So I just want people to know we are not trespassing as far as we know. Yeah We are coming to visit a really haunted place. What's it called? Blue ghost tunnel. What's the story? So the story is rumored that there was a over here like a farmhouse There was some type of fire somewhere and a girl ran through the tunnel screaming and that's how it got its name the Blue ghost tunnel and screaming tunnel. Okay, so we have Approximately an hour an hour until the it's nighttime. We're doing about 15 minutes to get there 15 minutes to get back, but we also want to explore the tunnels. So this is gonna get really cool Need a map Can someone access that though to get to the Man, I love Ontario. They know what the iPhone you just do this You point via phone at it and then it scans it. There it is. See He is it's giving us a black screen So this is either gonna be a really cool vlog on the channel or this is our last vlog and you guys hopefully someone found my Phone and to the YouTube channel.  I feel really victimized by that statement right there This was my idea too, wasn't it? I would this was definitely my idea This is really what was the girl's name that apparently died me down there. No, just Tim Horton's okay That's a marker so you know, you're going the right way So if you have see a marker that's high so for example keep left is what that says Yeah Oh, this would be so cool to bike through. Oh, that's definitely a canal down there I can see that Well, we're not close are we oh And our tour guide almost died it's so his ankle is gonna break Okay, I will say I appreciate that there's no mosquitoes so far Actually, yes, I also want to comment my cameras fixed Our live streams on YouTube have been horrible. Is that where it is? Cole did you hear that is that Wonderland? Where are we? Where are we? Is that Wonderland? Is that Wonderland? Come into detail. There's a reason I want to come here and all my friends know No, why all my close friends know why yes, really do I have a talent and I should be able to tell Are we? But it wasn't that close I'm sorry, but this is a fourth rock. I hit I ain't getting any bad vibes yet though. That's like Remember when we were in that one for us. I knew someone was watching us The one by your house the member when it took us on that hike in the spring winter I ain't getting any of those you guys are both almost tripping and me being the fat one is actually doing pretty successful At walking through this hiking trail. I think you're right because I just got a really weird vibe about this way But the only thing is you have to be really careful about poison ivy Yes, three leaves. Yep. That's poison ivy. So we can't go that way regardless Cole no, you can't you can't we have to find a better way. Look at me. I have ankle socks You'll be itching and burning all night and the more you itch and burn the more you spread it You'd need to go to shoppers drug Merton get No, the pink stuff. I've heard it's called Yes, that Craig up Why don't you Craig I want you look at the map Well, will you look at ways? Oh My god, okay. Well, this is already a better video than just because we aren't like a Golf bar. Oh my god, that's clearly a ghost. Oh my god We're far away. How long is this trail? We're probably walking the trail right now is what we're not want to do we want to get down It costs what? Did you not see that no something just ran right across your feet and you didn't even notice I don't know what it was, but I ran right across your feet Look how long this trail is. Yeah, but we're not do we're not doing the trail. Okay, that map isn't helpful to us We need also you have to pay $29 to get the map I sent you by email Go to like Google Maps and just look and see if ways does trails Continue driving. We're already here. Yeah. No waste doesn't do trails. We're just in the green Okay, so go to Google Maps. Yeah, and then go to satellite. Okay, I Think it's down the hill that way We should see a much better We'll figure out Stunned by a mosquito Yeah, I do hear voices Well, you got it. No, you got to go to the Okay, I'm gonna stop the vlog for a second while I check out where we are. We'll be back okay so We've run into a problem the Sun is set We're about a 15 minute walk away from this Place there is someone behind us Following us I'm just looking back at that weird setting over there There's weird noises.  We don't know You're still leading us. You want to go? It's it'll be mint. It'll be Yeah, but that's not safe. There's someone following us and you don't even care Yeah, you know what let's just In a forest we outnumber him three to one tell that to I don't think you Do you have a rock in case he does it at us?  We're gonna go we're in a forest He can totally take us down, especially if he's trained all three of us all three of us out in the open We can totally take him Okay, well, I say we vote. I know I know Craig wants to go I can tell I'm more concerned about getting home Democracy you remember we are in Niagara Falls. We got another hour and a half home Yeah, plus if we started this first thing the more we started this at like 20-minute trek down that way plus after that We'll have a 40-minute trek down back to our car. Yeah, it'll be late. It'll be too late This is getting creepy. Why don't we just come back next week? You will come Yeah, well, I want to come back. I want to do this You're a bad influence I'm here now We've heard the weird weird creepy. We're gonna come back and do this. I promise. This is part one This was like an experiment. We dipped our toes in the water Can we view it from up there? Okay? Let's give the video a good view at least since we screwed up And we weren't able to go to this basically it's a tunnel that goes The canal down there flows through it and apparently this girl died down in there And it's called the screaming tunnel the ghost tunnel because Oh awesome You don't all hate more as if I see someone walking Across there Look at this setting Craig. I take a picture with the bridge in the lighting. Oh What are you doing? Am I not in it? That's the sound I make if I fell in that are those overflow shoots So we died this right here is where the doors used to be. Oh, so that's where they clipped Craig I'd be very careful. I Really just want one video of this This is the creepiest thing I've ever done the noises. We've heard that girl in the woods And now the person following us the good news is I don't see them So maybe it was someone walking their dog. Yeah, right? Okay, so we were like 20 to 30 minutes away and he wanted to keep going No, we're in that we still have a 40-minute trek back to the car in the forest By the way, we also got ticks on us We got When we go back to the car we'll check So we'll agree we'll go home be safe tonight, but we'll come back All right, I promise they'll be a part two. They'll be a hard to this video Keep an eye out if we see that grab as many stones as possible if you see that figure I'm telling you it's just your your mind for tricks on you, but you know my intuition The weird thing is though. I don't have a bad intuition. So that should actually be calming me down Oh that photo Okay, so next week we got to come back. We'll plan it I'm sorry. You guys are probably so disappointed. We got so high though, but we failed. Okay. We'll post this we failed Okay, cool. Cool didn't fail because he wanted to go Yeah All right, we'll update you guys if something happens We made it you can't see Craig a back at the car yet. Oh my god Look at the phone's difference compared to how dark He just took this photo look at that Well, I can barely see you we're so screwed. I think I smell like B. Oh, I don't know that's the waste management facility It is I Mean that was good exercise for me Okay, we'll definitely be back You were right on the line Supposed to have night vision for the video or no, no, I don't think so Yeah, I guess how would they do that? Yeah Okay, well, you can't see anything Pretty you could turn your flash on does that work? Well, that'll at least illuminate the people that you're talking to Here watch watch watch watch You got even scared That was more just climbing over the bridge. Oh, I can't wait for part two though I'm gonna bring boots long pants a water bottle. I Need water more than anything Yeah, hopefully my car is still there That was crazy that was probably the scariest thing I've done in a really long time to be honest And now if we had got there we would have been getting there right about now This Really Look at that perfect timing No, no, we'll drop him off We'll drop cool off and then we'll head home. All right again. Sorry. We didn't sorry. I didn't go We'll go I guess your will I don't see my car. Oh Don't do that I didn't realize how far we went can you imagine if we were by ourselves without coal and we just came here and we're like Well, I know I would have realized right now. I was like, oh, this doesn't look like the oh Yeah, yeah, now we're on the sidewalk That was crazy From someone following us to the girls like that's screaming in the woods But there was some weird girl voice at the beginning Oh Yeah, I don't know I wasn't filming them, but that was just a bird. It was like a bird being murdered It was like screaming either the nest was being Destroyed or attacked by something Anything to say, Craig or claw we should have went Yeah, you were one of the people that voted to leave No, that's how I fell on to the road. All right. We'll end it here That's it's funny how scary it was and we didn't even make it to the thing Imagine when we make it to the actual ghost place So there's two we were heading to blue ghost tunnel Which is where two trains collided and a bunch of people unfortunately passed and then the other one was Where's my car?  Bye guys That was scary


Hello and welcome to another episode of The Shakedown. My name is Ryan Forbes, aka Rainforest. And let's see, I spent six years in prison and got a degree in sociology, specializing in social welfare, studied criminology, had three different lawyers, and so I know a little bit about the criminal justice system. All Malone did was spend 30 years, or 7,000, depending on what kind of math you did. 30 or 7,000 years in prison. You know, it's kind of funny. Whenever you said that, I just snapped that there's a number of people out. You know, I used to have the joke about being in an orangutan. Backyard prize-biter in orangutans. So people have actually called me to task on that and said, you're claiming to be an orangutan? I'm like, you really didn't get that, huh? Yes, no, yeah, but he's, Malone is not actually- Don't take it seriously, it's a joke, okay? I mean- Malone does not have a backyard, people. I don't even have a backyard or an orangutan. Although sometimes you could confuse Rainforest with an orangutan. Fair enough. If you're looking at him right now, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Well, they are looking, and I am, I did not light myself super well for this one. So I may appear very orangutan-like for this episode. Or orangutan-y. Yes, orangutan-y, I like it. So what we talk about on the shakedown, the reason why you listen to this podcast, or maybe one of the reasons, or maybe you just want to listen to us snap at each other, is that we talk about the criminal justice system, what needs to change, what can change, and we talk about it based on our personal experiences with the criminal justice system. And I just had a very personal experience with the criminal justice system going back to Texas and trying to get one of my conditions of probation change. And in our last episode, we talked about what, about getting the lawyer going out there, why I had this condition in the first place. And then we also related to the fact that in Texas, there is this mentality about why. Like, it's punish, punish, punish. Like, you need to punish punishment. And there's also incentives to punish. Because the more creative a judge gets for punishment, and the more insane it is, and intense it is, then it makes the judge look good, especially in Texas. Because a lot of Texans will support crazy, harsh punishments. And I will honestly, Malone and I were just talking about how Colorado is a very different place, and it's not like, it's not the same way. But I will say, I like to make fun of it. Well, we like to make what here? Make fun of us. Oh, we do. We love to make fun of Texas. Interested in this podcast only for the sake of just knowing how crazy we are here in Texas. Yes. Yeah, if you want to hear what's so crazy about Texas, this is the podcast to listen to. Um, but, um, so, so we just got done talking about all of those things. But I was going to say, there is a group that I've actually had to deal with here in Colorado that is very pro lock them up. Let's, let's put them away. And I have talked about them on the podcast before that I've had to deal with. And those guys, um, they need a hobby or something. Like, I don't know what to tell, talk, talk, say much more about that. But, um, they are welcome to listen to this podcast and I guess gripe about it. But hopefully here that there are other things frustrated. They need a girlfriend or something. That's what I think. But honestly, they, I want like the, the leader of the group is the one I think like the most. That might be what's going on now that now we're talking. Um, so, uh, Yeah. And if that's what it takes to make you feel like a man, might I, might you consider some alternatives because it really messes with society? Yeah. Have you considered moving to Texas and then seceding from the US? That's an option. Oh, well, that's for you. Very manly. Yes. Yes.  Right. So then all of a sudden, the kid's not, not the person you were really talking about. No, he's a great guy. I mean, uh, we're talking about criminals, bad people. Yeah. These awful people that yeah. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not one of those people I am. On your side. Yes. I'm not one of those monsters, which to be fair is not what I said when I went down there. I did not say I'm not one of those monsters. I have always, as I've done, as I did on the last episode and as I will do right now, I have always owned up to what I did. I did it. It's me. It is part of me now. Yes. I play one on TV and I have to say that that's not a good idea to admit culpability.  And that's why you said what you said. That could be harmful to you. People take any admission like that and they run with it. It's not a, it's not you showing, you know, remorse and wanting to change and trying to be honest instead. It's just more ammunition. You know what Malone, I love that line right now.  I was blacked out. I, I should never have admitted to anything. And, and that's, that's what I should have, that's what I should have said. And I should say what I should write in my essay that I have to write is like, oh, I was just drunk and whatever. And I was, I was just a little buzzed judge. Sorry about that.  There's nothing for me to feel remorse for. Don't, don't worry about it, judge. Yeah. That's, that'll be my, that'll be my essay. I like it. I like that idea of sending that to the judge. That's going to be your essay? Yeah, that's going to be my essay. It's like, judge, you know what? I don't plan on doing this. The whole reason why you're saying all this is to get out of the essay. No, I have to do the essay. So Malone, we did not discuss this last time. So I went down to the judge to get this thing removed. Honestly, to get this condition of going down. What did the judge tell you? Yes. So I went down to get this condition removed and my condition was to go down to jail one day a year. I have, I had eight days left to do and I did not want to do eight years because let me explain a little bit about the hardship, which I did explain a bit to the judge. I do not live in Texas. I do not live, I don't know anyone. There was no question about that. No one's. No one's guessing that. I don't live in Texas. The place where I lived where I caused the accident, I lived in for eight months. I don't know people there. I don't have friends there. I don't have family there. I just went there or did a whole bunch of damage and then was out. And my family is up here in Colorado. I am up, my job is up here in Colorado now. My life is up here in Colorado at this point. And so I have to go down there. I have to fly down there and then I have to go up and then I have to get to jail because I don't have a driver's license still. According, once again, to the conditions of my parole and probation. I'm not sure which because Texas refuses to answer Colorado on what it would take for me to get my driver's license back. So there is that. That's another, that's a whole other situation, Rainey. That is a whole other situation. We don't need to stick to the topic at hand. All right, so sticking to the topic at hand. So it's got to fly in, usually get a hotel the night before because I don't want to miss my time. Don't want to check in late for my jail stay. Then I've got to, it goes from 5.30 p.m. to 5.30 p.m. And the reason I come in a day early is because flights, canceled flights, missed flights, they happen. And I do not want to have to reschedule this thing. You miss a flight. If I miss a flight, then that's basically that's failing a condition of my probation, which means that can send me right back to prison. Actually, it can be not just right. So that fails the condition of my probation, which violates my parole, which means that I can go right back to prison for my probation, for parole. And I can get added time. My probation can instantly turn to prison time. So then I'd have a stacked, I'd have stacked prison sentences. So I definitely do not want to be to miss that date. You could be sent to prison with another charge or something because you know, it's just like when they revoke, they, you know, when they revoke your parole, they send you back to prison. They can revoke your probation and it can become prison. So probation, reputation. Okay. I haven't been on probation. So I don't know. That's the one part of Texas justice I missed. But they, so that can all, that can turn into a prison sentence. Right. But there's not a charge on that. I mean, I'm trying to figure out what they'd send you to prison for. You're going, you're going for the original charge. There is, there is a charge on it. The charge is probation violation. And I will tell you everyone sitting in county jail right now, if you ask them what their charge is, they will tell you that their charge was probation violation, which that doesn't tell you what the charge was. That doesn't tell, that tells you nothing. If I tell you that I just went to jail for probation violation. Well, what were you on probation for? Well, what did you do that violated the probation? That doesn't tell me anything. So, but everyone in county jail, if you ask them, why are you locked up? Which don't ask them because they're not going to tell you. That's why they keep telling you probation violation. But they will all tell you probation violation, whether it's true or not. But that's what they're going to say. Okay. That's interesting. So that puts you, they can put a condition on you. And then if you can't, and that can put you in a position that if you don't meet it within your, you'll be charged with something else. Correct. You'll get, you'll get a new charge.  This would be your second charge. This wouldn't be like violating your parole. Or would you be violating your parole as well? I'm trying to figure out how that works. It would, I think it would violate my parole too. Because they can, Prison for two things at once. Exactly. They can double. They can double sentence you. They can double sentence me. And that's why I'm saying it would be stacked because my probation, as we discussed last episode, my probation was stacked on top of my prison sentence. So whatever sentence came from my probation. So if I violate and I get a prison sentence from my probation, it would probably be stacked on me finishing my prison sentence. From, Okay. Yeah. Which is insane. It's like getting worse. This reminds me of something I was reading about, about what was going on in Britain not too long ago.  And they started making these things called indeterminate sentences. They came up with this concept. They said it was okay. They agreed upon it.  And then there's no end.   They can, at any time take you back and keep you as long as they want. Right. And people were, they had such a high suicide rate of people that were doing this, that they had to rethink the whole thing and they eventually can that idea. Well, they do a version of that here. You understand that, right? What I'm hearing is, is like a very long form roundabout version of that. And that's what the judge was trying to do. He was trying to keep me on paper for a very long period of time, as opposed to just giving me an outright sentence. Either way, and it doesn't matter. So let's say, let's say I just had the prison sentence. I get out on the prison sentence. I finish my parole, finish the parole, finish it, I'm off paper. Am I done with my sentence? No. I'm still a felon. I still can't travel to certain places. I still can't own a gun.  I still can't do many things. There are certain places where I couldn't vote. These rights are taken away as soon as you're locked up. And especially while you're locked up, while you're locked up, as we have said many times, you become a slave. But this is... You can vote in Colorado. In Colorado? Everywhere. Every state is like that. It's forced labor. They might pay you... You can vote. You can actually vote in Colorado now. I voted. I voted. Yeah, I've been voting. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. And let's... Yeah. We're going to say... We're going to do some thank yous right now, some gratitudes. So thank you, Colorado, for letting me vote. And so I... Which I think has been two elections now since I've been out. And also, thank you for... I... Thank you for letting me go to city council meetings and being a part of those and speaking up at city council meetings and allowing to be present and heard at those, which has been great and amazing. And I've talked about prisoner rights and pedestrian safety and public media, which gets me back to this, public media, which I also get to be a part of. I want to hear that pedestrian safety talk. That would have been awesome. I can imagine that was... Oh, it's recorded Malone. It's part of... Like, that's part of what I do here. It's called sarcasm. Malone's interested in hearing the public pedestrian safety talk. Well, the transportation board was interested. Are the people in charge of the transportation changes? E-mail me back. Yeah, yeah. I can only imagine that very, very specific, niche group of people. Granted. And it's a great opportunity to be interested in that better. Anyway. But I get to talk to them. I get to be a part of this. I actually get to... I seriously... Nothing put a fire under me to be involved in our local politics like going to prison. Once I saw what was going on there, I was like, no, this cannot be what our society looks like. And hence this podcast, hence why we do this. So, let's bring this all this back in. Malone asked, what did the judge finally say? And what did the judge finally say? He said, you do not have to come back for eight years. You can come back for... and do all eight days at once. But you have to now write a five-page essay. And I need to... My lawyer is still... I'm still waiting to hear from my lawyer about what the specific terms he used was because he used some very specific terms. And I will tell you, I was in the same courtroom where I was sentenced with the same judge who sentenced me. And, and I didn't tell you this, Malone, I was in that room with the same lawyer who was defending me, sitting right behind me, watching the entire thing. So, my mind was very much not trying not to be in that courtroom at that moment. But... That sounds kind of intimidating. Yeah. It's amazing that... I know how... I know how those types of things go. And those... I mean, being the subject of the jury trial is traumatic. It's a punishment in and of itself. I know... It's...  But they... You know, you have a group of people that really don't know much about you. And they pick apart every single thing that you've ever said or done. And it's really obvious as they're picking apart everything that you've ever said and done that they don't care whether or not they're getting it right. They're trying to turn everything you have ever said or anything you've ever done into something bad. They're not interested in anything that's gonna... They're interested in one side of the story. And I want to hit that point. I want to talk about that, Malone, real quick. So, they're interested in one part of the story. And we... They're going through the whole thing again. Yeah. Well, I want to... I want to talk about that because the last time I was in that courtroom I talked about my sentencing hearing and I talked about that's exactly what the DA did. The DA was a new DA.  And made it indefensible, made it awful. And then I got to watch my victim's family cry, which was just... That was devastating for everyone. That was not... That was not an outcome that anyone wanted. And then they had to come up on the stand, could not speak English, and they tried to speak, and that was awful. And I put a lot of that on the DA and a lot of it... In that situation, a lot of it is on the DA. This situation, there is no DA. The DA is not involved in this situation really at all, like from my understanding of it. But... The judge is the final decider. And I got to see a lot more of the judge and got a little bit of the reminder of what type of judge this was. And I will tell you, the judge did not want to hear what I had to say. And there were... I did have time to speak for myself. I will give myself that. I will give credit there. This whole process took 10 minutes at max, maximum 10 minutes. It felt like an hour. But seriously, I was in and out by 9.15. And that's from the holes. All shall rise and all that other stuff included as well. And... that... that... so... he... he... like I got chances to speak, but they were only about specific questions. And it was never, why do you think you should get this? Why do you think we should change this for you? That was never the question. It was, why does your job reflect that you're thinking about what... you know... thinking about what you did? Why... why... why does you living in Colorado matter to the judge? It's a great question one more time. What was that? The question... Well, I'll put it this way. So my lawyer's sitting there talking. He's like, look, Ryan even chose a job that shows that he thinks about what he... what... what he did. Like... like about his crime. Ryan, tell him what you... what your job is. All right. That's what it was. Okay. How'd that work out? It went awful. What does that mean? It went awful. Like I said, I wasn't... I was... that whole situation was insanely stressful. I can't... I painted a little bit of the picture, but honestly, I... I'd already been in that courtroom once and my brain had already left my body and it really... it was like, I did it once, I can do it again. And I was really trying hard to keep it present. And I could hear myself rambling. I could hear myself stuttering. The thing, like I've been in this room right now, I have been practicing not doing all those things, but in that courtroom, nope. Nope. That Ryan, who was not making a point and goes around in circles, he was right back there. I know that Ryan. Yeah. We both do, unfortunately. Okay. But anyway, so... So the judge... So... It's a traumatic experience of being a subject to a court. So, I mean, is it... I have so many questions. I'm having a hard time locking on to one to ask you. We're getting close close to. We are getting. Okay. So, I mean, just explain a little bit more to me than Ryan. I mean, we've... This is the thing... We covered all this. What was the agreement? Why did they change it then? If... at all, if they... Here's the thing I wanted to... I want to say Malone. And this is the point. This is a point that we have not made yet. And I want to... I said that the judge really wasn't listening. And I said that I got a chance to explain, but I'm not present. And this is the reason why I say the judge wasn't listening. He goes... My lawyer says, Ryan doesn't live in Colorado. And... And the judge goes, why... Why does that matter to me? And... That you don't live in Colorado? Sorry. That you do live in Colorado? That he doesn't... I don't live in Texas. I don't live in Plano. I don't live here. Or I don't... I don't live anywhere near the place where I have to go to jail. Because you don't... He doesn't live here. He lives in Colorado. He made that clear. He's like... And the judge immediately came back with why does that matter to me? That's his choice. That's his problem. And... And my lawyer was like, he has a job up there. And then he's like, that's his problem. And then I... This is the only time I jumped in. I said... Or no, he asked me one more time. He's like, why should that matter to me? And then he asked me that. And then I said... I said, sir, the... My family is all up here. Like, everyone is up here. I don't have anyone here. There's no reason for me to be here. They're like, not my problem. Once he said that, after that, there is nothing... That's what makes it a burden. That is the reason it was a burden. It's because I don't live in Collin County. If I lived in the county, it wouldn't be such a burden. Just go there once a year. Be done with it. Some people who... Ben David would kill for a charge like that. I need to have... Okay, I got a question that goes along with this though. Are you dealing with... I mean, is there some kind of legal claim that you have to make? I mean, of burden or something? I mean... No, and that's... Is there an expectation? There is no legal claim of burden. There's no such thing as a legal... That's the thing. I wish there... It'd be nice if there was a thing that was of burden. But there's... It's totally up to the judge what was a burden. And he didn't care. And he said explicitly, you killed someone. It sounds like... This all sounds like whining to me. It all sounds like what? Whining. Whining. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you get a lot of that. Yeah, because I killed someone. So, I'm lucky I got this. What remedy were you seeking?  Yes. This one... Actually, we asked... Did not ask for the Colorado for a day. And I said, we really just said we want to change this condition. This is the only condition we want to remove. And here's the thing. That's not the only condition on my probation. I had to pay MADD, which, for those of you who haven't been paying attention to this podcast or are new to this podcast, MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, is an awful organization. Their sole goal is to put people into prison. I do not approve of MADD. Yes, I know. When MADD gets a hold of this, what are they going to do? They're going to rally against me and they're going to want to put me in prison because that's what MADD does. Prove me wrong, MADD. Please, prove me wrong. Do something helpful to society. Please. But I do not support MADD. I do not like them. I've watched them keep people in prison and do not provide ways for people to get support. I do not. They prevent drunk driving. I do not see MADD ever doing that. I've never seen it and I don't think I ever will because that doesn't seem to be what MADD believes in. Anyway, that was one of the conditions. Give MADD thousands of dollars. One condition. That's done. Next one. What if you don't have thousands of dollars? What if you don't have thousands of dollars? Then you don't meet that condition. No. And guess what? When I saw that judge and if I had not met that condition I probably wouldn't be able to see the judge. So the fact that I could pay for MADD and then pay for my victim impact panel and pay for the flight down to Dallas and pay for all of those things and pay for the lawyer to do all of those things allowed me a chance to maybe get this restriction removed. And I want to say one thing about all of this. All of that money could have gone to my victim's family. All of it. And you know what? If the judge had ordered all of the money I just talked about went to the victim's family no complaints. You would have heard no complaints from me. There would be no podcast episode about that. None. Because that I cannot argue with because I did them a whole bunch of harm. I did not do MADD any harm. I did not do Collin County Correctional Facility any harm. It is interesting that they can pick a cause that they want you to support. I got to say that it just does not sound right at all to me. Right.  So I think we unless you have any final points Final points? You don't have to have any. This is one of those things I don't think 25 minutes. I don't think an hour or two hours can really completely cover this. I agree. It's just too much. And our camera cut out anyway. So we're going to have to wrap it up. Guys, everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the shakedown. Thank you for Malone for being here tonight and and you guys have a great night. And if you have any questions, please comment send us messages and subscribe. We're seven subscribers away from live streaming being able to live stream from Van Expo. We'll talk about that more later on. Alright, talk to you later. The shakedown was produced at Longmont Public Media and our theme song Shakedown was brought to you by in Bottle Elements. If you want any shakedown merchandise or you want to support the show you can go to waywardpress.com That's W-A-Y-W-O-R-D www.waywardpress.com


The best kind of doors are the doors you have to explain. Welcome, welcome to another episode of Unhinged where door hardware nerds get together and we knock and slam on different doorfills. We learn, we laugh and sometimes we even cry, but we laugh to keep ourselves from crying because some of these doorfills are atrocious. Is that even a word now, atrocious? Today we do have a very special guest, Bryce Self. Welcome to the channel, welcome to the show. We're excited to have you on here and share your unique insight. Why don't you hop on and say hello, tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into the industry. Thanks for having me. I don't know why you guys decided to have me on. Number one, after Gary, who's just got a ton of knowledge and just been doing this for quite some time, so following him up is gonna be very difficult. And then also is like my claim in how I get into a lot of buildings is actually not through door hardware. And I probably don't even know 50% of the terminology of like door hardware to begin with. I do a lot of social engineering. Like I love the people stuff. My dad was a sales guy, he's always been a sales guy. And I just kind of got that from him and selling somebody on something. And then you go into the military and you learn some cool stuff and kind of how to manipulate and deceive people. And then you kind of fine tune it there. So I just kind of went in that direction. But yeah, I'm glad to be here. So yeah, I'm Bryce Self. So I started a company called Fortified Solutions where I do basically physical penetration testing and wireless penetration testing. Basically I physically break into people's buildings whether it's through social engineering methods, lock picking, stealing people's badges, cloning badges, what have you. And then also hacking people's wireless access points to basically find all the vulnerabilities I can and then advise them on how they can fix those. I got asked a question I think on another podcast was like, hey, how did you get into this? Like were you kind of a nefarious kid? And I was like, no, I don't think so. And then I was like kind of thinking about it. I was like, yeah, man, I actually broke into a lot of places and I'm not trying to like self incriminate but you know, you're just kids, right? I mean, you get into like the public school, the public pool and all this other stuff. And you know, I'd always like to play in the woods and you know, play army man and all that stuff. So I think a lot of this like being outside, you know, talking to people, getting into places, I think it really came from that. But like I said, I joined the Navy over a decade ago and I ended up joining their computer hacker pipeline, I guess. So I didn't know what a CPU was. So I went the cyber route and they were like, oh man, it's this really cool job and you'll get paid and you'll get ranked quicker. And I was like, cool, sign me up. I wanna get out the house. I was actually waiting tables at the time going to community college, couldn't afford the book but I could afford the class. And then obviously they're like, hey, homework on page 70 and I didn't have a page 70. So I ended up dropping out. And so I was like, all right, I gotta do something. So I joined the Navy and did that. I wanted to be a Navy CO man. I wanted to be American and do all that cool stuff. And I did get to do some really cool stuff. A lot of stuff what they do as well, like training and whatnot, but I got turned down cause my eyesight was bad. So I ended up doing the cyber stuff, which was really cool and obviously how I got here. So I basically went the cyber path. I did my A school, if you will, where I just kind of learned the basics of computer network operations, attack, defense, exploitation, that kind of thing. And then you come out of that and you realize that you don't know anything at all.  And they're like, no, you don't. And you're like, yeah, I don't. So from there, you can go a couple of different directions I guess in the pipeline. I think a lot has changed now since I've been in. So this could be old information, but basically you can go like the crazy Uber hacker route and take it much further. You can go kind of a support route and help those guys out. And then you can kind of go a unique direction and go the tactical route, if you will. And so that's kind of the direction I went in the tactical route. And that's where a lot of that, let's just say social engineering, lock manipulation, picking that kind of stuff really came in and then obviously meshing the two together with the cyber and the physical stuff. Counter surveillance, that kind of stuff really plays into the physical pentest stuff. I didn't know that's what it was at the time, if you will, until I basically got out the Navy and I hit a buddy up. It was one of my mentors in the Navy. I said, hey, can you just look at my resume? He was doing cyber stuff at the time. He was like, well, I'll actually give you a job because we need you to come down here and do some stuff. So I went private and did that for a little bit and then we had some clients asking for physical pentests and I was like, well, I know how to do all that stuff. So yeah, let's give it a whirl. And then here we are, 100% success rate and broken to federal banks and skyscrapers and downtown New York, Chicago. The one in Puerto Rico was cool. That is amazing. They should have like a movie after your story there. I hope not. There'd be a lot of disappointed people. So Bryce, I've got kind of a nerdy question to ask you. You know where the door hardware nerds, what is one of the most door hardware nerdiest things you've done? And I know you manipulate with locks or you penetrate locks.  So I hit this federal bank twice in two different years, both cool stories. But the first one was, I was just able to kind of sneak past the front desk. I'd say sneak past as we dressed up as employees. We hit them on a night where the local NFL team had a home game. So that way everyone either be watching at home or they would be at the game. Yeah, exactly, right? So trying to minimize the amount of people, they would probably put either the non football fan as the security person or the lowest cost resource, maybe. Or the security guy is like this on his phone, right? Like he's watching the game, right? 100%. The second time actually we did it, the front desk person was actually sleeping when we came up to him. But this first time she was pretty vigilant and came prepared though. Trying to go past her and we're just kind of talking as if it's like this emergency, we go up to the turnstiles, mind you, we don't have a badge that works. So we go through and she's like, hey, excuse me. And then I'm like, oh, sorry. And then we show her these fake badges that we made from the pictures of employee badges that we saw. And it was good enough where she sees it and she goes, oh, okay, you're good.  She's like, no, it's fine, you're good. And I was like, okay, great. And then from there, we were able to basically pick the lock, you get off the elevator on every single floor and then you have the place where you have to badge in. So able to basically bypass those. I think I did the rec sensor, do the compressed air right to get past, maybe you're slipped a latch or something regardless. Able to get on there onto that floor. And then I say this the nerdiest thing because it's the most impactful thing for the most part that I've come across. So get onto that floor. And then I see basically this terminal, this computer for all of our non-cyber people that's sitting by itself at this desk, mind you, the rest of them are inside cubicles and everything, this one's just like right here. So I'm like, what's going on with this? Go up through it, shake the mouse. I'd noticed the password's already on the screen, on the sticky note, but you know, jiggle the mouse and it's unlocked. Mind you, this is a federal bank and it says put in your account and routing information. And then here's how much you can transfer over. And it had a ton of commas in there. And it says just transfer however much you want. So I literally could have just put in my bank information right there and just sent over millions. And then my wife's like, well, why? I don't understand, why didn't she do it? I'm like, do you really want me in jail? I don't like, she asked me all the time. She tells all of her friends, it's like, oh, he's really good at getting into places and getting access to money, but he never takes anything. I'm like, how bad do you want me out of here?  I'd be fine, you'd be in jail, but I'd be fine. I'd be set, right? Exactly. That's some pretty nerdy things, right? I feel like there's a lot of hardware nerds that know a lot about hardware and then they get into picking locks and then under the door tool and there's the X centers and they find these little bypasses and they get into that world. And then there's social engineering which is like a whole nother level because you have to have all that knowledge and then the personality to be able to pull it off as well because like if that lady didn't trust you you wouldn't have gotten to those doors. Yeah, no, exactly. And then even then, so I talk about this a lot in my talks and training is so we call it cover for action and cover for status. This is for all my door hardware nerds that don't know anything about this stuff. So basically you have cover for action, cover for status. Your cover for status is why you are actually going to the place that's the overall reason you're there. So my cover for status at that time was we were employees. So obviously you have to dress like an employee. You have to carry things that an employee would carry have responses to challenges, you know, hey, who are you?  Does your ID match the name that you say that might be on, you know, that kind of thing, right? So you have to make sure all that's good. But then not only that is like you said is when you get to that door and then you start manipulating the hardware and you start trying to pick it or bypass it however you want to. At that time, you have to have a cover for action. You have to have a reason for the action that you're doing meaning if someone comes up to you and challenges you and say, hey, you're an employee but you're messing with the store, what's going on? You either have to think about it really quick or think about it beforehand. So yeah, it's always fun. For sure. Well, Bryce, it's a pleasure to have you on the show. I'm excited to get your insight on these next three doorfills and loved hearing a little bit more about your story and some of the nerdiest things you've done. That's great. Mia, do you wanna hop on and say hello? I think you've got the say hi, right? Yeah, hello. Welcome to another episode. It's been so long since we filmed one of these. I think like September was the last time we actually filmed because we were so far ahead in filming. Benji and I haven't been hanging out that much virtually. So yeah, welcome to today. Bryce, we're excited. I love it, me too. So for those who don't know how Unhinge works, I will share my screen with a door hardware fail. We will knock and slam, we'll react, we'll throw out any helpful tips to it and then we'll give it a knocking score. One being it's not too knocking bad, but I get why it's a door fail. 10 being pretty knocking bad, like this needs to be addressed. Let's get someone in there to take care of it. Whether it's security, accessibility, life safety, there's a lot that has to do with door hardware. But because we've got Bryce on here, I specifically tailored these doorfills towards more like if I was looking at it from a pen testing side of the industry. So hopefully we'll have some fun and we'll go from there. Any questions? You ready, Bryce? As ready as I'll ever be, okay? It looks open already. And then I see the sign obviously, it says don't keep it propped open. Oh yeah, I see it down there. Yep, it's propped open. Perfect, love it. You can see the sunlight coming through. Yeah, I guess on my end, I saw the light on the bottom, right? And but then as you kind of go to the right, it kind of looks like it's the rest of the frame, if that makes sense. Like it kind of blends in with the rest of the frame. So it almost looked like someone kicked in the bottom part. I've come across a couple of these. That makes your job real easy, right? Very easy. It's actually the funniest thing is like when I'm training new guys, is I'll come over to them and sometimes we'll spread out.  And I'll say, hey man, how's it going over there? It's like, dude, I just can't get it. And I'll go over there and I'll be like, well, did you check to see if it was open? And they're like, what? And I just open the door and they're like, oh my gosh. I'm like, all right, you know, it's like always just checked to make sure it's open. So yeah, with these, it makes it super easy. Yeah, I mean, if I was trying to break into a place, like one of the first doors I would look to is one of the back doors, like, you know, where maybe there's a person that smokes and they leave the door propped open or usually there's a big rock or something out there that they use to like, so they can get back in. If you hang out there long enough, you're going to find an opportunity to get into the building, at least in life. Yeah, no, you bring up a great point. So like, I will attack smokers. So, you know, again, back to cover for action, cover for status. Don't try to pose as a smoker if you've never smoked. Because, you know, smokers can tell, right? They can tell when you're a brand new smoker or, you know, whatever. So, yeah, you're absolutely right.  It's like, no, they're actually not supposed to, but they end up doing it and we can't, you know, all that stuff. But, you know, hey, it makes my job easier.  And so I'd take a couple of those and I can't remember who I got this from. I think it was my buddy Matt at 7X. Anyway, so you take a gear tie, one of the flexible ones, right? They're kind of longer and you feed it through that stack of magnets and then you basically twist that up so you can have it on your backpack really easily accessible. And when you're going by like that smoker door in the back, if it's a metal frame, you can just stick that magnet to there. And so the gear ties will be hanging over the top of the door. And basically whenever someone opens the door at that point, whenever it closes, that gear tie is going to get in the way of it. So it's a very quick and easy way. You can just pass it real quick, slap it up there, keep moving. And then whenever someone leaves, that thing will be propped open. You just wait kind of close to be able to slip back in. So it's my own little special prop. I know people use pencils a lot. Maybe even Gary brought up the pencil thing, so. Yeah, I never thought about using a strong magnet and a gear tie, but that makes a lot of sense. It's just kind of dynamic and it'll allow the door to open and then whenever it tries to close, it catches it. So, yeah. If you look a little closer, it looks like there's an electric strike in here as well, which I know is a love-hate relationship with people because if a door is not adjusted perfectly and installed just right, if it doesn't have the right faceplate on it, right, then it's so simple to slip that auxiliary latch, right, that dead latch into the strike and then you can use your little tool that you invented to open up the door, right? Like it's so simple to anyone with a screwdriver or credit card could potentially open up your door in that case. There's also that. I got in trouble one time at a different federal bank. Got into their server room through that method. I basically slipped past it and then they said I broke their door, which I didn't. I just slipped it and they just had to reset it. But a lot of times with those doors, I will check for dead latch to see if it is actuated or not. And then it's a quick way to just basically tell us, like, oh, okay, I can't get in that way, really quick triage, I guess.  So then that way you can slip it, because maybe it is seated, right? But you just need that little push to get it back to where it was. I can't remember. I feel like I pulled it one time and then it actuated it.  Like you were buying the first time, but then you? Yeah, you get into a building and you start looking for doors like this. And then obviously, trying to make sure people don't see you. And if they do see you, and what are you going to say? And every single action that you take, every single door got to have a reason. So especially if you don't do this enough, you start getting tunnel vision where you just start focusing on the one thing. Oh, I got to get into this one door. I got to pick this like whatever it is. And then, yeah, sometimes you'll end up kind of screwing yourself. So don't get tunnel vision. But in this case, you wouldn't need any of that because it's propped open, right? Yeah, I would just kick it right open. Real confident. Just to boot right through. No, I would. Yeah, I would definitely, definitely go on this. Especially if he says, don't keep it propped open. This is a door that piques my interest. I think I told a client one time, I know you said obscurity is not security, but I think I told a client one time because they had their rooms, it was like server room one or two or whatever. I was like, hey, just change it. Like just change it, like make it something like water closet or something. I don't know. Just like make it something. Cause it was like server room three. And I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. I'll just take it off. You know, I don't know. You're basically just putting a big target on that door, right? Yeah, take this sign off. Make sure no one props open doors. Like make it a policy, reward people for if something's propped open, reward people for taking the prop out. You know, anything, anything to incentivize people. I should start a collection of the number of wedges that I've stolen over the years. Or just like, I see a fire door propped open and I'll just punt that wedge, like as far as I can. Like good luck finding it, right? Yeah, you just have a wall of props. That would be great.  Yeah, there's something there. Okay. Mia, what do you think about this? Or what are your thoughts? Yeah. I mean, if we're going to look at it in the traditional sense, nothing's really wrong here, right? But that's not, if we're looking at it from a attack sense, then obviously this is an ongoing problem that they have because there's a sign on the door. Like they need to find another solution for this. It can't be tied into a sophisticated EAC because otherwise they would be getting a door prop alarm or they're ignoring it, which is like a whole other problem. From a traditional like hardware installation, everything looks fine, but something's wrong with the security system that they have going on. Yeah. I feel like this is more of like a training opportunity or whoever keeps on propping the store. Someone needs to really talk to them about that. Yeah. Check the cameras. Okay, so knocking score. I don't know if this is breaking any life safety codes or anything like that, but what do you think, Bryce? If you're going to give this a knocking score on security. And Tim being the worst, right? Yeah. I'm very analytical when it comes to this stuff. Traditionally, someone would be like, oh, it's a tin because it's already open and you can just push it open. And I get that. But let's say it wasn't propped open, right? So, you know, I think in the sense that it's open, sure, let's go tin. But then if it wasn't open, that's where I kind of like would back it down. Maybe an eight or a seven just depending, because I don't know if an under the door tool would work on this one because it looks pretty tight at least on the other side. So maybe you can't get anything through, but maybe you can, right? So that would obviously increase that score. And then like you said, with the dead latch being able to slip that. So I'm going to give it a strong eight. That's a good number. I just want to make sure I want to make sure I'm tuned in right. And I would agree with you, like obviously a propped open door is defeating all security with it, right? So like in a sense that that's a 10 right there. But the fact that if we took that out of the picture, I'm with you like they have actually have weather stripping on the bottom, which helps prevent attacks from underneath. Obviously, there's other ways to attack this door with the electric strike. But I mean, it's an exterior door with an electric strike that's exposed. I still think there's some vulnerabilities there. So I'm with you. I'll give it an eight as well. Do I feel like being controversial today or not? We don't know what's in this building, right? So like when Gary was on and we saw that there was a wedding venue with a key in the door, they're probably not going to get state secrets at a wedding venue. So we don't like, we don't know what we're protecting here, but it really is a catastrophic failure of their building security. Easy to correct, but as it stands, it's a 10. Yeah, yeah. Even, you know, physical pin testers, I'm sure you guys probably write reports as far as how severe things are and what needs to be fixed. And that's, you know, how we do it is everyone's a little bit different, but as long as it gets the point across to get someone's, you know, feelers up and say, hey, all right, this is an issue. We need to fix it. Okay, so eight, eight and 10. Pretty knocking bad. Pretty knocking bad. Pretty knocking bad. Thank you for sticking with us for another episode of Unhinged. Our doors are always open, partially because they're unhinged.


What's going on guys? Welcome back to the YouTube video. My name is John Hammond and we are still in Bandit over the Y War game Let's jump back in. We just finished up with level 23 now. We're jumping into level 24 I've got that file saved so we can use our SSH pass real easy and just make the connection that we need cool What is the prompt here? It says a daemon is listening on port 3,000 or 30,002 and will give the password for Bandit 25 if the given password for Bandit 24 and a secret numeric four-digit PEN code There's no way to retrieve the PEN code except by going through all of the 10,000 combinations called brute forcing Hmm. Okay. Well If it's just a number That we don't know we can probably loop through numbers and guess right and we have the password for Bandit 24 We can just check that and it's at the bandit pass Bandit 24 right there it is So let's try and connect to this daemon listening on port 30,002 We can do that with netcat, right? We know we can create a socket and a connection to 30,002 I'm the pin code checker for user 25 Please enter the password for the user Bandit 24 and the secret PEN code on a single line separated by a space hmm so random guess three eight two six and oh I'm sorry. It's probably gonna be the other way around the password first and then three eight two six random guess wrong Please enter the correct PEN code and try again Okay, hmm Well Okay, let's break out of that. I use control C to break out and let's think about how we can do this we had seen previously in Cron D Cron job it was like Bandit 24, right? this guy has this script that we had seen before had been using a for loop in a shell script and We might be able to use a for loop to just iterate through those numbers Let's keep the password in our in our clipboard and let's check out on Google How to do a bash for loop numbers totally just Taking the first Google result And I know the syntax here, but I want to do this so you know, okay Just Google the things that you need to know So this is the syntax another for with the do and done and then doing what you're trying to do in that code block Put together with doing done, but to loop through numbers. You can use these curly braces here And then at the range that you want with a single period in another period. So step just like that. Let's Create a script. Can we get to let's make it home for ourselves John temp for Time for whatever Let's get there and let's create a new script Let's call this like hammer.sh Can't create a save directory. That's okay. We know we're using a bash script So let's bin bash the shebang line that we've got and that's just necessary for the System to know what kind of program we are using What kind of shell or scripting language that we want to use so we're going from one To ten thousand so let's do done and let's just check out what that variable is right now echo I'm gonna save this mark the script executable ch mod plus X and now we can run hammer.sh when I hit enter here, you see it is zoom in through all of these and If we just pipe this into head so we get the first couple lines We're only getting one two three four five six seven eight nine ten But that's not a four-digit pin code right now That's just a number of digits of the number that we're on but we want the four digits. So What do we do? No additional input on this website, whatever I'm gonna let you in a little secret. I can just go ahead and tell you is That if you put the prefix zeros or the zeros right in the front before you're trying to do what you're trying to do Like if you're before your number that you're working with I guess we can really start from zero in case 0000 just happens to be the pin code It will keep all of those preceding zeros or it'll keep that That digits that the four digits that you were working with to begin with so now we'll go from 0000 to 9999 and it'll keep that four-digit pin code so Let's try this now if I bring this to head you can see it kept all those zeros right at the start and Let's actually use three since it looks like it is filling out and keeping that for there Let's keep the zero zero zero By only using three so that way we get a four-digit pin code and not a five-digit pin code that looked like it was giving us Let's try this out dot sh Great Did I save it did that work? I did Are we going too high? Did I have too many zeros on there? No, because that makes no sense. Okay, maybe we can it's probably keeping that last digit because we're getting all the way to 10,000 if we kept this to 9999 See, how does that look? Did it keep The three. Yeah, okay. Good. So now it goes to the four and let's check out the first hundred good Okay, so now it's keeping the four digits that we want here. So while that is being echoed out We also want to have our Bandit 24 password in there, right? I'm gonna put this in quotes just so it looks like all one string argument for the echo command So now Every iteration it'll print out the number keeping the four digits for the pin code and with the with the password included so If we run this script our loop works just fine Now let's pipe that into the net cat connection. We will net cat localhost 30,000 and to Run this script It does this over and over and over again. This is going to be a little slow and Not very convenient for us. So Let's print out what we are what what number iteration we're on what our value of I is on another line and Let's grep tech V for not wrong and This will take a while at this point you are running the exploit or you're running the attack Or you're doing what you need to do to actually successfully Get the password here. I will let this run and Eventually it'll get the password for us and Then hopefully I can show that in the video so you can see it and we'll move on But definitely just let this run trust the time if you want to do something a little bit more special You might be able to try counting down because it's probably not going to be a Four-digit pin code with the first two or three digits being a zero you can go from 9999 and down and to 0 0 0 0 so you might get you might hit the key a little bit faster In fact, I'll do that and then I'll pause the video So until it happens. I totally like lost my train of thought for a second. We're just switching the numbers So now we're working down and I guess we can I can grep for like correct or something and Hopefully that will work Okay All around the script and let you know once it gets an answer Okay, it caught it and I broke out so Looks like the pin was five forty five thousand four hundred and forty five four four zero. I got correct so it didn't tell us the password and That's my fault because I had grept I had grept for correct and that did not help us whatsoever Because we didn't get to see the line that actually had the password so I Guess we can look for bandit 25, but now that we know what number it is. We can just run that single command Let's break out of the script and paste that in here Let's run it at five four four zero The pin code and correct, okay The username is bandit 25 and the password is this guy right here sweet. Let's save the string But that was awful, right? I Gotta say that took a long long time So and even then I ruined it because I grep for correct. So it was totally wrong I really hope you didn't end up wasting your time like I did so Let's try and make this better. Let's see what we can do if I check out that hammer script Since the the service or what we're connecting to actually just displays and exits After it after it sees the the correct key. Can we just echo all of these? Out to begin with can I just run hammer? Oh No Hammer.sh I Don't want I don't actually want to send it to the service. I want to actually just prepare all of this input Like so we loop through everything and it's all a line It's all multiple lines of everything that we want and if I redirect this to like brute force Totally spell brute force, right? brute force dot text if we catted brute force dot text now We have all that output on centered input or on on our screen on centered output on that stream Can we just pipe that into neck at local host and will it read it all properly? That I don't know so let's find out Try this it pins go through all of it and it does okay dang sweet That kept all of our input on the same screen and it just happened like almost instantly we didn't have to wait for anything so that's a better solution and Man, I wish I had given you that first, but hey sometimes we don't know sometimes we've got to try and Even like how I'd rep for correct That was a stupid move because we never know and I hope this is like a learning point for you Is it we never know what that service is going to do or how it's going to behave? Especially when we and what it does what we want it to do We could have assumed it would just give us something like password But we never know if it would just spit out the password itself. Maybe it wouldn't give us the word So having this input all prepared just all those lines and then spitting that and keeping it in that buffer or that stream Maybe piped in it was a good move. Okay. Cool. Thank you guys for watching. Hope you enjoyed this Let's save this password as bandit 25 and Let's keep moving on. I'll see you in the next video


It's off the press now on the breakfast. Good morning Mr. Nikola Wali. Good morning my people, how was the night? Fine, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Let's begin with the nation newspaper this morning. The headline reads, Governors Gives the Condor Soft Landing. Pacify Weekend. The Rider and the Nation also reads, PDP Convention to Hold in October. National Working Committee members barge from seeking second term. On the front of the nation, above the headline it reads, Nigeria Takes on Indonesia Over Assault on Envoy. Lagos records 42 COVID-19 deaths in 8 days. If Ray reincarnates, I will remain philas disciple. Zulam demolished 11 mosques, says Murik. Dixon protests EFCC grilling over 17.5 billion Naira cash. VAT yields 1 trillion Naira in 6 months. Apabio gets NDDC Forensic Audit Report. World Bank stops 21.6 billion or your flood project. Name compulsory for work next year. Dangate on Bloomberg's Reach List. Lastly, APC Governors Backbuniketika panel. And on the Daily Sun. EFCC grills ex-Biosagovna Dixon. APC crisis. Governors stand by Bhuni. Erraged leadership and members to continue with local governments, state congresses and national convention. Also, this on the Daily Sun. Lagos denies takeover claims of leaky concession company. We have spent 502.3 billion Naira on COVID-19 intervention, says the federal government. Also, Nigeria to start manufacturing vaccines within one year. That's from NAVDAC. No plan to sell airports, says the minister. And restructure Nigeria before 2023. Ex-VP Sambu charges Buhari National Assembly in governors. And also, second is to go in October. Reprives for embattled PDP national chairman as opposition gives him two more months. Parties NWC has sold out to APC. I think those are the ones that we can share on the Daily Sun this morning. On this day newspaper, battle fatigued, nearly less 1,000 Burkara members surrender to Gala troops. Ehaya urges others to follow suit, renounces hostilities. Concerns over pampering of repentant terrorists. Above that headline, APC PDP leadership crisis resolved, ruling party's governor, Bakbuni, has second to survive in no victor, no vanquished decision. CBN sets 10 billion Naira capital base for credits guarantee companies. NAVDAC, Nigeria to begin local manufacturing of COVID-19 vaccines by 2022. Another part of these papers, federal government recalls envoy to Indonesia. Rather recalls envoy as Indonesian officials assault Nigerian diplomat. Nigeria threatens to review relations, demand sanctions for errant officials. Next diplomat, Slam Indonesia. CSOs ask federal government to sever ties with Southeast Asian country. Also, Islamic New Year imbibe peace and compassion, Buhari tells Nigerians. 24 killed in Tokoto as household seasons food with fertilizer. Also, South and Middle Belt forums plan protest over self-determination at the United Nations assembly. Dixing dismisses petition as EFCC grills ex-governor over alleged 17.5 billion Naira diversion and others. A man, 28, arrested for kidnapping and raping a 15-year-old girl and collecting ransom. We can also see here ex-Permanent Secretary, 86, writes Buhari and ex-presidents demands restructuring before 2023. Still on the punch this morning, states warn against violation as 30-day cases hit 10,066 and also 70 deaths. World Bank lists Nigeria and nine others as high-debt risk nations. PDP leaders save Secondus, raise a zoning panel. Convention holds October. Finally, Nigeria's major airport, not designed for international operations, says the federal government. Let's take a look at the Guardian newspaper. A headline still about the internal party crisis that seems to have been resolved within the PDP and the APC. It reads, PDP Secondus survives, gets reprived with early convention. PDP elects next chairman in October. NEC to constitute convention, zoning committees next week. Tamboao says APC lacks structures of a political party. APC governors backs beneath committee on Congress, national convention. Colorado afflicts 31,425, kills 816 in 22 states and the FCT. Nigeria recalls envoy over abuse in Indonesia. Over 4 billion naira approved for fueling of police vehicles. A warfare wins best feature narrative at Black Star Film Festival. Last Neil, the Guardian newspaper. Federal government elays fear over assorted vehicles, over assorted vaccines. Has 176,000 doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccines arrived today. To Nicole, good morning once again. Thanks for joining us. Good morning, my friend. Let's bring you in first with the story on the Daily Sun. It says separatist agitators to stage one million man march in the UN in September. The regime is bandwashed. Who always allow people to protest when the two have grievances over one thing or the other. You also allow people to freely go to court of maturity hunger. To lobby and also to mediation and reconciliation. And all forms of dispute and solution should be encouraged. War is a thing that doesn't flow society for anybody any good. That is why I wish you always are calling people to demonstrate peacefully in a nonviolent manner. If the separatist activists have decided to go to the divided nations to demonstrate for what they believe in, for the fraternity of the country, or even for opening up of the federation totally. I am of the opinion that it is within their right to do so. Here I do not know that the united nations stuck up support their self-determination. The African chapter 2 supports self-determination. Even around constitution, even though it may not manifestly encourage the separatist movement, it at least provides for freedom of association. If anybody feels aggrieved about what is happening within the present geographical boundary of Nigeria and they want to go into the zone, they think they are going to be better off as long as they stay on their own, I think we should not begrudge them over that. Okay Mr. Kolaouale. More importantly, you would have seen that we have not been encouraging citizens to freely demonstrate and bend their anger here. These type of people have attempted to demonstrate and know that we send the security forces over them killing, maiming and injuring these people. Okay. We are now internalizing all the government action that has been pushing people to not begin to fight the shores of Nigeria. So they came to fight their anger and that doesn't do Nigeria any good. Alright Mr. Kolaouale. I am quickly moving on to the next story. This seems to be a big one across the papers. On the Panshee's paper, the headline reads, Federal Government Recalls Envoy as Indonesian Officials Assaults Nigerian Diplomat. Now this story, when it broke, we saw the video where Indonesian immigration officials basically assaulted a Nigerian diplomat and pinning his head to the back seat of a car and the diplomats basically shouting that he could not breathe. And we've seen reactions from CSOs and other organizations saying that the reason why this can happen, why a Nigerian diplomat can be so harassed out of the country is because of how worthless the federal government have made the Nigerian seem and that the federal government should go all the way, escalate this to the United Nations and make sure that they see their ties with Indonesia and that they pay for that. But when we look at our country and how we handle things that regard Nigerian diaspora beyond the recalling of this ambassador, how else do you think the government would react? Yeah, honestly speaking, I read your story and I thought you too, the ambassador, which has been assaulted and put alive by the immigration officials in Indonesia is a very, very unfortunate development. What let me say is that this kind of thing sometimes happens and I do recollect a Libyan diplomat who at one time or the other, I think was it in Britain or US, who drove recklessly and then killed the citizens of the old country. The political authorities over there isn't taken away to it. But at the end of the day, they find a very diplomatic way, which don't want to apply, so they may find solutions to that problem. The challenge the Nigerian nation is having in Indonesia is inflicted by our own citizens. Here and I will know that in Indonesia has become one of the very, very physical outlets for Nigerian drug couriers of recent. So many of our citizens take drugs to Indonesia and the process they are caught, they are taken to court and at the end of the day they are executed and their bodies are protected to Nigeria. Charity should begin at home. We should be going to court a lot of attention on the drug activities of our youth, especially to Indonesia, which is giving us a bad name. So each time any immigration official sees a Nigerian, before merely looking at their passport or whatever, they are taken to the suspect. They begin to treat them like suspects. And that is why you find that sometimes even a diplomat who fought victim of the kind of assault that we have seen the Nigerian diplomat in Indonesia go through after recent. I don't support this proposal or the decision of the Federal Government to withdraw the diplomat, the Nigerian diplomat in Indonesia or the Nigerian ambassador. Rather, I will rather call the Federal Government to seek apology, get a written commitment that that kind of thing will never happen again and also insist that there is immigration official that have affected the diplomat and adequately punished for their transgression and aggression. Mr. Kalawane, do you think that would send a strong warning to other countries regarding how they relate to Nigerian diplomats? I said, do you think the action you're recommending, do you think that would send a strong warning to other countries regarding how they relate to Nigerian diplomats and in fact her citizens? Well, I think it will do. Why do I say that? Before now, Indonesia and Nigeria have enjoyed very good quality relationship. You know, the level of trading and the level of ambassadorial exchanges, a technology could transfer. And you also know that Indonesia has a very large Muslim population, just like Nigeria do have. If at each time anything happens to a Muslim in Indonesia or it happens to a Muslim in Nigeria, a Muslim in the respective communities of all is in one way or another. And now for now, it doesn't solve problems. Because like I said, the challenge we are having in Indonesia is because of the drug-cooled activities of the Nigerian citizens, which has kind of given every Nigerian that any immigration official in Indonesia is very bad name. You carrying the grip of what you need to learn first time. If it is your citizens that have brought this shame upon the whole nation, then it is our own that we should request as much as possible to claim before we begin to take a pound of flesh from the people of Indonesia. All right, Mr. Kolaweli, I want us to quickly also talk about this national issue. I mean, this has generated a debate in the past few weeks and it seems like, you know, the steam has settled. And it's about the PDP. You know, it says Secondus survives, gets reprived with any convention. They had been called for Secondus to resign over poor leadership. And we had guests yesterday who said that this simply was a personal issue and nothing to do with the validity of Secondus. But it seems now that, you know, that's over. The PDP members had a meeting from Monday nights to Tuesday nights and it seemed that they had settled out saying that Secondus doesn't need to reside. The national convention will move from December to October and that, you know, the leadership will be now based on zoning, you know, as well as the fact that Secondus will not be able to recontest for national leader of the party. Also with the APC, Boonee seems to have, you know, gotten, you know, the support of lots of people who say that, you know, the support is championship of the caretaker committee. What do you have to say about the two parties as the Guardian puts it that they both have settled their internal crisis? Let me quickly say that what is happening within the respective or within the two political parties is very, very unfortunate, totally uncalled for. We have had the 20 or about 22 years of unbroken democratic parties. By now, we also have five parties that are better organized, that are better financed, that are better managed. But that does not seem to be the case. Most of the political parties, if not all of the political parties that we have in this country today, have refused to go at the age of 22 or they are about their city aging like a juvenile, a delucent juvenile for that matter. And that is very, very sad. Nigeria has too many problems in its land. There is food insecurity. There is property and life insecurity. Only employment is about 33 percent. Infrastructure is in the comatose situation. And then electricity supply has improved very much. Each mission has a kind of a challenge and order. And the parties have the responsibility to drop a viewpoint to be able to solve some of these problems. And they themselves are engaged in this kind of participative war among themselves. This nihilistic war among themselves. How they go to be able to address or attend to and find solutions to Nigeria's problems. That is why they're causing the two especially major political parties. It's not too good for Nigeria. It's going to have very policy consequences on all of our nation. And for the APC, my advice to them would have been to carry on the side of the caution. As I said with regards to the split decision given by the Supreme Court, it would have been better to ask a building and the Soekateka Committee to step aside and then you know, grab some other committees to begin to handle their health of the APC. That would have been the better approach to me as a lawyer because no two cases are the same. The possibility might be that somebody myself come up in future and challenge whatever decision, whatever recommendation, whatever action the building committee takes, which at the end of the day may lead to the notification of most of the elections that the APC might win in 2023. Look at what's happened in Sampara State. This was handed over to parties that never contested the election but that never, that the people didn't vote for. Simply because the party refused to abide by their own rules. They refused to abide by common sense. So in my humble opinion, nearly lining up, the end bully doesn't solve the problem in the APC. It would have been better to carry on the side of caution by asking that committee to step aside and put in extra people in there that it's not likely to jeopardize the future of the party and the candidacy they may be presenting in 2023 because the Supreme Court decision, when you read it very critically with regards to the AKW elections and all that, it doesn't favor the APC and then the bully committee at all. For the PVP, honestly speaking, I feel sad with what is happening to that party. The APC has been in power now for almost about eight years and I'm not too sure that any Nigerian party, or any Nigerian citizen, or any Nigerian voter is satisfied with the performance of the APC. The party they are looking to hold, the party they think that might be able to come and fill the vacuum, the party that might be able to replace the APC with the PVP. But if they are also at the other side, how would they be able to fight effectively? How would they be able to put their house in order and then begin to mobilize and then organize themselves to win elections in 2023? And it would be that Nigerian electorate really don't have an autonomy in 2023 and you can also say that for even all the other political parties. None of them is coercive as a today. Cards in the world of all of them. People that should hold a party. The safe agents, I mean the authorities have sponsored the crisis within their party and the party has also broken into two. One for one side for what they should hold, the other party teaming up with them behind somebody else. Why? It could also be case or it could be said. I hope I am wrong that the authorities may not also be behind what is happening in the PVP in order to be able to get power or to capture power without the power in a very easy light in 2023. Yes, I would need to state that those close claims are unconfirmed at the moment but it's a great place to wrap up off the press. We thoroughly enjoy your analysis. As usual, thank you very much and we ask you to have a great day. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. Okay, we'll take a break here and we'll return with today in history. We're talking entertainment generally.