eat let's do it guys this is a super wholesome podcast no swearing please no swearing on my christian discord server no swearing get off sir that's the orc speech version in case you guys speak that want to be all inclusive as now as green cut tool that's your opinion phil swift hello there everyone uh i wonder how long it's going to take him to realize that there's a jared emo and then to start spamming that well oh god jared milk oh no jared milk what does that mean they've already done rhino milk ghost milk spider milk jared's just the next one there was somebody who follows the podcast uh who knows me and they were like uh sorry i missed the podcast what what's the butterfly one i get i understand the rhino milk and the ghost milk but the butterfly what was the butterfly one actually i need remembering reminding what was the butterfly one um someone posted a butterfly in the chat and then i commented on it and then everyone started spamming butterfly milk well that's what you get so i didn't think that we're going to combine the two allow this is i need to remind you how this game is played you open your mouth once and you're done i'm a shower with wheels yeah so we all got splendid new new avatars for this like potentially one podcast and you know it's up to everybody but uh how is everybody well i'm gonna do this properly this time be like we have a guest i'm introducing that first because that's literally what you should do uh j longbone who runs a channel where she just rips into things because she's mean it's true yeah i'm just robin come to you i'm fine oh i'm good excellent this is like the perfect mood to be in for one of these ridiculously long stupid podcasts um why why is your name why is your name long bone uh it's oh no don't answer that question no it's actually a very safer word uh answer yeah it's it's a mystery science theater reference oh when when i hear when i heard the name long bone i found it humorous i can i you know i i get i know why rags i don't even need to explain that you like that did you like that did you like the humorous because we all know because it's a long bone you're referencing like cavemen how they used to hit people with bones and stuff what no no what have the cavemen violence have to do with this rags i know you're a violent man that's why you did it it has nothing to do with it your bone is the humorous it's a long bone i found it humorous yeah we got it we got it we got no yeah it's like a joke for your body yeah um so memberships are a thing now on this channel especially thanks to all the patreon crap is going on a lot of people want to find alternatives to actually do it at whatever donations they prefer so the membership thing you can find it there's a link just underneath the first link in in the description it allows you to use emotes on the channel and it gets you membership stuff i think the only person right now who has it in chat is uh where is he was he was just using it uh so i can hide away if that's how that's pronounced that's why i have to read it but uh so there's these five emotes but then there's one more i'm going to post it in chat so you guys can all appreciate it done done done done it's a beautiful emote and so you you're you can use that link to become a member i guess and then down the line we'll probably switch out these emotes for people who really want efap related ones the badges you get have milk on them and upgrade to rhinos drinking it eventually like i'm trying to correct the animation all the the picture on it to look better but that's that's the idea and of course um maybe you guys can you said that so seriously it made it funny it's important that they know that they have milky emotes that's they need it the thing is yeah people is like we already have the rhino and the milk like i wouldn't even need to have emotes for that really well it's like levels you start off at skim and then you graduate no no you start off at soy so he's because so is the worst and then you go up to skim because it's like would you portray that with a tiny picture though um they would all look identical of course but you know that's pointless like i know i guess um carry on i always forget to put that link out oh wait this shouldn't be a hashtag so terrible hey we haven't started the video yet it's just fine and no we're not watching whatever the hell that says oh cats make you laugh your head off i mean i don't have no idea what this even is it's a weird combination of letters what does that say tec ta tec ta what are you talking about well you can read it right oh test that's test is that what relic yeah t and e are the same but the c makes an s sound why is it all in russian well this is the default video i have no idea what's going on this is this is what they provide me is this proof that we're russian bots we put that on the screen they were like wait what what is aqua jared what is aqua jared aqua jared is probably better than aquaman because that movie is awful yeah is it bad oh god it's hilarious me and my friend like people were shooting me and my friend dirty looks in the theater because we just couldn't stop laughing yeah it was really it was hilariously dreadful i don't have any plans to see it i just watched the red letter media for it it's bad funny bad but i heard there was a crab battle oh god there's a there's a crab person who like rips off a line that you know that famous they may take our land but they can't take our freedom they like literally rip that off and put it in the movie only it's a fucking CGI crab person saying it so it's really really funny i actually forgot about that part what did you think of aquaman oh wait me yeah yeah what'd you think of jacklyn glenn being one of the main characters well i thought well see my personal my first personal feelings on aquaman i actually enjoyed it oh i enjoyed it too i just i just enjoyed it entirely ironically yeah well yeah that's i think that's the only one because i think that's what they were going for because you can't aquaman is he's just not he's not that hero he talks to fish that's fucking so cool yeah i mean you can't make him anything but an ironic hero because it's just you can't do him you can't do him like batman you can't do him like superman it's just it'd be impossible so i think they just went straight into like you know ironic cringe territory they were just like fucking all right look we got a guy a we got a guy in a fucking black suit in a big head and he looks like a like a retarded mantis oh god did you love that did you love that shot where he like he shot the laser and it blew up the mountain in that terrible after effects explosion and then he looks back and he looks like he's constipated for some reason shit yeah oh i really love the part where they completely ripped off uh the plot of how to train your dragon to where they bring his mom back into velociraptor land and then she's like you gotta go get the fork and he's like okay so he fights the uh grave mine from halo two and then he steals the dead dude's clothes and he's like i'm ready when you describe the movie i mean i do appreciate the fight scenes i really like the way they were done that on ironic like legitimately because in normally in action movies it's always like the shaky handheld thing and they can't they can't keep the goddamn camera still you don't know what's going on and with this it's sometimes it's just like one continuous shot of uh this is one continue continuous fight uh sequence and i like like i like that attention to detail it's like like they put some they put effort into this movie like there was no half-assing it uh it's just but it's just it's just it's like they did it it's like they made it kind of wonky because they knew they couldn't make it any other way but there was but there was attention to detail in some parts of the film yeah and that looks expensive oh yeah it was expensive because it's all underwater and they have to make like half CGI why do they have massive crab armies fighting and have like practical effects for that oh i'm guessing because there's no crab people i feel back so i feel like i need to see this film now just to be able to be like you appreciate the insanity you need to appreciate the insanity it's it gets really funny do i want to go cinema for it is that something i want to do i would say so just because you can laugh and everyone else can like glare at you when they're taking it seriously for some reason well that's fair enough um i was gonna say just to make sure we're rolling with with intro here i've got like full videos for us to do thing with and then something for rags to read out and then potential small means for you get to a video this is gonna be our longest intro i think we're already at 10 minutes so the subjectivity slayer i was gonna say people are making more of these videos now so i feel like we should just try and showcase some of them at least and be like we actually oh god is that the last jedi in the corner over there i'm just i'm gonna just play it i'm just i'm just play it that's just right hello there ladies and gentlemen that's legit amazing that's that's great it must have taken ages to a baffle of a get all those faces moving correctly got eric just right joseph lee quinton a movie bob how dare there be nine dislikes on this video look listen to this comment moller isn't a good reviewer the dude basically tries to overanalyze everything to the smallest detail and it's basically him gatekeeping there is no such thing as an objective opinion it's a bunch of jargon made up by extremely pissed fanboys like moller who want to feel like they can justify anything they say with such a vague excuse well they got us and overanalyzing overanalyzing is gatekeeping yeah i didn't know that i'm assuming they're trying to go for the whole like we gate keep what good movies and bad movies are have we ever told anyone to stop making content no well i might i might have mentioned it to quinton a few dozen times but maybe maybe not counting quinton well i think outside of a joke i don't know good lord what's this one you guys you guys ready this one's gonna the payoff's gonna make you laugh oh i can't wait holy shit in an e-fab far far away i fucking hate trump it only makes sense that if you want milk you would use a rhino you're a response please go away oh god i need to see who this is oh my god oh i know please be who i think it is please oh i want to be surprised by this oh some to jerry jenesis also the oh my god oh I'm spamming this link in the chat everyone go watch this amazing oh my god I should have seen that Jared in coming but it's just I can tell you Rags his reaction was exactly by Roswell she feels like please be Jared please be oh my god if you click on if you click on the links to Quinton and Patrick oh yeah that is actually quite funny if you do that it takes us somewhere else sub to Quinton where's this one go please tell me it's oh no I accidentally clicked off of it now I need to see where the other one goes okay okay so Quinton goes to ER Patrick goes to no you should have had you should have had Quinton go to PewDiePie yeah oh geez that's insane and then one more meme video we still got more videos down and then does math like a calculator I've killed 20 people in this battle he's in a coma so he's not technically dead so that's point five it's about to like four and then falls like wait a lot of us have died already he's like how many exactly how many what if there's an odd number of people in the shit picture like a business suit with big old glasses just like he just sits down at his little desk and he's like all right gonna pull out my pocket calculator guys you I owe you 200 lives your next 200 babies are on me just awesome these are amazing yeah you guys are like really passionate and talented and also have loads of free time and I really appreciate that also the Jared one is objectively the best oh that one dude my I have my cramps on my soul I wasn't I didn't think we'd be laughing that hard that early but like I I have to watch it again because I was laughing so much like I didn't even catch half of it so I can save it later and I'll still have half of it to enjoy yeah it was it was a lasty fap right that we ended it with watching like that the redo of the Count Dooku fight thing right oh yeah we got there's another one of those but I was gonna do it at the end of the episode as well because someone said I need to check out Jared's channel and oh my god the thumbnail alone is his last his latest video keep it up there Jared all right so back to reality there was is a video that go released I can't I'm not even a hundred percent sure let me find out what the date was because I don't even know if it's old like December 24th so it's even around for five days and it's already nearing a million views like it's doing pretty damn well and so it's gotten into a bunch of people's recommended and there are certain people like Patrick Willems who have tweeted out that they're very unhappy about that because you know how if you see a perspective that's different to yours that means that it should be allowed to be public oh this was a great video I really like this video so if we're not gonna watch the whole thing but I'm gonna look for a specific bit actually let me just do the smart thing and do it a without fucking guessing where it is it's great because he's only got like 43,000 subs and this video is on track to 900,000 views well that's great I think that is fair to say there's something worthwhile seeing in this video surely if it's getting that kind of traction I mean that's not exactly an argument for how it must be good I'm just saying you know I didn't realize you titled this stream a rhinos worth of memes and checking out bad media criticism yeah I mean you know that's something we're gonna do to throw that in there but yeah he's got to coincidence this is like a selection this is basically an argument against Disney for how they use lightsabers and the thing that he highlights is how lightsabers seem to only like people they never kill anymore or at least to the significant characters like Kylo and Finn and then he like keeps building up how he's gonna talk about the throne room bit because it's like obviously the bit everyone's got a lot of problems with and interestingly he has some stuff to say so I'm hoping I can just play this I don't think I'll get anything but I'll be posting is the YouTube video in in chat for everybody to sit and here we go whoa she's strong two other four she's in the room but doesn't stop right what the fuck it's this guy doing she's on the other side of the room nice pose here we go the worst choreograph fight in the history of mankind why are you spinning stop spinning and look at the other guy he's about to go for his sword instead of his head where are you going she's a kick three people with one kick this is awesome that kicks embarrassing just quickly what would have happened if they'd killed Kylo like who would they then answer to very confused very confused man man she's good two points here the worst thing to have in a spaceship is fire but these guys stand in front of a massive wall with weapons that lighted up like a Christmas tree so what's the matter with you this isn't something you slow down to see this guy is literally waiting his turn what are you doing over there buddy fucking get into the fight oh good more screaming remember when Jedi's would focus see this guy this is my favorite part is about to throw his weapon away before charging in literally throw it out of the shot so he can die roll the tape they're watching this amazing more floor hitting oh Kylo doesn't seem to have much control here we go you've all seen it the disappearing weapon why they didn't remove it from the start of the cut who knows now you see it and now it's gone there's another chance to kill her and in the move that just fucks me off that arm was pushing against her as soon as she let go that weapon should have gone clean through her face and then apparently we were the only ones that picked it up because we had to see this video and I think was it rags that picked that up I yeah I was the one who noticed it because we were going through another video of the last Jedi I forget which one because they're all the same kind and it's just every time we it's like we catch something new that's awful about it and this was one that I was like wait a second she should be dead here and bang that leg should be gone what just nicked again okay headshot what why isn't his head off what's with all the just broken the knicks the flash wounds it's a strong army say just doesn't protect the face now people say well you slowed it down no one will ever notice or better still I'm nitpicking lift your standards people they spend months working on these fights look at the training they went through for the prequels see how many mistakes you can find in those films how did so many mistakes get passed so many people this isn't a one take scene they would have done this over and over and over is it the lack of talent or do they just not care this is working out the moves for that these bullshit yeah uh check out the video it's good shit oh yeah this is great yeah this is this channel I am more inclined to promote it just because Patrick is trying to tell people that this video is awful and nobody should watch it when how could you deny you should all watch how was that not fun see see the all the mistakes in a row I didn't notice the guy who just threw his weapon away well I mean it sort of fits how long are we gonna have this statement be true every time you revisit the last Jedi more mistakes are found like the treasure trove of a movie um but yeah that's listen weapons are like plot holes they don't matter I'm waiting for that video for Patrick I mean you gotta be you gotta be the most soft penis asshole to think this video was bad that would no that would describe Patrick um all right so I'm gonna send you guys the thing that the that we're gonna read out now so the context for this this first one uh this is this is from a reddit post and it's about me holy mother of god right rags you gotta read this as jeez all right candidly as possible as if as if you wrote this and you really wanted to share this all right moller is a prominent youtuber in video essayist he is known for making long video series moller made a series analyzing amnesia the dark descent in soma two games he likes for their construction atmosphere and compelling stories that series about two video games about 20 hours of interactive narrative to an average player was eight hours long moller also dislikes the sequel trilogy of the star wars franchise of films moller has spent approximately this much time criticizing the last jedi or people who have made videos defending the last jedi including live streams with other youtubers 66 hours let's do some ratios like or nerves yeah let's do some ratios for a moment we cannot know editing or writing time for certain especially since live streams have neither so we will have to go with on-screen time also bearing in mind many of the streams cover multiple topics and it's not always him speaking or round that up since i don't think moller minds he does not take length of critique as real criticism amount of time spent talking about something compared to amount of time that thing itself takes to consume amnesia and soma eight hours to 20 hours so that's about one hour to 2.5 hours two to five hours the ratio of time spent talking about soma and amnesia compared to how long they are is two to three so he spends about two fifths as much time as the media in question talk about how good it is now let's do the last jedi 66 hours to two and a half i'm not dying oh you went to do what do you mean oh you're all good just keep you lagged monstrosity oh oh let's do the last jedi 66 hours out wait can any of you guys be hey wolf can you hear me hmm it looks like everyone's dead hello oh i can you oh i can hear you now i don't know what the hell it's going to be what just happened i just i don't know i just i think discord was having an oopsie but i can hear you guys now rags i genuinely thought you must have had like a keyboard next to you when you were intentionally being like oh no no i couldn't hear you guys add that you were doing all you may you're making weird noises and that's the thing then mauler would said my name and i was like what and then mauler started doing it and i was like like i thought you guys were in on this and i was like how do i do it oh no no no but um let me see uh since we know he's not talking about it at all times let's be generous and remove one quarter of that ratio 19.8 to one so round up to be clean 20 to one so we can now say that mauler as of now has spoken of his disliking of a film or the people who like it which isn't accurate order for 20 times as long as the film actually is obviously we cannot say that criticizing a video about something is the same as criticizing that thing but as the source of his criticism against the last jedi themed videos is his own opinion on the film itself i won't lose any conscience combining the two criteria time for one last bit of ratio let's combine the two ratios amnesia and soma media he likes is two hours to five hours the last jedi media he dislikes is 20 hours to one hour let's times the last jedi by five to make them the same 100 to five ratio of time spent on something he likes to something he dislikes is two to 100 and altogether now one to 50 mauler has approximately dedicated 50 times as much screen presence to something he dislikes as he has to something he likes just so you're wondering i spent approximately one hour doing this research and math that sounds like seventh grade math it would be hypocritical of me remiss even not to admit that i myself doing the same sort of thing mauler does as i dislike him and am currently dedicating time to disliking him but i rather think the scales are still weighed in his direction let's do an encore ratio one hour to 66 hours mauler has spent around 66 times as much on-screen time alone to the criticizing of the last jedi as i have spent internal time criticizing him sure i haven't factored in the extra time on his part not dedicated to his task but i also haven't factored in the portion of my time dedicated to guessing how much of his podcast was not him so i reckon it's fair uh what the fuck wow what was the point of this i don't know i read this i was like what the fuck am i reading what is the point is that the last jedi is so bad we can talk about it for that long well my assumption is they're trying to say i disproportionately hate the last jedi and they're trying to search for bonus motivation i suppose but i mean we're very public about this uh we take requests on efab so if people keep which they do keep requesting tlj videos we we will cover them we've even tried to stymie it now we're trying to slow it down just because even us we'd prefer to cover something completely different every once in a while um so yeah not taking that into account even a little bit um my ds2 video is longer than my tlj critique so i don't know how you figure that in um the soma videos i think come to 7.5 hours which again is longer than the tlj critique you'd be like well why aren't you covering soma and amnesia videos like who the fuck's making videos saying that soma and amnesia are the worst things ever aside from joseph anderson which i've already covered that's not even a horror game yeah so why would i even cover it when it's not even a horror game why bother i don't i don't even like let's say this person was in this call right now what would you say to them from this i would be curious i would i would be curious what his point is i would kind of i'd just give him like a couple seconds and be like and yeah i would ask him what is he trying to say i'd ask him why it took him an hour to figure out that simple mathematical equation and if only if only that was it but someone put a response that got a bunch of well i say a bunch of points a couple of points to the point where it's clear that this this subreddit seems to think this is a very reasonable take so i'm posting that now this is this is the one you'll find very amusing so um are you folks ready uh oh boy prepare your anus this helps add to my theory that more people have subscribed to him simply because he set himself up in a particular camp against another set of people on social media in reality this has less to do with star wars and more to do with how people want to associate themselves with one camp versus another camp a lot of this is revealed in his manifesto at the beginning of his most recent you have a manifesto he's he's eliot roger a lot of this oh fuck well now this channel is gonna get deleted a lot of a lot of this is revealed in his manifesto at the beginning of his most recent video he promotes himself as objective without really going into what that is and why anything he actually says is objective in the first place it's basically sargon of a cod all over again um carl benjamin defined all right there's one in the same it was strange reading that all right carl benjamin defined himself because he opposed anida sarkeesian and people fell in line with him because they opposed anida sarkeesian now the carl wants to actually promote his own ideas he's losing support uh only meant to gain support recently all right time to go to social blade here they're gonna be disappointed he's losing support why because people figured out that he brought nothing to the table other than the fact that he opposed someone a lot of people didn't like okay so let's let's look at his let's look at his social blade here starting from uh the the 16th he gave he goes from gaining subscribers at 1460 then the next day it's 2129 1719 1912 1760 994 1421 982 what's the daily average uh daily average is 703 so you're saying he's losing support so this is interesting totally his secondary channel the thinkery has a daily average of plus 676 and then in the last 30 days he has gained 20 300 subscribers but he's losing support and apparently i'm just like him yeah also he was kicked from patreon and he made all of his money back and then some within a week two weeks so i guess he's losing support um this is basically what moller is promoting himself as he's not like h bomber guy joseph anderson or quinton or all these other people thank god thank god oh who dodged the bullet there he's not like though yeah what is quint what is quinton's social blade doing these days you want to bring that back up moller that's not an argument well it is in this case but he's not like those people who precursor the bulk of their material with in my opinion moller is not like not like not like etc i don't even know if that really means and what will his downfall be when moller actually tries to create anything promote anything do anything other than be the opposite of what many are already predisposed to disliking an odd sentence welcome to the post hashtag gamer gate social media i didn't realize you were so active in gamer kate the majority focus of my videos oh man where popularity is defined by what you're opposed to rather than what you stand for so what he says will create anything or promote anything does promote other channels count or not just promote i don't think this person has ever made a video in their life i mean molligate um i so uh yeah i don't define myself or what i stand against uh since my opening videos were celebrating how much i thought amnesia and soma were good games and you can i thought i laid it out in the video that he refers to as my bad afesto i like celebrating good and and criticizing the bad that's so that's my position right if that's does that make it clearer i don't know it turns out tlj's bad sorry i expect you have a ledger in here in like a loose rock in the mantle of the fireplace we got a we got a monday moller in the chat that's pretty good man of manifesto now wait a minute moller no really what do you even say to shit like that you know moller festo who's this chick this this is the video we're covering we're finally almost there even though we're 40 minutes in i'll have to put a timestamp this reddit post is amazing this is incredible like this person has no concept of like i hate to bring objectivity into it but have you like objectively seen the objective numbers objectively like sargon's doing pretty good and moller's doing pretty good molla festo quinton is not doing pretty good right now yeah no it's you know you read you know the other people who'd be like he doesn't respond to uh actual criticism or intelligent criticism and you read all of it and you're just like oh my goodness what in the world kind of insulting to all of the people that we've covered who criticize you well i mean i was gonna say they make a worse case than like even potentially quinton no maybe not it's complicated i mean like just right the other things is like people are welcome to come on to these live streams whenever they want i think that'll be turned against us at some point like that people will say they just bully people into trying to debate them live while they corner them that's going to be the heritage i think eric taxon's already working on that exact angle i think so honestly but like is it if we want us to clarify with like i don't come on if it was one of them we'd be like i guess that won't be an efab then because that's not really what efab is but i mean i mean that's a fair request i mean well we we could deal to make it so that uh you know only one of us has a non-muted mic yeah i think that's fair because you are you know when you criticize three people or whatever you know then it will be a one v three because you you went against three people um i would understand i understand why you wouldn't want to be in a live stream against three other voices i get that entirely but it's very eric this is this really retarded what you're doing what we do and say all the time including to you is that you're welcome to we want to talk with you and we want to talk about this in particular with you so if your message is that we don't want to address criticism and we're inviting you personally on to talk about it with us that makes your whole why why bother making the video at all oh wait so sorry someone just said that uh hbalma guys said shit about me odd odd circle jerk and i just had a quick google and uh he's actually odd there hello hbalma of course he of all people is on our circle jerk oh what is oh jesus christ what is this what circle oh god i'll post it to you guys look at this post what is oh i shall read it no there's no there's no this is too long even for us oh okay yeah you're right this is like the size of one of your scripts so lots lots of emojis we got some i guess it's smiling hard emojis we got some mad emojis we got a cool guy narrative tripling oh gee narrative tripling yeah because there's three emojis that's narrative tripling oh my god oh that's wonderful hbalmer guy maybe you should stop stop now i really i i remember kind of what he was he was featured in this video uh called uh reasonable questions for anti social justice warriors and i did a video on that and i'm just i i just realized like uh like he was the same guy i just realized he's the same guy that you're talking about you called him dutch boy somebody's are pretty good um i recognize rusty cheese knife he's here he posted a few hours ago we should probably avoid eddie dames i mean even though there was a link to the threads people can find shit it's just uh whenever you use names people like you're bullying bullying oh okay so which one of is hbalmer is he general melon no he he all he said was thanks for your service um so it's it's the whole remember do you remember word for word what i said in my video hbalmer guy i'm totally up for conversation even though i don't think what you say makes a lot of sense just please stop with the petty snipes and then what does he do he snipes at me petally oh that's what they do that's why they won't you know do you don't like discussions and stuff i think it's interesting like they like this guy saying also he has been objectively wrong as in no sire no joke he has been objectively wrong yeah we all have exactly mother says that in his video he brings up like three examples where he's been wrong in the past there's actually a subreddit that someone made for my stuff now that's like a smaller community but still you know pro-mola let's put it that way and somebody posted about how um i made the mistake of saying c3po's arm was red uh and changed in tlj even though it was changed at the end of tfa and someone was like yeah he made that mistake and he said in part three that that was a mistake and they were like you can't make a mistake if you're claiming to be objective it's like what that's fucking retarded what's that what moller if you aren't literally jesus then you need to stop making youtube videos now while you still can i gotta get out before they realize that i actually can make a mistake i i'm legitimately convinced that these people haven't watched your video possibly like like maybe the first post sort of has but like i don't think people have actually watched your video or they watch it and completely completely misinterpret what you're saying i mean i get that impression we go tight and they're not high enough to be avoided from like you just there's jizzle but i'm like oh man you caught me better you go the eric taxon route and you just deliberately lie about the why not one question i mean that's the quintan route the eric taxon one is like fucking ignore context that changes recontextualizes what the thing you're saying is yeah then just make up a bunch of shit we've got a whole selection in fact it's wonderful but um we have so many enemies it's all fun he's moller isn't trying to prove his opinion he's trying to prove that his opinion is the correct one well fucking duh i mean it's on the surface it's like what they think they're saying is i'm trying to prove my feelings a factual for everyone or something it's like that's how does this person type that out how do you type out a sentence that says he's not trying to prove his opinion he's trying to prove that his opinion is the correct one which one how did you type that out and not be like wait if you prove your opinion wouldn't that mean you've proved it's correct like don't you want to prove that his opinion is the correct one don't you want to convince people that your opinion is correct and you can back it up with proof i thought that's the point of like making an argument well there will be youtubers who just want to say that they felt the thing was bad right and then you feel like are you proving that's the true and they go no no but yeah there are youtubers who are trying to say this is poorly constructed and hear all the pieces and this is why and then you go that's just your feelings though that's kind of the crux of my whole intro but my manifesto sorry this is this is kind of interesting this post yeah some of them are like yeah he'll find this you know talk about it you know talk about it it's terrible but we're not allowed to do that anymore like yeah it's like oh if he talks about it like it's some sort of a victory if they talk if they address the things that we said is like really that's where your bar is just being mentioned means that you've scored a victory that's kind of i think all right as high as low as you want kind of hate to say but it's like isn't that just truth that they don't want discussion question mark like i don't know i mean all these people can like they can tweet at you and come into discussions with us and we can talk about it well i think that they would assume we don't want discussion probably i mean i think their egos are so big they don't want to even like even like a small part of their argument be to be proven wrong or maybe or to be challenged at all because smaller have absolutely nothing going on in his life can you believe you devote all this time to your job the nerve uh the best arguments the best um oh yay anthony warren's back in the chat yeah he's anthony warren oh he's the guy that really really hates me i want to read out this kid i want to read this out because he's always funny he thinks i voted for trump i don't i don't i don't exactly know where he got that from but i am the one who voted for trump it's me rams did here's straight here's what he says he says wolf says he voted for bernie but bernie wasn't on the ballot against trump he says he supports trump i i don't remember ever saying that the only election is the presidential election at the end in their yeah yeah it definitely it definitely wasn't the case that i explicitly said i abstained from the general multiple times um he's fun yeah like i i like anthony he's he's just like like a little autistic kid that's just like he says funny things and you're just like oh it's okay okay he's like a movie circle jerk separate it yeah okay he's funny i like him i was gonna keep it up buddy reddit is totally a strong example but there was a guy i was arguing with on twitter who is a consistent person who does not like my videos but it has like i'll say a decent following i'm trying to remain nameless just because discourage the whole go after him thing don't go after paypal but um his argument for against my form of avoiding criticism came down to this and i just want to see what you guys think i make really long videos so that when someone takes a singular quote or a piece of of work out of the video and reference that it's flawed i will say aha you haven't seen the video because there is a quote that's an hour later that completely retextualizes and that validates that point so you're wrong and it came down to i basically asked him i was like are you telling me that you didn't watch the whole video and then claim i made an inaccurate criticism and that i've used the video in question to defend myself and that's not fair question mark like i don't really understand anymore and i think this is where eric is going to go with this defense as well just the whole his videos are so long you can't even criticize them and i'm like i can criticize them so you know like i i actually talked about a bunch of flaws i had in my previous videos in the in the video so i don't do you know what i mean like i'm so confused by this you got anything really they really don't like you no i like how desperate you have to be to be like okay so i watched half of the video and i saw that you said this and you're like oh look at this other quote though is that a defense like no we just have so many really passionate fans they just passionately despise us we've got both ends especially considering those meme videos like it's like it's like that quitting quote i quoted to you today where i was watching that stream that he was on and he was like oh no i'm a really big purify fan i just like talk shit about him all the time because i love him like mollers up 10 000 subs the last month like i think he's he's gonna be okay well no it'll all fall apart as you really realize the truth whatever that guy was talking about the truth of i don't stand for anything and i can't create anything well that's why i said i would i don't think this person's ever actually made a video before because that shit takes work like his fallout review i'm doing that shit's work it is try and make a good one that you're pleased with let's tell you since he released your video let me add these up someone said there's a lot of content creators i like who hate mollers i was talking to fregie the other day and he said that a content creator he really enjoys who makes long form stuff retweeted a tweet saying that you know mollers ridiculously long and just crap videos and don't watch stuff and he was like man he makes people sad and i'm like i'm sorry i can't do anything so in in four days starting at christmas going to the 28th so four days you gained 5 700 subs so i guess people i what a terrible video that's tricking people though that's different now i don't want to don't confuse that with saying because people watch it and sub that it's good but when you add that in with the fact that the video is being very very well received and that people are watching these off the cuff podcast that we do we bring people on and we talk about this kind of thing and people are constantly invited i think that says something now either way that that is basically a good summary of all the criticism i've received for the uh the video alongside a couple of things that people are fair about like uh should the intro be attached and my yeah that seems to be the big thing that pops up it'll well so you know we'll we'll gauge it from chat but everybody wants it to be secondarily released on the the moola channel and i'm i'm okay with that um i can edit it so that it's just the intro and i can call it well we can come up with a tile or whatever but um that doesn't mean that it should have been detached as far as i'm concerned the point is that it's context for the rest of the series which i think is harder to see right now because there's only part one it might be like hey you do have a pretty obvious time stamp that's true there's a skip but yeah would everybody become especially the people in chat because these are the people that probably subscribe to the moola channel would you be comfortable with me re-uploading a shortened version that basically has the intro in the last 20 minutes of part one as a singular video so that it can be shared is is what people have been asking me to do that's basically um that might actually be a good idea because when you tell people hey i really really if they because it does have a little bit of baggage with it um and a lot of people especially new people who don't know anything about the scene of youtube critics and you know objectivity subjectivity they just want to watch the movie criticism i think that would be very useful yeah all right then i shall sort that out um well maybe what you can do is right before you upload part two you upload part one the condensed part one so that they're both out you know at the same time i mean it should be all right because it's on the moola channel so most people won't be okay too upset i don't think all right yeah that'll be pretty good yeah but yeah thank you for the responses in chat i i'll definitely no we don't accept criticisms i've been told so i just want to make sure everyone knows we've we've been getting requests to check out that the last Jedi are stalling balance to the fandom video i don't know if you guys know about that one but uh i saw a bit of it and i was like oof so that's another tlj video obviously but it's covering um how bad it is how fans have responded and a bit about art critique and he does talk about objectivity and subjectivity so uh we will probably cover that video the next time we're covering a tlj one which could be the one after the colonial marine stream you say that like i mean but that's probably true that's probably that's still happening people still happening we tested it and it works it's still happening um yeah i've definitely noticed so you don't have to send it that's on the queue a correction i said the peter quill was abducted in 1981 it's 1988 in the mcu so the the whole thing about gallagher actually makes sense if um that's what i said and then we checked in i was like oh shit that's not right but apparently it was just because it's a difference between the comic continuity and the film continuity i think but i could still be wrong on that but yeah i just wanted to make sure it was said um and apparently the difference between hulk and bruce banner remembering what each other do is something that is in ragnarok specifically like the whole like he was buried into the hulk and he does have a line of dialogue for that apparently i don't know if i'd have to rewatch the films to know like you know who here even remembers the incredible hulk with edward norton like i don't remember what the rules even are for the hulk so the only other thing was uh some people were commenting about how thanos could just make resources is singularly enough to ruin the film like shouldn't that be enough to say that the entire film is ruined um i'd be like maybe plot wise but there's loads of character stuff to consider why everybody's going through arc wise and that's like the lion man and everyone else so the the film itself i suppose i just agree there's complicated to break down if you have something that fundamentally breaks it but end game could fix that you know we kind of need to see that before you could probably judge it definitively but i do agree that's um it would if especially if the film established you could do it it would be a significant problem so the things that i wanted to just um get out oh and someone left a comment saying does morla honestly think that ant man and the wasp infinity war and civil war are well written and i thought that was interesting because i was like oh well that man the wasp is like meh infinity war is like great with loads of flaws and then civil war is yes i think civil war is really well written yeah i think that i mean ant man and the wasp the writing it's funny i think it's it's trying to it's a comedy essentially um in your opinion in my opinion in my opinion it is uh well i'm not gonna say we actually agreed with a lot of the infinity war writing flaws when we were doing that video and a lot of people seem to think that we were like super against the idea that it has flaws like no we agreed with a bunch of them no i'm down for it yeah um we even agreed with cinemas and far far out waste of bad yeah i sounded like an edgy teenager when i talked about aquaman the movie was faithful to the comic don't care had the qualities of an epic fail no yeah i don't i don't particularly care if it's faithful to a comic that i haven't read i mean honestly i think the comic was a bad idea in the first place because who the who cares about a mr fishman i want to find the stingray who killed steve urwin and ask why that's the plot of aquaman that would have been a better plot than the one we got so and this is one the i know rags will have a take on this so so i i got a lot of criticism from a particular person i'll just remain nameless again arguing that i need to take responsibility for the damage that uh kelly marie tran ryan johnson etc have received because people use my videos as reasoning to attack people who help create the film even though it doesn't matter if my video did or did not promote violence what the fuck is that criticism breeds violence yeah i was gonna say like do i need to count to that argument i don't even like it's so ridiculous and they went they were going on for ages about this and they were like everybody has a responsibility to acknowledge the influence they have whether or not they intended it and it's the idea is like it's how can you say that my videos are influencing violence yeah i i wouldn't oh that's true megan fox should be fucking dead wait what did she do no i'm just saying like oh trustful was right everyone was criticizing the transformers movies rightfully so by that logic she should be fucking dead well in fairness in fairness shyla buff did lose his mind he did he did yeah that's not a name i've heard in a while but i i would go on as a his capture the flag streams i'd like to see people's progress i would agree that to a degree that you have like a responsibility but only in the sense that you should oh i would say you don't have a responsibility over what other people to do well over over the actions of other people if you especially if you haven't told them to do anything you know like if if mauler went out and said you everyone watching this video should go out and harass kelly marie tran if he had said that then yeah obviously it'd be a different story but i don't know how many times we have to say that you shouldn't do that before it sinks in like what what do you want us to do exactly like i would i would ask this guy what he wants us to do well he actually said that in nowhere in my videos do i denounce any kind of harassment i was like you don't even watch the streams under you yeah we clearly don't can condone that that's obviously ridiculous until we all agree until we all agree that the last jedi is the best star wars movie well we we just support harassment that's that's how it feels it's like can you at least make a video positive about the film to balance it out it's like what no it would be like a footnote save the cast save them and yeah so say the movie's good this is this is one of the points so it was like people want to use mauler's videos to be considered righteous when attacking ryan johnson for example at that point is mauler not responsible for the hatred these people receive no absolutely not that's that's ridiculous this is where i mean i just i was like how the fuck how is that fair what if someone wrote a book on cooking and someone used it to murder somebody you wrote this like i mean it's that's insane someone made a solid point in the chat if we were used to help harassment then walt disney is responsible for hitler because his films persuaded him into failing his art career there you go let's let's go even further everything is the fault of our common ancestor because not to mention hitler hitler had like a picture of walt disney in his office or something or was the other way around are we responsible for anything isn't it all our parents fault the other ones that brought us here yeah technically enough of this craziness how dare um yeah i think that's about it i'm seeing if there was anything else um but we don't i we've been going for uh 59 minutes but we don't address criticism we haven't even gotten into what we got here to do we've here this is the longest intro i do would happen we had so many memes and points and stuff but yeah okay we couldn't we can totally get into uh into because this is the thing we try and read read as many comments as possible on on efap i'm aware the rag zone wolf check them out too it's just that i don't get to everything and i try and get to the most notable or if there's a selection that i can uh you know you talk about all in one that's the best way to do it but yeah no we don't like criticism we never talk about it there's some uh there's some unsettling super chats i've seen from evil toad someone who claims to uh i don't know i guess be in the bedroom a little whistle to it when you sleep it's like oh right right hear it from under your bed he also said that he makes your pillows oh well that's kind of him that's kind of nice so the video a little disturbing but the video we're supposed to be talking about it's called bad media criticism now i had one run through it when i was playing a video game and i remember finding the a lot of the points were fair and a lot of the points were vague but my perspective could change when really thinking about everything that's said but it's supposed to be a sort of uh review of reviewers in the modern age and what's wrong with them and i i think she tries to sort of draw a history of how this all came together so don't attack this person leave her alone is that what people want us to say because we never condone that shit anyway yeah all right everyone put on your reader response theory helmets helmets we gotta yeah protect you from altered opinions it's like the uh like the helmet that um god who's the old dude in xben patrick steward yeah shut i just gotta call him patrick steward you know the one oh you're talking about cerebro i thought you'd you'd reference the magneto helmet yeah well no i was referencing what was it called against cerebro okay yeah that's what i was talking about i just forgot the name of the helmet see most people think you're talking about magneto you're a bad meme uh well sorry that everyone else forgot that xavier has a helmet too let's keep the helmets juggernaut also has a helmet i realized there's loads of soup chest i need to read but i like do you want us to stop this video or do we take a break for that too i feel like we should probably do it help me through the video or something otherwise we'll never get going yeah we gotta get on track i'm sure there might be a time stamp for when we actually start e fapping but we don't address chris so that's fair enough all right everyone good to go uh yeah yeah excellent hi welcome to my youtube channel my name is detail detective and i'm here to tell you why all your favorite media is terrible in my five part video this i hate her already she has a night veil poster i noticed that wait what's night veil oh is it is it to not be spoken of no i've heard i've i have i've heard of it um he who shall not be named but it's made it's oh man oh yeah and she's totally she's playing a character right now in case the oh she is oh okay okay i got you so is she just don't like design no she's she's gonna she's posing as what we get now which is five parts oh you know i'm i'm gonna give a benefit of the doubt i'll just let this play out you'll you'll get the joke terrible in my five part video this children's show is garbage and here's why part one the plot so in this frame fairy princess sparkle tina's sash is sky blue and in the next shot of her her sash is cerulean shame clearly the animators do not care about thousand to more than 200 000 whoa who did that who how dare you was it me jumped wolf and i didn't do it what i did i've been prince bloody sword when he was a baby oh let me guess because she doesn't want to kill anyone we all know what that means sparkle tina's a fascist fairy princess adventure is officially canceled i agree over so like you get it right like the idea of taking something called fairy princess and analyzing it so deep to the point where you draw political motivations out of it and you take a tiny issue like changing of a small color in a frame of a piece of clothing and you reference that as the reason the animation is fucking dreadful because i agree with both of those points but the funny thing is i think those points apply to people that aren't us not that i'm saying she's directing it to us she doesn't mention us or reference us i'm just saying she's mocking a person called lily orchard who's that oh i i've never heard of him i think it's interesting though what one thing she said um i don't agree that all art is political i think that's nonsense i think that people conflate that with the idea that if you're anal enough you can find anything and somehow attach something political to it i've heard the argument that if you take no stance right the hell retribution was so political if you take no stance in politics that is a stance therefore everything is politics i think i think it's used as a justification i think so too for a lot of people to put politics into things and say well it was political all along or something along those lines but i don't agree that all is political and i'm thinking about doing i would make the argument that some things are intrinsic to humanity irrelevant of politics and you'll be like like what like i don't know breathing oxygen there's nothing political in relation to that apples are not political apples what if policy unless it's an organic apple i'm going to pedant you i'd be like what about a policy to increase gmo's or some crap that affects the apples what about people who are like i don't eat fruit because they're it's evil like what i don't eat apples because that's what made adam and eve be all bad and then we all are damned for some reason red apples exist is there a scenario for communism everything to be made political is like possibly but i just i hate the idea that you can watch a movie and then you're like they didn't say anything political that is a stance like it is i didn't realize uh but yeah you know um the idea that you nitpick polish nitpick media until you pull politics out of it which is what i i think a lot of people do yeah no i agree but i think it's happening when critics criticize critics like you know how we've been told we're alt right all the time like drawn from what and it's like well they watch you are anything else yeah they're really long it looks like when i was on twitter and people would say i'm alt right or and or i support autocracy or ridiculous things like that i'd say could you provide evidence for that and like never can and i was like why where do you even get these things do you remember when we covered movie bob um and he said he was doing a parody of like people criticizing black panther and he took quotes from my video one for one and then he started talking about like political positions in relation to i think it was race i can't remember or migration or immigration sorry um to imply the i may be criticizing black panther but it's a political undertone and if you watch my black panther video there isn't a politic point in there even when even when sin sins went after me for it he didn't actually say i had a like there's nothing political he just thought i got bits in the wrong film wrong well it's so easy nowadays to do the whole oh you criticize this thing well i think that's a political position political well the thing is if you criticize black panther and i believe that black panther is inherently political that means that what you're doing is you're taking an opposing political stance to what in my mind black panther is saying politically which means you hate black people and yeah so i think this problem there are a lot of people who say that this problem exists for critics of critics which is why this is getting very meta but um yeah it's so i don't necessarily agree with uh disagree with her what i'm getting at it depends on who she's aiming it at i don't know what that means sparkle teen is a fascist fairy princess adventure is officially did you see that uh do you guys know about that movie it's going to 39 oh don't worry about it should be fine um the the movie sky something it's about superheroes i forget i came out like 10 years ago sky high is this guy yeah okay there's a guy who made a video recently explaining how sky high is fascist okay and i see everyone's reaction is laughing and it's like i haven't seen the video but i haven't seen that movie since i was like 10 but people who think that starship troopers is fascist so well i mean red light media think that right well here well here's the thing starship troopers is fascist in a very good way it's not ill well is the thing i i've seen the arguments against that and i i actually find i really want the people on both sides to have a really a good discussion about that you know i mean like figure it out because i'd love red light media to think about is it really fascist or not and to reconcile let's just say the additional information about the movie because um i love starship troopers is fucking great it's a bug planet it's a fray i'm just saying so the federation did nothing wrong this is this is absolutely true over the past three years media criticism and video essays have blown up in popularity lindsay ellis's channel went from about five thousand subscribers at the beginning of 2016 to more than half a million now dan olson or folding ideas has gone from about 2000 to more than 200 000 and scores of new video essay channels like me big joel or taylor j williams have started popping up i don't know any personal i know lindsay ellis and folding ideas i don't know the other ones she mentioned but i haven't even i don't even know who lindsay ellis is it gives me a solid check it gives me the impression that her let's call it what would you say like her selection is a little biased in that one of my favorite video essayists well i've got a relatively unknown specific old tv show essayist i got a guy who covers old video games and how they've uh been sort of their legacy and what they meant and then a guy who does gun reviews as video essays then uh er you know i don't even need to explain that are there do i be like this the um the ones i would recommend are completely fucking different while the ones she's just recommended are all like they go out together and hang out regularly and i know you can see that about us but i'm saying like yeah if you said my favorites are more the rags and wolf i'd be like oh he probably watches e-fab like if to me if you're gonna be making a broad criticism or celebration yeah she just listed all the people that would be in a youtube rewind yeah i'm interested in how it seems like she's not really selected from a from a larger group behavior whatever that's not necessarily bad who knows what our arguments are like currently quantity doesn't always equal quality and sadly a lot of what passes itself off as good faith media criticism is not in particular content like cinema sins the nostalgia critic and more recently a lot of multi hour video essays dedicated to certain shows end up doing i haven't done a show yet okay you're right what i don't know if cinema sins is bad faith um he said he sometimes will deliberately lie for a joke does that count as bad faith um i mean it's like if a stand-up comedian makes up a story about their friend to tell a joke i think i i don't know if if you're doing something for comedy you know that's sort of its own thing it's sort of like comedy exists in sort of its own bubble yeah i'm not sure i'd be comfortable in saying that she's uh that cinema sins is bad faith yeah i don't know if i'd say that either i tend to give people the benefit of the doubt you know yeah i think it's called being you know deliberately obtuse you know to you know pretending to be an idiot to sell a joke i've done i've done that a couple times her multi hour thing because some people like is that directed to me i don't think it's directed to me i'm not sure she knows about my channel um she mentioned lily orchard earlier or you guys mentioned in chat that that's who she was uh parodying lily orchard has done multi-hour series of critique on cartoon tv shows so i think that's what she's referencing and nostalgia critic is bad faith yeah i wouldn't i don't think i'd go i'd say that i think i just say bad content maybe i mean but that's a different thing i mean i would say most people who make bad content are doing it in good faith also if people say it is directed to me like it is directed to me what do you want me to do if she's just says it's long i'm like okay arm and they do good i know this is probably pretty ironic coming from the person who likes to make videos complaining about certain tv shows for a living especially because i too like to use attention grabbing titles and thumbnails to encourage people to watch my videos and it's very possible that some of my own videos have fallen into some of the traps that i'm going to talk about here i mean i like to think this stuff i make is you know analytical and good but i'm not discounting the possibility that it isn't always along a similar vein i'm also not saying that the people who create bad media criticism are bad people just the content they create all right you just called people doing things in bad faith though yeah so that's a so that's a character assessment just to clarify bad faith means you did it uh like with to make it simple it's like to be disingenuous or for bad reason yeah you're deliberately dishonest you're doing it with the intention to lie to the person or to to manipulate them or you'll do it yeah what you just said dishonest intentions would be you can't say that people are doing things in bad faith but also i'm not saying they're bad people it would be like if if i broke down a scene and i said i don't know uh jim wanted to do everything to kill this character and then there's this moment in the scene with jim goes i just i don't want to kill this guy i'll do anything to stop it and i just go i'll just leave that out of my analysis it gets in the way like it's ruining my my point so i'm just gonna leave that out and you'd be like well that's not not you're not being you're not being honest then i'd be like you know i'm just doing i think that's probably part of what she's referencing to be honest which i agree with again like this this in concept is fine i think what she's saying because it's all true it's like the people who exist who do bad yeah i think some of them a lot of people in the chat are pointing out what she'd do in with her hands she's using it to explain things good what i primarily want to talk about is bad faith criticism of media and why i think it's ultimately harmful to the in my opinion good idea of analyzing the things we like so first of all how did we get here oh lord no so i saw the phrase brief history i'm gonna take a bathroom break i'll be right back oh it makes sense it does somehow make sense i love how he assumes he saw quint and he's like oh i gotta take a shit wait wait where's quintin oh you guys for some reason i've noticed on e-fab everybody's like three seconds ahead of me oh shit 319 oh no here's the real weird thing mauler i seem to for the first time ever actually be perfectly in sync with you oh excellent your hand movements are justicles that makes total sense i'm just gonna keep posting jared's face now makes me happy oh my god that video with thor jared it was so perfect i guess rags is probably gonna be back in a few seconds i feel like ston up superchats is gonna be pointless he's gonna go on the newspaper well you did you did say last time it goes outside i think was it since it was like you go outside that he was like i'm not gonna shit where i sleep um i wish i had started oh it was a him come on rags you can do it waiting for him to sway loudly is that all coming from rags's mic i have returned excellent rags are you making a cyborg you ready for a brief history of media criticism christus epizetism no sure sure i'd love to hear a brief history of youtube media criticism let's do it it all began with a trip to the zoo oh i love it i actually was recommended that video we're here today yeah really yeah i get recommended a lot of videos from like 10 years ago for some reason some of various films tv shows games and podcasts on youtube are not new in fact they've existed ever since the platform did and if you follow any history of youtube most people will cite the angry video game nerd is one of the first youtube content creators to bring media criticism into the collective consciousness of mainstream was created james roll god damn it did you skip for anybody else just then we're at two minutes 36 seconds right now you're like jumped and i always wonder if it was just me or not i think it's just she's got really weird editing i'm pretty sure that was the video about maybe the collective consciousness of mainstream youtube in 2006 shortly after youtube was created james roll started posting videos where he would play james ralph a really angered bitter guy ran about various video games and this is an interesting case this is a guy who in his early videos was definitely playing a character in these videos the nerd was the butt of the joke the intention was to laugh at this pathetic guy getting overly offended about old video games i would agree though it's not that he didn't highlight genuine issues with these games yeah that doesn't invalidate what the character says i'm not saying she's saying that yeah no that's true we're gonna be very careful with this so yeah what she said is technically true i just want to have the addendum that uh when you'd watch his videos you would get informed as to how these games would or would not uh be shit i'll be the easy way to put it even though he's playing a character but a strange thing started happening people took his reviews seriously they liked him pretty soon ralph started making serious reviews and videos it's so strange that they decide to take him seriously that's crazy but it's almost like this whole time they found a reason to find him serious like you can you can play a character like plinkett plinkett's a character but you can take him seriously because he's saying serious things it's like he makes one he makes one joke and it's like well the whole thing's a joke and it's like no no when he like does a serious breakdown of the characters of the phantom men is i don't think he's joking and it's good to see macaulay colkin out there you know he seems like a nice guy we should get him on yeah oh god macaulay colkin please i can't spell your name your weird fucking name but please please come on to efap with us and please bring some of your meth no i hear he's a really nice guy i mean we you can tell he's a nice guy i've watched the red light media shit that's just fun yeah you can be a methad and a nice guy at the same time this is yeah this is possible yeah doing doing meth is not anti-methad dude Greg Sestero talked with them and they both wore bunny ears for the whole show it was great this is the reasons why you should definitely come on just say also uh Ben Shapiro if you want to come on efap we will humanize your platform no no your platform guys we can't humanize the Jews we know this we need to get that list that manifest of who we can humanize from quintin very soon rolf started making serious reviews of video games and sharing his genuine opinions not only that but other youtubers quickly started was she holding between her fingernails do you think she's she like plucked a fly out of the air and i was just about to say that that would be she's holding a small fly she didn't kill it she didn't kill it it's right there it's struggling yeah so guys make sure you look at her eyes if she glances down and gives it like a glare then we'll know that she's like torturing it she's like slowly painfully squeezing the fly to death oh it's a terrible thing why do you have to make so why couldn't the happy fly be stroked by her people are gonna say that we don't focus on the real crisis or just having fun we're just having some fun z's with whoever this is i don't even i've never i don't know this person never heard of alt-right youtubers mola wolfen rex all right youtubers like a size video for hand gestures hate women literally more than anything else yeah you know it is such a strange hand gesture though it's like she doesn't know what to do with her only that but other youtubers quickly started to imitate his format even going so far as to even going so far as to oh she let it go oh no because it's already been discussed if you haven't seen no no he has never made an interesting video in his life i'm sorry i'm sorry she likes quinton so we're gonna have to put up look you you could see the outline of his you and a brow i won't talk about this too much mainly because it's already been discussed okay if you haven't seen it off he must have just shaved it vast yesterday maybe he he's got a five o'clock shadow on the bridge of his nose i forget which his mouth looks like an elk vagina look look in fairness oh you know rex don't do it don't do it okay space va like oh my god i went to the rocky mountains two years in a row and i saw a lot of elk but i didn't think to myself you know what i kind of want to know is your mistake well that was not a mistake i just it's just a bunch of pictures of dear fucking what did you expect very disappointed um oh god there's here we go nine amazing facts about the vagina from slideshare i mean yeah because number four will shock you number four will shock you did you know that the vagina can expand by up to 200% if they're gonna say 200 meters or something like oh man they grow way bigger than i thought i i like in this video about nine amazing facts about the vagina fact number five is there is a g spot oh god they had it's amazing did quinton write that there is a g spot oh my god it's awesome fact number eight is don't shave your feet yes see the rex check out the post spider milk is better than rhino milk change in my mind i like ghost milk is in the cup uh so yeah we're gonna have to listen to what shape your vagina is the point yes if you haven't seen it already a youtuber named quintin reviews had a very interesting video about the angry video game nerds influence over youtube as a whole and i'll link it below uh well i saw that video he basically just reiterates what everybody already knew which is he came first uh it doesn't want no irate gamer did anyone not know irate i don't think so he's just the most famous abgm clone he just did everything the abgm does but worse and he actually got popular for a bit because of the fact that so few people were reviewing media but then he fell off immediately as soon as like more and more people started popping up and he's just a famous clone and that's basically what quinton covers and it's like okay fine you know i wouldn't i wouldn't say it goes much further than that but apparently she thought it was pretty good so check out a quinton video if you guys want to a year later a similar creator ostensibly playing an angry character doug walker or the nostalgic critic surfaced his videos were similarly focused on getting obscenely mad over nostalgic content the main difference being that he primarily focused on movies once again a similar theme started to surface he initially chose to really separate himself from his character making it clear that the nostalgic critic was a pathetic nerd who got angry over nothing but as his content became more and more popular his i don't i don't think that's a fair characterization of the character even yeah i don't know if nostalgic would agree with that i think he'd be like whoa chill out because he's made videos in the past that i've really liked it's like i i watched his video because we talked about him on on on a efap and i went and saw his um video on uh the oprah win-free space thing um wrinkle in time oh yeah i like that video that he did on it like i i enjoyed it so i i mean i don't know i he doesn't seem like like a as far as the content goes it's fine i'm not sure if you know if she's going for the whole like there's the people are combining the character and taking some jokes seriously and it's ruining media criticism i think that's sort of the root here i can't remember and sometimes people don't really address if they're playing a character or not it's like i don't i don't play a character i'm just me with i'm just me you know that's a dog that's just doing the thing man you know i'm around i'm at home all day you know while the breadwinner is out doing his thing i figure might as well do something why is the video skipping around four minutes and 56 seconds will we like okay we we're styles we critic that's what we were yeah yeah we we were looking at his really really really bad thinning hairline how dare you he actually has shaved his hair now yeah and thank god and advice to men since i was talking about shaving your vagina earlier for you guys for you guys since you can't shave your vagina unless you're married then what you do is you need to when you start going bald just take it off man did you just do that by marrying a female that you own here and that's the ownership over her that's what the bible says that's what the bible says mauler that's the word of god hashtag rags is bad fine fine have your slate do it for you jesus fine well that's another matter i'm just i'm just glad i started shaving my head before it ever got that bad yeah man it's not a bad look i don't think a lot of guys really look better than i expected it to be yeah some there are some people i think guys like kind of look better bold than with whatever they had anyway like i think i look a lot better than i did trying to cover up my thinning hairline i mean that's my beard kind of cancels it off cancels it out rather well it looks like it's you know it people never look at a bald guy and it's like that guy you know he's got a thinning hairline no they're like he just don't have he's hey in fairness if i am ever mocked by a bunch of children for being bald a bunch of bears will come out and maul them so that'll be that'll be nice did i miss some things jig did lauren say that a red apple was communism was that a red apple is this communism no because no because there's no food in communism ah right that's like your wolf so you're saying you're a skinhead yes yes he has skin on his head as we all do yeah that's clear that's only skin i thought you were a real wolf done done oh i must oh yeah he's very obsessed with the whole wolf thing and yet he can't grow hair all over his body thick and furry i can grow everywhere except for my scalp apparently just get a trad flat easy content became more and more popular his videos became more about sharing his genuine thoughts in fact nowadays he hosts content on so that that implies that what his character says aren't his genuine thoughts i think she's gonna draw so sometimes it will be sometimes it won't be i think is gonna be her point she's because if i remember this correctly she shows clips from his genuine thoughts quote unquote and then clips from his nostalgic video for the same movies and they're the same statements yeah i guess it goes into what we said earlier with even if there's a character on screen that someone's playing their thoughts good they that's mean they don't have genuine things to say yeah would you what do you guys think about this nostalgia critic was he good for media criticism or bad overall uh can i just do neutral because i'd never liked his content in the first place the reason i want to say neutrals because i don't know i don't know if if he's had an overall bad effect or a good effect he probably inspired people to make videos the videos that i've seen i've liked so from unless he has like some sort of crazy thing that i'm not aware of i'm gonna say it's been positive because like i'm just trying to get the argument to be like oh he's encouraging nitpicking i'd be like but that's not specifically about it depends it's like yeah i wouldn't necessarily say that's bad at all and you can feel like the way people use the word nitpicking these days yeah so i don't know let's just let's see more from her argument the line between what the character thinks and oh god i'm just seeing doug walker talking while hearing her voice for a second i was like wait why is her voice coming up it's not always a huge leap either he's got a very he he not only has a high pitch voice but he high pitches it deliberately so i'm doug walker i did my balls haven't dropped since i was six i think it's it's a presented thing right so they have so what you're saying is that they have dropped yes that was a long time ago is what you're saying well they dropped then shriveled up and like fell that immediately that's an important footnote yeah i feel um yeah he does the whole like hello i'm the nostalgia critic i remember it so you don't have to it's like the whoa i think quirky yeah it reminds me of like um kids tv presenters sort of things with a like hey everyone let's do it it's like fuck you yeah encourage me to grace on my nerves at times you're blurred until you got a sort of review style that was just an angry guy sharing his genuine negative opinions about media but like with a lot of screaming and swearing and this review style angry man screams about how terrible things are did dominate youtube for a long time tell i mean isn't that what my rages kind of are i mean i as long as the criticisms are good that's fine with me i was about to say i don't think i have a problem with angry man rages that thing because that's entertainment usually i mean that's why we like it being angry rather than neutral and then well you know how i bet most of to be fair i bet most of them were white white was it so deca deca shadow deca shade something i forget the name of the youtuber but he made the video he made on predator when it came out i just empathize them so much because he just gets so fucking angry talking about all the the stupid lore breaks and how stupid the film is and seeing the person get angry you're like yes yes rip it apart like that's what i've been told that when i get angry they like connect with it you know they say wow he really cares about it he's like i generally when i as long as i'm not being hyperbolic and i don't use it so much that people don't know when it's real or not when i get angry i people tend to appreciate that that's just been my feedback yeah i know i just maybe i'm just funny when i'm mad i don't know i think in the case of them being angry or neutral the important part is the accuracy i would say yeah fringy hilarious when he's mad but that's also because he's got an australian accent and they're just naturally funny it's true that's not to say that channels based on thoughtful critiques of various forms of media didn't exist you did have some similar channels who were affiliated with channel awesome that made analytical content i mean lindsay ellis started making videos oh that's lindsay okay i don't i can't speak to nostalgia chicks content back in channels in days i don't remember it i don't remember many people's to be honest yeah i don't know it's weird sometimes she has like really excellent content and then like she forgets how to make good content i've seen good videos and bad videos from her her hobbit videos were really great and i was like oh maybe i should subscribe and then she made like some other video right after that i was like oh let me guess it was women deserve equal rights and you hated it absolutely i knew it an eight albeit not remotely at the same analytical level as for videos today but with a few notable exceptions like beyond the trailer these youtubers were not the ones receiving the most clout rather critics who were the most popular preachers largely into the angry screaming dude mold and aspiring critics mostly imitated them hey i don't know any of it all i don't know there are these people either look look they're all white so they're all the same i recognize grace randolph and lindsay ellis the two that she said they fell away and these guys took the stage of like i don't even i eat you isn't like isn't that grace chick isn't that grace chick known for being really terrible now she's lost everyone's face i i was you know i never knew a lot about it but i saw her solo and i think predator review i can't remember but i remember she like you know genuine this is just my feelings on the matter but she came across very um she was paid to write this review not not paid to give it a good review paid to write it as in she was taken out there given a screening given food and board or whatever and told like yeah here's a here's a slight like the kind of reviewer that makes me feel like here's your special screening we paid for your plane ticket enjoy your fancy water bottle yeah she might absolutely be genuine uh and and i i don't think i've i don't think i thought of reviews were like bad but i've heard that people are less um encouraged like she was celebrating that she got onto rotten tomatoes i kind of see that as like the kiss of death like why do we want to be on there as a reviewer but it's more official i'd be like oh that's interesting that i was on rotten tomatoes i'd be like huh that's that's a thing i mean luckily i wouldn't be able to be going on there because i don't think i've ever given a star rating or a number rating for a movie or a thing or anything i'd be like nope well they your rating is hours of commentary yeah and i'm like this is just bad this film only earned three hours of commentary from moller so that's like a six out of ten um all right youtube's increase in popularity especially in early 2010 saw a notable increase in the diversity of review content this is when a lot of channels who are now household names began to make videos among others cinema sins screen rent route the movie maker and the black nerd began regularly uploading reviews all using different styles and formats some of these worked and some of these did not while the angry screaming dude style of content did continue to be popular we also saw the rise in drunken peasants is in the chat the official drunken peasants channels in the chat that's hello official drunken peasants hi ben i was on there how's it going ben i assume that's bad drunken peasants are you on rotten tomatoes i don't think so and go to your room this is perfect for the charity mode yeah i'd like to wonder if that's ben or if that's billy i'm hoping it's ben pie i would guess ben pie hi he says hi hi hi ben pie we're um we're attacking this innocent youtuber that's what we're currently up to of these did not while the angry screaming dude style of content did continue to be popular we also saw the rise in formats like two or three people sit down and talk about movies unscripted or stylized reviews with original visuals and one particular format that's recently taken the internet by storm is the video essay it's her it's a strange history she sort of said like it starts sort of with avgn and then everyone started doing the ranty thing and then it's a brief history i guess it's a condensed like i could like i could go to the bathroom and like read this and be like okay i have a brief understanding of youtube criticism i'm just trying to say like i think she was trying to draw a through line so it went from angry avgn to people taking him seriously and generating a lot of angry channels that review media and then a bunch of people were born from that that changed the style to not be so angry question mark and then video essays sort of came around i don't really see the connections like i can accept that as a history i just don't honestly i see people sitting in front of webcam i mean it's a big it's a big swath of stuff that covers a lot of things so hard to say exactly who was the first youtube video essayist mainly because the first youtube videos that functioned as formalized essays read out loud over clips from whatever's being reviewed weren't yet calling themselves video essays with that said one of the earliest very popular people to use this format to criticize media was the nerd writer and i agree with that nerd writer is one of the earliest ones i remember doing what that sort of thing is you uh you know the nerd writer right wolf no no oh wait yes i do yeah because i just forget who he is every time i hear his name he's made this is another guy who i've seen some videos from him i'm like that's cool in some reason i'm just like i'm falling asleep okay this is just me and he does he does the super does the essay voice uh he sounds just right i feel is a clone of nerd writer um not to say that he can't do anything good like his clones can be good but um he really feels like he sort of was generated as a result of just right but i guess a lot of people work is just right sort of popularized that could be fine i mean it's often really good for me to get like the same thing like sort of the same thing but like a different person and their different take on it you know a lot of it comes down to personality that's the thing uh someone said you decide you have videos by request if someone requested one of their own videos would you need to have about it so it's it's we take requests we don't necessarily we take requests and moller decides for us yeah like well we usually check them out and we're like oh could this be suitable i mean there's a lot of criteria but like that the tlj ones i've gotten like 40 different ones and we've only covered i think i want to say six maybe seven i'm not sure but um we're not going to cover more because some of them are like tizmy some of them are like major leagues where i would have said that's tizmy but everyone's like please cover it please like okay we could probably get some entertainment out of it if you guys really want to see it sort of thing but then you know you get people making essays about how i'm dropping it down to the specific hour number and then clarifying that i hate tlj more so than i love soma because that that's normal though his first video upload was over seven years ago his initial videos were primarily unscripted blogs where he discussed his thoughts on various issues like Scientology and the iraq war around late 2013 he started transitioning to scripted film reviews still using the facecam format without any supplementary materials to talk about movies like The Hobbit then in May 20 he made a video called the mythic potential of comic book films in which he discussed various comic book movies with visual and auditory accompaniment from that moment on all of his videos began to use this format to massive success the nerd writer now has nearly two and a half million subscribers of far cry from his vlog days another youtube channel every frame of painting began using the same format around the same time yay i actually like every frame of painting i still i would recommend pretty much all of their videos they're another person that's the problem because everyone tried to copy them and it takes more than just i mean i say this basically just repeating what's in my part one video which some of you probably even remember is just that same point i mean he's so copyable we even copied his name exactly we stole it created by two friends taylor ramos and tony joe their first video analyzing the 2009 film mother was posted in april 2014 their the 2009 film mother i'm pretty sure that came out last year was there another called mother let me take a look oh no yeah there's two films called mother yeah two yo yeah the one by um oh the guy um i'll fuck uh june ho bong yeah all i remember is the bong i'm sorry names are hard but he was the guy who he was involved with the uh development of uh getting i want to say that he helped get the snow piercer movie made oh really that's cool yeah so uh he's it's safe to say he's a big wizard or wizard of Oz what was not all really walkie fan we were really walk god i can't speak william wallis fan i think i'm the big william wallis fan too i think he saw i think he found he found a like a bootleg korean translated version of the comic that snow piercer was uh based off of and he got some people together and he did like the story for the film and the opening of the presentation was we need a sequel to willy wanker okay yes yes no piece of it because it it just so happens that the other day i watched a video about that so that's why i know this it's very strange how it just so happened it's to that that's because i know that it's very strange or you're strange you know really walkie is the origin story of snore piercer snore piercer i'm sorry i'm in a i'm in state of mind it's a new dc superhero who's the most he's more powerful the longer he sleeps he snore piercer look after that jared video i just had to yeah yeah blame it on jared yeah yeah he went to jared that's the way music by may these videos focused primarily on the technical elements of filmmaking like different ways to visually portray text messages on screen or how to best use music to portray emotion although their last video was posted in september 2016 and they've officially announced the end to their channel the format popularized by these two channels remains massively successful and every frame of painting still boasts a million do you know i mean they're like up to this point i pretty much entirely agree with her because it's mainly conceptual sure like i think she's making strong enough points she could be more specific but i don't think she's she's not specific enough i think it's fine and a half subscribers despite its two-year long inactivity although it's doubtful that these two channels were the first people to ever create youtube video essays they were some of the most popular in the formats early days from there many channels followed the video essay craze now you see it started his channel and began creating videos in june 2015 lindsay ellis made her first video essay in april 2016 this was when her channel began to grow into the double digits and folding ideas posted history 10 in august about settling i think she means like 10 the double k digits i don't know if like the triple quadruple quintuple sex i think she meant wait is it quintuple or pentuple uh well that depends you should stick you should keep the language the same so if you're gonna go with quadruple you know what you don't want to mix the latin and greek you think i know the difference between latin and greek i assume i assumed i could google it because you're smart what's a smart how dare you i don't i don't know i mean honestly really writes judging people on their intelligence you bigot he has posted his first video essay in august 2016 once again receiving a massive boost in followers most of these essays primarily focused on either the usage of specific filming and editing techniques to achieve certain effects in film overarching trends in several films or things we may not have noticed about specific films like inglorious bastards or phantom of the opera the first really popular video essays that were primarily modern aspects didn't really work were lindsay ellis's again that's not to say she was the first person ever to do it but she was definitely one of the first people to get really she's gonna like explain why she thinks certain people don't work or is she just going to say it well if everyone just goes with it still got a chunk of video left so i still think this is set up i guess true but she's also said this about like someone else i don't remember who it was it was somewhere closer to the beginning of the video where she says some people do when do not work yeah i don't understand why i mean i would say that lindsay ellis doesn't work all the time and i could make arguments for it i just want to know if she's going to well we're kind of waiting for her to make a statement that we can actually respond to and i guess that's what you highlight in right it's like she's sort of saying things that are just definitively true so we can't really do anything well not even all definitively true because some of the people she's mentioned i've never heard of well popular doesn't mean you heard of it right i actually agree with her that nidrite is pretty popular and uh yeah it's just a matter of whether or not we can really comment on to it much yeah we don't i don't think we need to say like define what you mean by popular and then hit her over the head with a frying pan double digits is popular hey triple digits is popular i mean jared just reached like 500 subs he had an interview with a skeleton super star oh jared explaining why certain things were bad have existed since youtube did we have things like cinemasins and the nostalgia critic but this format an analytical one that was presented in the same style as a formalized essay was relatively new once again this or the appearance of a formalized essay which brings me to one video in particular that i want to talk about sherlock is garbage and here's why is a video essay posted in may 2017 by game critic and leftist youtuber h bomber guy so have you any of you guys seen that video no no i have i think it's really good uh i watched sherlock the show up until season three and i wasn't a fan at that point and i feel like his video goes over a lot of why that's happened and the first i think half of it maybe a third of it is him giving a history for what sherlock is and how it came to be in a tv show and the important elements of what sherlock Holmes is a character is and how the show sort of fucks that up and how it fucks it up itself anyway i think it's a good video and this is part of the whole i think each pommel guy is perfectly capable of making good videos it's just sometimes he doesn't and that's the interesting thing is his ds2 one is fucking dreadful and i think she's probably unaware of that or whatever because you know the whole bad faith thing we were talking about he like took matthew matosis out of context deliberately it was like no real way around it i'm glad she pointed out that these youtuber is a leftist i mean i mean it is it is interesting that she said i agree but it's interesting that she pointed that out it is over half of his content is media criticism the other half is responding to anti sjw's so you could say it's a part of his content that he's a leftist yeah i mean he is a leftist because if you if you i mean i was about to say if you were to refer to us you wouldn't use politics like no they do though they say we're alt right so because oftentimes if you're a leftist and you make videos or you make content or you're right or anything it will never be discussed but if you're anything that isn't a leftist often your political opinions will be inserted into descriptions of you whether or not it's even relevant yeah i think that's probably gonna be the only reference to it i don't know if she's gonna go on about that yeah i think it's interesting i wish i have no problem with it at all i think it's interesting that she says it hi it's nearly two hours long and it goes into an exhaustive list of the various problems associated with the popular bbc show surelock i definitely found myself disagreeing with certain aspects of the video but on the whole it's a well researched video that makes several legitimate points about issues with the show even if i don't fully agree with every criticism he mentions i think it's a well made attempt to engage in good faith with the show he dislikes and i don't have anything negative to say about it wouldn't wouldn't that be a negative thing to say oh well i guess if she's saying she doesn't agree rather than he had bad points then that's not negative then again the word negative is used all the time now right these days yeah it's like more criticized tlj which makes him negative it's like oh is that how that works like of course you're gonna respond of course you're gonna respond negatively to a shitty movie i think if people make videos about the room no one says you're a negative yeah right and if is it responding neutrally to just have the natural response or is it because if i go into hate something it's really good and i'm just like i fucking hate it anyway i don't even be a bit negative but it is strange that she would say that cinemasins and um nostalgia critic are in bad faith when you have her also referring to h bomber guy well this is the problem things he does that aren't bad he's definitively at least done one thing that's what i don't think any of us would say is a small issue the whole selling matthew metosis's video is basically being lies about doxels too it's like don't do that and then take it out of context it's like we're we're well versed in that so we even know about it yeah it's like if anyone's bad faith that you've mentioned so far he seems to fit the bill the most well the fact that she's referenced quinton is making a good video you're like mmm well you're not thank you just pumping that on the end there before we get to you yeah the video currently has nearly three million views and just like the angry video game nerd of days of old it's inspired several in the days of old i'm i'm curious no mention of plinkett yeah that's true plinkett i would say is very influential i think so too very like even articles and stuff especially when plinkett made his the last jedi review and a bunch of quite frankly lefties we're all bitching and moaning about it because it talks about how the movie was bad do you see that the article was like this was read let me this test and they failed sort of yeah something like that and they would mention that plank they a lot of these articles mentioned that plinkett kind of got a lot of this ball rolling in terms of film criticism someone's just mentioned yms and assuming they're saying like is influential i agree but do you know that yms is like almost like 90 influenced by red lair media like self-admitted it's for yms his first video is like a one-for-one attempt at being red lair media or one of his earliest ones he like goes he's puts on the plinkett voice sort of it's like number one and then does the problem thing i was like shit this is like literally plinkett but he found his own style and he is the same sort of other people make more yms is yeah he just put one that on hiatus like it was supposed to come out like before this month but it's not coming out to anywhere and i was just like fuck that's what that's your namesake well he's getting there you just gotta get a few more quickies out let me do that first the thing is because i've been called lazy so this potential context to explain exactly why he's taking a while i'm not saying he's lazy to say oh no someone in chat because i really like them i want to chat so he's lazy no you it's okay i love your rights it's okay those are less good as far as i can find the first use of the blank is that a format um i do actually agree with her that people are using that title and as far as i could tell it started with h bomb a guy and it bugs me the and here's why thing that's what i call my april fools video i put and here's why on the end of it it's i don't think but his follow-up three video i don't think that was very well received was it it's well it's for three almost well received yeah oh wait you mean uh in likes to dislikes that's possible that it didn't go down well but from what i remember a lot of people were critically praising it just that uh um let's just say as far as i could tell fallout fans were very upset with the video because i really liked it so that means that how can he say that it's garbage when i liked it yeah i would have to do more digging to know the truth on that one but it is split quite heavily on terms of how many people like to it's just it's the video it's weird it's weird that when we say something is bad people are down our fucking throats but you know well it's because he's being subjective here subjectivity is implied when he says okay he says fallout three is garbage what he's saying is i think fallout three is garbage okay but you see he doesn't have to put it that way because it's subjectivity allows you to get away with anything old it's inspired several copycats those are less good as far as i can find the first bad media criticism garbage in here hey she's getting the god i know but where is this a molar intro we're like over a third of the way through copycats those are less good as far as i can find the first use of the blank is garbage in here to my youtube format originated with h bomber guide the first time he used it was in a video game review although that one actually has more views than his surelock video it was only after the surelock review came out that people really started to imitate this title structure indeed the past year after his surelock video came out has seen dozens of videos imitating both his titling conventions and the actual structure of his content you cannot what is that a stream that wouldn't be copying seven months ago six views six views after seven months six views after seven months how do you have you need a thousand subs to even stream how does he have maybe maybe it's not a stream maybe it's that's a clip in the video and they do it yeah they recorded it and then maybe they uploaded it looks like they have a live chat though yeah well no it says it would have said it would have said streamed seven months ago so that is a reupload okay okay and leave shell and clock alone man they're just playing maraca eight deluxe and discussing more weird stuff on the internet geez shell and clock this almost looks like it might be a joke though so they're playing maraca clearly and they've titled the episode netflix's full male alchemist is garbage and here's why like almost like they that's part of the discussion you know i don't think this is an actual analysis video oh ben pointed out she said came out came out she's canadian canadian canadian canadians now everything makes sense his surelock video came out has seen dozens of videos imitating both his titling conventions and the actual structure of his content to varying degrees of success two of the most popular videos imitating both h bummer guys branding and his content are two videos by a youtuber named lily orchard respectively titled the legend of kora is garbage and here's why and steven have you anyone anyone seen these no i actually now i i had i couldn't think of her off the top of my head but i think i've seen at least half of that kora video but i don't know there's something about it that made me click off and i was really put off by the fact that she disabled ratings oh yeah generally if i see that someone is disabled ratings i won't even watch the video and like i hate i hate kora and the fact that she made a video shitting on kora and just the fact that she disabled ratings it was enough for me to be like i don't want to watch your content really yeah i as someone said is calling is calling something garbage really original and if if i if someone doesn't have enough confidence in their own to to show their own like and dislike on their video then i just i don't have it instantly cuts my investment just i loved eric's attempt to be like it makes sense because otherwise people will have an opinion before even seeing the video it's like i realize that you've just caused that to happen but yeah i i'm not sure about this i need to check out these videos because ultimately i am firmly in the camp of you can clone a channel and be good at the same time as in like i could copy arguably better you because has anyone seen hack fraud media the channel no so it's a channel that's literally like a clone of plinket but the the the point of it is to cover things that plinket isn't covering right now and he's covered rogue one in plinket style and force awakens in plinket style but the idea is that he's covering more of the plot the force awakens because plinket sort of didn't do as much of that i mentioned it in my video it's it's not even half bad and the comments are saying like drop the plinket voice do your own like your content's good enough now that you don't even need to copy him and i find that quite interesting because it's like he is a clone sure but that's not the reason he's bad because he's not bad and so these videos what i'm trying to say is just because they've copied hbomber guy's naming convention and possibly his style is that bad yeah i don't know i don't know if she's saying if it's bad or good and i don't even know if it's if that's the reason why i'm not sure because you know actually to catch myself in a contradiction i said that um just right is essentially a clone of uh what's his name newt writer but i mean if for anybody who's unaware uh just right is a what i would call a bad clone he's inconsistent he's he doesn't even realize his own standards wrap over himself which is supposed to be in my video he go he he um invalidates the purpose of his channel on live streams you could say yes and that's what i'm referring to so you could be a bad clone but it's likely not even to do with the fact that you're a clone it's more to do with the fact that you're a bad clone if you know what i mean yeah be a good clone don't be a good clone if you're gonna be a clone be a good clone yeah i'm a bad clone of lile and rags is a bad clone of um who's that other dog who reviews random things shit i who know i got nothing cynical reviews cj yeah you copied him 100% oh okay all right and i copied uh who's is it plinky people mostly think i'm a clone of um i don't know i some people think you're a clone of hitler hey will ben yeah he's in the random discussions of a debrief i fucking wrote that shit oh man uh the sober noble days that was that was some good shit uh memories christiansen said satan mckittler satan mckittler oh yeah sorry there's some dp memes in me and will uh we might go over rags and double penetration yeah ben we were there both me and mauler we didn't even know each other yet and we were there with the hashtag we were there yeah hashtag we were there there used to be a clone called the random discussions of an inebriated variety oh yes our similar lengths to h bomber guys at times use the same jokes as his and are structured in the exact same way do jokes interesting but i'm not here to criticize those oh there you go she only said it's interesting apparently she's not really saying that's okay all right here to criticize those videos for being ripoffs or whatever nor are these the only videos that i want to talk about here what i want to do is use these videos as well as channels like cinema sins and the nostalgia critic as examples of what happens when good principles like comedy or criticism get so distorted that they end up doing the exact opposite of good faith criticism here we go this should be it then we're through the rabbit hole here we go so now that everyone is on the same page of visa v contacts i'd like to talk about some of the common i'm going to be honest i i don't so i might be proven wrong here but i get the impression that the last 10 minutes weren't necessary um i'm not sure i 100% agree with that i feel because she's done a lot of disclaimers and the point of them are so that we can't ask questions like hey you know like she said something like just because someone's making bad stuff doesn't mean everything they do is bad or that they're a bad person well not all but not all hashtag not all but i feel like like the history i i almost feel like it's filler at this point but we'll see we'll see if features associated with media criticism that is not good oh inauthentic nitpicking that is an interesting interesting fire inauthentic all right let's hear it one interesting thing to note about some of these media critics is that their niche is centered around specific types of movies or shows you have people who focus mainly on animated films people who focus mostly on religious media and people who focus specifically on things that they don't like on its own there's was that a jab because i was expecting to say movies and she said things you don't like it's like oh pull cinemas in watching so what a lot of these bigger channels do is they review whatever is topical at the moment cgi jungle book movie coming out they'll make a video about the original jungle book new adventures movie so yeah this that's something that cinemasans do do but hey you said do do but uh you said a bad word i alt f 10 i'm saving it i'm all are saying do do yeah your channel's do do because your videos are long that's a little exposed video got them ha ha libtard owned so people point to this highlight smallers with facts and reason oh no logic just facts and reason no no no no logic but fax and williams told us the logic was evil do do bilbo baggins oh hey oppa he's in chat appa bend oppa cinemas sins is indiscriminate to the films not just that but he loved the films that he gave sins to that is true appa bend well there's a thing i guess yeah you could say he's he's just covering them he doesn't hate them all i don't even think he hates a lot of them in his defense he says every movie has sins no movie is free of sin or something like that i think so yeah yes so someone highlighted before that he releases like he won't release the infinity war thingy until the hype for endgame starts starting up he capitalizes on on hype and search terms and stuff it's not necessarily bad at all well this is the thing it's like okay so explain to me why that meets the video bad it's like no i'm saying it's like a dishonest way of it's like how is it dishonest you'd be like the thing is that people will point to that and say see he's only doing it because it's popular which means he doesn't really want to do the video so his heart's not in it okay wait so marketing strategy is not his basic market marketing strategy is not a negative towards him as a fucking as as a content creator like that's what you're supposed to do that's the thing if you've made if you've created a video you go when do i release it as soon as it's done or is there a better time it's like well sometimes go for the weekend because you know people will be free to watch it or maybe a particular time of day and you go that's dishonest you're only releasing it then to get more views yeah why are you releasing it at a tuesday at noon or whatever the magic time is i don't i upload videos at four i am i'm a real indie creator disclaimer not to say that she is saying this we are simply exploring the topic yes that's all we're doing it's like why are people reviewing christmas movies in mid december what a bunch of shills but we love her you know her red hair oh yeah and and look you think if you check into a hotel at three in the morning that person behind the desk really wants to fucking be there are you gonna say that her heart's not in it and that she's like her she's not you know come on also if you say this video is called bad media criticism that's actually kind of interesting with the whole subjective objective thing i'd have to ask her if she or or depending or depending on how the video goes it's an ironically appropriate title oh i see what you mean because she's technically we're going meta i like it topical at the moment cgi jungle book movie coming out they'll make a video about the original jungle book new avengers movie coming out they'll talk about something marvel a popular movie is about to be released to netflix we'll talk about that one whatever is currently relevant is what's most likely to generate the most clicks and that's revenue ben he has brought us a proposition we're streaming for 24 hours from noon on new year's eve until noon on new year's day if the efap guy is what come on oh i i can't say that i'll be around but if i am i can i'm pretty much a message to pass along the america is six hours behind me typically i'm going into a friend's house for new years even i'll be back home at like 1 a.m my time and if they do it for 24 hours that probably means i could come on i would probably be able to come on for like a little bit later on but i do have to work that night and i'm eastern standard but yeah i don't i don't know if i'll be home i might be out and about for new years so i can't say shall we just say that we will all attempt to come on if i'm i if i am able i will absolutely go on you bet all right that's um i'll i'll message you on twitter uh ben with the results as in i'll probably contact rags and wolf and see if we can come on together or uh tell you tell you when we can come on i guess if that's good yeah should work out it could be fun we'll talk about how everything is terrible and welcome in 2019 like the shows we are we only talk about things we hate we only talk about the star wars look at this video it's just star wars this girl is star wars it's like god talk about something else once again there's nothing in here and i lost it because i forgot i didn't i forgot you were being sarcastic god damn it i was gonna say her she's more like uh dr who looks like she works again her bed is her bed is like the universe that's your opinion the most revenue once again there's nothing inherently wrong with talking about things that are popular but when your niche is negative reviews and you're pretty much bound to viewing specific movies it no longer becomes about your actual opinion okay you're gonna have to rewind oh that's a statement oh wow let's hear that again folks my gutter hands again to generate the most clicks and thus the most revenue okay once again there's nothing inherently wrong with talking about things that are popular but when your niche is negative reviews and you're pretty much bound to reviewing specific movies it no longer becomes about you giving your actual opinions so i think her point is yeah if you're only gonna be negative and you cover anything that's popular then it's probably not even gonna be about your opinion anymore it's just you trying to generate one that matches that criteria she can be right about this in certain uh perspective in certain areas but it doesn't mean it's not their opinion yeah how do you how do you determine because when like when you say that something is being done in bad faith i tend to give people a benefit of the doubt because that's a character assessment of somebody and there's a reason why i would say somebody's doing something in bad faith similarly this is kind of getting into somebody else's head so unless you see that being made manifest in some work that they do then i would i would wonder why she's well people think she's not wrong uh she's done it as a catchall which is why i think she is wrong she's right in certain circumstances for example cinema sins is like i gotta rip into infinity war i'll watch it and i'll write down every problem i can find and then he does it does that mean he thinks the film is bad i think that's something that a lot of people take from cinema sins but i don't think he's ever said that has he i don't know i can't be sure but i don't he usually just says these are things that went wrong in it and you'd be like well that's not your opinion because you went out in hating us in the first place it's like well no if me rags and wolf were to watch a film we were told to collect all the things that we think were errors that wouldn't then not be our opinion i mean i'm wondering what she's referring to because it is very it's a very broad net she's casting is she talking specifically about cinema sins because i feel like it's kind of being implied here like i said i think in concept she kind of does make some sense the whole your criteria is you have to be negative and it has to be popular things covered therefore it's less about you and more about nailing those checkboxes but the thing is they could still line up with your opinion like so that's not definitive and she's been careful about this throughout this video making disclaimers like i'm not saying this i'm saying this but this one was a bit of a bit of a blanket but fair enough we'll keep things like if you pause the movie at this exact very specific moment you can tell they're using a stunt double so movie bad okay that i feel like is the jump when people highlight there's a stunt double that's fine with me but when they say all of the movie is now bad i'd be like okay that's stupid but has cinema sins done that even ever i i don't i mean he says himself his like little tagline is that no movie is free of sin so he's not saying that every movie ever made is bad because there can something can be found wrong with every movie those things can add up as the super chat highlights i wonder if she has this criticism for i hate everything you know just by they below it yeah i i would be curious who said something along these lines i mean with cinema sins you can kind of tell sometimes like by his tone what what is what he thinks is a bad movie and what he thinks is a decent movie just with problems but i think because he's not personalized like other other reviewers and other channels that people kind of like kind of detached from that and people just they just assume he hates everything like yeah even his in his tone isn't really negative i don't think that like when i listen to cinema sins when i rarely ever do i i don't it he doesn't sound angry he sounds like he's having fun when he's making the video my issue with him is mainly just accuracy i don't really care about the style i find it fine in fact if he was really accurate i'd probably be subscribed to him i could totally see myself enjoying it i just hate listening to him say something and i'm like that's not true and then he moves on to the next thing i'm like yeah like when he says the title is too long or there's no lap dance in this scene i mean most people are like this isn't actually a problem with the movie he's just doing the look he's not he's just making a funny you know another thing he's sort of you know he said like i get things wrong deliberately to make jokes sometimes it's like you're dangerously close to pretending like you never deliberately you never made a mistake because it's all deliberate you know yeah i'm actually you know what we've we've almost opened up the case for criticizing cinema sins is complicated now it's like it's not it is because yeah but i don't think it's because of us i think it's because of kind of how he goes and he kind of lumps it all together it's just one thing after another ding ding ding ding and some are some are fair legit real criticism like real quote unquote real criticisms and some are just like ha no lap dance in the scene but i'm i am curious has he ever said in a cinema sins video this film is bad has he said that anyone ever remember that uh yes in his fourth transformers movie review he very much hated it however i will defend him to the death on that that movie is awful you're gonna defend him on the uh yeah all right i got that's funny this is the thing i i believe he probably would have i'm just curious because he definitely doesn't do it in every review i don't remember well whatever you call them i don't know if people call them reviews or people call them uh would you call them reviews they are videos this is true um they are videos there we go we've nailed it they are videos i i agree they are videos in my but like he said cars three was but there was a cars three there was a car three yeah there was a there was a cars three really it had the jackass army hammer in it i knew there was a cars two but i also knew that nobody really liked it i didn't know they made cars three it is a 70 percent audience score on the tomato site rotten tomatoes the tomato i wish i brought me i wish i could put any amount of trust in rotten tomatoes but they also gave the last Jedi of beaming review i went to audience score and there are 20 oh okay the audience score yeah yeah yeah i was gonna say fuck critics i know i know more trust or less trust uh cinema scenes or rotten tomato sorry because of they are what they are it's a group of people who give their perspective and that gets rounded up to a plus or negative and then those get rounded up into a score like that's all it is so if you know if they say 100 for um uh wolverine their tomato meter is 69 which is fresh but the average review is 6.1 out of 10 so someone said bringing the hugging girl back yeah you see like the american the american education something like whenever you got 100 that was an ape loss and whenever you got like a 70 that was an a plus whenever you uh like 90 to 89 or some shit like that that was that was a b and in the 70s that was 90 to 90 to 89 is those are adjacent numbers 80 to 89 80 to 89 is a b 70 to 79 is a c and uh 60 69 and so on and now they're going like 10 is essentially yeah so how is it so how is something fresh if it has a 69 well it doesn't know it has a 6.1 out of 10 is the average rating that's the that's the average so there are 146 fresh and 65 rotten and that's still certified fresh with a 69 percent because that's the percent of uh the percentage of approved critics um even though the the rating is a 6.1 out of 10 which most people would say is not certified fresh yeah that's that would be a d if we were talking about like a test but the the ad the user the audience score is percentage who rated it 3.5 or higher so they don't use really the same metric for critics as they do for audiences so even though the audience yeah so their audience score is 1 percent above the critics but they rate it as positive only if it's 3.5 or higher and the average rating is barely over 3.5 it's at 3.7 out of 5 so it is what it is trash is what it is they did it okay the way the way they did it okay yeah so all I was gonna say though is I empathize with cinema sins getting the the criticism they pointed out nitpick and then they say film is bad because of nitpicks like they said the same thing you said about me and I'm like I don't do that I just point out the nitpick leave me alone and then some people like well why'd you do it at all it's like because it's about filmmaking I don't I don't care to ignore nitpicks I like highlighting them and talking about why they may have happened and what they do I like talking about movies leave me alone when you're watching a bad movie that shit can pile up and wear you down at this exact very specific moment you can tell they're using a stunt double so movie bad I see no reason to be vague I'm mostly talking about cinema sins here although other okay but Paul I'm never saying that I mean I don't watch most of the stuff that man if he if he did say that that is ridiculous I will agree but I don't think she can show a single time where he said this film is bad because of this stunt double being noticed I don't think that's ever happened this as well but cinema sins is particularly frustrating with this and that's mostly because the channel is extremely popular and it informs how a lot of people look at media I won't talk about this for too long mostly because Lindsay I would kind of say that being anally over critical I think would I think it's better to be anally over critical than to have a really low bar yeah because this is where the conversation evolves to it's like what is the relevance of highlighting a nitpick then if it's not that you're saying the movie's bad because of it and as as Lauren just said it's like if you had a thousand nitpicks maybe that's significant maybe that's like oh that's a lot what are they and are they all are they all indicative of a singular problem like are they all related to bad props or they're all related to bad stunts or they're related to horrible writing I don't know like I'm curious if you got two people and one is just a normal average normie who goes as much as movies and stuff and then you compared that with the same average normie who otherwise is identical except that they consume an immense amount of cinema sins and that kind of informs how they watch movies to a degree I wonder how they would both view movies differently if at all and this I highlighted again this in my video but I stand by this if you do the reverse these people will not complain if you say oh yeah because this tiny thing is good they go oh that's good that's good that they highlighted that that's a cool detail but in reverse it's a nitpick it's like tearing things down it's like criticism in one way is you know criticism is bad praising good yeah it's just like people why can't you just be positive I like feeling good when I watch youtube videos be positive which is why I think we'll agree the position that cinema wins is not better than cinema sins by virtue of being positive that's right it's about accuracy it informs how a lot of people look at media I won't talk about this for too long most films are getting made I mean the guys who made the winter soldier were such big fa