Welcome everyone. Thanks. I'd like to call to order the 25th meeting of the 2014 2015 City Common Council With the clerk, please read the quote for the day. Thank you, Mayor We cannot seek achievement for ourselves and forget about progress and prosperity for our community Our ambitions must be broad enough to include the aspirations and needs of others for their sakes and for our own Please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Next item on our agenda is approval of the minutes from our last meeting Alderman Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor move to approve second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the minutes? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes Item 1.3 is resignations city attorney the letter from Suzanne Schultz Currently has a power of attorney for her husband Val Schultz advising that due to Val's health conditions he's Resigning from the police and fire commission as of March 26th, and there's a resignation to the mayor and members of the Harbor Center Business Improvement District Tyler Ott as advising he's resigning his position as board member on the Harbor Center Business Improvement District as He's no longer to able to attend meetings due to a change in employment relocating outside of the district. Thank you Alderman Hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor move to accept and file and thank those for their service second Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed Motion passes item 1.4 council appointments Honorable members of the council hereby submit the following appointment for consideration Jane Davis would business owner to be considered for appointment to the business improvement district fill the unexpired term of Tyler Ott Whose term expires 12 31 16 signed by the mayor that'll lie over till our next meeting There is no confirmation of council appointments needed Next we'll go on to the public forum now. We've asked people To sign up ahead of time and the clerk will call them up Right this will be the public forum for the five people that have signed up previously for five minutes each And I've got your names here first one on the list is dr. John Revellis Dr. Revellis are you here and can you give us your name and home address, please? John Revellis at 1739 North 6th Street to Inchamore You'll have five minutes I'm here as the current chief of staff of Sheboygan Memorial Medical Center In support for the development of the field of dreams land and the new soccer complex I'm here with several hats one is a resident of the current hospital. I live Just a few blocks down the street. I have nothing but positive things to say about the hospital in Aurora as a neighbor They have been very Proactive and we had some issues with ambulance noise when we first moved to town and it was rectified very quickly It is also very convenient to have the hospital within the city limits for our patients Many of them use taxi services for coming back and forth to the hospital It's much easier to get those services much less expensive As well as bus services and some of those things that would not be available outside the city limits We are also the only inpatient psychiatric facility Which is very important to have in a community to serve the city that is very very important And so our patient psychiatric services are just as important and having presence within the city is very important I'm also here as a parent of five daughters who all are involved in youth soccer and have been involved for Their whole careers my five-year-old is even playing now And my 18 year old is in high school, but has developed through the youth program We have used all the soccer fields in town. We go to multiple tournaments outside of town and It's blessing that we have a facility But those facilities the field of dream project that was built is not an ideal facility anyone that has played there has seen that any bit of rain and I Challenge any of you to go in your loafers there tonight and see what kind of condition that field is in It is not a well-drained Field it is not optimal for field conditions We have multiple games that are canceled and rescheduled since I've been in town in 2001 in part of the soccer program Building a dedicated soccer field will not only be a great benefit to the youth It'll encourage the growth of the soccer program our goal from the White House on down is to get kids more active and To deal with childhood obesity and doing something that promotes that is in my opinion a no-brainer These fields will also allow us to have our own tournaments We go to multiple tournaments Stimulate many of the economies in the eastern part of Wisconsin It'd be nice to get that in our backyard where we already have the infrastructure in hotels and Tourism to host tournaments and we cannot do that with the current facilities that we have So from the standpoint of a soccer parent I think that the field proposal and the resources that aurora is committing to our community is An immense benefit for everyone who has children grandchildren who want to be active and in a safe environment From a medical standpoint healthcare continues to change I Am almost late for this meeting because I spent all day working in an equated facility because We just don't have the room and you talk to the patients and even today I mentioned to several my patients. Why is my son have to go four floors down after his ear surgery? I tell him because we don't have the space So we need a facility that can accommodate today's healthcare environment, but tomorrow's healthcare environment as well There is a lot of technology that continues to change Robotic surgery things that we can't even fathom in having in this community because we don't have the the physical space And ability to handle that so a facility that's not only going to create Revenue for building it Hiring more staff but allow us to expand and to continue to attract Physicians who will bring their kids to our community who will use our fields and who will stimulate our economy and who will Be part of our community and continue to Support various fundraising opportunities within our community. That's how we you keep growing to go community is you you build for The future that allows you to attract good physicians it allows you to provide good good Services to your patients and allows you to change with the with the with the future So I think that this project is good in all accounts It'll help our citizens to maintain a good and competitive healthcare environment It'll help our youth to have facilities for both soccer and football that are dedicated and built for those purposes And it'll be a huge benefit to the city from an economic standpoint Impacting it in a very positive way. Thank you for your time. Thank you Next on the list is David Gallinetti Mr. Gate, Mr. Gallinetti is are you here? Well David's coming up. We have set up a conference room at the end of the hallway with the live feed of the Proceedings here. So if anybody's getting tired standing, please feel free to take care of that room and take advantage of that room David can I get your full name and home address, please? Certainly David Gallinetti 730 Broughton Drive, and you will have five minutes or thank you. Good evening everyone. Thanks for this opportunity to Talk to you tonight. I'm here not only as a resident of the city of Sheboygan But I'm here as president of the Sheboygan area school district Board of Education as elected officials We have to lead and sometimes that means that we have to make decisions that we don't have community agreement or The question of rezoning field of dreams is certainly one of those instances No matter how you vote tonight people in the community are going to be unhappy with the outcome. I Shared this at a recent school board meeting and I wanted to share it again tonight because it's it's applicable Sheboygan residents don't agree on this issue There are some that are adamantly opposed to it and they're always going to be There are some that want more time to decide Although we haven't been able to come to any agreement on how much additional time we need To be able to reach a decision that everybody's going to be happy with Some are strongly in favor of this and they wonder why it's taken as long as it has If you vote to rezone this property tonight, they're going to be people that are going to be unhappy If you vote against rezoning the property tonight, there are people that are going to be unhappy So who do you listen to whose advice do you take? I hope that we can agree That we're partners in proving this community and we want to be progressive and we want to move our community forward I think we can all agree on that the decision this decision requires us I think to look at the big picture and it Requires us to look at how this decision affects the whole community The overwhelming majority of the people that I've spoken to since the school board approved selling the property Have been in favor of this proposal for a number of different reasons But I'm going to sum up the main ones Why would they like this proposal? It benefits the whole community. It benefits the whole community The proposal allows a large community employer in this case Aurora The opportunity to expand its health care services to provide more services to our community It puts property back on the tax rolls. That's not getting talked about a lot But this will put property back on the tax rolls that benefits our community specifically it benefits the city of Sheboygan Recreational space will increase as a result of this proposal that benefits our community There's been some discussion in our community about destroying a park and about eliminating green space Here's one important fact that you need to keep in mind tonight. This property is not a city park It's not a city park This is school district owned property that we had kept aside Because we wanted to see whether or not we needed a new school on the west side of town When we decided we didn't need to build on that property We turned it into a recreational field and that's what it's been used for. It's not a city park So it bears repeating Recreational green space in our community will increase as a result of this proposal They're going to be recreational fields across the street on the east side That are going to replace some of the current fields on field of dreams There will be the boots and farm property that of course you're all familiar with is going to be Converted into a youth soccer complex Aurora is going to pay for both of these projects to happen That was part of the agreement to purchase the property in the first place We never would have sold field of dreams to Aurora much less anyone Without the agreement that they replicate those fields somewhere else in town to provide children with that opportunity to provide our community with that opportunity The current fields won't be touched until those new fields are fully functional and operational So children aren't going to lose any minute of playing time. I Appreciate your time and I appreciate your effort. I truly understand the position that you're in tonight. Trust me I understand it the school board valid voted to sell this property because we believe this project benefits the whole community And in the spirit of partnership and moving our community forward. I think it deserves your support tonight as well Thank you very much. Thank you, David Next on the list is Scott Lewandowski Can I have your full name and address Scott? Okay, Scott 11 dusky 221 Erie Avenue, okay, and you will have five minutes. Okay. First of all, I would like to thank Alderman bill feel for his reelection When last night Tonight you have an important vote as to what is in the best interest for this children of Sheboygan Before you vote consider these questions take a minute to actually think about them Aurora the Sheboygan area school district and city officials have made many promises as to what the children of Sheboygan will get But how come none of these groups have guaranteed what is promised will actually be built in the timeframe given Number two how much will it really cost to build everything that the children of Sheboygan have been promised in this deal Aurora is only giving a certain amount with the city responsible for anything over that amount Why hasn't Aurora or the school district been giving the full amount to move and build everything they have promised to the children of Sheboygan? Does anyone here really believe that if this project for Aurora goes through that it will cost the city of Sheboygan Taxpayers eight hundred thousand dollars like it was guessed at by Alderman Hammond in a Sheboygan press article on February 9th The city and all government agencies always Underestimate what something will actually cost and overestimate what the benefits will be The field east of the field of dreams has contaminated land on the south end Aurora is not paying to clean it up And when I was on a school board the school district said the city would be responsible for cleaning it up because a Contamination was from the city dumping on the property How much will this cost the city of if the field of dreams is re-zoned and how long will it take before? construction can start on replacing part of the current fuel of dreams in a new area you have to Contaminated soil has to be dealt with first Also, how many of you are familiar with Joplin, Missouri on May 22nd 2011 and Prior, Oklahoma April 28th, 1942 Both of these two cities had two hospitals within a block of each other Both had both hospitals destroyed in a tornado to the point where they could not be used and had to be torn down There are probably more but there won't these were the first two I came across on an internet search is it good to have two hospitals a block apart as Aurora wants Sheboygan is also overdue for a tornado On August 8th 1966 a minor tornado hit Sheboygan and one person was hurt a tornado also hit Sheboygan on the 4th of July in 1873 many buildings were damaged including the courthouse on August 20th 1900 a tornado struck Sheboygan and some of the damage that occurred was Included blowing down the steeple of Bethlehem Church in 1974 a tornado hit Howard's Grove which resulted in people dying on August 22nd 1964 a tornado heavily damaged Fort Washington So it is possible for tornadoes to strike Sheboygan and destroy both hospitals are if they are in a hospital corridor For the best interest is Sheboygan the field of dreams should be left as it is and not rezoned and Aurora should build somewhere else Preferably on the south side of Sheboygan where people want a hospital and the better served the southern part of the county which is the fastest growing area of Sheboygan County and Where our Aurora already owns land? Then it would truly be a win-win for the taxpayers and citizens of Sheboygan and Sheboygan County You were elected to do what is best for the citizens of Sheboygan and its future the children of Sheboygan You were not elected to sell out to Aurora Finally, this is described as a win-win for everyone Remember the old saying if it sounds too good to be true It probably is too good to be true and this is certainly sounding too good to be true. Thank you. Thank you Next on the list is Susie Patterson Susie. Are you here? Susie can I have your full name and home address please Susan Patterson? 1502 South 12th Street, and you will have five minutes. Okay. I'm here as a south side citizen Obviously a whole different look at it because it's not right in my backyard But I would like to thank you for the opportunity to be here and I did a little of my own research just talking to family and friends About what they might think about this as an idea And I had a hard time finding people who didn't think it was a positive win-win for everyone So a regional sports complex would be a benefit to our community I believe and after the many conversations I've had I can't literally find a single person on the south side of town That is one of my customers that doesn't see it that it would benefit us having the sports complex at the other end So an added opportunity for the south side would be a wonderful and greatly appreciated More families would eat at our restaurants is an obvious benefit stay at our motels shop at our stores by gas and the list goes on The added benefit of good-paying jobs would be bring with it homes being purchased Positive growth in our community the new jobs are would be high paying competitive jobs that provide incentive to live in Sheboygan and our restaurants again would benefit. I have Fluctuated from between 12 and 20 employees over the years and we've been there 54 years as of February So we've seen a lot of changes and growth in the community The busier I am the better off my employees are and so goes the positive benefit to all of us After some research I did of my own of communities that across the country that have similar sports complexes We feel that a similar venue on the south side of Sheboygan would put us on the map with another Demographic of people with the potential for huge added tourism dollars being spent in the community Without the new Aurora facility it would seem that the cost and possibility for a regional sports complex in the near future would be Non-existent so we are asking as a restaurant and the several of them that I've spoken with have asked for you to support the proposal And thank you for your consideration. Thank you, Suzanne. Thank you And lastly we have Kristen Blanchard Kristen. Are you here? There you are you're gonna have to pull the mic way down No, no, really, it's all right, I'm used to it She knows I didn't My address is 2136 Erie Avenue, my name is Kristen Blanchard. I should give you like 40 minutes for that one. Okay I really want a 40 minutes for the stuff to say so that's that's all right Mayor all the persons and community members that are here tonight. I'm happy to speak as Not only a city resident in Sheboygan But as the CEO of Lakeshore Community Healthcare and I'm here tonight not to say whether you should or shouldn't vote for this but to tell you about the partnership that we have with Aurora and how important that partnership is and How important it is that Aurora is in the city in this city and what they've done for our community Then I'm gonna start with the fact that so everybody knows off the top of it LCHC the Organization I work for does receive funds from Aurora on as grants and through donations and We have a great partnership and so and they continue to have that partnership with us We are here today because of Aurora and St. Nicholas Hospital getting together with United Way and a number of other a number of other organizations who realize that there's an issue to access to care for health care in this community by Growing and building our health care community. We can grow and build that increased access Aurora currently takes 60% of our medical patients for specialty care. They do this and discounted They do this with discounted Prices for our patients because they are at or below 200% of the federal poverty level This is really important as we build our organization and what we're doing Aurora continues to be that partner Not only with us, but through through things like the community conversation on mental health and By providing and assisting us with increased access to inpatient and outpatient behavior health services There is an issue in our community And if you look at our community health rankings that just came on again our community is lacking Providers and services. It is really important that we continue to support both hospital systems But tonight that we support Aurora in providing that access to care that's greatly needed in our community It would be a deficit to our community for and in our city if a rora decided to move out of the community again The patients that we serve and last year we served over 6,000 patients in the community if If those people didn't have the increased access to those specialty services and again by having Aurora in the city the access to Public transportation to get there Most of these individuals again are at or below 200% of the federal poverty level We would not be able to provide those comprehensive services So I want to thank Aurora for being a great partner to us to other community members And I would hope that the city and the the city and everybody in the city understands what a great partner We have here with Aurora and supports Aurora and whatever they do. Thank you very much. Thank you Thank you next we'll go on to mayor's announcements first of all I'd like to congratulate our Madame clerk our new city attorney and all the alderman that were re-elected and also alderman Alderman to be Eldenberg and Job Jose As we start the new council year We need to set up some new committees and all of you will find some documents on your desk Which is a survey of your preferences for your committee appointments I'd appreciate it if you could get those turned back to me in a week. So they're all back next Wednesday And then I'd also like to thank our water department You may have found a brochure like this in your water bill if you haven't received it yet It's coming soon, but we want everybody to kind of examine their recycling habits and make sure they're recycling is Everything that they can the city has a new contract with our waste hauler And we pay nothing for recyclables before we used to pay twenty two dollars a ton So anything we can get out of the garbage that shouldn't be there and get into the recycling side is going to save the city money in the future So thank you very much for your help with that Next we'll move on to public hearings 2.1 is a hearing scheduled this evening relative to the proposed amendment to the city of Sheboygan's comprehensive plan future land use map to change the land use classification and property located at 3306 Salmon Avenue from public Parks and open space to institutional community facilities classification Item 2.2 is a second hearing scheduled this evening to amend the city of Sheboygan official zoning map To change the use district classification of the property located at 3306 Salmon Avenue from class SR 5 suburban residential to class SO suburban office classification Thank You mr. Mayor moved open the hearings for public comments under the following guidelines One that will combine with two hearings since they're relative to the same project Comments are limited to three minutes for each person speaking Personal criticism of other individuals is out of order The city council will receive citizen input during the hearing, but will not respond during that to Respond or debate during the public hearing Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed motion passes The city clerk has a list of the people that have previously signed up She'll be calling those names and she'll be calling who's on deck And we'd like the on deck person to take one of the chairs here so that we can keep this flowing and then After we get done with this. We'll see if there's anyone who hasn't had a chance yet and still would like to speak Okay, the first three people I'd like would be Bob is up here already and Deanna. Is it Deanna? Deena. Okay. If you want to take one of the chairs and also Kathleen Renzelman Okay, go ahead Bob you have three minutes Hi, my name is Robert heck. I live at 1720 Elm Avenue And I've come here tonight to urge all members of the Common Council to vote yes to rezone the field of dreams Your yes vote tonight Will complete step two of a three-step approval process for the new eighty six million dollar Aurora Medical Facility By voting yes tonight you will move the process to the step three, which is the DNR approval the DNR approval requires That there be a plan in place that will Guarantee and assure us that every all the athletic fields that are on the current field of dreams will be replaced This is a requirement that they have because they Donated money $92,000 to the original field of dreams So for those who are concerned that Aurora may not fulfill their obligations and replace those fields the DNR approval is dependent upon it I think we would all agree that there is an abundance of medical providers along Taylor Drive between Memorial Drive and Seaman Avenue It has become the medical corridor in Sheborgen a roar would like to join that corridor with their new facility and They're asking you to extend that corridor one more block from Seaman Avenue to Gile Avenue their proposed facility is In the same business that many of the other Facilities are in along that face Taylor Drive There's all sorts of medical providers there and Aurora's yet another medical provider So it fits into the nature of the area It is true that there is a definite residential presence also boarding the field of dreams particularly on the north end but It is not a distinctly residential area. It is a real mix of open space Businesses directly to the south that are in the same business as Aurora and I feel that the zoning is appropriate for that property If you vote no tonight The project will stop There won't be any more steps or approvals a no vote tonight stops this project and we will take this proposal an 86 million dollar facility $200,000 a year an additional tax revenue 30 new jobs $2.0 million for the Sheborgen area school district $5 million to improve and upgrade and replace Athletic facilities and take all of that and we'll be throwing it in the trash can of missed opportunities And I urge you tonight not to do that. I urge all of you to vote yes because Yes vote will move this project forward It will provide better athletic and medical facilities for the citizens of this community for many years to come. Thank you Thank you Okay, and next Can I get Lori to come up here Lori knit knit?  My name is Dina Grendel. I am currently employed at both Aurora, Sheboyga Memorial and St. Nicholas Hospital In my capacity to Roar Sheboyga Memorial. I serve the community as the coordinator of sexual assault nursing services Otherwise known as the same coordinator simply put. I am a specialized forensic nurse That cares for adolescent and adult sexual assault victims Sheboyga Memorial provides the only same program in Sheboygan County Our dedicated caregivers provide first response care for victims of sexual assault in their time of acute trauma We care for their emotional physical and emotional and medical needs as well as handle evidence collection when it is appropriate Ultimately, we focus on pervert preserving the victim's dignity and returning control over their life Aurora has provided the service for more than seven years Guaranteeing 24-hour coverage for these patients. We would like to expand our program to include pediatric patients eliminating Their need to travel to Milwaukee for the care of these children along with several other community members We are currently working on building a child Advocacy Center to provide a child-friendly setting With with sensitive care We are also working with the Sheboygan County Sheriff's Department and the city of Sheboygan Police Department to start a human trafficking Task force to help combat human trafficking and provide health care to these human trafficking victims Sheboygan Memorial has also agreed to allow the purchase of a secure digital forensic camera system Designed for investigations such as sexual assault domestic violence homicide child abuse and human trafficking In order to grow these much needed services and to help these victims in the best way possible We need to create more space at our hospital with the approval of this proposed outpatient surgery and medical office building We can relieve some stress of this hospital By relocating some of the axillary departments and allowing growth for inpatient and sensitive patient care needs Please when you consider this project Understand that it is an investment into the future of Sheboygan and our ability to expand access to valuable health care Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to better explain Aurora's local commitment. Thank you Is it Robert Robert looks like yes I Couldn't read the last name and I'm not going to take a shot at it No And then Kathleen you may go ahead. My name is Kathleen Renzelman and my address is 23 16 Weedemeyer Street I'm 69 years old and in my lifetime. I have never done anything like this I'm here this evening because I'm so passionate about saving the field of dreams. I Am opposed to Aurora erecting their facility on the field of dreams at two levels I Believe that my emotional level is probably where I'm stronger because Business acumen is not my forte, but I'm going to just go into it a little bit And I don't even know if its business is probably just questioning the the way it all unfolded. I Do not Feel comfortable with the pace at which this endeavor has proceeded I think it's been rushed and I feel comfortable when I have more time to make an informed decision. I Just believe that haste makes waste and once this is done it cannot be undone People are saying if we don't grasp this opportunity it won't ever reappear. I Don't know about that life is funny. It comes and goes up and down things happen. Nobody can predict the future How do we know that something won't happen where? Whatever is so Prosperous for this city can flourish might This much I know You use that green space for something else and that green space is gone gone gone. It's never coming back That's the bigger level that I'm addressing this from I Have a reverence for green space More so now as I get older and have granddaughters Also, nobody has mentioned the Jerry how much aspect of this the way it was intended at the outset That's a very serious solemn endeavor that was there Just moving it Doesn't necessarily modest. What word do I want? It doesn't necessarily please me? Let's talk simply and plainly it doesn't necessarily please me It doesn't necessarily seem the correct thing to do The intent is known to anyone who has examined this situation The intent was for the field of dreams to remain as it was from the outset To me that's akin to holy ground. I hope I can persuade you somewhat tonight I'm speaking from my heart and my mind But listen to my heart harder than my mind, please I Beg you Please don't let this green space go Somebody said we shouldn't settle for better when we can have the best. I say we have the best Let's not lose it. Thank you Next can I could I please have Rob is it Rob how? Yeah, could I have you come on up and Lori go ahead? I'm Lori Knitt 17930 Miller Road So I'm actually here on behalf actually I'm an employee of Schwoig Memorial, and I'm speaking And reading a letter from one of our co-workers that could not be here tonight She's the mother of four children that have played sports And she'd like to say that the field of dreams is in very poor condition and it has been for several years My parents have been unable to attend various events at the field due to the unstable terrain And when they have they have had to watch their grandchildren from the car parked on the street to ensure that they do not fall We've had multiple games canceled due to the amount of mud on the field due to poor drainage in the current site Youth football is also near and dear to my heart. Not only did my boys grow up playing youth football Don Colath the founder of Schwoig and youth football is my father-in-law I know the condition of the fields at Kiwanis Park at the key like that the kids have to play on I Know the hard work of hauling equipment and renting tents and painting field lines I know the need to have a home a place to take pride in the soccer program has a home But it could be better the baseball softball program has a home But it's now time for Schwoig in youth football to be given the opportunity to have a home as well in 2007 I purchased a home a block and a half away from Aurora Schwoig Memorial Medical Center I can truly say that initially I was concerned about what it would be like to live next to the hospital Even though this new facility will be an outpatient surgery facility There will not be helicopters or ambulances coming to the facility I'd like to say that the lack of noise by helicopters ambulance and traffic on my street has left me Pleasantly surprised Aurora is a good neighbor the ambulances do not run their silence Sirens until they are farther away from the facility and as for the helicopters They blend in with the noises of life as a side note My family has decided from day one to pray when we hear the flight for life helicopter for the patient and the family of the Individual being transported Aurora will also be a good neighbor given the opportunity to build on the field to dreams As a GI tech at the hospital I can attest that we need more space many of our patients have Transportation issues and have having a centrally located medical facility will help meet that need as well That's Catherine's letter as As myself I would just like to briefly say I'm the mother of two grown sons that were raised in Sheboygan Both are in their 20s. They are college graduates looking to start their families They are looking for a community that with good jobs good schools good healthcare and good recreational facilities If we do not start building the dream of a better community for all will become a dying community Please look at the big picture. Please actually look and support the roar proposal. Thank you Can I have Joel? And Robert or who's up? Yeah Thank you. You can go ahead Robert Hi, my name is Rob. How I live at 1340 North Avenue in Sheboygan What's that Hello I'm a long time soccer coach in the community. I've been I coached Sheboygan South High School in the 90s Coach currently cloaked for Lakeshore United Football Club and I founded a skill master soccer camp The people that live at Taylor Drive have probably seen a lot of my face across their street from them Till 2010 we did most of our camps at Taylor Drive I had up to 125 kids at the camp and The wear and tear horseman we tried to keep off of it to save those fields. I had to move the camps to horseman in about 2011-2012 Because the conditions at Taylor Drive were becoming almost unplayable hard fields difficult for The ball to roll cleanly I was unable to do the things that I need to do with the kids to really get them to the level and of play and They weren't learning as much as they they could learn if I had them at horseman where the fields were much better condition Though a number of people touched on how wet the fields get so I don't have to cover that one the one thing I've not heard a lot of Is the opportunities for the kids that could get lost if we don't go in this direction Right now we do have Good fields horseman is in good shape. There's some pretty good fields If we upgrade the way that this proposal suggests we do we would have Some of the top fields if not the top fields in the state We would be drawing in top clubs from all over the state. We'd be drawing in some top tournaments That kind of exposure is where kids get their opportunity to play in college now high school doesn't lead to college anymore College coaches go to big tournaments. That's where they get exposed to players. That's where they see them Decide if they want them they call them college showcases if you have a tournament and a place like The facility that we're proposing you bring in all these top teams you bring in college coaches they come and watch and they Requently sign kids letters of intent intent at those tournaments or talk to the parents and whatever Depends on the time of year. It is in the age of the kids It provides an opportunity for the kids that we do not provide right now The ability to train or for the kids that want to train and Beyond the field a lot more than we currently have the ability for them would be a big one And another one that's not been mentioned at all right now the adults and there are there's a Believe a 20-team adult league excuse me Rob. You're three minutes. I'm sorry you're up Thank you, they have an opportunity with more fields Can I get Trevor and Brian Trevor Martin and Brian Sipple up here and Joe it's all yours. Thank you There's been a lot of discussion about this development both in the newspapers on various media outlets and so forth and Rather than talk about a lot of the issues that we've already talked about I want to talk about the facts the things that we know That this development is about The economic side is obvious. We have two hundred thousand dollars of tax revenue from a property currently generating zero I think the math is pretty simple there with regard to that matter The sale will increase the tax base of this community by ten million dollars allowing it to issue more bonds more opportunities more Repairs things that can get done as a result of that This community from the medical side will gain a state-of-the-art facility. It will add 30 highly skilled jobs It will add seven doctors and the construction that goes with this project Will create short-term construction jobs. It will create long-term service contracts and Maybe most importantly from an economic standpoint This project and this development is a commitment from one of Sheboygan's largest and best employers That's something to keep in mind These are financial benefits for all of us not a neighborhood not a street Not a side of town. This isn't a north versus south side issue. This is a Sheboygan issue in Addition we all know that part of this development involves the providing of five million dollars for development That's important The notion that this project takes away anything is Not the facts The development will lead to a net 41 acres of additional recreational green space I heard an earlier speaker tonight talk about how important green space is and how it should be revered There's going to be 41 more of those acres to be revered as a result of this development Boots and farms out in the south side of Sheboygan is a tremendous opportunity Are there challenges you bet there are there are going to be fundraising challenges? This project gets that project off the ground if we are talking about further developments from phase one Phase two never happens without this development going forward We've heard some of these things be described as pipe dreams fairy tales fantasies We're gaining 41 acres. That's a fact. That's not fantasy and What I want to talk about at some level to is the Sheboygan area school district establish certain criteria those criteria were met In fact, Joe Sheehan and his letter to the community said they were exceeded There's no place in this debate for name-calling predators greedy narrow-minded any of those kinds of things I don't want to talk about that stuff Progress is a great buzzword. It really is and while pro you know progress is a great buzzword the impetus and motivator for all of that Is change? It's the only way progress ever occurs. Excuse me Joe three minutes. Rob. Thank you. Thank you could I have Travis Travis here. Could you come on up to and? Trevor It's all yours. Hi. My name is Trevor Martin. I'm here on behalf of the Northeast Wisconsin construction and building Trades Council and also plumbers and steam for his local 400 that represents the members that live in the city of Sheboygan I support Aurora's proposal in that proposal investment for an all-patient surgery center a medical office building and upgrades to the Development of the youth sports facilities. This project will contribute to Sheboygan's economic growth and development The new Aurora facility will bring good-paying jobs to the community Provide the infrastructure needed to serve the long-term health needs of the residents of the city of Sheboygan and Is projected to generate an additional $200,000 annually in property tax revenue for the city of Sheboygan? Additionally the butts and farms which will be built as a term at level recreation facility will serve as a regional sports destination and host teams and their families from other parts of the state visitors attending those sporting events will be here to You know prop up the local economy by spending money at restaurants Hotels and all the other amenities the city of Sheboygan has to offer This project is good news for workers with all the added construction jobs that they can benefit from Local businesses who will benefit from the new tourism dollars and a residence who will see the city of Sheboygan's tax-based grow I encourage you to support this project and With the contributions to the city of Sheboygan's long-term economic Development, thank you. Thank you Trevor. Can I have Dane is Dane here? Dane you want to come on up? Brian it's all your hold on just a second. Let me stop this It's all yours. My name is Brian simple. I live at 1305 Salt 22nd Street in Sheboygan. I've been a resident here my entire life I have a son and a daughter who have both played baseball on the field of dreams I'm not going to talk about the conditions of the field of dreams I'm here representing the building trades and the Carpenter's Union local 731 in the area We have 50 carpenters that live in the city and another hunter that live in Sheboygan County Unfortunately our industry it we get rid of green space all the time. It's just it's part of our industry Everyone wants to use buildings. Everyone likes to have buildings, but the construction process is dirty It's it's not always favorable So I'm in favor of the project. I think I think it's very important. It's very important to our members It's very important to the carpenters in the in the area. We Install the foundations the footings the framing we do the install the cabinets the doors the hardware the drywall Ceilings flooring. It's very important to our membership and The members that I represent that I've talked to are they're all in favor of the project as well We have members that live around the field of dreams and that also use their their sons and their daughters also use the field of dreams as well They're in favor of upgraded facilities better soccer fields Better baseball field better baseball diamonds football field. So I'm in favor of the project and Appreciate the time. Thank you Jeff can I have Jeff? Welsh Is Jeff here? Yep And Travis right Yes, okay. Good evening. I'm Travis Martzell. I'm here on behalf of the building trades and the operating engineers local 139 We represent the skilled men and women that build your roads some of our bigger products here as long as my other friends are in the room as acuity Power plants obviously the restoration of Boston store and we'll have an opportunity to work on this particular store or Hospitals coming up and designing and executing the fields in a safe consistent timely manner We have 200 members that I represent they live in in and around the Shabuigan County Definitely quite a few of them especially our older retired members are looking forward to this project Just due to the fact that they got some choice. They're not running down to Milwaukee. They're not running over to Green Bay Appleton Area, okay, we support Aurora's proposal to build a new outpatient surgery center in the medical office building The new facility will improve access to quality health care in their community As someone that represents residents in this community and around it It is important that quality health care is easy to access and is also let's close to home This ensures that they can get the health services that they need to stay healthy So that they can keep working and minimize anytime spent away from their jobs This new facility will provide much-needed expanded access to care and it's sure that Are as a whole growing community communities health care needs will be met locally in the years to come Please support this proposal. Thank you for your time. Thank you Can I have Pam Pam at come on up? And Dane Go for it Dane Czecholinsky 3217 West Apache Drive in Sheboygan. Hello, my name is Dane Czecholinsky. Thank you for this opportunity I'm here speaking to the Common Council as director of the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation or SCEDC The SCDC was created in 2010 forged during the heart of the recession were nearly one out of every ten people Lost their jobs in our community The SCDC's mission today remains the same as as it did when we were created to improve the economic well-being and long-term Prosperity of the businesses residents and communities in Sheboygan County The SCDC fundamentally remains in support of all projects that create jobs and capital investment in our community The majority of our board of directors supports this development on North Taylor Drive We support Aurora's investment just as we would support any other medical or business expansion That leads to more investment and jobs within Sheboygan County The more investments that are made here the more industries that position themselves for long-term growth The more resilient our community will be during future economic cycles Rick we recognize that there's been almost no opposition to the fact that Aurora wants to expand in our community But rather the placement of that expansion on North Taylor Drive, which displaces recreational space Many neighborhood residents feel discouraged at the prospect of losing public green space Despite the development being of economic benefit for the majority of citizens of Sheboygan and Sheboygan County As the SCDC assists a variety of companies looking for new locations due to growth or consolidation One of the first lessons learned is that a business location is a predictor of that business's success Businesses tend to locate near similar successful businesses. This is why we find shopping malls Planned industrial parks and yes, even clustered medical services Industries cluster because the same attributes that make it an area appealing to one company Also makes that area appealing to both its competitors and complementary firms These attributes can include easy access to the interstate and highway 23 an Area service by public transit for use by both employees and patients and Tapping into a customer awareness customer Sorry tapping into customer awareness by locating near similar businesses in an area that have earned the reputation of Sheboygan's medical corridor The phrase Sheboygan medical corridor is used by both the real estate and medical professionals describe North Taylor a visual of this area and And the obvious appeal to the area to the medical industry is seen on this chart that I had distributed earlier It is because of the SCDC has said fast commitment to encouraging and catalyzing Catalyzing jobs and investment in Sheboygan County that our organization would like to go on record and supporting Aurora and their endeavor Right on the button. Thank you Can I have is it Christine Larson? Christine if you want to come on up, please and We have Jeff on board okay. Go ahead Jeff. She could see me. I can Feel that earlier diggin in my heart My address is W1784. Hi view court. I live in the town of Sheboygan Like to talk about a couple ideas gotta get through them quick. I came here about 12 years ago I was a 32 year old urologist straight out of training Pretty bright-eyed bushy tail ready to go had a lot of opportunities over 40 different positions in the state were open I interviewed at cities from as up north and Marshfield out West and La Crosse And as well as two or three spots in Milwaukee, so I literally had my pick of any spot I wanted to go in the state. I'm from Fond du Lac originally. I like this size town Sheboygan at the time if you remember back then was in Reader's Digest top 10 city Hasn't been in there lately has it We've fallen down This city is different than when I came here 12 years ago There were whispers of Blue Harbor projects whispers of PGA championship courses going up fantastic restaurants opening Employment was awesome We were rolling this was a great city in comparison to my hometown of Fond du Lac where I grew up Sheboygan was it It was neat Still is a great city, but it's changed. We've not grasped and hung on to that progressive feeling This is a fantastic opportunity Truly is a once in two three generations Opportunity that comes across to you Alderman you guys get to make a great decision a large decision That will not affect us as much as it will affect my kids and their kids and where they live If you want this city to remain vital and remain a spot where you can attract 32 year old physicians trades guys in the back and their families Somewhere around four or five hundred workers sounds like they have represented between their three speakers We have to grasp this opportunity. This is not maybe this is not folly. This is not fairytale This is a real dollars with real people We have 1700 kids in our Lakeshore United football club I also happen to be a coach and a board member there. It's a fantastic club It's grown a ton. I've been in it since my son 16 since he was nine ten We're up to 1700 members kids That doesn't include sheboy can falls all the outlying communities Hoosburg Plymouth another five six seven hundred kids It was over 23 24 hundred kids that are playing soccer This opportunity isn't just About green space the green space will be there it will be expanded the south side grows The city grows it remains a fresh vital place Another good Yeah Can I have Adam Adam Brill come on up? And Pam It's your turn. Okay Thank you My name is Pam Ott and I live in Sheboygan Falls. I Serve Aurora Sheboygan Memorial Medical Center and the Aurora clinics in Sheboygan and Calumet counties. I Urged you to support this project for the Sheboygan community by voting in favor of both proposed amendments tonight. I Do recognize that this has been a very difficult and emotional time. I Would like to recap the three primary reasons why this project is so important to the Sheboygan community number one Increased access to health care services in a more centralized location for our families in Sheboygan County number two The ripple effect of this entire project including the development of the new regional sports complex will support significant economic development in our city and county Including development we haven't even imagined yet Number three as a condition of sale Aurora will be replacing and upgrading the athletic fields Which will jump start the new regional sports complex This is what my hometown of Rona, Wisconsin did However over a much longer period of time. I Would like to share with you excerpts from an email. I received from the mayor of Rona, Wisconsin number one We are very proud that Verona has the reputation of being a sports Mecca our current and past city councils Recognized the importance of providing this service to our residents and their families and also view it as a significant economic driver for our community We continually receive positive feedback from visitors regarding the quality of our facilities and the friendliness of our community He went on and talked about that a third hotel is being built near the Holiday Inn And we're going through the process of approving a fourth hotel near a new Establishment many people that come to Verona for sporting events are staying at other hotels because we just don't have enough hotel rooms In addition, thousands of families come to Verona for sporting events, but do not require overnight room He also talked about he went on and talked about that several national tournaments of various sports have taken place in Verona And continue to reserve our facilities for their events and also Verona has also now hosted This is something they didn't imagine They we host the Iron Man event or a portion of it the biking portion and he writes it amazes me How many vehicles I see with out-of-state license plates coming to Verona to train for the Iron Man? They also visit and spend money at our restaurants and other local businesses For these reasons I urge you to support this entire project and vote in favor of both of the proposed amendments tonight Thank You Pam Next could I have Donald Donald girk come on up Donald are you here? Okay, and Christine and go ahead I'm Christine Larson. I'm the director of operations at the Eurasia wine clinic And I am here tonight to urge you to vote in favor of the proposal I want to speak a little bit about the public health issues that I as a nurse Feel compelled to tell you about we have a juvenile diabetes issue in this community and Supporting this proposal and building the athletic facilities that are proposed as part of this project Will help us take care of kids in our community that have diabetes and other health issues related to obesity It's very very important the physicians that have gotten up here and spoken about Lack of space in the operating rooms and the condition of the current field of dreams It's all very important, but ultimately we're here to take care of patients, and that's why I'm here tonight I'm not going to take my full three minutes, but I want to impassion you To vote in favor of the project so that we can get some real life Efforts going to get our kids healthier and stave off obesity and diabetes. Thank you. Thank you Can I get Kurt Brower to come on up Kurt? Are you here? Is Kurt Brower Okay, we'll go to the next one. I believe it's Jill Reese Berg Is Jill here? Kurt's coming up Okay All right Adam, right? Yes. Go ahead. Hello. My name is Adam Brill. I'm now patient rehabilitation supervisor over at Aurora Sports Medicine Institute here in Sheboygan I have the responsibility of overseeing our therapy department as well as our sports medicine department and the one word that really Thought of coming into this night, and I've been hearing over and over again as opportunity I'd like to speak to you about three different opportunities one in regards to the health and safety of our children the other Opportunity and to expand health services that are desperately needed for this area as well as the opportunity to be able to expand Current services to also meet those demanding needs from a child safety standpoint I'm an athletic trainer by background our big areas are injury prevention injury evaluation as well as injury rehabilitation I can tell you firsthand because I've taken care of them the children that have been injured from the current fields and the Status of how they're kept and how they've been in specifically in the early spring as well as the late fall Brand new athletics facilities will help prevent those injuries parents don't like medical bills kids Don't like sitting out of sports giving a brand new complex is going to allow them to not only prevent from getting injured But also play on better facilities and the amount of economic development as other people have said much better than myself The second opportunity I like to tell you is being in the city of Sheboygan Being able to expand and grow our present services to be able to help the community that desperately needs it in my Line of work over at the sports med Institute We're dealing with people that have functional limitations that have a hard time with mobility the surgery center Not only will help take care of their problem But the pre-operation visits with orthopedic surgeons that'll be on site as well as the follow-up appointments with physicians as well as our therapy Staff will be key in being centrally located to allow for less distance from them to travel as well as to be on city bus routes To be able to get them to our facility We have a number of patients right now that have a hard time getting to see us and keeping us within the city Will help continue to let them use the bus line to be able to get us there the third opportunity to be able to look at Expanding other services. It's been talked about. This is not a hospital This is a medical office building with an outpatient surgery center by offloading some of our current clinic programs as well as our hospital programs That leaves a void that our other services such as our NICU or ED behavioral health They're gonna be able to expand into that. We've said already. We're the only NICU that's in this area We have the only inpatient behavioral health unit in this area by Offloading some of these hospital Programs we're gonna be able to reinvest that money into our current hospital building So it the thought that this new building is a hospital just just isn't true Because there is gonna be a lot of time and effort put into those different areas. So again, we look at opportunity Opportunity doesn't come very often when we look at the amount of opportunities To the extent and the grandeur that these opportunities present I would really urge you and please ask that you please vote in favor of a great opportunity Not only for the city of Sheboygan, but also for this area. Thank you for your time. Thank you, madam Jill is Jill here, please Donald It's your turn. Thank you. Hi. Good evening, mr. Mayor and council members I'm speaking for the silent majority that are living in the Mapledale area. I lived at 29th Street. I lived at 27th place and I moved up my parents in 1945 to 26th Street. I've lived in this area for 70 years When this was farmland, we're talking about the slouchy field that they have at at the what the field of dreams Well, I can attest to that because there used to be a creek that used to run through there and it ran down to Gileab no Which is Gileab no it and 29th Street today But Gileab no didn't go through and there was a small lake there, so I can attest to the water the seniors Younger or old need this medical facility. I Watch this whole area develop It's not good at least they will use it full-time The way it's being used now. It's just seasonal and only part-time and when they do use it I walk I walk this route. I used to run it. I'm too old to run now I'm 82 I can't run anymore Do I walk this route so I observe what's going on there when they do use it They only use a little bit of the south side of it They use a little bit of the north side of it the rest of the field stands empty Over 90% of this field is never used for anything. It stands empty When the season comes in winter comes there's nothing on there, but once in a while some people are running their dogs Shame but I'll go on Now I like to address some of these myths that letter writers rate. I call them scare scare tactics They write in there my properties going to devaluate because they're gonna put a medical facility Not true You could have gone on to your computer and looked up the assessments They assessed values of the property that surround Memorial Hospital and you would find that these properties are in demand I've talked to a realtor and these properties when they go on the market. They sell immediately If your property devaluates, it's your responsibility to let you when your property you don't take care of it. You are responsible This building will not devaluate your property scare tactic number two they use in these letters that they write to the press Which really aggravates me? Parks and picnic areas well neighbors be aware because now we're coming to your neighborhood next and we're gonna take your park out It's gonna be gone The few of the dreams were never designed to be a park. It was designed for a middle school Now if you had a middle school built there and you live there you'd have children going up and down and running around and Have paper in your yard to have all kinds of use me Donald. I have to interrupt. I'm sorry Too bad. I'm not done. I know Thank you Okay, can I get Chris our chief up here? Chris Domigalski is he somewhere Chris? Our chief He's coming okay now, we're set Good to go now and Yes, you can yeah, but it's a tough act to follow As a resident of Sheboygan and as a member of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 494 I support the Aurora's proposal to build a new outpatient surgery center medical office building an investment in our community Recreation facility as a resident of Sheboygan and a parent of children who are actively involved in our community youth sports league I'm particularly excited about Aurora's investment in our community's recreation facilities Aurora proposes will bring a combined 37 new acres of recreational space unto our community Which will include the relocation and upgrading in the field of dreams and combine to the development of a regional sport tournament facility at the Buttson farm the Buttson farm development Will include a tournament level field The facility will serve as a regional destination for tournaments and bring in new families attending their children's games into our community The tourism generated by the regional tournament will generate local business Support from visiting families additionally the project will expand Access for youth sports leagues and encourage children to be active and healthy sports activities I hope you support the Aurora proposal as This project is truly an investment in our children and in our community. Thank you. Thank you All right, can I get I'm Renee Renee rush up and Jill Hi, I'm Jill Riesberg. I live at 3706 superior Avenue. I'm here about the sale of the field of dreams I feel this sale is a win-win for all involved our children are resilient And I don't think they will be traumatized if the field of dreams is improved and moved across the street Parents drive their children all over the county and the state for sporting events as it is now I don't think it would be that troublesome to drive them to the Buttson location Why not build a state-of-the-art sports complex? It will boost their economy and it's the wish of Mrs. Buttson Someone said there are too many doctor's offices in the area of the field of dreams And we don't need one more. She is correct in the fact that there are several medical offices dental offices a hospital and a Surgery center. This is a time when patients have a right to choose who they want to treat them for their medical care. I Am an Aurora caregiver for over 45 years, and I've seen a lot of change in medicine The field of dreams is the perfect location for the medical complex because it's on the bus route It has easy access to and from highway 23 and I 43 now to mention its close proximity to Memorial Medical Center Aurora is committed to giving high-quality care along with patient-centered service And it would be absurd of me to assume all opposed to this sale or non-Aurora patients If you are an Aurora patient, you will understand Memorial Medical Center and the Sheboygan clinic are filled to capacity This medical complex will allow patients to stay in Sheboygan for their medical care and not have to travel to other cities This complex will enable Aurora to provide additional high quality providers and caregivers to meet the needs of our patients I remember Mr. Hummage as a kind man who loved God family community and children. I Find it hard to understand how a man with that integrity would be upset by this sale Wasn't it his dream to implement a recreational space for a children that is useful and safe? Back in the day Sheboygan was known as a city of four C's churches cheese children and chairs Well, the chairs are gone, but we can get back to the four C's Churches cheese children and community how fortunate are we as a community to have two people who love our children so much that they would donate large sums of money for our children and Maybe we could honor them by putting their name on each site. Thank you. Thank you I Herb are you here? I Know he's here because I saw him He's coming. Okay Chris go ahead. Good evening. I just wanted to talk again for a couple minutes about the importance of keeping Aurora in the city because of the services that they deliver quality services that are needed in our community both the emergency room and Crisis services across the country. There's a huge crisis With access to mental health care services Sheboygan Aurora provides both inpatient and outpatient mental health services Without we would be in a very big big bad place So I appreciate the services that that they deliver to the community in those areas in their commitment to creating a mental health Wellness center to help further move the city forward in those areas. Thanks. Thank you, Chris Can we get Patricia? I'm not sure the last name Patricia Leganowski, maybe All right, we have We got Renee Renee. You've got three minutes. Thank you First of all, I want to say that I urge you to vote no to the reclassification and to the rezoning of 3306 same and Avenue I Realize that some of your minds have been made up some have been made up from day one some are still undecided and some are not sure Still I Feel like if you're voting you need to be voting the voice of your district and some of you have said that I feel that My district voices are saying to vote for it or district voices to say against it I want to say that my district. I'm not sure To this date who's gonna vote for it or who's going to vote against it I would hope that the people in district to our voices would be heard and this would be voted down Because our district does not want to have this happen. We are not Going to say that you know Debate whether or not it's a park if you're old if you're reclassifying open public park space Obviously, it's considered a park regardless of who owns it. There's county parks. There's city parks. There's school parks There's state parks.  We can't ask any questions. We can't get any dialogue When we try to sometimes we're getting responses from some of the alderman sometimes we're not we're not getting questions answered It's very frustrating on our end. We all we want to know all we want is our voices heard We want to feel like we are important and that we are listened to and throughout this whole process I don't feel that I have been listened to I don't feel like I am important enough to give the time of day to to hear at my What I have to say and how I feel and what? People I represent have to say I felt like we've been roadblocked many times in various areas We've also been asked to bring out some information give us some numbers give us some, you know Idea of what's going to cost what's going to happen so we bring that out and then people are telling us you're lying You're not saying the truth, but everything we found has been on the internet everything we found we've been through We're not making up numbers. We're not making things up. Why is the burden of proof on the citizens? Why is it not on your end or Aurora's end to answer the questions and give these answers and stop playing this game? What is the rush? Why do we have to hurry up and get this deal done now? I mean we've gotten two months maybe not even two months to discuss this and there has not been a discussion It's been you say something I say something then you say something and then someone else says something and that's all it is It's not a discussion at all I want to know how many people have you spoken with that aren't affiliated with Aurora that aren't employed by Aurora or have Wives or husbands that work at Aurora How many people have you spoken to that are in favor of this that do not have a leg in the race that don't that aren't going to get Some sort of financial gain gives me Renee your time stop Can I get Chris Gregory Chris is Chris here and let's it would have been is this on it is and just give me a second You are ready to go My name is Herb Tyler I wish all of you that are sitting in the gallery could have been and you could have had you chosen to have Been on Erie Avenue on March 28, and we had a rally from 10 a.m. To 1 p.m With science saying basically save the field of dreams During that entire three hours that we had a steady stream of traffic on Erie Avenue And it was interesting that we had four negative responses all morning And we had hundreds and hundreds of people with positive responses thumbs up waves Smiles honking the horn in a in a real positive way Which was a real eye-opener to me and would have been to you too had you seen that a very different picture that's being painted right here When voting tonight, there's some things you need to put aside. I'm going to talk about principle We you have to put aside the secret meetings between Aurora and the school district that happened. It's done with It's the most difficult thing to put aside is the dangling carrot for the Buttson property and that is tantalizing I will I will agree with that You have to put aside the one-on-one meetings that Aurora's had with the aldermen that we didn't have the luxury of having and and Represent the people that vote for you your constituents and you have to put aside the vocabulary chosen by Aurora I Really believe Aurora needs a facility when they talk about needs. I agree with that I think it's an old facility and I think it this community is going to be well well represented and well served when it's replaced However, when they say they need to be on the field of dreams, that's a want and there's a huge difference between needs and wants In the face of all of that and all this transpired I'm asking you to vote against the rezoning on this principle that lands set aside for parks should not go to any business venture It's wrong for any reason To fundamentally change the nature of a large residential neighborhood by building over a citizen-owned recreational facility Save 3306 Seaman Avenue commonly known as the field of dreams What will happen Aurora will still build a surgery center and an office building and they're still going to be the revenue of the Tax revenue that you're talking about and more doctors and robotics You're still going to have improved medical services, which is a wonderful thing for the community all of those things will happen not one Higher-up person and management Aurora has ever made the threat that if this isn't done at this location We're going to leave Shabuagan. That's never happened because they have no intention of doing that at least they're honest about that They they'll stay in the community. They'll build in the community. You couldn't get them to leave if you tried Because they want to be here and that's a good thing The it'll take longer to develop the Buttson property I'll give you that anything worth having is worth working hard for in the harder Work for it the more precious it becomes to you so our community has a long tradition of supporting sports and being generous in the community and Helping youth activities, and they will your time is up. Thank you. Thank you Can I have Susan? Sunquist is Susan here and Patricia You are next. I'm Pat Legonowski from 22 25 North 35th Street. Patricia. Could you lower the mic a little bit? What was the last name last name like an elsky, okay? I've lived in that neighborhood for 37 years. I've been there. It was a cornfield when I came Then the school system bought it from the church of an easter church That was fine. They said that they were going to build a school there.  We were all for it Now it was made into a park We agreed. We thought this or not a park. Excuse me a recreational facility Field we are kids have played there. There's kids There's every day my husband has taken pictures of all the kids playing out there You can go down there every day and even today when they say it's soaking wet. There are kids playing soccer there today Everybody's talking soccer fields soccer fields. What about the baseball fields? The baseball diamond that was dedicated. What about that? To me picking it up and moving it is like taking a cemetery and moving graves to a different place It's a sacred place. It was done in memoriam to someone's son who passed away And I see a few smirks out there, but you know, I'm gonna look past that I mean, it is a sacred place for many of us in that area The other thing that I want to bring up is we talk about You're adding 41 acres. Mrs. Buttson Didn't sell this to the land to the city due to the fact that she knew for many years. You were chasing her to have that part of the industrial park So she decided that she would dedicate this or donate this To the city as recreational area Okay, she would turn over in a grave to find out that you're taking away Because if you have 54 acres that were given to you and that's green space and you have 35 acres right now That's green space and you're gonna move it on to 17 acres. You're taking away. There's no way you are adding green space I just don't understand how people don't get that map and they keep telling us we're incorrect No, you are the 54 acres were given to you to be green space no matter what what we do with them That's a different story. She wanted it for recreation and that's it she wasn't Aware that there is going to be this five million dollars dangling out there that everybody's looking to get this developed with It was to develop slowly. It wasn't to be done quickly Let's see So mainly I want to also know why Aurora isn't going to build on the other land that they purchased the other three Purchases of land that they've done Why aren't they considering those? They are just further south One is way on the south side the others near the new field and the other is off. Excuse me Patricia Next couldn't Melissa is Melissa here brash Melissa Okay, thanks. Hi, my name's Okay, let me yep. Go ahead. Hi. My name is Chris Gregory. I live at 2714 South 15th Street in Sheboygan It's been a long time resident of Sheboygan My kids played soccer in the area for a long time of all those ones 45 years old we helped Build that a field of dreams over there. There's a lot of volunteers That put many hours in there When it comes down to where Aurora is going to build this is something's made to comment about that We don't take this it's going to be thrown in the garbage This is Aurora's plan G and they have a plan H also There's no reason for them to build in a field of dreams With all the property that they do own on the south side There's no reason why they couldn't sit there and build the proper to build a hospital over there Pull it where is another area land? Just as big that they could build on So I encourage you all them into boat and no one to rezoning for the property Thank you Is Matt Is Matt here Matt Reich, I think he's here He's here, okay Susan hold on. Let me just stop this here. Go ahead. Thank you. I'm Susan Sunquist 2338 West Shelley court. I moved to the fine city of Sheboygan 11 years ago because of the wonderful school district I'm an employee there. I love my job. I love the support that the administration gives me I also love my neighborhood. It's why I moved here. I Move because I live next to the field of dreams. I appreciate the green space I appreciate hearing the crack of the bat. I appreciate hearing children screaming and yelling and having fun. I Have absolutely no doubt that Aurora has fine Professionals doctors nurses Building grounds manager support staff. I've used these facilities. I Don't think that any of the quality service that these people provide for us Will deteriorate if they don't take away or move the field of dreams. I don't doubt that I see dedicated people in the audience. I See people and professionals who care about the health care they give and I also believe they will give that same quality health care Somewhere else. I do not think it is appropriate for a business to change a thriving Neighborhood as I drive around this city. I see empty buildings land. I see neighborhoods that are declining This is not a neighborhood. That's declining. It's a neighborhood. That's thriving There are young children in this neighborhood. There are families. There are senior citizens It's a positive area. I would like that to stay and I beg you I beg you tonight to consider what you're doing to a thriving neighborhood in this fine city of Sheboygan If you choose to rezone There's a lot wrong in this community This neighborhood is not one of the things that is wrong a roar is not wrong in this community But not in this place. Thank you very much for your time.  Thank you. I'm Melissa brush from 33 20 Geely Avenue I just gave the alderman and you received this in your email a letter from attorney Baszler on our behalf And it talks about the open meeting laws violation and the fact that this deal came to you illegally So we just want you to know that it also talks about that the fact that the Field of Dreams is a public park should be protected Under the law of the public parks and you need a three-fourths vote in order to pass that reclassification And it also talks about the conflict of interest of one of our alderman And there's proof inside of there on page seven that he is a director on the Aurora Foundation currently I Didn't mention any names mayor We've all seen the facts and this deal between Aurora and the school district is going to have a huge Negative impact on the budget. I've shared that with you. I've given you all the financial information It is going to cost the city taxpayers $2.5 million to do phase one and we all know that We're not going to have it if we do this and we'll never ever see phase two I do want to believe that the council would have sunset the garbage tax two years ago if the city was doing well financially This tax brings in a revenue of $869,000 according to the city budget my question to you is if we truly cannot Unburden the taxpayers with this fee then how can we afford? $800,000 to put towards this this project. It makes no sense. I Came to this city with my husband and who's a city police officer here? And that's why we came and we weren't sure we were going to stay but I'm going to tell you two kids a House two hamsters and two cats later. I think we're staying That's the plan anyway, but I came here with a dream after I got out of college We got married and we had two children and we wanted to buy a home and Location is about our home and we love our home and our neighborhood and we bought our first home in this community because of The commute the neighborhood and the park that is there not because there was a hospital down the street That's not why I bought my home and why I pay my taxes here So my kids play on the field of dreams in many fields. They're Go to Sheboygan area school district. They play soccer. They play football. They play all the sports in this community I'm on the council for the school district in Lincoln, Erdman And I'm actually riding the bus down with one of the classes. I must have been on night Well when I agreed to do with that This Friday, so I help out in the school But I want to tell you that never once has my kids come home from the field of dreams and said boy Those should be tournament style fields. I'm not playing there anymore They never said that about any park in this city not about optimist park not about volwaffe park Not about any park that we've been to we've been playing This is not a necessity for marora to build excuse me melissa There And I have is it I'm not going to pronounce your name wrong. I'll say okay And next on the list matt go ahead Hi, my name is matt brush. I also live at 33 20 geely avenue My plea is a little less emotional in my wife's however. I don't disagree with her intent or her Passion about this All I know about policing really is that good neighbors have good boundaries That's part of the reason that they're zoning laws. They they segregate different areas They keep apartment buildings out of a single family dwelling residents There's a reason behind the city plans We have parcels we buy parcels of land some people have one acre lots some people have half acre lots Some people have small lots like I do Changing those boundaries should be a pretty serious thing and it should be Probably because there are no other choices Our city is still growing our city still has room to build Aurora apparently is known about their needs to expand and I don't disagree And I hate the fact that this has turned like aurora against the neighbors in my area Because it's not we have a lot of we have a lot of Friends and family that are a part of aurora and it's not enough versus them thing The they should expand they belong to the city as much as we do We need them. We need their workers. We need the medical care they provide I encourage them to expand The biggest thing I don't know understand about this thing. It hasn't been explained is if you ever seen the parcel It's a huge it's a huge area. It's a huge big square And the map that we saw shows Right in the middle of this big square It shows this outpatient surgery center and it shows their office complex And it shows like 500 or 600 parking spots Now by comparison across the street at st. Nicholas they sit on two acres of land They have about 60 parking spots and they were really doing the same thing Now if you know what the plan is and you have a big map somewhere that we haven't seen So I understand your growth and I understand how all the tetris pieces are going to fit together in this complex across the street I haven't seen it But I know that if you're building something and you don't know how you're going to expand I know that you don't plop things down in the middle without knowing how the rest of the buildings and stuff We're going to form around it Now we've heard mr. Uh, or dr. Grubner Say that or gravener say that there's no new hospital. There's no new hospital. There's no new hospital It's been quoted in five years from now. He may or may not be here There there may be a new hospital There may be other buildings. They're going to be built over there, but we haven't seen the plan We've seen the plans for what the boots and properties don't look like You know, it's fantastic and I don't disagree with the fact that that would be a gem to have But what I'm saying is I want to own a Porsche. I make a policeman's salary The city can't sunset the garbage tax They have their own financial issues. We're asked to do more with less. That's what the city's been asked to do We've we've downsized. We've done the best with their economy we can We've seen some growth in certain areas like our hotels and stuff like that and I'm happy to see that I'm happy to see our city grow We're going to take undo. Excuse me, ma'am. Yep. Thank you Can I have a toby is a toby green? It's toby. Okay, great Okay I vote no to rezoning the field of dreams Okay, the field of dreams is protected by a dnr stewardship development grant Which needs to be maintained in perpetuity for the enjoyment of the public Changing the property from active recreational to non recreational use requires conversion A process which demands that the city duplicate to equal or better the amenities To a place that is not an existing recreational space Therefore the proposal of upgrading roosevelt park's current high school baseball field to replace the softball field on the current field of Dreams will not work according to these dnr requirements City taxpayers will be left paying the conversion costs and here's why On page six section 12 of the real estate purchase agreement It states the quote the buyer aurora shall not be liable for any of the seller's obligations Contracts agreements whatsoever unquote, which means that we the city taxpayers are responsible for completing any of the replacement obligations left unfulfilled by aurora's funds Page nine section 24 states that aurora is responsible for the construction of the fields on the east parcel But there is no dollar amount commitment in the purchase agreement And it does not require aurora to pay for the decontamination of that parcel the disposal of the contaminated soil Infrastructure etc, which will therefore fall on to city taxpayers again on page nine section 25 Of the purposes agreement it states that aurora will only contribute 2,233,244 dollars to be used for the construction of the replacement field At the top of page 10 it says quote aurora releases all obligations to pay for any costs above this donation The rezone application falsely states that there is a net gain of 40 acres But the boots and property was donated to the city of shabuigan. So we already own it I am sure that miss bootson wanted to add to the city's green space Not take away parks from shabuigan The field of dreams was not for sale and was sold in haste below its real value in the stewardship conversion screening form The 25 acre east parcel was appraised at 2,560,000 Therefore the 35 acre field of dreams would be valued at 3,500,000 But aurora is only paying 2,500,000 Our petition against the rezoning of the field of dreams confirms that city council members should vote accordingly Aurora can build on its other properties or buy a commercial property in shabuigan and spare the field of dreams and its residents It's not the job of the city of shabuigan to rezone a popular park for the benefit of aurora a private business I support city statutes 74-2 which states the city shall establish maintain and preserve its parks in Perpetuity for the benefit and enjoyment of all generations of the city's residents. Thank you. Thank you, debbie And Scott you'll come up to alderman-born spot. All right Alizee you can go ahead. Yes. My name is Alizee and I reside at 1704 north 35th street So I would break down a lot of these comments into what we could Basically break down as marketing So I would like to address the council as to your obligations Even beyond the constituents you have other obligations the field of dreams is a park. So I will Go after what debbie brought up section 74 dash 2 the establishment of parks The city shall establish maintain and preserve its parks and perpetuity for the benefit and enjoyment of all generations of the city's residents The taking of a park for any non park use either public or private is a serious matter And shall not be done without the recommendation of the board of parks and forestry commission to the public works committee By 34's vote as the three public hearings have been held regarding whether or not a park should be taken or a referendum held A recommendation of the board of parks and forestry commission to the public's works committee to take a park for Any non park use must be approved by the public works committee and confirmed by a three-fourth vote of the common council A recommendation to hold a referendum may be approved by a majority vote of the common council I don't know if even It has gone to parks and forestry or the public works But that is certainly a part of this ordinance that you should be following Any change in ordinance requires a three-fourth vote of the common council According to the city of shabuigan zoning mat There is a small stream running through the north west portion of the property many have already mentioned it According to the shabuigan county zoning mat the small stream channel feeds into a pond on the northwest corner of the field of Dreams and is coded as p1 According to the city's own ordinance Subtractor 15-5 natural resource protection regulations This little stream channel would be designated as a non navigable drainageway subject to section 15 Dot 506 drainageway overlay zoning district according to table 15.204 A drainageway would fall under the jurisdiction of Permanently protected green space areas to provide a natural resource buffer zone with minimally allowed development the determination of the drainageway boundaries General drainageway boundaries are depicted on sheet 2 of the official zoning map. However, when I have Gone to the city to find out what happened with this sheet. It is suspiciously missing. I would like to add that We did the right thing for any of you who remember it was shared in park It stayed a park. So I would urge you do the right thing again. We didn't regret it then we aren't going to regret it now another thing Look at some of the cities around our country. I mean new york city. Do you know it for a medical facility? Everyone knows central park. I mean come on. This doesn't take rocket science and our ordinances back it up as well I urge you do the right thing tonight Just your reputation will basically be on the line. Thank you Can I have um ken is it eberhardt ken? And then we have toby go ahead toby. Okay, my real name is lorraine Most of my friends call me toby last name is green and I live at 2308 North 35th street. I had a prepared statement here And I decided to do a couple of rebuttals instead of reading my statement First of all on the way over here.  So it looked like it was functioning just fine um There's been a great controversy between what is a recreational facility and a park I bet you if I looked them up, I didn't have a dictionary and I don't have a iphone But uh, I I probably would get the same definition. One is synonymous with the other synonymous. Excuse me um One person mentioned They told that this is going to be good for the whole community rezoning the property and selling it to aurora I personally am here to tell you I'm part of this community and it's not good for me It's not good for my neighbors as you've heard the last half of the people speaking Nobody seemed to be Real really excited about that So it's not not good for the whole community These are things that I just jotted it down um One person talked about the zoning Uh, I can't remember who it was. But anyway, he said that the there was only residential On one part particular area. Well, excuse me. The whole the whole park is surrounded by residential Except for the church across the street to the south The empty field across the street Everybody else that lives there. I mean that is residential another person says This is not going to take anything away from anybody. I mean they actually Said made that statement and and I I charge him to tell that to the children who are playing Soccer there tonight and who are probably planning going on going there this weekend And here's the one that has gotten me from right from the very beginning People have come up here from aurora. They're sitting out there. They have all the seats Reserved they came up to here for the first half of the of the presentation or Input session. There's been carpenter speaking restaurant owners as stream steamfitters doctors nurses And they have they're telling you that you should vote for the rezoning Because that's going to make aurora's business operative. Well aurora can operate anybody anywhere. Excuse me This has not been The the focus of this conversation the focus of this conversation is Do we sell that piece of property and destroy a park so that aurora can can build buildings on it and change Change its structure. That is the question. It's not what aurora is doing Or what the restaurant owner is going to do because all of that will excuse me toby. Yes. Thank you Okay, thank you Can I get Jim is it I'm not sure how to pronounce your last name h o e l l Okay, didn't want to even try it All right scott and we're going to have scott first Yep, and he won't be coming up. He'll be right there. Okay scott go ahead Okay, the first question probably should be asked is to fuel the dreams of park Some people say it's not a park Some say it is a park and if you look at the screen on the board It says that on line four That property is classified as a public park and open space So how can it not be a public park if it's zoned for that? And I think that's something that's forgotten And we've had people say aurora has got to build on that property Aurora can build anywhere in this city where there's enough land That's not being used for something else already They aren't going to leave the city Everybody's going to get the jobs the construction firms are going to get the job of building Wherever they build in the city. I heard that they need public transportation. I'm sure mayor man Van der steen the head of memorial And the head of shaboygan metro could sit down and have all the problems solved with public transportation in 30 minutes So that shouldn't make no difference I've also heard people say that the current field of dreams is in bad shape Well, that's a maintenance issue wouldn't the same thing happen to a new field of dreams in 10 years If the upkeep is not kept up I also have heard That we need to attract tournaments by having a new field of dreams Well the different organizations that sponsor tournaments look for a place where they can get a good field and a central location To attract a lot of teams How many teams are going to come from the east the southeast or the Northeast you got a lake there so Even if you have new facilities the lake is going to prevent a lot of tournaments come from coming here Also, I was told that Aurora has outdated facilities Well, what does that mean does that mean they're going to build a new hospital anyway on that site? If they want to move and build on a new site That's not being used. There is a site across the street from the field of dreams to the east Nobody would complain about that being fixed up part of that area right now as an eyesore And aurora would still be in their medical corridor like they want Also A lot of people that would come to the tournaments If they're on the south side on a new field of dreams would come from the south They're going to take the first freeway exit to get there from the south And they're going to leave the same way They are not going to head into the city of shabuagan to go to a restaurant or any other place It's just going to make it much easier for the people to avoid shabuagan. Thank you Okay, can I have uh, jane martin, please I believe it's jane Ken it's your turn Hello Go ahead I've been coming to the field of dreams for many years. It's been a lot of time there My main concern With the vote today Is how it'll affect the other parks in our city I'm afraid that this will set a dangerous precedent And endanger all of our parks If another business were to come in and offer a large amount of money Whatever green park go koana's park any of our parks That's what we have to look at And I urge everyone To vote no Can I get car is a carl bloomless carl if you wouldn't mind Jim you're up. Thank you I'm uh, jim hail. I'm a physician at aurora. There really hasn't been a lot of physicians when they say that we've had two prior to me There's Over a hundred physicians in advanced practice Providers at aurora in this community and we've heard only a few Um, and you know, I actually grew up in this city I uh went away from my education came back And to echo a thing uh, dr. Welsh said is that when he came out he was looking for a vibrant community What's interesting is can a community bring back their own? To be honest In my year there was one other physician who came back to this community dr. Wake since then nobody um One of the things at aurora that I do is Work as a or operations And so I acutely see the operation effects of aurora every day And when they say will we leave this community? No, we will not we will give care And we'll give excellent care But we want to give better If we don't expand will it deteriorate? No, it'll stagnate. We'll give great care, but we can't give better In the 15 years that I've been here We have expanded services tremendously my department alone anesthesia has at least One and a half time or another half amount of providers The reason we do that is because we have increased the amount of services in the facility dramatically Services that never been provided in this community It this at this point we have reached the capacity of the building the built building we keep upgrading But we cannot upgrade the space any further. So our space confinement. So we need to offload Since we've since I've been here every physician says we're going to expand It's been our dream to expand this field of dreams is our dream also It's going to be our dream for the future to actually expand services of aurora to that area Doesn't make sense. I look at things very common sense wise this Parcel of land doesn't make sense to rezone it. It's not in a complete residential. It's on the edge of a community and a residence To the west or actually to the south just kidney corridor Is a all patient surgery center the exact same exact same thing that aurora wants to have let erect To me if you're looking at it, we're just expanding that boundary in the medical corridor We are not invading into a residential neighborhood We're we're budding up against one Patient care if this thing does not go through We've been like I said, we've been looking for the last 15 years since Mr. Gravener has been here with a physician group our main focus for him to do is to help us expand To find a new facility or an additional facility so that we can expand our services if we do not expand Excuse me jim. Yep. Thank you I'm trying to be very polite Okay, can I have is it tammy Is it rob? Is there a tammy? Okay, can someone Okay All right, jane You are up. Good evening I'm here to again encourage you to vote in favor of the aurora proposal to build a new ambulatory surgery center And medical office building on the field of dreams site I've been an aurora an employee for over 40 years And my can my husband Mike and I have been field of dreams neighbors for 38 years I'm speaking for both of us as we both support the proposal to build The outpatient surgery center and the office building The whole process has been very enlightening for me as I'd never been involved in and only minimally aware of the work of the common council I now realize that one of the most significant ways that a person can contribute to our city is to run for elected office Obviously, it takes a bit of political savvy But it appears that that's not as important as the time the energy and the genuine desire to make our community a better place to live I suspect that not many sheboygan residents. Thank you for what you do Typically everyone is a critic Sometimes myself included I was most impressed with the attention that you have demonstrated to all the residents the aurora employees who have approached the podiums to speak Some of the speakers were articulate Some provided interesting data Some were disorganized some provided inaccurate information. Some have been disrespectful Yet you all politely and respectfully listen to all of us Mike and I walked around the field of dreams this weekend and there are some lawn signs against the proposal But the vast majority of homes are not displaying any signs On east and west shelly court, there are 12 homes and only one neighbor is actively Disagreeing with his proposal Your vote in favor of the proposal will benefit innumerable aurora patients Aurora employees plus thousands of others involved in soccer baseball and football Not to mention the restaurants the hotels the gas stations and others who will be positively impacted The aurora proposal provides for endless opportunities for our sports community and will give it the jump start that it needs Aurora will be a great neighbor to the minority minority of residents in the area that are so unhappy As you likely know, dave gravener has reached out to them in an inclusive and collaborative manner I'm confident that he will continue to encourage the dialogue My fear is that if this proposal is not approved Who will be the next person the next industry or the next corporation? Who will attempt to purchase the field of dreams property or the east parcel the unknown possibilities worry me Thank you for your time and attention. Please support the aurora proposal and make our community A better place to live and provide health care. Thank you gene Okay next I truly can't read this. I think it might be is it an andrew Or it's a and d something they live on pleasant few road. Andrea. Well, there you go Love it All right, carl you are ready to go. Hi, i'm carl blum willis I am a resident of shabu again at 11 36 delingham Um, first of all, I'd like to thank you for the public hearing and the opportunity to speak But I also want to thank each and every one of you I reached out to you and you thanked me and reached out back and I appreciate that as a citizen I don't do this much as far as weigh in and and give it, you know thoughts and opinions But it is nice to feel heard. It's nice to feel listened to It's nice to feel like a voice matters and I appreciate that. Thank you I come as a as a dad Of kids that play soccer and sports and I will be one of those that say yeah those fields We don't get on them in the spring. We don't you know, my son's having soccer practice right now Where he did an hour ago indoors Um at risk of injury and those sort of things where he would really enjoy to be out on a field Where he could play he would enjoy and we would enjoy as a family not having to travel All over the state and having some good tournaments here in shabuigan So I I'm in favor of those things and I would urge you to vote. Yes I I think you know a couple people mentioned different words that come up And I think the one that has been ringing in my head with this is change And change is hard change is hard for everybody. It's and and in this sort of situation You do have to make a decision and you have to make a decision for change And I believe that a vote yes is a vote for positive change for our community In so many ways that have been mentioned and much better Well, uh, uh eloquently said already a positive change for our community. So thank you appreciate it. Thank you John is john bemus We have john bemus Is he in back?  My name is tami rob r a b e. I live at 22 24 north 34th street here in shabuigan First I have to say thank you. Um, I reached out to some of the alderman Especially in my district and I have not heard back from you in this process So, um, even after the vote tonight, I still would like that courtesy of a return phone call Please you represent me in my neighborhood and I expect action when I call So secondly, I certainly urge you to vote no tonight to the rezoning of field of dreams We appreciate everything that aurora has done and aurora has brought up Most of those employees as you've heard were the first half of every meeting since this has happened In addition to that we also understand that aurora has been coaching their employees Through emails as to what to say and what not to say. We also understand that they're um that tonight There are people here that aren't even part of our shabuigan community So why are they here speaking on on aurora's behalf? I don't know but those are questions that should be raised Secondly Why is it that aurora has such a strong interest in this? We all know that there are plenty of land in shabuigan for them to build on Is it because there is a specific? Bonus for those directors to get this project done on time and within budget There are emails to support that So i'll move on in addition You know aurora is donating 5.1 million, which is great. We appreciate that However, it's going to cost 2.7 million to to move the field of dreams over to the east side Why is it that aurora can't build on the east side? They all talk about the the field of dreams now the current field needs upgrades because of um Poor soils so on and so forth That's the same thing is going to happen on the east side the east side is actually in worse condition even after you would construct it in addition So if you use if you have this 2.7 million to move the field of dreams over to the east side You have 25 000 dollars to move the gardens to the south side That leaves a less than 2.3 million to re redevelop the boots and farms on the south side So how much money are the taxpayers willing to pay to get the field or to get boots and farms to where we're advertising it right now It's you're not going to have enough money In the taxpayers or someone will have to pay for that that difference So in addition, um Let's see One of the things that i think has not been brought up in this entire process is that With health, you know, we talked about um all the health services clustered in one area and Truly, I don't believe there has been a study presented or discussed That shows the medicare laws of how close some of these hospitals can be built So I think that's another study that hasn't been completed. Thank you. Thank you Andrea Go ahead Andrea Gavin in 52 68 Pleasant View Road in Plymouth And i'm speaking as a family physician who started practice in Plymouth almost 25 years ago And i'm also chief medical officer over all of the aurora facilities in Sheboygan county Ladies and gentlemen of the common council mayor van der steen The past two months Of activity surrounding the purchase of this land and including the rezoning that we're talking about tonight As well as a dnr approval Have been Very hard on all of us I have watched many people giving testimony over the last two months The neighbors who passionately have fought to save green recreational space adjacent to their homes and we understand that Aurora caregivers who passionately want more space and up-to-date facilities in which to care for patients As well as to recruit and retain Highly trained individuals to care for our community The sports community especially youth soccer and youth football who passionately need more fields to play As well as tournament level fields in which to hold regional games And turn and help our community and our economy City leaders who passionately want to help improve health care access Keep a tax base in the city of Sheboygan and support economic growth The school district who passionately Wants what is best for their students Improved fields for their athletic teams and yes who will eventually sell land that no longer contributes to their vision But most of all this has been hard on all of you the alderman and alder women that represent the city of Sheboygan I don't need to belabor the issues or reiterate the facts that we have heard Simply we need more capacity at aurora. We need access We want to build in the city This location works best for our patients and for our communities We have exhausted all other options if this purchase does not go through. Yes We will go to plan g and we will look outside the city because we will build this facility We are committed to rebuilding the fields It is a contingency of sale of the land We are committed to being good neighbors We are committed to providing high quality health care for our community Your job is a difficult one. I have been a leader in aurora for over 20 years And I understand the struggle and in the difficulty it is to balance serving those you lead With doing what is better for the greater good Often these things align and then it's easy, but sometimes they don't So I ask you tonight Looking at the facts that you vote for what is right for the whole community of Sheboygan. Thank you. Thank you, andra John And you may go ahead So I want to first address why there weren't very many signs Signs aren't free and we had to pay for them and the 50 that we made went like that So every sign that got made was displayed So I want to talk a little bit about the very terrifying apocalyptic scenario that has been laid out That's going to happen here in the city of Sheboygan By the 10 aurora employees that have spoken tonight and some of their other supporters, right?  Now. I serve with dina and andrea on the Safe harbor board. That would be terrible if that happened There'll be a rise in juvenile diabetes and obesity There'll be an epidemic of sports injuries that will just get worse and worse and worse There'll be no work for our skilled trades be no new restaurants. No job growth. No doctors will come to Sheboygan This is the implication that has been made by supporters of the rezone That this will all come to pass That aurora that Sheboygan, excuse me will be this Smoking crater of joblessness and chaos if aurora doesn't get to build This facility on this land Obviously, that's pretty silly Aurora is a very successful business one that I respect They long ago identified the Sheboygan area as a opportunity for them to place and to grow and they've been very successful here It's defies logic to suggest that if they don't get this facility on this land That they're suddenly going to abandon the entire area and pack up and go home What is logical is that the tax and fiscal implications of this project are damaging for every resident of the city every taxpayer The new fields are not being paid in full by aurora Melissa and debbie have shown the shortfalls between what's needed this tournament quality field And what's actually going to be funded by aurora's donation or gift The city has critical so that's going to fall to the city then the taxpayers to pay for the rest of it The city has critical service needs that may otherwise not get met if it develops these funds to the butson development Or the other alternative is that the tournament quality fields the drainage the lights The additional five fields the football fields won't get built And then that's not the promise that we've been led to believe is going to happen So i'm asking you council members to make a fiscally responsible decision the most fiscally responsible decision Which is to say that this is going to burden the city and its taxpayers at a time when it cannot afford it I'm urging you to vote no because it's going to cost the city and its taxpayers An awful lot of money and negatively impact all taxpayers in the community and because the apocalyptic Implications made by supporters of this plan are not logical that they would come to pass. Thank you. Thanks, john Everybody who is on the list has had a chance to speak is there anyone else in the crowd who would still like to Make some comments under the public hearing. Could people put their hands up if they're still interested Okay, um, i'm going to take the uh, she already did i think the clipboard down here and people can come up and again Sinead she's already spoke And then people on deck can just take these chairs and we'll keep on rotating in the same way Sinead, please. Thank you Your name and address then 2320 east mark drive sheboygan wisconsin. My name is morin cobra. And yes, I am on the advisory board Um, and i've been honest from the beginning that i do not support this The reason i don't support it is I grew up in sheboygan And I get shaky public speaking so bear with me when I was a little girl 29th street was the end of sheboygan That's where it ended The city grew and guess what the bus route grew When I moved to where I am now taylor drive was a gravel road I watched st. Nicholas hospital build from my front room window St. Nicholas hospital built on that land nobody opposed it because st. Nick's wasn't trying to destroy anything to build there Aurora needs to expand we all get that Aurora came to sheboygan. They bought memorial hospital. They knew it was outdated. They knew it was landlocked And i'm sure their attention was to expand and yes, they need to but they don't need to expand on this specific location I moved to my location when taylor drive was a gravel road The mall wasn't built Guess what as the city grew and the mall was built the bus route extended If aurora builds on the land that they own on indiana avenue, which they refuse to discuss at the cooper school meeting Or any other land they own Bus routes will go there the city's not going to leave them without a bus route if that's what they want and we all know that People struggled for years To get the field of dreams to be a reality They fundraised they worked And they got it And now you want to destroy it Because aurora says this is the only place they can build I'm not that naive There are other areas they can build Aurora says they have no intention at this time to build a hospital and they probably don't but if you look at the land They are planning to build a hospital there someday. Otherwise, why would they need a piece of land that large? I've seen the program what they're proposing and their surgery center does not take up that whole parcel of land People say this is not a residential area. It is. I've lived there for over 30 years I mean it's ludicrous to build an outpatient surgery center one block from another outpatient surgery center Aurora says they want to better serve the community Spread out the medical care. We have nothing on the south side People don't just live in shabuigan. They live in plimoth. They live in howards grove. They live in cedar grove They need oots. They live in utzburg. These people all need care too Why should the only two places providing care be within a two block area? That doesn't serve the community to the best interest of the people who need that health care Aurora provides quality health care.  Hi. My name is robert butcher I live at 30 20 north 6th street There's always a saying that build it and they will come But what would it bring to shabuigan as a soccer dad? When I go to when I go to soccer tournaments To other cities what I do is I spend and I spend money I'll go to I'll get a hotel overnight. I'll go to mini mart's get gas Get snacks drinks and then after that we'll go to eat for restaurants The next day if there's a long gap between games We'll go shopping and we'll visit other local businesses in the town Having a soccer tournament here would bring over 1500 people and that's just kids alone It also brings Mothers and dads grandparents cousins sons and daughters brothers and sisters I say let those people spend their money here money here and not somewhere else Thank you. Thank you Go ahead. Hi. I'm ruth sharing brach 22 27 north 34th street in shabuigan You all look like my math class at three o'clock So what I say is please stay with us mrs. Sharon brach for a few more minutes I come to you from a personal viewpoint My four children Worked that field since 2002 They worked their way through college mowing that grass weed whacking creating those baseball fields Creating those soccer fields painting lines Pulling sprinklers in the heat of the summer the cold of the spring They come home from a long day at work and say dad mom come and see what I did today They took such pride in that field It is hurtful to me as a mother to hear you complain about the condition of the field of dreams It's beautiful There are people who come from all over the state And say to us and say to my children working in that field. Wow. This is beautiful We have family come from germany and say to us you can play on this beautiful field for free Will that happen when you build club sports on the south side? As far as the question about raising money My kids play soccer baseball football swim all kinds of sports. They're all letter winners We went yes, we went and spent money, but people came here and spent money as well Those tournaments we worked those concession stands. We saw what happened Please reconsider What you are deciding right now to say no Keep our field of dreams the pride that people have put in that field The memories though people have created in that field and now god bless me I have grandchildren that say can we go to grandma's park? What am I going to say to them when they see bulldozers and diggers digging up that field that their mom and dad Worked on tirelessly to work their way through college. Thank you Go ahead I am a ted gmini north 6467 birch tree road Plymouth, wisconsin. I represent the northeast wisconsin building construction trade council We have 9 000 members that I represent This is an important project for all of us in this community. I understand change is not going to be easy for anybody But it is important if we could imagine sheboygan without change, where would we be today? So I got a little letter here. I want to read to you and thank you for your time The northeast wisconsin building and construction trade council is a proud supporter of aurora proposed for the new patient surgery center the medical office building in sheboygan We believe that the long-term community benefit of this project is very exciting the proposal will stimulate the local economy The new facility will bring good paying jobs to our community Provide the infrastructure to serve the long-term health needs of sheboygan residents And it's projected to generate an additional 200 000 dollars in annual property taxes There will be more than 400 local construction jobs created over the lifetime of this entire project and the new medical facilities And sporting fields are potentially economic drivers to spur future growth for the community The investment into creating a tournament quality sports facility will further Define sheboygan as a regional designation for tourism Our local business communities will flourish with these new dollars Most importantly our members living here They are raising families in sheboygan and the surrounding communities better access to high quality health care New youth sports facilities and new drivers for a more vibrant economic Economy excuse me are in the best interest of their families aurora has proposed a forward-looking plan that is beneficial to our community The northeast wisconsin building and construction train council Endorses this project and encourages our community leaders to commit their support. Thank you Hold on a second. I'll stop the clock Okay, go ahead. My name is laura miller 565 plaza lane plamoth wisconsin I am an aurora employee and proud to say that i'm an aurora an employee In 2002 I purchased a house in plamoth wisconsin When we looked out our window we looked into a beautiful Field it was wonderful And aurora purchased some land and built the clinic there So when we look out our window now, we see um a clinic At first I was a little disappointed because we did see this beautiful land But one day when I was pulling in my subdivision I found my seven-year-old laying on the ground in the middle of the road And my eight-year-old knocking on a neighbor's door My seven-year-old had fallen off his bike and broke his arm I pulled over I was in my car pulled over Scooped him off the ground and within five minutes. I was at a facility that he could get care This as a mom is way more important to me looking at a field He was able to get the specialty care that he needed for his arm The pain medication that he needed For what he was going through And that to me is very important An employee of um as an employee of aurora shabuaga memorial a labor and delivery nurse We are busting at the seams We need this space We need the space to take care of our patients We love our patients. They are a vital part of our lives I've been up since 4 a.m. Taking care of patients and I'm proud to say That I'm an aurora employee and I really think that we need to move forward Thank you My name is dale carls. I live in shabuagan at 2503 purging So obviously there's been a lot of discussion here tonight and uh It's obviously a hot topic I think if you were to look at this logically and from the perspective of a citizen in the in shabuagan I personally am in support of the center because Looking at the field of dreams. There's not a lot of opportunities to To grow or or to improve that facility unless you spend a lot of money to do so Um, I recently moved to shabuagan a few years ago and I was a long-term resident of shabuagan falls Um growing up in shabuagan falls. I had a lot of opportunities as a kid to To be in sports and be involved with those kinds of things and I'd like to have those those same opportunities specifically for my younger children That i'm not sure they're going to have those opportunities without the support of aurora, so My expectations and priorities As a parent of a child going into youth sports is that there's a safe permanent designated area for them to play and uh as I stated shabuagan falls always provided that for me and Moving to shabuagan. Obviously, I'd like to see that same thing Last year the youth the shabuagan youth program joined the traveling league giving our local youth a chance to play kids in areas such as manatee walk in green bay as well as a team in michigan's upper peninsula I had the opportunity to and to enjoy great facilities while I was in school I'm hoping that council will recognize this need an incredible opportunity given to us by the butson family And as well as aurora, I don't believe there's a lot of healthcare companies out there that would give the support to the community and If they are to move outside of shabuagan There's a significant amount of revenue that the city will lose So in addition to that obviously there's many tax benefits As a tax paying citizen, so I see nothing but good that can come out of adding the center And I guess I'm a little confused as to why Some folks wouldn't be in favor of it. I understand those that live in the area In live in that specific residential area could be an issue for you However, regards aurora has agreed to pay for the the additional facilities and moving this This location so as a tax paying citizen, I'm in favor of it And I appreciate your time. Thank you Is there anyone else who hasn't spoken wishes to be heard? You could fill that out after you're done, sir Okay, you are set to go. Hi. I'm i'm dav gravener I'm the president of aurora shabuagan memorial medical center live at 36 18 north 6th street I'm my heart Is challenged by the conversation today because I think what we have done Was meant to be pure in supporting the community And I you know I I feel For the neighbors and that we're we're creating pain for their You know for the hardship that this is creating for them I want you to know though that you know How how we got to this decision Is this decision Was a local decision. It wasn't a corporate decision It was made by our local people that live in this area And as we as we talked through plan g as we talked about there were many plans before that And we considered sites out of the city. We considered sites we owned we considered other sites And we were really challenged with How do we make sure we don't live through the issues that we've had with for the last 25 years? Not being able to expand because it can find space to meet the community needs Not our own to meet the community needs with How do we make sure that we Are making this decision this 75 year 100 year decision for this community that's in the interest of this community So I've I've had a number of caregivers come to me Many of them have supported this some of them don't and And what I feel good about is the fact that that I can stand here and tell you As a community That we this is pure in how we're trying to serve the community And it's it we're not going to lose 86 million dollar investment in our community We will have to explore options if this doesn't work and that isn't meant to be a threat I think it's important that you consider all of the perspectives, but I want you to understand We will not lose the queue to building this center We will build this center somewhere in the county and And if you choose that that it's not in the city In this site, we'll have to go back to square one But we're going to need to do that in a timely way so we don't get out of the queue It's important that we do that in order to meet the community needs. So I want you to just understand that Thank you. Thank you My name is scott share from president shaboy in youth football Um, I speak as a taxpayer. I live at 2503 rolling meadows drive I was born at st. Nicholas hospital in 1967 Sorry memorial, but I was born there room 122 They're no longer there. They moved and built a new hospital All right, the police station right here is no longer a police station. They moved That's called progress. I'm pro jobs and pro children The mall isn't the same mall that they built and they're probably going to tear it down soon All right, that's called progress The quarry where I played as a kid and swam. It's not the same quarry. I don't take my kids there anymore I used to hang out at the lake shore With my friends with cars and the whole thing was lined with cars up and down The street we all partied there had fun good clean fun. It's no longer available to us All right, it's a park. I guess you'd call it. It's beautiful, but the kids can't can't hang out there to change Um You know, my point is I feel bitter sweet who wants to lose a park? I get that But the field of dreams isn't what it was when it was first built too. You have sentimental value there. I get it Neighbors aren't the same neighbors that were there 25 years ago. Not all of you some of you are But I bet in 10 years many of you won't be there either not because there's not a park there But because you'll move things happen. Maybe some people get older. I don't know but things will change That's part of life The big thing, you know that my my point is we're missing out on a great opportunity if your vote here Is because some neighbors Don't want to live across from a big gaudy hospital or a medical facility That's a bad reason to vote you need to vote for the whole and what's good for the community A shabuagin youth football supports having a place to play Much quicker and I support the soccer program as well I don't necessarily support Getting rid of a park But what they're putting on the table Is a far cry from what we're going to see next year if we don't do this It's going to take a huge commitment from our whole community to make this happen But without aurora stepping up to the table. This won't happen There's nobody that's going to give us seven eight nine million dollars five million dollars whatever you want to call The varying accounts of what what's being put on the table That's not going to happen next year without this project. It might happen in 10 years All right, but in the meantime, we're all going to fumble and play in the in the areas that we have to play And in my case our organization has a lousy facility a bit Kiwanis park was a beautiful park back in the day It's not very nice now And and I challenge anybody that says it is I don't think the city spent the dime down there in years Um, I just want to say aurora, uh, I I support aurora personally and uh, look forward to whatever they bring to the table at that park Excuse me Thank you very much Is there anyone else who wishes to be heard? Is there anyone else? Is there anyone else who wishes to be heard? Alderman hammond Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I moved to close the hearing second Thank you for that motion and support All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye opposed Here could we take a five minute break? I guess I'd just like to thank everyone for coming tonight to express your opinions You've all been uh, been very polite and sometimes funny and we appreciate all of your your thoughts tonight Alderman hammond Thank you. Mr. Ma