and if we're in a virtual reality already why would you divert yourself into another one that is even less real or less has less value yeah you know towards our personal growth yes that if we don't begin disarmament globally um there's no path forward to peace and prosperity for everybody yeah it just isn't going to happen one twig you can snap two it's harder three it's almost impossible that's the strength of the family yeah and that's the strength of dropping all our borders too we're under the illusion that somehow we need them to be strong to be a strong country no actually it makes us weaker that perception is cutting us off dividing us up and isolating us from each other why did i end up saving three people's lives in such a short time when i was young because it usually that doesn't happen to people right and i thought that was really strange what's the purpose of it until i read this children's book that was an opportunity that was a gift to me yeah the thing is it if you know about music or any form of creativity it's like oh i did a song so now i'm done no you so at some point you're going to find another song in another song right or you're going to paint another picture whatever because that's how creativity is at each song and each painting is slightly different and it's beautiful they're all beautiful right well yeah if you want to be stronger smarter healthier and happier increase your love quotient connect to the force or the source whatever you want to call it the web of light yeah no someone's opinion may contradict yours where's my friend allen it's all about your perspective who are we and what is the nature of this reality boom what's up everyone welcome to simulation i'm your host alan sakian we are on site in the beautiful palm springs california we're now going to be talking about our path to peace and prosperity we have robert stanley joining us on the show hi robert hey allen good to see you thanks for having me yeah super excited for you coming on to our show now it was great being on your unicus radio hour very just recently yeah that was a great show together it was our first time getting to chat online like that and you know do it on video right that was nice but now we get in person for our first time which is excellent it was so cool actually getting to finally be in our spiritual essences together in the same physical location yeah for those that don't know robert's background robert stanley's editor of unicus magazine dot com author of two books on ufo's in washington dc and host of unicus radio hour and you can find the link in a bio below to unicus magazine dot com and also find the first episode that we did together that link is below as well both parts yeah robert we had such a wide-ranging conversation the first time we talked which is what i love so much covering what is the ultimate purpose of humanity where do we even come from to spirit meet the body for these lessons on this planet we covered so many cool areas of talk we didn't really get to got into things like the love quotient we didn't really hammer out that this path of optimizing peace and prosperity and how to exactly do that and i'm excited to talk about this with you let's start things off with you know this is a very interesting again just this idea that we are now here we there's something instead of nothing there's life instead of nothing and when we come here we have this consciousness this perception system to engage with each other and try and and maximize flourishing and creative expression and all these things yet we have trillions of dollars of money every single year being poured into war and violence and there's malevolence among us and that's kind of like this excuse that's been being propagated like there's an there's a nastiness in them and so it's really important for us to put up these walls and these types of things to protect ourselves how do we transcend this monkey politics and these monkey wars and harmonize ourselves collectively with nature and each other to be this pinnacle civilization that we can be yeah the first step is realizing that we're all family and i know that's going to be hard for a lot of people that have prejudices for generations you know as you said that's an excuse for bad behavior basically actually we usually attract people to us that we that have qualities that we dislike in ourselves and rather than taking care of those things we say oh they're the problem if i just do something to them you know punish them or kill them then i'm going to feel better about myself in fact it doesn't work and it has never worked it never will work so all of the weapons systems that we have designed and developed over thousands of years of this current civilization are not making a saver and they never will make a safer they cannot only we can by increasing the love quotient in our heart um and reaching out to others especially those that we don't agree with and and because just threatening them obviously is going to escalate it's like pouring gasoline on a fire it's not path to peace and prosperity um you know peace has to come before we can all prosper that's that's my understanding about the process is really pretty simple and yet difficult okay i mean it's it's not complicated it's just freaking hard because we have we we including myself have all these prejudices and just negativity that um especially when we get together collectively and point fingers or weapons it it escalates the negativity to a point where ultimately everything collapses it's it's a i told you this was pretty amazing to me i only found it out recently the dark side actually serves a purpose and it's not limited to just this world i i just want to make this really clear to everybody up front this was a huge revelation to me because i've been trying to figure it out i've had really really intimate experiences with what i would consider evil yes okay so who's to blame well apparently it was inherently designed it's a program designed into creation as we understand it that is like a circuit breaker when there's too much negativity this the circuit breaks and the system stops it just collapses on itself and then it'll it'll reset and it'll kind of come back and if it works in balance if there's enough love or spirituality and science is in balance then the civilization will go to the next level now the spirituality and science those are just words the things that drive that though are us are intense you know and our intent if it's based on fear that's where all the weapons come from and war okay so then it's one of the main ways maybe to view it is that if we from within ourselves are cultivating fear then we cultivate war if we from within ourselves call cultivate love then we cultivate peace correct and it can be as simple as that and then so then it's like and then it can maybe gets a little bit more nuanced where it's like okay well we have we have something that's cooking up with within us from these different pockets of being raised in different cultures around the world with different amounts of socioeconomic status different like privileges accesses to basic needs we're indoctrinated into different religions these types of things and then in some ways like love becomes obfuscated and we have to like pierce the veil that is the matrix that we're put into to realize that it is all love yeah and so we then we then it's it's an educate it seems like it's an education problem with all children that are being born into the world plus existing adults plus the matrix itself has an issue with the illusion of separation and the illusion of of propagation of fear and weapons and types of and these types of things which is like it's obfuscated that that all-encompassing unbounded love you know you said a key word there was cultivate and if you think of this as a garden and that we are seeds our souls are like seeds of light in this garden here you could say that the negativity the fear is like weeds and it chokes out what we can consider bountiful or good herbs and plants that are life-giving right so or sustaining and so how do you tend a garden you select those that you that you consider to be what i just said and you eradicate you got to pull out the weeds occasionally you have to you have to tend the garden otherwise it goes it goes awry again i think that's built in inherent i only now understand the importance of that we have to participate it's participatory okay we can't just sit there and go okay you know give me abundance give me peace no we have to work on it every day we literally have to pull weeds of negativity out of our hearts every day because like in a garden you there are weeds seeds from the weeds that are constantly falling into the soil from wherever you know into the matrix and they are looking for fertile soil too and if you don't do something to the thing is most people i believe most people in this planet feel like oh we've got we've got to you know murder all the murderers you know we'll wait a second that's not the path to peace it starts inside each and every one of us and then it becomes a collective as we start to congregate and cooperate and collaborate you know in a compassionate way it's something realistic okay not not not religious because to me religion has been weaponized i think or politicized at the very least often oftentimes it it goes hand in hand with with uh martial actions or reactions but again this is completely up to us this isn't up to a government or a religion that's kind of why i'm bringing them into it because we are religion we are government okay when every time we participate we're we're endorsing it and and giving it life and extending it into the future so and you know a lot of people i've talked to on my show when i ask about spiritual matters i get people saying well i used to be i was raised a catholic i used to go church but i'm not doing that anymore i said but you're still a spiritual person aren't you yeah well then if you know that if you feel that essence of your soul what are you doing with that because just being passive is it's not really solving the problem because the problem is not just mine or yours it's it's everybody we're all in this together yeah yeah that we're not all vibing on a divine wavelength that it's a miracle that we're all here that that evil serves a purpose of creating all these obfuscations to make it hard for us to actually realize how to work together and so actually ensures it ensures that we work hard to get it in a peaceful loving manner because if we don't the system collapsed every time you look in history but you said circuit breaker yeah and i think and my understanding is that's universal and it makes sense because if one planet just one planet were to develop into like a star trek or star wars kind of scenario and it was to spread across all of creation eventually exponentially it would start to to infect all of creation so this was brilliant honestly so evil is the circuit breaker it's it's like a firmy filter as well these these filters of either asteroid collisions or nuclear wars or diseases or pandemics or rapid wealth inequality or any types of civilizational collapses endeavors into godlike powers without moral spiritual ethical evolution and then these are like circuit breakers to make it so that these firmy filters so that the like you said if a civilization gets into these later stages of evolution they can go and like spread themselves like a virus that's scientific development without spiritual balance yeah that's the way it's been presented to me in a children's book of all things yeah allegedly a children's book about you know a friendly extraterrestrial giving children advice because they're the future saying let me show you what a civilized world really looks like yeah because you don't live on a civilized world and that i know is shocking to a lot of us in so-called western civilization we think that we are civilized well yeah maybe compared to somebody that lives in the jungle with sticks and stones but in the bigger scheme of things we are not we are not despite whatever technology we have that is not a metric of one's level of civilization or um civility i should say right it's really a lot simpler than that it's not about technology it's about your love quotient that we were talking about before and um so how do you measure that though yeah how do you measure well be judged them by their deeds not their words because certain ones of us that are so-called um pathological yeah uh they're very skilled at lying because they're predators they are embodying the dark side so they they'll they so they would see somebody like you and i as weak because they think that if they trick us you know they could take advantage of this because we are supposedly defenseless because we want peace right and prosperity for everybody and basically all they want is something for themselves again those people present um an obstacle but it can be easily overcome without punishing them because ultimately and this was the other thing that i learned recently we punish ourselves i know that for a fact and um one of the hardest things to do is forgive yourself it doesn't mean excuse your behavior i'm talking about truly forgiving yourself because you screwed up and everybody does by the way okay but if you cannot forgive yourself you'll never be able to forgive anybody else you'll never be able to move forward emotionally and like you said cultivate cultivate this heart space so that so that the love energy has a place to resonate oh i'm sorry i'm touching this i'm probably excuse me i forgot there's a microphone these people here this thumb yeah sorry anyway it's uh it's really not that complicated it's just hard it really is i actually had a panic attack years ago here in palm springs because i was flashing back on things that happened to me when i was a child with my parents and it was it was really traumatic i mean you know i don't think anybody has a so-called perfect childhood and um the the difference is do i see myself as a victim or a survivor and if i was a victim that is a um that's a dissonant position to take that's that's basically like i'm i give up i'm i'm helpless and helpless and somebody else i'm abcating my responsibility in all of this whereas as a victim is actually empowered to to heal themselves and others that they can relate to through their pain and the healing because once you allow yourself to say i survived this i am stronger for this i have healed this wound and a big part of it actually the key element the reason i'm bringing it up is because i decided i would forgive myself first and then i would forgive my parents for because you know they're not perfect and i know they were doing the best they could but it was bad it was really bad they fought a lot and um it frightens kids you know to see that their whole support system is just like like and like emotional earthquake yes and and you know who you're going to turn to as a kid you don't have a lot of options because they're your support system and they're just constantly fighting and you're like well uh yeah it's it's so on some level people shut down i did on some level emotionally i shut down but after i got married and i had a kid and we came out here we were vacationing i was like oh wait a minute mother and dad and the little boy all over again you know and that stuff that i was suppressing you know trying to like forget it just came popping back up and i was like i just felt like i was having a heart attack but that's how panic attacks are i wasn't gonna die but i realized that i wasn't really living either i i wasn't living my life i mean in this regard i wasn't emotionally available 100 for my wife and my son and that is that is cruel um especially since you were just talking about your need as a child yeah yeah yeah why would i pass that on correct yeah you want to stop the trauma right yeah it's a little bit like the vampire thing you know it doesn't always have to be sexual trauma abuse comes in many different forms and it is um what do you call uh uh contagious because it is because we're emotional beings it's passed passed on you know so anyway i'm just saying from experience that was a turning point i probably wouldn't even be sitting here talking to you about these matters if i hadn't come to that key awareness yes the other thing that happened that it was about it was pouring rain here which is kind of a weird thing and there was rainbows everywhere but at the same time i think it was puquette it was thailand they had a huge earthquake and a tidal wave and it killed a bunch of people and i'm like watching this on the news it was christmas time here and there's all these people getting killed by a tidal wave and that brought all kinds of memories when i was a kid growing up in malibu on the beach i used to have dreams about terrible nightmares about people getting killed by a tidal wave you know so it was it was triggering something like an emotional tidal wave in me at that moment and and it was so weird because the juxtaposition of hey i've got a beautiful wife and beautiful son look at all these rainbows and yet like i'm i'm having this like like not to outdrag out fight with this like inner demons they call them that's typically what we call them now and the pills won't help let me tell you the sorry the pills don't help all the talk therapy in the world because the therapist can't actually do the work for you right and a lot of them a lot of those people are damaged themselves okay and that's why they go into that field and i'm glad that they do but i i went down that path and ultimately it didn't help it didn't help me at all i found out i told him telling you that was the only way that for me anyway to heal myself since your self work and and ultimately be available to be a dad to be a husband stop the transgenerational trauma and actually be a son to my parents you know because i was kind of i was i was carrying a garage yeah and that's just a wall man that's just a freaking emotional wall yeah yeah you know you're making it really clear that love and the the path to peace and prosperity starts within from examples like what you just listed there so we all have some sort of a of a trauma or some sort of an ancestral trauma or some sort of a of a birthplace uh issue around the time that we were young um throughout our first couple months or years of life where something had built up and that it's up to us to treat it like a challenge that we want to overcome on the other side of those the traumas the treasures those are our biggest levels up in life are right there right in front of us and so we gotta if we remember that and we do that then we become more loving towards our ancestors our parents our kids etc the people around us in our communities then the love spreads at butterfly effects like that yeah and so then that's how we get to that peace and prosperity through our own self work so that's kind of like one of the most if not the most important pillar is like yeah start with self work yeah hardcore self work right because if you heal yourself then you're in a position to help others heal themselves as opposed to because you can't impose that on anybody all right because you know they're going to resist if a person's not like seriously you you know it's so it's so intimately personal those emotions are all about you and for somebody else to come in and that's why I say the therapists are really very limited what they can do let's let's revisit also what you said it about the garden as well this is a really good analogy that I think would be useful to unpack further let's see how we can play tennis on it so so the let's let's see so the seed is the child that's born into the world and they come with this you know this unique DNA that gets to be expressed their creative fruits get to be brought into the world but they need the root system in place of love compassion yeah water food etc and so what we see is that like this these seeds are in the garden and so it's both within our own seed as our seed flourishes we have to do that self work which is kind of like identifying the weeds plucking them out and it's also watering our own roots with like exercise sleep yeah meditation eating well right yeah and then that's what waters and also surrounding ourselves with people that are smarter than us and like and and creating more value than we capture and spending some time in nature is really yes I know a lot of us right now are so caught up in digital you know reality or simulation I mean we talk about is this a digital simulation it doesn't matter it's a virtual reality okay and we have a role to play here but I think we're being completely distracted by digital technology right now but we're permitting ourselves to do that it's a challenge it's a just it's just another obstacle I'm not saying it's evil it's just it's it's taking us away from it's disconnecting us from the the purpose our purpose you know in a lot of ways I see people are just so caught up in it and it's it isn't real and if we're in a virtual reality already why would you divert yourself into another one that is even less real or less has less value yeah you know towards our personal growth yes now that's it that's a cool way to put it that since we're already immersed as a character in this game that we need to be focusing on our leveling up and when we go to these devices that mostly distract us away from that leveling up process it's actually less meaningful all that type of stuff I'll give you a better analogy since I play tennis a lot if I'm playing tennis and then there's a little break time like we're somebody setting up for their serve or whatever we have like kind of going on here we're not hitting the ball yeah I'll look over to the other court and see what's going on because tennis players are like that we kind of want to watch and see you know if somebody's playing well you're like oh wow monkey monkey do well kind of like that I mean it's it's there's an interest level there totally and it's very distracting to when you're on the court and somebody else is playing and they're like getting into it and you're you're just looking over there but you cannot pull your it takes you away from being in the moment as a matter of fact one of the things I think there's a book called the zen of tennis or the Tao of tennis actually the Tao of tennis it says that the less you think the better you play yeah the same thing with when I freestyle with hip-hop music or when you do an interview yeah the same thing as an interlocutor or as the person that's being interviewed yeah just flow flow instead of well because because think less feel more it allows you to actually connect with the moment yeah because if I'm thinking about if I'm thinking about 100 things before the ball even comes yeah that means I am not open to the that moment I am like I'm caught in a virtual moment in my mind instead of just being in that flow at that at the real moment you know connecting with that ball is all I should be thinking about so there's little tricks for this in tennis anyway it's just just looking at the ball or listening so one of the hardest things to do is actually listen to the ball being hit and then come whizzing over and then bouncing if whatever the technique is that allows you to stay focused that's what you should use yes okay um and and that's why again I feel really bad about digital technology it started with with radio was fine originally but when tv came along and they started flashing all these lights at a certain rate and and in training our our thought process yeah it totally ripped us out of reality took us into yeah the subset yes yes and yeah the the the immersive experiences that are distractive and consumptive and that are hijacking our dopaminergic reward system versus ones that enable us to hold these techniques of focus towards our ultimate north star endeavors and I love this analogy of the garden and I'm sure we'll end up revisiting it but I just I just really like this one the garden so it's like cultivating our own self self work our own self love bringing up our love quotient butterflying out of that effect out and then seeing more peace and prosperity that sense and then on a just like a global level of monkey politics in war and in uh it's just is the way that the disarmament happens is through the self work and self love and then spreading that with the butterfly effect is that how we do the disarmament over time well guess what if nobody bought the arms wouldn't matter how many they make now those these guys need to make a profit right but if they make all the the armament and nobody uses it they're out of business the idea is that if I if we all agreed to not use it and then one person does use it right that's kind of like the well it's that there's always gonna be here's the other thing too people that don't have access to weapons will find a an ingenious way to act out their negativity like we see with these people um driving trucks onto sure you know pedestrian pathways so so it isn't just about disarmament although that's is a huge issue because it's gotten so far at a hand that if we don't begin disarmament globally um there's no path forward to peace and prosperity for everybody yeah it just isn't going to happen and another big one is just that it's it's not just like 800 billion dollars in the united states but it's like trillions of dollars globally and um it's becoming an industrial complex and it now has what is called an embedded growth obligation and so there's a there's a perpetual state of status quo that it has now and to and to the basically every child that's born into the world now is born into the ideology of their the world war one world war two cold war uh just there's still ongoing wars around going around the planet refugee camps around the planet drones that are constantly monitoring intercontinental ballistic missiles fighter jets like they're just born into that paradigm right and so to get out of that rut is is we it's like a whole ethos change civilizational ethos change that process of self love just updating the code away from war and towards peace but simultaneously recognizing that not everyone around the planet is just going to become self loving overnight and that and so because of that then there's like we all do our best to level up our love while simultaneously staying slightly vigilant to just in case some people are not yes you can defend yourself but here's one thing i i read last night that i thought was really profound i hadn't i'd never heard this before it was gary zukov was writing in his one of his books because he was a green beret i don't know if you know about gary he's a fantastic teacher but when i read that i really started to understand him a little better and he said uh he was reciting a particular time in gondy's life when he went up into the um a mountain tribe i think he was in afghanistan and and these were very warlike you know they say fierce people you don't want to mess with them right because they're they all have weapons and they they'll shoot you right and he says i have no fear yeah i have no fear and he went to speak to one of their um their their you know councils and he's and he he told him he says you only need that if you have fear you only need weapons if you have fear right interesting and ultimately the weapons cannot dissipate the fear only love can do this and when he explained this you know however he explained this to the tribal leaders the tallest burliest most well you know the alpha male yeah he put his he put his rifle down in front of gondy said okay i understand i will follow you i'm i'm willing to follow you yeah you know you're a little guy you say you have no fear yeah and you're going to teach me to have no fear without my weapon yeah i i want you to show me this and he became he became a faithful companion for the rest of gondy's life he followed this man because he believed that that was an something that he'd never even considered before okay because it's like a yeah yeah during that rut that indoctrinated process yeah but again it's just a fear i like that fear leads to weapons and love leads to peace yeah interesting yeah yeah and you can't see the thing about it is you cannot enforce peace on others you you you know you can help ask people questions which then lead them to process of self-reflection which leads them to peace which leads us which leads them to love which leads us to peace right but yes the thing is that if they're only if they're so focused on the fear unless you show them the other way then they're going to just continue down the door has to be made available and that's what a question can do yeah questions can show people there's an alternative door for constantly walking into the fear door the question illuminates the the love door and then they see okay well there's a love door and even know that that exists now i can try and see what it's like and feel it maybe walk through it occasionally yeah that leads to peace look i i know that there's a lot of people that in the military and other armed you know people like first responder the police officers um they they love their families but there's still this wall up about us and them and the truth of the matter is that um most people don't have weapons on this planet i i never saw that in hong kong and yet people still found ways to harm each other like they're doing now but um generally speaking the the military population of this planet is very small in united states it's only about one percent believe it or not if you include all the veterans that are you know then it would be around three percent sure but it's really small we're talking a very small number and i i know they seem monolithic and and like intractable and as far as their their position like you know hey we're here to protect you don't tell me to drop our weapons because then we're all going to be vulnerable you don't want that um so yeah showing showing me the other way is no actually as long as you keep holding the weapons and pointing them at other people within our global family yeah we're all at risk the beautiful world that are all our hearts know is possible and yet it's not the flick of a light switch which is what makes it complicated yeah it we we have the evil in place purposely and then that it can't just be a flight switch over to complete peace and prosperity that then that makes this process more difficult but it's still the up leveling and consciousness around the planet towards love and peace is exactly what eventually leads us to that prosperity yeah so so it has to be done through like a grassroots style of sincere self-work and development and yeah i have i want to i want to also make sure we get to resetting the global financial system in general yeah because i think it's become more and more clear through conversations we've had on the show and more and more people talking about and highlighting this but like fractional reserve banking was actually not what was first intended when we developed the money right developed the money for exchanging things of value for each other and now it's turned into a Ponzi scheme yeah and we are literally just blinded to what's happening behind the curtain this big curtain of the financial system and we're completely over it and more and more people are waking up and saying that i like decentralization i like the distributed ledger technology i like cryptocurrencies i like not having a centralized control system over a currency that's completely bullshit manipulated and so what would it look like to make the transition in this reset and how would that empower us uh yeah that's a good question i'm obviously not an economist but i'm i've yet to meet one that actually seems to know much about the economy whenever i listen to those people there's only one that i actually and she's not an economist it's catherine austin fits is the only person that ever makes any sense talking about how corrupt the economy has become in the united states i didn't think he could actually get worse but it has stealing trillions of dollars you know and using the federal government to do it so that's a top-down organized crime problem it's and it's not just the u.s i think i mentioned this to you last time we spoke but the numbers i've seen published are over 240 trillion dollars worth of debt yeah it's crazy that's more that's more debt than equity the whole planet is bankrupt okay and i know some people say well this you know the the breakaway civilization stole it so they could leave the planet i don't care who who did it the problem is it happened now how are we gonna fix it i'm you know i'm kind of the of the old school belief that um it's called jubilee i was told that this is actually something that's been done in the past it's it's called debt forgiveness it's but in biblical terms it's called jubilee in native america's terms it was called potlatch and it's something that people did routinely um it was considered to be something really high esteem for you for a person to be able to give away their stuff periodically kind of start over yeah and and it makes sure that everything is recycled and reset oh boy um unfortunately some people have to be taken out of the system because even if we did a global reset and restructuring bad actors appear yeah they would come back and do the same kind of criminal activity yeah so we then this is again this is what captain austin fits has been so amazing when i listen to her she says we all have to participate right now we act as though and we just let other people take care of it we don't realize that we're financing the criminality the corruption is coming right out of our own pockets our our investments are going into these things yes they are disguised a lot of them but it doesn't mean you can't do due diligence especially in the digital age everybody has access to that kind of information especially if you sign up for and this is not an endorsement for her okay salary report is fantastic you can get it digitally and for sure it'll come to you the printed version sometimes it's interrupted i think people don't want that information coming out but if you're interested in actually being proactive about you know your money or your assets or whatever you want to call it um she she gets some really good outlines on how we can do that from eight like you said grassroots she she actually says it's county by county that's how we have to work think globally act or excuse me act locally think globally and that's really true that is absolutely correct um because what did they say about corruption power power actually power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely so the larger the institution there's more likelihood that there's even greater corruption going on totally which is systemic now we're at the level of what the initial founding fathers said was just you know you have one person that is representing maybe 30 000 people now it's one person in congress representing 600 000 people and that's an absolute joke yeah we're supposed to have a congress that it's like 8 000 people now um so let's let's really and what would that look like how much well you know how big are these governments supposed to be across the world how much of our how much of our spiritual actualization can offset the amount of corruption and greed and whatnot that occurs i like the i like the reset in terms of um taking it from a really grassroots county by county level i like that i'm just i'm just really like what what what what what is it that like you know cryptocurrency and decentralization technologies are fascinating because they kind of they kind of go like this they kind of flip this system on its head which is fantastic um but then this whole idea of like county by county is like okay well you can't get you can get like millions or billions of people to sign up for digital currencies pretty quickly um but it's much more difficult to try and get i think um from a single county uh it takes longer at least to get it from a single county to have all of the people in that county have some sort of a new system of of money slash trade slash barter etc and then have that slowly scale out as a system of finance yeah i haven't studied her model closely enough but if i understand it correctly or at all is that um counties invest okay so like pension plans for uh i think i have a better way to put this okay go ahead okay i think the better way to put this would be when we when we do a complete reset and redesign of the way that we exchange things of value across our planet what would you want that to look like well it certainly wouldn't be based on fee at currency it may be digital but again there has to be some sort of mechanism where people can be accountable because right now there is no accountability i told you one of the things that she brings up it's it's called fas b 56 and that is a new system that they've put on into into practice even though it's illegal but because it's coming from the federal government they say well we we're not going to show you our books because uh to the general accounting office we can't show you your book our books because it's a matter of national security really okay so you can basically just steal however much money you want and never be held accountable you have a problem so yeah because it's not tens of trillions of dollars that she knows of she's been able to over a period of years and get hammered for it and any all her colleagues you know everybody that that started to peek behind the curtain of this kind of corruption they're like so we're talking serious criminals here now what would it look like i we've already been down this road i mean clearly before money people bartered um services and goods and you know gift economy well yeah there's it's not that difficult i would just literally love the divinity and you and i would be like hey you want to i have some apple like you want to have some apple together yeah it wouldn't be like you must pay me for this apple you know well that's those are that's chasing shadows it's not real it's none of that money is real like time this is not real just an illusion it's a relative it's it's an agreed upon illusion agree all right so it's a subset of the virtual reality we keep creating these subsets yeah like money is another one the shared hallucination you have money money and time and other things it's what it does though is it puts us in a box it's like a maze it box in a box in a box and pretty soon you're just like man i don't even know where i am that's it that's a great way to put it okay the more we add shared hallucinations which are boxes yeah we go from this abundant divine spiritual birthplace of earth to like we're in a 10 foot by 10 foot white room in a straight jacket and it's like yeah it's like you must work 80 years of life to buy your way out of this room it's like what the fuck it's not over the shit yeah that's a great way to put it the more negative shared hallucinations the more constrictions on our ultimate spiritual divine purpose that are there and we don't even fucking realize like why are we here i think it hijacks also our ability to be creative or imaginative yeah and those two things are co-equal unfortunately in this world we've been one of the lives we've been led to believe it is our imagination is like it's not valuable it's not real so why give it any validity or or energy you know when in fact imagination is is the birthplace of all creation of all manifestation yes yes yes you know and so these these as you call them the hallucination as you should hallucination is actually inhibit us because like if i have um if i can imagine something beautiful and i share that vision with you and you share with others now pretty soon we will manifest that yeah that that becomes reality yes so you know dr martin Luther king he had a dream he had a vision he shared it with us and it definitely made a difference even though he had to pay with his physical life i guess you know that was the price that had to be paid there was a massive butterfly effect of of the great minds of that set that had more martyrs for their dreams i know he didn't want to do that he didn't want to know there was a lot more impact yet to okay so but let's get back to something else you're talking about so when we reach a tipping point of love yes and peace on this planet we're going to receive a lot of help from our extended family off this world and not before that because not only would it be people could not receive it anyway because they're they have so much fear they'd be like ah the aliens are invading yeah but in fact they are like i said they are extended family they are benevolent and they do have it's not just about technology by the way they they have some very advanced techniques and other resources that they would love to share with us because we are family why wouldn't they i'll tell you why because we are so caught up in our own fears that if if and when they show up we panic and actually it's not just we it's it's the leadership under the current paradigm of negativity of paranoia yeah they are looking desperately for a way to manufacture a threat from off world so that they can somehow then perpetuate their more fear more of the fear and their control mechanism and weapons basically yeah and they haven't been able to figure out how to do it because it's such a big lie it's it's it's the mother of all lies unfortunately because it's and it's also keeping us quarantined here that particular lie is is probably the worst because it is it is keeping us stuck not only on this world but it's preventing us from having interaction yeah with our family members from off world yeah so it's as though there's a there's like a spiritual school that we're collectively a part of and we need to level up to the point where we can unlock more of the the next level that that is even cooler powers even etc whereas right now it's the fear and weaponry and that type of stuff winning is it's it's cancers to our upleveling and we're not able to unlock those new skills that are actually really beautiful and divine let's let's do um the abolition of organized religion this is again there's so many points of nuance here that that I um that I hope we can get to just one of them here is that like religion is there's useful lines of code in religion and there's extremely stupid lines of code archaic lines of code that need to go away they're toxic they're toxic yeah so because they're fear-based so it's like it might maybe yeah it's fear-based my little point of contention would be a little asterisk and it would just say abolition of bad lines of code and religion and like and like also the idea that like here's another interesting point I've been talking a lot about pantheism and I mentioned it to you on the show as well yeah all is god period like all that is is god and we're all part of that and we ourselves are god it's all god okay cool but then Islam and Judaism both actually talk about pantheism so and this is you know from my friends that have studied it I haven't actually gotten to around to getting deeper in it myself and I was like that's profound so that means that as long as we have some sort of a different ways of the mountain to sacred divinity then isn't it then that it's like abolishing the bad lines of code but keeping the good lines of code in religion how do you feel about that I'll make this very simple okay god did not invent religion man did um really but if god invented but if god created us and we created religion isn't that the transit of property and geometry no because we actually created a distortion by a lack of our understanding oh again again you call it lines of bad lines of code whatever it's the same thing it's a distortion yes it's a distortion so then if we had a pure connection to god and source we wouldn't have made religion most religions are we would say faith based um it's not based on knowing through experience if one person has a spiritual experience that absolutely precludes any need for religious order and everybody is um has a divine right to connect or reconnect with the creator at any time yes it's and it's very simple there's there's no um political nonsense or fear in that this that's required you know look most of those the gods of religion are are war johova yawai or and even uh what is the as long term for it um oh god i'm blanking uh a lot yeah these are these are war gods or our our perception like you said it like a a shared hallucination our misperception or distortion of what we think god is it's not god that created religion god doesn't create weapons we do that and we use that to then suppose wait wait wait wait wait wait wait so god there's there's both you know that all is one with a modism but there's also dualism which is part of all that is god or creation and that dualism is both good and evil and as we talked about at the very beginning evil is there with the purpose yeah and so evil is there with these weapons evil is there with the fear and that's there with the purpose and so then it's source that created it and not humans or is it humans misperception distortion of source that created fear yes and it had we have a lot of help in that regard like i said the program running in the background we'll call it that's a tough distinction let's stay with that for a moment so that we can at least so at least if i can learn it maybe other people can also um understand say i'm just starting to understand it myself so so then so then so we typically what i think the string of thinking is normally is that we have creation which created good and evil and that we are baked into that but really creation created created created this experiment and then humans misinterpretation of creation and disconnection from source is what created evil and fear no the fear and evil was part of the code that was written in there as i said before okay so when we we're amplifying it yes exactly so it was in the code but it could be like dormant code like it's really very simple when when i embrace love there's no room for hatred or fear in my heart that's right and when i interesting when i did that i had such a such a hard juxtaposition interesting between between evil the day that i said that i saved that boy's life was bleeding to death and i felt yeah and i saw the parasites in the room when i went up out to the mountain and i started to resonate from my heart one thing love love love it connected me with the light it connected me with the father see in that see that was an experience that was my and it took me a long time to interpret it in a way that i i can articulate it with people saying that you know that i'm crazy but the bottom line is this everybody has the divine birthright to reconnect because it's we're all part of this family and the distortion comes in when we embrace fear and negativity and that so it's an interpretation religion is an interpretation of what the creator is okay so when we feel because this is an experience that i know many people um have deep experiential wisdom yes sure it's the idea of literally being unbounded love and just being tied into source on a divine godlike basis and just being there and just being fucking in love with that then you're saying when you're in that state there's no room for fear right and that's beautifully said because then then now we're saying all the way back to source which is that if we were all vibrating on that wavelength of love peace prosperity there'd be no room for fear and and there's no need for dormant and then there's and there's no room for religion okay not organized religion like that everybody i talked to they said i'm spiritual and not religious yeah because religion is political it's the politics of spirituality that we don't really need that it's sort of like the the economic system it's based on fear and lack there is no lack of anything the creation is all about abundance creativity connecting you know connecting that was the other thing that was shown to me when i was up in the mountains in malibu was uh that they were all connected to a through a web of light science calls it entanglement yes but i saw it i've seen it i've actually seen some graphics of it it's it's very rudimentary because when i saw it it was totally holographic and i realized i was part of that web of life or life yes yes yes and it's not just light it's information it's emotions it's everything it's everything and it's like so how can we sit here and say oh i'm i'm i'm poor i'm homeless i'm sick i'm well well hold on you're you're a child of god you're you're in creation you're not just sitting on a planet in a room you're surrounded by a massive creation by this intelligent creator that loves you it's like hello are you paying attention no you're distracted by the fear you know whatever it is whatever it is and that you know like i said this is not to judge anybody okay because i've been i struggled with this my whole life i'm 59 i don't mind telling people i'm you know i've been around robert looks hella good by the way i met this was our first time meeting in person and i was like thanks but i just don't want to talk about the point is i'm not i know okay i look young but i've actually been around i've been to 59 countries in 59 years so far so i've seen some of the world yeah and that doesn't mean that i know anything more than anybody but i've made an effort to try and figure things out and i've had a lot of help along the way you know why because i asked i asked it's okay to ask that's not a religious thing by the way to ask for help for you think it's religious to ask from your parents can you help me out no no and so i but i was surprised let me tell you when i i wasn't just sitting on that mountain that night going help help help i somehow intuitively knew that what what i experienced that day that boy with the with the boy and his grandparents where he was bleeding to death that that felt evil so what is the opposite of that it was frightening it really was frightening okay and it so i somehow i intuitively knew that the opposite of that would be love and and so you could say it was accidental or whatever believe me it wasn't a logical thing i don't think love is all about logic that's what i say before think less feel more we think so much we kind of cut off this area yeah and actually you know hard math institute i think you were talking about yeah they've they've actually mapped it that this is the biggest energy of field here but we can increase it or decrease it only we can only we can do that for ourselves okay yeah you could say somebody could be where you could be what he targeted individual now directed energy weapons is something come on i know that stuff is real but you don't have to participate in it i don't i know it's real i know people try to screw with me a lot because they don't like me talking about these matters you know it's being so transparent or or you know truthful but it's my god given right to to communicate all right and i'm i'm doing more from my heart yes now you can tell when someone is speaking from their heart versus their brain you can tell it's hard for me it's hard for me too it's a very beautiful process of learning it's like going through processes of slowing down and opening your heart and feeling unbounded love for the divinity in you and for all the people that are watching every moment is beautiful if you allow yourself to really connect doesn't matter what it is a glass of water or a beautiful bowl of candy or there's lights out here or butterflies i don't care man if you let yourself connect to it on a heart level yes you start to see the beauty in everything and everyone it's fine because in the contrasting perspective to that is something like there's not enough time the economy is roaring right now we need to capitalize on the amount of profits that we can make yeah i feel sorry for people that go down that path because ultimately they're just screwing themselves yeah they're going to hurt some other people but actually again this is part of them circuit breaker the negative people are attracted to each other to do the negative deeds and it's like an here's the thing it's like snow building up to a point where there's just an avalanche you know that's i know it's not the best analogy that's a good one too well it's okay i like these analogies they're all good circuit breakers avalanches gardens you know they used to call those parables parables yeah yeah anyway okay we're getting somewhere we're getting really are figuring it out and it's not complicated but it is difficult it is difficult when you've been not complicated but difficult yeah yeah yeah because it's because it's self work it's about self work because the longer you you've been addicted to negativity yeah the right the more difficult it is to embrace the love quotient and start letting that work on you because it's through you i mean i just like yeah through you through you because see this is the thing it's the old code the web of light is enormous your computer can do a lot but when you plug it into the internet now it's got it's got parallel processing from millions of computers okay the same is true for our soul when we connect to the web of light there's all kinds of stuff you can upload download whatever yeah that's a great way to put it yeah it's kind of like when you get connected to the web of light that you get to actually tune into new channels that previously you may have only been living life on channel three but now you learn that there's fucking channel four through six thousand yeah and there's also not only those channels but then you also get to experience divine beings and understanding what their channels are and like what their how many channels they've surfed in okay so all right that's again that's a you're right but that's an intellectual way of putting it yeah what about the love quotient you want you want to increase your love quotient okay fine love somebody else so you got to love yourself first but then when you start to do like here's what i was blown away by i was wondering why was i why did i ended up saving three people's lives in such a short time when i was young because it usually that doesn't happen to people right and i thought that was really strange what's the purpose of it until i read this children's book that was an opportunity that was a gift to me yeah and i i thought back and i'm like wow i mean it's you don't even you it's a reflexive thing for me anyway i wasn't thinking of going well i'm i'm earning good karma or something no it wasn't like that it's like holy crap somebody's gonna die you know i don't know them i just want to help because because i have empathy all right i'm intact i still have whatever you want to call it but i was reading this children's book they said you know what if you saw someone drowning would you pray to god no you save or you go save them and it's like and if you did wouldn't that be a blessing not only for that person but for you that you did actually you were there to do to do the work of god yeah you know to help the rest of your fellow your family member see that's the thing you know i say i i used to think like everybody else because i was raised that way oh well you're not part of my family you know you're not part of my religion you're not part of my country but the more i started traveling around i'm meeting all kinds of people from around the world i realized oh man we're all the same yeah we're all in this together people from around the world really quickly behave like your family a lot of the time do you know even the language even the language they if when they they say hey brother or they'll say sister or auntie or uncle they don't just call you like by your name if you're a friend if you're friend they call you that they refer to you as family yes yes i noticed that i was like wow okay so they haven't lost that connection yeah like stay stay over at our home please eat with us yeah help us that too yeah yeah yeah much greater hospitality let's let's talk about universal healthcare okay so what is the deal with us not having not having like an adequate way for us to take optimal care of our bodies and for us to uh get rid of the amount of self-dealing that exists in the healthcare system and replace that with inclusive stakeholder with each other's health we're super far away from let food be that medicine medicine be that food these like first principle ways of thinking were so far away from that now it's like now it's like we're relying on on on self-dealing institutions that feed us we're dealing we're relying on governments to ensure us we're relying on them to provide services to us it just feels as though everything's upside down and backwards it is it is because in another part of it is that they're not dealing with the emotional aspect they treat us like machines or i should say we permit them to treat us like we're just biomechanisms that they can slice and dice and medicate and it does very little to deal with the actual energy of who we are you know and in that regard we're all ill i think i think we're all suffering we all need to heal yes and again a big part of that is forgiveness and you ever hear that walking into any clinic no you need to forgive yourself hey let me tell you something i'm my wife i shouldn't say this but my wife is very very sad she was depressed i said well have you forgiven yourself she said for what i said look come on just start start with one thing once see what happens what's three pages later three pages she's like oh my god i'm feeling so much better yeah oh my god yeah welcome to grieving yeah welcome to writing down how we feel and we're fighting on yeah we're not most of us are not in touch with our emotions so okay you want to have universal healthcare first you got to reform the healthcare system so that it's really working for everybody okay it isn't i know it's all about profit right now that's a big part of but it's not even functional it doesn't do the job all right and that that i feel is the really big problem that nobody wants to address yet some people little people but i'm talking about in the medical profession if you go in for a broken leg you'll get your light fix quite well you'll get a fucking big bill yeah if you especially going on insurance but at least it works you do get your light fix right but then there's okay there's the then there's a bigger question why was your leg broken to begin with what lesson was to be learned i'll tell you i don't have broken a lot of bones with the lesson i did i was on the tennis court and i fell backwards and i and i broke my wrist i healed it up in about six weeks and i avoided surgery that's crazy yeah that's what the doctor said he said i didn't want to tell you this but you were so close to having surgery with pins and or screws and i'm like really and he goes yeah i he goes i'm amazing what you did well i said i had help you know but i use supplements and i and and other sound therapy and i also went and i saw somebody i needed to i talked to this really great acupuncture she goes look you need more than just needle she goes i know how to do the electricity i can put a leg i can literally put electricity on both sides of this and we'll jump the gap and help it but i'm like okay i don't i don't want to cast i don't want to get no i said i don't want surgery i don't want to cast i just don't want to have surgery on top of this i said i know how i did this i know what was wrong what i was thinking i was really angry at these the inner demons yeah and i and i was cursing them calling them ankle fighters instead of and you know what i tripped over my own ankles on the court and broke my wrist yeah see you do a good job at literally immediately seeing the lesson and that's big because then you can have a process self-reflection and then growth from that i'm just saying it's for all of us though it's an opportunity to heal on multiple levels yeah you know and uh ultimately i realized i learned something very valuable is that um cursing the inner demon is actually playing into the negativity correct you know it's a little combat evil where you shine light and be pure you rise above it with love and compassion and good deeds and it's like just being pissed at them you know or threatening them or whatever it's not only that it actually it's it's it gives them license to them and further attack us let's let's try and do this from a uh uh a redesign and reset perspective again so healthcare yeah okay what would it look like if we were to reset our redesigns are we thinking like uh you know the child's born to the world and immediately the first thing that the child is getting is that love and compassion parents the food and water it's these are like it's based on like family community and all these other inclusive stakeholders that care about the child's well-being okay if the child gets sick then now the question is or the adult gets sick now if the adult's leg is broken or sick what whatever the deal is what happens at that point how do we help people that already exist what I'm more focused on is preventative medicine you know okay in a holistic fashion and it levels that I don't think are being even considered right now we should be healthy we should live a lot longer clean water food sleep exercise the basics and there's other we have like royal life we know we could be brought instead of cell towers broadcasting frequencies that that disrupt ourselves we could be broadcasting frequencies that actually energize and rejuvenate ourselves do we know what frequency oh yeah sure it's very simple it's we already know what frequencies healthy cells vibrate they have the code they know we need to pulse out the frequency that healthy cells yeah I mean and that's part of health care by the way okay that should be part of health care is is holistic it's not just something you do after you hurt yourself it's it's it's preventive interesting so could massive towers be pulsing out the same frequency that healthy cells I'll tell you I'll tell you the God certain certain entities already know how to do this it's called the tree of life it's not a tree it's a cell tower it's ancient technology Atlanteans had that they misused it and ultimately cut their whole civilization collapsed but the tree of life and the tree of good and evil is is cell tower technology that's what we call it now all right so I'm going to walk you through this I think I told you about this before and I have all the graphics I could prove what I'm saying to you the tree of life is a what we now call a cell tower because it was broadcasting frequencies that literally went into our cells and rejuvenate to the gods the so-called gods of Atlantis they're not from other planets they're from this one and they went into the dark they went to the dark side but anyway the tree of knowledge of good and evil it's the same thing it's it's what we call cell towers it's this wireless network technology and it is both we use it for good other people use it for evil you see that every day you look on the internet it's like oh my god some people are just putting like you know beautiful puppy love out there other people are like it's so toxic you don't even want to touch you know you know I'm just like please please right so that's that those two trees now if you want to say Robert you know it's that cell towers are not trees well guess guess what look around you have you seen the cell tower disguised a tree as trees it's the same thing it's been here for thousands of years it's just it was off limits to us when it was given to the modern version of the workers the genetically modified workers they're not from the gods are not from anywhere other than this world right they abuse the technology because they lack the spirituality their science went up to here their spirituality was down here they abused the genetics they abused the energies and they literally collapsed on so but when they reconstituted it they wanted to have this servant class so so there's various levels of of manipulation that have gone on here or abuse I would say of the creation and we didn't invent this stuff yesterday technology like this has been around forever and it always will be it just it's inherent in who and what we are it's the abuse of it though is the problem so when we talk about health care universal health care it is something as I said before part of the thing is they're not just making us sick they're making us crazy with these self towers that's been proven it's it makes people irritable and or literally violent you know and and it's not a conspiracy theory that's just a condition that we're suffering from so as I said before we're all suffering we're all ill on some level because of this so that has to stop that has to stop otherwise we're never going to be well we can't really heal when that kind of violation is going on that distortion is really cutting us off from the rest of creation yes and it's you know again it's a challenge it's done by design by the dark side because it wants to perpetuate itself this is really interesting about code but they call artificial life the first one the first one that was written was called sugar skate and it was red and black digital hands by over a digital pile of sugar and each time was slightly different it was the same thing there's very few rules in the code but they were fighting they were competing I should say they're competing so this is another problem is the the level of competition that we accept in not just health care but everything else but especially since we're talking about health care there should if there was a level of cooperation in health real health care across the planet a shared benefit system whatever that may look like I don't know but it has to be global it shouldn't be just regional it has to be global because we're all part of the same never we're all part of the same family here's a thing it what we're talking about it's not it doesn't take a lot of money to do these things to broadcast these frequencies it's there's more profit in keeping people sick and stupid and that's why they perpetuate it okay so so the thing is people need to it's it's what we're saying before about laying down the weapons the only reason that this persists is because of the paranoia yeah so then because there's more money in giving people stupid ignorance but that's but that's a very limited when I said profit way that it propagates that's not that's not peace and prosperity for everybody that is allegedly profit for some at the expense of the money the many which is which is a solution towards peace and prosperity would mean to do things like to take the vibrational frequency of healthy cells and propagate that so yeah well you could just sure hey it doesn't take you could do a startup for that and just to see if it works I'm sure it will and I'm sure there'll be a resistance to it you watch how fast but watch how fast the the tower of life for the tree the new tree of life that's off limits why is it off limits to us well the gods forbid it and who are the gods they're not from somehow the world they're here they're us me so I could meet that actually um pass that along to the right people to make that happen sure the tech guys could do it they've got the money they've got the technology to now let's resume at um black and red ants fighting for sugar just like there's a big game of monopoly that's being played on planet earth uh yeah the whole level of competition is artificial because again there's no lack there's nothing but abundance everything is available to us the old saying is god provided and man divided it's again it's based on fear um there was something that they brought they've keeps popping into my head though about healing you know some people have the gift of healing and where is it coming from this is not an endorsement for religion by the way okay I just wanted I wanted to I wanted to demonstrate something to people here let's see if I can get this on camera maybe you can put that for the camera okay let's do it okay and then you tell us about what we're what we're seeing here yeah maybe just bring a little closer okay yeah okay that's called the transfiguration of Christ that was sometime before he was crucified up on a mountain that we still don't know where it is but that's him under um at night basically glowing like a light bulb so and now most people would recognize that he is one of the greatest healers allegedly then that that we've ever known how in the world did he do it he wasn't a doctor it's because he he was radiating that love that you see right there and so there's it doesn't have to be technology it really doesn't you know it's again it has to it it starts on a holistic level at in the soul and the heart and most people don't even know that this event even happened because religions don't want to talk about it because they don't understand it but it's it's real what he was doing there was healing the planet he was radiating love to the entire planet even though he knew he was physically going to be crucified because of the fear that people I mean that's the only reason he showed up was to help us heal our hearts so it took me forever to figure out what was going on there because that made zero sense to me why how how does somebody glow you know well but I experienced that too and not me personally but I when I met uh September 22nd 1985 when I was on the mountain and I was meditating or whatever and I went out of my body and I met this guy said he was my father he looked exactly like that he didn't sound Jesus he just he was radiating this light and I couldn't figure it out because I had never even seen that picture at the time I was only you know I was a young man I didn't know anything about transfiguration to Christ that only came later as I was trying to understand this stuff and I do want to put it in the context of healing because when you are healthy you tend not to get sick or fall down and hurt yourself or if you do you heal really fast much faster than when if you're pissed off and you're giving on the pills and somebody's stabbing you and stitching you and whatever yeah it'll work that's a really long way around but it doesn't have to be like that that's all I'm trying to say okay radiate light and love and from your heart and we will heal faster have peace faster yeah yeah individually and collectively I mean seriously that's how he was doing those so-called miracles you people didn't see the light coming off of him but I'm guarantee you it was there I guarantee you it was there yeah that's a really important um next step in what um some of our friends are doing with their with spirituality is they are figuring out how to have a um of a of a phosphorescent rock that can sense prana and then the more spiritually developed someone is while they're looking at the rock the more it the phosphorescence well yeah so yeah yeah yeah so we're we're there's a bunch of interesting um that would be like a love meter to know to know love meter right to yes to understand the person that's why I brought it up yeah yeah yeah no that's a good one hypothetically or in a fictional sense that exists in the books I was telling you about that are on my website the army AMI the friend yeah so I figured somebody would already has it and somebody else here is going to come up with it although do we really need to see that I mean maybe you can see it in people's eyes but yeah then it's kind of like some that that's the science component too is potentially that you can that that that that could be interesting seeing but if you if you see here's the thing you you either feel it or you don't it's really impossible to fake when a person is emitting radiating that love yeah or not yeah I mean because like I said they're so called these vampires you know the the dark side whatever psychopaths they're good at tricking people but only only those who are still harboring the fear that are looking for someone or something else to save them rather than doing the work and actually reconnecting to the cosmos and then being empowered and healing themselves and then helping others to do the same thing that's the chain reaction that we're looking for yeah that will solve all these problems yeah so one guy called in and said because I was asking on the show if if love is the answer what is the question he said it doesn't matter what the question is it's it solves all the problems so just you know that's kind of a it's an idiotic question well maybe the question it's irrelevant maybe the question is what is the meaning of life or love well I think the meaning of life is to be in love and so then that would be the question potentially but yeah the answer is just love what about the world without borders whenever we have that initial overview effect of seeing the planet without the borders it was fascinating how more spiritually awakened we became right and so we all want to live in this world that our hearts know and feel as possible but right now there's this like complexity of like okay I can't just drop the border because then the next day we'll just have a bunch of people show up in our country that's happening anyway it's happening anyway look even if you have the borders there's people going to cross them anyway the thing is it's artificial just like time just like money and to a large extent religion you know we're kind of touching on all this we're kind of going around the same issue from different angles all right that's what I really think we're doing yeah which is a good thing it's that's what holistic means yeah you look at the whole thing from every angle not just one or two angles right yes so so borders is is a it's not an illusion if you believe it that's that's the shared hallucination you were talking about before yeah money time and borders but but truthfully borders only exist because of a of fear of so-called other people who are other others yeah no such thing no such thing we're all part of the same family yeah see and that's how you eliminate borders that's how we will ultimately eliminate border not just on this planet but throughout all a creation will start to like I said once we drop a lot of this fear stuff enough of the fear quotient is is goes down and we raise our love quotient those other loving family members from off our world are going to interact with us and and help us and show us the way to become networked with all the other civilized loving worlds yeah and there's no borders between them it's not like the Star Wars of the Federation you know and like everybody's fighting with everybody throughout the galaxy for competing for something they're they're cooperating they're collaborating they're compassionate they actually enjoy sharing with each other like family do family loves each other okay and it makes it strong there's there's an old analogy about that one twig you can snap two it's harder three it's almost impossible that's the strength of the family yeah and that's the strength of dropping all our borders too we're under the illusion that somehow we need them to be strong to be a strong country no actually it makes us weaker that perception is cutting us off dividing us up and isolating us from each other yes and propagating fear rather than that love yeah yeah i know i know it sounds like i'm repeating myself maybe i know it's it's it's actually you like you you just described it we're looking at the conversation of the path towards peace and prosperity from so many different angles yeah that's why yeah i really like that it's again it's just that it's not a light switch like okay fine like the we we get that all the things that we've been talking about have been we want as part of our future but we're purposely at this point because we disconnected from source so we had all these issues arise and now it's not a light switch to turn off the bad ones into light switch up to turn on the good ones it's just that easy yeah so that way there's this like titration process of how do we actually transition to the world without borders how do we actually get universe out here how do we actually do global disarmamentary set the global financial system abolish organized religion like yeah okay let's do um ethical governance and peace and prosperity so let's wrap with these thoughts okay uh no one else can represent you not really not in the not in reality okay the whole concept of advocating your personal responsibility and saying you know my lawyer or my politician or my priests or whatever my doctor they're all need to represent my best interests that is a huge lie and it this none of this is going to stop as long as we keep um supporting that system individually see this is this is a thing about personal responsibility it's not just one thing it's everything and that's where again it's not really complicated it's just hard it is hard to do this to start the process and you have to be courageous I think on some level not crazy but you know why is courage important because it's the opposite of fear it's an aspect of being in love with yourself yeah to say I can I can do these things I choose to do these things and I know that I can have help I can ask for help if I'm if it's really hard it's okay doesn't mean you're asking somebody to do it for you okay but it's okay to ask them for some help yeah and I told you it's happened to me many times I wasn't even expecting the help to come actually but I was surprised when it came I was grateful and it often came at times and in ways that I wasn't expecting at all and it literally took me sometimes decades to understand how beautiful how profound and and and loving that help was or is you know in my life and that's why I feel obligated to share it with other people I don't always do the best job explaining it because it's embodied wisdom it's an experiential yeah it is experiential yeah but I try you know I think it's important to tell the stories which then get people more feeling they're them put the feelers out to try and also experience that themselves yeah and share the stories around how people feel it differently or feel it similarly yes as long as it's based in love and positivity and just being practical too I mean I don't think anything we've talked about is I know it may sound strange because some people are hearing this for the first time it's like whoa disarmament you know no borders I mean what was this guy crazy you know we can't live like that well actually we can we just choose not to the world our hearts all know is possible and it's just that the transition to get there isn't the light switch which makes it harder and then but the slow self-work and the slow away from fear towards love mentality across the world will grassroots enable all of the conversation well the time is now unfortunately it's not like we have forever I mean what we kind of do we don't there's cycles that happen right throughout the environment and we know that nature and this world our solar system which is actually called a heliosphere it's not a flat thing like a record it's a bubble of energy right coming out of the sun and it is transiting through creation we galaxy whatever you want to call it but something called space weather and we have entered our little bubble of energy the solar system has moved into this massive cloud of energy that NASA for some reason calls the fluff other people in the new age call it the photon zone or the photon ban it's an age of enlightenment literally we're in the light we've moved into a much higher energy region of of creation yes okay and we're going to transit through it for at least two three hundred years according to NASA's you know estimations or calculations and we have to get with the program that's why the planet has heated up actually all the planets throughout the solar system have heated up that's why you have more geological earthquakes and volcanoes and weird weather and just people basically if they're negative that extra energy is making them actually feel more it's amping them up in a more you know that negativity where's it going to go you turn it up if you're listening to freaking metal music you turn it up well you're going to get louder mental music it's not going to suddenly just shift just because you crank up the amp so that's the problem we're facing that's why some people are just losing it right now because the the energy level is increasing the amount of conscious evolution happening around our planet so rapidly through so many different modalities the meditations the psychedelics the neuro technologies the connections to source across all these different ways embodiments of indigenous wisdom connections to nature I mean there's just endless amount of ways and that we literally feel it I mean this program uh like a year and a half ago was not as grounded in source it was not as grounded in nature and the spiritual wisdoms and so now all of a sudden this program becomes a more awakened spiritually as well you know because the host in itself has as well yeah and so it's just very interesting that I mean even this show is an exact example of what you were just describing and what we were just talking about with this overall consciousness evolution happening around the planet people are are really wondering well where what is my way of climbing up that mountain of conscious evolution do I do this do I do that how do I partake in the process and there's so many different ways to pick from this like buffet a la carte of the process you but like those long periods of focus of climbing up the mountain and the sincere self work towards love away from fear will get us to the peace and prosperity yeah it's one step at a time like you said you don't just flip a switch and end up you have to earn it you have to work for it in order for it to have value for you individually us I should say but it's it's it's a gift believe it or not this is a gift and it's our divine birth right and if we choose not to accept it that's permissible unfortunately you can't enforce enlightenment or love in somebody's heart right they don't if the person if a soul doesn't not want to have that connectivity does want to have that level of creativity peace and prosperity family that's their choice that is designed into it as well free will is part of the process I'm only mentioning it because I was shown that this is even though there's a lot of us are going to choose this path back into the light to connect with the web of light and all the creativity and the prosperity and the peace and love and happiness that comes with it some of us are too are going to remain in fear some of us here will remain yeah there's a split I wasn't sure how that they were going we're going to coexist actually I felt we couldn't coexist but they can coexist it's just that one will be a higher level of conscious evolution and the other will be fear-based once we if we I should say if and when we crossed a certain threshold a level with the tipping point of love quotient here and the and the rest of our family starts to come in and give us assistance part of the assistance is that they will remove certain individuals that are danger to themselves and others yeah they're not going to punish them they're just going to put them someplace safe because the it's like I said about weeds in the garden you know you can't have this lush beautiful garden and permit the weeds to keep growing in there it inhibits the process yeah all right and and so you know under the penal system that we currently have just just crushing them punishing them or killing people that you know have fear it doesn't go away that was the really weird part it's like you can it it's still persist in the background it's the sub-program running in the background so we have to collectively raise above it you know not to not just punish individuals that are embodying yet we have to literally we have to embody more of of the love than they embody the fear and the hatred in order to really tip the whole thing over then they just kind of fade out yeah you know or like I said we get help we get help dealing with it in a very benign peaceful and compassionate way the love quotient tipping point yeah okay I like that yeah that's our that's our next episode title slash album cover slash film score I love quotient tipping well the thing is it's a it's obtained attainable this is not unrealistic what we're talking about I know it sounds weird some people nothing's impossible especially not maximizing prosperity if you want to know something my wife did an ad campaign this is so cool let me just see this you're gonna love this okay yeah that one yeah yeah she actually she sold at the Scientology years ago it's really obvious I don't know maybe come in backwards on yours just looks back it's um yeah for those for those that are just listening to you know Robert just wrote impossible and then crossed off that I am so it's just as possible now yeah it's hey it's a great campaign of the other one that I'm that I'm familiar with is when it's a there's like a guy that's kicking the I am off of impossible and just as possible yeah it's all a matter of perception it is a matter of perception and especially this one is the most important is that we do our self-work that we develop peace and love and prosperity and take the weeds of fear and so we can continue cultivating the garden yes yeah there's a component there consciousness is a huge part of it but the creativity the level of creativity that we can attain we've only just touched the like just the tip of it yeah that's the big one is that um if you really want to see creativity flourish then do this because then you'll see the real creativity right now it's just like a little tiny I know this sounds a little bit certain like circular logic but we were created by a creator to be creative that's good I like that well yeah because it's true yeah okay but most of us has a lost side of it because we're the fear creeps in and it overshadows the creativity okay we use our creative um ability to to manifest things that support the fear instead of support the love right yeah created by the creator to be creative I love it it's true it's it's it just doesn't get any more true than that yeah I mean it's it's like it's like the most true if somebody can refute that please I'd love to hear it I'd love to hear how you do that just kidding just wouldn't I would be open please leave your thoughts in the comments below about how to refute that because we'd love to we'd love to hear from you on no we were born to be bad and kill people created by creator to be creative I guess the only refuting point that I think some like science may argue would be something like there was no point in the creation and we are just here I've heard that yeah that's a very sad um that I know I mean it really is a very sad perspective it means that that individual has lost sight of creation altogether and more importantly because they've they've cut themselves off anybody can know this stuff Alan it's not a secret yeah it's not a secret it's it's it's available to everybody all the time yeah every breath of air is that right there yeah it is and that's what I mean look in a person's eye drink of water every creative expression well I'll tell you it's a little it's actually it's totally overwhelming when you do plug into the the web of life it some people they say when they have the Kundalini awakening yeah it isn't about just the energy here it's what's coming through through is overwhelming yeah because your consciousness is basically overloaded and also gorgeous it is but it's being really high without any drugs it's amazing well it's also if if you I like you said if you flip the switch you can blow the bulb that's a good point you know because if you handle that kind of wattage so you work your way up to be able to handle a lot right right right yeah titration of enlightenment yeah of yeah of the slower paced trajectory towards love peace and prosperity yeah Robert this has been another amazing conversation super wide-ranging I've loved it so much what a great topic that they have the peace and prosperity so critical it's mission critical the most mission critical thing I mean yeah in that big synthesis that needs to be more prominent for what we're writing about right now because if the first point is that first principles that we all come from source the second principle is you got to know thyself and know your north star maybe even the second principle is peace and prosperity or maybe it's the third principle is peace and prosperity right now we're also playing around with you know create more value than you capture but yeah peace and prosperity is up there it's it's like literally the point of the creation that was made by the creator is for us to figure out how to be peaceful and prosperous and that's like the ultimate test yeah but like I said it's not complicated we make it complicated that's where the difficulty comes in is is is literally facing our inner fears pulling those weeds from our heart man nobody else can do that we have to do that for ourselves no drug does that by the way no drug that i'm aware of will can can do that for you yeah that's a key is that the sincere self-work has to come ourselves but it's okay to ask for help i mean yeah ask for help yeah but ultimately you have to make correct we have to individually make the choice if we make good choices based on you know good information like this then we can move forward collectively okay because it actually does get easier the whole once you're past the hard part right and you start networking with other people that have done the work and you work together well then actually you're sharing the load and things actually start to happen much easier much faster and in a much bigger way yeah it's not like you're all alone carrying this thing up a hill by yourself yes yes yeah the the further conscious evolution of more and more people makes it easier and easier to be a conscious being right now it's like trying to be a tuning fork in the matrix and so yeah yeah but more and more people are waking up so this is like i said the timing is really important i think if we don't get this done now um we may collapse yeah it could collapse but so what it'll it'll reset anyway yeah but this is uh uh we would like to see if we can break yeah let's see if we can break through you know yeah that's why i said it's a gift this particular time and this particular information is is uh a gift not from me or you but from of course you know totally not just the creator but all of our extended family throughout creation creation exactly the hundred billion of us that came yeah by the way um i finally solved the riddle which came first the chicken or the egg somebody asked me the answer is uh the creator came before the creation it's it's an old joke from the bird tribe but anyways it's not it's not meant to be funny the answer is actually very profound it's it's it's an insight basically here's another question that would be i do think that that would lead to um panentheism which then means that the the the omniscient and omnipotent deity or creator is then separate from uh creation itself not necessarily not necessarily you're right those two things could go into an extension itself and so you could i think that it could they have happened at the same time as the question it could but i mean that so then it didn't come before they came at the same time which came first the chicken or the egg well look at this creator came before the creation what if the creator just made the creation or they were made at the same time i don't think it was just one thing like you just i think therefore i am okay it's like it was in the beginning allegedly was this word whatever the word was this vibration that we call creation could have been love with probably but i mean it was based on that so so all of the various individual aspects that are manifesting do take time i don't think it all happened at one shot because it's so complex it is extremely complex and it's also organic the way we understand organic it's very organic all right it has an intelligence and it is evolving so it took a long time to get here but that's all relative it the thing is it's what if you you know about music or any formal creativity it's like oh i did a song so now i'm done no you so at some point you're going to find another song in another song right or you're going to paint another picture whatever because that's how creativity is and each song and each painting is slightly different and it's beautiful they're all beautiful right so i anyway i'm sorry i'm kind of feel like i'm running around in circles again but it's beautiful um and i don't know why i was saying chicken and egg oh it's because some people still struggle they they ignore it like it's nothing it's actually very it's it's a key it's supposed to trigger an insight because it's a very relatable one the chicken and the egg and which one came first the creator made the creation yeah creator created the creation for us to be creative here's the thing here i guess what i was trying to say is the creator it is self-generated it's self-generated yeah it didn't come from nothing obviously it's always been something or it couldn't be something now it's always been something yeah but it it did that that's what creativity is so where did the creator come from it's always it's just always been it's blank all right but it's blank it has all the potential right here but through what creativity because what i'm a creator yeah all right so i that's me that's my that's all self-generated and again this is why it's so important to take responsibility for ourselves for our level of creativity okay instead of just putting it out there and saying i need to be saved you know fix me i need someone to manage yeah yeah yeah because that's me to be governed i need to have a politician yeah all that so anyway yeah versus versus literally feeling the divine power within you being born by creation for you to be creative and fully owning your shit yeah well the big part of is reconnecting with that yes force the force as they say that's the first principle is reconnecting with source that's the first principle well the source has it's the force the the web of light source yeah it's the the web of light is the force when you when we connect to that it gives us all the energy information creativity that we could ever possibly need or want yes all right yes because individually we're very relatively weak like you know your computer is pretty powerful but no no no when you plug the internet yeah it's the same for us as souls when we connect to the web of light the force is with us i like that one we're stronger like when we plug the cpu into internet well yeah if you want to be stronger smarter healthier and happier increase your love quotient connect to the force or the source whatever you want to call it the web of light yeah you know who leveled up another level up rubber dude that was a good one that was so good that was so good my brother sorry we got that we would we would we would love to hear the thoughts in the comments below on the episode we'd love to hear from you definitely let us know what you're thinking about this path to peace and prosperity about the different topics we talked about global disarmament resetting the global financial system of abolition of organized religion universal health care the world without borders ethical governance all these things the love quotient let us know what you're thinking about all of these things really do let us know and let's have a conversation about how to best get there talk more to your friends families co-workers people online on social media about how to best get there and just have more of these conversations around us from moving forward practice that sincere self-work make that a more common practice towards love away from fear and also check out the links in the bio to unicus magazine and the rest of robert's work and also check out the links to simulation as well below support the artist entrepreneurs the organizations the spiritual leaders around the world that you believe in support them our links are below to our paypal patreon cryptocurrency links you can design cool merch and get paid all its stuffs in the bio and also do build the future everyone manifest your dreams into the world we love you very much thank you for tuning in and we will see you soon that was a good one man that was really good that was one of the best interviews you told me this is going to rock yeah in person rocks brother in person I wasn't expecting to go this well honestly I didn't know I mean some kind of synergy collaborative whatever we just did that was freaking amazing that's what's up like so so actually a massive part of what we do is like the interlocutor so like if the interlocutor is has a bright worldview diverse worldview and is able to emotionally engage with the person draw out their wisdoms play good tennis back and forth yeah that's why afterward people say that to us is like good shit that was profound