All right, look, if I asked you to tell me how many red cars you saw today on your way to work, you'd probably have a tough time remembering all of them.  I bet you wouldn't have a tough time recognizing those. Well, guess what? That's how luck works. What you look at is what you see. If you look out for opportunities, if you look out for blessings, you'll notice more of them. Yes, that changes everything. It changes absolutely everything. So if all you're looking for, all the reasons why you can't succeed, you're going to find them. If what you look for are the reasons why you can succeed and all the opportunities, guess what? You'll find those. What you look at is what you see. Wow. Have you guys ever heard that before? Yeah, that was 12 red cars. I was wondering where you were going with that. I know. I wrote that up there. What sparked that? What sparked that? I actually saw someone else say the same thing earlier on social media. I'm like, I'm going to steal that. That's pretty good. Brilliant. And then not give him any credit, because you know. Yeah, I don't know where I said it. No, it's a guy. Apparently it's a common thing to hear. I've heard it said in different ways. It's true. It's so true. It's like when you feel blessed, for example, you start to see blessings. When you feel like you're just a victim, well, you start to see all the reasons why you are a victim. It's a mindset shift. And in fitness, if all you're looking at is a scale, you'll miss all the other incredible things that are happening to your body as you embark on this fitness journey. If all you see is the mirror, you're going to miss out all these amazing things. So it's important to keep your scope wide, to be present and to have that positive outlook. Like, all right, what are the positive things that are happening? How am I moving in the right direction? Not only does it allow you to see the things that are good, but it allows you, I think more importantly, to reframe the things that are tough. I think I brought this up on an earlier podcast. I can't remember, there's actually a term for this, but when people look back on challenging times in their life, they tend to look back on them and they tend to reframe them and say, you know, that was really tough, but here's where I learned, here's where I grew from. So we can do this, you know, on our own when we look back, it makes a big difference. So it's interesting you're bringing this up. Um, I was actually building this, this list last night and so for the audience that doesn't know, we've, we just recently have launched the, the 40 plus program, right? And in there is the first time that we have ever put any real emphasis on lifestyle stuff included. And so I've decided to one, not only follow that, but I'm also going to kind of add to that list. And this is my thought process. So this is what I was doing as it's made that list.  And I'm also trying to get back into the reading, the Bible. So I want to have my book that I read that I want to, I want to work on my, you know, spiritual health. And, um, there was something else that I was just telling Katrina that I wanted to care, oh, like as far as doing for others and giving and like, so I have all these like things, right? And, and I, I would categorize them all as like my overall health, right? And my thought is at first glance, someone might go, that's a lot. You're going to overwhelm yourself with all that. I'm like, that's my, my big goal.  But what I, what I know that I'm setting myself up for is an opportunity to move the needle in the right direction on any of those categories. And so long as I'm, and I'm chipping away at, at any of them, I'm moving in the right direction. Now, ultimately, I want to do them all, right? Ultimately, I want to read this, read that one, give to someone, do this, hit my workout, hit my protein, do the water, do. But the really the way I look at it and the way I would teach clients is that you pay attention to all those things because all those things are serving you and making you a better version of yourself, a healthier version of yourself. And there's going to be times when, unfortunately, you don't get to the gym or you don't hit your macros like you're supposed to. Or maybe I didn't read the book, but maybe I did a couple of the other things and doing those couple of other things, moving the needle in the right direction is still a win. It's not the ultimate win for the day. It doesn't mean that I hit it out the park. But what happens is if you can, if you can focus on those things, it's a lot easier to stay motivated to keep getting better and committed versus all you think about is the scale. I want to lose 10 pounds. I just want to lose 10 pounds and you get fixated on that. And that's all your, and then you have a day where the scale goes up, you know, or you didn't get your workout. And then you're like beating yourself up over this, this one failure, this one thing you're focused on versus having all these things that I'm trying to keep my eyes open for and pay attention to and get better at and being able to celebrate those wins. I've just had way more success with framing my, my health and fitness pursuit in like that or from that lens. Oh, a hundred percent.  Teenagers can be kind of tough like that.  I'm like, what do you mean create space? She's like, just be around them where you guys are both doing nothing. You know, driving in the car.  We're just going to drive or just sit with them and hang out and have nobody be distracted type of deal. And so I'm like, okay, I'm doing that. And at first I'm like, it's not working. We're just sitting there and we're bored or whatever. Like, what's going on type of deal? And she's like, but are you guys sitting together? Like, well, yeah. She's like, okay, well, is that more than what we were doing before? I guess you're right. You're right. Now, of course, as I continue to do this, then those opportunities do arise and we start to connect more and sometimes it's through challenge, sometimes it's through whatever, but it's really about where you place your, your focus and we tend to look at such small things or we tend to measure our success based off of like money's a big one, right? Like businesses, people will start a business or start working and they'll look at just the profit.  They might have bailed or made decisions that would have tried to force profit that would have been not so smart in the long, in the long run. So it's just really about how you look at things. And you know, I brought up luck earlier, you know, when you talk to people who feel like they're blessed or lucky, it's really these opportunities that pop up that they were just kind of open to it's like, you know, like, oh, I went to this business event, trying to talk about my product and I ended up failing that product actually didn't succeed. But because I was there, I met this one guy, we became friends, it turns out his cousin had this other idea, we started working together. And it's like, they're able to look back and connect the dots to, and that's how I became preparing for that moment. That's right. You know, it's that constant thought process and preparation of how to, you know, create that kind of space for something awesome to happen. I mean, I've actually been talking a lot about this stuff too with my kids, especially my youngest, because, you know, there's, there's bits and bouts of frustration and it's very frequent. And so what something I've been trying to do with him actually over the last few weeks has to start reframing a lot of these things. And we, before bed, and I'll put him to bed, we'll talk about three things he's grateful for. And so he's constantly trying to kind of like figure out those, those things that like recurringly he's like very thankful that he has or like are going well for him, but also to one thing that he's, he's going to improve tomorrow. And it's always like the next day, just one thing I just want to improve anything. And we go through the list.  And so we're going to see if hopefully like he can start learning that because it is, it's, it's not just something like, otherwise we're just reactive and like, oh, you know, yeah, when it's awesome, it's like, yeah, all these things are happening to me. And it's like, no, it's not like it's not magical that that's happening. There's, there's a process. Psychologists and, you know, experts on the human mind will tell you that the stories would tell ourselves is how we frame the world. It literally becomes the roadmap and the, the lenses through which, which we view things, right?    And that story is how you're going to view things. So you can either make it intentional, like you're telling your son, this is what we got to do. And you got to make it intentional. Look, it's like living in the, in the modern world. If you live in the modern world and you don't intentionally try to eat healthy, you don't intentionally try to be active and exercise properly. You are going to be unhealthy. That's the default 100%. That's, that's what's going to happen.  And so that's essentially, you know, what this, this is all kind of about. I love that. Um, I think it's a Chinese proverb. Maybe Andrew can, can find it for the editing team, hopefully can, can put it in and be cool to insert it right here for the, for the YouTube and Spotify viewers. Um, but it's the one where, uh, he died. And I remember.  Oh, that's terrible. First, he falls off though. He gets a horse.  He caught a wild horse and then that, that, oh, how lucky you are. Oh, maybe, you know what I'm saying? And then, and then his son falls off the horse, breaks his leg, breaks his leg. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. Well, maybe, you know, and then it, then it finds out that they come by and it's like they're recruiting for, for young men to go off to war. And because his son was injured from the horse, he didn't have to go to war. And so his son will say, oh, it's so good. It's, I mean, it, and it's such a, a good way, I think, to, to look at things in our life that, you know, we look at. And when I think about the, the things that have gone through in my 40-something years, the stuff that was some of the most difficult and challenging and stressful and hard, it also resulted in some of the best things afterwards. It's just when you're in it, when you're in it and you're not seeing the results or it's not happening for you, you're getting frustrated. It's like, yeah, that's the, the difficult part is to push through. The difficult part is to, to battle through that and to not give up and to stay focused and to, to reframe this as an opportunity for growth, an opportunity to get better, an opportunity to learn. And then when you make it to that, right, on the other side resides success, right? So if I can get on the other side of fear, then there's where the success is at. And so as you fear this unknown of I don't know or I'm going to make it or I'm failing, man, the other side is so great. And what I found is the harder, the darker, the worse the thing is in my life, obviously the more challenging, but also the more rewarding when you get to say things that are minor obstacles and challenges, we all face them every day, right?  But when it's like, man, that would have crushed another person. Well, you, it's forced you to change and grow. That's how you're able to get out of the other. And that brings the best version of you out. To me, I think that's so. You know, I remember, I've told this story before, but I had this one woman, this was a turning point in my career as a trainer, where she was coming to work out with me and, you know, she was supposedly keeping a food diary and she wasn't losing weight. And it turned out she was lying or not being honest on the food diary. And I had this really like basically confronted her and was a bit aggressive with this one. You blew out. Yeah. And she never came back. And I remember thinking like, oh, man, like my whole lens was, you know, that she has to lose weight. Like, that's why she hired me. But I ended up missing out on the fact that a woman who never exercised before was showing up consistently twice a week and had been with me. Like, that was a win.  And I'm pretty sure she never went back. I'm pretty sure her experience was so bad that she probably never tried again. If she did, thank God. But if I hadn't looked at it, if I had looked at it differently, because later on I was good at that.  And then they would be like, you're right, you're right. And then eventually the weight loss would happen. But yeah, I did the opposite, you know, initially. Today's giveaway is this super bundle. Here's how you can win it. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. We also have our brand new program launched. There's only two days left for maps, 40 plus. This is for people who are fit and healthy, who already work out who are 40 years old or over. This is not a watered down weakened version of other programs. This is a legit workout program that just takes into special considerations, the challenges that happen after you turn 40 years old. Again, it's a launch, so it's on sale. If you're interested, click on the link at the top of the description below. You have two days left for the launch special. All right, back to the show. Speaking of kids and stuff, I gotta tell you guys, toddlers are great because a toddler's day can be ruined by almost anything. So this is hilarious because this morning, and I knew this would happen. So in the morning, I'll make my three year old two egg yolks and a slice of toast. This is like his traditional breakfast. We like to eat.  Sometimes she goes in the morning, so she took him. So I'm getting his breakfast ready. And I opened the bag of, we got this gluten-free bread. It's really good, but every once in a while, not super common, but you get the sliced bread. And the bread itself has got like a hole in it or like doesn't shape the way it normally is.  The bread's got, it's kind of got like a hole. This is like the breakie. This is like the breakie of the banana. Yes, dude. Like that happens with any parrots. So it's got like this hole in it kind of, right?  But anyway, the hole ends up going almost all the way through. I'm like, I'm not gonna throw away a whole loaf of bread. So I find the one slice where the hole is maybe not so whatever. Toast it. Put it on the table. I'm not gonna say anything. Sure enough, dude.  Oh, he sits down. There's a hole in my bread. Oh my god. I'm like, yeah, it's all good. I don't want that.  This to me. I should just cut off the piece of bread and give it to him. But even then, it would have been, kids are hilarious like that. They are funny. He's so funny. He's so funny. Give me some water. Okay, not in that cup in this cup. No, now I want to hold it. Okay, you hold it. No, you got it. Now I spilled it. Ah, well, that's because he's the wrong cup, dude. Just a pinch of needles. Just a good time. It's gonna be great because yours are so close in age. It's gonna be fun to see the two of them in the next, like, probably year. Oh, he's been, she's at one right now. She's one. A little one's one.  Well, he's got some, he's got definitely some jealousy with her. But my wife is so good at getting him to identify or getting the kids to identify how they feel. So he'll say it now. Like, I'm jealous.  I don't like her right now. And so he'll say it out loud. But he's been going through this, like, little period, right? Well, kind of turned a corner yesterday where I was with both of them. And he was including her in the game that we were playing, which normally he wouldn't do. Normally it'd be like he just wants me and her, me and him to play and she can't. Can't even approach me. So he was giving her the ball to throw. And then, and then he had this little toy that there was this door that opens. And he spent like 10 minutes. That's an eternity for a three-year-old. He spent like 10 minutes teaching her how to open the door. And then she would try to do it. No, Dahlia. It's like this. And he's trying. And he was like so patient. I was just sitting there. And I, you know, I pull out my phone trying to, like, hopefully he didn't see me recording because that ruins the whole thing. Right, right. So I caught some of it. But it was so cute. So I'm like, oh, are we, are we on the other end of the jealousy thing? I'm always so torn in those moments, right? Like of, like, just being present and like enjoying it versus recording it. Because there's, I see the plus to both, right? Like obviously you're in that moment and you're like, oh my god, this is such a wonderful moment.  But then there's also, I've caught some of those on camera. And it's so awesome because I'll go back and I'll watch that. And I'm like, oh, I remember. If they see the camera, it ruins the phone. Yeah, that's, the key is that you don't allow them to see that you're recording and you're doing that. I just, I caught Max the other night. This was really just a few nights ago. And he was like in his bed by himself. Like he can't read, but he thinks he can read, right? So he's like, all by himself, just reading through the book, you know, and like literally for like, he was doing it for like 10 minutes. I'm like, oh my god, I got to catch this on film. So I creeped over the door and I was like standing right, right at his doorway and I probably got a good solid minute of watching, of recording before he popped up. Hey, you're right, you're recording me and then he saw. But I was watching you read. Yeah, I caught, yeah, it was Everett was, he was singing in the shower. He had his music. Oh, that's great. And he was like just belting it out. You know, he's really getting into singing and like trying to like find his voice. And it's like, it's, it's cute. It's hilarious.  You know, like the door is closed and everything. But I just wanted to capture just like his voice. What was he singing? Is he singing like popular songs? Yeah, it was like, dude, it's all like 70s rock stuff. That's what he's singing. Yeah. Wow, that's wild. He's really into it, dude. And he'll sing like, all like the really impossible song like Journey and something like that. I'm like, you gotta, you gotta start with like the Ramones or, you know, something that's like, you know, it's somewhat easy to get bored. You know, I don't even, I didn't try to do any of that stuff. But, oh, there's this other funny thing I was going to bring out to you guys with the kids. Like there's, so in gymnastics, they do the white elephant thing which, you know, they're kind of picking. So white elephant, everybody brings a gift. You pick one and then someone can trade it with another one. Oh, okay. So it's not white elephant. So it's like, it's like a draw of the hat thing. But it's like a certain... Secret Santa. Secret Santa. Oh, that's what it is. Okay, I was trying to figure out what the hell it is. But they pick it and it's like 20 bucks or something. I'm like, what can you get for 20 bucks anymore? You can't even get 10 bucks. Nothing.  But so this guy like... That says cheeseburger cost 25 bucks. Dude, I have no idea. I was like trying to think of what I would even ask for. And so I think some of the kids in there, like the old... So there's older kids and then the younger kids. And so, uh, Everett got this older kid who, uh, handed him his list. And it was like, it had... Okay, so here's what it is. It said, um, he, he wanted window swiping. And we're like... Window swiping. Window swiping. What's that? What does that even mean? And so this, this turned into like a, like we're all driving home and we're like trying to like think about this. Is this some kind of urban dictionary term? And then we're going down the rabbit hole looking. We're asking all the other parents, like, what is window swiping mean? Is this something I'm like unaware of, you know, like all this stuff?  You know, like what... And so we start trying, nobody could figure it out. And so what we're going to end up doing, it's like, I guess like, you know, we're going to get some kind of like, uh, squeegee. And then like... You still don't know what it is? No! I have no idea.  You have no idea, like this whole time? Like you guys, window swiping and no one got to the bottom of it? Nobody got to the bottom of it. Dude, this kid's like... Did you Google it? Yes. Googled it, looked through it. Did you have a dictionary? Like anything, have no idea. And then it's like... Window swiping present or something like that or window swiping gif. Yeah. Ask the Google master. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm so bad at your story that we're going to find out what it was. I'm like, what is it? No. So my thing is like, he's... I think it's a troll, dude. I think he's trying to like be phoning a guy.  Oh yeah. What's that guy? Swiper, no swiping. Swiper? I'm trying to think what else if he maybe spelt something wrong and just reading it wrong. No, it's completely like hoot. Okay. Here's a funny one then for it because of the urban dictionary thing. Do you guys know what quaw stands for? In the urban dictionary? Do we make it? Yes. No. Oh, that's awesome. Apparently is. Okay. So it's quad, hairy dude butts. What? Wait, wait, wait. Together. A quaw is four. A quaw is four. Hairy asses together. Wow. Yeah. That's how I thought that worked. That wouldn't work. That wouldn't work with us because Doug's... Yeah. Doug's part of it. So anyways, that was interesting. I'm concerned you know that. Somebody else like told me they're like, I was searching what quaw was and then it sent them down. We got over there. So there's another urban dictionary when it says a mass quantity of all things amazing concentrated in one person place or thing. For what? It's a quaw. Oh, that's that's that's bad. I like that one better. I like that one better. I like that one better. I like that one better.  I'm not so excited about it. Hairy quaw and asses. You know that? For hairy guy asses. Talking about the kids you guys got me. I forgot that. So I remember I've been telling you guys how like we're now we're at the face we're at now is that we he's not just repeating us. He's repeating strangers and random people and just and inserting it and just like so perfect timing. I'm always so impressed when he says some of that and Katrina's we're eating two in the other other night and he goes, mommy, this is boring. She's like, what where did you learn boring? Who told you boring? You don't even know what boring means like that. He's picking up all these random words and when he and and I'd say he's like maybe 50-50 on like when he inserts it sometimes it doesn't just cute to hear them speak like like at a higher level. Yeah, eloquently. Yeah, that's what it is. When you see a little kid do that or at least as he comes up to me he's like, do you understand what I'm trying to say? I'm like, what? By the way, you know, he will not know I don't. He will not stop talking about Max and going to your house. I'm going to go to Adam Katrina's house. I want to play with Max. I'm like, you didn't play with Max. Max just let you play with all his toys. That's why you like him so much. Because Max is just, literally Max is like, here's my toys and then he leaves and he's like, this is the greatest kid in the world. We're best friends. Let him play. Let him play with all his toys and he's got all kinds of toys that are.  Dude, I got to ask you guys something. I did not know this. This is apparently this is true.  The average, the average American. Average American has a higher body fat percentage in the average pig. Yeah. What? Yeah. The average American man is 28% body fat. Whereas the average pig is about 16% body fat. Apparently it used to be 20% but now it's leaner because people like leaner meats. I didn't know that. Pigs don't look lean to me. Yeah, they're actually less about the, I mean obviously it's still not good that we're that fat. But that's actually not as, it's not as bad on the American side and it's not as lean as I would have thought on the pig side. I would have thought pigs were way more than 18 or 20. Yeah, it's got to be context, right?  Yeah, yeah. But that's wild. I'm offended. Which brings me to the next thing that just happened. Did you guys hear about Southwest? No. Oh god. Really? No. This makes me annoyed. But it doesn't make me annoyed for the reasons people would think. I'll tell you what makes me annoyed, what's annoying about it. So Southwest Airlines has this policy that now is going viral where if you're a passenger of size, this is what they call people now, a passenger of size that they will give you a free seat or a free row to accommodate for your size. Okay. So this is what Southwest is doing right now. Why? Here's... I don't know why. I think probably the... I mean, as long as they don't discriminate and a six foot, three, 240 pound dude could get two seats too, I feel like. Well, that's not fair. Yeah. You know why? You know why it's not fair though? Because people are thinking, well, what's the difference? Who cares? Southwest is giving them... Here's why. Southwest still has to make profits. So how do you think they can afford giving away free seats? They raise the fairs. By having people who are not passengers of size Exactly. Pay more. Yeah. They're going to subsidize the tickets of people who are not passengers of size, and they keep using their stupid term for people who are to make up the difference. So what's the... We had 9% for a pig that's really low. That's low. Pigs are ripped. Yeah, they are. They're more muscular than I thought they were. That's cool. That's awesome. So how do you... I'm really curious about this, the Southwest thing. How do you determine if somebody is a person of size is it... Yeah, is it obesity or is it being a tall dude? Yeah, like, do I determine that? Or do they determine that? So subjective. Yeah, because we don't... I don't like sitting on a side. I'm not a huge... But I'm 6'2". That's why I said that. And I don't feel very comfortable in those chairs. I definitely don't. You don't, for sure. So how do they decide? Do we know? Do you know? I feel like they're opening themselves up for some lawsuits, don't you? I feel like some tall dudes are going to be like, give me some free seats. No. Yeah. Why not? Is it because I'm not? You're not fat. Yeah, because I'm not fat. Or what's the deal? By the way, I think it's even worse because the 6'8 guy or 7' guy who's 270 pounds... He didn't eat himself to that. That's right. He can't control that. He's forever going to... He's tall. Nothing he can do to not be 6'7". Yeah. Like, that's crazy if he gets discriminated against. So now why isn't this applied to like roller coasters? So this is how they determine... Oh, let's hear it. So the armrests are the gauge. So if you're unable to lower both armrests and or encroach upon any portion of a seat next to you, you need a second seat. So it's not height, it's width. It's how wide you are. I mean, I totally encroach on the seat next to me. That's one of the things I can't stand. It's like, if I can't... Bro, we don't fly Southwest because they're not... Okay, but if you do, we should do this. We should have you go in. Take a picture. Hey, can I have some free seats next to me? Because I can't fit. Yeah. And does the customer request it? It's going to be interesting how this unfolds. Yeah. So it says basically what Doug said about the encroaching is correct. Like, if that's what qualifies you, so you can either buy one ticket and then talk to the customer service there at the departure gate and they will accommodate you and they'll move people around. Or you can purchase two tickets before and then get a refund after for one. Unbelievable. So it's not about... Because I thought for a second, well, if there's not a seat that's available, then they can't do it for you. But no, you can buy two, take up that seat, and then get it refunded afterwards.  Yeah, it used to be had to buy two seats. That is... And what makes me annoyed about this is what... Southwest is not cutting into the profits to make this happen. Southwest is... Everybody, the profits are total. So people who don't do this are going to pay more to accommodate people who do this. It's so wild because I don't even think... So if I qualified for this for being too tall, wide, and everything like that, and that would happen, which is a very good chance that I wouldn't even... I still would not want that. Like, I just don't think that's fair. Because I'm a big guy, I got... And again, I can't control my width and height really. You know what I'm saying? It's like, maybe if I got really, really skinny, I can control my width a little bit, but not for the most part. Well, is obesity a disability? That's the question. This is where it's going. Oh, that's what... Okay, that's the angle. Okay, I was just trying to wrap my brain around... Well, even then, you don't have an assigned seat, so you're going to have to profess that this is... They're going to have to tell everybody, well, you can't sit there because they need that space. Very rarely that I've ever flown on Southwest is there been extra seats, too. So if you don't buy the second ticket and you think you're just going to go up to customer service, how often are you going to even be able to get a second seat? Exactly. That's going to move everybody. Like, so what? Imagine you have to get off the plane? That'd be hilarious. That's what they're going to run into. This is crazy. They didn't handle this very well. This is crazy. This is insane. But yeah, it's if... Do you consider it a disability? I guess if the context is, it makes you less able to do things, yes. But if the context is that a disability is something you kind of don't have control over.  To look good or to get... No, to get us talking about it. Yeah. Like now, because there's going to be a whole host of people that are going to think like we do, which is this is bullshit and they're going to talk all about, they're just going to get the other side that's going to defend it. And it's going to just get a lot of... So no matter how it ends up playing out, you know, whether they accommodate, they don't, it's like the publicity they're going to get from doing something like this is massive. I want to be clear, by the way. This is a private company. They could do whatever they want. They could do whatever they want.  I think as a customer, it will annoy me to see this because I'm like, I know I'm paying more so this other person can get this. So this is the... But they're a private business. So I don't know. So we're going to get resentment from a lot of the other... And Southwest does pretty damn well so far. What did we have a discussion about this before? I mean, we talked about this with like the Gillette and things like that. Sometimes these stunts, I think, end up working out for... I mean, I don't know if that's a good example because I don't think Gillette worked out in their favor. But sometimes when they do stuff like this, because they get all the publicity around it, I mean, like that old adage, right? That, you know... Well, we are... Your bad publicity is good publicity. We are heading to a point here where a majority of people, if we continue this trend, we'll be obese. So the minority will be the person who is complaining about this. The majority is going to be everyone else. Yeah. And then what? Right? Well, the trends are going down. I mean, I would argue that we're already there because a majority of people are, I mean, almost a majority of people are already physically there. And then there's a bunch of people that just agree with that, that aren't there, right? There's people that are not obese that agree with that obesity is a disease, right? So there's definitely that. All right. So let me just keep pushing this. You go to a restaurant and there's a standard serving size of a meal and somebody shows up and says, I'm a person of size. This is not enough to accommodate someone like me. It's not fair that I pay the same amount as that small person. They're going to go home with leftovers. I need more than this. So you need to accommodate. It sounds crazy, but it's in the same breath of what we're talking about. It's not that crazy. I mean, this is what happens when you open Pandora's box, right?  You eliminate with personal responsibility. Again, it's a private company, so we'll see how well this sticks. I just imagine me being a teenager or something and I'm like putting on extra coats and like all this stuff. Because you're so self-centered and thinking like, I can get away with this. There's always a way to hack the system. People are to take advantage of it too. Yes, and you know what's funny? There's pro athletes that would qualify for this. There's some big, big people that play professional sports. I don't think they would ever, they have a different view of how big they are because to them it's not, it's oh, it's bad things. Obviously they became a professional athlete. In fact, if somebody was trying to become a professional athlete or a wrestler or whatever tried to approach it this way, I bet they probably get a lot of pushback. Well, what do you mean?  It's very interesting. It's a strange precedent. I had something I wanted to bring out with you guys, but before I do, I want to ask you a question about one of our partners. Today we have C, right? And one of the things I didn't ask you and I didn't get a chance to ask, Dr. Kahn is while I'm going through this whole process, I have a protocol afterwards, like we're doing the poop pills and I've got on the copper stuff and I think thymus and beta, is that right? I have a whole bunch of things that's on my protocol. What I didn't see on there was a probiotic like seed. Do you think I should not do that because I'm going through a certain protocol or would it benefit me to do that also? I don't see how it wouldn't benefit you, although because yours is so specific, I would just clear it. I would just clear it with Dr. Kahn because it's so specific and you're doing the, you call it the poop pill, that's the fecal transplant? Oh yeah, I forgot you're doing that. Yeah, so that's, I don't know. That's like another level of a probiotic. Isn't it similar in that? Like we're repopulating my gut, right? Very yes, but totally, like that's a totally, like you're looking ahead X amount of years and- Yeah, I've actually stopped messing with the seed just because I wasn't told to and I'm like I want to- You know, speaking of probiotics, I just read something interesting. Did you know that they did this study and they found that, well first off, the most popular strains of probiotics that have beneficial effects like lactobacillus, when they're dead, they don't really elicit much benefit. Then I read another study that showed that anything over 45 degrees Celsius tends to kill these probiotics and when they're manufactured and shipped, they reach those temperatures. Seed is very different. Seed guarantees you what's in there. It says, so if there's X amount of billion of this bacteria being alive, they are. In fact, you don't have to refrigerate them in order to keep them alive. What is it? Is it the way it's encapsulated? Okay, so I don't know. Yep, it's the whole process that they've put together. They're the most advanced when it comes to that. So it's alive and it gets to the target tissue because I used to get the refrigerated ones to try to guarantee that they're alive. When we first met, that's what you would tell me. Do you're like, when you get the probiotic, make sure you'll get the one that's refrigerated. And then I remember, I remember who it was. We talked to you and they're like, well, that's better than the other ones, but your body's warmer than the refrigerator. So when you swallow it, what do you think's happening?  It's not being protected at all. It's getting destroyed in my gut. So seed is totally different in that sense. That's why when people take it, they're like, oh, this feels totally different. I mean, that's probably one of the biggest things that's different, right? Because a lot of the stuff that's in it is similar to other probiotics, but it's the fact that you're actually- It's alive and how it gets there. 100%. So let's say somebody else's probiotic, they're up-regulating 40% of it, or seed, you're getting the full- You're getting all of it. Yeah, yeah. 100%, right? So that makes sense. You know, earlier we were watching us showing the editing team that Rocky IV montage. Josh has never seen it. So great. He's a fighter and he's never seen it. How is that possible? I feel like he's so motivated now because you watched it. Anyway, so- You guys, did you guys know Dolph Lundgren? So Dolph Lundgren, I watched this interview with Sylvester Stallone, recent one. So Sylvester Stallone is what he's in the 70s. He was talking about Dolph Lundgren, he goes, I hated that guy. And they're like, why? And he goes, he was 6'4", handsome, muscular, martial arts expert, master's degree in chemical engineering. I did not know this. Oh, I didn't know that. Got a scholarship to MIT. Did not know that. Wow, he was brilliant. He's a brilliant everything. He's one of those rare people that's like, you got like the genetic gifts. No idea. Oh, yeah.  Like, if you looked at him in the 80s, he was like tall, jacked, martial artist. What was the soldier one that he did? I love that one. Oh, oh, is that with Van Damme? Yes. That was a good one. That was like Street Fighter. No, no, no, no. Something soldier. It was- Where they were like perfect. They were like genetically engineered soldiers or something like that. Yeah, find that one. That was a classic guy. I haven't watched that in a long time. I love that one. I watched that over and over again. Universal soldier? Yes. Yes. What did you say? Universal soldier. I think that's right. That was it. Maybe if someone could pull up the photo of it or whatever. I forgot about that movie. Yeah, I mean, that's worth to watch. It's probably terrible, right? I watched it and I was like, oh, this is so bad. But I loved it. I remember watching it over and over. Oh, bro. I told you guys I've been watching the Godzilla films with my kid. Yeah. They're so cheesy and so great. It's so bad how cheesy they are. Like there's literally a costume. There's one guy. They're all people in costumes. There's this one monster Godzilla fights that's on all fours.  The back legs is literally a dude's leg being banged. So he's crawling around. Yeah, so bad. It's so bad.  You remember that whole rumor about Richard Gere having a gerbil? Oh, god. Being a gerbiling? I don't know that. You never heard that? No, no. That's an herb. That's before the internet. So Richard Gere blames Sylvester Stallone. For passing that around. One passing around that. Oh, other universal soldiers. Yes. I watched 2012. My wife is still convinced that that was real, like that Richard Gere was into that kind of thing. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. You don't know what the gerbil? He had a verbal. Come on. Okay, he put a... A verbal gerbil? He put a gerbil. Gerbil up his butt? Up his butt. And then the gerbil died. And he had to go to the hospital and pull it out. What a weird thing to do. It was on like... And dude, it was on mainstream news. It was not like... I feel like that was like trolling before trolling. Yeah. So do I. I feel like it's an urban legend. Yeah, it was. And then it caught steam. And then everybody just like... So it was in the news that it was an urban legend or that it happened? No, that it happened. And then they all were like... You know, had to like... That's like... I feel like that's like... Reckon silent. Richard Gere and gerbil. Yeah, I've been trying to like pin this up because it is an urban legend, but like... Don't click on images, please. I feel like that's like a disgruntled like... client friend or somebody that's mad at you puts out a rumor like that. I feel like if you're a super... Yes. That's why it was interesting. I'm like, why did he pin that on Sylvester Stallone as the one that started the rumor? You know what's funny? You could only do that about Sylvester Stallone. Oh, he said he started it. He said... Richard Gere said he started it. He blamed Sylvester Stallone. Wow, yeah. I was like, what?  If you say it's about some celebrity, that's like way at the top. But that's like stuck. I saw it forever. I saw an Instagram reel. Maybe Doug can confirm this a little bit. Hold on. I'll go first. So it's probably urban legend. There's nothing to verify it. What does it say? Of course. I mean, yeah, Stallone is implicated in starting this somehow. Hey, what a great prank. It's so specific and it's so taboo and bizarre that it went like gangbusters. Everybody's like, oh, did you hear about Richard Gere? So it became a thing. So talk about pranks. And things like screwing people or getting people over like this. I thought this was a really interesting reel. So Doug, when we do like small transaction business stuff, where we hire a contractor or something like that, what is the thing that we, what's the 10, is it a 1090 that we send? 1099. 1099 is what we send them to, which, so I thought this was really cool. Maybe you know if this works or not.  And he says, what that does is it triggers the IRS that they did work for you and whatever that, and then just let it go. Just issue them a 1099, let it go, and that it'll trigger the IRS to see where they should be getting taxes from that person. And if they don't get taxes attached to that person, then they'll do an audit all the time. Oh, that's nasty. First off, that's really dirty. Yeah. Okay, so don't do that.  Well, even so, but here's the other thing though, maybe it will go back to you. It will. Because if you haven't reported that on your return, obviously it would be an expense. So that wouldn't be such a big thing. But I mean, it could be traced back. I would not use the IRS in a prank. Like, why would you want to mess with that? I mean, yeah, I mean, I think that's pretty cruel thing to do. Honestly, I mean, but obviously if you're enemy, I guess. Yeah, I like the parking ticket one the best. All right. So out of the car there, you rent a car in your friend's name or something. What was it like you? Yeah, no, you buy a car. You buy a car to someone's names.   Yeah, park at the airport and you leave it at the airport. They get billed. Yeah, they just get billed right up on them like crazy. Did you ever see that guy? I think I talked about a long time about that guy who he made his last alimony payment to his wife and he showed up and made it in pennies. You know my story. He rolled up. He backed up a truck and jumped like just thousands of pennies. That happened with, what was that? Yeah. This was a Spotify thing. There was a real dark place. There was a deal. Yeah, dude.  He went pretty far. I mean I did the same thing right on the driveway. No, that's the story. So I got a little bit more information about the gear, Stallone. Oh, good, yeah. Please, solve this for me. I was literally trying to figure this out. This is why Richard Geer thinks it was Stallone. So it was in 1974, they were on the set of Lords of Flatbush, both of them. And apparently they got in some kind of a fight and the tension got so high that Geer got kicked off the film which still angers him. And so apparently he thought Stallone started that because I think around that time the gerbil story went out there. So anyway, Stallone claims he did not. What a random thing. I know. That is so weird. You hear that thing about Geer? What? What did he do? I mean his South Park made a whole like episode. Oh, they did? Just a little gerbil like that. Yeah. I was like, dude. I feel like there has to be like some sort of validity to it for it to even take legs. Right, like there had to be like a gerbil on set or someone found out that he had gerbils. You knew this was a weird thing that like only fringe people were into. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like there's got to be something like, well, you know what? He did own a bunch of gerbils. You know what I'm saying? And you know what I'm saying? Like there's got to be somebody who can validate part of the- It did disappear. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. I don't know. It's fine. What a month. Like how does that stick? That's so bizarre. I had kind of an off topic type of conversation I wanted to have with you guys. Not even sure if this is the right time to insert this, but it was on my mind. I want to bring it up. Okay. Right after gerbils. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that's a great transition. I apologize. Sorry, guys.  Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Sorry. So I'm listening to our buddy, Chris Williamson, interview Scott Galloway. And they're talking about the Kayla Williams, who is the quarterback of USC. So I think it was a month ago or so. Roughly. Kayla Williams is the quarterback for USC. I don't follow college sports at all, or very little, but I know a little bit about this story and him. And he had all these super high expectations to be the Heisman winner. And like USC was supposed to go to one of the bowl games. And like he's super talented, obviously awesome if he has all those expectations. And they had a loss. And I think it was like their second or third loss of the season, which probably knocks him out of the running for Heisman and maybe even a bowl game. So it was like a big deal. And right after the loss of the game, like he breaks down, he runs like straight after the after the whistle, runs straight into the audience, jumps up, grabs his mom, and you can see him just sobbing.  But you can just see the way he's crying so hard. Scott Galloway brings it up and he talks about how much he thinks that moves. He moved society in the right direction with masculinity that, you know, you hear you have this guy that all these kids look up to because he's a badass in football and stuff like that. And a moment on television, they see this and he breaks down and he cries.  And then the other people that are like, man, that shows you how much you care and he's vulnerable and things like that. And so Scott Galloway is talking about the vulnerability side and how important that was. And it sparked this thought for me like, you know, that's interesting because I don't disagree that vulnerability is very important. I think men have a tough time sharing their feelings with that. I think that it should be okay for men to be able to cry, all those things. But then I also think that, you know, we also lack a lot of stoicism in our society and that men are getting weaker and we talk all about that. And I wanted to ask you guys, do you think men, we lack vulnerability or stoicism more? And which one is the lack of- These days stoicism. Huh? Sosism all day. I always see is a, well, I mean, I might be alone on a lonely island here these days. But I mean, the whole push and drive for everybody to share their feelings and show themselves crying and show themselves like at this moment of despair. What, you know, for me, like in terms of like how I, I think it's important. It's important to share like that amongst your spouse, amongst your kids, but like the whole world and the public display and like to me, I just think it's overdone these days. So I prefer, I prefer to see, you know, a lot of that under control. And, you know, and especially in that kind of a setting where it's like you're playing a game and there's high stakes and, you know, and this happened when I played and there was guys that like cried after we lost the humongous game. And it was like emotional and it's, it's a very emotional moment, you know, but to just have a, you know, total breakdown. I think it's like, I think let that happen. But like, why are we like, why are we zooming in so much on that? Like let him have his, his thing with his mom. Like this isn't a public discussion to me. It was already bidding film. So that's tough. I hear what you're saying.  Like I just, we're, we're just like, oh, I knew, I knew this would be an interesting conversation because I don't think they're independent. I don't think that they're, it's either war. Okay. So what, what is vulnerability? Real vulnerability is, is courage. It is not weakness, but there's actual, there's weakness, which is fear-based, which is not real vulnerability.  Okay. And you got all this armor on. And I take my armor off and I say, let's go. You going to look at me and think I'm weak? No, I made myself more vulnerable. That means I'm stronger. Not, I learned this more recently. Not allowing yourself to feel things isn't strength, that's fear. It's running away. Oh, I can't feel that. Let me just avoid that. Let me, so I don't think they're both the same. I think weakness is, you can, weakness is, is, can, is not vulnerability and nor is it stoicism.  It's just kind of like, that's very different. Look, if some, if you see somebody, you see an athlete break his leg and he cries because of the pain or he cries because now he can't play professional football. Which one feels strong? Yeah. Right? Not because of the pain. It's because, oh, I can't play football. It's because you can't. Yeah. That's totally different. It's understandable. Totally different. So I don't think they're either one. I don't think it's either one. By the way, what we see now, it's more of a, if he was projecting it, like it was a display, you know, like I think that was what I was trying to convey. So, well, I know, so let me, let me back up a little bit or back you up just a little bit worth where you're going because I don't think you're, you're wrong either. I think that, so in this isolated incident, it's, to me, it's less about him and what he, what he did. It does bring up the conversation. Yeah, what, so what I really think it's more about and what it, what it highlighted for me is actually how wrong as a society we're getting it on the left and the right. Yeah.  Like you have the, and Scott Galloway, by the way, is like a ardent left, you know, left leaning type of character.  I would say that Chris is more of a right leaning. So he's more of the stoic. And so you have like, I love that they had this conversation. And I just think that the, the right what demonizes that, the crying of that and it's weak and it's soft. And then, and then the left. Do the toxic side of it. Celebrates that it's like vulnerable and stoicism is toxic masculinity. And it's like, I think we're both failing society by making it so black or white. Now, to your point where I agree, it's, it's a little more gray than that. Like I don't. No, real courage is facing the, the fear and the anxiety and the sadness and then not letting it rule you. Yeah. Okay. That's strength. Fear is either it rules you. Ah, and now I'm like frozen and I can't do anything or it's avoiding it and shutting off, which is, you know, what you would say the toxic side of stoicism, what would be, I don't think there is a toxic side because that's not real stoicism, but the toxic displays that we see.  They both get an argument. Okay. One guy waits outside for the other guy to come out and when the guy's not looking, sucker punches him. That's weak. You are weak. Yeah. You hit the guy, but you're weak.  You have no honor. A real, yes. A real strong guy would say, Hey, look, let's go outside one on one. If someone hits the ground, the other person stops. Yeah. That's that strength, right? That's different. So I think what we're seeing, it's like masculine, like they say, all, you know, toxic masculinity. No, it's, it's, it's a lack of masculine.  That's not real. Like that's not real masculine. If you had a father, he would tell you, stop showboating. How many dads of athletes when their kid makes a touchdown or whatever, and the kid goes around like shoves it in someone else's face. A dad goes up, what are you doing? Don't showboat like that. You guys see the documentary. That'll be my shout out today. If we don't have one is the Barry Sanders documentary along those lines. That's sweet.  Yeah. And so he would not celebrate. Like he would let, he was, sees, if you watch all the clips, you watch documentaries, a great documentary every time he, and he would just break off this crazy run that you just see nobody else do before. And then he runs the touchdown and he just walks over and he hands the, the ref, the ball then goes right back to that. No celebrating, pumping arms, dancing, doing photo, fake photos for the camp. Like just that's how he, that's how he put it. I learned that in judo. So that's very stoic when I learned that. So I went to an old judo school here in San Jose when I was a kid, San Jose Buddhist judo club. Shout out. They've been around forever. And I remember if you want to match and you cheered and jumped up and down or whatever, disqualified, disqualified. If you win and you go, yes, okay, they'll let you a little bit. But really what you need to do is win, get up, bow, show of respect and you're done. I remember it was such a valuable lesson for me. Well, it's the whole Jordan Peterson thing.    Like in, in, in, at some point, like, like you're going to be off on all alone. Even your teammates aren't going to want to play with you. You know, so at that point, you have to be a good athlete, a good representation of, of, you know, a gameplay. Look, real men know it when they see it. Like I've been around guys like this.  And I was out with one of them.   And I remember my buddy just like, Hey man, listen, call, and he bought him a drink. I had way more respect for him than I would have had.  But instead what he did was, is he bought him a drink. And I remember thinking like, wow, what a, what a class act. Like that is a, that is a awesome dude. Same thing like when you got a, you got a buddy who let's say he's married or he's devoted to his wife, but all these women come after him and he's loyal to his wife. Any man will tell you that they'll respect that guy over the guy that ends up sleeping around with everybody. Which, but see media. You've controlled your impulses. You're not an animal. That's it.  And so if it is an honest, authentic emotional moment, you know, like that's, I'm not demonizing that, you know, there's, there's, there's points of pain.  And so like, I'm, you know, I don't feel like it's my place to judge that on him. But at the same time, what I do judge is like these videos, like, I don't know if you've seen the one with the Starbucks employee that's just like, you know, there's, there was only four of us today. And you like, locked himself in the storage room by himself, put him on cell phone camera to the world, puts it out there and starts crying and hysterically about how hard his job is and like how the world's against him and how everybody like, how they set him up for failure. And it's like, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah. What, what is this? That's a weak narcissist is what it is. Let me post this on social media. Well, I think the thing, that situation, the Kayla Williams situation, the thing that I think is, is the worst is that I think the rest of us are getting it so wrong. Forget about that exact. Yeah, you're right. That exact situation, you know, because for all we know too, even like, let's use that extreme Starbucks, who knows what else was going on in that kid's life. Like maybe his, his mom died yesterday. Yeah, but why film and post this on social media? But, but, but it's the, it's the conversation that has the, the defending of it. Like, oh, he's being vulnerable. He should do that.  Why did you do that? It's like, I feel like both sides are getting it so wrong. I feel like both sides are not helping it. Cause it's like, you can, you can be stoic and you can also be a man that cries and you can be vulnerable. Like you can, you can be all of those. And one reaction or action that you take is does not define who you are. My grandfather who passed away recently, one of the toughest men I've ever met in my entire life had a really hard life growing up. Like really hard, not knowing if he had another meal.  And like a really, really tough life. Okay. You know, immigrated to this country, you know, other places. There isn't a single event of his grandchildren that he went to where he didn't cry. We, it was a joke. I talked about it with my cousins as a funeral. Like you could always see no, no in the back. And it didn't matter what recital it was, could be first grade, could be second grade, could be high school. It could be this big thing, could be a little thing, could be a kid. One of them, one of his grandkids drew him a picture. And you'd always see my grandfather sit there and you'd always lift his glasses and wipe his tears. And he would, that I, was he weak?  So anyway, I was going to ask you about, so all your treatments all stuff, are you also using the caldera still on your psoriasis? Still doing all the? Now that, so, and they told me it would get to this, this phase. So the initial treatment, I was blown away by already what I was starting to see happen with the psoriasis.  I am, I'm stabbing you 50 times in each one of these spots. So you're going to, you're going to scab over and heal. So I am, I'm at this point, this peak right now where it is starting to scab over. And so I'm back to, I wasn't using anything Cal, I wasn't using anything literally just to the treatment and I've been sitting back watching what's going on and paying attention to like how I feel and what I see. And in the last two days, I've started to notice it like starting to scab over. And so that really helps keep it from getting like really dry and scabby. You know, the, the market for men's skincare exploded because caldera. Are you watching the ads with caldera ads? They're, I don't know how they did it. Well, it's got to be the product, the way the bottle looks. I'm not sure maybe the right timing combination of the, but like, like comments underneath it for men about using the skin oil. It's insane. It's, it's great. That's a market that, you know, many times, you know, many times make up companies and stuff have been trying to take, get the male market and just been rejected and caldera has really made a huge. Yeah, that would be, I'd be really interested to see some, some more data on what you're talking about. I like, I wonder what, what, obviously it's super effective. So that has to be half of it. Cause I think, just like. I also think it's representatives cause they got, they went into podcasts, they went athletes, they went like. Yeah, they went to masculine. Yeah, they have a lot of masculine characters that are doing that right. Obviously that helps, right? I mean, advertising marketing is, is, but it doesn't matter though, because if I get advertised to and marketed to really well, that might get me initially to try something. And to try something like, like taking care of your, like, I mean, look at, like Justin, right?  He would say like, rub some dirt on it. You know what I'm saying? Like that's like. So that, and a lot of guys identify with that. I even kind of identify with that yet. I'm open to like, okay, I'll try this one. See, but if it didn't have a profound effect. Yeah, that's true. It wouldn't be enough for me to keep doing it. Like the other thing. Yeah, if it didn't work, I would be like.  Like my wife does like every night. Six different bottles. Yeah. Like this is ridiculous.  Yeah. Yeah.  Like that was a big thing back in the day. Right.  Yeah.   And that might be South, South point. I'll never forget. I saw a Ted talk that I thought was really good. And they, they listed like the, the, the five most impactful or powerful things that, uh, the determinants of a business is going to be successful. And number one is timing. Oh, right. Timing of a market. Of course. And, and, and they give examples of like even a, even a crummy product at the right time sometimes could out, outperform a superior product at poor timing. You know, I just got interviewed this morning by the Wall Street Journal, which, uh, sounds kind of cool. I mean, it's an old publication, but I was like, I didn't even ask you in the nineties. That would be like the biggest thing ever. But anyway, I got interviewed by them and they were asking me about fitness, gadgets and trends. And the first thing I said was strength training. I said, we're seeing a massive upswing in the interest and strength training, especially among women. Big box gyms already identified this about a year or two ago. They're changing the footprint. They're building bigger free weight areas, smaller cardio areas. I said, you know, Dr. Gabriel Lyons book came out. Mine came out. Like more and more people are talking about strength training. And I think 2024 is going to be highlight. That's going to, it's, what's going to highlight it. It's going to be a lot about strength training and the female markets driving it. You're seeing more women than ever. What was, uh, what was that like? I didn't get a chance to ask you. That was it. I talked about that. I talked about, uh, red light, therapy, uh, continual glucose monitors, devices that help you improve your sleep. So that was pretty much it. She was looking for like 2024. I think it's probably going to be an article. Yeah. They're very gadget, uh, heavy, huh? Yeah. Yeah. They're thoughts. I mean, did you like it? Did you think, did you close the phone interview? Yeah. So she was just taking notes. It's so funny. We were talking off air before you did it. Uh, you know, and you were telling family and stuff like that. Like, you know, outside people or family, my family is like this too. Like when I tell them about like either a gas or like an article that shared us and it's like, dude, people still think like the Forbes, the Wall Street Journal. If I was on the cover of legacy media, I don't know how many newspapers still exist, right? But if I was on the cover of a newspaper that still existed, my parents would think I've made it. Yeah. Right now, because of what newspapers meant back then. Yes. When now they mean absolutely nothing. They don't mean anything. I know that's just funny where we could have somebody like say like, uh, you know, uh, I don't know, Joe DeFranco or Jordan Harbinger or like a friend of ours that like mentions us on a podcast of theirs, which is massive. And that's a bigger deal than like getting into Forbes or Wall Street. But it's like, it's so distorted still, because they still have that media shifting a lot. It is. And I wonder how long it will take before that becomes like the norm where someone's like, oh, big deal. You're on four. Oh, but so and so talked about you on their Instagram or so. You know what I'm saying? Like that's, that's a bigger deal. I mean, when you talk about moving the needle business wise, it's so interesting how much that's speaking of business. You brought up by, by Barry as a documentary for. Yes. Yes. 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And they have adequate nutrients for your children's developing needs.  Go to HayaHealth.com. That's H-I-Y-A-Health.com forward slash mind pump. And with that code or with that link, you'll get 50% off. All right. Back to the show. Our first caller is Amber from Georgia. Hi, Amber. How can we help you? It's nice to meet you guys. I've been listening for a couple of years. I'm very excited and very nervous. We'll help you. We'll help you. What's going on? I've been having this problem really for about two years now where when I tried to cut, I kind of have this like crashing. That's the only thing I know to call it. I'll read my email. But I said I experienced like hunger that wakes me up in the middle of the night and I can't go back to sleep unless I eat something. I have trouble falling asleep. I have these crazy food cravings. They lead to like binging. I'm bloated. And my period also ends up coming late. So in a cut, I eat about 1,600 calories and I track my macros. So 120 grams of protein and then carbs and fats kind of fall wherever they fall. I run about 12 miles a week, strength train two to three days a week. I get 12,000 steps a day. I get seven hours of sleep at least if I can sleep. And I've tried like pushing through and end up just getting worse and worse and worse until I get out of control and have to stop. I'm 5'2 and I weigh 155 pounds. Okay.  Have you? So you said every time you try to do this, this is what you experienced. So this isn't the first time you've experienced this? No. And this has been going on for two years. So I've always struggled with my weight. I was obese as a teenager and was really on a roller coaster till about 10 years ago. I started tracking macros and working out and for a long time I was able to maintain my weight and didn't have these problems. But now over the last two years I've had these problems. I put on some weight when I had my son five years ago and I have not been able to get it all off since then. Why do you run? Why the running? I enjoy it. I hear what y'all say a lot of times for people that I feel like are going through similar things to me. And I have like ADHD and so I feel like it really helps calm my brain down and helps me just be better throughout the rest of the day if I get a run in. Why not something else? Why the running? It's easier. I live out in the country and it gets me out of the house. I get outside. I don't have a really good place to cycle or anything like that. I don't enjoy yoga. It's just too slow. I just, I don't know. I guess I've just always done it. If the running didn't burn any calories or let's say the running was making you gain body fat, would you still want to do it? I don't know because I do acknowledge that it burns calories. Yeah, I don't. And I do appreciate that of it, but. I think you chose running because of its attachment to the calorie burn and it's a form of exercise. And then what ends up happening, and this is very calm number, by the way, everything you said that you experienced and the fact that you've experienced it before, otherwise, I would ask you more questions because there could be other things that could be happening, but because you've experienced this before, I'm pretty certain that I know what the issue is. Now let's talk about the running let's talk about the running for a second, okay? Okay. What happens with, for a lot of us, this happens to me too, just with different stuff is that we will do things that help us deal with it in security. Let's say for me, it's the opposite. So for me, it's lifting weights or taking supplements. For someone else, maybe that they were heavy and so they always kind of struggle with that. So they tend to choose things that can help that.  I don't think you really like running. I think you're afraid of gaining weight. I am afraid of, I mean 100% afraid of gaining weight. So all of your symptoms are, it's literally like the perfect, it's like you gave me the answer and I know what the problem is. So it's like if you said, the answer's four. What's the question? I could easily say, well, it's one plus three or two plus two. Like four plus zero.  So I don't know what the rest of your life is but you've overwhelmed your body with stress. And the running is serving you nothing positive at all. Now, if you want to get out of the house and get a break, you could do it by doing a slow walk for the same time it takes to do that run. So however long it takes you to run in the morning, you could do a slow walk, you could sit outside, read a book, something like that, just get out of the house, whatever. But the running is, that would be the first, that's the easiest thing to cut because based on what your goals are, it's not helping you at all. It's just adding more stress. So what I would have you do if you were my client is I would have you increase your calories a little bit and have you cut the running out completely and then I would have you lift weights about two to three days a week. Tell me about the lifting though. What's your lifting look like right now? Are you following one of our programs? I'm not, I've been working out in my garage. I live in a small town and I just found a gym that has childcare. I plan on joining the next few weeks. But I've been working out in my garage with like I had up to 20 pound set of dumbbells. So I've just been doing like some strength training squats, deadlifts, bicep curls, things like that off of that. What are your rest periods look like? Do you rest or do you do a kind of circuit style? I rest. I learned from listening to y'all not to do a circuit style in high speed, you know. Yeah, I think we're going to, Sal's advice, plus actually getting into, if you only have up to 20 pounds, I think you're going to really benefit from some like serious strength training. You've probably gotten pretty adapted to the weights that you have and it's time to progress to some, some good weight. I think actually feeding your body, giving yourself more calories, less of none of the running, going to walking and then a true, you know, strength training protocol like a MAPS anabolic program. I think you would do wonderful. Yeah. All of your symptoms are stress symptoms. So period, changes in your menstrual cycle, very clear, typical sign that either there's a nutrient deficiency illness or your body's overwhelmed by stress. Because this has happened to you before, I don't think it's the first two. Okay, I could be wrong, but because you've experienced this each time you've tried to go on a cut, your body's overwhelmed by stress. So you get menstrual changes, bloated. Okay, digestive system also gets affected by increased inflammation and changes in the microbiota, which can cause things like bloating, constipation, diarrhea, intense food cravings. When your body, you know, keep in mind our body's evolved for the most part with scarcity. And one of the, there's two main causes of stress that we would encounter for mostly human history. One of them is danger. I'm going to get eaten or killed. Okay, or something like that. And the second one is not having enough food. And so what your body does when it thinks, when you're under a lot of stress, it kicks up hunger. Because one of the best insurances against scarcity is body fat. If you're, if you have a lot of body fat on your body and you're not going to eat for the next two months, you're going to be better off than the person next to you that's lean. Okay, so it'll kick up food cravings and they're not going to feel like normal hunger. So let me, let me explain something to you. Do you let me know if this is what it feels like? Okay, there's hunger.  And you, it's like, I got it. It's like overwhelming. And you get an overwhelming craving for either. High calorie. Yeah, high calorie, carbohydrate, sugar, type of sugary type of foods. That hyper palatability that you're really, really craving. And it's like, if it's, if it's there, it's going to happen. I'm going to eat it or have to like fight it this entire time. That's what that feels like. Is that what you're feeling? Okay. That's exactly what I'm feeling. I got where I don't keep stuff in the house because I'm afraid that'll come and I won't, like it's, and it usually hits the worst in the middle of the night. Yeah. When I know eat it, I can go back to sleep.  Do you work? What's the rest of your life look like? Part time. I'm a stay at home mom though. I'm at home school, my five year old son. And I, I don't, I don't sit a lot. I like to be busy moving around. If there's nothing to do, I'll make up something to do. I garden, things like that. Okay. Do you have any, do you have a lot of things you do on your own? Like, uh, like time outside the house, just for you, hang out with your friends, go do something just for you? Okay. Just being really, I think that's why like such a lifeline. Yep. Yep. Yep. Your, your, your body's overwhelmed. So it's, it's overwhelmed by stress. I'm, my expert, our expertise is fitness. So I'm going to tell you to cut the running out. But if you were, if you were a close friend of mine, I would also say to add activities or things that you could do by yourself to get out of the house and go do something just on your own. Or with friends. Yeah. With friends is what I mean. Yeah. Like just not, when I say by yourself, I don't mean like take your kid with you.  But did I hear you say you're going to get a gym membership? There's, what, didn't you say something along those lines? Daycare, right? Yeah. In January, I plan on joining. I've, um, finishing up with, working out with my friend. She comes and works out with me a little bit, but I've told her where I'm joining a gym. They have childcare. So I would be able to either go without my son or if I have to take him, he would be able to go to. So I would, I would love to see you follow maps anabolic. If your friend is going to work out with you too, reach out to us. I'll send it to her for free also. So the both of you can have maps anabolic and go through that process together. I think that in, in combination to the, the tips that Sal's giving you right now, I think we're going to start to see a difference. The one last thing we didn't dive deep in because I see that you actually wrote on here, you're getting your protein intake. What, what does like when you're, when you are eating good, are you like a balance of carbs, fats, you're not following anything radical or doing anything outside the norm other than restricting calories? Where are you getting your protein from? Mostly, mostly chicken.  So chicken and pork mostly, but I try to eat beef a couple of times a week. I don't do a lot of shakes and bars, but I get more food from like whole real food. Yeah. Good. Good. Yeah. So look, stop, cut the running. Okay. Bump your calories to, it says here that you think your maintenance is around 22. 18 to, 18 to 2000 maybe. Yeah. I would, I would bump your calories up to 1800 calories. Okay. No more running if you want it.  About 45 minutes. Okay. Do a 45 minute walk. Okay. Just, just, and it's not a workout.  Yeah. You just cruise. Okay. Just like if you just, just cruise for the same amount of time, bump your calories to 1800 when you start to feel really good, which you'll start to notice within two or three weeks. Bump your calories again up to 2000. And then keep doing what you're doing and pay attention to how strong you feel with the weights.  And you feel good. Okay.  I have like 30 pounds. Still doesn't, doesn't matter.  I'd still give you that same advice. Okay. It's, it's what it's about right now is getting, getting you healthy and getting and, and starting to tackle some of this stress because nothing you do, your body is not going to respond the way it should respond until we tackle that. So it's about getting healthy first and balancing all that and then getting the body to respond. And the idea right now with the advice of cutting out the running, increasing the calories, go get strong is to build your metabolism. So you have flexibility. Yeah. That way when you do cut calories, you really start to lean out. So we, so let's do this too. So let's, I want to, I'm going to have Doug put you in the private forum too so we can keep an eye on you because I'd love to give us two week check-ins. Yeah. I'd love to hear you check in with us every two weeks, kind of giving us an update on how things are going, especially once you get rolling on maps and a ball. Because I think that's when we're going to really start to see change.  And that's going to mess with your head. Okay. But look, just to, just to hammer this home, if you keep pushing in the direction that you're pushing, not only will you not lose the body fat, you're going to get to, you're going to get to a place where you're going to go in that direction.  Well, I believe that because I mean, this, I mean, my son's five and I've been trying to lose this same 20 or 30 pounds for five years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's probably a lot of sense because I didn't have the trouble before him, but I, I can't get, my husband, I can't have children. So we went through IVF three times and then my pregnancy was bad. And so I think maybe it's all kind of making sense now that it's all just a stress problem. And I've just been more stressed on myself trying to lose weight. Oh, yeah. Listen, I want you to, listen, I'm going to say this again. I want you to feel good about what I'm saying. Okay. Because I can, I can tell you're afraid of making these changes because you don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. Okay. I've heard you, your story, at least a thousand times. Yeah. Okay. This is nothing you said to me is like, wow, or perplexing or shocking. It's all super common. I've worked with women like you so many times. The challenge was always getting them to trust me and to trust the process. It's a snowball effect. What you're going to notice first though, is you're going to start to just feel better. So you'll just notice like, oh man, I'm starting to feel good. I think I'm starting to feel really good. Like that's it. That's that's what you'll start to notice. But as far as the body fact and all that stuff, that's going to take a little bit of time because we got to get your body to feel safe enough to lose the body fact because right now it doesn't. It doesn't feel safe at all. Okay. All right. All right. That makes sense. Check in with us every two weeks. We're going to send anabolic over to you and then follow up with us. Okay. Yep. I will. Thank you all so much. All right, Amber. You got this. All right. This is why this is why good coaches are so important because you know, thankfully we have a forum and maybe our words are they have more weight with her because she's listening to listen to us for two years and et cetera. But the reason why one of the reasons why a coach is so valuable is because when you go through this process, it's not as easy as just you heard what I said. Oh, that sounds good. Let me try it. She's going to question it. Yep. The entire time, the entire time she's going to question and when you have a good coach, the good coach can tell you what you're going to feel. Here's what's going to happen. Here's why it's happening. Constant reassurance. Yes. Okay. Trust me, we're moving in the right direction. And then when you start to feel and notice the things and you start to go, Oh my gosh, this is really working. Then it becomes a lot easier. So, but I feel for her, man. I've had so many clients with the exact same exact same symptoms, exact same. I wonder how many people are listening, just like her, who the advice that we're giving to say her is perfect for them, but they think that they're different. They're different. I know.  Yeah. And and her thought was, Oh, because I'm not, I have 30 more pounds. Yeah. I have 30 pounds. It's like, let me make this clear. She could have been 150 pounds overweight. And I still would give this advice. This still would be the advice for someone. So just it's not just because you have way more weight to lose that person. And then the same would go if you maybe only had about 15 pounds or 20 pounds. If you're, if this is your symptoms and this is what you, how you've been treating your body and this is the level of stress you have going on. This advice is the same. And if you were a man and you had all the advice would stay the same here. So the only, the only, the only, the only difference would have been and she, she, you know, the answer was there because she says, every time I try to lose weight in this way, this is what happens to me. The only other thing I would have asked if this is the first time that this happened to her was I would have asked if she's had any nutrient deficiency tests, if she's had any changes to her hormones or because those could also cause some of this stuff. But the fact that she's repeatedly done this and had these, this exact experience and then, you know, I asked her questions about her lifestyle. She's plateaued and stalled for five years.  She's like, I live in the, you know, out in the country and at home school. Okay. So you know what that means? Everything she does is for her family and probably does almost nothing for her.  So that was a, it was really easy to cut out the running. That's that one stress I could easily just cut out and then get her body in a place to where it can start responding. Our next caller is Sam from New York. Sam, what's going on? How can we help you? You're doing good. Good, we're good. It's happening. Thanks for having me on. You got it. So I'm calling because I'm apparently what you call a hard gainer. And I'm 58. I'm in the middle of my second round of anabolic and I keep trying to eat more and more but I don't seem to be putting on any weight. I actually did lose a few pounds initially which I assume with some fat. I don't know if I should be lifting more if I need to keep increasing my food intake or if you have any suggestions. Yeah. Okay. So I'm reading your email here Sam and it says that you're stronger. Yes. How much stronger? Tell me about your like the differences in your lifts. Well, before doing anabolic I had never done deadlifting. So I started out pretty low but I'd say I'm doing 70 more pounds than when I started. Okay. That's incredible. What about your bench press all that stuff? Bench press I've increased working out with it probably 50 pounds. Wow. Okay. Yeah. The same with my squats. Wow. Yeah, you're doing pretty good right now. Yeah, you're doing all right. And then it says here you work a job in construction. What kind of work do you do? There were electrical contractors so I'm a foreman so it's not as physical as it used to be but I'm still moving a lot. Yeah, a lot. Yeah, for sure. All right. So look, so you get stronger. There's a few different reasons how or ways that your body gets stronger. One of them is the your central nervous system adapts. And so that's like the the computer, right? And it's sending the signal to the muscles and you get more what's called neural drive. You get better technique and form just like anything else.  Now the strength gains that you've experienced a big part of that is probably central nervous system because you just got started.  Now do you feel good? Do you sleep well? Do you feel like you have good energy any joint pain? Does everything else feel okay? Well, I've never slept well so I still don't but I feel good and my workouts I love the workouts. And I have some achy joints but a lot of that's probably job related over the years a little wear and tear on me but I feel pretty good. Let me ask a little differently did any of those things change? Did your sleep get better or worse? Pain get better or worse? The pain I think is better. I feel better physically. My sleep still probably the same. The same, okay. So, all right.  Because you're talking about your sleep I would really focus on and I don't know what you've done what you've already done to try to improve your sleep we can get into that but that'll make a big difference with getting your body to build a little bit more muscle. Have you done any interventions any kind of protocol you know before bed? Not really. Okay, so I think there's some gold there. Yeah, like sleep makes a huge difference. Tell me about your sleep. What's wrong with it? What does it look like? I tend to go to sleep you know nine o'clock at night because I get up at four thirty but I don't usually make it past two thirty three o'clock before I wake up. Okay. In and out you know. And then in and out from there. You drink coffee or have caffeine? Two cups in the morning that's pretty much it. That's it it's always been that way. Yeah. Okay. I try to eat after dinner much either because I've never been one of much of a breakfast eater so I try not to eat at night so that I can eat in the morning. Okay. How's your blood pressure? Last I checked it was normal. No no no health issues. Not that I'm aware of no. All right. Here's what we're going to try. I want you to try taking some electrolytes throughout the day. We work with a company called Element, Element T and you can add up one packet or so to your water and I want to see if that makes a difference with your sleep but then before you go to bed I think a magnesium supplement would be really good as well. There's another company we work with called Ned that makes a product called Mellow and you take that right before you go to bed and see if that makes a difference. In my experience the people that seem to respond the best to magnesium supplementation before bed seem to be people who work jobs like you. Okay so I have a lot of blue-color family members and I've had them all try Mellow and all of them are like whoa what and I think it's just because of the type of activity you've been doing you've been doing it for so long for it. Yeah I think you're you probably have a little bit of a deficiency possibly. It's quite common it won't hurt you to try but you'll notice a difference within one or two nights if that's the deal.   So have you tried adding shakes to your day because that would be the easiest way to add calories? I did I'm doing a thousand calorie shake smoothly in the morning because I was never a breakfast eater and I'm pushing to get 3,000 calories a day right now but I usually fall a little short. Yeah probably 200. I mean he's an example of somebody who I would let's hyper-palatable foods. diet just so we can get some calories. One last thing too that I want to ask about have you had your hormones checked at all anytime recent? No I've never had anything done like that. Considering your age and the fact that you have a hard time eating enough calories and we don't get a lot of good sleep and sleep could absolutely deeply affect that. I'd love to have you get your blood work done and just see where you're at just to see where your testosterone levels are at because you want to talk about a massive difference of packing on muscle and weight if your testosterone is in the dumpsters and you're doing all this training and all this exercise and you're not going to gain a lot of weight or build a lot of muscle but simply addressing that could make a massive difference too and with the appetite by the way appetite will increase a lot of times too when you increase your testosterone. If you go from low to high is your libido normal? Do you have like okay libido or do you have you noticed any changes in it? No seems the same. Okay. Okay. I think it's a good idea always to get your hormone levels checked anyway because if they're good if they're at a nice level then you'll have something to reference to it you know to later you know let's say when you're in your 60s or 70s. Everything we've talked about too by the way Sam because I know I see you taking notes and stuff you can find at mindpumppartners.com so that's the list of all the companies right so you'll see element on there you'll see the Ned company on there and then there's actually a company too that you can take get your blood work done and have them look at your testosterone levels all through there which is Transcend so all three of those companies are connected but besides the sleep you know and because I think that's a big one you know you're doing your smoothie in the morning another thing you could do so you got that then you eat your lunch then you eat your dinner is to add either shakes or something that is easy and tasty for you to eat in between meals so you could have more shakes you could have nuts you could have jerky cheese but basically you want to just you got to eat more the fact that you're getting stronger is a very good sign if you keep getting stronger you will build muscle and that's just the bottom line so if you weren't getting stronger then there'd be I'd be a little bit more worried in the sense of okay let's try to figure this out the fact that you're getting stronger is very good that means that you're doing a lot of things right and some and building muscles is a slow process it just is just nobody packs on muscle very very quick especially if it's lean if you're the kind of person that you got one of those metabolisms or just gaining body fats even hard for you then you know you can't expect to gain more than you know five six seven eight ten pounds of muscle in a year it's just it just takes a long time people are like yeah I gained 20 pounds and whatever a lot of it's body fat you know so I was expecting too much too soon yeah I mean you're doing how long you've been working out now with this with your programs since the end of August I guess you're not you're not doing bad you know and it's literally just going to be about being conscious about getting those calories in and then if the elementy and the mellow help with your sleep that's going to make a huge difference feeding yourself in recovery I mean those are your two main levers right now yeah I actually think you're doing really good right now Sam but I do think that all the advice we gave is all things they're going to take you to the next level but I think your progress believe it even though I know your main goal is probably to put weight on you are building muscle it's just and what happens too is you build a couple pounds of muscle the metabolism gets even faster so then you have even more calories you need to keep that pace up and so that's probably why you lost a little bit of weight on the scale so you just leaned out a little bit because you got more muscle now on the body so you're not doing any cardio on top of all this are you just work pretty active at work all day yeah just making sure no you're good I mean if you weren't getting stronger then this would be a different conversation I actually think you can I know Sal only told you one packet but I think you could afford to walk around at work with drinking sipping on the element T and then also probably when he works out yeah I mean you could probably afford to easily have that it just depends I would start one just see how you feel but you know I've had tremendous success with the people in my family who do the kind of work that you do by adding the you know so long as it's not contraindicated so long as your doctor isn't saying you got high blood pressure avoid this and that if anything if anything's okay you add that the element also has some magnesium it's got potassium magnesium but it's mostly sodium and then the company Ned that makes the mellow it has a magnesium blend in there that is specific for the brain and for the muscles on the body and so a common side effect of not having enough magnesium is not that you can't fall asleep it's that you can't stay asleep so the fact that you told me that you wake up at two or three o'clock in the morning and then you're tossing and turning until you got to get up that's why I recommended that it's an inexpensive supplement the ones we mentioned aren't these like they're very inexpensive and they're ones you can always take you don't have to like cycle it or anything like that all right great thanks you think there's any value in him so he's on his second round right now of maps and a ball yeah is there any any value in potentially moving him to like a maps 15 or another program that for him to try out he could but I mean what you know we could send you another program to do after this next round of anabolic but I want you to stay in maps anabolic and do the things that we said yeah just so we could see you know kind of what's going on great gains yeah I'd like to see it through one more time and then we'll yeah maybe switch them in yeah what do you guys think maps give them like maps 15 how many yeah I think that's another another solid option from is maps 15 I think we'll send you another program Sam just for free and then when you're done with this round of maps anabolic follow maps 15 but do the advanced version okay awesome okay you got it man all right Sam stay in touch huh thank you all right yes it's so funny when somebody gets on his age and says that there's about 15 other people are like oh yeah you know I wish I had a tough time I'm glad we talked long enough to figure that out that he's actually just really getting started yeah he's doing fine so he's just doing really good and you know here's a funny I'm glad you talked about the sleep though because that's that's an issue well there's that's where I said there's gold there right there's if he's always been a poor sleeper and he's never tried to figure that piece out him figuring that out could be massive I have a feeling too if he actually goes and does his blood work and gets his hormones that he can have lower testosterone too maybe 58 years old low calorie also sleep will negatively affect yeah and poor sleep probably it and the fact that his libido hasn't gotten worse it may have always been kind of low and so it's not like he noticed he doesn't know what good feel how many times have we met somebody who doesn't think they feel bad well it's just that they until they feel better it's interesting because I had a client like similar to this but took like a month never done it before took a month off and like a tropical place got a ton of sun a lot of sleep came back completely like transformed yeah it was like it just like it was almost like resetting your your entire body in the in the circadian rhythms like everything like balancing the hormones I mean there's just so much there in rest and recovery that you know even like a massive intervention like that I'm sure would impact them what sucks is a lot of the things that are attributed to aging yeah are often symptoms of just repeated patterns yeah chronic it's chronic stuff it's chronically being under vitamin D chronically under magnesium chronically poor sleep and that causes all those all I mean like like I told you guys about my dad he had all these aches and pains and he's got arthritis everywhere and all stuff and he's getting old you know he's older and you know he's just he's like oh my body still hurts my body here I can't figure it out I've been this that is what's going on and he thinks oh it's just because I'm getting old well he wouldn't get a vitamin D test as vitamin D was lost start taking vitamin D gone everything was gone so that's the problem is like getting older causes these things but so does often times like really easy to fill nutrient deficiencies and you often won't know unless you test our next caller is Nick from Hawaii Nick what's going on man how can we help you what's up hello guys um super cool to see you kind of way there in the background but if you could help me out with a couple of questions I appreciate it you got it man let's hear it all right um I hear people do background first I don't know if that's a thing or I can jump straight to the questions up to you guys you can go right to the question and then if we need to we normally will ask background questions yeah otherwise got you sounds good so um basically I just jumped on um bpc 157 so I recently injured myself about work and I was just wondering if there's what I can expect and if there's any side effects that you guys have noticed or that's like the first half of my question oh okay where's your injury uh so lower back possibly l5 I still haven't gotten my MRI but I'm getting some sciatic pain down the right leg so you know it feels like it's slowly getting better I just started a couple of days ago with the injections but that and the massage I haven't started PT either oh good okay so you got some PT too so are you administering it yourself or do you have somebody administering the bpc for you so my girlfriend is actually a PA so I asked her if she'll do it and she's like you know you ordered this thing I'm not sure what this is I'm trying to have her just get to it um but so basically yeah I did it myself yesterday for the first time okay so are you injecting right into the site or are you somewhere else uh so that's a question that I had is it um you know is it is it better if I go right into the site yesterday I injected right into like belly fat yeah it's better to go it's better to go into the site it is but here's a deal okay depending on where the injury is you you want a medical professional yeah because you said you're l4 l5 talking about the spine I would not try to get a long needle to hit the area there because yeah you could end up you could end up with something pretty bad right yeah that's how to do it I'm shooting into as low back would be better off than shooting I mean maybe but it's more systemic than that so systemically you'll get an effect meaning if you do it you know sub-q you'll get kind of the systemic anti-inflammatory kind of accelerated you know healing type of an effect if there's a slipped or herniated disc it may help it heal faster but combining with the physical therapy is your best bet because there could be something else that's going on everything's okay and it's just a muscle strain muscle pull then then you're gonna be good but I see you shaking your head you're saying you think no no way I mean that is my hope but the fact that I have like the sciatic nerve shooting down my leg like that pain originally I had maybe my my the first visit to the urgent care when I went I actually had some loss of strength in like my dorsiflexion in my foot so that's kind of what really concerned the doctor the first time when he put me out so that since I've come back I can feel that it's a little weaker than normal but I still have that shooting sciatic pain so that's what that's basically what's got me worried oh wow did you had you heard it yeah I was opening this gate that work where we parked our patrol cars and the thing it was broken for a while it's a giant gate it's probably a few hundred pounds and it's kind of funny because I deadlift all the time as a trainer and basically I lived it and twisted weird like something like you guys say right everybody kind of reaches in the back seat of their car and that's how they ensure they're back and that's basically so the thing that concerns me is the loss of connection the weakness so yeah it could be herniated disc that or something something like that that's inflamed and pressing on the nerve that connects to those things and oftentimes if the inflammation goes down things get better then the the function comes back so there's not much I can say until you get your MRI back and see what's going on because if there is something pressing on that nerve you definitely want to get that address because then there's not much else you can do then try to work with what you got and if that get of course you know look you're a trainer you said yeah yeah trainer and cop out here and boy so I got to do you know physical stuff all time kind of yeah yeah run it did you actually feel a pop like was it like because I okay yeah so there's yeah there's probably something there it'd be interesting to see your MRI definitely yeah definitely get the MRI see what that says work with a movement specialist not just the surgeon yeah I'm going to put you in the forum because uh I think one of the greatest movement specialists that we have two of the greatest movement specialists between Dr. Brink and Jordan Shallow are both in our forum and so until we get a true diagnosis of what's going on we're all going to be sitting here speculating quite a bit you know what I'm saying and I think our advice greatly depends on what the diagnosis is before I tell you oh try some of the rehab movements right we have rehab moves we don't know if it's very good idea yeah so I think I think right now and and by back to your BPC157 as far as what to expect or is there any side effects there's no negative side effects you're going to feel from BP157 and the only thing you may notice is recovery faster which may be really difficult for you to measure and tell because this is the first time you've had this kind of major injuries so like I've re-injured certain parts of my body used it and I can tell how magical it is because something that would normally take me say two to four weeks to recover I recover in seven to ten days like so there's this so it's like that right it makes that big of a difference as far as the recovery process but it's that's easy for me to measure because it's an injury that I've seen before on my body and then I've something that's brand new it might be hard for you to tell how effective it is but it's it's probably helping the only the only issue I would have with the BPC is that if you got it from a research chemical lab there's no telling the quality or the you know what's in there did you go through transcend or no yeah so I actually went to transcend and it was funny because I placed the order I think on Friday or I actually got to their compound lab on Friday and I was like hoping I could get it send them an email I was like yeah I'm gonna be on the mind-bump Q&A and maybe you guys could expedite it and they actually did overnight it smart guy all of you guys real quick so shout out to transcend making it happen listen Nick Nick you get on the forum tag Dr. Justin Brink and when you get your MRI you could probably even show him what the MRI looks like and then you'll have a good idea of you know kind of where to go from there right awesome awesome could I throw in my little second half question that everybody gets yeah yeah do it all right so um basically my schedule is pretty busy I'm hoping when I get back sooner than later I'm just trying to figure out what's the best way for me to kind of maintain what I built well actually get that to where it was and maintain and also go on a little cut right now I'm like sitting at about two ten on six two I feel a little soft since I haven't been living for the last couple weeks so basically I train clients before I go into my shift at work on patrol so I might work like a 12 or 16 hour shift and maybe four hours prior to that I'll go into the gym that I work at and train a client or two a few days a week and I feel like I miss out on a lot of workouts myself because I'm in there training other people I try to do stuff in between or before I get to work but I'm just wondering what's like the best program to run in my situation so I have I have two thoughts around this I want to hear with the guys if they agree with me or not on this one from because of your schedule everything going on maps 15 I think would be a great resource for you but I also think because of the injury that you've had and the type of work that you do maps performance would really benefit you because of all just bulletproofing your body and the rotational stuff so if you were a client I'd actually try and kind of blend the two I'd actually have you following more of a a fifth maps 15 type of a protocol because of the amount of work and stuff that you have in time but then I would probably modify some of the movements to be more beneficial to like rotational strength and things like that that are going to benefit your your day to day work so that's kind of where I'm thinking with him yeah Nick the only thing is avoid right until you get the results of your MRI and it's conclusive avoid anything that requires that kind of stability so you would do a lot of seated exercises upper body exercises and then for your lower body you could do leg curls leg extensions but no leg press no squat no lunges no standing extra nothing that requires any stability from your lumbar and so and that'll be the best thing you could do to well that's I mean my advice is assuming you're fully recovered and you're back to training and you're I'm answering that question right now right now everything should be centered around rehab I mean everything that you do should be centered around recovering and getting back to yourself then after that the advice I was giving but yeah no I agree with Sal like right now it's you have to but like right now you could probably do leg extensions you could probably do leg curls and then just upper body stuff machines come in handy here so seated chest press seated row seated overhead press like just like bodybuilder kind of stuff just to keep yourself from from losing muscle yeah I think I'm gonna have to get a membership to like plan a fitness or something so I work out a climbing gym a rock climbing gym but we just have a small gym area with free weights so we don't have any really machines but yeah that's I guess that's gonna be the irony of our advice for someone like you in this case would actually be a lot of machine work yeah yeah I'd be doing a lot of machine and cable work with you right now keep stimulus and volume mm-hmm yeah just just get a pump is yeah you want to minimize any anything that requires lots of core stability or less intensity more in the volume that's right spectrum that's right okay less intensity more volume got you yeah right on you got a man so hope it for the best appreciate your time yeah we'll see you there because of your fitness level and your background and all that stuff I wouldn't be too freaked out I think whatever you're gonna see is probably gonna be okay you're gonna be able to work with you know but if you do have a herniated disc and it's swollen and pressing on the nerve that's what you're gonna feel but the good news is that's often solvable especially when somebody's fit you know we're not dealing with like this super deconditioned individual where it's like it's gonna be really hard and your fit you went into it fit so just make sure you do the right thing because if you build up that strength stability again yeah well you don't want to do is be like I think I feel okay I'm gonna go deadlift and then you know cause some real damage so wait till you get that MRI and then go on the forum tag Justin Brink and that guy that guy's he's the best he's the best at that got you thank you yeah man hopefully don't need to fight no crazy bad guys too often so oh yeah shoot him shoot him yeah no I'm just ready I'm gonna I'm gonna pull the cell and go jiu-jitsu on the guy just man we'll see you in the forum Nick thanks brother all right thank you for your time guys see you guys man I've had a um I had a couple clients exact almost the exact same thing where they they did have a herniated slight herniation and it pressed on the nerve and it caused like loss of basically I couldn't they've got a little numbness or whatever yeah you know it's crazy is I so I used to train a surgeon who would work on backs and I'll never forget we were sitting there talking about this and he goes you know it's weird so he goes if we took a hundred people outside right now and we imaged them a lot of people have it right he goes there would be a lot of people with with stuff that I could see on the imaging that I would normally want to operate on but they have no symptoms and he goes you want to know what else is weird he goes you know how many times I have people come in we image them we can't see anything wrong and they have all his back pain yeah this was years ago trip me out yeah well when it's pressed on the nerve I mean that's a pretty obviously okay we can address this I also want to take this as an opportunity to shout out mass performance because if you looked at our three core programs mass performance has sold the least of anabolic performance and aesthetic right everybody is drawn to anabolic and of course aesthetic for sculpting and it's like significantly different amount but the truth is everybody who's training those two programs should absolutely have rotations of mass performance in there for this exact reason right you could be the strong fit guy who can deadlift all this way and simply just rotating or twisting a certain way that's out of a normal movement pattern that you would do and this is how all of my clients that I train got hurt nobody ever got hurt deadlifting or squatting with me they always got hurt doing a movement that was rotating or twisting and it was always light and easy pulling weeds picking up the shampoo bottle moot lifting a gate and rotating it's always something like that and that program that's a lot of how we designed that was to bulletproof the body for these exact reasons 100 percent our next caller is Justin from Ohio what up Justin Justin what's happening tapping in you guys thank you for taking my question today you got it man so a little bit of background about me and where this question is coming from so I'm 41 years old about six to 215 somewhere between 20 and 25 percent body fat about 15 years ago I had half my thyroid was removed due to a tumor and so ultimately that kind of led to me gaining and fluctuating weight a lot of water retention things like that ultimately the other half kind of gave out and they put me on a low dose of centroid but you know because of that I entered into some very unhealthy relationships with diet and exercise so the past you know 15 years of my life I've been you know hopping from program to program trying different crash diets things like that kind of came to a crash this summer where I was you know doing a pretty intense training regimen also running and hitting the peloton sometimes on the same day all while eating somewhere between 1800 and 2200 calories and when I found you guys I recognized some of the damages I was doing to my body so this summer really at the end of the summer I started you know consuming a lot of the content you guys are putting out and cut all my training got anabolic just doing two days a week on that starter versus diet so I've ramped up slowly to where I'm about 2700 calories now put on about 15 pounds over that time but again I'm trying not to focus on the numbers try not to look at scale and ultimately that leads me to my question of you know do you guys have any tips or tricks to deal with the psychological aspects of a reverse diet and how do I know when to stop right because I mean there's really just messing with my brain so that's all I mean it's a this is a great question and I think super common when somebody is going through a reverse diet especially for the first time when I train a client like you especially when you've you've actually gained like you got pretty good momentum right now it sounds like you've increased your calories quite a bit you've been able to reduce a ton of activity and movement so just think about first of all just think about that for a minute like you've radically reduced the amount of calorie burn you've been doing while also increasing calories and the scale and then I'm assuming if you're lifting weights too you know you've if some of that 15 pounds probably a good amount of that's definitely some muscle you feel a lot stronger I am getting stronger I definitely feel different than what I did this summer and you know I'm actually getting ready to finish anabolic and so I was thinking about just doing it again to kind of compare some of those numbers not a bad idea and you're doing the two-day a week version I did yeah what do you what other activity are you doing just daily dog walk that's it I tried I cut all cardio other than just like walk in the morning walk in the evening oh he could go to three days a week we could do three yeah do the three-day a week version of maps on the ball oh three day a week and then where I was heading with that conversation was first of all that that's how I would start it is is making you realize how far you've already come like you're doing a really good job right now and then I would say to a client like you say hey listen if I can show you how good you're doing already just by simply cutting your calories for two weeks to watch what will happen I mean you can do that where you'll interrupt a reverse diet or interrupt a bulk with a short period of cutting just so you can get that psychological relief of like oh wow okay I see I see what's going on here I could in it just if you're at 2700 I could take you down to 2000 to 22 for two weeks and you'll watch yourself lean out you will and just to show improve to my client we're doing the right thing can you see like look at boom we'll just cut the calories watch how the body responds just in two weeks not changing anything else but the the diet part and then I would put you right back to the reverse again and say come on let's keep going let's keep it let's keep going down this path let's get this sucker up to 3400 3500 calories and just imagine what it's going to look like when we cut down to 2500 calories and so but a lot of times that will really help my clients psychologically or just me constantly reminding them like man you are like think about that you were doing peloton you were running you were doing all this movement you were eating less calories now you're eating more eating more calories moving less and building muscle building strength and you've only gone up on the scale 15 pounds like we're we're doing the right thing I would add a third day so I would follow the maps so maps and a ball it gives you that you know AB workout so you just now you go AB so it'd be Monday Wednesday Friday instead of like whatever you're doing now so add that extra day go ahead and cut your calories for go ahead and do it for three weeks four weeks that's fine nothing wrong with that just see how you feel and then go back on the reverse diet all right so just don't get caught because what happens sometimes is you start leaning out then you get real excited you want to keep going that direction and two to three weeks turns into six to eight weeks and then before you know then you hit a hard plateau frustrated again now here's the key to overcoming the psychological aspect of what you're going of what you're going through the key is always going to be to change the patterns of thinking so anytime you find yourself going in that direction catch yourself and think of something else and then don't weigh yourself literally don't weigh yourself don't pay attention to that and place your focus on the strength that you feel in the gym it's a much better place to put your focus especially when you're on a reverse diet because you're going to get stronger and that's going to encourage you that you're moving in the right direction every time you weigh yourself it's going to be that reminder of oh am I doing the right thing what's going on or whatever but if you just focus on your strength that's going to be great because if you're doing it right you'll be getting stronger but there'll be nothing wrong with a cut for three or four weeks just don't get Adam hit the nail on the head is you may you might see some weight loss and be like oh here we go let's add some cardio let's add some let's cut more calories and you don't want to end up at 15 her calorie your size you know trying to get leaner because then you know that ends up it's it's not a really sustainable good sustainable place yeah no I mean it's uh I really appreciate the insight and kind of help them talk through that because again I like you said Adam it's uh you get that taste of it right oh man I'm starting to lean out I can I can make it by summer so yeah I hear where you're going with it so I appreciate it you're hitting your protein targets right yeah oh yeah yeah really been focused on sleep you know I'm averaging between seven and eight and a half hours night so just really trying to some recovery excellent it's not it's not like you're doing really good bro and you're and you're and you're uh you're you're your your t your t3 t4 everything's balanced with your how long have you been thyroid on uh synthroid about 13 years oh you're good so the the newest thing was they put me on calcitriol for um the hypo parathyroid as well so those the two parathyroids got removed as well okay um though the active vitamin d3 is a little new to me that's about it been going on about a year so still playing around with some of that stuff how do you do with carbohydrates um I feel like I do pretty well okay um okay good yeah what about gluten never noticed any problems I actually uh one of the I got Dr. Girol's test sitting down on the counter it got here uh yesterday so I'm gonna do a food sensitivity test and see how that turns up okay good yeah oftentimes not always but oftentimes people with anything related to the thyroid um gluten tends to be an issue gluten alcohol yeah alcohol is the other one but gluten is because uh and there's some data that that supports this but this is a lot of this is just anecdote um and in my experience the functional medicine practitioners I work with that that people with thyroid type issues either develop antibodies or you know like look at people with the Hashimoto stuff like that you know high thyroid related issues gluten tends to be an issue with them more than the average person but you'll see from this test that you're doing with them you can also just experiment by cutting gluten out needing carbs from other sources and see how you feel after a few weeks but that'd be the only thing I'd say the other thing I'd say look at okay no I appreciate it yeah mostly potatoes and rice guy for carbs so awesome after you do maps and a Bollock I'd like to put you on a different program um how do you have access to a gym or is this a home gym a little bit of both so I travel for work but I always can find a buy a gym on the road but I have a pretty good home set up as well I actually just purchased performance and thought about going to it but again as I'm kind of winding down anabolic that's when it kind of hit me like maybe I should try this again yeah there's nothing wrong with anabolic performance is amazing it's one of the best programs someone can do I'm going to send you maps power lift because at some point if you start to get frustrated like you start to get like oh god am I you know I'm worried about getting weight losing weight like power lift is a strength program period in the story and that's all you're going to focus on it's a really good program for people who struggle with the reverse diet situation because I mean power lifts about getting strong so it's a really good place to place your focus I'll send you that so you have it okay I love hearing you toggle between those three by the way too like anabolic interrupt with performance next and then do power lift and kind of do a rotation like that doesn't mean it'll be great yeah that those are a great combo of programs to have that sounds awesome no I really appreciate thank you you got it man all right Justin thanks for calling in thank you all appreciate the appreciate the insight thank you you got it brother you know for people listening right now the psychological aspect is always the challenge yeah nothing else is a challenge it's always the mental games always always always it's so tough it's so challenging to deal with it and the best approach that I've seen that work that I'll do for myself I've seen with clients it's the place because I could easily you know it's easy to say just don't think about that like okay what do I think about where I go it's like place your focus on something else and if you're if your fear is gaining body fat well put your focus on getting strong that'll help you that'll help encourage you to eat enough nutrients because getting you can't eat too little and get strong it just doesn't work crazy part about this I think this is the second person today that we talked to that actually is doing really well yeah you're doing good I mean you've put in a perspective like okay if you put 15 pounds on the scale and you've been training and you eat relatively good but you we can probably guess for sure there's been some body fat there's been some muscle and there's definitely some water so 15 pounds while dramatically reducing the amount of cardio activity only strength training twice a week two days a week increasing your calories by a significant about that's a fucking huge win yeah I mean that's a huge win yeah he's a big guy so 15 pounds if you did if the five of that was lean body mass it could easily be another five body fat and five water so that's not bad at all when you're reverse dieting from a position where he came from where he had dealt with being overweight and and the reason why I bring that point up is if this was a client of mine many times I'd be encouraging just work keep going yeah keep going we're going right bring it out through just let's keep going on this on this path we're heading the right way but I also recognize because I've had this so many times where someone that's they're really struggling with the psychological part and so I'll interrupt it sometimes just to show them okay let me show you what we've accomplished already bam I take them down to a low calorie for a couple weeks and they go oh my god they say they say okay but this that'll end if we just stay here so let's get back on our plan and just trust this process and a lot of times that gains their confidence and okay he knows what we're doing we got this 100% look if you're a trainer or a coach you love the show you want to learn how to become more successful you want to get your clients better results more sustainable results and you want to make more money and you want to work less you can do all those things we've trained trainers and coaches for years go to minepumptrainer.com sign up there's a three day course I'll be doing for free for trainers and coaches also if you want to find all of us on Instagram you can 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