All right, we are now recording. We're starting an interview with Mr. Michael Sudbury We are in Oakville at the moment and The interviewer will be William McCray once again. So let's start with just a few simple questions So what is a please state your full name? Michael Peter Sudbury and What is your birthday? The 25th of October 1930, which would make you how old today? Thank you for And where were you born in Forest Hill in South of London and as a child, what did your parents do? my father worked for the Westminster Bank Originally and then for the Clearing House in London and My mother was secretary for Pride of getting married okay, and You as a child what did what were your pastimes in South of the south of London that covers quite a quite a period of time Originally I was interested in lighting by the model guide. There was a boy next door to me who built these beautiful Riders and I went with him So in action Did you ever think of getting into aeronautics? Not really Germany 33rd mission Which was rather sad But beyond that Cycling was an occupation that I enjoyed and me as well covered a lot of ground Over the years on the bicycle. Yeah, did you ever do some big treks? Yeah In high school in the summertime with friends we used to travel around Britain Wow cycle cycle from Kent to Devon On one occasion and up to Gloucestershire on another occasion staying in youth hostels Watching in cold water in the morning Yeah sleeping on the palliases But it was great fun And that yeah, no, I'm a big I'm a big cyclist as well. Mm-hmm glad to see another cyclist and When did you start showing an early passion or did you ever show an early passion for? Sciences or engineering or Yes Family was scientifically oriented I think because both my brothers Took physics and they were older. They were younger. Oh, yeah, okay Well, my mother was very interested in in science, too And what did you like specifically about science any subjects or Well, I had a very good chemistry teacher at high school He kept us on their toes Yeah, what wide awake we also had a good physics teacher. This isn't high school It's often the teacher that I creates the interest a yes, yes And So tell me a bit about high school. So you you really got into chemistry and physics Yeah They pretty system How you studied for for school leaving certificate For five years and then if you wish to go on to higher education, then you stay for another two years Specialized okay, so I took chemistry and physics as a general one of About seven subjects in the junior school and then When they specialize for the last two years, it was strictly science. Okay chemistry physics That's and you were planning on going into what had University? I Haven't to clear a plan Father was said I should make up my mind what curve will career I should take and If if I couldn't make up my mind then sure there was a place for me in the bank and that Stimulated my thinking because you didn't want that. That's right. Okay so I Got got the government had produced careers for men and women series series a little booklets and I got Serious one for one weekend and went through it and divided into possible problems and improbables and The only three that careers that appeared to me were one one non-ferrous mining agriculture All in the resources The one that seemed the best fit was the non-ferrous mining When I finally graduated from high school Talked to the principal University In place The professor of metallurgy quarrel Future suggested Canada was the place to go and I had it appeared to me because we have connections there had cousins So There was a course that was organized by the Ontario mining Association some of students for some students at that time and one of the places I had some of students as replacements for regular workers when they were on vacation was at the parking bridge Got a position there for the summer was that that was that a summer position after you finished your yeah Okay, so you just finished So Very much enjoyed that summer. What was your job at Falcon Rich? Okay, I Spent many nights picking wood and steel off the mine belt To protect the crushes And at the end of the summer Yeah, yeah, you like the climate Okay, so you haven't you haven't seen December January February Yeah, you have to you have to the people who are miserable during the winter in Canada people who don't do Exactly who don't you don't enjoy the snow Right on Yeah, lots to do in Sudbury if you like winter. That's for sure So did you apply to what position? After the summer I Middle experimental engineer was the title and they worked out of a lab with Roy Leifert On quality control Checking the check on the way scales and checking the range and concentrations In fact that was initially and then I got into Development book We're interested in a periodite separation At that time we were making quite a low grade concentrate three percent three three three and a half percent nickel for the smaller and The aim was to to upgrade that by removing third Was involved in an investigation of magnetic separators to take the energy to the magnetic properties of Ferreira and So that that led to the installation of Mag separators in the concentrate That now you would say would be your first job Like your first I guess official Preparation of mine backfill by these slimy tabings prior to that we have you the sand and gravel That was Transported underground by gravity We saw it so Sorry Keep certain challenges So I had this this plant I've reduced batches Taking fill and The right moment I introduced water into the pipeline on the ground And then the tailing filled We had telephone communication with the stove that was a very interesting project and Was the foundation for made possible both both mining which was to follow and Would you say that's that's one of your most challenging projects or were there more to come? I've had lots of challenging projects. Yeah And at this point, who would you say or did you have anybody specific? That you consider your mentor Well that came later There was a new concentrator I Know superintendent get the operation going That was also a very interesting experience But after a couple of years things Settling down to a routine Get boys yeah, I applied for research Spent in it to be five years at Falkenbridge and and the the team Senior metallurgist at that time was Phil Thornhill And then for them, I have great respect very very very good scientist and Some knowledge of technology very critical critical faculty Did he teach you anything? Yeah, well what would or maybe not something specific scientifically but what what did What did you gain from him if you had to remember or pick one specific thing What what was the big thing you admired or learned from him? Well, the thing he was working on one of the things he was working on that was development of a Refining process that would be economic encounter That's the the existing process That was operated in the Norwegian refinery the Falkenbridge refinery in Norway Was developed in 1910 was Labor intensive involved with a lot of recentulation a lot of filtration so we needed they did It will be uneconomic to build and operate the planet of that nature in Canada One of the missions that Seek and develop a refining process And he really worked on that One of his major projects We'd love to have various parents options Stealth on hundred-five And out of Out of your entire career you worked for Falconbridge pretty much your entire professional career. Yes, so So I'm guessing within Falconbridge was there a specific period in time or project That was quite dysfunctional Any big dysfunctional moments in your career Depends how you you qualify dysfunctional I could be I was involved in projects which Yeah, not necessarily not necessarily a project that that failed You know you tried and failed that's that happens, but maybe more project or A group you work with that that was dysfunctional so unorganized or Yeah Nicola and refinery was In a sense dysfunctional it was it was a great concept and it was to take periodite and gross depth and use it to the Metallic ion with about three percent nickel in it and the target was the pipeline market pipelines will being built all over Canada at that time for Transportation of oil and gas. Oh what time what period in town was this be about in the 1960s, okay? We wanted to take advantage of this, but there was a somewhat limited market, so we didn't want something to create a The concept and therefore the thing was the project was born under a veil of secrecy When things are kept secret there isn't any Sarah discussion does not scope for questions Well, well most of the elements of the process were Successful it did have a weak link Processes only as those good as the weak link It could have been It might have been avoided if there had been Time and the money and the will to make and construct an integrated pilot plan Which could well have brought out these these efficiencies and Found a way around them In the interest of time that was a Short short cut so between the secrecy and the short cutting the rush It founded It failed failed to see the weak link and And overall did did not work Overall And in in retrospect it would have been an economic anyway because of the oil crisis The price of it was quite energy-intensive it used oil and Co primer as the primary fuel for reduction and Use natural gas for reduction of sulphide oxide to element of sulphur The price of both of those increased 73 and again and I guess later in the decade Okay, no, that's a good example good answer the dysfunctional Project What would be your fondest memory related to to work or professionally I? think perhaps the the Celebration of the signing of the BC will contract of the which one's right the BCO BCO Botswana There was a nickel operation in Botswana and It was shipping its map to North America and It wasn't very economic Cost of refining with Than that was too high or they thought so so we got into discussion with them and After after a year a fairly intensive negotiation would finally Got the contract to treat their product production and and The signing of that final contract was carried out in Paris and I was with Falkenbridge international by that time in the marketing function and Sandy Allen was present at the refining signing and and The after jumped on Concord and flew to New York and then to Bermuda where which was our base Wow Not bad. Yeah came to the office and announced this Signing and they had a celebration in Bermuda in Bermuda not a bad party.  Yeah, did you work there a lot? I? Worked there for four years I was involved for ten years with Falkenbridge international in building up Custom feed Business Backing off a little during during during this sound is the nickel industry was not very happy place the price of nickel dropped to about a dollar fifty and Several of our minds were on economic Put on standby and There was a very little Inadequate feed for those smaller in the refinery. Well, they had excess capacity and From the job was to find materials to use that capacity Pretty successful PCL is I guess one of the big G-con just a lot of it Contracts yeah, and your job then you said it was marketing. Yeah Recorded raw materials marketing it was the acquisition contracting To treat Okay, so you help and refine so you would go and try to get contracts from around the world Yeah, we visited at every nickel company and talk to all other secondary scrap scrap dealers Go to move scrap business with Must been an interesting job. Oh, it's a fascinating job. Yes. Did you you must have traveled a lot? Yeah, travel to every continent. Yeah, what was your what was your favorite location? or Western Australia I hear even to Being there on business, okay but They all have been merits And Throughout your your lifetime. Yeah, you work for the same company for most of your your life But did you join any professional organizations or committees or things like that? Yeah, I've been involved with CIN. I guess from the beginning and Also joined the TMS the U.S. Metallurgical Society But then once I got involved in the Recycling business I joined the international precious metal industry association Association of metal recyclers and so on Yeah, you did you've done quite a bit of work for Like the the environment and sustainability if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, that's Well, I was always an element in the R&D Look and also in the exploration to make sure we didn't get Materials in a custom feed, okay I Really got involved in Full-time in the environment in 1988 and I've returned from La Vuda to Toronto To head up the environmental department of the corporate office and Establish a clear environmental Policy policies procedures For a logic to was this for Falcon Bridge Canada or international still this was international And what what what changes or policies did you bring? In terms of environmental or sustainable Well, we suppose supported the concept of sustainable development One of the main tools was was the environment law that we did environment law editing maybe all our operations and that Increase the awareness height and the awareness and Like I said, so all Falcon Bridge sites had to respect the specific Set of standards for the environment and you would audit them. Yes, okay And did you did you? Through your work there. Did you enforce? Or put in place any Any new environmental laws or or rules Well Our standards, yeah, the laws were Being Enhanced More or less continuously and I was involved with the Mining Association of Canada the environmental committee Interfacing with the government On We love the stakeholders on the detailing of these These regulations the regulations to back up the laws That was interesting I bet and as You had talked about One of your I guess role models and started working with who was head of research and development Oh Yeah But then you're talking inspector of time. Yes, these things change quite a bit over 20 30 years But if we go back to well, Phil Phil Thornhill Thornhill he You say you I think he was head of the yeah He was responsible for the lab in Falcon Bridge. Okay at the time and then you took over He he for various reasons he moved to Toronto and So he and VP of metallurgy was watching Archibald Frederick Archibald And you at that time did you take his place in our ND? Yeah in Falcon Bridge. Yeah, okay and and did you While your lifetime there, did you? What were the big projects you worked on or the big things you I? Guess well, I just mentioned the refining We also Folding in upgrading the smaller We love to many many approaches to that over a number of years Mainly focusing on on a dormeration of concentrate different ways to form Concentrate into months, which would be suitable for the blast furnaces, which were the main smelting unit at that time But none and none and none of the techniques the employee were fully satisfactory that one of the devil does I think is that the Concentrate through a reagent coated and didn't stick together very well. Okay, that's why they're using different binders many different And eventually It was decided to Move to electric furnace smelting So then we piloted electric furnace smelting. We piloted the Powerful roasting concentrate to feed the electric planets and is we piloted the slurry handling of production of a thick slurry and Transportation of thick stories. Okay, forgive my ignorance, but electric furnaces it like electric arc furnaces electric Okay, so much dog. Okay. I was just I actually just interviewed mr. Jerry Heffernan this morning It's very big into the electric arc furnaces. Yeah, okay Interesting well after first first electric arc furnaces were in the refinery Then the Dominican Republic installed electric furnaces the process was based on electric reduction and Partially reduced land right So that was a fair amount of technology, but so fine so fine Smelting is different To make a lot planet unit We're a period of time to get experience And out of that really It was exploiting that that Was was the basis of much of the work that I did when I was with Falkner International because We learned to Operate with under reducing conditions, which now is to greatly increase the recovery of cobalt One of the one of the features here was was the use of Copper fingers to cool the furnace walls Retain the integrity of the furnace Followed up by Larry Sealy and others in the in the smelter operation It became a very very very very effective addition to And throughout your work at Falconbridge what What were your go-to social activities outside of Working hours, I guess or even during working hours. Yeah When I was in Honopeng I was in the coming In the winter time excellent And took advantage of the lakes in the summer time when they moved back to Falconbridge teamed up with people and Got into sailing on the North Channel and spent several years Enjoyable weekends roaming the islands Wow It was that Yeah, I'm thinking yeah, that's a lots of good hunting in the Sudbury region. What what was the Social activity trends for for most people and at Falconbridge. Was it also curling and hunting or? Yeah Wasn't just you know Many many people. Okay and were there any At Falconbridge or at least in in the departments you saw or worked with were there any Recurring social issues or social problems like alcohol use or drug use or Abuse anything like that. Well, there's a lot of body There were quite a few premature deaths Related to a bit excessive I hear I in general what I hear is that The guys like to drink generally Yeah Did you get into hockey when you when you moved to Canada? Did you get into hockey a lot once you moved to Canada? Well, that's right Because it's not very Okay The coach lived up the street A lot of fun took a lot of time Yeah, I yeah hockey I was always I was never in hockey. I was always a big downhill skier But yeah, I hear hockey takes up a lot of time. Yeah, especially for the parents Yeah, yeah proud of that. I was into skiing too, but not in Not very intensively. No and um Again at Falcon Bridge Throughout your career how present or absent were were women in the workplace? And if they were what what were typically their roles? There weren't many women when I started In secretarial roles in the office But I started by the wall engineering graduates When I Toward the end of my career that is superintendent of the Concentrator In Strathclyne Did a very very good job There were also women in the exploration field too Okay, the train train was well established by the time I left. So it kind of it followed them whatever was produced from University It followed at Falcon Bridge essentially. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't see too many many Women in the operations The work was generally It's originally anyway game that changed for the time True true, I mean it's still still more men today, but yeah, no, absolutely Okay Yeah, we had we had talked a bit about sustainability and and your work in The environmental standards you actually I see you won the same crude award for excellence in sustainable development Can you can you explain a little bit or elaborate a bit on the they'll work you did to to receive that? Oh Yeah the What was Sustainability was an integral part of that I guess If we look at the Concentrator and The challenge was to Ensure that we didn't discharge water that was unacceptable That we I so isolated the tailings as far as possible and in that field, I think I can take credit for promoting techniques Which We took a vanity to the product separation But the relatively small volume of iron sulfide material under water And We took a vanity to the the fact that the Local the tailings was being stored underground to the point back fell usually which just left left a very fine slime product low in sulfur and The Concentrator installs thickness Which enabled them to recycle the water right to right on site And gave a second product which made an excellent cover and impermeable cover over the pre-existing sulfide their tailings Encourage that very much Responsible for the environment Is as director of environmental affairs So that was one area another area was in this building and the production of sulfuric acid The development of the roasting partial roasting operation facility the production of acid Gave us a strong steady self-adopted flow which the Passive plant needs On refining that really dates back to the fellow phone. It was work and Just assisted in the investigation for their We pioneered the use of solvents for extraction of iron and cobalt from from Hydrochloric acid solutions and Cobalt approach that try us a lot the whammy approach was adopted by the refinery with was successful in simplifying and improving the recovery of cobalt and refinery, I guess the Recycling aspect was also Contribution to sustainability We Managed to recycle a lot of materials Are you saying metals and met metals? Yes Many of which have been piling up because there wasn't enough for them and Super-highlight grinding So what would you do with the leftover melts with the scrap metals? Well, the scrap metals were fed into the refinery Into the refinery or into the smell them to be used up again and The nickel and the cobalt and any precious metals in Recovered one of our contracts was with Rolls Royce and booming them They they were pushing aircraft The limits of aircraft engines and one of their techniques was to form little channels in the blades on the jet engines through through which they could Cooling Each of these blades had to be made cast individually and they they had to suspend little cores in the mold to keep these from these channels now and and the To suspend the the core In the mold they found that the best material is platinum so they have these little platinum pins and and When the Mold was cast the platinum got soaked into the blade and didn't do any harm to the properties of the blade but they had a lot of defects and They wanted to get some credit for the platinum in the defects because the We were able to Compete contract Reprocessing these and you got them. Yeah Right now we are Slightly slightly related in our collection. We actually have a Chicken cannon Which was used to test? Windshields mostly for aircrafts. I don't know if it was used in Engines as well, but it was used to test windshields. I always thought that was one of our our coolest artifacts Yeah, so a chicken cannon they used to throw a I think frozen birds usually To the windshield. No, no, no, I'll see they were frozen. Yeah Yeah, there you go and Could you talk a bit about the end of your career Falcon bridge because then you moved on to consulting, right? Yeah After I graduated mandatory retirement at 65, okay, but they mandatory mandatory mandatory, yeah, yeah but they Was a year before my replacement What was it could be put in place so Started on on consulting basis still for Falcon bridge to fill that here and then following that Colt involved in in other projects. There was an energy project. I was involved with Doing doing a survey of all the operations to characterize their energy consumption Okay That was one project another project which which took quite a lot of time was Seeking ways to utilize by-product Mine by-products mainly tailings and slag And I must say it didn't get too far with the tailings so with the slag we Were quite successful in finding people who were very interested in the slag The price they were prepared to pay was Not high enough in the minds of the legal department to justify the risk of frivolant lawsuits So Steinman from pursuing that. What were the what would be the anticipated lawsuits? They The way the legal department put it the Falcon bridge had a deep pocket and There are always people looking To benefit through illegal lawsuits pockets Under the laws in the States, which was one of our main markets the laws are such that Anybody can So you And it doesn't have to be for any good reason it can be a frivolous and But but by the time you've defended yourself and You've spent spent a lot of money The costs are charged to you. There's no recompense That was the position and we had to accept that it was Valid yeah, yeah We had to reluctantly tell these potential consumers of the smuggler's flag Do you still do some consulting today I haven't had them for The last two years, okay, so fully retired now We're not quite necessary It's just it's funny because every every interview I have whether whether the person's 84 or 91 or 95 they're they never seem to Be completely retired They're always working a little bit at least. Yeah Keeps your mind active Yeah, it is your life after all. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, most of these guys They're their work is their life. Yeah, and you can tell. Yeah, you can tell What would you say is the most proudest moment in your life? Maybe a tough question Yeah, you're all divided into proudest moment and then proudest moment professionally I have a great difficulty answering that question One one because I'm not particularly proud Kind of keep a low profile and I've noticed I've noticed maybe okay, let's change the wording to Satisfied what are you the most satisfied about? Concerning you professionally well, I probably got most satisfaction from from this building this recycling business that it contributed very substantially in The early 80s late 70s early 80s to the survival of the company At least to the bottom line exaggerate You have to be too bad don't be too bashful I think it took the balance Okay, and This is my favorite question I like to ask If you were speaking to me or someone younger a student or anybody like that even children maybe what would be the one Life lesson or piece of advice you would give them Concerning their career or the their future Well pick something you enjoy and work hard at it Take something you like. Yeah Give it your best Excellent excellent piece of advice Is there anything else you'd like to to add or? Or share or tell me if we've missed something Why I think you've done a pretty comprehensive job I wouldn't presume to Oh, no, it's it's really a I mean you've done so much so Is there anything we didn't we didn't elaborate on or you'd like to The only thing with respect to history is Point I made earlier that a lot of the written history is is becoming very hard to find and Okay, the example of the Falkenbridge And reports Try to try to get a copy of the Once from nineteen twenty eight to nineteen fifty-five Jack Jack with Sudbury archives with the company and Nobody nobody feared to have any copies The only place I found that was was at McGill and they have I had a project there to put These rare rare rare reports. They had accumulated reports in most Canadian mining companies over the years and they had a project to put the Established electronic files And I think they got up to a b and c Now is there another money before they got to F Falkenbridge. Yeah So that that that was sad to know and I hope it will be picked up before the People gets to hold that's again, it's just integrates. Yeah, absolutely. Let's hope so Well, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Appreciate your time. My pleasure


We have observed that Peru is quite a large country so in terms of forest management they need to do a little bit more as opposed to Uganda. Uganda is a small country so in terms of resources we need not more than Peru to conserve, to manage our forest very well and of course deal with the tenure issues that are a major challenge for forest management in both countries. So, you know, so far I've learnt that the problems we have are almost similar, the tenure problems we have are almost similar. There are illegal activities going on in Peru as well just like it is in Uganda. Issues of land titling is also happening in Uganda and the challenges that go along with that have observed seem to be similar. But what is unique about Peru is that we have indigenous groups that we have been talking about and have already met some indigenous people here. We don't have many of such. The ones that we have in Uganda are the very minority in terms of, you know, engagement, we don't engage them that much but I see that there is a lot of engagement of the indigenous people and I think it is useful because the influence of many of our forests are being managed in one way or the other. So that is a very unique thing that I learnt and I hope to take back home. I also learnt that the regional governments in Peru which are very autonomous even in terms of forest management, resource management except it is similar, with us we also have regional governments but they are called districts in Uganda and they are controlled by the centre in many ways but here the controls are only the fact that the regional government is supposed to work within the laws that have been prepared by the national government. So that is the sort of difference that I see and how they have been structured is something that I need to take back home. Because they seem to be more autonomous than ours. The opportunities for that but there are also disadvantages for the autonomy. So it is something that I am yet to conclusively pick in today's sub-national engagement because I am sure there are some unique aspects that have related to that as well.


What's up, everybody? How are we doing today? Welcome in. Hey David Carmichael and Ray Seroni Michael Roswedowsky and James Boone. Thank you everybody for showing up today. Hope you all are doing very well. Hope you had a wonderful holiday weekend if you got to celebrate it here in the United States and Web t-rex. Thanks for coming in today Hope everybody again is doing well Especially thank you for coming in today on May 30th, which like I said yesterday was a holiday for most people in the United States, so I'm sure that everybody who has probably a regular job is working right now So thank you anybody who showed up especially to everybody from around the world Hey, noem and mr. Silent vid Yeah, it's good about the t-shirts these t-shirts are available Right below you and the merchandise shop thing that YouTube has should be right below you You can look through it. There's a bunch of different designs like this But yeah, this is the coolest one probably you can get different colors like a white one with a black one, but Hey, Andy but anyway, I'm Hey, James. Yeah, we can wink working I'm gonna start off and just take some time here to talk about some things so I Had a pretty Crazy awful kind of start to the weekend and some of you guys who are on patreon probably already know this but Unfortunately my Old English Bulldog Brutus he passed away on Friday and He was 15 years old so he had a good long life But it was it's really been kind of hard for me to Process I know that I cover the last probably I don't even want to lie I mean probably since he turned 12 I started to prepare myself for the idea that He would be gone one day and you know Even though he lived all the way to 15 it's You know, you think you're ready, but at the same time it's still it's still tough. I mean he had faded out From a shell of his self unfortunately, and that's just what happens when dogs get really old. Thank you, Andy And everybody else and look if anybody sent me messages. I really do appreciate it and all the condolences here I know it's like you're just thinking sometimes. Well, you know, it's just a pet. Hey, Phil. Good to hear man Sorry, I didn't that's was one thing. Sorry. I didn't actually Send you a message back over the weekend because I had so much going on but You know, it's interesting how Having a pet is kind of this phenomenon where you actually are out lit it's almost like having a child that you're gonna outlive and and It really is like hard to deal with because in all honesty in a perfect reality you've got the You know, you're gonna outlive your pets and It's always hard when this happens, it's not the first time it's happened to me, but I do Recognize that it is it can be tough. So Thank you everybody I just wanted to you know, let you know that because he was such a big part of This show to me, especially he was here every single episode. I mean the last couple years just sleeping but He you know Once you get your bigger dog get 15. There's not much Then there's not much He was the point where things just were going downhill And he had fallen down the stairs. I even mentioned did a couple times and Like last week was just it was just too bad for him But again, he had a great long life here He loved to hang out and just be around when I worked on CRT's and stuff. So he was always here He's in a lot of the older episodes and even up to Probably I can't remember on the last episode he was in Probably something recent towards the end of a show or something but I'm gonna go back and do some kind of tribute for him just to make me feel better and You know make a little video of all the stuff because I think it was some funny little skits. He did with me. So I've been dealing with that so I kind of threw off my schedule a little bit last week But today I've actually got this thing which I've Been showing on There Is this Sony BVM actually this is not This is actually not the PVM even though it looks just like a PVM, but it's a BVM model. So hopefully we can Like cope a little bit by just you know repairing this old CRT. This was actually a gift to me from Corey from my life in gaming like a while ago last year. So that's Just really cool. I kind of had this little break. I didn't want exactly so I have to do some traveling next week So I didn't want to start The 900 until that was completely ready. I think we got somebody actually come in to say hey, so Maybe he'll come over here and say hey, I do have Yeah, if anybody have recently lost a pet to it's tough. I mean You know, it's nothing like really lives in a family member that you're close with that can be truly devastating But yeah, Wolfcube started to hear that. Yeah, so This guy at least is here To Kind of hang out. This is my son's dog and His name is Cole and he's Just about a year and almost a half year and a half old So he's nice.  I would say though But things go on so we're gonna just try to go with this. I didn't really want to bring down the mood too much but I did want everybody to know that that's kind of the first public announcement I've made about that and I Like I did like I did say I'll probably do a proper send-off for him. So Let's uh Let's let the check get warmed up a little bit more and I do have I did take some time yesterday that was quite fun I've talked about this before too I go down a local river here It's a branch of the Shenandoah River So if you have any interest you can look that up and see how big and interesting interesting things about this area the Shenandoah River and there's these little passageways you can get on the river and You hop on and like we usually I have a canoe a pretty big size to canoe that's Ladder in the bottom. It's wider and it's made out of plastic because Unfortunately over the years and a lot of times like right now there hasn't been a lot of rain locally and when that happens this water level can go down pretty quickly at this river and so my son myself my Brother-in-law and then my father we all went out on the river yesterday to go fishing and I was kind of concerned to take my son out there because There's always some kind of fiasco that happens on this river with my dad, especially in myself I don't know like we've basically ripped the back of our boat off before and and we're coming in at dark and And almost sank our boats and I thought we were going to be stranded out there one night Which was kind of a scary thought but thankfully we made it literally at dusk off the river but This time it was just a short trip.  It's about five hours Down the river and you're fishing which is fun. It's wonderful And it's great, but you always come now to like the low the river was so low we come to these points where You have to pretty much jump out of the boat pick the boat up and walk it across the rocks and Then Drop it back in the water where it gets deep again You have to do that a couple times because there's so many rocks. There's like three or four times down this Three mile stretch probably you have to do that And a couple times it gets really dicey, you know Because if you just try to ride it out We try to do that a couple times and you know one time we tipped a little bit The canoe took on probably 20 gallons of water right and I'm just bailing out with a cup So we get it out and I was like, well, that was pretty close On that one and then there's all there's two spots on it that are really bad And of course one of those was one our canoe completely went sideways fills up with water and almost uh Almost takes everybody under with it. So it was I mean Thankfully it's not very deep in that area So it's just literally the canoe fills with water and you have to grab your stuff And like half the time something floats down the river and you find it like a mile later An hour later, you'll find your item and my dad lost his hat and it was just floating down the river about a mile downstream so we did uh We did that we had the canoe flip over a couple times we got rained on and my son was a champ I was glad he went out there and did it. He's He's going through that pre teenage so I try to get him It's hard nowadays to try to get a kid out into nature so much Without just like doing it making them do it against almost their will at the beginning but um I'm glad he had that kind of an experience, but uh, yeah, that's what I got to do Yesterday is a little bit of fishing. I did catch a couple fish. There's nothing like Nothing huge trout. There's a lot of little trout, you know, like try this big But Anyway, that was kind of my weekend after Brutus. I did do that um And so I just spent some time trying to relax so let's uh, let's look at some stuff here first what I have The day for everybody is again this sony bvm If we go over here the main camera I'm gonna Cut down that Background music pretty much completely all the way almost and We're looking at this bvm. It's kind of an interesting one. Okay first off There's no volume knob on here on this because there is no speaker on this at all It's completely without um, completely without a speaker and It looks again just like a pvm, but it's actually a bvm And If I go ahead and try To power it on I get nothing It is plugged in it's it's Just we get nothing no no response And 64 light comes on it's all plugged in so we have a power issue Um So what we need to do is try to figure out why there's no power in this bvm and I do think it has the same power supply as As the pvms because I have a lot of parts for those pvms the ones that are in that eight inch size I have power supplies. I have boards um And just from this Just from this little thing uh Not turning on the first couple things I'm thinking is there's an issue in that power supply And oh, yeah, the sdi does make the heat so high and I'm feel I could see that So I'm thinking maybe there's a problem with the power supply We'll check it and maybe even be able to replace it with a pop-in one if it's the same And then um If that's not an issue we actually have uh, I have some of the d boards And I brought them really only because I'm not quite sure There are probably fuses on the d board inside of that p bvm and if it matches similarly to this Uh, this has multiple fuses on it not just glass fuses But solid fuses that we can remove hopefully if we need them from these spare parts boards um, again if we need them and Uh, so the first thing we really should do is open this up And see so I've not Um, actually taken all the screws or anything out of this yet So what we'll do is we'll maybe I can expand our overhead camera a little bit get it ready Come in like this and These are the boards actually um, it's talking about so This is the B board which is the color board which more than likely doesn't have any issues. I just grabbed one And then this is the d board and then here's this fuse that's Not standard her it's uh, you know, um through whole fuse that You can't tell just by looking at it if it's blown, but we can obviously tell that with a multimeter so I think the best Of course, maybe just do this And I don't know let me see if I can get a little bit more lighting over in here and Just kind of go through taking this apart together Uh here on the screen Let's see again if I'll just start Taking it apart Go from there. So if the tubes are the same in this Model Then the good news is if we can get this working again It will be the higher resolution model So you get the higher tv line count if that's um The case because this would be similar to the 8044 pvm that I actually restored last I don't know two weeks ago maybe on stream before the l2 that I did last so I also actually had a purchase I made over the weekend of a pvm on ebay So I can tell you a little bit about that while I'm doing this I went online to ebay and was searching for pvm listings and I found a Largely untested Sony pvm 5 0 4 1 q 5 0 4 1 q So this is the little pvms and I think they just have composite and rgb And maybe component video support I don't believe they actually have s video But I've only worked on them a couple times when they've shown up into the shop. I think twice And I've never owned my own and uh, anyway, I made an offer I offered $200 for it and it was only power tested to come on and of course the person didn't have any methods of testing it Beyond that that includes my shipping. So hopefully it'll arrive. Okay And the reason I got that was really because I Have tons of parts that were donated to me for that for that crt actually uh A lot of them were donated to me Just parts and so I have extra tubes yokes boards everything for that five inch So I'm sure I can get a good working one out of all that All right, look at this. This is inside Inside our sony bvm 8044 qd for u2 from 1998 in january. So it's not A young crt to say Anything like that. What I've got here on the bottom edge. This is the deflection board The d board with those Fuses in them This is the power supply that I was hoping would be the same and See it right there Gosh, I hope this one is a working one. I Believe this is a working model Uh taken from one. It's been so long since I've um Used it or anything. I can't remember it's in the pile with all the good power supplies And so hopefully it's good. But this is our power supply. This is a SOPS 10 21 a and this Says Oh, let's see this one is a It says it right there you see let's get in closer Well, this one is a SOPS 10 21 b Um part numbers are A little bit different. So this one is a dash 31 The replacements is a Dash 24 so All the connection points match and this is not a complex power supply. So I'm um like 95 percent 100 percent almost certain Hey master Safer and Vihu Be hapu Oh, if you're looking for parts. Yeah, uh anything that you would think Um would be good. It's it's hard to say to pick up tubes You know, you can check them for burn and make sure they're not broken But I don't really recommend storing a ton of tubes unless you actually have a need to Feel like a large arcade collection. You might want to try to get a few tubes back up but Most of the time I would only look for certain parts for things that I know I'm looking for um A lot of the parts I get sent to me are straight up from Donations from just like parts bins of the actual pbm. So I know what they are. I don't generally just Take random not things. I don't know All right, so we've got now Our power supply. So let's let's go for the low hanging fruit of swapping out the power supply and to do that um, we'll just put our We'll pull it out and to get it out. We're gonna need to pull actually He bored down So first we'll take those screws out And Excuse me, and I'm gonna get some more light here Turned on And second hanging with me I'll make sure I've got enough lighting in here too Let's see about that Okay, that should help some You could have a boneyard like me, but that's not always fun Especially when you get like rodents trying to hide in it and stuff I don't know boneyards. Yeah, they come with their own issues But it's nice to have stuff, right? I mean because there's a lot of times where I can pull a single component off a broken board If I need it and I have it here as opposed to something that just can't be found anymore And when it comes to professional stuff, it's obviously Important to try to keep it now. Look at this somebody Awesome, man. I hate when I see stuff like this. This is um Somebody came in and just I don't know why But they cut the tally connection light just out tally Still in there The cable's not in there. So maybe they just got annoyed With messing with it for some reason didn't pull this end just clipped it so lazy anyway This is what we need to get out right here um So let's let's do that. We're gonna there's a couple screws here. They're just philips head screws You don't have to discharge this to be there to do this It's another good thing You really probably won't you know, you don't have any real reason to discharge this tube anyway, but we're gonna remove these screws and I also like to Remove like one of these edge screws and move this a little bit over closer to the center Let's say this one and that way we can lift this whole bar up. I've still got the screw up here attached But I've removed that one And that should give us a chance to get this out And this should just slip like backwards a little bit and then up and out We just need to disconnect all the cabling See and that's it. Isn't that easy just to get that out? Okay, that is so easy It's all one power supply Hopefully there's just bad capacitors in here And hopefully again, this one is good so we can actually just plug this in and maybe it'll work And then we can do some servicing if it does work because I've got some plans Maybe just to reconnect everything literally two points you've got DC voltage out of this and um Say probably high voltage in from here because this whole monitor can run on um This whole thing can run on 12 volt DC power if I had that appropriate power supply Hey grail grail's hobbies. Thanks for coming Mario E. Thank you for coming. All right So we're here Pushed in Let's see if we can try this out if it's just that easy or not. All right, so I want to prop it up with the old Power supply a little bit and I'll try to get you a good view here. Oh, yeah, there we go So we're trying to first off get just a green light right here from this led indicator Let's see if we get something though Make sure it's turned off to begin with just for the sake of suspense Plugging the power cable Just get started here We're just getting started here today grail. So we're going about to power test this new power supply Um, and hopefully things don't explode First off second off. Let's hope the power supply is just good. So it works I want that ground cable to really be floating. Maybe I'll take it All first. Oh goodness. Well, that's a stripped screw. So we'll just have that floating up So it's not touching anything. All right. Here goes nothing ah The power supply is good I hear it. Did everybody hear it? I know you can see some type of distortion kind of weird Um Looks like the contrast is blasted all the way up. I have no idea if it works at all I do feel I did thought I felt some life in this tube So, um, it does look like this thing's been like damaged by a drop Or something now that I look at the back of it closer. Let's see if If we get a signal into this what happens It's got that Scary fuzz buzz again. There's no speaker on here. So we're just looking for a video We're going line a Um See what happens There's a line a turned on I don't know There's something There's something Ha ha How about that look at that All right. No, look, it's actually good man. Looks like the tube is actually good here Look at there First slide. Let's look Phil Awesome. So maybe this like burned the power supply just burned up before the person could burn the tube out We've got wave race. Okay So that's a good sign Right. I know that you can't see the You can't see the um this camera is not really set to show you the The best there we go You can see it there. Look at that. That's us video, baby Excellent. So that's a great start So let's try to figure out what was wrong with this original power supply because that's where the issue is It's definitely dead, right? So let's open it up. Maybe we can find like some dead capacitors in there Oh, how wave race never looks so better inverted in my life Hey, I always love it Phil when a tube is not burned out I've got plenty to come about burn tubes so There we go. Great. Okay. So what I'd like to do now is before we really switch out of this I'm going to move this monitor back over here Uh, because we can still do some good things to this Not including like a power or a cap kit, but there's other cool things we can do to service it Um We'll do that but before that I want to look at this power supply There we go. Okay. Good start everybody, right? I always love it when it's just something so simple Like just the power supply and this is you know, if you get like a few if you were save on pat and this was your Client call for the day you get to be a hero so easy, right? You're like, oh, yeah, sure. I got you fixed up with a new power supply Let me take this back to the shop and see what's really going on with it So we can just do that ourselves I'm going to plug everything first and again move System out of the way and then we're going to look at this powers So I think this would be beneficial. So if you if you're curious this same power supply Is in the same power supply comes in Again different model numbers, but it's in like the 8020 any of the two lines The four lines obviously they all have the same power supply. So um If you have a bvm These these like are good parts because they they're so universal that It can easily if even if you just have a bad bvm if you have a good power supply in it or pvm You can sell this Most of the time even for like $50 right to get some money back um Because this part is so useful So what we're going to do is we're going to slide this power supply out Take a closer look at it. There are There's of course this shielding plate right here that I've removed Uh, then we're going to remove some of these screws on the outside Again just Phillips head screws Nothing special That is amazing. I wish I could get pat on I guess I've never Even asked him but I know that he doesn't Don't think he wants to but I don't know maybe I should Talk to him about it sometime. All right Let's we've got that out and this should just kind of slide out this end you do have These parts where you can kind of push the board down a little bit if you can get it out of there It's been in there so long. Let's let's try to get it out Out just destroying it Let's see here because it looks like there's two sides to this board. We're gonna get it out. Don't worry There's nothing else. Man, this one's stuck in here Yeah, he did do the interview with bob a couple years back. I don't know if he has he done another one as pat done Any other interviews online that I'm not aware of Need to convince him to open the pat school for DRT repair want to be wizards Goodness, I don't know why this is just hanging up so much now. There's a man See, I didn't want that. I don't want that to start bending that heat sink I've got to get this out of here though. And the problem is is it's formed a little bit to the the heat sink forms to this plate to kind of dissipate the heat some So I think it's just stuck along that plate more so I need to pry a thinner probably screwdriver down there So I try some other tools to um separate this because this side seems to be rather free it's more along this side where see it's sticking just kind of the pain to the bottom plate Yeah, it's wow.  It's like melted. I think to the metal There's like a plastic maybe piece I just heard to do it like Like there's either that or somebody like glued it in Feels a little bit freer Oh goodness gracious Wow Literally, I've never seen that before It's not coming out.  Come on. Look at that thing. This is unreal the other bottom So it's two it's two things in here and they are just stuck Together and they're like not gonna come out I mean the whole darn heat sinks. There we go. Finally. Holy moly. Yeah Wow, so this was like keeping all that In there. Look at that Thankfully, it's not a big deal for this. Look at this. What the heck? I've not seen one of them with this much just like melted epoxy on the bottom Of the board. What does that even accomplish? What fool did that? Wow So The bottom of this board golly. I don't even really want to mess with it. Well, thankfully that's over by a transformer Uh, this I mean if we have to get this capacitor out We can't even test that capacitor Because it's got gloop 617. That's one of the ones that can go bad. Oh, yeah, look at that Look at that Stinks stinks to high heaven. Look at that. But you see it There you go, folks See that C612 Right there. You see this stuff my Tweezers was touching That's uh burn out electrolytic capacitor fluid right there on that one Good chance that this one right here see 653 is busted too and um What this this capacitor here is probably no good now this one's probably five this 400 volt 180 micro farads Yeah, you could definitely have used a heat gun there But again, this is this is spare parts. I can fix this thing. I know it's a little warped now But I can ding that out. That's not that bad And um, this isn't like a clients Thing I wouldn't do that if it was there. So let's pull this C653 I guarantee you it's bad. I guarantee you And we'll also force 652 652 and 653. I'll get the esr meter Because we can actually put that on these And uh See what they're saying And you could tell that just those bad capacitors will cause you to not have power at all So here's our meter We'll do positive to negative on the caps And look at that that reads good, which is scary Let's see what this one read. Well, shoot. I don't know if I can get to that one Maybe it's these two legs right here No, oh, yeah 20 ohms All the way up there. So that would be bad no matter what See what this one reads down here 652 That's reading low. So those might be good. It might just be that one single cap But I don't know they both look suspect still to me another reading good So we're gonna pull them and check it My FR301 is warming up right now as it does will Sit here and get situated move this back closer And we'll remove these capacitors. Oh it is Thanks, James. I uh, okay. I need to check that. Oh, look at this. This one's so bad the darn capacitor leg Just fell off Uh, yeah, so I'm doing some changes on there. I'm gonna try to make a new video about that for that. I don't think I think the reason is I never officially made an about video and I might have set it up to where I was gonna add one and I don't know if It must have saved that change and Blarty blar dude this stinks so bad. Oh my gosh That's like taking a blowtorch to a can of sardines Oh Gosh, maybe we want to puke Right there.  I need to know what that is actually A 50 volt 47 el na cap Goodness, I'm glad I didn't just throw it in there and not look at it But look at all the crust left behind we need to clean off right right there Uh right in there Yuck folks Yuck and then when you heat that up with like 700 degrees Fahrenheit Oh It's definitely not appealing It smells like captain d's dumpster Let's take out this other cap see what it looks like solder is gone It looks fine. We just need to Oh, this thing's making me want to puke now Whoa, ah bless Whoo, even with ventilation in here. Yeah bill goodness Holy crap This one even though it was reading good on the sr meter it has discharged Can you see it's it's lovely The Fluid right there See that in the reflection right up here. Oh, yeah Some fluids Right there I need laser bear to create the big monster fan for shops. That's super quiet So I don't have to listen to it You don't have to listen to it. Let's see what this other baby Fat baby looks like gosh again not as bad But still juicy down there Man, it smells terrible I should have thought about that But you can see right here. There's a spot of fluid right there on the bottom See what these actually say hate to touch my tools with them, but Let's see what they say on this That's what they say on this meter. I can't believe they read good and circuit there. So that's the problem is this Meters not a hundred percent obviously That's still reading lowest low on the sr all the way down unreal Whoo, they probably work for another five hours 10 hours and then they'll just fizzle out I just don't need that's Gotta give these things. All right, what do we need here? We need replacements 50 volt 680 micro farad. Oh, do I have that? 50 volt 220 and a 50 volt 47. I should have Boast all the big hack. Oh, no, I've got the tiny hack. Oh, but it sounds like a leaf blower in my head So I don't turn it on when I'm streaming Thankfully, I have like a thousand square feet of open area here, but Maybe even more than that Oh, gosh, it smells bad over here worse over here 50. Oh, look at this I've got a 5680 I actually have a 5680. I don't yeah 5680 That's a 5100 This There's a 50 47 52 20 We've got them They we've got them We've got them. We're gonna We're gonna replace these but first Definitely gonna clean this and then what we'll do is we'll actually put this back I'll put this original power side fly back in and We'll see if it works Need some tools need some cleaning material Definitely some isopropyl alcohol isopropyl How about something to clean it with? Oh, it's nasty. Just use this for now. Just a little towel Doesn't have to be anything that special, right? We're gonna just I mean I'm gonna drop some droplets on these spots I don't really care. Let's get on my mat. It'll evaporate Definitely down there. Oh, that's so nasty Oh, if that's so nasty, where's my Brush a little brush Kind of scrub that Down there Make sure there's none of that nasty electrolytic fluid Yeah, edwards. I've been using those more and more And I like them more and more. I get to use them. So Thank you for sending them the recommendation. It's like I might need to Reflow solder on that part right there, too So we'll just clean those spots Not good. Yeah, that looks pretty good That looks pretty good. That looks pretty clean to move on Just about There's nothing thankfully on the back really Okay Excellent, so we should take a second to Just Blow the board clean My little handy blower here get a little bit more clean down there Okay, so I'm gonna bend some of these parts back a little bit. This is our A resistor right here that's got really long legs I don't really want it to short out against the leg of the transformer Down here, even though it's coated Don't really want that to possibly happen And just checking out the integrity of some of these other pieces Just to make sure nothing's really loose broken Bad, you know sometimes these legs can again ground out against points and you don't really want to blow fuses like that there's um Of our Uh transistors up here that could blow too if we had problems We might want to check those if this didn't work, but for sure those capacitors were bad and most likely the issues so Now I can just heat up my iron And we can install Some new fresh capacitors that we have right here And like these aren't the best capacitors. These are like spare ones that are weird values Getting towards the bottom of the barrel and for the show. I'd rather not use my Really nice capacitors, but I would if I had them, but I just don't have like this is an off brand. I'm not sure If it Going to be great. It's it's a low ESR at least it's a low ESR with 100, but it's a Chinese one or something So I would recommend using basically a better one if you had it available Okay, so that's the way I'm going to clip this one And then I've got my 50 volt 220 I don't clip the same way We'll put them all in there and Set them into place These probably have worse ESR than the caps that were we are replacing but They're not Extruding Fluids On a colossal level goodness gracious So that's fun to know that that is working Because I was quite interested to see what that bvm Really, he does anything different. I don't think it's going to be much different than just the 8044. It looks almost the same inside This one does is the pvm. It's just does a digital signal to through Sdi, so that's a good thing like you could just poke that in there And the part just sits there looks nice And then we can solder it in After we put the other two in That's the hopefully the plan Same thing over here. You don't have to have it Sometimes you do have to bend their legs a little bit. Okay Let's go ahead now and install Place this one right here. So I don't have to have it floating sometimes the bigger ones don't Don't sit the same There we go Sorry about that. I know I had to I know I hit the mic Just then so let's let's get a little closer in there Finish off this other pad solder flow right Nicely right there Not really a lot of mess to clean up. Let's reflow over here. Hopefully get that to go all the way around I'm not sure why that's not wanting to Do that Let it cool Now there was one other part. I wanted to make sure I reflowed the solder on right here and that was Definitely this little inductor. I felt like it was wiggling. There we go And then we can install C6 12 over here, and then we'll install the last big one by itself There we go Right up in here. Sorry if I missed that shot on that last one Ended up. Yeah, we got some good solder on there Actually, those legs right there could stand to be trimmed a little bit if I want to but They're probably fine since they have that piece of plastic going between them last one They're a big one over here You just have to be mindful when you are working on this power supply because you do need to note The size of the capacitors that you're using honestly, right because you do have a height limit And obviously a width limit, but the height is going to be the most important characteristic of your capacitor because if it's too tall You won't get it back in that shielding and you won't get it Put together correctly So just get close as you can to the same size as the capacitor at least in the height It's lower. Obviously, it's fine shorter Excellent There we go Now let's just check our work make sure we're all pointing the right directions. I don't even believe it. Do am I? Yes, okay So the for some reason this threw me off, but If we look at this power supply closely Hey, Robinson and over clockwise. Thank you for coming in and uh So we have an interesting thing here. So you notice this capacitor goes this way with polarity This capacitor goes the opposite direction on polarity see that one So you have to be mindful of what it says on the boards And there's that one for the negative leads and make sure that's correct Yep, there That side's positive Right there. That's negative that side's positive negative. So they're switched Robinson, you know, um any iron I don't know what the best iron is. I just know the one that I like for We're soldering. I the first one I had bought still here. I use it Only when I need to take it places because it's kind of what I consider more of a portable thing than Um, most other irons, that's the fx. What is it? Triple 8d or something? The one that's about a hundred dollars from hako And then I'm recently moved up last year to the fx 951 Uh, esd safe station. It's a bit of an upgrade from that A little bit costly, but I really love using it. So it's Since I have a business here where I'm actually doing this stuff It's beneficial all right Thank you for the great question I know that you can do a lot with a lot less On the cost if you're budget concerned, you should definitely consider the recommendation of voltar I know that He recommends a cheaper station that most anybody can afford and do a lot of good work with It's just not one that I've used and I've just always used this one. So there's no problem with using either. It's not as if One is vastly superior to the other. It's just A little bit of a preference thing Grail, I'm not sure there, you know, that's a kind of If you think it's a bad tube. Yeah, you can You have the tube You don't have the tube. I don't know that a lot of consumer sets are worth keeping except for maybe like Boards if you want to take boards out for some reason I would I try to tell people, you know if If it's a consumer set and it's replaceable Still and you can find a replacement for it That's a good option also as opposed to trying to worry about replacing a tube unless you have a replacement tube Should be able to reap but if you do have the same tube with Most likely it'll have the same Yoke there's a good chance of the same yoke and if it does All you have to do is literally Switch the tube and the yoke and actually it might even better to leave the tube and yoke in the chassis And switch in the good boards and see if that's better If it's the same build out, if not, you can take the poor thing apart and do all that that you need to You know, take it apart and put it in the new or your old one Let's just clean up our solder flux residue a little bit after afterwards Same process just a little isopropyl on those spots And you know, this is a thing I've talked about too with these pbms. This is from an era from the late 90s Mid to late 90s where they were still using really good solder So I look at this solder and it looks better than the solder that's generally in the 2000 Mid-2000 late era CRTs a lot of the times they seem to switch over to either A lead free solder sometimes or a blend that seemed to just not be as durable. I think it's an interesting Interesting thing. I've just noticed. I'm not saying that's always the case But there's a a lot of times when it seems that way like I look at this solder. It just looks good Compared to a lot of that stuff Okay Should be pretty much it for that spot. Let's clean this last spot over here Okay and Should be good now A little bit of air Just go over that whole board again. Just to knock that last dust off Hello buck welcome in back. It's back our buck Hey, just sound wave 00 Welcome in. It's pretty clean Um on our solder points here. We got a nice and Nice and shiny down here right here fresh solder log l 651 So look at that as our installed capacitors right there cleaned up looking good, right? I think it looks pretty good Really, how would you know that these were not factory installed?  It's great It's a wonderful tv. Well might be the best tv, but it's going to still have the solder free or lead free solder problem And it's going to have durability issues So everything's good here. We're going to Get this back together. Let's hopefully Hopefully it mess up too bad Back out here a little bit for a viewing viewing pleasure It's not it's not Going in there super easy is it so Trying to line it up and these slots up at the top right there And then down here. I gotta line it up also, but see I It's a little secret here. I might have bent it a little bit earlier There we go. There we go. Look at that slide in there. That's good enough now I mean the facts are the facts on some of those things. I wish it wasn't the case I wish they were much more durable because then I wouldn't have to worry about Them kind of disappearing sooner than they should but let's face facts sometimes Lower quality builds are gonna not gonna last as long as Something that's a high quality build, especially nowadays. It's It's funny that people Don't you expect so much from a crt? It It's so old. There's nobody expects much of anything from a new piece of electronics that Is I don't know three or four years old. I think it's garbage a lot of times ends up in the trash I'm really just seeing this one hole. I thought there was a second place to Uh, maybe connect this am I wrong here? Did I put this in the right way? Yes, I did But was there a second screw? Or just the one say maybe just the one that's the right size or not There we go. Here we go Now line the cover up pop it on out of curiosity Let's install this now service power supply so we can rule Out that those capacitors were the issue or rule in that they were the issue and and just know for sure That those three capacitors um We're 100% our problem So let me get a little situated here put our new one Hey po so this is again our Wonderful bvm here This was the power supply we just stuck in here to test and see And as you know, if you were out here earlier that was bad this one was bad the original So we swapped in a good one which worked now. Let's take it out And insert This one because if that's not if it doesn't work then we obviously have another issue And I don't want to procrastinate with that. I'd rather just either try to figure it out But I don't want to just have this sitting around thinking it's good and not And it's not good etc. Whatever if it works then we'll Go forward With some other things on this monitor It doesn't work. We'll probably switch back out and still move forward See what we can do with the power supply All right, I think Sure That's all connected properly. We got this here. We will go ahead and I'm just going to secure one screw up here So I don't want it flopping up I don't want to be all flopping Up here like that a little secure A little confident here and not like Guaranteeing this is going to fix it. I'm not guaranteeing that But I feel if if you give me a percentage here, I'm like 80 percent confident That this is going to be fixed right now from that really So that's why I'm going ahead and I'm going to stick in a second screw here and just The power supply Locked in there now. This might be foolish. Sometimes it is Can't disagree with that but I also can't, you know, say it's anything wrong with having a little confidence that it's going to work because That's fine too. All right I'm going to put it on the bench over here behind us with the Let's let's let's see. We have it set up. Let me let me plug it in with power I'm going to plug the n64 and also Here we are We're gonna I'm using s video for today's testing because this n64 is known. It's not modded at all. Let's just A standard n64 and it can't take the simple mod. It needs the more advanced mod. It's a later later model number And Looks fine Let's before I do that. Let's switch over. Here we are. Here we go everybody. Let's Just see what happens Look at that power light indicator is on Let's see We got the thing coming to life. How about that? Okay, good That's exciting. Let's press start and see what happens Wave race. All right, well We have dolphin park fired up ready. So that was Absolutely Our problem to start with is That now the other thing you'll notice we do have We do have Something we can do to this monitor. However, it is actually working in NTSC, which is why one of the reasons I wanted to use in 64 with come Sorry not composite, but Nice video these monitors are prone to a color board failure, which I've done before Um, and we can replace those parts right now should be pretty darn easy. Uh, we just have Two potentiometers to replace on again the B board not the d board this time the b board opposite side of the d board Let me show you what I'm talking about here on the overhead cam Who needs a d32 baby? Who does I don't know Here we go. So if you look closer here These parts right here that are in blue Are the parts that can fail on these boards And I don't know. Maybe these blue ones are the ones that don't fail as much most of the time if they're orange Or reddish Colors bronzy those ones always seem to have failed for or fail a lot I don't know. I don't remember blues because there's some models that don't Hey, blah low Lay low blah low channel. Oh, so here this might be an interesting thing. So If you see The this that's why there's no problem on this board. This is a later. This must be a later model board and it actually has These parts installed. It's got the modification done. So it's got the good It's got the good potentiometers already here and then you'll see I've got these like chiclet capacitors or Like they're a little 50 volt one peak of or something. I'll show you the replacement But if you look at your board and it just has orange or white colored ones of these pots on here and None of these parts installed right here. So this this is added These two pieces another green Trying to hold them a little bit. See how if those are added that means you have a good fixed board Let's look at our board and see what it looks like on On this one. I'm actually looking over at it like the color board and I don't see Let's see what color. I don't see the Things let me show you what I mean on that camera. Maybe I can show you a little bit of it This is our color board right here You get some more light But just you can't see everything on there. But if we just compare it those Parts you should see over in this area. They should be down here. You see white epoxy down there and they should be added Over here. There's nothing so we're going to remove this board and we're going to do the um repair and this is from a sony bulletin Uh, so let me just shut that monitor back down. But as you can see it's still been on It's nothing no tricks Wave race has been going since we clicked it on And uh, just making sure it smells okay I'll show you. I don't have the actual bulletin, but I have the parts here Bill so if you guys want the parts you'll be able to see it. I've got the actual mouset parts These are the parts we need right here Okay What we're going to have is um Our replacement parts right here we need Three to ten Three to ten pico farad 100 volt trimmer capacitor, okay And if you look at these are recent these I ordered these may second From digi key so you can even get the part number off here and probably put one of these part numbers In the search and you'll find it and I've used this with other ones So I know it's a confirmed working Potentiometer these ones are white in color It's just got two legs and you really don't even generally need to adjust it Um, and in this is the other part that you saw botched in over top of the legs of each one of these is a Ceramic capacitor five pico farad 50 volt radial Capacitor there's again the part number from digi key Recently ordered within the last 30 days So you can get these sent to you relatively simply So what we're going to do is we're going to install these in this board on our fixed bvm 804 for qd Now this should be a job All we need to do is Turn our power off Unplug We don't even have to unplug that but i'm going to unplug the power just to be safe I'll disconnect these cables Better view there This is the board that needs to come out So Thankfully, it's pretty easy to take out. It's got Cable connection points That you just disconnect And that's all you need to do to start with Then we need to pop the board out Just got to pop it out of plastic like that Off those three points slide it back towards you comes right out. Just like that just like that and Excellent, this is wonderful. I'm actually glad we got to do this one because if you look here This definitely is the version that will most likely fail It has the orange Potentiometers down here two of them And then again, it does not have There's nothing In between the potentiometers. So there's no Capacitor okay unlike Our spare review board Which has This modification already installed in it. So this was either a repair done based on The sony bulletin which literally says this I don't have a copy of the bulletin unfortunately But if you refer to like if you look this stuff up retro or rob rgb rob He does do a video where he does this repair and he refers to the Document and shows it in the video. Uh, but that's what it is if you see this on here You can tell it's already been done It's good to go. This is and again, it's got the different color potentiometers, but we have the orange one on our board here, so We can go ahead and swap these parts out and do this and of course since it doesn't have an issue This is technically a preventative maintenance Measure we're taking since there's not an official problem yet But eventually there will be now there is a way to momentarily fix this issue sometimes if it does show up And you don't have the parts You can Sometimes reflow the solder and it will temporarily make that Uh Potentiometer work for a little bit, but eventually it will fail out so I'm just going to flow some fresh solder It's out here Let's see Just kind of flood it up Because these are going to be removed Now Let's go ahead and um, I'm letting my hacker fr 301 heat back up and we'll remove these two orange potentiometers Let's see if I can get maybe under it and wiggle. I don't know. It's not really probably that big of a deal I bet we can get it out by just pushing on it up a little bit with our fingers And it probably will heat up pretty quickly Yeah, I can already tell it's it's pretty hot on this board where I just reflowed the solder on those points Okay, so we're gonna keep an eye down here On those fresh reflowed solder points cv Let's see if we can get one of these legs loose on either side here. Yeah Okay, there goes one There goes another right there Now let's try the other points I don't know those are gonna be a little bit more difficult to get out. I think then Yeah, there's still so I may just Maybe able to get this one out, but the other one I couldn't get Playing it out as good. Let's see if this one's loose enough It's pretty darn loose. Okay, so we just got like partial partial spot here What we can do is These kind of things happen. It's best to just relax and Reflow the solder again and keep where you're working it because we've seen in the past You don't want to be aggressive with this board It'll ruin your traces, which is the most important thing you need now. There we go Uh, just fell right out by just reheating that one leg once the other one was free and you notice the other leg has Fallen off. These are just really crappy parts And look at that that just broke free on its own that leg so there's there's number one and Let's see if we can get the second one to just maybe drop out also No, that's not really wanting to drop out, but it's moving move it a little bit Okay Now it's dropped And then it's just an easy process of cleaning the holes out That's it. Look at that See right up here where my thumb is Look how pretty those holes are Oh, yeah get excited about circuit board holes, but look at them right there I'm just gonna show you see clean clean Wonderful. Lovely. Now if we look on this and you do not need to worry They are marked as to which way these Parts go in they have a shape outline on here And that's the shape of all these parts. They're like oblong four-sided oblong shaped So the replacements are same the same way you need two of them and You just replace them by sticking them down in there, but it's the same side You know, you've got There we go Whoops, there is an orientation to it as I said, but it's not It's not hard to figure out What is hard is sticking it in here when you have such fat fingers Let's get that There we go I'll go ahead and tack this first one in And I'm going to push the legs out with twice the tweezers My tweezers there just so I can have it floating on its own and I can come in and tack in one leg That leg maybe let me push it back down in there Make sure it's nice and a solid flow. We don't want to I don't want to over blood this Piece yet as much because again, I need to add That little capacitor there. I'll go ahead and hit the other leg get it tacked in perfect, okay The just a little bit there you go. Okay Because we're going to add some more solder again in a minute to add that other piece on top of there and then we'll even secure it with some white stuff Those welds right there will hold in place for now Let's go ahead install this second trim capacitor So yeah, when you have big fat fingers, you got to bend the leg this way and that way and this way That way And we should have That down in there I probably should have done this one first maybe because of my finger would fit a little better Say a lot of this work is a lot like the game operation from when you were a youngster It's actually still a game to these days Where you'd go in and Have the buzz buzzer You ever hit the sides this one's in that direction. Let's try that. Whoo Thing is is the edges of these tweezers is slippery So is the edge of the trim capacitor. So it's not there's not a lot of traction to like Grab on to anything Yeah, I'm gonna get that in there, but we're gonna figure it out. Don't worry We're gonna get it in there. I know it's There we're gonna bend that capacitor out of the way right there need an assistant with small hands for five minutes Every job All right, it's in place. That's good. Now that's that's kind of the Probably most difficult thing We have to do is That step just gonna tack those into place Well, it's look good, but there we go see installed right here Now we can move on to part two which is an installing the 50 volt five picro farad capacitors. We need two of them Then we'll secure them with some of that Material and this just goes straight across the backside of these two components one to each leg here on here, so We're just gonna go something, you know, you can just set it in there Get it welded into place And then we can come back Afterwards and trim these long legs off Kind of so you'll see what I'm saying and what I mean here. Let's hold that right there It's definitely the time when you could use like three hands, right a little bit of the edge. Let's do that there Okay, that's a good little weld and I bend it up so Come under this one Now that's it. It's really it for that one I hope you could see that. Um, I will get my flush cutters trim those legs out of the way Well, you'll be able to see that a little better We'll go ahead Trim that leg out Trim that leg out because you don't want this to bridge against any of the components down there Okay Maybe need a little trip a little bit more There we go So that's good right there and uh, I will even come back here and touch that solder Up a second time Right there We're gonna come in here and just slightly add a little bit more solder That's it. Just briefly like that. I don't really want anything to move. I just want to have a fresh layer Just like that on there. That's it Now that one's done. That's that's all we need to do And now we can do the same thing on the other other side And then we'll put some some of that white insulator in there so it does not You know those legs are protected Yeah, they are like they are pretty I mean you could tell this is a double-sided board Is so it has components on both sides that are SMD surface mounted The capacitors are not thankfully because they would definitely have durability problems even more severely than they already do if we had If we had SMD capacitors from the late 1990s installed in this That would not be good. So what I need to probably go the same direction You know, you just want to be mindful of things while I'm looking at this board There are some surface capacitors and things. Well, here's some resistors No, but this might be a fuse. It says I'm not sure it says f something. So that's generally a fuse maybe Right there. So I don't want to like touch that fuse with or anything else with the solder and bridge that While or you know, it's fine to bridge it now But obviously after we install it we want we want to make sure nothing like that's touching So let's get down in here kind of try to bend The legs To a shape where they the capacitor sticks up a little bit and I can still attack it into place like this kind of And then we could come in and fix it afterwards That one moved a little bit more than I liked. So just do that Same thing on the other side. No, it's not stuck to it There we go. Now we have our bonds our welds So let's sit for a second and then we'll clip that leg again. We definitely don't want these to short out on anything and Come back again Give some fresh solder just for a second here. There we go. Nice happy weld Oh, look at that That thing sprung sprung to life right there, didn't it? Bent flipped That's okay though as long as we don't touch the r 258 under it. So we might need to move that that was kind of wacky, but that can happen There we go Because there's a resistor right underneath that that I don't want to like again risk bridging. So we'll just take our time No problem There we go Now what I'm gonna do is try to get them close to vertical Let me show you what that looks like a little Let me show you what that looks like a little closer if you can See how those Like that repair and those welds came out right there. That's pretty good When I'm suspended And what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna clean around them Since they check out and they look good and solid we're gonna clean around them and then I'm gonna use This which is not It's a tamper detection marker, but it actually works really nicely in here matches the color And We'll just use it for this application here. All right, so we've got to get alcohol again Isopropyl and We'll clean around our welds and um You could go further With a cap kit on this monitor too. Now this that's the same cap kit I did last time On this so we probably won't do that today, you know, this was uh I don't know. We'll see. Let's just see how this goes Everything looks good traces are all good. Everything is clear of each other Surface area is nice and clean now. Just come in here. I'm gonna apply this And that's gonna be pretty much it like get under there and just Squeeze it out like a tooth a tube of toothpaste. Let's do it that way. It really can't move. That's all I really point You don't want it to Move give it a little insulation there and that's it. It looks like this went to the sony shop And got You know fixed up right Let's see Now that's the wrong board. Uh, well they bent their stuff a little bit better Maybe they mine out the different ways they left their legs longer. I don't know. I like to uh Not have them that exposed but I do like the idea of maybe bending the legs down some out of the way A bit better There we go. How about that? That looks pretty good. I like that Really light epoxy basically Is what you need. You don't need much or you can even use caulk that's appropriate anything is fine. That's Suitable, you know, that doesn't have to be a precise Thing on there. Just make sure it doesn't damage the circuit board or Your welds or anything nothing caulk stick in there that will chemically act bad But we don't even have to wait for that material really to feel fully cure We can stick this back into the crt right behind us And go ahead and start testing it Right away All right, so let's go over here Yeah, this was a revision. This was a required revision because the path What happens is you you lose color You lose your color on Composite video and s video if if these parts fail And there was a sony A bulletin that came out talking about it And saying that this is the fix for it. So it's not like something I came up with Or anybody else since this is directly from sony So you can kind of trust Trust it So let's just I like everything out. Everything looks good Everything looks good. Let's let's get a power Get around And Let's see what happens Towers back on Should just go right into the game. I don't think I reset the N64 if it's working. There we go. See So that's fine. I mean there was no like This was not um This problem wasn't prevalent on this monitor. So this is a pretty much preventative measure to take If it's not already been taken care of because this Was a pretty common failure for sony And these parts So it is something that you may want to let's see if I got a better camera angle now This one that was not good. Let's see. Maybe we can get that camera Over here. Where is that the camera? Uh So it's not the I like the uh, it's it's something that you probably do want to take care of Eventually if you own one of these monitors and you have the ability to see there's an image there's something right there blocking it All right, sorry about that Anyway, let's just go back to this um So It's working. We got it fixed Um interested to do some more tests with it. It doesn't look like the screen has burned or any problems Which is extremely Makes me extremely happy because I have this 44 q pvm And then I have the now the or bvm and now I have the pvm 44 q also Yeah, I don't know like what's the difference. What's the difference between the 45 and the 44 q really? Does anybody know that Is there something i'm sure it's very minor because they both had the higher end tubes in them Maybe a thing where one supported a few more formats as far as I don't know ccam and stuff You never really know this one One of the biggest unique features of it compared to the pvm is it does sdi or serial digital Analog so it doesn't have a speaker it hasn't do input Yeah, I don't think I've I've no I've looked at the service manual fill I don't think that there's like, you know, not much if you guys want to look through that more Or I can actually probably pull it up Here we can look through it again the bvm Should use the hr tube unless someone replaced it with one which I don't think they did it's got the x on there It's m20 To I believe that I believe the a20 There's but there's a 250 and a 450 But yeah, if it's like the pvm and bvm 44 and 45 they use the 20 or the m20, but you can't sneak a a20 in there and it'll function fine. It's just it has a lower line count I've seen that before They can use any tube, but you know, there's that line count thing. So let me Let's take a quick look and see if we can notice any real difference or turn this light out We don't need the overhead camera anymore Thankfully our screen is good looks good Let's see Oh, we'll pull up a browser We'll go sony sony pbm 80 44 q specs, let's see This is this um super fine pitch 450 line Let me show you what I'm looking at here This is an old website broadcast store.com that Does have some interesting stuff. I wouldn't take all this to be perfectly correct here because it's not always correct on the information, but Just for today's little Little look. Let's let's look at their information. They have on the 80 44 q It's a 450 line Set it's got component or component. Yeah component input rgb yc composite all that's going to be the same So 450 tv lines High resolution tube black level stability comb filters and then We go 45 I'm not sure if there's any difference much at all. You know most of the stuff on here is it's all pal and ntsc These are pretty close to the same CRTs pretty darn close. These these would say hr on them. This one doesn't say hr in the bezel The pvr the bvm. All right everybody We have Finished our kind of saving restoration for today. So we just to recap a little bit. It's been about two hours. So We'll uh finish up Finish up our stream here by just going over a few things We were able to troubleshoot that the power supply was the issue here So if you have one of these monitors, it's not powering on I know we're always laughing about people saying just recap it. Well, go check the power supply Check those three capacitors and that might be the only thing that's wrong with it And then you can move on to the other restoration process of repairing the color board so that you don't lose color on Composite or s video So that's going to be it for everybody Thank you for joining me today. Definitely be on lookout for more streams. I have another stream coming tomorrow night With a special guest the legend himself smoke monster will be on stream with me. I believe We're going for 9 p.m. Eastern standard time wednesday May 31st. So again 9 p.m. Eastern standard time and we will be Live myself and smoke monster. We're going to talk about these eight inch pvm's some more in the repairs because he's done the same kind of thing with some of his Thanks again everybody for watching today. I'll see you all next time in the next stream or episode. Thank you