Woohoo! We are live with Nikki Ortega. Hi, Nikki. Hi Thanks so much for coming on the show. Thank you Atlas for having me So excited for this I love your presence online. It's become It's well articulated like do you do a good job at sharing with people what this is all about And it's fun. Yeah. Yeah, just kind of my best to express it. I never know. I'm like, does this make sense? I'm just gonna post it. Yeah I'm like, okay Hopefully someone gets it Yeah yeah, and As I've been sort of like looking through what you share I've been finding that like you have a unique flavor You know, you have everyone that sort of like wakes up has their own unique taste or flavor on on What it is and so like that's a great first place to just kick it off So let's talk about like yeah your flavor your taste maybe take us to like how What how you got sparked to seek truth and then what you found That's so general and broad but I'll try my best Flavor It all started with suffering I guess a lot of people that getting the awakening pad is true Depression or suffering or just trying to find a way or meaning out of them same mental loops and I Was in a really dark place and just a lot of Addiction I was addicted to any high It was like anything that made me feel good and take me out of that space of Tormoil or trauma or not looking at myself. It's like that's it and eventually I got tired of running away and He had a bottom and Went to a yeah, I was never an alcoholic, but I needed something to like feel Holding space feel in conditional love feel connection to God and at that moment. That's what I was closest to me and Really helped me I did that for three years But there was still a lot more to work with and just a constant part of surrendering and learning about myself and sharing my journey with others That's the summary. There's a lot more. I think nice. Yeah okay, so you had pretty intense like suffering patterns and You were like seeking like highs Like but trying to like alleviate the suffering and also like seek pleasure. Yes Completely it was just like so painful that anything can be food could be sex could be love could be cuddling could be anything like Yeah, yeah, nice Okay, and And this is so cool. So but then then there's the moment of okay You like you gain the level of like metacognition So you gain awareness of that pattern, right?  I don't want to keep suffering like this I don't want to keep seeking all these external things. So yeah, and so when that When that how did that awareness like unfreeze for you, how did you gain more sovereignty?  I was like felt no connection at home Super dysfunctional family No real friends the real connections that was like my only source of something to hold on into and then I was like I Need help and instantly I thought of a friend that had gone to a and I was like, maybe this can help me It's not it's not alcohol, but it's something that it's gonna allow me to release this addiction for Quote-unquote love Yeah Okay, cool. So there was both a trigger for more self-sorcered Ness And then there was also the the memory of like somebody else having gone through a a a friend and and Seen and you saw a change in them. And so then there's like all these different in a sense There's these programs or these there's places these offerings that exist that sort of serve people as they seek and then Okay, cool.  So when I was there, it's like anything I said was like, oh, it's accepted It's love and I'm like, okay, this is safe So it was like the first sense of like safety and feeling whole just by being myself Yeah Nice acceptance safety love Feeling yourself. Yeah Mmm. Hmm.  Oh, yes I wish it was instance like some awakening people are just like, that's it. No, it's been a quite a journey I think that was like nine years ago. But yeah, I was like the first taste of like safety and there were a lot of Jump in it's like having one feeding hell and one in heaven. Like I was just juggling in Unconsciousness wasn't fully integrated So I had to it's like having two people inside of you now I feel like I have a thousand but they're all like a line so I Was juggling between the part of me that wanted to heal and find that safety and the shadow self that still wanted to feel Those patterns for a while then it's a process. Yeah And then so that was nine years ago, right? I believe so. Yeah, I was a yeah You were 18, but yeah, okay Okay, and then So how about like how about after that like some people go and they start, you know going to retreats or they start reading or they Take entheogens or they learn about what meditation is and how it can enhance their life Yeah, so what did you end up like finding over the last years that has Shared what the nature is with you What comes up I found my main spiritual teacher. I love David or Hawkins Nice. Yeah, I recently so much with his pad because he was also part of a and he's been through hell and heaven a million Well, he was he's he's gone now, but the spirit So in in the group one of the guys was reading one of these books letting go and I felt so cold to it And then I thought the mob of consciousness. I found enlightenment I found but then I became an addict of enlightenment.  But yeah, that was also a program that now it's more like subtle It's like, huh, I see that Nice, so cool. So yeah, so David Hawkins influenced and then You also saw through the program of sort of waking up and then just only Talking about the pattern of waking up to everybody and just having Halo around your head and that type of thing. So you saw through that Yeah, it's really really hard. I was I think a whole year of heapiness But people heapiness. I'm like, yeah, it's all love and light and like the butterflies and the rainbows But I was in bridge. It's like I never know when it's gonna end every time. I'm like assume you're free but keep the humbleness to see what comes up because that was a year that I was completely in ecstasy and As an addict, I'm like, maybe I'm just enlightened now. You know, it's just like that's it I never felt any pain whatsoever So I think that I was in bread yet that moment to integrate even more unconscious things. It's just like so deep It's like consciousness. I see it as like a game of operando So, you know that surgery game of like the little guy that has the operation Yeah, I'm glad to ask. I'm like a friend there Yes, thank you every single piece of bars in one's consciousness and everything I think I'm done I'm like, no second part and then I have to take more stuff, but it always gets more More whole more fluid less leakages of energy more centred Yeah, yeah, that's a cool. That's a cool way to Visualize it. We've also been talking about it like a Like an like the onion layers that get constructed and then the deconstruction of the onion layers but in your analogy, that's like in the Game of operation onion layers are like all those little pieces that you pluck out All all what is not you Exactly Yeah, I believe it's so important because part of why I didn't want to look at the beef stuff It's because I still identified with it. I'm like, oh, that's me. I don't want to talk about that That's shameful, but then I'm like, oh, that's not me and Process continues. Yeah. Yeah So Would you say that? Let's well, let's talk about two things because I want to talk about both How you're serving people now See through their own what is not them and see through their own game of Deconstructing and an operation and acceptance and But then I also want to talk to you about What you have found to be like the nature and how you communicate the nature also so Let's start Let's start with that. Let's start the second one and then we'll talk about the patterns that sort of Like that deconstruct to gain insight So what would you say like if somebody was to like ask you like how do you describe what the nature of reality is? Like what do you say? Absolute reality or how it pops up into existence. Yeah, I See it as simultaneous discovery of God's essence and I said simultaneous because I didn't help so many times. I've been in heaven and now I feel like finally I'm integrating on earth. So it's like reality is so vast but in this earth plane it's we can travel and Journey through all these realms and all these Parts of consciousness just to get to know more of ourselves.  It's it's like a playground But the absolute reality of everything is just empty. I see it as just nothingness and it's like we're all pixels Creating and expanding and expressing but then when I reached that point of emptiness, I'm like, okay, that's boring Let's feel it with love. So then I'm like, it's divine love expressing itself through stories And now I see every story like an amusement like even the story I told you about when I was 16 That's entertainment like people go to movies and pay to see that shit, you know, I'm like It's fun so it's about going through those things and Then realizing when you're out of it and you can heal the quote-unquote pain or suffering that it was just entertainment You're amusing yourself through yourself Yeah, yeah So divine love that's that would be my final answer. Yeah Cool Okay, cool. So I like how yeah divine love as a final answer and then you also have a You said God's essence which I like as well So do you normally do you normally reference that as Something that's like a field or something that has more of like an oceanic like texture to it Something that has like a like a homogenous like unity nature to it Like in the absolute I see it as as oneness but In the relative plane I see it as a film because we everybody as you said in the beginning where everybody carries a unique flavor and frequency of God So even when I'm talking to you like I don't see you like in your body Or like I see you as the whole field that is around you and that's animating the character into whatever it wants to say and express with the intentions and that's the importance of Where are we coming from and integrity is like, okay? We're animating the character. Let's just have fun and use this toy for good nice So so you you see the simultaneity of the underlying essence of unity but also in the way that it's apparently expressing itself as diversity and multiplicity and play and dance with itself I Think I didn't understood the first thing diversity with dance Yeah, yeah dance like dance like it's yeah, yeah, yeah But but so yeah, you see so you do see like a simultaneity of a unity and diversity at the same time Now I do. Yeah, because going back to my state of full ecstasy and bliss I Couldn't see like the diversity I was like always one and that's it but now I find beauty in the shadows and in the quote-unquote darkness and all the expressions of the creator and see the Relevance of it and how that's the mirror to wake the part of ourselves that aren't conscious or repaying karmas as I do believe in karma Nice nice So and so when you when you When you're sharing about divine love What are you typically let's let's let's get into the patterns now What are typically the the blockages that you see that people have? and then What ways? Do you typically see people liberating themselves of the blockages? Beautiful emotional attachment and all I say is from the patterns I had To not finding my own divinity and that unconditional love that's always here. It's just seeking for a payoff Seeking for gain coming from self-seeking motives So every time we want something from someone or we want to get or yeah take then that's an attachment It's like trying to find love in all the wrong places as cliche as it sounds It's just like all that search for God how I see it even when you want success even relationship or money or Business success. It's like searching God in those things which are beautiful, but it's empty So any attachment that promise you a better future of tomorrow or yield from the past because I didn't do that Right like I'm unworthy etc That's the blockage from the divinity that always is and that doesn't mean that we can't have beautiful Desires and creation, but all of that coming from that space of I'm so joyful right now and I know I'm complete Let's create it from that happiness and that joy. He's here to send that on but Yeah, so It's almost like a getting you see a like a getting lost in Thought or emotion or separation that type of pattern or projecting better Result in the next now moment which never comes because it's just forever Yeah, yeah Interesting and then so then let's say that there is a like a blockage of somebody that's like Learning how to become aware of their thinking patterns. Are you typically? Referring them to something specific. How do you walk them through like gaining more? meditative insight Just asking what's the most stressful thought at the moment Hmm in having them go directly there. So okay, so let's say Like give an example of what they say and then how you continue They could be like So many examples, I'm like what can be something really good like I had this client that one of the examples of business success like had everything that quote-unquote on paper was Good enough to feel successful and happy and then it's like well I achieve the success in my business in my marriage and I have beautiful kids. I have this wonderful house I can retire right now, but I Am depressed.  I'm like why so it's like I don't feel worthy of any of this sounds like Why not and then you go into that and then they open up a different layer. It's like well, I achieve this true line I manipulated this person or okay So why do you do that and then they tell well when I was 10 my dad did this to me and then what happened then What was your thought and then we go to the root of like what was the main? Situation that created that pattern of having to act from fear and manipulate or Do something to get something for completeness when you should be just because you exist Hundred percent hundred percent, okay So you would say that like one of the ways that you do it is you help reflect to Your other self You help reflect to them that There's some pattern at the root of their experience of the root of their expression that has a flavor of a lack belief of some sort and Then that's causing them to feel this downstream unworthiness or to seeking validation or whatnot and then you And in so in that process then when they reflect on themselves and that and that whatever is at the root of the way that they express then Then they go through a process of loving and accepting that and Liberate themselves. I love how you see it so systematically. I see it so like intuitive like a butterfly like I never know It's gonna happen in the session. So I'm just trying to express it. Yeah Yeah, usually they just heat like a sweet spot and say call it like jam or like they find the treasure under water Which is like their biggest source of trauma, which is also their greatest gift and then They just like start crying or they open up or they feel like I relieve sometimes I just say something funny and they start laughing and see like the unconsciousness behind it So it just really flows. It's never one way for everyone I just come with the intention and something beautiful happens. Sometimes. It's not even questions. It's just They ask some questions about myself and then through my stories. They open up and see something That can happen too. So yes. Yeah, and then and then do they typically stay with you in terms of Like there's a there's a good amount of in a sense work that is then done from Noticing One of your deep traumas and then feeling like the liberation of that and purifying the way you express yourself But then also recognizing like the field recognizing divine love itself Recognizing infinity recognizing nothingness emptiness that there's there's a big there's how so now how have How have clients have you do you usually work with them through that entire process? Or is it sometimes people just you know drop off after that little bit of liberation and release? Or do you also take people all the way with as they seek? I have it actually just happened twice and it's it was just so wonderful because it was not only working It actually started with the enlightenment state of feeling the oneness and the divinity Which is a reflection of me because first I allowed all that beautifulness and then I'm like how do I play this in the relative realms and then working through their relative ones and how to express that better and how to live more in alignment than intrude so Yeah, but sometimes it's just one session and I never see them again, but I do love more when it's Consistent because you get to see such a beautiful transformation and then it's just like tears of joy and it's like oh, I like I Changed my whole relative life, but that wasn't it like I just feel peace Yes, yeah, okay, so So I see how like the it's easier for people to understand like the emptiness of the Material materiality like that. That's that that's I feel like that's one of the easier ones for people to click But then for example, how do you get people? How do you reflect to people that their sense of self is not located like behind their eyes? How do you get them to understand the field? How do you get them? Yeah Do you understand it? Yeah, how do you get them to or how do you get them to realize it and then to be it? Usually I do attract people that understand that you do you wait So so so you attract people that are already aware of No self Exactly really. Yes. That's how it works and usually it's more working into The physical plane which is what I have had to do in the past years So it's always me like my client is myself like talking about it here So I'm just attracting a reflection of my past self or a future self Yes, it's like and as they heal I heal to because they open up and then I see something else and I open up It's always a learning teach so I don't really try to explain them It kind of like they know that and they just want to know how to manage that in the physical Yeah Okay, I think this is a really important beautiful point so When you yeah when you're speaking from the absolute perspective, and I think this is really important You know Nikki just shared that Whenever she likes whenever somebody like approaches her like seeking that she sees it as past or future self So she sees it as like serving herself basically so then there's Nothing to like get out of it There's the teach learning learn teach aspect to it Of course, but in terms of there's nothing like to extract out of it because you're already whole So you're not trying to like prove yourself and all this type of stuff I love that that that view of it, but so how does how do you how do you? Grow how do clients gravitate towards you that have already Experienced no self or have already recognized no self like that's already Let's already pretty like end of path. What's the fuck? I Think it's so funny. I never thought about it I think it's because I spent like two years writing about the absolute that of course that's what I'm gonna try Now I'm like I want to learn how to write about my human aspect. So that's what I'm working on now, but it's Yeah, it makes sense. We attract what we are So Selected group though, I guess I wish that's why I want to work in the human because I wish to reach more people if they feel Called to it and relate to that human Okay, so to an extent you would maybe describe it as you waking up Seeing no self clearly and then being that for two years writing about it. That's Then Sharing that with people to where with yourself Then You see that like you are gravitating people that want to basically Understand that at a deeper level that have already maybe tasted it That type of thing but then also that are Wanting to like you become interested in like anchoring in a sense these like heavenly Realizations in the physical so in materiality like helping the shift the planetary awakening Yes, I love how you word it so beautiful That's why it's a focus on integration because when I got all those realizations I wasn't aware that Now I had to go even deeper in my unconscious and bring those parts of myself into that realistic because it was like a split Really really high realization and then have to take my human with me and then the ego is like no No, I want to like don't make me do that so that's So excites me so much is to think about it like bringing that wholeness So every time I talk to someone I'm like I see her wholeness, but relatively there could be some work to do as well Yes, yeah Yeah, that's a simultaneity of both. Yeah being completely whole already perfect But yet also there being some little bit of mud That can be shined off the diamond in this one. Yeah, they can be liberated. Yeah the illusion further liberated Interesting so So okay, so take take us through then like an example of what it's like For so so you say sometimes it's like anchoring a client's no self realization Into like just basic everyday life and interactions like the human So sometimes it's that and then sometimes it's it's Somebody that has no idea what no self is and they're still just learning about their own traumas. Yeah So you see you span that whole spectrum. Yeah, that's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing like Yeah, because somebody that's in the full mass of depression like I know how to take them back to okay I feel great right now And then somebody that's in the absolute nothingness like okay, that's cool But when they ask me like so what now do I keep meditating do I keep like chanting do I keep I'm like Just watch TV and have fun and Go talk to your friends. Like that's a broad example. But it's that's why I love the cliché of nirvana. I'm sorry It's like being back to the human and enjoy it from that space of that new realization, but Chopwood curry water, you know Yeah Yeah, I love yeah the zen 10 bowls is so good too after this Yeah, after the journey is just you're back in the market drinking wine 100 percent Yeah Yeah, it's so true. I relate to that. I'm like I even stopped drinking for a while became vegan now It's like I don't care. I can't wake up and have a shot of whiskey You know I know That's so good.  Do you feel like you inspire them? um To then like become more like shepherds or like have more service to others energy because it's it's almost like You can many times like you were describing in the realization awakening process that there can be a uh a loss of interest in Anchoring anything into like the world into the collective But really it's all of you that just wants to wake up.  I'm like during the world girl. Come on So I think it's just a natural thing the more awareness we get we want to use this to help others But I had to balance that too because where is that?  We're helping because that's another flavor of the creators. So It's beautiful I love that. So let's let's talk about that distinction a little bit more because I feel like it's relevant. Um, so uh, yeah, if you feel like You have a you have an urge for being in service and that you want to show up and like be in service That like nicky said it's about checking where you're coming from So that you can distinguish between when you're coming from wanting to be seen or being worthy or validated or whatever Versus when literally your state of being itself Can just vibrationally emit to somebody like receptivity or availability And then people will just come to you and then they themselves will maybe like ask a question or They'll provide an inquiry of some sort Or maybe it's just geek geeking out and just like smiling and laughing and playing and then that put yeah Yeah, that's it. That's so wonderful. I I love that line by it away from the Anirag and venting home where are you coming from but guess that's where I'm going to credit it Oh good. Oh, it's just so subtle.  I'm like, that's great Yes, yeah Where are you five words? Yeah, where are you coming from? Yeah, so good So good Because because you can't go any further back Then source where you're coming from like Like your stylus pen basically like your will the paintbrush you can't go any further back Than that. Yeah Here you go What were you to say? Like let's play um And that helps a lot even when being of service because then It's easy for me to know like oh now Or also excitement. It's like I want to do this video with you this interview because it's exciting so then it's coming from that space of soulfulness and Authentic service, but if it's like bored, I don't know what to do Let's just make a video to To try to help people because I'm unhappy then it's like Where is the service? So it's just that would be validation or proving one style, but no So that's the balance of sharp reading that I feel it's so important for For me and the collective as well to glance and put into practice Yeah Yeah Just getting a lot of love in the chat. Oh, I didn't know we were live Hi I'm like we can say something like okay now Sending you massive love back So good Yeah So good, so good Um Cool, so I like that you care so much about that mantra and that you feel like where are you coming from can be like a big access point For people to like purify themselves, which is It's huge very relatable Super relatable I have another uh I have another cool Topic so I feel like this is important actually it's much more important than I think Then gets shared, which is That what people seek with Like self realization or god realization Is equivalent to Anata or no self which then is capital s self Do you feel like That like they're different flavors of the same coin Like two sides of the same coin no self and capital s self or how do you see that? I see no self as the emptiness like the void Getting to that state or non-state it's like the realms of paradox. I love that topic getting to the non-state of There is nothingness. It's just emptiness It's just like a black canvas to play with and then the self with capital s I see it as what I mentioned before the divine love the colors the glitter the rainbow is the butterflies or Art the crying the sorrow all the spectrum of the human emotions So all of that it's like the higher self expressing itself through the linear expression of your small self as well But it's simultaneous, but there's also the emptiness but I do believe in my experience that if I stop in the emptiness then What am why am I here like I came back to play and express the highest self through my highest frequency excitement so Yeah, it's two sides of the same coin expressed into one Although some people and I think budding buddha teaching sometimes It's just into the emptiness and the void and then just that's it. I need to talk Yeah, whatever they appreciate in the journey. I guess Yeah, interesting. So you see uh, no self you see emptiness as more of the blank canvas And then you see more of the self god divine love you see that as the creative capacity Something in those lines the expression the Very capacity Of everything everything from ignorance to knowledge Everything and that's I'm gonna share this like like the human will completely align with divine will I see that as the self and when we have that complete alignment then everything we do It's from self. It's god expressing itself from the highest frequency of love in the void of emptiness That is like everything that surrounds us But we need both because if not there would be no world. I would we'd be here anyways. Yes. Yeah You know, it's so nice like just feeling it and like just being it and seeing it so clearly and then just Like relaxing Because like you found yourself and you found yourself so clearly And you found yourself everywhere and you found yourself nowhere And And like and it's so nice having these very simple analogies like the blank canvas and the infinite creation It's just it's so it becomes so simple or like the screen Like you we have all these like devices now and it's just this black. It's this blank screen and then Yeah Perfect Yeah How many different ways can it modulate or how many, you know, how many different ways can the The blank notes no notes musical notes turn into songs I mean, there's so many different ways to how many different ways to vibrate your vocal chords into languages So you can see all the different ways that creator can express itself as Anything from ignorance of its nature to knowledge impurity Of its nature anything from somebody that it doesn't have their basic needs being met that's starving and struggling all the way to the most like wealthy most abundant spaceship flyer spaceship flyer, yeah I love that That's it do holographic particles start that is expressing themselves But the beauty of finding that self or that absolute realization like a taste of it at least is It frees us to express our human nature with so much more Freedom and none caring about whatever happens or like not judging ourselves and just navigating every scene with It's fine. I'm just playing pretend here Without city, but yeah, it's you're playing whatever role. It's the most relevant for the moment. Yes Yeah, I think you're Yeah, your bio on instagram says like movie character Because I had so many identity shifts every time I had like a mini ego debt and then like integrated something new that I got tired Every day I woke up and I'm like healer Spiritual teacher shifter. I'm like these symbols to try to convey a message To help someone if they're in need, but It's just like we're all the same So it's just like a keg there whatever role we want to play aligned with our intentions and our excitement I thought we came here to do so Yeah, no labels I feel like it's so helpful Like recognizing like the simple even like you're even like the pupil itself like the eye Um, and like yeah the way that like the pupil and the iris Yeah, because it's like it is like the pupil is like the blank canvas and the iris is like this infinite creativity Playing with it playing with itself, but I found one of the one of the keys in a sense is to to not get like hooked on anything that you like land on as ground because um Because there's so much more to still gain insight into yourself Uh, like yeah, because like I've noticed that people will gain insight Find a ground and then they'll like stand on that and be horizontal and they'll like keep looking horizontally.  That's it. So I'm just like I'm stagnant again. And then I don't give room for growth or like shifting. So I'm like everything we say right now It's in this moment. Maybe tomorrow, I'll change my mind. So Because there's no mind so Just allowing the flow that comes through Yeah, yeah I love that and it reminds me of the freshness And yeah, bintino talks about that quite a lot this like fast refresh rate where you don't get fixated on anything ever And it's just like perpetual freedom like always not this not thatting your whole existence and It's just so liberating because it's like whatever we're showing up as right now Yeah, we're gonna deepen our insight and deepen our purification tomorrow And it's gonna show up and express itself freshly and differently But the underlying principle like that like the major shift In awakening, um, would you say for you? It's kind of like seeing and for you and for like the way you share it and serve other people that it's Seeing yourself in all Yeah, but comes about with the sermon as well Um, I think that's the balance of the wisdom that I've been pretty fine purifying Yeah, uh this whole year it's just I can see myself and everyone else myself, but They can care of my own needs as well too. Not because you're myself that I'm gonna give myself everything right now to you and I was really unbalanced in love before so Finding that balance of discernment Nice. Yeah Cool. So so we can we can agree that like the major shift when we talk about things like awakening is like Sort of decentralizing your like contraction from being just like a person To being the all to like remembering yourself as the all But then to not and this is where with like the law of one where we talk about things like the fourth density balancing love balancing with fifth density wisdom into a unified sixth density of love light um and love late awareness and I like that point because it's really common including for myself um To continue the subtle process of recognizing like am I detecting is this a detecting benefit? And is it detecting benefit with the for like the highest possibility right now? You know or is the highest possibility actually the like expressing love to my other self Here and taking a step back and going into whatever the other Like relaxed state or creative state or whatever and then having it serve at a greater level Yes Yeah, kind of making that intuitive more and more with in my experience like with every situation that presents itself It just became more clear and easier like oh No need to say anything here or or if I do it then I see it more rapidly like oh that it was in balance. Okay yes navigating that Okay, and then you you would say that then As you sort of begin like seeing yourself as the all you would say that another big way of of playing the game is to Recognize where you're coming from or like pay attention like very like vigilance basically with where you're coming from As you awaken like you would say that that's like a major pairing I love how also david are hoggings express it when he's like There's comments appointing your awareness and in your spiritual journey that It's like in every little subtlety You feel like dog feeding the bed like if you weren't in the bed and you wake up and you're like oh the dog It's impossible not to see it. It's like it smells. It's it's clear. So it's just like Can't get away with it like the program wants to show up and it's like oh, okay No, it's just like I see it like screen and then it just passes by and I'm like oh you again nice And then I keep moving it So it cancels itself out Whoa Nice great to describe it. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. We've also been talking about it like thought advertisements basically So it's like you're it's like the yeah the advertisement pops up It's like would you like to entertain in more unworthiness or separation and and it's like no I love it it reminds me of that show. I think it's an msn upgrade. I think it's the name And it's just like different ads. It's like you want this right now.   Thank you. But no, yeah Cool.  Yes It's so exciting to me. I'm like, yes. I just feel like I'm in the field now like let's boy It's just like the surgery like operation game as I said You get to see it and it's wonderful when the same situation doesn't cut you anymore Like I thought that had so much momentum due to previous karma It's like oh now you have built so much background awareness that it just falls off And before it just got stuck and got expressed and you're like, why did I accept that?   Yeah. It's like it's fine. I can put it on and wear it, but at some point it's going to smell so I'm like All right. Okay. Let's take a shower I Like if I have it on doesn't mean I'm not worthy. I'm also worthy.   You know that type of of of of of vibe. So um Like it's it's really simple also in like Classic like billions of people play sports or they play games or they um, they do activities in flow states And everybody knows the feeling of Like the moment that you're That you're like you're cooking you're cooking a dish in order For the people you're cooking it for to Tell you how much they love it versus Yeah versus actually like cooking it with love just to serve it to yourselves They're themselves so that yeah, yeah, you can tell like that's the style of distinction That's more about let's do something for the better tomorrow Let's do something for finally feeling worthy successful complete when I get this So then it's like the continuous chase for happiness that never ends in the loop of like let's search within again cliche but it's People wanted like more complex like this tech that but it's like it's just here Behind the mud sometimes the mud has a lot of momentum so that's why we do the work Interesting. So you also said I like how you called it for a better tomorrow It never comes and I'm always like like a rabbit like chasing it like the carrot and then the carrot is dangling and I'm like Wait the carrot it's oh, it's here. Oh cool. I'll eat myself I'm the carrot. I'm the carrot nice. Yeah Wow, so the illusion could be summarized as a rabbit chasing a carrot on an endless treadmill Yeah, wow beautiful or like with the little cartoon that it's like on top of you and it's in front and you're just like never gonna chase it.  I'm like, wait.  It was just covered with the mud Yeah I love that you are the carrot Yes, that's it. There's nowhere there's no There's no there's nowhere That you could go on to a treadmill to get to Because you're already the carrot Yeah And you're also placing the treadmill there because you wanted some thrill And drama and like, oh, that's great. I hear this journey. That's why you're the movie character Nice. Yeah. So like we We designed our own. Yeah our own movie our own Our own odyssey our own like hero's journey Uh, and so yeah, we wanted a little bit of drama to like really like how I like I wrote a couple of uh Days ago or a week ago something like how badly can I forget and remember?  Yeah Yeah But fun All beautiful scenes Yeah So sweet Yeah Nice, Nicky. Nice. Love your vibe No, I love your vibe atlas. I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you for Inviting me It's so nice. Yeah, it really is and your heart's so warm You really beautifully I try Instantly I had the thought but I am see how it kind of looks itself out. I'm like you try but you are I'm like stop it Let's stop it gone And that's so so this is a key Milestone or like a key Um, when you get to sort of the Transcension of all paradoxes Um, the transcension of all like entangled dualities Yeah It's so rich because I we mentioned several on the in our conversation the whole well oneness but also appearing Like this diverse form this formlessness appearing as diverse forms emptiness appearing like fullness or Or like illusion and a reality or you know this type of that these types of dualities where Like you recognize that you're the source of it Simultaneously and it's just like it's so transcending It is it's yeah, it's it's a roller coaster, right? And it's just like it becomes a circle Yeah Yeah It's like all the aspects of self are like in them how you call that the wheel like of an amusement park, you know that Oh the ferris wheel that one and I see like all the aspects in the ferris wheel and they all connect In the middle and that's like the complete simulatinity and then they're all Okay, okay, so what's on the carts like what's in all the little carts on the outside like all the different emotions or like expressions The aspects once they are all aligned Like because before I had so much split It's like my inner child wanted something but my teacher asked like wanted this So I was drawing my inner child with me or like I have a granny self that's everybody has like an inner wise grandmother or grandfather or like Comedian or so all the aspects of the self which I see that eventually it's the whole world is inside of us So every archetype just into wholeness and when we come from that place of the middle Then that's it because we are in that simulatinity of whatever aspect needs to show up just shows up And we don't get into any identity.  I love that so the the carts around the outside can be potentially the spectrum of illusion to reality or Identity as like separation or identity as the creator No, no Okay, and then all the different expressions that all have the same origin or source or wholeness Yeah And I see the pad like at some point is Having like the higher self in the classroom telling all the aspects like this is what we're going to do today in the board With like a little marker and there comes a point where they're all aligned that there's no need for a class It's just like they all know what's the duty because they're all one so Oh shit nice, so Interesting so like okay when you wake up in the morning um One of the ways that you could look at like your day um Which which of course practicing future presence which we talk about which is like seeing a really successful day And yeah, yeah and seeing like divine love in the whole day um But you can also take it from this like from this perspective of ah today. We're gonna be learning You know x y z like yeah And then and then it becomes like you're saying it becomes more and more like effortlessly flowful and intuitive um And like clear and you don't necessarily have to like remind yourself all the time that that's what's happening Exactly, that's it.   We're having a class and she's like, no But now she has a candy lollipop. She's like She's there like okay, I behave now Oh, she was a drag I love her And I I express it that way so it can have some like relevance, but I rather say I not like she Okay, so How do you how do you feel about um As as we wake up as the collective wakes up. It's really clear that the architectures They like mirror our consciousness um so Like the planet's consciousness is very clearly Drowned in samsara or ignorance right now of separation and all this type of stuff um, and so that's why you see these archaic institutions and governments and economic policies and Polarizing media hatred violence blah blah blah war Still nukes all this type of stuff But then we also clearly see like as people wake up. They're like, I want to decentralize everything I want everyone to have ownership. I want I want I want permaculture Regenerative farming. I want I want clean energy for everybody. Everybody gets to express themselves artistically. I want that future so Do you see that sort of happening right now as we awaken as all these new architectures are being implemented Yeah, that's I see that as beautiful like today. I'm here in new york and They're having this parade like thanksgiving and you you see the people in the streets super joyful just smiling and like Hugging and just like doing dances and shows and I'm like that's it That's how new art would look like if everybody just got over the bullshit and we embody our higher selves It's like that's it every day would be a parade a thanksgiving a christmas And it would be easy, but that's what's happening through this plan at the moment just shepherding that into More enlightenment more alignment. Yeah I think what Kanye said, I think a couple of years ago.  It should be just a celebration Yeah, yeah How wonderful Yeah, in mind that like if everybody realized they're infinitely worthy to be who they are they're accepted their love They forgive everyone which is forgiving oneself and wants perceptions We would just like follow our highest excitement and share love and there's no even need for the discernment because everybody would be coming from integrity So it would be so much easier party Yeah Yeah, like total alignment total discernment a total creativity total celebration Um total basic needs being met.  It's already heaven and it's becoming more and more heaven like more and more purified more wake. Yeah Wow, that's wonderful Yeah And then so you you were both Taking one-on-ones, so there's links by the way, there's links in the bio for everybody to Nikki's website her youtube channel her instagram. She has two profiles there So because you're taking both one-on-ones Still and you can find that in the bio on her website, but also You're producing content that shares In this mass awakening So you're doing you you're doing both. So there's kind of like two options if people want to like follow you or like get to Get more involved with what you share They can both Check it out like digitally on the content you share instagram youtube and whatnot or they can also go one-on-one with you Yes, equally. I just write every day. I post something that comes to me in the moment. So Sometimes people it's like hey, I've been following you for a year I without a session and I have shifted so many things. So if the person has accountability to do it solo They can just with the content if they want more personalized attention. I I love that is so exciting Yeah and then Do you feel like Do you feel like the content for you?  Do you Do you feel like the content?  No, I'm not oh my god Do you feel like when you share and like comes through to share? Do you feel like um When you know when people like send a comment on that content And they're like, oh like that's such a good way to look at it or whatever So you like serve yourself in that way and then also when they Like click to like come in for a one-on-one session Have you seen like a positive feedback loop with like, you know being inspired and also being Like fearless and courageous with sharing and how that feeds back into like your your like your happiness Your peacefulness your network your prosperity You mean I sharing or them sharing you sharing Oh, yes for sure. Like it's just brings me joy Not even if there's even no result or no comment or nobody reason it's I'm still like joyful because it That's how we know it's the calling work. It's like lets me up. Yeah Yeah, and by Product of that it helps because it's it has that vibration. So Yes Yes, yes yeah, the the the byproduct of you sharing is not only your own process of Like refining how you speak like but it's all right But it's also the fact that the content goes out and impacts your other selves And then that they become more like aware of your like of your offerings and and so there's like There's such a good feedback loop That happens from courage from fearlessness in sharing but I would also say and I'm curious. Do you feel like the same thing is true when you don't share because you Like gain new levels of emptiness or like peacefulness or Relaxedness where it's like even though an insight came through you don't have to go online and share it Right away, but that you can just like relax into it at the same time. Yeah, wonderful That goes back to like being of service because it's intuitive or because I want to show something It's more intuitive and the sense that oh beautiful. Let's just integrate and then see what beautiful Magic can come through that in whatever form it's expressed and sometimes it's just like it's so potent that it needs to be there It's like, oh, I don't know something took my hand and wrote it and I'm like, I don't even know what happened Yeah, so that's like a lot of potency and yeah, so it's both. It's just like feeling into it I love that Do you ever feel like Because Let's say like 7.9 billion 99 billion whatever of all your other selves are all like Exactly where they like need to be They're all already according to their own will their own choice their own play In the dance They're like exactly where they're supposed to be and so do you ever also feel into like Well If it is me exactly where I'm supposed to be then why would I share to To myself Yeah, yeah, so tell me about that process for you. How that's a beautiful product. It's They don't need to be like everybody has their own person Here But in my own journey, I've been served so well by Mirrors and by teachers and it helps me so much and it's also fun It's like why not getting myself through this experience. Yes, coaching session as is like coaching session But let's play same as going to the movies, but let's play without our own life So Yeah, it's it's like that's why I do it out of joy. You know like oh, they need my help Nobody needs me like nobody actually needs you.  Yeah So so then it's like a see it's like a It's like permission slips as catalysts Uh like like we When we sit down with somebody And it's clear that like one of us is more unblocked than the other one like one's more clearly free than the other one We we like the less the the more the more blocked Is using the less blocked as a permission slip for them and a catalyst for themselves to become Less blocked more free Yes, I see it as like my higher self playing games putting that person there like oh see yourself through this person because you are them And that's what your potential is. So it's just like oh, this is me in the future That's how I see my teachers.   Tell me more like Going back to the classroom and aligning the aspects Yeah so that the trigger itself the thought advertisement comes up and it's a trigger um to see that as our own Creation of the other self being there that then creates the trigger thought advertisement for our selves to liberate ourselves from getting fixated on the trigger and getting upset and Like we're having what's what's the word? Like Resentment Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so it's it's just like wonderful and we're able to experience the trigger But be like, oh, this is showing me where I need to work on like That's beautiful. Yeah, universe triggered me show me where I'm not free So it becomes and once we see the benefit of it, then it's exciting and we want to get triggered Yeah, but I can't be scary because I've been there too. I'm like, no, no, no, no Leave me in my contracted state. I'm safe here So It has this wonderful game playing video games here Okay, so you would say that like lead when you see reality as a school That that like a video game school that that can be one of the most like clear ways of seeing Yeah, I see it like that and we're just like going through levels and getting new tools and opening That's why I call the sessions the portal because I see every person as a portal Like right now you're opening just a pathway and wearing the same space It's not like you're there and I'm here. We're just sharing frequencies and we're both getting enhanced by the interaction So it's like a person giving you an opportunity to walk through the portal That's the person and then you get those codes and then you put that in your character and you're more upgraded And then you can go to the trials and tribulations of life, which is just play But however you want to see it In a way more free and expanded and just like free go. You saw that movie Oh, yeah, such a good movie Yeah, when he kissed the girl got all the code and he's like, uh, this is how life is like Oh, and then he like quit his job and was able to create more financial abundance and travel and this and he was like super hero And I'm like, that's how I see the portal is like giving that platform to like upgrade Yeah Because people have don't have done that for me just setting that platform in Ah, so grateful. Yeah Such a good description I'm so visual if you haven't noticed every time you ask me something I'm like the wheel this that Yeah, me too And it's been fun and I bet it's been similar for you too where because like I'm also very visual and I'm very conceptual And so it's fun to also be able to be empty of visuals and concepts Yeah, have you had like an interesting experience with like emptying yourself of visuals and concepts and then also being able to access them as you need Yeah We're like right ago I was Just telling Danny like I feel empty Like there's nothing like there's no sensation. I feel so much peace And I enjoyed it, but then I got bored and I'm like, okay, let's find like a movie and I'll play with emotions and sensation And that's the beautifulness of newborn eyes. I'm sorry. It's like, you know, and I'm empty and I feel peace I want to play with characters and archetypes and sensations and Beautiful, but I feel like having that background emptiness. It's so Much more And nourishing to play the game of life because without it then we get caught up in the characters and the sensations And we believe that the scene is real but when you know, it's not real Then you can have so much more fun with it So good Oh Man, so it's like having the having the background knowledge Of source of emptiness of the white canvas Is then what enables you to like express yourself Into the infinite creation into all of the possibilities of sensations and experiences From a place of wholeness, but also from a place that doesn't get lost in the illusion doesn't get lost in samsara. It's so good Like being in the world but not of it Also one of my favorite quotes like but how do I do that? I'm like, well, you just explain it in the whole You're the carrot Yeah Oh good, though. It's so it's so it's so simple. It's that good really like It's such a good That should change my bio from movie Yeah, it's so good It's so funny because people that people that like get that you're not talking about like yourself as a person Like that it's a really important distinction because otherwise like you can read that and there's so many interpretations um And then like so then you wonder like well, how can I write this so that Almost all different interpretations can get something Out of it that doesn't necessarily trigger them or she thinks that she's so she's the carrot everybody should want to What can be nicky? Yeah, like she thinks he's a spiritual teacher. Who told you you're so advanced, you know, although he goes getting like I'm like, I'm you like so that's what I'm maybe ironing out at the moment. It's like well I feel like vibrationally whoever it's meant to be stepping my field for service would happen So I'm like, um, they would get it so I don't need to work on it But then suddenly I'm like this can help much more people. So that's why I try with terms and symbols like trauma healer and Emotional caution I was so against the word caution before because I saw it as like I'm like this is not caution. We're just mirroring each other But it's just such a symbol that the matrix has like normalized and I'm like, let's play with that So yeah, yeah So almost like you can make a concession Into matrix terminology to help actually serve people that are seeking That's a great point. Yeah, I'm trying to do. Yes. Yeah I I I actually think that's really resonant for like if anybody's ever um, like gotten Tastes of like themselves being like ultimate reality. I think I am the carrot is like a pretty good way Oh it goes back to comedy. It's like how funny Brickster, you know, it's like I'm the carrot. It's like this shit's so unreal. I'm the carrot How she gets it, you know We're good And like another way to maybe say it is yeah because I'm the carrot's so good because then it's like I'm the reward Like I am I'm the divine like I am absolutely. I mean like that's so good, but then um but then also I really like Something like I am the like I am the painter in all or whatever like because then there's like a you know Like I am the pupil like the one I right or whatever right that like there's that kind of Of way of like sharing it or expressing it that then gets people to like get the mirroring aspect at a Yeah, yeah It's like the carrot it's like shape chips into a pen or it's like a pen carrot and then you can like paint with it I'm painting you now. Oh, what a beautiful creation I just saw you with like little kitty things Oh The painter is the carrot Yeah, now you get it. No like the carrot. It's just the paint. Yeah. Yeah, it is the actual brush. Yes Yeah, yeah, I'm saying like if you know the painter the one painter is the carrot like the One infinite creator is the reward. Yes, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, like that kind of way of putting it. Yeah Oh, that's so good Like you are already the reward Uh And yet it's also simultaneously that there's like an apparent like further liberating oneself of condensed energy and And behavior patterns that are rooted in separation because you can't you can't get away with it, you know, it's always so you don't you don't fall for the because I know that it's it's gotten really common like with neo advaita to Sort of just go directly to say that, you know, there's nobody here.  So I don't have to look at my shatter shit So it's more I see the carrot or the background canvas as a way for us not to feel guilty If the persona or the ego acts out or says something or quote unquote fucks up It's like you're not that so it instantly liberates us from guilt and gives us the free space to how can I work through this? How can I own it? How can I choose differently? So that's the beauty of Both worlds or the emptiness and the love together nice yeah And and I I love that and then I've also found that it's it's really important to also um Like the whole there is only one of you which is also something that bintino has been adamant about because We did so it's so easy for us to say that. Ah, that's the ego and then to Almost like outsource ourselves to that And so to also recognize that this like The the conditioned self is both it's entangled. So it's both Not us and us or neither Us nor not us And so like to to also be comfortable with that to be like, yeah Like in this case in this example this avatar did apparently have 25 years of conditioning And it still expresses itself sometimes from there and that's not a problem because I know i'm far far beyond that But I am also purifying this avatar's Exactly that removes any any subtle from it or guilt or I cannot show myself because I would be vulnerable. It's like no, it's you're not that and we're also like doing the same thing So there's that like collective support into Stepping up into more emptiness Yeah Yeah I have a silly I let's play with some silly questions to to end. This is so good. Okay. Let me just check. Yeah, I think you have Just a little bit like a couple more minutes of silly questions. Yeah What's your favorite food Mmm Pasta I love pasta with like good wine just like a spaghetti with like Vodka sauce. I love pink sauce I love sensuality So I find pasta really romantic the way you eat it and you taste it with like the wine and the sensations and sense I'd like to eat a little in the background and I'm good to go Okay, do you have a do you have a Um That actually kind of plays me into the into an even better question to potentially ask which is what are your favorite sensations? That's it. It's I have a friend that calls me missus sensation because we went to a restaurant and like ordered true plates And I just taste it and he's like, why are you doing that? What's your waste of money? I'm like, I just want the sensation of it And since then he calls me missus sensation um That's just such a subtle question because I'm like I enjoy bliss, but then I'm like don't get it's about peace So it's like it's beautiful having sense pleasures and enjoying that aspect of being human But not to trick ourselves into that's there because I rather feel pleased Now after a year of bliss And realizing it's not there I guess McQueenie equanimity. Yeah Interesting so, um, you know as as we were just talking that last bit I noticed that Um, if you ask a really abstract question like what's your favorite sensation? Um, people will give you a very abstract answer because you went all the way to like bliss or peace which like really encompasses like a lot of sensory experience Um, but if I ask you something that's a lot more focused and narrow like what's your favorite food You see how much more like focused and narrow on just one aspect of like sensory experience. That was a really interesting Like little realization or insight there into like the whole that you can really go Particle or you can go way more wave and it's it's really cool Okay Um What texture of peace and bliss Like do you really love like what's the texture of it that like all? Bliss I just simply think of the bohemian rap city song because it goes all the way from In my perception of it from hell to heaven So it gives me bliss to experience my whole here's journey in one song and I'm like, that's blissful. It's like yum and peace The texture of the how can I describe it in a song or something or It's just silence More like a scene like just The mundane how can I see it right now? I'm doing laundry or doing the dishes or Even cleaning things that I had never had to do before now that I'm being a no man And I do those things and as before I used to do them trying to get somewhere or being like I need to become someone in life now I do it from I feel so much peace and I can have my mind empty while I do these dishes or I can clean the room and be like Ah like no thoughts and just being there fully. So that's the texture of like How much peace can you allow knowing meditation but in your normal day-to-day activities? So that's my favorite texture at the moment yeah great answer so Yeah, that reminds me a lot of like sahaja samadhi like weaving your absorption into your daily activities So there's the that's kind of like the tantric weaving approach to like anchoring heaven on earth And I love that for the peace and then I also loved when you're talking about peace just the silence the silence or like the very this thisness and Uh and just like what a relief that is it's so Leaving for that. It's just that's a good way. I guess another texture It's like total relief of like all things avatar and all things creation is like that um, and then bliss I like to what you said with bohemian rhapsody because it does take you on the whole spectrum the whole roller coaster itself and Then that gives you the whole like spectrum of sensation itself like which is yeah Cool. Thanks for eight minutes epic. I need to watch a movie. The whole here is joining one song. I'm like Yeah beautiful and that's why when we were like I don't know. It was like middle school or something like on the bus listening on those like those I those iPod touches with the wheel and like you'd split a headphone with like your little eighth grade friend And you would just listen to bohemian rhapsody and you and you wouldn't really understand like what exactly like why but like now You're an adult and you're like That's why Yeah, that's it. I'm like burly. I'm trying to be in a little bit. Yeah Yeah, uh beautiful Yeah, I do have to go now. I'm enjoying this a lot, but I see Danny looking at me like we have thanksgiving Perfect exactly and that was such a nice surprise to see him too. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I love you guys both. Um, yeah, have fun on Thanksgiving the rest of the day And um, thanks for coming on the show again, Nicky such a pleasure Yeah, I love it. So fun. We'd love to come again Such a such a cool variety of topics that were that recovered great Analogies also things that I feel like are we're going to be really useful for all our other selves to watch and enjoy Um, and also everybody. Um, thank you for tuning in. We love you very much Thank you. Thank you for being here Thank you. Thank you for tuning in check out the links in the bio below Again, it's nicky's website her youtube Subscribe to the channel check out the videos good stuff there and also her instagram profiles check it out You can sign up for one-on-ones if you'd like with her And um, also if you also like the video this interview itself Definitely like the video it helps the algorithm subscribe to the channel If you haven't yet leave a comment below with your thoughts on the video And also share the video with other people that you feel like it would profoundly influence positively That's all folks Love you so much. Nicky. Thank you, sweetie Thank you Bye guys Thank you. 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and welcome to the Matrix of Peace show produced by Think Tech Hawaii. I'm your host, Phyllis Blyse, and CEO of Peace Through Commerce. I'm also here in my role as the recent past president of the American Creativity Association and current president of its Austin Global Chapter, as you shall see. Our guest today calling in from Vancouver, Canada is Haley Simons. She is the founder of Creative Alberta. She also has other roles. She's a concert pianist, but Haley and I have taken on a challenge offered to everyone by the US Congressional Commission on what happened from the terrorist attacks, on the Twin Towers in the United States, on the Pentagon, and even on the White House. On September 11, 2001. In other words, as this show title foreshadows, this episode is a reopening of a cold case, the case of the 911 terrorist attacks. And what we want you to know is the commission found that one of the greatest faults that day was the lack of imagination and creativity by those in the United States who might have prevented those attacks. Haley and I will begin to unpack that process of rising to providing imagination and creativity using the matrix of peace whole systems model of society. And that will help us begin this process of solving what we find are multiple crimes that stem from that attack. Aloha, Haley, glad to have you here. Aloha, fillers. Thank you for having me. You're welcome. You know, Haley, we've really been spending a lot of time about this attack and the call to creativity and imagination. And we really wanna do something on the ground. And we have a lot of ideas about that. But today you and I thought we would just introduce how to think about triggering and putting in place the right kind of imagination and creativity using this matrix model. And I'm really excited to do that with you today. You're the perfect person for this job. Before we do that, let's set the field. Let's set the stage that the Library of Congress for the United States has a short clip that our engineer, Michael, is going to show for us. And we'll go back to those moments. American 11, are you trying to call? The cops haven't not answered your phone. Our number one is in staff and our five is in staff. And we're gonna call from Washington. I am in a situation where the Americans learn the possible hijack. What's going on, Betty?  We're erratic. What are you talking to? Oh, God. Oh, my God. United 175, New York. We have some problems over here right now. We might have a hijack over here, too. Oh, my God. Jules, this is Ryan. Listen, I'm on an airplane that's on hijack. The thing is, I'm so well and I'm looking good.  I want you to be good. So happy to sign. Same to my parents and everybody. And I just totally love you and I'll see you later, Mr. Bye, babe. I got an aircraft that's about east of the White House. Crystal City, just north of Crystal City. Just north of here, too. Yeah, stop all the parking. United 93, that traffic fee is 1 o'clock, 12 miles. Eastbound 370. Negative contact, we're looking at United 93. Hey, hey, hey! United 93, wait a minute. If you hear the sound right then. I got that piece of stuff. Keep it ready, Mr. D. You're having a war, boys. Hey, hey, hey! Whoa! I believe it is 57. Can you see him up there, sir? That's confirmed. Looks like he's rocking his wings. Roger. He's rocking back and forth. We're 568655 by as you stay away from that aircraft. Go north as fast as you can. United 93, have you got information on that yet? Yeah, he's down. He's down? Yes. When did he land? He did not land. Oh, he's down? Yeah, somewhere up north east of Camp David.  I don't want people waiting. I've come to superimpose this flight. Maybe there's two of us in the building.  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Say you're going to die. Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, say your prayers. We're going to think positive because you've got to help each other get off the floor without dying. That's a lot. We all go back to that day, I think. You were having a baby that morning. You know, Phyllis, my daughter's due date was 9-11. 2001. But she was upside down. She was a breach, baby. So her C-section was scheduled the week prior, September 4. Because on September 11, my obstetrician and her pediatrician were both in New York. They were scheduled to be in New York on a medical convention that day. So both medical providers were there. And they ended up operating in a rescue position, actually. It was fortunate they were there. But it was a long, long time. It was actually quite a few years before I saw any footage from that event at all. Because it was just too closely associated. It was still hard. Still, for a Canadian on the West Coast now of Canada, it's that impactful. It had global impact. It was not a local event. It was not just a national event. This had global, universal human impact. Well, yes. And that's why we want to start today and offer to the audience a process that can help us intelligently design a problem-solving process that can rework what kind of response the US could have had that day and what kind of proactive action could have already been on the ground in the works between al-Qaeda and the official leaders of Islam and the leaders of the United States to have preempted, even having had the attack. So you and I are going to talk about that. We're going to talk about phase one of the matrix methodology and facilitation tool. I want to do that. And we're going to show how that works. There are five phases to the matrix of peace methodology. We'll introduce phase one today. But before we do that, let's set some more of the scene. I want to read for the audience what a key finding was, perhaps the key finding by the United States Congressional Joint Inquiry into the terrorist attacks. And we'll bring up that slide three. I'll let everyone read it. I'm so glad to see this kind of visionary and honest report by this is the House and the Senate committee, Joint Committee report. They say that prior to 9-1-1, the intelligent communities, analytic components, that's the FBI, the CII, and the other departments. So this is a public sector sort of review. Those entities, those groups, failed to understand the collective significance of the information that was in their possession. Why? This failure, as they found, is attributable to a basic lack of creativity and imagination in evaluating the intelligence that was at hand. OK. I feel like that is a challenge, a call to action to everyone on the planet. This kind of invasion is happening not just in 9-1-1. We know it happened in Pearl Harbor. That is still seen as one of the largest failures of an imaginative, creative response to act on intelligence that was in hand that brought the United States into World War II. That's a massive response and result. And then we have 9-1-1. We have other significant being caught unprepared. So here we have, you started Creative Alberta. And at the time this all happened, I was just in law school. I wasn't involved with the American Creativity Association. Let's just take a moment because I know that you and Creative Alberta tried to answer this call. And you know, I think Lincoln Center, and you were invited to go to Washington, DC, right? Or was it New York? It was New York. You went to New York to Lincoln Center. So share with us before we talk about this deliberate process using the matrix of peace to answer the call. Tell us what you did as a leader in Creative Alberta at that time. Well, I was so taken by actually an initiative that was already underway. And through some wonderful colleagues and connections, you know well as well. Susan McKellant, the leader of Creative Oklahoma, through that group and through the National Creativity Network, I had the great privilege of being introduced to Scott Marshall Brandon, who took this initiative called Imagination Conversations. And his idea was to gather people in the room to address this as one of the most damning citations ever to arise from your country. And I was really honored to be actually, we were the only Canadians invited to this very small summit event in New York in 2010. And I was so taken by the event itself. It had enormous potential. It had lofty goals. And I wanted to take it back to Canada. We were the only Canadians. And I asked permission of Scott, may we input something like this in Canada? And he very generously said, by all means, take it. It's yours. And we did. And I know there's something not very creative about that. But we wanted to have this conversation in Alberta, which was where I was living at the time. And we gathered as many stakeholders for a three-day event to not so much have a conversation. We had some opportunities. And we can talk about that actually as one of the downfalls of the event. But it was an opportunity to showcase imagination and creativity through the various sectors. And one of the most represented sectors actually was education. Education is so on board with getting creativity instilled as a systematic process within the pedagogy and throughout the educational system, especially in Alberta at that time. We had, of course, the arts community was there full force. And we had some amazing shows. But we also had some very poignant presentations from law. We had representatives from, we actually had an astronaut from the US. It was John Harrington, Sergeant John Harrington at the time. He was, so we had a scientific representative. We had a brain scientist. We had a lot of science, a lot of art, a lot of education, but the event halted there. So it was a three-day, beautiful summit event and it was installed. So we had this potential that was just never fulfilled. And it's like the Charles Schultz cartoon, the Peanuts cartoon where he said sometimes the heaviest burden to bear is a great potential. So it felt like that for our imagination conversation. OK, so let me just kind of pick your brain a little. We know that this is a new kind of war is what they said. And it was. Certainly the United States had never been attacked outside of Pearl Harbor, outside of the Hawaiian Islands. The mainland United States had not been attacked by this, apart from the Civil War, not the Civil War. I mean, the Revolutionary War with England and then the War of 1812 and then 9-1-1 is a long span. So it's a new kind of war. This wasn't even country to country. These were terrorists and yet they got through. So in that three days, I don't want to talk so much particularly yet about who was convening. I want to know what you did based on what you did, what it wanted to do. Did you brainstorm how to have, did you have this finding in hand that the lack of creativity and imagination and evaluating the intelligence? Did you have that up on the board? Did people say what could have been done differently, either there or at the Lincoln Center with Scott's group? Did you say what was missing? Did you itemize what the intelligence was? And what did it mean? How did you define creativity and imagination? Why would anybody say that was what was lacking? Why didn't they just say that information was lacking? Did you connect those dots? They didn't have the imagination to connect the dots of the education. So what happened in those three days, just a 10,000 foot view, did it shed light? I mean, would things have happened differently based on those three days, the solutions that you generated or that you know of from Lincoln Center? Yeah, that's a great question. And the short answer to that is no. The this missive, this failure of a lack of creativity and imagination stood on its own. We literally extricated that with the fact that it had that validation from, I mean, as a Canadian. I knew so little about the American political system at the time. And to have this joint committee come up with this missive was astounding, I think still. Maybe it would be even more astounding today. I'm not sure. But we extricated that and used that as the the raison d'etre for the entire conversation. So we didn't have to address, in particular, sending off a terrorist attack. We wanted to implant and say, if we start to change now, how can we change the future? And we used that to future build and future project. And that instead of looking back, we wanted to look forward. And maybe that was also part of it. We had a failure to look to really exude what had happened and say, what was it about this event that we could have addressed better, that we could have actually implemented to make a more meaningful event? Because unless you have that deep analytical analysis and a look at it, then you might not have the proper structure going in to have something effective come out of an event like that. So did you come up with the top 10 things you would do differently? And maybe the answer is no, not at that time. But did you come up with three things that would have been game changing? Or did you just talk about you need to look forward? Or did you say we need to do popcorn brainstorming and narrow it down to three things? Or do we need to bring computers into the room? And maybe I'm just sort of doing a survey now of what the kind of things that could have been said. Before we get into a facilitated discussion that the matrix might have made a change.  Did you have a single outcome that would trigger imagination or creativity differently in using the data that came in? And another great question. And also looking back, something that I would have done differently today, I dearly wish there was some system in place like that. And I'm glad we're gonna talk about that later because I can see that potential actually becoming fulfilled with a better system. What our event essentially landed on was the importance of education and having this primary creative imaginative curriculum and curricular outcomes as the number one key to planting that seed for events. But it was a very broad, not detailed finding at the end. There was no official report. There were board meetings and minutes and there was feedback from the participants. And we had several hundred participants as well. I think our event was actually larger than the event in New York. So we did have more people in the room but not necessarily all of the right people who maybe should have been there. Okay, so let's bring up the matrix of peace. And we have a very little time. We needed an hour show today. So let me give a very 10,000 foot 101 class on how the matrix might have informed those precious time of the people in the room. So here we have a matrix of peace, whole systems model of society. So if you imagine that this was an x-ray of the body of society, it would have four structural components like its circulatory system, its bones and its organs. The society has three basic sectors, the public, the private and civil society sectors and they're represented there by the outside circles. The fourth critical component of this model of society is the yellow globe around it. And we call that the consciousness sphere. It's one, the three circles represent best or worst practices going on on the ground. But then influencing everything is how you feel about what's going on on the ground. And we say values unite, but beliefs divide and what are the beliefs, the values, the virtues and the worldviews of the people. And this model engages all four components of society. So we'll go to the next slide and talk about the intersectionality of the three outside sectors. We say that in order to get to justice, prosperity, sustainability and peace, they must work together and it's the consciousness sphere that forces them together. The next slide shows how when you have dividing beliefs and anger and intolerance, you have, let's say this was on a global scale, let's say this was the United States and Islamic countries that are in war with or disagreement with, maybe not just the United States but the West, our combined societies, our public, private and civil society sectors are not talking at all. So that's how the model works. And until they come together in the intersections, they can't co-create justice, prosperity, sustainability or the superordinate intersection of societal peace. So go to the next slide. How do we use this model, have a conversation around the 911 attacks? We have a forming stage which draws upon representatives from all three sectors of society. In our case, that would be leaders of al-Qaeda, leaders of the Christian and other religions in the United States. Other maybe religious leaders is in the Islamic States, the minority leaders, and then representatives from the government and representatives from the private sector who you didn't talk about. So we didn't have Google, we didn't have Blue Origin, we didn't have SpaceX, we didn't have Facebook, we didn't have these large corporations that are countries within themselves. Had we had them all in the room, that conversation about where did imagination and creativity, where's the gaps? Why did they fall between all of those sectors communicating? And how do we make that happen the next time around? And so in that sense, I would say just today, answering the question of why you didn't have any answers and we haven't heard them today, is that we didn't have the right people in the room asking those questions together. And that's what phase one of the matrix of peace methodology would have facilitated. And on that, right there as we can see, that we just the forming of the group using the matrix model metrics would have changed the questions which would have then changed the answers that came out. You don't even need all five phases to have had a game-changing conversation with the convening methodology coming out of this matrix view of society. And with that, I have to wrap up the show and say goodbye, let the audience know that you've been watching The Matrix of Peace Show brought to you by Think Tech Hawaii. I'm your host, Elizabeth Lease, CEO of Peace Through Commerce. We've been discussing this episode on reopening the 911 attack cold case and how to answer that call for action using the matrix systems. Our guest is Haley Simons, the founder of Creative Alberta. And thank you, Mahalo Haley for joining us. Mahalo. Yeah, Mahalo to our viewers for tuning in. I'm Phyllis Lease, Aloha.


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Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE, covering AWS re-invent 2017, presented by AWS, Intel, and our ecosystem of partners. Well welcome back, we're live here in Las Vegas at re-invent, AWS putting on its annual show, and you might notice the volume's gone up a little bit around here, well it's the five o'clock reception time here, so the show floor has a little different vibe to it, you might say, right now. Justin Moran, John Walsh, you kind of feel it, don't you right now? Oh yeah, there is an energy, just sort of vibrating around us. I can feel the energy lifting as the boost starts to flow some more. The energy's a good way to put it. Right, we're with W. Curtis Preston, who is the Chief Technical Architect at Druva, and Curtis, thanks for being with us. Glad to be here. Do you feel the vibe too? I feel the vibe, I feel the vibe standing out in the big line to get in here. Yeah, not on, yeah in here. Now we're in here, it's a lot of people. Good, by the way, for those who are not at home, not familiar, you were named this year on the Deloitte Technology Fast 500 list, 175. Quite an honor. I assume you're talking about Druva, not me personally. Yeah, Druva, not you, although maybe you did, I don't know. Yeah, I don't think, yeah. But that's quite an accomplishment though, and quite an honor for the company. I mean, tell a little bit about that, about that process, and what do you think that means? What's that stamp of approval for what you guys are doing? Well, I think it's just, like a lot of those lists, it's a recognition of the position that we're holding, right? I mean, Druva historically is really well known for their protection of endpoints and SaaS applications. They're expanding into data center and cloud protection, but I think they're absolutely recognized as the leader in the protection of endpoints. So characterize the cloud work you guys are doing. Like you said, this is a new move for you, I mean, relatively new move, but the market's driving that way, right? People are starting to nod their head, they're thinking, yep, this is where we need to be. So what has been your strategy then as far as facilitating what's not no longer a trend, it's a way of life? Yeah, so I'd say first off, we are definitely, unlike a lot of other players, we are a cloud-first company in that it's not a strategy, it's a way of life. So our entire application is built in and for the cloud, and by that I mean that it takes advantage of everything that the cloud offers, right? And when you look at specifically AWS, a lot of backup software products use, they all use some kind of database, some kind of catalog to keep track of all the backups. And all of those catalogs, all of those databases, whether it's SQL Server or DB2 or Oracle, they all have scalability limits. We chose to use DynamoDB, which is an incredibly scalable NoSQL database that's built and available in Amazon as a service. And then all of our products all run in Amazon, right? And so we can scale both up and down to meet the requirements of a customer. So if we get a new customer, we had a customer that I can't mention by name, but they're a large company that started out with what we consider a small installation of about 10,000 laptops. And that was nice. And then it went well, and then there was a ransomware scare. And so they said, you know what? We're going to go ahead and do everything. And so suddenly we needed to do 10 times as many laptops. Well, because of the way AWS is, we could scale both the database, the compute and the storage all instantly to meet the demands of that client. And then once that's done, scale it back down to get back to a state of normal, right? So for us, the cloud is sort of the core of who we are. And then the only expansion for us is actually protecting the cloud. So we've always used the cloud as our destination, but now our newest offering Apollo actually is designed to protect starting with AWS and then expanding into the rest of the Amazon, what I should say, starting with EC2 and then eventually expanding into the rest of the AWS world. All right, so with the tradition of endpoint protection and clearly that, it's really loud, I'll make sure I'm yelling. So with the heritage that you've got of backing up endpoints and being able to protect endpoints and now you're moving to protect cloud workloads. As you say, you've got this cloud heritage, but you're now looking at protecting workloads that live in the cloud. What are some of the things that Dhruva's bringing from that endpoint knowledge that applies to those cloud type workloads? Well, I think the idea is that, one of the things about the cloud, when people sort of view, I think there's steps of people using AWS, right? They sort of experiment and they try out this and that. But once somebody really understands like we did, the things you can do when you have, when you can scale your VMs instantly and limitlessly, and your storage, and your compute, and your databases, once they go down that route, I think the fact that we, not necessarily the history of the endpoint itself, but the infrastructure that we built in order to protect those endpoints is already totally scalable and ready to meet the needs of however big of a workload that you'll put in AWS. Yeah, I often like to say that cloud is a state of mind. So if you've already got that state of mind that I want to run my workloads in a cloud-like way, well, I want to be able to protect them in a cloud-like way. And it sounds like that that's really what you're trying to nail. Yeah, and it's a big difference because any, like, I can look out and see multiple backup products available. And, you know, there's a lot of good backup products here, but any of them can run in the cloud, right? You can create a Linux VM or a Windows VM and install your backup software, but it's not going to magically become more scalable because you're running it at Amazon, right? So designing the product for Amazon and that scalable way of doing things, that's why we talk about being cloud-native. So how are you attracting customers who would have traditionally thought of you as this endpoint customer, sorry, an endpoint company? As well, now you're actually saying, look, we have these at different offerings. So how are you starting to talk to those different kind of customers? How are you finding them and what is it that you're finding resonates with them as compared to some of the other options that they might have? Yeah, so as you probably know, I've been in the backup space now for a quarter of a century. Literally wrote the book. Literally wrote the book, right? It's on O'Reilly. O'Reilly.com. We'll give you a plug later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, all right. The, so, yeah, literally wrote the book. Yeah. One thing I can say, there's a couple of things I can say about backups in general in the average data center. One is everybody hates their backup software, right? It's just like nobody likes it because it's so hard, right? It's so hard to configure and you get, using disk as a mechanism instead of tape as a primary mechanism has made things better but it hasn't really solved it, right? It's still this really difficult to manage. There's this massive amount of infrastructure that has to be put in place to do all of that. And because that's so hard and it's so error prone and it's, you know, you're invisible or you're in trouble. No one cares about the millions of backups you get right. Only the one restore you got wrong. And so what that translates into is the other truth which is nobody wants to be the backup guy, right? I mean, the way I got my first job in backups 24 years ago was a guy named Ron Rodriguez did not want to be the backup guy. And Curtis, you're it. Yeah, you're it. And I within two months had my first major failure as the backup guy for a $35 billion company and I thought I was done. I thought I was fired like so many other backup people and somehow just accidentally I ended up staying. And so what happens is it's so hard. So the question is, so to go to your question, well, what if it was simple, right? And the situation is it's not, the current system's not scalable. You're always buying another media server. You're always buying another tape drive. You're always buying another dedu-box.  I remember having to go to my boss and being out of tapes. This is, you know, back when tapes were a thing. And I remember saying, hey, I'm out of tapes. And she's like, we don't have budget. I go, she's like, what are our choices? And I go, well, I can stop the backups. She's like, that's not funny. I'm like, that's our choice, right? I have so much capacity here, right? These are my choices, right? So she gave me the tapes that I needed, right? And the same thing, so it's not scalable, the current system. You're always in need of some piece. It's also super expensive, right? And it's super hard. So we try to be the opposite of that. So we try to be scalable, simple, and, you know, save people money, right? And that was one, I know we have a 4S thing. And it's right there on the tip of your tongue, right, right?  So the big thing is, it's way easier. Just put a piece of software and magic happens, right? And if you're large enough data center that you need to do what we call seeding, where you have to use sneaker net to get the data to us, we have a system for that. If you have a large enough system where the RTO is not going to be able to be met by a copy that's on the other side of the internet, then we have a caching appliance that goes on site to provide fast recovery. So it's like it's super simple, way less expensive, and I do mean way less expensive. When I've seen some TCOs where we compete against other companies, we're even less expensive than renewing what you have, let alone going and buying. Replacing, yeah. And replacing it with something else, because that happens all the time. People are always, because people are always swapping their backup software, because the problem has got to be the backup software, right? And I think in the end, it is, right? But it's because that core architecture, that core way of we've done backups, has essentially stayed the same since before I started. All we did was we changed tape to disk, right? And we introduced DDoop, which was great, but there's this technology that we call DDoop that is really hard when you do it on the back end. There's a company here who makes a lot of money on selling those appliances, right? Except it's really hard to do that, and so it's really expensive to do that, and then you got to pay for one here, and you got to pay for one over there. With us, you don't buy that, you just go straight to us, and then because we're in AWS, it's already in three locations, right? And it's already off-site. Well, Curtis, they said 24 years ago it wasn't going to last, but it did. You made it, congratulations. Thanks. Yeah, we appreciate the time here. Thanks for being with us here on theCUBE, and on 175th next year, who knows where you're going, right? Who knows where we're going. Excellent. Curtis Preston, join us here from Druva. Back with more live from Las Vegas, we are at ReInvent at AWS, back with more in a bit.