everyone. Another Wednesday, where did that week go? I always say that every week because where did that week go? So, Mitch Yuan, I'm the host of Hawaii, the State of Clean Energy, and I'm happy to have Jay Fidel of Think Tech Hawaii as my co-host. And our guest today is Rebecca Atsushima, who is the Director of Renewable Energy Acquisitions for the Hawaii Electric Companies, all of them, which is awesome, so welcome to the show. And Rebecca's going to tell us about the latest acquisitions and RFPs and what's going on renewable energy at Hawaiian Electric. So Rebecca, what is going on? What's the latest and greatest news coming out of Hawaiian Electric? So last Thursday we officially launched and issued our final approved RFPs for Oahu Maui and Hawaii Island for Renewable Energy as well as grid services. It's by far the largest procurement that we've ever done as a company and one of the largest in a utility-wide throughout the United States. Really? So, like, how big is it, approximately? So, we're seeking, you know, over 2 million megawatt hours between the three islands, between 2022 and 2025. So, we're looking to have all of the energy in place in 2025. We're also seeking energy storage and those needs vary by island of the in-service date. Okay. So, do you have any... Can we get some terms defined? Yeah, sure. For me, I like to understand the difference between megawatts and megawatt hours because, you know, you mentioned before, there was 900 megawatts and 2 million megawatt hours. I need to know the mathematical relationship. The megawatts are basically the capacity, what is available for the system and the megawatt hours is the actual energy that's being output of the system. So, it's based on the capacity factor and... Over the period of the contract? Annual. Okay, good. And so, the megawatt hour translation, the 900 megawatts, is if you're looking at solar, that amount would vary depending on the technology. So, the RFPs are not specific to a certain technology. So, we frame them in megawatt hours to be technology diagnostic. So, diagnostic, I mean, if I have a wind farm or a PV array or if I drill my own geothermal hole, I can sell you guys power. Is that what you mean? Yes, as long as it meets all the technical requirements of the RFP, it can, and it's renewable, it has to be renewable. It can fit into the RFP. Right. So, we had your team, what, two weeks ago or three weeks ago that actually wrote this RFP. Yes. The guys. And I was amazed because I actually, I was telling you before the show, I actually read it. It's like 1200 pages and that's just the main document. That's not with necessarily all the appendices. That's a pretty big RFP to log through, isn't it? But all these guys, I mean, the guys will probably bid it. Is this pretty familiar territory to them? Is that, or is it all the kind of new stuff in this RFP? Well, for this RFP, it's the first time that we're seeking other services in addition to just typical energies. So, we're seeking separate energy capacity, energy storage to provide capacity onto the grid, as well as on Oahu and White Island, we're seeking contingency storage to provide fast frequency response. So, as we transition to renewables and we take off our larger firm generators that have been typically fossil fuel to firm generators, we're looking to also provide some of those grid services that were typically provided by our fossil unit. So, this is the first time that we're seeking, specifically seeking out certain services through this larger scale procurement versus we did a stage one RFP in 2018 and there we were looking just for energy and we saw low shifting storage paired with that energy, but nothing separate requirements. So, this is the first time that we're looking to actually procure a capacity and fast frequency response.  Are you agnostic about that too? Because if you are, if you're not agnostic, then it would seem to me that you don't need storage on some kinds of dispatchable supply, right? So, it varies by island. So, for our megawatt, our energy that we're looking to seek on Oahu, we do anticipate some of the projects were potentially a lot of the projects we've paired with energy storage, but they're not required under the RFP to bid that way. Maui, where we already have a high amount of renewables, we are looking for that energy to be paired with storage. That's a requirement so that we can shift that energy to the times of the day when we need it. And on Hawaii Island, if it's a solar project, we're looking for that to be paired with storage, but other types of technologies, we're not requiring storage for that. We are separately seeking storage requirements on Oahu to replace the AES coal plant, which will, the PPA expires in September of 2022. So, we're looking for specific, specifically energy storage to replace that. And on Maui, we're looking for a specific energy storage to replace the Kahului power plant, which we will retire in no later than 2024. So, that energy storage can either be provided, paired with a renewable resource, or it can be standalone storage, can be bid into the RFP to meet those specific requirements. When you're talking about storage, the issue on Kauai is it doesn't go all night to storage. It's only for X number of hours. And I wonder where we are, where the needle is these days, in terms of requiring or calling for storage. When you say storage, you mean storage for two hours, four hours, eight hours? Storage for all day, or a week, all month? Who I'd like to see that. But what is the model that you're looking for? So, we're looking for the storage to be provided at a minimum four hour duration. But we've also set megawatt hour per cycle that we need from that storage. So, on Oahu, that amount is 1200 megawatt hours per cycle. So, by what we mean by per cycle is, if it was completely charged, completely discharged, it should provide us 1200 megawatt hours. And that's based on our studies of what we would need on a typical, you know, in a certain events, now that the AES plant won't be available. And then on Maui, that is 160 megawatt hours in one cycle that we're looking for. And we're asking these storage providers to be able to provide a minimum of one cycle per day in their company. So, do the electrons for the storage, does it matter what kind of a source they come from? Do the electrons have to be green electrons, i.e., come from renewable energy? Or can I go out and buy a diesel engine and run it and charge up a big battery and then bid this lump of energy to this bid? So, for the projects that are, the energy storage projects that are paired with a resource that are going to be bid in as a paired project, those have to be paired with a renewable resource. The standalone energy storage projects, they will just bid in to be charged from the grid, from excess energy on the grid. So, a lot of that energy will, that'll be a resource mix of what's on the grid at that time. They would typically be charging during times when we have excess energy, you know, either in the middle of the day from, you know, rooftop solar or other things. So, a large portion of that, and as we move towards 100% renewables, more and more of it will be renewables. But in the beginning, there will be some fossil fuel that is, you know, part of our mix on the grid at the time that's charging the standalone storage. So, that's addressing the duck curve. We also had a program on the duck curve here a few weeks ago. Is that, is that what we're doing? And kind of arbitraging. So, you know, you're buying the electricity at a certain price, lower price, hopefully, because it's, you know, excess electricity. And then, when you have the big huge peak at evening, when everybody goes home, then discharge that into the grid at a different price. That, what we're kind of the concept we're talking about. Yes. Okay. You know, one thing I heard you say, I think I heard you say that coal plant, the AES coal plant was not going to be renewed after, was it 2022? It's done. Yes. So, you know, that's kind of important. Yeah. That's, that's an inherent decision here. Yeah. Is that your decision or the PUC's decision or a combination or what? It's an important thing, important, important change. That was the company's decision, which is well supported by the Public Utilities Commission. But, you know, as we're moving towards 100% renewables, we'll, you know, over time be removing fossil fuel generation and that is expiring. And if you look at our power supply improvement plans, even dating back to 2016, we anticipated that the AES plant would be, you know, that that PP would expire in 2022. So, we're in a new kind of new kind of place right now, aren't we? This, this is historic, isn't it? Yes. And, you know, this will, once these projects are in service, or, you know, by the end of 2022, the state will not have any coal burning plans. So, we'll have, you know, completely that moved away from coal. And this is going to be a really big push to get us to our goal of 100% renewables by 2045. So, the, you know, we're looking to really push the increase at a greater speed, even than we were originally planning to get, you know, faster to our goals. So, it sounds like an R.B.P. R.B.P. It's an R.B.P. Really big push. Things, things are moving. Things are, am I right? Yes. So, obviously, I mean, in order for this to be successful, we're going to need everybody, you know, all of the stakeholders involved to really help us. So, for this much energy, there's going to be land that's needed. So, we'll need land owners to want to participate and offer their land up to developers to use. We need community support behind the projects because they're only going to be successful if the community, you know, is in support of them. And we've added a community engagement. We strengthen our community engagement requirements for developers. Obviously, we need the support of the Public Utilities Commission and the Consumer Advocate. But it's really going to be a statewide effort to bring on this much energy at one time. What about the grid? I mean, if you are putting energy storage or, you know, renewable energy system out in the boonies, and that part of the grid is really soft or, you know, old and needs to be upgraded, I mean, where's the limit? I mean, where does the developer have to play a role? Does he have to put in new power lines or is there going to be some, is that a negotiating negotiating point that, you know, the electric utility will, you know, team with them and figure out what the requirements are for accepting that amount of power? So as part of the RFP, you know, we've identified for certain circuits kind of the space available for interconnection of these facilities. So developers can contact us. We haven't done that obviously for every area of the grid, but we did run a land RFI in 2017 to see from land developers, you know, who's interested in having a, who has land available and would they be interested in having a renewable project there, and we provide that information to developers under an NDA. And for those sites we've, we've done some preliminary load flow analysis to determine, you know, how much renewable generation can go in at that, in that area. In other areas, the developer, you know, we have some information not as detailed as a load flow analysis, then the developer often makes some decisions too, but the developers are responsible for all of the interconnection costs. So depending on where they interconnect or what they're trying to interconnect, they may be able to use existing substations, but they may also have to build their own substations to the company's requirements. But that's typical even of our existing projects with renewable independent power producers, what we refer to them as they're always responsible for their interconnection. The facilities needed to interconnect them to the grid. So what kind of response do you expect to get on the RFP?  And do you expect to get responses from local companies or local companies in partnership with national companies or only national companies? You know, what's the indication so far about who's going to be responding to this large amount of renewables? So, you know, to date there hasn't been a lot of local companies in Hawaii that are working on the large utility scale projects. There are a few players in the market and I expect that they'll be interest from them. But typically our independent power producers are larger companies from either, you know, elsewhere in the United States or even we've had, you know, international companies that have come in and our independent power producers are in our grid today. So I expect at the size that we're looking to procure, especially on Oahu, we will attract a lot of those same larger players in the market. But I also think that we will see, I think the local market is starting to develop or is starting to gain more expertise here in Hawaii and, you know, that's great. We love to see that. And so I'm hoping that they'll also be interested in whether that's, you know, bidding in on their own or partnering with a larger company. We do have requirements that the developers that are bidding and have experience and what, in the type of project that they're going to bid in and the sizes they're going to bid in. But that doesn't, that can be through a partnership, through a member of the team that has that experience. The reason we do that is we want to ensure the project's accessible. So we don't want somebody with zero experience, you know, bidding in a project that we select and then they actually, you know, don't have the capability to make that happen. Or the deep pockets, you know, the capital. So, yeah, I mean that's really important to make sure you don't get a clunker in there who goes belly up in the middle of the project. That's not a good thing. But I was wondering when you have the RFP and you're ready to go, this could be a cliffhanger question. Can we do it after the break? The answer on the other side, no, I'm going to ask it now. Yeah, and then we can back away. They'll really like to know the answer. Yeah, right. When you, when you have the RFP and you want to have this interest from everybody or everybody qualified, you want to tell them about it, right? I mean one way to tell them about it is right here on ThinkTech because everybody will watch ThinkTech get the idea. Exactly. Beyond that, beyond ThinkTech. How do you get the word out? Don't answer it, don't answer yet. How do you get the word out to the world, to Europe, to Asia? I mean any United States, to the mainland, how do you get the word out and now take a break? Okay, so we have a cliffhanger question standing by waiting for an answer, but we've got to take a break. So don't leave this channel, wait for that answer. So let's go to the break. Aloha, I'm Stan Osterman. Stan the Energy Man, every Friday here on ThinkTech Hawaii. 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Awesome, guys. Too bad you're going to miss that. So we're here with Rebecca Matsushima from Hawaiian Electric, and she's left her with a cliffhanging question just before the break about climbing, and what was that question? How do we get the word out? How do we get the word out? There you go. Through ThinkTech Hawaii. Well, that's one way. Yeah, a real plug from Jay. So Rebecca, you've had some time to think about it. I've had some time to forget what the question was. So roll the drums. What's the answer here? Sorry. I think it's a really important question because it is, you know, I think the success of the RFP is how many people know about it, how much interest are we getting. So the process has actually been a pretty long iterative process. We started back in February with our first status conference with the commission to get to last Thursday when we officially issued the RFPs for the three larger islands, and so we've, you know, along throughout that process we've been issuing press releases. We have an email list of people that have contacted us in the past about our procurements, current IPPs on the grid, people that have asked questions in particular with these RFPs. So we email them every time we file something with the commission, update them of where we are in the process, and then we also file with the commission. So all the documents are also public there, but we have a pretty robust website that we keep all of our documents up and available to the public as well. So we, on Thursday when we issued, we actually, we sent out another email blast, goes out to about 200 or so developers, or people that have interest, and then we issued a press release, and we do that nationally larger technology publications, things that developers are looking at. And I think there is, there's a lot of interest, this is a large RFP, so it has been picked up in some of those national publications and run there. So we're hoping that that helps get the word out, and obviously we appreciate coming on the show and being able to share our message here as well. So is it, is it one monolithic, you know, the transaction here, or there are little parts for each sub project? In other words, I could be a smaller capital concentration to one part, but I couldn't do all of it. I'm not big enough for that. So, you know, how does that work? We fully expect to have multiple projects come out of the RFP, so we did a, as I mentioned, we did a procurement in 2018, and the, if you look at the average size of the projects there, they, they happen to all, all of the selected projects happen to be solar plus storage in 2018. Those projects average around 30 to 35 megawatts, so if you look at those, their megawatt hours, what we're seeking here, if we got the full amount, if we had enough interest and they came in at low enough prices and, you know, they met all the requirements of the RFP, we could see anywhere between 20 to 30 projects if they, if they range in that same size as the stage one projects. So, so yeah, so we expect, you know, the projects can range in, in size. Is there a minimum size that you've allocated? There is a minimum size, it depends on the island, for example, on Oahu it's about five megawatts, so there's, there's a, and then on Maui and Hawaii Island it's about 2.7, 2.6 megawatts. That's doable. Yeah, and then on the larger end we have, you know, grid requirements, so we have what we call, we don't want to exceed a single point of failure, so we have kind of larger end requirements, project can come in bigger than that, but it has to be size so that if it, you know, it can be kind of if, if it were to, you know, fail or there was an issue with the plan it can be taken down from maintenance in chunks versus coming, we don't want to see like a huge disturbance on the grid if a large plant were. So graceful degradation. So how long does, people have to, have to be able to respond to this RFP? What's, what are kind of the key dates here? Sure, so developers have a little bit over 60 days from last Thursday to respond. I'm sure they have one. A little over 60 days, it's, proposals are due the first week in November. Wow, that's pretty fast. So it is pretty fast, but as I noted, we've, you know, we've been doing this process since February and, and been trying to, you know, keep the market up to date and, and due press releases and. And you've been socializing. You actually, and you've had draft RFPs already out, because you had to submit them to the PUC, so that's where I picked up mine. It's an interesting, developers have already commented and, you know, been a part of the docket as well. Right, okay. Other responses that come in, you know, they're going to be stating price, right? They're going to be proposing price terms, all that. And it's competitive. You know, you might have more than one applicant applying on more than one, on the same project. If that's the case, it's got to be secret. The whole process, we call it a closed bidding process. So we have, we follow a competitive bidding framework that was approved by the commission. And so the, and we work with an independent observer that's hired by the commission to oversee the process to ensure that it's fair, even though it's a closed bidding process. So we take all the bids in, we have several steps of an evaluation process. So first is eligibility, just did they meet kind of the very basic requirements of the RFP? If they pass that screening, then they move to threshold, which is a little bit more detailed analysis, but did they meet kind of these threshold requirements that we're looking for? And then if they met all of those, then they can, they can go into our initial evaluation, which is a more detailed price and non-price evaluation. And then from there, we select a priority list of projects, and we allow those projects to refresh their offers, give us a best and final offer for their pricing. And then we do a detailed pricing analysis, a benefit cost analysis of those projects to select the final award group. And this, this RFP, we're introducing a portfolio analysis. So we're not looking at how does one project itself, you know, what are the effects of that one project? We're looking as a group, how does this total group of project, you know, what, what is the cost to the grid for that, and what is the benefit to our customers? So we're looking at the total portfolio for the first time. So is it all on cost, or is it more subjective? Can you add other criteria, like the quality of the renewable energy source?  So the first, the first portion where we're doing that nine price, non-price, we have about eight non-price criteria that we're looking at. And several of them are, are double weighted that we found to be, that we think are more important to the overall success of the project. So community outreach, what is their plan to, to ensure that the community is, you know, going to support the project and that they're going to, you know, outreach to the community. The other is project development and schedule. So how much, you know, how well thought out is the, is the project plan? Have they contemplated all the requirements for interconnection? Have they provided a schedule that, you know, for the size of their project and where they're locating? Does it make sense to, does it seem like they're going to be able to accomplish that schedule in the correct amount of time? And then performance standards. So obviously to interconnect to our grid and to ensure, you know, our, as a utility, we have a, you know, our number one requirement is to keep the lights on and make sure that that power is reliable. And so we set certain performance standards that the developers have to meet to ensure that we can do that. And so we're looking to see how, how are they meeting, you know, have they met all of them and are they meeting it just on the basic minimum? Are they going to provide, you know, additional services or, you know, how robust are their, their responses to those performance standards? So like you say, it's subjective. Who makes that decision? Does the Humana Electric Company make that decision? Does the PEC make that decision? I mean, because you could have two who are close, you know, in terms of the, you know, the proposal they make to you, but who have subjective differences and your taste, and I guess I would always agree with your taste, you know best, would be that one is more reliable, for example, than the other. One is a better track record than the other.  Who knows what? And what weight, what weight to put on each one of those factors you just described? This is complicated. I mean, that's why you pay, that's why you get paid the big bucks, actually, Rebecca. But the other thing is, that's, that's why 1200 pages, so that you can actually identify all these issues and deal with them. But how do you resolve that? Because it sounds like you could have an argument among competitive applicants, no? So we try to, you know, if you look at how we actually define the criteria, we try to take as much of the subjectivity out of it as possible. We try to set pretty specific things that we're looking for to make it as objective as possible. But you're right, there's still in the non-price, there is some minimum amount of, you know, there, you can't remove all of the subjectivity. But we do have subject matter experts that evaluate each of the criteria. So, you know, if it's an environmental criteria, we're having people from our environmental department that are specifically evaluating those. And then, as I mentioned, the commission has an independent observer that's assigned to the RFP. And so they're also evaluating all of the bids. And then once we do our evaluation, we meet with an independent observer. We confirm that they agree with our analysis. If they have questions about why we came up with a certain score for our project, then we walk through that with them. We make sure that we're all on the same page. And if, you know, if they have input, then we take that into consideration. So that, so there is someone overseeing that process with the utility. Excellent. How long does it take you to get through that? I mean, what's the timeframe from here on forward? 60 days, roughly 60 days, you're going to get these responses, proposals. What happens after that and how long is it going to take? So that initial eligibility threshold price, non-price evaluation is about two months. That'll take us through the end of the year. And then we'll do our BAFO in early January. And then That's best and final offer. Best and final offer, yes. And then we will do the detailed evaluation, which is we actually are running production simulations and doing a portfolio analysis. That process just due to the you know, we have to run the production simulation takes a little bit longer. So that'll take us into the very beginning of May. So the process from now into selection is we're going to take us up to the beginning of May. And then once we make those project selections, we'll go into negotiations to actually execute the contract with the selected projects. And then does that then have to go through the whole PUC again? Are they all right? It does. So once we execute once we execute the contracts with the selected projects, then they go in for PUC approval. So on that happy note, dealing with the PUC, I'd like to make like to make a statement. Okay. My statement is that this shows you how far we've gotten in renewables. It shows you how much we've learned in the past few years and how to deal with you know, an arrangement, this complex and this important and this central to reaching the goals. And Wine Electric has been learning from all of the contracts you've done over the years and learning how to how to build a portfolio of renewables. We're really an important place. This is a tipping point almost. It's very important. What do you call it? Pretty big deal. Thank you for telling us about it. So thanks so much, Rebecca. So that's it. We'll see you in another week. And I don't know who we're going to have on yet, but we'll nab somebody. So, Aloha.


Welcome back to the Sportsmax Zone. Well, we conclude our week-long recap of the 51st Carift Games by looking at an area of the sport that is often overlooked. With over 700 of the region's best junior athletes gathering in Grenada for three days of pulsating track and field action. The Caribbean regional anti-doping organization in partnership with World Anti-Doping Agency WADA seized the moment to descend on the spice aisle with the mission of educating athletes about clean sport. Rado's Executive Director Dr. Sasha Sutherland joins us on Zoom to tell us a bit more about this initiative. Welcome to the Sportsmax Zone, Sasha. Hello, Maria. Thank you for having me. Not a problem. So good to have you on. And of course, I'll start by asking you to just give us a bit of recap as to the initiative and what was outlined in Grenada. Yes, so as you introduced the World Anti-Doping Agency, let me preface it by saying we had a ministers of sport meeting in Jamaica at the start of the year and WADA made a pledge, made a commitment to the region that they would invest more. And CARIFTA was the start of an athlete engagement program as part of WADA's commitment to ensuring we do education before testing in our region. So we spent the three days with Olympians Mikael Thomas and Alianne Pompey from Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana respectively. In Grenada, we also had Rafael Rezende from WADA's stakeholder engagement team and Marsha Boyce, all communications manager in Grenada, just doing athlete outreach, values-based education, providing them information on testing and values-based education and making sure they had ethical decision-making in sport. And so we used the WADA quiz, the playthrough quiz. Eight out of ten gets you a hat, you get to meet the Olympians, we're all part of one playthrough team and this was our way of engaging with athletes at a younger age before they got to the elite level. So the idea is that if education is important, we want to make sure the education starts at a younger age and that we're engaging with our junior elite athletes before they enter that international arena and they are aware of their rights and responsibilities as athletes. Rather than doing it in the classroom, it was all about making sure we had a zone that was fun, engaging, we got to engage with some of the metal holders, we had some dignitaries present as well and we even had athletes show their appreciation for having that kind of information shared with them at Carifters. So all in all, a fun weekend for clean sport and a very engaging one with the athletes. Yes, so important because you know many a times when these doping cases come to light, one of the first things those looking on at what's happening say is that the bodies in charge didn't do enough to educate so I feel as if starting at such a young age is so important because if you don't get it then you're going to get another educational course on it and it's going to be drilled into you to the point where that will no longer be an excuse that you didn't know. So for me personally I feel like it's a good start. I'll ask you though what was the response like from the athletes because do you feel based on you know the feedback that you got that they received it in the manner that you would like? You know one of the key things for us especially in the region, we love face to face education, we love engaging with athletes and we're going to do our evaluation and our impact assessment in about a week or so when we sit with one and just kind of debrief on the program. But from face value we always see that athletes receive it well, they pass by the booth and they're kind of like I don't want to be tested but then when you say no no no it's not testing, come it's just you take a test, you can win a hat, they want to win, they want to know and we have a lot of athletes who are saying oh yeah I kind of actually went through this before we have some of this information but I don't understand this and so you get the opportunity to transfer knowledge there. So beyond just telling them you know play through clean sport is great you get the opportunity to engage them on anti-doping rule violations and the fact that testing positive is not the only way that you can be guilty of an anti-doping rule violation, you get to speak to them about supplementation and nutrition you get to tell them about you know if they're in a registered testing pool what the requirements are. So I would say there was a really good response from the athletes, we had many a person go to their camp and come back with their friends and I think that's a good indication that we're transferring knowledge that we're talking about values based education, we're raising awareness but they're also getting the information, the anti-doping educational part of it outside of the classroom in a way that's fun and engaging. So I would say generally the impact was high and we did have a good response both from the athletes and you know athletes of what personnel who rose to the challenge and took the quiz as well and from dignitaries who came to the booth to find out more about what we were doing. Doc can you talk to us quickly about the reach of Rado because is it still headquartered in Barbados? The Rado, okay so the reach, could you talk to us about the reach and how throughout the region it you know it governs and covers the ground that it really wants to? Definitely, so the Caribbean Rado has 18 member countries across the region but we do not limit our engagement to those 18 countries so we work closely with Jacko for example in Jamaica whether it's on testing programs or if there needs to be collaboration on any aspect of doping control outside of testing. At the Minister's Forum in Jamaica in January especially there was Bermuda who are not members of the Rado but we do provide support when when required. So in terms of our reach yes we have 18 member countries who delegate parts of their programs to us whether that is the results management if an athlete is found to be guilty of an anti-doping rule violation or evaluating therapeutic use exemptions for athletes or assisting with their education programs but we go beyond the English-speaking Caribbean. Some of our members are actually the Dutch-speaking Caribbean Aruba Bonne Curacao and we also have partnerships with other countries outside of the Caribbean Rado. We work closely with the Caribbean Association of National Olympic Committees for example and their membership so we've done training programs for their members as well a lot of whom are not members of the Caribbean Rado. So when you talk about reach why we only have 18 member countries we work very closely with the other countries who may not be members of the Rado and we also work closely with the Pan Rado which is kind of like the Caribbean equivalent in Latin America. Yeah and I gather that there was with regard to the treatment of the engagement that you had at the Carifta Games because you were dealing with with junior athletes. I gather that was there was a subtle treatment of the project and the term doping wasn't used at all and you were emphasizing clean sport because you're dealing with junior athletes so it was a deliberate approach not to use doping or anti-doping which is basically what you do but you weren't presenting it as such to the juniors. Exactly so when you approach a junior athlete and you say doping or anti it's kind of like oh my gosh I don't want to be a part of this but when we change it and we see a clean sport it's all about rewriting the narrative and making it palatable you know so when you tell them about you know what values you have or education as a priority one of our main goals is to ensure that every athlete along that athlete pathway from the playground children in schools all the way up to the elite athlete so going for podium finishes are educated it means that you have to know your public and so a junior athlete is going to respond more to clean sport come win a prize and then you slip in the education while you're talking to them or oh my gosh you just want to go medals so fantastic what was your event you know and Alianne and Miquel did such a fantastic job and Rocky Seacher arm from the Grenada Nado in just making the athletes feel comfortable and talking about their sport and getting to know them and once they were comfortable then we had the opportunity to say you know just remember you need to eat properly be careful what you put into your bodies be careful of supplements and the quiz you know kudos to Wada for having that too because it never gets old we did it at Caribbean the Commonwealth Youth Games sorry in Trinidad and Tobago last year 71 countries across the world descended on Trinidad and the outreach was amazing and athletes at that age it doesn't matter what country they come from the Caribbean Australia you know Canada they all are interested in the information and they all are basically on the same levels but if we re-write the narrative in a Radar's palette of all to them they were just on it everybody wanted a blue hat they were wearing it right after we had one of the teams Guyana do this dance and we use that on social media to say you know what we are doing is not just fun but it gives you information that you could use throughout your athlete life lifespan yeah so important rewriting the narrative as you said I think it's so so important Dr. Sasha we want to thank you so much for stopping by on the Sportsmax zone and we hope to chat again soon as you continue of course educating and ensuring that the initiative is pushed in the right manner thank you thank you for having us no problem of course the doctor Sasha Sutherland there the executive director at Radu taking a quick break we'll be right back


What's up everybody Jason from jazby's case breaks calm 2023 tops museum collection baseball six bucks half case break PYC number five For sure. Like I said, I don't I don't trust Michigan man I never have ever since I've been caught following college football since like what 2004 was like Oregon Dennis Dixon era It just seemed likes to me like the last few years even with Harbaugh coaching It's just like they get there. They're overhyped and then when they get to play in a playoff game. They just lose All right guys and then again, sorry, this was the R&B for the 14 teams and the names Yeah, I think Georgia losing messed up the beautiful rules will get in that could have happened job. I don't think that's gonna happen anymore It's either you guys are in it or you're not in it anymore Go play in the other bowl game and one two three four five six for the right One two three four five six. So this will be for number six guys Yeah, I think it's I think I mean, I think panic should win the husband for sure now, but it's definitely between You you got your guy that was you got now For that reason because both Nick's lost it both Nick sort of wanted and he would have had a better chance Yeah, that was the one thing man. I didn't I didn't realize that panic through like I mean even though seven interceptions It's not a lot, but I didn't realize he threw that many. I mean like I said, I Think bonus stats were a little bit better, but I test I think I Panics is the real gunslinger in that sense, but um But yeah, I think he threw a little too many because I mean bonus only had two up until yesterday And you just see that second one Man, I don't even blame bonus for that interception Dude, I didn't even know that guy was there. He went like out of balance with the organ player and then came out of nowhere Like what the hell that was wild, but yeah, the Jaden the Jaden Daniels, dude, or the one from LSU He's he's put up some crazy stats for what he's had But I would still give it to next. Oh, I mean, I'm next. I'd still give it a headache, so Well, that's you got the frame here Well, honestly, you should have heard me chat.  I don't even think bone next thought he was in play So I mean I don't blame out an exception on him Randy Johnson, but she was so funny. I was that good job bonus thrown it away But then that guy comes out of nowhere Corbin Caron, then we got a long grissom That's for the braves Andrew Should we say that friend? We got that quad relic there of Matt Chapman. So I gotta get some more sleeves Do this game gonna add 10 nothing Blue Jays Jacob with our Christian Yelich to 150 To the Marlins Richard, and we got a Zika Torah. Then we got a Mackenzie Gorda 20 Washington Nationals 14 team R&B that is a five out of 20 five is Stephen Ken All right, this is the non-numbered card as well. We're gonna go to the R&B non-numbered. I've got a frame guys Here we go right in the first box to behind Gunnar oh Nelly It is a Mike Trout for the angels and that's part of the 14 team R&B Going to spot one Stephen Kendrick, how about that, buddy?  I remember this will be two in every case It's like a jumbo Patch or jumbo patch autograph or authentic patch autograph Jake Cronenworth little patch there for the Padres 14 team R&B. That's 15 out of 35 Five is going to Stephen Kendrick. We got a canvas here of Vladimir Gero Jr. For the Blue Jays going to Jacob and then a quad relic there for the Carnals going to Jason 13 out of 99 Freddie Freeman the 99 For the Dodgers one of 99 going to Stephen Kendrick And how about a Steve Garvey for the Dodgers that's 17 out of 20 Spot seven is another one for Stephen Kendrick. I think you just tied Anthony Johnson, right? And how about one Soto? 47 out of 50 Padres seven No Stephen Kendrick man your murder in this break or Thomas are Anthony Johnson It was three nothing last night. What if The playoff football or the committee goes like this If this you wins they're in because they're undefeated Springer tonight and on what if they go like? Michigan Washington Texas And they just throw in Ohio State in there and just leave Georgia and Alabama What if they did that that would cause a massive chaos, right? Vargas Paris No, you leave FSU in there. It's it's it's Michigan Washington FSU Tony go into 15 and you just throw in Ohio State in there because Like you said, you can't put Alabama in there and you can't put Texas in there You can't put Alabama in there if you're gonna put Texas if there's only one slot because the head-to-head should matter You can't put Georgia in there Because FSU is undefeated and you know, Texas did beat the team you lost to right?  That's what I'm saying So what if they did that they just left out the two SEC teams? Because they lost to common opponents. I mean the one really messing it up is FSU honestly That's the only one really messing it up. 79 out of 99 on the old cruise Pirates 14 team R&B 79 it's about nice Jason K and we got away bugs for Boston Come on chat you if you want to be the best you got to beat the best bro Don't take the easy route bro Because the last thing you want is trying to go to the national championship and then get smoked Is that what you really have You rather than have like a cake walk at number at the playoff game But then just get your dreams crushed in the national championship game. I don't think I'd want that I've already seen that happen with Oregon. I don't want that But I'm just saying that you shouldn't want the weakest link man just You know you want to knock out the best in the in the first round so that way you're the best in the next round So you don't want it to be in the first round. You're rather be in the second round But what if that second round doesn't happen? What's going to crush you more losing in the first round or losing in the national championship? All right, Bob Gibson for the carnals Rashida Thank her show Mookie Betts That's a 24 to 25 24 going to Stephen Kendrick True, I think they lost to Alabama right when they went to that cultural playoff Six out of 25 Jim Palmer, that's part of the 14 team rmb. That's a six spot six is mark. Oh We got trade turner to 299 that's for washington 14 team rmb 38 eight is jason k and of dust and padroia nice momentous material patch autographs to 10 Red sauce going to jason Bryce harvard in 99 67 out of 99 Uh, philly's steven the ballon I don't think I remember watching that year really because that's the year that organ had a horrible year. I think That's right after martin left So I think once their season was over. I didn't really care for bowl games I don't even know if they made a goal, but I don't even think they made a ball game in there 2016 who won the national championship in 2016 was that about I remember 2014 fsu won Then 2015 Oregon locked to ohio state, but they beat fsu at the rollsbook game, which was fun And then 2016 was out who did the wood alabama play Getting rid of the red jerseys for 2024. What are they doing then? Are they just going all retro now? All right, next box us All right, we might have a random. I actually know no randomizer here guys Both of these teams are part of the 14 team r&b 47 out of 50 spot sevens going to steven That's a jocei gray and george kirby do one. That's cool. I guess Sorry, I was old paraus is right there for the nineties going to michael And then we have a johnny bench for the reds justin straight up That's nine out of 99 See arby's is doing like a good burger commercial or promo Or they're serving good burgers not mando burgers All right, then we got a whole jail to obey the 10 8 out of 10 for houston going to kev another whole jail to obey Just time just a number to 299 and a michael harris nice for the bridge to 299 83 out of 299 All right down to the last box guys. Good luck Intercept it. Wow. This dude then lsc I'm losing. We'll just drop in picks bro Bro, since when do you catch up all like this? Let's leave your hands right here. Catch you like this. Don't clap your hands Aussie to 1 9 450 We got a max muncie. That is six out of 15 six One two mark and a carleton fist for boston going to jason max scherzer for texas going to kenny Corbin carol 63 out of 75 That's going to justin we have a logan web for the giants That is 10 out of 25 For the giants walter There you go, man. Hello hit there at the end Liz Yankee is going to michael a little derrick jeter All right guys, so just basically some not numbered basin potentially some of these canvas collection inserts I think go to some of the rmb's like that claim per show that one there Rockies one and then whatever non-numbered basers But a very nice half case right there guys. We did get one of the cases. There should be another one hiding Obviously had a one solo there garvey Got that mic trout Gore very solid first half. Like I said second half is in the store You guys want to run it back let's switch scenes and let's do that non-numbered base lock giveaway Is that jake plumber's kid jack plumber? Roll the dice it is a five and a five ten times one two three four five six seven eight nine ten And ten times justin there you go, man a little extra base lock going to you Appreciate you guys second halves in the store. Let's get that one rolling jazby's case breaks.com


Hello, Peter Harrop, chairman of ID Tech X again. Want to share with you a little of the excellent show that we're enjoying here at Berlin with the Estrell Hotel. It's the ID Tech X show. And at the ID Tech X show, we have, amongst several electric vehicles, we have the Mitsubishi here, which is the Outlander, which is the best-selling plug-in hybrid worldwide and has been very successful because, as you can see, it's not a little car. It's a major vehicle for families and I can imagine camping and all the rest. So plug-in hybrids for the uninitiated, giving you the enjoyment, if you wish, of operating purely on the internal combustion engine or, if you wish, wholly or partly on the actual lithium-ion battery, obviously not wholly for a very long time, but this has proved very popular. So there are various plug-in hybrids that are very popular. Clearly, the Tesla has a plug-in hybrid, but this is the one that's really successful for Mitsubishi. So there's a taster for this product.


After winning five consecutive CFL Grey Cup championships, Warren Moon signed with the Houston Oilers. Over ten NFL seasons with Houston, Moon was named to six Pro Bowls, was named the NFL's offensive player of the year, and twice led the league in passing yards. After a stellar career, Moon was the first Canadian football Hall of Fame player, first undrafted quarterback, and first African American quarterback inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.


We'll give you a craft feature in the scene of the recent Top Gun Maverick movie. It was performed to the aircraft today, flown by Schumer Yoke. It's owned by Jim Tobos, known as the Korea War Hero. We'll tell you a little bit more about that aircraft as it's been progressed. He's gonna send the guilty callsign Shy Ryan from Afton, Minnesota, and weapon systems officer, Lieutenant Jake Broeker, callsign. You can download that, get a full run of schedule, information about our static displays, our sponsors, a lot of details about the aircraft.


When you write a program that uses a loop to do some task repeatedly, you need some way to figure out whether to continue the loop or to end it. Here's a flow chart for a loop that does a task 10 times. We know how to set a counter and add one to it. The question is how to do a test for the condition that tells us whether to continue the loop or not. To test a condition, you need to use one of these relational operators. You use a less than symbol to test whether one value is less than another or not. When C was invented, graphic terminals were nearly non-existent and extremely expensive, so there was no way to directly type a less than or equal to symbol, which is why we have to type it this way in C. Greater than and greater than or equal follow the same pattern. To test if two values are equal, we use two equal signs in a row. This is important. A single equal sign means assignment. A double equal sign asks the question, are these two values the same? Finally, we have this symbol for not equal to. All of these operators return zero for false and one for true. Here's a program that shows several conditional tests. Again, all of these will return a value of zero if the condition is false, or one if the condition is true. And here's the output of the program.


So, everyone is still reeling from the white supremacist terror attack that took place in El Paso and at a time when we're all seeing first hand how deadly white supremacy is.  In fact, it's a hoax. And this, you know, it's not surprising coming from a white supremacist like Tucker Carlson, but you would think that he'd have a filter, right? You would think that he would resort to more dog whistles because saying things like this, especially at a time when we're all paying attention to the threat that white supremacy poses, you would think he would just know better, right?  And in this segment, you're going to see him tell you why white supremacy is not a real issue. In fact, it's a hoax.  But the whole thing is a lie. If you were to assemble a list, a hierarchy of concerns or problems this country faces, where would white supremacy be on the list? Right up there with Russia, probably. It's actually not a real problem in America. The combined membership of every white supremacist organization in this country, would they be able to fit inside a college football stadium? I mean, seriously. This is a country where the average person is getting poorer, where the suicide rate is spiking. White supremacy, that's the problem. This is a hoax. Just like the Russia hoax. It's a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power. That's exactly what's going on. That was disgusting. He's just, he's shameless. He is shameless.  He's telling Trump supporters exactly what they want to hear. But he's misinforming people and it's gross. Here's what he says. If you were to establish a hierarchy of concerns of problems this country faces, where would white supremacy be on the list?  Especially if you are the target of white supremacists. Did the El Paso shooting not demonstrate how deadly white supremacy is? It's not just that it's a small issue. It's deadly dipshit. How do you not realize this? Because he's in a bubble. He's an elite. He's rich. And he has white privilege and he probably wouldn't acknowledge that, but he doesn't care. He spends all day complaining about immigrants. Gets paid millions of dollars every single year to fear monger about immigrants like Ilhan Omar who are dangerous. And then he has the nerve to say that white supremacy isn't an issue. It's a hoax. During a week when there was a white supremacist terror attack and over 20 people were killed.   He says it's actually not a real problem in America. Maybe it's not a real problem to you. He says white supremacy is a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power. Now, white supremacy is absolutely a tool used to divide. But it's not the people who condemn white supremacy who are using it to be divisive. It's the president who you stand for and do propaganda for. Who is locking human beings in cages, who's using white supremacy to divide. When you fear monger about immigrants like Ilhan Omar and say that they pose a danger to this country, that is white supremacy for purposes of sowing social discord. That's what's the problem. See, because you use white supremacy because it's really convenient to blame all of the country's economic and social and cultural issues on immigrants and people with no money and no power, especially if that means that you're protecting our capitalist overlords by getting everyone to turn their attention to people who aren't the real problem, who aren't causing problems. You know, but it's a nice distraction, right? When you say, hey, immigrants are dangerous. That gets people to turn away as the capitalist overlords stab them in the back. So he's right about white supremacy being divisive, but it's being used by Republicans.  Like for a party and for a person like Tucker Carlson who repeatedly denounce the use of identity politics.  Now, someone who knows firsthand about how deadly and dangerous white supremacy is, is Heather Haier's mother. And for those of you who don't remember, Heather Haier was tragically murdered by a white supremacist terrorist in 2017 at Charlottesville. Now, her mother responded to what Tucker Carlson had said there and what she said was really poignant. Mr. Carlson lives in a studio, I suppose. His world revolves around a studio. Maybe he would like to visit some of the places where people have been injured by white supremacy before making such a statement. There are always people who want to cry hoax. It's both a comfort to them to think that the world is not as bad as it appears to be. It's also a way of distancing themselves from any of the responsibility for dealing with those evils in the world. So I would say he probably is well aware in his heart that that is not true, but it's easier to say it that it is to do something about it. Two years ago, Susan, you lost your daughter, and so I just have two last questions for you. One, how can all Americans honor her? I often refer to a motto that Heather adopted before she died. She put it on her Facebook page. She did not write it. The writer is unknown, but the phrase is, or the statement is, if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. And I tell people to be outraged, but in a way that can drive you to positive action. Turn that outrage into energy to motivate you to get involved, to get up out of your seat, stop ringing your hands and going, gee, somebody should do something about it, and step up to the plate. And once you step up, then continue on with that and step out into direct action. We call that hashtag step up, step out. You can't just sit idly by and hope that the world's going to solve all the problems for you. It's time for everybody to join in. What do you miss most about her? Last question quickly. Her laugh. Now I let that clip play out a little bit because I really think that it's important for people to see that white supremacy causes pain. Like you heard the pain in her voice caused by this deadly ideology, and it was incredibly important to see how this affects people. And it's not like it just affected Heather Hire and her mother. White supremacy is an issue that we have to grapple with as a country. This is an ideology that has seen a resurgence since the internet became more widespread because people who were white supremacists and afraid to vocalize their white supremacist viewpoints, they found out that there were other people online who felt the same way that they felt and then Donald Trump got elected. So white supremacy is becoming fashionable again because people like Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump, they're not afraid to vocalize their white supremacist ideology. But what Heather Hire's mom there said was just so on point. She says, there are always people that want to cry hoax. It's both a comfort to them to think the world is not as bad as it appears to be. It's also a way of distancing themselves away from any of the responsibility for dealing with the evils of the world. Yeah, she also said that it's something that he knows is true.  But she made the point that it's easier to say that than to actually do something about white supremacy. Because think about this. Tucker Carlson, if he denounced white supremacy, he would lose support. Donald Trump supporters tune in to hear him complain about how immigrants are ruining the country. So if he came out and unequivocally condemned this deadly ideology, even if that's the moral thing to do, he would lose support. So he knows what's right. He's just career minded. I just, I don't know how he sleeps with himself at night. I'd rather not have a career than have to do what he does.  Now I want to show you a list of Tucker Carlson's leading advertisers. I will link you to the full list down below. And look, if you purchase any of the products from these advertisers, why don't you give them a call and let them know what they're supporting?  And, you know, tell them that you don't want to spend your money on their products and understand that these types of advertiser boycotts, they are rarely effective because if they flee Tucker Carlson show, which they have in the past, they come right back when nobody's looking.  So these are rarely useful and Tucker Carlson has the habit of, you know, not, not apologizing and always doubling down. So this is most likely not going to be effective. But I don't know what else to do, you know, and before you say, oh, well, this is censorship. If you want an advertiser boycott. No, this is freedom of speech. This is the way that freedom of speech works.  That's what freedom is about. I'm not trying to stifle speech by saying we should do an advertiser boycott of Tucker Carlson. I'm using my speech to speak out against speech that I don't like. That's the way that freedom of speech works. That's the way the marketplace of ideas works. So, I mean, I don't know what else to say about this. If you haven't gotten, you know, the drift yet about Tucker Carlson, if you haven't figured out what's up with him, if you haven't picked up what he's putting down yet, I don't know what else he has to do.  The man is a white supremacist and now he's espousing dangerous rhetoric. He's saying white supremacy doesn't exist and it's a hoax. We'll know. He disproves the notion that white supremacy is a hoax because he goes on television every single day and espouses white supremacist ideology and rhetoric. He is proof that white supremacy is alive and very much is real. And it's something that we all need to combat and need to fight against and denounce unequivocally because this is not just a dangerous ideology. This is a deadly ideology that we all need to condemn and fight to stop.


Topography! The physical form or shape of a behavior. The way a behavior looks. There's lots of examples of this. Take, for example, the beautiful flames that I have just drawn for you. They're right there. Those ones are nice flames, but these ones don't look so nice. These ones right here. God, those are ugly. So, topography of response, topography of behavior. How the behavior looks so I can draw those things in particular ways. How someone walks, they could get along and they're hitched and they get along. That sort of thing. It's a topography of response. The way in which I inform my words could be a topography of response.  I'm twiddling my ring. I'm twiddling. So, how does that look? The way my finger is moving. That's a topography of response. The fact that my finger is moving is a response. How it's moving is the topography. How it looks. Sometimes it's really really important like when you're doing swimming or high jumping or things like that. All of the stuff where you need to make sure you do it in a particular way, otherwise you're doing it wrong. Sometimes topography doesn't matter at all. I don't know what. I suppose how you talk sometimes doesn't matter at all, but sometimes it does. So, you get the idea, right? It's just how a behavior looks. Topography, topographical, the way something looks. That's it.