Hi everybody, welcome back to HPE Discover 2023. You're watching theCUBE's continuous coverage. We go out to the events. We extract the signal from the noise. I'm Dave Vellante. I'm here with Rob Streche. Lisa Martin is also in the house. John Furrier is on a plane. He'll be at MongoDB tomorrow. So check that out. But, and we'll be back here tomorrow as well for day three. But right now we're excited to have Justin Hottard back on theCUBE. He's executive vice president and general manager for HPC and the AI business group at HPE. Hewlett Packard Enterprise and Hewlett Packard Labs, right? So exciting stuff. Justin, good to have you back. Great to be here, Dave. And we just need a supercomputer to get my title right, is that it? Yeah, GPT, we're running through it. Shorten this title. But anyway, welcome back. What kind of cool stuff you're working on these days? Yeah, we had a little announcement yesterday that I think is pretty exciting. We've announced that HP is entering the AI cloud and we're launching our first public cloud service with HP GreenLake for large language models. So we're super excited about it. Yeah, so maybe take us through the story. We had Dr. Goh on before and he was giving us the sort of 101 on how supercomputer workloads are different than the traditional cloud workloads. But maybe we could unpack that a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. And I think probably the first fundamental thing is the bigger these models get, the more that you need supercomputing. So if you just sort of step back and say, gosh, why do I run into this problem in the first place? It's that to build accurate models, whether they're large language models or they're for scientific research or climate and weather, we need big data sets. You imagine you don't want to predict the weather by looking at the last three weeks of the weather, it's not going to be very accurate. So you need big data sets and the larger those data sets get, the harder it is to fit them into one computer. In fact, the more likely you're going to need to paralyze them across a lot of computers. And that turns out to be what we've been doing in supercomputing for years. Meaning one workload versus in the cloud, you're talking about multiple workloads on a single virtual machine. Looks like you got Dr. Go's lesson. Yeah, I mean, but okay. So my next question is how hard is it going to be for the cloud guys to sort of replicate that? Is it just sort of not in their DNA? Is it, is there IP that you have that you know the old, there's no compression algorithm for experience that you've got now the kind of flipping little jiu-jitsu move on cloud? Well, first of all, I think it's complementary to what the public cloud players are doing. So I see this as an opportunity for partnership and extension. But there are things that we know how to do and they start with our core in supercomputing, which is really how we compile and optimize and distribute the code so that it runs reliably across all of those, all of those computers at once. And then the other thing is, you know, and we've all been around hardware for a long time is hardware always fails. And so it's also how you build the richness into the software layer to solve for those hardware fail failures and have the code keep running, which is very different than what you do in a traditional cloud or virtualized environment where if the hardware fails, you just move the workload to another device, right? And so solving that problem is just, it's very orthogonal to what, you know, say a typical private cloud or public cloud technology stack does. Same thing with multi-tenancy. What we're doing in a supercomputer is we're making that whole cluster available to you at once, letting you run your instance on it. It's just for you, it's completely dedicated. But then in a couple of hours when your job's done, that whole supercomputer goes away. You don't have access to it. That's very different than dividing, slicing up small parts of a computer, of a server, right, to be able to run multiple applications at once. But strategically you could have chosen to put your IP in the public cloud, run it there. You're choosing not to. So that says to me that you feel as though you've got a distinct IP advantage that you can bring to your customers that is unique. Yeah, I think there's quite a bit that we bring beyond the stack I was just talking about. There's tools that enable programming and optimization, training of large models. And those are things that we think are complementary. I mean some of that today actually runs in the public cloud so our users can get started training AI models or building out some of their simulations in the public cloud. And then we can bring them over to a much larger system to run a much bigger model, train a much bigger model. So we think we've got IP there. We think what we do is complementary. And then honestly, we've got a core customer base that comes to us for technical expertise, right? What I would almost call a technical cloud. And so that, I think that's the other thing that we bring to this market. And that model you described yesterday, I mean that's not actually that unique in the commercial world. Yeah, I'm going to do some dev in the cloud, but when I really want to, you know, get into the runtime and I want to, for whatever reason, I want to run it on-prem. Yeah, no, that's a great point, David. I think the other thing, if you think about this, we're talking about training models in a supercomputing cloud. When I go back out to deployment, right, I need to actually go run that and put the inference computing. I've got that model. Now I actually want to run in the world so I can answer questions or query images. That may be deployed back in a public cloud. That's why I see this as such a natural partnership. And so that could be a public cloud instance. It could be a private cloud instance on HPE GreenLake. But this is also where it all goes back to that one platform for customers, right? Having that unified platform with HPE GreenLake where I can see the data, I can move the data in, train my models, deploy back out and do what works for me and works for my business. And it seems like there's a strong fit with we had just had the Esmeral folks on and that whole data fabric and getting the data there and what they're doing with some of the open source stack. How did they play together, I guess, is that? Well, one thing that's kind of a principle is open source. So if you think about what they're doing, they've got this fabric, the data fabric that makes it easy to move data back and forth, helps you organize and structure it, maintains its persistence. That's really important in an AI workload because you're dependent on all that data and you want to keep capturing the data, right? As the model's running, you want to keep capturing new data so you keep it current and updated and learn from it. That fits right in. And in fact, what we're doing with our software stack with the machine learning development environment and even the work we're doing around the data management platform is they're designed to plug in right on top of Esmeral. And you guys announced LLMs as a service and you talked about kind of three different use cases right out of the gate. I'm potentially a fourth one coming soon, I believe. And I think one of the things that it made me think about was what if somebody wants to bring their own model? Is that part of it as well? Yeah, I think our real vision here is longer term as a model marketplace. We're going to contribute some things. We want customers and partners to bring their models and tools. And we also want to offer what we would say are best of breed models. And I think that the reason we started with LLMs is we see a real need for a single tenant, large language model, where someone can bring their data, bring their needs, their workload, train it on a model privately, have their data protected, and then go out and deploy that. And that's, there's a ton of demand for that. And right now that's an unmet need in the market. One of the things that the cloud brought is it sort of leveled the playing field. I could, as a small company, you can get great security. You can get at least cheap experimentation, things like that. Is there an analog in this large language model of the world where you're sort of democratizing or leveling the playing field for many more customers? Yeah, I mean, I think about what, there's a demo on the show floor here what our HP services team did. And it was really in less than a month that they started with this idea that we want to start using this HP Greenlight for LLM's platform to just start automating our support experience. And they went from that idea to within a few weeks having a functional prototype where they can actually run real cases on the HP Electra server, storage platform. So that's the kind of speed to deployment that you just can't get. You know, if we were talking about this in supercomputing, we'd still be talking about where are we going to put the facility and how are we going to get the power to run the supercomputer, right? So this is a huge acceleration from that perspective. And I think, you know, I think there's also a ton of opportunity for new innovations, new business models. I mean, that's why when I talk about this, like I always go back to web 1.0 where you think about all the businesses that would never have been able to launch their business model, you know, in web 1.0, but we're able to once, you know, once they started to get access to the cloud and cloud services, it just took the barrier down so much. And I think this is the same story. Yeah, and best practices get shared much more quickly. When mistakes are made, you fix them fast, you don't make the same mistake twice. And so everybody benefits from that. I want to ask you about sort of the example with the web.  The internet helped a lot of incumbent companies. Example, Dell, go and sell in PC's direct or HP Inc. as well. So you had incumbents that were able to take advantage of it. There was disruption, books, retail, of course. How do you see this AI era in terms of that wave? Is it a benefit for incumbents? Is it going to be a disruptive? Both? How do you see it? I think it's both. I think it's both. The incumbents that have taken advantage of any of these cycles did it because they recognized the trends, figured out where they had unique IP and they could add value. That's exactly what we're doing here. I think that's absolutely an opportunity, you know, a play. But there's going to be a ton of new business models, new sources of innovation. And I think that creates new opportunity for startups to come in and build and create value. And we're already seeing a ton of that with consumer, you know, consumer LLM applications and uses and workloads. But I think we're only scratching the surface because there's so much innovation in transforming the customer experience on a B2B side. Yeah, so your HPE's interest is not in helping customers, or maybe it is, but not directly helping customers disrupt search. That's not what you're doing. You're not doing consumer. But when you think about life sciences and medical those industries are so ripe. I mean, every industry has a disruption scenario that's sort of now we're starting to see the digital impact. You know, and AI is really bringing that into fine focus. Well, Dave, even if you think about some of the hurdles in the past, if you look at some of the challenges with taking some of these technologies early, like Web 1.0 and deploying them into businesses, there were so many challenges with changing the business process, changing the legacy software architectures, right? And really breaking through, I think with AI what's so compelling is you don't actually have to, you have to deal with some of that, but you don't have the same hurdles because you can bring the data, bring the insight, and you can actually automate a lot of the development. So I think it's a really interesting accelerator and that's why we're so excited to be at the ground floor of it. Help people understand sort of the whole notion of trust and explainability and reliability of the data because you think about, I mean, GPTs for amazing, takes tests, does calculus, pretty well, et cetera, passes law exams, but I wouldn't necessarily trust it to really drive medical solutions, or even legal, things like that. So help people understand your strategy in terms of driving those types of outcomes. Yeah, absolutely. So if you look at what we've announced for HV Greenlink for LLMs with Alaphalfa, they've got a foundation model that's trained on language. What it understands is language very well. What it doesn't try to do is understand everything. So then what you bring into it is your own proprietary data. So let's take a legal example. I'm going to bring my contracts into that and train a model on my contracts with a foundation model that really understands language well. By the way, understand six languages well, so I can train my contracts from France and Germany and many other countries on that foundation model. Now what I've got is an expert model that's tuned just for that application. So when I go ask it something about my legal contracts, it's trained an expert. I think it's a great point. The problem with these general purpose models, the open models, they're great for consumer applications, but they're learning from everywhere, right? And so they're learning from people that are right or wrong and they can't distinguish it. With these privately trained models, not only do you get all of that, but you get explainability, you get auditability. So you can actually see, hey, why did the model answer this question that way? What contract did it go back and find that it decided that that was the answer? That's the level of specificity. And you think, I've got a general view that for us to have broad adoption of AI in enterprise, we have to be auditable. We have to be explainable. We have to be responsible because there's no way an insurance company, for example, is going to bet replacing its actuarial tables on a model that it doesn't understand extremely well what its assumptions are and why it's underwriting the risk the way it's underwriting. So true. And then when you're trained on the internet and social media, there's going to be a lot of garbage in there. And the system has to be evolved so that it knows how to parse what's right and what's wrong. And that's really not the objective, at least today anyway, but it is your objective. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I think one of the things that kind of what we've talked about previously and it was around sustainability and why it's different at the super computer level versus just the standard using GPUs in a box, at a pro line level, for instance. Yeah, that's a great point, Rob. So the supercomputers, what's happened in the history of supercomputing is we had to go down the path of liquid cooling and efficiency because what we were dealing with was so much density and so much heat coming off these chips that we had to find a different way to cool them. Fans weren't good enough. So we ventured into liquid cooling many years ago and now we're very expert at it. We also, you know, many of these centers and other things have, you know, centers and other deployers of these systems have always looked at clean power as a foundational principle because they realize the amount of power they're consuming with their systems and they want to do it in a sustainable way. When you put those two things together, what you get is something that's by de facto green if you make the investments. And what I mean by that is now I've got clean power and I'm cooling the system with water. I actually, I don't have big air conditioners. I don't have to manage all of the environmental constraints. And then the last thing that happens is if I can actually take the wastewater and use it to heat something because it comes out pretty hot, it comes out like 40 degrees C or even higher in some cases. Now I can actually reuse that. I'm actually getting carbon negative. It's a really, really powerful, really, really powerful story. And our commitment is we're not gonna, we recognize AI is gonna be a massive incremental compute demand for many enterprises. And like, as we're one of them, but many enterprises have committed to carbon neutrality, taking the pledge to be carbon neutral not only by 2050, but in some cases fully carbon neutral by 2040. There's no way we can add all this compute and not have it be at least carbon neutral because what we'll be doing is sending companies backwards while they're trying to make progress forwards, right? And so I think it's, to me, it's a foundational principle. I believe it's differentiating, but I also think it's fundamentally important. And as a citizen in the climate, as a human being, I also realize we've got to be doing, not only be doing great things for humankind with our research computers and the technology we can bring to bear, but we got to also make sure that we're doing our part to make the planet healthier. And Justin, just to refresh our memories, this is available the second half of this year? Yeah, so North America and the second half, and I think of this as availability zones. I've had a couple of questions about this. So North America second half, it doesn't mean that someone who's not in North America can't use it. It's just that if you've got privacy or GDPR requirements or other things, it'll be North America second half at 23 and then in Europe early in 24. Justin, thanks very much for coming back to theCUBE. Congratulations and best of luck doing some good work for the first society. Thanks so much guys, appreciate it. You bet. All right, keep it right there. Dave Vellante with Rob Stretche, Lisa Martin. We'll also be back. We're at HPE Discover 2023. This is day two. Up next, we're going to follow the money. Keep it right there.


Narcissists, how do you know? Happy New Year to all my survivors watching this video. I hope you all had a good time. On this video I am going to be giving you clear signs that you are or were dealing with narcissists. Please like the video, share your thoughts in the comments, subscribe if you haven't subscribed yet and share the video with anyone who you believe it may help. Check out our Reddit community where survivors of narcissistic abuse can share their knowledge and experiences. To access the Reddit community please sign up through our Patreon page in the video description. How do you know if someone is a narcissist? You could check the DSM5 and see if you can apply 5 of the 9 traits to whoever you believe may be a narcissist. But sometimes that isn't very practical. Sometimes it's difficult to make that apply to what you are dealing with in real life. You could have narcissists in your family, a relationship, social circle or workplace and you may have always known that something was not right but through manipulative tactics such as denial, projection, blame shifting and gaslighting the narcissist managed to convince you that you were the problem. So you never looked at them as being at fault and the narcissist never acknowledged that they were ever at fault. There's your first sign. Because we all have mistakes and faults at some point in our lives. That's what makes us human. But what separates us from the narcissist is that we can acknowledge and admit to our mistakes and faults. Narcissists are self-absorbed. They only care about themselves. They don't really care about you. Sometimes they will pretend to care. But notice that's only when they are trying to get something out of you. When they are trying to use you for something or get you to do something for them, everything revolves around them and they just pick and choose people to suit their needs. If you have nothing to offer them, you will likely never hear from them again if you are no longer giving them narcissistic supply.  In any family, relationship, social circle or workplace, there will always be faults or mistakes. We all do things wrong. We all say things that we don't mean from time to time. This is normal human behaviour and we are willing to acknowledge and accept these faults or mistakes. But when it comes to the narcissist, they will not acknowledge or accept their faults or mistakes. If they have done or said something that hurt you, try asking them to sit down so you can talk about it with them. They can't do that. For one thing, they are afraid of being emotionally vulnerable. They are afraid of the truth because the truth is against them. How can you be real with someone who doesn't even value the truth? How can you ever have an open, honest conversation with someone like that in the rare occasion that they do decide to sit down and talk to you about whatever it is they've done? They will not acknowledge or accept their faults or mistakes unless they are in a severe crisis. Instead, they will deny any responsibility or accountability and then shift the blame onto you. They will start an argument about you confronting them or making an accusation about them. It takes the focus off them and puts it onto you. They have to do this because they cannot be seen as being at fault. They have to be seen as being perfect. Of course, the reason why they have to be seen as being perfect is because they are more flawed than most. Accepting one fault opens the gate for them to have to accept all of the other faults and mistakes they've made. Narcissists are weak. They are not strong enough to accept their faults or mistakes. Just like they are not strong enough to own their own flaws or insecurities, they have to project them onto you. Hopefully, this should be enough for you to identify whether or not you have been dealing with a narcissist. If it's not, I do have one finishing point which should reveal a deeper truth of your situation. We know that narcissists have to isolate their victims. We know that they are pathologically envious and jealous. Narcissists have an inferiority complex. They can't help but to plot to destroy every aspect of your life. They will sabotage your career, your finances, hobbies and interests, friendships, relationships, anything which is significant to you. Look at your life now and recognize how many career opportunities, how much money, how many hobbies and interests, friendships and relationships have disappeared in the last few months, years or however long it has been. Now you may think that you were the cause of that. Maybe it was your fault that you lost that job, money, hobby, friend or partner. But here is how you know that it wasn't you. In a healthy, narcissist-free situation, all of those things come naturally to you. At some point you will find a good career opportunity, you will earn money, you will have the time and energy to do well in a hobby, you will develop friendships and relationships. All of this comes naturally to you. Just as it did before you met the narcissist, how many career opportunities did you have back then? How much money did you make? How many hobbies and interests did you have? How many friendships and relationships did you have? I'm sure it was far more than what you have now. And that is how you know that it's not you. You are not at fault here. You are not the problem. You always had the qualities and the capabilities to develop all of that. The only thing stopping you from achieving all of that again is the narcissist. You didn't notice because the narcissist shifted the blame onto you. They made you believe that you were not good enough for that career. You are not efficient at making money. You are not good at your hobby or interest. You have no friends or you are not good at making friends. You are not good with men or women. Well if that's true, how were you so good at all of that before the narcissist came into your life? The very things that the narcissist is pointing the finger at you for and laughing, really they should be laughing at themselves.  They destroy good opportunities. They divide friendships and relationships.   They destroy everything. And that's how you know that they are narcissists because nothing will ever work out when you are with them. In a normal, healthy environment, all of that comes together on its own, just as it did before in your life. But in the narcissist world, your choices and decisions do not matter. Your choices and decisions do not affect an end result. You can apply for all of the jobs in the world. It will not go anywhere. You can start new hobbies or interests, but you will not have the time or energy to do them. Your efforts will be criticized and devalued. You can try making friends or having relationships. But it will never work out because the narcissist has already planted seeds in their minds. And you may not even have the qualities which made you the attractive person you once were. So this is how you know that you are dealing with narcissists because when you are around normal, emotionally healthy people, things will work out. Your career will come together. You will be able to start new hobbies or interests. You will develop friendships and relationships with good people, but this cannot take place when you are in a narcissistic environment. But at least now, with these signs that I have given you, you should know whether or not you are dealing with a narcissist.  And that's why when you leave the narcissist, you will need to rebuild all of those attractive qualities you once had. Self-love, self-worth, self-esteem, self-belief, self-respect, self-assurance. Notice how these qualities all have self at the beginning because they are all defined by how we feel on the inside. Which means that only we can develop them. I hope that this video has helped you to identify whether or not you are dealing with a narcissist in your life. Get them out and move on in your life without them. They will only hold you back from achieving great things. So let's start 2019 without these people in our lives. Sometimes you have to make bigger changes if you want to see bigger results. In some cases, you just have to put it all on the line. Clear the toxicity from your life. Disinfect your circle. And then you will start to see all of those things you once had and so much more. Develop again. I hope you enjoyed the video. Happy New Year. And I look forward to speaking with you soon in the next video.


Promise me for, on this particular dance edition, we are going to bring the one and only Aggie. I see the main man himself, Murome is in the building as well. He'll be coming on later. But before that, my people, we will talk to you and then we'll talk to the main lady of the day. So what's up everybody, Karibusana to the Dance Queen Aggie. Actually, it's Aggie the Dance Queen, yes? Yes, sure, sure. Karibusana. We're glad to have you here. My name is Jere Mochache. You can find me, enjoy underscore Mochache. And as Barry said, this is social Friday. We're going to be talking to a wonderful dancer over here. I was going to teach us a couple of things about dancing. Don't forget the moves. Yes, we're also going to try out a couple of moves. And Barry and I will see whether we can dance. I'm very competitive, Joy, by the way. We have to get into our competition. I know, but we'll also add some fun to it. So we'll have a blast. And also remember, you can watch us on DSTV channel 376. Yes, we have gone international and also find us on Facebook. That is Y254channel, Instagram. It's Y254 underscore channel on Twitter. That is Y254channel. All right, so VDJ Khalifa, you've been listening to the sounds of VDJ Khalifa himself. It's always a party starter. It's having a good time. How are you feeling, man? Never stopped the music. I never stopped the music. Yeah, never stopped the music. We're going to be talking about Aggie the Dance Queen. We did, you know what I mean? I'm sure. This isn't it there. Actually, I'm sure.  So, I'm sure you'll improve, man. You have to clap for me. Anyway, Aggie, your camera is number four, I think. But maybe you can introduce yourself. No way I could do credentials. What is this? My name is Aggie the Dance Queen. That's my stage name. I'm part of Sarakasi Dancers. I'm a choreographer. I'm a trainer. I'm a Zumba instructor. I'm a mentor. And, yes, all round. All round. And so many other things. And so many other things that sit as a maleho. I'll just say maleho. Anyway, welcome to Aggie.  Some people claim that that dress is more popular than you are. Is it a dress or a jumpsuit? It's a jumpsuit. All right. I don't know if it's a famous cushion. Do you agree? No, I don't. Because Kamasinge Iva, I think it's very famous, right? Yes. So we complimented each other. You complimented each other. Me, Daniel, your dress took out one thing. It took out one thing. It took out perfect. All right. Speaking of that dress, speaking of that outfit, that jumpsuit, how come you didn't come with it today? You didn't want to grace our stage with it today. Amma, it's just been brought up too many times. Yes, and I think it's time now. It just took a rest. It took a rest. Because there was even an animation we're watching earlier on that was wearing that exact outfit. Yes, Fatboy made that. Fatboy made that. What was your reaction when you first interacted with the animation? The first time, yes. I think the first time I met Fatboy was when we were doing the mentorship for Blaze. And I used to see, I used to love his the comic part of this one now. Yes, and when he sent me this, actually it's not him, it's someone who tagged me. Why did he exaggerate your legs like that? That is what animation is all about. Oh my gosh. And to make it look so nice because at least kids can relate to it. Yes. And it's a more fun way of showing or expressing that dance. But you want to put the outfit to rest. It has been to rest since last year. Since last year. I can't even wait. Have you got people asking you if you can sell it to them? Yes, a lot of people. And I've sold a few to some people. But that outfit mine is secretly hidden. That one I can't say. We are going to have it in a museum somewhere sometime soon after you are gone. Call of Fame. People don't know that you had to put school aside and focus on dance, focus on your dreams, focus on something that you love. True. How was this experience? How was it telling your parents first? I'm not, I'm not proud I did it. But I think my passion for dancing was way too much. Than me reading or having to be in a lab because that is what I was studying. Chemistry. So I think those are two different fields. So when I told my parents they were like ah, my friend. What do you want to do? Like you want to stop studying. You ask to go and then you have to dance, my friend. It was not like the easiest thing for me to do. Eventually I think my first breakthrough was when I went to Holland for a dance exchange program. This was way before Short and Sweet? Yes, way before Short and Sweet. Around three years ago. So my parents were like mmm, I'm a part of Passport. Yay, dancing I live. Then they started seeing me in videos and every parent is like now everyone wants to meet. Everyone wants to meet. Everyone wants to meet. So people start believing when they see you doing things. When you start people won't really believe in you. Exactly. Everyone wants to tell you that dance doesn't pay. Manzona waste your life. But until they see the results until you stay there and persist and like prove everyone wrong. I think that is the only thing that you need to do. It's the only breakdown in your life. Always stick to the vision man. Stick to the vision and the passion. Do you see yourself going back to do biochemistry to finish? You found your niche now. I will go back to finish my certificates and my degree. But I don't think it's something that I would want to pursue. But it has helped me somehow in my dancing because I get to understand my body more. Because if you're told now stretch you don't know what you're stretching. So biochemistry somehow you get to learn more biology. The anatomy, the chemistry it puts so many things so you get to understand how your body works and which part you need to stretch, which part you need to tone so for you to be fit. It has really contributed to my dancing. And that reaction from your parents was actually so normal because I was actually expecting that and I normally ask a lot of guests here because when I see they're doing something that's not normally in the vision of African parents but sometimes when I'm looking for someone to marry, be a doctor, be a lawyer biochem. The white color jobs, the well-paid jobs. And they forget actually, I think art is the highly paid job. Exactly. If you don't want to work there's nothing. And it's the only place you feel comfortable. You can come to work. If you're a presenter you can come to work dressed the way you want. There's not a strict thing that you have to follow these. You have to be my wife. You have to wake up at this time every day. You wake up because you want to do it because it's something that brings you happiness. Because you love it. And you've been doing it for what, six years now? Yes, six years now. And I'm loving every day of the journey.  Because sometimes that's what happens when you see yourself like wow I'm a really good dancer. Is that what happened how did it go? How did it go? I would say I started dancing way back when I was a small kid. It was a church. When I was a child there was competition. But it's not something I knew I would want to do it. But when I was almost finishing my my course in Kenyatta University I was on a long holiday and then I was like when is the university time? I'd seen them on TV. In the university or six months then I go back. But I didn't know that was like the last time I would say I'm wasting my my time because that is where the change came in. It was so hard starting because the dance structure in Salakasi is totally different. See Le dance too here Kujibamba. Dance has counts that people don't even know. Those are the things to go to MBS. When the music is playing there's a certain count that is in the music like bars. There's a way you need to count. In dancing we count from one to eight. You can't count one, eight, nine to eleven. No, there's nine. There's not that nine. It's one to eight and it keeps repeating itself. You can even do 24 counts of eight. It's on a loop. So to me it was very hard because I couldn't even coordinate counting those counts and I'm like what? I count until fifteen. No, it's not like that. You have to go back. And then the muscles were so sore like every day you're doing something your body is not used to. I think for the last for six months I used to like cry and even ask myself what have I got myself into? Yes, but at the end of the day because I had prayed about it and I'd ask God if you want me to be in this dance industry there's something I'd ask him to do and eventually it will happen. So I said fine. Yes. Yes. And I'm glad it really So your body actually gets that sore? Imagine even now it does. It does. You haven't got used to it. I can't because I'm saying there's a different muscle you're working on there's a different move that your body is in a feeling of I must get that out. So your body doesn't get used to it. The only thing that happens is you get to tone your muscles every time they do. So dance is like a fun way of working out? Yes. Actually dance is the best form of workout because it works your whole body mental, physical the emotional part of it exactly. It's something all round and to top it you feel free doing it because no one is really looking at you like strictly when you're doing it it's more fun.  You feel free. We are going to be learning that move as well. That's your signature move by the way. Did you come up with that move? That one. That move we really debated about it between me and my husband because he was the one you were doing the free for your shins. Why were you debating that move? I actually watched it. Because he really wanted something different and then I told him no let's just add something into this move. It was very simple but not catchy so we had to like eventually we that is what we ended up with and I think it's a very nice and unique. Are you willing to teach us? Yes. We will see. No we won't compete. We will not compete. Anyone can dance. Do you know that? I'm sorry. I like to hear that because I've always had that interest. As long as you have the interest you can describe what was but can you start asking yourself what am I doing? That one is for if you want to go professional if you want to do it for fun. I want to learn how to dance like for real. Then be ready to feel the pain. Be ready to develop the pain. If you can't stand the pain I'm wishing to get to a professional level just you know to learn how to move the body. You've been somewhere that I only see on TV Formula 1 How did this happen? And where was this? Formula. It was in Bahrain. We had initially done a project with that what can I call it a promoter in France before. He said why don't you come and do this project for us. That is how I ended up doing Formula 1. So you called for the guys who came to watch the race. Yes. Did you get to ride in one of them? No you can't because it's a big place. It's a big place. You can only get in maybe and you may just pose. I hope you'll wear a jacket. I like the jacket. Anyway There's another thing you did in Nigeria with Phoenix. Yes. We launched in Phoenix. What is it called? Not in Phoenix. What's the name of this spot? It was a phone. We did the launch. That was the first I went to Nigeria. So those men have been coming? Yes they have been coming. Even before Short and Sweet. That is where people don't understand. There was Agi before Short and Sweet. Agi has always been there. She has always been dancing. But for the Short and Sweet I always say that was the right time for people to know more of Agi because I've done so many things. I've been in so many videos. Maybe people see me and say they like they want to dance but Short and Sweet came as a highlight for the whole Agi as a brand. But Agi has been there. Agi has been there. It's a process. Before you get your breakthrough you have to go through things that you went through. Yes. We should not always wait like if you come in now you want success now. You have to make it a journey so that when your success comes it becomes an inspiration other than it's because it has to be a journey. You have to be able to tell people this is where I started and this is where I am and that is where I want to be. It has to be a journey. That journey seems like actually a very interesting one. Those are six years. Of course Agi was there before this whole thing started. When people are trying to make the music video for Short and Sweet if I could just go back to that there was an audition for it here and I can imagine when you see an audition for Salty Soul video I'm sure like half of Nairobi showed up. And when I saw the actual video I think there was what six to eight people dancing? Yes, we were eight. Out of all those people I wonder what it is what do you think it is that they saw that peaked the interest in you and your dance moves? I actually don't know. It's a very tough question because I always wonder we were so many. First of all let me just go back when we had these auditions and we were like why are we doing that? But when we went and we heard the song I'm like these guys are not serious. It's things about Odi I'm not used to Salty Soul singing about Odi and I'm not also used to doing Odi so to me that was something way out of my line but we did auditions I think two times we eventually passed and the choreography started process the choreography started but I think I always say it's about favor and it's about grace because everyone is dancing, everyone was giving their best in that video. And there were so many and we were so many and everyone had a different part to play but it's not the jumpsuit it's not agi it's favor Can I add one more thing? I also think timing I also think it was your time it was just your time It was your time that's why it just happened that way some things you can't question you just say thank you God You were asked what's your favorite dance is and you said Odi with swag so Odi came to be your favorite dance fast forward a few moments later after you did the video what is Odi with swag first? Odi with swag is that short and sweet that is Odi with swag where you turn around, you step step and turn that is the Odi with swag that step is very easy I used to see guys dance to Odi because you used to do co-activations in schools I used to see them dance Odi and I was like why are you dancing so when you try it you look so funny because it's not something you're used to and it's a certain way and then people associate it with kids mostly also and it's a certain way your body has to curve so it's like I don't do that it's funny so being a professional dancer and being given this how can I call it the easiest move is always very hard to execute it because you're used to street structures manguvu now if you do what a guy this thing is hard so Odi with swag is just that it's just this it's just this yes you're going to be learning that in a video yes you try it I'll try when I'm sitting it's just this so it's just this so why 254 channel on Twitter why 254 and the school channel on Instagram and why 254 on Facebook is the way to reach us don't forget the hashtag why in the morning keep your questions coming your request direct them to video directly for your questions direct them to Aggy the dance queen and you can find on Instagram as Aggy the dance queen every social media do you have a YouTube as well Aggy the dance queen what's on your YouTube channel I'm curious my choreography can I look at your videos at home and teach myself how to dance but soon I'm starting my tutorials your tutorials or on YouTube as well oh so those ones are not tutorials no those are me just dancing oh just dancing but I have a few tutorials on YouTube but now I'm going into tutorials alright interesting you Kenyans need to dance we need to be fit it's a good way to keep fit because some of us don't want to go to the gym to be honest so this is a fun way and we need to be fit as well alright so well we are going to be taking a break but before we take a break Aggy the dance industry in Kenya right now been somebody who has travelled to Bahrain Lagos where else where do you place it where do you place it I will say we are growing we are growing yes we are not there yet but definitely we'll get there the whole short and sweet created so much buzz and put dance in Kenya in a different like perspective guys started appreciating dance it might be they appreciating the od but now they know there's dancers in videos not just the musicians who sing because even the dancers they complement not just the yes there's more to the visuals of the video because if you get professional dancers they make your video just awesome alright since it's social Friday I'd like to know how social media has impacted dance being somebody who has danced for a while you've seen how social media has influenced dance because now we can somebody can be famous on Instagram yes just tell me how social media has impacted dance and are you loving it let me say it has given me and every time I post a video I get so many reactions from people like oh it's good and of course there are the critics and every time you have those as well yes yes I have and I appreciate every feedback from each and everyone because it's what makes me grow if right now I do a free video and everyone is like man they've been waiting for this tutorial for quite some time and it creates the hype like everyone wants to do it even when the short and sweet guys from Lagos from France they were trying that dance and they're like inboxing me man this is so hard explain it's not hard this is how you do it so the social media has really opened up for dance to be known to the world and I just wish we could keep going and even dancers could post more on their Instagram or just any platform let's use the social media tools effectively and we can take Kenyan dance moves worldwide we have our own identity because Nigeria has theirs and they've had quite a number from time to time and I don't think we're forgetting that Ken has so many tribes that each tribe has a different dance so what if we contemplate those dances and make them contemporary kind of we like infuse the modern aspect from the tradition and just make something thank you very much we are going to make contemporary Kenyan dances international as well we're with Aggie the dance queen you can find on Instagram as Aggie the dance queen we are going to take a short break and then we'll be back with Aggie to show us the moves can you move don't touch that out


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Okay, we're back, we're live, it's, well it's the, I guess you'd say it's a 1230 block, I'm Jay Fidel here on Think Tech, and we have Hawaii, the state of clean energy, and our special guest from Hawaiian Electric. We love to have Hawaiian Electric come down. They're one of our favorite energy, in fact, I would say they are our favorite energy talk about interviewees. And we have Jim Alberts, he's the Senior Vice President of Customer Service at Hawaiian Electric. Big welcome to the show, Jim. Jay, it's great to be here, and I'd love to hear the fact that we're your favorite on screen. You are, we've got to get you down more though. Next time we're going to send a car or something. Okay, I like that. It'll be electric. The grand service, an electric car, it has to be an electric car. So let's talk about what's going on. I guess in terms of immediacy and news, you wanted to mention something about the Nissan Leaf Credit, it'd be very important. Yep, so one of the big things that the state needs to work on is how we electrify our transportation system to help with clean energy. So there's a promotion going on right now sponsored by Nissan, and it includes a $10,000 rebate. So when you go to the dealership, take your electric bill in and show that to the dealer. Now it's been going on for a while. The reason I want to highlight it is tomorrow's the last day of this promotion. But it's such a great deal to get a Nissan Leaf with the federal tax credit, this $10,000 promotion off that. You can get a really great price on a good car, and it will really help advance the state. So I encourage everybody to get out and take advantage of it while it's here. Yeah, one of my guests here a couple of weeks ago, he's a retired professor from New Age in physics. And it counts, because physics is really special. So after the show, he says, you have to come downstairs. And he made me go downstairs with him so we could inspect his brand new Nissan Leaf. Oh, that's awesome. And he'll take advantage of that deal. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, and when I think about some of the reasons we want to look at this, number one, it's just a great product. And two, it helps with the overall transformation because we've got solar power during the day. And if we can time that and we can charge electric vehicles during the day, we're really taking advantage of that clean energy. Okay, so what somebody has to do is take his last electric bill, or any electric bill, I guess. The electric bill down to the dealership. Down to the dealership today or tomorrow. Today or tomorrow. And he will get a $10,000 federal tax credit. It's a $10,000 rebate for Nissan. Much better. And then they still can qualify for the $7,500 federal tax credit on top of that. So you can cut the price of a... Almost in half. Yeah, in half. In half. Cut it substantially less than $20,000 for the car. Yes. It's a cheap car. It's a great car. And when you think about the lifecycle cost of an electric vehicle, very little maintenance and care. And you don't have to go put gasoline in it. Yeah. Well, you know that Hawaii Energy Policy Forum is doing a program in August, our Clean Energy Day program. And the center of the program, the centerpiece of it is energy and transportation.  Oh, that's terrific. And I know that you guys in Hawaii have actually been doing a lot in terms of charging stations and encouraging people. Right. Even this announcement here today to make people, incentivize people to buy. They are the future. They really are. And, you know, the extension beyond that we're also talking to people in town about electrifying other parts of the transportation system like bus fleets. So if you think about the rail when it completes where the rail stops to have an electric fleet of buses that cycle people around Waikiki, very clean, very quiet. It's just a great way to also improve a tourist experience coming to Hawaii. Yeah, quiet is sure right. I took a ride with Sharon Moriwaki yesterday. Yeah. In her electric car. She's devoted to her electric car. And you couldn't hear a pin drop. It's so quiet. It's like an island in the storm, you know, all the stuff happening around you and yet in the car silence crickets. Yeah, it's really nice. It's such a far cry from growing up as a kid where we used to enjoy loud cars. And now quiet cars are much better. Yeah, this is good for everybody. Yeah. Okay, more news. So last week there were two, not one, but two energy conferences. One back to back. I mean, one kind of feeding off the other somehow. The country style one in Lihui, it's a Kauai Marriott, a Kauai energy conference organized by the county and K-I-U-C and KEDB, the Economic Development Board in Kauai. It was very good, very friendly. It was well attended. A lot of people came from Hawaii for sure. Yes. You had a speaker there. And all things considered, I really liked that one a lot. We took a lot of footage over there. In fact, we're making a movie right now to play this weekend and next week about what happened in Kauai. Yeah, that's great. And the fact you can use your new technology to go do your show from Kauai, that's even better. Two of them. That's awesome. Yeah, that demonstrates a lot of flexibility. Well, that's very nice. Yeah, that was very nice. There were a lot of things to learn about that, about how you know, do such a conference and how to make people feel comfortable. And there was a lot of candor, I thought. It wasn't as technical though as Verge. Verge was pretty technical. Right. You were there, can you talk about it? I was there, so the conference part that I was involved in was around sustainable tourism. And because tourism is such a big part of the economy here in Hawaii, that we have to make sure we all work together to focus on that. And sustainability goes beyond just tourism for the hotels. This is a community-wide effort. So we have to think about this for everybody in the state, not just the hotels. And I think that was the key message that came out of that is how we get the right people together to focus on this to make it more sustainable. Yeah, I thought there were two threads that were common in both the conferences. One was business, let's address business. Because business has taken active role in this. And at the end of the day, they can enable it. They must enable it. It's not only the public and the utility and the government, but business also. The second thing that I noticed was transportation is at the center. Everybody's thinking about transportation. Yeah, it really is. All the way from rail to how we started the conversation with electric vehicles and the bike share program, which was just announced on the news last night. So all of those clean, renewable forms of transportation are great. Our world is changing, Jim. Yeah, it really is. And the utility is changing. And you've had some significant changes in the last few months. Can you talk about those? Yeah, we have Alan Oshima, our CEO, reorganized the company in January. And one of the key fundamentals of this organization is how we focus more on our customers. Because for many, many years, utilities not just here, but across the nation had really one job, and that's produced low cost, kilowatt hour electricity, and provide that to its customers. But now it's a very interactive relationship. And customers are generating their own electricity. They're buying batteries, their own generating units. So we need to be very close to those customers on how we enable that future. So that was the big essence of the change behind the scenes. So realigned resources inside the company to be able to accomplish that.  Yep, we did. So a couple of new appointments like Ron Cox is responsible now for our operations across all three companies. And that's the other key part of the change is we were organized by geography inside companies before. So one organization on Oahu, one on Maui, one on Hawaii Island. Now these organizations span all three companies so that we can be as efficient as possible and be as cost effective as possible and give customers similar solutions. So another key change with this reorganization is Shelley Kimura is responsible for strategic planning and business development. So we were out actively looking for new partnerships that we can bring innovations to Hawaii. And another exciting part of that change was Colton Ching, who's now responsible for planning and technologies. So all the new innovations that are happening on the grid, we have one place for that to come into the organization. We can prioritize it and we can really show some nice action plans. And Scott Sue, of course, and I don't know if he's been here recently, but Scott was promoted to Senior VP of Public Affairs. So we're looking at public affairs across all three companies as well. That's a lot of vitality in all of that. Those guys are all vital. It's great to hear that they're doing well. Yeah, everybody's doing great. And I think, inside the company, we're really excited about this new approach, customer first. And if we can solve customer issues, it is good for the customer, it's good for everybody. Yeah, things are changing too. With next era, which was a sort of dark shadow for a year of all that travail and the PUC, behind us, now we can look forward some more. Don't you feel that that the mantle is off? And now there's an open field from here to 2045 somehow. Yeah, it really is. We've laid out our plans and the challenge now is just to execute well. We've still gotta be flexible enough to work with our communities and our customers to make sure we adjust as we need to. But even through the next era deal, we had a transformation plan. And one of the nice things about that deal, even though it didn't work out, was they agreed that we would continue with that transformation plan and not change it. So we really didn't miss a lot during that 18 month, two year timeframe. We were able to keep things moving. It may have moved a little slower, but now it's gonna really take off. Yeah, I can really step out. Yeah. Yeah, I find there's one thing that's emerged from me. I like to bounce it off you because you're in a position to say a few years ago, maybe 85. There was a lot of talk about people going off the grid and putting rooftop solar on and disconnecting from the utility. That really didn't happen. It hasn't happened. I remember one program we had where this reporter from Sybil Beat got up and he talked about his experience in that regard. He lived in a country and he went off the grid and he said he really didn't like doing it at all. It was not pleasant, it was not really practical and he was going back on the grid. What I mean is that we have learned that the utility is central, that you must have a central utility in order to have a society where everybody can rely on the availability of electrical power. And I think we've learned that. We haven't talked about it, it's just gone that direction. And now it's very clear that you are going to be the steward, if you will, the steward of the development of clean energy in Hawaii and you will be at the center throughout this period of transition. Yep, now we would tend to agree but we don't want to take that for granted either. So we know that in this environment people have choices and options and we want to make sure people understand what their choices and options are. But in the case of somebody who wants to go off the grid, we think we can provide a better value proposition by being this grid platform because all the new technologies, all the new renewables, if you want a diversified set of renewables, you need a way to bring it in across the whole system. You can't have it just be in one spot. So the grid gives us a lot of economies of scale that operating one at a time just doesn't offer that. But we don't want to take it for granted either. No, but I think that's the right approach. And of course you want to perpetuate this. It's always going to be a marketing issue and you're in the middle of that from now till this transition, the transformation sort of comes to rest which hasn't happened just yet. And when we come back from this break, Jim, I'd like to talk about how that's doing in terms of the regulatory aspect of it, in terms of the plans for the grid and community solar and all the PSIP kinds of plans that you've been generating and look down the field with you at that. Sounds great. Yeah, we'll be right back after this short break. We all play a role in keeping our community safe. Every day we move in and out of each other's busy lives. It's easy to take for granted all the little moments that make up our every day. Some are good, others not so much. But that's life. It's when something doesn't seem quite right that it's time to pay attention. Because only you know what's not supposed to be in your every day. So protect your every day. If you see something suspicious, say something to local authorities. Aloha, my name is Steven Phillip Katz. I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist and I'm the host of Shrink Rap Hawaii where I talk to other shrinks. Did you ever want to get your head shrunk? Well, this is the best place to come to pick one. I've been doing this. We must have 60 shows with a whole bunch of shrinks that you can look at. I'm here on Tuesdays at three o'clock every other Tuesday. I hope you are too. Aloha. Okay, we're back. We're alive. We're here in the Hawaii, the state of clean energy. And our special guest is Jim Alberts from Hawaiian Electric Companies. And he's the senior vice president of customer services all across these three islands. Anyway, four, five islands. Right, five islands. Five islands. And we're talking about Hawaiian Electric. We're talking about the evolution of the transformation of energy in Hawaii. And Hawaiian Electric is right in the middle of it. It's got a lot of action going, a lot of plans that are being created and hopefully implemented. So let's talk about the one thing that was pretty important. And let's see, that was IS. You had a grid modernization plan. Can you talk about that? Yep, so we've been working on this plan to modernize the grid for a while. And during the commission's last order, they asked us to revisit it and come back at the end of June and file that with them. So we're prepared to do that. And it'll get filed tomorrow. Now, this part of it's hot copy. It's hot copy. It's a scoop. It's coming out tomorrow. Now, if you step back from all this new thing, big picture, because we've got a couple things that are out there, the power supply improvement plan, the PSIP, which really looks at what are the resources that we're going to need to get to the 100% renewable over time. The new grid plan really says, what infrastructure do you need in place to really enable this? Now, we want it to go deeper this time than just technology. It's got to start with customers. And if we start with customers and say, what do customers really want and need? How are they going to use the system? What services could they possibly contribute on their side? It caused us to step back and rethink that. So you'll see a lot of updates and changes in this plan compared to the last one. You'll see it come in phased in a little bit slower over time and probably for a little less money up front. Is there the way it should be, though? You take a plan. You have evolving customer tastes. The whole community evolves. And certainly, you have technology changing for all the time. So you've got to be sensitive to those changes. And therefore, you've got to modify the plan to comport with those, or at least to deal with them. Yep, you really do. And in this day and age with technology changing as rapidly as it is, it's unrealistic to think you're going to have a 25-year plan that doesn't change that you don't have to adapt to, which is why the PSIP focuses on the five-year action plan. Even though we project out how do you get 30 years out there, realistically, that first five years is a good planning horizon. Sure. That's the part that counts. That's the part you can see and touch. Because you have to actualize something. You have to make something happen. What puts you put out? You have to know in that five-year period. So the PSIP dwelling on that from, oh, yeah, the PSIP was submitted in November, December last year. That sounds about right. And it's now almost July. Any idea when that's going to be reviewed and approved? No, but it's, man, it's a big document. It's a big document. A couple hundred pages. Yep, it's thousands of pages. A couple of thousand. A couple of thousand pages, probably. So it's a big, serious docket in the commission doing the right thing by taking the time to really study this and come out with a good answer. Yeah, bottom line, though, is you need a plan. Yes. I mean, an approved plan, a plan that everybody isn't comfortable with so that you can move ahead. You can't implement the plan you don't have. That's right. Now, a big part of all these plans, one of the shifts, even in our reorganization is about marketing. So one of the new parts of our organization in my team is a marketing organization. So how are we going to more deeply and thoroughly understand our customers, including looking at customers differently? In the past, the old regulatory model says, hey, everybody's a residential customer. But we know that not all residential customers are the same. So we've got to be able to differentiate those different types of customers and offer different products and services to each, things that make sense to them. Yeah, and it's a matter of stimulating them and incentivizing them to do certain things, maybe energy efficiency or something like that. Yes. Or de-incentivizing to do certain things and sort of changing the conduct of the consumer or the groups of consumers in the economy. That's exactly right. And it's a very refined way of looking at it now. It really is. So we posted a position. I want to plug that here online, too. We posted a position that's out online for a marketing manager inside of our company. So we're looking for some talented people at our skill at marketing to come and work at Hawaii Electric. Exciting time, because the company is thinking this way. This is an exciting opportunity. Yeah, I mean, it's incredibly exciting. I've been in the industry almost 30 years now.  I was about five when I started. But I've seen the industry grow and change over time. And each year, there's growth and change. We think that that's it. But it just keeps growing and changing. And I think that's inevitable. That's the way it's always going to be. It's going to keep growing and changing, which means it's really exciting. Yeah. In fact, I would say, don't you agree that it's accelerating? Because the technology and the world is accelerating. And not only that, but the challenges are accelerating, too. Therefore, I'd like to talk a little about the grid as it relates to the Clean Energy Initiative in general. So you need infrastructure for the grid. You need new equipment. You need certainly batteries. And the question is, do we have an idea about how that's going to be provided? Because right now, you have a lot of people who are building, selling, designing, developing batteries for the consumer side of the fence. And then you have the utility also doing big battery installations, which I personally favor myself. And you have two things work at the same time. How do you connect them up, so to speak? Yeah, so there's room for both. We are going to have to have batteries on the grid. And those batteries will help us manage the system as a whole. Now, each customer has the option to put batteries into their home or their business as well, whether it's managing demand or managing energy or helping integrate their PV system. But we've got to be able to get to a point soon where they can all talk to each other. Because if we don't, we end up in a position where you might have to overbuild the system in order to accommodate fluctuations. So in order to do this as economically as possible, having a system that's connected and can talk to each other, it can actively be managed. We can minimize the investments that we're going to have to make in generating solutions. Yeah, that's really important, to save money. And if you save money, then your rates are lower because you're more efficient and you can reflect that in your rates. And what I find interesting is that, A, this is the black box. This is the box where every consumer has it and it feeds back information. And you have a master computer somewhere that's processing all of that and determining how much electricity to feed and when. And you can do a predictive analysis on that and figure out what you need in order to achieve that. You're exactly right. When you said the black box, it brought me back to almost two years ago when I was here. And you came up with that idea. So you're way ahead of your time on that one. But that's the key is, what's the software behind the scenes that's going to manage and integrate all of this activity? Because without it, everything's just competing with each other. And up until now, we've been fortunate because renewables are competing with fossil fuels, which is OK. But in the near future, we're going to have renewables competing with renewables for space on the system. And we've got to be able to do that as cost effectively as possible and make sure that bills are optimized because affordability is still a key issue for people in Hawaii. Well, and all these things are linked. All these various pieces are linked. And we are, I think, we're at the head of the crowd in terms of dealing with them. We are. Just a footnote to that. We've had a whole month of shows with talk shows, last one yesterday, by the fact, on the Hawaii State of Clean Energy show from HNEI. Oh, great. I didn't realize this. But HNEI has some world-class scientists. They haven't been revealed that much. We revealed them, and we were just delighted to find the quality of their science and their research in lots of areas around energy. I mean, stuff that will be very useful when it comes to market. And we work closely with HNEI, so they help us with a lot of issues. We take problems to them, and they help us work on those problems because they are talented. So we appreciate having that kind of a resource right here in Hawaii. Yeah. Well, together, I think we can build a system that the world will admire and emulate for that matter. I mean, I think there's intellectual property being generated here that will be useful in every major city, every significant energy center in the world. And if we can solve issues here in Hawaii, it will work anywhere because the fact we're on an island. And I was reading a story a couple weeks ago about California saying they're having to pay other states to take their solar power because they're generating too much. Well, they have the luxury of having a big transmission system that they can actually export this power to other jurisdictions and sell that power. We don't have that advantage. So we've got to find a way to optimize our system here locally for our island communities. And if we can accomplish that, it'll be the most efficient model for almost anywhere. It's a combination of things, though. It isn't just batteries. It's maybe different kinds of batteries. And it's also that software where you can become more efficient. And when that central computer of yours can determine the best allocation of resources, time of day. In fact, you have a demand response initiative going on. Can you talk about it? Sure. Well, I mean, the real focus on demand response is not to only focus on the supply side of the equation, which is where we've been for a while, but how do you also optimize demand? And these are very simple things. We've had programs out there for a long time with demand response for things like water heaters and air conditioners. Great program to help manage peak demands. And it's those peaks that we really have to watch out for because, over time, when I look back at our load profile on the system over the past four or five years, those peaks in the summertime during air conditioning season are getting higher. Even though our loads during the day are much lower, our peaks are getting higher during those seasons. So we've got to find a way to help manage those peaks. And that's one way to do it is through demand response. But it gets back to this notion of your black box. How do you connect everything so that you can manage and optimize the system as a whole? Yeah. This is not easy. I mean, because there are a lot of people, a lot of companies, entrepreneurs, young startups doing really sophisticated technology, but they do it on one side of the line instead of the other. And there has to be a sort of common denominator, a common language, a common protocol standards, if you will, so that they can talk in the same language that you need to hear from. That's right.  And not everybody's agreed to what those standards are yet. Now for the community, this is important, because in this transition, if we invest too heavily early on in technologies that are divergent, we're going to have problems. So one of the keys to success is using things like time-of-use rates today, where we can reward customers for using more energy during the day and less at night. Now, the great thing about that is we don't have to store any of that energy. We get to use it right as it's deployed. And as we started the conversation, if we can do it where we're charging electric vehicles during that daytime peak with workplace charging, which is brilliant, because everybody drives to work and you plug your car in, charge your car during the day. We give the right pricing signals. Everybody benefits. And that's rolling storage. Yeah. Rolling storage. And also, considerably, this goes back to a better place, where all the cars strapped together with one great big battery. And if they're all in at the same time, they can all act as a collective battery for the whole community. Yeah, that's right. Is there a future in that? There's a great future in it. I think the fact, like a Nissan Leaf, if it's got a 60 kilowatt hour battery storage unit in it, that's probably five times bigger than a typical home is putting in today. So if you multiply that out over 50,000 vehicles, that's a really nice supply of battery capacity. Yeah. You think there's room for alternative ways to store, for example, hydrogen. Hydrogen can be put in a tank. The electrolyzer technology, they're still working on that. They are. It's too expensive right now. If they could figure out a way to make a cheap electrolyzer, then they could have all this hydrogen and put it in big tanks and move it around on barges. Who knows? Sell it to other places. And you can store it, leave it, sit there until you need it kind of thing. That's right. It's just another form of storage. So if you do find a way to economically and efficiently make hydrogen and store it, then it can be very effective because it's a great clean fuel. So I know a lot of people are investing a lot of time in money, including Toyota, investing a lot of time in money into that technology. So I'm sure at some point it will break through. And when I think about our island resources, we are going to need capacity to plan for those 40 days of rain or clouds that come around where we're not going to be able to count on all the renewables all the time. Yeah, it's a great future looking us in the eye, I think. And one of the things I usually, at the end of the show, is I like to suggest to the guests that he talked to a given group. So sometimes I say, well, you can talk to the legislature. Let's not do that. Talk to the pusing now. Let's not do that. Talk to the customer. No. How about today, just for a minute, could you talk to those young fellows and girls who might go to the College of Engineering and study electrical engineering? Or for that matter, the Scheidler College and learn about management of utilities and energy companies. Is there a future for them? This, camera one, Jim Alberts. Camera one. My perspective to everybody who's thinking about going into this field is you should jump in and pursue it wholeheartedly. Throughout my career, I've seen a lot of changes in this industry. And the changes are going to happen faster and faster. There's so many new and exciting things happening in our industry today. So many new opportunities being created that there are lots of opportunities. So whether it's engineering or business or legal, we encourage you to take a look. And it starts with simple things like when Hawaiian Electric offers internships. We would really love to have you come and take a look at us as an opportunity. Because for Hawaii, if we can train, recruit, and retain people here in Hawaii with those skills, we really become powerful. And rather than having to recruit those skills from the outside, what better way than to have the people who are used to our culture here in Hawaii grow up here, stay here, and help their community get stronger? So I'd really love for everybody to think about that opportunity and come and talk to us. Oh, wow. You heard it. That's a tremendous offer and opportunity. And I want to say I was writing up a paper the other day, and I was aggravating about how to frame this initiative, the Clean Energy Initiative, and what you're doing, and what are we collectively in the community of energy is doing. And it occurred to me that this, Jim, is the most important initiative in our state. It has implications for everybody, everything, and for all elements of our future, don't you think? Yeah, it really does. And when I think about the backbone of our economy here, which is electricity, it runs everything.  Those things have to have highly reliable, resilient power. So in order to sustain that, we've got to find a way to bring renewables in, but meet the objectives to meet the commitments of our biggest customers so they can serve their customers. Sustainability, essential word, especially a view of climate change and all the things that could happen in our independent state. Yeah, it really is. Well, Jim, I've got to close the show because I've got to run down the Nissan dealership. And get your car. And see if I can make a deal, yeah. Awesome. I wouldn't have known. I wouldn't have thought about it unless you mentioned it. Jim Albers, Senior Vice President of Customer Services at Hawaiian Electric Companies. Thank you so much. Yep, thanks for having us, Jay.


Hi, I'm Karen. I'm American, and I'm living and working in Italy. Some things were changing in the educational policies here in Italy, and I thought that it would be a good idea if I got some new certifications for English teaching and I went on the computer and I discovered ITTT and the possibilities of doing Tefal online, and so that's exactly what I did and I have to say it was a really positive experience. I enjoyed it very much and it's something good for experienced teachers as well as new English teachers. What I found that was really great about it is that they give you six months to do the course and you can do it on your own time. I finished it in about two, but with working you have your time. You can do your studying when you can and you take the exams when you have time. After the Tefal course, I went on to doing the TAIL, the teaching English to young learners, and since I teach a lot of young learners, it was a refresher and a lot of fun. So I would recommend this course to any new teachers and experienced teachers as well, and I wanted to say thank you ITTT.


So the next talk is how to build a microservices using 0MQ and WSGI by Srinath GS. He's a head of engineering team at IDEA device building an orchestration platform for data center activities and application lifecycle management. Hi, hi everyone. I'm Srinath. I work at IDEA device as technical lead. We are building the next gen orchestration platform and we are trying to solve complicated use cases with cloud application lifecycle management. So in the process of building an orchestration engine, we stumbled upon a lot of patterns with microservices and we also started using 0MQ. And we ended up writing a framework which will serve as a bridge between 0MQ and the Python's standard WSGI protocol. So today I'm going to take you through all these topics. I think most of you would know about all of these things. So we'll see about what microservices are and what is 0MQ and how 0MQ helps us in building microservices and how to build restful microservices with 0MQ as well. And then we'll see a small real world example and then we'll also discuss about how Zadvisgi can be improved further. So what are microservices? Microservices is an architecture style where multiple independent processes communicate among each other. And each and every independent process does a well defined small subset of a particular big task which is supposed to be done. So microservices are the only way to scale your backend services as of now. And so given that it is so awesome that you can build a highly scalable web application or highly scalable any sort of application with microservices, there are some problems associated with it as well. So one of the main problems is service discovery and without knowing which endpoint to connect to and without knowing which endpoint to connect to to do a specific task, it becomes highly complicated for all the backend services to talk to each other. So that's problem number one. And given that all these microservices, all the processes talk to each other among a communication channel, so just having HTTP or just having a simple TCP server would not suffice. Because each and every task can be done by some microservice which might not be exposed out directly through some endpoint. So I'm talking about load balanced and service oriented architectures here when I'm talking about communication patterns and stuff. So why not just use HTTP and live with it. So one of the major problems with HTTP is that you need to know which port to connect to and you need to know you need so you can avoid the problem by having a load balancer. So probably that part of the problem can be solved. But then even before a particular process comes up, you cannot know where you should connect to. You wouldn't know where you should connect to. And always HTTP follows this request reply, request reply sort of a pattern where you send a request, you wait for a response after the response is given to you, you assume that the task is done. And one more process, one more problem that comes with HTTP is that you need to have a way to manage timeouts, retries, and if you have n number of workers, which worker can do what task and how can you allocate work among these workers as such. So that becomes a big problem. So here is where, here is where 0MQ would actually fit in and 0MQ helps us build, so 0MQ helps us build, distribute microservices which can be distributed amongst different machines in a data center or it can be in a single machine as well. It supports all sorts of communications, like basically it provides us sockets, right? So sockets which can be done, which comply with the TCP or which can be a Unix domain socket and 0MQ itself also gives us a lot of other features like in process communication and other stuff. So starting from version four, they have they have integrated with Libcurve, Curves ZMQ which is, which uses elliptical cryptography. So you can have, use 0MQ, you can have 0MQ bound on a public interface. So the security is also taken care of, right? So all this is fine, but why would you want to use a separate, you know, separate module which just gives us sockets but nothing else? Why would you want to use such a thing when I can build something on my own, right? But it's not just that 0MQ gives us only sockets, but it also gives us a variety of communication patterns to deal with and it also supports for, supports G event. So that way we can have optimal resource utilization when you're doing an IO call or when you're doing a wait for a particular process to come up and wait for a particular worker to be available or something like that. So if you use G event events, event based Qs and event based IO systems, so 0MQ also gives us a polar mechanism called green polar. So if you use all of these things, the application ends up using lesser amount of resources. So let's look at the 0MQ patterns. So first one is request reply. I think everyone knows about what request reply is, right? So request reply pattern is where you have n number of clients and any of the client can connect to the server and the server then sends a response back after doing a specific, you know, request or something like that. So this is one of the most used patterns even in today's world because even HTTP follows this lockstep mechanism where you send a request and then you wait for a response, right? All right. So, okay, the next pattern available is publish subscribe. So where you can have multiple publishers, you know, pushing data to one subscriber or you can have one publisher pushing data to many subscribers. And these subscribers can also have, can also subscribe to a specific topic, so to say. So the publisher can, when it is publishing, it can send events based on events pertaining to a specific topic. So the subscriber which has subscribed to a topic can get the request, right? So, okay. Next thing which 0MQ gives us is router dealer pattern. So in case of a router dealer pattern, what happens is that, so you have set of dealers connected to a router, right? So all these dealers when they're connecting to a router, so 0MQ also gives us this ability called 0MQ socket identity. So all the dealers in the, connected to the router can be addressed uniquely by using this socket identity, right? So when you want to send a request to a specific dealer, for example, if you want to send a specific request to D3, then the server code, the application code which is written in S1 can just send a request on the router socket with a specific identity which is equal to the dealer D3's identity, right? So then the dealer D3 will get the request and then it can then further process it. And you can build complex pipelining mechanisms using 0MQ by using this push pull mechanism. For example, you have a producer P1 which pushes to consumer C1 and then the consumer C1 in turn can push to an aggregator probably, right? So these are the different patterns available. So all right. So now we love 0MQ. 0MQ is cool. I want to use 0MQ, but I have my project written in Django or Pyramid or Flask or any other Python web framework. So I don't want to change a lot of my business logic. I want to do some minimalistic changes and I want to be able to run things using 0MQ. So which is where Python presents us with this nice thing called web server gateway interface. So where Whiskey stands for web server gateway interface and it is the Python standard for web applications. So what it does is web server gateway interface gives us two endpoints. One is the web server or the gateway side and the other one is the application or the framework side. So Python Whiskey has given us guidelines as to what all the gateway side should implement and what all the application side should implement. So we have these two interfaces. So now that we already are in the premise that I have written all my application code in Django or Pyramid or Flask, I don't want to change my code. So we can leave the application side of code as such. We don't have to change a lot of stuff in that. We can only change the server side of it. So by changing the server side, actually, our library's, does change only the server side of it. So that way we get the best of both worlds, so to say. So one of the awesome things with using a HTTP framework, a web framework like Django or Pyramid or anything of that sort, is that we don't have to write a complex function dispatch table. So if packet type is dispatched to this function, if parameter is dispatched to this function, if request method is dispatched to this function. So all of these things are handled thoroughly by the, during the routes configuration stage itself. So the function dispatch table is sort of, sort of in a way written in the routes, but we don't exactly write the function dispatch tables. So now we know we have zero MQ and we have a VisGi application. We want to make a bridge between them. So which is where Z VisGi will come and Z VisGi is open source. You can access it at github.com slash idea device slash Z VisGi. So it helps us to write restful APIs with zero MQ. It adheres to the VisGi protocol and we get all, we get the best of both worlds, right? All right. So this is okay. So now when we talk about real world scenarios, real world scenarios, we have, you know, we have n number of clients and all the clients, let's say they want to make a specific task, right? They want the server, you're back in to do a specific task. And thus that specific task can be split into n number of small tasks. For example, in the URL that is given, so rfc.zeroMQ.org slash spec colon seven. So it describes the major demo protocol, MDP, where, where, you know, the clients ask for make, to make, clients ask the server to make tea, right? Tea requires water, milk and tea obviously, right? Tea powder. So, so you have a set of workers assigned, one assigned for doing a specific task. So now the central dispatcher can then dispatch, split the work into smaller items and then it can dispatch it to different workers and then get the consolidated output and return back to the client, right? So that is one model. That's, that's probably one model of one way of doing it. We can also have an asynchronous way of execution where we send, we send a request to central dispatcher and then the central dispatcher says that it will be done when, when it's going to be done. And then, and then it can then dispatch the work to all the other workers that are available, right? So, so this protocol in short is called as major demo protocol and major demo protocol in, it also has further other specifications laid out. For example, heartbeats and heartbeats and, and all the URL schemes and everything else associated with it, right? All right. So, before that, so, okay, so this is one of the product that we are building right now, right? So this can bring up, bring up all these nodes and it can automatically figure out all the dependency, dependencies and it can orchestrate. It can basically realize this given graph to, to orchestrate by orchestrating specific parts of it and it can figure out which parts need to be done parallely and which part needs to be done serially and all. And then finally you will get a, get a sentry cluster, you will get a Postgres database and you would have Redis sitting on Docker and, and HAProxy separately, right? So, so all of this is done by using ZWisGi and in, in ZWisGi also we, we have, we have implemented the complete major demo protocol on our own, right? It will take some time for running. So, okay, what is the road ahead for ZWisGi as such, right? So, using ZWisGi, we can probably build an enterprise message bus. We can do queuing and we can throttle all the requests. We can come up with some HS strategies or normally also when you have microservices, you would want some admin channel where you can introspe, where you can go and inspect all the processes that are there in your cluster. And, and with ZeroMQ we also get to this problem where we don't have a direct way to talk to ZeroMQ, you need a gateway, you need a HTTP to ZeroMQ gateway. And we can also have certain client libraries like for doing get, post all, and broadcast and all those requests probably it can be based out of the request library itself. Request library allows us to change the transport layer. So, and also though we have an implementation where we have hard bits and worker management done, we are ready to open source the hard bit management, hard bit and worker management for, for the outside world. All right, this has started, right? There is some approval pending. I did not think of this. The alignment is slightly, yeah. So, so it has brought up Docker host, it has installed HAProxy on it, and it is bringing up all these other components on the same Docker host. So, in a way, we also help build microservices. All right. So, so I'm done. So do you have any questions? Hey, great talk. Thanks for that. Potentially the question is like ZeroMQ exposes a Python API as such. Yes. So, bindings are available for almost all languages. There are bindings available for go, there are bindings available for, so for .NET they rewrote the complete ZeroMQ code. And for Python we have PyZeroMQ. So PyZeroMQ does not allow you to accept requests like HTTP requests, right? So you don't have a facility to have URLs and you don't have this HTTP spec as such implemented in PyZeroMQ. Okay. So typically the scenario that I'm talking about is like we are having a storage solution. Okay. And let's say we have Samba configured in that. So whenever I make some changes, I want the Samba servers to restart basically. Okay. So how we typically approach to this, like we use the Python ZeroMQ APIs. And then instead of restarting the service through Django application, basically Django hangs off once you do any service restarts. So we span out a ZeroMQ microservice through the APIs and it just does the job. So why a whiskey again? I don't really need a HTTP to directly go to. So it depends on your application, right? So what, what necessarily is that, see, in your case you have built all the microservices which talk over HTTP, but they don't talk over ZeroMQ. They're not taking advantage of the ZeroMQ patterns that are available. For example, RouterDiller is such a powerful pattern that you don't have to know the IP address of the, of IP address or the port that is there in the, that, that is going to be there in, it can be there either in your machine or it can be there in any other machine. But you can allocate tasks to that. Given that ZeroMQ has such very powerful patterns in it, right? So you're, so by just having a HTTP based microservice architecture, you're not utilizing the complete potential of ZeroMQ, right? Any questions? Hello. Yeah. Great talk. Thanks. ZeroMQ as far as I understand it is broker less, right? Could you compare and contrast maybe like the difference between with broker versus broker less and maybe some use cases where, where it would fit. All right. All right. So ZeroMQ by itself it does not dictate whether you need a broker or not, right? But you can end up with configuration. For example, this major Domoprotocol involved a central dispatcher, which sort of is a broker, which sort of is a proxy between all the back end processes to the, to the clients, right? So, so you can arrive at a point where you have brokers in your architecture, you can arrive at a point where you don't have brokers with your, with your architecture. So, so if you don't have brokers, it becomes very difficult for you to, you know, identify all the end points where you have to do, where you have to connect to, right? But if you have a broker, it's just a single endpoint for you, right? So, so these are sort of the trade-offs between having a broker and not having a broker. But one of the major downsides of having a broker would mean that if that broker goes down, then you, then all your other processes would be rendered unreachable, right? Hi. This is not about ZeroMQ, but in general in microservices, how do you handle authentication between services? Authentication between services. So, so authentication between services can be done by either, if all, all of your microservices have to have some authentication, then you can come up with your internal component level authentication mechanism. That's one way to do it. Or you can use whatever authentication mechanism that you use for your external, external components. For example, user, user authentication or anything. So, as such, you can use. So, something like JSON WebToken, JWT. You can use anything that you would want to, right? Thanks. Any questions? Any more questions? Okay. Thanks enough. Yeah, thanks.