All right, Tom Buster, Scott Holwood, Roger Lang, Renee Davis, Dan Wilpert, Dan Mason, Russ Lowery, Evan Bowden, Chris Hufford, Heather MacIntyre, here, Joe Mulhalski, Holly Belenta, and Council Member Martin will not be able to join us today. Okay, we're going to have three of these months, minutes. Any questions that I could start about last month's minutes? We're going to get through some of them. Second. Second. Okay. All in favor? Say aye. Aye. Sure. The flow of the St. Brain today at Lines was 24 CFS, the 129-year historic average was 23 CFS. The column in the St. Brain is three trips, it's a cousin out of it as a board, which has a priority date of June 1st of 1871. The column is north flight, on the south flight, river goes north stone, and on the channel, the priority date is 1270-2004. Route 5's reservoir, the button off is no longer floating, and it's at an elevation of 63-99-96, which is about 4-10-24, and which is down about 100 acre feet. Union reservoir is at a age of 24-23, or 10 miles from Lines, maybe 8-24 feet, not down 5-24-500, 8-24 feet. And at the end of October, our basin reservoirs were at 75%. Bring them up a little bit in the last month. Any questions? Okay. I hope we can let it be heard, and we'll not spot that. Let me jump into Union Reservoir. Before I do that, I would like to introduce Joe Maalski, he's of our engineering group. And he's doing a lot of our wall-water system engineering, so they're going to give the engineering update for you today. I just wanted to introduce him, and I'm sure he'll be here today. Yes. So we were, Water Resources was asked to do a short presentation on Union Reservoir, and kind of update the board, and so we wanted to kind of give an update on history. I'll start with the history of Union Reservoir. It's here at the end. The Union Reservoir started out as a natural lake. It actually sits in a little bit of a bowl. Some, a lot of y'all in this field was kind of a thermal end of a glacier that pushed up the land to the east side of it. But we do know it was. Sure, it was essentially a buffalo well up for thousands of years. Many buffaloes would come through here. They'd go out into it, hold water, and get them out of there. So it ended up kind of stirring it up and creating it deep in a little bit. But it was originally known as Cockens Lake. Then Cockens was the city's first city engineer. So in 1872 when we founded, Mr. Cockens actually built a house on that east side of this corner of the lake. The house still exists. I don't know about the name Larry French is living in that house right now. That was the original house of Mr. Cockens. He was an engineer for the city engineer. He also did a number of the area ditch and reservoir company work at the same time. He didn't have enough work to fully employ in the long run. We've always thought really, Cockens Lake, that might have been named an otter of him or it might have been named a teasing because it was not a thing. It was an old buffalo wallow with any water that got into it. It drained water so there wasn't any fresh water in it at all. It actually though was used to irrigate a lot of the land around it. Now Cockens Lake is an area that was on that kind of center north side of what is Union Reservoir. Union Reservoir is much larger than Cockens Lake used to be. So that's important because they understand the reservoir versus original lake. But interesting enough, they were actually pumping water out of Cockens Lake leading to irrigate the adjacent farmland but also irrigating some farmland that was on the south side of today's Union Reservoir at east. What we now call the Union Life Rich Company. About a half section there. Such that when in 1902 the Union Dish Company and the Union Dish Company diverged out of a south flat river down by the south. Just a little bit west of the south. They diverged out of the south flat river and irrigated a lot of the land east of U.S. 85, really east of south, south of Green. Union Reservoir Dish was built by members of the Union colony. They called Green. It was a project to get additional farmland for the people who came out to live in the Green area. But its decree was, again, a little bit more junior on the flat river so they had trouble with paid season water. So they came up to the Longmont area and purchased property around Cockens Lake and adjacent farmland around it to form the Union Reservoir Company. Originally all of the water went down to the south flat where water, supplemental water was really used to supplement their ditch. And it was used almost exclusively in August and September. They added up water in the flat to the early summer and finished out their growing season they would deliver water out in August and September. In the 1950s more and more farmers on the flat started growing groundwater wells in the 50s and 60s. So the use of the Union Reservoir water directly into the ditch lowered, got smaller, and eventually the water was sold out to a couple other ditch companies for the downstream, but also in the 60s and 70s it was leased to gas which was ground water appropriated to the south flat. So it was used to augment out of priority depletions of groundwater wells on the flat river. Then in the 1980s a water broker out over assembled a controlling interest in the reservoir and Longmont then acquired that control interest, that 50% interest in 1986. The acquisition by Longmont really, if you go back in our records we actually have been looking at acquiring interest in Union Reservoir since really early 1960s. And it's actually one of the alternatives it was looked at when we were studying options such as storage and building. It's a button rock. A button rock being a fall water dream on flat, higher quality water, eventually it was chosen as the public storage vessel, but even back then Longmont had expressed an interest in acquiring Union Reservoir. So then in 1986 when the water broker had acquired that controlling interest it was really obvious to us, he came to the Longmonts at eight and acquired this controlling interest in a company that was long about one. He said yes, absolutely. We acquired it, initially acquired it by using fund balances but we had to pay those fund balances back. And then in 1987, we had a special election in March in 1987 and asked the board if they would pass a bond made for the funds that we had to acquire the resource. So in 1987 we actually did that. However, in December we closed on Union Reservoir in December 1987 and when we did that we filed for an additional decree to enlarge the reservoir. So one of the first things we wanted to do was not only do we want the existing reservoir but we'll need to enlarge it in the future for additional storage. When we get into kind of how and why we're using Union Reservoir it'll be pretty obvious why we want to enlarge it. We also applied for a conditional decree to operate some exchanges. Are you exchanges from Union Reservoir up to ditches and turnouts above Longmont and again I'll cover that here quickly. And then after we filed those in 1986 and early in 1987 we filed for a formal change decree for the underlying water plan. So there's really three things here we're going to cover in a minute. That is enlargement as a separate filing, exchange decrees as a separate filing and change decrees as a separate filing. So a lot going on with Union Reservoir. Well first we want to talk about the, before we get to the enlargement talk about the existing reservoir. First is the 1986 exchange decree. And that exchange decree basically the concept behind that is we can deliver water out of Union Reservoir and then that would meet delivery obligations that would be cut down downstream out of the river rather than having those come from above us who would deliver them to the river and then we would take the water upstream. Probably more importantly we had, we had approached we hadn't actually entered into agreements and we still haven't yet we had a plan to pump some of the water up to both of them an upper supply ditch in the Highland ditch. The Highland ditch being the biggest ditch in the St. Rain Creek Valley we would exchange water, we would deliver water to them and we would take a like amount of water at Lyons where their delivery points are and we had to take those and go up here in the plants and all out of the story trustee. That was one of the biggest exchanges and you really needed to do that. Originally we were going to put in a pipeline straight north of the Union Reservoir up to those two ditches but after looking it over for a decade or so we realized there was other opportunities to do exchanges so we then developed further, we refined that into what we call that Union Reservoir Pipe Line project and we'll again I'll talk about that in a little bit but that was how we would do those exchange things. Then in 1987 we applied for a change decree and that was a pretty good effort to get that that particular change decree in because it's really called changing underlying degree for Union Reservoir and using it in a lot of different ways. So the first thing, so once we got the change decree then we can use that water for municipal purposes and all the changed uses that we applied for. For us the first one is probably our foremost area when we use Union Reservoir is by delivering water out of Union Reservoir to the St. Graham Creek. When we, all of our entire other water portfolio are historical and other historical water rights that we get we have to go to the water court and change those and by doing that then we end up with a little return flow obligation that we go to the stream. Most of our water is water that was in the Long Moth area Long Moth supply ditch, oligarchy ditch a lot of the issues around Long Moth that their return flow returned basically between golden ponds and the wastewater treatment plant in Long Moth which is this area here. Some of them a little bit even for the eastern map but basically that return to the river was here in the Long Moth area and so we're able to deliver directly out of Union Reservoir to replicate those historic return flows not only in time but in place right at the wastewater plant or right below the wastewater plant. That prevents us from having to use some of our water. There are times when we don't have quite enough water in either Union or our wastewater plant we actually have to deliver water out of butt rock all the way down to the river down here. A, that's very difficult to do but being able to get the water down the stream past every one of the headgates past every stream gauge, stream gauge chum that water is in there so now it is difficult to get the water all the way down to the basin but it's also water that is upstream that we can use and we really don't like doing that being able to deliver it out of Union Reservoir so that's really critical to our overall operation in the city. The second thing we do is we deliver down Second Rank Creek in exchange with downstream water users I think the ward is probably very familiar with the exchange agreement we have with the public service company in Colorado that's the biggest and most useful one we have we can deliver up to 3,500 acre feet in exchange up to 3,500 that's basically public service company in Colorado has CBT water that they primarily use at the same green power plant that they also use at just east of here and it's located right at the top and it's in the same green creek in the south background and public service companies for years originally they used some of it directly but basically what the public service company was doing they didn't want to pull direct flow of water off either of the same that they did with the plant so they would pump alluvial groundwater levels along the platter in the same green right around the plant and the higher quality water at least less than it's always higher quality water that they could put in their plant for generation of power but then they have to augment that out priority depletions with CBT water well that worked great for years but then northern Colorado does not allow the use of CBT water on plantation water so if the escrow is sitting down there with a lot of CBT water it couldn't use it and we're sitting up here with a lot of water by going through the change case it's fully consumable and we delivered the whole to public service with our organization plan so we entered into a 75 year agreement to exchange our water CBT we exchange a lot that we also exchange water from the wastewater treatment plant that's the first thing we do whatever fully consumable water we have from the wastewater plant we use that water first and then we supplement even reasonable water because of that large exchange we've done here that exchange is so it's great for both of us and then we get CBT water that's ready to go in our water treatment plant so they're using water primarily for the plant primarily for the plant, coon water for that single plant that one single plant now they also use it the honey plant at brush and so one of the reasons that's good for us and them is that they usually how they get it how they use it at brush they deliver down the soundplack or it's an increase in the soundplack to Jackson Reservoir they have an agreement so Jackson Reservoir is the primary irrigation source they take all their water out in July and August 30th, September they got a bit more and they're a little bit more junior on the river so a lot of times they don't get a fill they go mid to late winter so they have about a six month period where they have an empty reservoir out there and they're spaced so what public service company Colorado does we give them a slug of water sometimes 70 CFS then out of Union Reservoir the ad goes down and they pull it into Jackson Reservoir and we usually do that September or October I think it's already been done this year and then they store it in Jackson and they deliver it out of Jackson Reservoir all winter long that gives them a little winter water they need to augment there again they run water wells on the soundplack and on the brush they augment slimmer completions and then in summer they have changed direct flow irrigation water rights but those irrigation water rights only yield in the summer so this gives them water so it's really both plants but it's primarily in the same way CVT is not used for augmentation because it's not usable water so it's a policy of the Florida and Colorado Water Conservancy District they don't allow it to be used so when the CVT system was first developed the Northern and Colorado Water Conservancy District had to go out and get basically both in the district whether or not there would be a district whether or not there would be a CVT project the district goes throughout the Julesburg to the Nebraska State line so it was a little more difficult with some of the Julesburg why should I pay for this and what kind of the promise was that well not only it doesn't use the CVT occur up here but the return flow will accrue to the river and benefit everybody so when the CVT system was developed, voted on and everybody had a lot of contracts so when we signed a lot of contracts for the CVT system we basically get the first use of that CVT water we can use it as much as we want there's no requirement but once we've used it once we have to return that to stream now agriculture will use some of it instead of seeping into the ground it's going to run out the end of your field you can't recover that it does come back to the stream but for municipal uses it goes through, well some of it goes in on irrigated lawns and then you have lawn irrigation return flow we if it's our water rides if it's a little water ride we can claim we can claim we can claim the lawn irrigation return flow CVT we can't for that portion that goes to our water treatment plant we have to color basically color our water as it goes into the water treatment plant runs through the system and when it hits the wastewater treatment plant that portion of the CVT water it returns to the stream we can't use it, we can't reuse it we can't claim something that's fully consumable a good example is the windy gap water it's fully consumable we then own that return flow and can get credit in the stream for that return flow that's why the district then they said the district made a policy that we can't use CVT water for augmentation because augmentation is 100% consumed consumed when they made that policy for about 4 or 5 years and kind of add a ramp down onto it and actually allow it to be used if you doubled your water so if you needed an acre foot of augmentation water you had to do over 2 acre foot of the CVT water but again that was a little less than efficient for the CVT system and that would have also quite involved with the CVT water and the district didn't want to see that happening so yeah that's why you can't can't reuse the CVT water you can't reuse water so Jackson that's the state part it is so having a full reservoir is probably good for a few reasons I mean just an aesthetic thing but also a lot like if you're a duck hunter you love it it puts water in the reservoir so there's another benefit yeah because more than anything else it helps to make sure it's there because when the lake gets too long it's not it's not real deep in the end they have that officially on that reservoir down there so anyway that's kind of our second biggest use of union reservoirs to deliver to downstream use and we have a few we've had some others some of the ditches downstream an example would be lower length of ditch which is really they own a bunch of CVT water and they used to make that CVT water it actually took it down to Wisconsin it was a little easier to get down to Wisconsin River and that hits the right on top of the Redby but they used to exchange with us because the loss that they occurred running the water all the way down to Wisconsin all the way down to Wisconsin in the headgear it's much higher than if we delivered out a union reservoir and got it down to an easier result they would take union reservoir water and then we would get their CVT water again both the video so there are some smaller exchanges like that so then finally next maintenance of adequate storage reserves and I think about union reservoir again it's pretty big it allows us to carry over water from one year to the next and that's especially important during drier years when we're almost always able to get new reservoir in priority it's not really the reason we built but some of our other storage storage right so I'm in in real time here we can then carry over we use about I'm going to say probably 3,000 to 4,000 probably 4 or 4,000 sometimes 5,000 they could be out in unions 12,800 after each storage it's actually 30,000 that's around 30,000 that gives us plenty of water that gives water to be used during drought periods that's very important that's just for non-municipal uses for all the things discussed because there's currently no way to get water from a union back into our municipal system but not directly that's what the exchanges do share and we'll talk and that's kind of our future plan even more of that you said that one time and I think the future plan of course consists a little bit of this and at one time you said that there wasn't a plan but to have water be able to move back up behind the ditch or something but that was just a small portion all of it had when we get to the right now it's just all of these other uses and ways we use you need reservoir is how we use it and do we have unlimited exchanges or I mean there's no minimum it would be limited by the water we have in the union reservoir but in terms of the state engineer's office we can do as much as we want as long as we're returning whatever we take out upstream we put back in the concept that's the correct concept it really a little bit depends on whether or not what agreements we can get between users and how much their demand is one of the things we're finding in our basin you don't want to go too far away from union reservoir one of the things we're finding in our basin is we've got a little bit more water on the bottom end of it that is becoming harder to exchange on one good example is the lake backnash used to be owned by the Highland itch company and they used it as an exchange rather than one they put the water in the oligarchy itch the water would have gone in the oligarchy itch and the Highland itch but they also have foothills around the board which is even larger between foothills and backnash they have more water to exchange well and then of course the oligarchy itch we kept building houses up in the oligarchy itch less and less used some oligarchy itch in itch and it got to a point where there wasn't enough use there wasn't enough use of oligarchy itch to exchange all that water from the Highland itch turn lake backnash into a private company allow it's shares to be held by the Highland itch company orders and then they sold that water so there's currently a lot of exchange because they just couldn't exchange it and yeah it's even the whole secondary exchange so yeah it's really not so much the states you know saying how much you can exchange it what's out there that has the availability of exchange you really got to get into the Highland itch because there's no water in itch because you don't have that capacity there so eventually another important area long-range planning for Union Resort is to maximize utilization of our change to our itch water rights we basically split the same green creek into what we call upper ditches and lower ditches all the ditches above north 75th above hygiene are what we call the upper ditches and all the ditches below hygiene the reason for that is that during the spring there's enough water and all the ditches get water coming out of the snow but later in the season and every ditch is different but just kind of go along around the 4th of July there's not enough water coming out of the mountains to meet all the ditches calls so the ditches on the lower end of the ditch are benefiting from return flow from the ditches on the upstream upper end of the same green creek so they basically start functioning as a return flow ditch so when we change when we get those water rights so you might remember most of the ditches in the Longmont area up to hygiene are the more senior ditches because just south of the area we built the ditches senior ditches are right here in Longmont and they built the ditches towards hygiene and the more junior ditches are upstream they're taking the virgin water what we call virgin flow water and so in summer if we own for those ditches we own above hygiene we're able to change those in Waterport and use those all summer long for the ditches that are downstream we can't use them we can use them in their virgin flow then we have to use them down here and of course in the end we use them for return flow obligations that's one of the ways we use them we deliver them to some of the lower ditches and we use them for irrigation of arts and greenways that's another way we can use them but one of the things we want to we can also do that in the reservoir sitting out there but this down we can store those lower ditches in Union reservoir and we do do that some for one reason is we're storing fully consumable water that change lower ditches is consumable and it maximizes our utilization of the reservoir when we use Union water half of it is a return flow obligation and happens fully consumable really a 50% of the actual stored water in Union if it's a Union degree whereas if it's a lower ditch degree we got 100% of the water that increases our fully consumable portion of Union reservoir and we don't have the minimum obligations that we have to deliver anyway utilizing that for those lower ditches currently is consumable and in the future as our demand increases we need more water utilizing that for those lower ditches is very very valuable to us then the next one is and this is in our change cases is direct use first use upstream storage of Union reservoir storage this is one actually talk about it is like the but people don't always see it current for a hundred years Union reservoir filled off oligarchy ditch oligarchy ditch diverges just south and a tiny bit less of McCulloch so it's diverting upper ditch water it's diverting that water down it diverts into oligarchy ditch through cow that fills Union reservoir you know good way has always been a great way to fill Union reservoir another way you can think of that is another way to fill it and you kind of think of it as the same as running it down the irrigation ditch is that we can divert it out of our water treatment plant run it in pipes run those pipes through cow and then we can use it in our homes and businesses we use that water as a first use and we treated it with wastewater treatment plant and if I exchange down here at Ditton's Park we take that we actually drop it into the same range of water right above where we put it in a like amount of water but that water that would otherwise have filled Union reservoir in the ditch now basically fills Union reservoir by one through the pipes and we can be able to be used by the citizens of Longmont and then it's pumped up into the oligarchy ditch where we're going to Union reservoir so same thing happens in Union reservoir it gets filled but Longmont uses it first and that's a dual use of that same water so that's really an important aspect to hold Union reservoir to credit and then finally there's a invasive exchange opportunities and increased delivery capacity all the exchange opportunities that are now and in the future will be available with Union reservoir are there one of the nice things is Union reservoir has an outlet capacity of 95 CFS other than Blutton Rock most everything we have is 5, 10, 15, 20 CFS capacity so in the case of public service company Colorado we wouldn't be able to do some of the changes we do with them when they call it the AME 70 CFS but Union reservoir because of its delivery capacity we're able to do that most all of all of everything we do and deliver out of Union reservoir we do it for a little bit of water in July and August returnable obligations and a little bit of water and some water is the half of the stories returnable but basically we deliver most of our water out of Union reservoir and later on we'll talk about recreation out there about that it's a recreation really kind of a shift we talked about earlier when it was farmers using it the Union dish the whole water came out in July and August but in August it wasn't the greatest place they're fishing there wasn't much water in there so that's really how we use Union reservoir I probably over the years have been asked more often than any other facility I have we have why do you have a reservoir in East Atlanta you can't use it you can't get the water anywhere why do you have that Union reservoir Union reservoir is one of our workplaces we understand how all this stuff works it really comes into fruition that's why we want to do that does that capacity always present as soon as the dam was built or did there be some substantial work to expand that that is to do with it we have the original out of Union reservoir don't ask me about that companies that have to spend a little bit of money on these days but it's amazing, yeah then I wanted to talk a little bit about the expansion of Union reservoir so as in 1986 we acquired the original interest of the company we filed for a large degree that's the case number the current degree capacity the reservoir is 13,319 acre feet the enlargement capacity at its largest capacity the increased capacity is 19,800 acre feet or total reservoir potential capacity of 32,000 acre feet that's huge when you think about it that's almost 2,000 so that's really useful and really it would give us make all of these operations we need to do all of these operations out of that long time in 2007 we did an enlargement feasibility study we looked at it we looked at really a number of different enlargement opportunities probably around 13 foot would be the the lowest reasonable raise just because it costs you so much money to get out and do something you know, to build a reservoir so if you did much less than a 13 foot raise would be the unit cost would be equal to 5 obviously in capacity the unit cost goes down the total cost is the the unit cost goes down but Longmont has always looked a little bit this will be interesting this is well-counting in the future but Longmont's always looked at the possibility of having a partner in enlarging unit reservoir we actually had talked with a public service company all around for probably a couple of decades they were interested in being a partner they didn't really think long about a public service company going around then they converted the same grid from a gas fire plant and with other plant options they're not really looking for more capacity they really, their water supply in addition to a number of ditches in other words in other units big water supplies that are CBT they own 10,000 units of CBT which is incredible holding it's pretty incredible holding of CBT water well the enlargement capacity that's a proposal I mean that's if you were going to enlarge enlarge it that's kind of the capacity would be looking at the enlargement to that extent probably not for Longmont's purposes but for the would they partner against that would be the maximum maximum of units we can go anywhere from about 5,000 to 30,000 but you want to you want to file in 1986 for the largest expansion possibility so a lot of rights are in 1986 which don't sound very good it sounds very junior but honestly they're in front of an incredible amount of augmentation and place of water that probably remains down and also very arts of the year it's a better decree than as far as the enlargement was what's our thought about actually going ahead with an enlargement it's kind of an as needed thing it'll depend on Longmont's growth and future water demands and everything that we've looked at on our future water supply we originally we actually were ready to start looking at tidying and constructing a project we were actually starting to just starting to look at that when we got the project started initiating its exploration we actually we talked quite a length of water about this in the late 1990s we struggled with well, we liked the idea that we needed a reservoir that owned by us totally in our control but on the other hand when we got the project all our water directly water line on exchange so and then when you got the project was a joint project water so really it wasn't that its schedule wasn't in our control as a joint project it was everybody's we had to look at it on the schedule so so basically we ended up flipping when you have firming as a project we're going to get that next and that's going to take us 20, 30 years in the future and so then that's when after that that's when the reservoir will be like that it's not something that we're going to it's our size of what we get on before we get firming we're in it at following wise we're at 7,500 acre feet that gives us about we're at 7,500 we're up top in the air at 2500 feet firm the actual size of our is 75 we'd love to have more but everything costs money you know so yeah so that's we had just to give a perspective here like what's the footprint of a union that is 32,500 so that's that's a 21 foot vertical raise and I'm just thinking about the biography out there does that take it on the county line road or is that like in we wouldn't have a dam south side and the west side so really there's no more footprint there on the east side it would go up 19 foot but the east side pretty steep slope over there so you know a couple hundred feet of additional capacity on the north side it's really pretty far north the north side of the union is pretty shallow and very gently slope so it would be more now depending on the raise side we actually would have to have a pipe close condo from the reservoir going towards county line road because the grade in the high foot by the dam is higher than the ground west of the dam so we'd have to have a pipe then whatever the raise I did not think it would have been east so we actually would go of course if county line road may be south we would grade it at this size probably we don't worry about five or six feet and then we had to start on the other side basically the site would be west in fact the very highest raise sites we would not use the current location would come down to county road 26 pick up all of our condition on the railroad tracks the western railroad tracks just to give you a little sense of interest I think I talked about some of the uses of that again it would provide us additional water then the final, the third county line of this whole thing is the union reservoir pump back pipeline and I'll jump up here to look at it a little bit the proposal would be to put in a pump station in union reservoir now this project to be real honest I would most likely in the future when we look at this you're going to do the pump back pipeline before you do the union reservoir enlargement because the pump back pipeline gives us additional water supply that gives us immediate use of the water when we have a union reservoir we will not rely on other types of exchanges so it can be utilized very quickly also if you build it now we build the pump station back away from the reservoir so that when the reservoir is enlarged all the facilities are going to continue to work but the idea is to come in here put in a pump station and it's currently city property then the water would come up here and there's four separate portions to this project it's envisioned that we wouldn't build all of them at once I may not build all of them ever we don't know the first leg of the pump station would basically come from union reservoir up to the youth creek gulf course really the rough and ready ditch that we're trying to get to by doing that we're able to get three schools there's cities Steven Day Park and then there's the youth creek gulf course right now all of this area under the rough and ready ditch there's a lot of raw water which is really good from a water conservation standpoint but all the water comes out of the Pleasant Valley Reservoir Pleasant Valley Reservoir is there's a couple real small reservoirs but basically Pleasant Valley Reservoir the most senior ditch and it has the senior call on the St. Rain Creek starting on November 1st and usually sometimes running clear into January but in the winter when we're having to use storage water to walk out of CBT we're calling water out of here Longmont could use that water in its water treatment plant and then by exchange later on deliver water in the first phase of the pump act pipeline to the rough and ready ditch and then rather than delivering it out of Pleasant Valley Reservoir you would deliver it out of Union Reservoir and in addition to the Fox Hill Country Club so you've got two golf courses numerous city parks there are four schools got a lot of use on the lower end of the rough and ready ditch and we could utilize Union Reservoir water to do that here's my big plug on the whole pump act pipeline so one of the advantages and I probably should have mentioned this Union Reservoir is that when we have X we don't have any access flows out of the water treatment plant we currently utilize 95 sometimes 100% of the solely consumable MF1 out of our wastewater treatment plant there's not many there's not many entities anywhere we can talk about reusing their treated wastewater MF1 to not extend I mean I don't know of any but a lot of places try to build a reclamation plant and pipe it back into the treated water distribution system I personally like our our option better where we utilize it by exchange but that's getting that wastewater M1 into Union Reservoir with the pump act pipeline we even go one step beyond that not only can we continue to improve the efficiency of reusing those reusable supplies but we do look by putting it directly on the city facility and you know from water rights perspective maybe that isn't much difference from you know public policy standpoint it's nice that we're we're using the water and then we're treating it and then we're reusing it on the city facility and so I think that's really great and that's something that we can do so that's phase one that's deliver water to this area and phase two is to come down Highway 66 to just west of Lake McIntosh that's really the biggest vein the biggest part of the pump act pipeline because it does a couple things one is we then would be able to drop water into the oligarchy ditch at that point we go out of the oligarchy ditch and we got all tons of city parts on the oligarchy ditch that we can do again direct reuse of our place fire up and other water union reservoir we can put it in a McIntosh lake deliver it out of there to our plants and then also you can jump up here to the rough and ready ditch and that one didn't let you put water in Pleasant Valley reservoir and again take water out of that ditch and then also the highland ditch so right here uniquely right here at the lake McIntosh you got access to oligarchy ditch supply ditch rough and ready ditch and the highland ditch those four ditches hold them up for the water and it's ain't great so I mean you really are benefiting you're really increasing your ability to exchange water at that point that's extremely critical so that space through the project really opens up what we can exchange to that third leg of it would be to bring it on out here to Birch Lake, oligarchy reservoir number one and the advantage of that is current water treatment plant there probably won't ever turn that one on again we don't know, we might put some filters in there who knows that decree we could take into the water treatment plant because it's coming out of the same green creek by lions above our turnouts, at our turnouts we could take that, and then we could fill Birch Lake Union reservoir so take that lake amount of water that's over a thousand acres right there and then we don't have current plants but then there's a pump station and the water treatment plant we could put it in a new pump station and pump it out to our water treatment plant so we can actually physically run it up to our treatment plant we're not planning on that right now but having this facility and having this planning lets you do something the neat thing about that would be you'd run the water up here you'd treat it you'd run it through your system you'd come back up to the plant and you'd just start running it around in circles until you've fully consumed that water summer, we only have about 35% of the water that would be reusable partially because of how much is used on water irrigation but in the winter we have in the 90 to 95% return flow so if you only use 5% of the water, you can run it around that circle a lot of times not that we're not going to be planning on that but we certainly keep that as a backup opportunity who knows what's going to happen in our water in the future and so this whole pump back pipeline scheme provides us with future opportunities to use I honestly believe that when you start down here you can get as you go up you get more and more exchange opportunities before they build the pipeline I think there's going to be plenty of exchange opportunities that will lower that will be able to consume any water that we've put right up there what's the forward of the timing how it's coming on how does that impact this need how does it tend to diminish this well it diminishes it for now for the next 23 years and hopefully it will provide that water for a long time it's possible to build that in the city we don't know we do know that it's all fully consumable water out of Chimney Hollow so having that fully consumable water allows you to do this scheme versus having CBD which is great, I love CBD but it's not fully consumable so you can't use it in all these all these plants so how much of this we need to build in the future we don't know we absolutely want to keep everything all the plants on the dry board and all of our water court applications conditionals going because you lose them and you lose them you lose that priority this is again we're looking towards the future we don't oh I will tell you this part of the pipeline is already in the ground for about 15 years there was a development that was going in there that we had to get it in the ground before the development was built and we're currently using it we pump out of spring gulfs number 2 which is the gulf goes through the gulf course we have water rights on spring gulf so we pump those water rights into that pipeline and it delivers currently Steven Day Park and the all river elementary school so these two green spots here are currently being irrigated out of this pump back pipeline so that's lowers the treated water demand quite a bit so that's the pump back pipeline to make sure they got covered oh one thing we have conversations with the state grain and water conservancy district they're they're doing some planning for the overall benefit of the entire basin and we've got talks with them about the pump back pipeline they're trying to give some money through some federal programs some money out there that will go with NRCS and they might have some money to build some this will allow the district to participate with a similar to the idea of participating in the large but if they're participating in the pump back pipeline it will allow them to have additional water supplies really for anybody in the basin in the central watershed which they wouldn't use our water rights because a lot of the water downstream could benefit from and develop water supplies so opportunities for others what I would backing up our existing water exchange agreements one concerned water board and we share that concern expressed to us when we were looking at the winding up permeate project was we're basing all of our planning on everything we have our entire water portfolio one item in our water portfolio that we you always like to have full control of your water you want to control it one item we don't have public service companies changing that is a 75 year agreement that was started in 2003 years old so it's no longer so many it's a 50 year agreement and there's a 15 year problem either party can opt out of the agreement with a 15 year notice to be a part of I personally share some of the water board's concern in the past about well that's a 15 year guarantee but we have that water supply for sure for 15 years part of the concern is she asks all our companies are looking at going more green more renewables you don't need water to put up the solar panel and you don't need water to put up a winter well run probably the same green power plant is going to remain because it's natural gas and the natural gas plants are needed as a backup for all of the power schemes but hope storage could back that up too we just don't know for sure those power plants who may not want to put up a 20 plant brush and the same green power plant east of us and then what do they do to keep their CBP water out $100,000 a unit and 10,000 units you can do that now it's a lot of money somebody back you know somebody somebody back in Minnesota is going to crunch numbers and say what's this asset worth and so you know that was what that was the board name sketch very comfortable that we have a greater unit the ESCO is a great partner but a lot of long term absolute guarantee that that will stay so hope back pipeline project is our ability to quickly I say quickly construction joke a bit joke a bit wow really nothing but I don't know quickly be able to build down under our control and start those exchanges and basically take the $3,500 acre feed deliver up to $3,000 and then use it in a pipeline and exchange get that water how much of that $3,500 acre feed and what's the volume of $3,000 exchanges you know I'd have to look that probably probably on the range about $1,000 acre feed or so we have a master plan but we certainly deliver it all as we go to the second phase and I think even the second phase there's a lot of information huh it was a short present it's like so based on what I heard you say I believe you're saying probably the pump back would be a higher priority to you and the enlargement of you I would see it would do that and just out of curiosity if that's one and two where would be maybe the expansion of a pipeline in that order only because I mean if cost didn't matter at all it would be an enlargement of in a second because that's above us it's higher quality water but it's cost is just so high do you want to say so high do you currently have a decree for that expansion we have a similar decree a 32,000 acre foot decree so it's 1967 it's the same as the existing reservoir we filed for the plus the margin so again that's pretty senior it's senior to really anything else in the basin in terms of new projects in the basin it's senior to all the plans on that it's senior to a cough and cough decree cough and cough is at least 72 it's junior to the narrows well, the narrows really well it lets you guys think about that one too and then finally it's the recreational aspects you know when it was a private company it was a private lease water sports less was the last one to own it long month when we acquired controlling interest we let them know this is going to be a limited time they continued to lease it privately for about 6 or 7 years but in the early 1990s long month took over the recreation lease for the reservoir there are numerous recreational improvements the city has done some of them paid for by grants from the state no cold colorado and they're in it's literally one of the favorite I think favorite recreation areas in the long month area the citizens really like it and in fact so much so when the city went out about a year or so ago to talk about some of the valid issues we were looking at one of the highlights of that that whole study was hey we want to do we want to see more of a recreation opportunity that was included on the ballot because that trail is already going forward in fact one of the projects right now is being looked at is a permanent trail around the union reservoir permanent trail well everybody who's ever been up around my bank people love the trail around my bank it's a lot of going along around the union reservoir too and that's kind of starting with the design phase that I started that's a good thing there are other plans for recreation except for union reservoir so most of the people in the long month I'm not sure they think of union as a water supplier they think it's a great place to take a paddleboard paddleboards are crazy big sailing everything we do out of this for you anyway that's kind of a short run right now it's a very union reservoir and I just can't say enough about the value of union reservoir and all about the system hopefully that hopefully that the current master plan for expansion of union reservoir is in 716 or is it still very much a variable right 616 the elevation raise well our larger plan just basically said what the different race size you did pick what I'll tell you honestly that study did tell us that 19 foot raise is sort of the highest range of race we can do reasonably 21 foot raise is feasible technically feasible but the cost from 19 foot to 21 foot was because of being able to get water into it and how much on the door side it just impacted a lot more stuff probably from an economic standpoint somewhere between 13 foot and 19 foot that's the sweet spot and that would again depend on a partner you got a partner okay looks a lot bro very informative thank you okay how about any agenda revisions I don't sorry I have none oh I thought you said I have one alright in development activity there's really nothing going on there that's right so no jim no jim yeah so for the record I'd like to show that my items will right through really get asked well done really got it nice job so go to holland okay so my name is Joe Mulhalski I'm an engineering and operations administrator with the city I've been to work on capital projects at the wastewater treatment plant over the past 15 years kind of a new role that I'm stepping into so we just wanted to holly and I wanted to kind of introduce ourselves to you guys and go over just a couple of quick projects that are under construction in the city right now so those two projects will be price park and then some norsing grain pipeline rehabilitation near the old north and south water treatment plants so price park tank so again just really quickly going through some of the past work that's been done so the project was started in September of last year I don't know if anyone can hear gulfs but the parking lot was pulled up pretty good during winter season last year but the weather was pretty nice so there was lots of gulfers and we were all driving through there but the contractors really have been doing their job interfacing with the pool customers and the gulf so access was maintained throughout that period there was an existing 2 million gallon and 7 million gallon reservoirs that were on the site for the most part the 7 million gallon reservoir was the one that was still in use for these two pictures show those two reservoirs on the left it's the 7 million gallon and on the right it's the 2 million gallon so those were demoed right away so moving along into April of this year after they had excavated the site they kind of poured so this was a Monday 4 there were about 40 concrete trucks that came through the site so it was a busy day and they actually poured it in about 7 hours took them another couple of years they were finishing as they went along it was a long day for a concrete pour for the guys and everything so it went really well you remind me so they were replacing the 2 million and 7 million with an 8 million gallon that's what they're for and this is just some of the rebar you can see the amount of rebar that goes into that tanks lab there's no columns it's a pre-stressed concrete tank so the dome is actually supported by the walls we'll see some of that in the next few slides here so here you can see on the left they are lifting they actually it's like a puzzle and they pour these pieces on site so they have different casting beds they call them so it's around the entire tank site they had stations basically where they would pour these panels they're just slices for the walls there and it's the same for the dome you just can't see it as well and they would pour those ahead of time, cure up over a 28 day time frame they come up to strength then you can see the big crane in the background that crane would lift them into place yeah so it's quite an operation they poured that slab in May and just this weed they were actually doing a tank fill test they actually filled the tank this past week with water to make sure they would hold the water you know, you've got a curiosity when you demo those existing tanks how did we adapt were we having water storage or how did we ride without that so we have different pressure regulating valves throughout the system and we are able to transfer, we have three different pressure zones in the system so we're able to transfer water from one zone to another you know, it's not the ideal way to operate during this time period for fire flows and just that storage capacity but we've been able to get through this year and a half construction period just using the existing infrastructure and the distribution system so it'll be nice to get this done because this really is the heart of the distribution system the original reservoir where we don't build turn of the century in the 1900's and a lot of it we have piping the three zones all come together in this area so as part of this construction too what you're not seeing is the pump station so that pump station is going to be less greater flexibility on how we operate the distribution system of the whole once water flowed by gravity from Nelson Flanders and Montgomery Tank down to this location we really didn't have the ability to go to the other zones under the old configuration with this pump station we're going to be able to go from zone 1 to zone 2 and 3 give us better redundancy than the distribution system just give us better flexibility for operations and we want to move water around to what's that hold for from the side of the tank so that one you're seeing there is the overflow the tank overflow so there's still piping that needs to attach on to that and it'll go to a manhole where if there's an overflow event for some reason hopefully that never happens we designed that in that it would overflow and drink like your house it goes to a dish dish to the side but that's why I'm here too just so you have a face to the name when you're on top but that should so we actually filled this tank fill test up to that overflow elevation and then on the right that picture that you see there you see that front end loader and a contraption behind him along the kind of a wood 2 by 4 structure there where they're actually winding the tank so they went around this tank thousands of times with wire that's right 8 of an inch in diameter and pre-stressing it so it's just wrapping a wood barrel so that you don't have to use a stick of concrete and just gives it a structural integrity and you can see up at the top there like I was saying before the dome panels again all that weight is distributed to those walls as far as not having to have any columns on the interior so it was pretty neat I actually got to go into the tank two weeks ago for the first time to make sure that the contractor was really ready for the tank fill test and everything and it's unbelievable so Joe does that fill overflow only like let's say above the bill does that mean that this tank can only be filled by half weight again? no so on the inside we're not seeing there's a concrete box that they built up to a higher elevation it's only a few feet probably a couple feet full sure where the dome joins and so that was the tank project it slated for completion in April we still have to test out the pump station there's still quite a bit of electrical obviously the landscaping work all that needs to be done some of the tank finishes are starting to go on we started to coat the exterior put some brick pilastries up there on the exterior also the work remaining is still electrical so it's a 21 million dollar project it's been on schedule and on budget so it's a pretty good project past engineers here did a really good job planning John Robb was the main senior civil engineer I definitely got to give kudos to him then Jack Sherman obviously the current engineer here kind of was the project manager towards the beginning you know two changes in everything I've taken it over since January this year but a lot of good people work on that project the contractor Garni so Garni is the contractor they're we did get a good contractor also so we did they're a good pipeline contractor and you do a lot in water and loose water also this is the first time I've been working with them and I they're all sort of good things and yes they're doing a good job it was difficult beginning of those first few months when I wasn't involved it was really a difficult part of the project tying into existing water lines and shutdowns and like you were moving to just all the operational changes that we had to make just to make sure that the existing system stayed operational there's a lot of coordination so with that I'm going to turn it over to Holly so Holly is a new engineer in the water and waste department she was with development review prior to that she's handling a lot of the raw water projects for us now so she'll explain other projects we'll go from pre-dewed water to raw water this project the North St. Crane Pipeline project is I thought you might want to know where it is we have 36 and 66 so between our water treatment plant and in the town of Lyons we're going to be lining approximately about 1600 feet of 20 Augustine 24 inch main and it's going to go within the area kind of adjacent to the Highway 66 within the area that you're seeing there we go so now you can see kind of where it's located are beginning middle and end fit that middle fit is actually really adjacent to that intersection of 36 and 66 whenever infrastructure is starting to age you might have some repairs on it but then whenever you get to the point where you have so many repairs then you're either looking at potentially replacing or rehabilitating it because there is so much in this area and I'll go back to the previous one you can see perhaps here better than the plan you can see there's a couple pitches we've got the creek we've got some buildings the adjacent Highway 66 and 36 and this water vein actually goes across and we've got floodplains we've got potential environmental issues we've got trees there's just a lot of things on the surface that could be potential conflicts so whenever you're going from repair to potentially replacing or rehabilitating in terms of putting a pipe in the ground there's just a lot of potential conflicts and so that's how we're doing the rehabilitation that type of approach and this location this is a multi-page project this year we've actually gone through an inspection process and the next year we're going to do the construction phase as you can see it goes from left to right on this putting some pictures we did an excavation of that middle whenever the previous slide it showed beginning, middle and ending this is actually the location we had a window in the top of the pipe and we put like a little remote control camera in the after the water in the pipe we set the camera upstream and downstream from that middle location and what we were looking for was just to make sure that we want to do this rehabilitation we want to do this flier we want to make sure that the pipe is appropriate for this learning application so we were looking for like cracking we were looking for potential anomalies within the pipe to make sure that we could line it and we found things such as the one on the very tight side which was a nice gesture, we had a hole in the pipe because it was dewatered at that time and that's what the groundwater was coming in but whenever we have a pressurized pipe what that means is that we're losing our water and so that water that Kim was just talking about we want to be able to use it and use it again we want to make sure that we keep it within the pipe line and that's kind of the purpose of of this project we completed the investigation the construction is going to be next year but that construction is going to be it's kind of like a sock it's this flexible sock it's a flexible material and what you do is you push that sock with that flexible material into the pipe line and then you expand it put a little pressure in that sock you expand it to the diameter of the pipe once it's expanded to the existing pipe then what we would do where the contractor runs you can light through it and so it goes from flexible to a hardened pure in place pipe and so that then we have a pure in place pipe within ours, within our existing pipe and then we're ready to put it back into service at that point in time and hopefully we won't have those things that we have on the mic so that's the goal I'm working with the contractor now to get a final schedule together but this is scheduled for next year well how long are you talking about what are you doing this through? so we have um it's at the end as well as the middle and they are able to line that sock the entire point between pits so basically we will have a line in that is basically from one pit to another pit so that's about eight hundred feet in between the pit and we use this technology quite a bit now so as the liner what did you make for it structurally is it structural or is it just a steel yeah I've asked the contractor is evidently it's a structural pipe cool so like I said we use this quite a bit in our collection system the same periods of the system so we're using a few other applications on the raw water side but yeah it definitely gives us a solution it's difficult just to dig a workplace type of airings I think there's a lot of that plumbing line repair tools they don't dig anymore so so again we just kind of wanted to introduce ourselves we're kind of new in our roles we'll probably be coming back from time to time and talk about some other projects that we're going to focus on for this time because I'm taking too much of the time so we'll go back to the tank what's the completion date for that right now it's April of 24 so spring is what we're looking at there might be some landscaping and stuff that have to be done after that but we're hoping to have the pump station commissioned by then what's the status of distorting distorting oh the allurean? so I don't know too much other than we're not touching it with this project it's iconic I think for the most part it's being used for telecommunications I don't know red maker I don't know what to do with that we've got a list I don't know I don't know how good his promise was I don't know there's a lot of people that think that's kind of a landmark for a long time it helps you find your way home with you the whole time well it's not very noisy no any other questions we're going to keep this posted yes thank you very much okay when we ask can I get you to talk a little bit about the firming project yeah hopefully it'll be a little bit of a short presentation just two things I wanted to talk about the firming project just wanted to and give you a quick update on the project itself and we're up about half the height on the dam so the project's about halfway done so that's really good it's tall enough now if you've ever gone up past Carter Lake to the county road it goes up to Platt Iron Reservoir past Platt Iron Reservoir up to Pinewood Reservoir Platt Iron Reservoir you can pull off on the side of the road there and actually see the dam now you can see how tall it is it's pretty suppressive even though you're a little bit away from it and of course this is the photographs on the website they take a photograph every Monday and post it there and then you can go back and have a lot of fun watching these photographs and you can watch the Reservoir come up this is July 24th so it's a couple three months ago you can just see the start of the dam here but one thing I've found you can see this rock outcropping here and this rock outcropping here one way I've been able to watch the raised height of the dam is by looking at those two rock outcroppings I'm going to just fast forward up to today you might keep an eye on those rock outcroppings as the project went on this is August 21st and you can see even one on the downstream side the north side of the dam there's not much left of it by August 21st just a tiny nub and nub on September 5th and you can see the other one so now it's gone and you can still see the one on the upstream side downstream side and on October 10th you can start to disappear October 23rd you can culture part is gone and then November 13th which was last week you can just barely see a little tiny bit right here so you can imagine how much the vertical raised and now when you look at it you can really see the dam on both sides of it yeah it's so that part is going really well probably the one other thing on the project I wanted to really talk about is the Colorado River connectivity project that was planned the reservoir used to excuse me the reservoir used to come down to here the dam was relocated to here and the connectivity channel is being put in there and that project went very well this summer I love this picture because you really can see you can see where the dam was relocated from here to here and you can see the connectivity channel coming through there really I just thought that was a really good idea that's what we're looking for and yeah and this is actually a close up of the channel so actually it's a pretty good size and you can see the rip out this is a picture of a couple weeks ago we started running water through the connectivity channel so there's still work to be done out there but this is substantially complete so where they were running water and this is I believe a really great part of the overall when you got from the project made this possible it's great for the water user community because we can show them how we can both have water the original water but also protect the environment so that's this last month's biggest I think biggest point is that that water started running through the power of the connectivity channel so it's unlike the people out there that actually can be sure to have a little bit of some of that it's a little bit more serious actually but pretty happy with how the hell it turned out yeah they're very happy on the vessel this was a real point of convention for 40 years or so now it's down and ready and what I think about it is the other half of this whole creek I believe is going to be open to the public so there will be a little wine in this creek anyway, that's really a good start but you know I feel some good things they are working long for a lot of hours they almost sound like 7 days a week 20 hours a day 2 shifts a day okay any questions? alright so just real brief protection loo we're continuing to have conversations in-house with the other departments and divisions of the city with the city managers office and such and trying to continue to work through the process of notifying impacted individuals protection loo so we're still working through that process we thought that PRPA the northern board in November a couple of their sales for their when you got parent water that's now looking like it's going to go to the board in December so we're going to have to wait and see so we really don't have any new information on the front of transactions in the parent water but expected to have two of the three in front of the board in December and then the third one would be in front of the board and if we have all that information we'll do that in December just a real brief update really what resources staff is working on our internal process for communication whatever and whatever it is so the process of informing those people that are going to be impacted by this going pretty well we're just going to make sure that we're not missing anybody that when we have a good way to communicate any future changes so anybody that is in the process of development they would be aware of those changes and have that time to react to what's going on so am I hearing correctly that we may or may not have a final validation for we may not have that in December that's what you're hearing okay that one first quarter that's what they're and when they take it to the board it'll just be the board bringing their approval to then complete their transaction and so I don't know how long it will take after they are approval for the PRPA and the person that entity that's receiving the wishing to purchase the water that that may take that may take a few months yeah the approval is kind of a nice official it is and we think at that point who it is anybody else? okay major project listings we'll talk about that coming up our way questions about it is there anything happening with it stay very good alright long term planning can we have some comments about possible suit your items go ahead thank you yeah what we wanted to do was just I guess broach the subject we're not asking for any decision today but over the last few years we've been kind of thinking about what water board what action the water board takes some things what we have before probably even today's agenda might be a little bit illustrative we have built it over activities at all just to be honest it seems like that is slowing down over time and a lot of the projects we've been looking at and a lot of things we've done at the water board seem to be community fruition I think it's really good it shows the results of long term planning on the water board so what staff wanted to do was just have a conversation with the board about what what the board sees or has an interest in doing as we go forward we don't have anything to put out other than you know there are some areas that we may want to consider if we go back and look at like our charge water board it's really first and foremost it's the water supply and I was in an incredible doubt about over the years but also there's a little bit of a charge there for water quality and we've had a number of water quality issues and water quality things that we've brought up over the years but there's probably there might be some areas that the board might be interested in going forward with I know right now we've probably worked with the board and staff and externally for a in-stream flow program for 20 years we've worked in in-stream flow program for years and really in conjunction with the same rain that water conservancy district will help us do that and Boulder County and Lyons and Brownland a lot of people help with that together some of those kinds of things that are specifically water supply related that we probably community is interested in and like us to move forward so we might want to look at a few of those types of things right now the district has stream management plan that we put together and we'll continue to move forward with that and we appreciate it all there at the district are there so really what we wanted to do is kind of broach the stuff that you can let Watermore think about either when you talk about the next month or January or something like that are you concerned about anything you know the staff bringing the right things to you are there areas you would like to step out in the future and I'm not going to try to throw anything on the table but maybe some areas like storm drainage water quality downstream along a lot of is there anything are you comfortable with Watermore bringing Watermore just kind of what Watermore to think about that what's the future of Watermore do we want to do I would propose with Watermore once we're more than happy to do some kind of strategic planning effort if you know that's necessary I'll bring in somebody where we could look at what we do and how we do it and are we going to write also I always like to remind even ourselves as much as anybody Watermore's advisory council and so we would want to talk to the council to you know council are you getting everything you need in Watermore are you getting the advice you want in the water area is there anything more you would like and so I'm not trying to throw anything out there other than would offer to Watermore that if you want us to do any process or bring anything up feel free to think about that and over the next couple or three months and if there's anything you would like us to do more so we just want to make sure we're reading what Watermore needs from staff and bringing the items that we need and is there any areas you need to expand upon and track on I personally am very interested in water quality I think we have good water quality but I think water quality issues are going to increase a little more in this important part for water utilities and I'm talking about affordable water quality I'm talking about PFAS I'm talking about lead lines things like that distribution system but I would be happy to have more of that information we're kind of a public conduit too again this is all at the discretion of the council but we're a public conduit as well so I would love to have more conversations around that it's not my area of expertise so I don't have great questions but it's something I think is increasingly more and more important than water you finally brought the water tank in we've got one little patch on that so great another thing that I've wanted to do in the past and I'm speaking of because I do have almost 10 years on the board in a weird way there's the water loss on it and that is definitely a distribution system and everything like billing and customer information system stuff for the water loss audit is a huge thing it doesn't have to be hard but it's a conservation measure that's really positive oh my gosh that's neat and so I would be interested in seeing how the board could support that and or educate council on it too because it's a it's a great activity like you can save water you can save money and make more money and more for that so those would be two things I'd be excited about and they are distribution systems they're really heavy yeah I'd like to see a little bit more on water distribution the distribution system has had a better understanding of how that works because he drove left he left at the right time we can get him back we can get him back we can get him all kinds of counts and again water quality is very important but water quantity is certainly an important factor because I'd love to hear more about in-stream trouble and what we can do to push that a little bit more along with that I think I'd like to hear more about what's going on with fish passage in a particular and how that impacts the city from that perspective knowing that like the Beckwith is soon maybe maybe the next path that might be involved in what does that mean to the city come on I'm thinking when we lost the bonus dish in order to make that elevation we had to do like nine drop structures and hold that in back so the same thing with Beckwith if you lose that how do we deal with that in order to success because we've got what's the fish passage notebook now and maybe a little bit on that yeah we should actually and then certainly again I'm aware of some of the partnerships but again it was great to hear the pump back as much our priority and how we kind of push some of those things if there's such advantages to the city to do that I think you know always an issue of dollars right and timing and people and to be able to do that more discussion about those long-range capital projects and how we look at the coast you know already state of our plant talking about lining near lines what's the state of our facility I mean at what point is there concern of the age and how does it age when we do about it you know I really have something proactive you know that disasters determine when we get into doing something so we talk about that a little bit I'd like to know that we have a fairly safe infrastructure as well with that yeah the asset management and distribution almost a deeper dive into that fantastic figure that they had before where it was like all of these kind of like time periods where where things are starting to come out of you know kind of starting to deteriorate or a life cycle kind of assessment like a deeper dive into something like that figure where a nice supplement and I will say that I mean so water quality is my area of expertise obviously but to hear more about that something that came to mind as we were talking as you start to recycle water of course this amazing water quality that we do have here in Hong Kong starts to deteriorate like so you take water that has come out of wastewater treatment plan you pump back upstream and then you say well we'll use that again you know of course if you do that on the lawn that's fine but if you're using it um in a municipal river there will be an inherent quality loss that really can do a whole lot of I mean taking water from crystal clear streams in the mountains obviously that's better so there's some quality issues just associated with water reuse that said I've always been kind of fascinated by the concept by these exchanges and like these different points of origin where what happens in the middle right and that's where these industry flow type programs really need to kind of like show their magic and their work essentially is ensuring that even when you are changing where you're taking water from and you're exchanging from here to there or whatever or you're putting water back in the river down here taking it from up here and there's a sketch in between where those industry flow programs are really important and I would say that's my point of view I'm curious about what those council think about what they're getting from us I really don't know because I never hear but certainly there's some opinions on that I just don't know Ken that was my question because now we have a real-life council marginally opposed to election what is their process today convening and really prioritizing as a collective once they have internal work or is that just I've lived for 23 or 24 years that's what they do from a sequence perspective because they do turn on lists of regularity that does sometimes create new focus but I don't think they intentionally go through here's what we want to do focus on the right hot on my faces whatever the win is but it would be nice to have more direction which is okay but if they had something they're more interested in knowing that there's three significant projects for the city at what level are you or involved in any kind of organization the new council members so they have a better understanding of some of this operation so yeah we actually do have normally we normally have a time where the new council members come down and meet with staff and each of them and they always want to come down to the water I've had a number of times you know we we get like an hour I'm not going to load don't get the union resolution so I won't bring you to your return but yeah we do get an opportunity at least and they kind of explain what the department is and more than anything else give them a place in the name or they don't have access but yeah it always helps more conversation so we're more than happy to talk to the council and you know get more feedback that's a pretty good start pretty good and I think that's important to do stuff like that I'm not sure I appreciate that feedback and feel free to think about it over the next few months and if there's more we're more than happy but sometimes you just keep walking away and don't think I'd say hey what are we doing we're giving that punk fact presentation it's good I've never seen this how that all works so I appreciate that it takes a little bit to figure out I really do understand unions that's the level of detail that I would enjoy for some topic every meeting to be honest just pick some random topic necessarily not because I'd restart those things together we're all understanding that I mean generally I mean personally I mean I've heard about the punk fact for a long long time and it was always we're going to go through your open space to do that it wasn't really a negative over time for me until I heard and saw the big picture and what the advantages are for the exchanges we can do further upstream so I thought it was a great reputation I mean just as another example that could go on to the list I would like that same this would be good to be honest but that same level of detail on just all the ditches where they go from it to who has the lion's share of the shares and how one month eventually and to what extent we operate with partners through the entire system yeah I was going to say that so of course it would have to be small bits maybe you break it into upper ditch or ditch kind of comes after even forts or something that we take off those small pieces or the biggest ones but some level of detail I'm happy we've got the expert and I was going to say where are we going to be in tension with these ditches? yeah good conversation to have we don't have ditch riders sometimes sometimes yes we do but as they age out we need to replace this very challenging of mine replacement ditch riders that any concept of what to actually do 20 years ago we got a weekly report I can't remember if we got a ditch rider from that age there's a lot of detail but we don't hear much about it so there's a lot to do and I hope you know you can't retire well we'll see but actually to kind of wrap come into we have been putting we're trying to put in a list of waterboard items we're trying to put like one item on one we don't want to overload the meetings but we'll try to do that process so feel free to look at that list and try to say I'd rather hear about this or sometimes I'd like to hear about that we're still talking about the hour of representation this month we need to write the work and it would be really good and the good thing is being recorded so everybody can make an awareness process for it we're doing those recordings we do you are a waterboard I was going to ask you about things like the slides or presented items I guess it may have been pointed before but we have access to the slides do you have those items too? I would maybe we can have a place where they live because the partners that come in and share can go back and review those just because I'm curious I'm not smart enough to go to work and immediately so it would be nice to review those thank you thank you alright thank you any other items that somebody wants to bring up? do you want to know? do you want to hear? alright let's check the resources and develop