All right, looks as if it is four o'clock. We will call the March 22nd Architecture Review Board to order. Steve, if you could please run us through the roll call. Joe Clark. Present. Present. Jerry Jones. Present. Richard Lindy. Present. Pam Langen was excused. Robert Heimerl was excused. Charlie Wig. Charlie Wig. We have forum. We have a qualm. Excellent, thank you. If I could please ask everyone then to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible. And under item 1.3, if any of the board members have a potential conflict of interest with today's items, hearing none, I will move to the approval of the minutes from February 22nd. Presumably everyone had a chance to review those. This is Jerry, make a motion to approve as presented. Second. Marcus Savalio. Thank you both. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, do a voice vote on this one? Yeah, we could do a voice vote. Let's do a voice vote. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? And with the echoes it was very unanimous. Yes. All right, thank you, the minutes are approved. Item 3.1, first item today is the proposed construction of a new Popeyes restaurant at 3207 South Business Drive. And I believe the presenter for that, Mark, that would be you on the phone. Yeah, I represent the developer. And I think we have James Burkhardt with Excel engineering who's helping us with development as well. Excellent, thank you. If one of you could just give us a brief synopsis of what it is you're proposing, and then we'll take it up for discussion. Yes, I think we purchased the lot, which was the former Ryder Truck Service Center. And it was quite a large lot. So we actually are in the process of splitting that into two separate lots. And on the northern half of that lot, which is roughly about, I don't know, James would have the measurements, but we want to build a freestanding Popeyes QSR restaurant that is illustrated in the slides that I guess someone has present. But yeah, so it's just a traditional freestanding QSR with a drive-through. Okay, thank you. Steve, I know the city had some comments on this one. Would you review those for us, please? Sure. And James or Mark, I think maybe before I go into the city comments, maybe one of you could speak in terms of the architecture of the building, the elevation drawing that the board is considering today. So if someone wants to go through those building elevations and plans, now would be the time to do that. Yeah, James, I'll divert to you, probably the better. Sure. So on the front elevation, we're looking at a majority of EFIS along with some fiber cement wood siding, which is the brown material. The towers would be fiber cement in the form of a brick texture. And then the rest of the buildings mainly EFIS as well. Okay. All right, if you want to go through some of the comments. So a couple of comments that staff had with regards to the project. One of them was that in that particular section of South Business Drive, you have the Washington Square Development and you have several outlets on the west side. And much of that is brick. So one of the questions that staff had for the board was the applicants proposing horizontal fiber cement pattern on the front towers and portions of north and south elevations. But they show a vertical fiber cement wood pattern on the main tower element. And so the question that staff had was applicant might want to explain the reasoning behind that design because staff is unsure about the vertical fiber cement on that section. And should that same horizontal design be used to the building in order to be uniform? Also, should there be more brick instead of EFIS on that front South Business Drive elevation to be more consistent with the other development in that neighborhood? Couple other comments were with regards to the shutters on the north and south sides of the rear of the building that those are presently teal in color. And staff was questioning whether or not there was any reason why the shutters couldn't be a similar color to that of the trim or the awning colors located on a building similar to the other Popeyes brand orange and red accents on the building. Any thoughts on the freezer design? The freezer just kind of looks like it's placed at the back of the building with a design that really doesn't relate to the rest of the building. There are several horizontal band elements that just seem to dead end. And is there any reason why these bands couldn't extend throughout the sides of the building? Is there any reason why the brick on the main entry south elevation where it says, love that chicken could not be stepped up above the EFIS portion of the building similar to the building design on the drive-through on the north elevation? And would the parapets just cover the mechanicals? So those were just a couple of comments that staff had that the board and the applicant can address. And those were great comments. Thanks, Steve. And they summarized all the thoughts I had had so nicely I figured it was easiest to run through them that way. Maybe Mark and James was it? If you want to respond to those and then have additional discussion? Yeah, I'll try to touch on a few of them and then James could probably elaborate. As far as the, you'd mentioned kind of the disparity between the horizontal applications and the vertical applications, as far as the EFIS, I give, they're the only horizontal segments that I guess you would reference as really the differentiation and the color of the EFIS material on the bottom portion and the top portion. Other than that, there's really not any kind of horizontal patterns that really exist. It's pretty a uniform application over the surface area. The vertical wood panelings are kind of a Nietzsche hop paneling that the brand has kind of applied. So I'm not really sure whether they have the acceptance of want to turn those horizontal or not. It's kind of up to the design team at Popeyes specifically. The freezer material, we've gone to a paintable surface of those freezer panels instead of what you a lot of times see as a galvanized steel material. We gravitated towards more of a paintable surface, which we generally try to match the color of the EFIS material that's the most predominant that you see everywhere else. They had mentioned a couple of color variations that they see in this site versus some other ones. Well, not sure if you're aware, but Popeyes as a brand is going in through a re-imaging process where they're transitioning the image that you're probably most familiar with into what you see here. It's a newer image. We built the same model in Green Bay and eventually over the next three to five years, a lot of the existing Popeyes that you know now will be bound to re-imaging to this new design anyway. So a lot of the colors that you see on shutters and such are going to this. I would say the only variation that we've gotten, and this is a newer update that we've gotten from the brand is they've actually gone and changed those red awnings to match the same teal. I'm not sure exactly why. I thought maybe they thought it was more uniform, but you're actually going to see more of that teal in the awnings as well, not the red. That's not reflected in these plans, but that's something that the brand has been pushing lately. And so other than that, everything is pretty consistent. You mentioned the love of chicken emblem that's on the one elevation. I guess maybe I misunderstood where that was proposed to be relocated, but I think where it's at is really the only applicable surface because the contrast of color really only stands out on that brick. If you tried to put it on an ethos material, you wouldn't be able to see it. Now, if I could interrupt there, I don't think the current was related to the location of that element. It was referencing the lack of a parapet at that point. That appears to be sort of the main entry element to the building, and yet it's getting less hierarchy in treatment than any of the other ancillary pieces. So it seems like it would want to draw more attention to that rather than have it tie in at the same height. Yeah, I'm not really sure. I mean, it's more of just a graphic, the main entrance being the double doors with the awning over it as far as the, yeah, as far as the elevation of where that's placed, I'm not really sure. I mean, again, a lot of the design elements that we are bound to are more of a corporate, branding design decision, not so much on our individual design, or I don't know how much jurisdiction we have over those decisions. We can definitely, there is some ability to kind of negotiate with small variations of it when you talk about cities that have requirements in terms of brick requirements or other types of materials, but I mean, if we want to propose moving the elevation of that art, we can definitely propose it. I don't see why there would be an objection to it. I think it's more probably. The issue is not moving the location of that art. It's that the element that that art is on with the main entrance does not have a parapet. The height of that hole, is that the fake brick there, dies at the same camp line as everything else, whereas like your drive-through mass and the front mass are projected above with parapets. It just seems like that. That wall that you see is a parapet extension. So the roof line is actually below that. So like the actual roof line is not flushed with the top of what you see as a black band. So let me restate that. It's not the parapet issue, it's the different height element for that entry block. Just take a look at the drive-through side compared to the entry side. You'll see that the drive-through side is a little bit taller than the elevation or to the sections of the building to the east and west of it. I don't think it is though, that drive-through side, if you're looking at that elevation, the drive-through has an extension outward, so the visual may be a little off. We're looking in elevation, so it should not be an issue of perspective. Are you right? No, I'm okay, I apologize. Yeah, you are correct. Yeah, I don't know if they just wanted some variations for the design, I don't know. But as far as the difference in height of the parapet, I think it's more just designed than it is for any structural integrity. James, do you have anything to add to that? Yeah, from the corporate runs we had received, there was nothing about that tower on the main entrance side that was raised up, but I understand their questioning of the tower on the drive-through side's raised up a foot, so why isn't the main entrance side raised up a foot? I guess that goes back to corporate, and if they have leniency to approve that to be a foot higher on that main entrance side. Yeah, I would have to visit with the brand about it, but it's something I've ran into before. Okay, the other elements that were brought up that I'd like to discuss more. First one is that the building seems disjointed to me. I don't know how the rest of the board feels, but it's a very simple boxy building, but it's been broken up into a lot of separate elements that don't seem to have a lot of pieces to then re-tie them back together again, and I'm just feeling that for me, there's too much disjointedness, and I would like to have things start to be better integrated. I think the comment about the awnings shifting to teal would actually start to help that, that at least then some of those colors carry through more continuously, but finding ways to get the massing blocks to be a little more related would be appreciated, and I think my last couple of comments, and I'll turn it over to the rest of the board, the masonry aspect, I think, and I did drive past there just to confirm that all of the new construction down in that area really does seem to have been the mostly masonry with EFAS or Fiber Cement as accents, but pretty predominantly everything has a masonry base, which I think is gonna hold up a lot better and provide a little, potentially a little more uniformity to the building, so I would like to see that pursued. The freezer enclosure does seem very kind of tacked on and utilitarian at the back, where we have been requiring for dumpster enclosures and things like the freezer enclosure to be more in keeping with the architecture and materials of the building, and those were my hot button issues. Board, other comments or thoughts? Feel free to contradict me. And talking with the representative from the corporation, it seems that the corporate image is more important than local consideration, so I would like to consider that we reject the application until they can take a look at the local situation a little more carefully and adapt their building more carefully to the comments that have been made today. Thank you, Dick. Other comments? Mark and James, we've been going on a bit here, give you guys a chance to participate in this discussion. Your thoughts and feedback? Yeah, I would definitely counter to say it. I don't think that our priority on the brand imaging is anywhere remotely more significant than the city's perspective by any means, so I don't want you guys to feel that that's our perspective. We've been in the Popeye system for 20 years, so we've had the luxury of building in multiple jurisdictions, and so we're definitely open to adapting discussions, and I have some familiarities with what the brand has been a little bit easier to negotiate with and which ones seem to be a little pressing for them. So for example, like with the brick, I know that there's been a lot of applications where the grayer color EFIS that you see has been substituted for a lot more of that brick application, so then you have this contrast of brick at the base, and then you have that more of that off-white EFIS material above it, so there definitely is some leverages to be made with those discussions. I mean, for that matter, I've seen applications that come in and they have brick over 80% of the surface area because of the area of development that they went in just had a strict regulation against it. So there is some discussions that can be had and there is some of the ability to kind of negotiate with the brand on what they will allow and what they want. We're fine with any of that. As the operators, we're individual franchisees, we're not stuck to the design that the brand dictated. They are a brand and we are under some of their jurisdiction, and so we have to kind of play nice with them, but ultimately we want a building that looks nice, and if that means changing some of the material, then we're completely open to that. So I didn't want it to make it sound like we are anti-adaptive. As the franchisee, we definitely are. We just have to kind of play around the red tape that the brand has. Being a national brand, an international brand, they like to flex a little bit on us from time to time, but we've learned to kind of play their game to some degree. So we can definitely have those discussions, so. Great, I appreciate that. We certainly appreciate Popeye's wanting to open up a restaurant there. We don't want to provide huge roadblocks for them, but at the same time we want to make sure that it's consistent with the other architecture in that area. Oh, 100%. And I think to come back and address the items that the city had included in the write-up, I know that staff with the city will be more than happy to work with you moving forward. So, Dick, was your comment a motion or just a comment? You're all set to go. Oh, okay. My comment was not a motion. It was an observation that the representative seems to be a little hesitant to consider any change. And I think his last comment indicates that they would be willing. So I would be willing to make a motion that we table the application until they can resubmit the drawings to be more consistent with what the comments were today. Great, thank you. We have a motion. Do we have a second for that motion? Second. Second. We have two seconds. Not sure who won that one. Any further discussion? So just so the applicants are aware so what they're talking about is just tabling this matter and that you would work with staff on just updating the drawings and then have those resubmitted for next meeting for the board to reconsider. And I can obviously work with you guys in terms of some of those comments. Yeah, James, do you have a pretty good understanding of what adjustments they'd like to see? Yeah, I believe so. Okay. So any additional discussion from the board? Hearing none, Steve, if you could run us through the roll call votes and let's just do an aye or a nay. So we just have to run through one. And this is the table for now. Joe Clark. Aye. Marcus Savaglio. Aye. Jerry Jones. Aye. Richard Lindy. Aye. And Charlie Wig. Aye. All right, thank you all very much. And I guess I can, if you could please. James and Mark, what we can do is this is Steve Sokolowski speaking, just kind of like what we've done to get to this point. If we need to talk a little bit about some of the comments and then just updating the drawings, we'll get that done together and we'll get that back here and get that approved. Okay, sounds good. Okay. Thank you very much. And then we'll see you guys tomorrow. That brings us to item 3.2, the proposed exterior remodel of the Verlo tenant space at 4315 South Taylor Drive. If you could introduce yourself and give us a little summary of your project, please. Is this on? Okay. Yep. My name is Tim Fettig. I am the franchisee of the Verlo Mantris factory store in Manitowoc in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. We've been in Sheboygan since 1998 in two other different locations. And so I'm here today. We're looking at relocating probably for the last time in Sheboygan here. And we have a new sign requirement by our franchisor that we'd like to be able to apply to the new space if possible. Okay. So, can I go ahead? So, Tim and I have been speaking a little bit with regards to his proposal. Verlo will be coming to the plan commission tomorrow for a use. And one of the things that they're taking a look at is the signage and the front of the building. And really the questions that come as a result of that is how it relates to the new portion of the building. Nice materials as a standalone entrance and a standalone building would probably look great. It does probably look very good. But the questions that we had is just how does it relate to the rest of the building, which is gonna be much different in appearance. So, I know Tim might have some comments on that both from himself and from an owner perspective of the building. But that was probably the comments and we haven't gotten that information back yet. I'm confident. So, Tim, can you give you a chance to respond there? Yeah, that's great. So, when we originally were looking at this location, we brought the elevations that you saw in our brand standards manual that show it's actually a very neat panel system because what we found is a lot of times in buildings when we do our individual letters, it was very difficult to, we had to drill a lot of holes through the building in order to put up our individual letter signs that are LED lit. So, what our corporate came up with is if we put a facade of some sort, we can then reduce the number of penetrations we needed to building owners, the people who own the building that we're renting from. And they loved it. They thought it looked great. They thought as long as it was okay with the architectural board and we could get the approval that it would enhance the look of the building. It is an end cap. So, it is, well, not freestanding. It isn't like it's at the far end, south end of that building. And everyone just, while we were standing there looking at it, thought it would enhance the way that the building looks. So, it does make it stand out a little bit differently. And Verlo is just kind of a different little animal, I guess is the best way to explain it. I think the comments are all right on track. And as a design element in and of itself, it's a nice piece. I think the issue is just how does it relate to that overall form? There are some arches to the building. That this piece just doesn't seem to relate to those. And I'm not sure how it would be adjusted to do that. But I think sympathetically, it architecturally could be set up as sort of a standalone piece that feels more in keeping with the rest of the facade. Yeah, I think you're right. It doesn't, there's always a flow and then a compliment. And so when we were kind of looking at it, we were looking at it more of a complimentary type addition for the facade rather than a flow. Because yes, there's like four archways in the building, which denote kind of entry spaces. So it totally, and so our thoughts with the building owners and with the sign company were that this would compliment that space in a way that wouldn't necessarily be offensive from a design perspective. Sorry, just pulling up the, yeah, trying to get that out of the ceiling here for ya. I'm sure I'm remembering it properly. I asked the sign company, I wanted to get bigger rendering of it on. Steve and I had talked about showing a rendering it on the whole, like show the whole building with, there we go. Showing the rendering it with it just over that doorway right there, exactly.  And we would be going to that, that where that break in the wall is and then just surrounding our entrance. So it basically go across, and it wouldn't even be that high. It's actually gonna be just the height of where the sign is right there. You're like just right there. So it'll go across, and it'll have the combination of the wood surfaces, which is a reserve white. It's actually a citadel envelope is what they call it. So that would go right over where you see the diamond vogal sign. It would come down between the two entrance ways. And then over that first set of windows, yep, right there. So you'd have the white citadel material, and then you'd have cedar siding, which would again kind of you can see in the drawing there. We are not making an application to paint everything blue. We didn't wanna do that. The building owner didn't care. He said if we wanted to, we could, but we just at this point, I just think using the facade for our individual lettering and then enhancing that little end cap would be a great way to approach it. I think one of the challenges that we'll be facing you, if you could bring up that street view again, the arched elements, and I remember this coming up when this building was first approved. I wanna close it. No, this is fine. With the paired entries under the arch to then put any differentiation to either of those, starts to really minimize the other. So I would be hoping for a way that your elements and the materials, which are great, could get incorporated in a way that does what you're looking for for that branding for your piece of the building, but is done in a way that's sympathetic enough to the architecture of the building as a whole, that it doesn't feel like it's fighting against it and make the entry immediately next to it that shares that arched entry piece feel sort of second class even though you're dressing yours up a lot. How to do that? I don't know. I was just gonna ask that. I think as an architectural design challenge, there's an answer there. I'm not sure what it is, but I would love to see you work with your corporate folks or an architect to come up with a solution for that. If we made, I was out there with a sign company and we're gonna have to do something in front, like where Diamond Vogel sign is and even Parker Kirkland, they actually, their signs are on something else. So if I can't make it as big as this, would I be able to maybe to use a portion of the white and a portion of the wood mostly just at the sign height instead of coming all the way down to the ground? Would that be a reasonable? And I would have, I don't think we're gonna make a decision today really, so I would have better drawings and renderings for you at the next meeting if that's something that you thought was possible. Right, I think that sounds great. If you're talking about taking some of those material elements and using them up more as a sort of sign piece, rather than that architecturally grounded surround, that might help you. Okay, okay. The building was set up that it really was intended, I think to work with just blocks of signage to differentiate where the different tenants went and the introduction of that extra architectural piece while as a piece it's really nice, it's how does it integrate with the rest of it? Hard to say yes or no without a visual to see. I think there are a number of solutions that could work there, but your folks may need to get a little creative to make that come together. Franchisors, I was listening to the Popeye discussion and I thought while franchisors are not super flexible entities, but yes, as franchisees we're always flexible. We wanna serve customers, we love our community and we wanna serve our community, so I'm sure we'll come up with a really good plan. And we certainly appreciate the branding element and the corporate identity that needs to be maintained, but it seems that creative architecture can usually take that and work it into its surroundings so they're all complimentary. That'll be perfect. So based on that it sounds as if we're probably looking to table this one also to come back to a subsequent meeting, but I'm feeling I've monopolized the conversation here as usual, so other board members, other comments or concerns? I'd make a motion to hold this. Second. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Can I ask one question? Steve. When we look at kind of like these drawings, when we look at these drawings, is this something, cause you see the wood and the sign, is that something that works over this section or in that just that little bit or between the windows and I'm not sure. I guess he just needs to bring a couple things back and we can look at them up. Just trying to figure out what, how this works. I think one of the issues that I play designer in my head, what might I do? That arch that you're fighting with above, is there some way to at least reference that? Maybe it's taking your curve and running it the other way. Yeah, that I don't know. Well, like I was looking at Parker, that black piece that's behind the Parker turquoise sign, it's kind of backlit, it glows back into the black. So the way I kind of was, if we're gonna minimize it, what I thought is maybe we have two of the upright or three of the upright white pieces and then some of the cedar just to the right side of that integrated so that it isn't much bigger than the Parker turquoise sign as far as visual looks and we have some of the branding elements so that would still be attractive and then we have a way to do the electrical and we're not interfering with the arches. At least that's, after listening to you today, I think that might be a reasonable solution where instead of having them go full blown and trying to go all the way to the ground and try to incorporate some sort of half arch, I think that would be hard because I don't know what these materials, I've only seen them, I've never really touched them or felt them. My guess is the cedar siding would be very hard to bowl and I think the metal, those citadel panels are also metal so I don't think they would be, I mean, I'm gonna have the architect look at it and come up with some, I'm gonna tell him what we talked about today and show him the building and say here's where the door ends, that we've got half an arch there, how do we compliment that without minimizing our neighbors and see what his thoughts are, but my thoughts are, simpler is easier. I heard Steve say that. I agree, yeah. And we understand you have a budget to work with and to... Yes, my wife said, why don't we just put the sign up like Steve said? Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, and maybe there's some pieces like you said that are the backdrop pieces that get those elements in there. Great, I think that's all. You're certainly hearing what we're saying. It sounds as if moving forward, you'll be looking at design elements then we can review in more detail. Any additional discussion or comments from the board? Otherwise, Steve, if you could run us through the roll on the motion to, it was to table for a future meeting. Joe Clark. Aye. Marcus Savaglio. Aye. Jerry Jones. Aye. Richard Lindy. Aye. Charlie Wig. Charlie Wig. We're made a motion to table the Verlo request, Charlie. No, I heard it all. I said aye. Okay, thank you. Yep, thank you. All right, that passes then. Thank you very much. Thank you guys. Tim, we'll look forward to seeing you on that. And then we'll see you tomorrow too. We'll see you tomorrow. Okay, so that's good. Awesome, thank you guys. Looks as if our next meeting is scheduled for the 12th. And based on tonight's meeting, we'll definitely be having one on that night. Excellent. If there are no other comments or concerns from the board, I'd entertain a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. And voice vote on that, all in favor. Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? No one is opposing to adjourning. So we are adjourned. Thank you all very much. Thanks, everybody. Bye-bye.


I want to briefly introduce the speakers for the afternoon. The first speaker is here as a speaker for the very first time. He is also the youngest speaker that we ever had. Keir Martland. He already published a book when he was 16. A very nice book of essays on libertarianism. And he has now been admitted to Cambridge University to study history. And he is the discovery of Sean Gabb, who has been a regular speaker here, I think for maybe 10 times out of 11, maybe he missed one single meeting. And Sean Gabb is the head of the Libertarian Alliance in Britain. He is an accomplished novelist of historical novels. He has written books on cultural criticism, on sociology. He is a lawyer, a linguist. Very, very many publications of his. And the third speaker will be Daniel Model. He is also a regular guest here, but this time will be the first appearance as a speaker. Daniel Model is an entrepreneur in Switzerland, the owner of a packaging company that has plants in Switzerland, in Germany, in Poland, and in Slovakia, I believe. And with this, the first speaker, Keir Martland.


And we're back with the breakfast and plus TV Africa open up on Kataria is on standby He joins us this morning as we look at the front pages of a national dailies We call it off the press open the ball. It's good to have you join us. Good morning Well, let's quickly take a look at the nation newspaper and find out what's making it this morning on the nation 2023 g5 governors allies to sustain anti-autical moves Agriph PDP governors chieftain mitz and legos wiki makinday otom ikpeazu insist on iusak These the riders you have underneath the boat caption on the nation newspaper And you also find interest rate hike Likely a cbn reviews indicators You also have all the quarters who are asking for the resignation of You know the cbn governor and what a view why we are backing obi by ohanese He symbolizes hope equity assembly balls or your tala wins world bank award on expenditure efficiency cleric abducted in quara Well, uh, that's it. 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We We just turn our attention to open up or in kataria who joins us this morning on off the press on the breakfast Open up boys. Good to have you join us In fact later once more messy and good morning Nigeria Quickly let's share your thoughts on the g5 governors and the fact that they've actually formed an uh, you know A group for they call it the integrity group And this is ahead of the 2023 elections looking at the consent of you know, this g5 this governors have come together saying You can't have the president or president shall flag bear and also the chairman of a party coming from the same region Bested at the last convention And are you it's now more or less like I'm trying to look for a word for it But it still goes so to speak simply because What is then again the super to state governor of the hero of the day the hero of the convention Was taken down for a tip and that's in good words in kataria. There's a h after the a In kataria. There's a h after the a So that is just why we take in some sense, you know, it's frenetic and It will stop at nothing the issue of removing are you and over You cannot let it stop the dictatorship probably he thinks that reverse the PDT is just like reverse it where he wakes up in the morning. That's like you doing Other 22 and other 23 I will issue an order that must be obeyed. You know, this is in terms of a political day that must be watched That must be there The issue is simple for me. You know, rather than listening No matter what you say, I mean two wrongs Cannot make a miracle No matter what you say If you have to if I you must go there are procedural obligations You just have to follow those procedural obligations A breach of it Is equal to that amount to what is going on what you claim your fight to right now that will go just And unless you say you set aside The constitution of the Are you going to set aside the constitution of the dignity just because of five persons If the PDT made up of those five persons The are you you said to go is even one of the founding members of the PDT You claim you have sustained the PDT All you did was to refute the kindness the PDT did You are a local government chairman on the platform of PDT You were a chief of staff on the platform of PDT You were a minister on the platform of PDT a governor on the platform of PDT As a general local government chairman you did not contribute a government to the PDT PDT admitted you made the local government chairman Chief of staff you have no contribution to the PDT Minister you have no contribution to the PDT You only started maintaining the PDT as a governor and for socialist reasons Not that you're maintaining the party because you love the party You just spend so much money just because of your presidential ambition And today you have somebody who himself was the member of the one of the founding members of the party That's the idea himself you're talking about and you say you sustained the party You're only contributing in fact you have not given back to the party half of what the party has given to you You say you must go. Yes, okay. No problem. Are you must go? Even they are completely disagreeing with that Now why do I disagree with that? First and foremost, are you elected before at Chiquabuwaka? Are you elected as the candidate of the chairman of Chiquabuwaka? You knew you were there. Why did you go ahead to vote for Chiquabuwaka? If they had voted for Chiquabuwaka before, you would have said no Why will you bring the chairman or all the presidential candidates? If you want a you to go, one, get a position of the president or two After the election, you cannot come up with the fact of oh no You cannot have the national chairman and the president from the same group Don't forget about your address. The same thing happened You see how the national chairman and the president from the same group So why is this a major problem? You are saying this is like a black screen You are saying are you must go, knowing too well that it is almost impossible So you call up with an impossible demand Knowing too well that you cannot be met Are you not happy on that? So the issue of are you must go, it's a special reason It's a sub-tourist, it is not a genuine reason That is, the problem is that are you, if are you lose There is going to be so complex in that crisis in the TV Because if are you lose, then the man who tells you not to vote for you If you are going to come from that, from that, are you say June, which is still going to be the norm? What happened? You say a southern home was called, how would a southern home come? How? A convention must be, even if you talk about doctrine of necessity Is it the right time to talk about doctrine of necessity? Is it an opportunity to talk about doctrine of necessity? It's an opportunity to talk about doctrine of necessity You can't talk about doctrine of necessity at this point in time So it's a rational and explicable Rational and explicable, especially are you must do The truth is, and look at what he's doing You know he wanted, or he has been wanted That without him, the PDP cannot leave Now he has gone to let us endorse the ATC, let us say Governor Every day, I'll tell you whenever I have the opportunity He takes on a trick to slit at me Every day, what does he do? He makes a trick in the fact And at the same time, you're saying, oh, you want, you're ready You're open for discussion, you're open for negotiation Who is willing to? His words are purposely across to his actions You're saying something else, you're being something else Look at the damage you probably would have caused If you had that gravity task to cause it to come If you had that waste to cause it to come Look at the damage you had to cause You're coming here, you're a thief You say, you're the criminal, you're the thief Oh, he should sue you You say, oh, I think we went to which state to say Oh, some of the thieves, you're welcome from one zone You say, I think we should sort of hold it And blame that within the party And not about this private thing, I think So there's been one check in the party Just because of yourself is not the job Because this has nothing to do with equity, fairness, and justice That argument of equity, fairness, and justice And there's always an essence of written approach of what it is It is completely ridiculous Because of equity Talking of equity, it's another You first of which are himself in places of need He took over from a nation where equity, fairness, and justice He took over from a nation So what are we talking about equity, fairness, and justice? You can't afford it or you can't afford it I don't know what the PDPs do Why they have no respect for them from the party Nobody in this world is indispensable No human being Not to be your parents are indispensable Not to be your kids are indispensable So human being is in this world The party does not just stand in front of the party And let the heaven store He's already playing like a party No amount of reconciliation will let you support the party That is the truth about it And there will be no place of spiritual between which you are not equal So what is the whole essence of reconciliation and reconciliation? It's all bulk up What do I say to this one? That they are still from the party right now I want the party to go If he loses, he loses If he wins, he wins Because they need to be reconciled today I beg you There cannot be any genuine work Commitment from waste of media And the integrity group There cannot be There cannot be Okay Because there is so much buy So much beat on it Treat me because you work at the convention That's all So what are the words that the government buy because of them? The money that they do not see party That's what they do Look at the people that read it But you know what, open up on Kataria Some people The statement that you just made about or made about Him being involved in anti-party activities Some people are saying that it's not necessarily an anti-party activity Because he's actually not rightly voted for or done anything country It's a mere association And that's what it is Which everyone has a right to Let's not No, no, no, no, no, no Forget Please, please, please We don't end here in France Let's say things in the media Messi You're looking for a plus in me I come to you Or you go ahead At the start You go ahead To say if you win You're messing Public dissemination To get to the standard order Go to AIT What have you done? Or you go ahead to say For this reason Excuse me I endorse channel television What have you done? What have you done? How have you done explaining? We are very well educated So who is going to speak? We are what have you done?  That is anti-party How do you describe anti-party? That is anti-party, plain anti-party Anti-party not sure That's not the way Anti-party People are expelled from a party When they even show a peaceful day anti-party Not to talk about what you're bragging about Hopefully With that compulsion Why have to plan to party? So why has a party not taken action? Because we know that I'm having a disappointment in the lives of a people Are you out of code? And how is disappointed in that? You don't have that compulsion They're not giving me that cause To say yes They can't take decisions as leaders What is your fear? We're not going to let us about you The answer is going to do a bill of logistics What is your fear? What is your fear? Then you're going to add your star one or two other persons to that bill What is it? What is it? What is it? This major one This big cancer You're not You've not cured the cancer in your system You're going to treat malaria And what do you have to reason?  That people And you're a city governor But But You think they have not done You've not been giving back to the party That's the same of what you did for me You've never been about the What is it? Put a ban on the Put a ban on the Put a ban on the Put a ban on the Put a ban on the Put a ban on the Put a ban on the Put a ban on the Put a ban on the So what what happens to You know the party Every system should have a mechanism To correct itself So I'm sure that that's not also different from the party That's the people's democratic party If he's acting contrary It's a certain party That governs the party The system should purge itself Of such action Certain places are just residences Where I've got You know when a man is shopping For a massive city That's told me the So that it's a problem You believe that you Must be expected The market will be getting worse And so what you say Must be done That is the truth And it's the most thing I saw the process of the most said so now Before the convention They said I must win Even in church Maybe you said Don't under fire your father Whatever you said So you've got a spinach I must win Oh the pastor said You didn't know I'm not win Trust your person You cannot pacify that person If the person has a mind set You cannot pacify that person There's no person And that is the problem Otherwise it cannot be resolved What cannot be resolved It cannot be In reverse state He threatened That whoever goes ahead To talk about That was before the political community met The government should try this To talk about the Who will it make as governor That person will be sacked What do you do How do you call that No I'm just saying that here There isn't nothing of election This one means you chose And that is why you are certain persons In Abuja today Those besides the treacherous in Abuja today You chose It doesn't necessarily It doesn't really An election So what is good for the good Is even good for the governor But the good are not good There are no things It's not an election This one you chose And your few say It's not much This is the integrity What integrity my food How many of you don't know There are paid salaries How many of you God knows there I run in your state To the satisfaction of the Of the entities How many of them there If you ask my aunt If you ask my brother By his name is I'm not in your state But when I used to be The chief of staff What are your states Seven years old Is a disgrace Seven so many days Is a disgrace This Why did the women left right And say that Even both women Are chief of staff For that to be Women left right And said let me Women left And dropped it Don't drop it on me Okay No, I look at the states Wow No, if you look at the state What's that about In the whole country yet Swine over I'm nice on that If I am a weekend It's not going to be good Let's move away from that Subject Open up on Qatar Let's move away from that The DailySat newspaper Talks about insecurity And very interesting is that The military gets another To tame terrorists Before the elections Do we Do you think that the military Needs to get an order To act Do you need that the police Needs to get an order Before they take action Before they act According to the Peppers and reasons They were created for The military doesn't need To get a murder No, no No, it has to get a murder Because The modus operandi Of the military's pilot From the police They did not say the police They did not say it's safe With the community So they did There is a chain of command It comes from the military For example, something happened The military cannot just move me Except at the behest of the Suppressors Through the various channels The military cannot just move So that cannot just be the bias All I can do Who are constitutionally Bested with the powers To maintain law and order The military is actually A standard address Except when invited Uh When in case of insurrection Never the less These are just mere rhetorics You know If you talk of Military deaths and other They go the first time You get in another Guarani has always been another Always For one The others are going to Flouted or trivialized That is the problem And the others are flouted Or trivialized Which the knowledge of Guarani And which infinity Not in a dream Done Just like the former IG He was in the museum But I'm using that as an example The former IGP that I sent To Bono That never went to Bono But he got to Bono and let's send And months after this President went The only thing he told That the IG never slept In Bono for one night He said he was going to What a kind of wine And that was the end of it Look at the former service chief The former service chief We are Entitled by their successors Including the NSA Who said All the money They could not account for All the money they need For the purchase of Handsome and Ministers There was nothing To justify That allocation What happened? They were rewarded With an patriarchal appointment In order to insulate them From the The public criticisms Of participation Of whatever Only the president knows why And that's why people are saying He is complicit So The military When he says Get out It's not the first time The military is getting an order Nigerians are no longer Insulated in military order In order Nigerians are insulated in action So what you have is High blood pressure Decisive violence And an energy of concrete performance That is the problem That is what Nigerians are talking About So don't come and sound with him But let me commend The president's chief of general staff The prime minister of general staff Modernized jenis They may not try Compared to speed assessors The prime ministers Have this much failure Who could disgrace to the army A chief of army staff would tell him It would take 20 years To contain insolence in this country Why would it take him 40 years? When he is told about the whole money allocated As you say The NSO said it The senator said it When they said that the president Is going to show for the money I will get Nigerians are the same as him You stole the money That's the truth So how does it last? And if you hear that About the last 20 years They are right if you tell them That you are technically Psychologically Psychologically defeated The decision Who are you to see this? Who are you to see this? So I will not be trusted in the order When trusted you resolve They are not other We are sitting tired of other Every time I give it other Other than this Other than that Rob is absolutely nonsense Think Trump We want action And when we get the action You don't need to say it We will see it with our eyes That things are worse So but how then do we explain Why the military still has to get another You say it's fine That they need to get another Because of the chain of command Why are you involved? I have an issue I have an issue Why are we involved? Why are we involving the military In civil issue? That's my question If you say that They are supposed to protect And maintain their integrity And then we have the police Whose function is to maintain You know peace and order entirely I got your Let me put I got your answer And your question The police force Have been overwhelmed First and foremost That the police is underfunded There is death of personnel When I mean death I got the ROTH Of personnel And so on So the police was You know the police started suffering All that they said Why this is what you must admit to people Because under Sergari Yes Under Sergari You are surprised You have probably not gone there And that's Under that I don't know Let's go ahead Under Sergari So that they will see what the IDP Now Sergari But I'm not there for some For example I think this is also a person that Won't escape the police They said We arrested the police For becoming a threat To the military He came in and kicked out the police force In 1984 That was what he left And see then the police force has been stopped Those who have gone there Will tell you this They will arrest the police force See then the police force has been stopped So the police How do I put it Doesn't have Not that they made the personnel Are not there Are not qualified But you need the necessary tools To contain the situation The police hasn't They said they are talking about The footmen didn't do the police force So you have to bring in the army Even the police force permits it That's why in case of insurrection You can bring in the army There is no problem with that The most important thing is Concerning the situation That's what matters But even the army you're bringing in Is not sincere We brought the situation where The captain was arrested He was implicated Those who were arrested Implicated the captain was What has happened That was the end of the story It was a way to celebrate this Every day we hear of Soldiers getting involved Just to reach the boat Some soldiers are also arrested So it's not a blessing Now No problem You have bad edge That would be the argument But if the head is rotten The body would be rotten Yes you have bad edge in the port In the port The saddest tips What about the monies are looking at What happened to the monies So you are not talking about bad edge You are talking about saddest tips That are the bad edge I'm talking about the ones that are gone I'm not talking about saddest tips The ones that are gone These ones are trying I'm not telling them They are trying Open the bar So the question is Is it that we're Oblivion of the fact that You know the Nigerian police Or the police force is overwhelmed Is it that the Nigerian Our leaders don't understand the dynamics Because How do you explain the rationale That every other time You have a body that's saddled With the responsibility of ensuring Protection of life and property In a civil dispensation That's why they were created And there's also a budgetary allocation Every other time You know to the police So is it that we're Oblivion of the fact that they're overwhelmed What exactly is the issue here What are we dealing with Talking about the police What I just explained to you It is one form that was treated with medicine Funding they had issues with funding They had issues with personnel And when you don't have the equipment To combat the terrorist How do you grab out of it It's going to be It's going to be a threat in the future Because these terrorists This is what they call Like they used to equip themselves They buy certain different weapons To prosecute their illegal trade Now you have these policemen That are ill-affected And they don't have the medical strength So my question is Is it that we're not in the know Of all of the challenges Of the police force in Nigeria No, they have come out to say so But the truth is The Iraqi will not do so Because it is empty their laws The IGP cannot come up to criticize the president But retired IGPs have done so Arrasa said it Arrasa Arrasa said it They made man a world train But they don't have the equipment To prosecute And the medical strength To lax the terrorists Otherwise We're not in an elitist country Go on peacekeeping missiles They sell They go back as the best So you have to tell the pressure What is the problem we need In safety You have to incentivize them And how do you do that If a person dies How do you do it The law system should be great The solution will not be abandoned It is going there Okay There was a man Who went to pay ransom And came out and said There are three states Three states The first one that I'm talking about So that's a police The first one will tell you We have been ordered to collect some money So give us S amount It goes all over the news The second one will tell you They did not give up to it They just sent us here to die Without any equipment So let me collect what I have to collect We don't So this is the idea In public domain Even if the police say The commitment is not there That's the truth Because One of these money that we use They have got this Spend all the money Use the money to federal line their pockets And send the truth To go and die like rats At that point you must have compromise Whether you like it or not There has to be There will be compromise Because if they know That the state didn't die today The state will not be bothered If you let it be discussed Only the generalist will Contemporize it For a day or two And that is the end A civilized man like a man That's all You see the president Going to the house of whoever is There Whoever is Was killed He president himself That is the case here We have the situation where The people of Alistar died In the plane crash And the next weekend They were having a wedding The president was attending a wedding Who I really want to feel at home For such a country What? Mr. Alistar And the president was not telling The only other minister He was telling the state He didn't want anybody to be People have died here He had turned out of the country So state should live a life Use less money than that No more money than opportunity To this country Tell me one economic benefit you have For the last seven years That you see Mr. President Having good plans Tell me one economic benefit What day is the situation Is getting worse But just before You know we call it a wrap on Off the press this morning I'd like to show you thoughts on The discovery of Oil in Bauchi and Gumbay And the fact that There might just be You know exploration Of this product Should we still be excited? I mean you're excited That we're discovering And we probably might just be You know Venturing into exploration of oil In this state A little bit Time go for that God bless them Early still our mainstay A little bit reduced to diversified God bless the result of The life of the leadership Defundance, intellectual And whatever it is It will get to diversified So we still depend on oil So if you find oil And it's going to add to Our What's it called GDP It's going to also boost our Reserves our It's okay I have no problem with that Let them go ahead with it It's not a matter of finding Whenever we have a good president We are going to diversify And don't forget that If I talk now You say I'm criticizing this government so much There isn't a morass of leadership back here And so we live in a country Where we minimize the maximum And maximize the minimum That is what's going on Otherwise This shouldn't have married their nation But we find ourselves Let us wait to make a demand That is not what we can do about it Let's wait to make a demand They find out Why they are saying this Is that Niger guys that just remember That they are not the only ones To sustain the economy That's why they are saying So in other If you push out In other words They are telling the world Open up You're saying that the oil This oil well does not exist Are you saying that There's no oil really Or is this just a statement Have you seen it Have you seen it Have you seen it We have no seen it They are saying thank God They said they found You have you seen it They said they found Thank God they found Look the last week now They just had a solution on that There are They can also build refineries there Look they just want to tell us that This is not really Niger guys That's what they are trying to do This is not really Niger guys But until you start exploring Until you start exporting It is still Niger guys Because right now that oil That you say you found in that area Is not producing anything So it's still Niger guys But what difference does it make When we're not even able to refine our You know crude We still have to That's what I'm telling you That we No that's what I'm telling you Now you will come up with Niger guys About you or whatever We'll also get Look at the law that come up now The PRD The PRA Look at it Even if the price is Passing through your house You are entitled to Uh uh uh Some uh Ruralities and so on That is what I do The law is helped by the Nigerians That whatever the style Benefits from it Benefits from This is as simple as that This is as simple as that And you see this has a lot of bad leadership And that's why people keep talking about My zone, my zone, my zone Because of the monastic That has changed discrimination Of the practice in this country That's what I'm telling you About you people People are talking about This You have Jubility that you have All in Bouncing Maybe even your refineries Are not working They are not working But they are there You become Conduit Pipes Every day you pay salarites Every year you pay salarites You say You maintain But you find it Are not working You said you come on board And in less than a minute Months you have to Is that a refinery You finally start working What has happened Is a conduit pipe You find it Is a conduit pipes Nothing is going on You are ready to go in This is You are ready to throw a lot Of the administration So you are ready to live in Nothing can happen to the refineries You have to advertise it Look at the privatisation law Because many streets Are practically inside of the refineries Who is feeling who I'm going to come with permission tonight Well, thank you so much Uppinabong Kataria For being part of The breakfast this morning Off the press To be precise We appreciate your time And we look forward to sharing More of your thoughts As we progress Thank you All right then Well, that's it We take a break and when we return We'll be looking at a first major conversation Please stay with us


Religious extremism is a global issue that raises questions and tensions in many countries. In Nigeria, there is a known fact that religion has been abused in many ways to search the interest of some groups of people who consider themselves as custodians and defenders of religious values and faith. Apparently, the trend of violence in Nigeria is a sign of the need for thorough research and study about religions in tertiary institutions including universities, polytechnics, and colleges of education. Now, extremists use religion as a shield, either for political or economic agenda, and manipulate their gullible followers in order to impose their ideology on them. Now, the reality of this in Nigeria is a challenge to tertiary education to search for a lasting solution that will enable Nigerians overcome the problem and focus on the economic, social, and genuine religious progress. Now most of them students in the northwest city of Sokote on Thursday stoned a Christian student of Shilhu Shagari College of Education to death and burnt her corpse after accusing her of blasphemy against the prophet, Muhammad. Well, we are now being joined by a human rights lawyer, Justice Urwe Buu, and of course we'll try and get a technology to just do justice on all of that. So, incidentally, we have Justice joining us. Good morning to you, Justice Urwe Buu. Good morning, and once more, it is my pleasure. Yes. So, Justice, let's just dive into it. Religious extremism is not a new concept in Nigeria. Over time, students have actually been indoctrinated and they have lost the essence of which they went to school for in the first instance, and they tend to do things contrary to what they were supposed to do in the first place. Let's talk about this issue of blasphemy now in Nigeria. Specifically, what does the law say concerning it? Well, when you talk about blasphemy, is there any law in Nigeria that talks about blasphemy against any religion or any belief or whatever you think it is, your personal issue or that is not sustained? It's unfortunate that in this country the government is still trying to deny about some of the... I still blame the government. I still blame the assembly for some of these problems that have happened. Now, the constitution, as it is, the Nigeria Consulate has amended, especially stated that no state shall adopt any religion at its own religion. What are we saying? Why are these religious problems here and there, and the government is keeping quiet? When people have fractured the provision of the constitution, it is certainly in this country that people try to adopt one particular religion from states as their particular religion. And the government is not doing anything about this. That is why we have a government in the center, which is in Abu Dhabi. That's to make sure that you overseas for some of these things and make sure that the constitution is implemented, simplicity, to letter. So the problem is that because such things have been happening every time and nobody is doing anything, and that is why it will continue happening. It is super valid. Okay, but how then do we now explain this part of the constitution or the fact that the constitution provides a customary or that's a customary system or a secular system? And in that secular system, it incorporates the sharia law. That's what it is. And the customary system prohibits blasphemy by section 204 of the Niger's criminal code. And that section is titled or entitled, insult to religion. How do we explain this part of it? Now, what I was trying to explain, you talked about insult to religion. Okay, but the issue is that the constitution provides that nobody, and that is fundamental human rights to anybody's life, itself by a means, asserted by the law. And that is why we have freedom of religion. By implication, you are right and have every right to belong to any religion of your choice. And when you believe in any religion of your choice, it does not mean that you have to interfere with the religion of another person. Who believes in any other thing? We are talking about religion, religion. Is it because what of people that do not believe in anything? There are people that do not believe in Jesus Christ, there are people that do not believe in Mohamed, there are people that do not believe in anything. And, moreover, if it's, I have the idea, it can't even go through the Quran. I don't think there's any way that the Quran says that you should kill somebody. And when each genu, Islamic scholars and genu, they would tell me that Islam is not a religion of peace. So, where is all these things coming from? That's the question we're asking ourselves, and that's what the government should be looking at. So, it's an issue of hypnotizing people. Some people hypnotizing people, some people using people for, they have selfish interests and all the rest.  But so, let's get back to the recent happening. I mean, the one that happened in Sokoto. How would you describe that in student of a student that was killed? What would you say this is, do you think it's a case of blasphemy here? Well, it's just the case of, you know, mother. Whatever the case may be. Well, I saw that I'm concerned it is barbaric. Because to me, it is a case of murder, because that action is barbaric. Killing in any way that will not conform with the legal process is barbaric and should be condemned in any part of the country, whether in the north, whether in the west, whether in the east, whether everywhere, is to be condemned in the first place. Even if somebody is said to have committed an offense, the Constitution provides that an accused person is present innocent on the proven guilty. And not guilty by the accuser or by people, but the lawsuit by a court of competent jurisdiction. So as you mean to somebody committed an offense, you do not take the person to court, you do not take the legal process and you just go and kill the person. It is murder. There's no other definition you can give to it or no other justification aside from murder. Because you did not hear me tell you. This is even a law that works for a traditional killing. When we even fight with the police, with the military, with the anti-gram law agents and all the rest, about against a traditional killing, not to talk of human beings, who are not even security agents. So what are we saying? They are not justifications. It is purely murder. All right, just Barista Umig, but just how far do you think this investigation would go? Because the police have come out to say that two people have been arrested. But we saw different reactions and counter reactions followed this particular development. For instance, the former vice president condemned the attack and he was quick to also remove the post on Facebook and Twitter just because he was threatened about his political ambition. Just how far would this case go? Will it see the logical conclusion? Well, I wouldn't know that. That's why I say that the responsibility is saddened is ultimately that should be carried on by the police, the DSS, the security agencies in Nigeria with the help of the executive. But if the executive that perceives that appoint these people and make sure that they do their duty before it will not definitely or eventually go to court for wanting or the other. It's unfortunate that in Nigeria, not only this thing that happened in Sokoto it's happening in other parts of the country. It's happening in the east, it's happening in the north, it's happening in the west. So whenever such thing like this or killings happen, and the police always come and say they're investigating social people who have been arrested at the end of the day, nobody will hear anything about it. And that is why it's most of the people calling for justice. Justice for this, justice for this, justice for that. So when we go from here, it's not enough to say don't you have an arrest. But the truth is this, if you want killings to stop in the country, I am using the word killing, not making much emphasis to this, because this kind of thing, killings are the strategic killings that have been happening all over the country. Not only this, I know what I'm saying and you will also understand what I'm trying to say. Sure, but the issue here is this, when self-incidence occurred, what is the police doing about it? Do we play politics with it or they're about? So if there are people anywhere that are to or that are culpable, they should be arrested and persecuted and made to face the law. And the moment you do it, it will stop as a lesson as a deterrent to other people. There's no to it about it. All right, we have the countrymen in Keduna State, Reverend Joseph Hayab joining this conversation. Good morning to you, Reverend Hayab. Good morning to you. All right, let's talk about religious intolerance, religious extremism, if you may, because it's as though a lot of people feel that they need to fight God's battle for him. Would you say that religion in Nigeria has actually brought us more harm than good? Look here, look here. The truth is that religion has helped to stop marches in Nigeria from lynching their leaders. But unfortunately, the larger percentage of those who practice religion in Nigeria are ignorant. And due to ignorance, you see this kind of high level of intolerance displayed every day. It happened once or twice at many times, but no action also from government to show that we cannot allow this. How can citizens take the law into their hands at the slightest misunderstanding hiding on their religion? And leaders have not called such people to order or bring such perpetrators to justice. That's why they continue to do it. This is the appeal people are facing in modern Nigeria, especially Christians. This case may be true. When we have 1001 stories that we are never true and these people were killed and nothing happened. That's why if you even go out on the street now and ask many, they will assume this is also another propaganda, right? It's possible that it is true. It's not that because justice has never been done. That's why this even continues to happen.   So if such thing happened, that Imam should also be arrested because it was his preaching that led to this. Okay, but in the course of your response to this question, you have talked about another propaganda. What does that mean in this context? To me, it could be just not say a propaganda or just a blackmail to set you to court with enemies. But this case may be true. I'm only saying that we have had situations like this.  So we've had such cases within Northern Nigeria and government has never investigated it. If this is really blasphemy the Prophet, why don't they just add the police to arrest her?  How many of them in Nigeria are talking bad things about Jira? How many of them in Nigeria because we want to show we love Jira? Okay, but in this case, according to the reports that we have that's been made public, is the fact that she had requested that in the WhatsApp group that they belong, there should be restriction of religious posts. They're not a particular religion. She talked about posting religious issues in the WhatsApp group. That's the report that we have. But how do we solve this problem now? Because this religious extremism continues every other time. I mean, in a case we know that the constitution, whether or not we want to agree with that, has incorporated the Shari'alu and of course blasphemy is a crime. So in this case where you were supposed to have the government taking action against all sort of this crime and people are taking action, well, how can we solve this problem of people taking the laws into their hands? Some of the videos that are flying in the case that we can see the cases of those who killed the border, sorry. So if those who killed the border can be traced, government should go after them, arrest them and investigate this deeply, prosecute them and let them serve as a deterrent to others whom they think they would do it. There should be an end to this kind of evil going on in our country.  We cannot be as lawless, can see. And even when you read some of the statements that are coming, you're all coming without even this sense of reason to show that this evil is too much. So we're just making statements to build ourselves but we're not only taking concrete words but we're sure that we will not allow this evil to continue.  Let's talk about waste ford. Because as it is right now, there seem to be a bit of unrest around them, so-called to state with them, the so-ten and can and, of course, government calling for calm. You know, just what do we need to do to ensure that Muslims feel safe in so-called to as well as in question? So we don't have a beat of a reprisal attack. Justus, are you still there? We have a system, especially in the North, where the only major and only people that can come to this situation down is the religious leaders over there. And then when you have religious leaders that are proactive, that are sincere, that embrace peace, that are tolerant to every other person and every other religion that any other person believes in, all these things will stop. They're not worried about it. And also, the government must rise up, you can't fear of people to do the needful. There's a lot of killings in this country where there's insecurity everywhere and adding this kind of situation to our problem is not acceptable at all. We shouldn't continue this way. We're looking for ways to cope and unravel the problem, the menace we have in the country and this one is coming up again. So what do we say? What do we do? I think the government must rise up, call the religious leaders to order, call them for a meeting and talk to them and give them a mandate For any crime, nobody has the right to take another person's life without the permission of the cops. The only body, saddled with responsibility of prosecuting people, finding them guilty for one, a late offense or the other, is the law courts. Even in Sharia, you're talking about the Sharia law, the Sharia courts. So if they felt that I was filming against the young people, why didn't they take out the cops? So I mean, all these things should stop. Let's also bring in Reverend Yahaa. Let's bring in the Reverend now. Okay, I understand we do not have him back, but I'll just stay with justice now. Now, we also have an incident that happened in 2016, July the 9th, where you have Pastor Eunice Elisha that was killed at the time, beheaded for preaching the gospel in the FCT. And nothing really was done. Fast forward, there was also another incident of a lady who was killed, Bridget by the name, for also in Kanu, and nothing was done. She was beheaded. Do you also see this case as another case that would go unpunished? Well, this one happened in Amunja, this one happened in Kanu, and this one now happened in Sokoto. Well, they are of different jurisdiction. Let me put it that way. And I know that the team has everything officers here, they are all different people. So now it depends on the manner and the kind of person and integrity of the person and the will of the person who is piloting the affairs of that state to come up and handle the situation. That is what I have to say, because in as much as they are different states, but it's still the same country, it's still the same nation, there is a central government at the center that is also supposed to take charge of some of this and what we have is Nigerian police. For now, we don't have any state police. So Nigerian police is one everywhere. So I expect that things will not continue happening the same way it is happening. Because if you keep on happening the same way and nothing is done, if you keep on happening. So let us see what will happen in Sokoto state with this kind of case now, to see whether it can be stopped to some extent. All right, let's bring in Anislamic and cleric to join the conversation. We have Abdul Brahman, Adangba. Thanks for joining us on the breakfast. Good morning to you. Good morning. How are you doing today? We are doing well, glad to have you again. So let's talk about this issue that happened just yesterday in Sokoto state, specifically. What does Islam say about blasphemy and the students, did they do right in any way according to religion to take laws into their own hands? Yeah, it's quite unfortunate that it happened that way. One new religion calls for instant justice. Anytime, any day there is an incident it must be verified, prosecuted, before actions are taken. The jungle justice is not allowed even in Islam. So it's quite unfortunate and maybe has lost a life. But I want to state here that, are you with me? Yeah, go ahead, we can hear you, yes. Yeah, it's very clear now that what happened is the most situation. Nobody would be apprehended and taken to justice because they would say it's a mob action. The baby has lost her life. But I want to clarify and warn here that when you are dealing with people, you are dealing with people you are dealing with. You get in the first instance, most of them will receive anything that's famous about the process of the Quran in our speech. So actually it's on our speech is very, very, very provoking to be put to those people there because even in Islam we are talking about what is a speech that you should not take laws into your hands and act according to how your wishes are then they have done it now.  Even if they have prosecuted the baby, it will have been positively good for them because it will be known to the world that this is what Islam and most of them will not play with. So then doing what they did is just barbaric and I'm not the supporter of that. So going forward, now how do we begin to ensure resolution of all of this? How do we ensure closure, justice to the family of the deceased girl and of course some residents around Sokoto State just in the school has been closed right now? You see, my own thinking, please. We have to comment, the one more thing with people that they apprehend, that's not my word, number two, we have to learn to respect our different differences. We have differences. We have the way everybody thinks. Even the Muslims to the Christians, the Christians to the Muslims, when we don't call this terror, the lady Muslims have done it in the positive time. So, but anyway, in the way it is now, the Nairaq must now stand up and address issues that have to do like this because if other parties stood up to say they want to start fighting, then it will not give anyone about anything because we are going to be facing a peaceful protest and lots of harmony amongst us. So, if we want to give justice to what happened, the police should deal with the people that they apprehend, let the person that did that thing, we brought a book, that's number one, then let this government institute a committee that's going to sit and address issues that did this to our people. It is not good at all. I am not very happy about this issue. Very sad. All right, thank you so much, Abdul Rahman Ademba and of course, also a very big thank you too to Justice Urebu Human Rights Lawyer. Thank you, Justice. I didn't get that. No, I was just saying thank you for all of your thoughts today. I do appreciate the time and the insights that you have shared so far. I'm afraid all over the world, we just cover indifference. We will allow it to happen. There will all stand up and say we are crying to call me. But it happened in the first attempt. This is what we should have addressed before. I am afraid if the justice everybody wants to be done because I'm looking at these to join the committee that they will say if they want action. All right. Thanks for that interjections that you just made. Once again, thank you so much for your time. Justice Urebu Human Rights Lawyer, thank you so much as well. Thank you. And of course, we also must say a very big thank you to the Christian Association of Nigerian Chairman who joined us from Kaduna State, Natsum Rev. Joseph Hayab. Thank you so much gentlemen for all of the input on this particular sad and barbaric incident that happened in South Dakota State on Thursday night. It is still the breakfast in Plastic Africa. We'll take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll be giving you the latest update in the exciting world of sports. Do join us again.


Hi everyone, Joe for jazby's casebreaks.com coming at you with a quick little pack here, 2018 Panini Procedure Football, where we're giving away, at the end, with a different dice roll, five 2016 National Treasure Football spots. So that should be pretty nice. Big thanks to this group right here for getting into the action. Now we're going to do the break itself first with one dice roll and then we'll do the giveaways in a different dice roll at the end of the pack break. So we're going to do names and teams one and two, three times. One, two, and three. And then one and two, three times, four teams, two and three. So there are the teams right there, there's the second half of the list right here. No trade windows in these little filler packs, so let's print this out and let's just get to it. Now there's two packs over here. One of these are going to be for this break and the other one is going to be for the last one and that fills up the 2016 NT Football. So the next one, whichever it may be, is already on the site, so check it out on jaspyscasebreaks.com if you're watching live. Let's get it done and then we can rip open that 2016 NT Football. Right, so let's select a die and we'll go one, two, three, four, five, six on the dice roll and it's two. One, two, then this will save for break 14 and that is indeed the last one to unlock 2016 NT Football, leave that next to me right here. This is for the current break to give away five spots at the end. This is ZQ Elliott, Riley Ferguson, James Anthony Miller, nothing too crazy rookies wise here, but that's not the point, the whole point of this is hey, I get into that 2016 NT break. So I appreciate everybody here giving this a shot. I know it's only going to be the five out of the 32 that are going to get in, but nevertheless I appreciate everybody taking the risk. So let's roll it, let's randomize it, two and a five, seven times, good luck. One, two, three, four, five and two more, right, yep, six and seven, six and seventh and final time. So from six on down, my apologies, sorry Matthew, very close, no cigar though. I appreciate everybody giving this a shot and trying. Good news is that if you want to try again there is another pack that we got to do, so check that out on jazzy's casebreaks.com. Top five, very happy times for Tom, Michael, John, Tom and Tom, wow, three out of the five spots for Tom, there you go, that's how it rolls sometimes, sometimes zero spots, sometimes three out of the five spots. Thank you Tom, thank you everybody, I'm Joe, I'll see you next time for the next one, bye bye.


Hi so I am back with a comparison video. I like comparison videos. I like using a lot of products I might hear and it don't be working. Okay so I'm going to be comparing Miche Hydrating and Twisting Butter with the Melanin Long Lasting Definition. These are very very creamy stylers. However I find that especially with her that I require something that I require a little bit more hold. Okay so I'm going to be pairing both products with Extreme Wet Lime Gel. Only using a little bit. Now the thing with this gel is that it provides hold without the flakiness and the dryness that alcohol based, excuse the background, that alcohol based gels do. Okay so we're going to be doing a regular old twist out. Nothing fancy. My hair was washed two days ago. I put it in these goody stretchy bands to kind of allow it to stretch some but I know I'm gonna get quite a bit of shrinkage. Yeah let's just go ahead and get started. Now we're gonna we're gonna do a comparison on my hand here of both products. Now this is going to be the Miche and this is going to be Melanin. Now again this is Miche and this is Melanin. I know you guys really can't see that that well. Excuse me the Miche is a little bit more creamier as far as consistency goes. The Melanin product has a little bit more texture to it. It's still creamy but a little bit more texture. So we're gonna do the Miche on this side and then Melanin on this side. Alright you guys so I'm beginning to unravel my hair. I will be moisturizing my hair before applying this styler. Not going to reveal the leaving conditioner I'm using just to stay neutral and again because this is a comparison of the stylers themselves. So starting off with the Miche using quite a bit on a medium-sized section and then going on with the gel. So yeah I'm gonna try to make these as tight as possible. The twist as tight as possible to get super defined twist out and then we're gonna do hanging bento not towards the end. Again going in with a styler and a little bit of gel. A real quick that it's not a ball-spot girl. Yeah it's just how my hair is separated. Anyway again I prefer the Melanin haircare styler as a leaving conditioner just because the simple fact that I always have to pair it with a gel or another product for hold. So this is what my hair looks like set. I have about I would guess 20 to 25 twists. I did allow them to set for about two days adding a little bit more oil to my scalp and we're gonna come back and unravel. Alright you guys it's two days later. Can you tell the shrinkage? Can you see on the Miche side compared to the Melanin haircare and this is what it looks like unraveled. Look at the difference. Even the Miche side is a little bit more defined than the Melanin haircare side. So I'm going to start to unravel and separate. And yeah we're gonna see what the results are gonna be like. Hair here is the Miche side. See the definition yet the shrinkage. Here is the Melanin haircare side a little bit looser and a little bit longer. Honestly if you didn't know you couldn't tell that I used two different stylists. However there are some differences for the Miche. It did have some shrinkage but it was more defined and less frizzier. For those reasons alone I'm gonna have to go with the Miche side as opposed to the Melanin haircare okay. So definition for both on point. I had a little bit more shrinkage with God I forgot I had more shrinkage on this side. Right now it doesn't look like it but I yeah. It boils down to honestly is how long am I gonna get aware from which product am I gonna get the longest wear because it's getting a little bit more frizzier on this side. It will probably last a little bit longer on the Miche section. You can even see underneath here basically the ends the difference. If I turn to the side here even the back and then if I turn to the side over on this section. See the frizziness here. Now I did properly moisturize my hair with a leave-in conditioner that we ain't gonna name just to remain neutral but yeah this is what. Again definition is on point for both. I don't feel like I got extra shyness or anything. I honestly prefer the Melanin haircare as a leave-in because I always have to pair it with something. I've been using the Miche styler for a while. I don't necessarily have to pair it and honestly truth be told I probably didn't have to use the gel because but because I used the gel with the Melanin I wanted to make sure that I used it with this particular product also. So that is it everyone thank you so much for watching and thank you as always to all my subscribers. Take care. Bye


John Eade, president of Argus Research, the S&P 500, closing in on double-digit growth for the first half of 2017. Where do you see stocks going in the second half? Well, Scott, I think we're going to see them move higher into the second half for two or three reasons. I think the economy is going to be picking up from a very slow first quarter. The consumer's strong. I look for exporters to do well. I do think the Federal Reserve is probably going to raise interest rates at least once in the second half. But rates will still be historically low. Earnings, I think, are expected to grow around 10% or so into the second half of the year. So a good economy, good earnings, and relatively low interest rates should be a positive backdrop for stocks. All right. The top-performing sectors in the first half have been tech, health, and utilities. The worst-performing sectors have been energy and telecom. Do you expect those trends to continue in the second half? I think you might see some reversion to the mean, Scott, in the second half. Technology's done very well. I'm not going to say it's yet in a bubble, but it's moving in that direction. And I think the valuations are becoming a bit stretched. So I could see a bit of a pullback in tech. Whereas in energy, it's at a historically low level of the S&P 500. We look for oil prices to pick up as demand continues to grow. I think that's going to be a driver for energy stock performance in the second half. And that'll be one of the better-performing groups. So are there any changes that people should be making to their portfolios as we head into the second half, given all the themes we've just talked about? Well, we're still bullish on stocks compared to bonds. Even though stocks are trading at all-time highs, interest rates are still near all-time lows. So that valuation equation favors stocks. But we're deep into this bull market, Scott. And it's reasonable to think that we're closer to the end of the bull market than we are to the beginning. So investors may want to start to move to some more defensive areas. And going back to the tech stock comment, maybe sell off a bit of some of those winners and invest in something maybe a little bit more stable, still in equities, but maybe with some more dividends or dividend growth. Yeah, take some chips off the table for the tech sector. All right, Johnny, thanks so much for coming back with us. OK, thanks, Scott. I'm Scott Gamm, and you're watching The Street.