Okay, it's the one o'clock rock. You've been waiting to see John Carroll Republican candidate for the United States Senate the third time and Practice makes perfect, but John Carroll John Carroll and I knew each other as practicing lawyers way back when one time I took a Hawaiian Airlines plane and my goodness. He was in the cockpit flying the plane And then he was in the state house was it for a long time Jesus eight years he was in the state house and then he started running for Senate No, then I know why the why Senate. Yeah, yeah, the Hawaii State Senate. Yeah, yeah And gee what you know what a fantastic career and then you ran for governor a couple of times and now this is the third time You're running for the United States. Exactly trying to unseat Brian shots. Yes So what drives you John you really want to have a public life, don't you well not really I actually I'm responding to a Draft that had a friend of mine took me to a give a speech on the young Jones Act of the Visayan Community Council out there in Wahia and they I'm sorry in Waipahu and they had a draft John Carroll Set ups for signatures and 20 minutes after the speech They had four pages filled with these all Democrats saying you got a run for US Senate And I think draft when as soon as people understand the impact of the Jones Act Which I know most of the people don't even know They will vote for whoever's going to make that happen and I've been working on trying to get it passed since 1970 I'm not passed but eliminated. Yeah And that's a really important part of your platform, isn't it? It's the primary number one It is for hope for the state of Hawaii this Jones Act is primary and I have this You know 12 great-grandkids coming up and I'm looking at the future and I figure if I die Without doing what I am able to do then then I ought to be punished So I figure I will do it and I have had an aortic transplant just for your information And I feel like I'm about 30 years old which is very deceptive because of my looks don't show that but But anyway, I feel very comfortable doing it I feel it's fulfilling something that I've been trying to do for a long time is my last chance and every place I go I seem to get a very nice reception in spite of my looks and all of this. So, you know You are certainly wedded to the Jones Act issue and good for you because you're absolutely right about that We've had a number of shows about the Jones Act. We talked to Mike Hansen. You must know him Oh, absolutely all the time and and Kalita yakinah for that matter. Yep And what what what strikes me though is that you're the only candidate that I know of that's actually taking a position to try to You know accept Hawaii from the effects of the Jones Act Is there anybody else? I haven't heard that Charles de Jieu and And Ed Case both took took a crack at it with Resolutions resolutions when they're in the US House and both times I think in OE and that whole gang came down on them and they I know Ed Case lost his seat to Honobusa And I think she got about seven or eight hundred thousand dollars from A&B and Matt's and for that race And I'm not sure what happened with Charles, but I know he was in there for a short time and then gone So neither one of them were able to do this McCain has tried it and he hasn't done it But I think nobody's really made this the the case before the US Senate and the fact of it is it's an absolute Deliberate interference with interstate commerce. Could I just tell your audience what sure, please take a moment? Okay? Well the Jones Act essentially is a federal law that says that if a ship is not built man maintain owned and Flagged and in America or by Americans it cannot travel in interstate commerce so The net effect is if a ship wants to come in with Fertilizer from Korea or someplace like that and drop off a half of a load of Fertilizer or whatever it may be automobiles they can they can come here with no problem, but they cannot go to another state They've got to go to Mexico or Canada and then to another state and this it this law Affects Hawaii more than any other state it affects Alaska to some extent It's affected the east coast in the south coast of the United States when they wanted to bring in foreign ships to do Certain things after hurricanes, but for Hawaii. It's absolutely ridiculous and I prepared I should say a fellow named Alfred Zell who was a Professor at the air at the Army War College and he prepared this but this will show you The difference in the price amounts that we have to pay to live here And the most shocking thing if I can share this because I'm a retired veteran, you know veteran I'm able to shop in the PX in the commissary Oh, I didn't mention that you're a United States Air Force and US Army Korean War veteran, too Yes, anyway amazing for a man of 30 years of age So they say very few people have had 86 years to prepare for a new job, you know, so anyway but I went to the PX and To buy a half a gallon of milk And we used I get in the commissary I got there It was almost five with him was four dollars and ninety five cents for a half a gallon of milk I was in Oregon about well three weeks ago And I was just doing comparisons and a gallon of milk in Oregon Or it was about two dollars and ninety five cents a half a gallon of milk was a dollar eighty nine So a dollar eighty nine and that's five dollars in the PX I don't know what it costs it safe way But it's got to be somewhere around that amount and for us to have to pay that for milk That's not even fresh milk is absolutely absurd What's even more absurd is I'm driving in from Pearl City to go to work And we've got this huge billion dollar project going on and there's potholes and and practically trenches and Metal plates all the way across so you've got this almost like Third World Street next to this billion dollar project Now that is what I call an absurdity And that's the kind of thing that I would intend to change as your as your US senator Okay, well, okay, that's I'm glad we what other platforms whatever points on your platform Okay, well number one in the you as far as the US side of it that is a national We are you know, I was an operations officer office planner when I was in the military and I went to Air War College and And Air Command and Staff College and we just we did study and discuss at length Unconventional warfare. Well the number one tenet in an unconventional war is that you determine who is the enemy We have no idea who the enemy is in this particular war. We're having skirmishes I was looking at statistics from 2002 until till July of this year. We had 14 a terrorist attacks between January and July of this year 14 and in it if you're looking at an ops planner The enemy has lost one or two of its soldiers and we've lost anywhere from three or four To like 25 or 30 or 50 or whatever it may be so in terms of losing or winning the war Operationally, we're totally losing. We don't know where they are who they are or why they are These are things that have to be done the only way that we're ever going to find out is we've got to get a cadre of People and when I used to call them spies but basically people that can infiltrate the mosque and the different areas where these people can be found and then and then infiltrated and then go on from there with intelligence to really go after them and then go after whatever Logistical support we got to understand their command and control and whatever that may be But when you're looking at all the statistics and they're in Africa and Every country you can think of these terrorist attacks are going on now whether they're all tied together I don't know but that's something we need to know if we're going to fight a war and I think I bring this background to the Senate So what would you do in terms of developing that intelligence you embed people?  Oh, no, absolutely on the ground You know to train people to speak the language and and be and be able to embed themselves what I am looking at is to get with everyone particularly the People in the Middle East the Jordanians possibly Egyptian obviously the Israelis people that can infiltrate You know unbeknownst to the people around them and who have been trained to go in and get this kind of intelligence for us It's going to take some efforts our number one on our boots on the ground. Forget it I believe if there's something we want to be just you know destroyed or whatever we can do it with air power We do not need any boots on the ground. We have to have the intelligence. We have to have well that that's the one Yes, excuse me for that, but I'm even for that I'm saying that the bulk of this Cadre should be coming out of the Middle East not out of San Francisco It's really high stakes poker exactly and to be able to fit into the community They've got to be appear to be part of the community and that's the only way it's going to happen but What about diplomatic relations you have a position on that a platform plank on The question of what what sort of diplomatic relations we should have at this point, especially with Europe but also with Asia Well, I think they're critical and and that's a let me can I share When I ran for US Congress in 66 nitskin had Nixon had won had lost the Presidential against Kennedy he lost the California Governorship and I had to spend about two hours with him in front of the airport and during that time I had Just coming from German and Sapphire was a total hawk on the Vietnam War. He said John. We have no business in Vietnam that when French asked us to help them with DNB and food. We denied it. We gave him logistical support But that's it and then he went on to talk about about international peace and what he said was is that with International peace it's going to come through international trade and commerce. That's the only way it's going to happen So I'm looking at very much open free trade and in fact what happened was I thought When the people said Trump was going to run I thought what is this jackass doing even thinking about running but then I heard him all through the debates and the more I heard I The more I realized the guy said things exactly like Nixon and he's got this tremendous background in international commerce And I'm thinking this guy could be the greatest president we ever had and I know that's I know my staff doesn't want Me to even mention Trump around here, but but that that is right. We need to know how you feel well That's how I feel I'll tell you how I really feel But anyway, so that's one thing and I saw the the internet I mean the US economy is really critical to me and I see the solution is going to come through a very Conservative Congress it's going to take we've got to look at regulations. I think that place places like the Department of Education some of these intrusive Federal government involvements have got to go and I'm going to be on the stump on that and You mentioned in passing the economy and I'd like to know your platform on that. I mean You know we have we have some stats that are good some that are not so good a lot of people dissatisfied And they just have to be supporting Trump in large part. I think But they're not happy with the economy. What would you do to fix the economy in Congress in this Senate? Well, what what what Trump is talking about doing is exactly what I would be doing because we've got way too much regulation way too much Taxation and there's really not that many other than their Jones Act. There's not too many You know Impairing type laws as far as international trade is concerned But we have to your question originally was about The our allies and that's where I was actually getting to is that we need to work with everybody whether it's appellate No, I mean they're not our allies but with everybody that's that's out there and let them see what the benefit is of Trading with us being partners with us and then going on from there like rim pack here We've got the Chinese communists coming in here in their ships and we're buddies with them So I would totally favor that that sort of thing, but it's um It's a favor having them join us in rim pack. Yeah. Yeah, what about other aspects of diplomatic relations? For example, there's an issue about the South China Sea And we have some consternation over the decision in the Hague the tribunal in the Hague a few weeks ago What position would you take on that? Well, the South? Yeah, the South China Seas thing I I mean Taiwan should be the ones screaming about that at the UN and we can go in there and back them up there as far as Bombing it or taking it out of taking it out. I'm and you don't ask me that question, but um Anyway, I'm sorry, but I have a fairly hawk like streak in me And if I think something's hurting our country then I'm ready to obliterate it. So but um, what position would you take on North Korea then? Okay The position I take if Pyongyang did with their I mean if I were president right now They would not have a nuclear capability. I can tell you that that's that and I'd say the same for Iran I'd say the same for Pakistan So yes now, you know in Congress we have people considered dysfunctional For a lot of reasons but you can't seem to make up their minds on funding You know the government and they argue about things and they do these kind of hostage They hold issues hostage and then the result is we don't have any action So arguably, you know Congress is dysfunctional right now. What would you do to fix that? Well, the only thing that I can do that I that I know of it would be To just express myself Vocally and try to get as much Information however I could out to the rest of the people in the Senate and into the house and I you probably don't know this But when I was in the state house here We were in the process of starting to think about Environmental protection legislation and I introduced a bill that forced the sugar planners They have to silt all of that water before it went into the ocean because as a fighter pilot I'm coming in from 250 miles north and there's acres of the gas out there So you say so you mean remove the silk well remove the big gas from so that the yeah That in other words all the silt stays on shore and then the water goes back in the water But it's because it used to be there be two or three miles It would look like coffee in front of every meal. Yeah, and so anyway when I soon as I got in I did that and then of course I never got another penny out of castlin cook or or the But what I did do is I got every single Environmental law that we now have passed by working with Jean King and Taddao Beppu and Richard Kawakami And and John Oshijima and the guys on both sides And I think I can do the same thing because I have a I'm just able to see where they're coming from and I'm able to convince them of what makes sense and let them I didn't I only the only bill that I got credit for it was The green sea turtle and monk seal protection, which is not being properly enforced by the way, but anyway, okay We're gonna take a break now John. We come back. I'd like to ask you about the monument How you feel about the monument out there because everybody's talking about it lately is community matters with John Carroll. He's a third-time candidate for the United States Senate And he's Republican and we're talking about his platform and we'll be right back Aloha everybody. My name is Mark. Shklav. I'd like you to join me for my program law across the sea on thinktech, Hawaii calm Aloha, I'm Kirsten Baumgart Turner host of sustainable Hawaii. Thanks for watching think tech this summer We have a lot of terrific shows of great importance And I hope you'll watch my show too every Tuesday at noon as we address sustainability issues for Hawaii They're really pertinent as the World Conservation Congress approaches in September and the World Youth Congress That's focusing on sustainability next year as well Have a great summer and tune in at noon every Tuesday Welcome to think tech Hawaii calm. This is Johnson Choi your host My focus is Asia in reveal. We talk about interesting subjects in Asia Be sure to check the think tech calm website on the next topic Thank you We're back. We're here with John Carroll Republican and third-time candidate for the United States Senate I running against Brian shots among others. There's a lot of people in the field actually So you had something during the break about some jumper tables and I think we need a little humor So tell us the story. Well, okay, the jumper table goes into the bar the bartender says I'll serve you But don't start anything. Oh You know, I heard that within the last 24 hours She'd never work with jumper cables. I can see that We'll have to explain all this to our young staff Yes, so John are looking for positions, you know, and let's see She I was gonna ask you a monument. Yeah monument. Yeah, right Okay Well, first of all The our Coast Guard is not doing what they're supposed to be doing the monument as it's currently You know geographically put in place and by the way I because of all of that Environmental legislation I put in the federal fishing wildlife people took me out to cure a and Pearl and Hermes in Midway To see what kind of conditions were out there. So I'm not just talking out of my hat here but as far as I understand it the There's a 200-mile Border that needs to be sacrosanct, but our Coast Guard is allowing Other, you know ships from Japan and Korea and I don't know where the heck else But they're coming in taking the fish and going out of there. So number one I believe that they've got to enforce the rules out there And if it takes more money for the Coast Guard then so be it the as far as expanding it I'm against it because we there's so much of a of our fish Fisheries is deep is dependent upon that and they're already excluded and our people are obeying the law But these other foreign ships are going in so I think that to expand it doesn't make any sense to me at all And I would you know fight to the death force as it is Yeah, one other issue that's a sort of a federal issue these days and it strikes me that it's important for us To know how you feel about it is especially in light of all these domestic attacks is gun control You know after the last one of them So many of them you say they're all over the calendar and and it's not only and you know act a rather Jihadists it's ordinary, you know domestic terrorism our own our own people who Don't even pretend to be jihadists are using guns and killing police for example So what's your position on gun control? Would that be useful in reducing the risk to American citizens? I think it would be creating more risk for for American citizens number one you I might as well tell you I'm a lifetime member of Hawaii Rifle Association But the whole purpose of the Second Amendment is to allow people to protect themselves in their homes and to have anything It's going to erode the right to own an arm in my book I'm ready to shoot whoever wants to do that. So I mean that's just being funny, but that's It really how I feel it there. It's a it's a sacrosanct. It's not just a hunting permit thing It's a life protection and I believe firmly that we should maintain that at all costs Going to issues that are federal but that have a big effect here is TMT You know the 30-meter telescope we've had a lot of protest about that and right now it seems to be pretty much locked up Yeah, what's your thought about that? Do you have a position? Can you help? As a member of the United States Senate, okay? I believe I can help the reason I say that is I'm in a halau, which is totally against the TMT I dance hula by the way, so Then they've got a big I'm not gonna ask you to do that today. Well, this is a very good idea Well, who might be very persuasive. Why don't you just as soon as John can dance? But anyway But as far as I'm concerned The scientific advances that can be made the discoveries that can be made The enhancement of the Hawaiian culture can can be You know increased if we can have that Telescope and I think that as an am I kids grandkids great-grandkids all part of why and so it's not like I'm absent from the culture, but it's I think to do anything to stop that it would be really really Dumb and I think that anything we can do to get it over with or get it into place Operating makes a lot of good sense, and I will do what I can for that another big local issue which has federal implications, of course is rail You know because we we are hoping to get some money from Washington that will you know ameliorate the cost and the cost is bigger every Time you look and without federal money from Washington. It's gonna be hard for us So can Congress do you know when when then in Norway was occupying this very seat? You know he was able to raise money from all directions in Congress And he could fund projects like this and so many others Could you do that for rail would you do that for rail? Where can you where can you go in terms of developing the muscle? It takes to raise money for hawaii in the federal government Well, first of all i'm working with a group called do rail right al-frenzel john bond dr. Dudley you know cuny dudley those those folks have done a huge amount of Research and they've gone into the absolutely Close to criminal activity that's taken place over these years. I am looking at that now and I will reserve What I what I would do in congress is is basically to make sure that what we can do here is the proper thing to do The economic thing to do and the right thing to do and at this point I don't really know as far as my own personal feeling about is they ought to stop it at the stadium Keep out of the floodplain all together, which is where they're going to go when they come down the hill and by halamba and um And then run the buses out from there because right now even if they run to alamona If you're working on bishops street or someplace like that, you know, where where is the where's the station where you're going to walk from there It's not like tokyo or someplace like that where you've got street cars and things like that that are going by to help Where after you get off of the train and so I I really think the whole idea was absurd to begin with I believe that if we wanted one we should have had it an at grade that ran from downtown the olawa rail Would have saved a number of things but we're also looking at What happened and who did what along the way? I do not have Enough concrete information at this time to make a definitive statement. So okay, but I think it's it's in place We've got to utilize what we have i'm certainly not in favor of tearing it down or anything like that There's uh, you know, it's actually a beautiful structure when you look at it It makes you feel good, but it's just uh, so absurd in this we're serving 200 000 people They had three million out there. I'd say absolutely, but it's ridiculous The whole country is um, you know at a tipping point I would say in energy and renewable energy and so for example, hawaii isn't a tipping point We have just lost the possibility of a 4.3 billion dollar deal with next era And I wonder what your thoughts are about the status of our efforts in hawaii to You know to to to meet our goal of 100% renewable by 2045 And whether the federal government can help should help in terms of national energy policy That would have an impact on hawaii's effort. Well, number one, we should be already Almost totally independent and on alternative fuel when I was in the legislature We put in the this first solar bill the first wind bill the geothermal ocean thermal energy conversion All of those came off of my desk So number one is I'm totally looking at that and I'm totally committed to getting that done I don't think we need money from the federal government to do it I'm really happy frankly that the next era thing went down the chute those guys I mean what's happened here and and HECO is involved with it to some extent already They will not give out the permits to allow The the solar people to put in new Solar panels in the different districts and they've got this This particular law that they passed in 2008 that allows them When they put in say 10,000 new solar projects or you know solar Generators in the neighborhood whatever that does to their bottom line they can then Redistribute that through the rest of the ratepayers in the state to keep their bottom line where it was before that new 10,000 went in so they've been reluctant to to move forward with it You've got people like like Jeff Davis the solar guy and and other people that have been a little bit You know vocal on the issue, but as far as I'm concerned that is a way to go and hawaii is so ideal We can be a You know basically an icon for the world on on this subject matter And so everything that I can do there to make that happen I will do but the idea of having one big corporation having any kind of control over alternative energy Is not not only acceptable not acceptable, but it's just sickening to me to think of it, so John you're running for uh, essentially den in oa seed and now we're brine shots to see brine has been there for a couple Of years developing to these 10 he can You know a uh an arrangement Uh influence in the senate Uh hopefully in the years to come he he might achieve some part of what den and oa Achieved over his lifetime in the senate, and I wonder uh, you know thoughts about how you can match that I mean, uh, do you have a chance of winning? Do you think and do you have a chance of developing the kind of clout that den and oa had and that brine Shots is developing right now as we speak Well, first of all, I don't think brine is Developing much clout among the republicans from what I hear and his his major fame claim to fame right now is getting a poison to To save the the uh the lehua tree which which I applaud by the way My my hawaii name is kalei lehua o kalani, so I have this in infinity for that But uh, he took a very large donation from next era Which shows me that he has very little understanding of what we're trying to do here in terms of alternative energy um, I can say this um, I have That I mentioned is aortic heartfelt I think I have the personality to get done among conservative republicans The things that I think will make our state the best place in the world Can I just divert slightly take 30 seconds and finish okay, singapore has 250 square miles They have a gross domestic product of about 120 billion dollars a year We have over 6,000 square miles and we have a gross domestic product of less than 70 billion dollars a year We've got homeless people all over the place jobless people all over the place. Singapore has none of that They've got housing for everybody. I just had of my landlady just got back from singapore. She confirmed that I see as hawaii can be better than singapore better than hong kong And it already is the best place in the world and we can make it the most solvent place in the world That's why i'm running Thank you john carroll republican candidate for united states senate. Thanks for coming down to think tech Thanks for telling us. Thank you jay. It's a pleasure a pleasure


Okay, we're back live inside the Cube, SiliconANGLE.tv's production of HP Discover. This is our flagship telecast. We go out to the events, extract a signal from the noise. SiliconANGLE and Wikibon.org put together an independent research analysis commentary here inside HP Discover, bringing all the signal to you. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE.com and I'm joining my co-host. I'm Dave Vellante at Wikibon.org and we're here with Subu Ayer, who is the Vice President of Products and Strategy for HP's applications business. Subu, welcome. Thank you. Good to see you again.  You've been on before on the mini-Cube, right John? When we did the software launch at the Cupertino and we had one camera logitech connected to my Mac. Wasn't so much the Cube per se, but it was remote coverage Dave and we got the content and we captured it and it was a really good event. It was a blogger influencer blogger event and TopicsX came in and talked about HP software. But we were talking about HP software, software in general within HP. We absolutely believe that HP is a software company, even though that people are not saying that, but you guys do have a great opportunity in software with big data now and you guys have a pre-existing group that you're involved in. So tell us, HP's in the software business, right? Yep. So thanks, thanks.  John did a great job with the camera which on his laptop and streaming and we got I guess about 12, 15,000 users looking at it. So it was a great success for us. Coming back to HP, so I think software is always going to be important within HP, not just as a separate business unit but also across the company, software is built in every business. Whether it's printers, PCs, whether it's storage, servers, networking, there's a lot of software that's built within those groups. And then HP software itself is an independent business unit as you know and it's going to be really important going forward whether you're talking about cloud, whether you're talking about mobile, whether you're talking about information optimization, big data, whether you're talking about security. So huge opportunities for the company and really where our customers want us to go. So Meg Whitman super said HP's not trying to transform itself into a software company. What is HP trying to do with software? I think a couple of things, as I mentioned, in these areas of cloud, information optimization, big data and security, you'll see there's a lot of transformation happening in the way customers are reshaping their infrastructure, their IT delivery model, their consumption of services and software enables HP to actually provide a differentiator when it's competing in these markets. It provides HP to go back to its customers and sell a solution for these transformation journey that these customers are going after. So let me give you an example. When we talk of the cloud, cloud is about storage and servers and networks and efficiencies, but there's not a lot of software that needs to be built and needs to be there to make all this really seamless and easy for the customers. So what we announced with the Converge Cloud, for example, is really a common architecture across the traditional data center of a customer, whether it's a managed private cloud, whether it's a private cloud or a public cloud, so that as a customer goes through this journey, they can actually seamlessly decide, maybe I want to start with a private cloud, but at some point in time, I want to move that journey over to a public cloud and back and forth. How do you make that seamless? You build a common architecture and you have software that actually helps you get there. So HP is obviously the largest computer company out there. And I think you've said, like the fifth largest software company out there. So it stands to reason that HP has some upside in software. I mean, I've said, John and I have been talking all week, HP could be a big force in software. So it's strategic and it's also going to drive margins and it's going to drive cash flow, which is important. So is there an objective to grow that software business or become the Jack Welch number one, two, or three in your market or is it more? We want software to support our core business. Absolutely, we want to do both, right? I mean, software will definitely play a role in supporting the broader HP businesses, whether it's storage servers, networking, PC printers, but in of itself, software is a growth market, right? Every business in software that we are in, whether it's the applications business, whether it's the operations business, whether it's the security business or information business with the autonomy and vertical acquisitions, they are exploding. There's tremendous growth in applications. There are four times as many mobile apps that will be built as a regular non-mobile app by 2015. So this entire space is exploding. The opportunity is out there. It's a tremendously fast growing market. So there are four businesses, cloud, information optimization, big data, and security. Okay, so security's pretty clear. And cloud is infrastructure software, is that right? Or cloud enablement? It's infrastructure software, it's platform software, it's software as a service, the different layers to basically the cloud challenge. Okay, and information optimization is? Information optimization is about actually providing customers with an easy way to process all the data that is being gathered by the companies right now. The big challenge that companies have is with the big data problem that John mentioned earlier, there's a reams and reams of data that's being collected in from all kinds of channels, whether it's presence, points of presence, whether it's on the web, whether it's your retail, what have you, right? How do you bring all that together? How do you process it? How do you drive intelligent information from it and then actually get back and do something to connect with your customers? So information optimization and big data seem very much related on struggling with the blurriness between those two lines, is that by design? Yeah, it's at the end of the day, I think big data is about actually analyzing the volumes of data, the gigabytes of the terabytes of data and actually driving relevant information from it. So there's one piece to information optimization which is how do you store all this data in an optimized manner? But then the other interesting opportunity is how do you analyze all of that and discover some meaningful information so that you connect with the customers? So one of the things we were talking about yesterday, we talked about the speed issue around business, speed of business is the big buzzword. IT is slow, right? Oh, developers also develop things and in order to be successful developer, you got to break things, things break, you got to debug, code is never one time shot, right? It's always kind of, you guys make tools, make developers' lives easier. But when you talk about the cloud, cloud is an opportunity for IT to faster move their organization with app development infrastructure, all that good stuff, and we talked about the conversion infrastructure. But on software, particularly, what needs to change in the market right now or what's changing in the market today to make software environment for developers go faster? Because IT seems to be slow, you got to call someone up, get stuff provisioned, all the normal stuff. Hardware has always been about ops. And developers just want stuff to work. Yeah, I mean, I think you bring up a good point, John. I mean, it's a traditional battle, in terms of how much do I invest in ongoing operations and management versus how much do I invest in innovation? It's always been the 80-20 rule, which is I put 80% of my budget in keeping ongoing business and ongoing applications and my data center going. I'm 20% in new innovation if I can. I think what's changed, though, is businesses and customers don't want to wait anymore. They want new capabilities, new innovation right now. They cannot wait for 24 months for a new release of an application. They want incremental, monthly, quarterly releases, maybe even weekly releases. It's a huge differentiation for a customer. What specifically are developers focusing in on in terms of tools and languages and whatnot? So I'm coming to that. So I think for the first time, what's happened is, as you mentioned, the cloud offers an opportunity or an alternative to traditional IT. I, as a developer, don't have to wait anymore to say if I need a few machines for testing or building a new application, I can rent that from the public cloud and pay with my credit card, and then when I'm done, I basically disconnect and I'm not paying for that anymore. So it's instant gratification and an alternative that it provides. But it also provides an opportunity for IT to actually look at that and provide some of those similar models internally. So IT can build a private cloud with a set of services, infrastructure as a service, maybe storage as a service, to their internal lines of business. This is DevOps. This is DevOps. This is DevOps. And so we love DevOps. In fact, we just launched a new publication called DevOps Angle. I don't know if you've seen that, but it's early and we know it's early because we had the predictive analytics to know it's a hot trend. We're getting behind that because that's where the cloud is going, right? Rapid development, rapid deployment, buy as you go, outsourcing, nice, cool. The question is, is that, not a lot of people know about DevOps. I was at a presentation giving a keynote to IBM sales executives, and now they're partners executives, and I asked the audience, how many people here have heard of DevOps? Like two hands out of 300. Really? Yeah, it's just like, but they're out in the trenches. They're just out deploying some cloud, but that's new to them. So what is going on with DevOps in your mind? Good and bad and the ugly. What's the good, bad and ugly about DevOps? DevOps is early, right? It's early in its maturity, it's early in its evangelism, it's early in kind of customers actually learning about it, but there's a huge appetite for it because most customers have made the journey to Agile. When they made the journey to Agile, they figured out how to release new innovation, new versions of applications in an incremental fashion. But guess what? They're operations teams which are measured on the uptime of the application, the performance of the application, the security of the application, can't really keep up with the rate of change that's coming down their way. So if I'm a data center operator, my first task is no more changes because change is a risk for me, change is actually contrary to the metrics that matter to me and my job. So DevOps is all about actually speeding up that pipeline of innovation right from the conception of the idea to actually delivering it to the end customer. What are some of the challenges in getting stuff in production? Because you know, obviously there's been all kinds of tools out there, like you mentioned in public cloud, which is really just a way to get stuff up and running, right? And then ultimately you got to move it into production. So the trend right now, and we've seen some on the storage side in particular, you don't want to, you want to get into production as fast as possible because there's a lot of testing that you do mention. What's going on around that relative to the new products that you guys are building? So I think, as I said, DevOps is all about streamlining this pipeline. So we think there are a couple of angles to really make DevOps work in an enterprise. It's about automation, automation and automation, infusing a lot of automation in this process so that you don't rely on manual work. You don't make mistakes when you do this in a repeated fashion. So automation is going to help significantly. So what we just announced with our lab management capabilities with ALM 11.5 is essentially allowing customers to really automate the build verification test process when they're delivering new software in an incremental fashion. Secondly, it's about collaboration. DevOps is about dev and ops. How do you get the two teams to work together and partner and share information? So what we released with Performance Center 11.5 around a capability called Continuous Application Performance Delivery is about sharing those best practices and the knowledge that the operation team has back into development and really making that entire 360 degree feedback loop as productive as possible. So we really think there are two parts to this automation and there's collaboration and sharing of best practices between the two teams. Collaboration is a good point. We talked yesterday. This was the big conversation yesterday was it's not the CIO's problem. It's more of a people problem. DevOps has always been like ops and dev. They don't really like each one. DevOps is what they said. Everything's about no, I don't want to do that. And developers just want to break stuff. So with that, talk about the collaboration. What do you guys have that's cool right now on the collaboration stuff? So I think what we have is really, really exciting. And I think if you haven't seen it, I really encourage you people to look at the product. We've released a capability called enterprise collaboration and it's not just a collaboration for the sake of collaboration like other collaborations software out there. It's actually embedded within the ALM software product. So when you buy ALM, there's enterprise collaboration which is part of it. And the beauty of it is it lets the users delivering an application. We just talked about dev and ops. It's a team sport. There are 15 different stakeholders and 100 different roles and people involved in this. It cannot be done by just one smart developer or a team of three developers. So collaboration, enterprise collaboration, HP Enterprise Collaboration lets you actually work in a collaborative manner across these different stakeholders in context. If you're working on a particular requirement or a new capability for an application, how beautiful is it if you can actually talk to the developer, talk to the business analyst, talk to the tester, talk to the ops guy in the context of that requirement? It's just mind blowing if you see that capability and customers love it. Where does social play into that capability and how does it relate to your big data offering? So social, I mean when I talk about enterprise collaboration it incorporates social elements into it. Getting to talk to people in their environment of choice. If you're kind of in the ALM product using enterprise collaboration, you're talking to the VP of apps who most likely is not going to log into the ALM product but wants to know information or you want to get approval from them. And it's probably using some other form of communication. It's probably on Twitter or Facebook or as an instant messaging or whatever. You can actually provide that information directly to that media of choice that the VP or the executive may have. So social is a huge part of this. We are embedding social in a lot of our products. So Subbu, there was a lot of discussion about HP software business in the last several years and obviously you had a lot of great infrastructure management software that being driven by HP's core enterprise business.  Obviously the Mercury Interactive, more recently Vertica, now Autonomy. And it seems like those pieces are starting to reshape the HP software strategy. So what in a nutshell is your vision for HP software? Well, I mean I think you talked about it. I think we were basically looking at building a presence and security. So we made a couple of acquisitions, ArcSight, Fortify software and then when we bought 3Com we got TippingPoint which is network security. So we think we now are a pretty strong winner in the security business, in the enterprise security business. But just from a vision perspective, we really think this entire industry is going through a transformation. As a part of their transformation there's a lot of challenge for the customers out there but there's a lot of opportunity to really reform yourself or transform yourself for the next 10 years or the next decade of IT. And HP's vision is actually to help customers make that journey as easy as possible. So we want you to make it easy to build new applications and innovation. We want you to really make it simple to operate your infrastructure, your applications. We want you to make sure that you can really secure all these capabilities. And we want to make sure that you can actually process all the deluge of information and data that's coming out there and drive a valuable information and connect with your customers. That in a nutshell is what HP Software is all about. Excellent. Okay, well, great. Thanks for coming on theCUBE. We're looking forward to seeing you guys back down in Cupertino in your next event. And anytime you want to come on theCUBE I have the Palo Alto studio which I have to get you guys up there for an in-depth drill down on the software because I'm sure there'll be a big data autonomy component in the works. Yeah, thanks a lot guys. So I enjoyed this. I mean, the show has been a great hit. I mean, several customer meetings, a lot of enthusiasm. So thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, we're inside theCUBE. We'll be right back with our next guest at this short break.


Welcome, I welcome you all to this lecture in the course Introduction to Paninian Grammar. In this lecture we continue studying the concept of compositionality and how it works as far as the Paninian grammar is concerned. We have said that as far as the speech that is produced as per the description of the Paninian Shiksha which we studied earlier. This speech is one indivisible unit as far as the process of communication is concerned. It is the grammarians who by applying the methodology of Anvaya and Vethirika as also described and also studied by us described by the Vyakarnamahabhashya of Patanjali how the components of this one indivisible speech are carved out and are stored. We also studied how these components can further be segregated into its own components by applying the same technique of Anvaya and Vethirika as described in the Vyakarnamahabhashya which we have studied before. So, we also stated that this concept of compositionality exists in the Paninian grammatical tradition at 3 levels namely the meaning level, the artha level, the word level, the shabda level and also the accent level namely the swara level. We have studied how this principle works as far as the artha level is concerned and also the shabda level is concerned. We also said that both these artha and shabda levels they correspond with each other. The corresponding components at the meaning level in the artha level correspond with the components figured out in the shabda level. We also said that it is this meaning level which is considered as the cause and shabda is interlinked with this meaning level. We are still talking about the so-called programming or the linguistic plane which exists in the intellect. We also used the terms artha kasha and shabda kasha to describe these phenomena. Now what remains is the compositionality at the level of swara or accent. This is what we shall study in this present lecture. So, the compositionality of swara can be summarized in the following manner as shown on this particular slide. So, the divisions correspond with the divisions that exist at the shabda level and also at the vakya level. So, vakya swara 1 is made up of three constituents for example, because there are three constituents in the meaning as well as shabda. So, there are three constituents as far as the swara is concerned as well. Padaswara 1 plus Padaswara 2 plus Padaswara 3 and there is this plus sign which is marked in red with some purpose as was discussed earlier in with regards the meaning as well as the word level artha as well as the shabda level. The plus sign shown over here is what constitutes the swara of the vakya exclusively. Just as the plus sign shown in the similar equation in the meaning explanation also indicated the vakya artha exclusively and also the vakya exclusively. So, also this plus sign over here indicates the vakya swara which is nothing but the combination of Padaswara which are presented over here. So, Padaswara is presented by the respective Padas but the swara which comes out as a result of the combination of these Padas is what is considered as vakya swara which is what is shown by the plus sign over here. This is the general case. So, vakya swara can be shown to have been composed from the swara of the Padas and the Padaswara in its turn can be shown to have been composed out of the swara that is assigned to prakriti and the swara that is assigned to the respective praktyaya which is added to that prakriti.   Once again the plus sign over here is shown in blue ink primarily once again to highlight the same fact that was highlighted at the vakya level namely the Padaswara is exclusively the swara of the combination of prakriti swara and the praktya swara. Prakriti swara will be marked in a particular manner, praktya swara will be marked in a particular manner by the rules. Now, when prakriti and praktya they both come together the prakriti swara and the praktya swara also comes together and it is this combination which gives rise to a different swara altogether which might sometimes change the prakriti swara or the praktya swara sometimes it may not change, sometimes it may just retain one of the two namely the one that is stated later on and so on. So, but the point is that it is this plus sign marked in blue which marks the Padaswara exclusively. So, this vakya swara to this vakya swara the contributions come from prakriti swara and praktya swara plus their combinations respective combinations. This is how the swara is described in the Paninian grammar in general and once again it corresponds with the Shabda level as well as the Artha level. So, now let us take the concrete examples to illustrate the point of compositionality in relation to the accent. When we studied the compositionality of Artha and also the Shabda we studied the examples in terms of 12 sentences. We classified them into two groups the first six sentences forming the first group and the second six sentences from 7 to 12 forming the second group we call them dataset 1 and dataset 2. On this slide we have presented to you the dataset 1 namely the sentences numbered 1 to 6 together with the accent marks and that is why they are shown here as dataset 1.1 and so the second dataset together with the accent mark will be shown as dataset 2.1. Now here you see that there are some accent marks which are provided notably there is this vertical bar on top of this letter m on top of the vowel r and also a horizontal bar below this letter r or a these are the accent marks. Then there are words like gachhati which have no symbol no accent mark shown. So, what is the meaning of these accent marks? We shall study this in a while but the point is that here is a dataset marked with the accent information this is very crucial. We shall also study that this is a sentential accent when we break down the components of this sentence into the padas or the words we will find different accents. So, we will look at a prakritisvara as well as the padasvara in a moment. So, now gramam gachhati ramaha is one sentence and then it can be shown to have the constituents in the form of three words gramam, gachhati and ramaha and so on. And as we know that this dataset consists of certain amount of left hand side elements which are also known as roots which are classified into two once again the nominal root and the verbal root and the right hand side elements which are also classified into two certain elements get attached to the nominal root and certain elements get attached to the verbal root. So, if we now go to those atoms the linguistic atoms we will note down these accents on those atoms. For example, grammar has this accent mark on top of ma, gum has no accent mark, ram has the vertical the horizontal bar below ra, ma there is no accent mark, shala has got an accent mark on top of la, mohana has got an got two accent marks below the letters mo and her and na is not accented. Rasha is not having any symbol of an accent. On the right hand side we have pratyayas namely am and this is having a horizontal bar below it, a is also having a horizontal bar below, t is also having a horizontal bar and sir does not have any accent mark. So, these are the accents that are marked on the prakriti and the praktyaya by the panimian grammar and we should study what these symbols mean. We have already seen that there are three accents udatt, anudatt and swarita which are the features of vowels. So, the first thing and the foremost thing is that accent marks are the accents are the features of vowels and they are not the features of consonants. So, sir over here does not have an accent there is no symbol of an accent but it does not have an accent why because it is a consonant. So, each and every vowel can be said to have the quality of getting an accent. Now, the point is that as far as the panimian grammatical tradition is concerned the general system that is followed is the following the udatt accent and we shall have this these rules studied later on but for the time being we can say that an udatt is not marked by any symbol and in one particular word there has to be at least one udatt the remaining are anudattas. Now, the anudattas that comes immediately after an udattas is called swarita and has this particular symbol the vertical bar on top of the letter. So, in the word grammar it is this a which is udattas and therefore it is not marked and this a which is an anudattas which comes immediately after this udattas therefore it becomes a swarita and gets this sign of a vertical bar on top. This is how the accent on the word grammar can be explained and in fact there are sutras also which explain this grammar dinaanchya and so on. Next we go to gum and here we observe that there is only one vowel. So, this vowel gets accented this vowel gets the udattas for and obviously that is why it is not marked. In the word Rama this udattas this a at the end is marked as udattas without any symbol and this is anudattas so it is marked with the horizontal bar below it. In the word shala the word shala consists of the first vowel a as udattas therefore this second vowel a is anudattas but it comes after anudattas therefore it is marked as a swarita marked with the vertical bar on top of it. This is how the accent in shala can be explained and there is a sutras that supports this. Next we have the word Mohana which is the proper name Mohana and so by another sutra fischolta udattah this has na as udattas so all the vowels that come before it they are shown as anudattas by the horizontal lines below them. Similarly next we have the verbal root dhrisha which is also accented and without any symbol accent symbol the verbal root dhrisha as well as gamma they have udattas by the rule dhatoho. Now we come to the pratyayas here is am this is marked as anudattas because this is a sup and all the sup are marked as anudattas. Next we go to a and this is marked as anudattas because this is possessing the ith sound per because it is stated as shab in the initial enunciation so this is a pit sound and any pratyaya which is pit takes an anudattava there is no udattas over here same is the case with t because it is pit so it is pit therefore it is marked as anudattas and obviously sir because it is a consonant it cannot have the udattava well on it. So this is how the panangian grammar states the accents on the prakriti and pratyayas in a rule based fashion. Now from them the padashvara is generated. So we take the word grammar which has an udattas in the initial position and therefore this ma has become an anudattas but it comes after the udattas therefore it is marked as a swarita followed by this am which is anudattas and as we see the resultant form consists of only one a there is an euphonic combination also known as sandhi in which this anudattas and this anudattas they both come together and the resultant accent therefore also is anudattas. So this udattas accent retains itself and so in the word gramam which is the padha which is a combination of gramma and am the accent of a is retained. So this a is still udattas and this a is shown as swarita because this is an anudattas which comes immediately after an udattava well. So this is shown with the vertical bar on top of it which is a mark of swarita. Next we go to the derivation of the form gachhati in which we see that gam is udattas without any symbol a is anudattas with a horizontal bar t is also anudattas with a horizontal bar. Now when these are put together because both these two are anudattas and this is an udattas so this udattas retains itself and so we get this kind of accent symbol initially and finally we get this gachhati having this a marked as swarita because it is coming immediately after an udattas in g. Now this is also an anudattas but because this anudattas comes after an anudattas which is marked as swarita therefore this is also unmarked but this t and this g should not be confused this is udattas this is not anudattas this is anudattas. As far as the word Rama is concerned it consists of two components Rama having this a udattas and sir without any udattas so the joining of these two the combination of these two will give us the word Rama where this accent of a on a will be retained. Similarly in Shalaam we have Shala marked as initial udattas and am same is the case with Gramam and so the Sandhi the euphonic combination will generate the same accent as Gramam so this initial vowel still is accented in Mohana where the last Mohana where the last vowel is accented in Mohana and sir because it is a consonant it is not accented so it will retain the accent of a and and then we have Mohana having the final vowel accented. Similarly Parshati will have the similar process of as Gatshati and so it will have an initial vowel accented which will be then converted into this form where the initial vowel is accented and the rest of them they are anudattas so the anudattas that comes immediately after anudattas will be marked as swarita as shown here. This is how the padashvara as far as this sentence will work and the principle of compositionality will be able to help us in this regard. Now when we construct the vakyashvara from this prakriti swara and the padashvara here is one example. So now we have Gramam with the initial udattas Gatshati as a separate padha having initial udattas once again and Ramaha as a separate padha having the final vowel udattas this is the status. Now when these three words come together in this order Gramam Gatshati Ramaha now what happens is this sentential effect takes place and now this Gramam it retains its accent but look at Gatshati now Gatshati will have all the anudattas vowels this is the sentential effect because Gatshati comes immediately after Gramam or any other nominal word so then it gets all the anudattas vowels and Ramaha is in the same form. Now when this Gatshati comes in the initial position of the sentence then it retains its own form see the accent the word Gatshati as shown here is similar over here that is why the word Gatshati is shown in the red ink on this slide. So now from this it is clear that when the verb Gatshati occurs in the first position it retains its padha accent which is a combination of the prakriti pratyaya accent but when the verbal root Gatshati appears in the second position following the word Gramam then it loses its padha accent and acquires the new sentential accent this is the sentential accent this is the varkasvara as shown in the first sentence over here Gramam Gatshati Ramaha. Now similar thing can be said with respect to the second data say 2.1 where we have sentences once again 1 to 6 from 7 to 12 Ramayana Gramo Gammyate Ramayana Shala Gammyate and so on and so forth. Once again we have the prakriti pratyaya svara explained to us in the similar fashion the left hand side is the same now the right hand side is different so we here we have inna once again this is a sup therefore it has got both anudattas sir because it is a consonant cannot have an accent udattas here is accented because of the general rule that the pratyayas are accented in the beginning te is also accented and now when we join these together we get the following padhasvara. So Ramayana now here is an interesting point here this ma has a udatta accent followed by e and anudatta accent and as a resultant form vca appearing over here now this a is a combination of an udatta a and anudatta e so a combination of an udatta and anudatta is always an udatta this is stated by the rules a kadesha udatta in a udatta and therefore this a becomes udatta similarly in other case mohanena this a is udatta this a is an udatta the resultant form is a which is because which is a which is an udatta over here now if we construct once again the sentence accent from these for the accents this is the position that we get ramayana gramo gamayate where the verb gamayate which has an initiative in which has a middle accent madhya udatta it loses this udatta accent and then it all of its vowels are termed as anudatta and because they follow this swarita they are unmarked but they are in fact anudatta but when this gamayate occupies the first position in the sentence then it retains its own accent once again this is a particular peculiar phenomenon as far as paninian grammar is concerned as some as far as samskruth is concerned that a verb retains its accent when it is in the initial position but if it appears in any other position it loses its accent this is the sentential feature this happens because of this combination that is part of the sentence so we can make some general rules which mark the accent for example some of them we have already discussed the accent known as udatta is not marked with any symbol for example in gam the accent known as anudatta is marked with a horizontal bar below the letter as in inner the accent known as swarita is marked with a vertical bar on top of the letter like ramayana the anudattas which are described as ekashirati are also unmarked as was the case in the verb which comes at the final position then some other general rules which can be stated about the compositionality of accent are the following each verbal element prakriti pratyaya and padha contains at least one udatta remaining all vowels are anudatta very basic principle the anudatta vowel that comes before anudatta is marked with a horizontal bar below the anudatta vowel that comes after anudatta is termed as swarita and is marked with a vertical bar above this is also called as paratantrasvarita the anudatta vowels which come after the paratantrasvarita are termed as ekashirati and are unmarked as is the case with gamayate gamayate because it is a verb and it appears in the non-initial position so all the vowels are anudatta but because they come after this swarita so they are unmarked they are called ekashirati the other word used for them is pratyaya but when these anudatta ekashirati vowels are followed by anudatta so if after this gamayate if there is anudatta vowel that comes over here then this they will be marked as anudatta with a horizontal bar below it just as it happens in this case ramena just as this instead of swarita is marked as anudatta similarly this they will be marked as anudatta rather than an ekashirati the purpose to do so is to indicate that the next vowel is udatta generally all the verbal roots have their final vowel udatta by the sutra dhato 6 1162 generally all the nominal roots have their final vowel udatta by the sutra phishoanta udatta by phishutra 1 generally all the suffixes have their initial vowel udatta by the sutra adjudattascha 313 a verb or a tinganta has one udatta only when it appears in the initial position in the sentence or is part of a subordinate clause otherwise it does not have one udatta to conclude we can say that accent plays a crucial role in the formation of padas as well as vakyas rules transform the prakriti swara and the praktyaya swara into the padha swara and the rules transform the padha swaras into a vakya swara order of words is therefore significant from the point of view of accent in samskrata even though we have seen that from the point of view of the meaning the order is not important but from the point of view of accent the order of words is important so we can draw some overall conclusions at this stage at the end of this discussion on compositionality namely that the principle of compositionality does play a very crucial role in the formation of sentence meaning sentence and sentence accent in samskrata it is this principle which protects the scientificness of the inquiry in general it is this principle that also allows multiple interpretations of a given text based on multiple possible compositions but at the level of speech production comprehension and communication we also need the principle of non-compositionality indivisibility so compositionality and non-compositionality or indivisibility both go hand in hand in the overall picture related to language and this is what is summed up in the shabdasutra called sarvasattvadas ciddhantaha so now in the coming lecture we shall take a recap review what we have studied so far and will explain the future plan of action that we are going to undertake in the subsequent lectures thank you for your attention


Welcome, everyone, to today's General FGU. I'm Sid, I'm the CEO of GitLab, and the first topic is incremental ACV. That's our most important goal, and it's looking good for the quarter. We expect to come in above plan, and there's even a 50-50 chance, we'll do $10 million in incremental ACV this quarter, which would be way above plan, $2 million above plan, and which would be awesome. Second thing on my mind is the GitLab local move that's going to happen this Saturday. I think the team has done a really good job preparing. One of my worries was the database server. One of the few things in GitLab that's not sharded, that's a single point, is the database server. We had to make sure that the database would perform better on Google Cloud Platform than it would do on Azure, and the team has done some great testing to prove that is the case. Third thing, Cortland resigned. He was a senior director with a lot of different things on his plate, and we've taken that opportunity to make a flatter, simpler marketing organization. Maybe that's a good thing to link to a future, the future state of marketing, future state. Here we go. Fundraising, so we raised, we have the first VC fund that committed to us, but the more friends, the better, and our existing investors are prepared to make room for another investor to come in. This whole thing about making room is a bit of a weird concept, so maybe I should elaborate a bit. As soon as one investor commits, mostly the rest of the market says, well, this is apparently a good deal, I want to invest as well. That's what's happening here too. The company only needs so much money to get us to IPO with some money in the bank, so now we're not raising that much money, but more people want to put money in. I think we could raise like two times the amount we set out to do.  Existing investors have the ability to do a prorata like put in as much money so that their percentage of the company stays the same, so they put money in so they don't get diluted, but they're willing to give up that privilege to make room for a new VC so that we have another VC on our team. I'm talking with three VCs right now to see which one is the best fit for our needs. They're all pretty great ones, so that's going to be a tough decision. Another thing I want to touch on is that efficiency comes from reducing the needs to coordinate. If you need to coordinate, please do, but whenever you can avoid needing to coordinate, that's great. So if you could say, hey, that's your project. You just do what you please. Hey, that's your decision. That is extremely powerful. If a response is, hey, let's sync on that, let's discuss that. Oh, we'll decide it together. That sounds nice and collaborative, but it's inefficient.  So anytime you can say, oh no, that's, she is in charge of that, that is a great thing. And I've, wherever I find those situations, I try to tease out, can we make this simpler? Can we just decide this person is XYZ? Another thing I want to touch on, our value of iteration, iteration is a publicly-facing result. So if you say, hey, I was working on that, I iterated on it four times. If you were just making changes to a draft that you haven't published, it's not, we don't consider it an iteration. It might be according to the dictionary definition, but for us, an iteration is when it's, when you get feedback on it as it's released. So you release it and then you do a change. That's an iteration, otherwise you're just changing things. That might be very well, but don't call it an iteration so that we don't get confused about what we mean with iteration. Last thing, the summit is coming up. Tomorrow I'll be flying and from then on, I'll be on the road basically until the summit starts. The goal of the summit is to learn to get to know each other better, so it's focused around that. It's focused about around doing excursions together, having some downtime for hanging out and for doing some work, which also has to happen, and doing the user-generated content sessions. The user-generated content sessions are the pinnacle, I think, of the summit. Our mission is everyone can contribute. Everyone can contribute by proposing sessions, by voting on sessions, by attending sessions. All other companies I know of use summits where they have everyone in the same room to give big, long presentations about the new plans for all the different functional departments. We're not doing that. We're not putting you to that. When we have an announcement, we'll do functional group updates, we'll tell you we sent you the merge request. We're not making you fly all the way out to South Africa to have you sit through that. We want to do things that are cross-functional, that involve different people and that come from the individual contributor level. So, when you go to Burning Man, they have on your ticket, like it's not a festival, like we're not organizing something for you. You make it happen. This is not Burning Man, but it's also not your regular company summit. You make it happen, and you make it happen by participating in those user-generated content sessions. You make it happen by going out of your comfort zone and talking to people you haven't talked to before. You make it happen by seeing that person that's standing alone or kind of wandering around and reaching out to them. That's what the summit is about. That's why we're there. Cool. Simon asks, is there a deck? People linked along URL, which I suppose is the deck. John May, is the investor you announced to the team still leading the route? Yes. Yes, John, and it's all going well. I'm happy it is. Yeah, this is about, like, not the lead investor, but kind of the, well, if one is the lead, then this would be the follower. I'm not sure we'd call it that, but it's about that. David is gonna go on a rampage of hanging out with every single person in the company, which is great. Brenna asks, Brenna, do you wanna verbalize your question? Happy to. Yeah, no, I was just curious being brand new. If there is a way, I would love to get everyone's feedback of who worked with partners, what you guys have enjoyed, what is working, what's not working, just being brand new, being able to gather a lot of that and getting everyone's feedback would mean an enormous amount. So is there a way that I can get that time? It sounds like there's a proposal process, and since this is my second day, I might not know the best process to do that. Yep, so there's a proposal process. Please ask in the select channel, I think, Summit, how that works. You can propose a session. Then people still have to vote on it, so it's like making it a juicy description. And then if you find that it's just you and Priyanka in that session, like then just don't have a session. We'll go to someone else's session for sure. Yeah, in general, we don't want functional sessions, but considering that you're really new and alliances is like the department that is cross-functional by default, that's why you're there because you gotta work with the whole rest of the company. So I think it's appropriate to have that session, and then you'll see whether you get enough votes to actually have that session there. Perfect. We'll put one together, and thank you, John. I got it now. Oh, I don't see any other questions or remarks. Molly asked a question. Thank you, I was just going to jump in, I was gonna say. Sorry, my dog's been crying at herself in the mirror all morning, I saw a couple of people, some videos of that, but it's been quite annoying for video calls. I'd be curious, how do you expect, if any way, the summit to be different, now that we're gonna have customers in attendance, and what things should we be aware of, or I guess do you expect things to be different anyway? Yep, a bit. So having customers there has the risk of overly focusing on those customers, and in general, in our non-summit days, when there's a customer, we are there for the customer, so when they're there, they're our primary focus. Now, the summit is not gonna be sustainable if it's just our team hanging out. I don't know of a company of 2,000 people that can do something like that. I do know of companies that can have a very big event that includes customers, think of like Dreamforce and things like that. So the customers are a way to start making this sustainable. Now, the more we can treat customers as like another person in the GitLab community, the better. So I'd love for us not so much to put up a big show, but for them to participate. So I would love to have a customer propose a user-generated content session. Like that would be a big, big win. The more they can feel like they're part of a community and the less they feel like they're being sold to, the better the outcome. We're a very special company, like everyone can contribute the co-creation we do with customers and users. That's unique, that's our strength. So it's not gonna be like Dreamforce, where we put up big screens and we present to them. It has to feel like getting to know each other better for the users, contributors, customers, team members. And the more we can generate that feeling, I think the better it is. So we're changing the format from the summit from getting to know your fellow team members better to getting to know the GitLab community better. Customers are also part of the GitLab community and we should treat them like that. But it's gonna be very, very hard to... They also think they're signing up for a festival and they're gonna get tons of presentations and workshops. So managing those expectations and making sure they know that it is what they make of it, like they have to get involved themselves. It's a DIY conference. That's gonna be a very hard process for us to go to. And we're starting that now we've invited five customers. So we're making the beginning, the next summit we'll have more customers. Also separating it a bit in time where we first do only team members, then getting some core community members in, core team members in and then customers. I would love in a year or two or in two years for us to have one week that includes both team members and customers where we're on equal footing, but I'm not sure that's possible. We should strive to get as close as we can to that. So yes, customers will change it. Hopefully we keep the good things and customers will also change it and that it will not have to change, that we can keep doing this for a very long time and it will be impossible to look at this as just a cost center with unqualified benefits. Thank you, that was great. Thanks for asking the question and Simon has some exciting news. Simon, you wanna verbalize it? Yeah, so Derivco have been with us since 2014. When they originally signed up, I think their deal was worth a quarter of our annual revenue just to put it into context. So they're gonna be sending two guys from their team along to attend for two days and they're gonna do a UGC on DevOps at Derivco and their organization. They're two really good people to have coming along. One of them, Greg, has been using GitLab since they got it four years ago. So yeah, very excited to have them doing the UGC but also in attendance. So I'm happy that we're inviting customers now as well. Very cool, thanks for mentioning that. That's really exciting. I'm very excited about our customers. We talk with a customer in the financial services industry that was even in the Netherlands that was considering hiring people, especially to contribute to GitLab. If we can make that happen, if we are so welcoming and show so much interest in working with them, collaborating with them, also an interest on a human level and who they are that people start contributing instead of just being a customer, that will be a sea change. The biggest risk as we grow as a company is that we get distanced from the community where they're feeling like, oh, you're in the company or you're outside of the company. That is a very, very big danger for us. There's a reason we're all remote and part of that reason is so we're all on an equal level with anybody else in the issue tracker. So I hope we start, we almost obviously will refer to them as customers but stop thinking of like, we have team members and customers and it's an insight and an outside. No, it's all people that care about GitLab and it's all people that contribute to GitLab in their way. And look, only people that care a lot about GitLab are gonna go to the time and effort to fly out, maybe except for Derivco who's based in South Africa but even then, it's a big chunk of your time and it's not a festival. So I hope we can create that vibe of a movement instead of an organization selling you a weekend. Yes, Cindy, think of everyone as GitLab contributors. That's exactly the mindset. Thanks for that. And yes, oh, there's also Siemens who pays people to contribute to GitLab. So it's happening and that's needed because even with all the engineers we're gonna hire in the next couple of months, we won't be able to pull off the vision of a single application for the whole DevOps lifecycle by ourselves. We need our users and our customers to contribute to that. Cool, that feels like an appropriate ending. Thanks, Molly, for unleashing this. Have a great day, everyone.