critique I would say I mean the the reviews that I would say that reviews that don't have spoiler Imagine that was for every product, right ads that didn't have spoilers for just any other product Like byard buy this new john deere ridin on mauler We're not going to tell you how good it is We're not going to tell you about the gas mileage or the reliability or what kind of gas it takes or How long it could run on batteries stuff like that because we don't want to spoil it for you I could tell you how this gun shoots, but that would be uh, that would be spoiling I could tell you about the reliability issues, but I don't want to spoil the experience for you. Just give us your money Tell me like the I don't know how I would personally define review feels a little bit like it would probably be pretty broad, but Most people Fuck wentons one, but I also say fuck the one that says it's a recommendation on whether or not you should buy or not Like I just like um, I would have I would way more prefer to appeal It is a person's perspective on the thing Of course you can from that get an idea of recommending or not and some people will include that in their videos They will say I do recommend this or I don't that's fine, but that's not all a review is Yeah, I would I would say a review is I if if we had to get down to what is Necessary to make something review. I would I would say it's some form of analysis on us on the subject. Sure um It could be totally with or without an intent to Sway someone one direction or the other it could be a totally straight You know this chair I'm going to review this chair It is this dimension by this dimension by this dimension.  He's gonna he's gonna say if you are good review, you only need x amount of time Even though he's not against the long reviews, but apparently he is because yeah We're also on theme the previous video said to be a true critic blah blah blah this one's saying to be a good Critic I think he said let's just roll it back Yeah, I roll the last Jedi he did it towards rise of Skywalker. He did it all that stuff First of all the point of a review So if just to just before this goes on did this person kill this monster then leave and then come back and kill it again I wasn't paying attention to the footage honestly They might have ran off to heal or something to inform you on whether or not you want to watch a movie So at most if you want to be like a really critical good reviewer You would only need like maybe 20 20 to 30. No by your standard You'd need literally less than 30 seconds by your standard. Yeah, I like this movie. It was good. Go watch it Yeah, that's all you need How have you arrived at this number? Why why 20 minutes? I don't know. I don't know why that would be all the time that you can pick out tell me that like Why why 20 of all the times to pick why a third of an hour? Why then? That's so much he wants 30 minutes minutes at the very most to give away very details. Obviously spoiler heavy opinions It's obnoxiously long to the point where if you just said that you don't care if it's a longer view If it's well made and then you say it's too long.  Oh my god.  Not just the commentary like when they have like professionals that have been working in the industry I remember Watching a lot of us and like disney movies when they're talking about oh, this is the difference between like mary blare disney movie and then like the other types of animation and they're doing a review of the genre of animation and You know, those are like Hours long. Well, that's the thing when when you get into it If someone said like how long can the director talk about their movie?  Yeah, we're the we're the ones who constantly get lambasted for Oh, they say that there's objectively a right and wrong and this that and the other thing And they're the ones who also say 20 minutes is all you need for a review What if it's 25?  You know for a fact if they were here right now They'd say, um, that's cool 25. It's fine. It's like 30. Yeah, 30s. Okay 35 What changed? Yeah, well, it was the line. What happened? All right, we found the line where you go and So what why then why 35? Tell me why it's obnoxiously long because it's obnoxiously long.  I don't know. Maybe if you watched it, you'd find out Yeah I mean I haven't spent zero time on making this basically But you could put a little bit of time and just like, hey, I'm gonna make this video and rag this thing Maybe I could man.   Oh, yeah the the hyperspace kamikaze That's just a nitpick. I don't believe anyone anymore when they say it you're just nitpicking I don't think anyone's thought about the use of the term nitpick Beyond the thing I don't like go away Like he he hasn't even watched all he he says he has watched my video. I don't believe him But he hasn't watched mine 11 minutes, right? 12 oh, yeah, I watched 12 assuming this that they're not lying and I'm not ready to give this Person the benefit of the doubt They're a dragon.  I'm like There's a level of research you do on source material before you comment on it, you know But you should just do it should just be a normal thing that you do I don't know. Maybe I'm just old school. Maybe I'm an old boomer I think you should study like it's It's not nitpicking. Yeah, that's just that's my style He doesn't say anything new for the most part He just recaps the entire plot of the movie and this says well, I think this is dumb Yeah, this guy just read it and my critique of that is that you missed the bigger point Oh my god, like what? No, this is just the the forest for the tree shit, which every time it's brought up just reverse the argument Yeah, every tree is rotted and infested with insects and it's diseased and it's dying It's a fire hazard, but look at the forest. There's there's a lot of shitty trees He's so beautiful of you, but look at the you're missing the message of captain marvel Which is women can stand up Yeah, that's what that was something I was just like, okay. Well, I guess that makes all the shitty writing. Okay When we're literally just going through and writing down every critique you have of everything That's yeah, it gets to the point where it's just long-winded for the sake of being long-winded and you're No, it doesn't mean we don't leave shit out. We want to be thorough Yeah, so the point is the for everything like we categorize it down usually into the four So writing is the umbrella and then the four pillars if you will Everything in the movie writing wise will fall into one of the four being character plot world theme, right?   And if he's like that's just you just nitpicking that scene They're like, oh Okay. Well, I I don't know. I just see these every every action She takes is going to be important to judging her as a character. That's how I would justify So I was thinking So like it's okay For a story to be two hours and five minutes That's okay. That's appropriate. Yes But you cannot review it in more than 20 Because even though two hours and five minutes because because I could just I could just assert and say Based on nothing that two hours and five minutes way too long for a story I've got things to do. You're just giving me details that I don't need I got places to be 30 minutes tops for a story. All right Stop with this self masturbatory artsy fartsy nonsense. All right. Just tell me that she can stand up.   What what is preferable? I don't know I don't know. Um, I think faulty proof at least gives you something to talk about Yeah But also like why why make it long if this is why the video is so long Oh, sorry, everybody's saying he sent a super chat one sec Oh This guy sent us super chat the thought plickens as rags would say Uh Hi guys little embarrassed here. This video was not that good. I admit I cut this out of my video I left it and I left it unlisted. I appreciate the critique Yeah I mean I'm cool with that Yeah, yeah Uh, okay Do we do we continue then? What's what's the what's the MO? I don't really care. I think we've I I guess there's a curiosity part of me that wants to see what's said about my video because this is sort of A lot of this has gone into Like now now we're on the you we're on the you thread And we were on the one about the captain marvel reviews and stuff and the reddit thing and the usual suspect stuff We haven't talked about my video all that much and I guess I'm maybe I could skip around and see if they go back to my video Because I'd be curious what they have to say Um, maybe we could just carry well. Yeah, I don't know wherever you want to go I'll check a little bit more of it Or we can go back to where we were I don't know something So I expected better from you rags. I really did But okay, um, we're we're not really that far through the video So maybe maybe there's a remote chance where he'll at some point justify this video. By the way, I mean, there's an hour or 10 minutes Yeah, it's it's painful the the structure of just you listen to fall But it's rags has counted the arguments that have been presented so far And you're like, what if you'll justify? I'm not even sure what what opinion Um is being looked to just to be justified right now. I'm not sure um, I think Like I I don't I don't recall doing this But if an hour if a video was let's say an hour long and I was five minutes in and I haven't gotten like anything juicy yet That's okay Because I still have 55 more minutes of content and it's full of something You know, it's 54 minutes of something so I'd assume. Yeah, sure in the first in the first 5% of your video or whatever I I don't know if you that's where all of your good stuff would be You know, you'd want to And plus this this video is clearly following a structure Which is commenting Off of his video his video is the blueprint for mine So if he saw something in the middle of his video, then it won't be until around the middle of mine that I get to it And if I cover their intros as well, then that's probably not going to be the most substantive stuff Everyone's saying it by odd. I mean, I'm not against it. Uh I could could watch the rest with him Good To well, so send me um, give me a message on discord. Um I think it was it karina versus instead of I don't know if to call them smug or not. I don't know if that's their actual name Um, yeah drop drop a drop a thing. This should be a link to the discord in In the description, so it's poke me on on discord. I'll keep an eye out for it Remember what this kid was talking about before rags just went on insufferable rants Did anybody rants? I don't think they were even ranty Honestly, I think it was fairly succinct.  What are you? Why have you lost the thread? You've lost the thread completely But it's not ridiculous detail You even said you even had to like look it up and stuff yourself. I I wasn't going into ridiculous ridiculous detail I was just referring to some of the controversies and saying yeah, this is probably why people talked about it It made sense. It was very straightforward. It was very simple That's like you forgot kid was even talking about I only remember spider man because I've seen this video before but No rags is like so when rags built this video it would be he's playing it He is what brand table says responds to it then continues. There's no like it's going to be really hard for rags to lose the plot Yeah, it is it is legitimately really difficult. I I really like this structure of video Really easy to follow through with and you and sorry I want to make a separation between what rags is doing what we are doing right So so rags puts this into a timeline and then animates all the stuff on top of it and thus has to listen going through it I listen to it so much because that the visual animations here animations are stretched but putting the pictures on I have to Like it it's matched up to the words. I have to pay a lot of attention to the words Which helps me at it by the way because sometimes I catch things in the Visual part that I'm like, oh wait, that's obviously it's not a thing But theoretically like if I would if if that was the only thing we did I could after every one of them rewatch them and chop out every last piece of of pause or miss speaking and and you know refine them as podcasts which is You know just another format of video making and what i'm suggesting is the rags would have heard his responses He would have heard the arguments and then he would have he knows what he's doing It's just really this format is really obnoxious It is notice that this video is almost two hours long By the way, this is my favorite I think this is my favorite format to listen to other people do as well because I get like two videos in one Well, funnily enough, yeah I don't know sound It's not gonna sound biased because I I made a similar type of thing before it even knew you existed So yeah, we we both like this kind of thing and then if have is that kind of thing The video plays we talk that we let the video carry on Isn't this literally his format right now? Yes Yeah, I guess so, yeah Wow, like I'm busy doing a thing. Why don't you follow something? Uh, you're like an old man fart.  Yeah, turn it up Turn on my mic. Sorry about that. Um I haven't used discord very often.  This is not really representative of what I this doesn't really represent me as well as it should Um, all right Uh, I'm trying to think of So let's just try and I'm trying to think of what was like in the video. So Uh, the controversy is with captain marvel like so do you do rags? His point was that everyone's still talking about captain marvel because loads of shit happened around the movie rather than just being the movie like that was why My addition to the the trailers and the fact the film was out and the deleted scenes had brought it back into This course of film and there's a lot of info that we can use and it's very content rich Mm-hmm Even brown table eventually Fought what he said here was kind of stupid the whole like why don't people talk about spider-man it's coming out It's like there's nothing to say about spider-man other than like yeah, it's cool that it's coming out looking forward to it But um captain marvel like I don't know if you remember when the deleted scene came out with the dawn and everything It just reignited the whole discussion feel yeah, like a lot of people Defending it and defending say oh captain marvel you go girl You you show that guy what and they were defending her behavior and actions And it was like really disgusting and that's what this whole video is about is brown table is essentially defending her actions and that is I mean thus the name of the video what captain marvel does in that scene is outright villainous and horrific I can understand that yeah, and to be honest. I feel dumb because in that same video I didn't I didn't get to the whole deleted scene.  So I'm All right, well, but um At the same time, I do have an opinion on that deleted scene. It was kind of um So I remember you saying you guys laughing at the the whole sexual harassment kind of thing and I thought well wait a minute now If well, that's because it's not sexual harassment.  That's why we laughed at it Well, I know I think um, well, I'm a bit of a contentious thing about that because it's uh, if you like Could you picture yourself doing that getting yourself in her face when she clearly ignores? He's not in her face at all. That's that's not really the case Not like in her face in her face, but I mean he's not in her face Yeah, they're at a they're at a totally normal distance between two that two people would be at for any conversation in public I will admit um assaulting him. I don't think he deserved that at all Yeah And and we said that we even said that him with the map was like I wouldn't do that myself I don't think he should have done that, but I think that's such a tiny thing Like if I if I was if I was captain marvel and especially knowing what my what I was capable of like power level wise Knowing that this guy could not possibly even dream of harming me in any way I would Certainly not go to that level, but even if it was just like one person and another person I would be like that that'd be annoying and I'd say what are you doing? Like you're being a weird person like this isn't isn't helping your case or I don't I don't want to talk Um, but yeah, I think her reaction to his his slight slight was uh Extreme in villainous Yeah, and I don't know if I would classify how about a smile as like like how we classifying I just To go in this far because I feel like at that point like I don't know man.  Let's just go crazy So it's violence. I mean like I was looking at it at the perspective of I would definitely not do this in real life And if somebody did that to me in real life, I would be Faked out if you're if you're a woman and some man approaches you like that All right, I'm a woman Let's talk about this if a man approached me and asked me If I was lost making fun of what I'm wearing because if I was wearing that then yeah That seems like a logical thing Uh, he was not sexually harassing her in any way Uh, he was flirting with her.  He did absolutely nothing wrong She was the one that offered The handshake that initiated the contact. She was the one that was an asshole the entire time So there is absolutely no excuse and trying to say oh, let me put myself in like the shoes of a woman uh I don't know any woman that's going to watch that scene And think that you know, he was the one doing anything wrong Again, I don't think the um What she what he did was that was that bad in retrospect and admittedly knowing that that happened afterwards And I didn't kind of show that made me look really bad. I I will admit that straight up. Yeah, and uh I and one of the biggest criticisms when I only covered 11 minutes of the video and that's yeah And I'm fighting like well, you know, I listened to this and I'm kind of like I already feel like he's kind of Being a little bit dishonest with brown table. Immediately. I didn't know who brown table was like if I knew him better Maybe I would understand. Well, I don't know brown table. Really I have I've just gone by what he says in his videos that he posts publicly and the stuff that he comments on I don't feel like I have to know him To you know respond to the things he's saying and if he doesn't believe them then he shouldn't say them And present them as what you know what he believes in what he thinks um I I don't I don't feel like I have to get into his psyche to really I mean It might be interesting to know it might inform me as to why he's saying the things he's saying But I I don't think that would be like an excuse Yeah, so that um, I probably should have I could have done a lot better on That this video was the reason I don't do live Does anymore because I found I get lazy with them. So yeah, and admittedly I did that well, what is um Is there anything that I say in the video that you do? Uh, like still have a contention with anything that I say that you disagree with anything That still would hold up that we can talk about I would say the only major thing is really that captain marvel is one of the worst movies ever made. I was kind of like Well, you know, I think your point hinged on that quite a lot saying that just like Um, not really actually, um, it's it's actually totally the so captain marvel could have been a nine out of ten incredible stellar movie But this video is about the deleted scene Specifically brown table's opinion on the deleted scene and the stuff that he says about people who have an issue with it um, the quality of the film doesn't even really have Anything to do with the points that I'm making He just thinks that the film is good or that it's okay Or whatever it is. And so I think that it's terrible Um, if you ever do I know an hour and 51 minutes is you know It's almost two hours of time to devote to something that you might not have an interest in But there is a reason I do bring up Mahler's video. It is very comprehensive Um, it goes into a lot of the issues with the film. I suppose we can jump over to that You um, I I suppose from my title you thought that I was trying to say that I found it to be a middling movie It represents my emotional response But what I'm talking about like structural with writing is a disaster in that film It takes me two hours to go through every single thing they they fuck up in the movie But at the end I'm like Yeah, it was captain captain marvels are very very like like it doesn't move me in in anger or in celebration or anything It was it was such a meh experience and yet the writing itself though is like I said structurally characters plot willed and um Thematically trying to argue like the the issue is is uh women need to believe that Like that their power is just uh being repressed But it doesn't make sense because captain marvel beats the person who's telling her to to like hey chill out Stop stop expressing yourself. Let's say allegorically. She beats him and at the end of the film He's like hey, give me a fair fight and she says no and beats him There's no I don't understand how that could possibly Give anybody any sense of a message about like how to operate as a as a woman in real life when facing oppression She doesn't face any Um her her her neck brace the thing that keeps her depower doesn't even work And but but it wouldn't matter if it did because she's still more powerful And basically anybody in the movie prior to it being released and afterwards she's godlike No one can beat her We're lucky that Thanos managed to get the lucky punch off Yeah, this like the issues with captain marvel they bleed over into other movies and even retcon prior ones Um, it's not an isolated bad movie. Which is unfortunate. Um, it's well That's why some movies that are really terrible sort of get quote unquote a pass because they're sort of self contained Uh captain marvel as a movie kind of fucks with other shit, um, which is annoying certainly and it's definitely not something that we want to encourage No, I take it and um, originally you guys saw the old version I guess somebody downloaded it and sent it to you because yeah that version has been And that oh really? Yeah, I've got uh, I've got it and Uh, if it did would is there that's why I'm I was asking a moment ago Like what I guess what what holds up. That's why we've kind of stopped. I suppose Um, what like holds up in terms of Stuff I said that was wrong or incorrect or anything that I said that I guess is is still Like you still have an issue with because we could talk about it and we can uh, we could say it holds up or not Uh, the biggest thing admittedly. I think the whole deleting reviews thing was uh, been a misinformation because I saw On um on a google which part which part was the information? Uh, which part was the misinformation? It was right around um, like them deleting reviews. It was about like to increase the tomatoes for right? So they would say oh, they're deleting negative reviews so they can increase the tomatoes for As far as I know, that's what happened Yeah, you're actually disputing that they deleted like 50 000 reviews I'm not I'm not disputing that. I said that was true. No, I said that was true But like that's the only point that's pretty true from my point to be accurate And yeah, my whole the whole point that I was making was that because of that happening reasons aside motivations aside the fact that it was done Is enough to get you to be like, okay So they deleted 54 thousand reviews That's something that people are going to notice and they're going to talk about and there's going to be speculation And people are going to present information on you know, both sides The reason doesn't really matter as long as it actually happens No, not even that even if it didn't happen, but everybody was talking about it potentially happening That's still a controversy that generates attention Actually, yeah, it makes a lot more sense now. Um Yeah, it makes sense Um, um, what was uh, how do you think it was this is on that the like the whole um, oh, yeah Oh, yeah, so I know uh rags. I'm pretty familiar with your channel. I've watched quite a few videos I like your videos back in the day Um, so I know you know, uh, what review bombing is right. Um, I was just wanted to ask how do you They're just deleting review bomb I I don't know Yeah, but then again, that's not related to your point. So yeah, I so my current belief is I think that rotten tomatoes Would especially because we're talking about disney here and the mouse knows no moral boundaries um I Your rise of skywalker thinks a good example. So I've seen some videos of people who have malon is an excellent example um, so With the rise of skywalker, it has been perpetually on rotten tomatoes at 86 approval rate from pretty much its inception To I think it's still the case. In fact, I can check but the rise of skywalker Because I'm actually a little bit curious Tomatoes Let's give this a clicky click here. It is currently 86 positive after 98,259 So it's really suspect that you have an audience score that stays at perpetually 86 positive Really really weird, especially with how pand it's getting by critics and with all of the all the stuff that's going on with You know in film stuff In this doubly so after the Whether you hated it or loved it The divisiveness of the last gen i right so You have people coming out and saying so I went through a lot of these reviews and they have a lot of copy pasted stuff A lot of these reviews are super positive and they use the same Like copy pasted comments that they've been able to control f fine stuff of that nature. So I believe that rotten tomatoes Absolutely has a They're not to be fully trusted when it comes to this stuff And I know that disney has a lot of say in the industry. They do a lot of shenanigans Um, they don't really have any moral scruples So I totally believe that numbers are not always what they seem I'm More convinced than not Especially nowadays that when people say oh the bots. Oh the trolls. It's just used as a dismissive kind of You know, sort of it's used dismissively Like if we just call this group, maybe it's true is think maybe it's true that it is a huge amount of bot accounts But I'm extremely Suspect of whenever people use that as a as an excuse to do anything That makes any sense No, I hear you and you know a lot of that is hard to argue with so um, I Disney does have plenty of reason to um Take down negative reviews and all that stuff and you know, that's that's really hard to argue with Yeah, like if if this was a if this was a little indie film by um by by just some company or whatever and I mean, I think that the issue is that when disney's involved with stuff This is why I have a lot of I guess I don't borderline personal issues with we call them disnoids Here on e-fab people who are like super fans of disney products when disney is a very very sketch company right Like I Whenever they're involved with things my brow. It goes up. I've got some I've got some questions And I'm very skeptical a lot of stuff when it goes around with them Disney has been very progressive in a lot of the ways that you know, the force is female and etc etc so with captain marvel and it's very pro-women feministy kind of Um message whether you agree with it or not Um, I think that it would be in their best interest to really make it seem as if it did good if it didn't Then again, it made a lot of money. So How much of that is owed to which sections is it because it became it came right before in game? Is it because of the insane marketing done? Is it because of media hype? Reasons be what they may There's a lot of Yeah, there's a lot of variables and I think a lot of it is Just being able to recognize regardless of whether or not it's true The controversy itself can be worth discussing either way Um, and let's say that it is totally 100 true that 54,000 of those reviews that were deleted Were actually totally they were bots. They were downvote negative bots and which case then I would be like Yeah, it was a good thing that they deleted them But I don't trust disney and I don't trust rotten tomatoes. They ruined that trustworthiness And that's one of those long-term negative impacts that companies have on people when they're constantly pulling these, you know shenanigans Oh, sorry, that was my bad. No, no you're fine. Go ahead Someone talk. Yeah Give me a second guys. I'll be right back. Yeah, um Anna. What are you gonna say? Oh, I was just gonna say, um, well remember they removed the entire want to see because it got down to like 17 percent So they just removed that. Yeah from rotten tomatoes Didn't they do something with tlj where they got rid of um They added that something happened. I think it was I forget what it was Um, I wish I could remember at the moment, but they changed it might have been rotten tomatoes They changed something about how reviews were tallied or able able to be entered in because of tlj um I don't know. Maybe it'll come maybe it's put in chat can jog my memory I think I heard a story about that too. Yeah, they changed it around that which uh I mean they changed they changed the rules sometimes.  I'm subscribed to his channel. I think he's pretty good Okay, I have so many questions for you now I Was the I thought you said that all I do is nitpick to pad out the time Well, um, yeah, there's a reason uh, and yeah, that's the reason probably the reason I stripped it out That's all I feel like that's only sometimes true. There's a little bit Sometimes there's those little bits but like then again, I'm not really against nitpicking. So I don't know why I said that I was well, what's your definition of a nitpick if I can ask Like what would be an example of something that was just a nitpick that moller had in this video I wish I could point to a specific Well, well, what is a fundamentally? What would you classify as a nitpick? What is something that um might go on on about at length for like longer than necessary that doesn't really uh I guess it will change between people but like something extremely minor that you don't um, they To just like the way we say it is it's a valid complaint But it's a small complaint that has not a huge amount that affects much of anything, but it's still valid So I can understand that you you it sounds like you were saying that um, it's not just that it's the amount of time spent on it Uh, that almost makes you feel as though it's a it's maybe goes from nitpicking to excessive nitpicking And um, I suppose the reason I was probably looking for an example is that there may be nitpicks in in my captain moll review I feel like I do Nitpick in my videos, but I don't consider it a bad thing So I usually try and be proportional with my time on it versus how effective it is in terms of Fucking things up. Um, but of course we were talking about this just before you arrived Hello Greedo considers the hyperspace kamikaze a nitpick which Baffles us like that. It's a major fuck-up that screws up space battles forever If if you were to say something like that about my captain moll video about a particular point We would all be like, oh, oh gosh that that's a nitpick Um, so yeah, that's probably where the confusion might lie, but um, a lot of people use nitpick to mean a lot of different things That's all Yeah, that's true.  I probably should have clarified, but again, I was live I would I'm very good live if I was writing a script. I would have been better. I would have said moller I generally like his content. I like what he does. I've watched your thing on H bomber guys dark souls 2 defense. I watched that quite a lot. That was one of my favorite Long with outlaw. Um, you talked about that one guy, uh Yeah, no Um, yeah, well, yeah, it seems like you like the gaming ones more than the movie ones. Maybe Yeah, so maybe maybe I'm just not versed on the movie ones. I do like, um, I watched more of the gaming stuff And I enjoyed them. I think they were really good. Yeah, I mean It's funny a lot of people cite the the ds2 stuff as their favorite things from from my channel I don't know if it's because they hate h bomber guy It's because I'm in it. Yes because mel's feature Kind of pretty out of panion on h bomber guy on one respect I like him when he does when he does his research on stuff, but other times when he gets a bit obnoxious on this Yeah, the only other thing I was I was interested in asking you is like, what do you think a review is supposed to be? Okay, so yeah, I I would join the I joined the I had around that point where you guys are telling me like, oh, how long does a review have to be and yeah I I did not explain that very well at all So what I was basing that off of is I usually watch things like red leather media Angry joe's review was about 30 minutes long. So I'm kind of like, you know If you were to get into everything in a movie And get around to like every single thing and maybe even every critique you usually would take 30 minutes At least I'm basing that off of the videos that I've watched on youtube 25 to 30 minutes. I didn't explain that and it sounds kind of dumb to But something yeah, you could talk about it as long as you want. Yeah, I just realized how dumb that's Yeah, because I think the red leather media rise of skywalk one. Isn't that 90 minutes? So 19 minute Star Wars review Oh, sorry, they call it is 70 minutes So an hour and 10 which is still if you would be okay with an hour and 10 I don't see why two hours would be unreasonable at that point. I guess Yeah, and immediately I watched a little bit of the captain marvel. I I probably Should have and that was actually the big thing rag sided So if I were to go after him on oh, you didn't explain why captain marvel is well He kind of cited a video. So I don't be dumb of me to assume that Yeah, and mostly it's just the quality of the film didn't really matter To the point of the video.  You're the horrible people So I'm I'm one one thing you should know about me. I'm a very open-minded person I am I you know I make I admittedly I do make fun of people on my channel You know I do that stuff, but I don't ever do it for no good reason And I don't hate anyone I ever talk about I just I just give my opinion and I'm a little bit annoying I could be a little bit random But um, I don't I don't actively hate anybody. I'm just I just like to get critiques Obviously, I didn't do as good as I should have Very all right. Uh, yeah, um, I would say though that I I don't think that there's any uh When it when it comes to jokes about uh, exploding porta potties at the Tucson burrito festival I I don't think that's particularly in it particularly an anti-svw joke I think that joke is so incredible that it transcends all I was live I was live.  Sometimes I just sound like you're fucking G I I guess it's just a matter of because I used to be more like this And I think I've mellowed out a lot more in that aspect and tried to be more objective And I think beef apps helped me a lot with that um, I guess not to I guess not to have don't be wearing the goggles. Don't be don't have the lenses on Ironic as that might sound but uh, don't have these lenses on in front of you Where you're I guess trying to seek out the reasoning for everything Uh, because sometimes like we see it all the time with like movie analysis where people try to dig really deep into why some things happen And sometimes it's just you know, it's really simple.     I know I I remember when that tweet came out and everybody was posting pictures of a beat-up bloody joel And they're like, yeah a happy father's day. That's what we were as we were all feeling. Yeah That that that game was a trip The last of us too.  They've been staggering their argumentation. Absolutely. They've been rough Yeah And mainly I saw angry Joe ripping into it and like hearing him explain it is just like, oh my god They actually wrote this like but granted I can kind of forgive a bad story because games are just really tough to make And they take multiple years and they have staff changes in between that too So like things will get lost in translation.  Um, that's true Uh, especially the first game really really simple story It's just people are really attached to the characters and really good character work can save a dollar even a bad storyline Yeah, man dollar bad plot They've been working on that game for almost a decade. They had plenty of time to get it right and they didn't Well, I think they executed exactly what they thought they just thought it was good Yeah, they thought like the from the from the hero superhero cards of their names and everything and the way that they've been talking Like man, the writers for the last of us who thought they were hot shit Certainly druckman does so He was in christmas of halloween christmas of halloween question guests main like guests because if we asked everybody would just be stacked full I can't be doing that All right. Well, I appreciate you for letting me on mauler. I've taken every criticism and um, I I object to very little of it.  There's j morey already It's no mind gaming just right could technically count with the u thing that happened. Yeah, uh Uh closer look Um Yes chat helps out But we've got some Yeah, tonal Yeah, tonal. That's right. Yeah, of course It's hard to even think that at one at one point. He was uh on the other side of things, but um Yeah major league right some of the crime work that's Always uh always good when people actually come on it's always uh Yeah, no, thank you um for coming on. I appreciate it I actually didn't think I I would be able to get on here with 6,000 people. I mean, I never thought that would ever happen But um, I'm glad you guys On that when someone someone's video is on and the person is in and chat Yeah, they help us out a lot get him on get her on whatever Who this okay? I sent you two super chats. Yeah, and I was saying like yeah What you got there was the old video, but the newer video wasn't exactly any better. So Uh, yeah Well, I like um, yeah My main goal is I try to be as objective as I can and I negative comments I'm not gonna say they don't bother me, but like, you know, they they do get to me a little bit But I try to be um as objective as I can be I'm not closed-minded The the whole reason I do the series I do on my channel is to try to understand Someone else's arguments and maybe I don't always Um, may I ask you a question? So in the beginning of this video You were talking about how you used to like rags and like his gaming coverage content But then you got on this tangent about how he switched over to like anti sjw So I kind of want to know what the problem was because that had nothing to do with him Covering the video So Um, so he kind of did to be honest. He did Yeah, I definitely did. Yeah I guess it wasn't relevant to his point at all. You're right about that Well, I want to know what like why do you have an issue with that kind of content? Or is it you only specifically like to watch gaming? Stuff because that seems what you like the mall or andrax I know I lost some people when I swapped But I think that was mostly because I established myself as a pc console channel and then eventually it just was I got bored of it of the topic and I think I'd made my point And so I just wanted to move to something else that I found interesting and that I cared about I understand that for sure And I guess it's maybe just uh speaks a little bit to the little politics thing because politics is always a shit flinging contest Which is why I don't like to get into it too much. I like to be a little more away from it myself.  I used to watch your videos I used to like a lot of them, but it was just like they're kind of done Um, I think a lot of them have just sort of kind of they did what I did with pcs and consoles. They just I'll I've I've seen this stuff before I've done it a lot And I guess they just move on to something else because Like with me I'm moving to more media focused stuff. I have no doubt that there will be some Social and political commentary in there at places, but it will be a much smaller portion of the stuff that I say But eventually you just get tired of talking about it It's just especially nowadays when everyone's talking about politics and everyone's talking about this and that and this and that And it's also political and everything so fierce and Just intense and you just sometimes you just want to talk about movies and games and stuff and it seems so much more relatively easy going in a way um So I just wanted to want to break from it for a little bit No, I think you actually pointed out a lot of things that um, I've actually started to that's exactly how I started to feel towards the guys You know, I liked all the far worse stuff I noticed it happening around captain marvel and brie larson like people think i'm a big brie larson fanboy I'm really not I think she's kind of funny sometimes. I don't think she deserved most of the hate she I think she deserved a little bit of it.  I took it as a joke But hopefully everybody else didn't and full of still up contentious with me To this day, but yeah, well, I mean it wasn't supposed to be a joke she said it and at a wrinkle in time panel and she was told to say it by avidou vernay and When the movie itself is about a little girl who is half, you know, white and half black trying to find her white 40-year-old father So it was a very ignorant thing for her to say at that kind of event And I mean it's like you don't even watch the movies that you guys are trying to promote Yeah, and um, as redlet media pointed out, uh, a lot of 40-year-old white dudes on older reviewed it positively Um, yeah, I saw that video too Yeah, no, that's definitely true. And yeah, I agree with all I would agree with all that stuff. It's just like, uh, but um I don't know if this is something about her tone just maybe take it and she said like She could have took that award show what I admire about it a little bit is that Took that award show that could have been about herself and she made it about a bigger issue Now whether you agree with the politics or not Is like it's give or take but the fact that she did that what it could be her chance to just brag about You know being a winner and all that stuff. I find something commendable about that. I like people like that's just me All right, I All right. Yeah, that's Fair enough.  I'm not gonna fangirl for Brie Larson I'm just gonna I'm gonna defend I defend anybody who's treated unfairly If so, if I feel like someone's treated unfairly no matter who they are I will I want to be there to say no, this is not fair I I feel like her her commentary came across as virtue signaling look at look how good I am In a different sort of way It's it's like I I need to appear as if I care about all these things and Unfortunately, that was done by trying to lower somebody else to bring someone else upwards When those things don't Yeah, just I mean Plus a lot of people just don't want Politics and social issues and everything some people want to be able to watch movies and watch sports And just watch movies and watch sports because it just wears a lot of people down um And the in the more and more we see of that the more and more people are just gonna turn away What we see with sports for example um And and getting are getting just kind of getting away from that is something that I sort of want to do to a degree Uh, not leave it, but just to get more into I I guess there was a point in time where I thought oh, we can just review movies and It'll be nice and things will be so much more simple But the more e-fap we do is like oh, you didn't like this movie.     I'm glad I'm out of there The only worst place is probably twitch I've heard a lot of bad stuff a lot of a lot of weird stuff about twitch.   It was so much better like five years ago So we're probably gonna continue with our third video for the night. Um, is there anything else you wanted to talk about? I think I think I've got everything down. No, I agree with all you guys said and I'm glad you got Glad you let me on here mauler. I it's amazing to get to talk to you guys I mean, yeah, and again, thank you for coming on. Thank you for talking through them and uh been fun Mm-hmm. Good stuff I will admit I hesitated a bit. I was good. I was scared chat was gonna hate me But like uh, if I got on here if I if I try to be as reasonable as possible I think I'll be okay in the end and yeah, you know, I'm talking to very reasonable people. So that's good I uh, think that was a good call. I think that was a good decision I think it's gonna definitely be positive for you All right, I will tell you one last thing.  I actually quite like you I think you're I think you're funny. I think you hit the nail on the head a lot of the time Thank you very much But um, obviously when it comes to politics, I'm gonna be a little bit in uh, a little bit of disagreement I don't agree with everything you do and how you portray I just felt like he was portrayed unfairly and But that was my fault for not watching the whole thing Maybe I should have watched brown tables video first before doing that because maybe I would have understood Well, I think I cover all of his video in mine So if you watched if you watched his video then watched my video You'd be watching more than you needed to because I think all of his is in mine um One of the reasons why the video is like an hour and 10 minutes, but um brown tables great He's he's uh, he's great for memes. He says a lot of silly stuff. Um So he's good good content fodder in a way Um I hope to be more of a brown table Okay, so I should I should have actually seen him before I did. Yeah, it was great hanging out with you guys Uh, thanks again for everything No problemo catch you around See you later Well, well yet again e-fap is able to talk to destroyed art destroyed art um So, yeah, I mean, I guess that kind of uh That video is Is it's been covered now? I guess, you know, I don't know what to say.  It's like it. Hmm Well, maybe they didn't want to double up on the word last Someone is it's someone ending the discussion on the last Jedi. We were told by the first video that that's mean Better not be doing it. So yeah I'm gonna do a toilet break first. So yeah, that sounds like Fine everyone do your little toilet brain. I drink so much water I'll I'll just hang out with the cool kids. How you doing Ania? Wow Crazy night, this has been how are we going for? Just just a couple a couple of years Oh my god. We passed four hours already. Okay. Well, I'm sure we'll be fine um Also, I forgot to remove uh people like why is nude rottics linked in the description? Um Going to be trying to trying to get them on at some point today didn't quite work out and that's totally fine We'll uh see about in a couple I'm trying to do a little bit of a round thing on like I miss some people in a hundred. We'll get them on for You know the next few episodes after Um, so yeah, I'll I'll knock that out of the the reupload otherwise. It's just gonna be confusing But um, yeah, uh Soon as they're done peeing we'll we'll check it right out. So it's it's crazy I'm actually at the point.  It's weird I think it's because you guys are so nice So we're totally willing to just like hear them out, which is It doesn't work very well for people who hate the show. I would imagine Mola doesn't ask his guests to talk often enough. Yeah, I'll talk Talk talk talk talk talk There you go. I'll do it for the next few hours All right, sure. All right, it's okay. Um The Overall sort of just uh the theme tonight. I think it's just been you know You gotta you gotta take you gotta look back some of your work sometimes you gotta realize that maybe you aren't A critic and you are a comedian and then you change locations entirely What are you working on these days? Anyway, what's what's next? Am I working on uh, I guess things I'm Kind of working on an Artemis foul. Oh Oh god It was a very foul movie Is that one a movie that works for like a potential reaction thing? Is it is it that bad or is it just meh? It is Yeah, because I'm a huge fan of books First book so It's yeah, it's like it's personal to me how much it actually just kind of destroys everything good about the first book Is it getting a sequel? Then a movie I kind of doubt it they don't they don't set it up in any way that it could actually continue with the books So I don't know I thought it was interesting that like nobody talked about it a few days after it came out Other than sharing that one scene that I saw on Twitter like three times Yeah The one thing that they actually kind of adapted like Literally from the books.  That's like the one thing that they had to take and Well, yeah, I'll be very hesitant to watch it because I read the books when I was a kid And I don't want it to like crush my soul I've not read the book. So I'll be interested to see if it I'm sure I think it's a great movie God What is what is autumn's foul about? Artemis foul. Well Okay, so the author Normally called it died fair I have returned And So, yeah, the first book is an excellent. There's a villain antagonist. He kidnaps a fairy and Uh, how do I how do I describe this? Because the rest of the series isn't anything like that I'm really a fan of the first book Be quite honest. It's yeah. Yeah, it's a villain. Yeah. He kidnaps a fairy for their gold and it's more of a thriller Um Trying to battle against these fairy forces Yeah, I don't I don't really know how to put it Just read the book go read the book you'll understand first book Oh, I'm back kidnapping fairies for the gold. I'm not you know, I'm not interested I didn't Yeah I thought fairies wouldn't like gold because gold is like a Because in the old like in old western mythology you have How fairies couldn't touch like iron it would hurt a fairy if it touched iron because it's like a man-made abomination it would it took stuff from the ground and it it separated it and turned it into shape that warped nature to suit man's desires and wants so it was Like like a fairy of the forest they couldn't touch it That's cultural appropriation.  Okay, this should probably be the last one we have to cover, right? Do we have to though? It's not that long. It'll be fun The last Jedi came 2017 and I for one am sick of hearing complaints about it and having to defend it and arguing with people and essentially just ranting about why people are wrong. I like this.  Yeah, certainly bold one, but you know set the tone Dislike it in the way What is this? What his t-shirt say? I don't know. I guess we'll see it if if he maybe he'll jump now He doesn't look like he can jump but if he like, you know, like list his arms up or Who knows maybe I'm curious. Well, usually they like have that so that way they can promote something So that's why I'm like is that his like brand or something?  They'll have a disney shirt on or something like that Like hey guys, I have a shirt. I'm I know what I'm talking about The way that they do but One more for the road can't hurt. His name is Sean. He talks about things. Oh god It's blue bantha milk. Oh, it's a star wars shirt. That was so right.  That's racist Before we begin, um, check out the links below. No Patreon and our t-public site to get some of this sweet merch Any support that you can give us is much free. It all ties in ranks.  Oh my god We're all everyone's right. We've we've been doing this too many times You all see this like a bird just flew in my house. I'll be right back A bird just flew in your house Cook it. How dare you pay for rent if you wish to stay Appreciate it allow us to keep making content. So, um, yeah on with the show Come on There were two major complaints about you doing that thing.  It's fine. We'll let him go.  Move away from move away from weird art. Get away. No, no I didn't even want to talk about it. Just substantiate your claim. I'm sick of it at all When people say that, I think that they know they are relying on the colloquial Usage of these terms and how floaty they can be and they're relying on people who hear that to fill in the blanks themselves It's just that's sure.  It's intense. How broad it is Be bad and we're using objective here in the sense of like An idea or not even an idea, but like it's a fact. No, this is not part of adherence to a standard Mm-hmm Without bias I mean you can have objective acts if you're gonna use objective in the sense of truth and truth being that which comports to reality Then sure, but that's not really how we're using it when we're talking about it here. Um It doesn't even have to be intrinsic. It's just Does it adhere to a standard or to a definition? I need nice and some feelings and You can't really have that with art art and criticism of art is By definition subjective wrong. It's all bad. So I'm gonna reveal something here. I've already seen this video I had it on when I was playing some full guys. Oh my god. Keep what he just said Keep keep what he just said in mind. It gets very funny based on opinions and particular writers takes and feelings Oh, I'm gonna guess I haven't said I'm chat. I'm not like mauler I'm not a cheater like all the halloweeners are cheaters Just like I said I think they doth protest too much So i'm gonna make a prediction. It's that he Either calls the room Or some other famous bad movie bad without any qualifiers and doesn't even think about it That actually I'm not even referring. I think he does that but i'm referring to something else No I think I think he does that The shirt i'm on fire Their experiences and all that kind of thing So if we were to say that the last jedi was objectively anything If we we'd have to look at the facts and the facts are it got this rotten tomato score Oh my god. What no, what are you doing?  I can't yeah, whatever means fresh and then that counts toward a perfect score A fresh I think is it 60 plus for fresh? I think because a 60 that would be a three out of five stars Which is because a lot of movies use five star system also We ignoring the 60 would make us are we ignoring the tipped over popcorn partly the 44 percent Isn't that it's not the lowest audience? Versus the Yeah, that's what I mean Correct me if i'm wrong, but this is is this the lowest audience score for any stars movie ever Yes, it used to be the point of menace and now it is the last jedi in fact Let's check the job at a menace So jedi said bots all bots The fan of menace rotten tomatoes they Counting the holiday special Oh, yeah, I don't yeah, um I didn't think about counting that. Yeah, so uh the fan of menace has a 53 from critics and a 59 from audiences Hmm Everyone's telling me that cuties is the lowest. Yeah, I I I didn't I don't I wouldn't imagine This is the lowest score on the entire site just of star. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah Like batwoman's lower. Yeah. No, that one actually had some good On on rotten tomatoes, but only had like 10 reviews per episode This metacritic score.  It made this box office. That's Oh my god. Is that the specs you're going by? Yeah, transformers.  You're not defending anything greatly I guess he missed like Did you guys see uh when mar camel was giving like a talk at this college for Actors and he's like just because a movie makes money doesn't mean it's good and then you reference transformers In comparison to the force awakens Yeah, it was it was great. Um, he yeah, he said something about like all that it matters in hollywood It doesn't make money, but that doesn't mean it's a good film. And so I feel like this guy should watch that Also when you bring up that it made 1.3 billion Yeah, it made 700 million less than the movie that came before it And I like to address that it's always they always assume as long as it beats out its budget That means it was a you know brimming success Right at the rooftop. You know, it's like, I don't think so Realistically if we were gonna say it was objectively anything we'd have to say it is objectively good No, no Successful Then that's a stretch If your metric for good is made money, I would really want to question you on how much you actually consistently apply that Because I don't think you do. Yeah We've got to get to the basics Oh my god, that's not how you talk about movies because even Yeah, you're right.   Well, you mean by worst breath. Can you tell that I've done this before? Yeah Troll 2 or the best of the worst movies You got Following and it still packs out midnight screenings So it's meaning well unless unless a movie is hated by you sound like someone on the board of directors He's doing the thing He's the so many people roll this out unless a movie is hated by everybody. It can't be objectively bad It's not consensus. Yeah, I don't know why It must be derived from the definition of like Uh a bad movie is one that is uh disliked and then objectively bad means it can't be liked by anyone That's like the logic they use I guess But what movie is unanimously not liked by there isn't everyone? I know Who said that? Yeah, but it's movies. It's just so it is Where are they getting that idea from? I don't know I've never heard it dead by anybody on either side of anything ever That's just the thing that they've conjured up as the straw man for objective quality All and suddenly and the entire population of the earth How could you say it's objectively bad? That's right. Oh my god.  I'm starting to figure out how Like I'm not even sure. Can this be hip for copyright or is it just is it in meme hood to the point where they don't I don't know. I'm sure I've used this in bits. So I think you're fine Troll 2 Originally when he said troll 2, I thought he was referring to like the new trolls movies like world tour and whatnot. I was like, uh, I mean, I guess it's bad Actually, it's not it's it's pretty funny. Oh, there you go. There you go The second complaint is that this movie is filled with bad writing As though the movie is broken at a building blocks level. Oh Now you're in our court for sure Welcome to our world. Yes. Yes 100 percent. Yes Yeah, now we're talking baby Like the problem is not with the people's opinions of the movies or a dislike It's it's a problem of the craft itself.  I like, okay But bad writing is subjective too Right. So a movie being bad is subjective a movie having bad writing is subjective. Remember that he said it It's definitive There's a reason why i'm hyping this like listen to this excerpt from the bridges of madison county And he heard the words he whispered to her. Do what now as if a voice This is from the bridges of madison county Other than his own we're saying them Fragments of a wilka poem Around the ancient tower.  I'm just looking at the pretty horses. Yeah, the horses are pretty. It's fine Riding the backs of dolphins What are you gonna hold on to when you're riding on the back of a dolphin you're gonna stick a finger in its hole and just When then he said that's the worst Yeah, so we read that out and I think the proof here is gonna be the that's terrible But you can't prove that it's terrible, but this that novel sold 600 million copies I don't okay, you're making the same point than before why did bother it's putting in two parts That's what I mean So he categorized it out as a separate thing, but it's simultaneously said you can't say writing is bad if it sells well So I don't yeah, it's it's an umbrella argument that you didn't need to repeat but he did but okay You know, it's fine and spent 143 weeks on the new york times bestsell list. Okay, so Maybe just because I don't like it doesn't make it bad. It's not the argument we're making Also, we're not talking about that craft. However, there is such a thing as objectively bad writing Oh, right. That's contradictory to what you said earlier, but am I crazy or is that just the opposite of what he just said? Yeah, well, that's like a literal direct contradiction like 40 seconds apart from each other. I don't know that we've ever had such a clean contradiction in each Have ever before he basically made two statements. They both ended in alternative ways.  Yes, um He is going to provide you with an example of bad writing What do you think is going to be at the core of this example in terms of why it doesn't work Nonsense. Oh, nobody, uh, bought it No um I might have I might be leading you to a place. You don't actually want to go. So so it's gonna be a contradiction He's going to appeal to the fact that it will be a contradiction and that is how you get to bad writing Oh, this video was bad writing. This video is fascinating to me. I just like He spent so long telling us all how wrong we are. He's about to bolster opposition. Wait for it Because writing writing has rules. Some can be bent others broken But there are certain things that have to hold together. All right, the whole thing collapses So take for example 2001's the planet the 8th by Tim Burton at one point mark walberg's character says this Can you show me how we're out here? I promise you I'll show you something that will change the world forever And while that's a cool line to put in trailers and all that It doesn't actually work in the film because the thing he's describing this this world changing thing He doesn't know it. So he finds it out a couple of hours later in the movie and he's shocked so Huh, hmm, but he wasn't lying in the moment Yeah, I I feel like I need more information for the movie because his point is incorrect So I haven't seen the movie so I wouldn't know I have seen the movie What he's he wants to show her the spaceship so that way he can show her like I'm from another planet where apes didn't rule the damn planet And he's trying to find the apes that he came to the planet with which they all think is the god Yeah, this video It seems to check out. Yeah, he's referring to a different thing. This isn't a contradictory All you had to do was find a contradiction. Okay, wait Look, you had one job. I'm willing to because he might be wrong on the reference Whatever, but you can tell what he's going for here, right?  Carter and him had like a romance which is weird because she was a monkey Hey, hey people, right? Okay, she's an ape, but still it was weird Yeah, uh and As doth mark is just highly it's like our final word did no research on anti-arguments It's like this is weird for the final word, isn't it?  It's starting to mess with his brain Here he doesn't know a here So Most of the plot of the movie is him gathering people to go to this place To learn a secret that he doesn't know so that's objectively bad writing Okay, not even even that Summary doesn't work because you could be headed towards a secret And know that there's something there mysterious and not know what it actually is But but you'll know it'll wow the person you're talking to yeah It's like oh, we're going to try and they say that something that's does over there something mystical and magical They don't know what it is. It's mystery. Well, like I haven't been to the grand canyon But I know it would be pretty mind-blowing for someone who hasn't seen it as well Who didn't know there's a possibility Pictures don't do it justice. It's kind of mind-boggling.     All right next point. It's like You guys know what side I'm on now He's in a hate crime 40 years ago Wait, how old is mark wallberg to have done a hate crime in his fifties He did it when he was 15 and then I think again at 17 and he served time for it And he's apologized Oh, so oh, yeah, that's yeah. Well, yeah, he served his time. He's paid back to society It's done. It's over move on Well He must be socially ostracized and if you don't do it you will be compelled to Okay, the happening was his real punishment While planet the problem with structurally bad writing you can have bad writing that is broken on a sort of entertainment level.   Yeah, that I would even say that just based on that description that's subjective Yeah There are guidelines and you can argue the points, but I'd still say Ultimately, it's subjective if you're about to argue something that will end with you saying no one would find that entertaining And be like, oh, oh, I got I got news for you What the villain's plan is very early on and then we have to watch bond trying to work out what it is And it takes a really long time But the problem is we're not going on that journey with him because we already know the answers So we're just waiting for him to catch up with us And that doesn't work in terms of an entertainment thing No, that's totally god. Are you kidding me? There are so many movies where the audience knows Exactly what's going to happen and you know the person in the movie doesn't like my favorite movie is silence of the lambs Watching the movie. We know who Buffalo Bill is.  What is this argument? Oh my god Let's say you're watching a movie that's based on a book that you've already read Can't be entertaining because I know how it ends and I know You know information that the characters don't know. Yeah, so Or the the the strict count of this I think would be if we didn't know until bond found out and then were to rewatch them The movie doesn't work the second you finished it, right? That's that's it You can't watch anything again Colombo that's a whole series where you always know who did the crime in the beginning Yeah, the the idea that that can't work to me is that would come under rules that can be broken Which is what he mentioned earlier like if someone said hey, you should probably have it So you figure it out with the dude. I'd be like that's a good rule of thumb, but you don't have to Because it'll keep us in suspense or whatever but there's total there's so many other things you could do but all right then Is wonderfully campy it doesn't work as a well-written piece of fiction You've not justified that claim whatsoever, but okay. Oh, yeah, he couldn't there's no way he could like Oh, I can't enjoy the movie off. Hello with laurence fishburn because I know that Spoilers he strangles his wife at the end and it's all iago's fault Boring already knew Now Admiral holdo not telling captain po dameron her plan That's not bad writing.  I know what to do with my fingers. They've been waiting for this Oh wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle. Yeah It's the wiggles. It's time This hurts my hand. That's incredibly good writing. Oh, oh, no, no, no, no Blame yourself charlatan And I'll tell you why oh good writing should elicit a response more than just being oh, that's nice It should be something That moves you on and so Wow, so here's a qualifier for good writing is stuff that brings full emotion out of you So it's like what if it didn't do that for me? Yeah What then like this doesn't work the standard is floppy at best An emotional level that stays with you that produces discussion and conversation after oh don't Oh It's good writing if we're debating about it and about how terrible it is for years to come That means it wins. It's good if if we're asking if it's good. Hey guys, the holocaust was good Stimulated discussion. Oh there. We're still yeah We were still talking about it. Must be great Yeah, I'm just going by his rules Do it and so we'll put you in the shoes of a character and you will go on the journey with them with po We're giving this character who we know and love from the force awakens That is a that is a crazy stretch. We barely know po I don't like we love him what? I just And also, I mean it's funny that this got brought up because if I could one of the first points We heard counted in in today's stream was er's point that it's like why aren't we following the main character's pose? So we barely know Yeah, kind of an interesting throwback I'm curious about the the mechanical sort of praise he's going to give here And all that cool stuff And we see him interact with leia leia as a character. We know pose a character. We know So when leia is dressing down, well, we know leia's past. We know what she's been through So we're like, yeah, that makes perfect sense. Well. Yeah, it's save that 30 year gap So also it doesn't make sense. He did a great job and she didn't recognize it And also is he gonna pull this out for luke's writing because oh, we know him even though he fundamentally Turned into a magical different person in the 30 year gap If it's going to be true for leia, would he apply the same standard for luke? Is he going to say that? Oh, well as a result because we don't know this character now because he's totally different Is it bad? Or is it irrelevant? Would talk to him like that and she would have the upper hand However, what brian johnson does is he removes leia brings in holdout Brand new character for us So suddenly you were faced with these two characters and the power dynamic is pretty much the same As what we've seen with po and leia Yeah, both the bitches are wrong They're just both wrong like this is the kind of simpleton who's like oh leia slapped po that means leia's correct Is like well, i'm not going to take the position that he who slaps is the correct person Um, but i guess that really worked for some people Oh, this is leia organa. She she's in charge if she slapped someone and tells them that they did a bad Then they must have done a bad Could you imagine if your boss slapped you because you did something wrong at work? Just that familiarity is gone So when holdout won't tell po the plan as she's not she's not beholden to do it Do you see the do you see the way he did that? Yeah, look away try and try and phrase it. That body language That body language tells you more than anything. Just look at it again familiarity has gone So when holdout won't tell po the plan as she's not she's not beholden to do Dude, that's some you you could You could animate that and it would be a perfect way to To display to the audience this character does not believe what they're saying This is like in a doubt. What are they thinking felps? Press x the doubt press x to doubt exactly She's not beholden to tell the captain what the plan is right. I mean like technically But it is insanely dumb. Yeah, it's it's an incompetence criticism. She's terrible at her job He's guilty He's also proven that he's cocky and he doesn't follow orders So he chose He chose not to destroy the whole fleet. He was ordered to let them like to not attack the dreadnought He said they're fleet killers. He chose to destroy it. He saved the fleet. This means he's cocky and doesn't follow orders If if you want to call people who save their lives and the lives of all the people they care about cocky Then we're operating on very different Definitions of wood. It's just fascinating that if my superior officer says shoot yourself in the face and I go no Then he's like you don't follow all it is You got terrible stoge Yeah, I guess I don't also mutinate But irrelevant it's simply it could simply come down to just chain of command But the thing is what the movie does is it takes us on that journey and we are on poe's side So while we are yes because poe is correct Because poe because hashtag poe did nothing wrong.  Because we went on a shitty journey. So it's a good writing I guess Our following and we want poe to succeed Also, this is a 10 and a half minute video. He's focusing most of his time on this point Even if he was correct, you still got 98 percent of the movie you worry about Even if this was correct, that doesn't magically change the less Jedi into a great movie. It's just less shitty All that distrust from holdo simply comes from unfamiliarity and poe's reactions to her. No Remember ray we were unfamiliar with ray at one point. We were unfamiliar with poe at one point We were unfamiliar with everybody until we see him the first time It's what they do.  It's true. Is it pink? It's purple. It's lavender. Yeah, it's lavender because that's a it's important We got that detail correct. Okay. It's a trendy thing right now It is purplish. Yeah What let me ask let me sorry, let me get my team of internet To dredge the internet and find out in fact, they'll type out something like what is the color of admiral Holdo's here.  Look at look at this.  No Feel like you should feel like with the information I had I was spot on and I did the correct Yeah, you can't like if I don't know if I just kept telling rags not to go into a particular room But he knew his parents were dying in there or something and he opens the door and activates a bomb and kills everyone They'd be like well rags. That was your fault. It's like, why didn't you tell him? It's like Chain of command Like man He he can only operate with the information that he was given and if information was purposefully Withheld from him. How could he possibly blame himself? Also this I this never works just right is the the go-to core example of being a Having to deal with what actually happens in the movie if this guy was in the call I'd be like he'll do the cycle. It's it's like a dialogue tree at this point You don't get it po would have given away the plan and you can talk forever about po How po wouldn't have done that and the the evidence of fin letting dj hear it is not po's fault That doesn't count. But let's ignore that. Let's say we agree. You're right Don't tell po because po will leak it to the first order. Oh, that's terrible So the scene where he sees them all fueling the transports and so he knows it's going to happen That means he can leak that. Oh, no po's potentially going to leak that.  This is just This is the worst. We've got no choice now. Just tell him we're heading to crate Just tell him that he won't engage with the mutiny. He might still tell the first order It's weird that he's committing a mutiny when we think he's a first order mole as a part of our argument But okay doing the mutiny because he wants to save everyone's lives fine The the argument is over at that point in the movie because you can know like the holdo knows that he knows the important information So now she needs to give him the full context He won't commit the mutiny and we know this because later in the movie Which was so frustrating when a first sorks are so confused like hey We're secretly going to this this x or old rebel base. We're gonna be safe there and po is like wow this will work But yeah Assuming you don't get blasted out of space by the If you told him right if you told him po sorry rose and fin never go on their adventure Everyone escapes and lives Gee and and somehow we're told this is all po's fault like it's it's it's baffling to me Also, let's say that po was a mole po was a mole Let's say that po was a mo. All right, so if he leaks this to the first order What are they gonna do they're just gonna keep doing what they've been doing You don't understand ranks. They have um, they have cloaking shields for the for the ships And so as soon as someone tells the first order that that's what they're doing They will scan for cloaked units Because that's a thing But it's so bad because you get why don't they have the cloaking shields detectors running all the time Of course and what you that's the funny thing right because what you just highlighted is what was highlighted in the writer's room They were like wait guys if they find out that the transports are moving. What does it change the first order of shooting them anyway?  Let's make it so the the transports are cloaked. It's like, okay But then how are the first order gonna find them anyway? And it's like well, they could have like a cloak Searcher.   Why would you have to have that running at all times? Oh my god In a while since someone's defended the the po plan thing Yeah, this This this plot is so shitty. It is horrible. It's kind of oh someone did in chat make the argument Maybe it's totally costly to run it all the time like congratulations. You made it Yeah, I mean, I'll assume that it's from one of our guys. Maybe it's you know They compared it to turbo blasters.  I've seen what the first order can do I don't think that the energy budget's much of a problem for them If and if it is they should just have a star destroyer filled with fuel So they can just use that to get more for other ships Honestly, you'd think that's probably what they would do if star wars was like real They'd probably be like, oh, yeah, we have a flotilla of ships going around from place to place One of our ships is like literally the fuel tanker for the for the fleet Especially if this was like just a it was if it was a non-military operation in particular You just have the the fuel ship. I'll be right. I'm going to gas up I'll too because when you look at it, why don't you trust holder? You don't trust it because you don't know her Poe doesn't trust it because Poe doesn't know her if that's it Yeah, but I I distrust people that I do know in fact knowing people is often the reason why I don't trust people Because I know they're not trustworthy I don't know familiarity is can go either way with both of these things and all of that's built on What have they said and what have they done? If that was Leia saying these things wouldn't matter if No Doesn't help that's a purple-haired HR manager saying it but Well As people have tried to posit if that was akbar doing it. We know who akbar is.  It doesn't matter who says it every two minutes by the way the thing What? The subscribe animation in the bottom right It's in case you forgot guys go subscribe. That is that is distracting It has like a click and everything it's like stop If people yeah, um has now i'm gonna now that you've doubly brought it to my attention I'm never gonna be able to miss it again.  That's a great. That's something. That's a plan. Oh, but it came from the private. Oh, never mind. It's a bad idea In there forces us to think.  Maybe she's a spy But now she just doesn't have to yeah, we think that because what she's doing is acting directly against her own side's well-being Yeah, and what he's about to do like you know tins out. She's just like the correct thing there should be tins out She's really incompetent. That's all it is. She's not actually evil.   Maybe she's a spy, but no she just doesn't have to tell him anything And yeah, she doesn't have to But if she's trying to win the war And survive the battle then You should the like delegation of information in a military is gonna be Probably highly bent on The good that can come from the information going to the particular people Um the argument for not telling po in the first few moments Um, I'm like 5050 on it. I don't like you could you could probably push me one way or the other depending on more context Maybe more information, but um as soon as your entire crew Looks like death and they're desperate for information And he's yelling at you in front of everyone who is silently staring at you that we have no hope because you won't tell us What the plan is You might want to tell them what the plan is Yeah At the very least tell some superiors so that they can reassure the crew that yes We're gonna get out of this trust us People especially like people in a military Who are armed with weapons?  You don't want mutiny. Ideally. They want to survive. Yeah, ideally. They want to live. Yeah Because obviously um if a mutiny happens then the the person in charge in this case admiral holder Probably thinks she may have fucked up at some point Even if it's in the sense of she should have imprisoned po But of course, we know the truth is he's actually motivated to try and save everyone's lives because he thinks that all she's doing is killing everyone And how can he how can she prevent that misunderstanding? It's like explain the plan Which is exactly what leia does as soon as she meets up with When she's it's when she's woken up It's it's so simple. It's so easy. Just tell your best pilot the destroyer of the star killer base Hero of your faction. No, he might be a mole your planet might be a mole who blew up the star killer base He got he he felt really bad about it.  They're powerful.  Yes Um, we gonna say something now Oh, I was just saying leia wasn't using it as a power play against po like holder was Like that was her whole thing was manipulating him the way that she was talking down to him In that one scene where she's like, oh, I've seen pilots like you and it's like I don't know. I thought I was like that was ryan johnson trying to put his weird kinky fetish into a movie Like that's the vibe that I thought you're trying to tear down old characters because he did it with everyone else basically so Yeah, but the way that he was having holdo talked to him I'm like if roles were reversed people would be losing their minds because you could you imagine If po was a female character and holdo was a man talking to po girl po Like that they would you know Sexual harassment blah blah blah blah and it like exactly what happens the second leia wakes up She's like, yeah, this is what we're doing and everyone just does it It made absolutely no sense for holdo to withhold that information And then when we find out later when she's talking to leia and she's like, oh, yeah, I like him It's like, well, no shit. You were you know being all creeper on him earlier And ryan johnson did say that um He dressed holdo sexually right wasn't that yeah Yeah, the costume designer. She originally had like all of these different types of uniforms and you know based on The expanded universe designs that they had for similar female characters and he's like, no, I want her to be sexy You can be sexy in a uniform.  Yeah, exactly Yeah, it's just it's weird if I was a soldier on that shift I'd be like What is she like isn't it civilian? Friday or yeah, like who let her on here like we have uniforms in this outfit You know like we're we're like an organized fighting force. We should have some standards for dress code Well, I saw somebody use the argument or like oh princess leia was wearing a dress It's like well, yeah in the first movie she was coming from the galactic senate And you know as a formal affair every other movie she's wearing a jumpsuit because she's in the middle of a war It made absolutely no sense for her to be there in a ball gown Well, when she's on hoth, she's got appropriate attire when she's on indoor appropriate attire. She dresses for the job Like a competent person they use mon mothma as well, but isn't mon mothma and leia at that point they're both ambassadors It's not like she's going into battle and when you have mon motha they're at the base and she's giving orders So it's more of an official position because that's what she is And I think in this one leia is just she's a civilian tried to dress her She she's a civilian. She's not actually a part of the military organization. There you go um She worked with the the rebel alliance, but she served it. She says it serve as its civilian leader during the long struggle against the empire Also, I am taller than her by one inch How tall are you? I'm Oh, no, I'm taller than her by She's only four nine I'm five 10. So I I read that as five 10 because or five nine. She's only four nine No, girl She how four feet nine inches tall. Damn. He's a little really?  Oh my god.  Yeah, it's that's what it says here She's four nine Well, by the way, I'm five 10. I'm not four 10 everybody. I I read that because I guess my brain didn't think I am not four nine.  So how tall is leia supposed to be in this universe? So what they might go to a box? Yeah, they might legitimately have her on some kind of a step Um, let me actually see here. No, because when she walks around she's like I'm she she seemed I thought she was like at least five seven Or I mean, maybe she's wearing platform heels. I don't know Well, they have to be trying to Uh get some pictures of her but like all of these pictures are of her behind like a desk Or she's in the foreground and it's raised up in some kind of an auditorium setup I feel like somebody typed that in wrong. I think maybe five nine, but there's no way she's four nine She's a that well, maybe that's why she's wearing those big flowy robes is to hide her proportions I don't know if flowy robes help your height though.  Oh people are saying that she's five six Oh Oh, because because what I hear I'll I will I know I have it up here It says that she's four nine, which makes no sense Because I was like damn I remember her being taller, but it does say just so everyone Can confirm if you I don't know if you want to put that up, but it does say four nine I I know my numbers all the way up to nine Good job I can count to 21 I guess this is technically 4.9 inches When they said the small rebel alliance they weren't kidding It turns out the stahls universe we just zubed in it's old tidy It's like that one men in black movie where you the little galaxy that's a cat's collar Dang that in a state of like emotional upheaval it also helps something as well Poe's character poe's growth Throughout the movie we see him poe didn't grow. No, he didn't opposite of that He regressed as a character absolutely He was really unfortunate because um he learns He learns to not protect people and follow authority Really strange message, but okay, I guess it's your movie Ryan Fail fail fail and then So that first one wasn't a fail. He saved the fleet. The second one was uh, yes a fail technically um because he didn't activate the hyperdrive, but that's only because uh fin and Rose fucked up the breaker things they got caught I don't know if you guys remember this, but if fin and rose hadn't been spotted by a random evil bb unit Then um, they would have deactivated the breaker and poe would have sent everybody into hyperspace and they would have He would have saved them all Yeah In that crazy Yeah, let's just a little happy little accident Like I just want to highlight a shit ton of people die on crate poe would have saved them all had fin and rose Been a little bit more careful Also the the the other the the next clip is him getting shot by leia, but that's because he saw leia and didn't shoot her Yeah, he had the drop on her leo that wasn't that's what I was talking about That's that's the scene i'm talking about the he only didn't activate hyperspace Which means he quote unquote fails because fin and rose failed to do their job He can't activate hyperspace if the track is active. There's no point Like saying he failed there is kind of like okay, and but you are right though A bonus comment. He doesn't shoot leia when he obviously could Yeah, weird that leia was like hey, there's a there's a group of mutineers and they've uh, they they sealed up this room Leia's like, well, I've got a dress. I'll go in there. I'll go check it out. I'll go check it out I ain't I ain't a skirt And the third one was When the the ship started getting blown up because dj is told the first order Because he overheard po saying it on a thing where fin let dj hear all of it I like I still I push back completely that's pose fault rather than fin's fault Very irresponsible. Yeah, like the idea. Oh, that's pose failure.  Finally on crate this happens What's the plan? Well, they're supposed to go up to the cannon and shoot it apparently there are blasters on these things or You could you could ram your ship into the cannon.  Do you notice how their uh, little drill thing looks very familiar Are you talking about avatar? Yes, I am Yeah I was the first thing I noticed. Yeah I think it's hilarious. They have death star tech that can be Walked around and she's just like wow Why don't they just shoot it from where they are like? I don't know Also, we have death star tech. We put it on a tank that moves very slowly and has to be pulled by something else Instead of slapping it on a ship in space. I know but also JJ was obviously like, hey, how about we put this on death the star destroyers and make a thousand of them It's like, oh god Then they all get destroyed because they don't know which way is up this show The show the sequel trilogy is is oof.  Also fin was totally gonna make it. It's rose the fucks it up. Yeah All right, so he's ready to shoot Yes, that's that's fine. It's but this is the this is the harsh reality It's fine if it's a suicide run as in you will you will die doing this, but you might save everyone's lives. It's like, well Like they have any other choice. I don't I don't that's what I mean.  It's like I don't why don't they just shoot it because that's and we can't something. No boo. Can't do that It's not like there's Like is there a shield around the opening of that thing? Looks like no just shoot into it. It's not that hard. They even have those turrets Um on the battlefield as well. They could totally do it. I guess So we've seen his arc from the first moment of the mood Yeah, he almost gets everyone killed here Broken arc At best. I'm sorry Doesn't follow layers orders and he leads the bombing run that essentially while destroying the drain. Oh, wait, sorry Scooby just Hope is like the sun it burns you to a crisp. I just I like hope is like the sun, okay There's no explanation I Wipes up the fleet and we see him do stupid stupid stuff again again again Until in the end the lessons appear now It'd be great if the movie had like a line of dialogue or a card Um Wait, is he about to reference uh, yeah the the uh a line as a thematic sort of through line, which That was something one of my criticisms was um Jesus they spelled it out like even though it was pretty obvious, but it's like, okay I don't I don't know that that's a I don't how I feel about that like like is it a plus to just look at the screen and go Hey, this is the point we're making. It's like right. Okay Who said something and that would tie that all oh, yeah The greatest teacher failure is Subtle, but he didn't learn.  There we go guys Parable I feel like that's We've just summarized most of the video scs we cover It's like as long as there is a thematic through line, even if all of the references are broken. The film is good That's it That thing where we're watching luke's story and we see all this stuff about failure being the best teacher When actually we're seeing the same thing in pose, but we're not seeing it clearly because we're too distracted like po I mean to take it on a real macro level the day before this movie started Poe destroyed star killer base.    He blew up star killer base Yeah, that was the best line in this entire video.  I'm the hero of the galaxy down. Why aren't you telling me the plan?  He's he was the lot of people say this like, you know, he was demoted there for not It's like, you know, he's demoted to fucking captain since when the captain's not get told anything subscribe Also fleet commander Overriding the general in a fleet battle seems possibly like in line with uh How things actually work Like authority wise I do wonder about that because a general if she was admiral lair, that wouldn't be the case But isn't a general specifically for ground troops and ground troop organization Yeah, I think general is like an army thing and admirals are navy and Generally in space like I've seen for the most part when it comes to space stuff. They use naval terminology They do. Yeah, especially in star trek. It's all based on the navy Yeah So Now I don't know what it's gonna happen with the Space force But I guess we'll see what they're uh, what rankings and stuff they use.  She's a general and like so she got demoted Yeah, his generals have to listen to the nobility. Don't they so it's better for her to be a princess But yeah, I feel like if if you're gonna rags, do you want to be a general or a queen or a princess? I want to be a princess honestly Also queen I'm gonna. Oh, I'd be a queen, but I'd be a princess queen And I'm just screaming into the void here because it's not about a movie being objectively bad or bad writing It's about a female character talking down to a male character.  No, it's okay. She's not an asian american There's no america in star wars Well, I think he's referring to literally the actors in the meta now Oh, well, like like because of course we don't like it because we're sexist and racist It's been a has it been that long since this has been pulled out. It does feel kind of novel at this point Like oh, look at there it is racist and sex It's like to get like a different kind of well, these aren't even arguments I was about to say a different kind of shitty arguments, but these aren't even arguments.  Oh, she was her whole thing.   Yeah, the olive counter by so funny in terms of just how much her goals are just not being Actually bad, but she thinks they are Rose is a terrible character These complaints are gonna keep going it's been two years and it's still just as strong as it was Yeah, and you guys are still going to Throwing out these awful couches This video was made on Um December 11th 2019 So fairly relatively recently He probably did it because the uh What was it rise of skywalker was coming out? So he's like, let me get this video in the algorithm So it gets some clout before the new movie comes out. Well. Yeah, he's it's the last it's the final word It's it's the last word on the film now. We can all agree. It's over.  I love the last Jedi. It's very clear. You do Yeah, it's clear that you love it irrationally I'll probably watch it at least once a year from this year until my last year Um, but I'm sick of trying to persuade idiots to like it or to defend it. Wow Yeah, wow.   Like, oh boy, haven't you watched this video? You'd be like, um This this was this was it.  This is the minus five Welcome everyone to the minus five. Welcome to the minus five. I have incredible predictive capability It ought to have a chance for people who just don't like it for all the reasons I just said Um, it's my last word. Well, we didn't use any of them Uh, or my last word on the negativity around the last Jedi from now on as always All I see is the positivity in star wars. Okay Just just just like it and you'll like it Not left there Just like it and you'll like it. Your guys need to be more positive about it. Okay Stop it. Stop being negative. It's nasty So Well, yeah, that's a variation of I don't know what that accent is called, but that's that's what it is What is it 2019 blue bantha milk? Poe media Written and presented by Sean Fallon edited in by Sean Fallon and Matt Gray edited it took two editors to make this What was the what was the second person doing maybe they did like the audio Yeah, man, it was extensive. Good job. Did it okay It took two people to make that catastrophe of a video.  That was really pathetic It matches the rest of the um It matches the rest of the tlj defense movies, but at least that one was relatively short movies I I do that all the time I call videos movies because I sit down and I focus on them and I watch them and it takes us So long to get through them. I just call them movies Uh We did it. Yeah, that was bad Um, we did do it next up. I'm gonna check out some of the fan art that I didn't Do Pissed up. We have a doodly of Little clown boy nor Isle of Man considered and I think a dog-o vision of me and rake No, it's the it's the no these aren't dog-o versions. This is that that game, uh GTT in space. Yeah among us. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, that's that's all right Yeah Also, he's got a got a math question x squared plus x y minus x y minus y squared What's not really a question. That's more of a statement Yeah, there's no equals Got um full metal jacket the white summary Once again, I got my picky picture. I like it Mm-hmm. Good job with it.   Look at that. Um Tonal smaller We've got j metal er Anna Who's Where am I in the middle with the the the lavender shirt? That No, it's got like a beard To the right of to the right of Uh, is a is that a sword could it be shad or is the yeah because mel's in the back. Maybe it's shad I'll figure this shad Yeah, so we got deaths is up front. We got shad's logo critical drinker. We got his I assume that's his but I assume all bottles are his Yes Oh, maybe the southpaw the It might be it might be We've got uh voxsys over there on the right sitting in his chair We have of course, uh the new bat wayman with her Yes, uh, they're You know, I'm called a purple cowl. Can you imagine? Mmm. I At least the red at least red goes with black. So I don't know about that purple Don't know about the purple here in the bat suit And then we have the trio here. We've got wolf myself and cj A puppy bringing This awesome And yeah, it probably took some time at least and stacking them blocks again the right colors Yeah, this looks really good. Go door to me knock off dude The rendition in the what's that in down there the um The thing right next to bass behind him to the to the left What's that? um The turkey Oh That right there.  Is a name? I don't know either. I don't know. I'm confused. I don't know This is some tunnels taking his slingshot preparing for getting the turkey off his lawn Hmm He's got lord tonald on his own shit Lord tonald on the back And the the the spreading of the meme of adding the context timeline for people who like Don't find it out more tonald fan art Cook for characters with tonald Ah looks good This is some an unbridled marriage for moeller and moopa Circo in 1939. Yeah riding in moola This is ride-o-bell attached to the bike Those were simpletimes Yeah The rendition of mr. Movie robert Oh no Jim bob Looking fantastic. Unfortunately. He's got the gauntlet go stop him Just hold a candy bar in front of him to distract him. Oh, it would work Oh, oh, hey the the guy who made the so captain lull 19 who made the minecraft one He said, uh, hello, i'm the creator of the minecraft art and the one you were confused on His southpaw with the golf club standing over the head of neil trockman I based it how uh based it off how he looks irl also. Thanks for checking out my minecraft art and playing on doing more Yeah, that's impressive as a minecraft player myself. I can certainly appreciate the effort it goes Or that goes into making that so very good very good This is me looking all you know spooky I think i'm burning some stuff possibly snakes below me that are all black or that's a part of me Either way terrifying i'm a skeleton too i'm a skeleton with this on fire With lots of tentacles i feel like this is a very fantasy focused east at this point This one i can't see Looking at it on on the stream. Yeah, that's one for me as well on discord at least Um, does it still not show up if you click it as well? Yeah, no Hmm So Yeah, it could be that the url's dead now. So at least we've got it for on the stream Thank you. Yeah, uh, does this one work? Hey, there you go. I like this one And then it's a narrative slide too What's about to happen? Oh my god. Oh no. Oh no. Look what happened Oh Oh That's not allowed poor welsh dragon That's not good There's no bueno World war australia So he caught the eagles are dropping toxic waste is it? Is that a a shock? I don't know what's going on with that one Rags has got his dual pistols and uh a knife, I guess my next ward He was supposed to be parry the platypus over there Was there from australia? Bringing his consistently magic based In each of these hot wicks go to staff now Broccoli died Who knew Summer 2022 look out for folks. Damn. I'm in your cinema Oh, this is it. This is a nice. Look at it.  Yeah Oh, that's cute. It's like cuphead Raggy is free Raggy is Why am I dressed like doggie the elf? Raggy is free Like in the old school uh mubley face. Yeah So I might just assume it's like a harry potter variant, but no, I forgot the origin of that. Why did I say that? Um I can't even remember what luckily I could go to the time e-fap 100 mini memes 30 14 All right, let's go to e-fap 100 mini memes 134 18 is such a like crazy long way to find it All right, Mueller e-fap mini Okay, here we go E-fap mini super so is this e-fap mini memes one one. Yeah Part one Time is 34 18 I see talk about Faramir and You're playing your game I I might be on the wrong video e-fap 100 mini memes one 34 18 Yeah, I don't Maybe the chat knows does anyone in the chat know what the context of this is Yeah, maybe Because I'm on I'm on the e-fap 100 mini super chat catch up part one unless there's Oh, is it is it's a specific meme we've got to come up with a better catalog Oh, it is you've just misread them. So it's it's the e-fap 100 mini memes came after e-fap 100 part two We have 100 mini reacting to no reacting to e-fap 100 beams one. Here it is. Okay. There we go There we go. I got it. I was looking at the wrong e-fap 100 mini Catch-up thing. All right, so 34 18. Here we go. Uh, do do Oh, yeah This is they drew this Yeah, here it is. I remember now Someone drew that so I asked why am I dressed like dobby? Now we've come full circle we did it All right, it was funny but with context it's funnier Try and get them to where did I put it? There we go. Oh, and they even kind of like copied it over. It does look really similar kind of Good stuff. All right This was um us as pixel tisms The long mud and the rigs That's So cute Ready for being put in a video game. I'm sure No tradition got lots of fan out to get through. You know, it's crazy. Those people doing all kinds of drawings I have to have another spit 200 300 avatars for the next uh Whenever oh my what is this?  Oh, wow Oh my god, those legs at the end just go up You you make that 90 degree turn there. Oh, that's oh wow Going to need a massage after that one. I think you've seen these before rags, but my goodness. They're cute These are great. This guy draws a calvin and hub style These are so good. These are adorable. I love these. Yeah, that's a bunch of those. They're really good So Great I love this so much and there's not just the one Also, I like it. We're just chilling in space right now. That's pretty cool Good stuff But he looks like he's doing a little picture into this But with his little tail Oh my goodness going through Mandalorian season two. It's going to be more than a couple of hours Fun fun fun Yeah, uh, really really cool stuff. Love it.  I think so you look upset about it He's drowning in it and you're just walking over it. I got powers Cheater See that my it's like Godzilla. My legs go all the way down Forget it now Is that um the bloomin is that evan uh evans profile pic. I think so Uh, I would say so. Yeah Bap guy is celestial knockout I've been knocked out. All right Check it out. I love that.   Yeah, nice animated. He's on twitter. Leave him alone Like retweet Oh Well, I love the little uh the image of us fighting it as well got the churro And they got shad as a dr. Strange over there as well.  So, you know, yes, he was that's a plus So, this is also obviously um promotional art for a game that's going to be coming Rude money That is one long wire Yeah It has to be if it's going to get all the way around diabeto Seven people. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh one diabeto. Obviously Or yeah, or one diabeto That's just an average size person really. Yeah, one average size person, you know lies Yay if kremeth This is like horny for christmas Horny for christ. I am horny for christmas This is great. It's one of my favorites. I love this one.  No, I'm not. Yeah, this is safe for work. That's what they call a work dog They're like my opposable thumbs.  That was uh, really cool.  I'm horny for christmas. I'm having a great time Those halloweeners man, I'm a vampire you see of fun and experience Look at this.  That was really good.  I was doing a melee only run didn't went well, but What what are you uh chopping up their weeners? Yeah, the thing is it's called hot dogs horse shoes and I forgot the last one hand grenades hand grenades.  Yeah, that's a really fun game This one's horrifying Mola's struggle it's got the editing in the background the timeline and then Oh my god Creepy god damn I think he said it was the many emotions. I feel so like anger Sadness tism and something else. I can't remember boy. I can't confirm. This is how his actual hands looks like You have those weird snow canes. Yeah The other one is normal, but uh, what the right one is just like Constantly screaming at people Oh, hey, look at this one. I forgot this was in you.  This is so great.  Yeah This is great.  I love it And this one popped in as well relatively recently Good stuff my energy there of just this overlord energy.   That was basically what happened. Yeah Yeah It's like an achievement And rhino milk for there as well Some what does that say on the? Long long something Long w a woman maybe I don't know. Yeah, I could be Rags looks content Yeah, that's the place to be I even got my little pillow I'm a side sleeper, you know And the last one Oh, yeah Oh, yeah Just jammin It's so cute Absolutely You don't kill all art Enjoy some of it Only most of it That was um, oh, I remember this one. Yeah, this was when There the strip is just then dancing and at the end His his mom and dad are in bed And it's dark and one of them is like first thing in the morning.  I get I think I should get a reset on what games I can play every every time a year passes. Okay Of of eFab, I mean, um But yeah, of course, uh Metal and er if any of you would like to use this time to eject a rune You're welcome to of course, you wear the whole time, but I mean if you were looking for any kind of A natural spot No Mel you okay? I'm cool.  I didn't have another beer. We would have been screwed over. All right. Well Yeah, I finished my work for today. So I'm good. Oh gray Um I must do some scrolling so uh I don't know it's been a it's been a fun little eFab 101 in a way It's like eFab back to basics and I feel like we really did cover a lot of basics Got a nice good old-fashioned tlj video.  Oh my god.  Can you let people have an opinion mel? Jesus No nor Nor nor nor nor Nor nor um The first one says henry cavill is signed on to be superman in three dc movies and multiple cameos I want a sequel to man of steel and directed by zack snider My body is ready Yeah, I mean he's pretty popular at this point in terms of just people want to see him do stuff but uh Those we'll see it'll be interesting to see how everything turns out with the old uh The dceu getting more stuff Of course, we uh, I hope it's gonna be some good shit. I haven't I haven't seen any dceu movie They're terrible. Yeah from what I hear. I've dodged many bullets They're terrible, but he's very handsome So Henry cavill. Yes.  He has a cgi lip in real life And all of his his mustache is what cgi'd on Um, have any of you heard of michael b on twitter?  Uh Upload to bit shoot foos We're right. We've actually got that new source of e-fap. It's actually on soundcloud now. The link is available. Um But um, I've got them all backed up if anything was to happen to the youtube channel like big nuke Um, of course they would do all the episodes be pooled onto another site quicksmart Yeah, um, i'm not suggesting everyone go and download every episode to make sure you never don't have access to them Just just you know, we you take things bit by bit What?  I loved it. Have you seen have you seen the the big meme video? Mmm. No You are you are black panther in it young man. Yes That makes sense All right Should be enough to tempt you.  I'm afraid I'm still still unable to fix those tisms Wait, what's wrong with your streamlabs things? I can't access it. It always defaults to um mula All the other like because it's like three tied to my main one I need the main one it never defaults to it. I've set it all to be the default one, but it just doesn't work That's weird I have to sign out of everything in order to get to it and I can't do that while streaming That a big sense Unfortunately, but we still get to them.  They are all of them are are very cool Very well, um much love you guys I find myself falling asleep to your content and waking up with it still playing hashtag watch time Wait, did I do double fuck? I don't know.  No Oh my god I know Okay, we're gonna. Okay mary pitbull.  It's I don't know as best I can do this. Yeah, I'll get it.  I've heard about that. I saw a tweet um The the shot specifically snotter spoilers is the They're making some kind of show in relation to the superheroes and Um, they're talking about the writing of it. And then I think one of the characters says like it's great Did you check out the the weeden rewrite or something like that all the joss rewrite? Obviously the um, I'm assuming referencing justice league Yeah Did you watch the episode? No, no, I haven't seen season two yet Oh, okay. Well, yeah, they totally it's because they're filming like the seven like movie And so when they're in the process of filming us and we make sure I think so Yeah It's a funnies Come to the dark side nationwide is our side Come nationwide is on our side nationwide is on your side Is that like an american ad? Yeah nationwide insurance And it's a good it's a good jingle because I remember When wolf started his domino story saying he had a bad dab and rags reacted with bewilderment It reminded me of why I love wolf stories so much I don't even remember that Bad dab because of course what I think about is like you try to dab But instead you accidentally jam your nose into your arm because you just wanted to dab with such ferrari That you hurt yourself This sacrifices some dabbas make, you know dabs safely friends.  That's like it's terrible.  Kevin Conroy. I figured you'd go for Conroy. All right. If we disqualify Conroy, who then? Cluny of course I think cluny is much better than bat fleck. He's got a bat credit card true He knows what the ladies like ladies love that bat credit card A lot of people like to go with Keaton and adam west, of course um Adam west is almost like his own different kind of batman because because the way that show was it's just its own thing It's so different.  It's just its own thing over there Hey, oh, no, it's it's all that's Um Hey rags and er reactions to uh I Getting Ruth. It is Ruth Bader Ginsburg, right? Yeah, I'll be g passing guess this may mean trump gets another appointment on the s c regardless Good to see y'all up back. Love you guys never stop Uh, I think judges should be judges adhering to the constitution not political activists Is what my position is on that? I'm not gonna shed a tear I won't dance in the streets or anything But I'm not exactly gonna shed a tear about her finally kicking the bucket Um, not a fan of her trying to use her death as a political tool either but um And in the sense that she's like, oh my final wish I don't get replaced by this president and so like, okay. Come on. You're trying to Emotionally manipulate people into being sad when you die if you don't it Yeah, not uh, certainly don't align politically not a fan of uh, I guess the judicial precedent or Thing that she set so yeah, not a Not gonna be any tears shed by But I'm not gonna like be happy and glad and dancing in the streets or anything I there's some level of decorum that should go into it, of course, but um Yeah, not I've already done all my grieving for her because I think she's been dead for like two years now She was a puppet the whole time If the death star hyperspaces into the fleet with the uh, Well, the rebels become the equivalent to swarm of flies on a windshield Um if a swarm of flies traveled at the speed of light into a car's windshield That's just getting fucked up Yeah, there was I it wasn't like grade school or something where I was learned we were just first getting into like physics like the the baby element literally elementary level physics And so like yeah, there was a way to calculate how fast a dragonfly has to hit a semi trailer to stop it And I'm like wow, that's crazy.  Uh, I want to have appointments So like Yeah, like ignoring all the shit, um Yeah, the the concern people had was like it it might remaster it and make it lose the look It should have or whatever that was that was one of the Consistence, I don't I wouldn't be too worried about that myself. I would hope it would be a Well-made remaster, um or remake whatever whatever. However, it's qualified But this whole oh, it's coming to pc lol human era.  It looks pretty good uh But another thing uh, what we're talking about is it's a slightly off topic. What do you guys think about the the whole uh prices going up for console games That they know charge like 70 to 80 bucks for a game People already are super Um, and people are already super wary about having to pay 60. Hmm. I come to pc That's that's just come to come to pc 80 bucks for a game like Dude the amount of free-to-play games on pc alone Yeah I can't I can't mention they they're gonna raise the prices as well on pc then if they get away with it. Um I get I'm guessing like I I don't know. I'm just it's just my speculation No Let me take a look. Is that are they really upping the price? Yes There was an object that was about it. It's the first time since Uh, I think since 70 dollars two They raised the price from the norm Uh, here's polygons.  Um Yeah, I I'm just wondering I talked about this.  They it's harder to make new games And now we need more money, but also They have to they don't have to produce as many physical copies anymore because lots of people just get the games digitally I mean the new generation of consoles even has a digital version of their Of their consoles as well, so and I don't know there's like a lot of factors and I'm still not sure if A good or a bad thing. I mean, it's always always bad thing for console consumers if you More expensive, but I just don't know how justified it is really Yeah, I don't feel that AAA games are giving me 10 dollars worth more of you know quality than they did 10 15 20 years ago. Yeah, especially when you have games that have like Shit tons of microtransactions and yeah, it sees that they do release for 10 to 20 bucks Whatever depending on what it is or all the money is just pumped into graphics Yeah, and in the insane amount of work and money that takes but the gameplay itself is simple And you could only play it through once to really get a you know, um It's not it doesn't know itself to replays and stuff of that nature There's a reason so many double A level games and indie games are doing so well People want content as a Personally, there's like a little games. I would pay 70 to 80 bucks for Like yeah, that's I could I could think about probably like a new god of war That's like a lot of fanboy stuff in there because one of my favorite franchises I rarely Rarely buy games at 60 dollars. Yeah, me too. I rarely buy games completely new like Almost all that I play is like Games that were 30 or so Maybe 40 at the high end because they're either indie games or they're just double A level stuff Or they're free to plays things like that I That's a It's a lot of money to spend on a game 70 bucks. Try to remember which game was the last one I paid full price for Can't remember I mean like a triple A title that's like 60 bucks I don't remember like the last couple of games I bought were all like smaller games like Hades Which is like an uh, is it Are they still an indie producer? Like they make fashion everything. They're very well known, but I I guess they're not a triple A obviously Why don't you just make cheaper games? I I legit don't know which which is the last game I bought for 60 bucks might actually be a switch game probably like Astral Chain or something Because I wanted to check it out And that would be interesting to see how how This goes like upping the price like that.  They're still gonna have all this Bullshit that you could pay extra for after they've upped the game. There's nothing's gonna change You're not gonna get $10 worth more out of the quality If we do I will be shocked Game every it's all gonna be the same. They just want more money per game And the idea of making smaller budget games You would think that would have I mean it has caught on to a degree Right because of how successful a lot of double A games and indie games are especially but man Uh, I I think it's just all gonna be the same people are just gonna have to pay more People talking about monster hunter. This might that might doesn't feel price. I actually don't remember I did get a little hours of that though. That was if I did it was I would say was worth it Pre oh man, pretty good game. But yeah And I'm I'm thinking too. So I I think that the NBA and I think it's 2k That's the name they have like exclusive rights to make those games So if you want to if you want a um, if you want a football game or if you want a basketball game um Then like you don't have a lot of options But if you want a shooter you have a bajillion options. You want an rpg bajillion options So if some if one if one of them goes, oh, yeah, we're just ten dollars more Then people are gonna be like I don't like that idea. I'll just go play one of these other mini shooters. I'll go play free to plays Oh Do me a channel. I think that was the last one I should put full price Oh, yeah, I bought that one too. Yeah, that's probably the one that was the last one I bought as well Hmm But I did buy it like two or three days after I think when I knew it wasn't like a shit show and doesn't run As soon as I knew it's uh, it's it runs good and I can actually play it. That's when I call it As you should Quote Honestly, I think I think this is a product of how so many gamers, especially really casual gamers are Hyper focused on graphics They want they want the best looking game possible at the expense of everything else and they'll gape and gawk at Oh, I could see the pores on his face. Oh, I could see the threads on his denim jeans Instead of how much content and replay ability in balance does this game have that it can offer to me? And so that's expensive and it costs and if everyone wasn't so hyper focused on graphics then Yeah, I mean for me. I'm just like just give me good enough They're not making these more because it costs if you want to make them they're just doing because people will pay for it Yeah, that's why that's why two k's the first. They know you want a basketball game Well, you ain't got anywhere else to go So $70 now. I'm surprised it wasn't just incremental like they just had a one dollar per year on top of You know the price just keep keep pushing it I mean that's essentially what microtransactions have sort of been yeah doing Um, it's how do we and and i'm fine with the concept just make them worthwhile and have a base game That gives me plenty of content Like there have been some dlcs I've bought that have been insanely worth it layer of the shadow broker and Path of fire and heart of thorns all these big expansion packs and dlcs that have been totally worth it and i've never regretted it But man when I see a skin for a gun and it's 18 fucking dollars like man like yourself Literally buy like full probably pretty good games on steam for that Hell yeah, you can I mean, that's that's the reason why i'm just playing older games Now If I just look at my at my stream backlog on on the youtube's like I played hades I mean that's not an old game, but that's like an indie game and it's really really good Uh, I'm looking I played yakuza I've been I still need to finish the other one. I was playing yakuza zero You get tons of hours out of that game because it's like it's funny.  It's like it's just super entertaining Uh What else do we play? I mean, obviously I got my vr headset. So I've been playing like lots of lots of vr stuff but vr games on 30 30 bucks max I think the most expensive one was would have been half life elix, but I got that for free with my with my index Uh I look through my games and it's like seven days to die. I've got 623 hours in that that game came out in 2013 um I uh, let's see. I'm just looking through like what I have installed when I play regularly I've been playing uh dark souls one again with the A roguelike mod But should be fair I had to buy the remaster version for it because uh, it's the only way I could play it But that was worth it. I got like a for like six seven streams all that And the mod is really well made.  Yeah, we went to rain the year old Yeah, I played risk of rain when the 1.0 Release was well, I did play it a little bit later because I forgot about it Uh, what I got like got like a couple of days That I'm definitely going to go back to risk of rain at some point because just like a trail game to play Oh, yeah All of the all of the recent games that I play are all Sub-60 dollars. They're like more howl vermentide to On the last drum stream, uh, we played gulf of your friends, which is Probably already like three years old by now since I bought it Uh, and it got way better with all the custom maps, so that's just super fun And if I pick up another single player game to focus on that's new it'll probably be like mankind divided or something like that It won't be a new game. I just don't It's not really I've never really been. Oh new game gotta buy it You hate change I played the send us mod for doxels three. That was cool Someone said that pubg mobile has made more than a billion dollars.    Um Since er is here. I am disappointed that you guys like his video on life is strange. I'm working on a response video He was mostly dishonest and wrong Uh-oh Wow got called up twice today. Yeah, it's Yeah, it's a little rough especially given that I haven't ever said anything about.   I did play it. I thought it was garbage So, um, and I've seen your video. I don't know.  Well, I'm mostly focused on the time travel and that I believe Which is totally garbage. I don't know anyone could defend that Well, you just take women Yeah Have you ever thought about that? Um, you know, yeah fair enough. I guess, you know, I I wouldn't really know but uh, I didn't I didn't detect tizms I'm trying to get ruby rose to ea be against ruby rose from ruby. That'd be cool What it What does it what does it mean to ea be ea be Um, ea be epic rap battles of history Yes, yeah, I guess that's a I guess those are still going strong They made like 10 billion of them. It's still going I feel like I think like the last time I watched it was probably three or four years ago I mean, they weren't really entertaining. I just kind of lost track if they still do stuff Wait, did I die in that image or am I sleeping? Wait, what?   Yeah, cuz hopms was uh, yeah I like it. We're doing the sleeps Yeah, these images are awesome. Thank you That's the stuff after every e-fat basically. Yeah Get up e-fat sleep Maybe you could squeeze a snack out at the end, but Let's get up go to the computer and it's a 180 right back at the He's the loo. I'll be right back. Hmm. Hmm Okay, I just worked on a movie with ruby rose I thought she was the stunt driver when I met her. She was cool though I Yeah, I'd hope she is cool in real life I hope she doesn't act anything like cake kane does I'll be in a damn shame Moeller if you and rags are unable to continue e-fat for whatever reason Which of your many guests do you think would be able to take the reins?   Um, I'd be like, hmm I don't know. I'd have to talk to everybody figure out who would want to do it with me consistently If I were hit by the by the lorry, I suppose rags would do the same thing But if we were both down and who would I want to succeed us at that point? Uh I don't know. It would just be one of the honestly just out of the people who've been on here the most if they want to Pool together and figure it out. I wouldn't necessarily like I wouldn't I wouldn't want to have a specific person do it really. I just be like, I hope that we um People carry on with the the spirit of the show, you know I ask him what happens if we die Pretty much. Yeah. Well, what would we want to happen for e-fap and it's hosting if both of us were to die I hope that e-fap Ends but it inspires many podcasts like it and that people take what they've learned and the experiences and happiness That they've gained from our memories and do something positive and enriching with their lives to better the world Wow, there you go. Um I suppose if if the question is trying to include like You know, we're on our deathbed and it's like do you want someone to take the show over and carry it on or would you rather them Rather the episodes end with a with the last one was Rather they end I think I would probably be like, yeah, if say for example Weird scenario, but like, I don't know metal jane fringy like we'll do the rest of e-fap. We're like, maybe I'll just start a new show with you three being the hosts instead of You know, because if me and rags are dead It's like well, it's not. Yeah. I mean at what point do you say it's time for something new to begin and the old to I mean part of that is a Little possessive, but I think that's justified to a degree. You know what the e-fap is sort of our thing In a way, I think it'd just be a different show and not not in like a bad way Just may as well do your own thing your own branding your own labels your own format You know, I would want the community to find the podcast that they can get behind and to to encourage maybe other content creators to make a Like an e-fap inspired one. I wouldn't want it to be But something close that would be really nice to really nice to think about germfap My rags good to see the toxic brood brought back with a bang Rags say hello Hello back with a bang. But yeah, you know, this is a it's a pretty pretty good outing for 101. I imagine I hope it was up to snuff E-fap viewers. I hope you are sated for at least a week Do e-fap gaming among us or fall guys?  Honestly.  That's what it will be called and it means a bunch of things medley's fun, that's a By the way, I I think I don't know. It's on my mind. So I'm gonna say so sometimes my friend my family takes trips to Branson, Missouri Um, it's the south and they watch all the shows and they're they're religious and stuff and they go to think Right and there's and there's a there's a billboard in downtown Branson That that says the words country jubilee And it's just like a guy and a gal with like a fiddle or something and it's just this dull comedy Advertite not not even comedy just this dull music sort of production and I just always think man You couldn't drag me kicking and screaming Into a Branson show that's called the country jubilee like What a horrible horrible way to spend two hours I I am curious how this connects to What we were talking about Notting Not a not in no way does it Very well Um What are your thoughts on candy corn? Yeah, you're nay Did they sit with us? Do they see shoji taboochy?  Well someone in chat asked if we'd seen shoji taboochy Oh And I said no we hadn't seen them, but we've seen another relatively famous ish candy performer.  No Damn, I don't I don't candy corns I feel like candy's almost like a misnomer. I don't even know what it is. I just had to google it. I've never seen it in my life It's just like uh like how all christmas stuff is Uh, you know how all christmas stuff is great, but halloween has that stain on itself You don't want to take that position.  Oh, yeah, it'll taste like candy corn Uh, correct candy corns. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. It's fantastic.    I don't know. We've only got a few left and they'll decide to review movies I want