This meeting is being recorded. And I can share screen and pull up the agenda. Can everyone see the agenda? Yep. Yes. Okay. So our first action. Well. I'll let Phil do it because he is. I need to read the pursuit to chapter 20. Sure. Can you enlarge the agenda, Jen? Yes. Thank you. All righty. Pursuit to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. This meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so via Zoom or by telephone. See instructions below. No in-person attendees of. Members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technical logical means. Our first meeting item. Am I calling the meeting to order? All right. We'll call it at six. 36. And then. Public comment is next on the agenda. And it does not look like we have any attendees. Am I right? All right. So I guess we'll move on from that. And then HRC members report. Any report outs from anybody? No. All right. Then I guess we get to the fun part of the meeting, which is a welcome everybody. I think that we should probably go around and. Maybe have a little bit of a conversation. And then I'll let you know when we get there. And we'll do a little bit of an air purification with the town, maybe how long we've been here. Like that. To that nature. And if someone wants to go first, they can take it. I guess one of the senior members right now, which is really weird to me. But for those of you who don't know me, my name is Elizabeth. Hey good. I'm a resident of Amherst. I was. Came up here in the late 70s. I raised my two sons here. I now have five grandchildren as well. I worked at the school a total of 40 years and a lot of different capacities, mainly as a phys ed and a health teacher, but also activities director. What else? I'm a member of the Amherst Area Gospel Choir. I'm a track and field official for all over the country. I'll be leaving for Kentucky next week. I've been on the Human Rights Commission. This is my third and maybe last year, who knows? I'm up in June, so I said maybe stop panicking. I guess you just slipped that one in there, though. Okay. Phil, do you want to go next? Yeah, I was just about to say I'll go next. I'm Phil Albabula. I'm the co-chair of the Human Rights Commission, also on the DSSJC committee, as well as I work at the Amherst Survival Center and I'm the community meals coordinator over there, as well as the Jedi co-chair. And I've been in this town now since 2018, I believe. It never takes a couple months. I also have a son who attends or one of our elementary schools. I'll pass it off to you, Jen. Okay. Well, hello, everyone. I'm Jen Moisten. I grew up in Amherst. I have three children who, one is currently in the school system. The other two have graduated from the school system. I'm the assistant director to diversity equity inclusion here at the town. I've been here at the town for nine years. And in this position for the last seven months, I am also a co-chair with Philip for Jedi and I'm a board member at the Amherst... Well, I'm actually now the vice president of the board at the Amherst Survival Center. And yeah, that's me. And so now we have our new folks, which is very exciting. So we at the Human Rights Commission really like to have youth here with us because as much as we'd like to say we're hip and understand what's going on, we don't. And so we really need that perspective from the youth. And so I'm gonna go ahead and let you guys introduce yourselves and I'm gonna start with Victor. All right, hello, everyone. My name is Victor Cruz. I live in Amherst. I've been here ever since I was born, 17 years. I'm a senior at Amherst Regional High School. And this is my first and official, I guess, like town, I don't know how to say it, but basically this is like my first time actually being involved with the town officially. And I'm excited. I'm excited to voice what I have to say as well as contribute with everybody else. And yeah. Okay, Julia, thank you, Victor. And welcome, and Juliana. My name is Juliana Shepherd. I've also been in Amherst my whole life. So 17 years to give or take. I'm also a senior at the Amherst High School. This is also my first town-related meeting. And so far, it's pretty fun, it's interesting. Already been to the town clerk's office once, very cool. And I'm excited too. Excellent. And so now we have new staff. Can I just add a couple of things? Well, Juliana and Victor did not say, this is not their first go-around when it comes to social justice issues and items. They are members of Good Standing, and I believe this year officers of People of Color United at the high school. And they're also both good students and exceptional athletes. That's all. Spoken like a proud teacher. Way to go. Yeah, that's awesome. Jen Cedric's in the waiting room. Oh, yay! So, Phillip, you should now reconvene in the meeting. Alrighty. Or restate officially that one.  I did well the first time. Yeah, I'm joking. All right, welcome Cedric. We have a quorum now. So I'm gonna go ahead and read off the pursuit. Pursuit to chapter 20 of the act of 2021. This meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access this meetings may do so via Zoom or by telephone. The instructions below in-person attendees of the meetings of the member of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public may adequately access and the proceedings in real time via technological means. And Cedric, we're kind of going around introducing ourselves to our newer members. You missed that introduction from Victor and Juliana. But if you don't mind just introducing yourself, you're whatever you do with the town and all that good stuff. Hey, how we going? Hey, Vic, hey, Juliana. Hello, Pamela. Hello, Liz, Phil. Hey, Jen, how we doing? Some of y'all may know me, but if you do not know me, I'm Cedric Genay. I am from Philadelphia and I moved out here. I work in the education system. And I also, outside of that, work with teenagers and middle schoolers in athletics. And I coach as well. I am exhausted, but I'm happy to be here. Good to see y'all. And I just think we have to say that Cedric does a great job boosting the confidence of young youth, particularly our BIPOC youth, and so helping them elevate and empower them and understand their true value as a being and as an athlete. That's awesome. Thank you, Cedric. Pamela. Yeah, so I am Pamela Nolan Young. I am the new director of the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, so working with the Gen. And I have sort of a long history with Western Mass, but I haven't been in the area most recently. So I first moved to Western Mass in 1987 and I've been back and forth over the last several decades. My most recent position was at the University of Notre Dame working as the Diversity Director for the Provost Office, working with faculty and graduate students. So I've relocated to Amherst for this position and I'm very excited to be here and be back in a place that I love. And working with Jen, who has been really great to have as a teammate. And we are so pleased to have you and excited to have you here with us, Pamela and Victor and Juliana. So we are gonna do good things. Yes, thank you, everybody. And very excited to have new members and Pamela, you join us as the leader in charge over there at the town hall. Really excited about that. Our next agenda item is the Amherst Police Department video before we continue as everybody had a chance to review video and question here with police officers. Yeah, Cedric. Yeah. I have it up. Oh, yikes. I have it up if we, if you guys want to review it. I am, I'm here. I just have to grab something. So I'll be listening, but I'm right here. Do people want to view it or are we good? I've seen some pet shakes. Yes. A couple of times, so I don't need to see it, but if other people need to see it, that's fine. I think I'd benefit from seeing it again, just to kind of recap. That's fair. Jen, do you mind? Can you guys see it? No. Yeah, it's a little... We can see it, but we don't have sound. It hasn't, okay. I think the sound is still off, Jen. All right. You had, dude, I don't need to hear it if you have your rights. Because right now, you're juvenile, and you don't have rights at this point. You've lost it. Why do I not have rights? All right. You've lost it. You're not an adult. You got an ID? Why do I not have rights? Do you have an ID? No, I don't have an ID. Do you have a school ID? School ID works. You got a school ID? No, I don't have rights. Only guys do have an ID. Okay, but that's a problem. You don't get to make a call right now because we said so, because you're tamed. You can't be out right now. You repeat that again. You say we don't have rights. No, we're phrasing. No, no, no, but why am I being the king? Dude, we're talking to you. We're talking to you about the noise, and you wouldn't ID yourself. Dude, you're 16 years old. I'm waiting for 28 to come and help me with my background. Do you want to know? Do you want the answer? You're going to keep talking over me. He asked me what I'm doing. In Amherst, there are bylaws for noise. Okay? Thank you, Jen, for sharing that. And I think we'll open it up for discussion right now, kind of people's thoughts, opinions. I have lots of them, but I will open it up to the commission right now. So I have a lot of thoughts. It just like Phillip does. The first thought is, did the police happen upon these young people or were they called? What was the nature of them being questioned, detained, whatever it was? Obviously, there was some unprofessional comments. I don't know if the word unprofessional is strong enough, comments to the youth about not having any rights, which is disturbing to me. Apparently they were, according to what I overheard, something happened with their car and they were waiting for triple A. I was assuming that the police in that instance should be helping, not chastising. And the other question I have is, what has become of the two officers since this has come to light? The other thing is, when I was reading the newspaper article, it said something about not knowing how Vera got the recording. And for me, that doesn't matter. So that should be taken off the table if that's gonna be a question for anybody. And also I know because I was up talking to Jen and Ms. Pamela the other day that there was a meeting with the town manager and the question I have is, what are their findings and or positions on the video? What are they doing next? And if in fact, I hear that something that I feel like is good enough, if you will, that's happening next, I will have nothing further to say, but if I feel like there's something stronger that needs to happen, I will weigh in again. I'm done. Thank you, Liz for sharing. Pamela, do you wanna respond or do you wanna hear more questions or I mean, more statements? Yeah, I think it's probably best for everybody to ask their questions and then I'll can answer at the end. I'm happy to answer now, but it might be better off to just wait. I agree. I have some questions slash comments. So if they were having trouble with the car and they're waiting for triple A, where's the noise complaint coming from? Like, are they playing music too loud on the side of the road or something? In which case, why are they sitting on a curb being yelled at? This feels like it's already a tense situation. Your car has already broken down somewhere out in the middle of the night and now you have two police officers telling you you don't have rights. So I feel like that is really just elevating and escalating a situation that doesn't really need to be because if I was on that curb being talked to by police officers and telling me that because I'm an adult and because of whatever I may have done, I don't have rights, that would freak me out. I just wanna add to what Juliana said, coming from like this perspective of a young person, it's kind of eyeing the fact that these kids are being, or these teenagers are being kind of yelled at or like being treated as an adult, but like when it comes to thinking about do a lot of Juveniles actually have IDs? Do they really have identification with them? It's not something really common as you get older. I mean, as you get younger, sorry. And it's just very, I think it's it's kind of what Juvenile already said. It's kind of this like tense moment already. So the fact that you have these police officers, yelling at you, asking you for IDs when you clearly don't have any, it kind of just escalates.  So you're kind of in this position where you're too scared to say anything, but as we saw in the video, they were constantly questioning the police officers, asking why, why don't they have rights? Why do they need their IDs? And I just think overall, it should have been handled in a way better and not as tense manner. Thank you very much. Chair Sajik. Yeah, I just want to add a question would be just for not just on the police, but just how de-escalating the de-escalation skills, if there's a way where the police can work with teachers and deal with students so we can connect and when they run into these situations, because that's just a simple, seems like a routine de-escalation where we get like teachers deal with this a ton where, hey, students is having back and forth and you can just have like, learn how to de-escalate the situation and not escalate it like the students were saying where it's like, where it gets to a point where, okay, you have to address the situation, how can we collab and make it solve these situations until there's other people that can come and de-escalate it or things like that. But if it's going to be as of right now, what can we do right now that how we can help these officers de-escalate with students and have a conversation or have teachers willing to have these conversations or even counselors or some type of people that do these things all the time and then work with these police officers so we can just like they have some things for us, we can offer something for them as well as a school because now we know these kids and then it can be, it's much easier when you kind of have more background a little bit on the kids and then you're like, oh, okay, this is what this works with these, if you see these in those students or now we can work together instead of against the police and teachers here and town here and you have to split. We need to, it's a small town, we need to work as a unit. Now those are all really great points. Liz, do you have something to say? I was just going to say that it would have been interesting to me that both of the officers were fairly young and what was their training beforehand? And again, we don't know what happened before or after the video was rolling but what transpired beforehand, what was the call? And if the call was a noise complaint and you come upon some children and they're saying, I'm waiting for triple A, my car broke down, it could have been as simple as how can I help you or and or well, we heard that you all were making a little noise, can you just keep it down a little? And that would have squashed the whole thing. So what was their training? And given the tenure of these United States, why is it okay for them to be saying these kinds of things in this era today or last week or whenever it was? Yeah, totally. I think I'll piggyback right off there. I think that my concern is definitely with the call, right? Because as each individual for ourselves, you hear noise, whatever, why is it automatically thought, oh, I need to call the police, why are we not trying to going out there to go see that, oh, there's young people that are kind of just stuck in the middle of nowhere to offer maybe some help, to offer maybe some assistance, like, hey, do your parents know that like you're kind of stuck? Have you called AAA? Why are we not checking in on our youth as a community to go ahead and make sure that a situation can be dealt with in many different ways than calling the police officers? I think that's number one for me in that way. And then just going off of the whole video, I don't know that if there has been a human rights complaint violation yet made by anybody within town, but I definitely think that if there has not been that this commission should definitely look into that because telling someone that they have no rights to me is a very strong human rights violation because that's just what it is. Then last, I would say that the town's lack of ownership and response to the whole situation is also very concerning. There was a post the day after for to increase our PD and advertising, hiring more police officers. That is very tone depth to me on the response to the situation. And then at Monday's meeting with Paul and the town council very briefly discussed it was not a main agenda item. And I understand that they had their own agenda to go off of yet. Why are we not responding in a way that then puts this at a high priority list on their agenda because that's what it should be in our town. It should automatically jump to number one spot. And that should be the discussion of the night. And then for what I understood when I attended that meeting, it was very unclear if our new press department would be responding at all to noise complaints. And how is that going to transpire? Is that something that they will respond to? Is that something that the PD is still going to have a hand in? How does all of that work? And I think I'll leave that there. Okay, well, I will do my best to answer all of the questions raised, but if I miss something then, please remind me towards the end. So I think the first thing I'd like to say is that the Amherst police department did not receive a formal complaint from the parents of the youth that were involved or from anyone else because citizens could also file a complaint. And we are limited at the present time by the procedures that we have currently in place at times that we don't. There has been some discussion about the creation of a resident oversight board for police. And Earl has mentioned that he would also like to have Cress as part of that process, but it doesn't exist now. So we are limited by the current policies and procedures that exist for the town as far as a response or to review the incident. So in my capacity as the director of the office of diversity, equity and inclusion, I did send a request over to the Amherst police department to ask for further review of the incident. They will have to follow the collective bargaining agreement process for that review of the incident. When they do that, then they will respond back to me with more additional information. So we're at, I would describe this as a somewhat awkward point in the town where there's a desire to have other alternatives in place for review, but we're not quite at that point yet. It is very likely in the future that Cress would respond to noise complaints. I don't wanna say they're gonna respond all noise complaints because I can't make that absolute, but certainly I think had Cress been up and running, this is the type of situation where dispatch might have asked Cress to respond. Cress was not able to respond at this point because they're just in week two of their eight week programming, so they're programmed for training, so they're not up and fully running at this point. So they weren't in a position to respond to this incident. I think the incident has presented the town with a case study where we can sort of start to look at what are the protocols that we need to have in place, what other procedures need to be have in place so that during the interim time between the time that Cress is up and running and fully active and the creation of a resident oversight board, we have some other protocols or policies or procedures in place that would help both in the response to an incident like this or others in the future, as well as for what response the town might have in reviewing or overseeing an incident of this type or other incidents. So I'm gonna just see, look at my notes. I tried to take notes from my understanding is that there was a call that came into the police department from a third party complaining about noise that it wasn't that the police just happened upon the group. I don't yet know the answers to what trainings these officers have received or were offered to them. I think that will come in the response to my request for additional information. I think your questions about de-escalation training, I know that Cress has gone through or as part of their training program does have de-escalation training. I'll have to inquire about that type of training from the police department. The point or the question about the commission, whether the commission needs to file a complaint, I would probably make the argument that the inquiry that I've made might substitute for that. But obviously, as a commission, your would be free to make an additional complaint or additional inquiry. And I think those are the questions that I can respond to. If I missed a question, please ask it again. So Liz. So while I understand all of that to some degree, this is still troubling to me because it's my understanding that the video was sent to the police department and the town council. And Mr. Barkleman's office, maybe that's you Pamela, I guess. I'm not sure why there has to be a formal complaint if the chief of police have seen their officers acting in that manner, why does there need to be a formal complaint before something is done, either by suspension, stern talking to, loss of pay, more training to these two officers that responded. That does not sit well with me at all. And there should not have to be a formal complaint if you saw the video for you to know as an officer in any town that that is not the way to handle a situation, especially given young people and given the tenor of this United States in these times, that's not good enough. They should not be hiding behind some bureaucratic red tape about this, that, and the third thing before responding to what is definitely troubling to the most human beings that saw it. So I mean, I think that the answer is that in order for any sort of discipline to take place, it has to take place within the parameters of the collective bargaining agreement. And until there is a change in that structure, that it's not really going to be, I don't wanna use the word lawful, be valid, perhaps that's the best word to use. So police officers, as you know, their behavior and conduct and employment conditions are governed by a collective bargaining agreement and that would include discipline. And so the collective bargaining agreement does have a specific protocol that we as the town or as management would have to follow. And if we did not follow the procedures laid out in the collective bargaining agreement, then an officer would have a right to object and appeal any discipline or decision that was made and would have a right to appeal to the Civil Service Commission. So it's in the town's best interest to follow the collective bargaining agreement. It doesn't mean that we won't reach the outcome that so many citizens and residents desire, but it does mean that we really should be adhering to the collective bargaining agreement. Because if we stray from the collective bargaining agreement at our own peril, and by our, I mean the town, so. I understand that, but is the Chief of Police even looking into it? They don't have to make any decisions, but they could at least put out a statement to somebody saying this was disturbing to us as well and we're looking into it. Yeah, I second that. I have yet to hear any comment on the PD's end. Right. Whether that be neutral against it or it, whatever the comment is, it just leaves citizens at a point to where we're kind of just like, what going on day 15 here, 16 of Radio Silence, and that's my comment on the town council as well. So I, unfortunately I can't really speak for the cameras PD, but I think your point is well taken that some public response would have been appreciated. I think what's also concerning to me is that you bring up a good point, Pamela, that our eight responders that we're going to have from Cress may respond to some noise complaints, may not respond to them all, whatever it be, whether it be a joint effort or not. And I think it goes back to Ms. Haysgood's point of what training is being done. Are we now going to only train Cress officers in this way of responding and ignore PD's training and leave whatever's in place for them to respond in whatever way they want to respond?  So I think those are very legitimate questions. Unfortunately, I just don't know the answers to them but I'm happy to find out and inquire about the training from the embers of police department on de-escalation tactics. But at this point, I just don't know the answer. I do know that from conversations with Earl that he is in conversation with the police department about future response to noise complaints. And while I think it's likely that most of them will go to press, I'm hesitant to say all because there will probably be some situations where maybe Cress can't respond because they're at another location or there might be a situation where it's called for a joint response. So I'm hesitant to give an absolute but I know that they are definitely in conversation about what their response would be going forward. Juliana, go ahead. So do we know if anyone can file a complaint about the situation or does it have to be someone directly related to the incident? Because of all the need is a complaint. Right. So my understanding is that anyone can file a complaint and that my inquiry serves sort of as a form of that complaint. So my inquiry to the police department has gotten the ball rolling. They wouldn't be doing anything necessarily any different if a second or a third complaint can mend because they've already started their review process. Okay. Cause that officer saying to these kids that they don't have rights. I mean, you can't just do that with nothing happening cause I feel like, yes, it's really good to get that general basis of training and making sure there's a response system like Cress but also there's a personal responsibility there of each officer. And I feel like something's got to happen there. So yeah. So I think one of the things that and I don't fully know the answers to all of these questions but one of the things that I've been looking into is how we would establish the resident oversight board and how that board would interact with a new legislate, well, new legislation passed in the Commonwealth in 2020 that created the title of the legislation is post. It's actually peace office training. It's a certification that all officers in the Commonwealth have to adhere to and included in the post legislation are requirements that if there are incidents that relate to discrimination based on race, gender, just all of these protected classes, there's a mandate that those incidents be reported to the state post commission and a record would be kept for towards whether an officer would be certified or decertified, decertification would mean that an officer would not be able to be employed within the Commonwealth. So as I said, I'm just beginning to sort of dig deep into this area. I don't know fully all of the answers but I think that there may already be a mechanism in place where a complaint could go to post. I need to spend more time with the legislation to know that answer completely but there are certainly I think between what is projected for the resident oversight board and what currently exists under state law. There are some mechanisms that would allow the town to respond. Hi, I do know that Crest right now, the people that were certified as Crest responders are being trained as we speak. And the question I have is as members of the Amherst Police Department, you mentioned that there would be sometimes having joint going out on joint calls and is or will APD be part of some of those trainings in conjunction with the Crest responders? Yes, so I believe that next week the Crest responders are scheduled to do ride-alongs with the police department and there are plans for them to do some training together. I don't have the specifics of which particular sections, what topics they're being trained on but there are definitely plans in place for the Crest responders to do ride-alongs with the police and for the police to be involved in the Crest training. Thank you, Victor or Cedric, do you have anything? I guess this could go to the whole commission or even Ms. Young, but I had a question on, even though I understand that we're talking about what we could do for future cases like this about kind of who takes control or who visits the complaint, but in the meantime, what can us as a town do to help the people that were in this situation and that are kind of living with this uncertainty that they were told they have no rights as 16-year-olds and the fact that there was 10 of them too, I feel like it kind of increases this uneasy feeling that they're not safe in their own town because they're being told things like this. And I'm just kind of hoping to like open up what can we do to help them in the meantime. So that question was raised last night at the CSSJC meeting as well and I believe that the Crest responders are going to reach out to the youth that were involved in the incident as a follow-up. But so there are some people who are thinking about ways in which we can be supportive in that way. I think I just have two follow-ups. The first one is from my understanding, this police officer in question is still on control. Is that a yes or no? That I don't know. I mean, I haven't, my inquiry to the police department, see today is Wednesday. I think I made the inquiry, I don't know if it was, it may have been late on Friday afternoon of last week, but I haven't received any information and I don't know whether the person is on patrol or not on patrol. I will say, just as a matter of background, so in one of my prior jobs, I worked as a city solicitor for the city of Springfield and suspension of a police officer is not always a very immediate easy thing to do because of the collective bargaining agreement, requirements around personnel matters. So I don't know what the statuses of either of the officers involved in this case. Okay, that's fair. And desk duty, anything else other than a suspension is not on the table. At this time, I just feel like having that person out in the community without any responses, definitely concerning. So I mean, I think the takeaway is that I would wanna leave is that I don't know what actions the Amherst Police Department has taken. Certainly anything could be on the table based on, a number of different factors, the police officer's prior history and lots of things go into what would be the disciplinary process for a police officer as it would be in any employment setting. I can inquire about the status of these two officers. I simply don't have that information at this time. That's fair, thank you. Yes, if you can make that inquiry, that would be great. And then my last follow up question is timeline wise, what are we looking at for a report back? I know that you said that you made the inquiry last Friday, Wednesday. I know time takes to look at all that stuff, but. Yeah, so I would be hopeful that if not by the end of this week, that early next week, I would be receiving something back from the police officers. I did review, I can't remember, Jen might have to help me, the collective bargaining agreement for the police department. I'm not sure which day that was. So I'd have to go in and look at the timeline for, because all of these things are really by contract. So the police department supervisors would have X amount of days in which to conduct an investigation. And then there are X amount of days for an officer to respond and to have union involvement. So it's a very structured process. So I'm happy to look at the collective bargaining agreement again and share that information with the commission because it's public knowledge. It's the collecting bargaining agreement is posted on the town's website, but it is very structured. Okay. Yeah, I just, once a response is made by the PD, I would, I guess, motion suggests to this commission that we meet pretty immediately after. So that way we can create a response ourselves to whatever is reported out to this group in the larger community. I think that at the very least, if town officials and town council they're not going to make public comment or anything that as a commission, we can make that and hopefully some community members can feel that something is being done in a way that is acknowledging the severity of this incident. And then I just like to say panel, I thank you so much for the report back on all this. I know you're new to town and what a way to come to town on this issue. So really appreciate you and everything that you're doing right now. Thank you. Can I just add that I would like to see this on our agenda until we have some kind of resolution. So this should be on, you know, a follow-up should be on each meeting we have until we get something that we can either be satisfied with or need to move forward, more forward on. Yeah, agreed. Does anybody else have any other comments on this issue? Well, all right, Yvonne. Our next issue up is the HRC complaint update which Jen, about you. Me or Pamela? Pamela, you can. I can just keep talking. So we have received in the last week a new HRC complaint. Jen and I are going to be meeting with the complainant via Zoom tomorrow. And in addition, I will say that I have taken some time to review the by-law for the town of Amherst that creates the HRC process and we'll be working with Jen to create some procedures, specific procedures that outline how I don't like using the word investigation because we don't have a lot of authority to resolve a lot of issues. Basically, we have authority to mediate. So, but we'll be outlining and trying to clarify what the procedures are for how the HRC operates as far as receiving and reviewing and taking action on complaints. So that is ongoing. Got it, thank you. Will we receive any notice or anything on the complaint from tomorrow? So the complainant has asked to remain confidential and I think one of the things that we'll need to do as part of the procedures is really outline what the process would be when we receive a confidential complaint. I will tell you from past experience, confidential complaints are very, very difficult to take action on. For obvious reasons, you don't have a name complainant. The person wants to, doesn't want to disclose or disclose publicly. So what they provide in most cases is a way in which you can record and document a complaint against a specific respondent, right? So that if you get a second one of that nature, you have the first one, but it's gonna be difficult to take action on something where the person wants to remain confidential. So all of those things are, I have been reviewing some complaint procedures from other towns in the Commonwealth that also have Human Rights Commission. The most thorough one I found was from the city of Cambridge. I haven't had a chance to discuss this with Jen, but we will review all of these policies and make some recommendations for our procedures and obviously present that to this group for your input and approval. But having a confidential complaint is very difficult to take action on. My review of the bylaws, and I should also say that, I am, as you know, new and I'm reviewing all of these things for the first time and laws can be sort of complex, but my review of the bylaws gives the commission a very wide range for topics or subject matters or individuals in which might file complaints, but our authority to actually resolve a complaint is very, very narrow. Because as a commission, you don't have authority to force individuals to take a particular action. So at the very end of the bylaws, it talks about voluntary participation from the individual. So you already have the complainant, but there's nothing that would force a respondent to come in, if there's a complaint against a particular business or individual, there's nothing that we can do to subpoena or force that person to come in to respond to me as the Human Rights Director or to the board. But our last step would be to refer a complainant to appropriate state or federal agencies. So an employment complaint could be referred to MCAD or to the EEOC. So MCAD is a Mass Commission Against Discrimination and EEOC is the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. So there are definitely agencies that could take action on particular complaints. And I'm just using employment as an example, but there might be a complaint about a landlord or a hotel around public accommodations, whatever the issue might be, we would have the ability to provide information and to make a referral to an agency that would actually have the authority to take action on the complaint. Okay. Thank you. Any other comments from any other commissioners? I would just like to add that in the past and previous complaints, you know, I would say because the town doesn't have the ability to enforce anything that it really works to try to prevent it having to go to the next level of MCAD and that we also do support the individual as much as we can with getting that complaint wherever it needs to go. That's great. And thank you both for meeting with this individual tomorrow. Next on the agenda, we have an AHTF update. So that's the Amherst Affordable Housing Trust Fund and that SID was a member of the Amherst Housing Trust Fund and he's not part of our group anymore. And so we don't necessarily need someone to be a member of the Affordable Housing Trust because we can't appoint anybody from here to do that. But it would be good if somebody, since human rights like housing is a big issue in Amherst, if somebody could report back on what's going on in their meetings, if possible by just attending Do we know what date and time they usually attend? I know that's online, but I don't know if you know. Yeah, I think that they meet on, was it Wednesdays because that's why SID couldn't come? I can't quite remember. I can try and take a look online to see when they meet, but. Yeah, I think that's an important issue for any commissioner that has time to kind of hop in on that call. I think we hear a lot of housing and renting type of complaints amongst community members. Yeah, it looks like they meet Thursdays at seven by their last few agendas. Is that every Thursday or? Monthly. Okay. So that's something that I'd be interested in. I'll just get a hold of SID and see if he could send me the information when it gets it. So I can report back. That'd be great. Thank you, Liz. Then next on the agenda, we have AHRA update, a DEI update, CSSJC, ROV, and Cress update. That's a lot of updates. Well, one of the nice things that I think Well, one of the nice things about having DEI involved in this is that we can keep all of the groups aware of what's going on, right? In the different boards and committees. So, Pamela, are there any ones that you would like to take and I can take some of them or? I can take DEI and ROV. Okay, right. Yeah. So let me look and see what the AHRA. So the AHRA is the African Heritage Reparations Assembly and so we have just been in order for reparations in Amherst to occur for taxpayer dollars. We have to have special legislation because current policies prevent us from funding one specific group or targeting one group. And so we just received special legislation information from KP Law, which is the town legal council. And so they are moving that forward as well as the AHRA just applied for a grant or applied through another program at UMass for grants that would help, that would give seed money to start a solar, a small solar, I don't wanna call it farm, but a small solar, whether it's on a building or not but a solar program in which the profits or the proceeds could go back to the African-American community. So they're currently waiting to get a response back from that. CSSJC has met for the second time, Phillip is on that. They had a very robust meeting yesterday to the two youth. There's an open seat that should really be filled by a youth. So if one of you are not, you can either think of someone who could fill it or try to fill it yourself. I would just put that out there. So they're really, I don't know how many people are aware of the community safety working group but they are the continuation of the community safety working group. So the working group, it's a working group. So it has been dismantled really and the CSSJC has come to kind of follow through and to try to hold the town accountable for meeting the recommendations or some of the recommendations that were made by the CSWG. The CSWG reports, if you guys haven't seen them can be found on the CSWG page. There's also a link I believe on the CSSJC web page that will link you to the CSWG. A lot of acrimony is going on right there but I think that's it. So the diversity, equity and inclusion department actually became official on July 5th. So when Jen and I were sworn in, we have begun the process of thinking about and envisioning what a strategic plan would look like for our department and for the town. So we've started working on that. And I think we've made good progress. There's obviously there's, we have a lot more detail that we need to put in together but perhaps at the next meeting we might be able to present our DEI strategic plan. The ROB, which is the resident oversight board I have begun the process of envisioning a timeline for the establishment of the resident oversight board. I've been reviewing the data and the reports that were done or compiled and filed with the town by the CSSJ or working group, right? There are too many acronyms for me to remember but I have started to review their reports and have put together a very basic outline that I was reluctant to share publicly with the group but I would think also by the time of the next monthly meeting of this group that that document might be one that would be before enough along to be shared publicly as well. And then Earl is in here for the Cress update but we know that he feels that things are going very well with the group and that he's excited by the responders that have been selected and they are enjoying their very intense training to as much as you can and enjoy intense training but I think he feels like things are moving along at the pace that he anticipated and he is gonna be hiring for Jen you might have to help me with this but a couple of positions. There should be an implementation project manager that is really to kind of help hold the town accountable to the grant that it received. So the Cress department received a grant for $450,000 that has to be shared with the social service agency but there's a lot of in between back and forth and that's what that implementation project manager would be doing is being the liaison between DPH and the town of Amherst. And I'd also like to say for Cress, prior to the responders being sworn in and hired Earl, myself and his program assistant, Cat, went out and did some pretty intense community engagement events over different apartment complexes. So we did hit Olympia Drive, I believe it is and Village Park, we also went to Rolling Green. And so we had a pretty good turnout folks and I think they're still trying to continue to move forward with community engagement after the training process because one of the things that needs to happen with Cress is they do need people to know that they are in existence and the majority of the people that we met at these engagement events did not know that Cress was a part of, was in existence. So it does say that we need to do some good advertisement, advertising of it. So please help spread the word with the community that they are in existence, that they are a department here. And thank you both for those updates. That was great and awesome. Next on the agenda is vacancies. My imagine it's just that we got a ton of vacancies and if you know anybody, let them know to join. Yes, we do. So we went through the Human Rights Commission used to be, as I said earlier, a commission of seven, but it was hard to get a quorum. And so, they had to go to town meeting, they had to go to present it to the select board to have them at the time when we had a select board to increase the number of the membership. And so, now we kind of have to figure out how to get those seats filled. I think I know someone that is interested. So I will definitely reach out to her and see if... That would be great. And Juliana and Victor, as you are both seniors, if you're planning on going away to school or going away for job or traveling after graduation next year. So I'm talking this up in Poku and around the school and in your classrooms, especially your government classrooms, your social studies classrooms, for people who may want to join next year. Well, specifically looking for someone who would be going into their junior year next year when you all leave. So they can be there for at least a couple of years and not have to fill the vacancy each year. No pressure. And I just have to echo that and say that the importance of having youth on not just the HRC but on any of the boards and committees is really important because it's a whole perspective that we're just, you know, we're not necessarily as hip as we would like to say we are, we're not aware, right? So it's very important. So please do. Speak for yourself. Okay, girlfriends. The next on the agenda list here is the retreat, which I am not privy to ever having one, Miss Heygood. I know you, Cedric, were you ever a part of? We haven't had one yet because of COVID and we have to have it in person. And I came on during COVID, Cedric, you know, and it has not been a retreat since 2020. Wow. So none of us have been a part of it then. I have. No, actually the retreats are really good because it's a way for the commission to kind of set some goals that they want to reach for the year, right? And we've kind of been doing it annually or pre-COVID we were. And it also kind of helps drive the mission and bring people back to the actual mission of the Human Rights Commission. So we can meet in person to have a retreat. So I wanted to bring that up to the group to try to possibly figure out some dates for a retreat. You know, it's a nice day. You know, we get some breakfast, we get some lunch and we just kind of sit and it's also really good team building, particularly when we've been on Zoom for so long to actually meet people face to face. So the Human Rights Commission has basically, except for our annual Human Rights Youth Hero Awards has met only via Zoom. I think we met in person when Petua graduated, you know, but that was it. Yeah, definitely. What timeline were you thinking, Jen? And maybe we can all start throwing out some possible other timelines. Yeah, I don't know where the feedback is coming from today. So, you know, I think typically we've done it, you know, early October, just so that everything can get settled with school coming in and people can kind of get situated with their school schedules. It's usually on a weekend, a Saturday morning, Sunday morning, you know, just depends on the group. Yeah. I prefer not the holiday, just saying. Yeah. So October 10th is Indigenous People's Day. So if we're looking at an early October, where you can't go until mid-October if we want to leave that long weekend open, because we have October 1st, 8th or 15th, or if we want to have it on a Sunday, it would be October 2nd or 16th if you want to leave the long weekend open for people to get away. And so Cedric, I know that you in the fall have a football schedule that you have to meet. So it's college level nowadays. So that's Saturdays, right? Yeah. And I don't know if people attend church weekly on Sundays or not. But, you know, he's everywhere, so. Any weekend in October and if it has to be Sunday, it's fine with me. That's fine with me, too. And, yeah. Juliana? If possible, the long weekend being open would be good. Okay. So, we've got the 2nd or the 16th. Maybe do it the 2nd. Does that seem? That's good with me. Okay. Cedric? Yeah, we'll check the football schedule on that one. We'll need you. We'll need you. October? Yeah. The 2nd is a Sunday. So hopefully it's not in a weigh game when you guys aren't traveling. Yeah. Most likely. Because we just have meetings. It's every day, y'all. It's just every day. Meetings on top of meetings. But probably, yeah. Is it, what time are we thinking? All day, thank you. Yeah, I think we usually do like 9 to 1 or 9 to 2. Yeah. This is usually we have, so what happens on Saturdays? Sundays we have like a meeting. A follow up on that Sunday. Church in the morning or something. But we can figure it out. I'll figure it out. So, I mean, we can also make it later in the day, too, if that works better for you. I mean, I think I can, if it's once on Sunday, it's not like it's every Sunday, it's once on there. So it's all good. Okay. So I would say between now and mid-September, folks have things that they kind of want to expand on. I'm genuinely on it and Victor, I don't know if you guys have looked at the human rights commission bylaws that are online on the town's website. Or the mission statement, or have seen the human rights commission webpage. But I would suggest that everybody really take a look at that all and see if they have questions about it or, you know, what their vision for the human rights commission really is. Yeah, that'd be good. We can even start a kind of running agenda for the retreat also. A parking lot. Yeah. Yeah. All right, sounds good. Before we move to upcoming events. Can I just put out, I guess, talk to the group and then maybe put out a motion for this. I think that going back to the video that it would be great. If we did make some type of statement. And or complaint to ourselves as a group, I understand Pamela that you've already done so. And thank you so much for doing so. I think it also just speaks volumes at multiple organizations within the town and groups are adhering and taking the severity of this issue. And I think that that would be something we should do at least make a statement saying that we were troubled by. What was presented and looking forward to hearing from. The police department, town council. Whoever as to any follow-up to this incident. Or something like, and I don't know how. To word these kinds of things. Jennifer is much better at it than I am. But something to that effect. Are we all in agreement that a statement should go out? Yeah. See some head shakes. Thumbs up. Yep. Okay. Does anybody who want to. Try and write up a draft of that. Possibly. Take a stab at a rough draft. And I'll just throw it there. You can work in teams of two. If that makes it easier. But not more than two because then that kind of. Gets a little sticky. I'd be willing to work on it. If anybody wants to join. And I was thinking about Ben too. So you might want to reach out to Ben and see if he wants to go. Write a statement. Okay. That's great. I'm sure. Then if I have done that before, so I don't see. What issue there will be on his end, but I'll reach out to him definitely. And then we'll bring it out to the group. And do we need a. Meaning or anything to kind of put that out is. If we send it to the group. Can we just. Not a reply all. But a kind of reply to Jen. You're okay with it unless you're not. Yeah. And just so Victor and Juliana in case you know, you can never reply all. It's an open meeting law violation that. So. You guys can create something and then you can send it out to the group. You can ask your group if they have faith that the two of you can. Can, you know, create this and just kind of vote that the. Two co chairs create this letter just for Victor Pamela and Juliana. Juliana. Yes. These tend to go on the human rights commission page. If you look, there's kind of a three or four different letters of support for different events. Then we put it out on the human rights commission web page. And then we also usually put it out on the news and announcements from the town of Amherst. We can also do a press release where it goes out to the general commission. We can also do a press release where it goes out to the general press. I guess I'll leave that up to, I guess, this group could like believe Ben and 90 for sure. Ben a hundred percent sure Ben will agree to. Helping with the statement, but is. Does the group want to. See the draft before it goes out. I would probably like to see it before it goes out. Yeah. Yep. We just have to find a way so that. If it does go out or if you want changes that we're not. Violating open meeting law. So I would say go. You know, I have trusted, you know, in all the statements that we've had in the past two years. So. It's, you know, I have faith that Ben and Phillip will be able to draft something that's reasonable and. That represents what we are all feeling from our comments tonight. So. It's hard because otherwise we kind of have to schedule a meeting in between. And I don't know that, you know, this seems like it's kind of timely until the sooner or the better. But you can fill up, send it out to the group. And I would say, if anybody has any, you know, really has any oppositions to anything in the letter, then you could contact. Yeah. If anybody has any questions, you can come to me and then I can forward them to the chairs. That sounds like a great approach. If everybody is all right with that. Yep. All right. And then as far as filing a complaint, do we want to do that? Commission. Yep. Some head shakes. So. We can. I think you guys should. I don't know where that's coming from. I think we should. I think we should. I think we should. File a motion. Or create a motion for the complaint. Anybody want to motion. It starts off with. I move the motion too. And then you just fill in the blank in some seconds. It's my first time. I'm having a hard time hearing you. Sorry. What. Yes. File can play. I just want to be specific. I don't want to mess with what are we filing a complaint to. I don't want to be specific. You want to file a complaint. In regarding the incident that happened on July 5th with the APD. But say that in your own words and then restart the whole thing. Motion, a file complaint. For the situation on July 5th. And then someone would need to second that motion. I second that motion. All right, Victor. Stepping in. Open up to discussion. Discussion. I just like to, I would like to add to the motion. That. Adding somewhere in there about a human rights violation. Like to motion. And that. This commission file a complaint in regard to the July 5th. Video. From the Amherst police department. As far as this commission is concerned. As a human rights violation. Anybody else open for discussion. Points. And we'll move it on to a vote. We're voting on. Not. Motion, but on your. Yeah. Yeah. So it would be the, just the adding in of the human rights violation. It's Cedric's motion. Just. Adding in. Yep. So I'm going to suggest that we approve Cedric's. And then we approve the amended version. All right. So then there'll be two roll call votes. So this first one is going to be. On Cedric's motion. I'll just do a roll call. Liz. Yes. Juliana. Yes. Victor. Yes. And I am, I guess. And subject is. Yep. Yes. And then if we want to add in the amended part. Of human rights violation. And then we approve the amended version. And then we approve the amended version. And then we approve the amended version. And then we approve the amended part. Of human rights violation that I added in. Liz. Yes. Juliana. Yes. Victor. Yes. Cedric. Yes. And I am a yes also. And both of those votes should have done it before. Oh, those votes have one absentee. I'll get that in the minutes. Thank you. All right. So yeah, so I would just say be on the lookout for that email. I would like to get it done tomorrow, but I got a pretty busy day, but I'll. If not tomorrow night, early Friday morning. To file the complaint. No further statement. Who's filing the complaint. Anybody want to take that on. Ben's not here. Make him do it. No. I would try to check in with. With Ben to see if you guys can do that jointly as the chairs. I was going to do that for sure. In that email that I'm sending him. So we'll go ahead and get that underway. Just in the last couple of minutes here, if we can, we might go a little bit over eight couple minutes. Please. Upcoming events for heritage and cultural celebrations. I believe. It is just. Which ones are coming up? Oh, there we go. Thank you. So August is national. I don't know why I'm blanking on that right now. Civility month. A wedding month. International day of remembrance of the slate train and. I'll. Abolition. And woman's equal pay. So. Making statements. Is that what we're doing? Like Facebook posts. Yeah. If people want to make a statement, then I can post it on our Facebook page to acknowledge that it's. A heritage or cultural awareness day. Or month. That's the goal of having all of the different ones. I will say. So. If somebody wants to, to. Make a statement. Or something about national civility day or international day for remembrance of slave trade in its abolition or women's equality today. That would be great. Otherwise. I can just do a standard Facebook posts that says that it's. National civility day month day that goes on our Facebook page. Anybody want to take that on and be. Couple sentences that most. Kind of giving a. Great. Research on anybody's end. So. Take on a topic. Summarizing what it is and what we're recognizing. Yep. Yep. And if you can find like a little image or something. Do I need to have a Facebook account for this? No, you just send it to Jen, whatever you write up and Jen. We'll put it on our Facebook. We have a Facebook, by the way, for the new commissioners. And I would suggest. Following. Okay. I can take the national civility month. Awesome. Thank you. Anybody else. I could take any of the other two days. I would, I can take the women's equality day. I would like to do a little research on that. Especially given. We are in 50 years of title nine. How about it? Nope. All right. So then we'll have Liz do women's equality day and then Victor that puts you. On the 23rd. If you could just. Both of you get that in. And before those respective days. So that way she's ready to post. Yeah. I'd say like two. Like two days before. I'm enjoying on it. I guess that puts it two days before the month of August. September. Let's. I guess we probably should address that. International day of peace, the 15th. Yeah, the other things. You guys can also think of events that you would like to create to have to celebrate these days. So there are standard events that the human rights commission celebrates the Hispanic heritage month. The school. Does an event on the common every year and the town council creates a proclamation. So I've already sent the proclamation over to the school for them to go ahead and revise it for the 2022. Month. Heritage month. So. It's really about international day of peace. If somebody wants to write something up for that, I think that's in the current standing of where we are in the world is. Pretty. Good statement to put out there on our Facebook page or to acknowledge it. I can do that one too. Great. Thank you, Julianna. So you said that the high school is going to put on something for heritage month. Jennifer. I know I'm just scared like. To speak without like that noise coming back. Yes. So Martin Rivera at the high school does. It takes the lead on. On his on the Hispanic heritage month. There's also a flag raising that experience. I'm sorry, Liz, which is actually in the family center. She's not. Yep. No, you're right. She's at the family center at the middle school. Okay, great. And they have a pretty robust. Event for that day. Okay. But it's, it's less of his Hispanic heritage month than more Puerto Rican heritage. Month. I see. For her. So. The Hispanic culture is very wide or very broad and big. So we might want to just put out something. That can stay up all month on our, on the town webpage. Yeah, that'd be great. I could definitely craft something like that. But as far as. Hispanic heritage month, would this commission. Mind changing that to Latinx heritage month. I think that within the. Community, it is. Very much. Hot topic issue Hispanic. Term. So I know that the town has a lot of. Different banners, depending on some of these. But different banners that we have. How do we spend those days of awareness? And do we know which ones we have and which ones we actually. Raise. I mean, there's the, the smaller banners. That, you know, they have on the lamp posts. In town. And then there's the big banners that they have that go across the common. Across. North pleasant. North pleasant street. Do I want to say, is that the right street? I'm always amazed when I go uptown. Typically, we don't have anything that goes over the road banners. Road banners are pretty expensive. Not to say that we shouldn't, but we don't have anything that goes over the road banner except for for Juneteenth. Then Juneteenth is the only one where we have the flags that go on the actual lamppost. Typically, what Martha does is she has the Puerto Rican heritage flag, and so it flies on the smaller flagpole here in front of town hall with the Nash. It's the blue one. The United Nations flag, it flies underneath the United Nations flag. Typically, when the town has a flag raising ceremony, we use the smaller flagpole with the United Nations flag on it. So it was up for like, we do one for Black History Month. We do it for Child Abuse Awareness Month. We do one for Puerto Rican Heritage Month pride. Almost, just about almost every month, there's one that's there. John, I'll connect with you. I'll go ahead, Victor. I was just going to ask for the Latino Heritage Month. If the town works at all at changing the language of the statement to make it for those that are perceiving it to feel more inclusive about it, if that makes sense. So I think that was similar to what Philip was talking about. And so in whatever thing that is drafted that we post, we can enclose that in there. Marta is the proclamation that Marta does is for Puerto Rican Heritage Month. I don't I I'm not sure how that works out, how there's one out of multi. So that's something that we can work on and discuss or even speak to Dr. Rivera, sorry, about it as well. We can reach out and see how how that works out. But we can also create an event. And I know that there are lots of businesses that would help support that. I think if we create an event for that day, kind of like we did for Juneteenth. Jen, that might actually go over super well. Yeah, I think so, too. And because it's, you know, September through October, we can just kind of pick an in right in the middle. Yeah, I think that on a weekend day. Yeah, I don't mind helping out with that planning. Yeah, so we should probably have, and I'm only going to say this, Juliana and Victor, you're due a lot of times that a lot of stuff falls on me. And then I end up creating this whole event. So I'm going to reach out to this group to say that we should definitely create a little subcommittee to kind of help create this event. Yeah, definitely. I think that'd be great. If anybody wants to join that, I will definitely be a part of that subcommittee. I'm interested in helping out. I can do anything on my part. You know, we should reach out to just, I guess, we'll have a subcommittee time, but that's also in the park. People are being great. Collaborate with them to get them down. Yeah. All right. So Victor. And me. And maybe. We give you an email if you want to join that subcommittee. Just send out an email to Jen. Yeah. And then other than that, I think that that gives us time. To then for our next meeting in August to look at the October. Events and thank you everybody for staying on. Couple minutes past eight. Really appreciate that. And unless there's anything else anybody wants to talk about. I think we should adjourn. Jen. I just, okay. We should determine the next meeting time. Wednesday's good for folks six o'clock work for folks. Wednesday's fine with me and works. Said. Drake. Now I'll be in chair at that time. Unless it's early in the first week. August. Wednesday's is good for me. I mean. My schedule gets scattered starting in November. So it doesn't really matter what day you put it on. Every day. So. Join in late. But. Okay. Is that a week camp or like all. Every day camp. Yeah. Summer. Yeah. Okay. Like a month long camp then. Got it. Yeah. Every Henry. Okay. I'm sorry. I did that by mistake, but I. I did want to make a suggestion if that's okay, which is that. That the recruitment efforts. Really work that you try in vain to, to get. New members before the retreat, because it would be wonderful to have new members. Before the retreat. And then the other thing that I noticed is so. Liz had volunteered to join the affordable or to attend the affordable. Amherst affordable housing trust. And I wondered whether there might be a list of organizations that you might solicit members from. So that. You get to pull some people in from, from that group as opposed to. Yeah, I don't know. Those were just a couple of thoughts that I had. Yeah, those are great thoughts. I think. That. That brings up a good point like. Especially other. Committees and. People that are already volunteering their time. Maybe they'd be willing to volunteer a little bit more time. Elsewhere. So yeah, that's a great idea. Well, then it seems like. You're saying that you're basically out the whole month of August. So I would say then. You guys would either have to pick the first week of August or anytime in August because. Of Cedric schedule, and then we would really. Want to make sure we can get Ben here. Yeah. I think. For the purposes of moving forward, I think. I'll reach out to Ben and see. If he can make any other time later in August. So that way we at least have a quorum. And if not, then we might move to the first week. If everybody is fine with that. I'm just going to say on the. I'm on vacation until the fourth. But that's fine because Pamela is. If we're talking about the first week in August, I'm away from the. Seven through the 10th. Yeah. And I'm. Driving back from Maryland on the third. So I definitely don't think I can hop on. If you do it the first or second, I can. Okay. I will. Out an email to Ben and then I'll connect with you, Jen, to send out something, whatever it lands on. All right. Well, thank you everybody. And unless there is something else. Then this meeting will be. Adjourned at eight 15. I just need someone to second. I need someone to second that please. Second. Perfect. All right, guys. Victor and Juliana. Great. First meeting. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Have a good night, everyone. Everybody have a good night. Good night, everybody. Good night, everybody. Good night. Thank you. All right. Have a good night, everyone. Have a good night. Night, everybody. Good night, everybody.