Good morning, good afternoon, or good evening. You can go to love in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman. You can go to love in Germany, or Turkey, or Japan, but you cannot become a German, or Turk, or Japanese. But anyone from any corner of the earth can come to love in America and become an American. Welcome back to A Nation of Immigrants, a new talk show program featuring the lives of immigrants, knowledge, diversity, and inclusion. Created by St. Tank Hawai'i and Kingsfield Law Office, we invite renowned immigrants to discuss their life stories, immigration adventures, and other contributions to cultural diversity. Today's guest is our good friend Dr. Ross Hai. Dr. Hai is the Vice President of Thailand Learning and Organizational Effectiveness at Trevend. She is also an adjunct professor at Carlson School of Management at the University of Minnesota. Dr. Hai was previously was Vice President and Chief Learning Officer at Ecolab, responsible for enterprise learning and global institutional training. Dr. Hai received her PhD in Curriculum and Instructional Technologies from the University of Minnesota, Master of Science in Information Media from St. Claude University, and Bachelor of Arts in English Literature and Language from Nankai University in China. She's also past a chair of the Board of Directors at Beth Pratt, an executive mentor and a coach and a Mentium Corporation. Dr. Hai is widely recognized as a leader in the Asian American community. Welcome to the show, Ross. So happy to have you here. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah, well, you know, I always admire your leadership in the Asian American community. And I had the privilege to bring my students to your company and to hear from you, talk about learning and leadership. And thank you again for that great opportunity. But I never have a chance to sit down with you to talk about you. So today, the purpose is you. We want to learn more about you. Please tell us about your childhood. And I know you're from Tianjin. And your education, you received your venture degree from Nankai University, very prestigious university in China. And then you'll receive a master and a PhD from American universities. Please tell us about your childhood, your education. And most importantly, how did you settle in Minnesota? Well, thank you for having me. It is such a pleasure to have this conversation with you, Chang. And I think we all, as immigrants, have unique stories to tell. And it's fabulous that we have this channel to learn about each person's unique journey. There's nothing more difficult than talking about oneself. So I treasure this opportunity to really reflect on my process of growing and living in America. I grew up in Tianjin, as you mentioned, which is a northern city, very large industrial city in China. And I grew up in, you know, back then, I would say, well, probably materially, not very well off, but it was a blissfully happy childhood, because the community where I grew up in is very close knit, was very crowded period, but it was a very close knit, you know, we, I went to school with my neighbors and, you know, I had all my free time with friends or neighbors. So it was a very wonderful, relaxing kind of a time, as much as we reflect on, gosh, you know, materially, it was not very rich, but life was quite fun as a child. I did have a very unique cultural, educational experience. I grew up with the schools opening really late.  So my parents, who were both very dedicated to education, and they each had their own education disrupted because of the Second World War. So my, my father managed to teach me how to use the dictionary. That's how literally how I learned. And he was able to borrow a book from his factory's library one at a time. And once I learned how to use the dictionary, I felt unstoppable because he gave me any book I was able to, to figure out how to read it. And so by the time I actually went to school, I had been exposed to, I had learned, I taught myself how to read. And I had been forced by my parents to take classes on the radio. If you remember way back when there was a whole channel just dedicated to education. So I could learn Japanese one hour and English and another hour. Those were not fun. Those were my parents' ambition that this wonderful time should not be wasted. So they wanted me, I mean, those textbooks cost them probably a month's wages. But they provided me those textbooks and wanted me to learn. So I became a master at changing the clock in my house because there was only one clock. And by changing that clock, I would miss my lessons all the time. But, you know, Miss Chief aside, I did get exposure to English and Japanese very early, which helped me master other languages when I was, you know, a grownup. But I didn't get a chance to go to school until I was almost nine years old. School was very short back then, was only half day. So I used the other half day to try to keep up my English studies. And because the, you know, the education system was quite fluid at the time, I was able to sit for the national college exam when I was 16.  And so I was able to join the senior class, take, you know, took all the classes with the senior graduating class, and took private lessons. Those are all free volunteer lessons by my father's friends in the factory. Learned, you know, math and advanced Chinese skills. So I was able to sit in the national college exam. And I was really fortunate to be able to go to Nankai University and majored in English and minored in French. So when I got to Nankai University, I literally felt like I've gone to book heaven. Because if you remember during the Cultural Revolution, the libraries have been closed to the public. And the bookstores were quite there. So having access to the university with six book cards that you could borrow six books at a time, I thought that was the most amazing thing you can imagine. And yeah, so I just became an unstoppable reader. And I always carried a dictionary with me, as you can imagine, you know, the vocabulary of reading so much was quite a challenge. So I became a person within a dictionary attached to me. So that was a really blissful, wonderful four years of college in Nankai University on the campus. I was still able to go back recently to look at that campus, which has grown so much in the past couple of decades here. But from there, we had several visiting professors from all around the world. Actually, we had professors from Europe, from Australia, from US. And then there were a couple of professors from Minnesota, actually, and they somehow saw the potential in me and introduced me to the St. Claude State University here in Minnesota and really made that connection for me to actually be able to come to graduate school. And the only way that could happen, just given the financial circumstances, was the professors in the department where I was attending school. It was the Department of Learning Resources and Information Media. The professors literally took turns hosting me free of charge. You know, I lived with their families and ate with their families, and they supported me. They taught me how to drive. They, you know, taught me everything about how to say like classes and how to think about a career path. And I truly thank my St. Claude State families for launching me in terms of career as a professional. From there, I did my doctorate here at the University of Minnesota. And from this point on, my career has become just an unbelievable journey of so many mentors, professors, managers, colleagues, neighbors who encouraged me and coached me, connected me to opportunities, taking a chance on me. So since then, I married my husband who's from Malaysia, but has also been studying in the U.S. Both of us met at the university and started a family here in Minnesota. Both of our kids were born and raised in Minnesota in the public school system. They're both now working professionals, you know, doing really well for the profession, as well as the communities where they serve. So my husband and I continue to enjoy our life in Minnesota. We each have enjoyed really rewarding professional careers here in between cities that have such a rich business environment that, you know, we each have enjoyed lots of opportunities for growth and made lots of good friends, you know, so as far as we're concerned, this is home. Absolutely. Amazing and truly exceptional American story. It's let me get it right. And so you basically, in seven years, you completed K-12. Nine years. Nine years. Yes.  And the professors who met you and can't, you know, wait to introduce you to Minnesota. And we are lucky to have you here. And you just mentioned you recently revisited Tianjin. When was it during the pandemic? Right before the pandemic. Yeah, wonderful circumstance because in 2019, Nankai University celebrated its 100th anniversary. Yes. And as part of that celebration, many of us returned to campus, you know, to go back to our beloved campus.  But as part of that journey, there's a whole group of us who started a fund. It was the Roland and Rachel Fisher Theater Activity Fund for the Institute for Foreign Languages of the Nankai campus. Part of the reason was Roland and Rachel Fisher were instrumental in bringing theater movies, the activity of drama to the foreign languages. Back then it was the Foreign Language Department. And they both brought a passion and just a really dynamic pedagogical approach of using film and drama as a way to advance language and culture exchange. So not only did they teach in that setting, they were also visionaries and instrumental in creating these tours. So there were at least two tours that I know of. The first one I was part of, where we brought a classical Chinese drama. And I was part of the Thunderstorm Liu Taoist. So we produced that in English and then toured 10 universities in the U.S. So that was the first of many, many extraordinary culture exchanges so that we could bring Chinese literature and Chinese drama to the U.S. And then the Sincere State Theater Department actually produced Wizard of Oz and toured Chinese universities. And then back and forth. And then that same activity has occurred with other languages as well. So the impact of these two professors, not to mention the fact that they all, Roland and Rachel Fisher became our kind of adopted professional parents, so to speak.  So we launched that fund specifically to support foreign language drama as a way to learn language and culture. So we launched that during the 100-year anniversary of the university. So we were all back. It was an amazing, emotionally rich experience. And I also, as part of the Carlson teaching assignment, I went back again in 2019 to teach a global talent management course as part of the Carlson Global Executive Education Program. Both times I was able to spend a lot of time in Tianjin, you know, being on campus and visiting family in Tianjin and all of my friends from middle school. So it was fantastic. It was right before the pandemic. Just the speed of growth and economic flourishing was just really tremendous. It was just very inspiring. I totally agree. We love Nankai and we love Tianjin. You might remember, my wife is from Tianjin. That's right. Yeah, which district you're from originally? Hebei. Hebei, yeah. Yeah, my wife is from Heodong. And you know, my favorite hotel, every time I go to Tianjin, I stay at Astor Hotel. Oh, sure. Because I love history. I love the every time I stay. I think I stayed at Fu Zuo Yi, which, you know, more than I can remember. They don't allow guests to stay at the doctor's in Tianjin anymore. Tianjin is fantastic. Before Shanghai, there was Tianjin. Tianjin was the most international, global and cosmopolitan entire China. And I'm thrilled to know that you are a fast reader as well. I read a book, and I want to extend my warmest invitation to you to come to my library. And I brought all my childhood books from China. Oh my god. Yeah, so I have more than 10,000 books in my library. And many of them probably you can recognize. I totally relate when you talk about this hunger for knowledge for our generation in the age of, you know, this book is so cherished, valued. It's not like the internet age. You can get any knowledge. You can google it. You can get knowledge. But for us, it's a completely different learning experience. Right. I know. Yeah. Now we get to your specialty, learning.  And so what, how, the question is two parts. So you, what does a great leadership, leadership mean to you? And the second, you attract these talents and develop learning and training programs for you. But now we are in this pandemic that even goes and in this area of great resignation. And what do you do and what company do to retain and develop your employee? Yeah. Yeah. Such a rich question. Boy, we could spend quite some time here. I know. Yeah, I have been really fortunate to not only study leadership, but help organizations build leaders at all levels of the organization.  And in some ways, it's very much calling upon our leaders to work for the greater good. You know, because leaders come with quite a bit of privilege in many ways. And how do you put that privilege and that power and that position to good use? So always at all levels, I look at leaders who put the company's objectives to put, who put the greater community needs ahead of their own. So to me, leaders work for the greater good work for the interests of the team, work for the interests of the company and the community they serve. The second thing about being a leader is a leader cannot possibly get all the work done. A leader is one who must get things done through others and with others. So in that sense, to the extent that you're able to bring out the best in others is it determines your leadership impact. So what can leaders do to coach and develop and power their team that's directly correlated to their effectiveness? And the third thing I always think about leaders, there was a saying about leaders and learners are kind of the same because ultimately, the world is a fast-changing world. You mentioned the idea around there's so much going on, there's great resignation, we're surviving the pandemic and the technology is accelerating so fast. There's no way a leader can possibly sit on their laurels and say, I know the answers. Follow me truly the idea about leaders. I loved this statement from, I think it's the futurist, Alvin Toffner, who said the illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read or write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn and relearn. And leaders appetite for finding new ways and being proven wrong and being willing to try new ways of getting things done is essential to their effectiveness. So with all of that, as you think about during the great resignation or we call it a great reshuffle, what are companies doing then to cultivate leaders? Because ultimately, leaders make the biggest difference in performance and culture and in retaining and developing talent. So we clearly recognize that and we put a lot of emphasis on leaders' ability to connect employees' day-to-day work to the higher purpose. Every organization exists to serve society in some meaningful way. So whether you're doing day-to-day accounting or taking care of customers, how does that work serve the greater purpose of the organization is very important right now as people are reexamining their life's priorities. And leaders are powerful instruments to create a sense of belonging and a sense of psychological safety, to create a place where every employee can bring their full self to fully contribute to the mission of that team. And during this really volatile situation in moment in time, you know, empathy being real human and helping employees find a path for career growth. Those are some of the most important things that we're asking leaders to do. You know, you mentioned this great resignation situation. It is true. Skill shortage is the number one disruptor to business right now. In fact, in 2021, there was a record number of American employees who resigned from their positions. You know, over 50 million people left their jobs last year. And burnout is the primary driver for that resignation pattern. So what is it? You know, is it more pay? Is it opportunities for advancement? Is it relief in the sense of a new start? And many discussions, many reports are now showing that this need for continued flexibility is a driver to some of those career decisions. So there's a lot we can do to help our employees feel inspired, feel engaged and retain with our organizations. Companies are really tuning into this because it is a challenge and it's a significant inhibitor for growth this year. And I'm taking notes. I think that we're going to just publish what you said just then we will transcribe what you just said going to be a great IC on leadership. And I thought, yeah, I thought the employee myself. But I feel like this time is volatile. It's uncertain. It's complex. And it's ambiguous. Yes. And I suppose like you described today's dynamic environment business environment as uncertain, but to keep our faith. But what's your advice to a people like me and to people younger than me? Yeah, build a fulfilling and a resilient career in this very fast training work. Right. For sure. For sure. We're all employees, first and foremost. So so many things that we can take charge instead of being victimized by circumstances. So first of all, if you have not done so speak up, you know, I recommend everyone to say make sure your manager knows that you're hungry for development, make sure team members are aware that you're looking for opportunity to stretch and pick up new skills. Every team, every project that you work on, let people know that you are hungry and willing to try new things. And secondly, make learning your own objectives, you know, what you know, we sometimes talk about five at five, like at five o'clock every day, take five minutes and think about what did I learn today? Is there any work or relationship that I need to draw closure on today? Or sometimes we have a 10, 10 at 10 kind of a mindset. I didn't invent these ideas. I learned it from others that at 10 o'clock, you take 10 minutes and learn something, you know, reflect on a lesson learned today or read 10 pages. You know, all of these things are small, but add up over time. Whitney Johnson has this powerful concept of taking the S curve of innovation and apply it to career development. So inevitably, at the beginning of a new assignment, new job, new situation, you're feeling fearful, frustrated, anxious, isn't going to work. So you feel that optimistic to stress, but then gradually you rise on the back of that ice curve, the S curve to feel like unsuccessful and unbeatable and confident. When you reach the top of your S curve, you feel like master of your trade. That's when actually there's the greatest danger in comfort zone because that's when you're least on your toes. And that's where you're growing the least. So embrace that as Curven be willing to say, I'm going to try a new gig. I'm going to try a new assignment to keep myself growing. So take this growth objective as your day to day priority rather than waiting for others to develop you. Wonderful advice to both the leaders and employees. So we are all learners. Just like I think strike me like similar to, you know, courtroom with both the judges and the lawyers are learners. Right. You have to keep up with the development with law and just like business leaders and employees. Of course, you're the master of that. I'm not no master and just the starting. But I believe that what you advise to the leaders and employees to be lifelong learner and it could be a lifelong important advice. And we are just have a minute to left, but we do wrap up the show by asking our distinguished guests normally two questions. The question one is if you were to give some advice to 20, what would you say? The second question is any recommendation you would recommend to our audience? Yeah. So looking back, you know, here we're talking about life as immigrants. I find that I've spent so much time trying to learn the norms of my new country, trying to fit in trying to understand how to become part of the team so that I can contribute. So looking back, I probably would encourage myself to stand out more rather than fit in more. Because certainly you want to assimilate to the team. Certainly you want to be relatable. Yet at the same time, we each bring unique perspectives and experiences and skills. We got to bring that uniqueness to the team, bring the full force of your passion and your expertise. And that's how you make the greatest contribution. So yeah, so that would be my greatest learning. And then in terms of a book or a movie, so many, but my go to is a book called Mindset is by my by Carol Dweck, a Stanford psychologist who has done this really seminal work around your belief that you can grow, especially through challenges, kind of determines your ability to actually learn and grow and become that much more effective. There's so much research behind that. And quite frankly, it's very meaningful, whether you're a parent or a professional or a teacher or a leader, it is very important lessons to be taken. Wonderful, otherwise, I will check it out. Thank you for the recommendation. And thank you so much for your time, Ross. It's a privilege and pleasure to talk with you about your life, your adventure, and learning leadership. And the most importantly, how to be a leader. Thank you so much, Rob. Thank you. It's a pleasure to be with you. I'd like to have you here. Aloha. See you next time.


Makutwaina, kwa lisha foresto시i yun kibraa, kwa nanupuniaikaji kwa atutulama kisha kambaus. Dunorongdu nii isilipagsquo makikwena nii, kwa kuluniai juna uwezo. Kiribsana dan... Kerita na reaktu, mta juwa wapuna? Kwa hirio kwa hirio kwa isilipagsquo samifi? I think first because our politics is very vocal and very extreme and I think for many the elections are usually a very high stake that people will go to such extremes but at the end I think the responsibility nambuan goes to the residents of Gibra, the security forces but more so the political parties because I know some are using the tactics of intimidation so that they may intimidate a few political candidates but I feel ultimately that it's the people themselves who will decide that whether regardless they are being paid or not that it's them who will need to say that come what may if we are given money we are not given money that we have determined that we are going to have a peaceful election All right I'll be coming to you because you've raised also another issue but let me first of all take Dana Rongo's reaction towards this and of course before you came we were hearing a clip and it was said that you know there are people as he has mentioned about trying to bring chaos in Gibra in terms of elitwarros. Well I think this good morning again this should be seen in Ristuproho number of factors one is what the guidelines of election campaign we are having an elections act that is clearly stipulates what should be done during the election nearing period be it general elections or be it by elections so one of the things that and and I have discussed this on on a different platform and I said that you see each and every political party or rather each and every candidate or to have provided a calendar of how he or he moves to the IEBC some days or some weeks prior so that this would be known secondly on Gibra issue and like Pitona's just talked about the election act is very clear on election offenses one of the elections offense is intimidation and intimidation by meeting violence on your opponent that is a serious election fraud the other thing is that any allegation or evidence that you're buying a vote or rather you're buying an ID cards or election cards that is an election fence and and you see the coordination within the election and even before we come to the people of Gibra the IEBC and the security operators at the point to which a candidate or some the supporters of a candidate rather were passing over arrival candidates area what happened to the security operators where were they what happens to election guidelines on the calendar in each and every movement of each and every word because my suggestion is and or as alias on Friday when I got a win that this was going to happen I already informed that there's going to be an election because in area in one word like in Saragumbe you are organizing elections on two closed areas on a campaign on Sunday and come kunji and then bukungu and on in line sabah and then you go to Lindy those are closed range is actually a walking distance so there was definitely going to be a you know conflict during the election right Danny have mentioned about four four issues of which even the the ANC leader was feeling would have a deal last week he mentioned of the same about bribery and he even came clear saying about particular persons my question is who is failing on the apart about the act or is it the IEBC is it the the aspirant the candidates who is failing on the apart well well elections it's a matter of coordination IBC through the IBC act then they are compelled or rather they have the task to uh you know oversee the the IBC act but then the other supporting acts for example the elections act the election finance act now it comes to a time remember when IBC had actually called for stakeholder's consultation elu dowalu in Hamisi butichi uh from ANC and for Kenya respectively brought up the issue that one we are witnessing an election uh malpractice in a manner that you know one candidate is using state machinery that is an election offense they they actually uh forwarded that to the IBC and they even say that one of the elections the candidate is using violence you intimidate at that point the IBC was very clear they said have you registered an official complaint none of them had actually registered an official complaint with IBC even as we speak there's just a number of allegations in these things happening but nobody had actually registered and and and you know a complaint if that is registered it means that IBC must expedite that must call for a hearing must work with the security apparatus to investigate right and if that is found and let me say to the people of Kibura we have a country that is abiding in law and regardless of any political party if there is an evidence that somebody is buying voters and one is instigating violence I think is because the IBC to act and disqualify any candidate who does that all right done let me come to you Asta because we have this issue of the young people they have been mentioned it's alleged that young people are the ones who are who brought the chaos my question is who is sleeping on their side isn't that young people have been lured into these issues of bringing chaos uh in my uh guess the government because they should educate the resident I mean if like that 100 is not worthy the rest three years you understand and also people should learn that from the past experience because currently against youths are so idle like they have nothing to do in like in their life so and even that 500 or that 100 they find it is like this man is it's worrying for the fight is it worth it not she is not worthy but according to them because they have nothing to do and you have it you can't be given money and then you don't act because if you ask forgive the man what did you do so as for me guess is the government and also the residents themselves they should learn exactly so we can say that uh the money the money the bribery issue is the prime effect of all these issues yeah it's the bribery because currently everything is the power of the man that you have because just the way that all one of us see that one of them are using the government like the houses you know I know the person is so superior but even though when the person is taken to the court can't be asked because you just bribe and guess out so as for me is the case of the bribery all right but people let me come to you again the ANC secretary you know has raised quite a big concern that uh it's alleged that there will be a disruption during the November 7 by election where do these people get this information from and is it validated and who should they forward all this matter to I think as Dana said there is a body called the IBC and I think they should know to go to the people because they'll just be agitating they should just go to the IBC and for their petitions and everything I think what they are trying to do when you know there is something wrong and you go to the wrong person you're just basically trying to just play with emotions and it won't really help legally so I think there's a legal framework and the the person that they should go to otherwise going to the people telling them that the elections will be rigged or somebody's planning to do this and this the people themselves cannot help and I think the best way is just to use the legal framework and to go and to address the issue uh there is yeah as simple as that the issue of the IBC in relation to the Kibrabi election is quite still strong because we have seen several candidates you know saying that the IBC is not giving out the registration uh or the registration voters form why is it that it seems like the IBC is trying to pull back from these issues oh they've said they are not going to give any registration forms names interesting I'm not sure about the election act but I think I know that in every election one of the ways of getting to know if the elections is fair I think it's transparency and I think everything to do with voter registration the number of people voted I think it's it needs to be in the public domain so I don't think there's anything that needs to be hidden so if there's anything that seems like to be hidden then I don't think that will call for a transparent or a fair elections to me all right we will be talking about that probably some other time but now I want us to go now to our main topic of the day well you can keep interacting with us on our Facebook page at it's y254 and of course on Twitter it's at y254 channel my twitter handle it's k underscore alex we can keep the interaction going on of course today we get to talk about the state appointments that the president has been making of course other css well the reason appointment by president who looking at have raised quite a big concern among the youth in the country well after the appointments after appointments you know involving the older faces if not the senior citizens to take charge of critical agencies and extending terms which we have seen even with matahora at the expense of young people one question that all of us trigger is what is really happening documents presented to the parliament by the public service commission detailing the breakdown of civil servants by age cluster revealed that at least 11,879 civil servants were aged between 51 and 60 years and for the 12,057 civil servants were aged between 56 and 60 years well from these while there were about 399 civil servants who had attained the age of 60 years which is Kenya's retirement age my question is to you guys let me begin with you Dan these are statistics that are quite shocking with over 12,000 civil workers being 56 plus I don't know what you take on that well I think it's what we called belligerence it's what we call the state the highest level of state ignorance that we ever had I think I am sure that you see this we we I'm wondering what survey are we using all these statistics that are flowing he and they are about the young and the youth and you know but one thing I am sure about is that if you want to gauge how seriousness any government or any state is you look at how they handling the young people and it shows you how that state is you will be run but then here is there are a number of companies not really alone appointment first of all before I come to appointments we have seen a number of companies laying off the latest we are having is probably finlays I think last time and retreatment massive massive retreatment we are having seeing I am not pro betting but we are seeing a number of betting companies who there are laying off the young people and not only young people but you're looking at let us not really look at the hardware what are the softwares about these food on the table you know we were able to you know some are single mothers some are struggling parents readers and readers who are taking care you know young people are actually sitting to adulthood so if you look at the softwares of this issue minus the you know putting together the statistics and all these things we are staring in a very serious strategic as a state and I would like to come to the government issue in uh being in the appointment but what if we look into you know the current public service I was watching yesterday a different channel where the head of you know the main service in charge of the professor Margaret Kobiya actually would winking the nation and trying to deceive why she thinks that older people are more prefer than young people the issues of experience the intergenerational discrepancy but the thing is here is that minus experience you know minus all these you know what the government is I think young people are better strategically placed to take care of and to be appointed to these positions but Alex this is a question you've asked me several times in this platform and I'm always looking at them the flip side of this question suppose uh the president of republic of Kenya or any other minister ask the young people now here are opportunities I'm looking at 200 qualified young people qualified quality the issue is qualified I'm not saying about experience yes I'm talking about qualified I want the bodies that are in charge of youth to propose these qualified people what is the preparedness what is the capacity thank you very much for that is that is that is my my my my open remarkable python he has he has read quite a point of concern because we're supposed to talk about the issue of experience and is it a hindrance for young people or rather what are we lacking for this particular positions I don't think there's anything we are lacking eh they say life starts at 40 but in Kenya it seems that life starts at 75 eh and I think that's that's so unfair and as you mentioned it's not even an issue of age at ECG one is 85 or 90 it's an issue of number one do you meet the requirements say number two are you qualified for the post because I can honestly tell you not all these older folks that you're calling senior citizens are qualified most of them are being given because it's a it's a they're being rewarded and I can tell you for a fact that these positions which were created the CAS they what are they called the cabinet administrative secretaryza all of them were given over 90 percent to those who had lost their elections and so it's not even a matter of a merit but they're just being rewarded so are there young people who are capable of being given these positions yes we have seen in the private sector that the private sector is actually the opposite of public service that the private sector is looking for young innovative energetic and very intellectual young people and they are there and we know them those CEOs but when you come to public service it's the opposite that you have this older folks and as you have said over 40 percent are civil servants aged over 50 and it tells you that there's going to be a gap very soon because there are no people who have the skills and as the government said last year that they are lacking young people who have the same skills who will fill the gap so what the government is doing is actually retaining workers over the age of 60 because they are no young people so as he said it's a lack of planning from the government side knowing very well that they are young people they have no experience but instead of giving them opportunities we just tell them that they are no opportunities and then we come and ask them for experience over 50 years it doesn't make sense at all when you're talking people are not talking about the word reward yes i'm talking about you know being rewarded because of this particular you failed in your particular you know yes that you are vying for yes is this thing political um of course being public service and of course our president is also a politician and i understand him because he has to balance many things from my young perspective we will tell him that president you need to give two or three positions to the young people but to him i know he has to balance but i think on this he got it wrong uh because yes i know you have to do some balancing um i know there are people who brought in a few votes here and there but i think the priority needs to be by merit and requirement that if i was vying for you know um saying it embo county and yes i had i have a masters or something in human resource then i i i qualify because for the case of mary wambui um actually the the national employment act uh section 10 said that you need to at least have seven years of experience in human resource she didn't have the issues not even about losing the seat but she didn't have that requirement um so i'm saying that yes you can lose the seat and you can be rewarded but let it be by merit not by simply because alex me i'm your friend and now you have appointed me uh for a particular position that you want me to be let it be by merit you have raised quite you are raising quite uh serious issues but i want to ask you ask is this issue of who knows who okay yeah it is but i guess the youth are not that much aggressive all right because the reason being that when you know most of us i'm doing that small job you get excited you know i cheated by these small small gifts you know so i guess the youth are not aggressive because you know you have been seeing what the president has been doing but still you are quiet you know should like you have not acted that they are supposed to act because i expect when you see such things even not if you have also not had at least demonstrate go on the street then you show you are isn't like you know you have the you are you are supposed to get those job but i don't get you know twitter going to facebook for me what i think is not going to help because so as for me guess there is another that much aggressive and again they are contacted with what they have they literally give them they get contacted they don't see someday future if give me this small job what about future what am i going to do you know so i guess the youth are not that much coming back to you Dan you talked about the issue of uh qualifications minus experience that's what you said my question is very simple Dan everyone is being told about experience wherever you go it's all about the experience that you got and one time living actually even given example last year firm of vice president Mudeori 91 year old was appointed to chair the sports arts and social development fund when the experimentaries they asked him at your age what exactly will you for this then he came and said don't look at my age because the the the state says i'm just here to protect the fund is the how do we handle these kind of issues well you see this word experience have been actually be used to as a catchy word to you know subject the youth is actually subjugation is is technically throwing you out of the radar so mine that is why i was very careful when i say it in we need and people have just seen you know uh merit qualification because now we have written another word merit because experience is definitely relative for me i see it's a relative term and uh if you say it for example Mary Wambu would actually say now i'm relatively experiencing this area because i have been in the government so when we we use for example you want five years experience and one of the uh issue that young people should actually begin to lobby about where do you want us to get experience in the first place we are from graduating if you don't offer us an opportunity to get that experience in these institutions you know because it's it's actually up locate how do we get that experience that is what you want but then mine as you ashering us into this institution where do we get it from so that is mia my issue is about uh do you have the will do you have the power do you have the merit do you have the qualification to do the job begin do it learn as you experienced you know right uh and then uh coming to uh what what what uh my colleagues just mentioned one of the undoing about this country is not really the fact that a number of things are happening in our watch is simply that we are not proactive in nature you know uh the point at which we must correct every form of this mistake is at our appointment at the balloting because that is the only force now young people why i begin to retract this statement is you look at countries for example like south africa we had a xenophobia issue with it but but look south africa young people are very aggressive you know when it comes to holding their leaders accountable even in the parliament you know i've you've seen clips of jack up almost running away from the parliament when it begins to serious questioning you have seen the performance of you know a and c youth league in south africa hours we are struggling to come up with the national youth council you know that is between the which is encapsulated by the government itself young people of kenya must begin like my sister has just mentioned our proactiveness nature should be taken away from social media platforms to be keyboard warriors but begin to systematically place ourselves in this institution even politics as a body the oh i saw senator sakaja you know uh you know trying so much to to to you know to ask uh madame umbe to step down in her honor right how many of these young people do we have in this position that would actually give a voice and back up senator sakaja babu oeno jagwa uh you know you know you look at these young people and ask what if instead of them being rowdy and organizing youth in militia why would they back up this particular young senator in these uh you know uh a noble initiative to begin to champion for the voices of young people when it comes to these you know appointment in these you know opportunities so i think it also begins we really need to have a conversation as young people what is the issue about youth is it youth at heart or is youth at age was it youth people who are having youth interest so i think it is it's a conversation that we should have actually men had at their conferences somewhere i think young people should actually convert somewhere and begin to have a conversation within themselves all right what is this youth all right pet petan i'd like to give you a time to respond to these what do you think yes uh first of all um i was disappointed when the president says that tuna butiam zeat we came alietu assuming that all the millions of young people we don't even have one who will be a good steward may thought that was uh it is they are true steward in terms of the young people no it's not even the old of the young uh because uh if you're saying that young person will eat all the money we have seen even old folks eating a lot of money so it's not an issue of age sigui atinimze amani kichana but i think that was discriminating the young people by saying that ni wase peke when we was awaikamali iaumavizuri i don't think that we lack young people with integrity and who can be good stewards so uh the the the fact that that he said that uh we don't have young people me i felt as a young person and looking at the government which they call the digital government meaning that it was a government for the young people i think that is going against what they made us to believe in uh during 2013 i totally believe that number one the young people should be trusted with positions and he has said how we like in the experience if i don't get the opportunities like now uh the i g the former i g josef boinez after retirement he goes to tourism c as tourism how do you even relate you know issues to do with military and um and then you go to tourism um i'm simply saying that uh they they have experienced they they keep moving uh they're at the top your peers you know minister from minister you're now uh an assistant minister ask them people we we have not been given the opportunity even to start from somewhere so i can i can assure you that in the next 30 or 20 years we will have a crisis because we'll be looking for years and this uh done people are too inexperienced so let me say this people yes because it's it's a point of concern like one of the young ladies she's in her 20s she's a peris wambu in yutu she's been appointed as a member of the nc i c from 2013 she was with the jubilee government with uh something drew with minwara rambo and the like how young people really really aggressive enough for this kind of post because you are talking about it like it's not about age and young people and they talked about the aggressiveness of young people are we really really ready to handle these offices are we aggressive for them yes we i can tell you for a fact that yes we are aggressive and if i was asked um just the way we have the two thoughts gender rule i think it is uh for the benefit of the country that any both that we have in this nation whether you have at yes we have the two thoughts gender rule at least we should you should have two young people as you prepare and zoom into them in future by aggressiveness as as young people we are very aggressive i can tell you for a fact but um we lack those opportunity so yes i'm aggressive i will try my level best to be the best i can but if i lack the opportunities then i won't go far so i'm saying that um yes we have what it takes but if we are not we are not given the opportunity then it means that that skill gap they are saying um and for them to retain work as even after 60 years it will still remain yet we have young people who are more capable and they are young people with integrity all right let me come to you uh Esther is it the right time for the young people to be given these spaces or they should wait for their time i guess this is our time you know the features now so if you believe you don't give me the opportunity now then we'll serve you tomorrow because i believe these all all of them they are going i mean i don't mean dying but they they're leaving you know we are as energetic so i believe they should mentor us no matter is it a question of time not time because this is a time because people are learning power they are out there looking for jobs so i believe like they should give us the opportunity now isn't and the youth should be ready to is how is it called to volunteer is given a job just volunteer not you know youths want a lot of money i mean the one if you give me a job with that thousand not accept but they want that job for a hundred thousand you understand so i guess it's for me like nita has been to two offices the irrigation board director and the who's the other one she's going to be done out for the ncac yeah so you see you know she's given two two two offices one person instead of giving another maybe a man for the sake of the agenda so i believe this is our time and who should be told this is our time i mean there's no tomorrow this is our time okay i'm looking at the statistics that are there in the ages well 72-year-old francis modaora as i began by saying is in charge of 72 actually yes is in charge of kenya revenue authority which has been extended by three years from today and now going down national assembly all right let me just go straight miruwambui 69 as you guys said kriso bures 75 look going to matuwamai 79 beth mugo 79 and the numbers can go all the way down even to 69 my question is does the government care about the retirement age or it's just a matter of stipulated in the constitution okay i think in the pension arts it's it's voluntary if i'm not wrong it's voluntary retirement age so you you can't be forced alex to me figure 60 now you should go huma it's voluntary that's why you're having 72-year-olds 90-year-olds and soon you will have 110-year-olds still with these positions because it's voluntary i think it needs to be mandatory but but then again there's this other side that a 60-year-old is still young and very energetic which which i believe but ikifika 70 may think now we are going to the extreme so i totally believe that we should start as early as from 20 or from 30 years so that we can you know nacha and get the best of young people because most of these people yes they have experience but they lack the passion i can tell you if you put an old person in charge of sports it's not the same he won't or she won't have the same passion as python has i'm seeing issues to do with sports because i can tell you for a fact we had the netball team in south africa i mean if if i'm a young minister you know i have a heart and a passion for sports i can't allow some things you know to happen in my tena that you've gone somewhere you are your your your bills haven't been paid and you're representing the national team so i think yes they may have the experience but even the vision and the passion they completely lack so i think it's beyond the paperwork and saying that yes i have done this and this to exactly what can you do if you're putting a certain board and i think that's what the young people are bringing in just the same way they're bringing the private sector bringing those innovative ways and you know a new kind of doing things that's what we need actually in the government but if we won't have young people in the government we'll still have the same conventional way of doing things as we have been doing them in the 75 in the 80 uh even in the next 50 years because an old with all due respect uh an old person alex atakuta na fresh ideas it up what this is what we've been doing as it was in the beginning so it is now and it will be forever but between now the young generation the old one and i think that's why we need to be very aggressive because we have so much to offer but if we are not organized as young people we will still miss those opportunities because i can tell you that this um uh because of the political factor we can still point fingers what to put here kazi but if us ourselves um are not um proactive enough also to get in government and form government to takatu apa in this interview we will complain and tomorrow i can tell you because this is not the last we are not seeing it for the last time i can assure you next month or next year there's somebody who is who is old who is going to be elected it's until we form government is until we be on the table of making decisions that's when we're going to see actually um actual change thank you python because we have raised one of the questions that you have you have raised one of the situations that i wonder as to raise let me come to that what best can the government do he has talked about the young people coming to the table and offering themselves true passion and vision what can the government do to ensure that it mentors its own young people well but i think uh one of the things that happens uh is the incoming of the cbc it's one of the things that i like about matters of education because everybody needs an education as a basic right that is the transition that young people go through uh but uh one of the things is now we begin to look at young people as all round you know having skills you know in competence so that once somebody graduate you do not have a problem of skills mismatch you definitely qualify for what you know you've learned in what you have an experience of passion over so that means that you can practice it and have income with it but again it is a gross violation of the constitution of kenya where the constitution compelled that in the formation of each and every government each and every institution it must have an outlook it must be diverse in its nature age being inclusive gender being inclusive you know all other things but you actually see in the composition of inner disappointments it violates the principles of diversity which include the young people need so i think it's it's just a matter of compelling the government holding the government to account like my sister said apart from us making noise in social media why now could we have even you know a battery of young lawyers moving into courts and beginning to you know trying to turn down these appointments making sure that young people are included but again lastly which jagu has done he has gone to the court seeking for determined it's to be reduced to 15 but now you see you see it's a matter of benevolence sometimes you know like he's quoted an act that you know matters of retirement is matters of voluntary how would you compel you know that is also another gap we are having the lakuna that we are having in the law so i think for me what would the government do versus what can we do as young people is first of all do we have a strong institutions that are young people oriented the kenya young parliamentarians association for example you know these strong student bodies like we have in the 90s do we have it right now for the for the interest of time i'd like just to give you 30 seconds each to begin with asda i would like you to address the young people what's what's it take for the young people what do you tell the young people i just want you to look at the camera uh what i would like to tell my our young people is that they don't die their hearts and they don't give up just keep pushing but you have to act and we don't wait for the government to come and give you jobs you know just go start your own self employment and just go get yourself a job i mean start these small businesses then one day one time get somewhere all right we don't like to address the government what do you think the government should do um article 55 of the constitution says that the state must provide measures and also affirmative action to ensure that the youth access employment and one of the places that we can get employment is in the boards and government agency and i believe that uh that's an opportunity that the government has and so in every board in every state agency there needs to be representation of the young people that way we'll give them opportunity they'll be able to mentor them and that way in the next few years we will not have a gap of leadership uh in the government or any government agencies all right and of course to finish it all up down i'd like you to address both young people and the government within 30 seconds within 30 seconds i think first of all let me begin with kibra uh what what what we just saw in the clip young people elections come and go kibra remains so one of the things that you need to practice is vigilance and you have the right to vote and go back at home and because it shouldn't be used for violence purposes and for young people generally in kenyan i think article 35 again uh provides for uh the equal political participation for young people go one of the probable things we could do as young people's have a very strong youth oriented political parties that we are able to negotiate with you know our opportunities in the government lastly food shelter clothing job is enshrined in article 43 those are the basic rights within the constitution and it doesn't matter which government is there at the end of the day it has the prerequisite authority to provide the citizens including young people with the basic right it's not a matter of uh you know of of of how it is it is within it is it is a requirement it is it is a right for young people all right thanks for everyone there has been down or rongo who is the weather consulting director and former kibra aspirant right next to him has been of course python um shoku is the director of vijana wo gozi right next to me is uh asda irong who is the marunga county university's vice chair thanks so very much guys for making time to be together with us and trying to demystify the mystery behind all these well my name is garanja alex many thanks for keeping us company and of course keeping us going it's always a pleasure to have you on board valley is coming up next month crush monday don't go anywhere this is why 254 thanks so much


Your family theater presents Eddie Bracken, Kathy O'Donnell, and Branch Rickey to the Scouts, starring Eddie Bracken with Kathy O'Donnell. To introduce the drama, your host, Branch Rickey. Thank you, Gene. We on family theater welcome our stars, Eddie Bracken and Kathy O'Donnell, to our stage in a story that is close to my heart, because I've been around the game of baseball for a pretty long time. Long enough to have a deep-seated respect for the sport and for the men who participate in it. Men like Lou Gehrig, Monty Stratton, George Sissler, Honest Wagner, and the Mighty Babe, who've given to it so many fine traditions of honesty and integrity and courage. Men such as Skip Welch, whose story you'll hear tonight. No, no, you won't find Skip's name in any World Series lineup. And it doesn't appear in any of the Major League record books. Yet, in my humble opinion, Skip was as great a big league ball player as they come. The reason why? Well, suppose I just begin the story for him and let him carry on from there. It was some years ago in a small Midwestern town of Rawson that a group of intent, wide-eyed boys from the local orphan asylum was gathered at the town's ball field. A grinning, cocky young fella in the uniform of Rawson's Monter League ball club was talking to them. And believe me, they weren't missing a single word he was saying. All right, fellas, the hit-and-run is on. Now, you're tearing down toward second base. Chuck, let's see how you slide into that bag. Come on. Okay, Skip, you're on. Well, you slid in hard, all right, Chuck. What's the idea coming up with your feet waving in the air like that? My gosh, I figure if I got spikes on my shoes and I chop to the second basement that way, maybe we'll get scared and won't be able to make a double play. Yeah, and maybe you'll spike the guy, maybe cut a tendon in his leg and finish him as a ball player. Gee, I never thought of it that way. You got to think of it that way. When you slide into base, just slide hard, sure, but clean. That's the way a real ball play always plays. Hard but clean. Remember that if you want to be a big leaguer someday. Boy, a big leaguer. Wouldn't that be something? Skip's going to be a big leaguer someday. Ain't you Skip? Well, where'd you get that cock-eyed idea, Chuck? Why, Skip, you're the best pitcher Rawson ever had. Everybody knows that. Well, that's a fine vote of confidence, Chuck, but there's a well of a lot of difference between winning games for a bush-league team and playing in the majors. Let's get back to coaching now. Let's say the hit-and-run worked okay, see? And, uh-oh, there's the station wagon for you. Well, that's all for today. On the double, the last one there is a bush-league. And don't forget what I told you about sliding in the second. You betcha, Skip, slide in hard. Yeah, but clean, Ed, don't forget that. You got to play clean, Skip says so. That's right, Chuck. Yeah, come on, let's go.  Swell kids. Kind of like them, do you, Skip? Oh, Barry. Hey, when did you sneak in, sweetheart? A few minutes ago. I thought I'd better check up and see if those boys are taking you away from me yet. Are you kidding? There's nothing we'll ever take first place ahead of you, honey, and don't you ever forget it. You better say that if you know what's good for you.   That's crazy, so I'm coaching them at baseball, so what?  They know you came from the same orphanage once, too.  And from what I've seen, they have a real right to. Hey, for Pete's sake, how did we get caught off base like this? You know it's getting late. And my inner man says it's time to eat. Are you asking me to share a snack with you? I'm asking. Then I'm a sharing. Well, let's get moving, sweetheart.  Oh, what's so special about it, Skip?  And if they tell me what I figured they're going to tell me, well. Skip, you don't mean. Look, all I'm saying that, well, if they do, you and me, well, we have some important talking to do. You betcha, Miss Collins. Plenty important. Well, it was a big day, all right, in more ways than one. And when it was all over, Mary and I had our little talk on the front porch of the Collins home, only it wasn't exactly the way I figured it would be. You pitched a wonderful game today, Skip. What's so wonderful about it? Because I won? Didn't see any scouts come up to me afterwards, did you? Nobody offered me any dotted line to sign, did they? Oh, don't be so disappointed, Skip, honey. Being a big league baseball player isn't everything. Isn't it? Well, it's kind of late to tell me that. It's all I've eaten and breathed and dreamed about all my life, that's all. I know, Skip, but just remember this. You don't need to be a big league ball player to make you important to those boys at the asylum, or to me. Yeah, that sounded fine. Sounded swell, only I wasn't kidding myself. Kids don't pick failures as their heroes. And I wasn't asking Mary to tie herself up to life to a Bush Liga who never earned more than a two-bit salary. I was feeling pretty low, and when I walked home that night, maybe that's why I didn't hear him come up to me when he spoke. Still interested in that big league contract, Skip? Where did you come from? Oh, I've been following you for some time, Skip, watching your progress, keeping an eye on you. What are you talking about? Who are you, anyway? Why, I guess you'd call me a scout. A scout? Hey, you don't mean from one of the big leagues? Well, there are only two big leagues. I represent one of them. Then that crack you made about, was I still interested in the contract, that was on the level? You're serious? I'm quite serious, Skip. If you sign with me, I'll guarantee that you'll be pitching major league ball within a year. You interested?  Well, maybe you'd better hear my terms first. There'd be a personal contract just between the two of us. Well, I haven't heard anything so tough so far. What else? You'd have to let me coach you, play the game my way, right down the line. Well, as long as it's baseball, I'll play it next. And you'd have to understand that when you're playing for me, winning is all that matters. They don't give contracts to losing, Pitches. Is that clearly agreed? Oh, sure. You haven't thrown me a curve yet. That's fine, Skip. Well, that's all for now. Good night. Good night. Hey, wait a minute, wait a minute. I haven't signed that contract yet. Haven't you? Well, don't worry about it. You'll find that our little verbal agreement is binding enough. Good night, Skip. Well, that was the way I met him. Kind of a screwy guy, sounded like to me. But if he could get me into the big leagues, he could have more screws loose than the Model A Ford and I'd still love him. I was feeling like a million bucks when I hustled out to the ballpark the next morning to give Chuck and the boys their regular quotient session. I was early. They hadn't gotten me yet. But someone else had. Good morning, Skip. Hey, the scout, what you doing out here this hour? A good manager always checks up on his property, Skip. Huh? Oh, I get it. Well, I coach some kids out here, Scout. Some of them are pretty good, too. Might make some pretty good material for you in a couple of years. Yes, I have high hopes for that, Skip. But you're all through coaching here. I'm all through coaching? What do you mean, Scout?  Twisted ankle, a broken finger, sore arm. Your value is gone. Now I don't take chances like that with my property. From now on, you don't touch a baseball unless you're paid for it. I think you understand. No, I didn't understand. Matter of fact, I was pretty burned up about that property gag. And I wasn't figuring on stopping coaching with Chuck and the boys for nobody. So I started telling him off. Then it happened, the thing that kept happening to me after that. He was smiling at me like he'd done the night before on my way home. I seemed to hear him say something. There'll be a personal contract between the two of us, Skip. I think you'll find our little verbal agreement is binding enough. All of a sudden, everything he said made sense. I'd be a sucker taking any chances on an accident. I was heading for the big leagues. Why, he guaranteed it.  I saw Mary again that night. I was all set to spring the big news on her. Only she opened up on me first. Skip, why did you stop coaching the boys? Well, how did you?  Yes. He said some scout was there who talked you out of it. Because you were valuable property. Yeah, yeah, that's right, Mary. You see, I've.  Well. Who need the kind of coaching you can give them. Oh, look, Mary, you don't get it. The scout guaranteed me a major league contract inside of a year. But I've got to work for it, concentrate on it. I can't take any chances of anything going wrong. Can't you see? I can't let anything get in my way now, can I? I can't. Is that something this scout said too? Well, what if it is? What about guys like Feller and Greenberg, Hubbell and Marion? Do you think those guys could have made it if they didn't have ambition and drive without doing it the hard way? No, Skip, I'm sure they did it the hard way. But I'll bet they did it the clean way too. What's that supposed to mean? They had control of themselves and their ambitions. Oh, Skip, I'm afraid your ambition has control of you. So now you think I'm a screw loose dope with one foot on a cloud and the other in a bucket? No, Skip, no. It's just that I'm afraid, Skip. Please don't listen to that scout anymore. Please forget about making the big league that way. Please, Skip, for our sakes, please. Couldn't figure it. Just didn't make sense. Here I thought she'd get as excited over the good news as I was. She called my home run a foul ball. I couldn't figure it. I tried to forget Mary and concentrate on baseball. The scout was working with me all the time, advising me, coaching me. And everything he told me, just like when I brushed off Chuck and the boys, everything made sense. I started learning fast. There was that game with the red shirts. A couple of errors behind me put me in a tough spot. Men on base and the league's leading hitter waiting at the plate. The manager came out to the mound from the dugout to talk to me. What do you think, Skip? He's a tough baby. Yeah, he'll get what he don't like. I can pitch to him. Maybe. What are you figuring? Something low and inside? Yeah, yeah, low and inside. Get back there. I'll pitch to him. Low and inside, and that's. He'll get what the scout told me to give him.  That'll drive him back, Skip. That'll loosen him up. So I pitched to him. I gave him one on the inside all right, right at his head. That boy's finished for this game. Yeah, if he ain't finished for good. OK, we won the game, and others too. Like the one with the golden bees. It was the last half of the ninth. Score tied, one out.  Almost anything meant the winning run now. Anything but a double play.  The pitcher told the rubber, loved the ball, looked at me over his shoulder, and then he threw to the plate, and I started tearing toward second. The hit and run was on, and the batter took a swing. Saw the play out of the corner of my eye. I deep grounded a short. The shortstop threw it to second, one out. And the second baseman started his pivot to the throw to first, and if he made it, it was a double play, and then I heard the scout. Break up that double play, Skip. If you have to give him the spikes, break it up, Skip, the spikes. I went into second, sliding hard with my razor-edge spikes cutting across the baseman's legs. In that game too, it's just like the scout said. You have to play to win, Skip. The big leagues are waiting. Play to win, Skip. That's all that counts. Play to win, Skip. Play to win. Play to win. And I was winning too. 13 out of my next 15 starts. Winding up the season with 27 wins and only four losses. How good can a pitcher be? So maybe I beamed a few guys who wouldn't back away. Maybe a couple of second basemen needed a few leg stitches for spike wounds. Maybe the fans were starting to boom me, and the other guys on the club were giving me the cold shoulder. So what? Like the scout said. What are you, Skip? You're not going to be here forever. Win those ball games and you'll move on. That's all that counts, winning those ball games. I hadn't seen Mary all that time. I talked myself into thinking that it made no difference. Didn't bother me. Then it was the day before the last game of the season, the game we needed to cinch the pennant. I was going to pitch that game, and I was in my hotel room studying the batting order, figuring my strategy when there was a knock on the door. I opened it. Hello, Skip. Mary. Hiya, Skip. Chuck, I'm Mary. Come in, come in. Sit down, sit down. Thanks. She'll look nice, Mary. Thank you, Skip. You too, Chuck. Bet you've grown a foot since I last saw you. I'm playing any ball. You bet I have. Our team won the school league pennant, Skip. I was the pitcher. We skunked everybody. Oh, boy, that's well. Yeah, it was the coaching you had given us before you. Why didn't you tell him about the rally, Chuck? What rally is that? Well, gee, Skip, Miss Counts was going to give us a picnic up in the mountains today.  Well, that sounds great. Sure, you bet. Only we felt as God talking about it, and well, usually the guy who fixed it us so we could win, and, ah, gosh, Miss Counts, you tell him. Of course, Chuck. What the boys want to do, Skip, is to make that picnic a good luck rally for you. They want to call it the Skip Welch Big League Rally, and they'd like to have you there as guest of honor. You mean that after all, they still think enough of me to win one? What do you say, Skip? You'll come with us, won't you? Gee, the fellas all want to see you real bad. Well, Skip? Sure. Sure, you bet I'll come. You just bet I will. The picnic grounds were back up in the mountains. It was quiet there and peaceful with nobody around. And after the fellas and I sort of got acquainted again, they went off exploring trails, and Mary and I were alone. It was the first time in a long time, and, well, I felt kind of funny. I hope you didn't mind too much coming out here today. Oh, no, no. It was OK with me, Mary. Tell me the big leagues will all be big in bidding for your services after tomorrow's game, Skip. So you've accomplished what you set out to do. It's not every man who can say that. I guess that's right. Proves something to you, too, hasn't it? I think it has, Skip. It's proved you've won your goal and lost yourself. Proved that I'd. So we're on that merry-go-round again. I don't think we've ever been off at Skip. Well, I'm getting off at right now. Here I figured that after I show you I could get where I was heading my way, you'd listen to reason. Well, I was going to rush out to your house tomorrow after things were settled and ask you to marry me. I'll be very happy to marry you. Well, you would be very happy to. I should have said that long ago, I guess. It's really been my fault what happened to us. I don't get it. Well, I let you battle this thing by yourself, Skip, instead of helping. When I read in the papers about the way you were playing, well, I should have gone to you right then. But maybe it's too late now. Maybe you don't really want me now. Mary, honey, won't you? Gosh, I've won't. Sweetheart, you just wait and see. Everything's going to be fine. Skip, that's Ed. Something's wrong. Here, Ed. Over here. What's the trouble? Step, Step, it's Chuck. Help, Skip. It's Chuck. What about him, Ed? What happened? He fell over the side of the canyon. He's lying way down there. Skip, I'm scared he's dead. I tore over to where Ed told me. Down below, maybe 60, 50 feet was a tiny ledge. Beyond it, nothing but thin air for another couple of hundred. Chuck was barely lying on that ledge. He wasn't moving. Skip, what can we do? I'm going down there after him. Ed, look, there's a forest ranger station a couple of miles up the trail. Get there fast and tell him for Pete's sake to get back with help before it's too late. You better get out of here. It was pretty tough going, nothing but loose rock. Kept sliding out from under my feet, but I finally got there, just above Chuck. I braced myself, wrapped one arm around an iron wood tree, reached down and managed to hook the fingers of my freehand on the Chuck's belt. Then the whole ledge gave way under it. Hung I was hanging there, one arm wrapped around that tree, the other holding on the Chuck's belt. But a solid weight was straining at my arm, pulling at it, tearing at it as though it was going to be yanked right out of my shoulders. Then after a while, I was like in a daze, a dream. Voices were coming out of that dream. Voices. What do you think you're doing, Skip? Playing hero, let go of him while you still got a chance to climb back yourself. Hang on, Skip. Hang on. Help's coming. It's gone to get help.  The boy's dead. You're just ruining your arm that way. Let go. No, darling, no. Remember what we said about the boys?    No big leagues, no money, no job and baseball for the rest of your life. And what good are you doing, hanging onto a dead boy? You can't be sure he's dead, Skip. You can't be sure. Of course you're sure. Drop him, Skip. Drop him. No, Skip. No. Drop him. Hang on, darling. Drop him. Hang on. Drop him. Drop him. Drop him. I guess I couldn't sleep last night, Doctor. Tell me how is he? Chuck? Well, that fall was a pretty bad one, Mary. There was severe shock, several fractures, internal injuries. And that means? But kids are strangely hardy, animals, Mary. Chuck's going to be all right. And Skip, Doctor. What about him? Well, you know, of course, that his arm is ruined. He'll never be able to play baseball again. I was afraid of that. How he ever managed to send the terrific pain he must have suffered, I'll never know. Talk about your torture, Rax. Why, he- Doctor. Yes, Mary? You still haven't answered my real question. How is he? I don't know. I had to tell him, of course. Ever since he's been lying in that room, staring up the ceiling, not saying a word. I think you'd better go in and see him, Mary. Yes, I'll go right away. Thank you, Doctor. Good morning, Miss Collins.  So you recognize me? I think I'd recognize you anywhere. Yes. Yes, I imagine someone like you could do that. What do you want with me? Nothing, except to congratulate you on your victory? I don't think I understand. Of course you do. You know I was doing quite well with Skip, until you threw your weapons on his side. My weapons?  You know very well what they are. Though you used them late, you employed them very effectively. The victory's yours. Rather hollow one, isn't it? Skip's arm ruined. His future gone. It's not much of a victory. Goodbye, Miss Collins. I won't be seeing you again. Hello, Skip. Hello, Mary. How are you feeling? Well, my arm is shot, you know. I won't be pitching any ball games. Yes, I know. There'll be no big leagues for Skip Welch. No crowd yelling my name. That won't make any difference to you, will it? Why should it, Skip? Never did before. Yeah. Yeah, I remember you told me that, didn't you? Funny thing, Mary, I wasn't going to make the big leagues anyway. Why, of course you weren't. No, no. I talked to the manager of our club on the phone this morning before he knew about my arm. He said the big leagues didn't want me. They weren't interested in a bean ball pitcher, and guys who were spike happy. Funny, isn't it? I was on the wrong track all the time. But you told me that, too, Mary. Skip, what are your plans, Skip, for the future? Well, I was always a pretty good mechanic. I guess I can get a job at Randall's garage. And there's time for coaching the boys, too. One of these days, Chuck's is going to make the big leagues the right way. Skip, I'm sure he will. There's one more thing, that in a man of mine, he's got plans, too. Sharing my heart and my future and my life. Would you be asking me to share, then, Skip? I'm asking, Mary. Then I'm sharing, darling, everything for all time. Years in our country, sport has been part of the whole educational program. And in our schools, an integral part of the curriculum. Managers and coaches considered themselves builders of character. But the professional emphasis, the win at any price idea, has swept character building almost out of the picture. Now the tale frequently seems to wag the dog, and character building is laughed at as being no part of the definition of education. Well, I'm old-fashioned enough not to go for that. We who believe in the objectives of the family theater have in mind telling boys and girls and folks everywhere that there's more to living and striving for material things, fame or money or whatnot. And there is more to sport and winning at any price. It's not easy for a Skip Welch to seek first things first unless he has some contact or knowledge of contact with the source of values. That source is in the church, the school, and above all, the home. Good sportsmanship is not basically learned on the competitive play fields. Not there. The boy had it from within himself long before he knew a formal competitor. Not honors, but honor probably came to him as a slogan of effort from his mother's knees and not from any experience with bean balls on a play field. I have the most tender recollection of the few minutes after supper in my childhood in that old country home on the bareboard floor as my father and my mother led in family prayer. Yes, we'll have better young men and women, better homes, and a better nation and a better world. When more people realize that the family that prays together stays together.  Family Theater has brought you Eddie Bracken and Kathy O'Donnell in the scout written by Sidney Marshall with Branch Ricky as your host. Music was composed and conducted by Harry Zimmerman and the production was directed for Family Theater by Jaime Dovalli. This series of Family Theater broadcast is made possible by the thousands of you who have felt the need for this type of program and by the mutual network which has responded to this need. This is Gene Baker inviting you to join us next week at the same time when Dan Dury-A will introduce the Postmistress of Law Run by Brett Hart. Join us, won't you? This is the Mutual Broadcasting System.


My name is Salman Khan and I'm with People for the Pavilion. We work to kind of raise awareness about the New York State Pavilion structure and help people reimagine what it could be in the future. We launched this competition with the National Trust for Historic Preservation and the goal really was to kind of help people to imagine this as something other than an abandoned structure. We partnered with local organizations, Ibrido's Collective and RPG Studios to kind of do some on-the-ground programs to connect people with designers or planners or architects and help them to represent their ideas. The Pavilion was a great opportunity to really reimagine the potential of the space given that it's technically been abandoned since the early 70s. It shows the possibility of what that space could be if the community were to get involved and reimagine it for the future. When we bring the people self-tomorrow to public spaces we engage communities by asking the simple question like, anything goes. So from there we invite committee members to start imagining the space by using simple tools like crayons and colored pencils. It's really exciting to hear what somebody's vision for the tent of tomorrow is and then to kind of help them visually see that and to work with them to get that vision the way they want and to me that's really important. I mean, the fact that you have 3D printers, virtual reality deploy those two tools together alone with the imagination of the public that gives them very good ideas. Okay, this is my rooftop store plan idea. The giant roll call today surrounded this whole park. This area is going to be a garden. It's going to be split into 3 areas. Penguin waterslides where people can see penguin having fun like playing on the water slide. We had some idea for the small kids which is the bumpy course. They can turn it too hard over to our museum with sports. This is the cupcake of fun. The goal really is to kind of raise people's awareness and get people excited about the possibilities. Engaging folks to reimagine how spaces could serve their needs and creating a process for their input. We're really, really excited to engage in those conversations around the pavilion. That's exactly the kind of excitement that we're trying to generate with this project.