Good evening everyone. Welcome to tonight's Common Council meeting before we start the meeting tonight I'd ask our city clerk to read the quote for the week. Thank you Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom. That's a first quote. She's ever done. That's five words or six words. Thank you Very right, but very appropriate Call the six regular meeting of the Common Council order. Please call roll Bourne Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rinfleshe Ryan Suric Excuse Vanderwheel for hassled and wangeman 15 present qualms present 15 present. I didn't I say 15. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay 15 now It's time to pledge Allegiance to the wonderful and beautiful country. We live in lemon geisha. Would you lead us? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty justice for all Thank you all in geisha Before we go to approve the minutes. I would ask again People do call my office and ask that I ask you make sure your mics are attached to your collar your tie None of the waving it around because people can't hear you And make sure that you have it on you all the time. It's very important Approval of the minutes president Thank you, mr. Mayor. I Make a motion to approve the minutes Motion and second under discussion There is not all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries minutes or approve Resignations attorney McLean I There's a letter to the mayor dated June 5 2008 From Bill bulky city engineer advising that he's resigning his position of city engineer for the city of Sheboygan Effective 5 p.m. On July 31 He's recently accepted an offer to serve as director of public works for the village of Bellevue, Wisconsin, which is Suburb of Green Bay I'd ask motion to accept and file But now mr. Mayor, I'd make a motion to accept and file the document second motion in second under discussion I'd asked about you. Is there any would you like to say any words at all? Thank You mayor common council residents of Sheboygan Just wanted to thank everyone for the opportunity to serve a city engineer Every once in a while you get one of those opportunities of a lifetime where everything comes together And this was one of those I hate to be Partying the city Sheboygan. We have a lot to do here But it's I really do appreciate the opportunity to serve We're moving up to Bellevue. We've got a lot of family coming together up there And it's a growing community and we're looking to be a part of that so I appreciate the opportunity to be here Thank you. Thank you very much, and we thank bill for the wonderful work that he's done during my three years as mayor He he not only became a good loyal committed worker, but I believe a friend also and I hate to see him go, but when he came into my office I said I will never try to enter interfere with somebody's personal goals and desire for self-improvement and Bill wish you and your family the best wish you great success, and I know you'll attain it. Thank you very much Any discussion on that? There is not only in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries resignations is accepted mayor's appointments attorney McLean Hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration John Kittleson to be considered for appointment to the Sheboygan Commission on Fair Housing Practices To fill the unexpired position of Mary Keitel whose term expires on 422 2013 signed by the mayor and that will lie over if anybody doesn't know who John Kittleson is Please let me know I will have a bio otherwise. We're going to move it through And Mark Zafis to be considered for appointment to the Wellness Committee as the representative from the Mead Public Library with the term expiring 430-09 signed by the mayor again mark is the finance officer for the library if anybody would like any more information Please let me know that lies over Alma Barn, Vice President born. Thank you, your honor that document. I don't think was in our packets I'm mr. Zafis. It just came in this afternoon. It just came in today. We can get copies for you. Thank you Thank you Put it. Thank you attorney McLean next item on the agenda is a public forum Adam City-Clarke. Thank you first on our list is Jack Wurz And mr. Wurz. Can you give me your home address, please? 47 Winnebago place and You will have five minutes or Mayor Perez members of the council Sheboygan County Taxpayer Alliance Thanks to Common Council for addressing many of the items that were submitted to you on June 18th of 2007 While all 12 of those items were not addressed the ones that were having a positive effect on the taxpayers of Sheboygan and For that you are to be congratulated We now request that you the Common Council Continue your positive efforts in addressing our 2008 proposals and thus establish a more efficient government while reducing costs and maintaining Satisfactory services to the community We submit the following items for your consideration and action this year number one Restruction of city government By forming a study committee Results of that committee to be put on a referendum in the fall 2008 Election we recommend a city administrator. However, we are open to examination of other types We have included an online survey from citizens on our website, which we urge you to read Technology when City Hall is renovated install electronic voting machines Laptop computers for the alderman and earnestly work with the other government entities for mutual savings Tax incremental districts full disclosure of all TIF districts tax payers Respect a return on their investments now The annexation of the polar where property study other Possibilities north and south Extending services of our regional wastewater treatment plant to new Annexations We feel the annexation of the polar where property would be a first step in attempting to ease the confusion Caused by jagged boundaries on both the north and south ends of our city number five Have any active committee of the whole Meet every week Preferably on the opposite Mondays at City Hall and televised Because of the important work of the committee of the whole we feel that the regular meetings on TV Would be a help in forming the public as to the workings of this committee number six Adopt an aggressive ongoing five-year street plan The interest rate currently charged to homeowners now at 7% Should equal the rate at the city is paying at 4% It seems only fair that the homeowners get a lower rate as they are already paying a fair share of the load number seven Closely monitor the ambulance service by means of trial balance and audits We feel it is extremely important to the taxpayers that a complete and accurate accounting be given To verify profits or losses number eight The city plan department should produce a 10-year plan to start buying lands for future needs and Get out of the lending business except for industrial bonds for the creation of jobs We see this as good practice business-like and preparing for the future financial stability a Corporate council look into the corporate council versus the city attorney position Investigate this as to the possibility of it being more cost-effective and Finally number 10 vehicle leasing what has been done was it investigated? Investigated were costs compared The city borrowed from the eight million dollar motor vehicle fund Where and what is the structure of the repayment I? Thank you on behalf of the Sheboygan County Taxpayers Alliance for this Opportunity to appear before you this evening. Thank you. Thank you, sir Next on the list would be Ryan's ankle Ryan, can you give us your home address please 1609 North 17th Street? And you may want to when you get back there pull the mic up a little bit closer to you because you're a little bit taller That'd be great. Thank you. And when you're ready, you will have five minutes. Great. Thanks. Is that okay? Yeah, that's better Well as mentioned my name is Ryan's ankle. I'm a board member of the Friends of the Senior Activity Center and For those of you that don't know the Friends of the Senior Activity Center is a nonprofit Organization which promotes the public welfare of the elderly and senior citizens of Sheboygan through general support and development of the Sheboygan Senior Activity Center I've only been on this board since February My understanding is that this group was formed in the 90s as a grassroots effort to increase funding for the Senior Activity Center and increase activities As a board member we have two primary goals and one is to raise funds for the Senior Activity Center and A second is to raise awareness of the Senior Activity Center And we are planning an event that attempts to accomplish both During the last several months we've worked with Alderman Bob Ryan We've worked with Kim Swisher and the Sheboygan Police Department in creating an event and making this event a reality We the Friends of the Senior Activity Center are excited to announce that Rick Daringer will be headlining an event at July 5th at D-Land Park What I passed out to you is a press release that we put together Recently and it went out and it was in the weekend edition of the Sheboygan Press last week But just gives more of the details on what the event is again Rick Daringer headlining There will be seven other bands also performing at D-Land Park There will also be arts and crafts and there will be the above and beyond museum on hand to Do face painting and other crafts with children. It's an all ages event It's free open to the public and I hope to see as many of you that you there is possible And if you have any questions about it, please let me know. I've got left my contact information on the bottom of that press release I Guess I'd be willing to feel any questions now if there are any No, I'm not allowed to do that So give me a call. Thank you. Thanks very much. Thank you And Next we have milk storm and you probably want to yes you do Could we have your home address please milk? Yes, it's a 1736 Marvin court and It's on this corner of Salk Trail Road I live on the good side of the tracks and officer winter lives on the other side And you will have five minutes, sir recently I discovered through my Letters through the editor book everybody should have one of these It is given to me by my niece from down in Milwaukee who is a financial planner The first letter that I'm going to read it would be my letter and Because I'm a most motivational speaker I generally don't Consider issues at a regular meeting. I really reserved that for committee meetings The first letter that I wrote was written in January 6th of 2006 and I don't know when the second letter was written But that is by the husband of a council representative when I wrote my letter January 6th I was suffering from anxiety depression in a slight case of dementia This was due to that my wife was being in the nursing home And I had been just gaffled by the honorable mayor at the January 3rd 06 council meeting Since blowing off a little steam and a lot of hot air I seem to have returned back to normal Now here's my letter. I had to rewrite this because it wasn't very good Excuses excuses and more excuses. I certainly am sorry for my critical excuses I made at the city council meeting Tuesday, January 3rd in my humble manner I thought it was time for the truth. How many more allegations in this council? Allegation is this council going to make against each other and the good citizens of Sheboygan I'm a pretty good prophet. I might not For the Sheboygan press to have alderman bill stuff and featured on the front page making false Agitization about senator Joe liben and his contributions from walmart is inexcusable The press ought to be ashamed of trying to manufacture news Also having alderman vicki meyers picture on the front page and her dictatorial message I believe she sent to some of the members of the library board is upsetting and smells How many older persons have had two master degrees or even have finished their college courses How many have they even had a minor scrape with the law? Why make a spectacle of some of the good citizens in the Sheboygan press And then I wrote something about the salaries of the of the city employees What about kim switzer salary newly hired tourism director that could be At least reducing our taxpayers by a couple thousand dollars Well, the Sheboygan county taxpayers receive 30 percent of the new tourism pay As stated by citizen lee monta mayer jr in a letter to the editor accusing me of false knowledge I feel I have every right to protect my good name As I told congressman sense and burner at a few years ago Change will only occur if some of your accusers change their attitudes and their way of thinking Let's keep Sheboygan in Sheboygan county a good place to raise the family And then the second letter I did give a couple of copies To some of the older persons although I can get more and this is facts not rumors be the reason to conduct investigation And this is in regard to joja checo and the votes for job After reading the background of the district attorney's investigation in the so-called vote for job in Sheboygan county government It seems this probe was motivated discredit discredit mayor warren pares alderman jim graff and older person renae shusha Since when do investigations start with rumors? This has the same smell as when form former alderman danily berg overheard someone tell somebody something That rumor threat on rumored hearsay was proved to be nothing more than an imagination running wild Well, I have a Sheboygan press editorial where citizen lee monta mayer Swore he says god almighty the mayor wouldn't do something like that, would he? That investigation caused city taxpayers thousands of dollars according to Sheboygan police chief david kirk I find both investigations similar in the decision to use taxpayers money on issues caused by rumors I believe the speculation that several city officials would be involved in a part-time job payoff doesn't make much sense It didn't benefit any one in the rumored accusations until after the vote and then and only then was there a job Anyone could apply for if they had the qualification. I would have applied, but I was overqualified The rumor initiated by henry capitello quote Said that susan hunley said renae shusha said that unquote is the Imagination of one or all of the parties involved in spreading this rumor I cannot believe an investigation was even considered on such trivial information Excuse me. No, uh your five minutes are up. Would you like your additional one minute? Yes, I'll be go ahead Here's the kicker It sounds like chief kirk District attorney joja checo and others involved in this fiasco were prime time duped The involvement of two judges fund out fund alike Police personnel and state officials dragged into this web is extremely embarrassing To our community and state the rumor that should never have gotten past the initial smell test when first submitted by wistful minds Wanting someone to be proven guilty of something lead month of may or This I don't think it will pass the test. It certainly has a rancid odor does anyone think Oh, I want to thank you for listening and Uh For giving me this opportunity and as for alderman ryan professional representatives I think that's for some a little stretch Thank you Last on the list would be henry capetillo henry, can I have your home address, please? Yes, that's uh 16 19 north 38th street and that's in the town of shaborgan Okay, and you will have five minutes, sir. Okay. Thank you Uh, I really didn't plan to come and speak today. I didn't even prepare anything, but I thought well, you know what? Things happened so fast in this council That you blink and all of a sudden It goes it goes through And when I read the article in the shaborgan press about the joint dispatch and how that was pretty much DOA dead on arrival that The council was considering not considering that Um, I felt that you know what? You read everything in the shaborgan press some of the things that they say and the last start of the last time I was here. I spoke on how There was cooperation between the city and how they were going to be involved in the the program with the it department and how the The county felt that they this was an afterthought And that they weren't involved and then After that there was a lot of Discussion of how they were going to do joint jointly and work more together and in fact, I even read in the paper later on That they're going to be doing things and looking at becoming more green and doing things with the county task force on that and And in the article it said basically that uh, there were two alderman that really Were we're fighting to keep that and that they should really look at it and seriously look at Taking a second look at that and that was alderman born and alderman ver hassle And I like to commend them for really trying to do the best for the taxpayer I think anytime that you can look at sharing services with the county You're going to save money for the taxpayer And the the other person or the other alderman that was uh, quote in the paper Was alderman hanna and one of the things that He said was that in order for them to look at it that it was going to possibly cost a million dollars more for the budget than what That would be needed and When you look at the decisions that you make You should really look at the ramifications not only at the present time that you're looking at it But also further down the line I can remember coming to this council and speaking on the budget for the police station And how it first was 17 million dollars Then from 17 million it again it went down to 15 million Then it was 14 million I remember talking to a couple of the older persons here Because I was I was concerned about the the size of the police station and was it even going to be adequate I was told by several older persons that Well, you know what there's there's kind of concession now that the mayor was going to be Supporting a 12 million dollar budget for the police department for the police station and that it was going to be voted on well I came to that meeting here and Sure enough what happened is from 12 million It went down to I think approving something like eight or nine million dollars for the police station So now what happens is you look at what? Happens When you make the decisions like that and now you're looking at If one issue of a joint service with the county is going to impact it by a million dollars Wouldn't it have been better to? Make that decision at that time to to provide enough resources and enough money to be able to Have an adequate building from what it looks like right now is Apparently before you're even Put a Take one step in the door the building is already obsolete. I mean you're looking at that you cannot expand You will not be able to do that and is it going to cost you more money in the long run If you look at how much the cost savings would be That if you would have approved a higher budget and maybe later on You wouldn't have had to look at increases of of this magnitude if you're looking at a million dollars just to add the The the joint dispatch. What does that tell you about the? The police station and what the capabilities are going to be in the future And I think that in the in the long run Those are some of the things that that you have to look at because what happens is Yes, it is going to cost you more money Upfront but are you really saving money down the line in issues like this? What other service that you're going to be looking at that? Within the budget constraints that are coming up within shared revenue diminishing The state is looking at Making more cuts and then if you're looking at what other services that you're going to want to consolidate that Would you like a additional minute? Yes That now you're going to have spend more money in the long run And I think that seriously any service That you can consolidate and that you can do jointly with the county is just going to save the taxpayers money These are some of the things that I think that you look at and when you look at the decisions that you that you make Look at what the ramifications are going to be down the line Thank you very much. Thank you That's it I'd like to thank the Citizens who addressed the council tonight as always. We appreciate the citizens coming forward addressing our common council Next item on the agenda is the mayor's comments and I wanted to briefly Talk to you about three things of the flooded city areas that we've experienced in the last few days Talk a little bit about the pothole hotline that we will be setting up and Talk a little bit about the clean city initiative Code enforcer that you will be acting on and hopefully Past tonight item number six dash 70 Our rain gauges Tell us that approximately 11 inches of rain fell Incheboygan over the line over the over the last nine days that we had to rain Keep in mind that that we know that the average rainfall in june is about 3.5 inches So we actually had mother nature dumb about three times as much as she's done ever Now we had a a good beating with the snow caused us to go over budget And now we're going to we had a good beating with the rain and quite frankly, none of us can predict if that's the end of it or not What we can do is prepare ourselves in the event that it does happen again Some of the things that that that happened is we had quick rain flooded intersections in low areas Sheboygan has a lot of low areas keep in mind We have a river and a lake everything wants to flow down to the lake and to the river So we will experience that whenever we have that much rainfall in such little time Long-term rain saturation of soil and foundation that we're still dealing with that. There's a lot of that We had about 40 to 50 flooding calls over the the last two days of the rain Which are a lot of calls. We had about 25 locations that had sanitary sewer backup We had to deal with that Four county radio towers were struck by lightning How that happened? I don't know they say lighting only strikes ones or something But in this case it's not the same tower but four different towers And just decided to pick four towers from the county and knocked them and render them ineffective for about 12 hours So that cost some some problems with communications and only the handheld radios were actually working and sometimes with difficulty at that We also had problems with lighting Some pumps water in basements water in crawl spaces. We had roof leaks that were caused by alarm activations We had water in the front of the yards and in the back of the yard So there was a lot of things happening because of the rain Overall while it may be difficult for a lot of people to believe Our system work the way it's designed to work. It's just that a lot of water fell pretty quick over our city and our system What wasn't able to handle it and drain it properly, but it was working as soon as the water stopped System started working pretty good. I do want to thank the public works department for their for their quick work the fire department the police department and the county The director of emergency management, which is steve steinhardt these three entities having three departments and the county management emergency management Director worked together as a team addressed all these issues that I just talked about and perhaps even more And were able to deal with it very very effectively to the satisfaction of a lot of people Not everyone was satisfied with the way we handled it, but I want to assure the council and the public That we weren't not ignoring the situation every department had this that has a responsibility to deal with this was on it including myself Our walls entire overall our entire Stormwater system did his job like I said in the last 10 years the city has invested about 20 million dollars in stormwater Infrastructure and sanitary sewer improvements if you go back another 10 about another 20 So overall in the last 20 years been about 40 million dollars folks. That's a lot of money And we're still going to need to invest more In the past heavy rainfall like we've had would have cost more widespread damage Because our system worked the way it was supposed to and handle the water the way it should Although it was slow and sometimes we would have probably had a lot more damage a lot more calls a lot more concerns from the public Overall it worked also keep in mind that about nine states in the entire midwest In iowa, I think at times it was reported that 90 percent of iowa at one time or another was underwater Probably half of it still is We did not pair off so bad our city was was pretty good off I know that appleton and oscach had some serious problems out there continue to have some serious problems We are doing pretty good as we stand now some of our short-term responses That we did it was a barricade flooding streets Obviously the first thing you have to do is barricade some of the flooding streets, but you would be amazed at how people Knowing that the storms were coming and there's a lot of rainfall and a lot of rain Accumulating in certain low areas people were still driving around And I would caution people that when we have this type of situation and you see any amount of water in the street Don't drive through it because you don't know how deep it is. So we had as a consequence cars being stalled water being gushed out into Residents windows and so forth. So the best thing to do when we have a situation like this is for people to to stay home We also Short-term responses There is a lot of pumping of basements and backyards the police the fire department and public works department Went out to private residences and we helped them out. It was just too much water They we also did a lot of opening of the catch basins There was I believe four crews in the public works department alone working on that We helped with the sewer backups And we tried to prevent other sewer backups as we were doing that and we also helped people who had flooded basements and Furniture and carpet destroyed We asked them to take it out to curb and the city picked it up Normally, we don't do that But we thought it was it was the right thing to do the proper thing to do for the citizens of shabuagan our long-term responses Is that we need to identify the the flood areas and most of those have been identified But we're still keeping an eye on that. I've got public works working on that We need to identify who the affected homeowners are and those areas where we'll flood We need to analyze what the infrastructure is like at those areas there We need to know what is there now And then we need to know what needs to be done If anything in that particular area and then of course folks We're going to have to determine what the cost is going to be if we're going to do anything about that And after we do all that I believe we need to do Prioritization we can only have so much money budgeted and capitalized for improvements So we would need to come back and say we've got 10 areas we can only do five this time around or in the next five years What i'm also looking i'm looking at is I know that we have the risk management committee But some citizens we're talking about why doesn't the city have a damage assessment committee Which is basically what risk management does But they really don't go out and look physically at the properties while the risk manager risk management person does that There is no really group of people that can do that I thought it was a good idea at first and I will continue to mull that idea around to see if we want to go Anywhere with that Also one of the things that we ran up against is the fifth in new york intersection As you know that thing floods it's a funnel whenever it rains water just pours partly In big part because of the county parking lot there it's got black top So the water has nowhere to go except down to that A drain there People did call the city has been promising for 20-something years that they're going to fix it. Why haven't you done anything about it? We have promised at least from my standpoint as mayor we have promised and we are working on it now It's a problem that I inherited. It's a problem that all of you inherited this problem has been long going for a long time What we're looking at there is the Putting a 54 inch diameter Storm sewer because right now it's not big enough and in some areas as you go work your way up the hill To go down to the river We're probably going to have to be digging about 30 35 feet So it's going to be it's going to be a lot of work and because of that major Construction we're also going to have to tear the the street and rebuild it in concrete So there's a lot of that being planned right now One of the things that the the Bill uh the city engineer bill walkie told me is that the heap expects before he leaves on july 31st That he will complete the plans and bid the design before leaving So we should be pretty well set uh on fifth in new york and that will take a big burden off the council In terms of being responsive to the citizens And it will address an area that has needed it for a very long time Other long-term responses that I like to consider and work with the council with is we will be working with the with the cable Station this time we had some some some problems with the communication We plan to reach out to them again and work with them The website our city website and the radar for public announcements Obviously we work with the shabuigan press all the time, but they usually have the story after all this happens So we we will work with them however we can One of the things that I hope to do and i've talked to two july the it director and uh chief lustusky Fire chief lustusky is to give access To two people in the police department and two people in the fire department To be able to change and not change to be able to to put Notices on our website immediately Now they the it department has to do it. Well, this thing happens at midnight We have to have the ability and the police department and the fire department for two people to go in there and put notices to the public So that they're able to go on our website and keep in touch as to what's what's being done or what they can expect That'll be a big improvement in terms of our emergency management and Communication with the public Also, what I'd like to consider is invest more money towards stormwater infrastructure street repair and reconstruction And many stormwater sewers as we went out. We saw a lot of the backyards Need to be drained Also, we saw that a lot of the backyards have been graded the wrong way They're graded towards the basement not away from the basement and some of them have a very low spot And that is a private thing that they need to to work on but what we can do from our standpoint is Help install the mini stormwater sewers, which will help drain those back areas The other thing that I would like to do is a request that the council approve This document 677 6-77 that you'll be dealing with tonight. We will be referred to finance committee. It's a request for me to To increase our capital improvements Borrowing from three million dollars to five million dollars And to earmark the additional two million dollars for the next five years so that we can invest 10 million dollars into our infrastructure I noticed all the mingish is smiling. He's already said thumbs up But but seriously for the longest time the city of shabuigan was borrowing five million dollars for capital improvements Already at some point the council decided to cut down to three million Now I think the times and the concerns that we have Dictate that we go back and consider borrowing five million for five years So we can capitalize 10 million dollars to put into our infrastructure improvements in street and reconstruction And that document as I said 677 will go to finance Also, there was some some concern about numbers to call For the public that's watching the the city does mail out the calendars for the recyclables and collection of garbage And and on the back There's all the numbers that you need if they don't have a calendar They can call the mayor's office will gladly send them a number But the number for public works is and has been four five nine three four four eight For public works is three four five nine three four four eight And that's the number that people need to call with the issues that deal with public works Of course people can also call the police and fire and ambulance by dialing 911 It's a quick way to do it or the dispatchers can refer you back to the three four four eight number For the emergency for the county emergency management department the numbers there are four five nine three one one nine Or four five nine three three six zero and if those numbers Somebody needs those numbers. They can also call my office and we'll be glad to provide them for you Important media for people who will be going through another storm like we've had before important media to keep in mind is Look towards the radio the city website and cable tv Those are the three main ones and of course the numbers that you need to call Some people call me at my house. That's okay, too. We'll take the calls And i'm sure some alderman got calls too. I think that's okay, too. They'll take the calls Now as a final reminder to uh, wednesday starting at about 10 a.m FIBA officials are going to be in the city of shabuagan actually in the county But they will be in the city to assess the rain and flood damage to the county and to the city And depending on the severity of the damage, there may be some federal money available to people either as an outright grant or as low interest loan and the Steve steinhardt the director of emergency management for the county is asking the people To assess whatever damage anyone had any amount of damage and report it to him to steve steinhardt Again, those numbers are four five nine three one one nine four five nine three three six oh The information the the damage assessment has to come in before any before any determination Is to be made as to whether we qualify or whether we should pursue any type of federal funds and grants or low interest loans And then as a final note on that issue, please stay home during times of tornado warnings heavy rains and flooding Please stay home. There will be a police fire and public works out there trying to address the situation And it just makes a little bit more difficult when when people don't stay home Next item that I'd like to just briefly touch on is the pothole hotline As you know, we had a very severe nasty brutal winter Because we did our streets took a beating and there's a lot of potholes out there I know it. You know it. We're not ignoring it. We just have to follow the uh, the procedures that public works has to try to Deal with the situation. We don't have 20 people that can go out there and patch potholes We do have some people that do it sooner or later. We're going to catch up to it But to make things easier for people is by monday We will have and we will announce a pothole hotline where people can actually just pick up the phone call At wine 800 number and give us the information and we should be able to dispatch the The appropriate people to take care of that pothole for you The city clean city initiative You have before you today A document that will approve the the This it's 670. I should say that was the one on that 670 a document that will pass or not pass the city coat enforcer It's a very important position. It's a seasonal position. It's not a full-time position It's an hourly position But that city code enforcer we're hoping to if this council approves it tonight. We're hoping to have that individual On board hired interviewed hired by june 14th that gives people as of now about four weeks notice Clean up. What's that? I'm sorry july. Yes Classes aren't working july 14th As of now people have about Four weeks as as good sound notice to start cleaning up yards at some point folks It's going to start to cost people more money to keep garbage in their yards and it is to get rid of it It's it's that simple and again I repeat myself because I really believe it Is that no one should have to look out their windows? No one that takes care of their yards and spends money and time should have to look out their windows and see garbage Somewhere around their homes and this code enforcer will will will be able to work with that The city will be joining in partnership in a cooperative effort with the the lake char apartments association Of which john kiddison is president of Basically what they'll be involved is a There will be from the lake char apartments association a power point presentation by city inspectors to the association When court code enforcement of nuisances abandoned cars, etc, etc That that power point presentation will provide some some basic knowledge and key points about how we how we Approach the abatement of nuisances It'll also be a two-week windshield survey of yard and dwelling conditions And one of those yards that needs attention that gets cleaned up Will be nominated by one of the the judges that will come from the lake char apartments association For a for a proclamation from the city. So we're hoping that people will take pride To follow that we will have a two three minute two 30 minute segments on tv8 on code enforcement I'll have one inspector two association members and myself Doing two 30 minute sessions to talk about code enforcement and how it impacts our community If anyone has any questions regarding anything that i've spoken tonight about i'd ask that you call my office I'd be glad to provide answers for you Thank you very much. Moving on consent agenda president hannah Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, all the person meyer asked me to pull forward rc 626 Okay, hold on All the men were hassle had no one's yes all the men were hassle Thank you, your honor. I'd like to request a pull document 651 and 666 forward for a vote 661 and 656 I'm sorry. What were the numbers again 651 and 666. Well 666 Please do proceed The reason being is uh 651 just for the audience and for all those here I just to refresh. We're right if you recall back in july of last year nearly a year ago this council Put forward a document to the county law committee Stating our intentions and our interest in combining our shared service or combining our dispatch centers A lot of you might remember it was a You probably some might argue that it was somewhat one-sided. I think I think that By the by the laughter in the audience, I'd say that'd be uh well accepted, but um I guess some of us felt that even though it was maybe somewhat one-sided it was a it was a Olive branch put out there to start the discussions going a catalyst if you will just to get things going Expecting there would be a counter to come back to us and say, okay. No, that's way off the market This is where we want to be As we're all aware nothing happened So the document served more as an impediment than it did as a catalyst And it sat there for like I said nearly a year so when it brought up in the Recent finance committee meeting alderman alderman's geisha and bow bow brought forward their concern that it was in conflict There was some conflict with my document 666 Seeing that there was this old document languishing hanging out there So as I stated at the meeting and if you see here in front of you in document 651 I'm asking to clean the slate and start over with our discussions with the county And remove this not to tie any numbers Any scenario together but to start fresh and uh to get the discussion going quickly we have a committee meeting a shared service committee meeting with the county Next week wednesday, um, and I think that would be a perfect opportunity to start this whole discussion all over again Do you need what you need to make a motion if you're going to pull it forward? Yeah, I'd like to make a motion to bring this to about Like to make a motion to bring this to about pull it forward for about no no If you're going to go in 651 you need to make a motion to put that resolution upon its passage Yes, I'd ask that 651 be put upon its passage Motion second to put 651 upon its passage And that is by alderman verhasel born heidelman rescindin resolution number 640708 is amended by alderman hannah dated july 16th 2007 so as to promptly restart negotiations with the county of shabuagan with the intention of combining our emergency dispatch Slash communication centers. There's a motion in second and now we have discussion alderman vice president born Thank you ronner. I would just also suggest uh To all over alderman verhasel that this be uh Referred to the city county shared services committee on june 25th And also if it passes to be referred to the county law committee I'd offer that as an amendment President hannah, I just I think you might want to offer those amendments for 666 651 is just real instead of well still uh The motion is to put the resolution upon its passage if if it's passed doesn't need to be forwarded It can be put in the agenda later on if you'd like that See Do you know what's trying to do if If you'd like to have it referred upon adoption I think it probably would be appropriate to have a if for the result of city clerk forward copy to whichever committees of this That's pretty far Take care of it. So if we if this passes then that's the time to make just to make an amendment or it right now Just automatically right now right now if it passes i'll i'll uh, no no make a motion to amend the resolution I'll make a motion to amend And send it to the city county shared services committee on june 25th and the county law committee And that should be another further be it for the result Okay, thank you. Thank you your honor. Yes. Thank you. Welcome under discussion on the amendment only anything Okay, there was a motion to second to amend and the amendment is that another now therefore be it further resolved will be added to make that referral Okay Thank you your honor. Uh, just a point of clarification We're voting to amend to send what? This is 651 is just a resolution to ditch the previous resolution of july of 2007 There's nothing to refer. I think that amendment is probably more appropriate for item 6 6 6 No pun intended on that one Frankly the july of 07 resolution was more 6 6 6 but um, but I think we're not referring. There's nothing to refer Uh, I therefore be it resolved Almond razzle. Yeah, thank you. I guess just from a matter of housekeeping It would probably be wise that they understand that this council has rescinded the document that was Previously put out to them. So just as a matter of housekeeping keeping Communication clear. I think it would be wise to send it on both documents To the june 25th meeting Which which both document are you talking by 6 6 6? 651 and 6 6 6 You want to refer those back 6 6 I believe the motion on the table is to refer 651 to the city county shared services committee, right? And I'm just no no no to the uh Right Right Does everybody get that? Okay, and there was a motion in a second any more discussion on just the amendment Almond kenneth Thank you mayor. Could you I need to clarify that one more time we're rescinding Resolution 651 What are can I need to have explain again? I'm sorry What are we doing here? Let me just quickly the the motion is to rescind what's going to be What's going to be referred as the the the uh The operative Therefore be it resolved that says to promptly restart negotiations. Okay, that's part of it Turn between I'm just going to indicate the The resolution that's document 651 was put on for passage an amendment has been made to add Be it further resolved That would direct the city clerk to forward this to the city county shared services committee And there might have been a mention of one other committee Uh, so What's before you right now? Is that amendment to amend this resolution? Okay Hold my place Thank you, mr. Chairman and the resolution that we're having to clarify for the question from all of them kittleson is The resolution is to rescind a previous resolution So we're rescinding the one from back in 2007 by passing this one at the same time though Forwarding a copy on to the county shared services telling them That we've presented the previous document that's sitting on their desk as well for 661 They'll start just there 661 will take 666 651 excuse me and take 666 later just to avoid confusion I think everybody understand what we're doing On the amendment only only in favor say aye any opposed Motion carries need a motion to put the resolution upon its passage as amended Motion to put the resolution upon its passage as amended Motion and second under discussion omegisha Thank you your honor. I I think it's only fair That for those listening tonight and seeing it to actually understand what we're rescinding A copy of the old resolution wasn't contained in the packet and I don't know how many Alderman And citizens remember what this is But this goes back to july of 07 in which there was a a resolution that talked about Pretty much what all the person for households new resolution sets Talked with the county. Let's talk about shared gist edge. Let's talk about cost savings and then at that meeting An amendment was added and all the three alderman voted for this revised document that you're now looking at rescinding tonight that I support rescinding myself And let me just briefly just a small passage of the amendment that caused us. I think the grief this is where I think Uh, should we impress in their editorial in ron on sunday was just dead wrong The joint dispatch was dead on july of 2007 discussions because it reads as follows Now therefore be it resolved that such negotiations be entered into as expeditiously as possible with the understanding Here's the amendment that the intent is that the county pay for the city's building costs and employment to be spread Throughout the entire county. So what we said back in july of 07 as a body all the three individuals I was in florida at the time, but uh, that's good cover, isn't it? I wouldn't have voted for it either We said great. We love the idea of joint dispatch as long as you guys pay for it all have a nice day Um, so if the press would like to understand why it died They need no one look for no further than this document I support us bringing it back into shared dispatch A lot of the figures that have been floating around through public forum having to do with a million dollars for a building That isn't necessarily the case. There's several interesting options that I think the the joint The joint services committee can discuss But there was nothing to discuss until we got rid of that amended resolution of july 2007 So I hope we do vote positively to uh on this resolution to get rid of the old resolution because it's uh, it it caused concern And the inability for the city to do some some planning and for the county to do some planning And it put us right where we are today and that was 12 months of nothing Thank you Thank you Thank you, mr. Mayor So it's a wonderful analysis of the discussion that took place Considering he wasn't here in florida I think I'd like to remind the the all the persons that did vote for that amendment at the time if we call the presentation involved first of all manpower And the plan that was important of us from the shared services involved hiring New supervisors supervisors that need to the county or the city currently have but by blending them together You'd have to hire several supervisors supervisors of that department Uh didn't make much sense to me the fact that if we have so people here doing it so people here doing it combining them together We have to increase our manpower cause that didn't make any sense to me at that point in time um And furthermore it was On the plan it wasn't going to be the county pays for some supervisors the city pays for some supervisors It would be the city needs to pay for the supervisors involved So only half the county taxpayers are paying for those additional positions Well what we offered to them back was okay if if that's truly the way it needs to go Then the county pays for it because we all city residents are county taxpayers That way we are going to have a dispatch paid for by every tax paying citizen In the county shared equally Was the intent of that in addition Their plan came forth for the costs if you recall the police station itself the c taxpayers needed to buy From ourselves the county taxpayers piece of land that the police station is being built on in that way In addition the county came back to us and then stated that's great Let's do joint dispatch in your building, but you have to build it now So it's again we not only did we have to pay for the land from the county as taxpayers Now they wanted us to pay 100 of the construction in our building Um To to move forward with with saving taxpayers money in the long term Once again the county is getting the benefits, but they're not paying it willing to pay anything towards that benefits We also would get benefit as city taxpayers, but We're doing the lion's share of the investing to get that share That there so well. Yes. It's been the stumbling block Why we have not moved forward in the last 12 months I think it's stumbling block that we set it out there to county to come back and say hey Okay, we understand your concerns as taxpayers. This is what we'll counter offer that never happened So I am interested in rescinding this not because I don't think any less of the issue that we need to spread the cost Amongst the largest population as possible because that large population is getting the benefits I don't feel any less about that, but obviously we need to go back to the county and do another presentation another offer So I would like to Support the amendment like to support which we already passed support the rescinding of that previous agreement Um at this point in time so we can move on to 666 and see what else we can Initiate with the county to move forward. Thank you All right, Ryan Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, I also recall the discussion on shared dispatch last year And uh, if I recall when we decided to send this to the county in this fashion Um, it wasn't done with an olive branch. It was done more with a with a stick When we sent it to him and said, okay, you know, we'll agree with shared dispatch. You pay for it At that point. I think it was basically designed to kill shared dispatch I don't see how it could have succeeded any other way um, I To agree That we should resend this I don't think we need to recall last year's discussions Because obviously they were fruitless. They Amounted to nothing So I think we should resend this tonight And we should sit down with the county and get into some real discussion starting from a clean slate. Thank you Any other discussion There being none, please call the roll Moran Boke Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clioness Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Vanderweal Verhaselt And Longamon 15 eyes motion carries All right, Verhaselt. What would you like to do with 666? Your honor I'd request that we put 666 upon this passage Motion and second under discussion Under discussion your honor if I may please Again on this document here It's a lot in the same vein that we've been talking about It's a document that Alderman born and I put together here a few weeks ago again Just trying to get this back on the table. We realize there's a time issue here involved. We've got a new station that's Two-thirds three-fourths constructed so we've got that as a component to consider here But I guess I would plead with the council that even though we are under a time crunch. We're making a decision here today That we're going to have to live with potentially for 30 or 40 years moving forward I think we just acted on the amendment Go ahead. I'm sorry So we're we're working on you know, we're potentially dealing with a decision that we're going to have to live with for some time You know, there's so many reasons we just don't get this many opportunities These big of opportunities that come by our desk We're going to have a lot of small opportunities to share things with the county going forward But we just don't get this many big opportunities One of the reasons cost savings I took some time this afternoon to call a number of other municipalities around the city around the state. I'm sorry That had previously or a currently actually are involved in joint dispatch If everybody looks on their desk, they'll see a document that looks much like this and it's some research That was done here a few years ago That points out. Okay, excuse me Excuse me Right and I guess the other point here is this rc came out of finance and the resolution is being filed This is not for passage. This is an accept and adopt to be filed. Just so you know of that, right? It's uh the problem The motion is to accept and adopt the reporting committee. You said put the resolution upon its passage I don't like to correct alderman because a lot of alderman all sometimes say the wrong thing And I just let it go so it doesn't embarrass anyone Uh, but the proper motion is to accept and adopt the report of committee. Are you okay with that? You said I make a motion to put the resolution No, I don't wish to accept and adopt the report of the committee myself Well, it is a committee report and that's the action we take on the report of committee. It's not a resolution And basically what you'll be doing if you accept and adopt the committee out of the report of committee, you're uh That document Is a dead document. Anyway, file it. That's all it's going to do. You've already Resend it and forward it to the city county sheriff's service and something somewhere else the document That'll keep it alive and keep the discussion going this 6 6 6 Does you know good except file accepting and adopting in which in effect file it? They're correct you Yes, I think the uh could Accept move to accept and adopt it and then if you're Against accepting and adopting it you could vote against that I mean, but the That would be the really the proper motion. Yes, I would defer that motion to someone else But I personally wouldn't make that motion to accept and adopt that decision from the finance committee So I defer that motion to somewhere else on the floor. Sure Alderman Gisha I make a motion. We accept and adopt rc 6 6 6 Under discussion we have vice president born On the uh accepting adopting 6 6 6 sir. Thank you, your honor. Uh, this document is also going To the city county shared services committee So if we file if we accept and adopt the report of committee to file That in essence kills that document if I remember correctly from a ruling that Attorney McLean made earlier this year when these documents go to multiple committees it gets a little, uh Difficult on what you do from the original committee. I would say at a minimum At a minimum we should consider holding it until after the june 25th meeting of the city county shared services committee Because if we file this tonight, it's dead Is that right attorney mclean? attorney mclean I'll be with the old one in a minute if you were to file This proposed resolution 410809 That would that would kill it But on the other hand you have acted on 651 Which is rescinding the prior resolution and And directing that the copy of that go to the city county shared service committee So city county shared service committee would have a document Before them or indication from the council that the We'll want to discuss the issue Hold on hold on. No, not everybody get to talking here. We're going to take people as they're on there I'll vice president born at that answer your question Okay, I'm just gonna I could just say one more thing I would just uh all of them for hassle. I guess it's his pleasure Whether he wants to make that uh motion to accept and adopt Or Possibly just hold it uh so that so that the document doesn't die And it goes on to uh city county shared services on june 25th It's it's his document So I would defer to him on what he wants to do with it But we should do one of two things accept and adopt and if you're not if you don't want to accept it and adopt the report of committee vote No, or The other option ultimate for hassle would be just to hold it Hold the document until after the shared services committee and see what they do with it. Thank you Well, there is a motion right now. There's a motion and a second to put the uh to Accept and adopt the report of committee and that's what we're talking about All in both. Thank you, mr. Mayor Yes, we are there's been a motion and a second to accept and adopt 666 Which would effectively kill 4109 what the good older person from the third district I think needs to do procedurally is resubmit his resolution for our next meeting and put it back into the hopper now that 651 has notified our friends at the county that we've undone that All we've done is tell our friends at the county that we've undone some things we did before We aren't we haven't sent them any notification of what we would intend to do in the future This This isn't as complicated as it appears. I don't think Thank you Well, hold on. Let's go back. This thing lighting up like a christmas tree again There's a motion to accept and adopt 666 Okay, the sentiment is that they will kill that would effectively kill what you just passed and referred Vice president barn is correct. If all them in geisha would like to withdraw the motion And the second and have that held instead. So it just stays there You can always come back and tap and adopt a report of committee anytime later on Please just an inquiry All we would be holding would be the report from finance saying finance wants to file it That wouldn't bring this resolution back that this resolution needs to come back to the office of city clerk as a clean new document, doesn't it If you held The report of committee's document 666 that Is addressing the attached resolution. So the attached resolution would also be part of that and I see what alderman bohran is saying that The joint city county shared service committee is going to be meeting Upcoming here and that is still on their plate to address and they could address that as well as In in light of the fact that 651 Would you like to withdraw your motion all of the geisha Otherwise we're going to take a vote on it You would not like to withdraw the motion. Okay on the motion to accept and adopt 666 go to report committee only Now we've got a lot of lights. I'm going to go through it. Don't start talking about anything else just on the accept and adopt 666 President hannah you're next. Thank you I'm going to vote no because I think it kills this document But I need to ask the city attorney a question As chairperson of the shared services county and city shared services I already have in my mind. I already have enough information to put this topic on my agenda for the 25th I think you're better off with with a document Next we have alderman clayunas I'm taking them in order here. Okay, you're next I guess I just would speak to the fact that I think there's a time element here and that To kill it is going backwards and then we're going to have to bring it back again And there's a time frame that if the police station is going to bring in a communication system And there are there is a build. There's a building being built. It's going to be finished sometime in october We don't want it to be half ready This I think can we worked at very feverishly, but it can be worked at and I I think we have to hold it Hold it and let it be floating around in the committees that it needs to be considered in So that it it does get due due consideration and justice Okay, next we have all of them. We're going to finish Thank you, sir. I speak as a supporter of Additional discussions with the county On shared services and on specifically joint dispatch Having said that then to clarify 666 which is on the floor right now would indeed if if pass the report of committee Will kill the resolution as written by alderman persons were hassled by moron However 651 which we've already acted upon and forwarded on to that committee does say Whereas fair and balanced discussions between our city and county governments could result in a combined communication center That realizes greater efficiencies of service and cost savings amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars spread over all affected taxpayers Just that one whereas alone clarifies to me why i'm going to sport even though I want additional communication why we'll vote To accept an adaptive board of committee and file the resolution 666 Because we've already passed 651 already that language is already out there language has already been sent to that committee The vet is our intention as this council to discuss fair and balanced discussions for combined communication center That's been we've passed that as our will right now So hopefully that clarifies things a little bit of of what to do by voting to accept the reported committee You're not killing joint dispatch. You're actually for it because we've already passed that saying that we are Only gisha next thank you your honor, uh, maybe I could Clarify a little bit more I agree a hundred percent with uh elder person rindflesh There's also another document in our packet here that you'll see and that's the fund Fund communication equipment in the new dispatch center make no mistake. That's what this discussion is about right here Uh regarding this document We have a short timeline to order implement and put in communications equipment in the new police station That has nothing to do with joint dispatch We would still need a backup center somewhere if we kept joint their communication system right where it is now We're going to need to plug in another 200 to 250 thousand dollars just to put it up to Uh mandated levels of e911 service I'm not going to sit here and be responsible for us not having Adequate public safety for a couple hundred thousand dollars difference. That's that's not a fair trade to me I believe most of the uh feelings about not wanting to file this document My opinion is because they want to hold up the funding of equipment We're going to have to buy anyway even no matter where the dispatch is putting it into our new police station We've already spent a hundred thousand dollars on On battery backup. We've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in wiring It keeps it's within the scope of the budget for that equipment The equipment purchase was passed finance you now have a document that says uh that the construction is close City owned emergency dispatch center hold off here guys. Let's hold back a little bit Maybe you might not want to buy this equipment But i'm telling you that one doesn't have anything to do with the other new communication equipment in the police station That is budgeted for set up for prepaid for ready to rock and go needs to be ordered So that we are up and running in a safe efficient manner for the citizens of shabuaga Who expect this service when they dial 911 or call the police station in shabuaga If we have a wonderful backup system As far as these forward shared services discussions and I sit in the shared services committee and I support those discussions That's a great chip for the city of shabuaga to use and leverage in these discussions right now We don't have a an adequate backup. We're the county's backup backup and uh in this and vice versa However, if we take down our dispatch center the county can only do it for like a week They don't feel safe and the uh the communications we receive from public safety officers is that longer than a week And we're out of luck. That's because money needs to be put into these centers again Even if we put it in our current center, we're talking about 200 and 250 thousand dollars ordering this equipment is now going to walmart This is highly specialized equipment and making that handoff that tradeoff going to the new system I don't care what it costs One life. I don't know if many of you have read the recent reports in madison Our lawsuit was just filed this week on a 911 emergency dispatch situation Our cost of two to 300 thousand dollars putting that dispatch center in there Is going to be paled in comparison to the cost of one lawsuit of one loss of life in this city I'm as cheap as as they come But I will substitute dollars for public safety And and I think that's what is underlying in these discussions. So I urge you to file this and let the joints This does not kill it as all the person rindflesh has stated. It's still going to share its services committee I sit in the committee. We're going to talk about it on the 25th. This just separates the two issues One doesn't have anything to do with the other. Thank you We have old man for hassle second time. Thank you, your honor I had uh been curious how long it was going to take before the public safety I guess discussion came up because we're under this proposal that i'm putting out there We would use the city hall as it is currently as it was yesterday as it will be tomorrow We're going to use that for a short period of time Until we can find a joint site. We're not talking anything long term So if we're safe today with the outfit that we have Why wouldn't we be safe in october and november and december for three additional months or whatever period of time it would take I you know, I said the public safety card gets played quite a bit I think we have a very highly paid highly skilled group of people In our police department and i'm sure as well At the sheriff's department that could seamlessly transition us through that short Short period of time. We're making a decision here that we may have to live with for 30 or 40 years We're going to rush it because of some concerns that were you know the public safety concerns I don't see it because I said we have the equipment there today. It'll be there at the same time You know come this fall as we're transitioning You know a number of communities again seven out of nine communities our size Do it and I've talked to a number of them today. It is absolutely no issue with them. It really is not Cost savings galore. I mean maybe galore is a strong word for it But they're seeing cost savings that do see payback not one of them would go back in time and revert back to their isolated units They like the efficiencies and the cost savings that they capture by having everybody under one roof An interesting point as well that was brought up that I'm not sure a lot of alderman were aware of is And it was brought to my attention by the manager at the communication center in rock county is that because They're a joint facility There's certain incentives and grants that are in place just for those types of operations Not like a city run or a county run separate unit The state has incentives in place and grants in place and they qualify just this last week for a million dollar Grant that they're using towards some radio equipment and so on Again, that's for the greater good of rock county Again, we're talking three months versus 35 years I'm just asking the council to give us 45 days If we get to the end of july and there's absolutely no No shimmer of light with the county if they're not coming to the table or giving any indication That they want to come to the table I'd be happy at that point at the end of july to say, okay, let's move on the way we were intended But i'm just asking the count the council right here today For 45 days to discuss this with the county have a few fruitful discussions and see where it goes Thank you Alderman bowton xr. Thank you. Your honor. I'd just like clarification on given alderman reinfleisch is whereas which I appreciate him pointing out Does that give president hannah what you need sir to uh To put it on your agenda Does this document required in order for your committee to talk about this topic? And that would that would help me with my vote. Thank you president hannah Thank you. It's my understanding that with the passage of of 651 I have adequate information to put this topic on the Shared services agenda Yes, please And then could I get some clarification? I'm hearing a couple of different stories with regard to Even if we went to a shared service facility, however, that would shake out Would the city still need its radio room that we are proposing buying for I heard alderman Gischa say that we would need that equipment as a backup for that facility anyway So if we're going to need that anyway, uh Why slow it down? But alderman verhasel appears to think that we wouldn't need that equipment So if I could get some clarification perhaps the the acting chief or whoever's here and the chief's dead tonight Just look for an answer on that. Okay Would you like to address the council deputy chief? Deputy chief is not a department head on any motion to open the floor Second all in favor Deputy chief take the podium sir Answered a alderman books question That would be correct that we would still we would still need that as an alternate as an alternate site If you had specific questions and it was and the council gave permission I have with me, uh, rush triner that can pretty much give chapter and verse of any of the information that we really Want or or need regarding this communication system He'd be he'd be more than willing to to discuss it with you tonight I think did that answer your question though? It satisfies me if we need the credibility of his guests to make everybody else feel good. I'm okay with that But that satisfies me. Thank you. That's fine. Thank you Okay, we've got, uh All condition next Thank you your honor just to clarify a couple things. I'm seeing we're doing a lot of clarifying tonight um public safety is not politics to me and I have an issue with With that Melting those two things together Um, it was brought up. Well, what's the difference? They've been sitting down there for 30 years now They can be sitting down there for another month. Well, the difference is the rest of the department is moving to the north side of shabuigan There's no supervisor through the glass to come in and help or other office people to come in and help You can talk to all the counties you want I suggest you talk to the police department or sit down at their last management meeting, which I did alderman born did We went to that management meeting which was organizing this the new police station. We asked the question Is it safe? They said no So guess where the idea came from? Uh, why don't you just leave it right there? And we'll just remote it for a while until we can figure out what we can do it That was my idea and I said, you know what? It's a stupid idea It's a stupid idea And it was my idea when I when I talked to the people who actually do it and asked them if it's safe and they said it's no it's not going to be safe and And I don't know I could kind of take their word over some alderman's lean brain idea So if you think it's a good idea to separate it, it was my idea and it was a dumb one Thank you One more we have my president born Thank you, your honor There's so many things to discuss when this goes to the city county shared service committee And one of the one of the things that may be discussed Is to leave the backup right where it is now in city hall If they decide to build a thousand square foot addition on to the on to the courthouse That's going to be primary dispatch And the city county's shared services committee could decide as an option to leave the backup right where it is now And therefore I think it's premature To be making any decisions on spending almost six hundred thousand dollars on equipment for the new police department When it may end up the backup may end up right downstairs where it is now So That that's an item right now We're putting the we're putting the cart before the horse because we haven't had any new discussions with the county as to where It's even possible that we may have to build a thousand square feet on the police station As the primary dispatch center if that's what the city and the county decide should be done Or build a thousand square feet on the county The backup is going to be somewhere and it could be right downstairs where it is now So it's it's premature to be spending all of this money and as far as what happened in madison There was an article in the journal sentinel yesterday That the dispatcher down there knew the protocol that if a nine if a cell phone call was dropped or lost It was her job to call back that number and she did not do it The protocols were were there. She did not follow directions and that's why they're getting sued and I doubt very much With the experienced dispatchers that we have you're working for the city With many of them over 20 years of experience that that whatever happened in sheboygan with or without direct supervision Uh, alman, ryan, thank you, mr. Mayor um This has gone in many circles here, but my my question is we we have a police station That we're in the process of building right now My my question is and I don't know who can answer this perhaps alderman geisha Um, how much money do we have invested in our dispatch? at the new police station to this point with battery backup systems wiring Uh equipment that we've already prepaid and have on order Um, what is what is that figure? Do we know what that is? Is that a hundred thousand dollars two hundred three hundred thousand dollars? and That that is really what will help me make my decision today if we have Almost nothing invested in it that we could possibly Put a hold on it That's one thing if we already have several hundred thousand dollars into this an infrastructure and now we're going to Stop the cart so to speak it doesn't make any sense So I'd like to know what that number is. How far are we on the present dispatch room? We can't I can't give you any specific numbers on one ryan, but but you're right It's several hundred thousand dollars Alderman geisha in response. Thank you. There was one hundred thousand dollars invested in batteries alone There's fifty thousand dollars in wiring not including the fiber optic costs of running all that data cables up to the new police station And if we want to talk about construction costs Doubling the size of the current dispatch said it would cost one million dollars Which means we've already invested one million out of the nine million dollar costs in the room for the dispatch The building has been ergonomically designed So the dispatch was an integral part of supervision and that the two would be working together What we would be doing is ripping apart the entire plan for about a million dollars with the cost We've already written checks out for so if you want a roundabout figure 1.2 million dollars Alderman Perhaps all this is third time and really there's a reason for that rule being in place two people otherwise What we're talking about is a great discussion but it's logistics and it's committee discussions It's not common council discussion. I mean, we're getting into a little bitty details about what if how much where who to and all that kind of stuff That belongs in committee now Alderman geisha is correct When the thought came up that perhaps we could share dispatch or communication centers I talked to bill bulky and said cost it out for me and it wasn't that much of an addition The numbers came around one million dollars I could not support that because first of all we didn't have the one million dollar additional money And it was going to throw back our construction date Now folks, we've got september We got about two and a half about three months to go and people police department is going to move over there everyone Right now although all of you have are well intent Well motivated and committed now is not the time to stop everything and start talking again about of shared communication center Two questions. I've always asked no one has still yet to answer Basic fundamental questions that no one can answer and I've been to several meetings I wasn't all over for four years and nobody could answer yet First question is do you want to share a communication center? Everybody dances around the issue Second question is if you do if you don't we're done If you say yes, where? city or county No one has answered that everybody dances around the issue all the time I make decisions by consulting with the department heads I'm a big supporter of shared services, but I'm also a realist And I'm also one that likes to include people that are going to be impacted by that I would not move in this direction without talking to chief clerk deputy chief sherbin and russ schreiner These are the people that are professional people that know exactly what's going on and where we should go if we need to go any direction at all My point is it's a little bit late in the game It's a little bit late in the game to start talking and rejuvenating Ancient what I recall ancient talks about shirts are shared communications This topic is not new It's been a political slogan and it's been political appeasement We need to take it beyond a political slogan and we need to take it beyond political appeasement There has to be shared services shared cause has to be a commitment we make to the taxpayer Not to political groups and special interest groups Now is not the time To halt the construction the completion of that beautiful needed police department September the first or second week of September is when we're scheduled to complete it and move in It's almost done To even try it now It's going to cost a lot of disruption I would urge you to vote to accept and adopt For 666 we've got a few more and The people have talked to two times you've talked three times Okay, you told me I didn't get a chance yet. Okay Okay, we just can't keep going a lot of this is logistics again And I I mean just that permit me all of them a hassle Although I know that it's best for a committee to work with a document It is not entirely necessary. Okay. All of them. All of them Hannah says that he's got enough information You can put it back on the agenda start talking if you want to And if it makes sense and if somebody can pull it through in the next few months hey more power But for now We need to do this all over hassle. Thank you, your honor I think you summed it up in your very first sentence You talked about the nitty-pitty nitty picky details that everybody's getting caught up in and that's where I was sitting here The last five or ten minutes thinking the same thing is it's it moves us all the step back for just a minute And kind of distill the information down back to the kind of the basic framework Which we should operate under and with that I would say How can we honestly and truthfully sit down with the county next week wednesday having just sent a message even though Yeah, we have 651 there as a as a vehicle be it a small vehicle How can we sit down on the heels of the fact that this council just turned down a document that's asking To come back to the table. How you know, so let's just distill it down to that You know I deal with a lot of large companies a large negotiations and if you're sending mix Mixed signals like that. It's not going to be very fruitful And that's really what we have. I think how we should approach this is we need to be sending all the right messages Alderman Gisha Mentioned that the document that was put out last july set a horrible tone This would set a horrible tone as well. I think we just need to support Both documents send them on to the county and get the discussion going We need to there's everybody here realizes that there is some ill will between the city and the county a lot of it goes back Years and years and years For no good reason maybe some for good reason But I think it's this council's obligation today to step up and be the leaders that We were elected to be why do we defer to department heads so often? I mean if that's the case Why are the 16 of us elected if we're going to defer to department heads for such major decisions? We need to have them involved don't get me wrong We need to have them involved and right in the middle of the discussion But we can't defer on such major decisions solely to their opinion That's my opinion I would like to ask Alderman Gisha to withdraw his support or withdraw his motion and support your services here As far as the investment that we have in our current police station I just can't see as alderman bulk was pointing out If we put this new equipment 600 nearly 600 thousand dollars of shiny new equipment We're going to put in their councils and so on Then to step back in six months and potentially put that on ice as a backup I can't justify that to my taxpayers that we're going to invest in this grand setup only to put it on ice Most municipalities again, and I refer to the document that I've talked to all of these I've talked to the individuals leading these groups. They've taken for an instance They would take the county shaboy in county councils or the city or combine and move them to a backup They use the old equipment rather investing new equipment So as far as investment in our existing police station I don't think it would be a loss because we could use it as a backup But we would use our existing older consoles to take care of it Again, I think we need leadership both from you mayor Perez From the from the leader of the county we need leadership from this council to step up right now now is the time Because this is a decision. We're going to live with for a long time. Thanks Thank you in response to that. I am Trying to provide as much leadership and direction as I possibly can I explain to you exactly how I felt By flight by accepting and adopting and in fact filing 6 6 6 The only message that you're sending is that you're asking the county We're no longer going to consider you paying for everything Basically, but the message is going to be when all president hannah puts the item on the agenda The message is going to be we don't want you to pay for everything We're going to look at it differently if we need to and if there's a possibility ever Accomplishing what we hope to accomplish. That's the message Let's not try to bury or misinterpret what the real message is as far as ill will folks I say to the public and I say to you council There is no ill will between county and the city We disagree on some issues all of us have our will intent We want the best they want the best for the county. We want the best for the city 32 34 county supervisors are not ill-willed against us 16 of them represent us the city In the county board there may be one or two Who don't like us But it's not the county to say that county and the city are at it like cats and dogs is not accurate And it puts out forth the wrong perception I know I have no ill will I can start point probably all 16 of you You have no ill will towards the county We just care so much about city We have to look out for the city's interest and the best way we can Jealousy guard what we have aggressively pursue The protection of our services that we're able to provide them to the to the public That's all we do folks. That's all we care about. I believe that in my heart. That's how I run the city And I think that's what we're trying to accomplish tonight We've got two more lights going on And then I'd like to take the vote on 6 6 6 to accept and adopt almond Ryan second time third time Thank you again, mr. Mayor As much as I hate to agree with you on issues. I have to agree with you on this It's okay You know, we already have a lot of money invested In our dispatch center at the police department. The equipment is on order The job is half done And just because we go forward with this and set up the dispatch center Does not mean that shared services and dispatch is dead if this is brand new shiny equipment I am sure that this equipment could work as in a shared dispatch situation Just as well as it can act as the as the primary setup for the city I mean if we get into shared dispatch, does it necessarily mean That shared dispatch is going to be at the county courthouse with the sheriff's department Not necessarily shared dispatch could be the primary center at the new police station adding on to our new and shiny equipment that we're going to purchase So I mean I I have to support moving forward with this With the caveat that shared services on joint dispatch is not dead Uh, however, I don't I don't believe at this point in the in the construction of the police department Uh, we can just uh put them into it. Thank you one more and I'm calling the vote. I'll let them in Thank you, mr. Chairman. Uh, mr. Mayor. This is the second time on this issue. I did speak once on 651 to clarify So it's my third time but going on this issue um I guess topicality was it was an issue here in our debates recently on the last 10 15 minutes A topicality uh because the issue at hand is 666 are we accepting and adopting the report of the committee Which is the question at hand and filing the resolution that's attached Uh, as written by verhassell and vorn The reason why I will support that is because simply that discussion we have a document It's not even an issue on a gen item. We do have a document 651 that will go to The county shared service committee asking for fair and balanced discussions Topicality comes in because we've talked about costs. We've talked about the police station That's going to be under 669 a to say but we probably need to pay back up again under 669 I believe 669 that that's the agenda item Coming up yet that actually implements the money being spent on that So I urge you to think about, you know, the question at hand is Do we still want to move forward shared services for me? Yes, I do And by I'm showing how much I want to because I'm I'm actually the author of the Amendment that killed things lost 12 months apparently So I still want to pursue shared services by doing so by You know, we've already acted on 651 and right now accepting adopting reporter committee and following that resolution Under 669 as it comes up and we deal with the topicality that we've already discussed and already debated Regarding the cost of that For my standpoint, I can certainly see approaching the county saying we have the latest and greatest technology now That should be more than welcome to share with us There will be costs involved in doing so What is your offer for that? Instead of them having to buy at some point and we're talking about 35 40 years at some point the county will have to buy a new technology We have the newest technology already It'll be a whole lot more inexpensive for me as a county taxpayer as well For them to use the city equipment and help pay for the upgrades at that point in time and use the older equipment as backup So I still see how we can do both under shared services. So I urge you to go forward. Thank you Oh my goodness. I was going to call the vote, but I call the question. Okay. There's there's no need to Usually calling the question is a motion that we take a vote. We don't need to do that, right? We're going to call the vote Madam city clerk Oh, thank you, your honor. I was just going to suggest I thought all the person client is just going to do that The pay perhaps after this we could bring 669 forward while our minds are still on the Vote out of the way as well Almond Ryan it has nothing to do with this subject. Mr. Mayor after we are finished with 669 I would like to call forward 542 Just keep keep that in mind so I can if I if I may if you thank you. Thank you Please call the roll Hold on the motion is to accept and adopt 6 6 6 my finance recommended filing resolution authorized in the city of shabuagan to initiate a shared services study with the shabuagan county government For the purposes of determining the most cost-effective efficient location for a joint emergency dispatch The motion is to accept and adopt a yes vote will accept and adopt a no will not please call the roll bulk Decker Yesha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemay or Rindflash Ryan Vanderweal Verhaselt Wongamon and boron 12 eyes 3 nils Motion carries. Uh, just right bear with me. We did take uh, 651 as amended Okay, now somebody wanted to bring forward 6 6 9 Who does? Aldermen Gisha move that the Rekord of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon staffs Motion in second and 6 6 9 by finance recommended authorizing waiving the competitive bidding process And intern into contracts for police facility communication radio and telephone equipment. There is a motion in second under discussion Thank you for clarification on the waiving of competitive bidding process. It's kind of like waiving the rules and I and uh and it requires some explanation and that is that the uh The equipment is somewhat proprietary a lot of the equipment where we would be buying through the State buying pool much like we buy a lot of the other stuff that we get like we bought the furniture and things like that The uh, the equipment has been actually paired down some to begin with But uh, all uh efforts were made to use the competitive uh bidding process and buying process through the state of wisconsin therefore Uh mitigating the need for competitive bids All right. Thank you Vice president borne Thank you, your honor I'm going to make a motion to approve up to approve Spending up to $60,000 for telephone equipment and to hold the $583,000 for radio equipment Until a decision has been made on combined dispatch Or until august 1st 2008 Okay, and that you would like to make a motion to amend amend There's a motion in second to amend the numbers as read Under discussion on the amendment Please call the roll in the amendment Decker Gisha no Hannah no height a man Kittleson no Clowness no Meyer no Montemay or no Rindflige no Ryan Vanderweel Verhaselt Wongamon Boran Aye Bauch Five eyes ten noes Motion to amend fails 6 69 motions are accepting a dob being newly made Please call roll Oh, sorry over hassle Under discussion I've been meaning to ask this for some time Maybe then we do have a a requirement to have a bit process and we're constantly waiting it Why do we have the bit process if we have a scenario over which that our hands are tied and we're limited to a certain supplier? Could somebody explain that to me? I want to get sure you're aware of that Well, I I can do it. Oh my gosh The the bidding process That is to keep things fair, okay, but there comes times Just like we do sometimes to spend the rules to do other things because of time issues There's all I'm going to get you state earlier There is a time issue at stake here right now and it's important that the the council Way the competitive bidding process because of that additionally a lot of the work in terms of getting and securing The best price for the equipment that we need has already been done administratively by by several people in the police department The is department So a lot of that work has already been done If we were not to weigh that and we weren't out and got competitive bids You'd come back with the same information. They already have secured administratively Oh, yes, sir Thank you, Ryan If I could also add that the competitive bidding process isn't exactly being thrown out the window The state has actually superseded us in that process. The state has already vetted these suppliers have already If you were a forward motor company supply you could call a tier one provider You've already been squared away and trustworthy etc etc etc So the state has done some of the work for us which takes expense off the taxpayers of the city's point. Good additional point Old man run flesh. Thank you, mr. Mayor And be aware that most of what we do spend it does go through a competitive process by two minutes resurfacing Sidewalks fleet purchases ambulances Most things that the city does do does go through the competitive bidding process You know only those occasions as alderman. He should had say that the state actually Does it honor does it work on our behalf? Do we need to waive it otherwise? There is that process that we do follow for vast majority of the purchases that we do Alderman we're hassled second time Can I ask just for future for the future then if we do have this information that you're stating that Whether it's the deputy chiefs or whoever is working on this and has collected this could I ask that that's submitted then to the council? True good Just to maintain the transparency around the situation Can also ask a question is how would and I and I guess I refer this off to alderman geisha being chair of finance and And being proponent of this resolution is how would this unfold if we spend 600 thousand dollars on New consoles put them into our new police station in the light of the discussion. We've been having for the last Quite an hour and a half How would this unfold where would the equipment go in the scenario where we had a We did come to terms with the county and worked out a shared dispatch with the equipment stay there Where would it go? Thank you. I'll answer the best I can first of all We aren't buying 583 thousand dollars worth of equipment just for the new police station We would have to spend roughly two to 250 thousand dollars whether we're building the new police station or not. So And I don't I'm not going to profess to usurp the The negotiations and the and the good works that the shared services committee should enter into and do this I think this would be a wonderful leverage piece as alderperson rindflesh suggested to have a high quality backup. I've also checked With the With russ and with the chief and the deputy chief the the equipment is fairly universal It could be used with other projects as a backup system if if lightning strikes and we build a new Joint dispatch center across the street. Will that communication equipment talk to that communication equipment? Yes That would be the case as well So somewhere in the process of joint dispatch a quality backup communication center would have to be addressed and who paid for it We need one now anyway We would have a fairly high tech system in the pd now Which would be a wonderful bargaining leverage chip In the negotiation processes with shared services. Thank you Okay, the motion is to accept and adopt 669. Please call roll Gisha hi Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemay or rindflesh Ryan Vanderwheel Verhaselt no Wangaman no Warren no Bauch hi Decker 11 eyes four nos Motion carries Going back to consent agenda Item six what six dash ones is 627 Vice president Warren After alderman hannah, okay I had originally stood up to move forward RC 626 At the request of all the person Meyer And I would still like to 626 was that correct? And I'd still like that pulled forward before we do the consent agenda 626 On the consent agenda. Yes Do you want to do you want to address 626? Yes, all the person Meyer would like to address and You're pulling it out for a separate voter discussion clarification clarification, okay Thank you your honor, um, I would Like to make a motion to amend the resolution Sorry, I need to put it upon its passage first To accept and adopt the reporter committee and then make the amendment So moved Second Motion second to accept and adopt now you need a motion to amend Under discussion Um, no make a motion to amend it as you're going to present I so move okay Under discussion To um To amend it under discussion to amend This resolution is not reflective of the two agreements It's only reflecting the one so I would like to change the resolution some of the wording Please do Under a resolution executing strike a bicycle rack placement agreements Between shabuigan county the city of shabuigan and third parties Under the resolved That the appropriate city officials are hereby authorized to execute strike the bicycle rack placement agreements between shabuigan county and the city of shabuigan Also strike and third parties Change that to between the shabuigan county The city of shabuigan and third parties Inform substantially Similar to the agreements attached here, too Oh, yes, would you repeat that? Attorney acclaim has it okay There's a motion to amend as read it's been recorded or will be recorded and there's a second Discussion on the amendment only Attorney McLean. Thank you, your honor. This was at my request just it's a clarifying amendment the The resolution as it came in talked about Executing an agreement, but what was attached when it was when it came in was two separate agreements Both from the county both dealing with bike racks But one is a form that is between the county and the city for bike racks that the city will be on city property Then there's a separate agreement that Is for bike racks that would be placed on private property and those agreements would be between the county The city and the third party private entity. So This amendment clarifies that you'd be passing Approving both of those forms of agreement Okay, only amendment only All in favor say aye Any opposed ocean carries Passes amended Okay 626 Any discussion there is none, please call roll Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Cleanness Meyer Montemay or Rin Flesh Ryan Vanderwheel for Hassel Wongerman Warren Bauch Decker and Gisha 15 ayes Motion carries right All in Ryan Thank you, mr. Mayor. I uh motion to pull forward resolution Number 5-42 resolution 40-08-09 5-42 is on page 12 your last page And that is resolution number 40-08-09 by Oldman Gisha Hannah Kittleson Rin Flesh and Ryan granting jail french Corporation an extension of time in which to break ground for manufacturing and or warehouse facilities On certain land in the shaboyan business center Mr. Tim Kellner has been patiently sitting here waiting for us to act on this And we're about to take care of it So uh Oldman Ryan would you like to make a motion? Yes, uh, mr. Mayor. I motion that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion is second to put 542 upon its passage under discussion There being none, please call the roll Heidemann Kittleson Cleanness Meyer Montemay or Rin Flesh Ryan Suric I'm sorry It's getting late Vanderwheel for Hassel Wongerman Boran Hi Bulk Decker Hi Gisha Hi And Hannah Hi 15 ayes Motion carries Thank you very much Consent agenda 6.27 6.1 to 6.27 Vice President Boran Thank you, Your Honor I would like to make a motion to hold document number 6.3 This is also this document went to the planning commission last week And it's also was referred to the committee of the whole And after attending the city plan committee, uh, they Voted to file this document. However, I believe Paul Edenders and mr. Sokolowski are going to be researching this issue further on Should sheboygan be doing anything about? Possibly doing any raising fees for big box stores that that would leave sheboygan and I'd have had it referred to Uh The uh Committee of the whole also And I was going to ask I haven't had a chance to talk to alderman balk about this But at that meeting Possibly if Paul Edenders and mr. Sokolowski have done their research and could add anything to the discussion At the committee of the whole I would like this document held until then because if we file it tonight again We run into that situation where it's a dead document. So I'd like to hold it until it goes to the committee of the whole There was a motion you made then yes, there was a second to hold 6 3 Any further discussion on that All in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries 6 3 hell now we will deal 6 1 6 27 with With the exception of those items we've dealt president ham Well it's down to a very short list mr. Mayor I would move that all ro's be accepted and placed on file and all remaining rc's be accepted and adopted Of what it was left Motion and second under discussion There'd be a non-police call roll kittleson Clioness meyer montemayor rin flash ryan vanderwheel for hasselt wongamon boran balk decker geisha hannah Heinemann 15 a motion carries communications and petitions 6 28 and 6 29 to be referred the port of officers 2 6 30 by the board of parks and forestry commission Recommend in filing documents submitting the report by the town of wilson Regarding a proposed joint community dog park on the former town of wilson landfill and recommending a favorable decision from the committee Alderman meyer Thank you ronner. I move that the ro be accepted and placed on file Motion second to uh accepting placed on file 6 30 under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. Aye any opposed Motion carries 6 31 Eyes over To be referred 6 32 through 6 48 will be referred please note on 6 37 Uh that a document will go to public works also Not just public protection and safety It will go to public works also Alderman balk Thank you, mr. Mayer and uh item 6 35 the committee of the whole already has had referred to it Another citizen input on banning cell phones. So if we want to send 6 35 to the committee of the whole We can tackle both of them at the same time. Thanks. 35 ppns and committee of the whole Please make that notation Thank you. Alderman balk resolutions introduced 3 by alderman borne authorized in the city attorney to engage The services of special outside legal counsel to represent the law and licensing committee and the common counsel in various quasi judicial hearings Vice president borne Thank you ronner. Uh, I asked for suspension of the rules on this one. Is there any objection to suspension of the rules? Please proceed. Uh, thank you ronner Uh, just uh, the reason why we have to hire outside counsel uh on these matters with law and licensing is that deputy city attorney Charles adams asks acts as the prosecutor in these cases So the committee has to have outside counsel representing the committee Uh and the interests of the citizens in these quasi quasi-digital hearings And we have at least one coming up next tuesday that i'm aware of And we may be having more coming up in the future. We've also had to consult with Attorney valkner on a couple of preceding cases. So in order so that to uh, Expedite him getting paid for his uh outside legal counsels That's the reason i'm asking for suspension. I need a motion though Motion, uh, I think I already made the motion to put the resolution upon its passage and their second Second Motion the second to put six four nine upon its passage any further discussion There being on please call the roll clonus Meyer montemayor Ryan vander wheel for hassled wangeman boran valk decker geisha hannah heidemann and kiddison 15 eyes motion carries 650 by alderman mire informing the wisconsin dnr that the attack Compliance maintenance annual report has been reviewed alderman mire. Thank you honor if there are no objections I would like to make a motion to suspend the rules and put the resolution upon its passage Hold on hold on. Is there any objection to suspending the rules alderman mire will explain There is no objection now you've made a motion to put the resolution upon its passage explain their suspension part of it This is a time issue. Um, this report needs to be filed with the wisconsin department of natural resources by june 30th Okay, thank you very much. Was there a second to add a motion to put it second? Any further discussion omen or inflation? No discussion just a clarification on these Kerr geisha hi hannah Heidemann kiddison and clonus 15 eyes motion carries 652 through 655 lies over 656 and 57 to be referred Report of committee six six fifty eight by law and licensing Recommending denying class a intoxicating liquor license number 25 55 Based on the applicant's failure to cooperate with the committee and the applicant's failure To provide a business plan or demonstrate knowledge of alcohol laws and policies as president borne Thank you, honor. I move that the report of committee. We put upon its passage Second Motion in second under discussion under discussion is mr. Lee here tonight from liquor's best He's not here your honor very well, please proceed Uh, mr. Lee appeared before our committee once however did not appear at the last committee And he was instructed to appear at the last committee with a business plan and a definite location for his business He failed to do so. So we uh Voted uh to deny the class a intoxicating liquor license Thank you, mr. President borne any further discussion There is none. Please call the roll montemayor Rindflash ryan Vander wheel for hassles wangeman boran bulk decker geisha hannah Heidemann kiddison clonus and mire 15 eyes Motion carries 659 to be referred Report of committee 7 660 by law and licensing Recommendant granting the renewal of the class b liquor license number 22 72 held by pj's party zone incorporated Subject to the provisions of the attached stipulation Vice president borne. Thank you, honor. I move that the uh report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion in second under discussion Under discussion on this one, uh your honor, uh, we decided to go ahead and uh grant this licensed however Mr. Groob from pj's party zone has agreed to a stipulation That his uh license will be suspended for 60 60 consecutive business days Somewhere between june 10th of 2008 in june 11th, uh, I'm sorry august 11th of 2008 Uh, so, uh That's that's why we granted the license, but he also is uh subject to the to the stipulations of the agreement Very well. Thank you Any further discussion on 660 There is none. Please call the roll Rindflash Excuse me ryan Vander wheel for hasselt wangeman boran bulk decker geisha hannah Heidemann kittleson clioness meyer and montemayor 15 eyes motion carries 661 by law and licensing recommending the renewal of the class b fermented malt beverage license In class c wine license number 24 29 held by yolas cantina Incorporated subject to the provisions of the attached stipulation Mr. President borne thank you, honor I move that the uh report of committee be accepted and adopted Second motion and second under discussion under discussion again, uh Miss torres appeared at our last meeting it was scheduled for a quasi judicial hearing However, it was stipulated with her attorney that uh, she was she's going to surrender her license for 30 consecutive business days between june 10th 2008 and july 10th 2008 Thank you, mr. President borne any further discussion You're being non. Please call the roll ryan vander wheel for hassle wangeman boran bulk decker geisha hannah Heidemann kittleson clioness meyer montemayor and rindflash 15 eyes motion carries 662 by the committee of the whole Recommend in the council support resolution number 390809 authorizing the appropriate city officials To enter into a letter of understanding with the bargaining units for voluntary participation In the virgin health miles program, which will be acted on later in this agenda under matters laid over Okay It just sounds a little funny Uh, omen bauk if you would do, uh, 662 and 540. Thank you, mr. Mr. Mayor I uh moved that the uh rc be accepted and adopted and the attach resolution be put upon its passage Motion in second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll on 662 and 540. Okay, hold on just a second Vander wheel for hassled wangeman boran bulk decker geisha hannah heidemann kittleson clioness meyer montemayor rindflash and ryan 15 eyes motion carries 663 by law and licensing Recommend in grant in claspy liquor license number 2521 for milk and a warning and notice that the renewal is being granted subject to any action that may be taken as a result of the upcoming quasi-judicial hearing Vice president borne Thank you, honor. I moved that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion in second under discussion Under discussion the gentleman from milk appeared at our last committee meeting and has agreed to do a voluntary surrender of his license I believe 10 days Uh, originally it was seven, but now it's 10 because he didn't meet the 30 day limit But there's still a possibility of a quasi-judicial hearing on this one if he does not suspend if he does not Surrender his license very much Any further discussion on 663 663? There is none. Please call the roll for hassled longman borne bulk decker gisha hannah heidemann kittleson clioness meyer montemayor rindflash ryan and vander wheel 15 eyes Motion carries 664 by law and licensing recommend and tonight recommending granting class b liquor license Number 2228 for kev and blondie's blue phoenix With a warning and notice that the renewal is being granted subject to any action That may be taken as a result of the upcoming quasi-judicial hearing Vice president borne Thank you, honor. I moved that the report of the committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion under discussion. This is the one earlier that We're we're going to need outside council on this is scheduled for a quasi-judicial hearing on Tuesday night very well Thank you. Any further discussion? There being none, please call the roll longman borne bulk decker gisha hannah heidemann kittleson clioness meyer montemayor rindflash ryan vander wheel and verhassell 15 eyes Motion carries and we got one more for vice president borne 665 by law and licensing recommend and denying beverage operators license number 7894 based on the applicant's failure to reveal all convictions Status as a repeat by law violator and record of violations related to the licensed activity Vice president borne Thank you, your honor. I moved that the report of the committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion under discussion is uh joshua crook here tonight It's not here your honor very well. Thank you. Please proceed. Uh, mr crook Appeared before our committee last tuesday night and uh, we were most concerned about his record of violations Related to the license activity and it was a unanimous decision by the committee not to grant the license Thank you. You need further discussion There being none, please call the roll borne bauk decker gisha hannah heidemann kittleson clioness meyer montemayor rindflash ryan vander wheel verhassell and wongerman 15 eyes Motion carries 666 have been dealt with the report of committees eight 667 by finance recommend and authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget For establishing appropriation for the chamber of commerce membership dues Onigisha Thank you your your honor. I moved that the uh report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion uh your honor there's uh The membership fees for the shaboykin county chamber of commerce the money coming out of tourism I'm not sure tourism is real pleased about it, but it's the right thing to do It's appropriate that's where it should come the uh I meant pleased that the money was coming out of their budget. Oh, please. Okay, okay Chamber of commerce. Okay, 667 uh authorizing the transfer of appropriation any further discussion There being none, please call the roll bauk decker gisha hannah heidemann kittleson clioness Meyer montemayor rindflash ryan vanderwheel for hassel wangaman and boron 14 eyes 1-0 motion carries 668 by finance recommend and authorizing waiving the competitive bidding process and enter Into contract for police portable radios. All in gisha Thank you your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted And the resolution be put upon its passage motion in second any discussion Thank you. The these radios were approved through the capital improvement process The funds come out of our capital approved bonding. We just bonded for three million dollars The reason for waiving the competitive bidding process is because Again, we have some state buying issues and they're basically motorola of a specific model that matches up with what we currently have Very good. Thank you. Let me get you any further discussion Vice president boron Thank you, your honor. It's my understanding from the finance committee meeting that Buying these radios for the for the police department is going to make much life easy much Life much easier for the officers Which i'm totally in favor of and i believe they're each going to have their own individual radio and charging system Which is going to be an upgrade over the system that they're using now So i think it's a very good idea that we go ahead with this Thank you any further discussion There is none. Please call the roll Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clioness Meyer Montemayor Rinfleisch Ryan Vanderwheel for Hassel Longerman Borne and Belk 14 eyes one no motion carries 669 has been dealt with 670 by finance recommend and authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget for establishing appropriation for temporary code enforcement um individual Omegisha, thank you. Your honor was a busy finance meeting last month I moved that the report of committee be accepted adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Gisha Hanna Heidemann Kittleson Clioness Meyer Montemayor Rinfleisch Ryan Vanderwheel for Hassel Longerman Borne Belk and Decker 15 eyes motion carries 671 through 673 lies over 540 and 542 have been dealt with Other matters authorized by law 674 will be referred to the committee of the whole All in bow Thank you, your honor. I just wonder if the distinguished chairman of the finance committee would like this document to come before his august body Probably not He uh from the shabuigan taxpayer alliance that document you wanted And fine pardon me and committee the whole also Finance is fine. Just finance finance. Oh, no, no, no, it's it's come. Yeah, it's okay before us Okay Page 12 other matters authorized by law 674 will go to committee of the whole and finance committee Make that notation other matters authorized by law attorney mclean Excuse me. Hold on all in rehearsal. Thank you, your honor. Could I just ask that my vote on 667 be changed to an eye? That was just an incorrect vote on my part We need a what six what 667? That's the uh for the uh chamber I need you to make a motion to reconsider I think we want to do it. Do you want to handle with motion to reconsider? Need a motion to reconsider which can be done in the same meeting Make a motion to reconsider and 667 second motion and second to reconsider 667 Or in favor say aye motion carries And the motion is now make a motion to accept and adopt and 667 Like to make a motion to accept and adopt document 667. Okay motion in second any discussion We don't need to call a roll this one done Okay, please call a roll. Okay, hold on Hannah Heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rinflash ryan Vanderwheel for hassle. Hi wongamon boran bulk hi decker And gisha 15 ayes motion carries other matters authorized by law attorney mclean 675 is an hour by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2008 and june 30 2009 That will be referred to law and license in committee 676 is a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute an access agreement with wisconsin public service corporation Then we'll go to city plan commission 677 is a resolution amending the debt policy for the city's limit on the annual debt issuance up to five million dollars per year for non-tiffed projects that will go to finance committee need a motion to adjourn Motion in second to adjourn all in favor say aye Your honor Just like no, I just like to thank everybody tonight This was a this was a tough night and we did it right and we can be very proud of what we did tonight There are a lot of countries in the world where they don't get to do this. So nice job Stand adjourned. 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