When you squat, you deadlift, you do big movements like that. You train your CNS.  You're to fire really hard, right? And that ability to call upon all those neurons, like all at one time to move weight like that has to play into all the other muscles that you're training. Hey, real quick, look, I'm going to give away a free program. And now maps and a balik for one of you lucky viewers, leave a comment below, subscribe to this channel and turn on your notifications. Do all those things. And if we like your comment, I'll give you free access to maps and a balik one more thing before we get to the rest of the show here. We're running a sale right now. It's called the maps power bundle. Here's what you get. Maps strong and maps power lift combined in the power bundle. It's only $79.99. That's a huge discount from the $300 retail price. So if you're interested, go to mapsmarch.com. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Hey, fellas, you want bigger arms? Stop skipping leg day. Yeah, bro, because working your legs builds your biceps. Yeah, okay. So I actually remember hearing that when I was younger and didn't buy it, right? Yeah, I didn't buy into it. I ignored it. So you have to explain to the audience what's really going on. I think I didn't understand what the central nervous system was responsible of at that time. And so it just never made sense. How could squatting do anything to my arms? Well, it's okay. So when you work out with resistance, right? So you do strength training, there's a localized muscle building effect. So if I work out my bicep, most of the muscle building effect goes to the bicep that I'm working, but there is a systemic muscle building effect. And there's studies that actually show this quite effectively, right? So there'll be studies where people will have one arm be incapacitated and they'll have a control group. So one arm incapacitated, they do nothing. Then they'll have another group, one arm, excuse me, one arm incapacitated, train the arm that's not incapacitated. And what they find is that when the people train the able arm, the arm that's incapacitated loses less muscle. OK, so it actually prevents muscle loss from the arm that's not moving because of the systemic effect. So when you work out, and this is more true for bigger muscles, the bigger the muscle, the more the systemic muscle building effect. This is why people have observed for a long time.  Or when I deadlift, my calves grow a little bit or my chest grows a little bit, right? And it's not just a stabilizing effect, right? This is like a signal that that the body is producing to build into, you know, it needs muscle to basically amount to these forces. Yes, is it the systemic effect that's causing it the most? Or is it the adaptation process that's happening with the CNS? Or are they one in themselves? All the same. So it's all the same. When I say systemic, I mean, what's happening to the whole body? Yeah, I feel like the explaining that you're training your CNS is a simpler way because that's what's really what's really going on is your teacher. But when you squat, you deadlift, you do big movements like that. You train your CNS.  Yeah, you're to fire really hard, right? And that ability to call upon all those neurons, like all at one time to move weight like that has to play into all the other muscles that you're well, think about also this way, right? Strength is a survival adaptation. So, you know, for most of human history, most, right, 99 percent, your body got stronger because it thought it needed to get stronger. There was a stress that was being placed upon it. So it's like, OK, in order to survive in this environment, obviously, we need to get stronger. Otherwise, this damage is going to continue to occur.  It would be counter beneficial to get stronger in one part of your body and to not support it at least a little bit with the rest of your body. It made no sense, right? So because in nature, when you're moving a boulder or carrying a dead animal or doing something right, you're it's not one muscle in isolation. Even if it is one muscle in isolation, other muscles have to be at least a bit stronger to stabilize and support, right? So it makes no sense that that would happen. So when you just train your upper body, yeah, most you'll gain lots of muscle in your upper body, but you're not going to reach your full potential with your upper body if your legs aren't also getting stronger as well. So you're missing like five or 10 percent of what you could be getting by skipping muscle groups. So this also answers the question then for women in terms of like training the upper body to grow their legs, because I know that there's quite a few clients I've had that were just want to kind of, you know, skip or go light on arms and upper body and just go all heavy on legs. It's true. Now, of course, one of the beauties of strength training is you have the ability to sculpt your body in very specific ways, which is unique to strength training, right? I can I can look at my body and say, I want more shoulders, more triceps, more quads, less glutes, whatever. And I could focus more or less on different parts of my body. I can't do that with cardio, right?  Yeah, no other pieces, no other forms of exercise really do this really well like strength training. However, completely neglecting certain muscle groups means you're also going to take away from the potential of your muscle groups that you really want to build.  But most people that skip leg day aren't doing that, right? Most people that skip leg day, it's not because their legs are too muscular. Like how many guys, you know, skip leg day, go, my legs are so buff. Yeah, that's why I'm not squatting. That's not what it is because they're lazy, working out your legs is hard and they want the beach muscles. Not realizing that skipping legs is also taking away from their ability to build those beach muscles. Did you guys watch the Adam Project? Oh, yeah, great movie. You just remind me. Did you remember the scene where his younger self makes the comment about it? Do I skip legs in the future?  Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I thought I was it was one of the. They casted it to really well, too. The kid acted like he did. Such a great job. I've never seen that kid in anything else before. So this is a pure Netflix movie, right? I believe so. Wow, they're doing a good job. This was a good one. I really thought, you know, I had that kind of free guy feel to it.  I do. Spaceship and the futuristic science in there. But I think it was geared more to be heavy on the, you know, being fun and funny and emotional. There was some like tugging moments. Yeah, I think they did a really good job. Jessica and I had a discussion about this because we're always arguing over sci-fi that you like sci-fi. I hate sci-fi and I'm trying to explain to her like, there's really good sci-fi that's out there, right? So well, she thought this was so she's like, fine, I'll watch this because it's sci-fi, but I'll watch it. So we watch it. She's like, that was really good. And I said, honey, I said, it was a good story. I said, but the sci-fi part of it sucked. Like real good sci-fi. It was a nod. It was believable. It was a nod to a lot of other franchises out there. And you can see like with the like lightsaber references and all these type of like the tech that kind of threw in there. But I mean, the wormhole pulse or whatever, like, you know, that was kind of new, I guess, in terms of like an original idea. But yeah, it was really the story that was great. Yeah, I hate it when sci-fi movies make the future look like like all of a sudden we're not humans anymore. Like I'm going to control the spaceship by doing all this stuff over. Yeah. Why would we just do it right in front of you? Why would we have anything like this so inefficient?  That's like a minority report that's seen in my report where they're doing the stuff. Oh, like who's going to do the gesturing was going to be the thing. You know, like I kept waiting for this to be everywhere. Like, well, you know what? So, OK, so Sal's new car has that, right? Where it's like you can turn the volume up.  Him and I were in the car together.  That's the problem.  Yeah, him and I were talking back and forth music on off on off the whole time because we both are moving our hands. I think it's just a flex. Like you have your friend in the car. Like, you know, you don't say anything.  Well, that's cool. That's about it. I don't know. I do think it would be cool though. Like I've seen videos of some military stuff out there where they have these little mini tanks that they control with just these hand gestures and they get it to like move and then like turn and then fire and it's pretty cool.  So I always wonder if it's weird, we are stupid and getting old and the young generation is is better at it or it's one of these things that we're testing out. I think that's what it is. You think so. At some point it's going to get so good that it'll read like like software that reads your your language. Remember when it first came out? How crappy it was now it's pretty good. Now you can talk to it. Did you watch, speaking of sci-fi, did you watch Raised by Wolves? No, I haven't got into that yet. Dude, I'm pumped to get into that though. Dude, it's pretty. I looked at the trailer. Wild. It's pretty wild. Now, as I'm watching it, like the story's twisting and so now it's getting becoming a good story. But the sci-fi aspect of it was sick. Is it a series or is it a movie? It's a series. I don't know if you'll like it because it's a little twisted and dark and you might be a little too scary. It's into religion or anything. Well, I'm serious. I don't like scary stuff. No, and definitely not Katrina. Like there's certain stuff we've talked about that I like to watch, but she does not like to.  She's very serious about that. Okay. So upload. You guys remember that show? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Part two is out. Part two is out. I pretty much binged the whole thing already. Like I couldn't help it was pretty good. I just love the original concept behind it because not only can you upload, right? But now they're exploring the whole idea of being able to download back into like a body that they make. And two, like how, you know, they're able to kind of come in, corporates able to come in and start extracting their dreams and things and basically taking that as like a protected content. Like so they have exclusive rights to that content, which now that they can sell to people for entertainment and it's like these souls that are in there like doing all this stuff. What a terrible idea. I was like, oh my God.  Like what a terrible, I don't want to know half my dreams. You ever wake up after a dream? Yeah, but there's a lot. Okay, I remember when that show first came out. That's so trippy though. And we've talked about this on the show before that I do think that that's what's going to happen where you're going to be able to upload. I mean, I've talked about how much content we've put out written and verbal and video. So it would not be hard when we passed to store an AI version of ourselves. And that's kind of where they go with it is like you have this kind of AI version of yourself that digital consciousness. Yes, have sort of acts on its own. Now, have you heard because these are these are like not age old but they're really old thought experiments around this. So sci-fi writers for a long time have pondered that maybe we'll be able to do this one day, right? And there's these like thought experiments. Like one of them is if we could take your thought process, your brains, your memory, extract it, put it in a computer, is that you or is it just a perfect copy of you? Like how do we know, right? How would we ever know if you did that? If we made an Android that exactly knew what you knew, your memories could talk like you, is that really Adam or is it just a copy? Like what actually happened to Adam? Like we would never know. Yeah, I'm gone but like parts of me is living on, right? The way I think, the way I talk, that's living. I really think it's cool for like, I don't think it would be cool for me. I'm dead. Like I'm gone. Like I think it's for the people that live that would be cool. And I've expressed that like, man for me who lost his dad at seven, there's not a lot of footage, video. I don't have a lot of stuff with him. If it was this time and this era, right, he was growing up in and he, let's say did my job or he has all this content. Like for me, that would be so cool to be able to sit down and like take in all that or maybe even interact with him and the AI is good enough to respond the way Superman. That's what Superman did, remember? When he built his fortress of solitude or whatever and he plugged in the crystals and his dad comes out. His dad would actually interact with him. Yeah, that's hella weird. So AI, like thank you for reminding me, Adam. There's an update in terms of robots helping you in the house, the kitchen and you know, I felt so bad. Samsung's not working on it. Let's see, I'm just saying, go down this rabbit hole again. The thing that you guys always see is this little thing in the kitchen grabbing and moving things. That is where they're going to be stuck. You can just double down, bro. The washing of dishes. Yes, knowing if it's clean or dirty. I mean, yes, you could get a robot right now. We already have that like in Amazon boxing where they move things up or down or pick things up like that's not hard. But what if they load the dishwasher though?  So that'll be the extent of it. So then you'll have to have a dishwasher powerful enough in your house that will blast food that's stuck on it. That's where they're hung up.  I'm like, no, I haven't, bro. Talk to me when one of those things. They're all simulations. None of it's like real life robots they've built yet. No, I know. Yeah, no, it's all. They're all simulations funny. I was like, okay, so Samsung's now working on it. I'm like, there's going to be more of these ponies in the race. Speaking of AI, so in that show, Raised by Wolves or whatever, it's HBO Max, they do such an interesting job of this dystopian future where Earth went to war with these religious factions. And one of the groups has these, they call them necromancers, I think, these AI robots that destroy humans. And one of them got captured and rewired to take human embryos and raise them on another planet. So that's kind of like the gist of the story.  And as you watch it, you're totally, you can't decide if the AI machines are good or bad or if the humans are good or bad.  It is super twisted.  Are you, have you been watching a lot of TV or what? Dude, can I just tell you something right now? This is, and look, this is my own personal experience, this cold, and I got, I tested myself four times for COVID. Don't have COVID. I had COVID before. This is worse than COVID. When I had COVID, it was weak. The uncommon cold is coming back. This is the worst, dude.  It's not the flu. It's not COVID. So it's just a really bad like head cold and chest. Yeah. I went right to my chest and obviously it's affecting my voice and makes me tired and weird. So what's sexy? What is the, what's the stack? Because people will DM me what you're taking, which drives me crazy. When people are, do you guys get that? I get that. I get DMs about you guys.  Ask me. Especially now it sells on Instagram. I'm like, I'm not your middle man. So tell the audience your stack before I get DMs. Can you sell this for me, please? Tomorrow. No. So I do, I do liposomal glutathione. I do NAC. So that's all good for the lungs. I felt it in my lungs. And then I'm doing the Organifi green juice and red juice mixed. So the red juice can... Not their immunity? Oh, and I did their immunity. Thank you. I don't mix those all three though. So I do the immunity once a day. Yeah. And then I do the red and green juice several times a day. So the green juice, it's got the ashwagandha, which is good for stress. It just may... I noticed when I drink them two, those two, I feel better. So is the red juice mainly for because of the fatigue that you're experiencing right now? Yeah. So the red juice got a little bit of rhodiola for that. Also helps the body deal with stress, all the antioxidants and stuff like that. But I just noticed when I mix those two and drink them throughout the day, I feel better. I just feel like, you know, subjectively I just feel a lot better. Are you doing zinc? Are you doing any... Zinc and... God, I can't... I can't... Quercetin. So I do zinc and quercetin as well. But I swear to God, dude, this is worse. When I had COVID, when I had COVID, it wasn't this bad. This is terrible. I was telling Jess, I'm like, what the hell?  I remember we were in here, it was what, Thursday or Friday? I got it from Justin. And I... He's got to blame somebody. Justin. I got it from Adam. So I'll get out of here. I wasn't even... Adam got it from Doug. My son's really bad right now. Oh yeah, so what's going on? Yeah, he's battling fevers right now. He... This is one of the worst times actually. It was weird because last week, when you guys were all feeling it, he was also feeling under the weather and this was like Wednesday.  It's crazy, but... It's like a storm just ahead. It's like even knowing that it was coming, it's way more than I anticipated.  Yeah, literally from October to now, I think there's been more days that he's been battling something than not. And sometimes it's like just a runny nose and he's fine and he's playing. Like, you know, it hasn't been like fevers and crazy like this every time, but man, it does feel like he comes home almost every week with a little something that he... And I know that they're building their immune system right now. It's like battlegrounds, you know? They get stronger after this phase. Now, what do you guys do when he's like... Well, fever, obviously, you try to cool him down. Yeah, when he's got a fever, we toggle back and forth between Motrin and Tylenol. That's like... Katrina is really... She does not want to give that to him, which is, I think, interesting because normally I'm the one who's like, no, don't give him that or I'm the more picky one with his food, but she's been that way with drugs, which I love, like she's not quick to... She'd rather try and find a natural remedy or try and see... Plus the fever's got some benefit. You know, it helps the body fight the infection and it builds up the immune system better.  I bet he's not sleeping well at all. Oh, no, the last two nights we haven't slept at all.   Did you get a lot of fevers? You know what? I have to ask my mom. I don't remember. I do know I have a very weak immune system though, so I used to get sick all the time. I've felt better now where I'm at than I did all through my 20s and teens.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to get high fevers when I was a kid. Really?  Like, or even more. And then the last time I had a fever as an adult was, or a high fever was in Thailand when I got the food poisoning or whatever.  That was weird. I had 104, which as an adult is hella high. I was looking at the walls and the walls were kind of- I heard that happens, right? It gets too high, so hallucinating. Bro, the walls started moving and I started seeing spiders and shit everywhere. That's when I told Jessica we're in Thailand. I said, I don't care. You got to get a doctor come to the room. Please find somebody. You know, it's interesting to think what they used to do before we had all these tools, like thermometers and stuff to check. Like, I mean, it's- It's crud-letting. Cut his leg.   Just like, oh my God, he's jumped.  When I was- So my great grandparents, you talk- Like, my grandfather would tell me this. He goes, oh yeah, your great grandmother had 10 kids. I'm like, what do you mean she had 10? I was like, well, you know, four. There's six other ones that died.  Wow. Kids used to die. I mean, this is Sicily. So my grandfather's generation, that was hard. The generation before him in Sicily was really hard and people would have a lot of kids and, you know, kid gets an ear infection. 50-50, is he going to make it? I don't know. Let's see what happens. Really, was that bad? Think about a bacterial infection without antibiotics. You know what I mean?   So, yeah. No, what? I mean, I know we talk about how weak we are nowadays, but I don't know. We saved all the weak kids. That's why. They killed all the weak ones. Yeah, it ain't like Sparta anymore. Yeah, I know. I was having this conversation with someone about testosterone levels dropping in men and I read this study that the average man in the 1930s had testosterone levels of like 1200. It was something ridiculous like that. I think I told you guys, and we were, I was having this discussion with someone. I said, I wonder if that's because all the low testosterone dudes just died, you know? Like that's what was left over. Oh, yeah. Oh, low testosterone Johnny. Yeah, he died because we don't have medicine to treat his burn wound or whatever. Well, I don't know what genetics caused this, but I was out eating at this burger restaurant with my kids.  And we went to like the boardwalk, all this. We had a good time. We went to this restaurant and like, there was these kids that came in from like UCSC and they were sitting next to us and, you know, talking and we're just kind of doing our thing and listening. And this guy starts laughing. And I'm like, I've never heard this kind of a laugh before. I thought maybe he was like delayed or like slow. Or, you know, so I didn't like, I've tried really hard not to laugh. You know, in that situation where you're just like, I don't know if I'm allowed to laugh at this, but it's really funny. Every day. Yeah. And like we're, and I was trying to control because the boys were almost dying laughing like immediately. So this guy would start laughing and then he sounded like a seal.  He'd be like, and I was like, oh my God. See, like it was like so out of left field.  And so we're just like barely making our way out of the restaurant.  It was like the best. Once you know, it was like, it was just part of his personality. It wasn't like, you know, some kind of condition.  Just as like, oh wait a minute. I just did that. I literally did that and that's my laugh. Why am I laughing this way?  Yeah. Anyway, yeah. So Adam, you said you had discovered some information about one of our sponsors. Something really cool. I guess about the name. I was looking up Caldera to see, because I knew we had a commercial today. So I was looking up to see if there was like any new news about the company because I mean, obviously we've talked about. I love when Adam learns something cool. Well, no, so it's supposed to be like a volcano. Is that, did you guys know that? Yeah. What do you mean, yeah? Yeah, bro. You didn't know that? Caldera, yeah. You didn't know that? Yes, we did. It's like one of the most fertile soils you could find. Yeah, it's like a crater. You knew that? I had no idea. It's sunken in. It's like an old volcano. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's probably why they named it that because it's like Justin said, super fertile, like lots of nutrients you could hope for. Yeah, some of the most fertile soil on earth. You guys both knew that? Yeah, I brought it so long. When they were thinking of where Eden might be, right? Like they were speculating. We're going to start listening to you more often. Oh, Caldera. Yeah, I know, you really should. Justin talks, Adam and I just look at each other, whisper. Oh, here he goes again. So it's a large depression form when a volcano erupts and collapses. Yeah. So, okay, so now do you know why Caldera named their brand that? Probably that, because it's one of the most fertile, because volcanic soil is some of the most fertile in the world. It's super full of nutrients. I was just listening to a podcast where they're talking about like the importance of soil and how we're not receiving the same soil from growing all of our fruits, vegetables, and crops and everything else. We're not getting all those same nutrients, because we don't have the same soil. Yeah, Doug, what does it say there on their website? I'm trying to find the origin of their name. Oh, here, you know, real quick, scroll down. Tell me the ingredients in their serum again. Apricot, kernel oil, fireweed, dandelion, astrag legus, or astragulus? Astragulus root, elderflower, oh boy, spillanthes. I'm not sure what that is. There you go. But I do not know exactly why they named the company that. Yeah, it makes sense because that's their whole model, right, is to make something that's super natural, super full of nutrients, good for you, whatever. Now, is Jackson Hole, is that a caldera? Ooh, I don't know. That might be why. What's that one? I can't remember it now. What does Jackson Hole have to do with that? It might be a caldera. It's a hole. No, I know, but why you bring up Jackson Hole right now? Well, I mean, so I don't know. I have to do some research, but Jackson Hole suggests maybe it was a caldera. So you just randomly thought in your head, Jackson Hole? Yeah, that's why. No, it says Jackson Hole right here. That's why I was just asking. Oh, okay, I... All right, well, I thought... It's not the only caldera, right? I mean, so you just brought up Jackson Hole out of nowhere, so I'm asking why. I guess you can't see that because it's on the screen right now. What's that place I went up to to visit with Jessica early on? It's a... Is it Crater Lake? Is that it? Crater Lake in Oregon? Is that it? Isn't that a caldera? Do you know that's one of the deepest... I actually thought Tahoe was deeper and I looked it up and Crater Lake is even deeper. I think Lake Tahoe was an old caldera too. Oh, yeah? I think so. Maybe we can look that up, Doug, if I'm not mistaken. Let's find all of them, you guys. Let's find all the caldera. Did you guys know that... Yellowstone is a super volcano? Yes. There's a list of most probable ways that humanity can become extinct. And a volcano is one of those? And one of the top five is Yellowstone.  What are the other four? I think about that every day, you guys. That's what we need to focus on. Okay. I think the other four are Nuclear War, asteroid hitting Earth. I don't remember what some of the other ones were, a plague of some sort. But yeah, I know that's scary, buddy. Especially since one happened and the other one, everybody's threatening. Yeah. No, but the super volcano, that Yellowstone could literally, and it will, at some point, explode. It's active. And when it does, we're dead. Yeah, we're all dead. Hey, how's Twitter life been treated? Oh, dude. You're quite the tweeter. I've been twadding on there like crazy. Is that what you say? Such a twit. I go off on there, dude. That's such a bad place. It's way more negative than I thought it was. Oh, it is for sure. Oh, it's so negative, dude. But it's so you, though. I mean, I felt like you've belonged on there for so long. Like, you weren't really an Instagram guy. You weren't made for Instagram.  Why are you trying to say I'm not good on pictures? Is there any positive, like, threads? Or is it all just, like, complaining? No, there's a lot of smart people on there, and you can read some really interesting stuff.  I mean, it's all social media, right? It's all the same garbage. Yeah. But on Twitter, I'm like, wait. And I think it's because I got kicked off Instagram. So I'm kind of like angry right now. So I'm like, all right, you know. Bring it on. Yeah, I'm going to be even worse. Okay, so since you're now doing this, I haven't actually ever really got into Twitter. I tried to do it for a little bit and then fell off. Too many words. Do you feel, yeah, too many words. It's too meaningless, like it's too hard. This is too difficult. So do you find the same addictive patterns with Twitter as you do Instagram? Like Instagram, it's really easy. And sometimes I think it's because it's visual.  Do you find that with Twitter or do you find it's? Twitter's got a better news, really good news feed. I know. But so as far as your own addiction to social media, is it more difficult, the same or easier than Instagram? That's a really good question. I think it would be different depending on the person.  If you're an arguer.    You know what I mean? I could just post my words, which I have plenty of words to go around. So I post more. I don't think I spend, I know I don't spend a lot of time on it though, reading other people. But it is, it's just, it's like all social media.  It's like as I switch different, you know, social media platforms, you just realize how much society is, social media was supposed to mirror society, but what's happened is social media created a different looking society. Now society is starting to mirror social media. Because it's literally, it's advertising yourself. So if you look at like an advert, like a company, you look at a company like, I don't know, Coca-Cola, okay?   They're going to tell you how great they are, because that's your job when you advertise.  Which is what people do with their social media. They do, and not just that, but then it's like bleeding over, it's bled over into real life. So now people walk around, and rather than being good people, they want you to know that they're good people. That's more important.  You don't really care. So it's kind of annoying. I got an argument with someone over that on Twitter, because it's like, there was an old saying in marketing to make, that made fun of corporations. Now I think it's more true than ever, and it was like a corporation will donate $10,000, but we'll spend a million. They'll spend $100,000 to show everybody that they donated $10,000, right? Because that's what's important. Social media's like that so much. It's like, I care so much about all this stuff. Do you really? Well, the power of the individual brand right now is like it's such an interesting time. I was listening to an interview that Tai Lopez did with our buddy Tom talking about the Kardashians, and like her ability to sell like her makeup line that she did. Like you have companies like Maybelline, and some of those other like brands that have been around for like 100 years, right? And she did like $400 million in lip gloss, dude. I get those companies have been around 100 years. And they didn't do that. They can't even do that. This girl simply starts up a makeup line and then instantly surpasses all of them. It's just the power of the individual brand now is crazy. It's like anything with power, right? It's just two sides. Like you could do really good with it, or you could take it and do really bad. Yeah, and it's just so annoying to me with the, like again, the fakeness.  And I don't know why. It's like just gets to me so much. So I see that kind of stuff and it's like, you know, and the truth is this, if you really want to, and this is just a fact, if you really want to help society and the world and the environment and just be the best version of yourself, there's really nothing, nothing more effective than that. Like raise good kids, be a good person, be productive, like get a job or start a job, be innovative. Oh, you want to be good, another good person, buy products that are good for you literally, because that means you're going to give more market signals to good product. Like if you just did that, you would do a lot. But a lot of people don't do any of that. Instead, they complain and they're envious and they point things out and then they have a sticker or they post something in their bio. It's all words and ideas instead of like actions and merit. Like, you know, character. Like we used to judge people in character and that's like something that's like a lost idea these days. It's really weird. Now, do you have hope though that it's just because we're in this time where we're transitioning from like, you know, two decades ago, none of this stuff existed. Now we're like learning to integrate it into our, it's definitely not going away. It's definitely becoming a part of our lives, our kids' lives. It'll be here to stay. And so do you think that part of why it is this way though is that this is just kind of the natural progression or evolution of it? I think it's a transition. Yeah, like I want to believe that like... Because I think a lot of corporations are learning this. Like corporations will come out and they're trying to play the game. Like, oh, we got to show how good we are. So then what they do is they come out and they oppose some, I don't know, some bill in some state or they'll oppose some politician or some policy. And then people on the other side will point out the hypocrisy and go, oh, that's weird that you oppose this, but you're still building products by children or you're still working with this country that is, you know, throwing people in camps and re-educating them. So these corporations, I think, are going to learn. I think they're going to learn that they used to keep their mouths shut. Then they came out and said, oh, we got to tell everybody how virtuous we are, but now they're going to learn. We're better off keeping our mouths shut. Yeah. Because we're not perfect and it's going to make us... We're going to end up shining a spotlight on our hypocrisy. So I agree with you. I think it's... Well, I don't know if that's what you were saying, but that's what I think. I think it's going to wash out a lot of that stuff. And I think there's going to be a lot of people too that promote themselves one way on social media and then you find out later they're nothing like that. And that's going to... I think enough times you're going to see people get the rug pulled out from underneath them or they lose everything they built because they weren't being authentic or themselves. So I think when we see that enough times, I think we will... I think we will, as a society, learn our lesson and start to shape, I think. Yeah. And it's a mirror for me too. I have a big mouth. My weakness is I'll get mad and I'll start going off.  Like I said something really mean the other day on Twitter. This guy is lecturing me on greed. First of all, he doesn't know me, but try to tell me how greedy I am because I think that businesses should be able to take their money and invest it and build and innovate. You're so greedy. And the guy... Look, and by the way, I've made my entire career helping people with improve their health. Okay, and I myself have had body image issues. So that's been my whole career. But nonetheless, I see this guy and he's like 400 pounds. And I said, the irony is you're lecturing me on greed. I said, I think you eat way more than you need to. Isn't that a display of your own greed, right? And that was a mean thing to say for sure, but it's also a true thing to say. And I feel bad for it because I shouldn't say something like that. I help people through that process, but it makes me annoyed as hell. It's a different perspective though that I think people sometimes need to kind of check themselves a bit. It totally. Especially when they're out to judge everybody else. Yeah, you'd lecture me. You don't know me. And you're also greedy yourself. I think the point you're making though too that I actually think this is a positive side of social media. I actually talked about this in an interview I did recently that because of the podcast and that we had to put all this stuff out there, it really forces me to challenge my own beliefs. Because it's like before all this, I say something, I make a stance or I have an argument with a friend and that conversation is long gone. I don't revisit it maybe for months or years, have another conversation like that. We're here, everything we say and do.  Right. It's been posted and then I listen back and go, oh, wow, do I really believe that? Or, you know, or that I can. Disproduce the desired outcome of what I was trying to promote. Or I can have a little bit of like, I'm sure you had the same perspective, right?  You know, I'm sick, I'm at home, I'm irritable. 100%. And you catch like, I probably wouldn't have said that or did that if I was feeling better. So the level of.  Well, that's hard to beat sometimes.  But it can be wielded for a good thing. I think if we, and so maybe we see more of that in the future of more people actually using it as a tool for personal development and self-awareness. I think that's going to happen when everybody realizes that they're, that what they're creating is also going to come back to them. Now you're making every, you're self a target, just as much, like you see all these people on social media who pull up old tweets from celebrities and then hammer them for it. And then what do other people do? They go through these people's old tweets and pull back and say, oh, actually, you did the same thing or you said it's worse. Yeah. Like when it's all out there, what was that scene? What's that movie with the superhero family? Incredibles. Incredibles. Do you remember the bad guy in the first one? And he said, when everybody has superpowers, when everybody's super, nobody's super. Nobody's super. Yeah. So it's like when everybody realizes we're all super imperfect and the evidence is there for anybody to find, that's maybe when we'll stop. And we'll start leaving each other alone. Yeah. I'd be like, well, I guess, you know. I don't want to go down. Yeah.   Because we're all, you know, we're all like that. Anyway, I was having a, you know, he was on a positive note. I was having a conversation with my cousin who just, he just became a dad, right? Great dude. I love, love, great guy.  Now he's like, dude, I get what you mean.  And he goes, what do you mean? I said, when you have a child, you're going to realize how brave you're going, how brave you have to choose to be. He's like, what do you mean? I said, well, you'll see, right? And so sure enough, he has a kid and he goes, I get it now.  I thought there were things that I had to be brave for, but it was nothing.  He goes, I could be a shitty dad.  They could get sick. They could get hurt. They could, something could happen. And he goes, and now I'm really scared. And I goes, I get what you mean now about having to be brave. I said, I told you, man, it's the craziest. Nothing will force you to become a man like having a kid or you could run away and choose not to, but he's a good man. So Katrina and I played that table topics game that I think Justin brought up a long time ago. And I'm going to ask you a question that I got in trouble for. So I want to see how you guys navigate through this. So the card, if you haven't seen it. You got in trouble? Well, I mean, yeah, I didn't answer very well. So the card was, so she's reading it to me. So basically this is a question back that you guys would give back to your wives, which is if you had one dying wish to tell me before you die, what would you say? What would be your dying wish to your wife? What would you guys say? So I'm on my deathbed. Yeah, you're on your deathbed and this is, these are going to be some of the last things you speak. You're not going to be able to speak anything after this. And so what would you say as a dying wish that you wanted to want? Erase my browser history. That's a good one. No, well, that's a tough one, man. What would I say? I don't know. I mean, I gotta think about that for a second. I think I would say, please try to be strong for the kids. Please try to raise them the best that you can and be strong for them. That's it. Yeah, turn me into a robot. Stupid, you would say that. What would you tell your wife? What's the last thing you say? Yeah, I mean, I don't, that's a heavy question. It'd be like, yeah, just to live your best life going forward and, you know, hold on to memories. But again, you have to live your own life now at this point. Stay celibate, don't remarry. Exactly. It's like, well, I will haunt you. I will haunt you. I'll be watching. What did you say? At least coach him. How did you possibly get in trouble? Try this, she likes this. Because I said our finances.  Don't spend money. Boy, yeah. So that's how she, well, I didn't say that. Oh my God, bro.  I'm nothing like, she gets all defensive with me.  And I'd still say the same thing. It's not that. That's because that's your fear. Yeah. And I said, this is me, right? So I feel like that me going, if I know that I'm not going to be able to speak or I'm going to die and I have one last wish, it would be to take what we worked for and what we built together up until this point and make it last. And I mean, in my point of opinion, it's the same thing you're saying. I'm just saying it through a financial, like the financial side. That means. You know, it's funny, it's true that your fear came out because that's your thing, right? Sure, 100%. And that's why I was like, it's not about you because she took it all personal.  I'm like, that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I mean by that.  I mean, like, I would even, I would even say, listen, take this much money, go hire someone to like manage it for us so that you don't have to do that because I do a lot of that for us. So she doesn't have to. So I'm like, so I would want you to go do that. So you can just focus on. Now did she answer the question? If she died, what would she say to you? I answered it for her.  I'm like, listen, I mean, I know what you would say.  And she goes, okay, yeah, you're kind of right. Yeah. I said, so that's how you think. And I said, this is how I think. I think like, please God, don't let everything that we've built go away. So my wife and my kid will be okay. I would, if I was dying, I'd look at you guys and be like, put maps out of the box, 75% off. Watch 2.0. One last sale. That's a hard question. You know what? It's such a good, this is literally though, if you have not ever, it's very cheap to buy this little game. It's like a little thing that has, I don't know, thousands. It's called tabletop? It's called tabletopics. Just grab a card at dinner and you guys kind of decide. We do it sitting. It's not usually this heavy of a question. Oh yeah, some of them are funny. So Katrina and I, I shared this a long time ago. You guys probably don't remember. It was like four, four or five years ago when I was sharing like relationship hacks. Yeah, like listening to a book together. Yes, like that. So yeah. So this was another thing that we used to do together and it's, we wait till Max is down and we normally do it sitting up candlelight in the bedroom and we're hanging out and we'll pull a card. And it just, it starts great conversations. You know, it starts these conversations and it's normally something like that. And you know, even though we've been together for 13 years, you learn something kind of new like how their brain turns. Everybody has a different perspective. Yeah. And it's, I love listening to the kids answers because you just, you kind of see where they're at developmentally in terms of how they think about things like black and white or oh, there's some gray here that we need to discuss.  Yeah, it's always about, it's never have anything to do with money. It's always spent more time. I wish I would have spent more time with my family, done more of this. Like it's always that. Isn't that wild? Yeah, I know. I mean, it's not though. I mean, it's very, it's, to me, it's what keeps me trying to live as balanced of a life as I can with my finances, right? Because, and I'm lucky because I think I have, I have a couple friends that I believe on the ends of the spectrum, crazy ends of both spectrums. Like I have a buddy who like literally is, you know, counting every cent that goes in and out of his account and won't do anything that is wasteful and is saving for whatever is coming, I guess. And then I have my other buddy who's like, the check is spent before it hits his account. And, you know, there's something to take from both of them.  And he's, and he's enjoying all those things. Now heaven forbid something were to happen because he doesn't have anything saved up. And then my other buddy is like, you know, hey, we're in our forties now.  Yeah, what's, we can't take it when we go. You know, one of my favorite things about training people in advanced age was because you, I mean, you think to yourself like, now at 43, I'm way more wise than I was at 33. And at 33, I was way more wise than I was at 23. But had you asked me at 2333, and now I would say, oh yeah, I know what I need to know. So when I have these older clients in their 70s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, I started to respect the fact that they were older. Like, well, this person's got a lot of experience. So I love to ask them questions. And they would say things that sound silly, but are so wise. Like, you know, one lady, she'd been married a long time with her husband. And I said, what's the secret to, she was like, don't sweat the small stuff. I said, what do you mean by that?  And then it becomes a lot easier. And I've seen this with my own parents. Like my parents, now they've been married a long time. And the stuff that they joke and tease each other about, and it might bicker a little bit, used to be big old fights when I was a kid between them. But now it's like, it's not a big deal. So that's like a big one. Another one was, and the studies actually support this, is spend money on, if you're gonna spend your money, spend it to give yourself more time or spend it on experiences. I had a client used to tell me that all the time, like Sal, buying things is fine so long as those, whatever you buy gives you more time or gives you better experiences. Otherwise, it's a waste of money. And I get, I think I understand a little bit, you know, what that's like. Instead of buying something expensive, maybe you spend money on a more expensive dinner because of the experience you have with your spouse or rather than spending money on cool gadgets, you spend money to have someone to help you so that you have now an extra two hours where you could be with your family, that kind of stuff. Makes sense, totally makes sense. But you still want to buy the stuff, right? Stuff is always there. No, I think there's a way to have balance. I think what you said with this, it has to give me, like for me to make a decision on a purchase now, it has to give me joy, right? I have to, like, I really enjoy it. And the way I check myself is the desire to show and tell other people versus I just want to enjoy it for myself. Ooh, that's a good one, dude. Yeah, it's the way I, it's like, do you care about other people knowing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something else you told me a long time ago, I thought that was brilliant. Maybe this was you, where you put stuff on Amazon and you save it. Oh, yeah, yeah. You wait like a week before you buy it. Don't tell myself I can't have it. Like, sometimes I'll, I just, I just did this. Bro, I started doing it really quick. Well, I take from you the places you spend the most time, right?  Not just like, you know, one time I had this experience, which I do do that and I find value in that type of fun, but, you know, in terms of like figuring out where I spend the majority of my time, like, why not enhance that and make it better? Why not? No. And I still, so I did it like literally two nights ago.  I go on the shopping cart, like, I'm gonna buy it and I don't say I'm not gonna buy it. Just go like, okay, it's all set to go. Like, I'll get it. And what I normally do is because we get paid twice a month, right? So I go like, oh, when my, my check comes in, you know, it's normally between, right, a pay period, right? Or something. It's like, oh, I get paid in six days. When my check comes in or when we get paid, I'll go get it. And by that time, a lot of times my emotions or feelings around that thing. So true. So true. Because normally what ends up happening is, and just like what I was doing was looking for, you know, body kits. I was gonna do a bunch of stuff to Katrina's car, right? I was gonna put all this body kit.   And the only reason why I was doing that was because I was in the middle of a conversation with everybody about cars and tricking them out and this and that. So you got all excited. Yeah, so I got all excited. And, you know, I, and so I started doing it and I put it all in there. And then I know, I already know. Like I know in three days, when I go back to revisit it, I'll be like, I don't really need that. It's not going to really make anything happen. I wonder how much impulsive buys have gone through the roof because of online shopping. How fast and easy.  It is for me.  Well, they talk about, I mean, wasn't that one of the things that would made Amazon so the one click, right? The one click to be able to purchase like, oh yeah, no, that's, because imagine that. I mean, that's another thing too, right? Luckily, when I'm shopping on a lot of these websites that I have to input all this information because if it was as easy as like, yeah, you want to hear a click and it'll be at your house. Have you guys seen that you can go to other companies, try to buy something and it gives you the one click option to pay through Amazon? Have you seen that? Oh no, I didn't. Yeah, so you'll go buy something on it. I've done this a couple of times where I'll go buy something, but the whole process of entering my name and everything, half the time I'll add or they want it. But now they'll give you an option say one click through your Amazon account.  Yes, because they know. They see how powerful it is. I know, right? I do notice now, and we've brought this up and I know it's not like new news to anybody, but the ability to follow you around after you mention, search anything like is crazy now. I mean, I noticed it in conversation. We'll be talking about something in the room and it's like all of a sudden now I'm getting hit with ads on that all the time everywhere I go.  Dude, I'm getting hit with like anti-aging peptides and supplements because I've been reading and researching about it.  Dude, even somebody you're hanging out with mentions something and it'll show up in your ads. It's like, it's not an accident.  There's a mic, they're picking up on it. Like certain words. It's video. It's like, dude, there's so much more going on with your phone than we realized. We're going to find out later. They've been spying on us a whole time. You know, you brought up peptides and so I want to get better at every time we bring that stuff up because I still get tons of messages. We have a free mind pump hormones forum. So you've got questions about peptides, testosterone, both men and women, twice a month. We've got doctors in there that are talking. Answering questions for free. Answering questions for free. This is, it's totally free. They were way better qualified to answer than myself or any of these guys. And so if you have questions around any of that stuff, join the forum and engage with them when we're all in there and the doctors are there. If you want a one-on-one assessment, they can actually go and break you down or whatever. And that one's not free. If you want that one-on-one assessment, then you go to mphormones.com. You can schedule an appointment. Yes. Otherwise, the forum is free. Yeah. I mean, just like with R, I take advantage of all the free stuff first. Go in there, learn, ask questions, and see if you're a potential candidate. Hey, real quick, hope you're enjoying the podcast. Look, there's a partner that we work with called Element T. 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Of course. Yeah. Tons of value in tracking your workouts. Mainly because we can get caught up in the workout itself, the feeling, right? So I've done this many times where I probably should have a deload week, but because I had a good pre-workout or I'm coming in, I'm feeling hyped, I end up pushing myself harder than I should. Also, it's hard to keep track of everything in your mind, whether it be reps or technique or form or how you felt or stiffness. Oftentimes the only thing we tend to keep track of is the weight that we lift and we tend to forget other things. So really it's the only way to stay truly objective. Like if you really want to be objective.  And I think it's one of those things you hope to be able to kind of have an intuitive level of training where you can, you have enough experience to where when you walk into the gym, you kind of know where to go and how to navigate and how to like, you know, provide your body with the sort of stimulus that will help you keep progressing. But you're never going to get there until you really take the time out to track and to be diligent. And it's a discipline in itself to be able to see how you're, what you're doing in the gym is actually helping or maybe not helping quite as substantially as you thought. I mean, it's just like diet. It's the same thing. I mean, I think that, and to your point about intuitive training, I mean, that's the end goal, right? The end goal is to be able to intuitively eat and intuitively train. You don't want to have to track your workouts or track your diet for the rest of your life. That would be awful. But it's kind of necessary to have, bring awareness around what you're currently doing.  Well, there's plenty of research to prove that when people, you know, guess what they're doing, they're not accurate at all. So, you know, I, now what's included in that, in my opinion, is following a written workout. So if you're following a maps program, I think it's less important that you're tracking. I think there's value to tracking your weight and what you're doing within the program. But the most important part is, I think, following something consistently and then looking back and measuring what you get from that. So if you're following, say, a maps program and you do exactly what it says in there, it's less important than that, because in a sense, you're tracking. I mean, you're following something that's been written for you. So I think there's value in that. Yeah, in tracking would include, of course, exercise, reps, sets, but I used to also tell clients to track how they felt energy-wise if there was any stiffness or pain.  That's something that's good to track because you tend to forget that. You tend to forget that two weeks, you know, down the line that, oh, my shoulder did bother me a little bit two weeks ago and now it's not so much, right? Well, and also too, like, you know, one of those added metrics that I've added, you know, even going through this again, programming with high school kids was having that grip test and just to see differences in the day as they came in before the workouts and to see where their central nervous system, like how much it was willing to provide them for the day. And so it was interesting to kind of trace back sleep, for instance, for one factor. Or stress or just overwhelming amounts of schoolwork or like they had like all these tests and like their performance there was dropped a bit. So it's just, it's good information and data for you then to have knowledge going forward in your training. I do want to defend the people that have chosen not to track and don't ever plan to track. If you were at a place with your health and your fitness goals that you have accomplished them or you're completely content and happy, I don't want to run faster, jump higher, be stronger. I just want to be healthy and me exercising is keeping me there. And in your content with that, I don't, yeah, you're fine. It's only somebody who was coming to me and saying, I have XYZ goals or I'm struggling with XYZ. Do I think it's necessary for us to start tracking these things?  I mean, it's not necessarily necessary that you track, but if you're trying to get somewhere, you have a goal and you don't, I think that's kind of silly. Yeah, here's a little hack too, by the way, because I'm old enough to remember what it was like to work out before we had smartphones. And I was definitely more present in my workout and tracking your workout can help you be present because you sit down and you write down what's going on, but don't write it in your phone because there's apps and there's social media and there's texting. So bring a notepad with you and a piece of paper and just the practice of tracking can make you more present in your workouts. Just the fact that I have something that I have to pay attention to how I feel on my reps. Accountability too. Yeah, and so I'm writing that down and I do that today. So even now, sometimes when I'm working out, I find myself in between sets, I'll be on my phone. So what I'll do is I'll leave my phone in a corner of the gym so that when I work out, if I want to go to my phone, I have to get up and walk over to it. And so I don't and I end up becoming more present in my workouts. I actually have better workouts when I do that. Yeah, I've definitely noticed that. And the coaches and myself, we talk about this all the time that there's lots of helpful apps and tools out there in terms of even watching film from previous games. But it turns into just a distraction that leads pretty much the undesired result of that is that they just don't do the work. So Doug's the most consistent out of all of us when it comes to tracking his workout. I think for the last eight years that I've known him, I don't think I've ever seen him work out without a notepad. You obviously don't need that anymore. Why do you do it? Well, I'm typically following a maps program. And I do need it. I feel like I need it. I grade all his work at the end of the day. I'm at a solid A minus right now. But no, I just feel like I'm being more mindful, as you had mentioned. And also I'm tracking my weights, my reps, I'm assuming if I'm making progress. And for me, it's just a way to stay consistent with my workouts. And I kind of like just having all these notebooks too. I've got dozens of these things that I've been making over the years. Not that I'll ever look at them ever again, but it's kind of like a feeling of accomplishment. I'll tell you why I don't track anymore because I used to track all the time. I stopped because I got caught up in trying to beat my previous workout. So I noticed when I track, now I've been doing this for a long time.  So I don't, it's not necessary for me to track anymore. And what I caught myself doing was that I would track, I would look at my notebook for today's workout, compared to the previous workout. And I would always find that nagging voice that was like, oh, you gotta do one more rap.  Or yeah, add a little bit away. And so I stopped, I stopped tracking altogether. But I do, I do try to stay present by keeping my phone across the gym. But for most people, you know, unless you've been working out for a long time, it's a good idea. It's definitely a good idea. Yeah. Next question is from seedlings coaching. Would you recommend electric muscle stimulation for someone who needs to build lots of muscle? No, it's a waste of time. No. You know, okay. Simple answer, no. So, okay, STEM has been around for a long time. So I know that, and this is one of those things in fitness that gets recycled. It keeps making its way back. It gets recycled year after year. It'll either be like a belt that you wear around your core. And you can do crunches while you're at work or, you know, have ones for your butt now. Little pads that you just stick on specific. The new ones, right? This technology's been around forever. The new ones that are getting popular right now, the ones that you saw Ben Greenfield do recently, I've seen some of these bodybuilder coaches using them where people are actually working out while they're, while they're shocking themselves. Yeah. I don't see, I do not see, there's a so not pragmatic whatsoever.  No one's going to do that. Ridiculous. No. And what are you going to do? Are you going to activate a little bit more muscle fiber? You know how you do that, by the way. Try this. Do a really strong isometric. Yeah. Where you're pushing against it. Okay. So nothing activates more muscle fibers like pushing against an immovable object. So what happens is, let's say I'm doing a bench press, but the bar is, let's say I have it stuck on the safety. So I'm not going to lift the bar, but I push as hard as I can. Because I'm pushing and the bar isn't moving, my body starts to recruit more and more and more muscle fibers and nothing has been shown to recruit more muscle fibers than that. So if you want to get the effects that they purport with STEM by activating more muscle fibers, do an isometric rep like I just described, and then go do your normal set. You'll get more out of that than you will with fancy machinery. STEM is an artificial external stimulus. You're not producing that intrinsically. You don't develop the skill of it. Yeah, you're not developing the skill. And so what are you really training at that point? Maybe you are getting muscle stimulation, but you could magnify that substantially just doing a technique like Sal mentioned, which would have massive carryover for the rest of your entire body and your training. Yeah, what are you doing if you're telling your muscles to contract hard because of an external signal? The only way it makes sense to me is because you can't, because you're injured. Yeah, that's where it has a... Yes, rehab, there's the best. Application for rehab. Like I said, STEM's been around forever. If I can't move my leg, it's totally incapacitated, then I can do some STEM and that'll prevent some muscle loss. We know that or it'll help rehab an area a little faster. We know that. But no, I have yet to see anything that convinces me that this is worth anything. The only person that I would see that this would have value in is the person that's doing everything perfect, is the biohacker influencer who's going to write an article about it or something like that. Otherwise I don't. Exactly. Otherwise I say it's a complete... I think this is a waste of time. But even then it's more effective techniques. So for me, it just kind of pales in comparison. Now, what's your thoughts on as a recovery tool for like let's say somebody overreached and they're really sore in an area, would you see any value in stimulating that muscle? Because if you stimulate that muscle, you're always going to pump more blood and fluid through it. Yeah, but it's not going to be as good as just moving it yourself. It'll do something, but it's not... I guess it's better than nothing. Well, okay, so that's what I'm saying. So I'm laid up at home, I'm watching TV. I should get down and do a flow session because that would promote the same circulation. It's just better than nothing. Right, and so it's like... Nominally, yeah. I would say nominally. But yeah, I mean, Bruce Lee used STEM. You know, that's how long it's been around, but no, there's no science to support. And even then, I'd probably look more in the blood occlusion training for rehab in terms of the value of the technique. Next question is from Coyle1234. Is soreness a good indicator that your workout was effective, currently doing a five by five, two to three times per week? And unless I am sore, I feel like I didn't do enough. It's technically the opposite. Yeah, I remember when I read that and I kind of blew my mind. Dude, I was just going to say, it's probably one of the biggest game changers that I learned about what training was that soreness was not an indicator of a good workout. I thought it was, I was a kid. And if I didn't get sore... The majority of people still think that. No, my best gains came when I stopped getting sore. That's a fact. When my workouts are perfect, I feel them a little bit. That's it. I don't get super sore. When I'm super sore, that tells me I did too much. You overreached. Yep. Yeah, that's exactly what that is, that you overreached, which means you could have done less and got the same or more results. And that's the part that you have to understand is that if you are really sore, then you could have done less work and got the same or better results. Because if that soreness hinders at all, any of the movement that you go for and do the next day, then you're taking steps back. You don't realize. Plus we confuse healing with the adaptation. So I'll use a different analogy, right? So let's say I cut my hand or I rub my hand with something really rough. So now the skin is gone and the deeper layers are exposed, right? So the skin is tender. First, what my skin does is it heals. So it'll rebuild the skin that I rubbed off. And then what it'll do is it'll adapt by developing a callus. Okay, so strong healing. Yes, healing versus adapting. So when you create a little bit of damage in your muscle through exercise, your body first heals and then it adapts. So it's got to heal the muscle and then it has to adapt by making it stronger. If you're getting sore, wait till soreness goes away, workout gets sore, wait till soreness away, goes away, works out, and you never adapt, you're just stuck on a wheel. You're just getting sore and then going back and not getting stronger, not improving. So no, this is how you should feel after a workout. Maybe a little bit of soreness, but really you should feel better than you did when you walked into the gym. And no soreness is good too.  That's it. Not your soreness, but am I stronger? Am I faster? Am I building muscle? Do I have less pain? Like that's how you gauge it. Soreness is a terrible indicator. I can make look, I can tell you what.  I could have him go swim in the pool for 30 minutes, he'll get sore, right? Did he build more muscle? No, so terrible indicator. Yeah, I think that's really just, it's the point, like you can switch up your training and there's gonna be a phase where it's new novel stimulus, where your body's gonna react to it a little bit differently. So again, this is where too, the ego, we gotta check it because you probably have to do a substantial amount of less weight.  Like it doesn't translate the same. So the shortness you should take is an indicator of, okay, this is something that I need to adjust and maybe like bring scale back just a bit more. So I appropriately add this type of stress. Next question is from Joseph Charles. Do carbohydrates cause inflammation? No, that's such a general question too. I mean, certain foods can cause inflammation depending on the individual. If you have an immune response, for example. They could if you're over consuming them I was just gonna say overeating causes inflammation, right? Do some carbohydrates cause inflammation? And some people, yeah, like let's say you have like a gluten intolerance or something like that.  Well now they're inflammatory. Some fats can do that as well. Some proteins can as well. Overconsumption is probably the leading cause of inflammation. Also, when it comes to food, also we have to consider inflammation. It's not a bad thing. Inflammation is a signaler. It tells the process. It tells the body that we need to heal when you get stronger, when you do adapt. So you don't want to get rid of inflammation. You just want healthy, appropriate inflammation. And carbohydrates don't cause it. They can cause it, but that depends on the context of the individual and how many total calories you're eating. And the same thing can be said for proteins and fats. Now there are certain types of fats, for example, that are almost always inflammatory like trans fats. Sugars may be inflammatory depending on the individual, but for some people they're not. So it's such a general thing. And what's happened in the health space is that we know that inflammation is connected to chronic disease, although inflammation is also connected to building muscle, getting stronger, more endurance, all that stuff. But we know that the inflammation is connected to chronic disease. So now everything's got to be anti-inflammatory. Well, if that were the case, we could take corticosteroids and we could take ibuprofen all day long. And we would live a long time, right? No. If you do that, you'll live less, you're short in your lifespan. People who take high doses, chronic doses of NSAIDs, like ibuprofen or naproxen or other types of drugs that are over the counter, they have higher rates of tendon rupture and ligament damage and joint issues. So you need some inflammation. So it's not all bad. The key is to have appropriate levels of inflammation and to be overall healthy. So this, I can't answer this question, right? It depends on the individual and the context of their life. And once I look at that, then we can say, yes, for this person's inflammatory. I feel like this is because of the divide in our space of like the wellness for his performance. Yes, totally.  So this is another example of what frustrates me about our space is you have two intellects that are trying to communicate this information. Then instead of it, it's not black and white. It's not he's right, he's wrong or vice versa.  I mean, it's been really cool, you know, since we've been wearing these glucose monitors, just paying attention to just how all the foods affect me differently. And so a lot of times it's like, I wouldn't have guessed that I'll eat something and I'll be like, Oh, I bet that's going to spike big time. And then it doesn't. Or something like, Oh, that wasn't that big of a deal.  That's not weird. It's very weird. And it's, and it's unique to me. So the same thing that affects me that way is different than, than sound. So I just think that there's tremendous value in figuring that out for yourself. But these, these statements that our space come out with, which we're always looking for a boogeyman. You know, it doesn't matter. It shifts all the time too. And so carbs have definitely taken on that villain characteristic. Oh, they're going after protein. Yeah. Remember, I told you guys when we first started the podcast that I knew protein would be next and it sure enough. Now you're seeing people talk about how cutting protein leads to longevity and protein spikes and tour, which can feed cancer and all that stuff. And it's like, well, yeah, in a pro cancer environment, proteins and carbohydrates feed cancer because it's a cell. But in an anti, in a, in a healthy environment, it doesn't work that way. I think this also comes from the fact that being in a ketogenic diet, ketones themselves have anti-inflammatory effects. But that doesn't mean carbohydrates are inflammatory. It just, it just means that ketones, depending on the context, can be anti-inflammatory for some people. So again, this is way too general of a question. And no, they're not the boogeyman. Carbohydrates are totally fine. Of course, they're not all created equal. And context matters the most. That matters the most. If the context is a pro-inflammatory, high calorie, unhealthy individual, well, yeah, carbs can be inflammatory. So can proteins and fats with that person too? Well, and I think generally, like what we found the most is like being in a surplus enhances whatever effect that has. Oh, dude, totally. So whatever the food affects you, if you're in a surplus more than often, you're going to experience, you know, a more powerful result of that. Totally. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness or health goal. You can also find all of us on social media. 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I would love to hand over to David representing a little bit the American view on this topic. America back on diplomatic floor. Or is it back on diplomatic floor? But let's have an insight on how Americans look on this. And I definitely believe that Americans need critical raw materials. Yes, they absolutely do. So in 1948, the United States outlined its strategy to govern the Cold War in the NSC68 document. Five years later, they did the Solarium. Eisenhower did the Solarium exercise, produced the NSC document 162 slash 2. These documents outlined the critical values and its important values, industries, resources, which include capital, labor, and raw materials, geographies of the supply chain of all industry, and the military structures to protect them. And then in a loop, it defined the industry's talent, labor, resources, essentially, and logistics necessary to maintain and protect the military structure and deployment. So the United States entered the Cold War, aware of its vital interests, and mobilized to leverage the full power of the United States in an orderly, unified, and coordinated way. However, since 1989, the United States has lacked a similar new strategic plan. Americans believe great powers rise and fall as a function of choice and civic virtue. Every educated young American reads Sir Edward Gibbons' decline and fall of the Roman Empire to compare ourselves to Rome and to avoid its fate. One critical mistake always suggests itself. Though Rome's roads and ownership of the Mediterranean were legend, it's geographically specialized but diffused industries exposed its critical supply chains, which led, excuse me, to a precipitous collapse. Moreover, when talent centers were overrun, real knowledge was lost. So it took Brunelleschi until the 15th century to understand how the Romans had built the Pantheon with cement. Those secrets were lost for 1,500 years. So today, when you look at it, moving goods, specializing production, and outsourcing talent is easy. It's cheap, it's efficient. But as Executive Order 14017, which just came out in June, released, put it very clearly, and I quote, our private sector and public policy approach to domestic production, which for years prioritized efficiency and low costs over security, sustainability, and resilience, has resulted in the supply chain risks identified in this report. This report's important and it's well done. And kudos to Jake Sullivan, the National Security Advisor, as a conservative. That's hard for me to say, but credit where credit is due. But still, the report's insufficient. First of all, it focuses on high tech and defense industrial activity. But a broad-based strategic policy must also look at the security of food supply and other such less glamorous things. Two, it's not ambitious enough more later. And three, at Stovepipes Industries, a strategic plan needs to look at the whole in a fluid way. So still, NSE 68, ancillarium, this Executive Order, and the EU Commission's report on raw materials helps us focus on six key principles. One, production is preferably close to raw materials. So we have our guests here from Norga Mining, which is great. I can use them as a prop shamelessly. The Norga Mine holds several raw materials critical to automobile batteries, and we'll just outline them. But Elon Musk is setting up a factory in Germany for Tesla and for batteries. Now, his current supply comes from Morocco and China. And thus, it's vulnerable to paralysis. The whole supply chain then becomes vulnerable to paralysis. If on the other hand, the mine and the factory were very close, even co-located, you eliminate a lot of these vulnerabilities. Two, rare earth and critical raw materials. Again, using our friends from Norga as props, having the bulk of phosphates come from Western Sahara and our vanadium from China and Russia, rather than from a good ally like Norway is a big problem. But the imperative of cheap production costs leads companies to turn to questionable suppliers of labor and raw materials. Using slave labor or child labor, organized crime, conflict, spoils, and so forth. This is a wealth transfer to bad actors. So we have to be mindful when we attach so much urgency to green energy that it overpowers due diligence. Western extraction standards in mines are strict and over an expensive. But green energy drives demand for raw materials with cost pressures favoring low cost supplies, supply chains. But while the end use of the product is green, the value added supply chain is thus neither green nor moral. This is not obvious at times. China is working up the ladder of a finished product and it hides. The more it goes up, the more it hides the supply of raw materials and what you're buying. So some of these raw materials become hidden in terms of their costs, in terms of moral policy, and such. So now, sadly, in the United States, we've been ramping down the way we've been following this. We've been walking away from these documents. So we had the Defense Logistics Agency Strategic Materials which produced an annual report called the Strategic and Critical Materials Report on Stockpile Requirements. This year was the last that you'll ever see. It has just been D, the reporting requirement has just been eliminated. We have another agency, the Non-Availability of Domestic Supply Stockpile, the NDS, which stockpiles materials. It has been reduced and its transaction fund, the money to buy the stuff, has been zeroed out for 2024. It liquidated, moreover, it liquidated much of its stockpiles at the end of the Cold War. And for example, our titanium stocks are now at zero. Titanium sponge is gone in our stockpile. There's an interagency titanium sponge working group which is trying to figure out how to rebuild the supply chain. But right now the only answer it has is recycling it from end-of-life weapons systems, which is far from adequate. The other thing is the NDS only talked about strategic defense and civilian industries. It doesn't talk about our economy as a whole. So it completely ignores things like food security and so forth. So it is only for strategic military use products. China, in contrast, has the state reserve bureau, which is an economic stockpile, is growing and is more interventionist in markets. Ditto, we had this thing called the Defense Federal Acquisitions Regulation Supplement, DFARS, which qualifies friendly countries to enter into reciprocal defense procurement agreements with us. We've complicated this activity horribly so that now only Japan and Australia are part of it and have this favored status, while China has pushed ahead with its equivalent program called Go Out China. Third principle, ideas need funding. Key investment centers are handmaidens to innovation incubation centers. Consider our host, the UAE. I urge everyone to think more broadly about the Abraham Accords. Not only do they wed the financial innovation centers of the UAE and Israel together, but geopolitically it weds the emerging Eastern Mediterranean strategic area, anchored to Israel and Greece and beyond, with the Indian Ocean and East Asian strategic area anchored to the UAE, India, Japan and beyond. This should be conceived of as a powerful cultural and economic unity. Fourth principle, human capital. We are discarding essential current knowledge in human capital. Western countries lowering of value creation and outsourcing, especially in fields like mining, has led to a rise in the atrophying and key talent. The Department of Defense's fiscal year 2020 Industrial Capabilities Report said this. The entire U.S. critical material supply chain faces workforce challenges, including aging, retiring personnel and faculty, public perceptions about the nature of mining and mineral processing, and foreign competition for U.S. talent. Unless these challenges are addressed, there may not be enough qualified U.S. workers to meet domestic production needs across the entire critical materials supply chain. So in 1995, the U.S. defunded the Bureau of Mines, which issued educational grants and assisted university programs. In contrast, China has 39 universities granting mineral processing and metallurgy degrees, thousands of undergraduate and graduate students, five human capital innovation to preempt the future. The EU Commission report on raw materials identifies and extrapolates current existing technologies into yet underappreciated directions that will revolutionize industry. This was well done. Peter mentioned the batteries, so I won't go into that. It's a very serious strategy. Yet, some of the biggest strategically important changes may come from beyond existing technologies. And the EU Commission, let alone the Americans, and honestly we're out for lunch, does not really extrapolate cutting edge research that will radically alter current concepts. So we need to widen the aperture. There is no better, the U.S., as I said, is no better DARPA, which does this, is going away in the United States. So let me give you a quick example so you can understand what I'm talking about. Neodymium has been observed in producing crystals that exhibit spiral magnetism. We all know about polar magnetism, positive, negative. This is spiral. This adds a potentially revolutionary dimension for quantum computing. Now I doubt anyone in this room has quite yet thought through the implications and applications of this. I certainly have not, and I still can't understand my brother's PhD, even the title of his PhD in physics, so I'm never going to understand this. But this is precisely why centers of early-stage research, education, innovation, incubators, are perhaps the most important strategic commodity to watch. They are the first draft of the future. So we need to monitor these key centers of innovation, incubation, and education to extrapolate preemptively, to proactively secure, explore, and protect those raw materials before others place a stranglehold on their production and export. Sixth and finally, some of the most forward-thinking thought will come out of the military and security structures harboring a strong prejudice against national defense surrenders technological progress that only large military research budgets can yield and that define the world we live in now. So such broad aperture analyses are tenuously emerging quietly in the corridors of influence in Washington. But geopolitical tensions and cataclysmic events always come, and they will eventually focus the usually strategically reactive western nations into constructing a new strategic vision and develop a mobilization plan to coordinate and organize the nations around that plan, that vision. Identify new concepts of geography of critical industrial production, and map out new geographies of prioritized raw materials. So I'll leave it at that and I'll head to the discussion. Thank you very much, David, for that American view on it, and it really shows the necessity of a stable sourcing platform.