Um, so again, really excited to have you all here excited for the panelists that we've got. We happen to have a bunch of panelists that are people I deeply deeply respect and and so we're really excited to hear from all of them. We're going to get to talk with the state of the movement. And so that that means a couple of things as you see we have folks coming in from many different places. And so because of that folks from Columbia, Canada, US, we're also a number of folks from Asia are coming in people from Brazil. And just because of the range of where people are coming from of course we can't speak to your specific context in the sense of, here's here's exactly what Daniel, I live right outside of Philadelphia. Here's what Daniel should be doing in his part of the world, but instead a chance to look at some of the big themes some of the things that are happening on sort of both global trajectories. And also chance to hear from some of our movement leaders and elders and respected people about how they're, how they're making meaning of this moment. And so obviously we're not going to cover everything. This is a step back. It's a chance to step out of our immediate moment and to cover some things that maybe it was ground we don't always cover or to hear some affirmation. So in the first half, we'll have. Yeah, is going to talk with Bill McKibbin and with Svetlana. And so they'll be talking about some of the big themes. And then in the second half we're going to hear from a couple of organizers will get to hear from Shimona in Seattle, and we're going to get to hear from Oscar, some Pio in and working on fracking about how, how are they navigating this moment, because between the pandemic between shifts in people's understanding of climate change between the changing political landscape. Things are moving. And how are organizers adjusting. How are we dancing with history in this moment. And so both some, some concrete tips might emerge as well as some broad things. So what we're hoping for is something that will speak to your condition to give some insight to whatever your reality is, and to prepare you for, for what your, what your situation might be and what might be next for you. So, just as a way of kind of introducing our panel today, I've been, I've had this imagination of thinking of it as us just kind of sitting by the river having a conversation I live right next to the Delaware River, which is between New Jersey and Pennsylvania in the US. Here where I live. It's a spot where the Lenin on the native community before the colonizers came, they used to come in it was a place for ritual and gathering, both a hunting ground but also a ground for crafting ritual together. And so I think of this evening, or whatever time zone it happens to be for you, I think of this as a chance for us to have some conversation, just like we might on a river. And I think about rivers especially because I, I really live in the trajectory of thinking of movements as rivers that movements are very much like rivers in that, even though we call the Delaware River, it's not any one thing. And so the movement is many things to many different people. There's little eddies over here and there's the mainstream and the central part of it. There's parts that go backwards or part that go forwards. And so we step into the movement we may step out of it at one point but no part is the same. So even though we call it one thing it means many, many different things to different people. And so what we're going to get to hear from is some different people's parts of the river and what meaning they're making of it. So, let's sit down and chat. And I wanted to, we'll get to chat as I said in the first part with three different people I won't do long introductions but I'll say just a few things about the people so as someone who I've known for a while in 350 as a colleague and as a friend, and she has been, I think very much at the forefront of articulating what Putin's war means to the rest of us, and what the conditions are in terms of its relationship to climate change because this is a fossil funded war. And so she brings both passion and as a Ukrainian deep, deep empathy for what's happening right now. And he's someone who is newer to me, in terms of getting to know him personally, but he's had many, I think of him, I don't know if this is fair yet but I think of him as someone who's had many life changes iterations as an internal policy person who's been working in sort of halls of government and internal climate negotiations. And also as an extremely passionate activist and carried out one of the most moving talks if you ever get to see him announcing his hunger strike. It's just an incredibly passionate example of how people on the front lines can bring such passion, clarity, scientific knowledge, and accumulated wisdom and elder experience into one just powerful event. And that's very much on the front lines for many of us and a reference point for quite a number of us about how we orient. And then Bill McKibben is joining us and thank you bill bill stepping in for, we had sort of some last minute issues and so bill stepping in last minute thank you for doing that bill. And many of you may know bill as someone who he often talks about himself as having written the first book on climate change, which I think marks him as someone who has been a profit on this issue for quite some time, and someone who has had a consistent conversation about what's going on in different parts of the movement, and has tracked it very carefully. So I won't do more interaction than that. But I want to kick it out I want to start with yeah actually. Yeah, just to share with us a little about what you're seeing in terms of where is the movement right now. And, and so just to bring us in and what are some of the dynamics that you're seeing there's there's many different places to start so just start in one place. And then we'll, we'll bring in Bill and set Lana along the way. So thank you for coming and jump on in. Thank you very much Daniel and pleasant day to all friends and colleagues and comrades all over the world for this opportunity to have this conversation. And start by saying I'm very mindful that my perspective is based on my lived experiences, of course, always limited more than we would want and enhanced by my conversations by my pedagogy on the issues and by my own awakening. And as we confront, I would, I would always consider the most pervasive crisis that we face the climate crisis, the movement as we unpack it in this conversation is a complex movement. And we can look at it from different lenses from different angles we can see it from an issue specific angle or sector specific. And then there are those synergies we can also look at it from from a geographic standpoint where we look at the map of the world and see all of these communities of resistance standing up for what is right standing up against apathy, and, and, and arrogance of the fossil fuel industry and those who wreck the planet. There's been a lot of different levels of progression in terms of issue specific battlegrounds or fights that we are waging. And even sometimes just to call this battlegrounds is a bit tricky right because when we look at battlegrounds that connotes a war right and then we also have this notion that are we really winning the war, or are we just really be winning little battles. I'm really inspired to see the growth of the climate justice movement, of course, which I would, for lack of a, maybe at the risk of being over simplistic call it a subset of the bigger environment movement or even a subset of the climate movement but the climate justice movement, which is, you know, creating a groundswell of, of inspiration of inspiring creative legal action, especially in many parts of the world has brought us a different texture to the movement and we've seen, you know, and when when you see cases being filed and cases being one against the industry. That is inspiring that creates a mindset for many of us that that hope is always possible that despite the overwhelming crisis that we have in our hands despite the powerful interest involved in this whole thing and, you know, the resources that we have always built in comparison to the industry. It is always uplifting to see that, you know, whether it's the farmer from Peru or its youth in the Netherlands, but also many different communities at the front lines of the climate crisis. Being able to understand the power that is in their hands and take that power into the halls of the law, then that creates really a different energy, I think, for the movement and then you have other issues, specific things, you know, communities of resistance against specific projects, whether it's oil pipelines or coal mines, coal fired power plants in many different parts of the world and I happen to work a lot in a region that we consider as the last bastion of coal. When many coal fired power plants are being repaired in many parts of the world, you know, Southeast Asia, we're building hundreds of them. And that is a challenge, but that is also an opportunity for us. There's also, aside from coal, of course, or resistance in general to fossil fuels, oil, gas and gas resistance has become much bolder now and a lot more collaboration happening around the world. We're also looking at projects, you know, campaigns against fossil fuel infrastructure and finance work has been something we have seen being elevated to levels we've never imagined before. A lot of success, for example, in pushing for the investment, but also a lot of success in making financial institutions, banks, whether private banks or even public institutions stop funding fossil fuels, fossil fuel projects and in particular, in the developing world, that is big. That is something that we can take inspiration from. And for me, one of the, because I work in the climate litigation field, it gives me a lot of happiness to see how we are able to make major polluters or what we call carbon majors pay for the cost of this crisis. And while we are, of course, winning some of these battles in the chambers of law, but also winning some battles in the chambers of parliament and legislation. I think we're also winning this in the chambers of people's hearts. And, and that is something that we want to be proud of and build on. And then there's this sector specific things that we see around the world where we, of course, see indigenous peoples communities, connecting with many other communities around the world and, you know, claiming taking taking is taking that claim to their rights as indigenous indigenous peoples in many, in many territories in many, many, many nations. And then that has that has really infused a spirit of solidarity and a renewal for many of us. And a, I would think a reboot, a correction of history is something that should always be at the core of what we do as climate activists and, and, and acknowledging not because because climate climate crisis is after all a manifestation of all of the mistakes not just simple mistakes but brutal mistakes in in the history of humanity and even consider this is the biggest injustice in human history where those who suffer the most from its impacts are those who contributed the least to the problem but also this is deeply connected to how the pre colonial, you know, political economy was that was was was destroyed was damaged by colonialism and it would only be possible for us to overcome this crisis through the colonial lead through through a the colonial lens and I am inspired no end by the synergy that's happening with with indigenous communities we also see of course the women and gender sector gender justice as is also very central to the political dynamic that has brought us this crisis and we see so much synergy there we see such a strong force that that that is enhancing the way the climate movement is doing its work in many ways and then it goes without saying that in the in the in very recent years, the youth has done what we have been trying to do for many many decades it has brought in so much power into into this fight and while the pandemic has dampened the work that we all do across the world you know the youth has not stopped doing what it has started to do and and it's phenomenal this the rise of the youth has been phenomenal and I want to pay tribute and homage to that I think I'm sure I'm sure it's with Lana and Bill will talk more about all of this inspiring phenomenon in the climate movement as we go along and then I also want to want to make sure I mentioned forest communities because when we talk about the climate crisis we talk about people who live in places who and then depend on a healthy environment and who are standing up against the the destruction of nature and I work of course in a region where we have the last standing ancient forest and and to see communities there rise up and stand up and make sure that that the biodiversity is is protected that their own legacy their own patrimony is is protected it's it's really inspiring and then trade unions is also very important sector I want to mention because it's a complicated sector but we've seen how trade unions have have joined forces with the climate movement not just in in terms of a creative legal action but also in in communities of resistance in in broadening the conversation and in making sure that the just transition element is is something that is being emphasized strongly and then and then the last I think the last lens I would I would want to offer is the geographic lens. What I could say in general is that we have spread the the fight to so many important battlegrounds and when when I say battlegrounds that need to be fought for the sake of our planet. We see so much energy you know happening in the global south and and that matters a lot that matters a lot not just because I come from the global south but but that is the way the only way this this crisis will be overcome is if the if we build solidarity like we've never done before. And and and we develop and create leadership in all parts of the world, especially those who are suffering from in the front lines of this crisis. So should we be optimistic. There is no choice for us but always feel our hearts with hope, not the regular kind of tokenism, kind of hope but radical hope radical hope. Because I think Bill has said this before. The good news is that will at least be able to say that we tried that with conviction we stood up and we fought the good fight. Sometimes we feel, I think I think we can call it we feel tribal with parochial and we feel the weight of the failure of the movement. It happens right it happens. It is a cycle and then you know coming from a country where we ousted a dictator. 40 years ago. Now we are faced with the son of that dictator becoming the head of our country and that puts a lot of weight on you and sometimes you think are we really really making progress in this fight. Well, it is it is a journey. It is a journey and that that challenge remains and we're, we live in a rapidly changing world where when I started as an activist. We didn't even have cell phones we didn't have email. Now the activists of today have all of those tools have that unprecedented kind of connectivity and connection. And we do have new challenges to face, including of course the pandemic, including of course the kind of disinformation and that's happening all around us and the political tidal waves that we face. I would think of this as we should avoid thinking of the movement as a linear progression. I think we should always look at it as a journey as an iterative cycle. And for us to come back and I think not not necessarily reincarnate because we never we should never you know die but it's an it's an algorithmic progression and the and the stronger we make ourselves today, the stronger it can only be tomorrow. And we are only as strong as our collective strength. And so we we don't want to look at it from a from a linear standpoint. There are so many stories from the different parts of the world stories of tragedy, but also stories of heroism, whether it's people standing up against specific specific, for example, fossil fossil fuel projects, or you know, expressing solidarity with each other when people suffer from climate impacts, whether it's severe droughts and forest fires, or, or flooding as we see in Pakistan right now. The kind of solidarity we are expressing to our to our friends in Pakistan has never been seen before. And, and for me that that is something we must celebrate, despite the tragedies because there is a lot of solidarity happening and we can always translate that into a political force, which is needed, which is really needed for us to push the envelope on what needs to be done by policy makers and decision makers where I think I'm going to just mention a couple more things. And that is, we, our job is to continue organizing and organizing does not mean we, we rely on on old on old methods we have to innovate but also we, we have to understand that organizing has no magic one it has no silver bullet you'll have to go out there talk to one or two people convince them one day at a time, but we should never stop doing it and I see so many organizations, people's organizations, communities doing that, never getting tired of doing that, whether it's in Latin America and Africa in the Pacific, in Europe, in Asia, and in Africa, it's and then in the Americas we see so many people just striving to do that. And the reasons I think that make us lose sleep at night, all of these problems we think about, I think those same reasons should push us out of bed in the morning. So, sometimes really the acts of resistance should just make your morning a little brighter so where do we go from here. Think there's a lot of different pathways for many of us, but ultimately we must build solidarity like we have never ever done before, because we need that solidarity that is difficult that is easier said than done. But for the people's movement to stand steadfast, build that solidarity and connect the people's movement in the global north and in the global south and continue the power dynamics that have given us this crisis. I would think that it's really important as a last point I want to make really important to understand as well that intersectionality is a key piece in all of this. It is important that the climate crisis is never discussing isolation of social justice of racial justice of gender justice. And with that I think the movement has become stronger because of that and we have to continue doing that to see the movement become much much stronger. There are so many details to this, so many wonderful stories that I'm sure that Shimano will also share later. And it's not just the number of followers that our rock stars in the climate movement has on social media that should be the defining factor for the strength of the movement. But that is also a source of inspiration for us seeing so many leaders in the climate movement start to resonate with billions of people that is something that is so inspiring. So I would think with me again as a caveat being an eternal optimist I see that the climate movement since I began this work many decades ago has become much much stronger and the boardrooms of fossil fuel companies are trembling in our trembling because of this movement. Thank you Daniel. Thank you so much. Thank you for bringing us a trajectory of the movement, a kind of a course following what are some of the, we started by saying the battlefield is the wrong metaphor, but, but we're always wondering I think in the movement what is our yardstick of progress. Are we, are we doing better or worse. And of course one yardstick is whether or not CO2 emissions the ultimate yardstick is whether CO2 emissions are plunging. That's the ultimate yardstick on on this issue of really to climate specific. But that also there's there's these important measurements for movement because our movement doesn't win sort of a constant we win we win we win we win. And as you say there's a back and forth. And so we take steps forward and we take steps back. And so there's aspects of strength that are happening of stronger communities, stronger resistance. And also identification that our opponents are more fearful of us than they have been in the past. And that shows in some of the greenwashing tactics they're now, they're now trying to appease, which is different from where they were 30 years before they were just outright doing whatever they wanted without even without even the courtesy of lying to us and to the public. So here we are in shifting times. Bill I want to add more texture to some of these comments about what are some of the things that you're seeing where you set and where you're seeing some of the different elements that that are relevant for where we are in the movement right now. Well, first of all, what a pleasure to get to listen to you as always and just to get to say hi and across zoom and say thank you for enormous work and what fun to be with split Lana too. We've gotten to do some work these last six months sadly because some, you know, because the fossil fuel industry is literally bombing her country. You know, so we're, we're, there are moments and the Marcos election was one of them where you just think you're running in place in this world and there's moments like the invasion of Ukraine when it just feels like we're back in the middle of the 20th century, you know. But, but I'm going to make the argument just briefly here that we are doing a hell of a job as a movement, and we're beginning to see important things happen. I think that we're at a couple of hinge points in human history, one of them terrible and one of them powerful. Clearly, one of them is we have now destabilized the planet's climate system. And we see the evidence of it every moment of every day now. Right now we're thinking very hard of our brothers and sisters in Pakistan. The Indus River is 100 kilometers wide now at its widest point because there is more rain than there's ever been that fell up in the Kyber Pass, just unbelievable rain of the kinds you can only have in a overheated rule. At the same time the Yangtzee is running dry in China and hundreds of millions of people have spent this summer in the grips of the most fearsome heat wave, probably that the humanities ever seen. And, and all of that is bad and will continue to be bad and in fact will get worse in the years ahead because it's clear that there's momentum in this breakdown of physical systems. So that's the bad news that we all know about and one of the things that motivates us constantly to work. On the other hand, we're at a fascinating moment because movements have done their work and because scientists and engineers have done their work. We are at very close to a moment when we can cease the 200,000 year human career of setting stuff on fire. It served us well back in long ago when we were able to start cooking food and when we were able to move north and south away from the equator because we had fire. Even the anthropologists tell us when we learned sitting around the campfire at night many of the social bonds that mark our species and of course combustion burning stuff called gas and oil brought us modernity and the last 300 years for good or for real. So we don't need it anymore. We live at a point in time when all of a sudden the cheapest way to generate energy on this planet is to find a sheet of grass at the sun. That is magic. That's watering to wine. That's some just. It allows us to imagine now going very, very quickly in the right direction. So the metaphor that works here is a race. I include in place the technologies and the ways of living that will allow us to slow down that climate crisis in not just the climate crisis because this last couple of years have been full of reminders that there are other important reasons to get off fossil We know now from the medical community who finally produced really good data on this last year that 9 million humans a year died from the breathing of combustion byproducts of fossil fuel. That's one death in five on this planet. And unnecessary, because we know what the vaccine for breathing those combustion byproducts is. It's called electric bikes and air source heat pumps. None of these are perfect. There's no thing that doesn't cause trouble in this world and we have to figure out how to mine cobalt and lithium and things in ways that don't destroy the planet. 9 million people a year one human death in five more than malaria aids to get to the list is a code read combined each year and completely unnecessary. And we're reminded again by what's happened in Ukraine, the tight link between fossil fuel and fascism. We should know it all the time I mean in our country, the Koch brothers are biggest oil and gas parents used their winnings from their oil and gas to buy themselves a political party and degrade our democracy. The King of Saudi Arabia, you know, gets a pass even as he cuts people's heads off with the sword because we need his oil. I'm here, Putin invades Ukraine because he has unlimited amount of money that comes from oil and gas 60% of his extraordinary. So the ability to quickly get off fossil fuel is the most important thing that we could do possibly doing right now. It is an epic human task. It's possible not just because of the work of scientists and engineers, but even more because of the work of movements over time. The last 15 years as we built movements around this planet. It's been incredibly beautiful to watch human beings rising up in defensive science and against the biggest richest most powerful industries on the planet. And that work has been so amazing to watch. Let me just finish by saying, yeah, it was absolutely right that youth are playing a huge role, big leadership role and we should be incredibly grateful for it. When I started 350 it was with seven college students, you know, and then the kids who took up the divestment campaign, we're the same people who when they graduated college formed the sunrise movement and brought us the green new deal. And that's why we finally got a bill through Congress earlier this summer, the first time the US Congress has ever acted on. But, but it's not okay to just for too many people say, oh, up to the next generation to solve this problem. That's not okay. We've got to back them up with everything we've got and I'll just end by saying, we're having a lot of fun now at this thing we call third act. Nobody else on this call is old enough to join I don't think but for those of us over 60 were organized and hard to back up young people in this fight. One of the things we're really taking on hard is the banks that finance the fossil fuel system. We were just out at a big bank protest that we helped organize and of course lots of high school kids came because high school kids are, you know, know what it's about. And they're somewhat younger and spryer so they were at the head of the March, but at the back of the March there was a big crowd of us, you know, people with hairlines that look like mine. And we were marching under a big banner that said fossils against fossil fuels. So, you know, that's the spirit we're going to do this in we're going to back people up. We're going to make it clear. You know, just how fast we have to change. I cannot tell you how this race is going to come out, but yams right we are right in the middle of this race. And I'm going to stop talking now because I want to hear from She's in no this year and no quite hot heart of all of this. I'll just say that for me the greatest pleasure of the year the sweetest small victory of the year was the work that we did at third act to try and pass successfully is built, we were calling heat pumps for peace and freedom to get a renewable technology off to Europe, because they're facing Okay, just to turn off the gas and if we can turn on renewable energy there will be a lot for freedom and a lot to keep this planet from going in further into the depths of destruction when it already has so so many thanks to everybody who does this. It's really amazing to have gotten to watch it come from nothing 30 years ago to where we are now and what a privilege to get to do a small part of it. Thank you bill. And some people have some comments about, can I get join third act if they're not a US resident. So feel free to add that in the chat if you can. And other ways that they can participate and I want to turn it to fit Lana. I do love that people are using the chat effectively to also ask questions and coordinate so I think that's beautiful. Jaden's helping offer some suggestions. So, Lana. So, as Bill said you've been, you know, right in the middle of things here so bring us into both how you're reading this moment and tell us a little about the context where we're what you've been up to and what you're working with right now. Thank you so much for inviting me and that's always an immense pleasure to speak on the one event or webinar or whatever gathering with Bill and with you as well as with you and with you Daniel. There are many many others who are the power of the moment and who are the moment in general, because I'll probably start from my personal example, when I personally witness all power our climate movement holds towards the social change that we can make all together. It's very beginning of the war in my country, it was February 40, 4024. And we just woke up all from explosions in different cities, and it was massive. And before that we've been listening to the insane speech of some the same seemingly insane dictator who made decades of, of absolute absolute brutality and their illegal power on fossil fuel revenues and we see those dictators also by the way propping up in many countries and strengthening try to strengthen in their power through the through only the fossil fuel reserves but I think now it's a time when we can stop all of them. As we started doing since the war in my country started because the first thing I was thinking of as a campaigner as a part of the movement, how can I make appropriate change for my country. What happened at this very moment is our power of organizing is strong enough our connections and trust that we've built over the years is strong enough to bring the change in immediately. And I just call on some people activists movements in different countries and saying so, I've been a part of a movement that has been led by 350 but by loud advocacy movement by face groups. I've worked a lot with people in the global south and it was so much impressive to me when people from the regions which are and have been historically the most effective as a most affected as an African continent by colonialism by discrimination of any kind as a Latin American countries as Asian countries suffering from their own own sufferings because people suffer seemingly everywhere and from the same reason which are fossil fuels and the climate crisis and energy crisis and many other crises that were just propped up and exacerbated in many ways. And it was absolutely amazing for me to see and to receive the message of solidarity and see a concrete action from many many organizations and we had a coalition of 860 organizations from over 60 countries which was was called stand with Ukraine effectively acting to end fossil fuel war of Russia against Ukraine but also to end absolutely all fossil fuel fossil fuel conflict in many parts of the world, because they are many and dictators are many. But just Russia's brutally aggressive work in my country has made the point more clear than ever that fossil fuels are often used to prop up some of the world's most brutal regimes and even at the expense of innocent people in democratic countries. And maybe the fight for Ukraine's freedom. As we see it happening for now with incredible resistance and I personally being at the frontline I never could have said that it will last for six months so friends from the movement. Keep telling me that yes, this is the thing where the largest fossil fuel dictatorship is attacking you with all powers they were collecting and colliding for many years. So you have to be prepared to a long fight, but these points come together to send us a strong message. Now is time more than ever to organize together and to take power to create climate justice everywhere because, in addition to the war and conflicts created by fossil fuels to immense and mounting energy crisis because we don't know how we will live through this winter and winter will be especially unsafe and unkind to all of us for one part of the world because of the cost of leading crisis and for our part of the world where we are just for the sake of survival and safety for everyone who still remains alive in Ukraine and because half of our country is being absolutely destructed and what we see our movement in a more broader sense being united as it has been as it still continues being acting towards the dictatorship, empowered by fossil fuel revenues towards the fossil fuel companies as for example I have a very good example of action against total energies which we had all together movements from Uganda and Tanzania and many others from France from all over the Europe and also from Ukraine. We had a mock trial on total and people traveled many, many, many long hours and ways just to say that fossil fuel companies have to stop that illegal activities and literally bombard the territory of our country killing civilians as total energy does still for the moment just absolutely hypocrisously refusing all and rejecting all accused all very fair accusations but I believe that this time will come soon that we will celebrate one win after another win as a movement because we are the power to change and actually the power of organizing. I mean with the new tools available to use via the internet and social media we are able to quickly mobilize across the world, which we've seen it. During multiple actions we had and especially those that led by Fridays for Future and other use movements because all spring and all summer we had continuing actions of and mobilizations in Europe and across the world to ban all Russian fossil fuels. And we had some successes as well, which where I can with the embargo on coal and in partial embargo on oil and now we are strongly trying to push for a guest embargo from the European Union and what we see on the other side happen happening that European Union but also all the world all countries that have been put into the dependency from fossil fuel, revenues and undemocratic regimes as from Russia being mostly based with the economic success on Russian cheap gas and available oil. And I'll start started thinking what what should we do and how can we escalate this clean energy transition how we can build more renewables even if we do have money to invest in them. Do we have, do we have enough of willpower or we just better look behind on us and just open the doors to another continent to look for LNG terminals and to look for some LNG gas and for continuing investment into the debt and into the fossil fuels. And to say so I see a climate movement as a big and a powerful unity of people everywhere in every part of the world, collectively rising up against the fossil fuel dictatorships. And I truly believe the state these days that we win will come because we are now putting pressure on governments, including banks and financial institutions everywhere and from the latest we have the city bank, one of the biggest of Russian fossil fuels but also other fossil fuels, announcing that they have been doing up some credits and loans in the commercial loans in Russia and we won't stop there we would like to strengthen the global movement to end the fossil here especially as people learn how dirty energy has enabled the war against our country and other devastating conflicts around the world and as they see impact on the Ukrainian people and our struggle I have also to say is a struggle for justice and I can't agree more with you but stating today that any kind of justice is extremely important and we even quantify them into racial social climate justice because this is the one we have to achieve the justice towards everyone on the planet. And I believe this time will will will we will witness soon and we will fast and fast in this fight with inspiring energy transformation and what I also wanted to say, because people sometimes when they don't see a quick wins can get discouraged that yes things are not happening overnight. We would like to cut all financial flows to Putin or to us a dictator in the world overnight to make them close all tabs to make them to make them abandon all activities but to do so to achieve these we have to understand that they were building that illegal power for many years and we now have such a short time to being over them. So, that's why we have to be as much powerful as never. And to end with that to end with this, I would like to say, thank you and how grateful we are for international solidarity for global solidarity being felt the most from different parts of the world and from different movements. And I can name our 350. Of course, because that's become a family and sunrise project become a family fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty. Many big and small organizations and I feel go from from Uganda and Tanzania partners against eco and many many others who made several and who said a good word who send a good attitude towards us and who participated campaigns and the most effective thing I've been witnessing that we've not we've not been coordinating that much having extensive calls but the movement is the moment and the movement is independent and sufficient and distributed campaigning was happening and is still happening in the many effective ways where everyone is bringing and building a change separately but when we come together we see the picture. And this beautiful picture inspires me to move forward and I feel that I am only a very small dot on the world map of a beautiful many many beautiful dots in every part of the world. I have a connected and super connected and very efficient and very well organized and I wish us all always believe into win that we are those these generations that can deliver the wins so we don't have other way and I believe just very final moment. Since the very beginning, I truly believe that climate crisis and the war and energy crisis share the same roots and these roots are fossil fuels. And I think no doubt for now that we have to absolutely, absolutely defund, debleed and absolutely and the root cause of all these problems of fossil fuels and that's, then we all will live in peace with the renewable energy community on and fossil fuel companies will be our blaming history. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much sit Lana. I'm always moved by by the work you're doing and the way you're carrying yourself in this time. And as you're talking about this fabric of the global community. I'm looking at in the back of bills video he has a picture of Martin Luther King who said it justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. And I think the reverse is also true, which is part of what you're saying that justice anywhere is also a threat to injustice everywhere. And that's part of what we're building here is our little pieces of justice that we're creating those moments. Those have echoes outwards. And so it's interesting each, each one of you brought a different component of hope in the midst of a war in the midst of a very huge setback politically in terms of the Marcos regime in the context of still the shadow of a Trump era. And I'm curious. It's interesting that we're talking about hope in this way, because I think many people that's not the feeling that they would first express about the movement that's not true for many of us that we're feeling in a different shape. And I'm curious. What do you say to folks or what's your position with those of us who are not feeling that particular feeling in terms of the psychology of where we are. I'm just curious like, how are you navigating with the folks at your meeting who are not feeling in that shape at this moment, either because they're reading it differently or because just our own personal psychology. So, I just want to open for a few minutes that and, and there may be some other questions that also drift in as well. But yeah, Bill, since you both haven't chatted yet recently. What do you say to that. That that is truly important, Daniel, and it is sometimes numbing to experience so much and witness so much of the suffering around us and as Bill pointed out, we're nowhere near where we should be in terms of averting the climate crisis we have not averted the Paris agreement has not averted the climate crisis, nor has this movement. And, and therefore, it can be really challenging, but it's also quite numbing because, you know, as activists you need to try to be strong all the time or at least pretend to be especially if you hold a leadership position. But it is also life changing, you know, when all of these catastrophes give you very few choices, but it offers you the choice between hope and despair. Well, you have you will have to decide that you choose something that will make you move forward. And to your question, I absolutely agree. And I think I think at the risk of, of, of a trademark violation, I'd say, it's okay not to be okay. But it's a it's a human condition that precisely wants us to understand why all of this is happening. And again, the personal it should always be political in the kind of work we do and we should acknowledge the pain that we all go through. And what I would say to those who are going through something difficult at a very personal level, you are not alone. There's thousands of activists who feel the same. And you know, after after the Philippine elections, we, we, we, it was very heavy. The feeling was very heavy. I'd imagine, of course, in, in the case of our friends from Ukraine that that is way way beyond what I can imagine. And, and to be such in a situation. I mean, there's, I don't know what to say to people who really feel so, so heavy about things, but except to say that they are not alone and that we want to be able to create mechanisms so that people can cope and anxiety for so many people, you know, in, because of the climate crisis, especially for young people is, is record breaking levels. So we want to be able to express support to each other as much as we can. And also take inspiration from people who are able to pick up the pieces despite of tragedy. I know so many people from lived experience, especially after super typhoon high and who lost their entire family. But now are inspiring beacons of activism in the world. So it can be done. But again, not to impose on any particular individual on how they should feel, but they should always be available available for for each other. And, and kindness is something that sometimes scars in, in, in, in many parts of this movement. And so I always advocate for kindness, kindness is something that we should always remember and should be a badge of honor for us because kindness is always lacking in the fossil fuel industry.  And, and that could give us a lot of strength. It's, it's hard. It's really hard. And there's no single answer to how people how an individual should cope from from all of this. Amen to that. Amen to that. And just one of the things that's good about having a big movement is there are moments when it's just too hard for any of us to keep going for a while. And so we have to be able to step aside a little bit and let other people fill in for a little while. And that's part of the movement. It's the backup of the people and fill in and, and, and make sure and, you know, six months from now, when Ukraine has won its fight.  And, and, and we're going to have to make sure that she can do that.   That's what movements do. They take care of each other. And it's, you know, there's always a temptation to have in fighting and, you know, so on and I think that's the thing we should try our hardest to avoid unity really matters. And it's just such a, such a pleasure when we get to have gatherings like this and just be reminded of how many good people there are hard at work all the time. Thanks. And one more just area and then we'll, we'll close this piece is when you're kind of scanning out there in the movement, what are some of the different pieces that inspire you. And so, so Lana of course your, your, in your moment, you're very much in your situation but also for Bill and yet both of you have a very international perspective. And so what are some of the different different movement pieces that you're finding. Well, let me say is a different one, one other different way. People are often wondering, what should I do. And one thing they ask is, what's the one or two things that I should be working on right now. And so when you look at avenues that seem these avenues have some mechanism to really take out the fossil fuel industry right now. And one of the avenues that you think are most compelling for movement activists. If we're not researchers on solar bat, you know, solar technology or we're not policy analysts, what are the, what are the avenues for movement activists that are most inspiring to you right now. So just give us, give us one or two examples of those. So, maybe it's that Lana if you want to share first and then we'll move on from others. So to put a pressure of visible pressure, a bold and fierce pressure on the policymakers on the power holders on financials on those who hold the keys, obviously, and all funds to unlock that renewable energy transformation and just to give one example, speaking to in the European Parliament inside against the EU taxonomy, which is absolutely, absolutely criminal as well, as long as war in Ukraine is any connection to Russian gas is an oil, it's very illegal, but I was confronted by a few MPs, which was just eating their lunch and saying so. And what plan can you offer to our voters. When I come to my country then what can I say them how can they continue, leave as usual to their business as usual, use fossil fuels as usual but if we won't have Russian oil and gas. And I said no no I'm sorry. I'm not here for that. I'm here to represent the political people's power and to make a pressure on you to find an expert to find some budgets to find many things and resources that you are holding, being on the top on the government on the top and make these things possible, you have to create a plan, not we, not we, we just have to give you a strategic direction and this is our avenue to provide some strategic directions, and to put a pressure on those who think that they are on the top of the very tall building and exactly J7 in very isolated place just been only accessible with the private with the private helicopters, which normal people can't effort never. And so, no isolated spaces, open politics and putting pressure on policymakers and being brave and being resilient and resistant. And I so appreciate the clarity Svetlana about this is what movements do we put pressure we don't have to come up with all the answers. And so some of the pressure that moves so local activists of suddenly we have to develop all of these plans. That's not, that's not our strength our strength is putting pressure to be able to move, move the mountain that way. Bill, what are some of the pieces that you're, you're seeing that are our avenues that you think are important for movement activists be taking what some of the strategies that you see think have some merit for these times. Yeah, you want me to say a few things. First, I'll set a couple of things then we'll end with you. Look, there's great stuff happening all over the world. You know, down in Australia, they've just launched this movement move beyond coal to stop the export of coal out of the biggest world's biggest coal exporter. People in Africa are fighting hard against this East African crude oil pipeline they're doing amazing work. And I think they may well win. On and on and on all over the world. If you don't live next to a pipeline or a coal mine, you do live near bank you do live near some big pot of money that's contributing mightily to this problem. So, one of the things we're doing is trying to take on those bank trying to take on really the capital and capitalism. The four biggest American banks chase city Wells Fargo Bank of America are also the four biggest lenders to the fossil fuel industry, including being big lenders off to Vladimir Putin. So, we're organizing all this work to get people we're going to have big day in the spring when everybody is cutting up their credit cards from these banks. We're going to need people thinking of we're going to need people underwater on dying coral reefs and people up against the, you know, fire scarred forests and people outside banks and people in front of beautiful wind turbines and on and on and on, because, because look, Wall Street remains incredibly important and if we can bring these guys to their knees a little bit, then we can help out this race. Our job is to speed up the guys who are trying to do the right thing and trip up the guys who are trying to do the bad stuff. And so this is one way to go at it. Everybody's everybody's near some kind of money someplace and and and let's take it out. For me, ultimately, you know, we're all human beings. We are individuals after all, but and therefore you want to look for opportunities that sustain each one of us and nurture our activism. And you know, one of the most uplifting experiences I've had in recent months is whenever I go to a remote island or a remote community and just have conversations with them how they're being affected, not just by climate change, but the kind of, you know, destructive economy that we all live in. And whether these are fishing communities or farming communities, it's really amazing to just see their perspective. And I would always recommend that to anyone if we were trying to enhance our activism or grow, find growth in our activism. And there's always a challenge, of course, to find our practices, the intersection of theory and practice. And I agree very much with Svitlana, you know, we in a movement in this movement, we have too much paper, you have too much too many documents, we have too many plans. Those things are important, but I think we need action always speaks louder than than all of these documents. So I find so much strength when we organize civil disobedience actions, especially so be you can be involved in a lot of civil creative means of civil disobedience, wherever you are, and that that really allows you to enhance the praxis, because that is one of the most fulfilling things for an organizer to see your theory come into reality. And I also agree with, with focus, you know, focus on things and not try to do so many things at the same time. And I think that's been the strength of smaller organizations, the focus that they have and it's really, really amazing when you start to home in on a particular issue and then you excel in that and that really contributes so much to the movement. Wonderful. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Yeah, Bill Svitlana. This is really beautiful. So thank you for this phase. And in the next hour, we're going to get to hear from two campaigners to kind of like a case study. That's kind of an academic term but we get to just hear from some organizers, talking about how they're navigating some of the dynamics within this phase within this, the spirit of a movement. So, Shimona I'm going to ask you to, if you'll go first. And then Oscar, some pile will get to share after that. And so, just as kind of a setup Shimona. So Shimona and I have been chatting for a while over the last couple of months, largely over the question. Well, I'll say it my way and then she can navigate her own but, but that for many of the groups I've worked with, at least that I've both touched locally in my region and also tracking some of the different organizations and the globe. The pandemic has been an incredible hit to organizing. And so for many of us, it's been like hard restarts, total restart. We've had people who just got burned out or just needed to take care of themselves or their families or whatnot. And so that's been one one piece of this state of the movement. And Shimona and I have been talking about how they've been navigating that. So, I know there's lots of other considerations about how you're bringing in more climate justice perspective and intersectionality and you're organizing. But I was thinking Shimona would be great to tell some stories about how they're navigating this moment. And so, those of you who are also organizers or activists. Maybe you might want to pull out your notepad and take some tips about, oh, that's a tactic we might try. So we'll get to hear from Oscar and Shimona so Shimona, why don't you go first. I think we're a period of time and and I may interrupt just to ask a few questions here and there. And then, and then Oscar will get to hear from you. Yeah, go for it Shimona. Thank you. First I just want to thank everyone for being here and it's been such an honor to listen to you. Yeah, I've been sit Lana and bill. Thank you for being so appreciative. And I also just want to call in. I'm calling in from the Coast Salish lands. The first peoples of where I'm from, otherwise known as Seattle, Washington USA. I also would like to name that I am a nervous. And so just like please have patience with me. I'll try my best to speak slowly and clearly so people can understand. But as a leader in my organization I, this is one of the things that I do to just like make space for everybody to like name their needs ahead of time to create a more welcoming accessible space as if we just come in with honesty of just like here's where I'm at coming into this space. And as a leader in my group it's been one of those things that I've built up in our organization, especially in response to the pandemic. When we all kind of had to collectively be like whoa here's what we all need to do right now. Which is, I can't be on zoom calls this not how I participate and I need to step back. I need to be here for my family so I need to step back. This is a lot more emotionally of a toll for me then I need to step back and so the past few years it's been a lesson and just like meeting people really meeting people where they're at. Obviously like we say that a lot we throw that around a lot and a lot of movement spaces, but I think this was the past couple years when we truly listen to people what they needed and met them where they were at. But that looks like where I'm calling from at 350 Seattle was really doing a deep dive and like what our community needed and how we could support them, and especially on and like community level just person to person but also in our campaign work. Now speak a little bit about our campaign work first, we realized that we needed a lot more, bring in a lot more resiliency because like their systems in our Seattle that just like weren't working for us. And so we had to do the work in order to take care of our community so we had a lot of like mutual aid pods popping up where we're like getting groceries to people who needed them supplies, taking care of a lot of the houseless folks. In our different neighborhoods in our community in Seattle. And from that we started to steadily learn and like change what we. What was a priority for us as an organization. And so at the beginning of the year we went through the you know, like a strategic plan where we really got together and talked about what are the goals that we want to achieve for the rest of this year after going through like the worst parts of the pandemic and climate crises and the Black Lives Matter movement. All of these things kind of took us to this point where we had to really evaluate what we have done in the past and how are we going to move forward and move forward in a way that really calls in the community resiliency and climate justice and kind of combining those to really deepen our campaign work and what we call our climate resilience hubs. So we went, we did what you said to spit Lana like going after the people who are do these policies that the key holders of different those so our city council and our state senators and legislators and representatives, and putting pressure on them to meet the needs of the community right now because our community was suffering right now. So our work, we have focused our scope on solutions and community resilience hubs, specifically in like our community centers because that's where people gather. And if we can't gather in those places in a safe, healthy way, then we need to do something about that. So that on the campaign side is where we kind of like set our priorities and are doing a lot of that great work. And in that work is where we started building deeper, more powerful authentic relationships with volunteers in our community, different partners in our community, specifically our partners that are working on the front lines of the climate crisis and also on in the labor movement and other social justice organizations as well. And so, through this can't these campaigns we've built these beautiful coalitions, where we have organizations who are solely focused on like abolitionists principles, we have different types of unions. And specifically like health like nurses caregivers the IBW electricians and all of us coming together at the table to push for resilient community centers and through that both in the infrastructure like these buildings need to be prepared for like power outages or or heat or extreme cold or smoke. And then on the flip side making sure that there's programming and green jobs for union jobs and a place for like our elders and our houseless and our youth to go and feel safe and care for and welcomed. And so, that is what we are in the midst of working and we're just like super excited by how many like friends we've made, and that's been like the biggest goal and like learn joyous thing that we've done and a lot of our work is just like wow look at all the friends we made and like thinking of them as friends. Yeah, go for it. Well, I wanted to ask you. Can you give us some examples of how you've been like rebuilding this direction, like what are some of the different events you've been doing to, to build out that community. Yeah. So a lot of that, what we started with. And I foolishly forgot to mention what the campaign even was, we call it our healthy through heat and smoke. And the way that campaign got started is we started with a book club. We found a book, we made it free for everybody and accessible in a variety of ways, like, hey, if you're not a big reader here's this podcast you can listen to. Oh, you don't have time for that here's this little fact sheet that you can read and we invited everybody into our community space at different points of time to just gather and to discuss this one particular book. We also created spaces like if people weren't ready for that we created more community building spaces like art builds, coming together to create art for this campaign. We also created spaces for people who are like I'm not there yet I need some time to process. So we have what we call our climate grief and empowerment group where they come together to walk talk through, kind of like some of the things that we were talking before about feeling numb and like like some people need to work through that first. And so we offered space to do that in a group setting, guided by mediators in our community. And then another thing once we. What was the book. The book. Oh, that is a good question and the name of the book is escaping me right now, and I will find it after cool. But it was. Oh, I can't believe I cannot remember book. It was a powerful book never to be forgotten. Got it. Yes.  And then, in conversation we built a campaign. We've learned what different people from the different parts of our community wanted and needed. And we did our research and we mapped our community and mapped out who, who we would need to get on our side we definitely took some conversation from the labor movement of just being like all right who are the stakeholders, and who do we need to have conversations with. And that's been a really great learning in like bringing in different elements from other movements outside of the climate movement, and pairing it with our own because like another lesson that we learned coming out of the pandemic. And so a little just work smarter and not harder like there's no need to recreate the wheel over and over and over again don't need 50,000 more documents brainstorming someone. There's somewhere somewhere, someone somewhere has already done some of this work, and all we have to do is have a conversation with them. And get inspiration from how other people are doing their engagement and actions in the world and to replicate that work. Yeah. Great. And then about sort of just how you've been organizing so a lot of what you've done has been shifting from. This is a very global north way of organizing by drive driving campaigns through set a target set a goal action action action, and that now you've been shifting into a different way of operating. One that seems very replicable for other groups. Are there other techniques that you've been grabbing or using that you think would be useful for other people if they were to begin working in this kind of way. It would be helpful for them to as your I mean this is an experiment right doing an experiment. So are there other techniques that you would suggest for people based on your experiment that you've learned as you are working with activists who are working at 100 miles per hour. Kilometers sorry global 100 kilometers per hour. 250 kilometers per hour to going at a different speed. So just curious other other lessons that you would grab out of this. I think our biggest lesson was when we had to go to a certain point of where we had to give ourselves the permission to slow down even stop and do a lot of the internal work so for us a lot of the challenges and to even get to that our goal was to like honestly learn how to set boundaries, learn how to say no to things. Acknowledge that like whoa, the scope of what we were doing was too much for us and we had to focus. We had a conversation about mental health and asking for the things that we needed and being there for each other when like Bill said like one of us needed to step back. There was other people who could fill that spot space. And in the past, like that was not something we were good at and this is the year that we got really good at holding each other, naming the things that we needed. Setting that up for our volunteers and our partners as well as like being transparent about like here's where we're at and here's what we can do. And also just like adding that on every level, even in our documents of just like mental health reminders, you don't have to you are allowed to say no, if you need space take space, like being honest about like our own personal needs and boundaries and that as like on the personal level as a small team as an organization. And so those that was a lot of things that we took time to do we did a lot of training around trauma informed conflict resolution because like let's be real. This is a really traumatic time that we're going to going through and sometimes things happen and conflict arises and we need to find the tools to deal with it in a healthy way. And not in a way that says conflict is bad, like no it's good as long as we can work through it, and to meet each other on either side and like find ways to move past it, learn from it and keep growing. And we did a lot of that throughout the pandemic. It's not a shame to admit it's how we how we keep moving through this like let's be real with sometimes we fight and we got to find a way to make sure that we're not fighting each other but we're fighting with each other. And it's okay to struggle together. And so that was a lot of the big lessons that we learned in this past year and like, I'm really proud about how transparent we are about like asking and receiving feedback. And that's another thing that especially in the, you know, the global north is in the USA, like admitting like we made a mistake is like, really hard. And, and doing the repair work necessary after if a mistake is made is like also can be really hard but like I, we're, we're making really great progress and like doing that well, like getting to a point where, like, yeah, we might make a mistake, but we know how to, you know, apologize and repair, instead of being like we're perfect we never make mistakes. That's not true. Thank you for all of that but I just appreciate that trajectory and in some ways one thing I'm hearing is. I just said, it's not a battleground. And I hear you offering another image of, I see you almost as a, like a fern, the way that ferns grow and kind of release up as a gentle tendril. And so the image I mean use the word growth. That's what tripped that into me, but the idea that we're doing is we're growing the movement. And that's a gentle act, as opposed to a battlefield that we're into and, you know, thank you. That's, that's wonderful. And, and we're excited to see where 350 Seattle goes next. And so Oscar, I want to bring you into this conversation to share about the work that you've been doing. You've been working on fracking in Columbia, which has had some, some successes and then setbacks. And, and you're hearing this conversation about how we're also dancing with the state of the movement so both bring us into the situation in Columbia and the work that you've been doing. And also, what are some of the lessons that you're bringing to us about the inspiration about how to organize in these times, because your context is different. And you've also been making huge strides and huge progress. And so it's been fun. You don't know it, but I've been watching you from afar for a while. So it's great to get to hear close up. Good night. Good night. Sorry, I made a mistake to Shimona's point. Just in case folks have not gone and checked interpretation. Oscar will be speaking in Spanish so if you haven't checked English as your language of choice. You'll want to do that so that you can hear Oscar. If you make a mistake, it's okay. Thank you, Oscar. Okay, no. De nada, Daniel, pues no muchas gracias a todas y todos por este espacio a 350 para mí también es un honor poder compartir la palabra en este, en esta reunión en este espacio. Oscar Sampaio es Defensor de Derechos Humanos y de la naturaleza aquí en Colombia, un país de Suramérica de 50 millones de habitantes que limita con Venezuela, con Brasil, con Ecuador, con Perú y con Panamá. Nosotros desde las organizaciones sociales que estamos en este territorio que es el Magdalena medio a la orilla del río Magdalena en un puerto a la orilla del río Magdalena que se llama Barranca Bermeja. Hacemos parte de una pequeña organización o una organización local que se llama la Corporación Regional Yary-Geehan que defendemos la naturaleza de estas dinámicas. Destracción de hidrocarburos que se ha impuesto sobre el territorio por más de 104 años que lleva esta dinámica acá en Barranca Bermeja. Nosotros estamos desde esa pequeña, desde esa organización local haciendo incidencia regional y nacional y articulando. Bueno, me mutuaron, pero bueno, una plataforma que es la Alianza Colombia Libre de Fraki, que es una plataforma que la integran más de 100 organizaciones de diferentes partes de Colombia. De la región del Magdalena medio, de Bucaramanga, del departamento de Santander y de otras ciudades de Colombia. Nosotros, lamentablemente, en Colombia vivimos en una situación de violencia, esa serpada muy alta en la cual los líderes ambientales estamos sufriendo y padeciendo de diferentes agresiones a la vida. Global Wignes, en el reporte del 2020, reportó alrededor de 65 asesinatos a líderes ambientales y en medio de esta situación es la que nosotros tenemos que vivir o lo que tenemos que padecer. La violencia en este país está recludeciendo hacia diferentes liderazgos sociales, los líderes defensores de derechos humanos o firmantes de paz. Acordémonos que Colombia sale de un proceso o de una guerra con una guerrilla que duró más de 50 años. Y en el 2016 se firma un tratado de paz entre el Estado colombiano y estas guerrillas y a partir del 2016 se han asesinado a cientos de firmantes de ese proceso de paz. En medio de eso también han asesinado a líderes sociales y entre ellos a líderes ambientales. Entonces la labor que nosotros ejercemos es muy dramática y es muy preocupante. Los compañeros han tenido que salir exiliados a diferentes partes del mundo. Hay hoy un compañero en Estados Unidos de la Corporación Regional que haríes y de la Alianza Colombia Libre de Franquil exiliado desde el 2019. Otra compañera Juvelis que se encuentra en Francia exiliada por esa dramática situación en la que viven los defensores de la naturaleza o los líderes ambientales en Colombia donde se asesina, se violenta, se maltrata, se estigmatiza, se criminaliza a las personas que defienden la naturaleza. En medio de esta situación, en medio de esta violencia, las comunidades indígenas han padecido de una situación bien lamentable. Son estos líderes indígenas ambientales los que más han sido asesinados en Colombia en el último año. En este momento, en septiembre del 2022, se pueden sumar más de 17 asesinatos de líderes indígenas en diferentes regiones del país, principalmente en el Departamento del Cauca, una situación dramática que se está viviendo en Colombia con el asesinato de estos liderazgos indígenas. En medio de esta situación tan violenta, tan dramática, nosotros desde la Alianza Colombia Libre de Franquil hemos realizado unas acciones de incidencia de todo tipo, social, política, jurídica, y hemos logrado impedir que la técnica del fracturamiento hidráulico, la técnica del fracking, se pueda desarrollar en Colombia. Los principales interesados en realizar esta técnica en Colombia son una empresa estadounidense, Submobile e igualmente empresas canadienses y la empresa Ecopetrol de aquí de Colombia. Nosotros en medio de esta situación de incidencia social, política y jurídica hemos logrado hacer diferentes acciones constitucionales, administrativas para lograr que esta técnica no se ejecute o no se realice aquí en Colombia y también nos ha generado amenazas. En este mes se han realizado o hemos vivido o hemos padecido más de 20 amenazas y atentados contra compañeros que hacen parte de la Alianza Colombia Libre de Franquil o ponerse la técnica del fracturamiento hidráulico ahí es donde exigimos y llamamos al respecto por los derechos humanos y a la debida de diligencia por parte de estas empresas y por parte también del Estado colombiano para que se evite violentar y generar vulneraciones a los derechos humanos de los activistas y de los líderes que nos oponemos al fracking. En medio de esta incidencia y de estos riesgos ha sido victorioso nuestro ejercicio debido a que pues a hoy hemos logrado detener esta imposición de esta técnica. Tenemos allí una incidencia muy política, compañeros, Daniel, Shemona y es que hemos logrado por lo menos construir documentos o proyectos de ley para intentar prohibir esta técnica y creemos que en este año o muy próximamente gracias a la incidencia de muchos actores principalmente de la Alianza Colombia Libre de Fracking vamos a lograr establecer detener o prohibir mediante una norma la prohibición de la técnica del fracking y el desarrollo de los yacimientos no convencionales entonces pues si creemos que estamos haciendo una incidencia también social Daniel en la movilización de cientos y de miles de colombianos en diferentes escenarios a partir de unas pedagogías y bueno, voy a dejar eso allí. I'm just pausing so the interpreters can catch up. And one thing that's interesting about your context is that unlike Yeb or Svetlana, whose political context has just rapidly deteriorated, Colombia has threads of hope of political context, and many of that are pieces that you've earned as a movement. And can you speak about what are some of the, the things that you've done that's helped earn that context, a very strong vice president who has deep credentials as a climate activist, shaping the, the legislation you're talking about, and even in the midst of a pandemic in the midst of a long war, what are some of those elements that you all have been able to maintain to be successful. Bueno Daniel, vivimos un escenario político diferente a partir de la elección de Gustavo Petro y de Francia Marques como Siendo electos como presidente. Pero también hay una esperanza grande en que las mayorías en en lo legislativo en el Congreso de la República se puedan mantener para generar esas transformaciones. Por eso es que la incidencia política se ha logrado y ha llevado a que figuras más allá de Francia, más allá de Gustavo, terminen en una posición dentro del Congreso, que es donde se generan los principales debates para la transformación de un país. El escenario es positivo, el escenario hoy creemos que es algo esperanzador, pero tenemos esta preocupación en torno a otros factores geopolíticos, que están alterando las principales propuestas de gobierno que ojalá se establezcan las principales propuestas de campaña que se establezcan en el gobierno. Y es en torno a los temas extractivos. Debido a estas situaciones geopolíticas, hoy Colombia que estaba llamado a transitar hacia el camino de la transición energética justa hacia las comunidades con estas propuestas de Francia, con esas propuestas de Gustavo Petro, pues hoy nos dicen, pero es que necesitamos el carbón que hay en su país o el carbón que existen en estos países porque el carbón de Rusia no se puede comprar, entonces nos someten a unas lógicas que entendemos, pero también generan unos riesgos sobre los caminos hacia la transición energética justa que necesita entrar los países de América Latina o otros lugares del sur en estos momentos. Entonces, tenemos preocupación al respecto con estos sentidos que otros intereses más globales terminen opacando y terminen imponientose a unas políticas de gobierno que se pretenden desarrollar para el beneficio de todos los colombianos. Entonces, y otro tema fundamental, Daniel y compañeros, es el tema de la protección de la Amazonía. Estamos viendo que la Amazonía colombiana está siendo altamente deforestada y es un tema que tiene que ser de una prioridad para el gobierno y también para el mundo en la preservación de este espacio y este territorio que genera unos bienes ecosistémicos, unos garantías para la preservación de muchas especies, pero también contribuye a que la naturaleza de América del Sur, pero también del planeta, tengan unas calidades que debemos proteger y el tema de la deforestación está siendo muy alta en este lugar de Sudamérica. And so with the campaign that you've been running around fracking, what are some of the, as you've been listening to people talking about the state of the movement, what are some of the ways that you've been adapting, how you've been working based on the landscape that we're living in right now? Daniel y compañeros, en ese momento la principal estrategia es detener los pilotos de fracking que fue autorizado el gobierno anterior, dejó unos contratos firmados y va a ser complicado para el nuevo gobierno poder generar unas controversias contractuales o poder revertir estos contratos ya firmados entre el estado colombiano. En ese entonces representado por el gobierno Iván Duque y empresas como ExxonMobil, empresas como Shell, empresas canadiense como Canacol Energy o en una empresa Junior, Petroleray Junior que operan aquí en Colombia con inversión canadiense. Entonces ese es el principal reto de poder revertir o poder generar esas controversias contractuales con estos contratos ya firmados. Entonces seguimos con un fuerte ejercicio de incidencia política a nivel nacional en el Congreso para que se debata el proyecto de ley y se pueda prohibir, medio un proyecto de ley, el desarrollo de la técnica. Igualmente estamos adelantando una fuerte peagogía con las comunidades con unos riesgos, pero los asumimos en temas de seguridad. Estamos acompañando a las comunidades en su territorio generando peagogía, generando información, traduciendo estos estudios técnicos, estudios científicos que entregan las petroleras para que el ciudadano del común, el pescador, el campesino, el ciudadano del pueblo que vive en estas ruralidades de Colombia que son muy emporecidas, puedan entender estos documentos de los estudios de impacto ambiental para que tengan una comprensión de la magnitud del perjuicio y de las afectaciones a la naturaleza y a las afectaciones al entorno de la fauna y de la florera que se puede generar si se permite la explotación por medio del fracking. Entonces hacemos pedagogía fuerte en estos territorios y hoy tenemos una gran aceptación de las comunidades locales y nacionales, o es decir, hoy no hay un licenciamiento social por parte del pueblo colombiano para que este tipo de proyectos se puedan desarrollar y eso es gracias a la pedagogía en diferentes niveles que hemos logrado de capacitar o de generar información más allá de lo técnico y de lo que sale en televisión o lo que explican los interesados principalmente las empresas petroleras. Entonces, eso es lo que hemos hecho Daniel y hemos obtenido victorias, entonces el llamado es a la organización social a generar eso que tú decías del tejido social y también de lo que es Libana manifestaba de generar justicia, nosotros estamos llamando a hacer justicia ambiental por medio de estos proyectos porque no comprendemos en medio de este caos climático, esta irracionalidad en el consumo que está generando esta crisis climática que Colombia, según las Naciones Unidas, es uno de los principales países en verse afectados en este caos climático y lo estamos viviendo, están profundizando el negocio de la extracción de hidrocarburos utilizando esta técnica al fracate entonces hay unos riesgos Daniel pero continuamos allí en la defensa de la naturaleza también protegiéndonos y defendiendo los derechos humanos. That's wonderful. Thank you. Thank you so much Oscar. One of the things I hear is the that as this, as the political situation begins to shift, which is what we are seeing in more places that it will continue to shift, that we then have to deal with a new problem which is the breaking of deals that have been made by our governments previously, dealing with Jeff on the chat was talking about earlier the fact that the language of reserves is not a useful term for fossil fuel that's sitting in the ground, but that it should be called something like our burden, because it's now a burden to have fracking underneath us a it's a burden to have oil gas underneath us because it becomes a threat to our community directly and a threat to the planet. And so, one of the new situations that will unfold and more of our context is how do we break those deals that have been historically made or the promises, because they are no longer moral, they never were moral, but the morality is is cannot be tolerated. So I appreciate you talking about some of the strategies of community based direct action and education, the political pressure. And then I'm also aware that for many other places also we've been using a lot of the financial tools, getting international banks to be the ones to break the break it from the financial perspective. Anything else that you just want to add before we're just we're rounding into the last piece here but anything else that you want to add Oscar. Daniel, well, for the last time, I want to thank you again and generate this kind of space because although local and regional struggles in South America are dynamic that should be manifested in different latitudes in the world. Because they are companies, mainly the global north, that come to these territories to generate this kind of tensions and environmental conflicts and the main benefits or the main ones. Those who earn with this business are mainly economies or companies from the global north, but the affectations and contaminations and violations to human rights we live here in the global south. So that's the call to generate this type of synergies, as they manifested it, because there are struggles that are currently deepening in this part of the world. Because they are calling us to deepen the extractivism of all kinds and worries us. There are plans until 2050 to continue extracting oil in our territories. Acosta and the disposal of our communities and the extermination of indigenous peoples. So thank you very much Daniel and thank you very much to everyone for allowing me to share the word. Thank you to all the participants which we're sending out those of you who are watching it on stream or watching live on zoom. Thank you all the participants. Thank you all of the tech people, the interpreters. Sorry, I speak too fast. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for all the panelists. I'm going to say Katie's going to put up a link for if you have any feedback or evaluation, or if you do want to certificate for attending this that's, there's ways that you can get that through that link. And I also just want to. Any feedback that you want to offer us or additional ideas or connections. We will be sending out this recording along with some of the chat so that people can watch it on ongoing. Again, thank you everybody. I just want to close with a quick story that I think for me at least relates to this moment of the state of the movement. And so the story is, it's about me and canoeing. So, my, my daughter who's three at the time, she and myself, and my sister under a part of what we were all in the canoe together. And so we were canoeing is a beautiful day sunshine blue skies. And we got out to the small little islands near where I live. Had some picnic. And we saw a few clouds off in the horizon. And so he said, we should probably get back. And so as we were heading back home. Suddenly this the storm just came upon us very quickly. And it started raining heavily it started very large waves and began to tip our boat. I've never had a canoe or I've never had an experience where I've ever tipped before. And I tipped. We all were wearing life jackets. But my daughter immediately started screaming. And so I grabbed her immediately got her right right into my arms. We grab the canoe. And so there we are. And we realize, we just have to get to shore. The best that I can do in these large waves I'm keeping my daughter above the water in one hand. I've got my paddle that I held on to in the other hand with another hand I'm holding on to the canoe. And with another hand I'm swimming towards shore. And so I'm swimming for I don't know how many minutes it is. And I realize we are not getting a lot closer to shore. And so I look at Andrea, and I see her she has the same look that I have in my eyes. And it's the look of I don't know how long this is going to take I don't know if we're going to make it. And this is where the metaphor is about where we are in the movement. We don't have certainty. And I look at Andrea, and we've known each other for years. And so I know what she's saying to me, she's saying to me, there's nothing else to do but to just keep swimming. And I think of that as so strongly the metaphor for where we are right now. And so it's just the thing is, is we just have to keep swimming. So there I am the three of us, me my daughter, Andrea, and we just keep swimming. And there's this moment where I'm calculating how long, how long will this continue. I don't know if I can do this for how many hours. And so that fear creeps in. And so it's the market for those of us who maybe we have a lot of hope, not a lot of hope, but they're still a behavior to do. We still keep swimming ashore because that's the way to get my daughter safe me and my, my friend, my sister. And so I take a moment at some point where I just I need to readjust to Shimona's point about just I just need to be where I am. And so I'm like, oh, this arm is too tired so I readjust, I put my other daughter, put my daughter my other arm. I get the canoe and another arm and start swimming out with another one. And then I realized in that moment, I can touch the bottom. And that is also a part of social movements, which is, I've been part of many wins. And most of them, there are moments that we absolutely know what's coming next and then there's big moments where we just don't know. We don't see the wind coming. We don't see the thing that's going to shift or break. We don't see the psychic break that's happening in our country and it breaks open. We don't see a historical moment available and and suddenly things shift. And we're not guaranteed them, but they also happen. And they happen even though we've done the best analysis we can do the most robust analysis about what's politically feasible. And I could touch the shore. Andrea couldn't because she's shorter than I am. And, but I could touch the bottom. And so I began walking us towards the shore. And so me, Andrea, my daughter Avery, we all made it to the shore safely. And so we were none the worse for where we made it through and and I hope someday that we get to all hang out together and you can hear Avery tell her side of the story as she tells her version of going into the canoe and coming out and and getting to the shore. Andrea, because I think this is a moment for us. Just to remember about what's possible about what hope is, and also just keep encouraging each other to just keep swimming. So it Lana Bill, yeah, Oscar Shimona, we just keep swimming. And so wherever you are, I just want to encourage that more power to you more strength more love. I love all the work that we're doing. I love this movement. I love the people in it. And I'm just really grateful for all of you. So with that, thank you so much. I will post the evaluation at the end, but thank you so much everyone. Thanks.