Morning everyone! Many of you know the globe health network really well, some of you will be new too. We have a couple of new programmes that I really want to tell you about including the diploma. I think next year we have to need a whole section for the diploma. But the big news since we spoke last is the global health network is now a WHO Collaborating Centre which I'll talk more about which is super exciting. There's a few in Oxford but we're a torn approaches centre for the Science Division ond rhan, ar gyfer allan gyda'r busch a fyddwch fan hyffordd. Ac rydym wedi bod wych yn ei ddweud drws wrth yr hyn. Mae'r pethau dyw, mae'r ddweud am erinu. Ond fe wnaeth fydd yn gweithio mewn cyfwyrol am gweithio i whyffodd a'r adnodol yn ddweud y dyma i ddweud y llaw fwyaf ac yn ddechrau'r blaen yw hynny, ac mae'n gweithio i wneud i weithio gyda'r bethau gwaith bod y dyma yw lle yn dystod o'r adnodd oedd, that setting and often adapt the really like seemingly scary and off putting things like federated analysis and make it really practical and applicable in many different settings. You know, we all know that we're all working to try and address the gap in research equity and I know there's a whole session on equity later and I'll talk about our diploma which we hope is making some inroads on that. But basically all the Globe Health Network does is move knowledge, is move information, and we do that in person and online. We had this sort of underpinning talent as well that every disease needs to have every type of research happen and we're doing a lot of work this week which I'll talk about in a minute with the World Health Organization and the WHA resolution on clinical trials which is excellent, but clinical trials don't happen in isolation in it to run a study a clinical trial anywhere you need epidemiology to understand burden of disease, you need social science to really understand the context and obviously everything from diagnosis to just what we can do. yn ymddarnol, mwyaf, a'r hyn o'r ffordd, rydych yn ymweld i'w rhaglen yma. Mae'n ddych chi'n mynd i ddim yn bwysig i ffwll addysgu'r bwysig, a'n ddych chi'n ddweud allu ffwrdd yng ngyfafodol, a fyddwn ni'n gofyniaeth bod hwn yn ddifoedd, a'r ffwrdd yma'n gweithio'n ddweud yn ddengu, yn nifer o'r Llyfrgellol o Leishman i ASYs yn afrygu. Mae'n gweithio'n ddweudio i'n mynd i ddim yn gweithio'r arddangos ac mae'r rhan o'r cyhoeddwyr yn gweithio ar y yw'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio ar y dyfodol o'r cyhoeddwyr ar gyhoeddwyr. Mae'r gweithio'r gweithio ar y gweithio adder yng Nghaerlygu a'r Gweithredu yn ei ddweud i'r meddwl er mwyn rhanol, ac mae'n defnyddio, mae'n ddau i gysylltiadau yng Nghaerlygu. Mae'n rhan o'r gweithio i'r gweithio'r systemu yn ei ddweud, ac mae'n rhan o'r gweithio'r systemu yn ei ddweud i gyd wedi bod hynny, ac mae'r grwp ychydig i gwaith yma, gwaith o'r grwp ffordd yng Ngolod Gweithloed, yn cymdeithasio'r ffordd ar gweithio'r ffordd. Rwy'n gwneud o'r grwp ffordd mewn gwirionedd, rwy'n gweithio'r ymgynghwylliant, ac rydyn ni'n gweithio'n cynnigodau a mecanismu o'r grwp yn gweithio'r ffordd. Rydyn ni'n gymhwylliant ar y platform, ac y gallwn ddwy'r idea yn gweithio'r gwaith y gwrthoedd i'r grwp yn ddechrau, dau'r ddarparu diwrnod, busd yn ddigwydd, diwrnod o gylwyd. Byddwch, beth eu defnyddio'r rheswm agliadau i wych. Pe bachon gael ac yn ddod o ddwylo cymaint o rhanedd – a wnaeth eich peidio a phobl injusticell ei bob bwysig yn cyflin o bwysig. Yn dweud allan gwaith o'r gyfer yw'r hynny i fi fod yn dweud'r hynny yma, yn ei wasgen ei ddod o'r gydigfyrdd. Mae'r prif mwyaf os yw eisiau yn ddweud i'n ddysgu'r rhanedd o feith o'u o'r ystafell o'r ysgol o'r Pwro o'r Prif yn ysgrifennu'r ystafell o'r ystafell sydd ystafell o'r ystafell o'r cyfnod yn gwylliant, oherwydd y gallwn cyfnod oes yn Oxford o'r Ysgrifennu o'r Eirwyddoedd Cymru i'r welganig yn Gylliddoedd. A dyma'r ysgrifennu'n golygu, yna yw ymddych i'r bwysig i'r cyflodd y gallwn ysgrifennu i gyfan y gyd-onai'r gweithio yn ysgrifennu i'r bwysig. Felly dyna'n dweud ar y cyffredinol 15 yma. Mike, rydyn ni'n gyffredinol i'r Gymru? Felly dyna'n gweithio i'r Gwylodau Ievan i'r rhan, yn gyffredinol i'r Gymru, ac mae'n gweithio i'r cyffredinol i'r sefydliadau i'r problemau. Mae'r cyffredinol yn ymgyrchafroedd yng nghyrch yn gweithio i'r Gwylodau Ievan i'r Cyffredinol. Mae'r cyffredinol yn ymgyrchafr hwnnw, idea. We're just trying to create access to protocols and SOPs and things, but over the years it's grown and we now have 60 different interconnected communities of practice. Adam, who I did see somewhere, looks after these communities and we have all these different types of topics, disease areas and crosscutting themes like community engagement, social science, but also disease topics too. And so those are run by organisations like WHO, CEPI, many of the big NIH funding groups say, and so they all have their own particular topic within the wider topic of global health research. And so those groups are all using the global health network as their mechanism for sharing their knowledge and information and working with their teams. But the real exciting piece is we have literally hundreds of thousands of research workers, lab staff, community health workers, nurses, doctors, policy makers who come in their thousands to access those tools and resources. And that's why I keep saying all we're doing really is mobilising knowledge in between the two. And we do a lot of work with the WHO across different areas and that's what's really helped us bring this together in this really large connected platform. We've done a lot of thinking on the last few years about the governance and structure because it's great sitting in Oxford being an Oxford entity. And that's very important for sometimes for students they like to have that Oxford clarity or external partners as well. But we're all working really hard to take Oxford out more and have that more equitable approach. And really for the global health network we don't want it to be a kind of Oxford thing. And so we've set this up as a global franchise and we have collaborating centres in Africa, Asia, Latin America and soon adding MENA, aren't we, Sylvia, which is very exciting. So the Middle East and North Africa region, really for the Arabic speaking nations. So funding can go directly to all of these partners now. And our recent award we've just got from Welcome. We've got six partners, seven partners across Latin America. And the grant is going literally there's no lead PI and there's no lead institution. It's proper teen science. And that grant will be going equally across all of those institutions. And many of our partners will apply for a grant as the global health network Ghana or Malaysia or wherever they're going to be. Certainly the MENA region is taking this approach and the funding can go directly to them. And we are representing the global operations team, but even we're not solely based in Oxford anymore and we have colleagues around the globe. And it really does work well on this really trying to create this equity into where research funding goes. So just as an example, this is what's happening in Africa. We work with Africa CDC and AMREF. We've got MOUs with all these different organisations and all the dots are individuals. And these are colleagues that are employed as the global health network coordinator for different topics. So we work with IDRC, for example, and they were running a programme on AI with them. We have four coordinators across Africa who are working to connect up and do capacity building in AI, in healthcare. And that is the model that we roll for all those different topics. And that means we can have this really nice footprint on the ground where we can deliver things like research cards and workshops in the workplace. And any of those teams that we have employed under that particular role can also turn their hand to any of the other topics we want to deliver. And this is the same across the other regions too. So people come because they want to find these training courses. We've got professional development scheme, many of you know about already. And all of these largely now are driven by our partners who contribute the content onto the training. But this could also be delivered in person across that regional network that we've just described. The idea is that it's like a journey to impact. So nobody really comes to the global network once and just does a GCP course. But we build this relationship with our community over many years, literally many years now. And the idea is that they can come and find a piece of training. They might connect up with others. They might form a working group and run a particular study. They might come back and do a workshop. And it's this really sequential learning over time. And we divide everything up around this sort of core set of skills that we want to impart and apply that to whatever disease is appropriate. So this graph really shows how that can happen for any one individual, but it could also happen for a team or even a whole programme. And it's a long term, slow but really building set of experience. So a lab in Ghana, for example, has worked with us for many years and they have all of their nice certificates in their labs training teams. But they means that they can attract funding from outside partners and workers research centres for other groups. But they've been using this all to also apply for grants or to find another assay with another colleague. And then when COVID came along, we connected up with lots of groups to work with other programmes so they could run the disease characterization protocols. So it's all this sort of long term connecting up that's really, really impactful over time. I just quickly want to mention this new initiative we've got because it might be something that many of you could take on and think about whether it would be a useful thing in your work. So we work with the WHO 75 year anniversary and they wanted to have leadership challenges. So we were thinking about how we could use this with lots of the work we do. And we came up with trying to work with nurses, midwives, allied health workers, community health workers. You know, that workforce at the front line that really can be taking up a leadership role in research, but are often kind of at the bottom of the pyramid and often don't get that opportunity. So they do research and then they don't really have the opportunity to really be recognised for that or step up. And so the thousand challenges can be launched later this month, hopefully, and will be a system that will take teams through that process. It helps you set the question, work out what they're going to measure and then catch the data, report it and take those findings up into practice. So if they're going to take a step of the way, they're offered help and support, either with resources we have already or we're also set up support groups for each of these studies. So each of those steps they need. So they might need different people over the course of time. They might need help setting up RedCap or they might need help going to their employers and asking, you know, even permission to do the studies. I think examples we've been talking to groups in Nepal who wants to go into the community and look at some mental health processes they've been doing for a long time. Maybe they're running support groups or mentoring schemes in the community, but they don't know it works and they've never measured it. So it's a really straightforward practical piece of work where we can assess whether or not it's having an impact on the community and work with them to work out what they measure to show whether that works or not. So there's just, you know, there's 100 million ideas of things that could be applied to this. And the point is, it's just a support system that takes them through the process of running a good study but makes it visible. It's under the thousand challenge banner. It's a WHO initiative. We're trying to say Tedros to give the Tedros prize for various elements of it. Thank you, SAS for the idea on prizes. Another example is our colleague Maurevoir in Calife who's done a really nice piece of work over many years with colleagues on the ward there. And she described this to us as an audit, which it could be described as an audit, but it was a really nice high quality piece of work that changed the practice on the ward. So that's a great example of a thousand challenge that we're going to use this actually as an example to test the system. I just quickly want to explain one of the latest sort of innovations that we're able to do with the global health network, which is to be a research platform in its own right. So this is a piece of work we've just done with welcome. So I can't share these slides, but I'm happy to just show the sort of big, big sort of headline outcome. Welcome on to just to work with them rather than run a meeting in the Euston Road to say where should we be funding our infection disease grants. And so they work with us. We run this nice process, it's like a kind of crowd delphi. We had 3,700 respondents from across the global south and the questions were really clear. What infectious diseases do you think are the highest threat of escalation? What sort of research should be being done and what are the barriers to doing that research? The big message was that we've got the arborviruses and the really vector-borne diseases off the scale when we grouped us together as seen as the biggest threat in the global south compared to the most respiratory infections in the global north and a very different picture depending where you are in the world and actually quite a different picture than many of the funders are actually wanting to fund. So we were delighted with these results for my colleagues for the Africa, you know, still keeping malaria obviously on the dashboard there. And the driver for that when we looked into the data which we pushed into, we took this to workshops. So we did a big survey and then we did three workshops around the globe and said why, you know, tell us the context. It was climate change and the movement of vectors. So not necessarily a surprise but a very strong body of robust evidence to explain that. And so this is how it looks when you look at the difference between the high and low income countries. So this is a draft report at the moment so I just wanted to share it to you because it's quite interesting. I'll just click forward a bit on this but this is, we've also just repeated this methodology for the WHO. We've just been presented today by Vassie and I think Jeremy at PAHO meeting. This isn't their slide but the nice thing is you can almost overlay it because the work we've just done with WHO was to ask about the WHO trials resolution that's gone out and WHO are trying to implement it and we've done a piece of research then to ask what the barriers are and what the perceptions are about implementing the WHO trials resolution and we almost had exact same picture come through. A similar number of respondents, a different audience but they were all saying that with agreement about institutional support but obviously research training because that's what we do. The institutional report, community engagement, access to funding but really working in communities and networks is really vital so we're very pleased to get this evidence. Just to finish off, this is really exciting, it's a great week to be presenting this. We have our first cohort of students this week, Oxford's first entirely distant qualification. It took seven years to get it through the system in Oxford and our target audience are people that are already working in research in the workplace but for social, economic, whatever reasons they can't come to Oxford and so this is all about creating equity and who can access an Oxford qualification and so this course is based on the essential curricula which was the diagram I showed you right at the beginning which was a study from the same methodology I just described and that's where we set out the essential curricula for health research so this diploma will take students through this whole set of learnings and hopefully equip them to really design and lead and run their own studies and we really appreciate the support of Afox as well, having some scholars through for this and we may even think about taking this up into the masters and also following with other similar courses with this online approach. It hasn't been easy because it's Oxford's first so you can imagine but we're really proud and really excited. We're also quite keen if anybody's interested in doing some teaching or helping with exam boards, tutors, it's a really nice one to get involved with. It's not a huge workload and we really want to involve lots of people and also students for next year just selling that out there. So this is really what we do to try and really create some of that equity and hopefully this sort of workplace ethos is really impacting some of the sustainable development goals.


and welcome back to the Donahue Group. We're so glad that you could join us for another half hour of scintillating conversation about issues of importance, at least locally and around the state. Joining me today, former state Senator Cal Potter, also former assistant superintendent of schools for library services, Tom Paneski, still hard at work as a professor of mathematics at the University of Wisconsin-Shabuigan, enjoying his summer, I hope. Ken Risto, he still has a job at the Shabuigan area's school district, so we're really pleased about that. As of the taping. At least as of the taping. Director of social studies for the district and a fine teacher. My name is Mary Lynn Donahue. I'm a lawyer and the host of this fine program. We're gonna talk today about issues in the city and in the county. It's been, as always, don't we live in an interesting place, but it's been an interesting time. I thought we would just start out with what I think is one of the guzzier moves of the Shabuigan press in recent history, which was to publish, quite publicly, the salaries of about, what, 40 or 50,000 people. It just seemed that way. Your salary was published. My salary was in there. My salary was in there. And, of course, Cal, you're in retirement and I just claw privately for whatever little bits and pieces I can get here and there, so there's the one advantage to the private sector. I forgot what you make. I think I remember what you make. So how do you feel about that? I canceled my subscription within 15 minutes. All right. I have no problem as a public servant having the taxpayers who are paying the freight know what the beginning salaries of teachers are and see the salary schedule, what we pay people, what the top of the schedule is. I have no problem with them finding out the range which we pay building principals and administrators. I have no problem with them publishing Joe Sheehan's salary because he negotiates that one-on-one and there isn't a salary range. In my view, this is the Sheboygan Press trying to sell newspapers. And if you're that desperate to sell newspapers, you're obviously a dying dinosaur in the tar pit of history. And we have goodbye to the Sheboygan Press in a couple of years because this is just the desperate act of a desperate institution. I think in a dumb business decision, if you're trying to sell newspapers and you've got literally thousands of public employees who are now ticked off and who will cancel their subscription, where do they expect to pick up those losses? They're not gonna get it from people who say, oh, I love the Sheboygan Press now that they've finally published these salaries. There's no constituency. I think that they're gonna gain out of this thing. So they're just gonna promote ill will amongst a good segment of our public sector who are good, hardworking people and have them cancel and they're gonna be sitting there with fewer and fewer subscriptions. So I really don't see what their motivation was other than the real boneheaded decision that this was somehow in public good. My reaction, one of the rationales I said was, these are people paid for by the people. The people don't have any choice to have to pay through the taxes. Well, every time you turn on your light, you don't have any choice about Wisconsin Power and Light. Why don't you publish the oligopoly salaries of theirs or possibly WebCo or Wisconsin Public Service when you heat your home. You wanna see some salaries. Some of these corporate salaries are six figures. You'll make the public employees blush as to what some of those folks get. But nobody talks about some of the other salaries. We have to pay that we don't have any choice in. So I'm not so sure that this is like the great public service issue that they say it is. And most of the salaries were higher than mine. So I was a little. I only worked 35 years, 36 years at the University of Wisconsin-Chimoygan and the university system, it got taught it as being very efficient, yeah. So my salary was lower and I saw another person who I know applied for a part-time job at the campus maybe three years ago. And now I saw her name at LTC and she was making maybe 4,000 less or 3,000 less than I was. I thought, oh, and I just have 37 years and she's got two, two, one. I thought, oops, well, whatever. Well, now here's the worm that starts to crawl through the wood because I think your points are well taken. Your points are well taken. But I for one, at least until I got kind of bored or just sick of following the lines, I with great interest read through some of those salaries. And I mean, and it is just that sort of human nature to want to know what other people are making. And we haven't used the word oligarchy on this show before or the descriptor that you used, but I think your point is well taken as well. I'd pick a fight with you Ken on the specific amounts. My own feeling was is that people who are not in policy-making positions who are just everyday working people probably deserve a little bit more privacy, quite frankly, than the press gave them simply because they aren't policy makers. Once you start getting into a policy-making position, whether you're a principal or the coordinator and assessment curriculum developer of. Are you looking, are you searching for my title? Yeah, I could search for your title for a good long time and never find it. I'm the only specialist in the district. Ah, a specialist. I'm a special specialist. A specialist. Unique. Yeah, I thought that was just for insects, but in any event, once you get into those kinds of positions, to be honest with you, I think it's fair game. I think that, and I have no problem with attaching a name to the position, but if it's a school secretary for goodness sake or a brand new teacher or even a teacher who's been in the district for some period of time, I guess to me it is that sort of curiosity that does not bring out the best in all of us, you know, as I'm reading through and saying, aha. Oh. Hmm. Yeah, just to be able to cross it. Of course I looked at the highest salaries and I went the top five or top three, LTC. And then they could think, okay, that's an appointed board. That's, and they have taxing power and they're not accountable. Is that going to be subject to change in the future? It may or may not be. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what crossed my mind. But overall it seems to have died. I mean, there hasn't been any ongoing dissent. I was surprised that there wasn't a lot of people who make Walmart salaries, writing back saying, I don't make this, I covet them and I think they shouldn't make that. I think maybe the press thought that's what they would generate is a lot of letters to the editor, but it sure is indeed very quiet as a response. Yeah. So I don't know if it was worthwhile or not. And I hope it was accurate. You know, I know that in many cases that some of the state newspapers used to do that with state employees and sometimes they would in some positions include benefits and others not. And sometimes, you know, cursory reading of these was not a fair comparison because the data they got sometimes indeed included benefits. And in the private sector, we generally don't talk about people's, you know, packages that they have, retirements and others as part of the pay. We say they get so much per hour, the salary is so much. Also I thought that the years of experience was potentially misleading because Chief Kirk has not been the police chief for 28 years. I was on the police and fire commission when we hired him and so it's less than a decade and not certainly not to take away from the fact that Ian I'm going to presume he has 28 years experience in the police department, but people just reading those things casually may have drawn conclusions that weren't substantiated. So the district numbers were all over the board. I mean, they gave me credit for three years of parochial school education. So I'm not sure we had a violation of separation of church and state there, but on the other hand, one of my colleagues didn't get recognition for the years she served in a different school district. And so there was some real variation. Some administrators who worked their way through the ranks were as likely like Kirk. Their years were added in there even though they were only in those administrative posts for a couple of years and so on and so forth. So there was, yeah, the years were, the numbers were fairly accurate from at least what I talked to people about. I didn't look at the list, because I thought it'd be really hypocritical to meet a list after complaining on being there, but I did get one telephone call from a concerned anonymous taxpayer. This seems that most concern taxpayers are anonymous. Wanting to know why I was paid more than most teachers and then I had explained that I have an 11 month contract as opposed to a 10 month contract. He thought that was reasonable and I was so pleased that he thought that was reasonable. Yeah, were you upfront with him? Yeah, yeah, and that wasn't, of course, mentioned or that doesn't discuss ministerial administrators. Some have 12 months, some have 11 months and you've got all those kinds of variables as well. Exactly, exactly. Different responsibilities. Our elementary principals, some of them have responsibilities beyond their building and then some of them don't and so it gets to be like an apples and oranges situation. And to its credit, I think the press did indicate that there were not clear, that the comparative information might be somewhat misleading from position to position and so forth, but yeah. That was fun, you keep the page and sit down at dinner. Who's sorry, they teach at the school system, let's find them, who's teaching at the UW, let's find them. Except for Ken, you know, who's purer than all of that. So I was, I was. But just by listening I could figure it out. I mean, for people to tell me. Yeah, sure, yeah. Just bless you, I think that's, that is so principled, I'm impressed. So, and the rest of us can fill you in because I have them all committed to memory. By the way, I don't, by the way, just for the record, I don't make policy. Well, that's another argument. Okay, okay, okay, you read his opinions. I make sure opinions which are usually ignored. Provide input. Just when you thought it was safe to take out construction bonds for the police station, that was just an interesting couple of weeks. Now, a lot of this happened when you, Tom, were in Germany with the mayor. Are you suggesting a connection? No. Oh, I don't recall. Well, they didn't have a council meeting or anything. Well, that's true. That's true, I'm sorry. Do you think there's a connection there too? Yeah. You're not here, we don't have a council meeting. The mayor was there in Germany, and I don't think they had a council meeting. Tom and his spouse were on the mayor's trip to Germany, in Italy, and maybe we'll have a chance to talk about that a little bit. And I apologize, that did come right after you folks came back, and Alderman Boran, newly elected, introduced a resolution to set up a study committee relating to Act 40, which is a recently enacted legislative provision which lets municipalities, if they have contracted with a county law enforcement agency, to eliminate their police departments. So apparently in other parts of the state where there was some discussion about eliminating police departments, the conclusion was drawn that you couldn't do it.  So Act 40 is all about the business of how you can, in fact, if you contract for other services, dismantle your police department. It was a very interesting time. Boran walked into it, he gets this surveyed and says, oh, people would like to see him combined or save money, and so he introduces the resolution, and voila, the police department gets on the phone, they talk to their, you know, supporters, yeah. That was an answer, nephew. Occultants and signs appear in front of City Hall, and probably calls go to Boran, and all of a sudden the intent got changed. Well it was a close vote in the first place, eight to seven, to establish the study committee, so it was not like it had overwhelming support to begin with, and so I thought it was just very, very interesting how quickly that turned around. It goes back to all concepts that we have talked about in our brief period of time on the air here about what do we really mean by shared services, and can there be anything that is really systemic in terms of shared services as opposed to ad hoc, let's share this, let's do this, you know, what if we, let's get together on this particular, but an actual plan to rationally and clearly and efficiently run municipal government, and. What would Act 40 fit Kohler? Surely. Because they have a very tiny police department, and maybe they could pass it on to the county or share services, that would seem like it might fit Kohler, a small community. But we have, if you'll remember, we have a strong police force in the city of Sheboygan Falls, in the city of Plymouth, and then the village of Kohler does have its own department. And Elkhart Lake, yes, any other, I don't, I think all the other municipalities either just depend on sheriff's services or there are some townships that actually contract with the sheriff's department for additional services. The village of Usberg does that, the town of Sheboygan, the village of Random Lake. Cascade, I believe, most, I think probably will, though. So they get extra protection and they pay for that. But eliminating institutions that are either beloved or sometimes not so beloved in a community is a big deal. I think the study committee would not have necessarily proposed that, but it was interesting just how it all played out. Then the day after, we're back to the North 23rd Street site. For those of us who thought the City Hall site was puzzling at best, it was just... Chief Kirk has extra status. There were community rallying around him. Why would I like the 23rd Street? Why not? But they didn't like it before. Yeah, I mean... They didn't like it before. And of course now, Vandervaard is back on the page with perhaps a more economical proposal. What do you think? I think timing is gonna be a major factor here. I think what has happened is that people are analyzing that downtown site is not being ideal for a place department. If you want a firing range or you want cooperative operations with the Sheriff's Department at some time of its garage facilities or whatever. There's no room down there. No, I know. You probably can build a city hall in that site let alone add onto it. So I think it's a bad site, a bad choice initially. But now to reopen the issue, I don't know what the Vandervaard site would require as far as environmental surveys. That's been a construction site for many years and sometimes you need feasibility studies which take months sometimes. So I don't know if it's gonna happen to broaden it beyond 23rd. Maybe the chief's idea was, well 23rd Street's been looked at better than any other site. And if I don't want downtown, this is the quickest show in town to get my police station built. Well, and I think the North 23rd site certainly came in first in terms of all the criteria that were set out in terms of the best location. And it's interesting stuff. I just, I think the council is taking a bad rap for looking at kind of reopening the issue. Let's decide it all over again. Well, Bob LaTree I think spoke at the council or the committee hall or the council meeting and said, first it was Sheridan and then we got some new public officials and we rescinded Sheridan. Then we had this study, had so many. Then we decided to vote down 23rd Street. Then we voted down Vandervaard and then we voted the city hall site. Now we're turning away from that again and going back to 23rd Street. Where is the council, where are we? You vote down one and then you don't vote it down anymore. Well, we've had a change in the city council so there are people who probably want their kick at the cat that they've got strong views and it's a new day. Sheridan Service has worked well with them. That city county committee, that committee that was gonna study Sheridan Service was working with the 23rd Street site. Maybe they could have done something there but maybe they still can't. Yeah. Well, and I don't know but my sense is that the county would still be certainly willing to work with the city and it certainly seems to have a whole lot to recommend it and I remember at least that lots and lots of people including the mayor and some of the council people were just surprised at the vote on the city hall site because it was certainly not ranked very high. It has all sorts of issues as we've just talked about and so although it does appear to look like the council is dilly-dallying and can't make up its mind, I think from my perspective as far as this goes with this important issue, it really makes sense. And then there's the question of the cost. Costs of between $14 and $17 million have been floated for that new police station. One of the advantages to the city hall site, I think just because it would have had to have been so small is you'd keep it more in the $7 to $8 million range which I think is frankly, I'm not even sure the city can afford that but I think it needs to find the money for that but the cost of the station I think is gonna be the next huge problem. You get the site and you pay for the site and what's left to build. So there's gonna be renovation of city hall because if they go over to North 23rd, they'll obviously wanna renovate city hall because other offices will expand. The planning department will probably wanna move back in. And the city attorney's office. And the space behind it where the police garage was. Yeah, so there's gonna be renovation costs there. Right, yeah. Exactly. So they need a little bigger plan instead of just. And I don't know about you. That's correct. That's absolutely correct. But you work, walk into city hall. It's not a pleasant building. I mean, it doesn't scream out. Gamut, gamut, gamut. Gamut, gamut, gamut. Thank you. It doesn't scream out welcome. Yes, yes. Bienvenuto. So I'm all for spending at least a little bit of money in terms of renovating or not renovating but just cheering up city hall at least a little bit. And so we'll see what happens. I think you're right. The price thing's gonna be a major stumbling block.  I don't know. Unless they change this. You could do it in September. Weren't they looking at naming rights for city facilities? Yeah. Maybe we could name a police station. I see as we sit out here now, the Acuity IT Center is beginning out here. Yes, it is. And I think a gorgeous tree came down if I'm not mistaken. But it's an exciting building. That's a very wonderful. It's gonna be nice. In a year, it's supposed to be up and operating. So we're looking forward to it. The library is coming over from its current location and that'll be part of the facility plus more computer rooms. And we have this compressed video. These are these video kinds of classes between the sites and so there'll be more of those so we can host those and that will enable us to bring more education courses into the campus. So that's gonna be nice. What are you gonna do with the existing library? And that's gonna be remodeled too. I haven't looked at the plans but some of it will be classrooms, some of it will be conference rooms because we are getting short on conference rooms. And maybe part of it will be used by the students also. They need space also. Not wanting to forget about the students. Students who pay the bill. There you go. They pay the bill. At least part of it. It'll be a very neat building and acuity was very generous. Well Tom, wasn't there some suggestion or some talk on the floor of the council of exploring the issue of naming rights? Wasn't Mark Hanna starting, you know, he put it in place over at in the Schmognery School District and... Big time. Yeah, I thought there was some F. I think he was discussing, wasn't he? For companies to name certain types of public areas. And it's one thing to have a gym named after you but a police station. You know, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm holding my tongue. Because I thought maybe we could name it the Moved Police. Now we're going to get kicked off the air. Now we're going to get kicked off the air. This is the end of the show. Great potential. Oh, you two just stopped it right now. I was thinking along those lines too. There's three of you. Here we go. That had never even occurred to me. I can just feel myself getting read. Just even just considering it. I screamed tracks so I could have a bullhorn in the bathroom. All right, enough. I'm going to take this off after over in the public library. Dear listeners, as you can see, no control whatsoever. All right, moving right along. One of the interesting pieces of the public comment session during the Act 40 discussion at City Hall was Dulcy Johnson's fairly impassioned speech presentation about residency and how surprisingly the fairly large number of city workers, police, and firefighters who live outside of the community. I know that there are certainly two sides of the story in terms of whether that's a good idea or a bad idea. Dulcy was charged up when she made the speech. I thought it was quite articulate. What are your thoughts? Well, she lost, she was on the council when we voted to adopt and drop the residency requirement except for department heads. I had lost twice at it bringing it to the council and the third time, Terry and I, Terry Van Ackermas on the council, we agreed that certain people who make decisions have to live in the city. So that's police chief, fire chief, director of public works, the planning director. They make decisions affecting the city so we don't want conflicts of interest if they're living outside the city making decisions to affect the city. And then we said anybody else could live where they want. And the reason we adopted that employees had relatives who lived in the towns, maybe a mother who lived in the town. All of a sudden they would like to live there next to their mother but then they would have to give up their job at the city.  And it was just causing all kinds of conflicts. Besides the other argument is you have an opportunity these people are living around the area and you could hire them, they're good people and they would like to work for the city but they live in the town. They are not gonna move to work for the, they have the skills to work. So they won't move into the city to work but if they could work for the city and live where they were, I'm glad to do it. So there had been a residency requirement and there was a vote then to eliminate it. To eliminate it. Yes, because I remember friends of mine doing exactly that work for the city in some capacity and they were actually had a fake address. They're playing that game. Playing that game, yeah. And that's not, you don't need to play that game, yeah. They're maintaining a residence, what it looked like a residency. I always feel that because I'm an employee of the Shibuya nearest school district I should be living in the district. I'm not sure I want to make that public policy. I know that in Milwaukee they just got done with a study of guys out at Lakeland and some other folks, Mark Shug, and the economics professor just did a study and MPS is really hurt by the residency requirement and trying to maintain and find teachers to stay in the Milwaukee public school system. They say that lots of people, a good number of people, that's the deciding factor about whether they wanna work at MPS or not and the research that they did. They had a chance to read it. The law has always been debated in the legislature as to whether it ought to be repealed, allowing municipalities and school districts to have it and the vote was always close and it was always, it prevailed that municipalities still could but Milwaukee was always the driver in this whole issue and it was basically white flight. Whether you're left with all your white teachers or your white police officers living in River Hills or wherever it is in the suburbs and is that a good sign to make the city blacker than it is and but generally the trend has been away from residency because spouses are involved. Especially in school districts, two teachers, so one, they live in one district, the other one needs to find a job in that district and if they can't, they don't use the professional skills. So I think the general feeling is that more rational viewpoint on this is, all right, if you want your police and fire available, say they have to live within 20 minutes or whatever response time you need for them to get to an emergency and not simply be where they live. Let them be hired under skills and let them be available but give them the choice of where they want to live. Right, I mean there are certainly balancing issues and considerations on both sides of it but I think just the enforceability of it is very tough and makes city officials spend a lot of time on things that could be spent in better pursuit than where somebody's living or if the apartment is just a fake address or whatever. So, well I don't think there's any move on the part of this council to change the residency requirements. So I think, although as I said, I thought that it was just very interesting. It does show that I think the growth of towns around the area, I mean, Sheboygan has city issues like any other city suburban kind of split into terms of where is it good to live and what can we do in the city to make things more attractive. We're running out of time. I just wanted to pitch to you folks and to anyone who's listening that the Lao Meng American Veterans Memorial is almost up and running, scheduled for its grand dedication on July 15th. It certainly has been going on for a long time and I've been somewhat involved in it and it's a beautiful design. Ray Hernandez, the dean at UW Sheboygan was one of the prime designers along with Stevie Ager at Bray Associates and it's just been a really nice effort on the part of the community. Governor Doyle is going to be here as part of the dedication ceremonies or so we've been told and the president of the United States has been invited. So who knows what'll happen? July 15th, 12 noon at DeLand Park. Thanks, it's been a nice time.


You have to bend. It's about surrender now. It's about surrender, bend, bend. If you hold on to this idea which the ego is beautifully delivering to you every moment that there's no need to live, I have no reason to live, this soul is not there, I've lost my meaning of existence, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, you'll continue to feed the ego and it's machinations. But if you make the decision, I'm going to bend. Even if I don't feel the soul, I'm going to bend down, bend, bend, surrender, surrender, it's the master. It is there for me, I'll bend, I'll bend. As long as you are ready to bend down, you'll meet it very soon.


All right, and we are live vlog Thursday, number 232. I've been doing this a little while. Every number it just reminds me I started this quite a number of years ago now. So, none less because these are a week apart and I don't think I've skipped a week in years. None less. Let me think, all right? We're eating all my things turning my phone off so it doesn't disturb me and I am sure if any of you work in tech, you have been dealing with stupid printer problems because that's been the theme for the whole 48 hours now of distress related to printers because Microsoft and their infinite lack of wisdom on this somehow goofed up this patch is what best I can tell and it's one of those things. I'm excited watching the security community come together and make this better.  My wife messaged me. She says what's broke today because nobody has systems working at work. She works for a large bank and my assumption is because their IT places haven't been forthcoming about what they're doing. Their internal IT team at my wife's bank so it's probably the safe to assume they're mitigating printer issues and it's just a mess. I laugh when people give a lot of crap to smaller companies that have issues but here's a company which granted they have a massive install base, massive user base but that to me gives them the massive responsibility of properly dealing with these issues and the whole update process is just, you know, we don't get proper updates. We get like a whole new little bar at the bottom that tells us the weather because that's what apparently was necessary in an update. Not like working proper printers. I mean why would we want that? So yeah, fun, fun, fun. But nonetheless, I did a video on that. There's a few people that have been tweeting about it. I certainly been memeing about it because yes, that's the best way to do that. There's a post lots of memes because that makes sense. Actually this one really got me. I laughed. I made one but mine's not as good as this particular one. I'm about to share something. Share Chrome tab. Oh, I got too many open, close. Must be this one then. All right, cool. You have too many things open. There we go. That one was cracking me up. That's pretty much a good summary of it right there. You get the domain controller being the desktop and the principal are being the, yeah. Anyways, I think you get it. It's just, I don't know what to say about it. That's part of the fun, I guess. All right, let me go ahead and switch back to the other tab which is the YouTube. There we go. All right. But you know, I'm not going to rant too much about it. It just is what it is. But it's one of those things to, I am a little annoyed was I see people, I don't have problems, you harp on Windows too much. It's a great system. Anyone who manages at scale, as in anyone working in IT like we do, and you manage more than a computer that's perfectly set up that you never do anything exciting with are different. Once you have enough large installs and off user bases, you'll see all of the problems.   Yeah, the disclosure that was given to Microsoft that they ignored that caused thousands of exchange servers to end up, you know, being compromised because it was actively being exploited and Microsoft was really slow to patch the problem. And being slow to patch, we already know the community can be slow to patch. At least Microsoft can say, well it wasn't me. I had the patch available and people didn't do it. But it isn't what happened. They didn't even have the patch available and people weren't doing it. So when they finally made the patch available, it was long after it had been even ramped up, exploited in the wild. So, yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely a problem. So, yeah, what are you going to do? Run Linux. That's what I'm going to do. Matter of fact, speaking of that, I am running the latest version of PopOS. And, let's see, that's still downloading some stuff. But I can probably scroll up, pop open another window. I'm still running some updates on it. Matter of fact, my computer finished 10 minutes before this live stream, before I was able to get that going. So let me share the screen real quick. I am, I watched Jay's review of it. It's pretty solid as far as running PopOS. Everyone always asks, you know, what distribution are you running? And PopOS has been, like, go to for quite a while and I really have no complaints about it at all. Like, it's been a really solid for all the updates and everything else. So it's been, let's see what we got here. Some button changes. Zoom didn't zoom. There we go. We are running PopOS 2104 X86 on my X470 Arrows Ultra Gaming with the new kernel. And one of the cool things is the way they designed it. Go check out Jay's video. They still are using Nome underneath, but they redesigned, like, the look and feel of PopOS. So, yeah, I guess maybe I'll do my own review as well. A few people ask about it. I'm not, I don't distro hot much, so my reviews are mostly of what I use now. I used to use different distributions like Katie Enion. I was going back and forth between that and a bunch, too. And then when PopOS, it just solved all my problems, worked so well that I said, I'm done changing distributions. You know, it just works and it works really well, really reliable.  I'll ask Jay how long his took to update, but my system did take 40 minutes to finish the update. That seemed excessive for how fast my computer is, but that's not the biggest complaint. You know, that's for a major release update. Not a, you know, not just, not my updates themselves fly by really fast. I think I got something goofed up but I'm not sure what it is. But yeah, when in doubt, I'll just reload it back up the settings, reload the operating system put the settings back and maybe that'll fix it next time. It just was puzzling for me to take it long, but it's taken a while on one of the other systems I had, too, but my laptop went fast and my laptop, which is sitting right here, I updated this one and it got done substantially faster. So it was kind of a puzzle like, how did my laptop get done so fast but my desktop took so long and it's substantially faster in every way. But that's life sometimes. If that's my only complaint, it's not that I'm complaining about everything being broken and I'm not complaining about a big mess of problems I'm just going, yeah, the update took a long time. I had to wait 40 minutes instead of 20. First, first world problems right there. It's unlike the Microsoft updates where it's always braced for impact and hopefully it gets done. On another note, I have been hanging out with TWICE now, had some meetings with the people over at Greylog and they're going to be working on a podcast idea so I recorded some stuff with them. I don't have any release dates for it and things like that, but they're going to talk about their product and I decided also when me and Jay were trying to struggle, we struggled to pick what we're going to talk about on the live show. We don't really struggle for topics because there's plenty of topics to cover, but one of those topics is logging was one that a lot of people ask about and of all the logging systems I tried and I can't remember every one of them. I don't really write them down. I usually know them when I see them, but once I started down the path to Greylog, I'm like, oh, this makes sense. It was the first one that's fully open source but does have upsells. You can buy some add-ons for it through and buy support for it. So cool if you want to use it in the enterprise market and get those support agreements, but it was just a really solid platform and has been ever since April. They just released their new 4.1 version and have no problems with the oil. I can't say no problems. I have a weird issue where sometimes when I reboot the Elastic server on the back end fails to start, but if you start it, it starts. I think it's a timing issue for how much data I have in there. It needs to be extended like the wait time for it to start before it decides it fails. It's a really minor issue that I can't make happen every time, so that, once again, not much to complain about because one of the problems before is I had done, which a lot of people talk about, setting up Elkin Elastic. The problem I had with those is I felt like it was a house of cards and every time I updated it, boom, it just kind of, oh, there's a lot of little quirks and bugs. One of the cool things is with the Greylog is it has survived numerous updates, even now with a 4.0 to 4.1 version update and has not fallen apart on me. That's obviously a really big issue because we have enough things in IT that we don't want updates because we're always afraid they're going to break. I didn't want my logging system to be part of that because it's kind of critical to watching the logs to all the other systems and ingesting those logs so I can't be worried about it breaking and I don't want to have it getting behind and being several versions behind because you're afraid to update it. The update process seems different under the hood. The recovery partition gets a separate update before and after. The U.S. update seems automated and reinstalled the package. Yes, they did do something different about the way they did it. It's just puzzling why I went so fast on my laptop and I mean, I don't remember I didn't time it on my laptop but I did on my desktop and I was surprised it took 40 minutes but kind of like I said, minor thing minor issue. Yep, someone else just saying it took 40 minutes to complete on yours.  We didn't really push it yet to the clients. We pushed it right away as soon as we could hear with our systems we've been trying it since the beta and it's been going really well but I haven't really pushed it out to clients. We're going to wait maybe a week or so. It's not an absolute rush because for the most part the features that come in DSM-7 are nice but they're not absolutely critical to what our clients do. So much of it with our clients is just a bunch of file service stuff. So we'll roll it out slower to the clients kind of, okay, we got some time. Let's go ahead and update this system. You know, they're not pushing so it's not like I have to do it immediately the day it comes out. Maybe I'll wait a little bit but I gotta admit it looks really nice. The systems we have updated are great and I'm still waiting and I'll call Synology out on this. I am still waiting for them on my... What model is that one? It's the... Let me just log into it real quick. I want to make sure I'm saying the model number exactly right. But one of the problems I've run into is the Synology DS1621XS plus does not have the option to update and I don't know when they're getting it either. This has been kind of annoying. I don't get why they're... It's disannoying. This is one of their newer flagship models and there wasn't a beta for it and I thought okay, maybe they'll just have it released once it comes out completely and no they do not. So, you know, here it is and it's just not running the latest version. It's like I'm still here and if I go and look up there's no update available to it and I'm like I don't get it. Everything's working. Is this updated yet? I think I've updated the packages already. I was excited when I seen it was an update for the other day but it wasn't for that so I'm still stuck on this one and this is one of the ones that we actually use here in the office. This is a nice one with the 10 gig connector on it and I'm like yeah, I guess we don't get to have the update so what are you going to do? What is the kernel version that PapaOS is running? Look here. Kernel 5.110-7620. So that's where actually we'll do this. Share, screen, window. There we go. Yeah. So PapaOS is now this is causing a little bit of annoyance to me with PapaOS. They're using the version number of 2104 because they're basing their version numbers off Ubuntu so they're basing on where they get their upstream from but obviously that's kind of annoying because they're releasing it here in June so it should be 2106 if we were following that naming schema but they followed the Ubuntu one and I guess, I don't know, I'm splitting hairs here. They take their time and they're doing this new Cosmic Desktop which is the new feature essentially you get with 2104, still known but it is based on Cosmic Desktop so they took their time to get it done and yeah, so whatever, it took them longer but they didn't change the name of it so 2104 wasn't released until then so now you're breaking if you want to say the date release schema but hey, whatever, such as life you can I will check but as of this morning, there was no update off the Synology website on this that was part of the annoyance I couldn't manually update this either we'll pull this up on the Synology website real quick so the SM7 download we'll get to the page and we'll share it download now share the screen but I'll show you it's like I said, it's a flagship one so that's the part that's got me so puzzled about this is how do you guys have a flagship model that doesn't offer this so putting your model there's my model that's it only DSM624, you don't have the ability to download the other one I even messaged Synology about this not just me I think Cody from MacTelCon Network tagged them on Twitter with me in it both had the same question of hey when you're going to get the new version it says OS Latest and it's not on here so it is for other models matter of fact I have other models loaded with it, I have older models loaded with it but this particular model they appear to have forgotten about is there a 1521 it's not available on the 1621 either so I have the 21 the plus but yeah there's the 1621 and the 16 so both of these is oh no they do have it for that so that's interesting so they have it for the 1621 but not the 1621 access plus so interesting that they have it there for that but not for the other one so let's switch back to this one and yep that's all they got so yep such is life what are you going to do let's see a bunch of now allows you to connect to AD from install since it was requested for years it is now part of the 20 you'll see during the install yeah that's actually true they've added that me and Jay talked about doing a video on that topic it's kind of neat that they built it in um let's see oh this is important too for those of you looking Hunters has a great write up I've got links in my video I just did on my channel earlier that breaks this down there's been more updates even since my video but that's why I've linked to where the updates are happening to mitigate all this because they're mitigations they're not actually they're not actually fixes that's why it's specifically I said mitigation for it Microsoft is not the one coming out with this this is the community coming together to create workarounds because Microsoft for some reason doesn't have an official workaround they just they took the CV score and raised it higher to let us know it's worse than we thought what are you going to do about it Microsoft we're just going to let you know it's worse so such is life um yeah we did ask Synology on this too and for select plus value and J series products FS series devices will receive later it's good to know so they do have I can figure out exactly where the link is that would be great because I'd like that information but Q4 2021 sounds so far away that I remember we're halfway through the year so it's not really that far away Q4 is a couple months so soon we will have the update to that so thank you for that hopefully that is accurate what else did we have in my list of things to talk about we had gray log we had that the big thing I want to mention is and I'll pull it up once again on Twitter is I'm doing another live this is the second live show today and then um we're going to do a live show after this it's going to be my friends at the tech bar so let me pull up the links for this and I'll drop a link in there but this is um a switch share and share screen I'm getting faster at this finally I will drop this link right here matter of fact I believe it's this link it's going to be on YouTube and Facebook they have I think this is the right link for it here's also a link to my Twitter post on it but this is another live show I will be doing and welcoming all of you to join of course it's open to the public it's going to be on YouTube and everything else um this is uh my friends and they thought it'd be funny because they know how much I like hot sauce they call their podcast slash live show called the tech bar but they want to do a special hot bites edition and they're going to join in with the fun for you know doing uh hot sauce challenges with me so we have some hot sauces that I they said which ones are good I made them a list a short list because we're not an episode of hot ones but obviously inspired by and we're going to finish it with the last tab we found I big good hot sauce is someone my wife's like are you going to put the bomb on there like no the bomb is garbage I don't like the bomb sorry that's not good hot sauce but I do have a few good ones on there uh the folks over at oh it VoIP are really cool they run a big VoIP company um they have a lot of people in the MSP community and the tech community they're very technical and just a lot of fun to talk to and hang out with so uh I've joined before um as just not as a guest on the show but just in the live stream and so I welcome all of you that want to come in there and they are going to uh have some fun with me and they they they generally because they do an interview thing so when they have a guest on they put together like an interview where they have a list of questions for me and Q&A and just they also dug through my personal Facebook and all kinds of things to learn about me and figure out what they could ask it and I'm like I lay it all on the table go ahead let's make it awkward and let's have some fun oh by the way let's have some hot sauce that was their idea and I'm like hey I'm all for it because that's the first thing they noticed was all the hot sauces I had matter of fact that's what I was doing is sharing some of the hot sauces um with them in terms of they they asked they have a discord a private discord where I was chatting with them this morning and I was like you know we have an entire wall of this and they're like oh wow that's quite a bit there so definitely um definitely gonna be fun oh let's see oh Kyle had a official link for the launch perfect yes fast switching achievement unlocked that is what I'm working on being able to use this I'm getting used to it it's taking a little bit of time but yes and you're right the bomb is pure heat like 100% pain better it's uh Frank's honey garlic I've had that that's pretty good but yeah the the bomb is garbage and I don't think it belong I mean I guess if you just want to make things hot cool but that's it that's where the bomb stops you just wanted to make something hot you didn't want it to taste good that's so I just started sauce to the day I thought I was doing sauce to the week and then I forget it's just one of those I don't think as much about it but I certainly have I probably have hot sauce every day of my life but we usually buy a bunch of a hot sauce and the um it's like we'll get addicted to one hot sauce and we'll do a lot of it at once so that's that's usually how that ends up um you just pick one and I'm like I really like this hot sauce and I'm gonna use this one until I run out of it and then we'll try something else it's really here at the shop I think food is just a method by which to consume hot sauce I think that's pretty much how it works here at the office but hey it's a lot of fun you know the hot sauce to get through the IT um I don't remember what it knows as we have you know we should probably and he's on here the the updater of the website Kyle for those of you who don't know is the maintainer of LawrenceSystems.com it is not me um but we do have the hot sauce page on our website so if you head over to our website LawrenceSystems.com we do have an entire hot sauce page so matter of fact some of these hot sauces are the ones on there this is a surprisingly good one the trough we do have some of the basics though like the Valentinas is just good Mexican hot sauce Valentinas lay it on some chicken and barbecue it like so it gets kind of crusted on there it is something about that and trough I would have not ever said this this was on like a bunch of recommended places like Oprah recommended trough but it's a really good hot sauce I think they have a hotter one now um but yeah we have links all these these are some of the ones we like can we go through and update this it's the same thing like this is not any particular high end or expensive one to LU Koteca is just a really good hot sauce same with Gator hammock a secret ardberg's not mad um this one's hot and we did throw the buffalo wild wing sauces on here because I don't I don't really care for buffalo wild wings chicken buffalo wild wing sauces though they are good they're actually really good so this too anything by the bravado spice people those are good and these are a couple locals here Scotty O'Hoddy um they're a local place a local brand and same with the health fire Detroit so a couple popular picks but I yeah we started to keep tep and maintain all of that for uh I see this is not a bad one either the uh I'm not sure how you say it tep tep potato top top itado top I am bad with words so that one T-A-P-A-T-I-O that is a good hot sauce so tep tap a potato I can hear Kyle in the other room laughing at me in my pronunciation of this yeah yep we've got so many more hot sauces ooh what is the hottest sauce with the greatest taste um it's a question for Kyle maybe because I ah yeah we're all this is a tough one hottest sauce with the best taste hmm you know I ah I hear the guys talking on the other side outside of your range but Mr. Payne is definitely on that list um that is going to be one of the hottest ones that still has flavor I kind of like the taste of the last dab but I don't um yeah I don't know man it's a it LT, LTS hot sauce when? I'll post that link to the OAT VoIP one as well again ah make sure you guys know where that's at you can join like I said it's just another youtube livestream as a matter of fact I think I'll may find their their ah exact youtube link for it so I can post that so there's that oh good let me find the videos where did it go all right um so there's the youtube there's the direct youtube link for that one um Gator hammock is really good that's this that's a good overall hot sauce we we go through a lot of Gator hammock you know the only and I said try it on eggs it's okay on eggs my favorite hot sauce in eggs is still Tabasco something about Tabasco and eggs this tastes really good to me for whatever it's only time I don't like Tabasco otherwise I like Tabasco on eggs I like Tabasco on a fried egg sandwich I also like red hot on a fried egg sandwich but um those are the times I like Tabasco if it's a yoki egg and you ah it's not about the Tabasco the salt the eggs this it's good stuff it's good stuff hot sauce as a service yeah we can do that hot sauce you know we'll start we'll start on hot sauce club or something like that at some point but I'm not gonna over commit to that oh we have some Kyle we couldn't decide these are the hot ones that tasted good just set them right here we'll we'll run through on oh here we go yeah uh what is this one called 357 ghost mad dog 357 mad dog 357 I express sorrow that's the other one I was trying to think of this one is um yeah really good so we here we go I can't pronounce it extra sour so extra sour so it's I don't know it's this really good express sour so burns in McCoy for that one yeah burns in McCoy makes it that one's linked on our hot sauce page on our site wing master where did this come from that is uh pepper palace pepper palace wing master it was uh sleeper you thought it was just gonna be like a buffalo sauce it was hot it is not a buffalo sauce it is miles it crippled one of our employees temporarily and is this by Burns McCoy as well so pepper palace that's like our old on mr. pain except they don't care mr. pain anymore so it's kind of like a smoky seven pot pepper yeah really hot Kraken is the uh smoky mr. pain essentially it's a replacement for mr. pain because they don't care anymore and it's it's pretty good it hits to yeah we uh I had something other day and it took me a little by surprise I was like oh oh that's these are our hot those are the hot hot ones that sell flavor we don't eat the hot hot ones every day but from dated from time to time we definitely do have them all right it answers all the hot sauce questions you ever wanted to know about learned systems uh ooh the do you like black garlic reaper or crimson reserve better from bravado black garlic reaper definitely better uh the one that surprises you is the red me so I think it's red me so akamiso um akamiso is the one that I actually found to be even hotter from that one so that one the akamiso from bravado is really hot but the black garlic any of the black garlic hot sauces from a variety of places that I've tried have always been really happy with and for those you don't know black garlic is a fermented garlic that is uh has a sweet taste to it so when you mix it in with hot sauce you get a sweeter hot sauce all right is there any other tech topics because I do have to wind this down because I need to go home and we're going to set up my camera stuff at home because the tech bar as its name may implies has some drinking involved so if there's a uh if when there's drinking I don't feel like driving home so I will just be participating at this at the home plus the tech bar is a bigger group of people all on there for those of you that would like to come over and interact with it like I said I dropped the link to the actual YouTube channel where it will be on for those of you that want to join um oh have we done the one chip challenge yes one chip challenge no problem matter of fact disappointed it's really dry it has uh like just a ton of powder on it it's not I mean it's hot but it's not that hot it's not as hot as we were hoping it to be it didn't blow me away hot so yeah it's good I mean if you if you're into it to us we felt like people were overreacting when we see the YouTube videos can you drive drunk with the Tesla autopilot probably it's safer than um not having autopilot so if you but I never ever recommend getting behind the wheel in drinking so it's a bad idea because you should still be responsible because uh autopilot is not mean no pilot so we should always have the pilot sober even if the car has a lot of features to help protect the pilot so so no you do not want to drunk drive it not a good idea hello from Honduras Tom does not give legal advice that's true I'm not a lawyer and I'm sure not your lawyer so please also by the way for those you don't know no good legal defense ever starts with your honor this guy on YouTube said trust me that is like the worst legal advice ever it always starts with this guy on YouTube was saying just yeah you are still responding in fact um you can still get a distracted driver ticket even in Michigan for playing on your phone while the car is an autopilot so if you're doing something to distract yourself in the car despite the car being an autopilot mode you may still get a ticket uh for distracted driving there's no work around for that so FYI um I'm actually once again not hashtag not legal advice but still warnings for people that think they can get away with things in the car treat it like the laws are in any other vehicle just because it's a Tesla don't assume the laws are somehow magically exempted from you because they're not just throwing it out there you don't get any magic exemptions for that so uh fun stuff uh technical things any more technical things that people want to have oh uh someone commented I did cover that uh meekertik gpr device and someone had a good point that I that I'm going to try I think I gotta reach out I don't have any game cable uh but I don't feel like buying it for this project I will contact the folks at game changer ask for a length of cable and I want to know how far well the GP the meekertik I'm gonna call it jipper I don't know GP ER the meekertik extender how far will extend game changer cable we know how far it extends normal cable but can it take game changer cable even further that's uh I thought that's a clever question a few people asked me and I'm like you know I'm I'm for that that's definitely uh a good thing there so yeah I'm uh be one of those extra things that I'll hopefully be tested Jeep per Jeep per is that we say it ah Trunas scale yes um get out testing that Trunas scale is uh definitely pretty cool uh we've been testing it here in the office it's been working perfectly fine so far up I'm not really messed up with the docker stuff we have noticed some things don't deploy and we don't know why yet I haven't really dug into docker issues with it um that's why I kind of didn't cover it I covered the things like do the shares work yes they do do the I didn't try um ice because I'm gonna try that next because I'm gonna set up some ice because the extents on it and actually put it in pseudo semi production to try to get some things going on it so um let's see okay so meeker tick people say GP Jeep per Jeep per fair enough all right um is radius authentication dead been pulling me out trying to figure out a w-chair 19 issue apparently there's a bug in the firewall rules that make it work with inbound rules I don't know um I guess it depends on a situation I think radius server is not dead but like all things require some level of shovel shooting to go with it uh huh yes matter of fact they commented on there don't apt get upgraded yet they're working on that uh yeah they're they're at I think last I checked on red mine they're at like 96 percent complete uh sometimes bugs are hard to quash and until they have all of them fixed they wanted to make sure that is uh working so the release candidate's been hanging out for a while and I believe the release candidate probably has 90 per six 96 percent of the fixes in it but those uh last four percent are probably uh difficult many updates on wire guard wire guard is back you can get it in 252 release um or 2.6 beta or in the pf sense plus it's back as a package there's been lots of work lots of updates on it so yes wire guards back um you just gotta unfortunately if you're running uh 251 you won't have it until 252 so yes uh the tech bar thing is happening at 6 30 est today so 6 30 eastern standard time is when it starts today I've dropped a couple links um and yep 6 30 est so I'll drop one more link because I'm getting ready to wind it down here there we go so you guys can find it make it easy um what else I miss anything else yeah I think I got that uh one of the places you can follow is reddit slash our pf sense and where it is in here here we go and we'll share this out stop share you can get a series of updates and I'll drop this link in there as well alright um but yes this is the um wire guard project update right here project report 009 latest project update matter of fact the developer of the package has been doing so far nine youtube videos on each step of what's been changed what's been updated and does all the q&a for each one of these little rounds of updates so yes um this is something me and jay are definitely going to do um where did it go will you have a homelab show where we can ask uh ask anything session yes uh me and jay are trying to work on the format we want for that but yes that is exactly what we plan to do um we're going to try to plan that two weeks in advance because first we want people to get their questions ready and we know some people won't be able to join live so we want to be able to read through questions and of course also answer audience questions the nice thing about when people send in questions ahead of time we have more articulate answers because we are able to spend the time researching it so we're encouraging people to please message ahead of time um on that we'll figure out the dates we're going to do it but that's the goal is to get as many questions we can ahead of time and once we read through the questions we'll answer the live ones as well um est do you you don't observe dst i it's est i think i always get confused on that have you zavix or played around with it i actively use zavix i have a video on zavix i need to do a newer video on zavix uh zavix is great um i i do recommend it it's got its use cases and we use it to monitor pf sense in some other systems it's solid for that and does a good job but we have reached the end of the show because i got to break this down including this camera and take it all home where i will set it up for doing the tech bar show for my house i got to get some chickens ready for some hot sauces got to get the hot sauces lined up so we can do those as well so it's going to be fun and uh hope to see all of you there that would be wonderful what do we have here 135 people so if we can get 135 of you if you'd like to hang out and talk tech with a bunch of other tech people and probably eat some hot sauce and uh probably make a bunch of stupid jokes and silliness and laugh about tech so yeah it's going to be fun i'm all for it smash the like button if you haven't done so already with 114 people and 36 likes i see a ratio problem there so see if we can fix that um to do to do hit that like button for sure i think i dropped as many times as links people can find it follow me on twitter hit me up in the forums however you guys want to communicate it's always uh if you're looking for ways to get hold of me forums is probably the best uh if you want to have a more in depth discussion about something sometimes people DM me on twitter i'm fine with that but i don't do tech support over twitter uh if you have a tech support thing that goes on the forums if you just want to say hi that goes on twitter i do have a discord i'm in there randomly so uh hopefully once again the forums are always the best place if you have questions about videos or need more help with a topic i always remind people of that that's the best place for it because one i've built a community there so sometimes people have answers quicker than i do second when you have a question that answer is then public and google helps index it in many a matter of fact that's one of the things that's made me very happy is seeing how much traffic google gives to my forums and finds solutions for people there who have had similar questions uh so it's the goal of the forums is really to enrich the community and help solve problems once at scale not on an individual basis that's where tech support kind of can be a little bit tougher on a one-to-one basis but hey at scales when everyone can see the answer all right once again thanks everyone and uh you 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