What was your initial reaction when you found out about John Robinson?  What was your reaction? I think I was shocked just like everybody else was. You're always one, you take responsibility for everything. Do you feel like at all responsible, like you could have done better to carry this franchise better so that he didn't get fired? I mean I always think I could do better after every game and especially after these last couple weeks. But to say all that, I mean I don't, I can't say all that. I'll just focus on me doing better, playing better and wherever I can to help this team win and help this organization. Here, did you talk to John at all yesterday and just tell him anything? Yeah, we had a personal conversation. And the thing about John, his door is always open to us to come in and talking throughout the years. I definitely did a lot with him. I'm definitely appreciate him throughout the years of helping me. He drafted me. He might pass on me two or three times, but he's still got me here. And definitely appreciate him when he's done for me and my family. And just a fun ride to be able to come in and help him change the culture and help turn this organization around. Jeff has talked a lot about how he thinks togetherness can be the thing that takes you guys over the hump, down the road in the playoffs against some of these better teams that have gotten your number. What do you think togetherness fits in versus execution, versus skill level with all of that stuff? Yeah, I think, I mean, we're stronger together. So I think that's all we are preaching and are working to do. And just stick through it, continue to work, continue to get better, continue to push each other, hold each other accountable, and work throughout the week and get ready for Sundays. Got a movement like Derek, I guess coming off the back to back wall, he's the one that kind of gets things fixed in the run game. What have meetings been like? What have kind of filmed work been like? Coming out and getting better. Like I always say at each game, and I come up here every Thursday, just getting better and proven. And guys looking to do that, and that's how we've been working. Maybe besides the 99-yard run, what do you recall Derek from that huge game that you had against Jacksonville a few years ago? I don't care about that anymore. That was four years ago, it don't matter. Did that probably get the same response, but I'll try. Does that game mean anything for you in terms of like your career, like confidence-wise or anything along those lines? I'm feeling right now, no. I don't care. That's over with, I didn't ask. Asked 20 questions about that game. The game is in the past, it's new team, new players, it don't matter. Walter Peyton, man of the year, nominate for this team for the second year in a row. Maybe what does that mean to you, to do it for the second year in a row? And what kind of example do you want to set? It's a great honor. Especially the guys who wanted the things they've done off the field and the players they are, the men they are, and I try to do those things and carry those characteristics every day. And like I said, the morals and principles Walter Peyton stood for and the things that he did and the way that this award holds for every athlete should strive to be like that every day. I know I try to do that as well and just try to be an inspiration. By my foundation and what I do off the field and just being a light to anyone that needs it on and off the field as well. What's that foundation like one of the things you want to do is help youth who are out of disadvantage. Why is that so important for you to go out of your way to make sure that that disadvantage is made up for? Yeah, I think whenever you try to build a foundation and something that is a resource to the community you found was closest and dear to your heart. I think youth is the youth is something that I really care a lot about and I really want to help and be that resource and anything I can do with my foundation to help always want to do that and they're the future. So anytime I can help them strive or anything like that, I'm always out for it and my foundation definitely tries to represent that. What's the most important aspect of trying to get it cranked back up again after a couple of weeks where there hasn't been a lot of opportunities and a lot of success. Does it just take one good run maybe to get things going back in the right direction? As you watch this film, come out here and practice. You work hard and execute in the game and that's what you got to do. That's what it all comes down to.  Simple as that. How excited was Julie's chestnut Sunday and did you talk to him about what it's like to manage your emotions through your first NFL game? I don't think Julie's had crazy emotions. I think he was just excited and I was excited for him to see him get out there. And finally get his opportunity and I know he's been waiting. He works hard, he comes in to work and does his job and I'm looking for it to finally happen for him. I was really happy for him and I think he did a great job. Jay, when you see Trevor Lawrence on film, how much do you think he's improved from year one now through a good job? Yeah, I think he's improved a lot. I do. I think they're doing a good job schematically with him. Finding ways to get the ball in his hands. He's always been really good with the RPO stuff, the stuff he's done in college. That stuff showing up, I think it's just command, his understanding. You see him check in. You see him doing some different things at the line of scrimmage now. You see him make all the throws. He makes a deep out throw. The go balls, the ones from the opposite of the hash to the sideline. So I do, I think he's improved a lot. Shane on the Christian Fulton call, the one where he got hurt on the touchdown pass. Yeah, I mean, can he do anything differently? We tell him the rules supposed to be if he's got position in that space, he owns the space. So whether ref saw him as moving his feet is kind of like a charge in basketball, right? If you're moving your feet, you don't really own that space. But if you're established and you own the space, technically that's his space and it shouldn't have been called whether, I mean, it still got ran over, right? So it's still going to be a touchdown, but that's how I would compare it. What you're seeing with, I guess, David now heard, obviously, you've been able to help Zach and other of you guys have been playing inside. What's Manny doing with his opportunities? Or maybe how could his role increase? Yeah, I mean, I think he's out here working to improve. The thing about Manny, he missed all spring, he missed all training camp. So there's a lot of catching up going on right now for him when we're in game plan mode a little bit. So I mean, I think each week he's getting more comfortable with everything we're asking him to do. He's all those little things that, especially year one to year two, man, that's a huge year for these rookies in terms of development. And then you miss that offseason, just continuing to focus on the fundamentals, the techniques, the alignments, all the little things that come with playing this game.  So, but he has, he's improved since he's been out here working. He's been able to get back on the field and it'll be good to see him out here come Sunday. Jeffrey's not been quite as dominant the last couple of weeks. Is that, you think, more of a product of the fact that he hasn't been able to practice as much and play him through the ankle? Or is that he's getting even more attention now that Danico's out of the line? Probably a combination both. I do. I think probably all those things you mentioned are probably playing a part in that. With Ajay Brown and what he was able to do, I know you guys had a lot of focus on the run. Do you think like maybe there was a little too much focus on that and not enough allocated to stopping? Yeah, I think, I mean, obviously for what they threw for, I would say we didn't have a good enough game plan against the pass, you know? Like we didn't get our guys a good enough plan to go out there and stop them against the pass. And it's only so much you can do normal ball first, second down in terms of what you're trying to do to take guys away. And there's things we've done in the past to help us. You get a little bit more into that stuff on third down in some of those situations where you're not really susceptible to the run as much. But yeah, I think with Hertz and what he did previously that week against Green Bay in the run game, what they kind of showed schematically there. And then also his scrambling ability, I think all that kind of played a part. I was seeing maybe Danico's value beyond like his individual play, but with the versatility and what he means to guys on either side of him and behind him. Yeah, I think, I mean, I alluded to it last week a little bit. I think the communication, just the familiarity of guys, you're out there with guys that you've been out there with a ton of snaps, right? So the communication aspect, the coordination is vital in this league in terms of rushing, especially against these mobile quarterbacks. I think the leadership in general, the energy he brings on game day. I mean, he has tremendous value for us. There's no secret, whether it's football wise on the field, his production, or just all the intangible stuff that he brings. What do you tell Trey Avery on the touchdown pass? Try to find the ball and get your hand up through the pocket. So he was in good coverage. Just, AJ made a play. You had talked, I think, the previous week about when we talked about the T Higgins catch about maybe your DBs playing a little bit more physical. Did you see kind of more evidence of that against Philly also? I think in certain spots. I mean, a lot of that depends on the coverage a little bit. I mean, obviously, down the field, you get in those one-on-one situations, which more times than not, those down the field throws are going to be some version of one-on-one situations. I think at that point, you just try to be more physical and be on body, where you're not fighting to try to get back in position without fouling, where you might be a little more cautious. I think being on body early, but depending on the coverage, we've got to do a good job of being able to disrupt some routes and not let guys get running. What do you think about Bud on Sunday? And you're hopeful that he's going to be in a position where he's surging late? Yeah, I thought he did some good things. Hopefully, that can continue. We need him. We need him. He knows that. We need him to go out there and make impact plays for us. That's why he's here. That's what we signed him for. And hopefully, down the stretch, we can get some more of those. How disappointing that Molden hadn't been able to get right this year.  I do. I mean, he battled. He felt it early, was trying to battle through it. Then it kind of had to set back. And again, it's just one of those things, man, at least some of these soft tissue stuff. You never really know. You come back to early at times, or you re-aggravate it. Then it gets in your head at times. So I mean, it's been a battle for him.  Obviously, we miss him. He was a very productive player for us last year with a lot of versatility. But hopefully, he can get right now and we'll kind of see where he has come whenever he's off. What are you expecting from your new guys? What kind of skill sets they bring? And I guess, Basham and Reed? Yeah, I think Basham's big. He's long. He's played in this league. He's experienced. I actually remember him coming out a little bit. So I mean, I think he's done a good job since he's been here just in terms of meeting with Crow, kind of getting an understanding of what's going on. But I mean, with all those edge guys, we're looking, especially those bigger dudes, we're looking for physical dudes who play through the face. Guys that are attacking who aren't reactive, like we want to be only attack out there, setting edges, rushing the pass or whatever that might be. So hopefully, we get a little bit of that from him.  But I think he's a smart kid. And I think he brings some versatility for us, whether it's inside, outside, whatever that might be. I think he's got some versatility. And even yesterday, just I think he signed during meetings and then he's out there actually going through stuff and not really busting a whole lot. So encouraged by him right now. We're seeing a guy for the first time like E.T.N. I know it's primarily film that you're looking at what he's done. Do you talk about a comp too, maybe that this guy's like so-and-so and we did this against him? Yeah, I think as a staff, we kind of look at the whole picture a little bit just in terms of all their skilled players and how they're going to attack us and what those skill sets are. I mean, there's always conversations where we got to kind of pick and choose a little bit. Like they're extremely talented. They're extremely fast. I guess this is probably one of the faster teams we played across the board at receiver.  So that all comes into play a little bit when we scheme. And I think even more so when we're talking to the players about making sure we're on our game plan and what we're doing just in terms of like they're going to find it, they're going to exploit it. Like if we're not in the right position or we let these guys run after they catch the ball, like it's not going to be good for us. So hopefully we can get some stops here and slow them down a little bit. With Roger on the query, there's a lot of talk about the rookie wall. Do you feel like he's hitting that? And if he is, like how do you coach him through and get him to play strong down the stress?  So you got, it's a long, I remember my first year in the league, we played Mexico City on a Monday night and it was like week 11 and my college team I came from just got done. I'm like, holy hell, we still got six more weeks of this thing. So it is like it's an adjustment. I think they just got to take it day by day. I do, I think they got a grind. They got to stay focused on the job at hand each every single day, right? And not look too far ahead, not look behind of what we've done and just focus on improving. That's what we're preaching to all these guys right now. Like these teams that go places, they improve, especially late in the year, you see the improvement. So we got to get back to doing that, improve in and then obviously be able to carry that over on Sunday. Where would the improvement have been on that Devante Smith touchdown? Yeah, I think he, they ran a post, they ran a quarters beater and he just kind of weaved outside. He got too loose outside and then he was able to break it in. So just understanding like, that's the thing with a lot of our guys, like just based on what coverage we're playing now, like we got to know the worst thing that can happen to us and make sure we defend that and then we got to play through everything else.  Yeah, I mean, that's the fact. That's what those receivers are going to try to do, right? They're going to try to get you to go one way then go the other way. So that's, that's always a factor, but understanding now, like, that's where you're most vulnerable is inside deep in that coverage. So just making sure we're understanding, we're defending what we're most vulnerable to and if they throw it deep out, so be it. Like we got to line up and play again. Three weeks or so, it's like less than a yard after getting the football, he's getting hit. What can you guys do to get him to that fourth and fifth step that you say is so important? Yeah, we've got to be better across the board. You know, it starts with making sure that we're good schematically that all of us are doing our job, you know, from a teaching standpoint, getting everybody on the same page. We got to be able to get into these combinations and run off the football, trust our landmarks, you know, and I believe that we'll get back to that. I think we've had a couple of weeks of kind of, you know, not like us performances, but I trust that we're going to get back to that. How much has that impacted the passing game, Todd? You know, when you guys haven't had your customary ability to run the ball, much has that made a difference? Yeah, I think we've done some decent things from a growth standpoint in the last few weeks in the pass game, you know, going all the way back to Green Bay, you know, really the situations is what changes things. When you're in second and long and then you're, you know, trying to get into either a third manageable or you're throwing a bunch on, you know, kind of known passing downs, that changes the concepts a little bit. So we know that it's all tied together, right? You got to be able to run the football to have your play pass come to life and certainly you need to sustain drives to be able to throw those counter punches and compliments. Maybe I should say that the past pro, I guess, in particular, when you're in those kind of situations, like you mentioned, how that significant impact, you know, from the lack of room. Yeah, when you're putting yourself in a situation where the defense, you know, has a pretty good idea that you're going to throw the ball, it gives some pretty talented addressers a chance to pin their ears back. Going back to camp, you kind of had Gracie MacMath pegged as a guy who could help take the top off the defense and maybe create some things underneath. He's missed a lot of time. What's a realistic expectation for him to contribute now? Yeah, I think we're figuring that out as the week goes on, you know, just where he's at physically and what he's able to handle from a workload standpoint. Obviously, you guys remember Gracie's skill set, you know, he's a big, strong, fast player for us and, you know, certainly somebody that would be nice to have, but I'll kind of deal with that, you know, as the week unfolds and if Coach Fribill tells me he's indeed available. Is Denistation a possibility of maybe getting Lorraven Clark in the mix a little bit in the competition? What have you seen from him as far as improvement goes and how you think Dennis has done over the last couple weeks? Yeah, you know, I think Dennis probably falls into the same category as a lot of people that there's been some inconsistency and there have been flashes of some good things. You know, he's done a nice job, you know, with some of the techniques that we've asked him to improve on, you know, in pass pro, but then there's been some lapses as well, you know, and I think that that is true to a lot of people on offense and we, myself included, need to try to find a way to stay in a better rhythm, you know, and just get in that flow within the game, which leads to Lorraven, you know, he's been working his tail off and, you know, certainly is a guy that has some experience in this league and, you know, I know he's chomping at the bit, so we'll see where that thing kind of goes as the week goes and as reps in practice kind of unfold and, you know, we try to create competition around here as best we can, that spot's no different. Dennis has been treated like he's unquestionably the best left tackle on this team since Taylor went down. Is he unquestionably the best left tackle on this team? I think he's done enough good things to warrant continuing to have opportunities. We just need to be more consistent in his offense overall and Dennis knows that he's no different. How does it go about building that consistency? How do you go from inconsistent to consistent? Yeah, you got to work really hard from a technique standpoint, you know, iron down some of those things that maybe you're, you know, struggling with in certain areas of the game and then it becomes a confidence thing too.  So, you know, those are things that we're working on and, again, it's not just Dennis who's dealing with some of those issues. Traylin's show in terms of talent and courage, I guess, to make that catch and take that hit the way it did Sunday. Yeah, it was a shame that unfolded the way that it did. You know, I really think he's been a part of the progression of the pass game.   I tell you what, from a guy that coached quarterbacks for a long time and spends a lot of time sitting in there with the quarterbacks, when a guy goes up and makes a play in traffic like that, builds a lot of confidence for the future. So, I look forward to when we have Traylin back out there ready to roll. Todd, I think we asked you this last week, but, again, with the red zone situation, and Tana Hill said just everything's magnified down there, which is obviously true. But anything you saw in last week's game, too, that you're seeing the trend with it going backwards? Yeah, well, first of all, missed opportunity, right? We got down there into a third and less than a yard and had an opportunity, you know, we went on the ball and we were going to run a pretty staple concept for us. Pick up a first down there and be first in goal inside the 10 where we've had some success over the years and this year included. And, you know, stubbed our toe a little bit, backed ourselves up, had a new player in a position that he hadn't executed and we missed fire and it led to a field goal. And I felt like that was a drive, a scenario in the game that kind of took a little bit of steam out of our engine, you know, and we got to understand that's a strength of this offense. There's an expectation when we get down there and we didn't live up to that expectation in that drive, but it doesn't waver my confidence in our ability to be a good Red Zone football team. That is. The team brewers played a full season as a starter. Fact that he's undersized as the season's gone on, is that starting to become more of a factor in him wearing down? I think that Aaron knows exactly who he is and how he has to play with the skills that he has and, you know, the skill set that he's dealing with and I think he's done a nice job of progressing in some areas and obviously consistency is the common word I'll say with everybody. He's just got to make sure that he's as consistent as possible in those techniques. Any thought at all to, I know you've been pretty much committed to Dillon at Guard, but any thought at all with these inconsistencies that you mentioned and giving him some snaps or reps, even a practice at tackle? Yeah, I think we're looking at all options, you know, and I think that Keith and Sully and Haas and his staff, Jason Hodling, you know, they all go through that and process through individual and where they're at from progressions and drills and their pre-practice and post-practice work and all those things. So it's more involved of a process than just, you know, playing a shell game up there. So I feel confident that we're making the right decisions. How do you approach things with Chig?  Yeah, I think opportunities are earned in this league, right? And certainly he's done well with opportunities he's had and there are a lot of times that things are designed with him as number one or number two in the progression, the ball just might go somewhere else or when you're not converting third downs and you're not sustaining drives, you don't have the opportunity to get to some of the stuff that you may have designed for him. So, you know, Chig has been doing a nice job with what we've asked him to do. You know, you gotta make sure that we keep getting opportunities to get him to football. So it's safe to say like as you're seeing him make more plays, you're going back and looking at other ways that you could kind of design to get him to football. Sure, similar to the comment I made about trailing, right? When the quarterback sees production from a certain player or we as coaches see them handle that environment well, it gives you, you know, great motivation to give him more opportunities. Well, following up on that, and you did get the ball to him more in this game, but you're saying if things don't pan out, it sounds like you're saying, if things don't pan out with other people, we don't get to the stuff where we want to get to Chig. So it kind of begs the question, why not go to Chig earlier to get to plays for other people? Sure, I understand the question. I would say that it's mainly talking about a run game and complements with the play pass, building complementary formations and personnel groupings. So sometimes it's not just, well, we want to try this route to this guy and if it doesn't work out, we'll come back to Chig. My point is that when you can't build a rhythm as an offense, it's hard to call those plays that you have, you know, designed for. Have you been somewhat restricted with what you could call for Ryan in some cases because of a lack of mobility and maybe you're just starting to think that could be opened up a little bit more with him moving around a little bit better now? You know, I think early in the game you saw Ryan's movement come back a little bit. You know, he's moving the best in the first half of the Philly game as he had in weeks, you know, and that certainly is a piece of his game that is an asset for him. And so, you know, as he's feeling more and more healthy and we see where he's at with, you know, coming out of the nicks from the Philly game, you know, we'll see how much we can move him. Sounded the other days if Mike was a little frustrated about the kind of the back-to-back penalties on the field goal attempt in the end, yeah. What needs to happen? Yeah, not our best day. And that's something that just can't happen, especially on a field goal block safe look. We got to continue to reiterate with the guys that the probability of us blocking a kick or even him missing one is extremely low for us. So we just got to make sure we continue to talk to those guys, back them up. We're not coming off the edge to try to block one. We don't want to run into the kicker. You know, that's just the thing. We just got to continue to talk to those guys about, because we know they're going to play with effort and finish all the time. There's just a chance where, hey, guys, listen, you know, they're probably going to make this kick over 90-some percent of the time.  And we obviously don't want that. We don't want any penalties on special teams. And, you know, we've got to do better on that. There were turn-man also had a field day. That's two weeks in a row of not your best day. When are we going to see your best day? Yeah, hopefully this week. You know, just going back and looking at it wasn't our best day with punting and in coverage. You know, we went back and looked at it. When we punt the ball 60-some yards and we don't get hang time, you're going to get return yards. You know, and then going back and looking at how we netted still close to 43, that's still not what we want. We want to go down there and cover. We want to have our best kick. And, you know, we would love to net, you know, 50, not the 43 that we end up getting. But we've got to continue to do better, teaching these guys lanes, getting more hang time on the punts, which is going to help out our gunners and going to help out our interior players. Back on the penalties that are caused by trying to get the blocks, but generally speaking, don't you go through the week? And if you spot something on film, a weak area that you can attack when you try to go for the block? Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, we're always looking at certain things, you know, a weakness in their protection. And then we're always going to talk to them about the long snapper, you know, what does he like to do? Does he like to head bob? Does he twitch his fingers? Does he move the ball a little bit when he tries to snap it? Yeah, we're always going to try to get those weaknesses. But again, you know, a kick that short, we've got to be smart about everything like that. Going back to that, if there's not a weakness or you don't get a certain look, aren't they instructed to back off? Sure. You know, it's tough to hold players where they want to go and give great effort, you know? And we don't want to stop them from going off and, you know, trying to go and block a kick. But again, it's just us reiterating to those guys that, hey, listen, guys, it's OK. We're not giving up on the play, but we just got to make sure that one, we don't hit the snapper, we don't line up there, and we don't jump off sides. This is not the first time you've said it's not what we want. We've got to coach better. I mean, isn't that repetitious? Sure. Why are you saying that? Yeah, it's tough for us to do that in the practice because it's not a full rep. You know, we're not going full speed at those type of reps during practice. No, I wouldn't say that. You know, I'll take the blame. That's on me as a special teams coordinator. We don't want to go and jump off sides. That's the biggest thing. But we'll continue to talk to those guys about it and then making sure that we're going to back off the ball even more. So if we do end up moving, we're still not off sides. So with the process on Thompson, a lot of new guys, maybe on the roster this week or in practice again, trying to get them incorporated into what you do? Yeah, well, one, we're excited about having Racy back and Josh Thompson if they end up playing for us this week. You know, we've been looking forward to those guys coming back. And then the new guys, we've got to continue to work with them, getting them in early, staying with them late after practice, talking to them. But it's good to have some young blood coming in there, too, because they're going to be excited to play on some special teams. What's the ideal? Was it like four and a half? Where are you guys now and how can you get to that? Sure, you'd like to coordinate all that stuff with the distance and the hang time. You know, good punts, like the very first one that Stoney end up hitting, he was over four or five on the hang time. And his last two, he was really around four, six, and four, eight. And when you're putting the ball that long, 50, 60 yards, you want to obviously have higher hang times. We just got to continue to talk and just understand that even though we hit 60 yarders, we can't have four zero on the hang time. That's not what we're looking for. We have to get four, four, four, five, some of those types of hang times on that in order for us to go down there and cover those kicks. Because again, if we don't get the hang time and we get a long kick, we're going to get big returns. Does late season fatigue, like for a rookie, does that factor maybe into that at this point? I would hope not because I know our guys take pride in being well conditioned players. And there's no excuses for any of us. We just got to go down there and cover and making sure we got great lane distribution, communicate with one another when we're running down the field, because they're obviously going to have some type of scheme, whether they're going to wall us down. We got to do a really good job of making sure we just understand we got to spread ourselves and cast a net and do a good job. Agnew is dangerous to returners. You're going to see this season. He's extremely talented, dynamic, dual-returner, both kickoff and punt-return. He's got six total touchdowns in his career. He's just a really good player from when he was in Detroit and even Jacksonville last year, he had two, one on a kickoff return and one on a longer field goal against Arizona in the first game of the year. So whether he's back there on punt-return or kickoff return, we've got to make sure we do a really good job of tackling this guy. So I guess as far as who your returners could be with Hassan and CJ both on the end of the report, maybe one such good some options. Yeah, I mean, you know, Don Trail Hilliard could be a guy that could be back there too. And if you guys remember during the pre-season, we had Racing McMath back there for some kickoff return. So we're going to get guys reps today. You know, we'll see how CJ and Hassan look later on in the week. But we got to get other guys ready and even Julius Chestnut has been back there early on part of the pre-season and we've been working with him too. What were just a couple of big hits on Sunday? Is that just the nature of the business of being the return man or is there something that he can do to maybe not get hit so hard so often? Well, I would say the first thing is we got to block better. That's what we take pride in and we address that with the players today. You know, we don't want our man making a tackle. And when our returner takes a big hit, we all got to take accountability with that because we obviously don't want that to happen. Now, could there be a few things that CJ can do better on the setup, possibly? But we got to go back there and block, get on a man and make sure that we finish longer than the guy with the ball.


Well on the Toffy TV I am joined by Andy. We continue to look at targets for evidence with the transfer window next week, counting down. We are looking at Moise Ken, Moise Keen, the young Y Juventus striker who has been heavily linked with a move to Gwladyswn Park from Juventus. If he is to join Evan, what type of striker are we getting? Quick, strong, unpredictable. He is not the most refined player at this moment in time for exciting talent, natural goalscorer.  He has got those natural instincts so he can play on the wing, can play off a front man as well so he has got the ability to do a lot of it. He played that for owner didn't he? He was on loan there and he played off the left a lot of the time. He has got good ability, can go by players. Obviously for Juventus he has played as a striker and for Italy under 21 he has gone through the middle as well. Is he someone we would have to be patient with? I believe so, yeah.  This lad is 1920, he is a good player but you cannot expect him to come in and score 20 goals this first year. He is an actual goalscorer, he can create chances for himself, he should score goals. It is just that we do need to be patient with him. Italy is a completely different game than he is, it just takes some time to settle in. So just give him a couple of games, I wouldn't break him off straight away if he doesn't look the most natural fit in the side of first ball. I think he has come into a good time, that is why his agent wants him to come into everything because he can develop and become a better player while I have him. A lot of people are talking in terms of comparisons, saying he reminds them of a young Lukaku. Yeah, they can see that the type of player he is is the strength, he is not as big as the height wise, but the strength, the weight, the pace, he is a bit raw as well at times, but yeah that seems sort of raw to us. He is a very exciting talent, Lukaku was a very exciting talent when he was 16, when he was an Andalec, he was a monster when he was 60 and this lad has been hyped up for years and it is a bit of a coup for everything because it is not often over the last 10 years we could have said we are saying one of the best young players in the world and that is what he is. This lad has been the next big thing in Italy, unfortunately he hasn't worked out in Italy because there is a lot of ignorant people there and that is partly one of the reasons why he wants to move away and write all the things that Evan would agree for him. I think he is going to be a bit of a coup for us in the sense that he is one of the best young strikers in the world, whether he fulfills his full potential we can only say, that is the chance you take. If he does come in and it is in it at the moment, is he someone you expect to go straight into the side or do you think? I think he will come in and out to side at first, I know people are a bit, hopefully pleased with Dom's pre-season performance but the fact that he is there already, he has played in the Premier League and we don't have to stick him straight away, he can come in on the first couple of games as a sub, I think that is a positive. Or he might just be like a duck to water and walk straight in the team and be number one striker, it depends. He is a great talent though, he is a very, very good player but he is not there yet to give him a little bit of time. There is obviously a development. He is a goalscorer though, he takes a shot here like we are talking about with other players, he is just a natural goalscorer, he is that type of player there. He has those aspects or instincts that domlachs I guess. He is quick isn't he, and again it fits in again with the suppose Evan is counter attack. We have seen that at a devastating effect almost at the end of the season, not quickly we broke on teams. I suppose if you could get this fella in and you have got the likes of Richard Charles, we know that we have been with someone like Wilf Sahar or Malcolm who is a wick as well. It gives you that excitement I suppose of Evan playing on the break. Having someone like him who can get up there as well, he is a natural goalscorer. We have seen that one and two for you last season. It is about creating chances though isn't it for him, it is not just expecting him to do it all. Some strikers can take their own chances, he is not at the stage where he can be a prolific striker for himself but he can because he has got speed in that strength. He does hit the ball early so he does take defenders by surprise. I think we do need to in the sense of he will need that to save us but I think we have got new players you can and hopefully we are going to add to that as well. You can drop off and set space and run a players. You can play different ways. You can get in the box, score goals and drift out to the left and run in. So there are different options for us really as a striker. Is out of the players we have been linked with as a centre forward this summer, would you say he is the one in your opinion that would fit best or is the sum one? I know you like Raphael Leal. Yeah but Leal is not playing in an evident style system. Leal played counter attacking football but he also played with a bit of possession as well. Leal is a bit more refined currently but then who has got the highest seal and you can't be sure. So again it is a good sign from the point of view that he is such a talent and if you can harness that ability then which I think Raphael Leal was a good person for it because he sort of works and plays one on one. He tries to make things second nature for me as that type of coach he does down the training ground. Obviously more old school managers don't do that. I think he will like that relationship as well so I think he could be a really good sign. I think he will enjoy playing in the Premiership as well. It is sort of sour for him last season after that Calgary game which was quite sad to see in 2019 but I think the Premiership he will be much more happier and I think he is going to be happier really. Should we read anything in tune following Everton on Instagram and things like that? Well you might just like the colour of the kit I don't know. I suppose that's the new thing isn't it. People like to watch the social media but I think as far as we are aware the interest has been genuine for three or four weeks now and I think Everton is probably surprised that he was available to him because if you would ask me in the start of the summer is Moise King or Moise King going to leave? No chance, he is going to leave, someone else will leave but no. I think Raoul has took the decision to move him on from Juventus because he wants him to develop and I think he needs to do that away from Juventus and obviously they want to buy a back to get him back eventually but hopefully have it awake and I am making that more favourable for us. Are you excited if I don't get him? I am very excited if you know. I don't know if anyone knows but he is a Waffa fan. He was a great ask last night. He did throw a dig in an event unfortunately but he did say that it could be potentially the deal of the decade because you are getting such a talent. People talk about that René Jesus from Brazil which is a great talent. He is a talent on that level. He may not look because he is a bit more unrefined but he is. He could be a 30 special player. When we got Romelu La Carchi, the difference between him and Rom is Ron came from West, had a season at West Brom where he was established in the Premier League. He hasn't had that yet but still just be patient with the line. I think we are a very good player. Interest and very interesting. He certainly looks like a top young player. It would be fantastic if Everton can do the deal. Obviously very interested in the Marcel Brands. Has been speaking to you very for a while. Obviously Mini Raiola is keen on him coming to Everton and he quite clearly sees us as the next stage of his development. It is a win-win that for me because you are getting a player who is on an upward trajectory. You can develop him and if it goes well he fires you into the top positions or you know higher up the league. Obviously a big sell-on. We will have to wait and see if the buyback is in there from you or if there is a percentage of a sell-on or whatever. We will have to see if we get him first. But if we do get him I think it is a fantastic sign. She will be excited by that. At least we are getting linked with good exciting players as we try to move forward. Now it feels as though the club certainly have a pathway that they want to follow. That is all you can hope for really. Big thanks to Randy for joining me on this. Make sure you subscribe if you haven't. Give the video a thumbs up and get over them. Join us on Peter. Why not? See you later.


Live from San Diego, California, it's theCUBE. Covering KubeCon and CloudNativeCon, brought to you by Red Hat, the CloudNative Computing Foundation and its ecosystem partners. Welcome back to KubeCon, CloudNativeCon here in San Diego. I'm Stu Minim, my co-host is Justin Warren and one of the things we always love to do is really dig into some of the customer use cases and joining us to do that, Andre Ribca, who's the head of Compute Architecture in the CTO office at Bloomberg. Andre, thanks so much for joining us. All right, so just to set the stage, last year we had your colleague, Steven Bauer, came, talked about, your company's been using Kubernetes for a number of years.  So congratulations on all the processes. You've been doing it for years, so all the problems I'm sure are already solved. So now we just have a big party, right? Yes. Well, I mean, certainly we are at this stage where things are quite mature and there's a lot of workloads that are running in Kubernetes. We run Kubernetes on premises. Steven has an excellent data science platform that does machine learning with GPUs and bare metal. We also have a really excellent team that runs basically platform as a service, generic platform as a service. Not GPUs, but effectively runs any kind of sales app or service and that's been extremely successful and there's a lot of interest in that and we also run Kubernetes on public cloud. So a lot of workloads for like Bloomberg.com actually are backed now by Kubernetes. Yeah, so we want to spend a bunch of time talking about the applications, the data, the services, you've built some passes there, but yeah, step us back for a second if you would and give us what led to Kubernetes and as you said, you've got your on-premises environment, you've got public cloud. Where was that when you started and what's the role of Kubernetes in that today? Sure, we started back in 2015 evaluating all kinds of sort of container orchestration platforms. It's very clear that developers love containers for its portability and you know, just ability to have the same environment that runs kind of on-premises or on your laptop and then it runs on the actual deployment environment, the same thing, right? So we looked at Mezos, Marathon, Cloud Foundry, even OpenShift before it was Kubernetes and we were in the office of CTO, we continuously sort of evaluate all different options and then once we make a decision, we recommend to the engineering team and work in partnership with engineers. So all of those awards and Everton actually, I want to say that this is really a kudos to our engineering team. We're just a small part of the puzzle. Now, as far as how we made the Kubernetes selection, it was a bit risky. We started with pre-Alpha version and I've read the Borg paper, how Google actually did Borg and when I sort of realized, well, they're trying to do the same thing with Kubernetes, it was very clear this is kind of, we're going to build on mature experience, right? So somewhat it was risky, but it also is safe bet because there was some good computer science and engineering behind the product. So we started Alpha version. The consumer web groups actually were one of the first deployments of the Kubernetes and they presented in the first KubeCon. It was an excellent talk on how we did Kubernetes and we came a long way since then. We've got sort of now probably about 8,200 clusters running and they run full high availability, DR minus one. I would say it's one of the most reliable environments that we have. We have frequently infrastructure auditors, hypervisors, the obviously hardware fails, which is normal and we rarely see any issues and actually no like any major issues whatsoever. So the things that we expected out of Kubernetes, things like reliability, elastic infrastructure, auto-scaling, the multi-tenancy, it all worked out. Higher density of sort of packing the nodes, that's another great sort of value add that we expected, but now we finally realize in that. So one question I've had from a lot of customers, particularly traditional enterprises who are used to doing things and they have a lot of virtual machine infrastructure. They're looking at Kubernetes but they're finding it somewhat opaque, a little bit scary. Talk us through how did you convince the business that this was the choice that we should make and that we need to change the way that we're developing applications and deploying applications and we want to do this with Kubernetes. How did you convince them that this was going to be, it was going to be okay in the end? Yes, yes, that's a really good question. A lot of people were scared and they were, is this going to break things or is this just a shiny new thing? And there was a lot of education that had to occur. We've shown a lot of POCs. Now the way we exposed Kubernetes was not just like a raw Kubernetes. We actually wanted to keep it safe. So we sort of stayed away from some like more alpha type of workloads and move towards kind of like the most stable things. And so we exposed this platform as a service. So the developers did not actually get to necessarily like Qubectl, you know, apply a config and just deploy the app. Like we actually had a really good sort of offering where we had kind of almost like a git flow kind of environment where you have your source control then you have CI CD pipeline. And then once it goes through all the checks and balances you deploy your containers. So from that perspective, we actually hid quite a bit of things that made things a bit dangerous or potentially a little more complicated. And that proven to be the right strategy because right now, as far as like the real ability, I would say this is probably one of the most reliable environments that we have. And this is by design. We basically tell the developers by default you're supposed to run at least two replicas, at least two data centers by default or two regions or two availability zones. And you can't change that. There's some people who are asking me like, can I just deploy just in one dataset? I'm not sorry, no. Like that by default is like that. And auto scaling on. So if one data center goes and you need the R minus one. So if you started with two minimum replicas then it auto scales to four or whatever that would be set. So I think we basically put a prototype of proof of concept relatively fast. And we got with the initial platform as a service from zero to actual delivery in about three months. A lot of building blocks were there and we just put it kind of the pieces of the puzzle together. That does echo a lot of the discussion that was had in the keynote today even was about looking at making Kubernetes easier to consume. Essentially by having all of these sensible defaults. Like you mentioned, you will have two replicas. It will run in these two different zones and kind of removing some of that responsibility for those decisions from the developers. How does that line up with the idea of DevOps which seems to be partly about making the developers a bit more responsible for their service and how it runs in production. But it sounds like you've actually taken a lot of that effort away from them by we've done all of this work for you so you don't have to think about that anymore. I mean a little bit of background. We have about 5,500 engineers. Expecting everybody to learn DevOps and Kubernetes is not realistic, right? And most developers really want to write applications and services that add business value, right? Nobody wants to really manage networking at the low level and there's a lot of still complexity in this environment, right? So as far as DevOps, we built shared kind of teams that have basically like a think of like centralize the SRE teams that build the core platform components. We have a world-class kind of software infrastructure group which builds those type of components. On top of the sort of the technology infrastructure team that caters to the hardware and the virtualization infrastructure built on OpenStack. So there's very much kind of a lot of common services plus shared services teams that built that as a platform to developers and that's how we can scale because it's very hard to do that if every team is just sort of replicating each one of those things. All right, so Andre, let's talk a little bit about your application portfolio. Bloomberg must have thousands of applications out there. From what you were describing, is this only for kind of net new applications? If I want to use it, I have to build something new replacing something else or can you walk us through kind of what percentage is on this platform today and how's that migration or transition? It's not necessarily net new. We actually did port quite a bit of the sort of classic Bloomberg services that developers expect to the platform and it's seamless to the developers. So we've been doing quite a bit of sort of Linux migration, meaning from like things like Solaris, AIX, and this platform was built purposefully to help developers to migrate their services. Now they're not sort of lift and shift type of migrations. You can't just expect the classic C++ shared memory app suddenly like jump and start being in containers, right? So there are some architectural changes, differences that had to be done. The type of applications that we see, they're just sort of microservices oriented. Bloomberg has been around since 1981 and they've been doing service oriented architecture since like early 90s. So things were already kind of in services kind of framework, kind of mentality and before we had service matches, Bloomberg had its own kind of paradigm of service matches. So all we're doing is kind of retrofitting the same concepts with the new frameworks and what we did is we brought in sort of like a new mentality of open source first. So most new systems that we built, we look for kind of what about if, we look for open source components that can fit in this particular problem set. So the applications that we have right now, we have quite a bit of data services, data transformation, pipelines, machine learning. There's quite a bit of the machine learning as far as like the actual learning part of training and then there is the inference part that runs quite a bit. We have quite a few of content services, like I mentioned, Bloomberg.com and many sort of things that you would normally think of like the content delivery services that run on Kubernetes. And I mean, at this point, we certainly try to be a little bit conscious about stateful services. So we don't run as much of databases and things like that. Eventually we'll get there once we prove the reliability and resiliency around the stateful sets and Kubernetes. Yeah, do you have an estimate internal or goals as to what percentage of applications are on this platform now and a roadmap going forward? I mean, it's hard to say, but going forward, I see majority of our services migrating to Kubernetes because for us, Kubernetes has become essentially a standardized compute fabric. One thing that we've been missing, there's a lot of open source projects delivered virtualized infrastructure, but that's not quite enough, right? You need other sort of concepts to be there and Kubernetes did deliver that for us. And more importantly, it also delivered us kind of almost like a multi-cloud strategy, kind of accidentally because none of the cloud providers have any standard APIs of any source, right? So even if you use Terraform, that's not necessarily multi-cloud. It's just like, you got to write HCO for each cloud provider. In Kubernetes, more or less, that becomes kind of a really solved problem. Well, so what flavor Kubernetes are you using? Do you leverage any of the services from the public clouds on Kubernetes? Yeah, I'm in excellent question. So we want to leverage managed offering as much as possible because things like patching the security of CVEs and things like this, I want somebody to take care of that for me and harden things and out of the box. So the key to our multi-cloud strategy is use managed offering, but based on open source software. So if you want to deploy services, deploy them on Kubernetes as much as possible, if you want to use databases, use managed database, but based on the open source software like Postgres or MySQL, and that makes it portable, right? To an extent, there's going to be some slight differences, but I do believe that managed is better than if I'm going to go and bootstrap VMs and manage my own control plan and the workers and things like that. And it isn't a lot of additional work that I think organizations generally did try to roll their own and do everything themselves. There's a lot more understanding, since the advent of cloud, essentially, that actually making someone else do this for what is essentially the undifferentiated heavy lifting, if you can get someone else to do that for you, it's a much better experience. Which is actually what you've built with the Kubernetes service for your developers is you are becoming that managed service for your app developers. I think a few enterprise organizations have tried to do that a little bit with centralized IT. They haven't quite got that service mentality there where I'm the product owner and I need to create something which my developers find is valuable to use so that they want to use it. This is exactly spot on. When I drove Malmberg six years ago, one of the things we wanted to do is effectively offer a public cloud services on-premises and now we are there. We actually have a lot of managed offerings, whether you want Kafka as a service, Queue as a service, or Cache as a service, or even Kubernetes, but not necessarily we want to expose Kubernetes as a service, we want to expose Platform as a service. So you hit the nail on the head because effectively developers, one kind of the same things that they see in the public cloud. Oh, I want fact function as a service. I want Lambda, something like this. Well, that's the type of platform as a service, right? So you're spot on. So, Andre, last question I have for you. You talked about the maturity of the managed offerings there. Something we've seen a lot this year is the companies that how am I going to manage across various environments there? You saw Microsoft with Azure Arc, VMware with Tanzu. What do you think of that? Is that something that interests you or anything else in the ecosystem that you still think needs to mature to help your business? Sure, sure. I mean, I think the use cases that trying to address are definitely near and dear to my heart because we are trying to be multi-cloud. And in order to be truly mature multi-cloud sort of company, we need to have sort of mature kind of multi-cloud control plane that has kind of the deployment address, CACD pipeline address, then it needs to address the security, not just like day one, but day two, alerting, monitoring, all of like, if I was just to have three different portals to look at, it's very complicated. You're going to miss things. I want one pane of glass, right? So what this company is addressing is extremely important and I see a lot of value in it. Now from my point of view and in general, what we prefer if it was an open source project that we could contribute and we could collaborate on, we'll still want to pay money for the support and what not. We don't want to just be free writers, right? But if it's an open source product and we can be part of it, it's not just read-only open source, that is definitely something that I will be very much interested in participating. And majority of the developers that we have, they're very happy to participate in open source. I think you've seen some of our contributors here. We have some people contributing to Kubeflow. There's many other projects. We have quite a bit of cool projects like the KS engineering with a powerful seal. If somebody wants to check it out, we've got some really interesting things. Well, Andre, really appreciate you sharing what you and your engineering teams are doing and thank you for all the contributions back to the community. For Justin Warren, I'm Stu Miniman, back with more of our three-day wall-to-wall coverage here, KubeCon, CloudNativeCon. Thank you for watching the Kube.


Okay, we're back here live ending up day one of IBM's information on demands exclusive coverage with silicon angle and wiki bond and constellation research Breaking down the day one analysis. I'm John Furrier and joining my co-host here in the cube Dave Vellante Of course as usual and for this closing wrap-up segment of day one We have Analyst and the founder of constellation research Ray Wang former analyst big data guru big software Heading up the partner pavilion kicking off all the plan around the world.  How are you? How are you doing? We're doing great, man? There's a lot of energy in q3 q4 We've been watching people look at trying to spend down their budgets And I think people are just like sh worry that there's gonna be nothing in 2014, right? So they're just spending down we're seeing these big orders like tonight I've got to fly out to New York to close out a deal and help someone else That's basically it was a big day to deal that's going down This is how crazy it's going on and so it's been like this pretty much like for the last four or five weeks budget flush What are you seeing for the deals out there? Give us some of the examples of some of the sizes and magnitude is it you know, you know How are you up and run to get get some cash in to secure? What size scopes are you seeing up? Yeah I mean what we're seeing I mean it's anything from a quarter million in to like five million dollar deals Some of our platform we see at all levels the one that's really hot We're talking about this at the Tableau conference was the data vis right data vis is still really really hot But on the back end we're saying data quality pop-up. We're saying the integration piece play a role We also saw a little bit of content management But not the traditional content management that's coming in more about the text mining text analytics to kind of drive that I mean, I'm not sure. What are you guys seeing? Yeah, so Well, we're seeing a lot of energy. I've seen a budget flush We're not involved in the deals like you are Dave is but for me what I'm seeing is IT cloud is being accepted out, you know, this is not talked about publicly It's kind of a public secret is Amazon is just destroying the value proposition of many folks out there the cloud They're just winning the developers hand over fist and you know, I'm not sure pivotal with cloud found you even catch up Even open stack has really got some some energy around we're following that so it opens stack You got Amazon on the public cloud winning everything so money's pouring into the enterprise saying hey We got to build the infrastructure under the hood so you can't have the application edge if you don't have the engine So it's a hundred X price advantage and that's really a scary thing, but I think software gives IBM a shot here Yeah, we were talking about software. So you are seeing more. I mean if you've seen it eight Eight figure deals and big data, right? I mean it's starting to get up there So software love to get your take on soft layers. We've been having a debate all day about soft layer Josh McConaughey, what do you what's your take? You're saying it's a host thing Look at first of all, yeah, I love but it's a huge gap $900 million for a block of Of the data center hosting now if that's a footprint they could shave that and kind of give their customers some comfort I think that's the way I see it I mean just I haven't gone inside the numbers to see where it's going to be with the synergy is but like Where software virtualization is going and where everyone's going on with a virtualization the data center? I just don't see I mean I think it provides them with an option to actually deliver cloud services With a compression ratio and storage and a speed that they need to do to deliver mobile mobile data analytics, right? There's things that are there that are required. So it gives them an option to be playing the cloud Well, I just saw I mean in the news coverage and the small inspection that we did I did was I just it didn't Reek of software innovation. It's simply a data center large hosting big You agree they didn't really have a Before this was brilliant sunsetting the previous all the musical chairs deal kind of musical chairs before the music stops Get something was that kind of the deal no I think it's probably more like customers asking for something and they wanted IBM to have it Yeah, IBM works. It's an IRR play for IBM. I mean they're gonna make money on this deal It's not a tuck under deal 900 million. No, I know but they'll make money on it That's IBM almost always does with it. I'll leave it up to you guys To riff on how was your conference? Oh, thanks. Hey constellation Connecting Enterprise was awesome We were at the half Moon Bay Ritz. We had a 220 folks that were there senior level individuals One of the shocking things for me was the fact that when we pulled the audience on day one two things happened I would never imagine first thing is 90% of the folks downloaded our mobile app, which was like awesome, right? So the network was with them the knowledge is with them when they leave the event and all the relationships The second thing that really shocked me We knew we had really good ratios, but it was 75% of the audience that was line of business exacts and 25% IT It was like we were we didn't have to preach to the choir It was amazing and the IT folks that were there were very very innovative on that end So it was awesome in that way so a lot like the mix the mix here is much more line of business exacts The last we get Hadoop world is you know the t-shirt crowd right a lot of practitioners, you know scoop hive flume Hey, we got an almost everywhere But no this event is actually interesting IBM Iod for me is like I didn't realize this when I didn't I looked at numbers when we're doing the partner event yesterday And there are 13,000 attendees here That actually makes that the biggest big data in analytics conference bigger than strata bigger than a whole bunch of other ones And so I mean this is pretty much the nexus of well, what about open-world? C-world That's cloud means big data No, but so IBM's done a fantastic job of really transitioning this conference from sort of the eclectic mix of DB to inform Right yeah, and now it's like oh, what are the business things?  It's a hard story to tell you got big data analytics cloud mobile in the middle and you got social business But then you got all this use case they have success stories They have customers that creating business outcomes are they telling the story effectively is it not enough speeds and fees is it too? What's your take the stories are there? We've seen like a hundred twenty two case studies from the business partner side We just haven't seen them percolate out and I think they've got to do a better job evangelizing stories But what's interesting is like there's that remember we talked about this data to decision level there's that data level That was IBM right here's the database here's the structure here's the content management Here's the unstructured stuff. This is where it sits then there was that information management level Which that they started to do which is really about cleaning the data connecting that data Connecting to upstream and downstream systems getting into CRM and payroll and then they got to this level about insights Which was all the Cognos stuff right so they've been building up the stat from data decisions So they got data to information information to insight and then we're getting to this decision-making level Which they haven't made a lot of the assets or acquisitions there, but that's the predictive analytics That's the cognitive computing you can see how they're wrapping around there I mean there's a lot of vendors to buy there's a lot of opportunity out there There's a lot to connect and they've been working on it for a while But I got so I got to ask you how they do and what's your report card from last year this year better better storytelling better Messaging I think the stories are getting better, but we're seeing them in more deals now right before we'd see a lot more It'd be SAP traditional SAP Oracle, you know kind of competes And a little bit of IBM Cognos now we're seeing them in a lot of end-to-end deals and what we're talking about It's not like IT deals. These are a line of business folks that say look I really need to change my shopping experience. What do you guys have we see other things like you know the fraud examples I didn't he was talking about those are hilarious. I mean those are real you see them in every place, right? I mean even with Obamacare right there's gonna be massive amounts of fraud They're gonna be places that people are gonna want to go in and figure out how to connect or correct those kind of things Yeah, so so seeing the use cases emerge. Yeah, and in particular let me last week in Dupworld it was financial services. You're talking risk. You're talking marketing.  What's your take on on Amazon these days? You know they are crushing it on so many different unbelievable right on four billion this year, maybe It's it's when you build a whole company which is basically on the premise of hey Let's get people to offset our cost structure from November 15th to January 1st I mean, it's pretty amazing what you can do. It's like everyone's covering for it And even more funny is like they're doing it in the physical world with distribution centers I don't know if we talked about this before but what's really interesting is they've got last-mile delivery UPS FedEx DHL Can't cat can't handle their capacity So now the ability from digital to physical goods they've got that and Bezos goes out and buys the post So he can make the post for example a national paper overnight again He can do home delivery things that they couldn't do before they can take digital ads bring that back in and so basically what they're doing on the cloud side They're also doing on the physical distribution side. It's amazing isn't it? They're almost they're pushing towards Sunday delivery, right US Postal Service going to five-day deliveries sort of the different directions Amazon Amazon's gonna be the postal service by the time they're done and we're all gonna subsidize it so So I gotta get your take on the the oracle early statement Larry Ellison said Were the iPhone for the data center that's his metaphor a couple a couple of Oracle open worlds ago Now you got open stack and though we kind of laugh at that but but Amazon is like the iPhone, you know, it's disruptive It's new it's emerging like Apple when it was coming out of the ashes with Steve Jobs Oracle I think trying to shoehorn in on the iPhone positioning But if open stack if everyone's open and you got Amazon here There is a plausible strategy scenario that says hey these guys can continue to To put the naysayers that on the side of the road as they march forward to the enterprise and be the iPhone They've turned the data center into an API. So so we got the data is they're lock-in, right? So this some lock-in Apple has lock-in So is that lock-in? What's your take on that scenario? You think it's you know in the open ecosystem world? They're all false open But you've been you've been a student of this for a long time, right and probably one of the things that you're seeing is that It's not about open versus closed. It's about ubiquity, right?  It's like, oh, they're the standard, right? It's like, okay, they're harmless Google was like open and now they're the evil empire, right? It just depends on the perception and the issue really is ubiquity Amazon's got ubiquity on its side It is pushing and they're winning the developers. They're winning the developers. They got the ecosystem. They got ubiquity They've got a cost structure. I mean, I don't know what else could go wrong They could get SLAs maybe and once that happens, I don't know what is Amazon's blind spot in me SLAs I think lumpy lumpy performance. No one wants lumpy, right? Who's got better public public cloud SLAs than Amazon? Well, I think about what he just said That's a public cloud statement not an Amazon. Let's crunch big data computation December 15th You tell me what those SLAs are. I want to know You better do that on premise I just don't think that people are Forecasting Amazon the enterprise properly and you just set up the Washington Post that is a left field move We can now look back and say okay That makes sense Amazon can continue to commoditize and disrupt and be innovative then shift and have some sort of on-prem play Oh, then it's over right then it then gets so they surrounded the castle But they really don't have a great on-prem play. They have no on-prem But they could they could get one. They could they wanted to but I think they want you But I think with them what they figured out was let's go build some cool public service get everyone else to subsidize our main offerings Right, it's basically ultimate shared service everyone subsidizing Amazon's destruction of their business, right? So if you're Macy's why the heck are you on Amazon, right? You know if you're competing with them, why the heck are you on Amazon? You're basically digging your own grave and paying them to do it It's amazing. I mean, that's that's the brilliance of this Netflix goes and they brag about it But the compute power is great. Okay, great, but you're subsidizing Amazon's for you know compute power So Ray great shot great great to have you here Congratulations on your event constellation research awesome successful event You just had last month on top folks in you doing a great job with your company And the end the day out today in the last word tell the folks What's happening with IBM? What do you expect to hear from them tomorrow? I know you're not gonna be in yet another thing You had to fly to but what is IBM with what's the trajectory coming out of this show for IBM? What's your analysis? I think the executives have figured out that the important audience here is really the line of business leaders and to figure out How to do a couple things one democratized decision-making the second thing figure out how they can actually make it easy to consume IBM at different Entry points, and I think the third thing is really how can we focus on improving data visualization graphics? I think you'll see something about that Ray Wang on the Cube Cube alumni tech athlete Entrepreneur new his new firm not new anymore. It's a couple years under his belt doing a great job But three years old three years old Congratulations, we'll be back day two tomorrow stay with us here exclusive coverage of IBM information I'm John Furrier with Dave Vellante. This is the Cube. 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Honorable Ministers of State for the External Affairs Ministry of the Republic of India, His Excellency the Secretary to Cabinet and Head of Civil Service of the Republic of Mauritius, Honorable Foreign Secretary of the Republic of India, Her Excellency the High Commissioner of India, Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my honor and privilege to welcome you all to today's event which is being held jointly through digital video conference between the Harilal Bagji Hall here in Portley and the office of the Prime Minister in Delhi. We have previously witnessed the inauguration of the Metro Express, the EMT hospital, and the new Supreme Court building through similar video conferencing. And today again, we have the honor of welcoming the Prime Ministers of both Mauritius and India to another event which attests to the strong and time-tested relations between Mauritius and India. At a time when every country is busy finding ways and means of fighting the COVID pandemic and its variants, India, led by Srinarendra Modiji, has lived up to the mantra of sub-Kassad, sub-Kavikas, sub-Kavishwas, coined by Srinarendra Modiji himself by reaching out and assisting all friendly developing countries. India's timeless shipments of vaccines to fight COVID helped save thousands of lives in Mauritius and elsewhere. It is said in the hit of the day that calamities are the touchstone on which true friendship is tested. Such a Mitra Ko Parakneke liye Vipattikaan Hikasauti Hoti Hain. And I must say that India has stood up by Mauritius at every moment in history when our country needed help. Today's function, the inauguration of 956 social housing units at Dagotia and Motaba, the laying of foundation stone of the civil service college at Redri and the solar PV form at Tamarin Falls in Orita is yet another example of the special ties that bind Mauritius and India. These projects are blessed with the personal leadership and commitment of Srinarendra Modiji. We are proud to welcome you virtually in our midst, sir. Before we proceed to inauguration by the two leaders, may I request the secretary to the cabinet and head of civil service as well as the high commissioner of India to Mauritius to come to stage for exchange of two agreements. The first is an agreement is a memorandum of understanding on high-impact community development projects extending Indian grant assistance for community projects in the field of education, health care, community development, women empowerment, disaster risk reduction, energy, et cetera, to the tune of $10 million amounting to about 400 million Mauritian rupees. The second agreement is a line of credit of $190 million for the metro project and other infrastructure projects. Thank you, Excellencies. Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, I now invite you to watch a short video presentation on the social housing units project under which 956 housing units have been constructed through a grant of $20 million and a line of credit of $25 million from the government of India. The two prime ministers will jointly inaugurate this in a short while. And the honorable prime minister also will hand over the keys of two houses symbolically. So let us first of all watch the video projection on this particular project. The first project being initiated with the help of the government of India is the Civil Service College. May I invite you to watch a video presentation on the state of the Arts Civil Service College, which will be constructed through a grant of $474 million US dollars amounting to 206 million Mauritian rupees from the government of India, and in which the government of Mauritius will inject an additional 190 million Mauritian rupees. The construction of the Civil Service College was signed during the state visit of the honorable prime minister, Praveen Jagannath, to India in 2017. The third project whose e-launching is being held today is a form project at Henrietta, solar form project, which will produce 14 gigawatt hour electricity annually. Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, let us watch a short video presentation on this project, which is being financed from a line of credit of $500 million US dollars from the Exim Bank of India. Excellencies, ladies and gentlemen, we have just watched three video presentations of projects undertaken with a financial assistance provided from the by the government of India. I now invite Honorable Praveen Kumar Jagannath, prime minister of the Republic of Mauritius, to the stage for the joint unveiling of the e-plug of the social housing unit project together with Manin Yashwini Narendra Modiji, prime minister of the Republic of India. So I request both prime ministers to press the button. So I request the prime minister of the Republic of Mauritius and the prime minister of the Republic of India to remain on stage for the unveiling of the e-plug of the civil service college. And the third e-plug, that of the solar PV form project, will now be unveiled by Praveen Kumar Jagannath and Narendra Modiji simultaneously. Thank you, Excellencies, but may I request the prime minister of Mauritius to remain on stage for the handing over of keys to two beneficiaries of social housing units. First, to Mrs. Lalitha Devi. And the second to Mr. Jean-Luc Trippier. I now have the pleasure of inviting the prime minister of Mauritius, Honorable Praveen Kumar Jagannath, to deliver his address. Excellency, Narendra Modiji, prime minister of the Republic of India. Excellency, Dr. Subramanyam Jayashankar, external affairs minister of India. Horrible ministers of state of the external affairs ministry of India. Horrible ministers of the Republic of Mauritius. Distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. Namaste. Shri Modiji, it is with immense pleasure and privilege that I welcome you to the virtual platform for the inauguration of the social housing units at Dagotir and Martaba. And the e-launch of the civil service college and the eight megawatt solar photovoltaic form project, which will contribute significantly to the development of Mauritius. At the outset, allow me to express my gratitude and that of the people of Mauritius to the government and people of India for the wide-ranging cooperation and technical and financial assistance provided to Mauritius over the years. We are so much delighted that our partnership and friendship have grown to new heights since you have become the prime minister of the Republic of India. Shri Modiji, the head he'll say. May I go? Or I'll key. So car. Cool. Then you have a dinner. Chai tea home. I would like to recall that this is the third time that we are having a virtual inauguration for projects launched with the assistance of the Indian government. In 2019, we jointly inaugurated the first phase of the Metro Express project and the new ENT hospital. And in 2020, the new Supreme Court building. Commercial operations of the Metro Express along the first segment of the rail corridor have been running since January 2020. The second and third phases of this flagship project of our two governments will be completed by the end of this year, and we are currently working on the fourth phase. The Metro Express has already proved its efficiency and gained popularity with the Mauritian public as a safe, fast, and green mode of transport. It is testimony to the vibrancy of the Mauritius India partnership, and we never cease to acknowledge that without the financial assistance of the government of India, this project would not have been implemented so fast. I have the privilege to inform you that to pay gratitude for India's support to the Metro Express project, my government has decided to name one of the major metro stations as Mahatma Gandhi Station. Likewise, the new ENT hospital is fully operational and provides state-of-the-art medical facilities to the people of Mauritius, being one of the foremost institutions used for the treatment of COVID-19 patients. The new Supreme Court is also fully functional in a more conducive environment. This modern infrastructure is equipped with adequate amenities and is enabling our judiciary to make the best use of innovative technologies for a more inclusive, effective, and efficient delivery of justice. Today, I am proud to say that this event demonstrates, once again, the very special and privileged relations between Mauritius and India. I would like to emphasize that, like the Metro Express, the implementation of these projects would not have been possible without the lines of credit and grants generously provided by the government of India. These, once again, illustrate the profound and continued commitment of India to the progress of Mauritius and the well-being of its people. India has always supported Mauritius for its progress. For this, the people of Mauritius will always be a part of India. Shri Modiji, adequate housing for families in various income groups is at the top of my government's agenda. We have pledged to alleviate the housing problem by building more houses and without losing sight on the need to provide other facilities, such as efficient transport services, linking people to jobs, schools, health, and other social amenities. The Dagotir and Martaba sites comprise 956 social housing units with all infrastructural and recreational facilities. This project has become a reality thanks to the generous grant of 20 million USD by the government of India and an additional sum of 25 million USD under the Indian line of credit. Moreover, with the setting up of the new social living development limited, we aim to build 12,000 housing units with all associated infrastructure, including social and recreational amenities which will facilitate the integration of the residents. Shri Modiji, the construction of the civil service college at Muka, is yet another testimony of the support of the government of India to enhance the skills of our human resources. Between 2015 and December 2021, the existing civil service college, Mauritius, has provided training to more than 50,000 public offices. The new college will allow us to step up our training program locally. I also wish to thank the government of India for the continued assistance provided to our citizens in capacity building in India. Thanks to the generous grant of 4.74 million USD by your government, we will implement the new civil service college project, which will cater for the training needs of the public sector at large, including state-owned enterprises, and also serve as regional center of excellence. The plan of the civil service college has been prepared by the Atal Bihari Bajpai Institute of Good Governance and Policy Analysis of India. This institution has also assisted in defining the training needs and strategy for the human resource development of the public sector in Mauritius. Trivodiji, the third project, concerns the setting up of an eight-megawatt solar photovoltaic farm at Tamarin Falls in Ajita. This is yet another key element in the promotion of our green energy initiative. The project comprises the design, supply, installation, testing, and commissioning of a solar photovoltaic farm of eight-megawatt capacity, which, once operational, will generate about 14 gigawatt hours of electricity annually and will contribute towards the national objective of attaining 60% renewable energy mix by 2030. We are very much committed to the development of this green initiative, finance and a line of credit of $500 million USD from the Exim Bank of India through the SBM Mauritius Infrastructure Development Company Limited and the SIC Development Company. In addition, there was an exchange of agreement a few moments ago, which again indicates the willingness of both our countries to forge closer links between us. These agreements relate to a line of credit of 190 million USD for Metro Express and other infrastructure projects and a memorandum of understanding on small development projects. Besides providing financial support for large and medium scale development projects, your government is also contributing towards the implementation of small community projects. The 400 million Mauritian rupees put at our disposal generously would contribute significantly to economic and social development and improvement of public welfare. Shri Bodhiji, I was looking forward to meeting you in the context of the vibrant Gujarat Global Summit, which has been postponed due to the COVID pandemic, which is affecting the whole world. I sincerely wish we can meet in the very near future to further consolidate our partnership and friendship. Mauritius will celebrate the commemoration of the 75th anniversary of the establishment of the diplomatic relations between our two countries next year. We will, of course, commemorate this landmark event with all the symbolism that it deserves. Shri Bodhiji, considering our strong historical and cultural ties and given the special bonds of friendship between the people of Mauritius and India, it is a great honor for me to invite you to make an official visit to Mauritius in November or December of this year for the grand inauguration of the full Metro Express service from Port Viz to Cupid and Roselle to Régis. We look forward to be honored by your presence once again. Long live the friendship between Mauritius and India, Bharat Mataku Abhivadan Kertahu, Jai Hind, Jai Mauritius, Dhanyavad. Thank you, Honorable Prime Minister. Indeed, the ties that bind Mauritius to India are deep-rooted, longstanding, and time-tested. Behind our request, the Prime Minister of the Republic of India, Shree Narendra Modi, to deliver his address. Namaste. Prime Minister of the Republic of Mauritius, the Honorable Parveen Kumar Jagannath, Excellencies, Bharat ke sabhi, 130 crore people ki orse, Mauritius ke sabhi, Bhai bheno ko, Namaskar, Vanjo, aur Thaipusam, Kaavadi ki shun kaam nahi. At the outset, I wish to recall the stellar contribution of the late Shree Aniruddha Jagannath to strengthen India-Mauritius ties. He was a visionary leader who was widely respected in India upon his passing. We had declared a day of national mourning in India. And our parliament had also paid homage to him. It was our privilege to honor him with the Padma Bivision Award in 2020. Unfortunately, the pandemic did not permit us to schedule the award ceremony during his lifetime. But we were honored by the presence of Lady Sarojini Jagannath in November last year to accept the award. This is the first bilateral event between our countries after his sad demise. And so, even as we celebrate it, another milestone. In our shared development journey, I also wish to express my deepest condolence to his family and to all the people of Mauritius. Excellencies, India and Mauritius are united by history, ancestry, culture, language, and the shared waters of the Indian Ocean. Today, our robust development partnership has emerged as a key pillar of our close ties. Mauritius is a prime example of India's approach to development partnership, which is based on the needs and priorities of our partners and respect their sovereignty. Praveenji, I fondly remember inaugurating with you the Metro Express Project, the new ENT hospital, and the new Supreme Court building. I'm delighted to know about the Metro's popularity, crossing the 5.6 millionth passenger mark. We look forward to supporting the further extension of the Metro. Under the $190 million line of credit agreement exchange today, it is also a matter of satisfaction and pride for us that the new ENT hospital has been instrumental in competing with COVID-19. In fact, our cooperation during the COVID pandemic has been extremely, one can say, exemplary. Under our vaccine-mitry program, Mauritius was one of the first countries we were able to sign COVID vaccine to. I'm happy that today Mauritius is among the few countries in the world to have fully vaccinated three-fourths of its population. Mauritius is also integral to our approach to the Indian Ocean. It was in Mauritius during my 2015 visit that I had outlined India's maritime cooperation vision of SAGAR, security and growth for all in the region. I'm glad that our bilateral cooperation, including in maritime security, had translated this vision into action. Despite the constraints of COVID, we were able to hand over a donor FRAP on lease and complete the short exhibit of the Mauritius Coast Guard ship, Barracuda. The deployment of equipment experts that contain the Vakasio oil spill was another example of our cooperation. To protect our SAG maritime heritage, Excellencies, today's event again demonstrates our SAG commitment to improving the lives of our people. Premindji, I'm happy to join you on the completion of the social housing project. We are particularly glad to be associated with this important effort to provide affordable houses to the common people of Mauritius. We are also initiating today two other projects that are critical to nation-building, a state-of-the-art civil service college that will help in skilling government efforts for Mauritius, continue progress, and the eight megawatt solar PV farm project, which will help mitigate the climate changes that Mauritius faces as an island country. In India, too, we are focusing on innovative approaches to civil service capacity building under our mission, Karma Yogi. We would be happy to share our experiences with the new civil service college. As we launch the eight megawatt solar PV farm, I recall the one sun, one world, one grid initiative, which was launched on the side lane of the COP26 meeting in Glasgow last year. It is an idea that I had put forth at the first assembly of the International Solar Alliance. In October 2018, this initiative will not only reduce carbon footprints and energy costs, but also open a new avenue for cooperation between different countries and regions. I hope that India and Mauritius can together create a shining example of such cooperation in solar energy. The agreement on small development projects that we are exchanging today will deliver high-impact projects at the community level across Mauritius. In the coming days, we will begin work on several important projects, such as the renal transplant unit, the forensic science laboratory, the national library and archives, the Mauritius Police Academy, and many others. I would like to reiterate today that India will always continue to stand by Mauritius. In its development journey, I wish all our Mauritius brothers and sisters a happy, healthy, and prosperous 2022. Viva Lamite, Antralaan E. Maurice, Bharat and Mauritius Maitri Amarrahe, Viva Maurice, Dahin. Thank you very much. Namaskar. Thank you, Shri Narendra Modiji, for the unflinching support the government of India, and especially you, Samanenya Pradhan Mantriji, have been extending to the people of Mauritius in all walks of life. Indeed, your actions are guided by the spirit of Vasudeva Kutumbakam, which views the whole world as one family. Thank you again for having kindly accepted to grace this function with your presence, together with your delegation from India. With these words, ladies and gentlemen, thank you all for your participation in this important event. Namaskar. Thank you. Dhaniawar.


So, in this session we are going to discuss the historical perspective regarding the development of social capital. The conceptual growth is basically, we have to understand because it is a new born concept and the research in this context is at initial stages that there are many different versions, there are many different definitions given by various philosophers regarding the concept of social capital. Because it is a really potential and promising concept, so therefore there is a great need to understand this concept. Because the literature on the subject grew at an almost two decades ago when there is a solid effort regarding the conceptual growth of this concept and in the intellectual history of the concept of social capital can be traced back to Karl Marx, then Darkheim, then Max Weber, they are the big names, those have tried to give the new concept regarding the social capital philosophy. Why we can say that these philosophers have contributed a lot when we are claiming that this is a new concept? Because they have their emphasis that the growth of a society, the growth of an individual, it is dependent on the growth of a culture and the economic status, that how people's standards of life can be forgotten when people focus on their economic growth, or along with that they can reach their culture, now how will the culture reach, with norms and values practice, but along with that, if the culture is so strong that it reaches that other people should follow it, then what is the need for that, for that we need collective effort. So after long disappearance of the concept, the concept of social capital was reinvented by the team of Canadian sociologists, in 1956 there was a lot of work around it, specifically the Canadian sociologists were focused on how to relate that with the modern time period, then definitely the social interaction theory came and then the urban life started to happen and along with that, why not the economic distribution, it should be studied that if the economic, the income distribution, if it is in a proper way, it should not be a focused class, in fact if it is distributed among people, then the ultimate outcome would be that all the people's lives would start to get better, so we can say that it is, this concept has a various dimension, it does not base on any specific dimension, and the concept has a lot of dimensions, so it becomes quite harder to have a single definition regarding that concept, then different authors they have tried to define social capital in their own perspective and in their own ways, but one, the contribution we have seen in the modern time period, that Francis Fukuyama's definition, where on one side he has a lot more of his philosophies on which there is a debate, but in the context of social capital, he said that if in people, people were not made part of the society collectively, then ultimately what will happen in the world, it will end in its phases, and within history there will be such a time period that it will be a revival, on new norms, on new traditions, so we can say that the concept of social capital has various phases, but within each phase, the common point we see, which is very interesting, is the concept of collective benefit, collective betterment, where philosophers give the name of democracy, where they give the name of the growth of society, but we are discussing this collective betterment under the concept of social capital.