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that's Jim's favorite thing to brag about on Slack to me and JJ updating us on which tackle just set some sort of record for agility so no I don't know anything about offensive tackle so we're gonna get we're gonna actually gonna get a few of those in the top of the draft so it's gonna be a little bit of a slow start if you're here for the fantasy analysis but that's all right because we got betting takeaways from inside the top 10 because I think all nine of the 10 teams picking I mean we get more than we got the jets and Giants picking double there but all these teams are like dead last and pressure rate so we're gonna see some edge rushers off the board but that's all right we got some some betting takeaways there yeah lots of betting takeaways that we that we have to talk about and who better to talk about that with the one Jessica grid iron guys you can follow her on Twitter at grid iron and wine handling betting content for a fan duel and she's been she's been killing it guys I mean if you haven't been following along with her the NCAA March madness she had you guys covered she has you guys covered with futures for MLB she's been killing it in NBA and Jessica we're hoping that you can kill it tonight for the people for the NFL draft how are you doing today I'm doing great I'm glad to be here and you know it's it's gonna be a crazy weird draft I mean there's so many there's gonna be unexpected things are gonna happen I can't wait to just you know see what it you know is a quarterback gonna really get picked win and where and all these wide receivers it's exciting and you know there's wine in my name for a reason and I feel like the just the adrenaline of just like you not knowing what's gonna happen and the excitement around it I thought I'd pour myself a glass of alberino to you know just keep my vibes there since I can't be in Vegas you know drinking away and enjoying myself like I really wish I could be but yeah I'm excited absolutely we we are excited in and the excitement you know along with the NFL draft is is in it of itself but then we got the excitement when we welcome in JJ Zacharyson you guys know him don't be shy it's late round QB it's late round fantasy football without the trademark I think that's coming though isn't that right JJ let's hope yeah let's hope yeah yeah for sure excellent JJ you guys can follow him on Twitter at late round QB formerly of number fire now holding it down at late round fantasy football and JJ once you talk to the people just about what's going on and we're happy to have you on again yeah yeah so you know I'm the owner of late round fantasy football over the last couple months I've been just grinding this this wide receiver running back tight in a quarterback class for fantasy purposes I published a prospect guide back in March that breaks everything down I have a model that I'll be talking to and I'm not referring to a male or female model referring to spreadsheet and looking into into numbers and data and so that model spits out it's a running back and wide receiver model that can spit out who's gonna be good who's not gonna be good and for fantasy football purposes at the next level predicts the first three years of a player's career in fantasy football so we'll have some numbers to throw at you hopefully here in the first round because I think that we're gonna see at least at least five wide receivers get drafted I think you can feel pretty confident that six will probably go and then I think it starts to get a little iffy after that but that's still a good number of wide receivers you know that that are gonna be very very pertinent relevant for fantasy purposes yeah there's definitely gonna be a lot to talk about even even without the maybe skill position players that we're used to or that we saw last year we had a ton of fun just breaking down the 2021 prospects and what was coming in but JJ you kind of alluded to this offline when we were prepping for the show and just that there's gonna be some madness that happens today I think that we definitely see some some people move around I mean even from just a perspective of the first round pick like so many drafts prior to this one I felt like we knew exactly who the first round pick was gonna be there was no ifs and buts about it you just we're gonna be losing money if you didn't have the right person and now we have you know this kind of debate about who's gonna go number one it's you know at first it was Hutchinson and then we saw things change overnight with it being Trevon Walker and he's the favorite we have him at FanDuel on the sports book right now at minus 450 very juiced up there so there's a lot that's going on what are what are some storylines that we could be looking for here in the first round or trades that you guys could be excited about JJ I'll start with you yeah you know I think that the reason we're seeing what we're seeing an analyst saying what they're saying about this draft being so unpredictable is that there's just no clear cut number one guy at almost every single position and at least at the positions that we usually value highly from a draft standpoint from a team building sample and so you're talking edge rush you know there's a handful of really good ones but there's no consensus top one you know even tackle you have very good tackles in this class but there's not a consensus top one and then you look at like cornerback you know you again you have good corners in this class but on the top one and then wide receiver you know the position that I've studied a lot over the last couple of months I've been kind of describing it also as just flat like it's a fairly deep wide receiver class I think it's deep until you get to around like the wide receiver 10 11 or so and then you know it's still fairly you know it's still okay but I really do think at the top like at least eight wide receivers are very very strong and so but the problem is you could you know right now going into this draft Garrett Wilson's my wide receiver one for fantasy purposes I could leave tonight thinking that James and Williams is the wide receiver one or thinking that Drake London's the wide receiver one I mean it can go in a lot of different directions so that's definitely one thing to keep in mind for fantasy purposes you know other storylines I think there's there's two main like pivot points in this first round for potential trade-ups you know because it's so flat across all these positions you know we're likely not going to see a ton of trade-ups at least early on just because you know there's not this like stud the teams necessarily have to go after but I do think that Carolina's in a really interesting spot at number six where they don't have a lot of draft capital because of you know the darnold stuff and just you know they're not working with a lot they might not want to go the quarterback route because there isn't a top tier quarterback necessarily in this class that they don't go that route sure they can go off it's a tackle I think that's probably that you know if they do make the pick that's probably the the route that they go in but you know they're at a spot where there's going to be good players there obviously and that the team could want to trade up there and then the other sort of pivot point I think is 12 where Minnesota's at where you know Minnesota they could go defense on the defensive side they could go wide receiver in this draft but I do think that they are in a good spot for a team to leapfrog I think Houston's at 13 leapfrog Houston especially if there's you know like a quarterback situation you know I've seen a lot of people speculate that the Steelers could trade up with Minnesota give their second round pick and move from 20 to 12 and then get Malik Willis or get whatever the quarterback is QB1 on their board which seems to be Malik Willis but so I think those two points are sort of inflection points in this draft hopefully we get some trades because it always makes it interesting and even more unpredictable but I do think that that's sort of the way that I'm viewing this draft in total and Jessica when we talk about things from a betting standpoint just getting the bets in and guys for you guys are watching along with us we appreciate it five minutes five just over five minutes for the Jaguars pick to be in of course they're using the clock because it's Trent bulky and he's just going to melt this for what it's worth Jessica from a betting standpoint what are you looking at what's standing out to you on night one of the NFL draft well in honesty I mean it's just it's seen which which teams are going to benefit from you know that these play at these top 10 honestly like the top 10 players who's going to benefit team wise and is going to utilize them you know from a wide receiver standpoint as far as is it going to give them the juice to be able to be more successful this coming season you know it's all about the trenches in my opinion as well and the good thing even JJ mentioned you know there's a lot of edge pressures there's defensively then they look at offense there's a lot of teams that need tackles things like that so if they're able to protect their quarterback and then we know that these teams are going to be able to do better from a betting standpoint that's only going to you know elude me to like these teams and have them projected to be able to win more games. No absolutely that's that's going to be a fun one to monitor it's just fun to talk about the top 10 picks as well I know that on on fan dual you guys you could get after a free roll to predict the top 10 picks are close to them I think it was a 10 K free roll 2000 the first so that's going to be a fun one to monitor throughout the night Brandon the pick is in for Jacksonville they have made the pick we're just waiting for Goodell and you know the hugger that he is to approach the podium and we'll kick those off there I guess that would be in a fun bet just going to over under how many hugs that Goodell gives out Brandon with the pick being in kind of just talk to me you do a lot with wind totals and kind of talk to me about what this pick could mean necessarily for wind total without it being like a quarterback that we're used to seeing in the previous drafts I think this is going to be like the first draft or like one of the only drafts I think there are 11 where a quarterback wasn't selected in the top five and that's pretty much what we're looking at here since 1980 it's kind of crazy what what what stands out to you about this pick. Yeah so last year leading into the draft I did some research because I was building out wind totals before the draft usually it was after the draft and then we started doing this stream and I was like you to get some some some wind totals perhaps I was like okay how how reactive do I need to be to wind totals and updating the numbers based on first round picks second day picks and the answer is not a whole lot especially defensively defense I think is just it just lends itself to to your over your volatility as it is so it's very you know one bad defense one year they're naturally these these teams are going to regress toward the league average and so you can invest in an edge rusher here which we're all assuming you know Jacksonville is going to do you know the data kind of says that their defense is going to trend back up but not necessarily whether they take an edge rusher or not which sounds kind of weird but that's just how defense in the NFL works the biggest impact that I find actually just offensive tackle offensive linemen that's something that Jim who's not here Jim would be able to expand on this even more than me but he found out a few years ago as well and it still holds up like you invest in the offensive line I can actually feel like I can go tangibly upgrade your offensive efficiency because it impacts every single play if these guys are out there on the field these are you know tackles don't I mean they are the they are the lifeblood of an offensive line I guess and it really is the signal caller but you know if you don't have a good tackles you don't really have a good offensive line and so when I'm looking at things I'm not going to adjust very much at all whenever we see these edge rushers go it looks like Walker did go number one overall I'm looking more for quarterback changes and I'm looking more for offensive line investments to really make a tangible shift to my win total projections definitely so let's talk about this first round pick here and Trayvon Walker and and as we kind of alluded to at the top of the show this was a guy who was not really projected to go in the top 10 you know like six weeks ago and then all of a sudden has been catching some steam here the edge rusher out of Georgia and a lot of talk has been made about him kind of being you know maybe the upside guy in that Hutchinson would be a little bit more of the safe play and we know that bulky is is going to do what bulky does he makes those home run hits that he swings through the fences and this is one of those guys JJ what's your thoughts when you see this pick roll in as this was pretty much what we were thinking was going to happen pretty much as Monday this week and now it came to fruition. Yeah you know I think at the end of the day you know with you know a lot of people will be like who do you want your favorite team to pick who do you want your and I always approach it first by what position do I want my favorite team to pick right and at least Jacksonville is going at it from a from a perspective of getting the right position that you want to team build and build around and so you know I I don't study edge the way that other draft analysts might study edge and from what I've gathered you know looking at PFF data and such as well what I've gathered is that yes you know there are a lot of people like Hutchinson more than Walker but the gap there isn't so dramatically insane that this is just such like an out of nowhere pick where you know there's this obvious gap in terms of evaluation from one player to the next so if they like Walker more bulky really likes his long armed guys then you know that if he doesn't want to get a T Rex defensive end then that's the reason why he went walkers by instead of Hutchinson and at the end of the day you know I think that we all have to be have some sort of humility when we're evaluating these guys because we're going to be wrong all the time right at least they're approaching from the standpoint of they're getting a player that plays a position that matters that you should be team building around and they're not doing something like like the Giants did Dave Gettleman did a few years ago handful of years ago by getting safe on Barkley fourth overall you just you don't want to get devalued positions that earlier second overall whatever it was you know you don't want to get these positions so early because you're just devaluing them inherently and because they are devalued so I at least you know it's a good thing that they at least went after the right position and I think it's it's not something that's just so drastically horrible from an evaluation standpoint to really criticize the thing. Yeah I think that they were already talking to you know players on the team Josh Allen for example was making you know a lot of headway just by saying you know he didn't it could have been Hutchinson it could have been Trayvon Walker he was excited about any one of those guys coming in and kind of adding in some help we do have pick number two in as Roger Godell is coming up to the podium I think we can you know softly say that this could be Hutchinson but we'll maybe maybe they've been they've been really into Thibodeau. They have been which is so it is it is agent Hutchinson I'm looking at that they got that picking quick so they yeah they did get that picking quick but yeah like like you said JJ they were things were kind of brewing with with Thibodeau there just in the past like 48 hours of being that pick it was kind of hard to see you know I got like Dan Campbell head coach of the Lions passing up on a guy like Hutchinson you know played at Michigan going to the Detroit Lions like the storylines kind of right themselves sometimes right. Yeah for sure yeah I mean it seemed like a lot of people I mean a lot of mocks were on Thibodeau there thinking that he would be the dude that the Lions were high on him but then I think like right before the draft started there were some reports that they were down to like Hutchinson and in one of the corners for that second pick maybe maybe actually it might have been icky as the the other one with Hutchinson so yeah I mean look they went after the guy that was the consensus one seemingly you know around Heisman time so you know can't fault them obviously for this and them getting the the T-Rex armed edge right there. Yeah and even even with Hutchinson going going at number two there was still some pretty decent juice on him when you were looking at it if you wanted to take a take a shot on it so we got two two edge drudgers off the board and this is going to you know kind of dictate how the rest of this goes is Houston is now going to be on the clock if they do decide to keep their pick and they'll be picking at number three with you know just just as many needs as the first two teams coming in and they got new head coach and lovey Smith and a lot going on there I want to make sure we're touching on the people in the comments chat has been blowing up we appreciate you guys rocking along with us sure then I believe or shardan Polino asking about the stream if it can be saved and he'll be able to come back to it or he or she and yes you will be able to come back to this stream you guys will be able to watch it on YouTube after the fact so you can get all the analysis you guys need to go on about your 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quarterback potentially after getting after seeing Matt Ryan go JJ you talked about Carolina with you know them swinging and missing on Sam Darnold last year like what are our thoughts about this week QB class in general and and are any of these quarterbacks gonna make an impact on day one yeah I mean I can talk about a little bit I mean I think that there's reason to not be bullish on each of these guys like you can pinpoint reasons as to why I mean Malik Willis competition wise it wasn't there he wasn't even in a very accurate quarterback college but the tools are there right he has the highest ceiling in this class seemingly and then from a fantasy perspective with Malik Willis he's sort of that not quite Lamar Jackson I don't think we can say from a rushing standpoint but he's not he's not fast like Lamar he's more so just able to bulldoze guys and he's really agile on the open field so it's a little bit different you know in terms of what how he can utilize his legs but he's going to be able to utilize them from a fantasy standpoint and we know that we want those dual threat quarterbacks from a fantasy perspective Kenny Pickett has some mobility too we all saw the fake slide me a pit alum I was at that game ACC champs let's go you know we does have some mobility to him but you know that's just sort of what we see from college quarterbacks these days that they have at least some mobility to their game so it's not necessarily like this differentiation point of differentiation for Kenny Pickett but it is there I mean you can escape the pocket and you can still work in a scheme that needs some some mobility at the quarterback position the thing with Pickett is that you know it's this Joe Burrow Mac Jones syndrome where they didn't do anything throughout their collegiate career but then they have this monster monster senior season the difference with Pickett is that he's very old you know played a very long time at Pitt at least he start like the the good marks or that he at least played for a while like he wasn't just like sitting there and then all of a sudden you know played two years ago and was was pretty mediocre and then played this past year and was really good he played a long time at Pitt I mean he broke all of Pitt's passing records essentially and so you know at least he has that going for him but you don't necessarily one quarterbacks coming out that late they generally don't have great hit rates Jim Sonnis you know you know Jim pours them out for Jim not being here tonight but Jim Jim talks about that at length all the time with his quarterback stuff is just you know games started and games played is very important but you don't want those games to just be old games you know when these guys are older Pickett to me you know that the comp is generally that's thrown around I agree with it is Andy Dalton you know I think that's that's what we're looking for maybe a little bit more mobile than Andy Dalton but you know that's why I see good else coming out on stage right now so I can stop rambling but I think that's why you know people aren't as excited about Pickett going top 10 because he doesn't necessarily have that ceiling wow we do we do leave it to Houston man lovey Smith coming in here and just doing things big off the top I don't even know what the props were for this guy to go number three but Derek Stingley junior the cornerback out of LSU has gone at pick number three to the Houston Texans lovey Smith already come in we know he loves his defensive he loves his defensive sets and loves his defensive guys that he can trust and Derek Stingley was a guy who people were talking about it as being kind of like that shut down corner I don't I believe this guy didn't allow a touchdown when he was on the field it wasn't it wasn't catching steam because all of these other things were coming to fruition but now the draft has kind of changed on the Ted Brandon I was going to throw it to you to kind of talk about the Houston Texans in general but what what are your initial thoughts of this pick and kind of what what Houston is doing as a franchise going forward I don't know what they're doing but now this is a good pick I started to see this mocked up a little bit more and more and I mean if you if you read as many pieces as you can you're bound to find like some link of some player to some team but I did see this one more and more as we got up closer to the draft but Houston just they're they're such an outlier with their their win total this year three and a half it's it's you know it's it is what it is and while whilst things going to help them this year it's it's obviously sort of a rebuilding situation no matter what they could have tried to protect protect Davis Mills went off ends of tackle but with a team that needs everything you can't really go wrong and I think for some of these teams like the goal is just to have have some of these players be relevant for a few years because if you if you're picking these guys at the top of the draft and they're not on your team and you know four years it didn't do any good no matter how good they are so you got to build that culture up Davis Mills I think a lot of people like what they saw from him last year but I do have interest in their over three and a half wins it's kind of hard to go under that I have them projected out as about a 4.2 win team so I think that once once we can get into some some win totals at least look at maybe that over three and a half yeah I like that a lot and definitely it's always fun to get actions on these totals now that we have switched to a 17 game season right so I'm sure that's affecting the win total projections as well as the New York Jets are on the clock and they have two picks in the first round they they're one of eight teams that have two picks in the first round I think we can potentially see another splash move here there's still a lot of interesting pieces on the board a lot of skill position players we know that the Jets need help at the wide receiver position but they you know also are in talks potentially with Devo Samuel as they struck out with Amari Cooper they struck out with Tyreek Hill so it's going to be interesting to see what the Jets are able to do with these picks Jessica I want to bring you in here just from a betting perspective with a guy like Stingley who is able to go three I mean somebody is you know paying off handsomely on this Fandall sportsbook for taking a shot and that guy like that were there any bets that you were looking at in in these top 10 picks that can that can equate to something or something that you monitor on your side from the betting perspective as these picks start to roll in yeah well I didn't I'm not really a futures better but I mean that honestly the Texans picking picking the cornerback at Stingley I that was not in my books as far as what I thought was going to happen honestly if I was to lay some money I would have picked a tackle I mean I liked Akim Ikwano honestly I thought that would have been the way to go however they picked who they picked now we got that we're looking at the Jets right here and I mean in my opinion I mean I don't want the Jets to get a good player but here I am you know rooting for them in a way I guess if they did I would say the smart thing to do is get a wide receiver you know give give Zach Wilson a weapon and I think Drake London would be the way to go I mean he's physical he's physical he's silky smooth for his size I mean he's a former like as a former teammate he kind of reminds me of Michael Pittman Jr he's got that vibe and you know I just feel like he can create separation and he can get he can be what they need to be able to make their team more successful no absolutely I think that yeah these wide receivers as they start to go off the board they'll be fun to talk about because it's kind of like they're like jack of all jack of all trades master of non type of thing like I feel like each wide receiver kind of offers their own their own bright spots and and I guess their own you know cons to to for a lack of a better word so it'll be fun to start seeing where these guys land the pick is in for the New York Jets went to shout out the people who are coming in to the chat Pete's takes is likes that you're a Dolphins fan Jessica even though that we spelled Dolphin a little bit a little bit differently there than I think the Miami Dolphins do but always fun to have you and Pete and then can read defense talking about Chris taskie let's see some trades yes Chris we would definitely love to see some trades here on night one shake it up that's what we're that's what we're in for and the Jets pick is in there they're celebrating so they they're definitely excited we should see we should see a decent move I don't know people don't get that excited about I mean maybe it was the highest guy on their board but I think it's going to be a skill position I just I just want to see one of the I just want to see one of these war rooms just like be so mad and angry devastated like whatever they cut to them like they're just so upset that they got this guy because they really wanted to get stingly or something I feel like you want to go ahead Brandon I feel like it's got to be some sort of defense and they'll go receiver at 10 I think they're a lock for receiver at 10 that makes a little bit more sense to me but I'm a love the call from from Jessica where they're going to get a receiver I think it's going to be a 10 so I'm leaning defense here maybe Thibodeaux but it better be it better be Drake London if they do go wide receiver either here or 10 I've seen so many Garrett Wilson mocks to the Jets which I get Garrett Wilson is great I just see Garrett Wilson as a very redundant piece to Elijah Moore whereas Drake London really really fits what the Jets need right now more so than what I think Garrett Wilson would provide I mean Garrett Wilson is phenomenal I just I would rather see a Garrett Wilson go eight to Atlanta where he can be the one and just kind of operate that way and then Drake London complimenting Elijah more really well that's a great one to punch if they were able to get Drake London I did see sauce Gardner mocked here a lot too so that it could be Gardner which they were last in number fires adjust the defense of passing that expected points metrics that would be that would be interesting because I know sauce was projected to to go to either one of these New York teams they I think the the New York Post already had the Apple sauce headline up and of course you know Gadilla you predicting the future they did get a mod Gardner there sauce Gardner and sauce as I'm looking at my cornerback notes here sauce was actually the cornerback in the NCAA last year that did not allow a touchdown or has not allowed a touchdown in his collegiate career so definitely a shutdown corner there the Jets you know coming in and being able to make not my maybe not necessarily a skill position player as we see but definitely with these two cornerbacks going off of the board early an impact player a guy who could come in and really just impact the defense there you know it's what you know what what better way to get a guy like Zach Wilson help than you know a defense on the other side of the ball that can kind of you know shut things down for them not allow points in that way Zach Wilson does have to go out and put put up a lot of points Robert Salah there being the head coach for the New York Jets makes a lot of sense for this pick how we feeling about this pick JJ I'll start with you yeah it makes a lot of sense they need help with that secondary I think looking forward to within this next pick with the Giants I think they're a lock to take an offensive tackle at this point probably go that the icky route you know they need help there you know they were they were all you know as Brandon alluded to they were in contention to get sauce with that next pick and so he's obviously not there so I think that that they're just going to go with best tackle available which is probably icky but you know they can go in other directions a couple other guys that that they could pick but you know I think this pick makes a lot of sense the Jets have that other that that number 10 which I do think they will you know they've been they've been tied to so many wide receivers this off season you know they were looking like they were gonna trade get Tyree kill or they were trying to get Tyree kill I don't know if they were in or not on Adams but they've been tied to Debo Samuel all week long really the last couple of weeks right so I do think that the Jets either are gonna try to trade for for a Debo but it sounds like the 49ers there's a report today that the 49ers turned down a package that was equivalent to what the Dolphins gave up for Tyree kill so you know we'll see I do think that the Jets if they do not trade for a wide receiver which is really Debo which would be the most relevant piece I think they'd end up just just getting a wide receiver at their next pick so it makes sense to get the guy that was in higher in demand now there's other wide receivers in this class they could they would probably feel fine with you know there's a group of four of them three of them at least that you should feel good about um and so they're probably just waiting for that at 10 definitely and often's a line just being you know one of the most impactful positions you know what what do we make of these guys kind of falling here a little bit that is that is the narrative changing are these guys just not as strong I mean Evan Neil was a guy who had been projected in the top three picks you know early on and we just we just haven't seen it come through fruition I know that those offense alignment do make a ton of difference but we we see two cornerbacks go off of the board before the offense alignment I think it I think it just speaks to how important it is to to stopping you know opposing passing offenses it's it's it's crucial if you look if you look at any game if you look at uh you know if you look at expected points or yardage just anything that's the points to efficiency teams with the better passing uh numbers typically win those games uh and you can have a good passing offense or you can try to stop those numbers you know the the the run game just I know I'm not the first to say at the run game is just not that important so I think that you can't really go wrong investing in the secondary or the offensive line I think that the read that I'm getting and again offensive line and secondary not really my my strong suits when it comes to projecting a more about the skill position players on offense but it seems like there was a there's a solid set of about four tackles but it seems like there was a little bit of a sharper drop off with the corners so I think that maybe that had something to do with it um especially with uh you know the jets uh being able to pick like here again at 10 but again I think they're pretty much locked into a receiver there I would be astonished if they don't go um receiver Houston picking again at 13 uh would give them another shot so um yeah I think I can't really go wrong uh for these teams at the at the front because they need so much perfect and let's let's talk about the Giants here as the pick is in just from an overall perspective the Giants really were were interesting last year with uh Cadarius Tony uh going off the board and you know JJ's head exploding to to a certain extent there um with them but he's already talked about being on the trading block you know just just one year removed from that and now you have the Giants coming in they got pick number five they also have pick number seven they have some needs they got a new GM they have a new head coach and Brian Dave all we they have a new defensive coordinator and wink down Martin Martindale um a lot going on with the Giants what what are we expecting from this big JJ I think they're going to go offensive line because they need that help um you know I think that they want to to get back to being able to utilize Saquon in a more relevant way hopefully he can stay healthy too um and I you know anytime there's a regime change you just have to feel you have to you have to semi-trust that the regime is an upgrade and knows what they're doing and I think that you can feel pretty good that uh Brian Dable and what he can bring to the table is going to be a little bit more you can feel a little bit more optimistic than what Joe judge was doing there um so I do think they're going to go off into tackle here um I think they should go off offensive tackle here partially because Carolina as I alluded to earlier picks next and uh you know I doubt there's a team I mean maybe there's a team that would want to trade up to Carolina at six but if they don't uh you know it's going to be tackle tackle it's my projection here and then if that happens and they'll still be able to get a guy that they would hypothetically want uh at seven so we'll see what happens I'm saying it's possible with the tackles though because there's the three big ones uh that they're guaranteed to get someone at seven if there's someone they really like true they don't necessarily have a tackle that they're in love with out of the trio they might go someone else and then go attack yeah seven excellent and and while we're waiting on the pick being uh in as Roger Goodells come up to the podium with somebody who I can only describe is uh high school debate club member uh who's very on here in very hyped up I have I don't have the volume on but the but this kid is is very excited to to get this pick in here uh the Giants are going to be making their selection again they're going to be picking at number seven and then Carolina is where things can really get interesting here as some things have been uh shaken up early um Carolina they they definitely you know desperately desperately need some offensive help um to to get on the board and then we can get back to the Giants Atlanta Falcons Seattle Seahawks and the Jets again to kind of close out the top ten uh fortnight one waits oh here we go so the pick is in it's going to be uh K Von Tibido uh from Oregon there called Brandon so Brandon Brandon Brandon with the uh the logic with the the tackles there I think that's probably what they were thinking they might they might not have had icky as the clear cut and they probably had a tear and you know as Brandon mentioned they're going to be able to get that at seven if they want to go that route so it made a lot of sense to you know it's the same it's the same logic of going uh you know if they did have the tackle that they liked picking it over Carolina and then getting sauce at at a seven right if you would have not gone for so make sense yeah Giants 30th and pressure rate last year according to pro football reference um a team that you know has needs but I'm kind of a little bit of an outlier because uh we have win totals for the the first few teams six and a half for for Jacksonville in Detroit three and a half for Houston five and a half again uh for the Jets and then seven and a half I mean it's plus 135 for the over minus 160 for the under but not necessarily in the same exact tier although they might have some quarterback situation that they got they got to figure out here uh with with Daniel Jones but again that never know what what what teams float out there to kind of get other teams off the center of what they're really trying to do but really interesting really interesting start to this with uh five straight defensive players I think we're going to see a run on tackles here though yeah five five straight defensive players we definitely have to have to go into you know stats and info to kind of see the last time that that's been done to to start off a draft but as you and JJ both alluded to Brandon you know just the times have changed with you know the offense the way the game is played and how much you know it caters to the offensive side of the ball so you need strong defenders on the other side to be able to kind of stop some of these guys so this will be an interesting pick for the Carolina Panthers uh who come in here now I believe if I'm not mistaken the Carolina Panthers only have like one pick within the top 100 I was seeing so definitely a position where they're going to have to make a splash play here because they're not going to pick again for a while what what's kind of the talks that you guys have seen around the Carolina Panthers and I wanted to pull up the the fan dual sportsbook odds as well for pick number six I think I think we're looking at tackle I know that I said that about the Giants was completely wrong but I think that that we're we're looking at tackle for Carolina um you know they could they could be going the quarterback out here which would completely shift the way that everyone's viewing this draft um you know it's it's definitely at least in question but I think that the way that they're viewing things in the way that they've talked about Sam Darnold and the way they've been linked to Baker and Jimmy Garoppolo I think that the the likeliest route for Carolina right now is that they either trade this they get tack they or they get a tackle and then if they go that route then they will make some sort of deal to get Baker to get Jimmy G and have that competition slash just use those guys as starters over Darnold this year because you have to think of it too I mean this really is a make or break year for Matt rule there's almost zero chance he's going to make it through the season let alone you know just halfway through if they are if they're not competitive in some way and I don't think that they will be right like this roster is not I mean the defense is okay enough there's there's pieces there you have pieces on the offensive side it's just that they have not figured out quarterback whatsoever and they've invested a lot in the quarterback position I keep I keep bringing this up but like the way that they went about Sam Darnold was you know like like if you compare it to what Atlanta did with Marcus Mariota or what Pittsburgh did with Mitch Trebisky the the the Steelers uh did not sign uh Mitch Trebisky for that might was all like an incentive driven deal it's not like they gave up draft capital to get him whereas Carolina was locked in to utilize Sam Darnold um and and to use him uh and that that sunk them you know there's a sunk cost involved there and so uh I they're just in a really really rough spot right now as a result of that I think it stems back from them passing on Justin Fields last year too uh not to say that Justin Fields is a lock to be great but I do think that you got to throw those darts at quarterbacks as often as you can when the when the prospect at least looks better than the prospects do this year on paper right um and so they could go quarterback here who knows but I do think that this is one of those inflection points in the draft but I think that the the safest bet to make here would be that they go with an offensive tackle like Ikky or something definitely and we we here in Chicago JJ are very happy that Carolina decided to pass on a quarterback there so we'll we'll take Justin and uh and his upside for the foreseeable future the Carolina pick is in and guys on the Fandall sports book you can still make live bets on the draft you can go just go into the Fandall sports book and log in and you guys can see the live drafts there it skips two rounds um so right now it's in round six you can bet round eight nine ten um so there's definitely some traction there we've talked a lot about Drake young Drake London possibly you know being that pick for the Jets at number ten Drake London is plus two ten right now yes he is the favorite but even getting two ten you know on the juice that's got to be favorable right right Jessica we got Garrett Wilson at 300 who people thought was going to be the first wide receiver off the board Jamison Williams at plus 340 so wide receiver uh going to the Jets is is very favorable there at the number ten pick yeah I was going to say I I think that's a great bet to put money on I mean why not this is that's what I've mentioned earlier about what the Jets need so I think plus two ten I'd say go for it and I'm excited to just see what the Panthers do right here you know just like JJ mentioned a lot of things that I would have said as well but you have definitely they're going to get a tackle here or let's you know let's let's make things crazy and they actually pick up a quarterback but in reality it's true round four is their next pick at 137 so they it's there's yeah there's just a lot of gap time in between so it's just really going to see what that rule is going to you know come down to is decision-making you know is it going to be the quarterback or are they just going to try and fix their line yeah and interesting too I see I see the people who are who are working working behind the scenes for us at FanDuel you know even getting involved in the chat with Matt rule and pick it reunited as Matt rule did recruit can you pick it to temple before he left on and left can you pick it kind of hanging out to dry that allowed him to transfer there to Pittsburgh but that yeah that would be something I mean you got it you got to go about it and do something at the quarterback position but maybe maybe you can just make an impact play here and just figure it out in outside of the draft figure it out in free agency we're getting the markets on the FanDuel sports book locked up so the pick is in with Carolina will let this kind of will let this come in and kind of you know talk about things as they stand so right now JJ as we look at the board best available when we're kind of trying to look ahead at these next couple picks like how is this shaping out in your mind with these next couple you know we got Atlanta coming up they need a lot of help but definitely need help at wide receiver they have probably one of the weakest wide receiver groups in the NFL and play in that division there in the NFC south where you know they pretty much are just building for the future I don't see them competing we got Seattle Seahawks that can do a lot and we've already talked about the jets so how are you seeing this this shape out on your end yeah I mean I think the next two picks are going to be I think we're going to go icky and then we're going to go Charles Cross probably to to the giants after that and then once you get to Atlanta you can go in a lot of different directions maybe they go like a Jermaine Johnson and they get an edge or maybe they go offense and they go wide receiver which if the Falcons go wide receiver one thing that I wouldn't be shocked is if they opt to not go like a Drake London route because Drake London is sort of a duplicative sort of asset similar to Kyle Pitts where they need someone who can probably stretch the field a little bit better than Drake London can and they might be a little bit more inclined to and not only that but the thing with Atlanta is that they're not winning this season they're not they're completely rebuilding so they could honestly take a chance on someone like Jameson Williams who's got that ACL who might not play right away I see the Panthers selection is in so we'll let we'll let Ryan announce that one while I'm talking yeah we got it we got Tackle coming off the board Akeem Iquanu going there from NC State to the Carolina Panthers definitely getting a guy in the trenches trenches to be able to shore up that offensive line so Brandon I know you'll offensive linemen you know exciting but with the wind model we can kind of talk about that a little bit how does this shape out for you and what the Carolina Panthers are doing there so the way that I actually work on my wind projections is I do leverage wind totals from sports books specifically a Fandall sports book because you know historically very very good baseline projections there and then I manually adjust offense and defense overall with the assumption that I can kind of make some improvements based on personal changes and how I how I sort of see things but actually bucket teams into different tiers and so I'm not looking to sort of get into the minutiae of is this team 30th or 31st that kind of stuff it's more buckets I still have the Carolina Panthers in the trash bucket offensively but I can manually bump that up a little bit but they're they're actually a really interesting team from a wind total perspective their wind totals five and a half at Fandall sports book the over odds minus 120 so kind of the expectation there but I rate them as a so when I run it through my simulations there about a six and a half wind team for me which might sound a little bit high but they they're in five games which I would determine to be within three points either way those are winnable games there's a kind of coin flip games they are they are six point underdogs or greater in six games which definitely is a lot but when we're talking about five and a half wins you know you can rule out six games say those aren't winnable but you know you have some coin flip games you have some reason to think that Christian McCaffrey can be relevant DJ Moore is one of my favorite players in the league because he's so impactful and eventually he's going to score a touchdown or two but honestly I think that the over on a team like the Panthers is interesting because when you can pick the way that I do things obviously as I am you know running simulations so these are game by game projections and you have games against the Saints who I'm very low on the Falcons who it's hard to be high on so you know those are some winnable games there and if the total is five and a half I think it's a pretty easy mark to go over on no definitely and this was a team last year that that made a lot I mean they were probably one of the youngest defensive units you know as of last year with the starters as they made a lot of plays in the 2021 draft to kind of make sure that they kind of showed up that defense and we know the offensive pieces have been there with Christian McCaffrey when he's healthy DJ Moore Robbie Anderson to a certain extent if we can get back to 2020 Robbie Anderson of what he was but this is a team that kind of you know they just need to kind of get things right so you show up the offensive line a little bit you hope that the defense comes back a little bit healthy and then we figure out that quarterback position and then we could be in play so I think you know getting ahead of the curve there Brandon on the win when totals there as we don't know what is happening with that quarterback position if they were to make a splash play or just a play in general I could see that market moving a little bit slightly ever so slightly on them uh let's make sure so we got the Giants pick at number seven Giants pick is in this is going to be their second one after taking uh after taking edge there so we want to make sure we know what they're yeah after taking Thibodeaux there again Brian Dable coming in here offensive minded head coach do we see an offensive pick happen with this second one yeah I think we're seeing tackle we're going to see their cross or maybe Neil uh get picked up here it just makes too much sense they fell to him it's a really good start for the Giants if they go with either one of those guys whether it's cross or Neil um because they're sort of all in that that bunched up tier that we were talking about earlier seemingly so you know it's a really really good start for them you know they're getting two really impactful positions that they needed um and you know it's it's a good start to the non Dave Gettle Menera right and in JJ in that same vein you know let's kind of talk about this from the macro sense of them not picking up Daniel Jones's fifth year option which was reported on earlier today that that wasn't going to be happening so now you're pretty much just sharing up the offense for what could potentially be for a future quarterback at stake and possibly not Daniel Jones or maybe he ends up balling out and getting franchise tacked but there is some there is some merit there for them to kind of build things in place so that when they do have a chance to bring in an offensive rookie quarterback potentially next year or somebody else they have it set in stone and they do go tackle with Evan Neil out of Alabama the pick was in Evan Neil is there he's coming up he's going to do the handshake or hug with Roger Cattel and we can touch on that tackle so Charlie Cross still on the board but Evan Neil does go there at number seven if you guys had action on Evan Neil uh to to go into the top to go in the top 10 you're you're feeling good about that just missed the top five pick but uh but definitely some action there to be had on the fan bill sports book as picks are still rolling in we still have number available as Drake London his odds have now moved to minus 125 so just you know still the favorite but the juice is moving ever so slightly still Garrett Garrett Wilson they're sitting at three to one and Jameson Williams now at six to one as we wait for pick number eight for the Atlanta Falcons to potentially be in if they don't move on to it let's talk about Evan Neil and kind of him landing there uh Brandon I'll bring you in here with another tackle going off the board to the Giants who you know people basically outside the New York you know they have no no reason to pay attention to this team right but I think that there's so many changes across the front with the you know new head coach new GM new defense coordinator and potential you know these rookies coming in so there's going to be a new look to the New York Giants here who play in you know probably one of the most competitive uh divisions in all of football where you see a new person be the champion each year uh what do you what's your outlook on the New York Giants this far yeah I mean it's a good start uh for them with their draft with with Thibodeau and Neil both of those guys have peak positions of number one overall at NFL mock draft database you know a lot of these guys are going to have that but I think any Giants fan out there has to feel pretty good um investing where they did with Edge rusher and offensive tackle talked about that um you know you want to get to the quarterback or stop the quarterback defensively and you want to protect your quarterback offensively of course they need to have a quarterback and that's the you know the conversation that will have you know over the next you know months in a year um for them specifically but they were the worst adjusted pass offense in football according to number fires metrics last year um that this is going to help them uh 30th in pressure rate last year uh defensively so you know Thibodeau is going to help them so it's a good situation uh for the Giants now I have them with a really easy schedule um I have them with the easiest schedule in football uh it's I kind of rate them as like a it's going to sound it's going to sound weird because they're win total seven and a half but I have them rated as about a four and a half to five win team but whenever you run it through um with their actual schedule um they're closer to a six and a half win team so I'm still on the under there so I'm about 63% likely to hit the under the juice is you know minus 160 on the under so that's kind of the expectation anyway so again talent wise skill wise they're maybe gonna be able to to overperform because of what the schedule is uh based on how I view things but eight three-point games either way like coin flip games there that could lead to a lot of volatility so it's probably not a number that I would love but I still would have a hard time thinking this is an eight-win team and if I'm thinking of how this bet would lose uh for the Giants to win eight games I think if I had to pick I'd probably bet the under there fair enough no that the under with the Giants I think you know you can all get it's hard to take an over with with the Giants even with the new looks so I think we can get a resounding yes on that and taking the under make sure you guys are on the fan bill sports book to look up all these future odds is as the field has been set there for the conference and division winners player prop season awards already so make sure you guys are getting action there we got the Atlanta Falcons pick is in this is going to be an interesting one um to see what what they do and kind of uh if we if we see them take an offensive weapon uh to kind of you know run with Marcus Mariota who's right now projected to be the day one starter I'm not I'm not sure what what will happen in the months to come but Atlanta is picking in we got Arthur Smith there uh in year two he's kind of trying to make it his own they shipped Matt Ryan off to the off to the Colts and they just you know went out and got a playmaker and Kyle Pitts last year before and you know before that drafting cornerback AJ Terrell so they've definitely you know made some moves to that are offensive or offense and defensive pieces for years to come so with the pick being in at number eight Jessica what what would you expect to see here from from the Atlanta Falcons is I think they could be the first one to kind of shake up the wide receiver landscape yeah that's definitely what I'm seeing or at least that's what they should be doing give Mariota another weapon to work with besides Kyle Pitts so Drake London Jameson Williams I like them both uh let's just let's get the wide receivers going I'm excited to see it it's time for one of them to be picked um absolutely yeah so I think definitely from um just a team advantage is it's exactly what they need to be able to win some games absolutely no the Falcons pick is in uh Roger Goodell is coming up to the podium and it is wide receiver Drake London JJ I'm gonna let you come in because this was the one person that you said they should not be going after uh because of his wide receiver profile so why don't you talk to us about his wide receiver profile and kind of what this could mean uh for the Falcons and for Drake London yeah look I I think you could easily make the argument that Drake London is the best wide receiver in this class I mean he has the best age adjusted profile uh production profile among all wide receivers in the class he had a breakout age as a freshman you know he's 18 when he broke out uh and he played alongside Amun Rasen Brown and Michael Pittman and even after Michael Pittman went to the NFL and he was a year younger than Amun Rasen Brown and a lot of statistical statistical categories he played better on a per game basis than Amun Rasen Brown and we saw how good Amun Rasen Brown was for the Lions last year so it's a trio of wide receivers where you got a question why they weren't just better in general but uh you know it's a trio of wide receivers that uh are very good and Drake London was competing with them at a very young age the comps in my model uh the guys that he compares to most favorably in my model from a production standpoint a size standpoint uh the two guys that really popped out were T Higgins and Mike Evans uh that that's what you're getting with this with with a guy like London you know there's some concern over the fact that he had a lot of his production on contested catches um but you can see him walking on stage right now he's a monster I mean the guy is massive uh he's he's an athlete plays basketball as well so it's one of those instances where you can see the contested catch I got to get the basketball reference in there because you got to do that for everyone yeah everyone yeah that's you got you got to have that you have to yeah uh but you know but the thing is when you have an athletic profile like that he's not necessarily a burner but when you have the athletic profile like that and you can see this right now on your television I'm sure they're showing highlights whatever station you're watching but uh you know when you have that athleticism that ability um you know you feel a little bit better about his doing that against NFL corners and then having those contested catches against NFL corners I can tell you right now in my prospect model he's gonna rank as the best wide receiver in this class he's a 98th percentile wide receiver in my model which is a very very good right I mean that's like a top 15-ish since 2011 kind of wide receiver um so he's he's gonna be my wide receiver one Drake London is uh not only is he gonna walk in to probably 18 to 20 to 21 maybe even 22 percent of the team's targets this season uh but you're you're looking at a scenario where they're gonna likely try to upgrade the quarterback position next year and he's gonna get hopefully an upgrade a quarterback so it's a great landing spot for a wide receiver you know I have these like massive massive towers to throw to and Kyle Pitts and Drake London which was the reason why I said maybe they don't go this route but Drake London is a beast man I mean my my model like just straight up my model liked Drake London the most in this class pre draft it's really hard analytically for a model to not love them the most pre draft um but looking at it post drafts as the wide receiver won he's he's now you know we needed some clarification within this from today to see who the wide receiver one if there would be a consensus wide receiver one for fantasy purposes and I think we got it I think it's Drake London yeah and Drake London I just had to go back and check because uh I was looking at it I made a selection for him to be the first wide receiver selected he was plus 250 earlier today and for him to go at the number eight pick he was plus 300 there was a lot of traction brewing with the Lana Falcons being linked to Drake London so if you you know are on top of these these beats and on top of these narratives and just just putting a little action on it you know it's hard to trust everything that's going to come to fruition but we have seen a lot of things being talked about and them come to fruition on night one already you know we we try to parse through what is smoke and what is what is actually gonna gonna you know come to fruition but it's always fun uh Brandon as we kind of you know the first wide receiver off the board so we can talk about you know DFS perspective we can talk about season long I mean even the dynasty guys as I'm looking at my Twitter feed here with the dynasty column and sweet that going on you know people are already talking about what this means for his stock and rookie drafts so what's your what's your outlook on Drake London in general yeah it's gonna feel like I'm copying JJ's notes here but T Higgins is my number one comp in my prospect model for Drake London uh tied with Michael Floyd A.J. Green Michael Pittman Brian Edwards Mike Evans number six I mean that's a pretty good list there and the thing from from London is that we saw him used in different ways at USC despite that big body you know he's got the contested catches but he's not just a deep threat so he's got a little bit of versatility which I think is really gonna come into come into play and as JJ was also thrown out how his target shares 18 and then he kind of ramped it up 19 20 21 22 percent I was like I was going through looking at who I could bump down and it's like I can bump down anyone by Kyle Pitt and set the market share I got up to 22 percent uh for for London and I feel like that's maybe a little conservative even uh if they really go the uh you know Tyler Locke DK Metcalf route um and just sort of give half the targets to Kyle Pitts um in Drake London so I mean I think that he's in a great spot to produce right away uh if Jim were here he would definitely be talking up Marcus Mariota and his ability to get the ball to Kyle Pitts and Drake London so um I think there are gonna be a lot of weeks in DFS where Drake London somewhere in like that low 6000 range maybe a little bit of a shootout situation where we're in on Drake London is one of the better sort of mid range plays from a high volume standpoint in DFS yeah I also I also have a projection forum that I threw in there I was I was sort of anticipating them going wide receivers so I had it sort of baked in already but I have him at if I have him at a 20% target share he's he's looking at a hundred and 21 about 121 targets about 79 receptions 814 yards 5-ish touchdowns I mean he's looking like a wide receiver for in fantasy football which I know sounds bad like that just seems bad on paper but realistically you know for a rookie wide receiver from a projection standpoint uh and the fact that the wide receiver position just has so many players I mean it's very very deep when you look at other wide receivers sort of like that are ranked around that from a projection standpoint you're getting into guys like a you know Gabe Davis even potentially I mean he's a little bit higher but Cadarius Tony or Marquis Brown I mean there's there's just a lot of good talent that are just a little bit above that a tier two above where Drake London would would necessarily be obviously this is just in the moment sort of projection and things can change and will change but it's I'm very very bullish on everything Drake London my fear is that everyone's going to be that way and so you might not get the the right kind of value for him because look let's let's be honest here Atlanta's offense is not strong right like Marcus Mariota is I don't mind Marcus Mariota I think that he's a fine enough replacement level quarterback but they're likely to be fairly run heavy with Mariota and then also you know they're just not going to score them any touchdowns so from a passing touchdown standpoint there's just not that much to go around within this offense so you know London projecting for five maybe six touchdowns despite his size as you're seeing on your screen right now you know it seems low but I think it's realistic just given the offensive situation yeah and again I mean again it feels like I'm copying JJ's notes here on Drake London but I had him at 128 targets 920 yards but 4.8 touchdowns because whenever you're building up projections it's always important to build something to a baseline so you set your team expectations make sure you're not actually projecting a team for way too many touchdowns but you do that you kind of divvy things up the way that touchdowns are normally distributed and you know you can manually bump up someone like the Kyle Pitts who's due for some touchdown progression obviously or Drake London because they're bigger bodies but realistically only so many touchdowns to go around and what you're looking at the difference of like a wide receiver three to a wide receiver two is not necessarily the yardage and in the volume it's who's scoring those touchdowns that kind of wiggle up the ranks so again just after what JJ said I think it's really easy to be excited about Drake London but not necessarily to the point that we're projecting him to be like this year's Jermart Chase just because of the offense No that's fair and this is going to be one to monitor for rookie drafts especially for those people who play Dynasty or get after it with the rookie drafts because people are going to overhype Drake London with him just being the first wide receiver out the board but there's still so many fantastic landing spots that are left that some of these elite enough wide receivers elite for this draft class can go that can make a viable impact so that's going to be fun to get after we do have the Seattle Seahawks their pick was in they did pick Charlie Cross Charles Cross there from Mississippi State so they are Seattle Seahawks are taking their time they're going to whatever they decide to do at the quarterback position will come to fruition but they are going to show up the trenches here a little bit first as they do take Charlie Cross and now we have kind of a run on tackles where it was the defensive players that were going early JJ, how do you feel about this pick? Makes a lot of sense you know they're not needing to really I don't think they needed to force the quarterback position in this draft at nine I just don't think it was necessary so I like the pick you know that you can always use tackles you can always use offensive linemen so yeah he's part of that tier that we kept talking about earlier so they they got him and he fell to him and now we're going to the Jets you know I mentioned earlier I don't I hope it's not Garrett Wilson because I don't think Garrett Wilson's the right fit alongside Elijah Moran I'm a huge Elijah Mor fan I think I think Jameson Williams makes a ton of sense a 10 if they want to go that route because realistically you know they aren't probably going to be that competitive this year they still have Corey Davis there that can be a two you know alongside Elijah Moran and so you know they don't need Jameson Williams necessarily contribute right away and then imagine him just being that spark maybe five games into the season or so and you know they could really stretch the field I mean talk about separation you have Elijah Moran Jameson Williams there that could be that could be pretty awesome so I kind of hope that they go the Jameson Williams route here at 10 because I again I just I think there's it's just you don't get enough of that like length necessarily with Garrett Wilson and that that acceleration with Garrett Wilson like you would with A. Jameson Williams but I mean Garrett Wilson still very very good I'm just thinking more in terms of just general fit No, absolutely and and we we will have the pick coming soon as the jets are on the clock there'll be a lot to be made of that pick I wanted to Jessica I'll bring you in just real quick as we have the sports book going strong here and so we got you know just looking forward we got position 12 in position 13 I wanted to kind of talk about position 13 because I do think we could see a potential wide receiver end up there with the Houston Texans pick that could you know be helpful for Davis Mills and company there wide receiver to go there is plus 250 that is the fourth highest odds they got edge again at plus 170 offense lineman plus 250 and then safety as well so basically you know offense lineman safety or wide receiver you're getting the same odds there long shed at cornerback at cornerback and quarterback at six to one and six and a half to one any liens there that you would have Jessica for this team as I've seen I mean wide receiver is one of their needs so there is some juice there with the 250 yeah I mean I it like just like you said it's what they need so if they're going to go was the option for George Pickens up there so yeah right now we just have positions just positions yeah with with the market how it is but yeah George Pickens would have been an amazing value pick when you're talking about the odds getting him at 13 because he was projected to go later on in the first round if not day two yeah definitely I like him and just I think you know it's so hard to man it's there's so many wide receivers here that I'm like well it's you know who they gonna pick but then things can happen but Jahan Dotson is kind of another guy that I kind of I really like I think he actually may be one of the he has one of the best hands out there as far as one of the options for a wide receiver and I know he's a little bit further down he's probably going to be picked a little bit later but he's someone that stood out to me as a wide receiver that you could get late in the game like he picks he was something that I really yeah I just have to say that would probably be just what I'd say from a betting perspective it's so you know it's this is something I've I'm way more of a games and sides and totals kind of girl right I'll let me hear futures on who you who we should pick is in the draft but it's what the Texans need and they're gonna so either way they're gonna they should be good in picking a wide receiver absolutely and they're gonna have to you know their their options just dwindled by one they're going to have to take Garrett Wilson off of their big board as he does go number 10 to the New York Jets so the New York Jets do get a wide receiver we'll see if they're still in the Debo Samuel running but that probably is unlikely with them using the pick here but Garrett Wilson comes in from Ohio State definitely going to be an impact player as of early in JJ before I bring you in I want Brandon I wanted you to touch on this just I was waiting to see if they would pick a wide receiver because I want you to talk about this what this means for Zach Wilson I mean they are investing in this kid getting him pieces getting him weapons they have a solid young core there in New York that they can you know compete with with the you know Miami Dolphins and Patriots being in that same division they're trying to build their own build their own unit there so what's your outlook for Garrett Wilson and maybe in turn for Zach Wilson as we look into season longs later this year yeah so for Garrett Wilson his top comp in my model is Jerry Judy which is kind of high praise but it also probably depends on how you view Jerry Judy because Jerry Judy very speedy goes you know kind of a little bit all or nothing I think part of that has been quarterback play related but I think Wilson's going to have a a little bit a little bit of that himself I trust them we're in the the same hoodie in these videos this dude just threw me off that's your that's your fan dual attire it's a comfy hoodie but yeah I think that I'm really interested to hear what JJ has to say about Wilson because I had a hard time really picking my favorite receiver from the class and I know that with with London going early he's going to get as many targets as he can really handle so that's that's not quite what I'm getting at it's more of a talent perspective situation but for me with with Wilson there's a lot to like and I think that he's going to make a lot of impact plays he does rank out pretty highly for me I'm excited to go and they're in there and project him out within this offense gonna paint me a little bit to bump down Elijah Moore if I have to but hopefully there's enough I can bump down otherwise but yeah for me with Wilson I'm maybe not his biggest fan so Ryan any thoughts for you on the quarterback for the Jets right now and what you project for him this year yes I will I will talk about that I do want to say that we did have a trade so for those of you in chat who are asking for trades we do have a trade New Orleans has moved up to the number 11 pick they have traded with the Washington commanders to do so I don't see the the details of that pick but it will now be Saints picking at 11 then Vikings Texans and in Baltimore to follow this has to be this has to be James and Williams right like this this you have to think this is James and Williams because they're jumping ahead of the Vikings who have been tied to Williams Williams is getting so much love it's a they they he's a great like how good of a compliment is that to Michael Thomas right like right James and Williams makes a ton of sense at this pick I can't imagine they traded up to get Chris Alave who you know could play a very similar role but you know trading with the commanders the commanders were also a team that could have gone wide receiver in the you know I get that 11 spots that's good for for Terry McLauren for now but I I just you have to think that the Saints are probably infatuated a team is infatuated with James and Williams is upside and they know that Minnesota is drafting next and they they might get him but back to Garrett Wilson I liked Garrett Wilson a lot he was my pre-draft wide receiver one because of projected draft capital and I think he's one of the safest bets in this class that's really the main reason why I had in my wide receiver one post draft I'm going to flip right now I have my wide receiver two in Drake London at wide receiver one because they were you know in the same tier very close pre-draft anyway and Drake London looks better in my model but Garrett Wilson right now 97.5% percentile in my model you know if you look at his production profile across the board really really strong the other thing with Garrett Wilson is he played with Chris Olave Jackson Smith in the Jigba and he also played he also outplayed Jameson Williams when Jameson Williams was at Ohio State so what we could see here is Garrett Wilson if they do I mean I have no idea if they're going Jameson Williams here but we could see Garrett Wilson go right before Jameson Williams in this actual NFL draft when Jameson Williams couldn't beat him out at Ohio State which is part of the reason why he transferred to Alabama because he didn't want to play with three first round picks which is totally understandable right right so Garrett Wilson that looks better in my model because of that competition so that's another reason why you know he's in that 97th to 98th percentile I did make a projection for him it did ding Elijah Moore a little bit couple percentage points from a target share perspective but you know he can still get in that 22-ish range and still be fine enough but this does hurt Elijah Moore I mean we shouldn't sell it a different way I mean it's not a good thing for Elijah Moore because Garrett Wilson is just as good of a prospect at least in my model as Elijah Moore is and so you know Wilson though it came out that he was wider in the wide receiver like 50 to 60 range 57 was his actual wide receiver rank in projections I have him at 715 yards and four touchdowns this year you know a lot of these wide receivers unless they they go to a place like Green Bay where it's wide open maybe Kansas City as well probably not going to like be wide receiver threes or better so it's not a terrible terrible projection for Wilson given the fact that he's playing on a Jets team that you know struggled at times last year with Zach Wilson so at least they're giving Zach Wilson a piece you know another weapon that he can utilize there I love Garrett Wilson as a player question the fit a little bit but you know it's fine I mean both of these guys both Elijah Moore and Garrett Wilson can play everywhere that's the other thing with Garrett Wilson is that in 2020 he played a lot in the slot like he primarily played as a slot guy and then in 2021 he moved more to the outside really really productive in the slot they do have Braxton Barrios there but I could see them utilizing I could see them utilizing Garrett Wilson right away in the slot with Corey Davis and Elijah Moore playing the perimeter so that's another reason why he could see a little bit more volume just in general because he's going to see some software coverage right just out of curiosity JJ season long market shares aren't you don't copy and paste those week to week for DFS but where did you end up with the target share split between Moore Davis and Wilson because I think you could kind of spin it a lot of different ways so I think that might be enlightening to see how you how you landed there yeah so you know the way that I sort of view rookie target shares is that a baseline like later first maybe second round rookie probably around the 15% range just based on history but if it's this high of a pick then he's likely good there's talent there the model says he's talented so you can bump that up a little bit right and then you have to look at the competition within that offense and you know I'm not someone who is someone who you know talks about the too many miles defeat argument very often but there is a ceiling component to the too many miles defeat argument like if you had a you had a team with Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase and I'm about to just say the LSU team from a few years ago but if you have a team with with Justin Jefferson Terry Marshall Tyree Kill and just like loaded with weapons there are too many miles defeat like not all of them can have a 25% target share so you know you have to look at it from that perspective as well we don't know if Garrett Wilson is going to hit or not so you know it's sort of just playing off of base historical baselines for rookies and then sort of going up and down based on how talented they are where they get drafted all that kind of stuff I settled at 17.5% for Garrett Wilson here in year one Elijah Moore still at 21% Corey Davis at 15% so you know there I do think we're going to see a lot of 20 or a lot of 11 personnel with those three on the field it's a really good trio let's be honest like that's a it's a strong trio of wide receivers Elijah Moore a lot of promise but let's see let's see if the Sands get Jamies and Williams here I really I think it just makes too much sense that they don't I'm a terrible analyst yeah I think I think we're going to get the pick in this will be and this will be an interesting one I got I got to remember that Twitter likes to spoil things for you before they actually come to fruition so I haven't seen it official official but they'll put it up and Brandon to answer your question ever so quickly as the picks coming in I do think that I will be interested in Zach Wilson and some season long leagues and maybe even basketball leagues you know to take late if we can you know get ahead of that if the overall mindset about him is yeah that he has weapons and everybody takes his weapons but they don't want to take the quarterback interesting stacks that you could make with Zach Wilson and in basketball drafts as we get to that point and also would love taking him as a you know kind of a streamer late round quarterback hashtag to to do for season long drafts yeah I'm ready to ready to tilt guessing wrong with Elijah Moore and Garrett Wilson in my stacks this year absolutely so the so we are we're waiting for the pick to begin we got Tony Gonzalez up there with Austin Echler and they got some chiefs and in chargers antics it looks like but they will be talking about the pick who's coming in I've seen a couple people talking about you know possibly Malik but I don't think that's a pick there's another wide receiver that's being talked about with this pick other than Jameson Williams so this this will be a fun one and I'm ready to break it down with you guys as we have this time guys I just wanted to remind you we got some fun contests that are going along I think our producer Andrew can throw up that QR code for you guys if you scan that QR code you can get after entering in for an NFL jersey of your choice you can also enter in to get $100 in FanDuel credits so make sure you guys are taking advantage of that either by the QR code hitting the description on the YouTube chat or just following along with us on Twitter as we are talking about that guys it's the day one live stream here at FanDuel powered by FanDuel and Number Fire we appreciate you guys coming in make sure you get your questions and we want to make sure we're touching on things as they happen with your team so if you got comments if you got questions we're here to take those and with the pick being in JJ you ready for this it's wide receiver Chris Olave so two Ohio State boys that's crazy man that's crazy like I like I love Chris Olave I think Chris Olave is incredibly talented he can stretch the field he's one of the better players down the field in this class super fast as well I'm just surprised that it wasn't Jamison Williams only because Jamison Williams has been gaining so much steam over the last couple of weeks few weeks but Chris Olave is very very good Matt Harmon of Reception Perception and over on Yahoo he charts wide receivers he had Chris Olave as the best route runner in this class and his production profile is great the only ding that I would give Chris Olave analytically is that he's not an early declare wide receiver he did play his fourth four years at Ohio State and there is signal analytically to wide receivers leaving early and being better fantasy assets you know when they do leave early and so you know again you look at this Ohio State team two other first round wide receivers that he was playing with he did play ahead of Jamison Williams but he was a year older so he was a senior to him you know but overall really good profile super fast can get down the field great route runner very very solid player you know do I think that he has like insane an insane ceiling from a fantasy perspective from a dynasty angle I think he's more of a wide receiver too and from a ceiling perspective I think Garro Wilson is sort of the same way to be honest with you whereas Drake London has that like true alpha ability I don't know if that's going to necessarily be there for Chris Olave but I mentioned it before this pick was made that they're probably trading up for wide receiver because Minnesota is next and they needed a guy who could really stretch the field competently across from and with Michael Thomas and they got that they got that guy it just didn't it just wasn't Jamison Williams so I think is the better separator down the field and speed you know he's faster than Chris Olave but Chris Olave is a very very very good wide receiver and it'll be interesting to kind of look at this from from years to come because I know that he you know we had these wide receivers who were just all just just in talks right I mean you got Garrett Wilson Olave and Jamison Williams all having ties to Ohio State I think that all these guys were you know going to be going around in the same vicinity and and potentially you know we have think somebody in chat yeah Mr. Scampers who's coming at it on YouTube talking about the Saints mostly either wanted either OSU wide out traded up after Wilson went this could have been just a a nerves thing for them as they had the 16 pick they did pick again at 19 but you got teams like the Houston Texans you got the Philadelphia Eagles selecting before them maybe they thought that those guys weren't going to be there but I think they for sure you know love love Chris Olave enough to be able to give up two picks in the top 100 three picks in the top 120 of this draft to be able to get him and they probably weren't high on Jamison to begin with because he probably would have been there at their 16 pick I'm sure they're talking about this on television I don't have minds muted but Chris Olave also in Ohio State and Ohio State guy playing with Michael Thomas also in Ohio State guys we got we got that connection as well so I'm sure that Michael Thomas will be pleased but yeah I mean I also plugged it into this into my model and I'm kind of shocked by this but Chris Olave actually is slightly better because of this draft capital than Garrett Wilson in my model which I didn't think was going to happen because I didn't you know everything works within draft capital within this model and then it you know looks at production and looks at all these other factors Garrett Wilson was the number one wide receiver going into this draft because of projected draft capital and Chris Olave was protected to go you know 20th overall him going one spot away from Garrett Wilson means the model just objectively liked Chris Olave basically better than Garrett Wilson without draft capital with this draft capital in now it's just clear that Chris that it just barely I mean they're both 97 98th percentile wide receivers but he did get an edge over Garrett Wilson and I'm I'm honestly kind of shocked by that yeah I do what stops for me now too nice yeah I I do want to touch on touch on that real quickly as we move on with the draft pick number 12 is in it is not going to the Minnesota Vikings it is going to the Detroit Lions who have moved up they traded the number 12 pick and a second round pick the number 46 pick or I'm sorry they they received the number 12 and a second round the number 46 pick they traded their pick number 32 to move up and others to move up here to draft at the number 12 spots of the Detroit Lions making headway we already have two draft day trades on night one before we even get to pick 13 so if you took the over bet on whatever the trades were I'm sure it was set up maybe two and a half that's probably going to hit as we already have two already even one and a half you're feeling pretty good about that the line selection is in I did want to talk about the wide receivers just in general and how we rank them but let's see what this pick ends up being here as the Detroit Lions are on the clock Roger Goodell is up there reading guys appreciate you guys on on YouTube who are who are coming in with us here in the chat make sure you get your questions in the Lions made the pick and they'd go after Jameson Williams at number 12 they trade up to get him a guy who is going to fit in nicely with what the Detroit Lions want to do they're going to have him and a Monro same brown and they're going to have TJ Hawkinson and the quarterbacks have to be biting at the chops to get a chance to be able to play with this group now DeAndre Swift in the backfield I mean the Detroit Lions are making some noise they're making us here in Chicago feel pretty uneasy so with Jameson Williams going so let's we're going to have an overall conversation we're going to talk about Jameson Williams being here to the Detroit Lions but I also want to talk about with this run on wide receivers where are we ranking them when it comes to these landing spots because we do you know we got Drake London who went who went first but as we kind of alluded to these landing spots we're going to be making a difference I mean Jameson Williams coming to this situation with Detroit is going to be definitely exciting you got Olavé with the Saints regardless of how you feel about him if Michael Thomas isn't healthy or he's kind of on the fritz with the with the franchise in general he could just be peppered with targets from James Winston so I am curious to get your thoughts on Jameson Jameson Williams Jameson Williams as a whole and then also with these wide receivers JJ I'll start with you Yeah look you know I think that the the wide receiver run was semi-predicted you know you had a lot of edge guys that went and these tackles that went in the top 10 and then all of a sudden you hit a lot of teams that needed wide receiver and then we're seeing teams trade up to get them but and a lot of capable wide receivers you know right here the other thing I want to point out is what I talked about at the start of the stream with the wide receiver position where there are really really solid wide outs in this class it's a fairly flat class I said you know I think there's like eight of them that I would go where I feel really good about them and then you start to get into some question marks but you know it could also be that you know there's there's a lot of confounding factors here where you have what we've seen with like Devante Adams Tyree Kill and teams not wanting to pay up for them right and they want to have that fifth year option that flexibility for wide receivers on their rookie deal that's one reason but also I do think that there's a drop-off from like these guys that have true true like wide receiver one ceiling not from a fantasy perspective but from like a real football perspective in this class and in this draft where probably ends around like Johan Dotson Skymore in that area George Pickens in that area but after you get you know after that you know you get into like Christian Watson where there's just a lot of question marks about Christian Watson you know you get into these other wide receivers David Bell where there's a ton of question marks about David Bell so I think that it's a combination of you know it is a flat class but there's a lot there is a clear cut you know top eight or so wide receivers I think that teams want to get in on and then also they want to have these wide receivers on their rookie deal and have that fifth year option I think that's the main reason we're seeing the wide receivers go where they're going right now Brandon what's it you about these wide receivers and how are you ranking them yourself when we talk about these landing spots and not only that but I mean Ohio State going back to back to back on wide receivers in some way shape or form with the connection here is absolutely incredible so talk to us Brandon about what you're seeing with these wide receivers in general yeah so if I were like a film analyst I think I would have I think I would put Jameson Williams number one he doesn't rate out there for me with my with my prospect model I think he's going to be I got I got my projections I'm working on off to plug in the prospect model but I have him in that tier and I think the the sort of the theme this year is just tears right and right we're seeing where certain teams had certain players and I maybe didn't have it ranked quite this way myself when I drake landed a little bit lower but it is what it is and I think the real situation here for me is that I am good with a lot of these landing spots aside from maybe Wilson for the jets just from a volume standpoint it's going to be hard to project him for a ton of volume so for me I think I would probably for for 2022 if I'm looking at this from a redraft or like a DFS standpoint the guys I'm probably going to have most exposure to out of these receivers here going to be London and then when when Williams Jameson Williams comes back sounds like he's trending pretty quickly which speaks to how quickly how far how far we've come with ACO injuries once he's back on the field I'm going to have a hard time staying away from that so I'm really high on Williams here once he's healthy it's just kind of hard to knock any of these really I'm kind of good with all of them no that that's fair I mean these yeah these guys are going to be this is going to be the talk right now of the draft as it stands on what to do with these wide receivers and the draft capital that they received so so early on and as we you know we started off with with no skill position players to kind of kick off the draft that's all we've been seeing as of late as the pick number 13 is in for the Philadelphia Eagles and they come in with you know a lot at stake here they've moved up here they need to they need to make a splash play here they need wide receiver help desperately as well I mean you look at their wide receiver room outside of Devontae Smith I mean they cannot roll out Jalen Raker who is a failed first round wide receiver pick Quest Watkins they need some help desperately but they also you know they they they have a lot of interesting with things that they can do with their pick so that that'll be interesting to talk about the Philadelphia Eagles look and look low key a huge winner from this draft already from a fantasy perspective is Devontae Smith a huge winner because the Eagles now you know I it seems like there was a top four from like a real football from a draft capital standpoint and then you know Traylon Birx was getting a lot of loving fantasy circles because of his ceiling and his potential ceiling which is understandable and I think Birx is going to go today you know maybe late teens into the 20s but the fact that we just had that wide receiver run means that Philly is likely not I think they just moved up to get this pick right just a little bit they're probably going to get Jordan Davis right because Baltimore would be next and I would assume that's the direction that they're going but you know with the Eagles not being able to get one of those four wide receivers I bet you if Jamison Williams on the board Philly would have gotten them that's my my guess I was hoping for that so then we have like Alabama North with with her Smith yeah with Devontae and Jamison Williams but you know this is huge for Devontae Smith I mean the Eagles were in the market for a wide receiver they've been tied to some of the trades that have gone down for these stud wide receivers and they're not going to walk away from the first round at least right now with one of those guys one of those like stud guys that would just potentially supplant Devontae Smith as the wide receiver one or at least be very close to him now you're looking at a guy like Traylon Berks you're looking at Jehan Dotson who you know I like I like Dotson a lot I just don't think he profiles as a one so it's it's almost a a really I mean it is a very very good situation for Devontae Smith stemming from this from a fantasy perspective yeah this is also interesting as the wide receiver group is is kind of dwindling for some of these wide receiver needy teams as of late you know the the Green Bay Packers you know what what are they going to do are they going to leave leave another draft with a high profile pick not adding help to what Aaron Rodgers the 50 million dollar man is going to be making sending away you know Devontae Adams and even Marcus about the scaling to a certain extent they got you know well over 225 vacated targets that are going to be missing there and I don't think you can fill them with Randall Cobb and Alan Lazard and company here's the really interesting thing that's going on right now because of these wide receiver picks like we're not you know these these top four guys none of them fell to the 20s right right what we're probably potentially going to see is now George Pickens who has some off the field stuff that people are concerned about maybe Pickens goes in the late first now Johan Dotson who seemed like more I think is over unders close to like 30 right because the chiefs were picking around there we could even see Skymore going the first round now right so all of a sudden from a dynasty standpoint a rookie draft standpoint and Brandon and I love us some Skymore but from a dynasty standpoint and from even a redraft standpoint you're getting a situation where you're just going to have more usable rookie wide receivers and fantasy because of these teams training up because of these teams getting these wide receivers where they did which is good if you had you know a late first let's say in rookie drafts because now you're going to get someone potentially very very good yes and anybody who's holding a ticket right now for the over on wide receivers in the first round is feeling very good about themselves as I know that that was over five and a half even at six and a half I think you know we can even see that really really come to fruition the pick is in for the Eagles here at Pick number 13 guys if you're falling along on the Fandall sports book as well too you can still make selections for pick number 16 pick number 17 pick number 18 and it doesn't necessarily mean the team that currently is slotted for that has to make that pick it could be just picking the position if it goes in that in that slot you will win that bet and the selection is in it is the defensive nose tackle there Jordan Davis from Georgia going to the Philadelphia Eagles so the Philadelphia Eagles do get a trench pick here as Jordan Davis they trade up to do so and Brandon is already laughing so Brandon the floor is yours to talk about this pick and kind of what it means to you it just felt like such a typical Baltimore Ravens pick at 14 so it seemed kind of inevitable but yeah I mean Philadelphia making some things happen shifting things around making it a little bit hard to track my draft picks we get the picks in like way later as to what actually shifted so kind of all over the place with that regard but yeah pretty interesting team here eight and a half wins is their total but the juice minus 130 on the over so kind of a lot to be expected here or I mean if a nine wins is a lot for a team but you know kind of a lot in that regard for the Eagles and again once again I kind of have them with a little bit of a week schedule in the NFC East personally a lot of coin flip games with eight nine games where they're favored just one game where I would have them considered as a six point underdog so there's a lot of winnable games I think they're going to be a pretty volatile team so one of those teams that could maybe you know go I guess six and 11 now still not used to adding up to 17 there but you know one of those teams that could kind of fall a few games off of that total but definitely could spike up if Jalen Hertz gets things going nice and yeah we'll wait for Baltimore to make a number to make their pick at number 14 if they do choose to keep this pick which I think that they will and will be interested to see what they make okay so we're pretty much to the halfway point almost the halfway point here of the of the draft and there they'll definitely be some some fun story lines to talk about as we get into you know some of the some of the playoff contending teams with you know the Chargers and the Steelers and the Packers and Cowboys and Kansas City later on so a lot of fun stuff to still break down guys if you're still rocking along with us and haven't done so go ahead and hit that like button it does it does a lot for us there when you hit that like button and you subscribe to the channel as well we got a lot of live content that comes out every week for you guys so we want to make sure that we have you covered on all sports but especially NFL's we're talking day one of the NFL draft here with you guys as we wait for this pick to come in just want to get some overall thoughts on what's standing out to us from the draft here we've had a couple trades couple people moving back and still we haven't even I don't think we got to the spots where we could see people trading up to kind of get in and make their pick on what it is so a little bit of the madness here to start early what are the overall thoughts here of this draft right now that wasn't expected to be exciting I guess so to speak but it has been nothing but exciting to start it off I want to see a quarterback go I'm curious where that's going to how that's going to unfold because you have teams upcoming here in Houston who maybe goes that direction Washington doubtful they go in that direction but they could and then New Orleans with that pick right before the Steelers pick so I think that I think we would all agree that if Malik Willis is on the board for Pittsburgh it's like a very high likelihood that he ends up going there but you know you have three or so teams at least two teams that could very easily go quarterback and there were rumors about like Kenny Pickett going to Houston and he's fallen to Houston here maybe that ends up happening it'll be really interesting yeah I was getting really curious because assuming Pickett is not the first quarterback to go we're probably looking at Malik Willis at 20 to Pittsburgh and then it you know Kenny Pickett goes from being rumored at six overall to Carolina to you know possibly you know out of the first round which sounds a little bit strange and so some of the mocks some of the articles some of the podcasts I was ingesting before this show kind of made a point of you know if if we get Willis is the QB1 at 20 overall what does that mean for Kenny Pickett what does that mean for all of the other options and does that necessarily mean that Kenny Pickett is the QB2 if you fell this far past teams like Carolina past teams like Houston does he fall maybe to QB3 QB4 I think that's that's the thing that's really jumping out to me now that we went you know defense wide defense offensive tackle wide receiver it's what does this mean for really Kenny Pickett in particular because he could go as soon as 15 or maybe outside the first round so I think that's really fascinating to watch for here the other thing too that if you looked at a lot of mocks they were they were throwing basically like the leftover quarterback to the Lions with the last pick in the in the first round but they just traded that away right they gave that up in that trade to go up and get Jameson Williams so now that's Minnesota's another wide receiver could go off the board of Minnesota there honestly but I think there's a far far less likelihood that we just get that random dart to just and maybe Minnesota leverages that and they trade back again right because it's like the Lamar Jackson situation where you know teams want to get in that first round to have that rookie deal and that fifth year option for their quarterback and so you know it's a very valuable piece and if a guy like Pickett or even Matt Corral or whoever is still available a team might be it might be enticed to trade up and get in the back into the first round yeah and the Raven selection is in and they do go with safety so defense of course they go with Kyle Hamilton out of Notre Dame so Kyle Hamilton being the first safety off the board who you know is is a ballhawking and was great in coverage there for the fighting Irish you know we can always expect the Baltimore Ravens you know taking a defensive player in the draft that's something that we can always bank on here so with Kyle Hamilton going here safety we're gonna have Houston on the clock next but Brandon talk to me sorry sorry I just got I saw Twitter I opened Twitter for a second field Yates at field Yates everyone knows field yes triple triple check the handle he tweeted trade the Ravens have traded wide receiver Marquise Brown to the Cardinals Wow wow yeah okay yeah all right that's something Rashad Bateman season baby that is all the Rashad Bateman that you can get I mean his his stock just went his stock just went way up yeah let's let's check the handle here and it is it is that field Yates that is him unless he got hacked that that is happening all right so a lot to digest here let's let's let's talk about Kyle Hamilton just for a second if we can and then let's talk about the overall landscape of this pick of this trade that was just made for I guess Christian Kirk's replacement in Arizona but Kyle Hamilton Brandon you got any thoughts here on the safety going to to the Ravens yes I mean if I'm looking at defense here I'm looking at wind totals basically yeah they were a beatable past defense for sure as we saw with with the Joe Burrow game but the nine and a half the nine and a half wins is pretty steep and there's actually minus 130 odds in the over for Baltimore there so I kind of disagree with that personally with what might with what my data is saying another one of those teams that probably could go a lot of different ways they have seven games that I consider coin flip or field goal games those aren't guaranteed wins I have them just one game where they're favored by at least six and actually two where they should be six point underdogs so not necessarily the best schedule really interested to see how this trade shakes out if they're going to lose Marquis Brown who you know generally a pretty efficient target so I think maybe losing Marquis Brown will bump them down but depending on how things go maybe a little bit of little bit of volatility for the Ravens here not not only that but remember Kyler Murray Marquis Brown played college ball together they're back reunited yeah this is fun this is fun I love Jim would be going nuts with all these narratives oh yeah he loves this stuff yeah but the storyline seemed to just lend themselves to it I mean you know where did these guys play Pee Wee ball like who did they grow up with like what coaches are they connected to what coaches are there what college coach do they have that's connected to the NFL coach that they could land in I mean it just they always write itself but that that's going to be an interesting one I know we the Rashad Bateman season is definitely upon us but this has to be helpful for Mark Andrews too in Baltimore who I mean is you know arguably the number one target for Lamar Jackson once he's healthy and I don't see I mean Rashad Bateman's going to get his but I mean Mark Andrews without having to worry about Hollywood Brown as well is just going to you know see his target share a skyrocket yeah easily the tight end one in fantasy football after this you know obviously he had his huge season last year looks like they got a third and oh okay so so Baltimore gets the 23rd overall pick and Arizona gets Marquis Brown in a third round pick pick 100 overall so you have to think that Baltimore is looking wide receiver with that pick and again just to reiterate what we've been saying like we've been you know everyone's mocking Johan Dotson to the late first this could be a Johan Dotson spot to stretch the field and just replace Marquis Brown and play a similar role for him here goes Houston all right they did not get Kenny Pickett they got Kenyon Green from Texas A&M all righty so they they go with the guard you can tell you can tell when the new coaches right take over so we got Lovey Smith you know bringing in his back in the day ways like we're going to win with defense we're going to win with a stout you know a lineup front we got we got our five running backs in the backfield that we're going to you know unleash and we're just going to we're going to ground and pound baby we're going to we're going to we're going to stop teams from scoring and we're not going to put up that many points we'll win games 13 to 10 but no Kenyon Green there the guard at from Texas A&M does go at pick number 15 it can only get it can only go up from ranking 30 second and adjusted rush defense and in yards before contact per attempt so I think a guard investment and again you know investing in the offensive line in the first round doesn't really feel that exciting but it does show a tangible impact on increasing offensive efficiency and offensive efficiency that's what matters that's what wins games definitely and this was a guy who played pretty much every position on the offensive line as I'm seeing here outside of center played a little bit at left tackle left guard right tackle right guard last year for Texas A&M the Washington commanders as they traded back they probably knew what they were doing they wasted no time their pick is in so we'll wait for Roger Goodell to kind of come up to the board what are we thinking here for the Washington commanders I know they were they were tied to wide receiver potentially they could you know have that pick as well as they were originally going to be picking at pick 11 they could they were tied to safety with with Kyle Hamilton potentially the land in Collins replacement I believe so we got a lot to talk about with Washington I do have 16 I did get some action on wide receiver going at this pick when Washington did trade back Jessica you thinking we can see a wide receiver go here or is that is that run on on hiatus until we get later on and maybe the the picks 20 and beyond I do I mean I had him picking Chris Alave here but obviously he's taken so let's go pickings or Birx even Skye Moore's possibility but I feel like it's it's what they need to do yes get it yeah they they need the I mean they need to I see wide receiver to be able to make those plays and that's to be able to win games honestly definitely and I mean Carson once can you can use all the help right I mean this guy's going to go out there he needs the targets he needs just just other than F1 and potentially Logan Thomas they'll utilize him but yeah throwing throwing in another solid wide receiver to go along with this group would be nice I want to bring in Mr. Scampers here who's coming in on YouTube and he's talking about the thoughts on on Raven's wide receiver versus running back need it could have been a little bit delayed but talking about Dobbins and Edwards starting on starting the season on the PUP as we saw Dobbins got late heading into the or got hurt heading into the year last season Gus Edwards as well was a favorable best ball pick and he got hurt early on so weren't able to see them but does do the Baltimore Ravens are they just you know saying that hey we know what we have in Lamar we got these kids who are coming back we're going to get them healthy and we're you know maybe you know what Dobbins back maybe we don't see Lamar rush as much as he's kind of you know been hurt banged up the past couple of years and they might want to focus might want to focus in on that passing so Rashad Bateman could definitely benefit from that Mark Andrews benefits from that what is the offensive outlook that we can see with the Baltimore Ravens with this move being made I mean look I I think that they if you look at last year they were still a run heavy team I mean they still ranked like 25th in the league in pass rate I think that like people seem to think that they were like really past heavy but you could also argue that almost everything went in a direction for them where they had to be past heavy right like like the running backs all went down their secondary was all banged up like it made sense that they would have to be a more past heavy team last year and they were still not very past heavy I don't think that's going to drastically change as long as Greg Roman and Lamar Jackson are there I think that they're going to run a similar offense and they should like like it's it's always been very strange to me that people would would say that they need to throw the ball more with Lamar Jackson when a Lamar Jackson rush is arguably the most valuable play in all of football and the entire NFL like that that play is the most valuable thing that anyone any human being on earth can do right so there doesn't make that much sense for them to just like take that away or half it or even get it to a 75% of what it's been as long as you can stay healthy of course and you stayed relatively healthy all things considered so I do think that they're going to still be a run heavy team and I do also think that they're a candidate to draft a day two running back this Baltimore team because you know J.K. Domins coming back from injury Gus Edwards coming back from injury they show that they didn't have any depth last season and I think that there's a chance that they value that position just given the offense that they're operating in they value it a little bit more than what we would think or what someone else would think just looking at their depth chart so I do think they're going to still be a fairly run heavy team but the reason why this all shifts and this equation shifts to Rashad Bateman to benefit a guy like Rashad Bateman is from a target share standpoint when you're on a run heavy offense you need to capture a larger target share in set offense I think they're still going to they have to take wide receivers in this draft Baltimore does but the thing is that now Rashad Bateman is competing against a potential rookie maybe even not a first round rookie who knows what they do but competing against that versus Marquis Brown he's going to see a higher target share in the offense that's exactly what he needs to be able to be a wide receiver to infancy football I don't think it's going to be easy for him to ever be a wide receiver one as long as Lamar Jackson's there there's going to be a cap ceiling but yes this is huge huge news for Rashad Bateman excellent and we got the commander's selection in and it is wide receiver it is Jahan Dox Doxson and Jessica was talking about Jahan Doxson going up in this early he had been he had been pinned you know later on in the 20s but you know Washington seeing the wide receivers go early they probably felt like they were going to be able to move back get a couple you know picks later on the draft and still be able to get a guy who was high enough on their draft board before there potentially could be another one at another run at wide receiver Jessica you talked about liking Jahan Doxson there bring you in to kind of just briefly talk about you know kind of what this means for his outlook and what it can mean for the commander's in general yeah I mean like I mentioned earlier I I honestly thought he was going a little bit later and I think he was going to be this high up but it just makes me I guess reassuring in the fact that you know he was kind of like that sneaky play like he's that sneaky that outlier in a way like no wasn't that high on many people's list but he has he's a strong athletic foundation he and he is a great he's a great player so I feel like he's going to be able to add a lot of you know he's going to be able to help out this team and I'm actually excited that he actually got picked a little higher than I was expecting excellent no this is this is an interesting one Jahan Doxson comes out of Penn State here you know yards after the catchability we got his comp video up there for you guys who are watching along with us on the stream what do you make of this JJ like what what what is this say about the wide receiver position which we we thought was going to be the talk of the night because of the way these guys and the team needs and everything kind of all falling into place for these guys but now we're looking at a situation like you said where we could just see some day two wide receivers coming in on day one just because of the rate they're going well I have another another thing to announce here Ryan that I that Adam Schefter just tweeted that the titans are planning to trade wide receiver AJ Brown to the Eagles oh my gosh this is like what is happening right now is it does it it just doesn't get any better than no no remember remember how I said that that Devonte Smith was a draft day winner yeah that just that just went to the to the grapple that's that's fun what is that the shortest live hype for you JJ like yeah man that was that was short live for sure but I just I mean I'm just like beyond shocked by some of these moves not only the the Johan Dotson selection I think was just early I mean look there's nothing wrong Johan Dotson I mean he has probably some of the best hands in this class he's a smaller wide receiver but he plays pretty big you know he had great college production or at least like above average college production not an early declares that's someone of a red flag he's a 94th percentile wide receiver in my model now when pre draft he was 88th percentile because of projected draft capital so Johan Dotson in a in a pretty good spot you know going to to Washington where he's going to be the number two to Terry McLauren he's the wide receiver 66th in projections right now just because the situation is not that great etc etc but you know not a terrible terrible spot for him and he looks pretty good in the model overall but this AJ Brown thing I mean I'm not putting trades into projections yet because when we're talking like Marquis Brown and AJ Brown and it's just a lot to think about and to consider and figure out but it is it is pretty I'm just like shocked like it's it's just I don't know what else there like AJ Brown's a top five talent at wide receiver in the league and you know he just got got dealt to Philadelphia and he's going from one run heavy annoying team to another run heavy annoying team yeah I didn't want to spoil that that was my first thought I was like we're gonna that's that's tough tough scene but this is this is one of those moves where it is it's great from a football perspective like it's making you know Jerry Jones is unhappy and the Washington commanders are unhappy and I guess the Giants to a certain extent but this is a great football move you know you give you give Hertz there some help immediately and you know can make a splash play in the NFC East or least when these guys you know they trade they trade off of who went to the division we did have a guard go at pick 17 and now Tennessee is on the clock and their pick is already in at pick 18 Justin Herbert this will this will be interesting well I looked at my screen and it was showing the chargers and then it said that there was a trade and I was like another trade but it was the A.J. Brown trade this is the the Titans now being on the clock for A.J. Brown essentially because they got a bird also as Diana has reported which so this is kind of crazy too when you're talking about the wide receiver market because they just so the Eagles gave up 18 and a third round pick to be able to get A.J. Brown I wasn't sure what what happened with the Tyree Kill and in Miami trade but then you also have you know 23 essentially going from the Cardinals to to the Ravens for Marquis Brown like there's just interesting trades and the way that the wide receivers are kind of viewed by these different franchises I mean that's that's incredible I think that this makes the the the Cardinals trade look horrible right like yeah because the the A.J. Brown's a better wide receiver than Marquis Brown and he's a more dynamic player and that's only a five spot difference they're both going to need to be paid right and so this just seems like the better deal overall fill it for Philadelphia but again I mean I just I feel like I can't even think straight right now the things that are going down I mean like I was surprised by Chris Alave going getting traded up for and going 11th overall that was like the the least crazy thing that's happened tonight at the wider server version I mean it's just yeah very very nice that's a foregone that's a foregone conclusion yeah like like Chris Alave it was like not even that crazy like it made sense and it was the right fit it was just I thought he was going to go a little bit later but now we got Johan Dotson as a mid first round pick we got Marquis Brown going to Arizona and A.J. Brown going to Philadelphia I mean this is why you don't got to watch Days of Our Lives you got the NFL man this honestly might lead to and I was going to joke about this at the top of the show and I felt like it was mean spirited but is Green Bay going to have any first round and buy receivers to take or are they going to skip on first round receivers again I'm telling you guys when Skymore goes in the first round it's a pants off moment for this show I mean it's this is going to be amazing because of because of the demand of the position I love it I'll bring in also imagine imagine A.J. Brown going to the Packers Oh my gosh like make that happen yeah like why is it going to be Philly I mean by the way Jalen Hertz stock up right at least for this season with Devontae Smith and A.J. Brown and then who knows what's going to happen after this season but you know hope hopefully the hope is that I would I would be buying Devontae Smith very very low right now in dynasty because there's it's not a hundred percent that Jalen Hertz is going to be there after this year or he's going to be the long-term answer he can still thrive as a number two across from A.J. Brown I mean they can still both be relevant and then on top of that if they do get like a pocket pastor a more traditional pocket pastor and that's more volume to go around in that offense so you know I do think that Devontae Smith took a went from taking zero hit to a pretty big hit with this deal but you know look longer term than just this season this season is going to be probably pretty rough for potentially even both wider sewers from a fantasy standpoint and what what is the outlook in general on Jalen Hertz just as it stands for the year 2022 you bring in A.J. Brown they're going to have they're going to have these running backs you know gain well and Sanders and and Scott or whomever else they're going to be rolling out there plus with Devontae plus with Dallas Goddard like can we can we trust Jalen Hertz to kind of offer us that upside that we've been waiting for or is it just going to be some of the same old same old that we get from him yeah I mean I think that he's a firm QB1 and fantasy he was last year obviously the only reason why you can't say he's like you know top three or four there's just a lot of competition at the position but if you're looking at like Joe Burrow versus Jalen Hertz I'm going Jalen Hertz because he has the rushing component he's he's got A.J. Brown now Dallas Goddard's there Devontae Smith I mean they have good weapons in Philadelphia they probably still need a little bit of depth of wide receiver you know Quetz Watkins and Jalen Rager aren't going to really do it for you but I do think that that that Jalen Hertz is a firm QB1 over the pocket passers at least and then you know once you get into that range you're talking like you know you're getting closer to like Lamar Jackson and Kyler and all that and I think that he could arguably just be in that tier he's not he's just he's got to develop as a passer right like he he's gotten better literally every single season that he's played football dating back to college he's gotten better every year he was better from year one to year two and you just need to see that development continue and if it does then Philadelphia's in a very very good spot I'm gonna do this as a lead in as we have the Titans pick at number 18 that's in and I'm gonna bring in Brian Garrett from Facebook who as a cheese fan he says I'm living but I believe it's I'm loving all the wide receivers off the board we need defense we can find a wide receiver late in the draft well Brian I don't know what wide receivers may be left for you as the Titans go wide receiver after trading their stud wide receiver they select Traylon Burks from Arkansas who he goes in the at the 18th selection and so we just have receivers going crazy in the in the top 20 this is a yes JJ this is a rookie draft your your rookie draft has been done for you you want to know what's crazy about this is that they just traded AJ Brown for the guy who who has been comped as a ceiling comp to AJ Brown Traylon Burks he's a bulldozer you know you're gonna see him line up I mean they they manufacture a ton of touches for him in college at Arkansas you know he's he's a beastly build he can he can run guys over and and he did he did do very well we just didn't see him do that much against press coverage but he did do well against press coverage on a per route basis but he played a lot of slot in college so he's very raw we don't know if he's gonna be able to play the perimeter right away