Welcome again. Thank you so much for being here tonight. We are here to reimagine South Davis Park. This is the third of four community meetings. My name is Emily Andrew, and I'm a partner assistant with the city's recreation and parks department. And also about project manager. I would like to introduce tonight's hosts, Lisa Rawson and Shelly McClure. They will coordinate comments from the community and assist during the meeting and take any notes that are needed for following up afterwards. Panelists and presenters can silence your cell phones and keep microphones needed if you're not speaking. Next slide please. Services are being provided in Spanish for tonight's meeting. Can Zoom host please explain how that will work? Charles, if you could go ahead and explain how that will work for us. Interpretation in vivo is available in Spanish for those who want to listen in Spanish. You can click on the icon that looks like a terrarium globe like here. You can choose SP for Spanish for Spanish. You can then silence the original audio to listen to the interpretation. That's all. At the time that questions and answers and public comment and put it on the panel will be prepared to assist anyone meeting interpretation. It is recommended that you shut off the main audio so you can clearly hear the Spanish interpretation. Additional instruction will be given at the time. Emily back to you for additional housekeeping for today's meeting. Thank you Elisa. As members of the public join the meeting you will be participating as an attendee.  Only today's panelists will be viewed during the meeting. If you are calling him a telephone for privacy concerns, the host will rename your viewable phone number to citizen and only the last four digits of your phone number will show. Once our informational presentation concludes I will move to questions and answers and community input. Again I will ask you to raise your hand and zoom if you have a question. A zoom host will move one by one down the list of attendees with their hands raised. Once you have asked your question or shared your input, the zoom host will lower your hand. If you heard your question asked and answered, we ask that you lower your hand so we can move through as many questions as possible. It's also the opportunity to ask questions and provide comment throughout the presentation by clicking the Q&A feature in your zoom toolbar and typing in your question or comment. The host will monitor these and all questions and comments will be read aloud and addressed during the question and public comment portion of the meeting. And that's so all attendees can benefit from the information. The City of Santa Rosa is committed to providing a safe and inclusive environment free from disruption and will not tolerate hateful speech or actions. Everyone is expected to participate respectfully or if necessary the meeting will end immediately. Next slide please. As you can see from the agenda on the slide will reintroduce the project team review the goals of the project and the project schedule. Share what we heard from you during meetings one and two, present three part concepts that are designed based upon your feedback, and most importantly we'll hear from you. Tonight we will be opening the floor to questions and answers before doing the community poll. And that is because we want to allow you the opportunity to ask clarifying questions and share your opinions and to listen and learn from each other before voting. Next slide please. Next slide please. I'd like to introduce the project team. And if you can wave when I say your name. The project team is made up of Santa Rosa staff, myself, and Jen Santos our deputy director of parks, as well as our design consultant Carla Macy. Breonna Morrison is the project manager and landscape architect. And she is working closely with Rachelle Stewart who's a civil engineer. And she's not met on this evening. I'm going to talk about Wilkinson who was providing on site assistance to community members who are participating from the family computer lab. Thanks Scott. Next slide please. So this project location map shows the city limits of Santa Rosa, the city divides itself into quadrants based upon the intersection of one or one and 12. And this neighborhood park is represented by the pink star on this map. And as you can see it falls in the southwest quadrant of the city, represented in green. South Davis Park also resides within council district one, and that is represented by Vice Mayor Eddie Alvarez. Next slide please. So we're going to roll into a quick demographics poll, it's made up of three questions. And the purpose of asking these questions is to understand who's participating in the meeting, and who's using the park. This information tells us who is missing from the process, and therefore who we will need to reach out to. It also provides an opportunity for you to get comfortable participating in schools. Can you please explain how the polls will work today. Yes, Emily. All full questions are single or multiple choice. You must answer all questions in order to submit your responses. The submit button at that is at the very end of your poll. You may need to scroll to the bottom of your screen to find it. If you are completing the poll on your smartphone, you must answer the first question before you can answer the second question. If you are participating in the meeting via landline, you will not be able to participate in the poll at the time. However, the survey will be posted on the project website tomorrow through July 6. Once everyone has completed the poll, and it has been closed, the results will appear immediately and Emily will walk you through the results. Next slide please. You can start the poll. This slide can help you answer question number two on the poll. As I said, there are three quick questions for you to respond to. Okay, we're about five people have responded. We'll give it about another minute. It doesn't appear we have anybody else responding, so I'm going to end the poll. I'm just going to quickly go over the results. Please select your age range. We have about 50% from the 35 to 44 year old age range. And then another almost 50% of 55 and older. Where do you live in the city? We have 33% from the southeast quadrant and 33% from the northeast quadrant. And only 17 from the southwest quadrant. So what we're looking for here is really people are living that live in the southwest and southeast because those are people who usually would walk to their neighborhood park. About 50% there so that's good. How do you hear about this meeting? It's like a mix between word of mouth and also social media. Thank you so much. And we will now turn over to Brianna to talk about process and concepts next slide. Thank you, Emily, and thank you to the community members who are joining us today and who have joined us in our previous two meetings. For those of you joining us for the first time, I want to quickly review the overall goals and objectives we hope to achieve with this project. Also, I'll review the project process so you understand all the opportunities you have to participate and contribute to your neighborhood park. Next slide please. Our first project goal is to update and amend the existing South Davis Park master plan created in 2003. In order to reflect the changing needs and desires of the neighborhood. This amended master plan will guide future improvements to the park. The goal is to get started on those improvements by designing and constructing a new playground area and providing associated accessibility and safety upgrades. Some of the funding for the playground is through a grant which requires the playground installation be completed by December 2023. So we want to keep this project moving forward and on schedule. Next slide please. To accomplish these project goals we will all be working collaboratively. The city is set up a website which I've linked here where updates will be posted throughout the entire project. On there you can find copies of this presentation and later recorded of the meeting and previous meetings, in case you want to share it with someone or review the information again. Without the master plan process we are soliciting and collecting your feedback and input. We review it and analyze it for common ideas and inspiration, and then incorporate it into a master plan that we hope the community can support you the community is a huge role in this process. The updated master plan and new playground area will be based on your comments. We appreciate everyone who's attending the community meetings or watching the recordings. Please continue to fill out the polls or surveys that are posted. Please email with your comments if that's easiest for you. We value all comments and feedback equally. Often people only think negative comments are worth sharing but we want to hear your positive comments also what you like is just as important to share as what you don't like. Next slide please. If you've attended our previous meetings like the one in the park shown in that picture, you may be familiar with my meeting rules. I like to share these even in the zoom meeting because they're good reminders for all of us. We often feel encouraged to participate. No one dominates be positive non judgmental and open to ideas, respect each other and share airtime. All ideas are valid. We value all feedback equally and stay open to new ways of doing things. Most importantly have fun because parks should be fun. Next slide please. This is the big picture timeline for the project which has four phases and we're in the community meetings phase. Next slide please. This is an expanded few of just the master plan process. As I mentioned earlier, the community has a lot of opportunity to provide feedback on the updated master plan. We've had two meetings so far. The first was on March 24 with 17 community members in attendance. Our second held back. I'm sorry our second was held in person at the park on April 9 and 24 community members attended. It was really great meeting many of you there by the way. Today is our third community meeting and we're going to present three conceptual master plans for you to review. Based on your comments will refine the concepts into one draft master plan that will be presented at the last community meeting in late summer. That wraps up the community engagement portion of the project, but it isn't the end of the master plan process or your last opportunity to participate. After community meeting three, we will take any final community feedback we receive and revise the draft master plan. This revised draft will be presented to the board of community services and a finalized master plan will go before city council. At each of these meetings you have an opportunity to provide additional comments or ideally express support for the community driven master plan. Once approved by council we can move forward to the next phases of the project, which is design and installation of the new playground area. Next slide please. I'd like to talk a little about the community outreach outreach we've done and the feedback we've received so far. Next slide please. The city has worked hard to notify the community about each of the project meetings and our first survey in order to solicit feedback. And this slide summarizes the various methods used so far. In association with the first two meetings we created a survey and presented it in various forms to the community for their response. The survey was conducted via zoom at community meeting number one. The paper survey for community meeting number two and posted online via survey monkey for several weeks. Additionally, we've received emails phone calls and had in person conversations with many, many community members. We've reviewed all of that feedback, which I will now share with you. Next slide please. As Emily mentioned, we like to ask a few demographic questions to understand who's responding to our survey, and to make sure we're getting feedback from all parts of the intended community. For survey one participants were from a wide range of age groups, which is great. We meet with students at Luther Burbank elementary school to help build up that under 16 age range. Next slide please. Almost 80% of participants for the survey are from the southwest and southeast quadrants. The park which connects the two sides of highway one with a pedestrian bridge serves both quadrants so that is great to see. Next slide please. I previously mentioned the city's use a lot of methods to notify people about this project. A large group of people learned about the survey from the signs in the park, which is good to hear, because it means people who visit the park are providing feedback. Next slide please. Almost 75% of survey participants traveled 10 minutes or less to visit the park, which is about a half mile walk and is the intended service radius for a neighborhood park. Next slide please. Almost 66% or two thirds of participants walk or use non vehicular transportation like bikes or skateboards to visit the park, which again falls in line with the intended service radius. Next slide please. Almost two thirds of participants visit the park regularly at least once a month or more. So we're getting regular users who are providing feedback. Next slide please. Almost 60% of survey participants spend an hour or less at the park and almost another 20%, excuse me, another 20% spend more time. This is useful to know because it helps us understand how people use the current park and how new amenities might be used. Next slide please. Most participants to select their top three primary reasons for visiting the park and the clear majority is taking kids to play and to be outside in nature. Next slide please. Almost 60% of respondents use the pedestrian bridge that connects the east and west neighborhoods to one another. You'll see in the conceptual master plans how we're proposing strengthening this connection. Next slide please. We asked people to select the top three features they appreciate most about the park. Since most participants are visiting to have kids play and enjoy nature. It's not surprising that they would value the playground equipment and trees the most. After that, the rest of the existing park features are pretty closely ranked with the pedestrian bridge, lawn and basketball court raking highest. Next slide please. Pardon me. We asked for people to pick their top three new features to improve the park. And the most votes went to sports and game features. After that amenities like a community garden or pollinator and native plant garden ranked high. Barbecue grills and improve sidewalks also received a lot of support and there were quite a few written comments which will touch on later. Next slide please. When we asked what specific new sports or game features people are interested in exercise or fitness stations and ball wall came in first and second place. Other ideas like sidewalk or schoolyard games, botchy chess and table tennis and skateboarding features were also closely ranked for third place. Next slide please. The type of playground equipment people would like to see a lot of traditional play elements like climbing features swings and slides ranked high. The zipline idea also ranked very high. We'll use this information and more that will be gathered in our next survey to design the new playground area. Next slide please. When asked for the survey results participants said that keeping the park clean maintained and safe should be the top goals. Next slide please. At the April 9 meeting we had a few neighborhood children who didn't take the survey but who did draw out some ideas for us based on these drawings showing trees grass flowers and lots of play features like climbing walls slides and club houses. It seems that nature and play are very important to even the youngest park users. Next slide please. In addition to write in comments on the survey we received emails phone calls and had in person conversations from all of this feedback we pulled out some major themes which are shown here. Inclusivity and accessibility came up in many comments. We received emails requesting inclusive and accessible playground equipment, which is important for kids with a variety of physical and developmental disabilities. We also heard that park amenities should be protected should be provided for all age groups, not just the two to 12 age range that playgrounds typically serve. The challenges of parking in the neighborhood with narrow streets and disconnected sidewalks was also mentioned several times. The main theme was park safety and maintenance, which we know from the survey results is a top goal of the community. A popular request was fencing around the toddler playground to help parents keep an eye on kids playground fencing was also mentioned as a component of accessible design. In addition to the park safety and maintenance comments included repairing or replacing the existing metal wall slash still fence at the park, providing better lighting and fencing off the area under the pedestrian bridge which was included on the original master plan. The area under the pedestrian bridge ramp that is. Another theme that showed up as community. We heard a lot of support for incorporating the vacant lot on the east side of the pedestrian bridge into the master plan. The pictures on this slide show a neighborhood group that has regularly pulled weeds spread mulch and cared for that lot. We also heard great stories about pre pandemic events held in the park like a summer camp out and movie nights. It's very clear that the park is an important part of the neighborhood due to the efforts of dedicated neighbors. On the outside of these themes we've received quite a few comments about the existing playground equipment and homeless encampments so I wanted to touch on those topics. The existing playground equipment is over 20 years old and out of compliance with current codes so it needs to be updated. The parks department ideally replaces playground equipment around this age anyway. At the onsite meeting there was a lot of discussion about homeless encampments that periodically exist at the park. So I wanted to touch on this and is working with the city's homeless encampment assistance program to address it. Next slide please. Okay, now it's time to review our three conceptual master plans. We've taken your feedback and comments and use that information to develop three diverse ideas for what South Davis Park could look like. Our intent is to demonstrate a variety of ideas layouts and amenities for your consideration. If you have the ideas you may not like, some of them you may feel that if they were perhaps in a different location you would like it. It's very unlikely that you'll review these and find any one of them got it perfect, but maybe if we took this from concept A and that from concept C, then it would be perfect. We're going to ask you this kind of feedback at the end of the meeting and in our survey. So please pay attention to the different ideas. Remember that these are conceptual and not final, and then share your thoughts during the public import portion of this meeting, the public input portion of this meeting, or in the survey. Next slide please. As a reminder to everyone, South Davis Park is bordered by Highway 101 Highway 12 and South Davis Street. The park serves a half mile radius shown as the outer yellow outer yellow circle. Next slide please. This is the organization of the existing park oriented looking to the east. The existing park has a metal wall in the north end that changes to a block wall on the south end. There is a combined playground area, several picnic tables, a basketball half court, a long lawn, and a pedestrian bridge which connects to the neighborhood at South a and Earl, where the city owned vacant lot is located. The portion of the park, mostly the area of trees along 101 and the block wall is Caltrans right of way and not park property. Next slide please. As we review these master plans, please keep in mind that we're trying to envision the full build out of the park, which is just a vision and not a guarantee. The vision for what the park could be allows for some elements to be added in phases without restricting future improvements. Our goal for this project is to update the playground area and planning for what else the community might want in the future lets us locate the new playground in the right spot. Next slide please. In terms of the concepts we're proposing replacing the existing chain link fence on the east side of 101 and the steel fence on the north end of the park with the masonry block wall, similar to what exists at the south end of the park. In the survey later we're going to ask if you support this idea. Next slide please. We're also proposing removing all the existing eucalyptus trees that are planted along the steel fence. They aren't in great shape, and they are not a fire safe tree. If you support that. Also will ask if you support showing amenities in the master plan, which would require selective removal of non eucalyptus trees when constructed. We know that trees are very important to the community, and we'd like to know what the tolerance for tree removal is. Next slide please. Our first concept is concept a, which we've nicknamed fun and games. The survey results showed a lot of support for fitness and gaming amenities. So we wanted to see what a park that fully embraced that theme could look like. I will zoom in on each of these elements and share images, but let's quickly look at the overall plan. The concept includes three sports courts, a skate spot, fitness stations surrounded by a picnic area, and a new playground area on the south end of the park. Next slide please. The survey showed support for skateboarding amenities. So we've included this small skate spot on the louder north end of the park under the trees. The skate spot skate spots are smaller than skate parks, and usually include street style skateboarding versus big bowls and things you'd see at a larger park. The skate spot is located off the main sidewalk and would be accessed by smaller path that could also feature skating elements. The top two images on this slide are from local parks, Bayer Park and Andy's unity park. Next slide please. Thank you, Brianna. We're going to go to the next slide. Just a reminder that the interpretation is in action if we can keep the pace for all attendees and participants to a slow roll so they can keep up that would be fantastic. You got it. All right. The park master plan shows two half basketball courts. So we've honored that in this concept, but relocated the second court to the north end of the park, where the existing playground is. This court is oriented so that people are shooting towards the new block wall, which reduces some conflict between stray balls and other park users. Please. Since the basketball court moved, we thought this space could become a court for other games, including pickleball and various schoolyard games like four square hopscotch and large scale chess or checkers. If Caltrans was agreeable, the existing wall there could be painted for wall ball activities. One thing to note is we are proposing rebuilding the curb along this space and changing it from a dead end street to a portion of the park. Next slide please. Fitness stations come in many styles from simple poles and steps to more advanced equipment. While the exact equipment would be decided when this gets built, having fitness stations tucked beneath the trees here would be nice because of the shade and proximity to the other sports sport uses. We know that fitness stations were supported in the survey so we'd like to get your feedback on that. Next slide please. This proposed playground layout shows two areas separated by a sidewalk. We're showing some colored concrete in front of the playground, which could include sidewalk games or just be used by kids to draw on. The main playground area has fencing separating it from the street, but it isn't fully enclosed. We'd like to hear your thoughts on that. And then the bottom left of this slide is playground fencing that isn't completely solid, just to give an example of what could be possible if traditional fencing wasn't desired. Next slide please. This concept keeps a lot of the existing lawn with a small portion being removed for the new playground. There are several benches along the lawn, which could allow walkers to sit and rest or just provide a place to appreciate the green and the trees. Next slide please. We received some comments requesting a basketball court on the east side lot. This proposes continuing the curb and making the dead end street into a half court, which could be striped for other games or sports similar to the west side. We also included a small seating area that could fit ping pong and chess tables, or just perhaps picnic tables. The rest of the lot could be new plantings. Next slide please. Concept B is based on the theme of community and connection. And we've included ideas that would tie the two sides of the highway together through public art, while providing amenities that support socialization. The proposal includes a large central community court or plaza, plenty of senior seating areas and a community garden. Next slide please. As I mentioned, fitness stations were very popular in the survey. So here, fitness stations are located on the north end of the park along the proposed block wall. You can see here that by removing the existing eucalyptus trees, the park gains some new usable space. Next slide please. The downtown area here is in the same location as the existing playground. However, it has been expanded and includes several play areas tucked under the trees. Some of those circular areas separated from the main play space could include freestanding play features like climbers, panels or quieter play activities. Fencing here is shown along the road but doesn't surround the play area. Also, the fitness stations are located nearby, which could be useful to parents or guardians that want to exercise while keeping an eye on the kids. In the survey will ask you if you like this idea, or if you would prefer the play equipment to be in a separate area. Next slide please. Games like table tennis or chess are great connection activities. So various kinds are located in picnic areas around the center of the park. The circled area shows a picnic table next to table tennis, but this could also be two picnic tables or have other game tables. Next slide please. Here we've envisioned an expanded plaza and courtyard space at the end of Earl Street that would be flexible for many uses. It could include seating and bike racks, provide space for community activities like movie nights, allow for public art like a pavement mural, and could be striped for basketball or other sports. You'll see later we're proposing something similar on the east side to help visually connect the two spaces. Next slide please. At our onsite meeting, people were sitting in these loosely arranged chairs and chatting with each other before the meeting began, which was really great to see. There are several locations in this concept of chairs, which would be permanently mounted to a base or pavement, but they could be arranged to appear pretty casual. And there's a great opportunity to find furnishings that are bold and colorful, which seems aligned with the spirit of the community. Next slide please. On the south end of the park, there's a large group picnic area with barbecue pits and other amenities like trash cans, drinking fountains, and seating. Another freestanding play element could go here, which is what the circular area represents. Maybe another Bay of Swings or a freestanding climbing element. The image on the bottom right is the picnic and playground area at Coffee Park as an example of what this might feel like. Next slide please. A community themed concept definitely needs a community garden. This garden bisects the existing lawn and brings the sidewalk into the park to allow for a more dynamic feeling in the space. The parks and parks are organized and maintained by volunteers and neighbors, which is something to keep in mind. This is a very active neighborhood so a community garden could be very successful. Next slide please. This lawn is broken up by the community garden. So rather than a long and continuous space, there are now two areas. The survey showed some interest in botchy or petank. This is an informal version of botchy ball. So that definitely could be played on the lawn without a formal court. Next slide please. In response to some of the parking concerns, this concept shows that parallel parking spaces could fit, perhaps on the south end where the park property narrows. This would require selective removal of trees, and it's a small number of spaces. Next slide please. On the other side, the east side could include a flexible community court. This drawing shows a cornhole set near the new block wall. There's also a picnic space with two tables and a barbecue grill, as well as some new plantings and perhaps even some new trees to dress up the wall. Next slide please. So that people primarily use the park and appreciate elements of the park related to nature and play. So that's the theme of our last concept, concept C. This includes a very large play area, a zipline, several native plant gardens, and a community garden for the east side neighborhood. Next slide please. This play area is again located similar to the existing playground, but it expands and weaves through all the trees. The fencing shown here is on the inside edge of the sidewalk and turns and runs toward and turns and runs towards the wall. So it closes off one end of the play area. The idea here is to take the space under the redwood trees and make it all one large play space. This element could be nature themed, but it doesn't have to be. There are benches and some low ballard lights throughout the space. Next slide please. Next to the playground, a natural surface trail weaves under the trees and creates a pollinator and native plant garden surrounded by picnic trees. This would be a great place to spend an hour or two enjoying nature or have a picnic with family. The garden areas like this have a group of volunteers to maintain them so that they get the care and intention that really makes them shine. The images shown here are from the pollinator garden at Coffee Park. Next slide please. We feel like the basketball court is pretty important to the park and users. So here the dead end street is shown as part of the park with curb and sidewalk. The park is restriped and resurfaced. There are still opportunities including for incorporating other events like wall ball and sports, like pickleball. But we've kept it pretty simple in this graphic. We're also showing a bike rack and there are some benches near the sidewalk for people to watch the fun. Next slide please. Another great way to enjoy nature is to have a reason to be outside in it. So these seating areas include picnic tables and barbecue, barbecue pits. Two locations are shown on either side of the lawn, so multiple groups could barbecue at the same time. Next slide please. Of all the concepts, the lawn has been reduced the most here. This is a large enough space for kids to run and for informal games like the tank, although it is smaller than what currently exists. We'd love to know how you feel about that. Next slide please. These fitness stations are located off the trail on the south end of the park. They're again located near playground equipment. As I mentioned before, fitness station equipment can be pretty simple or more complex like this equipment shown in the picture at Coffee Park. Next slide please. The survey showed people like the idea of a zip line. They are very long with wide safety zones. So this one is located away from the other play equipment where it fits nicely in the narrow space that's available. It doesn't mean that we couldn't include zip lines in other areas of the park if that's what the community would like. Next slide please. With such an active group on the east side of the highway, a growing community garden in the dead end street space could be really successful. Working with plants and growing flowers and vegetables is a wonderful way to enjoy nature. In addition to that, a large native plant garden with seating and a picnic table is shown here, providing a variety of amenities to the side of the community. Next slide please. I know that was a lot of information and I apologize for speaking very quickly at the beginning. But we hope you're excited by what we presented. And next slide please. Now I will turn it back to Emily so we can hear what you think. Thank you, Brianna. Yeah, we're now going to open the meeting to your questions and comments. As I mentioned earlier, we are opening floor to public input before taking tonight's poll. And we really want you to be able to ask your questions and listen to each other before voting on the phone. Next slide please. So if you would, we would love to hear what you like and what you don't like so much about you to the concepts and then anything else that you want to talk about. And as Brianna mentioned that the final plan will likely be a mix of all three of the plans and will be refined based upon your feedback tonight and the survey results. Next slide please. So first to make a comment via Zoom, please raise your hand. If you're dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand. Hoselle, can you please explain how public comments will be heard. Thank you. A countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and the viewers. The first speaker will be acknowledged and invited to speak. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you're invited to do so. Your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown or at the conclusion of your comment. If you're participating in the meeting from the Spanish channel in zoom. We have an interpreter on standby in the English channel to assist during your public comment. If you wish to ask a question or provide input, please be sure to pause throughout your comments to allow for interpretation. Those using interpreter support will be afforded additional time for your comments for Spanish speakers at the time you hear your name called turn off the Spanish channel to make sure your public comment. I'm sorry to make your public comment. The icon that now looks like a circle with the ES in the middle and the word Spanish underneath.  Anything we can say to get you to share your thoughts among your community members. We have any questions about any of the concepts that we can answer for you. If we have hands up at any point from here on, we can come back and ask them to relay their question if you'd like to move to the next segment. Thank you, Shelley. We do have one question in the Q&A feature. That is what additional housing is planned within half mile walking distance in the latest master plan. I will have to do research to find that out. I don't know if Jen has any information on that. Yes, Emily. And yeah, I'll just reiterate. We'll have to take a look at that. We do have a community that has a lot of houses already built. So we would be looking at potentially infill construction so we can have that information available and provide that at the next meeting and on the website. So we're going once. Going twice before we jump into community poll number two. Okay, one more question in the Q&A feature. Would any and all of the playground features shown be fully funded with existing funds? Some of the features would be. It depends on what we end up building and then we'd work with a playground manufacturer to figure out what we could construct with the budget that we have about $140,000 for the playground. We can go ahead and jump into the survey and if anyone has questions at the end, you're welcome to ask them. Next slide, please. I would like to have the master plan concepts up during the poll. So there are 10 questions in this poll and we will let you read them and answer them. And we'll give you probably about five minutes to do that. Emily, I believe there were a couple slides to show examples of public art and playgrounds are those available. Yes. Okay, so if you advance for a couple more slides. Forward. So I'll just quickly while people are taking the survey explain these. We asked in the survey. If you like or do not like the idea of public art. These are some examples of what public art could look like. It doesn't have to necessarily be a mural or sculpture. It could be a variety of things. Next slide please. I have a question about the type of playground equipment you're interested in seeing. So, these are some examples of what those categories might be themed equipment is often designed to look like something it could be a spaceship it could look like a barn like you see here. Traditional equipment is very similar to what exists in the current park. Modern equipment could be something that's less traditionally shaped at like this kind of wavy climbing wall. Modern equipment might be things with lots of cables. Interesting metal shapes.  Things that have like the mushrooms there's a variety of things that could be considered naturalistic. Next slide please. So this is got the concepts again up so while you're filling out the survey, you can see those. Okay, we still have a few people. If you would like to finish the poll, we still have time I'll leave it up for another minute. And there's a couple more questions. We have one more survey with a couple of four questions on it. Thank you I'm going to end the poll for the first eight questions show the results. We'll take a moment to gather that information and then I'll start the last of this poll of the third poll. Emily I'll go ahead and just review them. So it looks like concept C. We've got about five participants so concept C got two likes. We got one for concept to be which was community and connection. And two people said that they like elements from each of the plans. So that's good to know. The top three favorite elements in the concepts are exercise equipment, zip line, native plant and community garden, which aligns with our previous survey results, and then also some support for the public art. The least favorite elements are the exercise equipment and play areas. We have a skate park, got two votes, and then the community garden, schoolyard games and public art also showed up as least favorite so hopefully once we do the larger survey of the community will start to see a bigger difference between those two. The playground equipment that are preferred naturalistic is at the top, and people seem to like everything else but the more modern equipment. And would you prefer areas to be physically separated. Most people said yes, preferance for play areas to be fenced a little bit split with yes on top. Would you prefer the play areas to be separated from the fitness station, more of a preference for no. So again we're hoping that we can get more feedback when we put out the survey so that we get can tell a little bit of a difference between these results. Thank you. I'm going to stop sharing and I'll put up the next piece. Okay. And there's a few slides to go with those questions. I'm going to pull this up I can just step through them. Next slide please. So this is just a reminder that we're trying to get your feedback on if you would be supportive of removing the existing eucalyptus trees. And question number two is would you support selective removal of other trees besides eucalyptus trees, if necessary. Next slide please. And again is asking if you would support, including removal and replacement of the steel fence with a block wall in the master plan. Next slide please. And this is based on a lot of the stories we heard from community members sharing information about living in the neighborhood before the highway went through some of the events that happen in the neighborhood now. And I'm interested if the neighborhood would participate in a community history or community identity collection for incorporation into future public art in the park. And these are just some examples of what that might mean. Thank you. We'll give you about another minute to complete the poll. All right, thank you. I'm going to end the poll and share the results. All right. So it looks like most people are in support of removing the existing eucalyptus trees, as well as selective removal of other trees. Everyone is in support of seeing the existing steel fence shown as a block wall in the master plan. And we have several people who would participate in a community history collection. So, thank you very much for giving us that feedback. Next slide please. And then next steps I just wanted to ask one more time if anybody has any, any questions or comments that they want to share with the group. So I'll move on to next steps. Next slide please. So tonight is meeting number three of four community meetings. Your attendance tonight, as Brianna said early in the meeting, a recording of the meeting will be up on the website early next week. The online survey will be available after this meeting as will the presentation that we just shared. We do hope that you will let your neighbors and friends know about the survey we would love to have a lot more participation in that and get a lot more feedback on that. We do plan to work with the Luther Burbank elementary school students early next in this next school year to get more feedback, particularly on the play ground and the play areas. The fourth meeting will be in late summer, it'll be on a Wednesday. So we have the opportunity for people to participate from the libraries if need be, or from the computer lab at family. And we will also try and incorporate definitely for the next survey and may be able to incorporate into the current one. The additional option for no preference or no opinion for the questions so appreciate that feedback. With that, I just want to say thank you so much for being here this evening we really appreciate your time you know you have a lot of things to be doing with your time and to have you here and to hear your opinions on your neighborhood park. Thank you so much and thank you, Brianna and Jen and Lisa and Shelly. Thanks. Any questions, please feel free to give me a call or send me an email.


Hey Chad, how are you doing today? Good, how are you? Good. So given the miracle and the heroics of that Cleveland game and how you're playing in your second straight Super Bowl, been around the NFL for a very long time, if you were to win the Super Bowl, could this be the end to your career and also have you thought about life after football? Yeah, I mean, I'll talk about it with my family after the season. I'm on contract for another year, but I feel like I still got a little gas in the tank. I will talk about it again with my family, but at the same time, after football, I feel like I just want to get back and coach quarterbacks and help out at high school. I feel like with all this information and all these years and experience, I can get back to the community and help out some younger quarterbacks.


Hello everybody who's who's present This is our Community meeting for network manager. We had it also in the past like last year in DEF CONF and two years ago And also in DEF CONF US past summer So the format is very unstructured. We just Well, I thought I'd give a quick intro what happened in the past year with network manager but the focus should be on if you have any questions or Well, whatever you would like to discuss So let me just Well, I thought I'd give a quick summary of network manager what happened in the past year So just this week we really we made a new release then 1.30 release. I think that's actually pretty good as As always I had the feeling that every release is better than the previous one So this too, it's already in Fedora Fedora 34 and I think I was in Debian testing or at least unstable and What does it bring? Well when I always write the news file for the For the release or when we write it together it often strikes me that there are not so many interesting new features But that I feel that's kind of natural for such an old project, right network manager I mean we got support for Wi-Fi 10 years ago or 15 years ago So all of these normal things already work. So when we add a new feature, it's often quite well not It's quite obscure So to say but there are still a few nice features for example Maybe penny Amina would like to say something about it for example about WPA 3 support They'll Penny Amina would you like to say something? Okay, it's fine. So Well WPA 3 that is of course mostly handled by WPA supplicant so network managers just needed Hi penny Amino Hi, did you hear me? Yes Yes, I also pass Link to a blog article that we did for the one 30 release and as Thomas said Thomas said we don't have much very many exciting features, but there are there is some interesting stuff like the virtual Ethernet support that was introduced by Fernando We also have about WPA 3 We support a stronger Authentication for WPA 3 enterprise and There are a lot of improvements regarding for example the in-ear degenerator and And LibnM you can check the article for more details Yes, I think yeah, the in-ear degenerator that saw quite some improvements and it's a relatively new Part of network manager that we what it does it it basically it passes the command line from the kernel as defined by drakehead and then it runs in in-ear the run by drakehead and it It sets up the network like previously the drakehead network module it it was basically a shell script that spawned the edge client And now a network manager runs there So I think that works quite well. This is what happens in rel in recent rel versions and in in fedora And of course it happens if you use network in In it in it are the I Think it's a good way to avoid duplicating the effort so instead of having a Way to configure networking in interd and a different one in the real root We have unified that and now network manager manages with the network from the very beginning of this the boot Going on and Yes, what I think would improve another thing that improved I think our CI and testing keeps getting better. I think that's also related because now more other components use network manager, I mean like 10 years ago, there was only only nm upload and there was no CI and When we would test network manager for release, we would click around in the applet but nowadays all our that we have a lot of CI and other components that use the API Extensively and differently than a user would do in nm. Uplet like in nm. Uplet you click it doesn't work You click again, and you say okay the test best, but there were so many run time Conditions there that could happen, but if you have but we If we have all these tools that use network manager, then the API is much more used and tested so I think the biggest improvements were That network manager keeps getting more stable and more testing and also more use like we have now nm state and answer the rule Which are related broad projects that can configure network manager. Yes Fernando is one of the maintainers of nm state. Yes. Hi Fernando Hi If you have any question or anything related to suggestions or whatever related to nm state So feel free to ask we use network manager for applying the network configuration and supporting persistent state and rollback on On nm state So yeah, I will say that's without never manager state that's almost nothing just gather the Network state so We are testing a lot. Never manager in our CI. So this all of us to To collaborate even more because well never manager at the same time is running enemy state test so we can coordinate efforts and It's all of us to discover bugs More quick Yeah, I mean say that if you have any question or whatever Go ahead, please. I think I Think you will share audio to write the they could share audio if they want to talk Yeah Thank You Fernando Andreas asked the question Could we get a simple and out-of-the-box comment script or system role to quickly bridge a physical interface and pass the IP Configure of the interface forward to the bridge without rebooting the system um Well Well, first of all if the interface currently is configured with static IP configuration Then you would basically just create a profile a bridge profile with the same static IP configuration so that That kind that of course works. You just create the new profiles like the bridge and the port profiles for it With static IP configuration and then you activate them. You don't need to reboot for that and that is also for example what I'm state and And the system role does like the Ansible system role You can configure there the profiles in in yaml in the Ansible playbook and then it does it But more it I think this question was more like if you were doing DHCP on the interface and then it's And then you are not guaranteed that you get this then of course you can create a profile for the bridge that also does DHCP And if you do everything right Then you might get the same IP address there, but yeah For example did the IP address that you get depends on your MAC address, right? So you need to take care that the bridge has the same MAC address Hmm I think this is all possible By for example, if you use the Ansible system role That you just create the right profiles Yes As you said with with the ACP it's a bit more difficult because you have to if you want to guarantee that the IP is the same For example, you have to use the same MAC address, but also if you use IPv6, I think you need to Check that you use a do it and IAID based on the MAC address so It's a bit more difficult Regarding The question so providing a command. Yeah, I don't think it should be in network manager But maybe in something at an upper layer like an M-state or Yes For that case we have introduced For bridges and bonds etc. We have introduced a new property, which is copy MAC from So it's allowed you to specify the MAC of the interface that you that you want to copy the the MAC address So I think if that is the case and someone configure a bridge with the ACP and copy the MAC address from one of the boards The Mac that the IP will be confused as the Correctly, I think I I should look more close at this use case But if you are if you are interested on having this support on NMS state Because it could be useful for you Let us know down github Yes, I think I think this is possible but yeah indicating with NMCLI. I think it's possible with NMS state so if you want to Do to check this father, I will pass it that you have a possibility of NMS state And the recommendation so you can take a look to it and I think it could be possible to do with a simple stating in NMS state this data procedure I Encourage you to try it out and it should be straightforward if something that's not wrong that does not work on your side Let us know only you have issue or by IRC or email and we could have you Yeah, I think Yes, and there's also suggested is an NMCLI comment and yeah the difficulty Is we are always very slow at adding new and this NMCLI comments because this is kind of our API and Then usually later later turns out to not be flexible enough or so Yeah That's it's a good idea How to improve that Did you hi, hi, I'm I covered the I opened it a mere request to network manager to add support To guide why were two NM GUI? If you want to talk a little bit about this much request it will be nice Yes, I saw the merge request. Thank you. That's really great Especially because NMCLI currently cannot configure why I got peers So if you could do that with NM GUI at least it would be very helpful So we're looking forward to to finalize this one Thank you. I currently I'm trying to To add the peer support. I'm I took a look to the code that That let you Configure the IP roots in for example in in in any in any interface and I'm trying to Take this code and adapt to to add The support to the to the peers I'm I Basically, I'm and now I have some kind of monster code Because I copied the the files. Let me see the files. I used to to Just start with the with the peer support Sorry, I'm searching I I'm taking a sample and Mt root editor dot C and dot H and Mt root entry dot C and Mt root table dot C and I'm trying to adapt this code like I copied this code change the name to to guy guard peer entry or table or editor and And I'm trying to to add the the peer support And Then taking us this this other code as As the base or as a sample I mean, I'm not sure if this is the Decorate the path or the crossway, but this is really what I'm trying to Yes That I don't know but I would think that Like for the routes if you look at the UI in and in three for the routes. It's relatively simple. It's like a list or like a table and That also would work for wire guard beers, but it might not I don't know if for wire guard beers There are so many properties, right? So I'm not sure how you could how you could have them all in one line Okay, so It might look confusing So I'm not sure I guess there should be like a list of all the peers by their and then you could Edit one and it would open a new window Or maybe you could select one and below there are the the fields of the of the selected beer that you can then edit like not opening a new window but in the same window to Use up there is a list of all the peers and then below there are the The properties of the beer I also take a look to them to I think was a Beniamio's commit that they are the he had Had it Where would wire guard support to and and then connects your connector editor and the Graphical user interface and I My my plan was to more or less replicate the the graphical user Editor it to the text user editor Yeah That sounds good. I Would also think that the slaves or the like if you have a bridge if you edit a bridge Configuration then you see there a list of all the ports and those and I think that is similar There should be a list of all the peers and then you can select one of them and edit Okay, right. So I think a better example are the list of the ports for a bridge then the list of routes because the routes are Yeah, it's from the ui is just different and If the routes is not the the better code to to take as an example, do you know any other any other files in the MM and an empty UI that maybe It could be similar to what are you but what do you want in? in in the the peer editor I Don't know which file now. I'm not familiar with any three code But if you open the if you create a bridge profile, then you will see there are the list of all the slaves Okay, okay, and now I understand that The only difference is that when the new slave you click to add a new slave in the bridge for example Sponsor new It reuses the ad connection the connection editor for internet So it's simple in it's a bit simpler in that in that case you instead have to add a new dialogue for the peers Okay Yeah, but I think the bridges and bonds are good are a good good example Okay, I want to go to to that code and I will try to to To be used into To do the the peer the peer supper I think this is the the file that Javier is looking for the NMT slave list No, I know I will currently I'm looking for this file But but this one currently show up the list of slave Okay Then it's show up the list and I think it's implementing the get property and set property So, okay, but not sure how this work with the rest of the good. That's I'm not familiar to with an M3 Okay Yes, let's talk about this also more next week on IRC or on the merge request perfect I will keep in touch with with and We've got this further in the following day but Thank you About the previous topic Andreas also said that on on hosted system It's important that you are able to do this without cutting yourself off from the network And in general that is of course important that yes Andreas said Before also without reboot and in general It's important that you for network manager that you can change something with without rebooting So we never say the solution is to reboot the machine So definitely should be possible, but it's a bit dangerous, right? You activate the diff you it might just work especially if you use static IP addressing So you can do it via SSH you activate the other profile and it will be fine But then if you do the HCP and that other interface and you might get a different IP address that could be highly annoying right Yeah, and then currently an in-state also has an outreach. She's student and She's also here today. I hope I pronounced the name correctly Shria So hi Maybe Fernando you would like to yeah to say something about the opportunity project I would like her to introduce herself if possible, so If you want to request audio if not, I can do it Hello Hello Yes, hi, my name is Shria, and I'm from India and currently I'm contributing to NM state with Fernando and And We are we are trying we are writing codes to implement why I got support to NM state And I'm here to learn and connect to you with you all That's great. Thank you Yes, it seems why I got this quite popular nowadays Yes, indeed it is and our plans is to support you for the next big release of NM state. So There is already a draft PR which needs some work, but it's Mostly working in the main cases needs to Some conditions on peers, etc. But it's in very good shape So yeah, it's really nice doing a pretty good job here. And hopefully we can Simplify that why I got configuration using NM manager with this So only two weeks ago, Ben Yamino also did a batch to NM applet. So finally NM applet also works with why I got nice What is still missing is GNOME GNOME 3 support Like the control center and the GNOME shell But we I mean the people here we actually don't usually work on on GNOME stuff. So That is more the Yeah, we are a bit detached from the community there. I mean we usually don't contribute to GNOME control center So hopefully somebody will pick it up. So if there are any questions, right, please feel encouraged to ask In the meantime, I was thinking about what what will we do in the next year for network manager and Again, the answer is not very exciting unfortunately, it's because We just try to keep network manager to get better Okay, let me hi Andreas Andreas. Hello. It's really nice to see you For the first time. I'm only a user of network manager and I would like to share my purse Which I couldn't solve without your help Thomas. I'm working for SAP and We faced the situation where we wanted to use hotplug functionality for some network cards You know, there are different cloud environments and other environments where you can just plug in a network card and And some of my colleagues wanted to make it work As it is just plug it in get an IP address with DHCP and it was not possible on the red hat seven for the first time and Then I realized that there is a really huge Potential in network manager and and a bunch of features, but probably people just don't know about You know, like was someone asked to have a one-liner for a bonding stuff things like that and do you have any idea how I could Show examples, I mean like real life examples to my colleagues Oh, and the good news is with your help I could a bit evangelize or how to say network manager in SAP So now we started to use it in many projects here in Hungary, of course, but also in Germany, US and India With the config you helped us to make Oh, that's great. We are always happy if it works Is this is this in a cloud environment like in Amazon cloud or so we have a Own cloud environment, which is basically an open stack fork and now we use it there and and Some other places also, but my main point would be When we are just running through the documentation for the first time many things and and really nice features what network manager Has it's not obvious for the first time like I've never believed that it can match Interfaces, I mean types or names or or anything like that to apply a configuration for that interface And you know, I was using network manager for years because of my desktop, of course but Yeah, and and when you show people that listen use network manager Just look at the routing table the metrics will be much better if you start network manager and and not these Old legacy kind of and not only use this old kind of legacy Shell script network configuration files. It will be much better in many ways But for some reason people still ignore it or I guess they just don't know Do you have any ideas how to? How to let people know about the nice features which network manager has Well, unfortunately, I think we are very bad at marketing like only recently the past year We got a better website, hopefully and it's still at the infancy. I Mean, there is no content there yet. We really need to improve that so All of these things need to be improved by like more blogging more helpful. For example system D back a few years ago, Leonard wrote these These really great blog articles system D for administrators So I think such blog articles are actually very useful thing So we should do more of that second our website really should improve We are aware of that but unfortunately making website is not I mean not like the content of the website. It's just Yeah, huge time sink. Yeah, I know it can be a huge time sink and we are not Yes, and in I guess a lot of people dislike network manager also that is fine. Of course, you can use whatever you want but they have a certain preconception and and I find it hard to I Think we need to fix that by by just that it works. Well, so it's not it's I So sure we should do better marketing But I also believe it should just work well for people and speak for itself But you're right people might not not discover the features Right. So, yeah, I have no answer for that, but it's a good point It's really so important just to sell your project in a in a good way I mean not sell but to make to advertise what What it just can do so that people can learn it and and and see that it is useful to them. I Don't know how to improve that But many thanks for all your help. You really helped a lot to me In my daily job. Yeah, that's great Yes, I think you also are lively IRC channel is important here we should we should really Be there when when people have questions sometimes on the mailing list our mailing list is not very active But sometimes somebody asked ask the question and it doesn't get much attention. That's also bad Somebody from the community should always reply to him to emails or on IRC channel and help out to others So that's important. Yeah but great that I mean, we obviously like network manager, so it's great if others also can appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you I mean, we were often talking about how can we even improve our I don't know. Yeah advertisement advertisement is such a bad word, but How yeah, what do other think about that like Benimino, Fernando, what do you think? or in the audience of course as you said For sure blogging would help and advertise more when you have new exciting features Or even Minor features Like for example, you said that we added support to the applet and For many people that could be very useful. So maybe we should start publishing some somewhere about it and Yes improving the documentation So people know documentation on the website, for example, so people know What are the features? and maybe also increasing our Community so the people who contribute to network manager. I don't have a Suggestion on how to improve it But that would help if we have more people contributing Or even more people reporting what they need which are the features that Can make network manager better. I think blogging is obviously something quite good We should do more blogging Also, I noticed that a lot of community a lot of people is using Nepal manager But they don't know they're using never manager if they are not Technical and have to do networking stuff because well or Fedora users use never manager Sent us or really is it so well, I will say that's Also, if I know wrong Ubuntu users also use never manager, right? That depends which flavor you use with server Ubuntu you get network D and With desktop you well you anyway can choose but I think by default Yeah, so well I think now that's Mostly all of my friends and people around me use never manager even they don't know so Maybe one one thing that I could find it's a travel shooting guide when I look for issues of never manager Well, it's it's nice to have like I don't know a guide or a wiki or something where we have the troubleshooting if you find this issue You need to do whatever other because well, I always go to the arch wiki Which is quite useful and have a lot of two troubleshooting stuff for never manager but it would be nice to have something specific for never manager issues and as straight I say as A student and new contributor. I find belongs blocks related to networking of the of the project, etc. Really helpful Maybe that is something that can really help new contributors. Yeah, I Think it's rare. You're right. It's very nice to have blocks explaining stuff about never manager And it's not only for new contributors for me. Why God was something that's Known so The block about how to configure why got interfaces using never manager was pretty helpful to understand how it work So I think for even new contributors and all contributors. This could be something good Because well never manager is too weak and it doesn't matter if you implement something You're not going to work or you're not going to understand the whole project and all the features So maybe you will need to look to the commutation from time to time Eric was asking whether the core team has some private channels or whether we use the mailing list list or ISE channels and Actually, we had our I think our main channel is the upstream ISE channel Although I must say we also like me Ben Amino and Fernando we work at redhead So we also have a redhead internal ISE channel and sometimes we discuss things there and I think this is a good reminder that we shouldn't do that So we really should limit our private discussions. We should not have many Private discussions if at all but really discuss more things on ISE on free note the mailing list is not much used for discussions because we nowadays use GitLab and Yeah, we use GitLab and we discuss the issues there I mean like a merge request on the other hand large architectural discussions. That's of course Difficult to find a place, right? There the mailing list would still be useful So, yeah, so and I think it's sorry It's a very good reminder very important to use the upstream channels like the mailing list and ISE totally Yes, we are all remote of course We have a meeting some meetings which are internal Where we discuss things, but maybe it would be useful to have a once every time week or two weeks a public meeting where people can join and Bring problems or suggestions. I don't know That's a very good idea. We should first of all we should improve our website, but then we should also have Then we should write about such weekly or two bi-weekly meetings We use currently Google Meet for that Yes, let's do that also. Ah, okay on YouTube. Does this mean they are streamed their life or are they recorded and then Is it is it live there or is it a recording on YouTube? Okay Yeah, I'm Let's see how interesting they these meetings will be right So maybe we could even put them on YouTube But we should at least have them like I don't know office hours, so to say but but It's really not that it I always like this idea that it's a dope source community And it's not just me and Benjamin and Fernando and a few others who developed this and everybody else is the user so When I say office hour, it sounds like The developer team needs with the users. I think this should be more like a community thing So yes, we need to do more community and Such a meet-up weekly or bi-weekly would be we will we will do that Good point Hi guys, this is Gaurav. I just had a quick question So maybe some code walkthrough sessions in the upstream and the public meetings could help engaging with the new Custom and new new developers or the new contributors here That's an interesting idea. I saw once on YouTube a live stream about some gnom project Developing a feature there That was quite interesting. It's a good idea Community actually in safe storage community. We the community has regular efforts I'm just sharing an example where the developers actually go through the entire piece of code They are an entire components code So and maybe if the component is too long, they can they usually break down into two sessions So that would I mean help in engaging with the community These recorded or is it again live stream? These are live streamed and recorded Okay Because from the flow, I think it's quite different whether you do a live stream or whether you have a dream record a We have it you Okay that's a I think the biggest question that most at least for us and For many open source projects is how to attract new developers and contributors and this is Yes It's also unfortunately quite hard to get started with Development of network manager. Yes. Good point Let's think about that more just for that dev conf also been a meaner made a recording about how to use wire That is of course targeted more for users, but Such things We do that much to seldom Like it's also about the shortness. It's nice if it's only 10 minutes or less About one specific topic Eric just said okay, okay the the day That it's like a live session where they meet which is then recorded Like a lot if I understood correctly Yes As you talked about the videos that we did I did one about wire guard configuration and Thomas recorded a video about Nm cloud Set up the tool to configure Networking in cloud environments using network manager, so I think it will we could start adding a new section to the site where maybe we collect all videos That will be interesting I think for users Very good point Yes, all of these must be found via the via our website We must link our blog articles there. We must link our videos there and we must lead link our communication channels or our Weekly meetings if they are public as they would should be Good point Carol is asking a question Something technical very good How can I force search domain settings for a specific connection especially via VPN To send all DNS queries to DNS servers from that connection independently of the received search domain for this connection and in that case I think if And So I Think when this is this question is mostly about how to avoid DNS leaks I guess that you That you only access The DNS via the VPN So the first part of it is that you make sure that you route your traffic via the VPN and that is configured By setting the route metric accordingly, right? So by default already the VPN profile has a route metric of 50 Which is lower than all other Connection types so if you set the default route on the VPN you will everything will be routed Via the VPN, but of course about DNS so The real the proper solution is to set the DNS priority every profile has a DNS priority Setting and if you set that to a negative value it kind of means exclusive So you need to set that That property and that should be enough and you say you also talk about that it does not get that the DNS Servers are not received from automatically. So you can you can manually configure the DNS settings and you can there is a property. It's called Ignore DNS ignore auto DNS or something like that so that you don't get it automatically Although now I'm not sure I had the feeling there was an issue with VPN in this regard Not sure about that that that might be a bug Specific to VPN connectors, but in principle just say not automatic DNS settings and negative DNS priority. I was also I previously I wanted to talk what we are going to do in the next year and One of the things that I think currently are not well implemented is like the VPN plugins Although for many users probably VPN plugins is one of the greatest features of network manager Their implementation is not as great as it should be So for and this is how it's a lot of effort to change and we are pondering about it already for a long time But I think in the next one year. We should make some progress in this in this area There are kind of two problems one problem is that network manager spawns the VPN plugin directly instead it should Start the a separate system deservice for it so that That's VPN plugin would be sandboxed differently The second problem is how they are modeled inside network manager. That is a bit special Yeah Hi, it's already quite late. I think our time will run out very soon. So If you have any any last questions or remarks I hope this made sense. If not, please reach out on IRC