Okay, so in this session, we'll further things that we, some of the learnings that we get from all these five instances of people being filled with the spirit and, you know, so what else do we learn? What else do we learn from these five instances that we studied in the book of Acts? That Holy Spirit cannot be, cannot be bought. Okay, so in other words, you know, it's not something that we, that we need to do in order to, you know, to see in the sense, our performance, or we cannot earn, you know, we cannot, we are not entitled, you know, saying, okay, I'm living in this way, so therefore I'm entitled to have this. So the gift of the Holy Spirit is by faith, as we see. Okay, what else? Anything else? Baster, can I say something? Online students, okay, we learned that Holy Spirit is unique. Okay, can you expand on that? Daniel, from these five instances, what causes you to come to that conclusion that he is unique? No doubt he is, just curious, what really, what did you observe that caused you to, you know, make that statement. Okay, Holy Spirit is for everyone and who believe in Jesus, yes, everyone, all believers, no partiality between experienced, inexperienced, yeah, yeah, what else? Right, so every time we read about the baptism of the Holy Spirit, something supernatural happens, right, yeah, that's true, yeah. And from what we see these five instances, the supernatural occurrence seems to be the gift of tongues, right, yeah, okay, Nina, John, they spoke in tongues, that's true. Okay, and we see that they also prophesied, right, in Ephesians, we see when Paul lays hands and prays, sorry, in Ephesus, what we read about in Acts chapter 17, we see that they also prophesied. What else? Right, so, two things, right, so what Richard is saying is that, okay, it's not by our own ability, right, that is true, that the Holy Spirit, he is the one who gives us the utterance, but we are the ones who speak it. Okay, so we can't manufacture or we can't learn, right, the gift of tongues, we can't learn, we can't manufacture, but then, at the same time, you know, it is both the supernatural act which involves the natural. Okay, why do we say that? Because the Holy Spirit gives the words, but, or the utterance, but it is we who speak, it is the disciples who spoke out, right, that is something. Okay, let's look at, you know, if you, okay, there's, I mean, unique because whoever received the Holy Spirit, the five instances were different from one another. Okay, so the people were different, but it is the same Holy Spirit. Okay, thank you, Daniel. Okay, let's look at chapter three, some common questions that we might have about the, you know, about the whole thing, whole aspect of baptism of the Holy Spirit and praying in tongues and all that, some questions we might have. Okay, the first one is what Anand asked, right, see, in John chapter 20, right, the Lord Jesus says, He breathes on them, and He says receive the Holy Spirit, right. So what was that? If this was baptism of the Holy Spirit that Jesus talked about, so what was that when He breathed on them? Okay, so we see in Genesis one, I think, or, you know, where God breathes, and it says that man became a living being. Okay, now accept, yeah, accept the two verse seven, the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living being. There we see that he became a living being in the sense physically, spiritually, everything he became a living being, right, some versions say he became a living soul. So every time God breathes, he imparts life, right. So when Jesus breathed, this happened after he rose again, he breathed on the disciples. And what we can infer is that he imparted life to them, right, that there, something which was dead came alive. What was it? Their spirit man, right, the spirit man which was dead came alive. So we can say that they were born again. They walked with Jesus, but Jesus now he is dead, buried alive, buried, came alive, and now he breathes on them saying receive the Holy Spirit. We can say, okay, they were born again at that time. That's the only thing that we can conclude, we can infer, they were born again at that time. But now, see being born again also is a work of the spirit, right, work of the Holy Spirit. Yes, we can say okay, it's a work of the Holy Spirit. I don't think we can say anything more than that, right, okay. But I just want to look at two other scriptures in the same light. We say, okay, when we are born again, we have the Holy Spirit in us, right. So that's the thing. People say we already have the Holy Spirit, then what is the need for this baptism? I already have the Holy Spirit, right, okay. So John chapter 4 and verse 13 to 14, this is what the Lord says, whoever drinks of this water will thirst again in his conversation with the woman at the well, right. But whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life, okay. So he's talking about everlasting life in the believer because of something that he does or something that he gives, okay. Then we go to John chapter 7, okay, verses 37 to 39. John chapter 7 verses 37 to 39. On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out saying, if anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water, okay. John chapter 4 is talking about the spring. Here he's talking about a river, he's talking about a fountain, he's talking about a river. What is the difference? What is the difference between a fountain and a river or a spring and a river? The most obvious difference is the quantum of water, the volume of water, right. So here, this fountain is just for the believer. He says that he'll become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. He will never thirst again. He doesn't have to go search for any other place for meaning, contentment, you know, it's done there. The work is done. But John chapter 7, when he talks about the water, now this water he says will out of his heart will flow or out of his belly will flow rivers, multiple rivers. He's talking about large volumes of water flowing out and obviously rivers, you know, wherever the river go, rivers flow, there is life, there is civilization. So a lot of good things happen. So he's talking about other lives being touched influence. So this is it. We can say John chapter 4 is about being born again, the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life, sanctification, consecration, spiritual maturity, Christlikeness, all that is happening, fruit of the Holy Spirit. John chapter 7 is talking about the work of the Holy Spirit proceeding from the believer who is filled with the Holy Spirit, which is touching others' lives, ministry, touching other people's lives, ministering power and deliverance and signs and wonders and miracles and so on. So we see both this. So indwelling, yes, when we believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. We read that in Ephesians chapter 2, I think.  And we believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. The Holy Spirit indwells us. That is why we as believers, we are convicted when we sin, right? When we experience the joy of the Lord, the peace of God and so on. But there is a difference. The same believer, the Lord wants that believer to be baptized in the Holy Spirit so that reverse can flow. And our life can be a life of witnessing with power. Power, when we say power, it's not our physical ability. It's not our natural talent, but it's the work of the Holy Spirit, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, right? Displayed through the believer. Okay, so does it help? Yeah, okay. So then another question. What about 1 Corinthians 12 and verse 13? In 1 Corinthians 12 verse 13, we see by one spirit, we were all baptized into one body. By one spirit, we were baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks or the slaves or free, we've all been made to drink into one spirit. So we've already been baptized. So what is the need for another baptism in the Holy Spirit? Okay, well, it's true. When we look at this whole aspect of baptism, there are three baptisms, not just one, three. One is baptism in water, right? We are baptized in water. The second one is what we see here that we are all baptized or placed in the spiritual body of Christ. When we become believers, we are part of the spiritual body of Christ. And the third one that we see is baptism in the Holy Spirit, baptism with the Holy Spirit. So Bible talks about all these different kinds of baptism, three specifically, water, baptized in the body of Christ and baptized in the Holy Spirit, right? Okay. Another question, why tongues? Why can't it be something else? Why can't it be anything else? Why is it tongues? Why is it something that God would do it this way when the Holy Spirit baptizes people, right? Why? Well, that is how God has designed it. That is how God has designed it. It's His plan in His wisdom. But when we look at the benefits, when we look at what the gift of tongues does for us, then we begin to understand where God in His wisdom has really designed it so that it benefits the believer. We are blessed. And that's the end. It's not for confusion, creating confusion, right? It's because of the flesh. There's a lot of confusion, but that the believer might be blessed, edified, effective, strong, all those reasons. So He has designed this whole thing of tongues. So then another question, is tongues the only evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit? What do you think? Yes or no? Yeah? No? First of all, we have other gifts of the Holy Spirit as well.  Okay. So Rinchen says no. I'll ask Jeffhina, why did Rinchen say no? Okay, Rinchen, yeah. No, is the gift of tongues the only evidence or is it the evidence of a believer being filled with the Holy Spirit? We just looked at five instances. So, okay, Shani says no speaking in tongues. So Shani, what is your answer actually? It's not the only evidence? Oh, I'm sorry, I got a little confused. You were saying is speaking in tongues the only... Increase the laptop volume. Okay. Sure. Yeah. No, no, no. The thing is, okay, somebody's trying to... Okay. Sure. Does anybody want to ask a question? If you want to ask a question, you can do that. You can unmute and speak and online students. Okay. Or you can just post it on the chat, right? Okay. Yeah, John, I've actually... Okay. So Shani, yeah.  I'm sorry. So what was your question is speaking in tongues the only gift the Baptist in the Holy Spirit? Was that your question? Yeah. So is speaking in tongues the only evidence or other... Sorry, is speaking in tongues the evidence for the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Yes. Yeah, the answer is yes. So if the question is, is speaking in tongues the only evidence of baptism of the Holy Spirit? Well, the answer is yes in a way, yes, because we see that that is happening. But also we know that it could be more than the gift of tongues also, right? The last instance that we saw in Acts chapter 17 that people also prophesied, right? They spoke in tongues and they prophesied. So we can conclude by saying all the gifts of the Spirit can actually be manifest at the time of baptism of the Holy Spirit, right? Because we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and all the gifts of the Holy Spirit are resident within the Holy Spirit who comes and dwells in us and baptizes us. So there are no limits, right? But in these five instances, it is specifically, it talks about the gift of tongues. It talks about prophecy and the other places where it's not mentioned. I will briefly infer that yes, this seems to be the gift of tongues is the most common. There could be other gifts also. We can be open to that. But since we see this gift of tongues is the most common one, we encourage every believer. So that's the thing. If you say gift of tongues need not be, if you tell me that then I'll be satisfied. I will not pursue. I will not desire this. I'm satisfied, right? But the fact is that it's God's desire that all of us walk in it. Okay. Someone else? Yeah, Shani, please. So I just want to make sure I understand. So some might receive the baptism of Holy Spirit and not necessarily speaking tongues. They can have, like you said, to get the prophecy. Is that what you're saying? That they have to give a prophecy and not necessarily speaking tongues. Am I correct? I want to make sure I understand you. So in the sense that people could be prophesying also prophesying and maybe initially they don't see the gift of tongues, but that's no reason why they should not pursue and also walk in the gift of tongues. Okay. Okay. Because in Paul's case, we don't see, I mean, it's not mentioned that he prayed in tongues immediately, right? It's not mentioned. He could have. He may not have, but eventually we know that he did pray in tongues because we see this whole, you know, in 1 Corinthians 12, 13, 14, the whole thing is about how to, in the church or for the believer, how we need to function in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Right. And so we know that. And I'm saying very categorically in 1 Corinthians 14 verse 18 that I speak in tongues more than you all. Right. So we know that he eventually ended up praying in tongues. So it should not stop us. Or if we are teaching others, we should also encourage and say, Hey, this is for you. Don't stop.  Okay. Yeah. One more question. Oh, okay. Jeff, in the chat, is it? Okay. Is this correct? Speaking in tongues is a language that only understood to God and not to the people. Okay. Just one second. I think Nisha goes. So can there be other Holy Spirit signs with the Holy Spirit baptism? Yes. It is possible. Other signs, meaning other gifts, other manifestations of the spirit. Yes. Definitely. Maybe there could be a vision. Maybe there are other things that are mentioned in scripture or the other nine gifts. John blessy speaking tongues is a language that only is understood by God. Right. It's a language that people cannot understand. Well, when we, when we study the gift of tongues, we see that there is also the interpretation of tongues. Right. So the Holy Spirit can give cause me to speak or praying tongues and then there is the gift of interpretation of tongues. So, so what I pray, what I speak for another person receives the interpretation through the Holy Spirit. Right. It's possible as well. Okay. I think Nina has mentioned the same thing. Okay. For the ones who do not speak in tongues, then does it infer that if we are not baptized by the Holy Spirit? No, we cannot infer that. How would you know if you're baptizing the Holy Spirit? Interesting question. Thanks Achille Fred. Okay. Okay. This baptism of the Holy Spirit is by faith. Right. Is by faith. We receive by faith. Faith in what? Faith in God's word. Faith in the fact that he, the Lord Jesus is the baptizer. We understand that he is not partial. We understand that it is, this is for everybody. So we go in faith. We go with the expectation. The only qualification is that I, the, I've received Jesus into my heart. That's the only qualifier that is the only thing that qualifies us. And we go with the expectation. And that's it. Right. So we, so how do we, so, so when we have baptized, yes, we expect all these gifts to be operational and especially what we see in scripture, the gifts of tongues. Now, for some reason, we could have a wrong understanding. We could have our own expectation of how the tongue should work. Right. And, and probably we don't get started right away. That doesn't mean that we are not baptized in the Holy Spirit or filled with the Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean that. So I just share one personal experience is when, when somebody prayed over me and I got filled with the Holy Spirit, I did not immediately pray in tongues. I had my own understanding of it. Maybe this is how it will work. And, and the, and the thing mistake with me was, is this wrong understanding was this, that God will somehow speak. Right. God will speak that I don't have to do anything.  He'll open my mouth. He will cost me to speak. Well, the Bible is very clear that he will give the words and words are sounds, utterances, and I need to speak it out. So those, those kind of things. So I hope that answers the first part. So how would you know it is by faith? Sometimes we feel there's a tangible manifestation. Right. Sometimes it's not. So we go by faith in the Lord Jesus and in his word. Right. So for example, in my case, I just thank the Lord that I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of God's. Right. So after being prayed for after, you know, just thanking, I just went ahead thanking the Lord. So six months after that, I think it was about six months is when I actually started praying in the spirit. Okay. Shani, I'll just come to you. I'm just saying, just seeing. Can I go over? Just a minute, Shani. So can you give some example from the Bible, Stephen Alexander or some verses. Now what exactly, example of what Stephen. Example of people who talk in tongues, to speak tongues. Those were the examples. The God language. Sorry. In the heavenly languages. Okay. Not in the earthly language. Okay. So yeah, in scripture, we see in 1 Corinthians 13 and verse one where Paul says, you know, though I speak with the earthly language or heavenly language. And if I do not have love, you know, it is futile. Right. And if I speak with that, though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, he says, which is, you know, a heavenly language. But if I do not have love, I've become first Corinthians. Can you repeat first Corinthians first Corinthians chapter 13 and verse one. So he's talking about earthly known language. And he's also talking about a language which is not of the natural realm, a language of the angels, which is a heavenly language of the heavenly realm. Right. So he's talking about both. And he says, though I speak with both, if I don't have love, you know, it's futile. But the fact is that, well, God releases that the Holy Spirit releases that. I think there was an earlier question also. Does that help, Stephen? This is right now. Yeah. Thank you. I think there was another question, you know, does, is it only for God to understand or what about people, you know, so I think this is it. Right. If it is a known language, if it's a known earthly language, yes. And if there are people who understand the language, they would understand it. But it could also be a language which is not on the earth. Right. If it's a language spoken by the angels, the heavenly language, it's a language which is not on the earth, not found on the earth. In addition to that, we also see that Paul saying one contains 14 and verse 14 that he says, if I pray in a tongue my spirit praise, but my understanding is unfruitful. He's saying that, you know, I'm speaking in tongues, I'm praying in tongues, but I'm not able to understand the words or understand the language. Whatever I'm praying, whatever I'm saying, I don't understand it. So that's a possibility. Right. So when we pray in tongues, if we don't understand it, don't be worried. It is scriptural because it's a language. It could be an earthly language which you don't know yet or it could be a heavenly language. The thing is not to be bothered by that. Right. Because Paul himself says that if it's a, you know, if I speak in tongues, my understanding is unfruitful. I don't understand it. But he also talks about how when we are praying in tongues, we are edified, built up. I think it's 14 and, you know, verse, verse four says he who speaks in a tongue edifies himself. There's a spiritual, there's a spiritual strength or construction, you know, that's happening. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself. Right. Okay. Any, any other questions? Yeah. Jeff, you know, yeah, sorry. Yeah. Right. Okay. Okay, so. Okay. Shani, I'll just come back to that question. Right. And also Stephen's question in a minute. Okay, so Jeff in us question is this. So it's based on. Shani, you want to say something before we move forward? Well, yeah, it was just, well, I just had a question earlier because I'm just trying to make sure I clarified. I know you gave the example in terms of the Bible with Paul, how he didn't merely speak in tongues yet. I know I was saying, can somebody have the, give a prophecy and then later on eventually speak in tongues. And then you gave an example of yourself on how you immediately speak in tongues because you're accepted by faith. So I guess I'm trying to make sure I'm just trying to understand this. So the way I'm interpreting is that you could accept the bar. I mean, Baptist Holy Spirit, you do by faith, but you can get this. I mean, you start, you can start speaking in tongues six months or a year later. So eventually you will, is that right? I mean, evidence that eventually you will. So if you don't have it now, anybody who has it will eventually be able to speak in tongues. Am I making sense? Could you repeat the last part? So I kind of, from the way, the way I understood what you were saying with your example from Paul and yourself, even if you don't have it now, if you have it later, you will eventually have it. Am I correct? Am I understanding? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, don't give up in the sense, you know, changes our understanding, our, whatever our barriers are. So don't give up because the scripture, scriptural example is that or scriptural instruction is that it is for everybody. So don't give up. Don't just because you don't have it here in the now. Don't give up. Yes. Okay. Okay. So I'll come back to your question here, but I'll just answer Jeffiness question. Okay. So Jeffiness question is this. It's based on one content 12. Okay. Just before we get into this, we have a course on the Holy spirit. Okay. All the first time, I mean, all the first year students, we're going to be looking at this in depth in detail. Okay. One more time. And so I just want to just mention that. So we're going to be going into all this, right? Starting with the person of the Holy spirit. Okay. Very quickly. One Corinthians 12 and verse 28 onwards. Okay. So, so here's a very interesting, you know, it's a few verses here. One contains 12 and to the end of that chapter, it says, and God has appointed these in the church. Okay. The first apostles, second prophets, third teachers after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps administrations, varieties of tongues. And see all that is fine. I would say amen to that. Hallelujah to that. But verse 29. Now that becomes a problem.  Even here we can say, yes, you know, no, all are not apostles. No, all are not prophets. So he's asking a rhetoric question, right? Are all teachers or all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Now that's the problem. And then we say, oh, you know, but you just, we just learned that it's for all believers. And we see that in scripture, chapter two, all the way to 17. We saw that everybody, you know, and so, so how can this be? Do all have, do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? And verse 31 he says, but earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way. And then he goes on and the message ends on gifts. It ends in, at the end of chapter 14, where, you know, he says, therefore earnestly desire to prophesy and do not forbid to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order. Okay, so we're just confused about that, right? So we see that here, verse 28, as it rightly mentions, God has appointed these in the church. So he's talking about ministry appointments. We see a similar list in Ephesians chapter four, where it talks what we call as a five-fold ministry, right? The Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, Teacher.   I want you to be a Prophet. So he appoints and similarly, when we read through the list, we see that, hey, there's varieties of tongues or gifts of tongues is also a similar appointment in the church, in the body, right? So that is why Paul is asking the question, do all speak with tongues? Because God has appointed these in the church so that people should function. If you look at the verses before that, he's talking about the body of Christ, right? He's talking about the different members, how we cannot or we should not reject one another based on the gifts, or we should not look down on another person because of our gifts and so on. The way God uses us and so on. And in continuation with that, he talks about the appointments. So now the question is this, can I as a believer, can God leave me to start a work, a pioneering work? Whether it's a Bible study, whether it's a prayer group, whether it's a church, yes, right? But does that make me an Apostle? The answer would be no. Can God use me to bring a word of prophecy or word of knowledge to another person? The answer is yes. God can speak through me. But does that make me a Prophet? The answer is no. So can I speak with tongues and edify myself and also speak with the interpretation that I receive from God that will edify the others? The answer is yes. But does that mean that's the ministry appointment of ministering in tongues, like maybe intercession and so on? No. So that is what Paul is saying. Hey, these are ministry appointments. These are established in the body by God because he says in verse 31, same chapter, earnestly desire the best gifts. So what are the best gifts? So normally when we use best, we say one thing. He's the best player. She's the best cook. Right? So he's saying earnestly desire the best gifts plural. Right? So what is the best gift of all these gifts? You know, in one context, where he's talking about gift of tongues, gift of healings and working of miracles, faith. So what is the best gift in that? Sorry? Pastor, is it discernment? Is it discernment? Is it discernment? Deserning. Yeah. Thank you, Gatrud. See, the best gift.  To drive a nail into a wooden table. What is the best tool? A hammer. Right? So that's the thing. The best tool is the one that is most appropriate to solve that problem for that situation to take care of the situation. That's the best tool. Similarly, the best gift. If somebody is in need of physical healing, what is the best gift? Gifts of healings, gifts of faith, where, or working of miracles, right? So he's saying, honestly, desire. Why is he saying, honestly, desire? So that, so that, so that you might, so that the Holy Spirit might manifest himself in that way. And the need of the person is taken care of. Right? It's for the edification of the church. So that others are blessed. So he's saying, honestly, desire. The best gifts. Okay. So to answer Jeff in us question, these are ministry appointments. There's a difference between ministry appointments and other gifts for the believer. And I think we need to know the difference. But for us to understand that, hey, these gifts are for the believer. Okay. That's why he's saying, honestly, desire. The best gifts. Another verse is one contains 14 and verse one. He's still on the same topic, the same message. One contains 14 and verse one, purse you love and desire, spiritual gifts. So he doesn't say, okay, which gift you must desire, desire, spiritual gifts, all of them. Plural. All of them. Desire, spiritual gifts. So when we study about the gifts, we understand that it is a manifestation of the spirit. So what we are desiring is Holy Spirit, you show yourself. That is what we are desiring.  Right? So he's saying, purse you love, desire, spiritual gifts. Okay. Okay. Yes. Personal edification, satisfying the church, edifying the church through interpretation. Okay. Shani's question. I think that's where we left off. Shani's question is, okay, if you don't understand, when we pray in tongues, doesn't the Bible say that you can ask for interpretation? Yes. So interpretation is when we, when we sense that we are giving a message in tongues or maybe group of believers, we are together and then there is a, you know, message in tongues or there is a song in tongues or something like that happening. And the Holy Spirit can give the interpretation for myself or for others. Right? It can happen both ways, either in a personal time or in a group setting. So if it's a message in tongues, definitely we need to ask for the interpretation. Otherwise the group or the church is not blessed. If personally, if I'm praying in tongues, I can also, you know, ask the Lord for the interpretation and I will receive the interpretation in my spirit. It can be a sense of knowing, it can be a prompting, it can be, you know, a scripture verse or something visual and in so many other ways. Right? Okay. Tongues are for the church or for personal growth. If it's tongues with interpretation, it is definitely edifying for the church. But if it's personal, tongues are for personal edification as we see in 1.14 and verse 4. Right? Yeah, Stephen. Actually, you were talking about the church in chapter 12. He is asking the question or suggesting for that this tongue is good for the church or asking just a question. Because in chapter 14.4 he said tongue edified himself. Yeah. But he that prophesied edified the church. Yeah. And the next verse, he says, I wish you all spoken tongues, but even more that you prophesied for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues. Unless indeed he interprets that the church may receive edification. So tongues with edification edifies the church. So it means the interpretation is very important when we speak in the church. In the church, yes. If it's a message that you speak in the church and that's one of the guidelines that he says. No, if we pray also, if we use any words in a tongue in the church, it's necessary to translate that because otherwise some people will not understand. Yeah. So when we see that if it is interpreted, it brings edification. But if you see the end of the chapter verse 39 he says, do not forbid to speak with tongues. Even in a gathering, if people are praying, let it be between them and God. As long as I'm praying in tongues softly that I'm not kind of interfering with another person praying. I can continue to pray in tongues just between me and the Lord. But if I'm going to declare something maybe from the mic, if I'm going to declare something publicly, then having the interpretation is a guideline. It's a scriptural guideline that the church might be edifying. You're right. Okay, Shani. So I just have a question. I don't want to make sure I'm clarifying. I can get back on what Stephanie asked. So is it okay when you're at, I mean, what if somebody is at church and they're praying and doing worship and they're speaking in tongues? Are they supposed to have an interpreter? Or is just, I mean, because sometimes they say you're not supposed to do that at church. You're not supposed to speak in tongues. At church, if there's nobody interpret, but when I go to church, I see people speaking in tongues especially during worship. So that was my question. Yeah. So if it is with the understanding, there's a gathering of believers.  And there is this understanding about the gift of tongues and what it does and so on. And then as a church, together we could sing out in tongues. We could seek the Lord praying in tongues. Now that is fine. But the Bible also talks about the fact. If somebody is there upfront and if I'm going to be speaking in tongues, if I'm going to be from the mic addressing and addressing and speaking to you in tongues, then there needs to be an interpretation. There needs to be an interpretation so that people are blessed. Otherwise, it's going to be, that's what he deals with in the latter part of the first part of chapter 14. He says, in the church, I would rather speak a few words with the understanding rather than many words and tongues. So he's talking about addressing the gathering. Okay. So I'm understanding. So basically, if you're at church and you're worshiping to praise and worship, it's okay. But if somebody is just speaking to somebody else, there should be an interpretation. Am I understanding you right? Yeah. The thing is, yeah, because we see that occurrence twice, you know, in Acts chapter two, they all prayed in tongues. And also in, they were magnifying the Lord. Right. And then we see in Cornelius's house also, they began to speak in tongues. They were actually speaking and magnifying God. And that's how they actually identified. So, yeah, this happens. And then when it comes to addressing a message, it needs to be interpreted. Okay, Stephen. So you said about the Acts chapter two, right? Yeah. When they spoke in tongues, the other people also understand what they were saying and that they were not Christian also. They were not Christian. And other people understand what they are saying. And that's why the other people also came that day to accept the Christ. Right. So, yeah, it was a sign. Tongues was a sign for the people who were there because it was a supernatural work which was pointing them to Christ. But we see all kinds of reactions. If you notice, you know, they were amazed that this kind of thing was happening. They were perplexed. They didn't understand it. But they were also mocking because some of the words, because, you know, we know that tongues is, you know, much later when we learn that, okay, it's earthly language. It could be heavenly language. But we also see that people were mocking, saying these people are drunk. Right. So we know that there have been utterances which sounded very foreign, which could have been, you know, like gibberish. And they said these people are drunk. So we see all those, you know, range of emotions and reactions from people. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But it was a sign. It was a supernatural sign which pointed them to Jesus, to Christ, of course, followed by the message that Peter shared and then it actually got their attention. Okay. Did I miss out on any questions here? Did we address everything? Okay. So there will be more, you know, more sessions if you signed up for Holy Spirit. And also you can watch the videos and, you know, those of you who are on e-learning, of course, we can always interact and all these questions can be answered. And I'm sure you have the publication, the book, APC book, the wonderful benefits of praying in tongues. Right. So I would strongly recommend that you go through it. That also deals with all these frequently asked questions and, you know, and these kind of scripture verses, which normally people think, okay, you know, is it a problem? Okay. Yeah, Stephen. Verse 27, chapter 14, verse 27, because when you in this chapter 14 end of the verse, verse 40, let all things be done recently and in order. Right. Yeah. But when we come to verse 27, it said, if any man speak in unknown tongue, let it be by two or at the most by three and that by fours. Okay. Let one be translated. Okay. But in verse 28 he said, if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church. Yeah. Yeah. And the other part of that verse is and let him speak to himself and to God. Yes. So it's like he's practically saying the Paul is saying he should be silenced is there is no interpreter. Yeah. So if there's no interpreter, so his thing of saying silence is if there's no interpreter, let him speak to himself and to God. Personal edification can happen. I can just pray in tongues and I can pray to the Lord. I can magnify God with tongues. I can do that.  So that's the, you know, verse, that's the completion of verse 28. And that is why in verse 39 he says, do not forbid to speak in tongues. He's speaking to the gathering, but he's saying if you're going to be addressing, there has to be interpretation. But as long as you are worshiping and you, you know, and in doing that, let it be done decently and in order. That's the, yeah, that's the instruction. Thank you for pointing that out. Can you prophesy, use your gifts at church if you're not a member of the church? Okay. I think we'll take this last question and take a break. Yes, you can prophesy, but if the prophecy, you know, if the word is for something to do with, let's say for the leadership or for the body, right? And the best way to do it is to submit it to the leadership. Right. If it is for the gathering, if it is for the collective body to submit it to the leadership, but if the Lord would, you know, use you to bring a word of knowledge to bring a prophetic word, we can share. But if it is of a nature where the leadership also needs to be, let's say, taken into confidence, then we can do that, but it depends on a case-to-case basis. But yeah, sure, prophetic word can be given. Okay. So we'll take a break. Actually, we wanted to pray for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but we'll take a break and then once we come back, we will minister and pray, right? Is that okay? Okay. Thank you.


From the CUBE studios in Palo Alto in Boston connecting with thought leaders all around the world. This is a CUBE conversation Hi, I'm Stu Miniman and welcome to this CUBE conversation I'm coming to you from our Boston area studio and happy to welcome to the program someone We've known for many years, but a first time on the program Priyanka Sharma. Thank you so much for joining us Hi Stu. Thank you so much for having me. All right, and Priyanka Let's not bury the lead or anything. The reason we're talking to you is the news You've got a new job, but in an area that you know really well So we've known you through the the cloud native communities for a number of years. We see you at the shows We see you online So happy to you know share with our community. You are now the general manager of the CNCF So congratulations so much on on the job Thank you so much I am so honored to have this opportunity and I can't wait to work even more closely with the cloud native community Then I have already. I mean as you said, I've been involved for a long time I actually just saw in my LinkedIn today that 2016 was when my You know Conversation with within the CNCF started I was then working on the open tracing project, which was the third project to join the foundation And like CNCF had started like in 2015. So it was all very new. We were we were in conversations and It was just such an exciting time and that that just kept getting bigger and bigger And then the git lab I serve on served on I actually still serve until the 31st on the board So and now this so I'm very very excited. Yeah, well, right So you were board member of the CNCF but Priyanka if you go back even further we look at you know How does CNCF start? It was all around Kubernetes. Where did Kubernetes come from? It came from Google and when I dug back far enough into your CV I found Google on there too. So maybe just give us a little bit of your career arc And you know what you're involved with for people that don't know you from all these communities and events Sure, absolutely. So my career started at Google in Mountain view and I was on the business side of things. I worked with AdSense products And around around that same time. I had a bit of the entrepreneurial bite So the bug bit me and I I first joined a startup that was acquired by GoDaddy later on and then I went off on my own and That that was a very interesting Time for me because that was when I truly learned about the power of open source One of the products that me and my co-founder were building was an open source time tracker and I just saw the momentum on these Communities and that's when the dev tools love started I started get and then I got involved with the heavy bit industries Which is an open source which is an accelerator for dev tools there I met so many companies that were either in the cloud space or just general other kinds of dev tools advised a few ended up joining light step which where the founders they Them and a few community members were the creators of the open tracing standard got heavily heavily involved in that project Jumped into cloud native with that Was a project, you know contributor organizer educator Documentarian all kinds of things right for two plus years and then get lab with the board membership And that's how I saw actually the governance side, you know until then it had all been the community the education that Aspect and then I understood how Chris and Dan had built this amazing foundation That's done so much from the governance perspective So it's been a long journey and it all feels that it's been coming towards in this awesome new direction Well, yeah, congratulations to you and right CNCF, you know in their press release I see you know Dan talked about, you know, you've been you know speaker you've been a you know governing board member You've participated in this and you're gonna help with that next phase and you teased out a little bit There's a lot of constituencies in the CNCF. There's a large, you know user participation We always love talking at kubecon about the people not only just using the technology but contributing back the role of open source The large vendor ecosystem Is a lot there so, you know, give us your thought as to kind of where the CNCF is today? And where you know, it needs to continue in and go in the future Absolutely, so in my opinion the CNCF is is a breakout organization I mean, we're approaching 600 members of which 142 are end users. So with that number the CNCF is actually the largest and has the largest end-user community in of all open source foundations, so Tremendous progress has been made especially from those days back in 2016 when we were the third project being considered so Leaps and bounds is so impressive and I think you know And if you think about like what's the end-user storyline right now? So the CNCF did a survey last year and so 84% of the people surveyed were using containers in production and 78% were using Kubernetes in production Amazing numbers, especially since both are up by about 15-20% year over year So this move towards DevOps towards cloud native towards Kubernetes is happening and happening really strong The project has truly established itself. Kubernetes has won in my opinion And that's really good. I think now when it comes to the second wave, it is my perspective that the end-user communities and the You know the just the momentum that we have right now. We need to build and grow it We need deeper developer engagement because if you think about it There's not just one graduated project in CNCF. There are 10 so Kubernetes being one of them But there's for me because there's on why Yeager etc etc So we have amazing technologies that are all gaining Adoption being graduated means that they have fast security audits. They have diverse contributors They have, you know, safe good governance So you as an end user you can feel very secure adopting them And so we have so much to do to expand on the knowledge of those projects We have so much to make software just better every day So that's my one one vector in my opinion the second up vector. I would say it has been more opportunistic As you know, we are all living in a very unprecedented time with a global pandemic Many of us are sheltering in place. Many are generally life is changed And what you are in media, you know this much better than me I'm sure that the number of the amount of digital consumption has just skyrocketed people are reading that many more articles people are I'm watching that many more memes and jokes online, right? and what that means is that More and more companies are reaching that crazy web scale that started this whole cloud native and DevOps space in the first time first place With you know, Google and Netflix being D2C companies just building out what eventually became cloud native SRE that kind of stuff So in general online consumption is higher So more and more companies need to be cloud native to support that kind of traffic Secondly even for folks that are not creating content Just a lot of the workflows have to more move online more people will do online banking more people will do e-commerce It's just that the shift is happening and for that We as the foundation need to be ready to support the end users with Education enablement certifications training programs just to get them across that chasm into a new even more online focused reality, you know, and I guess it put Bianca that tease up One of the ways that most people are familiar with the CNCF is through the the event So cube con and cloud native con really the signature event It's been tremendous growth over the last few years You actually had involvement in a in a virtual event the cloud native summit recently For a cube con the European show is announced virtual We know that there's still some uncertainty when it comes to the North America show Supposed to be in my backyard here in Boston. So we'd love for it to happen If it happens if not, you know, we'll be there, you know, virtually or not Give us a little bit your experience with the cloud native summit and you know, what's what you're thinking today We understand as you said a lot of uncertainty as to what goes on it Absolutely, even when physical events come back in the future. We expect this hybrid model to be with us for a long time. I Definitely hear that Completely agree that everything is uncertain and things have changed very rapidly for our world Particularly when it comes to events, we are lucky at the CNCF to be working with the LF events team which is just best in class and we are working very hard every day then doing a lot of the Lancaster of the work of Building this I mean the best experience we can for cloud club con cloud native con you which as you said meant virtual I'm really looking forward to it because what I learned from the cloud native summit online was Which was the event you said that you mentioned that I had hosted in April Is that people are hungry to just engage to see each other were to communicate? However, they can in this current time today. I don't think the technologies at a point where physical events Can be overshadowed by Virtual so there's still something very special about you know seeing someone face-to-face having a coffee and having at that You know banter conversations, but at the same time there are some benefits to online So as an example with the cloud native summit, I Really it was just me and a few community folks who were sad. We didn't get to go to Amsterdam So we're like, let's just get together in a group, you know have some fun talk to some maintainers that kind of thing I expected a few hundred max Thousands of people showed up and that was just mind-blowing because I was like wait what? But it was so awesome because not only were there a lot of people there were people from just about every part of the globe That so normally you have you know, you ask you're up that kind of focus or sometimes there's the Asia pack events That cater to that but here in that one event very big by the way, we were talking to each other in real time There were folks from Asia pack there were folks from America's you you also the African continent So geo geo meant nothing anymore and that was very awesome People from these different parts of the world. We're talking engaging learning all at the same time And I think with over 20,000 people expected at poop con you but it being virtual We'll see something similar and I think that's a big opportunity for us going forward Yeah, no absolutely it there's some new opportunities some new challenges I think back to you know way back in January I got to attend the GitLab event and you look at GitLab, you know a fully You know remote company but talking about the benefits of still getting together and doing things online I think of the developer communities. They're used to working remote and working across different time zones But there is that that need to be able to get together and collaborate And so we've got some opportunities. We've got some challenges and when do remote so I guess yeah, Priyanka I'll give you the final word, you know things you want to look forward to things We should be expecting from from you and the CNCF team going forward I guess I you know, I'll mention fraud and so I guess, you know Dan con staying part of Linux Foundation doing some health care things will still stay a little involved and You know Chris Anisek who's the CTO still the CTO. I just saw him did a great panel for Docker con with Kelsey Hightower, Michelle Nerali and Sean Connolly, you know all people we know that you know often they're speaking at Kubecon too So, you know many of the faces staying the same not a I'm not expecting a big change But what should we expect going forward? That's absolutely correct. You know big changes my first big priority as I join is I mean As you know coming with the community background with all this You know work that we have put into education and learning from each other My number bug goal is going to be to listen and learn for in a very diverse set of You know personas that are part of this whole community. I mean, there's the board There is the to the technical oversight committee. There is the project maintainers. There's the contributors They're the end users potential developers who could be contributors. There's just so many different types of people All united in our interest in desire to learn more about cloud native So my number one priority is going to listen and learn and as I get more and more up to speed I'm very lucky that Chris Anistek who has built this with Dan is staying on and is going to be Advising me guiding me and working with me Dan as well is actually going to be around to help advise me and also work on some key initiatives in addition to his You know big new thing with public health in the Linux foundation. You never expect anything the average with Dan So it's going to be amazing He's done so much for this foundation and brought it to this point which in my mind I mean, it's it's to bend us the amount of work that's happened. It's so cool So I'm really looking forward to building on this amazing foundation by created by Dan and Chris under Jim I think that what they have done by not only providing a neutral IP zone where people can contribute and use Projects safely. They've also created an ecosystem where there is, you know, events. There's educational activities Projects can get documentation support PR support It's it's a very holistic view and that's something in my opinion new at least in the way It's done. So I just want to build upon that and I think the end user community will keep growing They'll keep educating will keep working together and this is a team effort that we are all in together Well, Priyanka Congratulations again, we know your community background and you know strong community at the CNCF Looking forward to seeing that both in the virtual events in the near term and you know back when we have physical events again In the future. So thanks so much for joining us Thank you for having me All right, be sure to check out the cube net you'll see all the previous events We've done with the CNCF as well as as mentioned We will be helping keep cloud native connected at kubecon cloud native con Europe the virtual event in August as well as The North American event later in the year. I'm Stu Miniman and thank you for watching the cube