Good afternoon to everyone and welcome to the coordinators workshop for the workshop on pedagogy for effective use of ICT in engineering education. So, as all of you may know the main workshop is in January 2015 and today is the coordinators workshop. So, let us start by talking a little bit about why this workshop and especially because most of the workshops that you may be used to are about a certain domain some topics such as thermodynamics or computer programming. So, why this particular workshop and what is this long title of pedagogy for use of ICT mean and so on. So, the scenario we have today is that technology especially information and communication technologies are there everywhere and they are also being used a lot in education computers, internet, mobiles, lots of applications, MOOCs, Google, Google docs, so many others. Everybody encourages its use the government is really behind all of us to use ICT more and also more effectively. Some of you may have used learning management systems, many of you might be familiar with a new format of course called massive open online course or MOOC which anybody can take these courses are being offered from Stanford and MIT and several places in the world IIT Bombay has also offered a few MOOCs. And other technologies like animations and wiki are something that you may be familiar with or may even have used in your own classes. So, the main point is that technology ICT is there in education everywhere today. And the reason they are there is because they have a lot of benefits, learning benefits and motivational benefits associated with them. But the potential of these technologies is lost or cannot be realized unless they are paired up with appropriately effective pedagogical strategies. So, what I mean by this is if you take something like an animation what most people would do is demonstrate the animation in class. Now, it turns out and we will go over this a lot in the workshop that simply showing a video or showing an animation is actually not very effective in the sense that the learners are students do not learn much by simply watching videos. But they need to do some other active learning strategies in addition to the videos. So, as teachers you and I have to integrate these more active pedagogical strategies when we use technologies. So, a large part of the course is about how do we pick appropriate pedagogical strategies, how do we integrate them while using ICT. And now the title might make more sense because it starts with the word pedagogy So, it is the appropriate pedagogy which makes the use of technology more effective for engineering college teachers. So, as teachers what we all need to have a knowledge of other than domain of course, domain is what we start with, but we assume that everybody is aware of domain knowledge. So, in addition to domain teachers need to be aware of and have a good knowledge of which ICT tools are useful for various teaching and learning objectives. And it has to start with what is meant by a teaching learning objective and that is a large part of this workshop. And once we know which tools are useful, once we select them, the next thing teachers need to be very intimately familiar with is how to use these tools effectively and what pedagogical strategies to use along with it. So, the motivation of the workshop essentially is this integration of effective pedagogy with the use of information and communication technology which is there everywhere. So, what we have done here is highlighted this point of how to use them effectively because that we are going to keep coming back to it, it is not just about the usage of technology tool, but it is mainly about how to use these tools effectively. So, what are the specific goals of this workshop? What you will do, you and the participants will do in the workshop is to begin by articulating by defining very clear teaching learning objectives for your own courses, the courses that you will be teaching next semester. So, one thing we want this workshop to do for everybody is help you create resources and design lesson plans for the courses that you are teaching. So, that you can immediately go and implement what you are doing in what you learn in this workshop in your own courses, in your own classes that you are teaching. So, start by articulating your objectives for your course, then explore ICT tools appropriate for some of these objectives. So, we will pick some learning objectives. For example, let us say you want students to be able to understand some abstract concept like electromagnetic waves that can be one learning objective, so which ICT tools are appropriate for helping students understand how electromagnetic waves or electromagnetic fields transform. Once you explore the ICT tools, then you have to pair it up with and integrate it with effective pedagogical strategies for teaching with these tools and this is what we went over in the previous slide if you recall. And finally, the goal of the entire workshop is at the end to equip you to use these above strategies so that you design materials and activities for your own course. So, this is going to be a very important goal and it is not a theoretical course, it is very hands on where you will be writing, creating, designing, activities and course materials. So, little bit about the logistics, this may look complicated, but I will just walk you through the entire sessions. So, this workshop is in multiple phases and also the modes are different. We start off on January 5th, 2015 very early in the new year and for three days January 5th, 6th and 7th, the workshop will be held in synchronous remote classroom mode where you will, so what is synchronous remote classroom mode? Participants will assemble in their respective colleges that is your colleges for which you are the coordinator. Sessions will be conducted from here from IIT Bombay via Avue and sessions will be in workshop mode, there will be extensive interaction, two-way floor transfers, lots of activities and in the centers, in your own centers participants will work in groups and they will explore the tools, they will do the activities, they will design materials, they will do peer review and so on. And every day there will be several open question and answer sessions via Avue. So, we call these as synchronous remote center component because at a time there are about 200 such centers simultaneously, synchronously logging in and they are all at remote locations at the remote centers at the RCs and we will be, it is like there is one big class with 200 classrooms. The main theme in this part of the workshop is learning the what, why, how of using the tools and strategies. So, this especially the first part of it January 5th, 6th and 7th is introduction to different ICT tools for different objectives and some pedagogical strategies. Then comes the online component from January 8th to 18th and in the online component, participants will be creating materials, lots more materials and activities for their own courses. And they will also be giving feedback to their peers, getting feedback, also getting feedback from our TAs. So, this is from 8th to 18th and we call it one week equivalent of work. So, we will post materials, we will post resources such as videos and there will be homework assignments. Participants have to complete the assignments by the due date and submit them on Moodle. Throughout the workshop we will be using Moodle as the platform to post resources, post homework assignments, to submit assignments and so on. And there will be chat sessions and feedback sessions available on Moodle itself. So, going back to the dates, synchronous remote classroom from 5th, 6th, 7th and then an online phase and this workshop is a little different in the sense there is a second session of synchronous remote classroom mode and followed by a wrap up online mode. So, the reason these two have been split up is because this is not a lecture based course. This workshop is not going to be useful if participants come and sit and listen to what we say because during the first three days we will be doing some demonstrations, some examples and participants will be creating some activities in the RCs. But this is a very important phase, the second online phase where they have to from their own colleges they can work in the evenings and nights if they want to, but they have to create a lot of homework assignments and materials and then they come back for the follow up. So, we will be doing advanced strategies and advanced tools in the second part for which doing the online homework in between is essential. And finally, January 22nd to 31st will be the wrap up online phase where the goal, the theme then would be to consolidate all common resources for the community. So, what this means is that every participant in every RC would have created materials and what we want to try to do then is people who are teaching a particular course. So, let us say there is a group of people in across several RCs who are teaching computer programming. We want them to get to discuss their assignments with each other and finally, by the end of the workshop we want a set of assignments and learning materials and curriculum materials for a few important courses which we will identify as the workshop progresses and there will be summary sessions during the final wrap up online course. So, what I want to, let me just go back to the dates because there is something I want to mention here, participants must attend all synchronous remote classroom sessions in both part 1 and part 3. It is not sufficient to attend only one of them, the workshop is not complete and participants must do all the work assigned. So, as RC coordinators one of your important roles is to emphasize that this is actually, it is a two week equivalent workshop spread over all of January. Out of the two weeks, one week which is three days plus three days is in synchronous remote classroom where they will physically assemble in the RCs and one week equivalent happens online. So, as soon as this session is over today we will post these slides, but the schedule is something which has RCs you have to emphasize and participants might ask you well, can I attend only the first part and not the second part, but that is not possible. So, certificate will be given only after they attend all these sessions and do all the assignments. So, a little bit more about what happens before the workshop. So, so far I have been talking about what happens during the main part, but we want to get participants kick started into the workshop itself. So, December 23rd onwards we will open a wiki for this workshop. So, wiki is essentially if you have not used it, a wiki is like a web page which can be collaboratively edited. Each one of you RC coordinators and each workshop coordinators and each participant can not only read the web page, but can also contribute to it. So, we will start posting some materials on the wiki itself, we will help you get a login etcetera and you will get familiar, the participants will get familiar with using the wiki and they will start reflecting on what is created and we will start providing guidelines on how to use the wiki, but essentially what all people have to do is login to the wiki from December 23rd onwards. What we have been doing is participants and colleges, especially colleges which have been very active in the wiki part of it, we have special certificates for the college as a whole that this remote center has been very active in the creation and usage of wikis. So, that is something we have provided in the past. The collaboration angle, the collaborative component is a very important component of this workshop. So, what exactly happens in the wiki between December 23rd and January 5th, 10 days prior to the workshop, participants will register and we will help create individual web pages for every participant, departmental web pages for electrical engineering and mechanical and computer science and so on and institution or RC web pages. So, that is the first part. In the online part, if you remember January 8th to 18th was an online part, the work a lot of the work will be on Moodle as well as on the wiki and the reason we prefer wikis and you will also see that is that there is no hassle of file uploads and all, it is very easy to interact with peers, with your peers. So, when teachers interact with wikis, you can use the same format for your own students in your classes. So, Moodle is one technology that we will use and explore and wikis is one more technology and these are going to go hand in hand. All instructions will be provided, so as RC coordinators, it is mostly whatever instructions and guidelines we provide on Moodle, you have to act on them, none of we will create the wiki, we will help create the logins and all, none of it is very technology intensive, but you have to make sure that each of this happens in your own RC. So, overall the workshop is highly participatory, highly collaborative in both the remote classroom, remote center modes as well as your online modes. There will be lots of assignments including watch this video and answer these questions, create a material for your course and so on and we are using all that to build, to create common resources for engineering educators which we later post on the wiki itself and anybody can use them. So, it is like a crowdsourcing effort to create good quality instructional materials for use of ICT in engineering colleges. So, now to some of the specific content, this is just for information, we will provide a lot more about this. So, we will start with developing learning objectives in the course and right after objectives and a very important topic that will be discussed is how to write effective assessment questions, what are the different levels of assessment questions, how can we help students think at higher cognitive levels. So, the first two modules are the foundations and fundamentals and even if we have been doing all this as teachers, there is formal theory to be learnt here especially in the higher order cognitive skills. Then we will pick one specific technology visualizations such as animations and simulations and videos which are very common and very useful for engineering and we will explore a lot on how to find good visualizations, how to teach with visualizations, how to integrate them in our classes and so on. You may not be doing any programming of the animations and simulations itself, but you will be doing a lot of activities on how to integrate good visualizations into your own teaching. Then we look at one very effective set of techniques called active learning which can be used for all the technologies and we look at some specific active learning techniques like peer instruction and think pair share and so on. And towards the end of the workshop, we will come to a very new model. This has been popular only in the last couple of years using technology, it is called flip classroom. So, what actually happens in a flip classroom is until now whatever was done inside of class is being done outside and what students do outside class now is being done inside. So, what do I mean by this? If I asked you what do students do, what happens inside a classroom? Most of you would say that the teacher teaches and there is some lecturing, some information transmission, some content delivery that happens inside the classes, inside the classroom and outside the classroom students do homework and assignments and they assimilate the content. A flip classroom is reversed using technologies and using videos. So, how this happens, why you should do it, what activities you should create, we have a few sessions on this. And as I mentioned earlier, student collaboration and promoting collaborative work is something we want to focus on because the moment our students graduate and go to the workplace, all projects in the workplace are collaborative. So, students really need to learn not just how to work with somebody else, but how to collaborate on specific projects. So, as teachers we have to help students do this well and we have to facilitate effective collaboration. So, we are going to do some sessions on how we can facilitate student collaboration, what kind of project should we give and how ICT tools are useful in this. And then we will also throughout this we will keep looking at some new educational technology tools that will help us achieve all these objectives. This comes to a very important question that as a coordinator, what exactly is your role? And if you look at, if you think about the domain based workshops, there your role may be slightly different because you may have been the experts in those domains and many of you may have several years of experience and so on. But in this topic of pedagogy and integration of ICT, there you may be as new to the area as the participants. So, what exactly is your role? So, let us look at some particular, some specific points related to your role. Your main role throughout this workshop in January is to facilitate the activities in the sessions, both the synchronous and the online component. So, what, so here let us just jump into an example and we will have many active learning techniques in the workshop itself. So, the workshop is not going to be a lecture, at most the instructor here from IIT Bombay will speak for about 15 minutes like I have been doing so far and immediately there will be an activity for every participant in every RC to do a specific task. So, let us look at an example. And right now I want each one of you to play the role of a participant in your own RC. So, I am going to pose a question, all activity slides are going to look blue here. So, here is a multiple choice question. So, what I want you all to do is to read this question and right now just pretend you are the participant, you can choose the best option for this question and you can convey your answer through chat and then I will tell you what happens. So, the question for you right now, so that this is activity time, if you see a blue slide, it means everybody has to start doing something. You have to decide that a teacher should use technology in the classroom because there are three reasons. Because technology is cool, everybody is using it, teachers are using it, students are using it. So, a teacher should also use it or is the best option for technology use that technology can improve interest of students in the class. For example, the teacher can show interesting videos or is it that technology has capabilities to improve learning. For example, animations can make invisible items visible. So, according to you, which of these is the best reason, best option for using technology? So, think about what your answer is and convey it through the chat window. So, looks like a lot if you have answered and what happens in this, in such an activity is that usually we wait for about two minutes just like now for everybody to answer and then from here we will tell you what the majority answers were. So, it turns out that for this question a lot of you have said that choice three, technology has capabilities to improve learning such as animations can make invisible visible. So, most of you have thought the choice three is actually the best option and again see there are some questions where there is no single right or wrong answer, but we can say one is better than the other.  So, we can actually what we do in the actual workshop following such a question if you can stop sending your responses I got I think I got all your responses, majorities three and some of you have said all of them one, two, three and a few of you have said two. So, it turns out actually technology can do all of it and in the workshop we will see how all are possible, but perhaps the reason for using is more for one reason or why we should use it is the emphasis is more for one reason and less for the other. For example, everybody is using technology that is a fact that we have to be aware of and we will see how to use that fact, but that should not be the basis of designing our lessons it is something we should be aware of, but we should design our lessons using technology more so, because technology is directly connected to students motivation as well as learning. However, if the use of reason for using technology stopped at the interest then our life would be a little easier we could just demo videos, but what we have to really keep in mind is how to use technology to improve learning. So, as teachers what reason three is what we really have to keep in mind in a very strong manner. Reasons two and one also may be important we are not saying they are wrong there, but they may not be as important as reason three. So, now the question what we would do in an actual workshop in the actual workshop is after this question we would look at how technology can be used to improve learning then how it can be used to generate interest and so on. So, this was just a demonstration example for you, but the way the instructions will come in the actual workshop is a slide like this will come with a bubble which says participant please vote your choice. So, your participant will either vote like that or they will use flashcards they will do something and what you have to do as coordinators is convey the majority answer either through a view chat or we will see if we can get the clicker part going, the polling part going. So, we will use some technology through a view and as RC coordinators you have to convey the majority answer to us because what you are the bridge between the IIT Bombay instructors and the 5000 participants that are there and there will be very clear instructions on each slide the moment you see a blue slide you know that something has to be done. Here is another example of an activity I do not want you to do the activity I will just show you what it looks like. This is an activity called think-pair-share which we will use immediately following the previous peer instruction. So, there will be some things for each of the phases and participants will have to do these three things and what we are asking coordinators is to convey the two reasons from your center not your own reasons, but the two reasons that come from your participants. So, as you see that whenever there is a blue slide like this or like this there will be task for you and what you will be doing is facilitating these activities that is exactly. So, the last two examples were how you facilitate these activities in the sessions. As I mentioned earlier there will be clear guidelines on each slide and so I do not want you to answer the question right now we will do it in the main workshop that was mostly as an example. There will be clear guidelines on each slide and in addition you can also communicate queries between the your participants. So, let us say your participants have some query they are not following something feel free to use chat or modal because we are logged into a view chat and modal in real time. So, you can use all these modes of communication to facilitate questions and responses between the participants and our IIT Bombay team. So, mainly your role is what is on the slide there is one more slide coming up, but this is your main role as coordinator. What we will do is post all the guidelines and the session slides and all on movie. One more thing that you need to do in your role as a coordinator is recall the wiki part that I mentioned a while ago. So you will have to coordinate the activities in this community wiki. So wiki is again a webpage which everybody in the community and here the community are the participant faculty members, the coordinators and the instructors at IIT Bombay, the TAs at IIT Bombay. So this wiki will be coordinated and authored by all people. So as RC coordinators you have to register yourself in a wiki by sending email to this address. Each wiki will be linked from a specific email ID. So please send email to this particular address from the email ID that you want to be linked with the wiki and this needs to be done by December 10th. We will post these slides and the instructions will also send out another email. But if you do it by December 10th then we will send an invite to you on wiki invite. You have to accept the invite and you have to go through the projects and then there will be instructions within the invite and wiki on what to do further. Then you will have to regularly check the wiki. So all these instructions on what to do will be given. So right now your first task is to send an email to this email address. If you want you can take a moment and write this down. We will also send another email. The address is resinetworkshop.itb at gmail.com. And please send it from the email ID that you want to be linked with the wiki. In that email that you send us mention your name and your RC name that is all you need to send us. You do not need to send us any other information right now. And as we mentioned earlier the purpose of the wiki is to get a community. It is like a platform where everybody can upload resources and everybody can use them. What has happened in the prior workshops is that a lot of good material has been created but that is all sitting in moodle it is hidden within moodle and getting it out of moodle to get all the faculty members to use it has been difficult especially since we have two and three thousand faculty participants. So if it is in the wiki it is all there and everybody can use it and access it easily. So that is why we want to get this community effort going. So just reiterating your main roles as faculty coordinators to facilitate activities, communicate with us, facilitate and coordinate the wiki and ask us questions whenever you have it. So what we will do right now is through the floor open to questions we can do a floor transfer with video as well as chat. So okay hello this is Mukesh Patel school of technology. My query is I am not clear with the wiki activity that you just mentioned and the other thing is as you mentioned motivate the college faculty to participate in the wiki activity. Does it mean I mean do you mean the participants to be involved in the activity or all the faculty members? Okay so let me just repeat the question and then I will respond. The question was the wiki activity is unclear who should be involved in it and the people who will be involved in the activity are the participants of the workshop. So when we say college faculty in the long term it can be all faculty but in the near and medium term especially in January it is the participants who are going to be part of the workshop. So what you really have to do at this point is help us set up a specific wiki for your institute. So if you send us an email on this address we will give you instructions on how to set it up and pretty much that is it at this point. Once you get started on it then we will say what exactly to do after it. The big goal is to help or the big collective goal is to get materials throughout the workshop posted on the wiki and how to do it we will continuously keep giving guidelines on it. So send us email here and the participants who are going to be part of the workshop motivate them to use the wiki during the workshop and very long term you can also motivate your college faculty. Hello madam I am Ravithi from Mukhupan Engineering College for this wiki can the faculty members who are non-participants can they contribute if they are having some material. So in the first round since this is the first time we are trying it at such large scale I would suggest that in the first round we limited to the participants who are part of the workshop in January. Let us begin by that part because we have to give IDs to every person who wants to contribute and so on. So in the first round we will limit it to the participants we will give ID to the wiki, wiki permissions only to participants who are part of the workshop. But once we get it going once it is created then we can consider opening it up to others. So right now it is limited only to workshop participants. Okay ma'am. Okay. Thank you. Oriental College of Technology please go ahead. I want to ask you only one question is which model will be utilized in this workshop like our local model or IIT Bombay model? Yes ma'am. 80.iitb.ac.in model. So it is model from IITB. Okay. Yeah. Good afternoon ma'am. Hello. Good afternoon. So 567 or faculties are editing the program and 8 to 18th. So they are whether they can possible to submit the assignment in your model or whether they can complete and they can keep it themselves itself. So 8 to 18th all the activities will be online. So we will post deadlines when to do it and all that but essentially 8 to 18th they will be in their own colleges. So between 8th and 18th all the workshop will be only in online mode it is not even that we will be transmitting. There will be homeworks and videos they can do it whenever they have time between 8th and 18th. Yeah. And what are the deadlines that will be staggered. So some assignments will have a deadline of January 15th and some might have a January 20th and so on. So January 5th, 6th, 7th as well as 19, 20, 21 they will be physically present in the classroom. 8 to 18th they do not need to assemble anywhere. For the faculty registration so we have to use the wiki only. It is correct ma'am? They will be both so you know for the registration so let me answer this globally. In terms of technology we are using two technologies one the Moodle technology is going to be there as it is. There is going to be no change in the Moodle we are adding one additional technology component which is the wiki. So the wiki is like you are learning now how to use wiki for your own classes but for the registration and for assignments and all we will still be using Moodle. So keep Moodle as your primary technology. Okay thank you ma'am. All communication is through Moodle and if there is any additional thing we need to do we will communicate through Moodle. Okay. Okay. Thank you ma'am. Sure. D.Y. Parton. Good noon. Hello ma'am. Hello. Nice to see this pedagogy going on because I am always a part and I am as a part and I am associated with IIT with Aditi if you could recollect me ma'am. The question which I want to pose right now is since it is effective use of ICT in engineering education will diploma holder teachers, faculty at diploma institutes will be eligible for this workshop and along with something extended can MBA faculty be included for this workshop? The MBA faculty I would are not eligible for this workshop because all our examples are going to be from engineering and computer science. So MBA definitely not eligible but diploma college people are eligible to attend. Knowledge Institute of Technology. Please go ahead. We also have the same question ma'am. Whether we can have this polytechnic faculty? Yeah. MBA arts and science. Okay so so long as the faculty members are teaching topics and subjects in engineering or science it is fine but if it is MBA management, finance, arts they are not eligible. The main reason is that we are going to be focusing mostly on engineering but that is the main reason. Can our technical assistant attend this workshop because they are taking the practicals of the students who are in the SEP or these last. So these are the eligible to attend the workshop. So we cannot give them funding, we cannot pay the technical assistants if they see and no certificates can be given to them. They will get the participation certificates. No they won't get participation certificates. It is only faculty members who can get participation certificates. Yeah IES college Bhopal. Good afternoon ma'am. Good afternoon. Ma'am I would like to know about there is having difference between wiki and flipped classroom technology. Yeah we will discuss that in detail in the workshop. Which we are using in our flipped classroom and what is the difference between wiki and flipped? What is the difference? Okay so I will first tell you what is a wiki because that is something you need to know right now. Wiki is like a web page which people can edit collaboratively and the reason why I am explaining this is because you will all get an invite to come and collaborate on this wiki. It is like a collaborative document writing. Flip classroom will have many sessions during the workshop itself. Okay so even on wiki will have many sessions during the workshop itself. So right now what is important to begin with is just send us email so that we can get you started on the wiki. Okay flipped classroom essentially what happens there is that videos are shown outside of class and activities are done inside of class. But how to do that? How to choose the videos? What exactly to do? We will have many sessions in the workshop. Anurag group? Let us go ahead. Actually to start with we need to first register in the wiki and we need to make our faculty to register in the wiki and those who started who registered in wiki are only eligible who registered for the main workshop. Okay so let me answer this to everybody. The primary mode of communication is still Mural. So whatever you have been doing so far registration, guidelines, instructions everything is happening through Mural. The IT.iit be Mural. Yes. Okay so that is our logistics mode for the workshop. That is actually how we are going to communicate with you. Why we introduce the wiki now is that that is more for an academic reason because we want to have a platform where all the activities that have been created can be made accessible to everybody else in a community fashion. So use Mural for registration, use Mural for reading instructions for posting queries and so on. And think of wiki as an additional homework as part of the workshop. So wiki is just one of the technologies you will be using as part of the workshop. Mural is still your primary mode of communication. Okay. Of course, of course madam. But you said the more number of faculty to get registered in wiki. Yes totally. Okay that is. Is it a primary requirement that goes? We encourage it. It is not a requirement. It is only eligible for. No that is not true. That is not the case. So anybody else. So without wiki also they can go for the. That is right. That is correct. Main workshop at Jaana. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Om Institute. Hello. Om Institute please go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Ma'am when will I get my course schedule on the Moodle. I have already connected to the Moodle. And will I get the course schedule of this workshop. A week before the workshop. So around the first week of January. The dates have been fixed and they are as I mentioned in the presentation earlier. This presentation will be made available to all of you. Next question is whether the Akash tablets will be used in the main workshop. No we are not going to use the Akash tablets in the main workshop. Selvam College of Technology please go ahead. Ma'am whether MCA department faculty can attend the program. So long as they are teaching any computer subjects. MCA department faculty can attend the program. Yeah. They can. They can attend. But what you need to tell them is that the focus will be mostly on computer subjects and engineering subjects. Sorry what was your next question. From the participants want to be in remote center on 567 and 1920-21. That's correct. The other 567 then 1920-21 that's correct. Bunsell Institute please go ahead. Good afternoon ma'am. My question is related to Wiki registration. Whether the coordinator has to do the registration or coordinator or the member itself will do the registration. Okay we will handle the process and once you send us an email as I mentioned earlier and we will send you the guidelines. But we will handle most of the process from our end. Each participant does have to do something but we will handle the process. Whether any pre-work has to be done by the participants before workshop. What we will do is around December 20th we will send an email getting people started with the workshop. So we may have some small assignment but around December 20th we will let you know about it. So because the course can then consist of some lot of design the learning objectives. Right right right. So if there is any pre-workshop assignment we will let you know well ahead of time. Around the 20th or so. For example there may be one survey that all participants may have to write may have to respond to and all. But around the 20th or so we will get in touch with you about that. Jawaharlal Nehru National College please go ahead. Ma'am is there any limitations to add the members to the Wiki? No they have to be participants of this workshop. That's all. Okay. Everybody who registers has to register and he or she has to add the. The RC coordinator has to accept the invite and then what happens later we will let you know. We will just ask you to send a list of the participants. So the main thing is that it is restricted to the participants of the workshop. Agni College. Good afternoon ma'am. During the main works of any lab sessions will be there. Okay. We may have some lab sessions and what we mean by lab sessions is that the participants will have to log in to some website and work on some activity online. But we won't have any hardware based labs. So it's mostly there will be some sessions where they will have to work on a PC during the workshop.  Whether PG students are permitted to attend this workshop? PG in engineering. Okay. They can attend in terms of they can sit in the classroom but we can't fund them in any way. We can't make any sort of payment to them and no certificates will be given. That's okay ma'am. Yeah. No certificates will be can be given at all unfortunately. Yeah. And when exactly madam the registration process will be started. Yeah. Just first week of December. Yeah. Go ahead please. Madam you have asked that to maintain a regular check over the wiki pages once we go registered on the wiki and you have to you have asked that to make sure that we are not loading the files. And you have mentioned Google Docs as one of the ICT tool we can use to upload files. I would like to know ma'am what are the different what are other ICT tools we can use for the uploading files. Okay. So see the thing is what we will do in the workshop. One of the goals is to expose participants and make all faculty members familiar with the various technologies that exist. Later for your own classes and your own courses which ones you want to use and which ones you like that's your choice. So the way we will be doing we will be getting you to get familiar with these technologies is by having you use it yourself. So there is Moodle, there's Google Docs, there's wiki and there's many others we will pick a few of these and during different parts of the workshop we will say work with it for some time. So all I can say at this point is Moodle is something you are already familiar with and we want to get you started on the wiki process so that you also see how it behaves and then you can make a decision whether you want to use it in your class or not. KMEA Engineering College. This wiki is same as wikipedia right now? No wikipedia uses the technology of wikis in the back end. So wiki is actually a technology which can be used for educational purposes, wikipedia is for information, wikipedia is essentially an encyclopedia, it's a global encyclopedia about various topics. So there is a difference between the two but one is a technology tool which the other uses. The second question is from our institution for each participant they need an individual permission letter or for the entire institution their name can be written in a single permission letter. The remote center coordinator should send us a combined list of all the participants and these names should also reflect upon the permission letter. You can send us one single permission letter, it's absolutely fine. But any participant who is added to the list after you submit the permission letter then you have to give us a separate permission letter for any new additional members. Yeah and while registering even if it is a combined letter every participant has to register it individually, has to upload it individually. Yeah while uploading they can use this permission letter right? Yeah you can have a single permission letter but every participant has to upload it individually. Only computer science and engineering faculty are eligible? Yeah, so yes. So Siddhaka College the answer to that is that we prefer computer science and engineering domains because most examples are from these particular domains but participation from science domains are also accepted. So ideally we would not want any management. Or then mechanical civil? Yeah all mechanical civil, engineering will cover mechanical civil, aerospace, chemical all these kind of disciplines. No no most of the examples you are considering from computer science and engineering program. Yes. But how can they attend that is the handled mechanical civil? So engineering will cover, are they eligible? So engineering will cover all the major branches. Yeah that is true, engineering covers all the programs. So some of the examples that we will be dealing with will be common to most of these branches. Yeah Srinara and Gurukulam College. Yeah sir good afternoon sir, good afternoon. I just want clarification, the participants have to register through Wiki as well as they have to send the permission letters separately. First thing is they have to register online. That's the most important and the first thing that they have to do. Then they will be directed to the Moodle and from the Moodle later on we will send you will have to send us a list of the participants and then we will give you the link for the Wiki. That is the third step. The first is registering online. Good evening. Yeah good evening. Yeah good evening. My question is, so you will be giving us some, there are many teaching tools. So these teaching tools we need to install period to the workshops, whether you will be giving us the resources, period to the workshops so that we can install and we can try it before the workshop. So there won't be, there won't be any major installation per se. So maximum we will try to make sure that there are standalone system where an online recording etc are possible. So as far as possible we will, yeah please. Yes tell me, tell me. So as far as possible we will try to make sure that, yeah we will make sure that there are no separate installations required. Okay thanks. And one more question is, initially as I understood that there will be teaching tools and one more thing is the course plan, whether you will be covering this course plan also how it stops going to make a course plan for the subject and where they have to use the teaching tool properly. This and all you will be covering the session because I have to tell this to the participant. My part, they will ask me question how it is useful for us. So yes to an extent yes we will be looking at course planning but we will be taking an instance of course planning that is lesson plan. So the focus will be on lesson plan but you build on to create a course plan. Yeah concept mapping etc are relevant to course planning so all these will be covered. Whether the first year engineering cultists of maths, physics, chemistry and English department are eligible to participate? Maths, physics and chemistry is fine, English no. Okay. Okay thanks. Our English and no management also. I want to make a broadcast to everybody one of the main goals of the workshop is to help every participant create materials for their own course. So if any of the participants ask you as coordinators what is the use of this workshop and why should I sit in it. You can say that for the course that they are teaching this particular semester, the next semester, we will help them create learning materials and activities and lesson plans and course plans and all. So we have sessions and examples we take will be from the courses that the participants will be teaching. And when we ask participants to do their homework it will be in the context of their own courses. So that is one of the major goals of the workshop. School of Management Sciences please go ahead. Good afternoon ma'am. Go ahead. Ma'am I want to ask a very short question. What is the procedure of to registration in Wiki? Who sent his email, ID, WhatsApp coordinator or remote center coordinator? There is no separate workshop coordinator for this workshop. The remote center coordinator has to take all the responsibility and he has to follow up. There is no separate workshop coordinator for this workshop. Yeah we have only there is only a single coordinator from every RC in this workshop. It could be the remote center coordinator himself. And as in some cases another faculty member has been deputed only because the remote center coordinator is busy. National Institute of Science and Technology please go ahead. Well ma'am I just want to ask one question. What will be the timing of the workshop each day? Each day okay 9 am to 6 pm one hour break for lunch. Thank you very much ma'am. We will have question and answer sessions every day through A-View that includes it. BMS college please go ahead. I have one question regarding the course content. I understand that we will be developing the learning objectives and the course content. As the workshop coordinator should I deal with any of the copyright issues which the participants might ask in the process? Can you elaborate a little bit more I mean copyright issues of them using each other's work or can you just elaborate your question a little bit more please. Exactly see we will be preparing the content for the course what we are going to teach in the subsequent semesters. And maybe softwares are with autonomous institutes and some of them are affiliated to a specific university as such. So when we prepare the course content will be part and maybe more detailing on the course will some issues of copyright pop-up was the thought that I had. Okay so I have two parts in my answer and then I will ask my colleague Dr. Mukta also. So firstly all contents of the course from our end will be put up in open source that is the mandate of this whole program. Okay so all our slides our videos our examples they put up in open source. Now regarding the assignments that we get so far what has been happening is people submit assignments for their own course and this is not the entire course planning. So most assignments are a sample it is like write one activity for one module or do this topic because that is all we can cover in the workshop. If there is a problem with the copyright even for that one thing maybe we can discuss it later. But I think that given that they will be doing sample assignments and not their entire course I do not think copyright should be a problem. Fine and moreover they are going to sign your common license. That is right. That is right. That is right. Fantastic. Thanks. Roland. Good afternoon madam. Good afternoon. Is there any lab sessions madam? There will be sessions there will be lab sessions in which participants will work on PCs working on designing some activities and going to web pages. There are no hardware based labs. But there are PC based labs. Yes. Yeah one more question madam. Is the registration will start after 23rd December or 10th December onwards? Registration will start on 1st December. 1st December. So before that madam is there any like brochure will come to us. Yes. So that we will send them. Yes we will send you the brochure by the end of this week. 1120 Saint Aloysius. Good. Can we move on the faculty from the physics, chemistry and mathematics. Yes. Because you are engineering a student engineering faculty books. Physics, chemistry and mathematics are okay. Okay. Thanks. Physics, chemistry and mathematics who are teaching PG courses are fine. Okay. Not at the subject level. UG courses in the engineering background. UG courses in an engineering college is also okay. For engineering there is a mathematics paper. For engineering college. For engineering there is a mathematics paper, chemistry, well this thing. That's fine. For first year engineering that's okay. Perumal college. Hello. Good. Good afternoon ma'am. I have two questions. First one is whether external participants can be registered for this workshop? External participants. Yes. Yes. This is for all external participants and some of your own faculty. Thank you ma'am. My second question is that when we can start the registration on which date? We are starting registration on 1st of December and before that you will get a soft copy of the brochure which can be circulated in the neighboring colleges. Carmel engineering college. My question is how this course will enable all other faculty in the colleges so that they can make use of this new pedagogy as their strategy. In other words, in simple words, how we can spread this new pedagogical strategy among our colleagues. I think what you should do is start by using it in your own courses. So the participants who come for the workshop use something in your own class and see how successful or not it is because one of the pieces of the workshop is also we will go over guidelines on how to evaluate if it is successful or not. And then you can hold a workshop for your own, you can hold your own workshop or you can tell your colleagues what worked in your class and so on. So I would say start by using some of these in your own workshop and spread the success stories. Let's start there. Afterwards we will talk about other things like having community groups and so on. Thank you ma'am. Another question. How this new pedagogical strategy would be participatory when we employ it in our own class group? Yeah, yeah, there will be very participatory. So we will go over specific pedagogical strategies where students interact with each other during the class. So many of these. Can you explain it by giving an example? Okay, two examples we did in the presentation earlier. I called it peer instruction where there is a question post, people vote. Right now you are only one person in your institute so you did not talk to anybody but in the actual classroom what happens is that students would discuss with each other before voting. And we will go over a lot of these in the actual workshop. Yeah, please go ahead Netaji. Hello. Good afternoon ma'am. Ma'am we have basic size department and BCA, MCA, MBA. So these faculties can participate. MBA department, BCA department cannot participate in this workshop. They will not. And also the teachers, if they are teaching. Basic sciences. Basic sciences if they are teaching in the engineering college, only then. Yes. Okay. Okay. And for BCA if you have teachers who also teach MCA, only those teachers will be allowed. Okay ma'am. Okay, so we are really concentrating on teachers teaching PG courses and teaching basic science courses in engineering colleges. Is there any smart tool like smart board is required? No. During the content development? No, no, no. You do not need to install any smart board. Smart board? No, nothing. So whatever tools are required, we will, most of them will be through the internet. So you do not need a smart board or any such thing. Whale Seriousity. Can we use Akash Tablet for BCA registration? No, you do not need Akash Tablet. We are not going to be using Akash Tablet. Second question. There will be both group and individual activities. St. Xavier's Catholic College. Yeah. Ma'am, will you teach anything on how to create animations? Okay. So we won't be teaching. What do you think in the classrooms? Let me answer in two parts. The first answer is no, because we won't be teaching anything on the programming of animations. But what we will do is how to use animations to create strategies for the classroom. But if you want to know, should we, will we be doing flash or will we be doing programming and development of animations? No, we won't. Not in this workshop. Another, yeah, okay. Thank you. Another question I thought is in the logistics side. You have completely removed the honorarium for system administrator, but he will be part of our team throughout this workshop. There is no need for a system administrator at all. You only need the remote center coordinator, some support staff and the AVU coordinator. You do not need a system administrator or any TAs. Amrita, please go ahead. Yeah, I have a question regarding the registration procedure. Okay. The being a coordinator, I have already registered on moodle. So to register the remaining faculty, is it that I have to only give a list of the students or do they have to do some of the procedure in order to get registered? For the wiki, you as the remote center coordinator will have to send us a list of participants and we will take it up from there. Okay, fine. Second, I have two more questions. What is the maximum number of participants in any institution? That depends upon your seating capacity and the number of computers you can offer to your participants. You will be very shortly sent a link where you will have to fill up the capacity that you have in your institute. Okay. By capacity, I mean participants should be able to sit comfortably and do their work without disturbing others and things like that. Absolutely. One final question that I have is, I guess you told that it is meant only for faculty teaching PG courses. So are they alone? Will they alone be getting certificates or can we entertain faculty who are teaching UG courses also? This is for faculty of all UG engineering courses as well as teachers teaching PG courses in basic sciences. So if it's... Maybe I misinterpreted. Sorry, I got it. So MCA is okay. MSC. MSC is okay. Okay. Diploma teachers teaching in polytechnic colleges are also okay. But no MBA. Sorry? No MBA, no English literature. English literature. No English literature, please. Thank you. Hello. Madam, you told about this vikina. Yeah. So in this remote center coordinator has to send the mail to this email ID. That's right. And what about the participants? Whether the participants, they will also have to register separately or... So let's start by the remote center coordinator sending email to that ID. And all guidelines will start from there. Okay. Thank you, madam. But the participants have to register on the eOutreach website first. Only after that will you get the list of participants at your college? Madam, whether this workshop will cover the pedagogical aspect for only theory courses or will it cover the other curricular components like the practical and project component also? Yeah. So we will actually do, we do have some components about the projects. But the focus will be on the classroom based theory courses. The focus will be more on that. Lab courses are not entirely ruled out. So if you have a teacher teaching lab courses, many of the techniques might be useful in the lab also. But we won't explicitly look at lab courses. So we won't look at how to do design and all. So primarily theory courses. Techno India Salt. Hello. Go ahead please. The theory session and lab session will be in the same classroom or we will have a lab session in the different time. So that's really up to you. What we need for the lab sessions are participants having access to computers. If it's all in the same room, computers and internet. See the other option is if you ask participants to bring laptops you can do everything in the classroom itself provided you have internet. Okay in that case you need internet as well? Yes internet is required. Okay and one more question that why we need wiki? This time the lecture note and everything will be available in wiki or it will be available in Moodle? So Moodle is your primary mode of communication. Communication, uploading everything primarily Moodle. So stick to Moodle. Think of wiki as an additional technology to explore for the course. So wiki is going to be more like the course content. It's not about the course logistics on wiki. Knowledge institute. Good afternoon madam. Yes go ahead. Actually this is regarding the laboratory. During SRC we need a laboratory facility which means the systems. See for some assignments for some during workshop assignments we what the participants will need to do is work on PCs or laptops. So that is the extent to which you need systems. So we need participants to go to the internet and do some activity with the internet. That's all that's the extent of the hands-on part. Now whether they do it with a laptop in the classroom with wireless internet or whether they do go to a separate computer lab. Madam and then is this something related to like that we have that mission 10x learning centre our colleagues. Is this pedagogy related to that? So they also may be conducting similar workshops but ours is a MHRE government initiative. And perhaps on some topics some common topics they also may be conducting but we are not affiliated with them for say. Madam my question is since we are planning to make the learning objectives as the first objective of our workshop. Do you want the faculty to select a particular course beforehand and then come to the thing so that they can have their material ready with them. They can make. They can do it. Everything ready? Yeah okay so they can do it. What we usually do is to ask them to choose the course that they are teaching in that particular semester. So things are very fresh in their mind. We don't mandate that they bring in materials but if they do want to bring it sure why not. Gandhi Engineering College. What is the minimum number of participants to be registered in this workshop? The minimum number of participants in your institute has to be 30. Is this workshop applicable for all the streams? ESC, IT, electronic, all the departments? All engineering disciplines, MCA and MSC. No diploma teachers also but absolutely no MBA, no arts, no humanities, no economics. Is there any laboratory associated with this workshop? You will need only systems with internet for the participants to do their in-class assignments. There is no hardware based system. No hardware based systems. Again since this question is coming up many times let me do a broadcast so that we don't keep getting the same question over and over. What will happen in the workshop are sessions which are broadcast from here. Activities that participants will do and they will use computers or laptops, PCs or laptops to access the internet to do activities. No hardware and no additional software need to be installed. Nanamani College. Can you please tell me the RC coordinator roles and their quantity and certain. RC coordinator's main role is to facilitate the sessions as we went through in the presentation. And we will give guidelines at every stage and some examples are present in the presentation which will be made available to them. Can you please tell me the number of participants and how many can participate? Your minimum number is 30 and the upper limit is as many as you can accommodate in your classroom. Just remember that you have to give them PCs or laptops also. So please keep that in mind when you are giving us your capacity number. Government engineering college. I want to ask a single question. Is there the same TAD norms for external participants? Because actually the workshop is breaking two parts such as 5 to 6 gen and 19 to 21 gen. We will give the TA into two because there are two sessions. But only for those participants who are travelling from further than 100 kilometers. Ratnavel, whether the coordinator has to participate in the offline activities? You are most welcome to do so. But no participation certificate. You will get a coordinator's certificate. I would encourage you to do it anyway. My question is regarding the minimum number of participants in the workshop. Because actually we have average number of 15 or 20 participants are there. We have conducted 7 workshops so far. So we have average of 15 to 20 participants only. We will discuss this particular problem on 29th when your remote center coordinator comes here. Mohandas College. Good evening ma'am. I had a question. Whether the faculty of science of biotechnology department can attend this workshop? Biotechnology engineering department we have. And the faculty is from MSC. If they are teaching at the MSC level that's fine. And my next question is whether we have to install any open source tools earlier before the conduct of the workshop? For the course planning you have mentioned some open source tools? Nothing before the workshop. Whatever is needed we will send guidelines over Moodle. Nothing before the workshop. Rajkumar Goyal. My first question was the same if the number of participants is less than 30 so I got the answer. It's not need to give the answer. And the second is up to what date we have to send the mail for wiggling? By December 10th. BMS. This is the same question which many of our colleagues have asked you. You are going to decide on 29th am I right regarding the number of participants? And a message will be conveyed to us because as a remote center coordinator I will not be able to be present in Bombay because of my practical exams here. We will be considering the problem of low attendance. Where the institutes where there is normal more than 30 people attending the workshop there is no problem. The problem only happens when there are less than 30 less than 20 or 15. We are keeping those remote centers aside and we will be having discussions with them about how to solve that problem. So if your institute already has a good strong attendance then there is no problem. And also we will be circulating the minutes of that meeting immediately. By Monday you should have the minutes of that meeting. Even if you are not attending. Based on which you are going to make a decision whether we are allowed to be a part of this or not. Am I right? Right. Hello ma'am. I just want to know whether this virtual labs is included in this particular course. Because I have found it very useful for the students as well as for the teachers this virtual labs. So we do not have a specific session on virtual labs. But we have a long multiple sessions on visualizations such as animation simulations and we will include virtual labs as a part of that. So what we do is have participants go and find visualizations which are useful. So we can include virtual labs as examples. But thanks for the suggestion. Yeah you can just show that I mean I have personally found it is very useful. Which subject have you used it for? Yeah which subject have you used it for? I am surveying. Surveying. Surveying. Civil engineering? Yeah. Okay fine. Civil engineering yeah. We will keep it in mind. Thanks for the suggestion. I want to ask whether tablet will be required or not and second question is that how many minimum participants will be required. Because from January or academic calendar will be started. So maybe case that we may get the less than 30 participants. Yes I have been saying this for the others also. We require a minimum of 30 and we have made a list of the centers which have been having low attendance. And we will be talking to them on 29th when the remote center coordinators come here for this interactive meet. And your first question we do not need the Akash tablets for this workshop. Silicon Institute. My question is being a coordinator do I have to evaluate some of the assignments that have been provided to the participants? As a coordinator you will not have to do any evaluation. Yes Amrita. Is it regarding the 29th meeting? Should all the RC coordinators should be there in Mumbai or is just specifically sent out for specific people? No no no it is an invitation for all our remote centers. We are expecting all the remote center coordinators to attend this meeting. One of the issues that we will be discussing is the low attendance. And the second thing is is there any requirement regarding the bandwidth of the internet that is required in the lab? No just normal. Nothing extra heavy that's all. Nothing extra specific? Sir I want to ask regarding online component which will run from January 8th to 18th. I mean what will be the probable activities and how coordination shall be done? So what happens there is as RC coordinator you have almost no role during the online component. After the participants come to physically attend your session in January 5th, 6th and 7th they will go back to their colleges or during the day they will resume their activities. We will post some resources like videos and reading which participants have to view whenever they have computer and internet access. They can do it from home also and they have to do some assignments and submit it. So those will be all individual activities between 8th and 18th which can be done at any time during that period. I just like to add we expect the remote center coordinator to be monitoring the activities. During this 8th to 18th that particular interval we expect that the remote center coordinator is monitoring all the activities. He doesn't have to specifically do anything with the participants but definitely monitoring. Dr. Mahalingam college. The RC coordinator has to attend the 29th workshop. We do not want a substitute for that workshop. We want the remote center coordinator to attend it and if he or she cannot attend it we will be circulating the minutes of the meeting anyway on the next working day. Madam say suppose the number of participants is more so is it possible to have more than one remote center coordinator? No. Only one remote center coordinator per center. Okay madam thank you. Okay one last question Nagole Institute. Madam can you give the in detail about the simulation. Can you explain the not theoretical concept as well as the anim concepts of the laboratory's point of view, simulation point of view. So this is basically we are seeking in terms of the electronics and communication engineering. So if you go for the VLSA especially particularly. So we require some animation like designing point of view. We will be doing one session on animations and videos that are useful for various topics. We will have one session on that. Thank you. Okay so that brings us to the end of this workshop. What we will do at this point is make today's slides available to you and all other communication will go through the usual channels. If there are any logistics questions you can please ask them otherwise that brings us to the end of this session. Yeah I have a small question sir. This is with respect to the system administrator who has not been included as a part of this team. Since we need to take people to lab for certain activities I would request you to include them to be a part of it. Otherwise it will be very difficult with only a view coordinator. This is just my submission. There is really no need for a system administrator role in this workshop. The participants only have to access the internet. That is all. You do not really need a system administrator for that. Good evening madam. Regarding this particular workshop only RC coordinator will be there. Apart from that some assistance you can have madam to monitor all other activities. Because technical assistance also just like you are given for other workshops. Generally we used to have technical staff teaching assistants. Two or three staff members were going to assist me to look after all the attendance and other things and other things. Just like that every time you had in various workshops. Because a single person because we will be having academic activity all other things will be going on simultaneously. Because not in a single day in a year academic institutions will be free of workload. That is why because other workshops also you have given two or three teaching assistants are there. There are no teaching assistants in this workshop. The remote center coordinator has just to take the attendance. And that too only for a period of three days once and three days afterwards. That is all. And the participants are they need to just access the internet on the computers. So there is no need for a technical assistant. There is no need for a teaching assistant. No need for a system administrator. So that is why we have removed all these roles from this workshop. Yes NIT Manipur. Go ahead. Yeah madam I just want to ask something about ACAS tablet. So the stock in IIT bombings overall can we still become ACAS tablet center? I will discuss this with you when you come here on 29th. So we are ending this session this coordinator's workshop for pedagogy. And if you all have any queries please do send them to eoutreach or any fund related queries to workshop funds. At csc.iitb.ac.in and we will get back to you if there are any other queries. Thank you very much. And we expect to see the remote center coordinators only here at IIT on 29th. Thank you very much.


video for you today I'm out of the city and we're gonna be talking about what they do when you leave ever you leave a narcissist the first thing they're gonna do is blame you everything that went wrong it's all your fault you failed to do something you could have done better you could have done more that's the narrative of the because remember they are self-absorbed and they like it they never look at themselves to see what they did wrong or what they could have done better they don't take accountability and that's why they never change they stay the same their entire lives they're emotionally at the level of a two-year-old child and that's why you see these silly behaviors that's why you see the temper tantrums and they always want to rebel they want to act out against you that's the reason for that so when it's all over when you leave that is what they will do they will blame you and if that isn't enough they will also try to find a way to tear you down they will try to find a way to stop you from progressing and whatever you're trying to do because they have to see it as though you were the problem and for them to do that they can't have you moving on and becoming successful in any in anything they want to keep you stuck in a state where the question in yourself and you're wondering if you've got it wrong maybe you made a mistake by leaving them that's what they want you to think as though it was all you and finally another thing that they do when you leave and it's something that you may not expect maybe not all of them will do this but most of them well when you leave they end up watching you and you may not catch it out initially because many of them are watching you behind the scenes they're stalking you on social media or they may even be doing it in person but you just don't know about it they may not stalk you directly but they could have someone else who is checking up on you someone who you don't know so you may never even know about it but that does not it isn't going on because this is what a lot of them will do when you leave but don't get it wrong they're not watching you because they miss you or because they love you that is not why they are watching you they are absorbed they only care about themselves that's why they never even took the time to get to know if you look back you can't even remember a time you actually had a normal conversation with them so they're not watching you because they love you or because they miss you it's got nothing to do with that narcissists are sadistic the very sick twisted people so what they do is when you leave they know that you'll hurt after everything they went and did to you so they want to see are you still hurting they want to see are you still suffering are you missing them are you longing and yearning for them are you wishing that things could be better are you wishing that they were changed that's what they want to see when they're watching you and if you are they're not leaving the door open for them to come back because that is when they will come back when they think that you need them when they think that they still got a chance that you know what you got to do know that they're watching you you've got to put something on there that will really show them something that will spoil stomach because they're hoping to see that you're still suffering they're hoping to see that going through it but if you post something up on your Facebook or Instagram and it shows that you are living your best life to enjoy in every minute of it now that they're gone that's is the last thing that they want to see that's what you should be doing instead of worrying about them you should be out there living your life because life is meant to be lived life is meant to be enjoyed not endured but that's how they wanted to be for you they don't want to see you join your life they want you endure and pleasant things they want to see you suffer and that's the only reason why they're watching you after you leave and that is why you're saying that if you do just only the good things about your life and how things are going well after a certain amount of time they're just gonna stop watching you because they don't want to see you moving on and having fun especially without them so then they may just fade away they'll just disappear and they may get distracted by a news but as you know it's just gonna be the same thing they never change what they did to you they did to people before you and you may remember that in the beginning they told you these stories about their ex and whatever they said their ex did to them that's what they did and if you look back that's also what they did to you so that's what they're gonna do to the next person after you're gone as well you can see the pattern but they project they blame you for what they did to you just as they blame the Rex for what they did to the Rex it's always been they are always the problem and that never changes so you need to be aware of that don't think that they're moving on they're riding off into the sunset it doesn't work out like that that's what they wanted to think but that's not how it is I'm just enjoying this view of the lake got my favorite there I don't know why I like that bird there's something different about it I've got these massive beaks and they're just like chilling in the lake in their own business yeah I like it okay that's it for this video if it was helpful as always please give it a thumbs up down below let me know your thoughts in the comment section subscribe share the video if you'd like to book a one-on-one with me you can do that for my website it is narksurpiver.co.uk and check out my Instagram as well I've got new pictures and videos on my travels on there every day thank you all for watching and I will talk to you very soon


We'd like to call to order the design review meeting with Michael Birch coming forward sauntering at Good stead with strength and competence and he'll take the meeting over Yes, I should have had tear away sweats or something Patty roll call Let the record reflect that all board members are present except for a board member Zuko and at this point This is where we look to the approval of the minutes item 2. We have the November 15th draft minutes in the December 6th draft minutes Any comments that have not been brought to Patty's attention chair birch? I have a question for staff on this So typically with the is this a formatting thing with your new system the way that the The conditions are listed. It's kind of strange. It's like it's a it's got like November 15th See how it's like it's supposed to be kind of yeah, it's so it's just basically what it's doing is in our minutes. It's showing the Conditions of approval kind of just all in line with What appears to be html formatting tags for where it should be creating kind of like page breaks or indentations or whatnot So that's that's all it is. It's just a clerical issue and I was curious what was causing it right it looks like a little bit of a Computer-speak hieroglyphs. Yeah Okay, we can take a look at that petty. Thank you, but I don't see any other comments on the minutes Move on to item 3 board business That's where I read the statement of purpose for the design review board the review authority shall consider the location Design site plan configuration in the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements such as city policy statements and development plans So that is the purview of this board at this time item for public comment on items not on today's agenda See none. We'll close that part of the public hearing and move on to item 5 statements of abstention any abstentions from tonight's items Moving on to item 6.1 Patrick, do we need to do something with 6.1? It's it's off the agenda tonight But do we need to move it to another date certain? I know that sometimes there's It was moved to a date certain at the last hearing and I want to be careful Why don't I change the order maybe we can ask bill when he gets here we could I believe that moving forward It would just be renoticed for whenever it is whenever it goes forward again But it had to be on the agenda because it was announced for this meeting Okay, should do we don't need to make a motion to move it to a date uncertain or it's a date certain now Patty Do you so is that an action by the board or do we just leave it alone? Okay, great Perfect. We don't want to we don't want to make them reset the shot clock again That's our second basketball and analogy of the date, right? But So we'll move on to item this item 6.1 will be continued item 6.2 Modification to final design review for the Inn at Santa Rosa at 111 commercial court file number dr 16-053 and Patrick will look to you for a staff presentation Thank You chair birch members of the design review board the item before you is a proposed amendment to final design review Which was approved by this board? The project is a 100 room hotel in southeast Santa Rosa at 111 commercial court. It's a 55 foot tall building It would include typical hotel amenities including an outdoor pool and patio Courtyard balconies support to share as well as a terrace on the fourth floor All the modifications that are proposed are to the materials on the exterior of the building So there's no changes proposed to the architecture or to the the site layout of the project or the footprint So the project is located at 111 commercial court Which is just off of Santa Rosa Avenue in the southeast portion of the town The project parcel it was previously vacant. It is now under construction So if you've driven on highway 101, you'll see the framing going up for the hotel Which is is presently under construction And so the need to come back in front of this board to talk about any changes to materials that would be proposed So the changes that are shown in the slideshow that were also in your packet are slightly different from what's in front of you There's some new renderings which just arrived today. There are three sets. So staff would ask that the the board try to share if possible and the changes are Like like was previously mentioned only to the materials and to the colors So there's no changes proposed to the architecture of the building The the changes are proposed for all four sides and because the The changes are Aesthetic in nature and it is going in front of this board again for consideration It's the recommendation of planning and economic development that the design reboard By resolution approve a modification to final design review for the in et cetera as a hotel project And the applicant team is also present and able to answer any questions Thank you. We'll start with questions from the board to staff any From this end no drew Warren All right Look to the applicant to make a quick presentation or is actually as much of a presentation as you'd like to make It can be That's right Give us your name and relationship to the project as you start and you just sit with patrick and Good evening. My name is andrew firestone. I'm the owner and representative for the in et Santa Rosa Um And I apologize what we had given patrick was updated and we asked the design team to actually more accurately represent What the materials are going to be which is in that packet there? the printer Messed up and only got three copies. So I apologize. We got it right here locally So it was a bit of a mad dash, but we wanted to give the most accurate representation there There's a narrative that was written by By the design group Also, they provided the materials that will be used and the colors That will be used Only one change one of the marbles up there. It's going to have a ribbed texture to it Which they couldn't get it in time for this meeting, but That was the uh that those are the materials that will be used I when I talk to patrick about Having this meeting a lot of times what what happens in these meetings is there's a value engineering going on Um, this actually is probably a little bit different. We actually are Um, we took a closer look at the exterior of the building We spent a lot of time and money and design work on the interior And we wanted to make sure the exterior matched it and so it's kind of been an evolving process and with I'm sure you're all aware of the price of construction these days You know the the project got more expensive and we wanted to make sure that reflected in some of the design Pieces on the exterior as well And that is why we have limited some of the stucco and gone with some more I think high-grade materials for the exterior I won't pretend to be able to speak Architect speak or design speak, but it's all out here laid out in the in the narrative in terms of why the designers picked the materials and the colors When it was presented it just looked really good to me. I just I think it's really attractive and And I think that those printed Um renderings I think speak to that So we're excited to be under construction Where we are let's see about two and a half floors into the four floors being framed so far It's a little muddy today. We were out there But just thrilled to have this project moving forward and um be happy to answer any questions more specifically if I can In terms of materials I do have scribble on the back of those materials to show exactly where they would go In terms of the layout of the building Great. Thank you. Um, we'll start with questions for the applicant From this end Eric sabre Scott true I just had one On the east elevation and what you just gave us versus Yeah, yeah, there are only three copies. Yeah versus, uh, I guess what was electronic So we have looks like there's some pilasters On the east elevation in the electronics the middle and I'm assuming they're gone just for clarification Pilasters pilaster here you come look at mine Make it easy So you see this those are pilasters And it looks like you guys have eliminated them in here. Is that correct? Yes, but those those are part of it The architecture set was approved. So that may not be reflected in the image of a good eye I didn't see that but it's if if there is an articulation on the building I would assume that that's not changing that wouldn't be changing. Okay, cool. Okay All right. Yeah, we'll look at the floor plans here. We'll see Leave it to the architects to find that stuff But again, none of the none of the articulation of the building the parapets everything's staying exactly the same It's just literally the the finished materials on the exterior that were that were Changes being proposed And you can see on that the ribbed marble is that what I was referring to which I don't have an example of Here, yeah So it does look like on the plan set that's included it does look like those pilasters or bump outs are present However They're not on this document. So on the floor plan we got Yeah, so and this was this was primarily to show the the changes in the in the material the exterior materials So I would assume I would assume that those Bump out wouldn't wouldn't change. I wouldn't know why they would Those are on the east elevation that you're seeing right true From the old renderings It actually is there's some appeal to it Sorry There's actually some appeal the pilasters aren't probably structural they're architectural But no if you look at the cleanness of your latest there's actually some appeal That they're not necessito. They may not be necessary. Yeah, and that's that's kind of I guess we're going into comments now Let me ask the question I don't mean to jump over you Warren I just want to try to understand from looking at the renderings I'm looking at the renderings that The perspective views and I think these are with the new materials I'm looking at sheet four in the package am I reading that the Pacifico Blanco that it appears to be So the primary material here is is more of a Are we talking about sort of a faux? Okay, so this is the tile and then we resolve at the east elevation into stucco that's Scored or are we still Pacifico Blanco here's stucco's gone stucco's gone all together So so the building wraps four sides in Pacifico Blanco On the in here so the insets here Okay, oh the gray mouse. That's right. Got it. You're in stucco. Yeah I think it's probably mega graze. I know that color Graze Is it graze? It's patch for gray. Yeah, that's everybody's favorite color right now. That's the color of the year Mega graze Yeah I guess it was just it was hard for me to read what was going on on the east elevation And if we were making a transition because on sheet four and I don't know if you guys have sheet four open down there Oh, we've got two down here here okay On sheet four You can see that as the at the on the end of the building on what would be the north end of that tower There appears to be sort of a graphic distinction between The material on the north end of the tower with the three stories of windows and turning the corner and I'm just I'm trying to see I think that that is that turns into stucco here back into that that stone In this piece here got it back into stucco once again into here back into the see the front of stucco great There's no stucco. Good. That's what I was I was trying to make sure that I understood the key and what surfaces had what and I could see graphically that There were changes, but I wanted to make sure I understood them Okay Great that answers. Yeah one of my questions. Um drew. Are you still Young questions Warren It's really stuck on us in the front it's the back I hope I hope you guys we we've struggled with you know We moved from building seven where we had our warm fuzzy meetings and they were fun and applicants like you guys have brought great stuff forward It works really well when we have applicants with more issues We do like to have them over there and treat them coldly so it's uh, I I appreciate the distinction But we miss you guys. We wish you were closer. This is very formal I sent a picture of this to my kids so they think that I'm working tonight, so that's great Um, I did have one more question I think we've got it figured out, but I want to make sure it's we're reading it correctly Um, so it appears that there are three paint colors Yes, but the three paint colors are actually two stucco colors and a trim color. Is that correct? Am I reading that correctly? So so the benjamin morr satchel is Is the parapet? Is that the metal parapet color? So Is that that's this right? Yeah, that's the kind of that your upper patient. That's the eyebrow and kind of the Color of the of this piece here. Okay, this is this this gray here It is the trellis for the balconies the cord of the sheer columns and the juliet balconies are this color Okay, the parapet ease Are that yeah, all right by this piece or this here. Uh-huh. This is the That's the stucco and then this black right here. Is that the same as the thunder gray or is that also the that's the slate Okay, so this is the slate down here bottom here Okay, that's the slate and the parapet. Okay, so your whole front is stucco free. It's it's stucco less devoted to stucco less Yeah, okay. Cool. I think that's our that was my quick. I just wanted to clarify where some of these materials are Okay, just to make it easy. Thanks Great, so if there aren't further questions for the applicant, let's start with um Potentially a motion here from the board. Uh, we've got we've got a motion. Uh, we have a Recommendation from I got you covered design review Um I move that we approve modification to final design review the in at santa rosa 111 commercial court File number dr 16-053 Wave reading of the text, uh, and I do have one condition that I would like to add to it as part of the motion And that condition is to remove the superfluous pilasters that were present in the previous Uh submittal package, uh, and actually go with the east elevation as reflected Like as reflected in the With those ribbed. Yeah, okay So that is my motion Is there a second Sabra with the second And discussion we'll start with you, eric No comments Sabra I just like to commend the applicant because I think the uh Revised drawings are a good deal more varied and interesting than the original drawing So uh from a an architectural standpoint, I see this as much more use of material In creative ways. Thank you Scott I would echo that comment. I think I I liked the other iteration And I like this one even better and I think it's more unique To its own project. So nice work True Yeah, I I wasn't on designer review board when you guys presented this originally So I just took a little bit of time the other day to look at them. I think actually this one's a little bit stronger Thank you for putting together a really good package and My only comment is I'm not a huge fan of fake wood But I understand the durability That you want in your wood materials and but still getting that warmth of wood. So that's my only real comment Yeah Warren Yes, I won. I wanted to commend you for um a really In my opinion a great example of what the future could be with both maintenance and aesthetics I'm never really a fan of cultured stone And it it fades over time even so this is to me. It's a real triumph of new materials. Um There's amazing things going on with durability now And aesthetics. So this ought to be maintenance free It's fresh and I hope the signage compliments the elegance And taste you've thus far achieved Yeah, all of the same comments. I appreciate that We don't always see people back here making their project better Massacistic sort of urge to make it Great. So it is and and you guys did that you guys actually I think this is a Step up in materials and I think it's going to be a little bit more It's going to be some long term The look is going to last I think some of the some of the older materials they look great today But I think that this is just a little more restrained and refined And it's great the one comment I have and I hate to stay on page Four of the document is my my only thought and we don't have a completely keyed set of drawings But there are two tower elements And at the north and the south And my comment about it appearing as though the return To the eastern facade of that stair tower appears to be stucco right now and I would love to see that Be done in in the pacifico blanco so that it looks like that whole tower On that end of the building is a tower And that it's a probably a 10 foot wide segment of And I just want to confirm that where the tower returns at the south end and it appears so from the materials That that end of the tower also returns so that just just as those things return around to the east They don't they don't just automatically turn to stucco that the towers both have You know at least they're three sides that are bolted on to the end So I don't know I'm I'm the first one to make that recommendation It haven't heard it from anybody else, but I I actually think you might be reading the set wrong because if you look on sheet one It's it's deceptive because there's shadow Um, but if you look on set one on the east elevation there, there is a color differential between you think it's you think it's right I think it's right. Yeah, I think it's I'm looking at it's a white. I'm looking at a rendering further up That just doesn't so it looks it looks as though it's keyed right. We probably don't need to don't need to make it part of the conditions So at this point, I I don't hear any other conditions arise out of the discussion Pilot well, he's made it part of the motion Yep So if we can call for a vote There's nothing to yeah Board members briere Yes Kincaid Aye Goldschlag Aye Weigal Aye Hedgepeth And birch Aye Great. Thank you guys. Thank you very much You as well Yes, uh just quickly in in these in these in these elevations. It does appear that this strip This is the strip that I was concerned about because where I read that on page four It it didn't key the same. Yeah, but it looks like it is keyed the same Most sense perfect It looks right It looks right so Thank you very much Moving on to item seven board member reports Any board member reports item eight bill do we want to talk quickly about Vacancies elections, etc, etc We can and I think it's mostly a reiteration of what I mentioned last time with some new Activity movement on the city council will have some opportunities for reappointments or new appointments Uh, if your term is up and you would like to remain on the board You would need to reapply so you can fill the paperwork out submit it to the city clerk And if you're not interested, uh, you can have discussions directly with your council member or if your term is up just not submit new information As it stands the policy is you stay until reappointed Or replaced so and I mentioned that at the last meeting so I have no information right now from any of the the new members or the mayor so That's the status quo. Great. Would this be an appropriate time for me to share what I know? Yes, okay my uh, the the new board member victoria flumming who was elected to Um district four where I believe four or five of us actually live Um She contacted me and made me aware that she has um an environmental scientist who is going to be her appointee So I think he should probably be very well suited to the board. Um There was discussion of Potentially how I might fit in but I've made a decision to step back so I don't have my name in the hat so the chairmanship will be available also and um, I think that the other members are soyer and Schwedhelm, right? So who does that? Schwedhelm and who's soyer is it kevin or is I think it's kevin. So I don't know what they're doing So the chairmanship is going to be open after victoria Fleming's new appointee takes takes on the role. I have encouraged victoria Not for my own not because i'm trying to run away But I've encouraged victoria to see how quickly she can appoint that member I think that having that member on the january 17th tour of the Downtown development zone would be an extraordinarily helpful place to start I think wasting that tour on me would be at this point would be But I think having somebody who is stepping in it would be a good start for them So we'll see what happens. We'll see if she does that I will be serving until i'm done and I don't know what interest there is in the chairman's position I will share with the group that it's not other than having to be slightly more alert During the meetings I do spend some time With bill and with some other staff During during the week Talking procedural items or maybe vetting thoughts about how we're going to handle something Or getting some insight from bill meeting about 15 minutes early It is not terribly onerous to be the chair on the board except for having to have that extra cup of coffee Every you know up first and third thursday before the meeting and bill will buy you the coffee if you need You get a complimentary cup of coffee. I will provide the coffee So you lost me at hanging out with bill occasionally, huh? Just one we'll cover that Is this thing there we go? The chairmanship is an appointment by the mayor But it does not have to be the mayor's appointee the mayor can pick any of the members to assume that role so right And with that if there's nothing else from the department report we're adjourned