Hello, welcome to the Donahue Group. We're glad you can join us for a half an hour of fast paced, highly intelligent. I guess that's all I can think of, but political chatter from the chattering class here. We're glad you could join us. To my direct right is Ken Risto, who is the Curriculum and Assessment Specialist for Social Studies in the Sheboygan Area School District. As well as a social studies teacher, a simple math professor, never, never. Math is terribly difficult, at least for me. Tom Paneski from the University of Wisconsin-Sheboygan Campus. Cal Potter, former state senator and library guy, and so we're glad you could join us. Library guy, library guy. Well, his title is even longer than Ken's. It was a long one. I used to have eight bureaus under me, so I could... Well, there you go. It was eight bureau Potter, they call him. How many buckets do you have, right? We're just in the thick of the political season. We're talking about some state races, and if we have time, we might even segue into some national issues, but it is an interesting and odd political season. I think trying to figure out the impact. Let's just start with the Kagan Guard, Eighth Congressional District race in the Green Bay area. Now, did John Guard resign from, forgive my ignorance, resign from the Wisconsin Legislature to make this race? Well, he would be open, so he can't run for bull. Okay, so this is a make-or-break election for him. His Democratic opponent, Steve Kagan, as I understand it, is an allergist, and lots and lots of money being spent on this race. Some question as to whether the general unpopularity of the Republicans might be giving guards some trouble. What do you guys think? Well, Paul, it's what I'm hearing. It's a close race. I think the high-profile nature of the race, it was indicative of why George Bush came flying in to help out Guard, and it's one of those few seats that's up, that will determine who controls the House of Representatives on the national level. So we do have one of our important races in the state playing on the national level as to who controls the House. I think it's the first time that I actually receive campaign literature, and I'm not even, none of us are going to be voting in that election. I get campaign mail from the Guard folks. I'm not quite sure how I end up on that mailing list, but... Tom signed you up. You're now an honorary member of the Republican Party.  Well, I think it's because I have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal. I think that's rather the case. Putting on a few pretensions, eh? Teach the subjects. Thought might be good to stay current. What a rare thing that might be in the public schools.  Pretty much guards running the Republican playbook. We're going to talk about illegal immigration. We're going to talk about stem cell research, I believe. Maybe, maybe not. I know that's a state issue as well. And you know, John, and Kagan's going to raise your taxes because that's what Democrats do. I mean, it's going to be about taxes and immigration, and I don't think they really have talked too much about the warrant here yet. Have there been ads about that? No, I don't recall. No, but as I understand it, the Journal Sentinel article from October 1st indicates that John Gard offers a staunch defense of current U.S. policy in Iraq. Oh, sure. Kagan is obviously taking the... Well, he's a Democrat. So what is his position going to be? Yeah, well... I mean... Who knows? Yeah, exactly.  Exactly. But it is interesting, and with my Irish sense of doom, I keep thinking that, there's all this talk about the Democrats maybe solidly taking over the house and just maybe a whispers breath of a chance that they could get the Senate back, and I just think the Democrats being the Democrats, and I'm one of them, they're going to screw it up somehow. Somehow you know it. What if the Democrats lose? Why haven't they been? But I think...  And it's a heavy burden, Tom. I'm telling you, and it's getting heavier and heavier, but it is really... You're in Wisconsin, a reflection of a referendum, if you will, on the Bush presidency. So it'll be, I think, very interesting to see how it plays out. I think that's what's making this race a competitive. People are very frustrated about what's happening in foreign policy on a number of fronts. And if you look at that district, the last time a Democrat held it was when Father Cornell held it, and then Toby Roth was in there for a long time. Long time. Toby was pretty conservative to put it mildly. That's right. He's probably been in Republican hands for a number of years. Who was that radio announcer, didn't he, and he's doing an ad for... Johnson. He was a teller of J. Johnson. He ran, but lost. He lost. He lost. Oh, I thought he won. But it was a very, very competitive race, very much like this one. Oh, okay. But he lost. I'm surprised he did not get back into it. That would be something that you would be thinking of. And was Father Cornell... Maybe one of the Norbertines from St. Norbert's?  Well, he... He'd appear. Eventually, he was told he couldn't be in the political arena. So that's his demise. So I don't know what his order was, but... The Vatican equivalent of the Hatch Act. Exactly. Yeah. He was a progressive Democrat, and it didn't fly very well. But some people, yeah. It's interesting. But going back to some state races, I am astonished still in the Doyle Green race that there have been really relatively few substantive issues that have defined this race.  Mark Green, we talked about this last time, whoever's running his campaign and is not willing to let go of that $467,000, which I think they could probably get from another source, is just keeping the who's dirtier than whom, that whole piece alive. I mean, what are the issues? Nobody's talking issues as close as you get his stem cell. Why isn't Mark Green holding up Jim Doyle in his... I mean, Doyle is, at least the last time I looked, was anti-death penalty. That may be an issue that resonates with the... They're tearing at each other, but there's no discussion of anything that's of any substance or import, at least that's playing out. I mean, I know they had debates. Well, I think there's probably some very important decisions that have been made by the strategists here, and that is we take up the death penalty. There are people who are pro-life, against the abortion, who don't like the death penalty as well. There's an athlete vote, for example, that are on official policies against the death penalty. So there are some, I think, groups that they've probably analyzed and said, we don't want to take that path because we need that group, and we'll get them on this issue, but not on that issue. I think what's frustrating about this is the fact that this grace is going to spend maybe $40 million to get the next governor elected, and it's going to be based on negative campaigns because negative campaigning works, and that's what the ad agencies tell you is the weight of goal. And so when you've got a lot of money to spend, you just fine-tune and flood the market with things that before, when you spent only $20 million to get elected, you didn't see as much of.  I hear half of these because I just... I know. It's insulting. It's so stupid, but I guess many of the electorate are persuaded by it because that's why it's done, and this is all scientifically... I think they're persuaded if the other side doesn't respond. I think if both sides start responding back and forth, then I think people are beginning to believe it's a pox in both their houses, and then I don't know what they take their cues on. Well, that's it. I don't know what they do then to try to figure out how they're going to vote in this particular race. I mean, Doyle has been swimming uphill for four years because he's had a very, very Republican legislature. And budget problems. He's actually handled budget issues quite brilliantly, I think.  You laugh, but it's been a balanced budget, and it was... The Republicans handed him a tremendous deficit, and they've worked their way out of it to some extent. There's a little smoke and mirrors going on, but Doyle is... Transportation fund is used for a lot of things in Doyle's budget. Yeah. But of course, you can't quarrel with that because the smoke, the tobacco settlement was completely bought out by the Republicans and decimated within... That was ridiculous, wasn't it? Two or three months. Well, no, but who was in the Senate then? That was controlled by the Democrats at that point. Yeah. But I mean, it was all pressured and put forward by the Republicans. So pox on both their houses, as far as that goes. I don't... Yeah, the Milwaukee Sentinel, I think I told you on the telephone, I talked to you once about something else. The last couple of days, or earlier this week, they had articles on both Jim Doyle and Mark Green side by side. Actually, Doyle was on the left of the page, and Green was on the right of the front page. Very clever on the part of the Milwaukee Journal. Yeah. Had you go to a read, and then when you go to the inside to get the rest of the story, Doyle's was on the left side, and Green's was on the right. But they were bios about the individuals growing up, their family, what they did educationally, and they were very human. They have some nice qualities about them, and you don't see that in the end. You think Jim Doyle has nice qualities? He's got some nice qualities. He's not been recorded on Tape Town. They're committed. They're committed, but Green has some nicer qualities. No, I thought, you know, that was very nice. That was a good touch by the journal to do that. Yeah, I think it was a very good touch. So I see these ads, and I just think these are just two people in an arena, you know, sword fighting, and people are on a boat. Yeah. It's such a waste of money, though. Isn't it such a waste of money? I mean, Ken was absolutely right about the amount of money, and so the more money you have, the more weird this thing gets. I mean, an ad on the part of the Doyle campaign exposing the fact that in one ad, they actually used actors in a green spot. Oh, really? Did anybody really think that they actually went to a hoppy game and just had a spontaneous conversation with some folks about Wisconsin tuition?  What's next at the one where the kids are walking off, you know, because they're leaving Wisconsin, these might actually be, you know, kids maybe from some place other than Wisconsin. Who knows? Well, that's going to swing my vote. That's going to swing my vote. Yeah. I mean, I think that's part of the real problem is, you know, there's just so much, there's, both candidates are so washing in money that you can just throw an ad, and you can respond pretty quickly to turnaround time on, for example, the immigration charges. Jim Doyle, evidently, is for opening up the floodgates of Wisconsin, which is really significantly close to the Mexican border. And then you've got the response by the Doyle campaign, well, what are you talking about? We actually sent Wisconsin people, you know, and they got their feet in the Rio Grande, I guess, or something.  Is immigration really going to touch Wisconsin voters? Are there that much fervor among our voters right now about immigration? Well, I don't think so. It's one of the few issues that the Republicans are even coming close on, though. I mean, if you look at the approval polls, and, you know, are you in favor of building a wall? Are you in favor of, I mean, immigration is really, it's such an interesting issue, because, well, getting off topic, but, you know, those massive demonstrations in late April and early May this year from immigrants, just hundreds of thousands of people, and yet, you know, Congress, and I think the nation as a whole, is very concerned. I mean, it's a complex, very complex issue. That's also a reaction by Republicans who are now out there in the field running, having come back from Washington without success. They couldn't agree amongst themselves, along with the White House, on developing any type of policy and putting into law, and they've been debating this thing for over a year, and so they have to come back and show that they really have a stand on something, and so they're going to move to the right, because that, of course, the Republican Party would probably play better. But on that, our own congressman, Sensenbrenner, our own Wisconsin congressman, he led the House charge on the immigration issue, you know, we build a wall first, we take care of that issue first, then we deal with the second, how do we, you know, we got to stop the flood, then we deal. But he was pretty strong, he held ground. He did hold his ground, it was pretty foolish ground, in my opinion, but in any event, just to segue off a little bit, the Sensenbrenner-Kennedy race is interesting to me only because Brian Kennedy is, and this is a Democrat, and it pains me to criticize a Democrat, but he's paying himself to run, and I don't know about you, but I got some problems with that, and he's paying himself- He's willing to pay as well because he's going to get his butt whipped.  That's the most Republican congressional district we have. Oh, I know, I know, but- I mean, I used to say that when Cheboygan was in it, I used to tell my students, they look at them, they say, that's a really odd looking sort of, and I would break the data down, I say, and so here's this little liberal pimple on the butt of the district, and it's Cheboygan, you know, I'm just glad to be back in Petra's district because I think there's at least a reasonable chance that there might be, you know, Tom is certainly a little more modernist views than- Sense of renterism. Couldn't you figure out a way to characterize the campaign funds as other than salary for myself while I'm running? I don't know, it just struck me as being- It's unusual. Yes, it is. It makes you maybe a little unwilling to contribute to the guy's campaign. Let's put it that way. You know, I'm just not really interested in paying your salary. But I'm glad he's running because- Yeah, I mean, he's pretty bright, actually. In years past, it's been very difficult to get someone, and if they did find somebody, the person was not out there on the debate trail in a very articulate manner. Oh, no. The debates I've seen on television are the excerpts. Kennedy holds his own. He does. He does. And he does it very well.  That was really a side issue, but I- and it didn't go very far because nobody cares. I want to get back to the Doyle thing. One of the things that I think- I'm not sure why- I mean, again, one of the things that frustrates voters, at least as people watch this debate, is there's Doyle tendency to say, well, you know, Green's from Congress, and so he should be lecturing us about anything because we all know how dysfunctional Congress is. And so when Green starts talking about the budgetary state of Wisconsin, which I think is a really important issue, because Doyle has kicked the can down the road a little bit, and so did the Republican legislature, you know, they were privy to that, or part of that, you know, his response as well, you know, Congress can't even get the national government budget in order. Who are they to be talking and lecturing me? I just think that- that lack of- I don't think that's going to play out. I don't think that's a poor strategy for Doyle. I think, really, Doyle should take on the issue of this is what I got, this is what we had to deal with, yeah, we're going to have future problems down the road, but we made progress. This is what I inherited from my Republican predecessor. But there's this constant reference to, well, you know, Green's from the Congress, and we all know how wretched Congress is. Well, that goes back to negative campaigning. I mean, if Doyle says the things that you just say, he loses. I don't know. Maybe I'm an idealist, but I think a campaign of ideas where you're honest about the progress that you've made is going to resonate at this point, after I think at this point in the campaign, I mean, I know that when we get about three days out, we're all going to see, you know, pictures of the family and everybody throwing- Yeah, everybody's going to throw a football, and we're going to have hazy, gauzy pictures, and there'll be Anya in the background or something, you know, who knows. We're going to see, no, not Abba, let's do Friday, Anya. Or some sort of New Age music, you know, and if it's the Republican just maybe some Christian hymns, you know, background. But at any rate, a lot of flags, you know, and lots of little kids and all that, we'll see that. But I think right now, if people actually made it a campaign about really at least talking about some issues that are important to people in Wisconsin. I thought Green was actually on the right track when he started talking about job loss and maybe the, you know, Wisconsin being a high tax state and those kinds of things, I think, and even the tuition thing is, from my point of view, as deceptive as it was. I think those things actually are meat and potato issues that people can get their hands around, heads around. It's been interesting. How about Falk and Van Hollen? I haven't heard much. No, I think both of them probably don't have the resources to go on television and as you see with the governor's race, it's not going to be a $40 million AG's race. So they're going to save all their muster for the last week and a half or so. And then you're going to see probably some negative ads. I don't know what Falk's going to dig up about Van Hollen, but Van Hollen will probably talk about Falk's unique role as a public intervener. And he's already done that. But I think that's maybe what's lost. That's what we'll see. A tree hug and go. Well, that's WMC is running those ads, which is hooking me because frivolous lawsuits are, I am the beholder, I guess. Yeah, exactly. But Falk hasn't responded to those, those, Heshey? I mean, really? I haven't seen the rest of it. I think that probably speaks about our modest budget.  But I know, I think Falk in the last couple of days has been running ads about Van Hollen's support for carrying concealer, concealing carry. And I think that's, and pointing out the fact that almost every police officer with a functioning brain is saying, this is not a good idea from the point of view of the safety of our officers. Could we just take a moment at this time and talking about carrying concealed and lift our coffee cups to Frank Lassay? And a toast to Frank. He has made the Colbert report. He doesn't want it concealed. He just wants him to carry it. If you get a chance to just go online and look at Stephen Colbert's take on Frank Lassay, it's actually pretty humorous. If any citizen in Sheboygan has any open idea about, not quite sure about how they were on the issue, you walked down to Michigan Avenue in a bar at about midnight or one o'clock in the morning and you walk in there and ask yourself, do you really want some people walk, even with a license, even with a training, do you really want them walking around with guns? I think a much more serious issue is, do you really want teachers walking around with guns? Oh no, what kind of role model is that? Oh my goodness gracious. Peaceful coexistence amongst human beings and the teachers walking around with a gun. Talk about an empty-headed idea. Oh, I get it. I can't tell you how often in the course of my career I have to sit down with students and say, violence isn't the way we solve problems. Well, we have to work this out somehow, some way. And then you're talking about it. If you don't listen to me, I got a gun. It's open about, open about, go back there. And there's some of my colleagues, I don't think I want them with guns. You wouldn't want me with a firearm. Well, there you go. Yeah, vice versa. That was an idea that met its demise real quick. Well, I just, I mean, really just on a national level now, it has broad great honor on the state of Wisconsin and great publicity. And so I think we can all be very grateful for Mr. Lusse. Did you serve with him? Yes, I did. In the legislature? He's been there for a long time. Yes, he has. And I won't say too much about him. Okay, very good. I tell you that you and he often were not on the same side of a variety of public issues. He's a conservative, okay. Let's touch briefly on the amendments, which I think will bring a lot of people out.  I'm not sure what amendment it is really. It's a confusing couple of paragraphs, but. It really ought to be displayed as a greater than just the marriage amendment. I mean, I think that second sentence is really a kicker, in my opinion, on that question. Yeah, and I don't have it here in front of me, but I have no real idea what it means. And I'm kind of used to reading these things for a living, and it's pretty confusing. I always like those kinds of things. You know, full employment acts for lawyers? You know, just get really ambiguous, poorly constructed, poorly worded statutes, amendments, it keeps us in business and so for that reason. But Fair Wisconsin is the group that has a multi-collision, multi-group coalition has, I think, really organized up pretty well. I'm surprised, I did not. And it's kind of reverberated on just on a bunch of different levels that I don't think the people who has to have it on the ballot necessarily contemplated. I think it passes in Wisconsin. Polls say that, I think it'll be closer because of the work of the Fair Committee. I'm very angered by the fact that it's there for simple reason, and I think it's there for political reasons, one, to get out the conservative vote. And secondly, I think it was concocted by the extreme right-wing nuts who put in that second sentence, who preclude any type of ability of people to contract through civil unions and so on to live together, whether they're married, whether they're same sex or heterosexual. Those I think are personal decisions. I think the right to contract is a personal decision.  And I think it's quite stepped over the line. And that second sentence, I think honestly, people can debate whether the applicability of the word marriage and honestly disagree. But I think that second, second, second sentence, when you get into unions and contracts, that was something that's completely punitive. And I think the legislature, when they were delivered that language by the real conservatives, just bought it and said, don't worry about it. But what Fair Wisconsin and other folks are bringing up is that in other states where that similar language has been put in, has led to a lot of litigation as to what type of contracts can be entered into and whether what's illegal and benefits and those type of things. Something we don't really need. Yeah, I mean, it is, I think it's primarily to turn out the voter base. And so I think it's a little cynical to put it mildly to bring those forward. But if there was a state just with marriage, it would have at least put in the constitution what's in the statute. You can't have gay marriage in the state of Wisconsin. But when you add that second sentence, it opens up into a whole area that's becoming, I think, very restrictive and punitive to people. And I think some people have said that that gay marriage and equal rights for gays is sort of the last civil rights movement. And when you think about it, I spent some time this summer, I think I mentioned on a previous show, reading about women's suffrage and just to put an incredibly long period of time it took more than 75 years from start to finish for women just to get the vote. Which seems now looking back on it pretty self-evident. But so it is gonna take a long time. How about the death penalty? I think that comes a little more emotional coming from or having more support. But nobody's talking about it much.  But the death penalty thing is just kind of not, and it has this, what would seem to be a built-in safety net that it would be only if there was positive DNA evidence and so forth. Plus it's not binding, it's not a constitutional amendment. So I think resources are not being put into it. Yeah, that's an excellent point actually. So, but I think people are pretty horrified about the Hallbach case and understandably so. And so, so. I mentioned before when we were off the air, I think there was a debate in Milwaukee that E. Michael McCann, the district attorney, took the opposing viewpoint and he basically said our justice system is so flawed, it's racially biased, it's biased against poor people and justice system makes mistakes and therefore us as a state re-entering the arena of the death penalty which we outlawed what in 1853. It's just not a road that we ought to go down. But I wish more of this type of debate would occur because I think once it does pass, it will be used as fodder for those who wanna re-institute it in a constitutional manner or a statutory manner. I think there should be some significant discussion about the costs unless you really are willing to completely take away appeal procedures and so forth. I mean, the estimate for a well-thought capital appeal is a million dollars. And certainly in the course of a lifetime you'll spend that on housing and prisoner and so forth but I just think the costs, just from a practical standpoint but I think McCann's, he's a great guy. And just his points taken there are interesting. Just in our last few seconds, do both amendments pass? Give me any numbers. I think so. I think so. I think so. I think both in Sheboyin County and in the state. Okay. Overwhelmingly close? No.  I think it'll be closer than the death penalty. Yes.  Wow, okay. Well, we're- How about the governor? Who's gonna win, governor? I'm in for Doyle. Doyle. Green. Doyle. All right, on that happy note next time we'll know just how sage and prescient we were. Thanks for joining us.


All right, so you should see a representation of new vote on the left and the J www.jsoftware.com homepage on the right. Yeah, okay great so I got curious a week and a half or so ago about the nature of wikis on the web and Mostly when people think about delivering a wiki they seem to think in terms of duration So optimizing the curation that means being very careful about what content goes into it It means indexing well categorizing well and so on and all of that is it strikes me right and natural and appropriate But I got interested in another aspect of the problem, which is the presentation of the content the presentation of the wiki What's the experience that the user has in trying to absorb navigate the information? And it struck me that we're sort of prisoners of the web in that regard and in particular prisoners of maps A map is just any set of links that's supposed to orient you in the content of the wiki So it could be in the case of the J wiki new vote is a very good example of a map But maps could also be just tables of contents So the J for C programmers table of contents which has over 300 entries. That's a map It could be search results the list of results you get from Google or from a wiki search page That's a map. That's a context an orientation mechanism that you use to help find your way around in the wiki And one of the things that struck me was we have a lot of maps. I would say too many and by too many I mean more than one the other thing that struck me is that the The maps are constantly disappearing on you So if you're looking at a map of search results, for example, which might just be a list of links with no particular structure to it Every time you click on a link your map disappears your context your orientation is gone as you load up the target page And then to add insult to injury You have to incur the cost of reloading the map when you go back and then arguably even worse Reorienting yourself in this context that disappeared on you a moment when I go. Yes, I Routinely use open a new tab or open a new window when I'm on search results page or that sort of thing Yeah, yeah, although opening a new tab does cover up your search results page. So you're still losing context But yeah, there are things you can do to mitigate the problem for sure. I Started to think about what it would mean to create a mono map Interface to a wiki a moderately sized wiki I'm not going to pretend that it would work for the Wikipedia But I'm imagining that it might work for something of the order of size of the J wiki and this is One and two I wondered what would happen if I allocated enough real estate Sort of by fiat that the map would never have to disappear that it would always be present You would never lose your orientation your context and that one map would be used for all orientation It would be used for all browsing navigation search Categorization and so on there just be one map that you gradually become more and more familiar with and this is One approach to meeting that set of specifications so We're looking at here is a representation of new vote. You'll notice that there are no valence lengths It's just the glyphs and the way that works is when you hover on a glyph the valence links appear And sometimes there are many and sometimes there are few but the interface essentially Reorients itself a little bit in order to show the links and then what happens As you hover on a link The corresponding page appears and what's interesting about this is a couple of things One is you're not losing your context. You're not losing your map as you see the page. So basically your navigation time In some sense arguably is cut in half It's you twice as fast in your navigation because you're never going back. You're always going forward and I should say that this Experience I'm having trouble with my link loading sometimes slower than it should be and occasionally it doesn't happen at all This is a very split personality Interface in the sense that it's sort of fast as a twitch video game on the left But more like a mainframe terminal on the right. I find it a little disorienting. I hope you'll hope you'll forgive me I'm clearly doing something wrong with the web view. I haven't figured out what it is yet So that's the new vote part and the right side behaves the same as the left side. It's not there's nothing very strange about it What's more interesting? And really I'm having link-loaded problems You can use a progress indicator somewhere to see what stages on the loading Well, there's only there's only two things happening one is get HTTP and the other is load and they're both I've watched them go by and get HTTP get HTTP and load both happen And yet there's nothing appearing on the web view. So I'm not really quite sure what's going on Fail Sometimes get HTTP can fail the timeout or that sort of thing right right? Well, I'm gonna ask you to use your imagination then for now on and just pretend that the links are loading Hey, this is a really good looking prototype right now I can use my imagination. Oh Thank you good So the other part and to my mind the more interesting part of the the map on the left is the documents the non new voc documents and They're divided into two categories and they're shown in islands. So the top set of islands are Media wiki excuse me wiki island. So the assays the ancillary vocabulary pages phrases system and so on and Then the bottom set of islands are I ran across the term frozen Content somewhere. I don't know if it's the term of art or what but it's the term I used in this particular interface And this is older content that may not be kept up to date, but still has significant value and Should presumably be kept around in some form But basically we're signposting it here and saying here abide monsters You need to be a little careful about this the syntax may not be right and so on The way this works and I'll ease into it slowly if you hover over an island like phrases you get a Some of us are old enough to remember the automatic address book So that was it had an alphabet going down the side and it's slider And it would let you automatically open to the right page in your address book So that's the style that's used here and what happens when you hover over a letter This will show you a list of all of the items In this case in the phrases category in this column There's only one column because there are very few phrases compared to the two phrases and as you hover from item to item the corresponding page loads when it works And if you leave if you leave the column of the new vote comes back Now it gets more interesting with larger islands So you get two columns with the ancillary vocabulary pages and you have to pick your column and whichever column you're in is the column where the corresponding page titles appear and then And this is the scary part you get to something like essays and essays desperately needs subheads you've got one two three four five six seven columns to play with and You look at something like I think it's guides guides has subheads So it's not quite as overwhelming a list when you look at it But essays and also J4C Programmers is so large. It's so voluminous that you really you want subheads. Otherwise, it's just a jumble of letters Okay, so this is browsing and navigation this is getting your arms around what all is in the wiki How is it organized? How much is there? The sorts of questions that are very hard to answer with a web style interface But easier to answer with a monomap style of interface Let's talk about search I've implemented simple string search of Link labels. So for example, if you look for rank Couple of things happen you get a couple of hits in new vote So is the rank conjunction in new vote? And if I hover on again that loading we're working would load So as well as the verb info conjunction shows up and then I've got Hits in the documents so the ancillary links I've got hits The rank from V rank info rank is important A verb rank discussion and the first column easy rank if you don't have a lot of time You're just you're in a hurry trying to solve a problem Now what's interesting about this is I happen to know there are two dozen hits here And it would be reasonable Often when somebody gets a lot of hits the their instinct is to type A more restrictive search and try to cut down on the number of hits But because we're showing these hits in the context of the monomap They're automatically categorized So if you were just looking for rank in new vote, it's easy to find. Oh, yeah, that's right I forgot what the glyph was but now I see that it's you know, it's blinking So it's very obvious that rank is a quotation mark If you were looking for a more extended discussion of rank You had some questions about how it's used and so on Checking out the essays the hits in the essays would be a natural thing To do or possibly the ancillary pages Now what's interesting is all of the frozen content Which is arguably more problematic might not even be included in the wiki conceivably It's not getting in the way. It's not polluting your search results But it's there if you need it if you weren't able to find anything that you wanted anything that was helpful in the live content The content in the wiki Well, open up j4c, you know dive in and see what you can find and there are There's actually I happen to know extremely good discussion of rank in j4c discussion That will probably always be relevant and it's there if you need it, but it's not getting in the way if you don't Let's search in the monomap and then Bob, I know that you're looking at the question of categorization So sets of links that that cover various categories and I made some up here statistical analysis higher math indexing and search and so on and In a web style interface the way you would handle that is you'd have yet another set of maps You'd have a map for Beginners for example, and it would have a couple of dozen links on it And that map would disappear when you clicked on one of those links and so on as I discussed before In the monomap interface one way you might handle this to say, all right, let's let's look at the beginners lakes And they just become hits in effect And so you've got your absolutely essential terms The glossary how to use nuvo and so on And then there's information and guides as well. I just made these up obviously the real links would be would be presumably different But again, here's a case of yet another set of maps and we can implement it all within the context of this monomap that covers the entire website So if I understand it Yeah, go ahead I was gonna say if I understand it The monomap you've got basically you can change the lens that you're looking at So now you're looking at it as a beginner's lens or back to a reference lens saying That I think is a good way to express it. Yes, exactly And I I should I should emphasize and I should have and then I'll stop I should emphasize this in the at the outset I can't imagine this becoming a production delivered Big Like most very left field prototypes. It's unlikely to make its way into users hands The the pipeline from Demo to prototype to product is very narrow and very difficult to navigate The point of this is more to throw off ideas That might become relevant to a more conventional development effort And that's really all i'm trying to do is expand the discussion a little bit And with that I will stop. You're the first people I've shown this to so any comments questions critique discussion I'd be very happy to hear um So Ed are these Are the three columns just because there's so many it's it's wrapping around Exactly. Yeah, that's not clear. I need to work on that. But yes, that's exactly right With the three columns, Ed Do you think it would be possible instead of Devoting a column to your single letters Which when you see the the the expansion off to the the right you can see clearly. It's the first letter in the line But would it be possible instead of doing that? Put those two fields together and you just have a one two or three or however many um However many pages you have to go through Because the the the single letter doesn't actually really help you It's it's the fact that when you select that field you can see the full expansion, right? Right So I'm not sure I understood the second part of what you said, but I wasn't following the first part Okay, so what i'm saying is the really the information really is useful to me when I look at this what you've got right now for j4c Is the field to the right so it's got thread verb and I can see everything spelled out Now to go through the different um The different pages if you will of these of these expansions You're really just going from one to two to three to four to five to six to you know, they're nine of them. I think Yeah, what if you just had Across the top of your expanded field essentially one through nine in the case of j4c And you just select on one and you're going to see all the stuff That is below it I take your point. Yeah, you're probably absolutely right. Um But I If there was something more that the single letter was doing Then I wouldn't suggest putting There is something there's two things it's doing. Okay. Um one thing it's doing is it's giving his concept of a a fixed Um a fixed field something that that your muscle memory can can pick up And the other thing is it's retaining on the right hand side the original structure of Of the presentation is the chapter format is being retained there So it you write that in and of itself these letters don't mean much you have to Start browsing to to to even see how they connect anything But I I wouldn't say they don't that they do nothing. I guess what I'm saying Tricky, I take both of your points Yeah, I've got to think about that for a bit. The only question I've got is You're right, Raul. I can see that they are doing something. Are they doing enough to justify that center space? That's that's that's a question. Yes Yeah, there is a glance I find it so much confusing just all these letters and not any particular There's also some rather unfortunate consequences here Like um r&d fart in the middle of the display About three lines down What the mouth is Oh The universe is playing games Don't know what to say Did not have planned it Let me let me think about that a little harder The interesting one interesting thing about having all the letters is that if I had Pages one through nine across the top And I were you know way down at the bottom of the list I have to go all the way back up select the next page and then come down again Whereas here I've got a sort of 2d navigation though. That's true from column to column If you can if you can move over to the to the right without having a jump Which is which is going to do here unfortunately unless you slow down the hover time I guess if you move quickly if you can move all the way to the left again, you can control there that would be useful You can move over into the table and to the word to to the wordy part. Oh, I see. Yeah No, unfortunately you'd have to move very fast and deep Um, I'd have to yeah, I'd have to fix that. Uh, yeah. All right. Well, uh, so role Bob you've given me a lot to think about here, right? There's there's a lot to hate in this jumble of letters this crossword puzzle that we're looking at Yeah, but it's it's it's it's yeah, it's it's there It is a jumble of letters right now, especially when you look at j for c I mean you start to see where the overload occurs, right When you've got a you go to say to the answer or the phrases or something like that it becomes much more manageable Um, you know that you've got a you've got a couple of pages, but again, I'm just not sure whether If there was a way to move between the pages across the top of the expanded I will think about it. Yeah. Yeah And there's also other things that would be assuming that that these issues get sorted out and it's actually decided Somebody decides that this is kind of fun Um, there's the the the speed issue which there's things I I think we could I know how we could do to to improve that but there's also the maintenance issue of As we update the wiki, how do we propagate changes? How would we propagate changes? This thing which which kind of implies some need for um it's a spider I search engine spider type of a I think that that catch his updates. I I I that's what I built It doesn't I mean it doesn't but it does catch updates, I guess, but it's very fragile As you could imagine. Yep. I it's not the right. It's not the right way to do it um, I think I think probably and I hesitate to say this because it would be work um Where there are map pages on the wiki so new vote So j4c assays ancillary Vocabulary phrases and so on Rather than maintaining those In media wiki pages where there's tight binding between content and format that makes spidering really difficult Particularly the new vote What I would suggest is that one approach would be to say look we're going to keep Abstract minimally formatted representations of those map pages so new vote Ancillary pages phrases system scripts and so on In tables and they could be media wiki tables that could be maintained by the community conceivably But they would be minimally formatted So in the case of j4c, for example, it would just be Links titles and maybe some indention information In the table and then we'd have a spider. We'd have a generator. We have generator routines One set for media wiki, which would take those Tables and generate the fully formatted media wiki map pages And another set for this or something like it That would take those same tables and generate this this presentation And it's no less Either way we go it's going to be there's going to be software that you'd have to to write I mean, well, it's it's worse than that It's not just the software and the software is actually pretty trivial Where does it live who maintains it who gets pinged when there is a change to one of those table pages Who's responsible for running the extraction software and checking to make sure it's produced a good, you know Good nicely formatted media wiki pages or whatever It's a whole thing and it's not just a question of writing some writing some code This community is more than capable of doing that It's a whole system policies procedures roles and responsibilities that would have to be set up and maintained going forward And that's work Yep although I should also add that When I did the books I it is possible to do You know to to do a scraper that that is is style aware and does a recently good job of extracting contracting most content Right. I actually tried to write a scraper for a new book that would infer part of speech from the color of the did I don't recommend that as a as an exercise In the end I said that's quite the easiest thing because that's not going to change hardly ever that can be a hard coding table You Hard to speech Yeah, yeah. Um, in the end I spent a day extracting new book into a spreadsheet without formatting and that's what I used to generate to generate this Okay, so That is fun Holy spit, that's fun. I say Dave likes it Oh well good um So I uh, I got I've got two comments one which is a killer for this unfortunately, but maybe there's a way around it And that is this is really good on a You know laptop or a bigger system. It's not a handheld option. I don't think No, no But that just means that we know who we're targeting, right? I should also say that there's nothing to stop us from sorry There's everything to stop us but in principle one could deliver this in the browser Um major all the major browsers have enough graphics that you could you could do this. There's there's no problem at all Uh, the problem the only issue is we couldn't write it in our favorite language. It's not as far as I know Okay, so but but I guess just throwing out my first thing about handheld You're really not aiming this at a handheld community, right? Because it's just an it is a screen space issue, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I gave myself the luxury of a 1080p screen. Yeah. Yeah, so so let's not worry about that I was just wondering whether you had some magical way to come around it and I was thinking well, this could be quite cool But but but that's okay because I mean you aim at your your audiences um, the other thing I was going to say is what strikes me is This to me, especially the the new vote part to me This isn't it. This is an amazing interface into new vote. It's really probably the way new vote should have been created to begin with Because it does allow you to do much more exploration without having to jump back and forth between pages Uh, so you're you're just focused on the mono map as a presentation of new vote Right now. That's where I that that's where I see the strongest fit and in that sense We've talked about this actually in recent meetings There are areas of the wiki that you you've preferred to them sort of is frozen. That's not a bad term I don't think we've used that but it's not a bad term to use There are areas that are less likely to change or will change much more slowly or with more thought And those areas I think this could work really well for the areas that are changing more quickly I'm not sure that you would even worry about that think of this as a mono interface into the more stable areas And that's a huge win And why wouldn't you want a mono interface into the less stable areas? Well, you could aside from the cost The the the thing about the the um, I'm remind reminded of a RFC on distinction between cool links and hot links where cool links are basically the frozen content here And hot links is the stuff that that changes. It's very dynamic. And the thing about the model map is it is itself a cool presentation, you know, it's it's a um, it's a fixed presentation It doesn't allow you to it's not really designed to incorporate new content because that's um, you know, you You start having to rebuild the whole Fixed map when you when you when you've gotten you new you had a new section for example or whatever No, let's say I have a graphic section you have to you have to have a new a new you have to restart rebuild your your your If you want to have a graphic section It so happens I mean you could have as one of the wiki specification tables a list of sections with urls to the Those tables that are you know that represents section this can this can this can incorporate I think maybe I call a warm con I can it can incorporate some changes But if you like if you double the number of sections You you don't you're on a screen. That is true If you if you do things like add pages on an incremental basis This will have no problem handling that all of this is built in about five seconds when you launch the app um, and if if if the wiki were to have Additional essays additional ancillary content added it would accommodate that fairly gracefully If you did if you did things like Change the section labels for example In the guides that would break it. That's for sure Um, so you're right and maybe warm is a good way to think about it in that sense, but I also think that Barring major changes it would be possible to specify the map content in such a way that Minor to medium changes could be accommodated without code changes Guessing but that's my that's my guess All right, if there are no further questions, I'll turn it back over to bob and thank you all very much Hey, very very interesting


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Do you smell it? That's the smell of Indian mangoes.  No, no, it's all over the room. Is it really? Yes. Josh! Welcome back to where Steve would react when he eats up Corbin. I'm Rick. And he falls like, it's good, I'm, I don't think some Patreon followers should account. Subscribe if you haven't, hit the like button. I smell cardboard. No, it's definitely mangoes. Today we're trying Indian mangoes again. I think you could smell it because you knew they were in here. No, it's quite pungent. I didn't smell it. I can, I have a pretty good sense of smell. No, you have a terrible sense of smell. I have a great sense of smell. No, you don't smell your... I was gonna say something real dirty. I can't even say it. Oh, no. It's good. When you self-censor and then we talk about it off camera, it's always a wise choice. I can't even. Anyways, today we are trying Indian mangoes again, just different varieties. Thank you to, I think it's, I think their name is ZZ Mangoes. Let me double-check here. Yes, ZZ Mangoes, ZZ Mangoes.com. This is technically, there's not sponsored, we're not being paid at all. They would just kindly send us, the first box we ever got of mangoes, one of our subscribers sent us. And I believe it was from this company. And then I reached out and I was like, hey, can we get more maybe? And then the pandemic happened and it's been a long process. But anyways, they finally sent us three different mangoes that we have not had. Okay. And there's many different varieties of mangoes. Different kinds of mangoes. And so we're going to try them here. And so the three are, read that name for me. El Fanzo. And then I like that. I like that. Totapuri. And then Sindri. Sindri. El Fanzo. And it's, I'm very, very excited. Everything, if you haven't seen our original mango, I don't actually know what kind those were. I don't think it told us. I don't recall. The second kind we had was a ridiculously sweet. Remember those? Yeah, it was like a dessert. It was a candied yam. Yeah, it was donkulous. I don't believe we've had any of this kind. Of this kind. All right. And so, hold on. The audio is going to be bad for a second. And do we know exactly how many kinds there are? I think there's like hundreds of varieties. Really? Yeah. There you go. It's mango-licious. It is. Can you smell it now? Yeah, and I smell the cardboard still too. It's so weird. Anyways, so we're going to do it again and try to get them to... All right. Do you remember how we did it the first time? How we cut the mango the first time? No, because I just remember cramming it down my yack hole. I remember it being cut and just going. No, because we like cut it like, so it came in like little squares.  And then people were just like, juice! Which is like, guess what we have to do now? Yeah. I just, I want to be clean with it. So I have paper towels and a fork if Corbin gets a... A fork? Where's Agentina? This says, brangampali. Which is not one of the ones I... Nope. That was not on the list. What's the proper way to... Howdy, Indian, because we've messed it up every single time we've done a mango video. How would you get into this bad boy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, well, that was years ago. The white woman? Oh, that was the first one? Yes. Oh, we got ridicules for cutting it. So, like cut the sides off? Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. So like here. No, no, this way. Right? No. Here, Johnny. Here. That's not safe. Yeah, there you go. Careful there. Don't lose a finger. We have our resident Indian cutting our mangoes for us. Okay. Is that not good? That's fine. She just murmured something. Is it not right? It's just that we have, like we have alfanzas. Now what I take a spoon and I scoop the meat, the fruit meat and then I have it. Can you also just like dig it out with your teeth? Yeah, no, no, no, no. Okay. I'm just inside. Help yourself. It smells so mango-y. Yeah, it's less orange than the other ones. Yeah, it just has a hint of orange. And now we choose, right? I beg your pardon? Choose!  Yeah. It's nice and soft and tender. That one has like a... floral flavor to that one. Yeah, it's less sweet and way more floral. And obviously no clue where this is on the spectrum of being unripe or overripe. What do you think? Looking at it. It's refreshing. Yeah. Like that's the last one that you couldn't eat a whole one. It was too sweet. It was like, that was like a dessert. This one, I feel like I could eat the whole mango. Yeah, it'd be great summer snackage. It's juicy.  I hate when that happens. Yeah, very comparable. There's some stickiness there. Yeah, that's good. I like that one. I do too. Isn't that one, that's a good one. What is it called again? Well, based on what just happened here, it's the ejaculate poison mango. Oh, that's fine. Oh, you're, whoa, what are you doing over there, lady? This is how you do it. You're mangling the mango. Is that where the word mangling comes from? Mango? I hate when the mangoes. I want you, that's a great pickup line. It's just dripping all over the place. How'd you like me to mango your mango? That's what she said.    So, hold on. So what? Hold on.  Oh, that's the whole, my finger. Yeah, juice it. Yeah. Juice. Like the intro. Yeah, we're gonna need. I have paper towels, so you're good. Yeah. I gotta get a little anchor in there. It's very nice. So that's what Indians just do. They'll take it out like that and just. That's the way it should be done. Barbaric. Who wants to be civil about it? We don't need. No one wants to be civil about it. Civility's dead in the world. No one's civil anymore. Yeah, that one was good. It was kind of more subtle than some of the other ones. People are so uncivil. We couldn't have a civil war if we tried. Andronic, can you cut this one for me? This one's the. That's really good. I don't wanna eat all of this because that's probably gonna give me the poops. And this one is, I believe, the king of the mangoes? The king of the mangoes. Alfonzo? King mango. His name is Alfonzo.  King of the mangoes. Alfonzo's his name.  Yeah, like that. It's so juicy. It is. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that one's so orange. That's what we're talking about. That one's gonna be so sweet. Thanksgiving dessert. Here we come. This is why this is the king of the mangoes. King of the mangoes. Alfonzo is very, very orange. Alfonzo sounds. Oh, look at this. Oh yeah. Yeah. This is the money shot right here.  That's the money shot right there. Here it is right there. Here we go. I'm really sorry, honey. You need to just go back to where you came from. Alfonzo's winner. It doesn't even compare. I mean that was good. It's more like a pineapple. No, at least it's a real mango compared to the crap at the grocery store here in America. That's very enjoyable. Wouldn't turn that away. But if you've got Alfonzo. This is, oh. Alfonzo's orgasmic.  Oh yeah. Oh my, of course my heart. Everything about this. The flavor is more full, it's juicier. The texture is softer. It is a lot like a sweet potato that's cooked really, really well. Here baby. I couldn't do this to a sweet potato. No, that is so good. I can do this to your mom though. Alfonzo is the king of. My wife is doing a little jig over there. Hey, careful, don't get too attached to Alfonzo. I feel like I just gave Alfonzo fellatio. You did. And Alfonzo thanks you. Alfonzo dripped all over me. Well, that's what happens when you give Alfonzo fellatio.     Oh yeah. The G string of the mango. This is Alfonzo's G string after he's gotten sweaty in his tank. Oh God.  Up or down? Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna get your meat, Alfonzo. Who knew this was just gonna be a horny video? We need to put a disclaimer at the front that the kids need to not be in the room for this one. Also, once again, this is not sponsored. But nope. If you would like to send your sad sap American friends mangoes. Yep. And brag. ZZ mangoes does send them from India. And so in that aspect, it will be sponsored but it is not sponsored in terms of we are not being paid.  Alfonzo's the clear winner. Without question. I feel like the other one is very, very, we do, I need somebody to hold this because it's under, I have a bunch of mangoes here. All right, here, we need to clear that. I would grab it, but I have Alfonzo dripped all over my hands. Okay, there we go. And I don't really wanna wipe it off. I will, I will, if I ever meet an Alfonzo, I'm gonna have a hard time not smirking. So for all of you Alfonzo's out there, my apologies. There might be more that are less. Yeah, what happens when they get too ripe? Do they shrivel up like, that looks like those look like rhino testicles. Okay.  And it's fine. That one's called, say it. Trust your judgment. Cindy. Cindy. And I can tell you what that one is right here because I do have the thing for it. It's from Pakistan and Pakistan, sorry, and would be ripe on arrival. Oh, geez, all right. Wanted to get here August last year. Yeah, last year. Oh, apparently it looks pretty good. Does it look good? According to Andrani, she. Okay, good. And it says it looks good. It can quickly move to spoilage. Fridge repated. That's the spoilage right there, right? Okay, so don't eat that part. But those other parts are okay? Okay. I have a little slice there, Andrani. Okay, so this is. Whoa. Ooh, that one smells really good. Yeah. Interesting. More mild. Very mild. Not as mango-y a flavor as Alfonzo. Still like, same juiciness. Refreshing and juiciness. But just a more mellow laid-back flavor. Yeah, you don't have a burst of flavor that the Alfonzo does. No, Alfonzo's still the king. God, we still don't have anything like any of these. No, this still puts American mangoes at the beginning. I don't think you could cut a mango in America like this and eat it like this. No. I don't feel it's that tender. No, and the mangoes, like we'll get mangoes from Mexico, and they'll be okay, but they're nothing like Indian mangoes. Nothing, nothing even. I had to go back down on an Alfonzo. Cause once you have Alfonzo. You don't go back.  As you should. Yeah, this one's fine. That one's fine. But like, I've been spoiled by the king. Yeah, the Alfonzo. The Alfonzo is gonzo. And I don't know what kind we had the first. I mean, we might have had the Alfonzo first. I don't remember because I don't think we were told. It may have been. I didn't even know there were different varieties of mango. Me too. It wouldn't surprise me if the Alfonzo was the first one because that was comparable to the deliciousness and not as sweet as the next one that was like a dessert that we had, whatever that was. It was a... May have been overripe, but I... No, no, no, no, the second mango. Totally understand why and agree. No, not this. Alfonzo is the king of the mangoes that we've had today. Now, do they grow everywhere in India, the Alfonzos? Or do they grow only in like a certain region? Okay, let us know. Well, a lot of people said that like, take the seeds, grow it in your backyard. Really here, Arid, California, will grow? Apparently people have done it here, I got messages. Okay, then let's grow an Alfonzo. We could try. Yeah, I would love to try. I'd love to try. How long would it take to get it to fruition? Nice word. Botanical usage of the word. I know, how many years?  Probably? I don't know, because that's sugar cane, that's how long sugar cane takes. Maybe less to actually get one? Doesn't know how to grow mangoes, God. You don't know how to make Alfonzo grow? I don't believe that. Anyways, ah, this is, yeah, do it, where you go. I heard the juicy squirt of Alfonzo in your mouth. Alfonzo's got some juicy content. Sorry, kids. Clearly it's been a while since Alfonzo. Sorry, I didn't know this would be such a horny video. Well, I do want to thank ZZMangos for sending us, because the sad saps in America, unfortunately we don't get Indian mangoes outside of when people do send them to us. So like I said, if you do have sad sap American friends that would like Indian mangoes, use them, I'll put their link in the description below. Many of these would be great, but by far. Alfonzo is the king. Alfonzo is king. He is king. Anyways, if anybody else wants to send us mangoes, please do, we'll eat them. Let us know what your favorite mango is down below. Just!