I would like to introduce you, Hubert Cario from Red Hat, who is going to present about TLS Test Framework. Thank you. Thank you for coming for the presentation. As Niko said, I'll be talking about TLS testing and verifying that it's actually correct and properly configured. So SSL is dead. Let's start calling it TLS. SSL was the first version that was actually published, but now both of those versions are deprecated, are insecure, and you shouldn't use SSL. The only versions that are secure are TLS 1.0 and up. So what is TLS? TLS is Transport Liars Security. It's known from HTTPS. So basically every time you go to Gmail, you use TLS. It's also used for email security, for Tor, for Internet of Things communication, voice over IP, VPNs. So basically any kind of security, it's most likely will be TLS. So why we use TLS? First is confidentiality, so that the contents of the communication are secret. The integrity, so we make sure that the communication is as it was sent by the other side, so it wasn't modified in transit. And authenticity, so that the data comes from the person we think it comes from also in subsequent messages. So like I said, TLS is a very old protocol. Currently we are pushing nearly 20 years of age if we are looking at the actual on the wire data, since TLS version 1.2 is very similar to SSL version 3, so over 20 years now. Over those years, we had a lot of changes. Nearly 70 RFCs were published that either extend, update, or deprecate functionality in SSL or TLS. We have also six wildly deployed drafts that weren't actually standardized, accepted by the Internet Engineering Task Force. We have something like 27 extensions, and there were a lot of fixes for protocol and implementation bugs, like for secure negotiation for fallback SCSV, signaling cipher suite value, client hello padding, extended master secret that's protection against triple handshake. That made the TLS very complex. Currently we have over 300 cipher suites, just the official ones. There are also unofficial ones used by a very small minority of clients and servers. We commonly use about 15 different key sizes and types. That includes basically four different crypto systems. Commonly they used something like 37 different DV helman groups, 16 signature and hash algorithm pairs. It's a complex protocol, and most of it is a mess. So if we want to test this stuff using TLS libraries that are already available to us, it's rather hard. Most of the TLS implementations really don't want to send invalid data for some reason. So also there's a problem that they want to deprecate old stuff, that they don't want to already ship with SSL version 2 added or supported in the code. So if we take the newest open SSL, you won't be able to test if the server on the other side actually supports or not SSL version 2. Because TLS 1.1 doesn't know how to generate SSL version 2 client hello, so it won't get the response from the other side. Now, we could also use existing protocol fuzzers for testing TLS. Unfortunately, TLS is a complex protocol. There is a lot of state information that it needs to be maintained between the messages. And there's also the question of encryption. So you need to check. You need to be able to encrypt the messages and know which ones were already sent, which weren't sent, and stuff like that. So most of the protocol fuzzers actually are able to keep very simple or basically no state. So they are aimed at testing stuff like HTTP, which doesn't have state, or SMTP, which has very limited state. So that's why we started working on TLS Fuzzer, which is the dedicated network fuzzing or testing library. What we basically TLS Fuzzer runs on Python 2.6 and up. So basically on everything you can imagine. So all distributions shouldn't be much of a problem. It has no native dependencies. So as long as Python runs on this thing, you can run a TLS fuzzer. We currently have something like 60 test scripts that test different features or fields of TLS protocol that translates to over 18,000 individual test cases. It's also relatively fast. On local host, I'm able to test something like 300 test cases per second per core. It focuses on the new crypto and TLS features. We're using it internally at Red Hat for testing new features that are being introduced to TLS libraries. So this is the primary focus for the development. It's also unit tested. Currently, we have over 95% statement coverage. And it allowed us to find something like 20 issues in OpenSSL, GNU TLS, and SS, including one CVE. While I'm calling it Fuzzer now, it's not yet a fuzzer. For now, it's just a framework that will allow to build a fuzzer. And also, while it will be a fuzzer then, it will be a TLS protocol fuzzer. So it will not work on the level of bytes sent on the network. It will mostly focus on modifying the messages. So not sending invalid messages, but sending invalid fields in the messages. So why should you use TLS fuzzer? While we will be testing TLS implementations and hopefully most of the libraries that we don't ship will start using TLS fuzzer, the problem is that some things are configuration specific. And some behavior, some insecure behaviors may be caused by changes in configuration. There are callbacks in the libraries. So if you have callbacks, those callbacks may cause your server to be insecure, despite the underlying TLS library is secure. So that helps with integration testing. Also, you may have some kind of black box like UPS or a firewall or some kind of appliance. And you want to check if that appliance will be able to connect to that appliance with some future fuzzer if it won't have TLS 1.3 incompatibilities or TLS 1.4 incompatibilities. Because TLS as a protocol has a way to negotiate the version that is commonly supported between the client and servers. But some servers implemented it wrongly. So that was one of the reasons why we needed the fallback CSV. So that's also the forward compatibility. And also, you may want to test, use TLS fuzzer for testing your server, your server configuration against obscure clients. Since TLS fuzzer can generate basically any kind of messages, it can generate messages which are sent by uncommonly used clients. And you may still want to keep the configuration that is compatible with them. So you can simulate basically if that client and see if the server will respond and negotiate the connection. So if we want to do that, we basically need to tell the fuzzer first that where to connect, which host which port, which kind of ciphers to advertise and in which order, what kind of extensions to send. So we can send the SNI. So this is the virtual host support. We can do also support groups. So this will be for Elliptic or Divi Helman. Signature algorithms that are for TLS 1.2. And finally, we tell it to generate the client hello with those values and 3.3, which means TLS 1.2 on the wire. And if we, as a response, get a server hello, that means that the connection will proceed and the server actually understood our client hello, said, OK, that sounds like a sensible set of values. We will be able to continue. It sends them the server hello, and we know that we are compatible with it. If it isn't the case, then servers either will send an alert or just close the connection. Both of those situations will be detected by the fuzzer and the test case will fail. OK, so if we want to make a complete connection, this will look something like that. So we, again, have the client hello generator. Then we expect the server hello, then some more messages which are typical for the communication. And at this point, we send to the server some kind of data. Here it could be like a HTTP get or something like that. And then we can expect application data from the server. So we can, on the TLS protocol fuzzer level, we can detect where, well, basically we can do HTTPS requests and stuff like that. And then we have a regular connection close. So we tell that we want to close the connection. And for the close of the connection, the server should reply with close notify also. And then we expect that TCP connection to be closed too. Now, we can also test for vulnerabilities. In OpenSSL, we had a problem where the server would accept the changeCypherSpec message too early in communication. That would cause the connection to establish predictable keys for the encryption and integrity checks. So if you want to see what happens, we basically have to remove all those red messages. That's what we end up with. So we send the changeCypherSpec too early. And if we send it too early, we expect the unexpected message from the other side. We can also create malformed messages. So we can create a regular client. Hello. And then tell it truncate that message, that answering message, by four bytes. And as a result, we should get a decode error, which indicates that the server has noticed that the message is malformed because it's missing those four last bytes. And then you should close the connection. I also added recently some automation for that. So you can set up how to basically start a server and what kind of tests to run against it. So here we have an example for OpenSSL. It sets it up with some test certificates and tells it to accept connections on localhost on 4433 port. And against that server, we'll run those two test cases. This can also tell it that you can exclude some test cases. You can tell it that, yeah, for that version of OpenSSL, let's say, that the test script should fail and stuff like that. So you can make sure that you don't have false positives and false negatives while running it. So if we run this example, we'll get basically this kind of result that will tell us that it ran that test. There were no errors, so it doesn't print anything. It's finished. Then another test, and again, finished. Then killed the server. The server was killed by the SIGterm signal and it ran in the overall five test cases, non-failed. So two scripts passed and zero failed. Now, for the features, we support the SSL version 2 and up till version 3 less 1.2. Most of the ciphers, so AS, CBC, GCM, Chacha 20, this is all supported. Most of the, basically all of the HMAX are supported. Key exchange, both with RSI keys, Divi Helman, Key Exchange, and Elliptic Curve Divi Helman, some new extensions. So encrypt then MAC, secure a negotiation, foldback SCSV, extended master secret. And also we support the draft next protocol negotiation and the actually standardized application layer protocol negotiation. This is necessary for HTTP2 negotiation. Finite field Divi Helman group negotiation. This is actually part of the support for TLS 1.3. It will depend on this functionality and also the server name indication as I showed before. Unfortunately, as most projects, most of the stuff is in progress, we are missing support for TLS 1.3. We have just parts of it. We also are working on RSAPSS and X25519. This will probably come in the next two months or something like that. We don't have support for PSK, Camelia ciphers. And one of the big things is that we don't have support for ECDSA keys, unfortunately. And the upside is that currently something like 90% of the internet uses RSI keys. So it's not such a big, such a hurry to support it. We also don't have hard bit protocols. Unfortunately, I cannot show you the hard bit example and Kerberos from more obscure things. If you want to contribute, unfortunately, we cannot see. But if you want to contribute, the whole code is and script examples and stuff like that is on GitHub, on the TLS Fuzzer repo. TLS Fuzzer internally uses TLS Lite NG implementation. This is a pure Python TLS implementation that I used for the crypto stuff and basically like ASA library to code against and test against. The Fuzzer is under GPL version 2. And TLS Lite NG is under all GPL version 2. Unfortunately, you cannot read them. But tags review request and up for grabs are for people that want to contribute to stuff that I would like and I think that are easiest to contribute to. If you want to take a look and see if you don't find anything fancy, go ahead. And I'll gladly review that pull request. Questions? Any questions? Why is GNU-PG missing feature in TLS? You had it on your slides. So the GNU-PG is basically supported now only by GNU-TLS, nothing else. And actually, most likely, it will go out from that too. There's no plans to add support for GNU-PG to TLS 1.3. And it's incompatible with it. So it's unlikely we'll see it. And most likely, it will be simply removed from GNU-TLS. So you mentioned that you can truncate the packets and stuff. Can you also modify individual fields, for example? So you have a length field, maybe some client or some library is incompatible. If you have more data in extension or less data, then specific length. So the question was, if I can do any kind of other modifications? Yes, I can. There is a lot of modifiers, or like mutators, let's call them, to the packets. I can inject changes on the handshake protocol level. So I can modify bytes. I can insert bytes. I can XOR them with certain values. I can, of course, set any kind of values I want in the array. So if I want a longer array, I can just add stuff to it. And also, I can inject changes while the encryption is taking place. So in default TLS, the encryption goes like this. You first have data, then you calculate MAC over it so that there's integrity checks. And I can modify that MAC value. Then you have added padding. And again, I can modify that padding using those kind of mutators. And only after that it is encrypted. And that encrypted data I can again modify at arbitrary places. We have time for a few more questions. So what are your testing experience with existing implementations? Especially also TLS hardware accelerators. I mean, you don't have to mention names, but how often does a TLS server crash when being accessed with your library? So the overall experience is that if you can imagine some kind of error and bug, you will find it on the internet. And I haven't tested much servers, like typical accelerators and stuff like that. We are focusing on the stuff we ship in Rails. So that's NSS, GNU TLS, and OpenSSL. From those, there are differences. In NSS, it's usually quite good. With OpenSSL, it's not exactly this stellar, and GNU TLS is similar. As far as RFC compliance goes, I wasn't able to crash either of them. Mostly the problems are of the, like, they accept malformed messages when they shouldn't. But they interpret the data quite sensibly. So in 99% of the cases, this is not exploitable. But better safe than sorry. That's my opinion with the link of that kind of problems. If I understood correctly, you're not generating any, like, a fuzzing payload yourself, is it? Like, it's not that you would generate random test cases, but rather you pre-define your tests, right? Have you looked into, say, escapee, for example, what these guys are doing? And I don't know, is there any plan to convert to escapee, say? So the payloads are generated using the TLS fuzzer. So the problem is that you have the encryption in place. So you have to make sure that, like, you have to fuzz the data before it is encrypted, usually. And Scapi was actually one of the libraries I was looking at before writing it, before starting to work on TLS fuzzer. I noticed that it is very hard to keep that state that is necessary for encryption in Scapi to be able to generate the finished message, because finished messages needs to be encrypted. So basically, that was one of the libraries I excluded from using, because I couldn't use it. I couldn't basically test using it the first bug I was working on. OK, thank you, Hubert. And we have a five minutes break.


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Hello Freedom Family! Today we're going to show you our second product for Heartbeat, the platform we are building for you called Heartbeat Photos. It lets you upload photos from your computer or your Google Drive into a click-less gallery. What is a click-less gallery? Well, here I've put seven of my photos about my kids into a gallery and if you look I can just hover over the thumbnails here and it shows the image on the right. No clicking. Also, if I press R, I can rotate the image. This is useful in case you take the image in the wrong direction so you could quickly rotate it and I can zoom in. Let's say I want to take a closer look at this face. Look at that face. What I did is I pressed five, four, three, two, and then one comes back to the original view. I can also press nine. This is the maximum view, something like that. Or press one to come back to the original zoom. You can also move the thumbnails around to the different locations. If you don't like them, you can in the future do image correction, color correction, sharpening, all of these things we're going to build for your photos. Now, where are they stored? These are stored on Google Drive. They're on our Google Drive, so you could upload your photos. We'll store them for you for free or you'll be able to use your own Google Drive so you could use your own storage and be confident that your photos are safe because it's under your account. That's the beauty of heartbeat photos. It's just a better way to show your photos rather than trying to convince you to use everything by us. We can just let you use your own storage and we just make the interface nicer for you to see. Okay, why is this helpful? How does this help you make money? Well, let me show you. One product which you can use right now is here, Vicky, a video wiki, vi.ki. Just go there www.vi.ki and you'll see this. On the Vicky, there are embedded videos as well as photos which then you can embed from your heartbeat photos into your own Vicky. Then when we make money from ads displayed around your content, be it your photos, your text or your embedded videos, we will pay you 55%, 55% of all revenue we collect from advertisers to you, the creators who made the images, the videos or the text. You get this just like YouTube based 55%, we will do the same. We have the same business model as YouTube. The difference is we are multi-format. YouTube is video only. Do they pay you for writing comments or text? Can you even upload an image to YouTube? You cannot. You do not. But with heartbeat, you will. So we have this as our first preview. It's called Heartbeat Moments. This is for video clipping. Click that I to see this video if you haven't already to get an idea of the first product we will launch in a few weeks that you'll be able to use called Heartbeat Moments as a Chrome extension. What that means is as you're watching any YouTube video, there's this little heart icon which will appear that you'll be able to create clips of your favorite moments as you watch them. Then you will see those clips on a website. Once you sign in, you'll see all of the moments that you created so you can quickly come back to them, share them, not whole videos guys, just start and stop points like 10 second clips of the exciting things that were memorable to you. That's it. And then you'll be able to again embed those clips in blogs, in photo galleries, and you'll monetize what sorry we will monetize and then we will pay you 55% of all that revenue. Okay, let's give you an example. I can do this. This is something I wrote just yesterday. It's an embedded video, a motivational speech, and I created time codes which represent my favorite moments. Let me play one for you right now. Here. That's actually the key right there. Let me just play that last bit one more time. It's about stamina. That means never give up.  We are not giving up. We will never give up. We are freedom. We're based on the principle of hashtag never give up. And so what are we doing? We are building a new platform to address the mistakes YouTube made. What is the YouTube's biggest mistake? They killed all the small creators when they introduced the 4k 1k rule.  No other reason. You have great content. We were paying you before this, but you know, suddenly, you know, we're not going to pay you because we feel you need to have at least 1000 subscribers and 4000 watch hours before you're even eligible for monetization. No 4k 1k rule on heartbeat, guys. You will get paid from the very first content you create. And if you earn a penny, we will pay you a penny. No $100 threshold, which is another problem. With YouTube, you only get paid if you earn $100. Before then, even if you are earning money, you're still getting no money. So we feel we can address the issues, the vacuum that YouTube created for small YouTubers, creators, writers, photographers, and we're going to bring back monetization from the very first piece of content and from the very first penny. There will be a lot more things we're going to do with heartbeat, not just pay you. We're going to create connections based on common interest. We will be able to tell you who your new friends can be. How are we going to do that? Based on common interest. Let's say you like motivational videos like I do. Let's say you also believe that at a certain level of success, it's not about skill, it's about stamina. Well, I made this clip. Let's say you favorited it. You follow my heartbeat and I create more clips. You like them as well. Hey, suddenly heartbeat knows you too, me and you, have a common interest. So it will make a connection suggesting I should talk to you because we share a common interest. Guys, this is how I met my wife. I met her online, a website called studypond.com, which is language exchange, not dating. I wanted to learn Chinese. She wanted to improve her English and teach Chinese, and that's how we met based on common interest. Now, if heartbeat existed at that time, we could have met on heartbeat. Now we have four kids married 14 years, so I think it was a successful match. I hope we can do that for many of you. As we build heartbeat, we're going to build, like, you're going to collect the moments that matter to you. We're going to build these connections to help you find other friends and relationships based on common interest. So those are some of the key points of heartbeat. If you want to learn more about what we're going to do on heartbeat, just head on over to youtube.com slash freedom and I have a video that explains heartbeat. And in fact, what I'll do is I will just give you an info card. So if you want to learn more about heartbeat, click that I watch this video behind me talking about heartbeat in 2023. All right, Freedom Family, I hope you enjoyed this preview of heartbeat photos. What's coming soon, where you'll be able to upload your own photos and look at them in this awesome, click-less gallery. Oh, by the way, these are some of my younger days photos I took when I was trying to do some modeling. Yeah, why not, right? I tried to do some modeling when I was living in San Francisco. That was a long time ago, guys. I mean, look, I don't need the glasses, right? Hard to do that same pose. Anywho, this is the next generation, guys. These are my new, what do you call it? Like back then, I didn't have kids yet. I wasn't even married. This is what's important to me now, seeing that they have a bright and successful future. All right, Freedom Family, same with you. Everyone in the Freedom Family is my extended family. We all help each other grow together as a family because that is the spirit of freedom. It's always been and always will be. Who am I? I am your Papa George, your George Sampa, your Obi-Wan George Nobi, and many other names you the beautiful Freedom Family has given me. I am the CEO and founder of Freedom, or Freedom and the Freedom Family, where we all help each other grow together as a family. It bears repeating. I went to the gym today, guys. Did you? I keep saying this, and I don't know how many of you are actually listening.  Actually, I'm standing in my electric desk. Did you guys know I have an electric stand-up work desk now? If you didn't, I made a video about it. You should check it out. It is right here, and I will show you my desk in the video here. Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Yeah, somewhere here. Anyway, there it is. So I can push a button, and the desk just rises up and down. You can see here, I'm going to push a button, and then the desk magically goes up. It's not magic. It's electricity. It's plugged into a socket to make it work up and down, but it's an electric desk, and this is where I realized one of the problems. My cords were not long enough. It's like, okay, stop. Let's fix this. The point is it's a cool concept. I encourage you to get one. It'll, you know, actually it's tiring standing while working, but it's good exercise. So my point is how many of you went to the gym? How many of you are getting your exercise and building your stamina? Stamina? Stamina? Yes. Yes. The thing that matters here? Never give up. And yeah, hopefully some of you are also building a family, babies, and business growing together. The greatest feeling in the world for me, I can tell you from personal experience that being a dad is amazing. I can't imagine life without my kids and my beautiful wife. And right now we're living in Dubai. We've been here now almost five years. We've spent six years before this in Manila. We lived in the Philippines, and now it's a new adventure. We're now in Dubai. We'll probably be here for the foreseeable future. If you're ever coming to Dubai, hit me up. And we'd love to meet in person. Dubai is actually a pretty small place, but there's a lot to see. All right. Oh, in case you want to check out Dubai, click that eye to see a playlist of all my videos that I made. Well, not all of them, but many of them, while in Dubai. All right. Take care, Freedom Family.  You don't have any. There are a lot of fun to watch growing up. See yourself in their eyes. That's the magic. You can imagine yourself when you were their age, and my girls are now ages 13, 12, 10, and six. So yeah, I recommend it. Until the next episode, I am George. You've been watching. Oh, you're dreaming, but love here. Our Discord chat servers. Meet our graphics team. Meet our community team. All of that on Discord and the forums. What are you waiting for? Get started. 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Spoke with him this morning. He's, you know, away from the team was feeling a little bit better this morning, so it's something that will continue to I think he's scheduled to see the doc later today, so we'll keep evaluating it every 1224 hours, still optimistic that he'll be able to pitch Saturday for us, but I think that'll be a lot more clear over hopefully over the next 24 hours. So will he stay back here in New York until? Yeah, he'll either he'll come come up to Boston either tomorrow or Friday. Did he sound optimistic on his end as well? He did. He sounded good to me this morning. You know, he's hoping it kind of peaked last night. But again, it will let the doctor examine him and and see where he's at. But in just speaking with him over the phone this morning, he sounded good. But we got to see how this thing plays out over the next 24 hours. Sunny Gray has had three straight favorable outings. What has been the common thread throughout those outings? I think it starts with his heater and getting ahead, getting ahead in the count. And then when he does, you know, he has the weapons put guys away. I think he's also done a really good job of kind of managing situations.  And that's something that he was having a hard time doing the first couple of months, you know, when that innings started to get away a little bit, it would unravel on him. I think he's done a much better job at just really focusing pitch to pitch.  Ron and Wally. Has someone who came to the Yankees mid career after playing elsewhere, when you get new players coming in during the season, do you give them any advice about how to handle arriving here? I make myself available. And I can absolutely relate. You know, I just just met with Lance Lynn in my office and, you know, similar to him, for example. You know, I've been, you know, other than being with Minnesota this year, one place his entire career been successful in St. Louis and had a really good career. And, you know, it's a whirlwind getting traded for the first time and all that goes into that. So I just kind of offer myself up as a resource as best I can, you know. My door's open. If you have any questions, not just between the lines, because between the lines in a lot of ways is the easiest part of it. It's the simplest part. It's what you're used to doing every day. It's just all the other things that are involved in going into a trade. So hopefully I can help be a little part of making the transition a little bit more seamless. Not really. I mean, you know, sometimes they want to know about the city and living in the city and, you know, places to live and things like that. But no, not too much. I just hopefully, hopefully they feel comfortable if they have a question coming to me and I can be one of the resources available to them. Aaron in the event, half can't go on Saturday. Do you have a plan B? Will it be Cesar's, Lynn's possibility? Lynn would be a possibility. Cesar would be a possibility as well.  But I would say both those guys would, those would be the logical options. Randy. Looking ahead to the next series, I know you talk a lot about worrying about what you guys do, but haven't played baseball to the point where you have the second or third best record in the Red Sox. You're still a few games ahead. Has that been frustrating? And are you guys at the point where a split at Fenway is not good enough? I don't think it's been frustrating and I don't, I don't really allow myself to worry about things that are completely out of our control. So, and I don't get caught up and we need to go win three. We need to split. We need to, whatever it is, we need to go play well. And we know when we go there, especially in Fenway Park, it's a great team that can beat you in a lot of different ways. So I know we have to be at our best. If we're going to win games, we're certainly capable of going and doing that. And that's our expectation, but you know, I don't get caught up and we need to go win this many out of the series. We need to go play well. We go play well. Hopefully that results in us winning some games. But I feel like if we continue to do that throughout the last couple of months of the season, hopefully we'll put ourselves in a good position. Dan? Aaron, just a day for Walker? Yeah.  A little bit of a day for John Carlo too. You know, we've run him pretty hard. He's been one of the guys that hasn't had an off day. Now he's DH'd a lot more, but obviously been playing the field a lot more regularly pretty much every day now. So a chance to get day game after night game to get him out of the field and kind of give him a little bit of a blow. So more about that. You know, with that said, Walks played, I think Walks played every game, including the double header. So it's a chance to give him a break too. But with that to see, is it just a matter of how he feels? Or when you say yes to check with the doctor, does he have to get whatever this is completely out of his system? Yeah. I think he's got to be cleared to go, you know, be around a club and with our team and feel like the viruses is out of there. Yeah. Meredith. There are a lot of young dynamic rookies in the league this year. You've heard a lot about Glebertura is obviously that place for you. Tony, but with the offensive numbers that and do harm has been putting up. Should he be talked about more than he is? Sure. Absolutely. He's been he's been really consistent.  So it's probably not fair to say he doesn't get talked about. But I think he does get a little bit of sometimes that second billing, which is I guess fine, but he's a really good player. He's been a really important player and, you know, we're having the kind of season we are right now with him being right in the mix and right in the middle of it. And, you know, we've we've hit him a lot of different places in the order. We've seen him really continue to grow and evolve in the position. And, you know, I think we're seeing the emergence again of a really, really good player in this league for for a long time. Sweetie. Aaron, you've had a couple of rainouts where you ended up missing Scherzer because of it. You missed to Grom because of it. You're going to miss sale because of an injury. No disrespect to sale because it's an injury situation. But do you ever or your staff, you guys ever feel like you catch a break with some of these things or do you not even want to entertain that idea? Major league baseball players, we never feel like we catch a break.  So there's so many things over the course of the season that break against you, break for you. It's all a challenge. It's all a grind. Every, you know, you're going to have some breaks go your way. You're not, that's part of it. And that's part of being a pro is handling it, rolling with it. No one's going to feel sorry for us. But also, I look at it as, I don't think we've gotten that many breaks.  And that's kind of the extent of our focus. Ron. If there's lengthy rain in the afternoon, given you have a short flight to Boston, would you wait longer than usual just to avoid a double header that last time stand? Would I? I'm a chart now. I don't know. I haven't spoken to anyone yet about the weather. I haven't dove into it. I would say it comes down to if the weather and there's windows and opportunities to play, we're going to play this game. But I haven't had those conversations yet with anyone yet.


If you're doing any sort of video production and you are finding my videos useful, then I think you're gonna wanna know about these other five channels which will be useful too. Hello and welcome to Take One Tech, my name's Alec and in this video I'm gonna basically be talking about other people's YouTube channels for a change and I'm guessing really that most of these people will already know about cause I'm just at my, just over a hundred subscribers, 125, 26, something like that and all of these channels I'm gonna show you are into the thousands so probably you will have heard of most of them. But I do know that some people haven't necessarily heard of all of them so that's the reason why I'm doing this. I did a live stream the week before last which I'll link to in the description where I talked about all of the different things that I did before actually launching my channel so my channel's only been going for just less than 50 days and I've been posting a video a day to it and yeah I, as I say, did a live stream all about the preparation I made before actually launching the channel. And one of the things I covered in that live stream was five other YouTube channels that I watched that I got lots of great information from before I actually made a start and so that is the point of this video. So without further ado, I'm gonna get straight on into my screen sharing and you're probably gonna see some familiar faces here but as I say, maybe some of them you haven't heard about. So the first one is the master, Caleb Pike over at DSLR Video Shooter and he's been doing this for over a decade now creating videos all about how to create video specifically using DSLR cameras but now also talking about lighting and all sorts of other things like that. So 8M Minis and so on. The thing that's really great about this is not just his overall style and the way that he does things in his tutorials but it's also the fact that there is such a wealth of material there and even if you are using a slightly older camera and by slightly older, I'm talking about my camera is a Canon EOS 60D, a 10 year old camera and believe it or not, there's still reviews and things like that about how to get the best out of it in terms of video and DSLR Video Shooter is the channel to go to for that because as I say, he's been around for over a decade and it just really inspires me to see all of his videos and whilst I am working off a 10 year old camera and some rather low budget lights at the moment, it does give me some inspiration to create my dream studio at some point in the future using all of his information and knowledge and insights. So I highly recommend that channel. I'll be leaving a link to that down in the description as well, obviously and I'll put a card up in the top corner linking to it. I can do that, I think I can. So definitely want to check out. Now if he is covering mainly video, he does cover audio as well but if you want the sort of the audio version of that, then I'd recommend this next one, which is podcastage and Bandru over at podcastage basically just deals with purely audio and any microphone that you're thinking that you might want to get or you want to review of you can be pretty sure that he's done it and he does reviews of microphones, audio interfaces and so on. And when I was looking for a microphone so I've got the Shure MV7, I did my review of that over and I'll leave a link to that in the description but Bandru's review is probably a little bit more thorough from a technical standpoint because he is at the end of the day a far more knowledgeable audio expert than I am. But yeah, it's a really great page, a really great channel rather where you can find, as I say, reviews, in-depth reviews on all sorts of different audio gear. So if you're not aware of that, that is podcastage. So then that's my audio and my camera and lighting sorted. I watched hours of their videos in order to get my set up the way that I wanted it within my limitations, I should say. Now the next channel is probably the thumbnail master. Mr. Tom Buck and I do believe and I've said it many times before he does have the nicest thumbnails in the business. I'm not entirely happy with my thumbnails and I'm sure that comes as no surprise. I don't really have the time to do them quite to the level that Tom does because he really does make a real example of exactly what you can do with a thumbnail and have it still have a level of uniqueness and interest that mine are certainly lacking. So one day I will aspire to match his creativity in that space. In fact, I'll leave a link to the video he did all about how he makes his thumbnails because that in itself is a great video. But Tom is a great resource for all things about creating video content in general and specifically more kind of like the sort of stuff I am doing because he does a similar sort of format sitting in front of a desk, giving tutorials and explainer videos and things like that. So yes, watching his content was a real big help to me when I was trying to figure out how I was going to get things set up and yeah, it certainly gives me something to aim for in terms of quality of production. So that is Mr. Tom Buck. Now, the next one is somebody who maybe you might not have heard of if you are coming from the sort of e-cam community. This is somebody called Alex Lindsey and his channel is Alex Lindsey, L-I-N-D-S-A-Y and he is coming from a sort of different level of video production really. So he worked for ILM, Industrial Light and Magic on the Star Wars movies and has done lots of really sort of high level video production work. He's also been into live streaming from for quite a number of years now and he was responsible for a lot of the really, really high profile Google Hangouts streams that were put out. So such as the Barack Obama stream from the White House a number of times and various other really sort of high level live streamed events. Admittedly, these weren't done with software such as e-cam live. They were more with a more technical video production year and hardware rather as opposed to software. But nevertheless, he's coming to it with a wealth of experience obviously. And for the past year since, well probably March 2020 I believe he's been doing this thing called office hours. Now I know a lot of people have got their own office hours but his office hours is basically it's free to go along to and it was over Zoom, although they're taking it now more into their own platform.  And as you can see the Zoom meetings that they have are broadcast over Skype and it is, sorry, over YouTube. And it is a daily thing for up to two hours a day and the format of it is, the first hour is just general Q and A and you can go along and be a part of it and you can ask any questions you've got related to audio visual matters and the panel will answer the questions for you. And then in the second hour they have a sort of specialist hour where they talk about a specific topic and that could be a package, maybe DaVinci Resolve or something like that for video editing or maybe it's all about a particular audio interface or they'll have a showcase of a particular person who's doing something interesting in the field of streaming or audio visual and so on. And so it really is a wealth of knowledge there. And as I say, they've been doing it every day, two hours for a year and that's Monday to Sunday, literally every day. So if you go and have a look at that page, that channel rather, there is really a wealth of information there and what they're basically trying to do is they are trying to get to the point where it's been an evolution over time so that they can get to a point of having really fully produced shows that are controlled by all of the people involved in it. So you have some people, maybe the guy controlling the audio is in Australia, maybe the woman controlling the color correction is in Arizona or wherever. They are all over the world but they're all working together to actually create these productions. And the other heavy focus that they have in there is all about education and the new way to take education online. And rather than sort of mimicking a classroom environment in an online environment, so fake whiteboards that people are writing on, turning their back to the camera to try and teach the class in traditional methods, it's all about how to actually modernize the whole process of online education. And from my perspective, I find that really, really interesting and engaging because as I've said before on my channel, part of the reason for me to start this channel is for me to practice the on-screen presentation skills in order to do a better job at delivering my course material for my other courses that are unrelated to this channel. I could go on and on about all of the great things that Alex Lindsay is doing but I suggest that you go and check him out for yourself if you haven't already. And he's probably considering all of the great stuff he's doing, I'd say only 7,000 followers subscribers on YouTube. There's probably a few of you in the community that haven't heard about him but probably should because I think we can all learn a great deal from him. So as I say, he is somebody that I've watched extensively as are all of the others. And the fifth and final channel that I wanted to mention, obviously I've got to leave the best till last, is DarkRock. I've found all of his tutorials and the community that has been built around him and the others involved in the community in the Ecum Live community. He is also obviously the Ecum Live community manager but people like him, Diana Gladney and so on, all doing great things and really building a really sort of warm family environment within the community. And I just find, if Caleb Pike is the audio, the visual guy, Bandru is the audio guy, Tom Buck is doing all about online streaming and everything. The thing I find about Doc is just his absolute wealth of knowledge at all levels are across a vast spectrum of things. I've rarely heard somebody fire out a question and the answer come back. I'm not really sure about that. He can always go into a very deep level. I'm sure most of the people who subscribe to my channel already are aware of him but I just had to give him a mention and give props because it's been a real help to me in actually launching this channel and all the things that I had to do in preparation for that. And I should also mention Doc's office hours as well. So he has an office hours himself and you can get to that by going to buymeacoffee.com slash docrock and there you can sign up and come and join in with that weekly calls every week where it's full of lots of like-minded content creators all doing their own thing in their own different unique ways and spaces. And yet we've all got this common passion and enthusiasm for what we're doing and looking to help each other out on YouTube journeys. I hope you found that useful and I do hope there were maybe one or at least two channels in there that you hadn't heard about that you can perhaps go and check out and you can learn something from them as I did as well. So that's all for this video. If you found this video useful then go ahead and hit that like and subscribe button and turn on some notifications and I'll get back to some other more content-related videos in the next one. But don't go anywhere because as always I've got some more great videos coming up on the right hand side and until next time, have a great day.


Welcome Planning Commission members, staff and guests, multiple staff members are here today to ensure that the meeting runs smoothly and all applicants and members of the public are able to participate in the meeting at the appropriate times. If you're here today and would like to speak about a case, please provide your name clearly into the microphone and please be sure to sign in either at the back of the room or at the podium for documentation purposes. If you're here to speak about a case, you must speak up when the chairperson calls for a public comment. I'll go ahead and call the roll. Mr. Causey. Mr. Cohn. Here. Mr. Cook. Here. Ms. Davis. Here. Mr. Hart. Present. Ms. Thomas. Here. Mr. Tupper. Here. And Mr. Frost. Here. We have a quorum. I'll give a brief meeting overview. Applicants with requests before the Planning Commission are allotted a presentation time of 10 minutes. This time should include but is not limited to an overview of the project, case history, and any pertinent meetings held regarding the request. This time also includes all persons presenting information on behalf of the applicant such as attorneys, engineers, and architects. This time limit does not include any questions asked by the Planning Commission or staff regarding requests. During the public comment period, members of the general public are given the opportunity to address their concerns in intervals of two minutes. After the public comment period, applicants have five minutes to respond. Once Planning Commission begins to liberation, no additional comments will be permitted by the applicant or the public. The administrator has a timer and will make presenters aware of when their time has expired. The Planning Commission reserves the right to amend these procedures on a case-by-case basis. And there are there any changes to the agenda? We do have a few changes since publication. The first one is case number is now number five on the agenda, which is S plan dash twenty twenty two dash zero zero one one was added to the revised agenda since publication. This is an amendment to a site plan. Case number six annex dash twenty twenty two dash zero zero three seven has been deferred and case twelve which is a text amendment dash twenty twenty two dash zero zero zero eight has also been deferred. And then there's one correction that I'd like to note. And that is on case number on case number four under on the consent agenda. This is the confirmation of the zoning for time view drive. It was misprinted on the agenda that it said light industrial and it should have said commercial both for the interim and the recommended zoning and zoning classification. It was advertised correctly and it was posted. This was just for the agenda. So I just want to make that note in that correction. Great. Thank you. The Planning Commission uses the consent agenda to approve non-controversial or routine matters by single motion and vote. Examples of such items include approval of site plans, annexations and street names. If a member of the Planning Commission or the general public wants to discuss an item on the consent agenda you must speak up after the consent agenda is read. Then that item is removed from the consent agenda and considered during the meeting. The Planning Commission then approves the remaining consent agenda items. And I'll read through the consent agenda at this time. The first item is to approve the December 8th, 2022 minutes. The second item is under future land use map amendment and zoning map amendment for appending annexation. It's case 2, annex dash 2022 dash 0036 1109 Kenley Road. Request recommendation on the assignment of the land use classification of community activity corridor AC2 and the assignment of zoning of community activity center corridor district CAC for appending annexation. The property is currently classified as neighborhood medium density in a priority investment area and zoned RU by Richland County. Case number three is under future land use map amendment confirmation. Is LUMA dash 2022 dash 0007 1921 Pineview Drive. Request to confirm the future land use classification of urban edge community activity center UEAC1. The property is currently assigned an interim future land use classification of UEAC1. Case number four is under zoning map amendment confirmation is ZMA dash 2022 dash 0020 1921 Pineview Drive. The request is to confirm the zoning of general commercial. The property currently has an interim zoning of general commercial. And then number five is actually the site plan. This is S plan dash 2022 dash 0011 38.2 acres on Ranger Point Court. This is a request major site plan to amend a previously approved site plan to construct a 217,000 square foot warehouse building within the shop Grove Industrial Park. The property is zoned LI light industrial. And that concludes the consent agenda. Great. Thank you. Is there anyone on the commission that would like to see a portion of the consent agenda pulled off for any reason? No, here are none. Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on behalf of a planning of a consent agenda item? If so, we would have that one removed. Here are none. I will ask for a motion on the consent agenda. Got a motion to approve. Can I get a second? Second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. The ayes have it. The motion is approved. We will use the following outline for the regular agenda items. The administrator will introduce the case. The applicant will have 10 minutes to make a presentation. Planning commission may ask questions. The public comment period will be open to those present. The public comment period will be closed. The applicant will have five minutes to respond to the public comments. Planning commission may ask additional questions of the applicant. Deliberation of the action by planning commission will then take place. Once the planning commission begins deliberation, no additional comments will be permitted by the applicant or the public. So the first case on the regular agenda is under the future land use map amendment confirmation. This is LUMA-2022-0006, 3,800 Overbook Drive and 616 Super Street. This is a request to confirm the future land use classification of urban core residential small lot UCR1. The property is currently assigned an interim future land use classification of UCR1. And just as a little background, this was before the planning commission for annexation or the recommendation back in November. And this is just confirming the land use and we'll see the zoning in the next case. Okay. Is there any need for anybody to speak on behalf or against this particular request? Wade, if you have any response, ma'am, you can come up to the front. You would state your full name. My name is Norma Lisa Thing. I live at 3840 Live Oak Street. It's a couple of blocks from where the property in question. I believe it's too big of a project for our neighborhood. The streets are very small and I don't feel like I think it's gonna be really make it difficult for the residents that already live in the neighborhood. Are you speaking on behalf of case number seven? Ciber and Overbrook. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. All right, thank you. Is there anyone else present I would like to speak for against case number seven? Yes, sir. Thank you. My name is Robert Dudek, D-U-D-E-K. My wife and I live at 3850 Overbrook Drive, which is about less than half a block from this own project. We lived there from 1986. I'm an attorney in town. My wife was a Richland County School District, one teacher at Gibbs Middle School for 43 years. Her name's Valerie James. We're very concerned about this project because it is not in character with the neighborhood. The house at 3800 Overbrook Drive and the things on that property were single family and that's in the character of what people see in the neighborhood. Now they want to replace this with 31, 31 townhouses apartments, call them what you want. This is going to create a dangerous traffic situation and a bottleneck because overbrook runs into Suber, which is a very small place before the stop sign right next to the church and the minister of that church is against the project also. But these 31 projects would be dangerous for the school children along South Kilbourne, Suber Street area going to school in the morning. I go to work about seven every morning. It's already a lot of traffic there and it's dangerous. Again, it's not within, it would change a landmark in this neighborhood is what it would do and it create a bottleneck and a quagmire and it'd be a danger to it. And also we already have problems along Overbrook and South Kilbourne with the water situation, water running down Overbrook Drive. I would ask, we're going to continue to speak out against this and I just beseech you members of the planning commission to really look into this very closely. There are many people in our small community who are totally against this apartment complex, townhouse thing and we have our shared apartments. Many more. Thank you, sir. Your time limit is up. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Is there anyone else in the room that would like to speak for or against this particular case number? Yes, sir. My name's Wyman Bowers. I'm the developer on this project or represent the developers and I just want to make everybody aware we're not here talking about the specifics of the project. So I just want to clarify that but I'd be glad to answer any questions on what we are here to discuss if anybody has any questions. Yes, sir. I think most of the planning commission realizes this is just a land use amendment. Land use map amendment. Thank you, appreciate it. Is there anyone else here in the public that would like to speak for or against the project? We've got two coming up. So if one would hold back for a minute. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. My name is Katie Miller. I live at 3840 Overbrook Drive that's in the Concord Oaks apartments. My boyfriend has been living at this property for almost 20 years and I've been there for almost a year come March. I think this is gonna interfere with a lot of planning and stuff because I do go to school at Midlands Technical College and overcrowding is a really bad thing. And I don't wanna have to move to another apartment because it's gonna interfere with this project. And for me, I would want to stay in this neighborhood because I'm close to my school. And I don't know what I would do if this project would be approved. So thank you. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. My name is Whitney Denton and I'm here on behalf of myself as a community member of South Kilbourne but also representative of the South Kilbourne Neighborhood Association. I know today is merely administrative purposes for both seven and eight. I didn't want Mr. Bowers to feel by himself if nobody was here with this today. I know the next meetings when we're here for site plan reviews and such is when the time will really break down to all the nuts and bolts of it. But you have so many of us here with concerns based on what was given to us in October. So that's why you tend to see more and you're probably tired of hearing us. But we'll dig into the meat and potatoes of it. If you guys would like to walk the property, I have said as well to city council, Mr. Bowers. Anybody, if you'd like to walk that corner to understand our concerns, please do. I'll be happy to pull the pebble out of my cup holder in the car that I showed city council of what's come into my house from the crumbling infrastructure. So I mean, we do have some valid concerns but I do understand today as administrative. So thank you for your time. Yes ma'am, thank you. Is there anyone else present that would like to speak for or against this case number seven? Yes ma'am. I am Michelle Higgins. I live at 1111 Super Street. I am the president of the South Kilburn neighborhood association. Back in October, we were presented with a plan for this property. We did go out and notify the neighborhood and as you have seen from previous meetings, we have been in attendance because it is something that a lot of people do not like. Right now with what was presented to us, we have been observing that it does not meet the land use restrictions. So I am looking forward to being able to receive a new updated version and to be able to walk hopefully the property with Mr. Bowers and be able to decide what's best for our neighborhood. There are several concerns. We have trash that is going to be impacting the neighborhood because Super Street is a very small road. A lot of people cannot park on this road and be able to allow the police, fire department and ambulance services, EMS, to be able to traverse through there. We want to be able to work with the city and with Mr. Bowers to find something that will meet with what fits with this neighborhood. We ask that y'all also do that same. Thank you. Yes ma'am, thank you. Anyone else present? I would like to speak for or against case number seven. Seeing none. Are there any questions from the planning commission to the applicant or staff? Hearing none, I will accept the motion. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to approve LUMA-2022-0063800 Overbrook Drive in 16 Super Street. Got a motion to approve. Can I get a second? Second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. The ayes have it. The motion is approved. Next case on the agenda is the zoning map amendment confirmation. Case number eight, this is ZMA-2022-0021 3800 Overbrook Drive in 616 Super Street. The request is to confirm the zoning of residential mixed district two. The property currently has an interim zoning of residential mixed district RM2. All right, any questions from planning commission to staff? If the applicant's available, if you wanna speak to that, sure can. Any questions from planning commission for the applicant? Thank you. All right, we'll go through this again. Is there anybody present that would like to speak for or against case number eight? Seeing none. Oh, yes ma'am. And we just wanted to reiterate, we are actually, we want this to be approved for annexation. We want this to be able to be a nice property within the area, but we want it to be meeting what our current housing area looks like and not something that will be looking like something that doesn't need to be in here. We want something to be proud of, just like you would want something to be proud of in your neighborhood. Thank you. Yes ma'am, thank you. Yes sir. The extremely brief since I went over my time. Oh yeah, no problem. Thank you sir.  It is not in the character of this neighborhood. We have a lot of apartments there already, more than our share of anyone, I would say in providing multi-family. This is not within the character in the landmark of 3,800 Overbrook Drive and Super Street and that's why we continue to show up to urge that you and City Council would take a close look at the project and we just want you to know there's a lot of interest and objection to this project. Thank you. Thank you sir. Yes ma'am. My name is Melissa Crook and I live on Super Street. I've lived on Super Street since 2006 and I'm concerned about the size of this project and how it impacts the value and property of my home and the homeowners in the neighborhood. It's a really family oriented area. We do have a few apartments that are scattered around but it tends to be kids riding bikes down the street and people walking dogs and a more of a family friendly area. Super Street is narrow. People have mentioned that before emergency vehicles go down Super Street and so if there are overflow trash bins or overflow parking from visitors on a project of this size there's a concern about emergency vehicles getting through and I'm also concerned about if this project of this size is proposed to the neighborhood association that it will destroy the tree canopy in this area too. Those are my concerns. Thank you. Is there anyone in addition that would like to speak for against this particular case number? Seeing none. Have any questions arisen from the planning commission? For staff or for the applicant? Seeing none, I will entertain a motion. Got a motion to approve. Can I get a second? Second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. The ayes have it. The motion is approved. That's gonna bring us to item number nine which is S plan 2022 dash 0019 and this project entails the construction of a 119,000 square foot two building eight story multifamily development on 7.28 acres bounded by Clifton Street, Drake Street and Norris Street. The proposed development will contain 150 apartments and amenity space, amenity spaces and surface parking. The site plan illustrates that the indoor and outdoor bicycle parking will also be provided. The applicant has provided a traffic impact study that has been reviewed and approved by the traffic engineering division. In addition, the applicant has provided a phase one environmental site assessment, a geotechnical engineering report and a voluntary cleanup contract due to the property being in Brownfield. And staff would ask that if the planning commission grants this approval that they do it with staff comments and I believe the applicant is present and can explain their case. Yeah. Okay, great. Any questions from planning commission before we have the applicant come up? Any questions for staff? None. If the applicant is present and would like to come up and give a brief presentation, that'd be great. I'm David Mattson and I'm representing Tara Alta Ventures. First of all, I just want to make a correction that it is not eight stories, it's only three. So if you want to make that correction. Anyway, we're pleased to present this site plan of 150 apartments on MU1 zoning. It consists of two buildings, three stories each and there are 75 units respectively. We have a mix of micro units, studios, one bed and one bath and then two bed, two bath. And these units will be market rent. We've included smaller units to encourage less traffic and fill in the need for the community. This is a brown site, so the entire site will be cleaned prior to development. Just as far as the timeline, we started this, looking at this project spring of 2022 and we met with the staff for a DRC meeting virtually and then in June we went under contract on the property. From June until now, we met with the city staff, both virtually and in person several times and we've gone through three revisions. Initially, we were looking at a combination of townhomes and apartments because we were trying to appease both the economic impacts on us and the neighborhood association interests in density and traffic concerns. Unfortunately, once we received feedback from DHEC, they discouraged an ownership type construction and this was also economically restrictive. Then we did apartments around the property, about six or seven buildings and unfortunately, this did not meet the setback regulations and it took out a lot of the trees. Finally, we have our proposed site plan, which is two buildings and this seems to appease DHEC, the neighborhood association, neighbors, city staff and then it is most economically feasible. Our submission for planning commission November, we had the site plan needed some tweaking so we deferred until this month and now you have our final plan. We've met with the neighborhood association president twice in person and then a few times over the phone. We did go door to door twice on this project because of a revision on our plan and in September, we attempted to get as many households as possible and we didn't have enough time to hit all the homes. In our targeted area is Drake Street, Norris Street, Clifton Street and Cedar Terrace because those will be the streets most impacted by traffic. And so in December, we spent two days going door to door and went to every home at least once, not everybody's home, but we did contact 70 households and a copy of our results were included in the package and we handed out a flyer that had the final site plan that we have before you and all of our contact information if anybody had further questions or wanted to contact us. The results were in favor, 33 residents were okay, were in favor of the project which represented 47% of those we contacted. Neutral were indifferent, was 24 out of 70 which was 34% and then against we had 13 out of 70 which represent 19% of the people we spoke to. The items we took into account through this process is number one, the environmental ramifications. This site is a brown site and it has to be cleaned to de-hack standards and we've engaged Chris Stambury who has met us at the site and has drawn up a proposal which we included in our package. If approval is given today, we'll be doing a phase two environmental which will further define the scope of cleanup to be done and then we fill this as a help and a positive move for this site and the neighborhood. Homeless camps, every time we've gone on the site there are either evidence of current camps or evidence that there have been camps on the property and we feel like this will illuminate that concern for the neighborhood. And then just as far as our planning and design, we've worked with city staff for over nine months designing this site and we're pleased with the amount and quality of amenities that we have proposed. We've patterned the style of the buildings after the homes across the street and also the apartments nearby. The layout allows us to keep and maintain as many existing trees as possible so the canopy is there. We've got bike storage as mentioned and stalls to encourage riding of bikes versus cars and we're trying to maintain a safe and secure site for future tenants. And then finally the U1 zoning allows for much higher density than what we're proposing but we've tried to keep the number of apartments to a fair balance between the impact on the neighborhood, traffic utilities, et cetera and an economically feasible project. And we have done a traffic study as mentioned. So thank you for considering this project and I'll be available for any questions. Thank you. Before you head back, are there any questions from planning commission for the applicant? Certainly. Any questions? Okay. Thank you. I got one question for staff. Was the eight story just a miss in the case right up? It was. I mean the elevation showed three stories so I just wanted to make sure everybody understood it was a, it is three stories. Okay, we've heard from the applicant. We will now open it up to the public if there's anyone present that would like to speak for against the project, please step forward. Yes, sir. Hello Chairman Frost, esteemed members of the Planning Commission, fellow members, citizens of Columbia. My name is Ty Grox, I live at 1314 Cedar Terrace and I'm proud to be here. And actually my 20th year as president Brandon Aker's Cedar Terrace Neighborhood Association. So let that be to a lesson to you. When you go to a neighborhood meeting, don't go to the restroom.  But I wanted to tell you a little bit about my neighborhood and also tell you a little bit more what was not shared from the presenter. Brandon Aker's Cedar Terrace Neighborhood has been a background of being a neighborhood that has attracted people new to the city, to people who wanna start new families. And we've also developed a reputation as a place that's been desirable enough to actually attract more public investments like our new park buildings. And while we have a good diverse mix of ranch style housing and duplex, what we do not have in our neighborhood is a large scale apartment center. And the reason why is because our homes are very modest and it gives people that old time feeling where they used to grow up in a regular everyday new environment that we are in today. And most important is that Brandon Aker's Cedar Terrace, why people ask me why I love my neighborhood. Brandon Aker's Cedar Terrace is where you learn the true meaning of neighborhoods. And Brandon Aker's Cedar Terrace, we watch out for our children. We aid those who are in need and tragedy or in times of crisis. And most importantly, Brandon Aker's Cedar Terrace is the kind of place where you learn to spell, where you learn that you can't spell the word community without you and I. So nothing would please me more than to come here and say that the Cedar Cove at Drake Street is welcomed, but that is just simply not the case. While the metrics that were shared with you came from the applicant, I can tell you that 100% of the people who called me that actually talked with the presenters and his partner were opposed to this development. And these are the reasons why they were opposed to this development. This development would exacerbate the density at the place where density is at its highest in its neighborhood. So it would be where everybody's on top of each other, they're on top of each other some more. Not only that, but we're talking about a situation that would make getting out of the intersection of Cedar Terrace Garner's Ferry completely even more impossible than it already is. And that's also been made worse by the new Murphy USA that's been put at the end of right there, that same block. Homeowners across the street and through the neighborhood would are also afraid that their property values would become even more stagnant. I'm sorry, I'm gonna run over. And because historically- Please try to wrap it up, sir. Thank you. I'm sorry. Please try to wrap it up if you can. I will, I've got two more points and that's all. And so we are very sensitive about that subject. The next to last item is the threat to public safety. We are very concerned about the way that a fire truck could get back in there. God forbid something happened. There have been problems in the past with fire vehicles being able to get back there. And this would only make things worse. And lastly, there are still lingering questions about that open piece that where there is no development right now and with the history of that property being adjacent or nearby the old Columbia organic chemical site, those kind of questions are still lingering very much in the minds of residents who have lived there for a long time and who are new to the community. I appreciate the grace in letting me go over by a few seconds, but respectfully, I do ask that you consider voting against this. And I do want to thank the applicant for meeting with us ahead of time. But again, I encourage you to please vote no on this. Thank you, sir. Is there anyone else in the audience that would like to speak for or against? Yes, sir. Hey, thanks for your time. My name is Ron Walden. I live at 1028 Cedar Terrace. I can't really say it too much better than the gentleman before me, but I share all of his same concerns and I would strongly urge you guys to vote against this property going in. I believe that the site plans that we saw call for something in the neighborhood of 180 parking spaces. That might not be the exact number, but it's a significant number of parking spaces and a significant number of new cars to the neighborhood that would greatly increase traffic in a way that that neighborhood really isn't meant for. I live right across the corner from where this apartment complex would go and the gentleman before me is exactly right. There's a huge bottleneck that happens on Cedar Terrace. There's really only one true entrance and exit out of that neighborhood. And it is right at the corner of Cedar Terrace and Garner's Ferry. Adding this many new cars to the neighborhood would greatly increase the traffic and would really transform the neighborhood in a way that would be, I think, hugely negative, would have a hugely negative impact on the people who already live there. Also, our streets are very narrow. In our entire neighborhood, we don't have any sidewalks. Our neighborhood is one that has a lot of joggers, a lot of children riding their bikes, a lot of dog walkers, adding this many cars to a neighborhood that has such narrow streets and no sidewalks would make those activities dangerous. We do have a park that people like to use and it's kind of the hub of those activities, but adding this many new vehicles to the neighborhood really would make those activities dangerous. I don't know where the numbers came from that made it suggest, like the applicant said, that the majority of residents are in favor of this because that's the exact opposite of what I've heard. I don't know anybody in the neighborhood that approves of this development, that wants this development here. It doesn't meet the character of the neighborhood, but maybe most concerning is the traffic that it would add and the way that it would make our neighborhood a less safe place to jog, to walk our dogs, to ride our bikes, and quite frankly, to live. So I would really encourage everybody to vote against this. Thank you. Is there anybody else in the audience that would like to speak for or against this case? Sir. Hi, I'm Michael Suitz. I'm a home resident at 3927 Hickory Street. I would cause with the, for disapproval of this project, more of mainly the same thing as whatever buddy on the residency has issued, is that the traffic wise, if we place a cause in the event, it's like if we had a accident on that apartment, it would close that main line, road line, where most of the people of Columbia have jobs to that direction. And it would cause us to drive through the cul-de-sac of all other neighborhoods. That which could be a potentially another accident there if God forbid something happens. The other issues is that with the traffic coming in, we have two roads that we would use. It's like either it's Tara Street or we would use the belt line. If one's closed, we have to go to the other one. But again, we will be going through a cul-de-sac. And that would cause more hazard if there was an accident. We would have more than just one fire department going into there. Thank you. Is there anyone else present? I would like to speak for or against this case. Applicant, do you wanna speak in addition to those comments? The only thing I would mention is that those that were against most of them were vehemently against. So I do definitely hear, in fact, I spoke to at least the gentleman here and his wife and then I don't know the other guy, but I do know that there were definitely people who were opposed. But as you know, what we had put in, it wasn't just us walking around doing a survey. We actually had them put their name, information about them, and then sign. And so we didn't make up any numbers. So I just wanted to make that clear. And then if there were any questions of traffic, I do have a clip from Timmins who did our traffic study to answer any questions if he did have questions about the traffic study. Sure, thank you. Thank you. At this time, we will close the public comment period, but if the planning commission has any questions, now's the time to ask. I had a question regarding the traffic study. Sure. It did say that staff recommends to follow the recommendations of the traffic study. Is there, is it the traffic engineer or the applicant could maybe speak on a couple of the recommendations associated with or as proposed in the traffic study? That is standard. That's normally standard language with regards to the traffic impact study. And I do not believe that there were any recommendations for improvement. Yeah, that's what I mean. I read no recommendations required, but. Hi, my name is Cliff Lawson with the Timmins Group address is 26 Saltree Lane, Elgin, South Carolina. As he said, the TIE didn't make any recommendations prior to the onset of the study. We met with the city traffic engineer as well as having several conversations with Mr. Chambers here to get to determine the scope of the study where we outlined the intersections where we're gonna look at any traffic growth assumptions and things of that nature. So we kind of, we followed all of the city standards and SED applicable SEDOT standards. I mean, from the intersection studied, the majority of the intersections operated acceptably level of service A, which is pretty much the best you can get. As some of the residents noted, the study did show that there could be some potential for southbound delay at the Cedar Terrace intersection, which is to be expected for unsignalized intersections. But based off the counts, it wouldn't meet the warrants for a signalization or anything like that nature. And there are adjacent facilities to where those volumes could transfer to should queuing be experienced at those locations. So I felt that no recommendations were warranted in this situation. Sure. Thank you. All of these streets in the neighborhood are city owned. Are they county owned or do we know? I just didn't know if it needed to go to the DOT for any approval, but no, okay. Give me a second. Site access only city on street. So it did not need to go to SEDOT for approval. Yeah, thank you. Clifton, Clifton and Drake are city, Norris and Cedar Terrace DOT. Okay. Any additional questions from cleaning commission for the applicant or staff? None. Hearing none, I will accept the motion. Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve SPLEN-2022-0019 at 1002 Drake Street. Got a motion to approve. Can I get a second? Got a motion and a second. All in favor? Signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? No. Yeah, let's have it. The motion is approved. That brings us to item number 10, which is SPLEN-2022-0020 and this project entails the construction of two hotels, a multifamily apartment building and a parking structure on 11.9 acres bounded by Gervais Street, Wayne Street, Gadsden Street and Pendleton Street. The two hotels, which will be a Hyatt centric and a Hyatt house will be located near Pendleton Street, will contain 204,000 square feet and 301 guest rooms. The hotel will be 11 stories in height, two floors of underground parking. The five-story apartment building will be located at the corner of Wayne Street and Pendleton Street and will contain 187,000 square feet, 183 apartments and will have a parking garage. Vehicular access to the site will be through two existing curb cuts along Gervais Street and ingress only access along Wayne Street and a parking garage access from Pendleton Street. The applicant has provided a plan that also demonstrates pedestrian and bicycle circulation through the site. Off-street vehicular parking will be provided in existing surface through a combination of an existing parking surface, new surface parking and parking garages. And although there is no minimum parking requirement, the project will contain 749 parking spaces to accommodate the existing and proposed development. The applicant has provided a traffic impact study that has been reviewed and approved by the Traffic Engineering Division. And should the commission be inclined to grant this approval, we would ask that the commission do it with staffs of condition upon staff approval. I'll miss, sure. Understood. Okay, any questions from Planning Commission before we have the applicant before us? If the applicant is present, I would like to give a brief presentation, that'd be great. Good afternoon, I'm Ben Arnold. I'm the owner and developer of the property we're discussing today, 11.9 acres on Jervay, Wayne and Pendleton and Gadsden Street. And this project has been in the works, I guess you could say, since 96, but I won't go through the history. Most recently, we have gone through a number of iterations to arrive at the plan you see before you. There's a 44-page submission, so I won't go through all of that, but the highlights of it are we're developing the back five acres of a 12-acre site that contain a four-star Hyatt Centric, which is on a level that Columbia's not seen yet and will be 11 stories. And then there's a five-story portion that's a Hyatt house, which is an extended stay. So this will complement the Greek Village, the arena, the university, the business community. It's a great recruiting tool having a four-star hotel. We've met with the planning staff, the city staff planning and development services. We've also met with the CCP City Center Partnership, Vista Gill, Vista Owners Association. There's some representatives of those groups here today. And everybody's in favor of it. We've also met with the university and they think it's complementary to the student housing that they're planning to do behind us. And we have an extensive development team of architects, both in Charlotte and Los Angeles, but we also have local engineers for traffic. Jonathan mentioned we did a traffic study. It came out favorable. We didn't see any issues there. We are providing pedestrian and car connectivity. This will be a connector, really, to help to get from all the way from Blossom to Gervais Street along with the Colonial Center. And so we think the connectivity benefits, the parking for the Vista, the project, another component of the project is a 385-space parking garage, which is subterranean so you don't see it necessarily in the rendering there, but it's the apartment set on top of the parking structure. And this structure will serve office, entertainment, hotel, and multifamily, as well as the Vista. So we think it's very complementary to the neighborhood. And then the third component is 183-unit multifamily project that will be class A plus similar to what we just delivered on Lady and Assembly, except we're gonna take it up a little notch. It will not be student housing. I'm not gonna say there's not gonna be students that will rent this, but we think it will be something greatly needed in that part of town. I did have a couple minor things I wanted to mention, just more of clarification, but under planning development services, there's the combination of two tax parcels that need to be combined for issuance of a building permit. And we certainly understand that. You don't wanna put a building on different parcels, but we will actually need to subdivide this property further so that the parking deck sits on one parcel, the hotel sits on another parcel, and the entertainment complex and office is on another parcel. We will comply with all government regulations in terms of cross easements and parking agreements and make sure it's in compliance, but is there anything that staff would like to say about that? No, we are, as we've discussed, I believe that you're gonna wanna do a horizontal property subdivision, so we can work with you with regards to that. Well, we do front on three public streets and one private street, which is Gadsden, Rick Street. And the only other thing, there's a comment about parking. We did actually do a parking study. We had Kim Lee Horne locally do that, and we're providing 749 spaces on the overall site, and I believe based on our mix of nighttime, daytime, shared parking and our uses, they indicated we need about 646. So there is a little comment, there's some concern for parking. We did not send that parking study to the city, but we're happy to do that. If there's any questions or comments? Thank you. Thank you. Any questions of the applicant? Sounds like a great project. Thank you. Thank you. All right, is there anybody present in the audience that would like to speak for against this particular project? Seeing none, any follow-up questions for staff from the Planning Commission? We'll close to public comment period, and with no further questions, I'll entertain a motion. Mr. Chair? Yes. We do want to add to the record that there are several letters of support that I believe that you all have received. And we just want to go ahead and make mention of those. Yes, sir. There's a letter of support from Hal Stevenson, the president of the Congolese Vista Commercial Property Owners Association. Yep. There's also a letter of support from Matt Kennell, the president and CEO of the Main Street District. Letter of support from Beth Frost, Congolese Vista Gill Board President, and then also Jason Kasky, CEO of USC Development Foundation. Yes, sir. We got those. Everybody saw those, and yep, thank you. Thanks for reading that in. All right, so we'll get back to a motion. I'll entertain a motion. I've got a motion to approve conditional staff comments. And then a second. Got a motion for approval and a second. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. The ayes have it, the motion is approved. Next case on the regular agenda is the Zoning Map Amendment. This is ZMA-2022-0019. This is 5.5 acres on the west side of Floyd Drive. The request is for a recommendation to rezone the property from residential single family small lot district RSF-3 to mixed use district MU-1. There is a write up in your packet. I believe the applicant is here. One minute, please. Okay, the applicant is present. Is there any questions for staff before the applicant approves or presents? Okay, thank you, sir. My name is Matthew Foxworth and I represent South Carolina Outdoor Recreational Experience. We're a nonprofit located in Columbia, South Carolina. We're looking to purchase this piece of land and develop it into a urban orchard slash recreational space for sports in the area. We partnered with several groups. We're talking to Columbia Rugby, who's been a sports organization in the city for the last 50 years. And we also are looking to partner with other groups. Right now, the piece of property is in residential, but it was under contract before we put a bid on it and it was deemed undevelopable because of the dirt. So we came in and made an offer on it. We'd like to, like I said, we're an orchard in there, develop it for sports, make it a hybrid green space for the community in the area. But parking in sort of a private park owned by our organization. Right now, the area is a higher crime area. What we're gonna be doing is coming in and helping develop and making the neighborhood a better place. Yeah, thank you. Thanks, sir. Any questions of the applicant? Just briefly looking over your documentation. I do have a question about access for the community members. When this is developed, will this be a paid access for use or is that something that will be available to the community for free? We plan on it being available to the community for free in the area, like the walking path we'd like to put in. The recreational fields is going to be used by whatever groups want to use it, but they'll need to schedule through our organization. So it's not a pay-per-view type of place. It's going to be very much like a park. So with that being said, so I'm assuming what I'm hearing is this will be like a Polaroad park or in those kinds of entities, correct? And also then with this being in a community base, I don't know what the traffic pieces look like yet. Have you all done anything on that? No, ma'am, not yet. Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant? Is there anyone else present that would like to speak for against the project? Yes, sir, my name is John Haines Jr. I've been a lifelong resident of Columbia, South Carolina. I also played for Columbia Rugby for 20 years. My partner, Matthew Foxworth, and I created SCORE. Rugby the sport did more for me in my life as turning going from a dumb kid to a young man to an adult. And through the years, we've had hundreds of players that have come through our organization that we've helped, you know, cultivate and become adults themselves. And our mission has always been to be able to grow that sport, be able to grow our influence. And then we wanted to be able to also take the urban agricultural piece as well and try to get back into the neighborhoods as well as for a place for the younger, younger kids that are not ready to play a sport like that as well to come in and be a part of the organization. So one of the big things for us that has been our challenge for the last 25 years is finding a home. And this would be a home for like-minded men women to create an environment for the children and for the young adults in that area to find something positive and be a part of it and something that's stable. So this is a safe space for these young men and women to be able to come and maybe learn a sport, learn a little bit more about agriculture and to be part of something positive. It's just our way of being able to do it. But in order for us to have stability, we have to have a stable home. And this piece of land we think is in a perfect location for us because it's in an area of Columbia that needs that type of influence and it's actually the right size. So my name's John Hinckes, so I appreciate you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else present that would like to speak far against case number 11? Hearing none, do you have any further questions or comments for staff? I'll make a comment. These type of projects I think are very important, especially as it pertains to youth. So congrats to you and your team for seeing it 20 years ago and still moving forward to get it done. Yeah, great comment. Any other questions or comments? If none, I will entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to approve ZMA-2022-0019, 5.51 acres W slash S Floyd Drive. Got a motion to approve. Can I get a second? Second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. No. The ayes have it. The motion is approved. Item 12 has been deferred, so we will move to other business. That's correct. The only thing left this evening is to elect our officers for this year. We did do nominations. Y'all fill out Google Forms, so I'm gonna pass out the, we have a chair and a vice chair. So basically, I guess first we'll just mention that we have four nominations for, or excuse me, three nominations for chair. Mr. Cohn, Ms. Davis, and Mr. Frost. So we will need to get a motion to accept the nominations for the last time in office. Before a motion, can I ask a question? When do I officially roll off? Well, officially, February is your last, I believe last meeting. However, at this time, I mean, generally if planning commission hasn't, I mean, if council hasn't made an appointment to replace your spot, we appreciate if you continue to serve until that happens. Sure. I don't know what the, And with that, if I stay on, that allows me to still stay on as chair. Yeah, I sort of, yeah, try to articulate that in my email. You have been nominated, you could serve as chair, and then if you were replaced at some point during the year, we'd just have to have another election. Okay. So that's how that would work. Understood. So we have three nominations. Do we need to list the names of those nominations? Yeah. Yeah, Mr. Cohn, Ms. Davis, and Mr. Frost for the chair, and then for vice chair, Mr. Cohn, Ms. Davis, Mr. Harp, and Ms. Thomas. So if somebody is elected chair, then we'll take that name off of the vice chair, but we'll gun us off the ballots. All right, so can I get a motion that we accept the nominations for chair? Mr. Chair, I move that we accept the nominations that's presented by the staff. Got a motion that we approve the nominations. Can I get a second? Second. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. Yeah, let's have it. I will be happy to serve as chair. Yep, I think that's everybody's.  So congratulations. Thank you all. That doesn't change our vice chair list, so we'll go ahead and pass that out as well. Okay. So who do we have nominated as vice chair? Do we need a motion for that too? The vice chair nominations are Mr. Cohn, Ms. Davis, Mr. Harp, and Ms. Thomas. I think we did all of that in the first motion for all the nominations. Oh, we took them all, okay. I think I read that. You can do another one if you want. Thank you. Mr. Cohn, you will remain vice chair this year, so. Congratulations. Thank you all. I think that's all we have for this evening. All right, that concludes the other business. I will accept the motion that we adjourn. So moved. So moved. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye.