doing by the way we're doing good there we go we are live hello everyone welcome back to the Paragon the overprime partner panel where we have a lot to talk about this week so we've dropped a ton of bombs on us just all kinds of updates and crazy roadmaps a bunch of stuff that I don't think any of us were really expecting judging from what they've said in the past it's even better than we thought it was going to be so let's let's not waste any time let's get right into it I'm the man goose joining me as always is a stunt how you don't start good man goose good how have you been great damn this this this road map I can't wait to get into it before then how is Eagle doing how are you doing brother I I'm dying and I would say slowly but whatever it is I have is taking me rather quickly so if I'm not talking as much as what I normally am I apologize my throat it speaks to breathe right now low you look like you're doing much better than I am that background is super sick by the way thank you the Mario background what's up everyone I hope everyone is having a great Friday afternoon you know with ego being sick showing up on the camera absolutely no shirt topless yeah what did the camera do to my shirt you know it took us a few minutes for his camera to recognize that he actually has a shirt so yeah I hope you guys are doing great today we have a couple hot topics regarding and the light of the new events coming and news coming from Paragon the overprime we're finally the awaited patch is coming soon and we're here to share it with you guys so before we get to the the big updates let's talk about the community corner that they did because that came out first the community corner came out first and then all of these updates with the roadmap stuff came out second but dirt even during the community corner they revealed I thought the next hero was going to be grim no it's going to be wukong it's gonna be wukong and he's already gonna have a skin there's a few things they said that worried me but what do you guys say ego obviously you are excited for wukong what do you think oh man dude I was okay so I was a really big wukong player let's back in the day I loved wukong I couldn't recognize though how incredibly broken the character was with the item and the ability to turn waves on itself there would be cases where someone to be like I'm gonna back and I'm gonna be like cool I just took your tier two and you know I would like to welcome you back into late I'll catch you later and walking out he's such a fun kid and I think his kid his gameplay and a synthetic will attract a lot of players to him but I'm looking forward to seeing how they're gonna balance them for for this type of game and just to answer chat real quick when is the wukong update they didn't put out any dates but we're assuming the 21st or the 22nd because that's when the winter event ends so they gotta hatch that out be perfectly honest I'll be happy to see the snow map go it was cool for a little bit but I'm tired of it but yeah be earlier don't quote us on it because I do remember either Ranger or Bumblebee one of one of them put out a said that they're gonna have a big patch mid-January January I'm guessing they might make an announcement sometime next week and probably put it out 14 15th or whatever it is but I did hear mid-January was gonna be one of their big patches lines up with whenever the snow map goes away thank God for that so the 22nd if they're taking away the snow map that's that's what it is yeah so I mean they've proven over the past couple days that we can't trust them they're gonna sneak up and drop a bunch of bombs on us we're I'm saying almost probably the 21st tomorrow we have we were calling I'm sitting here looking like a absolute idiot what do you think about Wukong's addition to the game I'm very happy the other way the other side of happy I hate Wukong I don't want to run after that motherfucker I already have to you know run away from somebody who chases me all the time and I hate him so much and it's race so now with the addition of Wukong I don't know it kind of reminds me of the olden Paragon days you know he's the first hero to actually be brought back since you know fault in the light of having predecessor right now this is the first time actually having Wukong since Paragon you know went away a couple years back so I'm not sure I'm on the iffy side I hope he's not too annoying because I'm pretty sure now with this new update we're gonna see a lot of them we're gonna see a lot of dodges we're gonna see a lot of Wukong's there's gonna be a Wukong every single team you know probably Ego's name under each and every one of them and it's gonna be pretty annoying so I hope I don't know I hope we're able to find a hero that can counter him or like some cards to just shut that man down you know he's a don't like chasing around him the whole not the whole time so yeah that's my take on Wukong very polarizing hero very polarizing I'm I mean they they said excuse me I'm very sorry gave it to me and you oh no I was sick for the past couple days and anyway I'm like I'm I'm like I'm wearing a mask because if you blow too much it'll won't cross through to me so so with Wukong like um he's a pain in the ass to deal with cuz he changes the way you have to play the game you have to play around Wukong that's the way it was in Paragon we don't know if that's gonna be the way he was he's going to be in a Paragon the overprime what but I mean Rangers said that they want to bring him back the way he was in in Paragon I need to go get some water I'll be right back so smooth transition as far as them bringing the character back it's especially like a copy paste of it here at pop COVID corner I think that even if they copy paste drop him into the game exactly as he was it won't necessarily be as bad as what it previously was in the original launch because for example the lanes do the minions especially push a lot slower it's hard to get a larger set of waves that do push the towers at least as the game is currently outside of that it's a much more kill intensive early game so I just don't see especially with the size the map him being as good of a split pusher as he used to be without putting the team at a disadvantage and now that may goes back I need to blow my nose I think Wukong's biggest issue in the OG Paragon days was the fact that he can alter tower walk away and have the his alt or his abilities do damage I've noticed that in our in Paragon the overprime you can't use abilities for towers if I'm not mistaken right so if they take giving damage to a tower with an ability that kind of gives a small disability to Wukong yeah I mean that's be there but he wouldn't be able to just drop an alt or do something and then walk off while the other towers being destroyed yeah I mean that's way it should have been for like in Paragon you could abilities didn't deal damage to towers either but Wukong's 84,000 hairs didn't count as an ability that counted as basic attack damage all of his clones they you know took on took a little bit of his crit and attack speed and all that stuff so if they change it to where his clones deal ability damage it'll be perfectly fine but if it's still does it the way it does it then yeah you're gonna have to take two people out of your team to stop Wukong from pushing for the win which is going to leave everybody else at this advantage in a 3v4 team fight it's just it's a horrible it was horrible game design on Paragon's part Wukong was horrible game design on Paragon's part I know people loved him and loved his kit but who doesn't love a hero that you can crush a team on by yourself you know I mean that doesn't mean he's a well-designed hero so until he's against you and then you just cluster shit out of him and say yeah I solely is gonna have to do something to fix it so it doesn't repeat history with Paragon because Paragon had to remove him from the game that's how bad he was in a situation like Paragon the overprime when you can get many prime at at minimum twice before big prime comes up by then you already have your alt you know what I mean to put Wukong's ability or his alt doing damage to towers or minions you're giving them a huge advantage on top of that prime and and like some of the some of the community members were saying if that happens you can potentially ruin the game for for a lot of your friends if you have prime dropping in one location and Wukong alting in another in another lane I mean you can just separate you can just separate the team you can literally have two people guard where Wukong is in case he's gonna be like a ratty pusher you know that's what he's known for like the rat pushing you know while everybody's fighting on one side he's on the other side taking your tower and then he runs away and gets away with it but if we separate the team we split it if that case happens where the prime goes to one spot and Wukong's on one spot we can counter him that way the thing is that you know how like we were talking last week that minions do not even if you set the wave the minions will push in favor and keep going right like I'm worried like later in game when that happens does he really even need minions to be in that inhibitor to actually push it by himself no he didn't in Paragon he did in Paragon but he did not in Paragon he didn't need anybody with him in Paragon taboo he did not dominate teams but he dominated games he won he won games by himself us being able to like go in the inhibitor like any steal can go in the inhibitor take a tank it and people you know would be hitting it I'm thinking like how much is he gonna be able to just tank that inhibitor without needing even prime without needing anything there's a certain period in the game if he's building enough to armor you know when he has that damage on top of that he's good to go by himself so I'm gonna make the inhibitor say harder maybe later in the game or something I don't think that in this iteration of the game as it stands currently he'll so towers definitely they're free like discount aisle clearance and he just got like his food stamps and age you leave the lane he's taking that tower as far as what inhibitors go I don't think he's gonna be able to take it as easily as we discuss earlier with the map being as long as it is as large as it is with the old especially models the paragraph map being more condensed it was a lot easier for him to get more into friendly territory very quickly and I grew in mangos when he said he didn't dominate teams he dominated games you completely have to change around your play style and how you play the game and how your objectives are oriented when a wukong's in the game even if he stopped the jungler a wukong solo a wukong carry if he is not on the map he is just as liable to be taking possibly in this iteration of the game could be taking spirit he could be taking pride he could be pushing up a wave just to split push over and help take someone else's part the problem to me is if they drop him into the game as he is now he feels more or less like a little mini prime like wukong the character is like the mini prime buff you drop him in a lane maybe he doesn't take the tower but he's gonna put a lot of damage on it and then he's gonna be out and the trades for objectives versus your liability to either catch him even with the larger map being as long as they aren't especially since they're keeping that airwalk chef's kiss is he just has so much presence that I don't think you can put him into the game without having his clones deal ability damage instead stealing prime stealing spirit is gonna be a piece of cake imagine that he has a gem to teleport and then he has sprint mode I don't think stealing will get right I don't think stealing will be super easy for him because he never was once like wukong as far as like team fights go never like could hop in and just do like instant like let's say like burst damage let's say like the threshold for that is like two to four seconds it was he would get under your tower for 10 and over the like gradual increasing of the amount of hairs from its passive or oaks that would pop up the damage scaling would just go like you don't have a tower anymore also this game feels like it has a fair amount of cc so maybe ceasing him out of just stealing objectives could be something viable but with his mobility I could definitely see him like picking up what's the jungler I don't know God I'm forgetting a smite and just like air walking over stealing it and it being very hard to catch him afterwards I don't know and he altered and all he paired on were his clones killable no they just they fix it a little bit if they make his clones killable killable like by if you attack you have to kill his clothes first and then to kill him if like if a if a like Bellica does her seismic wave and and damages clones or does something like having some kind of a ability damage or reaction to the clones in all gee I remember when he popped it I just didn't remember if you were able to damage it and and in this game if like let's say if they are bringing back his old kid and he's gonna start doing ability damages on towers and on objectives and all of that maybe allowing us to target clones to minimize the the damage I mean you introduce a whole new problem right there that you can't damage Wu Kong because he's got clones all over the can't kill his team because he's got clones all over the you're not an octopus of multiple hands where he'll get weaker if you like kill his clones that would be cool not making it weaker you're just not allowing because if his alt is a three second five second duration for those three five seconds he's doing damage though it's permanent your tower you know I mean his ultimate is permanent yeah it's not you don't turn it on and off he always spawns yeah it's a passive ultimate that's I mean if it works again if it works the way it does like it did in Paragon well Paragon you had you had different cards that could help counter him you had the the one card that would help out that would you could make it a tower completely immune for three seconds so if he was beating on it you could immune the tower from far away and give your time your team time enough to rotate over and save it you had to wake in the emmerich where you could swap a minion wave over so if he pushed with a big minion wave you could change all of his minions to your minions and kill him that way Richter was always a great counter to Wu Kong unfortunately we won't see Richter until May that's exciting though we get to see Richter in May but I think they're growing his pull that they're they're growing his pull from now until May has stretched they're stretching it out he's just gonna you know you know how like the infinite rock on on rampage you throw it all the way to the base I think his cool pull is gonna be all the way to the base so whichever Wu Kong is gonna be it's just gonna snag him right out it's gonna be efficient pull well I think phase is gonna be a really good counter phase in her card iteration will be a really good counter to Wu Kong if his kid it pays the same but they but they shortened her they shortened her what's called her a pole help range like got shortened when she got the nerve yeah if he just still time with his gem and you are on a cooldown I think that's it there's no way you can catch up to him and that's fun it's preventing him from jumping up in the air and walking over the air to get away you're just gonna you could just jerk him right back out of the sky with phase I mean anybody can get away from phase with with the blank item but true it's it's on a cooldown for a reason yeah that's true I think if you use mutant Poe and turn him into a fish while he's trying to use that one ability to run away he'll be gone he'll put on a cold sun and you guys think would Iggy be a good counter to Wu Kong because of his turrets I'm ready I'm ready I'm not oh my god that's too much chaos Iggy means chaos imagine a wukong and an Iggy on one team taken prime turrets and runs away and we don't know what kind of Iggy it is but I'm just giving you yeah it is turret Iggy whether it's the fire turrets or the machine guns I don't think so he's still a mobile to too much with Wu Kong the problem so the biggest problem with wukong wasn't only the damage he could do to your towers because in my opinion his team fight wasn't that great it was okay he had a couple good tools in the kid that he could utilize to have an impact on it and if he did get someone kind of locked down and he built a little bit of a slow cart he could help burst somebody down but Iggy is to stay sharing a big problem with wukong is his inherent mobility he's getting to places faster or was at least that any other character could get and it led to these instances of he could in what would most cases be considered overextended and just go unpunished for it which allowed him to accumulate a lead do invades take towers and that kind of gradual accumulation just led to like that late game just like I hate this game like feeling that wukong would sometimes give people um so Iggy would tear drop I don't want to live in that world I don't want to live in a world where Iggy's first time here oh my god we'll get to Iggy fairly soon but let's move on from wukong to talk about the other hero that they talked about which was Mako short for mascot Mako maybe yeah it's a brand new IP support they they said they're done making um Korean Idol over there for for Paragon the overprime and and uh so they he's got like a short little flying squirrel looking guy riding around on a boulder and he's going to be a support so what do you guys think of Waco Mako a damage support okay I don't understand that they're all dammit all supports are damaged supports that's a caster with extra steps that kind of I mean when he means I think one stun means like damage support is like now we see a lot of people take casters as supports you have more damage basically even if you're building support items but um so I'm excited to see what it's going to be about even like why is the damage somewhere yeah even if it's not a caster I mean they're uh broadcast at the the podcast that they did for overprime they did say it's a damage support and they and they mentioned it a few times and they also said that ball that he's rolling on is going to be able they're going to be able to you're going to be able to use it as an ability so now whether that's an alt whether like I don't know if if he's going to be a physical damage he's going to be like that little annoying for all that's going to be jumping around slapping you like uh there's a hero like that in uh smite right read a tasker there you go yeah so I again when they keep saying damage support I've never heard that term it's either support or I mean why does that what I think damage support I think of fey like fey supports via via damage a lot of times but she still has supportive abilities but like even decker is a magical damage support like she she deals magical damage with her with her stun she deals magical damage with her bubble like I don't understand why the stress was put so much on magical damage support but anyway I think it's going to it's fucking going to be great to have another support hopefully he has some pretty basic uh supporting abilities that isn't just a straight up caster that they're calling a support but um I don't know what are you guys I'm very happy about the character model yeah it looks really good there's a new character character model and a new character we needed somebody in support I just they did not use us enough with maco with like his kit and like if he's holding something in his hand so we can maybe tell if he's going to be you know you know physical or not is he going to you know get off of his scooter whatever he's on and just roll it into the enemy we don't know like it's very um you can you can picture a lot of things and so many ideas come through but um I'm pretty excited for a support in general because uh me as the support main I'm personally very you know wanting a new support in line here yeah it's been a minute that they've just been the supports have been just repetitive this is the first one in a minute for us here I think this is this is going to be a perfect support for neurona why because because no no no because I've played against supports who who kind of sustain and lane and stuff and I've seen your aggressive support side and if this is a damage support like they keep emphasizing I can I can see you I mean using this hero because you're aggressive side yeah yeah W key when you find the right opportunity not all supports do that usually they stay back always the smart thing to do depending on your enemy and depending if you're your carry is capitalizing with you there's nothing wrong with building a crit decker for example I do it all the time guys I encourage you take a red gem on decker and build her crit and go with her along the way but uh public service announcement do not build crit decker in ranked I will personally I will personally find you and I will cut your ethernet cord don't don't don't you dare she hurts when you build damage like that on decker she fucking hurts I believe you but you know what else hurts with you starting redstone with a lot of last hits I'm getting so you know I need you to take your gold and I need you to war like a good little support I'm talking to a couple support means I better get back in line but yeah no I'm also hoping that because the the color scheme that they chose like that green the green ball he probably has healing abilities too I'm hoping like that like an arm ball possibly yeah not just not just uh uh not just the damage they keep talking about but like uh possibly have like a nabash ability where he can heal or she or whatever it whatever creature it is green equals health we know this from video games I don't know I don't think he's gonna have something like that because I'll think so either damage support I think his damage is gonna be coming for his support side it's gonna be coming from is that he's gonna be having abilities to maybe stop or hinder just like like fey like she can stop you and she can slow you like for example decker can knock you um maybe that's the side of his damage score if he was a truly full support that's where I would be thinking would he have healing abilities as as a you know true healer that's what I'm thinking there did you guys also notice something as we're talking about this new hero in their podcast they only had a concept art with the hero didn't see any abilities we didn't see a 3d rendering and yet we know that Adele exists but we're getting macko before macko first yeah okay but um I actually have this I've had the screen up for a little bit because I brought the screen with all the new heroes um they have his 3d renderer in that called just just because they didn't have it an op for the record doesn't mean they don't have it I mean I know for under the new heroes right that says march but I'm in in game like they gave us only concept they didn't give us any I was I was surprised because we know that Adele exists yeah so it's it's very interesting that they put Adele near the end or I think it's because of what they said they're people are getting tired of all the pop cars yeah that's that's what I wanted to bring up earlier was I was one of the bigger things that I was happy about is them kind of showing us what they are capable of outside of making hot skinny girls uh who do a lot of damage hey hey hey are you inferring to the new sparrow skin yeah I mean sorry the new sparrow skin the masters just so I can be sure I get that skin um I mean uh no the skin looks cool but um no I'm very happy that they are kind of showing their wheel box of things they can do and I'm looking forward to seeing the animations of how it's going to play how it's going to look how it's going to work how smooth it's going to be because Sina came out and it was amazing and I'm and I loved it but one thing I am worried about as far as this is that it might end up being just a mid laner with extra steps like if they like create a support who does like AOE damage and that's good sustain and you know etc etc I people might just take him to the mid lane because they might be better or more impactful there but overall I'm just excited to kind of see what this character is going to feel like like more so than who call okay the monkey's back I okay but like I'm excited to see what's up with this one well let's uh let's move on to the new heroes let's move on to some of these updates that the major updates that they put out and um let's start off with the new heroes since we're kind of on a hero kick right now so we know we're calling this January so February next month we're getting Iggy and Scorch in Crunch to again very um very beloved heroes by they're sort of they they have their cult following I think Wukong has a cult following um Iggy and Scorch Crunch both have a cult following the people that like Iggy and Scorch fucking love Iggy and Scorch people that like Crunch fucking love Crunch so I think both of these heroes are very it's they're very good strategic conditions to bring more people into the game um oh yeah Iggy and Scorch I think I was discussing this with Dapper Dice we were talking about it the way it's going to affect how you play when he puts turrets and bushes and like you just can't do anything about it or you're sprinting along you're about to gank duoling and all of a sudden the turret hits you from the bush and you know now you're rooted you're like oh well fuck no yeah that's going to be a problem more than any any time Iggy's turrets were a problem just because we do get rooted on sprint mode it's going to really suck if we're not able to see where they're at plus depending on what the audio queue is it could completely stop junglers and their tracks right you just go put one off kind of close to the side lane stick to that side and then like Kalari's like oh i'ma come get ya and then they'll just right right acting like a ward at the same time then again i'm down for anything that makes Kalari slightly worse i hate that character Jesus Christ but no yeah overall i'm super excited for Iggy uh you know i do like the new addition they made for Richter that in order for his pool to grab you you have to have at least 20% crit on and in order for it to go through the portal you have to be building 50% crit and which is sort of the kingdom yeah then it travels across the whole fucking map but oh and if you go past 100% you go through walls too so maglud gets what he wants and if you break 100% you get to fly but uh no a gravestone i also feel like is a really good like this lineup would be perfect if it had a little more more gash in it i will say we do not see a more gash in here it's heartbreaking i'll be after after looking at this lineup what's really left you have more yen yen the whoop the whooper the hopper whooper yen as inks and sara sara who are we forgetting there's definitely no these are the ones more yeah these are the ones that are left between them i'm really surprised i thought yin would be one of them really i was waiting her i think she's one of the one like one hero that was always asked about you know besides you know bringing richter back besides icky besides crunch and adult i think yin was i was here like people saying yen we want yen because you know we haven't seen any version of her before uh she's a very special hero with her abilities and kits so the drunken we know about yeah the drunken we know about they did tease them in the past and now suddenly he's pushed back all the way to april um you know back where they put a little teaser poster up um in the discord on the twitter where they showed off his kit like his um abilities and stuff and we never heard anything from there and then now they jump to wukong pushing back drunken all the way to april um we don't know what that's about but as as you've said before stunt we're used to um you know paragon the overprime teasing us with little things and going the other way around and giving you something completely different but because micah's argument was correct too you had grim on this poster at the beginning of the game sent center the access so bless you thank you so you would you would think it makes sense for them to have grim but non-sequer i really appreciate you also being sick man we're all dying over here in order to stand in solidarity with me just we're all fucking dying over here before the show you're like i can't let him go through this long you like walking around making homeless people not to get neuronal sick too it's not fair no we're at like 75 percent okay so it's it's wukong iggy and scorch crunch mako is in march and then april's the drongo gravestone i think gravestone's an exciting hero to see i think i'm gonna be sick he's a lot of fun he's gonna be really good for new players gravestone's just one of those new player friendly sort of heroes because he does get the he gets to die twice um yeah i i like you're like oh the character who doesn't die the first time will be great for new righty shot off lane and say just go play just go play gravestone and the outlay i'll not listen i don't know if you guys ever saw my gravestone guide it was pretty good it was uh you tape a rock to your w key and then you tape the your left mouse click button down and that's how you play gravestone that's how you play gravestone nothing gets it through to new players when the time is to retreat when somebody beats the soul out of your body since it's the heaven and then you come back it is pretty funny that was an ultimate too right yeah and he's another um you know pretty famous solo laner more than he's a jungler the more famous solo laner that will always push your tower if you have a gravestone on that off lane be careful with those rotations uh yeah yo i 100% agree gravestone is going to be towered up in like a motherfucker i think this is now now seeing wukong and seeing gravestone actually those two tower pushes realized they are bringing two tower pushes in less than a period of six months right from now until i believe april well we got two in april so barely four months roughly and they were talking about decreasing um decreasing the fighting ability like how many like how much you fight the percentage which was originally 70 percent fight and 30 gameplay and management now with these two play heroes being added from now until april and they mainly will be in your solo lane mainly and they're going to be pushing your towers that means we're going to be focusing less or actually on fights and rotating and caring about oh we have one of these two pushing our towers i think this manifestation there and bringing those two heroes in this fast i think that all comes along with the play of how they wanted it to be decreasing the fights that's assuming they keep his kit the the most exciting part for me and over prime is isn't which hero comes out i enjoy the game so i i try out all of them it's the creativity that goes behind the kits that they bring in gravestone's going to be thrown as shield like captain america okay yeah i will assuming his his kit stays assuming uh drongo still has even though they they teased like his boomerang and everything assuming all his kits all their kits stay yeah no i i'm i'm looking for it i i told uh i was talking to reaper earlier and i was like i had like seen a rumor and like it was even discord and it post that like leak that like drongo's ult is changed where if i killed somebody when like he shoots the first one if you're still in midair you can shoot like a second one that'll shoot you even further back and like something crazy like that and i was like i don't feel like that's real that would be like i told reaper about it he's like oh god god no no god i was like that's not sick imagine you're like in the air you just and then you just forget like that feels really in tow with kind of like the innovation that over prime has been all about i feel like the changes they have made for the characters have just made them better fun and more popular like imagine murdoch if he still just had straps right you're just like oh i wondered in playing there's this big glowing thing i'm going to walk around i feel like all the changes they've made on the characters has been for the better and and i think the changes that they're making they make the characters fun in og paragon i didn't play murdoch that much because you just put a trap on the floor now it's murdoch 98 percent of the time you know what i mean so they make the characters fun even giddy and win in the beginning i heard that he's not gonna have his uh the meteor has right click i figured you're just centering or you're doing a pull ability he's fun to play with yeah so they're making all their kits fun and i can't wait to see what's happening with gravestone so after gravestone in may is going to be grim and ricketer i'm i really want to see what they do with uh grim's kit ricketer of course i'm excited for ricketer he was my main back in paragon uh but uh grim i think i i'm actually a little more excited to see grim come back than ricketer at this point because paze already pulls people so i'm a little fucking butthurt about that or as ricketer play goes but you know we'll see what happens and pull through pertles man maybe maybe he'll also be a pull you don't know that maybe if you know he'll also be a pull you have a pull yeah but each team you pull my night pull yours yeah but his his will be a fucking lock one yeah you gotta get a skill shot i don't know like imagine just close your eyes and imagine the team comp of low inevitably going mid lane phase and then you're also ricketer every time they think they're away that i go i blink took out away from the failures i know i mean i wouldn't mind if it's not a pull but it's like he hits him locks him on throws him up in the area slams him on the ground just stun him shit i wouldn't mind that what if you can't what if it's what if they change it to where like his chain it's something that hits and like phases it stays but you just can't inter sprint mode while it's attached and you're silenced or something yeah like it's like i don't know i'm just brainstorming none of us can possibly get inside the head head so these guys it's all over no one it'd be funny if you can't throw the chain lock onto the enemy and you press e analytic tricutum or something that stuns him silence of the map yeah that'd be so rude and uh the last hero is will be in june and that's going to be Adele which we uh saw for the paragon codex they already datamined a lot of her abilities so she looks like she's going to have a lot of be a lot of fun she's going to she will also hook people but she will pull herself to them uh hey a la sonia from here's the storm so i'm really excited for it no i think her kid is going to be super cool a lot of fun and i i love the idea of just a true tank they true this hardcore tanking ability and i i was telling soul reaper i'm going to go back into the comment he made he said uh they probably keeping Adele for last because she might be the cover for overprime since it's it's their first uh probably their first hero they made if that is the case and let's say Adele is being left for the last one and they're going to go full access after june there's a lot of updates this roadmap is putting this on that they need to finish in the next six months or five months yeah i i think we could make that assumption though that yeah they can still release her before they can have her be the poster girl and still release her well before well before full release you know what i mean uh let's move on to the move on yeah yeah i'm the to the next update here major update roadmap i'm gonna switch it up too so this is the one the upcoming major system updates and they have them in chronological order however they don't have any dates we have console being first so that's going to be the first major update then a hero mastery system then battle pass system a replay system user manner rating system and emotes which i don't understand why emotes is even on this list it looks like they seem to accept they're like we're doing animations for emotes i was like i sure put a battle pass you say yeah console you say i mean like console the big thing here none of these stack up to the console yeah oh yeah yeah before we open up the console subject and we get a stampede of community members down here that user manner rating system huge uh is it huge i'm on the wire with that one i like it in other games like if you get to upvote or downvote people um yeah like if they have if they were like a good leadership or whatever sounds like an uber system yeah yeah yeah if you play in an amazing game but i want to be a toxic ass i can potentially ruin it for you right if i downgrade you yeah but you're looking at like the worst case scenario that will happen sometimes for the most part people are probably going to use this correctly to be like hey you carried the game thank you here's a couple of hey yeah you did this guy did really good scene if they have like a smite or the paladins version of it where you give them a thumbs up a good teamwork or good participation like there's three sections yeah i'm okay with but if they have that like implemented an overwatch and the new overwatch you know they upvote you you know carry the team and something like that uh what i mean is i hope they don't have a negative one where i'm just going to be an asshole and be like you know what i don't like the way magus plays so thumbs down for him like i'm okay with everything else giving a good thumbs up giving a uh commendation whatever the case may be and however they make it but why would they do that they have a report system like why would they ever do that because it says user manner rating it doesn't say user player rating like it's a matter of rating like you're thinking you're thinking like you're in game behavior like you were toxic or you were not giving my thumbs down or thumbs up like magus is mentioning like that that's what translate to though i agree with the angel family in chat angel family in chat oh like it's like yee of little faith in humanity like i totally understand where you're coming from angel yeah i do you know how many of my rank games have been ruined because people don't get the hero they want that they throw the game i would like to pause for a moment because if we're talking about ranked games we're not we're not talking about ranked games we're not getting into that shit tonight so console obviously huge we don't know which console we don't know when console uh we just know console i know right big deal as yeah because we know we know for a hundred percent certain that ps5 is on the table ps4 should also be on the table and xbox further picture we're pretty sure is on the table yeah so i think that'll be so huge was not confirmed correct man goes not we've seen a ps5 video we've seen a kit for ps4 but xbox hasn't been confirmed yet i guess we'll have to see for that yeah and i think as we were talking earlier and it was always a problem till you know the community figured it out where we had no controller support i know that they don't mention it here in their roadmap updates but i'm thinking since they said console i think that's when they're going to release the full controller support with the console update all together in a bundle i don't think so i think i think controller supports go to be this quarter we'll get to that on the slide a controller support is definitely coming before console yeah that's what i think too well it's what we know from the slides that sent out okay okay so i know this is not the biggest thing but a battle pass system i have on almost every episode advocated for this within the games you really have dude i am a fiend for a good battle pass i'm also a fiend for apparently some cough drops because my throat is about to explode as i'm saying the sentence but um no we we've been talking about like how can we help the game how can the game help itself how can we keep players in the game from dropping active battle pass is objective things to do on a day-to-day are huge in this type of game a free game with a bit of a skill curve this is so big man and i feel like it's going to help grow the community and develop it so much more but depending on what is on this battle pass because i don't doubt that it's going to have a free variation and a paid variation depending on how well loaded and constructed this battle passes i just think it could be really big and i am so excited i am so excited for this guys man just give me a reason to like log in every day outside of doing the like the day at least like give me a fixed point of something that isn't right because that we can grind towards i'm i'm thinking what overprime having a battle pass changed the monetization a little bit that's what i was thinking it's done i'm hoping that it does well the battle pass system does well so that they can load the prices for other stuff like or even if they don't lower you know how there's games where they have a battle pass you can grind for free but if you want to get that premium kit or whatever you want you pay for it just changing the monetization just a little bit giving people like a package deal whereas you buy your favorite skins separately you know what i mean mm-hmm so i'm hoping it changes the monetization a bit hope it does i think it's only a good thing um i'd like to see them uh making more money off the game they they reserve rewards to be fairly fairly compensated for the work that they've done uh i think a battle battle pass system is a really good way to do that the one that that hits personal to me that that's near and dear to my heart is the replay system um can't wait for that hopefully it works just like it was it didn't paragon where you just copy the code from your game send it to somebody they load it up and boom they can watch your game that that makes content creation so much easier yeah buddy even even teaching the game when somebody says what was the mistake i made well let's go look at it this is what happened this is what you did this is what you shouldn't have done teaching the game would be a lot easier mm-hmm no we we can't hear you oh good because that was about to cut you up yeah i do remember from paragon you used to be able to like looked on your friends list you used to be able to see that your friends in a game and then you just click on it and actually access and go watch them um i'm pretty i'm excited for that but i'm also like to see how people you know other people play and you know maybe to learn maybe to be there for fun and watch the spectator and even you know help them capture content but like for content creation purposes 100% the replay system is something we've been waiting for you know we were promised something that before and felt and then ever came and now like this is the first time imagine just being able to like oh i forgot to record because i know there's a lot of people who play the game and you know um i i've came across multiple people telling me like for the top five plays that we've been you know introducing into our pop podcast here that oh something really great happened um in this game but we were able to capture my recorder wasn't on or you know it didn't record something this is like a great opportunity where you know something happened right on you just go back rewind get it and download it i'm very excited for that one too but the last one which is emote to be honest i don't know what they mean by that just because i recently tweaked my controller uh the way i use the controller in the third party software and i was able to realize that there's an f button and an h button on keyboard and i used them for the first time on my controller and i saw emotes above my head i saw a heart i saw a smiley face i was never able to see them before and i don't know if they mean the same stuff as emote or like they mean like dances and taunts and stuff dances and taunts and they're they're making their own special ones with um the mocap suit like he he did like they asked him in the um in the uh for the record and he said like doing stuff like that pointing and then doing the yeah last year through sort of thing but the decker dance all that kind of stuff um those those types of things talking about which i i guess is cool for them because i guess this is a major update for them because they are adding brand new animations to all the heroes but i i just don't do this as in the same scope and even nearly in the same ballpark as console release like it cracks me up that that's on this slide you know they have like an a gradient of importance question question do you guys remember the crowns from the old mastery system paradigm yeah the crowns and the horns the crowns of the horns depending on what orientation the characters were from i hope they continue odd with something similar to that because the lore they already have for these characters is fucking awesome like i don't know if you guys have taken the time to go through and like read the lore of some of these characters that's in their character bios but it's awesome like i like went through and i read all of them and i'm like oh klar is not an assassin she's a freedom fighter for her country which has been taken over and muriel is her little sister who became an android because she didn't want to have to watch her sister die and like like like muriel's like a priest or something and like stuff like that and like just small things like that that don't kind of build upon the world of the scope of the game and expand it out more than you know the five you five arena that you're playing and i think it's going to be awesome for the game and the hero mastery systems like a huge step in the right direction for me yeah all right let's take a look at the quarter one updates i suppose they mean like a calendar quarter one not physical quarter one because that's already over with but uh so this is the stuff that's going to be implemented soon like um fairly soon like console is not going to be for a while but this is the stuff that's going to get added uh systems for beginners would have ai matches uh smart shop with quick buy uh improvement of tutorials which they desperately need uh conveniences uh item preset systems something people have been asking for over and over and over again smart key ui hopefully that means that we'll be able to have smart keys found individually for heroes that's what i'm hoping it means uh improvement of the ping system i think it's pretty okay l it is uh balance adjustments game balance and item balance and then others uh they're going to have colorblind mode which is something again a lot of people have been complaining that they have a spectator system a physics system a custom game competitive mode so this is going to be like you'll be able to do draft and stuff in custom games uh controller support game api and an ai jungler so a lot of great things come in this quarter probably the biggest deal here would be controller support because that has kept a lot of people away from playing over primes that they don't have controller support i can fully agree with you there um i do however also uh think that another another big one is the preset system the item preset system i know we were talking about it before where you know you're able to build your have your own build set and just like find it like it'll i think that will decrease your time at the base um but i don't know how really convenient that is because a lot of times we want to build like as we're if we like have a set like okay i'm going to play bellica mid lane and this is how i'm going to build her let me put her builds and it's going to be my shop one click of a button you know it's right there i'm just going to pick from it um i wonder like if we're trying to counter build like we're supposed to um that's not feasible like i don't know how much convenient that's gonna come and play but in in general it's nice to be able to have your own build like for example if you build it in a third party software like paragon codex you're able to like transfer under your profile in the game somewhere and actually like just incorporate it that'd be nice you know to pull builds from some of the top players some of the top builds pull it in and use those builds i i don't think they're gonna take away the items though yeah you'll still have all items you can yeah yeah if you have preset you might have like the smart shop recommended items and like a tab up on top just like the all items you know how we have three tabs recommended items all items and search you might just have your own personal tab up top that that the game will feed off of for you that's actually pretty cool that decreases the time you need at the at the core really like a lot of times you'd be thinking is this like for me personally i know my cards it's just sometimes in the game i'm like sitting at the court should i get this one or that one and then i'm like reading and reading the description on some cards because of the color i guess the that gray color i'm kind of like having to squint or zoom in like this does this is that let me refresh do i want it do i not want it you know this kind of decreases your your stay at core time you know and and waiting on that um when they say physics system hope they mean jiggle physics especially with the new sparrow skin that's coming out jiggle oh my god that's the only physics system i can take of man goose i can see you are so an intellectual i'm a man of culture dude someone of higher intellect i see that sparrow skin oh dude i was already determined to like break through gold in the plat and i'm like now i gotta be a master like i don't have if that's where that skin's at that's where i need to be how do i even play sparrow yeah they didn't say sparrow is gonna make him jump you just can't jump in front of him i thought the new sparrow jumps mm-hmm sparrow skin is immaculate yeah they didn't say what you need to earn in order to get this like what rank you have to get to get the sparrow skin just that it's a competitive rank reward um i don't know i think this will definitely encourage some people to play ranked even if they don't like to play sparrow this is a bad ass skin um i mean it's a little on the sexy sexy side but still it's it's a really cool fucking skin and i think a lot of people are going to want to have this skin so uh and they're going to grind for it it may cause a little bit more frustration though because like if you're stuck in a bronzy low health and you're having a hard time climbing out and you really want this skin it's going to make it even more frustrating when you have twin blast jungle and get like that count this i agree i i do have the one comment one negative comment on that skin um they talk about her uh story being she was lost by her parents and the forest basically became her playground that's basically me hearing about fey because fey is the forest girl and then what also reminds me of fey in that skin for sparrow is her ears i wonder why they adapted those ears which are basically fey ears and the original sparrow yeah but the original sparrow had no ears like that and all her skins were never used to her being you know like the elf version of sparrow those are those are fey ears right there yeah but it's cool yeah it is cool i don't think it's supposed to be representative of the character within the like narrative of the game right it's like in smite they have pictured like so like one of the thorns skins for thorns smite is him in a wedding dress and that's because in like the like actual thorn lore he like gets uh like married to a giant so he can steal his hammer back from the giant or something like that and that's in the game but that's also not them saying like yeah by the way thorn your mirror about to go on their honeymoon sometime soon it's just like it's it's just visual eye candy right they're not they're like people like hot elves and people will play ranked for the skinny hot elf and they're right we will i tell don't laugh you'll kill me oh fucking hurts i don't think it's indicative of what uh the actual character narrative is he's gone he's gone i'm gone dude if i get to remove me i just i wish they would have told us what the rank requirement was going to be they will reiterate on that when she's out and they fully i mean just like they're going to reiterate on a lot of stuff i do i still think they're going to tease us like with wilcon maybe bring in like a little teaser trailer of him doing something you know um i i think they're going to give us more information before they actually release this patch uh especially with those little details i'm telling you right now that they will come comes out i'm buying that skin oh hell yeah uh well speaking of skins let's move on to that they they put out a release schedule not only for heroes but for new skins uh some of them are fucking bad ass and thank god serif serif is finally getting a skin fucking finally why was she nude the whole time i never played serif no she just has no skins she has her default skin that is it she doesn't even have any recolors i mean i mean decker too man they have the the original blue one and then they just died in red and that's yeah but nobody cares about decker yes they do when i stun you across the face and you get like oh it's a decker but at least she had something at least she had a recolor at least like serif had absolutely nothing so it'll be it's good to see serif get the skin that decker skin though i think looks by far the coolest from what we can see in this picture looks the coolest out of all of them i'm curious about this wing of darkness skin for muriel i think that's going to be badass but you can't really see enough of it here to really make uh to make a good call on it dude the support love that you guys are going to be getting in quarter one is going to be really sick a new support hero some quality support skins dude over prime also i feel like we've set up before but it it should never go unstated over prime skins are like unparalleled they are awesome like they look so good and so clean and the animations are so nice i'm a huge one the community members said mr chew looks like johnny that i mean johnny cage i said that's so true johnny tb yeah tb is always known to be playing playing in style they're always adding that style to him he does a split then shoots you in the nuts the original paragon like the polka haunt is yeah but she's way more beautiful yeah her details her facial features let's just have more beautiful and prominent hope they put a bra on her because she had them free hanging that geotitty that skin what i remember about that skin when you're picking a character are you like spectating them up close are you that one yes like lingers behind women players like female like players or heroes like looking at them in the game like afk what you do and i'm just spectating her yep that's exactly what i think i'm around that's exactly what i do especially countless like i could hear a select a big countless spinner around hands-off keyboard the first thing i thought the man who's like she got a nerve but a butt buff yeah yo then tell me man goose what's ran on today i used one of the shimby skins not the christmas one but the other like very colorful one and she has something written on her on her butt like on her cupid oh what's written cupid oh cupid oh oh okay cupid oh yeah i got another random zeo turn around and tell me what's written you're talking about dreamy dancer right yes dreamy dancer then the other skins she has she has like a sunflower tattoo on her shoulder and stuff they did a lot of cool shit with uh with shimby skins mainly yeah i search there every inch um yeah rockabania is a big shimby player so he's done a lot of work on on her skins even her just base skins when they give the nabash and lower back tattoo that's what i'll be tramps i think he needs a lift i think he needs a breast lift for nabash so the jiggle jiggle physics that farmer jinkens was talking about i left the podcast for a grand total of 39 seconds and i just step away to take some medicine and i hear just like she got a booty buff someone put broader she's free climb and i'm more free hanging or some shit and i was like i've been gone for so short so many comments we're trying to see if we can make you choke more um the prophet ppr i i think somebody did make get the game to run on the steam deck i don't know how we can run on steam deck they can't it yeah that's crazy on steam deck well they did um that was way like that's been almost almost a month ago maybe a little bit less than month ago they tweeted about it uh paragon the other time tweeted like the steam deck that now you can play it there that's been playable i just haven't really seen anyone who's who actually said yeah i confirm i've actually tried it you're surprised paragon is still hanging on it's been like a month or whoever probably is still hanging been like a month and like they yeah they lost some numbers over the holidays but it wasn't like as big as i think anybody made it out to be and they're still um they're still doing really really well uh comparatively speaking to other early access games oh yeah absolutely and and you know after early access it's been not even a month we're closing to a month and now this big roadmap update and all these really nice cool things that are coming you know and it's so amazing i've always uh seen something about paragon over prime that they they listen to the community like they actually actively listened and they're actively saying and giving the community what they want um that is so great about them really much they have been far more transparent than almost any other indie developer that i've ever tracked 100 percent um because start starting with uh net marble one they've constantly engaging with the community constantly giving us updates there there wasn't a week that went but because you know i did i do for the minions where i track all these games i've been doing it forever um once over prime started giving us updates it was every week every single week we had something new to talk about from over prime and that's continued um they kind of went silent a little bit after after the game came out i'm they're probably taking a pause for the calls but now bam we get all this um yeah they've just been extreme and not even just with the good stuff like even when they're like uh ranger talking about them losing numbers and everything like they they don't shy away from sharing uh what's going on with them with the community which is really nice to see but we're all through the final one the paragon the over prime roadmap this is just the general roadmap um this is just what we've discussed so far the new heroes the new skins the competitive ranked reward um what they plan for quarter ones the the major upcoming updates and then it'll be official launch is the last thing on their roadmap so good stuff i think it's pretty safe to say that console release will be before official launch oh yeah and it's gonna be it's gonna be big it's i'm gonna look forward to seeing the numbers um there's so much so much that they're doing so quickly and they also mentioned uh like some balance changes and stuff that'll be coming in this big patch so it has me thinking do you guys think they're gonna go through and do some sweeping nerfs and buffs because that i've talked to some people about it and it does leave me a little bit concerned because if you close your eyes venture back with me to the last closed meetup they're like 11 day one they did imagine a timeline fey is dog shit she is terrible she is not very great um gadget still obviously the best character in the game and then over the course of the game going into the early access release fey is now almost categorically the best character in the game hot take maybe after muriel just saying muriel is pretty fey after muriel oh that's what he's that's what the man's saying i'll defend this take i'll die on this health somebody one v one this man oh my god gamer it's in a five v five competition whether it be esports ranked your casuals or a quick battle there is no character in the game that has the capacity to be as impactful as muriel does dude okay all right i got before you go forward with this you're talking about two completely different roles to completely different functions in the game so how are you able to really even compare them you're talking about a full support versus a full caster one is causing an insane amount of damage and one isn't cause it's causing an insane amount of sustainability but you look at it look at it from the from the point of who would you ban who would you ban yeah who would you who would you yeah i'd bend fey over muriel dude uh so we've been banning fey in ranks almost all my ranked games it's either rampage or fey that's okay i have a question for you i have a question for you low real quick so so i understand your thing like basically like apples or oranges right like my my response to that is they're both fruit they can be compared um and so so here so let's say let's say you are a mid laner you're midding against fey and she's like bullying you out of the light how can you fix her dealing this surplus of damage to you right you can build magical armor right you can build tankier you can build health you can build magical armor you can build yourself some cooldown so maybe you have your escape up if you're getting in more quickly what can you do item or ability wise that is in the game to stop the sustain provided by muriel shields at all you have no shield we need a shield buster item there's there's nothing you can do there's counterplay to phase kit and to phase damage into phase abilities muriel you can do zero if you have a good muriel the amount of sustain she can provide a team there's no good counterplay for it and then and then the it's a simple answer it's a simple answer too when you have a fey or muriel uh supported the enemy team you're more carefully playing against a muriel support than you are a fey especially with murdoch when that fey w keys you it's not that big of a deal for me whereas when i'm playing against the muriel so if i was supposed to ban one of them muriel would be banned first all the fey wow do you agree on that too magus um over fey no because i don't think people could play muriel as well as people could play the fey i agree with you early i i think the higher you get in competitive i think it would be more likely to see a muriel ban than a fey ban um but uh because muriel is just she's dope she's fucking insane um but not a lot of people play her uh she's not she's not a murder murder kill kill hero so people don't want to play her uh but she can keep her team alive insanely well so yeah i think she's she's highly slept on shielding in general in the game is a little overpowered and they need some kind of shield busting item it's very common in bobas i don't know why they don't have one fucking finnax dessert pisses me off so bad but especially when i'm on countess and i think i have an adc dead to rights and then that giant shield pops up finnax dessert god damn um players id there's so many of these shielding items that you can't do anything about it would be nice to have some uh shield buster item even if it was like an active like something you could use that's just like you remove all shields off of someone and it like it's a once per minute thing i would take it shields i like i feel are so potent in the game currently and like finnax just has an item i i'm over it like i had someone who means like mid and jungle like very high kill potential roles it's so frustrating like comboing into somebody and then they get a whole secondary health bar and it's just like oh you know that was that you did because it's like you don't do anything for it you built the item and that's it then you just have that like chunk of health that you can rely on on for that it's super tilted everybody's gravestone everybody's gravestone with these fucking items you're like you're like fucking dead why are we playing these games right now and they're just like fanatics and you know they have the lifesteal stacking so they just shoot you a couple times with the shield and now when you're ganking someone they are gaining health get out of here man get out of here you got it you got to you got to burn their blink and then you got to burn fanatics and it's like that's two things you got to burn on an adc before i need them to be more vulnerable than what they actually are like especially considering like some of the adcs already have good peels like burdock has self peel twin blast has maneuverability sparrow has a movement speed buff now that's actually really solid it's like okay sure whatever and already in the game considering there isn't a real you know auto attack penalty or at least it doesn't feel like there's a real auto attack penalty carriers are just adcs are just so maneuverable in the game and then you finally you get their blink you get past their self peel and you're like now you die and they're like oops i have fanatics built got them and it's just like oh god it's all tilted and that's my tirade for this week guys and now and now over prime fixed all of that we don't have to worry about who's going to get bent wukong's gonna get bent twice yeah i what's his kid adc hater i'm very nervous about his addition wukong is gonna get bad twice each team is gonna ban information no one gets him i'm uh i'm very nervous about his intro game i will say uh philippine conclaves you are correct morguech poison damage should be the counter the game needs to counter shields rise up morguech fans one day range rule here yeah right now you have to take spears teardrop if you want to and hope that that finishes them all yeah and like you said aside from counters every mid laner should be taking it at least oh man dude it's this potent it's a good time over i i will i will say despite the little tirade i still am enjoying the way that the game is being played um i am dying but um outside of that uh the game's still been like so much fun and it's been even more fun because i've been getting tutored recently by a high level player and it has been awesome the things i've learned the aw dude it's just i'm just like rapidly trying to absorb information to make myself a better player and get as far as away from these bronze players as possible because they infuriate me at times because ah geez it's some of these some of these things i've heard are just absolute insanity to me it's so crazy so taboo based off of low you're saying about wukong wukong's abilities being the original og yeah he's gonna he's gonna be troubled whether you want to do objectives or you want to take towers yeah definitely trouble i'd say wukong equals trouble eggy equals chaos annoyance chaos i think the first two months for me are gonna be hell on Paragon the Overpriced and then and then you're gonna have hated heroes macro or whatever that little rodent girl's name is girl rodent whatever i think that's gonna be an exciting one we still can't say if that uh anything about that character because we don't know them yet um i just hope you know people actually play as support and not like try to take him as no i'm just gonna go in the mid lane with them or like off lane or something he's meant to be a support damage support i want to see him there just like all the other characters i want to see them where they belong you know i'm all about trying heroes in different roles and cross playing like that but you know i i want to see a real um i want to see that macro and and support action i've heard a lot of people say oh we're gonna troll with him so hard i just don't know yet how you know how we control with him yeah since we don't know anything about their kit but i'm pretty excited for that so when wukong drops i give it the first five hours before raven gets a pentakill i don't think i think raven has to be right i give raven the first five hours before he gets a pentakill i mean his pentacles are gonna shut down though if there's a wukong he i don't think he'll get a quadra and then he'll stop if there's a wukong on the enemy team he'll get a quadra then he'll look to the sky and see the monkey running across first overprime player that's gonna get a double pentakill on wukong a double he's gonna he's gonna kill the team and then wukong's clones all that one a deca kill um deca kill he's gonna kill the team then turn around to his team and be like not enough now unfortunately this week uh we didn't have uh enough submissions to do the pop five plays if you guys do have some really good overprime plays that you want to submit the link is still down there in the description it's a google form very easy to fill out just finish your stuff and then and i want to add to that so nobody wants to 1v1 nobody you guys are all friendly right i go into those casual matches and these people are like you know talking to each other back and forth in the chat and then suddenly you funnel down 1v1 mean a custom match i'm like here i'm right here i think if you uh if you guys are still down to 1v1 anybody definitely that's still up in the air you know we'll highlight the match we'll all be there with you guys we'll spectate it and we'll give you guys a highlight here uh people can watch it you know comment to it um it's still in mangoose's um community post um you can follow there for more information on how to get into that yeah by the way you guys can let any one of us know about about the 1v1 just just pick somebody let's pick a discord and then there's a steam gift card waiting for you guys raven is actually picking a random jungle manian is still getting pentakills listen guys i know some of you in chat want to 1v1 this face and i'll tell you what i am 100 percent ready for the competition as soon as i get over this flu and seriously i'll take any of you on by any of you i mean not reaper and raven currently but you know i'll catch you guys in a little bit but yeah no i think it would be super cool to interact with the community in that way and see your guys's you know excuses 1v1 murals admit i mean we can we can set it to rest right here raven said live stream me and taboo right now i mean after we close this down i would be more than happy to record the two of you uh going 1v1 that we can uh we we can post the highlights on the next up hop by the way raven this is going to be king of the hill style so if either one of you win you stay for the following week yep you're gonna stay until somebody shuts you down raven well wait wait wait why are we saying that raven's gonna win maybe taboo's gonna win we don't know either one of you i didn't say raven stop picking sides i said if either one of you wins you stay you taboo i believe in your chair taboo take him down dude listen he can kill five people but there's only one of you and you're worth six so let's let's get it taboo hey hey we'll come set it up yeah okay i said you guys don't know the rules you guys cannot leave mid lane it's either the first to five kills or the first to take the enemy team's tower t1 tower i'll go back to rampage rocked oh there it is there it is all right um let the shit talking begin there's the ego that's what i like to see let's uh let's start wrapping it up for for the for this week uh ego any final thoughts and where can everybody find you you got the plug hey man uh do you guys know where you can find me you can find me on twitch because i'll i am streaming more i need to save more of the vods but you can find me on twitch under the ego is with two ease it'll be a fun time i love playing with the community that means you guys more than anything else so hit me up at me on discord if you guys don't you can find me through any of these awesome people right here but speaking of awesome people look at the segue low where can they find you they can't hear you low you can find me nirana on youtube um it's literally nirana and you can find me also on twitch on nir underscore ono i haven't been as much active with live streaming recently on twitch but i have been more active slowly shifting into the youtube arena here um you know but um definitely you can find me there always on the pop show every friday would be a possibility of shifting things into a saturday of a podcast but we're not sure yet we'll keep you guys updated and again guys feel free to use the code and mangus's um description for um your clips there we'd love to have them we'd love to show you off we'd love to shout you out just like son says there's a steam gift card waiting for the winner you know we all vote the whole community gets to vote on whose clip was the best and definitely on this on the other event that we have going on right now is the one v one we got our first two contestants last week was mangus versus reaper and mangus guys ass whipped and then now we have raven up against taboo so we're gonna be live spectating that shortly here okay okay it wasn't an ass whooping okay that yeah it was let's put up a fight yes it was it was a fun ass whooping some gentle pats of the buttocks but but he tried it was only he can tell us if it was gentle or not okay it just went to the scorecards uh start you got anything to plug stunt yeah stunt underscore v for youtube and twitch guys you'll catch us in discord if you guys want to run games just just let us know like they said either one of us just let us know we'll jump in and uh we'll get some games in with you guys all right and uh as for me uh for stuff to plug uh neurona and i are actually starting a new project together uh called moba academy where we're going to be doing uh little little youtube shorts um and probably tick talks to just about very small um bite-sized pieces of information that'll help you get a little bit better and over prime stuff like um some like the the the one i did today was that um that uh neurona is going to be working on his tips on how to take the uh the mini prime out of position it a little bit better then there'll be tips on how to use it stuff like that how to set how to set ways where to ward um you know how many wards you could put down just a lot of little tidbits of information that should be good for the community but um yeah other than that uh for the minions i do that every sunday where i'll talk about all the games predecessor uh paragon the over prime and ethereal it's going to be a pretty damn big uh episode this sunday because we i've been sick and then there was christmas and we just we haven't done one in two weeks so this will be the first one three weeks and raven is going to be joining us for that one as well so uh yeah that is going to wrap it up for this week though thank you everybody that has stuck it out in the in the live and uh thank you to everybody that's watching this as the video upload later let's get some maggies in the chat but uh for now this is the paragon the over prime partner signing off you guys have a good one


So let's learn this song so far away by the band avenge sevenfold So it's a bit weird that I'm teaching you on the piano because there isn't a piano in the song. It's very heavy distortion guitar, but yeah, it's a nice song and I don't play guitar so it's I'm gonna share the song on the piano and if you're a keyboardist you could You could play it and have some fun perhaps not on a piano patch But on a synth patch or some heavy organ patch If you're a guitar player, you can watch this one to learn the chords and make sure you're playing the right chords And a lot of the chords I tell you will be power chords in the sense I may write E minor and Show you E minor here But actually the guitar player in the song at least one of the guitar players in the song is playing like a very deep Power chord so power chord is built using the root the fifth and you double it double the root with an octave Now the reason why power chord sound so powerful one one reason is it's played Down below the sound is definitely a lot heavier and If you were to play things like minor chords or major chords down below It's going to make the sound very cluttered or very muddy Which is why power chords work in a rock band or in a heavy in a metal band or in a progressive band, right? So you could play the normal major or the minor chords, but try to play that on the higher registers Somewhere here on the piano. We try to play it around middle C And if you're playing power chords Try to play it in the lower registers Anyway, so I'm just going to go through all the chord progressions as you can see there's a verse There's a pre chorus and a chorus so these three things are the core of the first What do you say the first maybe three minutes of the song, right? And then it loops and after that the song goes Really crazy it goes to a bridge where you have E major and a lot of other things going on You have chords which are even out of the scale which I'll talk about and then you have a really amazing outro So he doesn't really come back to the chorus part. He goes to the To all sorts of parts in the bridge However, after the bridge is over, you'll also have a guitar solo and you have two really amazing guitar solos Which you guys could check out if any of you want we can perhaps transcribe that in another video And you can learn a bit more from it. However in this video, we're just going to go through the chords and the basic rhythm structure right, so let's start with the verse Which is a very droney kind of sound the song is on E minor and borrows the chords from the parent scale Which is G major scale so you go So that's E minor and then E minor with an add to so an add to meaning It makes it very I don't know Pink Floyd ish a lot of Pink Floyd songs have that sort of sound a lot of progressive bands also have that dream theater and and the like Okay, so that's the same old E minor But you need to figure out a way to add the two the two from E is F sharp right the major second not Not the minor to that's gonna sound very very dissonant Again, oh, sorry the first one is normally minor And G He does an interesting accent there with the drummer on B minor and see where you go one and two and three and four That's B minor C Okay, let me show you that So that's G major and D major played together in the time of four beats, so that's two counts for G Na na na two counts for D and then B minor going to C is in this interesting rhythm Which I've notated here one and two one and two and three and hold So on Let's just do the whole verse and it repeats into two then goes to the pre chorus Which is really simple C and D which sort of builds up the excitement to the chorus One more time E minor E minor add to G D B minor C and then the pre chorus C major D major and chorus E minor A minor E minor D major that's a quick change then line one and line two you have E minor going to D all in the span of one bar Let's try line one of chorus Na na na na A minor ends with so it's pretty much the same cause as you can see for both lines E minor E minor G G A minor E minor just here instead of E minor D at the second line we go to C and D So it's pretty much the same progression So there's also a nice rhythm pattern which I've written down which you guys could play that is One E and a two E and a three E and a four E Okay, so that's one E and a two E and a three E and a okay Sounds a bit weird, but that's pretty much how the chords are played and once you hear it, it'll sound quite natural If you're not getting that you can perhaps just do and so on So I also it may be tough for you to get this Three E and a so what I will do is move it to the four that'll be a lot more playable Right, so that's one E and a two E and a three E and a four E and all you can even do it at the end One E and a two E and a three E Right, well, it's nicer. I think to put it on four you can decide so the it the guitarist sort of Shows you these accents doesn't play it exactly this way, but it's a rhythm pattern you could try out So let's try the chorus again Root notes in the left a minor E minor D Again A minor C D A minor and now this when you repeat Post the bridge post this part it goes back to this part when it goes back to chorus number three You need to repeat this phrase which I've put in the brackets. That's a minor C and D repeated once more Okay, so now let's go to the Exciting bridge section of the song which follows where and a guitar solo follows that So you have the same chords here for the bridge and the and the solo so you have E major No So you would normally be inclined towards playing E minor, but E major obviously makes it sound very epic And that's the vibe in a in a progressive song You'll have these non-diatonic chords which are always used, right? So let's see how that sounds C major A minor G D with F sharp See And then you'll also have a guitar solo following this on the same chords And then it goes back to the chorus and after that chorus is over We have an outro which is quite an elaborate long outro It's not something like a one bar thing. It's an entire chord progression, which is very different. So you go And every chord as I've written here is two beats each it's quick changes and this one's really fast A minor for two G for one and then D with F sharp bass for one. So let's go through this This is that guitar solo E minor D A minor So the chords are almost following the guitar solo if you look at it So try to go listen to the melody and try to sing them hum the melody of the guitar solo It's not like a show-off guitar solo where he's playing like a million notes per second He's he's playing a very singable tune which is probably as catchy or even more catchy or than even the vocal tune Right, so try to follow the guitarist and the chord shift fast and at the very end of the song He says so far away really really high and that's where you go E minor D major C major and stay So Stay on C Repeat that and then hold it with the last chord at the ending. Yeah, so it's quite an elaborate chord structure But playing it wise. It's not very technically challenging try to find a rhythm which is comfortable for you and Repeat that same rhythm throughout the song first and then see if you want to add something The first thing you need to do is to get the chords right, right? So try to isolate each chord from each progression and practice each progression in a sequence and then Do the next one and the next one and then try looping it and always try humming the melody line Even if you don't know the lyrics, which I never know Try to hum the melody line and that will really help you to Play for the song more and not play in your own shell, right? So hope you found that lesson useful catch you in the next one. Cheers Don't forget to like subscribe hit that bell icon for notifications leave us a comment for any other video you'd like us to do next and Don't forget to share the video with all your musician friends. Cheers


Well, hello there. I'm Sandy Olnock. Welcome to my YouTube channel where today we're going to the Smithsonian to the Natural History Museum where I was drawing dinosaur bones They have fossil haul which is really cool full of big giant dinosaurs as you see And I took a sketchbook and a pencil and a pen and was working on some drawings lots of children were there and Came by to see what I was doing and I taught some drawing techniques that I thought I would share with you here on YouTube If you're one of the kids that came by make sure you leave a comment and say hello I'd love to say hello back to you and There are things other than dinosaurs in the museum. You can see there's a big Brown bear there. There's also an elephant in the foyer as you come in. So let's do some drawing shall we? the giant T-rex in the fossil haul is Munching down on a triceratops It's laying on the ground and I decided that I was going to draw these toes I thought they would be kind of fun to do and a more limited thing to draw rather than a full dinosaur because I am visiting family I'm drawing in the bedroom that I'm staying at in my sister's house and Yeah, so I don't really have my normal video set up So we're trying our best here to get you some drawing ideas So what I was showing the kids is first I draw very loosely in pencil and I look for the big shapes So I'm looking for the shape of the toes the whole hand or foot or whatever it is and then break that into smaller shapes So there's you know like a couple of rectangles that make each one of the fingers or the toes And I look for what direction they go and what kind of space is in between them I'm not really worried about getting everything perfect at this stage. Just looking for some loose pencil lines And then I can start in with my pen now each one of these sketches that I showed you at the beginning Was done really quickly. They were like 15 or 20 minutes I didn't want to spend a lot of time because usually I was standing and holding my sketchbook and Not really sitting down in a relaxed situation. It's a lot easier to draw when you're in a relaxed situation But once I start in with the pen I can start putting detail in so I'm looking at more of the smaller Specific shapes within each of the toes So there's some toes that have horizontal bands in them Or they have kind of a curvy shape on one side or the other these bones The top part of each of the toes is kind of an hourglass or you could think of it Like an apple that you've been biting around the middle and it gets skinnier in the middle So look for shapes of things and draw them next to each other And you can see how high up one shape starts next to the other shape next to it And that gives you kind of the basis for a quick sketch This is not going to be anatomically correct or anything, but it's going to be close It's going to look like a dinosaur foot Now when I was doing this portion in the museum, I I usually would talk to kids about what I was doing or how I was thinking about it Because a lot of kids would come by and they'd see part of the drawing They'd say how did you do that and I would start on a new part of the drawing so I could show them how to do the shapes And what I realized is it would be really fun to do some drawing with the kids So what I ended up doing as I worked my way through all those sketches Was to invite some of the kids if they looked like they were really interested in art I invited them to join me in the drawing And so I would get the main part of the drawing done and then I would use this eraser It's called a kneaded eraser K-N-E-A-D-E-D like you need bread and I erased some of those pencil lines so I can then focus on the pen lines And I would put in some of the main details and then I would let the kids help Putting in the shading because that's the part that seemed to fascinate a lot of the kids So I would just kind of put that in now for those who watch my channel all the time and are wondering I am still at my mom's I was supposed to be home by now but mom has not been doing well and we are Just kind of waiting to see what's gonna happen mom didn't want me to leave. She wanted me to stay and So I extended my trip.  So I am still here with my my mom And if you want more information, maybe I'll update the blog post or something with a little more detail about what's going on But let's get back to dinosaurs because now we're on to the shading portion And this is where I had kids help me I would show them how to do these parallel lines and the parallel lines are called hatching It's a technique artists have used for centuries. Now hatching is just making lines And what I like to do with my drawings is kind of keep most of the lines going the same direction So it sort of brings some unity to the whole drawing, but you can make them go any direction you want There's sometimes that I use Heavier pressure and I push harder and that gives me a thicker line Or I put the lines closer together and that gives me a darker value or a darker color And here when I'm going to put a dark space in between the toes I can make the lines really close together and then the toes start to separate from each other But then when I get into an area where there's light hitting the toes I don't want as many lines on it. I want less lines or I want them further apart or use lighter pressure and So what I had some of the kids do is to try you know, one of the toes or one of the bones I had drawn and Just put some lines in and see if they could make a light value and a dark value Because a light value has light shining on it and a dark value is in shadow And that starts to give your drawing some realism and some depth. It looks like it's touchable It's rounded and you have different different shapes that have light hitting them And that's what we had a lot of fun with a lot of the kids worked on the bear So if you worked on the bear make sure you comment that you worked on the bear with me and for those who worked on the elephant Make sure you comment because I did a little bit of the drawing With kids helping out on the dinosaurs But I did a bunch of it with a lot more kids doing the other animals because I was sitting down and Everybody could get to my sketchbook easier, but when I was drawing the dinosaurs There's not a lot of places to sit where kids could come and really see what I was doing and look over my shoulder or anything So that wasn't as easy to do But you can do this from Dinosaurs in a museum in your town wherever you live if you go visit Washington DC You can go draw in the dinosaur hall or the they call it the fossil hall It has all these fossils in it the museum also has a whole area all about oceans and there's things about the evolution of man going from You know all throughout the centuries and centuries of time There is so much to learn and there's a lot of great information for kids of all ages So I highly recommend the natural history museum I used to go there as a kid all the time Because I lived nearby and we had lots of school field trips that went there And on the day that I went this year It was very crowded with school kids because it was just before Easter and lots and lots of kids came Some of it was family. Some of it was classes, but it's a whole lot of fun So on this top part There is more light, but there's also these shapes that you can see in that top bone And what I'm doing is making shapes out of my blocks of lines So just because you're making lines doesn't mean it can't have a shape to it It's just a matter of thinking through where you're putting the lines and when I want to put not as dark color I go over the lines that are already there, but with the lines spread out more far apart So that I get some dark shadows and some less dark shadows But always making sure I pay attention where I want to keep some bright light hitting the drawing Because that bright light area will be white paper A drawing like this could be finished later on at home if you want to add some color to it Colored pencil or some watercolors or markers And then you'd have a finished drawing in color, but you don't have to take the color with you to the museum So if you decide to try it, please do email me a picture of your Dinosaur Toe drawings or you can have your parents post them on social media and tag me because I'd love to see what you draw Thanks for visiting my channel. I will see you guys another time. Bye. Bye