Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger, and welcome to Dare to Dream. Today's show features Vivienne Chavez, who is an Octurian ambassador, intergalactic teacher, author, speaker, creator of the Octurian Healing Arts Program and Octurian Energy Matrix Healing. She is also the host of the Infinite Star Connections podcast and the radio show Octurian Conversations. This show, Dare to Dream, won three Talk Radio Positive Change awards just recently. Also the COVR Award for Best Radio and Podcast Show. WELP Magazine named Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger, one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year, and it is high-ranking underself improvement in Apple podcasts. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane here in Access Consciousness. They do energy work all over the world.  I'm Debbie Daschinger. I am a media visibility specialist. I am a book writing coach and I meet with people from all over the world in a group twice a month on Zoom to help them take their book from the inception of the idea to completion and published. Also I run a company that takes your book to a guaranteed international best-selling status and boy are there a lot of people right now coming forward that I'm working with on their books. Interesting times. And finally, I show spiritual messengers how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts and get massive results. If you feel resonance with any of these things and you know you need to go a little further there, let me show you how. I've got a free gift, it's templates, it's videos and how-tos and it's fun. Let's get you more visibility. My gift to you, go to Debbie Daschinger.com slash gift. That's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R dot com slash gift. My guest Vivian Cheve is an interstellar being who ascended thousands of years ago. Her sole avatar essence has returned in a projected hybrid form as an emissary for the re-ascension timeline. Renowned for her advanced healing services, Vivian has conducted over 23,000 private sessions worldwide. As an oracle of Ucturus, her mission includes traveling from star system to star system to assist civilizations on the verge of evolutionary ascension process. She's a member of the Intergalactic Federation of Light and collaborates with star regency and interplanetary councils. Vivian speaks at conferences globally and she's interviewed on radio and on online summits. Vivian is featured in the multi-award-winning documentary, Extraordinary, The Revelation. And she's also featured in an upcoming documentary based on Craig Campobasso's book, The Extraterrestrial Species Almanac. If you'd like to learn more about Vivian, go to infinitehealingfromthestars.com. And with that, I welcome the amazing Vivian Cheve to dare to dream. It is so great to have you welcome. Thank you so much for the bee for this amazing introduction. It is such a joy to be with you and all your audience worldwide. Wow. What a great bio. And I think the line that stood out most to me was about you assisting beings, planets on the ascension timeline. Hello. Here we are, Humanity Earth. Are you working with us right now specifically to assist us in this process? Oh, absolutely to be. And in fact, and the fact that I am here physically in this human hybrid form, it's the choice I made a long time ago when the octarians on the star dedication that I represent, when we are starting to see that the Earth herself was going to enter the most higher probability of the ascension timeline. And we have to think about when you look at intergalactic perspective with arrays with thousands and thousands of years old, it's a very natural ability for us to be able to look at multitude of timelines and to understand which one will have the greatest alignment. So this is why I chose to be on the planet and we call it boots on the ground to really support directly and accelerate that most higher potential of the timeline that we're in right now. And to that, I must say that 2024 is especially more potent in that direction. I mean, just what your work, all the people you interview, the light workers, the star seat coming to the surface, becoming more aware of who they are, want to create more people asking more, what is my sole purpose? I'm here to serve. What else can I do? What else can I bring? And so, of course, we rejoice to see that, Debbie, because this is something that we've been guiding and supporting humanity for a very long time. And I would say even in the ancient civilization time, like the time of Babylonia, Lemuria, Atlantis, leading to ancient Egypt, leading to where we are today. So we've been involved, on aspect of us have been involved with the Earth ascension evolution for a very long time. And it's really empowering to see where we are today. And to look at the next three years, how much you are finally in that conjunction of really embodying and succeeding into your re-ascension return. It's a great return in that state, if that makes sense. Yes.  I feel the energy of that.  And all the places you're being asked to speak and featured and interviewed. And one, that shows me a great acceptance about this conversation. And two, the fact that somebody like you is more and more coming on the global stage, that's the energy I'm seeing. The world is hungry, but the world also needs this kind of direction during tremendous change, but also a lot of possibility. Very, very well said. In fact, that intertwined with the next point we want to share, is that the fact that, like you said, like talk about my star rising on a more global level, more recognized, there is more acceptance. There's more, even in the collective consciousness on the planet, there is a higher frequency or a stability in the frequency that we are maintaining consciously. And that allows us to be more face to face, more predominant, to be able to bring finally these layers of frequency that we've been wanting to do for a lot of time. I remember myself in my own journey, even 10 years ago, the team will say, my actual father would say, and look at where the conscious stages are. You're going to be either invisible or you're going to be simply rejected because your frequency or not, they're not ready for this. Now we're entering a stage where claiming I'm a star seed or when my mother was pregnant with me, my star group, added some DNA feature to help me to my mission would be considered as a form of hybrid or the star children of all generations. I see people even throughout Asia rising, asking, how can I be in oneness with a creator? How can I support that awakening process? I had recently a private session with a beautiful gentleman directly from China and his desire was to return in communion with creator source and was reaching out to us, how much we can help him more in that sense that we did a lot of soul coaching to help him understand the power that he carries in him and how it can really shift the synergy around him. So we're returning into asking different questions. We start to awaken these higher faculties, this higher state of presence, perceptions, understanding, and even embodiment that allow us now more and more and more as we move into the stage of the world to be able to bring in the next level of knowledge, support, guidance, reawakening of ancient connections, whether it's techniques, whether it's rediscovering the mechanism of your body template. We're finally in that point. So at the beginning of this new year, 2024, my dedication came and said, this is it. This is the year you've been waiting for. And I said, what do you mean? And they said, for many of you have been preparing for this for generations, you're finally entering that stage you are in that era. This is the beginning of it. You are finally arrived at that point. It is exciting at the same time. We do understand there's a lot of changes coming in. The old structures need to be transmuted on a multitude of levels. And that's going to require all of us to understand a much, much bigger divine design behind this restructuration, whether it's the medical field, education, eventually financial, you understand your government structures or authority figure and all of it. It's helping to accelerate something in your DNA that helps you to release yourself from perceiving unconsciously yourself, still as a slave race, or to be at the mercy of a higher authority, whether it's a new law or regulation by either the senator or government or the president of any structure put in place.  And that is part of the huge evolutionary process that we've been seeing over the last few years in particular. But now, as we're moving into the next three years, the triple gateway of acceleration is going to be even more potent. What do you mean by that? What's a triple gateway of acceleration? That sounds intense. I knew you would ask this question. This is why we put that keyword just in place. Good one. So you have to think about when we speak, we look at from our intergalactic perspective. So we evaluate and perceive time pretty much outside of your 3D than your time. So we're not, that would be talking about calendar years or prediction in time and space. We're looking at a movement. So 2024, vibrationally as a triple acceleration process, meaning that 24, 25, 26, create a triple corridor, if you would, of deep, profound metamorphosis changes, whether it's personal in yourself, collectively on the planet, or also within the body and the core of the motor guy herself, because the planet's shifting. So an example of this is when we went through at the end of 2023 to December shifting into January of 24, many people worldwide have felt almost like a contraction. There was a lot of disruption and health issue and moving and perching and things were very, very condensed. That's because you were shifting out of a paradigm that is overlapping into the next and you felt that crossing of the timeline, meaning the third dimensional timeline with the higher fifth dimensional ascension timeline and then moving beyond. So the timeline were in conjunction with each other. Think of it as when you have either a solar eclipse, when the sun is in alignment with the earth and the sun or the moon and you have different planet in conjunction, well, it will have a certain impact on you or on the electromagnetic field of the planet within your own body system, your chakra, your intuition, you may feel certain sometimes people feel that, well, I feel more like a burst of energy or I'm unable to sleep as well. So it is interesting. So one way or another when there is certain planetary conjunction or alignment in your solar system, it has an impact on all life on the planet, on the earth, one way or another. So that crossing of the timeline that we've been feeling so tightly at the end of 2023, especially moving into 2024, we're going to start to feel that that conjunction is clearing away. It's like when a solar eclipse is clearing, everything seems to come back to normal, but in reality, you still carry that new frequency or that changes in the field or that solar frequency that's been coming in, you still feel it, but it's toned down. So you become more normal, more organic, more natural. So we are shifting this way and it's going to create a catalyst of more conscious change and evolution. Yes, we are finally at that point. So trust in yourself, stay grounded, cultivate that connection with yourself. And it's all about stepping into your light as opposed to be contracted in fear and anxiety. Move back into your light, just breathe, say, I'm coming into a point of zero point of divine neutrality, reset. It's going to be important to reset along the way. So you stay in alignment instead of being thrown off balance, if that makes sense. First of all, I love the question that this gentleman you are working with asked, and you're framing it that even questions like this are changing. What an amazing question he wants to be more directly connected. Of course, he is, but I understand in this meat suit it can be weird. So beautiful, beautiful work and question.  And I know I'm feeling that I feel it. I'm so sensitive and I feel the energy. Then I can look at my life and go, wow, all these amazing opportunities are coming to me. And the drum beat just says, yes, just say, yes, just say, yes, just show up, you're being pointed. And then I've even added into the mix as though it's not enough and it is enough what's already come my way is following my joy. And you know, one of my great joys is shamanism. So I've already signed up for a 12-week course here and a weekend in May in Colorado. And there's all this. And I keep checking in because it's a lot, especially as a sensitive who does need some space sometimes. But I feel the rightness, if I can say that, the correctness of this alignment right now, I don't know, folks out there can relate, but I'm jumping on board and I'm saying, I'm saying, saying to joy, yes to hobbies, yes to where my heart is, my passion is, yes to speaking and doing things that are really visible that typically, you know, a part of me prefers not to do, but I'm saying yes. And do you see that energy for people and even more? To some degree, it will, and they'd be at the same time is each layer of joy of new potential opening. When you allow yourself to be very much an alignment and understand what is the purpose behind this potential or this opportunity. Because one thing we see moving more into is stepping out of some of the spiritual concept and start to become more the application or the embodiment of it. So there will be stepping stones, some form of technology where people will be drawn to, or like you said, your joys and shamanism or others will be more in terms of doing great work or working more into intensively as beautiful bridge of interconnection with the intergalactic communities. So every stepping stone or every role that we embody and we say yes to, it's really an invitation to also rediscovering what is also profoundly changing in you. In addition to be of service, in addition to be a part of this movement that is rising, rising more and more into our light, rising into rediscovering who we are. So it's wonderful to watch again from an intergalactic perspective, looking at the human race and to see like the rainbow rays, there's different spectrum of colors and then there's going to be, you know, different layers and different experiences. But we know that all of your rays, so to speak, eventually converge into a commonality and that is your pathway to finally return to your re-ascension. It's a great return in that sense. We've done this before multiple times and as many also on the planet who have returned, descended, retracted, go back to the ABCs and go, okay, now I can help you to show you what does it mean to go back from ABC and returning into a place of self-mastery. So take the time when all of you, everybody of course, take the time with each step that you say yes to, that you understand the purpose behind it and you can integrate that to create a new foundation. So it becomes stepping stone, right?  And so yes, in that sense, we can see that happening more and more. Yeah, I've never asked you this question. I met you many years ago and the moment I met you and it was on Zoom through somebody else and I was like, oh, she's different. And when you were introduced to me as an Arcturian hybrid, I went, uh-huh, yeah, she's totally meaning you Vivian, not totally from here. I get that. And I know one of the things I see in you and I bring this up because not all humans have this. You are so incredibly well-mannered, just gracious always. You reflect such beautiful things back to people. Um, you interact with people in such a, it's a divine way of being and it's rare because not, not a lot of humans have that. And so that brings me to my question. So that's just a beautiful observation about who you are and one of the many things I appreciate about you. But what is it like to be you? How are you different than humans as a hybrid? What is it like to be you that is different than us? Yeah, one empowering observation and compliment. I am so moved. Thank you so much, Vivian, to exhume yourself some grace into what you do and also uplifting everyone that you work with. So thank you so much for this. What is profoundly different about myself is it's something that people may comment about is the way we think, the way I think, the way I perceive reality, the way I even speak. So the mannerism that you're referring to is also very innate and of course you got polished more over time as I got to be more into my power, accepting the full spectrum of who I am and understanding that it is all safe to be among humans because at some point I felt, I'm not sure you have seemed to be a bit unpredictable. It can go either way. But now there's more stability. It allows a fuller aspect of integration of who I am. As in this lifetime, I have chosen to serve the prime creator as an advance into the galactic being, because that's what serves a greatest purpose for the time being. So these natural innate traits are very part of the Mediterranean nature. We are known as great diplomats, ambassadors. In fact, oftentimes we're being called upon us by either groups or federations or hierarchy or structured as endless of it. We're oftentimes called upon to be assigned to either a world or civilization or a group that is either in conflict or they are either a little bit in between or they step out of distortion or anything that needs assistance with. We oftentimes know ones who are going to be deployed or assist. And that can be also in the higher octave of creation. For example, we work with this beautiful race who primarily will vibrate on a seventh between seven and eight dimension. So for them retracting their frequency into a lower form, it's impossible for them. So we oftentimes we're going to be the bridge or the representative, the voice for that group communicating with other group who may be at a lower octave. So we're going to be the bridge in between. And that's an example of what we do. In addition to that, from a human perspective, and I must give credit to my human parents, is that I grew up also in a double French culture. And there is that also the meaning abilities. My mom always been very big on etiquettes, whether it's table mannerism, whether it's how to behave in public. I remember even as a child, I mean, I was maybe seven years old, my brother was five, and we will go to fancy expensive restaurant just as a treat once in a while and sitting down at a table with a very complex setting of silverware on the table and having the napkin on your lap and knowing exactly where to go and keeping my elbow off the tables and sitting on the chair being able to eat. And the other adults around would look at us going, there's a family with very young children and a very super expensive, well matter restaurant. And they're just sitting there and having a dinner like, like it's just a walk in the park on a Sunday afternoon. That's because we were also raised that way. So again, this is no coincidence why we chose this lineage for many reasons. This is only one of them. There's this combined of synergy of being taught on a human level, but also at a soul level because of who I am. It is profoundly a part of who we are as Arcturians.  We feel you. We are more than exchanging words and an uplifting conversation. We're exchanging a soul aspect with you. We can feel your energy. We want to, we're here to help to help you remember what is already in you and what we see as you. And then sometime we have to bring a little bit more of our serious part and going, hmm, okay, we have to recall. Let's, let's, let's reframe a few things. But overall, we have this, we emulate that, that presence, that love, that respect that is very natural because we understand the journey of Earth humans. We understand that this civilization has been manipulated over and over again.  There's so much more. And we rejoice to see you finally say yes. We're saying yes to the journey. We're here for this. I'm here to retake my power. And again, it's pretty part of who we are. Octurians, this is our essence. Thank you. That was not only beautiful, but really calming to listen to. And I can just imagine you as a little girl sitting at that restaurant and being so poised and mannered and calm. That's beautiful. And I like the connection that you brought up that the Octurians are the diplomats often called in. And, you know, of course, how perfect you would be born into a family that would nurture that aspect in you. Since you're a member of the Intergalactic Federation of Light, what role does the Intergalactic Federation of Light play in your work? And how do you collaborate with them, with the Star Regency, with the Interplanetary Councils? How does that, all of that show up for you? That's a fantastic question to be on a multiple level. So one of the things is to, because I, an aspect of me is here in this form, this physical form, I got to experience the frequency or what we call the dimensional experience of what being an Earth human, the changes on the planet, whether it's in the grid system, right in the planetary core, looking at the human template shifting, behavioral pattern, protocol of communications. So it's complex to be on this planet because being an Earth human, it's complex. You have a love protocol, you have core values, there's ethics in place, you know, when nobody can go to your house and take something in your fridge and leaves, I see you later, you're gonna go, whoa, whoa, who are you?  So there's some, there's a lot of protocol that are understood here, but for many of these other group consciousness, it is completely foreign. So, so we, part of my work, because of the experiences, the learning that even my group is having through my own planetary experiences, it helps us better redirect or make different suggestions, being able to reassess. So for example, one layer we work with is the spiritual hierarchy of the Earth, where it's overseen by masters. And so they understand the dynamic of the Earth, we can, we can have a more understood, more harmonized language. When we move into certain interplanetary counsel, they may say, well, in our reality, all of you talk about the human emotion, the protocol of communication, how to approach a human without overstimulating their immune system or the nervous systems. They have no really understanding of what it means. So we're, we're teaching them, we're, we're teaching them what it feels like to move to different vibrational experience. And that's how we call it. And so my role is really both, as at the same time, I will talk on behalf of the Earth, I will talk about, you know, on behalf of humanity, what I see, where the other stars see coming and the other frequency. And so when we come back, and we interact with these other groups, it gives, in simple terms, a bigger picture, a better understood picture to what kind of assistance, what is needed. One needs to be released, one needs to be intervened. And, and I'll give two examples about intervention. A few years ago, when I was in a conference in Laughlin, something happened. I was a group of, let's say, from the dark light polarity was on site at the conference, and it creates severe interference. So this is why I went into urgency, we need to have a council, a meeting right away, we need to intervene, there's interference at that place, and be above and beyond, and meeting on many levels. And so long story short, we discovered that this group who was clearing distortion at a conference was in violation of a treaty. So this is why we brought it to an aspect of the council, because there's a multitude, it's very complex, but we brought it, and then there's an intervention, and then this group was extracted completely off-planet from that place, and we were able to implement different measurements. But that helps tremendously in my work, but also in the timeline of Earth herself, because I was a really big one, and I'm super simplifying what happened is much more to it, but it's the treaty violation and my point is that's one aspect of it. The other aspect is I also seen in the past, coaching some of these intergalactic groups who connect with human beings as chandlers, and it's done by soul connection, soul agreements, and all of this, and it's all nice and dandy. The issue with that is that the human template is designed in a certain way. So imagining like a funnel, if you want to push down too much frequency of energy to the point that your funnel or can break or it will create a massive blockage. So we have to teach or to coach this group to says, look, you mean well, you want to transfer information, frequency into the vessel of this channel, but at the same time as a potential that you may disrupt their immune system, the nervous system, and you can create even on the brain level some kind of distortion. And I have seen clients coming to me say, oh, I've been channeling this high console for years. And my health has nothing at all of the issue in cup to find out that the body could no longer hold the increasing in frequency. So again, it was too much coming into the body. So we have to work with the person channel, and with the group that channeling from. So both aspect can be an harmony again. So that's another example of how it affects the work here. What kind of projects or initiatives are the Federation currently focused on? It depends on what branch, because it's like, think of it this way. If you look at a very elaborate government structure here from any country, and you will see, well, if I want to go into more diplomatic initiative, you will have a branch that will be assigned to this. If you want to go higher to says, okay, beyond the diplomacy, we need to implement, let's say, a new agreement, or we have to intervene when there's a treaty violation or when a planet is finally in the midst of a huge planetary change, then there will be more specialized group within that structure that will be realigned to this. So we work a lot in conjunction with what we call the Council of Time. We usually have two Guardians of Time, when it pertains to timeline changes, then we're going to be going in that direction. Or right now, we can see that on the DNA level, the genetic DNA level of human body is shifting. So we can work with the aspect of the branch that is more in tune, whether it's the ancient library for the human template with the livens, for example, or other groups. So it really depends on what is it, because when you talk about the word federation, it's a big label. It's a big umbrella, not label, it's a big umbrella. And that umbrella has a multitude of purposes, directions, more and more universal. Others will be more cosmic, other will be more okay, we're going to be assigned to a certain planet like the Earth in a solar system. That's part of the little branch in the Milky Way. This is the Council being assigned for this. Others will overseas more on the creation level. So there's a multitude of branches, so to speak, if that makes sense to visualize it this way. Yeah, absolutely. So interesting about the time and the timeline. And when you mention that the genetics of humans is changing, can you say specifically in what way? Well, for example, like we talked about is about stepping out of the slavery program or be a hard worker on these cliches of work hard, and then you have your reward or you'll have to be able to earn a vacation. That's part of a gene that was incorporated into the DNA a long time ago to be better docile workers. Was that something can I just interrupt? Was that something the Anunnaki did to us? It's part of it. Interesting. It's part of it. It really is not the only one, but yes, it's part of it. So that's an example of that gene that is transmuting. So you no longer intuitively or unconsciously afraid of a higher authority or the programming to listening to your church or religion or a book or a government or an institution. So this is all part of an aspect of what we see into the DNA template that is shifting. There's a reactivation, there's a transportation that is done. And that's also to supporting all of you to realize what is your own reassention process going to look like or even feel like. So there's an individual process into it because not everyone on the same state of consciousness. At the same time, there's a global more planetary shift in adoration as well. Remember, you are part of the symbolic part of the earth. You're living in a symbolic aspect with the ecosystem of a planet you call the earth from other Gaia. So when there's changes and that ecosystem, it's reflecting it to your own internal ecosystem. Wow, that's like a pause. That's very good. Thank you. That's like a deep breath. It is. It's like to ingest that information. That's incredible. And I love this deep connection and reflection with Mother Earth. So much I could say about that. It's very big for me right now with this connection. I spend a lot of time there. I want to talk about a synchronicity, make a little segue here. Because in December, I was looking for gifts for my partner and I just wanted one little sort of a stocking stuffer. And I found Craig Campobasso's book, The Extraterrestrial Species Almanac. What an amazing title, right? And I was like, all right, I'm in. That's something I'm going to get him. And then I find out in January that you are in his Craig's documentary film by the same title, The Extraterrestrial Species Almanac, which I'm so excited about. Can you provide Vivian a sneak peek into this upcoming documentary? Love it with a capital L. And I want to feel the presence of Pacha Mama, Gaia as we speak. So a sneak peek would be based on my experience. I'm really thrilled. I mean, super thrilled and honored. And Greg brought me in beginning with the book itself when he asked me, Vivian, would you make a contribution to the octurion section? And I'd say, of course gladly. So we provide a contribution that was blend into other things. And then my name is in the glossary, so to speak, as a contributor. And I was already happy with that. But when the time came to turn the Almanac into a documentary, then his beautiful production company based in Germany contacted me and all of us on zoom, we did a series of interviews. And that's that's a few years back. It's at least two years ago. And so the octurion came and we'd have a dialogue with them. And everybody was so happy about it. And so two more years pass. And then about a week or so ago, Craig himself called me up on my cell phone, because he has my private number, of course. And he says, Vivian, the documentary is fully ready to be launched. Plus, we're going to have the world premiere or the official screening at Contact and the Desert this year. At the end of May, we're going to be on Saturday, June 1. And we're going to do afterwards an exclusive Q&A panel with the cast and crew. And of course, we want you to be part of it. So of course, I said yes, and I will be back at contact for the purpose of supporting Craig and the documentary. But now if you look at the significance of this documentary coming up right in June energy, right, almost in the midpoint of 2024, it's really about bringing another higher, more positive orientation about our star communities. It's about reopening these doorways freely. We completely read, it's a revolution of the word disclosure, because there's no longer about disclosure. It's about re accepting that paradigm that even co exists in your DNA to begin with. So imagining how many beautiful people will be in this documentary, including us, speaking from the heart, speaking from as representative and emissaries of these multitude of intergalactic groups, and to bring the next level of knowledge and activating, helping everybody to awaken finally with acceptance that this is a natural natural occurrence. And it's been right. Yes, I'm so excited to hear you say all of this, and to even tie all of this positivity and what's coming and what is here into this documentary. It's unveiling. It's official unveiling a contact in the desert, June of this year. I'll be there, folks, join us at the Coachella Valley. It's an amazing event. And then so I want to ask a question based on when you talk about the cosmos and our connection, Vivian, how will, from this moment forward, how will our star brothers and star sisters powerfully play a role in new humanity, in the new earth? How are they going to show up? What will they do? They have been doing their work for a very long time. Look how many of their representatives or their emissaries, they are selflessly sending out to the planet to take on human form, be born, go through the bend of forgetfulness, go back to the ABCs of learning how to walk, talk, read, go to school. And who knows, when you think about high school, you go first circuit.  We are the star seats of everywhere. So think of it as powerful anchor point of very specific frequencies that have been contributing for generation into bringing finally the consciousness in a new alignment, to be accepted, to be ridiculed, to be thrown stone at, to be embraced with love and all of the spectrum of colors and dealing with the emotional aspect of humans. OMG.  Whoa. I try, I attempted to explain that to the Federation and other group and you go emotions. No, no, I said not just emotion. It's human emotion, the complexity and that just that experience alone. So that is simply a strengthening of what has been going on for centuries. We're simply finally realign yourself when you look in the stars, you're looking just a bright stars hoping to see a little duck in the sky to see a ship and power up. Think of it as you communicating to higher consciousness, who wants to connect with you to the higher consciousness back to you. Now, with the discernment that there are groups who have other intentions, there are groups who exist, not just in the positive enlightenment spectrum, they exist into the opposite spectrum, where to them to come to you take what they want and leave is no big deal, because they don't have the same morality frame as you. To them, they're entitled to do that. And we encounter them, believe me, we have those aspects. So it's more of a rejoice, rejoiceful, reconditioned reunion in mastery and intelligence, in certainty in your light to know that you are part of this, but you understand that as there are diversity of light and on life here on the planet, imagine the diversity of life and consciousness in the universe. So get to know that point of connection, what we call your soul ancestry, ask I am really revealed to me what part of my soul ancestry belong to the intergalactic groups. What aspect do I represent in this lifetime? And how is it serving my sacred life mission here? And you will see that if you start to speak this way, and you are listening, you're receptive to the answer, you'll be amazed to what really come to you. It's no longer a big secret anymore. It is available to all of us, and it's beyond having spaceship landing on the lawn or in the mountain. We pass that it's more consciousness reconnecting with consciousness. Oh, what a great answer that was so unexpected. And I loved every second of that, to bring it back to us. Right, we are already that. And it is a very interesting, oftentimes difficult, wonderful, wild experience to be a human in this incarnation. Every morning when I do my practice, which includes Mother Earth, I always call to my galactic family. And I ask them, you know, guide me on my path. And I also, I have to say this, because it's important to me, I always say, those who are benevolent and of the light, because I don't want anyone else answering that call to your point. And I invite them to guide me to give me their wisdom, to, you know, awaken inside of me, who I really am, what I really am, all of it. I long for it, actually. And they've come to me in my dreams so far, which has been gorgeous, wonderful. And I long for even more.  And I know you are coming up going to be a Conscious Life Expo, big year for you.  Folks, the link so you can get tickets is in the show notes. So be sure to join us there February 9th through the 12th at the Los Angeles LAX Hilton Hotel. So what are you going to be speaking about Vivienne? Well, thank you for asking. First, I'm excited to be on a panel called E.T. Origin and you're the beautiful host. It's going to be amazing to explore aspect of this. I'm also on the panel called the panel of ascension on Sunday evening, host by Deborah Giusti, also another powerful lady in the community and the ascension tips. I'm going to be speaking my keynote workshop this year. It's about the octurine journey to sacred sites. I'm going to prepare a very beautiful PowerPoint presentation, pictures of different sacred sites that we went to. Well, at the same time, it's going to be a journey with the octurine, our interpretation of how these sites represent, how it interconnect to you today and how it also contribute to the next level of movement changes on the planet. We're going to do some activations. We always are a blend of sharing knowledge, experience, and you can also get these activation and keep those seeds of activation in you to supporting you as gifts moving forward. The workshop, it's one of them. And then I have a lecture on it's called shifting into a more fifth dimensional universal time matrix, which is more based about understanding truly the dynamics behind the cosmic human template changes because we need to have that sole body connection and how your human template is really shifting. Again, activations experiential, you will feel probably the frequencies, the presence of my delegation, and it's always such a joy to be in your presence. So make sure you come and see us. And we have a boot as well on the Mizanin level. So M71, this is our boot with my husband, Peter, representing the Angelic Crem working with Tansor technology in this wonderful energy tool that are completely and crafted and very, very energetic. So come see us. We'll be there the whole weekend. And I have joked with Vivian before that I'm going to be taking over her international fan club. It's definitely international. I mean, it's amazing when I was in Mexico City there to speak and somebody, a couple I've never met before from somewhere else in the United States, another speaker just knew that you were on the roster to speak. You were going to be in the big main room. And he got so excited. He got so excited that I knew you. I couldn't believe beautiful people who really know your work he and his wife. And it was so gorgeous to sit in that main room. It was a huge room to watch all these people show up to watch you on the screen, to deliver your presentation. And then however many months later, I'm in Italy. Like these have no connection. I'm in Italy in an ashram. I just went there to heal. And there's this amazing 28 year old gal from Amsterdam. And somehow she brings up your name. Oh yeah, do you follow her? I listened to all of Vivian Chavez, Zooms and information, a workshop she does. And I'm like, yeah, you want to text her. And it's kind of a joy for me to connect people with you because they walk away like plus of course, because of your demeanor, you're so gracious and so beautiful with people. They're like, it means everything to them. So globally, I know folks are knowing about you. People go to her website. Again, it's infinite healing from the stars.com. There's so much there, her radio show, her podcast, her workshops, speaking in many places where you can attend. And I want to ask you Vivian, what do you next dare to dream? This is dare to dream. What are your future goals, visions? Oh, I do have a really big dream slash goal and vision. In fact, on the etheric level, it already exists. Well, I have to be a little bit more patient to get a little bit higher of stabilization on the planet to happen. My ultimate goal and dream will be to teach worldwide in opening my own academy that will bring in the next level of direct teaching, training, but directly with the secret art of the real aspect of the auctorians like never before. And there's some aspect of the training I'm getting already right now. And it's going to be directly linked to our own archives and thousands of years of expertise, but it has to be done and brought in a certain way. That's because this is part of the future timeline. And this is truly what I'm here for. I'm here for that future timeline. So it's almost like, you know, like you have this huge conference and you have all these beautiful guests coming in everybody's server purpose. Everybody has gifts. At the same time, there's a crescendo and then the very last one entered the room. And they kind of bring everything to the next level. And it's almost like some of this white. It keeps showing me the same vision where I see myself waiting in a room. And it's a huge stadium, like almost like two, the large, almost like two football fields combined together and people from all over the world coming. I see children, family, men, women, depending of no matter where you come from. And I'm sitting in that room and there's about 20 of us in that room. And I'm the only one sitting on my bench by myself. And I have come surrounded by my auctorian and it's just and I see a door and I go like, can I go now? They're coming. They're here. No, sit. Can I go now? Why are they going? This one is going. Why are they going together? What am I sitting alone? And they go like, great. It is imperative that you enter the room in the very last minute. You got that key of the future. There's an aspect, a future aspect you need to bring. So all in good time. So the reason why I'm showing that to you is to inspire everyone who's listening and there's no need to run. There's no need to rush. Be in the synchronicity of your soul. Feel it when it's the perfect timing. It's opening doors and it's going to create much more positive ripple effect than if you were rushing into it. That's my point here. Thank you so much for joining me today on the show. It's always a pleasure, and an honor to connect with you. The pleasure is all mine to be. I end the show with this quote from Diane Hall. If we are serious about dreaming our awakening into being and creating a peaceful loving earth in which the heart, spirit, and soul are the only true leaders, we must continue to keep our focus on thoughts of unity and all that truly brings us together. Thanks for joining us today on Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger. If you're listening to the podcast and you'd like to see myself and the guest, go to youtube.com slash Debbie Daschinger or Spotify where the videos also are. We are on all major podcast platforms. Next week on the show will be the amazing Neil Donald Walsh, the man who wrote 40 plus books and started with the Conversations with God book series. Boy, well, we have a lot to talk about and so if you like the show, please comment. Please like. I read them all and I'm so grateful for all of you on this ascension and human experience. Thanks for joining us today.


We can actually combine the equations for power, as well as the equations for Ohm's law, to give us a few different ways to calculate the power in an electrical circuit. I want to start here by reminding you of what the equation for power was for an electrical circuit, and it was the current times the voltage. Now in Ohm's law we have a couple of different formats we have. So for example, the voltage could be written as the current times the resistance, and the current can be written as the voltage divided by the resistance. If I plug those in to this power equation, plugging in first the voltage is equal to the current times the resistance, that means I'll actually have current in there twice, and it will be the current squared times the resistance. So if you know the current and the resistance, you can either use that to find the voltage and use our original power equation, or you can use this alternate equation. Similarly, if you know the voltage and the resistance, you can either find the current and then use that in your original power equation, or substitute it in so that it's the voltage squared divided by the resistance. Now just to show that all of these equations actually work out the same, let's consider a case where you've got a current of 1.25 amps, a resistance of 4 ohms, and a voltage of 5 volts. This is the same as the examples I used in my earlier Ohm's law. We're going to take a look at what this would do for each one of our cases. For my original equation for power, I would plug in my current and my voltage, and I'd find I've got 6.25 watts, if I had 1.25 amps, times 5.00 volts. If I use the current and the resistance, excuse me, let me re-copy this one, plugging in the current squared and the resistance, you plug in the 1.25 squared times the 4 ohms, and you'll still get 6.25. Now notice that amp squared times ohms, if you work out all the units, will also give you watts. And then my last example here, plugging in, if I've got the voltage and the resistance, the voltage squared divided by the resistance is going to give me the same one as well. So this also tells you that a volt squared divided by an ohm must be equal to a watt. So this is how you can use both Ohm's law and the power rule for an electrical circuit to be able to calculate the power for all three situations.


This lecture is part of an online algebraic geometry course about schemes and will be mostly giving a few more examples of schemes continuing from last lecture. So the first example we're going to look at is the spectrum of r of x, the ring of polynomials with real coefficients. Now we saw earlier that the spectrum of c of x just looks like c together with a generic point. This generic point comes from the ideal 0 and the points of c correspond to the ideals x minus alpha. So you might guess that the spectrum of r is going to look like the real numbers are together with a generic point. So we have a line of real numbers and then we have some sort of weird generic point whose closure is the whole thing. So this would be the ideal 0 and a point like 3 would correspond to the ideal x minus 3. However, that's not all the prime ideals of r of x because the prime ideals correspond to irreducible polynomials and there are two sorts of irreducible polynomials. We can either have things that form x minus alpha or we can have x squared plus bx plus c with two complex roots. So this will have a complex roots beta plus or minus gamma times i. So we should really add extra points that correspond to pairs of complex numbers. For instance, there's a sort of single point here corresponding to the ideal, I don't know, x squared plus 3x plus 5 or something like that. If I've got that with imaginary roots. So this corresponds to this ideal and it corresponds to a single point in the spectrum which corresponds to a pair of complex conjugate numbers. So the points of the spectrum really consist of orbits of the complex numbers under complex conjugation. And you notice complex conjugation is really the absolute Galois group of the real numbers that you take the algebraic closure of reels and take the Galois group of that over the reels. And similarly for other fields that points of the spectrum of polynomials over a field are actually going to correspond to orbits of elements of finite extension of the field. And of course there should be a generic point. I guess I should really draw this generic point a bit bigger because it should also include these points here. Next, we're going to look at an example of a curve mapping to the real line so here I'm going to take the curve y squared equals x cubed minus x. And it's coordinate ring is just going to be say r of x, y over y squared minus x cubed plus x and its spectrum is going to look a bit like the following. So the real points of the spectrum are going to look like the curve. And then it's also going to have various complex points which are sort of pairs of complex conjugate numbers. For instance, we could take say that the points x equals minus two and then y is going to be plus or minus the square root of minus six. So we'll get a pair of points. Well, this ring contains the ring r of x. So there's a map from r of x to this string. And this corresponds to a map of this, the spectrum of this ring to the spectrum of this ring. So let's draw the spectrum of the real line. So here we have the spectrum of r of x, which is we did in the previous sheet. So it's, it's, it's got some real points and it's got a generic points, and it's also got some pairs of complex conjugate points. And we can map the, we map this spectrum, in other words, this curve to the real line. And there are three things that can happen. First of all, there are these funny points that kind of ramify. You see there are sort of, there's a, there's only one point mapping to this real point, but it's a sort of double point. So we call these ramification points. So ramification means branching out. And you think of this blue curve as kind of branching out from here. It's got two branches there and there. Next, we can have points that where a point on the real line just splits into two points in this curve. So that's fairly common. And finally, we have examples where a point on the real line only splits into one point consisting of a pair of complex conjugate points. So if x is minus two here, then it's that there's only a single point of the spectrum here, but it's not really a ramification point. It's really sort of a double point rather than a single point occurring with multiplicity two. So that's three things that can happen. Now I'm going to look at a different example. This time I'm going to look at the ring z of i. This is just the Gaussian integers. And there's a map from z to this. And now I need to figure out what the spectrum of z of i looks like. Well, z of i is a principal ideal domain. So you may remember from number theory. And it is three sorts of primes. What you can do is you can take every prime of z and figure out how it splits in z of i. So that's three things that can happen. First of all, prime two splits as one plus i squared times a unit, possibly minus i. Three just remains a prime, but five splits as two plus i times two minus i because five is equal to two squared plus one squared. So whenever a prime is the sum of two squares, it factorizes. So this is typical for the prime two. This is typical for primes that are three mod four. And this is typical for primes that are one mod four. So there are three different things that a prime can do. Now the fact that we've got a map from z to z of i means we've got a map from the spectrum of z of i to the spectrum of z. So here I have the spectrum of z and this is going to contain points like two, three, five, seven, eleven, thirteen and so on. And it's also got this generic point zero and we've got a map from z of i to z. Now what the fibres are and there are three sorts of fibres. First of all, the prime two sort of is the square of a prime here. So we're going to draw that as a one plus i. Next three kind of remains as a single point. So we're going to draw that in yellow, I believe. And finally, we've got various points like five, which split as two points. So here we have two plus i, two minus i, nine above five. And similarly for thirteen, we'll get two points, three plus two i, three minus two i. And for seven and eleven, we're only getting a single point. And what you should do is you should think of this as being a single curve. So we have a sort of blue curve which corresponds to the generic point and it sort of kind of goes like that. It sort of splits up a bit. And now if you look at these two diagrams, you can see they're very, very similar. We've got this generic point corresponding to the prime zero. And above each point of spec z or spec of r of x, it can do one of three things that can ramify. We should really have drawn this as ramifying, so it should sort of come round like that. Or the point here is the image of two different points of the spectrum. Or the point here can be the image of the double point of the spectrum. So the point of this is that the Gaussian integers behaves very, very much like an algebraic curve. And the homomorphism from z to the Gaussian integers corresponds to the projection of a typical algebraic curve onto one of the axes. So we can think of spec z as sort of similar to an affine line. So what is going on is that r of x and z are both principal ideal domains. And if you've got a principal ideal domain, its spectrum rather resembles that of an affine line. And you can do the same thing for all algebraic number fields. You can think of them in this geometric way. So for example, if you've got a geometric object, there's something called the Picard group that we may discuss later, which is just a group of line bundles. So you won't worry too much about what that is just now. So roughly speaking, a line bundle is a way of assigning a one-dimensional vector space to each point. For instance, you could take the tangent bundle of this that would assign a one-dimensional vector space consisting of the tangent space. And they form a group, which is the Picard group of a geometric object, which is really important. And if you've been to an algebraic number theory course, you know that for a ring of integers of an algebraic number field, there's something called the ideal class group, which consists of fractional ideals, modular principal fractional ideals, and is really important in number theory because it vanishes if and only if you have unique factorization domain. And it turns out that you can define Picard groups of schemes. In particular, you can define the Picard group of a ring of integers of an algebraic number field. And it turns out to be exactly the same as the ideal class group. So these two apparently completely different things, ideal class groups and groups of line bundles, turn out to be really the same thing if you're working with schemes. Now I'll give another example. I'm going to look at the spectrum of a local ring. So I'm going to take CXY, localised at the ideal XY. This means it consists of all rational functions g over h with h naught naught and not equal to naught. We've got that the right way around. And we want to figure out what this looks like. Well, first we recall what the spectrum of CXY looks like, which we did last time. And you remember it's got some maximal ideals corresponding to closed points. And it's got some not so maximal ideals corresponding to various lines. And it's got even less maximal ideal consisting of the ideal zero consisting of a generic point. So now here XY is going to is the ideal correspond to this point in it turns out the spectrum of this localisation will discuss localisations a bit next lecture turns out to be a sort of blown up view of this bit of the spectrum. So let's look at the ideals of this. First of all, we've got the ideal zero, which corresponds to a, it's going to be a generic point. And then we've got ideals of the form that then we've got the maximal ideal. Let's do the maximum ideal next. I think I was using purple for this. So the maximum ideal is XY. And it's maximal because any anything not at this is invertible. And so we just get a single closed point. And then we've got various ideals of the form f, f XY equals zero. And these are just going to be little lines passing through the, the point of the maximum ideal. And if you look at this, it sort of as if you took a magnifying glass and looked very closely at this point here. So all you're seeing are the tiny, I mean, you're looking at this so closely, you can only see one point, one closed point. But you can still see the sort of vestiges of these lines. I mean, I'm not quite sure how you can see a line while only seeing one point on it. But somehow that's what the, that's what the spectrum is doing. So this operation of taking the local ring at a point geometrically corresponds to kind of really focusing on in on this point. That's why it's called localization. By the way, you're sort of localizing at this point looking very, very closely at it. Now we will have a trick question. What is the spectrum of the zero ring? So the zero ring has only one element zero and one is equal to zero. Well, the points are the prime ideals. So what are the prime ideals of this? Well, you might think zero is a prime ideal, but it isn't because if we question out by this prime ideal, we just get the zero ring and the zero ring is actually not an integral domain by definition because an integral domain by definition has one not equal to zero. So the spectrum of zero is empty. And it is just one open set, which is the empty set. And in order to find that sheaf, we need to say what is the sheaf of this empty set. And the sheaf of the empty set is just the zero ring are with just one element. So that's the spectrum of zero. It basically corresponds to the empty topological space. Finally, we'll finish by asking what is the spectrum of a product of two rings? Well, we need to know what are the prime ideals? Well, the prime ideals are going to be homomorphisms to integral domains. And if you've got a homomorphism of r times s to an integral domain, then either s maps to zero or r maps to zero.  And it's quite easy to see from this spectrum of r times s is just a disjoint union of topological spaces spec of r times spec of s. And we can check that this is an open subset and this is an open subset. So it really is a disjoint union of topological spaces. And similarly, if you've got an open set of spec of r times s, it's the union of an open set u union and open set v. And the ring of functions on this is obviously just going to be the ring of regular functions on u times the ring of regular functions on v. So the geometric interpretation of this is that if you've got to, if spec of r is here and spec of s is here, then these are disjoint and nothing to do with each other. And all you're saying is that a function on the union of these two spaces is given by function on this space and a function on this space. In other words, you're taking the product of the functions on this space and the functions on this space. Okay, the next task is to show that the spectrum of a ring as we've defined it really is a ring space, and we haven't yet checked the sheaf condition. And to do that, we are going to first review the operation of localization of a ring.


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Earlier this week would have been Murray Rothbard's 90th birthday and in celebration of the man we held a reception at the Students for Liberty conference in Washington D.C. entitled Why Rothbard Matters where Bob Murphy spoke on the impact that Rothbard has had on his own work and why the assembled students of themselves go out and find and read Murray Rothbard and to help them do just that the Mises Institute has just released a new Rothbard reader which was edited by our own Dr. Joe Salerno and by Professor Matt McCaffrey at the University of Manchester in England who's a former fellow with us here at the Institute. So here to talk not only about the new Rothbard reader but also about Rothbard the man is our guest Professor Matt McCaffrey. So if you like Rothbard stay tuned for a great interview. Ladies and gentlemen welcome back once again to Mises Weekends and a special welcome to our guest Matt McCaffrey live this evening from England Matt how are you. I'm fine thanks Jeff. Well so the Rothbard reader is now available or will be mailed the print version will be mailed shortly.  Yeah you certainly do I mean when you start reading Rothbard for the first time it's overwhelming just the sheer volume of work that he produced and it's on so many different subjects and on so many different levels and for different audiences I at least find it extremely overwhelming and so when we went through the editing process of this book when Joe Salerno and I were putting this together a couple of years ago it really just drives home to you how wide his understanding was his learning was and just the sheer number of topics that he wrote on is yet it's extremely humbling. But of course even within economics itself he's wide in other words he's a monetary economist really almost an unparalleled monetary economist from the Austrian perspective anyway but then as range goes out into movie reviews and politics and sports and philosophy did you read a lot of material that you'd just never seen before? Oh sure sure and we went back and looked at his essentially his complete bibliography of his writings throughout his life we found all kinds of materials that we didn't realize that he had ever written you know materials as you say on every different subject you know that had unfortunately been lost and one of the things we tried to do in this book is actually bring a few of those surprise articles back and get them published and in the public eye again. Well so obviously his big opus is man economy and state and there are selections from that contained within the reader. When I go back and look at man economy and state which really I think represents a revival of sorts in and of itself or the beginning of the new Austrian school you know he began this book in 1952 when he's only in his early 30s he finishes it in his mid to late 30s. Isn't that pretty staggering to you to think that he was able to write this so young? Oh yeah I mean it's really incredible that he managed to absorb so much of the economic doctrine not just of the time but for the you know the previous two centuries that he managed to absorb so much of this and then put it explain it systematically in man economy and state. I mean that book I think will always remain his crowning achievement certainly in economics. Do you think that's true of a lot of academics that their best their biggest achievement comes at a pretty young age just because the just like our muscles age our mental faculties age as well? Well it's certainly true for some economists. Joseph Schumpeter said that it's the decade between the ages of 20 and 30 that all economists do their most brilliant work. I don't think this is true for Rothbard. I don't think it was true for Mises and many other great economists because they you know continued to be you know extraordinarily productive economists throughout their lives and continued to add to what they had done at a very young age and certainly Rothbard falls into that pattern as he was a you know a very productive economist I mean right up to the end of his life. Well what some of our listeners might not know is that what's become sort of an addendum to the book man economy state called power and market was originally designed by Murray to be part and parcel of the book. It contains some provocative material including a chapter entitled defense services on the free market. Talk about why and how the original publisher thought that that was a bit much and and caused Murray to have to publish that separately. Right well when Rothbard first wrote man economy and state he initially envisioned it as a sort of a textbook version of Mises' human action a more accessible version of human action and it was as he started writing it that he started to realize that there were some topics that Mises didn't really go into in detail and that he was going to have to address these topics himself and in some cases actually develop a new sort of systematic approach to thinking about them from an Austrian economic perspective and one of these topics concerns the role of government which is what Rothbard talks about in those those chapters that are now the book power and market that are added to the end of man economy and state but at the time Rothbard was breaking a lot of new ground with these arguments arguing that in fact there is no economic justification for government that in fact the market can provide all of these so-called public goods that government usually provides and I think the publisher simply wasn't ready for this I think they considered it to be a little too controversial it's also the case that coming in at the end of man economy and state the book was already extremely long you know a thousand pages and so for those reasons the publisher asked Rothbard to cut a lot of those sections or at least trim them down a great deal and so Rothbard sort of took those chapters out and kept them on the side and then published them later as the standalone book power and market but fortunately now because of the Miesz Institute's reissuing of the scholars edition of man economy and state those two parts have been brought together again of the way that Rothbard originally intended Well you mentioned that it's that this book is perhaps more accessible than human action I hear this a lot that man economy and state is less daunting and hence a better introduction for the reader than human action do you think that's really true I mean I obviously part one of human actions can can be difficult conceptually but I almost find man economy state a bit more technical you know than human actions more graphs I won't say it's mathy of course but it's it seems to me a little more traditional in its approach to economics than human action relative to some other Austrian work I think that's correct as I mentioned you know it was originally conceived as a kind of textbook version of human action and it's for that reason that it has this sort of technical element to it as you said it's not too dense it's not like reading say you know a mainstream economics textbook I think it is more intuitive and more engaging than that but you're right when you say that there is this element of we might even call it dryness in some of the in some of the book Rothbard is much more careful in man economy and state than Mises was in human action to avoid being to value laden Mises was always always insistent throughout human action on you know champ championing the virtues of a free society because Mises is a utilitarianism he was very adamant always to talk about about the benefits of of society and of the division of labor and the problems with socialism and that kind of comes comes through in a certain sort of passion in his work and Rothbard in man economy and state I think is taking a more reserved tone as a teacher as someone who's trying to explain these problems in a very sort of sober systematic way and and I think that's why sometimes people might actually say that they prefer to read human action than man economy and state. Matt it's interesting that you bring up Mises utilitarianism because to put it mildly Rothbard countered that perspective in his book the ethics of liberty which is still very much a libertarian standard that a lot of people read today. I wonder if you think if it was tough for him as an academic and someone who admired Mises as much as he did to sort of go against him and write something contrary to him his own mentor. Oh I think it certainly was and in fact I believe Rothbard relates the story of when he first criticized Mises in public like criticized Mises to his face in his seminar when he presented a paper that was somewhat critical of Mises utilitarianism and I think he said that at the time his hands were shaking and he wasn't sure if he was actually going to make it through the presentation. So I think it certainly it was difficult for him and I mean I think it's challenging always for students even exceptional students to take issue with what their mentors have taught them. Because Murray wrote on so many topics he wrote on philosophy and ethics and libertarianism and political strategy sports and movies everything that we mentioned before do you think that this hurt him in terms of his reputations pure economist within the profession? Yes I think it did you know I think the broader the approach you take in academic writing and the less sense of specialization there is in your work the less appealing it's going to be to the profession at large and this is a trend that still happens today it's always harder to do interdisciplinary work than it is to specialize in very narrow topics and that's the way that the economics profession and the social sciences more generally have been moving in the past few decades and so I do think that to some extent Rothbard was a victim of that trend. But here's what's so interesting is today Rothbard is much better known for having written non-academic work for lay audiences than let's say Arthur Burns the former Fed chairman who tried to thwart his PhD thesis at Columbia right who can name the chair of the Harvard Department of Economics in 1975 today right so isn't that ironic that Rothbard by doing an end run of sorts around traditional academia is actually much better read and much more popular today? It is there is a certain irony to it but I think it's a testament to the fact that Rothbard was a talented and engaging writer and essentially on every topic that he wrote on you could at least be guaranteed that he would be write something witty and thought provoking and provide some excellent food for thought. The fact that so many of his colleagues who were at the time but much better known is a testament to the fact that they simply weren't able to do this specialization in this very sort of narrow academic sense it can certainly hurt you over time. I think Rothbard used to say that there was a problem with economists very famous economists specializing in doing the kind of work that they were worse at and I don't think Rothbard ever really himself specialized in anything so that was a I think a trap that he managed to avoid because he remained you know a broad interdisciplinary scholar his entire life. Well having edited this new reader if somebody was new to Rothbard they'd heard his name but they weren't familiar with any of his work they were sort of your typical libertarian with a healthy interest in economics what would you tell them where would you tell them to start? Well this book is designed to appeal first and foremost to people who are just in this in exactly this sort of situation they want to get more into Rothbard you know they're sort of curious but he wrote so much you just don't know where to start and so in general that's one of the reasons why we decided to edit this book with that in mind as an economist myself I of course gravitate most toward Rothbard's economic writings and in this book we've tried to sort of set out even though it's relatively short we've tried to use a small number of writings to let Rothbard outline his approach to economics to economic theory but also of course to economic policy and economic history and history of economic thought all the different aspects of the science they're all there and for me those have always been the most compelling aspects of his work at the same time though many other people would I think prefer to jump into his political philosophy into his more practical writings on things like the libertarian movement and libertarian strategy and so of course we had to include some of those writings as well. Well I have to say personally I don't believe it is one of the movies reviewed here but because of Murray Rothbard I went out and saw the movie Metropolitan a couple of years ago and it's really interesting to watch that movie knowing that Murray loved it it changes your perception of watching a movie after you read a Rothbard review that's for sure. Matt we only have time for one more question so let me ask you a highly loaded question if I may I would argue that today Mises legacy is secure in other words even his worst critic would now acknowledge that he was a giant of the 20th century it feels like Rothbard's legacy is not yet secured would you agree with that statement and if so why? I would agree with that statement the reason is that I think Rothbard's most important contributions to knowledge in the most general sense are his contributions to economic theory as encapsulated in man economy and state and a lot of his other sort of formal economic writings however even though these works are very commonly discussed I think that they are not read closely as often as people say and I especially think that his original contributions in these books continue to go under appreciated you know there are certain topics like his sort of anarchist political economy these tend to be very popular very widely read and everybody knows the basic arguments I think however what people tend to ignore are those core chapters of a book like man economy and state the one that deal with the more mundane topics the core price theory of the Austrian school the discussions of production and of monopoly and of entrepreneurship topics that you simply cannot do without in economics and which Rothbard in a sense completely revolutionized in that book but sadly those are the chapters that tend to be least read today and least discussed and for that reason I think people sometimes dismiss Rothbard and consider him not so much as a you know a path breaking economic theorist which I think he was but as rather only a sort of a radical political economist and libertarian activist of sorts professor Matt McCaffrey thank you so much for your time Matt is the editor of the new Rothbard reader which we have available on our website at mises.org if you want to purchase a physical copy it'll ship soon if you want to get an inexpensive e-book copy we will have that as well and we will have a free html and pdf in short order if you don't care to pay at all but you like to read it but if you're looking for an introduction to Rothbard or if you just like to add to your Rothbard collection I think it's going to be great so again Matt thank you for your time and ladies and gentlemen have a great weekend


This thing on it is so Good morning afternoon, whatever it might be right now everybody and thank you for being here This is not at all what I expected when I was told that I would be coming down speaking under a tree I imagined a bunch of punk rockers sitting under a tree not punk rock You know like-minded people by the hundreds sitting comfortably under this awesome tree and this is an incredible Atmosphere and I'm in awe of what Shane's completed here and what he's doing what we're all putting together But you know when I was thinking about maps, I was thinking about my perception of maps Because I don't usually speak about maps. I'm out usually speaking about Haiti and Shane sort of threw me a curveball You know the theme is maps, okay Well, I have nothing to say about maps at all I thought and I started thinking what do maps mean to me and what's my relationship to maps and I realized That I put a lot of faith in maps I have an iPhone many of us do when I need to go somewhere I put in the destination and the iPhone tells me Where the destination is and how to get there and I put a lot of faith in that map And I've done that all the time even pre iPhone back in the early days of humanity when we used to use paper maps I would look at a map see a destination and assume that destination is where it is and I'm gonna go to it I put a lot of faith in maps, but the thing is is that using a map Instantly implies that the destination is real and that it exists and that's an illusion that I carry with me And it's oftentimes almost led me astray Case in point. I used to do a lot of support work for the Western Shoshone nation in central Nevada in a landright struggle They have going on with the United States government and some huge multinational mining corporations So I used to go down to Nevada all the time if I told you today to meet me at the Western Shoshone base camp in Crescent Valley, Nevada I would tell you take 80 east across Nevada take exit 261 Head south through Biowawi once you're through Biowawi get to Crescent Valley Take a left head out into the desert go around the corner go straight more out in the desert about 10 miles You're gonna get to a base camp and that's where some elderly Shoshone sisters live We're basically battling the United States government for their lives and their birthright in terms of their land. Okay Sounds like a map look it up on your iPhone try to get to Crescent Valley base camp I did it about 10 minutes ago and what it tells you is that you take that exit you go down to Crescent Valley and Then there's nothing there's no left to take to head towards the mountains and in fact out in the desert There's not only no base camp, but there's no Shoshone people and the ghost of Steve Jobs would tell us that they actually don't exist at all There's nothing there. There's no destination the map says nothing is there Ask a Shoshone person what the map looks like and they'll tell you will you get to this town Crescent Valley that was developed as a scam To scam people from California to move out to the desert and spend their money in the desert right on this You know lavish town, which is actually just like this crappy trailer town, right and what happens is you then go out into the Desert past where the Yamba grows Yamba is about a thumb-sized little tuber that the Shoshone lived on since time immemorial After you go past where the Yamba grows you go around the corner where the hot water is the hot water That kept us alive during times when we needed spiritual healing and even just bathing go around that corner and then out in the distance There's pinion trees and the pinion nuts kept us alive when nothing else would grow And then you get closer to those mountains near where this base camp is and you'll find the graves of our ancestors which carry Carry on our spiritual tradition. It's a different map Looks totally different, but if I put faith strictly in the map that I believe in I'd be taking lefts that things called exit 261 and driving through towns named by people who had no association whatsoever to that community, right? So I put a lot of faith in maps inadvertently and maybe I shouldn't So I want to tell you a little bit about the work that I've done in Haiti And if at the end of this talk the message you take away is the work that I've done in Haiti Then I have failed as a speaker. It's not about the work. I've done in Haiti. It's about rethinking our maps It's about rethinking goals. It's about thinking about what we're doing and why from new perspectives all the time and listening to people The great irony is one microphone 100 pairs of ears, and I'm speaking disregard that irony or at least take it into your consideration as you listen to me So after the earthquake in Haiti a couple years ago I was sitting in Seattle literally like when I say after the earthquake. I mean within minutes I was sitting in Seattle with a guy who works with me as an assistant, you know sort of partner as it was and We were watching Haiti happen on the news. I'd been in Haiti about six months before that filming a documentary I had some very close friends in Haiti.  We got to get we got to do something. We have to do something. There's the goal There's the destination Haiti. We have to do something now for these people. We were all thinking some along the same lines so I Started making some phone calls and to make a long story short. I ended up on private relief boat about a week and a half later sailing out of Miami and there was about 10 of us all Punk rockers and can you hear okay in the back? Should I maybe do this? Is this better?  Well, I can I can meter that with this manual manual volume control But um, why don't I just do that?  It's you know pieces bad for business. So anyway, so um The point is is that uh, I was on a private relief boat to Haiti Okay, there's about 10 of us. We sailed out of Miami all volunteers on a boat the size of from here to the fence in the back and We were the first private relief boat to hit the southern coast of Haiti we brought about 10 12,000 pounds of medical supplies and food and Sailed for eight days and eight nights only a couple of them meaning a couple of us having had sailing experience And the rest of us, I don't know how many of you have sailed I don't know how many of you have been on a boat having no sailing experience I don't know how many of you have been on a boat with no sailing experience and waves that were sometimes 15 or 20 feet high at night It sucks But the point is is that we got there and we actually got there first because we were in action right away down to Jock mel the southern coast of Haiti. Okay That story and the details of it save it for another time point is the small boat the Liberty schooner Arrives in jock mel on the southern coast of Haiti and as we pull up to the dock in Haiti There's people waiting for us because they've heard you know that we're gonna we're gonna get there And this guy is standing there like as far away as you are and what's your name? Devin as far away as Devin is right and as the boat literally comes up the dock this guy who's standing there Haitian guy says to me and my friends welcome to Haiti. We see you as if God has arrived Okay, life-changing moment right big stuff.  I'm like us, you know I'm not God right but to this guy 10,000 pounds of food and water medical supplies 12,000 pounds God had arrived. This is major right?  What can be done? So the boat sails back to the United States because I had friends in Haiti I needed to see what was going on with them. I stayed on the ground in Haiti for a few days and Sawed out my friends made sure they were alive made sure they were okay Saw what was going on met a doctor that I know in Port-au-Prince and I said to him listen I'm gonna I'm gonna help you and you need to keep in mind This is I'm literally like this is moment in Indiana Jones where Indiana Jones says, you know You go back to wherever I'm gonna follow that truck with the Ark in it and you know Marion says to him You know, you know, how are you gonna do that? He's like, I don't know I'm making this up as I go along Okay, that that like as a young Greg that line changed my life because I'm not appearing before you today as this experienced Humanitarian who sails to Haiti on his yacht like Richard Branson kind of you know, like I literally making this up as I go along in Port-au-Prince Check in with the doctor and I said to him I'm gonna go back to the States. I'm gonna help you I'm gonna send you some money regularly Roadmap destination in the distance that guy needs money right needs money and help and I decided because he was giving away medical supplies and medicine for free to people who needed it in Port-au-Prince that I Should support him great idea came back to the United States I was actually sitting here in Los Angeles and my friends Kitch I did as kitchen table and decided a little louder. Okay. I know thank you So decide that what I was gonna do is form something called 100 for Haiti And what I was gonna do is just seek out 100 donors to donate a thousand dollars each Put together a hundred grand and send it down to Port-au-Prince to this doctor and his medical clinic And you have to keep in mind medical clinic in Haiti looks very different than medical clinic here in Los Angeles We're talking like cinderblock construction cracks in the walls sometimes electricity never any plumbing that sort of thing So a great idea perfect concept easy to get 100 individuals corporations or sponsors to donate a thousand bucks each And all the while I'm thinking to myself. There's something missing there like the map was before me, right? I know that delivering food and supplies to Haiti is a good idea I know that this guy needs help the map is before me and Somehow in the back of my mind I was thinking something's got to be different. Okay At the same time the people who are on the Liberty schooner got back they said we should do another mission again Destination in mind Haitians need supplies. They put together a bigger boat more supplies I got involved put together like 30,000 pounds of rice another 20,000 pounds of medical supplies It was ridiculous We had truck shipping stuff from all over the south to Miami loaded it on a much bigger boat sailed that boat to Haiti This trip rather than taking six days took about two months because the boat broke down And there was weather problems and blah blah blah blah, but all that stuff got to Haiti when it got to Haiti and again Long story short the fight with Haitian customs to get this aid into Haiti was so insane It would take two hours of your time to explain how it happened and how we got about getting the stuff into Haiti But the point is after all the stuff got in and I came back to the States again I'm thinking Something's wrong with the map something's wrong with the way that I'm following the map I keep putting together like missions and supplies and starting to be about the numbers Oh, we did 10,000 pounds of supplies the first time 30,000 pounds is better next time We do 50,000 pounds and already the captain of the boat is saying we need a bigger boat Okay, so what happens next 100,000 pounds do we start bringing trucks down to Haiti? Do we bring them a subway sandwich shop and just put it right in the center of Port-au-Prince and say you're saved What happens next bigger bigger bigger? wrong map month later I was in Haiti and I was walking through The tent cities and I started to really listen to people rather than think from the perspective of I'm from America I'm here to help which is like the worst thing you could say to somebody basically anywhere in the world at this point I Started listening to people and over subsequent trips to Haiti I listened more and more and about a year ago and I should you know sidebar Yes, 100 as Shane said 100 for Haiti formed, you know along the way and started to you know Just me and my rag tag group of about five of us, you know started to form this organization Start to really listen to people and about a year ago We were in Port-au-Prince We were about to walk through a tent city and we really wanted to see inside these tents because people have been living since the Earthquake still today as we speak as we sit here right now in tents like this that were given to them you know Second second week of January 2010 and they're still living in them and they have begun to literally Deteriorate from the Sun and it's not just you know stalwart young people I mean the elderly and children are living in in the most unspeakable conditions all over Port-au-Prince so Walking through hate walking through one of these tent cities a guy comes up.  It's like okay. Let's do this So we start walking through the tent city and he's not just like here's a tent. There's a tent. There's a tent He is like step inside this tent I want you to see and take home to the people back home what we've been living in right and We walk we're inside these tents and he's showing us where you know This guy almost died.  She's about six maybe five and This guy takes me aside and he's like she's gonna take your money I'm like that I know he's like but what she's gonna do with it She's gonna spend as little as she can on food and the rest she's gonna use To rent a bike from this guy who has this broken bike on the other side of the tent city She's gonna ride her bike around this tent city three times. That's what she gets for her whatever it was five good It's like a matter of sense And it's like I walk back over to her and I and I asked her some questions about some of the other details He had told me and I asked her I asked her in French because he was speaking in English So I'm thinking okay I'm gonna hit her up now in French because this was in English and I asked her in French I said where do you live and she pointed and corroborated his story and I said what are you doing? She says I'm asking for money. I said, what are you gonna do with the money? And she says I'm gonna eat. I'm gonna eat. I'm gonna say and I said what are you really gonna do with the money? And she didn't know what to say and I said, what are you really gonna do with the money? She said I'm gonna ride a bike. I'm like, huh Okay, so now we're now now we're on a different map now the map is totally different now It's not just about food anymore What do you do when there's a country of people who yes are hungry and yes need help?  He's like, don't you see I don't want money He says I want a way to make money. I want a way to survive I want to be able to chart my own course basically is what he was saying So now all of a sudden I'm rethinking the map entirely I get back to Seattle and I started walking around We call it the office. I don't know if any of you have been to Seattle But there's a burrito place called El Chupacabra. There's a lake called Green Lake. Do you know it? You know Chupacabra? Yeah rules. Okay.  That's the office We sit and we eat burritos and just okay, so we went to the office and we had a talk and the talk was what are we doing? Like send a bigger boat is that is that what's needed and feed directly into Haitian bureaucracy the idea that here comes more Supplies here comes more food here comes blah blah blah Or do we listen to the people and what they're saying about the roadmap that they have written for themselves? Which is that at their core at their humanity? They need the basics. They want to ride a bike They want to be self-sustaining and self-driving They don't want 10,000 pounds of food and supplies dropped in their lap see you later And I go home and I tell everybody I rule I sent this money to Haiti.  It's a fiction that I wrote in my head like a roadmap that I wrote while blind Okay, so what are we doing? So we came up with an idea and the idea was for the self-sustaining project We called it modal logistics and the way modal logistics works is what 100 for Haiti decided to do and I will say we've continued to send money to that doctor in Port-au-Prince to his clinic and He's incredibly thankful and the clinic is thriving and you know There's video on the 100 for Haiti site of medicine and people who's you know been helped and whatnot And you know Haiti definitely needs food supplies and money. That's that's for sure But our focus shifted modal logistics works like this We've targeted and identified clinics and orphanages around Haiti with whom we want to work And we are loaning them money. We're loaning them money so that they can buy motorcycles and ATVs Almost 80% it said of the Haitian population gets around by using motorcycles Moto-taxies they're called so if you want to get from here to Orange County, you get up Well, that's a long way for you know on a back of motorcycle Whatever you hop on the back of a dirt bike and you negotiate something with the driver The driver drives you you pay that driver the driver's got a job and life goes on and you've gotten your ride What we decided to do as we decided to give You know through a no-interest loan Money to targeted orphanages take for example cayangela. It's an orphanage in Jockmel Haiti They serve children who have or who have been affected by HIV and AIDS There's a woman there from Amsterdam who's lived in Haiti for 15 years All she does day in day out is try to figure out how to get resources together to pay for the diapers soap and lives of these kids who either have HIV or AIDS okay, and Take cayangela for example We're gonna loan them money and they're gonna buy motorcycle with it And what they do with that motorcycle is they use it by day to transport patients and supplies They use it by night as a Moto taxi service They find somebody in the community who needs a job That's just about everybody and they negotiate on terms with the driver for what the driver needs for his or her Services and I will say most of the time it's his services because women by and large don't drive motor taxes in Haiti But so if I say his it's not being sexist. That's just the deal So what it needs for his services and once they reach a point where the hours that he's trading of his life for money Are worth what he's being paid they work out a deal So basically no interest loan goes to cat cayangela clinic Cayangela orphanage and they use this motorcycle by day and then at night by taxi service that driver drives that motorcycle Raises money all night long driving this taxi around and what he does is he takes a percentage That's his salary. He's got a job Cayangela takes a percentage for repairs Cayangela takes a percentage for themselves to be able to sustain the clinic and a very very small percentage five sometimes 10% goes back to repay the loan to 100 for Haiti and we sign an agreement with them that they will Pay back the loan over between four and six years and what happens is we've rewritten the map No longer is I stand here. You need help. I raise money. I give you money You spend money We've just taken a very valuable human resource Which is people's time and their passion and their devotion and essentially we've squandered it because once that money is spent It's gone forever and what we've done is we've rewritten the map Now what we've got going on is a situation where we get to reuse that money money's worthless It's a fetish object. What we can do with it is astounding So when we give money to that that orphanage and they buy that motorcycle somebody's got a job in time Cayangela pays off that motorcycle and they own it outright and what 100 for Haiti has is the principal back on an No-interest loan basis and we're willing to lose whatever percentage we'd make profit on the loan or interest on the loan That's for crazy people. We just want to have people have jobs and be able to define their own future in Haiti So if somebody wants a job in Haiti now they can get one, right? And if they if Cayangela needs the resource of a motorcycle full-time, it's theirs and no outlay of cash for them So in time we get to reuse the money that's coming in through donations. Okay Reason this is cool is not only because it's a great idea But also because it's working yesterday when I landed here in Los Angeles I went straight to the bank and I sent down a Basically all the money in 100 for Haiti account to a partner in Haiti We are providing motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles for the first ever all Haitian EMT training program That's being done in Haiti being done the Brazilian government in conjunction with the Canadian government in conjunction with a group of Called global dirt. They've been on the ground since the earthquake. We're providing with the same deal Motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles for the first all Haitian EMT program in Haiti It's the same deal the chunk of money that we sent down in time comes back to us We get to use it elsewhere to other clinics, you know, and they get these motorcycles They get Haitians like get to be empowered. They get to be their own care providers They get to be their own Roadmap writers if you will you know because everybody in the world flew down to Haiti to help them And I you know people were listening and there's amazing groups on the ground in Haiti But the question becomes, you know, are we listening well enough? Are we really serving the people? You know is the roadmap we're following one that we've written, you know, take a right at exit 261 through Biowawi into the desert Or is it one written by the people, you know, that talks more about the burial sites of ancestors for the Shoshone like you talked about before So that's um, I have notes here that I wanted to follow but is that making sense so far? Okay, cool. All right. Good. Good. I'm glad So, uh, and I don't know. Oh, you know what how am I doing time like I'm out good That's perfect because I've got one more thing to say.  So I'm Shakespearean people amongst you. Anybody know Shakespeare? Okay three So you're not so smart after all anyway But uh, okay, so in Hamlet right Hamlet, there's a scene in Hamlet for those in fact Maybe I should take a step back Shakespeare was this playwright. He's dead now. Okay There's a scene in Hamlet right where there's a play going on and Instructions are given to the actors in the play and the instructions given to the actors in the play are suit the action to the word And the word to the action a little bit earlier The instruction is uh, you know nor saw the air too much with your hand.  Everybody in the world first time out acting, you know to be or not to be that is the question Right is this dramatic thing. How many of amongst us have ever thought about killing themselves? You don't have to raise your hand It's okay. I'll raise mine.  My life is over.   It's astounding, right? So suit the action to the word the word to the action Don't make the words you say and the actions that go along with those words be incongruous Make them line up, you know nor saw the air too much with your hand Thus to be or not to be that is the question, you know Don't make these dramatic gestures with your hand when what you're really talking about maybe is is a close matter of the heart That's the point of all this if you read a map From the perspective that's in your mind You're gonna end up possibly not always but possibly not suiting the proper action to the proper word The proper goal might have a path on it That's not the best one when you start to listen to people you start to rewrite a map and instead of sawing the air with your hand Us and making dramatic statements of look what we can do in Haiti I started off by telling you if you leave here by saying, oh, yeah, he did this cool stuff in Haiti You've missed the point. It's not about the size of the boat, right? You know, it's how you sail it. So the point is is that you know and why you sail it more importantly, okay? So the thing is is that if you saw the air and make these dramatic statements with your hand You're gonna miss the point that while you're doing this and making a show of yourself You're not listening and again the great irony is that there's one microphone one voice for the last 30 minutes You've been very generous with one of the most valuable resources you have in your life Which is your time and with all that said if we get a chance and I hope we do over the course of the day I'd love to hear what you have to say as well. Thank you Thank you