Yn ei arddangos, mae gennym o'n newydd yma i ac yn dygor, Rechyd yn ffaithion i'r modd yma yma eich bod nhw i chi'n gwneud cael eich bydd yn llaw, i'n wathio'r wydio nid i'm ddweud, mae'n ddych chi'n ddweud cael eich bydd yn llaw, ac dros I'n ddych chi ddych chi'n ddweud. Haidwch ym Gwownedraeth. Roedd yn y gwneud a hwyl i'ch gennym yma o'r rhai, a dwi'n meddwl 27 pwysig yma. Ac dyna yma chi'n gwael i'w erioed o'n ddech chi, Diolch yn fawr o'u gwislwtio chi'n poros. Felly yw go i'r cymdeithasol yn cael eu boddach yn fawr. O'r fawr. Fawr i fi o'n fawr pan rhaid. Fawr ei gwasanaeth yna dim filmau sydd wedi cyntaf erbyn. Felly mae'n gobeithio i mi a chael yw'r Ystafell o'r rhaglen. Mae dda i bobl yn yw 40-Alrightu 50 a gael mil yng Nghymru. A'r rôl yn bwysig o'r rôl. Born anbryd credu ar-ben i'w problème. Mae'r ymddynghau gan Sutwyd. ..a phobl o ynfer amoswn iawn, ac mae hyn i'n cerddol yn bwysig. Mae'r byw, a hon i bwysig a hwn wedi'ch bwysig i'r ziwledd. A gw navigation cymryd ystyniol a l witnesses y gwaith. Ond mae'r byw yn rhan, mae'r byw yn rhan o eu ddiddor. O'n gwaith arall y wath, mae'r byw yn rhan o'r byw i'n gwaith. Mae'r byw yn ferch. Ond mae'r byw yn rhan o'r byw, yn eu lle. Mae'r bobl yn yw. Mae roeddwch chi'n ei ei chy greu! You've had later say we'll talk about all that but your first sign was it Oldham? No, I was West Brom as a kid, I was 14 year old and Roy Horibyn an old scout picked me up I was playing for the town team in Burry and I went to West Brom as a year, as an apprentice and what I said they had Regis Caringham bats and they had a great side there and I was still Regis' apprentice and I remember the first day going I was only about three foot four at that time and this Regis has taken his top off and what am I doing here, a monster so I had the year there and Ronack and so I went to Man United, he took Brian Robson and Remi Moses with him, the new manager came in, Ronnie Allen and basically said you're too small you'll never make it, so I went oh really so that was me, I left West Brom at 15 and I went to Oldham Athletic at 16 and made my debut, Joel gave my debut at 16 and kept me on the team ever since for seven years so he put a bit of trust in a 16 year old which is rare in the days. Is that what you made your appearance? I made my debut at 16 in 1980 and he kept me on the side but it's a real boost from me, it was all second division, it was a championship now, it was a tough, tough league but it was what I'm not bringing, it was the best thing that happened to us. What height were you then Andy? I was about five foot eight so difficult but you overcome it, you get challenges and hurdles in your life, you get on with it but for Joe to put that trust in me it really gives you a lift you know because I know you were in England under 21s as well and who was the manager? Howard Wilkinson Brown, I got a call up for the 21s, Gary Bailey was the first choice, me playing the cup fine just before it and got injured, there's one that Gordon Smith missed it in the last bit so we're playing at the Fratton Park at Portsmouth so he's not playing that was his number two so obviously I'm going to be playing and we had a training session that morning and Howard Wilkinson was riding my coach at the time, Alan Hodgkinson he says I'm not going to play him, he's too small, he says I'm not going to play him, I'm going to bring the home keeper in which is Alan Knight so that was me, I found out what had gone on and that was me, I had to basically start my fingers up him but then years after that, too small, that was his shirt, he's too small, he'll never make it. We played lead in the Battle of Britain for the Champions League in 1991, 1992, 1992, 1993 and we're beating 2-1 here and we're beating 2-1 down the road at Elm Road. Coming off the pitch, who's the major, Howard Wilkinson? Still too small by the name, so the wheel turns around me, he'll come back and bite you. Did that ever affect you Andy? Would they say you're too small?  You can go one of two ways, I'm the type of character, you either breed off it or you just chuck it and the way my dad was and the way I am with two summer characters, I just have just gone showing basically, you can't just lie down and let it happen so he just got on with it but like I said, you're always a massive part, letting me play at 16, making mistakes and getting battered about in this anyway, I get off your dunes. You learn, you learn pretty quick. But I think that's for anybody watching, I think that's don't let anybody's judge your perception of you, change your career, it's only you it can fail. Lewis Ferguson, they said the same about Lewis Ferguson at Ibrox, he's no big enough for me, he's not quite this and not quite the other, went on now in Aberdeen, he's managed a week at Aberdeen. There's lessons there for young kids, don't take it on the, you've got to take it on the time, but go and prove it, go and show them.  Exactly and I think it's just for anybody to learn from that, don't let it dishearten you because only person can fail as yourself. After everything obviously old home learning and trade, was it Hibs? It was Hibs. You moved to Scotland? I went to training one morning and as I walked in Jorrell said, we've had a bid for you from Hibs, we're going up to Edinburgh. Out of the blue, totally out of the blue to me, it was Peter Cormack, it was his assistant manager and he spoke to Joe and he said we'll go up the road, he said I think it's time for you now, but at the time Andy Rox was a manager and he said rather you come and play in Scotland if you get a chance because I can see every week, I've just got the Scotland squad in 86, excuse me, so there's a perfect chance for me to go up there and be on stage for him and get the Scotland squad, but I didn't tell the messenger at the time, so we got to Edinburgh, she thinks I've gone training, so we got to Edinburgh that morning, four or five hours train journey, I was in the hotel in Edinburgh for an hour with Alex Muller and I signed a four year contract, that was it, an hour, so that was Joe, Joe got his money, so I've rang the message where I, she's going nuts because I'm late back from training now, I said I'm at Edinburgh, I've just signed a four year contract with Hibs, I'm very pleased here, I'm no going to Scotland, so that was, I ended the marriage number one, that's where the blink has come in there, my career was the big thing for me, obviously I wanted to play as high as level, I possibly can, so it's a come from the second division at 16, go on that bit and then go to the Premiershire. Did you have any effect only signing for Hibs? I played, so that was it, it was an ideal situation and the irony is my dad went left Hibs and he went down there and then it turned full circle, he saw me signing for Hibs and saw me my debut for Scotland in 1986, but he never saw me play for Rangers right enough, he died in 87, so it was a perfect, never could have planned my career, that'd be at seven years old and as a kid loin your trade, four years at Hibs and polish it up and then the big one to Rangers. You scored the goal for Hibs, I read that, I read that, I did my research, I'm a good intern, I'm sure you'll not mean a deal on my research, but you scored the goal, who was that against? It was against Morton, you remember it? Oh aye, Alex, I scored two that season, nothing has reached out so far. I fucked it, I let the only man be captain of the club for three or four years that was there, so you played Morton and it was the last home game in the season and he says, if you don't score three today, you're not getting your bonus, that's it, Morton were already relegated, so it's fine, they went one a lot, so now we're on the real pressure now, we need to score three, blah blah, so we get one back and I used to have half folly things everywhere, that was me, half follys and I was putting out the park over there, I was putting out the park over there, I was mis-kicking it and big gardener sent half his turn to me and he says, just fucking boot it, just boot it, so I was downhill with a wind mimi and I've launched this one, I've followed it and it's sailing, I'm like, that's not a badge, but David Wiley was a goalkeeper, he's came and tried and made it, blah blah, it's just bounced over, he said enough scored and we end up getting a third goal, we got a bonus and you don't celebrate, it's just strange when a goalkeeper scores because you feel for the boy at the other end, it's great, don't get me wrong, bad thing, what would I feel like if I got it against me? So, now you've just said that, we're allowed to swear on this obviously. So that was me, we played Clyde Bynch in a league cup game and it went to penalties, it was 0-0 and I capped in, I'll take the last one, probably thinking I'll not need to, the boys will do it first, kept in the last penalty, Jim Gallagher was in goal, the old Jim Gallagher, he's about 50 at the time and scored there, but that's a great day, it's four great years at times, I really enjoyed it there, especially probably because of my dad as well, the history of it. They've got a great set up man, they've got a great youth team as well, they always have, I've played with them back then. They were just saying that at the time, like some Mickey Weir and Johnny Collins were coming through the ranks and everything, but the good thing was I got to meet all the old players, Jimmy Rook in Pakistan and even Firibad in that, Laurie Riley, the guys that played with my dad, Tommy Younger, that was a goalkeeper. Did you play with them? No no, they played with my dad at the time, that's my dad was there just before, so to meet them as well and listen to their stories, about your dad as well, that's classic, great days, but as I said I couldn't have planned it any better, it's perfect uprising for me, the learning curve in the four years where you're getting into the Scotland squad, that's a six shot. And we all know your blood bleeds blue mate, so when you go at the phone call, who was at the phone just for the Rangers? I should have gone there before, Graeme Sooners spoke to me as a question of sport night in Glasgow and I've just hit the bar and Sooners came up to me and said, who's going to be the next Rangers goalkeeper and walked away and I'm like, we'll come back, like what's happening and that was it, that was it, but then it was first happened a year before and Alec Millard, he made it into a bit of an option, he wanted me to go back to Oldham, he didn't want me to, but Oldham came in with a bid and this time he tried to make it an option and ended up going nowhere, so me and him fell out and I ended up not going to pre-season and I just disappeared, usual idiot goalkeeper, I ended up going to Cowbridge for the Nethy Games, missed pre-season in Germany. What's the Nethy Games? The Nethy Games, it's Highland Games up at Cowbridge, so I disappeared up there in a half, get fine blah blah, missed pre-season, captain of the club, so I played that season, another good season for Ebb's week, we never won anything, but we're getting Europe twice in four years, so it's all right, we did all right, and then as soon as we left the club with three games to go, and that was my thing, well that's my move to Rangers, now he's away, so fair play to Gaffer, he's still coming to Gaffer, now Walkersmith, got in touch, he's still wanting to come because there's the three foreigner rule, he didn't want Chris to be the one on the foreigners to go keeper, he wanted the three outfield players to be foreigners, so really the three foreigner rule didn't exist, I've never got to Rangers because Chris was classed as a foreigner, born in the same country as me, so he said that I'm still waiting to come, and that was it, I was Walkersmith signing, so I was nearly last, after the start there, that was nearly last. Seam you went, was that one of your main objectives, was to play well and get a move to your boyhood heroes? You don't do it, as a young man, when you first started out when I was 16, 17, all I wanted was the personal credits, you want to be a man of match every week and it's all about me, because you're young, and then you go to Hubs and you're still then you want to say well, I'm here now, I want to prove myself at a higher level, but the older you get, and especially when you go to Rangers, Hubs and Rangers, you won't realise it's not about you, the older you get, you realise it's about the team, so it's a learning curve, but certainly older when I was a kid, it's me, I want to be the best ever and I want nine out of ten every week, it was me, me, me, so to go at the Hubs thing and then especially the Rangers, when you realise pretty quick, it's absolutely nothing to do with you, it's the big job lot. Right, late I said that was 91, would you want to double that, yeah? We came, replacing Chris Woods is not too great, not easy, five years of brilliance, different class, fantastic, fantastic, but as everyone well knows my first month at Rangers was an absolute fucking disaster, I've put us out of the European Cup against Sparta Prague, single-handedly, a fucks out league cup seven final against him, single-handedly, you get beat me hearts at Tyncastle 1-0, Scrop Crab scored from about 40 yards, I didn't mind that, I bit him for the first goal that day, absolutely a joke by the way, so my first month was a washout, it was a nightmare and the gaffer got me up the stairs the first time I went up the marbles and he just sat and we just had a right good chat, what he's expecting, what the fans, what the club expects and it was a really good chat, he's probably saying my career range is because they're three games, I just didn't want to go near the ball, which is not like me, I want to be involved but we played it every other minute just after it, I was frightened to death of the ball coming near me in case I dropped another ball, it's one of them and I get nothing to do that day every other minute, it's the best thing that happened to me and the gaffer said what's wrong, what do you think, I said I need my coach, I said Alan Hodgkinson, I had Alan since I was 21 down Oldham, so I was 26 then at a time, he says right so you got him up for two, three days a week, so that's me and a guru back together and since then that's Scott Crabgo for the next five, six years, it worked out great you know, I needed Alan Hodgkinson and someone to talk to, Roger was five for eight, played eight times for England and 22 years for Sheffield, so at five for eight in the days when he got smashed in the back of the net, so he knew my problems and the way I had to work as a small goalkeeper so. Jink that speed bump at the start then, made you anything better? Perfect, it was the best thing I've ever had to do, instead of playing a blinder for the first three, four games then. You could only go one way after that, but it was a perfect way, not ideal as in the club wise and results wise, it was a perfect way for the rest of the six years that was seven years I was there, the learning curve because then I've realised it's not too easy, people think it's easy playing for ranges, you've got to be a different animal to play for ranges or Celtic, you've got to be a different animal, mentally. It's the pressure isn't it, it's the pressures. I used to watch Chris at the other end, Chris Woods and I was at Ibs and he was getting one save a game, I'm like I fancy a bit of that, I was coming off the pitch black, covered in shite and getting beat four, five, nil and that, this is no for me, so then you had to come to a club like this to make one save and if you don't make that save, you're done. And that's why I'm the first few games that really knocked it home to me, it was good.  His man management was ridiculous, he was fantastic. Joe Royal, I was very lucky, Joe Royal had seven years with Joe, had seven years with the Gaffer and the dealings was for Alex, with Scotland, the Eagam and Scotland debut and obviously the Man United thing. And the three are so similar, you do well for them, they do well for you, but seeing a man management, the way they look after you and the way they treat you, but see if you cross him, jeez, oh, bad, bad people, if you cross him, but they do it at the right time, but I feel a bit for the Gaffer where everyone goes on about his man management, it takes away his coaching ability, he come in for games, we're playing European teams, they have no notes and they go through the team, this, that and that and that, you don't mind what Walter Smith's won without being a great coach. Archie Knox was the perfect number two, good cup, bad cup, Archie was a good cup actually, there was a Gaffer that was a bad bastard. I've had a couple of them off him, he's very good, but he's manmarised me, the way he treated people, he knew to cuddle and knew to kick, to get a reaction and to get a... He went back to the press at the right time, perfect I think. The 92 and 93 season, that was his season, he's won the treble that season in the European Cup semi-fino, some team, Hailey McCoy. That's the start of that season, you knew something was going to happen, the team we had, Trevor Steen would come back, blah blah blah. Right through the side we had a great side, we had a great run in Europe, and I said we won the treble, but now I still said to this day the European Cup thing, if we'd have had a bit of magic in that side, we were unlucky, bit of cheating going on as well and they get punished but nothing came to us, the other team has been awarded trophies and awarded this, we get nothing, but I still say we had a very, very good side, a really good side, we never had a bit of magic, we never had a coupe or a bikester or a gascoiner or a loudrop, if we'd have had one of them in 92, 93, I believe we'd have won the Champions League, really believe it, because in the final, we'd have got to the final and Milan were knackered, Marseille won one there with Basil Bully, but Milan were absolutely knackered, they were done, no matter who got in the final against Milan, I think they would have beaten, they were done, so if we'd have had one bit of magic, we'd have knocked it off. Does that stall sting? Aye, there's been a tappy thing, aye, aye, big time, but we didn't know at the time, so obviously if you know just after, you can do something, but it didn't come out for a good three years after it. Cos the beat is at CSK Moscow, I don't know if it's at 6-0 as well. The beat was at 6-0 as well, that's where we were.  All the Moscow players got washing machines and everything. Did they know off on Mark Katelyn money as well?   Mark's some boys single-minded that way. And he never thought any more of it. We played bruiser and he gets sent off and nothing.  So rather than the guy that spoke to Mark, he's not going to do it. They've got to the boy, the referee, to do it. Check that referee's paid? Aye, aye, definitely, there's nothing. I'm saying I definitely paid, but there's definitely something going on cos it was never sending off. And they got what they wanted, Mark Katelyn wasn't playing against Marseille. The 90 obviously, when did Gaza come in? 95? Gaza came in the eye. How was Gaza at the playway? Sensational.  You know, we had a great squad. And it's, it's well renowned. We're funny enough, we're in the Lown now. We used to drink in the Lown in Duke Street. This is the first time I've had a coffee in the Lown back 30 years. Changed man. So, and we used to drink in Duke Street together. Pays Road West, Belfast, wherever we went, we were all together. There was a squad of us. We were so tight, so close. It was probably a thing, we were probably too close to the fans. We'd drink with him in Duke Street and Glasgow in Pays Road West. We were too close, it was such a thing. And now you'll never see Rangers players in these places. Probably rightly so, cos the game's changed. But certainly that squad, and then when the gaffer came in and announced that Paul Gassman was coming. Wow, world star, great player. Amazing player, but just what we needed. Another crackpot. But this was the cream of the cake. Nah, he's just an amazing man. We didn't realise what we were going to get. And when the gaffer signed Brian Louder, I don't think he realised what we were going to get. I didn't think he realised how good he was. So for the two to come and play with it, I never played with Cootman Baxter at Rangers. God rest him, but to play with Brian and Paul in the same team. It's a sensation. All of us looked and think, this is us now. And we still never quite managed to get the European thing. But let's say we're able to play with it. Have they memories of these guys? These guys are world stars and they say guys actually played better at Rangers than they did at any other club. I think they had the best of them, no doubt. Which was mad. And they said the memories we've got of everything, but the problem is we can't remember half of them. But no, no, I think there's a bigger picture for the gaffer. The European thing was there, if we could have got it. And I know for a fact, when I signed, I get the last six. So you're looking at three, four in a row. And I think the bigger picture for the gaffer then, and he made us realise it then, was the nine in a row thing. So if you got a European cup on the way, it'd have been a massive bonus. But you never forgot that target, the nine. Massive for us. We get the 72 team, an amazing achievement, 72. Celtic had the nine. We needed to get that just to raise that one. It's strange, Celtic won nine in the year after they won nothing. We won nine in the year after we won nothing. They went similar paths. But that was a bigger target for us rather than... Who was the biggest man addressing them at that stage? Let's say a lot of big characters was Paul. That was the thing, they were all characters. Everyone was... Cos at least a character on off. They were all him and Geraint together.  But the good thing is if you had a bag there on Saturday, you'd come in the restroom and they'd lift you up to a million miles. You'd be back, you're the best goalkeeper in the world.  Someone had a bad game. You're the best. But see if you had a great game on Saturday. Who do you think? You are.  They too, just they too. See if you had a bad one. Are you trying to be cheeky to them? The two were destroying in two minutes. Oh, they're brilliant at it. But like I said, if you're having a bad time, they're the ones that are... We had a great squad of boys with... Yes, we did drink together. Probably more than we should have done. But if all the stories are true about us, we'll be in the jail. The gaffer always said that. Yeah, true. You know what I mean? I'm a trash. But the gaffer was that way. Go and do your thing during the week. But come in Saturday, play well and win.  If they keep you in a leash, everybody in a leash. He gave us enough root rope to tying ourselves. He let us go and have our thing during the week. We finished training Tuesday. Day off Wednesday. We'd be back in Thursday for training. Six of us would be in the same game. We left training on Tuesday.  But we'd go and win four or five nil Saturday. Everything's fine. But seeing the training pitch, we knocked out our pansing. That was a good thing. Everyone thinks we're just a drinking team where we had a bit of luck here and there. Every player with a gaffer did knock the pansing every day in training. Preceding it at Choco was just ridiculous. But there's going to be some sort of dedication and some sort of sacrifices later. I say it's all right for people going out and having a beffy. But he's won for nine years straight. I don't know what came first with that. We had a great squad of guys together. We used to go out drinking together. And it wasn't just three or four. Who all went out boozing? Everybody. Now that was our setting. It was a whole squad. Whole squad. No, no. No, the guys. Like a family. We spent more time with the guys. And we did with our wives. We were at the hotel Friday after the game after training for the game Saturday. We had a day out Sunday. So we weren't there Sunday. We trained Monday Tuesday. We've been at the hotel Tuesday for the game Wednesday. We were away five days a week. There's only two players out of that squad that are still married. That tells you something about that. See you, Dylan Finlay, was a divorce lawyer. He'd be a billionaire now. Well, we did. We spent a much time together. Because that's what I was saying. I don't know if that came first, the drinking we got so close our days out. Or we won that much. That was a celebration. I don't know what came first. It was a six and a half a dozen one. But Jank the Bond as well made his play better. Because like I said, I don't...  There's no really a bond where people go. Listen, I'm no promoting drink, but if you have a drink, there is a bond where people can connect with it and then it's like a family. So when you're on that pitch, you're going to die for each other. Nine times out of ten, it was a gaffer that instigated our days out. After training Tuesday, we go to... There's a restaurant in Glasgow of Parmigiana. We go there for the day. He would just pick the restaurant. But then the gaffer would leave at three, four, five in the afternoon and say get on with it. That was a Tuesday tea time. Like I said on the Thursday, boys are coming in. We've had two days out. But the younger boys that came in were with us then. See young lads? Barry Ferguson and that was he. Aye, Charlie Miller. But these kind of guys, if you get them a couple of drinks at a young gaze when we're all out together, they'll start saying things that you wouldn't normally say in a dressing room when they're sober. Might be because of fear or might be the massive respect. Of course it's into... Charlie Miller and Barry Ferguson come in playing with Gazzarine Loudup and Hailey and McCoys and all these as young rangers men. Amazing. But see we gave them a couple of drinks to start saying well I'd rather have the ball here and dare us.  They open up more. Correct. And that was a good thing about the... The gaffer always had that way about us.  But come Saturday. That's it. Game time. Ah magic. How was Barry Ferguson coming through the ranks? Did you know that he was going to be a player? A mile, you could say it a mile away. He was in the squad for the nine year old scene. I think you only played one game. I won game. That's amazing. I've lost money to that. I thought he played. I thought he came in the 10. But when you look at Derrick, Derrick and Barry are so different players. Derrick was a fantastic player. Great player. But he was so different. And even at young gauge Barry could see he'd get this mentality. It's a siege mentality with him. Nothing's going to faze him. As a young rangers man, a rangers fan to come in at Highbrocks and play and be around everyone. And the gaffer brought kids into the first team squad at young gauge to train with us to bring him along. Sandy Robertson, another one. Presley, Stephen Presley. He brought the old ones into the squad training every day with us. Alan McGregor. I had a minute. He was 15 year old. I was coming in the school days. School days he was coming in training with us. I had trained with Alan Hodgkinson. Get him involved with the first team. And it brings you on. And I'm not sure that's what helped. The likes of Barry and Charlie. Greeks. That's what helped him. Being around the first team and training with him. No point training with 15 year olds when you're 15. You're not going to learn anything there. Get him in the first team. Check that's because you played me when you were 16 as well.  I saw so much in Alan McGregor and me. We were so similar. See the way he caught the ball. I look at him now.  Well, it's the best sign he's made. And he's a great goalie. And I saw, I even look at him now when the balls hit the other in the pitch. I watch him probably in about the box and probably outside the box and when they get to the other end. It's exactly what I did. There's so much of him in me or me in him. And that's probably why I get so close. Not close to him, but so. I want him in the first team, training with the first team. Alan Hawkins, he was brilliant with him. Do you think he's learnt for you then? I'd like to think you learnt something. We were together for a while. You know what I mean? So you'd like to say, I, he did pick things up. I'm not going to say all the credit, but by Christ, what a goalkeeper. Between Low Drop Gazer who, if you were to pick one, who would you say? As a player. Yeah. The best player? Yeah. It kills me because the two different players, Brian, I think was, Paul Gasloin, he's just turned every game. On his day, he's amazing. He's probably most gifted footballer Britain's had. He's certainly the top five. When you look at Coop and Baxter and Genki, people are at best. He's certainly up there, Gasloin. But Brian, because you had a bit of wine celler. Well documented. No, no, Brian, he was just a perfect player. Perfect professional. And every day in training, every game, he's, I can't remember, having too many bad games. He was that consistent. But I think Brian, by the short heads, Paul was a close sign. I'd say Paul Gasloin was the best player I've played against.  What would you say your biggest season was at Rangers? 92-93? 92-93, but the nine-year-old season, obviously because of what it meant. But 92-93, we'd won the treble, undefeated in Europe in the Champions League. We had some size. We had some size. And at 92-93, we won everything and I get play of the year. Which is, it seemed ridiculous to me. See, this season, I think all my garage is going to get play of the year. And we'll end up near the top. Hopefully we'll win a trophy. You think you don't get 25 clean sheets, or something like that? I, but when you win a treble and you're nearly in the European Cup final, you're expecting the centre forwards going 30 goals, McCoys and Haley, something like that. So that's how you'd ask it was. I was making one saving again, but it was one that we needed. Which is like McGregor's doing right now. But I think you're discrediting yourself because the saves you made that was world-class saves. Another question, which is your best save ever?  The van hoid on one out there were three each. That's as good as it gets for me. The volley. I could try that a hundred times in training. It never happened. If you make a good saving in an old-form game, it becomes a magic save because it's the old-form. Right. So I've already made the same save against Patrick Thistle, and we're five-nil up. It'd have been a great save. Because it's Celtic in the situation again, it's a ridiculous save. But that's up there now. That's a world-class save. And later say, that save still gets spoken about to this day. Aye. All you want to do when you sign through ends, I've said it all along. The gaffol, when I first signed, he says, what are you expecting? As well, I'm expecting a few trophies. I said, but in the day, all I want to do is contribute. Whoever signs your ranges, contribute. Do something to help the club if you're here for a season, a 10 seasons, contribute. That's all you're asking for. And now, thank God, after about seven years there, you look back, and I have contributed. It's so proud of it, and it does make you feel I've done something there. And you should be a part of it. Aye, because there's no just contributed. You've left that, you've left a legacy, you've left history, Andy, which is always going to be there. And then, you hope, I'm sorry, interrupt me. That's all right. You're looking like, say, Hailey and McCoy, some of these. They've played that game, and you hopefully look at kids and younger players at Ibrox thinking, I want to be like that. And I was just saying now, young goalkeepers at Ibrox, that have gone on and played at other clubs. I'd like to think, they were like, I want to be him. So that, in the days, it was all sitting forwards, goal scorers. And they all changed. And a lot of kids wanted to be goalkeepers. And defenders, but they had big off from that coming in. So kids now want something else. So there's going to help somebody along the way and I've contributed. That's all you can ask. Because everybody, let's say, when I put up my social media, we were coming on, it was a massive hype, because people, like, you've been voted Rangers best goalie, which is some achievement. And I don't think people, the credits are for you and you've done amazing. And let's say, to one or eight trophies, is sitting on Andy, you should be proud of yourself. You're getting a whole family in the greatest goalie in this. And it's amazing when you look at some of the goalkeepers who have gone past Jody Nevin and Browning. Even if you look at Stefan Kloss and Chris Woods. Chris. People like that is Jerry Neve. What a group of goalkeepers to be picked the best of.   Goffin Brown especially. That was my gang. So I was very lucky to play in that era. I was a lot of goalkeepers I never got to mention because they played in teams that never won much and didn't do much. But we were fantastic goalkeepers. So I was lucky in that way but we looked after each other and I did my bit and I'm proud of it. Did anybody ever come in for you when you were at your pick at Rangers? The real story when I went to Tenerife I was injured, we played under United in the Scottish Cup final. I actually met you in Tenerife. You're very old then boys. That's right. I actually met you. You probably know me about it in the meet. I've got four of you with you. I can't remember four goals. I can't remember four goals. I actually met you in Tenerife. The guys would get away for a week and I was never going to play in the Cup final.  Get a bit of sun. I agree. Great. Went with a family. Met the old and guys. They've just been relegated. I'm not saying for years. So I said to them, I said you go to the beach I'll stay and I'll have a cup of drink. So I'm not saying I agree. They came back up for the beach. Five o'clock. I'm still with the boys. I said I'll be up there now for something to eat. We were leaving six in the morning. I woke up at two o'clock in the afternoon and Mike Milligan played with Oldham in his room. Two o'clock in the afternoon I've got a pair of shorts, t-shirt, flip-flops and about 40 quid in my pocket. I've missed my flight. So me, Daphne, things are as well just staying for a while now. So I stayed for another four or five days. End up in a a ramyw with a Dundee United fan in Veronica's. Tired me a smart one. Tired of flinging who kept me in. End up knocking them out. As you do. I'm dressed in a t-shirt. So I never play in a cup final. I came back in the gap and I put my transfer list which is rightly so. That breakgap. I kill me. I was in tears and I never forget it up in his office. And all the boys right that day for a lot of players were getting freed. A lot of players were getting new contracts. It was in the scene where they're getting told what's happening.  Nice clock. I'll see he's going to get ready me here. And rightly so. He's got me down. He's putting on a transfer list. I'm not ashamed to say crying. I said just give me another chance. He said no I said he's done. So that summer I went on a diet. It was your aunt's wedding. Went on a diet. I'd get my bus. Self-backfit and everything perfect. Pre-season. Nobody came in for me that summer. So that was a good thing. Pre-season started and waited a chuckle. I've lost all the weight. I'm the lightest I've ever been flying. And then a month into the scene in the Gafford he said you're fine. You're off the list. That's you. But he said he didn't say at the time years after that we're at a dinner and someone asked him a question at the tail he said you want a dinner. What do you want a soul in with you? Who wouldn't? He just saw me in two minutes. If someone had came in for me I'd been gone. That's that's that's how ruthless he is. But he's ruthless for a reason. Even if it's a club he loves. Even if you've done for him in what time. Irrelevant. Irrelevant. He'd have got someone else to replace me. It's like Chris Weds. He couldn't hold on to Chris Weds. So he's got someone to replace him. The club's here forever. Plays will come and go. You know, the soul's saying no one's bigger than the club blah blah but you'll always get a replacement. No matter who's there you'll replace McCoy's and you'll replace him. It might not be as good but you'll get a decent one. You replace me, you replace anybody. But it's the fact that nobody came in was my life's ever. I'm surprised nobody came in. But again that's to show how good these managers are. Show off for it in the dressing room. Because the Rangers fans love you because you are proper. Let's face it. I've no regrets in my life. None. On the pitch. You get a deal. You get dealt with set of cards at the start of your life. It's how you deal with them. I've not a regret apart from that one I disrespected Walter Smith. I never came back. And that's my only thing that I'm discussing to myself about in my football career. That I disrespected him.  But to disrespect Walter Smith after what he's done for me in the ways he's looked after us over the years. That's my biggest disappointment and I was I was disgusted in myself what happened. At the time you think I'd this is alright because we were talking about earlier consequences. You've got a face of consequences. I didn't realise the consequences at the time. So that's my one big regret. When you started because I think your brother in the last Scottish school was the planner. A world fine. The finals at a World Cup. The Euros. When was your first Scotland call up? 86 East Germany. I was at Oldham.  Jim Lenton was I was only a kid. He had Alan Ruff and Jim Lenton. Two good goleys. Jackson had passed away. Unfortunately the terrible. And it was Jim and Alan Ruff. And Sir Alex wanted a younger keeper to come through. There was nothing really in Scotland at the time. Campbell Money was a young kid then. He was part of it and I suppose Henry Smith was there and Brian Gunn. But Sir Alex brought me in. Into the 86 squad and we went to Mexico. It made us an experience. Then something happened in Los Angeles off the pitch. And he made Alan Ruff number three. For some reason. So I then became number two in the World Cup in Mexico. I remember sat in the dugout thinking anything that happens to Jim Lenton here. I'm writing a shite. I was only a kid. I was only 22 or something. So that was a magic experience. Did you play in my few games for Scotland? I never played in a World Cup. I played in qualifiers. We've only qualified for two European championships. I've played in them, both of them. So nowhere can take that off me. In Sweden and obviously England. But to not play in a World Cup. There's a killer. Cos that's the pinnacle. That's the. The old saying.  That's it. I've not played in a World Cup. Was it the last one you played in? Was it a 96? The Euros?  Aye. Let's see. The last one we qualified was a 98. So the one there last. That's the one I was in America. And I was told I wasn't going to be playing. My contract was up at Rangers. And people say I walk out. The way the press put it, I've walked out. And there's a lot of bollocks out. I gave Craig Brown. I wrote a letter to him saying that's me. I've retired from international football. Cos I was told that I wasn't going to be playing in France. There's no point I'm going to. If I can. That double was a 34. 32. I came on. There's no point I'm going to. A guy my age sat on the bench in a World Cup. Put a young kid on the bench to Jim Whitton. Don't put me in the bench. Plus we're away for a month. If I get injured, I've broke my leg. And I've no contract with them. When that's my contract up at Oldham. I don't get another club. And at that age you're going to struggle them to get a club. So I made the decision. I'm retiring. But no, cos it's a goalie. He's walked out. After that, Jim Leighton a few years later. Had a shocker on a Saturday. And a double header. Did exactly the same on the Monday. Before the game on a Wednesday. But because it's Jim Leighton. He retired from international football. But cos I've got the character I am. He's walked out. We both did exactly the same thing. Right? So but at least I gave him a couple of weeks notice. He could get somebody else in. Sollwyn came. But no, it's just the nature of the animal. And it's because I did it. It's... Ninety-six obviously. That goal with Gaza. They probably voted. I don't know if it's... Yeah, great interview. Thank you. How was it with the two years after that? No bro. I'd rather Paul scored that goal than any other English man. Paul is the only man that could score that goal. Right? I'm just glad I'm in history at Wimley. Because they voted the best goal ever. And rightly so. But we missed apparently 45 seconds before that. And Gaza's got it, and you think. We're in a bit of a bother here, blah blah. And he's put it over a call of Henry's head. And it's hit my fingertip. I was six inches out of position, in fact. And I'm looking back thinking I'm just six inches out of position and it's cost us. I was raging. They've won the game, blah blah.  I'm thinking I'm worse than anybody in training. If we get beaten in training, I'm a nightmare.  I've seen Paul coming over it and I've looked at him. He's obviously coming at a big daft smile. He's getting his new teeth and all that.  I just looked at him.  After the game we were in the bar and we spoke for about half an hour. We had a good cup of drinks. And he never mentioned it. I'm like, I've got a way with this one. Right? Normally I'd be getting a reading. Never mentioned it. So my first day in training, the scene after Ibrox adreswn was massive adreswn. I'm walking in. I can hear a commotion in the dressing. I'm like, what's going on in here? I've won the door. Gaza has got two big police cones at the end of the training, at the end of the dressing room. There's goals. There's a beach ball in the middle of the goal, which was me. There's a wee cone with a mop head sticking out of it, lying on its side, which was Colin Henry. And as I walked in, Gaza's flicked over the mop head, smashed it past the beach ball. I went, is that where it was? But then he went and laid down and the coach was squirting water in his mouth. They'd set it all up for me. So I caught for it when I got back. I said, I'd rather him score that goal than anybody else, but there's only him capable. That's collage, man. That's collage, but you later see it. But it seemed annoying, but it seemed when you scored and they planned all that. He's actually thinking about what's going on in here. He says, the confidence in him and the level he's at, I'm going to score here and see what I do. I'll lie down and you all come and squat work. They planned it, the celebration, which means for me, he's thinking, I'm just going against this lot. Especially when he's playing in Scotland. I just showed you the confidence that's where I hid. That's just shows you the talent that he hid. Genius. And I think he's one of the best players. He was one of the best players I've ever seen in Scotland. Because he's running in these. It's the character as well, are you man? It's the character that even the Celtic fans loved again. Because it's his character who's such a good man. He did down the old family, the Celtic Rangers thing, even with myself. He done the respect there. You might not like each other for a certain period of time, but he done the respect. We respected the likes of the Genki, Muravcic, the Canyl. I used to love watching the Canyl play. Great player. You respected Peter Grant and people like that. Excuse me. Because you understand their love for the club and their hunger for the club and the passion for the club. You understand that is the same kind of thing in blue. They respected Llywodraff and Gascoyne. Yes, they have. Couping back to myself. Goffi, the closer it is. There's a hatred there in the 90s when it was bitter. But she now, as years go on, they go, here's a player. Aye. We'd said the same about the Celtic players. The pomex there. Muravcic with people like that. Great players last in the idea. Of course you don't like it when you're playing against them. There's a massive respect need them. But you broke later. See, you broke many, many hearts. And even Tommy Buns says that your name was broken. He was a great man. He was a great man. I nearly apologised and broke all the hearts. I nearly apologised and broke all the hearts. Tommy was one of the nicest men you'll ever meet in your life. Even the Rangers boys in the Scotland squad. We probably respected Tommy more than the Miser at some point. He used to come in doing all the training sessions and that. And it tells your story when there's Rangers people at the funeral and carrying the coffin like they did with Couping backster.  Of course there is.  Which is probably wrong. It's the nature of the beast. That's the way it's always going to be Andy. In the 90s it was that better. It was the 90 minute bigots, the songs and everything. Singing songs that were killed by anybody. At Ibrox in the 90s it was hatred. But that's what made the game that good. It was a massive game. It's the biggest game in the world. It's the biggest old film in the world. It's the biggest game in the world. It's the biggest game in the world. It's the biggest art being in the world. A pinion. Ray Wilkins, God rest in him, said the same. He's playing dabs in London in Italy. Mark Haley, Milan Dabi, Monaco Dabi. They all say it's the biggest game that they've played. It comes from them. I'm not going to argue it. It's the best game in the world. I'll argue it. It's the thing you see in Manun Leverpool when that's there. Obviously it's not. But you see more players getting a photo each other. And the fans getting a photo each other. That's been happening not recently this year. But in years gone by since we left, shaking hands and cuddling each other in the tunnel.  You want to go and have a pop-up here? You want to shake hands? Of course, it's a problem. We won a lot of the games in the tunnel. Not against Celtic. But most of the time against Celtic, you're on the shirt and they're ball at each other. Before the cameras were in the tunnels, in the days. But we won most of the games in the tunnel. They were frightened of us. Teams were beat before they came, Ibrox. Because of the characters we had. The men we had. Powerful. And the fans. But not a fan. That's a given. When we get put down to the third division. I don't think there's any other club in the world that are supported a club like that. Amd. Do you think there's been any underrated players at Rangers that you would say should have got the knowledge that they deserve? There's a lot of players that played in nine-year-old that didn't play for any length of time. But they did a great job for us. Gary Bowlin was only there. He was young lad, came. Did his thing. He was never going to be a superstar at Ibrox. But he was a cog in the wheel. Alex Cullen came. Fraser Wishart came. He had met himself. He's not the most gifted player that's ever been at Ibrox. But he had the job. He said he had the easiest job in the world. Just get the ball and give it to Brian. Happy birthday. He loved it. Must have been a dream to play with him. The guys like that. Scott Nisbyt had a chance to leave the club soon as through the book at him. Pick a club. I'm staying. And he stayed and played in the Champions League. Scored in the Champions League. He still thinks he chipped the boy against Bruges. He thinks he chipped him. But players like that that do the wee bits. Without them, we'd be knackered. Bo Anderson came and scored goals at times for us. Wasn't there for a long time, but did his bit. Teamwork, didn't it? Was more joyous than it was when you were saying it was more there? More, I think. What was he? What was the script? How was that? I've always said that. More's a great lad. We've all got our beliefs whether he should have been at Ibrox or not. I had to have him sooner or later. But could you imagine when you signed a bad Catholic player? Morris Johnson scored 50 goals in 100 games for Rangers. Great player. Great lad. See an address to him? Magic. Oh, Magic. Fantastic player. But she tried to tell what the Rangers fans are and they're not having it. They've got the preconceived idea, which is fine. You've all got your beliefs. The belief's different. I said you imagined signing a bad Catholic player. Wow. Then you're in trouble. I don't know if he won't sign again with them. What a finisher. I think he's one of the best strikers in Europe at the time when we got him. He came for nuns. Is it soonest?  But the big ones that he'd been paraded by Celtic in the Hoops. And if you had, I was playing cricket for Scotland in Ireland. And before I got over, it was a four-day game. And before I got over, I've seen Morris in the Hoops with William McNeill. That's a signing for them by the way. He's at nuns. He was the top scorer. He was absolutely brilliant. As I say, he was probably the best striker in Europe at the time. Well, that fuck's going to be harder next season for us. So I'm playing a four-day game in Ireland. I think it was Balhide, a Clintaf. I can't imagine. And it was the third day of the game. And the umpire, he's now his umpire. And he had a glass eye, right? And he had a limp. He's also got a bad leg, right? And I've come on to bowl. And he turned to me and says, Morris Johnson just signed for rangers. I'm looking at him that. Really? This should be born in England. Playing cricket for Scotland in Ireland. I've seen more in the Hoops. A one-eyed, one-legged umpire just told me he signed for rangers. I said, I'll give you no chance. I'll get hit for six round first ball. I'll just pitch to myself. Sure enough, came off with pitch and there's press everywhere. What do you think Morris signed for rangers? But the thing was he depraided him without signing him. But by all accounts, and I know it's true, Morris knew months before that he was coming to rangers. But he still went through with the Celtic thing. There you go. He told me Coyce months before in a Scotland game. He said, how do you fancy playing with me all the time? But Coyce, he thought it was the Scotland job. He thought he was playing with Scotland, he went. No, but Coyce swore not to say anything. So Morris knew months before he was coming to rangers. So why did the parade just to... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, that was soon as... He had to go along with it until soon as he got the deal done. So Bill McMurdo must have been the best agent in the world at that point. That's one of the biggest... I think that's one of the biggest stories to be standing at park. He'd been getting paraded but I'd say like that. I didn't sign for rangers the next day. And I think it's kicked rangers on furthering in a row because that was the season that rangers won. Yeah, it's what started it on it. But when you look down some of the signs we made, like I said, gas going on loud up in Morris, it's a JFK moment. You know exactly why you were at that moment. Was it a term? I don't know. He knows that. Don't get me in broad. He certainly wasn't for the use of his eyebrows. I think people kind of... All the younger ones kind of forget that story, but this is a guy who we stand at park idd by a sellaic tap. Or a sellaic fan is getting paraded and then it had arrangers tap the next day. It's on in Mwsoonys. Fentl. That's how it is. But fair play to him.  God rest him. He was this amazing man, old Dori. And I don't know who it was, Jimmy Bill or something, he says, yeah, who were we going to sign? What's all this commotion? Who were we going to sign?  Maurice Johnson. Morris is in the cubicle. Unbelievable. That was it. When obviously, when your arranger's career started, when it came to an end, Andy, did you know it was coming to an end? The gasp of that shock led it to slip in the middle of the scene that it was leaving at the end of the scene and people think that caused us not winning 10 in a row. There's a lot of bullets. Apparently there's a bad story coming out about Walter leaving saying that he's leaving at the end of the scene and blah blah. So rather than something negative come out about the club that the gasp was leaving, he's got wind of it and declared it himself to take the pressure off and bad things come out of the club. When we had a shite game, he'd take the blame for it. Good managers do that. It's a good manager of that. And when we won, we get all the praise, which is fine. So that's what he did announced he was leaving. Walter Smith announced he was leaving did not cause us 10 in a row, contrary to what a lot of people think. We were to blame the players. Nobody else. It was our fault. Nobody else. Selling Paul Gasquam my eight games ago killed us a wee bit. So one of our best players ever he went eight games ago. I still believe if Paul had stayed we'd have won the double. I really believe that. But it was a player's fault. It was nobody else. We took the players when we won nine. It's our fault. We never got 10. But could you imagine if we lost a ninth? Kicking a box that had been because we never get time to win nine again. So to lose a 10th, if we won the 10th it would have been a bonus. But devastated to lose it. But at the same time we always look back and think we've achieved what we've set to achieve. Get the nine. 10th would have been a bonus. But certainly the gaffer said he was leaving and nothing to do with it. It was it was it was our fault. We didn't know where we were going.  Advocat didn't even have the box I come and tell us himself. So I took Advocat to my mum's favourites. Is that? We are right at one down there. Sir Alex must have loved you. The case you ended up with, Bueno, did you know how did that come about? I went down South third the wee bits at Knox County and I was at Coventry for six months and gone and tracking. An, I came back up the road to Muddlewell. And I had two years at Muddlewell, Billy Davis, maybe captain, two years. We had two great years. The Dormans strand Godwressim's away. Peter. On the road. It's a family. It is a family. And I guarantee they go round the houses at Christensen Gymnacard rather than come out of Ibrox and Cairnson. He looked after everybody's Sir Alex, everybody. The secretaries, TV ladies, the tiny and iron age they've been here. The family's been here for five decades. Five generations. Without people like Jimmy Bill, the Ketman, Dory, without people like that at the club it doesn't work. And we forget them as well. They played a massive part with us in Nine of the Robe. Same at Cainton Sir Alex had people round the button in the club, in the training ground. And everyone felt part of it. They all felt the same. And it's exactly the same at Ibrox. It's amazing for, like I say, to have your dreams rangers man you out and to play for the two clubs unbelievable. That's a lot of visualisation but that's a lot of belief that you can achieve it and that's a lot of belief for the hard work and the dedication and the toughness that... I kick in the box as a young kid. But it's how you react. It's not what it was. Even mistakes, it's not the mistake you make. It's how you get over it. And it's the same kids that are involved in football. I've had a wee dunk. You've got to hit it head on. You can't just lie back and let it happen. Fit more soft than handy. No. It's softer. But you see players that range in my time and Celtic certainly as an example. Man United. See if anyone's struggling in the dressing room. See if they've got a problem off the pitch. We'll sort it out with you. And that's where it was. Man you won it in that season. You won the league. Did you? Did you get a medal on that? So Alex let me have a medal. That's brilliant on that. I'm the only goalkeeper ever to win the English premiership and the Scottish premiership. It's some achievement mate. I played two games but I did it.  Who was on the Man Ut team then? The Stam Beckham gigs but the whole lot. They were all there. My debut was Coventry. We won 4-2 against Coventry. John Hartzyn scored 2. So I'm all flying. Old Trafford. Before the game. I've got all the family there and everyone's there.  He was at school at the time.  My dad's playing for Man United. Well that was him on it. So Rolly and blah blah came out. We won 4-2. I'm coming off the pitch. So just going up the tunnel. And Alex put his arm around me. He said did you enjoy that son?  He said good. He said good job we signed you before we won the league. Sorry after we won the league. That was his way of bringing my bag down north. Good job we signed you after we won the league.  He's brilliant. But that's where they were. I think that's unbelievable mate.  Let's face it. And you're one of the best rangers players. I've had to walk out of my eyebrows. The good thing is that even the charity games we play. You've played them. Even the charity games we play. It's Celtic of Rangers. And it's washed in the dressing room with A games. But you're playing with amateur guys as well. There's four or five of the players. But there's amateur guys there. All they want to do is kick lump. It's the same in the dressing room. And we get a bigger kick now. Just pulling the jersey on. We've played the two legends games here. AC Milan and Man United. We beat United 1-0. We beat Milan. We beat United 4-1 and beat Milan 1-0. Milan made Maldini, Costa Corte, Bresi. We had a good side. The legends out there. It was a great day. But see to come here and pull the shirt on again. I did a penalty shoot out last year here. And to put the rangers shirt on and go to Ibrox again.  We love it. Even at our age. We love it. The charity games.  Right morning. Doesn't matter what level you're playing at. As soon as you see the hoops. Right morning. And it's the same with him. But obviously I'm rushing my achilles in Hullford. So that's my second one. I'll never play again. But still, even the game there on the 27th. Morning.   It's your life. It's your life. It's not just a team you played for. It's your life. And I think that's the best way to look at it. I think a lot of people should take things for what you're saying today. Because like I say, your career is just career thinking on me. It speaks for itself.  You're one of the best goalkeepers ever to play in Scotland. If not the best. But it didn't just come here. I mean for the young ones out there. It didn't just fall on your lap.  But the prize is there if you do. Another story before we finish up. How did the cricket come about? Because I know you love cricket. Lancashire. I was born in Lancashire. Cricket. Cricket football. I signed for West Brom this Sunday. I signed for Lancashire Cricket Club. I was on the ground staff at Lancashire. I wanted to play cricket. And I went further at football quicker. So the cricket took second stage. But I played in that age.  So I get a good cricket season in me. So I played for Lancashire. And then when I came up to Scotland. I just took it up for that. When I signed my hibs. I went and played for Penicook. What's the graph wasn't as you happy about. But I played for Penicook. Ended up getting the Scotland call. I was decent. I loved my cricket. So to play cricket. There's only two people play cricket and football for Scotland. There's me and Scott Simon. The Orange's Miser. What a connection. So I went to Kelso Cricket Club. Just after that. And then I went to Rangers. The Gath was giving up. I signed for a million pounds. Taking over Chris Woods.  And he says, Not the cricket on the nut. I said Gath was cracking cricket. He said, Knock it on the nut.  I bought you for a million pound. I'm no bother about you.  So my last game was against Australia. You must have been only Western Scotland. Go let you play for Scotland football. And Scotland cricket then? Well, no, no. I only goalie. But Scott Simon was, He wasn't Australia. I played Australia when I was at Hibs. And Alec Miller, he said, You're not playing. I said, Can I tell you something? The world champions at the time of Australia. Great side. I said, Can I tell you something? Captain at Hibs.  He said, You're playing. I'm going to find you two weeks wages.  Find what you want. I said, King at the Sun. I said, I'll give you the exclusive. After the game, You pay my fine. No more at all, son. So that was me. But against Australia. Magic. When it all comes down to it, If you pick one ranger's player, to having your start line up first out of everybody, who would it be? I can pick one. It's got to be the two, John Brown and Richard Goff. That's seven years, six, seven years with him. That's my guy. First two in the team sheets straight away. Layton, Ad Miller and McLeish. Blah, blah. Now, Palliser and Bruce. Wesh, Michael. It's a gang. See, the fullbacks in that day, they do the wee thing. And the U3, that's all that matters. And that's where I feel for McGregor just now.  But it's not that people say, you know what they're going to do. That's totally the other way. You know what they're not going to do. They're not going to get pulled at a position there. So I can put myself in a situation knowing there too, exactly where they're going to be. So without them two, I'd have been knackered. They too were unbelievable. In training every day, I'd play behind the entry in the exercise. I'd play against McCoy every day. I could say against him, I'd say against anybody. But that's a gang. So they too, in my days at Ibrox, that's the big me. And they too, the rest get on with it. Best select play you've ever played against? The Canyon. I never played against Larson. Parking and that and Maravchick. But the Canyon, I love watching them play.  I just think he's a genius. And yeah, biggest of the game for Rangers. What game would you say it was? The Battle of Britain. That was the one down it. Leeds.    The dressing room was magic just before the game.  And if you watch the video, watch him coming out of the tunnel. Mental. Mental. To the Fort of Grannies that night.  But the goals we scored and we defended, got from Brown and Magic. The goals were brilliant. And everyone on that night, I watched that game out there on the 27th, the Celtic game. Every player was brilliant. There's something there. That's like the old Rangers. The old Ibrox, the old atmosphere. And that night on the road, that was just outrageous. What a result. We were the drunkest men on the planet that night. First in the dressing room, Sir Alex. The hatred with Leeds and Man United. He was first in the dressing room. But we were the drunkest boys on the planet that night. Magic. Great days. Great days. Do you reminisce, does it bring back a lot of emotion? Aye. Even after the game there, we beat Celtic. There's a tear in your eye. It was up in the lounge, in the palm of my hands. My Cloud invited us to the games. There's a tear in your eye there. Because it means so much, not just the players in the manager. To us, it's Steven Gerard. What a job he's done. What do you think, Steven? I think there's going to be a similar character to Sir Alex in the gaffer. The way he goes about it, the way he speaks. If we can bring another couple of players in, the Steven Davis one, if that happens, and they're talking about the four, and even Daniel Sturridge has got to mention to come in on one. See if we can get another couple of big ones in. We'll never have a better chance of winning this league. But my one gripe with Gerard, get your boots on. There's nobody on this planet can tell me that Steven Gerard is not as good or better than what we've got just now on the pitch. Nobody can tell me on the planet that Steven Gerard, if he pulls his boots on right now, wouldn't improve our team. Get your boots on. Thanks, sir. You imagine... They're sad. You imagine if they read the team sheet out. Number seven, Steven Gerard. What? The whole stadium had gone nuts. The players must get a lift if they've seen Gerard played. Get your boots on. Keep the cars away from the pilities. Get your boots on. There you go, Steven. Get your boots on. And listen, for coming on here, I didn't tell you the story mate. I think it's unbelievable. I appreciate it. You're a great guy, absolute legend man. A bit of respect for you. And honestly, I've made it further. I really enjoyed this. Everybody will be looking forward to it. I appreciate that. Good man. I just want to say thanks to my sponsors, Collins and Morgan and A&M events. You'll see the what information you've got after this. I just want to give a shout out to my young cousin, Dean Bates, who actually passed his driving test. Congratulations, wee man. And I want to dedicate this podcast to my young uncle who sadly taken away from us a few weeks ago. I just want to say, rest easy young brother. And I love you. I love you. And I do with you, with all your friends and photos after this podcast. So, cheers and a great, again, Andy boy. Congratulations, brother. Thank you. Have a great new year, man. Oh, sorry. Shout out to Robert Marshall for letting us use it loud and great guy.  But thank you. See you soon, Andy. Cheers, mate. 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I'm Rusty Komori, and this is Beyond the Lines on Think Tech, Hawaii. I was the head coach of the Punahou Boys varsity tennis team for 22 years, and we were fortunate to win 22 consecutive state championships. My books Beyond the Lines and Beyond the Game are about leadership, creating a superior culture of excellence, and finding greatness, which is what this show is all about. My special guest today is the co-founder of the very popular Doctors of Waikiki, and he's also my personal doctor. He is Dr. Alan Wu, and today we are going beyond urgent care. Hey, Dr. Alan, welcome to Beyond the Lines. Hi, Rusty. Thank you for having me.  I mean, I've seen everything that you and your co-founder, Dr. Tony Tropkovsky, you know, do at Doctors of Waikiki, and it's absolutely fantastic, but I want to start at the beginning. Tell me where you were born, and how were your early years growing up? Well, first of all, thank you for having me on the show. I'm very happy to be on the show, and I'm honored to be your doctor. I'm a local boy. I was not born in Hawaii, but I grew up here. I was born in time one. My family and I immigrated here when I was eight years old. I went to public school, very proud of Pro City. I went to Pro City High School, and I kind of grew up in Waikiki also, where my parents had little souvenir shops. So it's just really awesome for me to get to come back home and practice here and open Doctors of Waikiki and to a familiar place that I grew up in. Well, Dr. Allen, your family is super cute.  Oh, they're great. My wife and kids are just... They're my spiritual support. And in that picture, you also see my mom, whose I have a very close relationship with my mom. As most first generation immigrant family, we're very close knit. My parents sacrificed so much for us, and it was through the wise upbringing that I contribute where we are today. I do have a younger brother, and we were both very fortunate to have our parents, my mom and dad are super. I have a very supportive wife. I'm hardly ever at home. I work about 60 to 80 hours a week, and my kids are super awesome. On my days off, I do just dedicate my entire time just taking care of both of them, doing fun stuff, going out, going to the beach, going to the park, teaching them how to do hoverboards now, scootering for the young one. My little princess, two-year-old, just turned to amazing. My big guy is 11, and we're just doing a lot together. So it's just wonderful. I like hearing that, Dr. Allen. And I know that you graduated from the University of Hawaii Medical School. How was that experience for you there? I think it was very fortunate. For me, I was able to be accepted. I had John Burns a long time ago before the new med school is built. So I actually went to school in Manoa where the old med school was. And that was a wonderful experience. I was accepted in a couple of different medical schools, but I chose to stay home and be around my family and friends, which is a great support. And it's a very difficult task to complete med school. So I was very fortunate. I was able to have all of their supports throughout that. So Dr. Allen, after graduating UH Medical School, what did you do after that? I was very fortunate. While I was in med school, I had a full scholarship through med school with the U.S. Army. I got selected to be a part of greatness, being a part of our uniform services. So after med school, I was matched at Walter Reed National Presidential Hospital in Washington, D.C. It made a lot of headlines recently because that's where usually all the presidents and all the vice presidents, all the senators and our Congress will go for healthcare. And it's dedicated also to take care of our service members. So I was very fortunate to train there at world-class training, world-class facility in Washington, D.C. Yeah, I mean, that's amazing, Dr. Allen. I mean, that's where President Trump went when he had COVID.  And I wanna ask you more about your military experiences in the Army. I know you were in the Army for 15 years, but can you tell me about some interesting, impactful stories? Oh, it's, let me tell you. Being in the military, it's really rewarding. And what was really rewarding for me was actually I got to deploy and I got to serve my country during our confrontations in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was also fortunate enough after Walter Reed was to be deployed. I was in Germany. I was also in Afghanistan. And I did a lot of great things for our service members. I was a frontline doc. I worked at a FOB and I was part of FST for surgical team. So we were the first positions of medical providers at point of injury. So we will pick up our injured service members and stabilize them to make sure that they are able to survive the long trip home because of their injury. And we did surgery in tents. So it was just like how you imagine watching MASH back in the day. That was real life. And I was in Afghanistan for 12 months. It was a very hectic 12 months. One the most memorable thing was we were also the team that actually captured Osama bin Laden when I was there. So I was part of a lot of historical events when I was there. Wow, talk about impactful. That's amazing being part of the team on that bin Laden situation. And I wanna ask you a little bit more about Afghanistan.  Well, like I said earlier, we were on the four surgical team. I was in a very hostile environment in Afghanistan. It was in the hillside of the Himalayas was the Pakistani and Afghanistan border. I was at an area called Wardak province. Wardak, as you can hear, there's the war in it. It was very hostile. We were shot at every day. The Afghanis tried to overrun our compound many times where we actually have to defend ourselves throughout this confrontation. Even though we're there to serve our country, we have to fight for our lives. But we were also able to take care of them. So our whole purpose there is not only to stabilize, but also try to win their hearts and minds as my boss during that time gave us directive. And that was my job as the provider to ensure that I was able to assist the Afghanis also if they're in need of medical needs. Well, that's, I mean, what experiences you must have had there. And you also met General Petraeus.  It was groundbreaking for me. I was very proud to serve under him. He was our commanding general during that confrontation. And he's just a great guy. He was very thankful for the type of work we did out there. And I was just honored to work with him. Wow, that's impressive, Dr. Allen. And I wanna turn now to doctors of Waikiki.  Why did you guys start Doctors of Waikiki? For us, we wanna, just like your book, we wanted to be underlined with being physicians. And we wanted some platform that we can use that we can provide healthcare to our local populations and our residents in Hawaii that is unheard of. And we're open to midnight. There's no other urgent care that's open to midnight every day. So we wanna be different. We wanna be able to serve our community, to represent the type of outstanding care that we can provide. Not only for our residents, but also for anybody who's traveling to Hawaii. And that's why doctors of Waikiki exist. We're growing, we're making sure that we take care of our community. And we're here to serve everyone. And growing up in Waikiki, this is an awesome place for me to practice now. It kind of brings me back to my roots. And just like every family who works in Waikiki, they are so inundated with their daily obligations for work. Imagine you living in Ewa Beach, coming all the way out to Waikiki to work. By the time you get home, it'll be really late at night. And if you don't have access to medical care, while you're in Waikiki, sometimes you're unable to see doctors for many years. And I think that's why we have it here. So it's centrally located and it serves a lot of our local population. Dr. Allen, I can attest.  You guys have such a great team. And I wanna know, what is it about? Why do you and Dr. Tony get along so great where you guys make such a great team? I think it's because we communicate well, just kind of like your book. Communication is key. And we try to establish a great culture here. And our entire staff here believe in our culture. We're trying to serve our community. We sacrifice our lives every day. Through this pandemic, we have not changed our hours because we wanna ensure that our community feels safe to come here, our community feels reassured when they can access urgent care like ours with a lot of state-of-the-art tools to ensure that they have a good medical care when they come here.  I mean, can you tell me more about that? We try to bring in probably the latest equipments at medical lab and our treatment plans and our medication. We try to be very up-to-date of what is around the world, not just in the US, but globally. We were the first to have the capability to detect COVID even when other bigger laboratory can't. We have the newest Admit machines that can help us make diagnosis for COVID within 20 minutes, instead of waiting five days for the results to come back. And I think that's groundbreaking. And we started these improvements even before the outbreak, knowing the fact that globally, this was gonna impact Hawaii more than most people thought initially. And we knew it was not gonna be an easy task for our entire community. And to open up safely and to treat everybody, it's very important that we diagnose people who have COVID right away, instead of having them wait around and they might infect other people unknowingly. And I think that's really important. Dr. Allen, why are you, why is your business at Doctors of Waikiki? Why is it so successful? Knowing all of those things, but beyond that, why is it successful? I think it's the culture that we have here. And I think also not only the providers have to have that culture, is our entire staff from our nursing staff to our front desk, to our drivers, they have to believe in our purpose, believe that we're here to serve our community. And to ensure that people's lives matter, all life matters here at Doctors of Waikiki. We are here to help. We are very dedicated. And that creates a very enjoyable place. We have meetings here daily and our staff feel great after hard days of work because they go home feeling satisfied that they helped save a life, made a difference in everybody who walks through our doors. Well, you definitely have a great team around you, Dr. Allen. And can you give me the latest updates regarding COVID? For us, we're working just like we're working with the state. They reach out to us to do the post-travel testing survey. So we're part of that team, the trusted list for that. So for us or our travelers coming back or even returning residents, they will get selected right now to come in and get another post-arrival test after they already completed their pre-travel testing to see if that pre-travel testing is very effective or not. And we're working with John A. Burns School of Medicine and the epidemiologists to report all those numbers to ensure that, hey, this is a pretty good test. A program that we have launched and to keep us safe. As you can see, we've been doing this for two weeks and our numbers still remain low with our COVID positive cases. So it's very reassuring that the program is launched and it's safe and it's successful so far. Of course, there's more data that needs to be gathered and we can kind of see from that. And besides that, I think our team is very quick with having the pandemic right now. We treated over 900 COVID cases here at Drs. Waikiki. And out of that 900, about four patients got hospitalized, usually due to late onset of coming in, late diagnosis or multiple underlying conditions that kind of led to the hospitalization. We do tailor our treatment plans for each individual based on the symptoms and we have close follow-up. And that's how we are able to maintain a low hospital administration admitting to the hospitals. To, our job is trying to keep them out and ensuring that they are on a good road to recovery. That makes sense. Dr. Allen, let's talk about my books for a little bit. You know, I'm all about creating that superior culture of excellence and you totally are all about that too. What else stood out to you in my books? To me, I really like your books about the three Cs, about your choices about your communication and about your culture. And it's the same thing we apply here at Dr. Wykey Key. If you have great communication with your staff, from the nursing staff to the providers, to the front desk, that's really important. Great community, everybody's one team and they all feel that they're part of a bigger picture. And if they all understand that, then your culture comes naturally because you all have similar beliefs. And we all chose the medical field because we wanna make a difference in people's lives and their safety. So it's very important that we all have the same choices here and our staff are all handpicked. And one of their, the first question and interviewing with me, I'm the last person they have to get through is why they wanna work with us at Dr. Wykey Key? And you'll be surprised with the amount of different answers I get. But we believe that we're just trying our best to serve our Ohana. And we also want to remind people that we talk about different bubbles, especially in the pandemic, about a family bubble and work bubble. But remember, where a state bubble, we should all be part of this bigger bubble that encompass our entire state. Only then we can really conquer this pandemic here. Well said, I like that you said about the three C's, the choices, communication and culture. And Dr. Allen, I wanna ask you about, I also talk about welcoming adversity.  You know, I've been asked that question before and my response to that question is adversity, there's no single adversity I think I wanna talk about. But I wanna talk about adversity in life. That's what makes our life so challenging because every adversity at any point of life, you will feel that it's the biggest you ever met. And for me, it's lifelong. You know, when I was growing up, being an immigrant child, it was very adverse for me. I couldn't speak English. I could say that's my biggest adversity. But then you go on to med school, med school was very tough. That's a very big adversity. You know, being in the military, being deployed, I was deployed for many times and I struggled with a little post-traumatic stress disorder. And that was a big adversity for me. Starting a private practice, Dr. Waikiki, that's a big adversity for me too. But it's throughout life, I think life is adversity but what you do with that, I think is the biggest challenge. And if you can overcome all those adversities, I think that will make you a better person no matter what field you are in. Just like you, Rusty, winning 22 state championship, it's an adversity. Every year you have a different adversity. So we don't want to just single out one special event but it's a lifelong adversity. You're right, it's a journey, it never ends but it's training ourselves and our team to really be in the right mindset, to welcome adversity, to look forward to it. Like you said, once you get through it, you become stronger, you become better, you become smarter for going through that experience. And Dr. Allen, I wanna ask you, what's an important lesson you learned in life so far? I think my biggest life lesson so far is that never giving up. Just like your book says, defeat is just temporary, but giving up, that's permanent. So do not ever give up. I think if you look back in 83 when I first immigrated to Hawaii, if I given up back then, I wouldn't be where I am today. And there's many bumps in the road throughout life and for any viewer out there, it's never to give up. Continue to drive yourself. I mean, there are times when I was in Afghanistan and being shot at every day and getting bombarded with bombs every day, I could easily given up, but I didn't, I tried to focus on my job and through adversity and even with PTSD when I came back home, you can falter into those traps, but just keep on pushing yourself and having small goals. Once you achieve those small goals in life, you can continue on to bigger goals. I think that's very important for anyone. I like hearing that too.  And Dr. Allen, you and Dr. Tony are great leaders. What do you, what are some of the qualities that you think great leaders possess? Well, we think we're okay, Dr. T and I, we're okay, but we are inspired by a lot of other people that we've had met. And I can tell you that from all the great leaders I have met in my lifetime, one thing that stuck out to me is persistency and determination and joy. If you have those three, continue to work on everything. I mean, it's the same thing as you never giving up. I think persistency is so vital to anyone in any field to be successful. And of course, being the best of what you do, I think is also important. So push yourself to get a little bit better. I'm never satisfied with anything I do. I always look for the next thing to improve on. And always trying to improve yourself is also a big key. Well, you have high standards and it's all about a constant striving for excellence. And Dr. Allen, what is a, what's a good example of courage? You know, when you look back on your life so far, whether it be in the military or the medical field, what's a good example of courage? I think good example of courage is knowing that when you're doing the right thing. You want to do the right thing even when other people are against you. We were, for example, we were the first one, something reason, we're the first one to say, hey, it's not safe to travel. I went on the news to say that on what COVID first hit. And I got a lot of, I got a lot of flak from our other physicians in the community saying that we can't make a generalized statement. I'm like, well, but if you really look at the science and the data and how infectious something like this is, you know, and this never happened before. So nobody believed me. But I found some inner strength in myself to say, hey, publicly, I'm like, I don't think it's a great idea to travel and I'm sticking to my guns. And despite all the adversity I got even from our own profession, colleagues telling me, hey, you can't say that. But I'm like, well, you have to let the public know what's the truth and the truths don't lie. And I think if you are able to stick to the truth, no matter how many people are against you, I think that's probably the best thing you can do as courage. Dr. Allen, I got to say that you are definitely a man of great character and you are a fantastic leader and of amazing doctor with all of your experiences. And I'm very grateful for you. And, you know, I think all of us again in Hawaii were, I mean, we should be so thankful to have, you know, you here as well as Dr. T. And wanted to thank you for joining me on the show today, Dr. Allen. Thank you so much for having me on Rusty. I'm so grateful to have you as a friend and I want to wish you the best health in life. Thank you, Dr. Allen. And thank you for watching Beyond the Lines on Think Tech Hawaii. For more information, please visit RustyKamori.com and my books are available on Amazon and Barnes & Noble. I hope that Dr. Allen and I will inspire you to create your own superior culture of excellence and to find your greatness and help others find theirs. Aloha.


One day, an older man took his teenage son to a difficult mountain. They both started climbing, sweating and enduring the pains. After seven hours of climbing, they reached the top of the mountain. Then the older man sat down to have a discussion with his son. Son, what do you think about what we did today? The son answered, Dad, it's painful. My legs hurt and I'm exhausted. When it comes to Africa, most people in the world are like that teenage boy who saw the pains, the stress and the tiredness. But he missed the blessing of seeing the top of the mountain. He missed the pride he would have had amidst his friends and his self-esteem that had been improved simply by going through such pains. I am an Nigerian who started his entrepreneurial journey at 7 years old with my mother's petty business. I started my first major business, a bicycle rental service at age 15 and a photography business at age 16. I went fully into the business world when I was 21 and had my first successful company at age 29. So I think I know how difficult it is to start or run a business in Africa. But there's something else I think I know, which most people don't know. There is a blessing that comes with all the pains you might experience as someone who wants to make money in Africa. What blessing? Well, the blessing of a virgin market. Most industries and markets in Africa are either virgin or young. Because of this, any smart individual can be the first or the king in an industry. It's called a starving crowd. Gary C. Harbett was one of the most successful marketers the world has ever seen. He often asked his students to mention the most important advantage they would like to have in a market. After they all messed around with different answers, Gary would tell them, I want a starving crowd, meaning a virgin market. You can find many good marketing books out there, but I'll bet that some of the best are 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing, 0-1, Positioning, The Battle of the Mind and Blue Ocean Strategy. Do you know what all these bestsellers preach? Never compete if you want to make money in any market. Be the king at all cost and that's where I see Africa from. Now, if you're not an African, most of the things I'm saying in this video may not make sense to you and I can understand that. When last did you ever hear any good thing about Africa? So why would this guy without a face ever be able to convince you that there is something good in Africa? But if you're an African from any of the developing countries, lend me your ears. You don't have to run away from your country. America already has enough problems. Europe already has enough headaches. Don't go and add your own. Learn how to make money in your country and in doing that, start by seeing the blessing that comes with climbing the mountain. Think about less competition. When I started my first successful company in the year 2016, it wasn't anything new. I simply combined what many people have been doing for ages with new technologies and we won the market immediately and I'm not making anything up here. If I were to start such a company in America, well my company would still be in number 376 or something today. I will make no money. And that's the truth. Then someone will tell me but there are so many challenges in Africa and I'll tell you it's like climbing the tall mountain. It's painful and it hurts your legs but it makes you stronger, healthier and gives you better self-esteem. As humans, our inborn weakness is to exaggerate a negative thing while we underrate positive experiences. This tendency is why Nathaniel acts Philip in John 1.46 can anything good come from Nazareth? But Jesus actually came from Nazareth. This tendency is why everyone in the world believes that everyone in Africa is broke and sad but some of us in Africa are actually richer than 90% of the people in the USA. The tendency to exaggerate negative experiences and underrate positive ones is why millions of people worldwide believe that they must run away from their countries to make money. Think about low-cost labor. As you might know, the cost of leaving is far cheaper in Africa than in many parts of the world. Because of this, wages or salaries aren't that huge too. What if we can figure out how to build a company in Africa which serves the world and makes money from the world? I actually did that and it's the best thing that has ever happened to my entrepreneurial journey. In 2017, I figured out that I can build a media company right from my country, Nigeria and serve the world with our content. If we can succeed in this, we'll simply make money from the world while living in Africa. We sacrificed a whole year figuring out how to succeed but we succeeded. We've made about $166,000 in the last 18 months from this very idea. Yeah, someone in the UK will tell me but $166,000 isn't a lot of money. The cost of leaving a good life is probably five times cheaper where we live, which means a lot. What other things can I say? What about stealing from a more developed country? This is what I mean. Things that work in a part of the world can as well work elsewhere. What about taking some ideas with good success from a part of the world to your own country? Smart people do these all the time and you can. The problem with the world is closed minds. So many people go about with closed minds. They have made up their mind that their country is poor. They have concluded that they must run to America. Nothing can convince them that there is an acre of diamond in their backyard. The world is always greener on the other side. To such people, I can't convince you against your conclusion. I can only hope that this video helps someone. My name is Steve Courage. I am a Nigerian entrepreneur who lives in Lagos. If you wish to know more about me, see my ugly face or consume videos I specifically make for Africans, check the description box and join my new channel where I show my face and teach Africans how to build successful businesses. I love you.