of of the regional assessment method And in a kind of a fundamentally different way than just this is regional assessment working group version 976 or whatever it is But that's something that starts from The principles that we know that there is disagreement among our member towns about what is fair We also know it were that our member towns are unlikely To come to unanimous agreement about what is fair However, we can't just keep going on like this which is lurching from crisis to crisis. It's not good For the member towns. It's not good for the district in terms of our time spent and um, You know in the in the health of of of the district and so we need to figure out a compromise and I think Um, I think that's most properly led by their regional school committee. Um, Not that we know like not that we need 50 more meetings But like but something a little more focused than hey, let's let's try and go find this magical Solution where everybody agrees like we we've we've we've done work to the determinants towns are not going to agree What's fair? So what is is there a consistent steady state that we could that we could achieve consensus? on I think that is really um the the next the next step because otherwise We're just gonna it's gonna be next december and we'll have our first budget presentation next fiscal year And we'll have a meeting of similar tone till last year, which I don't think we would be would be great. So thank you Okay, um, I see your I see your hand is up Yeah, I just I I want to agree um underline repair what mr. Demling was saying. Yeah I think we we need to do more work in the I I want to say off season for the budget to really work on this because um The every year struggle is just so challenging um It I just it something needs to change something needs to give And I I would agree too that I don't think it's a lack of understanding of the different methods. It's really Um, just how it all comes together and the ability for the different towns to pay and We need to figure something out To hopefully smooth that out a bit. So I just want to I want to I don't want to say that a second that but I really do hope that That as a group with all the towns we can talk in in Much more and not just like in december Yeah, so I can bring that back. Um, I would I would say I concur that um with what's been shared and And I do think having conversations before we get into the next fiscal year Next fiscal year's budget anyway is going to be really critical because once we're in the budget we're in the budget and and our ability to speak abstractly is Low Because because that's not how budget systems work So I'll definitely share that back with the person who reached out in a very friendly way for me from shoots very I mean it was it came from a very friendly place Um, I think there's some acknowledgement given today's news particularly from desi that are built it up To take on additional projects at the moment is going to be a little limited At least I'll say that from the staff end, but I think I can I think the school committee end matches that Um, but that we will try to gather the group You know at some point, you know For the end of the summer anyway, we can make that commitment To really dig deep into this topics before we get into the the discussions of a future fiscal year So thank you for that feedback You know, I was going to bring up a superintendent update But I felt because we had the budget hearing seemed more more appropriate to bring it up in the context of an agenda item Then the update so I know it's a bit of a Not a non sequitur. It's a bit of a tangent But give dr. Slaughter enough time to take a look and share some updated information and some new numbers Actually, uh, given some changes that we've received from one of our member towns A couple different options for you to look at that you have yet to see and this is fresh hot off the press Um Finished this afternoon because we got new budgetary information. I don't know right around the desi time like I don't know early afternoon It was a very busy afternoon today. Uh, this case. It was more positive news, uh, frankly than the desi information But um, so this is not in packets because it was not available Until this afternoon this evening That's right. And so so uh At it, you know about a quarter to two I think the the the information from desi came out about two o'clock. So needless needless to say Uh, the superintendent had a few different things to juggle. Uh, fortunately, I was able to to uh Take the good news from from the town of aimers as far as their ability to support our budget and sort of plug it into This this sort of this slide and the next one that will give us some indication of of You know, sort of what happens to the assessments relative to that So so the town of aimers informed us that they would be able to support about a 2.1 percent increase Uh in the current year's uh assessment Whereas previously it had been around one and a half percent was kind of the limit of what they could do and so in Uh taking that and kind of back solving it into into, uh, this revenue projection You can see the sort of results of that and so what happens is um What what we did for simplicity's sake was to to reduce the amount of school choice We would utilize which effectively makes our operating budget a little larger So that number on the very top line across the board It's the same in each of those is is now different. It's uh increased in this particular example It's about 125 000 dollars larger. Uh, and the way that cascades through And I would say take a particular look on this this slide in in the blue category or teal kind of category Uh, we targeted the 55 uh to get to Amherst at a 2.1 percent increase in their assessment and you can see the the the resulting changes to the To the other assessments for everyone, of course because the operating budget went up a little bit And relative to what we've been looking at, uh, it's still less than the current year but but not as much less But everyone's assessment went up Uh A little bit as a result of that more for some than others by virtue of the nature of the The combination of factors in our in the assessment method But I wanted to to point out that's really the particular slot column within this this Slide that I'd like you to take a moment review relative to what you had in your packet And and in some sense is what we've been looking at over the last several weeks relative to assessments And so think about that in in in that regard As a parallel to that i've created a second slide which we'll switch to in just a moment But I want to give you a chance to review this one. Uh, we did the same exercise, but with the 65 percent Being at the increase to amherst at 2.1 percent Um, that's a a change in in our operating budget a little over 100,000 about 104,000 dollars is what that that works out to In other words, we can afford by virtue of that increase we can afford a budget That's a little higher by about 100,000 104,000 dollars. And so Uh, and I'll switch to that slide Yep, and as you're switching dug, um, just want to mention that one of the painful parts of this was Uh, we would love to have clawed back some of the positions and we're making a decision that we think Uh, I don't have confidence that we won't be having this conversation again next year And I think that's shared between me and dr. Slaughter And so we're we're trying to with this revenue once we came up with this cuts list instead of restoring cuts Try to preserve some funds so that it softens what what potentially will be our budget In the next fiscal year and that's something we could definitely take feedback on but as we looked at it Uh, we we thought it was wise to With unexpected revenue um Kind of make sure we're a little more stable footing financially as we head into the next fiscal year As opposed to kind of rolling the dice more than we are in terms of you know choice and some other revenue sources. So, um Doug, I'm sorry to interrupt your flow, but I think you can describe version b of that and and why we came up with a different version of it Right. So so in this one, you know in in uh, in the last four towns meeting, you know, the the the folks uh from chute parade Had expressed, you know an interest in being much more Moving toward a fully statutory method. So in in that regard, uh, I think the the 65 percent was potentially the Sort of low end of what they thought might be Uh, where their target would be uh, relative to what we're showing at the time Obviously the numbers have have changed since then but so in this circumstance What we've done is the 65 percent sort of the terra cotta color the middle of the screen Uh, has the Amherst, you know, uh increase 2.1 percent higher than than the current year's assessment And then there's the of course the uh, the changes to the others as a result of that as well um And again, it's it's uh, you know the impacts relative to each Each community is a little different based on the fact that it's a 65 percent method instead of 55 percent method But it does, you know afford A little higher budget and therefore as as we said a sort of preserving of of resources for next fiscal year that That we thought was an appropriate and prudent sort of choice, uh for for this kind of a change So I think that uh, you know, I'll give you a moment to look at those and certainly I'm happy to answer any questions Anyone has at this point having looked at those two things You know the the the change to to Amherst to go to 2.1 percent is a a little over a hundred thousand dollar increase Uh in in their assessment is the sort of raw number uh The changes for any individual community is you know, sort of vary between like propellants between 5500 and You know Little over six thousand dollars increase in those two scenarios. We're we're frozen here for lever It's about 8600 to almost 13 thousand dollar increase and then uh for shoots very it's a uh 10,600 up to about 15700 so those are the kind of changes that we're talking about relative to what we've seen on the slides you had before um, that's a bit of the blur of numbers there, but but again, it It is uh, they are different than what I've shared with with uh, you know broadly and publicly in in the packet, but also um, some of the the town administrators have reached out for for numbers and so I've shared those and this is different than that So I'll have to reshare relative to that but but certainly uh, your thoughts and feedback on this is important to the supernative myself and so I'd love to hear if you had any questions or comments relative to this um, I have I see your hand, mr. Demling, but um I'm gonna use my position to talk first um I'm having a hard time But it took me a while to sort of wrap my brain around how we sort of have a 300 thousand dollar gift in in health insurance savings that then but then translates to You know more more cuts on this cuts required line right because before it was 1 million at 1.2 million So I was able to wrap my brain around that but now you're saying that we have more revenue um, and so Like we have a hundred thousand dollars more in revenue and yet We're still still looking at that 1.2 million dollars in in cuts Where did that where does that 100 000 show up? And then my second question is what's I I didn't follow what the difference is between version a and version b in terms of revenue But where is that where is that revenue? Right, so so the uh, the the thing I will express to you is in the in the circumstances with with uh, in both case a and b Uh, what I've done is altered the the sort of top line the operating budget So that was in your packet 33 million 9777 dollars And if you look at this version This number 33 million 113 777 is an increase of about 104 thousand dollars On the previous slide, which I'll switch back to for the moment This increases 125 thousand dollars. And so what that increase in the in the operating budget does is it it When all other things in this section, you know, sort of stay the same is that this total amount to be assessed goes up Uh by roughly 120 you know by the 125 thousand dollars And so more money needs to be assessed and so because a community said we have more available for assessment We're essentially passing that through the through the calculation to the the amount to be assessed Um But it is a bit of an inverse bit of logic that we have a savings and it becomes it shows up in a reduction section So the thing to think is that there are cuts and there are reductions and it's a reduction in costs. So those Reduce our overall number which in in turn, you know, could have been shown in this in this operating budget line we have Chosen to show it in in in this section in the uh in the cuts required. It really should say cuts slash reductions section whereas the change that that were, you know, in Putting in place relative to an increase, you know resources available from the from the member towns were essentially showing in this this this top line now I could have put it in the other one, but it's it's sort of a bit of a Zero-sum game in the in the regard to how it's impact. So it would be the same as taking You know in this particular slide take 125 thousand dollars off of that So it's the same as saying. Oh, well, then the cuts are One million 75 thousand dollars It has the same effect on the on this section where the where the assessments play out I chose not to do that because the the the particular item we were thinking about is is school choice which is sort of not it doesn't sit on the On the sort of ads and cuts list we could have put it that that place I just felt to be consistent with what I've done in the past. I would I would keep it there and in that Operating budget side. It's it's a bit of semantics in some ways, but So What the decision or the proposal that you're bringing forth is that rather than Reduce the number of cuts that we're making this year With that we're going to keep that For for next year. So I guess that's sort of the connecting the dots. I'm not sure how I'm sort of making another way to say it would be that We had originally budget, you know plan to use 600 thousand dollars worth of school choice To support the budget and what that does is that's sort of built into the operating budget It doesn't end up on our ads cuts sort of list So that 600,000 of support from school choice Reduces the number on that top line of this chart Um, and so if we use less of it that makes our operating budget go up a little bit But it also preserves in our sort of school choice bank account. It preserves that money In the balance for for use later Thank you. That's helpful Mr. Demme Yeah, um, I'm glad you asked that question because I'm still kind of confused on it And I'm sure I'm I'm confused about how I'm going to explain to somebody. Oh, hey amish went up from one and a half to 210 All right, great. What was the effect? Oh, we cut another 200,000 dollars from the budget Like wow good going school committee. Um, so it's it's really confusing The way it's laid out and I know it's probably maybe in like finance land This is more accurate, but it's it's it doesn't make It's really hard story to understand. Um, so I'm not Uh, so I guess I'm just trying to rephrase what what miss mcdonnell just said Would it be accurate to say that the effect the net effect of amherst increasing its its, um Assessment from one and a half to 210 Is is that we are going to take a hundred thousand dollars less from school choice Therefore we're going to have more available from school choice in next year's budget In other words, we've it's it's bought us a hundred thousand dollars More possible support next year's budget. Is that is that accurate? That is correct. Okay, sweet. Um, Thank you, um So the difficulty in displaying it is that what we don't show on here on this on this particular slide is those uh, that particular type of of Uh, other support for the budget. This is primarily focused on things that fall into what's called the general fund so things that are in revolving fund accounts like school choice monies like, um Transportation reimbursement et cetera et cetera oftentimes. I mean transportation is on here But we actually still put it into a revolving fund for the same idea We've traditionally not chosen to show school choice in the same way because I'm not sure exactly why we could put it on a line in the revenue section in some respects In much the same way we we have it traditionally We tend to hold that and and display that differently in our budget. And so that's that's the difficulties It doesn't it doesn't visibly show up in here Uh, you know, it is in as direct a way as as some of the other things Then follow up is because I asked us on this Kenny Okay, go ahead. So dr. Marsh just real quick. Um, so the increase from one and a half to 210 from amherst is obviously very welcome News of not expecting nine o'clock at night. So this is great to hear. Um, was there any Story or explanation given? I'm very grateful for that. Um, you know, we've obviously been an issue for a while You know, it's really appreciate that. I didn't I didn't know if there was any background to that Um, the email that I got indicated that um, some financial situations or conditions of amherst improved where they were able to extend it not just to the regional district but to other Departments as well and unless dr. Slaughter has more information Um, I tend to ask more questions when the numbers go down than when they go up So, uh, maybe that's human nature. Maybe it's an error on my part But uh, I skipped ahead when I saw the numbers going up and I'm used to seeing them go the other way and be asking lots of questions So, uh, that's as much as I have for you. I want to be clear. This came from staff at the town It did not come from the town council But I did express to both Sean and paul that we did have a regional school committee Meeting tonight if there's going to be any shifts that we really needed to have it in time for the hearing And they they beat the deadline. So thank you to Uh, the staff of the town of amherst for doing that quick work. Um, so that we could share this accurate information with you tonight And not have a significant change before you all are asked to vote on this And it's seeker I'm really curious about process for this for How do we get to what we're voting on in in two weeks from now? um from this Yeah, so, um, it's a great question because that's exactly where I was going to go now that we got more of the clarification on the Uh, the way parentheses work and in school district budgets, which uh, can be confusing to all of us Um, so, you know, I think the budget amount, you know, you see here But I think the big question is that we do need to get feedback from the committee Um, because we have two budget versions One has, you know, as dr. Sutter mentioned a 55 method that we would be recommending if we Kind of the one that you're seeing now in the blue and if you're able to forward to version b dug Um, if you're able to skip back to that at this one, you know, you know, there's not a huge difference But we would, you know, probably be able to do the 65 method the terracotta Um, there's not a huge difference between those in our budgets. Um, you know another question I'm getting and we're going to have another four town meeting We could, um I'll leave it there. Um, but, um You're gonna have to vote not just on a dollar amount, which is slightly different on these two models But also an excessive methodology Um, I don't have a great sense of what will pass every town, right? You all were at the same four budget four town budget meeting than I was You know, we've been talking about 55 percent Uh for a while as a compromise, right? There were towns at that meeting that said 45 percent is the most We should really be using the regional agreement method There was another town that said we really need to move towards statutory. So, you know, in my head if you can flip back to version a Um, dr. Slaughter started to make you go back and forth This felt about right that the 55 percent method, you know, would be would be better Um, you know, I think it's a reasonable compromise from my perspective Um, you know, I think we could you know do our work to try to convince the towns But I don't know if there's towns that are right now saying, I don't know if I can get 55 percent pass There's other towns that say there's no way we'll bring up 65 percent, you know So I think we are I don't know and I want to be honest that I would love to think that a four town meeting would resolve that difference I am not convinced of that. Um So, you know, I think we are looking for feedback because what we want to bring to you in two weeks Is a final budget that you can vote both in terms of assessment methodology As well as the total budget amount and so, you know, the difference between these two isn't great And it's really reflected in some of the choice piece and how much budget we're going to use from that But it's much more about what do we think? We'll get uh, move forward in our communities. Um And that that's really the challenge we have now You know, I think we're open to feedback in the ads cuts But I think we've talked about that at length at multiple meetings It's really about the assessment methodology and what we can do and I'm sorry to give you more choices In some ways we were thinking do we even give version b? Uh, but we felt like transparently both for you and members of the public that I think, you know We will roll with what you all choose and we wanted to give you options so that you can make the best choice So, you know, I think the two things to look at are version a here the 55% method and then If the committee really wanted to go to 65%, you know, we we had what that looked like with amherst 2.1% um But I have a lot of concerns about um going to 65 and it not passing in some of our member communities Just to be honest with you with the feedback We've heard continue to hear from now these two of our member communities So that's the kind of feedback we're looking for is, you know Are there are there leanings are there perspectives that people want to share so that we can come back and recommend one particular method for For our next meeting in two weeks. So hopefully that helped me see her So I saw um, I'm going to apologize to miss Kenny because when I called on mr. Demling miss Kenny did have her hand up and and you your image your thumbnails are right next to each other And so I went just geographically to miss Um, so um, I see three hands. I'm miss Kenny then mr. Sullivan and then miss seager Has another question You're muted miss Kenny. Sorry. Um, no problem about that. I have I'm sorry. I Can hardly see it. That's why I have to look with far to the other way. It's fine. It's because I'm on my laptop Um, I do have a quick question. So so these all have 1.2 as the amount of cuts Correct. Um, and I was just looking back through our my notes from previous meetings where we had um said 1 million in cuts. Um, so did something change along those lines and then um, I also saw in that the 1.2 I think cuts ended up with Less positions being cut. I'm I'm just not following how that is working So I'll see if I can relate this out a little bit for you in in that regard and so um, so what we had was a fairly a good bit of news relative to health insurance and so We're going to get the benefit of avoiding that cost for one month and that Saves the district on the order of about three hundred thousand dollars and so that goes into our cuts and reductions list and so that made the 1 million go to 1,300,000 in cuts and reductions and so that's overall, you know, just taking it away from our budget And then we restored a couple of things which is how our fte went down to 14.9 and and so most so that sort of Stole back a bit of that. Um, so that's that's kind of how we got there and and so the You know sort of changes to person. This is all sort of Not all of it, but the piece that was beneficial news was in an area that is purely budgetary and not as much You know choices in the school building as far as personnel and classes offered that sort of thing But the restorations were and so that's that's the good bit of news even though the the overall reduction looks worse relative to the advice the location of where that happens is is a Less attached to students in there and their success in school Okay, so it's more a matter of how it plays out on paper Great same same kind of before as the the the overall budget went up even though okay to financial gymnastics Okay, all right. Thank you. And so I More along. I don't remember who asked the questions before so as procedurally so the school committee not only votes on the overall budget but then also the assessment method and then what We as a group decide then goes back to the four towns. So we're I just want to make sure I'm understanding things correctly. So we're voting on the the dollar figure and how then that gets Figured out between the four towns That's correct. Okay. All right. Thank you We'll have motion language sorry Mr. Sullivan Yeah, sorry. I missed so much of the meeting. I was hanging out with the shoots very select board finance committee and school committee and That the three boards individually took votes to decide that They're gonna stand firm at the 65 statutory with a five-year ruling average. That's their stand for this budget season Mr. Seeger, sorry. I was muted I'm taking a second here to absorb what mr. Sullivan just said Because I honestly think that a 65 percent will not get passed lever it um that I very What I heard from the select board and finance committee there during your four towns meeting is is That that that's not the direction that ultimately we would want to get to in terms of assessments And I won't speak for other member towns on what I heard that day um lever it's interested in the 45 percent I personally as a rep here and being in support of education Um, I personally would support the 55 percent. I actually I like version a um So I think it's going to be an interesting here. Um it's Uh, what what I so so all of that being said and I'm on what mr. Sullivan said about what happened in shoots very tonight Can you clearly tell us what happens when With there's two separate things if the assessment doesn't pass what town Any of the towns? What's the default assessment and then separately if the budget Doesn't pass one of the towns now. I think I'm a little clearer on that that we we sort of get bumped to um Probably like a 112th the state comes in and helps us out there, but what happens in each scenario You want to take this dog? You want me to do it go ahead? Okay, so we had a conversation with the state. I don't know two weeks ago Everything blends together, right? Um, and we got some clarity. It was very helpful very clarifying conversation. So what happens is Um, if it's any part of it fails to vote it comes back to you all and the school committee can choose to Keep the same budget and re-vote the same buzz it it can choose to change the budget It could choose to keep the same assessment methodology Or do what it likes with it. So the first step is if there's a failed budget In either by assessment method or budget it doesn't really actually it's sort of arbitrary because If we don't have a shared assessment method, then we have a failed budget anyway. Um, so We got that clarified. That's really more semantics than anything else. It comes back to the committee for your consideration If we get to july We don't have a past budget which given the date of town meetings Is likely that we wouldn't have time actually to pass a new budget and actually have the towns re-vote on it With the exception of the town of amers Then we do go into a one-twelfth budget which the big commissioner sets our budget And also sets the assessment methodology as statutory. So they wanted that was clarified For us that that it was we'll revert to a statutory method Last year was a little different because a lot of the one-twelfths budgets that were formed weren't because towns couldn't get along It's because they literally couldn't have their town meetings. So last year there was some flexibility and that only confused matters But that was clarified for us directly And then, you know, there's a lot of they the desi tries to support districts regional districts with working with member towns To try to get to a place of resolution Um On a practical matter our budget is As you see going down Uh I think it's unlikely our budget would go down more, you know, we they can't promise anything But they do look at they put a lot of weight on what school committees vote for what communities need for funding So we can't guarantee anything but I asked very direct questions around that I also want to be honest that some of our member towns are really raising if we do a failed budget this year They want to talk and we heard this at the four town meeting. So it's not it's not my opinion Um, I quite like our district Um But there's going to be some real conversations about what we want to do long term similar to what mr. Demlin said earlier Although with a different different bent for sure if we don't have a past budget And so, you know, I think on a practical matter desi sets the budget If if they they perceive that the school committee has voted a reasonable budget They generally, you know, don't want to Overrule school committees on that it's not a guarantee. Uh, it definitely goes back to the statutory method Um, and then they you know, they expect communities sort of working out if it continues into the fall into november That's where things shift a bit with desi becoming, you know, more heavily involved in trying to resolve matters There are some districts that are trying to read, you know Unregionalized now. Uh, we ask that question because some of our towns have asked us Can we unregionalize if we're unhappy? Uh, that does involve the commissioner's approval and it is a multi-year process Um, but it can't happen Again, i'm far from advocating for that, but I think it is relevant information to share with the committee and the community Um, that there there are some people talking about that if we don't get to a better place because every year We seem to be in the same place Of which is trying to do one-year agreements and and lots of conservation. So that's not critiquing any town at all That's just trying to very plainly share with you the implications of a failed budget both In terms of desi's next steps and then the political ramifications that our communities may engage with so Stakes are really high You know, it's not just because i'm really tired and that i'm being uh that i'm saying that i'm This is Very real to our member towns. It's it's becoming A touch point in all of our member towns The sense of frustration that we cannot get to we have some really different opinions about what fairness means Uh about assessments and I think everyone coming from a good place I think everyone's trying to support schools and I think everyone's trying to do the thing that they think is fair Uh, you'll not hear me critique a specific town for having a specific opinion. I think there's validity all around My frustration is that we can't get anything consistent and desi's frustration, frankly, is that we can't get anything consistent They expect communities to have the same method More or less year and you're out and we never do and yeah, I don't think I've had this my fifth year in the job I don't think we've had the same assessment method For any period of two years in those five years and we certainly won't this year. Um, so again, sorry for my Uh bluntness and candor 930 I'm a little tired. It's been a day But I want to answer your question directly and share that's that's sort of the next steps that we have here You know, I think I'm not sure what the right compromise is and I'm not sure there's one that every community will support You know, um, that's not a critique of shoots very mr. Sullivan. I want you to to know that I appreciate you sharing it back It's not a critique of lebrate Uh, the seager I think, you know, you're you're representing your town and talking about that. It's not a critique of any of the towns Um, but if if 10 percent This year is going to be a determining factor of failing a budget. I think there's going to be some some pretty significant Uh conversations that happen on the tail end of that that bring lots of major large-scale questions to to task For the community. So, you know, in my sense, I hope we can come to a place where we Say, you know, can we compromise for a year? Can we meet in the spring and and we've been through this before? But if we can't we can't and You know, it's starting to feel a little bit like we might be there and that we can't place And that's a big concern of mine. It's a big concern of the education We provide to students and I'll put the soapbox that's been Up on my desk too often today I'll put it down so that you can continue the conversation, but just wanted to answer that one completely One other thing I'll add just mechanically regarding the the sort of failed budget scenario is that uh, you know the the as as the superintendent indicated the the state is Is definitely going to exert a greater level of pressure on us And it certainly worked with us to try to get resolved with the four communities to get to a budget If we're not in in that circumstance But if we get to the end of december They they sort of take our choice away So they you know sort of by fiat the commissioner decides what it is And we all have to live with whatever that choice is as of december So that's that's a that's a boundary that is worth knowing as well You know is for us the mechanics of how how it works Regarding, you know a difficulty in coming to a budget any other Questions comments Mr. Deming So dr. Mars just real quick in terms of Going out the sequence there of a failed budget if it comes back to us Yet technically we could revote something and presented the four towns, but you're saying that That that schedule wise since that would require a new town meetings Right if i'm not mistaken in in three of our member towns to then reconvene And re-approve that's very unlikely to happen by june 30th. Is that is that a fair restatement? Yeah, and especially because I believe at least some of the member towns are meeting a little bit later than they typically Dr. Slaughter any of the members from the three towns could correct me, but I think some of the town meetings Are not quite in the typical schedule Timeline, but maybe i'm making that up. So if I am, you know, someone can correct me, but Doug, do you have that I believe shoots berries meeting june 12th I've not heard of any of the others moving from their traditional timeframe But I believe it was shoots very they indicated that they were meeting a little later this year Um, which, you know, if they meet june 12th and so then we you know, there's roughly two weeks left in june at that point If if if there's not a budget miss seager Uh levered is meeting me first from what I understand right now. Um What i'm curious about is is What other people think too Um, and maybe I can't ask that question Um But i'm curious because I feel like Uh, I know where the levered officials stand and I know this way at town meeting and how that can go Um, and I don't think there's anything that I can do about that, you know, no matter what I support here Um, I find it personally incredibly frustrating that one town is is kind of pushing us in one direction. I'll be honest Um, I understand it. I understand the different scenarios Um, but I find that incredibly frustrating instead of trying to find some sort of compromise for Across all of us, but I am I'm truly curious about if other people Want to talk what they're thinking as well Miss dancer Um, I believe that for pelham the the finance committee I think and somebody can correct me if they think i'm wrong indicated that they could go with the 55 and um Maybe the 65 as it's revised Well, they wouldn't have seen the 65, but that that's Where pelham stands and um Yeah Mr. Sullivan, do you have air of hand raised? I did and then I took it down. So yeah to speak to Miss Seeger's piece, you know, I This is coming from you know, I'm like you I'm appointed to this committee and I have to Do what, uh, you know, what is pointed to me And but I will say that for some in shootsberry the thought is that statutory is Is the way to go and that the other three towns are negotiating away from that And so that's where that the difference in opinions is coming from Mr. Deming Yeah, so I don't have one solution that I think Um, we should vote on right now. We obviously will have to vote in a couple weeks. Um My my point of view from a regional school committee perspective the way I approach this topic is Is I kind of take my amherst resident hat off a little bit and I say my obligation is to Find a way for the four towns to support a budget for next fiscal year And so that's really the only lens that I'm evaluating these options for which which which are the colors Which are the many multiple rainbow colors has the greatest chance of achieving Consensus, right? It might not be 50 chance. But which but which which are these slices Has the greatest chance of of of getting passed at all four Towns and right now it doesn't seem like there's anything outside of the 55 65 or maybe it's 60 That that is going to do that and that that's where I think that comes down. Um Uh, so I kind of take it's not that I don't respect what Members of my town are saying about what they prefer and it's not that I don't have my own personal opinion About what I think is fair Um, but I just I sort of have to shelf that I at least that's the way I approach this topic You know the other thing that that that relates to the to the previous thing of Hey, shouldn't we kind of figure out a long-term solution to this is that I do think If if we are you know now openly talking about you know potential existential threats to the region Because that's what this is right if we If we if we fail a budget and we go to 1 12th And then you know the grumblings and rumors of breaking up the region really bubble to the surface and people start you know, then the region could break up and um I'm it's not on the agenda. So I'm not going to talk about it one way or the other but I feel like um, I feel like again just with the regional school committee hat on the responsibility is to say regional school committee takes ownership of this conversation And acknowledges those things that we have now worked towards which is not everybody is ever going to agree on what's fair And we can't keep doing this forever. Therefore. What is the best shot consensus for the future? That's probably not something that we can cook up in two weeks the long-term solution to assessment method um But but maybe we can cook up some kind of a statement or commitment or declaration of regional school committee ownership to solve To doing our best shot at solving the problem in relatively short order um, you know spring ish spring slaps some summer ish, but I think absent that you're going to get Four fiefdoms that are all have very legitimate Points of view about what is fair and and and never one Central force driving them forward because that's what I think is really lacking right now There is no one central force that is moving that conversation. We just sort of Lurch reactionary wise, um budget to budget Um, so it'll be a hard conversation Next week to try and pick what the most likely Slice of color is that's going to achieve consensus but um, I think we could increase the percent chance that it gets received favorably if if if we combine it with some kind of a Of a statement or a declaration or commitment on our part to to also be practically solving the long-term problem I um personally share sort of that perspective of of um Taking my amherst hat off. I mean I come to it from amherst obviously that um But thinking about my role as a regional school committee member And advocating for the regional school district and so thinking through what's the best outcome Or most likely to pass outcome that we can strive for I at this hour, um I I don't have an answer or perspective on that. I don't think I could answer that if you asked me so I um Uh, we'll we'll come back to that. Um, two weeks will be voting on On the budget and the assessment method in two weeks. Um, I think the um Best we can do is to try to Collect with this new information. I mean we didn't we weren't able to see this Until tonight. It's good Great that we have like the most up-to-date information But I don't think that we've been able to sit with it either on terms of what those different assessment methods mean um Just trying to think um Do we have that discussion next week or do we have to come into next week meeting and knowing exactly what that assessment method is We can have that discussion. Yeah. No, I mean, I think we'll have we can have multiple, you know Doug can have multiple motions for your consideration So that you can choose the one you want. I think that would be that'd be okay. I'm looking at Yeah, absolutely. So if we're going to use some sort of, you know of the Um percentage based statutory, you know, we can leave the percentages, you know unknown and you can fill in the blank as it were Um in the motion language, but obviously there there are other options available so we can we'll bring um A few different choices for you to to uh to review and and vote on Yeah, and I think that might be helpful is also the sort of Each of these rainbow charts is is helpful to sort of see the different Um operating budget assumptions and what that what how that water calls to the assessment method But if if what you're recommending on version a is the 55 method and on version b the 65 Method might be helpful to have a slide that sort of puts just those to all those columns um Next to each other so we can eyeball them easily without you asking you to go back and forth for these slides um Ms. Dancer you had your hand up um So are we going to get a copy of what you've shown us tonight the version a and the version b and and actually when we get to the Agenda planning I would like to request that we deal with the budget before we deal with other items because this The stuff about the high school is going to be ongoing and this we have to do And I'd like my brain to be as clear as it can be when we're talking about this next time I think that's a reasonable request Ms. Seager I'm very much interested in what mr. Demling talked about earlier about Having some sort of statement of commitment to looking at these methods. I think that would go a long way especially in in leverant to To help go through this budget season. I mean, I'm hopeful that it'll go a long way And I hear you both when you're talking about having your regional cap on and my focus sitting here is what's best for the students Knowing too that when I go to town meeting and the finance committee and the select board have shared their opinions publicly It can be very challenging So I just want to say too that I'm thinking here like what's best for the students that we pass some numbers Not even worrying about the assessment that we use we've passed numbers. We move this year along and we keep everything functioning But and I think a statement would help too that like yes, we as a committee are going to focus on this problem The larger problem. Yep Not seeing more hands. So I'm sensing agreement on that on that approach and we can sort of Also be prepared with what that statement address what that statement looks like when we come back to it into Dr. Slatter Just before you shift agenda topics There is another piece too Are the budget you have to prove in a couple weeks and that's capital So I just want to mention it and and you know, it's to your you It's your decision as to how level of what level of detail we go into but that What I will say to you is that the section of this presentation that's in your packet didn't change in You know the afternoon This afternoon I should say but it did change previous from the previous one that I We looked at a week or two ago. I've lost track of the dates. I think a week ago. I had something or two weeks ago We had Discussed capital a little bit and and what's in your packet is slightly different. We've refined it a bit more um, and so that that will be worth Going into a little bit more detail perhaps in two weeks or tonight, whichever you choose But I didn't want to note that before before we potentially moved on to to your your next topics Think potentially In two weeks would be Better for us to come back at that because we're pushing 10 o'clock and no absolutely and and I think you know It didn't change drastically from what you saw before But it is uh, it is worth, you know, taking a review and thinking about the questions you might have about it And then we can we can probably deal with it next next time for sure Great Are folks okay with that plan? Yeah, okay Great, thank you um, so we have I'm just going to ask the question. Um, I think Please next um the next item can be quit, but I'm just and yeah, okay, so let's just keep going Next item is school choice vote Yeah, so recommended the last meeting given how much school choice Income we're using which, you know, hopefully, you know, as dr. Salter said, we're trying to reduce that but that's the reality That when there are open seats, um That we accept school limited number of school choice students I will say that because the our Enrollment is fluctuated so much in the last year It's probably going to be a relatively late decision to accept choice students I don't think we'll be accepting choice students In the month of june for instance because we won't be certain of what our Enrollment numbers will look like but once we get to august and we have more clarity If there are empty seats, I think it will help financially and choice students as we've talked about multiple times bring A lot of other perspectives that we really value to our school districts so the recommendation would be to Continue or to be a school choice school district for the 2021-2020 school year and that's all I have to say unless there's further questions on that Is there a specific um Way that that motion has to be worded So I think any committee member could move that the Amherst Pellum regional school district Except school choice students in the 2021-2022 school year I Move that the Amherst Pellum regional school district accept school choice students for the 21-22 school year second Kenny is there any discussion Seeing none, so we'll move to a roll call vote Mr. Demling Demling I Mr. Harrington Harrington I Miss Kenny Kenny I Miss Lord Lord I Miss Beeger Seeger I Miss Spitzer Spitzer I Miss Dancer Answer I Mr. Sullivan Sullivan I And McDonald's I The motion passes unanimous 9-0. Thank you Um, and now we have a future agenda planning um And our handy dandy planner document is in our packet I think page 78 I'm in the packet um Our next meeting as we mentioned a few times is the 23rd. So two weeks from tonight. So we have um our budget and budget and assessment method vote which will include capital Questions and discussion on capital and vote Um and permanent stanzas request. We'll start with that um We'll have an update on the high school um Planning for a full in-person return Um, we also have spring season athletics Because that season will be starting while we are still in full remote. Um, it will require us to weigh in on that um, and then TBD Um is a c-pack annual report presentation. So I don't know if Mr. Demling, you're the rep. I don't know if you have Uh any insight as to whether they will be ready for that kind I don't I think they were flexible based on our requirement. Okay So I will um kind of back with them. Are there Uh other topics Mr. Demling So Dr. Morris middle school return of in-person. Um, that was obviously affected by the desi guidance today And I hear you on the high school team needing two weeks I just I have to ask about Both urgency. Um, but so but I'm wondering if is it a different answer for middle school because we do have a time and date certain Both in our school committee plan in in the desi um edict For seventh and eighth About when that has to happen for middle school and in middle school while not as simple as elementary is less complicated than the high school So is is there Does it make sense to break that up and start talking about seventh and eighth next week? Or is I'm just I'm thinking about the community And their anxiousness even though, you know Sometimes we have it's a reality of of how many weeks we're going to wait and then having everything all at the same time Yeah, I mean my preference is for both for summit academy middle school and high school to come back in two weeks So the middle school's in the same boat as as many of you know, there was a server that went out yesterday asking for family Input about returning for a hybrid model that they were developing and then this happened today And so I do think I want to give principal sharon and and the staff who is working with Who had a detour Significant detour they actually were meeting today at 2 30 and and you know had to go Think about what they were going to do in this different scenario The other thing is there's a lot of shared staff between the middle school high school and summit academy So we can think of these three schools as independent but the reality is We can't really think of them independent. They're going to share bus routes. They're going to share They've shared staffing so anything one school does has implications for the other school. So My preference is to come back in two weeks. We also have an amorce meeting next week where we have a really healthy agenda There's a Pella meeting on Thursday night and at some point just capacity wise just to be really candid, you know What you're going to hear is not very satisfying if we have meetings every other day It just because we will be planning for school can be means not doing the work or doing the work and not planning for school Can be meetings and I'd like to keep that balance healthy. I know that's hard to keep that Yeah, the desi thing's not a small thing, but but I also we have a budget hearing in amorce next week You know, we have a lot of things that we have to do and palms voting on a budget on Thursday So I think when you just look at the full constellation I might rather this is usually against my constitution But I'd rather have a pretty long meeting two weeks from now than having a less satisfactory meeting Tuesday and Thursday of next week, you know, just the balance is tough and you know, three districts doesn't always make sense And this is one of those moments where, you know, we have a lot of competing interests in each of our three districts So, you know, it's all right with the committee. I'd prefer to bring all those the amor the amorce Agenda next week is pretty Healthy is a good word, but it's pretty pretty long and deep and it's going to be um another night like um tonight, so I would I'm love to add another meaty meaty topic that needs helpful attention onto that night. Um So, okay, so middle school and high school full in person and summit full in person learning Plan for the 23rd anything else it's a pretty pretty pretty full agenda Few but one key topics, um an important topic miss dancer What is you said, um budget and capital and then the return there was something after that that you mentioned also Spring season athletics, thanks. Thank you Our fourth our fourth season Okay great, um I just have one warrant So, um, I authorized by my signature the payables the amount of three hundred nine thousand two hundred nineteen dollars and thirty seven cents for the warrant dated March 3rd, 2021. This included general fund expenses of two hundred fifty seven thousand two hundred forty nine dollars and eighty three cents revolving fund expenses of ten thousand dollars Ten thousand nine hundred three dollars and forty one cents and grant fund expenses of thirty thousand three hundred fifty one dollars and sixty cents and other funds in the amount of Ten thousand seven hundred fourteen dollars fifty three cents for capital and I signed this on march 4th, 2021 Thank you Um, next we have gifts and I don't believe we have any in our packets. So, um move on to our final item Um, I will move to adjourn the um regional school committee. Is there a second? Second Move on McDonald seconded by stancer Um, and there's no discussion. Mr. Dimley Dimley I Mr. Harrington Here and can I Miss Kenny Kenny I Miss Lord Lord I Miss Seeger Seeger I Miss Spitzer Spitzer I Miss Dancer Stancer I Mr. Sullivan Sullivan I McDonald I We are adjourned Thank you everyone


The 2020-21 season countdown is brought to you by Odds Checker, your one-stop betting hub. Welcome to Toffy TV, it is the footy show daily here to keep you up to date with all the news, the breaking news sometimes. There are just two days to go to the retain of the Premier League season. We would like to say thank you to Odds Checker for sponsoring our 2020-21 season countdown. Odds Checker is the one-stop betting hub where you can go on there, check all the odds from all the leading bookmakers, but also bet through the app as well. It's like delivery for betting apps, so make sure you check it out. There is a link in our description. Don't forget you've got to be 18 and you've got to bet responsibly. Let's talk about a player that could be coming back to the Premier League. That man's name is Gareth Bale. Relman did one and gone. They want this fella gone so much that they are apparently prepared to pay half of his wages or a proportion of his wages to get him out. He could be available for as little as £22 million. Can you see anyone in the Premier League going for this? That's not a good start back. Come on. I just can't at the moment because wages are so big. I'm looking at a story here. Relman did laugh to pay up Gareth Bale £60 million contract to get rid of him with a cut price transfer or paid for wages unable to get and they're unable to get united or space to take him at the moment. He's 31, he's on 400 grand a week I think it is. Who's paying even 200 grand a week for a 31-year-old? Do you know what Gareth Bale's biggest problem is? He's got no commercial sellability at all and I don't even know that I've heard. He's got nothing. He's got no appeal as he. Wales is a lovely, lovely country but they're all buying Gareth Bale. Even if they'd all buy Gareth Bale's shares it still wouldn't be enough. That is his biggest problem.  Let's never forget that but he's not got any kind of commercial appeal. That would mean that clubs around the world are lining up just because they think we can sell shares off the back of his name. It's all about football which is what it should be about of course. But to justify those wages you need that and he hasn't got any of that and as you just said it means it's a real struggle. It's just stuck there. He has done fantastic for them. He's won champions leagues with them. He scored a lot of goals. Obviously there's an issue with him in Zidane quite clearly and it's who takes him and that's the issue with him coming back to the Premier League. Liverpool hang on a touch him, City hang on a touch him so there's the top two out the way. Chelsea not a construct in a different type of squad. United. There was a time it looked like he might go to United but it's Salsha really, the United really won a 31-year-old. The hagel on over Sanchill? The Sanchill is the one they want. They've also got Greenwood, Martial and Rashford who are young players. Dan James is there with a poor age of another four of a player. They want Sanchill, they don't. At this stage it looks unlikely they're going to look bad. We've said this haven't we? Recently the game has completely changed now. The days of anyone over 20, 27, 28 getting a real long-time brilliant contract are gone. Football clubs now have just completely switched on to the fact of selling value and all this now, the money ball situation.   You know we've seen it. Wilford to Haar's the big one here isn't he? He signed that contract because it was like well this will look after the club because we'll get a nice big offer for him and this will look after you because you get wages and the summer after there was no takers for him. The author asked him if I'm going to pay the money and asked him like no. Then they thought if I'm going to pay the money and if I'm like we'll go to 50. And now two summers later it's Haar's desperate to get out. No one wants to pay the money and two years of his age now is gone as well so the idea of anyone coming in for them is mad. Let me just throw some of the, so Tottenham is still 5-2 but I think that's wishful thinking. Man United are 10-1. Any MLS team 20-1. Now I just think no one in MLS is going there because of the commercial. It's not like there's a club in the middle of a big Welsh area of America. You can understand when they go like say like Galaxy go for the Chicharito, Mexican huge appeal. You can understand that. Or Wayne Rooney going to DC United. Huge pull of it being Wayne Rooney. But even that wouldn't mean anywhere near his wages. There's no way any MLS team is going to go after them. Chinese Super League 25-1. Well I thought the Chinese Super League had been rolled back so they couldn't bring them in. They believe they wanted them last year and Ryan Madrid pulled the thing on them. Paris Saint-Germain 25-1. Juventus 33-1.  And then there's a few Premier League teams. Everton Arsenal, Fulham 33-1. Well that's not happening for any of them. Everton Arsenal certainly aren't paying the Fulham, couldn't justify it. Now he's stuck. Unless Ryan Madrid turned on, but then he would want the money. He said he's quite happy to sit there for two years. Or if you read between the lines. He's happy to just sit on his country. If Ryan Madrid went, will give you nothing. You can go for nothing just to go. And then he renegotiated a deal with a club. Someone might pay him underground a week to take a chance. Someone over 31. But no-one's paying him 200, 250 at the moment. And no-one's saying it. But I don't think at this moment people are paying 22, 23 million for them. And then giving them 200 land a week or whatever. Just don't say it. But you never thought he's mad that it could quite happen. It looks unlikely at this moment in time. The last year or so was Korea's just going nowhere is it? Sitting on a bench. You see what happens with Gareth Bett. What else is going on? Danny Drinkwater's revealed he's seen a sports psychologist in a bid to jump start his career. He's 30. No, he hasn't played footy for a couple of years. Went to Burnley. Again another one. You know he was on. Went to Villar and had buttered jotter, didn't he? So that was the end of that. He'd had problems with Burnley. So he's another one. He's on 100 and had a 10 grand a week. Hasn't played for a couple of seasons. Needs to get that sorted. McTeebatch, who are you? Excuse me. Looks like he's going to go to Crystal Palace on loan. He's used there a couple of seasons ago, wasn't he? Another one. Chelsea bought him for 33 million in 2016. Not there he's done anything as he's someone with a lot of promise. But I think he's 26, 27 now. Just feels like... Do you think that sort of... Do you think we're coming to a point now where players are going to start realising that going to big clubs who love stockpile and players, you know, is coming to an end? Do you think players are going to start? Cos there's two players there. Danny's in quarter and Battershire. They both went to Chelsea, right? And they've done very, very little loans and all the rest. Battershire had gone for another loan with Crystal Palace. Tinkwater doesn't know where is Chris going. Tinkwater's 30. He left the Champions of England at the time to go to Chelsea. He's done nothing. He's got loads of money. But it's Chris nearly done. Chris nearly over. Do you think now we could get a rebalancing where players start going, well, you know what, actually I'll go somewhere when I know I've got a position. I know I'm going to play. I know I'm going to be in the manager's thoughts all the time. Or do you think footballers are going to continue to be greedy? It comes down to that, doesn't it?  That's why a lot of them go. They'll be thinking, yeah, but I can get in and if I do it there, I'm made. The reality is a lot of these places where they're going, history tells you that. They don't give you that chance unless you're the top draw. Danny, Tinkwater had gone in. You know, Canty went there and Tinkwater was going in. It was going to be Canty and Tinkwater. But the reality was it wasn't. It was going to be Canty cos he was brilliant. Tinkwater was more of a squad shining and to come in and do your job. Do you want that? We are seeing some players pull back from these clubs. Look at Phil Catinoff arguing and saying he was doing well at Liverpool. Went to Barcer.  He's going to be unbelievable there now. He's another one that's been offered around every bit because he's gone to buy in. They don't want to pay the money even though he's come on and was brilliant in the Champions League for them. They don't want to pay the money. Barcer.  He doesn't do that. Then where does he go? He's been linked with Arsenal. He was linked with Newcastle when there was an alleged takeover. So, he's another one. He's gone for big. Now, he's a little bit different cos I feel as though Barcer put that much money into him. It looked as though he was going to be a key player for them. But other players who you see go to these clubs, I think footballers have got to be very careful. I think now when you're looking at these super clubs and going, am I going to play? If you're not that bothered, if you just want to be part of the squad and the squad play, then fair enough, keep doing it. But we have seen some players who were having good careers and doing well, moved to these places. I look like a K2 me. I know he was at Chelsea so slightly different, but I just think he's another one where you don't, he's 25 to anything. You're not sure whether he's there number one yet still. He creates, he creates, going out and away, like Tomory who can link with Everton. He's 23 in December. I've seen him on the Tottenham documentary with Harry Kane saying I'm 27 and I'm coming to the latter. You break in and then it takes, you know. He said it goes so quick. He's like I'm 27 now. I'm making the final contract. Danny Rose is like I'm nearly 30. You create does go quickly and I just think too many players. Listen, I wouldn't do the same and you wouldn't do the same, but it depends on what you create means to you. If you're looking and going, if you're, you know, I don't know, with Charles and doing well I'd have a barcim won't you? Rather than, and it should be fair he has referenced this, but rather than just going, it's a barcim, I'm going, whatever. Look and go, whoever it may be and think, am I really going to be guaranteed games at that club? Am I playing there? But then again I suppose on the flip side they'll think well there is a showcase, am I ever going to get the chance again to sign for that club? So suppose that's the thing isn't it? It is, that's the trade-off isn't it, but Ronald Coomyn just talking about his job obviously is a lot easier now, the line of message agreed to stay, but he's still got a couple of areas he needs to sort out, centre back. You know, this graphic that's shown when Alden, far as I'm aware he hasn't signed for it, but today there's another space on the other side, you see that's where I'd have Catino on it. Athletic Home Madrid turned on a £46 million bid from Yve for Alvaro Morata, so you obviously spent some time at Yve for years or so. See that's what makes me think they might actually go for bail though, when you're throwing bids like that in for... Morata's like 27 now isn't he? Yeah, but then again they have to... Is the swirer's deal off? I don't know, I don't know because it doesn't look like... But he's waiting for Barcelona to pay a loyalty payment to have something like £30 million or £25 million or something I think before he signs for Yve, so whether that's in an attempt to force Barcelona's answer, we're going for Morata then. Of course, I don't know, who knows. Bielce has confirmed he's staying as manager of Leeds this season, he hasn't committed up until the other week. I don't know. He hasn't signed, and the other, I guess there are two big things coming out of it. One, Patech Emmerich Abamiang is about to sign a three year deal according to reports. He'll make him the highest paid ever Arsenal player, he'll be on, looks like 400 grand a week to stay at Arsenal which is an incredible amount of money. Tottenham's request to have 8,000 fans in the stadium for the Everton game this weekend is rejected by the government. Six people can't be together or seven people can't. Exactly, and it's cases are going up and all that. I personally, I don't see us backing stadiums for a while. That's about it. Troidini, looks like he's leaving Wafford. It might be a year loan somewhere. He wants to play in the Premier League, State 82. This is a lad who does obviously want to play football, but he wants to be in the Premier League. Wafford won't stand in the way, West Brom have been linked. Being just now, wouldn't it have he went on loan to West Brom for a year and then Wafford got promoted and then he went back to Wafford to play. Very unique, but I guess if he went to West Brom and kept them up, then they'd see it as well worth it, well worth it, wouldn't they? Premier League experience, Disney's a handful. Interest in that, is that an interest in one, isn't it? Any more news appearing, Ralph Hassell looking once new players. He's desperate for new players here after Emile Dennis from Club Blues, who's a striker. We've got a couple he can have. Wesley Huit thereafter? Hardly, yeah. Wesley Huit going to Belgium. Wesley Huit going to Belgium, sorry. He's going to Belgium a couple of years ago. So he could be on his way out, sorry. So yeah, cos you're right. They brought the centre back in, didn't they, from Spain? Early on. Early on. Obviously Hoy Beig's left. So obviously they want to build on a really good season last season, good end to the season. Wasn't good early on, obviously. No, no. Great second half of the season. A season very well though, didn't he?  But like, you know, they do need new players. Obviously they've built in Walker Peters and Mohammed Salasub, the left footed centre back from Ballard. There's a fall of the little thing. You've been with a couple of teams. So they've showed that up, but they are still a couple. They've obviously lost, Hoy Beig. Do you go? Two days to go till Premier League football returns, don't forget. Make sure, if you want to, you download the oddschecheche app. The link is in our description. Don't forget, you've got to be 18. 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So welcome and good morning Today, I'd like to talk to you about Collin and Bravo Milo the LinkedIn heroes this talk will be mostly about Maintaining containers and making sure that they are following the best practices So let's start with the most important thing and that is why should we care? and that's best practices There are a lot of a lot of rules and practices that you should follow or you want to follow most of them that are written for example in Docker documentation There are something like your Docker files should contain from instruction should have a base image or There should be made to maintain your labor label and and so on so these are some some rules If you maintain Fedora containers, you should follow Fedora guidelines so there's another set of rules and also You you need to make sure that your containers are healthy so you need to take care that you your containers doesn't drink up too much memory or resources and You should not put secrets in your containers So as a container maintainer you might have a lot of things you have to have to think about and it might be hard for you if I have tense images To keep track of every one of them if they are nice or or not So that's why we at Redhead in your space containerization team We were thinking how to make it less painful how to how to improve the experience in maintaining containers and We were thinking about some some tool that would cover some part of the of their walls so what we needed was container linter and We created Collin so let me introduce to you Collin Collin is is a tool that is covering the So it is covering the best practices that are in Fedora or they are common for all images So it has a really nice CLI. I will show it to you in a demo It is it's just light white. It has some important things and it's really easy to use If you want Collin to be used in a CI and you like Python you can use Python API And as I said Colin Collin in its core contains rules for Fedora and for own images but in my opinion the strongest thing about Colin is that You can create your custom rule sets your custom set of rules that you want to apply for for a group of images if you have Some distribution or if you have a team You can you can create or your own rule set and like Run it against it run your containers against the rules that We at redhead we for example have two another rule sets one is for the best practices and it's run on thousands tons of thousands of images and another is It's smaller and it is actually gating some of the images So that's why we can do with that and I was talking about images, but Colin can also Lint Docker files and OS 3 Okay, so I was talking about rules and it might be not clear what is what is rule What is check when you when you talk with about in a calling namespace? so check is a Python Python class implementing the logic and it actually is the place where you Run the potman binary or or API It's the place where you run Docker file parser to to see the labels and so on and so on So that's it with the Python class. You also have metadata There's a description reference URL the URL should Point to the for example the federal guidelines or or the documentation the source where where the where the common rule is Is described and also some tax you can take your your Check that if it is required or optional for which target it is it can be used and so Okay, so we have the checks But we need to specify that I have for example the Fedora what checks are applied to Fedora and So so you create a rule set rule set is adjacent or YAML image. You can choose. It's really easy to use easy to write and you can There are some that there's the checks, but you may have some additional things that are not in a check you have a check that is checking check maintenance label and Default by default it is not required for example and You might want to make it required so you can add some additional data to the to the check so these are rule sets so I Maybe I'm boring you so I will now create a no Do a demo to show you Then I'm not lying Okay, so let's see the health health page first These are the things that you can do with Colin the check itself List some the information. So let's see No No Okay, as I said, there's Fedora and default rule set and let's see what is in the Fedora rule set how it looks like What did I do say, okay, this is it This is the rule set as I as I said, it's Jason file. There these are the names are the the pointers But they reference the the check which is in Python code So all these are optional in Fedora These checks maintain your label name label these are actually required in Fedora These three are required and applicable only to the profiles and so on so so But if you want to see how it looks like the check itself with the rule set and what's the what's the output We can list the checks Yes, and I didn't didn't add the the parameter that is for Fedora rule set. So now we see defaults checks And Actually, they point to Fedora guidelines And the docker docker Documentation, let's see if it's correct. Okay, here you can see that Yes, there are some labels some optional some required and You can believe that Collin is Telling the truth if I want to see checks for Fedora These are here Did the set is bigger? Larger yes, so let's see how it works Maybe you may notice that we use Podman not the docker file and if you want to know the reasons You can check the presentation from yesterday's about podman Yes, that should be explained explained there nicely. So we like podman now and So but I personally use docker now because I'm used to it. So I have some images and I want to these are local. They are not in on in docker hub yet But I want to make sure that they are okay. So Everyone calling Yes, and actually it is not found and that's because it should be in podman and And Yes, and we can see that who is not there, but the Stravomil is there So we can run check against drama milk first. First of all, I'd like to show how to how to Move image from docker to podman So you can use it? This is how we do it. I Hopefully did it yesterday. Yes, I did and okay It would to take longer if it wasn't done so let's make the Check out against drama milk. Okay, and we can see that it's not not so good There are some missing things But yes, they are failed failing, but I don't know why and I don't know why should I care so I can run it in verbose mode and And see the the the description some some some words about why is this important reference and Some logs from that that may be maybe present for example in this help file You can have help that one or read me MD. They are both no present So This was checking the images, but we can check also docker files Yes, and This is checking the docker files. You can see that the checks are not the same There are more checks for docker file for example, and they are a bit different than there is there is no Check for help page. You can you can see it yourself and I was I was talking about the Python API so calling can be run easily There this is this is the simpler one method just you call and then you get the result and you can take a pretty string from it or or Jason and do whatever it in it and This the last part of the demo is used by another hero and That is That is drama milk Okay So drama milk is a container that in its core contains Collin and it adds some and other things that Might be important. There are more is a member of our user confirm bot family and These these these bots are are there for you to to do the things you would do manually otherwise, so it should it should It should act a little bit as a human. That's why it has a human name and Well, what it does when there is a new new pull request on the on github drama milk will see that and It will trigger the calling runs and report the results in the pull request command So that's it. We have actually internal version of drama mail that is That that is doing so that has and other things in it Added so it can do blacklisting. It can do sending emails or sending messages to some message bus But Okay but moment at the moment we have open source only a smart part part of drama mail and it is not running anywhere as a service So it actually needs a lot of love So if you if you have the energy and if motivation you we are welcome to contribute It should be really easy because it's in python and and there are so many ways to improve that so What is there is that the drama mail runs in Open shift and is using salary for for for the triggering and for for recording the task it has to be used with who and who is actually another boat which is responsible responsible for for Listening to the events that are happening in the infrastructure and when some event happens who can catch that and run a trigger for force them send the task for drama and also Uho doesn't work only with drama mail, but it can trigger all sorts of boats so if you want to create your own boats you can use uho and It will it will work nicely actually yesterday. I was looking at our internal uho and I was I Found out that two months. Nobody touched it and it works. Okay, so that's how it should be um, okay, so enough talk Let's have another demo So let's see the uho and drama mail in action This is how the configuration looks like the first one is the topic on that message And the second one is the name of the salary task that should be triggered on the event on the topic So let's start it. It was pre-built. So now it's just listening to github and let's hope it will work the Okay So this is the drama meal and let's have some pull request for example in this in this repository and maybe notice that there was also to pick that Uho catches and it's pull request comment. So let's comment Okay, so Uho received the task it sent a task to drive a meal Drive a meal is actually already finished with the results Yes, so nobody but nobody looks at these locks. Let's see how it looks like in the in the pull request and yes, just few seconds and we have We have the results in past been So it's really usable a usable light white But I have written in the slides that you know just who hone it's to listen to fed message and Github by default doesn't send out events to fed message So you need to configure your repository to to make this for you. It is a web hook so It's done in in the settings But books and you can see that we have the github to fed message Web hook. You see this is how it looks like These are all the events that were sent It's really nice Okay, so that that should be all so I hope you liked it, so This is the here is now is the place for questions. Do you have any questions? Okay, there was a questions. What other other bots are members of the bot family and we actually have we actually have Solania, Solania is responsible for push automatic Automatic triggering of first crash builds on pull request So you can actually ride the wait see that the builds Passes or not even before pushing to this gate. We have Solania also does mass builds before updates Solania does builds automatic builds after Pushing to this github after the actual changes is there We have also Ferdinand that is responsible for updating back Zilla and responsible for updating The error Yes, I think I think they are all are there any other yes, no, okay, so this is it Yeah, and I think I forgotten I forgotten one thing and it's actually I've written in in the expected Questions and that's it that Collin is not a testing interface That's that's really really important if you want To test your images you can use Kono by test everything you need But there's a lot of things Collin should be runnable against a large group of images So that's what I wanted to say. Okay. Are there any other questions? Yes, right now only. Oh, yes. So the question was if Solania can do scratch builds on on rpms Or or just for containers the truth is that right now it can do scratch builds only with Containers, but we hope it will it will be in the future possible to do it also with rpms. Maybe Okay, another question Okay, if there are no questions now, but if you have the questions in the future you can definitely Create an issue in one of those repositories or even better. You can contribute. It's really really welcomed so Thank you for all your attention And have a nice day


Well that's a very pretty block like that, isn't it, got a tenon and it's tough going because these things are tight. I'll just show you these little rascals, these are the fifth brick, I don't know what the name is for them but they replace the line cup on the on the black profiles and then we're doing that height over and so we need to come up about a foot so we can look over go to Friday morning five to nine on the ninth of June and it's another glorious day solid sunshine for a long time now so new job well it's a new job but we've between jobs we've we've just left the block extension to come and do this and then we're going back to that one because that one so here we go this is our entrance there's our trestle when we're ready our wheel bar because that's irrelevant down here as you can see it gets a bit narrow here this is our job existing conservatory she's getting taken up another four courses luckily because we work for a great lad's called viking Sean who you've seen viking a lot of very old video they brought everything around for us so we've so there's no messing around getting stuff passed all this and this is the job basically it's just bringing everything up going a bit higher with that fixed to this out here and then cut it back there so it's going to be a two brick pillar all the way up same this side take this side all the way up basically it's a mirror image it so it's two high walls big I think they're probably by folds and again two brick pillar so um Alex just put the starter packs up on there I need to cut back this return because that's going to be a cavity running through now that's the brick we're used to stop there so we're going to return that now and get rid of this straightforward profiles straight on got a good brick match considering them these Cheshire pre-wars were discontinued a while ago look at them and then there's our bricks so there's our sand cement's behind there for some reason they sent bloody seven newton concrete blocks which we didn't ask for and then high strength cement don't know why they sent that that's going to be all right I might have to mix that a bit weaker um there's the rest of cement hopefully you can hear me over Alex drilling because I've got the mic on um I think that's our padstones and then as you can see a couple of steels here with all the holes drilled in and bolts I don't know these must be shims I don't know but anyway they are going in there so we're going to get the shell up and then we're going to get the steels in so all this is coming out and then eventually there's going to be a steel going on this wall across onto this steel and then another steel coming off this steel across there to get rid of this corner and open this out and this obviously is going to be a structurally easy job because you've got the stairs there so those stairs are going to go up onto a trimmer so this is all going to be looking at so it's like I say it's nine o'clock we've had a good touch up with Vic get our bearings see what's what um hang on a minute bear with me a second safety first yeah that's it so it's going to be going off in a bit which is good and we're going to get cracking so um as always I'll stick on the timelapse for a little bit while we get organized and then we'll get back to you later on right um I'm probably just going to put that on the timelapse we've got the laser level set up there and where that line strikes onto the wall there it's still on the patio door there just make it out there in the patio door that is 88mm above that finished height so that's the height we're working to so when you swing the laser over to here there's our laser line so we come 88mm below that 88mm that is level with that so that's our date to work off so what we do now is we measure from that down to that Alex can you just count how many courses are from the dwarf wall to the top of the wall please see the dwarf wall start on the top of that top that one now count how many above it okay so that back down to dwarf wall is 15 93 so can you hold that on chilly yeah this is windy isn't it Alex's t-shirt's back on because he's cold soon won't we start moving the bricks over here especially around that back where it's for the air we do put a couple of blocks down on the floor you know so the bricks onto so that on the floor yeah I'll need to hold camera needs a camera system 15 93 let me just double check that for one time ago hey for one time ago I've already gone the wrong way I went up 28 so the down 88 so 15 93 so that we're fixed there we've got that and we've got that so 15 93 divided by 19 courses 19 of course that's our gauge 83.8 per course which is for these bricks type beds because they're solid I was set these 85 when I'm just building something but we've got to follow what's here so eight so almost 84 per course so then now we go down there and mark our gauge back down to the and then I'll just mark I'll just swing the laser level and put a mark on our profile and that's it then I think yeah profile's high enough so what we do is we're leveling up to that before we put the steels in because then we put the steels on the wall and then steels in and extra four courses and then some brickwork around on the front so I don't think we've got any tape in there haven't we tape the best remark in the profile right I can just spin that laser level out please which is there so pencil marks don't show up very well on these old profiles so bit of tape bit of masking tape that's all we need as long as it sticks so that's our level line round now that is to mill out that's good news and then then I'll just check that in now operation is key I'm going to swivel the base round so everything's level happy days I've got 88 there 88 there that's measured that's measured in mark so that's our gauge so it's and the gauge is 83.8 per course that's a close one nearly had no sound then hopefully you're picking me up and not the mixer which isn't that loud anymore because we've since a fixed it but yeah this we're up to one two three four five six seven two four six eight got ten on and it's tough going because these things are tight extra dry motor's drying out quick let me just show you how dry these brick are dunk it in so that's what it does to your motor basically so you've got to be quick so it's tight beds you're spreading the tight bed and as you spread the tight bed the brick sucks the motor out of it so you've got to get them down as quick as you can otherwise leave it too long and you're banging them down so that's that's um that's what we're up to now two brick with pillar each side return and we've got all the block work to do Scott Mills is on so it's after two but after well yeah so we're going to crack on get these precise we can reach and then drop on the block work hopefully basically to get us in the position to get trestles up tomorrow tomorrow being a Saturday I'm just show you these little rascals these are the fifth brick I don't know I don't know what the name is for them but they replace the line clip on the on the blicks profiles and then you can see there the brick actually fits into the slot so you can't push your brick past the line which you can do with the line clicks so it's it's like it's foolproof if you like so it's good for us speaking of fools I tried using them once and I couldn't get the line worked out properly so I just abandoned them and then I got a message off Richard to say what do I think of them if last night in fact so I said right next time on the profiles I give them a try so I've got them set up with a little heart from a Charlie Cohnson video and they did work great made up with them I recommend you get yourself a set of these so mixer's ready get these two on here and get the line up crack on I've got a few cuts to do we'll probably use a cutter for that we'll see we'll see how my Alex is going to try and do some with the arm and bolster so we keep shifting the board around trying to keep them in the shade see that one over there so that's enough waffle let's get some more brick work done well that's a very pretty block like that isn't it the the concrete block but they're much lighter than the standard ones so much nicer to work with and uh make a nice finish as well if you hope for wallpaper I think they're called rain for things you like to think it's all like that things you like so they're lightweight seven inches and they really are lightweight oh yeah they're much much better than those ones you have to bloody it's so so square and uniform properly all the same size well have a look for yourself get that so that is all done for today it's about just on five so keep seeing so again but now I've lost my trail of thought so yeah that'll be us for today tomorrow we'll get trestles up and then get all this up to steel height well there's no steel and this is the steel it's going here sorry it's going to be steel height though it's going to be the same yeah and yeah well we can done I've completely lost my brain for this out of trouble so I'll just I'll see you tomorrow good Saturday morning Saturday the 10th of June yeah why'd you get me coming out when you check your watch there's yesterday's little bit of brick work we started here and these these are discontinued I'm thinking you'd agree they're quite a good match then the excellent match to be honest and they weren't the worst to set either they were tough because they're dry this they're like extra super dry then so you have to join every course and don't forget your perps which we did but we'll get down we point the profiles yeah so yeah we've got up to we've got um we've put on it 12 2 4 6 8 10 you've got 12 on we're going to get another 11 on today there's the block work then blocks lovely I think they're the rainford things you like ones the seven newton but they're quite they're quite light look at that look how tidy they are lovely straight blocks um yeah so normally we'd put the trestles up on the inside now work overhand but because we can fit the trestles down here we're going to get the 11 off here because these these are difficult to do overhand the um they are different sizes luckily the gauge we're following on the extension is not too bad and the bricks the bricks those original bricks are probably about mill or two mil bit deeper than these which gives us oh nice one fits which gives us a good chance to make it look nice it's always easy when you've got a bigger bed to work with so just trying to screw it down so we're going to get these trestles up I'll just kind of finish putting a mix on profiles going up I think I might put the profile up there properly yeah yeah and we're just doing half a mix at a time because we learnt all this in yesterday that it goes a long way and you leave it for like half an hour it's already dried up so we did it in half at a time there's the sun now at what half eight so it goes around there but it just skims the top of the house so we're building in the in the shade but none of this goes into the shade so um there's no skip but vicks taking the stuff away to a skip at his house so we're going to take all the rubbish around and put it in there I think he's took it with tumbag pallet on the front just so vicks not taking all the crap around himself and yeah that's the plan the plan is just concentrate on the brickwork and see how far we get well we're going to get 11 courses on it and then going home with it being saturday so job and knock on the brickwork here we go bricks are on dad's just got a coffee so well I'll get a mix on after break and we'll uh get this blitz so it was lunch time five and a half courses up which we soon we did a like one hour that's not too bad all the faffing around jumping down going back up uh so it's definitely taking shape a bit better so we will catch you all right half one half mixed number two going in let's see what hits a hot one I think today's the day before the thunderstorms it's like we're getting really hot now great for sitting doing nothing not great for working in so um once that mixes you up on that side it's a job and knock so we're just going to get another five and a half courses on that's what the first mix uses isn't it yeah halfway through yeah and then that side squared up now once I've got one more course on that it's all squared up and then leave that side it's getting a bit of a stretch on the tristles on the oppots is it just like three or four courses on top of that there yeah so we're going to take those back up another three so yeah another three on top of that and then that's it we'll take it from there the doors are going to aren't going to have any brickwork over the top because they're going to be very high it's going to have a very high ceiling in it so the brickwork just wraps around to the doors each side which is good no steel and no brickwork over the front uh plenty of bricks left i'm not into these at all there's massive difference in sizes so yeah massive difference in sizes pretty poor quality very thirsty and hard to work with basically maybe on a rough or wall but not on a on a like a an extension wall but uh close as you can get so tell us let's shut up and put this there we go we think that's the height but we're not positive so i'll just use the motor up on another course on so if we do need to put another course on that all that's just scaffold can be stripped pop a jump up on these four here get those three on if we need to if not we just knock those off simple as just tidying up now i think it's getting on for half three yeah half three bang on yeah well plus a minute so i was getting the tidying up done mix is done um doesn't have to be perfect because we're back on monday as long as we make it tidy for custom getting out with the dog i think that's it everything's covered up for the rate for the thunderstorm tomorrow i'll just need something for the sand don't we we need something for the sand is the tumb bag got anything in it yet the tumb bag got anything in it yet yeah okay scrub that a bit of you know what it's that dry it could do with a bit of water yeah um so that's it good match not the nicest brick to work with but they're not too bad going down obviously they're not supposed to look perfect so you can't get them perfect but quite happy they've turned out that one down there somewhere can you pass me the sweeping brush because the bin the bin's been splashed or cleaned the bin so yeah that's it we're gonna have tomorrow off christine's coming home tonight she's been here since tuesday and uh yeah back on monday monday we're not doing the state we're not doing the brickwork monday we're all coming in concentrating on the steels so that monday tuesday will be the steels then wednesday we'll be finishing everything off getting that up there that'll be scaffolded from this side because the there's no room for the scaffold the trestles over there so the trestle going inside but a bit higher so we can reach over because this is obviously we're doing that height over and so we need to come up about a foot so we can look over so i think it's just tomorrow that's going to be a bit nasty that's why it's warmed up because the thunderstorm's approaching so we'll see you on monday