Welcome to this course on Aspects of Christian Philosophy, module 19. We will continue with the discussion on David Hume's philosophy, particularly some issues which we are going to take up in this lecture are the following. We will discuss the concept of external world and the self. We have already seen that there are certain assumptions or certain basic features of Humean philosophy which emphasizes or which rather says that impressions are the starting point of all knowledge and where there are no impressions, no knowledge.  For instance, when I came to this room two days back for delivering a lecture, I essentially found the same objects here which I find today as well. There were several chairs in front of me, there is a camera, there are computers, there are several other things, they remain the same. Apparently, I would in my day to day language, I would say that it is the same room where I delivered my lecture two days back, but philosophically can we say that, that is the question, can we say that it is the same room or to say that it is the same room or the same chair which I saw yesterday or two days back or the same laptop computer which I used two days back. All these imply or presuppose that objects remain the same or some sort of a self identity of objects, they remain the same, there is a kind of continued existence of objects is presupposed. It is okay for as far as day to day conversation is concerned, it is all right to take for granted the continued existence of this world, because otherwise it is impossible for us to leave, because I saw the same person yesterday and I meet him today on the way and I greet him or I know a person for the past 10, 15 years and when I meet him today, I greet him and we talk to each other, we had a long conversation again about past memories and all that. All these are possible, because we assume that objects exist continuously, there is a continued existence of objects including persons. But if you follow the epistemological foundations or the epistemological prescriptions of empiricism, Hume is trying to remind us that this is not possible. So, philosophically speaking it is problematic to believe that objects exist number one independent of our perceptions of them, number two continued existence of objects. So, these are some of the issues which we will mainly figure in this lecture and here we can see that there is a resemblance with Buddhism in India. Buddhism also does not consider the world as we see it existing, there again the objects they have a theory called Shani Gawadha, momentariness, theory of momentariness, nothing exists more than a moment. So, what about the continuity of objects then, the continued existence which we apparently experience, how do you account for that? So, Buddhism says that it is an attribution of the mind and Hume also to a very large extent subscribes to such a conception. He says that it is the habit of the mind, there are customs, conventions which forces to speak in that way. So, again reminds us the kind of distinction which Berkeley maintained between the vulgar and the vice. I speak with the vulgar, but think with the vice, this is what Berkeley said. So, Hume also apparently refers to such kind of a distinction, when he talks about a kind of belief, he says that the belief in a continued existence of external objects is problematic. Another issue which we are going to discuss in this lecture is the notion of personal identity. When you talk about the continued existence of objects, I am basically referring to the world of objects which essentially lie outside me, but when I talk about personal identity, it is about me, it is about myself. When I say me or myself or when I say I came to this room two days back or I knew him or I studied 20 years back, I studied in that university or I know this person for the past 25 years. When I say I use this I, I apparently mean that there is a kind of continued existence, the same I who existed 25 years back exist today as well. So, here there is an assumption about the identity of the person, identity, individual identity. So, can we really talk about individual identity in this fashion, it is again as far as day to day conversation is concerned or normal day to day life is concerned, this is all right. The practical life is possible because we assume that people are maintained some sort of personal identity, but philosophically can we say that and Berkeley as we have seen would assert that as far as the external world of objects are concerned, we cannot say that they exist independent of as per perceiving them. But as long as the thinking substance or the mind the spiritual substance is concerned Berkeley is sure that it exists independently, independent of anything else it has got an existence. So, Berkeley's ontology is constitutive of ideas number one, number two, minds or spiritual substances and number three got. Now, when you come to David Hume interestingly as I mentioned in the beginning Hume actually what Hume does is he takes the empiricist logic to its logical conclusion. So, he asserts that nothing of this sort is possible, you cannot talk about the external world of objects as independently existing, number two you cannot even talk about a mind a thinking substance or a spiritual substance independent of the impressions which we hit upon. What is the mind apart from the bundle of impressions it is made up of that is the question which Hume raises that is why I mentioned Hume's position is very close to the Buddhist view which also denies a self Nairat Mewada. Now, in connection with these two major themes we would discuss his rejection of metaphysics and his advocacy of a kind of moderate form of skepticism mitigated skepticism and then the kind of importance he has given to passions or sentiment rather than to reason. So, he would say that reason is nothing, but it is subservient to sentiment this is what he ultimately concludes. So, these are the topics which we would be covering in this lecture. So, let us begin with the existence of the world and the belief in the continuing existence of bodies independently of the mind or of perception is a fundamental natural belief. As I mentioned it is quite natural for human beings to believe in this such a world and again without such a belief without such a supposition it is impossible for us to engage in the reconversation we all say that please bring that book please bring that book which I have given you two days back. So, it assumes that the book remains the same the same book which I had given you two days back. So, how can you I mean philosophically if someone question challenges this how can you say that it is the same book after all there are nothing, but impressions. So, the impression of the book I had two days back and the impression of the book which I have today are they one and the same they are after all impressions they are and they are discrete they are different you cannot say that they are one and the same, but if you go on arguing like this then day to day conversation would become impossible practical life would become impossible everything would become a meaningless chaos. So, Hume never proposes such a kind of extreme form of nihilism or skepticism though his theory amounts to that someone can logically conclude these things from him to some extent, but Hume reminds us that is not my objective I am only trying to say that or I am only trying to highlight the limitations of human rationality human reason is limited there are certain limits you cannot know certain things beyond that limit that is what Hume is trying to remind us. So, in that sense Hume and skepticism is a kind of moderate form of skepticism. Now, what is the basis of the belief in the continued existence of the world of objects that is a question which we need to primarily address and here he says that if every knowledge is derived from ideas and impressions which we have already seen which are subjective because ideas and impressions are subjective they are my ideas or my impressions and if everything is derived from ideas and impressions can we assume the existence of an external world is a question fundamentally we have only access to ideas and impressions. Ideas are the most lively and vivid kind of things which we did and ideas are the copies of that which we have explained in the previous lecture. And the external world so to say are our impressions or perceptions caused by objects of the external world. So, the question is can we say that or can you assume that there is a world outside there which causes or the objects in that world cause these impressions in us can we say really say that as we have seen Locke assumes it Locke presupposes that there is such a world the material substratum, but for Berkeley and Hume this is not the case we cannot say this as perceptions or impressions are different from objects of external world. This object in that sense so to say the quote and quote object is nothing but a complex idea something which the mind forms out of these impressions with the help of imagination and memory. See one thing is that when you discuss the contributions of these philosophers particularly Locke Berkeley and Hume you cannot devoid I mean you cannot really distance yourself from discussions on psychology in how these concepts are formed. So, it is a psychological exploration as well and Hume tells us that memory plays a very important role here imagination plays a very important role here. Because our basic building blocks are impressions and they do not say anything about the interconnectedness between one impression and the next one. So, they are atomic one is totally separated from the other they are discrete they are independent of each other, but then our belief of the extended existence or continued existence of objects presuppose that they are not discrete or rather there is something which underlie these similar these resembling impressions one impression resembles the other another one resembles the other and these resembling impressions will make a chain of events or a chain of impressions one after another succession and in that chain with the help of that chain a chain of atomic individual impressions which resemble each other the mind constructs an object with the help of imagination and memory this is what happens. So, this process is something which the mind does I mean it is natural it is a propensity of the mind to do this, but it is not there in the world or as far as I am concerned I cannot say that it is objectively there in the world as long as my objectivity is concerned I can only talk about me having impressions I have impressions that is all and ideas of course, which are copies of these impressions which my mind makes out of them and we never know this from experience as we have before us only perceptions. So, perceptions alone exist in front of us and these perceptions which are different from each other discrete perceptions would not suggest anything which would unite them into one particular object and it is impossible for us to conceive or form an idea of anything different from ideas and impressions. So, except these ideas and impressions I cannot say anything definite about the existence of anything in this world at all only ideas and impressions and the notion of primary qualities is also discarded those originals that may cause impressions. This is something which Hume follows Berkeley to a great extent it was Berkeley who actually abolished the distinction between primary qualities and secondary qualities where we have examined it in detail when we discussed Berkeley's philosophy. So, once this distinction is discarded you are also discarding the notion of originals that may cause impressions. So, along with that we are also discarding the idea of copy the idea of what you call representationalist epistemology. What are the causes of impressions are unknown? So, this is what Hume was trying to tell us Hume is trying to just remind us that the causes of impressions I do not know I know only impressions because I get them and now again about external objects whether they exist or not is unknown we cannot say anything about it. So, then again there is no evidence that the impressions are caused by external objects or by unknown substance or by ourselves or by God. So, this is again you can see there is a direct attack on Berkeley because when Berkeley encountered this problem as we have seen when Berkeley's philosophy when he criticizes he adopts some of the fundamental assumptions of Locke's empiricism and then he launches an attack on Locke and criticizes Locke and then he tries to develop his own philosophy at one particular point he encounters a crisis. Now, to resolve this crisis he introduces the concept of God we have examined this when we have discussed Berkeley's contributions. Now, this notion of God which Berkeley introduces quite interestingly to say that or to argue that it is God who arose us these impressions or these ideas or these perceptions on us. This is what Berkeley says and here what Hume says is that we cannot say this I mean what is our proof our evidence to say that God or someone else is inducing this impressions on us as long as we are concerned we can only say that we have impressions nothing else. The right approach is to limit ourselves to our impressions and ideas and observe their relations. So, philosophically this Hume proposes that this should be the right approach. So, as I have already mentioned in the previous lecture that Hume was trying to implement or apply the experimental sciences the method of experimental sciences into philosophy and that is why you know the Humean philosophy and Humean psychology are not entirely different because for Hume the basic substance to be studied the object to be analyzed is the human mind. And the method of analysis is similar to the method of experimental sciences and when you do that your philosophy becomes psychology or rather the boundary between or rather the border between philosophy and psychology is blurred. So, here again the right approach according to him is a philosophical psychological approach. Let us limit ourselves to the impressions and ideas and observe their relations and again we can never know anything about the origin of our impressions we can never know anything about the world that lie behind these impressions we cannot even know whether there is anything behind it at all. So, this is what I would characterize as Humean scepticism the nature of human scepticism Hume never says that nothing exists he only says that we have no resources we have no faculties to know whether there is anything that exists behind these impressions which we get these atomic impressions become one after another and rapid success in. So, this is what Hume's position in summary is now let us see Hume as I just mentioned does not deny the existence of body or bodies independently of our perception this is where he is slightly different from his predecessor Berkeley. For Berkeley it is categorical the denial is categorical for Berkeley only minds exist because Berkeley had as I mentioned certain other agenda here he only says that I have no faculties to know it says that we are unable to prove that body exist ask the question what is the cause which induces us to believe in the continued existence of bodies distinct from our minds and perception. So, philosophically Hume is more interested in this question. So, here again he is different from his predecessors I mean it looks very pragmatic here he says what is the cause which induces us to believe in the continued existence of bodies distinct from our minds being perceiving them. Now, the source of the notion that things continue to exist he says not the senses because we do not get our senses do not convey us this information or knowledge that objects continue to exist through that my senses tell me that there is or there are certain chairs in this room and two days back when I came to this room these chairs were there almost exactly in the same place they are lying today. So, it is true that I get this information from my senses, but ultimately what my senses reveal is only this that two days back I had sensations I had perceptions about the chairs lying in this room today I write at this moment I have sensations I have perceptions about the chairs lying there the impressions which I get, but I do not have sensations or perceptions or impressions about the sameness of these chairs I cannot say that exactly it is the same chair which was lying here two days back or I cannot even say that it is the same room because I have only impressions and impression as long as impressions are concerned one impression is different from another each impression is unique they are different they are separated they cannot be united. So, not the senses for this the senses would have to operate when they have cease to operate which is a contradiction and senses do not reveal to us bodies which are distinct from our perceptions. So, their continued existence is not something which senses are capable of revealing or senses are capable of telling us now believe in an external world again to some impressions we ascribe a distinct and continuous existence and to some not. This is another very interesting thing to some impressions we ascribe distinct and continuous existence. For example, pains and pleasures we do not attribute distinct and continuous existence for pains and pleasure they come and go they are passing we actually recognize it we acknowledge it that they are passing nature, but when it comes to figure bulk motion and solidity something which is very similar to the kind of primary qualities about which John Locke was talking about there we attribute distinct and continuous existence independently of perception and which is nothing but the basis of our belief in objects or the world of objects objects in the world. So, these distinction we have to keep in mind when you talk about our belief in the external world there are certain impressions which we attribute this continued existence while we do not attribute this continued existence to certain other impressions and again Hume tells us that this distinction itself is baseless. If one set of impressions we cannot attribute continuous existence then to no impressions no set of impressions we can attribute it because impressions are impressions whether they are about pain or pleasure or about figure or motion they are impressions and they are at the same level you cannot hierarchize them saying that one set of impressions are more important than other one set of impressions have durability or they continue to existence more than a moment. If impressions are momentary if impressions are atomic then all impressions are momentary and all impressions are atomic one has to be consistent there. So, this is where he tackles or he rather attacks this idea of external world what enables us to make this distinction Hume asked the question not the senses all impressions we get from senses are on the same footing you cannot distinguish you cannot say that once it is important or higher or different in degree than the other and not reason again because we cannot rationally justify them as we cannot infer the existence of objects from perceptions. So, reason also fails us there because from reason you cannot say that there must be something underlying the perceptions and there are objects we cannot do that. Now, it is here Hume tells us if this is the case if this is a situation from where do we get these ideas from where do we derive our ideas which constitute the belief in an external world the world of objects which we come across which we find outside of us and here he says that imagination plays a very important role in the previous lecture when we discussed the problem of causation the causal relationship A causes B heat causes warmth for example, or any sensation for that matter there is a cause effect relationship we have seen it in the previous lecture. And we have ascribed this basis of this relationship we have seen that according to Hume the basis of this relationship is nothing but custom habit of the mind. So, the mind is tempted or mind has the tendency a propensity to attribute some sort of necessary connection between two events because the mind has perceived these two events appearing one after another there is temporal succession one after another. So, always whenever there is a there is fire there is warmth there is heat. So, this experience of what you call proximity or succession of one impression with another one had tempted or had prompted the mind to imagine that there is a connection between them. Similarly, the external world also owes it existence to this propensity of the mind the propensity of the mind to imagine that objects exist continuously. The peculiar features of a certain impressions which work upon the imagination and induce us to believe in the continued and distinct existence of body is constancy number 1, number 2 coherence I repeat constancy and coherence. So, these two are something which prompt the mind to believe in a world of objects which exist continuously. So, what is constancy and coherence the constancy explains our supposition of the distinct existence of bodies things have always appeared to me in the same order. We have constantly recurring similar impressions on the other hand coherence gives rise to the supposition of the continuous existence of objects. Constancy where you know there is a distinction, but here there is a continuous existence of objects bodies exhibit coherence even when they change their position and qualities. So, when I see this chair situated in front of me here in this particular room and tomorrow when I go to another room and I find the same chair there with all the features exactly the same I would recognize this as that chair which I had seen in that room. So, what is it what enables me to do that. So, there is a coherence bodies exhibit coherence even when they change their position and qualities. So, this is something which enables me to believe in the continued existence of objects. See if you watch closely we can see that our observation would reveal to us that there are some changes the bodies definitely undergo some changes. The object which I am using today my pen for example, or for that matter anything any object which I use today after several years four or five years computer which I am using today would have changed a lot, but I would still recognize it as that computer which I had used five years back. In spite of the changes it has undergone it might have changed its color a little bit or some of its features have changed its appearance is different still I recognize it as the same computer which I bought five years back that is because of this quality of coherence and constancy. So, continued existence of objects mind observes a uniformity or coherence among impressions propensity to render this uniformity as complete as possible. There is this tendency for the human mind to render this uniformity as complete as possible. So, it is a same object I would say in spite of some minute differences between the impressions which I had earlier and which I have today I assert that there is similarity to look up on the interrupted perceptions as the same. So, again memory plays a very important role this is what I said in the beginning imagination along with memory. Memory plays a very crucial role here it helps to maintain this continuity in imagination because my memory tells me that oh it is this object I have already stored an image of that object the object exist as an image in the memory. And then there is a resemblance between what I see today at right now the impression I have right now. So, this similarity this resemblance between these impression which I have right now and the image I have preserved in my memory enables me to conclude that it is one and the same object. The interruptions in the appearance of similar perceptions is not an obstacle in forming the image of the object in imagination. So, the interruptions in the appearance of similar perceptions I have already mentioned there could be some interruptions in the perceptions they are not obstacles in forming the image of the object in imagination. So, my imagination has the peculiar ability to detect discount all those minor differences and unite the similarities the commonalities and put it under one heading and call it an object. So, here again you can see that Hume also refers to the distinction between vulgar opinion and philosophical opinions or philosophical systems. So, what like his predecessor Berkeley who famously stated that I will speak with the vulgar, but I think with the wise. So, here he also talks about something very similar to that the vulgar opinions are unreflective perceptions are only objects. So, there is no thinking about whether the perceptions which I receive are different from objects or one and the same I just take it for granted then again material objects are what they perceive them to be. So, these are quite unreflective propensity to assume their continued existence and philosophical systems what happens is there is a distinction between interrupted and mind dependent perceptions and continuous and independent objects. So, philosophy makes that distinction, belief in object invites problems this is something which philosophy recognizes and Locke and Berkeley are examples. Now, with this information in the background let us try to see the possibility of metaphysics in Kant. This is a problem which is going to be important here after in philosophy particularly we will see that the next philosopher whom we are going to discuss the philosophy of Immanuel Kant the possibility of metaphysics is an important issue and this is again something which Hume had invested a lot of time and energy upon to discuss this matters involved in such a conception. So, you have metaphysics and metaphysics can be roughly divided into or at least for the purpose of Hume's philosophical analysis the he talks basically talks about two aspects of metaphysics rational cosmology and rational psychology. Rational cosmology talks about cosmos about the world world of objects and talks about the original nature of the universe whether the universe is constituted of objects independent of our mind or not and Hume tells us that Hume's conclusion is that you cannot talk about the existence of an external world of objects. Of course, in our day to day conversation we take for granted its existence, but we can never take for granted its existence in the philosophical sense of the term. So, rational cosmology is impossible according to Hume. Now, when you come to rational psychology rational psychology is the science of the immaterial imperishable soul. It assumes that there is a soul which is immaterial which is indivisible which is simple and which is imperishable something which survives time and there are several other issues related to the concept of soul like personal identity I am the same person whom I was 25 years back or 30 years back and I will be the same person there is some sort of moral accountability when I say that I did it 20 years back I did it or 20 years back I went to that place I all these assume that there is some identity and there is a concept of imperishable soul because it says that even after I die my physical death from my disappearance from this world I continue to exist as a soul as an eternal soul imperishable soul. And soul the conception of soul is something which is essentially indivisible simple entity. So, these are some of the issues which Hume finds problematic and he also says that rational psychology is impossible. So, metaphysics has rational cosmology and that is rational psychology are impossible. We have to limit ourselves to our impressions and ideas metaphysics is impossible. So, he reminds us come on metaphysicians come on let us go back to the building blocks of our knowledge and the building blocks of our knowledge are impressions and ideas nothing else or percepts. So, you have to look into our perceptions when we talk about anything whether you talk about a soul or a God or a heaven or an afterlife anything you talk you have to basically refer back to these impressions and ideas the original percepts you have do these percepts do these impressions convey anything or give any information about which metaphysical entities like soul or God or anything. And since they do not say we cannot construe we cannot theorize them we cannot have a rational understanding about them no access to anything beyond impressions and ideas. So, all our rational understanding should be confined to seeing this understanding these impressions and ideas and their interrelationships no metaphysics as rational cosmology is possible no rational psychology is possible which is a science of soul no matter never mind the famous humane proposition there is no matter never mind mind also is not cannot be the established its existence cannot be established the spiritual substance. Now, before we go to the details of that a very brief look at this concept of substance which we have intensively covered in our previous lectures what Hume says is that it is pointless to ask whether perceptions in here in a material or a material substance the very notion of substance has to be overthrown according to Hume. We have no impressions which produces this idea of substance in us or rather the impressions and ideas do not say anything about such substances in which perceptions in here there is a contradiction in saying that to have an impression about something in which impressions in here that itself is a contradiction because if substance is something where impressions or perceptions in here then to have an perception or a impression about that substance is again a contradiction. Perceptions do not in here in a body as they cannot be situated in a specific place. For example, can I say that my passions my feelings my happiness has a place say for example, the seeing an ice cream creates a kind of pleasure in me that I am going to have it. So, my impression of ice cream and my impression of pleasure can I say that the impression is situated in a particular place right hand side or left hand side of that impression. So, you cannot localize it. So, the science of soul again is no impression to suggest is existence no evidence for the immateriality, indivisibility and imperishability of the soul. So, as the soul substance is universally the soul substance is traditionally conceived as immaterial imperishable and indivisible, but Hume tells us that where is the evidence where are those ideas and impressions which would suggest that the soul exist as an imperishable, indivisible and immaterial substance. We do not have such impressions at all the soul is not part of the domain of perceptions. We do not know the soul no do we know whether the soul exist or not similar to the material substance which we have already seen. We cannot say anything about their existence or non-existence the same thing is applicable in the case of material spiritual thinking substances as well. And the spiritual substances it employ the experimental method to study our understanding. So, Hume attempts to analyze the notion of spiritual substance he employs the experimental method and he says that one has to examine oneself and Hume says famously I examine myself and I stumble on some particular perceptions or other heat or cold, light or shade, low or hatred, pain or pleasure nothing else, but only this heap of or this bundle of perceptions which I encounter. So, when I examine myself I see only these perceptions one after another I come across a bundle of different perceptions which succeed one another rapidly one after another they come and go they appear and reappear. Mind is a theatre where several perceptions make their appearance. So, the metaphor of a theatre mind is compared with a theatre where in a theatre what happens is actors from different parts would appear and disappear and reappear they make their entry at their wish. Similarly, the mind is also like a theatre where impressions make their entry from nowhere to confirm that the mind is simple. I have only one assurance about my mind when I look myself I see myself as a bundle of impressions. So, there is no way nothing would suggest me nothing would tell me that there is a simple imperishable indivisible entity called mind. There is no clue about personal identity which the traditional philosophers were all talking about this notion of personal identity which is such a central concept in moral philosophy, but unfortunately if you follow the empiricist methods there is no clue to talk about it. The very notion of personal identity is based on the idea of a self that remains in a permanent state of self identity. So, as I mentioned I am the same me who were here 10 years back or 20 years back. Are there any impressions suggesting this that I am the same person? Self or person is not any one impression the very notion of self presupposes that there is a continued existence of something, but apart from these impressions where I where do I situate myself where do I locate myself apart from these various impressions I experience. There is no impression constant and invariable as a solve is constant and invariable it is an imagined construct to which are several impressions and ideas refer to. So, it is again something which imagination mind has created out of imagination. Each perception is unique as I mentioned distinct different and separable no unity or real bonds between these different impressions. So, whatever unity whatever link or bond you establish you think that these impressions have are something which are your attribution attributed by your imagination. The passing repassing and fading away impressions do not suggest the existence of a simple indivisible solve immaterial substance. There is no suggestion on self identity from these fleeting impressions there are just come and go appear disappear reappear where is that permanent something no I do not stumble upon it. Self identity is a quality we attribute to the perceptions because of the union of ideas in imagination. These ideas are united by the mind in imagination with the help of memory and other things. And why do we believe in self identity? Memory as a source of the idea of personal identity memory produces a relation of resemblance among our perceptions with the help of images of past perceptions. I have already mentioned this earlier. So, I am not elaborating it it is memory which produces a relation of resemblance among our perceptions with the help of images of past perceptions. In imagination this chain of different perceptions associated with each other due to resemblance and memory appears as a continued and persistent object. While in actuality we do not know whether such a continued existence actually is there or not. In memory perceptions are linked by association in imagination and again we end up attributing identity to what is in fact an interrupted succession of related perceptions. So, it is our mind which attributes it the identity is our attribution. Here there is a quote from Russell Hume's rejection of the self I quote it does not follow that there is no self it only follows that we cannot know whether there is or not. This conclusion is important in metaphysics as getting rid of the last surviving use of substance. It is important in theology as abolishing all supposed knowledge of the soul. It is important in the analysis of knowledge since it shows that the category of subject and object is not fundamental. In this matter of the ego Hume made an important advance on Berkeley. It is a very important observation actually summarizes Hume's rejection of metaphysics because whether it is rational cosmology or rational psychology. It says that Russell says that it has very serious and very interesting implications on these three disciplines on metaphysics on theology and on ethics. So, this is the background in which we can talk about Hume's skepticism what he actually does is he claims carrying out the empiricist program with rigorous consistency that is all. And when you look for certain knowledge we have only pure mathematics as it employs relations of ideas and do not refer to the world at all something which you have examined in the previous lecture. So, I am not elaborating it here and as far as the matters of fact are concerned there the relations rely on experimental observations and reveal only discrete distinct impressions. So, we have only discrete distinct impressions nothing else not their interconnections or necessary unions or anything except the limitation of human knowledge this is our limitation. So, there is no reason to rely on the natural propensity that perceptions or images are external objects themselves on the one hand. No reason to content that perceptions or images are caused by and represents objects we have access only to our impressions this is rejecting the philosophical view advocated by Locke and many others representationalism. There is no way we can no reason to content that perceptions or images are copies of something which lie outside. Again rejection of causal relationship which we have examined in the previous lecture causation the causality A causing B is it is again hum demonstrates that this relationship is not a necessary kind of relationship doubts the validity of inductive reasoning this again we have seen in the previous lecture induction as a relationship is rejected and no reason to believe in a mind independent world of objects no reason to believe in a self identical mind. So, this is what the summary of the two lectures which on Hume which I have delivered and this jointly conclude to a kind of Hume and skepticism where the refutation of causality and induction plays a very crucial role rather that is at the center of it natural when you refute causality and induction identifying the problem of induction natural sciences are based upon the validity of these principles. So, once you question and challenge their validity it actually challenges the very validity of natural scientific enterprises the validity of scientific knowledge denial of induction leads to scientific skepticism and because you know induction basically says that it is based on the uniformity of nature that nature works uniformly law of uniformity of nature but law of uniformity of nature is itself based on induction. So, there is a circularity involved in its propagation the sun will rise in the east tomorrow is a belief based on what we have observed in the past that sun had risen in the east in the past. So, we believe that sun will rise in the east in future as well the belief in external world is fundamentally problematic there are two theories about it propensity to believe that objects exist as we see them and the philosophical view that we only ever see mental images or copies of external objects I have already discussed this in this lecture. So, our natural reasoning process leads us to both of this I mean anything can be true either of them can be true. So, there is no way that reason tells us that only one proposition is true. So, which one is right no way to know limitation of human reason and we will conclude with this issue here that according to David Hume reasons has got certain limitations and it is the mind which has created the ideas of causality and necessity on the base of which reason operates and I quote from Hume. Recent is and ought only to be the slave of the passions and can never pretend to any other of east to serve and obey them this is from a treatise on human reason. And as I mentioned the impact of this Humean skepticism is actually severe on science theology and ethics as Russell pointed out in science induction causality and certainty are questioned which are the basis of scientific knowledge and scientific method. And in theology the cosmological argument the ontological argument and the argument from motion are also rejected because there are no impressions which would suggest that these things exist and God exist. But the severest kind of an impact of this skepticism can be found in ethics because in ethics you know the ideas of personal accountability are very important and the distinction between virtue and voice is very important. So, there should be very clear cut distinction between what is good and what is evil. So, all these distinctions should be based on something else what is the basis what are the impressions. So, Hume's question is that you cannot rationally justify you cannot rationalize ethics in that way. It is based on the distinction between facts and values reason what says as what is the case and sentiment says as what ought to be the case. So, you cannot say that this sentiment which says as what ought to be the case has any rational basis because reason has no role to play there morality is grounded in sentiment like our feeling emotions and not out reason. Role of reason is secondary to sentiment virtues are traits which we find agreeable. So, there is a kind of agreeable and disagreeable approval or disapproval all these are feelings emotions etcetera and they are not rational matters. So, this would definitely have some very serious implications I am not delving into those details right now here because we will have to discuss these issues again when we discuss Immanuel Kant's analysis of Morales. We will discuss it we will once again go back to Hume's contributions we will revisit these threats which Hume actually raised against the foundations of morality when we discuss Immanuel Kant. Now, let us conclude this lecture with one quote from again from Bertrand Russell from his history of philosophy. I quote Hume's philosophy whether true or false represents the bankruptcy of 18th century reasonableness because it basically highlights as I have been emphasizing the limitations of human reason. Hume is a skeptic to the extent to which he had highlighted or underlined the limitations of human reason he is not a nihilist in the classical sense of the term he never rejected either mind or body he only says that we have no faculties to know them. So, he was trying to highlight the limitations I read it Hume's philosophy whether true or false represents the bankruptcy of 18th century reasonableness. He arrives at the disastrous conclusion they form from experience and observation nothing is to be learnt there is no such thing as rational belief. If we believe that firearms or water refreshes it is only because it cost us too much pains to think otherwise. So, there is a kind of reference to some sort of a pragmatic consideration we cannot help believing, but no belief can be grounded in reason nor can one line of action be more rational than another since all alike are based upon irrational conviction. So, at the end we could see that Hume is a person who would by highlighting the limitations of human reason he has ruled out the possibility of finding rational right objectively true criteria to decide what is right and what is wrong. So, there is no way you have to depend completely on conventions and customs. So, does it imply or take us to a kind of if everything is if reason itself is subservient to feelings or emotions and passions then does it take us to a kind of relativism or subjectivism these are some questions which we need to raise keep in our mind when we try to understand the critical philosophy of Immanuel Kant which we will discuss in the next lecture. For this lecture we will wind up here. Thank you.


Sorenson's present older person Mitchell Ryan sasma Jerry Jones is excused Marilyn Montemayor Dave Hoffman John Matiska. All right for everyone present. Would you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? All right Prove all the minutes from our first meeting is there motion to approve the minutes from our June 23rd meeting Motion and second any discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor, please state aye Anyone opposed? Cheer votes aye. The minutes are approved All right 3.1 application for conditional use with exceptions by priority ink to install new signage at Steffano's slow food market located at seven three Excuse me seven three one Pennsylvania Avenue Steve all right. Thanks, mayor What we're taking look we have a couple of representatives from slow foods market here today priority sign and slow foods This is the new grocery store that Steffano is opening up at 731 Penn Avenue We've seen a lot of the architectural improvements. There's a lot of work. That's being done on the interior for the grocery Probably about maybe three four months ago. We approved a cooler So we've approved the store the cooler and now they're looking at the actual signage and what we're taking a look at Is seeking approval of Projecting sign five small non illuminated secondary copy wall signs and a decorative snail element on the north elevation of the building and These sides would be in addition to the Current proposed wall sign on the east elevation, which is a wall sign that would be above their entrance on the east side of the building The intent of this sign packages to help drive awareness of the location and its offerings to visitors to the down Downtown Sheboygan Steffano and priority have a long history with Sheboygan and understand the importance of ensuing a display of impactful tasteful and long-lasting signage The proposed projecting illuminated projecting sign would provide clear visibility to the main store entrance as you come in from the east or west The push-through copy of the local market closely resembles the individual letters that are preferred in the downtown area and The construction also matches the wall sign on the east side of the building for consistency in uniformity The proposed secondary wall signs are descriptors used to provide clarity to pedestrians of the offerings provided by slow food market They're smaller in size and tastefully done and in conjunction with the snail wall graphic provide a decorative element to the long blank facial along Pennsylvania Avenue the letters are non illuminated and made of aluminum They're approximately 10 feet in height and the square footage varies from about two square feet to four to five square feet there's a total of Five signs that make up approximately about 17.8 square feet of actual signage The snail element is a contemporary but yet traditional interpretation of the origin of Steffano's inspiration for the slow food market The snail adds interest and contrast to the building and complements the secondary copy The snail is reflected in the main identification signage and will be thoroughly used in the business and marketing efforts The snail logo is a digitally printed wall graphic applied to the siding the graphic used for this is a type of application Our 3m heated applied graph is with expected performance of eight to ten years Steffano and Whitney Viglietta have established a remarkable reputation within the culinary community over the past 25 years the reputation for quality Responsible business practices and stewardship have established them as a leader in shabuigan community and Slow foods market mission is to deliver healthy food choices through a community-centric downtown market that supports sustainable high-quality local organic and globally local foods So a couple things just again. They're looking at five small Copy signs and those Obviously adverse tally's produce meets deli bakery and coffee to let everyone knows know what is being offered at the market the snail wall graphic is a digitally printed wall graphic applied to the siding and The actual graphic calculation itself is about 24 square feet, but the dimensions are approximately 274 square feet the projecting sign is approximately 15 square feet and it's an interior lit advertising sign Advertising Steffano's slow food mark local market the Circular cabinet will have flat faces with digitally printed graphics in the bottom cabinet and its aluminum faces with push-through copy Plan Commission we want to ask the applicant a couple of things just time frame as far as signage to be installed and when the market You know what the status is there and when it might open The metal siding has some ribbed surfaces So maybe we just can ask the installer a little bit about the digital graphic and and it they mentioned something about eight to ten years and is there any sort of time frame or idea as to what would happen after that time frame and then Let's see here. Oh, there are a couple of variances. One is being requested to have seven wall signs requesting to install the 270 square foot snail graphic Requesting to install a 15 square foot projecting sign and then requesting to install an interior lit projecting sign And staff was recommending approval of the conditions or of the proposal and the variances and there's several conditions approval I can answer any questions in the applicants are here as well Would you like to introduce yourself and add any other commentary? Perfect. I am Tasha. I'm with priority And we are did the sign drawings and I've been working with slow food and Denise here and everyone in order to get this approved Few comments in regards to the snail graphic and it will be a vinyl and it does have the ribs So we can go inside the ribs, you know, it's a little challenging to get it all in there But it's not impossible And the lifespan basically would start to fade after you know that eight to ten years And there's a chance it could start peeling up and at that point it would need to be replaced And that's you know, just an estimate as the Sun doesn't beat on it too much We don't get a lot of great Sun so it might not be too bad And I am Denise quashus I am the store manager for slow foods market So we are super excited about it that drywall is going up and it looks more like a store now so we are Just thrilled to be I think opening in the next two months definitely before Ryder Cup. That's the plan So this is just going to be another great downtown destination for The people that live in the local community and for the visitors that are coming into the area So just very happy to be here and excited to answer any questions. You might have any questions from commissioners at all No Yeah, it's great, isn't it? All right, are there any motions I make a motion to approve subject to staff recommendations Motion by Maryland second by Trey further comments seeing none all those in favor, please state aye Anyone opposed chair votes aye. Thank you. Thank you All right next is 3.2 application for conditional use with exceptions by Ranieri's LLC to operate Sheboygan pasty company From the detached garage located at 1811 Indiana Avenue Steve. All right. Thanks, mayor John Ranieri is here from Ranieri LLC They presently operate For a kind tavern in conjunction with the Sheboygan pasty company So they're currently operating for of a kind the Sheboygan pasty company And there's a restaurant tavern rental apartment and the rental house and storage garage And so the proposed use of the site consists of converting the detached garage along the alley into a production facility To make pasties for wholesale To grocery stores and the Sheboygan pasty company No retail sales will be done at the facility only production for retail purposes square footage of the garage It's about 1,100 square feet and the production facility is about 720 square feet and the proposed storage and refrigeration area of that is 432 square feet production consists of making and rolling dough filling the pasties with desired filling Pre-baking them and refrigerating and freezing them equipment used convection on a verse burners to boil water for compartment sink They would have some hoods and a hood system dumpsters They said would be interior to the garage facility. They are looking at Removing the garage door on the west side of the building and they would be infilling that with siding a door and a window So they're just gonna match up The materials of the existing garage The current site was selected due to the adjacency of You know, they own the property they have this facility So they wanted to have the opportunity and there's commercial buildings, you know all up and down a street in this area Our is operation probably Monday through Friday 7 to 5 p.m. Currently have three employees and could Anticipate that they may have up to five to six employees There are a couple of just temporary banners located on the on the building We'll eventually have to deal with getting permanent signage compared to the banners It's staffs understanding that they're placing the garage garbage in the garage. So if if there was ever any Dumpster to be outside who just need to be screened and enclosed and then plant commision may want to have that can just address the Kind of the improvements to the building that we had talked about And other than that staff was recommending approval of the proposal subject to the conditions You have before I can answer any questions and John's here as well John won't add anything else Oh, you just turn it off. You're on Sorry about that Well, we we're looking to to expand that we're going to need none to Miesfeld's meat market when they're done with their remodel and Actually potentially get in into Stephanos When they when they open up theirs And we're currently operating out of the back kitchen at four of a kind and there's just not enough space to do that but it's It's a weird niche market that is bringing in a lot of tourism into Sheboygan I have people driving a hundred miles or more to to come and get past these because they don't have to drive another hundred miles north to get them Actually met with the Chamber of Commerce earlier today to get a bunch of brochures The handout because people are coming in spending the afternoon or the weekend in Sheboygan just to get past these But we're looking at expanding and get into markets around the state and This would really help get it that way. We're not Changing the exterior of the building other than to make it look better and Won't be using up any extra parking We're gonna be bringing jobs to the community also Cool any questions for John I see Dave Geyer You're gonna have to do quite a bit of insulation in the building it actually the old owner used to Work on antique cars in there. It's actually insulated. There's electricity run. I have to upgrade the electricity And put in an HVAC system, okay, but it's already insulated Fantastic. Well, the pasties are great keep keep it up. Awesome Marilyn do you have something? Oh, yes, thank you a new taste treat coming to Sheboygan pasties Welsh style pasties I imagine that's what they are Welsh. Yeah, they're well Cornish well Upper Peninsula of Michigan Northern Minnesota And have you talked to the health department already and yeah, okay, that's all I was checking on. Thanks Any other discussion or motions? Move to approve subject to staff recommendations second motion by Maryland second by Ryan final comments seeing none all those in favor, please state I anyone opposed chair votes. I Thanks, John. All right. Thank you. All right 3.3 resolution number 27 21 22 by older persons Mitchell pursuant to the Extra territorial plat approval jurisdiction of the city of Sheboygan approving the final plat of Lincoln Estates Subdivision in the town of Sheboygan Steve you want this one? Sure. Sure. So thanks mayor a couple of things for The new people are new members on the board is the city does have what's referred to as Extra territorial platting and what that means is any areas within three miles of the city limits Those areas in the towns have to also receive approval from the city and that being the reason for that is often times the States and the statutes and things like that our cities can annex properties from the towns And so the idea is if there was something that the city had planned whether it was a street right away or something else in those Areas that there would at least be this opportunity to review say for example We had some main street that was supposed to go through the center of there Then we could take the opportunity to say hey We're not working with you or what I have or to work with the applicant to address those types of issues So that's one of the things that we have so it's kind of one of the tools we have for annexation and future growth So in this particular case, this is over by Walmart on the north side. There's none of those things that are occurring It's the subdivision kind of on the map You can kind of see where that is and this is a subdivision in Platte in the town And so they're at they have to come in receive approval from us and so staff is going to recommend approval of this particular subdivision questions from anyone Motions from anyone Mosh by Dave second by Trey any final discussion seeing none all those in favor, please stay die Anyone opposed to your votes. I that's approved next meeting July 27th. Hey mayor Would I be able to interject something real quick? Yeah as many of you know Don sweet on had passed away and He had served on the plan commission for several years and was and the board of appeals and You know did like Lakeshore for the kids and DNM plumbing was Around for many years So just wanted to acknowledge the civil service that he had provided to the city of Sheboygan and sorry for his loss to his family Thank You Steve Chad so one final comment as we Transition out of COVID for the planning commission members all of the meetings now will be in person. There will not be any more Go-to meeting unless we get a request from committee members three days in advance for a remote meeting in 24 hours in advance from the public so Going forward. We hope that you can join us in person and we can get back to some normal See with the meetings, but the council approved and revised policy. So going forward We will not be having televised meetings and or go to meetings unless requested One more sorry about that and I forgot to include former mayor Ryan as well Acknowledged his passing and our condolences to his family. So There's been a motion to adjourn by tray Second by Ryan all those in favor of adjourning. Please stay time and you want to pose chair votes. I were adjourned at 4 17 Thanks, everyone


Hello, and welcome to this tutorial. We are going to learn how to download, install, and set up a viewer that will allow you to access the Avocon Virtual World. A viewer is your window into this virtual world, and it allows you to interact with that world and the people in it. To start off, you're going to want to open a web browser. In your address bar, you're going to want to enter www.firestormviewer.org. You can see the web address you need at the bottom of the screen. Feel free to pause the video if you need time to type it in. Once you go to the address, you should see the website currently displayed in this video. At the top of the web page, there are some menu items. We're going to click on Downloads. The website now wants to know what kind of operating system your computer uses. I'm using Windows, so I'm going to choose that one. This page looks a little more confusing, but don't worry. We're just looking for the one here on the bottom that says 4SL and OpenSim 64-bit. Go ahead and click on the red Click to Download button. Your browser will ask if you want to download, and you should go ahead and do so. Once the download is completed, go ahead and tell your browser to run the installer. Your operating system may ask if you want to let the installer run. Go ahead and tell it yes. When the installer opens, click OK, agree to the license, and then click on the Install button. The installer will ask if you want to create an entry in the Start menu. Click Yes. The installer will now begin copying files, and depending on how fast your computer is, it could take a minute or two. I'm going to flash forward a little bit in this video, so you don't have to wait for my install to complete. When it is done, you can click on the Close button. Firestorms installer will ask if you want to start Firestorm now. Go ahead and click Yes. Firestorm will initialize and start up, and eventually you should see this screen. Before we can log into the Avocon grid, we'll need to add it to Firestorm. At the top of Firestorm, you will see a Viewer menu. Go ahead and click on the Viewer menu. The menu will open, and you will see a Preferences. Click on Preferences. A new window will open up. This is the Preferences window. Along the left side, you'll see many tabs. The one we are looking for is called OpenSim. Click on OpenSim, and then, where it says Add New Grid with a text box underneath, we're going to want to type an address into the text box. The address we need to type is http colon forward slash forward slash grid dot Avocon dot org colon eight zero zero two forward slash. This video will have that address at the bottom of the screen. Make sure you enter it exactly as you see it, including all of the forward slashes. When you've typed that in, you can go ahead and click the Apply button. And then at the bottom of the Preferences window, you can click the OK button. Firestorm will now show a new home screen that shows that it has switched to the Avocon grid. You can now log in using the username and password you've been provided. That concludes this video tutorial, and we hope you found it helpful.


Everybody see me right here mountain view dodge what I have here a 2020 big horn night edition I love the black grill. This one's billet silver with the black black rims front sensors This one's also got the heating and he's seen he to stand well power pedals power folding side mirrors I got around that got the big 8.4 screen on there crew cab So lots of room back there as well the storage in the floor This one's got a spray liner It's got bad reels in here to adjust your walk down got taillights lights in the box backup camera backup sensors They block ram heads. So you're ready for your new truck.  Have a great day


Okay, right, I don't know how many hours I've tried to do this, but I'm trying compact it in 10 minutes. Here we go Hubsan H501S Hubsan H501SS Now until So probably probably be about 28 hours now they go. Hubsan official put out the differences between this and this I Would like to just add a couple of differences that they sort of missed out and also just point out the problem that I have with this to start off with The camera is terrible that is actually the image that is my bench and that is the image It's giving not very good for FPV Not very good Okay, so check gyro sensor, that's all it does. It just sits on that Okay, don't move the aircraft. I know I just did that but it makes a difference. You can sit like that for like 10 minutes Now a few differences one on this the camera protrudes out like that It's a little bit rough around the edges. I don't think it's supposed to be visible those edges They're like cold and there's the In the shell you can see there's like a cutaway and maybe there should be something nice. It's like The camera that was on the other one. Let me just back that out and you're into here That all fits nicely If it's nicely so that looks like it was all designed around components and the shell and everything this one looks like the camera has been Designed for something else and then just used on this But anyway, so there's that little bit These are a little bit more smoke As compared to these ones they claim white at the front, but that is the front and We've seen too white to me because of the way it comes through That's what it looks like as well. You know in real life. It probably looks a little bit more Pinkier than it does on there Because it looks a lot whiter in the middle of the light Then it does you know to my eyes it looks a bit pinkier in there. So there's that The antenna for here will not fit it will fit on your other controller But you'll find that you'll get a hundred yards less probably out and you'll have no control That's because The that's a female connector on the antenna and on your controller on the other type controller standard. It's a female socket So you're just not putting anything into anything I don't work very well So that's another And of course the main thing I think personally is the fact that there's a lot of hardware changes inside here So it's not all interchangable That's not such a good thing because I've been ordering parts for this and I'm not going to know until they get here Doesn't seem to be such a slow boat anymore But from China whether the parts like jets could be for this because there's none advertised This was an advertised as an SS This was just a s and the components are not being advertised as s's or SS is So the flight controller that's coming for here May not work with this. I don't know but if it doesn't work with this it will work with this and as this one seems to be fried Because I didn't look at that video. I didn't know that The flight control updates stuff that I have The latest firmware's for this Wasn't going to be suitable for this That's why that's it's stuck on this Because this did fly and the camera works fine when it's been looked through my other controller and it did fly and it was fine but when I got home last night because I Just wanted to make sure you got the latest software in it. I did have the issue I didn't realize about the antennas I put both antennas in my bag and I pulled that one out and I put it on the other controller It was giving me close up flight. It was great. I sent it out a bit. I lost control The wind was coming my way blew it back over me and I just I got clean truck I just I just dropped on the other controller. I just it wasn't very high and I just dropped the Turn the motors off. I Didn't even try to attempt anything else. I just let it drift above me and I was just waiting for it And I just went for the motors And it just turned off on Passed the controller to my mate and just quickly air-caught it. So that's all good You know, so but then I thought well because it's got a bit of an issue. I'll just do firmware update. Probably that's what it's going to be Don't wear updates It wouldn't do the update. I set up the kind of you know the toolkit to version 2 and update toolkit and It's loaded the file, but when I clicked to update it just sat there doing nothing for about 30 seconds And then just come up with a date error And that was it So I thought there's a bunch of batteries charged. I get out first thing this morning. I woke up. It was sunshiney I was straight up Straight up washed up got myself out there didn't even have breakfast And the damn thing won't fly So It's gonna have important changes on the inside To know what's gonna be suitable for repairs and what's not It's got the the camera thing and I only got to be aware of that in case you do for any reason I didn't have a battery for this. Oh And that's loose as well That actually turns now I've had one of these sent to me not a long ago because it's had a crash and I changed the shell for a YouTube view action and His camera also protruded, but it didn't move about That's got definite movement on it. Maybe it's in some sort of sponge to help You know the vibration which is okay, I suppose Because if you got any vibration from your props or anything coming from here I know there's a nice little bit of a flex in here. So that's gonna absorb some as well That'd be quite good as well. So it'd be quite interesting to see what it's like But it's up. I didn't actually have PV with it yesterday. I just had it going around In a few words with a friend just playing around with it, so Good things to be aware of Good things to be aware of. I've of course everything and I've done it within time. Yes, hold on for a second There is just something on another matter. I'm gonna connect up the the other controller Second and just show you that the cameras work fine, but just for now I just want to show you I've connected this up to a power supply okay, and I Thought I explained this when I did a video before about upgrading the batteries in the other controller And why I didn't use a buck converter And the reason why I didn't use a buck converter is because your board this controller The other controller is going to be using a certain amount of power when it runs now If you want that board to use more current You have less voltage. If you wanted to use less current, you have a higher voltage So when I put my batteries in rather than use a buck converter and convert it down to six volts I allowed it to go at the 8.4 fully charged Down to the seven point well six point nine that it would run to On the batteries and that was still being more power than what you would have had if you'd ever just pencil batteries in there But this is why this is why I show you this a basic demonstration here. So this Will run and the battery won't be beeping at you until you go one step down from seven point nine volts So if I go to seven point eight Ah So you can see that Okay But look at the amp as well. So point three six at three hundred and sixty milliamp and as I start going up the voltage Watch the current draw go down. Yeah, so we're gonna get to 12 volt. So as you if you're on a 12 volt battery You're gonna be using less current Then if you're using an 8 volt battery Yeah So that's why you use a buck converter There's one when you put the buck converter in such you're adding some more electronics to your system that it's gonna cost to be in there If it's got a ninety six ninety four ninety six percent efficiency You still lost a little bit in that conversion And then if you got LEDs on it as well You're gonna be using milliamps to be running those and as you're only using a few milliamps anyway for the entire system Why run more milliamps off on the buck converters? There's none of this to anybody out there that's wants to do that But if for me it was about conserving power for all my batteries to my controller rather than other things I went without the Buck converter one because I understand this ratio equals power and And It didn't really matter even I got to the lowest part of these particular batteries It was still enough power to fully run the controller So even when I had to sort the battery out and because it was running in tune as well It was it was going to the red when this was on seven volt and that's ideal for me because then when it's flashing Reds and there's absolutely nothing there. I know that to change the battery and it's still at Run, you know between sort of sort of six point eight and some balls, which is great So there we go. That's it. I think I'm gonna be back on my little thing and see if there's anything else to add All right, so I'm just gonna come back and do this on Seconds he's pressing that Photo button turn the power on keeping the photo button pressed in all time need for an extra second and then you'll have the bind to play I Know you can see that the camera looks fine Very careful because all these things Do you need to have a good old tiny it was after then It doesn't look that clear, but I think that's that is actually Sort of clear enough. That could be That's Try to see How clear that is or isn't that doesn't really see Look It's not focusing and my camera's focused. You can see where it says check Jira. That's focused and So the camera isn't really I'll just try to go across the top of those batteries Just pull it away now just to see if there's a point where it will focus Okay, now, let's see if this thing on the front as it seemed a bit wobbly Let's see if it's got anything to do with the focusing so Looking at that It does to my eyes it looks off focus on there It may not seem like it's that bad because by the time it gets you know rendered and then goes through the YouTube video Process I'll see my look a bit dodgy, but it doesn't look focused and that is certainly not how that camera works That camera's got a lovely lovely thing on it, so I'm just gonna put that there Just because it's easy for me to see while I just put my fingers on the front of there and just sort of moves Focus any better. Sorry if I'm not pointing at the right place All I'm doing is you're just getting a little tiny bit of pressure on this just because it has got a little time moving on just see it moves one way and Makes any difference at all to the focus and it's not It's not is it anything on the front? I can I took the sticker off because that made the difference and Well, I don't think it's as good a picture as what's on here But I won't be able to test that until it is out. So So far with this it's not been the greatest of times and I know it's probably I could Give myself a bit of a blame for not knowing that this was an SS. I Didn't want to say SS because that's Negative every time from Last century We'll start in the middle. Anyway, let's um so This It's not been very good ride so far It didn't come with these pedals either from that one because I was black And you don't need to remove the wire to the flight controller from the power board to change the shell over Just in case you know Anybody thought that was anything to do with because Hobson seems to think that maybe that was a loose wire That caused this to do what it did And I've tried to tell them that there was absolutely nothing wrong with that connection It's quite hard actually get the wire out which had to get rid of all that rubber stuff that they put on And do that clip thing and pull it out. It was all nice and fair. It was lovely but they seem to think for some reason without actually Asking me whether that seemed to be the case whether that maybe the wire was loose When this is clip the ground the wires loose. It's caused Then it the wire to burn Burn out and burn the wire completely in half the cable only one wire in the cable But at two points on two on two on two points Should probably appeal listen. No, I did it. There's a there's actually a photo. You can see on the The video I Just to show you that the video does work from here. It's not as focused I don't think as this video as his camera and I hope there is maybe some way of adjusting that or I hope that it does look better from Maybe a distance Maybe it doesn't matter if it's that Focused in but to be honest here. That's not really It's focused As the other camera, I'm going to put a bloody battery in that. No, I'm not connected because I think that still comes on Yeah Forgive the noise, but I'm hoping you can see that this camera Has a lot better focus Yeah, you can see that tiny. I mean I also You should be able to see that that's a lot better Focus and if we go those batteries again It's definitely a hard on time that one, isn't it? Yep, definitely thrown up a protest that was But it doesn't well, I don't actually have the flight controller connected now I Took the cable out, but it's still there's the same thing with the cable. They're okay. We're not so there's a Just don't know the one that's coming we'll fit into this and Thanks I was really hoping I was just gonna go to the cargo one. I was hoping the parts will be interchangeable I give a you know the motors will still be fine and the shell and stuff But it's gonna be a little hardware that you're not gonna need to swap about Especially if it comes down to the SC and the mainboard part here So Yeah There we go, but it's most definitely I did look to see the way the camera is in there because it's See the two screws That's what camera sits back into and that little plate goes across the top of it and clumps it all into place And that's why you can't move it around in there And it's gonna be the same in the other one and so you can't push the camera back Like I said, I had a repair come at night. I had to just swap the body shell over and I tried to see if I could actually push it Back for him. So it sat in there nicer But he just doesn't It's like it's just the wrong size And afterthought but not using a redesign to a different camera just using the existing camera that looks Okay, but that's not why we buy these things isn't we buy these because the sleek looks and everything and to me I don't really like it like that but other people may like it and that's that's their choice. That's fine That's I just prefer it Nice and flush or even just slightly sat in like that one Yeah, that's that's that's what I got for you on this. I hope some of this could be or may not be Could be helpful to you If you like please give a thumbs up and and I'll keep you up to date I'll let you know when the flight control board comes in with this how far I get with this Hopefully it will just go on and work And I'll keep you informed what I'm gonna say about The other one unless I just send it back because there is that with that as well. So