Great. And happy holidays. Thank you. And to you and your family as well. Enjoy. Thanks. I will catch up with you soon. Sounds good. Thanks. Take care. Hi, Jim. We are recording just so you know. Thank you for that. Yep. I have a minor issue with the minutes on the open meeting. I'm trying to find the requirements to close right now. One of them. Save where you met. Okay. Let's hold off on that until the. Just letting you know. Okay. Great. Thanks. And I'm also, you know, I'm going to be working on it. Not looking at anything while I find a lawn. Okay. I'm going to mute. Until we have our quorum. Hello, how are you? Good. Just so you know that we're recording already. And I will keep on mute until we have our quorum. Hello, Ellen. We are recording. So I just wanted to let you know. And we do have a quorum, but I maybe I'll wait one. Okay. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. How are you? Okay. Great. So everybody's here. We have a quorum. I will read and show it just so you know, we've already started recording. Okay. I will read my opening spiel that I have to read. Pursuant to governor Baker's March 12th, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law. Chapter 30 a section 18. This meeting of the Amherst public art commission is being conducted via remote participation. I'll have to do a roll call check to make sure everybody can hear me and we can all hear each other. So. Amy Crawley. Yeah. Ellen Kiter. Yeah. Shona King. Yeah. Jim Barnhill. The meeting is being recorded to the web and could be shown on Amherst media and broadcast on the town of Amherst YouTube channel. The meeting is now called to order. We have no attendees as of now. I will let you know if anybody pops up, I guess you'll probably see it too. So how's everybody surviving the snow? Anybody having fun in the snow? Like my family is. It's been really fun. It's been fun. Cross country skiing a little bit. It's been, it's actually been nice. Fun. My kids went skiing yesterday. Great. Where'd they go? Berkshire East. Oh yeah. We, we don't really do downhill, but this might be the year. So it's good to know they're open. They are open, but, um, there's no walk up tickets permitted. Do you have to buy them ahead of time? Cause they're limiting the number of people allowed on the mountain. Yeah. So it's a good morning with a good snowfall and saying, Oh, it's game today. Yeah. And I've heard some places are doing parking reservations as well. As part of their number limits. They built a bunch of yurts at the base so that people aren't going in the lot, you know, cause they don't want all the crowds in the lot. Yeah. Yeah.  So, um, I sent out just before the meeting. I don't know how many of you got a chance to see it. Uh, A memo that's going to be. Red and, uh, tonight's. Council meeting, but, um, great news. I think, which is that we interviewed and now have a. Figures crossed. A new. A new member. Oh, I closed. Yeah. She sounds amazing. So it was a great, so we only had one. We only had one person in the pool currently. Um, but we seem to have this great, great person. So I was just going to see if I could. Finds. One second. I closed it and now I need to open it again. The. Here we go. Um, uh, Shelly Kirkwood, who's a. Um, photographer. She went to Hampshire, I believe. And, um, just moved back relatively recently is eager to get involved in all arts related things and hammers. Um, one of the strong things that she said in her interview is that she's got grant writing experience and likes to work on grant writing and has lots of ideas for making money or potentially making money as well as, um, I was really excited and I, you know, I hope it works out and that she is a. Constructive and engaged member of our commission. So tonight she will be, um, hopefully I. Never. The town council should officially appoint her tonight at which point, then I will reach out to her afterwards and just welcome her on board and see if she wants to have an one-on-one meeting with me so I can kind of give her some background and catch her up. And then, um, I hope she'll hit the ground running. So we still need one more members that'll put us at, uh, six. We can have seven. Um, she's being appointed to a three year term. If you looked at that document, it actually spelled out also, um, current members terms. And I guess what they had done is extended Amy's and Ellen's through this summer. So it says that you're expiring June 30th, 2021. Um, I guess that's, is that an extension or is that what you, when you were supposed to expire? That, that I believe is the current, uh, end date for our terms. Your terms. Um, it's possible to see if we could get an extension or you could be reappointed. So if that's something that you're interested in doing, let me know and I will reach out to Paul and find out more. Um, I totally understand if you're ready to move on, but I will be sad to see you go for sure. Um, but we definitely need to have a big push between that one then to get, keep, keep the ball rolling and, and make sure we have as many slots filled as possible. Yeah. Any questions about that? No. Okay. I guess, um, will you send an email once it's confirmed to everybody, to us, you know, to let us know so we can all. Yeah. At our leisure cheer her on. Yeah. Great. Yep. Um, Add her to our content or our, whatever the contacts in our Google group. Great. Um, I, I don't think there's anything else to report from my point of view as chair. It's been very quiet. I've been focused on other issues as some of you may or may may not be aware of that. Um, So I'm going to talk about those off camera. Um, So public art commission has been, except for the appointment, which to me was a really big step. The other thing is I realized when I read the minutes shame on me, I dropped the ball and getting back in touch with Biana about the press release. So I, I'll try to do that later today. Um, so it was. The minutes worked as a prompt. Um, so I'm looking back at that. So I'm going to do some, um, Um, I'm going to press and sign off on them. Um, Ellen, I say you are friendly and men, men. Just the spelling of the last name of Lilian Sue, who is a, uh, I'm not exactly sure title, but she runs the percent for our program in Cambridge. I made that change. And I also accepted, um, Shoshana's suggestions. So I can pull the minutes up on the screen or otherwise there are no other changes. Which is not optional. The open meeting law requires the minutes to state. Two things that it doesn't one is where. Meeting took place. Which is. I don't know what you would pick when it's on zoom, but. I guess. And the other is. List of documents that. Were. Used during the minute. Meeting. And in your defense, I've never seen those included. I never knew about. I just thought it came to my attention laterally, and I thought I'd bring it up because it's easy to do. So would that just be the minutes because I think that's pretty much the only document we typically would. Use. I guess we do talk about the grant for. For. The poetic dialogue, right? That's in there. Like mentioned, so. So that's, that's if you have a document that's submitted. If it's not a document, if it's just a subject matter. Okay. Okay. Although we should have a copy of, you know, whatever we can in our Google group so that we can refer to it later. If we're. You know, if we're doing like the same project, or we want to know details about that project or whatever. It'll be in our Google group thing in our documents. I think I should send you both because I. Yeah. Yeah. So. Reviewed at the last meeting was much more. Explanatory. And what I ended up submitting was really, really condensed. They had very strict word or character limits.  It was tough. Where is that Google doc? It's in our Google group page. I don't know. Do you not have the password for it? Cause I can. Yeah, maybe send that to me. I'm just. Blanking on it at the moment. So. I'll submit. Both docs. Okay. I think. And this is, I don't know that this is required of the open meeting law. Because open meeting law was passed before Google docs got invented, but it'd be great idea to have the address of the Google docs. Page so that you can look on the minutes and it says that, I don't know where to go to find it. I'm a little spooked about that idea. Cause like, I don't want it to get picked up by like something and then just start getting like tons of junk mail. Rodging us because it's like, it's not a inbox that I check every day. I would point out this also that anything on that, anything that we do is public. So anything in that Google docs folder is public. So there shouldn't be any info there, any personal info. Anything like that should not be there because. You know, any, because if it is, then anybody can get to it. Yeah, that's one of the reasons I was mentioning and putting it in the minutes for a location because it's a public document. The public can't find it. Yeah, that's right. It's kind of like the equivalent of somebody on the committee, like a secretary having a file box that they keep the stuff in. Yeah, except it's something that we can, we can get to. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't feel too strongly about it, but you know, I, I, a lot of times I can't find the documents and some of my other organizations I've got documents. I don't know where they are.  I don't want to get you spammed to death. I don't want to get you spammed to death. I don't want to get you spammed to death. I don't want to get you spammed to death. I don't want to get you spammed to death. Put one character out of put one wrong character in it and then tell us what it is. Substitute Y for X or something. Well, let's hold off on that for a moment. I'm kidding. Why don't we, why don't we, let's not put the Google doc address on there for now, but let's Ellen. Can you just add a. A line that says. Document submitted. You know, just the title of whatever the doc.  I don't want to get you spammed to death. I don't want to group and look that together. You and I, Ellen worked on the grants. The two of us, but. Yeah. We approve the long version. But I'll. Actually, I don't know if I have the short version because it was a web. After luck. I can't remember. I may have just edited it right in the application. I want to revisit that again. I don't want to. I don't want to. The application. The Google docs. Is there any way if somebody decided they wanted to find them, could they. It would have to file a request. Or ask us. And then we could point them to it. Okay. So, I mean, it's not. The public's not bored from accessing it. Well, I mean, is a practical matter. Yeah. I don't know. We can talk about it. The. Let me look into it. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's like, let's say emails, right? I mean, the public can get access to our emails if they file a FOIA request, but we don't publish our email. We don't publish our emails. Well, I mean, technically you're supposed to use a government email, but we don't have one. All right. Let's put this on hold for now. I mean, this is a. Conversation to have with the peck town manager. But. Let's just say, Ellen. Okay. So I guess. Can we. Take those two things as a friendly amendment and just vote to approve the minutes as. Submitted. For this time. Does that include putting the zoom address or the. Or. You can just add held on zoom. Okay. So I. Move that we approve the minutes from our last meeting in November. Okay. Second. Third. If you agree, say I, I. Hi. Hi. Oh. My computer told me I can't be on video. It's not me. Okay. So. I know this is a technicality. Just.  The place. Only if you have, I mean, well, technically the failure to put that in as a. Violation of the open meeting law, but it's not very seriously. As chair as chair. I say you can, we can just do it moving forward. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have. Sorry, I'm trying to multitask. Not doing a good job of it. I will get you that information though. Ellen. The, I emailed Holly last week. About getting our. Like balance. I'm thinking I'm trying to be mindful of the fact that maybe they're like. Not at full schedule at town hall still. So I'm. But I'll do you want me to email that to everybody once I get it, or do you want to just wait until next month? Save it for the next meeting. It's fine. Okay. Thank you. So Ellen, the next thing on our agenda is a poetic dialogue restoration. I mean kind of talk about it, but do you want to give us a quick official reports? Yes. I submitted the. The grant application. I was allowed to have three supporting documents. So I put in three photographs that Shoshana took. I'm showing the poor condition. Yeah, I was bummed that it. I'm not sure. I think the person who was the main walled and, and Tweety had really great statements of support. That I just, I could just take a little tiny snippet of, but yeah, I was really disappointed not to be able to quote them. But. Fingers crossed. I think we hear. I think it's a small enough town that word will get around anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we hear correctly. Maybe we hear mid-March. Oh, yeah. I got pushed out. I applied for the Juneteenth thing and they, in the email that they sent afterwards, it said it was like March, like mid-March. That makes sense though. Cause normally it'll been October. You'd hear by January. So if they moved it to December. Yeah. Okay. I didn't think about the notification also getting moved out when they moved out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ellen, what was the final ask in terms of. I'm out. 2000. So. 100 for Kamal. And then 600 in landscaping upgrades. Materials and. Great. Plantains. Great. And I don't know if the whole group knows, but DPW did commit to. For free helping us do the, you know. Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure if we get money for nice plantings. I assume they would do that work. Actually, that's a, or would we hire somebody the town? Who does when the town like in the traffic circle, that sort of branches off to North pleasant and, you know, what they have some plantings and stuff. Or combination of DPW and maybe the Amherst garden club. But. And the BID has sometimes worked with Andrews greenhouse or some other. Landscapers for some of their. Pots and planters and things in town. So. I'll ask. Some people I know in the. In that circle of knowledge. I think it's. They could point me into the direction of figuring out like who to talk to you about. Like what, how exactly that goes down. And whether or not, you know, we need to contact the. The garden club or volunteer ourselves or what. And, um, Jane wall did say that she, you know, I don't know what to do with that. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea to actually partner with us on landscaping. So. Okay. Something else I can consider too. Great. All right. Anything else on that? Nope. Great. I think we're going to tear through the rest. It'd be a short meeting. But would gallery walk, but would walk gallery proposal. No movement there. I'll. You know, I think it's a good idea to get some, get some, something happening. I mean, one of the things I'm hoping with our new member and some fresh blood that she'll get excited about. Some of this stuff or maybe have a new idea. So, um, you know, we'll see. It'd be nice to have her in on some of these conversations. Percent for arts. You know, nothing there again. I think that's good to leave until the new year. Part of the new year. Okay. For the next few months. We're moving into the end of winter and spring. Um, town hall gallery, Amy. Um, so this month we will wrap up Chris Bordenka's. Um, digital exhibit. I did send out emails to. The town staff. So we had talked about. And I sent out an email again offering to do the same for anybody there that might be interested to do a digital exhibit and Angela also, you know, fed it out. I've only heard back from one person, but I've asked them if they were interested in having their art shared online to let me know by December 29. So I'll send out a reminder again. And see if anybody from the town, our town artists, the town staff artists, take us up on that. If not, we'll do something else I guess. And, and no social media is social media. Sharing what we can. Right. So plans for moving forward or just bringing our new member on board and, you know, thinking about what Amherst and aren't Amherst might look like as COVID knock on wood lifts with the vaccine and you know moving into the summer and fall, you know might be worth thinking about what kinds of celebrations we might contribute to, you know, you know, and we had been planning that performance project around town that we had been involved in, and that was going to happen in I forget like early in COVID, you know, April or May and it fizzled, but I know she wants to bring it back when she can. So there are other ideas that we have one idea that came up with Arts Night Plus, but something that we're not able to handle as such a small group was and this may also tie into some of what Anne was talking about was activating the arch, the boltwood arch that's between crazy noodles and, and you know, trying to have something in there aren't related or performance or something like that. And something has this idea about these like actually installing like permanent like display windows on the wall on one of the walls there the one that's opposite the entrance to Buena Hissano in that tunnel. Yeah, like art cases where you could put art in them was was one idea. So something to add to our ever growing list of ideas. So we can tie in with trying to do something with that space that would the poetry window space. So yeah, so that was well together. What's going on with the poetry window by the way. I said earlier that was a bullet walk gallery proposal it's on it's Paul hasn't done anything. So I have to bug him about it. And my experience with Paul is that the arts have not been a priority for him they've been pretty low on his rate, you know, sort of flying under his radar, and then it does take quite a bit of reminding to have these things move along. So I'll see that one way or another. So I'll keep whoops, I'll keep reminding him and see. I get it. I mean there's a lot of moving parts and embers. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. Wow. So let's talk about I think we're going to, this is going to be our shortest meeting ever. We'll start with the next meeting. Although maybe we should we can tentatively schedule it and then we'll reach out to assuming our new member gets appointed tonight and she's excited to be appointed. We can confirm with her as well. But, let's see. So it'll be sometime in January. 18th ish. Yeah, that works. You care that that's Martin Luther King day. Oh, is it? Yeah. So maybe the 11. Oh, or we don't care.  I'm just pointing it out. Yeah, it's not going to matter for me. I'm not going anywhere. I think that's fine. It's not going to matter for me either, but I don't know if like, since the government offices are closed, we're not supposed to be meeting. Well, we want to look at the 11th and the 25th. I'd rather do the 11th and the 25th, if it was a choice, because this burns night. Why don't we say the 11th? That's only in two weeks though. Oh, is it? It's three weeks. Oh, I guess you're right. It's three weeks. Yeah. I think last week in December never counts though. So, Bill, I'd say, you know, 18th, maybe the first choice, the 11th be the second choice. And we'll see what Shelly may have as well. So I'll do that. I'll pass on the 18th and I'll double check with Angela in terms of whether there's an issue with MLK day. And I will get back to everyone. And also the first of February is, is a Monday, if we're sticking with this Monday thing. Is you're working pretty well. That's a bit of a wait. So my being inclined to rather than wait that long, you can move it to a different day of the week that week at the 18th, possibly rather than do the 11th, but let's see if we can get the 18th. I'm looking around Robin the mail to figure out the time. Okay. Yeah, the 18th would be perfect for me actually. I'm hoping here's hoping. Okay. Wow. Anything else. We're so efficient. Not a pack related but bill I'd be happier to chat with you for a few minutes about the schools. Or on your offer. Yes, but let's not do it on this. Yeah, we could once we get off this if you want to give me a call. Yeah, send me your number. That'd be great. Okay. All right. Jim. Oh, are you just going to move to adjourn? Anybody second. Second. All right. The meeting is adjourned. I will send you my phone number by email right now. Okay. Okay. Happy. Happy holidays. Happy holidays. Bye.