Hey everyone, welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast Technically episode four of season two as we're calling this at the moment How you guys doing everyone and we have five people that I started no six packs today guys. I'm sorry We get a six pack. We had a seven pack last week. So we're averaging a six pack Averaging a six pack. So I'll take the average I think that that's good if you if you got to go over one week in a guest and then make up for it If it averages out to six throughout the year then you've you've hit your goal. No, there we go. There we go So when I'm below my average in the final episode is 20 people. I'm sorry All right, well, I'm your host is always Nathaniel Robeljans, mr. Nintendo Prime in the middle there you see Eric Moore And then we've got what is this? Mr. Sumbrow nation back part of the og six pack. How's it going? What's up everyone happy to be here? Thanks for having me back back Nate Yeah, it's always a pleasure to have you on and we got Andres restart. Good evening And then Mike Odyssey Buenos dias tamas y caballeros Damn it that means Good day ladies and gentlemen. Okay. I I don't I don't know. I barely know my own language I'm sorry. Okay. I took spanish one and then I took french one to get my two credits There you go. That's been too easy And first classes just just to get through just to get through Anyways guys, uh, so let's just get right into this since we have mike up. Hey mike. What have you been playing lately bud? What's up? I'm playing, um well I've been really into I started my island over and I'm crossing on christmas day You know, I was like, you know I've been playing that ever since in in in winter Which is basically hard mode. So for those of you who who who played and I'm crossing all the way through got everything Got tired of it start over again. We'll play in winter That makes it harder on every single level. I mean even the characters all say different things and different things happen So it's like another game. So it's pretty cool. Um that and then I I went ahead and started over Glory odyssey, you know, I started I started that I saw that out that announced me like, okay, so Do you want me to play again? So I'll just go back and just start from scratch and I want to see if I missed something or If something happens along the way that I didn't see before. So I'm like, hmm Yeah, you got the email and you listened. Yeah You got to do right. So yeah, that's how I'm playing. That's it. That's it Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then this thing here. I finally got my my my stadia controller So I can actually uh, you know, I pair with anything I want and it's actually the best the best controller Ever Now we're gonna get into google stadia I had some bad news for you bud. Yeah google stadia is dead, but the controller itself This is the only good thing that came out of this. This is the best controller.  It's like 20 bucks right now. People are just getting rid of them right now But it's gonna it's gonna go up in price pretty soon because google just released an update today Um for the stadia controller that'll unlock it. It'll make it a bluetooth controller for any device I already start. I already tested it on my on my mac works on my phone works android works Um switch works. It works with everything So, yeah, it works on c1 works on pc. So, um, it's really good very um I'm telling you it's the most premium controller. I've ever helped it. It has rumble They yeah, it does have rumble and how's the battery they did a really good job No, that's you charge it But the usb c There's a last one. Okay usb c is really good. Yeah, how's the how's the battery life like It has a headphone jack on here Uh, we just missed it. That's it. Uh, battery life is really good. It's very very good I don't remember last time I charged it. I mean for 20 bucks. It sounds like a steal Yeah, right now right now we can even find like 15 15 bucks people who want is getting rid of it You know their entire google stadia a little box stuff So, uh, yeah, yeah Just use code odyssey wherever you go. I check out Love it love it Andres, what are you playing lately bud? so If you guys have been paying attention the last few weeks I've been going through the wind waker in the last week. I told you I was playing twilight princess while I finished twilight princess hd On sunday, so the zelda verse discussion will be happening relatively soon um, and yes, I'll say twilight princess It I mean the hd version, which isn't that old Holds up pretty well. I I really enjoyed the game Um, I'm trying to decide which game I prefer twilight princess or wind waker, but it's definitely close Uh beyond that I haven't started another game since twilight princess I mean I play smash every once in a while mark or every once in a while So I don't really count that like I'm always kind of dabbling with those here and there when I just kind of feel like killing some time but Right now I'm kind of debating if I'm going to start baying into three or if I'm going to start elden ring I'm not sure yet Elden ring for sure Maybe what I do next Dundee'll no choice comes out this friday, and I'm and I may prioritize that so that's that's the whole other angle there But something I did that wasn't necessarily playing games. It is kind of part of like my sort of zelda build-up process to tears of the kingdom is I decided to watch a studio gibby film And the one I decided to watch was princess mononoke And let me tell you something. There's been a lot of discussion about zelda movies lately Watch that movie Watch it. It's basically a zelda movie. You're gonna watch him back. What that's calamity again What those are co-rocks That's linked with brown hair like I'm telling you you'll want the zelda team just stole all the ideas Who knew it? I mean, I feel like they inspire off of each other. But anyway, check it out. It's it's really really good. I enjoyed it Well, I mean co-rocks technically didn't exist in zelda until after princess That's why I'm like I don't know what you're talking about because I've seen princess mononoke But it came out in like 97. So yeah, like co-rocks weren't even a thought in their mind at the time So I'm just saying Jacked a few ideas. It happens. No, no, no everything is Yeah, zelda came out when the Mike Already that you heard it here from uh, like odyssey, uh I'm clicking on the wrong thing a real boy. Eric. Hey, buddy. What are you doing playing ably? I have probably gamed this week more than I've gamed in the last like Six months combined. Hell yeah Our core gaming for a week. How's it going? I uh went from probably 30 some percent in world three of uh sparse slope to Probably 25 30 percent of world four. So So Yeah, I'm I'm kicking her into I got into it. You're playing it. Yeah, it helps me sit You know three four hours in a you know waiting room waiting for park's hole, right? Yes, park's hole. Um, I tried I couldn't finish it. I tried Yeah, I love it. I love mario. I love rabbits. I just I just can't get it with the battle system It's not my type of tea. It's not gonna my cup of tea So I'm not looking I'm not looking forward to fire. I'm on this Friday No, no, I'm gonna pass I wanted to play it I really did want to play it because I I'm so intrigued by the story I like that the how how it looks looks beautiful that How how it's designed But it's just not my cup of tea when it comes to the strategy type of Little block keeping these moving forward like that I like the rpg style from the back in the day Where it's like three people here and then we have the boss right here And then one attacks and the other attacks and the other attacks And then you put a summon and the dragon comes and eats its head and then goes away, you know So it's like RPG I like I know not not the little blocky strategy move kind of thingy there and Not that I don't like little blocky stuff. I I love my my favorite boy board game is chess. So I love strategy You know Little blocky than that. Yeah, I love strategy. So I that's my favorite board game test But when it comes to games, I think I just I just like more I like faster games when it comes to battle systems faster battle systems, you know, either Either it's action slash battle like like breath of the wild is or Or it's turn base, right? Like you go. I go you go. I go pokemon Yeah, pokemon. Did you play did you play final fantasy 7 remake with like the mixture of the two? I did I did. Yeah, I loved that game. Love that. That's an interesting way to pull it off I kind of like that myself. Yeah. Yeah, I was worried about final fantasy 7 because I I'm what more before it came out. I'm like, man I hope they don't mess with the battle system because it's part of it. It's part of my childhood But then but then when they into this this new battle system, like, whoa, wait a minute. It's so immersive You know and so, you know, I love where you stand with xeno blade then You know blade. Oh, I like I like it. I like it. I mean, it's in real time. It's just, you know You pick your arts. No, I like I like real time. I like how everybody's playing at the same time and just Oh What was that? What was that thing? Um, um There's this line that this girl keeps saying every time.  Uh, let's watch something a bit meatier. I'm like, shut up, man. Just keep saying You hear that? I want something a bit meatier.  I I love it. Love it. So then you can't get demonetized for saying spark We'll spark you spark this spark everything So then sparks hope is now a swear word in the title. Yeah Oh, man, they're they're rating though. Oh It's got upgraded That's just a real uh, man, the streamers is not monetized anymore. Yeah, right Mark's can't even say that anymore spark Oh, reminds me of that of the dictator movie when he replaces all the words With holiday Oh, could be positive and negative you want hiv aline wait what? Oh god Yeah, let me ask you something So if they were to announce the new advanced wars and a new battalion wars, what would you be more excited for? I have no clue what battalion wars is Okay, so battalion wars was a spin-off of advanced wars. It was basically advanced wars in 3d So as the advanced wars as a strategy game was for babies So People mad No, I I kind of like it because it's a little more simple than it's like a couple moves couple moves here here So you say you like advanced wars more than fire emerald? um I haven't played fire emerald. This would have been my first if I bought i've never played fire emerald Yeah, but I just I just uh, you know a little When I saw it that saw the amenity that they showed the whole bunch of battle stuff Too many little squares. I'm like, come on. Let's do me little squares. There's too much stuff there You know, just just give me a person Punching somebody else and I'm good with that, you know Fire on the gauge is going to be hype just saying Yeah, I mean, I I bet I bet it's gonna be a great game. Yeah, but I mean if you're not in the strategy games I'm not gonna force you is there like an auto like an auto like if you just put put them to fight automatically And I can just watch to watch the storyline No, no, no, that would be good, right? That should be If you want something like that just do it easy mo and go get three houses There's a lot more story in that game I've never understood auto progression games like people play a mobile game and then it just does everything for them Yeah, you care about the story that much about these characters that you don't you know nothing of that You just want to have it's something about seeing points go up in the background and make some feel better I don't know. There's that that game style makes zero sense to me. They just want to win Yeah They had a sponsor a while back when he was like, look you can play all you know, you just leave it playing like that He was like you mean rain shadow legends. Yeah I'm like the greatest RPG ever made I don't know how do you feel about by those claims? I mean How about on muso games like to take age of calamity for example, which is really interesting because like I love age of calamity They're they're really good because one they they're straight up action games Are you doing everything in real time? But there is the strategy element because you can guide other parts of your armies to kind of handle a little bit that real time They're yeah the strategy element at the same time. Yeah, that's fine. I can guide I can guide part of the army while I'm doing something myself Just slashing on my side over here while they're doing their stuff over there.  That's a little bit how battalion wars. Yeah I don't like square plates. I like circles like a loop Like a loop There are people that are there are squares and there are people that are circles, right? How do you feel about mobile games? I love mobile games depending on depending on circles So what games? like pokemon unite um I don't play pokemon unite It's got circles It's got a lot of circles Let's move on I was I was trying to talk to eric about the gamey So eric You got got off on a tangent because well, I mean to be fair we had shots fired Oh Yeah, that was also amazing Bad thing it's not a bad thing. It's like for babies to get introduced to tactical playing no, it's just There's some legit strategies and yeah, my target was that that was the kind of game that would be perfect for him.   You probably have like you're you're you're in a rocket ship right now because you're like the number one search for Zelda movies right now Luckily, nobody plays advanced wars. Anyway, so you're okay Can you move this block move this block I mean that sounds like a Zelda puzzle. That's like a Dora. Yeah, don't knock on moving blocks, man. That's That's since our ocarina time. That's how you solve puzzles touch it. All right, cool. All right Um There's a giant eye maybe shoot it So Eric, yeah sparks a hoe. Yes. So now you're you're pretty deep in yeah, you're getting there. Yeah What what do you think of how's it holding up good? I like it a lot It is I just got through the my goatee research last year. I just got the big uh curse uh Cut scene so One of the first ones so finally got to see cursa I mean even though Nintendo was already yeah, you already knew she existed. Yeah The one that Nintendo showed in the the trailer. Yeah. Yeah, so I got to that point and then I was just playing and it just It was going and and I just was on a roll I was in a doctor's office waiting room and my dad had a procedure done and The doctor was two and a half hours late because he went to the ditch coming into work. So, uh, I had plenty of time to to play That's all right. That's all right. Yeah. And so like I said, I've probably gamed more in the last Me you hardcore gamed it for a few hours. Yeah, but you don't get to do no not normally And it's just as fun as I remember Just as fun as I remember That's that's terrible. That's just that's just that's just terrible. Yeah, uh, let's see. Um Summer what are you been playing lately same games as last time? But I will tell you guys that I think I figured out the perfect combination when you're playing a super hardcore game.   She's logged out. I'm only 32 But now that I'm at that 32 part at at violet My team's coming together the hook is set in the abilities are coming to get the story I I'm actually way more of a fan of it Minus the technical downside because the games crash for me legitimate people who say they don't have problems I don't understand it the games crash for me legitimately eight times at this point And and and I play primarily in handheld mode when I'm playing on violet Which by the way the OLED and then that grip that I got made a huge game changer for me I've played all the time in handheld mode now But I've been super enjoying going between those two but as soon as I'm done with those I still have to go through sonic frontiers, but after that I think I'm finally going to Andres said it but he's been playing through wind waker and twilight princess hd This whole time I've been holding out for nintendo to just give us that on the switch But since that's not happening anytime soon I'm for sure going to boot those up next after after I'm done with the current log of games I'm picking up iron bloom engage too But I I'm going to I'm going into that with morbid open mind because I've only played briefly a little bit of three houses And that's it You know be a little infuriating if like nintendo has a direct next month And they shadow drop twilight princess wind waker. It's like hey, you can play these while you wait for two To the kingdom this may like I'll just yeah, that's that's what's gonna happen I would actually be happy with that but at the same time You know, it's not gonna happen Mike has predicted everything that'll ever happen. It's gonna happen He'll eventually be right one of these times one at one time. He'll finally gotta check the different parallel universes That's what happens. There's a I can predict every game. There's the in the strike But but see predict and being right are two different things We all we all make predictions With accuracy Well, we're about to predict nintendo's entire 2023 come on up later on this show today I'll get my chance. I'll get my we Got it down We should definitely revisit this conversation on the the predictions after we get a clear picture of what happened in 2023 I almost thought it was going to be too late to do it. Then I realized, um, nintendo still doesn't say anything. So that's not true Radio silent, right? We're gonna have the n64 game. We yeah, we don't even have the n64 game for january if there is one So think about that if there's a direct next week in the shadow drop it. It'll happen There's no direct in january There might be you never know No, I never know. Well, there is a direct in january, but hey I got ballgales in the chat. Is there an update on this? You would you like to hop on and join the pack tonight? Let give us an update live I would I would like to clarify there is a direct in january, but it's from xbox and microsoft Okay, yeah And maybe nintendo related announcement there if they decide to shadow drop golden eye Well, you see how much nintendo is pushing. Um Uh, put our emblem on twitter and then they started pushing, um curbie now So that means there's no direct Um, they also pushed bayonetta Yeah, don't don't just discount that it they just push it means we're already announced conveniently the only game They aren't pushing is zelda Because it's a nintendo february direct I do think february is the month for the direct personally. I mean actually brand and I did our stream on on monday And I wanted to put like a direct expectations topic because I feel like with all the still like the zelda direct and All the speculation like I think people kind of lose out on what we actually think is going to happen I think everyone here pretty much agrees. It's happening in february. Like yeah, we hope it happens sooner But we don't I haven't placed any money on that like i'm not i'm not betting a january direct I'll bet.  Okay But um, yeah, I mean I I we can say the predictions for later, but yeah, yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there Um, I guess my turn. What have I been playing lately?  Whoops. Well, that that's probably not gonna happen The problem is it's a game that takes a lot of time and I I logged like a solid four-hour session and then I mentioned this before my fiance's like she's addicted to breath of the wild I I did it. It took me six years She is addicted to breath of the wild I've been telling her all amazing the game and she's like, oh, yeah, if he loves it. That's not the game for me I'm an animal crossing. I'm a big man. You know, I'm a sims. I'm like, okay Or a flyer. I'm a warrior. She really loves that game for some reason not the new one. She hates the new one Loves the the old one. Okay. Fine. Whatever your preferences are your preferences Out of nowhere. She decided, you know what I wanted. I'm just gonna play breath of the wild randomly Addicted she's made no progress in the game. She did get off technically the tutorial area I might have gave her a little guidance because she was confused for a moment because you know, she wasn't reading any of the text boxes Had to give her a smidgen guidance on that. Oh, I'm just letting her have fun.  So That's fun. Um, and like her best weapon being like a level four stick so She's like, how do you beat these things? They keep wrecking me. I'm like, well, I mean, there's multiple ways Do you want the easy way? Do you want the hard way in the easiest way? Well, I have this ancient arrow thing once I'm like, oh, you could have killed one with one of those Let me guess you missed and you never went to pick it up. Yes Okay, you could pick up your arrows when you miss And the ancient arrow is an expensive one and if you have it got one early game You might really want to hold name whatever. I'm like, these aren't even the hardest enemies. You're gonna face But I mean they do one shot you so I'll give you that um but no, so Uh, what happened is because she got hooked she keeps asking me for help And I'm trying not to help her because the whole point of the game is that thrill of figuring it out But She couldn't get out of the area. I kept trying to remind her you could just go to your minimap and teleport it out You don't have to you just leave and she's like, no, no, no, I have to get out. I'm like, no, you don't No, I have I'm like All right, watch what happens. Let me show you. Let me show you the shield method. This is the easiest method.  I'm running out. I hadn't played this game in forever All of a sudden I had five guardians trying to hit me and I'm sitting here like She's like, what are you doing right now? Like this is the easiest way to kill him.  I'm like, it's just a timing thing. I don't know. Apparently I never lost that skill It's been like two years and I can still do it. So I it's just a learned skill.  It was insane. I took a while out I was like, huh, that's pretty cool And then I went up against just one on my way out right by the wall Station every one and I got wrecked. I missed time didn't got wrecked in one shot I'm like, yes So I got back in I'm like, honey, just hit the minus button. You're not getting out of here. Just hit the minus button You'll be stuck here forever Anyway, she's got any shrines outside of the Yeah, she has yeah, she's she's got I think she's uh got six orbs right now Then she hasn't turned in yet. So she's on at least six more shrines So she doesn't when she comes across I'm the only one Uh that I helped her with and I understood it's the one everyone gets frustrated That one marble maze one with the motion control.  So I was like, yeah, or yeah, there's a couple tricks for it, but it's probably the worst one Yeah, I told her I'll I'll take care of this one for you. It's okay because I I didn't let nobody likes it And it's not really that difficult, but it's annoying Let me ask you guys a question when you play Breath of the Wild What do you focus on when you're upgrading your stamina and your health? I always just go straight stamina I'll worry about hearts later because I don't care about the difficulty If anything less life the better but being able to move and run and climb as much as possible as quick as possible is Way more fun for me That's almost exactly what I do, but I'm a little bit more balanced I'll try to build out like a couple stamina wheels And then I will build out like six or so hearts and I'll just leave the hearts at that until I Keep going on stamina because you you will start to get dishes that you can cook that give you the Extra hearts which you can do with stamina too, but I for some reason I feel like the stamina dishes are not near as beneficial as the extra heart dishes If you're just fighting one hard boss or enemy that you might get hit a bunch or like a Major test of strength or something like that. You can just beef up your food and you're okay But I agree with you I'm stamina first all the way because nothing nothing's worse than not being able to climb up a mountain that you Want to get to the top and It's just yeah, I like I like having stamina not to mention gliding places I mean you need you need a lot of stamina to get places faster. So Oh, I would say so my first time through I went about 50 50 um Because I mean reality is I within I don't know a half hour of getting off of the great plateau on a live stream ran into eventide island um I don't know how because it's kind of a bit away But somehow I just I was doing shrines and I ended up on that shrine in the middle of the of the ocean And I'm sitting on me. There's a raft here Oh, this must be just to get back. Oh wait. What's that over there? Can I go there? And then I just got screwed and I spent the next like eight hours in eventide island It is what it is on a live stream you know bomb kiting a high knock so um I had barely any idea how to use the bombs at the time it was um It's like I just kind of went 50 50 the first time through master mode. I went primarily with the Stamina because I figured more stamina. I could do more cool stuff But I mean it always you know, you get to the point you max it out and have to go hearts anyways, but plus I When I first found the master sword, I think I only had 14 hearts. You needed 20 to pull it. I think so um So then I started, you know, I wouldn't reset some stuff and put it in hearts But yeah, I don't know.  Like I had no idea like I know what affects climbing and gliding. I'm like, I I don't really know how much I really need And you find out like late game. Yeah, I need quite a bit like I'm constantly making stamina food Like I need quite a bit I think I started out kind of going 50 50 until I realized I needed them The stamina and then kind of focused more on that and then I had enough hearts to pull the pull the master sword and I was like, well, all right, then Let's focus more on the stamina and kind of just push it out from there and then Come back to heart and I can tell you right now. Yulia's going straight hearts just straight hearts She kills everything with bombs. She like refuses to use the bow. I get all That's like all I used during the demo. Yeah, but the bow is fun.  That's the it's all fun. So I can't I can't argue with that One of my favorite things to do like the way I in general play like I run and bomb drop. So like, you know, in like the The crowd of of where are they keys the the backs? Right.  I'm gonna drop the bomb and once they're right above the bomb I blow them up. Mm-hmm.  It's great. Yeah I was like, yep down there done that Though is that when you get bomb plus the blast radius becomes larger and it becomes more damaging So if you're already used to kind of like this certain spacing and timing will drop in the bomb When you upgrade instead of you feeling stronger more powerful You're going to find yourself blasting yourself and killing yourself way more often, which is kind of funny Nice, yeah, um, what did you do Mike? What did I do? Yeah, did you go stamina? Did you go hard?  My favorite game of all time. We're talking about We're talking about willis. Yeah. No, I went hearts. I went hearts. Um, I I went hearts And then I think I was actually kind of Two hearts one stamina three hearts One stamina. I was like kind of like, you know, like like like little by little Um, but at one point I stopped getting anything and I just started just going for shrines I've tried to get as many shrines like I know there's 120 shrines and I'm trying to get all 120 shrines Um, and I start saving up on my all my little, um, what do you call those little things that you get in each shrine? yeah, my I started just Saving them for some reason where it is, you know, because I already had that the the strongest armor, which is the ancient armor I that that's the strongest one, right? this is You know, um, where you go up there to the mountain with the Scientist people and then you have to give them all your money and they give you each armor Before that you have to kill a whole bunch of little spider robots and then take all the little Stuff that they leave drop behind and then go over to the to the To the scientist people and then you know and then get that armor on and Yeah Did you guys ever get the fierce dds link armor that you can get from the amoebo chip? I ordered spoofed amoebo nfc chips off of ebay. Don't tell nintendo and uh day And then I did the trick where you set your clock forward 24 hours over and over again So that way you can just keep grinding it out because it's just totally random on on if you get the pieces of the armor But it's the same as the barbarian armor effect where it gives you a tack up and then link just looks I mean like yeah, I do. It's such a great version of link. That's my favorite version of link Super Saiyan link is the closest we've ever come to that Nice Yeah, was that the question? That's it That was it. That was the only one who didn't respond yet. So I was just throwing that out there All right, well, let's get into our first topic. Hey, we got some some big topics today this first one is It's basically about what when we think that the new hardware is coming but the the The story sort of just begins by just talking about how else which It's doing I guess at present the npd report come out It was number one for the last five weeks So it beat out playstation 5 and unit sales not in dollar sales, but again, there's a massive price difference So not a surprise there And then xbox was number three overall in 2022 Which was the best selling system on the npd report. So that's us sometimes a little bit of canada thrown in there We also it was also the number one selling in the final week of 2022 it passed ps5 to be the best selling system in the uk It also is the best selling system of all time in france like nothing's ever sold better than it in france So it's already broke records there. So if we're you know in japan the don't even need to mention It's been number one since it came out And technically I went back and looked it has been number one overall for the year on the npd Like four times five times something like that. It's insane It's basically since it came out. It's the best selling thing that's Existed in gaming still As we enter 2023, but I think that brings up that interesting point of When's the right time to bring that new system? I know a lot of us want it soon drop it with zelda drop it here drop it there But like it's undeniable the sales are incredible the software sales are even more incredible Nintendo's never seen software sales like this for a platform The ds they they've seen but the software wasn't selling like this on the ds. This is insane. Yeah Fastest selling game in nintendo history Wait, which is more expensive than ds by twice right 300 verse 150 and Games are 60 verse 30 So because 3ds games actually went up to 40 back then I believe handheld games were 2099 at least in the west So like literally switch. I mean obviously, you know inflation and all but like Switch systems and games are twice as expensive as ds and yet the numbers are comparable Hmm Software is better and pokemons out there selling the same game twice at 60 bucks with their with the versions Yeah, yeah, I bought them both. I have I still haven't played the other one. I bought in both Yep, you know genius. Yeah Hey, I might need your help to get up to finish my pokedex. So keep that It's kind of this incredible journey like they have this i'm here for You know how nintendo pulled this off and just had the right mix of hardware and software You know best selling Kirby ever last year. It looks like zeno blade 3 is probably about to be the best selling zeno blade It does look like spittoon 3 might even have a shot to get past platoon 2 by when it's all said and done Initial tales will know for sure where it's sitting on february 7th. That's when nintendo does their their holiday quarterly update So then we'll get the updated numbers there if it's if it's around 10 million It'll have a it'll have a nice shot there. It was already pretty close in the last update they did so this is just a situation where It the switch was just this like perfect mix of stuff For sales, of course, although a lot of people argue. Oh, it wasn't perfect. It was dated. It was this now It's extremely dated And yet it just continues to sell It just it doesn't seem like much is stopping the train other than oh now we're sort of out of covet So we don't have the covet boost and yet it's still sold At least projected so far this fiscal year to sell more than it did back in 2019 Which is just insane because 2019 was the peak year at the time Then close the production for 2019 That's great. So 2019 hit 19 million Um, and it's projected to 21 right now by nintendo 21 for the for the fiscal year so from march of 2022 to march 2023. Yeah Yeah, nintendo doesn't do the calendar year sale. Yeah, right, but then so but the covet year 2020 That's when they sold what the 28 million for that year. Yeah, and then 25 the next year 21 So yeah, it's trending down But as I noted this still kind of feels like it's a peak year Like if 2019 was the beginning and we're still ahead of 2019 we're still in peak years So I think the question is it's not when will they announce the the next successor is How like the how because you know, they have to Come up with a with a way to assure nintendo switch owners that they're they're they are okay They're they're going to be okay for for for a little bit, you know This is coming out, but don't worry. You guys are going to be just fine We're going to be keep supporting you for for just a little bit more, you know And we'll have maybe dual releases here Maybe offer some incentives on this on this console Like for example the 4k resolution on the new console and then just uh, you know, whatever Resolution we have on on our console now Side by side and maybe just a little more incentive on the on the on the newer console for to a lot to kind of motivate people to upgrade but I think anytime right now Is is a good time because I mean you don't want to We've already said this before and everybody we we we've all said this in in all of our videos Then I don't think nintendo wants to hit They don't want to go down and hit, you know Hit the bottom before they actually hit the you know lose momentum they want to continue that momentum and you know Into the next generation console and continue the excitement, you know So the question is how are they going to do it? You know what strategy can they use so they don't alienate the nintendo switch You know people who just I get comments every day I but I just got an nintendo switch old it but I just got you know What can nintendo do to make these new newer people who will just who just got their nintendo switch old it Or they're they're you know every console they got Feel safe about their purchase at the moment That's an interesting point. I want to expand on that a minute because I think I think The fact that we we think of these gaming companies and we think of Cross-generational releases like sony being the perfect example this time with jim ryan saying we believe in generations Then like we're still getting ps4 games released nintendo's kind of the most opposite of that trend if you think about it other than A zelda game being put out on the same system when they switch it over I mean we almost see no cross-generational support They always go on to the new system Sometimes a new media form factor or a new way to play and then we see legitimately No support for the previous generation other than maybe backwards compatibility when they've done that So that's my thing is like do they even entertain that idea or do we just get another scenario where It's just a couple of the games that are being developed towards the end of the switches lifecycle Launch on both platforms and then past those two months three months after that everything's out on the new console because If you look at history, that's Actually what nintendo typically does as far as generations, but the switch is also is also hybrid and that's uncharted territory So maybe they take a different approach But whenever you look at just them believing in generations quote unquote wanting to sell on the new hardware They do that more than anybody else Yeah, yeah, and I I when I said I said I say this thinking about what Miyamoto said that When they're developing their game what before when they developed games that they built for specific consoles It was very difficult to to make them Backwards compatible because it is just how they were developing maybe the software they were using Maybe the the os they were developing on maybe the code They were using to develop for that game is completely different from from others But this time this time he said is it's never been easier To for backwards compatibility to be a thing Um, I and I work I work for it with developers for living Um, and I could see what he was saying because um, for example, this os right here We have apps that you can literally once the next gen os comes up Apps you can just because it's the same os that's been being used Just moving on to your next you buy any phone download those apps even if you have a different gen os Let's say you have ios 15 you can go to ios 16 download Yeah, they're still compatible because we're still running under ios, you know So when it comes to software or however they're developing or whatever's running Whatever whatever system is running, uh the switch whatever os is running the switch Maybe it's the same os moving forward to the next console But uh, you know taking advantage of the hardware rather than just uh, you know Getting a different type of os and a different type of hardware that that is uh uncomfortable with with prior games So when he sat down like wait wait, so basically they're developing They're using an os for the switch. They might move on with they're just they will just probably build on That same os that they they run on now So that prior games can still run on it and then future games can perform better on it So yeah When I read that my interpretation Because it was in reference to virtual like virtual consoles was mentioned like and at least From the sounds of it like it feels like it's fair to say from that from what he said We can almost safely assume that in terms of the nintendo's online infrastructure and a lot of their Their retro games that's likely going to transfer over Where there's maybe still some room for debate is like the main games like the cartridge games will the system be backwards compatible But I still feel like that that conversation what he said is still sort of I mean he he's saying it's easier. So if it's easier now in the past and they've been able to do it in the past But he also He also didn't promise that nintendo would do it right right He also stressed that they they focus on creating new experiences and that's what they're best at Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I I honestly think it's a coin toss if we get it or not Yeah, but I will say this is kind of going back to just like talking about when or if we could see like the switch to Yeah, this is actually kind of actually a little bit of a teaser for a video. I'm probably planning tomorrow unless something crazy happens tomorrow morning Um, but I was looking at some numbers Okay, big people like to talk about oh, it's too it's too early for switch and nintendo's handling different from other systems But maybe one of the best comparisons for switch is the nintendo ds So the nintendo ds came out in late 2004 and it wasn't followed up until Early 2011 so it had a six and a half year span where it was the dominant handheld system interestingly though When we take a look at numbers at the five-year mark at late 2009 the system had sold about 125 million That's actually a little bit more than the switch and a year sooner, right? So it was actually selling really fast, but keep in mind it was 150 dollars system. So it was cheaper The 3ds was announced just a few months later early 2010 Came out a year later But the point is ds was selling really strong at five years 125 million And then after that still sold of almost a nearly 30 million But they announced the 3ds about five and a half years into the ds's life cycle And the ds still went on to sell almost another 30 million systems. So we look at switch now. It's not that different We're currently about we're approaching the six-year anniversary, right? So it's a year later and right now we're hovering around 100 to 121 million systems out there, right? So it's a it's fairly comparable And we still expect switch to go on strong the ds was still going strong at that point And yet they still announced their next system the 3ds so This argument that nintendo won't announce A new system when the switch is doing really well Well, the best comparison we have in terms of sales numbers and and momentum is the ds It had a longer lifespan the most other systems that sold more than most other systems And it was still thriving when they announced the 3ds. So I think I honestly like based off that my perspective is like if it's not this year at halfs It has to be next year like we are saying is that like honestly is a hundred percent right in his prediction on nintendo announcing In the month of march or april For the next gen console Honestly, I think that's not a stretch. I don't know. I don't know if it'll be that soon But I do I do feel there's a really good chance that happens this year I have a huge huge like gut feeling That that march in april is a big month for nintendo I'm not because of my movie But something else. I don't know. Maybe maybe maybe it's just a zelda blowout. Maybe it's a zelda direct Coming out before the game But something is happening march or april a lot of people a lot of people that are insiders will tell you that you know Maybe expect it next year right, but I I I feel like it did were we're close I consider my insider, you know, I consider myself an insider march march or april We're going to get the tears of the kingdom oled announcement.  There's some questionable stuff around the box whatever but I I do think that if we're to believe some of the insinuation that Developers once upon a time heard about a more powerful switch That it didn't happen the oled model was probably that and nintendo probably now is going to crank out special editions on this thing And maybe throw a curveball and do a switch light oled edition next year And then we I do think that we can't go any further than 2024 like 20 if if we're not getting anything more powerful in 2023 And I think most people are now thinking it's either going to launch something alongside of tears of the kingdom with more powerful hardware Or if that doesn't happen, then we're talking about a true next generation successor And as we should be at this point in time And then I think it has to do you don't write out Declining sales for two more years and that's not even just me saying that as a fan Like it is going to continue to go down Like if nintendo starts to hit that 10 million which still isn't bad But in a single year 10 or 15 million unit sales that's still a pretty big decline And if and if they are going to build out the back half of like this transitional phase I mean they have to build stuff for the new hardware if it's a true next generation break So you can't you know, they have to strategically time that right and I just don't think they wait longer than 2024 But that's my that's my thing with it. But I I would be I mean, obviously I'm hopeful it is 2023 And I'm hopeful that that's zelda cheers the kingdom oled is not That leak was not real and that it is more powerful hardware But I I do think that nintendo knows that they can last longer with what with the current family of systems I mean, I also think there's there's a scenario where the oled could be real And we still get a switch to like say like november right like that that could still happen And that's with mario, but let's let's entertain the idea that there isn't a new system this year, right? Let's entertain that idea In in some ways it would make some sense Because we just got swatoon 3 That's that's it gonna be an evergreen title pokemon scarlet and violet That's gonna be an evergreen title and tears of the kingdom is gonna be an evergreen title So and we've seen like for example, andy roberton has said that tears of the kingdom Is supposed to be the last major switch game, right? You didn't see my air quotes There you go, right so like um Those are bunny ears I think if if that is the case they're gonna want these games to have some room to sell and I If they were to wait till say like holiday 2024 I feel like that would be giving these games enough Breathing room to take advantage of most of those evergreen sales while switches the main system for nintendo But on the flip side You're running the risk of getting down to 15 10 10 million systems per year if you wait all the way to the end of 2024 Which I I mean, I would if I was nintendo wouldn't want that to happen, but you know Like that's that's kind of the risk you're running the longer you wait to you wait to the point where you start to actually lose momentum I don't think nintendo wants to lose momentum I think the idea is to hit while momentum is still there Which is why I brought the ds situation because five years it's a ds's life cycle It sold 125 million and then they still announced The three ds a few months after that five years in a few months and the ds still went out to sell another 29 million systems But they got ready for their next system and they they didn't just wait for it to die so you know, I I don't think we're gonna wait until switch is like at Operating at like 40% like sales rate as as it was during its peak or something I think they're gonna they're gonna do it before it dips that low Do you think it's possible that they see it different though because of their software attach rate on the switch because if they're looking at profitability like even though the number sales and units are going down They're still raking in a ton of profit every time a first party nintendo game drops, you know, they're in a unique not to mention They're they're with the expansion pack and the base tier of nso That's a whole new revenue stream that they haven't had before It's just weird because I mean it's hard to predict anything for sure because this is uncharted territories And they've never been in this kind of position before as a company Yeah, um, I mean it's a good point, right? Like they may look at as more of the just like how much dollars are coming in right? Like they're a total revenue and not just like per hardware per software like in total like how does it look? and yeah software sales are Really good right now like because they're like so many people buy there's so many people out that they already have a switch and they're buying games Like what was that that stat we got a few months ago that like over 90 percent? The switch users have you have been online in the last year Like that's that's that's a crazy Crazy number to consider that 90 percent of switch users are active users And that's and the 10 percent or at least nine of nine percent of them are probably the broken switches That are sitting in a closet somewhere that never got repaired, you know But it's 100% sure that they are thinking about finances with uh with the ceo like furukawa.  He's like tim cook. He's a tim the tim cook of okay I see nate's nate's face. They're trying to find a counter to it, but i'm gonna still gonna say it It's a he's a he's a money guy. He's like tim cook He's gonna find out the best and say safest way to transition. All right, I got mine. Are you? Yeah, he's he's gonna find the best way to transition the safest way because him That the only important part of him is keeping the shareholders happy because he's a money's guy He goes, okay. What what can I do? To keep the shoulders holders happy make make sure the stocks stay where they are You know, they just split the stock, right? So it's it's a good time to buy it by the way guys So buy a nintendo stock before mario movie.  Anyway, so, you know I like I like investing so I like the the right time to get in before it hits A high and then I sell and I buy again at low and I sell a high, you know, that's how you do it But anyway, um, you know, he is thinking about the money, you know He'll show me the money because the money talks and he was he's gonna make sure that he doesn't do the wrong move you know, he's not Like the prior president who was I think more I think a little more passionate about content when it comes to media and more um, you know create creativity He is more financial driven and and and taking it one step at a time You know, I mean, what's the next step that they can take that Could could compliment the prior step they took instead of just saying let's do a 180 and hope for You know, hope for the best, you know, I mean they want to make sure no we need to take it easy Think about what we're gonna do next. How can we protect this all these people? They're all these accounts, you know, and how can we move forward? Um while still maintaining the momentum we have all right, um tag I don't have a counter to anything you said I I've said for a long time that I think For akawa. I mean he he was a financial person. He was he was an accountant basically That's what he's done at nintendo well these years and for other companies before nintendo Uh, he has talked in the past about not wanting to fall off a cliff that this transition Would it be very important to not mess it up? There's even been Supposed things that maybe he was a little bit afraid of the transition I don't know if that's the exact terminology that he used to investors. He never tell investors you're afraid So I don't I don't think that was the exact words. He was cautious Cautious, maybe yeah, or or just or just making sure they do they do it correctly Uh, because you have to be out there like still saying hey We got a you know like they asked him about backwards compatibility and he's just like hey We got a release new hardware that gives us possibilities never seen before and a lot of us are like that sounds like going You know the we we use switch Then something else crazy different again because that's what miyamoto does But miyamoto is also not in charge of the hardware anymore and hasn't been Since the we you because the we you was his idea And he failed to prove that idea throughout the course. I mean he was even forced so hard Start he grew in star fox zero, bro Like he tried he was full but he was forced he was forced like nintendo's like hey This thing isn't selling this was your idea. You need to prove it and then he tried to prove it and it just You know how he probably wanted him to buy a car because he was the most valuable employee I'm like after the we take your bike just write your bike You know if I get to go man See but there's something about that that it's kind of interesting thinking about like that history It was almost In part of it sort of felt like an ego play and i'm not blaming miyamoto himself But like just maybe a grouping of people at nintendo because you look at skyward sword Not one of the best sling zelda's despite the the install base And they tried everything they could to prove that most controls would be the ideal setup for a core centric nintendo game and Skyward sort was divisive amongst the zelda community. You know i'm not saying motion controls aren't a fun alternative But I mean I think history has spoken for itself We don't do it and then you look at things like star fox zero like they really tried to like hey this is like a really cool idea And you know it had mixed reviews why because yeah, it was a neat idea But having to look at another screen That's not directly connected to your current screen like the d it works in the ds because the screens are right next to each other But when the screens are separated and you have to look back and forth It doesn't work for a lot of people. I'll make you think that's a lot Say that again That makes me a lot, you know, so Yeah It does do that. Well, the There were some games like I think that did it really well Um, I bring this one up all the time zombie you fantastic use of the game pad utterly fantastic because It's a horror game and it added to the horror the intensity of what it would be like in real life Where you need to focus and like do this code on a number pad while zombies are coming to attack you And there's impossible in real life for you to look two different directions So it was really like messing with you and it worked in that game Unfortunately, I don't think it worked in a lot of other games And there was a lot of other concepts they showed for it when they were initially showing it off that they never actually Did a whole lot with It wasn't practical like yes, it was a cool idea But I think with how big the game pad was It ended up being a lot very cumbersome for a lot of people and it just wasn't always the best way to do it Sometimes people just want to sit down relax with a simple controller and just play their game Having to keep that in mind the entire time. It couldn't be distracting I think that just felt too wide if they redid it now without all the bulk around it And they didn't try to design all of the gameplay ideas around it I think it would have been a lot better if we had like something just a little bit wider than the pro controller with like a five inch Oled or just lcd not not it could be lcd or it could be oled whatever but Just a good looking display that you look down at because Speaking of wind waker and twilight princess hd like having your map in the dungeon on the game pad really cool And it actually you know it's actually nice to just be able to glance down and see which room you're in Where you need to go next and then same thing for the the inventory I mean it works perfect with zelda games When it's just something as simple as that but when you're trying to create an entire gameplay loop around having a tablet controller That's like where I feel like it's more of a misstep It works in zelda because it's like hey, you know how like in the game You'll see like link like will stop and look down at his map So you stop and look at your game pad But yeah, but if it I don't remember if it wasn't if it's in real time like that works Or if you're like not being attacked by a whole bunch of like pecoblins But like something like in star fox zero where you are in a dogfight in space Circling around with blazers going everywhere It's a little different So I get what you're saying. Um, I was supposed to be music I don't want to I do want to point something out. I saw on on nintendo. I'm sorry not not unique, but um, Mike Ozzie's channel Um, I I know a lot of us have talked about but like he keeps on bringing up like the patents And I was watching your video mic about the The patent of what looks like a smartphone That may be related to like vr technology and like what came to mind for me Is it okay that looked like maybe like augmented reality pairing up with a vr Like set so like the way I envision it. I can see nintendo having switched to And there's maybe some side peripheral device It's like kind of like how sonia has it like they have like a vr System that works with their main system But I feel like nintendo could do this where they have a vr set and that plays vr games single player But to have a multiplayer experience around a single vr set what they do is they're probably gonna have an app Works on your smartphone and through augmented reality They can connect and have some level of a low if a local multiplayer experience with that singular vr set And what that's doing is actually kind of going back to the wii idea of that That asymmetric gameplay where you have different kinds of players with different experiences So the wii you you had the gamepad which offered one type of gameplay experience But in everyone else with a normal controller or like a wimote nunchuck we playing differently Love nintendo land by the way was one of the best examples of that asymmetrical gameplay But with that patent If that's a done idea they actually go forward with I could see them going back to that asymmetrical gameplay that they experimented with on the wii you but through vr with a vr system and using phones Which we already have having an app and using augmented reality to work with it. Yeah, that'd be good To further to further back that up too. What was that there was a company recently that does some of nintendo's mobile games Didn't they like either bring them in house or invest way more in them or something like that I remember there there was a news video. I did a while back But it's one in one of the companies that does a lot of the designing of their mobile games They are literally doubling down on and investing more money in and if not acquiring and With that and all these patents you almost wonder if maybe nintendo wants to get back to a two system Form factor but keep hybrid So then their two system form factor becomes or their two system lineup skew rather Becomes the switch, which is your hybrid traditional gameplay system machine and then a vr headset That they market alongside of the switch that Can talk to the switch and it's maybe similar to sony's playstation vr But then nintendo being nintendo wanting to incorporate the whole family in the room They make sure that everybody can connect with their smartphones and do an ar type of thing Like yeah, I could a thousand percent see that being a reality in two to five years You know somewhere in that in that timeline. I think that that's a likely direction that they would be headed I don't know how successful that vr system would be if I don't know I think vr is a long play. It's not there yet But I think maybe a lot of people think it might be there one day So like this does your in your mind in your opinion Do you see it as like a like a separate system that works outside of switch Like if you never buy a switch to or whatever you can play your vr games with just this vr system Yeah, I well, I would like it to be that way, but I don't know what how nintendo would see that or power it It's definitely like either way I think it's integrated like it has the option to be viewed on a tv if you do have their home console But I think if they're smart they make it standalone Where and honestly even almost go oculus quest to where you ditch the cable because I think nintendo Will know that that something about vr, especially for me is like if I can feel a cable down my back It's just that reminder that i'm not actually in the world and I was actually more impressed with the quest too Even though it's like visually less impressive than the playstation vr the original that I owned Just because that cable wasn't hitting my shoulder. It made a big difference in immersion. I feel like nintendo would Probably lean into a cable-less Headset that they know, you know, it will likely be heavily adopted by kids and adults But a lot of kids are gonna grow up with vr being an option for gameplay And it's like fascinating to them so I could see them trying to do it as a separate Standalone console that just has the ability to talk to your smartphones and to their home console at that time Yeah, I like it when nintendo thinks about like our comfort like remember the wave bird That was one of the best controllers to this day that they got dude because they stole it That was worried with that make them anymore Yeah, yeah, they lost a huge lawsuit on that That was a big thing that was it just the wireless tech that they stole They're with the wireless tech. Ah, yeah crazy What we still wireless controllers it's about the vr is one of the patents they had Where they actually had the vr headsets in the patent It stated in the patent the headsets could be optionally connected through wire or wireless But it wouldn't be like the quest to where they're standalone It was it was connected to a device that was connected to the tv I was presuming the next hardware or something kind of like a psvr without the need for the cable There you go. Okay. I mean to be what nintendo was doing and giving you the option to wire And if you want which I assume with batteries are dead or something that you want to keep playing So that that by the way, these are just I Guys when we talk about the vr and ar stuff, this is stuff There's actual patents on like nintendo has thought about this and at least experimented with it At some point it might never become a product and I think I don't all of us could probably agree They're not just the the selling point of the next system isn't going to be Hey, it does vr now like it'll be an accessory. It'll be an option Um kind of like even nintendo labo actually ended up selling decently well But then it couldn't repeat the sales as they started doing more and more versions of it because you know I don't know who a nintendo thought look. I thought it was an interesting idea But whoever thought that we didn't need a headband to attach it to our heads I Yeah, I got a prediction. I don't don't know who thought that was I got a prediction you guys ready This is it's a prediction that I don't even know how confident really am in it, but you know what I'm just gonna just gonna say it So this is what I'm predicting. I am predicting that there will be a switch to If I'm not sure if it comes out this year if it comes out sometime next year But when the switch 2 comes out it will release alongside a new 3d mario that will be the launch title However This is something that's probably something you've heard before but this is this is the the the extra little twist Metroid prime 4 Will launch alongside The switch vr that will work with this switch to I mean the vr has that it's accessory that will be for the next That this vr accessory whatever it is is vr system that that's nintendo is working on Will launch on the same day as metroid prime 4 So It's probably a bad prediction, but you know, um, I can see metroid prime 4 being an incredible showcase for vr technology Yeah, I agree.  They don't have to do anything with minecraft. They just you know It's it's there you can play it and then you can also use the vr But sustaining that game this it's it's you have the option To be fair though crazy if primary master had it if if the Supposed that primary master comes out this year and it has laval support for laval vr But I mean v prime a while has it what's yours looking Metroid prime games are the perfect showcase for what vr tech it would be like as far as a immersive experience Like there's probably not I at least in my opinion To your point Andres, I think there's maybe not a better game that they could do that with but I don't think they will Yeah So risky that like metroid prime 4 like they don't need to do vr to make like I I think Nate probably disagrees with me on this so that's okay. He does But I view metroid prime 4 as as a potential Next breath of a wild and that may sound crazy, but think about this for a second There was a time where zelda sales and metroid sales were comparable go back to the game Q era They were comparable and there was a time where nintendo was a little concerned that zelda might dip in the wrong direction unfortunately with twilight printed started to dip in the right direction But after twilight printed became the best selling zelda game. It was a standard, which is what like eight something million But then breath of the wild Shattered that that that level so if metroid prime 4 Had if the metric prices had dipped in the right direction being close to twilight princess and then had that shattering moment Like breath of the wild Then it would be comparable in terms of sales today, right?  Oh boy I don't even like vr so sure I'm gonna take the I'm gonna take nate's role now. I'm gonna take away your real Nate I'm gonna say anything. Well, I was gonna go a different direction with this, but you go I'll take it. I'll take it. All right. So see The technology is not the problem, you know, the technology is already here. We can see it. It's there, but It's too expensive It's not at any at least it's not in my price point, you know, if I want to buy the Station vr2 right now. I'm not gonna spend $5.99 for it Never ever, you know, so for nintendo to to be successful with their vr headset Okay, they need to to to produce it at a at a price That is affordable for the everyday family, especially Especially if they're gonna buy more than one in household because they're not producing multiple devices Their patent was really about though if you think about it is Basically everything that's doing all the processing is that unit connected to the tv. It's your system So they're just wirelessly beaming that To a screen in your eyes. So they act that that could actually work in making more more affordable A $200 thing or something. Yeah Instead of having Instead of having the entire vr thing take place on the the actual headset Just a screen that basically could kind of receive the the signal of what's happening on the console Let me rewind. Let me rewind up and just kind of predict that the next console Will not be called switch See you think you're gonna throw a band in the branding Yeah, I think they will abandon the branding as as good at it as it is As good as the switch brand is I don't think nintendo wants to repeat the same mistake. I think they want to make sure that the people know it's a new console That's a number four. Yeah, it's a It's simple All of technology just adds a number. Yeah, but but but nintendo doesn't nintendo does That's the mistake is that they don't do the number exactly so they can't start now because it's too late What is a whole new thing The next switch is clearly the next switch is clearly going to be the switch for you. I mean, we're gonna say Now we've made a switch for you exactly. That's what i'm saying. They tried This is a new president though. He's not they're not gonna. They're not gonna make that mistake Well, let me ask you guys a question because I think this is interesting My belief is that switch two is is the right direction. I can see something else working But switch. I think makes the most sense but One of the reasons why I think that this is the best time to do it Is because I think this is really the first time that they've Established something that doesn't really need to be fixed or changed and correct me if i'm wrong on that Like we think about every other previous system. They were something about they're like, okay This is not working. We need to change it At least during the modern like during the 90s and onward like n64 They knew they needed to do something different Um, and that didn't work out gamecube. They needed to do something. They did the we And the we I mean, I think that tone knew they needed to do something different with that too because The last year sales were not strong. Well And by the end of the wee era It already became apparent that motion controls was starting to go more right and nintendo had not even Touched it. Yeah, so the we yeah, so the we I think they knew wasn't good Like the the idea of the we wasn't enough to like be a consistent thing moving forward So they tried the we you that feel the game boy advanced I mean, they could have just done a game boy advanced too, but they wanted to innovate and they did the ds and then the They did the 3ds Which I mean, I guess the 3ds was kind of like close that because the ds was was right And then they just basically powered it up and added 3d technology, which I think was a misstep Um, but then they made the switch I guess my my point is just kind of like thinking on it at least are the home consoles. They usually weren't like They they saw that the writing was on the wall for that idea And they need to do something else to make it work Because the we just we too probably wasn't going to do it but switch I think it's like the first time where they've had so much momentum at this late stage in the game where they're like, well People like this it hasn't gone old just a gimmick But yeah, it does but for a lot of people Live or not, there are a lot of people out there That if you name a console switch switch you switch us switch it switch whatever, you know switch to It's a switch. I already have one a lot of people gonna say Oh, I already have one of those when the Wii U came out Wii U. I already I already have one Like I know because I I did it with the Wii U and I was part of the problem I was part of the problem. Why the Wii U didn't sell. Sure. I didn't buy one I think yeah, but if it was me too Yeah, let me ask you Mike If they show me a switch call it to show me the same exact controller and show me the same exact joy con I'm like, wait, that's the same exact A lot of people get get get can get confused So Mike, do you think people are confused when the new iPhones come out and they look the same? Uh, no, because they have they have a branding strategy that from the very beginning. It's called the iPhone Yeah, three four Yeah, like we don't This is not from the beginning. This is this right the new beginning the iPhone didn't exist at the beginning Right, there was there's You can't say it's a new beginning because there have been other nintendo systems Not only nintendo is is is is known for changing the name of the system They even changed the entire controller of the system and they change everything That but see that's been part of the problem Is that nintendo does that if they stop doing that now that they have a fresh brand that isn't getting old that people I find would be really popular like every other device and you just release a two switch two It's so simple every everyone's used to that because everyone else does it Your argument your argument is that nintendo doesn't do it and that that's the thing That's why nintendo sales have been so damn inconsistent because they don't do what everyone else is doing This is the time to do it if you're gonna release the device try Try it with the we they fail so Because they didn't do it No, they didn't do it like like we you there was literally accessories for the we that had you and its branding It was called the we you draw tablet and it bomped And then this thing came out and it was advertising a tablet that looked like the ubi soft we you draw tablet I don't know you Call The switch and then nintendo drops the switch to trailer Here's my thing with all this is that if you look at it I think they tried it with the ds to the 3ds to keep the name Essentially the same because they had huge success with the ds And then it kind of worked but it was a big decline But a lot of that was their pricing stumbled to where they actually had Correct. And then the other the other difference on where they're at now with the switch to where they you can make the We to we you argument But that whole the whole problem with that is that that entire hundred million home console units that was the big Brand new people coming out to get nintendo's home console. It was all casual users They were just buying the system and playing we sports with their families like that's A lot of the audience they attracted It has the highest attach rate in nintendo history Well, but I mean, but you know, are we just talking about that because of the fact that everybody Understands motion and that it's it is a largely casual audience because I feel like nintendo actually alienated alienated What games were they buying like everyone that I know like in my family that owned a we they also had like Oh the madden arcade version and then they also had we fit and then they also had Right, uh, you know a lot of those we games are like super casual stuff So they were buying games because they had it But they were how much shovelware and games were released on the weed. That's my that's my thing your point like hey Um, what's the audience on switch? Well breath of the wild sold 30 million twilight princess only sold 8 million Back on we okay. Well, that's how about mario then oh mario galaxy 8 million. Oh super mario odyssey 25 million It's very obvious that there's a much bigger core gamer audience Right, I don't need this platform compared to we because the game or some phenomenon. We were mostly the casual ones Yeah, that's exactly what i'm saying Which is why they're in a way different scenario now with potentially branding it switch to instead of the we to the We you because they tried to pivot back and say this is the we for you our core audience our core gamers and the Average person out there did think that they were marketing a tablet add-on controller It had no clue what they were talking about and now we're finally in a scenario where the switch user base is dedicated The software sales indicate that on mainline nintendo franchises like your zelda's mario's animal crossings like they are all I mean, we're talking nearly 50 million units on a freaking we you game of being mario kart 8 deluxe sold on the switch Like they'd never have a core user base. They've never been here before it's i got my comeback I still have my comeback But so hang on before you say your comeback So if there ever was a time for nintendo to realize that they've stumbled into a iphone level of branding here It is with the switch device and if they're not dumb, which they they probably are because they're nintendo with Overly creative getting in their own way I still think that they call it they should call it the switch too Yeah, yeah, um Did you compare the nintendo to apple? The current and the current and the current would be the one that decides the brand Yeah, but but but they're not They're not they're not gonna do it. Um, first thing they call the switch to People will be like, wait, I have I already have two switches. They got three switches. What do I need two switches for? You know, so that's that I just agree with that. I think one two three four five six Understand the number not just a switch the next switch the next nintendo's next gen console Will have a different name is not gonna be the switch Switch was an introductory title to let you know that you could switch from handheld And if you could still do that, why would you change the brand name? Don't do that. For example, like, uh, the the the the we was like the we you know, we you kind of like, uh What was it? You wait the the the joy con. That's why I always thought like, you know, the the We both have some really funny commercials around. Well, yeah, they had like they had I saw commercial like We or that's what it's called like the we because you make that movement with the with the with uh, we more like Well, that that wasn't actually the point of the brandy, but sure Switch series Yep, yep. Yeah, because xbox is branding's been so confused nintendo's It's confusing branding they're changing all The only way people are gonna actually know that they're getting a next gen console And it's the name is not gonna sell the console You know what's gonna sell the console the console being good the console being A delivering if it delivers it delivers backwards compatibility great game 4k resolution everything people want that's what's gonna sell Okay Name it the nintendo cloud nintendo Oh What would have made the Wii U work here's one idea okay if we go back to the Wii U time Okay, assuming they stuck with Wii U like they're stuck with the Wii U name They could have They could have changed the name if they If they would have changed the name to another console like add another name that other than Wii I think it could have had Not that much of a sell but at least a little more than it did because I would have understood at least they would have myself like Wait, is that is that a Wii? Do you remember? remember um That that tech demo um for the Wii U that looks it was twilight princess on steroids I don't because I didn't care because it was a Wii for me. It wasn't really a Wii U It wasn't the next gen. Was it a zel detect demo or what did it just look like though? It was a zel detect demo. Yeah, the zel detect demo for Wii U. Yeah, the one where link is fighting a giant spider Yes, I can go on. Yeah, I remember it looked amazing like some people still think I forgot that that was for the Wii U Yeah Like yeah, but the point is like imagine if that was the actual game Skyward sort came out a couple years like earlier, right? So no one was talking about skyward story anymore They launched the Wii with that and their marketing was This new zelda only on Wii U from the get-go people would understand Oh, there's no way I could play this amazing hg zelda unless it's for Wii U Like that would have probably helped So people would have just thought I need to buy this tablet accessory for my Wii to play this game I was actually looking for it. I was looking for it Yeah, but that's the problem. The problem would have been the entire concept was a problem And then the branding was a problem if Mike is confused as you are Let's say instead of Wii U they released they released the Wii U as it was But it was they just called it we hd and they released it in 2010. What do you have been confused? They should have just gone away from the Wii title and just moved on Moved on your entire Wii library on it. It's not original. Just make it just announce that it's backwards compatible Let me tell you for marketing 101 you wouldn't you want to assure your audience of what you're delivering You want to sell a point within your next console? If there's something that the prior generation is upset or worried about The first thing you do is reassure that you tell them look this will do this This will play your old games This is a similar console, but it's not it is the next generation of nintendo consoles And then you tell them everything that it could do First thing you tell them everything that that this can do that this can also do and then you tell them everything that this can do That this can't do you you sell the new so it doesn't matter whether you call it a we a Wii U A we three a we four or a we five As long as you deliver and the console, you know, and people are not confused because i'm talking to us We are nintendo fans. We are used to this. We love we're attached to the name switch We we know because we study numbers sales how successful it is The everyday person in the house could care less about how many consoles they sold We because of the switch you you are you are absolutely correct, mike So when they release a new platform, they won't know it's the next platform because they still own a switch So they're still seeing switches out there. You have to make sure that you you actually Are sure that you are delivering a next generation console a next generation name And you are making sure that people understand that because I think a lot of the problems with the Wii U is that there was not That much understanding so people don't care much Can you explain to me why every company that maintains consistent sales generation to generation Uses a number and that nobody seems confused by numbers Let me tell you because it's been established from the very beginning It's a marketing strategy that they had from the beginning when they when they when they put out a device The device that works in cells well the next version of that device they give it a number Exactly Let's listen listen since the first iphone since the first iphone Okay, and and we guess what iphone was called the iphone that was it and then after that After that iphone 3g and then after that iPhone 3gs they weren't selling the number They were they were selling The technology but then after the iphone 3gs they went over to the iphone 4 4 Then they said iphone 4 s Then iphone 5 iphone 5 s they were establishing A way of marketing that people already understood Based on their pattern of release in the pattern of naming But when you have over 25 years or 30 years of naming a console after a console after a console with a different With a different gimmick with a different name You can't expect everybody to be like you and understand right away. Wait. Oh my god. This is the next gen Not everybody's like that name. This is not like the proper you think people are confused by switch to Listen, that's a confusing name There there will be people believe it or not believe it or not and this is not insulting the human race There will be people who will be uh confused you are correct, but I think that it's going to be so You think that you think the core gamer Yeah, the core gamer that plays switch isn't going to understand what a switch to is This is the thing nintendo's not targeting the core gamer nintendo's targeting The everyday joe the everyday family Nintendo the nintendo talk is everybody that that's the thing xbox playstation They target gamers and and a hardcore fans who like graphics and high power and all this stuff Nintendo they target everybody the everyday person who just wants to pick up a game Wherever they are and play without having to worry about The naming what it does what it does Well, let me ask let me ask you this mic. What do you think that the next console is going to be hybrid? Yes, or no, I do believe it's going to be hybrid, but I don't It's going to be a focus But here's the problem if if they keep the hybrid form factor They have to keep the name switch because it that isn't just writing what it is Confusing the market by changing the name of the hybrid system If it looks like a switch, but it's not called a switch Then that that's going to be a bigger misstep for them because they're not going to know What what is this thing and to your point? I do think that you can look at their history and say that yeah, they've changed the names a lot But I even think we need to talk about ds to 3ds. It's not like it is Un A characteristic of nintendo to try to capitalize on a very successful system and name it similar to the last system They always do actually. Yeah, they always do and maybe nintendo's super nintendo nintendo 64 that's on the bits. I mean that was probably Wasn't successful compared like you lost a lot of market share Right, so but but more often than not it seems like they play back to the previous name And then they're also I think everybody's on the same page that they're in A different market and a different user base today with the hybrid form factor than they ever were before So is this the first time that they realize wait a minute? We have something that we can continue to upgrade and expand upon this user base Similar to iphone and I'd like to give a shout out to matt and chat or sam Sorry and chat earlier who came up with the perfect name the switch to pro max. Yeah, you heard it here first David like switch you or new nintendo switch or something weird We got to understand too There's also a lot of gamers that right now you could talk about 20 years in the past The market has changed so much since then a lot of the people who are growing up getting into gaming right now Start on a phone or a tablet and they understand the iphone You know 10 versus the iphone 14 that's being sold right now like the the number system and and yes It's been there from the start with that particular device from apple But there's nothing that says that in Nintendo doesn't realize that what they have with the switch is a household name that everybody understands what it is So let's start throwing a number on there that being said we're talking about nintendo here So they can they can easily not do it, but i'm just i definitely think there's a president's gonna do obviously I think there's a strong argument that it could be named switch to or switch It does if it does if the name is switch That it is the switch it's still in the family of systems of the switch So Still be in the family But you know I went into this conversation Being the opposite knowing that it could be called the switch to but over But hearing your your your your your rebuttals, right? I'm more convinced now that it's not going to be called a switch I knew you were going to say that like it's good. It's so obvious like when people say, hey, did you get the new iphone? What the iphone 14? Yeah. Oh, did you get the new switch? What's it called the switch to like switch is becoming a household brand for nintendo the way iphone did for apple Like that's that's why it's such an app comparison because switch You got to remember about switch is it's unlike any platform nintendo's ever released It's the first generation that it does the handheld and home console together They're not supporting two systems at once they're supporting one Which is why the game output is so incredible every single year because they've never focused it all into one system So you have that you have the household, but you have the fact that we are entering year seven here in two months We're entering year seven And this thing is still selling peak year sales number. They've never seen this it's never happened in the history of the company It's kind of like when Hmm a certain iphone started taking off and started selling more and more and more and they're like We're on to something. You know what let's iterate on this and do an iphone two and iphone well That wasn't originally they eventually got to the number system But the point is that's kind of what you do like playstation They probably didn't know the next system when we call playstation two a playstation one caught on and it sold And it sold and it sold all of a sudden it's a hundred million sales in Yeah, we should probably not let that brand go and do a playstation two and playstation two did It's a whole place.  Sold worse than the nes did it was a constant downtrend until we and then we you as a downtrend from we 3ds sold half of what the ds did but think about it.  What is the 3ds? The it was the nes entertainment system nintendo's a brand entertainment system is the is the the console Yeah, it was called the nintendo entertainment system is on the mom called it nintendo though, correct It was called a nintendo to be fair everything back then was called nintendo Entertainment That the next console will be a nintendo Right there in the logo like yeah Yeah, I still I still disagree with everybody in the chat just just just for your information. I still disagree By the way, by the way, mike, mike, it Oh, wait, wait, wait before I say something I disagree Got it. Okay. Well, you probably do because i'm saying if you are correct And they bring out a system That is a hybrid and they call it something entirely different that has nothing to do with the switches branding It's gonna bomb that's not It's a new era new new new marketing. Yeah, we have we have social media You know what's not gonna bomb because of you because of mark because of andres because of erie because of me Yeah I'll talk about we you back in the day on a website that had way more viewers than I get here and it did not help I'll say that I think the idea of nintendo going in a different direction from switch is fun and exciting But it's also a risk and I think that when you have such consistent sales across both hardware and software far later compared to any previous generation From a business perspective, it just makes more sense to play it safe In terms of like that branding you in the family of systems. That's playing a safe continue in the family of systems Yeah with a switch too. That's right Something else that I think is worth bringing up is that the OLED right now, right? That is the best-selling current skew like so You know if that it's not even an actual upgrade It's just it's just you know But a nicer version right like when they actually have an upgrade I think the OLED bodes well for what the switch to can do like I think at this point what we're looking at I look at the OLED as as like that iphone 4s kind of thing like it's it's the Quality of life improvement to the current the current right. Yeah Yeah, or like the the ps the playstation is slim like it's kind of like that Right so and I think you know right now the nintendo could easily just get away with the switch too now I'll say this They don't have to give it a number. They could do something different They could call it super switch Yeah So it didn't work last time. I wouldn't work this time. There's there's issues. There's just several I think super switch would work But what happens after super switch? Super back yourself into a wall super No I can tell you how a completely different name Would work and would still be successful Yeah, I want you to say that I just want to make one point because this is the ultimate point I want to make because I knew We're getting that direction If they go in a different direction, they're taking a risk Yeah, they are but it could be successful. I agree. It could be successful They market it will it may do well, but it also may not but it's a really a successful brand Yeah, it's a it's a risk But if they actually executed well It's a good risk because what they have to do is Announce it with at least six six months six to seven months Ahead of time that way they can continue to promote the brand the whatever brand they're they're promoting They can continue to promote it, you know get us talking about it Get people talking about it get the media talking about it get people used to that brand new console Which they call the switch which we used to call breath of the wild too And so we we heard tears of the kingdom a lot of people want a breath of the wild too But tears of the kingdom is here now. We're all excited about tears of the kingdom We're even knowing about tears of the kingdom because we've known about tears of the kingdom for the past But one two three months, you know, people still call it breath of the wild too Yeah, but from here so so may how much time do we still have like four months left, right? Less than four months by the time it hits it's going to hit this is tears of the kingdom You know what I mean? It's about it's about creating brand recognition every new brand Start somewhere, you know, and it's about the marketing what marketing strategies they use In order to get the name out there to people to talk about they they pay You know, I mean the best marketing brand they have right now. Believe it or not It's us is content creators because right now content creators every single day create content related To their consoles to their games and if they really use the power of content content creators to to Expand the brand I don't call it breath of the wild I call it tears of the kingdom now every time I hear tears of the kingdom I look at the comments tears of the kingdom people are excited about tears of the kingdom because We continue to push what nintendo told us it was going to be called You know, so as long as they even if they create let's say I I agree with you guys switch two will be a better name because it's successful, but There's also a risk. Just like you said andres. There's also Who's a risk? I mean, yeah, that's what you think But I mean say I'm the risk on both sides to be fair, right? Because the thing is you run the risk of people getting tired of it Yeah, there's there's also the risk of people who like for example I know of this channel of this guy who who just can't stop talking bad about the switch He just he can't wait about he can't wait for the switch to go away and then on just restart Okay And then their comments their comments are full of people with the same exact mentality They though I can't wait I mean why did the switch and and will all they cover on their channel are games from Before the switch just because they can't stand the switch and they they can't wait for the switch to go away You know what I mean, we're up there with everything though. So I'm exactly exactly So I'm saying from a marketing perspective If if you want to create if you want to push the brand here's the brand is nintendo There's a next-gen console nintendo is going to release it and if you want to implement a brand you start promoting earlier You get the name out there you get all the marketing Points you hit all the points so that that name can be pushed out there and then What what's going to sell is how well the the console does what what's the what's the feature? What's the gimmick? What's what are you selling that's new for this that's making me want to buy it? It's not I got one for you. I know name recognition is a big thing But if if nintendo releases another sweet another console call to the switch And let's say this for example, it still doesn't have 4k That still doesn't mean it still doesn't have 4k sure like it's kind of almost But then there's a mid-gen upgrade path like oh led where they can go now it's a 4k Yeah, but I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying it's not enough To entice people to upgrade You know what I mean? So what's really going to sell is what can it do? Rather than what it's called You know what I mean? So This is where saying the nintendo I'm going to say whatever name. Okay. Just don't don't laugh at it the nintendo future Whatever, you know, I mean the nintendo future can do this. You're playing the future. You got a future Oh, I got a future all right, man. I just bought myself a My grandma put money into my stocks. Yo, yo, I was in the past. I was holding it in the future I was pointing on on the dock. You know But I saw a nintendo revolution was the coolest name and then they turned it into the we Oh I'm still scarred to that to this day Yeah, nintendo revolution. Did you got it? You got a revolution? Yeah, I'm gaming on the revolution tonight And you want to come over and play on we know, you know, that's where we went Let's play with my we Yeah And then they moved on to we You know, I mean I mean at the end, believe it or not It's off to the marketing power and marketing strategy and marketing gurus up there to really figure out how to sell it Do you have a codename for switch 2 yet? There is no codename No, no In development stuff quote unquote that's been leaked yet Go ahead. I mean so oh no So what I'm thinking and why I think it will be called the switch to is they're going to use that name Kind of as a double-edged thing I see the switch to as an accessory based heavy heavily accessory based thing Where it's going to be switched to ar switch to vr switch to robotics switch to this switch to that You know all these different accessories that you can then work with your same Concept of still having the switch And and and work off of that Yeah, that's good for marketing Yeah, and the switch to thing is that's a really clever right. I wasn't even thinking about it that way for I had brought that up before with another story where I had said switch to vr But I love it to whatever actually a really good You should you should be hired by Nintendo's Actually, yeah, that's a really neat idea if they are going to do all that stuff It's just an accessory based thing because that would also hey, yeah, it's a more powerful system But also look at all these things you can get for switch to vr switch to this. I like that Yeah, so I mean they could sell all their vr headsets. They can sell their ar stuff. They can sell You know robotics they can sell labo. They can sell switch to whatever x enter it here See, here's what I learned. Eric may not speak often, but when he does he brings a banger Let me tell you Let me tell you I disagreed with with with more with uh with uh with uh with andres and with nate But I gotta I gotta tell you man. I gotta tell you gotta give it to you. I disagree with you too But you did see you wanted to know what it would do and what's new you can market What's new with using switch to this? You're right, man Market what's new? I like it.  What we didn't tell a dad joke to kick off the the show Let me look when I hold up. All right. All right. Well, well, he will he looks one up Um, we're gonna transition to our next topic We're gonna just spend a little bit of time on this I mostly wanted to have this topic because fire alone comes out this week And I think it's a crime if we don't even mention fire emblem Uh had its reviews come out 82 on metacritic 83 and open critic at least to the time I made the notes Maybe it's gone down. Maybe it's gone up since then. I have no idea Uh, but what's interesting is all the reviews based to say the exact same thing Which is a very rare thing actually with reviews I haven't looked at many games usually the reviews all are varying opinions But the reviews all of them including the reviews out there that are a 5 out of 10 and a 6 out of 10 Say the same things as the reviews that are 10 out of 10 And that is the best the combat's ever been The ring system is amazing all this stuff is awesome when you're actually playing the game But then hey, it doesn't have any of the social stuff from three houses So we're just gonna knock a bunch of points off even though the stuff It's doing in combat three houses didn't have So it's it's kind of a weird thing to me because it feels like they're comparing apples to oranges because the games Each game focused on a different aspect of fire emblem because fire emblem engage now haven't played the game So obviously I can't give any, you know opinions on the full experience just reading the reviews it Comes across to me that fire emblem engages like classic fire emblem Three houses is more so heavily into the social stuff in a way fire emblem has has had social before Not to that degree So it kind of felt like they went in opposite directions with the games and obviously people have preferences for one direction over another So I don't know I just kind of want to talk about that briefly and then maybe if we think The our perception of reviews should change because to be fair an 82 is still a really damn good score Yeah So this is my take For most games there are some exceptions some exceptions But for most games when it's when it's when I know it's a concept I like And I see reviews all I need for the reviews. I'm not looking for a score per se I'm looking for is the game executed well And when the game's in the 80s that tells me yes, the game is executed Well, therefore I'm going to get it because it's already I already know what's the concept they want Now if it's something that it looks really cool like oh man This is a really cool concept, but then reviews come out and like hey look this They had a good idea, but they just didn't do a good job of the idea and then I'm like, okay Well, I guess I'm not going to get it like that's what I look for from reviews. I'm not looking for oh It's an 82. It's not the 84. I was looking for not going to pick it up like that that I think is It's it's a little bit of hogwash, right? Like there are some games that are some of my favorite games ever And they aren't reviewed that well because it depends on the person. It really just does it's super subjective Like I bring us up in this conversation ever comes up like I was I'm a I'm a naruto fan, right? I grew up watching naruto and I love the clash of ninjas series Clash of ninjas series isn't the highest rated fighting game ever But I was super into it because I got to naruto and I I got so into it to the to those fighting games that like I was Like paying attention to frame dad and stuff, which I can't even do with smash brothers Like so like the game was really good to me even though it only had like eight characters Like that was fine. So, you know, that was because I was a huge naruto fan Like I got into it because of that So I think it just depends on the person and really for me reviews are just Just to hear more details about the game. I don't care about the score per se Just I just want to make sure that it's actually good The exception though because I said there was an exception Is when I'm looking at a game that has the potential to be like Game of the year candidate kind of game or like master piece kind of game And it's not so much that I'm looking for the game to be oh Is it worth buying the game's already worth buying like for example Tuesday kingdom is worth buying no matter what score it gets but Because it's that kind of game I'm looking at it from another perspective, right? Like I'm gonna buy it and play it regardless of what happens But I'm looking at it for perspective of oh, is this game gonna be historic Is it going to change how we look at open world games? Is it going to be the best zelda game ever? Is it going to challenge some of the gaming greats? And that's and that's where meta critic scores come into play because well, that's kind of like One of the most, you know, it's it's a it's a collection of subjective opinions It's still like a numbering system that compares it across a large sample size to other games So that's where there's the exception where I pay a little bit more attention to scores That has nothing to do with the game itself for me wanting to play it just in terms of comparing it across history I just want to also note this just a fun fact Um the lowest review score for fire emblem engage Was by games radar Um, it is the lowest video game review on their entire website in the last three years Just imagine smashing the windows like I'm just sitting there.  Nope. They gave that a nice eight out of 10 and fire emblems of five so I'm just I I don't know I don't want to go into individual critique of different media outlets But I am curious like what what do you guys think about the whole review process? How it's handled how fans view it how media deals with stuff I have something on that because I think we we shift like we don't realize how much technology has changed in the last 10 15 20 years and you know, Nate you've even said this I think in previous videos talking about like Media passes for e3 and stuff like that like I honestly not to talk any kind of I mean There's nothing wrong with a quality Gaming journalists journalistic website that does accurate reporting and they've built up their brand over years But I do think there is something to be said for the honest and open feedback that a lot of content creators give in video format on a platform like youtube and some For some reason the metacritic scores and a lot of these Regarded scores are going to websites that they just pick a random person that works at that company to play that game And then somehow that's indicative of the final score that we are all talking about with it I think to andre's point earlier It's more individualistic than that and it's more like if you are a fan of this style of game Then you're probably going to rank this very high if you're a fan of these characters This is that there should be more of a shake up of the entire review process in my opinion Then what we have with like metacritic scores today And I think that it comes down I mean, I don't know how that happens because the problem is is like, you know Anybody can just start a channel and start talking and sharing their opinions And does that get into a review score mix one day if somebody does a dedicated review I don't know how you would draw the lines around all of that to make it make sense But I definitely put less stock In metacritic scores now than I would say I did reading nintendo power growing up or you know that I definitely just think it's it's It's a shifted landscape now and sometimes they're highly accurate I do think that some of the best reviewed games of all time Those are ones that I try to go out of my way to look do a little bit more research in Was it really revolutionary and there are some games that belong at the top of the 90s And I like that that's a rare score that not many games get But then I think like with fire emblem engage in this particular review process that highlighted this it It does seem like it's kind of shining a light on Maybe an aging industry with just who's reviewing these games and who's actually getting to You know go towards this point score system that we hold on such a pedestal right now And maybe that maybe not everybody does but I think a lot of the core gamers do and so maybe there's It's time for a little bit of a shake up in my opinion Or maybe the person who reviewed it Mr. Stone Wait, we can't have kids. No Not allowed I think I think the reviews even though some of them are more negative What I've read so far is actually makes me more excited for the game and to hop into it like they're trying to spin it Yeah, it sounds like And you're telling me it's the best ever Oh the story dude, I didn't start playing fire emblem to have like marriage and kids. I have that in real life. I'm good I'm good. I don't I don't need any video game. I'm I'm here for the gameplay I'll I'll say this when I play fire in three houses. I got invested into the story into the characters So I can envision a scenario where I play engage And if every end if it is the case that the story is super shallow and the character is super shallow Maybe I'll lack some investment Although I mean for what I've seen I still feel like there's still like relationships with these different characters that you build They're just not romantic Like I I still think I may find myself invested so I'm here. I haven't played the game yet So we'll see and then we'll talk probably talk about it again then But you know as long as I can still find myself getting invested into the game I may find myself enjoying it more So I mean the combat the exploration that's all improved I agree and I say this if you want to keep that relationship alive when I have those kids go back to three houses Just you know having many kids you want I quite like how it works, but I know you thought you're kind of game There's still there's still three other campaigns. I haven't done in three houses going I did one of the four so to your point. I could just go back to three houses Fall in love with someone else that I What what what campaign did you do a relationship by a pillow did aillgaard Okay, so I chose the what is the black eagles you're one of those people What is that? He's supposed to mean you're judging my personality based off judgments over which path they go down or which path Geez Yeah, watch out for hmk anything yellow He's just bad by his by his standards anything yellow. He made that very clear on the last podcast All right, oh He doesn't like the color yellow. Is that what it was? Because I didn't get it Okay, yeah before we move on Yes, I just want to say that it is interesting that people that reviews are Notably worse, but the game in terms of performance And visuals is substantially better. Yeah The reason why this seems a little hypocritical Is just because scott and violet From all gameplay perspectives story perspectives from every other metric Like it's substantially better over previous over previous generations, but reviews are worse Because of performance So it's just kind of an interesting duality there. I'm not saying it's unfair I'm just simply saying that there's that to consider. Yeah, they do they pick and choose what matters This game looks they've all said from a visual perspective. It looks significantly better than three houses But it's almost like it doesn't make any difference in the reviews But but if it looked bad, you know, it would it's it's it's it's a little weird. It's a little weird Um, do you have that dad joke queued up over there? I got a couple I got three of them All right, three back into it. My wife left me because I bought on new nintendo But i'm not even upset. I was it was ready for a switch Oh Next one. What was the only nintendo game series that really? Uh fell flat Paper mario The other one is we the invites mario over to play some nintendo switch as they get ready to uh to fire up some smash bros Mario Norse's luigi has a new avatar mario asks Say luigi what the kind of picture is that? luigi luigi says it's a me mario Okay, um, I mean, that's the way dad jokes go. I guess. All right, that's a little more because that was a horrible Why are nintendo players afraid of the fence? Because it prevents animal crossing Uh, okay All right, all right All right Um, let's get to our last topic here. It's pretty simple predictions 2023 what's gonna happen with nintendo games hardware Directs are they gonna be at e3? Nothing's confirmed there yet. I got my phone this year All right, so i'm gonna go ahead and start because I got my mind ready here Uh, and i'm gonna give you everything that's coming in the nintendo direct. Okay everything Basically, we're not everything because I know there's a whole bunch of farming games that are coming in there that I can't really guess because You can get some farming games as well But I want to start with the side announcements the side announcements are not full games Bar add-on to games. Okay, or they're they are they are Not on switch Okay, my first prediction is platoon 3 dlc. It's coming to the nintendo direct. It's gonna be announced Okay, patin was out Got it. It's there My second it's gonna be a mobile game a brand new mobile game For name for for for iphone and android Okay, and iphone and android. I know on the audio version you guys can see under the first space I guess I guess they had help from my antique, but this mobile game is called Nintendogs. Yes. Nintendogs is coming Nintendogs is coming back As a mobile game a game where you can actually go outside and walk your dog And feed him and do all kinds of stuff. It's gonna be pretty cool. Okay.  Yeah. Yeah, but with with with your dog So so yeah Those are my side announcements now for my main announcements in within the within the nintendo direct for for for remember um nintendo mostly announced I would say four to five first party games everything else is third party games Like I went back and watched and they always start with the first party game And they always end with the first party game But then they put like one and and or two in like in between like sprinkle and a whole bunch of other Game that you know, so my first game is uh pigment four release date. Okay, we're getting that We're getting that pigment four release date for the four later on in a year. I'm not gonna tell you when I'm just gonna tell you that's in the direct so I can get it right. Anyway, um I'll be I'll be a transparent. Anyway, uh metric prime hd Okay, it's coming to the nintendo switch All right I would say I'm not sure about this one, but I could say this would get end the direct But it will end it by telling you that they will be a direct dedicate to this tears of the kingdom All right, um, and then I predict that in this year we will have three Zelda games three Zelda games One of them is gonna be I mean we can have a one of my options is we can have a triforce pack that includes Wind Waker Twilight princess and a carina of time triforce pack coming in 2023 Kind of goes right, um, then we're gonna have a mario movie themed dlc For mario odyssey Okay, mario movie themed dlc for mario odyssey. That's what I got from that mario odyssey thing I think they're they're they're kind of wanting us to kind of revisit because they plan on releasing some dlc That will help promote the mario movie and we're not gonna get another mario game Until we get the next thing called so we're not gonna get no nothing for the switch. So mario mario dlc um That has to do with mario movie just to kind of push the movie forward third party games Genshin impact finally fall guys update and a whole bunch of the third party games That's my man.  Well, the topic is for the Okay, so That's the nintendo direct Um, april or march we're either gonna get that that um, we're gonna get something in march or april I know something's coming. It could be the switch oled Zelda edition it could be the announcement of the next generation console to you know But something is coming to march or april. Um, if not Uh e3 for sure we can we can actually see the next gen console there um, and Mario for sure if it's not if the new mario game does not announce in the first half It'll be announced in the second half of the year um Matt DLC and a new mario game or two separate DLC. I think I think I think we'll have both this year I think we'll see the DLC for mario oddity and then we'll see the the announcement for the Then the next mario game Either the 2d or the 3d our next mario game um I had something I forgot we'll have one more one more prediction a metro prime 4 is coming out this year Yes, it's coming out this year. It's gonna come out in the The last part of the year Um, and that's it. That's that's my entire year. That's it switch to metro prime um Pikmin 4 with no release date. So I get it right then 10 10 10 10 doc mobile games And then it's supposed to be you'll see Oh wait, I forgot um the the way through wave 4 of uh mario kart Of course wave 4 is coming out now in march Wave 6 wave 5 is coming out in uh in the summer and then wave 6 in december That's a safe prediction right there right Okay, I predict the nintendo's gonna stop making games All right, this is a good age well I predict nintendo's gonna change their company name and we're not gonna get a nintendo anything to pretend All right. No, I'm sorry. I can't I can't have that nonsense on stream I'm sorry. I had to get rid of the nonsense for a moment. Um, I who wants to go next for some predictions I I got a pretty stacked 2023. I want to talk about Well, here we go. That's what I want to see Okay, so I think we're getting the return of the finally the long time coming the traditional direct schedule I think that we are back to a february showcase and no questions asked nintendo rejoining with e3 and being there in somewhat of a Big capacity in person with the whole read pop thing them bringing it back and then Obviously still only doing a digital direct event, but it's branded as the e3 direct and then september rounds out the year I think that all the craziness through the pandemic that got them off of their traditional schedule that that's done now And then we get that alongside of like mini focus directs on occasional things Then I as in terms of games. I mean Other than like a lot of the ones that are in the rumor mill speculation talk I will start with the I will start with the I guess further out there ones first Um, I do think that something mario happens this year, but it's either 2d or 3d and it's not both So the thing is if it's 2d I think it launches alongside of the movie and it's kind of more aimed at that casual crowd and we find out about it in february And they start marketing it right away and then it's already available to purchase Right around the launch of the movie If it's 3d then it's probably announced at the e3 nintendo direct, but it's marketed for a 2024 Which may actually be the launch game of a switch to I'm more on the side now that we're not going to get new hardware in 2023 So i'm actually thinking that it is this is all the tiers of the kingdom oled And that it is not anything more powerful and the wild card is is that in like a september October timeframe we get a nintendo switch light oled But then the true successor whatever is next is not going to be featured until 2024 the soonest Then I think we get a lot of because we're talking about the end of maybe the switch era or not the end of the switch era But rather the switch to beginning in 2024 I do think that a lot of the emily rogers nape the hate type of talk With around maybe them Padding out the end of the switch's life cycle with a lot of ports and remasters that that's when we finally see Metroid prime remaster fully announced. Maybe it's the trilogy. Maybe they actually break up all three games I don't predict Metroid prime 4 is actually out in 2023 I think it's 2024 at the soonest and it's probably a cross-generational title on the next hardware And I think that if nintendo's smart they do metroid prime one two and three all ultimately brought to the switch But released about six to nine months apart, but we get the start of it with prime one remaster this year Then I think we get a lot of games like f0 gx and we get maybe kid Icarus uprising We get some of these, you know One off and we're almost already seeing that I mean we know that Kirby's return to dreamland deluxe is just straight up a Weeport I think they go back into their previous catalogs and just throw them on switch and see what happens with multiple games um, and then besides that I do hope that we get some kind of donkey kong announcement But at that point with all my other predictions I feel like it's becoming a pretty stacked year But it is also time for donkey kong to at least be featured and talked about and maybe it's not until the September direct and it's like a very end of the year type of game And when it comes to nso, I predict that Nintendo is going to be far less reliable with the one per month and 64 game And that we are going to actually be frustrated as people who have paid for a full year of the expansion pack Until we get to the september direct and they reveal the game boy family of systems And I think that we maybe go to like once every other month for new n64 games And it's just sporadic and sometimes it's two in a month and other times. It's none Pokemon stadium one and two maybe they're dropping the same month, but then we go two months without seeing anything I think we get to that level But then we do get the game boy family of systems No game cube should even be talked about on nso until we're talking about next-gen hardware also And that pretty much rounds it out I think that that's that's kind of like what I can think of right now as far Oh, and then pikmin comes out at some point, but towards the end of the year Well, I think the game cube was going to be announced in february Poor innocent That's bold claim How do you think they pull that off on the switch with the file sizes of game cube games and everything? Oh, well, it's all online. Maybe cloud versions Oh boy. Oh god Just streaming Don't say it. They just Can't come on the next episode, but you're not going to be on the next episode anyway, so I mean, I know I know It's not where it needs to be right now But eventually eventually it has to get asked to improve it has to get better, you know So and there's gonna be a point where we might prefer even cloud gaming because it loads faster You don't have to download the game. You don't have to uh, you know, you keep the storage for the games You really want to play offline And then, you know get online for those those games that you want to play But don't want that storage to be, you know on your on your switch So in the distant future? Yes, I agree with you, but that we're nowhere near that right now So if they were to reveal that at the February direct and tell us that game cubes are cloud only versions People will riot and myself included All I know is that um, I've been playing some cloud games over on the I think it's on the play station And I've been having a good time. They've been running very very well. I know they're using google stadia technology And it's been running very very well So if if the internal jumps in with that same technology google's google stadia wasn't a bad service Um, the the technology works and it was actually good. I enjoyed it. It's just uh, the They had they didn't have any games They didn't have developers coming and putting games on stadia and and then they they first they had They bought companies to bring First party games to google stadia then they just canceled it all of a sudden You know, I mean the google has never been a company That is too reliable when it comes to these little side projects like stadia Take losses to see. Yeah Exactly and stadia. I think that they got what they wanted out of it, which was the Technology technology. Yeah Now they're now they have it and now they're selling it and and and there are other companies They're actually benefiting it from it. I know AT&T. I think release batman batman arca arca Um using that technology GeForce now or something like that is is I don't know if they're if that's using what google uses or not But I do think there's good technologies when it comes to cloud streaming and what we have on the switch is by no means The best way to do that But then it's also going to be one of those things where it's like a lot of like the audience that is out there That just wants to have an option to play a game without downloading it It'll be a convenience factor But then there's going to be those people and i'm kind of one of those that You can't like if a movie is like degraded in quality even slightly Like it's just a lower resolution or whatever it is if it's not full quality I would literally what rather wait to watch that movie and wait for it at full quality than to have a Even slightly less enjoyable experience and that's where i'm at with cloud gaming If I move to the left and I just see the slightest frame delay of my character responding to that I'm immediately like okay I'm going to wait to play this until I can play it on dedicated hardware because it's just not it's not there But it will be one day. I think it will be one day for sure. Yeah, I can see that I'm just having fun.   I'll just get get minor the way because it's minor minor pretty simple pretty easy Uh, and I disagree with every one probably probably um So I we we're gonna get a cheers the kingdom all that's happening. This is what it is. We're not getting new hardware. Sorry Sorry It's hardware and it's new so Okay, okay, there's no there's no upgraded spec hardware coming out. I mean zelda skin is definitely an upgrade over no skin Are the uh back I'm spent so much money on all that all that already It's anyways, there will be a zealots here's the kingdom of the I don't think it's going to be the one that leaked out but they'll they'll be one uh, that's a Different or better design or something Uh, maybe not sometimes there's zelda design on their systems isn't very good like it's just If you what made that whole thing believable to me was how bad it is Because go back and look at all those those things and yeses or or even the we use the win week Like it's just there's just not good designs. There's not It's just they're lazy with with a lot of the the custom zelda design. So I wouldn't surprise me But I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that that was probably not real But there will be something akin to that no new hardware. I'll be happy to be wrong I know new hardware in 2023. By the way, I want new hardware this year. I just don't think it's gonna happen I think I have no reason to think this because they don't do this off of I think March next year, but that's getting the 2024 predictions. Uh, so we're gonna stick to this year Uh, obviously we're you know, we we already know that like just getting the things we know all the way obviously Here's the kingdom Pikmin for all this like we're like, I'm not gonna go over that mark on a dlc got it cool Don't not going to go over guesses on on tracks or anything Uh, that's all stuff. We know it's coming. Uh, so tune through dlc given It's a given they do a dlc pack every single time for like about 20 bucks. We're gonna get one Probably probably coming out this fall. Maybe this summer depending but I Get into the to the unknown like there's a lot of rumored remasters out there for gamecube Uh, and you know, Emily rogers being at the forefront that told us Hey, they're gonna rely on a lot of these remasters at the end of generation from gamecube Uh, I don't know how many of these are true. Like there was a new one recently about botan katos I would love for that to be true Uh, I don't know that it is. I don't know that websites reliable I guess I look back at that they've gotten some stuff right some stuff wrong So they're basically the same as everybody else who says something's happening. It's a coin flip. We really know Uh, bonds will just call it a prediction So, uh, botan katos, uh, I don't know that that is one that they would help heavily even lean into I do think metro prime hd comes out this year Uh, I think that's gonna end up being a end of summer title I I don't think metro prime 4 is coming out. I think we will hear about metro prime 4 Uh By the if we don't hear about it at e3 when I which is when I think they'll bring up, um Is which when I think they'll bring up Whoo eric's dyin over there Anyways, uh, if we don't hear about metro prime 4 at e3, which I think would be really strange Well, he heard about it at least of the september direct. They'll at least tease it for the following year Um, I don't know if they're gonna even give us a date. They might just say 2023 Or they might just say Hey, uh, we're just want to show you what's in the work. We still got we still got time to go on it So no metro prime 4 this year, but we'll see it. Um, and we'll get metro prime one hd at some point probably end of summer Beyond that, uh, I I don't think that tears of the kingdom is like the last game First switch. I don't know that I buy that stuff out there. Uh We're just talking about nintendo in 2023. There's gonna be something mario They're not gonna let the year go without mario. I don't know that it's going to be a mainline game Could be those rumors for 2d stuff and side scrolling I look the odyssey 2 now people are thinking about I don't know that there's going to be a new mainline, but there's going to be something um Yeah, it's a little soon to me to be another paper mario I know they like to bang those out pretty quick sometimes a little soon for that But I do think something I've talked about before like, you know, how the mario and the weegee series I don't the developer is is no more but Um, it would be interesting to have one of those this year And I think that would pair really nice with the movie that seems to be focusing on mario and luigi At least so far even though mario they're kind of putting in the background a little bit because people are random with the voice acting um, but I think that can make sense some sort of Uh spin-off that we just don't really see coming is basically what I expect It could even be a brand new mario spin-off. I have no idea. Uh, but I think something like that is going to come this year I also Uh, just have this suspicion That we're getting a dk game this year Not even based on the rumor. I just have this feeling Having had a new one since 2014. I don't think it's made by retro studios I don't know what it is I don't it's gonna be jungle beat 2 for all. I know I have no clue But some sort of donkey con game I think is arriving this year Yes, I think nintendo is going to also release a new mobile game at some point. Um, they they do Mobile games not they don't release a new one every year, but they do have multiple companies working on them They're not just going to stop I'm not talking about what the pokemon company puts out because th