You haven't seen anything on my second channel. I assume but we do like Mooler. Yeah, we do watch parties, but they're a little bit different We we essentially like cut them so that a lot of the clips from the actual thing are in there And then we animate them a bit so it zooms in and out Copyright coverage editing.  Yes, it'll be like a Seven eight hour video. Oh my god.  When I tell people you're like, oh, yeah, I see what you're like. I don't know if you know what I mean Seven eight hour video. I told you I've got three people including myself working full-time on this and we have done for the past Like month that we're still not done yet.  Well, I mean again I just don't know how he familiar you all my stuff. I my nickname is a long man for a reason All my videos are insane. I mean there's a long man and then there's There's that that's ridiculous. Yes, I agree. Oh, yeah, there we go. Yeah, that's true. I guess so Yeah, I always wondered with that like long form content like that that that's I always figured long form was like 10 minutes 20 minutes, but I mean, you know Yeah, like do you remember old youtuber dash star no Okay He was like one of the really OG Star Wars youtubers my buddy and he does Diablo content now But some of his videos are like 10 hours long. Yeah, well See that's the thing when I started my channel I was told by many people do not make long videos and I was like, but I have so much to say and I don't know Let YouTube's the place for it. If it is any way You know, I I want to make them longer, but I almost feel like and I think that's that's kind of the Direction I'm taking now, but I almost feel like I Don't know don't people get bored, but to be honest, they don't it's like they they're like, please I want you to keep talking and I'm like, oh, okay.  So it was fun when they clash. It's kind of vote of hands Do you guys like long form content or do you like short form content? So spam 1 if you like long form spam 2 if you like short do we go well, that's a good Yeah, that's that's fair. Yeah, that's fair. I think say yeah, all are your thoughts on the final fight of Kenobi I pretty much hate everything about Kenobi. I think the first episode was good. Well, that was vaguely positive about They would talk to you before about how we did a lot of speculation over on our side about like how We wanted this to happen one of this time one of this time the crazy potential the prequels have so much more story to be able to Tell us yeah, and then you see what they do and you're like, oh Okay, and then it makes you sort of angry at it and then you get the revist stuff and as far as I felt the The acting was on point. I thought the it was McGregor was giving it pretty much everything But um, yeah, it felt like a retread of a lot of stuff that we've done already It didn't feel like it was progressing anything and it made even less sense then then You know like a lot of people complain like oh if you don't he killed Anakin the end of return of revenge this death But like I think there's plenty reasons you can say for why that didn't happen But it's especially weird at the end of the Kenobi series like You'll leave him Again Yeah, I know Again. Yeah. Yeah, you know the whole thing was like, oh you feel sorry for that show was I made of actual long video last night, which probably come out tomorrow or something on How's Disney plus is just destroying Star Wars with their shows and not because it's just show format But because Disney plus show format is just so atrocious and ridiculously horrible that I feel like they just take You know what otherwise could be a two-episode season Or story and they just dilute it into this stretch it out like crazy eight episode twelve episode bullshit and Interject a whole bunch of fluff that we don't need and we don't care about like Riva for example Mm-hmm and People are like okay, and they just give them enough to like let's get to the point. Let's get to the point Let's get to the point you eventually get there and you're like, okay cool That was the season but I'd literally just wasted eight weeks when I could have had this probably if this was a movie Probably in half an hour a lot of it feels like bait and switch because they know what people want to see they're like It's the the order 66 scenes and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, and here's Riva and you're like was that Like she does this this this and then she gets stabbed and then she's alive and she's stabbed again, but she's a lot Right and and and the order 66 scenes. I Mean it wasn't anything really no all that spectacular You know they kind of used oh Ahmed best to you know, he's back now He's a Jedi awesome, you know redemption for his his hard time that he had in the prequels Which is great, but you know, we need more than that for the story Yeah, I don't understand that as a form of like it's like an apology. It's like might not give him a character Why why not continue with what like where did he go after that? That's what I guess what I'm saying is like the scenes we have of him He barely says anything and it's like you can have dialogue You can tell us what his history is somewhat and then you can of course follow him where he goes Nope, maybe we'll get that a season four. No, we're getting in a comic. No season four is gonna be a movie now apparently Okay, according to Zack Snyder Well, how do you feel about that? Way better way better. Hey, I Don't know what to expect anymore from what they're even up to I feel like they're not sure themselves of what they're doing I feel like season three was completely cobbled together Season three was a joke man. I don't know what happened How do you go from season one and two to season three? I was a distinct drop in execution is so rushed and I'm gonna be setting a whole storyline as well as for that.  What is the story dude? Do you love the ending where it's like they lived happily ever after I Mean, well, there's parts of that that I liked but I didn't I was just kind of Like that that's it this whole thing just Moff Gideon Yeah, without context you might be able to sort of make it work But obviously in the context of they separate they both got their different You know worlds to to travel and all this stuff and then you actually know they live together forever You're like, yeah, it's like all right. What you wanted to know. Yeah, there was something going on there I think you know, if they put Tony Gilroy Dave Floney John Favreau and Sam Whitworth as we said into a one project Don't have anyone meddle with it Yeah, he's with the right people in the right places. Why are they not bringing Sam Whitworth in I? Why are they just keeping him as?  They've got the right for that is gonna be right in the Avengers movies It's like you guys do you guys not want to make money then, but that's okay if you don't Well, I mean, it's just like the Rey movie coming out, you know, yeah this Obeyed Chinoy like doesn't seem like she really likes men to be honest a lot of people heard think that's not gonna happen What do you think that movie? I think it'll happen.  Speculating about that. I was like is John Boeiger on board with from back for that movie yet We even know he is apparently yeah Well, I mean, it would be nice after three movies if we could get a story for Finn.  Yeah, you know, oh dude I was pretty sold when TFA is seen did the whole like Bell sharks home trooper struck right to stay I was like this is Star Wars is doing something here. Okay. Yeah This is cool. This is really cool, but No, it's one of the direction, but you know, that's I always wonder what what was their thought process? And I just kind of came to the conclusion that there wasn't one Yeah, I mean this we've heard as much right like the the notes and ideas and pathways changed completely While crossing over the different creators, right? I'm in peg Daisy Ridley and a bunch of others have talked about the lineage of Ray changing all the time Yeah, which tells you everything, right? Like it had it had nothing to do with a meaningful story for here It was just which do you think the fans will be most interested by And like even the do you remember even the TLJ fans? They were really pissed off when they retconned it from nobody to Palpatine. Oh They were so pissed. They're really peeved. Yeah, the Raelos. Yeah Was it the Raelos? Well, I don't know what you call TLJ fans But those guys because they love the whole like a Jedi can come from nobody Even the most powerful one could come from nothing and have no training and all and it's like, okay And then of course they were like watch she's a Palpatine that ruins everything Yeah, no, it was wild dude when that movie came out I don't know if you got this but people started saying like this is the what we get when people like Molo would have their way I was like a rice Skywalker's Why would I like that? It's like well because Ray's no Palpatine. It's not what you wanted What I would have wanted was from Finn to have been a Student of Luke get his mind wiped and then when he's on that planet just just disoriented and then it comes to kind of and then we follow his story in his progression and we he you know Ray is trying to find Luke and then somehow Finn is with her and Luke sees Finn and like embraces him and Finn is like what is going on something they just couldn't do was Take him seriously No, he's got a seriously like harrowing backstory, but they just keep making it like fun adventurous Woo, and I think that that vibe is something that they thought they needed to have to have a successful like family adventure film everyone can watch But they seem to forget there's a lot of serious shit in the in the OT and the prequels Yeah, well, I think that's kind of the main issue is that they think they know what Star Wars is by just kind of Nostalgia baiting and You know they look at numbers and they're this and they were gonna have the galaxy's edge to be the original trilogy And then they thought well no we're gonna make so much money with the sequel trilogy So we're just gonna make it all sequel style. Yeah What what? Okay Yeah, no, I how's that working Oh Strophically from not good. Yeah, it's yeah reminds me of a game. I play everyone so I'll call dead by daylight It had Freddy Krueger in it. Yeah Every game and it's like Freddy Krueger Elm Street. Awesome You look at the model and it's based after the 2010 remake not based on Robert England's Freddy Krueger It's like yeah, everyone knows Freddy as Robert England's one everyone forgot the 2010 one Why using him? I was thinking myself like well, I probably have to That's probably the updated license It's probably like actual like rules in place that if you use the likeness you got to use the one that they're trying to make use of in like the Actual newest iterations cuz they can't have Robert anymore. He's way too old to be playing Character, he's not gonna be any more films. So there's any marketing purpose to it.  They don't want Ray No Yeah, but Ray's our newest girl and she's gonna get another movie like yeah, but nobody cares Well, they don't and that's their fault. It's not cuz she's a girl, but you know, hey Freddy Prince Junior will say that it's because we're sexist Yeah You know and you get all kinds of cope from like he's like we all have layer and it's like yeah, but you only like here cuz Not the main a Luke's main. Okay tolerate a woman if there's a man or something like that. Okay? There's a lot of cope. It's like you can never really get your way with those people, you know, you say one thing It's another thing. It's like, oh, but it's only because of this they just kind of discount whatever you say So yeah, well, yeah, the weight that you know rings around in neck is Ripley and Sarah Connor They're always the ones that get brought up because they're famously beloved They're the main characters at least somewhat in their series is and so it's like, you know What are you gonna say to that and the only response they have these days?  We wouldn't be happy No, but I mean that's the rhetoric that yeah these kinds of people want to push on us What did I say what did I see the other day when I announced that you and I were doing a stream I there was someone like, oh the two biggest grifters and so what is this this grifter word that people keep using it's just so Unoriginal at this point it is way That came to be because it's like this notion that we don't actually hate flash have issues with the current state of Style was we do it because it's good to make money from it, right? So you do wonder if they had access to some kind of machine that could tell them That we are being genuine.  I Mean, I don't get it when we have extensive discussions about some of the most minutia details and like you know favorite color of lightsaber and which of the Background aliens do you find the most interesting to look at is stuff like that It's like how could you listen to us talking about all this shit, and then you find I was like, oh, they're not listening at all They don't listen to any of our stuff No, they don't and there was a guy that Didn't watch why I'd say most of them don't watch any of the videos But they just kind of have a rhetoric around it to fit their narrative, but That's just the way it is. You kind of just have to get used to it Well, yeah, whatever those aren't the people like eight or two. So aren't the people to make videos for Yeah, I've definitely found that over time of being less and less interested in sort of Be on the defensive of your own I Instead just keep making stuff.  I've been doing this almost eight years and I Understand YouTube and Star Wars YouTube I would say as much as the next youtuber or more So it's like I know exactly what does bring in money and there is nothing that brings in more money than when Star Wars is really good. I When people are excited about Star Wars celebrate Star Wars, yeah Yeah, my biggest month was over 60 million views and that's when the Mandalorian season 2 came out The finale The so funny that month looking back on the history because we were we were in a bit of trouble He fat-wise because we were like the only people he is that who did not like season Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. I'm told you I'm way more down on Disney's right Yeah, I know you are I know you're I know you're yeah I know but it was like it was that month and then but then when Star Wars is not popping I mean It's not nearly the same No, there's a there's a dour aspect and I've talked about it with my other sort of co-hosts and different podcasts It's a part of our job is to try and turn that back into entertainment and camaraderie and sort of Community building because it's not somewhere you want to go. You don't want to go to just the place of well That's that we lost like no no no no like a way Celebrate the good stuff try and hope for the best in the future and then start to try and highlight some things that you know You're not as familiar with that are still good that are coming out now local to talk about the new Godzilla film. It's been Yeah, I keep hearing about this. I haven't seen it. I have not seen it either because they haven't released it in the UK yet But they will and I'll check it out Be fun. So what's the deal? They only made they only spent 15 million on this movie something like that I've heard the director has been saying that the reportings on the numbers are higher than he actually got and he wishes He got some of the things they've been reporting But at the same time obviously as you can imagine a film getting this level of praise at that scope of special effects And yet it's still like a tenth of what the average Disney movie costing Yeah, the boy in the heron is probably going to swipe away wish is gonna be interesting as well culturally speaking Disney and just eating everywhere Kind of feel like they almost inflate their movies just to write off stuff. It could be that Hard to say because you do wonder you watch some of these things. You're like, where's the money going? happening Yeah, literally like I with especially with Kenobi. I was like everything just looks so condensed When they fought in the quarry or whatever it was don't really cheap It did it felt like you know a fan film could be more expansive than that. Yeah weird So if you were to write the sequel trilogy, where would you start? Well, this would be interesting because I don't know how you're gonna feel about it But the one that we've ran a couple of times on you fab though the goal is that we were gonna take layer to a more hawkish place In terms of her control over the the new Republic and the crushing of what remains of the Empire sort of thing Try and get it so that she searches out and annihilate and at first it would be like big Sort of sex that are still planetary based or whatever. She's wiping them out and to find wars. It's a good fight You know as time goes on He starts crushing people have no chance And then she starts like maybe wiping out places that you're not even a hundred percent sure that they were really gonna Do anything anyway, but they are Empire or at least remnant Right, um Luke would probably be already working on they're building the Jedi backup I'm not sure we would sit on force ghosts and exactly who's gonna be available at what times that's a difficult one to balance We ain't you know not go in the direction of having like force ghosts that can actually hurt people that seems to be I would fuck everything up and then yeah We were thinking Han would be like a you know keep the role of general But he would be the one that would pick up first on how they might be going a bit too far Okay, I've always been interested in the is it Yu Zhang vong I forget exactly how to pronounce it. That's a bigger more evil force that can come in that binds the remains of the Empire with The Republic sounds like a cool storyline to run as well. Yeah But the the main thing I want is to desperately try and respect the three mains as best you can while also giving them something to Learn and change with right like I think that they would try and bring Luke back in using the power of the Jedi to sort of Politically gain a foothold and that he'd have to make a decision whether or not he wants to be Used that way Especially with the knowledge that he would gradually I quite that's the one thing Maybe I like from TLJ is that he started to learn about the prequel era and he's you know He's wondering about everything to do with the Jedi Not to become disenfranchised or fucking oboe level and everyone just a matter of like hmm Seems like they did make some mistakes and that's interesting. Yeah. How did they yeah? Yeah?  Oh my god, man You don't ever be in the cinema being like what am I watching who why dude? I I remember that scene too. I was like What is this? Didn't get it no It's the other film but what was that's that'll be interesting question because I've shared a couple times with people I came home and I was confused. I'd seen TLJ.  I remember one of them metal commander. He was like that that Snoke guy. He was cool And I was like, yeah sure why?  It's so like wow. I was like, okay, but like why Why is that interesting? He's like, oh I don't know. I guess cuz like a lot of you know, like the emperor you expect them to be There for the trilogy maybe or really powerful, but I guess he wasn't It was I remember this dead silence Okay, so anything else and it's like, yeah, you know the fight scenes I think they were pretty cool and you know as this conversation went on the three of us were like wait was this movie shit It was dude, I was the first one in the theater I was the last one to leave people literally the staff came in they were cleaning up the popcorn and mopping and stuff And I was literally sitting in my seat.  Just didn't get any of it and I was so confused because I was expecting something so different. I think we all were yeah, and It was kind of almost like that could have been the ninth film could have been the end but They literally had no place to go after that Rainer said he likes writing films that have ends Like and so I guess he forgot he was right I love that story. It's stupid Well, he said that yeah, he said he doesn't like writing films that have like open endings or you know lead into another film He wants to have his film have its ending.  I don't know if you know, but that's what's what Launched my channel was my TLJ video Was it?  No much I decided I was just I recorded me ranting and then I cut all up and I was like What visual should I use and I just chose a rotting watermelon? People didn't quite get it. Oh my god. It over the course of the video. It gradually gets more more rotted. It's like What do you mean by this? If you want Full levels of cope like you've never seen before you can watch my old The Last Jedi videos where I'm like guys There's a plan behind this. I know it.  Yeah But they did Me I if I did like a top 10 top 20 top 50 list of characters of my time favorites I'd be naming from all kinds of you know games films whatever have you all kinds of eras Luke would be in there I don't know how high he would be right after TLJ Realized that he was a lot higher than I thought he was because I Kept thinking about what they'd done and then I was like you rewatched the OT and I was like holy fuck. I'm angry I'm very angry right now. Damn right You know what I got an idea and chat you can let me know what you think about this, too. I Would love to have two hardcore Sequel fans Shills if you call them or call them that you're on the channel and it would be like a respectful two-on-two debate on The sequel trilogy prequel trilogy in Star Wars. I think that would be pretty entertaining Better find the right people I guess we would have to find the right people like probably probably people who like despise us and talk I was gonna say most sequel fans hate me Just people who absolutely hate us Chat I'm gonna leave it to you guys Go find the most toxic sequel fans you can Who absolutely despise Mahler and I and? Love the sequel trilogy with all their heart We would love to have them on the channel. I think it would make for great content It is hard to find people who like all three of the sequel. No, but you can find people who love, you know the last Jedi Yeah, definitely I say there's more love for the last Jedi now than there is for TFA and the Rise of Sky will put together like It was like everyone stopped caring about TFA because of the false promise and then the Rise of Sky won't hate anyway because if you like the last Jedi then you are a nuanced film Critic or whatever.   They never talk about the characters They only talk about the themes Let's think it's it's it's thought like having these conversations on my channel about Because I love like thematic through lines in a lot of my favorite stories But you can't just have them for example, you have like the shittiest film in the world But you have a character at the end announced isn't it great to be friends with people? You're like, okay, that doesn't mean that's the theme now like just because a character said it doesn't Like it, you know, you have Kylo say and let the past I kill it if you have to right? Yeah, basic read is that he's saying that and that's what the film does point of view is Read level 2 is no no no the film actually presents that he is wrong read level 3 is no That's what Ryan wanted to do, but the film kind of presents that he's correct It's like oh shit, okay What what do you think their argument is with Luke Skywalker because I assume you had a major problem with his Oh god the amount of Conversations I have to have with that so this is this has been said to be like the most respect you can give him Representative how you know the the legacy of Luke how he was known throughout the world of Star Wars Which is reflective of our world It was too much of a wait for the man himself and he couldn't take any Precused himself sort of thing until you know Ray comes there and reignites that spark within him And he does come through and he does embody the legend through saving them at the end on crate That's like the nicest possible way you could describe what happened, right? Not the truth though The the huge flaw in all of it is that he abandoned his family in the galaxy not something Luke would do what what about the truth It's not the truth like to say that a you know, he embodied Luke in that film is a lie It's not true. It's not it's not representative. And this is the thing you can have your opinions on film, but I mean You know you they do hit a stone wall with the whole like why would he have left his family to die? And they're like well because he was he was weak and it's like no no that doesn't work Doesn't work there. There are certain fundamental characteristics of certain people especially in media when you can see their lives There's certain actions. They can't take otherwise.  I think all sequel fans will eventually come to the same sort of explanation that Balan school came to Well that it was all cringe where he was talking about the truth of it like the idea. I miss The idea of it, but not the truth the weakness He's on to something with that yes, we've covered people that said in ten years time TLJ will be seen as good as Empire But well, I highly doubt that I highly doubt that as well It's still pretty hated and I would say the one thing that a TLJ fans can't deny You know they can die all day that it's a bad film, but they can't deny it destroys stars It sets stars on a path where it's fan-based completely splintered and the Disney had no idea how to solve the problem of the narrative They do deny that though This but it's in a shambles They haven't made a movie since Rise of Skywalker when they once upon a time told us to be one per year Right, but they do what every narcissist does and they put the blame on to us fans Instead of the film they put it on to what you guys are just toxic you're living in the past You know, I don't like Rise of Skywalker though. I know But I guess they'd say that we're the reason for why Rise of Skywalker is awaited We're the reason why Luke catches the lightsaber and Rise of Skywalker We're the reason why they rewrote the kamikaze to be one in a million Even though they show it happening again at the end of the film. Do you remember that? The background in space they show another hyperspace kamikaze working. It's over Endor I think Really?  Oh So it's a it's a two in a million. Yep. Oh Geez yeah, well Well, oh Here we go. There we go.  That's not clippable It comes to be like or do I mean that no cuz then they'll just chop things out and rearrange it The next step is just take jokes and say like look what they said very seriously in the stream. I definitely watched I Think I'm gonna just gonna make a video and say the most outlandish Cancelable things so that they hell have clips and they can just use them right the end be like they Yeah, I just want to make their lives easy Yeah, it works. Oh, no I'm people pleaser Geez So, where are we going from here Star Wars wise? I mean, did you see the new Mace Windu book? No, I haven't other those Engaged with in a decent level by fans You know what I actually found the books to be pretty good. Okay Like the new books some of them, but this new Mace Windu book it's essentially happening after Phantom Menace when Qui-Gon dies and Qui-Gon was Sort of like a hero to this planet, which was all sand and it got melted up and turned into glass Okay, and there were like warring factions on the planet And so now it's like Qui-Gon's dying wish to Mace for him to go back and save the people or something like that Could be good. I mean that Enough Yeah, it could be good, but you know, I'm I'm always now so skeptical and wary Well, no do the Mace Windu that applies to like every single thing that comes out these days I'm skeptical and wary of they'll do because yeah the future of Star Wars like your Yorkside for Tales of the Jedi I am using very super. I'm the bad batches on the way Yeah, but you know, it's fun, but it's not and that's something that I'm like Yeah, but I mean I like the characters and we got acolyte which is as far as I'm aware the one We should have the most concerned for and I think we should be the most concerned I was the most excited for acolyte of any other show, but because of let Leslie Hedlund's claims and just kind of the way she her energy shifts I'm very skeptical now and then skeleton crew which I think nobody's got any expectation for yet Could be amazing could be shit, but I will say the fact that that's our sort of selection and then on top of all of it Is a Rey movie? It just feels like Star Wars is completely. Oh, no So so right so apparently before the Rey movie is supposed to be the Mandalorian movie Right. So that's confirmed or is that rumor? Zack Snyder. I mean so, you know, it's a little better than a rumor, but Still a rumor well Still feels weird for Star Wars to be in this position right compared to because all the things we just ran through They don't feel particularly hype. They feel more so like Like okay, we're We're getting rations kind of thing. Yeah a little bit unless the thing if they're really good rations So then it can help be billed, but I don't know if we should expect that yet Marvel's in a similar position. They've got echo Which is a go about a character who was a spin-off character in another show that was essentially a spin-off show from another movie So it's just like but and then Agatha Hognos's TV show who was a witch cares about Agatha This is where I mean, I guess it's it's like oh, I don't care about I don't know. I'm Does anyone care about Agatha? No No, anybody actress somewhat but like no way You know, I'm not talking about the actress or it's like Do we care about the character? No, why aren't they doing another um, what's her face scarlet witch? Well, she'll be back as far as I'm aware.  Do you mean like another TV show about her? Yeah, sure. I'm just posting our stream on Instagram. I'm listening to the the main appeal I found from her in a TV show was actually the way that they styled it Like I don't know if you've watched it, but you know, they did yeah They went through generations of television which was really cool and most people agree like yeah I was like the best portion of it and then they went into like you'd standard Marvel Slop by the end where it's like giant lasers and explosions and everyone's flying around and Man, I was really enjoying like the character focused stuff with a matter of television Sort of tropes being laid on top and in between episodes they would have ads that were like generic and almost like classic Nostalgic in a way, but they would have little hints like Bounds the Iron Man suit or References to certain people who are really important in her life, and you'd be like what does that mean? What is that going you don't reminds me of TFA where you'd be like, oh man, this could be this this could be this It could mean this and there's just like no, she's just crazy. You know, okay. Yeah Yeah, oh No, Thomas we're gonna get to super chats, you know in a little bit So everyone send them in and we'll we'll address them all But um Yeah, we're still chatting Yeah, I don't know man I Truly hope that Star Wars is going to be because at the end of the day, you know and people have this rhetoric that we want Star Wars to fail Why oh I don't think oh I want all of it to be good It's such a you get this moment of being like I love storytelling man Oh One of the branches so I started a new channel called theories tales. I don't know if you saw I think I saw that you'd mentioned it Yeah Would you ever do something like that yourself like telling stories? Yeah, you just write your own stories and voice them Yeah, but the thing is I see my life and I plan ahead Significantly something that me and drink her like often have like jokes about back-and-forth because you know heal I'm up with an idea for a video Write it in like and record it and release it in the same day Meanwhile, I'm like okay this next six months will be my Ant-Man Quantamania video Then it plan out all the stages and then I try and account for additional things come in at the same time I've planned ahead for like I want to analyze a lot more films I want to go through a lot more that are made by people who aren't Considered shit And I want to try and break them down with the format that I've developed at this point And once I feel strong about understanding what I believe Works about stories and what doesn't you know and that I feel like I've tested the formula very well I'd like to start writing stories. Yeah Yeah, well, I think that'd be great. I think you know stories very well I would love to get together with you and create something Not for that channel, but just something unique. Oh, yeah make our own comic or own story I offer it to a lot of the different people I'm familiar with because I don't really do voice acting anymore. I used to about eight years ago ish You didn't send me anything.  So don't worry about it I offered is like a favor. I did bits of work for neurotic and some other stuff that they have but No, dude, if it's good, well, I'm gonna listen to it after this if it's good. I'm yeah, of course. You have a good voice So well, yeah, I just if you would give me lines and then what you want to hear I like doing auditions like that instead of just random stuff Yeah, no, I just wanted to see what people could do right off the bat without telling them too much of the story but essentially it's Okay Vader episode the Vader fan film is essentially a The Jedi are not the same that they used to be during the Republic. They're extremely Desperate at this point. So what you have is after order 66 mace went and he found a whole bunch of survivors padawans knights and masters and He brought them together and this is kind of like a last-ditch effort to For the Jedi to survive and to continue before they go extinct, you know, he doesn't know about Luke He doesn't know about Leia. He doesn't know about Yoda having survived or anything like that or Obi-Wan He just knows that Vader is alive and he suspects that that is most likely Anakin and That Palpatine is alive. So he gathers these Jedi who are extremely afraid extremely now angry They have nothing more to hold on to because they're you know, their masters have been killed by Anakin their padawans have been killed Their younglings having you know, so it's it's a really desperate time for them So their emotions they're like this is now when the Jedi are being really really tested To see how close can they stay in the Jedi philosophy and not cave and not break and some of them do some of them Do cave some of them do break especially when they come across Vader and they finally see him in the fan film and How is mace going to kind of not? Completely divulge into the darkness that is within him already, which is indicative of his purple lightsaber So these these Jedi some of them are calm and collected But they have breaking points because Vader knows how to really push buttons really well Anakin's really good at that. So how are they going to kind of? Traverse this emotional journey as they have to kill Vader, which is already extremely difficult, but he's now prodding them with emotional baggage and turmoil of what he did To their masters or their padawans or their knights and how he's just toying with them and It gets very difficult for Vader, but also gets extremely difficult for some of the Jedi.  It's it's like there is extreme There's extreme emotion. Yeah extreme acting extreme Like I want some Oscar-worthy shit with I want people to just let themselves go and I want it to really sell Because it's we're not so worried about the the facial movements because it's all animated so we can kind of do what we want Yeah, but when it comes to the voice it has to really sell has to really carry so You know if you can I haven't listened to yours, but if you can Kind of go along those lines and I can give you lines to I'll give you lines from the film. That's fine Do that I'll give it I'll give it a second go with If you give like a just a basic sort of maybe even age History of any kind. It's something like you can help get into it voice Well, it would kind of be like which Jedi do you want to play?  Yeah, you can talk about it after How do you solve the problem of like?  It's like a very deep British accent. It's hard to do What do you want to do?  He was a cool guy. Oh He lived like one of the best lives in terms of just events, you know He was so tall and he lived to be so old which is so rare Yeah, no, I'm glad he had a really full life and he got to meet Tolkien as well. That's awesome He did oh crazy. Yeah, and Tolkien gave him his blessing to play Gandalf And he was like I want to play Gandalf and then Peter Jax was like listen You know like you're more evil you just yeah, that's like no one could play Saruman better That may be Charles dad's but even that it probably just be 50-50, you know There's a couple of old guys out there could probably do it Nerd of the Rings just messaged me a couple days ago. He said he interviewed The guy who many people are saying could be a good stand-in for Ray Stevenson I Did a couple suggestions, but I'm sure which Graham McTavish. Oh, yeah And apparently he asked him in the interview like would you Play the role of Balan school and he's like I would love to So that's at least something. I mean yeah, I really like him. He was in House of the Dragon. I think right I Haven't seen House of the Dragon. Wow. Do you like Game of Thrones in here? I love Game of Thrones. Yeah I didn't watch it House of the Dragon season one's good. It'll be okay Don't worry a lot of people because I covered it with Specifically because Gary asked me to a neurotic. I didn't want to and I was like he was like, you know I'd like a hand reviewing it weekly and I was like, okay fine. Yeah, I'll do it for you. Yeah We watched like one episode and I'm like, yeah, watch three and I'm like, okay And then finally finish the season. I was like give me another season, please Was it woke trash woke trash? I mean it that's the that's the kind of thing that if if Gary says that it's great and recommends it I doubt that it would be considered that There's a particular scene and a character in it that A lot of people considered like hyper inspirational. It's the about a dad coming through for his family sort of thing It's okay. I don't want to spoil it, but I'd recommend it Sure. Yeah Okay season two is on the way Thoughts on the leaked and or season two trailer. I didn't know there was a leaked one Personally, I'm hyped season one is amazing more Cyril and his mom Well, you know if they know that that's the end of the story like they're gonna take it from where we left off to Rogue one and I imagine we're gonna get a lot of bigger events happening Wouldn't be surprised we get some cameos from bigger characters as well But obviously I'm I just want to see what happens to my favorites from that show in general I just want to see if he's still eating that cereal Don't know if he finished it Yeah, I think season two will be for me much more entertaining just with level of How far it jumps in time with the time jumps and then also the characters that I really liked the chronic So I really want to see him return. Yeah I want to see k2so again.  I don't know what to think about that It'll break screws and cereal.    That's that's happened Both both directions for me. We're so we'll take a line from me And I'm like what that's not what I and then vice versa I'll be set a clip or I'm like really that's what they said without, you know, realizing like you probably think there's a potential here That you're not hearing what they actually meant Yeah Try to be better about these days whenever someone in a super chat says something like, do you know a person you have Respectful said this really dumb thing. I'm like I'd have to hear it from them Exactly. Yeah, I can't I can't just you know You get a lot of that too. Oh, yeah, and you have to be careful with your, you know Of engagement with with communities because a lot of them are not there because you're there your fan They're there to stoke fumes and and take clips.  Oh, it's crazy. There's there's people like it I see in the subreddit sometimes where there'll be people who are posting and they'll do a thing like Hey, I can't believe this but like, you know, it's this person and this person. Are they fighting?   I Know dude, I know it's fucked. I don't get it.    Jeez Yeah, it's hard to instill that in a lot of people and this is a really Crazy sort of interesting thing right like when I had started out I just wanted to talk about media and stories because I I enjoy them and I do think they're important But the more time goes on the more I'm like man Feel like if we don't have Really strong stories about heroic characters doing the right thing It will like have a ripple effect eventually a lot of people won't be inspired or will be just be like Yeah, fuck it. I could steal stuff Yeah, I've had a lot of that man of especially with my comic videos and stuff There was a couple channels. There's this one kid in particular that would download my videos and then Like a write the script out or gets get the captions for it and he would just reread it in his voice in his voice in the same cadence In the same tone that I would read my script.  It's fine.   I'm assuming you have or like just had it sent to me I'm just like, oh, that's funny. Yeah But that you know everyone here watching If you guys ever want to upload clips of the streams of the podcast here me and Mahler or whoever feel free Absolutely feel free. That's just free marketing for me and it'll boost your channel or whatever your tiktok So yeah, go ahead making highlights and I'm always for it Man, if you want to do clips of Vader episode to Vader episode one Just link it back to me man. Just the Star Wars theory put a tag Star Wars theory Mahler or whatever. That's all That's all but yeah, go for it. I love that stuff. It's just easy marketing get things out there so Well, your next step be after a projects Episode three, yeah Preferably, I'd like to have you around as a Jedi that survives into episode three Wait, what me?  Oh, no Absolutely goes he's gonna do things in this film that nobody's seen it's it's I Gotta send you the script. It's a guy's a mean one, huh?  So he becomes extremely Volatile and like does these You're like considered cuz it makes a lot of sense to want to tell the stories for these characters Especially with how invested I imagine you'd be but have you considered like doing one for Rey to try and make her Enduring and interesting I haven't even thought of it I mean, she doesn't inspire a lot of passion, you know, well if we could change that People have asked me and drink it before like if you had control of a Rey movie What would you do and the first thoughts we both have is just like she's gonna go through a lot of shit Immediately need to make her You know But it's put her through something that's gonna be difficult for her which is actually difficult to generate because she's so powerful You wanna do something together what for Rey? Yeah I don't even know it's the kind of thing where um, you know when someone suggests you like Where do you take the story now theory after after episode nine? It's like do I have to can I just can I just yeah I still want to you know, even as a thought process. You're like I'd rather spend my brain cells on something else exactly To my favorite youtubers talking about Star Wars made my day Hello long man when Vader up to two drops can Mahler do a e-fap on it with Star Wars theory He can do an e-fap on it by himself. You can do it with me.  Yeah, I'm gonna do that too. Sure. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah Yeah, no, I'm down for people doing reactions or whatever they want. It's all good. I can't make money from it, but um, I Don't care if other people do I've been hearing about this the monologue about how so I haven't seen it though. Is it new or is this old? Let me try and find it the same people talking about it And I was like I remember there was one from ages ago. I think Oh, it's a day ago.   I think most people would agree it was Harrison Ford killed Han, but Okay Plenty of other things to be angry about at that point. Oh Jesus making the rounds everywhere. Oh The video is down everywhere all over YouTube. You can't even find it Oh, they like striking and stuff. Mm-hmm. Oh Wait, no diamond figs uploaded it. Hold on here. Oh, he's playing the piano and he's saying please everyone stop coming up to me Saying I killed Han Solo.  I don't know what he means by that. Maybe he's I think maybe would have made like I said Most people talk about Han Solo's death is just a that's the only way that Harrison Ford's gonna do the movie, right? Yeah Don't surprise me at all if Disney would have rather keep him alive at least for like two movies. It would have been good It would have been nice. Well, that's the thing.   This is horrible.  Are they split apart? What do you mean? Oh, no, oh Finn and Han see it in the sky right like that's right and JJ Abrams said yeah, this isn't a this isn't a science lesson This is a response to that.   It's the thing that a lot of people talk about Star Wars It's like an Urboros like eating itself becoming itself or celebrating itself. It's not actually telling stories It's like telling Star Wars. Yeah And he said like the point of the movie was to try and recapture all the feelings of watching the OT Like how about like making your own thing though And not you know, not your own thing as in you go off script entirely But your own thing is an actual story that we go. Hey, the sequels. They're awesome the prequels. They are whatever people think They are the OT they are whatever they but they are their things.  He doesn't even know what the hell is going on Like you guys didn't even give him any sort of update on anything to do with the last Jedi and Didn't Ryan have him like change the ending or something like that of Seven so much it's the And same when you like start to dig into it The thing you come away with of course is that it's all just slap-dash all over the place and nobody Completely nobody's trying to keep anything in a straight line A lot of people can just argue enough and then they can push the different things to happen I mean there's interesting that you notice is the the legacy characters being Han, Leia and Luke. They all come in at 40 minute intervals 40 minutes in the Han Solo comes in as an hour and 20 that Leia comes in and then there's two hours that Luke comes in It's very weird. It is very weird Feels mechanical like why would you do it that way and a lot of the reasoning they gave at the time but there's lots of others now is that Gotta give room for everyone to get invested in the new characters as if having old characters If the whole movie would make that impossible It literally it's the opposite way you have the new the old characters That you focus on and you have the new characters come in and you kind of have them as like supporting characters Yeah, because and then you get used to them like we watched the OT and then came away thinking man I don't really care about chewy or 3PO or R2-D2 Care about them at all because they were the main characters. That works.  They don't know anything They know nothing good right so the ending of the Force Awakens was originally supposed to have and you see this in the concept art the Luke lifting all of the stones and like massive boulders and like revolving them around and all this stuff and Ryan contact to JJ and he was like, hey, I need you to take that out because I don't want Well, hey, don't worry they gave that payoff to Ray and Rise of Sky will Chris Yeah, great We read this one. I'm well versed in the art of long man and love it Speaking of Kenobi. Have you all noticed Disney's weird hesitancy on using Williams tracks like the Imperial March? Well, it's probably expensive Yeah, I've not fully ever seen breakdowns of the choices they make for soundtrack They've been they've had some really weird choices in the schools sideways as a channel that tackled a lot of it Haven't seen it Like putting tracks in places that you're just like why the fuck would you use like Yoda's theme or Leia's theme in these Places and it seems haphazard to the point of just being like, yeah, but we like this song Like Plug-and-play Yeah, maybe not the best choice But you know, that's the thing is what we're facing is people who don't understand Star Wars that are now making Star Wars Oops Did Star Wars theory see the videos red letter media made about Obi-Wan some of the worst videos I've seen they keep saying how the fights in the show are better than the Mustafar battle in Revenge of the Sith Really? I don't watch their content.  That's their position. That's their foundation. Whenever it comes up That's the truth and they're talking about in Kenobi, you know, like ah Kenobi's got problems Yeah, but it actually did something for Obi-Wan's character. I'm like the prequels.   I can't even remember some of the quotes Maybe chat does but there was takes in that video the Me and rags are two of the hosts of from E-fab we're very fond of the channel and we had no fucking clue what they were talking about Yeah, well, yeah, I'm not I'm not you're not selling it I'm not I wouldn't recommend this Star Wars cover They're they're goofballs like you should watch their coverage of best of the worst That's when they watch really old bad movies and I've seen some of this stuff like they definitely have fun making their content But it's a little too sarcastic a little too What's the word when you think you know it all there a word for that? Know it all a lot of ways that we know that right Dick head I don't know oh, man. Yeah Thoughts on man of season four possibly being a movie instead of being a full season I think it could be better if it's boiled down and more concise. I don't really have faith in Lucasfilm though Yeah, I mean I have a video coming out on that tomorrow. I truly think that'll be better as a movie Thanks Rossi If you have Tarkin in any of your future Vader series Mauler would be perfect for the role similar accident at all He did a one You really like that I did I was trying to like give an option for dialogue at the beginning of TLJ I said if Tarkin were there instead of Hux kind of back and forth that they would have Oh and Talking how much more interesting it would be because Hux is a loser And yeah, I did a little impression of people like I was like, oh, you do nice. Let's hear it You being put on the spot you boss Hey, this guy put you on the said blame sj.  I'm the spy I am the spy.  He's I think I told you we were having this thing about like which of Which which are the characters in all of You know Star Wars sequels which which of them is like the most inconsistent everyone's picking like Luke or No, Kylo Nobody cared about him except maybe the actor which I feel kind of bad for Yeah, what dude his story in Colin Travaros was sick It's much more interesting. Yeah, way better. Well, I think the best Hux ever was was TFA This I feel like that's decent enough foundation to build something on. Yeah, did you read the duel of fate script? I go I read through like a bullet point highlights of what happens in it. Okay. Yeah, I went through the whole thing It was really good Really good much better than rise of Skywalker really. Ah, well, you know, that's that's a close one. It's a tough one What's up George? Thank You George Mahler and theory. Can you check out my Kenobi fan film? Sure at some point. So Sajid The Rey movie rumors is Finn will take on the Skywalker name as well And have two kids who are trained to be Two kids who are trained by Rey and and be the stars Yeah, okay That's one of those ones who just like whatever man if you Darren Mahler When will you finish your critique of the Force Awakens? There's no for-sure date on stuff like that. I work on it whenever I can but I've got so many other projects running at the same time that All the problem is new movie will come out and I'm like, oh, I want to talk about that I'll write a script for it and I'm like time to record the script then new movie comes out like oh everyone talk about that I'll write in a script for that There's the other one the thing is this is what I make like two hour long reviews.  It is heavily scripted Redrafted all the points are very very specific a lot of them will be setups for other payoffs a lot of them are like You know me trying to I do a redraft oftentimes to try and inject a lot of humor. I don't want to be too dry Wow, that's interesting Ever you watch one of these videos you'll be probably surprised in terms of just they're absurd again in terms of production Just for the amount of time it would obviously take to make them up I bet I bet dude my whole kind of thing, you know, so you said you were very planned out here on the on your channel I've dude. I haven't planned a video. I think ever There you go. I've been on the fly Yeah, everyone was eight years a real different. Yeah, I know I'd be so much more successful if I Planned stuff out, but I don't know. I just I don't I don't know it's worked Yeah, you know, but I I'd probably be much more time-efficient if I actually Planned things out properly really all for me because I drink I'll recommend that I be a bit more spontaneous and get things out faster in terms of You know, maybe don't script one time. Maybe just try and review a film off the head and stuff and simultaneously I do Stream ridiculous amount and I do talk about all the films. I see recently, you know So like in a sense I am doing that but also it's like maybe the worst of both worlds for some fans Well seems like people like content. So I'm what? Yeah Your chat if you guys can hit the like button that would really help to stream Push it out YouTube likes likes the more likes it has on a video and more pushes it out In my opinion Ray would have been the daughter of Luke and Mara No, I think Oh Like Ray is just a false start. She sounds like an idea that was you know, Luke But a girl and then we can't let her have any particular personality or traits Which is a really bad way to begin the foundations of a story You should instead be thinking like what kind of character would be really interesting to have in the world as it is right now Which you can obviously make Ray Don't How about You know how Plagueis and Palpatine. Did you read the Plagueis book? You didn't write No, so in there, you know the whole story about how Anakin was created. Yeah through the force, right? Yeah, through the force because Palpatine and Plagueis tried to manipulate the force to create the perfect evil entity And so the force was like ne so we're just gonna make this kid and so they made shme pregnant according to the book and What if now in turn The inverse happened, but they created like the perfect the force actually created like the perfect evil Entity because it had already created Anakin. That would have been kind of cool Yeah, it'd be fun to play with be like the chosen one. That's the dark side But fully evil because like people don't understand when Vader still turned into Vader George has said that was he's still the chosen one Yeah, that's his path so But I you know to be honest, I really liked the idea of Finn being a force sensitive Who was captured? by Kylo Ren or whoever and then mind-wiped and Just kept there for whatever reason and then eventually comes out of it and then finds his way back to Luke It's there's so much to reveal there that you can definitely lock, you know Yeah And you and Mauler Your thoughts on the future of Star Wars our dream is George back and Dave leading it We love the content much love to all fans Hey, what's going on I would say That's on future Star Wars I mean, it's not You know, I can only go on based on what we've had for what we might get and it's not looking great, but uh You know the more desperate Disney get be it with Star Wars or the MCU You hope that they pass the IP out to some more people that maybe they wouldn't normally and then some will get lucky And we'll hit someone who knows what they're doing right? And I'm I don't believe George will you know be coming back Those No, I don't think so at all I mean the very limited access that he just have to Star Wars is probably from Dave Saying hey look at this new project. I have or something or hey, why don't you come to set and Maybe he'll give his points and we'll kind of see them Emphasized through Dave Filoni, but beyond that No sadly They're going to eventually either run it into the ground or they're gonna hurt so much financially that they're going to be like Well, maybe it's time to change and we need to take a different approach to this So, you know, there's two different ways or they get bought. I don't see that happening really, but what do you think a new Star Wars game coming in March? Which one is this out out laws I don't know anything about it. It says a lot Yeah, it's not really the most exciting game, I don't think I Where do they go with Thrawn now that he's a blue yes, I've been reading the Thrawn books and he's so much better in them. I Really don't know where they're gonna go with Thrawn.  Yeah, we'd be in trouble for that because I'm assuming the next time we seen Thrawn It will be day for any written just got a lot of what day for any beliefs Thrawn should be Which is not what I think the fans would like Thrawn to be Well, hopefully they consult with Timothy's on quite a bit. Yeah, but you know even consulting with them that what does that mean, right? I mean if they don't listen. Yeah So happy to see you back with a Monday night Star Wars theory stream Loving your new form of content and wishing you the best moving forward. Hey, thanks, Jeremiah It's a really nice message. Thank you dude. Appreciate that Yeah, we I Want to get back on to regular Monday streams? I'm gonna put you on the spot.  Are you open to this? Like I was saying to you, I would prefer to test these stutters This is the problem. I the all the chat gonna light up about this I was on FNT recently and one of the comments was like, you know We kind of need to have Mueller as a host to this the fact is he's host of the six podcasts though Like a smart decision.   It's always really fun But this is why I'm like apprehensive about it because I don't want to screw you over I don't be like, oh, yeah, I'll do it and then just randomly be like Well, no, I'm fine with that I'm really flexible with that. I'm like, yeah, you know what some Mondays. I'm just I'm busy I got stuff going on. Well, or we could always like do it at like midnight my time I mean, there's a couple of ideas you could run for the channel I assume the something this comes your head Maybe is like rotating a bit like, you know, next week could be a new guest next week Perhaps that could be those guys that uh add on. Yeah, no. Oh, yeah, I love those guys but I really like to have a consistent guy that I Go back and forth with every week So, you know, I think the streams here wouldn't be very the F&T is like seven hours sometimes these streams or maybe be like Two three.  And I'll take the show from there. Well because I was actually gonna bring up to I meant to do it before We started but I probably can only do two hours today because I gotta get back to the Lord during stuff Possible. Yeah, that works Yeah, when Star Wars is slow these streams kind of only go for like two hours. Anyways, Gary's in chat By the way, I will say it's funny describing F&T as I can go up for as much as seven hours He's trying to get it down. Okay Four hours. That's pretty good. Yeah, these used to be sometimes these would be like six seven hours But that was only a few times but when a Star Wars show is out, but I feel like now it's just you know A couple hours and that's it. Good enough. But yeah, it's chat, you know spam one if you want to see Mahler here every week Bam two if you don't let's get some get some negatives in there You'll see if there's enough twos I guess it's just not meant to be Oh look at that. Oh well three. I'm sure that means that's Gary Gary's gonna be the new host Ask Mahler why Seer looks like a crackhead Who's Seer?  This is what happens when I have People influence my life because like everyone I've seen it in chat several times already. It's like if you see it Yeah, it's like no Dude, yeah, just give it a shot. They ignore the Ahsoka episodes, but you can always just go for the dooku ones Those ones are really good. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you gotta watch Clone Wars But what if I think it's time we can do that and you think then you think it's terrible And you have another thing to rip apart No way I'm gonna be able to do a whole set of videos on top of that as well I do a season each season each season of the Clone Wars Dissected long form it's only we could do that like I'll watch one for every week and we'll talk about it Yeah, it's like ten minutes. Yeah, so I'm down Jar Jar episode where he's just like four and over There are Jar Jar episodes where he finds like his love. I Mean why I should have seen it before obviously that's I am sold. Yeah Yeah, no, it's good dude. It's I think I Think you'll like it Some of the episodes I didn't like all of them, but you got me stuff in there. I'd like but yeah Yeah, for sure I'm a sequel fan.   I feel like I've been doing that a long time Yeah, I don't really need to follow suit. I feel like I've been doing that for many years, but yeah All the things you could if you have the chances be face-to-face. I guess Jesus I I'm currently listening to the audio of air to the Empire and unfortunately to me the whole trilogy is way more of a slog than I remember Cool concepts are frankly. It's dry. I'm really bummed Air the Empire is good, but but my god the wookiee scenes just made me want to freaking Put a pencil into my ears. Oh, no What happens in them? Oh God you didn't listen to the audio book. No, no. Oh, Jesus Yeah Yeah, it's when Leia goes to Kashyyyk and and she's also she's with the wookiee. I forgot his name She's like with the general The whole time the narrator is is it mark Thompson was it? Anyways, he's any line that is from a wookiee. He's like He wanted you to go to the store and then from There he told you to use the force Literally for like ten minutes. It'll just be lines of this wookiee, and I'm like I want to be like the room with it when he's doing it. You just sort of look up at it when he's finished be like Okay, that's fine. I can listen to this. Please. I sometimes I just fast-forwarded. I was like, no I can't do this. This is horrible. There's can't And it was it made the whole thing intolerable. I was just like Listen to some music or something But otherwise no, it was fine be beyond that it was okay Do you prefer Sebastian Shah Hayden Christiansen's Anakin's Force ghost or both? Both is fine, but I think Hayden Christensen simply because that reverts him back to His pure form before he turned My daughter 12 at the time stopped watching all Star Wars after the last Jedi what they did to Luke She wouldn't talk about it from it.  Absolutely. I mean I watched Star Wars and I was six Yeah, it's I fell in love with it, but Yeah, yeah, actually that probably would be exactly who we would need I'm surprised to see you two found Millground after Mahler doing an hour-long video dissecting theory on e-fab now It's the rest of the fans did if the rest of the fans did that and we covered your hours his dad video Well, I forgot the name of it, but you were talking about like our things go a while ago Because people obviously wanted us to check it out when they were like look theory is like, you know For lack of better terms because you know fucking hyperbolic everyone is it really he's not shilling anymore He's like angry.  Yeah, right I think I've ever I've been I've been labeled as someone who shills for Andal, right? It's like, that's just the language of the internet. It's just a language. Yeah, I know I know It's just funny Yeah, no, I don't whatever Mahler is free to say what he wants to say but at the end of the day when we come together and we Become friends we become friends, so I don't care I mean I've said on so many streams I way prefer building bridges and that we invite people all the time to e-fab who would just like know you disgusting horrible people We're not coming to you and it's like, okay, man Yeah, right along Yeah, I don't care and also, you know, it's the internet man. So many people have a preconceived notion of maybe based on their perception But I think you know there there is a complete difference between perception and the reality of someone and You know, that's you don't really get to know that until you talk to me, right? So yeah, I think usually goes the same for everybody But like I'm sure you still seen videos of people.  So Um Which Star Wars in the state that it is where do we go from here? Do we just invest in other contents? Just anime I mean you could but you could always just keep investing in one to six Yeah Yeah, I mean, you know, everyone's got room for all media One IP. Oh Many of options open Unfortunately, you can't rely on just needs to keep hanging you with the Star Wars flavored store Right. So theory you're not going to watch tales of the Jedi bad batch season three and and or season two Of course, I will. I'll be watching all the new Star Wars content, but I won't be talking about New stuff as much as I used to I'm gonna focus much more on the first six films and Kind of like behind-the-scenes crap And says you're here. I got your new saber. Thank you, dude I was just wondering if there's any way to know what number out of 50 that I got before it arrives Thank you may the force be with you. What number do you want? I can check with Kyber phonic before he ships it out, but no promises What if you let me know what number you want? Maybe I can make something happen It's typically first come first serve. So if you order early, then you know, that's the number you're gonna get What's up, Matic? Did you see Adam driver SNL monologue about yeah, right? Like the last Jedi in theory It is possible. We've got some regular guests on the EFAP who love Gil Jay and that okay We haven't even jailed them Season two trailer is leaked two months ago on YouTube really Yeah, I think I remember seeing it. It was like whatever convention they were at Go like a sneak preview thing which a couple of shots. I didn't recognize from season one So oh interesting, but it's still like miles away from complete. Did you see the acolyte trailer? That leak? Yes I'm not hype that Deny and hope for the best Yeah, the premise from the leaks seems interesting, but I really don't have much faith in headland after Interesting remarks Todd says well poop your mace Windu sounds an awful lot like my mace Windu in an Obi-Wan novel. I'm writing. Oh, well, hello there What My like thousand nicknames It's pronounced my name wrong and that ends up being a name people actually use by movie how do you get from Mollard and Ubschley? several months Telephone thing They should use CGI and archive footage of Christopher Lee is Count Dooku in a future Star Wars installment Huge fan of doing that We easily end up in the flash territory. I don't know if you saw that movie I didn't I didn't There's all these zombie people running around and all their clips from my famous moments playing just like put it away Yeah, Jesus What's up, Gregory? Thanks for the big super chat theory of long long theory stars men long logic war against theoretical storytelling Star grift star grift show Dude, I love that theory man founder of theory Mubtchal theorist of nitpicking long Phillips head versus the masonry squares theorem. I Like star grift. I'll grift is funny.  Hello long man when Vader two drops can Mollard do e-fap. Yes You'll be man again Star Wars and Mollard. Have you ever seen kung-fu hustle amazing action comedy that has a lot of old-school martial arts masters on it? A long time ago. Hello, and I was a kid. I think You're 30.  I already have I used to when I stream games on twitch in like 2015 16, but I've always preferred this is Let's do whatever I want sort of thing. You know, I don't I'm not like you I don't have to worry about looking hands just lay down or Yeah, I tend to do that while showing my face Did y'all know that nine num got akbar in the rise of Skywalker saw it on Wikipedia He gets blown up by palps lightning alongside.    They're like, oh Admiral ackbaugh Does anyone even know who that is by? Did you see what the actor actually was saying the voice actor was oh god, and then he got like Basic respect Baskin-Tuma literally literally is Whatever that's the problem though. That's why people don't respect Disney Star Wars is because they don't respect Star Wars Plainly put in the way they write the stories You know, it's it's almost criminal what they do because these characters are so freaking important to so many people Especially people who don't have much to grasp on to so it's like these characters are a beacon of hope It's like a religious sort of thing for them, especially Luke. Yeah, when you turn Luke into a Literally the everyday man who's lost hope.  He'll be back Yeah, that's what I thought too. I'm like, you know what you guys that was one of my theories actually is that he became So powerful that he can now go in between in the force and come back. This is on a journey It's how I felt about like the whole film everybody was so desperate to make it work because Ryan had fucked everything up It's like it's gotta be this right has to be this has to be this has to be all these over Then you watch the next one.  Oh god.  But the Dave Filoni movie I think will be like the first sequel trilogy in wall way Well, it's that the first thing after episode six, right, right? Well, we'll see Like is that you have a lot more faith in him than I do Yeah We'll see what happens when the Force Awakens came out I love the theory that Han killed himself with Kylo Saber so that Kylo wouldn't completely go to the dark side Welcoming everyone's opinions, but Never even thought of that I'm pretty sure he didn't try to do that, but I mean he looked kind of surprised He did. Yeah The factions I despise the most in Star Wars fandom are the and or sims EU purists KK RJ Apologists and the fandom menaceurs. What are both of yours? Anybody who's just intolerable of someone else's opinions, that's that's Yeah, they can come from any sort of section. It's the ones that Way too narrow-minded I guess You know, there's you try and say there's things to appreciate about every era of Star Wars someone larger aspect of the Force but There's also some stuff we just Hmm, and yeah, you get a lot of angry people I know the Andal people can be annoying. You people can be annoying equal people Prequel people anybody can be annoying. Yeah. Yeah, if you're annoying, you're annoying. Yep Simple as that Dave being higher up will kill Star Wars forever Okay, what's the alternative? Is that a good sort of response to that though? well No, but it's like in reality. What is our alternative? If they were one, would you then concede this to be true? Possibly depending on the alternative. Yeah, for sure because you know a couple people suggest and what what people suggest a A combination and then some other people There's even new blood Would you ever want to be in a position where you take a gamble a random creator instead of Dave Filoni? Why I feel like we've done that with so many of the projects That's true. We we've rolled snake eyes on a couple unfortunately Is there anyone that you like besides Tony Gilroy? So obviously I despise JJ and Ryan. I think they annihilated Star Wars Yes, I guess KK will be connected to that. Who else we got? I don't know like the directors and writers of John Fatt What do you think about him? His best work. I adore his worst work. I fucking hate and I think the Mandalorian has been like driven into the ground like he's He's I don't know what plans they had for him, but they seem to be gone And I think that a lot of people talk about the Mandalorian as a show For what they wanted but not what it is What we all wanted was the bounty hunter making his way and doing his missions But I think we really got that we got like one or two episodes. Maybe throughout the three Yeah, that's including fucking bogey bogey fat, but then Yeah, so if you talk about individual writers or directors that have worked on it outside of the big ones you know like a Even like Robert Rodriguez and stuff is like, I don't know who I would hand it to right now But Tony Gilroy probably would be the main one Bryce Dallas Howard Wasn't she the one behind Mando season one episode four that's like the first episode that I thought was trouble Three holes in love with that random lady and they can't defeat an ATSD. You know, they have a spaceship. Was that her pre-show Bryce Dallas Howard did that episode. Yeah Probably biased because I think she's so attractive. It's attractive.  Oh, yeah, that one. What is it? It's really good anti-sequel trilogy Is it positive about the sequel trilogy? No, no It rips it apart. Yeah, it was pretty good.  I'm about to watch the Gauntz game Giants Just got home. I asked theory and Josh this question in the past. Mauler.  Oh, yeah, that is maybe tomato That point that's like the general, but you know, you can go crazy in some directions Want spice things up? Like I said in a way that's not related to spice, I guess But I've never thought to answer the question what my perfect sandwiches Right now I'd say I'd be feeling a give me like a baguette you take some of the dough out put in some chicken with some pesto cheese lettuce tomato Salt Yeah, sure. Sounds good. What's the purpose of life Jane you're asking? No, we could probably Get on that on theory talks episode, but I think just fart around until you die What do you think's the most meaningful but shortest answer you could give to that? Self-love I suppose meaning Yeah, self-love and through self-love you find love in others and yeah, yeah Good Star Wars, you know canceled Disney Plus Our addition is still open. Yes, they're open for a few more months There's a story out there that Finn was going to be a Jedi and rise green Saber And that's why he was hyping the film up, but it was entirely removed in the cut. I don't think so I don't think that would have ever happened I doubt it great seeing y'all do these streams welcome Mahler enjoying my dinner at local Brewery we'll watch the rest of this later much love much love Ivan Have a good dinner Thrawn's not evil read the new tron Tron Trilogy Floney needs to work with Zon or I'm out Those is another aspect that sucks about throwing is he's not just incompetent he seems kind of like shit in terms of Basic character set of traits, you know, yeah, like like someone that I don't really care about whether or not he's intelligent Listen and understand KK story group is out there.  Halligad almost a year membership I want Mahler to watch the droid small general arc and Eviscerate those episodes those were the worst episodes in Clone Wars What do you think is true? I don't remember them. Oh, well, it's not a good start Is it?  I can skip this one I've heard people say that like we can provide a list and that's typically not how I do TV shows Like a skipping. Well, Disney Plus does a list which is pretty funny Like important episodes to watch or something like that but My two favorite youtubers together is always a good time thoughts on the current Vader comic since 2020 What they tried to do with the handmaidens and Vader could have been interesting. I stopped reading them I felt like they were just becoming a little too silly, but I can go back if you so wish Is that one punch, man? I haven't seen it. I want to see it Thrawn trilogy has good moments and provides good foundation for post return of the Jedi legends. It has long moments Slog moments that would not translate well for adaptation As long as they don't have wookiees talking, you know, I think I'm fine with it Wookiee racism going on here No, just the guy who was impersonating him as that was whoever the director was for that I mean that destroyed the book Mahler needs to show his face bad branding. What about a mask or something? I've gone this far when I True Would you ever show your face again? if it was like a need to or like a meetup Necessity, but I just You know because like the way EFAP works is none of the guests or hosts ever show their face Like we do it through discord and no cams in a sense like it's it's the Format of the podcast and that's like the primary thing I do on my day-to-day and then my videos I don't see the point and put in my face. Thanks. I want to put visuals there to move my points So that point I'm pretty much just don't need to Yeah, that makes sense By the way chat everyone watch right now if you want to go grab my merch I have a one day 10% off code. It's nerf herder and that'll run through midnight tonight Wait, let's give this one. Everyone talks up heir to the Empire, but I think the second book Dark Force Rising is the real goat Mahler if you want super well-written Luke read the Thrawn trilogy I'm sure it'd be a breath of fresh. You know the you didn't read it. I don't know. I haven't read any like This is the thing. I'm primarily a movie guy, and then I love Star Wars Right, you know the Star Wars films like a billion times over and then yeah kept track the TV shows But not even all the TV shows right like a yeah, it kind of goes the same for a lot of IPs. I follow A lot of you have recommended to you other than as I've talked to you about I played a couple of the games like I Know five or six Oh I picked up recently I didn't know this existed. Have you heard of this the heritage pack on Nintendo switch for Star Wars? Isn't that all the old games? Yeah, I didn't I thought it was like a meme or something that someone had made I'm just like wouldn't it be fun if we had this but actually exists and I bought it because of fuck yeah Gotta get all them And I play switch every once in a while be a coat all one and two Jedi Academy One and two then force unleashed for public commando Star Wars races all of that in one game Pretty cool. I want to go back and play Shadows of the Empire again Well, yeah, you ever played that one? No no, no, uh Oh, I mean once I played with battlefront one and two bounty hunter I think all the x-wing games where you like primarily played an x-word Excellent starfighter.  I didn't finish it when I was a kid and then I tried playing it again And then I It just keeps crapping out and then all my data got wiped nice Not play co-tour 2 on switch. It doesn't have the tsl rcm mod for sure There's a part of the problem is the people be like, oh, you got to play it this way this way So many games From the original six movies to do a movie on who would it be? Do cool for me Wait, perfect scenario is we get to actually have the uh the actor, right the actor. Yeah, uh palpatine young palpatine I like we both work with bad guys. I know they're more interesting What do you think they will do with reva she can't Get away with knowing about luke and anakin being vader. She literally got stabbed twice I think we can just ignore her. Is there any word officially on if she's alive? No Is that on purpose though? Of course Yeah I love how people just don't believe at all that cab bane is dead. It's like nobody's gonna believe you You could chop his head off and it would believe you. No, he's not dead, dude. He's he's very much alive Very much alive Saber 10 23 34 would be dope if not all good Let me see how like what number you actually got. Let me message Saber 66 a special one No, because there was only 50 Before I forget. Well, let me just take a picture of it and then that way I can Okay, cool I'll get that taken care of before you land enough. I'll see uh what I can do I'd tune into star grift mondays. I'm telling you that's going to be the name of our show now I'm completely honest. It's like, I don't know if I hit a better day than that one that would that's great star grift mondays, um Are you good for next monday or like an hour? Sure. I'll try and do two Okay, is this does this time work for you three o'clock? My time. Sure. Yeah. Well, it's uh, is that too late? It's around about 11 p.m. For me, which is not currently too late. So what time do you normally sleep? That's a really great question I don't actually have an answer for you. I sleep around five There's no Really convenient time for me to set any particular broadcasting.  Yeah, I gotta make uh, I gotta get my guy to make a logo for it and like an intro and everything What's up The star grift monday show you guys down for that star grift mondays Hey, maybe we maybe we got a new show now. We got a whole modeler to it And if he doesn't we cancel it.  There we go. That's how you go. What's up theory? I ordered the order 66 black friday hood Do you know when they will ship out? Also, will there be vaders fist in episode two? Yeah He takes his fist and he jams it That's what you meant by we're gonna see things we've never seen before. Yeah, dude, it's this power The mechanical well, I guess they're both mechanical, but um, yeah, um They should ship out you'll have it january or february depending when you ordered. Yeah, thanks for grabbing one because We're now going to be working on a varsity jackets, but that's for next fall So we'll probably have that going up in the summer.  Do you think mike flanagan would be a good choice for a star wars project? Especially if it were a horror movie. Yes, only for who'll coley isn't it? If it were him if we want him on something small scale Yeah Build it out Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I like flanagan's work I like for who as well Shirley riva has to die if they make ob season 2 She should have died a long time ago. She's been a bit alive in the first play Oh, I thank you satans.  You guys are two of my favorite voices to fall asleep, too Yeah Uh There are so many true fans who could write better star wars and feloni theory for instance joss Nolan or new blood directing could be great Well, joss isn't ever going to work again. Nolan's not going to touch star wars End for pole and then yeah at that point like I said, I I'm on board with random creators at this point. Just try Jesus Get some new blood Star Wars needs it Uh, what's drinker up to is he going to come next week as well? I mean But he's your guy. He's my guy. He's his guy. I don't think he's uh, he's a busy guy But yeah, if you if you invite me before we come If he's uh brave so here lies star wars 1977-2015 murdered by kathlin canyons in 2012 Remember for remember for 20 months. What's up julian? Would you decanonize the sequel trilogy? Yeah, that shit's gone. Yes Bye-bye. I used to say no, but you know what sequel fans are just so lovely to me that I That's why you decanonize I used to say no, there's people who like it There's a lot of people who really like the sequel trilogy. I wouldn't want to do that to them But you know what? There's such assholes to me and just you would you compromise and say it's a different timeline No, at this point, though.    No no bad dream even It's all gone. Yeah, I guess right Uh, you know, if they were nice to me, I'd stick with my old rhetoric of uh, yeah, no, there's people who like it But no, I'd kill for shout of the empire.  What are the origins of your rhetorical style? Do you have argument? Mentors or I guess the Jedi of this course Um, I've known about an e-fat before but like I was always invested in debate I was super early in school and then one of the bigger influences was the christopher hitchens I watched every debate of his I could find I found him to be hyper influential Possibly one of the greatest orators in human history. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to him and how he dismantled arguments Uh, incredible real shame. We lost him so early, but then um, another huge influence has told biscuit One was absolutely incredible on the side of integrity and sort of breaking down How things work and desperately trying to remain as objective as he could Do better the industry was a part of And uh, he died early as well um They probably all die early because of the stress of debating Fucking god, yeah. Um, I think both of them got hit by cancer. I can't remember where it was. Um, exactly for hitchens, but yeah, it's Uh, frustrating but uh, both of them are considered extreme influences on the way I try to work Uh long man in theory for star griff monday's sold. Yeah, let's do it star griff mondays every monday forever People loving this hearing that that's the name of the podcast Yeah star griff mondays. I just wait till I see the logo And the the little animation video that I'm gonna have made So cow, okay, we're pretty much at two hours, which is all the time mauler has it's the also the end of the super chats so This was a good kind of beginning introduction and you know, we're not going to hold mauler to it but so far he's down to do mondays so At least for an hour or two and we'll see you guys next monday here for star griff Episode zero star griff mondays episode zero. Yeah, uh three o'clock pacific time I'm open to making it earlier if you need to That's fine as it is for now.  It probably still worked for me Like something ridiculous, you know, I mean Okay Yeah, well if you ever need to switch around the time do like I'm I'm extremely flexible and extremely unprofessional in that sense or like whatever we just do what we want when we go That's all good All right, so guys leave a like on the video for this new team up and show that we got going on and uh, I hope you have a great day. We'll see you guys next week.