Good afternoon everyone. My name is Jennifer Cook. I'm director of the Africa program here at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. We're delighted to welcome you to today's event, the Road to Presidential Elections in the Democratic Republic of Congo. This is a big year for elections in Africa with more than 15 presidential elections in 2011. I think while the electoral standoff in Cote d'Ivoire, the Sudanese referendum, turmoil in Egypt have taken a lot of attention already in our kind of dominating Africa centered interest. I think it'll be very important in the coming months to focus on the elections in the Democratic Republic of Congo. As you know, this is a country of vast potential and promise, but also one that's been wracked by conflict and crisis for decades. Recently, I think in a positive development, a lot more attention has been spent on the crisis in the east, but I think less on the fundamental issues that underpin that crisis, the issues of governance, which really very much are determined to a large extent within Kinshasa. So these elections coming up are ones that I think the United deserve our scrutiny, our attention and our support. We hope in the course of the coming months here at CSIS to host a series of events focused on the elections, the critical questions and how best the United States and international community can support free, transparent and credible elections. I think as you know, there are troubling signs perhaps already, the constitutional amendment that eliminates a runoff election between presidential contestants is something of an ominous sign. I think it will be incumbent on the opposition, given those circumstances, to have a strategy in place. And for that reason, we're very happy to host today Vitelle Cameré, who is the president and co-founder of the Union pour la Nation Cogoles, the UNC party. As you know, he's a former member of parliament, representing the Bukavu District of Kivu. And as many of you know, he was one time a close ally of President Kabila. He served as secretary general of the ruling People's Party for Reconstruction and Development, PPRD. He was a leader of President Kabila's election campaign and held a number of government positions. Most recently, he was president of the National Assembly, a post from which he resigned in March 2009, after a very public falling out with President Kabila over Rwanda's involvement in eastern DRC, and perhaps more specifically, the role of the legislature and the powers vested in the legislature to be informed and to oversee. So, Mr. Cameré is being a key figure, both in successive peace processes on the east and in the inter Congolese political dialogue. He is today considered among the leading opposition candidates for president in the run-up to the November 2011 elections. So we're delighted to have you here with us. He's joined today by Tadi Wantwadi, who is the personal representative of Mr. Cameré in the U.S. He'll be translating for Mr. Cameré. And also on the panel, we have Mbemba Dizolele, who is a distinguished visiting fellow with a Hoover Institution of Stanford University. Mbemba is a writer, foreign policy analyst, and independent journalist. He's written extensively on Congo. He's currently a visiting scholar at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. And he's the author of a forthcoming, we're looking forward to seeing this too, the forthcoming biography. It's been forthcoming for a while. Mobutu, The Rise of Fall of the Leopard King. I just want to say a note. I know many people have traveled to this event from far away. There's a great deal of passion surrounding the issues in Congo. They say this about Kenyans and Nigerians, but Congolese, you have three Congolese in a room and you've got four different opinions right there. People are very impassioned. I think people are very frustrated with what's happened in the Congo over time. So I know there'll be a lot of discussion. We've gotten a lot of emails in the run-up to this event. I do hope you know, again, this is one of a series that we'll be having on the Democratic Republic of Congo's election course. We do want this to remain kind of a civil. It's not a political rally. This is analysis and discussion. And we hope we all maintain the tone and keep that spirit in mind. We're going to turn to Mr. Kameri first for remarks and then to Mbemba. And we're going to reserve as much time as possible for a question period. So with that, Mr. Kameri, welcome. We're delighted to host you here and we look forward to your remarks. I'd like, first of all, to thank the Center for Strategic and International Studies for the invitations that I have received. On my invitation, they asked me to speak about the political situation in the DRC, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and about also my candidacy as the presidential elections of 2011. Therefore, that takes me to speak about the political power right now and, of course, they're facing up the opposition. The actual power versus facing up the electoral process right now, which will be a diagnosis. We're also going to talk about the attitude of the political opposition facing the electoral process. We'll also be speaking about the attitude of the Congolese opposition vis-à-vis of this electoral process. The civil society also has got some voices. We'll also be speaking about the international community attitude. Since it's hard to speak for oneself, we will finalize our speech with that and then we'll leave it to others to go ahead and just paint whatever they could see out of me. The first point is the review of the constitution in our country. The second point is the modification of the electoral law. The third point is the implementation of the opposition and the civil society. And the fourth point is the politicization of the army, of the police and the security services. Finally, the manipulation of the institution in charge of the elections in our country. About the power actually, the government attitude towards this process. First of all, I'll be speaking about the review or the amendment that they want to bring about the constitution. The modification on the electoral law and of course the attack on the opposition and the fourth one. The politicization of the army and the manipulation of the electoral committee. The review of the constitution surprised a lot of people. First of all, about the timing of it and then the second thing is how it happened. Many are questioning why this is happening in January at this time and the moment that the electoral process has also to begin. They say you don't change the rules of the game during the competition. However, here we've noticed that the rules are being changed during the competition. If the power in these offices had the impression of having a completely open royal voice in front of him, that is to say there was no opposition. From the moment when the power managed, with the complicity of many people, to put Jean-Pierre Bemba in the race, that is to say to put him in the CPI, for the opposition, for the power, the voice of victory was assured. Because at one time the power, those in power, felt that Jean-Pierre Bemba at the CPI, who was the challenger of Cabela, he had 42%. Jean-Pierre Bemba, who was the challenger of Cabela, had 42%. Right now he's at the CPI. For the power, the victory was assured. Many believe that it was all over. He was dead because he was in jail and Chisecati is too old and that's it. It's all over. However, the return of Chisecati back to Kinshasa and the welcome that he received shook up the power in Kinshasa and brought up the attention of those in the ruling class today. At the same time, our ambition is to introduce ourselves to the 2011 presidency, followed by our exit to Goma and Bukavu, where we were welcomed by our people. I believe that this is the second element that has finally convinced the power that it needed to count with a certain opposition in front of the elections that are being prepared. The meeting of December 14th about our own resignation from the parliament and about the trip that we took within the country and that just about started bringing up to them that something may be happening because of what movement has been becoming. By changing the scripted words, by changing the scripted words to detour, to a major turn, we can face an unorganized opposition that is sure to win. And so he instructed the National Assembly to change the constitution. This question was not inscribed to the court of the Senate, although the law asks for it. But we made a strong move and the constitution has been changed. So today, despite all the contestations, the president has promulgated the constitution revised. I have to summarize that. As soon as the president realized what's happening, first of all we have to talk about Mr. Chishikedi coming back and whatever he just said. And secondly, about the position of UNC, he realized that it's time to review and modify the constitution because that's what really could probably give him an opportunity. Therefore it was important for them to do away with the second round for the elections. When he looked at him, he saw that the first round, he could take an advantage on that because he's alone to go there. And knowing that the opposition is seriously divided in pieces and pieces, therefore going that way will give him an opportunity to get more voices. Well, the opposition didn't wait too long and they realized it. Sometimes they say when you have something wrong it could always bring some goodness out of it. Therefore, because of all these moving around the positions of the power, for the first time the opposition came together, come up to find out an agreement to see how they could move forward effectively to go against the position that is being taken by the ruling class. So a media campaign started on television to prevent the opposition, to say, be careful, Camero is not opposing.  It didn't discourage the opposition because we went to the second stage. And together we were going to raise the tone at the level of the UN mission to say the leader of the international community who had yet supported and guaranteed the global inclusive agreement that had ended in the war. And we waited for what they could raise the tone. And so we left again, the IDPs, the MLC, all of us together to say no and that we were not happy with the reaction of the international community, shy or absent. Well, this didn't at all discourage the opposition. We stood up and all together went to the United Nations presence in the Congo and took a position on that because we understood that this is to discourage the opposition. Therefore, shaking up the international community to come up to the responsibilities because we felt that there were some weaknesses or some type of not heat on behalf of the international community. Remarkable, the power said victory is not yet reassured. So we have to move on to other things. We have to modify the electoral law. Fortunately, the parliament was in recess. Otherwise, they would have just changed the constitution within an hour. What is the objective? Was it on a target?  What are they trying to obtain as objective? First of all, is to just get rid of Mr. Chisakete because they're trying to modify the law bringing the age of presidential candidates to 70, down to 70 because Mr. Chisakete is over 70. And that is an immoral act. Mr. Chisakete is going to suffer at the time to bring the age of 40 to 30 to allow President Kabila who didn't have the age to be elected. Now that this law has served him as a candidate, it's like a tree that we cut. Or the stairs that allowed you to go up, you let the stairs fall. But think about it as you should go down someday. Can you imagine when we were in power, we brought down the age from 40 to 30 and I assume I was next to him, we did it, we brought the age from 40 down to 30 to make sure that Mr. Kabila could pass on through so his candidacy could be accepted when we lowered the age. So what does it mean? Right now things are changing.  And it was Jean-Pierre Bemba who said, listen, that's okay, we could go ahead and deal with it. They are the Congolese people we understand. If it is for the peace, nevertheless, let's go ahead and bring the age to the age of 30, simple as that. The second target for those in power is to fix up some criteria that will necessarily get rid of Mr. Kameré. On that law, it will say that any political party that has not been around for over five years cannot go ahead to the election. What are they afraid of? What could we say? We really don't have much time. However, we can understand that the purpose of the power is to manipulate the laws, the electoral laws, within this time that are set for the elections. To start reacting with the communication voices or with the ambassadors. So there is a way to prevent that. I am for prevention, I am for vaccines. Let's vaccinate the power instead of this disease that is haunting it and that pushes it all to destroy what we have managed to build after discussions and negotiations with Sanctity. What is happening in Nigeria? It is, as far as I am concerned, I believe in preventing and therefore vaccinating something that is much more better to prevent than wait for it to happen. What is it? The purpose is that reducing offices, enrollment, enrolling offices for elections, where they know that there is a lot of opposition and increasing the number of voting offices where they know that the power has increased. The power has more population. That pushing our people to travel distances such as 40 kilometers to just go and vote. I would like to come back to this question since there is a lot to say about the CIE, as the state is limited. I will go to the issue of the opposition and the civil society as well as the press. I will speak about it and how the opposition is being muscled. What I am saying, we have not the same rights with the presidential political party. What happened to us? Here we were supposed to go to the GB, that's a space which used to belong to Benba's father. When we wanted to go there, they sent a police force to block us to get in. So we decided to go to the Intercontinental Hotel in Kinshasa. So they were able to influence the manager to go ahead and cut down the electricity. So we closed up the room and we had to do a meeting on the hall. However, we did provide our announcement. They are certainly some acts of intimidation and vandalism. You will see that. Recently we went to Goma and what happened was the intimidation, shooting by the police forces. And therefore you will be seeing some videos that we brought. We will distribute them here. We will start with the ladies and whatever remains we can give to the men. There is a great politicization of the army and the police. There is a great politicization of the army and the police. Army and police, instead of securizing the people, taking care of the population, protecting the borders of the country, right now the police and the army have as objectives to intimidate and mistreat the population. There is also justice. There is also the justice aspect, the laws. What happened recently with Diomindongala, one of the candidates who was arrested and judged within an hour and he has got three-year sentence of jail. And also happened with Mukon Kole, who had really not done anything at all. He is an MP, a member of parliament who has been arrested. He was at midnight, five minutes, he was charged and he is taking ten months of... What is opposition doing on that situation? There will be a lot of questions. I'll be very brief to just let me hide so I could talk and respond to your questions. That's what makes democracy a great thing. The opposition reacted quickly, vigorously on that hold-up and rejected that revision of the constitution. We have already started lobbying with the international community and our people to wake up this people through petitions to show their disapproval, but also to prevent, in other words, the electoral law. Since this electoral law, I forgot to say it, we don't just want to move at the presidential level, but at the legislative level to abandon the proportional mode, which assures a large representation of our ethnic groups and sociological and political parties to return to a mode where the strong parties and the great ethnic groups will be represented. This is a drama and a retreat. I don't think you don't mind if I ask him to start going back to some phases. So we probably have to go back a little bit. The opposition rejected the constitutional revision. We started lobbying about the revision of the law, especially on the proportional aspect. Because what's happening is just like in Egypt, the power wants to, not only the presidential power, but they also want to occupy all the positions at the level of the National Assembly. Oppositions are going to start consolidating our unity. You can ask me why, and I will answer. And how? Why? Because we have to get ready for the battle. If we go on a disorder, well, it's going to end up turning against us and then therefore losing everything. What I believe about this union? I'll come back because I only have three minutes. International community? The absence of the international community really surprised us. Because it guaranteed the accord that we signed in San City. However, we're grateful to the late acceptances of the European Union. What are we expecting from the international community when the UN forces will change its mandate? Because you're going to question about it. It's not just a trial. It's not vengeance or anger. We have a vision for the Congo. We have a dream for the Congo, for Africa and the world. We have a program. We're going to store leadership, responsible leadership. We have a plan to get out of crisis, not only on the eastern side of the Congo, but with the Great Lakes. The army aspect of it will come in top of other aspects of things. We first of all begin with the diplomatic aspect, political, and then economic. We have to chase up and find out all these minerals. Because the population that has been removed will have to come back. We have to store a special court, which will chase up and find out all those are raping women and the violence on the women. In our country we always try to set up things by saying that the judges are corrupted. Well I'm not defending those people. The whole system is corrupted. How much is given to the judicial power to operate? We have to reform the executive power. We have to reform it. Our plan also has got a sector for the development. We have demobilized all the young people who were in the rebel groups in the east, but they hid their carnitions. If they are not utilized properly, they're going to go back. The plan also includes regional cooperation. It includes military option. I hope that the questions will be answered. I had to print the text in French and English, but now I see that I have small errors. I will correct them. Tomorrow I will put them in the center to give to all those who are interested in Congo, starting with our compatriots, that I cannot forget to greet the presence of this room. They have come to listen to us. We will thank all the others who have come, who are not Congolese. It shows the interest that our country represents for humanity. I want to thank you once again for the opportunity that you have given me and for taking advantage of this prestigious tribune and talking in front of these auditions. I think we will look forward to our meeting with the questions that will be answered. I'd like to thank you, Mrs. Jennifer, and also the audience here and especially speaking in front of the Congolese audiences, and of course also everybody else who has come here. I have some documents here which we'll distribute eventually later on, because I went through it and saw some things that have to be modified a little bit, but it's really a pleasure to be here.  Thank you again. Thank you so much, Mr. Camere. Just to let you know, we're webcasting this event, so it will be available online, and if we have written documents in French and English, we'll also post those along with the video. So those will all be available to the audience here. Let's turn to Invemba for comments and response, and then the way forward. Thank you very much, and welcome Honorable Vital Camere. It's a pleasure to have you in town. I also have to let you know what you already know for sure, just how much passion and excitement you generate these days. When the invitation went out, I got a lot of emails and a lot of voicemails. One particular, somebody called and left a voicemail on my answering machine and said, I'm calling you in all civility, but I have to say that I forcefully disagree with what you're doing. This is the most ridiculous thing you can do to lend your name on a panel with Vital Camere. Did you know that he's a Burundian? So I didn't know what to do. It's kind of a message. So welcome to Washington, D.C. So I would just like to talk a little briefly, I think in the interest of time, so we'll give you more time for your questions. I think more of the meat will come from there. Kind of just a bit of the context of what we're talking about when we talk about the road ahead. In 2006, I had an opportunity to be both a reporter in eastern Congo and throughout the country. I was embedded with you and troops in Ituri, on Lake Albert, where we did a lot of patrol, trying to intercept weapons that were coming from Uganda to the militias, and did a lot of patrol in South Kyve against the Interahamwe and the FDLR with the Pakistani troops there. So I had the sense of that. I also had the chance to visit the Pansy Hospital, actually see this woman who had been raped, get a sense of that calamity that is taking place in our country. I was also able to follow a candidate on the campaign trail in Bakongo, who was running for a deputation as an MP. Later on in the same year, I was back in the second round of the elections as an observer with the Carter Center and was posted in Bandaka and Jean-Pierre Bembas territory. So I had the sense of what's happening from various perspectives, and since then I've been back several times. 2006 was a year of a lot of hope. People used to think it was the first election that Congo had organized, but actually it was not, because the last election were organized in 1965. This was the election that eventually led to the coup that brought movement to power. Those elections were deemed fair in 1965. So this is to say that there is actually a tradition of fair elections even in Congo. From 60 to 65, the Congolese ran their own elections. There were no international observers. When I arrived in 2006 for the observation, I called a friend's father and he asked me, why are you here? I said I'm here to observe the elections. He said, oh, why do you always do this kind of things? You know, it's a moot exercise. I can always tell you what the result will be and what your official statement will be. And he said, if you want, I can tell you now, or you can discuss it after a month when you finish your observation. So just tell me now. He said, well, the Carter Center will say, in spite of all the irregularities, the system was pretty much functional. It worked well. And four weeks later, the frustration actually reflected what he had said. That even as an observer, we spent a lot of time, you know, an observer is like an investigative reporter. So you spend a lot of time, in the case of the DRC, with all the various parties, most of them didn't know what they were doing except just blaming the others. So there's a lot of accusations and allegations that as an investigator, as an observer, you have to go dig out and find. So we end up spending a lot of time in the equatorial forest with the Pygmies because everybody was saying the Pygmies were not registered to vote, you know, just to give you an example. It turned out that was bogus. I remember some accusations and going to investigate the National Police. And when I arrived, my partner was American, so went to the police. They called the general. They told him these observers are here and this is what's happening. And the guy was doing intelligence for the police, spoke in Swahili. So he told the general in Swahili and with my American passport, somehow they thought I couldn't understand what was going on. So we did a lot of bias being narrated.  We were able to do the report. At the end, these reports never were used. Nevertheless, we had an election that legitimized President Joseph Kabila, who became a president, and there was a lot of hope, particularly in the parliament. So we were able to fold that parliament pretty closely and we were able to follow Vidal Camero as the president very closely. The parliament gave a lot of hope because in the case of the DRC, where there is not a strong history of political parties. There was not a lot of strong history of transparent parliamentary work. The openness with which the National Assembly ran for those few months was pretty refreshing. So all the debates were televised. The opposition leaders and deputies and MPs were allowed to bring forth their bills. So I think when you look at Congo, most people talk about the overwhelming level of problems that Congo may have. But for once, there was an element of hope. So you had the review of a mining contract with China. You had a lot of hearings. You had all these things being televised so that even there were reports that even though it had come from the IMP, the Presidential Coalition, these people were not very happy. The rest of the country was happy because these things are working. But the challenge then became even though these things were happening and it was televised, it never actually led to anywhere. So if we had hearings, then what happened after the hearing? So does it become just a much exercise in the sense people are doing things because it feels good? And on the form level, it's great. But the form, the substance is lacking. So we had about two years of this period where interpellation after interpellation, hearing after hearing, the Minister came true, but nothing really happened. But at the same time, it gave a certain momentum because this is where we saw, for instance, with the Chinese mining contract. Some review were pushed, but again, it didn't go very far. After the Bundudak, the Akongo protestation and manifestation and revolt took place in Bakongo, the Minister of the Interior at the time thought he could just go to Kong to the Parliament and build those his way through and get some results in favor of the government. But unfortunately for him, there was certain openness in Parliament which allowed the leader of that party, the BDK, to rebut the Minister of the Interior. So he was able to unravel the Minister's argument because there was a certain openness and I think this actually led to the undoing the Minister himself because when the Rima Nima took place after that, he was out. So moving on to the next level and that is what do we do then with the opposition when the government is so bent, or should I say the IMP is so bent on taking the lion's share and not even leaving crumbles for the rest of the electorate or the people in the system. Here's the challenge. If you take any African country, and this is just a rhetorical question, take Angola, if I ask you to name any opposition leading Angola, most of you will be hard pressed to give me a name of an opposition leading Angola. That will be the same for Namibia, this will be the same for Botswana and this Botswana Namibia country that are fairly organized but you don't know them. If I ask you to name two names for the opposition leading in Congo, you will name a few. To show just the contrast how Congo is between two others, it's chaotic but it's not always that chaotic. There is room actually. The things that are happening, they may be happening in place but things are actually moving. So it's not purely a mirage in that sense. You have Tisekedi, you have UDPS, Tisekedi being the father of the democratic, the modern democratic movement in Congo. If you analyze him, he is a guy who had a lot of courage to break out from Obutu and start this great movement. Now, for whatever reason, he's never been able to capitalize on the various opportunities that came along the way. I don't know why that's UDPS to respond but UDPS nevertheless have a strong structure that makes it possible if some conditions were put together for them actually to challenge the power in place today. So on the other level, we had people like Jean-Pierre Bemba who also came to illustrate the other side of the coin. So former rebel, but very rich. And because he was rich, because he had a structure of his own, he could do what the other parties cannot do. Tisekedi has a structure in terms of population and followers but Tisekedi doesn't have money. The UDPS does not have money. They do not have a radio. In a system where a government owns the media, the government owns the security forces and everything else, and the government is actually greedy and by government I mean the AMP, it's hard to operate in that system. So UDPS will never get airtight. But if you have your own radio station and your own TV stations, then you can do that. So Bemba was able to emerge in part because of this. The power in place, but there was also possibilities that he was able to capitalize on. And of course the result we saw between the two rounds of the election that his station were looted, burned, and so on and so forth. So when we have a new party that is born, the UNC with Kamere, what does that mean? So this actually raises the new questions. Does the UNC and the other parties that will emerge in the process going forward have any structure? Right? So it's going to be, or is this going to be another exercise as we saw while you were the head of the parliament? Goodwill, popularity on the rise, but in the end does it lead anywhere? So do you have followers? I think there's a lot of frustration. Are you going to try to fill the void at Bemba left? And in that case, gain the popularity and the Moana Congo and all the other stuff that comes with it, the momentum, but still when it comes to it, you will not be able to deliver because the structure again is not there. Because of the diaspora in the room, there is an element that has been very frustrating to your fellow Congolese around the world. And that is the moratorium on citizenship. So in 2006, the Congolese overseas were very much eager to contribute. That is to vote. For whatever reason, the system made it impossible for them to vote, for various reasons with which you're very familiar. But then we found out quickly that once you were sworn in, that parliament, about 150 of you had foreign passport. So as they had foreign passport, you as the principle of the parliament, I don't know what happened, so this is a chance for you to explain to your fellow Congolese, decided not to kick these people out of parliament, as the law would have dictated, but instead to do something we've never seen anywhere in the world, to pass a moratorium on the law on citizenship. And that moratorium is still in place.


Welcome to the world of, in the world of Winooski. I'm obviously not Christine Lott, Mayor Lott, who usually hosts this show, but she was kind enough to let the Winooski School Board do a mini takeover to provide our Winooski community a little bit of an update on the Winooski Construction Project. And I'm lucky here to have two guests here, but let me give you some background information because I think people have been a little bit stressed out and may have kind of forgotten where we've come and I'm hoping to have some of our students here to kind of talk, in alumni, talk about where we're going as we start finishing up on the Winooski School Capital Project. For those who were along for the ride in 2019, our community, and I'm so thankful for the community, for helping us pass a $57.8 million school bond vote to basically help us build and rejuvenate a school. And when I joined the school board, I really thought joining a school board was like talking about how do we save the arts programs. What I didn't realize was that I was gonna be asking our community to really help support the real building and renovations and construction of a new school because we had a building that was built for 600 students and we only, and we had 800 students. And that's why we needed the construction. We had roofs that were leaking water. For some reason in the 1960s, we had built buildings without insulation so that it was really cold or really hot in the winters and summers. The boiler, this is my favorite part. The boiler was still being used from the 1950s. And if we needed, if it broke, it would have cost us a lot of money to replace it right away. Or we were hoping that someone had decommissioned their boiler so that we could ebay the parts to fix the boiler. And in that way, in that spirit of things, I tell you these things because I know the last two years have been hard, especially many people may question, why in the world with the school board and the school administration and with the teachers decide to actually continue the capital project during a pandemic? And I'm not gonna lie, what we asked for 57.8 million as of today, September, August 23rd. As of August 23rd, we're probably gonna be needing about $62 million for the project. But because we did it with COVID, because I have really talented administrators and staff, we are able to use a lot of our ESSER funds to help improve the HVAC systems, which is the heating and ventilation and AC units, that we're able to apply a lot of that money so that we might, we're not actually not gonna need, probably at this moment, to borrow the full $57.8 million. We are only gonna need to borrow 55-ish million dollars, which is gonna come at a cost savings for us. Now, people will still ask, why did you do it during COVID? Well, if we didn't do it in COVID, and let's say that we started the capital project now, I have estimates that it would have cost us about $90 to $100 million to build the school of what we have now. And so even though I recognize that it was really hard for us during this time period to deal with all the movement of the students from different classrooms to do it, I really believe that come October, there's gonna be a great big celebration and we're one of the few schools in Vermont that is gonna not have to worry about their building. The Secretary of Education actually had commissioned a report and almost 75% of the schools in Vermont were gonna need to see some form of renovation or addition. And so I think we're prepared to really like excel as a community with our new building. And I wanna make sure people understand that this is not a building just for our future and our current students. This is a building for our whole community because there is a better performing arts center. We're no more sitting on those chairs that we had got donated from St. Michael's that were over 50 years old and the cushions were coming out and stuff. And I'm gonna say this is gonna be a building where we're gonna see some of the highlighted works of our great students. And that's what I'm gonna turn it over. And I have as a special guest here as Shersti here and she's special to me a little bit here because when we were doing the capital planning project and we were doing all the tours of the schools to like kinda bring in the public to see why did we need to like do this renovation project? I remember that a school board chair at that time Michael DeCarol and I came in one day and one day there were only two students who showed up for this little school tour. And one of them was Shersti when she was in sixth grade. And I kind of, you know, looking at you right now like you're now a rising sophomore in Lewinowski High School. Can you talk about like why did you come on that tour? And do you remember the tour? Yeah, I remember going to the boiler room. I thought the tour was about like what the future of this building was but like I was kind of disappointed when you guys just showed us around the building. But it was great because we got to present it to our class afterwards and I think I remember like something about Essex doing something like we were angry at it later. Right, because I mean in many ways like the school building wasn't really preparing you for the future, right? Do you remember when we did the tour a little bit that like I actually said, hey Shersti I'm hoping that we're building a school not only for you to use as you develop it over time but I'm hoping that you'll kind of wanna stay in the community and have your children go to this school. Right, can you speak a little bit to that maybe? You don't remember and stuff. It's like, we're talking about having children and like going to school. I'm only a sophomore, you know? I know, but like, you know, do you think do you see yourself staying in Lewinowski? Yeah, I think so, because you know Lewinowski is a small community and I know like about almost everyone there. So I think because such a small community and it's very close so I would feel comfortable coming back and like in the future after I'm done with, you know, my studies and stuff to come back here and sell down. I would be like down to do that, definitely. Do you think you would have stayed if we kept the schools here? No, no, no. That's what I'm trying to get at, right? Like it was really in bad shape and I don't think people remember that, right? The classrooms were so small now it's like big and it's good. Well, so please talk about like some of your experiences now because we have renovated, we've added new space to certain things and so you've gotten to experience a little bit of the new space. Can you talk about your excitement, you know, of the school? We got AC, you know, like it's a lot better. I think that's the best part so far and all of my teachers had their own classrooms and so before like, you know, we have to be careful because the other teacher might not like what we're doing in that classroom but now like they have their own so we do whatever we want as long as the teacher in like, you know, the classroom lets us and I forgot the question. So I'm gonna add in because I think in some ways people don't understand like they think, oh, when I was older, like we didn't have AC, we didn't need to survive but with climate change, like you could, weren't the classrooms getting really, really hot without the AC at one point, like getting to 80, 90 degrees and stuff. Which I think one of the things that there was a lot of intentionality that when we built the school that we were gonna create an environment that was great for the learner, right? And when the school's too cold or too hot, do you really wanna learn in that environment? Not really. During the winter, I think there were lots of students who had blankets, like they would come in with the blankets and like wear them, you know, cause it was so cold. So actually during the construction when high school, high schoolers had to be in the elementary section, we had to sit in small chairs, small desks and it was so cold and like my cousin and would just wear blankets like every single day cause it was so cold. Or it was like either cause like, you know, what is it called? Ventilation. It was so loud. It wasn't that like before, but it was so loud and like it was so hard to hear the teacher and we also had mask on. So now because it's not like, we don't have the ventilation so loud cause we just have the AC there, you know? Not that cold, not that hot, just perfect. So we can hear our students, I mean, teachers as well. Understand? No, and it's important to realize how environment plays a part. And for those who are worried about like, hey, did we make this building green? You probably learned that we have geothermal in there. We have solar panels. And for those who are gonna be, there's a new article coming out about how Winooski did with the solar panels. But we're also making this very environmental green and cost efficient. I'm hoping this is a risky question. Did you learn about some of the things that we were making the building green and stuff? No. Oh my bad. Yeah, you should learn about how we're doing the greenness of that. But as we're coming to like finishing up, can you like tell the community, are you excited about the new school? Like, what are you looking forward to? Like, you know, is there any excitement or are you going like, are we just passing and going like, oh, it's a building? Well, right now, like the high school, the middle school, the elementary, all have their own sections. And the classroom, like I said, it's a lot bigger. And it's a lot easier because before the high school was like right there, the middle school was right there and some of the high school and middle school were confusing, you know, because we had to go back and forth and back and forth.  And I think the schedule right now is a lot more better than before because like, you know, now. Yeah, yeah, no, no. Well, as we finish, what are the things that you're most excited about about the building? The buildings? Okay, probably testing out the labs, you know? Yeah, because now we have like new equipment and like we have this thing which like cleans out the chemical. That means we can do more work because before it was limited. And I know that you have dreams if you all would be sharing this is that you have dreams of being a doctor or maybe becoming a Rhodes Scholar and stuff. Do you feel like we're building the space that allows you to accomplish those dreams? Yeah, right now, because I'm only a sophomore, I'm not there yet, you know? But like so far, everyone's been helpful and probably because I don't, I'm not really trying that much because I don't know much, but in like maybe when I'm junior or senior, I think I would be like ready because there's always someone in the community always like being like where you wanna go, what you wanna do, you know?  There's always someone trying to do that, just a student. So that's great, yeah. No, and I'm so happy that, you know, that I actually first met you when you were in sixth grade on that tour. I thought it took a lot. You were the only two students that took.  We took to you as any regular tour because we knew that you were our equals and the community member. And I'm really glad that we're being able to build this school and we can share it together. And I'm looking forward to the day when we really open and bring up the whole school when it's completely done, that you'll be there for the celebration and stuff. But I actually wanna kind of shift a little bit because when our community built this school, it was important for me to know that we weren't just building a building for the sake of a building. We were building a building that was gonna be integrated with our curriculum. And one of the things that I was proud about before I came on the school board that the school district actually worked hard on changing the curriculum. And one of the things that I realized when I'm in like Winooski is that like, we can't play the same game as some of the larger school districts because we have a smaller population. So we can't be offering all the AP classes. And that's why I was really proud when Vermont moved to flexible pathways in proficiency education. And I gotta admit, my doctorate's in education so I kind of understood this bigger picture, right? And when I heard about it, I was like, oh my God, this is innovative and this is gonna be more inclusive and more accessible to more of the population. But the hard part was, do I have proof that it worked? And that's why I brought this second guy here, Hussein Amari, who's a rising sophomore at the university of Washington who just finished his first year there. And I kind of wanted to talk to you, Hussein, about like, so, didn't we prepare you for college? And please, if you're not gonna brag about how well you did, I will. So I'll let you do the bragging here. First of all, thank you for having me, Alex. And I think growing up in Winooski and having, you know, when they're for four years, the big kind of argument being made by a lot of my peers and people that went to Winooski was, you know, it is preparing us for college. Like, we're not taking any AP classes, okay? Like, we're not doing the big thing that a lot of college kids usually do before they go on and do their study in college.  It's really not about the academic, the study, okay? In many ways, it's about the balance, okay, of life, okay? Like in the struggle that comes with that, okay?  And for me, personally, I go back to one of, you know, my graduation expectation that I had to take, that being the well-being, you know, GX, where I was all about learning a lot more about, like, my social, emotional health.  For me, the more I had to manage that, okay?    Like, my mental health, what's going on, okay, okay? Then that's gonna help me succeed, okay? And being on that campus to this day, okay? You know, I have a lot of kids, you know, who went to, like, private high schools, okay?   They didn't really have that sort of, like, you know, background of, like, you know, here's what you do when you're struggling, okay?  I'm not big into meditation at all, you know?    Doing the little things, okay? Of taking care of yourself, like, asking questions that kind of, you know, help you out, that kind of, you know, help you out in many ways. That's, like, the base on the foundation, okay? And for me personally, I can say that, you know, in many ways, that, you know, Windows did a great job in kind of, like, you know, giving me that, okay? Especially through, you know, that well-being GX. No, I appreciate hearing that, because as you know, I do work at a university and that mental health is the number one issue that's coming out, and how do I work with this next generation? I mean, a lot of this generation's coming out of COVID now, dealing with all that pressure, and the fact that our school is actually doing that is a big step to actually succeeding academically, right? Exactly, and like, you know, I feel like, in many ways, you know, our curriculum that we have at Windows Key, foresight of this whole thing coming before anybody did, okay, like, you know? Because again, like, you know, I think when, you know, we went about kind of creating it for students, it was not only about, like, what's really happening right now, what's happening in the future, okay? I don't think anybody knew what, you know, COVID was coming, but I feel like, you know, there were a lot of signs, okay, okay?    One of the many classes that, you know, you at the first year need to take, and my school is, like, you know, college one, you have to take that before you graduate. You know, for me personally, I did very well in, like, you know, math classes in Windows. You know, I had a really great teacher that were there for me and kind of, you know, gave me the help that I need, okay? But compared to a lot of, you know, kids that go to college, okay? It was not, like, the way that I, you know, went about learning math was that it was not in a very traditional way, where, like, you know, you're sitting in a class and somebody's just talking, okay? And in college, that was, that's kind of how they went about teaching, okay?  It wasn't me kind of, you know, running my own agenda, okay?  That's really big. And I don't think a lot of people kind of, you know, understand that, like, you know, the ability to be able to kind of, you know, ask questions if you need to ask questions, okay? You know, write down stuff if you need to write it down, okay? But also being able to, you know, problem solve, okay? Like, that's a really big aspect of college. I feel like a lot of, like, you know, people don't really understand it, because, like, you know, we have this mindset of, like, you know, the old traditional way of teaching where it's better, you know, sit in a class, just memorize stuff, like, and repeat it.   And you don't understand how much that warms my heart to hear you say that, because I know so many people, teachers and parents, or more parents and students are gonna be like, I don't have algebra one, I don't have algebra two, I don't have geometry, I'm learning about patterns, right? And I remember looking at those proficiency base, and I know I said I have a doctorate in education, but most people know I'm also got a BS and MS in electrical engineering, right, from Georgia Tech. And so when I looked at them, I was like, oh, yeah, they may not have geometry or, you know, like the traditional form pre-Calc and all this, but they're learning concepts that kind of prepare them for college, and to hear that you, and can I brag about your grade? I mean, I know you're not happy with it, but you did get a B plus in Calc one? Yeah, I mean, it was not the best grade, like. But it's a solid grade, and I know having studied higher ed and doing the numbers that a lot of people struggle in Calc one, and to hear that math not being your favorite subject, I know that you're like a few, I was telling both of these folks that like, this might be a famous video that's gonna come out, that I talked to a future Supreme Court justice at the bar. For her, for her. And a future, you know, medical school dean here, but it was excited for me to hear that you did well because I know that there's been a lot of complaints about the math program sometimes, right? And I agree with you about like the proficiency base education is like, it's about the student taking ownership of their learning. And that's what college is about because I often tell folks when early on, when we were talking about proficiency base education, what's the quadratic formula? And half the population won't be able to tell me what it is. And then if some did, they recited to me and go like, so what did you use it for? And that's where I lose most of the people, unless I talk to an engineer who's like, you know, love quadratic formulas and finding the zeroes and all that. But, you know, we can talk about the credentials, but like tell me like, I mean, what are the other successes? Like, I mean, I've seen you critically think. I've read some of your editorials that you did that have like mixed writing and, you know, write that. And what impressed me about all that work that you did was that I know that a lot of Winooski students early on when I was on the school board, they tell me, man, Alex, this proficiency base education is great. We do well in these like problem-based classes and all this, but we suck at standardized testing. And that scares me because that's not what education to me is about. That's not what it prepares you to be in a community. It teaches critical thinking. Like, can you talk about a little bit more about that? Yeah, yeah. One of the best class that I ever took out of Winooski was, you know, the coaching community engagement class where it was all about kind of learning how to, you know, you realize, you know, the skills that you're learning in a class and apply to, you know, real community issue. Like, you know, we did a lot of work in that class from, you know, having the mayor command and just talk about, you know, some of our work doing a lot of projects that are very community based.  But in many ways, education is all about kind of like, you know, putting that into perspective, you know, putting that into practice. And personally, I love writing.   Okay. So having that kind of, you know, route of like, where I can just, you know, put that in perspective and apply it like, you know, some, like in a setting that's outside class that was very powerful. Cause again, that's how education works. That's how education works using where you're learning in class and applying it to outside issues. Okay. You know, for me, like some of the proudest moments like that I, you know, that I've had for my college career right now, so far, it's just being able to talk to a lot of my professors and not about my grade or my, you know, kind of like, you know, assignments in that class.   So you know why I'm grinning, right? I'm grinning because like, what you're talking about is a famous Vermonter, John Dewey, educational philosopher who believed that education and action was democracy. You learn in action and I feel like you are truly embracing your inner Vermonter. Like, I hear, you know, I'm doing that thing and really doing that critical thinking and learning. And one of the things you talked about the community class, right? The culture and community. And I'm glad that you're here so you can hear some of this wisdom is that I've sat through a lot of those presentations. And one of the things that I'm always proud of is that when I go in there, I can ask questions. And I don't ask simple yes, no questions. I ask questions to see if you thought. And yes, I get my range of things, but the thing that I love about that class is that the students are starting to learn how to be empowered that they can make change in the world. Am I crazy for thinking that or, you know? No, no, no, not at all.  Like, one of them was about, you know, Islamophobia on campus during a time where like a lot of, you know, Muslim students were feeling unsafe due to an issue that took place.  It's really bad. But like, having that knowledge, okay? Okay, and, you know, the action-based empowerment, okay? That did not come from me, you know?   I feel like, you know, education should be applied and not memorized. Good, so can I brag a little bit? I'm gonna brag, like, because people, people out in the audience want to know that, okay, who's saying, what was your GPA? Like, I hear all this good stuff, but what is your GPA? My GPA? I have a solid six, 3.6 right now. Oh, that's good. Which is, you know. I know you want to do better, but that's still a good GPA, right? Yeah, you have to have, you know, three more years left and obviously I can improve it. I'm sorry, I'm gonna promote because, you know, I know that some of our legislators are watching this, so I'm making sure that they know to be on the lookout and actively looking out for you for your summer internships, but aren't you on the SGA for there? And then aren't you an editor of the newspaper, or a writer who will soon be a sports editor? Yeah, I'm doing all those things.  I have always, you know, loved writing, so currently I'm serving as a sports editor for Campus Newspaper and, yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I'm hoping that the Wanooski community can be proud of the students that were producing coming out here and because I am just, like, smiling so hard, like, and it's great because this is the time we're gonna have a building, we're gonna have the pedagogy together and really, and what's more amazing is that you actually want to come back to Vermont, right? And that's how we're gonna grow as a state. And I really do believe that, and I'm hoping that the community got a little insight on this about how we're, I really believe that we're gonna be a little, like, beacon of light for the rest of Vermont and stuff. I do want to say on a more national, more at the local level that, like, it's been six years since I've been on the school board and I'm a little bit tired and, you know, it's been a long ride and so I'm gonna be not re-running so if anybody is interested in running for a school board, you know, please don't hesitate to contact me on this because I think we're gonna lead the school in a good district and I hope that you're looking at two, like, you guys are excited. I'm not only the school building, but the students that we have. I joke in many ways that our Winooski page is gonna be start fluttering of, like, these great leaders and we did a good job. So thank you for those at Winooski for coming to in the world. I'm sure, hoping Christine Lott really got to enjoy her vacation and was all right for this little school board takeover and I hope the community really got to enjoy listening to our students. I also just wanna make a shout out to David Klinker for his shirt. These are the other rules of our students who are, you know, making their own companies and designing their own shirts. So I don't have just doctors. I don't have just future lawyers. I also have future business and entrepreneurs and fashion designers. So a lot to be proud of in Winooski. Thank you, y'all. Thank you.


I'm gonna live. I mean, not really, cause he can do a level two. Aw, that's how it works. It is? I don't know anything. How's it going everybody? Datodoy here, back with another round of Dragon Ball Fighters, Rank Batches. This time, playing a suggested team of the strongest, featuring Broly, Jiren, and Krillin. I believe the idea behind the team was like Broly's the strongest on Fusein. There was some, I think there was some... Hold on, hold on. I didn't wanna, I wanted to really focus. I'm just gonna go with this version since... Yeah, I even put Krillin in the back. So yeah, the basic idea of the team is these characters are the strongest in their relative fields, I guess. Krillin was the strongest Earthling, which I appreciate. You know, you could have gone with TN. Those are debated, but... My boy picked Krillin cause he knew I played him. No, the armor doesn't go for destructive disc. All right, what are we doing on incoming here? Blocking, blocking, blocking, 6M? We're not blocking that. We are not blocking a 6M, not in this mindset. But yeah, I recently did a worst characters video and unfortunately, just because they're the greatest in their respective fields, does not mean much. Cause Jiren and Krillin are both seen as low tier by most of the community. A lot of people thought I was, that in that video I was trying to say that Jiren and Krillin can't get wins. But no, that's totally not true. In a game like this where the tiers are so close, also I might be dead. Nah, we live it. The tiers are so close that the better player will usually always win. In a game like this, oh my God. No, you're not getting that beam. Haha, he gave it to me. Ah, well I died. I was so, I was so hungry, please. All I wanted was lunch. All I wanted was lunch, man. I gotta get Krillin out of here. I put Krillin in the back cause that was the team order, but I think we all know how I feel about Krillin's assist and his place on a team. Great point character. Shame about that assist. Oh, we blocked those. That's our turn. That is our turn for days. I think most people would get the beam assist back, so I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do what most people would do. Haha, every time it works. There are at least eight out of 10 times. There is that 20% chance that I just get absolutely bopped, but no techs. It's playing a lot of Street Fighter before this recording session. Looks like it's gonna work out for me here. We're gonna go ahead and come down. I'm not gonna switch them out. I'd rather just force this. Let's go. That should be it. One, two, three, four. Come talk to me down here. Why don't you? Oh, I thought that would kill, but we'll have to throw in an extra bar. If it, I wonder, there was definitely a way to do that meterless. Haha. Don't down heavy me. Thank you for the safe transition. Dragon rush. That was so slow. I couldn't get the button out. That was supposed to be a solar flare. He jumped over. The solar flare turned into a Kamehameha. My buttons are not safe. I'm too small. Grabs Kamehagrabs, please.  I don't think he's got the chops and he doesn't have the meter either. Oh, goodbye. Oh, we're still alive. My turn. Okay. My turn. Oh, come on. I've had to read. Dash at him. He went for it twice in a row. All right. We still have Spartan. We still have Spartan. Great chance to win. Tien. Tien, why are you a Tien player? You know I struggle with Tien's. What is this, dude? What is this hell? No. He's so focused. He knows I'm afraid of Tien players. Oh my God. Six M. I had to do it again. I can't believe I dropped it. I usually don't go for six M's with really. I try to beam through, drop it, please. Heal me, dude. I lost the Tien. I couldn't do it. I wasn't ready. I couldn't do it, dude. I wasn't ready. Oh no. Tien, why? Come here. Please rematch. I need it. I need it more than ever. Also the points on the board. Oh, 4,000 to the chest? These deposits. I forgot Jiren was on the team. Man, Broly's jumping light is seriously pretty good. It's actually kind of busted. I did most of that combo just because it felt nice. Come on, you can't play Vigita Loops. No. All right. You know what? Aim it, my switch. It actually worked. Keep him in, keep him in, keep him in. All right, keep the pressure. No. He's super dashed. I was thinking he might, but I clicked it way too late. It was coming in, Broly. And then this should kill. No, wait. I don't think this, please kill. Please. No. The Krillmeister general. I also could have gone out into a solar flare after that. We probably would have traded. And I definitely would have got recovered after it before him. Oh my goodness. Down heavy actually hits with Krillin. If you're a Krillin player, you know it's a joyous occasion. I would, I've got to get the beevises. That's what a good player would do, but I knew I was going to hit the ground. I knew I wasn't making it to the ground. Aw, I even tried to tech. I even did a little heartfelt jab. You really thought that was me, Bro? That's crazy. Okay, you're not so crazy. Damn, I felt like we had a good system going there. Reads and whatnot. I can't believe you threw a beam at me. Well, why does that not work on a cyst? I underrated you. Don't give up, Jiren. You're still here. You're still a pride trooper. He's going optimal. I appreciate this guy going for combos online like that. Important step of practice. I forgot I wasn't Broly. Something about Jiren and Broly, I confused the two a lot. Don't know why. Ooh, that was risky.  I'm feeling like, why are you worried? You got a 2-1 lead. Ah, this is why I'm worried.  Drop Broly. I got to get Broly out. Okay, that shouldn't have worked, but it did. Let's go. Oh, I thought that wasn't good. Again, I confused him with Broly. I was like, ha, ha, oh, no. That's not what I thought it was, is it? And it was not, it was not Super Dash resistant. Oh, where are you going? Damn it. No, no. If only he would have hit me. The armor move. I'm going to live. I mean, not really, because he can do a level two. Oh, that's how it works. It is. I don't know anything. I'm the world's dumbest man. I'm the world's dumbest player. No, my IQ is dropping. No, my IQ timer. No, no. Oh, good, good. My IQ is getting dangerously low there. Oh my God. I was failing. I was failing every test.  I just, I just didn't know anything. Let's go. Look at the boys. The strongest team. The strongest in every category team.  You just called this, you just had most of these guys on your team before and called it the weakest here. Why am I dragging? Shoulda 6, 2L, 2L. 2L is faster. You've got to get out of here. Go, Broly. Gryllin's got it from here. Make sure you let all the hits soak into the ways. Let's go. This is death. It's only going to be a one bar affair, maybe? Maybe two? Well, not, not. I don't know why I'm saying this. I meant, is it going to be two? And it was two. I could have cheaped out. Oh, my cat's on the table. Get off the table. There we go. Go. Oh, come on. OK, can I Broly come up? No, that's not how it works. I'm pissed. I'm mad. He got my lunch. He got my lunch. And I'm still letting him get away with this. Come on, Broly. Get mad. I'm dead. I'm dead. I'm sorry, Gryllin. I'm sorry I got you punched as well. I blame when I wasted one bar. Economically, that was unfriendly. Wow, we did not do anything with our lead. OK, I could turn this into a level three. I could do something with a level three. I'm worried that he might reverse level three for some reason. It's not like he's done anything to make me think he would do that. What you just saw right there was a man that knows a Krillin TOD, but couldn't not hit it. I also didn't have enough bar for it, but I was mostly doing it for the clout.  Destructo. Ah, it didn't work. Yeah, it didn't work. He was panicky. Let's go, baby. Oh, I love Krillin. I love Krillin in this game. Yeah. And he's going to switch me out. Is that a fuzzy? I'm not Broly. Damn it. I keep doing that because I think I'm Broly. I don't know why I think these two characters are so similar. Help. Oh, there we go. He gets some dangerous mix-ups off this as well. So let's be careful. Try to fuzzy me. I don't regret. I don't regret that. I don't regret it. I don't think. No, I definitely don't. Oh, what are you doing? Krillin's got a great post-manish game. No, he doesn't got it. He don't got it. Defense. And I might lose because Jiren's definitely my weakest character. Defense. OK, hold on. I got you. Let's go. Jiren. Jiren. I trust no one. Even dragons. Hey, my man. No dragon trusting around these parts. Damn, Jiren talking all that. Jiren talks a lot of trash for somebody that's considered one of the worst characters of the game.  Good Jiren players are amazing. Optimal, look at that. This is what practice pays off. Optimal. You'll notice I never go for that combo because forget that. I'm not doing that online. And I definitely don't go to enough offline events to bother learning it. Man, we're going to beat down. We're not dead. I don't think so anyway. Actually, TN, oh no, we probably are. Yep, TN. I don't know if that would have worked without TN, but TN definitely made it possible. All right, well, we've only hit him because technically TN takes damage, so like that. Shouldn't have clicked the button, got caught slipping up. What is it, 2-1?  All right, I'll take it. I'll take it. I don't know what else to do, honestly. I'm waiting. I was looking for a key blast in a melee world, dude. We're dead, by the way. He could have done that whenever he wanted. Maybe even one bar? No, it's got to be three. We're getting beat down. You know what? Hold on. Krillin with level three sparking. Let me make this one main Krillin come back real quick. Let's go. Come on, oh, I can't believe it registered a level three, but still, this has been a bad game for me. No, no way. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not out of the fight yet. If I still got life, I'm still in it to win it, baby. No down heavy, no way. We're just getting combo'd. The sparking effect, did it last long at all? Well, it lasted as long as it usually does, but we were getting combo'd the whole time. Well, to be fair, we should have gotten down heavy there that time. I don't know if this is going to be enough to kill, but I've been saving this. 1, 2, 3, 4, not enough. Not enough. Not enough. I should have gone with the level three for hard knockdown. Who does for still going for the optimal stuff, even when I would have died? This man is training right now. 2, 2, the final game of the set, eh? All right, loosen up the joints. Loosen up the joints. I'm going in. Broly died way too fast that time. So I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do right now. We're going armor. Let's go. I never tell a lie. No. OK. OK, I like that. I like where I'm seeing it. I can't believe my luck. Oh my goodness. I'm just going to have to take the armor off. I'm just going to have to take it off. I don't know what else to do there. Grill and assist is not helping me. Oh, no. What a bad jump.  I can't believe he went for that. Nice. All right, good, good, good. Great offense. Good stuff. Now we just need to take out Vegeta. I got a plan. Uh-oh. Uh-oh, uh-oh. Good, good, good man. He was there. He was there for that one. He was like, if I hang, nice. I'm going. So much damage. So much damage. Get me out of this. All right, Tien. How do you plan on dealing with a rabid Broly? And tell me it's not jumping. You hit a button? One, two, three, four. What's next, Tien? What's next? You're going to go, uh, uh, uh. OK, OK, understandable. Understandable. I would have done the same. Why did I do that? Guess who has two thumbs and regrets music sparking? This guy. Hey. At least two bars? OK. Well, he still has level three, which is terrible for me. We should get Jiren out as soon as possible so that we have a working assist. Yeah, we're going to have to. Oh, that's unfortunate. That was an unfortunate time for the Fran to jump. 15. We're still OK. We're still OK. We're still fine. We're dying. We're losing. We're going to lose to Tien. My confidence is dropping. I wonder if he can kill right now if he really wanted to.  Come on, don't drop that. What a huge drop. A huge drop in an absolute necessary situation. Seven bar Tien could kill me right now if he wanted to, probably. Oh, no, no, no, stop. Please stop. No, why don't you have a normal heavy? Why don't I ever remember? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes. OK. I don't take any pride in that last couple 30 seconds of a match, but whatever we got it done, baby, the strongest team has taken their first victory. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. If you did, make sure you go down below. Leave a like and subscribe to the channel. It really helps the channel out a ton. 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