right. Is that how we're of the mind or is there a, you know, and I will say too, one of my favorite quotes is from Aristotle. And it was, it is a sign of an intelligent mind when you can entertain an idea without accepting it. Without accepting it, yeah. That's something. Yeah, well, we're able, you know, to think about that. We're a lot, there are many people who can't do that, unfortunately, as you know, it's really difficult. Yeah.  And I called God a self-aware, ascension, infinite intelligence, for example, right? And to some people, that's just, no, no, they don't understand what are you talking about, right? So, no, I avoid it, if I see that, and you can tell it really fast, right? If you know what to look for, you can tell it really fast. Is it judging people? Yes, on some level, but you judge, okay? Let's be honest. I don't buy into this, we don't judge. Yes, we do judge, okay? Even when you say you're done judge, you actually do judge at the same time, so. Yeah. And some judgment is good.  Oh yeah, definitely. Actually, when I was in China, there was this, they have the rickshaw, and it's like a three-wheeler, you know, kind of, and there was this guy, and he wanted me to go, just for some reason, he wanted me to go somewhere, you know, get on that rickshaw and go somewhere. And I got this vibe, no, don't do that, right? He was really, because usually they're really friendly, and when you say no, they, you know, they just ride or drive away, but this guy just was insistent, right? But I knew, my intuition told me, stay away, so my Mandarin isn't very good, but he understood the message, right? So it's some really strange people out there, basically. Yeah, and we all have that sixth sense we need to pay attention to, because it's important, in situations like that, that's good judgment. When you feel that something's not right, and you need to leave, like, that's a good judgment call because you don't, that's your critical thinking.  And that consciousness is part of your critical thinking skills that allows you to develop your own ideas, which I think we lack big time in our society today, this idea of critical thinking, of being able to, and that's what I see about science too, anyway. Science, in my opinion, I'm not a scientist, but in my opinion, it's taking a theory and then doing everything you can to disprove that theory. So you can find solid proof you can for a theory, you know, and yeah, that's, I love what you say here because it is, and it is fun to explore all these topics because we've all experienced something abnormal in our lives that we can't expect. Yeah, I met two kinds of scientists.  And the second type is open to possibilities. They still have this mind, which I like, you know, the critical mind, but they're open to various possibilities. So they have no problem. Let's say you can have a scientist and an artist at the same time.  That's impossible, right? No, of course it happens. I mean, it's okay, right? It's a not, we're not, you know, it's not black and white. There are, sometimes there are shades of gray in life. Absolutely. That's what happens. In fact, in most cases probably. And to some people, that's just, they can't rub their minds around it. It's too difficult, they can't do that. That's what actually my favorite part about like human beings and getting to know people is that you can't put a person into this box because every person I've gotten to know in my life, there's just so many different facilities within them and there's so many different. That's true, Bryce, but at the same time, I'm sure you've met people that they just see you and they say, oh yeah, you're this. You're that. Yeah, absolutely. I have people, I told them, please don't classify me like this and they say, they told me, well yeah, but I classified you like this and that's what you are.   So yeah, it's kind of tricky. You know, I usually try to distance myself or kept contact if I can, but you don't always, you know, you can't always do that, right? So it's more difficult.  Yeah, sorry, I mentioned this here. No, no, that's fine. That's fine. I just won't let people know and I talked to Adam about it because we talked about narcissism and I know I've brought that up on the channel a couple of times. That's fascinating to me, like personality disorders like that, borderline personalities. Very fascinating. I've had experience and I know you've had experience like totally understand what you're saying. And we are gonna do a part two on that and get into that because we see that a lot in our world today. But yeah, most people who are pretty healthy-minded and not like toxic, they'll have, you know, people are so fat. Their psychology is so fascinating because they'll have so many different shades of their person out and you're right. You'll have somebody in there doing microbiology and then they'll come home and they'll paint all night. You know? Like my grandfather was a surgeon.  You know, so you see this like this yin and yang in people and to marry the left side of the brain and the right side of the brain together to have a more balanced approach. And if I may add about yin and yang, I actually, I exchanged emails with a Korean woman and she told me that actually the reason that for example in China and Korea and other Asian countries where girls are still at a disadvantage in many cases is because of that yin and yang. She said that yang is masculine, right? That it represents the summer and yin, she said it's feminine because it represents passivity, et cetera. It's stereotypical feminine traits. That's how she explained it. And that's why she said that this discrimination that takes place in Asia even today, it predates Confucianism. So it's even older than Confucianism. And I found it fascinating, right? Because you know, they're even in China, even today, you have this ratio, this imbalance is there, right? They're not as dramatic as it was, but it's still there. So just what I thought. That's interesting. That's super interesting. Well, let's get into your novel. So again, Adam has written this incredible novel, like he's an incredible writer. And it's my mission to get him out there because the publishing world is a very, I know it's a very hard world to get into. Oh, yeah. Really fun. But I'm hoping as we, you know, my whole thing, Ram Dass, who was a spiritual teacher, he used to say, we're all just walking each other home. Like, we're all here together as humanity. And our job is to like, I mean, Adam's novel, if y'all have not read it, I mean, it's unbelievable. And so I kind of wanted you to get kind of this story about when did you, let's first talk about, let's talk about the matter first. When did you first start writing this novel? And when did you have the idea to say, I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna create this story based around this concept? Right. Well, many, many years ago, I was always a curious person. I never had this moment when I woke up and some people say, I was always like that. And I just keep writing and, you know, I kept changing writing. It wasn't a process like linear process. It really took years, right? And I probably could still edit in places here and there. You could always do that. But at some point you got to say, well, that's what this is. We've got to move on because, you know, you can just do it and do it forever, right? It's not gonna get you anywhere. So in my case, it was a continuous process, was many, many years, right? Just changing this, changing that, you know, adding this, adding that, posting it here. Let's see what people say. And usually very positive, right? When I read it, et cetera. And then just moving on, right? But I was never really satisfied. Something was missing. So I just added this, I did here. After a while, I said, okay, that's more or less what I wanted, right? Because I'm my worst critic. And so it's, you know, you always try to find some, you know, flaws as you probably can imagine when you write. But yeah, I'm satisfied. Let's put it this way. Yeah. And I thank you for the kind words really mean a lot. Thank you. He, Adam's a really good job in this story of talking about these, creating this fictional story, these fictional people, but using this concept of multiverse in a way that's very understandable for the reader. That does a good job of using a fictional story to help open people's minds up to possibilities that are represented in the story. Because that's what's fascinating about it. You know, when we're talking about the multiverse, it's fictional, but at the same time, it could be real, right? Because we're talking about infinity. So it's fascinating. And I like this ambiguity, this, you know, when you read this, you kind of, well, is there some truth to this, right? And people ask me about it. And that's what I want.  Well, I don't want to drag it out too much. Like in some cases, TV shows, for example, where they talk about, there's one TV show, I won't mention which one, where they talk about a certain person's identity, right? Who this person actually is. And we don't know, it just keeps going on and going on forever and ever, right? So I want to avoid that as well. But yeah, I wanted to, some people just didn't like the fact that, you know, that two daughters, two daughters, maybe, you know, especially women for some reason, they weren't very pleased with it, I don't know why. But I thought it was a good idea, right? You just have two daughters there. And yeah, I really like it. And to me, that was an intellectual exercise, right? My mind needed this, you know, this kind of like, like my yoga, it's- Yeah, exploration, yeah, yeah. Exploration, yeah. You're giving the reader the opportunity to formulate their own critical thinking skills. You're not, that's one thing I, again, if I could redo our educational system and bring it back to a more organic way of people learning, it's teaching people how to think, not what to think. And you're bringing up these really like in-depth theories in your story that is giving people the opportunity to explore that on their own and develop their, and reflect on their own experiences in life. And that's why reading is so important because it gives people that ability. I actually had an American scientist who absolutely decimated it in terms of editing process, right? He edited it in various places, but he was a scientist and it was really useful because he was really a polite scientist, right? But he really showed me, okay, Adam, do this, do this, do that, right? It was a great, great experience and a great contribution in that sense because that's what, I like scientific minds for that reason, right? Because that's what I needed. And that's exactly what I got. It was really painful in places, right? Because he had a lot of red, you know, but the result was really, really good, right? Yeah. Yeah.  Right, well, of course, it's about the multiverse. That's the main point. And I know that the idea of the multiverse is kind of cliche. It's everywhere, right? It's wherever you look. But the fascinating part about the multiverse is that you can always add something else there. We get this infinite, basically, right? So there's always more that you can add. And the main concept is the euthanizer, right?   And they gain access to technology. In some cases, their personal skill. And they see other realities and their other selves have better lives, right? So again, the concept we're familiar with. And then the detailed surveillance begins. So they study them, right? They observe them. They're every single detail, cultural customs, financials, passwords, everything. And when they're ready, they cross over and they make sure there is no blood left because, you know, you don't want to leave any traces, right? And then they take the body, take it back to wherever they've come from and then they start a new life. So that's the process in a nutshell. But of course it contains a lot of psychological issues, psychological issues, right? So they're not necessarily psychopaths. No, no, it's not the case. In some cases, they are psychopaths, but not always, right? So this is fascinating to me. Actually, I wanted to spend more time on this aspect of surveillance because I think that's really, really interesting where you observe the other side. The other side isn't aware of it, of course, right? And you detail every, everything. And not just, you know, because everything matters, right? Potentially, even the language, of course. And because I'm a linguist, I think that we are lacking in that department, sorry. And so I studied this as well, right? Different words, different accents, different dialects, right? Where it changes. English, for example, why would someone speak the same English, right? In fringe, what I liked was that Manhattan was spelled with a single T, for example. That's so, but I get much, much deeper, right? Because I see different words and different expressions or even different languages that evolve very, very differently, right? So it's the same English, but for example, you feel kind of like your, if it's second language speaker, suddenly, right? Even though you speak English, they speak English, but it's different, right? So how do you make sure they don't notice that, right? I think that's fascinating. And I don't understand why there aren't more shows that talk about it or books for that matter that aren't more popular. And they mentioned this. So I focus on this. And I focus on other aspects, for example, where one child is born in another dimension, but this child knows that some other child, the sibling, was born in other dimension. Would there be discrimination? Would there be some sort of rivalry, right? So I focus on it as well. And so there are many, many aspects to this. And of course, there is the, I also focus on the oppressed, right? And this in franchise, that in, that there are special divisions in other dimensions, in particular, in one dimension that searches other dimensions and helps people that are in some kind of distress. It could be they're suicidal or it could be that they're in some sort of, something is going on in their lives. And if it's determined that they would be useful, valuable assets, let's say, they are invited. And I have this concept of interdimensional Facebook, right? So they connect and this is how they surveil. And yeah, that's what I like as an idea. And of course, then you cross over, you are like this refugee, of course, it's a very simplified process, right now what I'm saying. And then this new life starts, and I really like this idea, right? Because we are focused on and understand that, that we need to fix this reality. And I get that, right? But I like this idea that there was an architect and he said, I don't remember his name right now, but he said that make the existing model obsolete, right? And treat a new model, right? So me, that's, that's what you do, right? When you imagine this, this other reality, right? Where things are different. You don't have to fix it, it's already there. So I also focus on the aspect of psychological aspect, like when you cross over, suddenly you realize there is a different air, you know, there's no radiation. Or even if you have some problems, let's say with your breathing, suddenly it's not there, right? And it's, et cetera, et cetera. So I think that's, or even hangovers, right? Like you can drink. And there's, actually there, it's happening in this reality, right? There are some, they're where I'm not sure about now that you, they would come to your place and that they would just, there's this drip feed of sorts and that would just make the hangover go away really fast. So I kind of planned that as well, right? So there are many, many possibilities here, definitely. And of course, you know, in terms of, let's say high heels, as I mentioned, there are stilettos, there are different histories as well. It develops differently, clothing, et cetera. So it covers a lot of various aspects, right? Where I try to focus on, I try to link the esoteric, the metaphysical, the hurricane with material, right? Every day, which we experience, because I realize people don't want to listen to some, it's so lofty. You know, there are some people that like it, but most people just say, you know, forget it. No, I want to keep it real. I want to keep it dark, comedic, right? So there is like some stand-up potential there. It's dark. So I mix things, right? So, because I know, I know what that people don't like and let it just fluff basically, right? It's just too simple. Some people like it, but let's be honest, we are in such a twisted reality right now that I don't think that it's realistic to expect it, right? Yeah, so that's... Well, there you go. You look at people talk about multiverses and our reality this whole past year has been just twisted and changed.  And so, as you grew into a multiverse as well, like what you think, you know, I always say like, I know there's that saying that opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one. But also opinions are also variant to change. And so for people watching that are like totally overwhelmed by this idea of a multiverse, like if you just sit back, even as an American and you have American roots as well, that, you know, for me as an American, I am a combination mostly of European ancestry. And so it's one person in my lineage had not gotten on the boat when he or she did. I wouldn't be here today. So that's another idea of a mult, like these different realities, or maybe in one reality, this one ancestor didn't get on the boat. And so Mike is now shifting. Exactly, that's when my maternal grandfather, he was born in New Jersey, and he came to Poland with his older sister and his mother and father. If he'd never done that, or if they'd never done it, I wouldn't have been born, right? The same process. So even though it was tragic on one level because they couldn't go back because of the war, the Second World War, and then the communist regime, it was interesting in itself because they said, okay, you are from the US, but we are also giving you the Polish citizenship and we don't recognize your US citizenship, right? That's fascinating in itself, just how regimes work. And I focus on this as well in the novel where I talk about, you know, psychopathic aspects of regimes and how it works because it's fascinating and there are many people talking about it, but when you actually experience it, I kind of experienced it because, you know, Poland was kind of like end of the 80s, right? So it's kind of like, I kind of experienced it, but still the mentality is there. And it's a very, very, very different mentality that is very difficult, really difficult to explain to people who are not, let's say Polish, right? I barely understand it, but it's a little lonely someone who's from the US. Right, right, well, you know, my boyfriend's grandfather left Poland around that time because of what was happening in Poland. Exactly, that's what happened, the opposite happens most of the time, that's why I'm so surprised. What are you talking about? They went to Poland, what's going on here, right? I understand what you're saying. And that's why I find it so fascinating, for example, you get a person who is a Polish person and they are subjected to this and force the Germanization process, right? For example, and what happens to their minds, right? What's going on? And so that's why I like to play around with it, right, with these ideas because they are trying to answer what is identity, how does it change, right? And sometimes it gets dark, it's funny, it's dark in places, I could tell you that if I had some directing skills, like if I could direct a movie, I would really, I could really direct a great movie, right? If I could be really, but I can't because I have no skills like that, but I thought about it, right? If I could find someone, let's say, who can write a screenplay, right? That's how I say it. I think that would be a really, really awesome idea, right? Because I think it's a great idea basically. There are, of course, certain concepts that are cliches, popular culture, but it's actually an advantage because people are familiar with it, right? So that's the way I like it. So what are your thoughts on like extraterrestrial or aliens? Do you, A, do you believe they exist? And B, do you, if they exist, do you think that they're on a different dimension and they're able to travel within our dimensions? Right, yeah, I think they do exist, definitely. I was actually, I was investigating the unexplained list. Let's put it this way, if you can call it investigation because it's, well, yeah, you could call it investigating. But I definitely believe, yes, that they do exist. But of course, the question of their interference and level of interference, right? That's the question, right? Because you could talk about the ziggurat, or ziggurats, right? Where it was said that when they walked at the top, there was this alien figure and there was the hybridization process, for example, women from Earth, there was this gods, or somewhere else, right? Or you could say that maybe it started in the 50s. I don't believe it, it actually occurred. I believe that the process of interference goes back thousands of years, right? But that's, so I see it as such. But they're definitely, they definitely exist, right? So there's no doubt whatsoever in my mind. But the question is, what is the level of interference? Whether it's just that they are coming here to watch, was there infiltration, or perhaps even creation, that they were responsible for creating humanity, as we know it, right? So-called Ponspermia, right? Where life just moves from one place to another, like one planet to another. So I would definitely, and I actually have a sort of a funny moment in my novel about the reptilians and so on, where I mentioned how some reptilians end up. So yeah, because reptilians are kind of popular in our culture, right? So, and grace. And it's actually what I find kind of funny and interesting, the Denver International Airport. I think they have these murals and they kind of make fun of this. Some people, of course, say that, well, they're telling us the truth, right? Because they actually made us, there were some posters where there was a great alien and he was like, hush hush, just don't talk about it, see no evil, hear no evil, you know, and stuff like that. It's kind of, well, it's kind of tricky, right? Because you could say, as a typical psychologist, probably would say, well, people just want to have a more interesting life, right? If that's what you usually get, that they just make this stuff up. But there are people who would tell you that no, it's anything's possible, right? And I'm more inclined to believe that. For example, when you talk about missing people, right? Because they're the so-called missing 411. What I find interesting is that there are so many possibilities, right? If, of course, if it's really the case that it's so convoluted as it's presented, that in terms of the number of missing people, right? But it's, so there is definitely more going on than we think. The question is the level of how much, you know, what's really, you know, the depth of this more. Let's put it this way. There was even a prime minister of Russia, Medvedev, and he kind of joked about this black box. A journalist asked him, is there, that's my black box, something like that. And I get briefed on aliens, right? There's kind of, but it was kind of like a joke, but you can't really tell it was a joke, you know? That's how you do it.  Yeah, no, I- Yeah, there was, there was. Yeah, there was a, there was a, you can find it on YouTube, but I don't remember it was years ago, right? It was a great video. I 100% agree with you on that. And for those who know, like, Biblically in the book of Enoch, which was a book that was taken out of the Bible, which, hmm, wonder why they took it out. It talks about that. It talks about these beings that mated with, with earthly. And I know I've, because- Nephelon, of course, right? I don't have any, right? Rhesus factor in my blood and that, and that whole concept of all these different blood types, where do they come from, where we engineered by other- Exactly. Live in another dimension and you're right, because the cosmic law is the law of free will. So how much interference can there really be if we're not giving our consent? But then it's funny, the Denver airport, I've got, I have the Denver airport on my list of things to cover, because that's a big one. And it's funny, a lot is happening in the United States. So I've been watching all these decoders who talk about that airport before I do my episode, because I wanna hear more about what they have to say about these military decoders of what the Denver International Airport is. Right, so if I can just add about the free will, right? Because it kind of touches on karma. And we kind of, so that's why I have a strong opinion about because that they are supposed to tell us, right? The powers that be what they're going to do. Well, okay, that's one level, but another level, I see a child, a poor child, right? And next to this poor child, there is a rich kid, right? Just, let's say, another side of the fence. So if my understanding is correct, and this poor child is paying for its sins or his or her sins, so to speak, and this is a karmic debt, right? Never made sense to me, right? This child doesn't even remember if that's indeed the case, right? What happened?  So it doesn't make sense to me. At the same time, I do realize that people need this, right? Yeah, he's gonna get his punishment or her punishment, right? But I think it's more complex than that. I don't really like this idea on a simple level, but then again, I do realize there are people who definitely deserve this kind of treatment, right? But it's just too simplistic because it makes the universe, turns the universe into this kind of fascistic entity, right? That doesn't give you any choice. You just, okay, this is what it is. This is karma, end of story, right? It's like the curio, another level, a cosmic level as they call it, right? Yeah, well my understanding of karma from India is that it's just your work, that's all it is, it's the stuff you have to work through. And the more I started to look at karma that way, it started to make more sense because it's like, oh, okay, so let's just say for lack, let's just say there are multiple lives that we live and in one life we're poor, in the slums, the next life we're wealthy and we have all these different things that we learn through each experience to grow our soul. But yeah, for someone to have to pay for something they did in the past life, when you're a completely different, your brain is different, your being is different and the next life does not make sense at all. Yeah, if you remember it, then maybe then yes, but if you don't remember it, I mean, it could really, we could speculate about it, of course we don't really know what's going on, maybe on some other level we do remember, right? You could argue that that's the case, but it gets kind of intangible. You can't really do anything with it, so it's, but I understand the idea and I understand the appeal of the idea itself, right? It's, in some cases it would probably be beneficial, but again, it's tricky, right? It's tricky. Again, well, it's all that part of that Pandora's box where it's, and I actually, I know, because we talk about fear where people get scared and afraid of this a little bit, I find it so freaking fascinating because there's just so many different possibilities and it just brings just so much more just substance to our existence and this exploration of trying to figure out together as humanity, like what is really going on and what is actually happening to us and all that kind of stuff because it's just, it is so super fascinating. I know we're coming up on an hour now and again, Adam is gonna be coming back guys, so tell everybody the title of your book and your contact and all that stuff for publishers, or people who know publishers, or can send you, but in any publishing experience you have in the past, go ahead and talk about that as well. Right, so the book is called Euthanizers, Escaping Hazmat Demons. Hazmat Demons, because it's connected to what's happening now, so it has its suits, right? So I imagine, you know, Hazmat Demons, it kind of fits in some cases, right? They look kind of like demons when you look like, and it's kind of important in my book on some level where they, my protagonists are trying to escape, you know, demons, they're not literal demons, just look like, you know, in Hazmat suits, right? Like walking around and burning down houses of the infected. So that's the reason I mentioned, you know, that's why that's how I call it. And Euthanizers, of course, is the reference to the, you know, the idea itself because there is a literary agent in the book and she does, she is an agent for the family that they're euthanizers, but this agent, of course, doesn't believe that they're euthanizers because, of course, who would, right? So she created these psychological defenses, right? It's just fiction, it's just whatever, right? Obviously, right?  We can tell it truth, but she doesn't know, she doesn't believe us, right? So I like this, this idea. I wrote 57 articles for the oldest English language newspaper in South Korea, the Korea Times. 57 articles and really a vast array of topics. And I'm really grateful for it. I hope that number 58, article number 58 will be published relatively soon. But of course I never know because there's the editorial process and it's not up to me, right? But there is a chance. And of course, I also mentioned my novel there whenever I get a chance. So this is definitely something I'm proud of. And you can find my novel on Snippet, right? My novel Snippet on Facebook, Escaping Hasmet Demons as one word. When you go on the Facebook pages, perhaps you could, you know, just maybe you could include it somewhere. I'll put it all down in the description box below. Yeah, just a snippet, right? Just a snippet there. And yeah, so, and of course my contact, maybe it would be easier just to put it, you know, somewhere in the message because I can say of course here, but, you know, my Polish last name is probably, I could spell it out, but it's probably easier if you just- I'll put it, yeah, I'll also put a link down in the description box below where people can just copy it there and stuff too. Because we really guys, like his novel is really good. It's a very, very, very well- Thank you. And it takes a lot of talent to be able to tackle such a- Because I always find fault, you know, when I read it, I always find some flaws and it's always nice when someone tells me that it's very well written because I always think there's something missing here, you know, what I'm talking about, right? So it's always- Yeah, there are, trust me, I know it takes me forever to edit sometimes, I always want to reshoot stuff, but we are always our own worst critics and Adam's work is, it's really very good. It's easy to read in the sense that you get sucked into the story, right? And we- That was my intention, yeah. Yeah, that's a sign of a really good writer. When you can, I love to read, I'm always reading something and when you're able to read a book and forget that you're actually reading because you're so invested in the story and Adam is very, that takes a lot of talent guys to be able to- And of course, if someone has comments or whether it's positive or negative doesn't matter, you know, I welcome any comments you have, that's great.  So feel free to let me know whatever you think, as long as it's not, you know, personal attacks. That's okay, Grace. I actually have a rule about that. I will not, and on this channel, I am same as you, I'm open to hearing everybody's opinion and why they feel a certain way. But yes, if anybody attacks anybody personally, I delete the comment and usually block the person because that is not okay. That is not- Yeah, it's not even about being sensitive, but you know, when someone does it, it's like an invitation for others and it's kind of, you know, and YouTube can ban the channel and that wouldn't be good. Yeah, and it's just for humanity's sake, it's not, when we're discussing ideas, we're looking at opinions on the topic at hand, not about the messenger bringing the topic, you know. So I get that a lot when going through the missing books of the Bible, I get attacked a lot. Oh, I can imagine. I can imagine a lot of religious fanatics. Yeah. And I'm like, nobody here is saying, arguing about God, it's about looking at these books and just exploring them and they might be fake, who knows, but we're just looking at them. It doesn't hurt to, again, Aristotle said, it's a sign of an intelligent mind when you can entertain an idea without accepting it. And just give your, yes, exactly. I agree, people can give their opinions on a topic and why they feel the way they feel, but without shooting the messenger, without- The process, right. Yes, this is not multi-versus is not, it's not multi-versus is not Adam's theory, it's not my theory. It's been around for a while. No, it's been around probably for thousands of years. I mean, if you look at the Plato, right, the shadows on the wall, right, the cave, like the shadows, et cetera. So it's been around for thousands of years. So in case somebody wants to say, no, it's not our idea, right? But we can do a lot with it. That's the point, because throughout history, like you have Hugh Everett, you have other people. So, and of course, Hawking. And so it's, yeah, it's always been there basically in some way. We're just expanding on something. It's not like we woke up one day and we're like, I think I'm going to create a theory. No, this is something that we're- You could argue that, you know, multi-versus where always they're just like psychopaths are probably always there. Right, right, exactly, exactly. That is the crazy part. And I, yes, again, guys, look in the description box, find all the information to Adam there, and I'm going to include other videos from our channel that talk about multiverses as well. I know we've talked about it on David Zublik's channel. There's just so many fascinating stories. And I think, Adam, you will find more people are fascinated out there about this topic than not, because we have all had experiences in our life where we go, oh my God, we're crazy. Glad to be a source of inspiration. Glad to be a source of inspiration if I can. Yes, absolutely. And Adam will be back on the channel, guys. So look out for him. And I know you talked about possibly opening up a YouTube channel too, or is that you that said you were possibly- I could, I'm considering it. I think that's the only way that one of the ways that I can really move things in the right direction, basically, because everyone is on YouTube. I mean, it's been around for 15 years. So basically, it's the main, right? So it's really, it's really useful. And many, because it really gets the word out, people can see it. I mean, look at this Texas lawyer, right?  And now he's everywhere. Like, you know, it's just a good idea, right? If you all have not seen that video, I know Adam sent it to me. Adam, other people sent it to me. It is hysterical. And the guy, older general- You know, this kind of sad part is that now he's going to be remembered for saying, you know, the sentence, I am not a cat, right? Everything else won't matter. Everything that everyone will remember, just this part.  Yes, well, and the judge was funny. The judge actually tweeted something out about make sure if your grandkids are on your computer before you make sure you check- Yeah, they were really composed. I mean, that was great in itself. It was hysterical.  So, and we are all united together. We all just walk in each other home. Humans, we need each other. So you guys go give Adam's novel snippet a read. I'm going to like him on Facebook and spread the word. If you have friends that are interested in this topic, please direct them to Adam's work because this is such a fascinating topic. And we will definitely be having Adam back on Esoteric Atlanta. So thank you so much, Adam, for being here today. Thank you, Bryce. Thank you, everyone. Bye-bye. Thanks. Cheers.