Hello everyone and welcome to Smokes to the Urban Cycling Institute podcast and on today's show we have with us here Chris and Melissa Bruntlett were the authors of the very well-selling book Building the Cycling City the Dutch Blueprint for Urban Vitality. Thank you. I failed a few times that remembering that title so you two have been here for Nine months now in this country coming from Canada, right? Show them your gloves Chris They were actually a gift from the mayor of Ottawa. Yeah who was in the Hague for a Bit of a study tour so he came bearing gifts for the entire Dutch delegation and I explained to him why there was a Canadian there to Sell him on the idea of Dutch Cycling. That's awesome. So you you were here nine months ago, and you've been living in Delft ever since that's right. Yeah, we We'd actually never been to Delft, but Because both of our job opportunities for here we decided to take a take a shot somewhere small much smaller than where we came from and yeah, so far I think we'd both say we love it here Why you run us through the the experience of first landing here for the first time and then having I'd say the honeymoon phase where everything is amazing and Cycling and then how you feel about this place today Yeah, it's I mean We're still find ourselves pinching Ourselves almost every morning that we're here not only living in this place, but getting to do the jobs that we do And it really just began with a series of blog posts that we wrote in 2016 a Working holiday if you will to visit a series of Dutch cities and write about them for for our blog and that snowballed into the book that we wrote and almost three years of Lusting after What the Dutch had accomplished and wanting to be a part of it ourselves? So when we landed here in mid-February, it was quite surreal to actually You know have an apartment in Delft and to get to ride these cycle tracks that we had written about and photographed And toward the world talking about for such a long period of time Yeah, I mean this is this red asphalt this this these four meters of separated Cycling or something that most Dutch people now take for granted and we're starting to take for granted living here, but There's cities around the world that are This is where this is just a pipe dream. Yeah, and it's interesting. I think You know talking about starting to take it for granted We just left my office. I'm about a five minute bike ride going very slow from the office to house And I've actually changed my route Because the option was there and the other option had too much bike traffic So I decided to go a different route take a little bit of stress out of my morning And even add a little bit of time. So I get some exercise. I mean my commute back in Canada was 30 minutes easy by bike so and you lived in Vancouver Yeah, we were living in East Vancouver My daily commute involved a ride along the glorious seawall, which I do miss sometimes the seawall. Yeah but yeah, it's funny because I Sometimes I don't take it for granted and I think it's great that I have so many options and other times I'm just like don't even think about it. I get on my bike and I go and yeah, see where I end up and You two are parents of two kids, right? Yes. How are they doing on their transition? they're actually doing remarkably well and When we first are talking about this move back in Canada, I think we both really tried to emphasize that yeah The bikes are great here. Yeah, but from for us. I think the move was more about them and we saw that almost immediately moving here because Dutch kids just grow up with this greater sense of independence because These cycle tracks and because the cities have been slowed down. Yeah And so I think within a month of being here Our son was biking to visit a friend in a nearby town and we didn't think anything of it. Our daughter is like Typical teenager They're actually amazing And then their their education is the Dutch now, right? Their education is entirely in Dutch. Yeah, so they're Making Dutch friends or yesterday We heard our daughter speaking with several kids laughing and doing the teenage way of not really speaking to each other And it's it's really remarkable to see we're really happy. Yeah with how things are going with them And it's exactly why we wanted to come here with to give them the opportunity to have that independence and freedom and They're really thriving because of it. Wow Okay It's a great place to raise a kid, you know, that that's that's something that you talked a bit about in your book about how it's It's so friendly and and kids play on the street and that's right. Yeah. Yeah, so it was our Actually our 2016 visit to the Netherlands to Amsterdam specifically where the kids who were seven and nine at the time Really got their first taste of freedom and that we were letting them Go to the park in the corner store in our neighborhood in Amsterdam all by themselves just walking and and for them they really I Think it opened up the whole new world. So when it time it came time to come home After that experience of having that freedom, they were quite upset and actually cried when it was time to come back to Canada because they knew that virtually anywhere they would go in Vancouver they'd have to be escorted by mommy and daddy because It was basically a four or six lane road of 60 or 80 kilometer-hour traffic standing between them and the community center and their school and the shops and all the places They wanted to go so Like Melissa said, it's it's never really been about the bikes. It's been about the city's the way the Dutch have kept the car at arms length from from their cities and allowed people to move freely without being limited by By cars incredible. I just wanted to Make a note of the landscape that we're riding through that is a huge windmill right there in the middle of the city We got the canals. We got bikes It doesn't really get more Dutch than this does it? No Delft is is really kind of a Postcard city. Yeah, but one of the things we've we've really enjoyed over the last A few months is going back through the google street view and the archival photos and seeing what the streets of delft Used to look like 20 or 30 years ago this stretch that we're riding along for example There was an elevated railway viaduct that cut the city in half And the before photos are quite dramatic the entire city was Broken in two by this elevated railway with cars parked below it And the city spent 15 years and upwards of a billion dollars to bury the The train tracks and put in the canals and the green space and the cycle tracks and the tramways And and I think it's really emblematic of Dutch city's willingness to transform themselves And invest a lot of time and energy and money Wow into making their streets better and there's this continual improvements taking place that really Is now a privilege to be a part of You work for the Dutch Cycling Embassy chris and you've been Well traveling quite a bit all around the world. What are some highlights of that job in the nine months that you've been here? Yeah, what a tour. Yeah, so, yeah, the one of the reasons why we decided to pack up and move here is I was I received a job offer from the Dutch Cycling Embassy as their new marketing and communications manager Um, and that job has kind of been uh twofold We we do a lot of hosting of internal international delegations that come to the Netherlands On study tours of politicians and engineers. Yeah, uh, and the best part of that is just seeing As my director Lucas often says The twinkling people's eyes when they see and experience this cycling culture for the first time and they suddenly realize that their city can be Can be better can be different as well And then the second part of the the job is yes traveling overseas. We were just in Los Angeles and san francisco um holding workshops and presentations and trying to Help cities with their specific Context and challenges and and helping them find the opportunities to improve It's not always a Dutch Inspired one size fits all solution, but right there's always something some kind of inspiration They can take from here that they can apply to their own city Ah and uh melissa you've uh been working at another company in in Delft and that is the Movicon Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. So movicon is actually a very fortunate uh sort of accident in terms of a job almost Um, we were very familiar with the company because we had written about two of their employees lennart note and angel of endercliffe in the book, um And then happened to be in Ottawa Where they have had they have a Canadian office in Ottawa, Canada. Yeah, um who helped coordinate our book tour and And the event in Ottawa and the CEO Johan Diepens happened to be in town And I decided to be quite dutch about it and just said hey You need somebody for communications. I'm coming your way. Yeah And it worked out really well So I manage the international communications for movicon. So we have As it's a dutch company, they've got a very established team that does a lot of the dutch communications And then I support the team in uh In canada in the u.s. And then our All right, this is the one bad spot Hold that thought hold that thought i'm going to just get out of the way Okay And yeah, I also support our dutch colleagues that work in international markets We have people working in the uk and germany And we're exploring opportunities elsewhere in europe as well. Yeah, and it's really cool to Yeah, I mean I was doing a similar job in north america for urban funding from there With a much broader scope when it comes to urban funding and engineering because now very nice to be sort of Really sort of niche into promoting Transportation and cycling and walking not just in the netherlands and seeing what's happening here But also, you know helping to create those environments back in canada and I mean working on Projects or helping support projects in towns where we used to live that will go unnamed for now But it's really neat to see that connection of like the the job I had The the you know the work that we used to do now translating into helping companies here bring that knowledge there as well Now what do you think uh Are The the biggest difficulties That you've had the biggest difficulties in translating all this dutch awesomeness that you've been seeing and then In your trips back to north america and trying to explain it to people. Yeah, that's a really easy question Um at least for me anyways the the real difficulty lies in Uh, the dutch is so far advanced like we're talking 40 or 50 years from virtually everybody else They're building parking garages for 12 000 bikes. They're putting cycle paths on the roofs of schools Uh Most cities can't even imagine being at that place So the real challenge lies in giving them practical ground level ground steps Um first steps that they can take On that long and very difficult journey towards becoming uh a cycling city Um because I think when when especially when we have delegations come here from overseas Uh, it's easy to show off and and show all of this spectacular infrastructure and Uh, but unless you make it really practical and pragmatic for them Um That all that's showing off can be for naught because uh, they just don't know where to begin or they'll dismiss it As a lot something that works for their country that would never work here And it's something we really try to do with the book Um and something that we try to do both of us in our daily work and our social media presence Is making uh these concepts and ideas relatable and applicable to Other more car dominated contexts Cool and uh speaking of social media presence How did you grow? this thing uh modesty How did it become such a big heavy hitter and and when did you really I'd say like Hit it off like when there's a kink point where it kind of takes its life on its own like well It's an interesting sort of journey because I think we talk about it in the book We've talked about in presentations that chris and I really started out and Doing the same thing but in two very different places me from the perspective of a mom who's traveling around with her two kids and chris more from the um hedonistic perspective and writing marketing and promotion marketing and promotion and um really we were doing the same thing and I think it really Reached a pivot point in 2014 when we actually created modacity and decided to do more of a joint collaboration with The guiding principle that whatever we share whatever we do our main focus is to show The positive angles to to not try to get bogged down in the fights I mean we were still having the same fights at our local level still pushing for You know changes to infrastructure or a relaxation of certain archaic laws That we're applying to cycling and dissuading people from cycling Anyways, um anyways But that was our that was the point is that everything that we show Be attainable someone could understand the the positive as opposed to Really feeding into that really bikes versus cars mentality and I think that that is sort of how we made our mark is It's really focusing on The positive feelings that come from it. I think you made this brilliant observation in 2016 again when we were here documenting our stay in video and photographs and you observed that Dutch cycling content is like the cat videos But for urbanists, yeah, because you could put anything up there if it's a a kid or an elderly person Or a disabled person or just showing how universal cycling is here It will get shared and shared and shared again. Yeah, um, so we I think we just have A different eye coming here as outsiders What most Dutch people see is mundane the the perching of on the back rack of a bicycle You know giving a friend a lift the groups of teenagers riding around Oh, the groups of teenagers. Yeah, we gotta watch out for those to to most Dutch people. They're just Traffic But to us is there's a beautiful human element to it And and to us it's uh what all cities Should be striving for in terms of getting everybody cycling and not just the uh, the fit white dudes. Yeah Uh, it's interesting the the kids. I think In in Eindhoven, uh, where I do some lecturing During their frost week Everyone's on a bike. I thought yeah It's just brilliant and you can see the international students like struggling a bit, right? Because uh, it's some some of them.  They're all drunk Yeah, and they're cycling to the bar. They're cycling the class. They're cycling to McDonald's They're just like any other students. They've just been given this other transportation option that happens to be All these great things healthy environmentally beneficial Uh, and and so yeah, I think that's kind of as Melissa said we we're focused on the positivity. We're focused on the humanity Uh, and we're trying to show how easy it can be if if you have a little bit of political vision and uh, and and some leadership at the Uh municipal level to to help make these changes, but it's not going to be easy Yeah Although the Dutch make it look easy So is there anything that you you miss about home? Oh, I mean, there's tons of stuff that we miss about home I mean, we're canadian. Yeah. Yeah. There's things that we'll always miss about Canadian culture or I have I will admit I have more maple syrup in my cover that people bring me Than the average person should My Dutch colleagues tease me a lot about it, but hey, whatever. It's good stuff Um, I mean when it comes to Vancouver, we we've obviously missed our friends Um, and I miss the ocean and the mountains But what we've traded that for here, um in terms of the quality of life And I think we both feel a lot less stressed feel a lot more happy the kids As I said, they're thriving and they both seem a lot happier here Uh, just by missing their friends back home. I think, you know, we know we've made the right right move for now Yeah, um, and there's just so much to discover in the Netherlands that we haven't had a chance to see yet And we're now like in the gateway to Europe. So It's hard to miss it when it's only been nine months talk to us maybe in five years and see how we're doing And you you took a train trip all the way to switzerland a few months back We did. Yeah, how long was that journey and uh, how was that experience being on a train for so long compared to I guess flying Yeah Yeah, we uh It was all over instagram With the you know with with having access to this kind of continent wide rail network for the first time We wanted to make use of it and and quite frankly, you know with the We find I think I can speak for both of us We find travel train travel a lot more relaxing in that you don't have the the pre-boarding process and the security lineups and The limited leg room and so we wanted to give it a try. Yeah, it was five connecting trains in 12 hours to get From delft to burn And then 15 hours coming home due to a couple of delays on the german train system Um, but that also comes down to just because it's new to us and we don't know better There were other options available and we're like, oh, this seems like the easiest right but um, some of the connections were quite tight And yeah in hindsight, we would have Maybe take it spent a little bit more money to take there was basically a direct train from paris to uh basal, uh basal basal Potato potato, switzerland is cool because they also have uh quite a bit of cycling going on there Especially in the major cities Yeah, yeah, I it's funny because I think Chris said this one thing when we were in toronto years ago um When we were already fully immersed into the cycling world is that in toronto they tend to cycle in spite of lack of infrastructure And I I think i'm accurate in saying that was very much our experience in switzerland as well Is they do have a remarkable number of people that are cycling they do. Yeah, um, despite a lack of protected infrastructure in key places despite the fact that it's hilly despite the fact that they also get a lot of rain and It was pretty cool to see. I think we were very impressive for in terms of not only what they're already doing But the vision that's coming from the city It's very cool to see what really kind of uh turned our worldview on its head was the fact that Basically the biggest barrier to getting more people cycling in burn and ziric and other swiss cities is the public transport system So the car car usage in burn is about the same as delft. I think it's uh around 20 percent But the vast majority of trips there over 50 percent were made on the tram network And and something like 90 of those trips are under three kilometers So there's this potential of getting people out of the trams onto bicycles but you Obviously run the risk of cannibalizing your public transport system. Yeah And then also when you were riding on the streets the trams were kind of the biggest Discomfort was they were right next to you as you were cycling along rather than than cars as we are used to experiencing. So Yeah, I think they've got some difficult decisions to make in terms of How many people they want to get off the tram network and on the bicycles? Which is a problem that most cities would probably love to love to have their car usage is is pretty good and and their city center was very quiet and clean and Almost car-free and and it did remind us a lot of a dutch city. It's just they'd accomplished The same thing through their tram network rather than their cycling network And there's some really beautiful train rides in that country Yeah, we I think our most memorable day memorable day was We took the cog railway to the peak of Mount Mount Pilatus In uh, is that the highest railway is it's the steepest cog railway steepest and oldest I think Uh, 7 000 feet at 48 degree. Yeah slope 48 degree So we're here like lean back in your seats. No, it's really neat. They've got it set up So like the train is running on an angle, but then the seats are Are done at like a normal like Great like Yeah, so it's very uh Is a very interesting experience It helps ethan our son is Has a little bit of a fear of heights. Yeah, so not leaning backwards and looking out the mountain was very helpful It also not leaning forward and looking down So Cool. Yeah, it was very neat. Yeah, maybe uh, how are we doing on this, uh, route? Yeah, I mean I could actually talk about yeah Well, if we go up over that bridge and back Yeah, why don't we talk of it about this canal and this environment that we're going through because uh, I think one of the cool things about Uh, our time here so far has been showing up this place to our parents All four of our parents are in their 60s newly retired Come from fairly car-dependent suburbs of toronto. Yeah, and uh, they've heard us talk about the Netherlands for years and years and years this magical place where Uh We eventually moved and uh to see them experience it for the first time and actually get on a bicycle Here, uh, it was was quite special and this was uh, I think the first route that we Brought all of them on because it's fairly low stress and Uh, quite scenic along the river, although you couldn't tell from the all the construction they're doing right now um, but they're The really special thing was uh, my mom in particular. She was having trouble balancing on the bike She hadn't cycled in 50 years since she was a teenager Uh, but we were able to rent this duo feats from a a non-profit in delft, which is basically a side-by-side Uh bicycle that seats two people Uh, well, I'd say tricycle Tricycle, yeah, so uh, her and my father got to Cycle along here, you know, uh with fairly minimal effort and and we ended up doing like 25 kilometers that day Uh with my mom and and to see her out there and experiencing the joy that Everyone else was experiencing despite not being as physically able Um, it was a rather memorable moment What about your parents Melissa, what about my parents? Well, so I don't know where to start. Um, I grew up cycling with my family. It's just something that we did we go for family bike rides Um, so it's it's interesting now to make Make cycling for it to be such an important part of my life I wouldn't say that we ever thought anything I've done. It was just like, hey, let's go for a family ride or let's ride to the park Um, but now whenever they visit they know they have to go for a bike ride Um But they've been able they've been quite fortunate to be able to join us on a few of our trips So actually when we were touring australia, they joined us for four weeks And cycled in brisbane and melbourne. I don't think in sydney, um, but in also in awkland And wellington anyways, hi digress christ church And so they've experienced those cities and they're like, oh, these are such great places They love cycling in brisbane which for for us coming from our context We're like, oh, there's so much work to do But for them it was just like this like this epiphany of like, oh, you can cycle along the water for Countless kilometers. So then we bring them here We're like, yeah, you can cycle anywhere for countless kilometers So they got to cycle around delft with us My dad joined datian for his commute to school, which was interesting.  Oh, yeah during rush hour and crazy. It was shoulder to shoulder I think he was a little bit stressed out. Yeah um And then we even got to cycle in rotherdam, which was really nice We went out went out for a day without the kids and Took them to uh caps of browers. Yeah, enjoyed a beer together and although there were a few moments Because they're not used to this. There's so there's some moments that are quite stressful for them Which we can't I mean you can't underestimate those because people talk about International cycling in Amsterdam or other big cities and feeling intimidated And it's you know, it's important to acknowledge that and be patient with it um But I think despite feeling stressed. She at the end she did say it was really nice feel to have that moment of just riding around and Covering a lot more ground than she would have been able to do if we just walked so I I want to get speaking of like People who are less like able right? Uh might have difficulty in these environments I want to get your thoughts on electric mobility because in the Netherlands Now there is more new e-bikes sold than normal bikes Right. So how has that do you think enabled more people perhaps to take on this? Uh activity and whether it is a positive development Well, I think we'd both agree that It is a positive development. We wrote a whole chapter about it. We wrote a whole chapter about it But um Yeah, I think There are certainly some challenges as you implement Speed into the equation when it comes to an e-bike But really, you know, our research that we found was that they're not using it People aren't using e-bikes to go faster They're just using them to make things a little bit easier and to go a little bit further And if that means that we're encouraging people to Ride who maybe don't have the stamina to go as far Or want to be able to age in place but still maintain that level of ability then I think it's a very very big net positive In both of our parents will mine in particular have talked about getting e-bikes back home Just to make things a bit easier for getting around I think we've even talked about getting e-bikes To be able to go a little bit further You know, we're getting up there Hey Four decades next year Yeah, I mean I heard them eloquently referred to as a Range extender the other day and I think that's Quite succinctly puts it down. It's it's not about Childing faster. It's not about being lazy. It's it's about enabling people that want to cycle more Who feel like certain trips are impossible or too far or outside of the Netherlands too hilly Or too sweaty and and giving them that extra physical boost but also psychological boost to make those trips possible Look what we saw when we were in Bern is you know I don't I'm not going to throw out a number but a lot of people We're on e-bikes. I mean half of their bike share fleet are e-bike to enable those trips Yeah, Switzerland's fairly hilly place. We were in Auckland the city built on 50 dormant volcanoes Yeah, the same thing and this is the you know one of the pushbacks So I always get over the Netherlands flat the Netherlands is flat well, okay, but if you enable electromobility by Giving people access to e-bikes incentivizing e-bikes and safe giving them secure parking and infrastructure Then you run out of excuses very quickly. Yeah And actually it occurred to me the other day I was shopping online Preparing for a trip. I plan to do the summer to the Black Sea along Eurobello 6 along the Danube and Austria and all that and and it's it's a bit hilly But I figured if I could bring an e-bike with me Then it gives me at least an extra like 30 kilometers a day of Free energy. Yeah, I could you know take me a bit further and not be astranuous This range extension as you mentioned And the studies are showing that people The health benefits are as good if not greater because people are riding e-bikes further distances and more often Than they would a regular push bike and and so I think there's very few e-bike cynics left in the in the cycling world and You know frankly The world is going to pass them by at some point. Yeah, it's the prices are plummeting They're they're so good. They're getting so light and easy to use And I think there's I think there's still like a misconception around e-bikes as people think of them as like the speed paddle Lack, right? Yeah, and we really try to talk about that when we're presenting or speaking with people Is it's not we're not talking about the bikes where you don't have to paddle like these are I mean, you know Those are fine, too, whatever But when we tell most people are talking about e-bikes they're talking about just giving someone an assist Like putting a gentle hand on someone's back and pushing them up a hill You know if that wind in the back wind in the back exactly Now, I mean having said all that I think These types of new machines need to be taken into consideration when you're designing your infrastructure and one of the things we saw uh on our travels is bike lanes that have been built way too narrow without Allowing people to pass each other a right side by side and I think that presents a Well, they're not future-proofed and and If you do want people to use your infrastructure A variety of abilities and speeds and you do have to build them wide enough to allow for passing and and and social cycling and unfortunately cities that are hesitant to give up that space or building infrastructure that's just way too narrow, right? You're you're You're being encouraged from what I've heard to write another book Yeah, I don't know how much you're allowed to talk about that, but what are some ideas that have Percolating your mind generating that you think about you know about the Netherlands now that you've actually lived here Yeah, I think without spoiling the plot don't spoil the plot don't I think um We talked in the first book about um A lot of the Yeah, a lot of the how um Without getting too much into the weeds with the technical details And because we don't profess to be technical experts. We're just experiential experts. Yes experiential experts Um, and I think a lot of the conversation Now needs to go more towards What it actually means when you build all this stuff to the people that experience those cities And so I think that's where we would like to probably focus is More on the people Experiencing it reflecting on Our experiences moving here our children's experiences. Yes Perhaps telling some of the stories of the policies that made those experiences possible And some of the research that back set up. So it's I think it all comes down to Yeah, the the qualitative Experience of living in a city with fewer cars and That at the end of the day is what it's about. It's not about the bicycle. It's not about the bicycle infrastructure It's about how people can thrive when Motor vehicles are kept under control and kept Within Limits limits. Yes rather than ruling the city and and being allowed to Rome freely and and travel the speeds that they want to Yeah Yeah, yeah. I mean so the I mean we could talk at length about What that means but for us it means uh City that constantly engages our senses where you know, we can hear the birds. We can hear the church bells Uh We see neighbors. We can see neighbors um We can smell we can taste we can and and these are kind of all things that we've forgotten because Uh, we've got six lanes of traffic at our front door in most most contexts That is all yeah, yeah Yeah, no that gets back down to the very basics is the the first book you went around and you talked to the practitioners really Right, like you went to city officials. You went to consultants right all from the professional aspect Yeah, so this wouldn't make sense as a logical next step now that you're here And you can talk about it from first hand experience Well and focusing on the less obvious benefits because I think we all know the public health the traffic congestion the uh The carbon emissions all of these things that it's okay Rattle, rattle, rattle. No worries We know the obvious benefits, but we I think there's all these really subtle squishy things that uh that we get Yeah Of a city that's perhaps more socially connected and trusting and uh and more equitable and accessible to Everybody and uh, so yeah, I think we're right now the big question is where we find the time to delve into this project, but it is Taking shape in our minds if not on paper Yeah, well, um It and you also still I believe right, uh, correct me if I'm wrong the company modesty. Yeah, it's still running Yeah, do you have a vision for that? Going forward now that the book is out and you're here, you know, excellent question, george Company company and air quotes, maybe Hey, it's a registering company and it's registered Yeah Oh, it's a dutch company too. All right cool, um, I think We both see the value in keeping modesty going if not as a Um business in terms of money making adventure, but in terms of still providing that inspiration Um, I think people will have noticed that at least on the website the content level has reduced Yes, well you've been outputting in other places, right? Yeah, exactly our our energy is now focused on for myself Movicon for chris the Dutch cycling embassy, but we still want to provide that inspiration where we can um, and of course the book is still out there, uh, we've had three Reprints no no. Yeah, it's on its third edition So there's still promotion to be done for the book And so we're still doing speaking opportunities when invited and and there've been some requests for foreign language translation as well, which has been quite interesting I think what's exciting though is they're not Um, there's not a ton of them, but we have new opportunities now with dutch partners that we've made over the year So last year we got to work with the international cargo bike festival and we'll do that again this year They were fun. Yeah riding around those cargo bikes. Yeah, and I mean yos and tom that are organizing it are like fantastic to work with Yeah, um, so organizations like that will continue to partner with and support where we can and Yeah, it's sort of it's still it's gone back to being a passion project as opposed to a full-time job.  I'll put a I'll put a link in the description below and then yeah People can go find you. Well modacity is on facebook twitter instagram linkedin at modacity life m o d a city life Um, dutch cycling embassy likewise is on all social media channels if you just type it in Uh, I think it's cycling underscore embassy.  So any any ideas to expand into the video world Not at this point. I mean we are at the dutch cycling embassy. We're working on a series of webinars, uh online, uh kind of video clips that will Provide tutorials on on dutch cycling concepts, but i'm just kind of overseeing the production. Yeah, i'm not But some of my experience will be helpful in bringing those together with an outside consultant um, yeah, I I mean and we're also working on a podcast which is Uh a similar kind of deal in terms of arranging the interviews and shaping the storylines um But yeah as far as our free time goes it's it's what free time. Yeah, it's fairly limited and uh It's focused on making sure that we get to enjoy the other ones. It's fun time with our family And learning the language Okay, so as the traffic gets a bit busier, uh, we we're gonna cut this podcast short Okay, I think uh, we covered a lot of ground today, but you know, I'd love to do this again with with both of you Uh, and this three person format seems to work really well In delt in delt. Yeah In you know in other cities, it's not so much fun So I encourage you to find melissa and chris on the internet at all the social media platforms And uh, I wish you well as you further enjoy your life here in delt Thanks, we've done a lot of podcasts over the years, but this is quite far the funnest. Yeah, looking forward to your podcast too All right, take care guys. Thank you. Bye


What they gonna do with me now? I'm still a talk of the town. Fuckin' the sisters, I'm hoakin' them down. Reachin' the smiles and the frowns. Gang hop out, then we clarin' the pr- Alright, so, hey guys, we're in a new episode of Talk of the Town, and today we have a special guest. God, block work.  So, we're gonna play a game. I'm gonna ask you questions. First thing to come to mind, celebrity crush. Damn, Nicki Minaj. Okay, describe New York in one word. Most underrated? Me. One sentence for your ex? One sentence? I ain't gonna lie, thank you for making me go all out. I ain't gonna lie, I needed that. Word. Which rapper would you not let date your daughter if you had one?  Skies of Pimp. Favorite one-hand wonder? Hm? Favorite one-hand wonder?  He's definitely a one-hand wonder.   Okay, worst song ever? Oh, my. Nasty BK, his whole catalog needs to get put in the garbage. Somebody trashed that. Or I got Brad for you, you could trash that. Got one song, though? It's like, one song. Like, the Jada song. The song you made about her? That was terrible. He tried to pull his heart out and it just went wrong. Okay, what are you most lazy about?   So you're excited to do everything? Everything, everything.  What's that supposed to mean? Too much is... It's like, what could you never have too much of? Money. Girls, music, clothes, there's a lot of stuff. Food, weed, there's a lot of stuff you could never have enough of. Last thing you spent money on? Probably some food. And what talk of the town award should you be nominated for in 2023?  I feel like I'm mad, energetic. Or definitely most underrated. Cause like, come on now. It's me, it's me, it's Blocky the G, we know. I'm mad underrated, like, alright. You feel like you're the most energetic, though? I ain't gonna lie, I definitely got a different type of energy to it. Like, when you listen to my music, I feel like you just hear different, even when I didn't do drill.   Or just like, mad energy and stuff.  I don't feel like you have to scream to be energetic. I feel like it's just your cadence, seeing how you tone it. You feel me? You don't gotta be so rah rah rah and be like, everybody else's, you feel me? I just try to stick to what I know how to do in my being myself. When did you feel like you got into, like, what's your sound, I guess? I would say, that's a piece my son dot.  And I just figured out, like, what my main focus and what I'm trying to do with my music is from there. Okay. And then, I guess, what would you say was the, like, so was it before or after music? After. Okay, so in finding a sound, working with different people, how did you go about doing that? I kind of now, before I used to do a lot of music with anybody, kind of everybody, I would say. And now, I kind of just go about doing music alone because I feel like I'm best alone. So, like, I kind of heard songs by myself where I feel like I would have never been able to make this song with somebody else. Because it's like, when you're doing a song with somebody else, you're following their lead or they're following your lead. So it's kind of like, I just wanted to work on myself and learn how to build myself as a character as a rapper first before I try to go do any type of features and shit. So, are you cool with features right now? Are you ready to jump back in there or what do you think?  It just definitely depends.   Anybody from New York or? Yeah, definitely. Now nobody really. Couple people from New York, but I'll say a majority's not from New York. Anybody want to shout out?  Shout out to my moms, man. No abortion. We here. Fucks. I'm talking about, like, anybody. You wanted to say it, in music?   Sleepy Hollow, Stunning Gambino, J.R., IceBice. For me, it's a couple people out there, like, to me. Then what about out of town? Out of town, I like Lil Critch. I think that's Kodak artist.  Lil Tyler, you up to Lil Tyler?  I like they wave, that's coming up right now.  Okay, okay, okay. So, have you been on TikTok, or not that much? A little bit, yeah, I'll say, yeah. You, they talk about you often on TikTok. Yeah, that's why I kinda stay over there. Be boned, I'll say.   I wanna say I never really had a master plan, for real. It kinda just, like, the way it looked to them, is that's what it looks like.   Everybody chose to make the decision, and it kinda just planned out how it said it was. So, I didn't have a plan, niggas, it was just... I'm not gonna say I manifested it or didn't manifest it, but I seen through niggas, and niggas wasn't for me, so I just put it out there, you feel me?  Yeah, now everybody's beefing.  But everybody is beefing. So, like, what do you see for the future? Like, what do you see now? Since you clearly have the master plan, what do you see for the future? I ain't got a future, I'm just gonna keep my foot on these niggas. Next, keep dropping music.  And just, like, keep giving these niggas a new, like, sound to my shit, cause I feel like I could do everything, like, or... I'm outside of drill, I'm a real artist. I feel like we haven't yet to see, like, a drill artist ever reach their full potential.   Is that... I feel like cops will even be for the death, like, I smoke, you know, like, see it? Full potential, so it's like, it's kind of hard to, like, you know, where do you think drill gonna go?    But I feel like a lot of the younger people are getting lit now. Yeah, definitely, they paying attention to the younger people who are doing it, because it's like, it's watered down now, I was saying, they're looking for a son to, like, kind of make it interesting more, and I guess, like, the youth is doing it. They believe in the youth, it's whatever. Do you feel like the youth is inspired by y'all, or do you feel like it's a mixture of us and Chicago, or do you think it's some whole new sound? No, they definitely inspired by us, just knowing that we from here, and they from here, so it just kind of makes it like, damn, we can do this shit too, so I definitely see them being inspired by us, so we just got to make that, like, better, like, they looking at us for their own reasons, but we got to make them niggas want to be us for the right reasons.  You got a fan base, they ain't have people, you know? I kind of try to move more smarter with, like, smart with the stuff I do. Before, I used to be loose, and just, like, not really care, because I was on the streets, and, you know, running around in the hood. But now, as music has changed my life, and it's, like, more of a career for me, so I kind of just watch the stuff I do, knowing that little kids run up to me, and they know me, you feel me?  So I just try to move more professional, business-wise, as a grown man, even though I'm 19, and just show niggas that it's bigger than drill, you feel me? It's a little different. So that's definitely in person. But what about on social media, though? I ain't going on social... Because you be posting stuff. You be going there, bro, so, like... I ain't going to let people get me there, though. I should be just, like, out of emotion, like, sometimes I don't even be thinking, but from before, like, I would say a year or two years ago, I'd definitely been cutting down, like, slowly and slowly, like, I could see myself, like... I mean, I don't see you don't live as much. Yeah, definitely. No more live. No more, like, direct posts anymore.  You don't really tag people, OD, like you used to.  Yeah, a little slowly, too. Soon I ain't going to be even worried about the model, and that's what I'm trying to work on, work to get into right now, you feel me? I'm just trying to get to where I... It's just me versus me, you feel me?  Yeah.   That's why I realize, like, damn, we got to chill, like. Everything is televised, like. How do you feel about, please, don't like? Some people like them, some people don't. I don't really like them as a page.   They don't post when I do something good.  No, I mean, I'll say that, because when they fans see me taking pictures and stuff, they'll post that sometimes, but they choose to post the negative stuff more than the positive stuff. So, mm, I ain't feelin' that page that much, but I ain't down with nobody hustling if that's the way for them to win. Shit, keep going, please don't like? People just too men, so I guess.   So how are you feelin' about blog pages now? No, I ain't go like, I've been showin' more love now, definitely. Definitely, especially, so I wanna say, I don't wanna say too much, but y'all not the only page that I felt like that before, that's why I let it be known.   Thank you, but I appreciate it for me, thanks. I feel like, I feel like we're not gonna catch everything that artists do, so I feel like just even just putting that out there, so, you know, when we do catch y'all, I feel like, I feel like you can't expect the page to catch everything we do, unless you send it to them every week, but you're not, so again, like, you know, we catching it as it's, you know, as it's been talked about. Yeah.  Nah, yeah, you just gotta go viral more, man. Go viral, we ain't got no other tweets, gotta post it. Absolutely, I mean, yeah, pretty much. So, you now have a new team. Yeah, definitely. Got rid of your old team. Go on. I am curious to see how did you even get with the old team? I ain't go like, whoa, with the old team? Yes. How I got with them? Yes. Saiky. No. That's the only reason, that's the only reason I was cool at all, for real. I don't know. But like, even when we was doing shit, he wasn't really around, so how did y'all become? Cause Saiky put it in my ear. Like, at the time, he was cool, you feel me? He put it in my ear.  He put it in my ear.  Was you conflicted in like, the split? Nah, I was, I had nothing to do with none of that. None of his business.  Yeah. I feel like, was you conflicted in the split? Like, when he was already locked in, so he stole your mans? Was he a conflict? Nah, I wasn't at all. He knew, he knew. Cause he, like I said, he put it in my ear, so, you feel me? He knew. It's not like I got up and said y'all, yeah, it were facts. Okay. Am I leaving the situation now? How do you feel about it? I feel better as an artist. Oh, I feel like open minded, you feel me? I can express myself more. Got a better team.  They doing what they doing, whatever, you feel me? I'm just trying to do what I gotta do, you feel me? I don't got no type of, nothing against them, you feel me? Bro, no, you feel me? We had a positive conversation when we, like we cut off, we ended it there.  Like yo, when I see you, it's lit. Like, I got problems with their artists. I stay artist, you feel me? They growing men, but, feel me? I'm just trying to grow and just do me.  On TikTok, people be saying like, they kind of like copy just sounded. What do you have to say for that? I feel like it's just like a, once you get to a certain point, you are influenced, bro. So you're like okay with it, I guess? Yeah, it don't matter. If, if, you know, if, yeah, that's a fact. How do you feel about, do you feel like they copy just it or not? How, yeah. Oh, I don't think it's gonna be enough. How, yeah, I ain't a lot, not all of them, only one specific person, do you feel me?  So what, like, what's the copying? Is it the cadence? Is the flow? Is it the beats? Like what is the copying? That's everything. Like, when I came around- Do you want me to dress like everything? When I came around him, this nigga was a good kid. He was a singer. He didn't do drill. And then after hearing me make songs around Saikae, you feel me? This nigga watching me every stew session, you feel me? So he's low key in his head, trying to figure out how he can do this, bro. And he started doing it, bro. Look how this kid sounds.  Like, what the fuck, bro?  Are you more protective now on how you be creative? I ain't a lot of hell, no. That's what God put me here to do. I'm an influencer. These niggas gonna copy me regardless.  So, you just gonna have to keep up, bro. If I, feel me? Keep up, bro. Shit. Okay. And then, like, so he basically just saying he gonna keep switching it up. Mm-hmm. But what do you think you do else besides drill? Like, what do you see you transition into next?   I really wanna, I don't wanna shift off from drill too much. I wanna keep the beats, but less distant, you feel me? I don't really gotta say niggas' names, make it more mainstream, you feel me?  Like, I don't wanna just leave that genre. Like, I feel like niggas be talking about niggas' names too much. That's what makes it drill. Like, smoking this nigga man, doing this and that. If you just talking regularly, especially in fitness, you opening, using melodies a little bit, you feel me?  Okay. And I'm like, I feel like people with name jobs, sometimes it be responses, sometimes it be starting. Do you feel like you're done responding? Like, if you hear anything from you over it, or like, it has to be a certain point, or like, come on, we're growing here. It has to be. Yeah, definitely, yeah. I ain't gonna lie, it has to be to a certain point. Like, all the petty stuff and shit, like, I ain't really about to respond to that. But like, I feel like if you taking it there, you might get a response out of me. I'm not dissing everybody, but if I feel like it's worth it, I'll do it. Cause like, right now in New York, I feel like a lot of people that are coming up are kind of like trying to like name job together.  You don't gotta. You don't gotta do it. I don't feel like y'all do it. I got songs without dissing people, like. No, no, you know what I'm saying? Like, the people upcoming, they might try to diss you to get your attention. Like, ignore those people too. The reason I do it is to show them. Like, they copy all the wrong things I do, but when I do something good, they don't wanna copy that. Like, you feel me? I'm doing the good songs to show y'all. Like, you could do this too, brother. Here you go. All right.  But it was a discreet diss. Nobody knew it was a diss until we told y'all. Niggas thought that was D&D on your phone. It was just like obliterated, but me told people that it wasn't. Okay. Did you feel like it was, you wanted to tell people? It feel, you think if you would have kept it discreet, you would have kept going? What do you think?  He probably does, send me on his end, but. I don't promote the song. So when did the disconnect start happening? Cause I was very confused, am I going on? One day, this guy just woke up and I just seen a live and he was just like ranting about me. And I was mad and confused. I'm like, yo, this guy is crazy. But ever since then I just like figured it out. You know what's cool? I don't, no matter. Shit gon' happen. I'm gonna see him at the top, if you know what I'm saying? I just argued on like two days ago. Were you close to his y'all or D&D or what? Yeah, he's like a goofy guy. He's a goofy guy. He's a jokester. He's funny. And so you like, so you over at this point? Do you feel like y'all could ever make up? No, no, no way. No way, no way. You feel like y'all could talk it out? Mm-mm. I feel like I could never talk to him in person. Like it's too much of him being set out of his mouth. Like he took it, he closed the line so many times and he was like, it's over. So, so, but we will never get a remix to that, okay? Okay. And so, being in the spotlight though, do you feel like you have pressure like in responding to people and kind of like clearing the air?  And I feel like fans kind of make up their own narrative. So how do you go about that? I feel like it's best to just let them keep trying to like figure you out for me.  I just do me, you feel me? People gonna gravitate to me regardless.  I listen to my fans, I know what they want, but still focus on doing myself. So like, what's your status right now with Sugar Hill though? Are you cool with that more?  There's no problems, you feel me? I wouldn't say we the best is the best friends you're getting, you feel me? But it's a high-end bar type shit, you feel me? You ain't even really on that. Niggas just getting money now. Are you like proud of them?  Hell yeah, definitely. I'll be speaking to the bros, you feel me? All of them, you feel me?  We listen to Niggas, bro, that's what brings us together. Nobody really realized that if it wasn't for us losing together, we wouldn't be like how I was again, you feel me?  The reason why we started music and we just try to keep it pushing for bro, everybody know that for me, everybody know that for me. And I guess like some, a lot of artists don't really open up about what they're going through, but on the back end, I feel like artists go through mad stuff with cop stuff, family stuff, just all that in general.  I ain't going to lie, me personally coming from me, I feel like you should just keep it business, you feel me?   It's going to really happen.  Because he was trolling, he was like, I always had friends, or I got friends. Do you just be trolling the fans? I feel like it's, yeah, it'd be cool to have a hundred friends and shit, but you really always by yourself. So I was just saying, make sure you know yourself before you try to go and figure out 99 other negatives for me. And to you, when your eyes, I guess, what are like three qualities that makes somebody a friend? I ain't got loyalty. You got to always like, you got to always have loyalty. Like three qualities, like I really, I feel like loyalty is the only one for real, bro. You could do anything to me, bro. But if he was always loyal to me, bro, I'm gonna know what's up, bro. Cause without love, like without loyalty, you can't have love, bro. So if you loyal, bro, that's like the root. The tree is gonna go from there, you feel me? You might have made a mistake, but I see you loyal, so you made that mistake, Bob, because you ain't no. You feel me? But it's different, bro. Loyalty for real, that's the only thing, like you need to be loyal. That's most important. Most important.  So you'll deal with everything else? I'll deal with everything else. You got anger issues, you could be retarded, nigga. If you loyal to me and I could tell, I could feel that shit, bro, you good, bro. Feel me? That's fair. Okay, and then, so, I don't know if you've seen like, basically, you know, Keem's locked up. Everybody think is that you be told or whatever the case may be. But in your eyes, in your eyes, what is the definition of a snitch to you? Cause I feel like people just tossed around that word and nobody really gets into like what it actually means. I ain't gonna lie, that's it. What makes someone an actual, you know what I'm saying?  You feel me? There's no say so of what a snitch is. You feel me? Like ma, coming from me, are you coming to contact with the Lord? You shouldn't say nothing at all. Don't say nothing out your word. You don't have to say hi, you don't have to say nothing. Cause they could just speak to your lawyer. You are, that's your, you're right, bro. You got, you have the right to not say nothing. And people that goes over everybody's head, like they don't never hear that part when they say it, but they hear everything else. So it's like you don't have to say nothing. So I feel like once you say something, bro, you're giving them like a reason to do something which leads to something else. And it's just like, that's snitching, bro. You draw snitching, bro. Okay. You're not snitching, you draw snitching.  Does that come to you or not? I feel like if you're not into anything, then you should be fear for your life. You feel me? You, that's, that's different than being a snitch. Like for real.   A snitch is something I know.  That's a right, bro. That's a snitch, bro. And the streets, bro. That's how I look at it, bro.  I know old lady for calling the police or somebody who just robbed up hers. She a snitch for that? Yeah. That's how much I want people to get into it. Like, nah.  I mean, yeah, yeah. Cause now you, once you, yeah, you know you're getting something to do. You're doing that. Yeah, you're doing that. Yeah, definitely.  So once you put yourself around criminals and if you're a civilian- You should already know what's coming with it. Like, there's no, like, you can't take that back. Like, you put yourself in that situation. Like, you should know, bro. Like, this is what comes with this. If this happens, if this happens, like, it's simple. I feel like just like, just separating it, I feel like you don't do that. You shouldn't be around people that do that. Yeah. And you should always know what the people you around doing. Yeah. Know what your friend is doing. Know what type of job he has. Know how he's getting his money. Like, know your friend, bro.  You don't want to be in that situation, bro. And you were an innocent person for real. So if you got friends, really make sure that you're friends, bro. You feel like there was ever any friends that you didn't know, like, they fit or like?  If I called you my mans, I'll have to know you like your first name, or like, I know your mans. I'd go to your grandma to sign you for me, like word. Okay. And then getting into the music though, for a friend. So like, as all this stuff is coming out, it takes time to, I guess, put in a song. Yeah. Cause I don't know Jumper, you said, before they was talking about Naughty Bop, they was like, cause do we get the same day? Yeah. And I know you didn't make like a Naughty Bop, but you made the song Switching Sides. So like, did you wait for like, you know, stuff to happen before dropping that, and then taking it there? Or like, how do you go about doing that? I kind of just, I waited it out, because I, what I, How does he like what would happen? Yeah, what I noticed is like, yeah, I was just basically trying to wait it out to see what would happen.  Like, even when the moment, the day it happened, like, feel me, I was cool with them. I didn't know what their intentions was doing, you feel me? Because they ain't had no beef with them.   And I just kind of cut ties with them niggas, bro. Okay.  Yeah. And that's kind of just how all that happened. Yeah. And then, but didn't you do something like JD or something? Yeah, I did a song with JD. I was just off the string for like, I just hit him up. I just hit him up. He was with it. He was trying to do it.    We just did it. And really I was cool with Boona. Boona was already cool with him. So like, he kind of just made it happen.  I was a Boona. You spoke to him lately? Yeah, he been good. He kind of just staying low key. I've been telling him, he gotta push his music and just keep going. But my son, it's been a kind of like a whole breakdown because we was all rooted by somebody who is now his whole shift of attention is on these kids. You feel me? Like we was there before them. And it's like, we just basically got shelf body naked. So we decided to part ways and I both left.  Like I ain't know what to do. You feel me? I'm just going along with it, bro. I'm just trying still, bro.     I didn't, sometimes I'd be stuck and nobody knowing like how to bounce back. But then that's why I say thank you to my supporters and my fan base.  So it's like, I can't, they counting on me.  And what do you feel like you missing to take your career to the next level? I ain't go lie to that computer. I have labor. I don't even feel like a labor right now. It's the only thing, bro. Cause didn't you have a dish or a deal or something? I mean, but it was like...   Like I didn't even know that.   I ain't even know that. Oh, I didn't know yet. I'm sorry, I don't know. So... Mm-hmm. Well, so you really never got official label, man? Nah, I never signed, I never been, no, I never signed to no label. Okay. When I was with FR, he partnership through them, through him. So when I was like a whole thing there, every artist that there was basically all to do this and this and that, like, you feel me? I never went into no label and signed, no, nothing like, you feel me? Nah. Okay, so, is there, so moving forward, even getting into deals, do you know what kind of deal you kind of want now? Learning the business, seeing how people are, stuff like that?  I'm just, I want the best situation for me. Like for me, I be seeing everybody else doing a little thing, I don't have to worry about that. For me, I just want something that's going better. For me, for me, take my career from where it is now to the next level. Like I'm not trying to be nobody's you for me, all that's just on the label, you feel me? I need the best position for me to just accelerate you, like, you feel me?  Nah, I would move from New York, I ain't gonna lie. I already- Jersey or like far away?   Yeah, Cali.  I go to one of the states that nobody's going, even think I'll beat it. Like- Well, like you talking to me, what's that?   Nah, that's crazy. So you don't think you'll miss New York, though? I will, but I'll always beat it. You feel me? Flight's in, back and out, you feel me?   Mm-mm. Mm-mm.   You worth a lot after that point, so you gotta protect everything and how we go about it is like, we gotta do it.   Yeah, I guess. But, I mean, yeah, security, but. But like, nah, you gotta still be safe. You gotta still be safe. But what happened when security not there? As I said, you gotta still be safe. But um, so you definitely know you want that machine behind you. Yeah. Are you talking to labels right now, or? Yeah, probably, yeah. A little bit, one, two. But I'm not. Anything you like yet, or still waiting? Still kinda trying to like, fill it out. I don't wanna make the best decision, like I said for me. I noticed a lot of people make bad decisions when they sign, so. It's about just making the right decision, bro, cause it's, that's where you make a break. As like a artist, you feel me? You could really go left, or you could go right, bro, you feel me? Trying to go up. Um, in the, um, no jumping interview.  Facts. What makes someone a pioneer? And your eyes?  Like, I've been here too long. I've been here, I've been throughout everything. Like, I've seen everything from start to jump.  Like, what was this happening? This was here, it was there. Like, I'm one of those only niggas that's here and now everybody is booked. God forbid that, you feel me? Like, but definitely, I feel like I've been here too long. Like, that's what makes you a pioneer. Like, I've been here from the start of it. I watched everything grow, go up. You feel me? I've just been seeing everything. So, I think that, like, for Brooklyn, we kind of got to see who the pioneers was. You know, some of them was here to stay, like, chef sleepy. Yeah. I mean, some would say, some would say not so.    Like, Dirk made a fucking, he's been his career been so long now, like, look at him, you feel me? He's doing. He keeps had an anniversary. Like, it's been like 10 years now.  So, you definitely treating it more like a marathon and not like a race right now. Yeah, well, it's about who really going to do it in the long run.  It's about the long run for real. Okay, and then you definitely plan to stay for the long run. What other sound wise? So, from drill, you're going to try different sounds. What do you do, like R&B? I feel like I would just keep rapping, but it would be over like sofa beats and I would try to melodize a little bit more. You feel me?  Just get my melodies a little better. Okay. You wouldn't try singing them. Not throughout the whole song. I got to rap a little bit. I got to rap a little bit. Little bridges, maybe a little one to lose. Maybe.  Like, I'll open up to doing that. Going to your roots, yes. Video in Jamaica or what? No, definitely. I'll be fire, I ain't gonna lie. Okay. Okay, so moving forward, 2023, what's your plan to do?  Because like, last year, I feel like I noticed I was kind of like doubting myself a little bit, you feel me? So I just plan to stay motivated, like regardless. You said it all the time, my man. Last year, I was just like, I don't know, I was slacking and just, I kept getting doubtful. So I just planned this year to stay motivated, like do whatever I go through, you feel me? Ups and downs, if it's bad, I just got to know I got to keep pushing you for me, it's gonna happen. Okay. But like, moving forward though, how do you, so like, being an artist is ups and downs. Yeah.  Does a team help you with that?  Definitely a team. You definitely gotta, for me, have a team behind you that's gonna help you throughout, so like that. Family always, you feel me? Certain people got friends, good friends they can reach out to, but I would say just use the people you can talk to, you feel me? Somebody always needs somebody to talk to, if it's your girl or whatever, you feel me? Talk to her, you feel me?    Not on the internet to your friend. Yeah, bro. Fuck. But like, even dating, because remember when we was doing D&D, you had a girlfriend, single now, what's the status like? It's complicated, that's all I say, it's complicated right now, fucks.  Definitely, I feel like people be kind of wanting me for the rapper image, but you just gotta read people out, you gotta see them out, you gotta fill them out, you feel me? See what they really here for, or test them a couple times, you feel me?  I do think it'll get into like the posting, cause I know like, Boob and Rella, they made them a thing. I'm like, should I be posting this girl for like a week and never again? That's what I'm saying.    Like you feel me? Like it's just weird, like the way they go about it, and then you put it on the internet, now everybody looking at your girl, bro, they can swipe up, they can go to her grandma, they can DM her like, ooh, baby, hit me up. Like, it's just crazy, you know? So you not having access to your girl, I guess it's how you...  You feel me? I don't post a face, bro, no, you can let people know you got a girl, but don't let them know who it is. Okay, so do you feel like you're gonna do that? Like if you do, you're gonna not let them know who it is for a long time? Yeah, I ain't a lot. Are you like out the hood? Hell yeah, so I'm like going, probably like gave up drill, like tryna start my own label, let the other niggas do drill. Or would it be like, how long y'all been locked in? Yeah, definitely the matters on that too, like we have to been locked in for a long time because I wanna know like when I post you, like you ain't going nowhere, bro. Y'all young, so like what's a long time? Not a couple months. Not like a couple years, probably like five years minimum. Okay, five years on. Five years on. Five years on. Okay, so, but do you see, but like, do you see yourself like getting married though? I wouldn't say, she gotta sign a prenup, I ain't gonna lie. She gotta sign a prenup. If she willing to sign a prenup, I sign one too, you feel me? I don't want nothing from you. But, you feel me? Is she willing to sign a prenup? Yeah, I'll do it. I feel like she the right one, but if she's not willing to sign a prenup, it's not happening. No way. And I'm gonna make sure the state we do it in is right in my favor. Let's go. Ain't going to no state, get married worse in your favor because I've been doing my research, bro. Well, how the girls be getting money? Yes. And I'm put up with all y'all cheating and all of that. So, yeah. But if you know another cheat, don't marry him. I'm trying to marry him because Zanao, Zanao, don't marry him. You think they already had that plan? Yes. Yes. There's no point of doing that. Like, if you're marrying somebody, if you marry somebody, you should know like, I want to spend the rest of my life with them. Nothing should change that. Like, if you know he's a cheater and you're about to marry him, like him cheating on girl, when y'all marry shouldn't matter because you know what you're doing. You marry this guy.  You know what I mean? So it's like... Niggas is a bro. Black men don't cheat, bro. Black men don't cheat. Black men don't cheat. We all... Like, you never cheated. All right. So black men do cheat. And if he's a cheater, leave him. Basically, that's what I'm saying. I was a boy when I cheated, you know what I mean? I was a boy when I cheated. I was a man now, so I ain't know. No. But now the prenup is... Now, cause I feel like a lot of young people for like, it's not no love I have. Just use your hands, go dig in. So I'd be curious to see like, do y'all really see ourselves like selling down? The more you go through like those type of people, you're gonna start to figure out what you want and what you need, like what you feel if you really need.  Like, you gonna know. There's no if, ands, and buts, like, you gonna feel it. Like, when you come across it, it's gonna be a whole different feeling because you don't run through like 100, 200 girls that you know you don't want already. So you know what you're looking for, like. Yeah. So we're gonna play a game called This Is That. I'm gonna say, two artists, you just pick one that you feel like is better. Music wise, only music. Okay? Or it might be a platform, you say, which one you feel like is better. You could explain why if you want to. All right. Okay, so this is that, Kanye or Jay-Z? Kanye. And why? I don't know, I just like in personality wise, music wise, I feel like Jay-Z sucks as far. I'm sorry. I'm from Brooklyn, I said I was really like, Jay-Z, I like like two songs with Jay-Z, but he was like. Jay-Z is lyrically nice, bro. His features are good, I ain't gonna lie. His features are good, but every song by itself, that's his ass, I'm sorry. That's his whack. That's his whack, that's his whack, bro. But Kanye, you like the, what, the- I like every Kanye song like that. You like him because he's spontaneous. I think everybody like Kanye, he hit them with surprises. Like, yeah, like you don't know what he's coming with, he might hop on, he just hopped on, what he did something with Favi. Like, nobody expected that. Like, that was fire, bro. Like, nobody expected that, that's crazy. But Jay, even the business man he is, how well he's doing, Barclay, Centa, like- I mean, yeah. We ain't about to say he dirty, don't do that, but like, you know? Yeah, but I- I was talking about music wise, don't be. Yeah, music wise, I don't- Kanye is better. Yeah, I don't- We're not gonna say Jay is dirty, we're gonna say he, he work hard yet. Yeah, all right. Okay, Lil Wayne or Drake? Lil Wayne. Okay. Definitely because like, the way I like music, I don't know, Drake is more slow tempo, you feel me? He's like, for the girls and you know, soft music, light-skinned people, you feel me? Lil Wayne come fast, like, because he, the cadence, he's like, that's where I'm learning from, like, the speed of his rapping, like, she inspired me, bro. Like, I should fire, bro. All right, Pharrell or Timbaland? Timbaland. Okay. Can't go wrong with the Timbs? Come on, we from New York. Everybody love Tim. Oh, I'm talking about the producers. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You know Pharrell? Yeah, Pharrell Williams, the one that make the human races. He got the sneaker, right? Yeah, he got the sneaker, but he also a producer. I never heard none of his, none of his- Yes, you did. Who? Oh my God. What's his shit? What's his- What? He produced, like, he got Fergie and, like, man people. I didn't know, though. I never knew, though. I never knew, bro. Y'all need music education.  I never knew. Music education for y'all youngins, bro. I never knew he was a big maker. That's crazy, bro. Sheesh. All right, Chicago drill, New York drill. New York drill. I'm XX or Juice World?  Juice World.   Oh, it's fire. Kenzo B or Kenzo Bola? Music-wise. Kenzo Bola. For sure. Okay. I'm gonna lie about that. Is this there or Summer Walker? Summer Walker. D-Dang or U.S.G.s? U.S.G.s. Shai-Ken or B-Love? B-Love. Backwards or Dutches? Damn, that's hard, too. Backwards though? I like backwards. I like backwards. Ice Spice or Lotto? Ice Spice. No Jumper or Academics? No Jumper. Sure. Oh, you're just saying that. Yeah, Academics.   No comment. Swayzy or Please Don't Lie? Swayzy. Yeah, I like how Swayzy discreet with it. To me and let nobody know who... Please Don't Lie is discreet, too, but I kinda figured them out already. Blockwork this year or Lassie? This year, for sure. This year, for sure? Definitely. All right, so tell people where to find you, where to find me. I can find me, I'm on every platform, where they had my Instagram, block underscore work 58. I can find me everywhere with it, man. Y'all saw.


Hello everyone, this is Amit Dan of amitdan.com, today I'll have another episode of how to video and I'll talk about how to delete Instagram account. So today I'll show you how to delete or disable Instagram account but what it is that you'll not be able to delete or disable Instagram account from your phone app which is right here. So in order to do that you have to go to any desktop or an internet browser. So I'm going to take you to a browser and then from there I'll show you how to disable or delete your Instagram account. Just a tip that if you do not have access to a laptop or computer you can just go to internet browser on your phone just by opening the browser and you can delete it from there. But from the actual Instagram app there's no option to disable or delete Instagram account. So the first thing I'm going to show you how to disable or deactivate your account, before you do that you might want to save all your files on Instagram. So this would save all your pictures, messages or anything and in order to save all your files or folders or all your data just go to settings which is going to be the full button from your profile page. You have to log on to, you have to be logged in and then once you click here then you're going to be clicking on privacy and security and if you click on that then you're going to see an option on this on that page data download. So if you just click on that then here you have to just you know click next after entering your email or which should be populated there and then this would you know save everything on your Instagram account for example photos, comments or profile information and whatever you have there.  So the first thing we're going to be doing let's disable Instagram account and in order to do that when you're logged in and then just hit edit profile and then you're going to be coming to this page and if you just scroll down a little bit then the last option you'll see that temporarily disable my account so if you just click on that then it's just in asking why you want to disable your accounts and you just choose one of the reasons and then it's going to kind of give you default answers for whatever you choose but then if you still want to disable then just you know enter your password and then once you enter your password then you're going to have to hit this button right here just temporarily disable my account so that's how you disable or deactivate your account. So now let's go back to profile page again. If you'd like to delete your account there's no link or option from this page you have to kind of go to a custom you have to go to an URL to delete the account and the URL is right here so this is instagram.com slash accounts slash remove slash request slash permanent so if I just you know go to this URL which I'll be putting the browser in the address button and then you're going to be taken to a page where it shows delete your account and then same like disabling account it's going to ask you why are you deleting your accounts if you just you know choose an option then it's going to ask you enter your password and then once you enter the password hit permanently permanently delete my account and then that will start the process of deleting your account which could take up to 30 days so once you delete your account everything is gone you'll not be able to retrieve any photos info comments or anything so best to do the downloading which I showed you before just you know back up your account and then you can go ahead and delete your account so that's how you disable and delete your Instagram account thank you for watching this video forget about subscribing to this channel forget about liking this video there'll be more videos coming up so I'll see you shortly thank you


With his faithful Indian companion-tunnel, the masked rider of the planes led the fight for law and order in the early west in the United States. The stories of his strength and courage, his daring and resourcefulness have come down to us through the generations, and nowhere in the pages of history can one find a greater champion of justice. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear. From out of the past come the thundering hoof-feet of the great horse, Silver, the lone ranger rides again. Come on, Silver! The danger of a trail ahead! Years following the Gold Reich, many men in California rose to fabulous heights of wealth and power. One of these was Arnold Geerson, whose wealth reached out to develop the vast resources of the far west. Unlike the thousands of gold seekers, adventurers and parasites who sought to grab only what they could hold in their hands, Arnold Geerson was in the far west to stay. Geerson saw the growing influx of a disruputable element and knew that they could and would destroy what he and others like him had rested in this land of promise. He decided to strike at the heart the infamous Barbary Coast. In an effort to stamp out the viciousness, Geerson sought for and found the Lone Ranger. This mask rider of mystery, though reluctant to leave the plains and mountains of the cattle country, answered the call and soon found himself fighting a new type of criminal in the Barbary Coast. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear. From out of the past come the thundering hoofbeats of the Great Horse Silver, the Lone Ranger rides again. Oh, Silver! Hustle, boy! Hustle! Lone Silver! Look out for that night! Your warning did no good, my friend, eh? Stingery, you gave a tomb in the back? Eh, he's true. It is because he tried to step on me. If my enemies, it is ever so. But for that they call me Stingery. You're the most ruthless critter I ever seen. No one knew where Stingery came from. In his veins he had oriental blood mixed with that of many other nationalities. His skill with a knife made him notorious throughout the Barbary Coast. It was generally known that his café was merely an entrance to the summer deads for users of drugs. Cheaply, opium. Stingery, I've got to see you. You are looking at me. I mean... Maples say what you mean. I was standing by a minute ago when you ran your blade into that rubber. Yes. He was disposed of, was he not? He was, but old Dipsy was standing there. Been down below hitting the opium. Not for very long. No, he didn't have much cash tonight. Then he had better find some Dipsy or anyone else to not patronize my place on credit. The point I was trying to make Stingery is just like this. He didn't like it when you gave the rubber the knife. Ah.  You might make trouble. You know how things are nowadays. Tell me, Maples. Sit down and tell me how things are nowadays. No, boss. Even red-dreg Raven's worried with the way that newcomer's been making trouble. The newcomer? Yeah, they call him the lone ranger. I know. He's already sent a few boys to jail. Jail. It never happened before. Jails are for the weak, the foolish. Jails are for those so infantile in their enterprise that they leave proof of all they do and witnesses. Before I arrive in that jail, I will just play upon myself. A lone ranger in that red skin that's been working with him? Well, I put some mighty smart men in jail and they've gotten proof against him, too. They brought in law officers that ain't on your payroll or Raven's payroll. Honest lawman. Please stay to point to which you are directing this conversation. Dipsy. He was a little sore when he couldn't get all of the stuff he wanted on credit. He saw you run the knife into that critter. Yeah. He's likely to squeal. Who would take a word of a man like... Ah, perhaps I misuse the term man. Yeah. Who would take a word of a creature like him? He could tell the lone ranger how to get to your cellar where all the opium's handled. Come. I will dispose of this man. I thought it'd be a good idea. His death will result in the loss of very little business. He has had no money for weeks. Where is he? He was at the end of the bar when I came in here. Yeah, I'm damn right worried about this lone ranger. So is Greg Raven. When Raven's worried, there's cause to worry. Bowling. Howdy, Stingery. Hey, Dipsy. Ah, that old worthless hunk of budget food.  I see. I do wrong. Stingery, what's the trouble? I'm there in ordinary conditions, you did right. But now he must chain the small details of our debt. Hey, Stingery, there he is over yonder. There's an old woman with him. An old woman. You going over? Yeah. The mud's up to your ankle. I have servants to clean my boots. Hey there, old woman, we'll take care of Dipsy. Thank you, Mables. You're the old woman at Goldpeace and send her away. There you are. No. No, don't let him get me again. Don't let him take me back in there. Stingery will get me. Must have mad at her. Doesn't she speak English? Yeah, I'll strike a match and see what she looks like under that shop. You're not bothered. Help me. Here, another one. Oh, yes. He might follow us like before. I told you. Yes, yes, yes. You know. You got him both down the mud. Get clear.  Here, Scouts. He'll take you along. He ain't a woman at all.  You will. You pop here. Oh, mercy me. Get up, Scouts. Stingery, Stingery, get him. I threw him last night. You shall come. That's right. I got away. That was an Indian. Indian. That's what I thought. Dressed as a woman. No, he hit me an awful hard crack. Why did you not shoot sooner? I was out cold. Must have had a hooker iron in his fist. Me, Stingery. I tried a knife. It doesn't go there. Me, Stingery. Stingery, listen to me. My crows, look at them. Stingery, you got to calm down and listen. That red skin was a one, the friend of the Lone Ranger. And he took Dipsy with him. Lone Ranger will hear about your place from Dipsy. Maybe he can get proof of some sort now. Yeah. I will act. I will not wait for this Lone Ranger. I will act it once. Yeah. I will go and see Raven. Drag Raven will know what to do. Connell hurried from the muddy streets of the Barbary Coast to the small, well-concealed camp where the Lone Ranger was waiting. In a few words, the Indian explained how he'd rescued Dipsy and brought him to the camp. Come over here near the fire. What's your name? I... I got no name. They all called me Dipsy. You did have a name? I don't know. How old are you? Well, I think as old as a look. I ain't no good. But I was afraid. I know Stingery. He was sorry to let me out of his place. He should have killed me. You've been going there to use opium, haven't you? What's the difference? Who cares about me? Take it easy. Hello. Let him lie here in the blanket. Cover him and fix him warm broth. No, no, no. He'd fix him. Poor old fellow. I'd wreck up a man if I ever saw one. But maybe him'd help plenty that help us. Hello, I've heard of Stingery. But he's just one of the many who take orders from the boss of the Barbary Coast, Drag Raven. Not right.  Keep watch for long time. This guy's is a woman? Not right. What did you learn? Come from Raven Roos. Give bundle to fellow in Stingery's place. We hear him talk. Bundle holds plenty opium. Opium? Those fiends? So Raven supplies the opium? Not right. There are only some way we could get evidence against Stingery. The organization has been built it's almost impossible to get proof that we'll stand in court. We go there with plenty, ma'am? Too many lawmen are in the pay of the crooks. Our plans would be known ahead of time. We'd get no evidence. Not right. I'm going to call an obligation. You go there now. Yes. What you do there? I ain't got something about the laws in California. See, just what has to be found in the way of evidence. You go there now. Yes. What you do there? I ain't got something about the laws in California. See, just what has to be found in the way of evidence before the law can act with men who view and dope. Here's a little bit. You're adding a big color. Otto, you stay with this old man and take care of him. You might have some information we could use. Stingery went to the rear room of Greg Raven's café, the Raven's Roost. He found Greg and several others. Hard-faced men seated around a large table, but there was one man who looked far different from the others. He was tall, his face was white and clean-shaven.  Sit down, Stingery. I want, uh, about to send over to your place. Yes. And why? Why, Raven, were you about to send for me? I wanted to meet this gent who... I would have been here an hour ago, only I had some trouble with an Indian. An Indian, I said, Raven. You know what I mean? Friend of the Lone Ranger? Yes, he was dressed as an old woman. He disarmed me. Me, Stingery, could be disarmed by Indian. Stingery, that Indian and the masked men who with him have gone too far. That's why I've got Warden Waddles here. Who? Shake hands with him. Waddles? It's here, Stingery. And he is a man with a knife that ever lived. He came delighted to meet you, Chris. Who are you? Sit down, Stingery. Waddles just got in from Denver. He had to clear out of those parts because of a few tricks that he does with cards. Not a gamble, he's not sure. But an in-kind feat is dealt from the bottom of the deck. A fool in Denver who will interest me. Up my sleeve. Yeah, never mind why you had to light out a Denver. You're here now and we're going to make good use of you. You help us, Waddles, and you can have more cash than you would make in a year at dealing from the bottom of the deck. Stingery, where do you hear my scheme? Yes, I am interested, Waddles. Well, you can see for yourself that Waddles looks like a fine gentleman. His face and hands are as white as a girl's. His clothes ain't got a spot of dirt on them. Well, I'll explain him to him how he's to go and call on Arnold Geerson. He's to pose as a reformer that wants to help clean out the buffery coast. Yes, and not as Arnold Geerson to do it. Geerson's the one that got the lone ranger on us. And you see? There remains much to this to be explained. I'll give you all the details after the warden leaves. He's got to get going before it's too late for him to call on Geerson. Start out, Waddles. Remember the play as I outlined it. By the time the lone ranger had been from camp to the mansion on Nob Hill where Arnold Geerson lived, the warden Waddles had already been there with the millionaire for some time. There was a wrap on the window of Geerson's library. What did he say? Tell it to you, huh, Waddles? That's a friend of mine, of one you'll be glad to see here. In the way you jerked around and reached into your coat, I thought you'd come up with a gun. My friend, your man in my position? Oh, come in, I'm glad you're here. Mr. Geerson, I... Oh, it's all right. This is Warden Waddles. He's offered his help in smashing the Barbary Coast. I see. The masked man. What about whom I've heard so much? Your name is Waddles? Yes. It's through my work in trying to lift the falling creatures of the world of trial and tribulation. I knew the ins and outs of most places. He was explaining that he could get into the inner chambers and the cellars of almost every place in the Barbary Coast. Things have reached that point where it is necessary that a strong hand of righteousness wields the sword of justice and vengeance. I came here tonight to ask Mr. Geerson about the laws of the state. As one man who's a ringleader in the underworld. Greg Raven. I've heard of him. I want to smash him. I knew his place. I knew it well. There are no idea, Warden Waddles. How much your help will mean to me, I can understand. I knew from Mr. Geerson how you've had to fight practically single-handed. Well, my friend, now we can fight together side by side. And I'm sure you'll find that my help will lead to unexpected results. The curtain falls on the first act of our Lone Ranger story. Before the next exciting scene, please come as a pause for just a few moments. Let's continue our story. In Arnold Geerson's library, the Lone Ranger and Warden Waddles discussed plans for smashing some of the worst places in the Barbary Coast. Well, now where do we stand? Mr. Geerson. He's a deck of playing cards. Cards? Well, yes. I want to use them for a moment. There is some right here in the table. Curious, but somehow I never thought of human connection with playing cards. They can be used for a lot of things. Other than gambling, can't they waddle a stick? Well, I don't know why. You probably wouldn't. Oh, here are the cards. Well, at least do them, unless you have a new deck. At least we'll do very nicely. Shuffle them. Would you please, Waddles? Well, yes, of course. Then put them there on the table. We'll cut. You and I. What are we cutting for? What's when you're burned? You and I are going to attack. Greg Raven. Yes, I know.  Highman does it. Well, you cut first. Barely. A three. A very high, isn't it? A ten. Well, it's up to me. But what is that assignment? What are you going to have to do? As long as I have to do it, there's no use wasting time on detail. Well, perhaps not. Wait. What is it? It's nothing, I guess. Probably a night bird. We let the window open. You startled me. And me? I declare you're acting rather unusual tonight. Unusual night, Mr. Gerson. Now, as to our plans, Wattles. Tomorrow night, we'll attack Raven's Roost. Yes. We can take him by surprise. I'm sure we can find enough evidence to put him in prison. Very late. You'll have to play your part, though. I explained to Mr. Gerson that I was in a position to be of help. I'll have a group of men who will attack Raven's Roost. And I? Can you be there with others to make sure no evidence is destroyed? Of course. And see that none of the secret doors are closed? We've been doing it. Now, look here. Are you sure you can get enough reliable men to make an attack of that sort? I think I'll have all the men we'll need, Mr. Gerson. Well, I hope so. But there'll be great risk. If we're successful, there will be great results. Warden Wattles left the Gerson mansion in high spirits and played to the Barbaric Coast, to Raven's Roost, and to the office where Raven and Stingery were waiting. Yes, you've been... Well, these those probably see my expectation. All right, Wattles. Never mind the prolific. Get to the point. Did you see Gerson? I did. How did he take your skin? I told him I was in a position to know the inside layout of certain places. But while we talked, the nice man came in. Yeah, the low ranger? Yes. Well, I didn't shoot, and I had no gun. Would it look well for me, a reformer, a man of refinement, and high principles to go about on with a lead of weapon? That's right. Tell us what worked out. Tomorrow night, the lone ranger, the group of men with him, planned to attack Raven's Roost, my place. Good. And we know all about it ahead of time. I am to be in Raven's place to be sure that no one shuts the doors to the cellars and make sure no evidence is hidden. Oh, good. All you have to do, Raven, is arrange to have a score of good gunmen on hand.  Just to be on the safe side, I better get rid of all the opium I got on hand. Yes. I'll send it to your place, Stingery. You can keep it with the stores. And better not let any customers around tomorrow night. Just the gunslingers.  During the next day, the lone ranger and tato, Pat and Mary's poor old Gypsy, and at nightfall brought him to the sheriff where he might tell his story. But the lawman was nothing too optimistic. No matter what he tells Mask Man, it would take more than his word to get a jury to put Stingery in jail. That was a trade, it might. The only way to get them is to find the ovum in their possession. And that would convince a jury? It might, if you could show that Stingery was selling it to the poor devils. A privilege like Dipsy here. Very well. And Dipsy, this is the first time I've seen you in months when you got your chin above your chest. I found a friend. There's nothing wrong with this man that can't be cured by decent living. Well, I always said the same. I'm sure that Stingery, I don't know who to say that. But as long as that dinner has exist, you'll find a way to lure you into it. You have any money to spend? You said... I said you were going to help us smash the thing that nearly smashed you. You still think I ain't done for for keeps? Of course you're not. Sheriff needs men like you. Sheriff needs everyone who's willing to oppose rats like Stingery. He would have killed me. Sheriff, I want this man's phone in as a deputy. Dipsy, deputy sheriff? For tonight. Well, if you say so. Mr. Gerson's told me about you. After leaving the sheriff's office, the Lone Ranger raced to meet Tutto. Then the two guided their horses to the shore where no lights through the streets and honky-tonks broke the other darkness. This would be a good place to leave the horses to lose hubby. I am told, don't come. Of course. We'd go on foot climbing. While the Lone Ranger and Tutto made their stealthy way toward the road barbary coast dives, Drogrevin sided Raven's Roast with the gambler who had posed as a reformer. Well, how'd it look to your warden? First to your treat and first to your tea. There ain't a man here who don't wear at least two guns and a knife. As long as they can use them, that's the mean thing. They can use them. How about the dope? Send it all over to Stingery's. Oh, here he comes now. Hello, Stingery. Yeah, looks like we're all set. Yeah, when the Lone Ranger is getting coming here, we'll see the room of the usual number of Peters, but they won't know that everyone has been told about his coming. There will be nothing until the signal. And then Trent begins. We speak as one. I should get him the knife for sure. I think it's your place, Stingery. I told the warden to keep out everyone that looked like he might make any trouble. Good idea. Did you get the opium I sent over? Yes, I put it with my foot. It makes me so that we got to worry about the law. I'll be glad when that Lone Ranger and all his notions are wiped out. He will all be glad. It's about time for that masked man and his gang to show up, ain't it? Just about to. Now, boys, don't open fire until I give the word. Let them get well inside this place so they can't get away. The Lone Ranger and Tutto made their way through the muddy streets. Ahead they saw the Ravens roost, and a few blocks further on the sign that proclaimed Stingery's. The Ravens roost, Tutto? The Ravens' place? I wonder how well the plan will work, uh... I mean, I don't know. Right here. Can you see inside? Ah, plenty of summer and ravens roost. Ravens, killers. Stingery, they had two. And I see waddles. Ah, come on. They're going on to Stingery's. Here we are, Tutto. Stay a few places in the back of me. Keep me covered. Keep your back against the wall at all times. Ah, and they know. Hello, dude. Keep your hand where they can be seen. The Masked Man, what's he doing here? He's not even going to Ravens. They're right where you are. The one is to leave here. Watch yourself. I ain't doing nothing. I'm only the barkeeper. Get back against the wall and stay there.  Get over there next to the bartender. Quickly. The man in Stingery's place were hurted against the wall and searched by Tutto for weapons. Then, while the Indian held them, the low ranger dashed to the rear and opened the door. All right, Sheriff. Come in and bring your deputy. Come on, Debsy. I'll show you where the drugs are used. I know the way to that underground hand. Go ahead. If we can get evidence here. Here we got it tonight. Stingery and Raven and all their gunmen are waiting for us to show up somewhere else. Here's the place, Sheriff. Found these ladders. Chance, I've been waiting for. Meanwhile, Greg Raven was increasingly uneasy as he sat in his own cafe with Warden Waddles. Stingery in a score of murderous gunmen. Waddles, it's past the time when that masked man and his men should be here. So what's the delay? I don't know the evening. I thought you'd be here. But he is. Stingery, he's sitting here waiting for anyone.  If we've been...  I'm still giving orders. Waddles, if you had any double-cross and... No, no, no, no. Hey, Stingery, that's your bartender to just come in. Waddle here. Waddle here. Mask man in the law. Watch your mask. Well, I ran all the way here. They just left. The sheriff is taking him below the dipty. He went out with a whole load of drugs and a half of dozen critters of you that they've arrested the whole kitten caboodle. Well, that's someone who's paid. Waddles, you hear that?  Stingery had done it at his place with his gunmen. The law would never have gotten in. They never would have found any evidence. I tell you, I don't know. You that had everyone here in my place waiting for a raise. I even attend to him. I'll take care of this personally. You Stingery. Get out of here. Get back to your own joint. But, Raven, I need help now. The law will arrest me.  You'll tell who told you the opium. That'll involve me, won't it? I wouldn't squeal on you, Raven.   Now, get this. The law has never got me because I never gave anyone a chance to squeal on me. Raven, you are my friend. You are my friend. Yes, sir.  Why? Take these two out the back way. Show me, old man. No, no, no, no. My thanks in the morning, Deputy. I'll give you a steady job. Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Gerson. Thanks, knowing. No, you can thank that mask, man. The butler will show you what. Yes, sir. I'm the man again by Juniper.  We can talk in this library. Thanks, Mr. Gerson, but I must leave. Potter's waiting. Is it good night's work? Stingray is smashed. He and Waddles are dead. There's no way to prove that Raven's a murderer. So the head man is still free? Yes. Away before you leave. How did you know that Waddles was an imposter? He was a gambler. Well, I was just outside this window before I tapped and he sat here with you. Yes, I remember. I tapped when the window startled him. His hand went for a gun beneath his coat where a gambler's carry theirs. It was a strange gesture for a man such as Waddles claimed to be. And I asked for cards. But when he handled them and shuffled them to trade him, and to make sure I frightened him again, and he went to the gun, it wasn't there. So you knew then that he was a gambler? Well, that's too simple. Raven said, What's that in? That we're using to our advantage. Close the window after me. Will you, Mr. Gibson? If you can only get Greg Raven. Please, make Raven know that he's in a war. The war is to the finish. I don't tell you that!


I think the session was very wonderfully organized, audience has been very engaging and I would hope that there are many more such sessions specifically on CTV that we have going forward. It's comparatively new and we are just starting this journey in India. So everyone is looking at lot more knowledge so that we can you know learn from each other and help this medium and ecosystem scale in times to come. Okay, so the next question is from a reach measurement perspective, is there a difference between CTV and other digital devices? Yeah, so I think fundamentally I would say what marketeers essentially care for is from a reach perspective is how many people did my campaign reach out to and at what frequency did they see my campaign or how many times did they end up seeing my campaigns. Unlike let's say mobile or desktop which are very personalized individual devices on CTV we always need to factor in the reality that there could be multiple people sitting on the other side of the screen watching the content and coming across the ad. So there are certain differences, co-viewing for example is one metric which may not be as much applicable for mobile device or desktop but would be very much applicable for CTV as a medium.