So, in order to understand how the Z-Model works, we're going to break this series down into actions and targets. Actions are what happens when you click. Targets are where those actions get applied. For example, if action is set to bevel and target is set to single poly, when we left click, it will only bevel that single polygon. But if you change target to all polygons, then it will apply a bevel to every polygon. That's all the target is. If you change target again to front face and all, then only the polygons that are facing the camera will be affected. All polygons.  So if your action is mask, it's going to mask everything. If your action is crease, it's going to crease everything. If you have creases on your object already and you want to remove them, but you just don't want to spend time manually finding them, just set action to uncrease all polygons and it will uncrease everything automatically in no time. All quads. When target is set to quads, that just means your actions will only be applied to polygons with four edges. If you're beveling, only the quads get beveled. If you're creasing, only the quads get creased. All triangles. It's really the exact same as all quads, except for triangles. Any action you set is only going to affect faces with three sides. With masking, creasing, beveling, Q mesh, you name it. Any time you want to target triangles, this is what you use. Behind. Basically, when target is set to behind, it will only apply the action to things that are behind the face that you have selected. So if we click here, it will affect everything, because everything is behind this face. But if we click over here, you will notice that it only affects the faces behind the face that I clicked. So the faces that were in front of it aren't going to get affected. And it depends on the orientation of the face you clicked, not the camera. So if we click here, it'll affect these, but if we click there, it'll affect those. So if you want to tell ZBrush, hey, only mask the points behind this face, just do it like this, then bam, you're done. Behind and polygroup. This is exactly the same thing as behind, except instead of applying the actions to everything that is behind the face you start with, it only applies actions to things behind the face you start with that are also the same color as the polygroup you start with. So here you can see I'm clicking on a pink polygroup. So only the stuff behind that is also a pink polygroup is going to be affected. That's all it means. It's the same thing with the addition of a polygroup color filter. So same thing, if we have a green polygroup here and here and here and target is set to behind and polygroup, if we left click here, even though all these are the same color green polygroup, it only applies the action to the ones that are also behind. So that's how that works. Brush radius. So it's real simple. It just means it'll apply whatever action you picked to whatever area your brush is over. You can see how big the radius is with the red circle. So if we increase the radius, that's where the actions get applied. If we shrink the radius, the actions will only be applied to that smaller area.  But if you click on a face next to an edge, it will apply the action to all faces touching that edge. So this is what it looks like in the middle of a surface. This is what it looks like when you apply it to something on the edge facing front all. This literally just means anything that is facing the camera. So if you have a two sided object and the camera can see one side of it, it's going to apply the actions to only the faces the camera can see. This is really good if you ever want to just mask something that is facing you, but you don't want to mask the faces on the other side and you want to do it in a single click. Facing front island. This is the exact same thing as face in front all, except it only applies to faces that are attached to the object you left clicked. You see how this top part is not connected to the main object? That is because it is separate, which ZBrush considers to be an island. So even though it has faces that are facing the camera, it's not part of the island that I clicked on. So nothing's going to happen to it. Conversely, if we left click on the island, all the faces on the front of it will have actions applied, but since it's not connected to the big one, nothing is going to happen down there. Flat and polygroup. This just means that it will apply the action to every face that is the same color and angle as the one that you left clicked. So if we go to this side, you see a blue polygroup. If we left click anywhere here, every face that is both blue and facing the same angle as the one I clicked is going to be affected and the polygroups don't have to be touching each other. If we go over here to this green side, you'll see we have a green area here and one green polygon up here. And even though they're not connected, once we pick one and left click, you'll see all of them be affected. And that is because they are both green and they are both facing the exact same angle, flat border. Anytime you have a flat surface and you want to apply some type of action to the border of that face, this is the target to use. So if we click on this face, the actions only get applied to the border.  It's a little easier to see what it's trying to do if you set your action to mask, but basically, yeah, that's what it does. Flat inner. It is literally just the opposite of flat border. If you click on a flat surface, it'll apply the action to everything except the border. Doesn't care about polygroups, just the face angles. Here's what it looks like with Bevel. Here's what it looks like with mask. Flat Island. This just applies actions to every face that is both connected and oriented in the same direction as the one you clicked. It's like if flat inner and flat outer were on at the same time. And it does not care about polygroups. You'll see here, even with a bunch of different polygroups, it only cares about face orientation and if they're connected in front. This is literally the opposite of behind.  So if we click here, it's going to get this whole side.   In front and polygroup. This is the exact same thing as in front with an additional polygroup constraint.  So if we start with blue, the only faces that are in front of this one that are also blue are going to be activated. If we click on this face here, even though it's not connected, all the faces that are the same color are going to be activated. So just remember, everything that is the same color and in front of the direction the polygon is facing are going to have the action applied. Island. This just means it'll apply actions to every face that is attached to the object that you clicked. So here you see we have two separate objects. There's a small object floating on the top and the main body at the bottom. Because they're separated, they're treated as two different islands. So if I left click the bottom, that's where the actions get applied. If I left click the top, then that is where the actions get applied instead. Poly corners. This just applies actions to the corners of whatever polygon you click. Polygroup all. This just applies your action to every polygon that is the same color as the one you left click. No matter the angle, no matter the island, no matter front or back or edge or inner, any polygroup that is the same color is going to get affected. That's all it means. Polygroup border. This just applies your action to the outside of any polygroup you left click. They don't have to be facing the same angle. As long as the colors are connected, this target will work. Polygroup inner. This is literally the opposite of polygroup border. If there's a polygroup and you left click on it, it will only apply your action to the inside of that polygroup. And it's not going to care about angles, only if the faces are connected. Polygroup island. This is a combination of polygroup inner with polygroup border. So when you left click on a polygon, every face that is the same color is going to be affected by your action. Remember, they have to be connected just because they're close or on the same side. Doesn't mean they're connected. They have to be touching each other to be considered part of the same island. Polyloop. Polyloop is just a string of connected polygons. So if we have action set to extrude and target is set to polyloops, when you hover your mouse over a face, you will notice that there will be a little line that points in a direction. If you left click, it will apply your action to whatever polyloop is in that direction. So you can see the line pointed to the side here. That means it's going to apply the action horizontally. Likewise, if you see the line pointing up, if we left click now, it's going to apply the action vertically instead. So that's what polyloops are. Polyloop and flat. This is the exact same thing as normal polyloops. But instead of going all the way around, your actions only get applied on the flat side that you start with. So here's normal polyloop and here is flat polyloop. Polyloop and polygroup. This is the exact same thing as polyloop with a polygroup constraint. So it's going to apply your action to a polyloop, but only to faces that are the same color as the one you click. So you can see here we have a cube. It's got two red faces and two green faces. So if we left click on red, it's going to extrude a loop, but the loop stops when there's no more red faces. Same thing if we go to the green side. If we left click, it's going to extrude a loop, but only as long as there are green faces. So hope that helps. And as always, I hope you have a fantastic day and I'll see you around.


Just maybe one more minute. I know that there was a potential vote that Dave wanted to propose related to releasing the audits, just like automatically, if there are no high-risk items. So we'll wait maybe 30 more seconds and then we'll go. Yeah, it was just a procedure change. It's not a really major debatable thing, I don't think. So we could do a vote over email if we don't get quorum today. It's no big deal. So I guess let's go ahead and get started. Welcome everyone to the February 21st TSC meeting. Hopefully you've all had a chance to read the antitrust policy notice to ensure that we comply with that. As always, everyone is welcome in the hyperledger community. Everyone is free to participate and speak up in this form. So please feel free to send a message in the chat. We prefer to use the TSC channel in the rocket chat if you have any comments, or just unmute yourself and speak up in this form. Looks like we have one announcement to get started related to the internship program, so I'll pass that over to Solana for that call. Hello, yes. So we only have one proposal up so far. We were hoping that maybe we'll get some last minute ones in today before tomorrow's deadline, but we're also thinking about extending the deadline. I'd really like to encourage everyone to consider talking, to talk to their project about submitting a proposal, because this is a really good way to both increase your contribution, the types of contributions you get, as well as we're going to be working a lot on upping the diversity of these interns, and so that becomes another way to also work on that as well. Dave, did you want to talk a little bit about being a mentor and what all you did and how it went for you? Yeah, I'd be happy to. So last year I mentored a grad student working on what now is the Umbra Lab. It was really great. I just, it really is a not very heavy lift, I guess is the point I'm trying to get to here, because I had an initial meeting with all the candidates, I picked a candidate, and then it just came down to having a regular weekly meeting with the intern, and mostly just email back and forth. A lot of times my role as a mentor was just getting the intern plugged into the right people in the community. So being a mentor for one of these interns is really just about knowing who knows what and helping them get involved in the chat and mailing lists and things like that. So I don't know, I really just saw my role as trying to bring them up as an open source developer, and I'm pretty sure all of you on this call are good at that. So I highly encourage any of you, and all of you to volunteer as a mentor. I think it's a fun experience actually. So Chris and I were having discussions internally with their colleagues, and pretty confident we'll have at least one proposal if not two. I have two right now in the works, one with an opposite university, and one with myself actually. So interesting. And if y'all need any help scoping out those projects, feel free to contact the community architects team at community-architects-hyperledger.org, and we can help you in regards to the scoping of that, as well as Min. But I know sometimes with Min she's not as technical as we are, but if you need any help in regards to that, please contact one of us so that we can help you work on it and get it through. Yeah, we do have a great post-mortem doc from last year that I think did a good job capturing a lot of the lessons learned. So if you, you know, need more guidance there. Can you add that link to the announcement? Yes, I'll have to find it later. It was pre-new weeky, so it's probably somewhere around here. All right, yeah, I appreciate it. On this, Silas here, I was talking to Casey, our CEO, and it's a really busy time for us at the moment because we've just launched our actual paid-for product. So we're quite concerned about yet more distractions. However, I did have an idea for a project, which was to see if we could get someone to run all of the public Ethereum chain through Borough, something I've wanted to do for a while, and I'm pretty sure he's going to break stuff. I would definitely be, and I was wondering about whether to put in an application for the closing date for an intern. Casey was not so keen unless we could get some help from like Hyperledger, like maybe a tech ambassador or stuff. I think the issue that we have is unlike some other projects that really like, it's members of our team. We do have Fimbert, who is around, but he's also got a full-time job. So I caught the end of what Dave was saying there about it not being such a heavy lift, which pushes me in the other way a little bit. But yeah, I don't know what the capacity for a bit of official help from someone from Hyperledger maybe is, or just something I could take to Casey and have him say, look, this will only take a kind of small, constant factor on the time I'm already spending doing Borough stuff. The case I'd make is one, we're putting $5,000 into this for each mentee, so it's not a volunteer position for the mentee, which should, in optimistic cases, lead to actual stuff getting created. That's moderated, of course, with the fact that somebody's first time working on a, probably the first time working on a Hyperledger-related project, so it might not be as cost-effective as 5K spent on a maintainer. But then secondly, this does seem to be a good way to grow new contributors to a project. That's something we certainly need on Borough. That'd be the case I'd make to Casey if you were on the phone. Yeah, okay. Let me run that back and I'll say if we do go for it, I'll try and put it in next today. Okay. I know it's hard to find the time to do this, but if you'd craft the, because it's also up to you to craft what the mentee would be working on, and so hopefully you'd be able to craft it in such a way that it would be maximal impact for Borough. Low hanging fruit, better docks, something that you've been wanting to get around to, but just haven't, right, that sort of thing. Does it make sense to just extend it by a week at this point, and we'll be more proactive in getting things done? That's kind of what I wanted to propose to the group. I just wanted to make sure that if we did do it, that we would be getting a lot more things in before doing it because it does slow men down. That would help us a lot on the high hyperlature indieside. We're in the middle of the sovereign agent connected on. I know most people are worried about the testing process and then their live calls for the deadline this Friday, so I think we can get... Okay, I'll let her know. All right, great. Thanks, everyone. Okay, so moving on to the quarterly reports, we're going to start with the technical working from China. As a reminder, folks, it looks like the majority of the TSE has already read these overviews, so I request that whoever is going to present this just provide a very short update or bring up any questions that they may have to the hyperlature community or to the TSE itself. So do we have anyone on from the technical working group China? Yeah, let me share my screen. Yeah, and we actually already have it. We have it up here. So if you want, you can just go ahead and speak to it. Okay, our global health is very good. And in these cultures, we focused on four areas, the first one is development and innovation, the second one is international and education. I do see some comments on education. Actually, the project is we translate fabric document into Chinese. So far, the progress is very good. I will update later. And the third one is collaboration and scenarios. The last one is in optimization. And we do have issues because we have very long public holidays and people get a family together and do early planning. So we have life activities. And we learned from our community and a lot of volunteers that language and time zone are major barriers for them to contribute codes to attend meetings and surprise activities. Since our last report was on October 25th, so this report is from right on. And we hold our regular meeting every two weeks. And because of the spring festival, we cancelled one session. And by average, we have more than 20 participants. And we do encourage some people to attend our bootcamp in Hong Kong. I think this is really great. I don't mean to cut you off, but I think most of the folks have read this and you did a great job getting this in on time. So I just wanted to maybe rather than read through the rest of the document, see if there were any issues that you wanted to raise to the TSC or if any folks on the call had any questions about the TWGC that they would like to ask. I do have a question. Okay. When you talk about I-18N, is that only for documentation or you're also talking about messages in the code that you are looking at, separation of user-oriented messages into separate files so that it can enable translation later on? Yeah, for this project, so far, we just translate fabric documents. Okay. So that's an interesting thing for us here from TSC, whether this is something that, from whether it's each project or we want to have some kind of uniform development here that would recommend all the projects to enable I-18N at some point proactively by separating now the messages from our code so that it enable technical groups such as the loop in China to be able to translate into Chinese easily without having to mess around with the code later on. I totally agree with that being and I think it's a good idea to label both the code and even the for the documentation. Okay, thanks, Bao Hua. Go on, Zhenhua. Sorry, I just said my comment. Okay. But we think some local issues like language we make, we think we can improve education on or prepare some materials for beginners to learn like learning material. I had one question as well and I was wondering if there were any project proposals that looked like they were going to be coming sort of out of the TWGC. So I know that I think we had seen the fabric desktop and I'm not sure if that was a TWGC item, but I was just curious if there are any updates on maybe new projects that would be coming out of this group. No, so far no. Okay, great. Thank you. Well, David, maybe I can add some more information. There's no tough project till now, but there are definitely some like improvement to existing projects. For example, we have people who proposed into the OSR project to implement the China standard of the cryptography and also we have developers who proposed to improve the fabric SDK for node and Python. Okay, that's great. And maybe a follow up on that or is there any feedback in the TWGC about how obviously the internationalization is one piece? Is there any other feedback on how we can make it easier for contributors in China? Yeah, Zhenhua, any comments? Yeah, because we change a lot and we see a lot of people talk about technical issues, but for them they are not easy to read our English document. So we translate it into Chinese and I do think some learning materials are helpful for them. In last year, we have evaluated several platforms for the translation, including the transfects. And finally, those contributors decided to use the GitHub and also the community with each other with the WeChat group. So that's the current way, yeah. I have a question. Is there a way to do some kind of a plugin into Rocket Chat that translates from English to Chinese and Chinese to English? Is there such a tool available? And if so, it would be great because in many other contexts, you can actually translate directly inside the integrated translators in many chat applications. Yes, we can translate between different languages in WeChat. Yeah, I mean, there might be some plugins or tools available. I was just, this is a question more for the Linux Foundation people and the people who administer the Rocket Chat. Vipin, I think the better solution would be something similar to what went on with the Telegram stuff, which was right a bot that links WeChat groups with Rocket Chat groups and vice versa. And then we could maybe leverage the translation in WeChat, but anyway, there's a lot of little wrinkles to this, Vipin. We should probably take it offline. Yeah, and I think maybe one other stopgap there would be maybe just trying to create like geo-specific channels in Rocket Chat for the projects. So maybe we could have like an indie China channel or something like that. Maybe that would be a useful feature for the various projects to adopt. Although this sounds like a great project for an intern over the summer. All right. Thank you very much, Shenhua. Are there any other questions on about the TWGC? No, so far, thank you. Okay. Thanks very much for filling out this update and I appreciate you presenting that. So we'll now move on to an update on Hyperledger Cello. Do we have anyone from Hyperledger Cello on to present the proposal? And as I mentioned before, please, if you could just touch on the couple highlights or any questions that you'd like to raise to the TSD versus reading through the entire update. Looks like Hytow had originally submitted this. All right. Is there anyone else from the Cello community that would like to speak to the progress with this project? Well, David, maybe I can ping Hytow to go along. Yeah, he's here. Let me ping him. Okay, great. I guess while you do that, it looks like there were some questions down here at the bottom. It looks like some of them were addressed, which was mainly about how Cello will work as Kubernetes support migrate sort of natively into these projects. And it looks like the plan is for Cello to support the native integrations of Kubernetes with each of the projects. Yeah, we do have discussed that inside the project. And there are comments that think Kubernetes might be very popular now and even in the future. And so we think we can support it, but considered for the roadmap, currently we are still, at the same time, we are still trying to support both the Docker and the VM and besides the Kubernetes way. All right, fantastic. Were there any other questions about the Cello project on the call before we move on? Hytow is online. Okay. Oh, yes, sorry. I'm late. Oh, no worries, Hytow. Just wanted to see if there were, we've roughly discussed the Cello updates and just wanted to see if there are any issues with the TSE or any high impact issues you'd like to raise with Cello. Okay, okay. So, I will report the quarter updates for the Cello. Actually, this course starts so far, we mainly to discuss and design the new architect for the Cello. The consortium governance model. And in the weekly meeting with Cello, there are many contributors involved in the discussion and design. Yeah. And there are no new releases in this quarter. The latest release version is 0.9 and we mainly support the Kubernetes department for the February network, but not all realized still cannot use SDK calling the new dashboard. And in the past quarter, we released 0.9. And so, you know, the main feature is the Kubernetes agent and we improved the user experience for the user dashboard. And the current plans is mainly around the consortium governance model. And we will rewrite the code architecture and separate the core code from the operator dashboard as an API service. So, in the future, we can unify the web framework for the operator and the user dashboard. And then, because we will use the Cello mode, instead of the crypto configure for the February network, so we will support February 1.4 and the later version. And we will discard the all the February version support. The priority was a matrix monitor for the February network is quite slow and maybe I think it will be supported in the future version, maybe not in the 1.0 version. Yeah. All right. Great. This is very useful. Did you have any questions for the TSE members or anything that was not captured here in the written update that you'd like to discuss? Okay. All right. Thank you. Very useful. Appreciate you providing the update and also coming in here to answer any questions. Thanks again. So, with that, I will pass it back to Solona to discuss some of our topics, including the APAC boot camp and the contributor summit. Okay. Hello. Solona here. So, the APAC boot camp is shaping up. One of the things that I am still looking for is representatives from sawtooth and fabric. I believe we've got pretty much all the other groups that I would expect to be representing, to be doing different sessions. And so, I'm working on getting that the schedule starting to fill out and the meeting with everyone to get all of their sessions all filled out. There's going to be a boot camp BC in Vancouver on March 11th. It's actually just Indian focus. And the indie team, thanks Nathan and others, are going to be reusing some of the materials that they're going to have at the Hong Kong boot camp for that one as well. And we're basically creating a cache of those learning materials to be reused. I'm still working on the timing for the Brazil and India boot camps right now as well. Brazil may be May. India was asking for June, which, if everything is production lies, we can do, but it'll be a little tight. So, I'm still negotiating on those pieces right now. Any questions in regards to the boot camps? Okay. On the contributor summit, I talked with the event staff about the possibility of doing something in Japan. They came back with, you would blow your entire budget, to which it basically becomes very crucial for us to find a free space if we wanted to do a one day of a smaller version of the contributor summit in Japan. And so, I believe some of the board members are going into asking to find out if that is possible or not. Can I get confirmation from you all on this call as to who is asking whom? I don't see Hart on the call. I know that Hart had said that he could go ask. So, I can follow up directly with Hart on that. Awesome. One of the other things that I was doing is suggesting that maybe instead of doing the full bone contributor summit that I wanted to do, that we do scale back to asking that a lot of our events have unconferencing days, which can be anything, honestly, and we'll actually measure a little bit better with things like the membership summit and the HGF, where basically, we add on an additional day that people fill in the sessions that they felt like they didn't get and are willing to run them and do things of that nature. And so, that's one of the things that I'm discussing with the event staff as to how much that would be and what that would look like. I think that might fulfill some of the needs that y'all were looking at. And so, I wanted to talk with y'all a bit about it a bit more while I discuss the do-ability with the event staff. So, are we still considering the contributor summit to be at the same time and co-located with other hyperledger specific events like member summit or global forum? That's hard to do for a number of reasons. Again, cost being one of them, unless we find a cheap location. The other is, they're very different audiences. I mean, there'll be quite a few people for whom there is overlap, but quite a few for whom there's not. And it is kind of nice for those for whom there is overlap to try to space these out over the course of the year. The next hyperledger global forum won't be until the first quarter of 2020. So, we wouldn't want to wait until that long to have the contributor summit. It's a toss up over, you know, if we were to find something affordable to be able to do it in Tokyo just before the member summit, then possibly so. But there might be more affordable options somewhere. Yeah, I think maybe one thing, given that the contributor summit is based on, you know, maintainers and high impact contributors, maybe one thing that we could also do is see if we can take a geographic look of what the demographics of that group are. That may be another way to, I guess, make it easier for folks. You know, I'm not sure if the majority of those folks are in the U.S. or Canada or APAC or what have you. Clearly, we want to have that in a variety of locations. I'm just thinking, one of the comments that I had heard on previous TSC calls is that it's going to be difficult to get out to Japan for the member summit and then maybe to Canada for the contributor summit and then maybe to, you know, I don't know, Europe for the global forum. So, maybe if we can figure out how to make the, if the member summit is a separate event, how to make that as low impact and as possible that may be a useful thing for us to look at. Hey, Kelly, I am on the call. This is... Hey, Hart, sorry about that. Sorry, no worries. And I'll reach out to some people and I'll keep everybody updated. Okay, thanks. And if anyone else has connections to corporations or universities in the Tokyo region and think that you may be able to get space for a small one-day event, please reach out to myself or Salona. That would be quite useful. Does anyone else have any thoughts or questions about the member summit? Okay. And then Salona, in the event that we're unable to secure any free space in Japan, it sounds like that's going to happen sometime in the Q3 timeframe in Canada. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. And the thing that we were looking at doing is something that's a little bit more structured than just an arm conference for it. It was going to be, you know, that consensus process that I was talking to you about in regards to the architecture. So it's a little bit more involved. It will have a pretty set agenda in regards to it. I will try to have it so that we have both the consensus creating mechanism as well as some unconferencing time separate, but it may end up extending the timeframe from two to three days, but I'm not quite sure yet. I'm trying to get all of that sussed out. But if we are doing these other unconferencing days attached to the other events where it's not strictly contributors, but instead it's a little bit more open so that we can get that organized. Yeah, then maybe just one question on the contributor summit. In terms of the agenda, how do you see that playing out? Is that something where we'll have some sort of email thread about what the attendees are hoping to discuss? I'm just trying to think about how will we ensure that that's a productive use of those folks' time. A lot of it will be on the Wiki. It'll be something that's a little bit more structured on the Wiki because I wanted to do themes for them and the theme that I wanted to do was interoperability and architecture. There would be a lot of different things that we would already have scoped out and suggested in regards to that. It is about bringing all the major contributors and maintainers to the same place so that we can have a really good and depth discussion about those topics. Okay, great. Thank you. I'll be scoping it out on the Wiki once we know if we're going to be able to do something as structured as I would like to have done, but if we're doing an additional just one day tacked on to the member summit, then it becomes a little different for me in regards to creating those agendas. All right, great. Sounds like the next discussion item is the security audit. Dave, do you want to give us an update on that? Yeah, sure. I sent an email thread two actually earlier this week, one about the release of the composer security audit that was conducted late last year. It looks like I have enough plus ones from the TSC and the mailing list to go ahead and do that, but during that discussion, I don't remember exactly who suggested it, but someone suggested from the TSC suggested that we do a formal change to the process where the security audits just get released automatically if all high and medium critical security bugs are resolved, addressed and resolved, or there aren't any serious issues found and that the only time I would need to get TSC approval is if we for whatever reason decide to release the report while they're still outstanding high and medium criticality issues. So all I'm asking for right now is just maybe a quick vote if we have quorum on the small process change. Any questions? Yeah, I think that sounds good, but yeah, I would second that. Are there any concerns with that approach for anyone on the call? No, I think it's good. I'm all for streamlining your process as much as possible. Yeah, I should point out that this will also, this will not eliminate the blog posts and announcements that go around, you know, in conjunction with the release of these reports. So everything else is going to stay the same. It's just I won't bug you guys for a vote. Well, I think awareness would be worthwhile to need to be voted on, but I think making sure that there's a heads up, you know, it's going to be published this week, or, you know, whatever is probably in order. Sure. And more than just an email just to make sure everybody's paying full attention, I don't know about everybody else, but I get a lot of spam. So you want me to put it on like the TSC agenda and say, yeah, just for awareness, here's what is coming and here's the review. You can take a look at it. I think it'd be useful. Okay. But that, there was, there was a sort of a side discussion though on that thread, I think, and that was about, you know, you know, is it just 1.0s that we're going to be doing a security audit on and what happens with subsequent major releases where there's huge changes in function or whatever. Do we have a policy or anything in place that I know of that addresses that? It seems to me like we should have a conversation, not to have it now, necessarily, but I think, I think it's worthwhile to sort of have a think about, you know, what it means, you know, for this, for this community to be issuing code that's so fundamental, so fundamentally sort of related to security and trust and yet not have a process for subsequent major releases. Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up, Chris. That's really a sage observation. Just to give everybody an update on that, I am fully aware of the lack of procedure and process around this. I've been discussing this with internal staff for the last two quarters, three quarters or so. There's a number of issues related to that. I'm in the process of developing metrics to measure code churn and major changes to security sensitive code like APIs and cryptography and things like that. And so the short answer is I work every day a little bit on developing this policy, so my plan was to bring this to the TSC fairly soon, actually. We're getting to a point where I could have an answer and a proposal for this, but you're right. There is no official policy and I will be seeking the advice of the TSC here very soon. And then the other related thing is I had a chat this week from an IBM perspective with our colleagues at GitHub and I think they're fishing around. I think they're going to do some things from a security perspective. They currently have a process of notifying the owners of somebody's having breakfast or maybe it's somebody sniffling like me, that they notify the owners of repositories when one of the modules or components typically node, I think initially, but is known to have vulnerability and then they send an email to the owner of that repository. The owner of the repositories, I think, is going to be somebody on the LF staff. How do we get if there are some of those GitHub notifications to the owner? How does that get back to the teams? I'm that guy. I figured as much. I didn't want to point fingers. No, that's fine. I went through all of the projects that are developed on GitHub and added all of those projects, like all the sawtooth, all those other projects. I added those administrator and contributor teams to the alerts. So when they log in, they'll see the banner at the top of the page. I don't have any mechanism to do the same thing because there aren't teams. Nobody has commit access on GitHub. The way GitHub works, it's very difficult for me to surface that to you other than to forward the email, which I think is pretty low bandwidth. I'm open to any suggestions. I think the difficulty is if you're using Garrett, how often do you log into GitHub to see the banner at the top of the GitHub page? Never. So it would be setting up a parallel set of groups of people, making them committers or admins on these projects for the sole purpose of receiving this email. That seems not great. Brian, is there a way that we can just add the security at hyperledger.org email address to one of these accounts so that whenever those alerts happen, they just get sent to the security list? It's the same problem. No. We can discuss offline. So what would happen is you would get a truncated email. You get an email that has all of your alerts, and there are many, and then those people would need to log in as the security at person to see the actual alerts. So we have to set up an account. You would not get the full fidelity alerts if you did it that way either. So you get a general notice. There are problems. Yes, we already know there are problems. You would not get anything very actionable. I can shoot around a copy of the email that I get, but it's not anything that you're going to be able to work with. Yeah, let's discuss this offline, but I think there is something here that we can, there's definitely some improvement we can make, I'm sure. Oh yeah. All right, great. With that, do we want to move forward with a vote? I will also second Chris's thought there that a heads up would be nice. For me, email is fine. An update on the TSC would be fine as well. Six confluence emails. Don't do it for you. You know, yeah. Fundamentally, it's part of the problem. It's part of the managing your spam folder problem. I think it's great that you can, oh well, okay, I guess I have to go in there and figure out my settings, but if I dial them down, I'm still not going to get the ones that matter, right? So you can set to just get digest on confluence. And so I highly suggest that everyone go on their profile page and change it to digest. So that way you can go and see the granularity, but only get bugged once a day. All right, thanks. So I guess do we want to move forward with the vote on that? I'd like to propose that we make the security audit release automatic if there are no higher medium severity bugs that are unresolved. I second that we should do that. All right, great. I guess I'll go ahead and leave this all in favor. I, is anyone opposed to making the security audit automatic? May any of those? Thanks everybody. All right, fantastic. Thanks, Dave. Really appreciate that. Okay, I will pass it back to Solona to talk about the quilt reboot and the DNI meeting. Thanks. Actually, Ryle did the DNI meeting. The quilt reboot is still going. We had, I think, a pretty productive conversation with Silas yesterday in regards to it. I still have to get the architecture working group to come in and also talk with them next Wednesday. Right now I'm keeping things very open, though I am noticing a big conversation based off of protocols to support value versus asset transfer. And there was a little bit of a question in regards to standardization and what hyperledger can give on top of the ILP. But I'm trying to keep all the discussions right now very open. Since we had so much input in regards to this arena that I wanted us to first figure out where everyone is and get a good idea of the overarching needs of everyone before we sit down and figure out what the limitations are, because I told them that we would be bringing this back to the TSC and if there ends up being another project or if there ends up being labs or there ends up being a working group that comes out of it, then we needed to sort out what all exists first and then come to y'all with our proposal as to what that would look like. Silas, did you have anything to add about the meeting? Yeah, I found that quite useful. I think that probably expanding the scope of quilt sounds like the wrong thing to do. I think Raphael, from what he was saying there, I don't think the scope of the interledger protocol is particularly about state transfer. As I mentioned on the call, I think that there is a gap here for a working group that is on something like meta consensus that the idea of safely doing atomic swaps of state and or value between different chains, that's something I'd be interested in, although I don't know whether I'm interested in volunteering to be a chair of such a group, but if anyone is interested in doing stuff like that, so this would be basically having smart contract endpoints that allow you to lock up some state and or value on one end, check that it's locked up by your validators, and then generate it or release it on the other end. So this would work for potential transferring stuff from the Ethereum to Burrow, from Burrow to Sawtooth or whatever, but it sounds like there's not specific enough stuff for implementation to approach such a broad topic, and I think it would blur the quilt project, which is a ILP implementation. Thank you. Is there any other questions in regards to the quilt portion as to where we are? Was there anyone who wants to participate that hasn't been participating yet? We are going to have our next, I know that there was a conflict with Ursa this week, but we are going to be having another meeting next week, so I'm hoping. Yeah, I wanted to participate, but I missed the first two all together, so hopefully to make the next one. Okay, thanks, Ben. I'd appreciate it. Okay, I think that's it for the quilt reboot. Ry, did you want to talk on the DNI meeting? Sure, this will be fairly short. We had our bi-weekly community health committee meeting yesterday. I put some links in Rocket Chat, and we are continuing to work with chaos. We had a very good presentation from Mandi from Intel. I was hoping to have a link to give you to her presentation on how Intel handles some of the DNI issues. We are also working with Vitergia and Chaos on defining our metrics and getting those reflected in Chaos development so that all the projects have access to those going forward. The group is fairly active. The Chaos DNI group meets every week, and we would love more participation in general for Chaos, and I'll provide a link in the meeting to the Chaos space. I thought it was a little bit disjointed, but any questions? Ry, we also decided that the community health group was going to get a special space on the Wiki to share with people, correct? It sort of does right now, right? We have a community health committee space in the Hyperledger community tools home, right? We can move that, but we were already... I don't think they were aware of the fact that we've got a space and that it's starting to get scaled up. Okay, well, there's a link in the rocket chat channel to that space. It's the first link that I posted. We first brought this about as a working group, and we didn't meet the bar as a working group, so now we're a committee, so I'm a little bit gun shy about creating a top-level space for it. Well, let's just go ahead and share that link in the TSC notes so that the people can go in and see what the different progress is so that they can watch it. Thank you. Sure, so that covers the topics for today. As folks will notice, we are about a quarter behind on updates from the Hyperledger Composer project, so that project is looking for new contributors and new maintainers for that project, so if anyone on the call is interested in helping to continue to move that project forward, please reach out to myself or Solona, and as you see here, Quilt is also going through a reboot as well, so that's another area. Folks are looking to get involved that they can help out with. Before we end for the day, are there any other opens or topics that folks would like to discuss? I'd just like to encourage people to remember to help me put things in regards to the backlog so that we can make sure to keep things updated. Chris brought up the whole security policy and what that's going to be. Dave's already working on that for the project readiness update that he'll be doing later on. It's not quite ready yet, but it will be eventually, so if there are other things that, especially with me being newish that I'm not aware of, this is a really good place to put things in so that we can prepare reports for you. All right. Any other opens? Well, thanks everyone for your participation today. We'll meet again next week and hope everyone has a great weekend. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks everybody.


So, who do you carry yourself with such ease and poise? So, just wondering if you have a bad day or are you frustrated at times and how do you actually tackle certain situations? Why are you trying to label a day as a bad day or a good day? It is only human beings who, in their experience, they do these things to themselves. Why they do these things to themselves is, see today there was a glorious sunrise. Millions of flowers blossomed across the planet. So many wonderful things are happening. Even the stars are twinkling right now, the moon is full today. Everything is fantastic, but one worm of a thought in your head can make a mess out of you, isn't it so? Isn't it so? So why this is so is, somewhere you are giving or ascribing a lot more importance to your psychological process than the existential process.  Because your thought process and your emotion has become far more important than the existential process. That is the only problem, isn't it? Or in other words, the creation, the creator's creation has not impacted you enough yet.  Otherwise why? No, the stock market crashed. So what, the sun rose, so many things happened. Does it mean to say nothing goes wrong in my life?  Because I don't hesitate to just get put my hand into just about anything, you understand? I do not hesitate to put my hand into anything. When you put your hand into just about anything, lot of things will bite you, right? Naturally it will. I want you to understand this. The whole process of suffering is essentially that you have not opened your eyes, you've not peeled your eyes properly and look at the grandeur of everything that's happening around you. Not yet, you've not paid attention. You looked at the world like this, you must look at the world like this. If you just look at one thing, you can't believe how it is. If you ever look at an ant, just see what kind of technology has gone into it, it can keep you engaged for the rest of your life doing research. Yes or no? So the problem is just this, that you are giving too much importance to what's happening in your little head, not paying attention to all the magnificent things that are happening in the existence. I've never seen a bad day in the existence. I've only seen bad days in people's moods and minds, isn't it?


Good, thank you, didn't want to interrupt the flow, but I just got out of another meeting month to check in. No worries, no worries, like I'm here with Antoine, that is like a friend and a colleague here, Malta, and like he, he, I entice him to come to this, this event, at least my community manager, if I'm not mistaken now. As I was telling you about code suite and buffer are two tools that support them, the management of social media, you know, like I do not recommend them specifically, but I did something to have in mind. We tend to use so much social media to reach out our community, young people in your case, or parents, and to inform on what we are doing. Like this software, these tools will allow you to schedule in advance posts and understand a little bit better what is going on, on your social media and monitor them accordingly. Nowadays, also Facebook or Meta has created a tool that is not that dissimilar, so that also can be very interesting to be using. On the other hand, like we got two other interesting tools that are at the grants or the whole, the whole Google advertisement that allows you to use 10,000 euros, I was telling you per month in advertisements on Google. It is a little bit complex as a tool, but like, you know, maybe we can work it out all together as a group here, mark that as a platform, and like try to use it all together. So that could be a good idea to approach this idea, this tool that it's free for everybody. And Facebook ads, of course, I mean, like if you are on Facebook, like you would have seen somebody posting something as an ad, like that's also something we can work on. I'm a big fan of like, speaking about fundraising, you know, like sometimes nonprofit organization, I don't know what they're feeling here in Malta, but I believe that like, at least in Italy, nonprofit organizations are not so concerned about fundraising. But if they want to be sustainable, if they want to be impactful, I think it is extremely important to have a differentiated source of income, meaning to have different, to have different revenue stream coming from projects, coming from donors, and also like coming from fundraising. Those are all tools that like I have been hearing about. Even bright, it's for the organization of events mostly, and allows you to create a community to set up tickets and like receiving donation, or within the platform. And like it's helpful because like, you know, in this way you don't need to do anything with pen or paper or like collect the money or like what not. PayPal also has, is a very simple tool that you can access like with a discount for nonprofit organization. If I'm not mistaken, the simple PayPal has a fee, like a little bit of money that you need to pay for each amount of money you receive, with the PayPal for nonprofit, if you access that, that will be cutting off.  So like it's so important to know. Facebook fundraising, this is also something that was quite interesting. It's a tool to collect money within Facebook. So you can organize a fundraising. And for example, how this is very often is that like people when it's their birthday, they will select a nonprofit organization and they will type, you know, like instead of buying me the new iPhone or like whatever. Like just to make some money to this organization because I support it. It's my heart there. So like, in Italy, it's not working very well at the moment, but I don't know here, Malta, but I can check it out for you. But it's always interesting to listen to that. Also, something that I really loved and Rome was working really nicely. I don't know if still working like that is Airbnb experience. Airbnb experience is connected with Airbnb. The, you know, the house and like the home rental. But like the experiences is connected to what can happen, you know, in living like a local, meaning that when you go to Malta, for example, you will be having a tour with somebody who is from Malta that will show you how to make pastitsi or like will bring you to the best theater and whatnot. And like through Airbnb experience for the profit, you can organize events that have a fee. So like, for example, each person that will participate will pay 10 euros or something like that. And that amount of money will completely go to your charity, to your organization. So like, it's another way to both promote your organization and to do fundraising. And with Airbnb experience for no profit, there is no fee for nonprofit organization. So that's also very interesting. eBay, we all know eBay. It's like an auction website. So you can put up things, but there is also eBay for charity that allows, you know, again, like people or privates to sell items. And all the collection of the money will go directly to the organization. So like, this is also very interesting. Canva, I think we spoke about Canva last time. It's a simple tool for creating graphics and everything that is visual. Like, it's very simple. And what I love of Canva is that like you can access the pro version freely if you are a nonprofit organization, which means that like you have a lot of different features that are for free. And also, you know, like what I do with my organizations and also when I'm working with younger people is I'm always asking them if they want to play with Canva, because like it's fun and they can create some very interesting visuals for my organization for the project and whatnot. So like that's also something to consider. And like the process to access it for free, it's like five minutes, not even that. Lastly, and this is a little bit more advanced tool. So like something that I would not recommend to start with, to think about in general. So like, I think that one of the main or the most interesting thing that a nonprofit organization does very well is creating a relationship. But what we don't do very well is cultivating those relationships on a regular basis and to create the value like between this relationship, between beneficiaries, volunteers, donors, and in general the community. So those are all tools that like can help you in that. I will always start to say start with a database, you know, like it can be as a simple Excel file in which there is all the names, all the emails, all the connections of the people that you, there are around your organization so that you can connect with them and speak with them. Volunteer management, I think Damian told you about like that they have developed an in-house software to manage all the process of the booking of the volunteers that are going to Kenya and Cambodia and India. And like this is similar. I mean like it's not in-house, meaning like it's not developed according to the necessities of the organization. But it's something that it's already there and you can access. It is a way for the volunteers to be always updated on what is going on in the organization. They can be always like knowing what to do and in general they can be in the loop of the many activities that we have. There is a ton of different software that can be used for that.  Ali, I think we used like, we used to use CBCRM that was quite cool on that side, no? Yeah, that's right. I use CBCRM for a number of years and actually currently I'm using HubSpot, which just opened up a charity discount program. Actually, I think it may have been expanded to the UK, which might mean it also gets expanded to Malta because it's administered by the same tech suit. But I'm not positive about that. But yeah, there are a number of good options out there. But of course, CBCRM is always the hardest of any projects to bring into an organization because you need to have a deep understanding of like, what is your problems you're trying to solve and what's repeatable and what is the flow of the information. So always an adventure. True that, true that. Anyway, like this is just like a tool that supports a lot of different activities within your organization and it's mostly for connecting with other people. And like to make sure that everybody's on the loop and like everybody's informed. And everybody has the tools to do the work that is supposed to do as a volunteer. And lastly, something that I always speak about analytics and data, you know, like what has changed a lot in the last 30 years that we started at the beginning is the fact that nowadays through technology, we're much more able to understand what is going on in terms of data. We can measure a lot of things. We can identify a lot of different things. But like, we need to know how to do it. There is, you know, like a simple as connecting Google analytics to your website to know how many people are going there. There is a lot of other things that we can implement in order to measure and understand better your impact. So this can be part of like our next event I'm doing. And this is more or less, you know, like what I wanted to tell you in this sense, you know, there is a lot of things. And what I wanted to hear was like, if you have any question or something you would like to see now, I know that you don't have much, much time, but like, I'll be happy to show you anything that you're interested about among the things that I showed you. Okay, something simple. You know how you said you have a feature where somebody books meetings with you directly and gets an email back. I like that sort of simple automation, but it seems like it already gives a message about what you are about, what you believe in technology. You know how technology can be used for good and these little things. Could you show me something about that? Maybe now or later? Sure. Okay. Can you see my new screen? Just let me check. 500 open. So this is Google Drive for no profit. Okay. And like, as I was telling you before, within Google, you have a lot of different things with an advanced version that is available for non-profit organization. And it's very, very easy to access. We can speak about that next time or like I can show you very simply how to do it. Fundamentally, like it's a feature that is within this app that is the calendar. And how does it work? It works very, very simple. You know, do you use Google Calendar by any chance? So like, okay, great. So like this is the advanced calendar and like it works very similar to a normal calendar, but it has a little bit more options. And like the last one is called appointment slots. And what it does is that like it allows you to create a slot of different duration in time. So for example, it can be 30 minutes as I do or it can be 15 minutes. And like you can say for how long, so like maybe we can put two hours, three hours, something like that. And this is how we look on your calendar. And how does it work to send it out to other people? It's like it creates this link for the calendar. And this is how it looks. So this is what you share. You just share this block. You see the block with the word test on it? If somebody who received that link like can book an appointment with Mateo Sisto on that specific date, the specific time for that amount of hours. And like they will, you know, like I will both receive an email. The other person will receive an email. And there will also be a Google Meet link. So you will know already where to go and what to do during that meeting. And this is very, very simple to set up but also very, very effective. So like for example, I am in some weeks I will have some meetings with different people. And like this is my calendar. You see get to know Europiamo. It's all the appointments that are bookable in my, oh sorry, here. Those are all the appointments that are bookable on my calendar. So like when I send the email, they will receive the link to book an appointment with me and like I will know when they are coming and who is coming on that date. So this is something that is very simple to set up. And it's all part of the Google For Non-Profit app. Which is... Okay. It's part of, how do you access this as a non-profit? It's very, very simple. So like this is the page to go. It's Google For Non-Profit. Like it is available in Malta since May 2020. So like quite recently. And like the first thing you need to do is to create an account here. So you can create, you do sign in and you put like 500 accounts. So like I'm not going to be showing you this part but it's just simple. You use your normal Gmail account and you follow the steps over here. Then at a certain point, it will ask you to go on TechSoup. Because like TechSoup, as I told you, like it's one of the providers of validation services for this sort of activity.  And like how does it work?  You can select Malta if I'm not mistaken but I think that like all of them are less connected. Yep, that will work. Yeah, exactly.  And you, if you don't have an account but I think you have because you talk half time. Exactly. You do the member login that I don't remember if it's this one here. That 500. I don't know the password. Anyway, like you will reach a page that will say, you know, like, if you give me two seconds, I'll try to find my account and everything and I'll show you the whole procedure because like it's harder to explain than to do it. And also maybe- Yeah, and I'll put a link to the TechSoup Canada site which sort of walks people through how to find that token in the backend. Because yeah, you just need to find like this random character string from your free TechSoup account to do the proof with Google that you're the organization you claim you are. Okay. So actually, I need to leave off to my next meeting but Antoine, such a pleasure to meet with you and Mateo, thank you so much. We'll catch up. Thank you so much for leading this event. Ciao Ale, see you. Yes, cheers. Okay. Give me a second because yeah, here I have it already. No problem. So I'm finally inside my TechSoup account and like I go here in the top right, there is my organization account. I click on account and you say like you have different headers. One of them is called token validation token. You click on validation token and you will see you can add a new token meaning that like you can create a code that you will just need to input on the Google page that I showed you before. So like on Google for no profit at a certain point, we'll ask you to insert the token that you just create through your account on TechSoup. Okay. And like after that, you can access everything on TechSoup, sorry, on Google, also the calendar, you know, like you can create more accounts, you know, maybe for your volunteers or for departments or for yourself. And you know, like if you're interested in this specific topic, one of my next appointment would have been on how to access these things and we can do it together. You know, like this is what I feel about. I want this to be something that is helpful and useful for all of you. And you know, like since you are my first participant to this, I'll be very happy to build it just on your specific needs because you know, like I think many of others could be interested to that. Okay. So maybe, yeah, no, no, no, you're welcome. Thank you for coming and being part of this, you know, we need to start somewhere. And I, let me see if I have other things to tell you, but I don't think, no, this is more or less everything I wanted to tell. If you're interested, I can show you also some other tools in these moments or like, you know, like we can organize for a meeting maybe in the beginning of June on Google for no profit or like, you know, we can speak about how to organize a meeting which like would be available for an hour and a half. And I will help you to set it up properly. Well, I could also ask others who are part of other NGOs to join us. Exactly. This is what this is what would be very, very helpful for me as well. You know, like I'll be happy to help other organizations, but, you know, like it's not easy to reach out to multi-organization because like if you don't know them, like they're a bit skeptical about who's this guy, what does he want from me? And like, what not? But like that, you know, like I understand that. That's how we do it. Yeah. But, you know, like I would appreciate any sort of promotion or support, but like this is what I would like to do.  On this date, what do you think?  And we can, you know, we can organize something that like it's really, really for you. Okay. What can I say? Thank you for that. See, let's see, it was... Okay. I think for today, let's leave it there because time is what it is like. And I will try to explore the Google thing, the Google follow-on profits, just to see what it's like. And then eventually, it's something for me also to get into what I need for these things as time always. If I have time, I will enjoy them perfectly, but there's a lot of pressures at the moment for the little time that there is. So... For sure. For sure. But like, you know, what I'm thinking to do is also that like, since some of these skills are very important also for the youngsters, you know, like what we can do is like you will be connected with the account, but I'll teach the youngsters how to use these tools. And that might be also something we can offer, you know, like I'm very, very open on how to do it. My objective is to make nonprofit organization work better and be more impactful. And I think technology can be one too. So like how we do it, it's not really a problem for me. I think Drive and Canva would be good for us as well. Eventually, Facebook adverts. I think those three for us will be really quite good because Canva, there is already somebody who... Well, we already used them a little bit. Drive and Drive gives us more space or we can set up some sort of... Oh, another thing which I liked was the WordPress without having a domain. That was another thing which... I'll show you exactly how it works like in a second because like I have some website. And I think it's interesting just to see how it works because like it's very, very simple and interesting structure. This is again like it's connected with Google. So like through your account you have also a possibility to create a website. You see my screen. This is a drag and drop website. And everything it's very simple to use, you know, like you have images, you have like different kind of things on the site. And then you can just publish it.  And it's very, very simple to put it out and like to create and doesn't take any space. And it's quite useful at certain times. So it's very dependent on what you think to be doing with that, of course, now. That's WordPress, yes, yes. Now this is some Google website is called. What's it called? Google website. A Google website. Okay, I thought it was a WordPress website. Okay, WordPress is the serious one fundamentally. I mean like it's a little bit more complex. I would not recommend to start with that unless you want to go. No, no, no, it's the same thing, a good Google website. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Antoine, I'll send you some other information, maybe some links where to find more information about that. And like, thank you very much again for being here. Thank you as well. And I'll see you next week, no? Please God. Yes. In Valletta. In Valletta, yes, yes, yes. Have a good one. Ciao, ciao, ciao. Thanks again. Thank you, Matteo. Thanks for our time. Cheers.


t the most out of other public sector agencies and funding sources in order to fill that funding gap. The committee's inquiry found that there seemed to be little flexibility available to Scottish enterprise here to support production companies because of its focus on account managing growth companies, but on the other hand that Highlands and Islands Enterprise could do more because of its remit for community development. There is surely a case here to look at how best to join up support from public bodies in skills as well as in production and to find ways to replicate the effective support provided by HIE in other parts of Scotland. Perhaps most important to stimulating independent television production is the lead that is given by off-com and public service broadcasters in setting and meeting quotas for production outwith London. That has helped. An enterprise in companies such as Tern Television in Aberdeen have been able to produce high-quality programming for different channels and across the wider UK network. As Clare Baker and others said, the time has come for the public service broadcasters to go beyond the interim approach of lift and shift and instead to deliver sustained long-term benefit for production companies with staff based here on a permanent basis. However, it is important that commissioners should be based here, too, because commission programmes will always start with high-quality producers whose work they already know. The commissioning point is absolutely vital. Yes, I agree that we should provide more independent production and production from Scotland for Network, but we also need to have the commissioning, the decision-making here in Scotland. That is the proposal that we are bringing forward for the BBC. I welcome the broad principle of that and commissioning as well as producing programmes is of critical importance. If all parties can focus on what public service broadcasters can do for the creative industries in Scotland and for the Scottish economy, that is the right approach to take when we come to discuss the BBC going forward and other related matters. If we do that, I believe that we can make a positive difference to the Scottish economy at this critical time. Many thanks. Thank you, Presiding Officer. Although I am not on the committee, I am only too aware of the impact that the creative industries have on our economy in terms of jobs, investment and being used as a promotional tool for the various parts of our nation. Their invaluable contributor to economy is Murdo Fraser, the committee convener has already stated that the creative industries are worth around £5 billion and currently employ 68,600 people, but they also can influence how the world seizes internationally. I also welcome—there has been much said during the debate about the progress that has been made towards the establishment of a permanent film studio in Scotland. That need was articulated by many individuals from the film and TV industry the last time they addressed the Education and Culture Committee. The studio would make a vital difference to considering the newer way of broadcasting TV and film with the different platforms that are now available through online subscription channels and digital platforms as well. Outlander that has been talked about much today as an example, because in the UK it is broadcast by Amazon Prime at the moment. Having read a bit about Outlander, it is a drama series based on the historic time travel series of novels of Diane Galbeld on TV created by Ronald D Moor of Battlestar Galactic and Star Trek fame. What is not to like about this? I know what I will be watching this weekend, because as a fully certified film and TV geek, I cannot wait to see that progress even further, because we live in exciting times as far as broadcasting is concerned. There are other opportunities within the industry as well. Although things for the studio are at a very early stage, I can see no better place for a national film studio than the great town of Paisley. The creative talent is there. Our geography is perfect for it and it has the transport links both internationally and domestically for such a studio. However, filming TV can influence the way the world looks at us, our towns and our communities. For once again, I would like to use my own constituency as an example where movies and TV have influenced. There was a movie made a number of years ago about the stone of destiny in Aen Hamilton when he reeked a Paisley man incidentally who reclaimed the stone of destiny in the 1950s. It was filmed at the Paisley Abbey in Paisley, which stood in for the Westminster in a cathedral. It showed that we could use the historic buildings and infrastructure that we have in a town like Paisley for that. That has led to many other TV and production companies coming to the town. BBC has on-going various antique shows that travel the length and breadth of the country. One in particular was Flogget, which my wife was in. I am sick of hearing about that show because it is broadcast throughout the world, and family members in other countries have been telling us constantly as if it just happened yesterday. It happened about five years ago. That shows the impact of a television show like that. When we are talking about the way things are done differently in broadcasting now, it shows another show for the BBC, Antique Road Trip, which has visited Paisley in numerous occasions because it sees the history and what is available in the town. I welcome the report and the hard work that has been done by many of my colleagues on that committee, but I also say that we live in exciting times. I think that it is now the time for Scotland to reassert itself as a broadcasting nation and film nation. We now move to closing speeches. I call on Gavin Brown up to four minutes, Mr Brown. It has been a very interesting debate, and I have to say that I particularly enjoyed the rather uplifting contribution that we just heard from George Adam, a man who never disappoints, I have to say. In bringing the close to this debate, at least from this side of the chamber, I think that I want to pick up on the points that I want the Government to really focus upon and drive forward in the coming months because it is not about activity, it is about action on the ground and making a real difference. I welcome the fact that the Government agree that there should be a review of the video game sector to be led by Creative Scotland. That was a conclusion of the committee. The Government signed up to that, and I was pleased to hear the cabinet secretary saying that it would begin shortly. If she has time in closing, if not, perhaps something written could be put forward. I would be interested to know when that is going to begin and the rough timescale for it. Because of the nature of that industry, it is something that has to happen quickly. It is an industry that does change regularly, and the idea of a typical industry review that might take a year or two I think just wouldn't be appropriate for that particular kind of industry. Just to give you a notion on the sort of changes that happen in that industry, according to Scottish Government figures in 2010, there were 200 employees in the industry. In 2013, there were 1,000. A five-fold increase over a three-year period is an industry that is going places, and I think that the right strategy could really go places. When that review happens, I would ask the Government to keep an open mind on the results of the review on the idea of a national strategy. The committee suggested that a national strategy ought to happen for the industry. The Government did not dismiss it, but it seemed a little lukewarm about the idea and certainly did not commit to it in the written response that I was able to see. Once that review has taken place, I urge the Government to revisit that and to pull together a national strategy. I know that there is a digital leadership group of which the video games industry is a part, but given the type of growth that we have seen over the past couple of years, in my opinion anyway, it certainly merits a national strategy of its own, but let's see what the review turns out. Just one point that I wanted to throw in. I do not know whether it is true or not, but it is a statement that was made in the report and it appeared to go unchallenged. I am hoping that it is wrong. The statement said that there is no strategy for growing the television sector in Creative Scotland's 10-year strategic plan. I do not know whether that is true or not, but I would like the cabinet secretary to respond to that. If that is true, clearly some change needs to happen there. It appeared to go unchallenged, but I may well be incorrect in that. I have talked about the memorandum of understanding. I will not say much more than that, just to say that I think that that is a priority, not just for its own sake but because of the message in the signal that it sends out to industry. If we cannot get that right, we are not going to see the cultural changes that we need across the organisations who are responsible for it. We heard from the cabinet secretary about the £3 million that the funding announced some seven or eight months ago. The £2 million was a loan fund for production companies. The £1 million was for the Screenskills Scotland fund. It would be interesting to know what sort of drawdown we have seen for the £3 million. Are we in a better place where that money is being put to good use, or do we still have some of the same challenges that we had with the previous £2 million fund? The last thing that I want to say is that it is clearly for the committee members to decide their work programme going forward, but I would just put out a plea to them to say that I hope that having done all this excellent work, having really pulled together a very good paper, I hope that they will do some kind of fall-up session perhaps towards the end of the year or early next year to get those same witnesses back to check on the progress that has happened so that we do not have a similar debate any year's time or two years' time with the similar challenges that we have heard of today. We also welcome the number of recommendations that were made in the report, including leading the co-ordination of the industry, academia and public bodies to establish a national strategy that will deliver a sustainable Scottish games industry. We also welcome the funding commitments that were made today in advance of today's debate. However, the findings made in the report that there is an apparent lack of ability of agencies to collaborate or work within the industry itself, which is rather concerning for many of our speakers today. I quote from the report that the separate and distinct remits of the Scottish Enterprise and Creative Scotland are acting as barriers to working cohesively to effectively support the film industry. This situation is so detrimental to Scotland's culture. As outlined in the report and in today's debate, it is vital that a decision over a film and TV studio in Scotland is reached as soon as possible, otherwise the effects on our film and TV industries will be damaged. Together with the Scottish Government and its agencies and the film and TV industry, we can agree that this is a priority for growing the sector. I do not think that I could go any further, but as a Glasgow MSP, I would obviously believe that Glasgow would be best placed to accommodate it. Claire Baker and Gordon MacDonald mentioned in their speeches the off-com quotas for greater production and spend in Scotland by the public service broadcasters. They represent a huge opportunity to increase the skills and expertise within Scotland's independent TV industry. We welcome the call made by the committee upon the BBC and the Channel 4 to adopt this as a new approach to commissioning by the end of 2016, if not sooner. It is important to note that, following the Smith commission, we will have a consultative role for the first time in the charter renewal process, and it is vital that we all work and cross-party work constructively to get the best deal for our viewers in Scotland. The Scottish Labour Party is committed to calling for increased investment for BBC Scotland from within the licence fee settlement and for the retention of the quota systems for commissioning from nations and regions. There is no doubt that the creative industries bring valuable economic benefits to individuals, communities and the country as a whole. Scotland's cultural and creative activities are as relevant to our international reputation, our economic prosperity and the trading investment agenda, as does direct business support and export promotion. However, it is vital that all the agencies in this industry should work together and collaboratively to achieve the greater results and the best results that we can for Scotland's people. We are open to working together with the Scottish Government in providing a better support to meet the needs of individuals and companies within the sector. I want to specifically address those that I cannot or will follow up. I am committed to return with updates to the committee, because I think that this is a moving feast. I think that there will be developments and that it is right for the committee to hold the Government to account and, indeed, to hold the agencies to account as well. Some of the areas of key concern, the studio is still under negotiation in terms of the film leadership group's discussions with the private sector developer. There were five bids for the private sector when the private sector tendering and request was put out. Only three were eligible. Two were fully public sector funded approaches. We cannot provide 100 per cent public sector funding in support for the studio. One of the things that the independent producers have done is to take an intervention. It is quite a complicated picture to understand the film's studio proposals. In May, there was a proposal that was a private investor in the Pentlands area. How do you see those activities fitting in with the idea of a Government-supported studio? The exercise that was carried out was a call for a private sector proposal. I am quite happy to write to the member's contribution to the bid to give him an update of where we are and indeed the process to date. Those discussions with the private sector developer are continuing, but in terms of confidentiality, I cannot give you full details of who, where, when etc. However, we are on the case in terms of making sure that we have that studio because everybody is very clear that we need that infrastructure. We have locations. King Arthur, for example, was getting filmed earlier this year in terms of the productions that are taking place. Outlander, in terms of the scale of production and economic impact, I think is comparable in early years to Game of Thrones. In relation to the funds that we announced, £3 million, £1 million of that is skills development. We will be announcing very soon where that skills funding is going. The other was in relation to loans. They will also become more advantageous because of the UK tax changes. That £2 million loan fund was precisely a response to the producers that Joan McAlpine talked about coming to a meeting with me and John Swinney. That is one of the suggestions that came out of that. There has been some drawdown, but clearly it depends on the projects that are there. However, we are moving, particularly with the tax changes, into an obvious area for use of that fund. Clearly, in terms of the other aspect, a production fund itself, which is £1.75 million announced today, will also provide an incentive that might provide opportunities for people to draw down other areas where their skills are indeed the loans, because some of those financial packages can be quite complex from the industry's perspective. The point about sustainability in the screen sector is really important. That is where we need to think carefully about what we mean by public sector broadcasting. If we are going to have successful public service broadcasting in the future, it is really important that we have indigenous companies that are able to take the benefit from that. In terms of the creative industries more generally, I want to pick up Patrick Harvie's point. We have the very micro. We have the importance of supporting the entrepreneurial startups. We also see, particularly in the video games industries, where it is fast moving that people move from company to company very quickly. That is why, in relation to strategy, one of the things that the video game sector has said to me is that if you spend time on the strategy, it will be out of date by the time that it is written, because the sector is moving so quickly. Therefore, working with the sector in terms of the review of what is needed is really important, but acting on it and acting on it promptly is one of the key areas. I want to particularly focus on an area that has not been touched on, which will become increasingly important. That is the digital single market and the importance perhaps of the committee itself in looking at this area and its implications. One of the issues that affect the creative industries and the wider sector will be the digital single market strategy. I attended the EU culture and audiovisual council in Brussels. I represented the UK during the policy debate on the EU digital single market strategy and the audiovisual media services directive. It is very important that we ensure that the Scottish creative industries interests are represented in the EU's proposals on that in the coming months and years. I will work with the UK Government to make sure that its consultation processes around the digital single market are inclusive of the creative industries. In terms of other areas that were touched on, I have mentioned issues around games, in terms of television and sustainability, in particular on film and the importance of having a different package of activity. However, the underlying point—I think that it is very important that I address that—is how Creative Scotland and Scottish Enterprise work together. It is clear from Lewis MacDonald's questions that this is not a new issue. Scottish Screen was originally proposed for merger with the Scottish Arts Council under the previous administration, but that creates challenges. However, why is it that when you have other sectors such as life sciences that have to work with the private sector, but also with the health service and the Scottish Enterprise, the solutions and the proposals can be brought to bear? That is where I might challenge Patrick Harvie. However, just because creative industries have a diversity in the different areas does not mean that we should not and cannot have similar types of dedicated and focused support as other key sectors have. I think that that is the expectations that quite clearly come through from the committee's report. It is what the expectations are from this Government. The Deputy First Minister and I are very clear to the two public agencies, Creative Scotland and Scottish Enterprise, that we expect them to provide services to the sector, not to each other. That is why, in terms of what we will expect from them, it will be results in change of how they go about things and certainly being informed by the workshops that have been taking place over the summer period. However, I am really excited for this sector. There are possibilities. Perhaps there is a reflection from Drew Smith. There is cynicism, but there is also opportunity, and that is where I see this sector. I think that opportunities should, hopefully, in the near future, outwead cynicism as we move forward. Many thanks. I now call on Dennis Robertson to wind up the debate on behalf of the Economy, Energy and Tourism Committee. Mr Robertson, you have until five o'clock, which is exactly six minutes and twenty seconds. Thank you, Presiding Officer, and the clock is ticking. Presiding Officer, it gives me great pleasure to wind up this debate, because I want to focus on what the cabinet secretary said towards the end. There is a degree of excitement, but there is also frustration. Throughout the debate, and certainly throughout the witnesses that we heard, at committee, there was hope for the industry, there was excitement, there was ambition. When I listened to Patrick Harvie, I was thinking, my goodness Patrick, your energy that you were actually within the debate was fantastic. That was something that was represented within the committee when we were taking evidence. At the same time, as Joe McAlpine and John Lamont said, there was frustration, there was anger, there was disappointment. I think when we look at where we are within this report, it was challenging. We knew what the challenges were, maybe to some extent, because I certainly went into this one, not actually knowing what the outcomes would be. Did I understand the industry? Did I understand the complexities around it? No, I did not. I certainly learned a lot during taking evidence during the committee. I thank the clerks and the witnesses for the work that they put into this report. When Murdo Fraser started off by perhaps quoting Gandhi, I am not sure if he was being moved just a little tongue and cheeky, maybe a bit flippant sometimes, as Murdo can be, even as a convener. However, I really think that, as a committee, we were set a task and we set ourselves a task not to build up the Government and the success of it, but it was to look in depth and analyse exactly where we are and, hopefully, the direction that we are going. There is no doubt—I do not think that anyone is shying away from the aspect that Creative Scotland and Scottish Enterprise have not been working together as collaboratively as they could have been. I am delighted to hear that workshops have been taking place. It is perhaps with some regret that we have not come to some final outcome there, but I am sure that the cabinet secretary and certainly the Deputy First Minister, certainly when they were at committee, were in no doubt that they were looking towards both those public agencies working together for the good of and to the betterment of the industry as a whole. When we looked at taking this forward, we did look at film, TV and the video games—three very distinctive, although, as Patrick Harvie rightly said, you could probably take film and television to some degree together. What is the stumbling point for us? Well, the film studio. What is another stumbling point location of the film studio? When he was talking about the success of Northern Ireland and the film studio and other film studios in certainly Wales, what he forgot to mention was the state aid. We were very clear in the committee that we acknowledged the problems of establishing the film studio given the rules that were probably creating the barrier. Barrier was mentioned a few times during this evening's debate. Barriers should not be an obstacle. Barriers, if you acknowledge them and acknowledge that they exist, should be an opportunity for change. I think that this is probably the direction that we are going in. I was taken with the fact that Christian Allard—inventive, as he always is—started to talk up the north-east and Dundee, in particular, for the location of a film studio. Then we heard, of course, from George Adam saying, no, it should be in Paisley. It just shows that comedy is still alive, perhaps within the industry in itself. When I say that, Edinburgh is home to the fringe. However, Glasgow does make the point. I think that what we heard in evidence—I am certainly not going to pre-empt and pre-judge the location of a film studio when it eventually comes. John Lamont said, if we can have the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, why not? We have the infrastructure. I am sure that there will be many other bids. I was delighted when we looked at the TV industry, that the cabinet secretary took the time to visit Aberdeen. In fact, Lewis MacDonald mentioned Tern TV. The cabinet secretary visited Tern TV in Aberdeen to see for herself the work that goes on within the independent sector. I sincerely hope that she came away and was impressed with the work that was certainly being produced by Tern TV. I think that that shows us that we do have the skill, the ambition and the talent here in Scotland. There is much to be done. We have talked about commissioning, and we certainly need to see commissioning changing and the commissioning in production coming to Scotland. I sincerely hope that, with the public consultation that is out there, and certainly when we are looking at a programme for government, the opportunities that are before us—certainly looking at what we have in terms of a future within broadcasting—Scotland can certainly lead the way. People of Scotland can take the opportunity to take the lead. Within the video and games, I was criticised during taking evidence to some extent that I hadn't participated in the gaming in itself. I always found that using certain technologies in gaming may be somewhat arduous and difficult, but it may be not impossible. Perhaps I should make a commitment to look at trying to ensure that I will commit myself to try and see my way around getting into some of the games that are available to me. Patrick Harvie said that they came into the Parliament and demonstrated what they have and where they are going. We have the talent, ambition and skill. We have an amazing abundance of that, but they need that extra lift. They need the help from Gateway Scotland, the colleges and the infrastructure, bringing it together. They cannot be left out there in limbo. I think that we will return to the subject. I know that the EET looks forward to having an update from the Scottish Government at the end of the year, as we have asked it to do so. I am sure that we will return to this debate in the chamber. Mr Robertson, that concludes the debate on economic impact of the film, TV and video games industries. We now move to decision time. There is one question to be put as a result of today's business. The question is that motion number 14048, in the name of murder Fraser, on the economic impact of the film, TV and video games industries, be agreed to. Are we all agreed? The motion is therefore agreed to. That concludes decision time.