Chairman of Unique Identification Authority of India, Advisor to the State Government of Andhra Pradesh, Chairman of Natural Enterprise Architecture, Working Group of the Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology. Mr. Jay Sathya Narayana is an IS officer of 1977's batch of Andhra Pradesh figure. Over to you, Mr. Sathya Narayana. Thank you. Friends, then James asked the audience, you know, how many of you are satisfied to get professionals? I do not stand up. So I am not a satisfied to get person. But, you know, I am trying to apply the help of professionals who are satisfied. So, one of the course there was about, you know, trying to explain what is a Enterprise Architecture. It's not about better architecture, but it's about a better experience. So, from the perspective of the government, which is really, you know, not only concerned with its own internal processes and its own services that it provides to the citizens, but also with the welfare of the society and the development of the society. So, what we are talking about here is the enterprise of enterprises, so large complex organization. How do you, perhaps with it, on the one hand Enterprise Architecture certainly let me mention my own experience with it that it's a very, okay, government itself is a pretty exhaustive one. And possibly complex, government is also a complex thing, not more complex thing. So, when you put these two things together, it becomes complexity squared, right?  So, the basic thing, key thing that I want to tell of you is about that, the fact that the Enterprise Architecture is about better enterprise, the focus of the enterprise, what it does, how it does, what it does. So, key thing here is about transformation. How do you transform the department or the group of departments or the world of government if you can? So, key thing is about transformation. How do you use, transformation of the key thing, how do you use Enterprise Architecture as one of the frameworks? That's going to be the theme of my presentation and illustrated with our own experience for the last two years. So, as I said, you know, the focus is on transformation, focus is on business of governance. So, what comes to our mind is the vision, what is the vision? This is the vision of the state or the central government. And in that context, how the employee concept has been started and how we have proceeded. And also, we are going on to the real-time governance situation. So, I would like to spend the next hour on that and discuss these things. And tell you some practical lessons that we have learned the hard way in the last two years, which were very useful to me. So, this is the United Nations Charter of First Amendment Development Goals So, it doesn't start with IT, as you said, IT. It's not just about IT, it's not only about IT. On the other hand, I go one step further and say, you should not start with IT. That's why that question does not start with IT. It starts with the vision on the business side. So, at the global level, you know, this is what United Nations has. Even though 17 goals, which need to be achieved by 2013, and it is further divided into 169 targets under these 17 goals. So, how do you achieve? There are good things to achieve for governments. How do you do that with the person? And in what way IT can help? And in what way enterprise companies can help IT and help the government? So, if you see, I will not speak much about the vision, because we are in the past year of time, and the context is about enterprise architecture. But I start with the business vision and then go on to it as architecture. We have got a lot, you know, a new state, which was divided from a larger state to a smaller state now, two states. So, the new state, which was found in the year before, in the year 2014, a vision was developed, a 15-year vision was developed, which has a number of good goals on the development side. So, the synopsis of that is that we created seven development missions, five grids like power grid, water grid, fiber grid, gas grid and road grid, and fiber grid actually nearly completion in it, in fact, a good part of the state is also governed, likewise there is progress on the other grids also, and five captains, and a vision document, which doesn't speak much about IT, it's not about IT again, the huge document, 300 or 400 page document, talks about what kind of development is going to be there, you know, how do you develop your infrastructure, how do you develop the education, how do you develop the healthcare sector, how do you develop the tourism, and so on and so on, you know, growth engines of the state. So, this is the agenda, even that, you know, what is the role of IT in this? So, these seven missions, again, are about, you know, various sectors of the economy, there is nothing I think so far I have not mentioned, that's what I am trying to emphasize. The primary sector, agriculture and allied, and the social sector is healthcare and education and so on, skill development and employment, urban development, industrial development, infrastructure development, and the service sector. So, the seven sectors, the number of goals have been set there, which again also overlap with the sustainable development goals that I have shown. In the context of arbitration, in the context of what resources it has, what needs it has, what strengths it has, they still do this vision document, and there is nothing I think about it as yet. So, when you talk of, you know, this, there are a lot of, when you talk of IT, yes, what can IT do in this vision, achieving this vision? So, this is what it can do. It can create a mission approach, it can support the mission approach, it can create an, you know, outcome, focus. Machinery can bring integrated approach through reuse of various artifacts, things that are in different sectors. There's a commonality of what it is, how do you, you know, find the least common denominator and then make it common across the world of government. Then how do you know all the citizens end of the day so that they feel they're part of the development process and how do you use visualization so that, you know, what you're doing is also more visually explainable. So, all this is, you know, and there are lots of other things where IT can help with the vision. You know, I'm starting with IT, but you're starting with the vision. You're trying to think about what role can IT play in achieving that development vision and welfare vision of the state. So, we, in 2014, we said, you know, what can we do? The chief minister of the state is a very well-known visionary in this area. He said, we sat together, and then he said, what can we do? I said that we need to think big on this item, you know, about the enterprise architecture as it is. Only way. Otherwise, pretty different departments going off in pretty different directions is not a good thing for the state. So, that's how the concept of enterprise architecture came and we started on this idea called E-Pregati. And it is a digest of the Pagas, basically, born of Pagas, one of the ideas E-Pregati will be born of Pagas as such. So, it's a huge digital dream, I'll say, road map for public sector transformation. And the enterprise architecture applied to government using Pagas, and also platform authentication. I will illustrate them as I go forward, you know, how these things are, the dream is, I mean, coming to stage by stage now. So, why do you need E-Pregati? This single slide, actually, I showed to the political institute and I showed the whole complex thing, 622 pages or whatever, of Pagas document. In one word, one slide, you know, I said that, you know, if you can go piece by piece, like we have been doing for ages, or you can create a vision first, imagine, you're not built art, you imagine from front, a piece of paper, and then you build pillar by pillar to get the touch, kind of thing. If you do piece by piece, you don't know, you end up, like they were building, you won't be touched. So, with this single slide, the same stuff was over, right, in two minutes. Then he became such a big fan, the whole of government had been talking about E-Pregati, and you know, and very soon it was approved by the cabinet, and here it's all 15 September. So, and this is the vision that we have drawn, that it supports, it enables the sunrise AP, the vision 2029. So, we developed a huge, we made a huge effort with the help of the Chrome team of Palak Sahar and his team are here, the members. So, we really worked very hard in several, almost 100 plus departments in the state department to understand their needs, their business needs and trying to find out a common denominator and then create common systems for all of that. So, I'm impressed by fully, so you can't just bring the document just to get a visual idea of, you know, how we've done about it and how how heavy it is. If I carry this in my hand. So, it's a very heavy and big document. You can't just open up and show. So, it has, you know, what those pictures and diagrams, ridges, buildings, all those in relation to government, they're all drawn in these, all these seven missions plus other common artifacts all detailed in this document. So, those who are interested also can access it on our website on the Net for this physical document. So, this is how we started the whole thing. They all have a business vision past. This is more about business than about IT in this now. So, I just want to give you an idea of what, how we went about the whole deep learning. There is no talk-off word mentioned deeply frequently in this document, the whole thing. It is digested when we were designing this document. Okay? So, this is a, I think she, you know, she can take this document and bring it here and explain it. So, this is the vision document. And then it is about citizen-centered services, one government platform. We're trying to see that government is 100 departments today, but government can be one government. Irrespective of, you know, which department which agency is giving the service. And RSS supports sunrise AB or larger vision for 2029 is supported through the various artifacts and various, you know, applications developed under deep learning. Now, this is also one more thing we superimpose on this, that slice and dice is services in the manner you like. Like, you know, life event-based triggers. You have 700 plus services because slice slice and dice, they are according to. It's so very easy today, the kind of technologies that are available. And so, it's convenient for the citizen. So, what should I do? And there is, you know, when I get parent, what do I do? And there is a child birth, registration of birth and, you know, enrollment for Aadhaar.  So, likewise, different lives, life events have set up services, so it can all run place. It becomes very, very intuitively necessary and quite possible. So, the fact sheet is that we have 745 services identified in this book and in 315 agencies of the government and departments broken down into 72 projects aggregated into 14 packages and created in 4 ways. And this is a 2 years execution period. So, technically, September 2017 should have completed but I am a little bit, I was worried that, you know, it was going behind schedule for almost 1 year, I would say. So, but now, for the last few months it has become a great traction and our chief has said, in fact, he declared that 2017 will be the year of impregnancy for Aadhaar Pradesh. Officially you are going to declare. It is also about kind of political message that has to go down to the various ministries, various departments, various functionalities. You know, now the right message should go. So, we are going to officially declare we have declared it already but the notification will have to be shown here on this. That the entire government, part of its time, it will be put behind impregnancy. Who is possible? It cannot be done in a, you know, like Aadhaar. So, his eyes of that is I think it is going to become this year 2017. Now, this is also busy slide but it cannot be read also from anywhere. But let me tell that this is those of the seven missions and then on the left side of the various kinds of stakeholders, like the farmers and the, each one the right buttons on left are green for you. You know, a citizen, a woman, a child, a student, a farmer, a physically challenged person, a senior citizen, etcetera, etcetera, on the left side. And what are the needs and how do you meet those needs? A business person, a person infrastructure, all those stakeholders are there on the left and what do they need that is catered to by the architecture. And this is the 72 pieces of block that I mentioned small blocks there. Each is a project and each read, you know, title there is about one package. So, we have made them to 14 packages and 72 projects as I said. And in the middle is a cove, what we are calling the cove is in the middle and that is how we are. Though it is a very complex animal to make them doble by compartmentalizing the whole thing but not using a big picture at the same time. They underline the commonness of all those blocks, though they are practical implementation purposes they are, you know, physically separate but logically they are underlined, integrated in fabric especially through the cove. So, let me talk about the cove. What is this thing in the middle the cove there in the heart and little background there is the cove. It is like the core of a chip, you know. So, this is, we are calling it as Ipageti cove and I will explain a little later about what is Ipageti cove but around that we have organized in this slide where are we at this point of time and the practitioner is my duty. I reported, I participated in this conference and in Hyderabad at that time and it was just taking in shape where are we going to be. How much of it is green and how much of it is red. So, the symbolism here shows the green portion is all done and with operational already and getting aligned to architectural principles and what is in the light green there on the right side is in the making the quality is not getting built, developed and what is in the violet there is about to be awarded what is in yellow blue and red there is probably where we have to really push it maximum this is the bottom layer try to push it up in this area then we are there and people think core is something in the middle which is really integrating all these together in a open manner in a loosely coupled manner it is not a tight copy but a loose copy defined by the standards and the architecture that is how you know that is where we are it is a report card kind of simple report card and this was also reviewed by our article Chief Chief Shraddala just two days before and the full of government was present at that time there is one more concept to compliment this has been around it we have been talking of sunrise AP sunrise AP as a slogan 2029 number of indicators exist there so to capture that and build a bridge and make the foundation for that development agenda found that you know they are going in different directions that is no good you have created a slogan that is going to be to graph and the foundation for a development agenda so to make it really happen what we created a framework at this point is called sunrise core card meaning it will exactly measure on the development indicators this to graph this architecture will give you to measure exactly where your healthcare your healthcare goals where your educational literacy goals where your maternal mortality infant mortality adult literacy etc chain problem etc where are you controlling where are you controlling corruption where are you providing safe drinking water these are all your goals but how do you measure the level autonomous and automatic so that layer also we have built into this now so it is going to be very exciting it is no longer about IT it is about development you can see the development the thought ticking you know minute by minute so let me I have spoken at the higher level let me speak about these 6 conferences for a minute break and a half for a conclude whatever a deeper idea about what I am talking about what are those blogs each blog there I will talk about there are about plus blogs on the screen but I will speak of about 6 blogs especially the core blog there which is of interest to not only government but ultimately my ambition is that it should be useful for any enterprise the way it is architected is that it is useful for any enterprise even in the private sector if it is like a core platform that anyone can use get up in that way so I will talk about that and I will talk about the forwards sector of the palm sector education sector and people have which is based on Aadha like Gautam was mentioning earlier Aadha that this country has so I will talk about these 6 pieces for a minute and a half so that we get a flavor of art we are doing there and how I mean why you take so much time to do the whole thing so let me talk about the single blog there is blown up into this bigger blog here the core part which I had shown earlier is actually blown up into this and it has several components identity access manner which every one of those 815 government organization needs an IAM like all these are needed by all the department has no flavor of any or it is agnostic to the department or agency that is using them even within the government or outside is all the same so there is an IAM chipset there there is a portal which articulates which sends out all the 745 services through this portal a single point of reference for all the 700 of services organized according to life event organized according to the departments grouped according to various events etc or type of straight order it is sliced and diced in different manner on a single screen within 3 clicks it can reach any service within 3 clicks it can reach any service you don't have anything to be given except that you have certain need to admit your child somewhere that is enough within 3 clicks you should be able to accept your service that is the aim of the portal there even if it is important and these are the days of apps where there are applications today so there is an app store that is created for this app store is not really a group of apps that is put in a folder and you can download and use any one of them that is good but not good enough what we said here is to create a window for entrepreneurs, startups etc in this yellow thing from app store there where we are publishing all the APIs of the rest of the impregnancy packages, self care, education improvement development, development development everybody is duty bound to publish their APIs open APIs except which is classified for obvious reasons for valid reasons they can't publish except that the default is that they should publish it on this app store developer platform so the developers can take it up and then develop apps of greater use to the city number any type so it is an open window for innovation around governments and helping citizens helping farmers, helping women helping physically challenged persons and so on so this is the window of opportunity we are providing so that they help the government they help the citizens in the process that is app store there is a payment interface messaging interface there is a middleware ESB architecture so all this constitutes the and also a CLGS which is a certificate less governance all legal governments are represented here so that no one should take any certificate the simple question is what is a certificate a certificate is something that a document about something which the government already knows it has already got but it ask the citizen right to produce in the form of a certificate what the government already has it is a very ironical you know situation that government in department A has that information and department B ask a certificate about this information why can't the end meet talk to each other save the burden on the citizens and abolish their certificate so that is the theme of certificate less governance which is made possible because entire government is one right behind under the hood the government is one because the enterprise are except principles were calling commonly thrown it's not possible if you compartmentalize if you do product by product it's not possible unless you have the enterprise so under the hood there is a lot of integration happening you know so CLTS is a classical example where we are able to transform and you know leave this to a great extent there is not a culture around such a thing how can you eliminate one stroke right so this is about the core and one more good thing has happened after this we had an industry workshop number of positions have come how we enhance this architecture the repositories of the knowledge of where a party representatives from industry came and talked to us then this is further enhanced where we are putting a layer of openness being further enhanced microservices how do you exploit see MSA Steve talked about it in his presentation microservices architecture how do you take advantage of those latest technologies and not get started with the you know border technologies so all that is going to be transforming or changing this slide to the next idea of the construction so the second aspect is the people which is fundamentally based on Aadha the entire foundation about a family a household while Aadha is about an individual each individual has a distinct Aadha identified by the by the biometric and the Aadha number likewise each household is going to be identified in the people through a unique household idea because no more benefits programs of the government are formulated around a family and get all the advantages out of that so people have this design and we have created this is one of the points we have implemented about to be launched so people have is a 4.3 4 crores means 43.4 million records created through a survey done in the last few months and this is going to be the platform for delivering all the development programs and services to the citizens so that is very much the way this is the kind of architecture of the people have I don't want to go into details that is a single source of truth on people and families next one is about land just as you have Aadha today for every individual probably most of the individuals in this room except those who are our honored guests from our countries they have Aadha today it's my privilege to be the chairman at this point of time of the whole organization so if let us think you know when individuals can have unique education why can't opportunities have unique education so that whatever individuals whatever benefits you are getting from Aadha you can get from what we are calling bhoda in Sanskrit just like Aadha bhoda in serial number of a land parcel of land so it changes well with Aadha so we have suggested that name that is the land hub concept our DC Mishraji is there is a joint in this field and they are implementing this concept this organization is implementing the concept and we are going to draw upon these things so we have also team members here is the team leader also correct so it is about integrating and getting integrated 360 degree view of a piece of land what is its size what is its description what is the real litigation on this land what is the history of the land such that happened on this parcel of land is there a property built on that what is the tax property tax on the land etc so the basic characteristics of that piece of property are actually one one single golden record so that is the land hub that we are having and today in this country the amount of suffering that people undergo in proper records about land is mind boggling there is a report which is almost a decade old which says that 1.3 8 or so percent of GDP is eroded by bad titles that exist in this country about land litigation the uncertainty about land a loan which could have been given one day takes six months one year to give I know market in that land so development is hardly to the right so it is committed to a property a parcel of GDP how do you improve that what can be done so this is just as I mentioned earlier that just as AHA is the unique ID for individual this Godavar is going to be unique ID for this land and there is a demographic and there is a biomedical information for a person here we have the geo-coordinates they land long as a piece of land even if it is really in a higher altitude also it doesn't matter and then preserve it as a fingerprint of the land parcel equivalent of a fingerprint so that if uniquely you are able to you can't cheat, you can't sell the land twice to different people and title is very clear without confusion so all those advantages we come with this architecture that we are doing and then it is as I said unique ID is like AHA number the extent of ownership other details are like demographic information and the map and geo-coordinates are like biomedical information comparison with AHA then this is about farmers and third fourth one this is how a small box there in the earlier is blown into a bigger box bigger chart here which shows how each sector like farm sector is farmer-centric it is designed in a modular fashion where some of that can be micro-sensors with today's thinking and then integrated so easily across the whole government so it's very great way so this is entire primary sector whether you are an agriculture farmer you are a agriculture farmer agriculture farmer, dairy farmer fisheries farmer you are a poultry owner doesn't matter the logic is the same the goal is the same and the kind of benefits that are given by the government are about the same the procedure for that is the same so why do you have to compartmentalize them why don't you create a common denominator for entire farms and right around the farm not about the agriculture department the agriculture department so farmer is the center of things here that's how we have designed the whole thing and similarly for the student you know of KU2PG and beyond and into employment skill they are all in one sector you'd rather be a picture for this sector and create one platform for the world of education okay so that's how Redford-Bartons and Partisan Services so they equilibrate when you end up with 700 of services you know different sectors as I said under the hood there is a commonality across all these and that is also revealed in the top layer the top layer is the common which entire government can use and 2 you see is the impunity portal which orchestrates and which choreographs all these services before they are delivered to the citizen or stakeholder and layer 3 is the common modules within that sector and layer 4 layer 4 at the bottom is you need to have a regular agency so that's how the principle of reuse has been optimally deployed in this architecture in the other sector the same four term classification what is common across the world of government put it on top build it once, use it 20 different times layer 2, components which are common across the government and useful in delivery put them in layer 2, orchestrate choreograph layer 3 common across form sector common across education sector common across world government and so on and layer 4 is specific to whatever is left is only specific to that sector that's how four layer architecture has been designed our entire documentation is around these in these lines it's a clear idea then we also one more thing we have done is the fiber net which is 13 million homes we have reached already the fiber has reached, fiber has been lighted already now we are in the process of giving the set of boxes to initially to 1 million households later scalable to 13 million so the fiber the entire thing has been done in 12 months time it's a very unique project at this time we are taking gigabit to the village right, gigabit there are several enterprises don't have even other today we are taking gigabit to every village in this organization we have taken it rather it's only question of getting started to CP is the only issue now the set of box existing TVs will be transformed to provide internet it's a triple play it's internet voice and also TV all the 150 TV channels 15 Mbps of bandwidth per month 15 Mbps bandwidth and two telephone numbers all these at 149 rupees per month we are given already which is 2.5 dollars per month you get internet, you get TV channels 150 plus regular commercial channels and two telephone numbers telephones you know, landline at 149 rupees per month so entire revenue model is working that way so this is one more achievement in this and I mentioned about SDGs etc. that building a bridge between development and IT you know, enterprise architecture is about aligning IT around the business goals, business business outcomes so these are the outcomes expected we are calling them e-project indicators we know KPI right, e- you know performance indicator conventionally but we called it as KPI, e-performance indicator e-project indicator or e-project indicator so in each sector we have identified one of the top things that should burn people's energy on priority compared to lesser you know things of lesser importance what is the top agenda for the department for the sector, for the farm sector for instance, what is the cross-agenture production what is your productivity compared to China, compared to countries like Philippines etc. in the paddy how do you fare, where are you where is your country, where is your state is all possible through this in a dashboard which I called you know sunrise scorecard, all this is going you know one single number all these 70 odd parameters across the world of government again weighted average weighted total comes to out of 100 marks, how many marks have I secured so far, one single number which tells the performance of the government where are you, is that the development automatically tell in the dashboard if time permits, if you are connected on the internet, one minute I will show madam et al is it connected on the internet this system there you can probably tell later otherwise you know, you can see today how we are doing it, where are we in this journey of display the whole of government's performance in one single you know screen like et al our friend said he is here this team is here from NIC et al is a well known portal, government I worked together at that time on that it's a great you know visible index of what's happening in the government across the country, so like that we are going to build, et al is going to be there and one of the lessons learned last 5 minutes is what is required, can every government do and succeed in e-government what is required essentially, one of the key things before you can start I am not saying that you know it's a preserve of only a few governments a few states, a few agencies but from my experience I have put this, there is no kind of, I can't prove them to a marital equation or whatever but from my 2 years of experience in deploying ea enterprise these are essential the minimum cutoff mark and the maximum desirable thing I have given, political will is a if a normal political will for a program is x enterprise architecture needs 10x of political energy and time and force and you know all that is required from the top political leadership 10x is the I am not exaggerating, unless 10x of force is applied, the engine won't move, the vehicle won't move, we need 10x to move this enterprise architecture and likewise, you know business vision should be very clear, you should have business vision document first, then enterprise architecture document later which I illustrated earlier, we have business vision document in AP and several states also, so that is a requirement an executive team, a technical team, financial resources you can't get it for nothing right, yeah so evolution of e-governance you can't, day 1 you can't think of enterprise architecture, if you have done nothing in e-governance on day 1 you can't, there is no way you can sell this idea, it doesn't make sense, so you should have and then only it makes sense and then of course connectivity is very much required then how do you sell, of course the Taj Mahal diagram is very important, but under the boot you should have some other reasons for selling this one is how much money will be saved to the extract card, how can your programs, your schemes become more cost effective and deliver more with less budget how can you save on IT itself the first one is about programs in various domains second one is how much you can save by consolidation, how much can you save third, how do you get big wins how do you show that you know, that kind of an attractive money parts to the particular executive and release them then game changers what are the various, like certificate less it's going to be a game changer if you have all certificates you are taking the burden of this so it's a game changer, so 20-30 game changers across the whole of government will really propel people to work on this agenda otherwise you know why should they work, there is nothing attractive, you know it doesn't make an appeal to them then similarly revenue from services you can charge 10 rupees, 20 rupees from service, 7 of these you become self-reliant then boost local IT industry and popularity of the government will improve once you have done your act well then most of your externalities for India when I think I think Gaurav is here and might be to him will be the following I mean that, this and the other slide previous slide other 1.11 billion is already there which is a an asset for the whole country which gives you a proportion power identity is no longer a paradigm for the IT guys it's taken off your chest it's not a problem driver cashless academy is again one more push I am getting it Digital India whole slogan the initiative is under the banner of digital India this is all positive for us then mobile phone populations lot of services we deliver through mobile phones and a good manpower which is IT ready but it has to be enterprise architecture ready so that kind of a graduation has to happen yet but you are not starting from scratch you have people who understand who can understand possibly all this so these are the assets for us and then for India my feeling is it's not a critique about enterprise architecture but having lived through it for 2 years I am telling we should have some EA light what is called like a diet coke or something we should invent a diet enterprise architecture so it is spreading on its fat it's very thin and slim and nice and good and attractive for people to understand implement it quickly and then agile development method if I sorry James that ADM today I am a classical way of doing things but people have time to go through so many iterations and so many cycles it should be more agile you take a lesson from that you customize it to your own needs so that it is agile and quick to no like agile development methodology agile architecture development method they also should be agile enough so that it is not fixed in time it's continuously improved it's not something continuously improved learn and improve EA as a service can we do that we are talking of today PIS, SAS, everything IAAS and iPath integration platform as a service so many things are coming can we add to the jargon by calling EA as a service there are so many concerns and learnings that every agency will have to go through I just buy the service customize it and start using it he has a service together as an organization to think about it and Government of India can think about it in fact I am chairman of the work group there was a person from someone in the audience that we have had 5 meetings so far and maybe 2-3 more meetings by March will be done with our recommendations really it's coming off so very well we are positioning it as the India core platform India core though my title of my talk today is in the agenda you will see as India INDEA India Enterprise Architecture so we should be really showing the lead to the whole world that is working group is really working with that spirit INDEA not IA I didn't put it formally in this slide because I am chairman of the committee and chairman of other things I should not commit till it is formally approved so though the organizers have put it there but we are working on that at this point and sometime to respond to your question sir by April our report should be out there then hybrid cloud so these are the areas I thought we should explore and this is the stack that is recommended for that IA in other countries also they can see commonality if you put this as a service all this you bundle the complexity it is all under the hood you get the service enterprise class service in these areas together at one stroke that is what IA as a service is my message it is challenging but doable and should be done I think we will be definitely you know supporting any effort in that tradition and I would appeal to Steve and his team to just give a consideration to this concept of IA as a service is it doable thank you