From our studios, in the heart of Silicon Valley, Palo Alto, California, this is a CUBE Conversation. Everyone, welcome to this CUBE Conversation here in Palo Alto, California. I'm John Furrier, host of the CUBE. Here in the CUBE studios, here at Abby Curran's executive director, Cloud Foundry Foundation. CUBE alumni, great to see you again. I think it's your eighth time on the CUBE chatting. Always great to get the update. Thanks for spending the time. My pleasure, and it's a joy to drive down to your actual studios. This is where all happens, Wednesdays and Thursdays when we're not on the road doing CUBE events. I think we'll have over 120 events this year. We'll certainly see you at a bulk of them. Cloud Foundry, give us the update. We've choked them before we came on camera. Boy, this cloud thing is kind of working out. I mean, I think IBM CEO calls it chapter two. I'm like, we're still in chapter one, two, three. Give us the update, Cloud Foundry. Obviously open source, things are rocking. Give us the update. I do feel like we're moving into chapter two. It's a bit, chapter one was a really long chapter. It spanned about 10 years. But I do think we're starting to see actual growth and actual usage. And I think a lot of people are like, no, there's actually been usage for a while. I'm like, no, no, no, not a real scale. And we haven't seen any of the workloads for organizations running at massive scale, at the scale that we know that they can run at. But we're starting to see interesting scale, like 40, 50,000 applications, billions of transactions now passing through a lot of cloud native technology. So we're starting to see real interesting volume. And so that's going to actually dictate how the next five years unfold, because scale is going to dictate how the technologies unfold, how they're used. And there's going to feed into this virtuous cycle of how the technologies unfold and how they're going to be used, which feed back into how enterprises are using them and the cycle continues. Give us the update on the foundation. What's going on with the foundation? Status, momentum, clouds out there. Obviously open source continues to drive hard. We saw a lot of acquisitions and fundings around people who are using open source to build a business around that. Your favorite conversation. But I mean, you know, the technical challenges with open source allow for, you know, technical challenges, but also the people side is their learning. What's the update with the foundation? Well, open source is really tricky. And I think there is a lot of people that are really enthusiastic as a business model. I mean, last year, 2018 was a pretty substantial year for open source. You know, the year ended with Red Hats Acquisition by IBM, one of their biggest acquisitions, $34 billion. But we saw in December alone, we also saw Heptio get picked up by VMware, which is a services company that is really based on Kubernetes on an open source technology. But we also saw HashiCorp get another round of funding and then earlier in the year, Pivotal IPO'd. And so, you know, if you look at 2018 at a bigger level, you saw a lot of momentum around open source and how it's actually being commercialized. Now, you and I were talking a little bit prior and I'm a big believer that open source has the potential and is going to change fundamentally how technology is used and consumed. But at the end of the day, for the commercial aspects of it, you still have to have a business around that. And I think there's always going to be that fine line and that line is actually always going to be moving because how you provide value in, around and on top of open source has to evolve with both the market and your customer needs. Yeah, and where you are on that wave, whatever wave that is, is an early wave or is it more mature? So the maturization certainly matters. Yeah, you could be early on, sitting at the table or if it's growing when there's some complexity. So it kind of depends. It's always that depends. Is it the cloud air? Is it the red hat? Is it, so there's different approaches and people kind of get confused on that. And your answer to that is just pick one that works for a good business model. Don't get hung up on kind of the playbook if you will, is that kind of what you're saying? Well, I think we're seeing this play out this week with AWS's elastic announcement, right? And there's been a lot of conversation around, how do we think about open source? Who has access to it? Who has the right to commercialize it? What does commercialization look like? And I think, I've always cautioned people that are proceeding down the path to open source is really be thoughtful about why you're doing open source. Like what is your, what are you hoping to achieve? There's a lot of potential that comes with open sourcing your technology. You gain ecosystem, community, momentum. There's a lot of positives that come with that, but there's also a lot of work that comes with that too. Managing your community, managing a much more varied share of stakeholders and people that are gonna have thoughts and opinions around how that technology unfolds. And then of course, is because it's open sources, there's more opportunity for people to use that and build their own ideas and their own solutions on top of that and potentially their own commercial products. And so really figuring out that fine line and what works best for your business, what works best for the technology and then what your hopes are at the end of the day with that. And what are some of the momentum's points for the foundation with Cloud Foundry? Obviously, you're seeing Pevill when public, you mentioned that VMware, I'm talking to Michael Dell all the time, the numbers are great coming from that operation, Pat Gelsinger, once they did the Amazon deal, things got clear on what VMware was. But still, you have a lot more cloud, multi-cloud conversations happening than ever before. Well, for sure. I mean, at Cloud Foundry, we've actually been talking about multi-cloud since 2016. We saw that trend coming based on user behavior and now you've seen everyone's multi-cloud, even the public clouds are multi-cloud. I think you had the first study out on that too, multi-cloud, yeah. We did, we were firm believers in multi-cloud. Last year, we've actually moved more broadly to multi-platform because at the end of the day, there isn't one technology that solves all of these problems. Multi-cloud is pervasive and at the end of the day, multi-cloud means a lot of different things to a lot of people, but for many enterprises, what it gives is optionality. You don't want to be locked into a single provider. You don't want to be locked into a single cloud or a single solution because if I'm an enterprise, I don't know where I'm going to be in five years. Do I want to make a five-year or a 10-year or 20-year commitment to a single infrastructure provider when I don't know what my needs are going to be? So having that optionality and also being able to use the best of what clouds can provide, the best services, the best outcomes. And so for me, I want to have that optionality, so I'm going to look at technologies that give me that portability. And then I'm going to use that to allow me to choose the best cloud that I need for right now, for my business, and maybe again, a different one in the future. I want to get your thoughts on this, just double down on this conversation because I think there's two things going on that I'm saying I want to get your reaction to. One is, I've heard things like, pick the right cloud for the right workload. And I heard analogies, hey, if you got an airplane, you don't need to have two engines. You have one engine if it works for that plane, but your whole fleet of planes could be other clouds. So pick the right cloud for the right workload, meaning workloads define spec. I've also heard that the people side of the equation, what people are behaving like, what they're comfortable with, APIs, tooling is potentially a lock-in, kind of by default, not a technical lock-in, but people are comfortable with the APIs and the tooling, and the workloads need a certain cloud, then maybe that cloud would be it. That's not saying pick that cloud for the entire company. So certainly the trend seems to be coming from a lot of people in the industry saying, hey, this whole sole cloud, multi-cloud thing argument really isn't about one cloud versus multiple clouds. It's workload cloud for the use case and the tooling that fits if the people are there to do it. And then you can still have other clouds and that's the multi-cloud architecture. So is that real? Is that what's your thoughts on that? Well, let's dissect that, because I think we're actually solving for two different outcomes. Like one, multi-cloud for optionality's purpose and workload specific, I think is a great one. There's a lot of services that are native to certain clouds that maybe you really would like to get greater access to. And so I think you're going to choose the best, for that, that's going to drive your workload. Now, also factoring in that, you're going to have a much more dis-immediated access to cloud based on what people are comfortable with. I do think at some point as an organization, you want to have a better control over that. Historically, over the last decade, what we've seen shadow IT really dictate your cloud spend, right? Everyone's got a credit card, I've got access to AWS. And they go both of that business, Amazon did. Yes, and that served them quite well. But if I'm an organization that's trying to digitally transform, I'm also trying to get a better handle on what we're spending, how we're spending it. And frankly, now if I have compliance requirements, where's my data? These are going to be important questions for you when you're starting to run production workloads at scale on multiple clouds. And so I predict we're going to see a lot more tension there, internal organizations, like, hey, I'd love for you to use cloud. This is no longer needs to be a shadow thing, but let's figure out a way to do it that's strategically and intentional. Versus just random pockets choosing to do cloud because of the workflow that they like. Now- Well, they bring a good point. The cost thing was never a problem. And then you have sprawl and you realize, well, there's a cost optimizer component, which means you might be overpaying. Because as you think about the system aspects, you got networking, you got cloud management factors. So you start to, as you get into that shadow IT expansion, you kind of realize, wait a minute, I'm still spending a lot of cash here. This adds up really, really quickly. I mean, I think the information piece a couple of weeks ago where they talked about the Pinterest bill, like this stuff starts adding up. And for organizations, this is like, not just thousands of dollars, this is now hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not tens of millions of dollars. And so if I'm trying to figure out ways to optimize my business and my scale, I'm going to look at that because that is not an insignificant amount of money. And so if I'm, and if that's money that could be better invested in more developers, better outcomes, a better alignment with my business, then that's where I want to spend my time and money. And so I'm going to spend more time being really thoughtful about what clouds we're using, what infrastructure we're using, and the tools we're using to allow us to have that optionality. So you would agree with the statement if I said, generally, multi-cloud is here, it already exists. And that multi-cloud architecture thinking is really the conversation that needs to be had. Not so much cloud selection, per se, it's not a mutually exclusive situation, meaning I'm not all in on Amazon, I'm going to have clouds, plural. Well, yeah, you are. We were already seeing, as of early last year, over half of our users, which right now are over half the Fortune 500, are already running multi-cloud, already. That number has gone up since last year, I'm for sure. Some workloads are on-prem and some are in a public cloud, be it GCP, AWS, Azure, or Oli cloud. And so that is a statement effect. And every executive I've talked to at every enterprise has been like, yes, we're doing multi-cloud. And they're going to have some sort of on-prem anyway, so we know that's there. That's not going to go away. That on-prem is not going to go away. And then IoT Edge and Enterprise Edge, SD-WAN, kind of comes back on the Vogue as people start using SaaS across network connections.  It's not really, yeah. I feel like the older I get, the more I'm like, wow, didn't I have this conversation like 20 years ago? I was just talking about something earlier that came in. The old becomes the new again. It's what's happening, right? So, okay, distributed computing, now goes to cloud, you got the enterprise. One of the big players doing that, Google Next is coming up next month. It is, right, the week after Cloud Foundry Summit. They got a mid-savory, big news over there, they poached them from Oracle. So Tom's Korean, brought in Oracle, who's Oracle, who's a CUBE alumni as well. Really smart guy. Diane's not there. What do you expect at Google Next? What are we going to see there? What's the sentiment? What's the vibe? What do you see happening? Well, I think it's going to be about the enterprise, right? That's why Thomas was brought in. And I think to really give Google that enterprise focus and say how do we, because it's not just about, I'm going to sell to enterprises. That's not, you know, when you're selling to an enterprise, there is a whole different approach. And it's, you have to write, have the teams, the sales teams, you have to write, have the ecosystem, the services, the enablement capabilities, the support, the training, the product strategy, all of that takes a very different slant when you're thinking about an enterprise. And so I'm sure that's going to be front and center for everything that they talk about. And certainly he's very public about, you know, the position of Oracle Cloud. He knows the enterprise. Oracle was the master of enterprise gamemanship, for sure. Yes, for sure. You don't get a whole lot more enterprise-y than Oracle. What's, what do you think is going on with the CNCF? Any news there? What's, what's the land, what's happening on the landscape? What's the abbey take on the landscape of cloud? Well, speaking of someone that is not, does not run CNCF. Feel free to elaborate. But I do, you know, Cloud Native Computing Foundation for those of you that aren't, you know, aren't familiar is a sister open source organization that is a clearinghouse or a collective of cloud native technologies. The anchor project is the very well-known Kubernetes, but it also spans a variety of technologies from everything from LinkerD to CD to Envoy to, so it's just a variety of cloud native technologies. And, you know, and they're continuing to grow because obviously Cloud Native is becoming, you know, it's coming into its own time right now because we're starting to really think about how to do better with workloads, particularly workloads that it can run across a cloud. I mean, and that seems pretty pedantic, but we've been talking about cloud since 2007. And we were talking about what cloud brings cloud, what does cloud bring? It brings resiliency, you can auto scale, you can burst into the cloud, remember bursting. And all the things we talked about in 2007 to 2008, but weren't really a reality because the applications that were written weren't necessarily written to do that. That's exactly the point. And so now we're actually seeing a lot more of these applications written.  And that is a really defining point because now these technologies are actually relevant because we're starting to see more of these created and run and now run at scale. Yeah, I think that's the point. I think you nailed it. The applications are driving everything. And I think that's the chapter two narrative, in my opinion. Chapter one was let's get infrastructure as code going. And chapter two is apps dictating policy and then you start to see the microservices start to emerge. Kind of a new different vibe in terms of like what it means for scale. It's less of about, hey, I'm doing cloud. I got some stuff in the public cloud. Here the conversation around the apps, the workloads, and that's where the business value is, right?  And I have to iterate now. Like, I can't do a banking app and then update it in a year. Like, that's not acceptable anymore. You are constantly having to update. You're constantly having to iterate. And that is not something you can do with a large application. I mean, the whole reason we talk a lot about monolithic versus 12 factor or cloud native apps is because it isn't that monolithics are inherently bad. It's just they're big and they're complex, which means in order to make any updates, it takes time. That's where the year comes in, the 18 months come in. And I think that is no longer acceptable. Like, you know, if you, like, I remember the time and I'm going to date myself here, but I remember the time when, you know, banks would or any e-commerce site would be down. They have an orange, what they call the orange page, but the orange page come out of the site down tonight cause we're doing maintenance for the weekend, right? Under construction. Yeah. Under construction. You're like, okay, well, I'll just come back on Monday. That's fine. And now you're like, if it's down for like five minutes, you're like, what is actually happening right now? Like, why is this not here?   Oh my God, my life is over. And I think, and our expectation now is not only constant availability, so, you know, always available, but our also expectation is real-time access to data, transparency and a visibility into what's actually happening at all times. And that's something that a lot of organizations are really having to figure out how to develop the applications to expose that. And that takes time and that takes change and there's a ton of culture change that has to happen. And that is the more important thing. If I'm a business, I care more about how do I make that a reality? And I should care a lot less about the technologies I use. It's interesting you mentioned about the monolith versus, you know, the decomposed application being agile, whatnot. Because if you don't have the culture and the people to do it, it's still a monolithic effort in the sense of the holistic thinking and the architecture, it's a systems architecture. You have to look at it like a system and say, and that's not easy either. Now, once you get that done, the benefits are multi-fold in terms of like, what you can do is, it's that systems thinking setup is becoming more of an architectural concept. That's super important. For sure, if I have a microservice app, but it takes 150 people to get that through change management and get it into production, well, that'll still take me a year. Doesn't matter if there's maybe 12 lines of code in that application, it doesn't matter.  All the writing I do is really around culture change and what does that look like? Because at the end of the day, if you're not willing to make those changes, you're not willing to structure your teams and allow for that collaboration. And if you're doing iterative work, feedback loops from your customers, if you're not willing to put those pieces into place, there is no technology that's going to make you better. I totally agree. So let me ask you a question on that point, great point, by the way, which to follow your writing, your blog posts and those little links. But I think that's the question. When do you know when it's not working? So I've seen companies that are rearranging the deck chairs, if you will, use that analogy. With all the culture, rah, rah, and then nothing ever happens, right? So they've gone into that paralysis mode. When do you look at the culture? When does the executive, what should they be thinking about? Because people kind of aspire to do this. Execution, as you said, is critical. When do you know it's not working? Or what should they be doing? What's the best practice? How does someone say, hey, you know what? I really want to be more holistic in my architecture. I don't want to spend two years sitting up in architecture and then find out it's now just starting. I want to get an architecture in place. I want to get the ground running. Well, I mean, it's two-fold. One, start small.  And you should expect that's going to be an eight- to 10-year process. Now, what that's also going to mean is you're going to have to have a really clear vision and you're going to have to be really committed. This is going to be a hard road. But conversely, when someone says, what does success look like? When you're looking at a variety of companies, how do you know which ones you think are going to be the most successful at the end of the day? Because no one's ever actually done any of this before. There's no one that's ever gone through this digital transformation initiative and come out on the other side. No one. There isn't. And so I think, what does success look like? And I said, well, for me, what I look for are companies that are investing and rescaling their workforce. That's what I'm looking for. I get real excited when companies talk about their internal boot camps or their programs to reskill or upscale their teams, because it's not like you're going to lay off 20,000 people and hire 20,000 cloud native developers. They don't exist. And they're certainly not going to exist for thousands of companies to go and do that. So how are you investing in rescaling because- It's easy to grow your own internally from pre-existing positions. They go out to a job board that has no available. And at the end of the day, that needs to be your new business model. It's like, what is digital transformation? Actually, it's just a different way of working. And there isn't, you know, there's no destination to the digital trend. This isn't a journey that has an end. And so you need to really think about how are you going to invest differently in your people so that they can continuously learn. Continuously learning needs to be part of your model and your mantra. And that needs to be in everything you do from hiring to HR to MBOs to, you know, how do you structure your teams? Like how do you make sure that people can constantly learn and evolve? Because if that's not happening, it doesn't, you know, everything else is going to fall by the wayside. There's a tech technology gap, easy to fill, a lot of tech out there, talent gap, hard to fill. For sure. That's the real challenge. If you have all the best tech in the world but you don't have the right people or the right structure, are you going to be successful? Probably not. Yeah, it's a challenge. All right, so final question for you. Where are you going to be? What's your schedule look like? Where can people find you? What events are you going to be at? Do you have an event coming up or? April 2nd through 4th in Philly. We're going to have a summit. You want to see some people that are actually running cloud at scale. That's the place to go. April 5th. 2nd through 4th. 2nd and 4th, I'll be in there. First week of April, Philly. I'm fingers crossed, good weather. Yeah. Lots of cloud talk. And it's a great way to. So your brother, we love Philadelphia. We're bringing it. They beat the Patriots. They couldn't make it to the playoffs last year but love the Philly fans down there. Paul Martino and friends down there. Abby, thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Thanks for the update. We'll see you around the events. I won't be able to make your event. I'll be taking the week off skiing. Well, one of us has to. First vacation of the year. Two years. Thanks for coming in. You should do that. Abby Kurtz here. It's either Cube or Cube Conversation. I'm John Furrier. Thanks for watching.


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I mean he could bounce have a nice bounce Yeah, he could have all of a sudden his cargo skyrocketed. Yeah Keeper just hold on to that That's crazy Jake Cutler has type two diabetes Matthews double-filting.  It's like what do you want him to do? He's retired That's what you do when you're retired. Yeah Yeah, that's a nice one martin Still value on that one too Maybe not what it once was All right, we got more tops chrome. This is regular size. Do you want to give me those three on the on your left? All right, get this out of the way. Yeah To the elite and everything else just one box max williams. Yeah pretty much Alshon jeffrey blue, but it's not numbered Oh, is this one of those hot boxes? I think it's like the blue sapphire hot box. I kind of remember So these all ship Terrence McGee rookie autograph baltimore ravens That's going out to travis Kamel Lamar miller for the dolphins 264 out of 499 And jason is on his last calls. I think for mixer Personals sorry He said only five ten minutes. It's like perfect time for one personal melbourne green. So Head over to instagram last call for those boxes This is a different michael bennett than the bennett brothers. That's kind of weird Never heard of the second michael bennett Tramac bride pulsar number to not numbered marin cooper. That's a rookie. I believe And blue wave jordan matthews eagles not numbered as well Yeah, that was a hot box box. Yeah, all the blues will ship so Get the top players henny sleeve can topload it too I'll take a few here Playoff Fox bamo what's going on. All right, this is uh 13 select juan thompson broncos to 75 Crockett gilmore juan james pink number to 25 That card is gold jordan lynch seven of ten That card is gold Jeremy hill Number to 299 for the bangles Can we get a oval office break when he's there steve smith? Solomon patten pink dandro williams number 199 antonio andrews titans on a 116 out of 199 That should be it for select Oh, that's nice a uh, no, I thought it was plumec. It's not look at this autograph select rookie jersey purple prism prime card nine odell beckham jr. Wow martin starting up the odell beckham, of course, it's giant's version this card would be under That goes to the giant smart What does anybody know what the purple? prism prime is number two number to 25 That's nice.  I think panini might be able to get points Yeah, I mean a lot of points points is better than nothing, right? Seems to be a decent amount of points All right, this is 16 playoff. We're looking for maybe some contenders autos charles clayton 99 he goes ryan redmond who was the first one to let us know that panini was giving away points. He said an expired zeke Redemption, I forget which products auto He got like five or six thousand points. That's pretty good. Isn't that like a hundred bucks? Yeah, I'm gonna say 60 70 Julio is uh, charles teal I don't know if the points have been going up now because Because of that people are trying to build up their points now To get something nicer Sharon peak to 199 Yeah giants, I mean there's a lot of teams in playing this one just because there's so many years, you know A team like the browns may not be that good in 2019 products, but 2018 they got you know baker and stuff zika lele at rookie Rebels saying out of 25 on that. That's nice. We'll give you those far three far, right elements contenders and luminance hackenburg to 199 Jason witton to 199 Number to 10. Wow. The Sean McCoy nine of 10 boss hogs Short print bills is adam cupperman. Oh, no, there's a spider in that box. No, there's not. Yeah, there's many There's a little one. Oh, okay but I'm not sticking anything larger than that size forget about it.  It's that size. That's fine Adam cupperman if you can see a distinct body and distinct legs on a Forget it Just burn the entire building down. We're gonna have to look for a new shop Man, remember the ones at the old shop? Oh, I mean Don't even remind me Jarvis Landry's tops every day That bathroom is pretty bad too. Yeah, Brandon Coleman number to 271 Murder and all the light fixtures down the hallways. They were the every spider was hiding inside those light fixtures They never cleaned it building huge webs across the pillars to that's bright number to 299 and then in our building Yeah, I pulled the Brady John brown Number 299 it doesn't officially ship, but any Brady. I see I'll definitely pull And Tray Millard 49ers auto that is Zach. Nice. Thanks Joe for helping I'm gonna breeze through the CXR right here the elites right there Momentum luminance This is absolute What is this? Oh x 2 packs of XR That tops field access this black pack right here that I didn't open this element Is then whatever that blaster box of contender that looks like First off the line first off the line We have a redemption in this box Got a jersey in this break too Okay All right Redemption clear cut rookie auto denard Robinson for the jackmars. Um, no Martin. I would but We did that a few times Back when we first started And we kind of got burnt So it's nothing personal, but yeah, we just kind of we don't do that anymore but Panini did email and I think that's their official stance going forward Is uh is the points There's Jordan Reed number to 213 Dobson All right, so depending on how long this mixer takes We'll see what we'll break after this Kevin saying, uh, there's a cordial Patterson rookie auto for the Vikings. That's Zach Paul Kevin saying contender's optics sold out. So I'll definitely break that that's been on the site for a while. So Oh, that's sold out nice. Yeah So that will break We'll see if a retail prism sells out and then maybe the baseball mixer since this, uh This football might go a little quicker than expected. All right some luminance We got nick foals jaguars number to 275 and jared goff relic. No jared goff auto number to 25 Los angeles rams martin alice barns 99 titans kenny golliday 25 for the lines John lynch relic number to 49 for the bucks brian zehler tj harkinson to 275 for the lines And we have an auto to 25 Uh for the jets jameson crowder Into redskins uni, but goes to the jet so you can clearly see the jet's logo on that card seh kwan not numbered but kind of a shiny one Lamar jackson to 275 debo samuel very nice auto there number 349 for the 49ers That's going out to zack paul little debo Momentum, I think 10 hits per box in this five hits something crazy steven hill relic auto jets Atta Fletcher cox yeah, I did okay auto for the eagles. I didn't see it. Does someone on instagram want it? one with alon Number to 399 the jeter. Yeah, that was an adult That's an adult Head of the class bernard pierce for the ravens Number 249 someone dm'd me saying on the jaspy's account.  That's the only way you get high-end cards And then the next day the no kidding the next day they messaged they said uh Plus there's also a lot of curse words for this kid who looked very young And then he text he messaged uh Saying how many likes on my post for a free opening day pack Like how many likes does he have to get? You guys you get there's no need for us to flex and then he wants me to open up high-end boxes anyway, but now he wants help Yeah for a free pack for some likes Uh dron kreiner It's like what'll be windies we don't do that steven c emmett smith relic 67 of 199 Also with the cowboys Another's uh emmett smith 18 to 49 Look at that. So you got the prime patch. They call it And then the out of 199 Oh, we got eggnude here michael egg new 96 of 599 dolphins on that There's a brady Case kinam rookie autograph for the houston texans Is there any 20 or 299 worth closer to her salt that actually does do something like that? I don't think so probably not right, but someone is that's why that kid's asking and ryan lemley I think they just shoot their shot. They're shooting at not joshua You know if you shoot it to a hundred breakers, maybe one says yes, I'll send you a jeter bat there a lot of Yeah, we get a lot of those. I mean our dms are are a mess right now on instagram And then the people who have have actual questions like I can't see them because it's just flooded with uh With like can you sell me this what's the price for this? Can you do a dollar on this? Can you give me free stuff free stuff? All right, this is college rules on this no checklist Um for all the college autographs that I don't know off the top of my head I'll look them up at the end of the break like this jihad thomas. I know he has a team Now There's my home's RC Diatry wise junior See Think I pulled in the other day look him up See patriots, maybe nick you forgot this guy This is a paid act. Oh gosh, jabriel peppers disaster jake butt. He's a tight end forgot the butt If you're josh k saying is pats. Okay, I don't remember that E e1 print price Pittsburgh I'm gonna use these all these tells her Um, just uh, maybe one or two. Okay. I only need like five. Okay Just Josiah price so we got E1 price and Josiah price look those two up at the end Just looking for a patty my home's auto. I don't think we're gonna get it though Maybe one more auto. There's another my home's base though nomas So that was elite collegiate fat packs Only a few more base heavy stuff until we get to Some of the higher end stuff we got playbook coming up leaf metal origins passing the torch plates and patches Um, bunch of other stuff. How are you on temperature? It's a little cozy a little too hot All right field access that's 70. Oh So that's like 74 in here There's an amari cooper. That's cool. I was gonna see if like Ej manual a lot of like I'm fine. I'm kind of cold and be like, oh it's 70 I'm not a 70 That's adam cuperman Uh, we didn't get it in today glow bug. They delayed it again. So we're uh We're hoping and praying. I don't know. They haven't given us any update other than that. It's on the trailer And we can't pick it up or we can't um get it delivered yet The 75 fill sims So we were saying if anybody wants a refund for that, but I'm I'm pretty hopeful it's gonna come tomorrow Henry Anderson for the Colts that's Zach Paul That goes for the uh, the second case too There's a brady lake Bortles auto jaguars that is Zach And we have a Marcus Peters rookie autograph for the chiefs Carl says one two three four That past one Field access is it five autos or four? And see let me see The autographs are really easy to miss They don't do any white background or anything All right, so if it's a bad auto, it's like a blue squiggle. Yeah, that looks like part of there Okay, four autos got for somebody's nose in five. All right. This looks like a little xr Sam Bradford Uh, first album comar to 299 Sam Bradford to 99 Number to 35 jamal more redemption will save that any guesses 2018 uh dylan cantrell to 299 julie edelman to 199 And carry on johnson relic to 99 joe guesses jake butt Or carry on johnson And we have a vita veya auto to 199 for the bucks. That is brian zehler Vita veya Rookie triple autograph rookie triple swatch autos blue Kiki cutie for the texans cutae cutie texans is quarry I don't know why we sleeve and topple up the redemptions, but we do I don't know either I guess so it doesn't get misplaced. It's I guess there's been time where I've been doing a break And I it's like a big break something like that and I'm not sleeving like a lot of Basically the redemptions Wait, what 50 or 60 cards that I'm like, wait, why did I why did I not Tollow this autograph, but I just did for this redemption Uh, wow to 20 doug martin. We did a lot of this back in the day The 2014 absolute football Cody parkie one of 99. It's good practice Eagles Trey mason six-way patch to 249 That's martin Bishop sanky quad patch 99 for the titans Jeremy a Terrence west quad relic for the Cleveland browns jeremy monahan To 99 Oh, this is a nice one Mike Evans 51 and 99 rookie auto nice for the bucks bryan zehler Nice Mike Evans a little auto boost with brady. You would think so right when they got a lot more prime time They're like crazy odds on this ruble like 10 to 1 or something uh silas red to 199 I feel like that's kind of low. They're only plus a thousand. They're like something. Yeah, something crazy a lot of people betting on them They've got a rod quad And hog haven't you before the season must have been like plus 600 Last year, right? Yeah, plus a thousand for a team that was even close. Was even close. They didn't make reply To get a plus a thousand All right, I'm gonna go a little off the cuff here. We do have a couple boxes on the joe cart still but One is contenders first off the line, which is a high end one and then elements. Maybe save those You think uh martin says godwin and evans will take a step back under brady I I'm sure I'm assuming saying that because they're gonna run the ball more. Well, yeah Or just shorter passes. Yeah shorter passes, but I don't know what their like gap is. You know what I mean? Yeah, like It doesn't matter if mike evans can still break away from the first tackle and go for the 50 50 yards It'd be more accurate passes too. Yeah, I mean with more accurate passes because they're good route runners, right? Uh, yeah, I think so right to 100 Marvin Austin, but I mean, I feel like mike evans can just Get any 50 50 ball brady throws to have been like Seven yards eight yards and eat the whole game. Yeah, and then he'll just push a guy down and just gain another Their division doesn't have any great defenses either martes wilson number to 499 maybe uh new orleans Um, whatever number it is on the site kevin I think we've done at least three or four. So if it's like picker team four, we've done three cases I mean saint second could get god There's ponder like iron, you know, yeah That's exact panthers not good. No panthers not good And uh There's tj yates to 499. Atlanta's not good either throw in Atlanta Plus they all playing warm weather or don't Houston that's going out to quarry But it depends. I'll have to look at the yeah, they have grog this year too. So Stuff, but there's quarry luguette for the chargers number to 499 brady's hitting 60-yard bombs Yeah Who who would eat a like who would get a lot of targets if they still had him was a guy like adam humphreys Like I feel like he I feel like brady throws to the slot a lot I mean they could do so many things now You have like you can have like a two tight end set One back And then just god wind Evans on either side. Yeah, you're gonna cover. Yeah, gronk and oj howard. Yeah, gronk and oj howard camron brate Yeah, we want three tight ends three tight end set. Yeah, you know, and then just put mike evans out there and like Maybe they'll sign antonio brown All right, calvin ridley to 175 and julien evan into 299 Is anybody gonna sign him? Is he is he done for the brats fifth career? I mean as soon as someone signs that's crazy commissioners exam exam list So you'll lose him for like six games. Two color pass to ten diana johnson. I don't think his legal stuff is cleared of That's alfred with the steelers I mean who's gonna take that edit? Yeah, I don't know a team that's really desperate the two last resort teams tj hawkinson rookie auto for the lions That's uh, anthony your two last resort teams are raiders Because they're desperate. Yeah, patriots even the raiders didn't want and dairy slate took on the patch auto for the giants That's mark And then a class organization, you know, like The patriots couldn't couldn't handle him couldn't handle him And he couldn't even respect that organization. So then what organization is he gonna respect unless he goes back to kids? Yeah The only family that might let him in Yeah, I think even the second chance I could see the only guy who crosses you I could see like andy redoing it Right, but why mess up that chemistry? Yeah, this is like andy review the after he wins two more super bowls And then goes that'd be so crazy LA and coached my hometown team Yeah, and retired with the chargers or something like that That'd be nuts if they got antonio brown too, and he was playing like real There's a mick nut marvin mick nut herbert to brown touchdown rookie auto for the eagles warren low And andy reed dials up another incredible play for herbert and antonio brown Whitney merciless to 149 that's They're a bigger team than a bigger team than the ram And then it's like attendance of 6,000 today record-breaking mack aleel for the vikings Zach paul number 25 The 90,000 road fans are stunned TJ gram Three-color patch auto to 349 for the bills Reggie bush green Number to 49 Dolphins edition of reggie bush It's reggie bush a bust in most people's minds. Oh, well, and there's jay cutler 42 out of 99 crowning glory relic I think yes But then you look at he actually didn't like it out of love in your career. You can't NFL pension with that Yeah, running backs don't get that so I mean you can pop to him Yeah, he got screwed remember he uh It was the old ram stadium st. Louis ram stadium, and I think he sued him after that But yeah, he was service. I mean he was more than serviceable. Maybe it's just not as much as the hype. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he wasn't just I mean at usc. He just destroyed pieces. He was so good at usc Yeah Yeah Barrett sanders Yeah, george is saying bush would have been a much better fit in today's NFL. Yeah A little better like health towards running backs like they don't carry as much of a workload. So you maybe got injured left They were just like all right wind up two running backs. That's like uh remember catalac williams of the bucks He would have been really good today. So like if he was coming out this year Oh, yeah Yeah, I mean even 15 years ago. They were just like 10 15 years ago. They were just like let's run it Going through the middle three to get like here's the draw play.  He wasn't he was never huge, you know. Yeah Yeah Eric ebron relic for the alliance Yeah, ebron had a better year with luck, but then last year maybe I think he's with the stealers now Uh dress for success tom savage What's up callie's finest Callie's finest says uh tell joe it's past his bedtime Josh huff to 199 joe's about to crash at the hampton Inn next door Is that even open? Yeah, it has to be right It's essential Yeah, it's uh, I actually don't know it's 299. It is charles sims. They clean that probably It's probably cleaner than It's probably safer than sleeping in like your own house Because like I might crash there for the 24 hour break. That's what jason was saying Or something like that. He said it might stay in also gondo or something I might night before or night after both nights Just do I said I said let's just do 50 cases and 48 hours and then we'll be done. I'll just uh, I can just crash there I mean I could help you pack stack if I crash there. That's my one. I'm thinking Yeah, and probably get you through to like 1 a.m Yeah, we'll just rip on your own. Yeah, that's four hours Three or four hours and then and then yeah the next day we'll just do it do it all over again 25 karsten palmer Callie's finest says a lot of hotels aren't filling up to full capacity Uh, I'll bet we'll get a gait and curly. Hey jason Jeff jannis to 25 The Packers auto Matthew edges, uh, it'll be next friday callie's finest for bowman release day Unless it gets pushed back, but we're pretty confident that's going to be released on um friday the 22nd There's mike evans charles sims dual patch for the box And chris borland number to 99 rookie autograph the 49ers that is that Wait, they're closed or what?  I don't think there's a checklist for this. Let me look though 2014 leaf trinity if there isn't then we'll go by uh current team 2014 you don't think so I just want to see the rest of this break like what's going to come out of here something crazy I was trying to leave and then Because the What's interesting here? I like the leaf metal is interesting Yeah, I like the the metal I typed in tremoto. I don't think that'll work trinity doesn't work either All right first one up jared apodaris relic auto Jared apodaris packers So college team it'll go to the team they're currently on if active if they're retired it'll go to the team they played for longest Yeah, he's a former receiver played longest for the packers. So that's green bay on that one Next we got a d anthony thomas pure clear auto Believe that would be cheese Right, but unless he's currently assigned to a team Oh, right, right, right jason wouldn't know though Uh, yeah, he's on the ravens actually still active That's travis with the ravens No, uh friday May 22nd will be the 24 hour stream There's charles sims believe that will be bucks unless he's currently on a different team Yeah, bucks on that one. Yeah Free agent. So he only played for the bucks his career 14 to 17 and then never Um did anything after that Looks like he had an injury settlement with the team A couple more to go we got a settlement with the team. Yeah Is this guy still on the jets three of ten austin safarian jankins It was a buck when it came out and then he's on the jets now. Yeah Safari didn't he have a dui or something? I think he was kind of a bus with bucks Um It's actually bucks because he played there the longest. He's not on a team right now Yeah, personal life. He had uh He had a dui in 2013 2017 2019 and 2020 So in 2016 He was just arrested for a third time last month third time Oh, poor guy. That's definitely Bigger issues than just a mistake and there's go game cocks to davion clowny And now clown is gotta brew shoulder. So it's he's not currently signed. Is he so this is texans, huh? Yeah, not signed No longer a seahawk Because he's a free agent. No one wants to davion use some texans. Yeah, I guess not, huh? Raiders should take davion He's gonna want a lot the eagles are saying it but Fans don't want it because he knocked out carcel ones with a dirty shot last playoff Yeah, but if he's still doing those dirty shots for you. Yeah People's fans wouldn't care Matt gomes. No, we haven't done the baseball mixer yet. Last time I checked it wasn't sold out All right, let's do contenders first off the line Is that select baseball sold out? Yeah, so the baseball mixer will be coming up and same with contenders optic that'll probably The last two breaks although the retail Just sold out too. Did you do retail 11? Okay, so 12 will be coming up and that'll be the last break then whatever sold out first All right, we have a ben burr curvin ben burr. Isn't that a famous, uh, is that a president burr? That's where burr taren burr. Is he a president? No, he was a secretary of state rodney anderson. I think he was a president Wait, what? Oh third vice president I was close He shot somebody he shot alexander hampton secretary of the treasury Look it up.   Oh my god. I don't want that alexander hamilton. Wait. What a duel.  Yeah, can you imagine if like pence had a duel with like truck? Yeah. No, it's like crazy. I don't know. Oh, uh, Pelosi. Wow, they did that be like that. Yeah trace mcsorley Playoff ticket 55 Today is bad Wow, they just shot each other. It's gotten better every trappers for that one. That's crazy. We got a redemption any guesses Everyone freaks out about today. I'm just like zaderi smith. At least you're not dueling. Yeah Our public figures are duly Green Bay Packers on that one Redemption who are the guesses drew lock debo samuel DK metcalf Let's see in the zone auto zone It is no font for the broncos Juana Fanta Broncos Brenda All right, not too many boxes to go Let's do a little 2013 playbook switch it up a little bit I did not use that talcum powder A lot of those commercials lately. I wonder why Those are the only people advertising right now I don't know talcum powder lawsuits All right, so these are like the hardest packs in the hobby ever of all time to get out Yeah, they've got those little ears. I don't know who uh designed it. Well, they've never done it again since never done I'll tell you that I remember the preferred basketball in 2013. They put the booklet no packaging remember? Oh, right It was just terrible. It was just like boom 2013 was not a good year for design Uh products here They really went hard on cavernic too here They're really hoping he would be a super bowl champ and a lot of futures. Yeah the whole uh The whole design is just cavernic All right two booklets right there And these are very hard to open too because there's only one card in it So it's hard to get a good grip, but I just nailed that one. Absolutely nailed it Rg3 auto eight of 10 Is he still on the ravens?  He's got that uh, they I love adam kupperman with the rescue The three heisman set out there. Oh, yeah ingram griffin Rg3 remember jackson. Yeah, it's kind of a badass actually Imagine that like 60 years ago it'd be like the greatest team ever on turf all right dj hayden Number to 299 it'd be like running with like shack brah brah dority and like some some other tall guy Yeah, maybe That's raiders to 299 auto We have a quentin patent for the 49ers two color patch booklet auto 199 I don't think so 49ers that's zack. Yeah And we have an adrian peterson. Nice 25 out of 25 I can't believe he's still playing. I can't believe frank gore's playing too three color patch Nice 25 25 both rank four is that still grind out like 900 yards this year. Is he gonna be a whole favor? I mean just by longevity alone probably. Yeah I mean just all the counting stats that he's getting. All right elements time We got a lavy on bell jets Number 75. I can't believe uh, he had like the lowest ypc of any running back or something last year This is a nice one to 35. This was when he was signing his full name. It's a very early card dwayne haskins I think he shortened up his auto I don't know people get into arguments about frank gore all the time I don't think i don't think he's gonna be the first ballad hall of aimer. Yeah, I don't agree with that But adam with the redskins. I guess uh, it is a little easier to get into I think eventually he will just because andy isabella to the 99 the longevity of a running But like was he ever like he was never like a top three running back, you know If he wins it, did he win a chip? It'd be nice if he won a chip that albums this cause no But I think he'll that's joshua and hakeem butler to 99 for the cardinals That's joshua. I just think if you're going in the hall of fame You have to be like a top two or three player at your position at one point, you know Was he not I don't think so I mean he was in the adrian peterson era ladenian tomlinson You know march on lynch you can make a case for who else brian westbrook Yeah No, I get ap and lynch like you don't make a case for them then. Yeah Lynch probably gets in right I'd imagine right not first ballot though ap's probably first ballot ap's first ballot to 99 james and prouder You want to mvp? Uh, that's so hard as a running back. I feel like big bend to 50. Well, because it's all it's going to be a quarterback Otherwise, you know what I mean? Receivers will never win because they'll be like cut of the quarterback Right, so if the receiver puts up numbers then it's usually because of the quarterback and the quarterback will win that mvp Look at this to 40 zay jones. Nathan peterman josh allen Two out of three. We're on the raiders at one point zay jones was he still is remember that he had that freak out where he was like Yeah, that was kind of weird But a lot of people talking that zay jones is going to be like why receiver three 11 of 20 isaac bruce upper echelon auto That's a cool card People talking like zay jones is like a beast. I'm just like that's a jones And the greatest play in football history right there. That's the philly special That's tray burton one-on-one printing plate. All right, let's do uh this next plates and patches And then we'll do metal and then passing the torch Since uh, I don't think I've ever opened passing the torch. I kind of want to get One of those uh dual autos and then we have the jersey, of course chris maxill saying frank gores to banks what tesaverde is to quarterbacks to runny backs is to what tesaverde is to quarterbacks longevity and stats equals holofamor, but not really Yeah, that makes sense. People love tesaverde in new york. I feel like to 99 brett farve me coal hardman 17 of 60 ebay 101 jersey number bang carry on johnson 60 to 75 nice set of patches in there for the Lions and anthony Little old school raider. Darrell la monica nine of 30 auto Back when they wore the the one bar quarterback face masks Just full vision. That's what james needs is to just switch to this to this Raiders is uh, steven And look at this a one-on-one printing plate with a sticker auto on there jamal adams. Nice Don't get the auto version all the time either Jamal adams. That's for the j e t s jets. That is adam levee All right, we're going by group like checklist on this one 20 20 leaf metal hobby thing. I should just click it there Yeah, I think he'll be in but yeah, like I said, I don't know He has some good stats, but I just never felt like he was in the conversation But maybe that makes him underrated who gore. Yeah gore He's not first bow. I'm not seeing his first bow. All right the first auto We have a very nice looking autograph. Jawan Jennings I feel like the penmanship in this draft class is actually pretty strong. Well, they always start out like that And then you think Jennings is just gonna end as they sign as they sign Yeah, unless they don't play at all this year. I don't know That's 49ers No, I can see Jawan Jennings got the penmanship where that that'll last. Yeah, I think that this is a nice one jk dobbins Touchdown kings. Did you go to jk's will simplify I can see jk just being Ravens They have jk dobbins now too. The ravens are loaded on uh running backs Travis I think jk doms will just use the stem of the j and just attach the k to it And get rid of the number two. Yeah, and he's definitely not inscribing the number anymore There's a in-case football blue wave auto devon duvernais He'll eliminate that last squiggle by the end of the year two of 20 It'll just be dd those first like these That's uh, also ravens. Are they just I don't know. Are they signing every running back? I guess so Joe reed 18 I say that stays the same all season that'll stay the same if he does sign anymore. I don't know Joe reed is chargers Diane Jonathan Taylor believe that it's colts one of 20 He'll keep his the same right? I think he'll go jt by the end of the season. Oh god Taylor that that'll almost looks like joey, right? Yeah, it does look like joey. I think he drops that I think of that joey t Colts on that one Someone needs to do an urb smith video. That's my favorite guy. Yeah, he's uh, I get one from urb It's like a like one of those morphing things. Yeah, they show it It was like he gave us an urb and a smith and a junior for the longest time and then nothing Yeah, then it's just is junior at this point All right. These are pretty Hard to find these boxes. We're only sold on panini's website for A short amount of time. Let's see if we can hit a dual pass in the torch auto All right, first one up. We have auto beckham number to 60 And karson wence number to 60 Yeah, my home's auto has gotten a little worse. There's eric kendricks two of 25 auto for the vikings Zach paul Is lou keekley a hall of famer? There's bob lily auto torch marks for the cowboys asa Number to 50 And we have an a keel harry to 50 for the patriots that's going out to zack paul Number to 50 rookie evolution. All right the jersey. Good luck. Do a little guessing game He made the hall of fame of pro football In 1998 He's an eight time probable selection Four time nfc champion eight time all pro selection nfl record This seems low nfl record 81 Interceptions in his career that seems low, right? That's an nfo career Well, I mean how many risk interceptions do the best cornerbacks get? I don't know four or five Right, but yeah, I guess four times. I guess a career is only 40 interceptions So you'd have to pick off 10 Yeah, like 10 for eight years. Yeah Redskins, I I just gave I don't know why they I don't know why they kept throwing to him Look at they got two teams on here. It's you can say the first 28 team. Okay It's not this team. It's not the second team. It's not the second team. Sorry. I mean, sorry It is the second team. It is the second team He made the redskins 70th anniversary team, but it is not a redskins jersey He's in his team's uniform on this one. He's in their ring of honor That's messed up That's messed up. I'm gonna show it. I don't think anyone's gonna show them the number Can they can they guess 22? Oh, that's a weird number for that position cornerback Yeah, that's a this is a running back number Yeah, no the cornerbacks are in 20s. Okay All right, but 22 is just so iconic Not champ Van Lee This is a older old old school guy He's on the redskins 70th anniversary. It's on the 70th anniversary Mike Bass. No, there you go. Martin's got it Paul Krauss 81 interceptions in his career And it's of course vikings edition On the jersey there that is uh viking Zach Paul. All right, so we've got a little good way Giving away this Barry Sanders on card auto From the defunct tops five star 2014. Miss tops five star. Miss it So this is a pretty good one Especially for those who went hitless all teams are in so even if you did get some hits You're also entered into this one So I'm gonna take all 32 names Let's roll the dice Two dice and go three times. Nice and easy top name gets the Barry Sanders one. Good luck two Third and final time.  Congrats. You got the jersey too, right? Yeah So there you go. Pretty nice break for you Zach. There's the Barry Sanders as well So thanks everybody for getting in appreciate it. That was the 27 box multi-year monster football mixer


So we're here at Mobile World Congress. Hi. Hi Nicholas, how are you? You have a really nice big booth right here. Thank you very much. We tried to improve on CES at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona now. So the Cosmo is coming? Yes, so we're showing the sample of the Cosmo outside screen. So showing the bits of the UI and how we see these things working for the new Cosmo communicator that Planet Computers is launching later this year. It's approaching very fast, right? It is and I can happily say that the PCB is actually going into the first production run, well first run actually it was closed on Friday so it's going into production now and also we closed the mechanical design which means that both the mechanical design we can go into tooling and we can go into production of the PCB for the first prototypes, right? So this is very exciting because a lot of things have now been fixed. We've got a lot left to do in terms of changes, etc. Hopefully, hopefully. But I think we're pretty much on track which is good news. Stable. It's going to be stable. Well, it's a new device. We hope it is extremely stable, yes. And then I saw you have partners at the booth right here. Yes, so we're very pleased to have Oxense with us. For the Gemini, we have a few announcements this week. One announcement is that we will launch, we're launching the Android 8.1 on the Gemini. So at the moment, Android was shipping with Android 7.11. Now we've achieved GMS with Android 8.1 so we're extremely pleased with that and there are some versions that will be available this week. Let's say candidate release versions from our support website. So look at support.planetcom.co.uk for the new 8.1 Android for Gemini. But as well as that, we are announcing some new things and one of them is with our partners Oxense who are very pleased are joining us at the stand this year. So we can walk towards them and see a little bit. These guys from France. That's correct. So it's a great company. We have a great system called Oxi and basically what happens is when we're looking at the Gemini, if you plug it into a large screen. So it's right here. Yes, if you see the Gemini here. And then you have a PC mode. When it's plugged into the large screen with HDMI, with our HDMI cable, we can create with Oxi the window environment so we can get multiple applications. But maybe before we have a demo, maybe we can introduce the team. So Jeremy. Hi. Hi. I'm Jeremy and I'm a city of Oxense on the lead developer of the project. Nice. And hi. Who are you? I'm Laurent Frès. I'm co-founder of Oxense. And I'm a developer of Android at Oxense. So you are using the Gemini PDA right here. Yeah. And you modified something so you have a full desktop mode and second display. Yeah, yeah. As the Gemini PDA has a HDMI out, sorry. We can connect it to another screen and then with modification of the system. We added our software. Let's resize the windows you can show. So we have a full desktop environment with a resizable window. And you have access to all the Android application on the phone. And you have also access to remote application, virtual application. So those are all the apps right now on the Gemini PDA. And then you have some extra apps that are running through the cloud. Yeah, yeah. So all the apps with a blue dot are running on the cloud. And all the apps without are the apps from the phone. So, for example, I can launch to an app which is on the phone. I don't have much connection. So maybe the Wi-Fi connection is a little bit slow? Yeah, yeah. But I have access to Excel. I can launch, I have long ribbons running right now. I can start work, for example. With the 4GB of the Gemini PDA, we can launch a lot of application at least 10, 15 applications without any issue. And you can still use the phone at the same time. And this is just using their Type-C to HDMI adapter right here? Yes, yes, yes. And at the same time, you want to be charging? Yeah, you can charge it at the same time. We can disconnect it, that's okay. And this one can also maybe be used for a hub, I think, maybe? I don't remember. One of the two can be used as a USB underground. And it's still the full Android here? Yeah. At the same time, desktop mode? Yes. And it's smooth? Yeah, it's smooth. And do you want to talk a little bit about... So what are some of the challenges at Oxen's right now? You're getting the software to work on many different things? So we are actually working on bringing digital workspace to Oxen's. Yeah? Yeah, we are working on a new application, a Windows application, like a new device. So you are connecting remotely to a cloud system? Yes. That runs full Windows apps? Yeah. Like this one? Yes. It's a full GIMP, desktop GIMP? Yes, it's a full GIMP. And it feels like a local? Yeah. It feels like a local? If you are another in a trade show and you have a good internet? A good internet connection? Yes, it's really good. We have less than 50 minutes of latency, usually 20-25 minutes, so it's quite fast. For professional usage, it's quite efficient. Are you able to do all your work on the Gemini PDA now? Yeah.  Yeah, you can. Actually, I was talking about some people from the Gemini before, to be able to flash on the work on devices from the Gemini itself. Flash? Yeah, using the Gemini to debug other phones. You're doing that? No, I haven't thought about that, but I think I might try it soon. But yeah, for an office environment, the Gemini PDA plus Oxy, plus the digital workspace, you have a full desktop environment, a full productive environment, and all your usage is one device. And so you just come to the office, you put it blank, blank, desktop, do your work, and then pull it out, all your apps, not the Windows apps, you cannot have it in normal Android, only in the desktop. Yeah, you have it only on desktop. So for example, if you are somewhere with Internet connection, you can work with the full Windows application, but when you're on the go somewhere where there is not so much Internet connection, you can just use the local application, which might be a bit less efficient than the real one, but you can still work at the point. And when you will get some connection back, you will just start again to work. It will synchronize with the digital workspace, and you will still continue to work on the same documents, but with the full environment. And right here, this is the laptop. Yeah. And you're running a BQ phone that has a Type-C? Yeah, this is a BQ Aforis X2 Pro, I think, yeah, it's a Pro. So can you show a little bit? Yeah, sure. You have all your apps? Yeah, so this time the same. We have all the apps available on the phone plus the application from the digital workspace. And we can still use the phone at the same time. Yeah. So this is to be seen if there will be a way to get this in here with the HDMI to DP converter. Potentially it could just work with a laptop too. Yeah. But then the commands have to go back with the USB. Yeah, that's a challenge, maybe. With that one, that's okay because with DisplayPort we get all the inputs back to the phone, so keyboard, touchpad. We could even have some USB inputs inside, SD card or camera, so we can get back to the phone. At the same time, the laptop can charge the phone. So there is just only one cable. And that's the magic of DisplayPort, of display connectivity, you just plug and that's it. You forget it. It's just going to charge the phone. It's not sure yet if this can be happening on the next version of this, the Cosmo, to do the whole... Maybe on the next version. But right now this one is on the desktop screen at the desk at home. This is a video output, but at the same time you have two USB-C connections, so that's really okay for that one. Nice. And you do it in 1080p, right? Not 4K. That one is... Yeah, this one is on Full HD, yes. Full HD. Maybe the Cosmo will run to 4K. I'm not sure. I have to ask. This is Mobile Watch Congress, so you're trying to get some... You want a lot of different phones to support the Oxy, right? Yeah, of course. So how many phones can support it so far? So far, officially. So you have a big camera here, but there is Huawei and Samsung have Type-C, but there was an essential, right? We edit working on a lot of phones, especially with the treble work for Android, so it's a lot easier to port Oxy on different phones. So the treble makes it easier for everything to get updated, though? For regular people, it should help them to get more updates. It's not really, really true in fact. Even for us, it's not really true that it helps a lot. It's not like life-saving, but it helps a lot for us to push Oxy on new devices. So we can port Oxy unofficially right now on a lot of devices, especially the Q, an essential phone, yes. We had it working in the past on LG and some other Chinese phones. Officially, right now, there is VGME, which is... How much work was it for you to make it work? You just know what to do to make it work? I would start to have a bit of experience on the Android system, so we know that working with different manufacturers of system chips can be difficult. For example, we know that Qualcomm is quite standard, but when we go to MediaTek, it can be a bit more tricky, but we are used to that now. Can you have a little app, a little icon here? When you click it, then it actually puts your UI here, or is that too much? Actually, disabled on that one, but we could. You could? It would be like a little icon? To have it working here? This and this, or you can choose. If you don't want to use an external display, maybe also run it here, you know, your UI. That's the main UI. Yeah, we could... Yeah, we can have one here or here if we want. For the touchscreen, this is actually in our roadmap for this year. So, just wait and see. Maybe some nice surprises in the year. Cool. All right, so this is getting smooth. Is there any updates on potentially having support for consumers to have regular consumers have access to this functionality? How soon? Can they just get it now? Get it now really soon with Gemini, for sure. And with other phones, it depends on how we can convince manufacturers to integrate oxygen inside. So you are having this beautiful, amazing, what's called desktop apps running through the cloud on the UI, just in a window. Is there any chance you could potentially run virtual apps natively? Or is that too much to change the Android to support that? Or, you know, is that too much? So, without system change, do you mean? Let's say to have Ubuntu support on new Android. Ah, Ubuntu apps. Ah, okay. That's way too strange. I'm a technical guardian and I like challenges, so I would say, yeah, technically, it should be possible. What do we need to do to make that happen? A big modification in the Android? In fact, I think if you have this CH route, it might be possible. Actually, there is some features that are in roadmap, but for specific users, is to embed the X server inside Oxy, so we can run a Linux application remotely by SSH. But this is like, roadmap plus plus. Because this phone is famous for dual booting? Yes. And I think triple booting and stuff. Triple booting, yeah. It's doing all these different OS. So, how can you take advantage of that, potentially? Good question. I haven't thought about that, so... Let me give you another crazy question. Because Windows Microsoft is working on ARM, you know? Yeah. So, what are the chances that we might be able to run some Windows apps natively on the Android? Good question. If we are capable of having the runtime compatible with Android, yes, we could definitely run Android, sorry, Windows application on Android. But we would need support for the runtime, the Windows runtime, which might be a bit difficult to have. For now, you have the first solution right now, just Cloud. Just doing a system of the Cloud, running the apps over the server, right? Yeah. At least for business, yes. For us, we have the best solution, definitely. Because for company, if you have application on the Cloud, you can use it. If you have application on Android, you can use it. And if you still have all the application, you can just run it through our digital workspace and then you can access it. So, in all cases, this is sufficient for companies. But for general consumers, we think about some kind of Cloud services for consumer grade with access to different applications, maybe some subscription to services. So, for photo editing, maybe for office work, we'll see in the future. So, what I want to do when I get back home, I'm joking, is I want to do 4K video editing using your system. And I would have a hub with my SD card, right? And how do I get the file into the app? Because it's on the Cloud. Do you have a Cloud storage area, too? Or does it just have to upload, stream the file up? This is in development, actually. It's a unified storage with intelligent synchronization. So, that means it will synchronize only the most recent files. And the most recent files must use it, most probable of use. And so, if you disconnect, you can still use the file on the phone. If you reconnect, it will synchronize both files directly as soon as possible. And it will be compatible with the file system of the enterprise. So, that means if it's a window file server, you will be able to use it. If it's webdav, you can use it. If it's something already integrated, like Google Drive or OneDrive, you can use it. So, what happened? If it's OneDrive or if it's something that already has a synchronization agent, like Google Drive or OneDrive or Dropbox, you can use it right now. Nice. You just click and the file is right there in the video editor would run. You can integrate it inside the digital workspace and you have access to the file from your Android application and from the remote application. Nice. So, how's this Oaksense experience for you so far? You've been doing lots of technical stuff, right? Yeah. A new career. Lots of cool things. What are you doing before? Before, I worked also on other Android systems. So, for me going into the system, it was a bit, I was a bit used, but now that we have more experience in development of Android application, complex Android application, but also Android systems, we have a possibility to help people, to help companies to do projects with Android.