Well, hi everyone. Thank you for coming to yet another episode of Cube by Example Insider, where we try to interview people who are kind of doing the work in the Kubernetes space. The big reason or my big argument for the show is that, unlike many other kind of proprietary products, if you want to know what's going on in open source, if you ask product management that is often flawed, as we used to say, you don't always get the pizza that you requested because the challenge with open source is that people can, you know, randomly contribute on nights and weekends to get the features they want into the system. So if we talk to the people who are doing the work, then we can say, hey, you know, what are you seeing as the things that are coming up soon? And today we're going to focus on the OCI. And we'll talk more about what that is and everything in a few minutes. But before I do that, I'd like to introduce our guest, Phil Estes. And we may have another surprise guest in a bit. But Phil, do you want to introduce yourself? And oh, actually, before we do that, let me just say my co-host, Savita. Sorry, I forgot to introduce you. And, you know, she'll introduce herself and then maybe hand it to Phil. Thank you, Langdon. Hi, everyone. My name is Savita. And I am a writer for the past two, three years almost. It's coming up. And I've been contributing to Kubernetes community for the past five or six years. I started with documentation. And then I did a bit of release. I was the release team for five releases. And then I found my home with security. So that's where I am right now contributing. And if you want to find me, you can find me in those channels. And I'm also a maintainer for the conveyor project, which is also a CNC of Sandbox project that focuses on application modernization. I think it's enough about me. Now, I'm going to pass it on to our guest, Phil. Thanks. Yeah. Hi, everyone. Phil Estes. I'm a principal engineer at AWS. But more importantly for the show, I've been a long time contributor to the container runtime part of the stack. So a decade ago, for anyone that was at KubeCon, there were a lot of 10-year references, 10 years at Kubernetes, Solomon Hikes talked about 10 years ago building Docker. So yeah, a decade ago got very involved in the Docker runtime project. At the time was at IBM, collaborated a ton with Red Hat folks on the super early days of Docker, and then helping launch the OCI and all the work that I think we'll probably talk about here. And more recently, or at least in that same timeframe, we launched Container D as a sort of vendor neutral, just core runtime that was donated to the CNCF seven years ago now, actually seven years ago this month, and have been a maintainer on that project for the last seven years and watched it grow. And that's sort of my entry point into Kubernetes, because Container D became a popular choice for the runtime underneath Kubernetes. I always feel weird when people invite me to Kubernetes things because I'm not an actual contributor or member of the org, but I'm adjacent to Kubernetes and work a lot with the Kubernetes team. So so yeah, that's me. That's cool. It's yeah, I'll say it was completely planned that it was seven years ago this month that that's why we invited you on the show. Let me ask you first, before we kind of get really into OCI, one of the things we like to ask our guests is, you know, kind of what got you into open source in the first place? You know, what, you know, how did you get pulled into that space? Yeah, no, that's a great question. I'll try and make it brief given my age. But I grew up early in my IBM career. So, you know, graduate college joined IBM worked on proprietary operating system software way down in the in the bowels of IBM, no doing nothing with customers just coding. And, you know, just curious about a lot of things. And this this new operating system Linux started showing up and the internet was kind of new. And so finding information on things was not as easy. But I was taking a master's level course and needed a compiler. And it was super painful to think about buying a compiler just to, you know, do the work for this course. Long story short, I was like, this Linux thing is super easy, download, discuss, install it, you've got free GCC and I can do all the homework. So that kind of got me hooked in general on the concepts around open source software. But it was a very long time before actually contributed. I ended up working for a good while in IBM's Linux Technology Center, which had a ton of collaboration with Red Hat long before the purchase. So I was sort of in the realm of open source, you know, using open source, but it really wasn't till 2013 that I kind of switched roles in IBM, joined the cloud unit that have been looking at passes and, you know, all this sort of exciting new world of cloud technology. And that was happened to be the year that Docker became extremely popular. And IBM said, we need some people to just go figure out this community, go get involved, see what this whole thing's about. And that's when I really just dove in because I, you know, created a GitHub account and figured out, you know, how to create a PR and fix a bug. And I just loved it. Like it just radically changed the trajectory of my career at that point, became a maintainer within a year plus, and got, you know, just very involved in contribution and trying to help figure out, you know, we all know how communities are. They're just slight bit of chaos mixed with some bit of organization. But I loved it. I love the environment. So that's really when I got hooked.  And so the only way you could, you know, find a website was by guessing the name of it. And yeah, so it's been, it's been a big change right over the years. So that's really cool. The, you know, I also remember, you know, kind of getting a slack wear on floppy disks and installing it in the late 90s. And, you know, in a stack of 16, as I recall, to get the operating system installed. And you got to make sure that you set your monitor settings correctly. Otherwise, you could literally lay dead on fire. So yeah, if fun times. So that's cool. It's interesting because I think a lot of the people we normally interview on the show, right, kind of got into open source mostly because they're trying to like scratch their own itch, right. And it sounds more like you were, you were almost like kind of going and trying to almost like build a product, right, or try to go and like, you know, there was a need in this space rather than necessarily something kind of personal that is what brought you there. Does that seem like a yeah, I think that's fair.  But yeah, it was essentially a part of my job that it was, I was asked to go, you know, sort of investigate this, this new technology. And, you know, the cool thing is like I had always worked kind of at the operating system level. And so coming to Docker and realizing that everything they were doing is really built on Linux kernel capabilities, namespaces and C groups and all, you know, it was a good, you know, all of us I assume at some point in your career, you've had a job where it's like, you've kind of learned to turn the crank. And then that's the kind of role I'd been in just before that. And so it was, like I said, it really did change the trajectory of my career, because out of that came a ton of learning and digging in, you know, at a deeper level than I had.  And so I started speaking at conferences and that launched a whole aspect of my career that had never existed. So, but yeah, it all came out of like sort of a, almost like a job, like, go to this out. Right, right. So kind of changing gears a little bit. So I mentioned OCI at the beginning, right, to the open container initiative. Yeah. But so I think it would be really awesome if you could kind of explain what the OCI is and how it relates to container D or Docker or, you know, like Podman or because I think it's something that's quite confusing for many people. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, it's one of those things with a pretty interesting origin story. Again, to make a KubeCon reference, there was a keynote, I think on Friday, Bob Wise, who I think was at Samsung's cloud at the time, but joined AWS later, you know, gave some hints at that story. But essentially the essential parts of the story are that this is super interesting that I happen to get involved in a project that immediately ended up in lots of controversy, because that was an additional twist on, you know, all of, it wasn't just working on Docker, the runtime, it was all of a sudden there was, you know, CoroS came out with Rocket and said, hey, we think Docker's going in kind of the wrong direction, there should be a spec, there should be a definition of what a container is, and Docker shouldn't be in charge of sort of defining kind of how containers work. I think Red Hat was going through a transition with re-architecting OpenShift around containers, using the Docker engine initially, but then clashing around, you know, low-level debates around should system D be a primary part of how containers work, and Docker saying absolutely not, we think they're just application containers. So yeah, out of all this swirling controversy, you know, large, large entities like Google and Microsoft and IBM and including Red Hat were, you know, pretty worried about the future of what a rift in kind of this very early technology would bring to the industry. And so there were essentially some meetings and Bob and his keynote talked about, you know, a specific meeting with Dan Cohn involved that both launched, I think it was the same summer of 2015 within a few months. The CNCF was launched to take over kind of Kubernetes, to shepherd the Kubernetes project, and the OCI was formed to say, hey, CoroS, Docker, Red Hat, whoever else has ideas like let's get together under a consortium, you know, similar to the CNCF run by the Linux Foundation, and let's hash out specifications, like for what a container is, what a container images. And so the OCI had a very, you know, symbiotic relationship with the CNCF, CNCF was Kubernetes, the code OCI was, here's the standards that if you want your own container runtime, or you don't want to use Docker, like at least conform to these specs, so we can all interoperate. And so that's really how the OCI was launched. Right. And I actually, I actually remember that because it was like two really big kind of splashes, right? Yeah. And then the OCI. And so I think it's important to note, right, that the OCI isn't really software kind of in and of itself, right?  Yeah. Yeah, no, good, good, good question. And so there is, yeah, the interesting, the OCI is imperfect in that it's not just a pure standards body. At the same moment of its founding, there was also the decision for Docker to give the core, what had been called lib container, a sub directory within the Docker project that really did the work of starting a container process on Linux. They donated that to the OCI to be the first reference implementation of the runtime spec.  And so Run C has been a broadly used piece of software. And that became clear when we had a huge CVE in January of this year, that it's just amazing how much Run C is probably on every Linux server in the world. And when it needs to be patched, it's a big deal. So Run C is that initial implementation. So container D, Docker, Creo, Podman, they all conform to the OCI spec mostly by using Run C. And there are other implementations of the spec. So Red Hat created C Run, which is written in C, that operates just like Run C has some other capabilities that were important to Red Hat. But Run C is sort of a de facto standard that goes alongside the spec. And so all the tools and all the, you know, when you build a container, when you run it in OpenShift or Amazon's cloud or Google, the fact that the OCI specs exist and we all happen to either depend on the same binary implementation or have a conformant implementation.  We've all agreed like how we transfer container images and what they look like. And so the specs have given us that level playing field that whether you use container D or Creo or Podman or Docker, you know, the common world that we wanted to create essentially exists because we can all interoperate. Yeah, I think the one where I was kind of like most impressed by that kind of proliferation of standards was actually like on Flatpak. Because it's like, Flatpak are containers, right? But they're like wildly different than, you know, kind of what you normally think of as containers. And yet it's the best of my knowledge, you know, conforms to the OCI as well. And so I think that that's really kind of impressive for the standard to be able to be used in those kind of too wildly different, you know, scenarios, even though, you know, mostly applications still, but still a GUI application and the command line application are quite different in a lot of ways, right? So yeah, the, let's see, what was I going to talk about next. So, so at present, you are primarily working on container D or are you mostly working kind of the standard space or both? Yeah, so both, although I would say I'm more technically involved in container D the project and its lifecycle of releases. And one of the cool things joining AWS, one of my interests was really building, you know, not just myself working upstream, but AWS had built a container runtime team that was learning to sort of contribute upstream and take leadership roles, become maintainers. And so a lot of the last three years has not just been me working in the project, but mentoring and helping, you know, AWS, this AWS team learn how to be more involved in open source, learn how to contribute, because container D is used broadly in AWS services that offer container compute primitives like our Kubernetes offering or Bargate. So yeah, that's, that's, I'd say my day job is very focused on that. I'm a member of the OCI technical oversight board, and I've been on that for a number of years. But that's really, you know, an oversight role that the maintainers of each spec are actually doing the day to day work of new spec releases, changes, resolving, you know, requests for new, you know, new ideas to be added to the spec. But yeah, so I'm still involved in the OCI, but there are others who carry on a lot of the day to day work. Yeah, that brings me to the question that I have had in my mind. So when Phil started talking, you mentioned about the community, right? And we have a lot of stakeholders who are interested in more contributing who wants to be like, have a say in the OCI spec, and it can even call the situation like a too many quick kind of situation. So how do you deal with the enhancements that comes through? Like, what is the process? Or like, I know the heart of the open source is like transparency. It's a part of Linux foundation. But can you shed a little bit more light into it so that we can know how they can get involved in case of they are interested in this? It's probably documented somewhere, but it will be amazing to hear from one of the maintainers and who is on the technical oversight committee, if I got that wrong. Yeah, no, no, that's a great question. So I will say that the OCI has struggled to like, you know, it's not the same as like an open source project where people just come in and you can do a quick PR and sort of get yourself established as a contributor. Specs are specifications for decades have been painful work because there's just lots of opinions and by nature you want specs to move slowly because people, you know, you end up with so many projects that conform to a spec that, you know, if you add a new feature in a revision of the spec that says it's a required feature, now you may have forced hundreds of projects to figure out how to add that new feature to their software to say they're still conformant to the spec. So I'd say the first two years of the OCI were fairly straightforward because it was mostly about like Docker is kind of a de facto standard.  Docker named it this? Do we still want to name it that? So getting to that first 1.0 OCI spec was fairly straightforward. Since then the OCI has like, I think had to learn a lot about what it means to, you know, invite people to bring new ideas and yet help them see like how we can do that in a way that's not painful for adopters of the spec. And so we just released the OCI 1.1 image spec and distribution spec in the last month or so. We thought we were going to release that last January. So as you can see, that was painful for people that were like, I'm ready for the 1.1 spec. I think this is what we want. We need it. And then it took another year. And most of that was allowing people who had strong opinions to not hold it up but to make sure we fully understood why they were resisting like a certain language of, you know, something being a must or a should for those that know spec language. You know, those seem like super small things, but like you know that once you release and people start adopting it, like it's really hard to change that. And so, yeah, so spec work is a little bit more like sort of grind it out a little more pain involved of like, you know, you can't just cut a release every three months and say, hey, you know, okay, we're floodgates are now open for new features. So yeah, it's a lot of like trying to be super intentional with people and help them understand.  So, you know, containers aren't just about Linux. So the Windows people were there. Solaris people were there. And now FreeBSD people have come and gotten their pieces added. So I think we're open, you know, I think the OCI is appropriately open to new ideas and making sure we cover, you know, all the use cases that people care about. But yeah, it can be tricky because it's, it's not an easy thing just to, you know, for example, one final example before I stop rambling about specs, but you know, there's a lot of, you know, we've had, like I said, we've had containers for about 10 years, at least, you know, popularly the pieces of that have been around much longer. But and a lot of folks have come and said, you know, this, the way we store images and you've got these layers and they're all tar balls and they're compressed and you unpack them and layer them, you know, that was great. That was a great initial idea. But like, you know, here's a bunch of ways that that's slow or that's that lacks performance characteristics that we could have if we redid it. But think about like all the registries in the world, all the containers that have been built, like, is you can't just sort of say, well, tomorrow we're all going to do OCI 2.0 and images look totally different and they're better.  So that's, that's maybe a good example of like specs or there's this huge tension involved with conformance versus new features, new ideas. And if you are looking for a new, like, fun April 1st prank, you can always say like, hey, 2.0 is coming. You can just unrelease the chaos. Yeah, you just have to rebuild everything, it'll be totally fine. I did share, though, you can still have fun with specs because I threw in the chat the TCP IP overcarrier. So I'll, though, I just, something you said made me think of something else. So do you, or is there a movement or discussion or something of BSD jails, for example, conforming to OCI, like some of the other Unix-like platforms and their interpretations of containers? Yeah, so there has been talk of that. I don't keep up as much with the runtime spec because, again, it's probably the slowest moving at this point because it's very stable, it's very well understood. It's mostly, you know, kernel features that appear in the Linux kernel that would be valuable, you know, say, from a security context. The runtime spec will add, you know, a way to, in your containers, config to turn on that kernel feature. And so most of the runtime spec work is kind of the slow movement of new capabilities up through the stack. But yeah, I mean, the lightweight hypervisor folks have been around the OCI for a while. We just had a discussion. We had some meeting time in Paris last week for folks to join and talk about OCI work. And this whole idea about using sandboxes, like a more generic term, a sandbox could be a group of Linux containers, like a pod and Kubernetes, but it could be a VM. And so thinking about, I don't just want to expect, that tells me how containers start, I want a spec that encapsulates the start of a sandbox because that may have network and storage and starting a VM and knowing all the configurations about memory in a kernel to boot that VM.  So yeah, the OCI is having to understand all these worlds where people are using container concepts, but maybe in ways that the original Docker run container doesn't encapsulate fully. And so, you know, I think we will see the OCI grow to kind of, whether it's additional specs, like, oh, here's the sandbox spec, and it knows how to run container specs. You know, those kind of ideas, you know, the OCI will have to adopt and understand those use cases and figure out what that means to the specs. Interesting. Yeah, you know, spec work is, yeah, I think one of the other things, you know, there's a lot of, it's not politicking necessarily in the bad sense of the term, as much as the, you know, there's a lot of kind of negotiation and discussion about kind of each of those pieces, because as you kind of said, you know, it's really long running and, you know, has a pretty strong impact on a lot more people than just the people making the spec, you know. So, kind of talking a little bit more about container D. So, what is container D doing exactly? Like, what is its job? Yeah. So, like I said, initially, it came out of Docker and some of those early sort of contentious debates about, you know, Kubernetes needs a container runtime. It had been using Docker for years. Docker at the moment was, you know, adding things like swarm, which is like, you know, sort of swatting in the face of Kubernetes, like, hey, we have our own orchestrator built in the binary that you're using to run containers under Kubernetes. And it wasn't just that. It was, you know, Docker was moving very fast. Kubernetes was moving very fast. And so, Docker was breaking Kubernetes releases and vice versa. So, container D was meant to be the stable core. It didn't have all the features of Docker. It just had the features that the Kubelet needed to drive, like pull an image, start a container, start a pod. And so these, we haven't even talked about, I guess we haven't mentioned the term CRI. I don't know, the audience should definitely be aware of that. But the container runtime interface was a new API created from the Kubelet to call into a container runtime. And it kind of disconnected what had been a very tightly coupled system of Kubelet and Docker engine through a piece of code called the Docker shim, which was finally deprecated just a few, well, now, I guess maybe years ago. I was actually going to mention that I can't remember if it was this show or the other show I did, where we actually did an episode all about the real production. And it wasn't actually that big a deal. But yeah, yeah, yeah, right. It kind of ended a whole era and made sure that the CRI now is the only real way to connect up Kubernetes to a container runtime. And so, container D implemented that interface from Kubernetes and had a simple set of services like I know how to pull an image, I know how to start a container, I know how to get a container's metrics and, you know, all the things about managing a containerized process. And so container D for most of its life, most of its life has just simply been hopefully a very stable API, a stable runtime that anyone can use. Kubernetes obviously uses it through the CRI. Docker basically abstracted some of its core kind of inner workings to use container D instead of its own code. And that work even is continuing today. So Docker, in essence, is getting smaller and using more of container D over the years. So yeah, we've, like I said, we've existed for over seven years now. And I'd say we're not the most exciting project because our core mission is to be stable, secure, reliable as a runtime and the needs of a runtime, you know, have been fairly stable over that time period. Our basic ongoing work is the CRI isn't static, it adds new APIs now and then there have been a couple just in the last Kubernetes release. So we add features that continue to make the CRI viable for container D. And then secondly, you know, any code base just goes through evolutions, we've been refining it, we're just now coming up to our 2.0 release, which lets us finish the deprecation of a lot of things that were done in the early days that we realized, oh, that's not the best way to do it or here's a better way. So 2.0 has been kind of our focus of the last year and we're now on the release candidate cycle of that. So yeah, that's mostly what container D is up to. The cool thing is we have a huge broad community. So in the early days, there were some concerns that oh, container D is just another Docker project. But today we have maintainers from every major cloud provider, we've got independents, we have, you know, I think 12 to 15 maintainers and only two or three of them work at the same company. So healthy in the sense of like, I'm happy to see kind of our, our governance is working, we've got, you know, broad interest in the project from a lot of different companies. So so, you know, I think we're in a really good spot. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. So that's amazing and wonderful. I wanted to ask one other question. So you have been in the space for a really long time. So if someone wants to get started with containers, they want to learn and they want to eventually contribute to the space, where can they get started, what they can do and how can they get to their, you know, if they want to give back to the open source community or get involved. It's like being a part of the open source community knowing how to work in public is one of the important things in every step of the, like even all the companies, the careers, people are looking like, do you know how to collaborate outside in public? Yeah. So yeah, containers is kind of a broad space. So there's a lot of potential places and I, you know, do get asked this a good bit. You know, even people at Amazon, hey, how do I, where do I start? Like where do I even figure out what to get involved in? I usually, I usually tell people to start by like finding out where a project hangs out. And that sounds kind of weird, but like, is there a slack channel? I see the same thing. Yeah, like, is there a slack channel? You know, because I fear that a lot of people just go to GitHub and you're just staring at that list of issues or pull requests. You don't know anybody. You don't really, you know, yeah, I just feel like that's, that's a really tough way to try and get involved as sort of a, a transactional, like I'm creating an issue. Now I'm creating a PR and I've never like interacted with someone. So I really try and encourage people if that project has a community call, like join it, you know, just listen in. You may not have anything to share, but you'll start to understand like, oh, you know, she's always, you know, talking about this aspect of the project. And that's what I'm interested in. I should go connect with her or he seems to be like the key voice of the project. Like I should figure out how to maybe ask him what, what they're looking for people to work on. And so, you know, that's what I did a decade ago in the Docker project.  And like if I want to learn how to build containers, like, or how the build process works, like I should talk to them. So there's that aspect, like learning about the community you're interested in and figuring out who's who. The second thing is like find out if they have a process for getting involved, like do they mark like good first issues or beginner issues? And we do that with our container runtime team here at AWS. We like we try and like curate like we actually have an open source block once a week. And it's like just join join this call. And here's like a shared doc with like 10 issues we saw that might be easy to start with. And, you know, you mentioned, you know, you started with documentation a long time ago, that's a that's a great spot. Like anyone who's gone to an open source project, you know, the docs are always like painfully or tend to be like, Oh, wow, they, they're still recommending that to start building the project you installed go version one dot x and that's like five years old. So I bet they don't really mean that. You know, and things like that, like just making it easier for developers to get started. Usually, as a new contributor, you have the best view of like, wow, your docs really didn't help me in this spot.  So yeah, those are a couple of the main ways that I try and help people get involved. You know, some projects are better than others and container to you, we've tried to get better at like marking issues with like experience levels. But as we all know, like those things take time and you need to like encourage your maintainer and reviewer community to try and help new contributors in that way. I am, yeah, it's interesting, right? So for a long time now, actually, when I've ever had teams who reported to me, anybody who's new to the team gets to update all the onboarding docs, right? Like, you know, that's part of the onboarding process. It kind of forces you to really read it carefully as well as then, you know, contribute back kind of all the changes. And so I think it's a really good kind of model to encourage. I think it works really well. And the thing is that it's not overwhelming, to be honest. So if someone just know they wouldn't learn how to create a PR and you're going to work in public, you're like, oh, I have, so there might not be a thousand highs on you, but the feel when you start doing it, I would like everyone's going to look at my PR or like it's out in the open, you know, that there is this feeling like, what are they going to think to starting something small, like onboarding docs or documentation is the easiest thing that you get to know the project, you get to know the process, and you are, there is like success. Oh, I have successfully done something and I've dated it. Now I can just get the motivation you need and they can just grow from there. That's what happened to me. And I think like so many people might relate to that, that they started somewhere, like in a documentation or something small. And yeah. Yeah, I have to remind people, you know, especially younger engineers that join Amazon and want to work on containers, like I also had that first PR moment, like I was sweating bullets, like, you know, this is just 10 years ago, I've been a software developer for 20 years at that point. And somehow it being public, and I know all the maintainers are staring at it.  But like some people are like that. I try and be a little bit gentler.  And it was exhilarating to, you know, get that LGTM and like, wow, it's merged, like they actually thought it was good. But yeah, everyone has to like get through that kind of initial hurdle of it being public and everyone looking at it. Yeah. Yeah, it's it can be it can be kind of terrifying. And although I am impressed that it was at your first one that was accepted, because I think that's also something to kind of keep in mind is that your first one may not be accepted. Yeah. But yeah, the, you know, but let me changing topics a little bit just because we're getting close to the end of the time. So one of the things I thought was really cool at KubeCon EU last week was one of the keynotes was interviewing kind of a lot of the like TOC about what they think is going to be, you know, where what's going to be new or what's going to be still around in 10 years. So I'm going to put the question to you is what do you what do you think is going to be, you know, unchanged and or what's going to be different in 10 years? Yeah. No, that's a great question. You know, you alluded to it earlier. And I think the fact that like, even other, I want to say aspects of the industry, I'm not I'm not sure the best way to term it, but things that aren't traditionally like run with a container runtime have adopted the OCI like format of how to distribute software. And so like homebrew, I think is using OCI images now. Oh, there's some GitHub feature that people noticed was transferring things like using the registry protocol and OCI image format. So obviously, there's something in that, you know, protocol and format that that is is valuable enough that other people are saying, Hey, like, why would I create my own format for like sort of moving bits around of software? You know, this really works or this fits my my model. So I feel like, you know, given that I feel like kind of this, the core of the OCI model and the core of how how those initial container concepts of sharing software around probably has some good staying power.  And so who knows, life, life can change quickly. But I feel like, you know, there's, we've, we've come upon something that just turns out to be really valuable. And I think that can stick around for a while. What I think may vastly changes is, is, you know, we're already seeing inklings of it with Wasm. And obviously, AI is bringing, you know, everyone's adding AI to everything. You know, how that will change like the idea of what, how we run things, you know, containers are one very specific concept about running a process isolated in a certain way. But Wasm is already bringing new ideas to that. And the cool thing is, you know, there was a, you know, I don't know if you saw the Wasm keynote, you know, was using container D but plugging in their own shim interface. So it's not using Run C, the program I talked about which knows how to start a container, it uses a Wasm executor to note that knows how to start a Wasm process. And so I think this idea of plugability is what we're going to see explode is that, you know, people that care about the, you know, confidential, trusted execution environments that some of the chip makers are coming up with are going to find ways to, it's going to look like a container process. But when it actually runs, it's going to be in some super controlled memory area of the CPU that's maybe bound by a hypervisor. And so I think we'll see tons of sort of explosion in that space that may take us in new directions about, you know, how containers look or how we package them. So yeah, I'm not always great with crystal ball, but I think, you know, those are the areas where I see some interesting, you know, people moving in new directions that, you know, may radically change like how we think about running at least certain types of applications. Yeah, we were, I was talking with some people about KubeCon, about, you know, running kind of containers in Wasm. And in particular, there's a new, I don't know if you're familiar with silver blue, but it, you know, so, but there's a new flavor of silver blue called Bluefin, which targeted developers, which is actually distributed as a container, which then you would like to install on your laptop or whatever. But what's interesting there is what if you could run Bluefin in a Wasm browser, right? And so, you know, like for my students, for example, that'd be really, really interesting because then I could have a class where I can kind of give them a uniform development environment that is based on Linux, right, but still running in their browser, you know, so, so there's going to be some interesting experimentation there. So yeah, I think that's, you know, like I would agree with your crystal ball, you know, there's, there's a lot going on there and it's really quite interesting. However, what I did want to also ask is because the way we actually do this show, we normally say, okay, what do you see in the next six months, you know, related to the kind of the projects you're involved with or the next release or whatever, you know, do you think that you're most excited about that you think is going to be the best new thing? Yeah. So I said this earlier, container D is not maybe the most exciting project, but obviously for us and for people that are involved, like this 2.0 milestone is huge. As far as like we, one of the most important things we've sort of put on ourselves in the last few years is like there's a core to container D that we feel and clearly has been very valuable, but we want to make sure that everything else is very pluggable. So, you know, the way you can plug in other snapshotters for other file system types or like the Wasm folks did plugging in a different kind of shim to drive a different kind of workload. So 2.0 continues to move us to that world where we're trying to be extremely pluggable and container D can be shaped by, you know, other use cases that maybe we haven't even predicted yet. And so that's, again, not exciting from a, Hey, here's a new AI feature. It's more exciting from an infrastructure standpoint of like container D can hopefully be useful to a lot of different groups without without them having to come to us and say, Hey, container D doesn't work for me. I need this huge change. Instead, it's like, well, here's a plug point. Here's a way that you can add your capabilities. So yeah, that's exciting for us and for the project in general. You know, getting to this 2.0 milestone is a big part of the maturity of the project. So yeah. When you release it, you should consider like it's part of the press release showing a demo of plugging an LLM into one of those plug-in points. That'll pull off the release for a lot of people. Questionable value at best, I'm sure, but that would be the idea. Sivita, did you have any kind of closing questions or thoughts that you wanted to add? No, I just wanted to say that it was so captivating to talk about the container stuff. No, I learned a lot. I almost forgot about AI until Phil brought it up. It is the top question that it's there on everyone's head. Like, whenever you wherever you go, especially at KubeCon or anywhere, any product that you use or build, people are like, how can I do AI with it? I totally forgot about that. I came today and I did not have that. It was such an interesting conversation to have. It taught me personally. I learned a lot. I'm even like looking at Bluefoot. I've only seen the logo and it's a dinosaur and I really liked it and I'm like, okay, we'll check it out. So it's been a very, it's a learning episode for myself at least. So thank you for that. Awesome. Yeah. And speaking of milestones, apparently our 10,000 PR was created in the last hour and just one of our reviewers, she, it's not a PR will be merging, but it's hilarious. It's just has made it to 10,000. Yeah, I just posted it to the chat. That is pretty awesome. I will say one of the things that I thought was interesting potentially for you is I've had more students talking to me about getting involved in systems in the past, I don't know, two to three months than I ever have before. And I kind of wonder how much of it's related to a defensiveness in the sense of, there have been a lot of issues with hiring and jobs and layoffs and things like that. And so I wonder if you're going to see actually kind of an influx in contributors to things like container D or the Linux kernel or kind of the much more lower level infrastructure because it is so kind of unusual for people to work on. And so I just kind of something to keep an eye out for because I think it's potentially interesting. Yeah, it's interesting you say that because every time, and maybe this is just my own lack of faith that the people still care about the lower layers of the stack when there's so much interesting happening, higher layers. But when we get new contributors and people show up and want to work on container D, it's like awesome. We'd love to have you. And when we go to KubeCon and we have our maintainer track session, the room was packed and they had to turn away people at the door. And it's like, wow, seven years in, people still want to hear the latest on container D and figure out how to participate. And so that's awesome. Yeah, so it's really cool. Well, thank you so much for the time. We really appreciate you coming on the show. And Savita points out there is a contributing guide to container D that I will post in the chat real quick. But I think that's our show. And thank you so much for coming. It was lovely chatting with you. I learned a lot and thank you, Langdon. It was one of the cool shows, at least all episodes closer to heart. But since I'm on the show also, again, I really, terribly enjoyed learning about things today. Thank you. Yeah, awesome. Thanks so much for having me. And yeah, it was a great conversation. All right. See you. All right. Bye.


You can relax now, come on and let's be sweet and shy, you can relax now, understood. To pray together. Lead us all in a group prayer and then really to gratitude in our hearts. The song of thanks that we sing in our hearts and our happiness is really what is most, you might say, most pleasing to spirit is us to be happy, us to be the way we were created is the greatest, most honoring, respectful prayer that you can ever have. Your happiness is a gift to the whole universe. So I think I will lead this into prayer and then I think Francis was really feeling strongly of sharing this sense of gratitude and Francis can maybe take that off and we can pass the microphone around if anyone wants to add their voice to our prayer as we send this to the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit, thank you for giving us this opportunity to heal, to expand our awareness, the miracle and forgiveness. Thank you for guiding us with so many holy encounters and songs, movies and nature. To bask in your presence and be showered with your love. This for us is our new beginning. We have come together to be led by you, to be activated and used in the plan of awakening. We pray early on for spectacular miracles and we know that you will give us those miracles. You will perform miracles through us if we are willing. We step forward and say yes to your invitation. These days have been a time to let all emotions come to the surface and we are grateful that we have had these opportunities. Lead us in the way of miracle thinking.  We are at a crossroads in our mind. The journey that we have taken before is over now. Begin a new fresh determination with a strong desire to have the healing in our mind that we may bless everyone in the world. I would like to share my gratitude of the last five days. First, that Chris was very persistent in inviting us over and what a blessing it has been for the whole universe. Such a blessing. I feel I do want to share this funny story that I recently, David and I went to visit this friend that we met a couple of years ago and she started this business of working with a quantum machine and she tested out with us and she hooked it up onto me and she was doing some readings on the quantum machine. I don't know, it's just called quantum machine. It doesn't do anything. Yeah, it's just quantum. It picks up something your first time. It didn't ask me any questions though. And she said the machine picked up that you had these autistic patterns. And I was like, what is autistic? And she said, you know, close down. When you feel not safe, like a child that is autistic, they close themselves in a room instead of going out to communicate. So I thought, I've never heard that as a description of me, but ever since that I started to have all these memories come to me. Like this is a way of coping with this world that I use all throughout the lives, especially the early part where when there was intense emotions coming up, what did I do?  People that I feel I don't know how to handle, shut down communication. If I want to, if I don't know how to handle emotion in the intimate relationship, push them away, stop talking to them for a few days. You know, that's the kind of mechanism that feels safe somehow. Insanely, that feels very safe to the ego is to close down, shut down and push people away. And then you see whether you come out or not, you know. So I thought, well, I'm glad that what happened in these past few years was, you know, it's really a way of opening up in a way that is you actually started to see how I have been doing this to myself.  But this is what I used to think is called life. You build a private family, a private house, a private circle of friends for what? For safety or ease of connection so that there are certain people you don't have to include because it's not really pleasant or safe. You know, I was very selective or private in the way that I deal with the world or with people and had fear of being in a large group or not knowing what to say. But what really happened was, like David was saying this morning, it wasn't that I had to let go of certain things. What was really happening is I had to find a way to include more and more and eventually the whole universe come to my world. But in doing that, I had to allow myself to step out of a very comfortable to the ego but very limited box so that I could choose to open up on a daily basis to allow people who are sent by the spirit to come to my world and allow myself to open up in that way. And that is what we have been practicing in the community because there was no way I can hold on to a grievance and hide from people and stay angry, you know, and stay closed down. It's just not able to happen that way. So it kind of really pushed me to learn to really communicate with people. In the present moment, open my heart up and really wash away all these layers and layers of attack thoughts. So today, I think especially I had a few people in the morning and at lunch brought up this topic of loneliness and I really want to say that in a way that this world, the way that we live in this world as separate individuals is what loneliness is. You know, the loneliness comes from this deep sense of we're separate and there is a way of healing this deep sense of loneliness and the way to undo that is actually very simple. It's through reaching out, reaching out. So here in this closing, I really want to say that I'm grateful for myself somehow the spirit find a way for me to reach out and I'm grateful that you also gave yourself the gift to reach out and allow yourself to be here with so many people for the, you know, 24-7 for these last five days. And you all know the gift that has been. I also heard some people ask, well, it feels good to be here, feel good to do expression sessions here, but there is no way I could feel the same way when I go back home. But I also feel, you know, even here you have all kinds of emotions come up.   You feel supported. There is a way that you can handle it here because there is a lot of support and there is a trust in the mind. So I just feel like there is no need to stop. We won't stop from here anymore, you know. We're going to continue on with this momentum of knowing how much we need each other and we're going to keep reaching out. So that's our invitation. Our email, my email, Jenny's email, and Jenny's Skype, and our website, Spreaker, put on the board. It's a huge invitation. Please write to us.  We're with you all the way. We're with you every step of the way. You know, we need each other. I've talked about the attitudinal healing that's already here in Holland and in Germany also, I know. And it's exactly the expression sessions as we did it here, just listening with open hearts and no comments. So if you look for a group, you look at the side of the course of miracles or from heart to heart, and there you can find a group probably next to your place. Yeah, so I thought we, you know, we can just share and leave it open as well to use the next hour and a half, perhaps, perhaps just if you have an overflowing sense of gratitude or anything that you feel that you really want to share with the whole group, we want to hear it. There is also a miracle. After the last session, a couple came up to me and shared it. They have a place here in Holland and a place in Portugal, and they would like to offer it for a retreat. So it sounds like in December we will have a week or five days or a week. We will, all the guy, all the details will come in the time to come, but in Portugal, to start with. So we will share the information about that when this is ready. Not because of that, but anyway, the name is not yet on it. Get the participant, please. The chance has never been that. He will send everybody the participant. In case you want to contact each other. Yeah, there's nothing really with this suggestion, but it can also happen with you. We can also get the information on that. Great, so everyone who wants to share an email address with each other is the paper to write it on. I think you have it for us, right? I would like to share my gratitude. I came here because I wanted to connect with people that are living the course of miracles, because for me, it has been always separate departments, in my life. Of course, the miracle of reading it, and feeling the miracles, but then stepping into my life again and having a fight with my husband is, you know, being able to read all they know more. And I found living examples in you which is really inspiring, and I'm sure it's a stone in a pond, and it will go on and on and on. And I really pray to be able to apply more in my own life, and this touches me because I found my husband, I wanted to connect, really single, and I could hear you crystal clear, and I felt love, and it was a call out of love, but also for love, and you couldn't understand me, and it's really symbolic, and I really want to transform that. I must create myself, and try to chew in Ghana, chewed on it for too long. I want to spit it out. Thank you very much for your inspiration. Excellent. When I came in, I expressed that I wanted to have a coach to face my fears, and bring them to life, and surrender to this path, and as she said, you are all... Yeah, you're so inspirational for me, and I had fears, and I faced them. One of the fears was I didn't dare speak to you, and I felt a jealousy to Swara, all you were talking to, and I sat down the next morning, and I wrote it down, and I saw what was happening, and this morning at breakfast, we talked it over with a few people, so I was also there. And then tears came, because my greatest fear, and I'm getting emotional again, is, especially with you, David, that I will be exposed, that you can see through me, and so I thought about it, and I thought, I'm afraid of my own life. That's my problem, and I'm so grateful that this came up. Yeah, there's nothing more to say than that. I'm just grateful, thank you all. Now, let me start with you again. Seven times a week, it's beyond, and I didn't have any expectation, but even if I helped them, it is beyond, beyond, beyond. In the Asian nation, the only feeling since such a long time has been confirmed, and as I expressed at the beginning of this week, is I want it all, and I give it all because there's no way back. And as usual, stronger than the beginning of this week, I really know now this is it. I want this. So I will see how my life will unfold, and try to listen to my best abilities at this moment, my Holy Spirit is guiding me through. I want my life on the singing. I even could feel the possibility of leaving my mother behind if no Holy Spirit is calling me for that. And I also know, despite I'm only child, and I've followed this debt since long, long time, I remember that she already said, if you are guided to leave me, although I'm old and sick, I will not be resisted because I know you do it for God. And I know that I will be taken care of. I suddenly remembered that. But somehow she might know intuitively that something is coming up, I don't know. But it comes with you. But anyway, there are no words. And all the love that all the people hear, I feel so rich and so empty, so connected to all of you. Thank you so much for this amazing experience. Thank you all. Thank God. It's a good thing to say what I want to say to all of you. I want to thank my Holy Spirit for being persistent in knowing that I had to be here in this space. And thank you all for sharing the beautiful mirrors of Holy Spirit.  Thank you so much. It was such a great week and I really can feel as if my vibration has raised the higher vibration. And I hope I can keep it. But it was really great. I had not expected it actually since we could be like this. The love you show, the love you live and the fields of love with everybody it's just so beautiful to feel connected in such a field of love. And thank you so much everyone over here and I could share this. Thank you so much. I love you. Thank you. Normally the ride we are riding this week I feel it like God is taking me by his hand so I think this is so new to me. I came in here unexpected for me myself as well. So I thank God and let's see what brings this to me. I'm so grateful. Beautiful examples of transparency love guided by spirit you really show me new ways of relating with myself and relating with God and also relating with everyone because there's also that what you said, the loneliness I feel always when I go in this world and relate to myself and now you really opened up ways for me to go further on this and be connected with Him. So I'm so grateful for that. Thank you. Thank you for knowing me. You're always in my arms. Thank you very much. Last year I was one day we were the weekend here in Holland and I came the second day and at the movies I I couldn't keep my eyes open and I thought, what are all those girls being on the stage and came for David? And I just had no reaction. So I promised myself to start all over again and a bit more open minded really. And now I'm so glad with all the girls on stage that David, you may stay. And it's what I heard before that since a few months I've really been apprehended on books inside of these all those spiritual books. I keep on doing the course but I want to live it. I want to live it now. Now it's time to start living it. And you are such examples that really I really met love on another level and it's really amazing. So precious. So precious love. More than personal love. It's a great gift. In the beginning of the retreat I thought that I was not connected to the Holy Spirit and the actual love but during the the retreat I realized that I had more contact with the Holy Spirit than I thought. And I see now all the moments how the girls called me and that I listened to this call and so it gives me self-trust in my relationships relationship with Jesus and even I listened to this call to be here because I live in the community and I was curious about how do you live the course in your lives by examples and testing content testing And I like to face it one of your communities but I don't know I think it will be Mexico. I met you last year and I met you and I immediately knew that I wanted to see you again so when I heard of this retreat I had to sign up for a very grateful to be here such lovely things about the world it made it so clear to me that I can laugh about it and just be happy it was perfect to open my heart more and well it did this week so thank you all for all your help it's really lovely thank you and express to various people my gratitude for being here and seeing living miracles the whole day this week I so strongly feel it has enhanced my dedication to the Holy Spirit to the work as I said this afternoon I don't know where I'll be next year but I'm open for everything thank you thank you very very much for your practical teaching it's really fantastic thank you I've learned this week to express myself without feeling ashamed and I'm really grateful for the way you speak about it the eco David such a lot of laughing it makes it so easy so light so yeah well it's very helpful very very helpful thank you so much thank you all it's a pleasure to speak with you I'm sorry for this it's the best way my soul is singing this whole morning I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry So now we all know that therefore we are here to walk about the life and to have a walk to eternal. And for me it was very essential that the whole week I had not one moment the idea that I was drunk. And that's new. You didn't try to change me. So I'm really sure that it's all for me. I wasn't going to say anything but I kind of might. But it's all been said before and I thank you for this week. So happy you came here close to our homes. I hope to visit you in Spain maybe soon maybe later. I'm happy that it's very close to Holland and not all the way to there. And I'm so happy to have all my new friends and all the love that was here. My heart is full of joy. Thank you so much. I was not going to say something. Thank you very much all of you for such a big inspiration. I was very glad to find out. I couldn't believe that you came to school. I was very overloaded. I thought this must have been last year. This is unknown. I signed in and it was a big gift for me. Because it's just before I go by the South Africa. I live in South Africa as well. So a couple of weeks. So I'm so grateful and happy to have all of you and especially you. And thank you for such a big inspiration from the bottom of my heart. I only want to add my confidence for your great talent in storytelling. When I met Jesus first time it was like this golden wave going from my body. And it was like it was just this pure embracing and understanding. It was just understanding. I didn't only like one year later I realized. No, not yet. Very much later I realized that it was love. Like the first time in my life I touched love or love touched me or whatever. And this non-judgmental embracement that was when I saw you on YouTube I thought that's it. That's it. And that was the story where I came here. So beautifully unfolding. It's like you push out these waves over everyone of us. It's no one can be, everyone can tell. Whatever he wants. There's no judgment. There's just love coming over. You can tell something and you trust it. The reply is always love. Yeah. And I'm just saying I'm sorry. Like for me it was like I saw the messages and I thought, wow. Beautiful. And that's also what I want to say to everyone. Everyone is amazing. That's beauty but also wisdom. Now the wisdom is really important to everyone and that's a beautiful and really quick blessing. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the sweetness. Really amazing. I'm really touched and really... And you know I come from the Buddhist practice so I'd love to see also besides Christ really inspiring and laughing Buddha showing movies. That was really cool to me. And yes, I enjoyed it very much to be with you all. It was a great experience and I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. I want to thank Jesus for everything that he does and being here and bringing me here. As always I didn't know why I was coming here but it's all so beautiful just to join in the healing with everybody and to be in the brotherhood is just... There's no real words for it. Just to see the healing taking place is pretty wonderful and I was just reflecting and just thinking it's so beautiful to have those beautiful reflections back at me. I'm just so grateful for everybody here and I feel really, really welcome here. Thank you so, so much, one of all. It has given me a lot of trust to find out that although I might go saying that I'm in the wrong place that I'm always on the right place. Thank you. I am very grateful when I came here that I am jealous that people are there to expose themselves on YouTube. But it's really my longing to expose myself totally to the Holy Spirit which I did and also to the brother like this exercise, one-to-one exercise and I just said it's so safe to do so. I also felt that being afraid there's no bottom when we... there's no ground when we did this exercise and my brother Holy Spirit stays there in the light. It's... I don't know how to explain but it's like it's not a bottom, not a ground I wanted but it doesn't need to be. It's just this... it's not really blank but it's not needed. I can totally trust it. And I also like to say that if anyone of you wants to continue practicing this one-to-one I'm into it on Skype. For a long time I had the longing to do a weekend or a week with you. I saw it once in Hawaii so I asked a friend oh, let's go to David. He's all the way there and so expensive so I didn't dare to do it alone. So when I saw it in here I said I have to do it, he's coming all the way to Rome and I'm so happy that I've participated. I did the question that the question about this and then David told me it's a different way like, you know, teaching, teaching and coming here it's a different way but it's so loosening up me, you know the ties, the controls and I had resistance and I made the shift from being resistant to being totally happy to participate and also the move is not to move but to see what it's done to me so I said wow, it's just it happens to me in a different way so I was really happy of and even in my dream I could see that I want structure and things and I could see it was loosening so that's what happened with me and it's just loosening this and while you were sharing Helen about your way, your road it just, I have it it just takes me in the scene that you could feel this freedom and going through it it's like, it comes in me, you know it's like, and also you with your son, with the fear and then you're going through it oh they land well, so I'm an enemy here it's just great to have you here and to experience this all and from David I saw you on the internet and this wisdom of knowing you and all these teachings it's even more, it's so deep the wisdom and I just would like to have more and more and more, you know it's true because even the movies I was thinking, how is it getting this when they say tonight, oh this is cars like the one of yesterday but you're taking more and more out of it I'm totally here it's just great to have someone like this in the person there because I want to continue you know, so maybe I'll be in how to call it in Spain and just because I really love to continue to the David base because I don't lose it anymore it's just, it has to be my David breath I'm really very happy with the way you are and the way you, for the example it's really an example for me and also the teaching went through you know, what you were telling him I'm very happy that this week that I could experience it thank you so much really thank you and thank you all the other friends thank you so much thank you so much thank you so much to represent the light light one light of the world I bless you with all my heart and I love you so much thank you all I love you so much can I say thank you again I came here to, how do you say to in life the presence of all you guys I know you through YouTube since maybe six, seven months and I must say that to meet you in real life and feeling you and watching you is amazing and a great inspiration an example of nothing through can be threatened and nothing through can be threatened and nothing really exists you were just demonstrating it to the photos thank you and another that wasn't a surprise I suppose it but it extended my my didn't meant but the big surprise for me is actually meeting all my brothers in this course because this is the first time I am together with people that seek something of what we all seek and it was a mind blowing experience to meet you all thank you I also want to say thank you just I'm faking just a few years ago I was really like a total outcast and I was a nice person and at least in my hometown and just a thought of being here and opening up and feeling at home and I want to thank Jesus for taking my hand and for the savory and the answer to everything thank you all I am very very thankful and I just want to add or to put an emphasis whether it's maybe the words that come at the moment is what is very much what helps me with my healing very much is the innocence and joy that you have the words that are there at the moment thank you I'll be thankful too because I'm so grateful to what Kenneth just said I want to thank Jesus for taking over me so like a wave of I know I've been over years I've been praying so much to maybe an instrument for your peace maybe an instrument for your love I thought well nothing's happening and when I go back people say oh thank you for organising this it looks really strange I don't really recognise why and then I say well I guess this is probably what I've been praying for you to do this so thankful you know I was having the opportunity to work with you guys it's been so special I hope I will continue doing this you never know I didn't point anything right now but we'll stay open and it's definitely been worthwhile but it was a deep wish for me to have guidance from the Holy Spirit continuously and he answered me that you are of spiritual energy love inside examples and so he gave me this specific answer and he promised me that he will be with me when I am home thank you my heart is full gratitude and it was I had so many insights and it was so inspired but now I don't go anymore do we continue one more hour with the gratitude I fell asleep I want to run out I'm so tired I can't sit still do you have an answer for me? yeah I think we're getting close to maybe going out and finding a nice open space so we can have a big group hug and I can bring my camera phone out so I can take all your smiling happy faces out in the green grass and the trees so people can be inspired by all that you shared and all that we went through so I think that's a good a good symbol that it's time for us to go out into nature and have a big hug together before we go I also just want to say thank you all and the big word I hear or see in my mind is willingness it's thank you for your willingness so we wouldn't begin without you so this is it's so beautiful and I want to just encourage everyone who also has received some nudges and inspirations from this retreat just to go for it you know go for the things that you may be a little scared of or that you may think you don't dare to do but go for the communications and the things that you have felt you're also beautiful


Hello guys, good afternoon. Happy Thursday. Yes Thursday. Welcome to another vlog It's already like 1.30 in the afternoon as you guys saw I was doing computer work earlier this morning I edited last week's weekly vlog I'm trying to like get a little bit ahead on my YouTube videos because next weekend my family and I Actually going away for a week on vacation We're just getting like a private beach house just for my immediate family and my boyfriend, but we booked this few months back back when it was still winter time and I'm just so excited that it's finally approaching because it's much needed, but at the same time It's a little bit of a stressful time because if you guys have been keeping up with my vlogs recently You know that I am moving out of my apartment my lease is gonna be up at the end of this month and I have been you know gradually moving in to this house where I currently am with my boyfriend and We got majority of my stuff out of the apartment, but because we're gonna be gone that whole last week of May I Need to have all of my stuff out of there before we leave because when we get back I'm only gonna have like a day or two left and I still need to clean and all that kind of stuff So I really only have like a week and a half To finish moving and get the last bit of stuff out of my apartment But yeah, anyway, so I was doing computer work did dishes Just trying to clean up a little bit. I have work later today, but I don't have to go in until four So I figured let me try to be as productive as possible before I need to leave for work I currently I'm just making myself a little food because I haven't eaten yet So I'm just making myself a little breakfast sandwich Situation oh, but I wanted to give you guys Another little sneak peek and show you some more of the progress that we've made in the house I am really excited. I feel like it's starting to really come together and actually feel like a home now So the kitchen I'm pretty sure I already showed you guys at some point that we had put these shelves up here But we also now this is like one of our newest additions I found this little cart thing at home goods and it was like totally unexpected Just went in there one day to kill some time saw this and was like, oh my god it's perfect and it fits perfectly like we needed something to put on this wall and we needed more countertop space we needed more storage so this was perfect and I mean look at it. It doesn't block the vent, which is nice And there's still room to open up these cabinets over here. So it's just like it was meant for this space I love it so much. Oh, and then as you saw the beginning of the vlog. I got an espresso machine Oh my god, I'm so excited My boyfriend got this for me as an early birthday gift and I'm so excited It's amazing. I've used it every day since I got it a few days ago And it is honestly Truly some of the best coffee. I've ever had in my whole life.  So that's saying a lot. It's it's really really nice. I think this is the Virtuo next Pretty sure. I Wanted one that wasn't gonna take up as much countertop space. So I really really like it We also brought this Tall like bookshelf thing from the kitchen in my old apartment But I forgot the actual shelves at the apartment. So we don't have much in there right now But eventually we'll put like some extra food and stuff and kind of use that as like a little pantry Same way. I had it in my apartment and then this is how the living room is looking. Oh, hi Ignore the boxes over there. That's what the Nespresso came in. Oh, by the way. Yeah, here we go There's the name of it Virtuo next. So, yeah, it's really coming along in here. We got this fish tank set up My boyfriend already had the tank so he just went the other day and got all the stuff and like decorated it We don't have any fish in here just yet He wanted to get everything set up and get like the water temperature right and all that first and we brought my couch over from my old apartment and the rug and It just it feels so cozy in here now. I love it And back here are these like Little like built-ins. I don't know. I wish that they the top opened up and that there was storage in them That'd be really cool. There's not so it's just kind of like a ledge But we put the cat tree over there and we're just kind of working on like decorating back there I'm not totally sure what we're gonna do yet but that is how this is looking and then this table was already here in the house and we Thought that it looked perfect over there And this is gonna be so fun having a little side table that I can decorate For all of like the different seasons and holidays and stuff. I'm really excited about that so We're gonna get a little lamp probably to put up here too and just like decorate that really nicely Oh, and then this is one of my favorite parts. We got the front patio set up So cute. They already had this rug and then this set I got from Home Depot for a really good price actually I did not realize how expensive patio furniture is, but this whole set was like around 300 I want to say and then those little pillows are from Target from like the $5 section in the front Citronella candle from Target as well. This little thing was already out here and I don't know. Just I love it. I think it's cute. We put some fake candles in there and Then we hung up some string lights.  I Started using the Kenzie IPL handset at home hair removal thing. They had sent this to me originally This is not sponsored right now at all. I had only been trying it for a couple of weeks at that point I was like, oh, I'll share my final results and some of you guys have been asking me for updates well, I was using it consistently for About a month or so. They say that you're supposed to do one session a week for 12 weeks before you get like your final results And then occasionally, you know, you can use it every so often for maintenance So I started doing it on my underarms, but I just kept forgetting I wasn't being consistent enough and then I Just like stopped using it all together because I just wasn't being consistent So I was like, there's no point and I feel like the progress that I did make at that point Like I had undid because I stopped using it completely So I started fresh at the very end of February and I've been doing it consistently I have not missed a single week since so we should be coming up on the 12 weeks pretty soon within the next few weeks and Let me show you The hair is not Very long, but you can kind of see I think like where it's growing out from and where it isn't Yeah, I mean there's definitely still some hair there, but It's pretty sparse It's not all over and you can definitely see especially towards like the center like on this one I feel like the only place where I really still have hair is like up top but like down in the center It's Pretty hairless. So I don't know. I feel like that's pretty good progress. I don't know if by the 12 week mark They're gonna be completely hairless but I Don't know. I'm gonna just keep using it until they are basically And I'll continue updating you guys. But yeah, that's that's why I haven't talked about it since the way that I've been doing it In order to stay consistent what I remember to use it is any time I wash my hair I know I need to do this. I Pretty much always wash my hair twice a week. Oh, that's the other thing so They say that because there's five different settings and they suggest Using it on the highest setting number five to get the best results possible. I I just can't do it. I don't know like it's not that it hurts, but it just like It just sends out this like quick little Pulse of like hot light and I don't know it just it freaks me out for some reasons So I have been sticking to level three and that is perfect Because I mean it it's warm. I can feel it But I'm just more comfortable with it and I figured because I'm not doing the highest setting I've just been doing it two times a week to kind of make up for it. So I just do Each side they say that you can do up to three passes per session So I do three or four, but since the end of February, this is how I've been doing it and I haven't Experienced any issues like no skin damage or anything like that. I'm gonna finish getting ready for work I'll see you once I'm all dressed Good morning. Happy Saturday. I've worked today at the salon at 10. I just got up brush my teeth Washed my face. I'm doing a face mask and I made myself a Little green smoothie. I guess this isn't little. This is a pretty ginormous green smoothie, but it is a beautiful morning And I love that I can sit outside. I have like an outdoor space That's totally private and then I can come out here in my pajamas in a row with a face mask on and I can Just enjoy my breakfast Penny is over there roaming around the geese can be a little obnoxious, but For the most part, it's a really peaceful. This is just so nice What are you doing This is the face mask that I did by the way I gotta leave in about 30 minutes. So I'm gonna go find something to wear and Maybe do something about this hair. Actually, I don't know. It doesn't look too bad This is air-dried from yesterday. My coffee is cold now. Hi It's the next day. It's Sunday I don't even know what time it is. Oh my god, it's almost 1 p.m Sundays pretty much every week we go to my boyfriend's grandfather's house and His side of the family they all get together and have like a Sunday dinner there so I really need to like pull myself together and I need to Clean up the house So this is what I'm working with There's just stuff all over the place. I'm just gonna show you my side of the bed I'm not even I'm not gonna put my boyfriend on blast, but yeah, I definitely need to Clean up over here and then we have a bunch of clean laundry from a couple days ago that Still just piled up in the laundry baskets. Oh And I joined the crime junkie patreon. You guys know it's my favorite podcast So now I get the Monday episodes a day early and they just uploaded this week's episode So I'm gonna listen to this while I clean It is so hot, but I love it Hi guys Today is Monday. I am on my way To go get a Brazilian wax before my vacation So going to get a wax and then my plan is after that I'm going to Stop at the apartment again And by the way, I was trying to mess with the car mount to see how I can get it from sitting still and not like Moving around like this and I can't I can tighten it to a won't like flip around this way, but There's nothing that will keep it from moving side to side So I'm sorry if it moves a little bit, but last night we stopped at the apartment for a little bit We weren't able to pack up as much as I thought we'd be able to my car It's small, but it actually can fit a lot in the back But I just had a lot of like really big boxes of stuff So we were able to get all of the boxes, which is nice. So anyway, I'm gonna stop there After my appointment and just try to fill up my car with more stuff. I'll show you when we get there It's just really crazy how fast of the time flies because I started this whole process of Moving into the house Well first before we even could start moving anything in we had to really clean it up. It needed a lot of work So we started all of that at like the beginning of March and then I started just kind of slowly like packing up my apartment and bringing stuff over and We've pretty much been staying at the house exclusively since March Since like the end of March and I thought like oh, I'm starting this so early It's like a little bit ridiculous almost like I have so much time Now here we are the week that I need to be out. Oh, sorry And I feel like oh my god, where has the time gone? Like I still feel like there's so much to do I just Feel overwhelmed and I'm like super booked this week at work Which is good because it'll help to make up for the week that I'm on vacation not making money or taking clients But at the same time, I'm just like oh my god by the time this week is over. I'm gonna really really Be in need of a vacation. I'll see you when we're at the apartment I'm out of breath Because I just had to run up all those freaking stairs It's definitely easier bringing everything down and it was bringing it all up when I moved in but I I think when I moved in I didn't mind the stairs as much because I was just excited to move in here But now that I'm leaving I just present the stairs anyway, I Got my wax It went really well the girl actually That did it today because normally I just go to European wax center just like a quick walk in place I normally just go with whoever is available for like the day and time that I need but today The girl that did my wax I went to her once before and I've decided she is my favorite and I want to just keep sticking with her So I pre-booked my next appointment with her. She's amazing It's the least painful with her like I don't know what it is about how she does things, but It's like I don't know. She just does a really really good job. And then I stopped And got Starbucks while I was there and they actually had oat milk feel like every freaking Starbucks There's just like a national shortage of oat milk, but I got the brown sugar iced shake and espresso So good, I haven't had it in a while. I've been trying to just make coffee at home save some money But I figured Bob is out. I'll treat myself, but now I'm at the apartment and I just don't even Just don't even know Let me show you I went through the closet I took all my clothes off of the hangers and I just put them in garbage bags. So in here is Pretty empty for the most part. Oh I didn't even realize I didn't take this stuff down. Okay, so maybe I should do that And then I have some stuff hanging up here I'm over it. I can't wait for this week to be over Just be done with this. But yeah, I just kind of have stuff all over the place The kitchen at this point is pretty much empty I have a couple dishes still and then over here is just like some food stuff. So I don't know. I guess I'm gonna just start bringing all those bags of clothes down and Yeah I'm just gonna start grabbing stuff and just filling up the car and I'm just gonna keep going until I can't fit anything else I honestly could have filled it up probably a bit more, but It is too freaking hot.  I love it. I love the hot weather, but When you're running around and you have so much to do and with moving and everything it makes things difficult But yeah, it is Friday afternoon. I don't even remember when is the last time I vlogged What day it was what I was even doing, but I haven't picked up the camera in a few days because My anxiety has just been Really really bad. I don't know what the hell happened But I've just like for the last few days I've just felt like so nauseous and like my chest feels like somebody's like sitting on it My throat feels constricted and yesterday I was at work and I legitimately started having a panic attack I still don't have everything out of the apartment and we leave early tomorrow morning for a trip The problem that I keep running into is I can't go during the day because a I have work Be it's been so damn hot and in my apartment. I'm all the way on the top floor. It's an old building It doesn't have central air conditioning So it's just really really hot up there and coming up and down the stairs is just awful And it's been so busy and there's no parking lot or anything like that. I have to just parallel park out front I can't like double park because the streets too narrow. There's nowhere for me to park So my boyfriend ended up coming with me. We went there at 11 p.m.. Last night And it was perfect because there was no one there not a single car. Nobody was out we just like completely packed my car full and By the time we got home and unloaded everything from the car It was after midnight and then at like four or five in the morning I got woken up Benny came downstairs and was like digging through the trash So I had to get up and clean that up and I Just I didn't sleep the best last night. I'm just really really looking forward to this vacation I just God I need it so bad, especially after this week. So Anyway, I just wanted to update. I got my eyelash extensions filled we went Fuller this time Because I have to do eye drops Because of my lacy guy surgery as part of my aftercare I feel like that's been making them fall out quicker and especially because I'm going to the beach and stuff We decided to just go super full so that way they'll last me as long as possible and Then I got my nails done. I love so anyway, I had work this morning I had two clients now. I had like a nice two and a half hour break I have to go back at four o'clock to the after two now. So I have some time. I have to go back I have one more client and then I'll be done with the work I don't and I don't know if I'm gonna end up going back to the apartment at some point today I especially because it's a Friday. It's probably just gonna be way too packed and it's so hot It's like almost 90 degrees today So I don't know if we're gonna do that. I might have to just wait Luckily, I am gonna have two days after we get back from vacation We should be able to just get it all done in one shot when we get back. I still have to pack I Need to pack for Benny because he's coming with us too. I need to get the cat situated I'm gonna bring my cat to my parents house and my friend is gonna come and Just you know check in on them and feed them and stuff like that throughout the week I want and I have to finish editing this video so I can schedule it to go up while I'm away So there's still some things I have to do. I feel like I'm gonna be up really late again tonight Luckily, I don't have to drive tomorrow, so I can sleep in the car, but I wanted to Open some packages with you guys. I ordered some teeth whitening stuff. I Got sucked into an Instagram ad And I like the fact that it says whitening without the sensitivity And they're certified non-toxic Enamel safe and it's made with like coconut Oil I think Most whitening products use hydrogen peroxide But this stuff uses a patentant formula of coconut oil sage oil and lemon peel oil without the sensitivity Oh and the brand I didn't even say is Luminow Luminow oral essentials. I don't know not sponsored Like I said, it was just an Instagram ad I saw so it came with the white strips and then it also came with a little Like travel size of their whitening toothpaste, which is perfect. I'll bring this with me on our trip and a whitening mouthwash and then I need to spend a little bit more to get free shipping so I decided to get just a Full size of the whitening toothpaste to try out. So We'll see I can keep you updated in a future vlog and let you know how well this works It wasn't too expensive. I want to say it was like 40 bucks for both of these and then I got a PR Package This is from Kate Somerville skin care. So cute now that I don't really do like makeup content anymore I don't get your packages as often So this is exciting. Oh, I got a little bucket hat. No, look at this picture me at the beach cute So they sent me the daily deflector mineral sunscreen Also perfect for my vacation. Oh my god. I'm gonna definitely bring this with me Oh, and it's fragrance free. That's good to know Lightweight sunscreen hydrate skin restores the protective barrier while protecting against sun damage and the visible signs of aging Formulated with skin restoring Ceramides and a skin protecting antioxidant vitamin E and it's cruelty free also. That's good. Oh, I like that It has a palm squeeze you tube with a palm love that a little bit On I already put on some SPF this morning but Probably good idea to reapply it. Yeah, it doesn't have any scent and it is pretty lightweight. Oh Actually, no. Yeah, this is really nice when I was first applying it I was like, I don't know it feels like a little bit greasy, you know Like how most sunscreen can be but as soon as it starts drying It literally is so smooth and weightless and it like completely just dries down no stickiness at all Oh Feel like if you wanted to wear makeup, too Like this would be really nice under your makeup It would just like glide right on top, but I think I'm gonna wrap up this vlog here Like I said, I still have a lot to do. Hopefully I'll be able to edit this before I have to go back to work So that's gonna be it for this vlog. Thank you guys so much for watching. I'll see you in my next video. Bye