Terima kasih kerana menonton. Terima kasih kerana menonton. Terima kasih kerana menonton. Helo, so my talk will be around making your application AWS ready. How you can plan the scalability and file tolerance and make your application disaster recovery. And the talk will be having to deploy application on AWS so it will not just applicable on Django. You can map it to any general purpose web application. So you can map it to other languages also like PHP, Java or another. So let's start. As I believe I think you already heard about AWS because when you talk about cloud, the first time comes is AWS, Amazon Web Services. And so I will give a brief introduction of that. And then the next will be the services you need to know because AWS provide a lot number of services for different purposes. But the services you need may be different. So what are the basic services you need to know to make your application deploy on AWS. Second, we will see the AWS scalable architecture. I will go through some steps so it can help you to think how we can move to the scalability because this is a topic which can go a long way. So step by step we will see how we can add scalability. We can think to make our application. And next we will see about Django specific because we will have to use the S3 service. So let's see how to integrate. And then the deployment methods. There are a couple of deployment methods I will talk. So let's see. Starting from AWS services. You can see here is the console of AWS services and you can see AWS provide a number of different services in different categories like compute. It provide EC2 for database, it provide RDS. For database it provide RDS and networking also deployment services, mobile specific services. There are a lot number of services. 45 plus services already launched and every year they launch at least 2-3 services. But you don't need to know all those. Just the basic one. And then as per your application requirement you can learn more and implement more like hurry questions, explain about some services and so there are a number of services. Let's see the basic services you need to know. The basic one is EC2. EC2 you can see is a virtual machine in cloud where you can host your operating system you can install your application. So this is the basic service you must need to use to host your application on AWS. Second is RDS. Okay, firstly AWS is infrastructure as a service. It means everything you have to manage yourself. They do not provide platform as a service but they do not provide managed service. But some services of AWS is managed. Like RDS is one of them where it provide a managed RDS service where you can host your database. They provide around 4-5 database support like MySQL, MSSQL, Oracle. So you can just start RDS instance deploy your database and do not worry about database backup automatic package installation. It do's itself. So this is the managed service on top of AWS IIS infrastructure. And next service if you talk from storage you take S3 is the popular service for storage of user content. Static content of your site like JavaScript, CSS, image, etc. One service also Route 53. Route 53 is scalable domain name service. So it's very easy to use service. You just point your domain controller name server to the Route 53 name server and you can map your domain to any particular easy to load balancer URL. So your users can access the AWS services. Cloud front. Cloud front is on top of S3. It is a content delivery network which you can use if you want that your content should be really fast to download on user side. If you are hosting like media, image, video. So using the cloud front network it will be delivered using the nearest location of user physical location. The next service you might be interested is cloud watch. Cloud watch is the monitoring service which monitor the AWS resources. Mostly we monitor using EC2 and RDS where you can monitor some parameters like security utilization, disk reads, writes, and network traffic. And depending upon that you can take some decision like if you are running out of resources you can increase the resources or you can set some rules. So depending upon the states like if CPU utilization is more than 80% for 5 or 10 minutes it can automatically start means chances to add the scalability and will never let your application down. So you can do some sort of stuff. And we can talk one deployment service One deployment service will be Elastic Benish Talk. It's a deployment service. So as I already say it's an infestation service but it provides a platform as a service. The one service is deployment service Elastic Benish Talk where you can set up your application and it will automatically start for EC2, RDS, create buckets for you. So resource provisioning you can just set up and it will automatically do yourself. You do not need to start EC2 separately or RDS, S3, and cloud watch and different. It provides combination of those services in a single console. So it's one of important deployment service. I will talk later on that. Now my point the scale level how to think scalability when you are moving to cloud. So we will see some steps how you can think. So let's start from single box model. Single box means EC2. EC2 is your server operating system like Linux or Windows. Everything is in single box. Operating system is there. Your server is there like Apache is there. Your database like MySQL is there. Your user content. Your user image, video everything is in single box. So you can go with like shared hosting or some dedicated server is like this. The single box model. Everything is inside. This is representation of AWS architecture where you can see I mentioned the region and availability zone. So currently AWS have 9 or 10 regions. Singapore is one of them. So there is data centers. And inside one there is 2 physical availability zones. So 2 or more physical availability zones Singapore we have 2. So inside one availability zone I am running a single EC2 instance. The user is directly hitting our server. So this can also work. But this is not scalable because everything in single box if it fails everything fails. So let's use AWS services AWS different services which AWS provide and make it scalable. So first service comes in mind is RDS. Database. You take out your database MySQL out and host it in RDS. That's a managed service. So you don't need to worry about backups and different thing. And if your EC2 is down your RDS is still safe. So your database is still safe. So this is one point you can implement scalability. Next add more services like S3 bucket. You can take out your user content to S3 bucket. So everything after deployment of application whatever user is uploading will go into S3 bucket. Now your EC2 is only a pure application. The database is out the user content is out. And the load on server will also be less because S3 can directly serve the user content to browser. So EC2 will not busy in serving just a static content. Static content will be served from S3 directly to the user browser and your EC2 will directly hit only for application usage. If you add more services or you want to make it more scalable you can use elastic load balancer there where you can start at least one EC2 instance means your one application server and depending upon load you can add more EC2 instances to handle the more load. Elastic load balancer also provide like auto scaling group you can create some policies depending upon your application nature and you can say that if CP utilization is more than 70% for 10 or 15 minutes start another instance like that you can set the rules it's very easy to set tools in AWS console AWS console where you see the services where you can manage these rules so it can automatically start instance when the traffic will increase and you can set the load also the rules like if CP utilization is less than 30% for more than 10% down the one instance it will save your cost actually so written announcement you can justify your client that yeah it will like in the daytime for the evening time if your traffic is up and the night time it's not up so you can manage these kind of thing even you can manage like you have in the weekend your application get traffic more so you can set the rule only on the weekend it start one instance and add to the load balancer so a lot of stuff you can do to make your application scalable see more if you want to make purely disaster DR system where you can set up in one availability zone one instance and the second availability zone you set up another instance one one instance initially and later depending upon load it can start one more instance in one availability zone or another or in the both and this is on the easy to application layer and also the database layer you can make a scalability like you can have master or seller concept you can deploy multi availability zone deployment we have a service means when you start ideas there is option to multi azure multi azure means it will have a copy in the second availability zone within the same region and it will be directly syncing you cannot directly use the slave database but when master database will be fail it will automatically transfer your load to the second database so you do not need to worry if something happen on the hardware failure on the AWS site still you are set even one availability zone will be completely down like there is a mass failure of hardware and AWS site one azure is down but second azure is still there and automatically load will be transferred to there so because there also we will be having at least one EC2 and the slave database so transfer will be there and S3 is outside of that so even your OS goes down because it's only application pure application and we have multiple instances of that application so your system will be scalable and also TR if you want more scalability or more things you can use other services like for domain name you can use root 53 so your domain control will be here DNS controller and then you can map your elastic load balancer URL so your user will hit the domain and then using the root 53 it will go to the load balancer and load balancer will see which server is less traffic and then root the request to the particular instance and instance will reply to load balancer and load balancer to your browser directly so for S3 bucket you can see you can use the cloud front CDN service so if you really want to ensure the aesthetic content is really being downloaded fast on user browser you can use the cloud front on top of these other you can use cloud watch monitoring service to monitor your EC2 instances your network administrator may really need it it can immediately send you SMS or email alerts when something is going wrong on your institutions or RDS instance you can use IAM identity and access management service if you are working in a big team you want to give access only to S3 service or only to EC2 service to some user you can manage in IAM role easily you create a role just give the permission of only particular service and he will be able to use only that service you can use SES simple email service it's like SMTP I provide SMTP you just utilize it and start sending emails and so these are basic services which you can utilize but definitely there are lot more like lambda for mobile there is also mobile testing and deployment service so this is one way of thinking this is just a start you can add more services as per like you can use SKS service and like you can use if you want to make like if you want to make PDF to word conversion service like so you just upload PDF and you go to convert it into word like that you can do but here you can use SKS service so user will upload the PDF first and then you can send it to the SKS and SKS will use the one server to convert it and after convert it will automatically send an email that you can download your conversion is done so this type of service you can use the small instance so if traffic increase even it can utilize the small size instance and utilize it will be cost effective to you it should of saying that you are running a one instance of 2GB RAM and the traffic immediately increase and then your server cannot handle that so you can use Q service also so there are a lot number of service you can utilize and now see specific to Django I already explain that you have to use S3 RDS at least so how to integrate S3 in Django so Django is very easy S3 because AWS provide AWS SDK for different languages for PHP Python Java .NET it provides for Python it provide BOTO current version is 3 so BOTO3 library it provide AWS SDK you can utilize that you can store any file you can store to S3 you can record from S3 you can create buckets delete objects so everything it provide in the wrapper it's AWS SDK and what you can use for S3 I already explain you can use for static files like your JavaScript CSS image one thing it's part of application second user content user is uploading its profile photo videos images etc or documents so everything you can store in the S3 and how to setup for S3 so for S3 you can use one application Django storages Django storages is the Django application which enable you to utilize another storage like your application is hosted on one server generally it save into the a single folder of that but if you want to utilize Amazon S3 as your blob storage or cloud storage of Google Django storages provide number of storages into your Django it coupled so your code will not change but when your user will upload something you write the code and user will upload image it will instead of saving saving on the server it will save into the storage like if you're using S3 it will save S3 if you're using as your blob storage it will save there so you use Django storages it's very easy to install trip install Django storages and also the same way you can install botter 3 and in the setting it's very easy you go into setting.py you add your storage application and a couple of settings for S3 we generally use access key secret key and then bucket name is there you have to mention bucket name and you have to mention files storage and default file storage so it will change the storage default file storage it will change to the botter 3 storage S3 storage then everything what you are going to upload it will upload to the S3 bucket so using this storage application it's nothing to change in the application I am dividing into two part first thing is static files of your application how to upload there and then user content first if you do for S3 you use for static files what you can do is you can directly copy and paste your S3 your files like javascript css to the S3 bucket and then automatically it will start using when on the front end on the Django when you want to reference any image it will directly refer from bucket you just need to mention that static when you are ingsrc when you are mentioning you have to write static keyword first and then according to the storage class you are using it will take reference and will add after that so in the S3 bucket it will add the S3 bucket path it's STDP path and then images or your image name so front end is very easy in the back end I say you can manually copy paste but if you do not want that you can use another application static files app you install your static file apps and you just run a command on your application python manage.py so what it will do it will collect all the static files like jcss of your project and will upload those to the S3 bucket which you mentioned in the last slide I said you static files storage is the bucket already there and bucket name I already mentioned so static file will utilize this setting and it will know that we have to use S3 and it will copy your static content directly to the S3 bucket so you do not need to copy manually to S3 for your static contents so it's very easy to use and for reference I say it's also very easy you just add static and according to the storage class you are using it will already refer there and if you want to store user content you do not need to change anything this is the sample code which you generally use it's just renaming the file which you are going to upload and your upload is simple like you are having the model image field so when you are going to upload image it will upload with a new name and where it will upload because you already set it the defined storage class is S3 so it will automatically go into the bucket you mentioned and will save there and we want to refer it the same like imjsrc you just use the the URL of your model like profile.url and it will automatically show the correct URL because in the backend setting you change the storage of your Django where it is going to store so it's nothing changed it's the general way you are using your code to upload so S3 you already integrated and RDS there is no change RDS means database you just start your database and change the credential and start using that so we have already used EC2 where we are our Django application in our state RDS where our database is in our state and S3 where our CSS image or user content is being stored now this is the custom deployment so this is the first thing the deployment way is custom deployment where you have to start your EC2 manually deploy your application and S3 integration you have to do and manually you start RDS manually you create a bucket and do this setting stuff just it's ready to use you just point your domain to your EC2 instance directly or whether you use Lord balancer so this is the custom deployment and after every deployment like I say EC2 is what I call it if you will terminate the instance everything will stop everything will lost so you have to save it so in Amazon there is a concept AMI Amazon Machine Image so it's very easy to create the image just right click running EC2 instance or create image it will copy a snapshot of your operating system within the data inside so the application will be inside so every time you change into your application you have to create an MI and then you have to give that MI to your Lord balancer so whenever there is a trigger event of creating a new instance it will use that base MI base MI will already contain your operating system and your Apache application code so it can work so this is one way of doing the deployment another way of doing deployment is elastic bin stock in elastic bin stock what you are going to do your application code is not inside the EC2 it's outside it means you just create an environment first and then upload your application code separately and when you upload your application code it do not go into EC2 directly it firstly goes to the S3 bucket it automatically create a bucket in your account and your application will store into S3 so whenever a new instance want to start when your auto scaling policy want to start a new instance it have the base MI it have the software already like packages already which you need but do not have the application after starting the EC2 instance it download your application code from S3 bucket and extract there so now it's more scalable and you do not need to create AMI again and again after every deployment of your code so it's very easy to use application deployment service of AWS and you can utilize it using console also you go into console you start your environment firstly you have to create an environment there and then you have to upload your application there and it will just directly run it automatically create load balancer it always comes with load balancer so you have to point your domain to the load balancer URL it started working already or if you are using command prompt you can use EBCLI it's command line interface that AWS provide using some commands you can deploy your application I will see I will show some commands how to deploy your application using elastic finish top so firstly we can configure the elastic finish top in that firstly I am activating the virtual environment local it's not doing anything on live on AWS first so EB VIIT bin activate you just activate it and then according to your application requirement you have to gather your requirement like some additional packages you want to install you just run tip fridge requirement or TXT will generate and this requirement of TXT will have the dependency of your application what additional packages you want to install and this requirement of TXT your elastic minister you can understand so whenever it will start server it will download those dependencies automatically for you and you have to create in your project folder you have to create a dot EB extension folder firstly let's create MKDR and create the folder and after that you have to create a Django.config file this file EB right option settings AWS elastic bin stop container python and WSI path so container python means it will start the python container because bin stop is a common service you can start python container PHP container or you can also have their option of selecting the tomcat versions so depending upon your container it will start the MI and will start will install the server, defile server there so you are asking about python container and you are mentioning the wsga path it will use of your application so then the application can run and you are just deactivating this virtual environment this is optional step so firstly now you make your application ready to deploy an elastic bin stop but it's only on local your computer just not going to the EB service now so how to deploy you just initialize it EB INIT this is the command you run it python version your application name so it will create the application and then you have to again run the same command EB INIT at that time it will ask you the couple of questions about the creating a key pair file the name and hash and that will help to login into the EC2 instance because EC2 it's operating system to access that you need a private key file PPK file so this is the steps that generate I am not going to detail of that but if you will execute this you can see what it is asking and you can enter the details and then you create EB create Django environment as I say elastic bin stop working environment so you can create one production environment one staging environment so you just create one environment operating system so it will start python container and that's it no application deployed yet so the environment takes around 5 minutes and after that environment will be up and it will automatically deploy your application as soon the environment will be ready it will install your application also and it will start running and you can in the browser you can open the elastic bin stop URL and you can see your application or on the command line you can type EB open it will directly open the browser because browser of your operating system and will go you to the elastic bin stop URL and you can see your application already running there so this is the way how you can utilize the console or the command line and I already say console is very easy you go into console you upload your application zip you create your environment and just upload your application and it start using that and the integer will be the same it will start the load balancer with your application and later you can setting it command line is very hard to do the configuration which image to use or which what instance type you have to use so you go to console and you can do your setup there you can set your auto scaling policies your security groups like you want to enable some port or disable some port you can do that kind of stuff directly and this is the command to redeploy whenever you do change in your code you want to redeploy you just EB deploy it will redeploy your application on the environment and your application will be get update so you see we already seen two type of deployment and this elastic finish top in this your code will already having the correct RDS credential you should you have to ensure that it can connect to correct RDS and bucket you already integrated and now it is scalable so according to your policy it can start new instances it can down new instances and so even the traffic goes increase it will never let your site down and it will be serving so that's all Thank you Any questions? 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YouTube team keep it clean what's going on the same grave and hit with another episode of NFL questions from subs Well, you can ask me any question we answered in the video just like this You want to be part of it send me an email to team keep it clean at gmail.com or for the patrons Y'all can send it directly on patreon team keep it clean got some great questions like we always do Let's not waste no more time my first question came from my boy Nick Brick and appreciate you being a patron He said engraving my guy tried my best to refrain from asking a Lamar contract question But people have me confused Why is everyone acting like Lamar has to sign a deal right now like he's the one in trouble Even if he gets injured we saw the bone sticking out of that press guys ankle on live TV and they still dropped the bag However from my views the Ravens have to sign him this offseason the cap went up 25 mil this season And we'll only get larger with the new TV deals, especially the amazon one kicking in this year Rogers is going to get 50 mil and already reset the market and it's only going to get worse plus There is no way the Ravens should go into 2022 season with Lamar's fifth year option cap hit When we could clear up another decent chunk of cap space by signing him to an extension This season is our last chance to go all in while on Lamar's rookie deal For a team that prides itself on not being irresponsible with the cap space the last four years We never have any due to dead cap from bad deals injuries Earl thomas and covet from my views the Ravens should do everything to sign Lamar this offseason even a 48 million dollar deal Would be a steal considering where the business of the nfl is going I made this a bit too long But who do you think is more incentivized or desperate to get a contract done this offseason? And also just wanted to add that it is not Lamar's job or the fans job to manage the cap Lamar can want as much money as he wants and we can tweet about all the free agents We want oh, I love that part. It's probably my favorite part about the whole thing. We could end the video right here after that But who is more incentivized to get a deal done? Oh, no, no, no, he said who is more incentivized or slash desperate to get a contract done this season Oh, that's all the Ravens That's all the Ravens Because you answer that question and that the bonus part that you put in that it is not Lamar's job to manage the cap It's not His job is to play quarterback for the Ravens His job is not to be a cap specialist His job is not to work around the salary. No, no, no, his job is to play quarterback for the Ravens and get his bread It is the Ravens job to manage the Ravens cap and with them Lamar is not the one who has to spend money out of his own pocket to bring in free agents Sign draft picks trade for this guy that no that's the Ravens And with Lamar going from making one meal 1.5 mil 1.7 mil for him to go to those cap hits to a 23 million dollar cap hit You know that that the Ravens they they definitely want to get something done And I think the biggest reason for them wanting to get something done Is so they can alleviate a good chunk of that cap space so they can have some more wiggle room But I still don't think it happens this offseason. Next question came from another patron my guy old Lou He said good day, sir. Hope all is well. I'm seeing a lot of offensive linemen being released What do you think about grabbing an offensive guard and maybe a center and free agency? I would for the center. Yeah, I can see that a guard Uh, I like Ben Cleveland. I like Ben Cleveland. I know he got to get a little more Better with his hips and his footwork or whatever But I think Ben Cleveland like will put us in a good direction and I think he can help a ton in the run game and for him to Go and if he went into this offseason knowing like, all right, I'm the starter That would do him wonders because he would be working with the offensive line from the starting offensive line from jump And so he could be working on his craft from jump as a Number one guy and that just has a depth guy and we know last year like in training camp or stuff He had some injuries. He had some Uh concussions and stuff. So he was like back and forth. Um, so I would I would like to roll with Ben Cleveland But anyway, continuing He said So and using the draft to get younger defensively on all three levels I've been looking at the young man mark mark. Oh mark cute marcusus Mark uses bill a strong safety from fam. Uh, he's six two and ran a four four all of my mark draft He said in all of my mark drafts, I grabbed him in the fourth round. Well, well, but If ravens grab him, that'll give us a big body safety for the future But can he cover that's the big thing Can can he cover the field because we got a big week? Well, we had a big body safety into Sean Elliott We had that but like it's not all about the size for the safety and really for any player But it's about what they can do But if he can ball he can ball no matter how short or tall you are he said, uh Tariq woollen from utsa He's a tall and fast db and later rounds if we can't get west street back Yeah, I think they'll end up getting west street back. They didn't tend to him But I think they'll bring him back. But we'll see We need that offensive line to be vets I think and just go young on defense try to maximize Lamar with experience players protecting him up front So next year when we break the bank for Lamar, we grab young guys for the offensive line. Tell me what you think Now with that, um, if they like right now if they go veterans for offensive line Um and and do this with what you were saying and then next year They grab young guys when they break the bank for Lamar. Wouldn't you want, um Some consistency As long as the offensive line this year would be good But wouldn't you want some consistency for Lamar Jackson? Especially if you got to break the bank on that's going to be your quarterback If you're going to pay him all that money you want to build the best around him Uh, so if they just got veterans this year and then next year like, all right, we're going young And then completely just switched it that inexperience it could it could hurt It could go good too now Unless the way that you're talking about is actually doing like a mix a mix of both To where they signed some veterans for a couple years and whatnot, but then next year They draft offensive more offensive linemen just for the future So if that's what you're saying, I I could see that too. Um, and he said it's always love what you're doing Thank you for giving this guy, man And thank you for giving us crazy ravens fanatics a platform to get our thoughts out LL appreciate you. Oh, oh and then a little bonus from olu. He's talking about jordan davis He said that he is a monster. Did you watch the compound at 341 pounds? He ran a 4.76 with a 1.68 10 yard split time Which is crazy because jj watts 10 yard split was 1.71 Uh, davis is very is very quick off the ball And that's the big part of his game that I love that pressure up the middle TJ watt ran a 4.67 with a crazy 10 yard split of 159 at 252 pounds And davis is not cody He's talking about mount cody. Uh, and I think that's what we are worried about Oh, and just for reference jj watt was 292 pounds and ran a 491 in the 40 if davis is there He should be a raven because if we don't pick him He will be crazy in buffalo or new england or a lot of people talking about charges too Uh, couldn't they just he has sent this before the charges traded for khalil mack But them having interior pressure and exterior pressure would do wonders Uh, he said I could really see us doubling up in the first two rounds to have two players On that five year deal 10 picks are great, but five picks that are plug-in starters are better Love it. Love it Love it That's perfect. Uh, he said davis and pinning or davis and cross if davis is going then maybe we can grab the defensive tackle from UConn. He had a great combine too and a crazy senior bow Um, but then he said, oh my fault. I just watched the Jordan davis video But I had to get my thoughts out Hope all is well your way appreciate you for the bonus content my friend next question came from my boy big drizzy He said hey, good morning engraving. Hope you and the family doing good big news last night My question is how do you feel about the ravens releasing tape on young? Or do you think they will re-sign him later or will another team grab him up? He's a great corner and will be missed for sure. Thanks for all your hard work and stay blessed I appreciate that. Um, I think Well, obviously all of those are possibilities, but I think there would be a uh, a market for sure for tayvon young Um, I think somebody could end up signing him to like a one-year deal or something like that Just to see because he's shown like when when he's on the field, he can play he can play for sure But just your biggest your biggest question is Uh injury that's the biggest question is injury. Can he tackle? Yeah Can he cover? Yeah He's gonna get beat sometimes. Yeah, but everybody get beat sometimes But tayvon young is a good player Good slot corner. Um, and he can give you What's the word he can give you peace of mind there As an inside corner and that can just help you out so much But I do still think right now there's a chance that ravens could bring him back at a at a reduced rate at a cheaper deal Even though they did give him the the goodbye video. So that's something to think about too. They gave him the goodbye videos Oh, thanks for everything tayvon young. Um, so We'll see but because usually when they do that then it's Yeah, uh, well, they did that with tony jefferson too though, but at the same time Um, well, he ain't come back for a couple years later. So with with tayvon um Now that I think about it out loud, maybe he won't be back at least this year This is always a chance to let any chance no more But I think tayvon young will definitely have a market next question came from a boy chris from the west wing He said engraving do you think the seahawks may come a knocking for a trade with the ravens for tyler huntley? He's still on his rookie deal. And what do you think the seahawks would offer? Oh, because seahawks just traded away russia wilson. Um, so they are in the qb market right now They do have a what a drew drew lock Um Now that would be something but if they were to try to Take tyler huntley away from the ravens. I still don't know if he's eligible to be traded right now But if he is then I think they would offer something like Uh, I think they will start low Like a fourth round pick see what ravens are talking about. I don't think ravens will take that though I think uh for tyler huntley If the ravens were going to trade him, I think they will want something like along the lines of a second round pick Now I know some people may initially think like wait a minute like no tyler huntley is not worth a second round pick A lot of people when you hear that, uh, but then at the same time Like they they will be trying to get a their possible start in quarterback And he's on a super cheap deal right now So and ravens they don't have like what would be the incentive for ravens trading him? He's a he's a good backup quarterback um, so with that being said Uh, I think ravens, they know that they're in a good situation right now with obviously what their starter Um and with their backup as well. So why would you give that away? Especially for cheap? That's why I think the conversation would start uh at a second round pick and change next question came from my boy kyan He said hey bro. Hope all as well as kyan just wanted to get your take on this people say lemar Had a bad year and I understand he had a ton of picks this year Like yeah, literally a ton. Oh, no not a ton. I was thinking of a dozen because a dozen is 12 But a dozen in one, but anyway, um He said, uh, he did have a ton of picks this year by his standard But why aren't people understanding that lemar was on pace for 4 000 passing yards and 1000 russian yards He only needed to average 160 passing yards a game and 33 russian yards a game All right, if i'm not mistaken, this has never been done and people just brush it under the rug or take it for granted Uh, we were one game or we won one game when lemar hasn't played and people want to run him out of town as if he's Sam don't know the bakel mayfield I don't understand. Oh, yeah. I don't get it either. Now lemar. Yeah, he he threw like Like he threw more picks this year than he's thrown like all Ever since he's been playing But now this year it was a little bit off for that the same time Really everything was off with this year for the ravens, but with lemar jackson For me, I just felt like it was one of those things while his game like we've been spoiled from lemar jackson and just his Incredible play. He's done some just crazy things in such a short period of time And I think uh, he has been like sort of a prisoner of his own success um, and since he had been so successful and just Broken so many records made so many crazy plays It's like when he doesn't do all the craziness on a consistent basis. It's like hold up. What's wrong with lemar jackson? So that's how a lot of people can feel And I can understand why because we just so used to all the madness. We so used to all the craziness So when it's when it simmers down a bit, it's like hold up. What's this?  You could clearly see that this dude He was injured before his bone bruised injury. He was injured way before that Um, so he you could tell he was just off man. Just off Um, so we it makes us look forward to next year that much more next question came from a guy clout He said what's up in graven? One of the eggs What would be your opinion if the ravens used evin duvenay to a similar role as debo samuel from the 49ers No, he's not debo samuel. Uh, and he doesn't need to be Um, I feel like he a better thing for him will be somebody like persie harvin Devon well persie harvin was a little bit quicker than devon duvenay But just them using him a lot in the screen game Just really trying to get him into open space to where he can make something happen He could just take off Because devon duvenay he sort of reminds me of a bigger More like sort of thicker chris more. Um, the reason I say that is because that the straight line speed is there He's not too like shifty. He ain't like shaking nobody making anybody miss like that at least not from what I've seen But um, that straight line speed is there. So if you could use him in a role like similar to a persie harvin Um, then I think that would be the best role for him But he said I think he could match well in the same kind of role since he's agile and has a good change of direction Plus, I think it would help giro explore his vault. Uh, that's it man. Love your content. Appreciate it cloud Next question came from my guy ejon. He said baltimore fans. I hope all is well with you and yours I'm good too. Besides paying 550 a gallon for gasoline lol Sammy walkins is the topic today. Why not bring him back? He'd be cheap He's still young and not a locker room cancer in any way most importantly in the clutch. He got open and made plays Mmm Sammy walkins, he would be cheap He can catch Um, he can still run But the the same issue with sammy walkins Um, the reason for me personally that I didn't want them to just Sign sammy walkins and be done at wide receiver Was the same issue that happened with him with the chiefs It was the same issue that happened with him when he was with the bills He is not a bad receiver by any means But the injury history is that's it. It's the injuries man The injuries and it was the same thing This year with the ravens He got he just wasn't available like that He wasn't available like that and it seemed like when he finally did come back It seemed like he just he was never the same So I would say no, but let's continue. He said injuries. Oh, I should have read it These are injuries are always a concern, but remember the trio of walkins bateman in hollywood We barely got to see so why not be patient and build on last year instead of starting over yet? Again, we need to add to our unit not subtract And also it was sad to see him and bateman score their first touchdowns after week 10 Have patience instead of uh falling into this instant gratification error bring walkins back in my opinion What are your thoughts? No, don't bring walkins back. Um Don't You can you can still it doesn't even have to be necessarily instant gratification But if they drafted somebody else Um big playmaking type of guy aggressive wide receiver, which I do think they'll take in the first three rounds I keep saying that um If they did that I feel like it'll be adding to it And you drive somebody with with good good history health wise too Because again with sammie walkins Are you really? Adding by or are you really are you really taking away by not re-signing him? Are you really taking away from the ravens? Because again, he was here. He was signed last year, but he didn't really add much overall It sammie walkins was not this huge difference maker. Yeah, he did make a couple plays He did for sure But he was not this huge difference maker and he was oh, yeah We gotta bring sammie. Well, there's no way that sammie walkins can't come back. No We saw that throughout the season Like especially toward the end of the season like oh no sammie. Yeah, he ain't coming back here As a matter of fact, like you will see so many times when sammie walkins will be suited up He will be sitting right there on the sideline It's just They wouldn't ravens wouldn't even put him out there So they must have known something But so like with sammie walkins now, I I wouldn't bring him back Next question came from my guy. Greg. He said good morning. Eric Dacosta should trade marquis brown for my draft picks All right, let's let's try to continue But I'm already off boy with this anyway He said granted brown has speed, but his hands are garbage Our wide receiver court would be dominant with landry bateman duvenay and pro-shea Here's another thought maybe we could offer brown in the trade to move up in the draft So we could pick kyle hamilton the safety from Notre Dame go ravens. Take care. No. No I I disagree now that as opposed to the last question because he would the last question was saying that Removing sammie walkins would be taken away from the no, this would be taken away from the ravens Now we know hollywood. He's had his fair share drops for sure But i'm hoping that just like with mark andrews mark andrews He had his fair share drops in year three and then he turned it down a lot in year four So hopefully with hollywood. He can follow that same path But having somebody who was a thousand-year-old receiver We know it took a lot longer than it should have if lamar would have been playing He would have got there a long time ago, but it's okay. That didn't happen We can't really talk about the coulda woulda shoulders but with hollywood brown If you take him away That would be taken away from ravens offense now, of course You could go get another speedster in the draft and whatnot But you already got one you could you should add another one You should I feel like again add that big body wide receiver That physical guy who could go up and get it that still got the burners too And just make make the ravens wide receiver room that much richer. I told y'all first three rounds It's happening the next question came from den. He said ain't graven Hope all is well with you and the fam with lamar jackson not getting the contract extension after three years Like patrick myhomes and josh allen. I don't think he he said I don't think he should give the ravens one dollar worth of a discount But since they won't pay him before they absolutely have to I don't think he should take any less Then he can get on the open market. What do you think? I would agree with you He um You can't do discounts because if you do a discount now, you're gonna be doing discounts forever This question came from my boy isaac. He said hey, I hope all is well with you and the family I have such high hopes for next season with our roster, but I fear greg roman may slow us down from getting to the level of someone like the chiefs We're gonna see we're gonna see I just wanted to be to where Greg roman he has everything that he needs To be for the ravens to be as successful as they possibly can So there will be no excuses from anybody none for giro none for lamar none for the harb's none for the None for anybody So everybody can be fully equipped and hopefully everybody can stay healthy But I want everybody to be fully equipped So the ravens they can know exactly where they need to move Going forward, but I do still think that with With them bringing in t martin and keith williams That does say a lot about greg roman's future next question came from my guy franky c he said With the bingles haven't been in a super bowl Do you think the ravens would try to copy them like how they got jamar chase from lsu? To match joe burrow so pretty much could you see us trying to get lamar? His oc from louisville. Thanks for your time and keep up the great work um I would love if they ravens just went really like overkill on offense like obviously fixing that offensive line, but really having like Three potential number one wide receivers that would be on the field at the same time and then mark andrews To and then whoever you got it running back jk guts whoever I would love that just to um because this mismatch is all day and you see like ravens We we we talk about the ravens with the offensive line We've been talking about that for a long time and it is true the offensive line wasn't good But the bingles they they just they had a terrible offensive line things bro got sacked the most times in the league, right? Something like that They made it to a super bowl so ravens like uh Yeah, that that that shows adjustments right there. That's all that's all the adjustments straight up It's adjustments now not saying that you should be like all right. We're gonna neglect the offensive line No, no, no still go for it. But Like ravens gotta step this thing up man. And the last question on this episode came from my boy, uh, gold morano He said in graven, please forgive me for my persistence I know that I keep beating this horse But I can't help noticing that the two best teams in the super bowl Just happened to have the two best wide receivers in the league chase jamar chase and cooper cup Coincidence, I think not we have a great supporting cast, but we're not there yet Yes, the qbs are also elite. But even the last time the rams went to the super bowl. They had isaac bruce and tori hoate I'm feeling more convinced than ever that elite wire receivers are the key to super bowl victories The rams left tackle is 40 years old Left tackle is obviously a very important position But that position doesn't have to be filled with the team's first round selection based on what the rams have in place You must invest heavily into your offense a quote from engraving This guy need he said this Excuse me. This is what we need. I ain't even had breakfast yet. I'm over here burping He said this is what we need a wire receiver who's six two six three his body fat is 12% Oh, you making me look at myself now like hold up Body fat, but um, then he talked about they need to be from anywhere from 215 to 220 pounds Uh, their 40 yard dash needs to be either for it from a four two to a four three five Vertical leap needs to be 38 inches to 42 inches They need to be able to squat 405 pounds or more catches with his hands and not his body That's true strong willed ballhawk and injury history zero Love that Love that.  You had this bryant. Um But It's been rough for the raven and that's that's the only reason history Um, and not that those guys were bad. Uh, it just just really didn't work out like that Uh, so yeah, man. Um When when you talk about these these uh attributes Um, so you obviously looking for a taller guy. So yeah, I could agree with that 215 to 220 pounds. So Not tiny not huge, but Still got some good weight on them 40 yard there. So you want him to be fast? He got to have some good speed. So yeah, uh vertical leap 38 inches 42 inches So he got to be able to jump out the gym. Okay, but the squat that's the one I like the most You got to be able to squat 405 pounds. So you want somebody that's strong too And then you talked about catches with his hands and not his body.  Well, you know what?   I decided we're gonna do a little bonus question on this episode This next last question for real and it came from my boy Justin. He said I was sitting at work thinking What happened to the explosive ravens joe flacker with his hail mary in a divisional game Ray Lewis and ad read probably every game and even Lamar with his crazy runs I even miss mark anger running all over people the explosiveness has been lost And it was not just this season but last season was a little dim for them as well I think having this number 14 pick could give us a chance to get an explosive player Like we have been needing Lamar will stay explosive. But all of that comes with the people around them I love you guys the team keep it clean and like the chiefs With it came to their playoff hopes. I'm out So, yeah, that's that's a really really good point They they were missing that they have been missing that now early on in the season It was happening here and there there was some explosive plays I remember week one against the raiders with Lamar He's scrambling around flight 20 minutes and he finds hollywood in the back of the end zone That was an explosive play. Um, even in that same game. There was a big catch to sammy walkins And then we see In the lions game. Well, that that game was pretty slow Until the very end you got a fourth to 19 and then you throw to uh, sammy walkins and He ends up catching that big play and then of course the 66 yard field goal And then even the week prior to that Uh, the chief's game lamar with the jump pass to hollywood and they they had a lot of explosive play Yeah, they had some explosive plays in that one. Um, obviously that that tyson williams big run There was getting ready to be a touchdown and got the ball knocked out But then devindu they said, okay, we we're gonna finish this and he caught it Caught that fumble for the uh, the touchdown. So, um Yeah, man, they uh, but then in the Denver game, of course hollywood. That was just a bounce back game Uh, and there were there were some explosive plays throughout but yeah, they started to they started to lack Those explosive plays they started to um, the explosion sort of got turned off. So yeah, they do need that That's why I say overkill on office


Yeah, we're back. We're live. We're doing military in Hawaii here at two o'clock on a given Thursday. We're talking about cyber ready Hawaii. With Jodi Ito of the University of Hawaii. She's the chief security officer there. Wow. Well, I want your job Jodi. Okay, and Jill, Jill, she's with the state legislature, state senators that were. And I want your job do job. I wonder if I can have both jobs at the same time. I was associated with cyber ready Hawaii. So which one of you wants to tell us what that is. And a point to Jill. Well, thank you Jay and yes, in my former life I was in the Hawaii State Senate but really happy right now to be able to co direct cyber Hawaii with Jodi Ito our chair and you know really what it comes down to is, as we were talking about before attacks intrusions spyware it's everywhere these days and it was around before the pandemic but it definitely accelerated as all of us moved online, whether it was business or just interacting with family or learning. And so really we have to up our game and the federal government is aware that that has to happen to because attacks can happen anywhere on the supply chain. So to make sure that our local businesses and organizations can compete for these federal dollars, whether it's Department of Defense or any other federal contractor, we want to make sure that our local companies are cyber ready. And that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people, but the bottom line is, this is about making sure that the best practices to keep your digital presence safe and secure, your clients, you know your customers safe and secure. This program make sure that you are ready to be able to compete for those contracts and put these best practices and safeguards into place and we've been thrilled to be to work with Jodi and so many others to, you know, make this happen. Well, what I get is, you know, the alliance, the business alliance between the Chamber of Commerce and, you know, the military community needs this, because you have to have these contractors prepared to come work for the government to meet the specifications, especially the security specifications and doing work for the government. And we the public, we certainly want that we want the government to be secure and we want you to have people who are. How come I about security working for the government, it all works together. Jodi, what are your thoughts about how, how you do this. Do you have meetings classes, what do you do. So it's a variety of approaches so what we're doing with the cyber ready Hawaii program is we're also working with the young, young students and recent graduates to also try to train them up to become mentors for the small and medium businesses in the cyber readiness program so we're working with partners the cyber readiness Institute, who has developed some curriculum and the mentors the cyber leaders would then walk through the program with the business is and it's not just filling out a checklist. It's about making sure that with the businesses they go through and do you have the right policies in place do you have the proper onboarding and off boarding. So what other kinds of practices do you want to put in place for your company to make sure that your company becomes cyber ready, and is practicing what we call the basic safeguarding. So the federal government is coming out with these programs called the cybersecurity maturity model certifications. And basically, if you want to participate for federal dollars, these, especially defense contractors, they need to be certified at that level of safeguarding level. So this program is designed to bring the businesses up to that level, and then hopefully it won't be that difficult for them to get their certification later on. So part of it is check the box. You have to have certain certain procedures certain systems in place in your company to meet the federal military specifications. You can teach them about that. But what about, what about in general, you know the risks of cyber attack, because you know you'll agree with me it's a moving target. Absolutely. Go Jill. I just want to stress what Jodi mentioned is a key component of this program that really separates it from I think what might be out there, you know, as well. It's really the human element to all of this so when you think about cybersecurity and you know in tech, you might think it's a lot of hardware and a software it's all these technical aspects but the reality of this is, people are key to making sure businesses and organizations, everyone in the pipeline are secure.   You know that you don't just say I got somebody I hired a company a vendor to take care of me, you've actually sat down and have the conversation about what happens if, and when I get attacked because we know it's not an if question. For many people it's going to be a when question so if I do get infiltrated what are the first three things I've got to do. The first person I call this can't just be a check off the box go online fill out a form kind of thing. It really is about sitting down virtually nowadays with someone who's going to take you through that process and have that conversation with you and I think what's really been rich about the cyber ready Hawaii program. As Jodi mentioned, we have young cyber leaders who will be the next wave, next generation of cyber professionals like Jodi out there so it's great we're able to train up future forces of Jodi ethos we can't get enough of those I will tell you that right now. But at the same time we're pulling people like Jodi back in as mentors, and they're able to sit down with a lot of these companies and these young leaders and have conversations about what's it really like to protect the University of Hawaii system. How would I deal with every single day and how would I address a question that they might have so this mentorship train the trainer component one on one conversation. That's really what makes this a very rich meaningful program that I think will yield results beyond even thinking of, you know far 52 and CMMC and every other federal acronym you can think of, but looking at creating a strong cybersecurity presence and capacity human capacity here in Hawaii. So that's really exciting for me.  No, the program. I'm just kidding. This is a brand new program that is kicking off right now through the support of D bed but I will say this cyber Hawaii's entire mission has always been about growing the human capacity and the cybersecurity capacity of our state working with various organizations and government entities so it's really staying true to the mission of cyber Hawaii as well. So you have a connection on this I mean you're obviously for many years you were in the interstices of the state legislature I realized now that you left 2018 as I recall. But, but, but that that tends to carry on because you're familiar with the way state government works and I recall also that the program the cyber security program we're talking about is connected with the bed. Can you talk about that connection. Yes, so I think and I'll let definitely Jodi speak to this as well, because she can really really a lot of the, you know the frontline experiences she's had but I think it's a real strong realization by government at all levels including the state that as a result of the businesses in attacks and trillions of increased dependency quite frankly on the Internet, and this type of communication we've got to make sure that we're secure we can't take it for granted that our companies, big or small are prepared and so this grant really is to be proactive in understanding what Jodi mentioned that the feds are coming down with more stringent guidelines, and even the most basic requirements that seem simple, not everyone has put them in place, you'd be surprised. And so making sure that we can walk our companies through that so that they are ready to compete for federal dollars which is a big portion of our economy, quite frankly. So this really is a proactive a step to make sure that our companies are ready, but as well make sure we have the cyber security professionals, ready to be able to work side by side our businesses and organizations. So the local industries you know the military contractor industry to be prepared to do the work qualified to do the work because if you don't do that. Then, then you'll have contractors coming from the mainland who will be qualified. So we have to make sure our local contractors are qualified in order to build that that sectors I think that's what the alliance is about. And the Chamber of Commerce is certainly obviously interested in doing that, because it wants to, you know, build business in Hawaii in general. Let me go to you Jodi, you know, we talked before about how it's a moving target. Every time you turn around there's some crisis, and it's front page crisis you know ransomware. And of course when when we hear about ransomware and these other cyber attacks we know that those who conduct those attacks would love to attack military institutions military information. And that includes Russia my favorite cyber attackers Russia. And I guess I'm also there with China. And actually, just this past Monday the Department of Justice unsealed an indictment that was actually their alleging for Chinese attackers. And so it actually is an attack that lasted several years. So it's actually an interesting read to understand the mentality and the patients that these attackers have. And recently you've been seeing the slew of ransomware attacks that's been going on through this pandemic and so examples are the colonial pipeline attack, which actually affected the fuel supply. There was a cyber attack a ransomware attack on a meatpacking plant which is now affecting our food supply chain. And so these attacks are happening everywhere. The whole cyber criminal organizations around ransomware is very commoditized so very organized. So they actually have groups that will compromise the infrastructure so the computers and the networks, and then they sell that on the dark web, and the ransomware operators will buy the compromise infrastructure and then conduct the ransomware attacks. And but it's so big that CISA the cybersecurity infrastructure security agency from the federal government just stood up a stock ransomware website that was just announced this week. And it is a big thing that threats change all the time ransomware is sort of the malware du jour of right now. That's not to say that you know what is the next attack going to be and how do we prepare for it. And so again cyber ready Hawaii is helping to at least get that basic understanding and awareness and uplift of the security posture across way in general. It's really very frustrating because no sooner do you solve or move away move off one problem then another one pops up, and it's a fresh threat so to speak and absolutely come up with a fresh solution. And you're never done with it you're it's never over the thread is always there.  So to the point where ransomware is sort of the malware of our current cycle. If you patch your machines make sure you don't have any vulnerability you strong password multi factor authentication. These are some of the things that prevent the machines from being compromised in the first place. So therefore the ransomware operators cannot come in and encrypt your, your data. So it, while the attacks change. A lot of times, some of the basic practices can help prevent some of those additional new attacks coming in the state of mind. There are a number of issues than just one attack it's a state of mind and on perfection. Let me let me go to you for a minute, Jill, because we have a question. I love questions it means that people care about what you're saying. Okay, quote, I think there is a great need for people to be educated on how to do business with the government in general. Surely we all agree to that. And that's part of the military in Hawaii show itself. It's a core point. Now was cyber cyber readiness being only part of it. Are there some good resources, Jill, but nonprofits and small businesses to get educated on how to do business with the government in general, cyber and in general, Yeah, no, absolutely. That's a great question and you're absolutely correct right the cyber ready Hawaii program is just one component of doing business effectively building that relationship with the federal government if you're a small business an organization. I would say other resources are out there is a small business administration they've got great programs and depending on the kind of organization you are, they may have additional resources maybe you're a woman on minority owned business or veterans business right there might be a lot of different training programs and even resources grant programs loan programs that you could benefit from so definitely SBA. Another one I'm a fan of is a small business development center. They have a slew of resources to look at helping businesses become federal contractors, you know some basic tips to much more refined tips so I would say those two particular resources off the top of my head would be great for people to connect with and again also, you know, if you happen to be, you know, a native wine organization. If you happen to be minority owned women owned there are other resources as well that you could tap into but love the fact that there's a recognition that we often work together to get everyone ready to be able to compete compete aggressively for the contracts Absolutely. And for many years Hawaii just didn't want to read the manuals. And now we have learned it started it I want to say in the 90s when Pat Sullivan of Ocean it decided to read the manuals. And all of a sudden oh my god there's a there's a wealth of work out there why don't we do that. And he built this company around that notion and now we understand that better. And you guys are implementing the same idea. So joining you know I do want to emphasize that you are the chief security officer of the University of Hawaii systems which all the campuses and all that. That's that's quite a job, and certainly well qualifies you for this for this, you know the cyber, the cyber security program in the chamber of commerce. And one major question I want to start with what what exactly Jodi is your password. It's a secret. And it shouldn't just be a password you should be using multi factor authentication so even if your password.  It's like that had on TV with this, this kid has his mother, I just got an email what what's the best word to our family savings to count again. Right, right. But you know that's how a lot of the phishing attacks are right, they sort of read this story and they slide in what they want from you and you feel like you want to help them. So, especially us from being from Hawaii, we're so willing and wanting to help people that oftentimes we won't think twice and we'll just respond to the email, and then later it's after the fact you go, Oh, I wonder if that was a phishing email that I give up any kind of personal information. And oftentimes the attack stems from you responding to a phishing email. So how do we make sure that people recognize what that is and what the new techniques, the spear fishers are using to try to infiltrate your mailboxes and then drop malware on your computers. That's an interesting point you raise. It's like, so you had a moment where you weren't really focused, and you were being agreeable, and aloha whatnot, and you bit you bit on the bait, and you realize just a second afterward but too late. They just got something from you. They're going to do something to you. Yes. So here's my question show you you must have seen this, you know, in your life and times at the university. What's what's the, what's the, what's the step after that you just realized you've been mad. What do you do. It depends like if you gave up your, your, maybe a social security number or a phone number or some other personal information, go back and think where else you've used that information. Definitely if it's your social security number, you know, make sure you do a credit freeze on all of your, your credit accounts, right, or if it's a credit card, just put a stop on it immediately, just to make sure nothing happens to it. But what we're seeing right now a lot of times it's passwords that may inadvertently be given out. So just change your password right away or turn on multi factor authentication right away. So it really depends on what information you gave to them, and then think about how it's used in your personal life, and then go back and do the prevention around that. The Federal Trade Commission does have a lot of good information about what you can do when you think you've been compromised. And again, the methodology that you take will depend on what you gave. Do you have any further advice on resources for nonprofits and small businesses who want to get educated in cyber to deal with the federal government. You know, mentioned a bunch of them, but what you have any other thoughts on that. So from and so I'm coming from the cybersecurity side because that's, you know, my real house. The Department of Homeland Security does have a lot of resources online, and the cisa.gov website is a fairly new agency within our federal government and they are actually providing a lot of what they call cybersecurity information. The one thing that I would suggest everybody does is sign up for they're calling it the advisories so that if there's a vulnerability in a product that you use, at least you'll know about it quickly, and then they'll also publish the steps you can take to fix it. So, you know, the earlier you know that there's a vulnerability with any of the applications or computers that you use, the sooner you can patch it up, the less likely you're going to be a victim. Everybody should sign up for that and follow it. So least you can do to protect yourself. You know, we've been talking about the federal government, we've been talking about small and medium business and we know that small and medium businesses and nonprofits are the backbone of this state. And it's not only government, I mean, federal government, some of it is state government, you know, and you were involved in the interstices and you still are involved in the interstices of state government. So the same principles apply. What advice, what help can people get if they are in small businesses, small and medium businesses, in dealing with the state of Hawaii or the counties. Mm hmm. Well, that's a great question and absolutely we know that the state government isn't necessarily easier to deal with, because it's smaller than the federal government I can say that openly now. So, but there are there are definite resources, right that they can go to I know the Hawaii Alliance of nonprofit organizations is a good one the Chamber of Commerce. So, you know, a little plug there is also really good at helping people to navigate and I would just say the cyber readiness program that we're offering the cyber radio program is a great foundation for anyone looking to first and foremost safeguard themselves and their business interests, but also look to engage with government at all levels because as Jody mentioned, these requirements, they're nothing new.  So I would say the cyber to Hawaii program is a great entry point to getting you connected and ready to deal with state government county government federal government as well. And it allows you to not just do it by yourself online but to be able to engage with professionals that have walked in your shoes have know what it's like to kind of feel a little bit nervous about did I do something wrong am I really prepared do I have the right person on board on the same as a vendor. It's a safe space to be able to get ready to engage with state federal government local government so I would really encourage people to, to come on board, and I want to jump back to the question you asked Jody the what happens after you press that button the oops my mistake that the lapse in judgment. What we always tell people is first and foremost, don't just turn off your computer walk away and think it's going to be okay.  It's really knowing who in some cases if it's your business or what not who to call first to let them know that I think I may have compromised the system, you know alerting people never being ashamed to ask for help, you know, putting those calls in as Jody mentioned because I think more than not we see issues of denial, if I just turn it off, it'll go away right. It looks like it's never happened and so it is about creating this culture and that's what we talk in our training program with people out creating a culture of comfort with technology and understanding that we're all humans. So what do we do in this case, if we accidentally press yes give up our password other information. Just putting it out there don't just walk away. That's very valuable advice, a very good point that because what you what you learn from cyber ready Hawaii changes improved the way you look at technology in general. And we all have to do that we can't turn our backs on it. Let me let me go to another point that you and I discussed before the show. And it you know it tracks on the whole thing about how this is all changing always changing spiral up, you know it's a competition between the black hats and the white hats and what have you and you've been in this business. You know what happens everywhere. And it's a situation where you don't, you don't necessarily know that you made the mistake, you know, it's not whoops, it's, oh, right, right.  In fact military data have been compromised. Now my recollection is the law requires you to report that. And so what can you talk about what to do when you come to the conclusion that something, something happened a long time ago, and you have been compromised. So definitely if you're a state agency with Hawaii state government, you do have a due diligence to report to one or state legislature through the Hawaii by statute for 87 and they actually provide very specific guidance as to what needs to be reported, how specific individuals need to be notified and timeframe by which you need to submit these reports to our government. Now, the federal side of it that is changing. Right now, I don't there's certain duties to report. I think if you're have a deal Department of Defense contract, but that's not to say that you have that same reporting requirement for other agencies, you do for HIPAA data for data, there is a requirement. And for student information there's also a requirement but what the government is doing right now there are bills going through our Congress Congress right now that wants to mandate reporting requirements across all industries not just government. And so, especially around critical infrastructures. Those are our power or water or transportation private companies would need to report an incident within I think they're looking at 72 hours. And that's a very short window. We're not sure where it's going to go. But the idea is with the reporting then people have to be more transparent. Hopefully they can get more assistance quickly to prevent the hidden types of ramifications from the attacks that you were talking about. But again, the compromises are huge. And it's lots of times from the private company you don't hear about it until like maybe a year later. So I think they want to try and get that transparency out in front of it. Yeah, and we want the military to know if there's been a compromise, because you know that's really important for national security. One of the things that Jodi and I talked about before the show Joe was the Pegasus at the NSO company in Israel that sold this very special powerful software to governments, and then somehow it got out of the government or maybe to the wrong You know that we're authoritarian governments in the nature of a way to surveil terrorists but it went way beyond that. And now we have a global crisis on this, what do you call it zero click. Yeah, spyware that could go on anybody's phone and could take all your information all your data and surveil you for the rest of time voice and video and everything you have, even if it's encrypted. Once it gets in without even a need for you to click on it. So, you know, to me, I mentioned to Jodi that this is the game changer. And it changes the way that the world works it changes the way we work. It changes the, you know, the, the transmission of information on cell phones voice and data both. So my question is, how does this impact. I mean maybe too early to ask you this question but let me see what you say. So Joe, how does this change things for cyber ready Hawaii with a game changer of this kind of threat. You know, I think really what it, what it does for a program like cyber ready Hawaii and it really is embedded in the curriculum that we have for businesses but also to train those cyber leaders those young professionals that are helping to lead this. It's really to make sure people are flexible, they're nimble they're prepared and they're ready to think outside of the box because you're absolutely right every day. The way we are attacked the where these the way these intrusions take place and where they enter from it changes every single day. Another thing we have on our side is we have a human brain and human people right there that are able to be flexible, receptive and ready to respond to these incidences. What I love about what Jodi folks do at the university is they are training our children to think differently, and to prepare and to anticipate all these types of attacks and to hopefully even be in front of it. Before the next one even hits us. That's a mindset change. We're not thinking about how old we are but our generation, we were through that we've been through. You know, we are brains aren't hardwired to think and respond and adapt to these constant attacks, but these this next generation, they are and so that's really what's exciting to about what cyber Hawaii does, you know, throughout the P 20 pipeline is we know that it's not just adults working now. It's the kids that are in school to be able to prepare for that next attack it's Pegasus Pegasus today. I have no idea what it's going to be tomorrow. But if we create a workforce locally prepared to adapt and to not just you know defend but attack at some point. That's really where our strength lies in in terms of our cybersecurity capacity. And that's coming soon and some of your students show me may be the ones that can do that. The younger they are the more confident they are seem like. I'd love to be for them to be able to take that spyware reverse it so that we know how to protect against it right. I think some of the things we're talking about is like the company and so they created this spyware and they're selling it. They're in a really good position to go out and create the antidote to the spyware and sell that to right so then they can play both sides of it. But really it is about when you see the malware or how do you get ahead of it and a lot of it is you actually have to do something called reverse engineering to understand what is going on and then therefore you can put in the antidote or the preventive measures. And that it cannot embed itself and it cannot go live. And this is a skill set that we really need and our intelligence communities also looking for that skill set to right as we get attacked so this is a field where there is definitely is job security. Well taken yeah absolutely. And then looking into the future that will be so increasingly so as we go forward. Absolutely. Thank you Jody. I hope that all the right people were listening to this show to get the idea that if NSO could develop Pegasus NSO could reverse Pegasus just as easily. Nobody in the world is as well qualified to do that. So yeah by stock and NSO immediately. Okay well let's we're about out of time and I want to offer Jill and Jody the opportunity to make closing remarks about the subject about cyber ready Hawaii about the military in Hawaii chamber of commerce and the future of what you want to call it the military contracting sector of our economy Jill. Oh well thank you for having us you know and just the bottom line really comes down to the fact that the cyber ready Hawaii program is about people and making sure our people have the capacity and the know how to protect our interests to compete. You know for those federal contracts to help build and sustain our economy both from the defense perspective and across the chain and you know we're very very excited to see where this leads because if anybody has the know how as Jody said to get ahead of things to reverse the future of the future near the issues to be at the front the tip of the spear when it comes to combating a lot of these cyber security threats. It's our people here in Hawaii. So we're very proud to be able to spot partner with the university with the chamber our partners that cyber readiness Institute and others to be able to make sure that our cybersecurity capacity here in Hawaii is strong and that really means our people are strong educated and they're ready so thank you so much for having us and please people log on to cyber Hawaii and you know be a part of our cyber ready Hawaii program.  It's not only they deal with the federal government they deal with they they change their way of looking at things they deal with all governments and all industries and from them, I would add this myself from them, we may have, we may find that there are some people who can solve really difficult problems. We want Hawaii to be very Akamai about this, not only for the government but for the world. May I say, we the right countries the right. Absolutely. So Jody what would you add what is your final statement your final summary your final advice. So to what Jill said it really is about the people, making sure that we as the Hawaii community understands the cyber threats and how to protect ourselves. So really if you have the opportunity there's a small and medium business feel free to come through the program. This is actually a bleeding ed program. It's not been done anywhere else in the country. So there are a lot of eyes on this project, and we really want to be successful and small and medium businesses please go to the cyber Hawaii community.org website and sign up. It really is several months I think it was, I'm sorry is a four week program Joe. It's about four to six weeks and we'll be doing this for the next 12 months so we're looking for a lot of, a lot of organizations to participate.  So you really want to be part of this huge momentum and this wave so, but thank you for this opportunity Jay we really appreciate your having us us. I'm encouraged, you know kudos to the Chamber of Commerce kudos to the university kudos to DBED. Good for you guys. This is a great program for Hawaii, and it has it has legs it will, it will help with all thank you so much. Thank you.